| 00:00:16 | rasher | Update 13 Sep 2005: Please upgrade to TWikiRelease03Sep2004 or apply patch for SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithRev. −− PeterThoeny - 13 Sep 2005 |
| 00:00:17 | amiconn | http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithRev , http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithSearch |
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| 00:01:19 | rasher | Man, every release were affected |
| 00:01:38 | rasher | ah, no |
| 00:02:37 | Bagder | the rev thing was used against us |
| 00:02:51 | solex_ | um, where's the publication date of these alerts? |
| 00:03:28 | Bagder | they are wiki pages, you can check their history |
| 00:03:43 | Bagder | the rev page is from sep 9 2005 |
| 00:03:57 | rasher | Yeah |
| 00:04:09 | rasher | Researcher discloses issue 2005-09-09 |
| 00:04:25 | solex_ | thx, found it, too |
| 00:04:35 | amiconn | That's ... odd |
| 00:04:55 | Bagder | and they seemed to have announced it widely on sep 13 |
| 00:05:15 | linuxstb | Was Rockbox included in " 5. Compile e-mail list of administrators of public TWiki sites" ? |
| 00:05:25 | Bagder | nope |
| 00:05:28 | solex_ | and heise.de published it on sep 16 |
| 00:05:38 | solex_ | not exactly 0-day, but close |
| 00:06:27 | Bagder | the actual delete was made 23:17 CET on the 16th |
| 00:06:38 | amiconn | Why do they publish an article about such a serious security hole one year after fixing it??? |
| 00:07:04 | solex_ | amiconn: there have been two vulnerabilities |
| 00:07:07 | Bagder | this was not fixed |
| 00:07:10 | Bagder | until just then |
| 00:07:28 | amiconn | Bagder: My first thought was that you or Linus took it offline because of someone mentioning this flaw here in the channel... |
| 00:07:29 | Bagder | according to that page at least |
| 00:07:48 | solex_ | the first one (from 2004) was used to attack a wiki from the german chaos computer club |
| 00:07:50 | Bagder | amiconn: I noticed that mention and I mailed both Linus and Zagor |
| 00:07:57 | Bagder | but it wasn't good enough |
| 00:07:59 | solex_ | (europe's largest hacker org) |
| 00:08:25 | amiconn | Bagder: I know that there were two vulnerabilities, the Rev thing being the second |
| 00:08:28 | Bagder | in retrospect, of course I should've shutdown the twiki parts |
| 00:08:47 | solex_ | Bagder: well, you learn from these things |
| 00:08:52 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:09:17 | Bagder | we've been hit before :-/ |
| 00:09:23 | solex_ | after reading #rockbox today, i immediately switched off clamav on my machine since there's a vulnerability, too- |
| 00:09:30 | solex_ | D'ouh! |
| 00:09:31 | amiconn | However http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SecurityAlertExecuteCommandsWithRev says that releases up to TWikiRelease02Sep2004 are vulnerable, and TWikiRelease03Sep2004 fixes it |
| 00:09:34 | amiconn | 2004 (!) |
| 00:10:21 | rasher | NOTE: If you are running an unmodified TWikiRelease02Sep2004, simply copy the patched lib/TWiki/Store.pm, |
| 00:10:27 | rasher | Eh. |
| 00:10:30 | rasher | Nevermind. |
| 00:10:32 | amiconn | Ah, an additional patch is needed, but that's from Feb 2005... |
| 00:11:02 | Bagder | I think it is just their naming that is confusing |
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| 00:11:09 | Bagder | they seem to have made the fix on sep 11 2005 |
| 00:11:38 | Bagder | not that it matters now |
| 00:12:21 | amiconn | Hmm, indeed a confusing scheme.... |
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| 00:29:58 | amiconn | Another archos firmware test recording hung after 10 h 47 min |
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| 00:31:37 | Bagder | 36 different IP addresses have used the twiki flaw |
| 00:33:31 | Bagder | http://www.groupiys.net/xpl/dc.txt |
| 00:33:41 | Bagder | seems to be a popular backdoor attempt |
| 00:34:13 | rasher | ooh, they've been trying to backdoor you? |
| 00:34:28 | Bagder | lots of those guys tried hard |
| 00:34:57 | * | amiconn 's machine is lagging like hell atm |
| 00:35:18 | amiconn | Loading a 700 MB file into the hex editor... |
| 00:35:47 | rasher | Why is your hex editor caching the entire file? |
| 00:35:56 | amiconn | Fast searching... |
| 00:36:05 | rasher | Sounds silly for such a large file |
| 00:36:15 | amiconn | Now it's running fine. |
| 00:36:22 | amiconn | My machine has 1 GB of RAM |
| 00:37:09 | rasher | That leaves 300mb.. I guess XP is breathing heavily now :( |
| 00:37:25 | amiconn | No, everything running smooth again |
| 00:37:43 | amiconn | (with like a dozen programs opened in parallel) |
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| 00:41:33 | webguest67 | hi everybody |
| 00:41:47 | rasher | Evening. |
| 00:42:04 | webguest67 | hi rasher |
| 00:43:27 | webguest67 | i just started getting into rockbox and when i load a wps with a bitmap it doesn't show up, any ideas of how to fix this? |
| 00:43:50 | rasher | Use the correct syntax :) |
| 00:43:55 | rasher | I'd point you at the wiki, but.. |
| 00:43:56 | rasher | hang on |
| 00:44:28 | rasher | rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/CustomWPS-r1.29%20-%2009-07.html">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/CustomWPS-r1.29%20-%2009-07.html |
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| 00:57:29 | Bagder | someone did run processes on the server |
| 00:58:04 | rasher | Uh-oh |
| 00:58:25 | Bagder | as the http user |
| 00:58:46 | rasher | would need an apache exploit for that to be really useful |
| 00:58:58 | Bagder | or any other local exploit |
| 00:59:10 | rasher | oh, true that |
| 00:59:40 | rasher | well at least there's a pretty well-documented point-of-entry |
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| 01:00:31 | fuzzie | it's a lot more worrying when you can't tell where they got in |
| 01:00:32 | Bagder | yes |
| 01:00:52 | Bagder | but still, seing a 'bash' running that ain't us... |
| 01:01:34 | Bagder | but I really don't want to shut it down completely |
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| 01:07:48 | Bagder | I've kept the scripts for later analysis, now I need sleep |
| 01:07:53 | Bagder | night |
| 01:08:08 | rasher | night |
| 01:09:19 | webguest67 | that worked! |
| 01:09:36 | webguest67 | thanks rasher |
| 01:10:00 | rasher | You're welcome. |
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| 02:58:18 | bitshift | hey |
| 02:59:10 | DarkShadow | Hey! |
| 02:59:37 | DarkShadow | I'm having a problem with creating a song database for my H120. |
| 02:59:38 | bitshift | whats happening |
| 02:59:48 | bitshift | any info for rockbox on iaudio x5? |
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| 03:00:00 | DarkShadow | When I run the .bat to make the database, a dos prompt just flashes onto my screen, then closes, and it doesn't do anything. |
| 03:00:41 | rasher | bitshift: not really.. haven't heard from the guy working on it for a while |
| 03:01:21 | bitshift | what involves developing such software for the device? |
| 03:02:12 | rasher | First making a way to run your own code on the device, then writing drivers for Rockbox, I guess |
| 03:02:37 | rasher | DarkShadow: what error message do you get? |
| 03:03:09 | DarkShadow | I don't get an error message. |
| 03:03:21 | rasher | what does it say in the dos prompt? |
| 03:03:33 | DarkShadow | The dos prompt just pops up too fast for me to read, then closes. |
| 03:03:55 | rasher | run the .bat from within a dos prompt |
| 03:04:17 | DarkShadow | How do I get to F/.rockbox though? |
| 03:04:29 | DarkShadow | When I tried it, the dos prompt didn't like the period before the folder. |
| 03:04:53 | rasher | haha, silly windows |
| 03:04:56 | rasher | no idea |
| 03:05:06 | DarkShadow | :-P |
| 03:05:36 | fuzzie | cd ".rockbox" works here |
| 03:05:42 | DarkShadow | I think there's a code thing you can put on the end /(something) when running it to make it stop...not sure what it is though. |
| 03:05:58 | DarkShadow | With the parenthesis? |
| 03:06:24 | fuzzie | no, with the double-quotes. |
| 03:07:00 | fuzzie | unless i'm mistaken about the meaning, dictionary isn't very helpful |
| 03:07:21 | DarkShadow | It says Invalid Directory. |
| 03:07:34 | fuzzie | and this is win2000/XP? |
| 03:07:35 | DarkShadow | It even shows it when I do 'dir'... it has it with the period before too. |
| 03:07:43 | DarkShadow | Yeah, XP. |
| 03:08:00 | fuzzie | that's strange |
| 03:08:07 | rasher | And I guess you're on the right drive if you see it |
| 03:08:11 | fuzzie | if you use properties on the batch file, can you not configure it so it doesn't close the window? |
| 03:08:28 | DarkShadow | I'll check. |
| 03:09:02 | DarkShadow | Umm. |
| 03:09:15 | DarkShadow | It doesn't really have anything. |
| 03:10:48 | DarkShadow | Hmm. |
| 03:11:52 | DarkShadow | Ooh.. |
| 03:11:59 | DarkShadow | I renamed rockbox without the period, and ran it in command, and now it's working. |
| 03:12:06 | DarkShadow | It had an error, I was missing a file. |
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| 03:12:41 | DarkShadow | Do both of you use the DB? |
| 03:12:49 | DarkShadow | Hey! |
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| 03:20:05 | DarkShadow | Umm. |
| 03:20:17 | DarkShadow | My H120 says 'Codec Failure' now...and I can't turn it off. |
| 03:20:44 | rasher | Did you move .rockbox back? |
| 03:21:11 | DarkShadow | Yeah. |
| 03:21:25 | rasher | reinstall rockbox, and make sure you overwrite all files |
| 03:21:35 | DarkShadow | Well... I couldn't rename it .rockbox...so I copied it back over. |
| 03:21:50 | DarkShadow | That's what I was planning on doing, but I can't get this to do anything. |
| 03:21:57 | DarkShadow | It's like frozen. |
| 03:22:09 | DarkShadow | Plugging it into USB doesn't do anything either. |
| 03:22:18 | rasher | Reset it then |
| 03:22:45 | DarkShadow | Ah...there's the button. ;) |
| 03:26:10 | DarkShadow | How do I restart everything? |
| 03:26:33 | DarkShadow | It says "error accessing playlist control (file?)' |
| 03:27:19 | rasher | plug in usb and reinstall |
| 03:27:34 | DarkShadow | How? |
| 03:27:46 | rasher | What do you mean how? |
| 03:27:52 | rasher | You've done this before, surely |
| 03:28:07 | DarkShadow | Uhh, is it called flashing it? |
| 03:28:27 | rasher | no... just unzip rockbox.zip unto the drive |
| 03:28:49 | DarkShadow | I did...and it still has that error. |
| 03:29:22 | rasher | when? |
| 03:29:26 | rasher | can't you just ignore it |
| 03:30:15 | DarkShadow | The boot thing comes up, then the Rockbox logo, then it pops up infront of the Rockbox picture... "Error accessing playlist control file" |
| 03:31:05 | rasher | can't you just make it go away? |
| 03:31:11 | rasher | press stop or select or something |
| 03:32:16 | DarkShadow | ah... I got it now. |
| 03:32:25 | DarkShadow | How do I get that playlist thing working though? |
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| 03:32:55 | rasher | should be fixed next time you create a playlist I think |
| 03:34:28 | DarkShadow | Ah...brilliant, thanks. |
| 03:36:41 | DarkShadow | Another thing... I was reading through the forums the other day how Rockbox had the problem of letting the mp3 player run out of battery, and that polymer batteries get damaged when they run out of batteries. |
| 03:36:53 | DarkShadow | So...just the other day, I didn't know it was on, and it totally ran out of battery. |
| 03:37:44 | rasher | I don't think Rockbox can run them far enough down as to damage them |
| 03:37:52 | rasher | not sure though |
| 03:39:13 | DarkShadow | Okay...then what would the worry be? |
| 03:39:33 | rasher | that Rockbox failed to actually shut down |
| 03:39:45 | DarkShadow | Ah. |
| 03:39:49 | rasher | because it tried to spin up the harddisk, which it couldn't |
| 03:39:50 | DarkShadow | So only that it wouldn't save the playlist or something? |
| 03:40:19 | rasher | well that, and it'd sit there trying to spin up the harddisk |
| 03:40:41 | DarkShadow | Ah. |
| 03:40:43 | DarkShadow | Well that's a relief. |
| 03:40:46 | DarkShadow | Thanks much! :) |
| 03:41:07 | DarkShadow | Do you use the database? |
| 03:41:31 | rasher | not really |
| 03:41:49 | DarkShadow | Just file tree? |
| 03:42:12 | rasher | yes |
| 03:43:24 | DarkShadow | Ah. |
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| 03:50:39 | DarkShadow | Is there a limit to the speed that scrolling increases two when going down a big list? |
| 03:50:52 | DarkShadow | It takes me like a minute and a half to scroll through the list of all my songs. |
| 03:51:24 | rasher | yes |
| 03:51:31 | rasher | eh |
| 03:51:31 | rasher | no idea |
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| 03:52:01 | DarkShadow | Whee. |
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| 03:55:36 | DarkShadow | Anyone here now? |
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| 03:56:53 | DJ_Dooms_Day|AF | kinda |
| 03:57:19 | DarkShadow | How do you record with rockbox? |
| 03:57:30 | DarkShadow | Messing around with it for a while now, I haven't found it. :-P |
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| 03:58:48 | DJ_Dooms_Day|AF | i dont think you can yet |
| 03:59:03 | DJ_Dooms_Day|AF | their still adding a lot of thins |
| 03:59:19 | DarkShadow | I guess that would explain it. :-P |
| 03:59:20 | DarkShadow | Ah. |
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| 04:03:19 | DarkShadow | How do you install .patch files? (I'm trying to have a different keyboard−−keyboard.patch) |
| 04:03:56 | fuzzie | i think there's a record option in the debug menu? |
| 04:04:00 | fuzzie | but .. it breaks stuff |
| 04:05:38 | DarkShadow | Oh..haha. |
| 04:05:42 | DarkShadow | Alright, I'll avoid it then. |
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| 04:05:55 | DarkShadow | Hey. |
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| 04:15:13 | DarkShadow | Well I think I'll head off for now. |
| 04:15:19 | DarkShadow | Thanks so much for all your help, Fuzzie. |
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| 09:23:57 | Slasheri | What was the maximum file size rockbox supports? Just thinking if i could record 4h continuously with iriver.. |
| 09:25:02 | Slasheri | if it's around 2GB (2^31), that is not possible then because there is no currently file splitting |
| 09:50:24 | amiconn | 2GB |
| 09:50:46 | amiconn | You shouldn't try more, as the recording code doesn't check for that iirc |
| 09:51:31 | amiconn | (on iriver) |
| 09:52:11 | Slasheri | ok, then i will try manually stopping and restarting the recording after two hours :) |
| 09:52:44 | Slasheri | btw, does original firmware support longer recordings to wav files? |
| 09:54:33 | amiconn | I have no idea |
| 09:54:42 | amiconn | Never recorded with the original firmware |
| 09:54:55 | Slasheri | ah, almost same here |
| 09:55:21 | Slasheri | Hmm, or maybe i have enough time to code the splitting feature before recording.. =) |
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| 10:02:11 | pengo | Slasheri, ihp120 has recording limits under 60 mins.. definately wouldn't record longer than 74min.. there were different limits for wav and mp3 recording.. can't remember exactly |
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| 10:04:20 | Slasheri | huh.. that's not good |
| 10:04:33 | pengo | (with original firmware) |
| 10:04:41 | Slasheri | at least over 3h to wav shouldn't be a problem |
| 10:04:42 | Slasheri | yes |
| 10:04:57 | Slasheri | but there must be something weirdness in the code then |
| 10:05:01 | pengo | that's what's stated in the manual at least |
| 10:05:12 | pengo | i'm not sure i've ever tried recording that long |
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| 11:06:27 | Slasheri | Hmm, the wav splitting seems to work well :) Now listening the recorded files (splitted to 1 MB per file) with iriver and playback is continuous |
| 11:06:42 | pengo | cool |
| 11:06:57 | pengo | i hope you make the default larger tho :) |
| 11:07:04 | Slasheri | hehe, sure :D |
| 11:07:04 | pengo | and make it auto generate a playlist file |
| 11:12:29 | Slasheri | now it will name the files following: rec_0001_00.wav, rec_0001_01.wav, ... Maybe two digits is enough if we have something like 650MB - 2 GB file size (should be configurable) |
| 11:13:16 | pengo | hmm |
| 11:13:24 | pengo | shouldn't have an extra ending if there's only one file |
| 11:13:29 | amiconn | Why double numbering? |
| 11:14:07 | Slasheri | pengo: Hmm, so the numbering should go: rec_0001.wav, rec_0001_02.wav, rec_0001_03.wav or something like that? |
| 11:14:15 | pengo | Slasheri, yeah i reckon |
| 11:14:24 | Slasheri | ok, that sounds better :) |
| 11:14:31 | pengo | tho it's still confusing looking.. |
| 11:14:40 | Slasheri | true.. but files will sort right |
| 11:14:45 | pengo | yup |
| 11:15:14 | amiconn | The numbering should go rec_0001.wav, rec_0002.wav etc |
| 11:15:27 | Slasheri | amiconn: no, if we are splitting the current file? |
| 11:15:32 | amiconn | Yes |
| 11:15:36 | Slasheri | Hmm.. |
| 11:15:40 | pengo | amiconn might be right. |
| 11:15:56 | Slasheri | maybe that's better.. |
| 11:16:00 | amiconn | This is how the already existing recording screen handles it. |
| 11:16:33 | pengo | Slasheri, you could have a rec_0001.wav, rec_0002.wav, and rec_0001.m3u (or whatever playlist format) |
| 11:16:39 | amiconn | On archos, you can set automatic time split, can do a manual split by a button press, and finally it auto-splits when approaching the 2GB barrier |
| 11:17:04 | pengo | interestink |
| 11:17:20 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, will the recording screen in debug menu be the future recording menu on iriver or will it change? If not, i could implement menu system there etc. to set the recording parameters |
| 11:17:51 | amiconn | Why diversify code??? |
| 11:18:11 | Slasheri | hmm? |
| 11:18:13 | amiconn | There already is a recording screen. Imho we should use as much common code as possible |
| 11:18:39 | Slasheri | ah, so then we should port that screen to work |
| 11:19:16 | amiconn | Yes |
| 11:21:37 | amiconn | Away now |
| 11:23:05 | pengo | is there any widget code in rockbox? |
| 11:23:17 | pengo | like buttons and menus and stuff |
| 11:26:03 | HCl | unfortunately not really |
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| 11:34:13 | linuxstb_ | There is a menu "widget". And maybe one or two more - e.g. the progress bar used in the WPS screen. |
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| 12:01:56 | Shapeshifter | may I ask a question about a wps? |
| 12:03:28 | linuxstb_ | Go ahead. |
| 12:03:35 | ze | yes, but now you have used your single question daily allotment. |
| 12:03:46 | Shapeshifter | lol ok... |
| 12:05:44 | Shapeshifter | Since I upgraded to the last rockbox version, none of the images used in the wps are beeing shown. e.g. in snapwise: |
| 12:05:44 | Shapeshifter | #Snapwise v1.0, made by Aru (aru@jhu.edu) |
| 12:05:44 | Shapeshifter | %x0|snapwisebg.bmp|0|0| |
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| 12:05:44 | Shapeshifter | %ac%s%?ia<%ia|%d2> |
| 12:05:45 | Shapeshifter | %ac%s%?id<%id|%d1> |
| 12:05:47 | Shapeshifter | %ac%s%?it<%?in<%in - |>%it|%fn> |
| 12:05:51 | Shapeshifter | %ac%pc/%pt |
| 12:05:53 | Shapeshifter | %pb |
| 12:05:57 | Shapeshifter | %ac%s%?Ia<%Ia|%D2> |
| 12:05:59 | Shapeshifter | %ac%s%?Id<%Id|%D1> |
| 12:06:01 | Shapeshifter | %ac%s%?It<%?In<%In - |>%It|%Fn> |
| 12:06:05 | Shapeshifter | %pv %bl (%bt) |
| 12:06:09 | Shapeshifter | I have to change the first line to: |
| 12:06:11 | Shapeshifter | %x|a|snapwisebg.bmp|0|0| |
| 12:06:13 | Shapeshifter | and make a empty line after it, so evereything is aligned correctly. Before of the last version everything was fine without these manual changes |
| 12:06:24 | Shapeshifter | why is that |
| 12:06:48 | Shapeshifter | this is how it has to look like http://aru.acm.jhu.edu/snapwise.png |
| 12:07:30 | Shapeshifter | and if I dont make the changes manually it just shows x0|snapwisebg.bmp|0|0| in the first line insteaqd of the image |
| 12:08:57 | Slasheri | the format has changed, take a look at the newer wps files found at misticriver |
| 12:09:30 | linuxstb_ | It's documented here: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:iV-vaRt8HvgJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS site:rockbox.org custom wps&hl=en&client=firefox-a |
| 12:09:51 | Shapeshifter | allright thank you |
| 12:10:10 | Shapeshifter | yeah I know that page I didnt notice the change |
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| 12:13:15 | linuxstb_ | How does Rockbox deal with a partitioned hard disk? Does it just use the first partition? |
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| 13:57:37 | Lear | Strange... __builtin_alloca isn't available when I build the simulator... |
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| 14:22:03 | Lear | Slasheri: lately Rockbox has been "forgetting" to buffer file data (i.e., I start playback, and when it is time for the first "full buffering", nothing happens, it seems, so playback stops)... |
| 14:22:43 | Lear | Have you heard of that problem before? Could be related to me listening to oggs mainly now, or possibly some changes I've made in metadata.c... :) |
| 14:23:15 | Slasheri | Lear: interesting, at least i haven't had that problem yet |
| 14:23:35 | Slasheri | can you reproduce it? |
| 14:23:38 | Maxime | I have a strange problem |
| 14:23:52 | Maxime | One time I boot the player, no sound.. |
| 14:23:56 | Maxime | Stop it, restart it |
| 14:24:00 | Maxime | the sound come back |
| 14:24:13 | Lear | I've seen similar things before; when first "full buffer" is about, it just buffers some data (rest of the track?), but the next buffering after that works as expected. |
| 14:24:19 | Slasheri | Maxime: that must be bacause of some hardware differences between the units :/ |
| 14:24:37 | Slasheri | and that issue will be hard to fix without having such a unit |
| 14:24:39 | Lear | But no, I can't easily reproduce it. It just happens sometimes... |
| 14:25:11 | Lear | At first I suspected too low anti-skip buffer, but it can even happen with a 30s buffer. |
| 14:25:24 | Lear | And most times I've noticed it, the player has been on a desk... |
| 14:25:27 | Slasheri | Lear: hmm, that might be when we skip to the next folder |
| 14:25:34 | Slasheri | on that situation, the buffer always runs empty |
| 14:26:22 | Lear | Nope, folder skipping isn't involved (it's off anyway). Always in the middle of a playlist. |
| 14:26:34 | Slasheri | Hmm, weird.. |
| 14:26:45 | Lear | And it runs out of buffer in the middle of a track. |
| 14:27:11 | Slasheri | have you tried a fresh daily build without any own patches to code? |
| 14:27:38 | Lear | No, not yet. I guess I should at least remove the metadata changes... :) |
| 14:28:33 | Slasheri | :) |
| 14:29:08 | Lear | Btw, regarding metadata.c, when should get_metadata return false? |
| 14:30:07 | Slasheri | Hmm, when the file is badly corrupted / unrecognized |
| 14:30:19 | Slasheri | returning false will prevent starting of the playback |
| 14:32:00 | Lear | What about IO error reading e.g. vorbis comments? |
| 14:33:13 | Slasheri | i think it's safe to skip the file then |
| 14:33:31 | Lear | I.e., return false... |
| 14:33:35 | Slasheri | yes |
| 14:36:18 | Slasheri | btw, i have just enabled the "real" recording screen on iriver. But it's not quite usable yet, there is lot to do to support all of the functions |
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| 14:43:34 | linuxstb__ | Slasheri: I don't think playback.c always reacts correctly when get_metadata() returns false. |
| 14:43:56 | linuxstb__ | e.g. the crashes reported when playing FLAC files with id3v2 tags - get_metadata() returns false for such files. |
| 14:44:13 | linuxstb__ | There's a couple of places where the return value is ignored. |
| 14:45:30 | Slasheri | linuxstb__: Hmm, that's true |
| 14:46:20 | linuxstb__ | If it doesn't affect playback, is it possible to always call get_metadata() before you initialise the codec? This would allow get_metadata() to change the codec type after analysing the file. |
| 14:46:25 | Slasheri | But if get_metadata sets taginfo_ready to false if the reading failed, that should be not an issue (and we could do that also) |
| 14:46:59 | Slasheri | No, that would spin up the disk |
| 14:47:25 | linuxstb__ | Don't you need to spin up the disk to load the codec? |
| 14:47:35 | Slasheri | no, if it's buffered |
| 14:47:39 | linuxstb__ | get_metadata() also spins up the disk. |
| 14:47:59 | Slasheri | yes, it always spins it up |
| 14:48:40 | linuxstb__ | Is get_metadata() called when you start buffering a new file, or elsewhere? |
| 14:48:57 | crwl | cdcd /cygdric |
| 14:49:21 | Slasheri | it's called always before buffering that file. At the same moment the metadata (including codec type) is save to the trackinfo structure |
| 14:49:40 | crwl | wtf |
| 14:49:45 | Slasheri | crwl :D |
| 14:49:54 | crwl | thank you cygwin or someone |
| 14:49:57 | Slasheri | :) |
| 14:49:58 | linuxstb__ | Sorry, I have to run now. back later. |
| 14:50:02 | Slasheri | cu |
| 14:50:46 | crwl | i managed to do a great windows xp trick - the window that was on top didn't have the keyboard focus |
| 14:50:50 | crwl | interesting |
| 14:51:00 | Slasheri | hehe |
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| 15:35:44 | Slasheri | hehe, now recording peak meters work :) |
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| 16:00:14 | Slasheri | Hmm, in recording.c why is peak meter always set to playback mode? |
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| 16:02:56 | amiconn | Slasheri: That's because the MAS has two registers for reading the quasi-peak value, |
| 16:03:12 | amiconn | one connected to the ADC and one connected to the DAC |
| 16:03:24 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, but i tought it would be logical to have it in "recording mode" while recording :) |
| 16:03:35 | amiconn | The DAC reading is always valid because recording monitor is always enabled |
| 16:03:43 | Slasheri | anyway that doesn't matter, i will still implement that for software codecs also |
| 16:03:55 | Slasheri | hmm, ok :) |
| 16:04:05 | amiconn | ...but the ADC register only works when recording from line in or mic, not from s/pdif |
| 16:05:14 | amiconn | I think that shoould be changed for swcodec platforms, or perhaps there is no specific mode setting necessary |
| 16:05:41 | amiconn | Peak calculation is always done across a bunch of PCM samples with swcodec |
| 16:05:55 | Slasheri | i changed it so on swcodec platforms it will be on "recording mode" while recording, so the peak_meter_peek calls the right function to fetch the peak data from |
| 16:06:17 | amiconn | Why not have just one function? |
| 16:06:57 | Slasheri | Hmm, that is also possible.. Then we have to put the function to a different file |
| 16:07:12 | amiconn | Hmm, probably |
| 16:07:17 | Slasheri | currently it's on pcm_playback.c for playback (and firmware layer should not access to the apps/).. |
| 16:07:27 | amiconn | ...or we need to unify pcm_playback and pcm_record |
| 16:07:35 | Slasheri | yes.. |
| 16:07:56 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether this would be a good idea |
| 16:08:24 | Slasheri | me either :) we still might have units that would not be capable for recording |
| 16:08:26 | amiconn | I thought a bit about the general architecture, concerning recording, playback, and buffering |
| 16:09:04 | amiconn | I think that the current separation between buffer/ track handling and pcm playback is the right way |
| 16:09:36 | amiconn | ...and the firmware layer should allow pcm playback and recording at the same time. |
| 16:09:41 | amiconn | ...if possible |
| 16:09:51 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting |
| 16:10:21 | amiconn | In the high-level code, allowing both playback and recording at the same time doesn't make sense |
| 16:10:34 | amiconn | ...because then we would need to split the buffer |
| 16:10:53 | Slasheri | yes. But for example playing voice samples during recording might be a good idea |
| 16:11:01 | amiconn | The low-level full-duplex operation opens the door for interesting sound effect plugins |
| 16:11:14 | Slasheri | ah, true also :) |
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| 16:11:55 | amiconn | In short: PCM playback & recording should be allowed full duplex on the units that support it |
| 16:12:24 | amiconn | File playback and recording should be exclusive (but voice UI still possible since low level supports full duplex) |
| 16:12:36 | Slasheri | yep. I don't think that would be a big problem with the current architecture |
| 16:13:01 | amiconn | The voice file buffer is set aside anyway, shouldn't make a big difference between recording & playback |
| 16:15:31 | amiconn | linuxstb_: Rockbox uses the first primary FAT32 partition it can find. |
| 16:16:01 | amiconn | Logical drives are not (yet) supported, but I intend to change that |
| 16:16:39 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Thanks. Just gathering info for the iPod. |
| 16:17:12 | amiconn | It uses a very simple but effective approach - it simply tries to mount every non-empty partition entry as FAT32. If that fails, it tries the next etc. |
| 16:17:25 | amiconn | So the partition type field doesn't matter at all |
| 16:18:23 | amiconn | Rockbox for Ondio is almost the same, only two differences: (1) It handles 2 drives (internal flash + MMC). (2) It handles FAT16 in addition to FAT32 |
| 16:18:24 | Slasheri | btw, does iriver have serial or parallel flash chip? |
| 16:18:33 | amiconn | ? |
| 16:18:45 | amiconn | Do you mean the firmware flash rom? |
| 16:18:49 | Slasheri | yes |
| 16:18:54 | Slasheri | i think it's parallel.. |
| 16:19:11 | amiconn | It's a standard flash eeprom. They're always parallel |
| 16:20:10 | Slasheri | yes, unfortunately. If it has been serial then it could be easy to build a mod to recover the flash contents (possible useful for developers) |
| 16:21:01 | amiconn | You would have to unsolder it anyway, regardless of interface |
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| 16:31:56 | tucoz | Good thing that most of the wiki were taken care of by google & co |
| 16:33:23 | tucoz | I read that some person at ubuntu had a recent attack from a .ru. Just that he didn't refer to the attackers as gentlemen, but scriptkiddies :) |
| 16:35:08 | Slasheri | amiconn: Hmm, why? Isn't the cpu tri-stated while it's powered off? |
| 16:37:16 | HCl | mhm. |
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| 16:37:58 | zenx | hello |
| 16:38:06 | zenx | what's up with the website? |
| 16:38:14 | amiconn | Slasheri: How would you power the flash rom without also powering the CPU when it's soldered in? |
| 16:38:29 | linuxstb_ | zenx: Read the news item at the top of the front page. |
| 16:39:09 | Slasheri | amiconn: true, that would be hard.. :) but never mind, there is probably no easy and cheap way for everyone to do that |
| 16:39:40 | zenx | oh, that's fucked... are there backups? |
| 16:40:31 | linuxstb_ | zenx: Yes. |
| 16:41:53 | tucoz | I simply can't comprehend what the point of doing that is. |
| 16:42:04 | zenx | any optical gurus here? |
| 16:45:14 | zenx | umm, don't know if this has been discussed before, but: has anybody considered connecting an ADAT lightpipe signal to the h120? the adat lightpipe uses the same toslink plastic cable as the s/p-dif, but it's a different protocol. it transfers 8 channels at once (in a serial order) |
| 16:46:18 | Slasheri | Hmm, i don't think that would work.. Checking the cpu datasheet |
| 16:47:36 | zenx | here's a brief description: http://www.nt-instruments.com/X0-ASP-pLngCateId_219-pIntLevel_4-pLngPageId_656-X1-default.htm |
| 16:48:59 | Slasheri | "Optical interface components and optical fibres are identical to the cost effective components as applied with the optical S/PDIF (TOSLINK) interface." |
| 16:49:02 | Slasheri | so it may work |
| 16:49:45 | zenx | and this is information about the data transfer: http://www.dmalham.freeserve.co.uk/adat.html |
| 16:50:00 | Slasheri | but i really doubt that, the protocol is different |
| 16:50:18 | crwl | but if the pulse speed and other features (what there are) differ enough, the S/PDIF chip wouldn't understand anything about the signal anyway, right? |
| 16:51:01 | crwl | some kind of weird data transfer mechanism via the optical connectors would be funny, though |
| 16:51:18 | zenx | yeah, well this is what I don't have info about |
| 16:51:31 | zenx | wether the pulse speed differs and suc |
| 16:51:32 | zenx | h |
| 16:52:25 | crwl | i have no idea if there's such thing as pulse speed, nor do i really know anything about toslink. but anyway :) |
| 16:53:40 | zenx | since the rockbox site is down, can anybody send me some datasheets or specs of the s/pdif chip and the optical receivers of the h120 ? |
| 16:53:51 | Slasheri | the cpu is compliant with IEC958-3 Ed2 and Tech 3250-E Standards only |
| 16:55:47 | crwl | is it currently possible to monitor the toslink input signal with headphones? |
| 16:56:02 | zenx | that's s/pdif and aes/ebu |
| 16:56:23 | Slasheri | crwl: with few lines of code it should be :P |
| 16:56:38 | crwl | the headphone out in h100 series should be of quite good quality, but my soundcard's one might not be |
| 16:56:46 | crwl | so it could be used as a kind of sound card.. :P |
| 16:56:53 | crwl | and i have optical out on the sound card |
| 16:56:57 | Slasheri | without any resampling it should be easy to reroute the digital input to the dac |
| 16:57:07 | zenx | IEC958-3 Ed2 : this is the cpu, and IEC958-3 Ed2 is aes/ebu ? |
| 16:57:09 | crwl | i could actually use this if it was possible :) |
| 16:57:46 | Slasheri | Hmm :) maybe i will try that :P |
| 16:58:08 | crwl | i'd just need a toslink -> 3,5 mm (optical miniplug, what's its name?) adapter |
| 16:59:43 | Slasheri | yes, i really would need one too. Currently i have used normal toslink cable and put it to the connector (some stuff over the cable to keep it on place) |
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| 17:00:05 | crwl | yes, that's not really handy :) |
| 17:00:12 | Slasheri | i have no idea where i could find those cables |
| 17:00:19 | Slasheri | yep :D |
| 17:01:13 | crwl | http://www.biltema.fi/osteri/osteri.cgi?sivu=skriptisivut/index_kauppa.htm&linkki=24153.htm&tuote=24153&ryhmaid=118 |
| 17:01:13 | zenx | <Slasheri> the cpu is compliant with IEC958-3 Ed2 and Tech 3250-E Standards only |
| 17:01:17 | zenx | where is this? |
| 17:01:28 | Slasheri | zenx: on the cpu datasheet |
| 17:01:50 | zenx | http://www.freescale.com/files/dsp/doc/ref_manual/MCF5249UM.pdf this? |
| 17:01:57 | Slasheri | yes |
| 17:02:03 | zenx | ok thx |
| 17:02:07 | crwl | it just feels stupid to order some component worth 1 EUR from the net |
| 17:02:12 | Slasheri | the cpu has builtin drivers for the optical interface |
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| 17:34:53 | zenx | found the Adat chip: http://www.wavefrontsemi.com/index.php?id=11,10,0,0,1,0 |
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| 17:48:04 | zenx | well, spdif has a data rate of 2.8224 Mbit/s and Adat has a data rate of 12.288 Mbps, so it's unlikely that it could be used :-) |
| 17:48:50 | crwl | heh |
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| 17:55:13 | Dma-Sc | hi |
| 17:55:52 | bagawk | hello |
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| 17:56:52 | Dma-Sc | i was wondering if i could get a complete listing of available wps tags somewhere? though i suppose it was on the bombed wiki :/ |
| 17:57:28 | fuzzie | rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/CustomWPS-r1.29%20-%2009-07.html">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/CustomWPS-r1.29%20-%2009-07.html |
| 17:57:29 | fuzzie | ? |
| 17:57:59 | fuzzie | not entirely up to date.. |
| 17:58:29 | bagawk | Wow |
| 17:58:36 | bagawk | I had no idea rockbox was hacked |
| 17:58:46 | bagawk | No wonder my inbox seemed smaller... |
| 17:58:50 | Dma-Sc | ah yes didn't tried google cache ;) |
| 17:59:19 | Dma-Sc | thought this page is a handmade cache of google cache of rockbox wiki ;D |
| 17:59:26 | Dma-Sc | thought > though |
| 17:59:46 | fuzzie | yes, if you look at the directory it's in, you can see how much work rasher put into it |
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| 18:00:02 | fuzzie | so as soon as the wiki backup is restored it'll be no problem to put most of the changes back :) |
| 18:00:26 | Dma-Sc | yes indeed a cool move :) |
| 18:07:15 | Dma-Sc | wps formating options are quite complete, and with images support it gives a blast compared to ajb-player wps i used before ;) |
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| 18:22:18 | wacky | hey guys, something totally offtopic here.. |
| 18:23:01 | wacky | I'm about to release a software instrument tuner, and I'd like to know what are the steps towards a free software release .. and I know you guys know about it |
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| 18:27:25 | linuxstb | wacky: Step 1 - Choose a license based on how you want others to be able to use your code. |
| 18:29:07 | wacky | hey :) GPL is my friend |
| 18:29:34 | Slasheri | linuxstb: btw, i got the iriver recorder screen basic functions working :) peak meter etc. |
| 18:30:11 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Nice. Does that mean it's no longer in the debug menu? |
| 18:30:34 | Slasheri | it's still in debug menu but there is now the "real menu" also :) |
| 18:30:41 | Slasheri | i think i will commit after the feature freeze |
| 18:31:00 | linuxstb | Are you using the existing (Archos) recording code? |
| 18:31:05 | Slasheri | yes |
| 18:31:14 | Slasheri | it's very usable |
| 18:32:09 | linuxstb | Apart from a recording codec system, what's left to do? |
| 18:33:19 | Slasheri | hmm, i think there is not so much left to do to support the full pcm recording functions the recording screen offers |
| 18:34:01 | Slasheri | of course the codec support will be the hardest one (but still not very hard) |
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| 18:34:38 | dropandho | hey all |
| 18:34:44 | Slasheri | hi |
| 18:34:58 | dropandho | you happen to notice that the wiki link on site is broken? |
| 18:35:26 | Slasheri | amiconn, linuxstb, do you think would it be better to use the full buffer space while recording and spinning the disk up every 2-3 minutes or keeping the disk continously running? |
| 18:35:51 | Slasheri | dropandho: the wiki is deleted by crackers |
| 18:35:54 | linuxstb | Why would you want to keep it running continuously? |
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| 18:36:09 | wacky | spinning the disk makes noise in the recording |
| 18:36:13 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i was just thinking what would be a better option |
| 18:36:29 | Slasheri | wacky: hmm, yes.. when using the internal mic |
| 18:36:35 | wacky | I though we could even try to eliminate these high frequencies with some algorithmes.. |
| 18:36:40 | dropandho | slasheri- man...did we loose anything? |
| 18:36:42 | AliasCoffee | if you spinup/down the disk, does that mean that you'll end up dropping samples as per the iriver firmware? |
| 18:36:47 | linuxstb | Why is recording any different to playback? |
| 18:37:06 | Slasheri | dropandho: there is a backups about a month old and much of the contents have been recovered using the google cache.. |
| 18:37:12 | wacky | yes, and even if your microphone is too close |
| 18:37:15 | Slasheri | but there is still much work to do to put the wiki back online |
| 18:37:42 | dropandho | slasheri- great...this is pretty sad |
| 18:37:45 | Slasheri | AliasCoffee: no |
| 18:37:52 | Slasheri | we wont have that glitch bug |
| 18:38:06 | AliasCoffee | :) |
| 18:38:13 | wacky | was there anyone working on remote support ?! |
| 18:38:28 | dropandho | slasheri- dont u think someone should put a headline on the homepage calling for anyhelp with this....maybe they have it cached or saved |
| 18:38:29 | Slasheri | i don't think anyone is working with it currently |
| 18:38:31 | wacky | I got my LCD broken, and bought an iAudio (since H3xx is discontinued!) |
| 18:38:39 | wacky | but I just *want* to run the Rockbox somewhere, anywhere! |
| 18:38:57 | dropandho | wacky- there was one guy working on a patch...xavier or something...it never got committed tho |
| 18:39:06 | Slasheri | dropandho: hmm, i don't maybe. But i think any help is greatly appreciated when the wiki is up again (restoring the pages etc.) |
| 18:39:14 | Slasheri | maybe=know |
| 18:39:26 | wacky | yeah I know.. that's the version I'm running.. but it's nothing complete and up to date with the latest features |
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| 18:40:45 | amiconn | Slasheri: Spinning all the time is bad. It literally eats battery power |
| 18:41:07 | amiconn | 2-3 minutes is definitely worth it |
| 18:41:10 | Slasheri | amiconn: good, i thought that also. So it's then good to spin it down |
| 18:41:31 | amiconn | I did some measurements with video playback on archos, which needs to rebuffer every ~25 seconds |
| 18:41:47 | amiconn | Even then it's still better to spin down in between |
| 18:42:03 | Slasheri | hehe, nice |
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| 18:42:29 | dropandho | slasheri- i think it is important to let folks know this happened on the front page...and solicite help...how else are people suppose to know? |
| 18:42:40 | amiconn | It'll probably not worth to spin down on archos with upcoming wav playback, at least at full 44.1/16/stereo |
| 18:42:58 | amiconn | This will need to rebuffer every ~10 seconds... |
| 18:43:12 | amiconn | Same for wav recording of course |
| 18:43:51 | Slasheri | hmm, that's quite often |
| 18:43:59 | amiconn | yup |
| 18:45:09 | amiconn | wacky_: I'll probably look into making a remote-only build for iriver, i.e. using the remote lcd *instead* the main lcd |
| 18:45:22 | amiconn | ...hoping that this will help H3x0 development |
| 18:45:36 | dropandho | amiconn- nice..thanks for the remote work....ive been waitin for that! |
| 18:45:49 | dropandho | amiconn- it is hard to make the 2 work at the same time? |
| 18:46:32 | amiconn | dropandho: This won't be the "real thing", but a hack to ease H3x0 development. It allows to make a bootloader for H3x0 without having an LCD driver for the colour lcd |
| 18:46:45 | wacky_ | oh yeah ?! |
| 18:46:50 | amiconn | It'll probably be easier to work from there... |
| 18:46:57 | wacky_ | is that something possible right now ? |
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| 18:47:32 | dropandho | got it- thanks |
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| 18:56:46 | wacky | amiconn - is it something really involving ? or is the code disposed to that quickly ? |
| 18:58:43 | dropandho | question tho...i know you guys are all about being efficient...so why would folks jump to develop h3x0 if h1x0 isnt complete |
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| 19:01:41 | Slasheri | hehe, rockbox will be never complete :) |
| 19:01:58 | Slasheri | there is always something to develop |
| 19:02:29 | dropandho | hehe- i understand that |
| 19:02:48 | dropandho | but there hasnt even been an iriver release...so why jump to the next model? |
| 19:03:03 | Slasheri | yes, that's true |
| 19:03:35 | dropandho | you guys are in a feature freeze...to make sure the other models are cool |
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| 19:03:59 | Slasheri | :) |
| 19:04:17 | amiconn | dropandho: It's not "jumping to the next model", but extending the user and developer base by another model |
| 19:04:55 | amiconn | The H3x0 is similar to the H1x0 hardware-wise, so it should actually push forward iriver development |
| 19:05:53 | dropandho | ok- sold! |
| 19:05:53 | dropandho | hehe |
| 19:06:07 | dropandho | i guess im greedy...and i wanna see my guy running nice |
| 19:06:09 | dropandho | thanks all! |
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| 19:35:37 | wacky | amiconn - I was just wondering if "compiling a version with native remote support" was something I could put some time into |
| 19:35:44 | wacky | or if it was something very involving |
| 19:40:31 | bluebrother^ | can someone help me with a perl problem? |
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| 19:41:22 | bluebrother^ | I want to install a module locally. How can I use this in a perl script? |
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| 19:42:42 | webguest79 | bluebrother: does export PERLLIB=/home/user/lib:$PERLLIB work for you? |
| 19:43:34 | webguest79 | and use the module like you normally would. Like use module in perl. |
| 19:43:46 | webguest79 | i.e in the script |
| 19:44:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:44:21 | * | bluebrother^ tries |
| 19:45:26 | linuxstb | interesting comments about the speed of Ogg: http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/ogg-vorbis-on-ipod-a-rebuttal-015738.php |
| 19:45:42 | linuxstb | Has anyone considered putting codec code in IRAM? |
| 19:46:02 | webguest79 | isn't that what is done at the moment? at least parts of it |
| 19:46:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's way better to use IRAM for data than for code on coldfire 5249 |
| 19:46:32 | linuxstb | Only data is in IRAM (AFAIK) |
| 19:46:42 | webguest79 | oh, sorry |
| 19:46:52 | amiconn | Some code is in iram, but no codec code |
| 19:47:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: Why is is it better to use IRAM for data? |
| 19:47:16 | Lear | amiconn: actually, a few Tremor functions are in iram... |
| 19:47:35 | amiconn | There are two reasons. (1) The 5249 has an instruction cache, but no data cache |
| 19:48:48 | amiconn | (2) Uncached instructions are loaded from dram using burst mode. |
| 19:49:04 | linuxstb | So basically, the speed-up of putting code in IRAM is minimal? |
| 19:49:31 | amiconn | Using burst mode for data is only possible with movem, and only if the data is line aligned |
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| 19:51:20 | Lear | I'm wondering about a comment about a benchmark for Coldfire FFT code: "Without invalidation of all cache locations program requires even more cycles, than in the case when cache is disabled." |
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| 19:55:27 | amiconn | Lear: Some core code is in iram too (at least memset, memcpy and lcd_update irrc) |
| 19:56:11 | Lear | And the Tremor functions put there are the ones that are called _very_ often... |
| 19:57:08 | amiconn | Yes, it should pay off to put functions in iram that are called often, and from various places |
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| 19:58:14 | amiconn | The coldfire icache is direct mapped, so depending on the alignment code will sometimes get flushed from the cache due to cache aliasing |
| 19:58:14 | cybernetseraph | Hey, just thought i'd mention that the wiki on rockbox.org appears to be down. |
| 19:58:51 | fuzzie | if you look at the front page, it clearly states that the wiki was deleted |
| 19:58:55 | fuzzie | it is being worked on :) |
| 19:59:15 | cybernetseraph | fuzzie: oh, sorry. Must have missed that. |
| 19:59:29 | cybernetseraph | must be one of those days. |
| 19:59:50 | bluebrother^ | I'd say that information is a bit easy to over-read. |
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| 20:00:02 | cybernetseraph | oh, that's it. i hadn't reloaded the site since i loaded it, and that wasn't there when i first surfed over. |
| 20:00:04 | fuzzie | if you need info from it, rasher has put the google cached versions at rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/WikiRescue/ for now, until the backup is restored |
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| 20:00:24 | fuzzie | or, the google cached versions of anything recently modified. |
| 20:00:30 | cybernetseraph | thanks. I was just checking up on how the iriver support was coming along |
| 20:01:22 | Dma-Sc | for wps, it would be cool to be able to display several values one after the other (with timer stuff) in a condition case |
| 20:03:43 | cybernetseraph | Well thanks for the info. I'm no good at audio/embedded development, so good luck guys, i'll keep checking back. Then again, do you have some donation interface? I get my student loan and i'd happily chuck some change your way. |
| 20:05:23 | amiconn | cybernetseraph: There's a link on the front page... |
| 20:06:11 | cybernetseraph | god, i really am dim witted today. Thanks for the lack of flaming stupid questions. i think i need more coffee. Goodbye all. |
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| 20:09:40 | Dan | did noone backup the wik? |
| 20:09:43 | Dan | *wiki |
| 20:10:02 | fuzzie | the last backup is a month old, hopefully it'll be restored today sometime |
| 20:10:17 | Dan | damn |
| 20:10:35 | fuzzie | but that page of rasher's has almost all the changes up to the point of deletion |
| 20:10:39 | Dan | any ip logs? |
| 20:10:41 | fuzzie | so it'll just be a little work to get it back up to date |
| 20:10:47 | fuzzie | and, yes, it was an russian ip |
| 20:11:00 | Dan | well |
| 20:11:15 | fuzzie | just executed 'rm -rf /' through the exploit, no local exploits or anything, so logs/system/etc are intact. |
| 20:11:31 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:11:32 | Dan | have you checked for a proxy on it? |
| 20:12:58 | amiconn | It was a dialup ip iirc |
| 20:13:42 | Dan | hmm |
| 20:14:00 | fuzzie | 85.140.9.74, which resolves to something with 'pppoe' in it, which seems more likely to be broadband |
| 20:14:21 | Rick | That sucks |
| 20:14:34 | Rick | pppoe = adsl |
| 20:14:43 | Rick | usually |
| 20:14:48 | Dan | yeah |
| 20:14:58 | Dan | ill scan it |
| 20:15:41 | Rick | did we lose all of the irc logs too? |
| 20:15:43 | Rick | that'd suck |
| 20:16:07 | fuzzie | they're fine |
| 20:16:12 | fuzzie | only stuff owned by the apache user was lost, afaik |
| 20:16:16 | Rick | ah |
| 20:18:05 | Dan | port 21 is open on eit |
| 20:18:13 | Dan | but its not an ftpd i dont think |
| 20:18:20 | Dan | *it |
| 20:18:36 | fuzzie | i'd expect it's a dynamic ip anyway |
| 20:18:52 | Rick | yes, pppoe is usually dynamic too |
| 20:18:58 | Dan | mine isnt |
| 20:19:39 | Rick | hmmm |
| 20:19:40 | Dan | has anyone emailed abuse@ ? |
| 20:20:40 | Rick | there have been a number of *.pppoe.mtu-net.ru visitors to #rockbox |
| 20:21:02 | Dan | hmm |
| 20:21:11 | Dan | how many? |
| 20:21:42 | Rick | recent logs? three different people |
| 20:22:09 | Dan | hmm |
| 20:22:23 | Rick | shrug |
| 20:22:29 | * | Rick goes back to idling like he usually is. |
| 20:22:38 | Dan | lol |
| 20:22:58 | Dan | well |
| 20:23:03 | Dan | heres what id to |
| 20:23:22 | Dan | scan the ips for vulns |
| 20:23:39 | Rick | what good would that do? |
| 20:23:45 | Dan | if they can be rooted easily then he was running proxies off a botnet |
| 20:24:44 | Dan | then you could root them and sniff his net out if that was the case |
| 20:24:52 | Dan | then take it from there |
| 20:25:23 | Dan | email abuse@ first though |
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| 20:28:01 | Musicmad | hi guys - does somebody have an idea what is going on here? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1383.0 |
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| 20:32:31 | webguest64 | Musicmad, sounds almost like the oppisite of what I was experiencing a while ago. I got a high souding noise on boot sometimes. |
| 20:32:47 | Musicmad | webguest72: ok - never had that. |
| 20:32:51 | webguest64 | Which was fixed in the v5 bootloader |
| 20:33:14 | webguest64 | where the uda is reset early in the boot process |
| 20:33:29 | Musicmad | ok - I have tried with a recent build - still no sound in the morning :) |
| 20:34:30 | webguest64 | annoying, so do you think it has to do with a build, or bootloader? |
| 20:34:42 | webguest64 | Like, was this introduced lately? |
| 20:35:11 | Musicmad | no idea actually - I _think_ it has been like this for 3-4 weeks. |
| 20:35:22 | webguest64 | But I believe there are minor hw differencies in the different h120/h140's |
| 20:35:30 | Musicmad | mine is a 120 |
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| 20:35:50 | webguest64 | As I and a couple of others had this noise on boot (sometimes), where others didn't |
| 20:35:59 | Musicmad | anyway - a reboot is pretty fast, but in the long run it would be nice to avoid it. |
| 20:36:05 | Musicmad | true |
| 20:36:08 | webguest64 | Musicmad, :) |
| 20:37:11 | webguest64 | And it's hard to find out what causes it, as it is occasionally. But, we were able to fix the issue I was having. It just takes some time |
| 20:37:32 | webguest64 | I mean, find and fix |
| 20:37:56 | Musicmad | yeah - I don't know if any info gathered from the debug menu will help? |
| 20:39:04 | webguest64 | If you are able to found out as much as possible when this happens, and maybe suggest something to the devs later on. |
| 20:39:16 | webguest64 | you will be more likely to see a fix. |
| 20:39:47 | Musicmad | I know - trying to establish a pattern. |
| 20:39:54 | webguest64 | Like, what do you think causes it. (good) |
| 20:40:17 | webguest64 | If there is something that can trigger this. |
| 20:40:30 | Musicmad | yeah I know about good bug reports thanks :) |
| 20:41:03 | webguest64 | I had my issue maybe twice a week. It was the usb-bootloader that narrowed it down, as the noise were present at that stage. |
| 20:41:28 | webguest64 | Which meant that it couldn't be the firmware, as this wasn't loaded at that time. |
| 20:42:16 | webguest64 | Musicmad, hope you'll find this out. gtg. |
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| 21:12:42 | Jefe | does anyone know where I can get a rfvMux filter? |
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| 21:17:10 | Dma-Sc | doesn't rockbox handle dir based playing like playlists, i mean with tracknumber and total tracks info for the current dir? i thought it did on my abj. |
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| 21:26:28 | stripwax_ | Dma-Sc? |
| 21:28:44 | Dma-Sc | ehh, yes it does... i was just using the wrong info (id3tag tracknumber instead of playlist tracknumber) X_X |
| 21:32:03 | stripwax_ | anyone know any technical reasons why 'id3 info' (or really 'tag info') is not an option on the context-sensitive file menu in the browser? |
| 21:32:10 | stripwax_ | would be v. useful! |
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| 21:52:55 | billy1ear | is something wrong with web page |
| 21:53:14 | Zagor | yes, see front page |
| 21:54:33 | billy1ear | guess i should learn to read. anyone have the latest manual, or know somewhere else to download it? |
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| 21:57:19 | preglow | wiki still dead? :/ |
| 21:58:13 | Zagor | yes, we'll get the backup restored tomorrow |
| 21:58:43 | preglow | ahh, you've got backups |
| 21:58:44 | preglow | that's great |
| 21:59:06 | preglow | apache logs intact? |
| 21:59:08 | Zagor | unfortunately not completely up-to-date (since Murphy is always watching) |
| 21:59:16 | Zagor | yes, we know who did it |
| 21:59:21 | Dan | uhh |
| 21:59:29 | Dan | dont be so sure |
| 21:59:35 | preglow | just let me know if he's situated in oslo |
| 21:59:50 | preglow | i'll blow up his mailbox or something |
| 21:59:58 | Zagor | well that's hard to say. naturally we only know the IP, which was a russian dialup. |
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| 22:00:00 | Dan | that ip DID have a proxy on it |
| 22:00:01 | amiconn | hi preglow |
| 22:00:05 | preglow | amiconn: hi |
| 22:00:09 | Dan | adsl |
| 22:00:19 | preglow | Zagor: you can pretty much forget anything happening at all, then |
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| 22:00:47 | Dan | i can see 2 options |
| 22:01:03 | Zagor | Dan: correct. same same. |
| 22:01:07 | Dan | request logs from the proxy owner, which i doubt will work |
| 22:01:19 | amiconn | preglow: How costly would it be to derive the peak level from an mp2/mp3 frame? |
| 22:01:19 | Dan | or root the proxy |
| 22:01:31 | Dan | thatl get you an ip |
| 22:01:39 | amiconn | No full decode, just enough to obtain an approximately correct level |
| 22:01:40 | Dan | if not then email abuse@ |
| 22:01:42 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:02:31 | preglow | amiconn: hmm, lemme think |
| 22:03:06 | preglow | you'd haveto do a full huffman decode, which will cost some cpu and quite a lot of memory |
| 22:03:26 | preglow | you're thinking archos here? |
| 22:03:30 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:04:09 | amiconn | Meanwhile I suspect the peakmeter i2c to cause the recording glitches, but reading less often is going to be imprecise |
| 22:04:59 | amiconn | ...and since I'm thinking about scanning the frame structure anyway, I had the idea that it might be possible to obtain the peak level as well |
| 22:05:02 | preglow | you've actually tried recording without the peak meter, or... ? |
| 22:05:22 | amiconn | I'm currently trying with a much lower peak rate |
| 22:05:37 | amiconn | *peek rate |
| 22:05:51 | preglow | to be quite honest, i don't think you've got a chance |
| 22:05:56 | preglow | especially not with mp3 |
| 22:06:27 | preglow | layer 3, i mean |
| 22:06:39 | amiconn | Peeking once per refresh (20 Hz) instead of a busy-yield cycle (roughly 600 Hz) |
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| 22:07:11 | amiconn | Hmm. |
| 22:08:02 | preglow | as far as i know, there isn't much you can do apart from actually decoding the waveform to see where the peaks are |
| 22:08:13 | Dma-Sc | allowing display timers in conditions cases for wps would allow nice play, pause, ff, etc... graphic animations ;) |
| 22:08:24 | preglow | haha |
| 22:08:34 | preglow | i can control my enthusiasm... |
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| 22:10:31 | Dma-Sc | i mean sublines |
| 22:10:55 | preglow | amiconn: but this will most certainly add bloat, just the huffman decoding alone requires quite a few lookup tables |
| 22:10:56 | Dma-Sc | for use with timers ;) |
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| 22:15:42 | preglow | amiconn: the mas only records in layer 3, yes? |
| 22:16:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:16:51 | amiconn | Version 1 and version 2 layer 3. No version 2.5 |
| 22:17:12 | amiconn | Max. frame bitrate is 192kbps |
| 22:17:39 | preglow | well, you MIGHT be able to get some approximate peak info from the scale factors |
| 22:19:05 | preglow | but even if it would work, it would probably be too inaccurate to be usable as a recording peak meter |
| 22:19:24 | amiconn | I wonder which part of decoding mp3 is the most computationally intensive |
| 22:19:32 | amiconn | Huffman decode? imdct? |
| 22:19:52 | preglow | a split between imdct and filter bank resynthesis, i would think |
| 22:20:48 | preglow | god, i wish i could fix that ugly imdct hack of mine soon |
| 22:21:26 | amiconn | Hmm. How much precision could one expect from using the scalefactors? |
| 22:21:59 | amiconn | It might still be better than these "quasi peak" readings from the mas |
| 22:22:53 | amiconn | Perhaps I should perform some experiments to determine how this "quasi peak" behaves for various input signals |
| 22:22:54 | preglow | to be quite honest, i have no idea |
| 22:22:58 | preglow | i'm not even certain it would work |
| 22:23:28 | preglow | i don't know how well the scale factors correlate with the signal |
| 22:23:50 | preglow | they're used before quantising to make sure all signals have a pretty uniform level |
| 22:23:53 | preglow | to make the most of the quantiser |
| 22:24:26 | preglow | and you have to combine those over all the frequency bands |
| 22:24:40 | preglow | and you don't really know if some of them might cancel out to make a lower peak than you would expect |
| 22:26:01 | preglow | if you're serious about finding out, hacking libmad should be easy |
| 22:26:43 | preglow | i might even do it myself tonight |
| 22:26:55 | preglow | since i got vaguely interested, heh |
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| 22:53:24 | Dma-Sc | implementing something like "?%id!=%Id<bla|blu>" in wps would also be great :) |
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| 23:12:46 | BoD[] | Hello worldz0rz |
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| 23:14:36 | BoD[] | so... what's up ? :) |
| 23:16:26 | BoD[] | I was wondering if I should buy a comodore e-vic 20 |
| 23:16:45 | BoD[] | maybe it may be "rockboxable" :) |
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| 23:42:27 | ]RowaN[ | quick question.. rockbox for h10 .. is that something that might happen? |
| 23:42:59 | ]RowaN[ | iriver h10 i mean |
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| 23:43:08 | coob | h10 is closer to the ipod :) |
| 23:43:24 | fuzzie | maybe, someday, but it's completely different from the existing iriver ports |
| 23:43:34 | coob | so if linuxstb gets his ipod port going, h10 would be possible |
| 23:43:40 | linuxstb | coob: Do you know if the guy trying to port uclinux to the H10 got anywhere? |
| 23:43:49 | coob | nope |
| 23:43:56 | coob | stuck in bootloader alley i think |
| 23:43:58 | preglow | linuxstb: you've got some ipod porting experiment going on? |
| 23:44:20 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm going to start when my ipod arrives - which will hopefully be tomorrow. |
| 23:44:39 | linuxstb | Unfortunately, I seem to have ordered an ipod with an unsupported LCD. |
| 23:44:58 | coob | yeah no luck on that yet |
| 23:45:09 | preglow | linuxstb: excellent! |
| 23:45:15 | coob | maybe you'll be lucky and get an older 60gb... |
| 23:45:32 | preglow | it's just a matter of disassembling anyway, no? :P |
| 23:46:15 | preglow | linuxstb: well, if you get anywhere, chances are good i'll join in on the fun when i get some cashflow again |
| 23:46:25 | coob | once you manage to decrypt the fw :0 |
| 23:46:43 | preglow | coob: well, haven't you guys cracked that already? |
| 23:47:03 | coob | the dmca doesn't allow me to reveal that information |
| 23:47:18 | coob | well, it probably does, but i'm not getting shot for it. |
| 23:47:29 | coob | or th eu equivalent of the dmca |
| 23:48:01 | coob | preglow: we have been known to read the flash by beeping it out... |
| 23:48:06 | preglow | i don't believe the dmca can give you any trouble on these grounds |
| 23:48:22 | coob | yes, but you're not a lawyer :) |
| 23:48:51 | preglow | i can pretend i'm one |
| 23:48:56 | linuxstb | Do we know the make/model of the LCDs in the ipod? |
| 23:49:05 | coob | linuxstb: there are many. |
| 23:49:07 | t0mas | coob?? |
| 23:49:08 | t0mas | you here? |
| 23:49:10 | t0mas | :) |
| 23:49:30 | linuxstb | Is there a list anywhere? I'm having trouble finding detailed technical docs on the ipod. |
| 23:49:48 | coob | haha of course you are, there aren't any! welcome to apple :) |
| 23:50:04 | coob | http://ipodlinux.org/Generations |
| 23:50:13 | linuxstb | I thought the ipodlinux project would have documented things though. |
| 23:50:15 | coob | no real lcd info there |
| 23:50:38 | linuxstb | Even the source code doesn't really refer to the names of many components. |
| 23:50:43 | coob | coding is more fun than documenting. |
| 23:50:59 | linuxstb | But it makes it hard for new devs to join in the project. |
| 23:51:10 | t0mas | brb |
| 23:51:26 | coob | true |
| 23:52:03 | coob | http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/download/ehd66753.pdf <- think thats the datasheet for the mono lcd |
| 23:52:32 | coob | bear in mind nearly all RE work is done without opening iPods |
| 23:52:44 | coob | i think bern's gf told him he couldn't open it :) |
| 23:52:51 | coob | (his original 2g) |
| 23:53:56 | coob | and no hardware other than what came in the box |
| 23:56:08 | linuxstb | Is all the other important hardware on the 4G units understood now? |
| 23:56:16 | linuxstb | i.e. enough to get Rockbox working? |
| 23:56:38 | HCl | as far as i understood they haven't even been able to get both cpu cores working |
| 23:56:40 | BoD[] | i would buy an ipod if rb would run on it |
| 23:56:45 | coob | HCl: yes we have |
| 23:56:50 | HCl | oh, nice. |
| 23:56:53 | coob | just don't really utilise them |
| 23:56:54 | HCl | since when? |
| 23:56:57 | coob | ages. |
| 23:57:01 | ]RowaN[ | i told my m8 to buy a h1xx, and he bought a h10 hehe, stupid twat |
| 23:57:04 | HCl | i thought only one cpu core worked.. |
| 23:57:08 | coob | nope. |
| 23:57:13 | HCl | and only since recently you could set the clock |
| 23:57:18 | coob | just had a lot of cache issues |
| 23:57:28 | HCl | anways |
| 23:57:29 | coob | been able to set the clock for months |
| 23:57:31 | HCl | anyways* |
| 23:57:33 | HCl | goodnight |
| 23:57:36 | HCl | yea, recently |
| 23:57:37 | HCl | :p |
| 23:57:48 | coob | * The LCD uses the HD66753 controller from Hitachi (now owned by Renesas). |
| 23:58:02 | coob | thats the mono one, i think the photo stuff was all re'd from the bootloader. |
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