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#rockbox log for 2005-04-08

00:04:45 Join muesli- [0] (muesli_tv@hmln-d51475ab.pool.mediaWays.net)
00:04:59muesli-re
00:13:39preglowrasher: i do dancing tricks in exchange for beer
00:14:41muesli-i'll do that too
00:15:19BagderI get beer for seeing your tricks? ;-)
00:15:42Bagdernah, I don't think its worth it
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00:17:03austriancoderhi all
00:17:09Bagderhowdy ho
00:17:28muesli-grützi :D
00:17:31preglownothing like a good beer before going to bed
00:17:46austriancodermuesil: zewas
00:21:20austriancoderis somebody working on on the multi-codec architecture?
00:21:28LinusNyes i am
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00:22:14preglowi wonder when people will start requesting xvid playback :)
00:22:49muesli-no, nothing else than half life 2 ^^
00:23:18DMJCI demand nothign less than a gamecube emulator ;D
00:24:53preglowLinusN: any thoughts on an internal sample format yet? should the codec be invoked with a wanted resolution parameter, or should the dac output module convert from whatever the codec produces to what the dac needs?
00:24:54*rasher cheers LinusN along
00:25:42LinusNpreglow: not sure yet, i guess we should let all codecs deliver the same format
00:25:56preglowLinusN: i agree, i was just thinking about insertable dsp effects again
00:26:22preglowhaving a predictable format all the way to the dsp would be good
00:26:31LinusNindeed
00:26:38preglows/dsp/dac/
00:26:47muesli-n8 ladiez
00:26:54austriancodern8
00:27:15preglowi made some nice eq filters the other day i'd like to stuff into rockbox when it's ready
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00:28:38LinusNpreglow: nice
00:30:05preglowfor that the emac unit is at well-suited
00:30:19preglowat least
00:30:43preglowi still haven't followed through on my threat to start reading through my sentences before pushing enter
00:33:36LinusN:-)
00:34:31*LinusN continues his seemingly endless work with internal changes that changes absolutely nothing for the user...
00:35:23preglowthe most rewarding work
00:35:33rasher so unglamourous
00:37:12preglowperhaps the best thing would be to have all codecs output at 32 bits resolution
00:37:39LinusNperhaps
00:37:46preglowbut that would make for a lot of useless shifts
00:37:50preglow"useless", at that
00:37:53LinusNyeah
00:38:10preglowit would make the life easier for me when making dsp plugins :P
00:38:36LinusNbut it would prevent "in-place mixing"
00:38:45preglowthat it would
00:39:00preglowwhich reminds me of the big pcm buffer crossfading idea
00:39:32preglowwe'll require two buffers, unless we can make the codecs themselves do the fading
00:39:48rashermmmm crossfading
00:39:51LinusNprobably yes
00:39:53BagderPlasma demo
00:39:55preglownot just probably :P
00:39:57Bagderwooo
00:40:00preglowit's pretty much a fact
00:40:02austriancodergood night all... my headach is getting worser and worser
00:40:09LinusNaustriancoder: sleep tight
00:40:16preglowaustriancoder: night, headaches suck
00:40:17rasherPlasma!
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00:40:31rasherRequiring greyscale I assume
00:40:41LinusNyes
00:40:42preglowall codecs will have to do mixing output, and need to be able to generate a fading curve
00:40:46preglowof variable length
00:41:12preglowthe bad part is that this requires us zeroing the output buffers, and the fading logic will go unused a lot of the time
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00:41:30preglowunless we also have two output routines for each codec, one mixing, and one replacing
00:42:06LinusNi guess we'll find out which is the best
00:42:06preglowan idea that's utilized in at least a couple of plugin apis i know of
00:42:18LinusNas we code along
00:42:19rasherSomeone do a tunnel demo now and we're set.
00:42:27LinusNhehe
00:42:37preglowhaha
00:42:48Bagderyeah, stop that sound work and get working on those demos ;-)
00:42:51*LinusN has to sleep
00:42:56preglowdemos on portables would rock so badly
00:43:00rasherNooooo, don't
00:43:02preglowLinusN: sleep tight
00:43:14LinusNcu in a few hours :-)
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00:43:49preglowthe demo scene needs hardware limitations, or it just regresses to pointless and boring 3d shows
00:44:03LinusNabsolutely
00:44:26preglowi have seen so many incredibly boring demos
00:44:35rasher64k is fun
00:44:35LinusNthat's why the pc demo scene has to invent artificial limits, like 4k intros etc
00:44:36preglow3d was good when it required effort
00:44:39preglownow it's just plain boring
00:44:52preglowin most cases, at least
00:45:18LinusNnite all!
00:45:20preglowgnight
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00:46:04preglowbut yes, i'll stop ranting about the state of current demos, i'll go on for quite a while
00:47:42rasherHeh
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00:51:17preglowwell, it sounds like a good idea if nothing else
00:51:21preglowgood night!
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07:11:18XShocKhi Linus
07:13:49LinusNhi
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07:44:48ABergHi Linus. I see you are currently working on mp3 playback.
07:45:02ABergI made a design proposal for the audio API a while ago.
07:45:05ABerghttp://www.geocities.com/aberguerand/Design.txt
07:45:32ABergMaybe you can find something interesting in it.
07:47:41LinusNthanks
07:49:18amiconnGood morning
07:50:43ABergMy coding skills have been replaced by management skills, so this is the best I can do to help Rockbox.
07:56:15LinusNamiconn: morning
07:56:43LinusNABerg: it's good that you've given it some thought
07:59:34LinusNi put a link to your proposal in the wiki
08:00
08:00:39ABergThanks. I did not want to put it directly in the wiki as there already is a proposal in it
08:03:29LinusNmost of the loader/feeder functionality is already present in rockbox, for the mp3 playback in the archos
08:05:04ABergI tried to read the source then, but it was so mixed with archos specific code, that I could not figure exactly how it was done.
08:05:15LinusNhehe
08:05:38ABergMaybe I should try to look at it again after your clean-up is done.
08:05:44LinusNyeah
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09:24:46bobTHChi noble people !
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09:43:01Bagderzero dead pixels
09:43:11LinusNyippie!
09:43:19Bagderbut my dvi is wrong somehow
09:43:22LinusNoh?
09:43:37Bagderit shows wrong resolution
09:43:46LinusNweirdo
09:44:04Bagderyou remember any particular config to get it working?
09:44:12LinusNnot at all
09:44:15LinusNit just worked
09:45:17Lynx_Bagder: also zero dead pixels here :)
09:45:17LinusNwhich video card?
09:45:26Bagdermatrox
09:45:45bobTHCdvi-D or dvi-I ?
09:46:06BagderD
09:46:07LinusNi remember that my old rage card couldn't handle full resolution with DVI
09:46:19Lynx_Bagder: thanks for mentioning the screen here, i really like it!
09:46:26BagderLinusN: aha, could be something like that then... I better read up
09:47:11LinusNfinally a reason to get a new cool gfx card! :-)
09:47:32Bagderyeah, with lots of fans and crap
09:47:37bobTHClol
09:47:53LinusNBagder: get a 6800 and a schooner
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09:48:43bobTHCwith fancy blue neon and large copper dissipator
09:48:44Lynx_Bagder: did you also get the power cable separatly?
09:48:50BagderLynx_: yes
09:49:02BagderI bet it is because it is country-specific, while the rest is generic
09:49:19*LinusN is scratching his head, trying to figure out the best way of handling watermarks in the pcm buffer
09:49:20Lynx_yes, i guess. surprising that the extra shipping is cheaper than packing it in the main box
09:49:52Bagderyes, that's interesting
09:50:30*LinusN ordered 5 tiny chips and got them in a huge cardboard box, had trouble finding the chips among all the packing materials
09:50:51Bagder" maximum resolution of 1280 x 1024 @ 24-bit"
09:50:54Bagdergrrrrr
09:50:58LinusNhehe
09:51:05kurzhaarrockerLinusN fyi: I just uploaded a patch that improves the ui for the trigger.
09:51:10LinusNaha!
09:51:27kurzhaarrockerNow Martin Borus can't complain any more :)
09:51:52kurzhaarrocker(but I didn't do my homework yet: no simulator improvements)
09:53:21*LinusN slaps kurzhaarrocker on his fingers
09:53:26Lynx_my card even handles the dell at 1600 and my old monitor at 1024 on analog :)
09:53:26kurzhaarrockerouch
09:56:06LinusNkurzhaarrocker: could you do me a favour and rename the SOURCE_xxx macros to REC_SOURCE_xxx and move them to settings.h?
09:56:13LinusNin your patch
09:56:19kurzhaarrockeryes
09:56:27LinusNso we don't duplicate the #defines
09:56:46*kurzhaarrocker didn't have a good feeling about that anyway :)
09:57:25LinusNit might even be nicer to move the recording init to a function in recording.c
09:57:35LinusNand call that from sound_menu
09:58:15kurzhaarrocker... and make the set_gain method public
09:58:16bobTHClinus > what u think about the Alain Berguerand api proposal ?
09:58:46LinusNbobTHC: it pretty much mimics the way it works today
09:59:13bobTHC:)
09:59:18LinusNexcept for the codec parts of course
09:59:44LinusNbut it's good to have it in writing
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10:00:14*LinusN wals off to the lab for a few moments
10:00:18LinusNwalks
10:13:13kurzhaarrockerHm. Now that rec_init_recording exists the REC_SOURCE_XXX constants aren't shared any more. Shall I still move them to settings.h?
10:13:59amiconnhi kurzhaarrocker
10:14:08kurzhaarrockermoin amiconn
10:14:21kurzhaarrocker<- tries not to break any ondio things. Honestly!
10:14:29amiconnI have a little improvement request for the trigger
10:14:36kurzhaarrockerwhich?
10:15:23amiconnA mode with repeated trigger, but *not* starting a new file each stop/start, only pause the recording when trigger stop condition is met
10:15:46amiconnThat would be very useful for using the archos as a dictaphone
10:16:41kurzhaarrockerHm. The advantage would that you could delete the entire dictate with one file only.
10:16:54LinusNpretty good idea
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10:17:12amiconnYes... and it is easier to send a whole dictate by email - one file only
10:17:55kurzhaarrockerMaybe I'll find time this weekend to do my homework. :)
10:21:21bobTHCbadger i found the gfx card u need : http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?pageID=1426&Submit=Go&cID=776 ;)
10:22:13bobTHClittle , silent, cheap... lol
10:22:21Bagderhahah
10:23:43amiconnMy 2 GB MMC arrived :)
10:24:46kurzhaarrockerAny useful data on it, amiconn? :)
10:25:31bobTHChow much for 2gig ?
10:26:19amiconnkurzhaarrocker: No.
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10:26:48austriancoderhi all
10:26:56austriancoderi got a *panic*
10:27:01austriancoderata: -42
10:27:15austriancoderwhile starting rockbox
10:27:23LinusNbatteries?
10:27:25amiconnbobTHC: Got it from eBay... opened once, but otherwise new, with invoice. 151 €
10:27:46kurzhaarrockerevil: rockbox.zip has 666kb
10:27:55austriancoderthis could be, that the batteries are empty
10:28:16austriancoderwould it not better, to shutdown the player if there is such an error?
10:28:51LinusNperhaps
10:29:21LinusNwe could warn about the low battery level and then shut off
10:29:25austriancoderthe original one shows a screen that battiers are low and shutsdown the pleayer
10:29:46austriancoderseems to be a nice idea
10:30:02LinusNnot top prio right now though
10:30:03austriancoderelse i must everytime reset the player
10:30:09austriancoderthats ok
10:30:32austriancoderis this code in the bootloader or in rockbox?
10:30:39austriancoderif it is in rockbox, i could code it
10:30:39LinusNboot loader
10:30:42austriancoderok
10:30:49austriancoderthats to heavy for me
10:31:05LinusNthe boot loader uses the rockbox code
10:31:15austriancoderi dont want to detroy my iriver with a non working bootloader
10:31:21LinusNno you don't
10:31:30austriancoderah
10:31:43austriancoderso i chage stuff in rockbox and everthing should work?
10:31:49LinusNmeaning "no you don't want that"
10:32:04austriancoderok :)
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10:42:05*austriancoder lloks through feature requests
10:43:25LinusNaustriancoder: looking for something to do?
10:43:33austriancoderyep
10:43:48LinusNiriver, i presume
10:44:01austriancodermost of the remote lcd code is done.. but i can't test it until lcd.s is done
10:44:03austriancoderyep
10:44:26LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ThingsTodo
10:44:56LinusNspeaking of lcd, i have a bug for you to fix
10:45:18austriancoderok.. lets hear
10:45:35LinusNenable the lcd "upside down" setting, and you'll see
10:46:13austriancoderone moment
10:46:37LinusNgeneral settings->display->lcd settings->upside down
10:47:05austriancoderok.. looks a little bit ugly
10:48:10austriancoderwill look into it.. right now
10:50:49*austriancoder switches to linux..
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11:25:33LinusNlunch time
11:30:00austriancoderyeah..
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11:54:58austriancodergot again a panic
11:55:24austriancoderGIO_OUT: 000800080
11:55:47austriancoderGPIO_FUNCTION: 816C0280
11:56:13austriancoderGPIO_ENABLE: 816C02C0
11:56:33austriancoderGPIO_READ: 069F7674
11:56:47austriancoderGPIO_OUT: 000A4008
11:56:58austriancoderwoops
11:56:58austriancoderzip:/home/austriancoder/rockbox/build/rockbox.zip/.rockbox
11:56:59austriancoderzip:/home/austriancoder/rockbox/build/rockbox.zip/rockbox.iriver
11:57:03austriancoderwoops
11:57:21austriancoderi will try a newer bootloder.. i hope all may problems are gone then
11:57:37austriancoderata: -42 with 89% battery
11:59:44austriancoderLinusN: could you try the newest iriver firmware to merge with rockbox?
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12:04:30austriancodereu version
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12:45:46Tang:)
12:45:55LinusNaustriancoder: i intend to try the 1.65 firmware, but i haven't had time
12:46:23LinusNaustriancoder: do you ever have the "check hdd connection" error with the irver firmware?
12:46:40Tangho
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13:34:27Tanghi Moos
13:34:54MoosCamarohi Tang
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14:07:44austriancoderLinusN: I haver had the "check hdd connection" error
14:13:33austriancoderhaver = never
14:15:09austriancodernew bootloader is musch faster :)
14:15:14austriancoderseems that this was the problem
14:17:22austriancoderoh my englisch sucks today
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14:31:51Tangthere is a new bootloader?
14:31:59Tangwith 1.65fw maybe?
14:32:02Tang:|
14:33:54Tanghum no i checked the wikiboot section
14:34:05Tangstill 1.63
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14:38:22jessefarrellhey can anyone help me
14:38:33jessefarrelli'm panicing
14:38:36Tang?
14:38:39TangWhat?
14:38:52Tangi think Linus is not away
14:39:07*LinusN hides
14:39:19jessefarrelli've put the iriver bootloader on and have had it for a while and now it says *PANIC*
14:39:22jessefarrelland i can't do anything
14:39:34jessefarrellyou have any ideas:D
14:39:35LinusNpush the reset button
14:39:40jessefarrelli have
14:39:53LinusNand what happens?
14:39:58jessefarrellnothinh
14:40:03LinusNat all?
14:40:19jessefarrellnope
14:40:29LinusNthen your reset button is broken
14:40:38jessefarrellyeh probably
14:40:42Tang:/
14:40:43LinusNor you aren't pushing it correctly
14:40:47jessefarrelli'll just have to wait till it runs out won't i
14:40:47Tangmaybe
14:40:56Tangi used the RESET quite often since Rbx
14:41:07Tangseems to work still right
14:41:10Tang:s
14:41:38LinusNjessefarrell: what does the panic message say?
14:41:48jessefarrelli like put the thing in the reset button further than usual
14:41:59LinusNmaybe you missed it then
14:42:03jessefarrellohh it says "ata:-71"
14:42:25LinusN71...
14:42:40jessefarrellyeh -71
14:43:22jessefarrellis that bad?
14:43:25LinusNa very unusual message
14:43:54LinusNdid the rockbox logo show before that?
14:44:04jessefarrellno like debug thingo
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14:44:22LinusNok
14:44:32kurzhaarrockerDo any the IRivers support volume triggered recording?
14:44:41LinusNwhat are you using to reset it?
14:44:49LinusNkurzhaarrocker: yes, the H100
14:44:53jessefarrelllike thin piece of wire
14:45:15LinusNjessefarrell: make sure that you don't miss the reset button
14:45:20jessefarrellok
14:45:29jessefarrelli shall try find something like a pin
14:45:31LinusNit is perfectly possible to stick the wire past the button inside
14:46:00kurzhaarrockerLinusN: Do you mean that hardwaredetection of consecutive zero-samples or is it really supported by the original firmware?
14:46:20LinusNit's supported by the original firmware, since the latest 1.65 release
14:46:32kurzhaarrockerfunny.
14:48:05jessefarrelloh thank fuck for that, thanks for the help i just had to keep jaming a pin in and out of there
14:48:24LinusN:-)
14:48:45jessefarrellthanks again hope all goes well with this project
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14:53:16Tanglol it's quite frightening when the RESET seems to be unsensitive
14:53:17Tang:)
14:55:45austriancodersee you... real life is calling
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15:42:31kurzhaarrockerI updated the patch for auto-selecting the recording source in the trigger setup dialog.
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15:43:29kurzhaarrockerHI
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15:48:50rasherErp, ATA error: -71
15:49:05rasherand there LinusN goes :)
15:49:09Bagderhehe
15:49:21Bagderbatteries charged and fine?
15:49:35kurzhaarrockerHe mustn't go! He hasn't committed my patch! :)
15:49:45rasher41%
15:49:53rasher(adc value: DC)
15:50:22rashermay be something that happened when unmounting
15:50:50rashernot sure.. I just shut down the computer and now it's giving that error
15:51:37rasherMay have happened before.. transferred some stuff to it without looking at it
15:52:29rasherhdd led is stuck on red
15:52:42t0mastried the reset button?
15:53:08rashersure, that fixes it
15:53:16rasherstill a bug of some sort :)
15:56:39Bagderwe need a RLD on the iriver too ;-)
15:56:47BagderRed Led Death
15:57:05Bagderdreaded problem on the Archos
15:57:08rasherFunny, now the original firmware hangs on boot
15:57:13rasherafter booting fine last time
15:57:18rasherwith no rockbox boot in between
15:57:25kurzhaarrockerDoesn't the iriver has differently colored leds? What a pity.
15:58:12*rasher tries to hit the reset switch
15:58:49kurzhaarrockerBagder: what timezone do you live in?
15:58:55BagderCET
15:59:15Bagdersame as you I figure
15:59:25kurzhaarrockeryes
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16:00:35rasherI think #rockbox is mostly CET
16:01:11preglowiriver has red and green led
16:01:17preglowboth are hardware controlled, i think
16:01:41kurzhaarrockerWouldn't it be fun to invent the GLD then?
16:02:03rasherthat'd mean stuck charging o.O
16:02:12Bagderhehe
16:02:21kurzhaarrocker*grin*
16:02:59rasherCatch the digital flow!
16:04:49rasherapparently there's an iAUDIO song as well
16:05:05rasherand BenQ (whatever that is)
16:05:34kurzhaarrockerPah, the should put Carangg on by default! :)
16:06:39*rasher nominates Bagder to find some old c64 scener to create the Rockbox theme song
16:06:51Bagderhaha
16:06:56BagderLinus used to compose
16:07:02Bagderon the music editor I wrote
16:07:16Bagderhunt for c64 tunes by "Skyline"
16:07:18rasheroooh
16:07:31rasheris it in hvsc?
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16:07:37Bagderno idea
16:07:47rasherI'll check
16:08:02*kurzhaarrocker still has 1 1/2 C64 ...
16:08:22*rasher never had one
16:08:45rasherwhich saddens me
16:08:52rasherwell, an Amiga would probably fit my age better
16:09:21kurzhaarrockerI used to fry the "CIA" chips that are responsible for IO, when I converted my 9-needle printer into a scanner ...
16:09:52rasherhm, not in hvsc, no
16:10:37preglowi thought linus was boogaloo?
16:10:44Bagderyeps
16:11:18Bagder"Music by Boogaloo of Skyline Technics"
16:11:21preglowahh
16:11:28rasherwell then there's an entire directory for him :)
16:11:29preglowi thought skyline was the handle
16:11:36rashervarious/a-f/Boogaloo/
16:11:40Bagderwe did the music as Skyline Technics
16:11:44Bagderand demos as Horizon
16:11:57Bagderfor some odd reasons
16:11:58rasherSwingy_Dingy.sid and more
16:12:16preglowsomeone plenty of people still making music with c64
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16:13:41*preglow is playing Goto80 - Llamawarning
16:13:47*rasher hugs xsidplay
16:14:12preglowtoo bad no one has managed to emulate the sid filter perfectly yet
16:14:31rasherIt says "Copyright: 1990 Horizon"
16:14:48rasherwell as I said.. I never owned one.. so I'm not that much of a purist
16:15:19TangkurzhaarrockerDoesn't the iriver has differently colored leds? What a pity.
16:15:26kurzhaarrocker"Stay a while, stay for ever!"
16:15:34preglowi probably never would have remebered what the filter sounded like, but my sidstationen reminded me
16:15:40TangNo need it freeze very very often to be fair
16:16:15kurzhaarrocker*shrug* I don't own any irivers.
16:16:17Tang(not talking about WIP Rbx fw of course)
16:16:35Tangokay
16:16:47rasherAh, here's one saying skyline technics
16:17:26Bagderrasher: the people who made them available could of course also have mised horizon and skyline
16:17:39Bagdersince Boogaloo, me and Zagor were... in both
16:18:00Bagdermixed
16:18:46rasherthe ones from 1990 or earlier say horizon
16:18:53rasherThe rest are from 1991 and say Skyline
16:19:00Bagderok
16:19:13Bagderpersonally I don't care which ;-)
16:19:22rasherof course, I have no idea how accurate this info is
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16:22:16TangHi
16:22:28Tangi begun the ForNoobs Wikisection
16:22:54Bagdernice
16:23:00MoosCamaroit's good
16:23:02Tangbut i'll finish later since i'm not wlecome here on my parents connection
16:23:16Tangi'll continue more discretly from University
16:24:08*Bagder goes cooking
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16:30:51rasheroh, this one is boogaloo & zagor
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19:16:05t0mashmz..
19:16:10t0masanybody good at physics here?
19:16:24t0masI had a discussion with some guy... about sound waves...
19:16:31t0masV = f * L
19:16:40t0maswhere V is sound-speed in normal air...
19:16:43t0masand L = the greek labda
19:16:50t0masand F is frequentie in hz..
19:16:55t0masso I told him:
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19:17:14t0mas343 m/s is the normal speed of sound
19:17:34t0masand he was sure a 20 hz wave would fit his subwoofer
19:17:43preglowno, it won't :P
19:17:48t0masindeed :P
19:17:49preglowa 20 hz wave is pretty long
19:17:56t0mas17,15 meters
19:18:05t0masbut he wasn't convinced :P
19:18:24t0mashe's still sure the waves are about 30 cm, as that's what fits his subwoofer
19:18:32preglowthat's irrelevant
19:18:40t0masyeah...
19:18:43t0masafaik it is
19:18:48t0masbut I wasn't toally sure :)
19:18:57t0mas*totally
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21:41:46t0masoeps :)
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21:47:26Tang:)
21:47:56t0mashi Tang
21:48:18TangHi tOmas
21:48:20Tang:)
21:48:30t0masO -> 0
21:48:42t0masthe number
21:48:44TangOh sorry
21:48:48TangT0mas
21:48:52t0masno problem
21:49:03Tangi'm specialist of mispelling unfortunately
21:49:06t0masit isn't Tomas because someone already took that nick ;)
21:49:16Tangi called LinusN LinusM a long time lol
21:49:33t0masghehe
21:49:40t0masI keep calling him Linux :)
21:49:57t0masa little autocompletion from my fingers ;)
21:50:08Tang:D
21:50:31TangYou're from Rbx t0mas?
21:50:43t0masyou mean?
21:51:07Tangftrom the team
21:51:09Tang?
21:51:10Tang:)
21:51:12t0masnope...
21:51:18t0masjust customized some things
21:51:19Tangokay
21:51:33Tangah plugins?
21:52:16t0masno, changed the wps screen to use images
21:52:26TangAh indeed the WPS
21:52:37Tangyou did a topic on the board
21:52:39Tang:)
21:53:03t0maswell it was DJ_D_D's topic :)
21:53:08t0masbut I used it for my idea :)
21:58:22amiconnTang, t0mas: For the misspelling issue, there's that nice feature called tab autocompletion...
21:58:33t0masyeah, I normally use it
21:58:43t0masbut Linux isn't always around
21:58:44t0masARG
21:58:45t0masagain
21:58:50t0masLinus
21:58:53Tanghum would be cool indeed amiconn
21:59:01Tang(i did used TAB :))
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22:00:14amiconn:)
22:00:44Tangnice i'm gonna play with this cool game:
22:01:05Tangno mcth for lin
22:01:07Tang:o
22:02:09TangMoosCamaro
22:02:15Tangit work fine :D
22:02:44MoosCamaro:)
22:08:13TangLinus started to update the fornoobs part
22:08:18Tangthanks
22:08:31Tangi'll finish this sunday
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22:58:26amiconnHmm, badness :(
22:58:40preglowwut
22:58:44amiconnRockbox on Ondio cannot read my new 2GB MMC
22:59:01amiconnHowever, it's not a hardware problem, as the archos firmware can...
22:59:13Bagder:-(
22:59:17Bagdermore work then
22:59:23amiconnGuess it's time for some MMC driver work :-/
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23:00:38HClyou mean, "yay! we found a bug!"
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23:00:59HCl :p
23:02:06stevenmfinding it is half the fun
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23:05:42Tanglol
23:06:10amiconnWth.... the archos firmware is able to read the dir, but playback is 'mostly' silent
23:09:11HClhow much space does the ondio have natively?
23:10:14amiconn128 MB
23:10:52HClick, thats not much
23:10:55*HCl lags
23:18:36stevenmIf your plugin consists of multiple files, do you just put the main .C file in apps/plugins and then put the rest in apps/plugins/whatever/ ?
23:18:57HClum.
23:19:02HClamiconn?
23:21:08preglowi wonder if the mcd5249 is powerful enough to do he-aac
23:21:14preglowmcf...
23:21:35amiconnstevenm: If you really have such a plugin (why would you? It's an absolute exception that a plugin needs multiple files.), you need to make your own makefile in a sub dir
23:21:53stevenmamiconn, this is a codec technically
23:22:32stevenmamiconn, it works when compiled standalone for a computer.. now I need to make it run on target. Gonna try porting it, not sure where to begin
23:22:35amiconnIf it is a codec, it goes into apps/codecs/<codec-name>. You will then definitely need a Makefile
23:23:00preglowstevenm: just midi2wav.c will have to be in the plugins dir
23:23:13stevenmpreglow, ah.. I see
23:23:53stevenmpreglow, stupid question: How do you generate a .wav file? I mean, I can look up the basic structure but do you need to know the number of samples ahead of time?
23:24:04HCllook at xxx2wav.
23:24:10HClwe have a framework for it
23:24:15*amiconn builds an ooold rockbox for ondio...
23:25:11stevenmah, thanks
23:25:33Tangbye good night all
23:25:35Tang:)
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23:26:27preglowstevenm: no, you don't, you just write samples all long as you have them, then write the header on exit, all this is done in xxx2wav
23:27:39stevenmpreglow, ah, thanks
23:27:57stevenmI have a lot to learn about this thing
23:28:33stevenmand also how to write makefiles
23:29:38preglowmakefiles are satan
23:29:54Bagdernah
23:29:58Bagdersendmail config is satan
23:30:01preglowor at least the incarnation of him that is closest to him in spirit
23:30:02Bagdermakefiles are easy ;-)
23:30:10preglowhshah
23:30:18preglowsendmail config is pretty
23:30:34Bagderas pretty as line noise in the bbs days
23:30:40preglowat least you can't complain it's not huffman coded
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23:38:11stevenmpreglow, all right, I put it all in there. How do I make it build the plugin? just run Make ?
23:38:32preglowyou add file name to the SOURCES file
23:38:37amiconnNow that is strange... I checked the error return from initialize_card(). It returns -7, meaning the card's default block size is not 512 ???
23:38:42preglowas for the codec itself, i have noe idea
23:38:55amiconnconfusing....
23:39:10stevenmpreglow, ah ok
23:39:28amiconnMrf, need to dump the csd...
23:40:07HClsounds reasonable for a 2gb disk amiconn
23:40:09stevenmoh, this is NOT going to be pretty. Is there a printf fuction of sorts?
23:40:44amiconnHCl: I don't think so. Even a 400 GB harddisk has a blocksize (sector size) of 512 bytes...
23:40:51HClO.o..
23:40:51HClum.
23:40:52Bagderstevenm: snprintf() is there
23:40:59HClwth form of filesystem are you using?
23:41:03HClohh.
23:41:10amiconnThis is not a file system issue
23:41:11HClyou mean disk sector size...
23:41:15amiconnyup
23:41:20HClmy bad :)
23:41:36stevenmBagder, I was just hoping to not have to go and remove all printfs
23:41:44HCli thought you meant file system block sizes
23:42:05Bagderstevenm: printf() sends output to stdout. Rockbox has no stdout.
23:42:22Ricksplash() should prove to be a fine replacement aye?
23:42:24Rickwithout centering on
23:42:50stevenmWooooah that is a LOT of errors.
23:42:55RickHehe
23:43:02Rickstevenm: just stub printf
23:43:12preglowstevenm: welcome to rockbox development!
23:43:15Rickhehe
23:43:45stevenmRick, how would I make a stub for printf() when it has a variable number of parameters ?
23:44:04Rickvoid printf(char *fmt, ...) {}
23:44:26Rickinstant stub ;)
23:44:37stevenmAh, thanks
23:44:47stevenmcool
23:45:07Rickwhat are you building anyway?
23:45:11stevenmnow, the read function for files.. does it pre-allocate whatever it reads into, or not?
23:45:16stevenmMIDI codec
23:45:27Rickah
23:45:49Bagderread reads data into a buffer
23:45:56Bagderthere is no malloc or alloc
23:45:56Rickuh, I don't know. That question should be directed to other codec devs
23:46:10stevenmso I have to "malloc" something and then read into it
23:46:18Rickthere is no malloc
23:46:43stevenmpreglow, you mentioned writing your own malloc.. What is the name of the pointer that points to the start of the mp3 buffer ?
23:46:44RickI borrowed parts of my alloc from HCl's rockbox alloc stuff
23:46:54Rickstevenm: there's a function for it
23:46:58Rickmp3_get_buffer() or something
23:47:00Rickcheck PLUGIN_API
23:47:10stevenmRick, is this the same for iriver as for archos?
23:47:13preglowyou just read the data you need to play the file into the mp3 buffer
23:47:15RickI believe so.
23:47:26Rickonly the archos has less ram
23:47:31preglowit won't be usable on the archos anyway :P
23:47:35RickHehe
23:47:43Rickone second stevenm
23:47:46stevenmpreglow, I see.. I need to write my own malloc.. basically return some offset into the mp3 buffer. All I want to know is where the mp3 buffer is
23:47:58 Quit lolo-laptop ("Client exiting")
23:48:23Bagderplugin_get_audio_buffer()
23:48:33Rickstevenm: look at rockboy.c
23:48:40preglowyou don't need a malloc, the buffer is there, just use it
23:48:45Rickit has HCl's alloc stuff
23:48:57stevenmAah I get it
23:48:58Rickpreglow: yes, but it's nice to have a "managed" use of it ;)
23:48:59stevenmthank you
23:49:15preglowi really don't see the use for a codec
23:49:23stevenmI just have mallocs everywhere, was lazy to search/replace
23:49:37amiconnThere is also a simple malloc() implementation in xxx2wav.c
23:49:45Rick:]
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23:50:10elinenbewhere can mkboot be found?
23:50:17Ricktools?
23:50:36Bagdertools
23:50:51elinenbewhen I pull down the CVS I don't get it....
23:51:12HCli think it compiles when you compile an iriver target for the first time
23:51:22Bagdermkboot.c is in tools
23:51:31Bagderthe bootloader however, is in bootloader/
23:52:22*Bagder goes to sleep
23:52:54*Rick prods Bagder with a stick

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