#rockbox 2005-04-07

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#rockbox log for 2005-04-07

00:03:28		Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving")
00:17:04	*	preglow goes mad
00:17:31	Bagder	libmad?
00:17:34	Bagder	:-P
00:18:05	preglow	haha, i'm too tired to see the pun
00:20:14	HCl	:p
00:23:24	t0mas	LinusN?
00:23:33	t0mas	have you setup the cvs email thing for rockbox?
00:23:58	Bagder	t0mas: its mostly me and zagor
00:24:03	t0mas	ok
00:24:16	t0mas	can you give me the line you use in loginfo?
00:24:46	Bagder	^firmware /usr/bin/syncmail -C4 -u -S "$USER: " %1{sVv} rockbox-cvs@cool.haxx.se
00:24:58	t0mas	tnx
00:25:01	Bagder	this is using Debian's syncmail
00:25:09	t0mas	yeah, I have debian
00:25:14	t0mas	so I'll install syncmail :)
00:25:28	Bagder	ok, because the options differed slightly from the previous syncmail we used
00:25:52	t0mas	ok
00:32:10	LinusN	time to go to sleep
00:32:20	preglow	gnight
00:32:28	t0mas	ah... good idea :)
00:32:29	t0mas	night
00:32:35	LinusN	cu tomorrow
00:32:38	*	t0mas is going to bed too
00:32:39	preglow	it'll attend to itself soon in my case
00:32:42	t0mas	c ya :)
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02:44:12	HCl	its too quiet!
02:44:21	*	HCl sues everyone here for not talking enough :x
02:57:24	thegeek	oh noes.
02:57:28	thegeek	:P
02:57:30	HCl	:p
02:57:31	HCl	yay
02:57:37	HCl	i think we can go for a settlement
02:57:41	HCl	now that there are people talking
02:57:42	HCl	:P
02:58:16	thegeek	;)
02:58:23	HCl	sup?
02:58:37	thegeek	not much
02:58:56	thegeek	I find myself spending 50% of my time beeing bored
02:58:58	thegeek	not good.
02:59:01	thegeek	so.
02:59:06	thegeek	time to buy some new hardware
02:59:15	thegeek	I'm thinking of buying a force feedback wheel
02:59:28	HCl	ohh.
02:59:29	HCl	i have that.
02:59:33	HCl	unfortunately
02:59:34	thegeek	you do?
02:59:37	thegeek	heh
02:59:38	HCl	my geforce 4 ti4200
02:59:39	thegeek	not good?
02:59:41	HCl	malfunctions so much
02:59:42	thegeek	oh
02:59:42	thegeek	;)
02:59:43	thegeek	ah
02:59:44	DBUG	Enqueued KICK thegeek
02:59:44	thegeek	hehe
02:59:45	HCl	that i don't get to use it x.x;
02:59:46	thegeek	I'm too fast
02:59:48	thegeek	mhm
02:59:50	thegeek	that sucks
02:59:51	HCl	i really need to trade it for something similar
02:59:52	HCl	its like
02:59:54	thegeek	what wheel is it?
02:59:56	HCl	that particular geforce
03:00
03:00:01	HCl	with my particular motherboard
03:00:05	HCl	thats just "omg no!
03:00:07	thegeek	;)
03:00:29	HCl	and they refuse to work together.
03:00:37	HCl	it just reboots if i try to run it in agp mode
03:00:40	thegeek	I had a 4200, until it b0rked, and I got a new crappy fx5700 for free
03:00:42	HCl	and geforce in pci mode is far from fast.
03:00:47	HCl	lucky.
03:00:47	thegeek	;)
03:00:50	HCl	i need to buy a new one
03:00:52	thegeek	well
03:00:56	HCl	or really, trade mine for someone's
03:00:56	thegeek	fx5700 is not faster
03:01:01	thegeek	actually a tiny bit slower
03:01:03	thegeek	;)
03:01:07	thegeek	I was like YAY
03:01:08	thegeek	when I got it
03:01:10	thegeek	but then..
03:01:12	thegeek	bah
03:01:47	thegeek	but hey
03:01:49	HCl	:3
03:01:50	HCl	well
03:01:51	HCl	i bought mine
03:01:52	thegeek	what wheel do have?
03:01:54	thegeek	and is it any good
03:02:00	HCl	with the idea that i could like
03:02:00	HCl	mod it into a quatrttro
03:02:02	HCl	quattro
03:02:06	thegeek	hehe
03:02:09	HCl	i have... um.
03:02:12	HCl	logitech.....
03:02:13	HCl	something.
03:02:22	thegeek	hehe
03:02:24	thegeek	oh well
03:02:28	HCl	momo or something
03:02:30	HCl	logitech momo
03:02:31	thegeek	ah
03:02:31	HCl	and yes
03:02:33	HCl	its quite good
03:02:36	thegeek	yeah
03:02:37	HCl	its just mostly the games
03:02:40	HCl	that don't support it.
03:02:45	thegeek	they dont?
03:02:45	thegeek	wtf?
03:02:55	HCl	only since need for speed underground they actually got good force feed back
03:02:56	thegeek	the momo?
03:03:00	HCl	anything lower and its just rumble
03:03:01	thegeek	yeah
03:03:01	thegeek	well
03:03:10	thegeek	I'm buying it to play simulators
03:03:11	thegeek	like
03:03:17	thegeek	www.racer.nl
03:03:19	thegeek	and
03:03:31	thegeek	live for speed
03:03:36	thegeek	it's kinda nice
03:03:39	HCl	aha o.o
03:03:40	HCl	well.
03:03:43	thegeek	because it's really realistic
03:03:49	HCl	the problem with gaming steering wheels
03:03:53	HCl	is that they're smaller (obviously)
03:04:04	HCl	and you can't turn them multiple times like a real car steering wheel
03:04:22	HCl	its just all the way counterclockwise and clockwise
03:04:27	HCl	without multiple turning of the wheel
03:04:35	HCl	so i don't know how much realism you'd have left
03:05:26	thegeek	ywell
03:05:34	thegeek	the logitech force feedback pro
03:05:35	thegeek	or something
03:05:41	thegeek	has like 900 degress rotation
03:05:45	thegeek	*degrees
03:05:54	HCl	nice
03:06:01	thegeek	yea
03:06:03	thegeek	but it's expensive
03:06:04	thegeek	;)
03:06:07	HCl	i must say that so far i've pretty much been really satisfied
03:06:12	HCl	with almost any logitech product i've bought
03:06:18	thegeek	I can't decide if I want to spend 1100 nok on just a wheel
03:06:21	thegeek	yea
03:06:22	thegeek	same here
03:06:27	thegeek	logitech is good
03:16:35	HCl	nok?
03:18:20	thegeek	norske kroner
03:18:22	thegeek	;)
03:18:29	HCl	how much is that in euro..
03:18:33	thegeek	norwegian unit of money
03:18:34	thegeek	hmm
03:18:39	thegeek	divide by 8
03:18:41	thegeek	roughly
03:18:42	HCl	mm, maybe i can find out
03:18:56	HCl	134
03:19:04	thegeek	mhm
03:19:04	HCl	sounds like a good price to me o.o
03:19:08	HCl	i bought mine for 118 or so
03:19:11	thegeek	mhm
03:19:25	thegeek	but they have this ferrari enzo wheel for 1/2 the price
03:19:27	thegeek	it is not as good
03:19:31	thegeek	and not as sturdy
03:19:31	thegeek	but..
03:19:36	thegeek	1/2 the price;)
03:19:57	HCl	cheapass :P
03:20:01	HCl	you like
03:20:05	thegeek	hehehe
03:20:07	HCl	can better buy something high quality
03:20:09	HCl	and have it last
03:20:12	HCl	than buy something crappy
03:20:15	HCl	and have it break quickly
03:20:20	thegeek	yeah
03:20:27	thegeek	that's exactly what I'm thinking too
03:20:30	thegeek	so
03:20:31	thegeek	argh
03:20:35	thegeek	the expensive one it is
03:20:36	thegeek	;)
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03:25:59	*	HCl ponders sueing a coffee company for making chocolate milk packets he can't open >.>
03:26:08	*	HCl goes to get scissors
03:27:24	thegeek	use your teeth man!
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03:28:55	HCl	yea
03:28:57	HCl	but thats like
03:29:03	HCl	chocolate powder everywhere
03:29:04	HCl	if i try that
03:29:05	HCl	>.>
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08:54:35	Bagder	LinusN: here?
08:54:50	LinusN	yup
08:54:59	Bagder	seen the broken h320 offer in the forum?
08:55:05	LinusN	already mailed him
08:55:11	Bagder	goodie
08:55:36	LinusN	i was thinking about the sleep time
08:55:39	LinusN	timer
08:55:59	LinusN	i haven't used it, have you?
08:56:07	Bagder	nope
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08:56:20	LinusN	i'd like an on+play menu in the wps
08:56:35	Bagder	I just play my huge playlist shuffled, that's about all I do with my archos ;-)
08:56:53	Bagder	me too
08:57:01	LinusN	i want to move the sleep timer logic from powermgmt to wps
08:57:11	LinusN	or at least apps/
08:58:26	Bagder	yes
08:58:40	LinusN	this may be a good use for a "send me this event after x ticks" kernel feature
08:59:42	Bagder	sounds like a good idea
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09:00:00	LinusN	but if we restrict the sleep timer function to the wps, we could get away with a simple TIME_AFTER()
09:02:34	LinusN	the kernel timer event feature would probably need to be able to retrigger, i.e update the timeout
09:03:29	LinusN	might be a little tricky
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09:04:50	LinusN	and i don't feel like inventing a complicated timer event system if it isn't really needed
09:05:09	Bagder	nah, let's try to avoid that
09:05:37	LinusN	but it might be unintuitive that the sleep timer only works if the wps is shown
09:05:45	Bagder	hehe, true
09:05:57	LinusN	(like the resume info works today...)
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09:06:52	LinusN	i could add another tick task, just like i did for the car adapter mode
09:09:49	LinusN	that is probably less expensive than a kernel tick task that compares ticks and sends events
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10:53:07	LinusN	cowon iaudio M3 and M5 use a coldfire 5249 :-)
10:53:55	Bagder	woo
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10:55:39	Bagder	looks like a neat player
10:55:43	LinusN	is the iaudio m3/m5 popular?
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10:56:32	Bagder	and there's no LCD on the player, only on the remote
10:56:44	LinusN	not the m5
10:56:51	Bagder	ah
10:57:17	LinusN	http://www5.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89269
10:57:21	Bagder	m5?
10:57:24	Bagder	http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/
10:57:29	Bagder	there's no M5 listed
10:58:40	ashridah	LinusN: yeah, and the player already supports FLAC
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11:00:18	bobTHC	hi all
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11:08:50	LinusN	wonderful! the clearcase server is down AGAIN!
11:09:10	LinusN	really great product...
11:09:14	Bagder	hehe
11:09:25	Bagder	uh, lunch-race!
11:10:05	LinusN	run, run!
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11:18:26	LinusN	hbacke: long time no see
11:19:08	hbacke	Hi, Real Life you know, but i read the irc logs
11:19:34	LinusN	got an iriver yet? :-)
11:20:25	hbacke	Not yet, I'll probaly wait for the 3xx port
11:21:31	hbacke	But I've got code for two new context in onplay (WPS and DB_TREE), intrested?
11:22:09	LinusN	yup
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11:27:01	hbacke	LinusN: The only major changes are Hijacking the on play combo in wps and moving som playlist and bookmark entries from the manin menu to onplay
11:27:17	LinusN	perfect
11:29:17	hbacke	LinusN: Do you want the patch, or shall i commit, either way I you'll have to wait until tomorrow evening :-/
11:29:29	LinusN	i'd like to see the patch
11:30:29	hbacke	OK, I'll send it as soon as get to my home computer.
11:30:33	LinusN	lunch time
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12:18:35	preglow	are there any nice ways of accessing structs from pure asm code? hard coding relative addresses does not count :>
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12:38:22	HCl	lol
12:38:25	HCl	why doesn't it?
12:41:27	preglow	compilers might suddenly change alignment
12:41:39	HCl	huh?
12:41:56	HCl	if you use a relative address, it shouldn't matter?
12:42:03	preglow	alignment of the members
12:42:11	HCl	ah.
12:42:15	HCl	i don't think you can.
12:42:26	preglow	it's not very probably, but does happen
12:42:28	HCl	compiler generated code to access structs are simply relative addresses
12:44:01	preglow	yes, but the compiler has knowledge of the exact alignment used
12:44:04	preglow	assemblers do not
12:44:11	HCl	i knoow
12:44:16	preglow	but i don't think i've got a choice
12:44:39	HCl	you could write a c function that puts struct members into other variables.
12:45:24	preglow	i'd rather just hard code it :P
12:45:25	preglow	but now: food
12:45:42	HCl	yea
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13:40:24	DJ_Dooms_Day	So, how goes the PCM playback? Any advances?
13:41:15	LinusN	i'm slowly working towards mp3 playback
13:43:19	LinusN	lots of work "paving the way" in the code though
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13:45:16	Lynx_	LinusN: no unnecessary breaks now ;)
13:48:26	LinusN	oh, sorry, won't happen again, promise...
13:49:31	Lynx_	hehe, and i don't even own and iriver
13:50:30	LinusN	go buy one
13:50:32	LinusN	now
13:53:24	Sucka	:)
13:56:26	Lynx_	wohoo, my dell tft just arrived. no more money for an iriver now ;)
13:57:22	HCl	13:23 <@Evo−−> maar zo'n ding heeft veel minder onderhoud
13:57:28	HCl	oops
13:57:30	HCl	mispaste
13:57:41	*	HCl slaps putty
13:57:44	HCl	it shouldn't paste on click
13:59:29	ashridah	you can change it to middle button
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14:00:26	Lynx_	why are you IRCing through putty?
14:00:42	ghode\|afk	hi, woujld it be possible for someone to compile a version of rockbox with the iriverfy plugin included?
14:01:07	HCl	Lynx_: because its handiest?
14:01:23	HCl	screen + multiple irssis
14:01:33	HCl	i can attach from anywhere, as long as i have internet
14:01:50	Lynx_	HCl: hmm, need to look up what exacly irssi is
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14:02:02	ashridah	yeah, i used to do thqat a lot
14:02:05	HCl	irc client.
14:02:08	ashridah	Lynx_: console-based irc client
14:02:22	ashridah	i used to run an irc client on my gateway and ssh to it and retreive it using screen
14:02:23	ghode\|afk	or maybe someone could commit it to cvs? :p
14:02:31	ashridah	less annoying than logging in/out
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14:04:04	Lynx_	hmm, i could use remote desktop, but that's a little much for irc ;)
14:04:24	Lynx_	considering i have to tunnel it through ssh anyway ;)
14:06:57	ashridah	yeah, it usually involves having a unixalike around.
14:07:14	ashridah	these days i just run X11 on my gateway
14:11:20	LinusN	do playlists have to be in a certain directory for the iriver firmware to play them?
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14:15:40	preglow	no, don't think so
14:15:45	HCl	no
14:15:46	ghode\|afk	yes
14:15:55	ghode\|afk	./playlists right?
14:15:57	rasher	woo, battery info!
14:16:16	HCl	as far as i know it just scans the disk for .m3u
14:16:23	ghode\|afk	okey
14:16:51	rasher	I think I remember seeing the playlist dir, but maybe they changed that at some point?
14:17:43	LinusN	the iriverify plugin is now added to cvs
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14:18:08	*	rasher promptly updates the wiki
14:18:13	*	HCl checksout
14:18:40	rasher	Go team!
14:19:10	preglow	someone want to optimize dct32? :V
14:19:20	rasher	Hrm, I should start building the tag-db
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14:27:41	rasher	Heh, again inaccurate keynames (Play > Select).. this time in RoLo
14:29:37	LinusN	saw that yesterday... :-)
14:32:02	rasher	The tag db is great! Shame it's such a bother switching to and from it on iRiver
14:35:05	preglow	i never did see a good reason to use it
14:35:34	rasher	Well my directory structure isn't as good
14:36:08	rasher	or rather, it's fine (for me), just doesn't give easy access to a single artist
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14:36:11	preglow	mine is impeccable :P
14:38:42	rasher	Battery Level Inaccurate .. that's not right
14:38:48	rasher	(wiki)
14:38:55	rasher	How about "Basic"?
14:39:07	B4gder	shoot
14:39:10	rasher	Judging by the commit message
14:39:16	B4gder	and prepare for a new storm on misticriver ;-)
14:39:28	ashridah	rasher: is it just displaying the output from the ADC?
14:39:34	ashridah	wouldn't 'overly accurate' be closer? :)
14:39:35	rasher	Yeah, they seem to think that every progress means "nearly done!"
14:41:47	rasher	ashridah: not sure exactly what it's doing.. LinusN?
14:41:54	Lynx_	B4gder: ups delivered my monitor an hour or so ago. got your's yet?
14:42:02	B4gder	got it today, yes
14:42:21	Lynx_	did you try it yet?
14:42:38	B4gder	no, I'm in the office at work now and the monitor is for home
14:42:42	LinusN	rasher: the battery level meter doesn't show the voltage, it shows the estimated time left
14:42:50	Lynx_	B4gder: hmm, same here
14:42:55	LinusN	based on the discharge curve
14:43:19	bobTHC	which monitor u choose finally ?
14:43:59	Lynx_	bobTHC: dell fp 2001, same as badger
14:45:10	bobTHC	and ure 1st impression ?
14:45:29	Lynx_	bobTHC: there are two cardboard boxes ;)
14:45:46	bobTHC	:)
14:45:53	Lynx_	i will look at it tonight, i just hope there are not too many dead pixels
14:47:26	Lynx_	but the nice thing with online orders (at least in germany): you can always send the stuff back within two weeks :)
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14:48:39	bobTHC	it's better because the dell dead px policy is a little bit borderline : "A display with 1 to 5 fixed pixels is within the industry standards, and is therefore considered an acceptable display."
14:48:52	bobTHC	ouch :/
14:50:18	Lynx_	well, i never looked at 1600x1200 displays, but i imagine ones without dead pixels are not as common as with smaller panels
14:50:23	preglow	ram a screwdriver into it at complain that yours has two thousand dead pixels, they'll surely take it back
14:50:48	LinusN	there are occasions where you can actually massage a dead pixel to life
14:50:56	LinusN	cpr :-)
14:51:23	Lynx_	preglow: hehe, the nice thing with the right to send it back within two weeks is that you don't have to give a reason at all. and the dealer pays for shipping it back, above a certain item value
14:51:35	preglow	Lynx_: i know, we've got the same thing in norway
14:51:39	ashridah	yeah, i imagine that if it's stuck because the floating thinggy inside is stuck, flexing the screen might dislodge and fix it
14:51:56	Lynx_	LinusN: is there a chance to kill all sourrounding pixels with the procedure? ;)
14:52:35	LinusN	unfortunately yes
14:52:45	LinusN	you have to be gentle
14:54:23	Lynx_	hmm, i have a pixel thats fixed on on the display i'm sitting at
14:55:43	rasher	(re password protection) I think a password stored on the harddisk would suffice. A thief is probably unlikely to know about rockbox and how to retrieve a password from it
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15:07:19	djmuz	hey guys
15:07:32	djmuz	i dont see iriverify on the open with menu
15:07:53	djmuz	and when i go to it on browse plugins i get some error
15:08:40	LinusN	oops
15:08:54	djmuz	just thought id tell ya
15:09:03	preglow	it probably needs to be put in viewers.config as well
15:09:42	rasher	Heh, the error when opening from the 'browse plugins' is fun
15:09:47	LinusN	yes
15:10:07	rasher	is that like 'not a real plugin'?
15:10:18	djmuz	i get a "cant read file: -11"
15:10:24	rasher	yes that
15:10:50	djmuz	surely it shudnt be in the plugins menu, but be in the open with menu only
15:11:11	rasher	a proper viewers.config would fix that I guess
15:11:50	djmuz	i wish i cud program and be able to fix that myself
15:11:51	LinusN	fixed in cvs
15:12:27	rasher	that's some report/response time :)
15:14:37	djmuz	cool how long will it take to compile?
15:15:01	LinusN	20 minutes
15:15:23	djmuz	i was wonderin, who has the server or watever thing that compiles it
15:16:12	LinusN	it is located at our employer's office
15:16:37	LinusN	we == i, bj�rn and daniel
15:16:37	bobTHC	Bandwidth and server
15:16:37	bobTHC	sponsored by:
15:16:37	djmuz	must be pretty powerful
15:16:53	LinusN	it's a dual athlon 1800
15:17:13	LinusN	debian linux
15:17:17	rasher	mmmm
15:17:45	djmuz	so is the current battery level quite inaccurate?
15:18:03	LinusN	nah
15:18:09	djmuz	it seems pretty good
15:18:11	rasher	I'd bet it's probably no worse than the iriver
15:18:13	LinusN	i think it's pretty good
15:18:58	djmuz	how on earth does it know wat the current level is tho, did you use them graphs?
15:19:06	LinusN	yup
15:19:15	djmuz	oh ok
15:19:19	rasher	Yay, I've done something useful :)
15:19:39	LinusN	\o/
15:19:45	djmuz	ooooo
15:19:57	djmuz	mp3 playback?
15:20:14	djmuz	i wud like jump and dance if it was
15:20:21	rasher	no, I mean
15:20:24	rasher	I did the graphs
15:20:36	rasher	and they were useful
15:20:41	djmuz	yeah nice one
15:20:44	rasher	So I feel all warm and fuzzy now
15:21:17	rasher	so boring though :\
15:22:16	djmuz	ooo the builds gonna complete soon yay
15:22:23	djmuz	otf playlists here i come
15:24:37	rasher	or you could just add this line to .rockbox/viewers.config
15:24:44	rasher	m3u,iriverify.rock,00 00 00 00 00 00
15:24:55	djmuz	yeah thats true
15:25:13	djmuz	i probly cud have guessed to put that in
15:25:20	djmuz	cos if u look at the ones above
15:25:23	djmuz	neway
15:28:06	djmuz	ok its on the "writing" stage, and has been for a while
15:28:24	rasher	probably takes a while
15:29:22	djmuz	i just went opened an mp3 with the iriverify plugin, and its still sayin that
15:29:33	rasher	and mp3?
15:29:38	rasher	an
15:29:40	djmuz	yeah
15:29:49	rasher	you're meant to open m3us
15:29:54	djmuz	ohcrap im ment to
15:29:58	djmuz	omg im so stupid
15:30:09	djmuz	wheres my pin gone
15:30:18	djmuz	the amount of times iv reset i tell ya
15:30:33	rasher	yeah
15:30:40	rasher	Same here
15:30:49	rasher	I think I've managed to wear the reset button a bit
15:31:02	rasher	it's sortof not in the right place now
15:31:12	djmuz	if i break hopefully iriver will replace
15:31:21	djmuz	they seem to be quite generous
15:31:29	HCl	reading assembly is boring
15:31:31	rasher	just be sure to remove rockbox first :)
15:31:49	djmuz	yeah
15:32:02	djmuz	but they probly just replace, without even looking at the damage
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15:33:03	LinusN	djmuz: did you have to reset???
15:33:26	djmuz	yes cos i was bein stupid
15:33:40	djmuz	i opened an mp3 with iriverfy
15:33:46	LinusN	it shouldnn't hang because of that
15:34:03	djmuz	it wud be nice if it checked that its an m3u
15:34:23	LinusN	are you sure it hangs?
15:34:31	preglow	HCl: what you reading for?
15:34:46	djmuz	either that or it stays on the "writing" bit for ages
15:34:47	HCl	preglow: reverse engineering this encryption of a piece of software i got
15:34:53	djmuz	i pressed stop and nothin happened
15:35:00	djmuz	the backlight didnt even come on
15:35:16	LinusN	oh
15:36:28	djmuz	i like beta testing
15:40:42	djmuz	just thought ud like to know that iriverify now works and i now have otf playlists yay
15:42:13	ashridah	so how do i trigger iriverify?
15:42:21	ashridah	i assume pressing play triggers the use of a playlist...
15:42:34	djmuz	create an m3u playlist as normal on rockbox, then open that m3u file with iriverfy
15:43:00	ashridah	djmuz: ah, but the 'with iriverify' bit is the bit that i'm missing
15:43:22	djmuz	yeah you need to get the latest build
15:43:46	ashridah	i have the latest cvs
15:43:59	ashridah	i don't know how to trigger the 'with iriverify' bit. specifically. ie, which buttons
15:44:15	djmuz	you go to the "open with" thing
15:44:22	djmuz	then at the bottom it shud say iriverfy
15:44:31	*	ashridah notes he has no idea which button does that
15:44:47	djmuz	hold the joystick in
15:44:57	ashridah	aha
15:45:24	ashridah	ta
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15:45:32	djmuz	working?
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15:46:01	ashridah	yeah
15:49:03	djmuz	how can i move the line cursor when renaming a file on the iriver?
15:49:22	djmuz	on archos you press on and then left/right
15:49:49	djmuz	cant press two buttons at once on iriver (the adc wotsit wont let ya)
15:50:13	ashridah	uh. why would buttons be done using an ADC? buttons aren't analog :)
15:50:27	ashridah	but yes, that does suck
15:50:51	djmuz	i dunno i was tryin to be clever
15:50:53	ashridah	i'm still not familiar enough with the button layouts for rockbox, and i've been compiling it for like 3 months :)
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15:52:29	LinusN	djmuz: hold Play
15:52:45	djmuz	ok
15:53:24	LinusN	the iriver button layout is just an ugly hack to get it going
15:53:34	LinusN	we'll have to work on that later on
15:53:54	djmuz	holding play dont work
15:54:09	djmuz	pressing play gives the ok for the rename
15:54:15	LinusN	oops
15:54:36	djmuz	its not a big problem sorry im bein all fussy
15:55:51	LinusN	hmm, we'll have to work out a better interface for the iriver pseudo keyboard...
15:56:53	djmuz	how can i clear the current playlist
15:57:20	rasher	LinusN: it could even include help below it :)
15:57:24	*	ashridah gets bored and resumes playing with JFLAP
15:57:39	ashridah	hurray for java apps with semi-dodgy interfaces!
15:57:51	ashridah	at least it's decent at what it's for, even if it is unweildy
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16:00:30	webguest15	hey guys, good work. I tried the iriverify-plugin, but do not know how I get the iriver firmware to use the playlist.
16:01:01	ashridah	webguest15: press the a-b button quickly
16:01:23	ashridah	it should change to the playlist selection window, you can choose any .m3u file fromanywhere on the player with that by filename
16:01:33	webguest15	thanks
16:02:20	webguest15	ok, I get it
16:04:13	webguest15	I thougt that I was forced to have a /playlists directory, so I moved the dynamic.m3u playlist to there and iriverified it. Rockbox then got a decent hang stating "writing". :)
16:04:42	ashridah	webguest15: nah, they can be anywhere. i just loaded one from a Music directory.
16:06:02	webguest15	ok, great
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16:07:50	webguest15	hmm, when deleting a file in rockbox it says PLAY = yes, but it's joystick-press that is correct
16:08:31	ashridah	webguest15: yes, the key bindings for rockbox on iriver still suck :)
16:08:49	webguest15	ashridah: hehe
16:09:29	webguest15	everything will be fine in time, may have some time to contribute later. school pretty much sucks as well
16:10:08	B4gder	that's what the nights are for! ;-)
16:10:28	rasher	I thought that was homework o.O
16:10:47	*	ashridah mutters vile things about the need to write an essay on grammars, and the relationship between grammars and the rest of computing theory
16:11:03	webguest15	B4gder: your'e right. Girlfriends on the other hand usually do not agree.
16:11:08	B4gder	hehe
16:11:21	B4gder	then marry her, and you can tell her to shutup :-P
16:11:30	*	ashridah tosses webguest15 a male self-gratification implement.
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16:11:39	B4gder	now don't show that line to my wife...
16:11:47	webguest15	hehe
16:11:48	ashridah	haha
16:11:57	rasher	ashridah: those are surgically removed upon getting a girlfriend
16:12:04	*	ashridah files that away in 'blackmail/bagder'
16:12:20	ashridah	rasher: you're dating the wrong girls then.
16:12:35	rasher	I'm not.
16:12:41	rasher	I was talking generally :)
16:13:33	ashridah	well, anyway
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16:14:05	rasher	actually, nevermind what I said
16:14:19	rasher	I'm obviously blind and incapable of reading
16:15:51	webguest15	right, back to whatever I was doing. Bye
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18:51:14	t0mas	hm...
18:51:23	t0mas	is there a way to diff two files in CVS?
18:51:30	t0mas	w/o checking them out?
18:51:37	preglow	cvs diff?
18:51:41	t0mas	cvs diff -u -r 1.12 -r 1.13 test.txt
18:51:50	t0mas	cvs diff: in directory .:
18:51:50	t0mas	cvs [diff aborted]: there is no version here; do 'cvs checkout' first
18:52:05	preglow	ahh, like that, don't know then
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19:21:35	HCl	t0mas: use the webcvs access thing.
19:21:51	t0mas	yeah, wanted it in a script
19:22:05	t0mas	but #cvs helped me out :)
19:22:06	t0mas	rcsdiff
19:22:10	t0mas	is a tool for this
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20:55:40	Tang	hello
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21:10:30	preglow	helo
21:10:50	Tang	Hi Preglow
21:11:42	t0mas	hi Tang
21:12:19	Tang	Hi tOmas
21:12:20	Tang	:)
21:12:32	preglow	:DDDDDDDD
21:12:53	Tang	i've downloaded the daily build
21:13:02	Tang	I'll update today
21:13:09	Tang	(i've not my iHP with me)
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21:15:45	Tang	i'm thinking about
21:15:53	Tang	mauybe yuo should update in the news
21:16:06	Tang	since the manual is released by Chritie in v2.4
21:16:08	Tang	:)
21:17:42	preglow	cool, i didn't know
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21:30:41	RanzQ	has anyone here got tips for archos gmini 400 ?
21:31:49	preglow	what kind of tips?
21:32:10	Tang	:)
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21:32:16	Tang	hum about iAudio
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21:32:23	Tang	also i wanted to add sthg
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21:35:31	preglow	iaudio may become a future rockbox platform, actually
21:35:42	preglow	seems like at least some of them has the same cpu as h1x0
21:42:22	Tang	indeed
21:42:26	Tang	what i wanted to say
21:42:41	Tang	is that not only the iAudio M3 use the same CF5249
21:42:49	Tang	but also the M5
21:43:15	Tang	and even the X5 (same with LCD color and limited video support as H3xx)
21:43:16	Tang	:)
21:43:42	preglow	x5 as well?
21:43:42	preglow	shit
21:43:47	preglow	the x5 looks kind of sweet, really
21:44:02	preglow	i hate the joystick, but the bundled firmware certainly seems better than irivers offerings
21:45:41	preglow	how did you find that out, btw?
21:48:55	preglow	as for the limited video support, no shit, the mcf5249 isn't a miracle cpu, heh
21:49:06	preglow	as i have so sorely experienced myself
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21:51:08	Tang	indeed ^preglow
21:51:28	Tang	i m gonna serach just a minute
21:53:16	Tang	http://www.mp3-player.de/artikel.php?ArtNr=1544&PHPSESSID=f19bda942596767baf235e196d8ece0e
21:53:20	Tang	her ewe are
21:53:50	Tang	"Chipsatz: Motorola/Freescale ColdFire SCF5249"
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21:54:04	Tang	And the limited video support also agree this
21:54:11	Tang	since it's same for H3xx
21:54:12	Tang	:)
21:54:14	Tang	;)
21:54:40	preglow	i thought the h3x0 just did 10fps
21:55:07	Tang	indeed
21:55:11	Tang	what's the matter?
21:55:53	preglow	nothing
21:57:42	Tang	mmm i mean
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21:57:54	Tang	it'll be the same for the X5
21:57:59	Tang	no doubt
21:59:34	Camilo	video is a selling point ... but without a video out, it's not that useful IMHO. It's a curiosity
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22:00:38	preglow	it would be useless with video out as well
22:00:45	Tang	yuo're true :)
22:00:53	preglow	10 fps video in a shit low resolution is not something i want to watch on my television
22:01:20	Tang	rofl
22:01:31	Tang	simply not Multimedia jukebox
22:02:04	Camilo	you can get low cost devices that do tv resolution record and playback - so it's only a little off the mark
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22:08:50	preglow	yes, yes, sure, but none of them are mcf5249 powered :)
22:12:50	Camilo	I wonder what's in Mustek's box
22:13:34	Tang	i go
22:13:36	Tang	bye
22:13:40	preglow	have fun
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22:13:56	Tang	thanks smae to you
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22:19:03	Camilo	http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=8463&GroupID=0
22:19:22	Camilo	it might be a nice platform to run rockbox on :)
22:44:25	lolo-laptop	H340!
22:44:30	lolo-laptop	:-D
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22:48:05	Camilo	yo lolo-laptop
22:48:13	lolo-laptop	hi
22:54:19	Camilo	hi!
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23:17:20	Bagder	evening LinusN
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23:23:38	LinusN	evening
23:23:46	LinusN	enjoying your new screen?
23:24:04	Bagder	not using it yet
23:24:23	Bagder	didn't wanna mess around with it since Agnes is asleep in the room just next
23:24:31	Bagder	nextdoor
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23:33:47	preglow	move the rig to another room :>
23:34:00	preglow	moving a whole computer is bound to be a silent procedure
23:34:49	Bagder	I can wait till the morning
23:35:06	Bagder	a final night with the crt ;-)
23:35:12	preglow	heh
23:35:16	preglow	i'd like an lcd
23:35:25	preglow	but i don't like dead pixels, and i would like higher resolutions
23:35:47	Bagder	higher than what?
23:36:03	preglow	something like 1600x1200
23:36:18	Bagder	that's what I'll use
23:36:28	preglow	how much did you spend on it?
23:36:35	Bagder	5300 SEK
23:36:49	preglow	manufacturer and device name, please :)
23:36:55	*	LinusN has a 2001fp without dead pixels
23:36:58	Bagder	dell 2001fp
23:37:54	preglow	and it has 4:3 aspect ratio, then?
23:38:18	Bagder	yes
23:38:29	preglow	i've noticed most lcd displays have some strange aspect ratio
23:44:18	preglow	looks like a nice display
23:45:46	rasher	5300 sek... >.<
23:45:59	Bagder	it is or was on sale
23:46:10	rasher	that's more than what I paid for this laptop...
23:46:18	rasher	depending on the state of the sek
23:46:34	preglow	can get it for around 5800nok, i see
23:46:41	Bagder	5300 SEK (Sweden Krona) = 4321.022 DKK (Denmark Krone)
23:46:55	rasher	whoa
23:47:04	rasher	well, it's less than what I paid.. then
23:47:04	Bagder	5300 SEK (Sweden Krona) = 4732.541 NOK (Norway Krone)
23:47:08	rasher	doesn't sound as impressive
23:47:25	Bagder	haha
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23:48:16	Bagder	I believe lynx got it slightly cheaper in germany just now
23:49:26	preglow	i'm not afraid of getting anything cheaper in norway
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23:52:45	preglow	this crt most certainly is ready for the dumpster
23:53:34	Bagder	my crt died
23:53:43	Bagder	not even five years old
23:53:46	preglow	this has died several times
23:53:50	preglow	i've brought it back every time
23:53:54	Bagder	hehe
23:53:56	Bagder	voodoo?
23:54:00	preglow	through generous use of cursing and wild shouting
23:54:17	preglow	and some well-meant stroking
23:54:25	Bagder	goats sacrifized at midnight do wonders ;-)
23:54:26	preglow	i guess it's due for another failure in about a weeks time
23:54:28	rasher	what's the size of this tft?
23:54:36	Bagder	20"
23:54:42	rasher	ah
23:54:45	preglow	i'll have to make do with seagulls and spaniards
23:54:51	rasher	I understand the 5300 sek better now
23:55:08	Bagder	;-)
23:56:50	rasher	4422 dkk
23:57:14	rasher	price at dell denmark, that is

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