00:01:44 | bill20r3 | Dragon, this may be helpfull: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8659/crc.htm |
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00:04:18 | [IDC]Dragon | bill20r3: I've done CRCs before |
00:04:33 | bill20r3 | ahh |
00:04:36 | * | bill20r3 hasn't |
00:04:41 | [IDC]Dragon | but indeed need a non-table algorithm |
00:04:42 | bill20r3 | but now I know a tiny bit about them |
00:05:03 | bill20r3 | do you have any code or any other info on this you can link me to? |
00:05:19 | [IDC]Dragon | rockbox contains CRC code |
00:05:26 | [IDC]Dragon | (I made it) |
00:05:38 | [IDC]Dragon | or, found and adapted it ;-) |
00:06:00 | [IDC]Dragon | it's in the debug menu and the flash plugins |
00:07:29 | HCl | yea. |
00:07:43 | HCl | we use it all around for the tagdatabase nowadays too |
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00:37:18 | [IDC]Dragon | 'night! |
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00:40:15 | pill | hmm |
00:40:39 | pill | can someone tell me how to get the tag database working please? |
00:40:42 | pill | like |
00:40:51 | pill | a quick explanation |
00:41:09 | pill | on ihp 1x0 |
00:42:59 | thegeek | please read the wiki |
00:45:27 | pill | i did |
00:45:36 | pill | well i quickly overviewed |
00:45:43 | pill | :| |
00:45:53 | pill | i'll go through it all then |
00:46:01 | pill | i guess i was just being lazy |
00:47:21 | pill | hm |
00:47:36 | pill | actually please disregard my question |
00:47:41 | pill | it's really too easy |
00:47:42 | pill | :x |
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01:01:07 | HCl | hrm. |
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03:48:39 | Lurkski | anyone home? |
03:51:02 | Lurkski | yoohoo? |
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04:31:48 | jayjayjayjay | Hello... |
04:32:56 | jayjayjayjay | Is there some people working on the iriver port here? |
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04:45:33 | HCl | when they're not sleeping |
04:46:02 | * | HCl looks around briefly and rubs his eyes, peering into his laptop light, just waking up from dreaming he had cancer |
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04:53:49 | tiegs | hello |
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04:54:20 | tiegs | HC1 ? |
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04:59:07 | tiegs | hello |
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05:18:49 | tiegs | test |
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05:36:06 | alxcm | lol |
05:36:34 | * | alxcm waves |
05:36:54 | * | CheeseBurgerMan waves back. |
05:44:59 | alxcm | ;) |
05:46:08 | CheeseBurgerMan | :) |
05:48:01 | Rori | what is it with keyboards? I can never seem to find the right one |
05:48:19 | Rori | I always end up with keyboards that don't 'feel' quite right |
05:48:53 | ze | Rori: my fav keyboard (so far) is the single product sold by microsoft that i don't hate :p |
05:48:58 | ze | the natural elite |
05:49:09 | Rori | googling |
05:49:14 | CheeseBurgerMan | I've just got some old laptop. |
05:49:20 | CheeseBurgerMan | I like it's keyboard. :) |
05:49:43 | alxcm | lol |
05:49:47 | alxcm | i love my laptop keyboard |
05:49:59 | CheeseBurgerMan | It just feels so......right. |
05:50:03 | CheeseBurgerMan | ;) |
05:50:07 | alxcm | ok, stop there |
05:50:07 | ze | the M$ natural's are ergonomic, the elite is a bit more compact and i like the layout better |
05:50:10 | alxcm | let's not go there, CheeseBurgerMan |
05:50:12 | Rori | hmm not sure I can cope with a sloped keyboard |
05:50:27 | alxcm | i hate those split and sloped keyboards |
05:50:28 | ze | i hate straight keyboards, forcing your wrists together |
05:50:52 | ze | this leaves my hands/wrists/arms in a natural position |
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05:51:40 | Rori | I'm a 2 finger typist |
05:51:47 | Rori | I type very badly :) |
05:51:49 | ze | heh |
05:52:04 | Rori | though I can get about pretty fast still |
05:52:09 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol - I type with all my fingers. |
05:52:15 | Rori | just don't ask me to type in the dark |
05:52:21 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
05:52:39 | ze | heh |
05:52:44 | CheeseBurgerMan | Just turn up your moniters brightness... |
05:52:44 | Rori | I always intended to learn to touch type but never get around to it |
05:52:47 | ze | i type in the dark all the time |
05:52:50 | CheeseBurgerMan | Me too. |
05:52:53 | Rori | heh |
05:53:04 | ze | my old natural elite (which broke in 2000), i sanded all the letters off the keys |
05:53:06 | Rori | is your mirc window black or white background? |
05:53:09 | Rori | irc |
05:53:16 | ze | black background |
05:53:19 | CheeseBurgerMan | I've got a greenish back ground. |
05:53:20 | Rori | same |
05:53:26 | Rori | black is nice |
05:53:29 | CheeseBurgerMan | Black and purple text. |
05:53:38 | ze | yeah |
05:53:39 | Rori | ewww |
05:53:49 | * | CheeseBurgerMan has unique tastes. :) |
05:53:51 | CheeseBurgerMan | ;) |
05:53:52 | ze | i just need to make black-backgrounded gtk/qt/firefox themes that don't suck |
05:53:53 | Rori | my text is light blue and your is white |
05:54:06 | CheeseBurgerMan | Ah. |
05:54:07 | ze | i use light gray text |
05:54:12 | CheeseBurgerMan | I use black. |
05:54:13 | ze | for the most part |
05:54:34 | CheeseBurgerMan | Mine shows up as black, and everybody else shows up as purple. |
05:54:47 | Rori | let me try other colors |
05:55:08 | Rori | hmmm |
05:55:10 | Rori | yuk |
05:55:23 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
05:55:28 | ze | ze.yi.org:8042/irc_window.png">http://ze.yi.org:8042/irc_window.png |
05:55:57 | Rori | I like mine looking like ansi |
05:56:27 | Rori | I made your text light grey it is a bit easier on the eye |
05:57:05 | Rori | I can't seem to select my own custom color in mirc though :P |
05:57:18 | CheeseBurgerMan | Right click on a color. |
05:57:21 | Rori | I wanted a deep shade near black but not quite black |
05:57:42 | Rori | ah |
05:57:43 | Rori | ta |
05:58:27 | Rori | sorta dark dark purple now |
05:58:32 | Rori | background |
05:58:41 | Rori | lol |
05:58:47 | ze | i'm limited to ansi colors |
05:58:53 | ze | since it basically uses ansi to color it |
05:58:54 | ze | heh |
05:59:15 | Rori | ansi in yer pantsi |
05:59:34 | Rori | I used to love the old ansi bbs's |
05:59:45 | Rori | I ran PCBoard for a while |
05:59:50 | ze | heh |
06:00 |
06:00:05 | Rori | on dual 28.8's :) |
06:00:10 | ze | i only ever got on one bbs, and that was while i was waiting to get internet access |
06:00:51 | Rori | Oddball's Diner. The place for your daily does of baud sucking flying ANSI graphics |
06:00:57 | Rori | dose |
06:01:23 | Rori | I coded a lot of it myself it looked great |
06:01:27 | ze | hehe |
06:01:42 | Rori | I had a fake DOS prompt for the bozos who thought they could hack me |
06:01:47 | CheeseBurgerMan | Just a minute, I'm going to upload a screen shot for mine. |
06:02:11 | Rori | and after a while it faked a format on their C drive lol |
06:02:23 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
06:02:30 | Rori | To see them disconnect suddenly was funny |
06:02:37 | ze | hehehe |
06:03:05 | Rori | I checked plugins for backdoors and when there was one I made it do that instead |
06:04:08 | Rori | I loved to Bluebox back before the net was usefull |
06:05:45 | CheeseBurgerMan | Uploading.... |
06:06:10 | Rori | sadly I lost it all and even the stuff I coded myself. all gone :/ |
06:06:18 | CheeseBurgerMan | :( |
06:07:04 | Rori | ah well |
06:07:12 | ze | Rori: that sucks |
06:07:52 | CheeseBurgerMan | http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6446/mircscreen5fv.png |
06:07:59 | Rori | I made some nice things too. Like this great animated ansi menu with a banner at the top and animated clock |
06:08:00 | CheeseBurgerMan | That's mine. :) |
06:08:07 | ze | CheeseBurgerMan: yuck heh |
06:08:20 | Rori | putrid colors dude |
06:08:33 | Rori | are you color blind? ;) |
06:08:41 | Rori | you soon will be :) |
06:08:45 | ze | hehe |
06:09:00 | CheeseBurgerMan | I like it... |
06:09:01 | CheeseBurgerMan | :) |
06:09:11 | * | CheeseBurgerMan is unique. ;P |
06:09:12 | CheeseBurgerMan | :P* |
06:09:36 | Rori | I gotta go to the puter fair later to try and find a remote mini keyboard with inbuilt mouse controller |
06:10:06 | Rori | My old one died. I use it as a glorified remote control in front of the TV |
06:10:42 | Rori | saves me getting up to the computer to pause video etc |
06:11:12 | Rori | damned expensive they are on the net (at least in the UK) |
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06:11:24 | ze | i built a cheapo serial lirc reciever for our pvr and programmed it and the universal remote with matching button sets |
06:11:42 | ze | no good for entering data, but great for controlling mythtv |
06:12:48 | Rori | http://www.misco.co.uk/tracker/tradedoubler/redirect.aspx?tduid=8fd68672e0b3c067e872427ab830f6bf&url=http://www.misco.co.uk/productinformation/~66916~/product.htm?affiliate=2004 |
06:13:28 | ze | neat |
06:13:38 | ze | i'd like to have something like that for entering text and also for PC games |
06:13:52 | ze | although for PC games i really need a trackball to go with it |
06:13:52 | ze | heh |
06:14:18 | Rori | they do pad or trackball |
06:15:45 | Rori | think I might get a trackball one if I can find one |
06:16:02 | Rori | but if I find a cheapo one at the fair with pad I will just grab that |
06:16:11 | ze | hehe |
06:16:29 | ze | i'm used to a particular kind of trackball anyway, logitech trackman marbles |
06:16:37 | ze | fast and smooth w/ optical tracking |
06:17:05 | ze | they make some lame models though with a big ball in the middle that you gotta operate with your index finger |
06:17:19 | ze | i like the thumb-operated kind, much greater range of motion |
06:17:38 | ze | but then the newer ones, which i currently have one of, they made about half the size and its too small for my hand and tends to move around more cause its too light |
06:17:40 | Rori | I have one |
06:18:02 | Rori | mine is the big ball for thumb. it's red with black dots all over it |
06:18:07 | ze | yeah |
06:18:17 | Rori | I stopped using it though |
06:18:31 | Rori | back with a cordless mouse from Logitech for the moment |
06:18:36 | ze | heh |
06:18:36 | Rori | I am always switching around |
06:18:54 | ze | if i could get one of the original ones but with a scrollwheel and cordless... that'd be like perfect |
06:18:54 | Rori | I think switching jelps actuallyh |
06:18:58 | Rori | helps |
06:19:16 | ashridah | ugh |
06:19:19 | ze | i don't remember if they made the full-sized ones with scrollwheels |
06:19:33 | Rori | I wonder why my 'o' key is a bit worn on this keyboard :) |
06:19:36 | ashridah | i just got an addressing error when i tried to play a .ogg file |
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06:20:05 | Rori | O and L |
06:20:31 | ze | maybe it's getting too OL'd |
06:20:50 | * | Rori sings no L no L, no L no L...born is the king of IsraeL. |
06:20:52 | ashridah | yep. vorbis playback is broken |
06:21:08 | Rori | again? |
06:21:15 | Rori | vorbis playback is always getting broken |
06:21:32 | Rori | stop breaking ogg dudes |
06:21:34 | Rori | heh |
06:21:45 | Rori | and since I use it a lot now for gapless too! |
06:23:18 | Rori | http://www.datahand.com/ |
06:23:27 | Rori | type like that dudes |
06:24:10 | ze | crazy |
06:24:25 | Rori | you have to learn the key combos |
06:25:11 | Rori | like press left forfinger and right thumb for a B etc |
06:25:22 | Rori | heh |
06:25:29 | ze | hmm |
06:25:32 | ze | funky |
06:25:40 | ze | i use dvorak |
06:25:47 | Rori | I'd rather learn to play the piano |
06:26:06 | Rori | http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-dual.html |
06:26:07 | ze | i do that too |
06:26:07 | ze | :p |
06:26:18 | ze | sometimes anyway |
06:26:52 | ze | i don't like the look of that one |
06:26:52 | ze | heh |
06:28:14 | Rori | I want thought controlled |
06:28:28 | ze | yeah |
06:30:09 | Rori | yawn |
06:30:36 | ze | i keep wondering if i couldn't adapt the stuff from the retropsychokenisis project into an input mechanism |
06:30:48 | ze | steeeep learning curve, but if i could get the hang of it, it'd own |
06:31:08 | Rori | wuuuh |
06:31:56 | ze | i was pretty good at the rpk when i did their online stuff |
06:31:59 | ze | hard to be consistent though |
06:32:58 | ze | the less i do it, the better it works out it seems |
06:33:04 | ze | like if i just get on and do one single run |
06:33:08 | ze | every once in a while |
06:33:33 | ze | i'll get like a 1 in 1000 probability score or thereabouts pretty consistently |
06:33:47 | ze | but if i just keep doing it over and over then i tend not to get so good |
06:34:00 | Rori | no idea what you are on about :) |
06:34:20 | ze | and i get the worst when its doing a recorded run... knowing that its logged and will get counted for a stored score throws off the mindset for me |
06:34:51 | ze | Rori: retropsychokenisis is the phenomena of psychokeneticlly affecting things retroactively |
06:34:54 | ze | heh |
06:35:15 | Rori | sounds like bs |
06:35:19 | ze | Rori: there's this project online |
06:35:29 | ze | they've got some hardware true random number generators |
06:35:36 | ze | based on radioactive decay or something i think |
06:35:47 | ze | then a computer collects the random numbers and stores them |
06:35:50 | * | Rori puts on his tinfoil hat |
06:35:59 | ze | without anybody observing them |
06:36:07 | webguest92 | I'd be putting tinfoil on somewhere lower... |
06:36:17 | ze | then there's java interfaces on the web |
06:36:19 | Rori | maybe I should get one of these http://www.chillblast.com/product.php?productid=16248&cat=0&page=1 |
06:36:34 | ze | that read the stored random numbers and display them graphically by a couple different methods |
06:36:38 | ze | i like the plain bell curve one |
06:36:43 | ze | it just shows a bell curve and a line |
06:36:53 | ze | and the line moves left or right or stays centered or whatever |
06:37:06 | ze | indicating the deviation from the mean for the current random number |
06:37:22 | ze | and just goes through the stored random numbers one after another, displaying it like that |
06:37:22 | Rori | I am a tree |
06:37:43 | ze | so the idea is you pick one way or the other, left or right |
06:37:45 | Rori | see me spread my branches |
06:37:48 | ze | and try to get the line to go as far that way as you can |
06:37:56 | * | Rori got wood |
06:38:17 | * | ashridah wanders off to repeatedly stab someone who turned on an out-of-office responder for a mailing list. |
06:38:45 | ze | Rori: looks neat but i wouldn't really care for a kb like that |
06:38:45 | ze | heh |
06:39:12 | * | Rori plays with his Bell Curve |
06:39:24 | ze | heh |
06:39:47 | ze | then it goes for some limited length of time |
06:39:48 | Rori | ze you must visit those new world order sites or something |
06:40:04 | Rori | David Ike and the lizards |
06:40:13 | ze | and shows you results like the furthest you got it to go and what % of the time it was deviated by the mean by how much or somesuch like that, been a while since i looked at it |
06:40:44 | Rori | here is a link for you http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,972764,00.html |
06:40:45 | ze | and what probability the total outcome would happen by chance |
06:41:10 | ze | Rori: not really |
06:41:49 | ze | Rori: this stuff is actually based on the current most-commonly accepted interpretation (among physicists) of quantum theory |
06:42:14 | Rori | Herbie Fully Loaded |
06:42:31 | Rori | It's a car but it's alive see |
06:43:47 | ze | Rori: which is that when a random event has multiple equally-likely outcomes, it exists in a super-position of all those different possibilities untill it's observed by a conscious entity, at which point the superposition collapses into just one of those possibilities, which is the one observed |
06:44:21 | ze | Rori: since consciousness itself is affecting the event, then it might be possible for it to bias the outcome |
06:44:52 | Rori | I love theorists |
06:45:18 | Rori | They make up all these explanations of why something does such and such but can't actually prove it |
06:45:24 | ze | Rori: nobody's worked out yet exactly why all the quantum probabilities collapse into the classical deterministic world on the macroscopic scales |
06:45:39 | Rori | sounds like a lot of big words to me :P |
06:45:54 | ze | Rori: well actually quantum theory holds the whole superposition thing as true no matter what interpretation you take |
06:46:08 | ze | Rori: the different interpretations that're out there are just different takes on what makes it end up being one way or another |
06:46:09 | * | Rori likes the theory of reality bubbles |
06:46:35 | ze | Rori: and quantum theory is the single most succesful theory to describe the phenomena its concerned with ever devised by people |
06:47:10 | ze | Rori: successful in the sense of both describing behavior previously known empirically, and also of making predictions that have been confirmed in new experiments |
06:47:29 | Rori | soothsayers would be appalled |
06:47:34 | ze | Rori: quantum electrodynamics particularly |
06:48:23 | Rori | ah well...without theories I guess we would not have a lot of cool tech stuff |
06:48:32 | ze | Rori: its an ironic twist of fate that many of physicists who hated quantum theory, including einstein, have formulated arguments against it that they considered absurd, which have then had testable consequences that turned out to work out the way their "absurd" arguments predicted |
06:48:56 | ze | Rori: so in trying to dissent to quantum theory, they've inadvertently lended further support and development to it |
06:49:28 | Rori | if it's not reproducable on a consistent basis I won't believe it |
06:49:35 | ze | it is |
06:49:36 | ze | heh |
06:50:04 | ze | like i said, for its scope, its the most successful theory we've got |
06:50:13 | Rori | I've seen some weird stuff in my time though like balls of orange light floating through fields |
06:50:25 | Rori | so I won't say it's all baloney |
06:50:33 | ze | although a screwed up aspect of it is that while it describes the behaviour of electrodynamic phenomena perfectly |
06:50:42 | ze | it doesn't give any explanation as to how it happens |
06:50:46 | ze | heh |
06:51:03 | ze | nothing behind-the-scenes |
06:51:07 | Rori | I like those things they capture on cameras |
06:51:17 | Rori | things flying through the air at high speeds |
06:51:22 | Rori | rods |
06:51:22 | ze | we've just got these equations that we can plug things into and they give us the same result our experiments will |
06:51:31 | ze | but it doesn't say how it works out that way |
06:51:31 | Rori | nobody can explain those |
06:51:45 | ze | heh yeah there's all kinds of funky stuff out there |
06:51:50 | ze | the 1st thing you described sounds like ball lightning |
06:51:57 | ze | the last thing, dunno |
06:52:03 | Rori | rods are weird |
06:52:26 | Rori | most explainations are that it's the electrical circuitry causing interference |
06:53:04 | ze | but yeah what i do with the retropsychokenesis is the same thing i do with this dice game, 10,000 |
06:53:10 | ze | i've played it with my parents a bunch |
06:53:17 | ze | and several times i got into this particular attitude sortof |
06:53:21 | Rori | most of the weirdest stuff I have seen those was while tripping on lsd ;) |
06:53:29 | ze | and as long as i was in that state of mind, i'd ridiculously own them at the dice game |
06:54:05 | ze | sometimes i'd start to slip out of it a bit, and then i'd roll and it wouldn't be a good roll |
06:54:06 | Rori | you a number counter? |
06:54:16 | Rori | you'd be banned from Vegas :) |
06:54:29 | ze | but as long as i kept that attitude, the dice always came up good for me and bad for them |
06:54:44 | ze | no, i don't know how to do any kind of logical cheats or any of that |
06:54:55 | ze | this is just simple throwing 6 dice |
06:55:07 | Rori | you'd get along with my crop circle friend |
06:55:11 | ze | and trying to get 1's, 5's, 3+ of a kind, or 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
06:55:58 | Rori | first dude to get arrested for making crop circles in the UK. I also know that dude who hacked into the Pentagon some years back lol |
06:56:31 | ze | Rori: quit grouping things together that're unrelated |
06:56:34 | Rori | you know the one they said could have caused ww3 (yeah right) |
06:56:45 | Rori | lol |
06:56:45 | ze | nope dunno that i heard about that |
06:57:15 | Rori | I'm just trying to steer away from convos about probability |
06:57:25 | Rori | and quantum theory |
06:57:35 | ze | hehe |
06:57:44 | Rori | because I don't understand it and frankly don't realy care |
06:58:00 | ze | well forget about quantum theory and probability |
06:58:06 | Rori | it's all voodoo to me |
06:58:45 | ze | i'm just saying... i've been able to affect random processes, and it'd be neat if i could put together an input mechanism based on it |
06:58:48 | ze | :p |
06:58:59 | Rori | is the universe expanding or decaying? |
06:59:17 | ze | as far as we know, its expansion seems to be accelerating |
06:59:18 | Rori | wrong word...collapsing |
06:59:24 | Rori | hmm |
06:59:38 | ze | which has prompted them to invent "dark energy" |
06:59:41 | Rori | how can you measure it? |
06:59:48 | Rori | dark matter lol |
06:59:54 | ze | no not dark matter |
07:00 |
07:00:24 | ze | "dark matter" is what they invented because galaxies behave as though they have way way way more gravity than the visible mass of them would produce |
07:00:47 | ze | "dark energy" is the repulsive force thats accelerating the expansion of the universe |
07:00:50 | ze | heh |
07:01:12 | Rori | I thought it was just inertia |
07:01:45 | ze | between the 2, the visible matter of the universe only accounts for 1% or less of the total mass of the universe, and the total matter of the universe only accounts for 1% or less of the total energy in the universe |
07:02:10 | Rori | they can't figure out what the rest is |
07:02:17 | ze | which means that everything we can see in a 13 billion lightyear span around us is an insignificant little portion of existance |
07:02:42 | ze | inertia would keep it going at a steady velocity |
07:02:55 | Rori | ic |
07:03:02 | ze | except that gravity would be dragging against it, pulling things back |
07:03:35 | ze | the question used to be whether inertia would win out and reach a point where gravity can no longer pull things back together, and we'd get the heat death of the universe as everything spreads out indefinately |
07:03:39 | Rori | well maybe something outside our own ideas is pulling it ever outwards |
07:03:48 | ze | or, if gravity would drag on it enough to pull everything back inward and make a "big crunch" |
07:04:10 | Rori | or maybe there is no out or in |
07:04:11 | ze | but recent observations suggest that, like i said, the expansion is actually accelerating somehow |
07:04:21 | Rori | maybe it's a moebius loop :) |
07:04:27 | ze | could be |
07:04:40 | * | Rori gets flashbacks of TNG |
07:04:41 | ze | lots of theories hold the universe to be various shapes that loop in on themselves |
07:04:58 | ze | some take it like the surface of a sphere except in 3 dimensions |
07:05:11 | ze | you know if you're on the surface of a sphere and you go in one direction you'll come back around to where you started |
07:05:17 | Rori | the idea that there is no inside or outside always strians my brain |
07:05:25 | ze | abstract that to a dimension higher, and thats how some take the universe to be |
07:05:26 | Rori | strains |
07:06:05 | ze | the surface of a hypersphere i guess |
07:06:10 | ze | but others say maybe its a hypertorus |
07:06:15 | ze | or some other hypergeometry |
07:06:15 | ze | heh |
07:06:15 | Rori | if you could travel to the end of the universe would you end up back where you were? hmm |
07:06:46 | Rori | maybe space is folded |
07:06:57 | ze | i'm not sure if you could travel fast enough to outrace the expansion to ever try it |
07:07:01 | ze | heh |
07:07:28 | Rori | maybe you get to the end and God has a big sign saying 'out of bounds' |
07:07:53 | ze | heh |
07:08:21 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
07:08:24 | Rori | maybe the end of the universe is beyond the microscopic |
07:08:45 | * | CheeseBurgerMan wonder what that has to do with Rockbox... :| :P ;) |
07:09:08 | Rori | if you could magnify small enough you'd see God waving back at you |
07:09:43 | Rori | all these atom smashers |
07:09:54 | Rori | one day they will cause a black hole |
07:10:16 | ze | i think i read about them making a short-lived micro black hole at some point |
07:10:23 | ze | or at least plans to make one, i forget |
07:10:24 | Rori | aye |
07:10:36 | ze | they've made antimatter too |
07:10:45 | Rori | I saw a funny BBC short movie 5 different ways the world could end :) |
07:10:47 | ze | first individual antimatter particles |
07:10:54 | ze | and now they've mde antihydrogen atoms |
07:11:00 | Rori | one was that |
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07:11:17 | ze | next they're building traps so they can contain the antihydrogen atoms to experiment with them more |
07:11:42 | webguest25 | hello i have a question |
07:11:47 | Rori | we need fusion |
07:12:23 | webguest25 | on the daily page i do not see a link labled latest under iriver. could someobody tell me why??? |
07:12:24 | ze | we've got fusion... not any efficient ways though |
07:12:44 | Rori | they got room temp fusion to work but it requires lots more energy in than they can get out |
07:13:12 | ze | i recently read about pyrofusion i think it was |
07:13:29 | ze | http://www.aip.org/pnu/2005/split/729-1.html |
07:13:41 | Rori | and forget hydrogen power plants for some time |
07:13:51 | webguest25 | anybody got any ideas? |
07:14:18 | ze | webguest25: no clue |
07:14:36 | Rori | I'm off. I don't do science stuff. |
07:14:49 | ze | heh |
07:14:49 | webguest25 | hmmm |
07:14:53 | Rori | I barely comprehend how to operate this computer |
07:15:16 | Rori | ipso facto neato |
07:15:16 | webguest25 | lol |
07:15:21 | ze | heh |
07:15:21 | CheeseBurgerMan | lol |
07:15:24 | ze | whatever |
07:15:25 | ze | have fun |
07:15:28 | Rori | tata |
07:16:02 | webguest25 | i love the greyscale cant wait for more of it to appear. looks beatuful |
07:18:35 | CheeseBurgerMan | Not nealy as beautiful as the H300s will look (:P) But yes, that'll be a great step forward. :) |
07:18:53 | * | CheeseBurgerMan is an H320 owner. ;) |
07:19:11 | Cassandra | webguest25: The build system was changed yesterday to allow builiding for H100,H110,H115. As a result of this the H120 build changed. When the daily build runs in an hour or two, there should be a link again. In the meantime, you could use the bleeding edge build at the bottom of the page. The next daily will almost certainly be identical to it., |
07:20:10 | webguest25 | well im not that worried just wanted to know where the button went. thanks cassandra |
07:20:49 | Cassandra | You're welcome. |
07:22:34 | Coldtoast | who here is using the latest bleeding edge? |
07:22:50 | webguest25 | are they working on the lcd screen? i noticed that they got it to work on the simulator |
07:22:51 | ashridah | me |
07:23:13 | Coldtoast | I updated, unplugged USB and got a PANIC and message about "empty dir size update" or something |
07:23:33 | Coldtoast | reset and now it fils to boot rockbox so boots the iriver fw instead |
07:23:51 | ashridah | sounds like something's messed up with the rockbox.iriver file |
07:24:12 | Coldtoast | yeah. I'll download it again I think |
07:24:21 | ashridah | chkdsk it from the usb boot loader screen, and reinstall it from a working copy |
07:24:32 | Cassandra | Coldtoast: Did you rerun "configure" before building. |
07:24:54 | Coldtoast | I just dl the ready made one from the rickbox site Cassandra |
07:25:00 | ashridah | Cassandra: he's using daily builds |
07:25:07 | Cassandra | Oh, right. |
07:25:18 | Cassandra | I rolled my own, that seemed to work. |
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07:28:09 | Coldtoast | hmmm. my battery remain time is now over 10hrs wrong |
07:28:10 | Cassandra | You can try using my build from christi/misc/rockbox.zip.">http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/rockbox.zip. |
07:28:21 | Coldtoast | says 15hrs, 10mins |
07:28:37 | Coldtoast | I re-downloaded. works now :) |
07:28:56 | Cassandra | OK. Must've been a duff download then. |
07:29:07 | Coldtoast | I have a 2200mAH battery in mine now and before updating, rockbox was reporting 27hrs 30mins |
07:29:14 | Coldtoast | now it says 15hrs 10mins |
07:29:45 | Cassandra | I've noticed battery time tends to be underreported after turning on. Give it a minute or two. |
07:29:55 | tiegs | can anyone suggest best way to rip OGG files from a disc? |
07:30:11 | Coldtoast | ok |
07:30:16 | ze | tiegs: what OS? |
07:30:25 | tiegs | i just tried some crap shareware that ripped/converted at like 96kb |
07:30:29 | Cassandra | Exact audio copy and the Ogg Vorbis encoder works for me. |
07:30:31 | tiegs | xp home |
07:30:32 | Coldtoast | tiegs: Exact Audio Copy with oggenc.dll |
07:30:39 | ze | ah yeah then EAC i guess |
07:30:50 | Coldtoast | or is it oggenc.exe? heh |
07:30:55 | tiegs | hi cold..could you give me a link please? i am not having luck w EAC |
07:31:03 | ze | for linux i use your mom's gaping cunt |
07:31:06 | ashridah | cdex works okay in windows i've been told. |
07:31:08 | ze | (script a friend wrote, ymgc) |
07:31:25 | ashridah | for ripping anyway |
07:31:29 | Cassandra | ze: Your friend badly needs a life. |
07:31:31 | ashridah | don't remember if it encodes as well |
07:31:32 | Coldtoast | http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ |
07:31:48 | ze | Cassandra: the name might've been my idea... or a collaborative effort |
07:31:52 | tiegs | EAC wanted me to use the LAME f or MP3- had no clue how to import the LAME extractor or whatever itor |
07:32:04 | Cassandra | Then you both badly need a life. :) |
07:32:10 | ze | hehe |
07:32:11 | tiegs | thnx cold - i have that..which one? |
07:32:41 | ze | Cassandra: you probably wouldnt appreciate this vocoder test i did then |
07:32:42 | ze | :p |
07:32:43 | ghode|afk | tiegs: you could also try foobar |
07:32:44 | ashridah | sounds like he wrote cdparanoia for windows |
07:33:00 | Cassandra | tiegs: It's pretty simple. Download a build of LAME, and copy lame.dll into your EAC directory. |
07:33:43 | tiegs | well, my concern is i want GAPLESS and no mp3 whatever the bit rate worked, only OGG worked for a truly gaples playback- i am hoping i can get that from commercial discs as well |
07:33:45 | Coldtoast | woah! so Rockbox's FLAC is pretty efficient then! |
07:34:27 | tiegs | did i say something wrong?? |
07:34:32 | Cassandra | tiegs: Rockbox's MP3 player supports gapless, provided you encode with a recent version of lame. |
07:34:45 | ze | tiegs: lame's the only encoder i know of that has features specifically for gapless playback... which basically consists, i think, of storing a bit of extra info that tells players that support it what silence to skip |
07:34:53 | tiegs | ok, i downloaded lame 3.96.1 |
07:35:01 | Cassandra | That should do it. |
07:35:13 | ze | vorbis > mp3 though |
07:35:14 | ze | :p |
07:35:30 | tiegs | when i open that folder there is an .exe which when clicked seems to open a dos box that disappears |
07:35:30 | ghode|afk | oggenc2.exe > all |
07:36:00 | Cassandra | I think either will give you gapless in Rockbox. |
07:36:15 | ze | tiegs: the lame binary should be called by EAC |
07:36:24 | Coldtoast | Cassandra: battery time is still reported as 15 hrs 10 mins after a few minutes |
07:36:25 | ze | or the dll i dunno |
07:36:28 | ze | whatever eac uses |
07:37:02 | tiegs | so i have 2 folders downloaded - eac and lame..now what? |
07:37:11 | Coldtoast | hadn't updated in a day and battery time was 27hrs 30mins so it seems battery time is more wrong again |
07:37:27 | Cassandra | ct: Maybe settings got reset. Have you checked that the battery power is set correctly in your settiings? |
07:37:41 | * | Cassandra can't remember any recent changes to the battery code. |
07:37:50 | tiegs | when i run the EAC.exe and point to files, it makes them WAV only - what am i doing wrong? |
07:38:09 | Coldtoast | yeah |
07:38:09 | Cassandra | You need to copy lame.dll from the lame folder to the EAC folder. |
07:38:17 | Coldtoast | I changed it then changed it back to 2200mAH |
07:38:26 | Coldtoast | I'll try the latest daily |
07:38:56 | tiegs | just paste in there all alone? |
07:39:26 | Cassandra | Yep. Then restart EAC and there should be a LAME.DLL tab under "Compression Options" |
07:39:44 | Coldtoast | oh. there's no link for Daily any more! |
07:39:48 | tiegs | ok..let me try..one sec..ty |
07:39:56 | Coldtoast | just has "Older". no "Latest" |
07:40:01 | Cassandra | ct: Wait a couple of hours. |
07:40:28 | Cassandra | But the next daily will be the same as the current bleeding edge most likely. |
07:40:41 | Coldtoast | oh. what time is there? |
07:40:56 | Coldtoast | aah. almost 00:00 |
07:40:59 | ghode|afk | i'm not sure why people bother with dailys :/ |
07:41:07 | Coldtoast | o just after |
07:41:33 | Cassandra | ghode|afk: If there have just been commits, the bleeding edge builds can be flaky sometimes. |
07:42:12 | tiegs | i se the compression options, but when go to convert i still get it looking like wants to do WAV |
07:42:47 | ghode|afk | same thing can be said for the dailys. and if there were bugs, they are usually fixed in the bleeding edge builds. would save alot of hassle if there was a note somewhere that said people should try the latest build before reporting bugs ;/ |
07:43:29 | Coldtoast | nah it wouldn't |
07:43:40 | Coldtoast | wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imho |
07:44:08 | Coldtoast | 1) ppl trying the bleedign edge builds know that anyway and 2) ppl who don't don't read |
07:44:19 | tiegs | well, i have compression options, then that does appear to use the lame dll, but then what? |
07:44:34 | Coldtoast | it's like at work. We have NO SMOKING signs all over the place but ppl still light up |
07:44:40 | ghode|afk | there are loads of people who come in here, or post on the forums about bugs in the dailys that have already been fixed in the bleeding edges |
07:44:49 | ghode|afk | you dont give people enough credit |
07:44:51 | Cassandra | tiegs: have you changed the wave format: See the waveform tab. |
07:45:12 | tiegs | yes, there is no option from the pulldown..just WAV only |
07:45:17 | Coldtoast | yes I do. I give ppl all the credit in the world. But you can't deny facts |
07:45:36 | ghode|afk | well until its been tried you'll never know |
07:45:38 | Coldtoast | anyway |
07:45:50 | tiegs | wave format = mpeg lame layer 3 |
07:46:09 | Cassandra | That's the one you want. |
07:46:44 | tiegs | so just say ok to that?> |
07:46:51 | Cassandra | Oh, and tell it not to write wav headers and to use a .mp3 extension. |
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07:47:02 | tiegs | ok |
07:47:16 | Cassandra | You probably want to pick a sample format too. |
07:47:25 | Coldtoast | tiegs: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=101833 |
07:47:42 | Coldtoast | there's a guide |
07:47:54 | tiegs | thnx |
07:48:39 | Coldtoast | yw |
07:48:46 | tiegs | "cant open selected codec"/oh hell |
07:48:55 | tiegs | im so burned out |
07:49:09 | Coldtoast | you should have a bit of a break to clear your head |
07:49:22 | Coldtoast | don't needlessly frustrate yourself |
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07:50:18 | tiegs | i know cold..just eager o get this thing going |
07:50:31 | tiegs | how do YOU playback albums w/out gaps? |
07:50:46 | ze | i have a rio karma |
07:50:50 | Coldtoast | personally, I don't |
07:50:55 | ze | it plays gapless no matter what hehe |
07:50:57 | tiegs | i wont ask for isntructions now but will come back and want to do it one way and the best way |
07:51:10 | Coldtoast | but you could use OGG |
07:51:11 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
07:51:28 | ze | yeah i'd recomend ogg/vorbis in general |
07:51:31 | tiegs | that seems to work best, so i want to get OGG from a disc..where can i do that? |
07:51:41 | tiegs | i foundsome program but it sucked |
07:51:51 | Coldtoast | OGG will eat your battery faster tho. prolly the only downside |
07:53:00 | tiegs | so any suggestions for getting commercial disc into OGG ? |
07:53:30 | tiegs | no versions of mp3s play w/out gaps..even slight ones are still there |
07:53:38 | tiegs | or pops between track changes |
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07:56:27 | Coldtoast | Cassandra: just looking around inteh debug menu here |
07:56:43 | Cassandra | Hmm? |
07:56:48 | Coldtoast | in Battery Info, it's reporting 4.14 |
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07:57:09 | Cassandra | 4.2 is fully charged, I believe. |
07:57:48 | Coldtoast | I charged my player last night while at work and have had it on maybe 5 mins since |
07:57:54 | Cassandra | Where'd you get the battery from, btw? |
07:57:57 | Coldtoast | it can't have discharged 10hrs overnight |
07:58:02 | Coldtoast | ebay |
07:58:17 | Coldtoast | I'll charge it again anyway |
07:58:32 | Cassandra | ct: Well, charge time is based on voltage. That's the voltage being reported. |
07:58:32 | Coldtoast | I SUPPOSE there's teh possiblity I left it on overnight or something |
07:58:59 | tiegs | well, thanks cold and cassandra - |
07:59:09 | Coldtoast | need somebody with a 2200mAH to see if thre's is wrong as well |
07:59:19 | tiegs | i am fed up for the day, possible to get some help w this over the weekend? |
07:59:36 | Cassandra | Battery time reporting is kind of hard anyway. |
07:59:39 | tiegs | i want to play a damn beatles album w/out gaps..shouldnt be that hard..cant get it done |
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08:00:06 | Cassandra | I sometimes think Rockbox tries too hard. And we should just have a 4 stage indicator like iRivrer. |
08:00:28 | Coldtoast | you don't have a build from 24hrs ago by any chance? |
08:01:14 | Coldtoast | maybe it's just the first charge tho |
08:01:25 | Coldtoast | it's only been charged once so far |
08:02:12 | Cassandra | I don't, but there should be one on the website. |
08:02:48 | ghode|afk | tiegs: use foobar ... |
08:03:48 | Coldtoast | there's no dl link for a daily build on teh website at the moment |
08:04:07 | tiegs | ghode-what where is trhat? |
08:04:34 | tiegs | is this stuff junk... |
08:04:39 | tiegs | http://www.mymusictools.com/download/ogg-rip/ |
08:05:20 | Cassandra | There's an "earlier" link, isn't there? |
08:05:28 | Coldtoast | there's OLDER, yeah |
08:05:40 | Coldtoast | but no dl link |
08:05:43 | ghode|afk | http://www.foobar2000.org/download.html |
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08:06:04 | Coldtoast | oops |
08:06:05 | Coldtoast | sorry |
08:06:08 | Coldtoast | ignore me. heh |
08:06:38 | Cassandra | Why would you want to replace your iPod headphones with a pair costing 2 pounds off eBay? |
08:06:54 | Cassandra | Masochism is the only reason I can think of. |
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08:08:12 | Coldtoast | Cassandra |
08:08:21 | Coldtoast | just went back to yesterday's daily |
08:08:29 | Coldtoast | and it's reporting 27hrs 30mins again |
08:08:33 | Coldtoast | so something's changed |
08:09:25 | Coldtoast | http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h120/rockbox-h120-20050708.zip reports 27hrs 30mins |
08:09:36 | Coldtoast | latest bleeding edge reports 15hrs 10mins |
08:11:57 | Cassandra | Speak to Linus. The only thing I can see that's gone into the firmware are his H115 adjustments. |
08:12:05 | Coldtoast | ok |
08:15:01 | * | Cassandra can't find any iRiver battery auctions. |
08:15:12 | Coldtoast | heh |
08:15:15 | Coldtoast | don't bother looking |
08:15:20 | Coldtoast | search for 2200mah |
08:15:30 | Coldtoast | ipod 1st/2nd gen battery |
08:15:36 | Coldtoast | run you, like, $20US |
08:15:58 | Coldtoast | you just need to change the polarity of the connector |
08:18:17 | Cassandra | Hmmm. Soldering required? |
08:18:21 | Coldtoast | nope |
08:18:30 | Coldtoast | a pin is required :) |
08:19:21 | Coldtoast | on the connector, you just need to get a pin and lift the plastic a teeny bit and pull the wires out then swap them |
08:19:55 | Coldtoast | like, on the top of the plastic connector, there's a bit of plastic that holds the metal connector crimped onto the end of each wire |
08:20:15 | Cassandra | And how'd you get the iRiver open? |
08:20:21 | Coldtoast | yo ulift that bit of plastic a bit enough so you can pull each wire out and then just swap them over |
08:20:30 | Coldtoast | get yourself a T5 Torx screwdriver |
08:21:00 | Coldtoast | ep0ch used a very small flathead screwdriver but I can tell you now it's a lot better to get the right torx screwdriver |
08:21:22 | Coldtoast | I went and bought a mobile phone screwdriver kit which has a vew different sizes of torx driver |
08:23:37 | Coldtoast | the 2200mah is slightly thicker than the stock battery but it fits ok |
08:23:43 | Coldtoast | you have a h140 or h120? |
08:24:00 | Coldtoast | they fit in the h120 as well but somewhat snug from what I understand |
08:26:07 | Cassandra | 140 |
08:26:39 | Cassandra | The cheapest way to buy small torx bits is to buy a screwdriver and throw the handle away. |
08:27:38 | Coldtoast | heh. ok |
08:28:36 | Cassandra | Think I'll wait a bit before I do though. Seem to be spending a lot of money at the moment. |
08:28:53 | Coldtoast | it's REALLY easy to do the battery upgrade tho. Takes about 20mins or so |
08:29:06 | Cassandra | Where'd you find out about it? |
08:29:21 | Coldtoast | ppl were doing it on misticriver with Ionity batteries |
08:29:29 | Coldtoast | which are kind of expensive |
08:29:56 | Coldtoast | did a bit more of a search and some guy had tried ipod 1st and 2nd gen batteiries |
08:30:12 | Coldtoast | and they cost about $22 os opposed to, like, $60 |
08:30:18 | Coldtoast | er... $20\ |
08:30:29 | Coldtoast | same connector, 3.7V, everything |
08:30:37 | Cassandra | Capacity? |
08:30:41 | Coldtoast | just need to flip the poliarity |
08:30:44 | Coldtoast | 2200mAH |
08:30:51 | Coldtoast | Ionity is 1900-2000mAH |
08:31:25 | Cassandra | Sounds like a neat hack. You should document it and put it on the Wiki somewhere. |
08:31:26 | Coldtoast | with the Ionity batteries, you're paying extra for... err... |
08:31:28 | Coldtoast | umm........ |
08:31:45 | Coldtoast | yeah. maybe. cos there are a few little tips to doing it |
08:32:04 | Coldtoast | markun, ep0ch and I all have the same battery it seems |
08:32:25 | Coldtoast | got mine from EZIPDA on ebay |
08:32:40 | Cassandra | It does sound like a pretty sweet upgrade for the price. |
08:32:52 | Cassandra | Voids your warranty, I take it? |
08:33:04 | Coldtoast | yeah. I was about to order an Ionity when I found out about the ipod batteries |
08:33:14 | Coldtoast | well, interesting you should mention that |
08:33:36 | Coldtoast | cos there are absolutely no signs anything's been done on mine |
08:33:58 | Coldtoast | maybe there are very tiny marks from the flathead screwdriver I originally tried. dunno |
08:34:08 | Cassandra | *nods* It's not like the Archos where they put something on the nuts to prevent you opening them. |
08:34:13 | Coldtoast | with the right sized torx tho, I don't see how they'd possibly be able to tell |
08:34:30 | Coldtoast | yeah. they normally have a sticker over one of the screws |
08:34:36 | Coldtoast | not iriver tho |
08:35:05 | Coldtoast | so it's pretty much a "No reason in the world not to" kind of thing |
08:36:02 | Coldtoast | the h140 goes back together REALLY easily too. no fiddlign around trying to line stuff up or anything |
08:37:24 | Coldtoast | I was interested in doing it and almost spent the $100AUD or so it would have cost me to buy the Ionity but when I found out about the ipod batteries and how damn cheap they are, I ordered one right away |
08:37:32 | Coldtoast | btw, my battery has a 1 year warranty |
08:38:00 | Coldtoast | so that's cool. ep0ch or markun, can't remember which, said theirs was only 3 months |
08:38:16 | Coldtoast | so I reckon you should buy from ezipda :) |
08:38:16 | Cassandra | *nods* |
08:39:11 | Coldtoast | tho I removed this big sticker that was on mine. the one saying you should charge for at least 3.5hrs before use and warning you not to bend, pucture, etc the battery |
08:39:28 | Coldtoast | so maybe that's voided my battery warranty |
08:39:45 | Coldtoast | doubt it tho.. If so, I'll definitely buy anoteh rone |
08:40:37 | Cassandra | I take it the "screwdriver" that comes with the ezpda one is the wrong size for iRiver. |
08:40:45 | Coldtoast | heh. yeah |
08:43:04 | Cassandra | Hmmm. What the f*** ... |
08:43:13 | Coldtoast | ? |
08:43:29 | Cassandra | As in, I think I will. |
08:43:34 | Coldtoast | aah |
08:43:37 | Coldtoast | cool |
08:43:39 | Cassandra | What's the original capacity btw. |
08:43:45 | Coldtoast | 1300mah |
08:44:22 | Cassandra | Nice. :) |
08:44:27 | Coldtoast | couple of things I found when doing mine |
08:45:03 | Coldtoast | before replacing the mobo intot he front part of the cover withthe LCD window, make sure there's no dirt or fluff or anything |
08:45:11 | Coldtoast | and make sure the LCD is clean |
08:45:26 | Coldtoast | got mine together, turned it over and there was fluff :) |
08:45:34 | Cassandra | Annoying. :( |
08:45:39 | Coldtoast | had to disassemble it and clean it again |
08:46:05 | Coldtoast | now it's fine tho |
08:46:52 | Coldtoast | and when putting the back cover back on, don't sit the battery on the HDD and try and fit the back cover over it |
08:47:48 | Coldtoast | it's easier to get the back cover close to the rest of it and fit the battery into the back cover where it fits and then assemble it |
08:47:58 | Cassandra | *nods* Cool. |
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08:48:22 | Cassandra | *grins* Total investment: £15.50. |
08:48:28 | Coldtoast | it's very neat in the h140, btw :) |
08:48:35 | Coldtoast | yeah. amazing huh? |
08:48:56 | * | Coldtoast high fives Apple |
08:50:02 | Cassandra | Now it'll definitely last the two 5 hour journeys I make when going to Cambridge. :) |
08:50:10 | Coldtoast | hehe |
08:50:39 | Coldtoast | I left mine charging while I was at work so it got about 7hrs of charge time first |
08:51:37 | Coldtoast | heh. it's sort of a satisfying feeling after you get it done |
08:51:52 | Cassandra | I leave mine on power overnight usually. |
08:51:56 | Coldtoast | I should only need to charge mine once a week now |
08:52:08 | Cassandra | How come you're up at this ridiculous hour of the morning anyway? |
08:52:09 | Coldtoast | cos it gets used about 3hrs a day |
08:52:17 | Coldtoast | it's 16:52 here :) |
08:52:35 | Coldtoast | on Saturday |
08:55:08 | Cassandra | Ah. I thought you were in the UK, for some reason. |
08:55:39 | Slasheri | 09:55 here :) |
08:55:59 | Cassandra | I hate you all. |
08:56:25 | Coldtoast | nah. Australia |
08:56:37 | Coldtoast | oh, btw |
08:56:53 | Coldtoast | as far as weight goes, my h140 doesn't feel any heavier |
08:57:29 | Coldtoast | what's the latest with the bomings in London Cassandra? |
08:57:35 | Coldtoast | bombings |
08:57:47 | Coldtoast | have they worked out who it migh tbe? |
08:59:43 | Cassandra | Nothing I've heard. Everyone seems pretty certain it was Islamic fundamentalists, but that's about it. |
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09:00:00 | Coldtoast | what a pathetic effort tho |
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09:00:26 | Coldtoast | what's the death toll up to? still ~50? |
09:01:03 | Cassandra | Well, yeah. But I'm a bit worrying about everyone taking the piss. People still died, and who's to say they won't step it up next time because this one wasn't too effective. |
09:01:53 | Coldtoast | mind you. taking the piss mightn't be that bad, you know? |
09:02:03 | Cassandra | news.bbc.co.uk is your friend. ;) |
09:02:46 | Cassandra | Well yeah. I understand the sentiment, but these these inadequate wankers might get pushed into doing worse. |
09:03:01 | Coldtoast | 7 explosions and only 52 ppl? why would you bother. only reason I can think of is to try and strike fear into the population. If ppl "take the piss" intead and not go nuts, they fail |
09:03:27 | Cassandra | But it's all same old same old for us. The IRA have been doing it for years (albeit not recently) |
09:03:34 | Coldtoast | but yeah. just can't ignore it, obviously |
09:03:42 | Coldtoast | yep |
09:04:08 | Coldtoast | this incident is no more extreme that some of the stuff you guys have had happen |
09:04:40 | Cassandra | *nods* The WTC rattled us a lot more than this did. |
09:05:34 | Coldtoast | yeah. Amazing that was, what, 4 years ago or something? |
09:05:49 | Coldtoast | I remember when it happened. freaky! |
09:06:21 | Coldtoast | I can't even get over the fact the gulf war was over 10 years ago |
09:06:32 | Cassandra | *nods* Yeah. Bad day. Lots of my friends were on IRC vehemently wishing the world would go away. |
09:06:34 | Coldtoast | funny thing, time |
09:06:52 | Cassandra | Yeah. It is. |
09:07:45 | Cassandra | Falklands War is something like 20 years now. |
09:07:54 | Coldtoast | wow |
09:08:07 | Cassandra | We like to have a good war as a run up to an election round here. |
09:08:16 | Coldtoast | heh. Young Ones was made almost 25 years ago |
09:08:27 | Coldtoast | Blackadder is 20years old |
09:08:47 | Cassandra | Terrifying, isn't it? |
09:08:56 | Coldtoast | yeh |
09:09:09 | Cassandra | I watched a TV series set in the 80s called the "Beiderbeck Affair" recently. |
09:09:16 | Coldtoast | hey. do Hale & Pace still work together? |
09:09:28 | Cassandra | It just reminded me how totally different the planet was before mobile phones and the net. |
09:09:38 | Cassandra | No idea. Haven't heard of them in ages. |
09:09:39 | Coldtoast | oh yeah. absolutely |
09:10:01 | Cassandra | I still want to know where my sodding flying car is though. |
09:10:13 | Cassandra | We were promised flying cars in the year 2000, dammit! |
09:10:26 | Coldtoast | heh |
09:11:32 | Cassandra | As in they were supposed to be here by 2000. |
09:11:55 | Coldtoast | bugger that. I want my flying skateboard :) |
09:12:24 | Coldtoast | actually, no I don't. a 118Kg guy on a skateboard looks wrong |
09:13:06 | Cassandra | Wow, if I tap on my desk, the cold cathodes on my Linux box turn on. |
09:13:48 | Cassandra | (I was surprised to find that the rather nice seethrough case I bought for it came with cold cathodes and light shows galore, but it is pretty. |
09:13:49 | Coldtoast | heh |
09:14:09 | Coldtoast | I used to have a side window |
09:14:18 | Cassandra | I think they're sound or vibration activated. |
09:14:38 | Coldtoast | \kinda went off all that sort fo stuff tho and now I just have this brushed aluminium Coolermaster case |
09:15:27 | Cassandra | Well I wouldn't have bothered with all the eye candy myself, but I rather like perspex cases, and it was cheap in a liquidation sale, and the old case didn't fit properly anyway. |
09:17:39 | Cassandra | It lives on the floor anyway, so the eye candy is even more pointless than usual. |
09:17:59 | Coldtoast | heh |
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09:18:28 | Cassandra | Well, you can't really see it. properly. |
09:20:57 | Cassandra | Right. Anyway, I have a wedding to get ready for. (Not mine, fortunately.) |
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09:21:27 | Lurkski | anyone home? |
09:22:24 | Lurkski | so who here is using linux and what is the distro of choice/ |
09:22:25 | Lurkski | ? |
09:23:10 | Slasheri | Debian on every machine :) |
09:23:26 | Lurkski | debian eh? So why debian |
09:23:30 | * | ashridah gives Slasheri the cookie of taste |
09:23:36 | Slasheri | :) |
09:23:37 | Lurkski | haha |
09:23:46 | Slasheri | Lurkski: it's very easy to maintain and upgrade |
09:24:15 | Slasheri | no dependency hell as with rpm you get |
09:24:32 | ashridah | it's probably a little more arcane than it should be tho. ubuntu makes a good choice for someone starting out with linux, yet wanting some of debian's nicer tools and a more complete default install |
09:24:47 | Lurkski | I just finished my first book on programming in C and everyone has been pointing me toward GCC. but I figured why cygwin when i need to be getting into linux anyways |
09:25:10 | Lurkski | so you think debian would soot me for this purpose |
09:25:12 | Lurkski | ? |
09:25:14 | ashridah | Lurkski: ah, well, getting started, i generally recommend you play with a few different distros |
09:25:31 | Coldtoast | I don't mind Mandriva |
09:25:45 | ashridah | i'd grab ubuntu, fedora core 4 and maybe mandriva/mandrake/whateverthehellitscallednow and play with them a bit before deciding |
09:26:04 | ashridah | the linux distro debate is a polar argument with 53 axes |
09:26:09 | Lurkski | so let me get this straight |
09:26:11 | Lurkski | hahaha |
09:26:24 | Lurkski | they all are based of the same core/ kernel |
09:26:27 | Lurkski | right? |
09:26:29 | ashridah | no |
09:26:33 | Lurkski | no? |
09:26:47 | Lurkski | please escuse my ingnorance |
09:27:03 | ashridah | fedora core and mandriva are RPM based distros, fedora's an offshoot of redhat, whereas mandrake/mandriva sprung off as a separate distro from redhat much longer ago. |
09:27:19 | ashridah | ubuntu is a debian-based distro, but with more focus on having a complete desktop from the start |
09:27:25 | ashridah | without overwhelming people with choices |
09:27:35 | Lurkski | ahhhhhh i like that |
09:27:54 | Lurkski | one thing i have noticed as i've been looking is an overwhelming amount of choices |
09:28:24 | Lurkski | everyone says that linux is way better than windows for developers...why is this |
09:28:25 | Lurkski | ? |
09:28:38 | Coldtoast | that depends tho |
09:28:45 | Lurkski | again excuse my ignorance |
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09:29:11 | Coldtoast | if you're developing specific Windows apps for example |
09:29:29 | Lurkski | can you develop for windows from linux |
09:29:41 | Lurkski | I figure just ajusting compler settings or something |
09:29:45 | Lurkski | compiler |
09:30:00 | Lurkski | as i continue to show my ignorance |
09:31:19 | Lurkski | the reason I ask all this is because I just got a new laptop and I figured that I could slap a linux distro on it to ease the transition while keeping my desktop with winXP till i'm comfortable |
09:34:25 | Lurkski | one more question...........they are all different distros but they are all linux. Is the GUI aroung the main OS code all that is different about them? They can all run the same programs right? |
09:35:41 | Slasheri | linux really has all of the tools you will need to do programming with almost any language to almost any target. And the powerful scriptable command line (shell) is a far far better what windows has |
09:36:09 | Lurkski | thanks for the info slasheri |
09:36:17 | Lurkski | that makes me more confident in the move |
09:37:20 | Lurkski | can all the distros run the same programs? Well that are coded for linux of coarse? |
09:37:20 | Coldtoast | hey Slasheri |
09:37:32 | Slasheri | hi Coldtoast :) |
09:37:42 | Coldtoast | what time does Linus usually appear? |
09:38:16 | Slasheri | Lurkski: basically yes, but the same binary might not work on all linux distros because they have different versions of dynamic libraries installed |
09:38:19 | Coldtoast | enjoying the weekend so far? heh. I have to work |
09:38:50 | Lurkski | ah I see.... it all starting to make a bit more sense |
09:38:52 | Coldtoast | mind you... tonight I'm working at Jelly Wrestling. apparently 14 girls |
09:38:52 | Slasheri | but you can do for example an installer that automatically compiles your code on the machine you are installing it into |
09:39:12 | Lurkski | i see |
09:39:34 | Slasheri | or just make deb/rpm etc. packaging formats if you intend to release your software for multiple linux distros (alien can convert different package formats to other) |
09:40:15 | Lurkski | I see.....thanks slasheri for leading the blind. |
09:40:20 | Slasheri | :) |
09:40:49 | Slasheri | but very basic programs that do not have much library dependencies should work the same way on all decent distros |
09:41:12 | Lurkski | ok ok |
09:41:35 | Slasheri | Lurkski: however, the common idea is that you provide the sources, not a binary. That way there is no problems with the dynamic link issue :) |
09:42:10 | Lurkski | so that be can be sure to compile for their distro or change what is necessary ect.... |
09:42:14 | Lurkski | ? |
09:44:01 | Slasheri | generally yes |
09:44:23 | Coldtoast | you don't have a 2200mah attery in your h140 do you Slasheri? |
09:44:32 | Coldtoast | battery |
09:44:53 | Slasheri | Coldtoast: nope, but i just got an ionity battery. I will install it on monday and then i will take some power measurements also |
09:44:55 | crwl | good morning |
09:45:03 | Slasheri | morning crwl :) |
09:45:04 | Lurkski | thanks so much slasheri take care my friend |
09:45:06 | Coldtoast | ok |
09:45:08 | | Part Lurkski |
09:45:11 | crwl | i just got an 2200 mAh battery from ebay, i suppose i'll install it today :) |
09:45:23 | Coldtoast | Slasheri: was telling Cassandra before. the battery info changed in teh last day it seems |
09:45:47 | Slasheri | Coldtoast: Hmm, i haven't noticed any change with that info |
09:45:56 | Coldtoast | updated and rockbox reports 15hrs 10mins whereas a day ago it was 27hrs 30mins |
09:46:05 | Slasheri | eh.. |
09:46:08 | Slasheri | that's interesting |
09:46:21 | Coldtoast | just to be sure, I went back to the daily from yesterday and sure enough, 27hrs 30mins again |
09:46:31 | Slasheri | Hmm |
09:46:53 | Coldtoast | and I made sure it was set to 2200mah still |
09:47:34 | Slasheri | i hope i could make the battery estimate a little better after i get the measurements |
09:47:53 | Coldtoast | cool. why'd you go with Ionity, btw? |
09:48:28 | Coldtoast | I was going to. was all ready to order but then found out about the 2200mah ipod batteries |
09:48:31 | Slasheri | i just wanted to be sure it works :) and it has the protection circuit module for sure |
09:48:40 | Coldtoast | ok |
09:48:53 | Coldtoast | I can confirm these ipod ones have the circuit, btw |
09:49:02 | Coldtoast | if anybody's wondering |
09:49:04 | Slasheri | and i heard the ipod batteries might be hard to put inside the case |
09:49:15 | Slasheri | ah, that's good |
09:49:18 | Coldtoast | for the h120 I hear they are |
09:49:27 | crwl | i won't be very pleased if the ipod battery explodes in the player :P |
09:49:51 | Coldtoast | the h140 isn't bad tho but you should fit the battery into the back cover then assemble, not try and fit the cover over the battery with it sitting on teh HDD |
09:49:54 | crwl | those expolding nokia cell phone batteries gained some media coverage last year |
09:50:10 | crwl | or was it earlier, anyway |
09:50:30 | Coldtoast | don't forget to change the polarity of the connector on that battery crwl |
09:50:44 | crwl | Coldtoast, i try to remember ;) |
09:50:48 | Coldtoast | heh |
09:50:57 | amiconn | Coldtoast: I know what broke the battery estimation |
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09:51:15 | Coldtoast | oh? |
09:51:20 | amiconn | It was Bagder's renaming of the h100 build to h120 |
09:51:20 | crwl | i've never opened my h120 before, but my friend has opened his, so i'll let him do the dirty work :P |
09:51:33 | Coldtoast | really? |
09:51:37 | amiconn | powermgmt.h explicitly checks for h100, which it no longer is... |
09:51:45 | Coldtoast | aaah! |
09:51:45 | amiconn | Dead simple to fix |
09:51:59 | Coldtoast | that's what's compiling now? |
09:52:16 | amiconn | If so then it wasn't me |
09:52:23 | Coldtoast | ok |
09:54:10 | amiconn | Coldtoast: I noticed because I get an 8 hour-something estimation now :/ (stock 1300 mh battery) |
09:55:07 | Coldtoast | I was getting 15hrs 10mins and left it playing for a while and it was still 15hrs 10mins. So it didn't seem like an issue with the battery |
09:55:25 | Coldtoast | hardware wise |
09:57:17 | amiconn | Now somebody else was faster than me |
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10:01:55 | Slasheri | currently that estimate is accurate only with 128k cbr mp3 files |
10:02:31 | Slasheri | Hmm, maybe it could be better to display only how many hours we have left.. |
10:05:38 | * | Cassandra returns, clean and polished. |
10:06:47 | Cassandra | Why this sudden upsurge in battery replacements, anyway? |
10:06:50 | crwl | i realized that i need to get my charger back too if i want to install a new battery |
10:07:59 | crwl | not good to do the initial charge with four AA batteries that probably run out of power before fully charging a 2200 mAh battery |
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10:21:21 | Coldtoast | Cassandra: I think maybe ppl discovering it's so cheap to do |
10:24:58 | crwl | yes, that's the reason for me at least |
10:24:58 | Cassandra | Right. |
10:25:07 | Cassandra | Worked for me. :) |
10:25:12 | Coldtoast | heh |
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10:26:54 | Cassandra | Morning Linus. |
10:26:57 | LinusN | hi |
10:27:34 | LinusN | i'm about to release version 3 of the boot loader |
10:28:03 | Coldtoast | neat |
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10:28:43 | ashridah | LinusN: new features? |
10:33:17 | Coldtoast | aah Cassandra |
10:33:28 | Coldtoast | found out why my rockbox dl seemed to be corrupt |
10:34:18 | LinusN | ashridah: removed the start-original-with-remote feature and added H110 support |
10:34:27 | Coldtoast | I use cURL to check http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h100/rockbox.zip but it's changed to http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h120/rockbox.zip |
10:34:29 | Cassandra | What was up with it? |
10:34:43 | Cassandra | That'd do it. :) |
10:34:47 | Coldtoast | yeah :) |
10:35:02 | Cassandra | So is RB booting on your 110, Linus? |
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10:35:31 | ashridah | ah |
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10:38:13 | LinusN | Cassandra: yup, catching the digital flow |
10:41:34 | Cassandra | Do all the developers use that as a test track, do you think? |
10:41:55 | amiconn | I don't |
10:47:56 | LinusN | it's just such a cheesy slogan |
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11:01:27 | amiconn | LinusN: Where did you take the implementation of standrad functions like memcpy() from, or did you implement them? |
11:01:34 | amiconn | *standard |
11:02:16 | LinusN | from newlib |
11:02:22 | amiconn | Ah |
11:02:35 | * | amiconn wants memmove() |
11:02:48 | amiconn | That'd make things like scolling way easier |
11:02:59 | amiconn | *scrolling even |
11:03:03 | LinusN | go ahead |
11:03:16 | amiconn | I could actually replace memcpy with memmove |
11:03:34 | amiconn | and #define memcpy memmove |
11:04:05 | amiconn | Of course the asm implementation needs some work then |
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11:08:07 | Chamois | bootloader 3 fixes that : Known bugs |
11:08:07 | Chamois | * The SDRAM refresh rate is too slow, outside the SDRAM specification. Will be fixed in the next release. |
11:08:11 | Chamois | ? |
11:08:21 | muesli- | re |
11:13:37 | floam | anyone ever attempted hacking the iaudio M3? |
11:14:37 | amiconn | lame... |
11:15:04 | amiconn | The newlib memmove implementation only optimises the forward copying case |
11:15:15 | muesli- | does somebody know what "result -5" means when rbx is starting |
11:16:08 | Chamois | if(sum != chksum) |
11:16:10 | Chamois | return -5; |
11:16:20 | muesli- | = ? |
11:16:31 | Chamois | reinstall a new daily build |
11:16:37 | muesli- | didnt help |
11:16:56 | Chamois | did you erase .rockbox and rockox.iriver before ? |
11:17:25 | muesli- | no, but copied some files into .rockbox |
11:17:36 | Chamois | erase all |
11:17:37 | muesli- | this is last thing i remember |
11:19:07 | Chamois | muesli : does it work now ? |
11:20:25 | muesli- | i am running scandisk at the moment, cant check it |
11:20:38 | LinusN | from the daily build download page: "Starting July 8th 2005, the builds for iriver H120 and H140 are named h120." |
11:21:49 | muesli- | http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h120 |
11:22:03 | muesli- | this is the new source for daily-builds? |
11:23:09 | LinusN | for h120 and h140 yes |
11:23:16 | muesli- | cheers :D |
11:24:22 | LinusN | now i need help with updating fwpatcher |
11:24:47 | LinusN | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439120&aid=1234863&group_id=44306 |
11:25:03 | muesli- | wish i could... |
11:25:43 | LinusN | Chamois: i updated the wiki regarding the known bugs |
11:26:20 | Chamois | oki |
11:27:08 | LinusN | i gotta go, i hope someone can update fwpatcher soon |
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11:37:31 | Chamois | linus |
11:37:32 | Chamois | ? |
11:37:38 | Chamois | you're wrong in the wiki |
11:37:47 | Chamois | bad md5sum for the new bootloader |
11:42:13 | HCl | ? |
11:42:18 | HCl | did you compile it yourself or? |
11:44:05 | Chamois | no |
11:44:12 | Chamois | with the bootloader in the wiki |
11:44:20 | HCl | hm |
11:44:25 | * | HCl goes to check |
11:44:33 | Chamois | they are the same than the bootloader v2 |
11:44:50 | Chamois | :p |
11:45:10 | HCl | yea o.o; |
11:45:44 | Chamois | for the 1.65Eu i have that : e41a9c06b7233d62bee044a8942e6b57 |
11:45:54 | Chamois | but prefer waiting for LinusN |
11:46:02 | HCl | *nods* |
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11:50:17 | * | HCl yawns |
11:50:39 | * | webguest97 waits for tha new bootloader |
11:50:46 | webguest97 | fwpatcher* |
11:50:46 | HCl | its already on the wiki. |
11:50:48 | HCl | ah. |
11:50:51 | webguest97 | :) |
11:50:54 | HCl | thats a different thing. |
11:51:09 | HCl | we don't have proper md5hashes at the moment anywho |
11:51:11 | amiconn | I'm currently looking at fwpatcher |
11:51:14 | HCl | md5sums, i mean |
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11:52:16 | webguest97 | yeah... what's particularly strange is that the feature i desire the most is turning rockbox on with the remote;p |
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11:53:00 | HCl | heh |
11:53:03 | HCl | well |
11:53:30 | HCl | i can make you an .hex with the v3 bootloader, but without proper md5sums there's no guarantee it won't brick your player |
11:54:43 | webguest97 | yea, i guess i'll wait for fwpatcher |
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11:57:22 | amiconn | Hmm. The direct download links for the various iriver firmwares don't seem to work :/ |
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11:57:46 | amiconn | (except h120 165K and 1.65K) |
11:57:54 | webguest89 | morning |
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12:00:06 | HCl | who's against me checking the java generator into cvs? |
12:00:10 | webguest89 | hi i was just reading through your irc logs and some people mentioned changing iriver battery with 1st/2nd gen ipod one. isnt this the same battery that people have a problem with in that it supposedly fails after like 18 months or something? or is that more a problem with the ipod than the battery? |
12:00:27 | HCl | no idea webguest89 |
12:00:38 | HCl | i've had it for about a month know, i think |
12:00:54 | HCl | i don't know which failing battery you're talking abot |
12:00:56 | HCl | about |
12:01:39 | crwl | i don't think the one they sell at ebay is at all related to the original ipod battery |
12:02:02 | webguest89 | oh just some of the reviews of ipod and other sites mention it. before the 4th gen or was it the ipod photo the battery i think was somehow glued on or something so you could only send it back to apple for a costly replacement |
12:02:35 | HCl | yea, these aren't original ipod batteries |
12:03:11 | webguest89 | maybe the 1st/2nd gen ipod didnt have battery glued on so you could change it dunno. thats why i ask someone here |
12:03:19 | HCl | how much mh is the original battery anywho? |
12:03:29 | webguest89 | are they much higher capacity than 1st/2nd gen original battery? |
12:03:32 | HCl | yes. |
12:03:35 | HCl | 2200mah |
12:03:46 | webguest89 | hmm ill try look it up |
12:05:20 | webguest89 | gah all i got so far is some replacement batterys specs for the 2nd gen |
12:05:24 | webguest89 | 550 mah |
12:06:24 | HCl | heh |
12:06:42 | HCl | original Apple battery was |
12:06:43 | HCl | rated at 1320mAh |
12:07:05 | webguest89 | haha so that site with the 550 mah is really ripping people off |
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12:07:33 | HCl | i dunno how accurate this site is anywho |
12:07:37 | HCl | it was my first hit with google |
12:07:58 | HCl | their price is crap, at least O.o. |
12:08:08 | HCl | lol, i don't trust this site at all o.o; |
12:08:14 | HCl | http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.307/it.A/id.1687/.f |
12:08:15 | HCl | check that |
12:08:32 | HCl | the photo of the battery clearly shows it saying 1800mAh, not the 2100mAh they're trying to sell it for |
12:09:05 | webguest89 | ah this site says 1200 mah for 1st gen |
12:09:15 | webguest89 | http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/consumer_electronics/stats/ipod.html |
12:09:45 | HCl | anywho, something like 1200mah :) |
12:10:09 | HCl | who'd want an ipod anywho |
12:10:11 | HCl | it has no radio |
12:11:32 | webguest89 | well if radio is not important to someone and they want a player with database and getting tied into itunes or whatever maybe its the right choise |
12:11:40 | webguest89 | choice* |
12:12:20 | webguest89 | i dont listen to radio much on my iriver as there isnt much music i like thats on |
12:12:23 | HCl | meh |
12:12:29 | HCl | i still wouldn't want an ipod |
12:12:37 | webguest89 | me neither |
12:12:52 | HCl | i briefly considered the rio karma |
12:12:59 | HCl | but it didn't even have an portable harddisk mode |
12:13:16 | HCl | i often forget that though iriver and archos support that really nicely, there are still lots of players that dont |
12:14:36 | webguest89 | only things it has going i think for it are size/possibly good everything-automated-for-a-newbie bad get-tied-into-itunes software/scrollwheel |
12:15:02 | webguest89 | its like the macdonalds of mp3 players |
12:15:47 | webguest89 | rio karma seems a good deal. better than ipod anyway |
12:15:56 | webguest89 | price is REALLY cheap on amazon.co,uk |
12:16:28 | webguest89 | £129.99 |
12:16:31 | webguest89 | 20 gig |
12:16:54 | webguest89 | and apparently they fixed their old hd problems so it is reliable now |
12:18:40 | webguest89 | 5-Band Parametric Equalizer with pre-sets |
12:18:42 | webguest89 | lovely |
12:18:53 | amiconn | Mrf, I don't get it. Why the ** does iriver offer a H100 1.63 US and a H110 1.63 US firmware upgrade, both containing a ihp_100.hex file, but with slightly different size? |
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12:22:50 | webguest89 | hey guys i know you say if someone is worried about any problems they might get after installing the bootloader and the latest build that they should leave it until rockbox is finished but just how stable is it right now? |
12:23:40 | webguest97 | webguest89: as for me it's more than usable |
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12:26:51 | webguest89 | so have you had any crashes? or only some bugs or glitches related to playback of music or certain functions being incomplete that can be ignored for now? |
12:26:56 | amiconn | re LinusN |
12:27:01 | LinusN | i have updated the md5 sums in the wiki |
12:27:20 | amiconn | LinusN: Where did you find the 1.65 H100 firmwares |
12:27:22 | amiconn | ? |
12:27:50 | webguest89 | webguest97: i mean if no crashes then yes i will certainly take the plunge and put the bootloader on even though i still got 11 months warranty on |
12:27:57 | amiconn | Also, I wonder why there are H100(us)_v163 and H110(us)_v163 available for download |
12:28:39 | webguest97 | webguest89: with the recent builds no crashes at all, and no glitches since the really early music playback days |
12:29:10 | LinusN | amiconn: detective work |
12:29:43 | amiconn | The links in IriverBoot only give me a korean (?) error page |
12:30:08 | amiconn | I'm fiddling with fwpatcher, and need checksums... |
12:30:21 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, the links seem to work only sometimes |
12:30:51 | LinusN | the links worked earlier this morning |
12:31:01 | webguest89 | webguest97: thank you. ill give it a try |
12:31:02 | amiconn | Do you have the checksums of *unpatched* H110 firmwares? |
12:31:08 | LinusN | hang on |
12:31:58 | LinusN | 1.65us: d3725865e0948cd5f604b00db2ec89aa |
12:32:28 | LinusN | 1.65eu 478dc657b97e77d1b4944ef26c3dcb8e |
12:32:44 | LinusN | 1.65k 97ba82fb8099bb23ca0c78fc119f8cce |
12:32:56 | LinusN | i don't have 1.63 |
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12:35:06 | amiconn | LinusN: I found 1.63US, but 2 different files... |
12:35:21 | amiconn | One says H100 the other says H110 |
12:36:04 | LinusN | i think H100 refers to H100 series, i.e the later h120/140 models |
12:36:11 | LinusN | url? |
12:36:24 | amiconn | Both contain a ihp-100.hex |
12:36:31 | LinusN | hmmm |
12:37:48 | LinusN | i can't say i care about 1.63, but it could be interesting to see the differences in those two files |
12:38:19 | amiconn | http://www.iriver.at/download.html?&Input2=&products=43&cats=0&L=0&rpp=50&submit=&list=&order= |
12:38:28 | amiconn | Entries 19 and 20 in the list |
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12:38:44 | amiconn | 19 says EU, but links to a file with (us) in the name |
12:39:08 | amiconn | I *guess* that it is in fact a EU version |
12:39:18 | amiconn | ..because the .hex is a bit smaller |
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12:39:32 | amiconn | This is same as with the h120 EU/K/US versions |
12:39:50 | amiconn | EU is a bit smaller than K/US; I wonder why... |
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12:43:34 | amiconn | mrf. |
12:43:56 | Vicious | hi I can confirm the patched fw for ihp120, us version is "b341f2360a981f7ce21b24c312152cbf *ihp_120.hex" as on the wiki |
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12:45:24 | Vicious | someone with wiki access add that can add that in |
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12:48:21 | HCl | anyone has wiki access... |
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12:59:46 | amiconn | The fwpatcher patch from the sf tracker doesn't work as-is. |
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13:00:05 | amiconn | The inarray() function cannot work |
13:00:09 | ashridah | it needs to be rebuilt with a new bootloader.bin |
13:00:18 | ashridah | arghl, nevermind me |
13:00:20 | * | ashridah shuts up |
13:01:04 | amiconn | ...and the approach isn't that safe either. It can be made more safe by checking the exact source->result pair |
13:01:39 | amiconn | It already detects the original fw by comparing md5, so it knows what exact firmware it is about to patch |
13:02:00 | amiconn | Then it could also check the result against the exact md5 for that source |
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13:02:13 | amiconn | ...not hard to implement... |
13:02:50 | Maxime | greyscale is great :x |
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13:15:59 | LinusN | feels good to have the h100 out the door |
13:18:35 | LinusN | amiconn: are you working on the fwpatcher? |
13:18:52 | amiconn | yup |
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13:21:27 | LinusN | great |
13:22:06 | femina | helo |
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14:21:06 | BoD[] | Heyy :) hello ! quick question (I think I've asked before but .. will rockbox work on a 3xx iriver model? |
14:21:13 | ashridah | eventually |
14:21:16 | ashridah | currently, no |
14:21:44 | BoD[] | oh :( |
14:22:09 | BoD[] | cause correct me if i'm wrong, but they don't sell the 1xx models anymore |
14:23:16 | Febs | BoD[]: Third FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ |
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14:23:43 | ashridah | BoD[]: we're aware. |
14:24:23 | ashridah | BoD[]: and yes, the 1xx range, and probably eventually the 3xx range aren't being produced, no, since iriver have the H10 and whatnot to push instead |
14:24:58 | BoD[] | ok |
14:25:06 | BoD[] | well thank you very much for your answers :) |
14:25:17 | BoD[] | I think i'm gonna buy a h300 today |
14:25:38 | BoD[] | it's a bit expensive, and I don't really need a color screen |
14:25:49 | BoD[] | but oh well |
14:27:51 | HCl | why not buy an h140 off ebay |
14:27:52 | HCl | ? |
14:28:00 | BoD[] | i'm looking at ebay right now |
14:28:07 | HCl | sounds like a better deal to me, optical in, optical out |
14:28:41 | BoD[] | adapters, remotes |
14:28:44 | Febs | I'm not sure that would be any cheaper. I've seen H140s sell on ebaby for $500 USD, while the H340 is selling for $350 USD. |
14:28:44 | BoD[] | hmm |
14:28:53 | Moos | H140 is the best |
14:28:56 | Moos | :) |
14:28:58 | BoD[] | well |
14:29:12 | BoD[] | plus I want an european model because of the usb host thing |
14:29:25 | BoD[] | 1xx have that right ? |
14:29:36 | Febs | Then you definitely need the H3xx because H1xx doesn't support USBOTG. |
14:30:23 | BoD[] | oh I thought it did :( |
14:31:24 | HCl | nope |
14:32:00 | BoD[] | does anyone know if iriver's firmware is "ok" with no rockbox... And by ok I mean at least I can browse files by folders |
14:32:14 | amiconn | Something is wrong with the bootloader v3. It is working, but the start-iriver-fw-with-remote-on feature is still there |
14:32:15 | BoD[] | as opposed to by id3 database thingy |
14:32:26 | amiconn | It's supposed to be gone... |
14:32:33 | * | amiconn summons Linus |
14:32:45 | ashridah | BoD[]: iriver's stock firmware allows you to browse supported music files by directory, yes |
14:32:57 | ashridah | you don't need to use the id3 db iriver provide |
14:34:12 | Febs | Not only do you now need to use the iriver DB, but you probably won't want to, as it typically increases the player's boot time to over a minute. |
14:34:32 | HCl | iriver boot time is horrid either way |
14:34:34 | amiconn | Iriver boot is pathetic even without db... |
14:34:39 | HCl | since they pre scan the entire harddisk |
14:35:06 | BoD[] | oh |
14:35:14 | BoD[] | well :) for db optional |
14:35:18 | BoD[] | and :( for boot time |
14:35:43 | BoD[] | my friend has a 'rio carbon' (4gb) |
14:35:50 | BoD[] | you can only browse by id3 |
14:36:24 | BoD[] | and when you're listening to a song, and you go to the files, it doesn't go to what you're currently listening |
14:37:02 | BoD[] | so for example I listen in shuffle mode, and it goes to a song i like, and i decide to listen to the album... I have to browse from start :( |
14:37:08 | BoD[] | PITA :) |
14:39:30 | Febs | Amiconn and HCl: agree that iriver boot time is horrible. But 15-20 seconds is merely annoying, while over 1 minute is unbearable. |
14:39:51 | BoD[] | anywayyyy so ... Well I'll think about it. Maybe I won't buy a 340 today... |
14:40:11 | BoD[] | thanks and see you guys |
14:40:12 | BoD[] | ! |
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14:43:35 | tucoz | hi |
14:44:36 | tucoz | I changed the status in the device chart for h110 from no to partial for rockbox. Thought it was correct, but now I can't find a build for h110. |
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14:46:33 | amiconn | tucoz: Indeed the link is not yet there |
14:46:46 | amiconn | ...and the 2005-07-09 daily for h120 didn't work either |
14:47:00 | * | amiconn prods Bagder |
14:47:53 | tucoz | k |
14:48:15 | tucoz | hmm, this cgi-client is not showing what i type |
14:48:37 | amiconn | Need a build, or do you build your own versions? |
14:48:44 | tucoz | I opened up a new tab i firefox, and the input line disappeared |
14:48:56 | tucoz | no, i don't need one. I have a h120 |
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14:49:39 | amiconn | There is a bug in the cgi client that shows only a very short input line if the colour chooser to the right isn't open |
14:49:53 | amiconn | Click on the '<<' to the right |
14:50:11 | tucoz | it's back, I closed the other tab, and it's back |
14:50:11 | amiconn | Then the input box will be as wide as fits before the chooser |
14:50:30 | tucoz | ahh, ok. will keep that in mind |
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14:51:55 | tucoz | anyway I just used the firmware patcher to patch to boot v3 . Never used that before. Worked as a charm |
14:52:07 | amiconn | Nice :) |
14:52:22 | amiconn | Of course I tried it myself before posting (with 1.65 EU) |
14:52:45 | amiconn | Do you also still get the behaviour that switching on with the remote starts the original fw? |
14:52:51 | tucoz | of course, would not have thought you didn't. |
14:53:05 | tucoz | hmm, i'll try and find my remote. Never use it |
14:53:25 | amiconn | I also tried to patch all other versions I could get hold of and verified the checksums again by hand |
14:54:33 | tucoz | But the links on irivers offical site are not working |
14:54:41 | amiconn | yup |
14:54:44 | tucoz | had to find the firmware on the nordic site. |
14:54:54 | tucoz | Seems they have abanded us for good ;) |
14:55:00 | amiconn | I used different links, us and european sites work |
14:55:07 | amiconn | (but do not provide all firmwares) |
14:55:31 | tucoz | ok, the official one is a hell to browse. |
14:56:02 | amiconn | I'm missing H120 1.65US, H100 1.65K and H100 1.65US |
14:56:27 | tucoz | But iirc, they have dropped the tilted look. |
14:56:41 | tucoz | appearance |
14:56:48 | amiconn | (and H100 1.63K, but Linus didn't provide patched checksums for H100 1.63 versions) |
14:57:14 | tucoz | Ok, don't the yankees get to use the 1.65? |
14:57:37 | amiconn | The korean site has all of them listed, but the links don't work |
14:57:37 | HCl | we should probably start to mirror the firmware before it disappears.. |
14:57:38 | tucoz | weird that you didn't find it on the us-site |
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14:57:57 | amiconn | The links only show a korean error message |
14:58:03 | tucoz | HCl: definitely |
14:58:29 | amiconn | ..and there are japanese versions of the firmware too |
14:58:47 | amiconn | (probably with the different FM frequency range) |
14:58:51 | tucoz | amiconn, yes. Unfortunatley the remote boots iriver fw |
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15:02:24 | tucoz | wonder what verson the honk kong sites offers |
15:02:30 | tucoz | doesn't tell |
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15:08:20 | tucoz | sent a message to iriver using their online form. |
15:08:29 | tucoz | That their download links are broken. |
15:09:27 | DarkLord | knowing them, i wonder if they'll even care to read it (sadly) |
15:09:51 | tucoz | DarkLord: really? |
15:10:11 | tucoz | Never contacted them before, so I wouldn't know |
15:10:35 | DarkLord | well i did contact them in the past and all i get was premade answer (2 times) or no answers at all (2 times also) |
15:10:49 | DarkLord | that was a year ago so maybe it's changed |
15:12:20 | tucoz | DarkLord: ok, that's too bad. But this is an issue that concearns a lot of people. Not just me. |
15:12:27 | DarkLord | that's true |
15:12:36 | tucoz | maybe your's did as well |
15:12:41 | tucoz | yours |
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15:13:00 | DarkLord | no, that was my player which was broken |
15:13:11 | DarkLord | obviously not important enough :) |
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15:13:50 | tucoz | Anyway, it might seem like they have ditched us for good this time ;) |
15:13:56 | * | DarkLord nods |
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15:14:11 | webguest22 | afternoon all - what's up with the daily build page on the web site? |
15:14:28 | DarkLord | works for me |
15:14:30 | tucoz | 'noon |
15:14:32 | webguest22 | the latest build is shown as 7th and there is no latest link for the iriver |
15:14:58 | DarkLord | that's because there's 2 different builds for h110/1150 and h120/140 now |
15:15:05 | tucoz | amiconn said something about that. I think Bagder is the man to fix that. |
15:15:34 | webguest22 | OK - as long as someone knows about it and it's in the queue |
15:15:35 | tucoz | Use the bleeding edge for now |
15:15:50 | tucoz | if you like to upgrade |
15:16:20 | DarkLord | damn i might be dumb, but i can't manage to compile that... a shame |
15:16:25 | webguest22 | well I *should* be doing other things today rather than playing with the latest RockBox :-) |
15:16:26 | tucoz | DarkLord, you're DarkLord in the forums? |
15:16:33 | DarkLord | aye |
15:16:38 | tucoz | webguest22, tell me about it |
15:16:51 | tucoz | Do you have a h110= |
15:16:51 | tucoz | = |
15:16:55 | DarkLord | yup |
15:17:07 | tucoz | Do you get it going? |
15:17:25 | DarkLord | you mean the firmware ? |
15:17:32 | tucoz | yes, rockbox |
15:17:41 | DarkLord | nah it bothers me about a missing file |
15:17:59 | tucoz | ok, so you build it your self then. |
15:18:08 | DarkLord | yes |
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15:18:25 | DarkLord | it shouldn't be a problem normally since i always do that (i'm on linux) |
15:18:41 | DarkLord | but here, there's some pb... i'm checking the compiler atm |
15:19:02 | tucoz | Ok, so your'e used to the toolchain |
15:19:15 | tucoz | grrr, you're |
15:19:40 | DarkLord | yes, but not familiar with the motorola compiler used there |
15:19:58 | DarkLord | using the fwpatcher on linux... i don't even try :) |
15:20:26 | tucoz | me neither. I just booted into windows for the first time in ages, and gave it a go |
15:20:40 | DarkLord | :) |
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15:20:43 | DarkLord | [darklord@Asgard bin]$ make |
15:20:43 | DarkLord | cpp0: config.h: No such file or directory |
15:20:43 | DarkLord | CONVBDF |
15:20:43 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DarkLord |
15:20:43 | DarkLord | make[1]: /home/darklord/rockbox/tools/convbdf: Command not found |
15:20:43 | DarkLord | make[1]: *** [/home/darklord/rockbox/bin/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 127 |
15:20:44 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
15:20:44 | DarkLord | make: *** [all] Erreur 2 |
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15:20:48 | DarkLord | here's what i get |
15:20:52 | tucoz | run make in tools |
15:20:54 | DarkLord | if you've got any idea... |
15:21:02 | DarkLord | it says to not do |
15:21:06 | tucoz | yep, that's the most common issue |
15:21:10 | tucoz | cd tools |
15:21:12 | tucoz | make |
15:21:17 | amiconn | (1) make in tools (2) you need to configure |
15:21:33 | DarkLord | okidok |
15:22:27 | DarkLord | arf my mistake indeed |
15:22:51 | DarkLord | i'm so used to the eternal ./configure && make that i didn't try make after i seen to not do the configure :) |
15:23:19 | tucoz | so you got it compiling then? |
15:23:38 | BBub | DarkLord: i also have a h110 so tell me if it works flawless ;) |
15:23:47 | DarkLord | while i'm on it, is Normal ok or should i take Bootloader ? |
15:23:59 | DarkLord | BBub >> no pb :) |
15:24:07 | tucoz | not bootloader |
15:24:14 | DarkLord | thx |
15:24:23 | DarkLord | that was what i took, just to be sure |
15:24:47 | DarkLord | cc1: Invalid option `strict-align' |
15:24:47 | DarkLord | make[1]: *** [/home/darklord/rockbox/bin/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1 |
15:24:47 | DarkLord | make: *** [all] Erreur 2 |
15:24:49 | tucoz | that will compile the bootloader, which you wouldn't want to compile on youre own. |
15:25:18 | tucoz | what compiler version do you have? |
15:25:21 | Maxime | DarkLord: you've compiled the cross compiler etc? |
15:25:27 | DarkLord | Using m68k-elf-gcc 2.95.3 (295) |
15:25:40 | Maxime | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
15:25:47 | tucoz | you should definitley compile a 3.4.x one |
15:25:49 | Maxime | gcc 3.4 is recomended |
15:26:06 | tucoz | even 3.3 gives some errors |
15:26:15 | DarkLord | the os has gcc4 by default |
15:26:29 | tucoz | that will not work for now |
15:26:47 | tucoz | Just follow the steps on the link Maxime pasted |
15:26:58 | DarkLord | k |
15:27:04 | tucoz | and build yourself a new m68k |
15:27:17 | BBub | could you paste that link again? |
15:27:33 | tucoz | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
15:28:05 | BBub | thx |
15:28:27 | tucoz | good luck guys, got to go. |
15:28:34 | DarkLord | thx & cya |
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15:28:47 | DarkLord | i hope the gcc3 won't conflict with gcc4 |
15:28:55 | DarkLord | i need the gcc4 for other dev tools |
15:28:59 | amiconn | http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/rockbox-h100-20050709-1525.zip if someone with a H100 wants to try. |
15:30:03 | amiconn | Btw, the cross compiler won't conflict with the native gcc |
15:30:21 | DarkLord | thx :) |
15:30:40 | amiconn | I had m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 on cygwin when the native gcc was 3.3.3 only |
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15:33:27 | DarkLord | dang... i've to remove gcc4 |
15:34:35 | amiconn | Huh? |
15:35:03 | DarkLord | either i must install it locally, either gcc4.x will conflict with gcc3.x |
15:35:47 | amiconn | You will need the m68k crosscompiler for compiling for target |
15:35:55 | DarkLord | i already have this one |
15:35:58 | amiconn | That won't conflict with native gcc, either version |
15:36:07 | DarkLord | that's the gcc version which is not good as far as i can see |
15:36:23 | DarkLord | (at least, according to the wiki) |
15:36:41 | DarkLord | "GCC 4.0 does currently not work with Rockbox. Don't try it unless you are prepared to fix the Rockbox code to work with it. Don't bother us with questions on how to fix it. If you're not up to it yourself, then stay with 3.3.4." |
15:36:53 | amiconn | Just build m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 and leave your native gcc 4 installed |
15:37:14 | DarkLord | i try to rebuild the cc then |
15:37:16 | amiconn | Yes, that means a gcc4 *crosscompiler* doesn't work |
15:40:46 | amiconn | Oh, and btw, you can even have more than 1 gcc version of the same kind (e.g. 2 native gcc versions or 2 m68k-elf-gcc crosscompilers) |
15:40:49 | amiconn | Just build them with different prefixes so they go into different dirs |
15:41:01 | amiconn | Then you can switch between them by changing the search path |
15:41:16 | DarkLord | yes that's an idea |
15:43:38 | DarkLord | k i must go i'll finish that later |
15:43:46 | DarkLord | thx for help :) |
15:44:05 | DarkLord | i'll hang back here later today surely |
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15:57:34 | HCl | we should fix gcc 4... |
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15:59:57 | * | HCl goes to take a peek at his todo list |
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16:02:55 | HCl | sorting is tricky.. |
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16:12:28 | leoncamel | hi .. |
16:13:05 | leoncamel | does anybody using PCF50606 before ? i got some problem with it . |
16:13:46 | HCl | what? |
16:14:15 | leoncamel | philips PCF50606 chip. |
16:14:43 | leoncamel | a battery charging chip.. |
16:15:15 | leoncamel | it seems H340 using it . |
16:16:22 | HCl | ah o.o |
16:17:43 | leoncamel | is there anybody got experience on how to using pcf50606, or charging ? |
16:18:23 | HCl | whats the problem with it exactly..? |
16:18:31 | HCl | isn't iriver charging handled by hardware..? |
16:19:09 | leoncamel | is there any H340 hardware document ? |
16:19:31 | HCl | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents |
16:21:04 | leoncamel | okey. thanks |
16:21:51 | leoncamel | is there any detail hardware document ? |
16:24:32 | leoncamel | can i run linux on H340 ? |
16:25:01 | leoncamel | does anybody porting linux to H340 ? |
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16:29:34 | HCl | no. |
16:29:44 | HCl | we're not interested in porting linux |
16:30:19 | leoncamel | okey . |
16:34:02 | leoncamel | what OS does it use ? |
16:43:11 | leoncamel | Great, the "Open Source Jukebox" got great arch.. |
16:44:52 | leoncamel | it would be more scalable if it using Linux . |
16:44:58 | leoncamel | i think . |
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17:01:52 | HCl | not really. |
17:02:31 | HCl | why is it that people think that porting to linux to $random_device will make it do everything they want it to do? |
17:03:33 | Slasheri | ouch, there is definately a bug in file buffering.. codec buffer used: 35/30 MB :D |
17:03:42 | HCl | :P |
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17:05:37 | tucoz | Slasheri: could it be that on track change and track is not in buffer that the pcm data don't get flushed before the new track starts playing? |
17:06:13 | tucoz | that issue that rockbox plays a few seconds from the previous track |
17:06:30 | tucoz | sometimes, not all the time though |
17:07:02 | Slasheri | yes, that is possible |
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17:09:35 | tucoz | ok, I haven't noticed this when the track is buffered, so I thought that might be a possible solution. Although, it's probably a bit more complicated than that. |
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17:37:44 | crwl | okey, now i got the 2200 mAh battery inside |
17:39:30 | stripwax_ | ello |
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17:56:11 | ac | hi all |
17:57:49 | ac | i think, that we should use http://www.wxwindows.org/ for our windows/linux apps |
17:58:23 | stripwax_ | hmm.. whatever happened to Qt ? |
17:59:16 | ac | qt is also possible... |
17:59:50 | ac | i have nerver done anything with qt.. i only know how to code with wxwindows |
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18:00:16 | stripwax_ | oh, wxwindows looks good. gets my vote, especially if we have a dev here who knows it already! |
18:01:29 | ac | fine |
18:01:47 | stripwax_ | so, there's a couple of things I could work on. 1- pcm vu meters (still trying to get my head round the pcm_playback/playback/dsp architecture); songdb.pl user interface for windows; and a Pacman plugin ;-) |
18:02:14 | ac | i will convert the fwpatcher to wxwindows |
18:02:22 | stripwax_ | ac - good call! |
18:02:50 | stripwax_ | ac - it's pretty windows-centric code at the moment by the way (ie Win32 system calls rather than standard c stuff..) |
18:03:07 | ac | songdb.pl interface.. will it be done in c( ) ? |
18:03:46 | stripwax_ | ac - dunno. i'm not going to touch songdb until someone says what the active version is (perl, c, or java). i'm staying well away for now.. |
18:03:54 | stripwax_ | it's just a mess |
18:04:16 | ac | ah ok |
18:04:48 | stripwax_ | mm, maybe i'll first make Sokoban preload all levels into memory on iriver rather than access disk each time.. |
18:05:03 | * | ac plays with the ipod shuffle of this girlfriend |
18:05:19 | ac | stripwax_ nice idea |
18:05:43 | * | stripwax_ never understood the point of an mp3 player without a user interface.. |
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18:08:20 | ac | but i must say that the user interface with the led's is done very good |
18:08:42 | Moos | hi ac: yes tagdb'll be done in C noby working on it i believe |
18:09:32 | ac | Moos: will it be a win32 app? |
18:10:19 | Moos | i don't no what he planed exactly, i know just he have begin to convert |
18:10:33 | Moos | *had |
18:10:49 | ac | we should use wxwindows for our gui apps |
18:11:22 | Moos | propbably |
18:11:59 | ac | i will convert the fwpatcher tonight to wxwindows.. so it will run on linux/windows/mac |
18:12:12 | Moos | have you got any news about your FM port for iriver? :) |
18:12:17 | stripwax_ | ac - gimme a yell if you need a hand with anything! |
18:12:18 | Moos | oh good |
18:12:25 | stripwax_ | FM port? |
18:12:31 | Moos | radio |
18:12:38 | Moos | for irivers |
18:13:22 | stripwax_ | Moos - is someone writing a plugin or something for that at the moment? |
18:13:37 | ac | my electrical devices hate me |
18:13:44 | Moos | ;) |
18:14:02 | Moos | don't know i doubt it |
18:14:06 | ac | on my home pc there was a head crash of my hdd... now some nice iriver code is dead |
18:14:17 | Moos | :( |
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18:14:33 | Moos | condlince |
18:14:39 | Moos | condolence |
18:15:17 | Moos | i believe anyone worked on it for don't duplicate your works |
18:15:26 | ac | i hope my bdm is coming soon |
18:15:57 | ac | i have added a patch to the patchtracker... i2c reading |
18:16:11 | ac | i dont know if it works... but its a nice start |
18:16:24 | ac | cant test it.. |
18:17:56 | Moos | i can't sorry |
18:18:42 | Moos | congratulations for your new futur BDM for your nex rockbox port :) |
18:18:54 | Moos | *new |
18:18:55 | ac | the i2c reading stuff can i test when i am starting iaudio coding... |
18:19:12 | Moos | a good |
18:20:01 | Moos | i don't know if the core devs are looked at your i2c codes |
18:20:22 | ac | i have told linusn that there is a patch |
18:20:39 | ac | so.. sooner or later he will look at it |
18:20:49 | Moos | indded |
18:21:23 | Moos | but he is a bit busy with the A-B marker patch |
18:21:36 | Moos | and he just do new booloader |
18:21:44 | Moos | for the H110... |
18:22:02 | Moos | *bootloader |
18:22:20 | ac | i know |
18:24:07 | Moos | have you got already your new iaudio? |
18:24:22 | stripwax_ | what's iaudio? |
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18:24:58 | Moos | ac: x5, right? |
18:25:30 | ac | jep |
18:25:57 | Moos | hehe very good choice, have you got it? |
18:26:04 | Moos | already |
18:26:17 | ac | jep.. its a very nice player |
18:26:17 | Bagder | stripwax_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioX5HardwareComponents |
18:26:30 | ac | i am waiting for my bdm |
18:26:40 | Moos | hi Bagder |
18:26:52 | Bagder | I'm not really here :-) |
18:26:56 | Moos | :) |
18:31:43 | ac | see you... time to go |
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18:45:39 | stripwax_ | Bagder - ah, ok. thx for the link |
18:56:09 | alxcm | :) |
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19:05:13 | HCl | hrm. |
19:07:02 | stripwax_ | HCl - sup? |
19:07:21 | stripwax_ | (by the way, is that an 'ell' or an 'eye' at the end?) |
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19:09:07 | HCl | bored.. |
19:11:12 | HCl | trying to help dumb people.. |
19:11:44 | stripwax_ | HCI - is that HCI or HC-lower-case-L ? |
19:11:51 | HCl | lowercase L |
19:11:55 | HCl | HydroChloride |
19:12:05 | stripwax_ | HCl yeah, wasn't sure tho (using a pants font) |
19:12:33 | stripwax_ | HCl - I'll stop calling you HCI then ;-) |
19:12:59 | HCl | :P |
19:23:59 | HCl | stupid people are frustrating.. |
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19:26:23 | * | stripwax_ used to work in tech support - never agin |
19:26:34 | HCl | lol. |
19:26:36 | HCl | yea.. |
19:27:39 | HCl | people can be so incompetent |
19:27:54 | HCl | like they can't think |
19:28:06 | stripwax_ | HCl - wanna get something off your chest? :-p |
19:28:15 | HCl | :P naw. its okay |
19:28:20 | HCl | i'm mostly bored |
19:28:25 | HCl | and out of boredom i started helping people |
19:28:40 | HCl | which wasn't such a good idea cause they were all rather dumb :/ and i get frustrated quickly when people are being dumb |
19:30:57 | HCl | heh.. |
19:31:06 | HCl | after repeating myself at least 3 times they finally got it.. |
19:31:24 | stripwax_ | wow, only 3 times? they can't be too dumb then! ;-) |
19:31:28 | HCl | :P |
19:31:33 | HCl | ah well |
19:31:35 | HCl | they can't help it... |
19:31:39 | HCl | but its still frustrating :/ |
19:31:42 | crashd | yeah they can |
19:31:44 | crashd | they can get a fucking clue |
19:31:54 | crashd | ive been doing desktop support at a big investment in city |
19:32:03 | crashd | and they're all as stupid as 2 planks |
19:32:13 | stripwax_ | crashd - unlucky, I just work in one. Hey, I'm probably one of your dumb users! ;-) |
19:32:18 | HCl | nah.. intelligence is fairly fixed.. you can't really train it.. |
19:32:26 | crashd | stripwax_: i hope not |
19:32:31 | crashd | ;) |
19:32:33 | stripwax_ | crash_ hurhur |
19:32:45 | ]RowaN[ | christ look at this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/uk_number_30_bus_bomb_aftermath/img/3.jpg |
19:32:49 | crashd | doesnt happen to be a certain dutch i.b does it? |
19:32:49 | ]RowaN[ | ppl still alive on the top deck |
19:32:50 | HCl | what? |
19:32:50 | crashd | ;) |
19:33:02 | HCl | oh. |
19:33:03 | HCl | the bus. |
19:33:15 | HCl | yea.. |
19:33:42 | * | HCl goes back to being bored :/ :/ |
19:33:59 | HCl | i should probably read up on how playlists work in rockbox.. |
19:34:01 | stripwax_ | crashd - nope, american. you're ok then |
19:34:10 | * | HCl prods amiconn or Bagder or other people who might know about that. |
19:36:50 | * | HCl searches for his to-watch anime list |
19:39:48 | HCl | there we go, entertainment |
19:45:44 | HCl | ahh. anime's in which bad guys are getting slashed into tiny little bits of meat are always good |
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19:49:45 | HCl | up till the point where it freezes.. ofcourse.. |
19:49:48 | * | HCl prods his xbox |
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19:54:59 | XavierGr | what anime title you watch? |
19:56:16 | ghode|afk | hcl, is your database thing mp3 only atm? |
19:56:52 | HCl | no |
19:57:43 | * | HCl bites xbox |
19:58:52 | * | HCl makes mental note; buy proper ethernet cable for xbox |
19:59:05 | HCl | XavierGr: let me check |
19:59:10 | HCl | samurai.. something. its cool. |
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19:59:27 | HCl | samurai champloo |
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20:20:04 | XavierGr | hey I cant find the test record from the debug menu of iriver |
20:20:17 | XavierGr | did they removed it? |
20:20:46 | ghode|afk | try search? although i think its in root |
20:21:56 | XavierGr | search root? |
20:22:23 | XavierGr | I remember that in debug menu there was a choice to test the recording capabilities of the iriver |
20:23:19 | ghode|afk | hmm do you mean the output file or the test feature? |
20:24:14 | XavierGr | in the debug menu there was a record menu that gave you line-in or build in record |
20:24:45 | ghode|afk | yeah, is it now there for you? |
20:24:53 | XavierGr | no |
20:24:57 | XavierGr | I cant find it |
20:26:27 | ghode|afk | i have it |
20:26:36 | ghode|afk | debug > pcm recording |
20:27:23 | XavierGr | info>debug> pcm recording? |
20:27:33 | ghode|afk | but my build is 2 days old, so something might have changed |
20:27:35 | ghode|afk | yes |
20:27:39 | XavierGr | oh |
20:28:01 | XavierGr | then I shall try an old release because I cant find it in the latest |
20:29:48 | ghode|afk | my build is 050707 0224 |
20:30:58 | XavierGr | yeah I found it now |
20:31:09 | ghode|afk | on newest build? |
20:31:16 | XavierGr | no in the older |
20:31:21 | ghode|afk | okey |
20:31:40 | XavierGr | I will couple the line-in with the line out and I will try to record while playing an mp3 :) |
20:32:45 | ghode|afk | not been able to get this to work myself, it always crashes my player after a few seconds |
20:33:27 | XavierGr | oh so there is not only me who thought of it |
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20:38:42 | HCl | bored.. |
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20:51:06 | HCl | hey linus |
20:51:18 | HCl | people had problems with the v3 bootloader |
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20:51:33 | HCl | it still booting the original firmware with remote play on.. and it saying bootloader v2, iirc |
20:51:37 | LinusN | amiconn: i can start rockbox with the remote on both h110 and h120 with the two bootloader-h1x0.bin files in the wiki |
20:51:54 | tucoz | LinusN: short press starts rockbox, long press starts iriver |
20:51:55 | LinusN | then i guess fwpatcher.exe is bad |
20:52:05 | tucoz | It's not the patcher, I tried both |
20:52:08 | tucoz | methods |
20:52:18 | tucoz | to patch the firmware |
20:52:40 | tucoz | rec short press starts iriver |
20:52:54 | tucoz | *rec plus short press |
20:52:56 | LinusN | i just downloaded the two .bin files and patched by hand |
20:53:12 | LinusN | they say v3 and does not boot iriver |
20:53:14 | tucoz | I did that now, it was me that edited the wiki |
20:54:28 | tucoz | So, does long press on play on the remote start iriver's fw for you aswell? |
20:55:29 | LinusN | hmmm |
20:55:52 | LinusN | yes it does |
20:58:04 | LinusN | i wonder why |
20:58:49 | tucoz | Does the H110 behave in the same way? |
20:59:03 | LinusN | yes |
20:59:15 | tucoz | ok |
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21:11:58 | LinusN | hmmm, seems to be a bug in the adc or button driver |
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21:27:06 | tucoz | LinusN: good luck with the bug chasing. |
21:27:38 | tucoz | I think I'll go out for a walk. |
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21:48:33 | LinusN | found and killed the bug |
21:50:31 | HCl | yay. |
21:50:46 | HCl | you didn't capture it and release it outside? you murderer! :P |
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22:07:40 | LinusN | hmm, i need the korean 1.63 firmware for h110 |
22:08:18 | LinusN | oh, i need all of the 1.63 firmwares for h110 |
22:08:40 | HCl | hm |
22:09:23 | HCl | http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/FIRMWARE/Iriver/Iriver-H110-firmware-163.shtml ? |
22:11:18 | LinusN | hmm, doesn't work for me |
22:12:44 | LinusN | the dl doesn't start, and the mirror is the iriver site |
22:14:24 | HCl | k |
22:14:31 | HCl | then i dunno:/ |
22:15:25 | LinusN | it's annoying, i can't release a new fwpatcher without the 1.53 md5sums |
22:15:28 | LinusN | 1.63 |
22:15:54 | HCl | :/ |
22:18:37 | HCl | cats rule |
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22:21:30 | muesli- | re |
22:21:32 | stripwax_ | LinusN - is iriver's site down? |
22:21:41 | LinusN | yes |
22:21:44 | muesli- | does somebody use audiograbber? |
22:23:44 | BBub | i did in the past |
22:23:54 | BBub | but exactaudiocopy is far superior ;) |
22:24:19 | muesli- | eac causes errors on my machine |
22:24:25 | stripwax_ | muesli- what sort of errors? |
22:24:28 | stripwax_ | eac is awesome |
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22:25:33 | BBub | muesli-: maybe its just an aspi isue? |
22:25:39 | BBub | *issue |
22:25:40 | muesli- | files are copied with 100% quality but my mp3s hat strange noises |
22:25:48 | muesli- | had |
22:25:57 | stripwax | and you're using Secure mode? |
22:26:01 | BBub | ah, thats probably due to wrong settings |
22:26:02 | muesli- | yepp |
22:26:07 | muesli- | hissing |
22:26:52 | stripwax | muesli- did you try ripping to WAV files, to see if it's just an mp3 encoding bug? |
22:27:44 | muesli- | good idea |
22:27:49 | muesli- | should try this |
22:27:50 | muesli- | http://www.stud.fh-hannover.de/~beckmarc/eac/index.php.htm |
22:27:54 | stripwax | yeah.. |
22:28:07 | muesli- | although its in german you can see my used parameters |
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22:29:02 | tucoz | ahh, that was a nice run. And nice to come back to a bug less |
22:29:03 | stripwax | muesli- are you using AccurateRip ? |
22:29:16 | muesli- | dunno..tried some month ago |
22:29:25 | muesli- | it |
22:30:00 | stripwax | if you are using it, it will setup eac's drive options with the right settings (c2, cache, and offset) |
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22:30:25 | stripwax | but that's unlikely to be the problem, really, - just a very good idea, especially offset |
22:30:47 | muesli- | dunno too much about the settings...just used this manual.. |
22:30:59 | muesli- | and eac doesnt support −−gap :-/ |
22:31:09 | stripwax | −−gap? |
22:31:26 | stripwax | eac just passes whatever settings you want to whatever encoder you want. eac doesn't do any encoding itself |
22:31:53 | muesli- | i wrote an email to the author and he told me it's not supported |
22:33:01 | stripwax | I dunno what −−gap does. but if it's an mp3 encoder option can't you just put it in "additional command line options" ? or is it a way of specifying a fixed gap (in which case I'm not too surprised it's not supported...) |
22:33:18 | muesli- | yeah, thats true too |
22:33:37 | muesli- | −−gap should be used to prevent gaps ;) |
22:36:35 | bill2or3 | when you're just listening to music on shuffle, how often does the drive spin up?(iriver) |
22:36:42 | bill2or3 | can it buffer a whole song? |
22:37:08 | stripwax | it can buffer about 10 songs.. |
22:37:21 | bill2or3 | I didnt realize there was that much memory |
22:37:24 | bill2or3 | 16megs? |
22:37:28 | stripwax | 32MB |
22:37:31 | bill2or3 | nice |
22:38:09 | muesli- | 10? 2 much if you ask me ;-) high quality mp3s are at least 5mb in size ;) |
22:39:13 | HCl | heh |
22:39:31 | floam | anyone ever attempted hacking the iaudio M3? |
22:39:44 | stripwax | muesli- high quality OGGs are much smaller, dude :-p |
22:39:50 | HCl | does anyone know anything about how rockbox handles playlists and how one would add files to the current playlist? |
22:40:02 | muesli- | but drain the battery more ;) |
22:40:41 | HCl | linus left.. |
22:40:45 | muesli- | floam guess not and cant imagine that will ever happen |
22:40:46 | stripwax | muesli- well, they spin the drive less often, so not necessarily ;-) |
22:41:02 | stripwax | HCl - no idea, sorry |
22:41:07 | bill2or3 | I've wired a drive access LED to my H340 |
22:41:16 | bill2or3 | it's all still apart, but it works |
22:41:22 | stripwax | HCl - just see what the Insert End (etc) code does? |
22:42:23 | floam | muesli-: why not? there was a huge discussion about it two weeks ago |
22:42:37 | muesli- | where? |
22:42:39 | muesli- | here? |
22:42:48 | floam | yes |
22:42:59 | amiconn | Hmm, Linus went away... :/ |
22:43:02 | muesli- | ah ok..it was mho |
22:43:10 | muesli- | only |
22:43:13 | floam | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioM3HardwareComponents |
22:43:22 | muesli- | ashes on my head :D |
22:43:34 | floam | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050614.txt |
22:43:59 | amiconn | LinusN: In case you read the log - I do have H100 1.63US and waht-I-believe H100 1.63EU |
22:44:38 | muesli- | does the new bootloader introduces itself as v2 on your machines too? |
22:44:55 | floam | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioM3Info |
22:45:59 | muesli- | floam didnt know this and didnt expect that rbx will be ported on m3 to be honest |
22:46:34 | tucoz | amiconn: this is a h110 1.63 from the japanese site http://www.iriver.co.jp/support/down.php?article=151 |
22:46:55 | floam | the M3 is very similar to some irivier players in terms of hardware |
22:47:02 | tucoz | don't know if that is the korean version, or do they make a japanese as well? |
22:47:10 | floam | and has a few nice things like larger firmware space |
22:47:48 | amiconn | muesli-: No, the v3 bootloader displays 'v3' |
22:48:02 | muesli- | thats not an issue..rbx needs only some bites for booting |
22:48:04 | muesli- | amiconn |
22:48:06 | muesli- | strange |
22:48:08 | floam | I guess the need for rockbox on the m3 is less than the need on iriver |
22:48:31 | floam | the people that make the M3 are good about having monthly firmware releases and they support a lot of requested stuff |
22:48:34 | floam | like FLAC |
22:48:44 | muesli- | i've checked md6 checksum and they are identical with one from the wiki |
22:49:17 | muesli- | amiconn could you please email me your v3, please? |
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22:50:10 | HCl | amiconn: do you have anything against me checking in the java songdb source into cvs? |
22:52:41 | stripwax | HCl it's a good idea ... |
22:55:22 | tucoz | floam: fyi, a port for the x5 might be in the works. If you would like to see a port to the m3 you can start by finding out as much as possible about it. Find reference manuals for the components and so on. |
22:56:42 | tucoz | oh, looks like a lot has been made already |
22:56:48 | tucoz | in that department |
22:57:16 | HCl | yea, but i need to check whether there are people against me doing that |
22:57:39 | HCl | cause when i proposed the new database a lot of people were against it too, so i want to be sure before doing anything o.o |
22:57:54 | stripwax | I got the impression that ppl were surprised that it *wasn't* in cvs ... |
22:58:16 | HCl | i mostly didn't check it in cause its like... 90 sourcefiles at the very least? |
22:58:20 | HCl | its far from pretty |
22:58:21 | stripwax | eeeep |
22:58:37 | floam | tucoz: there are a bunch of pictures of the m3 and datasheets for all the chips |
22:58:40 | tucoz | iirc, a lot of people didn't like it when it were in cvs. but that might have been the binary |
22:58:42 | floam | on the rockbox wiki |
22:58:53 | HCl | tucoz: mhm.. |
22:59:30 | tucoz | floam: yes i noticed. But, someone with a m3 has to start working on it. Like, write a bootloader for it etc. |
22:59:47 | tucoz | HCl: so I can see if your'e confused on what to do :D |
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23:00:47 | stripwax | HCl how about checking in the specs rather than all the source? and link the source from the wiki? |
23:03:19 | tucoz | HCl: but it would be nice for you, to lower your burden of bug fixes. |
23:04:08 | tucoz | although it is perfectly possible to fix it now, as the source is in the jar, but cvs is a lot nicer in that sence |
23:07:13 | HCl | stripwax: what do you mean? |
23:07:13 | HCl | tucoz: i guess... |
23:07:13 | HCl | ping. |
23:07:27 | HCl | mhm. |
23:07:42 | * | HCl got disconnected for about 3 minutes.. |
23:09:17 | tucoz | Maybe someone with a mistic river account can ask for help regarding the broken downloads for the firmware. |
23:09:19 | stripwax | HCl - i kinda mean, a full description of what it does, files format, etc, rather than 90+ files in cvs. but if the source is in the jar, then I guess don't worry about cvs at all |
23:09:44 | HCl | i'm not sure what you mean with a full description.. |
23:09:47 | HCl | you mean code comments? |
23:10:34 | stripwax | i mean, description of what the java code is doing differently than the songdb.pl. unless i've misunderstood the whole conversation, of course! |
23:10:36 | tucoz | Like, gather working ones. |
23:11:01 | HCl | the whole format of the database is described on the wiki extensively... |
23:11:15 | HCl | i don't think i've forgotten anything on there |
23:11:45 | * | stripwax goes to read the wiki.. |
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23:12:57 | stripwax | remind me why we need a perl AND a java version again (and a C version..) |
23:13:21 | tucoz | I get the point that it is unwanted with several different tools that do the same thing. Hard to maintain |
23:13:31 | HCl | cause i hate perl and it became unmaintainable |
23:13:52 | HCl | the c version is because some people would like the database to be generated on target... godknows why |
23:14:04 | stripwax | Here's a thought - if we have just one version, then (as alxcm pointed out), a cross-platform UI would be easy e.g. wkWindows. |
23:14:25 | tucoz | HCl: that is a good thing. I often forget to run it on host. |
23:14:26 | * | stripwax personally thinks UIs in java look like shit on Windows operating systems.. :-( |
23:14:35 | alxcm | lol |
23:14:39 | alxcm | well it depends |
23:14:46 | alxcm | swing on 1.5 looks good |
23:14:51 | HCl | tucoz: it would only be a good thing if it would be able to read the old database |
23:14:53 | tucoz | stripwax: java 1.5 looks better than it used to |
23:15:28 | stripwax | tucoz - hmm.. |
23:15:49 | tucoz | HCl: I mean generate a new db on target. |
23:16:08 | tucoz | Why would we want to read the old database? |
23:16:38 | HCl | because it would save a lot of work and you could only add the files that have been changed/added |
23:16:58 | stripwax | HCl oh you mean prev database rather than prev database version? |
23:17:02 | HCl | yes |
23:17:06 | tucoz | me too |
23:17:17 | HCl | sorry |
23:17:18 | stripwax | oh, does the C version not even do that? that's pants |
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23:17:31 | Bagder | the C version is very new |
23:17:32 | HCl | as far as i know it doesn't.. |
23:17:36 | Bagder | and not working yet |
23:18:12 | HCl | Bagder: do you have anything against me checking in the java version into cvs...? |
23:18:35 | tucoz | But having the framework in place is good start though. But I know a lot of people like perl for parsing, so I get the point of having a perl db generator. |
23:18:46 | Bagder | I've already written that I would like it in CVS |
23:18:53 | HCl | okay |
23:18:58 | Bagder | possibly in its own module |
23:19:02 | HCl | even if its over 90 sourcefiles? |
23:19:03 | HCl | ah. |
23:19:04 | Bagder | since it is... excessive |
23:19:05 | HCl | how would i do that? |
23:19:12 | * | stripwax chuckles |
23:19:17 | tucoz | HCl: now it's the time to write: major commit coming up |
23:19:39 | HCl | tucoz: it'll take a while anywho, part of it is binary only, gotta fetch the sources off the sites |
23:20:06 | stripwax | Hm, if the target generated the db itself, we wouldn't have to worry about any platform-dependent user interfaces at all.. |
23:20:23 | Bagder | it will be very slow on target |
23:20:30 | HCl | you're forgetting that target generated databases will most likely be slow and drain the entire battery |
23:20:48 | tucoz | unless they only do what you said. |
23:21:04 | HCl | it'd still be slow.. |
23:21:06 | HCl | but yea. |
23:21:10 | tucoz | and no major changes have been made of course |
23:21:25 | HCl | i think its pointless to do it like that, the runtime database code can easily handle new files and add them to the tagdatabase on the fly |
23:21:28 | stripwax | HCl is that just because we CRC everything? |
23:21:30 | HCl | it only doesn't have tag reading code |
23:21:39 | tucoz | like deleted the entire collection, and copied a new one to it. |
23:21:41 | HCl | partly.. |
23:25:53 | stripwax | Hm, why is the tagdatabase separate from the rundb? |
23:26:00 | tucoz | HCl: so that will be a feature of the runtime db. cool. |
23:26:36 | HCl | yea. it shouldn't be hard to add, really. |
23:26:41 | stripwax | given that the tagdatabase already has a File Entry table |
23:26:51 | HCl | you'd just play a song thats not in the database, and it would add it |
23:26:53 | * | stripwax simply doesn't understand so is surely stupid |
23:27:02 | tucoz | hehe, cool |
23:27:05 | HCl | the tagdatabase can also be empty... |
23:27:54 | tucoz | Then the tagdb on target is pointless? |
23:28:18 | stripwax | hmm.. guess I'd misunderstood the File Entry table then (not a list of Files, huh?) |
23:28:35 | HCl | well. the runtime database would only add files that have been played and aren't in the tag database |
23:28:45 | HCl | it would be annoying to have to play all your songs in order to create a database |
23:28:46 | Bagder | tucoz: you still might want to browse files via tags |
23:28:56 | HCl | that too. |
23:29:04 | HCl | the runtime database won't be able to update the browsing bit. |
23:29:14 | tucoz | hmm, I don't get it. |
23:29:17 | HCl | aside from it showing in all songs |
23:29:42 | muesli- | could somebody email me bootloader v3 1.65eu? |
23:29:42 | stripwax | Ok: someone able to tell me why the tagdatabase doesn't just automatically contain an entry for all files?! why do we need a *separate* rundb?? |
23:30:04 | Bagder | stripwax: because we want to be able to generate a new db without ruining the rundb |
23:30:20 | Bagder | since that is done on host, and the rundb on target |
23:30:20 | HCl | yea. |
23:30:37 | tucoz | But if the runtime db adds entires to the tagdb, why won't they show up when I browse by id3db |
23:30:49 | stripwax | Yeah, but the rundb contains pointers into the File Entry table in tagdatabase so ... huh? |
23:31:00 | HCl | because it doesn't have the memory to keep track of artist<->album<->song relationships |
23:31:14 | HCl | the runtime database can add a fileentry, add a runtime database entry |
23:31:21 | HCl | and possibly it could also add a basic tagdb entry |
23:31:53 | stripwax | HCI no what I mean is, whatever logic is being used to maintain the pointers between tagdatabase and rundb - couldn't they just be used to keep track of entries in the tagdatabase so we don't even need a *separate* rundb? |
23:32:14 | HCl | no, we couldn't. its so we can make a new tag database without destroying runtime database info |
23:32:29 | HCl | trust me, the database design is really quite advanced and thought through |
23:32:45 | HCl | well, not quite advanced but fairly advanced. |
23:33:00 | stripwax | HCl when would you want to delete the tag database and start again though? |
23:33:25 | tucoz | ok, I just thought that the runtime added an entry to the tagdb. Then that functionalty could be used to scan the db. But, it seems you know what youre talking about, and I'm not :) |
23:33:48 | HCl | stripwax: when you added files and want to be able to browse them using the database? |
23:34:32 | stripwax | HCl why does that need to delete the old tagdatabase? why wouldn't that just add to it? i'm not sure I understand why putting rundb info in the tagdatabase (which I know you don't do) is bad |
23:34:50 | stripwax | unless you delete the tagdatabase. which you just try not to do? |
23:34:53 | HCl | at the moment it deletes the old tagdatabase |
23:35:05 | HCl | the java tool can be easily adapted to read in the previous one |
23:35:07 | stripwax | HCl ok - so if it didn't, wouldn't we only need one db? |
23:35:14 | tucoz | HCl: So, that is were the hashing is used. To distinguish between files, so that regardless of browsing method, the same file will be added to the runtime db. |
23:35:16 | HCl | as for the perl version, it would be pretty much hell to read in a previous one |
23:35:28 | HCl | no. |
23:35:57 | tucoz | ok :/ |
23:35:59 | HCl | tucoz: among other things.. hashing is used so that regardless of moving files, they will keep their runtime info |
23:36:08 | HCl | the no was directed to stripwax |
23:36:20 | HCl | also, if you have duplicate songs, they share their runtime info |
23:36:25 | HCl | at least. they're supposed to. |
23:36:33 | HCl | we're not quite managing hashing by music data yet |
23:36:40 | tucoz | oh, that is really great. |
23:37:28 | stripwax | HCl - thanks. Hmmm, good point on the sharing the runtime info. So maybe if there was a hash table in the tagdatabase (mapping hashes to runtime info), and if the tools didn't delete the old tagdb when creating a new one, then would that mean we only need one db? |
23:37:43 | tucoz | Man, you have made quite an effort in thinking this thing through. I'm impressed. |
23:37:56 | HCl | stripwax: i'd really rather not risk the runtime info getting corrupted by an malfunctioning tool.. |
23:38:13 | HCl | why are you so focused on making it a single file? |
23:38:20 | stripwax | If you had duplicate songs from different CDs, then they wouldn't share runtime info would they? Not by hash anyway, because they'd surely hash differently |
23:38:38 | HCl | depending on how we hash, but probably not. |
23:38:52 | HCl | i added tmi support which tries to hash by resulting music |
23:38:55 | stripwax | HCl :-) no reason. Just trying to work out why it's a separate db rather than just a separate table in the same db |
23:39:01 | HCl | but that turned out to be worse than just hashing with crc32 |
23:39:13 | HCl | mostly because we want to be able to generate the tagdatabase from scratch |
23:39:19 | HCl | without needing the player |
23:39:21 | tucoz | But the musicbrainz hashing isn't failsafe either (iirc). |
23:39:21 | HCl | a lot of users |
23:39:26 | HCl | have a copy of their music collection on their pc |
23:39:32 | HCl | and want to generate their database off target |
23:39:36 | HCl | without having access to the old one |
23:40:00 | HCl | tucoz: yea, i definately noticed that. i implemented the musicbrainz hashing in the java tool a while ago, i removed it again.. |
23:40:02 | stripwax | HCL does that mean that the PC-side tool is dog-slow? |
23:40:17 | HCl | well. as long as you're on usb2 its not too slow. |
23:40:41 | stripwax | HCl I thought you just said it generates the database off target from a copy on their PC? |
23:40:57 | HCl | some people do. |
23:40:59 | HCl | not all people |
23:41:03 | stripwax | but i take it it re-reads all the tags of all the files every time it is run |
23:41:11 | HCl | i generate it on the pc using my player as harddisk |
23:41:13 | HCl | at the moment, yes. |
23:41:23 | HCl | i should probably add support for a previous database in the java tool. |
23:41:39 | HCl | but its hardly a priority |
23:42:23 | tucoz | HCl: I think the java tool is fairly efficient. Not too slow at least. |
23:42:31 | HCl | lol. |
23:42:36 | HCl | efficient, not really XD |
23:42:41 | HCl | but yea, its not too slow XD |
23:42:50 | HCl | i mean. seriously. its horridly inefficient |
23:42:51 | HCl | but yea xD |
23:43:05 | muesli- | n8 mates |
23:43:06 | HCl | mostly due to the lack of a proper backend for reading tags |
23:43:35 | HCl | i use 2 backends at the moment, one for reading tags and another for figuring out playtime... |
23:43:46 | HCl | someone really needs to write a single good backend :/ |
23:44:04 | HCl | or explain to me how to get playtime from an mp3/ogg normally.. |
23:44:09 | tucoz | Have you scoured the internet for such libraries? |
23:44:13 | HCl | yup. |
23:44:16 | stripwax | HCl - ogginfo ?? |
23:44:23 | tucoz | guessed you had |
23:44:34 | HCl | anywho |
23:44:40 | HCl | the current solution works till we get something better. |
23:44:52 | stripwax | ogginfo is just a standard ogg tool, and it outputs everything I'm sure you'll need to know |
23:45:02 | HCl | i can't rely on external tools.. |
23:45:10 | tucoz | why not? |
23:45:14 | stripwax | what, like a JRE? :-p |
23:46:09 | HCl | i don't really regard jre as an external tool, but yes, i'd like to keep the external dependencies on 0 if possible |
23:46:29 | tucoz | the perl version requires perl. The java requires JRE. If you had a small tool to spit out tags, that wouldn't be so bad. But I know what you mean. |
23:47:11 | HCl | i guess |
23:47:13 | stripwax | ogginfo and mp3info spits out tags. so, ? |
23:47:21 | HCl | the tag reading backend that i have at the moment is pretty good anyways |
23:47:29 | HCl | its mostly the problem of getting the playtime |
23:47:52 | HCl | the current tag reading backend comes from an iriver db generation tool written in java |
23:47:57 | stripwax | HCl well I guess you could reimplement the guts of ogginfo into Java but I don't really see the point |
23:48:02 | HCl | mhm. |
23:48:04 | tucoz | As an end user of the tagdb, I think it's definietly ok in terms of speed. |
23:48:14 | HCl | well |
23:48:25 | HCl | at some point i'm hoping to get rid of the bigger and more broken part of the backend |
23:48:34 | stripwax | which bit's that? |
23:48:44 | HCl | the bit that figures out playtime |
23:48:57 | tucoz | Ok, well the cvs commit is a leap in the right direction at least. |
23:49:01 | HCl | yea |
23:49:09 | HCl | Bagder: how do i make a new module or something? |
23:50:00 | tucoz | http://www.cdt.luth.se/~peppar/presentations/cvs/slide10.html |
23:50:10 | tucoz | is that what you're looking for? |
23:50:38 | HCl | hm |
23:50:39 | HCl | maybe |
23:50:52 | HCl | but i'd like to confirm it with Bagder anyways before i mess something up.. |
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23:51:13 | tucoz | :) |
23:51:17 | ac | hi |
23:51:32 | tucoz | hi |
23:51:34 | HCl | hello. |
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23:51:39 | ac | does anybody know a tool to make schematics like this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverSchematics |
23:52:46 | HCl | i guess linus would know |
23:53:01 | stripwax | HCl does the java tool work with 'free' linux JREs e.g. classpath/blackdown/..? |
23:53:03 | ac | yep... but he isnt online :( |
23:53:19 | HCl | stripwax: not sure |
23:53:22 | stripwax | mmm |
23:55:15 | tucoz | stripwax, isn't suns JRE free? Or do you mean open source? |
23:55:46 | * | tucoz is not that lectured on licencies and stuff like that |
23:56:10 | stripwax | tucoz - i mean the kind of JRE that Freenet users or Debian hippies would want to use |
23:57:03 | stripwax | http://www.sdn.or.id/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/java-faq/ch5.html |
23:57:24 | tucoz | stripwax: ok, so even if suns JRE is free in the sence that you don't have to pay to use it. It's not free in the sence of freedom |
23:58:05 | stripwax | "free as in beer, not free as in speech" |
23:58:08 | alxcm | the source is free |
23:58:22 | alxcm | however, you're not allowed to change it |
23:58:27 | ac | about what java tool are you talking? |
23:58:29 | stripwax | alxcm - what, the source code for Sun's Java Runtime Environment is free? |
23:58:34 | * | stripwax didn't know that.. neat |
23:58:40 | alxcm | yeah, it comes with the JDK |
23:58:45 | alxcm | well, the stuff that's in java |
23:58:49 | alxcm | not sure about the native methods |
23:58:55 | alxcm | the C stuff |
23:58:58 | tucoz | ac: tagdb |