#rockbox 2005-04-09

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#rockbox log for 2005-04-09

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00:22:25	amiconn	Gmrf. This 2GB MMC beast really has 1024 byte/block, not the usual 512. Now how to support this in rockbox ??żż
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00:35:36	preglow	is that very hard to change?
00:36:44	amiconn	Well, the whole FAT handling is based on 512 byte blocks
00:38:27	amiconn	If I want to support variable block sizes (the MMC standard allows all powers of 2 from 0..11, meaning blocksizes of 1...2048 bytes), I need to implement complex splitting/ joining
00:39:24	preglow	and you haven't bumped into other block sized than 512 before now?
00:39:31	amiconn	nope
00:39:32	preglow	i thought that was pretty usual
00:40:11	preglow	in non-related news, faad2 really does a bit cpu intensive, heh
00:40:17	preglow	does _seem_
00:41:17	amiconn	The real fun thing is that the read block size can be different from the write block size, and the ability to read/ write partial blocks is optional
00:41:23	preglow	ouch
00:41:50	amiconn	Usually the cards allow partial block reading, but not partial block writing
00:42:36	amiconn	So that means if I want to write a 512 byte sector, and the card has 2048 byte blocks, I need to read the 2048 byte block, put the 512 byte sector in, and write back
00:43:38	amiconn	reading is also a bit ugly. Currently, reading is done directly to the destination memory area. This is no longer possible if the card block size is larger than 512 byte
00:44:21	preglow	indeed
00:44:23	preglow	well
00:44:33	preglow	doesn't seem like you have a choice if you want it supported
00:47:32	amiconn	There is another problem. I need to check whether this unusual blcok size is treated as the sector size. If yes, the mbr (partition table) handling etc. also needs some changes
00:48:30	preglow	so you actually keep file systems on it?
00:48:35	preglow	treat it just like a disk?
00:49:16	amiconn	Yes of course. All flash memory cards I've seen so far are handled this way
00:49:37	preglow	now that i come to think of it, non-512 byte block are uncommon
00:49:43	preglow	blocks
00:49:59	amiconn	Usually they are partitioned like a hard disk, with one primary partition formatted as FAT16
00:51:52	preglow	but the problems you describe above with merging of sectors and so on stem from the fact that all the higher level apis assume 512 byte blocks, yes?
00:52:16	preglow	if so, couldn't that be changed as well?
00:54:05	amiconn	Maybe, but the other case is also problematic. If the MMC blocks are smaller than 512 byte, I don't have problems with partial blocks, but with merging blocks instead
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00:55:59	amiconn	Hmm, 'dd' sees the card as having 512 byte blocks
00:56:14	amiconn	(dd .... count=1024 copies 512 KB)
00:56:36	preglow	of course, it could be pretending the sectors to be 512 bytes on some low level
00:57:00	preglow	but i really don't see the point in using different sector sizes
00:57:26	preglow	any good reason for the manufacturer doing so?
00:57:57	amiconn	I don't know... it's the first card I encounter with block size != 512 bytes
00:58:49	preglow	send it back and ask for a smaller one :P
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01:01:06	amiconn	Hahah. I want 2 GB (actually I'd want 4 GB, but such a card is not yet available)
01:01:06	HCl	i think dd just treats it as a file and just reads chunks of 512 by default
01:04:12	HCl	you can set its blocksize with bs=
01:05:26	preglow	ahh, yes
01:06:08	preglow	512 is dd's default
01:06:12	amiconn	The file system is formatted based on 512 byte blocks. MBR 'signature' is found at offset 510/511, and the partition table says the partition has 3 991 520 sectors
01:06:20	preglow	it has nothing to do with the underlying file system
01:06:53	amiconn	So I need to leave the sectro size #define at 512, and deal with block split/join in the MMC driver...
01:06:59	amiconn	*sector
01:07:24	preglow	that's bound to be pretty wasteful, unless you can detect sequential writing
01:07:53	preglow	or are buffering writes until you have whole blocks
01:13:02	amiconn	I only need to buffer this way (for reading and writing) if the block size is > 512 bytes. For <= 512 bytes I can simply read/write multiple blocks per 512-byte sector
01:13:17	amiconn	...and probably never actually test < 512 byte blocks
01:26:06	preglow	my god, i'm trying out a flemish sour ale. i will not do so again
01:27:17	preglow	this stuff should come with a warning label
01:27:25	amiconn	Doesn't sound tasty...
01:27:35	preglow	it tastes like a wine gone bad
01:27:52	amiconn	That reminds me... there is still a nice beer in the fridge
01:28:04	preglow	which is not what beer should taste like
01:29:07	HCl	lmao.
01:29:12	HCl	its not!?
01:29:16	HCl	:P
01:29:38	preglow	sweet, salty, rich, bitter, yes!!! sour, no!!!
01:30:13	preglow	ugh, i hope a cigarette makes it more drinkable
01:30:27	preglow	urine would probably make this more drinkable
01:31:33	amiconn	FAT boot sector also says 512 byte/sector
01:31:46	amiconn	Grpf
01:32:27	HCl	are fat sectors the same as physical sectors?
01:32:32	preglow	no
01:32:42	HCl	well there you go
01:32:46	*	HCl goes to get some sake
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01:34:42	amiconn	HCl: Obviously not
01:35:06	amiconn	The FAT sectors on this card are 512 bytes as usual. The physical blocks are 1024 bytes
01:37:39	HCl	nods
01:41:36	preglow	what brand of sake are you having, btw?
01:41:41	preglow	i think i might pick up a bottle again soon
01:41:47	HCl	the only one we can buy here, heh
01:41:57	preglow	i have a choice of three, heh
01:41:59	HCl	i got stuff from america at the moment, not gonna do that again...
01:42:09	HCl	they only sell gekkeikan here
01:42:14	preglow	i've had that
01:42:42	preglow	ahh, yes, that's the best one i've had here
01:42:50	preglow	the other one was chinese, tasted a bit more strange
01:42:56	HCl	mmm
01:43:00	HCl	have you ever like
01:43:01	HCl	heated it?
01:43:04	preglow	yes
01:43:05	HCl	ok
01:43:06	preglow	it's better heated
01:43:07	HCl	good
01:43:08	HCl	just checking
01:43:10	preglow	tons better
01:43:13	HCl	yes, a LOT better
01:43:14	HCl	:P
01:43:35	preglow	i like most alcoholic beverages best slightly warm
01:43:39	preglow	but sake can stand more heating
01:44:00	HCl	yea
01:44:10	HCl	around 36 degrees is supposed to be perfect
01:44:15	HCl	but i've had it up to 80 too
01:44:19	HCl	flavor is best at around 40
01:44:21	preglow	haha
01:44:23	preglow	boiling sake
01:44:27	HCl	almost :p
01:44:44	preglow	but yes, i've seen they've got a japanese one here these days
01:45:24	HCl	gekkeikan is japanese
01:45:27	preglow	i expect i'll pick a bottle up the next time i'm in the nationaly sanctioned place for buying beverages with a high alcohol content
01:45:39	preglow	i thought it was brewed in the us?
01:45:48	HCl	well, this particular bottle is, yea
01:45:53	HCl	but i had 3 bottles coming from japan before
01:45:55	HCl	also gekkeikan
01:46:03	preglow	ahh
01:46:10	HCl	next time i buy it i'm gonna take a look at where its actually from
01:50:03	preglow	still, it the us one was better than the chinese one
01:50:09	preglow	s/it//
01:59:41	amiconn	preglow: As you asked why the manufacturer might use block sizes > 512 bytes - usually the cards don't implement partial block writing. That means, a block is the smallest unit that can be erased and rewritten individually. Larger block size means less blocks. Maybe this reduces the management overhead
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02:01:45	preglow	well, yes, it would probably have to do that, but it wouldn't change the overhead by much
02:01:59	preglow	then again, i really don't know much about it
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02:10:07	elinenbe	how do I rolo into the iriver firmware from within rockbox?
02:10:14	preglow	you can't
02:10:14	elinenbe	I keep getting checksum errors...
02:10:26	elinenbe	oh −− well, then that solves it!
02:10:27	elinenbe	ha.
02:10:34	preglow	i thought rolo only loaded rockbox firmwares :/
02:10:53	elinenbe	how do I boot right into the iriver firmware instead of rockbox?
02:11:07	preglow	well, i think you'd have to plain reboot
02:11:13	preglow	and press record
02:11:15	preglow	the usual deal
02:15:19	HCl	actually
02:15:20	HCl	you can
02:15:33	HCl	i think rasher made a rockbox.iriver that boots into the iriver firmware
02:15:36	HCl	maybe someone else
02:15:38	HCl	i know someone did
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02:15:49	HCl	and yea, press record
02:15:54	HCl	or use the remote play button
02:16:17	elinenbe	thanks...
02:16:18	elinenbe	I got it.
02:16:45	elinenbe	I just need to read the wiki a bit more.
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02:18:04	elinenbe	so, HCl: what's the dice with your new game?
02:21:04	elinenbe	where was the place where you could buy long lasting iriver batteries?
02:21:58	elinenbe	I remember seeing somewhere where you could buy 24 hour iriver batts...
02:22:09	preglow	www.dspstore.com ?
02:22:10	preglow	ejhh
02:22:12	preglow	www.dapstore.com
02:23:22	elinenbe	found it: http://www.dapstore.com/pd1151879454.htm?categoryId=2
02:23:26	elinenbe	yeah....
02:23:34	elinenbe	does anyone have the 1900mah batter?
02:24:02	preglow	i'm contemplating buying one, heh
02:24:45	elinenbe	29 hours is QUITE a bit!
02:25:58	preglow	indeed
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02:26:18	preglow	now, if the battery doesn't explode when in use, and if it's easy to install, i'd say it sounds good ;)
02:28:30	elinenbe	yes it does.
02:28:42	preglow	explode or sound good? :)
02:29:20	DMJC	heh
02:29:44	DMJC	I must get me one of those
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02:43:27	preglow	they also sell 30 gig disks...
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02:56:29	HCl	elinenbe: pretty much, a clone of the sega megadrive game
02:56:33	HCl	its like tetris, but cooler.
02:56:37	HCl	much cooler
02:56:55	preglow	what was that game called again?
02:57:05	HCl	mean bean machine
02:57:09	preglow	indeed
02:57:13	preglow	clone sonic the hedghegod, please :P
02:57:17	HCl	no :P
02:57:17	preglow	i love that game
02:57:29	preglow	i remember the speed nearly blew my brains out
02:57:33	HCl	port an gamegear emulator using the grayscale library :P
02:57:44	HCl	heheh.
02:57:46	HCl	i have it on my xbox
02:57:50	preglow	i require the megadrive one
02:57:56	HCl	i have the megadrive one.
02:57:57	HCl	on my xbox
02:57:58	HCl	=]
02:58:00	preglow	complete with the lovely fm synthesized music
02:58:15	HCl	i even have knuckles chaotix, the unofficial sonic 4
02:58:31	preglow	yup, i had that, before the great harddisk catastrophy of xmas 2004
02:58:34	HCl	:P
02:58:41	HCl	i can send you my roms if you want
02:58:58	preglow	that would be absolutely lovely
02:59:04	preglow	i've been looking for megadrive roms lately
02:59:12	*	HCl walks to the livingroom to turn his xbox on
02:59:54	HCl	want all 3000 of them?
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03:00:03	preglow	well, 100mbit...
03:00:05	preglow	it's all up to you
03:00:14	HCl	can i trust you to not delete anything off my xbox? :P
03:00:18	preglow	hahah
03:00:19	preglow	yes
03:00:21	preglow	pretty much
03:00:28	HCl	heheh.
03:00:36	HCl	okay. well. i guess i'll take that chance then.
03:00:46	HCl	i seriously don't want to lose anything on it, but it has no access rights control yet
03:00:50	preglow	i have no more beer, so i won't delete them in a drunken stupour
03:01:05	HCl	lag...
03:01:43	HCl	hold on
03:02:16	preglow	no hurry
03:02:35	preglow	you're not that lagged
03:02:45	HCl	no, like
03:02:53	HCl	i was lagging between my wireless and my ssh session to my irc client
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03:42:40	thegeek	aha
03:42:49	thegeek	the guilt got too much for him
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08:16:48	stevenm	this porting business isn't porting very well
08:17:53	stevenm	anyone feel like porting a bunch of c to c that builds on rockbox?
08:19:48	Rick	a bunch of the whatnow?
08:23:19	stevenm	a bunch of friggin midi code
08:23:32	stevenm	that is built with printfs and stuff
08:23:43	stevenm	fuck i have to go
08:23:49	stevenm	i want to fucking die
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08:23:55	Rick	o.o
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09:34:03	LinusN	hehe, i broke the power button on my Nokia 8310
09:34:06	LinusN	my precious
09:34:26	LinusN	took it apart, and wow! the buttons were the same kind as on the H100!
09:34:56	LinusN	so i just had to take a button from one of my broken H100, and voila!
09:35:00	LinusN	alive and kicking
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09:36:23	ashridah	that's cheating
09:36:46	LinusN	:-)
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15:14:42	WireDDD	anyone considering porting it to a gmini 400?
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15:37:25	Bagder	WireDDD: don't let us stop you
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16:23:41	karim	hi
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16:58:45	karim	"None of the initial codec implementations are running fast enough for real-time decoding. Therefore effort is needed to optimise the libraries for the iRiver environment."
16:58:46	karim	what ?
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17:00:14	preglow	what what?
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17:11:06	karim	what does this mean
17:11:40	karim	preglow, how can it be not fast enough ?
17:12:10	karim	I am not sure to understand the problem
17:12:16	karim	I am reading some docs in fact
17:13:09	karim	can't ipod linux be reused in some way ?
17:13:14	karim	I am wondering
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17:13:40	karim	I see ipod linux have a very big community behind it
17:13:46	karim	that's nice to see that
17:14:26	preglow	it's just not fast enough, we need to customize the codecs for our chip
17:14:42	preglow	ipod uses another chip, so no, i don't think so
17:15:19	karim	linux is architectured well enough to be portable
17:15:32	karim	with the modules thing and cross compilation
17:15:42	preglow	what, you mean like we should use linux?
17:15:45	preglow	that wont happen
17:15:52	karim	I don't tell you to do anything
17:16:00	preglow	no, but i'm asking if that's what you mean
17:16:13	karim	I am just examining the possibilities etcetera
17:16:15	karim	ok
17:16:27	preglow	i think using linux is very overkill
17:16:36	preglow	we'd still have the same problems we have now, if we were using linux
17:16:40	preglow	probably to a greater degree
17:16:41	karim	yes, but at the same time there is all what you need
17:16:45	preglow	no
17:16:50	preglow	absolutely not
17:16:54	preglow	the codec work would still have to be done
17:16:57	preglow	exactly like now
17:17:02	karim	I mean architecturaly talking
17:17:09	preglow	we already have an architecture
17:17:14	preglow	which would be rockbox
17:17:22	preglow	that part is working
17:17:23	karim	ok so some threads are out dated
17:17:26	karim	:)
17:17:36	karim	so rockbox could work on an ipod
17:17:46	karim	I mean the softwre layer
17:17:49	preglow	can't see any reason why it should not work
17:17:49	karim	software
17:18:03	preglow	if the ipod linux guys can do it, so can we
17:18:18	karim	you think you are better ? :)
17:18:20	karim	;)
17:18:51	preglow	not better, no
17:18:52	preglow	different
17:19:00	karim	I guess they stripped linux down to the maximum
17:19:05	karim	minimum
17:19:22	preglow	we at least don't need to do that
17:19:25	karim	what hardware have the ipod cpu wise ?
17:19:26	preglow	rockbox does just what it has to
17:19:34	preglow	yes, it uses an arm
17:19:37	preglow	a portalplayer chipset
17:19:53	karim	how powerfull is it ?
17:19:53	preglow	but then again, you could not have gotten linux working on the archos players rockbox already supports
17:20:03	preglow	it's pretty powerful, but not the most powerful thing out there
17:20:23	karim	"<preglow> but then again, you could not have gotten linux working on the archos players rockbox already supports"
17:20:24	karim	?
17:20:29	karim	I don't understand
17:20:33	karim	what you mean
17:22:08	preglow	i just mean putting linux on the old archos players would have been very hard
17:22:14	preglow	but rockbox does that
17:22:50	karim	ok
17:23:05	karim	so we are discussing
17:23:13	thegeek	gargh karim
17:23:15	thegeek	get lost
17:23:18	karim	I mean I don't want you to think I want to argue
17:23:18	thegeek	imho you are a big prick
17:23:23	karim	for you using linux
17:23:48	karim	thegeek, lol I don't even know what means prick
17:24:12	preglow	doesn't look like the ipodlinux guys have gotten very further much further ahead in the codec department
17:24:18	preglow	they've only got flac running
17:24:25	karim	thegeek, by the way that's pretty dumb from you since I consider investing time into rockbox since I own a H300
17:24:48	thegeek	oh yes, clearly a big loss for the community
17:25:13	thegeek	and no
17:25:19	thegeek	I'm not part of the rockbox team
17:25:26	karim	thegeek, who cares ?
17:25:30	thegeek	so don't let my grumpy affect you
17:25:35	thegeek	*grumpyness
17:25:52	karim	don't use complicated words
17:25:56	karim	:D
17:25:57	thegeek	?
17:26:00	thegeek	dude
17:26:02	karim	does this mean bad mmod ?
17:26:05	karim	mood
17:26:07	thegeek	yes
17:26:08	preglow	take it easy, guys
17:26:09	karim	ok
17:26:12	thegeek	grumpy is not a complicated word
17:26:13	thegeek	;)
17:26:24	thegeek	I am easy(ily annoyed)
17:26:29	thegeek	:p
17:26:44	preglow	i wish someone just dropped out of the blue insisting to do all the codec work
17:26:53	karim	problem is that talking about ipod is considered as delibarate trolling on many places
17:27:00	thegeek	no
17:27:08	karim	or troll baiting
17:27:09	thegeek	that's not what annoyed me
17:27:18	thegeek	what annoyed me was your attitude
17:27:21	karim	what is it ?
17:27:35	thegeek	it was mildly hostile/argumentative
17:27:49	karim	no
17:27:54	thegeek	well
17:27:56	thegeek	then I was wrong
17:27:58	thegeek	sorry
17:28:00	thegeek	I really mean it.
17:28:03	karim	I tried to say it at the begining
17:28:06	karim	ok
17:28:19	thegeek	just saying/claiming something does not make it true
17:28:21	thegeek	example
17:28:25	thegeek	I really like you karim .
17:28:26	karim	I said I was not trying to make rockbox use linux
17:28:51	karim	I am trying to understand the global situation
17:28:54	thegeek	oh well
17:28:59	thegeek	I don't really care
17:29:02	thegeek	atleast
17:29:05	karim	yep
17:29:07	thegeek	not enough to spend time oni t
17:29:09	thegeek	*it
17:29:16	preglow	god, they've got a ton of games
17:29:16	preglow	haha
17:29:31	karim	in fact I am intersted in doing some things to rockbox, but I really don't know where to start with
17:29:46	karim	so I just read
17:29:47	preglow	you a programmer?
17:29:51	karim	yes
17:30:07	preglow	if you happen to know coldfire assembler, please join in optimizing the codecs :P
17:30:14	thegeek	hehe;)
17:30:23	thegeek	mildly optimistic there preglow;)
17:30:26	karim	in fact I know 68000 assembler
17:30:29	karim	a bit
17:30:33	Rick	hmm, a troll?
17:30:35	karim	that's from atari days
17:30:37	*	Rick shrugs
17:30:49	*	Rick wobbles back into his hut
17:31:30	karim	preglow, so my first question was about the sentence picked in a rockbox page
17:31:33	preglow	68k asm isn't very hard
17:31:37	preglow	yes
17:31:49	preglow	the codecs are pure c, and so don't run very fastly
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17:32:03	karim	I am surprised that using direct assembler is a necessity
17:32:23	preglow	the coldfire has a emac unit that's good for doing fast multiplications
17:32:34	preglow	and we currently need to use asm to access that properly
17:32:40	karim	ok, there is no gcc optimisation yet ?
17:32:48	preglow	gcc doesn't even know the emac unit exists
17:32:53	karim	I mean it's pretty knew in gcc
17:32:54	karim	ok
17:33:00	preglow	but yes
17:33:06	preglow	i have done some work in libmad and libflac like this
17:33:08	preglow	that's in cvs
17:33:13	preglow	and i also have some work that's not in cvs
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17:33:32	karim	wouldn't it be more usefull to work on gcc ?
17:33:42	karim	optimisation
17:33:47	karim	I guess it's very very hard
17:33:51	preglow	well, yes, if you could actually make emac support in gcc, then by all means
17:33:55	preglow	i have no idea how to do it
17:34:04	preglow	and learning gcc internals takes some time
17:34:21	preglow	gcc optimizes just fine for the regular 68000 instructions
17:35:06	karim	in fact I am a bit surprised with the performance issue since you can get video from the H300
17:35:18	karim	video plus sound
17:36:31	preglow	you can count on that utilizing the emac unit heaviliy
17:36:37	preglow	hence, they must have written a ton of asm code
17:36:42	preglow	or they have a very nice compiler
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17:37:07	t0mas	hi
17:37:51	karim	just a question about ipod linux. you said they are not more further than rockbox concerning the codecs
17:38:00	preglow	no, doesn't look like it
17:38:02	preglow	they have just got flac going
17:38:16	karim	why do they need to rewrite the modules ?
17:38:37	preglow	well, obviously the compiler doesn't do a good enough job
17:38:43	preglow	i don't know, i have no experience with arm
17:38:44	karim	so in fact as far as I understand they just use linux architecture
17:38:52	karim	arm is well supported I think
17:38:55	preglow	yes, it is
17:38:58	karim	there is debian for arm
17:38:59	preglow	but they still write asm
17:39:02	karim	ok
17:39:09	preglow	libmad, for instance, has lots of arm assembler code
17:39:26	preglow	and they have rewritten some key parts of libflac in asm
17:39:51	karim	in fact I have a powermac 8200. It have a 120mhz ppc cpu and 64 meg of ram
17:40:04	karim	this can run linux
17:40:22	karim	I just don't realise how does machines can compare in term of power
17:41:43	preglow	most things can run linux
17:41:46	karim	if iriver is doing the firmware in assembly this can explain why the firmware are not often updated
17:41:48	preglow	but i've got to run, back soon
17:42:00	karim	bye
17:42:05	karim	thanks for the info
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18:01:02	karim	just a question
18:01:15	karim	about the performance issue
18:01:30	karim	I have just read something about how hard it would to use ogg on ipods
18:02:03	karim	the reason invoked is about the memory of the cpu
18:02:12	karim	wich is of 96ko
18:02:39	karim	and the latency needed to acces to the 32mo ram
18:02:54	preglow	well, the coldfire has the exact same issues
18:02:57	karim	the reason is that executing code directly in the ram takes to much power
18:03:00	karim	ok
18:03:10	preglow	we do have a code cache, though
18:03:10	karim	hum, to much cycles
18:03:29	preglow	coldfire also has 96kbyte internal fast ram
18:03:31	karim	preglow, how big is the cache
18:03:32	karim	ok
18:03:33	preglow	and 32 meg slow ram
18:03:39	preglow	the cache is four kilobytes
18:03:42	preglow	no data cache
18:04:15	karim	oh that's the 4096bytes that are mentionned for music samples
18:04:16	karim	?
18:04:26	karim	so how the hell did they manage to run video ?
18:04:26	karim	lol
18:04:27	preglow	no
18:04:35	karim	ok
18:04:38	preglow	well, they just made good code
18:04:41	preglow	i have no idea
18:05:32	karim	ok I realise more and more that talking of linux is really out of place since rockbox is really a real OS
18:05:54	karim	that can fit more what is needed by the way
18:06:15	karim	is there docs about how the fast ram problem is managed ?
18:06:28	karim	is there somekind of video ram ?
18:07:49	preglow	rockbox most certainly is an os
18:07:55	preglow	no video ram
18:08:11	preglow	that is, we have a framebuffer, but that has to be manually uploaded to the lcd for it to be displayed
18:08:24	amiconn	Grmbl :(
18:09:01	preglow	what up
18:09:59	amiconn	I have 2 Ondios here. Mine does handle playlists fine, but whenever I try to save a dynamic playlist, I get 'Error accessing playlist file'
18:10:13	amiconn	...on the other ondio, that is
18:10:53	amiconn	...and with rockbox compiled from the same source tree
18:11:08	preglow	excellent...
18:11:30	amiconn	The only difference is that mine is an Ondio SP, while the other is an FM
18:11:44	amiconn	However, this code isn't model specific
18:12:23	preglow	well, it obviously should be :)
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20:02:02	amiconn	preglow: Now I know what's happening on the Ondio
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20:05:50	preglow	what?
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23:07:34	t0mas	intresting silence here :)
23:09:19	Rick	That's not silence.
23:09:30	preglow	it at least isn't anymore!
23:10:44	t0mas	oh, who killed the silence? ;)
23:12:45	preglow	we'll have to call for sherlock holmes here
23:12:50	preglow	the lack of evidence is overwhelming
23:13:33	t0mas	yeah
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23:13:58	t0mas\|holmes	I'll check out the logs
23:16:13	t0mas\|holmes	I have him
23:16:18	t0mas\|holmes	[23:10:57] <t0mas> intresting silence here :)
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23:17:52	*	t0mas is away: watching tv or something...
23:19:17	preglow	the swine!
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