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#rockbox log for 2005-03-28

00:04:53XShocKmmmh.. i did something wrong.
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00:08:27XShocKsounds very good :)
00:09:18XShocKperfecto. but without screen update
00:10:09HClthink you can round your patch up and send it to me?
00:10:21HClnow its just a matter of getting it to go faster
00:10:40HCli'll merge it properly
00:11:34XShocKthe only thing is that we need to pause the game itself..
00:11:48HClyea, it stalls when you go to the rockbox menu
00:12:45 Quit Camilo ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Mozilla rv:1.8b2/20050309]")
00:12:47XShocKi meantion a bit different thing, but no matter, it is not a problem
00:12:58HCloh, ok
00:13:00HClwhat did you mean?
00:14:36XShocKnothing serious, it is ewsy to fix
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00:14:43XShocKdon't worry. :)
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00:16:06XShocKbtw i certainly think that current way of pausing the game until sound is played is not a good thing.
00:16:34XShocKit is normal for fast computers
00:16:52HClyea, i agree..
00:17:08HCli'm hoping the gnuboy developers are able to help out a bit
00:17:11HClthey're in #gnuboy...
00:18:23HClXShocK: can't we like, use dma to play sound and continue emulation
00:18:35XShocKi did like this.
00:18:36HCland only wait at the beginning of the pcm_submit function, if its not finished playing sound
00:18:46HCland use like, two buffers that we swap between
00:19:22XShocKi did very simmilar to what you say, and i wait when my own buffer( where DMA works in) is completely full.
00:19:25HClthen we don't have to wait, or did we get the whole waiting bit out already?
00:20:09XShocKbut the prblem here is that we can't make this buffer very larger because the game would be ahead of where sound is.
00:20:55HCli guess there's no way to directly write sound output to the dac?
00:21:00HClwhere it just plays whatever it gets
00:21:03XShocKi think the best way would be to change things a bit in rockboy.
00:21:56XShocKit cosunds very bad. :)
00:22:17HClmaking the buffer smaller only increases choppyness, i guess?
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00:23:07XShocKi think keeping sound buffer reasonably small, around 5 kb or so will be good.
00:23:13muesli_..oo000(i was disconnected 20mins ago)
00:24:21XShocKthe game would be approx. 0.1 seconds ahead of sound, which is not a problem i think
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00:33:01XShocKHCl: ok. i will clean everything, then make good patches and give it to you
00:33:12HClok :)
00:38:00XShocKi found a small bug.
00:38:03*HCl is gonna go sleep soonish.
00:38:23HClif its not too much trouble you might want to look at sample.wav not playing at not 120mhz..
00:38:26XShocKwhen processro is overclocked my changes to PLLCR are gone.
00:39:15XShocKi found where it fails to play it. but i cannot explain it
00:40:01XShocKit throws CE error in DMA interrupt. but why... i have no idea
00:40:05XShocKwill do it
00:43:41HClwait. i'm confused.
00:43:59HCldid you go to sleep or did you say it cause i'm gonna sleep soon?
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00:48:12*vans thinks he fell asleep at the keyboard
00:51:36*HCl will just assume xshock went to sleep.. maybe..
00:51:47HClhm. wait.
00:51:51HClat 5 pm, thats unlikely :P
00:52:10XShocKi am here :)
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00:52:17XShocKi was saying it to you. :)
00:52:18HClXShocK: if you manage to get it done, upload it into, ok?
00:52:35HCli'm not really planning to go to sleep, want to get that patch done, though you can take your time, i'm not in a hurry..
00:52:56XShocKok. half an hour to make sure everything is correct, ok?
00:53:10HCl :)
00:58:56XShocKi made an experiment. when everything is staying at their places( mario in the begining) then music is perfect.
01:00:08XShocKbut when i move, and the first bad slime is comign towards me ( i don't see it on screen though) the sound become bad.
01:00:28XShocKon small buffers
01:00:44XShocKbecause it takes too much time to calculate that slime moving.
01:01:14XShocKon big buffers lag between sound and picture will happen
01:01:43XShocKso there is a dilema on how big the buffer should be
01:03:01HCljust keep it small
01:03:05HClwe'll focus on speed improvements
01:04:55HClit was to be expected that its not full speed yet
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01:31:52XShocKHCl: the sample.wav is not playing without overclocking in this patch. i don't really know how to fix that even though i know where is happens
01:32:13HClwe can simply boost cpu for the sample playback
01:32:15HClfor now
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01:36:14*HCl changes that and goes to compile to test.
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01:39:28XShocKHCl: is this a "correct" patch?
01:40:14XShocKi hope it is not the opposite way.
01:48:18HClit patched cleanly
01:48:24*HCl does too many things at once
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01:54:13HCl: tests
01:56:10HClXShocK: its stuttering a lot here, doesn't sound right, even when standing still
01:56:13HCldid i miss something?
01:56:34XShocKno. it is what it should be..
01:56:41HClk k
01:56:49HClthought you said it sounded perfect when standing still
01:56:51HClin the beginning
01:56:53XShocKit sounds right only when no updates of window at all
01:56:59HCl :)
01:57:01*HCl will commit.
01:58:08HClhm wait.
01:58:13HClfirst let me clean it just a tiny bit
01:59:10HClah whatever >.o
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02:00:30HClcommitted :)
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02:02:13HCloh, nice, you even fixed the menu thing?
02:02:31*HCl goes to build a grayscale-with-sound-version
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02:04:03muzhey HCl how do I get rockboy to be in greyscale?
02:05:25HClworking on that.
02:05:32HCli'm just recompiling a grayscale+sound version
02:05:49muzbut like in that pokemon screenshot it was greyscale
02:05:58XShocKHCl: menu thing?
02:06:08XShocKaaah.. when you open the menu it stops the sound?
02:06:16HClmuz: yes
02:06:37HClmuz: there's an non-merged grayscale patch, i'll put a grayscale build on my ftp in just a bit
02:06:48muzok awesome
02:07:02muzdo i need markuns greyscale patch too?
02:07:13HClunless you want to compile it from source
02:07:17muzi though
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02:07:29muzsurely u need rockbox to have greyscale support
02:07:46HCli'm gonna put a pre-compiled rockbox on my ftp with grayscale support o.O
02:07:50HCljust wait o.o;;;
02:07:52muzok yay
02:07:59XShocKbtw, why the isn't the greayscale patch merged to cvs?
02:08:14HClXShocK: its not finished yet
02:08:17muzyea u guys dont commit enough
02:08:45*HCl goes to update the wiki
02:09:23wahatwhat's does wiki stand for?
02:09:27muzum is there anyway i can change the max scan speed when browsing through long lists?
02:10:09muzis it scan min step: 2 or scan accel: 5 ??
02:11:12*wahat shrugs
02:11:55HClno idea
02:11:56wahathmm...rockbox doesn't actually flash to the main firmware does it?
02:12:01HClthere's a manual on the wiki
02:12:06HClit does.
02:12:11HClwell, the bootloader does.
02:12:21wahatscratch that..
02:12:39wahatwas thinking about trying something stupid
02:13:05muzi flashed mine
02:14:18wahatis there any place with detailed specs on the h100 and h300 series?
02:14:26wahatinternal specs i mean
02:14:33wahatahh..okay...on rockbox site?
02:14:34HClyes. wiki.
02:14:35HClyup. some reading to do...latas & thx..
02:14:59HClits all a bit try-by-guess. but by now we all got it right
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02:17:12muzi still dont get how to make it scan faster
02:17:23XShocKoops. HCl: look at daily builds. :)
02:17:27muzis it with this scan accel (0 - 15) [double scan speed every X seconds]?
02:17:28HCl :P
02:17:32HCli mean
02:17:57HCli was assuming the rbsound.c
02:18:01HClsince it will only work on iriver
02:18:05HCllet me fix that
02:18:12muzcan anyone help....
02:19:00muzoh by the way the tag database is good for artists, but for albums it doesnt group together the same album names
02:19:37muzlike you would get one album name for each track, it wont group the same album name together if u kno wat i mean
02:21:59*HCl listens to a pretty good zelda tune
02:22:28*muz is upset cos no one listens to me
02:22:54HClgotta fix the daily builds
02:22:55HClthen i'll listen
02:23:11muzactually i shudnt be disturbin u
02:23:23muzu devs hav such precious time and im wastin it
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02:29:13HClshould be fixed
02:29:26HCli don't know anything about the tag database, and you lef.t
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02:33:07*muz is listening to sound from mario land on iriver
02:33:24muzits a bit scrambled
02:33:37XShocKmmmm... last lines 1200 and further in debug_menu.c. is it right?
02:34:56XShocKshit.. those chnages were not done by me. they should be changed back.
02:35:33muzi think rockboy is running faster after using that bleeding edge build
02:37:06HCli was working on a grayscale version
02:37:17HClXShocK: hmm?
02:37:32HClXShocK: the version i committed worked fine for me, at least
02:37:39XShocKsorry. it is my fault that i missed those changes in debug_menu.c.. all changes after line 1250
02:38:21HClwhat needs to be change?
02:38:40HCli'm about to go to sleep
02:38:46HClbut if you can make it quick, i can commit it before going
02:38:52muzme 2
02:39:07XShocKok. i will
02:39:32HClshould have grayscale+sound version
02:39:36muzooo yay
02:39:37HClgonna try it on my ihp140 now
02:39:42muzme 2 ill try it too
02:41:22XShocKHCl: how do i change the direction of the patch?
02:41:30XShocKmake it the other way around
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02:41:57HClXShocK: um, don't know, but it doesn't matter
02:42:02HClthe patch program has a reversed patch option
02:42:07HClso i can just run it with that
02:42:13HClyou made a good patch last time though
02:42:19HClgrayscale with sound works fine
02:43:14XShocKbut patch it reverse
02:44:01HClis it against current cvs
02:44:59HCli'm a bit confused why this is needed
02:45:03HClcould you explain before i commit?
02:45:04muzHCl: the greyscale rockbox runs slowly
02:45:14HClwhy is the charger affected?
02:45:16XShocKok. look at latest changes in debug_menu.c
02:45:18HClmuz: works fine here
02:45:43muzas in if i hold down down, then it still goes after i stop holding down down
02:46:00muzbut rockboy in greyscale looks soooo sweet nice one
02:46:43XShocKit was affected because i compared the latest possible cvs version with files that were leched from cvs several day ago. so in those several days the debug_menu.c was changed to a new one, and now my last patch made the backwards change
02:46:59muzOMG i can view jpgs now
02:47:24muzfixed wat?
02:47:36XShocKsorry, next time i will try to be better doing it. :)
02:47:37HClthe bug in debug_menu
02:47:39HClits fine :)
02:48:04muzok slight bug, if i view a jpg then go back everything is really pale
02:48:06HCli don't understand why gray rockboy would be slower muz
02:48:13HClworks fine here
02:48:22muzgrey rockbox
02:48:22HClthough technically, it *would* be a bit slower
02:48:29HClwow. its almost going at full speed with sound
02:48:33HClwhile i have screen updates enabled
02:48:59muzrockboy is quicker, its just generally browsing in rockbox thats slower
02:49:18HClthought you meant rockboy
02:50:25HCli must say
02:50:28HCli like rockboy a lot.
02:50:40HClsee what you get when you joke about gameboy emulators on mp3 players? :P
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02:53:38muzhey mandelbrot works now
02:54:22muzbut greyscale plugin doesnt which is odd
02:56:41*HCl commits an simulator patch.
02:56:45HClit should be all green now
02:56:48HCland i need sleep
02:56:52muzum hc1
02:56:57muzcan i ask u somthin
02:57:01*HCl goes to make chocolate milk before going to sleep, sounds sensible
02:57:02DBUGEnqueued KICK HCl
02:57:17muzwith the greyscale patch, try the chicago 12 font, load up a jpg then go back to browsing
02:57:21muzeverything shud be paler
02:57:29HClgreyscale patch is beta and unfinished.
02:57:33HClthats why its not in the cvs yet.
02:57:39HClits experimental
02:57:46muztheres a bug for ya
02:57:56HClwell, yea. i don't work on grayscale, markun does..
02:57:58muzbut jpgs work!!!! thats soo cool
02:58:00HClhehe :p
02:58:04HClshould work even better
02:58:09HClonce amiconn ports the grayscale lib
02:58:11HClto iriver
02:58:15CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:58:15*HCl goes to make chocolate milk
02:58:34muesli-mandelbrot just caused a hang up
02:58:38muzanyway im gonna go play
02:58:47muesli-is there a key to exit this app?
02:58:54muzok ill stay away from mandelbrot then
02:59:34muesli-just use the reset button ;)
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03:00:18jpburton5150HCl: is there a working version of rockboy on your site with both grayscale and sound?
03:02:47HClyes, check the wiki
03:06:42jpburton5150oh alright, sorry, ill check again
03:07:03jpburton5150dur yeah its right there...
03:07:17HClits ok, i only just added that
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03:08:16*HCl goes to sleep
03:08:29muesli-good n8 hcl
03:08:50XShocKgood night
03:09:59DJ_Dooms_Daydoes n8 mean night?
03:10:05DJ_Dooms_Daycoz it doesn't quite work
03:11:01muesli-why does it not work?
03:11:28muesli-whats the problem?
03:11:30XShocKHCl: those daily builds. will it be fixed?
03:11:48muesli-ah, youre an oz
03:11:58DJ_Dooms_DayI dunno what accent you say night in but here in aussie its n-i-t
03:12:01muesli-XShocK i definitely he got to bed
03:12:06HClXShocK: they should turn up all green.
03:12:24HClor yellow.
03:12:42XShocKok. since it is red on 00:53 build
03:12:52HClyea, its rebuilding
03:13:27*HCl really goes to sleep now, might linger till everythings green, then will probably be away for a week due to studying.
03:15:15XShocKok. it should be green
03:15:31XShocKok. see you after week
03:16:13muesli-XShocK does your sound working fine?
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03:16:46XShocKno, because rockboy is not running at full speed yet
03:17:01XShocKit is very choppy.
03:17:10muesli-ah ok..just thought my ihp is running out of the norm..
03:17:15XShocKit is running good when no screen updates are done
03:19:01jpburton5150you know whatd be awesome?
03:19:11jpburton5150if iriver started producing ihp-1xxs again
03:19:19muesli-interesting..while youre running rboy it wont recognized as an usb-drive
03:19:30ashridahjpburton5150: why would they do that? it'd only impact on the sales of their newer, more expensive components
03:19:46ashridahmuesli-: that's because the usb-
03:19:50jpburton5150i didnt say it was practical :P
03:19:50ashridahhard drive doesn't get enabled
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03:27:58jpburton5150wow the sound is awesome...
03:28:14jpburton5150props hcl and xchock...
03:28:58muesli-yepp, heroes ;)
03:30:36XShocKthanks. :)
03:39:56ashridahwait. am i missing something? it doesn't seem to work that well here. how does one attain the 'boost' mentioned in the changelogs?
03:40:20XShocKashridah: what does not seem to work well?
03:45:19XShocKit should be choppy
03:45:49XShocKbecause rockboy does not work in full speed. audio is good when no screen updates are done
03:51:12ashridahah. i thought the changelogs were implying that there was a 'boost' mode that solved that. nevermind.
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04:12:07muesli-good n8 ladiez
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04:21:00XShocKgood night all
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04:49:31RaZorbacKhi people
04:49:52RaZorbacKis there guys who could help me about building voice files?
04:51:00RaZorbacKeverything works but i have no big clues about setting lines in the InitReplaceLists in the vbs file
04:51:25RaZorbacKno examples to help :)
04:52:26RaZorbacKoutch, everyone seems to be sleeping :)
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08:20:30hileuugh, good branding from rockbox, I was going to check from iriver what's new with the 1.65EU firmware -> going to instead of ;)
08:20:44hilemaybe some day....
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08:41:39*hile listens 1st time rockbox play sample.wav, just as proof of concept
08:42:08hileI put living colour's version of should I stay or should I go there ... mm seems there is a time limit, whatever
08:43:27hilebtw anyone looked at the spdif connectors? rockbox does not initialize it after boot -> the output is always on
08:43:33hilepro'lly doesn't matter but...
08:47:52bobdbobhile: have you ever done profiling of rocks to improve performance?
08:48:11hilecompletely newbie with rockbox
08:48:31hilehmm I crashed rockbox -> after reset there is funny noise coming from headphones, seems something gets initialized differently after soft reset
08:48:47hileI'm not expecting the software to do anything real yet with sound...
08:49:26hilejust a note that maybe we should go through the hardware and think about sane defaults to initialize when booting, for each piece of stuff
08:49:51hilebut maybe later, i think that's quite boring think to do
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09:40:52ashridahhile: the sample .wav playback doesn't have any buffer maintenance, it just loads a chunk from the file and plays it.
09:41:29ashridahit was mostly built to test proper streaming to the audio hardware itself.
09:42:02hileyeah, I noticed
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12:10:38muzhey everyone
12:10:58muzcan anyone tell me how to get rocbox's pointer to move faster when browsing
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13:42:44danhow can i get rockbox to scroll downwards faster?
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13:50:18ashridahi didn't think it supported changing the scrolling speed.
13:50:28ashridahyou could probably modify the source code, but i have no idea where myself
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13:51:30ashridahah, wait, there is
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13:52:47ashridahhrm, no it isn't, that's scrolling text left<-> right
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15:13:59t0mashmz.. someone already emailed/told LinusN he should fill in the freenode form?
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15:25:56HClstress sucks
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15:32:06ashridahsix hour ISP cutoffs suck.
15:33:38muesli-isp cut offs? whats that?
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15:37:04Lost-ashooh. and let's not forget the isp that has a fucked up 15 minute inactivity timeout
15:37:22Lost-ash"he's only downloaded stuff 10 seconds ago. looks close enough to 15 minutes to me, kick him!
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19:08:22Mong0bummer anyone seen ripnet in here?
19:14:14HClnew earthquake in indonesia
19:14:18HClan hour ago..
19:14:36HClright at the coast
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19:20:22t0mashm... intresting story on CNN
19:23:19HClew. cnn.
19:23:23HClwhat does cnn say?
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19:25:42*HCl bites ida
19:25:47HClpiece of junk :/
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19:32:30t0masHCl: you can read dutch... see
19:33:24t0masor this one:
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19:36:07HClbit short.
19:36:08HClbut ok.
19:36:10HClcan't we like
19:36:13HClcall indonesia
19:36:17HCland tell everybody to wake the fuck up
19:36:18HCland get out
19:36:19HCl? :x
19:36:29t0maswell... they are evacuating... afaik
19:36:39HCli dunno
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19:40:26webmindHCl, already happening.. see bbc
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20:11:42t0masthey expect the tsunami to hit the shores at 16:09 Hrs on 3/29/2005 GMT
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20:48:52HClt0mas: where'd you hear that?
20:49:19*HCl remembers last december..
20:52:13HClthey just said there will be no tsunami
20:52:19HCli say nobody knows o.o
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21:09:04*HCl wonders wtf he's watching on tv.
21:12:44Tomas|laptopcheck sbs6
21:12:47Tomas|laptopocean's 11
21:17:03HCli've seen that 4 times
21:17:07HCli burned the dvd of it a while ago
21:17:11HClbetter quality, no commercials >.o
21:17:16HCli never watch movies on tv.
21:17:20HClunless they're not on our net
21:17:26HClbut they almost always are
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21:21:11HCldutch subtitling
21:21:18*HCl goes to try and find his oceans eleven dvd
21:21:26HClno wait. i already saw i.t
21:21:41*HCl almost knows the movie by head :/
21:22:19HClparts of the subtitling are missing too! geeze, crappy sbs6 :/
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21:47:11Tomas|laptophow to debug rockbox things?
21:47:34Tomas|laptopis there a debug(""); function?
21:47:43HClyou can use splash
21:47:47HClin combination with an snprintf
21:48:39Tomas|laptophm... no other way?
21:52:28HCli dunno.
21:52:30HCli just did it like that
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21:52:46Tomas|laptophi amiconn
21:54:02lImbusn'abend jens :-)
21:54:15amiconnTomas|laptop: There are some ways to debug
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21:54:35*HCl never understands how people read the irc log live
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21:54:45HClisn't it much easier to just be on irc? :P
21:54:54Tomas|laptopit's easy in a silent channel like this
21:54:59amiconn(1) On the simulator, you can use DEBUGF(), which will print to the console window.
21:55:07amiconnYou can also use gdb with the sim
21:55:32amiconn(2) On the archos target (except Ondio), you can use gdb via a serial link
21:55:53amiconnHCl: I just read up the log
21:56:13HClyou responded so quickly that it seemed as if you were reading it constantly :P
21:56:23Tomas|laptopamiconn: tnx
21:56:41Tomas|laptopdebugf() is usefull :)
21:56:50amiconnUnfortunately, the gdb stub for iriver is still to be written
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22:19:21Bagdergood evening
22:21:16amiconnWelcome back :)
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22:37:30*Tomas|laptop still has a resource eating video player :P
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22:41:32[IDC]Dragonhi guys
22:43:54[IDC]DragonBagder, I stumbled about a russian font problem, in the forum
22:44:44BagderI've seen people discuss that too
22:44:52[IDC]Dragonwin_crox0c.fnt doesn't display correct, but strangely also on the font page
22:44:52amiconnhi Jörg
22:45:01[IDC]Dragonhi Jens :-)
22:45:37[IDC]Dragononly the bdf file and bdf2bmp involved there, right?
22:46:00[IDC]Dragonneither of which have changed in cvs ever
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22:46:32Tomas|laptop/home/tomas/dev/rockbox.18.03.2005/build/wps-display.o(.text+0x6ac): In function `get_tag':
22:46:32Tomas|laptop/home/tomas/dev/rockbox.18.03.2005/apps/wps-display.c:344: undefined reference to `read_bmp_file'
22:46:32Tomas|laptopcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:46:43Tomas|laptopI have included "bmp.h"
22:46:59Tomas|laptopbut I guess I'll have to link to something before I can use read_bmp_file() ?
22:47:07Bagdersorry, but I'm quite busy elsewhere atm
22:47:33Tomas|laptopmaybe amiconn?
22:48:52amiconnTomas|laptop: The actual bmp code is disabled in bmp.c iirc (#if 0 ... #endif)
22:49:05amiconn...and it needs rewriting before use
22:49:16Tomas|laptopyeah, I'll do that after this works ;)
22:49:41Tomas|laptop(and maybe you should add a comment to the header?)
22:50:04amiconnThe bmp code still uses the old rockbox bitmap format (before [IDC]Dragon introduced the video plugin, rockbox used another bitmap format that was not identical to the internal lcd format)
22:50:43amiconnThe bmp code is waaay old; when I started to rockbox it was already disabled for some time
22:51:07[IDC]Dragonamiconn, the bmp code uses the bdf file for input
22:51:31Bagderyou're talking about different bmp stuff ;-)
22:51:39[IDC]Dragonit's called bdf2bmp
22:51:41amiconnIiuc Tomas|laptop is talking about apps/bmp.c
22:52:16[IDC]Dragonwe're talking about fonts
22:53:29Tomas|laptopamiconn: there is a tool... bmp2rb isn't that possible to do on the fly?
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22:57:50[IDC]Dragon2my WLAN again...
22:58:02[IDC]Dragon2Bagder, see
22:59:41Bagderit has been mentioned before as well
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23:02:44Tomas|laptopamiconn: The function in bmp.c is not really differing much of the one Linus wrote in bmp2rb.c
23:04:55Tomas|laptopI'll look at it tomorrow
23:05:00Tomas|laptopgoing to sleep now :)
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23:08:49[IDC]Dragonthis is not funny
23:09:02lImbusnot for you, indeed
23:09:46[IDC]Dragoni'm on the PC now, again
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23:10:24amiconn[IDC]Dragon: There must be a reason why I prefer wired lan ...
23:11:00[IDC]Dragonwhat I was about to say: Bagder, it seems we have lost a font file, duplicated another
23:11:38Bagdersounds strange
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23:12:44BagderI still don't understand the problem completely
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23:13:30[IDC]Dragon"win_crox0c.fnt" and "alt6x10.fnt" look alike
23:13:43ShebbHi, this is my first time here though I have been stalking the forums for a while.
23:14:01[IDC]Dragonthe bdf files are different, but not too much
23:14:48ShebbI have tried to compile Rockbox for the iRiver using cygwin but I cannot get the required crosscompilers it seems
23:15:12ShebbThere seems to be problems with the site
23:16:30amiconnShebb: Iiuc the pre-built compiler on that site isn't usable for iriver, because the binutils are too lod
23:17:23Shebbyeah, I tried recompiling them but I could not find the source for the new gcc build
23:17:36amiconnThere are 2 options: (1) fetch BlueChip's devkit, that should contain a pre-built crosscompiler for coldfire (2) build the compiler yourself
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23:19:19BagderShebb: you can use the CrossCompiler intruction on the web site
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23:26:10RickBluechip's devkit is a nice option if you can get rid of all the junk
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23:27:02[IDC]Dragonthe phony part?
23:27:46RickI am referring to the branding and crappy coloring stuff
23:28:19RickI stripped all that junk out
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23:33:31t0masRick: it's usable when you change some batch files ;)
23:33:47Rickt0mas: yes, I did that ;P
23:34:01ShebbThere we go, thanks for the help. started the build now
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23:35:03*t0mas fetches his IRT(tm)
23:37:24*t0mas should start selling them :P
23:37:32t0masSee the picture:
23:37:50amiconn[IDC]Dragon: The first 2 GB MMCs are now available...
23:38:20[IDC]DragonI've seen you talking about it
23:38:37[IDC]Dragon(not that I'm gonna upgrade)
23:40:14[IDC]DragonBagder: "win_crox0c.fnt" and "alt6x10.fnt" indeed produce the same bmp
23:40:48amiconnThere are 3 web shops where I found them: (Speichermedien->Flashcards->Multi Media Cards)
23:41:07amiconnOne is also on ebay
23:41:54Bagder[IDC]Dragon: so what are you suggesting?
23:42:34[IDC]Dragonis there an old backup, perhaps?
23:42:39Bagderof what?
23:42:56[IDC]Dragonbut a strange case, the bdf files are not the same
23:43:18[IDC]Dragonof "win_crox0c.bdf"
23:44:03BagderI doubt we have one old enough to matter
23:44:15Bagdersince the problem is very old, isn't it?
23:44:31[IDC]Dragonsomewhere >2.2
23:44:40[IDC]Dragonthey say
23:45:02Bagderand they know the BDF is wrong?
23:45:12Bagderif so, why can't they juts fix it?
23:45:41[IDC]Dragonthe bdf isn't part of the distribution
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23:45:56Bagderno, but they're in CVS
23:45:59MoosCamaroHey all
23:46:12[IDC]Dragonyes, and never changed
23:46:25Bagderno, but they were added to cvs rather recently
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23:48:42[IDC]Dragonmy cvs client displays no proper date in the history
23:49:25[IDC]Dragongood idea
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23:50:20[IDC]Dragonhehe, "recently" was 10 month ago
23:50:57Bagderwhen I added 'make zip'
23:51:18Bagderwe had the BDFs around for years before that
23:52:18[IDC]Dragonok, so the procedure was different for 2.2 ?
23:52:37[IDC]Dragon(the font has no v2.2 label)
23:53:24Bagderit wasn't different, no
23:53:32Bagderbut we didn't have the fonts in the cvs then
23:54:25t0masanother one... when you checkout rockbox... the font's are not checked out with it...
23:54:35t0mas(not related to your discussion)
23:54:46[IDC]Dragonthey say this font was correct in v2.2
23:54:48t0maswich causes the 'make zip' to fail...
23:55:02[IDC]Dragon(sorry for going in circles)
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23:55:06t0masmaybe someone can add fonts to the rockbox checkout script?
23:55:17ShebbIn the codec makefile, what is the 'dumb' entry for?
23:55:34t0masisn't it a codec?
23:55:56Bagder[IDC]Dragon: yes, and we don't have fonts in CVS that old and thus we can't get the BDF from then back so then we need someone to fix the bdf
23:56:33[IDC]Dragonsorry, kind of a pity
23:56:47BagderI agree
23:56:50ShebbSince there is no folder for it and I get an error upon build because of it, I should think not
23:57:04BagderShebb: building from tarball or CVS?
23:57:37Shebbfrom the tarball
23:57:44t0mastry CVS
23:57:49Bagderyeah, dumb is missing from the tarball
23:57:50t0masI juist built mine...
23:57:52[IDC]Dragondidn't we have the bdf files separately some day? no remains of it?
23:58:02ShebbI have the cvs in my failed cygwin attempt
23:58:11Bagder[IDC]Dragon: yes, but they are the ones I imported to CVS
23:58:23[IDC]Dragonwhere did that font come from? any original source accessible perhaps?
23:58:25ShebbPretty recent cvs as well so I could try that...
23:58:43Bagder[IDC]Dragon: I don't know where it came from, we got most of the fonts mailed to us from various random people

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