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#rockbox log for 2005-10-19

00:02:25amiconn(1) .irodata (selectable with the ICONST_ATTR attribute macro) - to allow const data in iram, without section type conflict
00:03:16amiconn(2) .ibss (selectable with the IBSS_ATTR attribute macro) - to exclude unititialised iram data from the binary
00:03:44linuxstbSounds good.
00:03:47preglowthe last will require an extra line in all code using iram, yes?
00:03:56preglowa memset?
00:04:11linuxstbcrt0.s does the initialisation (I think).
00:04:25preglowvery improbable
00:04:28preglowcrt0.S is only run once, afaik
00:04:38amiconnI'm still undecided whether I should handle (2) specially for plugins/codecs as well
00:04:39preglowand codecs need to init the bss again each time they're started
00:05:12amiconnCodecs and plugins don't need to init bss atm, since it's part of the binary
00:05:21preglowexactly
00:05:26amiconnI think handling iram the same would be consistent
00:05:48amiconnHowever, the core handles .bss specially, and so it should handle .ibss specially
00:06:04preglowahh, right, codecs dont even handle bss in any special way now
00:06:16amiconn...and the core does the section handling in crt0.S
00:07:04linuxstbSo if plugins use ibss, then the plugin loader will need to initialise it?
00:07:37linuxstbOr are you not thinking about plugins?
00:07:42preglowit's not handled like that for codecs/plugins yet
00:07:47amiconnI'm mainly thinking about the core
00:07:48pregloweven bss is included verbatim in the binary image
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00:15:46amiconnAhahaha - the initialised part of today's .idata is ... 8 bytes!
00:15:51amiconnEverything else is bss
00:16:18amiconn30664 bytes
00:18:08linuxstbAre you talking about the core?
00:18:28linuxstbWhat are those 8 bytes?
00:18:59amiconnIn fact there are 24 bytes (16 const and 8 variable). All of these are in lcd-h100.c
00:19:34amiconndibits[16], fgpattern and bgpattern
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01:38:12shordyhey guys does rockbox work on the IRiver H10 6gb model???
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03:24:30AEnertiaHi all
03:24:41AEnertiawhere is the new dev mailing list at?
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07:34:26Bgermorning :)
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07:48:29|Lupin|Hi.
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08:08:36Slasherigood morning :)
08:08:50amiconnmorning
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10:29:44AEnertiaHi guys
10:29:54AEnertiawhat is the new dev mailing list?
10:30:11AEnertiaalso if you are not aware : http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/ev50/index.html
10:30:12LinusNjust a split, so the devs have their own list
10:30:43AEnertiaAnd the old one is back up as of today?
10:30:56LinusNit was never down
10:31:00AEnertiaI have not seen any traffic for a good month or so now since the wikidephiling
10:31:08Bgeryes, it's just for ordinary users afaiu
10:31:33AEnertiaHow the h300 port going BTW, I have a unit now to test with
10:31:38LinusNAEnertia: you might have been unsubscribed as a result of the attack
10:31:46AEnertiaI'm guessing the screen code is still the kicker atm
10:31:59LinusNAEnertia: yes, that and the power management
10:32:50Bgeraustriancoder wrote some code about this PMU afaik...
10:34:31LinusNhe did? where is it?
10:35:45Bgerwhere is ac is the question ...
10:36:07Bgerbut iaudio x5 has the same pmu
10:36:19Bgerand he started writing a driver for it...
10:36:30Bgerat least he said so
10:37:11LinusNhe seems to have disappeared
10:38:06CtcpIgnored 5 channel CTCP requests in 5 minutes and 10 seconds at the last flood
10:38:06*Bger hopes that ac is ok, having in mind floodings in austria...
10:40:25LinusNlast time i heard from him was 2005-09-14, he had been on vacation, and "things are running back to normality"
10:40:35LinusNsilent since then
10:40:40Bgeraha...
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10:43:47|Lupin|Someone saw my mail on rockbox-dev, guys ?
10:44:39LinusNyes i saw it
10:45:09|Lupin|LinusN: May I ask wether it inspires you sth ?
10:45:44LinusNmore like transpiring :-)
10:45:56|Lupin|hmm...
10:46:11|Lupin|Is there sth I can do to help ?
10:46:27|Lupin|(hopefully someone can reproduce the problem...)
10:46:32LinusNonly directories are spelled, right?
10:46:51|Lupin|it's the feeling I got, yes.
10:47:31|Lupin|at the root of the disk, I have three directories which are read
10:47:37|Lupin|and twice I hear nothing
10:47:50LinusNthere are separate settings for directories and files
10:47:51|Lupin|s/twice/thrice/
10:48:26|Lupin|and I have exactly three files sitting there: the firmware I used while upgrading, rockbox.iriver, and a song I put there on purpose.
10:48:35|Lupin|oh really ?
10:48:38|Lupin|Ok, I check.
10:48:40LinusN|Lupin|: just curious, how do you IRC? you have a sighted person with you?
10:49:15|Lupin|no no :)
10:49:18|Lupin|Fortunately not :)
10:49:25|Lupin|I use something called a "braille terminal".
10:49:30LinusNaha
10:49:34|Lupin|Have a look to http://mielke.cc/brltty/
10:49:40LinusNtechnology nowadays...
10:50:05|Lupin|powerful indeed.
10:50:10LinusNdamn cool
10:50:39|Lupin|yeah
10:52:14|Lupin|Being able touse Linux was really a liberation...
10:52:23LinusNdid it take you long to learn braille?
10:53:06|Lupin|Hmm, it works much better now ! Really sorry forthe trouble. It might be better not to apologize onthelist, to avoid disturbing people even more, but I'm really confused I didn't find it out myself...
10:53:19LinusN:-)
10:54:00|Lupin|LinusN: Learning braille is just as difficult as learning any other writing technique, I think. Luckily enough, I was born blind so I learned it at school at the same age other people learn to read / write...
10:54:11LinusN(how does a smiley look in braille?)
10:54:34|Lupin|like a : followed by a )
10:54:47|Lupin|i.e. you have to learn them by heart, but it's not too difficult...
10:55:33LinusNi'm looking for some braille alphabet cards, but the punctuation characters aren't there
10:55:48|Lupin|indeed
10:56:06|Lupin|unfortunately they depend on the country, and on even more other factors
10:56:15|Lupin|like who built the braille terminal you use.
10:56:43|Lupin|Would it be feasable (easy) to interrupt the spelling when a key is pressed ?
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10:57:25LinusN|Lupin|: i think so
10:58:10|Lupin|it'd really be good: it'd make things much more interactive and fluid, IMHO.
10:58:44LinusNwait, so it doesn't interrupt the spelling when you move the cursor to a new file?
10:58:48|Lupin|Well: I'll probably have to go through all the guides written for developers and try to submit patches myself, instead of requiring for features...
10:59:03|Lupin|No, it does not.
10:59:13LinusNthat's a bug
10:59:44|Lupin|It gets confused and mixes speling of several files when I do it a bit quickly...
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11:00:01LinusNthe archos version works better in that respect
11:00:01|Lupin|LinusN: Do you know in which part of the sources this is handled ?
11:00:24|Lupin|ah the code for Archos is not the same than the one for Iriver ?
11:00:35LinusNno, not the audio parts
11:00:50|Lupin|Too bad it is not possible to share code...
11:00:52LinusNthe voice support for iriver is still a work in progress
11:01:18|Lupin|I thought common code (depending on some hardware specific functions) could be used...
11:01:33Bgerthat's the plan..
11:01:43|Lupin|I see...
11:02:27LinusN|Lupin|: it's the hardware specific functions that is the problem
11:02:48|Lupin|May I ask what's missing ?
11:03:27LinusNthe iriver code has a special handling for voice playback that mixes the voice with the music
11:03:55LinusNand that code is not perfected yet
11:03:58|Lupin|yeah, indeed. this is notpossible on Archos models ?
11:04:02LinusNno
11:04:10|Lupin|ok so Iriver is nice :-)
11:04:42LinusNsort of :-)
11:05:22|Lupin|How is it possible to stop/pause playing a song ? Is it mandatory to use theQuick menu ?
11:08:48amiconnhi LinusN :)
11:09:11LinusN|Lupin|: you can only stop/pause a song in the wps
11:09:15LinusNamiconn: yo yo yo
11:09:38amiconnLinusN: I have a patch that I would like you to have a look at it :)
11:10:35amiconnI've implemented two additional iram sections, .irodata (selectable with ICONST_ATTR) and .ibss (selectable with IBSS_ATTR)
11:10:44LinusNamiconn: what did i miss about the refresh timer?
11:11:37amiconnYou set the counter to 48 cycles, but the comment said 64. Furthermore, 80 cycles is stil within specs for 4096-cyle-refresh sdram
11:12:03LinusNoops
11:12:07|Lupin|LinusN: but which keys should I use to stop/pause, pls ?
11:12:11Bgerofft: any near time for h300, LinusN ?
11:12:24LinusNyour new optimized copy loops have a tiny flaw
11:12:42LinusN|Lupin|: the Play key toggles play and pause
11:12:57LinusN|Lupin|: the Stop key stops
11:13:12amiconnLinusN: .irodata is only cosmetic, for allowing const data in iram w/o the compiler complaining about a section type conflict
11:13:40LinusNBger: time, oh, give me time... (Culture Club IIRC)
11:13:45amiconnHowever, .ibss reduces binary size quite a bit - ~500 bytes on archos, ~30 KB on iriver
11:13:56LinusNamiconn: great
11:14:27LinusNamiconn: the optimized copy loops can't handle empty sections
11:14:29Bger(
11:14:31Bger:(
11:15:36|Lupin|It works indeed. The way it stops / pauses is a bit surprising, though: instead of doing it directly, first the volume decreases a litle bit, andthen only it stops or pauses.
11:16:02amiconnLinusN: I know. crt0.S could handle empty sections before on iriver, but not on archos. My new patch corrects that for both (except the stack munge which should never be empty)
11:16:05LinusN|Lupin|: i guess the "fade on stop" option is enabled
11:16:09Bger|Lupin| crossfade on ?
11:16:19Bgeroh, sorry :0
11:16:58|Lupin|ahah !
11:17:08|Lupin|So many stupidquestions in one morning...
11:18:08LinusNamiconn: the iriver .iramloop doesn't handle empty sections anymore
11:18:39*|Lupin| promise he'll read the available doc before asking _any_ further question.
11:19:29LinusNamiconn: i like your idea about the new sections
11:19:56amiconn[11:14:00] <amiconn> LinusN: I know. crt0.S could handle empty sections before on iriver, but not on archos. My new patch corrects that for both (except the stack munge which should never be empty)
11:20:15LinusNi reread that and understood what you meant, sorry
11:21:02amiconnamiconn.dyndns.org/iram-sections.patch">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/iram-sections.patch
11:22:21amiconnThis patch also tries to unify the init code a bit more (label names etc)
11:22:36amiconnI already have that running on my 5 rockboxes :)
11:23:02LinusNi like it, commit it
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11:39:20B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/IMG_0761.JPG
11:39:32B4gder>3 years ago by now
11:41:04Bgerthere must be a new issue :P "Rewriting DAP firmware from scratch..."
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12:02:51SlasheriBagder: hehe, that is a nice shirt ;)
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12:12:50Bgerhigh:P
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12:19:11markunamiconn: I juste made a crossfeed dsp effect for rockbox. Could you take a look at it and tell me what could be optimized?
12:21:54markunSlasheri: When I leave USB mode it rescans the HD. If it rockbox.iriver was changed it askes me if I want to reboot. After rebooting the dircache is rebuild, but not in the background..
12:22:43Slasherimarkun: Ah yes, that is a bug. I will fix it right now (just got some time) :)
12:22:59Slasherior it was a feature but now i consider it as a bug..
12:23:03markunGreat.
12:23:11|Lupin|pls, what does ISR mean in rockbox's source code ?
12:23:27LinusNInterrupt Service Routine
12:23:35|Lupin|oh of course, thx.
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12:31:59Rorican anyone explain what 'move to next folder' is supposed to do?
12:32:05RoriIn playback options
12:32:22Roriif it's what I think it is it don't work
12:32:44markunRori: I continues playing the next folder in the tree after it finishes playing the current folder.
12:32:54Roridoes not work then
12:33:03markunNever tried it.
12:33:12RoriI play the last song in a folder and it always goes back to the first track in the folder
12:33:30markunMaybe it's on repeat?
12:33:31Roriit never goes to the next folder
12:34:10RoriReapt all is on
12:34:18Rorirepeat all
12:34:41Rorithat should mean it would only repeat all from the beginning once it reached the last folder
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12:35:46markunI'm not sure what it should do.
12:36:18LinusNRori: i agree, and work is being done, but for now, you'll have to set repeat=off
12:36:37FebsRepeat all means that it repeats all songs in the current playlist.
12:36:48FebsWhen playing a folder, the playlist is the folder.
12:36:53Roriok
12:37:03Rorianyhow turning it off fixed it
12:37:04Rorita
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13:00:17markunCan anyone take a look at and comment on my crossfeed effect? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/crossfeed.diff
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13:14:59_FireFly_markun: that isn't the complete patch is it ?
13:15:33_FireFly_because i can't see where DSP_CROSSFEED is declared
13:16:02markun_FireFly_: I forgot to include dsp.h and I need to change the settings menu.
13:16:47_FireFly_ah ok, don't forget to bump the config-version define in setting.c
13:17:01markunapply_crossfeed takes up a lot of CPU, but I don't really know how to optimize it.
13:17:44_FireFly_CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION must be bumped if the setting is changed
13:17:50_FireFly_in settings.c
13:17:53markunYes, I know.
13:18:06B4gderneuros reached slashdot
13:18:17amiconn_FireFly_: Bumping the config version is *only* necessary when some in-between setting is changed (removed, or different bit width)
13:18:19B4gderhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/19/012249&from=rss
13:18:19LinusNno, it doesn't have to be bumped if you add the setting last
13:18:29amiconnJust appending a new setting at the end doesn't require it
13:18:35_FireFly_ah ok
13:19:06_FireFly_i had to bump it in my remote patch because i had added the new settings for the remote not on the end
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13:37:22Slasherimarkun: Hmm, that crossfeed patch looks nice :)
13:37:48markunpreglow just gave me some macros to optimize it.
13:37:58Slasheriah, good
13:38:01preglowwe need dsp plugins!
13:38:14Slasheri=)
13:38:20markunWhat about a concert-hall reverb? :)
13:38:24preglowhaha
13:38:37preglowshould be easy if our poor cpu can stand the memory overhead
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13:47:40FebsThe world is apparently waiting for parametric EQ: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1595.0
13:48:44thegeek_well
13:48:45thegeek_I agree
13:48:55thegeek_a good eq is the only feature I'm really missing;)
13:49:10preglowwell
13:49:27preglowi guess i could start working on it
13:49:37preglowbut i don't have much time for rockbox now
13:49:42thegeek_ha! you'd better get it finished soon!
13:49:43thegeek_;)
13:50:08thegeek_that was a joke btw;)
13:51:37FebsI think that a parametric EQ would be a good addition to Rockbox ... although I personally usually keep the EQ flat.
13:51:58thegeek_mhm
13:52:09FebsJust out of curiosity, if the EQ is done in software, how much of a battery hit would it cause?
13:54:17preglowi never use the eq
13:54:19BgerFebs there's no other opportunity than doing it in software on iriver
13:54:35preglowbut i guess i'm the best chance of an eq happening anyway
13:54:35Bgerif u want more than bass & trebble
13:57:09FebsOh, I understand that the DAC has only bass and treble boost functions, and therefore any other EQ needs to be in software. I am assuming that it will reduce battery life for the same reason that use of the SRS/WOW function on the original firmware reduces battery life.
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14:00:07Bgerpreglow ?
14:00:17preglowBger: yes?
14:00:32Bgerabout the software EQ and battery usage :)
14:00:39preglowit will affect battery usage
14:00:51preglowhow much depends on how good a job i do
14:00:55preglowand how many bands you people want
14:01:02FebsMakes sense. :)
14:01:05Bgerhehe :)
14:02:00Bgeri think at least 5 bands... maybe an option between 5 and 10 ...
14:03:03preglowwell, the number is really just a gui issue
14:03:10preglowinternally, it's easy to add as many as you want
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14:05:24Bgerits battery usage will be linear func of the number of bands or ?
14:05:34preglowwell, yeah
14:05:35Bgers/battery/cpu
14:05:42pregloweach band takes an equal amount of cpu,so that should be true
14:07:25FebsIf and when you do get around to writing an EQ function, let me know and I'd be happy to write documentation.
14:07:30preglowokies
14:07:44preglowi might start doing some preliminary work afterwards
14:08:38*Febs ponders how to explain "Q" to an audience that doesn't understand what "bass" and "treble" are.
14:08:40XavierGrpreglow: I was wondering if one can make the crossfade option to be trigerred only in track skipping? My unit is faulty and whenever I skip a track with ffw/rw sometimes I can hear a pop (or a segment of the track).
14:08:51preglowFebs: perhaps bandwidth is a better term to use
14:09:09XavierGrThough crossfade works okay but I can't have gapless if set to mix
14:09:10preglowXavierGr: ask slasheri
14:09:27SlasheriHmm.. I will try to buy a broken h320 from ebay.. It looks pretty cheap, only hdd broken :)
14:09:34XavierGrI thought you were for it I will, thanks anyway.
14:09:44XavierGroh hi Slasheri.
14:09:49Slasherihi
14:09:53XavierGrIs my question possible?
14:10:05SlasheriXavierGr: what kind of tracks are you playing?
14:10:27Slasheriif you hear segments of previous track with crossfade, it seems that decoding is not fast enough (high bitrate file or musepack)
14:10:28XavierGrmp3 only 160 cbr and 192 vbr
14:10:35Slasherihmm, weird..
14:10:44XavierGrnono crossfading works okay
14:10:57Slasherioh, so that's without crossfade?
14:11:09preglowwithout crossfade it glitches like mad
14:11:11XavierGryes
14:11:13preglowso there's no surprise there
14:11:19Slasheriok, i will try to fix that..
14:11:25Slasheriit's a bug
14:11:31preglowno shit :P
14:11:34Slasheri:)
14:11:38XavierGrfix what I thought that this was my player.
14:11:48*XavierGr got confused
14:12:03Slasherii haven't noticed it because i always have crossfade enabled :/
14:12:14XavierGrI thought that only my player did these pops on track skipping (not normal changing)
14:12:15preglowand i never use crossfade, so i always notice it
14:12:21XavierGr:/
14:12:29XavierGrCrossfade works like a charm yes.
14:12:58XavierGrAh so there are those skipping pops left, then it isn't my unit?
14:13:31preglowwhat i'm talking about is that skipping to a new track sometimes results in the old track popping back in sometimes
14:13:49preglowusually a couple of times before the new track starts playing straight
14:13:52XavierGryes exactly!
14:14:12XavierGrbut this appears more than oftet to me.
14:14:19preglowhappens all the time to me
14:14:28preglowslasheri knows why it happens
14:14:33preglowand it shouldn't be too hard to fix, afaik
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14:14:39XavierGryeah I suppose so.
14:15:04XavierGrIt is just that someone told me that this isn't the case for his unit so I thought that my unit is mulnfunctioning
14:15:40XavierGrand yes if these pops can be removed I would be in debt to you Slash :D
14:16:55XavierGroh and Slasheri, what about gapless tracks (joined tracks) if you have crossfade on you can't hear them in the right way, do you like that? (I guess you dont have much of these trackes then)
14:17:26SlasheriXavierGr: i have some but not many. anyway, i will try to fix that problem very soon
14:18:37XavierGrbut I guess that it would be far more complex even impossible to determine if a track has a joined end to another (and set crossfade off) or not (and set crossfade on)... seems very difficult to me
14:19:25Slasheriyep, it is difficult but maybe possible
14:19:53Slasheriwe could check the volume level or something like that at the very and and beginning of the tracks
14:20:07Slasheri*end
14:20:40Slasherii can try that also when i have time enough..
14:21:15XavierGr:D great that's awesome.
14:24:03amiconnSlasheri: While you are at it, you might have a look at another iriver playback glitch that isn't present in the archos playback engine
14:24:27XavierGrPlayback code, and boot code (low level, initialization of the device) seems like magic to me, they are like two big black boxes. I guess you have to know many things about audio in general and audio formats to code, especially dsp and eq...
14:25:43Bgermore probably u must know DSP to code DSP/EQ stuff
14:25:56amiconnWith ffwd/rewind, the progress bar briefly snaps back to zero when releasing the button, then it jumps to the correct time again
14:26:05amiconnThis is somewhat irritating...
14:26:35XavierGryes I see that too.
14:26:52XavierGrthough not so annoying...
14:27:55FebsWhen FF/RWing a large .wav file, the progress bar will advance, but then snap back to the original position.
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14:32:15Slasheriargh.. now i hate ebay so much and don't trust it at all.. The registration process failed just at the point where i was requested to provide the credit card information. Server error, user not found etc..
14:32:55Slasheriamiconn: Hmm, i will look that
14:33:21XavierGrwell I have found a minor solution over frauds with credit cards.
14:34:39XavierGrI have a different bank account with a safe ammount of funds. (e.g. 100 euros) Then I got a debit card for this bank acount and registered paypal. Even if my number gets on evil hands I will not loose more than 100 euros.
14:35:11XavierGrBut I guess that this will be a pain for heavy online users.
14:35:19ashridahXavierGr: you can get banks that will issue one-shot CC numbers with preset limits
14:35:21SlasheriHmm.. i have a visa card
14:35:43ashridahyou order a one-shot off their website with XXX amount on it, pay for it, and the CC's useless after that one transaction
14:36:09SlasheriIf i understood correctly, it might be possible that the bank can "cancel" incorrect charges and return the funds.
14:36:25XavierGrmight?
14:36:36Slasherii have never tried that
14:36:44B4gderchargeback
14:36:49Slasheribut heard from other people that with visa it can be possible
14:37:03B4gder(is the term, as used by paypal at least)
14:37:30XavierGrit will be a difficult situtation to try to persuade them that you did't made the transaction
14:37:54XavierGrhttp://www.mail-archive.com/mp3encoder@minnie.tuhs.org/msg01984.html
14:38:07XavierGrwhat sort of developer attitude is that?
14:39:03Zagorare you sure he is a LAME developer?
14:39:03XavierGrI mean at list he could be kind, there was no sarcasm in the question....
14:39:30XavierGrTEXT:Let's write and contribute it to us.
14:39:31B4gderI believe it might be a language problem too
14:39:41B4gderhis english isn't exactly flawless
14:39:55B4gderand then it may sound bulkier than what he intended it to
14:40:29*B4gder in a forgiving mood today
14:40:48B4gderjust note how I didn't trigger on the neuros mails ;-)
14:40:50XavierGrhave to eat later all!
14:41:51muesli-happy pita m8 :D
14:42:15XavierGrsteak for the moment!
14:42:44muesli-jesus! :D
14:58:46_FireFly_It is possible that the bootloader switch the backlight of the remote (iriver) on
14:59:01_FireFly_or isn't enough free space to add this to the bootloader
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15:00:23muesli-btw are fadings in remote backlight possible?
15:00:33ashridahmuesli-: no
15:00:43muesli-oh :(
15:01:02muesli-why not?
15:01:22ashridahmuesli-: the electro-luminesent lighting in the remote can't stand the kind of pulse width modulation that's possible with normal LED's
15:01:41ashridahit has three states. on. off. or burning out
15:01:43ashridah:)
15:01:49muesli-well.. ;)
15:02:02B4gderin that third state, does it fade? ;-P
15:02:16_FireFly_only once i think :)
15:02:21B4gderhehe
15:02:32muesli-at least though ;)
15:03:04_FireFly_but what about my question ??
15:03:32B4gderyes it is possible, but no I don't think it belongs there
15:03:52muesli-l8er..
15:05:22_FireFly_i tried it to add this to the bootloader but it said that there weren't enought iram left
15:05:32B4gderiram?
15:05:41B4gderwhy have it in iram?
15:05:50_FireFly_i don't know
15:06:14_FireFly_maybe i had add it to the wronk function wich is in iram
15:06:19_FireFly_wrong
15:06:23B4gderoh well, I'm not that fluent in the bootloader internals
15:06:41amiconnSlasheri: Where and when does it print the "rebuilding cache" text now? Can't test right now, iriver @home..
15:07:37amiconn_FireFly_: The bootloader only ever uses iram or flash itself, never uses dram
15:07:52amiconnOtherwise it wouldn't be able to load the new image there...
15:08:12_FireFly_so then it isn't currently possible to add this to the bootloader
15:09:01B4gderwell it could use dram temporarily
15:09:18B4gder:-)
15:09:20_FireFly_because it would be nice if the bootloader indicates that he is running by switching the backlight of the remote on
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15:10:10_FireFly_or he could also display an text when the hold is on :)
15:10:14B4gderpersonally I like "I'm now started beep" of the original iriver fw
15:12:43Slasheriamiconn: only when enabling the cache first time (or disabling it, rebooting and enabling again)
15:12:56Slasherior if the reserve space runs out..
15:13:16_FireFly_i must go cu you later
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15:14:56SlasheriHmm, i was just thinkin if i could build the bdm for H320 if i manage to buy it from ebay.. But it seems the coldfire is more complicated and simply an interface cable with computer wouldn't be enough
15:15:58Bgersomeone asked could he build its own BDM for iriver and linus replyed him that it's very difficult
15:16:06Bgertiming issues etc (iirc)
15:16:29Slasheriah, yes.. it would require a microcontroller
15:17:08Slasheri:/
15:17:15B4gderSlasheri: we could very likely sponsor you a BDM
15:17:37SlasheriHmm.. :)
15:18:05Slasherireally?
15:18:07B4gderthey're available for USD150
15:18:53SlasheriBut first i need to get the unit from ebay somehow.. Now to a lecture, see you soon ->
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15:22:50Slasheriah, there is wlan :)
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15:23:31markunSlasheri: dircaching is still not interrupted on shutdown, is it?
15:23:51Slasherimarkun: no, but it will be fixed on next commit :)
15:24:01markunnice
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15:34:10_FireFly_so i'm back :)
15:36:54Bgerhm, B4gder, why the logbot thinks that the current year is 105 ? :)
15:37:16B4gderit is almost taiwanese!
15:37:21B4gder:-)
15:37:25Bgerhehe
15:37:35B4gderalthough they're on year 94
15:37:53B4gderbut ok, I am lame
15:37:58Bger11 years in the future... not so much :)
15:38:36B4gderlocaltime() returns year as year - 1900
15:39:16_FireFly_:)
15:39:16Bgeraha :) i supposed something similar
15:39:31B4gderand for < 2000 years, it looks ok
15:40:24Bgerjust add 1900 to it and it's ok :P
15:40:29B4gderyep
15:40:45B4gderI guess it shows how old that thing is
15:41:40Bgerthe interesting part is that nobody told this before.. most probably nobody cares...
15:42:51B4gderto tell the truth, I'm not sure if we run the very latest code or not
15:46:17|Lupin|Pls: who is responsible of the voice handling code for Iriver ?
15:46:44Bgerslasheri wrote it
15:47:27|Lupin|thanks !
15:47:37Bgerfor nothing
15:48:02|Lupin|:)
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15:52:20amiconnB4gder: Hmm, and logbot still can't explain anything :(
15:52:32*amiconn wonders why he recovered the whole list...
15:52:36B4gdernope
15:56:09markunIn case anyone is interested in crossfeed: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/crossfeed.iriver
15:56:33LinusNamiconn: you wonder why you recovered it?
15:58:31LinusNi can only guess that you did it because you think it's a fun feature of logbot
15:59:01LinusNi spent hours trying to figure out why the explain feature has stopped working in logbot
15:59:42LinusNthen i ran out of time and had to do more important stuff
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16:00:08LinusNand then i forgot about it
16:03:13preglowlogbot can explain me things?
16:04:00amiconnLinusN: I think it has to do with user rights in logbot
16:04:15amiconnOne needs sufficient rights in order to use the expadd command
16:05:02LinusNyes, but logbot should at least explain the stuff that is already in the database
16:05:19LinusNnow it doesn't explain anything at all
16:12:10markunXavierGr: Did you try the crossfeed build?
16:17:08amiconnLinusN: Are there some default entries in the database?
16:18:21ZagorLinusN: sounds like a privilege level thing
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16:21:59amiconnI suspect there is nothing in the explain database since you updated the server installation
16:25:50Roriis crossfeed a plugin?
16:27:05markunNo, it's a dsp effect.
16:27:42Rorihow do I use it?
16:27:58RoriI was looking for a crossfeed effect
16:28:00markunJust run crossfeed.iriver and listen using headphones.
16:28:16RoriI mean how do I install it?
16:28:47markunYou can compare the sound by first listening to the sound with rockbox.iriver and then crossfeed.iriver.
16:29:00markunYou can just put it on your iriver and run it.
16:29:10markun.. click on it
16:29:10Rorioic
16:29:39markunI will make it optional so you can turn it on and off, but right now it's always on.
16:30:06markunIt uses quite some CPU though. Preglow will look into optimizing it some more.
16:30:12RoriRockbox is so darned clever
16:30:59Rorisounds good
16:31:24RoriI always have a problem listening to stuff on headphones because I get that weird balancing effect
16:31:35markunDo you have some songs whith extreme panning? Sounds coming from only one speaker.
16:31:36Roricrossfeed solves that for me
16:31:41Roriyeah sometimes
16:31:50Roriit drives me crazy
16:32:04Rorisounds like a pumping effect from one ear to the other
16:32:18Roricrossfeed solves that problem for me
16:32:47markunYes, that's why I made it. The effect is very strong on old albums like The Beatles and Jimi Hendrix, but also some newer albums.
16:33:05Rorilooking forward to an optimized version. I will use it all the time thanks :)
16:33:31RoriI got a lot of dance music that goes mad on pans and weird spreads
16:34:23Rorithis sounds nicey nice
16:34:27markunJust tell me if you find any problems with it. The volume is quite a bit lower, but I don't know if that can be fixed.
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16:34:49Rorihmm. not noticed
16:35:09Rorisounds as loud as ever to me
16:35:24markunHm, well, it shouldn't :)
16:35:49RoriI always have it all the way up with no eq on
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16:36:10markunWow.. what kind of headphones do you have?
16:36:31RoriSen PX100's
16:36:48RoriI like my bass end
16:37:02markunI'm listening with Koss Porta Pro at about 70% right now.
16:37:09RoriI have those too
16:37:16Rorilets test
16:37:19markunNormally at 65
16:38:20RoriThe Porta Pro's sounds almost exactly like the PX100's to my ears
16:39:13RoriIn fact I'd say the PX100's have the edge. Bit more bass end. Porta Pro's are a little more mid range
16:39:49RoriPX100's have a more rounded bottom
16:39:55Roriand clearer highs
16:40:07markunI've never listened to the PX100's. I believe that HCl has a pair, maybe I can try them out sometime.
16:40:12RoriYou might not like them if you like it more punchy in the middle
16:40:21Roriyeah do so
16:40:29Rorithere is a difference but not a major one
16:40:45RoriI like the sound of the PX100's and they are more comfy
16:40:57markunI cut a hole in the foam of my porta pro's to get more highs.
16:41:13Roriheh
16:41:23Roriyeah the foams can be a bit dead
16:41:50RoriI'd love to try some Sure EC2's or EC3's
16:42:18markunMe too. Do you by any chance have the sony ex71?
16:42:26Rorino
16:42:41thegeek_the shure e3's are ok
16:42:45thegeek_but weak bass
16:42:50thegeek_get the new shure e4's instead
16:42:57Rorihmmm how much?
16:43:04markunThey're too expensive for me I think.
16:43:25Zagorthe problem with them are that they are so expensive I want to try them before buying.
16:43:32thegeek_how much what Rori
16:43:34Zagorbut very few places allow testing in-ear headphones
16:43:39thegeek_indeed
16:43:47XavierGrmarkun: Can you explain me what this firmware does?
16:44:03ZagorI got burned by the Etymotics and don't trust other people's ears any more..,
16:44:03RoriSure e4's
16:44:36markunXavierGr: It tries to make the music sound a bit like when you listen to speakers instead of headphones.
16:44:50ZagorRori: about $300
16:44:54*Rori 's jaw drops
16:45:03Rori8O
16:45:10XavierGrstrange! I will try it...
16:45:15markunThere are some songs that make you dizzy with headphones because the use of stereo is so extreme.
16:45:15Zagoryeah. so it's not something you want to buy on chance.
16:45:21Rori~8O
16:45:32RoriI'd go for the E2C's
16:45:41thegeek_I really like my shure e3's
16:45:42XavierGrah you mean when they change between channels too fast?
16:45:46_FireFly_markun have you a complete patch somewhere ??
16:45:46thegeek_primarily for sleeping;)
16:46:02RoriI heard they are good for bass
16:46:09XavierGrI have shure e2c great phones, though not for a quick fit.
16:46:15RoriBut E3's are a bit light on bass
16:46:23Rorihmm
16:46:25markun_FireFly_: I can make a patch, but I still didn't make a setting to enable or disable it..
16:46:50RoriI need to find a proper headfi shop and preview them
16:46:51thegeek_hmm
16:46:55thegeek_not bad markun
16:47:00_FireFly_that is no problem maybe i add an option :)
16:47:05thegeek_but you are right, it does lower volume quite a bit
16:48:21thegeek_it's especially bad in combination with voice
16:48:28Roriyeah reloaded rockbox and volume is way higher
16:48:42LinusNamiconn: yes, the database has default entries
16:48:46thegeek_because the voice when browsing is so loud compared to the music
16:49:19Rorishit how can you listen as low as 70% volume? :)
16:49:32Roriit's like a whisper to me
16:49:35markun_FireFly_: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/crossfeed.diff
16:49:52Rori100% all the way dude
16:49:54LinusN70% is slightly below the pain limit for me with my EX70's
16:49:54markunRori: Maybe we have different hearing?
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16:50:19RoriLinusN was talking about on Porta Pro's or Senn PX100's
16:50:33RoriI just love LOUD! :)
16:50:41RoriFat bass from my dance music
16:50:53Roriprobably why my hearing is a bit fubar :D
16:51:08_FireFly_then have fun with tinnitus ;)
16:51:14XavierGrwell with my shure e2c I can't get higher that 80-85! But with standart phones on crowded enviroment(always) up to 100!
16:51:23amiconnthegeek_: The voice files are already built scaled down to 70% of full level...
16:51:31thegeek_yeah
16:51:36thegeek_that's good for the normal build too
16:51:39Roriyeah which is why I was thinking of getting some good in ear phones
16:51:47markunthegeek_: The low volume comes from the high- and low-pass filters.
16:51:48Roriso I can have a bit of range
16:51:50thegeek_but markun's crossfeed build is not as loud as normal loud
16:51:51XavierGrThough I listen almost only classical music wich tends to have lower recorded levels
16:51:53thegeek_hm
16:51:54thegeek_mhm
16:52:20Rorifile under 'needs some tweaking' :)
16:52:26XavierGrFireFly: I have tinnitus but because of a series of bad dives I made not listening to 100
16:52:40amiconnLinusN, Bagder, Zagor: What do you think about reversing the volume <-> treble/bass logic in rockbox too. I'm fed up by all these reports...
16:52:43amiconn?
16:53:11_FireFly_yepp tinnitus doesn't came from hearing to too loud music/noice
16:53:14RoriEQ is worthless to me
16:53:16XavierGrlol
16:53:23Roriit does weird stuff at full volume so I don't bother
16:53:26XavierGrme too
16:53:45_FireFly_*only
16:53:51RoriI went for a headscan the other day
16:53:57Rorifor hearing issues ;)
16:54:11Rorigotta go back on the 28th of next month to see what they found if anything
16:54:26Rorithe normal hearing test they said my hearing is fine though
16:54:43RoriI occasionally get earache, buzzing and tinitus
16:54:44XavierGrtinnitus drived me mad in the first days, I was depressed by that damn thing! :(
16:55:01Rorithought I'd get it checked out by an ENT
16:55:09_FireFly_don't concentrate on this
16:55:21XavierGrKnowing that I will have this for the rest of my life...especially when you are involved in music a s a teacher.
16:55:36Roriconstant tinitus would drive me nuts
16:55:48Roritried vitamin supplements?
16:56:03XavierGrno
16:56:08RoriI hear there are various things you can do that may help
16:56:14_FireFly_you must ignore the tinnitus as far as you can
16:56:16Rorigoogle up on tinitus
16:56:37_FireFly_so that it doesn't teach your life
16:56:37RoriI'd try a few remedies just for the hell of it anyhow
16:56:44XavierGryes I read that there are some tips to get it to lower volumes
16:56:56Roriworth trying
16:56:59_FireFly_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus
16:57:20XavierGrFor the time being it is annoying when I try to sleep.
16:57:33XavierGrBut If I am tired I cant really give it attention.
16:58:03RoriI love boasting about how Rockbox does this that and the other..."Oh your MP3 player doesn't have gapless? Bummer" :D
16:58:39XavierGrthe worst thing is sometimes when I listen to my favorite music this buzzing sound intereferes with music and I have the feeling that music is clipping.
16:59:23RoriXavierGr I get that buzzing sometimes...usually when it's a high volume midrange frequency though
16:59:24markunWhen I told a guy from work I was adding crossfeed to rockbox he was annoyed that he has an ipod :)
16:59:31Rorionly in the left ear
16:59:35Rorisounds like distortion
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17:00:14XavierGryeah exactly it's in my left ear too.
17:00:15RoriI have some light ringing in my left ear now from listening too loudly ;)
17:01:07RoriI have a skin complaint that does not help. I get dry skin and hard wax buildup. Have to clean them regularly.
17:01:15_FireFly_ahm markun this isn't the complete patch is it??
17:01:28_FireFly_because DSP_CROSSFEED isn't defined in this patch
17:01:32Roribeen using that Audiclean every couple of days
17:01:44markun_FireFly_: I commented it out, didn't I?
17:02:05_FireFly_oh yes
17:02:09RoriI wish there was a way to bypass the ears and plug sound directly to the brain sometimes :)
17:02:23_FireFly_but i can't apply the patch
17:02:30XavierGrHaha!
17:03:02_FireFly_some sort of tinnitus doesn't have to do with the ears
17:03:05markun_FireFly_: strange.. it's from an updated tree
17:03:17_FireFly_he say that he can't find the file
17:03:20markun_FireFly_: go to the apps dir and try again
17:03:55_FireFly_moep :)
17:04:13markun"moep" is that good?
17:04:26_FireFly_that isn't the right thing to make a patch
17:05:06_FireFly_moep doesn't mean anything ;)
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17:05:27markunSometimes rockbox shuts down after finishing a dir.. it just happened again :(
17:05:29_FireFly_ups does
17:05:41_FireFly_argh
17:06:13_FireFly_i mean that it doesn't mean anything
17:06:54RoriI've had rockbox crash a few times...pin in hole to reset
17:07:20markun_FireFly_: but does the patch work now?
17:07:23RoriIt may be the wps it does not like I am unsure. I have not seen it crash yet with default settings
17:07:26_FireFly_yepp
17:07:34XavierGr%acVol:%pv-%?mp<Play|%?mu<Pause|%?mw<FastFwd|%?mb<FastRw|>>-%?ps<Shuffle|>-%?mf<|%?ma<Repeat All|%?mo<Repeat One|%?ms<Repeat Shuffle|>>
17:07:51XavierGrwhy is this wrong?
17:08:02XavierGrI want with ifs to print in the screen the status of playback
17:09:33XavierGropps I know I dont close the else statements
17:09:59_FireFly_;)
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17:17:10_FireFly_markun: yepp the volume is a little bit lower then without crossfeed
17:17:28XavierGrgrrr I cant get it to work!!
17:17:46XavierGrsorry for this but...
17:17:49XavierGr%?mp<-Play|%?mu<-Pause|%?mw<-FastFwd|%?mb<-FastRw|>>>>
17:18:03XavierGrThis will not display anything to me.
17:19:05_FireFly_ähm mu mw mb doen*t exist
17:19:09_FireFly_doesn't
17:19:44_FireFly_%?mp<%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd|%xde> so is mine
17:20:27_FireFly_%?mp<Stop|Play|Pause|Ffwd|Rew> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Playback_mode_tags
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17:20:36XavierGrbut the CUSTOM_WPS_FORMAT in the rockbox dir says mp e.t.c?
17:20:43XavierGrI guess it is outdated then
17:21:22_FireFly_yepp
17:23:00XavierGrIs there a chance to render a stop condition into WPS?
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17:23:13XavierGrI thought that when you press stop the wps quits to the tree.
17:23:33_FireFly_afaik currently not
17:24:42_FireFly_we had to stay in wps when pressing stop to render the stop image
17:25:11_FireFly_as the iriver fw does
17:34:55amiconnStaying in the while *playing* screen doesn't make much sense to me when nothing is playing...
17:36:35XavierGrI agree with amiconn, but then why inlcude a stop state for the wps?
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18:24:15_FireFly_XavierGr: the %mp tag doesn't realy include the stop state the stop state is only the default state-value, which will be return if no other state are set
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20:00:11Rori"
20:00:24Roribummer
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20:04:42ep0chdoes anyone have a dead ihp-120 i can salvage one bit from?
20:05:48ep0chnamely the plastic play/stop/a-b/hold switch cover
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20:09:56thegeek_my hold switch is broken on the inside
20:10:11thegeek_the actual slider-switch had the small plastic bit broken off
20:11:24ep0chthe plastic bit broke in two whilst taking my player apart. I was trying to find out why the HD had died again :(
20:11:42ep0chso not only do i have to buy a new disk i also might need some superglue!
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21:08:31preglowi managed to break some plastic around that part myself
21:08:37preglowwhile being very careful
21:10:00pikeot question: I need a sample of an ALAC (apple lossless) file. anyone might be able to help ?
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21:20:01amiconnpreglow: I think it would be useful to add the special handling for .ibss to plugins and codecs as well
21:32:07preglowwhy?
21:32:51amiconnI think most of the iram data in codecs is uninitialised, so it would save quite some space in the binary
21:33:49amiconn-> faster load, faster init (clearing iram is certainly faster than copying from dram to iram), and perhaps a reduced codec ram area
21:36:38preglowsure
21:38:10Moosthat sound good :-)
21:38:32*amiconn just committed the iram changes
21:43:20preglowso i see
21:48:20amiconnI didn't touch codecs and plugins for now, I just added the possibility to use the 2 new sections
21:49:00amiconnThey can be converted one by one. We can then check the .map files whether it's worth to add special .ibss handling
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22:00:31XavierGrdoes anyone know how to remove all cariage returns (linefeeds) from a word document?
22:00:45_FireFly_*.doc ??
22:00:58preglowi don't think there is such a problem with word documents...
22:00:58XavierGryes
22:01:33preglowit doesn't make sense if you're talking about .doc files
22:03:01XavierGrwell I have a text sent to me by email. When I copy paste to Word linefeeds are present when the line is not full and that is annoying, also the text is large and I don't have time and patience to remove them all manually.
22:03:23amiconnYou can do that with search & replace in word
22:03:52XavierGrsearch and replace what, I cant represent the linefeed
22:04:04XavierGror how can I do that? Which character is the linefeed?
22:04:18_FireFly_\r
22:04:41_FireFly_or 13 dez
22:05:17XavierGr"13 dez"
22:05:21amiconnXavierGr: There is a button in the search dialog to select special characters from
22:06:32XavierGrok I will try and see...
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22:11:14XavierGrno I can't find the linefeeds it is getting on my nerves
22:12:16_FireFly_linefeed or cariage return ??
22:13:14_FireFly_http://www.lookuptables.com/
22:13:15XavierGrwhen copied to notepad2 (with the option to show such symbols) I get a CR LF symbol.
22:14:00_FireFly_thats right for windows new-line representation
22:15:22_FireFly_mac has only CR and all *nix have LF as new-line
22:19:37XavierGrI manually deleted all the CR but I want to learn it for further uses. :X
22:19:54_FireFly_??
22:20:05_FireFly_why do you want to delete the CRs
22:21:28XavierGrbecause the line while not full breaks to a new one, and that is unacceptable.
22:22:10_FireFly_??
22:23:29XavierGrI will explain latter my brother has to write that document, let me get back to you later, thanks for the help anyway.
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22:30:22preglowamiconn: thought any more about the wakeup timer?
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22:31:07solexxcan anybody help me with easytag?
22:31:30_FireFly_if i can
22:31:33solexxi have some track<nn>.flac files and want to tag them with cddb lookup
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22:31:47solexxlookup works fine, but how do i apply the tags!?
22:32:11solexxcurrently, i select all files, do the lookup and click 'apply'
22:32:13muesli-re
22:32:35solexxbut nothing happens
22:32:45solexxthe ui is pretty weird...
22:33:07muesli-www.mp3tag.de another great tagger if ur not satisfied with your tool
22:33:27_FireFly_for linux ??
22:33:32muesli-well
22:33:34solexxyes, linux preferably
22:33:36muesli-erm
22:33:38muesli-noo
22:33:43_FireFly_muesli-: ;)
22:33:47solexxbut probably i shoudl simply reboot
22:33:50muesli-sorry...its for windoof
22:33:54amiconnpreglow: yes
22:34:09solexxalthough i don't know whether my win installation is working at all :-)
22:34:13solexxit's been some time...
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22:35:34solexxdammit, i'll try to use win
22:35:54solexxi'll be back in a minute
22:35:57_FireFly_by me it works
22:36:25_FireFly_i have select my files then run the cddb-search
22:36:54_FireFly_and select the right entry and hit apply and it had changed my tags
22:38:44solexx_FireFly_: do you select every single file plus the corresponding entry?
22:39:00preglowamiconn: anything come out of it yet?=
22:39:24_FireFly_solexx: yepp
22:39:39amiconnI think it's perfectly doable, as a plugin, even without changing something in today's rockbox core
22:39:48solexxah, i thought i could do it for all files with one command
22:39:59amiconnOf course this plugin would have to fiddle with the hardware
22:40:16solexxomg, i have firefox 1.0.2 running here
22:40:27_FireFly_where under windows
22:40:31solexxyep
22:40:36amiconnBefore starting to implement this, I need to do some power measurements for different hardware states
22:40:37_FireFly_ouch
22:40:40_FireFly_a bit old
22:40:53solexxand win is busy downloading patches :9
22:41:57solexxfsck
22:42:14solexxi forgot that i have put all my flacs on an ext3 partition
22:42:41amiconnpreglow: The idea is as follows: The plugin would start running as a standard plugin, and ask you to set a wake up time, possibly checling the battery state and limiting the maximum delay etc
22:43:46solexxdoes anybody have experience with ext2ifs (http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm) under winxp sp2?
22:44:12_FireFly_solexx: it works bud i think you can only do it one album at once
22:44:31solexx_FireFly_: what exactly?
22:44:51_FireFly_tag you files with cddb lookup over easytag
22:45:05solexxhm, i thought i tried that
22:45:09solexxwill do again
22:45:32solexxi am not enough of a hero to use a beta fs driver for windows
22:45:56HClo-o
22:45:58HClicq failed.
22:46:07HClanyways
22:46:11*HCl prods muesli-
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22:46:24amiconnOnce you press "Go", a no-return process starts. First, everything non-critical would be switched off, like lcd and harddisk. CPU will be set either to bypass (11MHz) and pll powered down, or the lowest possible frequency with pll (6.25 MHz), depending on what needs less power. Then some code and a new vector table would be copied to iram. In this stage interrupts must be disabled, and yield must not be called anymore.
22:46:26HClthat makedb.bat for that java thing is extremely wrong, i never wrote that either o-o
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22:46:57_FireFly_i have select the files open the cd-database search and hit the search button and he gaves my the possible entrys which fits to the filename
22:47:03muesli-hcl?
22:47:07HClyes? o.o
22:47:17HClor wasn't that icq messenger you
22:47:21HClin that case i'm confused to who it was.
22:47:31muesli-sure that was me ;)
22:47:36HClk :p
22:47:37HClsorry
22:47:39HClmy icq died
22:47:41muesli-np ;)
22:47:42HClits working again
22:47:44HClanyways.
22:47:46muesli-i c
22:47:52amiconnThe IRAM code would switch off the DRAM refresh, and then go to sleep with a once-per-second timer interrupt. After the selected time has passed, it would reboot the unit by jumping to the appropriate ROM address. Activate resume on startup beforehand (could be done by the plugin) and voila!
22:47:54HClthat makedb.bat is completely wrong
22:48:08HClmy dos .bat scripting is rusty
22:48:27HClbut the first line should definately read java -jar SongDB.jar −−dirisalbumname
22:48:38HCland then probably / behind it
22:48:47HCljava -jar SongDB.jar −−dirisalbumname /
22:50:16_FireFly_good night everybody
22:50:55solexxgood night and thanks for your help
22:50:59_FireFly_np
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22:51:51dsashi all
22:52:01dsasanyone help to me ?
22:52:08dsasfor about HDD UNLOCK
22:52:36amiconnHCl: What's wrong with the script? It does exactly what you said, except the −−-dirisalbumname option
22:52:45HCli don't know, muesli- reported it broken
22:52:54amiconnIt works
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22:53:03muesli-java -jar SongDB.jar −−dirisalbumname /
22:53:08muesli-i forgot the last slash
22:53:08Bromxanyone is there ?
22:53:43Bromxhelp for HDD unlock ?
22:54:41NiliscoDo you have the key?
22:54:52muesli-hdd unlock? how did you lock it?
22:55:04NiliscoIf so, utilities from your manufacturer should have a program to lock and unlock.
22:55:44NiliscoHah, just realize this was the #rockbox channel, opps.
22:57:40muesli-anyway..how did you lock it?
22:58:21Bromx dont know
22:58:29Bromxits unlocked ata password
22:58:35Bromxbut I dont know it password
22:58:59Bromxhow unlock it ?
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23:01:33Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/lock.html
23:01:48BromxI have it,
23:01:51muesli-this concerned archos players?
23:01:59Bromxbut it says to me use ata password
23:02:04BromxI have ata password
23:02:10Bromxbut its ask to me
23:02:21Bromxenter hdd password
23:02:26Bromxso I dont know it
23:02:30Bagdermuesli-: all hard drives have this feature
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23:03:07Bromxmuesli-
23:03:10Bromxwhat is archos ?
23:03:14Bagderwell, the details are all in that page
23:03:37Bromxhmmm
23:03:43BromxBagder, whats is archor
23:03:44muesli-Bromx a mp3 player like iriver
23:03:48Bromxhmmm
23:03:50Bromxumm
23:03:53BagderBromx: this is #rockbox
23:04:01BromxI know
23:04:29BagderRockbox works for Archos and iriver music players
23:04:38Bromxhmmm
23:04:40Bromxok ok
23:04:59BromxI think, rockbox is unlock my computer harddisk
23:05:45Bagderrockbox cannot unlock it, no
23:05:53Bagderreread that page
23:05:54Bromxohhhhhhh
23:06:08BromxDuring development of the Rockbox firmware,
23:06:12BromxI dont see them
23:06:13Bromx:(
23:06:22Bagdersee what?
23:06:37BromxGrab atapwd (written by Alex Mina)
23:06:37BromxCreate a bootable DOS floppy disk, and put atapwd.exe on it
23:06:43BromxI see it
23:06:46Bromxand I think,
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23:07:22muesli-amiconn i've just creatd my database..how do i activate it?
23:07:47sa0hi all
23:07:47preglowamiconn: hmm, didn't consider it being a plugin before
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23:07:56sa0first ... big thx for IriverPort
23:08:00preglowamiconn: any reason for doing it that way? just to minimise bloat?
23:08:21sa0just wanted to know if there is any (even experimental) remote support ?
23:08:29Bagdersa0: there is
23:08:35ender`as far as i can see, the controls work
23:08:37sa0oh oh
23:08:49sa0remote LCD support ?
23:09:04sa0displaying playing title ...
23:09:06ender`just RockBox on it, but i think there's a patch
23:09:33sa0can someone help with this ?
23:09:48MoosBagder: hi, not looked at the TiMiD patch for multi screen suport?
23:09:55Bagdernope
23:10:00Moos:)
23:10:03Bagderno time
23:10:22Moosand your V2 localisation :D
23:10:24Moos?
23:10:35Moosno time too?
23:10:46Bagdernone at all
23:10:49amiconnpreglow: plugin or not, the technique would be very similar. It's easier to start with a plugin though
23:12:19amiconnIn fact it might make sense to put this in the core, perhaps moving the vector table into iram as well
23:13:17amiconnThe bad thing with the vector table on coldfire is that it must be located on an 1 MB boundary, so it has to be placed at the start of iram
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23:31:43XavierGrhi LinusN!
23:31:57LinusNhi
23:32:25XavierGrlong time no see...
23:33:00LinusNyup
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23:57:39amiconnLinusN: Any tips what I could try in order to get the lcd of your oldplayer to work?
23:58:01LinusNwell, clean it and reseat it :-)
23:58:07amiconnThe player works, complete with a new "-" button, except the display

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