#rockbox 2005-04-06

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03:43:01	Paleo	DO you have plan to support Archos GMini XS200 someday ?
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07:42:37	QT	hi!
07:42:46	QT	how about the iriver port of rockbox?
07:42:57		Quit kramerica ()
07:43:08	QT	anything already available for a user to install & run?
07:43:18	LinusN	well, not really
07:43:34	LinusN	you can install and run rockbox, but it won't play any music
07:43:41	QT	ok. thanks. then i shall not bother you any longer and keep you away from important stuff to do :-)
07:43:47	LinusN	:-)
07:43:51	LinusN	don't worry
07:44:02	QT	yeah. thanks
07:44:29	QT	i haven't looked & read up the latest recently and was wondering what is going on
07:44:59	LinusN	we're working on the internal changes to allow for the software codecs to run
07:45:33	QT	internal changes of rockbox?
07:45:42	LinusN	i'm renaming and moving things around to better fit the multi-codec architecture
07:45:48	LinusN	yes
07:45:52	QT	i see
07:46:06	QT	wasn't it multi-codec in the past then?
07:46:12	LinusN	rockbox has so far only run on the archos devices, which had a hardware mp3 codec
07:46:21	LinusN	mp3 only
07:46:32	QT	i see
07:46:42	QT	and now you gotta look at ogg too?
07:46:46	QT	any other codec?
07:46:46	LinusN	oh yes
07:47:10	LinusN	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs
07:47:28	QT	how about recording?
07:47:55	LinusN	to begin with, we will record to wav, and possibly a few lossless formats
07:48:09	QT	losless recording can be useful sometime
07:48:35	QT	i recently recorded a live DVD of Placebo and without MP3 recording it would have hit the filesize limit
07:48:45	LinusN	we want mp3 recording, but there aren't any open source realtime mp3 encoders around
07:49:04	LinusN	the iriver filesize limit is plain silly
07:49:21	QT	i agree
07:49:37	LinusN	abviously, rockbox doesn't have it
07:49:37	QT	well, if that limit isn't there with rockbox, then i prefer WAV recording :-)
07:49:44	QT	great!
07:49:59	LinusN	rockbox has a limit of 2Gb, because of the FAT32 file system
07:50:11	LinusN	but it will automatically continue in a new file
07:50:34	QT	i thought FAT has a limit of 4GB
07:50:45	QT	oh, that is such great news. thanks
07:50:51	LinusN	that's correct
07:50:56	QT	i am so happy to have bought the 'richt' player :-)
07:51:00	QT	aehm right
07:51:11	LinusN	but many FAT32 implementations have problems with >2Gb files
07:51:33	LinusN	(because of signed 32-bit arithmetics)
07:51:58	QT	2GB is a good size anyway. no problem with such a limit
07:52:11	QT	especially considering the encoder creates a new file on the fly
07:52:34	LinusN	you can also split the file on custom time limits
07:53:13	LinusN	like 74 minutes, for example
07:53:23	QT	i buy that!
07:53:28	QT	:-)
07:54:02	QT	oh, FLAC support listed
07:54:08	QT	that would be neat
07:54:18	QT	i should ripped all my CDs to FLAC instead of MP3
07:54:53	LinusN	:-)
07:55:58	QT	btw, will the iriver port also run on other iriver players one day?
07:56:02	QT	like the H10?
07:56:16	LinusN	H10 is most likely out of reach
07:56:31	LinusN	it uses the PortalPlayer chipset
07:56:39	LinusN	same as ipod
07:56:39	QT	pitty
07:56:46	QT	as it seems to be a nice player
07:57:00	QT	and i heard something about a 20GB version in the future
07:57:21	LinusN	the portalplayer chipset documentation is secret
07:57:49	QT	i see. again, i am happy to have bought the right player :-)
07:58:01	LinusN	:-)
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08:03:04	QT	have you ever been contacted by iriver since you started to work on a port?
08:03:10	LinusN	nope
08:09:51	QT	i wonder if they care about this......
08:10:05	LinusN	i don't think they do
08:10:26	LinusN	but on the other hand, they might do the same thing as archos started to do
08:10:35	QT	which is?
08:10:42	LinusN	i.e refuse repairs of devices with rockbox on them
08:10:44	QT	never dealt with archis
08:11:00	QT	ok, i would expect that
08:11:34	LinusN	i can understand that they refuse warranty repairs
08:11:48	QT	yep. me too
08:12:09	LinusN	but apparently, they have recently started refusing paid repars as well
08:12:27	LinusN	and that annoys me a little
08:12:34	QT	uh, that is weird
08:12:40	LinusN	indeed
08:12:59	QT	the device belongs to the person who bought it
08:13:08	QT	and he can do with it what ever he likes
08:13:19	LinusN	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=583.new#new
08:14:16	LinusN	it's a little unfair to say that they refused the paid repair
08:14:19	QT	what a pain in the a**!
08:14:49	QT	why unfair?
08:14:52	LinusN	but they refused to ackowledge the warranty of the paid repair, since he had run rockbox
08:14:54	QT	it seems to be the truth
08:15:14	QT	quote: "When I sent it to Archos for repair they refused to repair it because Rockbox was on..."
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08:15:36	LinusN	so they claim he voided the warranty of the repair by running rockbox
08:16:13	QT	good to know. another vendor to strike from the list
08:16:22	QT	s/from/off
08:16:31	LinusN	iriver just might follow their example
08:16:48	LinusN	time will tell
08:16:58	QT	pitty you can't get things without a vendor ;)
08:17:16	LinusN	it's a very convenient way for them to avoid warranty repairs
08:17:28	QT	so far i only had 1 time contact with iriver customer care (in germany)
08:17:34	QT	yep
08:17:55	QT	i had asked the service if they can swap the brown fugly bag with a black one
08:18:10	QT	initially they said no
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08:18:32	QT	then i told them that this will make me order 2 units via mail order, swap bags myself and return 1 unit again
08:18:49	QT	i kindly asked again if they did not have any returned (broken) units with a black bag
08:19:04	QT	ups, all a sudden i was given a blach bag for free :-)
08:19:13	LinusN	nice of them
08:19:22	QT	yep. shipped home from free
08:19:34	QT	it was a lady and she said she found one in the repair center
08:19:37	LinusN	in general, i think irivers return policy is extremely generous
08:19:42	QT	so far yes
08:19:58	QT	luckuy me, i did not have to return my unit yet. fingers crossed!
08:20:12	LinusN	you can break it in any way, and they replace it
08:20:33	LinusN	why they do that is beyond me
08:23:07	QT	dunno either
08:23:15	QT	time for a coffee - off for a while - cu
08:29:55	dwihno	Hm
08:30:04	dwihno	Re-ripping all CD's to flac might be a tedious task :)
08:30:16	LinusN	not if he only has 3 :-)
08:30:32	dwihno	It's more like 100 or so
08:31:08	dwihno	A disk devoted to flac files :)
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08:34:50	dwihno	hm...
08:34:54	dwihno	does lame take flac input?
08:35:01	LinusN	i doubt it
08:36:47	dwihno	perhaps it's possible to use some kind of piping then
08:37:15	dwihno	cat blah.flac\|flacdecode (or whatever it is)\|lame -options -
08:37:16	dwihno	or something
08:37:37	dwihno	but what should one do under windows? :) bash scripts?
08:37:46	dwihno	using cygwin or such
08:37:50	dwihno	dunno really
08:39:53	Bagder	aaah! fresh coffee and sunshine, what a morning!
08:41:11	dwihno	Someone's hidden the chokladbollar! :(
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08:47:45	Bagder	hehe
08:48:39	dwihno	but where are they?
08:48:42	LinusN	burp
08:48:44	dwihno	I just made myself a nice cup of tea
08:48:52	*	Bagder looks innocent and whistles
08:48:56	dwihno	And I want a chokladboll to go with it!
08:48:57	dwihno	You two!
08:49:00	dwihno	I sense a conspiracy! :)
08:49:12	LinusN	yum yum
08:49:42	LinusN	i just might skip lunch today...not hungry anymore :-)
08:49:45	dwihno	:)
08:49:48	dwihno	You... you...
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09:16:03	usr	so...
09:16:11	usr	will korean be supported in rockbox?
09:16:27	Bagder	yes please
09:16:36	LinusN	we are looking into unicode support
09:16:37	usr	i jus saw da pix someone uploaded and krn wasnt there..
09:16:39	usr	hmm oh ok
09:16:59	LinusN	i don't know much about korean
09:17:18	usr	i do :)
09:17:29	usr	(haha not that it will help)
09:17:43	usr	(or maybe)
09:17:46	LinusN	how does the alphabet look like?
09:18:17	Bagder	isn't it kanji, like chinise/japanese?
09:18:39	usr	http://thinkzone.wlonk.com/Language/Korean.gif
09:18:47	usr	i think kanji is japanese only
09:18:54	Bagder	oh, ok
09:19:07	Bagder	shows how much I know ;-)
09:19:12	LinusN	is it left-to-right or right-to-left?
09:19:15	usr	haha im not sure either
09:19:16	usr	left to right
09:19:36	LinusN	then you can start start translating it today
09:19:43	LinusN	as long as you have a font
09:20:11	usr	hmm well i got buncha korean fonts but i dunno which one is usable for rockbox
09:20:47	LinusN	almost any bdf font would work
09:21:23	usr	hmm bdf font is kinda like icons right?
09:21:47	LinusN	no, it's a bitmap font
09:22:15	usr	well, yea that's what i meant... (arent ico files basically bmps?)
09:22:26	usr	well anyways, why is translation necessary?
09:23:06	usr	i was wondering about the tag support (or... are you guys tyring to make the menu in korean too?)
09:23:19	LinusN	of course
09:23:49	usr	hmm ic
09:24:09	usr	what's iriver's response to this project by the way?
09:24:26	Bagder	none
09:24:26	LinusN	none yet
09:25:10	usr	hmm i've read some posts in some korean web sites and it seems to me that they (kinda) know what this is all about
09:25:31	dwihno	they should know unless they are living under some rocks :)
09:25:39	usr	except for some misunderstandings (coldfire emulator represented as the gameboy emulator...)
09:26:14	LinusN	usr: is there an ASCII table (code page) for korean?
09:26:31	usr	not sure actually
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09:27:14	usr	i think so
09:29:31	LinusN	wow, 183 combinations of syllables
09:30:28	usr	haha yea it's complicated to implant but easy to learn
09:30:35	usr	oops, kanji is chinese
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09:33:04	Bagder	"Kanji are one of the five character sets used in the modern Japanese writing system"
09:33:13	Bagder	according to wikipedia
09:33:23	bobdbob	yeah
09:33:32	bobdbob	kanji are in japanese, borrowed from chinese
09:33:51	bobdbob	but japanese is also katakana and hiragana - two alphabets
09:34:25	usr	hmm so i WAS right the first time... (google has fooled me again)
09:35:47	usr	well, i dont know much about language programming but im sure i can get some info if i post some questions in iriver korea's forum
09:37:29	usr	cool, the whole page of their freeboard is filled with gruntled comments from the users
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09:44:02	usr	hmm, anyways, if you guys need some translating job, pm "user" at misticrivier
09:44:04	usr	good luck
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16:58:10	Lynx_	what's a jig?
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17:01:03	preglow	a dance
17:01:05	preglow	of some sort
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17:02:25	Lynx_	hehe
17:02:45	Bagder	hey, logbot is a dancer! ;-)
17:03:56	preglow	well, i sure as hell am not, so it can take it from here
17:04:20	Bagder	and in fact, the irc daemon used here is called dancerircd
17:05:04	preglow	never had much experience with ircd
17:07:04	Ctcp	Version from thegeek!na@ti521110a080-4599.bb.online.no
17:08:19	Lynx_	and how is logbot a dancer?
17:08:31	Bagder	the bot is called dancer
17:08:34	Lynx_	ah
17:08:35	Bagder	the software
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17:08:50	Lynx_	can it do stuff besides logging?
17:08:56	Bagder	lots
17:09:00	Lynx_	and dancing ;)
17:09:15	Lynx_	logbot: dance
17:09:21	Bagder	but I don't think much of the other stuff is setup much
17:09:26	Lynx_	needs to be implemented ;)
17:09:53	preglow	i thought you wrote logbot yourself
17:10:05	Bagder	well, we did
17:10:11	preglow	why, you have
17:10:11	preglow	heh
17:10:12	Bagder	but you know, open source...
17:10:21	Bagder	dancer.sf.net
17:10:29	preglow	yeah, i found it
17:10:50	Lynx_	hmm, there sure are a lot of commands...
17:11:39	preglow	only bots im familiar are eggdrop and my own
17:11:55	Bagder	dancer is fairly old
17:13:51	preglow	good god, i need to initiate tiredness prevention tactics
17:23:41	Lynx_	like coffee?
17:24:22	preglow	why, exactly that, as a matter of fact
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18:49:18	t0mas	hm...
18:49:26	t0mas	who setup the cvs and things like that for rockbox?
18:49:29	t0mas	Bagder?
18:49:45	t0mas	or Linus?
18:49:56	stevenm	Is there a way for me to possibly get CVS access? I wanna shove the midi codec there
18:50:47	stevenm	aw rats, class over. never mind
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19:57:04	stevenm	Hello people
19:57:24	stevenm	Is it possible for me to get CVS access to put my codec in there?
19:59:28	preglow	you tested it on a device yet?
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20:02:37	stevenm	preglow, no
20:03:12	stevenm	preglow, I finished the envelope stuff, now I guess someone should test it in device. But I have no idea where to even begin - don't know any hardware specific functions
20:03:26	t0mas	preglow? do you know who setup cvs for rockbox?
20:03:51	stevenm	preglow, right now it's a MIDI player with one function, pc dependent. how to make it into a plug-in, I don't have the first clue
20:04:08	preglow	bagder, linus
20:04:13	preglow	and zagor, i guess
20:04:21	preglow	stevenm: does it build for the device?
20:04:26	t0mas	ok, I'll ask Bagder
20:05:05	stevenm	preglow, I am not sure, but guessing not.
20:05:30	stevenm	preglow, I don't really know how to set up the dev. environment. I got a working toolchain but not sure how to get it to use the rockbox includes / where they even are.
20:05:47	stevenm	preglow, plus it complains about things such as malloc and file i/o and obviously printf
20:05:49	preglow	linux og cygwin?
20:05:53	stevenm	preglow, linux
20:06:05	preglow	well, it should be simple
20:06:22	preglow	just get cvs binutils, and gcc, build them according to wiki pages
20:06:32	stevenm	preglow, .... gentoo linux.
20:06:38	preglow	and then set some env variables, and get entire three from cvs
20:06:42	preglow	i use gentoo as well
20:06:50	stevenm	and yours built ?
20:06:51	preglow	s/three/tree/
20:06:54	preglow	yes
20:06:56	preglow	nicely
20:06:57	stevenm	wow
20:07:04	preglow	i did it manually
20:07:14	stevenm	I tried too, as the wiki says
20:07:33	stevenm	mine complained like there it no tomorrow. I ended up giving up and got binaries from another developer
20:07:53	preglow	well, if you've got binaries, there should be no trouble
20:08:14	preglow	set PATH to pick up the tools
20:08:16	preglow	then just go
20:08:19	preglow	no further issues
20:08:27	stevenm	check out everything from CVS ?
20:08:30	preglow	but if you want it in cvs, you have to set it up locally first
20:08:31	preglow	yes
20:08:34	preglow	check out rockbox-devel
20:08:59	stevenm	all right
20:09:06	stevenm	then, where does my code come in
20:09:28	preglow	well, you obviously have to insert it in the tree
20:09:31	preglow	apps/codecs is the place
20:09:54	preglow	then make it build, make a midi2wav, etc
20:09:59	stevenm	by the way, all these tools have names in the form m68-elf-whatever
20:10:05	preglow	indeed
20:10:07	stevenm	is this fine?
20:10:12	preglow	yes, they have to
20:10:17	stevenm	ok
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20:10:32	MoosCamaro	hello all
20:11:22	stevenm	hi
20:11:30	stevenm	okay, checking out rockbox-devel
20:11:38	stevenm	preglow, by the way, do we really need volume envelopes?
20:12:15	preglow	well, if you want to play the patches the way they're meant to sounds, yes, you need them
20:12:32	stevenm	all right. I mean it works and all, but it just seems like so much more work
20:12:47	preglow	shouldn't be too much work
20:12:53	stevenm	and in most cases the difference isn't that apparent compared to how much extra power is needed do handle decays, etc
20:13:08	stevenm	If you follow their decay rates, you have more notes playing at the same time
20:13:16	preglow	yup
20:13:20	stevenm	that's just more voices to play, in general
20:13:28	preglow	but it sure sounds natural compared to sudden cut of notes
20:13:34	stevenm	true
20:13:55	stevenm	I had my own decay routine that had a little bit of decay
20:13:56	preglow	for looping sounds i'd say it's a must
20:14:02	preglow	ok
20:14:04	stevenm	it sounded not cut off, but not like, pedal down either
20:14:08	preglow	but really
20:14:13	preglow	envelopes aren't that intensive
20:14:14	stevenm	well right now it's implemented, etc. seems to work
20:14:17	HCl	hey
20:14:20	stevenm	hi
20:14:22	preglow	they're an add and a mul
20:14:26	preglow	plus some branch logic
20:14:28	preglow	HCl: yo
20:14:52	HCl	how goes?
20:14:55	stevenm	preglow, yes.. I guess it looks overwhelming because of how much code there is. like, if statements, fetch the new one, etc
20:15:02	preglow	goes good, tired as hell, apart from that, fine
20:15:33	stevenm	preglow, do you by any chance know anything about PICs ?
20:15:39	preglow	very little, depends
20:16:01	stevenm	I am looking for a linux based tool that will program either using the JDM programmer or using the microchip ICD
20:16:26	preglow	then i have no idea
20:16:32	stevenm	mplab builds and assembles on windows emulator, but the dialogs dont draw right, so can't use ICD
20:16:37	stevenm	wooo it built
20:17:41	stevenm	preglow, so what about file i/o? getc() work?
20:17:49	preglow	well
20:17:52	preglow	have a look in the plugin api
20:17:59	preglow	'cause that's what you'll be using
20:19:29	stevenm	all right.. so all the calls have to be done using the rb struct ?
20:19:33	preglow	docs/PLUGIN_API
20:19:33	preglow	yes
20:19:39	preglow	but plugin.h is probably more recent
20:19:41	stevenm	wait, plugin api or codec api ?
20:20:31	preglow	codec api is not yet made, but once it is, it will very probably resemble the plugin api
20:20:38	stevenm	oh ok, cool
20:20:54	stevenm	and any patch data, I can put in /.rockbox/patches ?
20:20:58	stevenm	woah!
20:20:58	preglow	for now, you'll just have to make it a regular plugin
20:21:02	stevenm	ok
20:21:07	preglow	stevenm: sounds like an ok place to put it
20:21:21	preglow	name 'patches' might be misleading, though
20:21:33	preglow	at least name it midipatches or something
20:21:33	stevenm	our physics guy just set this huge thing bouncing on a spring and it flew off and kinda flew thru the lecutre hall
20:21:43	stevenm	preglow, all right... patches -> soundset ?
20:21:44	preglow	haha
20:21:47	stevenm	or something like that, yea
20:21:50	preglow	yes
20:21:52	preglow	sounds even better
20:22:03	stevenm	cool
20:22:20	stevenm	what about storage? final thing is like, I think 27 mb compressed.
20:22:44	stevenm	this will have to be an add-on download, right?
20:22:49	preglow	hmm?
20:22:54	stevenm	for the patchset.
20:22:58	preglow	ahh, yes
20:23:04	preglow	most certainly an optional download
20:23:11	stevenm	given how it's 37 megs, prolly not a good idea to put it in by default
20:23:17	preglow	hell no
20:23:19	stevenm	er 27.. 3something unpacked
20:23:34	preglow	still
20:23:42	preglow	samples will be distributed in a file somewhere
20:23:45	stevenm	yea
20:24:01	stevenm	I went thru and picked out just the ones that are needed by this config.. but its still a lot
20:24:40	preglow	but ok
20:24:48	preglow	what standard functions do you use in the lib?
20:24:55	preglow	malloc most certainly has to go
20:25:04	preglow	you'll have to use the mp3 buffer and manage it yourself
20:25:09	stevenm	malloc I will have to write myself
20:25:24	preglow	well, you won't need malloc as such
20:25:27	stevenm	It only allocates.. doesn't free() anything unless its done playing
20:25:41	preglow	you just treat the mp3 buffer as one big buffer that has been alloced
20:25:43	preglow	you don't need to free
20:25:44	stevenm	so just add X bytes to the pointer to the begnning of free memory
20:25:49	preglow	you just abandon data when you're done with it
20:25:56	stevenm	yea I figured
20:26:00	stevenm	I need a getc()
20:26:00	preglow	a pointer will show where data can be overwritten
20:26:07	stevenm	yea
20:26:21	stevenm	I need to open a file, get a character from it, and seek
20:26:47	stevenm	seek is only used in one place but it makes the track loader more memory efficient
20:26:55	preglow	seek is ok, no getc, you need to use read()
20:27:01	stevenm	ok
20:27:07	stevenm	read() should work
20:27:11	stevenm	there is a fopen / fclose?
20:27:14	preglow	well, of course :)
20:27:19	preglow	no, you have the posix ones
20:27:22	preglow	open()/close()
20:27:22	stevenm	I mean, like, same as the C ones
20:27:28	stevenm	all right
20:27:31	preglow	yes, they resemble them
20:27:34	stevenm	and what is the file type? FILE * ?
20:27:40	preglow	int
20:27:44	stevenm	ok
20:27:45	preglow	just look in apps/plugin.h
20:27:51	stevenm	all right
20:27:52	preglow	line 179 and down
20:27:54	preglow	there are the file ones
20:28:28	stevenm	ah here it is
20:29:09	stevenm	preglow, I also use an fscanf in 2 places to parse a simple ascii .config
20:29:30	stevenm	which tells me which .pat file to use for what instrument
20:30:01	stevenm	I could do like, 0.pat 1.pat 2.pat etc, but that would make making new sets anoying
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20:33:46	preglow	don't think there is a scanf, but the parsing shouldn't be too hard
20:35:19	stevenm	preglow, yea, if anything, I can write that using read probably
20:36:19	preglow	exactly, should be easy
20:36:25	preglow	or at least doable
20:43:08	stevenm	ah
20:43:19	stevenm	sorry, went away for a bit. god, physics is BORING
20:43:26	stevenm	the guy just praddles on and on and on
20:43:39	stevenm	if there is a lesson plan, I have yet to find it
20:43:43	preglow	physics never was my favourite, no
20:43:59	preglow	it's makes for an interesting read, but that's that
20:44:23	stevenm	at least usually one of my friends shows up and we hop on our laptops. but he's at home sleeping
20:44:29	stevenm	well, that's true
20:44:34	preglow	mentioning sleep...
20:44:39	stevenm	oop, sorry
20:45:24	preglow	tried some reading a couple of hours ago, was futile
20:45:39	stevenm	haha
20:49:48	stevenm	fisix over
20:49:52	stevenm	back in a few minutes.
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20:57:13	MoosCamaro	hi Linus
20:59:20	MoosCamaro	Linus excuse me, you know if the central joystic of iriver can it replace?
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21:00:26	MoosCamaro	my pad begin to tire, the left side is bad
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21:01:32	stevenm	me back
21:01:58	MoosCamaro	anyone can help me please
21:03:12	stevenm	whats up
21:04:07	MoosCamaro	the pad of my iriver tired, i want just know if can it replace
21:05:58	MoosCamaro	if i want go left it too perceptible
21:06:30	MoosCamaro	i've got it since more of 1 year
21:06:44	LinusN	it can be replaced, but you have to find one
21:07:22	preglow	i believe a 'good luck' is in order
21:07:47	MoosCamaro	hi Linus, i'm not technician
21:08:16	LinusN	then you have to find a friend who is...
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21:09:01	MoosCamaro	you know, the iriver is so rare in france
21:10:06	MoosCamaro	solders are necessary?
21:10:22	LinusN	yes
21:10:33	muesli-	g'day mates
21:10:41	MoosCamaro	oups
21:11:46	muesli-	i have seen an i140 for 420e on ebay last time..
21:13:12	MoosCamaro	think you it's possible to make it if i'm not practitioner?
21:14:13	LinusN	MoosCamaro: not sure
21:14:34	MoosCamaro	ok Linus thanks
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21:25:13	HCl	420e ?
21:25:18	HCl	i bought mine new for that price, heh
21:25:35	LinusN	MoosCamaro: does the joystick work at all?
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21:29:51	MoosCamaro	joystick work for the 4 direction, but it begin don't be accurate, especially the left side
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21:32:19	MoosCamaro	i must touch hardly the left side
21:33:16	LinusN	MoosCamaro: ok
21:35:42	LinusN	iRiver! iRiver! Catch the digital flow! (Don't know)?? Haa. Music, easier than ever. Mobility! Simplicity! Superiority! The most discreet way, to fiercely express yourself. Can you (Don't know)?? Catch the digital flow! iRiver!
21:35:56	LinusN	best song ever :-)
21:39:21	Rick	lol
21:48:10	preglow	hahah
21:48:16	preglow	i never did understand the words
21:48:20	preglow	i never tried either
21:49:23	LinusN	found the lyrics in the misticriver forum :-)
21:50:05	preglow	hmm, i wonder how those iaudio players look like naked
21:52:20	preglow	i think someone mentioned coldfires
21:53:39	LinusN	rumours say the m3 has a 5249
21:54:52	preglow	is the ram in the h1x0 slow for that type of ram, btw?
21:56:02	LinusN	what type of ram?
21:56:23	LinusN	you mean if it's slow for being sdram?
21:56:26	preglow	the sdram
21:56:36	preglow	yes
21:56:47	LinusN	no, the ram speed is not an issue
21:56:59	LinusN	iAudio: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.785
21:57:19	LinusN	looks like we have a new target :-)
21:57:39	preglow	bab
21:57:40	preglow	hah <-
21:57:54	preglow	that joystick looks really cumbersome
21:58:18	LinusN	can't be worse than the H100
21:58:27	preglow	i guess not
21:58:40	LinusN	koreans must have sticky fingers
21:58:45	preglow	hmm, perhaps i should give imdct_l another go now that i have some time
21:58:55	preglow	small sticky fingers
21:59:02	LinusN	better hurry, mp3 playback is coming closer every day
21:59:23	CoCoLUS	wakesuponhearingthat
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22:00:02	LinusN	i had hoped to have it running today, but it turned out to be more work than i expected
22:00:43	preglow	never heard that one before!
22:01:30	LinusN	so i ended up cleaning the car adapter mode first
22:01:52	LinusN	which actually was a step towards mp3 playback, believe it or not
22:02:03	CoCoLUS	the car adapter mode?
22:02:08	CoCoLUS	hows that?
22:02:17	preglow	i wonder where this extra shift in fractional mode comes from...
22:02:45	LinusN	it's an archos feature, that autostarts the playback when the external voltage is on
22:03:14	LinusN	and stops when the voltage disappears again
22:03:26	CoCoLUS	but how does it help mp3 playback?
22:03:55	LinusN	the car adapter mode was using the playback code in a kind of nast way
22:04:00	LinusN	nasty
22:04:25	LinusN	so cleaning it up makes it easier to modify the playback code for iriver
22:04:51	CoCoLUS	ic
22:05:02	CoCoLUS	so... how is ogg coming along? ;)
22:05:11	preglow	not at all
22:05:16	preglow	it's butt slow and no one is looking at it
22:06:03	CoCoLUS	sounds nice
22:06:39	preglow	but it'll get there, i'll turn to it when i have the time
22:07:28	preglow	i hate and despise motorola for implementing mac this way
22:09:03	CoCoLUS	write a complaint letter :)
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22:10:40	preglow	h140 there yet? :>
22:14:11	amiconn	Most likely not
22:22:11	HCl	hehe
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22:45:01	HCl	okay
22:45:11	HCl	we're free to use any of bluechips code if we want to
22:45:34	HCl	he requests we'd add a link to the original public domain code if we do
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22:47:06	HCl	hey xshock
22:47:20	XShocK	hi
22:47:23	HCl	sup?
22:48:01	XShocK	the paint of my iriver started bumping..
22:48:05	HCl	ack
22:48:11	HCl	what color did you have it?
22:48:15	XShocK	black
22:48:20	LinusN	HCl: what code are you referring to?
22:48:30	HCl	LinusN: his othello game and his audio filters
22:48:46	LinusN	the audio stuff is archos-only
22:48:53	HCl	yea, i figured that
22:49:43	*	muesli- yawns at hcl
22:49:48	*	HCl dies
22:50:03	HCl	look what you did! x.x; utters that at his last breath
22:50:12	muesli-	:D
22:51:09	XShocK	it just falls off..:(
22:51:37	muesli-	btw does anybody know who coded sokoban?
22:52:01	Bagder	why?
22:52:34	muesli-	it would be wonderful if all levels would be loaded into memory by start
22:52:34	XShocK	Bagder: are you saying it to me?
22:52:48	Bagder	no, to muesli-
22:52:53	Bagder	it doesn't matter who wrote it
22:53:03	Bagder	but Eric Linenberg did
22:53:09	muesli-	its loading after every level
22:53:13	Bagder	yes
22:53:18	Bagder	so it should
22:53:33	muesli-	costs too much battery for keep the hdd busy :-/
22:53:33	Bagder	since Archos has very limited memory
22:53:51	HCl	well, we could make it load everything into mem for iriver targets
22:53:51	LinusN	and yes, we can make it load all levels on the iriver if we want to
22:53:59	Bagder	then make an iRiver version that does differently
22:54:02	muesli-	hi linus :)
22:54:05	HCl	>.>
22:54:12	HCl	nods at 3 of them all saying the same thing
22:54:18	Bagder	asking for the oroginal author won't help
22:54:23	Bagder	original
22:54:27	Paleo	Hi
22:54:36	Paleo	Is the port to GMIni XS200 almost over ?
22:54:55	Bagder	Paleo: it is almost dead, I'd say
22:55:06	Paleo	sh*t :(
22:55:21	LinusN	seems jyp got tired, or busy with other things
22:55:34	Bagder	jyp is very very veeeeery alone
22:55:52	Paleo	jyp is the maintener of the port ?
22:56:00	Bagder	he is the port
22:56:08	Bagder	:*)
22:56:31	Paleo	lol
22:57:47	Bagder	but yes, he does seems to do everything gmini-related
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23:00:30	Paleo	that's sad
23:00:43	Paleo	i'd really like to try rockbox on my XS200 :(
23:01:05	Bagder	join in and help
23:01:37	Paleo	I'm no programmer, sadly
23:04:27	preglow	the gmini port is bound to be a lot of work
23:15:59		Quit tvelocity (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
23:20:53	t0mas	pfew...
23:20:57	*	t0mas fixed his libpam..
23:21:13	t0mas	stressfull working when you know you can't login when anything breaks :)
23:22:17	preglow	telnet
23:22:19	preglow	!
23:22:25	t0mas	don't have telnet :)
23:22:37	preglow	it's pretty mandatory for those kinds of problems, heh
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23:23:18	preglow	there, mpegdec url placed in wiki for those mad/heroic enough to prod at it
23:25:46	preglow	LinusN: what you're working on is mpeg only playback, i assume? like in no codec api?
23:26:40	LinusN	first goal is to write the basic playback code, with the mp3 decoder
23:26:50	preglow	yup
23:27:02	LinusN	then we will see how the multicodec stuff evolves
23:27:48	preglow	i wonder how cpu intensive speex is
23:27:53	preglow	perhaps that could be used for the menus
23:28:06	preglow	and perhaps it wont require lots of iram to operate
23:28:22	preglow	it has recently gotten a fixed point implementation, i think
23:28:56	LinusN	how does it work?
23:29:20	preglow	you mean how it codes its data?
23:29:22	LinusN	what languages does it support?
23:29:40	preglow	its a waveform codec
23:29:44	preglow	you feed it wavs
23:30:07	preglow	no fancy synthesizing, but now that you mention it, that is feasible
23:30:50	LinusN	ah, thought it was a synth, but it's a codec
23:31:08	preglow	just a codec meant for speech
23:31:19	preglow	good quality in wideband mode
23:31:21	LinusN	celp
23:31:24	preglow	yup
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23:32:09	preglow	i was just pondering of the feasability of having one slot, and hence all iram, for the music codec, and using a special speech codec that can operate without iram for menus
23:32:10	LinusN	looks interesting
23:33:40	Bagder	http://subversion.tigris.org/subversion-linus.html
23:35:18	preglow	hmm, that's an interesting situation
23:36:17	Bagder	yeah
23:37:03	Camilo	we're fighting version control systems at work
23:37:51	Camilo	bk vs clearcase
23:37:56		Quit muesli- (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
23:38:09	Bagder	the two monsters :-)
23:38:26	Camilo	yeah I don't particularly like either
23:38:31	*	preglow strokes subversion

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