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#rockbox log for 2005-11-25

00:00:17Wettamiconn: you were right. It works... much better -_-
00:00:40amiconnGoodie.
00:00:51Wettbut something's strange
00:00:59amiconnBtw, if you're playing .rvf files made for archos you need HZ/67,
00:01:25amiconnbut when tailoring .rvfs for H1xo, HZ/70 are optimal
00:01:43Wettyep but it was just a test video
00:01:47hshahcan anyone please answer my question - where is the code for the remote usb logo kept?
00:01:51hshahwhich file?
00:02:06amiconnWett: yes of course
00:02:31amiconnThe toolchain needs adjustment anyway (different default frequency, different resolution)
00:02:41Wettalready done :)
00:03:16Wettbut about timer : what is the time I give it ?
00:03:47amiconnIt's the number of base system clocks
00:03:58amiconn...between 2 interrupts
00:04:23amiconnBase CPU clocks I mean
00:04:26Wettok, so I should not give it the same that on archos. But... When I gave it the frequency/fps, it was 10 time slower
00:04:39Wettabout
00:05:27LinusNhshah: you don't have the source?
00:05:35LinusNuse grep
00:05:41preglowwe should make #rockbox-logo-questions
00:05:56hshahwhat do you mean LinusN?
00:06:11amiconnWett: Just give it CPU_FREQ / 67 (or whatever timing you want)
00:06:21LinusNgrep is a tool to find a text string inside files
00:06:25amiconnCPU_FREQ is a constant, it's the base CPU frequency
00:06:41Wettconstant ? and what about frequency changes ?
00:06:51hshahi used the windows search thing, but i still can't find which file its in, coz i dunno what im looking for
00:06:54XavierGr_hshah try a text search fo r string that might relates to the usb icon
00:07:04amiconnThese are handled in timer.c
00:07:15hshahlogo.c has the logo for the main screen...
00:07:24amiconnThis handling is the reason why all higher frequencies are an integer multiple of the base
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00:07:48LinusNhshah: find .. -name "*.c" -exec grep -H usb_logo {} \;
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00:07:53hshahi think it may be using the same code for the remote... but im not sure because i thought that TiMiD had implimented separate logos for both
00:08:02Wettoh ok
00:08:06Wettthanks a lot amiconn :) gotta reboot
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00:08:38LinusNhshah: that gives apps/gui/logo.c
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00:08:57hshahwell i know there where the usb logo for the main screen is...
00:09:02hshahwheres the one for the remote screen?
00:09:08hshahor is it the same one?
00:09:14LinusNhshah: that gives apps/gui/logo.c
00:09:25LinusNtry opening it and looking inside it
00:09:50hshahLinusN - i only have one set of hex values in there
00:09:59LinusNhave you updated your cvs?
00:10:00amiconnWow... I just compared compilation of the x11 sim under Linux and under cygwin
00:10:02hshahone for the main iriver unit...
00:10:03hshahyeah
00:10:14hshahi think ill delete the logo.c and try it again...
00:10:26amiconn...on the very same machine, with Linux having the additional handicap of running under VMware
00:10:46hshahLinusN - i update my cvs every time there is a change...
00:11:01amiconnH120 x11 sim compilation time: Linux: 110s cygwin: 390s
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00:11:25preglowamiconn: cygwin is incredibly slow, no surprises there
00:11:41amiconnI know... but a factor of >3 ...
00:11:51preglowi would have thought it was even slower than that
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00:11:58preglowand if you're running vmware, it probably is
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00:12:13amiconnWell, VMware 5 is pretty fast
00:12:15LinusNhshah: the same bitmap is used for both main and remote
00:12:23amiconnhi Wett
00:12:41hshahLinusN - "Adapted and commited Markus Kaufhold's remote hold icon on statusbar patch for iriver ; generic logo handler (now it's possible to have a different USB logo on main screen and on remote), made the quickscreen behave as it was before"
00:12:44LinusNhshah: see the usb_logos[] array
00:13:07amiconnWett: You can't use the video_frametime value from the RVF-header verbatim, you need an adjustment similar to the adjustment done for Ondio
00:13:27Wettback
00:13:51LinusNhshah: create a new image and fill in the usb_logos[] array
00:13:53amiconnCPU_FREQ for iriver is very close to that of the archos recorder, but not identical => video and audio would slightly drift apart over time
00:14:02Wettyes I have to deduce the base fps and to calc the new value
00:14:15amiconniriver: 11289600; recorder: 11059200
00:14:45Wettok. It has a sync() function, but I should not use it too much times
00:14:47amiconnI would just convert video_frametime based on the reduced ratio of the 2 frequencies
00:14:49Wettwow, i see
00:14:59Wettyep, sounds good
00:15:03amiconn...like I did for the Ondio
00:15:13hshahLinusN - i can't really code in c, so you might have to explain this a little bit... there are two usb_logos[] arrays defined...
00:15:13Wettoh
00:15:21amiconnThis 625/576 ratio is reduced from 12000000/11059200
00:15:40LinusNhshah: the first one is for text displays
00:15:48amiconnSomewhere I already did these calculations...
00:16:02LinusNhshah: sorry, the second one
00:16:10hshahLinusN - ahh rite...
00:16:15hshahok - lemme try that now
00:16:20*amiconn is looking for a note
00:16:27peturwhy does cvs say "move away xxx it is in the way" with a C in front of the file? I haven't changed anything locally :\
00:16:36Wettit seems I have to take back my old calculator
00:16:41LinusNchange the one inside the #if NB_SCREENS==2
00:17:05amiconnWett: Rather small numbers when reduced: 11289600/11059200 == 49/48
00:17:19LinusNpetur: you have a local file which wasn't in cvs when you checked out the first time
00:17:22Wettwoohoo, fast
00:17:30amiconnYes, found my note...
00:17:48LinusNnow it's in cvs and you need to remove the local file
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00:18:38peturbut it is complaining about sourcefiles I haven't added... better remove everything and retry?
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00:20:14LinusNpetur: not you, someone else
00:20:30peturok
00:20:30LinusNpetur: which file is it
00:20:32LinusN?
00:20:46peturmost of them :(
00:20:52LinusNwow
00:21:00LinusNdid you unpack a tar file?
00:21:25peturI prbably did something wrong yes... but I have to go now, will retry in the weekend...
00:21:30LinusNok
00:22:20peturbtw, will dive into the code next week, have a H340 and want to help.... just not used to CVS and cygwin...
00:22:35peturspoiled by IDE development as they say ;)
00:22:45LinusNwimp :-)
00:23:00peturlater..
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00:23:26Bagder"weakened" is the word ;-)
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00:27:39Bagderwe should change the prototype for gui_syncsplash() to an unsigned char * in the 3rd arg
00:29:50preglowBagder: still working on gcc4ification? :)
00:29:56Bagderyes
00:30:17hshahLinusN - im still a bit confused... if this is my remote bmp hex http://www.warwickforums.co.uk/remote.txt what do i exactly put in between the code I have just PMed you?
00:30:19BagderI find myself adding casts to too many gui_syncsplash() calls
00:31:32LinusNhshah: add that below the usb_logo_main
00:31:51BagderI'll just proceed and do it I guess
00:31:55LinusNrename the #defines and the name accordingly
00:32:43LinusNusb_logo_remote is my suggestion
00:36:19Bagderaaah
00:36:28*Bagder just realized a painful flaw
00:36:37Wetthm. How can I detect the end of a file ? I just... Crashes
00:36:51Bagderthe approach: gui_syncsplash(HZ, true, str(LANG_BLABLABLA)) is used all over
00:37:05Bagderand if a translation adds %s in the string...
00:38:06LinusNwhy would only one translation do that?
00:38:22Bagdermistake, on purpose or a weird language
00:38:46LinusNoh no, a vulnerability...
00:38:57LinusN.-)
00:38:58preglowBagder: have binlang check for it
00:39:09LinusN%s is allowed
00:39:22preglowright, it is
00:39:32LinusNif the english string has it
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00:41:09amiconnwow
00:41:15*amiconn is surprised
00:41:56amiconnJust installed mingw and wine on my debian VM, and it simply works :)
00:42:12Bagderhehe
00:42:29LinusNlovely isn't it?
00:42:34Bagderyou gonna run cygwin in that wine in vmware? ;-)
00:42:41amiconnI could try...
00:43:13LinusN?too many recursions error
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00:44:07amiconnI guess this is the same mingw cross compiler as used on the build server?
00:44:15LinusNyes
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00:46:55hshahthanks LinusN - works a treat :)
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00:47:37LinusNhshah: goodie
00:47:41amiconnLinusN: The only thing not working right in the win32 sim under wine is the timer stuff
00:47:57LinusNok
00:48:00amiconnThe 4s backlight timeout needs almost 40 real seconds
00:48:14Kyl3Any luck with music playback yest Linus?
00:48:28amiconnNot sure whether wine or vmware is to blame here
00:48:42LinusNKyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now
00:48:50Kyl3aha
00:48:57Kyl3k
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00:56:49preglowamiconn: you're running wine in vmware, that's really hardcore :)
00:59:07amiconnNah, only 2 levels
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00:59:17preglowok, run dosbox in wine again
00:59:19preglowand zsnes in that
00:59:30amiconnNo, WinUAE under wine :)
00:59:33preglowhaha
00:59:49amiconn...and then again PC-Task in WinUEA
01:00
01:00:41BenacoolI have a little question, can I ask it there ?
01:00:44preglowsure
01:00:47amiconnor even Shapeshifter with MacOS 7.x
01:00:47preglowjust ask
01:00:53LinusNamiconn: is there supposed to be a visual difference between backlight on and off in the sim?
01:01:00amiconnNot yet
01:01:04LinusNah
01:01:09amiconnIt just prints messages to the console
01:01:18amiconn...but it's planned
01:01:33amiconn(win32 first, since it's way easier)
01:01:33BenacoolWhen you copy the daily builds in my player is there a thing to do to backup the config ?
01:01:41BenacoolWhen I*
01:01:50Bagderits not easier in win32
01:01:53amiconnit is
01:02:14Bagderhow?
01:02:16amiconnWe have 2 separate backlights, but the x11 window shares colours between the 2 displays
01:02:30amiconnThe win32 sim uses one display bitmap per simulated display
01:02:35amiconnEach has its own palette
01:02:55LinusNamiconn: i tried running the win32 sim in wine here, and the backlight went off after 17s
01:03:06Bagderwell, 1 - you can make the x11 do that or 2 - make the x11 one use different palettes on the different areas
01:03:08amiconnIf someone would adjust the x11 sim to use 2 separate window...
01:03:13LinusNand none of the numpad keys works :-(
01:03:31markunBenacool: yes, go to the menu and then "manage settings" I think
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01:03:51amiconnLinusN: Numpad works here
01:04:04***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:04:48Benacoolok thanks markun ^^
01:04:52lamedhey all. congrats for h300 audio, linusn. (starting to feel a tiny-little bit of sorry to only have an h120).
01:04:53amiconnBagder: Probably we need the split anyway, for using highcolour in one window and palette based drawing in the other
01:05:09LinusNamiconn: i can't press a-b
01:05:14Bagdermost likely, yes
01:05:14lamedslasher / i? here?
01:05:29Bagderor have both use highcolour
01:05:31XavierGr_lamed: you wanted me something yesterday?
01:05:54amiconnLinusN: Ooopsors, it seems the numpad mapping for that doesn't work
01:06:02amiconnYou can use 'Ins' instead
01:06:13Benacoolby the way what is the command (if they are one lol) to do the "markun: message" for exemple ? I don't use IRC very often lol
01:06:14LinusNah
01:06:31amiconnBagder: If both are highcolour, backlight simulation will be heavy...
01:06:49markunBenacool: just type it :)
01:06:57XavierGr_later all.
01:07:00BagderI wouldn't care if the simulation is "heavy" really
01:07:03lamedxaviergr: wait.
01:07:05markunMaybe you have auto completion with tab
01:07:08Benacoolmarkun: ohh
01:07:08amiconnBagder: My idea for backlight simulation is as follows:
01:07:30amiconnThe b&w displays are readable without backlight, so backlight on/off will just change the palette
01:07:56Benacoolmarkun: ok thanks ;-)
01:08:00amiconnThe colour displays are pitch black without backlight, so the bitmap will shown/hidden accordingly
01:08:18Bagderamiconn: sounds fine to me
01:08:29LinusNamiconn: i used Ins to bring up the main menu, then i entered the general settings menu, and after that no buttons work anymore
01:09:04amiconnStrange...
01:09:08amiconnWorks fine here
01:09:17amiconn(both cursor keys and numpad)
01:09:18lamedxaviergr: i've patched the usb cable without even cutting the power lines, just stripping them down and soldering a piece of line. now i get no sync at all (?!) but the player shows bootloader usb mode/charges with the cable. (no sync even when not charging). I guess you've got no idea so i just wanted to mention that.
01:09:46LinusNamiconn: try using "5" to enter the menu
01:10:21lamedxaviergr: got it?
01:11:18amiconnLinusN: Ooops...
01:11:25LinusN:-)
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01:11:39amiconnSpace bar doubles as Numpad 5 and doesn't show this effect
01:11:48LinusNweird
01:12:05amiconnI don't use the numpad mappings often, because they're cumbersome on a laptop
01:12:18*amiconn checks under native windows
01:13:00*lamed wonders if he nags too much about his unchecked screen scroll patch.
01:13:04amiconnHmm, this works
01:13:29amiconnNumpad decimal separator also works as A-B there
01:13:38amiconnSo it's a wine problem...
01:13:46amiconnI wonder how wine does keymapping
01:16:09lamedlinusn...? busy with h300 ?
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01:18:23markunlamed: he isn't
01:18:38lamed?
01:20:10preglowfancy, the bootloader has locked up on 'result: 0'
01:20:12markun00:48 < LinusN> Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now
01:20:52markunpreglow: what is 0 supposed to be?
01:20:55preglowok, this looks promising
01:20:59preglowdoesn't 0 mean 'success'?
01:21:11lamedwhat's all the wired stuff on the WWW cvs package... everything is old archos material.
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01:23:10preglowarghh, this is almost certainly something ipod port related
01:23:15preglowi should get a second tree for that
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01:26:08preglowyes it is...
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01:35:05preglowamiconn: commenting out the sleep loop in thread.c actually hung rockbox here
01:37:04preglowbtw, what does the rockbox.iriver change detection base itself on? date?
01:37:20preglowsize?
01:38:48preglowyes, size
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01:40:41Wettdo you know if [IDC]Dragon still comes here sometimes ?
01:41:19amiconnpreglow: size and startcluster
01:42:18amiconnWett: Yes, but not often
01:42:27preglowamiconn: btw, do you know why rockbox would hang when the sleep loop is commented out?
01:43:49Wettdoes he have an email address ? A few month ago he said me he could modify his directshow filter to handle new size videos...
01:44:08amiconnpreglow: I have no idea. Iiuc it shouldn't
01:44:58amiconnWett: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/JoergHohensohn
01:45:26preglowamiconn: it does
01:45:33preglowamiconn: on h1x0, that is, not on ipod
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01:47:26amiconnBagder: casting hell :/
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01:53:49Wettok, time to sleep. gn all
01:54:07Wettand thanks btw :)
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01:59:11preglowwin32 sim sound isn't the greatest success i've ever seen
02:00
02:00:31preglowit even flashes 'codec failure'
02:03:10lamedi've just updated the darn screen scroll patch. I most tell you guys, it's really unpleasant to go through all that effort and have everyone ignoring you.
02:03:21lamedhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120
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02:06:25pinkutankhello
02:06:35pinkutankhow are you people doing
02:06:58preglowlamed: you can't count on everyone cheering on you all the time. ultimately, you have to do this for yourself. if someone's interested in it, then you will get attention
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02:14:31preglowthe windows sim seems really flakey
02:17:21pinkutankwhatr did you do again lamed?
02:17:32pinkutankwent about your patch?
02:17:42pinkutankbtw, hoes audio on h300 coming along?
02:18:08lamedpreglow: you don't understand. i simply want it to be reviewed and talked. I think it's a great idea so i've made it. but it's totally pointless to keep updating if no dev acctually tries it!
02:18:45LinusNlamed: i am busy with work, and with the h300 port
02:18:46lamedhey pinkutank. i was just mentioning my patch again. :/
02:18:59preglowlamed: you aren't exactly alone in this
02:19:16preglowa lot of patches never makes it into cvs
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02:20:00preglowand in a related note
02:20:07preglowthe patch tracker needs to be cleaned up
02:20:13LinusNabsolutely
02:20:52preglowany general guidelines of what should go? can i just delete patches that are several years old?
02:20:55preglowi sincerely doubt they'll apply
02:21:05lamedlinusn: I was sure of that, and told you before, way the go for your work. preglow: I know. anyhow it's a good idea and i'm just not sure if it's made up the best way. i know for sure it's very usefull for me. (just like pageup/down, that some users use and some never come across it)
02:21:58lamedpreglow: i'm going through the tracker every now and then. most stuff are just plain OLD, or already in the source... so it's not such a major deal.
02:22:12preglowlamed: i'm not really into this part of rockbox, but to me it just seems like an awful lot of code for a small feature
02:23:02preglowi can see the need for this feature, i've just never bumped into it myself
02:23:42preglowdamn, i'd completely forgotten about my patch
02:24:00preglowperhaps it's time to blow the dust off it again
02:25:05preglowlamed: and i'd really, really like it if this didn't introduce any new settings
02:25:12XavierGr_well I made a battery benchmark plugin, works like a charm but I didn't got a single review or comment for it. I guess I will have to live with it. It is just that sometimes I feel that all my (little) work is in vain, if noone actually is going to use them. I guess I will have to live with it.
02:25:16preglowwe can't keep adding settings for every new feature
02:25:20preglowit's already grown too big
02:25:28lamedbut the new wps functions caused a big upload hit... preglow: for now it's the _only_ part i'm into rockbox... and i know it seems like lots of code, but i had to make a new driver function ( _offset functions) so it had to be added to the screen_access list as well... other then that it's just the new options in scroll menu and some little code in list.c that calculates where to put the line.
02:25:38lamedpreglow: why?
02:25:47XavierGr_lamed: sorry but I guess that you've run out of options about the USB/sync cable.
02:25:50preglowlamed: like i said, we've already got a zillion options, and it's starting to become too muc
02:25:53preglowh
02:26:18preglowlamed: why does this need an enable option, btw? i thought it had a special key bound to it anyway
02:26:27lamedpreglow: it's in the scroll menu. there are only about 4 items there. it's pretty convinient place to set those options.
02:27:05preglowoh well
02:27:10preglowi might try it out tomorrow
02:27:17lamedpreglow: you can set it to scroll the lines out of view (-helps to keep things in the same order) and the other option is to set screen scroll step size.
02:27:19preglowright now i need to finish this codec stuff before i go to bed
02:27:25LinusNi think it's a neat patch
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02:27:49preglowlamed: annoy me tomorrow and i'll see what i can do
02:27:58lamedI'll be so glad :)
02:28:14preglowLinusN: what do you think about the added settings?
02:28:14XavierGr_ha pestering did the work in the end :)
02:28:28preglowi guess it being in the scroll menu is a valid point
02:28:36lamedlinus told me i've got to keep pestering...
02:28:42preglowof course you do
02:28:55LinusNi think the "scrolls out of view" setting seems unnecessary
02:29:03preglowme too
02:29:04lamednoo... let me explain
02:29:39lamedtake a long artist name folder, like : "elvis prestly - <song name> "
02:29:49pinkutankLinusN hows the port going
02:30:25LinusNpinkutank: i can play music, but the h300 can't run reliably at full cpu frequency
02:30:26lamedif you use "screen scroll out of view" set to yes, then if you'll scroll artist name out of view, you can see only " - <song name> " nicely arranged.
02:30:34lamedif you would set the option back to no,
02:31:35pinkutankLinusN: wish I could help somehow, but I don't know any programming.
02:31:56lamedthe longer lines would be displayd correctly like "-<song name>", but the shorter song names would be displayd "vis prestly - song" which would cause things to look in a bad mannar.
02:32:04pinkutanki decided to stay with my h120 for a while, I painted it, it will have a silicone case next week, maybe a better battery in a month
02:32:11pinkutankI dont like the screen of the 300
02:32:22pinkutankwish it was like the ipod nanos
02:32:27LinusNlamed: so why would you set it to "no"?
02:33:00pinkutankif you dont like your screen going away
02:33:08lamedbecause if you use it on scatterd files, with sometimes long sometimes short names, you wouldn't want to see blank lines!
02:33:19LinusNpinkutank: i don't like the h300 either
02:33:45pinkutankI hope someone comes up with a decent player soon
02:34:02lamed(and for now, the lines won't scroll into view if they are scrolled off the view. that's because of a problem with the scroll_thread)
02:34:28pinkutankhows x5? , similar screen to h300?_
02:34:33DreamTactix291i like the H100 more than teh H300
02:34:39DreamTactix291X5 has inferior screen to the H300
02:34:39LinusNpinkutank: i don't know
02:34:42DreamTactix291but better overall design
02:35:14pinkutankoh lol than no x5 for me either
02:35:23DreamTactix291i like my H140
02:35:24lamedif you'll use it both on album folders and on scatterd files you'll see the diffrance. linus - was i clear enough?
02:35:26pinkutankwish ipod video had fm and decent recording
02:35:29DreamTactix291colour LCDs are overrated for audio players
02:35:36LinusNDreamTactix291: inferior? how?
02:35:45DreamTactix291LinusN: lower resolution
02:35:47pinkutankits pixelated
02:35:49DreamTactix291same as the H100 AFAIK
02:35:54DreamTactix291160x128
02:35:56LinusNlamed: not entirely clear, i guess i'll have to try it
02:36:05DreamTactix291H300 is 220x176
02:36:24pinkutanksee the ipod 5th gen, it has a really nice screen
02:36:29*LinusN has ordered an x5
02:36:35pinkutankif you seen a nano, think that, much bigger
02:36:40pinkutankoh gosh
02:36:50DreamTactix291i'm not big on the the ipods
02:36:51pinkutanklinus you gonna port?
02:36:55DreamTactix291nice screen or not
02:36:59LinusNpinkutank: hopefully
02:37:03pinkutankwhy dream?
02:37:18DreamTactix291cheap looking design and touch navigation
02:37:30DreamTactix291personal opinion though
02:37:34pinkutankI think the blacks dont look cheap
02:37:50DreamTactix291they still scratch easily
02:37:52pinkutankbut the last4th gens I looked at had dflimsy looking wheels
02:38:01lamedWell i'll just go back on hassling everyone about it the next time i'll manage to get some intenet access... probably tommrow.
02:38:06pinkutankyes they scrath
02:38:20DreamTactix291my H140 is still in pristine shape
02:38:22lamedpinkutank: i want to see your design.
02:38:28pinkutankwps?
02:38:57pinkutankhttp://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0001.bmp
02:39:00pinkutankhttp://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0002.bmp
02:39:03pinkutanknot finished yet
02:39:12pinkutanki'll change the rating handler
02:39:27pinkutankimplement play/pause etc thing
02:39:29pinkutankand codec
02:39:36pinkutankprobably otmorrow or saturday
02:39:43LinusNpinkutank: looks good
02:39:53DreamTactix291i like
02:39:54pinkutankthat genre line cycles
02:40:07pinkutankgenre/year/ hz bitrate
02:40:16lamedpinkutank: looks like someting i might use... but i was talking about the player.
02:40:29DreamTactix291i keep my WPS super basic
02:40:50lamedpinkutank: it seems like it's a very small font isn't it?
02:41:04preglowLinusN: what? your next project?
02:41:11pinkutankand that 3 triangels is actually saying no shuffle no repeat, but I'll change it a bit, seems bit bulky like this
02:41:19pinkutankits an 8 pixel font
02:41:33lamedpreglow: are you going through the tracker now?
02:41:33pinkutankI'll modify it for bigger ones if you like it big
02:41:43preglowLinusN: i was wondering what you were going to turn to next ;)
02:41:45LinusNlamed: another idea for the file browser: strip the first part of the file if it's the same for all files
02:41:50preglowlamed: not really, how?
02:41:53pinkutankwhat do oyu mean my design the player? the painted h120 you want?
02:41:58lamedpink: i just think that the middle line would be too small for a bigger font.
02:42:45pinkutankthan I'll change it for the bigger version, its no problem releasing 2
02:43:15pinkutankis there a way to create aniamted bmps?
02:43:23LinusNpreglow: yeah, x5 seems like a nice player
02:43:23pinkutankI tried them with alternating lines but didnt work
02:43:34DreamTactix291i like the X5 almost as much as the H100s
02:43:38preglowLinusN: i actually agree. have you gotten the bdm back from ac yet?
02:43:38DreamTactix291only thing i'd miss is optical
02:43:51LinusNwe won't get it
02:43:57preglowexcellent
02:44:02lamedlinusn: yeah, i remember that idea too from somewhere in the wiki. i think it would be better if the screen_scroll pixel setting might be saved in the dir cache. that way you could save the offset position of every folder.
02:44:08LinusNhe'll return the money instead
02:44:17preglowahh
02:44:20preglowin which case all is well
02:44:28LinusNi guess
02:44:30preglowhe broke it or what? ;)
02:44:45LinusNi just can't see what he's going to to with the bdm
02:44:49lamedpinkutank: i'm sooo out of the wps area. isn't there are ways to make any font align itself by it's size?
02:45:01preglowgod known, intense sessions of fun, problably
02:45:06pinkutankalign to what
02:45:14LinusNpreglow: probably :-)
02:45:39lamedpreglow: i'm just binding both select and mode keys to toggle controls in star game plugin... didn't wanted that to be missed.
02:45:44pinkutankif there is a way to implement aniamted bmps in wps, I'd like to use it for charging, I've never seen a wps do it before
02:46:19preglowthink i'll delete the 'press and hold on button for hold' patch, old and not very useful
02:46:21pinkutankbtw, who was the sokoban noob here
02:46:22lamed(preglow: there's already a pretty good star game fix that makes it much bigger and more comfortable on the hX00)
02:47:28pinkutanksomeone kept saying cant go past lvl 3 on sokoban
02:49:08XavierGr_how much a bdm costs?
02:49:31LinusNroughly $150
02:49:44lamedpinkutank... lol..
02:50:09*lamed wonders if xaviergr player's bricked.
02:50:20XavierGr_that's not so much. If only I had the knowledge I would gladly give this much for it.
02:50:44Kyl3level 3 was hard
02:50:46lamedxaviergr: are you programming on the simulator or not at all..?
02:50:48XavierGr_no just wondering if I could ever help on porting something, (after a lot of studying first though)
02:51:02Kyl3my player has like 3 things wrong with it i have to RMA it
02:51:14pinkutanklol kyl3 was that you, the sokoban fool?
02:51:19XavierGr_what do you mean on the simulator? I program both for the simulator or the target.
02:51:22Kyl3no
02:51:26Kyl3but 3 was hard
02:51:27Kyl3lol
02:51:29pinkutankhaah
02:51:35pinkutanktry 10
02:51:48Kyl3i will when I get my h340 back
02:52:06pinkutankhmm
02:52:12XavierGr_Now that I mentioned it I have a very old NAPA 128 MB flash player.
02:52:12pinkutankwhats there to port
02:52:13XavierGr_It sucked big time
02:52:19pinkutankthere is h10
02:52:28XavierGr_but I guess it is perfect for a guinea pig!
02:52:46pinkutanklol youre going to port to a napa
02:52:54XavierGr_haha
02:52:54pinkutankI'm oging to sleep
02:52:57XavierGr_imagining it
02:53:03XavierGr_bye
02:53:21pinkutankI was planning sleeping at 1 am +- 3
02:53:29pinkutank6 minutes later, I'll miss it
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02:53:51XavierGr_preglow, as the DAC guy here what is best on recording from line-in: 1) Gain from rockbox or 2) gain from a pre-amp?
02:54:05lamedxaviergr: what do you mean "or the target", you compile a code, copy it and see if it works? -you can't get real gdb else, right? no serial port gdb mentioned on the wiki. max thing you can do it "catch mem", righet?
02:54:11preglowXavierGr_: i'd say preamp, if it's good quality
02:54:29preglowlamed: h1x0 has got a serial port
02:54:36preglowlamed: no one's bothered to write a gdb driver yet
02:54:36Kyl3Oh and a suggestion for Rockbox
02:54:50preglowlamed: plus, you'd need some small additional hardware
02:54:51XavierGr_it's an 100euros 6 channel mixer
02:55:02preglowXavierGr_: well, i'd say go for that anyway
02:55:07Kyl3will Rockbox get rid of the 9999 file/2000 folder/200Mb/2hr record celings?
02:55:16DreamTactix291yes
02:55:24preglowXavierGr_: i don't think the iriver preamp is anything you'll want furhter aquaintance with
02:55:41Kyl3thank god... i hit it everytime i record classes
02:55:43lamedpreglow: that's what i ment. so the only way i could get to be more serious about rb is with a gdb wiggler. no other ways?
02:55:44XavierGr_lamed I meant that I program on the sim if it is applicable else I test the code right on target. Did you meant if I code the player from a bdm? od course not.
02:56:15preglowlamed: more serious? you can code perfectly well with no hardware debugging aid
02:56:19Kyl3and with the hd spindown feature, there will be no more HD spinups every 2 mins
02:56:33XavierGr_yes
02:56:33preglowi have neither bdm nor serial port connection
02:56:58XavierGr_actually you can code very well even if you don't have a DAP :p
02:57:01lamedxaviergr: yeah that's what i've thought. how did you studied more about the hardware?
02:57:13preglowlamed: for the code you write, debugging in the sim will do very well
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02:57:32preglowit's worse for us poor sods that work on code that needs hardware specific features :/
02:57:37XavierGr_what hardware? I just told you that I don't use a bdm or anything hardware related.
02:58:11XavierGr_preglow I gusee then that you write low-level test programs to see how the hardware responds?
02:58:29lamedpreglow: that's how i made the screen scroll patch / fast inc/dec sound settings patch / star game fix patch. but i was wondering, how do all the (serious?) programmers know what to do? i mean... they wrote the sim.
02:58:31pinkutankI couldnt sleep
02:58:41pinkutankI just remembered something
02:58:48pinkutankyou guys have to port for the gmini 402
02:58:55pinkutankit has POTENTial
02:59:00preglowXavierGr_: wish i was that clever
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02:59:18XavierGr_pinkutank: Did you actually tried to sleep? :p you came back after 5 minutes, how on earth could you have slept on such short interval?
02:59:52preglowbut yeah, i have done test programs
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03:00:02lamedpreglow: so what kind of patches do you acctually do? (i've figured what xaviergr said about low level test progs)
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03:00:20preglowlamed: i do codec and dsp stuff, plus the ipod port
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03:00:31pinkutankI meant i couldnbt go to sleep when I thought of rockbox on gmini 402
03:00:49DreamTactix291that would be pretty cool
03:00:51preglowpinkutank: then i recommend you get one and start working, no one else seems to be planning it
03:00:52pinkutankIt even has video output to tvs playing divx
03:00:54XavierGrhehe
03:01:06DreamTactix291my PMP-120 does that too but it's ridiculously picky about files
03:01:10DreamTactix291:(
03:01:48lamedpreglow: ahhh.. you could do that on your comupter..? don't you need to know the hardware for that? all written in C on the sim and just works on the player?
03:01:54pinkutankif< pinkutank< programming:1 buy gmini 402 and try>
03:01:58XavierGrpreglow: excuse me, you said that every pre-amp must be better that iriver pre-amplification?
03:02:17preglowlamed: that's what i said, i need to use the hardware, it's a lot of assembler from time to time
03:02:36pinkutankit decodes divx realtime : good cpu
03:02:39pinkutank2.2" screen
03:02:44pinkutanksmall as an Ipod
03:02:47XavierGrpulling up and lowering signals man must be a real pain.
03:02:52preglowXavierGr: not _every_, but most, i guess
03:03:04pinkutankcan be had for 200$
03:03:12DreamTactix291by divx i'm assuming you mean MPEG-4 ASP
03:03:25pinkutankno
03:03:28preglowis there any other kind of divx?
03:03:42DreamTactix291divx 4.0 and after as MPEG-4 ASP encoders
03:03:44pinkutankermm
03:03:47pinkutankmpeg 4 sp
03:03:47DreamTactix291as is 3ivx, XviD, etc
03:03:50pinkutanknot asp
03:03:50XavierGrI just blowed my ears trying to set a good settings with the preamp, now they ring like hell. I should have lower all signals before putting the earphones in my ears! :x
03:03:51pinkutank:D
03:03:59DreamTactix291SP isn't common at all
03:04:05pinkutank?
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03:04:13pinkutankXvid and Divx is sp
03:04:13preglowXavierGr: consider it a lesson learnt
03:04:17DreamTactix291no
03:04:20DreamTactix291they are ASP :)
03:04:27pinkutankoh
03:04:30DreamTactix291advanced simple profile
03:04:32pinkutankthen I'm stupid
03:04:36DreamTactix291nah
03:04:38pinkutankok its asp
03:04:40XavierGrpreglow any exprerience with preamps before?
03:04:43DreamTactix291i just know audio and video codecs :P
03:04:45preglowXavierGr: very little
03:04:50DreamTactix291but not enough to program :(
03:04:55pinkutankit even has a game gear emulator
03:04:58pinkutank:)
03:05:13DreamTactix291would be useful if i played video games
03:05:22DreamTactix291but i gave them up years ago lol
03:05:32pinkutankshould i say even good without rockbox? hmm no that would be blaspheomus
03:05:32XavierGrIt seems that I cant really get better quality compared to the iriver itself. I must try harder.
03:05:48lamedpreglow. a question. the original iriver fw could inc/decrease audio speed. that means somewhere in the hardware it's possible. do you know your way, say to this place, to make it work? (just trying to understand the relation between your work and why _do_ you need a remote gdb at all)
03:06:12preglowlamed: i could have playback speed adjustment working in half an hour, but the internals of rockbox makes it a bit difficult
03:06:33preglowwithout doing a Nasty Hack, that is
03:06:33XavierGrpreglow: also I was wrong about the mic setting in the iriver fw. Rockbox is way better on this too. I just didn't know that there are 2 "Gain" options in rb.
03:07:14preglowlamed: i _don't_ need a remote gdb
03:07:30preglowi'd like one, but i don't need one
03:07:59XavierGrnow that I mention it: why are there 2 gain options in recording? ADC l/r and the one in recording screen?
03:07:59preglowright now i'd sure as hell love one, i love these elusive crashes
03:08:02lamedwow. could you guid me to where and what should i read about that kind of work? (will i get a plain "go through the source" respod)
03:08:19preglowlamed: you mean about codec and audio coding?
03:10:07lamedhmm, seems rather huge subject isn't it? right now i've wanted to be able to make a "line in open" option, so i could wier a discman through my player and to an amp, not to loose voltage when Y splitting an entrence.
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03:10:41preglowlamed: you need a good background in maths, for one
03:11:07preglowi just picked up digital signal processing by myself over a number of years after becoming interested in synthesizers
03:11:53preglowlamed: you mean a passthrough option? that's not hard
03:12:06preglowi believe rockbox already does that
03:12:35preglowin recording mode, that is
03:13:22lamedyes, but i mean when you want to mix something with your player audio.
03:13:48preglowmix the cd audio with sound from the h1x0?
03:15:12lamedright. if i'll Y split an auxilury jack, i'll get about 75 perecent of the volume. - from what i know, this is because of voltage drawn from every source.
03:15:31preglowdepends on the equipment
03:15:51lamedh120
03:16:10pinkutankbtw , gmini 400 are already broken in http://gmini400.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=69&board=7.0
03:18:58preglowone happy day in the future, i'll make my Super Duper iRiver Digital Effects Box Project
03:19:27preglowwonder how i'll integrate that into the rest of rockbox, heh
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03:24:30lamedpreglow: if only i had the knowladge... i was thinking of something that could seriously mix tracks (proffesionally?) but for that i have to get two sources out of the box: one for the phones and the other for an amp... there's no way to do that on the phones/lineout jack right? the only diffrance between them is the preamp?
03:25:52preglowthe only difference is that the headphones has a headphone amplifier
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03:26:10preglowthe line out only has a simple buffer
03:26:26preglowlamed: knowledge can be acquired, just start reading and coding
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03:29:21lamedof course it can be... but i'm only coding in c for the last couple of month, after not programming for several years. I'll be glad to know how to make a line in/out kind of patch though. don't forget tommorw i'll pest you again about my screen scroll patch :)
03:29:36preglowsure
03:29:45preglowbut that'll be tomorrow, now: sleep
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03:29:56lamedbtw. pgup/down isn't functioning like it should. are you aware of that?
03:32:08lamedpreglow. last question. say i spot something like all the small problems with how filelist and playlist are now scrolling since list.c widget. should i make a patch that resolves the problem?
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04:03:52Paul_The_NerdJust a very minor thing, the Bejeweled pluging runs a significant amount slower now, it seems. I'm not sure when this change occured. Hardly anything important, but just a note.
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04:27:21fingersoupAnyone know of issues with Rockbox and file transfer on Linux using IRiver?
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04:38:15DMJCjust mount /dev/sd* mountpoint
04:38:26DMJCusually sda1
04:38:30DMJCor sda
04:39:39ashridahwell, he's not here, but since they sitll haven't worked around the need to reset the device whenever it returns a broken usb packet
04:39:40ashridah...
04:39:48ashridahit's just not rockbox specific
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04:48:56DMJCLooking back, no one ever saw the amount of memory on a graphics card equaling or surpassing the total amount of system memory, certainly not hitting 1 GB when in SLI configuration!
04:49:05DMJCone problem with this statement: I did
04:49:15DMJCin fact i've been waiting for it
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04:49:36Paul_The_NerdI had a 32mb video card in a 32mb system once
04:50:00Paul_The_NerdI think many people saw it coming.
04:50:01DMJCI've been wanting a 1gb gfx card for a while now
04:50:18DMJCI want to see entire planets rendered in realtime
04:50:21DMJCin a game
04:50:31Paul_The_Nerd'eh
04:50:31DMJCand that takes 1gb of gfx ram to do properly
04:50:39Paul_The_NerdThat doesn't take 1gb of GFX memory
04:50:44Paul_The_NerdYou can stream the textures from the HD
04:50:52Paul_The_NerdAnd that's what a good deal of it is used for.
04:51:56DMJCyou trying to render a planet or a solar system
04:52:05Paul_The_NerdYou said planet.
04:52:08DMJCand how much detail etc are you going for?
04:52:10DMJCk
04:52:13DMJCheh
04:52:18Paul_The_NerdBesides, are you talking about seeing it all at once?
04:52:19DMJC(planet/solar system in my case)
04:52:41Paul_The_NerdAnd are you talking about the planet having proportional scale, or what?
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04:52:52DMJCplanets having real scale
04:52:53Paul_The_NerdI mean, at the scale that a planet appears round, you can make up the surface detail with good application of bump mapping
04:52:56Paul_The_NerdOr better yet, pixel shaders.
04:53:17DMJCtalking about being able to go from space
04:53:26DMJCto 1 metre above the surface
04:53:31DMJCand running around
04:53:42Paul_The_NerdYes, but as you zoom the rendering field is clipped, and detail can then be loaded from disk realtime as you zoom in.
04:53:44DMJCwith trees
04:53:49DMJCand objects etc
04:54:10DMJCoh and the game has to track the entire solar system in realtime
04:54:13Paul_The_NerdWith a good HD access speed, and a decent processor, you could *easily* pull that off respectably on a 256 MB Geforce 5 series
04:54:18Paul_The_NerdOr ATI 9XXX series
04:54:25DMJCcool
04:54:26Paul_The_NerdTracking it is easy
04:54:35Paul_The_NerdSince you don't *see* the solar system, all you're tracking is points.
04:54:45Paul_The_NerdYou don't have to calculate all the triangles offscreen, there's absolutely no benefit in that
04:54:52DMJCobviously
04:54:58DMJCisn't that what backface culling does?
04:55:09DMJCcuts out what's not going to be visible
04:55:18Paul_The_NerdPretty much.
04:55:53Paul_The_NerdBut really, they don't optimize as much as they used to these days.
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04:56:22DMJCever played vegastrike
04:56:25Paul_The_NerdIndeed
04:56:28DMJCor the privateer remake?
04:56:29DMJCyeah
04:56:34Paul_The_NerdWell, I can't say "played" vegas strike
04:56:38Paul_The_NerdI didn't enjoy the controls
04:56:38DMJCI know the head dev, that's bascially what we want
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04:57:03DMJCI prefer the gemini gold remake myself
04:57:12Paul_The_NerdAh, so a realtime tracked solar system, in which the player is free to hop from planet to planet involving himself as he likes?
04:57:23DMJCyeah
04:57:36DMJCand then being able to jump into other solar systems...
04:57:54DMJCmost of the VS ideas are from Wing Commander
04:58:07DMJChence the name Vega Strike... WC1 was set in Vega sector
04:58:26Paul_The_NerdIndeed
04:58:30DMJCwas originally going to be a privateer mod till some OSS guys thought they'd get sued
04:58:41DMJChence the now 3? projects
04:58:54Paul_The_NerdYeah. EA has the rights to Privateer, no? Which makes it dangerous.
04:58:59DMJChttp://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20051114/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx_512-04.html - geez that card is huge
04:59:04DMJCyeah EA has the rights
04:59:16DMJCdoubt they'll do anything tho.. they know the project exists
04:59:21Paul_The_NerdYeah.
04:59:34Paul_The_NerdWell, they may be waiting to sue until there's money to get from it.
04:59:35DMJCwe've contacted people within Origin when it still existed
04:59:50Paul_The_NerdYeah, but Origin was a lot nicer.
04:59:57DMJCheh money from an OSS project... hehehe
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05:00:21Paul_The_NerdOr at least, until there's enough work done that they can sue for all the work, and then use it for their own purposes? Free programming
05:00:30Paul_The_NerdI already hear they pay their employees little enough
05:00:34DMJCthe code they couldn't get
05:00:35Paul_The_NerdI miss Origin.
05:00:36DMJCthe artwork sure
05:00:39DMJCyeah
05:00:41Paul_The_NerdRichard Garriot lives somewhere around here.
05:00:46DMJCOrigin did some sweet stuff
05:01:05Paul_The_NerdYeah
05:01:07DMJCSome of the original WC2/Priv artwork got leaked from them..
05:01:20Paul_The_NerdI actually liked WC: Armada quite a lot
05:01:21DMJCbout 20,000-40,000 polys per model
05:01:25Paul_The_NerdWow
05:01:30DMJCwe don't use the ships in the game out of respect
05:01:51DMJCmost of the detail is wasted on curves heh
05:01:56Paul_The_NerdOf course
05:02:02DMJCall the armada ships got leaked afaik
05:02:13Paul_The_NerdBack when you had to defined them point by point.
05:02:24hshahwow - your convo has literally filled my whole screen - time to spoil it :p
05:02:26DMJCI think they used autocad
05:02:36Paul_The_NerdHehehe
05:02:40Paul_The_Nerd'alo Hshah
05:02:47DMJChttp://www.wcnews.com/articles/art32.shtml
05:02:50hshahhello Paul_The_Nerd
05:02:55hshahand hello DMJC
05:03:02DMJChello hshah
05:03:18Paul_The_NerdI wish I could remember which ship I always mass produced...
05:03:47DMJCarrow? banshee? gladius?
05:03:54DMJChuman or kilrathi?
05:04:01Paul_The_NerdHuman
05:04:04Paul_The_NerdIt was the medium one
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05:04:09hshahbansee
05:04:12DMJCwraith?
05:04:12Paul_The_NerdAh
05:04:12hshah*banshee
05:04:16Paul_The_NerdI think Wraith
05:04:18Paul_The_NerdNot sure
05:04:19Paul_The_NerdIt's been forever
05:04:23hshahwraith - stargate atlantis
05:04:27Paul_The_NerdIt doesn't like my XP based systems, no matter what I've tried.
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05:07:19lamedI'm always panicing before iriver firmware upgrades.... arghhhhasdfgaerdf
05:07:37Paul_The_NerdWhy?
05:07:50lamed"DO NOT TOUCH DURING FIRMWARE UPGRADE" so scarry...
05:07:56lamedi've bricked two players that way...
05:08:05lamedand it takes time until shutting down...
05:08:08Paul_The_NerdWith iRiver official upgrades?!
05:08:11Paul_The_NerdWhat type of players?
05:08:30lamedthat's it. shut down. h120 with fwpatcher v6. should i press the on button? i'm so scared...
05:08:34lamedi'm pressing.
05:08:44lamedyey! works.
05:09:02lamedGeee.... hate that.
05:09:16Paul_The_NerdHehehe
05:09:44lamedwell, it looks the same ... nice to know i'm updated though.
05:10:28lamedall calm and relaxed now.
05:11:07Paul_The_NerdHehehe
05:13:16Benacoollamed: it's the same thing for me so your not alone lol
05:17:23lamedgood to know... but did it took you two month every time to get your player from repairs..?
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05:20:11BenacoolI never had to get it repaired lol
05:20:20Benacooldoh ...
05:20:37Benacooltoo late lol
05:22:27mofoGXi bricked an ipod shuffle once
05:23:32Paul_The_NerdHow?
05:25:09mofoGXnah i didn't
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05:26:14Paul_The_NerdI never really understood the appeal of the shuffle.
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05:26:33mofoGXi don't either, but i see so many people with on
05:26:35mofoGXone
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05:26:56Paul_The_NerdPeople are iPod crazy
05:27:01mofoGXane they believe that the shuffle is the ONLY mp3 player for $100
05:27:13mofoGXand the first of its kind
05:27:24Paul_The_NerdYeah
05:27:26Paul_The_NerdA lot of them do
05:27:35Paul_The_NerdI like the mobiblu cube, if I was looking for something small
05:27:45Paul_The_NerdNice looking screen, $130 for 1gb, and less than an inch to a side.
05:27:50Paul_The_NerdAnd rechargeable battery
05:27:58mofoGXme, i have a rio forge
05:28:07mofoGXwith a 2.0GB sd card
05:28:09Paul_The_NerdBut I don't have a flash player at the moment
05:28:23Paul_The_NerdI'm thinking of the Nano though. It kinda appeals to me, with the relatively nice screen, and the future Rockbox support
05:28:32mofoGXyeah
05:28:46mofoGXi would get an ipod if it had rockbox
05:29:06Paul_The_NerdI wouldn't get a normal iPod, but the Nano doesn't really have comparable flash players right now
05:29:15mofoGXmaybe the rb firmware would support decent uses of the dock connector
05:30:53Paul_The_NerdWho knows
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05:42:26Acochey guys, I was wondering what the component named "Archos 5V Card HD v1.1" did
05:43:26Acocevery time I take the whole thing apart, the dumb power wires keep falling off
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05:49:38AcocBy the way, has only used an adapter to turn the ide port into a compact flash drive port
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05:57:54AnInternetUserwhen is rock box out???
05:58:30CheeseBurgerMan Topic is 'Seriously, we DO NOT estimate release dates. You'll find out when it happens.'
05:59:35AnInternetUserso when is it estimated
05:59:45CheeseBurgerManDude, look at the topic
05:59:54CheeseBurgerManIt's ready when it's ready
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06:00:02AnInternetUsergod no1 can see e-sarcasm
06:00:18CheeseBurgerManIt doesn't convey very well... ;)
06:00:36Paul_The_NerdEspecially considering how many people *seriously* ask it
06:00:38Paul_The_NerdOften
06:00:55AnInternetUseroh the title kinda gives it away i would think
06:01:00AnInternetUsermaybe everyone just doesnt read
06:01:09CheeseBurgerManI read.
06:01:21CheeseBurgerManI saw someone come in and ask when it would be released.
06:01:40*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
06:01:56*CheeseBurgerMan does as well.
06:02:12AnInternetUseractually isnt already out for most players?
06:02:34CheeseBurgerManWhat do you mean by "most" players?
06:02:41CheeseBurgerManMost DAPs out there, no. ;)
06:03:03Paul_The_NerdIt's "out" for several Archos players
06:03:05AnInternetUserlike the ones it is supposed to work for
06:03:12AnInternetUserarchos and iriver h1xx
06:03:13Paul_The_NerdIt's... well on its way for the H100 series of iRivers
06:03:34AnInternetUseras i read it the games arent being developed right now
06:03:46Paul_The_NerdWell, it all depends on if someone wants to do it.
06:03:48AnInternetUserfor h300
06:04:12Paul_The_NerdThe "core" people are often "core" because they're working on the important matters of 'making things function' ;-)
06:04:15AnInternetUseri wish someone would make something work all the way
06:04:19ashridahAnInternetUser: the H300 isn't quite stable enough to work on, there's a couple of hardware issues to hunt down.
06:04:21AnInternetUserso i could have a reason to install it
06:04:33AnInternetUseryeah thats what i thought
06:04:49*ashridah notes the developer with the hardware to do the job has a dayjob as well
06:04:55Paul_The_NerdYes
06:04:57ashridahand a family
06:05:24AnInternetUserhe should hire some geniuses like bill gates
06:05:31AnInternetUserexcept he has no money
06:05:35ashridahand since rockbox's only recently been available for the H300, new developers will take a small amount of time to get used to the general architecture and functionality of rockbox before they can be effective
06:05:55ashridahhiring someone like bill gates wouldn't get him any closer.
06:06:03AnInternetUserthats not what i mean
06:06:05Paul_The_NerdI think he meant "Like bill gates, he should hire people"
06:06:07ashridaheven if bill gates WAS an embedded hardware developer
06:06:14ashridahaah
06:06:29Paul_The_NerdI think there's some pretty effective people working on Rockbox anyway
06:06:56AnInternetUserso once it gets off the ground the progress should actually be relatively fast
06:07:05ashridahAnInternetUser: if you believe throwing people at a problem solves a problem faster, i might suggest you read 'The Mythical Man Month' for a thorough debunking of the view :)
06:07:22AnInternetUseri am not some software developer :(
06:07:30AnInternetUserjust an internet user
06:07:33AnInternetUserthat has an h320
06:07:41ashridahyou don't really need to be. many of the lessons apply to non-software development tasks
06:08:58Paul_The_NerdHehehe
06:09:21ashridahbut yeah. throwing someone else in wouldn't get it done any faster, given the current progress.
06:09:54CheeseBurgerManYeah, it'd be too hard to get him to understand exactly what's going on.
06:10:06ashridahand there's plenty of intelligent people to do the other essential components, and when we get right down to it, a *lot* of the complicated work has already been done on the H1xx
06:10:16Paul_The_NerdIt's also the fact that right now, it's primarily a one man job until the bootloader is solid, and the hardware variation is known, right?
06:10:17ashridahCheeseBurgerMan: not hard, time consuming.
06:10:50CheeseBurgerManashridah: I stand corrected.
06:10:53Paul_The_NerdIsn't a lot of the work just adapting the display code after that?
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06:13:03ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: it doesn't seem to have been too hard to get black and white, and they've already displayed colour stuff. once you've got accurate information, it's a matter of crunching the details (and, of course, determining a useful way to store colour internally)
06:13:33Paul_The_NerdAre they gonna do user defined colors?
06:13:38Paul_The_NerdLike, for the text and backdrop?
06:14:07ashridahnot sure.
06:14:14ashridahi think things are slowly heading that way
06:14:19*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
06:14:22ashridahwith the theme stuff
06:14:26Paul_The_NerdYeah
06:14:51Paul_The_NerdI've got an H120, and as far as I'm concerned, once any sort of compression is in for recording, I'm not eager for anything else. Heh
06:14:58Paul_The_NerdThough Wav2wv gets the job done anyway
06:16:15Paul_The_NerdThough if that whole pixel positioned WPS and or multiple-font WPS comes into play, that would probably excite me greatly. But that's like "I wouldn't care if it never shows up, but it'd sure be neat" kinda thing.
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06:28:44MembrilloI know it would be a heck of a lot of work, but WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE to integrate USBOTG support for something such as this on the H3xx: http://www.meritline.com/apmp3playmem.html enabling the OTG reading of cds and possibly even ripping audio cds to MP3 OTF?
06:29:07Membrilloor other mobile USB cd readers
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06:29:34Membrillosomething like this may be more effective http://www.meritline.com/apmp3playmem.html
06:29:39Membrillooops
06:29:46Membrillohttp://www.addonics.com/products/external_cd/pocket_ii.asp i mean
06:31:17Paul_The_NerdI'm not an expert, but I strongly suspect that it'd be *possible.*
06:31:38Membrilloi reckon it would be awesome. OTF cd reading or ripping
06:31:53Paul_The_NerdI imagine it wouldn't be as awesome as you expected
06:32:15Membrillowhy do you imagine that
06:32:15Paul_The_NerdI suspect it'd end up fairly slow.
06:32:29Membrilloyeah, but you still wouldn't have to have a PC
06:32:45Paul_The_NerdI suppose
06:32:52Paul_The_NerdIt seems rather a special case, though
06:32:56Membrillofor example i have a lot of bus trips with friends who have discmans. I could borrow their cds and rip straight to my hdd
06:33:03Membrilloon the bus
06:33:29*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
06:33:57Membrilloi know USBOTG hasn't been tackled yet, but I think portable CD readers should be looked into
06:34:02Paul_The_NerdIs the drive battery powered?
06:34:08Paul_The_NerdIt looked like it required AC power.
06:34:15Membrilloummm
06:34:19Membrillobattery or USB i think
06:34:34Paul_The_NerdAh, but I don't think the H300 can deliver USB power
06:34:36ashridahMembrillo: a discman exports a data interface a pc can use?
06:34:43ashridah(usb data interface, i mean)
06:35:13ashridahaah, i see, you're planning on taking your own drive
06:35:18Membrilloyes
06:35:19Paul_The_Nerdahsridah he's linked a external CD drive that's USB interface, and "requires no drivers under etc etc"
06:35:41ashridahMembrillo: i'd suspect the cpu would be too taxed to be able to stop jitter from creepign in, tbh
06:35:52ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: i missed the link
06:35:55Paul_The_NerdGotcha
06:36:11Membrillohmmm, so you think the H3xx would struggle?
06:36:45ashridahMembrillo: i know transferring files over usbotg currently is slow as hell on iriver's firmware. i don't know how much of that's sheer cpu grunt limitation tho
06:36:54Membrillowell possibly the files could be transfered as lossless then compressed to MP3 (or other lossy codec) after. Of course that would take ages but would it work?
06:36:59ashridahit just depends if there's some way to avoid issues with jitter
06:37:11ashridahthat doesn't just involve keeping a perfectly regular read rate
06:37:27ashridahyou probably wouldn't be able to encode at the same time, i'd say.
06:38:01Membrillook, so what about transfering as lossless then encoding from the iRiver? apart from taking ages
06:38:25ashridahnot unfeasable.
06:39:03Membrilloso there could be possible workarounds if you were patient
06:39:34Paul_The_NerdOr just find the cheapest laptop you can, and use that instead. :-P
06:39:51Paul_The_NerdFrom time to time you'll find laptops cheaper than that external CD drive
06:39:58Paul_The_NerdAnd they're much more useful.
06:40:22Membrilloi guess
06:40:50Membrilloan external CD drive is a lot more conviniently sized than a laptop though
06:41:00Paul_The_NerdI suppose
06:41:01ashridahi'd just record directly from the discman, but i'm betting it doesn't have optical out, and the H3xx sadly does not have optical in, so you're going to get some amount of loss
06:41:11ashridahyou could, of course, just stop committing copyright violation :)
06:42:08ashridahMembrillo: does that cdrom drive support ASPI type raw access, or whatever one uses to rip these days?
06:42:59Membrilloummm
06:43:04Membrillolet me check if its on that page
06:43:11Paul_The_Nerd I was thinking about that.
06:43:37Paul_The_NerdI was gonna say something like "It may only be useable for data discs" but I didn't know if that would just sound silly, as I don't know much about audio CDs and how they're ripped / handled /etc
06:44:24Membrilloi did find it runs on 8 AA batteries...
06:45:07Membrilloah, it has firewire... if only iRiver had a firewire port
06:45:37Membrillocant see anything about access types
06:46:15Membrilloalthough it has a headphone jack, implying it can read audio cds
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06:50:54ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: well, some of them handle burning, so they must have some kind of raw interface
06:51:16Paul_The_NerdI dunno
06:51:31ashridahMembrillo: it's more the usb access than what the drive can do. reading audio cds vs reading data isn't too much different
06:51:42Paul_The_NerdIt's not necessary that they do.
06:52:00Membrillook sure
06:52:47Membrilloyou can get about.... 1-2mb\s out of USB2 can you not? what sort of speeds would you need to get encoding as you send across
06:54:19Membrilloor is it the stability of the USB connection
06:57:00ashridahMembrillo: if you've got enough cpu grunt AND enough bandwidth to the usb controller, which the H3xx may well not have
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08:04:34ashridahis the directory cache saved to disk?
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08:17:35Slasherashridah: not currently. But in future if user wants to flash rockbox, then that will be possible to do
08:17:50Paul_The_NerdWhere is it kept then?
08:18:01Slasherit's build on every boot on background
08:18:09Paul_The_NerdOh, right
08:18:18Paul_The_NerdJust the amount of space to reserve for it is stored, right?
08:18:19modafromansafe to put rockbox on intl yet?
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08:18:26SlasherPaul_The_Nerd: yes
08:18:42webguest01nyone know how the h3xx port is going?
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08:20:10Paul_The_NerdWell, the bootloader is still V1 so, I would hazard a guess to say 'No'
08:20:21modafromanahh
08:20:41Paul_The_NerdNot to say that "V2" will mean Yes.
08:20:53Paul_The_NerdJust that "V1" should always mean no, I'd say
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08:52:39Acksawwhile i was looking on the iRiver port i noticed "Panic Handler" what is this/
08:53:09ashridahusing it, or looking at the source?
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08:55:32Acksawon the wiki
08:56:03ashridahokay. got a link? generally, a panic is when the firmware detects something that just doesn't make sense.
08:56:49ashridahso it'll be tied to things like the illegal instruction interrupt handler, and a bunch of asserts will trigger it, ie, when some variable exceeds a predefined maximum
08:56:51Acksawhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort
08:56:54Acksawsoftware work
08:57:24Acksaw Panic handler Done Same, 90% Done
08:57:29ashridahyeah. i see.
08:58:01ashridahit's part of the infrastructure rockbox provides. mistakes happen, and having asserts and whatnot that detect unexpected stuff helps protect the player from damaging itself
08:58:08ashridah(by say, corrupting the stack)
08:58:10Acksawahh i see
08:58:21Acksawpretty nifty thing then
08:58:37Acksawany noticeable differences with todays h300 build?
08:58:40ashridahso my guess is 'same, 90%' is just basically meaning 'it shouldn't be different, but it needs testing plus perhaps some minor modifications'
08:58:50ashridahi don't know. i'd have to have one first ;)
08:58:57Acksaw=]
08:59:05Acksawthough you might have heard something
08:59:20ashridahi think Linus has been busy today
08:59:37modafromanare there any rockbox builds that play audio yet?
08:59:40ashridahAcksaw: but whatever i hear will be from this channel.
08:59:46Acksawalright
08:59:51Acksawim hear allday today anyways
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09:00:00Acksawim gonna have a play with todays build
09:00:14ashridahAcksaw: if you want to check what you missed, full logs are on www.rockbox.org/irc/ anyway
09:00:32Acksawtrue
09:00:34ashridahmodafroman: I don't believe linus has checked it in yet
09:00:48ashridahmodafroman: it needs debugging, and they generally try to avoid checking in half finished work
09:01:07Acksawno, personally
09:01:15Acksawi wouldnt expect audio for a few more days
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09:01:48modafromansoon as audio is half decent i will start using rb, iriver firmware keeps dieing, reckons battery is low :\
09:02:10ashridahmodafroman: if there's a hardware issue, rockbox isn't going to magically fix it
09:02:32modafromani know, but i want to use rb anyway :p
09:03:08Acksaw00.48.14 # <Kyl3> Any luck with music playback yest Linus?
09:03:08Acksaw00.48.28 # <amiconn> Not sure whether wine or vmware is to blame here
09:03:08Acksaw00.48.42 # <LinusN> Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now
09:03:17Acksawseems as though linus was pretty busy
09:03:42AcksawModaroman, maybe you battery is dying
09:03:51modafromanit seems it is
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09:04:44Acksawget a replacement one
09:04:56Acksawone of them ipod 1g/2g ones from ebay
09:05:02Acksawfor a couple of dollars/pounds
09:05:04t0masmorning :)
09:05:11AcksawMornin'
09:06:15Paul_The_NerdHow do you adapt the ipod ones for an iRiver
09:06:24Paul_The_NerdLike, is there an easy way to get the plug off to switch the pins?
09:07:30ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, it's called "scissors"
09:07:31ashridah:)
09:07:37Paul_The_NerdI considered that
09:07:43Paul_The_NerdBut I don't know where to get a replacement one.
09:07:46ashridahduct tape and soldering do well :)
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09:08:10Paul_The_NerdAh, so "forget using the proper plug, just use "permanent" methods to attach the new one?"
09:08:22ashridahnew plug?
09:08:34ashridahhm, are the plugs different as well as the wrong polarity?
09:08:37*ashridah hasn't looked
09:08:41Paul_The_NerdOh
09:08:49Paul_The_NerdYou're saying cut the wires halfway, and switch there?
09:09:05ashridahi wouldn't do it halfway, if you screw it, you want enough to try again with a new plug
09:09:39Paul_The_NerdIdeally I'd like to *just* try it with a new plug, but I don't know where to find one.
09:09:57*Paul_The_Nerd doesn't know exactly what to look for.
09:11:05ashridahany electronics hobby store should have what you need
09:11:27AcksawPaul
09:11:30Acksawcheck on MR
09:11:32ashridahif you don't know where your nearest one is, you can't really in all fairness call yourself a nerd now, can you :)
09:11:37Acksawtheres a few guides i believe
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09:11:53Paul_The_NerdHeh
09:11:59*B4gder giggles
09:12:07Paul_The_NerdI've been to a couple, and they've always said 'we don't have anything like that in that size'
09:12:31ashridahthen they aren't real hobby stores
09:12:59Paul_The_NerdYeah, I guess I need to look a little harder.
09:13:41ashridahit may depend entirely on what's available in your area. i used to do computer systems engineering tho, knew all the haunts in my city for decent electronics gear.
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09:14:00Paul_The_NerdI'm sure there's somewhere around here
09:14:19Paul_The_NerdI should probably just talk to some EE students at UT and see if any of them can recommend somewhere.
09:14:39Paul_The_NerdUT is the University around here, btw.
09:14:55Paul_The_NerdThough I guess that was kinda obvious from the "students at" bit.
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09:29:54Jungti1234H100 came to me. :)
09:30:12Jungti1234Its HDD didn't broke down.
09:30:47Jungti1234It's no problem! hahaha :D
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10:08:24Jungti1234It's normal.
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10:58:49markunlinuxstb, preglow: setting the endian bit for the ARM doesn't affect instruction fetches http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2001-November/006142.html
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11:00:37linuxstbmarkun: That explains why ARM is normally run in little-endian mode then.
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11:10:00preglowwell, i didn't really expect it to affect instruction fetches
11:10:40preglowbut granted, that makes it a bit clearer why it might be slower in big endian mode
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11:13:32tucozJungti1234, have you installed Rockbox on your h100 yet?
11:13:55Jungti1234yes
11:14:00tucoz:)
11:15:12tucozJungti1234, congratulations. Then you get to see what you can expect from the h300 when that port is a bit more mature.
11:15:18tucozafk
11:15:34Jungti1234hehe thanks
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11:15:54Acksawhey
11:15:54Jungti1234I go to eat.
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11:16:28webguest45will the H300 port be finished at the same times as teh H100 (by concentrating on getting the H300 port up to H100 stage) or will equal resources be placed in both? just wondered, thank :)
11:16:45webguest45thanks*
11:16:46Acksawread the tpic
11:16:51Acksawit will be done when its dones
11:18:42Acksawhmm
11:18:50Acksawi need an english bomberman rom
11:19:32webguest45well, if you'd actually answered my question i might have sent one via email.
11:19:39tucozwebguest38, as Rockbox is always in development, you can not expect it to be finished. What you can expect is a release some time in the future.
11:19:47webguest45not to mention being rude
11:20:17Acksawi wasnt being rube
11:20:18tucozA new development snapshot is available as soon as someone makes a commit to cvs
11:20:24Acksawi was answering your question
11:20:33webguest45i understand that, i was just simply commenting on how developing resources were split between the two efforts, not about a time frame
11:21:04webguest45and yes by "finished" I meant an official release of sorts ;)
11:21:50webguest45reason i asked was it just seems the H100 port has cooled off a bit, while the H300 is developing rapidly.
11:22:41ghode|afkThere will be no split i guess, developers will work one what they want to, no one target is given any priority
11:22:57linuxstbwebguest45: Rockbox doesn't have "developing resources". There are just people that work on what they want to work on, when they want to work on it.
11:23:05Acksawi think that there is a priority on getting the audio working on the h300
11:23:13ghode|afkno there isn't :)
11:23:15Acksawas that will be enough for most people
11:23:54webguest45ah i see
11:23:55ghode|afkit could be weeks or months before audio is working on the h300, just because linus has been busy this week, he does have a life :)
11:24:06webguest45of course
11:24:41Acksawjust saying..
11:24:44tucozwebguest45, the stuff that is being done to the h300 port, has already been done to the h100 (i.e. the hardware stuff). When that is done, I believe the h300 is up to par with the h100 fairly quickly.
11:25:03Acksawi think getting just the mp3's playing is the main thing linus is working on
11:25:27linuxstbBut there is also new hardware on the h300 that Rockbox doesn't take advantage of yet - the colour LCD and USBOTG.
11:25:35ghode|afkwell linus has music playing, but i guess he hasn't commited it yet because it still has some bugs
11:25:44Acksawyeh
11:25:49Acksawlike the buttons going wild
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11:26:42*Jungti1234 ߿ ƿ̽ϴ.(1Dinner)
11:26:49ghode|afkso basically it will be done, when its done
11:26:54Jungti1234Returned.
11:27:13webguest45are teh CPUs in the H100 and H300 the same? if so does that mean the H300 has some kind of colour video driver acclearator thingymabob that the H100 doesnt have? (excuse my ignorance) as if both players were equally capable then would it be possible to put a colour LCD in an H100 player?
11:27:32Jungti1234hey markun
11:27:35markunhi
11:27:46Jungti1234Give 'Gulim' to me.
11:27:55markunthe .fnt?
11:27:56Acksawmore than likely the h100 cannot handle a LCD screen
11:28:09tucozwebguest45, same cpu
11:28:13Jungti1234yes
11:28:17markunAcksaw: mine has a LCD :)
11:28:26tucozmine too :)
11:28:28Acksawpic?
11:28:32Acksawi meant the colour one
11:28:43markunI guessed that :)
11:28:48webguest45lol
11:29:15webguest45because that would be one hell of a mod
11:30:10tucozwebguest45, but probably not worth it. The h300 is what you would want if you were up for a mod like that.
11:30:27tucozAs that is basically a h100 with a colour lcd.
11:30:40linuxstbYes, it would probably be easier to add digital I/O to the h300 than change the LCD in a h100.
11:30:44webguest45I know that the LCDs are easy to replace, no soldering needed. I suppose it would depend on whether the H100s were limited by the LCD hardware alone or the lack of something on the mainboard
11:31:36markunJungti1234: I'm sending the file over IRC, can't you receive it?
11:31:45Jungti1234yes
11:32:00Jungti1234I was going to receive it, don't come.
11:32:21webguest45I want an H340 crammed into an H120 body with optical!
11:32:26webguest45:(
11:33:08tucozwebguest45, I am not sure if the x5 has optical i/o. If so, then that would probably be something like that
11:33:36markunJungti1234: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/gulim.fnt
11:33:48Jungti1234thanks markun
11:33:54markunbut it will be of no use to you without the unicode patch (which doesn't work for H3xx)
11:33:59Acksawwhats that font look likle?
11:34:07Jungti1234ok
11:34:13tucozmarkun, he has a h100 now
11:34:17markunah :)
11:34:27markunAcksaw: like this http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/gulim.jpg
11:34:31Jungti1234hehe
11:34:38Jungti1234I like it.
11:34:53markunDid Kong deliver it to your house?
11:34:57Jungti1234It's Hangul basis font.
11:35:22Jungti1234yes, but sent by home delivery.
11:35:30Acksawahh
11:35:35markunAnd what about the HDD? Wasn't it broken?
11:35:55Jungti1234It's normal!! ;D
11:35:55Acksawwoob
11:35:58webguest45the X5 is great as a player, and if / when the rockbox port is mature I would definatly get one to replace my H140
11:35:59Acksawbomberman rawks
11:36:18Acksawwebguest
11:36:26Acksawdo you have an english bomberman then?
11:36:45markunIt's snowing for the first time..
11:36:55Jungti1234oh
11:37:00webguest45sorry guys last question! if an H100 wont run on, just charge (ie, the mainboard is fried!) then what is the lielyhood of the HD being salvagable
11:37:09webguest45turn on*
11:37:21markunwebguest45: did you use the wrong charger?
11:37:32webguest45no im bidding for such a unit on ebay
11:37:33tucozwebguest45: if you are curious, you can check out the current status of the h300-port at this page. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort
11:37:49Jungti1234I'm fine snow, but cold thing hates. :)
11:38:25*preglow freezes
11:38:36tucozand you can see that there are still some gaps there.
11:38:45webguest45i just though there may some kind of protection circuit for the toshiba HDS?
11:39:03markunwebguest45: sorry, really don't know
11:43:11Jungti1234markun
11:43:18markunyes?
11:43:40Jungti1234Inform method to use unicode rockbox.
11:44:07markunJungti1234: I will give you my rockbox unicode build
11:44:28Jungti1234When ?
11:44:53markunhttp://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode.zip
11:45:05Jungti1234^^
11:45:10Acksawwhat does the skull do on bomberman?
11:45:17markunjapanese and korean language file are included
11:45:42Jungti1234Is it latest version?
11:46:06markunIt's 1 week old.
11:46:12Jungti1234hmm..?
11:46:18markunI can make the latest for you
11:46:44Jungti1234If isn't busy, do so.
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11:57:57Jungti1234Must I wait more?
11:58:07markunJungti1234: it will take a little longer. You can try the old one. It will work fine
11:58:22Jungti1234hehe
11:58:30Jungti1234I have much time.
11:58:42Jungti1234I don't go to the school tomorrow.
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12:00:48Acksawno school for me today =]
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12:00:58Acksawmornin' san
12:03:17Jungti1234Saturday tomorrow
12:03:31amiconnmarkun: Is there a reason why unicode doesn't work for H300 yet?
12:04:09amiconnI mean, the changes in the LCD driver aren't large, are they?
12:04:25markunamiconn: yes, because the text functions are copied to lcd-16bit.c
12:04:54markunNo, not very large, but it would be nicer if we could keep them in 1 file.
12:04:58markunlcd-text.c or something
12:05:20*Acksaw np: The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Spanish Castle Magic [03:02m/192Kbps/44KHz]
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12:05:44amiconnmarkun: lcd-bitmap.c
12:05:55markunyes
12:06:07amiconn...could contain all functions common to bitmap lcds
12:09:17markunamiconn: Maybe apps/player and apps/recorder could also be renamed to apps/charcell and apps/bitmap or something like that
12:09:33Jungti1234http://imgnews.naver.com/image/001/2005/11/25/kp1_2051125o1541.jpg
12:09:35amiconnI'd rather not do that
12:09:42markunwhy not?
12:09:52amiconnThe problem is that all the files would use their cvs history
12:10:12markunwould it be possible when/if we switch to svn?
12:10:20amiconnIf cvs would allow easy renaming, then of course
12:10:35amiconnI have no idea, never used svn yet
12:11:05amiconn... would *lose* their cvs history
12:11:32linuxstbmarkun: My understanding is that svn does a delete/create operation when renaming files, but it copies the old history to the new file. So yes, svn should make it easier to rename things.
12:14:07markunJungti1234: I updated unicode.zip. Tell me if you find any problems.
12:15:12markunlinuxstb: do you know if people would lose their local changes to the moved files?
12:16:20linuxstbI would hope not, but I've never used svn.
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12:35:27Jungti1234markunj
12:35:53Jungti1234Does it include gulim?
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12:39:35markunno, you have to copy it yourself
12:39:59Jungti1234ok
12:40:16markununifont also has hangul
12:43:47Jungti1234I can translate more naturally. :)
12:44:19markunnow it's easyer to translate
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12:44:44Jungti1234yes
12:45:01Jungti1234I begin work now.
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12:51:07tucozmarkun, does the unicode build fit the 200k limit on whatever that target was?
12:52:39markunI can't try it here because I couldn't get the SH1 crosscompiler to compile
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12:53:14tucozI see. But it's quite tight, right?
12:53:25markunyes, I think it doesn't fit
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12:54:08markunmaybe we can disable some of unicode code on that player anyway
12:57:25amiconnmarkun: I'd rather not do that. I should probably have a try at implementing that selfextractor
12:58:02*amiconn still hopes code sizes will go down again
12:58:22amiconn...with TiMiD adapting more and more stuff to multiscreen
12:58:42amiconnThere are some features which take more space than they should, imho
12:59:10tucozis 3.3.4 the recommended gcc for sh1?
12:59:12amiconnmarkun: Did you update the patch?
12:59:19amiconntucoz: 3.3.6
12:59:22tucozok
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13:07:12markunamiconn: not yet, I will do it now
13:09:21tucozamiconn: I do not have a newlib in my gcc-3.3.6 directory. Should it be there?
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13:13:06tucoznevermind, I give up trying to build sh1-elf :)
13:13:37amiconnNewlib is a separate source package
13:13:45tucozyes, I have found that
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13:14:04amiconnFor 3.3.6, the workaround *might* no longer be necessary
13:14:16tucozwell, I got build-errors (ubuntu)
13:14:16amiconnFor me it worked without newlib on cygwin
13:15:21DimiBoyhi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness?
13:16:41tucozDimiBoy, it is not really usable at the moment
13:16:41DimiBoyhi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness?
13:17:11LinusNDimiBoy: i don't recommend installing it yet
13:17:49DimiBoyhi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness?
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13:18:17B4gderDimiBoy: stop that
13:18:52DimiBoyyes i know but i just want to know few things
13:19:03B4gderthen ask
13:19:06ender`you don't need to sound like a parrot
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13:20:19LinusNwow
13:20:46preglowahahah
13:21:27Acksawlol
13:21:28preglowonce in a while humankind really does spit forth an amusing character or two
13:21:40Acksawill second that1
13:21:56amiconnhi LinusN :)
13:22:06LinusNhi
13:22:30preglowplease repeat things three times for convenience
13:22:40amiconnLinusN: There is already a small update for my 16bit LCD patch
13:22:49LinusNsaw that
13:22:50Acksawany further revelations for the audio?
13:22:56LinusNAcksaw: no, been busy
13:23:12Acksawunderstandable
13:23:23amiconnLinusN: In fact I'm pretty sure it will speed things up, just not how much
13:23:33amiconnIt should speed up the drawing part that is
13:23:55*Acksaw is drinking too much milkshake
13:24:16amiconn...and it is working correctly, tested in the simulator
13:24:31tucozbuilding gcc-sh-elf with newlib takes a loooong time
13:24:38LinusNamiconn: care to set up a testbench plugin?
13:25:00amiconnFor testing speed?
13:25:05LinusNyes
13:25:51Acksawi think my dog is ill
13:26:39amiconnLinusN: Hmm, should be possible, but not simple without an actual unit
13:27:15LinusNi know, perhaps i'd better do it
13:27:48Acksawwhat do you guys code rockbox in?
13:27:54LinusNa house?
13:28:03amiconnMeasuring speed with a set loop count would require at least coarse knowledge of what speed to expect
13:28:14Acksawi mean what program
13:28:16LinusNamiconn: true
13:28:17Acksawor langugage
13:28:18Jungti1234help
13:28:22LinusNAcksaw: C and asm
13:28:59amiconnOtherwise the loop might run either for several minutes to hours, or very short with no usable result
13:29:06LinusNexactly
13:29:10Jungti1234Music is not said in H100.
13:29:52Jungti1234oops
13:30:03amiconnOf course one could do the opposite: run the loop for a set amount of time and count the iterations
13:30:21Jungti1234Music is said. :)
13:30:21Acksawc# or c++?
13:30:27LinusNAcksaw: C
13:30:39Acksawim learning some c#
13:31:09B4gderc# is quite far from Rockbox ;-)
13:31:31ender`let's start porting mono to rockbox >:)
13:32:03markunJungti1234: the translation doesn't make sence
13:32:07LinusNi just love this (from tonights log): "06.05.24 # <AnInternetUser> he should hire some geniuses like bill gates"
13:32:23LinusNregarding my h300 work
13:32:45B4gderhahaha
13:32:46markunyes, but he was talking that you, just like bill gates, should hire people
13:33:04markuns/talking/saying
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13:33:26B4gderyes LinusN, why don't you just hire some geniuses?
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13:33:38LinusNi should have thought of that
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13:34:10LinusNwhy not just let some competent people work on rockbox instead?
13:34:26B4gdernooo, don't take it away from us!
13:38:39preglowall open source projects advance fastest when in the hands of a looney bin
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13:42:08tucozwhich target is it that has this 200k limit?
13:43:40preglowrecorder v1?
13:44:02amiconnRecorder v1 and player
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13:44:33preglowi think we might as well just prepare a compressed image loader now :/
13:44:37amiconnPlayer is less critical because rockbox isn't that close to the limit as on recorder v1
13:45:02amiconnThe other archoses have a 400K limit
13:45:34pregloware we waiting with integrating unicode because of size issues, or just to not do too many big overhauls at once?
13:45:52B4gderI have in fact a tiny bootloader that inflates a gzip image
13:45:57B4gdernot for sh, but anyway
13:46:33B4gderhow much do UCL and gz differ in compression ratio?
13:46:35preglowwe already have a decompressor for sh1, no?
13:46:37preglowucl?
13:46:38amiconnI wouldn't introduce another compression scheme
13:46:43preglowmyep
13:46:57preglowB4gder: perhaps a bit, in favour of gzip
13:47:00amiconnI want to reuse rockbox.ucl and just tackon the decompressor
13:47:09B4gderwell, I thought it would depend how much extra room you get
13:47:13preglowa lot of the point with ucl is the fast decompressor
13:47:36amiconnucl has a fast and tiny decompressor, and the compression ratio is very good
13:48:28amiconnMy local builds: ajbrec.ajz: 200022 bytes rockbox.ucl: 122715 bytes
13:48:57preglowhow's that for gzip?
13:49:06B4gdergzip is only very little smaller
13:49:06preglowjust for a quick comparison
13:49:18markunamiconn: would you be so kind to try out the updated unicode patch before I sumit it to the tracker? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode2.diff
13:49:20B4gder-rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 122780 Nov 25 13:48 rockbox.gz
13:49:20B4gder-rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 124226 Nov 25 13:48 rockbox.ucl
13:49:48B4gder(compressing my rocbox.bin)
13:50:03amiconnrockbox.bin.gz: 122151 bytes
13:50:10amiconnThat's gzip -9
13:51:29amiconnPerhaps I'll have a shot at the decompressor.
13:51:55amiconnImho we will need uclpack in cvs then, and some perl magic for the build system
13:52:07B4gderyeps
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13:53:25amiconnLike, running scramble from a script, and if it returns with firmware-too-big error, run make in another sub-dir (the decompressor), and then re-run scamble with the new .bin
13:53:30markunBagder: you were talking about replacing some of the 'sed' code with perl code in the makefile for the sim once. It would help me a lot because FreeBSD's sed doesn't like the code at all
13:54:09ashridahrofl. did you people rely on GNU sedisms? :)
13:54:22*ashridah kept on running into that with the assignments he had to mark this year
13:54:47ashridahdamned students wrote them on linux machines, and never bothered to test on solaris, even tho i TOLD them that the GNU toolchain has more features than solaris's
13:55:20B4gderit is not a GNU extension
13:55:43B4gderwe use the /D command
13:55:49B4gdermention in TSUSV2
13:55:53B4gdermentioned
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13:56:05ashridahaah
13:56:20ashridahinteresting. would have expected freebsd to support SUSv2
13:56:23B4gderiirc
13:56:55B4gderah, no
13:57:05B4gderit is a /c with newlines in the replacement string
13:57:21ashridahhm that's a new one on me
13:58:34markunamiconn: the unicode2.diff was almost 9MB because I updated and added some fonts :)
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14:00:18B4gdermarkun: fixing the sed thing was not just a 5 min hack I thought it would be so I haven't worked that out yet
14:01:02Acksawanyides what [b1] means on a rom?
14:03:30LinusNAcksaw: ?????
14:04:07Acksawyes?
14:04:11preglowAcksaw: it's a system for tagging the validity of roms used by goodsnes
14:04:18Acksawahh
14:04:20Acksawthanks
14:04:20preglowAcksaw: and the goodtools in general
14:04:30preglowAcksaw: i suggest you download the manuals to those program to see what the tags means
14:04:35Acksawjust wondering as i didnt know if they would play on RockBoy
14:04:54LinusNAcksaw: i thought you were talking about flash rom chips
14:05:01B4gdercalling a file a rom sure is confusin
14:05:04LinusN"a rom" isn't very descriptive
14:05:05preglowhehe
14:05:13preglowi'm used to it
14:05:42Acksawi should of made my question clearer, sorry
14:05:56*preglow eyes the bakery across the street with hunger
14:06:14Acksawat last
14:06:19Acksawa english bomberman!
14:06:27Acksawand this one plays faster
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14:07:02Acksawhey san
14:08:56Acksawbomberman 1 is longer games
14:13:21markunAnd before you ask: no San, no progress on the H3xx front :)
14:13:45Jungti1234wow..
14:13:55Jungti1234good sounds..
14:14:09markunJungti1234: from the H120?
14:14:15Jungti1234yes
14:14:57Jungti1234It's emotion. :)
14:15:02markun:)
14:15:41Jungti1234markun, are you working?
14:15:50markunI should be studying..
14:16:02Jungti1234ah..
14:16:26Jungti1234Don't you go to the office on Friday?
14:17:43XavierGrYAY my ISP just made a mistake and gave 4months of ADSL free!!!!
14:18:10XavierGr(or so it seems)
14:18:36Jungti1234adsl?
14:18:52Jungti1234It's so slow. ^^;
14:18:56XavierGrinternet connection type
14:19:09XavierGrgrrr I hate you Jungti dont mess with my pain
14:19:58Jungti1234hahaha
14:20:08Jungti1234Don't hate me. :)
14:20:32XavierGrI pay 120 euros for 3 months of crappy 384D/128U conncetion which shuts down whenever I use a VoiP app. (with lags more than 300ms)
14:20:43Jungti1234The South Korea uses most VDSL.
14:20:54Jungti1234Or 100mbps
14:21:13XavierGrI hate you STOP that immediately!!!!
14:21:26Jungti1234hahaha okok
14:21:47XavierGrI have internet inferiority syndrome! :p
14:21:50amiconnXavierGr: ADSL doesn't have to be *that* slow
14:21:50Jungti1234relax.. :)
14:21:57*amiconn uses 2048/384
14:22:14XavierGramiconn come to Greece and say that to the ISPs
14:22:15preglowi hate the assymetry :/
14:22:16Jungti1234haha
14:22:18preglowsdsl for me
14:22:20Lynx_XavierGr: i can sell you a cheap herbal patch to enlarge your dsl connection!
14:22:37XavierGrLynx_: I am looking forward to this.
14:23:15Jungti1234Korean ISPs show strange action.
14:23:22amiconnmarkun: Unicode patch breaks recorder v1. ~800 bytes too large binary :(
14:23:40XavierGrUnbelievabe is the quality of the lines here.
14:24:11XavierGr384 means 320 and if you are lucky (I am not) you can use VoiP without problems
14:24:28Jungti1234They are going to change internet to meter-rate system.
14:24:51Jungti1234It's bad. :(
14:25:15Jungti1234Is action that degenerate.
14:25:42*amiconn can probably upgrade to 6144/576 at almost no additional cost
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14:26:53XavierGrNow I hate all of you!
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14:27:03*XavierGr hides in a corner
14:27:27ashridahXavierGr: don't feel bad. i can't get any kind of decent high speed connection where i live currently. it's dialup or nothing
14:27:41*preglow has 8000/600
14:27:52XavierGrat least your dial-up should be flat-rate, no?
14:28:00preglowor something around that
14:28:11ashridahXavierGr: depends how much you pay, and who you're with.
14:28:18preglowi'd gladly slash the download in half to get a few mbits of upstream
14:28:19*XavierGr shakes in rage " MAKE IT STOP "
14:28:28preglowXavierGr: i _used_ to have 100mbit :PPP
14:29:04preglownothing quite like driving people to the brink of insanity
14:29:06*XavierGr attempts a "harakiri"!!!!
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14:29:36XavierGrwe still pay dial-up here per hour!
14:29:52ashridahthat's uncanny.
14:30:02XavierGrthat's hilarious....
14:30:33ashridahis there a monopoly or something in the telco area over there?
14:31:19preglownot that long since we had one
14:31:27Jungti1234hmm.. -_-;
14:31:33ashridahwe have one here.
14:31:38ashridahone company owns 99% of the infrastructure
14:31:45preglowashridah: well, that's still true here
14:31:49ashridahfortunately, they keep getting beaten into submission by the consumer protection groups
14:31:55preglowashridah: but they've been forced to allow those who wants to use it
14:32:10XavierGrashridah: exactly the only company that has cables and telephony here is one single company (and some other minor ones that buy lines from the main company) so it is a damn monopoly.
14:32:15ashridahso they have no choice but to offer their DSL equipment wholesale for practically nothing, lets the competition undercut them bigtime
14:32:32preglowashridah: which isn't that far-fetched, since it was built with tax-payer money anyway
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14:32:46*ashridah notes that it sounds like XavierGr's country needs a consumer protection group with teeth
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14:32:59ashridahpreglow: exactly
14:33:03ashridahsame here
14:33:04XavierGrindeed and amen t that
14:33:07Jungti1234Here the two companies 40% occupy.
14:33:21Jungti1234Each 40%
14:33:47XavierGrwhere is EU when you need it to kick some asses.
14:34:05XavierGrThis company must be dismantlled and give their lines to people :p
14:34:34Jungti1234I pay 30 thousand wons at month.
14:34:44pregloweu isn't in the business of kicking asses
14:34:45ashridahXavierGr: is the company government owned or privatly owned?
14:34:51preglowit's in the business of being backward and unfriendly
14:34:58Jungti1234hahaha..
14:35:27XavierGrit WAS government owned. now it has a pretty large percent of it in stocks.
14:35:35XavierGrstock exchange that is
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14:39:00Jungti1234I will no longer say about it. :)
14:39:17Jungti1234He hates.
14:39:24XavierGryou better do that :)
14:39:35Jungti1234hehe..
14:39:45XavierGrwe have a forum that discuss all these things
14:40:15XavierGrand when someone posts some news of other countries and prices of conncetions he gets flames.
14:40:20XavierGr^flamed
14:41:29Jungti1234The Korea isn't cheap.
14:42:14XavierGrokay dare to share your price?
14:42:24XavierGrsay price per mbit!
14:42:43XavierGrit is around 100euros mbit / month
14:43:00XavierGr(maximum is 2 mbit)
14:43:47Jungti1234100mbps service of here is 30 thousand wons at month.
14:44:13Jungti123424.48euros
14:44:33Jungti1234It's about 25 Euros.
14:44:42XavierGrLOL
14:45:04XavierGrxaxa I can't dare to calculate the ratio.
14:45:20Jungti1234haha.
14:45:46XavierGrOMFG what I am saying?
14:45:55XavierGrYou are the enemy I hate you
14:46:00preglowhahah
14:46:08XavierGryou shall rotten in ethernet cable
14:46:11Jungti1234oh... -_-;
14:46:21XavierGr;p
14:46:22Jungti1234relax..
14:46:34Jungti1234That's true.
14:48:40XavierGrwell at least my ISP made a mistake and now I have 4 months of free crappy adsl, so there!
14:49:47Jungti1234I know your feel.
14:55:28thegeekhehe
14:55:45thegeekI have 100mbit for 19 euro / month
14:55:56thegeek20gb/48h cap though
14:56:13Jungti1234akkkkkkk!
14:56:31thegeekIt's only because I get to use the university line
14:56:40Jungti1234Where do you live?
14:56:43thegeeknorway
14:56:54Jungti1234ah university line..
14:56:56thegeekbut the prices are "normally" MUCH higher
14:56:57thegeekyes
14:56:59thegeek;)
14:57:06Jungti1234good..
14:57:10thegeekheh
14:58:06preglowi laught at your ridicilous cap!
14:58:58preglowimagine what a warez nest the student villages used to be a couple of years back, when there was no cap
14:59:15B4gderI bet they still are
14:59:19B4gdercap or not
14:59:22preglowthe moholt gateway broke down on a regular basis, i remember
14:59:35preglowB4gder: yeah, but it was _much_ worse
14:59:40B4gdertrue
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15:00:10preglowi used to share a flat with network assistant up there, and he closed down a number of people each week
15:00:45preglowand the place in question isn't that big
15:02:19preglowthegeek: they also did look at a number of other much worse solutions, you're lucky it ended up like it did, heh
15:02:53thegeektrue;)
15:03:15thegeekI threw together a little perl, iptables and sql
15:03:21thegeekto monitor my bw usage
15:03:49preglowi never had much of a problem with it during the later days
15:03:51thegeeksuprisingly I found no ready-made solution for monitoring a "floating" limit
15:03:56thegeekhehe
15:03:59preglowand anyway, my flatmate would just put me back in the net if i was closed out, heh
15:04:06thegeekall it takes is to forget turning of a torrent
15:04:12thegeekhaha
15:04:21***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
15:04:25preglownever happened, though
15:04:27preglowi'm a nice boy
15:04:33thegeekbah
15:04:40thegeekIt's not that I use all that bw
15:04:57thegeekit's just that it's very easy to go over the limit if you allow other people to download from oyu
15:04:58thegeekyou
15:05:01preglowyup
15:05:05preglowi got slashdotted once
15:05:09thegeekhaha;)
15:05:12preglowhad to yank out the cable
15:05:16thegeekmhm
15:05:36thegeekyou should've just changed mac, to get a new ip
15:05:49preglowdidn't want a new ip, i ran a number of domains
15:06:07thegeek;)
15:06:28preglowhad my take at being a sysadmin for some years
15:06:47thegeekfunfun
15:06:48thegeekhttp://www.free60.org/wiki/Documentation
15:06:49thegeekhehe
15:06:54preglowit was, actuallt
15:06:55preglowy
15:06:56preglowlearnt heaps
15:07:07thegeeklook at all the on-cpu security it has
15:07:32thegeekI laugh at all the 14-year-old fanboys that think it will be hacked right away
15:07:37preglowahaha
15:07:45preglowonchip boot room
15:07:47preglowrom, even
15:07:49thegeekindeed
15:07:50thegeekevil
15:08:43preglowthey've probably learnt their lesson now, yes
15:08:47preglowbut still, some mistake probably exists
15:09:11thegeekhopefully;)
15:09:45thegeekbut yes, It could very well be a looong time before(if ever) it gets hacked
15:13:31preglowdoes it still run some freak version of windows?
15:13:51Jungti1234I don't know meaning of 'Scroll Speed Setting Example' yet. Who will answer to me?
15:14:20LinusNJungti1234: it's a bug, the text is too short
15:14:42Jungti1234hmm?
15:14:43LinusNif that's what you mean
15:14:50LinusNor are you translating?
15:14:58Jungti1234yes
15:15:16LinusNthat text is shown when you adjust the scroll settings
15:15:22LinusNso you can see how it scrolls
15:15:32Jungti1234ah
15:15:35LinusNthe text should be quite long
15:15:38Jungti1234ok
15:15:45Jungti1234I understood.
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15:23:51tucozshould I add wps as a module to the cvs wiki?
15:26:40tucozmaybe it isn't necessary.
15:26:54tucoz...after all. :)
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15:33:04tucozhow come there is a apps/wps/ipodVOL directory in cvs?
15:33:24tucozthat is the only directory under apps/wps/ and it is empty
15:36:28Jungti1234Who is H100 developer?
15:36:35Jungti1234There are ideas to me.
15:36:44LinusNJungti1234: we are many
15:37:08Jungti1234Translation may be strange.
15:37:13Jungti1234After choose a song been playing now in directory list, a song is played from first again if press Jog button.
15:37:20Jungti1234I should like to edit it.
15:37:29LinusNtucoz: i don't have apps/wps in my cvs repository
15:37:46B4gderuse cvs update -P to get it removed
15:38:02B4gderthat's why -dP should be used
15:38:24LinusNJungti1234: i don't understand
15:38:31Jungti1234hmm -_-;
15:38:40tucozLinusN: check http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/wps/
15:38:47Jungti1234In directory list
15:39:03B4gdertucoz: what's the problem with it?
15:39:16Jungti1234If choose a song that is played now and press jog button
15:39:20linuxstbtucoz: The WPS files were initially place there, and then moved. That's why there is that directory in cvs.
15:39:38tucozB4gder: nothing. :) I was just trying to figure out where to put the .cfg files for the themes
15:39:42Drumrboy|awayNo mp3 support yet right? if there will be, you know when?
15:39:44Jungti1234A been playing song begins from first again now.
15:39:54B4gdertucoz: you don't put .cfg files anywhere
15:39:56LinusNDrumrboy|away: see the channel topic
15:39:57B4gderthey are generated
15:40:03Jungti1234Can you edit it?
15:40:11tucozI see
15:40:15Drumrboy|awayi know, im sorry. just really anxious... sorry
15:40:21B4gdertucoz: see the wps module, and the WPSLIST file
15:40:29tucozB4gder: thanks
15:40:38LinusNJungti1234: why do you want to change it?
15:41:45Jungti1234While see list as hearing a song, if put out list fast, press jog button.
15:42:00Jungti1234It is accustomed to original firmware.
15:42:17B4gderJungti1234: get used to it, Rockbox is not the original firmware
15:42:17LinusNpress Play to get back to the wps
15:42:39Jungti1234haha.. ok
15:43:10Jungti1234It's my way of thinking.
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15:44:54tucozJungti1234, when you have used Rockbox for a while, I am sure that you will like it better that the original firmware
15:45:05tucoz*than
15:45:31Jungti1234:)
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16:07:04CassandraWhat do people normally use for editing BDF fonts?
16:07:05lameddamn
16:07:24lamedthere's some font editor described in the wiki
16:07:34*amiconn uses olde pfaedit
16:07:53amiconn(predecessor of fontforge)
16:08:00*lamed kindly asks linusN if he found the time to go through the code...
16:08:27CassandraI can't seem to work out how to change the widths of individual chars in a BDF font using fontforge.
16:08:37CassandraIt really does have terrible documentation.
16:11:06lamedthat's why i've stopped using xemacs. so user-unfriendly.
16:11:34B4gderyes, plain emacs is much better! B-]
16:11:47Cassandraemacs isn't meant to be friendly. Using it is supposed to make you into a man, or somthing.
16:11:57preglowthe steaming turd of the editor world
16:12:05Cassandra(I stopped using xemacs because it took so bloody long to load.)
16:12:10preglowsane people use vim
16:12:11preglow:-)
16:12:19B4gderemacs has basically been on my screen every day for the last 13 years or so
16:12:25Cassandrapreglow, vim is really no better.
16:12:32preglowCassandra: loads faster, at least
16:12:44B4gderloads? who quits the editor? ;-)
16:12:48preglowand it's possible to use it without having to be an expert
16:12:58B4gderstart it only after reboots ;-)
16:13:13CassandraFor those of you at home who've just joined us, welcome to 'editor wars', a frequent argument among programmers.
16:13:29*preglow gases up the flamethrower
16:13:44*B4gder puts on his absestos underwear
16:14:15CassandraI've never found a UNIX editor I like.
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16:17:09CassandraCome to think of it, I still pine for the IBM internal 'e' editor. (And 'epm', the OS/2 version.) Best compromise between power and usability I've ever come across.
16:17:20solexxI tried Gnus a few day ago
16:17:33solexxbut it took 30 minutes to load a single IMAP mailbox
16:17:38B4gderhttp://www.contactor.se/~dast/frexxed/
16:17:39LinusNfrexxed still rules ;-)
16:17:40B4gder;-)
16:17:46B4gderhahaha
16:19:54CassandraThis Daniel Sternberg guy sounds like a real loser though.
16:20:09preglowsternberg, haha
16:21:03CassandraYou know, sometimes I think I must be borderline dislexic.
16:21:17CassandraOr dyslexic, even.
16:21:22tucozhaha
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16:21:36B4gdernot me, I mean I'm not at all using a nick that is alsost a word
16:21:44B4gderalmost
16:22:41CassandraAnd you know exactly how much that confuses me. ;)
16:23:03CassandraCute daughter though.
16:23:09B4gder:-)
16:25:15tucozB4gder, you calculated the lines of code for rockbox, and what the price of that would be in a commercial context. How did you do that?
16:25:24preglowthere's a tool for it
16:26:18B4gderand sloccount is its name
16:26:32tucozthanks
16:27:08B4gderTotal Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 219,928
16:27:14B4gderTotal Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 7,781,014
16:27:35tucozhehe, a tidy sum I must say
16:27:36preglowSLOC?
16:27:43preglowis that some kind of formal unit, or what?
16:27:43tucozSource Lines Of Code
16:27:45B4gdersource lines of code I think
16:27:47tucozprobably
16:27:59preglowlike skipping braces alone on aline, or something :)
16:28:32B4gderwell, how to count is always debated
16:28:43B4gderbut using a single tool is a good way
16:29:11ashridahyay, metrics
16:29:59CassandraIt's going to be an underestimate anyway.
16:30:09CassandraSince many lines of code have been changed/removed.
16:32:03lamedand i'f you'll install couple of patches you might get like a hundred bucks for it
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16:36:58eli_shererHello everyone, I just made my first "rock" plugin...
16:37:06B4gdercongratulations
16:37:15CassandraCongrats. What does it do?
16:37:16B4gderdoes it rock? ;-)
16:37:24eli_shererit does...
16:37:33eli_shererit's RockPaint if you heard of it...
16:37:45eli_shererhttp://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32092
16:37:48eli_shereronly for H300.. sorry
16:38:07eli_shererbecause it's color
16:38:09*B4gder needs a color LCD target
16:38:31lamedlinusn: here?
16:38:41eli_shereri made myself a mission to make as many color plugins i can for the h300!
16:38:52CassandraYou and me both, Bagder.
16:38:57B4gdereli_sherer: that's the spirit!
16:39:43eli_shererh300 owners are getting bored by the current plugins because their all b/w except "cube" lol
16:39:56LinusNlamed: yes
16:40:21B4gdereli_sherer: well, you can of course colorise them
16:40:22CassandraSee this is the problem - owners of colour MP3 players obviously have a short attention span.
16:40:35LinusNCassandra: :-)
16:40:52CassandraPersonally I use Rockbox for playing music. Weird, I know, but there you have it.
16:41:13B4gderyou freak ;-)
16:41:15LinusNCassandra: you're getting old, that's it
16:41:18eli_sherer:-)
16:41:37eli_shererto play music we have the original OS
16:41:42LinusNlol
16:41:57CassandraLinusN, I've known that for years. ;)
16:42:09LinusNmany, many years...
16:42:29CassandraPah - I think you're about the same age as me.
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16:43:09LinusNroughly
16:43:24eli_shererLinusN: there are rumors you mangaed to hear something on the H300 with RB...
16:43:31LinusNyes
16:43:53eli_shereris it released yet?
16:44:04*Cassandra wonders if "Why isn't fontforge written in C++ really is a *Frequenty* asked question.
16:44:06lamedlinusn: remember saying something about new menu system? was it just a thought to the future or something that happening?
16:44:40LinusNlamed: refresh my memory
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16:47:18markunB4gder: buy a Gigabeat if you need colors, then I'm not lonely..
16:47:37B4gdernot a bad idea
16:47:44B4gderso many new fun targets to consider
16:47:46*Cassandra will take any colour MP3 player anyone gives her.
16:47:49eli_sherernothing beats H300s
16:48:02markunGigabeat + rockbox will beat it
16:48:14B4gdergigabeat does have much more impressive specs
16:48:16eli_shererwhats a Gigabeat
16:48:33markunAlthough it doesn't have radio or digital out or lcd remote..
16:48:43tucozthis might be a stupid question, but does the gigabeat have a fpu?
16:48:54markunno, it doesn't
16:49:07B4gdermost h3x0 users have no lcd remote either
16:49:16markuneli_sherer: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo
16:49:37markunbut for the gigabeat it's not even possible I think.
16:50:19B4gdertime to run!
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16:50:32markunmoo
16:52:02CassandraAnnoyingly most modern stereos don't seem to have digital in.
16:52:14NicoFR<eli_sherer> Hello everyone, I just made my first "rock" plugin...
16:52:15CassandraThis includes my rather nice one. :(
16:52:27eli_shererthe remote i got with my H320 is enough for my "remote control" needs
16:52:32NicoFReli_sherer: do you mean i'ts already functional ?
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16:53:08eli_shereryes, its up for download on the first post on the link i gave (MisticRiver, H3x0 Rockbox,...)
16:53:55NicoFRoh I didn't see that..
16:54:03NicoFRthx
16:54:12eli_shererno load,save...function like that (if that what you ment)
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16:55:17^BeN^eli_sherer private
16:55:18NicoFRwell I didn't really expect a finished product that quickly ;-)
16:55:36eli_shererit'll be nice to get some feedback on the interface and how to improve it
16:55:46NicoFRI'm going to try it now
16:56:05linuxstbeli_sherer: How does the UI work at the moment? Do you emulate a mouse?
16:56:07eli_sherergood luck...it's really simple so it can't screw with your player...hehe
16:56:42eli_sherera xor pixel moves with the arrow keys and the palette on the bottom has a cursor that moves with the REC and A-B
16:56:51eli_shererNAVI paints
16:57:08eli_shererPLAY clears screen
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16:58:04eli_sherermy idea right now is to make two states that one is drawing and the other is menu select and PLAY will get you to that menu
16:58:24eli_shererthat way i could dump the left toolbar and save space for drawing :)
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16:59:16lamedlinusn: external files for every menu item, clicking on it calls the apropriate function... that way users can easily edit their own menus...
16:59:51NicoFReli_sherer : very nice
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17:00:01eli_shererthanks...
17:00:17NicoFRit's good having a full screen plugin in color :)
17:00:46LinusNlamed: quite cumbersome imho
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17:01:22LinusNlamed: and it makes it hard to translate
17:01:29LinusNlamed: and to voice
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17:02:45lamedi'm almost positive it was _your_ idea... maybe i'm wrong. it does seems like a good way to have the avrage user just renaming files though. arranging by numbers at the start of filename. nm.
17:02:52Jungti1234What is 'Gain'?
17:02:55preglowLinusN: hard to translate? the user himself has to deal with that by calling the menu file name what it's called in the current locale
17:03:07Jungti1234It marks by dB.
17:03:22lamedpreglow: yes but then what about changing languages?
17:03:33tucozThe way linuxstb made it? I think that works great, but maybe it is not the right way to do it.
17:03:54eli_shereri think the current menu is perfect though it is important that it would be arranged or have GUI
17:04:03lamedso it was linuxstb. i most memorize that.
17:04:15LinusNeli_sherer: "or have GUI"?
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17:04:25preglowchanging languages becomes problematic
17:04:32eli_shererwith BMPs (eye candy)
17:04:51eli_shereri mean like iriver's
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17:05:03Saneli_sherer <−− It WORKS!
17:05:10lameddamn html irc form
17:05:10Santhe rockpaint works
17:05:12Santhanks man
17:05:14LinusNi'd much rather concentrate on the ear candy
17:05:14Sanit is cool
17:05:20eli_shererSan: wheeee...
17:05:24Sanlol
17:05:35eli_shererit'll be more cool the next version
17:05:37Sanbut, are you going to make the option for bigger brushes?
17:05:56eli_shereri am in the army so i dont get to work on it as much as i want to
17:06:04Sanaah
17:06:10Sancould you send me the source code though?
17:06:10eli_shereryes i thought of that and even make the cursor larger...
17:06:27eli_sherer"could you send me the source code though?" -nope
17:06:31Sanok
17:06:32Sannp
17:07:03*LinusN mumbles....gpl.....
17:07:35*preglow joins in on the mumbling
17:07:36Mooseli_sherer: when your plugin it will be commit, he will ;)
17:07:54amiconnLinusN: [17:05:33] <lamed> damn html irc form <== Any chance of seeing CGI::IRC updated on the server?
17:08:10eli_shererwell your right i just think it's too soon
17:08:32LinusNsure
17:08:36^BeN^eli_sherer in which programming language you write the plugin?
17:08:48eli_shererC of course
17:08:54^BeN^ahh ok
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17:09:28amiconnOh, and LinusN, sorry that I am pestering again, but there are still no windows installer builds...
17:09:41lamedlinusn: if a user dosen't know the meaning of a menu item, (replaygain/crossfade/caption backlight) - he has to check the manual. not so userfriendly. I agree that gui menu with sometimes large icons might be a good way... and it has to let the user rearrange the menus. (seems rather wierd FM menu / playlist / recording is on Buttom). furthermore, i was thinking of a "quick help" plugin/widget, that with a certin button introduce the explanation from t
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17:11:18^BeN^linus, its more safe now to install the rockbox on my h3xx?
17:11:36lamedi mean, there should be some code that puts the wikimanual in the build, and clicking that button will show you the corrosponding place in the manual.
17:11:48lamedyour thoughts?\
17:11:49Jungti1234Is today Thanksgiving Day?
17:12:07lamedwasn't that yesturday?
17:12:24preglowlamed: well, there's a reason the manual is there at all
17:12:35tucoz^BeN^, it is the same bootloader, so I think not
17:12:47^BeN^ok
17:13:01webguest43Hello
17:13:36lamedpreglow: don't you suppose people would appericate if you shouldn't go all through the manual to find something specific? let's say a long MODE click on an item will show it's description.
17:13:54webguest43I've got one wps question please, phaedrus961 helped me few weeks ago, but I deleted the file :(
17:14:39preglowlamed: sure, it'd be neat, but i don't think it's very high priority, the manual is there, after all
17:14:49preglowif i don't understand something about a thing, i read the manual
17:15:31lamed_You_ know _everything_ about the system...
17:15:56webguest43how can I replace: %s%?it<%?in<%in.l>%itl%fn> by the same line without the track num info? please
17:16:15webguest43l for vertical bar
17:17:10preglowpreglow: i wasn't speaking about rockbox, i was speaking about things in general
17:17:15preglowyes, talking to myself
17:17:16preglowlamed, that is
17:17:34preglowlamed: i am, believe or not, not fully proficient in every type of gadget out there and do need to read manuals sometimes
17:17:55preglowi don't think that's user-unfriendly
17:17:58webguest43phaedrus961: you around?
17:18:25lamedanyways, linusn, preglow, i'm still waiting for your replys about (hate to say that again) my screen scroll patch. I'll have plenty of time tommrow to make adjustments if you'll say something, I just won't have an internet access so i'm asking today.
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17:19:04webguest43can someone can help me with my WPS problem please ?
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17:19:44lamedpreglow: I still think that mere clicking the mode button over "replaygain" menu item, is very simple and probably help you to clear out most fuss.
17:20:14preglowlamed: problem is there's a whole infrastructure problem there that needs a lot of work
17:20:35preglowthe manual needs to exist in a form usable for this, unless you propose we need to update both the manual and the help strings in rockbox at the same time
17:20:53preglowwe also need to use a lot space, and space we do not have lots of on archos platforms
17:21:26preglowfeel free to work on it if you want, like i said, i think it sounds neat, but i for one don't mind looking in a manual
17:22:03LinusNi have updated cgiirc to 0.5.7
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17:22:44linuxstb_++++++++
17:22:48linuxstb_:)
17:22:50LinusNweeeee
17:22:51linuxstb_It works.
17:22:56lameddcan i type +
17:22:57lameddyey
17:22:59lameddhehehe
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17:23:29lameddway the go.. and i don't get the 1/4 of type line error anymore.
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17:24:03webguest43anyone help me please?
17:24:11webguest43+can
17:25:07lamedanyways, preglow, i was making that screen scroll and star plugin fix just because people like yourself told me "if you want, you can do it yourself"... now I have to update manually every time unless it's ever to be in the source...
17:25:22webguest43Hey cut/past work now :) line problem: %s%?it<%?in<%in.|>%it|%fn> (want to remove track num info)
17:25:27preglowlamed: i didn't say it would ever be in the source, did i
17:25:48lamedpreglow: of course not...
17:25:55preglowthen what are you complaining about?
17:25:58preglowthings take time
17:26:08preglowfixing other peoples patches arount the most fun thing in the world
17:26:13preglowand i'm looking at yours now
17:26:46preglowproblem is i know nothing about this part of rockbox, i can't read the source and say if it breaks anything, the only thing i can do is verify it works
17:27:32webguest43phaedrus961: when you'll read this, can you help me again please about how to remove the tracknum info from the WPS line code mentioned, I will read the logs, thanks in advance
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17:27:42preglowi've commited things that turned out to break other things before, and it's not something i want to repeat too often
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17:29:09preglowand btw, why do you use unsigned chars for strings? is that a rockboy policy or something?
17:29:16preglowrockboX
17:29:39lamedpreglow: i'm sure it's hell ain't fun... as i said, i only try to understand how you work around (and i mean, the project as a whole) all those comments, patches, and wanted options. that's why i'm trying to discuss before changing something, so i'll know what might/wont be accepted.
17:29:42lamedpreglow: where?
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17:30:17preglowscreen_access.h
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17:30:37lamedpreglow: i can direct you to
17:30:38lamedhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1360892
17:30:53preglowseems rockbox does it other places as well, oh well
17:30:53lamedwhere i've mentioned some problems that still exists.
17:30:57lamedline?
17:31:01preglowforget it
17:31:34lamedi have to retrive the file...
17:31:38lamednot using my computer
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17:33:57sikeis there need of a dutch language file?
17:34:17eli_shererjust finished v0.2 of RockPaint!
17:34:51linuxstbsike: There is already one. I don't know how up to date it is though, or if it has an active maintainer.
17:34:55preglowlamed: do offset_step and offset_out_if_view really need default values? i would have thought the settings system initalised then with the defaults anyway
17:35:14preglowi think markun has dealth with the dutch file
17:35:19preglowdealt, even
17:35:33lamedpreglow: unsigned chars where like that in the source. i've just made new functions there (the ones with the _offset of course)\
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17:35:53preglowlamed: but yeah, line 224 and 225, is that necessary?
17:36:06preglowi ask out of curiosity, i have no idea myself
17:37:10lamedpreglow: yes, you are right on that. I just looked at the integer of scroll step (that's not the name, i can't look at the code) being somewhere set to defult 6.
17:37:43preglowlamed: because you set defaults for it in the settings system as well, yes? i would have thought these would be set anyway
17:38:51markunnever used the dutch translation
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17:40:01lamedi've just did everything like it was in the normal scroll step value. yes, it doesn't have to be there, but that just the way it was.
17:40:09lamedi'm retriving the code to find lines 224..
17:43:34eli_shererrockpaint v0.2 is now up for d/l!!!!
17:45:13lamedpreglow: what's in those lines? can't find out how to access line number with word.
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17:46:54preglowlamed: 'static int offset_step = 15'
17:47:24preglowyou also do a bit of pointless syntactic stuff, like removing one space here and there, move a bracket here and there
17:47:26NicoFReli_sherer: isn't the cross a little big ?
17:47:53lamedpreglow: yeah... i can clear up the patchfile from those.
17:48:54preglowlamed: it's ok to prettify the source, i'd just like that to be in a separate patch
17:49:37lamedyou mean, i should upload one file "prettified" and the other stright out..?
17:50:07markunlamed: do you use ms word to edit text files?
17:50:17eli_shererNicoFR: that's why i need feedback to know if something im doing is worth chaning..
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17:51:59lamedyey! an editor! markum: hell no. most of the time bloodshed dev cpp but i don't like it - no split window editing / gui gdb an exe. so i'm looking for something better for a long time.
17:53:04lamedpreglow: no line 224 at screen_access.h/c
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17:53:33lamedyou mean in list.c
17:53:39lamedah
17:54:40NicoFReli_sherer:welle, it's nice having a cross, definitly better than a point... it's just a little big
17:55:00linuxstbeli_sherer: Why are you not publishing the source?
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17:55:15lamed_preglow: line 265: void gui_list_screen_scroll_step
17:55:54lamed_i had to 'copy' the value from the global_settings. otherwise i had to put it in the RAM area of the global settings.
17:56:17preglowlamed_: i meant in the patch
17:56:35preglowbut anywho, i've gotta make dinner
17:56:38lamed_i've checked it with couple of other functions. things like the scrollbar/statusbar are set in the ram.... | what do you mean in the patch
17:57:08Sando pictures work on the H300 yet? There is a post on MR asking what size the images need to be.
17:57:28Philipi don't think so...
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17:57:36Sankk
17:57:48Sanhttp://img464.imageshack.us/img464/3575/cimg41226ui.jpg
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17:57:54Sanrockpaint works anyway
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17:58:21eli_shererlinuxstb: because i dont have an organised way of uploading it every time i change a little thing
17:59:32Philipwhere did you get that, misticriver??
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18:00:31linuxstbeli_sherer: Just include it in the zip file with the .rock
18:01:20lamed_anyhow, preglow, the stuff i've made about that part was just made after other functions that i've found. lcd-h100.c:85: static int scroll_step = 6; and line 1127: void lcd_scroll_step(int step), helps clearify why i did that.
18:01:30lamed_later all
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18:06:15eli_shererwell v0.3 is out with more changed (smaller cursor and cursor now moves repeatedly)
18:06:46Philipand i had literally just downloaded v0.2....
18:08:23preglowyou're going fast at an 1.0 release here
18:10:57eli_shererpreglow: there isn't so much to do until v1.0 (except bmp files which will boost the by 0.5...)
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18:25:23amiconnpreglow: There is nothing written about it, but the rockbox policy is (seems to be) that firmware code has its own internal settings which are read/written via access functions
18:25:38amiconnapp code is allowed to access golbal_settings directly
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18:33:15toolmanwillgot something i just noticed in the iriver h300 series manual and was wondering if this could have any effect on rockbox/iriver fw startup.
18:33:30toolmanwillit says : Do not press two buttons on the product or remote controller simultaneously. The product may malfunction.
18:37:50toolmanwillalso, i've posted about it on forum and misticriver, Can anyone fix the peakmeter when returning from the recording screen? It stops working and you must reboot to get it working again. just loaded 11/25 build and its still doing the same.
18:40:51toolmanwillthats for the H100 builds
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19:25:07webguest43can someone help me out with the unicode patch?
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19:25:23webguest43i'm using takka's 11/22 patch and it doesnt work on the latest cvs
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19:28:39Yokaloshdudes, i know you probably get this question a lot but will Rockbox ever be made for the iRiver PMP-120???
19:28:57Yokaloshi used to have an archos jbr 10 with rockbox on it... that is, until it blew up
19:30:46amiconnLinusN: The installer seems to work okay.
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19:31:25amiconnIt even handles /.rockbox/wps although that didn't exist when the installer was last modified
19:31:46amiconns/installer/installer build script/
19:32:07amiconnPerhaps we should add iriver support to it...
19:35:06RickPMP?
19:35:07Rickoh
19:35:09Rickpersonal media player?
19:35:18Jungti1234yes
19:35:25Rick(:
19:36:24Jungti1234It's portable multimedia player.
19:37:07Jungti1234What is 'BiDi Hebrew/Arabic'?
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19:40:57tucozJungti1234, BiDi means Bi-Directional. Hebrew and Arabic is written from right to left
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19:44:01webguest43that bidi seems to have some conflicts with the unicode patch...
19:44:41tucozwebguest43, markun made a patch today against the current cvs
19:45:21markunwebguest43: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode2.diff
19:45:50webguest43ah
19:45:52webguest43thank you
19:46:02markunhope it works
19:46:14webguest43i'll try right now
19:46:16markunit doesn't work on H3xx btw..
19:46:24webguest43i have h120 :)
19:46:27markungood
19:47:25webguest43btw, do you know how to convert back the rb files to bmps?
19:48:05tucozwebguest43, I think you have to make a screendump for that. But.. I am not sure
19:48:21tucozdo you mean the splash btw?
19:48:25webguest43yes
19:48:28amiconnHmm.
19:48:31webguest43someone made a thread about that
19:48:39webguest43so i posted mine but
19:48:43*amiconn noticed that screendump doesn't dump the remote lcd...
19:48:44webguest43i lost the original bmps
19:48:54webguest43right, i noticed that too :)
19:49:08webguest43well, actually my splashes are for the main one
19:49:47webguest43i used to replace the originals with mine but got tired of doing it since new sources come out everyday :p
19:50:03webguest43thought about making a patch but dont know how :(
19:50:16tucozThat is quite easy
19:50:54webguest43making a patch that replaces the splashes?
19:50:56_FireFly_webguest43: if you use cvs your changes didn't get deleted unless the particular sources didn't get modified on the place which you has modified
19:51:36_FireFly_webguest43: you can also simply make a patch when using cvs
19:51:50webguest43i've heard about this cvs update -dP or something but not clear on how to use it
19:52:00webguest43and how would i make the patch?
19:52:35tucozdo you use cvs?
19:52:36_FireFly_with cvs simply cvs diff -u ><your-patch>.patch
19:53:03webguest43yes i use cvs
19:53:19webguest43no i mean, what do i write on the patch file?
19:53:30webguest43all i have is the rb version of my splashes
19:53:51_FireFly_what do you mean with write on the patch file ??
19:56:14_FireFly_webguest43: checkout the latest version from cvs -> replace the logo with yours -> run following command in the root of the sources: cvs diff -u > my-logo.patch (my-logo is only an example filename)
19:56:30webguest43ah
19:56:52webguest43so if i do that, i get a patch file with everything i've patched so far?
19:56:58_FireFly_yepp
19:57:55webguest43nice, i'm gonna try that right now :)
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20:00:37Jungti1234hi
20:03:06webguest43hi
20:04:41webguest43_FireFly_: is it supposed to take a long time?
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20:11:37Jungti1234hmm..
20:12:07Jungti1234The South Korea is 4:11 now.
20:12:35Jungti1234I stayed up all night.
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20:13:07Sando:)
20:13:37amiconn_Wee, +++−−-+++ and such a long input box :-)
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20:16:39_FireFly_what was that ??
20:16:47Jungti1234I completed Korean translation.
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20:17:00Sando???
20:21:14RickJungti1234: cool (:
20:21:23Jungti1234hehe
20:21:27Jungti1234thanks
20:22:03Sandoi stayed up all night as well - it's 6:21 here right now D:
20:22:35amiconn_FireFly_: Just testing the updated web client.
20:22:36Jungti1234wow..
20:22:50_FireFly_ amiconn ahja ;=
20:22:53_FireFly_;)
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20:26:26Jungti1234ahja?
20:26:37Jungti1234Is it Korean? :)
20:26:42_FireFly_no
20:26:46Jungti1234hahaha
20:26:52_FireFly_german
20:26:58Jungti1234ah...
20:27:00Jungti1234good night
20:27:06Jungti1234bye
20:27:09_FireFly_good night Jungti1234
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20:27:33webguest43is there a way to patch that quickmenu to .cfg patch?
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20:46:15^BeN^can i view pictures with rockbox firmware?
20:46:37tucozYes, jpegs at least
20:47:00^BeN^ok =]
20:47:01tucozBut, I do not think that it works on the h300 yet
20:47:09^BeN^ahh
20:47:10^BeN^ok
20:47:25^BeN^i have an h300
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20:48:05tucozI see. Well, then you'll have to wait for that :)
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21:12:27Acksawthe 1.28k link in the wiki needs fixing
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21:20:18tucozAcksaw, it is a wiki. You can change it if you want
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21:21:47Jungti1234hahaha
21:22:29tucozJungti1234, I thought you went to bed
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21:22:52Raskolnikovhi all
21:22:55Jungti1234afkafkafka
21:23:07tucozHi
21:23:28Raskolnikovi have a question
21:23:30Jungti1234I ate instant noodle.
21:23:42Jungti1234Is full.
21:23:43Raskolnikovdoes rockbox support gain also for ogg files?
21:24:16Jungti1234bye
21:24:20tucozI don't know
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21:24:41tucozI think so, but not sure
21:25:19Raskolnikovok
21:25:42tucozwhat is that called anyway?
21:25:52Raskolnikovvorbis gain
21:25:57tucozreplaygain is for mp3's right?
21:28:46Raskolnikovyes, i think so
21:29:05markunmp3gain for mp3, vorbisgain for ogg, both implement replaygain
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21:29:31Raskolnikovso it also works on rockbox?
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21:33:39tremacslm nas0131ls0131n0131z ark.
21:33:54_FireFly_tremac: english please
21:34:10tremachelle frends
21:34:23tremachello frends
21:34:33CheeseBurgerManHello
21:34:45tremachow are you
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21:35:39Cassandra_firefly_: that quick screen bug fix of yours working properly now?
21:35:55_FireFly_Cassandra: yepp
21:37:12CassandraOK - I'll have another go with it in a minute.
21:37:18_FireFly_ok
21:38:18CassandraGot my remote back too.
21:38:26_FireFly_:)
21:40:04*Cassandra wonders why amiconn has submitted a patch.
21:42:24XavierGrLinus asked him to do so.
21:43:04*Cassandra wonders why Linus asked him to.
21:43:37CheeseBurgerManlol
21:43:38XavierGrit's related to H300s LCD
21:43:53XavierGrI think
21:44:03CassandraThe odd thing is that amiconn has write access to CVS.
21:44:17CassandraHence the confusion over the need for a patch submission.
21:44:32XavierGrI know that, but they didn't want to commit it, just to test
21:44:57XavierGrso Linus could go to the tracker and test the patch. Then amiconn update it e.t.c
21:45:03XavierGriirc!
21:45:35CassandraAh, right.
21:46:47CassandraI was going to commit a new font, but I can't figure out how to make it proportial rather than monospaced.
21:47:27Cassandraproportional, even.
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21:57:26preglowamiconn: i was just meaning there's no poing in initialising the variables with default values, since the settings system will initialise them anyway
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22:18:45Cassandra_FireFly_, looking good on H1xx, just going to check for other platforms.
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22:23:53CassandraRight, now I have a kickass idea for context sensitive help. Got to see if it's workable though.
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22:55:09Bagderhey
22:55:18schnittn2005bdger?
22:55:21schnittn2005badger
22:55:26preglowwhere!?
22:55:33schnittn2005sorry... bagder
22:55:38Bagder:-)
22:55:45schnittn2005i was just wondering if my mirc has problems
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22:55:53schnittn2005because when i entered the room
22:56:02schnittn2005i saw nobody writing
22:56:18preglowno people writing in my room
22:56:29schnittn2005in mean in THIS room
22:56:34preglow:)
22:57:30Bagderthe term is actually "channel" in IRC, not "room"
22:57:32schnittn2005i was hoping to read maybe just a few interesting statements ab out the rb-development
22:57:40schnittn2005yeah, right
22:57:41Bagdernot that it matters much
22:58:06preglowit's pretty quiet here now
22:58:10schnittn2005:(
22:58:22preglowthough i'm about to do some hyper-exciting musepack debugging
22:58:25Bagderpeople pretend they have lifes
22:58:34preglowyou might catch some developer related whining in about half an hour
22:58:37CassandraWhat's the minimum number of greyscale 'colours' we have to work with?
22:59:02tucoz2?
22:59:12Moospreglow: hi, w00t :)
22:59:20CassandraI meant in stuff that uses the greyscale library, sorry.
22:59:23tucozlightgray, darkgray, black and no-color?
22:59:41tucozI see.
22:59:50preglowi believe the grayscale lib operates with 33 colours on all platforms
22:59:57preglowi _think_ that's the case, at lteast
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23:00:12tucozpreglow, I do not think so. I think mandelbrot only uses 8 or so
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23:00:38tucozI think amiconn said that a while ago
23:02:21preglowwell, yeah, but she asked how many she could count on having, i think
23:02:40tucoz" What's the minimum number of greyscale 'colours' we have to work with?"
23:02:51preglow*shrug*
23:02:54tucozminimum was the key here I think?
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23:05:57preglowwell
23:05:58preglowminimum is 1
23:06:01preglowif you really want to
23:06:04tucozok, mandelbrot uses 9 shades
23:07:18tucozsorry preglow and Cassandra. I see now what you mean.
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23:21:36CassandraWow - I killed my gimp. Impressive.
23:23:57lamed_quote |<preglow> you might catch some developer related whining in about half an hour|
23:24:00lamed_you called?
23:25:52lamed_<preglow> amiconn: i was just meaning there's no poing in initialising the variables with default values, since the settings system will initialise them anyway | I agree. it can only mislead someone to think this really was the place to change default value. it mislead me, but it just was too boaring to even notice until reading up on global_settings.
23:26:30preglowyeah, and it wastes some code
23:26:44lamed_tiny fragile, but sure.
23:27:09preglowbut btw
23:27:09lamed_could i offer any help with desciphering my code?
23:27:21preglowit _might_ be done this way to supress gcc warnings
23:27:32preglowof the type "variable xxx might be used uninitialised in this function"
23:27:47preglowgcc can't tell that settings will always be parsed first
23:27:50lamed_nah, should it say that?
23:27:56preglowyeah, i think it would
23:27:58preglowfeel free to try it
23:28:10lamed_can't.. don't have the dev pack here.
23:28:41preglowmy tree is a bit broken at the moment, so has to wait before i can try it
23:29:04lamed_(acctually i do have it, i've got cygwin installed on the player and the setup.bat hacked to always install the registry values - meaning i can work from it.)
23:30:12preglowthat's pretty clever
23:30:45lamed_grin
23:31:59lamed_regarding to " <_FireFly_> with cvs simply cvs diff -u ><your-patch>.patch " - I really _do_ think i should start that wiki dev tip page. took me a long time to get to the simplest command of " cvs update -dP &> cvsupdate " to see exactly what the hell just happend...
23:32:28*Bagder reads commit mails for that
23:32:35linuxstblamed_: Doesn't cygwin have a scrollbar ?
23:33:26lamed_linuxstb: it's like 3-4 lines more then the view. there's a way to define higher "max_line" integer, but i don't remember how.
23:34:44lamed_and anyways you steel need the cvs update in a seperate file, to go through all the C's and make sure of the M's in the right files...
23:34:59lamed_still
23:35:04BagderI never do
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23:35:36lamedbagder - do you update through cvs? with some changes of your own installed?
23:35:57Bagderno, I've been living in a box
23:36:19lamedhow's that been working out for you?
23:36:20*Bagder <= Rockbox dev since day 1
23:36:21preglowhahah
23:36:26preglowi never do either
23:36:37preglowmy whole rockbox tree is so full of Ms i don't know what to do
23:36:44linuxstbhehe
23:36:48Bagderit works fine, thanks
23:36:59Bagderwhy would I need to have control of them?
23:37:01lamedMs are ok... the Cs are the problem...
23:37:08preglowyou notice the Cs fast enough
23:37:14Bagderoh yes
23:37:22lamedwhen you MAKE maybe.
23:37:26preglowyes, exactly
23:37:37preglowand then you get a line number too!
23:37:41Bagderbut then I do have a little 'cvscheck' script that tells me the status of all (modified) files
23:37:42lamedhehehehe
23:38:05Bagderperhaps I should share that
23:38:11lamedshare.
23:38:40 Part LinusN
23:38:55Bagdertry this => http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/cvscheck
23:38:57lamedcvs check | something something GREP | something ?
23:39:17Bagderyes, like that but slightly nicer
23:39:50lamedbagder = daniel? - well, you learn something new everyday they say
23:39:58Bagderyeps, me Daniel
23:40:17Bagderthat's why my real name field says so ;-)
23:40:39lamed(i know absolultly nothing about scripts, perls(...), and how they work.
23:40:51*preglow hugs perl
23:40:54preglownicest language there is
23:41:25Bagderlamed: then you have some fine areas yet to learn
23:41:38preglowBagder: nice script, that
23:41:48BagderI use it all the time, all over
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23:42:35lamed_bagder: it was pretty weird going through your home family pictures i most say.
23:42:46Bagderhaha
23:43:04Bagderwell, for people who don't know me they most likely aren't very interesting
23:43:39lamed_it acctually was. "here's the man that saved my player from grey sad slow death".
23:43:45preglowhaha
23:43:51preglowthere are a bunch of rockbox familiars features
23:43:54preglowat least three of them :P
23:43:58lamed_(player lcd is still pretty grey though)
23:44:00preglowfeatured, even
23:44:29lamed_preglow: ?
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23:45:45lamed(there's a stupid key on the keyboard i'm corrently working on, that if i press on it, it 'goes back one page'... located in a very often used place...
23:46:31Bagderhehe
23:47:04linuxstbpreglow: There is no urgency, but can you do a quick test of this new version of lcd-ipod.c on your Nano at some point: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/lcd-ipod.c
23:47:04lamedpreglow: will you care to re-explain... it's not rare i can't understand's someone else's english... (yes i know i'm not that clear when i talk)
23:47:24linuxstbpreglow: It should work the same for you, but fixes the problems I've been having with my LCD.
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23:47:39preglowlinuxstb: sure, i can do it now
23:47:49preglowlinuxstb: as long as i'm not patching the bootloader, windows seems to work ok
23:47:54lamedbagder: what kde do u use?
23:48:02Bagderlamed: I think he meant that you can spot Bjrn and Linus on the pics too
23:48:11BagderI don't use kde, I use gnome
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23:48:43preglowbtw, am i the only one who thinks firefox in gnome is _exceedingly_ slow?
23:48:43lamedwho else got a question mark instead of bj - "?" - rn ....
23:48:44Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_761.html
23:48:59preglowhahaha
23:49:00Bagderlamed: oh, Bjorn with two dots over the o
23:49:03Bagder;-)
23:49:14lamedyeah i know...
23:49:27lamedthat's because of the new cgiirc
23:49:45lamedi'd love to have one of those shirts...
23:50:00preglowa bunch of archoses and beer, does it get any better
23:50:07preglowthe answer turns out to be no!
23:50:13Bagder:-)
23:50:44preglowthere's even decent beer there
23:50:49lameddenial, you'r the guy on the right. i can tell by the head shape. (!)
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23:51:21Bagderyes, from left: Bjorn, Linus and me
23:51:36preglowoooh, they've got spitfire
23:51:49Bagderits a nice pub
23:51:59Bagderpreglow: when you come over, we'll go there ;-)
23:52:08lamedi thought bjorn and linus are the same guy... whoop.
23:52:32Bagderheh
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23:53:11lamedwhat's bjorn's nickname?
23:53:15BagderZagor
23:53:30preglownils oscar kalasl!
23:53:39lamedhe's less of a talker isn't he?
23:53:43*preglow laments the poor state of pubs in norway
23:53:58Bagderlamed: he's been sort of idling the last year or so
23:54:28Bagderbut he's watching
23:54:41Bagderand he is the allmight Original Code Police
23:54:45lamedh300 users around the world waiting nervously for his return...
23:54:59preglowhe hasn't even got one
23:55:29Bagderwell, h300 users gain from developers without h300s too
23:55:37preglowthat they do
23:56:27lamedsec
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23:56:35preglowhttp://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_776.html <- qualifies as happy
23:57:31Bagderrockbox, good beer and friends, what else can you be?
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23:58:23muesli_-some chicks arent that bad either ^^
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