#rockbox 2005-03-12

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#rockbox log for 2005-03-12

00:00:06	Rick	what is up?
00:00:07	rasher	you add it to the playlist
00:00:09	preglow	how do i play? gmpc doesn't list anything anywhere
00:00:19	preglow	the playlist is very nonfunctional, all buttons are grayed out
00:00:21	rasher	Rick: mpd
00:00:27	rasher	preglow: hang on
00:00:32	*	Rick wonders what mpd is
00:00:38	rasher	musicpd.org
00:00:42	preglow	i've started mpd, i've added symlinks to /usr/share/mpd/music
00:01:02	rasher	try going into the configuration and tell it to rebuild its database
00:01:08	preglow	you recommended it, it's up to you to help me :P
00:01:26	preglow	never mind me, man, i thought it autoconnected
00:01:30	rasher	aah
00:01:35	rasher	it can
00:02:26	preglow	still doesn't list anything, though
00:02:42	rasher	can you press the add button?
00:03:27	rasher	actually, what doesn't list anything? Playlist or Song Browser?
00:03:37	preglow	playlist
00:03:45	preglow	bith
00:03:47	preglow	both <-
00:03:53	preglow	woop
00:03:55	preglow	there it ame
00:03:56	preglow	came <-
00:04:01	rasher	hurray
00:04:01	preglow	goddamn, butterfingers
00:04:42	rasher	so it's working now?
00:04:51	preglow	ok, so now i press play and it's supposed to make sound?
00:04:54	preglow	i've got one track in the playlist
00:05:21	rasher	does it appear to be playing?
00:05:23	preglow	no
00:05:33	preglow	not in the least
00:05:43	rasher	weird
00:05:52	rasher	uh.. and you have a song in the playlist?
00:05:57	preglow	yes
00:06:00	preglow	i can list metadata
00:06:13	rasher	and "play" does nothing?
00:06:16	preglow	rhythmbox works, so i have sound
00:06:18	preglow	play does nothing
00:06:24	rasher	hm...
00:06:41	preglow	hmm, hang on, i think i've got a charset issue
00:06:47	rasher	try 'mpc status' in a console
00:07:56	preglow	i've got charset issues
00:08:06	preglow	i'm playing off of ntfs, and the driver vomits on cp437 conversion
00:08:12	rasher	ah
00:08:17	preglow	god knows why it's converting to/from cp437
00:08:32	rasher	god knows why you're playing off of ntfs
00:08:36	rasher	sounds dirty
00:08:42	preglow	i usually use windows
00:08:47	rasher	ah
00:08:56	rasher	fair enough
00:09:40	rasher	are you playing from ntfs with rhythmbox as well?
00:09:41	preglow	i fiddle around with sound a lot, and linux sucks shit in that area
00:10:19	rasher	ah, I wouldn't know..
00:10:30	preglow	i can get sound working, but that's that
00:10:40	preglow	the mixer is a nightmare, the best audio editor you have is audacity, which is shit
00:10:54	rasher	audacity is indeed a crime
00:10:56	preglow	you have clipping issues
00:11:13	preglow	i need to adjust volume to 80% to avoid clipping
00:11:36	rasher	could also be a driver issue
00:11:37	preglow	alsa is a step in the right direction, though
00:11:43	preglow	it is a driver issue, but a very common one
00:11:49	rasher	excellent
00:13:14	webmind	print $_
00:13:49	rasher	$_ :(
00:14:00	rasher	$_ is pure evil
00:15:54	preglow	AGHRGH
00:16:02	preglow	i will KILL this piece of shit
00:17:25	preglow	it wont play local files
00:17:36	preglow	so the charset issue is not what's wrong
00:18:09	rasher	weeeeeird
00:18:16	rasher	did you reload the database?
00:18:16	preglow	who the hell needs an audio server?
00:18:19	preglow	i don't see the point
00:18:21	preglow	yes
00:18:28	preglow	it's listed, so it must have reloaded
00:18:58	rasher	well 1) I like to be able to control the sound from another computer 2) it keeps playing while I restart X 3) it resumes playing after reboot
00:19:24	preglow	fair enough
00:19:30	rasher	but as I said, it is a pretty strange idea, and some people just don't like it
00:19:45	preglow	it's not quite as stupid as videolan idea, but close
00:20:13	preglow	i might have liked it, had it actually worked
00:20:18	rasher	Heh
00:20:27	rasher	what did 'mpc status' say?
00:23:50	preglow	mpd status, you mean?
00:24:05	preglow	problems opening file statuc for reading
00:24:13	preglow	"mpc" doesn't exist
00:24:23	rasher	oh right, that's in a seperate package
00:24:29	rasher	problems opening file status...
00:24:30	rasher	hrm
00:24:32	rasher	hang on
00:24:44	rasher	oh, I get the same here :-S
00:24:53	rasher	probably not it then, irrelevant
00:24:59	rasher	s/, irrelevant/
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00:28:42	preglow	xmms started again, so i'm afraid i'll go the apt-get remove −−purge route
00:28:47	preglow	it's shit, but it works
00:28:50	rasher	heh
00:30:19	rasher	the "HOLD switch on, power off..." message sure is brief
00:30:23	HCl	yup.
00:31:13	rasher	hrm, it's probably a real problem that we can't read the buttons fast enough
00:31:23	rasher	a short tap on play turns on the device even with hold on
00:31:46	HCl	it does?
00:31:54	rasher	yup
00:32:00	*	HCl goes to test
00:32:59	Quel\|Dinner	time to go
00:33:00	Quel\|Dinner	cu1�
00:33:05		Part Quel\|Dinner ("So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!")
00:33:24	rasher	another douglas-adams fans
00:33:29	HCl	gee
00:33:30	HCl	you're right
00:33:30	rasher	fan.
00:33:55	HCl	but thats a flaw in the bootloader, isn't it?
00:34:03	HCl	shouldn't it check the hold button regardless of what was used to turn it on?
00:34:16	rasher	but which hold button should it check?
00:34:31	HCl	both?
00:34:49	rasher	yeah but which should it react to?
00:34:57	HCl	what do you mean?
00:35:03	HCl	if either of the hold buttons is on, it shouldn't turn on
00:35:08	rasher	Wrong
00:35:13	HCl	?
00:35:25	rasher	if the main unit hold button is on and I use the remote to turn on the device, I want it to come up
00:35:55	rasher	this way I can leave the unit in my pocket, with hold on, and still use the remote to turn on the device
00:36:05	rasher	plus it "Makes Sense" that way
00:36:13	rasher	it's also how the iRiver firmware works
00:36:17	preglow	of course it does
00:36:20	preglow	it has to be that way
00:36:27	preglow	if not, you'd have to always have hold off on the unit itself
00:36:37	preglow	and that does not make sense when you've got it in your pocket
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00:36:45	rasher	Indeed
00:37:16	rasher	I wonder how iriver does this
00:37:20	preglow	like that
00:37:32	rasher	well how they manage to read the button status
00:37:33	HCl	hrm...
00:37:46	rasher	fast enough to react to the right hold switch
00:38:14	preglow	ahh
00:38:25	HCl	i don't know.
00:39:00	rasher	I guess this is a question for linus
00:39:27	Soul_Eater	preglow- read is CHAR. and if I shouldnt use strtok, what should I use?
00:39:37	preglow	code it yourself
00:39:49	preglow	i know read is CHAR, i just wanted to now what type CHAR is
00:39:56	HCl	maybe its the sleep?
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00:40:20	rasher	it definetely is
00:40:21	Soul_Eater	type?
00:41:21	HCl	either way, i'm waiting for linus to add usb support to the bootloader
00:41:31	HCl	that would be great, and allow recovery no matter what you do to it
00:41:52	rasher	hrm
00:42:01	thegeek_	does anyone know if the bootloader/bootinjecter works with the new firmware?
00:42:07	rasher	you'd still need a way to stuff things in firmware
00:42:13	HCl	thegeek_: hasn't been tested.
00:42:17	thegeek_	kk;)
00:42:27	thegeek_	guess that is a job for linus;)
00:42:39	HCl	or for brave people.
00:42:43	thegeek_	;)
00:42:51	rasher	s/brave/stupid/
00:42:53	thegeek_	brave/insane
00:42:54	thegeek_	;)
00:43:00	thegeek_	hehe
00:43:08	HCl	mmm, wasn't it you who flashed the first bootloader when nobody else but linus tested it yet, rasher?
00:43:15	thegeek_	hehe
00:43:17	*	rasher looks the other way
00:43:50	rasher	I wasn't really thinking :)
00:43:50	HCl	:P
00:44:33	preglow	no
00:44:38	preglow	it was dmcj
00:44:42	preglow	according to the logs
00:44:47	rasher	oh, did you mean at first?
00:44:50	rasher	then no, not me
00:44:54	HCl	oh, ok :)
00:45:10	preglow	we all sat squirming around like little girls with our players
00:45:15	HCl	xD
00:45:16	HCl	yes.
00:45:17	preglow	then he jumped in, flashed, declared it a success
00:45:19	rasher	I flashed with a cvs version a couple of days ago when nobody had built a bootloader for a while
00:45:25	preglow	and then i flashed mine, and nearly cried
00:45:28	HCl	and i remember all the h120 people going "ohno! i bricked it!"
00:45:38	HCl	because they had to recalc fsinfo and didn't know :p
00:45:41	preglow	haha, yes
00:45:47	rasher	well it wasn't bricked
00:45:51	preglow	indeed, no
00:45:53	preglow	but it seemed like it
00:46:00	rasher	the first 10 seconds did
00:46:04	preglow	no
00:46:05	preglow	several minutes
00:46:12	preglow	mine fscalced for about four minutes
00:46:15	rasher	yeah but, reset worked and brought up iriver firmware
00:46:20	preglow	ahh, yes
00:46:34	HCl	:p
00:46:38	rasher	the cookie magic did its job very well
00:46:41	preglow	but i was the second to flash it, so i was quick to conclude that my player was destroyed
00:46:44	preglow	heh
00:46:46	preglow	yup
00:46:48	*	HCl grins :)
00:47:32	rasher	so rockbox is up to 9 languages now
00:48:03	HCl	i only flashed it after someone with an h140 confirmed it working
00:48:05	amiconn	rasher: Your language 'hitlist' looks good
00:48:20	thegeek_	argh, I want my iriver back;)
00:48:21	HCl	i always hate flashing
00:48:22	rasher	I have the script tagged onto the end of the ifle now
00:48:25	thegeek_	slow ass repair shit
00:48:27	HCl	regardless of what i'm flashing
00:48:30	rasher	rasher/langstatus.txt">http://zork.net/~rasher/langstatus.txt
00:48:35	HCl	i think i'm only safe with flashing my pda
00:48:39	rasher	it's fairly crude
00:48:42	HCl	because it can be easily recovered from a bad flash
00:49:15	Camilo	iPods are fairly safe to flash
00:49:22	preglow	sweet zombie jesus, bash scripts are so ugly
00:49:32	rasher	Quiet you
00:49:40	Camilo	preglow, time to move to a real language then
00:49:52	preglow	Camilo: well, i did recommend him perl more than one time
00:50:00	Camilo	I do perl
00:50:05	preglow	all Men do perl
00:50:15	*	preglow cuddles perl
00:50:39	rasher	the equivalent perl script would have been far worse!
00:50:47	preglow	and two lines
00:50:49	Camilo	no way rasher
00:51:06	rasher	no way, it'd include horrible www client stuff
00:51:55	rasher	but feel free to rewrite it, the logic is in the awk script and should translate pretty easily to perl
00:53:05	preglow	www client stuff in perl = easy
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00:53:25	preglow	can call wget just as easily from that in any case
00:53:27	preglow	but anywho
00:53:36	rasher	ew
00:53:44	rasher	I hate calling outside programs
00:53:52	preglow	in perl it's easy
00:53:55	rasher	except in shell, because well.. that's what you do there
00:54:00	preglow	`wget blabla`;
00:54:09	rasher	but it's ... dirty
00:54:17	preglow	not really, it's a part of the language
00:54:22	Camilo	preglow, thought you were wgetting labia for a second there
00:54:25	preglow	you can even capture the output just like in a shell script
00:54:44	preglow	Camilo: hahahah, i don't think wget can do that
00:54:55	Camilo	if only, eh
00:54:56	rasher	I know this, it just irks me to do it
00:55:38	rasher	I'd rather use lwp to download a file than call wget
00:55:54	preglow	i wouldn't, not in a fast job like that
00:56:10	rasher	I guess I have an irrational fear of calling something external
00:58:06	*	rasher ponders a web-interface to translating
00:58:24	preglow	codec api!!!!!11!!11!11oneone
00:58:35	rasher	probably too much work for too little gain
00:58:42	rasher	preglow: ?
00:58:47	preglow	work on that :)
00:59:12	rasher	You must be mistaking me for someone with a clue
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01:01:46	rasher	you go work on it
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01:20:04	rasher	I added a table on the HowtoUpdateLangfile wikipage
01:20:10	rasher	with current status
01:21:20	rasher	with a little luck it'll encourage someone to fix a language
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01:57:36	rasher	hee
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02:01:23	preglow	showed my flatmate rockboy yesterday
02:01:28	preglow	he nearly crapped his pants laughing
02:03:28	rasher	haha
02:09:06	rasher	how's the optimizing coming along?
02:10:55	preglow	slow
02:11:04	preglow	just imdct_l left in libmad
02:11:08	preglow	but that's big
02:11:20	preglow	that is, i've done it, but it didn't turn out very elegant
02:11:26	preglow	so i'll have to do it again
02:12:13	rasher	well that's still pretty great progress
02:12:57	rasher	now if only a codecapi appeared...
02:14:45	preglow	great and great
02:14:58	preglow	it's adequate, but i haven't got much time to work on it right now
02:15:30	preglow	but yes, it's not like it's going to have to make sound any time soon, so i'm in no rush
02:15:59	rasher	well isn't it "ready" already?
02:16:52	preglow	as in how?
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02:17:13	rasher	in that it runs at >100%
02:17:19	preglow	sure, it's well above that
02:17:28	preglow	it's above 200% for some files
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02:19:11	rasher	is there much else left, except optimizing and hooking it up to the codecapi?
02:19:26	preglow	nah
02:19:38	preglow	optimizing and more optimizing
02:19:47	rasher	:-)
02:20:08	preglow	libmad can take loads more optimizing, i guess, i've just picked out the obvious routines
02:20:25	preglow	then there's libflac, which i don't think i'll touch too much more
02:20:34	preglow	and then i plan to unleash my mighty powers on tremor
02:22:07	preglow	once it starts making sound, i plan to start coding dsp stuff
02:22:37	preglow	like an equalizer and some other stuff
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02:22:59	rasher	fun
02:23:02	preglow	deed
02:23:09	preglow	that was what i originally wanted to do
02:23:16	preglow	i don't quite remember how i ended up optimizing codecs
02:23:16	preglow	haha
02:24:39	XShocK	how is the progress with sound framework?
02:25:20	preglow	there is none
02:25:58	preglow	linus is up to his armpits in real life and no one else seems to work on it
02:28:50	XShocK	very pitty
02:29:04	XShocK	since mostly evetything is done for it.
02:29:57	preglow	well, how does it work right now?
02:30:30	XShocK	no. i mean parts are done. codecs and low-levelstuff. but nothing in between them
02:31:11	preglow	ahh, yes
02:31:25	preglow	and i really have no idea how to tie it together
02:31:36	preglow	linuxstb and zagor said they'd look at the codec layer, but both vanished
02:34:50	rasher	'tis tragic
02:35:04	rasher	guess I might as well sleep now
02:35:07	rasher	night
02:35:10	preglow	yes, me as well
02:36:22	preglow	gnight
02:36:28	XShocK	good night
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07:04:51	Soul_Eater	sup fools
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08:11:27	Rick	;P
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09:21:15	kurzhaarrocker	Does anybody know wether the current build of rockbox for the recorder (v1) already has grown to exceed the max size for rombox?
09:21:43	amiconn	No. Rombox works just fine, even for the v2
09:22:07	kurzhaarrocker	darn. With triggered recording it _does_ exceed the limit :(
09:23:15	amiconn	So what did you do then!!? That means triggered recording adds >4 KByte of code
09:24:04	kurzhaarrocker	It's quite a bunch of menues and the trigger code is not as simple as you might think at first glance.
09:25:35	kurzhaarrocker	Output is 1868 bytes larger than max (192496)
09:26:59	amiconn	Huh? Thats 10 KB more than cvs!
09:27:20	kurzhaarrocker	That strikes me. It's not _that_ much code.
09:28:09	amiconn	Rombox for the v2 is really tight atm, ~380 bytes left. For the v1, ~9600 bytes are left
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09:29:45	amiconn	kurzhaarrocker: What gcc do you use? (sh-elf-gcc that is)?
09:29:56	webmind	shelf ?
09:30:23	kurzhaarrocker	v 3.0.4
09:31:09	amiconn	Ah, maybe this explains the huge difference
09:31:24	amiconn	Use 3.3.x
09:31:46	amiconn	It builds the most compact code. Both 3.0.x and 3.4.x are significantly worse
09:32:31	kurzhaarrocker	Maybe I'll upgrade somewhen but not now. For the moment I can live with builds that are too big for rombox.
09:36:52	amiconn	Using cygwin?
09:37:00	kurzhaarrocker	yes
09:38:10	amiconn	Then this upgrade should be easy. Eric Lassauge has sh-elf-gcc 3.3.5 availabe at his site, usable as a cygwin install mirror. Also Bluechip upgraded his devkit recently
09:39:29	kurzhaarrocker	Thanks for the hint
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10:26:51	T0mas	hi
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10:53:35	langhaarrocker	programming is easy - its cleaning the code and building the patch that always consumes so much time...
10:54:45	T0mas	:)
10:56:03	amiconn	I only partly agree
10:57:03	amiconn	Most of the time, getting the things working at all is the hard part. If you got them working, improving is much easier
10:57:28	langhaarrocker	yes, getting cvs diff to work was the hard part for today :)
10:59:02	amiconn	Really?
10:59:48	langhaarrocker	I originally checked out using tortoise cvs. That results all files in CVS directories have cr + lf. Unfortunately you can't make tortoise cvs diff with -b option. And command line cvs diff -ub doesn't like cr + lf in the CVS control files.
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11:01:29	amiconn	Another reason against using tortoise... I never used it; only know it from screenshots
11:02:02	langhaarrocker	You _can_ make tortoise cvs use lf only - but you have to tell it explicitly.
11:05:12	amiconn	I always use cvs diff -u only. Why would you need -b ?
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11:07:27	langhaarrocker	there were many line endings that had additional spaces at the end. Somehow they dissappeared in my source. But I don't want to make the diff unreadable because uncountable changes that I didn't really make.
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11:08:25	amiconn	Hmm, okay. I only encountered this for very few lines so far.
11:08:37	amiconn	My editor always cuts all trailing space
11:09:00	amiconn	hi jyp
11:09:12	jyp	hey
11:09:29	amiconn	Gmini 1xx/sp has a 2.5" hd, correct?
11:09:32	jyp	Bad things I've done again?
11:09:37	jyp	phew ;)
11:09:50	jyp	yes I believe so
11:10:05	jyp	but I'm no expert in those matters
11:10:18	amiconn	You don't have a gmini? ;)
11:10:42	jyp	I barely know how long an inch is :=)
11:11:11	amiconn	Hmm. The reason why I ask is that I am still puzzled about the display size.
11:11:45	amiconn	For the win32 simulator, I made the image roughly the same size as the archos recorders, because they also use 2.5" hds
11:12:32	amiconn	However, in order to do that, I had to scale up the lcd by a factor of 1.5
11:13:10	amiconn	That means the gmini lcd has significantly larger pixels than the recorder lcd
11:13:15	jyp	I don't really get your point...
11:13:22	jyp	connection between lcd & hd?
11:13:35	amiconn	Never tried the win32 sim?
11:14:03	amiconn	The win32 sims use a photo of the device front (plus side parts if there are buttons) as a background image
11:14:53	jyp	No, I'm not into win32 really ...
11:14:58	amiconn	Okay.
11:15:30	amiconn	So that's the connection - the backgroud pic is roughly the size of the hdd, and then the lcd is in correct scale
11:17:58	langhaarrocker	patch uploaded - lets see wether someone cares.
11:18:02	langhaarrocker	So long
11:18:08	jyp	ok, i see
11:19:05	jyp	If you want to compare sizes there's a pretty much exhaustive gallery here:
11:19:18	jyp	http://www.donat.org/archos/dissection.html
11:20:43	amiconn	Grr, thats The Bad Domain. Can't connect to it...
11:21:24	jyp	oh yeah...
11:21:42	jyp	I'm using the coral proxy :
11:21:59	jyp	donat.org.nyud.net:8090
11:22:19	jyp	hm, for some reason I can't access it either right now
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11:53:31	Cassandra	Anyone here know the songdb code?
11:54:19	Cassandra	I'm pondering the idea of using it to implement a "play a random track anywhere on the Jukebox" feature.
11:56:02	Cassandra	(I know you can do this with playlists, but this way generalises usefully - you can re-use the code to do "play random tracks by this artist/from this album etc.
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12:01:57	amiconn	Cassandra: I'm afraid the only one who really knows the songdb code is Zagor
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12:12:42	langhaarrocker	Hi. I'm convinced that I managed to build a tag database. Hitting F2 shows me an empty browser though. Where is the rockbox.id3db supposed to be so that rockbox finds it?
12:13:27	amiconn	Stick it in /.rockbox
12:13:54	langhaarrocker	that's where it is
12:14:17	langhaarrocker	Ah, seems a reboot of rockbox fixed it :)
12:14:29	amiconn	Cassandra: There would be one random mode that would be interesting (for me) and that's not available in rockbox yet, even with playlists: Randomly select an album and then play this album in sequence
12:16:07	langhaarrocker	Thanks for the help.
12:20:06	amiconn	(album == folder for me, so this mode wouldn't even require songdb)
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12:22:28	T0mas	Hm.. Anybody here know's the ipod notes format?
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13:13:00	[IDC]Dragon	hi guys!
13:13:15	amiconn	hi
13:13:35	[IDC]Dragon	hi amiconn, long not chatted
13:13:58	[IDC]Dragon	did you see my CeBIT appearance?
13:14:43	[IDC]Dragon	(me briefly popping in on thursday afternoon)
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13:15:59	amiconn	Read it in the logs
13:16:09	[IDC]Dragon	ok
13:16:42	[IDC]Dragon	so, I think we'll have it in a few
13:17:07	amiconn	You can always do a quick visit at CeBIT, unlike me...
13:17:28	[IDC]Dragon	a quick visit is EUR 37
13:17:43	amiconn	Yeah, but not several hours of travel
13:18:02	[IDC]Dragon	it takes me ~1 hour to get there
13:18:19	[IDC]Dragon	from Berlin, you may make it in 2
13:18:28	[IDC]Dragon	iirc
13:18:29	amiconn	Haha, good joke
13:18:57	[IDC]Dragon	if you live at bahnhof zoo ;-)
13:19:39	[IDC]Dragon	different subject: i removed the mmc panic
13:20:04	amiconn	Normally the ICE manages to get from Berlin to Hanover in ~2 hours, but then I first need to get to one of the 3 stations in Berlin where it departs, and after ~2 hours I'm at Hannover Hauptbahnhof. Still some time necessary to get south...
13:20:15	[IDC]Dragon	with bogus partition table, it's trying some wild mounts
13:20:23	amiconn	Yes, saw that
13:20:44	amiconn	You mentioned there are still problems though?
13:20:49	[IDC]Dragon	maybe this was trevors problem
13:21:32	amiconn	I don't think so... he reported a panic when trying to read sector 0... iirc
13:22:01	amiconn	Furthermore, when he deactivates multivolume and hotswap, it works
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13:23:23	[IDC]Dragon2	wlan dropouts
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13:27:10	amiconn	How many Dragons....
13:27:24	[IDC]Dragon3	too many
13:27:33	amiconn	There is one minor issue with your change - the error return value is ambiguous
13:27:49	[IDC]Dragon3	ah, ok, I didn't check for such
13:28:00	amiconn	at_mmc.c doesn't use the mutliply-by-10-and-add-own scheme
13:29:14	[IDC]Dragon3	yet
13:29:54	[IDC]Dragon3	did you contact trevor for a 0308?
13:29:58	amiconn	Imho this would be problematic. Instead I assigned an individual error value to each possible problem
13:30:11	amiconn	(raning from -1 to -13 so far iirc)
13:30:15	amiconn	*ranging
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13:30:36	[IDC]Dragon3	ok, so off limit could be -14
13:33:44	[IDC]Dragon3	correction: -15
13:33:53	[IDC]Dragon3	I'll commit it
13:35:12	[IDC]Dragon3	lunchtime
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13:43:38	T0mas	hm... I'm on winXP here... but how do I build the simulator?
13:43:42	T0mas	there are no doc's yet?
13:51:11	amiconn	You build it the same way as the target, using cygwin for doing this on windows. Simply select (S)imulator in configure, and the (W)in32 if you want the windows simulator
13:51:36	T0mas	Yeah tried that...
13:51:51	T0mas	screens.c:860: error: conflicting types for `set_time_screen'
13:51:51	T0mas	settings.h:323: error: previous declaration of `set_time_screen'
13:51:51	T0mas	make[1]: *** [/home/guest/rockbox-devel/build/screens.o] Error 1
13:53:24	T0mas	any suggestions?
13:53:24	amiconn	Huh? Hmm, I have no idea what may cause this. Works perfectly here. Unfortunately I have to go now...
13:53:39	T0mas	hm... I'll search the file..
13:55:50	amiconn	One suggestion though: try updating your cygwin installation (if it's really old, that is). Make sure you use a native gcc 3.3.x
13:56:03	amiconn	gcc -v should tell you
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14:00:10	T0mas	Yeah... I installed the Devkit for windows..
14:01:05	T0mas	hm... it looks like the new cvs build is working... not finished yet... but it's past the previous error...
14:07:25	T0mas	hm
14:07:30	T0mas	little error in the make install
14:07:43	T0mas	rockbox-devel/tools/buildzip.pl
14:07:47	T0mas	line 88 and 89
14:08:01	T0mas	opendir(DIR, "$ROOT/fonts") \|\| die "can't open dir fonts";
14:08:04	T0mas	should be:
14:08:06	T0mas	opendir(DIR, "$ROOT/firmware/fonts") \|\| die "can't open dir fonts";
14:08:11	T0mas	and 89:
14:08:19	T0mas	my @fonts = grep { /\.bdf$/ && -f "$ROOT/fonts/$_" } readdir(DIR);
14:08:23	T0mas	should be:
14:08:24	T0mas	my @fonts = grep { /\.bdf$/ && -f "$ROOT/firmware/fonts/$_" } readdir(DIR);
14:08:39	T0mas	so in both change $ROOT/fonts/$_ with $ROOT/firmware/fonts/$_
14:08:56	T0mas	maybe someone can verify it? and change it?
14:12:30	ashridah	hrm. fonts don't get checked out into firmware/
14:12:56	ashridah	(at least, i was told to check them out in the root.
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14:44:15	T0mas	ashridah: I did: cvs checkout rockbox-devel
14:44:29	T0mas	and they got into ./rockbox-devel/firmware/fonts
14:44:39	T0mas	so maybe the rockbox-devel checkout is wrong...
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16:18:01	preglow	does anyone know if we can distribute rockbox binaries containing an aac decoder legally?
16:18:44	rasher	we can't even distribute an mp3 decoder can we?
16:19:11	rasher	I mean, isn't the attitude basically that patent problems are more or less ignored?
16:19:22	rasher	because they're so DAMN STUPID
16:19:37	preglow	that depends
16:19:50	preglow	is the mp3 license iriver bought transfered with the player?
16:20:25	rasher	I'm guessing that the license is tied to the decoder
16:20:29	preglow	i also think frauenhofer have puclicly stated they will not charge for personal use
16:20:50	rasher	I think that was ages ago, and no longer stands, but I'm not sure
16:20:58	preglow	i don't think so
16:21:09	rasher	okay
16:21:14	preglow	but i'm not sure
16:21:29	preglow	what, so if they've got two separate decoders, they need to pay two fees?
16:21:44	rasher	heh, I don't know.. I'm guessing
16:25:04	rasher	it just seems "too easy" if you could just transfer the mp3 decoder license
16:25:35	rasher	the cynic in me tells me that it's not possible
16:28:43	preglow	sure, i know what i believe, but i prefer facts
16:28:51	preglow	especially if we ever plan on releasing it
16:30:17	rasher	I wonder how things like gstreamer (that plays aac doesn't it?) stand on this
16:30:28	rasher	well it plays mp3 anyway
16:38:08	_Lucretia_	how big is the compiled firmware at present?
16:38:32	rasher	you probably need to be more specific
16:38:39	rasher	which firmware, for which device?
16:38:47	_Lucretia_	ok, is it possible to get it down below a meg?
16:38:59	_Lucretia_	Well, I'm currently working with the Gmini guys
16:39:09	_Lucretia_	but for an unsupported target (MT-500)
16:39:34	*	_Lucretia_ was just wondering ;-)
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16:40:56	rasher	have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox
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16:46:36	preglow	below a meg should be very doable, if you drop some codecs
16:50:27	_Lucretia_	how many are there? Eventually, the only ones, I'm interested in are MP3 and OGG
16:51:37	preglow	right now, five
16:51:43	preglow	with more lined up
16:51:59	_Lucretia_	ah
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17:15:53	SirWA2	need a little help.
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17:16:26	SirWA2	my display is broke, but the system is in upsidedown mode
17:16:50	SirWA2	maybe someone can help me navigate to fix it?
17:23:56	rasher	which device?
17:26:15	SirWA2	jukebox recorder
17:32:09	rasher	can't help much, sorry.. I don't have that.. and no simulator here..
17:34:59	SirWA2	ow, simulator, what a great idee...didnt think of that..
17:35:01	SirWA2	tnx
17:35:17	rasher	:)
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17:46:43	SirWA2	duno about that
17:48:38	preglow	rasher: afraid you'll see cyborgs smashing your door in?
17:48:53	rasher	something like that, yes
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20:56:59	preglow	åæø
20:57:03	preglow	did i just spout utf8?
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21:09:44	rasher	preglow: looks like it in the dailylog
21:09:47	rasher	��
21:10:04	rasher	yup, you did
21:10:59	preglow	eeeexcellent
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21:53:52	HCl	ohno! its me! o.o.
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21:54:08	HCl	hi rasher :3
21:54:17	HCl	sup?
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22:20:51	HCl	cause we don't need any....
22:21:15	SirWA2	lol sure.
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23:09:41	Rick	oh, nevermind
23:09:42	Rick	lol
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