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#rockbox log for 2005-08-24

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00:41:49stripwax_hey
00:42:14stripwax_so, I asked on here a couple of days ago if rockbox would get confused if rockbox.tagdb was generated from a different filesystem than actually on my iriver.
00:42:51stripwax_turns out it gets hella confused if I select a track which is in the tagdb (i.e. on the filesystem on which the tagdb was generated) which is actually not on my iriver ... rockbox just totally hangs. I needed to reset
00:47:05stripwax_oh, and songdb.pl took about six hours to run @ 133Mhz, which is kinda uncool
00:47:51ashridahsix hours!
00:47:52ashridahwhoa
00:48:00ashridahdoes that machine have DMA hd access?
00:48:22stripwax_that machine has an external USB2 hdd
00:49:29stripwax_but USB2 isn't actually so slow, so I'd guess the bottleneck is maybe the CRC calc in perl
00:52:11stripwax_any ideas why browsing my tagdb causes rockbox to hang? sorta sucky.
00:53:50amiconnBrowsing shouldn't hang it
00:53:59stripwax_Woah. Also, any way to make the fileviewer show tracks in file number order when browsing artist -> album -> tracks?
00:54:07amiconn...regadless of what weird path is stored in the db
00:54:10stripwax_yeah - shouldn't hang it.. but seems to.
00:54:27amiconnFile number order???
00:54:32stripwax_Hrm, can't reproduce it though
00:54:37stripwax_amiconn - er,, track number order, i mean
00:54:50amiconnHmm, I don't know...
00:56:39stripwax_Maybe the hang while browsing was a one off. I can't even reproduce hang-while-selecting-a-track-that-isn't-in-the-filesystem right now either. weird
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00:57:13*amiconn is confused atm
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00:57:34*stripwax_ is too.. :-(
00:57:55amiconnWhy there is both a 'Folder' and a 'Directory' icon in icons.c, which different images? The latters seems to be unused...
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01:13:19stripwax_weird - you're not wrong -
01:14:12amiconnFound a total of 7 unused icons...
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01:17:48wreckerWIKI HELP!!!! Hi people. I've done some major updating ot the WikiManual today. This is the first time I've ever updated a Wiki page, so please forgive me if I did anything wrong. Despite my best efforts, the fonts for the TOC levels seem to have gone a bit wrong for me, and some TOC (Headings) level 3 and 4 items seem to have swapped for some reason. If anyone can explain to me why, I'd love to know!!! As an example, check out the fonts showing for
01:19:24wreckerI may not be on IRC for long, so if anyone can look into it and explain what has happened, my Wiki name is EdSolman and my email is eddiesolman@hotmail.com. Thx
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01:28:58wreckerOK. Got to go, hopefully someone will be able to help me work out what I did wrong. Everything looks OK in the Table of Contents, but the fonts just display incorrectly on the page. Email me on the address above. Thanks in advance, Ed.
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02:34:27FingerSoupHey all - I'm interested in learning how to code with rockbox... I thought that building a plugin would be a good place to start. I am an iRiver user... I have a couple questions...
02:35:49FingerSoupfirst - with the development environment - I'm at this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment and I am wondering what do I need to do that is different from the instructions (ie: how to build a crosscompiler)
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06:46:30LinusNGAAAAH! the h300 bdm port connector isn't pin-compatible with the h100! :-(
06:53:34LinusNoh, wait
06:53:55LinusNlol, the silk screen on the h300 pcb was wrong
06:56:33LinusNit is compatible
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07:22:55B4gdertalking to yourself LinusN? ;-)
07:23:04LinusNyup :-)
07:23:59Bgermorning :)
07:24:25*B4gder started his morning by setting off the burglar alarm at his customer's place
07:24:32*Paul_The_Nerd mutters.
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07:24:45B4gderwhat a grand way to start!
07:24:49Paul_The_NerdEvery few day when I click a log it opens the .txt in notepad rather than in-browser.
07:25:09Paul_The_NerdSome days I just feel like any technology apptitude I thought I had went away.
07:25:24Paul_The_NerdDid they not warn you about it B4gder, or was it like... supposed to be disabled or something?
07:25:43B4gderit was supposed to be either locked or disabled
07:25:56B4gderit was neither, I just walked in and triggered it ;-)
07:26:32Paul_The_NerdIndeed a grand way to start.
07:26:38amiconnmorning
07:28:25LinusNPaul_The_Nerd: the open-in-text-editor happens because the irc log contains ascii control characters
07:28:33Paul_The_NerdAaah
07:28:41B4gderstupid browsers
07:28:47LinusNB4gder: nah
07:28:54B4gderor trying-to-be-clever actually
07:28:55Paul_The_NerdIs there any way around that, or should I just get a better text editor for when it does?
07:29:08*Paul_The_Nerd hasn't bothered replacing notepad on his laptop *yet*
07:29:12LinusNwe should:
07:29:36LinusN1) ban all idiots with stupid quit messages containing control chars
07:29:41LinusN2) filter the logs
07:29:51Paul_The_NerdHeh
07:29:58LinusN00.07.37 Quit [-AIR-] ("$(OI-(Bn-v-i-s-i-o-n$(O (B2.0 Build 3515")
07:30:23amiconnLinusN: Any result on your attempt to reduce bookmark code size? Any news on other items on the release todo?
07:30:29Paul_The_NerdI've been reading the logs daily now, scanning between my Quits and my Joins. Except days where I have to use notepad because it doesn't do endlines well.
07:30:36LinusNamiconn: no news at all, been busy
07:31:56amiconnWith bdm? ;)
07:32:43amiconnI started going through apps code yesterday, already regained a bit of space :)
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07:46:51rooomish2amiconn: my Archos is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Many thanks for help.
07:47:01B4gderwow
07:47:07B4gdercongrats rooomish
07:47:33rooomish2b4gder: thanks too :-)
07:48:04amiconnrooomish2: Nice :)
07:48:38rooomish2:-))
07:48:57LinusNrooomish2: congrats!
07:51:45B4gderwhoa, intel announces 1.2GHz Xscale
07:52:31rooomish2LinusN: :-)
07:58:57*t0mas has to go
07:59:02t0masc u all friday again :)
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08:25:07LinusNcan the original archos firmware do mp3 file splitting?
08:25:56B4gderI don't think so
08:26:07LinusNhttp://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=27650
08:26:56B4gder"insert artificial breaks into MP3s" ?
08:28:09B4gderI never used the original firmware much
08:28:15B4gderand when I did, it was early 2002
08:28:24LinusNi'm trying it now, for the first time in years
08:28:28B4gderand I certainly never recorded with it
08:28:28LinusNyuck
08:28:38Bgerwow :)))))
08:29:03Bgerthis must be noted somewhere :)
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08:44:56amiconnOuch! WHile optimising the keyboard code, I found a potential overflow problem:
08:55:16Bgeramiconn?
08:55:18RickIsn't that a good thing?
08:55:25BgerRick: hahaha
08:56:09Rickwhat?
08:56:22Paul_The_NerdI think he meant "isn't finding it a good thing"
08:56:30Bgerahaa:)
08:57:03Bgermaybe, but it sounded like "isn't the buffer overflow a good thing?"
08:58:35Bgeramiconn: where is the problem ?
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09:03:31amiconnBger: The problem was that the calculation whether it is allowed to add another character didn't take the trailing zero byte into account. It's fixed in my commit
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09:05:31Bger1 byte overflow:)
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09:18:32B4gderbeen very quiet on the x5 austriancoder front recently
09:18:41LinusNyeah
09:19:39CoCoLUSwell, considering the fact that the western half of austria is currently drowning in water...
09:19:55CoCoLUSmaybe he got caught in that
09:20:17CoCoLUShttp://www.kurier.at/mmedia/24.08.2005/1124863402_3.jpg :/
09:21:17*Bger has seen such views recently in bulgaria... hopefully, only on the TV
09:22:29CoCoLUSi'm living in the eastern part of austria, luckily
09:22:57CoCoLUSbut we had similar floods...
09:23:12Bgerthis summer is not at all summer ...
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09:39:32*LinusN flags a "second system" warning for the multiple font support
09:40:39BgerLinusN: i.e. ?
09:40:52LinusNUNIX philosophy
09:41:20LinusNthe Second System is the version that tries to solve all possible needs and becomes a huge bloated mess
09:41:31LinusNlike X11
09:41:54B4gderwe haven't managed to add mail reading yet ;-)
09:42:03LinusN:-)
09:42:13Bgeris anyone working on this (multi. font supp.)?
09:42:29B4gderwe're still throwing around ideas on the list
09:42:32CoCoLUSport pine
09:42:37CoCoLUSthen you have mail reading :)
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09:46:30LinusNhmmm, maybe we should adapt the windows installer so it can install iriver too=
09:46:32LinusN?
09:46:47B4gderthat would be useful
09:46:56CoCoLUSthus, not wanted :P
09:47:06LinusNi'm an innosetup cluebie though
09:47:08BgerLinusN did you reject the idea of rockbox.iriver being in the .rockbox dir ?
09:47:38LinusNno
09:47:47B4gderLinusN: yeah, we might need Cassandra magic for that
09:48:50Bgerhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualPlugins#Games <= iirc there was a table somewhere in the wiki with checkmarks
09:49:15LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
09:49:16Bgeryep, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
09:49:42LinusNthat table is soo wrong for the iriver
09:50:45LinusNmaybe we should remove Iriverify
09:50:56LinusNno need for it nowadays
09:51:21Bgernot if you have .wmas ...
09:51:28LinusNah, yes
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10:06:53B4gderdoesn't iriverify work on the Archos models?
10:07:24B4gderI see no ifdefs preventing that
10:07:27LinusNit should, but that would be quite unnecessary
10:07:57LinusNno need to build it for the archos imho
10:08:20B4gderright, it isn't
10:08:27B4gder#if CONFIG_HWCODEC == MASNONE
10:08:41B4gderwhatever it has to do with the codecs ;-)
10:08:42LinusNvery weird ifdef
10:09:29LinusNwell, we constantly frown upon model checks, so i don't blame him
10:09:52B4gderthis is a case where a model check seems the most appropriate
10:09:58LinusNyup
10:23:47BgerLinusN: one more idea about exception handling: what about making it to power off the unit after certain time (like 3-5 mins) ?
10:24:21LinusNBger: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo
10:24:38LinusN" We should try to disable the hard drive when panic()ing, so the batteries aren't drained. Perhaps a timeout and a shutdown?"
10:24:49Bgerok, sorry
10:25:05Bgeri was reading the mail archive
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10:50:57amiconnLinusN: I vote for changing CONFIG_HWCODEC into CONFIG_CODEC and MASNONE into SWCODEC
10:51:17LinusNamiconn: gets my vote too
10:51:28amiconn...and iriverify is one (rare) case where I would vote to check for model
10:51:36LinusNamiconn: gets my vote too
10:52:00*B4gder raises hand in favour
10:52:46amiconnI also had an idea for the number talking problem
10:53:06amiconn...which kinda requires localisation v2 ;)
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10:56:04LinusNaha, "ein und zwanzig"
10:56:19amiconnyup
10:56:36amiconnI'm fairly sure other languages need that too
10:56:55B4gderyes, danish comes to mind
10:57:18B4gderisn't french weird too?
10:57:56LinusNjust as weird as danish
10:58:11B4gdernot really designed for machines ;-)
10:58:18LinusN:-)
10:58:21B4gderbastards!
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11:21:58LinusNantonius hellman pointed out a problem with the status bar redrawing
11:22:20LinusNi had a hard time figuring out why his fix worked
11:22:51LinusNstatus_draw() refreshed the status bar for every call
11:24:22linuxstbMorning all. Thought I would mention that I've started work on a Sudoku plugin, if anyone's interested.
11:24:51*LinusN googles for "sodoku"
11:25:07LinusNaha
11:25:08Bgerlinuxstb: is this the game that u must have all numbers from 1 to 9 in all rows/columns ?
11:25:40LinusNhttp://kjell.haxx.se/sudoku/
11:25:51linuxstbYep. Plus in the 3x3 sub-grids.
11:26:24LinusNthat is a sodoku solver
11:26:29Bgerwhat coincidence... i read about it 2 days ago :)
11:26:49amiconnImho the playstatus wps patch is implemented in a rather sub-optimal fashion
11:27:04LinusNhow should it be solved?
11:27:04Bgeramiconn: bugfix it :)
11:27:17amiconnIt delivers a fixed character per mode, however, it would be better if it would act like a condition
11:27:36LinusNlike a switch?
11:28:04amiconnWe don't have a swicth syntax atm, but it could work like an if()
11:28:37amiconnThis way one could use any desired character per mode, even a conditional image as soon as that is supported
11:30:19LinusNiiuc you can use the "if" construct on those tags
11:30:36LinusNwould be a nasty nested one, but it should work
11:35:19amiconnHow?
11:35:58amiconnIf I look at wps-display.c, lines 590ff, it look like these tags return a specific letter if the mode is active, and nothing if it isn't
11:36:35amiconnHmm, maybe you're right...
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11:38:19LinusNthe key is the nothing
11:38:48LinusNthe letter returned is irrelevant
11:45:15CoCoLUS<fn~Bger> what coincidence... i read about it 2 days ago :)
11:45:22CoCoLUSno wonders, it seems to be all the rage nowadays :)
11:45:37Bger:)
11:47:25linuxstbFor Sudoku, I need to display the 9x9 grid of numbers on the screen. Any suggestions for dealing with the different LCD sizes of the various targets?
11:48:04LinusNyes, calculate the placement using LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT
11:48:08BgerLCD_WIDTH
11:48:18linuxstbBut what about the font size for the numbers?
11:48:26LinusNand maybe even decide if the font fits
11:48:54LinusNif the user selected font fits, you should use it, else use the internal font
11:50:21linuxstbOK. I'll draw the grid based on LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT, calculate the cell size, and then find a font.
11:50:38linuxstbWhen you say "internal font", do you mean FONT_SYSFIXED?
11:50:46LinusNyes
11:51:07linuxstbHow do I get the user's font? Is that by not selecting any font at all?
11:51:15LinusNFONT_UI
11:52:10LinusNyou will have problems on the archos
11:52:26linuxstbI'll need a font about 5 pixels high.
11:52:33LinusNyes
11:53:01linuxstbMinesweeper defines some bitmaps which I could use - they are 5 pixel high numerals.
11:53:06LinusNmaybe you should have 0-9 as bitmaps
11:53:12LinusNon all targets
11:53:26LinusNwith different sizes
11:53:32linuxstbThat's what I was thinking, and optimise the size for each LCD size.
11:53:39LinusNyeah
11:53:59linuxstbSo I would ignore the fonts completely?
11:54:07LinusNdo that
11:54:27LinusNhow do you plan to do the input?
11:55:12LinusNi suggest cursor movement with joystick, and joy push to cycle the number on the selected square
11:55:27LinusNand it only cycles between the unused numbers
11:55:32linuxstbI've done that already. On the iriver, you move a cursor using the joystick, press it to toggle between "navigate" and "insert" mode, and then move it left/right in insert mode to select the number.
11:55:49linuxstbI think I've done what you suggest.
11:56:01LinusNalmost
11:56:09linuxstbBut at the moment I cycle through all the numbers. I'm not sure how much help I want the computer to give the user.
11:56:32linuxstbSorry, it is slightly different.
11:56:32LinusNit should have a solver imho :-)
11:56:54LinusNonly using unused numbers isn't too much help imho
11:57:39linuxstbA similar problem to solving is actually generating the games in the first place.
11:57:49LinusNyes
11:58:09Bgerlinuxstb: i suggest up/down for cycling through the numbers
11:58:22LinusNBger: agreed
11:58:37linuxstbI thnk I'll have some pre-generated games, the option to start with a blank grid (to copy a newspaper puzzle for example), and a randomly generated game.
11:58:50linuxstbWhy up/down and not left/right?
11:58:50LinusNand a solver :-)
11:58:59LinusNbecause it's more intuitive
11:59:02Bgeryep
11:59:09LinusNup to raise, down to lower
11:59:28Bgeras usually, LinusN outstripped me ...
11:59:33linuxstbWell, both could work. - I find an X-axis just as intuitive as a Y-axis.
11:59:56LinusNin fact, i think i would like my input method better
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12:00:18LinusNbecause you will always try to move the cursor while in input mode
12:00:49LinusNless annoying
12:01:03linuxstbLinusN: I'll try your method and see how it feels. But I've already implemented my method, and I like it.
12:01:07Bgerhm, i prefer the linuxstb's variant
12:01:11LinusNbut my method will of course involve major joystick clicking :-)
12:01:22linuxstbI feel a config option coming up already...
12:01:28LinusNhehe
12:01:29Bgerhahaha :)
12:01:58BgerLinusN: exactly, major joystick clicking ...
12:02:04linuxstbGotta go - no more Euros.
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12:02:09Bgerand if you put wrong number, you can't revert easily...
12:02:18LinusNexactly
12:02:49LinusNas long as it is perfectly clear which mode you're in...
12:03:17Bgerwith 2bit color it's not so hard :)
12:03:28Bgerok, 2bit gray
12:03:55LinusNthere are probably several ways of doing it
12:04:04LinusNlike a big icon ono the side
12:04:09LinusNor something
12:04:32Bgermore complicated ones are blinking when in one of the modes
12:04:43LinusNsure
12:04:43Bgeror something similar
12:05:38Bgerideas for other games like this one ?
12:06:30LinusNhttp://amiga.emucamp.com/thromulus.htm
12:07:16LinusNthat's a game i'd like
12:07:39Bgerdescription ?
12:07:46Bgeri don't have amiga :)
12:08:04Bgermaybe in the .zip
12:08:05LinusNuse an emulatore
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12:10:32Bgerfor example ?
12:10:52LinusNwinuae
12:11:13Bger10x
12:15:15Bgerwhat ROM ?
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12:17:34preglowroflol
12:18:59Bgeralready in a more internet-ish land
12:19:00Bger?
12:19:29preglowyes, idneed
12:19:44Bgergreets :)
12:19:58preglowlocated in oslo now
12:20:14preglowsomeone, please tell me what part of my computer that emits a high-pitched whine
12:20:19preglowaraound 8khz
12:20:43Bgerharddisk ? :)
12:20:51preglowheh
12:20:51preglowthink not
12:20:58preglowi'm hoping its not the psu
12:21:00preglowbut it usually is
12:21:46Bgerseriously, i had one IBM, which didn't had one of its gaskets ..and it made very annoying sound
12:22:09Bgerrubber gaskets...
12:22:28Bgerbut the PSU is a good guess
12:22:41ReKleSSa fan somewhere?
12:23:20Bger8kHz ... i don't think it's a fan
12:30:08preglownah, the fan in this psu is large, and rotates pretty slowly
12:33:38*B4gder mutters
12:34:16B4gderdebian dist-upgrade upgraded my valgrind and now my valgrind-using scripts die ;-/
12:34:32ReKleSSlol
12:34:51ReKleSSI've tried using valgrind a few times... usually takes too much time to do all the suppression stuff
12:34:54B4gderthey removed a command line option I use
12:35:16B4gdermy script runs tests and scans valgrind reports on its own
12:35:26B4gderrather sweet actually, when it works
12:35:40ReKleSSah
12:35:47ReKleSSbtw, you using valgrind 3.0 now?
12:36:00B4gderyes
12:36:06B4gder−−logfile has turned into −−log-file
12:36:08B4gder;-O
12:36:22ReKleSSheh
12:36:28ReKleSSis it just me or is addrcheck missing?
12:36:57LinusNmissing?
12:37:00B4gderman page mentions it
12:37:13ReKleSSyeah
12:37:19ReKleSSbut it seems to be missing from the list of tools
12:38:00LinusNpreglow: 8khz?
12:38:07B4gderReKleSS: ah, yes, here too
12:38:11LinusNand not 7.2khz?
12:38:21Bger7200 ? :)
12:38:55ReKleSSbah
12:40:16preglowLinusN: might be, i'm not a very accurate spectrum analyzer ;)
12:40:39LinusN7200 rpm hard disk perhaps?
12:41:20preglowahh, no, it's too erratic
12:41:34FebsPlus, isn't kHz cycles per second, not minute?
12:41:37preglowit starts and stops all the time
12:41:46preglowkhz is thousand cycles per second
12:42:13Bgertry locating the sound with ear
12:43:06*LinusN is stupid
12:44:04ReKleSSanyone want to calculate the rotational velocity of a platter at 120r/s? :p
12:44:04preglowi'm pretty certain this is a psu component
12:44:06ReKleSSerrr
12:44:08ReKleSS7200/s
12:45:23preglowit's not easy to hear where it comes from
12:46:57ReKleSS...speakers?
12:48:22preglowheh, no, pc
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13:11:03amiconnpreglow: My guess would be some switching converter; either psu or on the mobo
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13:11:53preglowamiconn: that's exactly my guess too
13:12:15solexWhat exactly is displayed by "View Runtime" in the debug menu?
13:12:21preglowBUT, the fact that the sound didn't use to be there still remains
13:12:23preglowhmm
13:12:24amiconnMy laptop also does this, and I even know which converter it is - the one for the display backlight
13:12:45preglowi thought the switching frequency should be higher than we can hear
13:13:59amiconnReKleSS: I suggest calculating the centrifugal acceleration at the outer edge of the platters. Gives pretty astonishing results...
13:15:13preglowand this was a bloody expensive psu as well, with a low dba rating
13:15:52B4gderzagor bought a fanless PSU
13:15:55B4gderquite a beast
13:16:15preglowoh yes
13:16:39preglowthere's a fan in this one, it's just very large, but hell, that doesn't matter much if the switching frequency is audble
13:16:42preglowaudible
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13:41:08linuxstbIs there an easy way to test for a long joystick press on the iriver?
13:41:28Bgerbutton repeat ?
13:42:07linuxstbNo, a single long press - like the one that brings up the context menu in the file browser
13:42:23Bgerafaik this is the way
13:42:30LinusNthat's the way
13:42:55Bgersee tree.c (or i'm wrong)
13:42:57LinusNBUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REPEAT
13:43:54linuxstbFor Sudoku, I'm thinking of going with Linus's idea, but a long press on the joystick will toggle to my idea of an "insert mode".
13:44:13Bgerand short ?
13:44:29linuxstbShort changes the number under the cursor.
13:45:13Bgerif you do it this way, i'm sure i'll make a patch for myself :)
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13:46:01webguest95preglow: just read the logs, I got that whine as well in my psu. A couple of days before it died :(
13:46:32Bgerwebguest95: better to die PSU than to die everything else ...
13:46:37linuxstbBger: So you prefer my initial idea, but with up/down instead of left/right ?
13:46:45Bgeryep
13:47:07webguest95I do not remember what component did it, but it is not the fan. iirc it is a transformator or something like that.
13:48:05webguest95Bger: yes, i thought everything had died on me, but a new psu brought my machine back to life
13:48:56Bgerwebguest95: i had very bad experience 3 years ago... with one PSU-"bomb" - JNC ... it killed everything but CPU & RAM ... the CD-ROM started to sparkle ... and the HDD.. but the last one died about 2 months later
13:49:47Bgerin fact the same PSU killed also 2 HDDs before the last one
13:50:20webguest95linuxstb, if you make bitmap icons, those could be used in other plugins as well. Like the chess clock, track-timer and so on. As it is a fixed number of digits, the screen-space could be used in a better way for those plugins.
13:50:34webguest95hmm, not icons, digits
13:51:37linuxstbwebguest95: Possibly, but maybe those plugins will require larger/smaller digits - I have a specific need to fill the screen with a 9x9 grid
13:51:42Bgerlinuxstb: with this plugin the sudoku will become even more popular :)
13:52:02linuxstbIs it a bug that there is no Sudoku in Rockbox? :)
13:52:09B4gderyes!
13:52:11B4gder:-]
13:52:11Bgerhahaha
13:52:15webguest95Bger: sounds horrible. I also had a similar experience about 10 yrs ago, when my harddisk stopped working. I tapped on the harddisk gently, and *boom*. The psu crashed with a bang.
13:52:40Bgerbad...
13:52:48webguest95iirc, that was the only thing that was ruined though. So, it wasn't that bad.
13:53:19webguest95linuxstb: yes, that is true.
13:53:38Bgerluckily in most cases the PSU kills only itself
13:53:41preglowwebguest95: hell, this psu is brand new
13:53:53Bgerpreglow: brand ?
13:54:08webguest95preglow: oh, hmm. Well, mine was 2 yrs old.
13:54:17preglowBger: northq
13:54:32Bgeris it "heavy" :)
13:54:50webguest95But, did it start whining just now, or has it been like that from the start?
13:55:12Bgerthe most lame way to learn are there any "saved" components
13:55:21Bgerlike filters etc
13:55:28preglowit just started now, i think
13:55:49preglowalthough i know a whine this high-pitched can easily disappear due to accoustics
13:55:52preglowi just moved to a new place
13:57:13linuxstbI'm sure this has been discussed before, but it would be nice to be able to "task-switch" between the WPS and a plugin.
13:57:39webguest95ok. I googled a bit when the psu crashed, and I found out that there is some components in the psu that can do that. I had a bad psu btw.
13:57:52Bgerlinuxstb: many times
13:58:19linuxstbIs there a fundamental problem, or is it just that no-one has coded it?
13:58:37webguest95Has the jpeg viewer always stopped playback, or am I recalling wrongly?
13:58:48B4gderwebguest95: always
13:58:59B4gderit uses the audio buffer
13:59:13webguest95B4agder: ok :) ahh, that explains it.
13:59:21B4gderlinuxstb: it would require that the plugin starts in a new thread I guess and some basic switching logic
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14:00:22webguest95It would be cool if that would be possible though. Is it too demanding to fit in the plugin space?
14:00:32webguest95Like, memory wise
14:00:37preglowoh yes
14:00:42preglowat least for most pictures
14:00:51webguest95for the "down sampling"
14:00:54webguest95?
14:01:06Bgersomeone already had idea to do this
14:01:53webguest95I mean the raw image is quite big. Well, I do not know how the jpeg viewer works. But I can imagine why it wouldnt fit in plugin memory.
14:01:54Bgerit was discussed recently (last week probably)
14:02:17webguest95Bger: ok :)
14:02:25webguest95Back to work. Bye
14:02:29Bgerbye
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14:03:59BgerLinusN: any progress with the BDM ? i suppose none, otherwise you'd let us know
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14:07:48amiconnBger: I had one case of a dying PSU killing the soundcard, but in a very subtle way
14:08:27amiconnThe card was still recognised by the BIOS after replacing the PSU, but any attempt to play a sound in windows resulted in a hang
14:08:48Bgerif the soundcard was something ordinary, u've been lucky
14:09:05amiconnI guess that the card couldn't trigger interrupts any more
14:09:14Bgervery possible
14:09:41amiconnJust a SB64V, nothing special...
14:10:01ReKleSSI've had a psu cause crashes because it couldn't handle the load (gf3 ti500 + ut2004 + cheapo PSU), but that's just weird
14:10:26Bgermy JNC killed ... motherboard, CD-ROM (this one was while making very cool efects like rays:)), soundcard ...
14:11:38amiconnAnother really weird cause of failing PSU was the whole PC "blinking"
14:12:02Bgerand the videocard of course
14:12:17BgerHDD 2 months later ...
14:13:34Bgerit was kind enough to warn me (the pc began to turn off 20-30 sec after power on), but i didn't speak his language ...
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14:16:11preglowmy god, this sound is annoying
14:17:07ReKleSSare you sure it's even your computer and not some other random piece of equipment?
14:17:20preglowit's the computer, alright
14:17:47preglowand i'm pretty certain it's the psu, i used an old one which made the same type of sound
14:19:25preglowhmm
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14:19:30preglowis it possible to park a drive in windows?
14:20:03Bgerwith 3rd party tool ...
14:20:08preglowsure, url me
14:20:18preglowassuming it's free, heh
14:20:52Bgerhttp://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/park-hard-drive.html <= this ??
14:22:03Bgerok, i'm wrong :)
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14:49:34Bgerbtw, there isn't WPS tag, who shows time from the RTC, is it?
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14:50:26CoCoLUSthe h1x0 players don't even have a rtc?
14:50:51Bgerbut h3x0 have
14:50:56Bgersome archos also
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14:54:23ashridahi fail to see why you'd need a clock in the unit, except for the idea of using it as an alarm clock, personally.
14:56:39Bgerashridah: ok, i don't have arm watch and i don't want to pull ot my GSM just to see the time, when i can see it on the remote...
14:59:33Bgers/ot/out
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15:03:19ashridahbuy a 10 dollar watch. it'll cost less than a H3xx, i garuntee it :)
15:03:47Bgerok, i can buy one for $2 :)
15:04:15Bgerin fact the h3x0 costs me in this case $2 - $10 less :)
15:04:36ashridahit cost you -ve 8 dollars?
15:05:20Bgerthe h3x0 *has* rtc, why don't use it
15:05:47Bgeri have h3x0
15:05:48amiconnashridah: A clock is required for strict FAT32 compliance
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15:09:24Bgerhttp://www.mirc.com/khaled/faq.html <= lol, some of the questions are more stupid than i could suppose
15:09:25ashridahamiconn: a clock is, a hardware clock isn't.
15:09:57ashridahi seem to recall fat filesystems existed on systems without a clock, since msdos used to ask for the time/date on bootup :)
15:10:05ashridahmaybe fat32's stricter tho
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15:13:57ashridahweird
15:14:08*ashridah complies, and tapes a wall clock to his palyer
15:14:10ashridahplayer even
15:14:24Bger"wall clock"?????
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15:35:06Bgerdoens't someone count the missing iriver remote support as a bug ? :)
15:35:22*solex does :)
15:36:13*Hansmaulwurf too
15:36:28Hansmaulwurfbut Xaviers Build is fine for me
15:39:11Bgeramiconn: so u see the remote's lcd as pretty independent from the main lcd ?
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18:21:42webguest42hmm, how is linuxtb going to add a game if there is afeature freeze on ?
18:22:09webguest42I'm really keen on the game that his working on :)
18:23:16XavierGrwhat sort of game?
18:23:41webguest42sudoku
18:24:28webguest42to get you started http://www.websudoku.com/
18:24:52webguest42the evil ones are really evil,
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18:51:00preglowthegeek: yo
18:51:08preglowthegeek: you're the one with the 2005fpw, yeah?
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21:07:11HET2if money didn't matter, what mp3 player would you get to use with rockbox?
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21:07:35thegeekiriver h140 with a 80 single-platter and battery upgrade
21:07:45thegeekthe hd and the battery are things you have to do yourself
21:07:51dpassen1x5 is probably the best hardware out there, it has a pending rockbox port
21:07:51thegeekthe h140 you can just buy;)
21:07:53HET2thegeek: is it already supported?!
21:07:56thegeekyes
21:08:02crwlwhere you can get a 80 GB single-platter disc?
21:08:09thegeekI dont know
21:08:14thegeekbut if money does not matter...
21:08:15thegeek;)
21:08:21thegeekI do know they exist
21:08:24dpassen1doesnt the H140 have room for a double platter drive?
21:08:28HET2dpassen1: x5 as in iaudio?
21:08:38thegeekog
21:08:38thegeekoh
21:08:41thegeekperhaps it does dpassen1
21:08:43dpassen1HET2: yes, i have an H120, my roommate has an x5
21:08:49thegeekI'm not 100% sure
21:08:51dpassen1i thought thats why the 140 was thicker than the 120
21:08:53HET2the h140 is sold out
21:08:53crwli don't think there are even 40 GB single platter discs available yet
21:08:55thegeekyeah
21:09:04thegeekwell
21:09:10dpassen1only a matter of time
21:09:11thegeeknot commercially available crwl
21:09:14HET2dpassen1: what about the x5l?
21:09:31HET2dpassen1: is it compatible enough with the x5 to eat the same software?
21:09:42dpassen1just longer battery life, slightly thicker body, its nice (im no expert on the x5, i have an H120)
21:09:47thegeekget an iriver
21:09:51dpassen1but the port is a long way off
21:09:55thegeekexactly
21:09:59thegeekperhaps even never
21:10:02thegeekhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/17/toshiba_perpendicular_hdd/
21:10:03thegeekthere
21:10:06thegeek80gb single platter;)
21:10:07thegeekhehe
21:10:07HET2but the iriver are ugly :/
21:10:13thegeekarrgh
21:10:14dpassen1with rockbox, the H120/140 is the best mp3 player on the marker, IMO
21:10:18thegeeksorry
21:10:21dpassen1*market
21:10:21thegeekit's 40gb single
21:10:24thegeekand 80gb dual
21:10:38thegeekthat does make sense
21:10:50thegeekbecause I remember thinking "a h140 with that 80gb would be smooth)
21:11:22HET2dpassen1: what makes it the best?
21:11:32thegeekgreat hardware
21:11:36thegeekand great software
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21:11:43thegeekreally
21:11:48thegeekit has optical in/out
21:11:50thegeekmic
21:11:51thegeekradio
21:11:53dpassen1rockbox allows for fast bootup, gapless playback of lame encoded mp3s flacs and oggs, on the fly playlistig, replaygain
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21:14:01HET2thegeek: i dont have use for optical i/o ;)
21:14:22thegeekperhaps not
21:14:33thegeekbut the iriver h-series hardware is still pretty damn good
21:14:38dpassen1a cheap rio karma is a nice alternative
21:14:45HET2dpassen1: hard to get
21:15:04HET2dpassen1: and the new model has been vaporware for years
21:15:09thegeekthe karma is fucking ugly
21:15:10dpassen1yeah the Chroma
21:15:22thegeekhonesly
21:15:24dpassen1looks are unimportant, when it resides in a pocket
21:15:25thegeek*honestly
21:15:34thegeekI really dont like the design of the karma
21:15:39thegeekit's not just looks
21:15:40dpassen1i dont like the shape
21:15:45thegeekit's button placement, shape ++
21:16:07dpassen1yea, im much more comfortable with the shape every major player has (ipod, h-series, x5, etc)
21:16:29HET2the new ipods are nothing but ripoff
21:16:37HET2i cant believe apple is not ashamed selling them
21:17:37thegeekI dont get the iaudio x5 hype
21:17:42thegeekit has a color screen
21:17:44thegeekso what
21:18:19HET2i dont need color on an mp3 player
21:18:21HET2i need sound!
21:18:23dpassen1thegeek: its a nice player, factory firmware allows for flac playback, ogg, near gapless with mp3, limited video playback, usb host functionality
21:18:23thegeekwell
21:18:28thegeekcolor does look good
21:18:34thegeekbut it's really not needed
21:18:37HET2is the h140 ums compatible?
21:18:54HET2(usb mass storage)
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21:22:14HET2the h140 doesnt play flac does it
21:22:49thegeekdude
21:23:00thegeekrockbox supports the iriver h-series
21:23:04thegeekthat includes the h140
21:23:12crwlh100 series :)
21:23:15HET2thegeek: rockbox for iriver is not quite done i recon
21:23:36thegeekat the moment rockbox is _the_ best firmware for any portable player
21:23:45thegeekit probably supports the most codecs
21:23:53thegeekand it certainly has the largest potential
21:24:00thegeekand yes it does play flac
21:24:08thegeekit's not done
21:24:12thegeekand hopefully never will
21:24:15HET2thegeek: yes that's why i came here, to find out what mp3 player to buy for rockbox ;)
21:24:22thegeekit does work very well though;)
21:24:31thegeekand I said the h140
21:24:33thegeekor the h120
21:24:37thegeekif you cant afford the h140
21:25:17HET2yes thanks
21:25:30crwlsome people might appreciate h120's slimness compared to the h140, though
21:26:06thegeekhmm
21:26:09thegeekI have the h120
21:26:16thegeekI did not the think it was that much
21:26:20thegeekjust a couple of mm's ?
21:26:23crwlit's not much, yes
21:26:26crwlit's still something :)
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21:27:39HET2thegeek: 160gm vs 178gm
21:27:54thegeekworth imho
21:28:05thegeekif money is no problem;)
21:28:06thegeekas you said
21:28:12thegeek*worth it
21:28:20HET2the difference is 3mm
21:28:36HET23mm thickness that is, height/width are the same
21:29:00HET2and battery runtime is the same
21:29:07thegeekwe know HET2;)
21:29:12thegeekand as I said
21:29:21thegeekyou can buy a better battery and install yourself
21:29:26thegeekyou can even buy a larger hd
21:29:34HET2thegeek: i was just thinking aloud
21:29:46thegeekright now I guess the 60gb dual platter is the best(only) for the h140
21:30:04HET240gb is more than enough imho
21:30:07HET2i'd rather buy a battery
21:30:12thegeekthen you would have a 60gb rockbox-supported player that can play for more than ~20 hours
21:30:19thegeekhehe
21:30:25thegeekyou can never have enough;)
21:31:04HET2thegeek: i have had an ipod for a years now, i have enough of too much already
21:31:13HET2thegeek: i want something that is going to last for more than a year ;)
21:31:23thegeek;)
21:31:49HET2iriver 140, here i come
21:31:55thegeekhehe:)
21:32:09thegeekyou should try it first though
21:32:19thegeekmy only complaint is the joystick
21:32:33HET2well, the ipod is the only mp3 player with a usable interface
21:32:43HET2but other than that it is a piece of shit unfortunately
21:33:00HET2no matter if i get a rio karma, an x5 or a 140, they're all clunky on the ui
21:33:12amiconnActually battery runtime might be a bit better with h120 than with h140
21:33:16HET2and i don't want something that will want to play videos for me
21:33:25HET2amiconn: according to the data sheet it's the same...
21:33:26amiconnSpinning up the disk needs less power for single platter
21:34:28amiconnWhile the h1x0 series is pretty good hardware-wise, there are some points that I don't like
21:35:02amiconn(1) It has rather bad crosstalk suppression, *far* worse than e.g. archos
21:35:32amiconnI dunno whether the UDA1380 is to blame, or it's some wiring/grounding problem
21:36:18amiconn(2) While the case is very robust (no cheap plastic) the shock protection of the hd leaves something to desire
21:36:20webguest68amiconn- what is crosstalk suppression?
21:37:22amiconnCrosstalk means that you can hear a bit of what happens in one channel (e.g. left) in the other channel (e.g. right)
21:37:40HET2amiconn: have you tried different headphones?
21:37:45amiconnYes
21:37:57amiconnI've done some experiments:
21:38:57amiconnBoth the MAS chip in the archos and the mentioned UDA1380 in the iriver are supposed to completely silence one channel if you push the balance adjustment fully to the other channel
21:39:51amiconnI connected the headphone, set balance to 100% left, volume to max, the shielded the left earpiece acustically and listened to the right earpiece
21:40:06amiconnIn an ideal world, I shouldn't be able to hear anything
21:40:29webguest68I use my 140 with Sensaphonics Prophonics 2X-S- it does it's job IMO esp. through the optical out :), but as you say, maybe there are better solutions...
21:40:56HET2amiconn: the trouble with the archos is that nobody sells them...
21:41:07amiconnOn archos I could hear almost nothing, while on iriver I heard almost my normal listening volume...
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21:41:36noC|andY`fRahow much do the sensas cost? @ webguest
21:41:38amiconnwebguest68: optical out is a completely different story; no analog audio component of the iriver is involved then
21:42:01HET2webguest68: what good is optical out when you're on the street?
21:42:31noC|andY`fRayou can build a portable dac for example
21:42:41amiconnHowever, I don't have any optical components besides my DVD player
21:43:10amiconn...and the only thing with an s/pdif input besides my iriver is my archos
21:43:23amiconn(though the archos s/pdif isn't optical)
21:43:36HET2noC|andY`fRa: i am terrifyingly unskilled at building hardware
21:43:52noC|andY`fRa:)
21:44:10webguest68HET2 well, it is :) these phones -2X-S- are canalphones, isolating ones and I use the optical out on the street...
21:44:13HET2noC|andY`fRa: i have already melted hundreds of euros worth of hardware with a soldering iron...
21:44:21noC|andY`fRahehe
21:44:32noC|andY`fRawhats the actual 2xs price?
21:44:45webguest68499 pounds
21:44:51HET2webguest68: what headphones?
21:45:24webguest68HET2 Sensaphonics Prophonics 2X-S
21:45:26HET2jesus christ 499 pounds for HEADPHONES?
21:45:44HET2and i thought me spending 200 euros was bad
21:46:01webguest68yep :) but I can tell you that you've never heard the music before :)
21:46:13HET2oh come on, it'
21:46:19HET2oh come on, it's an mp3 after all
21:47:04webguest68these are ones of the best out there; I know it's just a DAP, but the difference is so huuuge :)
21:47:18HET2dap?
21:47:23noC|andY`fRayeah i often read about them on headfi
21:47:37webguest68I am from hesd-fi :)
21:47:47webguest68head fi*
21:47:51noC|andY`fRa;D
21:48:38webguest68HET2 Digital Audio Player- DAP
21:49:08noC|andY`fRabut as a poor pupil the only headphones ive got so far are ms1 and shure e2, but when i get money again i will get some really good canalphones
21:49:18noC|andY`fRathat is a must
21:49:20noC|andY`fRa:)
21:50:22webguest68good luck :) Ultimate Ears UE-1O Pro are also great from what I've read, comparable to 2X-S
21:50:41noC|andY`fRayeah but they are as expensive as the 2x-s :(
21:50:57webguest68even more :)
21:51:38noC|andY`fRaok i'm trying not to think about it at the moment :)
21:52:22webguest68ok :) gotta go, see you...
21:52:54noC|andY`fRasee you ;)
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21:54:19thegeekactually
21:54:22thegeekif I could afford it
21:54:34thegeekI would easily spend 499 pounds on them
21:54:37thegeek_easily_
21:55:24thegeekI have already spent close to 300 pounds on shure e3 canalphones and a sennheiser 595;)
21:55:39*thegeek kicks himself
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22:23:11webguest45there are are a few ways of ipmroving the grip on the H140's joystick non-dectructively
22:24:15webguest45paint it with nail varnish, I have done this, apply it generously, or put a bol of silicon sealant in the dimple and smooth it to you liking
22:26:16webguest45or buy a black rubber party ballon, stick it on with silicone sealant and trim excess,
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22:27:22*paugh doesn't want to think about what kind of party would have black balloons
22:27:41webguest45gothic :)
22:27:43Paul_The_NerdSounds like my birthday.
22:27:48Paul_The_NerdWhat's being discussed?
22:28:00webguest45slippery joysticks
22:28:09webguest45on the H140 that is
22:28:26Paul_The_NerdHrm
22:28:34webguest45not really a discssion, I'm talking to myself
22:28:47*Paul_The_Nerd likes his H120 joystick
22:29:07paughi was going to replace it entirely but i'll try one of those first i think
22:29:39webguest45replace with what ?
22:30:19paughsomething better ;)
22:30:35paughprobably something convex rather than concave
22:31:14webguest45well nil varnish worked for me
22:31:20paughlike a low profile chess pawn
22:31:22webguest45nil=nail
22:32:04webguest45get some iron filings and glue them in the dimple
22:33:12paughi may just drill a small hole and put a screw in the center
22:33:48webguest45carefull you dont split it
22:34:07paugh:)
22:34:21Paul_The_NerdThe only problem I have is how easily I accidentally change tracks while adjusting volume.
22:34:55webguest45I dont find that a problem
22:35:30paughon another note: flac decoder chokes on high sample rate files. not surprising but it probably shouldn't lock the unit
22:36:05Paul_The_NerdIt locks the unit?
22:36:19*Paul_The_Nerd has big behemoths of thumbs that aren't nearly as precise as his fingers. =/
22:36:24paughwell, it crashes, forcing a reset
22:36:31Paul_The_NerdWeird.
22:36:36Paul_The_NerdIs this new, or old?
22:36:46paughthe build?
22:37:10Paul_The_NerdThe build and the problem, I guess. Like, has it been doing it a while, or just a specific build, or just *since* a specific build?
22:37:58paughbuild is from 22. i'll try the latest. that's the first i've tried since i only just got my h140 so i can't say about other versions.
22:39:50Bagderfinally back on my 2001FP screen after weeks on a crappy 17" CRT
22:40:53paughmmm i was looking at one of those today. not a bad price at all.
22:41:03Paul_The_NerdI know that FLAC isn't always decoded at full speed anyway
22:41:09Paul_The_NerdSometimes the buffer empties and you'll get skips.
22:41:22paughPaul_The_Nerd, yeah i've heard that
22:41:29Paul_The_NerdYou might want to convert them to Lossless wavpacks.
22:41:39paugh(as in, heard skips on playback)
22:41:57Paul_The_NerdYou get very similar filesizes, and since it's another lossless format, there's no data lost in transcoding so you can revert later if you need.
22:42:09Paul_The_NerdAs well, wavpack runs fine in my experience.
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22:44:23paughwavpack is a better compressor too. i wrote some code to add wv support to a p2p app recently. and therein lies the problem. not enough support in the apps i use (yet) fucked up tags too. (ape?!)
22:45:05paughi guess it'll come around tho
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22:45:44LinusNDetected V2 core
22:45:48Paul_The_NerdYeah, but all I'm saying is you could transcode the flacks to wavpacks for the device.
22:45:51LinusN Coldfire debug module version is 0 (5206(e)/5272/5282)
22:46:00LinusN(gdb)
22:46:07LinusNi'm in!
22:46:09*Bagder falls off his chair
22:46:18Bagdergo go go gooooo
22:46:31LinusNh300 here i come
22:46:45*Paul_The_Nerd applauds, despite behind a happy 1X0 owner.
22:47:00LinusNfeels nice
22:47:13paughPaul_The_Nerd: sure but it's a lot of hassle. i'll hold out for an further optimised flac for now i think :)
22:47:18webguest45well done
22:47:20Paul_The_NerdHehehe. Fair enough
22:47:56Paul_The_NerdFor me, it's all a matter of converting from CDs, so format choice is pretty much entirely flexible.
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22:52:15paughPaul_The_Nerd, pretty much the same deal with lossless sources really.
22:52:26paughPaul_The_Nerd, i think i'm flac biased tho
22:52:53paugha vorbis/flac bigot ;]
22:53:09NekoNoNiaowhi
22:53:25paughlo NekoNoNiaow
22:53:33Paul_The_Nerd'lo Neko
22:53:38Paul_The_NerdYeah, I'm a vorbis/flac bigot too.
22:53:51Paul_The_NerdAnd as soon as I can listen to my flacs without skips, I'll be back to 'em, I imagine.
22:54:45NekoNoNiaowstill no oggs on rockbox ? (yup i know it's not possible :( )
22:54:45BagderDebian bigots upset me
22:54:56webguest45nah lame aps rules
22:55:14BagderNekoNoNiaow: you mean on Archos?
22:55:34NekoNoNiaowBagder: right, on archos
22:55:39Bagderrockbox on iriver plays rockbox just fine
22:55:44Bagderplays ogg
22:55:48*Bagder can't type
22:55:49NekoNoNiaowi corrected ;)
22:56:11paughBagder Debian bigots ?
22:56:16Bagderyeah
22:56:28NekoNoNiaowmy Bagder decoder seems to be working ;)
22:56:38paughheh
22:56:48paughBagder, free association?
22:57:02BagderI'm not sure where to start or what to say...
22:57:03Bagder;-)
22:57:10Bagderits totally off topic here anyway
22:57:18Bagderhttp://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/be373a5456c6f6a5/a078c7b2214cfc75?lnk=st&q=libcurl&rnum=1&hl=en#a078c7b2214cfc75
22:57:21Bagderthere
22:58:23Bagderand that's just one episode of it
22:58:33NekoNoNiaowit lacks images :)
22:59:05NekoNoNiaowok that was not funny, sorry :)
22:59:09Bagder?
22:59:33NekoNoNiaowa tv episode would have had images, see, that's not funny
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23:00:05*NekoNoNiaow digs a hole and throws himself inside
23:00:16paughheh
23:00:36*Bagder looks at NekoNoNiaow's hole
23:00:39Bagder:-)
23:00:43ColdtoastI ordered a new computer
23:00:59NekoNoNiaowman, i really love such kind of command line :
23:01:01NekoNoNiaowrockbox/gmini/toolchain/bin/../lib/gcc/calmrisc16-unknown-elf/3.4.3/../../../../calmrisc16-unknown-elf/bin/ld
23:01:04NekoNoNiaow:)
23:01:09Bagderyeah
23:01:15Coldtoasta laptop
23:01:19Bagderthose ../../.. things are great
23:02:18NekoNoNiaowhardly readable but undoubtly great
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23:02:43NekoNoNiaowdoes anyone have an idea of what this error means : "ld:flash.lds:8: parse error"
23:03:00NekoNoNiaowwhen ld is called
23:03:08Bagderyes
23:03:18Bagderit uses the flash.lds file for linking
23:03:46BagderI guess
23:03:47NekoNoNiaowis that the cause of the error ?
23:03:51Bagderlds = link description file
23:04:03NekoNoNiaowok, so the lds is badly written
23:04:08Bagderyes, it sounds like that
23:04:42NekoNoNiaowshit, it was automatically generated, that smells of burnt neurons
23:04:44Bagderor the calmrisc ld patch lacks
23:05:20NekoNoNiaowi'm not sure i understand what you mean by that
23:05:30NekoNoNiaowoh
23:05:43*NekoNoNiaow checks the doc
23:06:02Bagderwell, you didn't really explain in great detail when/why/where you get this ;-)
23:07:31NekoNoNiaowi can't say you're wrong ;)
23:09:07NekoNoNiaowso, i'm compiling gemoss under mac os x, i have compiled the binutils and gcc without (too many) problems, gemoss itself compiles quite well but the testbed compilation produces the error message i gave
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23:09:34NekoNoNiaowgcc/binutils for calmrisc16 i meant
23:10:16NekoNoNiaowto be more precise, the command leading to the error is :
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23:10:20NekoNoNiaowcalmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc -Os -Wall -std=c99 -nostdlib -T flash.lds -o mmio.elf crt0.o crt1.o test-mmio.o hwgmini.o lcd-recorder.o string.o strlen.o hwcompat.o font.o sysfont.o panic.o sprintf.o lcd_debug.o -lgcc
23:10:28NekoNoNiaowcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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23:12:32*Bagder detects som rockbox file names in the list
23:12:36Bagdersome
23:13:01NekoNoNiaowgemoss is the gmini emulator btw
23:14:18NekoNoNiaowok, i got the cause of the error : FIRMWARE : ORIGIN = 0x0x77000, LENGTH = 32K
23:14:28NekoNoNiaowback to configure
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23:16:50NekoNoNiaowhi Strath
23:17:06Strathhello Neko
23:17:35NekoNoNiaowi'm compiling gemoss
23:17:53Strathi just got home from work
23:18:03NekoNoNiaowwaoh
23:18:13NekoNoNiaowwhere do you live ? I hope it's not europe :)
23:18:21Strath:)
23:18:34Strathit's just after 4pm here
23:18:43NekoNoNiaowus then ;)
23:19:36Strathyou knew that though, i thought ;)
23:20:34NekoNoNiaowlost many neurons since i knew that :)
23:20:37LinusNBagder: "Why follow the docs, when you can get yourself these problems instead!?" :-)
23:20:46Bagder*g*
23:21:14Bagder"I don't want no wild make installs"
23:21:22LinusNat least he is in a non-polluted environment ;-)
23:21:30Bagderhehe
23:22:27NekoNoNiaow?
23:22:37Bagderfrom a forum thread
23:22:47Bagderthe rockbox forum
23:23:39NekoNoNiaowyo, got my next problem :)
23:24:53NekoNoNiaowcalmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc -Os -Wall -std=c99 -nostdlib -T flash.lds -o mmio.elf crt0.o crt1.o test-mmio.o hwgmini.o lcd-recorder.o string.o strlen.o hwcompat.o font.o sysfont.o panic.o sprintf.o lcd_debug.o -lgcc
23:24:57NekoNoNiaowpanic.o(.text+0xa6): In function `_panicf': undefined reference to `_debugf'
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23:25:40Bagderwell now you're down to plain linking/compiling errors
23:25:54NekoNoNiaowyup, that's better
23:27:12NekoNoNiaowfirst google hit for _debugf is rockbox
23:27:22NekoNoNiaowso i guess it's defined by rockbox
23:27:31BagderI would suspect your lcd_debug file should have it
23:27:39*NekoNoNiaow experiments google debugging
23:28:45Strathstill working on porting it to maxosX?
23:29:01Strather.. mac os X?
23:29:34NekoNoNiaow_lcd_debugf is defined but not _debugf
23:29:44NekoNoNiaowstrath : yes
23:30:24NekoNoNiaowi have gcc and the binutils apparently working, gcc has a small problem with the command line but seems ok so far
23:30:41Strathyay ;)
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23:36:02NekoNoNiaowstrath : hopefully i should be able to work on the gmini on sunday
23:36:10NekoNoNiaowbut that may be optimistic
23:36:23NekoNoNiaowahem saturday, not sunday
23:37:19Strathis/was there anything that you actually had to patch to get things to compile orjust changes to your machine's configuration?
23:38:55NekoNoNiaowonly a few things in the binutils : moving 2 declarations from a .h into a .c, some too for gcc and minor stuff for gemoss
23:39:20Strathk
23:39:29NekoNoNiaowi noted everything and i will try to fix it cleanly before beginning anything serious
23:41:14NekoNoNiaowreading my notes i see that gcc compiled without problems, overall i had 3-4 minor problems
23:42:07Strathdoesn't sound too bad
23:43:18Strathget this, at work i have to write programs in gw-basic
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23:44:07NekoNoNiaowi agree, that's much easier than I thought
23:44:33NekoNoNiaowStrath: are they punishing you ? :)
23:44:44Strathoh how i long for the option of using C or C++ :)
23:46:59Strathno, it's just what they use.... they want me to eventualy rewrite the entire system, but first i have to learn and understand the current system
23:47:56NekoNoNiaowcan be an interesting thing
23:48:33NekoNoNiaowdid you had problems compiling the testbed for gemoss ?
23:48:53Strathi don't recall ;)
23:50:17NekoNoNiaow:)
23:51:30NekoNoNiaowwould that work if i did make dist-clean in the testbed folder, rerun configure then make ?
23:51:42NekoNoNiaowafter a change in testbed/Makefile.am
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23:52:53Strathi don't think i ever used anything in testbed
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23:53:02NekoNoNiaowoh
23:53:11Strathjyp's baby
23:53:21NekoNoNiaowok
23:54:19NekoNoNiaowi definitely need to fix this XP_MACOS define stuff cleanly : calmrisc16-unknown-elf-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../src -DARCHOS_GMINI_120 -DSTANDALONE=1 -DXP_MACOSX
23:54:38NekoNoNiaow:)
23:55:14Strathheh

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