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#rockbox log for 2005-04-05

00:00:17amiconnHis gfx lib will (hopefully) become obsolete in the not too far future. I intend to work on a unified gfx api and a number of optimisations. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI
00:00:37Camiloamiconn, any alpha blending planned?
00:00:48Bagderamiconn: I only read through your suggestion once, but it looked rather fine at that quick glance
00:01:25amiconnCamilo: No, since Linus wants the greyscale framebuffer in native format ;-/
00:02:01preglowwhy does that mean you cant alpha blend?
00:02:10preglowweren't you talking about using an intermediate buffer anyway?
00:02:26amiconnYes, for the grayscale library
00:02:39CamiloI'm not criticising - but I read the page from the POV of a potential H3xx GUI developer and nodded at all the future colour notes
00:02:50preglowframebuffer needs to be native, i don't think there's much to say about it
00:02:54Camilothe only thing I thought was missing was maybe alpha blending
00:02:55preglowwe need all the iram we have
00:03:03amiconnThis currently only exists for archos, and I can only even try this if I get my iriver...
00:03:55amiconnpreglow: Imho the framebuffer doesn't need to be in iram
00:04:39amiconnIt is not in iram on archos (although it would be possible to fit it, even within the 4 K iram of the SH1)
00:05:41HCl >.<
00:05:42HCl!
00:06:04preglowwell, no, but is archos ram as slow as iriver ram?
00:06:14amiconnNo it isn't
00:06:28HCldarnit.
00:06:31HClmy email server is down
00:06:35HCljust when i wrote a nice email
00:06:41HClthat i think i have completely right
00:06:46HCland that should solve all problems :x
00:07:12amiconnIt's just only 16 bits wide (iram is 32 bits), and the first access to a new page (it's fast page mode DRAM) needs 2 additional wait states
00:09:44amiconnOn the other side, the SH1 doesn't have any cache, so it makes sense to put time critical code into iram, for 2 reasons
00:11:36amiconn(1) 2 instructions fit within the 32 bit bus width. This allows for clever placement of 'mov' instructions so that the instruction fetch doesn't interfere with memory access (2) Having instructions in IRAM doesn't break page mode, so this is especially useful for memory intensive code
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00:14:31HCloh god.
00:14:40HClour university computer staff is so incompetent
00:14:41HClx.x
00:15:09HClthey lost our mail aliases, all email to our university is getting rejected
00:15:19HClon top of that, all email that you try to send from our university gets rejected too
00:15:19preglowsmooth operator
00:15:47HClyea, we have a partly students-partly payed-staff managed network
00:15:54HClobviously, the students part runs great.
00:16:01HCland the payed-staff always messes up
00:16:27HClanyways, i used our students-run emailserver, which works fine..
00:17:05preglowhaha
00:17:09preglowi've got my own mail server
00:17:14preglowi've got my own everything, mainly
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00:18:04HCl*nods*
00:18:16HCli have a server that i can setup mail and dns on... if i wanted to.
00:18:20preglowheh
00:18:27HClnever really saw the need
00:18:32preglowdid it mainly for fun
00:18:35HClsince the university emails everything to your university email
00:18:39preglowand for hosting the domains of some friends
00:18:45HCland i'd have to get everything redirected for that
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00:28:52Rickhow does rockbox choose to case directory names?
00:29:18HCli don't think we really make a choice, we just read the joliet / msdos filename back?
00:29:33Rickwell
00:29:33preglowholiet is a cdrom standard...
00:29:33Rickit's odd
00:29:36preglowjoliet <a-
00:29:36HClsorry
00:29:37HClxD
00:29:38Rickbecause some directories are upper case
00:29:41Rickand some are lower case
00:29:41HClwindows filenames
00:29:41HClwhatever
00:29:47Rickwhen they are all lower case
00:29:50CamiloRick are you using linux?
00:29:59RickCamilo: sometimes, yes
00:30:09Rickbut I am talking about from the view of rockbox display
00:30:12Camilowhen you are seeing the case inconsistencies, are you using linux?
00:30:13Ricknot a mounted drive
00:30:14amiconnThe problem here isn't rockbox, but windows
00:30:21RickNo, it is in the rockbox display
00:30:27Rickamiconn: ah
00:30:30CamiloOK..
00:30:31amiconnYes, but the problem is windows
00:30:32Rickhow can I fix it?
00:30:45HClrename them in windows?
00:30:55Rickin windows they are lowercase
00:30:58Rickin rockbox they are uppercase
00:30:59CamiloRick, from linux you can mount the drive with the options shortname=win95, then rename to your heart;s content
00:31:37HClare they shorter than 8 chars?
00:31:55Rickyes
00:31:58amiconnIf you enter a shortname (a name that fits in the 8.3 scheme, wihout disallowed characters) in all lowercase, Windows displays it that way, but only stores a FAT shortname, no corresponding VFAT longname
00:32:10HCldoes rockbox default to windows filenames or msdos filenames when its 8.3 ?
00:32:10Rickah
00:32:12amiconnHowever, FAT shortnames are always uppercase
00:32:16HClah.
00:32:19Rickthat makes sense
00:32:54*Rick wonders if it would be easy to hack that
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00:32:57amiconnIirc there is a registry key to 'cure' that odd windows behaviour, but I don't remember which one
00:33:01Rickah
00:34:05amiconnFound it: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-101
00:34:05Camilolinux defaults to showing those 8.3 in lower case, whilst writing them on the disk in the case originally given... not useful IMHO
00:35:22Rickdon't see an option for the first one
00:35:27Rickoh wait
00:35:28Rickthat's win98
00:35:28amiconnPure 8.3 filenames on FAT are always uppercase. However, there is nothing that would prevent a filesystem from adding a VFAT longname, even it isn't necessary because of the length
00:35:31*Rick slaps himself
00:36:30amiconnRick: The problem exists with all 32 bit Windows versions
00:36:38Rickah
00:36:48Rickwell
00:36:50Rickthanks for the tip
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00:44:24HClsometimes i feel stupidity should be illegal :/
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00:55:34preglowi feel it should be fatal
00:55:56preglowat least punishable
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01:04:00MoosCamarogood night
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08:04:50LinusNhi amiconn
08:04:58LinusNnice work on the trigger cleanup
08:05:00amiconnGood morning :)
08:06:35amiconnHmm, would be better if at least some test compilations are done prior to commit :-/
08:07:00amiconnTrigger is not yet tested on Ondio FM, but I hope it works
08:07:08LinusNhehe, i did compile the ondio, but i accidentally configured for the sp
08:07:57amiconnThe SP binary got >2.5 KB larger without my cleanup
08:08:20LinusNwas that a problem?
08:08:35amiconnIt's a waste...
08:08:39LinusNof course
08:09:10LinusNi see it like this: the code would never have been cleaned up if i didn't commit it
08:09:34amiconnAfter cleanup, about 500 bytes are left, coming from the additional strings, and one additional peakmeter function unrelated to the trigger
08:09:45LinusNi simply had no time to fix all platforms, and philipp wasn't going to do it either
08:09:48t0mas|zzzmorning
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08:09:58amiconnThe player binary increased ~300 bytes
08:10:14amiconn(due to the strings)
08:10:17LinusNt0mas: morning
08:10:46LinusNnon-platform related strings is becoming a problem
08:11:02amiconnI hope the C99 syntax I used for const'ing is okay
08:11:09LinusNlooks ok
08:11:14amiconn(designated initializers)
08:11:20LinusNcool feature
08:11:27amiconnyup
08:13:09amiconnBtw, I like the trigger option menu presentation...
08:13:39amiconnPerhaps this layout (improved a little bit further) should become the standard option menu in rockbox...
08:16:12LinusNwe have discussed various ways of doing that
08:16:47LinusNthe problem is always the width
08:17:58LinusNwith different fonts and languages
08:19:36Ricktrigger?
08:20:17LinusNlevel triggered recording
08:20:44amiconnLinusN: I know about the problems, but imho this is solvable if partial scrolling lines get implemented
08:20:46t0masoh LinusN.. I have a little bug in the bootloader...
08:21:02LinusNt0mas: only one?
08:21:09t0masdon't know ;)
08:21:22t0maswhen hold is on.... and you press the play button shortly... it will just boot
08:21:33LinusNyes, that's a known bug
08:21:52t0masok
08:22:00LinusNthanks for reporting anyway
08:22:03Rickhehe
08:22:14t0masI'll instruct my pocket to keep the button pressed for some time ;)
08:22:25LinusNt0mas: do that :-)
08:22:41Rickon which unit?
08:22:47t0masH120
08:22:47LinusNarchos recorders
08:22:59LinusN(if you mean trigger)
08:23:06*Rick can't see the h120's play button getting clicked on like that easily
08:23:48t0masnope... that's why I noticed now.. and not a few weeks ago
08:23:59Rickah
08:24:00Rickhehe
08:24:12Ricki'm sure it's improbable of that happening with the case on too
08:24:34t0masyeah, I still want an iSkin...
08:24:43Rickhrm
08:24:44*Rick thinks
08:25:00Rickdoes rockbox react to the remote buttons already?
08:25:09t0masonly the ON button...
08:25:13Rickdarn
08:25:15t0masto start original firmware
08:25:28amiconnLinusN: My additional ideas for the menu presentation are (1) Put a little space between item name and value (2) Have the value right aligned as in the trigger option menu, but limit the width it can take to max. 1/3 the screen width (3) use mattzz's checkbox widget for binary options
08:25:29t0mas(but you have to press it for a little time... not just hit it)
08:25:30Rickthat means I have to pull out the h120 when I accidentally start rockbox
08:25:35Rickyeah I know t0mas
08:25:52amiconnThe item name part should scroll if it does not fit completely
08:26:10LinusNamiconn: basically my idea too :-)
08:26:14amiconn(only if you are at that line, as with the current menus)
08:28:08amiconnOf course, the menu handling needs to stay as-is on the player. Too little room for item name & value on the same line :(
08:28:21LinusNyeah
08:30:29Rickwhat is 'I2C' / 'I2S'?
08:31:29LinusNI2C is a serial comm protocol, used to talk to various chips
08:31:32Rickah
08:31:43LinusNI2S is a serial protocol for audio
08:32:57*t0mas luistert naar: Track 35 (1:08)
08:33:00t0masoh lol
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08:43:29*t0mas is away..
08:43:30t0masbye
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09:11:45bobTHChi all!
09:11:56LinusNhola
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09:36:31LinusNhi kurzhaarrocker
09:36:44kurzhaarrockerThank you for including my patch and sorry for the hubub it caused
09:37:09kurzhaarrockerI read something about standard menu stuff that I didn't use.
09:37:14LinusNi have homework for you
09:37:30kurzhaarrockerWhich?
09:37:36LinusN1) make it work better in the sim
09:37:44LinusN2) update the wiki
09:38:27kurzhaarrockerespecially the latter will be important for users :)
09:38:52LinusNoh yes
09:39:18kurzhaarrockerBut give me a week. Currently I'm very busy at work.
09:39:46LinusNyou have one week, then we start threatening you :-)
09:40:11*kurzhaarrocker shivers
09:41:56*kurzhaarrocker noticed that he should learn how const works and how to utilize its advantages.
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09:48:18LinusNRick: you come and you go...
09:49:08LinusNverizon seems to be a reliable isp :-)
09:50:20Bagderhaha
09:50:35LinusNnot to mention free of spam! :-) :-)
09:51:05BagderI wish I could use them ;-)
09:51:30LinusNi wish i didn't live in europe, where most spam comes from ;-)
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10:00:33Lynx_LinusN: from the CVS activity it looks like you are on holidays :)
10:00:56LinusN:-)
10:00:59kurzhaarrockerNah, when LinusN is on holidays he writes spam :)
10:02:39Lynx_"Increase the capabilities of you firmware, no prescription required?
10:02:43Lynx_"
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10:03:02Lynx_s/you/your/
10:05:11LinusNR0.c.k!B.0_x
10:07:20Lynx_hehe
10:08:33Lynx_Bagder: got you FP2001 yet?
10:08:41Bagderno :-(
10:08:58Lynx_how long have you been waiting now?
10:09:24Bagdera week
10:09:53bobTHCEnl4rge y0ur Jukebox, choose the best drug on the n3t ! R0.c.k!B.0_x
10:10:03bobTHClol
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10:18:24amiconnhi kurzhaarrocker (the Ondio breaker ;-) )
10:18:36*kurzhaarrocker hides from amiconn
10:18:59kurzhaarrockerIt's good to have code poliece :)
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13:12:40kurzhaarrockerI updated the TriggerManual in wiki. Homework No 2 done.
13:13:34LinusNwonderful
13:14:12LinusNi must say that the graphics look very weird
13:14:21LinusNah, sorry
13:14:27LinusNhad to reload
13:14:38kurzhaarrocker:) I experienced that too
13:15:39kurzhaarrockerlunch
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13:54:36*t0mas is back
13:54:58t0maslong half day... stupid computers
13:55:35bobTHCcomputer are not stupid ;)
13:55:54t0masok... stupid customers
13:55:59bobTHC:)
13:57:57bobTHCor stupid engineer ;)
13:58:09*t0mas didn't build it...
13:58:28t0masI'm just a simple sysadmin... half time... still going to school the other day's
13:58:41preglowstupidity in coders...
13:58:58preglowthat's my favourite
13:59:28bobTHC:)
13:59:44preglowespecially because i'm so often guilty of it myself
13:59:55preglowlast stupidity was commited ten minutes ago
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14:00:15*LinusN feels guilty
14:00:21bobTHC:))))
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14:52:34bobTHCany taker dor gmail invite ?????
14:52:46bobTHCs/dor/for
14:54:40preglowi've got about 50 left, if you want, say, twenty of them
14:55:22Bagder:-)
14:55:34LinusNwhat's the deal with all those gmail invites?
14:55:57preglowi have no idea
14:56:00preglowi just have fifty
14:56:02BagderLinusN: you can't get an account normally, you can just get it by invitation
14:56:02preglowno, i have a hundrer
14:56:05preglowhundred, haha
14:57:50LinusNand why would i want a gmail account?
14:58:04BagderLinusN: to store 2GB of spam! ;-)
14:58:15LinusNwonderful!
14:58:15bobTHC2gig , searchable, pop and smtp, ....
14:58:30LinusNwna the catch is...?
14:58:38LinusNs/wna/and/
14:58:50Bagderads
14:58:57BagderI guess
14:58:59LinusNin the emails?
14:59:06preglownah, google ads on the page
14:59:12bobTHCnot exacly like google
14:59:13preglowdont think there is any in the mail
14:59:19bobTHCat ure right
14:59:26LinusNi would use smtp
14:59:29bobTHCyes
14:59:31preglowthere is a smtp server
14:59:34preglowand pop support
14:59:52bobTHCu can use it as a Web HD too
14:59:53LinusNand what's in it for google in that case?
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15:00:01preglowi have no idea
15:00:06preglowi don't use it
15:00:10LinusNfree smtp with no injected ads
15:00:14bobTHCyes
15:00:19LinusNi don't get it
15:00:25bobTHC:)
15:00:26LinusNtoo good to be true
15:00:33preglowthey're philantropists :P
15:00:49BagderI guess they expect enough number of people to use the webmail
15:02:11preglowi might have to use it when i have to take my box down when i move
15:02:42preglowunless i get some mad fool to take over my mail server settings
15:03:32preglowsettings/setup
15:04:53bobTHCusing the gmail account as linux webstorage is a good thing... : http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
15:05:22preglowtoo bad google is bound to break it sooner or later
15:05:34preglowthey've explicitely stated they don't want that
15:08:35bobTHCit's idiot, i like use unix command to manage webdrive
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15:11:04bobTHClol
15:14:13bobTHChard to cameback to low BW for sure... it's like using a moped after have use a yam R1
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15:49:04TangHi :)
15:49:31Tanganyone?
15:49:42Bagderhi
15:49:46bobTHChi
15:50:13Tanglo Badger
15:50:31TangCan i ask if the latest audio progress are nly Archos related?
15:51:12Tang(i think yes but not sure)
15:51:15Bagderit isn't
15:52:25TangAh okay
15:52:29Tangwhat i thought
15:52:31Tangthanks
15:52:33Tang:)
15:53:09Tang(maybe i wasn't clear: i meant: "yes it's only related to Archos" ;)
15:58:40preglowthe whole reason the code is changed is so it makes sense on other platforms than archos
15:59:10preglowarchos can only do mpeg
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16:01:46TangHum so it's nonArchos related
16:01:54Tangbut it's not a concrete progress
16:01:58Tangif i understand well
16:02:00Tang:)
16:02:10TangNo matter
16:02:18Tangi'm very pateint
16:02:21Tang:)
16:03:27Bagderit is progress indeed
16:03:44Bagderhow can progress not be "concrete" ?
16:04:06preglowlike in instant visible changes for the user, i guess
16:04:30TangHum
16:04:47Tangi didn't explained well myself
16:04:55Tangi mean not "substantial progress"
16:04:56Tang?
16:05:06TangSo no need to relay on some boards
16:05:07Tang:)
16:05:09Tang:)
16:05:17TangIs it true then?
16:08:45preglowno need to relay anything
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16:19:34Tang(oki that's what i decided finally from a MP with Bob, anyway i'll relay the info if "my people" seems to turn impatient
16:19:42Tangso they won't annoy you :)
16:19:44Tang;)
16:19:48TangBest regards
16:19:50TangTanguy
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16:48:50t0mas[15:05:53] <preglow> unless i get some mad fool to take over my mail server settings
16:48:56t0masMad fool reporting :)
16:49:04t0masI'm doing backup MX for some domains...
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16:55:00t0maslol
16:55:32t0masI was just reading about libcurl... and read "Daniel Stenberg" and I was thinking like... "where did I read that name before?"
16:56:01Bagder:-)
16:57:14preglowhaha
16:57:20t0mastnx for writing that Bagder :)
16:57:25preglowi think i've got a mad fool for a friend anyway, so i'll be alright
16:57:26*Bagder bows
16:57:27t0masmakes logging on to msn a lot easyer
16:57:39Lynx_Bagder: you're into hairdressing also? ;)
16:57:50t0maspreglow: just email me if you need it :)
16:57:56preglowt0mas: great
16:58:00t0mastomas@salfischberger.nl / tomas@shcomputers.nl
16:58:01Bagdernah, curling is a sport
16:58:06preglowi love curling
16:58:06Bagder;-)
16:58:14t0masoh LOL
16:58:17t0masHCl?
16:58:22t0mascheck planet news :)
16:58:39t0masA man jumped off the public tribune... into the dutch gouvernment chamber
16:58:54t0masa securitygard jumped after him
16:59:08t0masthey both broke their legs... and the man was arrested
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17:21:49DMJCok, any news?
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20:32:39*rasher translates
20:36:01rasherDone.. if "Udløser" is an acceptable translation of "Trigger"
20:36:28Bagderah, that one
20:38:44rasherI should do a lower-case-nazi attack on dansk.lang at some point
20:38:56rasherproblem is I don't notice half of the problems
20:39:07rashersince I see about 5% of the strings on the iriver :-\
20:39:13Bagderhehe
20:39:50rasherand it's sortof hard to figure out if a string is going to be used on its own, or concatenated with something else
20:39:55rasheroh well
20:40:27rasherdo I submit this to the tracker, or will you commit it?
20:40:54Bagderbeam it to be and I'll commit
20:40:57Bagderto me
20:41:20rasherrasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/dansk.lang.new">http://rasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/dansk.lang.new
20:41:31Bagderok, its the full replacement?
20:41:39rasheryeah, is a patch better?
20:41:47Bagderno, this'll do fine
20:42:00rasherexcellent
20:42:29Bagderdone
20:42:50rasherGroovy
20:43:19rasherU apps/lang/dansk.lang
20:43:22rasherhurray!
20:43:27Bagder:-)
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21:23:03Eodunhi everyone
21:23:08Bagderhi
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21:24:00EodunWhere I can find the number of the last espanol.lang version? I need to upload 2 voices and want to do everything correctly
21:24:45Bagderyou can find that in cvs, either using a cvs client or check the cvs web interface
21:25:06Eodunok, gonna update voices now
21:25:30Bagdernice
21:25:49Bagdergot any feedback from spanish users?
21:26:05Eodunoh, one thing: I have french, german and italian voices, so i could buid them, but dunno how to correct pronunciation...
21:26:31Bagderme neither ;)
21:26:53Eodunjust one thing: the lastest espanol.lang says folder instead of "directorio" or "carpeta"
21:26:59Eodunbut minor problem really
21:27:52Bagderhablo solo un pocito :-)
21:28:06EodunI've been thinking about the line in in my player...
21:28:25Eodunnice... just that it's "poquito" :)
21:28:33Bagderoh well ;-)
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21:31:40eodun2sry got disconnected
21:31:47eodun2could be possible to write a plugin or menu so you could record from the line in?
21:32:51Bagdernot on the player model, no
21:33:21rashero.O what's a line-in for if you can't record?
21:33:31Bagdergood question
21:33:36Bagdersing-along? ;-)
21:33:45eodun2you can use it like an amplifier
21:33:45rasherWhat the...?!
21:34:17eodun2connect to line-in and from headphone jack
21:34:35eodun2-bum- a little amplifier
21:34:40eodun2funny
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21:35:49rasherWait.. the player has a line-in but no ability to record? Who thought of that... and WHY?!
21:36:05rasheror am I misreading something here
21:36:10Bagderhey, remember that they are french ;-)
21:36:25rasherThose nutty French.
21:36:41eodun2lol
21:36:56eodun2but the signal has to go through some circuit
21:36:57rasherThat really has got to be one of the most bizarre hardware design choices I've heard of
21:37:23Bagdereodun2: yes, but its not possible for the cpu to intercept
21:38:02rasherI refuse to accept this.. some engineer must have thought SOMETHING when he decided that.. I need to know what, or I won't be able to sleep tonight :-\
21:38:51eodun2they could think about a use for it, but when got to design the software simply left it as is.
21:41:16eodun2well, uploading voices
21:41:19eodun2see ya
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21:51:03*rasher stares at mrtg graphs
21:51:29rasherIt's kind of sad that I only use 2kb/s on average of my internet connection
21:51:43rasherand a little more upstream
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22:43:54pikehi dudes and dudettes
22:44:18pikeI stumbled upon this: http://forum.iriver.se/ rofl, probably not new is it ?
22:44:35t0mashacked? :)
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