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#rockbox log for 2005-08-07

00:01:11muesli-format muesli:
00:02:40XavierGrformat you?
00:02:55***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:03:31XavierGrdoes anyone remembers how can I save my alias in linux?
00:04:36Vortexwrite them down to ~/.bash_rc
00:05:29XavierGrok thanks
00:05:55XavierGris this bash_rc a file?
00:06:14Vortexits the bash shell startup script
00:06:19Vortexits a file
00:06:45Vortexmight not be the exact name, try ls -al
00:06:49Vortexsee if something pops up
00:06:55Vortexat your home dir, ofcourse
00:10:50XavierGr# auto-complete is case INsensitive
00:10:50XavierGr# also requires an edit .inputrc
00:10:50XavierGrshopt -s nocaseglob
00:11:05XavierGrthats what was written in .bashrc
00:11:27XavierGrnow can I type alias 'name'=command and save it?
00:13:12Vortexyup
00:13:24Vortexi think its alias="command"
00:13:26Vortexnot sure
00:15:07XavierGrI'll give it a try
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00:42:01*HCl prods XavierGr
00:43:45HClsorry
00:43:50HClread privmsg
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00:59:25XavierGrHCl: It gave a run time error again?
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01:03:27XavierGrHoly CRAP. It works on my player but it crashes on the simulator!!!!!
01:03:51XavierGrHow's that happening?
01:04:57XavierGrNow I am in fear to test what I programmed in the simulator. What if it crashes on other correct instances too?
01:13:30 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house")
01:19:00HClXavierGr: yea, the sim isn't always accurate
01:19:05HCli remember when i first got rockboy to run
01:19:13HClit worked on iriver but not in the simulator
01:19:43HClone of the reasons why i rarely ever use the simulator to test what i code
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01:28:05XavierGrso HCl are you going to optimize the rockboy emulator any time soon (or is it on your plans?)
01:28:38XavierGrDo you think that it can be optimized to be playable (with its sound on)
01:29:27 Quit Vortex ("random chances operate in my favour")
01:29:32HClwell
01:29:40HClits been in an increasing priority, at least.
01:29:54HClfirst thing i need to look at is making the runtime database work without a tag database
01:30:21HCland it *can* be optimized, but the question is more to how much time you want to put in optimizing it, heh.
01:30:41HCli know there are a few critical functions that can be converted to asm without too much trouble
01:30:58HClif that doesn't give enough speed we'll have to rewrite the cpu core to assembly
01:32:36XavierGrhmm I don't know much about programming but whenever I hear "optimizing" I think that this must be the most difficult part. Because you will have to think ways to do the same thing but without cluttering the cpu. Very difficult indeed.
01:33:12XavierGrAnd sometimes this may lead up to complete reright, I guess...
01:33:34HClyup.
01:34:13DarkkOneSome might argue it's the most fun, depending on the person though
01:34:31HCli know at least that people who are expecting it to do full color on h3x0 are badly mistaken
01:34:45DarkkOneHehehe
01:34:46HClit barely has enough cpu to do grayscale, let alone remapping the colors
01:35:11HClbut it runs pretty well.
01:35:23HClwe should be able to squeeze a little more speed out of it
01:35:28HClsomeday
01:36:14XavierGrhm I now remember my brother telling about one of his friends.
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01:36:49XavierGrHe told him that he HAS PROGRAMMED an alternate firmware for the iHP!!!!!
01:37:01HClgheh.
01:37:09HCllet me guess, he used that picture changer thing?
01:37:14HClor was he actually trying to take credit for rockbox?
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01:37:28XavierGrThat's what I am thinking
01:37:44XavierGrI will actually call him to see what's happening
01:38:25XavierGralso the same guy said that the sony PSP uses a 40-core CPU? and that he managed (after many months of work) to make 32-core CPU alone!!!!!
01:38:42HClgheh.
01:38:57HClif someone said that to me i'd be instantly ignoring them about computers and try to change subjects
01:39:17XavierGrMy brother is trully technical handicap but that is just crazy!
01:39:55XavierGrWho can believe all this crap? And when I told my brother that he is lying he yelled at me
01:40:58XavierGrThough, I am very curious too actually listen this guy about all these.
01:42:22XavierGrAnd I say to me. Is there any chance a guy like him have an alternate firmware, while a whole team is working on it?
01:42:47XavierGrI am thinking that my brother maybe heard something different from him...
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01:42:55BoD[]Hellooow!
01:44:34XavierGrHi
01:44:58BoD[]hey
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01:45:16BoD[]does anyone know how (if possible) to remove drm protection from a wma file?
01:45:44BoD[]a friend bought a song on napster (yes) and one on yahoo music... and of cours I can't play it on my pc
01:49:21XavierGryou can make a real time recording while playing it on his PC
01:50:24XavierGrI searched a little bit about it only to found that removing drm is no longer possible. (nothing is inpossible but for the time being noone has written an app for it)
01:50:37DarkkOneWell, if it's the actual purchased napster songs, those are supposed to be strippable.
01:50:45DarkkOneI thought...
01:51:59thegeek_Advanced Encode Decode Tools
01:52:12thegeek_it basically just plays it and records it at the same time
01:52:28thegeek_it did the latest wma protection last time I used it
01:52:45thegeek_thegeek">http://www.freakforum.nu/forum/showthread.php?t=25279&highlight=thegeek
01:52:49thegeek_you prob. wont understand that
01:52:52thegeek_it norwegian
01:52:53thegeek_but..
01:52:53thegeek_;)
01:53:22XavierGryeah thegeek but what if you don't have the PC with the license?
01:53:34thegeek_exactly,)
01:53:43thegeek_you need to do it on the pc with the license
01:53:59thegeek_afaik there is no known vulnerabilities in the latest wma protection
01:54:11thegeek_the last one was cracked because of a vulnerability
01:54:13XavierGrpeople should stop buying srm music
01:54:16XavierGr^drm
01:54:21thegeek_but this latest one does seem quite secure
01:54:28thegeek_who the hell cares
01:54:40thegeek_I don't buy music with drm out of principle
01:54:47thegeek_not that I buy that much music anyway;p
01:54:55XavierGrthere is nothing secure. If it has a lock-up algorithm you can exploit it and find the opposite
01:54:59HClpeople who buy drm are idiots
01:55:06XavierGrthough that maybe very very difficult
01:55:14thegeek_well XavierGr
01:55:16thegeek_that is the point
01:55:19thegeek_without the license
01:55:23thegeek_you can't "crack" it
01:55:31thegeek_it's the basic principle of all encryption
01:55:41thegeek_it is trivial to play it with the license
01:55:51thegeek_without it you'll be facing some problems,)
01:56:19thegeek_you could bruteforce it
01:56:26thegeek_but that would not be practical
01:56:27ashridahthegeek_: see you in a few thousand years
01:56:31thegeek_hehe;)
01:56:32ashridahat least :)
01:56:33XavierGryeah but someone that has bought a piece can see how it works reproduce it and make an app that will do the job. Though this theoritical I think it can be done.
01:56:35thegeek_exactly
01:56:52thegeek_XavierGr: the license is ofcourse different for each album/song
01:57:03ashridahXavierGr: there is no 'opposite' to encryption.
01:57:04thegeek_and the license is just basically the key
01:57:08ashridahnot decent encryption anyway
01:57:24ashridahthe reverse method is only one of millions of combinations
01:57:26ashridahand you need the right one
01:57:42thegeek_I remember beeing _very_ impressed with the last wma decryption code
01:57:42ashridahrealistically, it'd be easier to figure out how to extract the key :)
01:57:42XavierGryeah but the algorithm of the encryption if found can make the mp3 audible
01:57:54thegeek_the encryption technique used is really quite nice
01:57:58ashridahXavierGr: no it can't.
01:58:27thegeek_not without the key
01:58:32ashridahjust knowing the algorithm gets you virtually no-where
01:58:36XavierGras long as a player opens the file and plays it I cant see why you cant with another app
01:58:39thegeek_dude
01:58:44thegeek_you need the key
01:58:46thegeek_to unlock it
01:58:54ashridahXavierGr: other apps can, IF they've got access to the key
01:58:58thegeek_mhm
01:59:01XavierGrand what if you know the algorithm to make the key?
01:59:01thegeek_without the key
01:59:04thegeek_nothing can open it
01:59:09ashridahXavierGr: that doesn't help you either.
01:59:12thegeek_there is no algo to make the key
01:59:19thegeek_it's "random"
01:59:26thegeek_as random as you can get
01:59:36thegeek_or
01:59:37thegeek_well
01:59:40thegeek_not really
01:59:44thegeek_but it's random enough
01:59:56ashridahXavierGr: the key generation involves selecting (at least, for earlier encryptions) the factorisation pair from a really REALLY huge number. and you need to know that exact pair, and that's an NP-hard problem to brute force
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02:00:23ashridahmake the key long enough, and we're talking something that's going to take you longer than there is life left in the universe
02:00:28XavierGrand why dont they make this kind of encryption to programs?
02:00:36ashridahXavierGr: they do
02:00:36thegeek_it's not the same
02:00:39thegeek_it's not
02:00:55thegeek_because
02:01:16thegeek_hmm
02:01:17thegeek_dang
02:01:22XavierGrwhat?
02:01:26ashridahssh, openssl, gpg and others all use variants of encryption that are virtually unbreakable, provided the key length is long enough.
02:01:28HClXavierGr: they're planning to do that in windows vista
02:01:31thegeek_armadillo gets close
02:01:34HClwww.againsttcpa.com
02:01:36HClread that site
02:01:59XavierGrso in some years you say that there will be no cracked programs?
02:02:07HClthats microsoft's intention, yes.
02:02:10HClread the site, it explains it all.
02:02:21HClwindows vista is supposed to have it. i'm not going to get the newer windows versions.
02:02:41HClthey can go beep theirselves.
02:02:51HClthe day they try to force me to buy their crap is the day i switch to linux
02:02:57***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:02:57thegeek_ok XavierGr
02:03:02thegeek_there are program that do it already
02:03:05thegeek_using dongle's
02:03:08thegeek_add-on hardware
02:03:16XavierGrI know about dongles
02:03:16ashridahHCl: poser. i switched years ago, without needing to be forced by ms :)
02:03:16thegeek_f.ex to plug into the parallell port
02:03:21thegeek_and if the cracked does not have the dongle
02:03:24thegeek_it is very hard to crack it
02:03:25thegeek_but.
02:03:29XavierGrbut I have heard that there are cracked versions of them too
02:03:34thegeek_exactly
02:03:37thegeek_the cracked has the dongle
02:03:40thegeek_so he decrypts the program
02:03:46thegeek_cracks it
02:03:48thegeek_and there you go
02:03:50thegeek_cracked program
02:04:00XavierGrso if you do the same for the drm?
02:04:03thegeek_dude
02:04:08thegeek_you still dont get it
02:04:10XavierGror it is song specific?
02:04:13thegeek_ofcourse you can
02:04:13thegeek_yes
02:04:18thegeek_or atleast album specific
02:04:21thegeek_I said that 10 mins ago
02:04:22XavierGrhmmm
02:05:29XavierGrso even theoritically (but without brute force methods) yoou say that drm universal drm cracking is impossible?
02:05:30thegeek_if the encryption algorithm has a flaw
02:05:33thegeek_that can be exploited
02:05:49thegeek_as long as the content is viewable it's crackable
02:05:49thegeek_I mean
02:06:02thegeek_you'd have to drm the viewers brain
02:06:06ashridahXavierGr: you realise, of course, that the only reason dvd decryption got cracked was that Xing accidentally left an unencrypted form of their decryption key inside their program, and someone extracted it
02:06:11thegeek_no
02:06:13thegeek_it's not
02:06:26thegeek_even without that key
02:06:30thegeek_it would have been cracked
02:06:39thegeek_css was weak
02:07:04ashridahthegeek_: sure, it was weak, but no-one sat there brute forcing it.
02:07:14thegeek_;)
02:08:35thegeek_it would surely have been cracked
02:08:51ashridahby now, probably.
02:09:02XavierGrhey That TCPA thing is the worst thing I have heard.
02:09:09thegeek_well
02:09:11thegeek_it's only 40bit
02:09:19thegeek_so even brute-force would not be that bad
02:09:27thegeek_a modern computer
02:09:31thegeek_can brute force it in 24 hours
02:09:38XavierGrWho the hell is gonna confront about having a security chip in your PC?
02:09:57thegeek_it will never ever ever work
02:12:02XavierGrexcuse me the article there says that they are planning on doing opensource programms illegal!!!! How that is explained by them? With what arguments are they going to support this!!!
02:12:38XavierGrThis is outrageous. I am freaking out...
02:12:44thegeek_chill out
02:12:46thegeek_once again
02:12:50thegeek_it will never work
02:12:59ashridahXavierGr: personally, i find those arguments unjustifiable, but conspiracy theorists love it
02:13:02thegeek_perhaps if microsoft did have a _complete_ monopoly
02:13:16thegeek_but with the current situtation
02:13:17thegeek_no way
02:13:41thegeek_any motherboard manufacturer would see that there is a market for non-tcpa motherboards
02:13:46BoD[]Dear user,
02:13:47BoD[]You are about to break the law trying to use a stolen key to Advanced Encode Decode Tools. In case you think that some kind of mistake may occur please contact our technical support center.
02:13:47BoD[]Your IP address is logged
02:13:52BoD[]:)
02:13:55thegeek_hehe
02:14:13thegeek_oh well
02:14:14thegeek_anyway
02:14:26thegeek_this does not really belong on #rockbox now does it?
02:14:32BoD[]nop
02:14:34thegeek_good night;)
02:14:43XavierGrgood night thegeek_
02:14:53BoD[]but rockbox -> mp3 -> music -> drm
02:14:58XavierGrlol
02:15:00BoD[]:)
02:17:10HClhrm.
02:17:23HClthat bug i just rescued out of my room drank quite a bit from my sake
02:17:28HClthats gonna be a drunk bug, heh o.o
02:17:33BoD[]! :)
02:17:52*HCl captured it with his empty sake glass and there was still a bit left
02:18:04HCland it like. stayed inside and refused to get out cause it was drinking, heh
02:18:16HClbugs are scary o.o
02:19:08ashridahwhat kind of bug?
02:20:33XavierGrprogram one maybe?
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02:26:37HClone of those night moth/butterfly things
02:26:43HClthey're big..
02:27:35ashridahah
02:28:01zeHCl: with the freaky copper-mirror eyes?
02:28:04HClum.
02:28:09HCli dunno
02:28:15HCli didn't look at it that close up
02:28:21HCli just captured it and put it outside
02:28:23zeyou don't need to look at it close
02:28:29HClprobably not, then
02:28:29zeits just when the light hits it right
02:28:37zethe eyes light up like copper
02:28:42HClhmk
02:28:53zegotta get it from the right angle
02:28:59zebut then you can see it from a pretty good distance
02:29:06zeits very distinct
02:29:54XavierGrhave to sleep and still have to eat that gyros we were saying before!
02:30:03XavierGrgood night all!
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04:58:58stevenmHello. Does anyone know what happened to midi2wav.c ?
04:59:21stevenmthere's a bug I want to fix, but cannot find the file!
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05:09:39ashridahwas it ever in CVS?
05:10:05ashridahmy guess is that someone ported it to the audio plugin architecture instead of it being a viewer
05:11:06stevenmashridah, I found it being moved to the attic... not seeing any port of it
05:11:19stevenmI guess it was just moved because all the other *2wav files were too
05:11:53stevenmI will write an actual CODEC of it, but right now there's another problem. Sim doesn't run- Floating Point Exception
05:11:59ashridahmost likely
05:13:26stevenmashridah, do you know what's up with the sim? I just built newest version, X11 sim, for Iriver 120/140. Start it, and get Floating Point Exception, no window, nothing
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05:24:41ashridahi don't use the simulator
05:24:48stevenmAnyone else getting this floating point exception on the sim?
05:25:08ashridahcheck the build status on www.rockbox.org ?
05:25:22stevenmashridah, I kind of have to... still haven't obtained a device. 2 months of work and still haven't seen a paycheck :)
05:26:21stevenmstatus seems fine
05:32:01stevenmjust erased everything, checked out, rebuilt, still happening
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05:36:46ashridahruns okay here
05:36:49ashridahgah
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06:35:39webguest67What percentage of competion do you think the h1x0 version is at?
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06:36:17ashridahheh. 90%. of course, it's the other 90% that takes the most time :)
06:36:32Leperkawn0.o
06:36:39LeperkawnWhat exactly does that mean?
06:36:39ashridahin reality, i doubt it'll ever be 'done', so to speak. there's still plenty to do
06:36:52ashridahLeperkawn: law of software engineering.
06:36:58LeperkawnYeah.
06:37:06LeperkawnBy 'done', I mean stable enough to use.
06:37:31ashridahwhen you've got 90% done, you've still got another 90% to go. (otherwise seen as, the final 10% takes 90% of the time)
06:37:51LeperkawnSo you're speaking proportionately (sp)
06:38:05LeperkawnTechnically you're saying you 1/2 way done overall. Right?
06:38:47ashridahwell, atm, the player's reasonably stable
06:38:47LeperkawnBut one could look at is as 90% done with that last 10% being out of proportion.
06:38:52ashridahbut there's still some major features missing
06:39:00LeperkawnYeah
06:39:02ashridahand playback isn't completely satisfactory.
06:39:19LeperkawnI'm just interested on that starting of the h2x0 version :)
06:39:26LeperkawnErm
06:39:30Leperkawnh3x0**
06:39:38ashridahproper remote support, recording, fm support, better seamless playback.
06:40:09ashridahwell, the H3x0 branch is mostly waiting on someone developing a bootloader, and getting an LCD driver running, then it's about the same as the H1x0 branch.
06:40:19ashridahthe problem is, the people with BDM's have been busy
06:40:33ashridahso working on the bootloader isn't progressing at the moment
06:40:51LeperkawnAh, I see.
06:41:06LeperkawnMy h3x0 is sad, because it has no playlist mode. It really sucks.
06:41:32ashridahit will get done eventually, but not without a BDM, since that's the only efficient and safe way to dissect the iriver firmware and insert rockbox bootloading code
06:41:53LeperkawnYeah.
06:42:02ashridahthe LCD's likely to require a lot of manual poking via a BDM too
06:42:30LeperkawnMan, It's so annoying. I am not skilled at all in C or C programming, and I want to help.
06:42:38LeperkawnC plus plus**
06:43:15LeperkawnYet there is nothing I can do to assist.
06:43:24ashridahwell, getting the bootloader working relies far more on having embedded development experience. that said, a reasonable amount of the work has already been done, so far as the iriver h3x0 range is concerned
06:43:47ashridahbut the iriver firmware itself needs to be analysed so that we can insert a rockbox bootloader into it
06:44:05LeperkawnCan you think of anything I can do besides sit on my ass and wait? =P
06:44:23ashridahbuy people with H3x0's and experiences BDM's? :)
06:45:02ashridah(the other problem is that they actually have far more H1x0's available to tinker with than 3x0's)
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06:45:28LeperkawnBleh
06:45:40LeperkawnI need to get unlazy and install chatzilla for FF.
06:45:48LeperkawnWhat was the last thing you said (since my last message)
06:45:53ashridahyick
06:46:25LeperkawnYick?
06:46:49ashridahnot a fan of chatzilla.
06:46:53LeperkawnHm
06:46:54LeperkawnWhat do you use?
06:46:55ashridahbeen a long time since i've worked with it, admittedly
06:47:08LeperkawnBut, what did you say prior to me signing off?
06:47:20LeperkawnBetween my last message and when i logged off, I missed what you said.
06:47:32ashridahLeperkawn Can you think of anything I can do besides sit on my ass and wait? =P
06:47:32ashridahashridah buy people with H3x0's and experiences BDM's? :)
06:47:32ashridahashridah (the other problem is that they actually have far more H1x0's available to tinker with than 3x0's)
06:48:02LeperkawnI see.
06:48:31LeperkawnSomeone told me on the forums that they did not need any more h3x0s.
06:48:58ashridahno, i imagine linus has a few by now
06:49:45LeperkawnThen there is truely nothing I can do besides testing the firmware when they release it. =(
06:51:53LeperkawnAh well. Complaining will get me nowhere =P
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12:00:14MO-PantsuHey guys. When I plug my charger into my H140 I get a loud humming sound.
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12:13:40ashridahfrom the unit? even if it's off?
12:13:43ashridahhow old is it?
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12:14:44MO-PantsuIf I plug the charger in supplied with the H140 I get hum from the headphone out
12:15:13MO-Pantsuunplug and back to pure silence. will try with it off hold on
12:15:40ashridahsounds like a ground loop someplace.
12:19:36MO-PantsuOK if I plug it in the headphones I get minor hum when the unit is on. If I plug the charger in I get LOUD hum. Also if I switch the unit off and unplug the charger the LOUD hum remains. If I plug into the line out I get no hum.
12:20:27MO-PantsuThis is using a pair of powered speakers
12:21:14MO-PantsuI want to use it on powered speakers at night with the PSU so I don't run the batterie down.
12:21:22MO-PantsuLine out should be fine
12:21:29bluebrother^hmm. Try turning the charger 180 degrees around in the AC socket
12:21:40MO-PantsuUK plug
12:21:47ashridahheh. can't do that here :)
12:21:54ashridahbut yeah, sounds like there's a ground loop or something
12:22:01bluebrother^ok, then forget it ;-)
12:22:10ashridahare the speakers and the charger on the same powerboard or whatever?
12:22:12bluebrother^in germany this helps sometimes.
12:22:14MO-PantsuI will have to test a bit more
12:22:28MO-Pantsuyeah I think so
12:22:36MO-Pantsuto ashridah
12:22:50MO-Pantsulets try something else..brb
12:28:21MO-PantsuOK what I get is a low hum from both the headphone and line out when on with the PSU. I get a loud hum from the headphone out if the unit is off which changes tone slightly as the unit is powered on but once booted goes baco to the low hum.
12:28:58MO-PantsuWhen the player is off with the PSU unplugged I get a hum too.
12:30:05MO-PantsuWhen the player is on and booted without the PSU I get total silence from headphone and line out (Apart from when playing something of course).
12:30:33MO-Pantsumaybe linus will know. I gotta go anyhow.
12:30:45MO-Pantsulater
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15:51:51arfo____hey, I found a strange behaviour of RB after playing a shuffled playlist for some hours:
15:51:51arfo____the controls need several seconds to react, changing the volume has no effect on the actual output and the volume dispaly (0-100) on status line is reactin really slow
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18:13:41MasterShadowanyone ger here?
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18:31:01bluebrother^MasterShadow: yes if you mean german ;-)
18:38:16Coldtoasthas the volume bug been fixed?
18:38:28Coldtoastdon't have access to my h140
18:40:34bluebrother^Coldtoast: no.
18:40:47bluebrother^tried this morning. Same behaviour :(
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19:51:12stevenmHello. Can someone possibly send me or upload the file 'rockboxui' for the iriver sim (X version please)? The one I build keeps crashing on me
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20:05:16stevenmANYONE who has a working X11 sim, what version of Glibc are you using?
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20:19:09stevenmThis is strange. Rockbox sim gives floating point exception on my laptop, but works fine on my desktop. Both are running Gentoo linux. It used to work everywhere
20:19:18stevenmAnyone know why this may be happening?
20:20:40godzirraok.. question for everyone. I'm writing a plugin to pull a random post from a category and display it somewhere on the page. Now I'm trying to decide whether I should grab the whole post (and assume people will use it like I am, on a category that only short posts, like a quotes category, or whether I should take the first X number of characters, or take the first X number of lines... Any suggestions?
20:20:50godzirraoh.. the guy that asked what it was left.
20:20:52godzirrablah.
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20:30:54lodesistevenm: i have the same pb on gentoo..
20:31:24lodesibut noidea how to solve it :(
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20:35:44stevenmlodesi, my desktop, though, is horribly out of date
20:36:17stevenmlodesi, and it WAS working on gentoo earlier.. so my guess it they updated something and screwed us over. I am about to upgrade my glibc, and see if that breals it
20:36:44lodesiyes,it used to work here as well
20:37:03lodesimy installation is up to date
20:37:39stevenmlet me just get the stupid thing to BUILD on desktop first.. then I ess with glibc. It is very frustrating, esp since the screen resolution on it is like 1024x768
20:38:42stevenmHey people, how do you start the sim WITHOUT sound support?
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20:43:07lodesithere is an ifdef at the begining of uisimulator/x11/sound.c, i'm trying without it
20:43:28stevenmthanks
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20:43:57stevenmthere, now that I got this thing actually running again (and it takes up most of my screen) I am gonna emerge glibc and hope for the worst
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20:44:12lodesilol
20:44:26stevenmall this trouble for a simple pitch bug
20:44:32lodesistill the same error :(
20:44:35stevenmdoes anyone here have matlab on hand?
20:46:56stevenmreally not looking foreward to calculating 1024 numbers by hand over here..
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21:00:09stevenmlodesi, looks like this glibc is amost built
21:00:40lodesithat was fast!
21:01:22stevenmlodesi, well, it is still building.. i thought it should have been done by now.. but have no idea. It's like, 15 megs
21:01:51stevenmand if i hear this song one more time, i think i will scream. pitch bend isn't supposed to be this annoying.
21:02:30stevenmI just moved it from 7 bits to 9 bits, hopefully it make it sound better. but of course, the table gets 4x bigger this way. and naturally, matlab isnt being helpful spitting all the values out
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21:03:41lodesimmh..forme it's like you're speaking chinese, i don't have any idea how playback/decoding works :)
21:05:48stevenmlodesi, well... 10 minutes til glibc
21:06:11lodesihehe
21:06:59stevenmand if its still works, then the floating point error must be caused by any of the other 10 thousand packages that need updating on here
21:07:24lodesilol
21:07:44lodesii'll check my logs to see what have been updated here
21:08:13stevenmyea, ever since I got my laptop, I pretty much stopped using the desktop. that did save my butt at work once, we needed some really outdated ebuilds
21:09:21lodesihu, gentoo at work is a dangerous thing ..
21:09:52lodesii have it on my laptop, and i can remember some bad week-end trying to recover a stable system...
21:10:08stevenmhaha, tell me about it
21:10:11lodesiafter a bad update :/
21:10:21stevenmone time, out of the blue, they add that STUPID gentoo wireless config stuff
21:11:10stevenmnew baselayout, i believe it was. since then, it will not start any wireless interface unless you read through their 100 page config file and figure out how to tell it to let you configure wifi MANUALLY using iwconfig
21:11:26lodesilol
21:11:46stevenmor use the real config. again, desktop to the rescue- got the outdated version of net.eth0, and that saved the day
21:12:52lodesispeaking of the baselayout, it did change since my rockboxui doesn't works :(
21:13:30stevenmyea
21:13:35stevenma lot of things did probably
21:14:01stevenmi did a quick strace, didnt see anything unusual... glibc, pthreads, etc
21:14:08stevenmi figure i start with glibc and friends
21:14:28lodesiyep a 'break main' in gdb doesn't catch anything...
21:14:31stevenmthen maybe emerge world, and check if it still works, every 5 packages or so
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21:15:13stevenmmaybe a specific call inside rockboxui causes this.. maybe shove some debug printfs in it (and catch the sigfpe)
21:15:57stevenmmy roommate had some stuff give him the same floating point exceptions.. apparently it was nothing to do with math, but a bad combination of lib versions
21:17:16stevenmokay, it built
21:18:55lodesia printf dosn't do anything :(
21:19:16stevenmlodesi, you probably need to catch the sigfpe
21:19:19stevenmbut it doesn't matter
21:19:33stevenmi upgraded to glibc 2.3.5, and it worked still
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21:19:38stevenmthen i recompiled rockboxui
21:19:39stevenmand ran it again
21:19:46stevenmand there it is- floating point exception
21:20:04lodesiarghh!
21:20:11stevenmlodesi, so there you have it- glibc 2.3.5 causes this
21:21:03stevenmhere's a crazy idea- leave a copy of 2.3.4 inside the rockboxui directory (or give an LD_LIBRARY_PATH) and then emerge 2.3.5 for the rest of the system
21:21:03lodesiwell, thx for the solution
21:21:15stevenmnp
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21:23:25lodesii think i'll try another crazy idea and emerge the masked latest version of glibc,with the hope it solve the rockbox problem, and doesn't break my system
21:23:43stevenmyea, that last part is kind of important
21:23:59stevenmI'd quickpkg the current working version first if I were you
21:24:27lodesiheu..quickwhat?
21:25:28stevenmlodesi, quickpkg. it takes that package's files and tars em up
21:25:31lodesiif it screws up, i boot with a knoppix and downgrade in a chroot
21:25:37stevenmthat works
21:25:57stevenmbe careful, glibc is a dangerous thing, esp with all the crap gentoo does to it
21:26:18lodesilol
21:27:55stevenmoh no! the LATEST latest glibc ebuilds require GCC 3.4
21:28:13stevenm"oops..."
21:29:37stevenmthere's also a glibc-compat20 use flag
21:29:48stevenmif that means anything here
21:30:41lodesiglibc-compat20 - Enable the glibc-compat addon and configure the linuxthreads libc with −−without-__thread to enable full support of old binaries
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21:30:55lodesibad idea
21:31:20stevenmbad idea?
21:31:42lodesino thread in libc, isn't that a bad idea?
21:32:11stevenmi've no idea..
21:32:20lodesilol
21:32:31stevenmwhat I want to know, why won't rockboxui work with glibc 2.3.5 in the first place
21:34:04lodesithose thing really too far from my knowledge
21:34:14lodesii'm better at breaking my system
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21:34:30lodesiso emerge -u glibc ;)
21:34:35ShadowMasterah bluebrother, buste da?
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21:40:36stevenmShadowMaster, da
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21:42:33bluebrother^ShadowMaster: yes ;-)
21:43:18stevenmlodesi, what is the file which contains main() for rockboxui ?
21:43:41lodesiuisimulator/x11/screenhack.c
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21:48:02stevenmlodesi, strange, I put a printf in there followed by an exit
21:48:06stevenmstill crashes
21:48:14stevenmseems like it dies before even starting main
21:48:47lodesiyep, it could some xorg initialisation crashing
21:49:29matslare you talking about the floating point exception?
21:50:20lodesiyes, floating point or arithmetic excetion
21:50:28lodesiexception
21:50:52matsli get it before main after loading all libs
21:50:59matsltry strace
21:51:30lodesii'm gonna have to emerge it first:)
21:51:35stevenmmatsl, it works fine if you have glibc 2.3.4. It dies if you go to glibc 2.3.5
21:51:49matslok.
21:53:01matslstevenm: you also on gentoo?
21:53:30stevenmmatsl, yes
21:53:54stevenmmatsl, it was all working fine a few months ago. then glibc 2.3.5 came upon us
21:54:19stevenmmatsl, and I just upgraded to glibc 2.3.5 on my other gentoo system and now it does the same floating point error also
21:54:52matslok. but is it glibc 2.3.5 just on gentoo or everywhere?
21:55:04stevenmmatsl, I only have gentoo, so I do not know
21:55:21lodesii'm also on gentoo
21:56:57stevenmgo figure
21:57:06stevenmof course #gentoo is silent
21:58:21matslI just can't think we spotted a glibc problem here. So many other programs working fine ... !?
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21:58:51webguest66hi
21:58:55ShadowMasterhi
21:59:05webguest66i found a strange thing with the fwpatcher.exe
21:59:06ShadowMasterbluebrother immernoch da? oder stevenm? xD
21:59:17bluebrother^ja
21:59:25ShadowMaster:D
21:59:42ShadowMasterKann man bei rockbox ne liste machen wie bei 1.65 nach Artist und Album etc?
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22:00:23webguest66when i first start it up and go to browse, select my fw file, if i dont click patch and click browse again it comes up with an error message 2-3 times in a row and then all i can do is click on the x in top right to close it as it wont accept any other input
22:01:56ShadowMasterhm noch da?
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22:02:01stevenmmatsl, right, other stuff works, but why the heck wont the uisim work?
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22:02:56bluebrother^hmm, dazu brauchst du die Tag-Database
22:03:17webguest09why dont you guys speak english, that way we can all benefit
22:03:21***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:03:38bluebrother^webguest09: afaik ShadowMaster doesn't speak enough english
22:03:48bluebrother^should I give a small translation?
22:04:10stevenmlodesi, well, glibc-2.3.5-r1 is almost built.
22:04:20webguest09lots of non english users try to speak english here
22:04:36bluebrother^I know ...
22:04:45webguest09because not everyone is english
22:05:42Moosuse the private message :)
22:06:21bluebrother^I'll try ;-) Is the webclient capable of doing so?
22:06:48Moosof course
22:07:28bluebrother^ok. I hope I didn't offend someone.
22:07:43Moosdon't worries
22:07:48webguest09nope, its just that i learn from discussions
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22:07:56bluebrother^;-)
22:08:11Bgerstevenm: about UIsimulator
22:08:31Bgeraustriancoder had the same floating point exception 2-3 days ago
22:08:50stevenmBger, yea, it won't run on glibc 2.3.5 (on gentoo anyway). 2.3.4 works fine
22:08:52Bgerso i guess it's not of your build environment
22:09:06Bgerheh
22:09:08Bgerok
22:09:27stevenmBger, you figure if I compile glibc 2.3.4 and then do some LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff, it will run?
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22:09:48Bgerno, i don't
22:09:57Bgerdidn't know about this glibc thing
22:10:28stevenmWell I did a look at it quickly, and I tried my binary on a different computer and it ran fine
22:10:49stevenmI suspected glibc because my friend had some issues with it, also involving the same error
22:10:54Bgerok, i guess you're right
22:11:09Bgerjust tried to be helpful
22:11:13stevenmso I went to a machine with 2.3.4 on it and it worked. Then I installed glibc 2.3.5 on that computer, and it started dying
22:11:22stevenmBger, thanks, i appreciate that
22:11:32Bgerheh, not a big thing
22:11:39Bgeranyway, bye ;)
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22:12:01lodesi==29208== Process terminating with default action of signal 8 (SIGFPE)
22:12:01lodesi==29208== Integer divide by zero at address 0xB00FC89C
22:12:01lodesi==29208== at 0x1B8EC954: (within /lib/ld-2.3.5.so)
22:12:13lodesiwith valgrind...
22:12:54lodesithen the stack is corrupted and it jumps to a random memory adress
22:14:11stevenmlodesi, woah!! seems to be working with glibc-2.3.5-r1
22:14:36stevenmlodesi, I emerged glibc-2.3.5-r1 on my desktop and it looks like it is working
22:14:43lodesimine will finish soon,i'll see
22:16:26stevenmlodesi, emerging it on my laptop, we'll see what happens
22:16:54stevenmin the meantime, i'm gonna go swim some laps. i be back in like, 20-30 min, it should be done then
22:17:16lodesiok, see you
22:17:57stevenmbye
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22:40:44lodesiyes!!!
22:41:23ShadowMasterah okay
22:41:24lodesiit's ok with glibc2.3.5-r1 as well here :)
22:41:30ShadowMasterI also try to speak english here
22:41:39Bagderyou fixed the gentoo sim problemo?
22:42:07lodesiBagder: yes it's o, now
22:42:11ShadowMasterwhat I wanted to know was how can I create a DB like that one from the 1.65 fw like artist-song-album
22:42:14lodesiok
22:42:36Bagderso upgrading glibc is the thing to do?
22:42:46BagderShadowMaster: you read the wiki page?
22:43:17lodesiBagder: yes, but you need t ounmask the latest version first
22:43:29Bagderok
22:43:33ShadowMasterNo I didnt
22:43:36ShadowMasterwhat wiki page?
22:43:45Bagderlodesi: I know several people got that problem
22:43:55bluebrother^that page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase
22:44:09bluebrother^I tried it before and it works pretty nice.
22:44:29ShadowMasterwow thx
22:44:31ShadowMasterokay ill also try it
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22:52:39ShadowMasterI have some troubles with the download from Java2
22:53:11ShadowMaster:(
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23:03:00stevenmBagder, upgraded my second machine to glibc-2.3.5-r1 and it works here as well
23:03:13Bagdergoodie
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23:04:22stevenmI been out of the loop for a bit.. is it possible to play sound from a plugin? or does it have to be a codec?
23:05:31BagderI think the metronome plugin works fine
23:05:35Bagderit plays sound
23:07:04stevenmAh, all right
23:07:31stevenmI want to add *actual* sound support to my plugin, instead of just outputting a wav file
23:07:31BagderI saw someone making a "drum machine" plugin too
23:07:51Bagderoh
23:08:02BagderI guess the sound playing API still lacks
23:08:04stevenmBagder, really? There is a whole bank of drum sounds within the midi soundset
23:08:32stevenmand the gus patchloader is in cvs already, so that can be useful
23:08:35stevenmhmm
23:09:34stevenmBy the way, i think the new burger king (taco bell?) commercial, with the band and box of wings, they actually say 'rockbox'
23:10:05Bagder:-)
23:10:28stevenmi wasn't even paying attention, then heard 'rockbox' and was like, 'hmm? eh?'
23:12:04Bagderso how come they say that? I mean what's the context?
23:15:22stevenmI think it was a box of food and there was a band playing rock music, supposedly due to the food
23:15:40stevenmadvertising is a very bizzare thing
23:15:52Bagderhehe, yeah
23:16:45stevenmthe extra rockbox logo at the bottom of the sim, is that the remote LCD?
23:16:51Bagderyeps
23:17:11Bagderif you enable logf logging, you'll get that in the remote lcd
23:17:38Bagderotherwise it isn't use much yet
23:17:41stevenmfor some reason now, if you minimize the sim and restore it, the main screen isn't redrawn. the remote lcd part is, though
23:17:49Bagderoh
23:18:00Bagderodd
23:20:24stevenmthere, finally, better pitchbend
23:20:38stevenmmakes bad cheezy music from the 80s sound better
23:20:43stevenm(if that is even possible)
23:22:35*stevenm wonders if austriancoder uses gentoo
23:22:42Bagderhe does
23:23:00stevenmwell then there's his problem. saw his issue in the logs
23:23:10Bagderyes, matsl got it too, also using gentoo
23:23:44stevenmwow
23:23:53stevenmsomehow though, i am not surprised
23:24:19stevenmgentoo developers have done much stranger things, causing much more breakage
23:24:28stevenmlike breaking all the nodes on our farm at work
23:24:51Bagderhehe
23:25:01stevenmwe were like, "oh, no problem, we'll just downgrade", but wait! the old ebuilds have been removed. oooops..
23:25:39Bagderthat sounds painful
23:26:02stevenmoh yes. we were saved by the fact that my other machine was so outdated that it had the old ebuild on it
23:26:12stevenmelse we probably would have gotten canned
23:26:16crashdi guess kdevelop needs kde libs ;P
23:26:25stevenmor probably just really yelled at
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23:58:19matslstevenm: did i get you right in that upgrading glibc to testing fixed the problem?

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