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#rockbox log for 2006-01-02

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00:12:11markunhi mirak
00:12:19markunhappy new year btw :)
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00:20:01markunhotwire, cut it out
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00:22:24mirakmarkun: bonne année !
00:23:04markunbuon anno nuovo anche a te :)
00:23:19markunAny changes to the xvid player?
00:23:27markunOr did you try anything with mpeg2?
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00:26:34mirakno
00:26:47mirakI feel sick by the way :-/
00:27:12mirakmarkun: why iriver went for mpeg4 and not mpeg2 ?
00:27:28mirakif mpeg2 have more chances to run at higher frame rates
00:27:39markundon't know
00:27:43markundid you drink too much?
00:28:18markunHow many fps does the H300 screen have max?
00:28:37mirakyep I drank to much
00:28:54mirakmarkun: don't know
00:29:07mirakthe refresh rate you mean ?
00:29:28mirakthe lcd is 60hz I think I have read
00:29:36mirakin the docs
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00:29:41miraknot sure
00:30:02mirakmaybe you need to pay royalties to decode mpeg2 ?
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00:32:14markunbtw, libmpeg2 had no floats
00:32:26markunhas
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00:32:52MoosHello here !
00:32:58markunHappy new year Moos!
00:33:13MoosHello markun thanks, to you too
00:33:57mirakmarkun: it would be awesome to reach 25fps
00:34:00BHSPitLappyhey
00:34:09BHSPitLappydoes anyone know anything about the ipod port
00:34:19BHSPitLappysomeone said it was broken cause of some optimizations
00:35:15markunYes, the Tremor code doesn't fit in the ipod's IRAM anymore
00:36:23BHSPitLappyis there any way I can go back to before this Tremor code then?
00:36:43BHSPitLappydoes CVS keep older revisions? I'm more used to svn
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00:37:08markunBHSPitLappy: yes, you can go back with cvs, but I don't know the syntax
00:37:29BHSPitLappydo you know what revision the tremor was? or where i could look?
00:38:18markunBHSPitLappy: you can look here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/
00:38:50BHSPitLappywhich packages did the tremor code affect?
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00:40:59mirakmarkun: there is a new xvid release by the way
00:41:04mirakxvid 1.1
00:42:01mirakbye
00:42:04mirakhappy new year
00:42:06mirak:D
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02:29:26lostlogicslow day in rockbox land
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02:44:05BHSPitMonkeysure is
02:46:10saa[b_r]idergood morning everyone
02:46:16Jungti1234hi
02:53:56BHSPitMonkeyhi
02:54:03Jungti1234:)
02:54:12BHSPitMonkeysaa[b_r]ider: i'm trying to figure out how to get a CVS older than 4 days ago
02:54:59saa[b_r]iderwish I knew :) there should be a CVS wiki page which could help you though
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02:55:45aliaskBHSPitMonkey: Is this for the Vorbis update?
02:55:59BHSPitMonkeyi think so
02:56:02BHSPitMonkeyTremor
02:56:31aliaskIf you look at the main page, http://www.rockbox.org/, you can see a list of the files that were changed in the update
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02:56:50aliaskIf you click on the version number, it will take you to a diff page for each of the files.
02:56:52BHSPitMonkey can I just delete the whole Tremor folder?
02:57:02BHSPitMonkeyand the references to it in the codecs makefile
02:57:21aliaskSo build without Tremor?
02:58:14saa[b_r]iderhmm... the CVS guilde doesn't seem to mention anything about accessing stuff older than 4 days
02:59:32saa[b_r]iderBHSPitMonkey: maybe this will help? http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs-doc/help_rootview.html
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03:01:18Jungti1234http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS
03:02:47aliaskArgh, I hate the iRiver firmware... I can't wait till we get the USB/Power insert handling so it will just boot rockbox straight away...
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03:03:25Jungti1234me too
03:03:34saa[b_r]idernext bootloader
03:04:23aliaskIt's prettier, but soooo much slower...
03:04:39Jungti1234You must wait.
03:05:16aliaskYeah. It will be good when it comes though.
03:05:29Jungti1234:)
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03:06:48aliaskWhat's up with hotwire?
03:06:56Jungti1234I want to speak Korean. :'(
03:07:23Jungti1234Or Japanese.
03:07:33aliaskI wish I could understand korean. All I know is ahn young hasaeo
03:07:45Jungti1234:)
03:07:50Jungti1234yes
03:07:53aliaskDo you speak Japanese Jungti?
03:07:59Jungti1234a little.
03:08:11Jungti1234Where are you from?
03:08:20aliaskMe too, but we have to speak English here.
03:08:23aliaskI am from Australia.
03:08:27Jungti1234ah
03:08:35Jungti1234um.
03:09:16Jungti1234I can't but write in Japanese.
03:09:54aliaskテスト
03:10:03Jungti1234heh
03:10:17Jungti1234Can't see.
03:10:23aliaskOh... :(
03:10:44aliaskI can see it. So I can have a conversation by myself.
03:11:41Jungti1234yes
03:12:13Jungti1234˪.
03:12:44Jungti1234Can you see?
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03:14:14BHSPitMonkeynope
03:14:23Jungti1234hehe
03:14:23aliaskNope
03:14:41BHSPitMonkeyyou're not sending the right uhh, what's it called
03:14:57BHSPitMonkeyghdhgfghndfjm
03:14:58Jungti1234'hello'
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03:15:15BHSPitMonkey?hddfghdfg'
03:15:21Jungti1234-_-;
03:15:23BHSPitMonkeyheh
03:15:56Jungti1234Korean is easy more than Japanese.
03:16:07aliaskYes, I think I am going to start to learn Korean
03:16:14aliaskNo difficult Kanji to remember...
03:16:28Jungti1234Japanese uses Chinese character.
03:16:53Jungti1234Chinese character is very much. hahaha
03:17:53Jungti1234So, China is much illiteracies.
03:18:41aliaskhttp://langintro.com/kintro/cons1a.htm
03:18:55Jungti1234hehe
03:19:16Jungti1234You know korea.net?
03:19:28aliaskNope
03:19:40Jungti1234http://www.korea.net/korea/kor_loca.asp?code=A020302
03:20:16Jungti1234http://www.korea.net/korea/kor_loca.asp?code=A020303 and http://www.korea.net/korea/kor_loca.asp?code=A020304
03:20:19aliaskAh, thanks Jungti1234
03:20:26Jungti1234:)
03:21:57aliaskWow, the alphabet is very smart.
03:22:11Jungti1234hehe
03:22:50Jungti1234It's fastest when hit keyboard in Hangul.
03:25:45Jungti1234http://cbingoimage.naver.com/data/bingo_24/imgbingo_22/corkhead/26145/corkhead_6.gif
03:30:09aliaskSo two keys to make a letter?
03:30:25Jungti1234shift
03:32:04Jungti1234http://sstatic.naver.com/100/800/93/28693.jpg
03:32:22Jungti1234http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul
03:32:31Jungti1234hahaha sorry.. ^^;
03:33:31aliask:)
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04:11:20ataxyhey does anybody know what happen to the gigabeat section in the rockbox website
04:11:46Jungti1234http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo
04:16:14ataxy??? thats weird i click on the this link, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus , in the main page and normaly there was alink, unless i was mistaking, at the bottom for the gigabeat page and its not there so i was wondering but i guess i am wrong ... anyway i heard markun still asnt received the open source code from toshiba, i guess it might be a bit longer due to the...
04:16:16ataxy...xmas period
04:16:40Jungti1234?
04:17:14ataxynah its my mistake i was mixing it with this page
04:17:16ataxyhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos
04:17:16saa[b_r]iderataxy: maybe... although Markun has little faith in them sending it to him
04:17:29Jungti1234-_-
04:18:23ataxyyeah i have little to but if they dont ill be please to bring them a formal request here in montreal there office are next to my job
04:18:57Jungti1234 ¥ 㸮
04:19:05ataxyi have ask them to for the source
04:19:32ataxysay what Jungti
04:19:40Jungti1234T.T
04:19:56Jungti1234I am painful waist.
04:20:18ataxyhuh
04:20:37aliaskStomache ache?
04:21:06Jungti1234backache
04:21:29aliaskSit straight in your chair. :)
04:21:56lostlogichttp://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/dice.c
04:22:08ataxyoh thats bad just got back to work after to month and a half out of the work place due to back injury
04:22:46aliaskWhat did you do to it ataxy?
04:23:02Jungti1234ahahah
04:23:14ataxyah i work in a crane factory as a machinist
04:23:17Jungti1234ahpayo
04:23:46ataxylots of heavy steel piece and i made a false move
04:23:57Jungti1234I will come again
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04:24:10aliaskOuch, I guess you're ok now though.
04:24:59ataxyyeah took my pill and i obeyed the doctor order and now i am fine just a bit stiff from the inactivity period
04:25:38aliaskGood to hear
04:25:58ataxythis is where i work http://www.herculessling.com/
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04:29:07ataxyanyway hope something can get out of the gigabeat as it as lots of possibility but it really needs a redesign system
04:29:38ataxyand toshiba dont seem to be doing much with it
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04:59:16aliaskWhat datatype should I use for storing a number with decimal places?
04:59:47aliaskI'd use a float but it doesn't like that.
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05:59:18Jungti1234hmm
05:59:19Jungti1234help
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06:00:00ashridahwhat's up?
06:00:29Jungti1234I want to make like this picture. http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/834/dump00015gr.png
06:00:55Jungti1234So, I tried, but failed.
06:01:12Jungti1234What should I do?
06:01:58Jungti1234I saw the picture here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2164.15
06:02:46Jungti1234Source code downloaded here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1380389
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06:16:59FingerSoupDo I need to install the SH1 stuff to use the simulator?
06:17:57aliaskThe source code is not for changing images, only text I think.
06:18:27aliaskIf you have a pre-compiled version of the simulator you don't need anything like that.
06:18:48aliaskBut to compile the simulator you need a proper build environment.
06:18:53FingerSoupI am compiling the sim every time. Cygwin dev environment...
06:19:30aliaskSo you want to know if you can compile the sim if you don't have the SH1 stuff installed?
06:19:37FingerSoupAs well, do the .rock files I make for a sim target work on the real system?
06:19:52FingerSoupyes
06:20:27aliask#1: Not sure. If you're making a sim for a archos target, then probably, but for iRiver I'm not sure
06:20:35Paul_The_NerdThe .rock files need to be made for the actual target.
06:20:38aliask#2: I don't think so
06:20:43FingerSoupok, I thought so....
06:21:05Paul_The_NerdThe SH1 stuff is for making code for the actual archos targets. I don't *think* it should be needed for sims.
06:21:15Paul_The_NerdNot making code, but compiling code rather.
06:21:23FingerSoupOK, thanks...
06:21:40Paul_The_NerdAnd of course, the coldfire versions for iRiver and the ARM version for iPod, etc.
06:21:41aliaskJungti1234: The source code for the WPS patch is for chaning text only I think, but the picture changes images.
06:22:39aliaskActually, never mind, it does change bitmaps as well.
06:22:42FingerSoupOK, so if I want to test a plugin for other players than IRiver, I do not need the ARM/SH1 Packages....
06:23:11FingerSoupproviding I'm only testing on the sims
06:23:44FingerSoupSpeaking of whiich - Which sims are best right now - Win32 or X11, or does it depend on the target?
06:24:00Jungti1234aliask: What meaning is it?
06:24:38aliaskSorry, I don't know. I haven't used the patch.
06:24:46FingerSoupie: I know the X11 Sims of IRiver H3xx couldn't display properly....
06:25:01FingerSoupthat was a month ago tho...
06:25:11Jungti1234^^;
06:27:02RotAtoRFingerSoup: Win32 is definitely better using the sims right now
06:27:30RotAtoRlike you said, the x11 sim doesn't support color properly yet
06:27:59Paul_The_NerdFingersoup: Testing on the sims doesn't tell you too much other than how it'll look though. things canl work in the sims, but not on target, or vice versa.
06:29:38FingerSoupok, so if I have a plugin that works on the sims (ie: a game), but I don't own every single platform rockbox supports, what are the odds that my plugin will work on the actual player, if it works in the sim?
06:29:53FingerSouperr, on the sim and in my iRiver...
06:33:58RotAtoRthe only way you'll know for sure if it works is to have it tested on each device ;)
06:41:28Jungti1234I have one question again.
06:42:14Jungti1234Doesn't fwpatcher work in windows 98?
06:45:50Paul_The_NerdFingersoup: Yeah, you do your best, you try it on any hardware devices you've got, then you ask other people to try it for you. For example, I've got an H120 and a Nano to test on, and I'm sure others around wouldn't mind testing various things either.
06:47:27FingerSoupok, well, I finally got it to compile for my IRiver, and it crashes whereas the sim doesn't.... grr.. More debugging.... :(
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06:51:12FingerSoupahh, the m68k is picky about int func(void) vice int func()....
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06:53:15FingerSoupor not.... Is there an error list posted somewhere?
06:53:41FingerSoupI04:IlInstr at 32f4000
06:53:51FingerSoupany ideas?
06:58:06ashridahthat's basically saying that the illegal instruction interrupt vector got tripped at that address
06:59:05FingerSouphrm... my personal compile of rockbox is crashing on my iRiver when I playback..... Interesting....
06:59:53ashridahthere should be a map of addresses in the compiled tree of rockbox that might give you an idea what function that address is in, but how the PC got there is another matter
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07:00:54FingerSoupI get similar crashes every time I do anything within rockbox, re: playback, or plugin loading.... I think I botched my rockbox sources...
07:02:18ashridahsounds plausible
07:02:22ashridahget cvs to give you a diff
07:02:29ashridahshould help you narrow it down
07:02:57FingerSoupAhh, updating my .rockbox directory without updating my rockbox.iriver file... heh.... that'll do it.... :P
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07:14:52FingerSoupok, CVS Command to produce a diff showing all my changes?
07:16:34FingerSoupahh, wait, think I found it...
07:28:09FingerSouphrm... no changes, except adding my plugin to the SOURCES file.... Dev environment may be borked?
07:34:55ashridahtry using 'make clean' and rebuilding
07:35:17ashridahthere's some dependency issues that the rockbox build system doesn't deal with properly, so some things don't get rebuilt when they should
07:43:24FingerSoupI've been doing that. I just updated my cygwin build environment to the latest tools because some codecs weren't compiling.... I think that's where I borked it...
07:44:18FingerSoupevery time, before I change my configuration (sim, CVS Update, etc) I make clean...
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07:48:52FingerSoupNow rockbox isn't getting past the boot logo...
07:48:56FingerSoupgrr...
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07:51:06FingerSoupwiping my cygwin clean.... grr...
07:56:08BHSPitLappyyeah
07:56:13BHSPitLappyit gets grungy when you leave it out
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08:21:01FingerSoupaha! The pre-built dev environment works well :)
08:26:49Paul_The_NerdThe pre built dev environment never seemed to like me.
08:28:39FingerSoupCygwin was throwing up on me.... Gave me unusable compiles.... My plugin is now working quite nicely on my h120.... Now I can start cross-platforming it....
08:29:57Paul_The_NerdThe dev environment is just cygwin with the appropriate packages already downloaded, though.
08:30:27*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
08:30:32Paul_The_NerdIt seems to work for everyone but me, I guess.
08:30:47Paul_The_NerdBut then, Cygwin works fine for me.
08:30:52FingerSoupoh well. I didn't want to hand-build the cross compilers....
08:31:14FingerSouptoo much work, seeing this is the only reason I use cygwin...
08:32:53Paul_The_NerdAh well. I preferred to hand build it anyway. I like to know where everything is, and so on.
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12:00:02Bagdervery busy today
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12:02:15aliaskPeople coming and going like crazy.
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12:33:22Membrilloany ipod devs here? or anyone ipod knowledgable?
12:34:04Membrillohmmm where is linuxstb these days
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12:37:34ashridahpreglow seems to be about
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13:11:05aliaskI hope this silence means everyone is too busy programming to talk.
13:11:30aliaskEven I'm getting my hands dirty and writing something.
13:12:01LinusNgood :-)
13:13:46BHSPitLappy2yay
13:19:04markunaliask: what are you working on?
13:19:33aliaskA properties window. Stuff like filesize, date, and things like that.
13:19:40aliaskI'm mainly doing it to learn C.
13:19:46markunAh, that would be very nice
13:19:59markunCan you also make it to work on dirs too?
13:20:07markunSee the total size and number of files
13:20:36aliaskMaybe... but I'm starting simple and already having a hard time debugging it.
13:20:46BHSPitLappy2recursion can be difficult
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13:22:57aliaskThere's already a plugin which probably has most of the code I need in CVS (for recursion)
13:23:04aliaskCalled stats or something.
13:24:04markunMaybe the file size can be saved in the dircache to make it really fast
13:29:21Slasheridircache has all that info
13:29:37markunok, cool
13:31:30Slasherione just needs to make sure to use opendir_cached, readdir_cached, closedir_cached and DIRCACHED instead of the uncached versions. No other checks are needed
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13:33:18Bagderso all code needs to be changed to use the cache?
13:33:30*Bagder thought it was transparant
13:34:02Slasheriyes, it is. But it will not override the uncached versions
13:34:28Bagderthen it isn't transparent
13:34:43Bagdersince readdir() etc are the functions for reading dirs
13:34:54Slasherigenerally it should be ok to just use the cached versions of the function calls always
13:35:16Bagderexcept that they are not posix and not what people are used to nor expect
13:35:21LinusNwe should do it the other way
13:35:26BagderI agree
13:35:28LinusNopendir_noncached()
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13:35:48Slasherihmm, interesting
13:36:15Slasheriit should be trivial to switch that behaviour
13:36:41Slasheriit shouldn't break anything, but that needs to be tried
13:36:50LinusNchicken! ;-)
13:36:55Slasheri:)
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13:41:40markunWhat do you guys think of a Gigabeat section in the rockbox forum?
13:42:29Bagdersure, I don't mind
13:42:54Bagderthere's no ipod section either
13:43:45markunI don't care about an ipod section :)
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13:44:40markunShould I ask Jeff if I want a Gigabeat section added?
13:46:29LinusNyes
13:46:57Bagder... and an ipod one...
13:47:28LinusNjeff is currently at his parents house
13:47:31Moosand one X5 one... :)
13:47:45Bagderseems fair, yes
13:48:09Bagderor rather "iAudio"
13:48:15Moosyeah
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13:50:33Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CaseModding
13:52:12saa[b_r]iderso cool with the black case!
13:52:19aliaskToo much free time :)
13:53:08markunshould the gigabeat, ipod and iaudio sections be split like the iriver and archos sections?
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14:07:52Bagderimho, they are split in too many sections
14:08:56markunThe ipod section would becode a mess with all the different generations
14:09:13Bagderthose subsections are mostly pointless
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14:10:58saa[b_r]iderwell if there are enough differences between two certain players, they should each get a seperate section, so the posts stay organized and it becomes easy to follow the posts
14:11:38BagderI disagree
14:11:45saa[b_r]idereg. if there was only one iRiver section, H1XX users will be bored by the number of posts about the color LCD
14:12:05Bagderyes, but only a small minority of all posts concern actual hw differences
14:13:18saa[b_r]iderwith iPod, there will be differences with the buttons as well, should there be a port to 3rd gen iPods and earlier...
14:13:31Bagderyes
14:13:50Bagderbut as can be seen already, generic rockbox posts are already (mis)posted in various subsections
14:14:28Bagderbut I don't know what the solution to that is...
14:14:47saa[b_r]iderunfortunately that's true, but that's the mistake of the poster. and I do understand how that makes it tiersome (SP?) for developers to keep track
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14:15:50BagderI think for developers it isn't that hard, as we tend to read all subsections, but it is probably worse for users since many users are likely to just read sections dedicated to their own particular player model
14:16:22FebsJust counting the first 10 posts in the h100 forum, 2 relate to optical in/out (h100 only), and 1 relates to Bejeweled for the h100. The other 7 are issues that relate to both platforms.
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14:17:01FebsBoth h100 and h300 owners would benefit from having those 7 threads in one forum.
14:17:39saa[b_r]iderso what do you guys propose? just have one section per brand? or just one RB forum?
14:18:19BagderI honestly don't know ;-)
14:19:38ataxyjust have one section per brand
14:19:45Lynx_when the h3x0 is in usb mode, and i copy some files, will it use usb power also, or only battery?
14:19:54FebsOnly battery.
14:20:06Lynx_ok, thought so.
14:21:09saa[b_r]iderhehehe :) well I've personaly done the mistake of putting a post about RB's Unicode support when it first came out in the H300 RB section at MR (cause I own an H340), and febs helped move it to the RB general section
14:21:31saa[b_r]iderso it's bound to happen (I'm more careful now!)
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14:22:04saa[b_r]idermaybe we should have the MR mods moderate the RB forums :) febs?
14:22:34Moosis it already the case (Jeff)
14:22:55BagderJeff doesn't moderade the RB forums much, afaihs
14:23:59FebsI'd be happy to do it if Jeff gives me the rights.
14:24:12Mooswee !
14:24:16saa[b_r]ideryeah. Jeff isn't around as often as the MR mods, hence the delay that happened when the RB forums went down
14:26:09Bagderactually that wasn't the reason
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14:26:31aliaskGah, I've had enough of variables not doing what they're told. G'night everyone.
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14:27:01qwisp11night
14:27:08saa[b_r]iderhmm... by ANY chance, could it be possible to merge the "MR.net" iriver RB forums with the "rb.org" iriver iRiver RB forums, since they're on the same server anyway, yet still exist on both sites?
14:27:47saa[b_r]iderBadger: there was an unannounced change in IPs or something... right?
14:27:55Bagderyes
14:28:07Bagderbut Jeff had no idea and was away at the time
14:28:51saa[b_r]ideryeah... exactly, that's what I ment. other than him not being informed, he wasn't around to begin with to find out about the issue
14:31:06Bagdercoffee!
14:31:23muesli-no live before coffee...
14:31:34saa[b_r]iderhow ironic, something is wrong with the MR forums :) I must've upset the server gods!
14:31:37*Febs is on his third cup of the morning.
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14:32:23muesli-wohoo...i would get insane with 3 cups
14:33:03saa[b_r]iderever have a 5 shot espresso? :)
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14:33:30Jungti1234hi
14:34:42qwisp11the futurama where fry drinks 100 cups and everything goes slow mo was on earlier.
14:34:55saa[b_r]idergood evening jungti :)
14:35:02Jungti1234:)
14:35:06Jungti1234http://rapidshare.de/files/10252745/1.swf.html
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14:36:18saa[b_r]iderqwisp: any idea which season/episode that was? cartoons/shows about coffee tend to be quite funny! have you seen dextor drinking coffee in dextor's lab? :)
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14:37:04qwisp11saa[b_r]ider: I'll see if I can find out hang on a mo. and no I havn't seen that one.
14:38:20saa[b_r]iderif any of you watch anime as well, there's a hellarious episode of shin chan drinking coffee (crayon to north americans)
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14:39:50markunCan someone ban hotwire?
14:40:44saa[b_r]iderit was worse more than 12 hours ago
14:40:45Bagderwhy?
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14:41:26saa[b_r]iderhe's been connecting and disconnecting a million times
14:41:27qwisp11saa[b_r]ider: season 5 episode 11: Three Hundred Big Boys
14:41:43qwisp11was that me? sorry if it was
14:41:43saa[b_r]iderawesome, thanks qwisp :)
14:41:55saa[b_r]iderhahaha, no hotwire
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14:42:00qwisp11ok
14:42:31saa[b_r]iderjust happened to happen instantly after you ;)
14:44:05qwisp11does anyone know where I should put .patch files to make them work?
14:44:44Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
14:45:18qwisp11I knew it would be on there somewhere but my search gave no results
14:45:36saa[b_r]iderif it was made properly, it should work fine if it was placed in the same place where the source is...
14:46:46Jungti1234hotwire.. -_-;
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15:06:38kurzhaarrockeramiconn: I dropped the hd-activity-led behaviour during recording because a blinking led now displays the trigger mode.
15:07:06kurzhaarrockerThat combined with hd activity was very confusing
15:08:14amiconnI'd rather drop the recording LED control completely and use the LED for disk activity alone
15:08:26kurzhaarrockerWhat use is that for?
15:08:47kurzhaarrockerIt is so useful to be able to see whether the device is recording or not from the distance
15:08:53kurzhaarrockerWho cares about hd activity
15:08:56amiconnme
15:09:06kurzhaarrockerIts just a geeky nice to have feature with no _relevant_ use
15:09:20kurzhaarrockerTo know whether the trigger works or not _is_ relevant.
15:09:54amiconnYes, but (1) there's an icon for this and (2) not all targets have a sw controllable LED
15:10:16kurzhaarrockerYou cannot see the icon from the distance. -> make an icon for hd activity.
15:10:26amiconnOn iriver, the red LED _always_ indicates disk activity (hard wired), and the Ondio has no LED at all
15:10:56kurzhaarrockerIs that a reason to discard a valuable feature on a target where it can be impmelented?
15:11:08amiconnYou cannot see the LED from the distance either, if the environment is too bright
15:11:34kurzhaarrockerBut then you can't see it on the lcd either.
15:12:15kurzhaarrockerI consider recording / trigger state as very much more valuable than hd activity
15:13:22kurzhaarrockerWhen you can see from the distance that the trigger doesn't behave as supposed to you have to do something with it. Hd activity doesn't indicate anything which requires user activity
15:13:44LinusNi'm with kurzhaarrocker on this one
15:15:05LinusNi believe it's a valuable feature
15:15:30kurzhaarrockerI use it during every practice session of my band.
15:16:45amiconnI seldomly record, and practically never use the trigger
15:16:58amiconn...because the only trigger mode of some value isn't available
15:17:06amiconn*some value for me
15:17:15kurzhaarrockerGuitarmen are noisy. Now I can tell them to shut up until the led stops flashing. On soft intros I can see wether the trigger threshold is too low.
15:17:29kurzhaarrockerAh, yes, the dictatphone mode *blush*
15:17:35amiconnyup
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16:19:09preglowi went from -10C to 0C today :///
16:19:11preglowthis city sucks
16:21:33Rickheh
16:22:52saa[b_r]iderpreglow, where are you?
16:23:12saa[b_r]ideras in, in which city are you
16:23:15preglowtrondheim
16:23:58saa[b_r]idernorway.. thank you google :)
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16:27:15mikearthurhey guys
16:27:22mikearthurwondering if its a hardware problem or software
16:27:42mikearthurI get a really loud pop when I turn on my iRiver, when using the remote headphone jack
16:27:54mikearthurbut when I put the headphones in line in, no problem
16:30:10preglowi hope you mean line out
16:31:46*Bagder giggles:
16:32:10Bagder"WMA decoder is in place from the vendor that Neuros works with, while Neuros needs a license from Microsoft, thus no 'open source' on this part"
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16:33:58lokkihello everybody
16:34:02Bagdernow that'll be a fun GPL trap
16:34:10lokkihappy new year...
16:35:14preglowhahaha
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16:35:32preglowwhy do they bother
16:36:29lokkii have a suggestion on ac_power connects/disconnects: why not load a different config file for each "state"
16:36:47lokkimuch like on a laptop
16:37:22lokkiwhat do you think?
16:37:44Bagderwould be cool
16:38:43amiconnA disk access just because I plug/unplug the charger?
16:38:50amiconnNot a good idea imho
16:39:09lokkithat way you could adjust everything (not only lcd backlight etc.) depending on plug/unplug
16:39:28lokkiamiconn: true
16:40:55amiconnIt might be useful in some cases though. Should be an option by itself
16:42:16lokkiyeah... then you turn off that option with the plug, because you have unselected it in your config for plugged_in :-)
16:42:27Slasherii think that is a very good idea. In fact, option shouldn't be necessary if we check at boot time whether some hard-codec config files exists for that
16:43:02lokkislasheri: still a disk access
16:43:41amiconnDisk access at boot time extends boot time
16:43:48Slasherihehe, yes.. :D
16:44:14amiconn...and boot time is always too long unless someone manages to get it <1 sec
16:44:27lokkiright :-)
16:44:44lokkiis this hard to implement?
16:44:56lokkii mean the option for a different config file
16:45:07lokkion plug/unplug
16:45:53amiconnIt doesn't really fit into the current settings system
16:46:29lokkiyou wouldn't know where to put it?
16:50:13amiconnThe current systems doesn't use a file for the active settings
16:50:19amiconn*system
16:50:47lokkiah ok., it stores the values on the hd in a hidden sector right?
16:52:59lokkihmm, and if we enable more options with a "switch" (for me optical out and idle poweroff are important)
16:53:16Jungti1234saa[b_r]ider?
16:54:22Slasheriamiconn: using a config file selection for that, would mean there wouldn't be no longer need for specific settings when running from ac. From example backlight settings with charger and without it
16:54:34Slasheriargh typos
16:55:47saa[b_r]ideryeah
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17:04:26Bagder"No, I don't see a conflict of using GPLed code/codec."
17:04:51Bagder (Neuros again)
17:08:51preglowwell
17:08:56preglowit depends on how they do it
17:09:14Bagderyes, and how strict you read the license
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17:09:37Bagderaccording to FSF, loading a plugin run-time is also linking
17:10:14preglowwell, if it's a question of interpretation, they're pretty much clear to do what they want
17:10:27preglowi don't exactly think it'll be clarified in court any time soon
17:10:31Bagderlicenses are always interpreted
17:11:10preglowyeah, but not all parts of them can be interpreted so differently
17:12:40Bagdermost of them are actually
17:12:47Bagderbut "linking" certainly is a vague term
17:15:59preglowbut yeah
17:16:01Bagder"If the program dynamically links plug-ins, and they make function calls to each other and share data structures, we believe they form a single program, which must be treated as an extension of both the main program and the plug-ins. This means the plug-ins must be released under the GPL or a GPL-compatible free software license, and that the terms of the GPL must be followed when those plug-ins are distributed."
17:16:02preglowlinux does this already
17:16:04preglowand no one cares
17:16:08preglowno one but fsf, that is
17:16:12Bagderwell, that's because Linus doesn't care
17:16:17BagderTorvalds
17:16:36Bagderall violations are ok as long as the copyright holder thinks it is ok
17:17:13Bagder(that quote is from FSF's GPL FAQ)
17:17:46saa[b_r]idergood night everyone
17:19:15preglowanyone know what state the sdl sim is in, btw?
17:19:31Bagderhaven't tried it, but it is claimed to work
17:21:06Bagderdinner time!
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17:56:23Jungti1234hey saa[b_r]ider
17:56:38Jungti1234are you sleep?
17:56:52Jungti1234sleep -> sleeping
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20:16:43mirakhi
20:17:53markunnow I'm here..
20:17:58markunhi mirak
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20:22:33markunI think I found the place on the PCB of the Gigabeat that connects to the UART
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21:20:40markunlostlogi1: do you plan to do more Tremor optimisations?
21:24:02Matzeaeh sorry that i'm asking this nuub question, but what is tremor?
21:24:25Matze(a 2-word-explanation would be enough, i'm very fit in technical things)
21:25:07LearVorbis decoder.
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21:45:50Pii have been trying to make a global setting for colours
21:45:58PiI think I need to change a line in lcd-16bit. But settings.h is not recognised when I try to compile. Any ideas
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21:50:04Matzethere is already a plugin which changes that
21:50:10Matzesee misticriver rockbox h300 forum
21:50:15Matzewww.misticriver.net
21:50:22Piyes but it changes back
21:50:34Papricamm
21:50:47Pii am trying to get the color change to be more permerment
21:50:53Matzeu could add settingsafing
21:50:54Papricatry to find the fucndtion that save the things
21:52:27Pii think the line that resets the colours to defalt is 41&42 in lcd-16bit.c
21:52:55preglowwe should extend the theming system to specify the colours as well
21:53:02preglowthat's where they belong, if you ask me
21:53:21preglowbut then again, i don'
21:53:26preglowbut then again, i don't really know what i'm taling about
21:53:29preglowtalking, even
21:54:10PapricaPi, the colors are didnt save, so first, you need to save them
21:54:41Matzei told him ^^
21:54:47Pii created global_settings.fg and .bg
21:55:17Papricamm ok and it save the settings?
21:56:29Pithe colours are saved, but there is nowhare (yet) that says SET_LCD_FG(global_settings.fg)
21:56:56Pii am trying to get it in the right place
21:58:27Pisorry lcd_set_foreground(global_settings.fg)
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22:00:05muesli__pi could you please turn off bold letters ?
22:00:17Piis that better?
22:00:24Pisorry
22:00:34muesli__;)
22:00:42muesli__no worries m8
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22:02:04PapricaPi,rockbox\firmware\export
22:02:07Papricalcd.h
22:02:14Papricalines
22:02:19Paprica166-167
22:02:25Paprica#define LCD_DEFAULT_FG LCD_BLACK
22:02:25Paprica#define LCD_DEFAULT_BG LCD_RGBPACK(182, 198, 229) /* rockbox blue */
22:03:30Pithat is defining the defaults, i think it would be best to leve the defaults there
22:03:44Papricamm
22:03:48Papricawhat you want
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22:05:19PiI will try changing the defalts then
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23:30:13nico_hi
23:30:57Bagderhi
23:35:49nico_i see the schematics of the iRiver H120 and it seems to me that some parts are not on schematics
23:36:22Bagderit certainly wouldn't surprise me
23:36:33nico_there is not the power supply and the connection with battery, the keys ...
23:36:49Bagderfeel free to provide your updates
23:37:17nico_i don't really want to explode my player ...
23:38:53nico_i am surprise beacause it is probably less hard than the connection of the dsp ...
23:39:48nico_is there electronical peaople on this chat ?
23:40:11Bagderon and off, yes
23:40:28Bagderlinusn made the schematics and he's around regularly
23:40:29nico_i like binary man
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23:41:08nico_ok, this man have done a big work on rockbox !
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23:43:16Paul_The_NerdAren't the scans of the internals and such more along the lines of "Things we need to program drivers for" than "everything inside the player"?
23:44:25Bagderthe scans are mostly used to detect what circuits that are used
23:45:43Paul_The_NerdGotcha
23:46:13Bagderthe schematics are made by "beeping" the PCB with all circuits removed and similar
23:49:23Paul_The_NerdAh
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