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#rockbox log for 2005-09-17

00:00:37amiconnBagder: What happened to the wiki? Fixing the bug demonstrated this evening?
00:00:56Bagderyep, gonna do that
00:01:41Bagderzagor is kind of the father of that install, so I'm letting him do it
00:02:02amiconnrasher: I don't think a 2-month release schedule is too short.
00:02:16rasherUpdating twiki?
00:02:24Bagderrasher: yes
00:02:38Bagderthere's an annoying info leak flaw in it
00:03:11rasherThere's an automagic update-script I think..
00:03:27amiconnWith the current situation, releases stay "current" for a long time, so they are important, and receive special treatment involving extended feature freezes etc
00:04:14rasherAh.. Good point.
00:04:33amiconnI think that more frequent releases will make them less special, so development won't be disturbed that much
00:04:44BagderI agree
00:05:28BagderI've released 89 curl releases in less than 8 years...
00:05:34amiconnAnd it would be a plus for the users that prefer to rely on release versions
00:07:47rasherI retract my concern.
00:08:47Bagdertime for sleep
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01:21:49rasheramiconn: do you know when you get corruption, or do you just run the tests long enough to be sure?
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01:35:14rasherlinuxstb: had any more attempts at faad2?
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04:23:29shfhgedshgdfdoes anybody know were i can get hacks fro the sdmx1 (sandiskplayer) hacks?
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04:25:14shfhgedshgdf??
04:26:01secherHeyas all.. I just recovered my Archos after thinking it was stolen about a year ago ( not stolen.. lost down the back of a buddy's couch.. anyway.. it was one hell of a night ), and I just went to reup my rockbox firmware, and there's no docs page.. anyone know where it got to?
04:26:32shfhgedshgdfdoes anybody know were i can get hacks fro the sdmx1 (sandiskplayer) hacks??
04:28:01shfhgedshgdf?????????
04:28:03shfhgedshgdf?????????
04:28:06shfhgedshgdf????????
04:28:08shfhgedshgdf???????
04:28:10shfhgedshgdf???????
04:28:11shfhgedshgdf??????
04:28:13shfhgedshgdf?????
04:28:15shfhgedshgdf????
04:28:16shfhgedshgdf???
04:28:17shfhgedshgdf??
04:28:18DBUGEnqueued KICK shfhgedshgdf
04:28:18shfhgedshgdf?
04:28:23shfhgedshgdf????????????????
04:28:24shfhgedshgdf?
04:28:25shfhgedshgdf?
04:28:26***Alert Mode level 1
04:28:26shfhgedshgdf?
04:28:27***Alert Mode level 2
04:28:27shfhgedshgdf!
04:28:29shfhgedshgdf!
04:28:41shfhgedshgdf!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:28:42pengoyou're going to need more question marks than that to get an answer
04:28:47shfhgedshgdfkk
04:29:08shfhgedshgdf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
04:29:14shfhgedshgdf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
04:29:15***Alert Mode level 3
04:29:15shfhgedshgdf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
04:29:17***Alert Mode level 4
04:29:17shfhgedshgdf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
04:29:23***Alert Mode level 5
04:29:23shfhgedshgdf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
04:29:29shfhgedshgdf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
04:29:30pengoplease stop, shfhgedshgdf
04:29:35shfhgedshgdf????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
04:29:41shfhgedshgdfis that enuff fuck face'
04:29:48shfhgedshgdfy wont any1 answer me
04:29:54shfhgedshgdfi waited 40 mins
04:30:29pengobecause 3073 question marks was 3072 too many
04:30:43shfhgedshgdfo
04:30:46shfhgedshgdflife sucks
04:30:55pengotell me about it
04:31:01secherpengo: you didn't actually tally all of the characters, did you?
04:31:17pengosecher, only of the last lot
04:31:21secherhow?
04:31:36pengopython
04:31:39pengoa = "????????????"
04:31:41shfhgedshgdfwhere can i het hacks for flash based players?
04:31:42pengolength(a)
04:31:46pengo* 7
04:31:50shfhgedshgdfwhere can i get hacks for flash based players?
04:31:59sechergot it.
04:32:31shfhgedshgdfwhere can i get hacks for flash based players?
04:32:52pengoshfhgedshgdf, try google.
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04:33:32sechershf: it's traditional in IRC that if an answer is not known, there is no reply. Otherwise, for each question asked, there would be a litany of "I don't knows" and screens woudl ... nevermind.
04:33:56pengoheh
04:34:46pengoall the beautiful people
04:35:10secherI don't know if shf's nonsense scrolled my question off too quickly.. does anyone know where the docs page from rockbox.org went?
04:36:37pengoi use google a lot with; site:rockbox.org docs
04:36:44pengoor so
04:37:44secherahhh.. life is occasionally good.. in bed, AC blowing right on me, Grateful Dead playing in the background, dicking around on my laptop and my GF sacked out naked beside me. <SMILE> *sigh* Thnaks Pengo, I forgot about the site: option in Google.. I've only used it a couple of times.
04:38:18Febssecher, it looks like the whole wiki is down, not just the docs page.
04:39:24***Alert Mode OFF
04:39:42secherit is.. from twiki/bin on down.
04:44:37pengosecher, my girl left me. my laptop's power brick is broken. i have a sore neck from sitting in bed on the computer. i have the heater on because it's cold and raining outside. at least i have my rockbox iriver playing meat beat manifesto from flac.
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05:44:38OPPhello!
05:47:54CheeseBurgerManHello.
05:47:58OPPbootloader in "weeks"
05:47:58OPPim so pumped
05:47:58OPPshould be soon
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06:49:24snaxI think I found an ogg file that crashes rockbox
06:49:37pengoi found one too
06:49:44pengobut it was a renamed .flac file
06:50:07snaxah, well, I encoded this one before flac existed, so I don't think that's the case :P
06:52:16snaxanyway, is there any person or place I should send the file so the devs can try to reproduce it?
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08:27:25Slasherisnax: how long is that file?
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09:35:13amiconnHrmpf. Cross-linked clusters... :(
09:37:49Slasheri"nice", the wiki on our server has been already cracked (yesterday). That security flaw must be quite new i think. Fortunately all logs are intact so it's easy to send abuse to isp and no other damage seem to be done.
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09:49:03Maxime[22:36] <Domonoky> Hi.. rockbox should update the twiki, it has a big bug..
09:49:03Maxime[22:36] <Domonoky> sample url: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers?rev=2%20%7Cless%20/etc/passwd
09:49:03Maxime[22:37] <Domonoky> bad, bad :-)
09:49:50Jefehow come when I click on Wiki it doesnt show up?
09:49:51MaximeSlasheri: nobody wanted to de something "bad", but just tell you this
09:51:28JefeHello?
09:51:38Maximeerm
09:51:58MaximeJefe: maybe someone is upgrading the wiki..
09:52:10Jefeah
09:52:38Jefethen they are upgrading documentaitions too.
09:52:46Maximenot sure
09:52:57MaximeJefe: upgrading the wiki system i think
09:53:01SlasheriMaxime: Yes, however our server was exploited even before anyone mentioned about that. I noticed that today because system loads were high
09:53:18Jefealright thanks
09:53:39Slasherihopefully everybody will update their wikis..
09:53:54MaximeSlasheri: if you see an IP like "82.229.205...", don't "abuse" for it, it's me, just to see the exploit heh? :x
09:54:17SlasheriMaxime: no, i don't think i will see that ;)
09:54:24Maximeokai lol
09:54:40Maxime(just tried a few "ls" to see the limits of the flaw)
09:54:42Slasheriit was just our server and nothing to do with rockbox
09:54:42Jefeby the way what does wiki mean?
09:54:55Maximeok
09:56:11SlasheriJefe: it's a content management system where everybody can create an account and edit the web pages
09:56:25Slasheriand there was some bug in the code that allowed remote code excecution
09:56:42Jefethanks
09:57:06Jefegoodbye
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10:57:08CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:57:08*amiconn found single-bit errors in the FAT
10:57:27amiconnI wonder what caused these...
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11:04:11Sandkinghello
11:04:34Sandkinganyone knows an rvf player for os x or windows?
11:09:19oddwhat is rvf?
11:09:50Sandkingvideo format
11:10:03Sandkingrockbox uses it as far as i know
11:10:35Sandkingis there any way to autmatically rename output of databox search?
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11:16:15]RowaN[i have a mp3 file that foobar reports as having a tagtype of "id3v2|lyrics3" ... does that means its got lyrics embedded? how can i view them?
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11:29:49amiconn]RowaN[: You'll need a program that supports lyrics3 tags. I suppose there aren't that many
11:30:18amiconnObviously foobar knows about them, so I think it should be able to display them, but then I never used foobar myself
11:30:57amiconnThe godfather also know about them, but I don't have such files so I can't say whether/how it displays them at playback
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11:52:16preglowwhat's up with the wiki?
11:52:57amiconnIt went offline a while after someone posted this in the channel:
11:53:18amiconn[22:34:54] <Domonoky> Hi.. rockbox should update the twiki, it has a big bug..
11:53:18amiconn[22:35:04] <Domonoky> sample url: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers?rev=2%20%7Cless%20/etc/passwd
11:53:18amiconn[22:35:34] <Domonoky> bad, bad :-)
11:54:02preglowhaha
11:54:03amiconnI suppposed one of the Swedes took it offline for updating, but it seems I was wrong (at least partially)
11:54:26preglowthat's one of the most blatantly idiotic bugs i've ever seen
11:54:29preglowkudos to the coders
11:56:41amiconnhttp://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithSearch
11:56:45Rickpreglow: Surely PHPNuke had worse bugs ;)
11:58:00amiconnKnown and fixed for over a year...
11:59:11preglowwhy the hell would anyone actually execute _anything_ from an url string, never mind if you actually do sanity checks or not
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12:00:32Rickpreglow: laziness? speed?
12:01:02preglowadd stupidity, and we've got an agreement
12:01:16Rickagreed
12:01:16Rick:)
12:01:56amiconnNow I confirmed that one of (Recorder v1, Ondio FM) has it's line input reversed, and I know that it is the Ondio
12:03:03amiconnMy recording tests didn't turn out well :(
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12:05:18preglowin what way?
12:05:54amiconnBitshifted recordings, again, and also on Ondio
12:06:43preglowwell, ondio is pretty close hardware-wise to the player, yes?
12:06:50amiconnImho this excludes the possibility that voltage dips caused by disk spinups confuse the MAS
12:07:36amiconnThe Ondio is very close hardware-wise to the recorders, except the mass storage
12:07:49amiconn...which is flash based (MMC)
12:08:12preglowahh, recorder it was
12:09:40amiconnFurthermore I got some single-bit errors in the FAT on Ondio...
12:10:34amiconnThey might have been caused by rockbox... :(
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12:18:57preglowsounds like a subtle bug, in that case
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12:44:14]RowaN[guys is Prison Break good?
12:44:43]RowaN[oops wrong chan hehe
12:48:52amiconnStrange...
12:50:09amiconnSomeone pls explain wth the MAS is doing here
12:51:16amiconnTotal length of test recordings: 13 h 19 min.
12:51:32amiconnOndio: First 2 h 50 min okay, next 1 h 21 min bitshifted >>1, next 8 h 41 min bitshifted >>3
12:52:32amiconnRecorder: First 4 h 47 min okay (with a stray byte at 1 h 06 min), next 51 min bitshifted >>1, after that back to normal (!) for the next 7 h 41 min
12:55:22]RowaN[hmm crossfade doesnt always seem to happen when listening to a playlist.. thats my experience anyway
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13:29:12LearHm... The Wiki link doesn't work...
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13:31:12*amiconn summons Bagder, Zagor, or LinusN
13:32:55preglowamiconn: strange
13:33:45*preglow strokes software codecs
13:34:11amiconnDo we have a software encoder? ;)
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13:38:16preglowheh
13:38:20preglowoh well
13:38:28preglowwe hopefully do, some day
13:38:42preglowat least the debugability beats hardware encoders
13:43:25preglowthe quality is probably another matter...
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14:46:48webguest01Lear, could I interest you in implementing Replay Gain 'Track' mode if shuffle is selected, as an option, please
14:47:20crwl[15:46] <Perzi> Vae jäkistä O_o
14:47:25crwloops
14:51:37solexfuck fuck fuck!
14:51:43solexmy iriver's hd is dying.
14:52:12MaximeRest in peace.
14:52:20solexit played well for the last few hours
14:52:32solexand suddenly i hear that the disk is not spinning down
14:52:49solexit only spins up and does 'click click'
14:52:52solexfuck fuck fuck
14:53:07solexsorry for the noise...
14:53:51crwlwell, you can buy a bigger one for replacement :P
14:59:58solexit's only two months old so i'll get a replacement
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15:01:02rashersolex: sounds like you're just out of battery?
15:01:22rasherPlug the charger and wait a while
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15:17:29goashort question: is it technically possible for the iHP140 hardware to allow to rockbox to connect to an usb massstorage device (digicam) to get pictures from their mostly limited internal storage (SD cards etc)..
15:17:40goa-to
15:18:43Maximeno
15:18:58Maximefor the H120 it's not possible, I don't think it's possible with the 140
15:19:16goaok, why? does it need some sort of usb host controller?
15:19:24Maximeyup
15:19:25rasherPrecisely
15:19:27goaok
15:19:34Maximesth like that ^^
15:19:35rasherOnly available in the H300s
15:19:41goa:/
15:20:52rasherYou can get little boxes that act as a sort of hub that moves data from one usb-storage device to another
15:20:56goathere are no other third party devices arround that let two usb mass storage devices communicate in that way?
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15:21:19goarasher: oh, do you have an url?
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15:21:34rasherNo, I'm afraid not, but I do know that they exist
15:21:35LinusNwonderful, some asshole just deleted our entire wiki
15:21:35goaor brand name or sth..
15:21:54SuckaO_O
15:21:58rasherLinusN: I thought Bagder had taken it offline?
15:22:19LinusNno, it's deöeted
15:22:30LinusNeverything is gone
15:22:31rashercrikey
15:23:01LinusNi wish the guy who pointed out the flaw didn't do it in the channel
15:23:21rasherI doubt that's what caused it
15:23:25MaximeIt's what he did..
15:23:41rasherI'm betting people have been googling for "twiki" and bombing everything furiously
15:24:36Maxime(erm, someone know what does "No buffer space available" means in windows? :x)
15:24:43Maximecan't connect anywhere
15:25:12solexrasher: thanks for the hint about battery. it displayed 5% when the device misbehaved.
15:25:19solexi'll recharge when i am at home
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15:26:33rasherThat would be it. Harddisk trying to spin up when there's not enough power will do that
15:29:10rasherhttp://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:v3gkQV1Q_bEJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort%3Fraw%3Don+site:rockbox.org+%3D%3D%3D+raw :-\
15:29:37amiconnLinusN: I hope there is a backup...
15:30:21LinusNthe backup system has been down for a few weeks because of server problems...
15:30:27rasher"Funny", I was thinking not too long ago why you were running such an old twiki version
15:30:38rasherguess I should have mentioned it
15:31:08*amiconn screams aaargh!
15:31:28rashergoogle has cache of most pages
15:31:34rasherSlightly outdated of course
15:31:41rasherBut newer than "a few weeks"
15:31:49LinusNsomeone better start digging in google
15:31:57amiconnAll the documentaion efforts....
15:32:11rashersite:rockbox.org raw [pagename]
15:32:38rasherPick the pages with "raw=on" in the url for easy copy&paste operation
15:32:47amiconnNobody should be allowed run servers without proper backups
15:33:21*Domonoky feels bad for mention this in the chat...
15:33:52*amiconn seriously thinks about a several week rockbox break now
15:34:06*Domonoky schould have thought about the log...
15:34:20rasherPersonally I don't think that's what caused it
15:34:27rasherThough hard to tell
15:34:30Domonokyif i could help somehow, please tell me..
15:34:53Domonokyshure the bug was already in the news..
15:35:02rasherLooking the apache logs for the offending hit (ip) could be interesting
15:35:13rasheralthough most likely it just points at an open proxy
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15:37:10LinusNrasher: i'm seraching the logs
15:37:55Maximelook for the page named 2.php
15:38:07Maximeor calls like 2%20
15:38:34Maximeor calls like =2%20
15:38:38Maximeor sth like this
15:39:23rasherI now have the webchanges file from google cache updated yesterday
15:39:37webguest01pardon my ignorance, but was this malicious ?
15:39:39rasherLists all pages changed since sep. 2
15:40:00rashershould tell us what to look for
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15:41:40LinusNwebguest01: i'd say deleting the entire wiki can be called malicious
15:42:11webguest01what a wanker,
15:47:14SlasheriHmm, i just take some measurements how stable a "clock" would be on iriver and with standard setup directly using the kernel tick timer, it would drift off at least 2 minutes per day. I don't think it would be really sensible even think about implementing a clock feature unless we could compensate that drift somehow.
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15:58:50Yokaloshhey guys, do you have plans to ever work on the iRiver mp4 players?
15:59:28Yokaloshthat would be ace
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16:06:59Yokaloshi just bought a iRiver pmp 120 so yeh
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16:07:50SlasheriLinusN: wiki on our ihme.org has been also compromised yeasterday (before that url was even pasted on this channel), hard to say if there is some connection. Or then that bug might be so new that some people are searching wikis through google and exploiting them :/
16:09:12Domonokythe bug was on a popular newspage, so people searching exploitable wikis are possible..
16:09:33LinusNour log is full of exploit attempts
16:10:37Slasherithe cracker used several ips, at least: 67.169.227.28 and 71.50.97.192
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16:10:55Slasheri:/
16:11:31rasherI'm pulling wiki pages out of google
16:11:35rashera bit slow..
16:12:17solexSlasheri: hm: All 1663 scanned ports on nc-71-50-97-192.dyn.sprint-hsd.net (71.50.97.192) are: closed
16:12:26Slasherifortunately google has most? of them cached
16:12:27solexbut it is a dynamically assigned address
16:12:46solex67.169.227.28 is better:
16:12:47rasherSlasheri: outdated though
16:12:48Slasheriyes, the address is dynamic.. maybe already changed
16:13:12solexftp, ssh, http, irc, afs3 and "Elite" open
16:13:18LinusN85.140.9.74 - - [16/Sep/2005:23:17:21 +0200] "GET /twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUser
16:13:18LinusNs?rev=2%20%7|rm%20-Rf%20/ HTTP/1.0" 500 1071 "-" "Nutscrape/1.0 (CP/M; 8-bit)"
16:13:42solexis 67.169.227.28 dynamicylly, too?
16:13:58SlasheriLinusN: huh, please write abuse to that isp..
16:14:08Slasherisolex: yes
16:14:10LinusNppp85-140-9-74.pppoe.mtu-net.ru
16:14:20rasher.ru .. :(
16:14:25LinusNfigures
16:14:27solex.ru seems down atm
16:14:35solexno luck
16:15:41rasherGar, why won't google cache ALL pages it finds
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16:26:23tucozhi, what the hell is wrong with people. What is the point of deleting a wiki? scum of the earth is what I call it.
16:26:45Shapeshifteryep
16:27:16aliaskHey guys, I just heard the bad news, and I'm going to start helping piece stuff together, could someone give me some basic syntax so I can start working on pages where google didn't cache the raw data.
16:27:17Shapeshifteranother q: what, if the iriver cant display bmps anymore? none of the bmps of any wps is shown -.-
16:27:46Shapeshifterah, who deleted the wiki?
16:27:49tucozrasher: if you are here, I would like to help you with the restoring effort, but have little time now. Anyway, search.msn.com, www.alltheweb.com, www.yahoo.com might have cached other pages than google.
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16:28:38Slasherimsn and yahoo have seem to access wikis quite frequently
16:29:00LinusNin fact, he deleted everything on the computer owned by "www-data"
16:29:12Shapeshifterwho
16:29:22LinusNShapeshifter: we'll never know
16:29:38Shapeshifterphew
16:29:39rashertucoz: Good
16:29:40LinusNsome guy on a russian dialup
16:29:57aliaskLinusN: Oh dear. Was the main site hosted on another server or something?
16:30:01rashertucoz: I'll put my status-for-restoring somewhere public
16:30:01tucozThat guy should be worked on with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch ;)
16:30:23LinusNaliask: the main site wasn't owned by www-data
16:30:36tucozrasher: good. I'll check back later. Gotta follow the missus to town.
16:31:00aliaskLinusN: Just as well.
16:31:23aliaskCan we get a temporary wiki set up so we can start piecing this back together?
16:31:39tucozsee you later.
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16:32:39rasherI think the best way is to restore whatever backup exists
16:32:42rasherand then work from there
16:33:03aliaskHow old is the backup?
16:33:10rashercan someone find a version of WebChanges that shows edits farther back than Sep. 2?
16:33:59rasheraliask: "a few weeks" is what Linus said
16:34:11LinusNmore like a month...
16:34:34aliaskWell, I'm sure there are plenty of pages that have been cached more recently than that by google or yahoo.
16:34:58rasherYup
16:35:02rasherAlready have quite a few
16:35:31rasherI'm guessing that as soon as the searchengines start crawling the site again, the cache will be emptied?
16:35:40rasherseeing as the pages will no longer be there
16:35:55aliaskYeah, I thought so too, which is why I suggested getting a wiki up asap.
16:36:48rasherdon't think that'll help
16:37:00aliaskrasher: http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=rockbox+webchanges&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&u=www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebChanges%3Frev%3D1.2&w=rockbox+webchanges&d=S_ugw8p5LWNl&icp=1&.intl=us
16:37:36aliaskWell, it would at least be somewhere to store the data before it gets wiped, whenever that is.
16:37:49rasherI'm just saving google results on my harddisk
16:37:54rasheras html
16:38:07rasherAnd as .txt for pages where the "view raw" version is cached
16:38:15rasheradding the revision number and date to the filename
16:38:34rasheraliask: wow, that's old!
16:38:46aliaskGood old yahoo.
16:39:02rasherLinusN: Any idea how old the backup is?
16:39:24rasherNo idea focusing on saving stuff that hasn't changed since the last backup
16:39:37Shapeshifter may be there is some useful stuff here: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://rockbox.org
16:39:44rasherShapeshifter: could be
16:41:35LinusNrasher: "about a month old"
16:41:42LinusNaccording to our sysadmin
16:42:05LinusNi'll see how fast i can restore the backup
16:42:17LinusNi'm not at the office right now
16:42:30LinusNso keep digging
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16:43:29LinusNi'll be away for a while, cu later
16:43:33rasherSo pages older than .. say Aug. 10th are not interesting
16:43:38LinusNno
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16:45:03rasherhttp://google.com/search?num=100q=site%3Arockbox.org+inurl%3Araw%3Don < that one's good
16:48:09*rasher curses "Supplemental results"
16:49:12LinusNwho needs a backup when you have google :-)
16:49:41aliask:)
16:49:56LinusNgotta go
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16:50:10rasherwell if they would just cache EVERY page ever, it'd be much better
16:53:34solextape backup is for wimps only... :)
16:54:36rasherReal men don't make backups.
16:55:03rasherThis goes well with "Real men are not afraid to cry"
16:56:14webguest01real cowboys dont cry, they punch their horses
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17:01:47webguest21Hello here
17:02:07webguest21can i ask a mittle WPS question please?
17:03:01aliaskGo ahead, I'll try to answer it, but I'm no expert.
17:05:42webguest21%fc-%?fv<%fbkb/s VBRI%fbkb/s CBRI> ā %ffHz
17:06:20webguest21with the new WPS modifications this line didn't work for cbr files
17:06:30webguest21just VBR
17:06:40webguest21it worked fine before
17:07:14aliaskI think that capital I after VBR should be a |
17:07:34webguest21yes it is just I can't do it with thi laptop
17:07:41aliaskOh ok.
17:08:17aliaskWhat's the "à" doing?
17:08:24webguest21before WPS modifs codes that worked
17:08:34webguest21ā is a french letter
17:08:50webguest21for at
17:09:02aliaskOk, I was just checking, because it seemed a bit out of place, but then again I'm not french :)
17:09:25webguest21ā isn't a code thing just word
17:10:40aliaskAs far as I can tell, it looks ok, but this is just me looking at what you have written and checking it against the CustomWPS wiki page.
17:11:18webguest21grg with this client I can paste/cut :(
17:11:25webguest21can't
17:11:54webguest21wiki down :(
17:12:04rasherwiki gone, more like
17:12:34webguest21?
17:12:40aliaskYeah, I'll give you a link to the cached version.
17:12:50webguest21ok thanks
17:12:59webguest21other little question please
17:13:07webguest21about the snap font
17:13:16rasherWhat about it?
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17:13:45aliaskwebguest21: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:iV-vaRt8HvgJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS+site:rockbox.org+custom+wps&hl=en&client=firefox-a
17:14:04webguest21do you know a font with same size
17:14:16rasherrockfont-8 I think
17:14:24webguest21I can't look at it well, and lot of WPS using this font
17:14:56webguest21are there bold fonts?
17:15:08webguest21aliask: thanks
17:15:24aliaskNo probs.
17:15:39rasherwebguest21: don't think so
17:15:47webguest21is there a flatty snap?
17:15:55webguest21ok
17:16:10webguest21or equivalent in terme in size
17:17:20webguest21rasher: rockfont-8 is in .rockbox dir or need to dowload it?
17:17:30rasherIt should be included
17:17:40webguest21ok i'll look
17:17:57rasherIt isn't same size though
17:17:59rasherhang on
17:18:06rasherThere's one which is
17:18:57webguest21:(
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17:19:19]RowaN[what happened about the idea of putting the main rockbox executable inside the .rockbox dir?
17:19:23webguest21anyone to dowloaded?
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17:19:32webguest21@rasher
17:19:59rasheryou could try looking at rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/
17:20:31webguest21I already looked but there are a lot
17:20:35rasheralt6x10 is (included with rockbox)
17:20:45rasheror 6x10
17:20:47webguest21and don't have simulator for test them
17:20:49rasherboth are same height
17:20:55webguest21ok I trying
17:21:50webguest21:(
17:21:54rasherWhat?
17:22:04webguest21languages problems
17:22:16webguest21not compatible with french :(
17:22:27webguest21pitty it was the same size
17:22:28Learrowan: not possible for some (probably most) modesl.
17:22:38rasherwebguest21: 6x10 is
17:23:03rasheralt6x10 isn't.
17:23:07webguest21alt6*10
17:23:26aliaskG'night everyone, good luck with the wiki.
17:23:28rasherrasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/75dpi/helvB10-L1.fnt">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/75dpi/helvB10-L1.fnt might be the same size
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17:23:45webguest21oh that rocks
17:23:55webguest21thanks rasher
17:24:59webguest21any flatty font?
17:25:22rasherflatty?
17:25:34webguest21I'm habit with neodore 8
17:25:56webguest21bold I believe in english?
17:26:35rasherAh yes. Not that I know of
17:27:04webguest21bold is good for readability :)
17:27:59webguest21I think I will use your WPS rasher
17:28:07webguest21it sounds good
17:28:20webguest21snap font too :(
17:28:32webguest216*10 now :)
17:29:06webguest21snap in bold could be very beautiful and easy to read
17:29:21webguest21any way to make it?
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17:30:29webguest21how can I add it to my .rockbox?
17:31:10Shapeshifter rasher: did you do the snapwise wps?
17:31:10webguest21rasher?
17:33:10rasherI didn't make the snapwise wps, no
17:33:30rasherwebguest21: Sure it can be done.. I might even do it some day
17:33:43webguest21is it easy to do?
17:34:41rasherIf you have a font editor, it isn't too hard
17:35:08webguest21for a newbee like me is it easy too? :)
17:35:36webguest21I don't have font editor, I'm windoze user :(
17:36:06rasherProbably not, no
17:36:21rasherI didn't think I'd ever say this, but.. Hurray for MSN search!
17:36:29rasher(it caches more)
17:36:54webguest21for wiki restore?
17:37:11rasherYeah
17:37:28webguest21is it good to hear
17:39:24webguest21rasher: how can I do this font edition please, or if you have few seconds for help me can you do it for me if you did already an font editor please?
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17:42:45rasherwebguest21: I don't know how to get a bdf font editor working on windows, sorry
17:42:58rasherwebguest21: I'll do a bold snap later today probably
17:43:35webguest21thanks a lot for this I will use your WPS screen witout problem
17:44:06webguest21I will back later tanks again and bye all
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17:49:51linuxstbrasher: I've a few pages in my browser's cache on my laptop (from yesterday). So I can help a little with the repairs.
17:51:24rasherGood thinking
17:51:35rasherI have most pages up to date actually, I think
17:51:49rasherof those that have been changed between sep. 2 and sep. 16 at least
17:53:28rasherI need to find a cache of "webchanges" that shows older changes :-\
17:53:51LearWhat, was the wiki problem something serious?
17:54:39rasherIt's gone.
17:54:54rasherLast backup is "about a month old"
17:55:06LearAny idea what happened?
17:55:35rasherSomeone exploited a bug in twiki and deleted everything
17:56:06LearOuch. That's mean...
17:56:22rasherTotally.
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18:32:28goamh, when setting the max dirs per folder to 10000 or near to that number my ihp 140 freezes up within the next few seconds.. is this something known?
18:32:46goaup to 5000 seems to work ok..
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18:33:20bluebrother^it is known to make problems when setting the value too high
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18:33:43goaok
18:34:00bluebrother^but I don't know the exact value
18:34:29bluebrother^If you don't need a higher value stick at the defaults (was always sufficient for me)
18:34:45goa400 was to low for me :/
18:35:19goai have lots of unsorted stuff in one dir..
18:35:40bluebrother^this would be to much messed up for me
18:36:04goasure, if i find the time.. :/
18:36:23bluebrother^IIRC the playlist value is more problematic.
18:36:38bluebrother^but I could be wrong ... try searching the forums.
18:36:38rashergoa: so set it to 1500 - works for me
18:36:45goarasher: ok
18:36:51rasheror 2000, or whatever is the minimum that works for you
18:36:58goa1500 is ok
18:37:02rasherdon't just yank it way up
18:37:08goaok =)
18:37:18rasherBut it Rockbox still shouldn't freeze, of course
18:38:38rasherLooks like we won't be missing that much from the crash
18:38:49rasherEr.. exploit, I guess
18:38:58rasherMost pages are in the google cache
18:39:08rasherOf course rewriting html > wiki will be a pain
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18:39:46goathere is no backup of it?
18:40:08rasherThere is - 1 month old unfortunately
18:40:13rasherbut way better than nothing of course
18:43:38goahmm, is there anything i could help rockbox besides writing code (don't have the time)? i work at an isp, maybe we could provide better hosting, or a server, or whatever might be needed..
18:44:14rasherI think hosting and server is pretty covered
18:44:18goaok
18:44:26rasherWriting documentation is always helpful
18:45:24rasherOf course now that the wiki is AWOL, that's a bit hard
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18:46:49goai fear i'm not the right person to do that, i'm using rockbox for only two weeks or so.. and i did not even read the existing docs, it just worked the way i expected it to do :)
18:47:54goaanyway, thanks for this great software.
18:48:02rasherHanging around here trying to answer questions
18:48:20goaok :)\
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19:02:32rasherLooks like archive.org doesn't like rockbox.org.
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19:25:11rasherI now have copies of all pages that have been changed since August 6th.
19:25:23rasherSome pages have lost a couple of revisions
19:25:57rasherBut it's not *that* bad, assuming the backup can be restored
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19:33:33]RowaN[anyone know a program that can copy file dates? i have a backup of my mp3s from ages ago, and i want to copy the dates over onto my current set (which foobar buggered up when it retagged them)
19:34:32rasherno idea
19:34:35fuzzierasher: excellent
19:34:40bluebrother^]RowaN[: touch.
19:34:47rasherfuzzie: hm?
19:34:52bluebrother^IIRC :-)
19:35:28]RowaN[cool thanks
19:35:32]RowaN[http://www.ss64.com/nt/touch.html
19:36:14*rasher didn't know touch could actually *do* stuff
19:38:09bluebrother^:)
19:44:29*HCl looks around
19:44:44*HCl goes to test his new database design
19:45:02Moosgo go go :D
19:45:24dpassen1good luck
19:46:21HClthanks :p
19:46:29HClits not that big a change, i'm sure it'll be fine
19:46:40dpassen1what are the differences?
19:46:41HClthe only annoying bit is that it bumps the version of both the tagdatabase and the runtime database
19:46:59HClan extra field that describes the hashing algorithm used to generate the filehash
19:47:12HClto support different types of hashing, and hashtype upgrades
19:47:19HCland having no hash
19:48:20HClwithout it, we can't upgrade the hashing algorithm without making everyone's runtime database garbage
19:48:57Moosgood improuvment
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20:00:36HCli'm not good with perl...
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20:05:47*HCl reads his perl cookbook
20:06:03HCloi.
20:06:06HClwhy am i getting a 404
20:06:09HClon our WebHome
20:06:12HClfor the rockbox wiki?
20:06:14rasherThe wiki is dead
20:06:20HCloi
20:06:22HClsince when
20:06:27HClis it backupped?
20:06:30rasherLast night I think.. There was an exploit
20:06:35HCloi.
20:06:39HClnot good.
20:06:39rasherBackup is about a month old :-\
20:06:45HCl>.<;
20:06:48HClgah.
20:06:49rasherI've pulled most pages from google
20:06:52rasherAs html though
20:07:02rasherA few pages have lost some revisions
20:07:06rasherit's not too bad
20:07:18rasherBut it *will* take a while to reconstruct from html pages
20:07:38HClmerf.
20:07:44HClcan you put them online somewhere?
20:07:48HCli need my database v2 document
20:07:52rasherI'm in the process of doing just that
20:07:55rasherhang on
20:08:31rasherrasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/WikiRescue/DatabaseV2-r1.63%20-%2009-06.txt">http://rasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/WikiRescue/DatabaseV2-r1.63%20-%2009-06.txt
20:08:36rasherThat's in wiki syntax
20:08:52rasherhttp://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:VYSfumTBn4sJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2+site:rockbox.org+inurl:DatabaseV2&hl=en
20:08:57rasherGoogle cache of the page
20:09:02HClthanks
20:09:17HClnot bad
20:09:21HClthats actually my last version
20:09:42rasherYup
20:10:00rasherVery few pages have lost revisions
20:10:15rasher(except user-pages perhaps - I haven't bothered with those)
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20:12:16HClmhm
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20:16:59rasherEvening B4gder
20:18:15B4gderhey
20:18:28B4gderthe mailing list is gone too
20:19:14rasher><
20:19:43rasherI'm totally not digging those out from google
20:20:28B4gderI meant the addresses and so
20:21:07rasherAh.. Now that's annoying
20:21:23rasherAlthough a backup-restore will fix most of that I guess?
20:21:30B4gderyes
20:21:39rasherand people will just have to re-subscribe
20:21:42B4gderand I found a log with all subscribe/remove since too
20:21:47rasherNice
20:23:33B4gderbbl
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20:33:56rasherOkay, I have most of the wiki saved from google
20:34:04LinusNsaw that, good work
20:37:42rasherrasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/
20:38:40rasherThat's all pages that have been modified since August 6th
20:38:47rasher(except userpages)
20:39:38LinusNwow
20:40:18LinusNgood work indeed
20:40:35rasherSo the contents are mostly saved
20:40:56rasherrewriting in wikisyntax is going to be a bitch
20:41:13LinusNyup
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20:41:47rasherGoogle and MSN isn't very interested in caching the "raw" versions of the pages
20:41:54bbzrasher: <3
20:41:54fuzzierasher: i could help.. when's the wiki backup going up?
20:41:55arpso someone really deleted the whole wiki
20:42:01arpand there were no backups?
20:42:09fuzziearp: old backups
20:42:12LinusNthe backup is old
20:42:23rasherbbz: godday
20:42:23arpdid you get the IP of the bastard?
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20:42:29LinusNyes
20:42:33bbzrasher: Come back, we miss you.
20:43:16Jefewhere can I get a RVFmux filter?
20:43:20LinusNthe backup will hopefully be restored this weekend, but don't count on it
20:43:25HClwhyyy aren't i getting an error
20:43:30HCli should be getting an error
20:43:32SlasheriHmm, how large is the whole wiki? I think we could backup it somewhere in the network in future
20:43:50LinusNSlasheri: we have a very good backup system
20:44:06SlasheriLinusN: ah, that's good to hear. Hopefully they will work soon again
20:44:28LinusNyes, it's a pity that it wasn't working when this happened
20:45:11LinusNrockbox is running on a non-mission-critical server, so we haven't worked that hard to get it working
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20:45:45rasherRockbox isn't mission-critical?!
20:45:49LinusNnot for us
20:45:51Slasherihow about a simple rsync script that would mirror the wiki etc. or even the whole hard disk of that server somewhere? Should be quite easy to set up
20:45:57rasherI kid
20:46:25LinusNSlasheri: that is pretty much how our backup works
20:46:57Slasherihmm, ok
20:47:20LinusNwe use amanda
20:47:46Slasheriah, then the backups should be quite good when the system is working
20:47:53LinusNyes
20:47:56arpmost things are good when they work :)
20:48:00Slasheri:D
20:48:02arpmost things arent so good when they dont work :(
20:48:03LinusNarp: true true
20:48:10arpspeaking of working
20:48:17arpdoes rockbox work on the iriver h10?
20:48:21LinusNno
20:48:23arpokay
20:49:30LinusNman don'r ask such stupid questions! search the wiki goddammit! ...eeeh...wait a minute... :-)
20:50:21LinusNgotta go again
20:50:25LinusNl8rs
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20:50:35arp:)
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20:54:51webguest21Hi, who delet the WIKI?
20:55:02rasherSome russian guy.
20:55:04fuzziesome random .ru guy
20:55:14rasherIt'll be back eventually
20:55:34rasherThere's a backup from a month ago, and most pages have been found in the google cache
20:57:13fuzziei'm basically assuming most of the pages will just need simple edits
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20:57:23fuzzierather than rewriting chunks in wiki syntax
20:57:31rasherOh yes
20:57:32fuzzieso it doesn't sound very difficult to do, once the backups are up
20:57:33rasherof course
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21:18:53webguest93Re folks!
21:19:13webguest93rasher: I'm back
21:19:24rasherEvening
21:19:31webguest93hi
21:19:48webguest93it was about snap bold font
21:20:23webguest93you remenber?
21:20:45rasherYeah
21:21:14webguest93did you find few minutes for it please?
21:21:22rashernot yet
21:21:35webguest93ok
21:24:46webguest93I stay here if you find a bit of time
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21:52:50]RowaN[hmm that Touch program lets u set time/dates for a file, but it has no function to copy time/date from one file to another
21:53:12bbzIt does.
21:53:38bbzA simple touch −−help reveals that -r uses another file as reference.
21:53:44bbzHTH, HAND.
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22:46:49HClwhy did i ever remove perl.exe from my iriver
22:47:21Paul_The_NerdBecause you're a wee bit loco?
22:47:57HClloco?
22:48:54Bagderspanish
22:48:59Paul_The_Nerd"crazy"
22:49:02HCloh.
22:49:02Paul_The_NerdSorry
22:50:09HClits fine :p
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23:14:22amiconnMerf.
23:22:33rasherwebguest93: I probably won't look at it today afterall.. it's a bit more work than I thought
23:23:13webguest93o.o ok
23:23:20webguest93thanks so
23:23:54webguest93maybe can I do it myself, no?
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23:24:26rasherSure, go ahead. As I said, I can't help you much, because I don't know how to get a working font editor in Windows
23:24:35amiconnAh, at least the old docs/ folder is still there
23:25:15rasherI don't think that much has been lost, assuming the backup will restore nicely
23:25:32webguest93rasher: ok I will wait for you if you'll can a bit of time for do it on other day
23:25:52webguest93if is still planed
23:26:09rasherI will probably do it some day
23:26:32webguest93I hope soon B-)
23:27:21webguest93good night to all
23:27:33webguest93rasher: thanks
23:27:39rasherNight.
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23:28:14rasheramiconn: google has pretty much every page in an up-to-date version in cache
23:28:32amiconnIncluding file attachments?
23:28:47rasherNot file attachments, no
23:28:50amiconnI needed the recorder schematics
23:29:02rasherIt has pdfs
23:29:16rasher(as html)
23:29:31amiconnurgs
23:30:21rasherYup
23:30:46Paul_The_NerdSo... um... what happened?
23:31:00amiconnI still wonder why there is no current backup.
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23:31:11rasherSomeone deleted lots of crap from the server, notably all of the wiki
23:31:15rasherUsing a twiki exploit
23:31:23amiconnAt work we backup almost all servers
23:31:24Paul_The_NerdAaah
23:31:33Paul_The_NerdSo, it was malicious?
23:31:41amiconnData daily, systems weekly
23:31:46Bagderamiconn: because this is a "play server"
23:31:51Bagderand we do backup
23:32:04rasherPaul_The_Nerd: Indeedly
23:32:05Bagderits just that it has been malfunctioning for a few weeks
23:32:18Paul_The_NerdUgh.
23:32:28Bagderit was a rm /
23:32:32Bagdervery much on purpose
23:32:49amiconnBagder: I know, and that's what I don't understand.
23:32:53Paul_The_NerdD'you have enough to find out who?
23:33:03rasherIt was some Russian ip
23:33:06Bagderamiconn: what's so hard to understand?
23:33:07rashernot much to go by
23:33:09Moosbadluck
23:33:13Paul_The_NerdAaah
23:33:16amiconnIf a backup system isn't working properly, there's always the option to do a file backup to another system
23:33:22Bagderyes
23:33:24Bagdersure
23:33:28amiconnEven if that other system is just a plain workstation
23:33:28Bagderbut days are 24 hours
23:33:45amiconnThose things can be automated
23:33:51Bagderyes
23:33:52Bagderthey are
23:33:59Bagderthey were just broken
23:34:11Bagderthat _never_ happened to you?
23:34:36Moosyes apear is it the badluck cause and th russian too
23:34:38amiconnYes it did. I have my share of experiences with failing systems
23:35:02amiconn(for all kinds of reason - user error, software failure, hardware failure)
23:35:13Bagderat times you think "oh what the heck, we fix that later"
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23:35:20amiconnThat's why I'm almost paranoid about backups
23:36:15amiconnIn windows, setting up a file backup to another machine is just like 5 minutes of clicking
23:36:24Bagderwell
23:36:30amiconn(automated backup, of course)
23:36:30Bagdernot quite
23:36:43Bagderyou draw conclusions
23:36:58Bagderit would need access to another machine
23:37:14amiconnyes of course
23:37:17Bagderthus, firewall fiddling/access editing
23:37:30Bagderbesides
23:37:40Bagderah, nevermind
23:37:44BagderI won't get into this
23:38:08rasherSo any idea of when the backup will be restored?
23:38:38Bagdernot really, but hopefully no later than monday
23:39:03rasherokay
23:39:18Bagderthis affects other projects as well, so it hurts all over
23:39:30BagderI mean, on the same server
23:39:36rasherWhat else is hosted there?
23:40:11Bagdervarious things, but what got hit now is at least the mailing lists for curl and c-ares
23:40:25rasheroops
23:41:24bbzDoes amiconn always blame his incompetence on a perceived Linux shortcoming or what?
23:41:42amiconn???
23:42:50fuzzieyour ranting about backups
23:42:58bbzWhy bring Windows into it?
23:43:07amiconnThis was just an example
23:43:18amiconnHas nothing to do with windows vs. Linus
23:43:23amiconn*Linux
23:44:31bbzWhy am I in here, anyway?
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23:45:00Moos???
23:55:02linuxstbThe date in the news item on the front page is a month in the future. If only we had had a month's notice :)
23:55:17Bagder:-)
23:55:24linuxstbWishful thinking?
23:56:37rasherBagder: if you're fixing that, it might also be of interest to note that the mailing list is dead as well
23:57:20Bagderdone
23:57:57amiconnThis security hole seems to be known for a year according to twiki.org ...
23:58:24amiconn:(
23:58:31Bagder!

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