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#rockbox log for 2006-01-14

00:07:03kernelsenseiit is possible to change the background color in a wps ?
00:10:47linuxstbNot unless you patch Rockbox.
00:12:18kernelsenseiah
00:13:15*petur points to H300 optimized build on MR
00:14:39lostlogicLinusN: (since you may have looked at it before this) there is a new AB repeat patch up on SF which is seemless, and wastes far fewer processor cycles when inactive.
00:18:51peturwe need more H1xx/H3xx devs with CVS commit access :/ hope amiconn has his H300 soon...
00:20:14 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]")
00:20:55peturwell I'm off... later!
00:20:59 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:22:50lostlogichard to grant CVS access (I'd think) when a stray commit to the pcf50606 (or equiv) code could literally brick people's players.
00:23:02 Part SteL
00:26:27 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
00:30:36preglowneed to be careful, at least
00:32:28lostlogicyes. I lack caution. Submitting patches to a core group makes a lot of sense... I mean it sure works well for the linux kernel.
00:35:24preglowhaha
00:35:29preglownot all stuff needs caution
00:36:11preglowi'm pretty comfortable on that side of things
00:37:43lostlogicpreglow: trunuf −− would it be possible to give several more people commit permissions only in the apps module or the plugins or the codecs or something?
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00:41:55 Quit vger_ ("[BX] Amount of time you people were funny: -49 minutes 49 seconds")
00:45:32linuxstblostlogic: I don't think that's possible with CVS.
00:46:48preglowand i don't think that's an issue anyway
00:47:02linuxstbI agree
00:47:14 Quit akaidiot ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
00:47:15preglowif we don't trust you not to tamper with stuff you have no idea about, we don't give you commit access
00:48:13preglowthat's one of the criteria i'd have anyway
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00:50:27MmmmIs LinusN about?
00:51:15ashridahit's like about 1-2am where he is
00:51:33Mmmmbeen trying to catch him all evening....
00:51:45preglowwhat's up?
00:52:20Mmmmhe was asking me about the metronome plugin and I made a patch for him to look at.
00:53:42MmmmHe must be taking a well earned evening off! :)
00:54:34preglowhehe
01:00
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01:03:19BHSPitMonkeyMmmm: is it his plugin?
01:04:13Mmmmit's mine, shebbs,his and possibly amiconns too!
01:05:00Mmmmbit of a mongrel! :)
01:06:18LinusNMmmm: i think you should use a better name for the acceleration variable
01:07:19amiconnBHSPitMonkey: $Id: metronome.c,v 1.21 2006/01/12 00:35:49 dave Exp $
01:07:22amiconnCopyright (C) 2004 Matthias Wientapper
01:07:33LinusNwasn't the pcm_stop_playback() fix supposed to be in that patch as well?
01:07:42Mmmmooh.. hello there. You think it's a good idea though? what name do you suggest?
01:07:52amiconnOf course it was extended since then
01:08:00BHSPitMonkeyamiconn: i'm not a rockbox user, so i wouldn't know :P
01:08:13BHSPitMonkeyI am a metronome user, however XD
01:08:27LinusNMmmm: "bpm_acceleration" or something?
01:08:42MmmmLinus:the fix was in but i took it out as it was being wierd seemed to work then on a restart of the player didnt work! :S
01:08:50BHSPitMonkeyaccelerando
01:09:05BHSPitMonkey:D
01:09:16LinusNMmmm: ok
01:09:37LinusNi really don't like the coding style in that file...
01:09:40BHSPitMonkeyI'd love to be able to compose on the ipod
01:09:46BHSPitMonkeysort of like on some phones
01:09:46LinusNnot your fault, though
01:09:51Mmmm:)
01:10:23Papricammm the "make" files, make with some software>
01:10:24Paprica?
01:10:34BHSPitMonkeyPaprica: ?
01:10:35 Quit ender` (" Smoking is one of the leading causes of statistics.")
01:10:41Papricayes
01:10:45BHSPitMonkeyyou need to have make installed to use Makefiles...
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01:11:15BHSPitMonkeywhich is a standard tool
01:11:36MmmmLinus: what do you reckon it is with the pcm_play_stop ?
01:11:59Papricai want to know how can i make then
01:12:00Papricam
01:12:10LinusNMmmm: what was the problem?
01:12:24Papricai want that some files go to some folder in rockbox compile
01:12:39Papricahow can i do that
01:12:51LinusNedit the makefile
01:13:12MmmmLinusN: it doesnt work! when you start the plugin with sound playing it continues playing and then goes mad when you playtock
01:13:19Papricai try to do it
01:13:27LinusNMmmm: ah yes
01:13:34Papricabut it doesnt work
01:14:10MmmmLinus: I tried everything I could think of (which doesn't amout to much really :) ) but couldn't fix it!
01:14:34LinusNMmmm: use rb->audio_stop();
01:15:06MmmmI kept thinking i had fixed it but then when I rebooted the next day the problem was back! wierd eh? I'll give audio_stop() a go...
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01:20:51 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
01:21:51MmmmLinus: that seems to have done the trick! good one... will that work for the non-sofware codec players too?
01:22:35LinusNno, then you should use rb->mp3_play_stop()
01:22:57LinusNsome day, we will unify those api's...
01:23:33Mmmmok then...shall I put the resulting patch on the tracker or just leave it with you?
01:23:35 Quit Shebb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
01:24:02preglowLinusN: surely, some insane man would have to appear for that task to be done
01:24:27*LinusN looks at amiconn
01:24:55*preglow starts waiting for amiconn to foam at the mouth
01:27:04MmmmLinus by acceleration variable do you mean what I have called i?
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01:29:35NightCatHi All!
01:29:52LinusNMmmm: yes
01:30:08NightCatSome help?
01:30:17NightCatI read this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins for now...
01:30:21LinusNMmmm: by convention, "i" is usually a loop variable, typically an index
01:30:26NightCatWhat next?
01:30:27preglowbut ok, i'm out, later all
01:30:40LinusNcu preglow
01:30:57NightCatbey
01:32:00Mmmmhow about bpm_step_counter ? after all that's what it really is!
01:33:57LinusNsure
01:36:50 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox")
01:38:12NightCatStupid question, but: why I don't see helloworld plugin in rocks folder (on built fw)?
01:38:57NightCat(Sorry I mean "why don't I see"...)
01:39:07NightCatHey, anybody :)
01:39:27MmmmOK, I've updated the patch and uploaded it to the same address as the last, this time the fix is in as well as the bpm acceleration. Shall I just leave it with you then Linus? :)
01:39:54LinusNNightCat: edit apps/plugins/SOURCES
01:40:32NightCatThx :)
01:41:02LinusNMmmm: fine with me
01:43:22MmmmOk then...thanks for all your help Linus!
01:43:28LinusNyou're welcome
01:45:25MmmmOh, just one question... Since you told me what timer_register does all those strange numbers suddenly made sense, only I dont quite understand one thing
01:45:27Mmmm for(i = 0;i < (int)sizeof(sound)/2;i++) {
01:46:05Mmmmwhy the /2 ? surely this would mean that only half the array is loaded into sndbuf ? :s
01:46:33Mmmmso you end up with an array the same size as the original, not double the original!
01:47:06Mmmmobviously I'm wrong as if I remove the /2 it doesn't work but I can't see why!
01:47:50LinusNit should really be sizeof(sound)/sizeof(short), i.e the number of samples in the array
01:48:33LinusNsizeof(short) == 2
01:48:46Mmmmas there are 2 channels!
01:49:02LinusNno, as there are 2 bytes in a short
01:50:14Mmmmheh.. but there are 2 samples because of the two channels
01:50:33LinusNnot in sound[], which is mono
01:51:10LinusNthe loop converts the mono sound[] sample to stereo and puts it in sndbuf[]
01:51:20Mmmmbut in sndbuf after you've doubled up all the entries
01:51:29LinusNyup
01:52:53Mmmmbut say sizeof(sound)==4, then i only goes between 0 and 1 right?
01:53:14Mmmmand so only the first two entries are inserted?
01:54:09LinusNlet's say that sound contains 2 samples
01:54:26LinusNthen sizeof(sound) ==4
01:54:36LinusNsince each sample takes 2 bytes
01:55:02Mmmmaaaaaaaahhhhhh..... :D thanks so much Linus... hee hee... now I can sleep soundly!
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01:57:47Rob2222Mmmm: the bpm acceleration. <= means this, that you can play MP3s a little faster?
01:58:17LinusNnot at all, just that the bpm settint in the metronome is easier to change
01:58:55Rob2222metronome? in RB?
01:59:06LinusNyes
01:59:07Mmmmlook in plugins!
01:59:09 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenw√ľrmer")
01:59:16Rob2222ok
01:59:54Mmmmwell....its snooze time for me... night night......
01:59:56Rob2222If RB will get a playing speed setting for Mp3 anywhen?
02:00
02:00:24 Quit Mmmm ("ZZZZZzzzzzzzz")
02:00:55LinusNRob2222: we can set the pitch
02:01:45Rob2222But not on the fly in the player, or? At least I didnt found it, yet
02:02:26LinusNRob2222: which player do you have?
02:02:35Rob2222H340@60
02:03:01LinusNin the wps, hold Play and use up/down to change the pitch
02:03:19Rob2222WTF
02:03:21Rob2222nice!
02:03:24Rob2222muahaha
02:03:33Rob2222Linus, i love you. :)
02:03:39LinusNrockbox is full of surprises :-)
02:03:44Rob2222uhm, please dont get that wrong ;)
02:03:50LinusNhehe
02:04:15Rob2222All day i check the daily build for H300 changes ;)
02:04:35NightCatHa, I didn't know about this :)
02:04:39Rob2222As i was underway today and it was cold.
02:04:40aliaskAhaha, pitch changing is hillarious.
02:04:44adamdhaha, cool, me neither
02:04:47Rob2222lol
02:05:03Rob2222We should make a WIKI page for Iriver features
02:05:13adamdplease do!
02:05:18NightCatNot just iRiver...
02:05:24NightCat;)
02:06:01LinusNthat feature is there for all rockbox targets except archos studio
02:06:04 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
02:06:26adamda few AIR tunes sound much better sped up
02:06:28NightCatSome other hided futures?
02:06:36adamdyeah, do tell more! :P
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02:06:57aliaskI just found out about the ID3 tag reading feature.
02:07:00LinusNi believe that feature is in the manual
02:07:21Rob2222Linus: As i was out today and it was could, i didnt wanted to get my player out of my pocket. Then I thought, "hmm, Voice Directorys" would be nice now. But I switched it off, cause it stressed normaly. Wouldn that be a nice option for "QUICKMENU UP". A Voice Togge. Or QUICKMENU UP for a function that can be selected in the preferences ...
02:07:21NightCatYou're right Linus, but...
02:07:45Rob2222ID3 Tag reading feature?
02:07:58webguest63rob2222: why re-invent the wheel, the wiki already exists just add the info if it isn't there
02:08:11aliaskPlay a song, and in the WPS hold the select key (NAVI on H300) and select ID3 Tags
02:08:47Rob2222ah ok
02:09:06Rob2222does the wiki have a page with key combos for the target?
02:09:13Rob2222*search*
02:09:19webguest63yep its there somewhere
02:09:27adamdooh where
02:09:49*webguest63 fetches high chair and big spoon :-)
02:09:53adamdhahaha pitch change offers endless supplies of fun for boredom-remedying
02:09:58adamdlmao, yeah
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02:11:39 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah")
02:12:17NightCatWhat about wiki page with info about — functions (I mean RB function that I can use in plugin writing)?
02:12:46adamdg2g... night night
02:12:55NightCatBey
02:12:57LinusNNightCat: sure. go ahead
02:13:16NightCatI meant where is it?
02:13:29LinusNthere is no such page (yet)
02:13:30NightCatI couldn't find it...
02:13:38NightCatOh...
02:13:43NightCatFunny
02:14:02NightCatAnd what about short C info?
02:14:06Rob2222has the H300 record button any secret functionality
02:14:07Rob2222?
02:14:12LinusNNightCat: google
02:14:13NightCatNo
02:14:22NightCatLinus: Ok :)
02:18:11NightCatHm, then if I want to find a function that, for ex. set the color of the creen pixel I'll have to watch on RB sources and if I want to find a function that for ex. stops for moment (like sleep() or delay() functions in other language) then Ill have to go to google, Am I right?
02:23:50 Quit muesli__ ("ich will KŁhe!!!")
02:24:49LinusNthe sleep() and delay() functions are not part of the C language
02:25:17LinusNsleep() is a rockbox function
02:25:24LinusNrb->sleep() in a plugin
02:25:32NightCatHeh :)
02:26:38NightCatThx again :)
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02:29:15LinusNNightCat: see apps/plugin.h for the functions currently exported to the plugins
02:30:25NightCatI had already find it :) What about function putsxy()?
02:31:13NightCatOh putsxy = lcd_putsxy :)
02:31:20NightCatI see. :)
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02:55:59NightCatLinus?
02:56:03NightCatQuestion?
02:56:46NightCatCould I get sound level (left and right) from plugin?
02:56:55NightCat(I mean in plugin)
03:00
03:00:42NightCatMaybe mas_codec_readreg?
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03:03:04NightCatmas_codec_readreg(0xC) left and mas_codec_readreg(0xD) right
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03:14:50MembrilloNightCat: why would you want that?
03:15:14Membrillowhat plugin are you working on?
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03:18:32NightCatMembrillo: I just trying... I try — first day and RB too :)
03:18:41NightCatMembrillo
03:19:17NightCatI want try plugin that will blinks on high peaks :)
03:19:21Membrillosorry? i dont quite understand you
03:19:25Membrillooh ok, nice
03:20:17NightCatI want a botton (I don't know wich) in WPS mode that change NEXT song (not now playin)...
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03:23:07Membrillooh i get you
03:23:15Membrillothats a nice idea
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03:24:52NightCatYes :) Play + Up/Down is a pich change and Play + Left/Right can be this future :)
03:25:51NightCatHm, what about sound level? SOMEBODY!!!
03:30:02Membrillodoes pitch change work on h300?
03:30:49NightCatYes.
03:31:11Membrillohaha so it does
03:31:24Membrilloif you go past around 150% the iriver struggles thoguh
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03:50:02NightCatIs someone here???
03:50:14NightCatI need help with peakmeter file...
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03:56:14 Join ModernExecutive [0] (n=bob@pool-70-18-144-126.norf.east.verizon.net)
03:56:17ModernExecutivejust have one quick question: has anyone succeeded in putting the rockbox bootloader on a US firmware yet?
03:56:34LinusNnobody has tried
03:57:13ModernExecutivetried patching a us firmware or putting a patched us firmware on an h300?
03:57:34LinusNagain: nobody has tried
03:57:56ModernExecutiveok
03:58:16ModernExecutiveyou mean nobody has tried either, yes?
03:58:26LinusNexactly
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03:59:08ModernExecutivecould i be a guinea pig?
03:59:13NightCatLinus do you know something about sound level?
03:59:15LinusNit should work, but so far nobody has dared to try it in fear of losing drm
03:59:36LinusNNightCat: no peak info for plugins on the iriver, afaik
03:59:59ModernExecutivei would be happy to dare
04:00
04:00:12LinusNModernExecutive: ok
04:01:02ModernExecutivewhat would you like me to do?
04:02:09LinusNhttp://linus.haxx.se/ustest.zip
04:02:35LinusNcopy the H300.hex to your player and do a firmware upgrade
04:02:50LinusNbeware! nobody has done this before
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04:03:43NightCatLinusN: But there could be sound level in plugins on H300 couldn't it?
04:03:43Kyl3did he do it yet?
04:03:44Kyl3lol
04:04:10ModernExecutiveshould i copy a bleeding edge build over as well?
04:04:12LinusNNightCat: there *could*, yes, but it isn't implemented yet, afaik
04:04:14NightCatLinusN: Because there is a peakmeter on H300...
04:05:20NightCatHm...
04:05:30LinusNthe peak info is there, just not in the plugin api
04:05:33NightCatVery Sadly...
04:05:47LinusNNightCat: you can add it of course
04:05:54NightCatThen I'll try :)
04:06:17NightCatWhere this info could be?
04:06:29ModernExecutivesorry. this is a stupid question. do i just need to download the latest build and extract them on to the player and then flash to the patched firmware, or is there something more that needs to be on the player's hard drive (besides the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.iriver file)?
04:07:07Kyl3No just the build should work
04:07:09LinusNyou need to flash the H300.hex i gave you, and then install the latest rockbox build
04:07:12NightCatYou need .rockbox folder and the rockbox.iriver file and HEX file
04:08:22ModernExecutiveok
04:08:25ModernExecutivehere goes nothing
04:08:35*Kyl3 holds breath
04:08:49ModernExecutive.. you're not the only one ;)
04:09:07Kyl3if it works, use needleboys build on MR
04:09:37Kyl3its got all the stuff you need for the h300
04:10:03ModernExecutivefw upgraded.
04:10:03ModernExecutivehow do I boot to the iriver FW now?
04:10:13Kyl3Hold REC and ON
04:10:20Kyl3Until you see the boot screen
04:10:27ModernExecutivepress both at the same time or first rec and then on?
04:10:31Kyl3same time
04:10:53ModernExecutive... can't found DRM key.
04:11:08LinusNsh*t
04:11:13Kyl3damn!
04:11:21Kyl3well happy rockboxing
04:11:30ModernExecutiveactually, i'm RMAing
04:11:46Kyl3Oh.
04:11:56ModernExecutivegot a replacement on its way to me, so i figured "what the hell?" :)
04:12:21ModernExecutivelooks like i'll get myself 1.29k in the mean time.
04:12:23LinusNok, so the firmware probably has a checksum to protect against tampering
04:13:47Kyl3is there a way to patch the firmware and somehow change the checksum back to what it was before you patched it?
04:17:00LinusNi don't know
04:18:16ModernExecutivethanks anyway, guys
04:18:44Kyl3well atleast now you can see what you've been missing
04:18:53LinusNModernExecutive: thank you for trying
04:20:12ModernExecutivecrap
04:20:17ModernExecutivei think my player's bricked.
04:20:29ModernExecutiveoh... no
04:20:37ModernExecutivenope... the backlight is just turned off
04:21:14Kyl3Scared me the first time too
04:21:31LinusNtime to sleep
04:21:33LinusNnite all
04:21:37 Part LinusN
04:21:38ModernExecutivethanks linus
04:21:43Membrillothose koreans are clever buggers
04:21:50ModernExecutivestupid question #2: how do i get the backlight back on?
04:22:48Membrillopress a button
04:23:09Kyl3and go to
04:23:21Kyl3ab general settings display
04:23:28Kyl3backlight always on
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04:25:46Kyl3right?
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04:27:00Membrillothats a bit hard if you cant see anything
04:27:12ModernExecutivewhen i hit the on button, it boots to the standard iriver firmware
04:27:21Kyl3hold on
04:27:37Kyl3if you want ill get you 1.29k patched
04:28:04ModernExecutiveok
04:28:09Kyl3h/o
04:28:31ModernExecutivecrap
04:28:36ModernExecutivemy navi button doesn't work
04:29:02Kyl3reset plug in USB
04:29:47ModernExecutivecrap
04:29:48ModernExecutivebrb
04:29:50Kyl3kk
04:31:19Membrilloso with recording. Adjusting gain when its analog won't affect quality, adjusting gain digitally will
04:38:11ModernExecutiveok
04:38:16ModernExecutivestill there kyl?
04:38:22Kyl3yes
04:38:38ModernExecutiveshoot me a patched fw
04:38:59Kyl3whats your email address I'm gonna send you a patched formware and the latest optimized build
04:40:12Kyl3Ok I will
04:40:20Kyl3I cant PM im not registered
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04:41:03Kyl3while its off?
04:41:14ModernExecutivenp
04:41:18Rob2222hey you two
04:41:19ModernExecutiveit's on
04:41:21Rob2222:)
04:41:23ModernExecutiveand booting to the iriver fw
04:41:30Rob2222what means "cant found drm key"?
04:41:31Kyl3try while its off
04:41:41Rob2222you cant see something?
04:41:44Kyl3that means drm is broken
04:41:47Rob2222try a flashlight
04:42:18Rob2222read that anywhere
04:42:24ModernExecutiveconnecting usb while off doesn't seem to do anything
04:42:27Rob2222but doesnt kwof if it helps
04:42:35ModernExecutiveno lcd indication
04:42:49Rob2222ok, whats your status?
04:42:53Rob2222RB bootloader?
04:43:03ModernExecutive... i think flashing a patched fw over a bad us patched firmware might not have been a good idea
04:43:14Rob2222US player?
04:43:23ModernExecutivei probably should have flashed to a regular iriver firmware first and then to the patched fw
04:43:40Rob2222what player you have?
04:43:42Kyl3I'm sending the fw now
04:43:46ModernExecutivethx
04:44:03Rob2222well, whats the problem at the moment?
04:44:03Kyl3then ill send the latest optimized for h300 build
04:44:17Kyl3The problem is he did an experiment for Linus
04:44:18ModernExecutivealthough i have no idea how i'm going to upgrade w/o the navi button working
04:44:43Kyl3And it broke his player
04:44:46Rob2222what is working? RB and/or Iriver fw?
04:45:22ModernExecutivebrb
04:45:25Rob2222Kyl3: yes, but what does happen now?
04:45:33Rob2222does the Bootloader work?
04:45:38Kyl3I dunno
04:45:46Rob2222hmm
04:45:51Kyl3He says it boots into the iriver fw
04:45:55Kyl3when he presses on
04:46:07Kyl3but the NAVI button doesnt function
04:46:15Rob2222huh
04:46:22Kyl3and its not seen by his computer
04:46:31Rob2222double huh
04:46:53Rob2222if navi is really not working with iriver FW ....
04:46:55Rob2222hmm
04:46:58Kyl3he tried patching US firmware for Linus to see if it'll break the ability to play DRM files
04:47:01Rob2222dotn know how to flash
04:47:12Rob2222ah
04:47:15Rob2222well
04:47:23Kyl3and it did thats what the "cant found DRM key" is
04:47:23Rob2222ok
04:47:35Rob2222yes, what me is interesting
04:47:41Rob2222when he get that message
04:47:49Rob2222what is then?
04:47:59Rob2222is the whole player not working?
04:48:06Rob2222or only DRM files not working
04:48:19Kyl3I dunno
04:48:22Kyl3DRM isnt
04:48:40Rob2222and he has an US player?
04:48:46Kyl3(which was predicted) but the strange thing is NAVI button isnt working
04:48:50Kyl3Yes he does
04:49:02Rob22225am here, damn :(
04:49:21Rob2222well
04:49:37Rob2222i dont know how linus patched the fw
04:50:49Kyl3through the descramble, mkboot, rescrable way I guess
04:51:35Rob2222ok, i do know almost nothing about the BL
04:51:42ModernExecutivehi
04:51:53Rob2222hi
04:51:53Kyl3Both SENT
04:51:56Rob2222ane?
04:52:12ModernExecutivereceiving
04:52:23Rob2222ModernExecutive: still no navi key working?
04:52:31ModernExecutivereceived
04:52:34Rob2222have you restartet / reset the unit?
04:52:42Kyl3.hex and the build?
04:52:42ModernExecutivei have reset the unit
04:52:47ModernExecutiveit's the only way to turn it off
04:52:53ModernExecutiveno build yet
04:52:57ModernExecutivejust the hex
04:53:13Kyl3well umm try your best to flash it
04:53:31ModernExecutivei think the only buttons that work are the on button and the a-b button
04:53:41Rob2222hmm
04:54:00ModernExecutiveat least on the iriver side
04:54:00Rob2222if linus replaced the wrong part of the original fw?
04:54:06lostlogic /win3
04:54:10lostlogicgah, sorry.
04:54:15Rob2222i dont think ...
04:54:18ModernExecutivehi ll
04:54:27Rob2222lostlogic: Windows 3.1?
04:54:47lostlogichehe, irssi, was trying to do /win tab 3 to change to window number 3.
04:55:00ModernExecutivewhat does linus do to unbrick a bricked player?
04:55:18Kyl3flahes it with the BDM
04:55:22lostlogicModernExecutive: he has a BDM wiggler (serial connection) to the flash so he can reprogram it.
04:55:23Rob2222yep
04:55:32Rob2222linus has a bdm?
04:55:37Rob2222ah ok
04:55:38ModernExecutivecan i pick that up at my local compusa? ;)
04:55:43Rob2222lol
04:55:49Rob2222no :)
04:55:52Rob2222(i think)
04:55:57lostlogicprobably not... Frys maybe.
04:55:59Kyl3no
04:56:06Kyl3not compusa
04:56:09lostlogicModernExecutive: did you get your query answered
04:56:20ModernExecutivekind
04:56:21ModernExecutivea
04:56:26ModernExecutivebrb
04:56:29Kyl3you could send it to linus, or wait for your rma
04:56:46Rob2222ou thats expensive
04:56:53Rob2222linus is here in europe, or?
04:56:56Rob2222and ME in USA?
04:57:05Kyl3i dunno
04:57:15Kyl3i think linus is switzerland
04:57:38Rob2222wasnt it anything up in the high north?
04:58:00MembrilloLinus is in Stockholm
04:58:02lostlogicis he the same place as the haxx.se site?
04:58:25Membrilloalways remember that cos it reminds me of that Muse song "Stockholm Syndrome"
04:58:43Kyl3isnt that blink 182
04:59:11Membrillonope
04:59:13MembrilloMuse
04:59:18Membrillooff the Absolution album
04:59:41Kyl3blink 182 had a song called stockholm syndrome
04:59:56Kyl3off their blink 182 album
05:00
05:00:25ModernExecutivewell
05:00:31ModernExecutivelet that be a lesson to me
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05:00:43aliaskYeah well the Muse one is better.
05:00:56Kyl3it prolly is
05:00:57Kyl3lol
05:00:58Membrilloaliask: haha i agree
05:00:58ModernExecutive... i just find it hard to believe that the fwpatcher made a bad hex
05:01:06Kyl3nite all
05:01:09aliaskNight
05:01:16Kyl3sorry ME
05:01:22lostlogicso wait, what happens with your player when you try to turn it on?
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05:01:35ModernExecutivefirst, i have to have it hooked up to the charger
05:01:44ModernExecutivethe player doesn't seem to care that the battery was fully charged
05:02:04lostlogicThere is up until this point a zero brick ratio from rockbox flashes, so I'd be surprised if you became the first.
05:02:06ModernExecutivesecond, when i just hit "on", there's no backlight and it boots to the iriver firmware
05:02:42ModernExecutivethird, the only buttons that seem to work within the iriver firmware are on, record, and a-b
05:02:55Rob2222_lostlogic: it was a test for linus
05:03:21ModernExecutive... because navi doesn't work, i can't access the configuration menus
05:03:24Rob2222_ModernExecutive: the whole iriver FW is without backlight?
05:03:27ModernExecutiveyep
05:03:40lostlogic... did Linus say that it was unfixable without sending the player to him?
05:03:55Paul_The_NerdI bet it's not
05:03:58lostlogicthe no backlight thing, I think there was a weird fix for involving pressing weird buttons.
05:04:01Rob2222_it really sounds, like the patch has replaced the wrong part of the iriver fw
05:04:03lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, tha'ts what I"m thinking.
05:04:14Paul_The_NerdIf you can still load Rockbox, couldn't you load an app that *just* reflashes with a commercial firmware image?
05:04:25ModernExecutivehow do i load rockbox?
05:04:31lostlogiche can't load rockbox
05:04:39ModernExecutiveand can i connect via usb if i could load rockbox?
05:04:45lostlogicyes
05:04:46Rob2222_yes
05:04:54lostlogicwhat happens when you just plug up USB currently?
05:05:02Rob2222_have you a bootloader screen at startup?
05:05:32ModernExecutivewhen i press on, it goes to the iriver firmware startup logo
05:05:45Rob2222_immidiately?
05:05:48ModernExecutiveyes
05:06:01Rob2222_and when player is off and connecting usb?
05:06:14Rob2222_does it switch on?
05:06:34lostlogicit does sound like the patcher replaced the wrong part, tbh. maybe my previous statement was wrong. The DRM part of the US firmware probably confused it.
05:06:38ModernExecutiveif the player is off and i just connect usb to the data port, nothing happens
05:06:52Rob2222_yeah
05:07:01Rob2222_sounds like the RB BL doesnt get loaded
05:07:21lostlogicdamn dude, sorry, I guess you -are- the first... what a crappy thing to be the first of.
05:07:32Rob2222_ModernExecutive Have you installed rockbox itself on the HD, yet?
05:07:47ModernExecutivei had needleboy's build copied to the root before i flashed
05:08:06Rob2222_ok, so the .rockbox sdirectory was at the root?
05:08:09ModernExecutiveyep
05:08:18ModernExecutiveso far as I remember
05:08:19Rob2222_and the .iriver file at root, too?
05:08:23ModernExecutiveyep
05:08:30Rob2222_have you usb connection under iriver FW?
05:08:59ModernExecutivethe player says connected, but winxp doesn't show it as a drive
05:11:07ModernExecutivedevice manager doesn't even show it
05:12:39Rob2222_hmm
05:12:41Rob2222_bad
05:12:50Rob2222_and what you said with RMA?
05:13:11Rob2222_Must you RMA cause that test or was there anything other?
05:13:32ModernExecutivei had a problem with the player's internal microphone
05:14:16Rob2222_so that unit must to rma, even without test?
05:14:16ModernExecutiveit sounded like there was a loose connection inside, popping all the time during a recording, especially when the player was moving
05:14:33ModernExecutivei already had an rma going
05:14:43Rob2222_ah ok
05:14:49Rob2222_and thats the old unit?
05:15:03ModernExecutivehopefully, iriver will keep their word and send me the replacement unit before i send this one back.
05:15:13ModernExecutive... so i can wipe the HDD of anything rbx related
05:15:42Membrillothey're pretty generous when it comes to rockbox
05:15:55Membrilloheck, half the people in this channel could work for iriver
05:16:17ModernExecutive...
05:16:19Membrillothey wouldnt be oblivious to it
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05:16:36Membrillono ones had an RMA turned down because of RB on their hd
05:16:50ModernExecutivethat's encouraging
05:16:58Rob2222_well
05:17:02Membrillothats sarcasm?
05:17:10ModernExecutiveno... that's sincere
05:17:18Rob2222_with such a great firmware like rockbox they sell more players
05:17:19Membrilloterrific :)
05:17:24Rob2222_they should support it :)
05:17:31Rob2222_but well
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05:17:41Rob2222_H300 is discontinued, isnt it?
05:17:46ModernExecutiveanyone know of any way to format the drive independent of the h300?
05:17:59Rob2222_yea
05:18:04MembrilloRob2222: exactly. To be honest, i dont think they have a problem with it. Theyre not pro-rockbox, but theyre not anti-rockbox either. They tolerate it
05:18:04Rob2222_i have a USB
05:18:07ModernExecutivein other words, is there a device that can plug into and operate the toshiba drive in there
05:18:16Rob2222_ModernExecutive buy a usb case for it
05:18:29Rob2222_i have my old iriver 40GB disk in a usb case
05:18:30ModernExecutive... available at the local compusa?
05:18:38Rob2222_lol, dont know
05:18:41Rob2222_aviable at ebay
05:18:42Rob2222_:)
05:18:46Membrilloor buy a 1.8" to IDE converter
05:18:53Membrilloand plug the hd right into your computer
05:18:59Membrilloa LOT cheaper
05:19:01Rob2222_1,8 to IDE?
05:19:06Rob2222_does it exist?
05:19:12Membrilloyrp
05:19:14Membrilloyep*
05:19:26Rob2222_link?
05:19:40Membrillohttp://www.addonics.com/products/io/aaedt18ide25.asp
05:19:42lostlogicI just got a 1.8-to-USB thing
05:19:44lostlogicfrom drive solutions
05:19:45lostlogicgood
05:19:49Rob2222_http://cgi.ebay.de/50-bis-40-Stift-IDE-Adapter-fuer-NB-1-8-Harddisk-CF_W0QQitemZ8750294302QQcategoryZ79424QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
05:19:49Membrillotheres one
05:19:51Rob2222_ah ok
05:20:39ashridahyeah. you can buy them, but they won't be as common as laptop->ide converters, which are a different size iirc.
05:20:43MembrilloRob2222: yep thats perfect
05:20:53lostlogiclaptop is 2.5 usually except for thin-and-lights
05:21:19ashridahlostlogic: yeah, 1.8" and friends end up in tablets and portable things like mp3 players
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05:22:15Membrilloif anyone has a dead H340, could i buy the HD off you?
05:22:20Membrilloi want to put it in my h320
05:22:28lostlogicit's 1mm thicker
05:22:30ashridahMembrillo: will that fit?
05:22:35lostlogichow you goin' ta fit it?
05:22:36Rob2222_ModernExecutive: Is there no one with a BDM in the USA?
05:22:37ModernExecutiveashridah: yes it will
05:22:44ModernExecutiverob: the USA is pretty large
05:22:44ashridahwouldn't you need to get a smaller battery to compensate?
05:22:47Paul_The_NerdWord is a 1.8" 120 gb is due out by the end of '06. (At least, someone was claiming they'll have one by the end of the year"
05:22:47Rob2222_i mean @ all
05:22:53Membrilloit should fit shouldnt it?
05:22:58ModernExecutivei'm sure there's somebody with a bdm... especially in california
05:23:08Rob2222_ModernExecutive: I think about shipping costs :)
05:23:08ModernExecutive... but in eastern virginia, that's a bit of a trek
05:23:21Rob2222_ModernExecutive: Shipping to linus and back would be expensive i think
05:23:33Membrilloso having a 40gb and an ipod battery is out of the question for my h320??
05:23:35ModernExecutiveprobably
05:23:48lostlogicheh, probably, I can barely close my 340 with that combo
05:23:50Paul_The_NerdMembrillo: Single-platter 40gbs are available, they're just expensive.
05:23:58Rob2222_Membrillo: what would you like to pay?
05:24:12MembrilloRob2222_: where do you live?
05:24:16lostlogichttp://www.drivesolutions.com/cgi-bin/shop/store.cgi?command=listitems&kind=1.8in&pos=0&type=group&group=1.8in
05:24:16Membrillofor shipping
05:24:17Rob2222_germany
05:24:23Membrillohmmm
05:24:28Rob2222_but well
05:24:30Membrilloquite expensive to ship to AUS then
05:24:34Rob2222_yeah
05:24:36Rob2222_and
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05:24:54Rob2222_i think its better to behold my 40gb drive, if i must RMA anywhen
05:24:54Membrillois that USD?
05:24:59lostlogicand I just got: http://www.drivesolutions.com/cgi-bin/shop/bstore.cgi?command=listitems&pos=0&type=itemid&kind=kit&itemid=a8.1 (if others were interested in making a 1.8in portable hdd)
05:25:59Rob2222_Membrillo: 40GB drive in H320 is even close....
05:26:10Membrillohmmm
05:26:21Rob2222_53 USD?!
05:26:25Membrillolostlogic: there arent any 40gb single platters on that site you linked
05:26:31Rob2222_i payed 20 eur
05:26:41ModernExecutivehow does the bdm connect to the h300?
05:26:52Rob2222_good question.
05:26:56Rob2222_next question.
05:26:58Rob2222_;)
05:27:02Rob2222_mom
05:27:03lostlogicisn't he 4006GAH?
05:27:25Rob2222_WTF
05:27:31Membrillois GAH single platter?
05:27:33Rob2222_why is iriverlounge closed?
05:27:37Rob2222_no
05:27:39Rob2222_afaik
05:27:40lostlogic4004 is double 4006 is single I think
05:27:46Rob2222_H=high
05:27:52Rob2222_L= low
05:27:55Rob2222_wasnt it so?
05:28:15ModernExecutivewell, guys
05:28:19ModernExecutivethis has been enough drama for one night
05:28:20ModernExecutive:)
05:28:22ModernExecutivetake care
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05:28:34MembrilloMK-4006GAH or MK-4004GAH
05:28:36Membrillowait
05:28:42Membrilloyeah thats right
05:28:46Membrillowhich one of those
05:28:47Rob2222_Membrillo: both double drives
05:28:50Membrillodang
05:28:57Rob2222_afaik
05:29:08Rob2222_GAL = single platter
05:29:12Rob2222_http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/?cat=hd1
05:29:35MembrilloWell if i bought a bricked H340, could i use the case and the HDD on my h320?
05:29:43Membrilloto create a hybrid h320\40
05:29:56lostlogichmph, weird, wonder what the difference between the 4004, 4006 and 4008 GAH are then.
05:30:26Membrillocould you put a h340 case on a h320?
05:30:28lostlogicMembrillo: probably.
05:31:17Membrillomight consider that. I wonder with a h340 case, if i could fit a h340 hd and a newtech\camsino battery in my h320
05:31:25Membrillotight squeeze
05:31:44lostlogicMembrillo: Hmmmm I have a mostly intact H340 case, and a working drive sittin' in front of me...
05:31:46Rob2222_there was someone
05:31:50lostlogicthe case has one broken screw blastic thingy
05:31:54Rob2222_bould a High drive in a H320
05:31:58Membrillois it only the hd that effects the phsyical size between h320s and h340s?
05:31:58Rob2222_build
05:32:06Rob2222_yep
05:32:12Rob2222_and the drive speed in MB/s
05:32:13Rob2222_;)
05:32:42Membrillolostlogic, are they for sale?
05:33:10lostlogicMembrillo: under debate... considering I did just get an enclosure for the HDD to use it as a portable drive... /msg me
05:33:44Membrillohow do i /msg
05:33:59lostlogic /msg lostlogic yourmsg
05:34:03Membrilloah
05:36:17Rob2222_ducducpham has replaced the MK2006GAL in his H320 with an MK4004GAH 40GB drive. To do this, however, the rubber padding must be removed (which may not be the best idea)
05:36:23Rob2222_http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=16205
05:36:32Rob2222_thats a 40gb drive in a H320
05:36:51Membrillolooks like ill need a h340 case then
05:37:13Rob2222_not really
05:37:18Rob2222_look that thread
05:38:58Membrillolooks a bit dodgy
05:39:03Rob2222_but insert a drive without padding .... i dont know
05:39:06Rob2222_yeah
05:39:11Membrillothe blue padding replaced with tape
05:39:30Membrillomight be a bit susseptable to damage from bumps
05:39:49Rob2222_heres a FAQ with drive upgrade infos
05:39:51Rob2222_http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=18911
05:41:13Rob2222_but why is iriverlounge closed ?!
05:41:57Membrillothe 4, 6 and 8 designate model years
05:42:17Rob2222_no not really
05:42:32Rob2222_one has another connector i think
05:43:12Rob2222_the 08 have a Zero Insertion Force (ZIF) connector
05:43:31Rob2222_06 was the "old" one
05:43:45Rob2222_and 07 has Perpendicular Magnetic Recording technology (PMR)
05:43:54Membrilloso ill be looking at 200 dollars australian
05:44:12Rob2222_what you want to buy?
05:44:21Rob2222_4007 GAL?
05:44:27Rob2222_http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=810000000007000000010000659800000000/810000000B0C000000010000659C000026BD
05:44:28Membrilloi think so
05:44:37Rob2222_yeah
05:44:52Rob2222_80GB in a H320 would be nice
05:44:54Rob2222_^^
05:45:13Rob2222_For that i would really think about remove padding ;)
05:46:03Paul_The_NerdWell, as I said, somewhere I read that Toshiba had announced plans for a 120gb dual platter (which would imply a 60gb single platter) by the end of the year
05:46:06Membrillonah i will only need a 40
05:46:25Membrilloa 40 would suit me fine
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05:46:40Membrilloive just filled my 20, and i hate deleting things
05:47:01Rob2222_my 60gb is amlost full :(
05:47:26Rob2222_http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/Customize_Your_H3xx has the H300 stock battery really only 1300mAh?
05:50:12Membrillohttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/MK3006GAL-iPod-Hard-Drive-Parts-Repair-30GB-Broken-4G_W0QQitemZ5852192933QQcategoryZ73837QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
05:50:15Membrillocheck out that
05:50:18Membrillo30gb
05:50:39Membrillo$30
05:50:43Membrilloto good to be true
05:51:22Rob2222_its defect
05:51:24Rob2222_i bet
05:51:51Membrillohaha
05:52:04Membrilloif you read the questions the buyer isnt sure wether it will work
05:52:14Membrilloi can only assume that it's bad. it doesn't make any loud clicking noises, but i couldn't get it to work.
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05:55:37Rob2222_i killed a 10gb 1,2" HD
05:55:47Membrillohttp://cgi.ebay.com/60GB-Ipod-replacement-hard-drive-Toshiba-1-8_W0QQitemZ8750812490QQcategoryZ16178QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
05:55:50Rob2222_and you didnt see that
05:55:51Membrilloif your interested
05:56:12Rob2222_nice price
05:56:28Rob2222_but i have a 60GB in my player 2 weeks after they were on market ;)
05:56:35Membrilloin what player?
05:56:38Rob2222_but i payd 200 Euro
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05:56:42Rob2222_H340 @ 60
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05:57:21Membrilloso to put that 60gb into my h320, i would need an h340 case or remove the padding
05:59:59Rob2222_right
06:00
06:00:45Membrillolooks like i wont be doing any harddrive upgrades
06:00:50Membrilloits all too pricey
06:01:11Membrilloa 40gb is going to put me back 230 dollars (half the price of the player
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06:02:42Rob2222_i payed 200 euro, too
06:02:54Membrilloi dont have that kinda cash :P
06:03:01Rob2222_teh 40gb single patter is expensive cause the new system
06:04:11Membrilloalthough i could always buy my friends broken ipod and put my old HD in it and sell that off
06:04:35Rob2222_yeah
06:05:05Membrillowhat do you think of the quality of this battery
06:05:07Membrillohttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/IPOD-BATTERY-2200mAh-GENERATION-1-2-1G-2G-NEW_W0QQitemZ5853231543QQcategoryZ48680QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
06:05:30Rob2222_good question
06:05:47Rob2222_i read anywhere that you have to reverse polarity on the iŁod battery
06:05:55Rob2222_to use it in the iriver
06:06:17Membrilloyeah i know that. But i dont want to buy a dodgy battery that will bloat in my iriver
06:06:58Rob2222_ah
06:07:00Rob2222_http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=4680&page=7
06:07:03Rob2222_ok
06:07:04Rob2222_well
06:08:27MembrilloI've read how to do it. Just gotta find one to buy
06:08:49ashridahfuck. more bloody forums than friends have wished me a happy birthday yet. i spend far too much time online
06:09:04Membrillohahahaha
06:09:15Membrillonow wouldnt be a good time to say happy birthday would it
06:09:27Rob2222_lol
06:09:28ashridah:(
06:09:30ashridahheh
06:09:33ashridahnah, it's okay.
06:09:42MembrilloHappy Birthday Ash!
06:09:44Rob2222_happy birthday ;)
06:10:33Rob2222_ashridah: http://home.att.net/~cecw/lastpage.htm
06:10:56Rob2222_http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q6551254/
06:11:00Rob2222_:)
06:11:23ashridahif that's the last page on the internet, i've already seen it. i'm playing through it again to find all the secrets
06:11:30ashridahnext time through i'm using cheat codes
06:11:49Rob2222_lol
06:11:53Rob2222_:)
06:11:55Rob2222_damn
06:11:57Rob2222_6am here
06:12:08Rob2222_im to long online, too
06:13:42Rob2222_night all
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06:35:50munkymonkjri need some help ASAP regarding iRiver H300 + rockbox. I accidentally opened the jpeg plugin and well...it froze! the screen is on and there is no responce to any buttons! what do i do to unfreeze it?
06:39:59DrumRBoy320|Awaystick an opened up paper clip in the hole on the side
06:40:15DrumRBoy320|Awaythe reset hole
06:40:21DrumRBoy320|Awaythat should do it
06:44:58munkymonkjrthanks a lot my man. wow...it has a rest holle? i've owned this thing for a YEAR and i never knew that
06:45:21ashridahheh
06:45:25ashridahit's more obvious on the H1xx
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06:58:43_larsanyone read my reaction to the iDoom topic on Mistic? Is there anyone willing to help me with porting iDoom? you can get the source from here: http://www.acc.umu.se/~hyarion/highbw/iDoom_src.zip
06:59:01_larsit's just... too much to do at your own
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07:01:02_larsgetting bussy here
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07:02:40Lost-ash_lars: bah, iirc, someone ported doom to the interactive texture system in doom3.
07:02:52Lost-ashhow hard can it be to get it to run on rockbox? :)
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11:33:27jelle-khoi lars
11:33:39_larsEEK!! some text
11:33:40_lars:P
11:33:44jelle-krofl
11:33:50jelle-khet is gewoon stil in dit kanaal?
11:34:14_larsYeah, but then it would have been quiet for over 2 hours :X
11:34:22_larsTalk english ;)
11:34:29jelle-kmmmmkay
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11:44:38lars2stupid bouncer
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11:44:55lars2at _lars i can't see anything you chat in here :X
11:45:28lars2but from direct connection lars2 i can see _lars chatting
11:45:53lars2so sorry if I didn't react this morning about the iDoom port
11:46:04lars2still volunteers willing to help?
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11:46:40lars2lets see if it's already in the logs....
11:48:49lars2found it: anyone read my reaction to the iDoom topic on Mistic? Is there anyone willing to help me with porting iDoom? you can get the source from here: http://www.acc.umu.se/~hyarion/highbw/iDoom_src.zip
11:49:07lars2it's just... too much to do at your own
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11:58:59larshopefully it will finally work now :x
11:59:17jelle-k:)
11:59:20jelle-ki hope so
11:59:34larsme 2
11:59:36lars:)
11:59:38jelle-k:D
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12:28:29needleboydrumrboy, thanks for the help with the H300 Optimized logo
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12:31:13Membrilloanyone know of any apps that batch remove silence from mp3 tracks without re-encoding?
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12:31:33Membrillofrom the ends of tracks that is
12:34:02ashridahwell, you can't really remove all of it
12:34:19Membrillowhat do you mean?
12:34:31ashridahmp3 doesn't allow for variable sized frames
12:34:39Membrilloi ripped a cd and my ripping app was a bitch and added 2 seconds of silence
12:34:52Membrillohmmm
12:34:54ashridahso unless the mp3 magically manages to have it's last non-silent sample on the boundary of a frame, you're going to get *some* silence
12:34:57Membrilloso what would you advice i do
12:35:00ashridahouch
12:35:12Membrillohmmm
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12:35:13ashridahrerip it, and use something other than mp3, that has variable framesizes
12:35:13Membrillotricky
12:35:50Membrilloyeah, i want to rip to OGG or FLAC but Neros Save Tracks function only rips to MP3 at the moment
12:35:56Membrillowhat do you use to rip?
12:36:06ashridahfor windows?
12:36:08Membrilloyep
12:36:09ashridahlast time, i used cdex
12:36:22Membrillocdex aye?
12:36:32ashridahif you add ogg vorbis directshow codecs to your system, you can encode to that
12:36:35Membrillodoes that have freedb lookups?
12:36:43ashridahyes
12:36:48Membrillonice
12:36:55Membrillomight check it out. Nero is pissing me off
12:37:09Membrilloill have to reborrow the cd though. ah ewll
12:37:12Membrillowell*
12:37:20ashridahheh. pirate :)
12:37:43Membrillohey, who said they were copyrighted cds :P
12:37:56Membrillocould be a friends personal recording
12:37:59Membrillonever assume ;)
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12:38:10ashridahanyway, i like ogg as a general lossy codec. flac's good for archiving (ie, rip to flac, burn many cds to a bunch of dvdr's, and use that as backups and/or a source for transcoding
12:38:32Membrilloyeah
12:38:35Membrillosounds good
12:38:40Membrilloi like the sound of oggs
12:38:49ashridahMembrillo: if they were a friends personal recording of anything other than the friend's own performance of the friend's own work...
12:38:54ashridahthen why didn;'t he just burn you a copy? :)
12:39:21Membrillowell... they are cheap and cant afford cdrs *rolls eyes*
12:39:33ashridahright
12:39:37Membrillohaha
12:39:55Membrillocdex looks discontinued
12:40:29ashridahhm. i used it a month ago
12:40:48ashridahadmittedly, i don'
12:40:51ashridaht use it particularly often
12:41:05Membrillowait found it. one sourceforge page said they needed help getting a site or something
12:41:14Membrillobut i found another with a download
12:41:17ashridahyeah, many projects don't like cdex
12:41:28ashridahs/cdex/sourceforge
12:41:39ashridahi really need to stop watching a dvd and trying to talk at the same time
12:41:50ashridahbut sourceforge is a pain to deal with.
12:42:07Bagderindeed it is
12:42:16Membrillohaha yeah ok, get back to your DVD :)
12:42:40Membrillothey have an australian mirror though, which is useful
12:42:41Membrillosomehow
12:42:57ashridahBagder: once (or more) burned, twice shy, eh?
12:43:35*Bagder used to host lots of project stuff on sourceforge too
12:43:55Bagderuntil it got unbearable
12:44:06Bagderpity
12:44:15Membrilloahh lucky. Most of the cds arent made to be gapless so i can live with that silence
12:44:26Membrillojust one or two i need to reborrow
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12:49:36jelle-kvorbis rocks 8)
12:50:10Membrillohas anyone here got custom made sleeves for their shures?
12:50:24ashridahshures?
12:50:33Membrilloshure e2\3\4\5
12:50:33ashridahis that a euphemism?
12:52:10Membrillonot intentionally
12:52:46ashridahi'm still not sure what a "shure" is. i assume it's a player or something.
12:52:56Membrilloshure earphones?
12:53:27Membrilloquite popular among iriver folks
12:53:33ashridahaah
12:53:40ashridahi'm a sennheiser first.
12:53:46ashridahs/first/man/
12:53:48Membrilloah ok
12:54:28*ashridah has 3 pairs of them around the house
12:54:57Membrillonice
12:55:22Membrilloi own sennheiser hd202 (i think?) headphones
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12:56:11Membrilloashridah: what DAP's do you own?
12:56:25ashridahH140.
12:56:40Membrillonice
12:56:43ashridahunless you count my phone, technically it can play mp3's.
12:56:50Membrilloi wish id bought an h1xx
12:57:29Membrilloi had no idea about the iriver series until I bought an h320 (the only iriver in the shop) and went on MisticRiver
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12:58:14ashridahah, i did a bit of research first, i've got a lot of ogg vorbis files
12:58:28Membrilloi rather listen to music than watch video or play games. so h1xx should of been my choice
12:58:35ashridahalthough the H140 had only just come into stock when i bought it, so it was fairly lucky that i got it
12:58:39*ashridah nods
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12:58:55f0grockbox can play video ?
12:59:06Membrillooh ok. Well it was only once i bought my h3xx that i seriously started my music collection
12:59:22linuxstbf0g: Only on the Archos devices.
12:59:25ashridahf0g: no, but iriver's H3xx series can play it, at around 10fps, if the file is preprocessed on a PC
12:59:39ashridah(in iriver's firmware, that is)
12:59:46f0gok
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13:00:33Membrilloit will eventually though. Even if its still restricted to 10fps
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13:01:55ashridahof course, in the meantime, an ipod video would be a better choice, since it can play it at full speed on any file, more or less
13:02:01ashridah(well, reasonable file)
13:02:04Membrilloalready got me one of those
13:02:25Membrilloi had my 4g converted to a video
13:02:35linuxstbashridah: The only real limitation is that the ipod video will only play video files with AAC audio. So you always have to transcode.
13:03:03ashridahdoes it?
13:03:05ashridahick
13:03:08linuxstbYes :(
13:03:09ashridahwhat a poor business decision
13:03:29ashridahand yet, strikingly apple
13:03:37Bagderthe ordinary ipod user is a itunes sucker anyway
13:03:46linuxstbBut it even has a TV-Out, and is capable of playing files larger than the LCD size - 480x480 (or equivalent)
13:04:19ashridahlinuxstb: yeah, i've heard
13:04:32linuxstbHappy birthday, btw.
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13:05:59linuxstbI tried the SDL sim on Mac OS last night, and made some progress. It starts, but the mac equivalent of the hour-glass is constantly displayed, and the sim doesn't accept any keyboard input. But it starts.
13:06:04Membrillohow do you get tv out to work, do you have to purchase another cable?
13:06:12Membrillomy ipod video didnt come with a tv out cable
13:06:24ashridahyep
13:06:35ashridahmacistas love to accessorize
13:06:36linuxstbMembrillo: Yes, but a standard camcorder->TV cable will work as well. The video signal is on a third ring in the headphone socket.
13:06:45Membrillothats what i hate about apple. You buy something off them, then spend the price of the product again to get it to do everything it can
13:07:09Membrillooh, so its in the headphone port? nice
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13:07:11linuxstbYep, the video ipod doesn't even come with an AC adapter.
13:07:22jelle-kLOL
13:07:25Membrilloso camcorder -> RCA?
13:07:30jelle-k2 hours of video :P
13:07:32linuxstbMembrillo: Yes.
13:08:02MembrilloI only get an hour and a half of video. Straight out of the box
13:08:08Membrillopiece of shit
13:08:17ashridahrofl
13:08:35linuxstbI've never tried watching anything more than a few test videos. But the quality is nice.
13:08:36Membrillocant even got through a cheesy short hollywood video
13:08:42jelle-ki like my h320 :P
13:08:44linuxstbHaven't tried it on the TV though.
13:08:54amiconnw00t
13:08:58Membrilloi will agree. The quality is very nice
13:08:59amiconnH340 arrived :-)
13:09:07Membrilloa bitch to get videos converted though
13:09:12linuxstbamiconn: So what's in your DAP collection now?
13:09:18Membrilloits almost as picky as the iriver video
13:09:25jelle-kipod is overhyped
13:09:47Membrillojelle-k: your telling me. Its nothing more than a fashion statement
13:10:20Membrillofriends of mine say. Wow, your iriver does so much more than the ipods. I would buy one, but i like white
13:10:34amiconnlinuxstb: (chronological) Archos Jukebox Recorder v1 (80GB, white backlight), Archos Ondio 128 SP, Archos Jukebox Studio 10, Iriver H140, Archos Ondio 128 FM, Iriver H340
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13:10:35Membrillowhat a world we live in....
13:11:03amiconnH340 is charging now...
13:11:18linuxstbHow do you keep track of the chargers? :)
13:11:21amiconnHow do I know which model it is? At boot it says 1.08E ...
13:11:44jelle-kinternational
13:11:50jelle-kthats good :)
13:12:03Membrilloamiconn: theyre for testing and dev purposes arent they?
13:12:16amiconnlinuxstb: Fairly simple. Recorder v1 and Studio chargers are exchangeable. Ondios have no charger. H140 and H340 are identical spec-wise, but have different plugs
13:12:36amiconnThe only danger is plugging an archos charger into the H140
13:12:49linuxstbSo Ondios charge via USB?
13:12:52amiconnNo
13:13:04amiconnOndios have no built-in charging at all
13:13:13amiconnThey're meant to be run from alkalines
13:13:28linuxstbSo what is the HAVE_USB_POWER define?
13:13:38amiconn...but they draw power from USB instead of the batteries when they are connected
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13:14:16linuxstbI see. I used that same define for USB charging in the ipods. Maybe I shouldn't.
13:14:18amiconnYou'll never have to worry about running out of battery when the Ondio is connected
13:14:27amiconnIt even runs with the batteries removed
13:14:37amiconnlinuxstb: No, that's correct
13:14:58linuxstbAre the fm recorder and recorderv2 the same?
13:15:05linuxstbI mean have the same type of usb power.
13:15:39amiconnHAVE_USB_POWER means the unit can draw power from USB, and therefore it's useful to allow rockbox operation while connected to USB instead of entering USB mode
13:15:56amiconnFM and V2 recorders charge from USB
13:16:52amiconnWhat kind of power draw that is (just running from it or charging) doesn't matter
13:17:32amiconnH340 will probably get HAVE_USB_POWER as well, as it can charge from it, like FM, v2 and iPod
13:17:54linuxstbBTW, I do like the idea of pressing a button to disable disk mode when inserting USB. ipodlinux's approach is to bring up a charge/disk mode dialog, so you always have to do something.
13:18:07MembrilloH3xx can't support HAVE_USB_POWER. USB doesn't supply enough juice
13:18:14amiconn?
13:18:24linuxstbMembrillo: It provides enough juice to charge?
13:18:44amiconnUSB can provide up to 500 mA
13:18:49mirakMembrillo: you can't get more than 1h30 of video playback ?
13:18:57Membrillobut usb cant provide enough power to run rockbox directly from the usb current right?
13:19:05Membrillomirak: nope
13:19:16mirakMembrillo: you tried with smaller videos ?
13:19:21Membrilloyep
13:19:24mirakMembrillo: I mean smaller resolutions
13:19:26amiconnSince all disk-based jukeboxes I know of are self-powered in USB mode (from the battery) they don't need to draw power for USB operation
13:19:33Membrilloat lowest quality i get 2hours tops
13:19:38amiconn...so almost 500 mA are available for charging
13:19:44mirakMembrillo: like a resolution matching exactly the screen
13:19:52ashridahpowering a hard drive is only a problem for startup for usb's current limitations
13:19:54Membrillomirak: yep
13:20:20Membrilloeasiest settings for the ipod, ill get 2hr15min on a good day
13:20:21mirakI could watch Lost in the train on my H300 with just one quarter of the battery
13:20:22ashridahsince the battery is there, and the PCF provides buffer against overdrain, you'd be able to use the battery to start the drive, then switch over to tricklecharge
13:20:42linuxstbMembrillo: Apparently it's the LCD that draws a lot of power on the ipod.
13:20:46linuxstb(video ipod I mean)
13:20:47mirakMembrillo: that's just 10 fps xvid, but well I can watch 6 hours of video probably
13:20:48amiconnOf course the battery may drain overall when your're charging and using the unit at the same time, with the disk spinning a lot
13:21:02miraklinuxstb: the screen is huge
13:21:29Membrillohmmm yeah
13:21:47Membrilloits still a bit dissapointing. You think if apple advertised video, they would supply a better battery
13:22:29amiconnAre there two types of H340 front plates?
13:22:30mirakashridah: was that you who tried to use the mod for charging from the usb cable ?
13:22:34Membrilloi mean were paying hundreds of dollars because it advertises video, which it does do legitimetely, but still...
13:22:39mirakor was it markun ?
13:22:47amiconnMine has the 'Multi codec jukebox' at the right side of the LCD
13:23:02mirakamiconn: they all have it I think
13:23:18ashridahmirak: no
13:23:45ashridahmirak: the H1xx doesn't have the hardware necessary to charge and run from usb safely.
13:23:58mirakwell on guy said that he cramed his USB port on the mother board
13:24:23amiconnHmm.
13:24:25mirakby doing the mod where you extract power from usb cable to direct it to the supply plug
13:24:40mirakit was usb1
13:24:45amiconnI can't start the H340 from the charging screen. Is that normal?
13:24:45mirakmaybe usb2 can handle more
13:25:05ashridahmirak: yeah, i really wouldn't recommend doing it to the motherboard
13:25:25ashridahsince it's going to entirely depend on the quality of the motherboard's hardware as to wether it can sustain the current draw for that long
13:25:35ashridahi'd use a powered hub
13:25:44mirakthat's what I use
13:25:50linuxstbamiconn: I think I've heard people say that you can't use the h340 at the same time as charging via USB.
13:25:50amiconnAh, repeated button presses do the trick.
13:26:04miraklinuxstb: yes you can't
13:26:08ashridahmirak: it's less likely to be picky (or fatal to the pc) if it's overdrawn
13:26:11amiconnThis wasn't USB charging
13:26:12miraklinuxstb: that's a shame
13:26:40mirakamiconn: well yes it was a plug mod
13:26:49amiconn?
13:27:17mirakthe mod consists in plugin the usb wire into the battery input
13:27:26mirakas well as in the usb input
13:28:00mirakto get charging from usb and ums at the same time
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13:30:54mirakthe chargning from usb is already really slower than from AC power supply. So probably charging at the same time than using the H300 would make the charging really inneficient
13:30:57mirakand pointless
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13:33:44learlol, there are acutally erlang bindings for sdl. :)
13:34:03amiconn?
13:34:32webguest55hmm, I think that the max amperage that a pc's usb port can supply is 500mAmp, this wont be enough to run the player and recharge the battery effectively
13:34:59amiconnIt will still charge, or at least maintain battery level
13:35:12learerlang is a language developed by Ericsson for use in their products.
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13:35:24ashridahi agree. the biggest spike of current is starting the hd. usb can usually just manage that
13:35:27webguest55perhaps, suppose it depends on the load/amps the unit is drawing
13:35:45webguest55excluding battery charging
13:35:45ashridahkeeping it spun up is not as high a demand, so there should be current left over
13:35:47linuxstbThe original ipod firmware allows you to use the player at the same time as charging, but you have to enter diskmode first, and then eject the ipod from your PC, whilst leaving the USB cable plugged in.
13:36:06ashridahas i say, i'd be more worried about frying the port than the unit
13:36:25webguest55yep, dont think there re fuses there, dont know
13:36:47ashridahthus, using a powered hub is a better option
13:36:49amiconnThe charging won't overdraw the USB current supply. The device always runs from battery, the charger (or USB) just charges
13:36:52Membrillohmmm, when I 'safely remove hardware' my ipod recognizes that and exits USB mode. Could rockbox do that potentially
13:36:55ashridahthey're far less likely to have current clamps, for starters
13:37:24mirakashridah: by the way why would the drive need usb power to run ? Doesn't it just run from battery already ? I have heard that you can't use an H300 without a battery.
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13:37:44webguest55amiconn, are you aure that the battery supllies operating power when its charging ?
13:37:53ashridahmirak: i'm talking about usb hd caddies in that respect (as a qualifier for "enough current from usb")
13:38:05mirakamiconn: you were faster, I look like a parrot :)
13:38:15amiconnSo, if the unit needs momentarily more current than the charger provides, the battery will discharge during that time (still less than without USB charging)
13:38:45ashridahindeed
13:39:00ashridahif anything, you'll get longer runtime.
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13:39:10amiconnIf the _average_ current draw of the unit is lower than what the charger/USB provides, the battery will still be charged
13:39:22mirakI think my battery dies in an hour if I forgot to unplug the usb when in UMS mode
13:39:22webguest55I thought that the hardware supplies power directly to the unit if needed whilst charging, that way not interupting the charge cycle
13:39:59amiconnmirak: That's because the HD keeps spinning all the time in UMS mode.
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13:40:30mirakamiconn: yep. a power saving would be nice. Could rocbox do that when on idle ?
13:40:47mirakor it controls nothing about the drive when in ums mode ?
13:40:48ashridahmirak: no, but the PC can
13:41:05amiconnIn UMS mode, the CPU has no control over the HD. The USB bridge has exclusive control
13:41:06ashridahthe ums controller takes over, but the pc can tell it to go into power saving and back out
13:41:24amiconnThe PC would have to do it.
13:41:39learAnyone on (K)Ubuntu/Debian?
13:41:41mirakactually it would stop all hd probablt
13:41:46miraklear: me
13:41:48ashridahlear: yes
13:41:55amiconnIt seems that the initial behaviour (if the PC doesn't control spindown) depends on the USB bridge configuration ROM
13:42:04learTrying to build cross-compiler under Linux, but without much success. Keep getting ICE:s in one file...
13:42:19amiconnMy archoses do spin down automatically when connected but not accessed. The H140 doesn't
13:42:24ashridahlear: which version of gcc?
13:42:25gtkspertim trying to build a cross compiler
13:42:37learSo I thought the gcc 4.0.2 prerelease wasn't a good use, so I (tried) to use 3.4.5, but got the same error...
13:42:39gtksperti've tried four times and havent secceeded
13:42:50ashridahlear: odd.
13:42:57ashridahi've built it fine. recently too.
13:43:07ashridahoverclocking?
13:43:13learI mean, setting CC=gcc-3.4 before running configure/make should do it, no?
13:43:22learAnd no overclocking...
13:43:25ashridahlear: have you tried using another compiler to compile GCC's bootstrap?
13:44:27learno, as I don't know how to do that...
13:44:30ashridahhmm. not sure about the CC= bit, gcc may have quirks
13:46:01ashridahlear: which options are you passing to ./configure?
13:46:08perplexityI had problems using the CC=gcc-blah.. here's how I got around it..
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13:46:14learHrm, checked the makefile generated, says CC=gcc...
13:46:24ashridahyeah
13:46:25ashridahwell
13:46:27perplexitybklaptop:~>ls bin/
13:46:27perplexitycpp gcc gcov i486-linux-gnu-g++
13:46:27perplexityg++ gccbug i486-linux-gnu-cpp i486-linux-gnu-gcc
13:46:36ashridahgcc builds itself with its own compiler for compatability
13:46:43perplexitythese are all symlinks to the gcc-3.3 equivalents.. placed in ~/bin
13:46:45perplexityls-la
13:46:48perplexityoops
13:47:02perplexitylrwxrwxrwx 1 brad brad 16 2006-01-03 21:49 gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-3.3
13:47:14ashridahyeah, i'd try overriding the path with symlinks to gcc-3.4's stuff, i guess
13:47:21perplexityI just set PATH=~/bin:$PATH before I compile and I auto get the correct version :)
13:47:23learAssuming ~/bin is early enough in the path, that should work, yes. Not very elegant...
13:47:29ashridahit's lowbrow, but i don't know enough about gcc's build to help
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13:48:01perplexityit does the job anyway
13:48:03ashridahi'm pretty sure i built 3.4.5 with 4.0.2-5/6 from debian last week
13:48:52perplexityI'm using 3.4.4 but I built it before I upgraded this machine from stable to testing, so it was built with gcc-3.3 in any case
13:48:54learDo I need more than cpp and gcc?
13:49:29ashridahi'd do as much as perplexity has
13:49:40perplexityhave no idea.. probably not. Which version of binutils are you using ?
13:49:49lear2.16.1 I think.
13:49:49ashridahmixing versions would probably confuse it
13:50:33perplexityI have lots of ugly hacks/workarounds for little quirks.. I need gcc-3.3 to build qemu properly, but I cant make any CC overrides work properly, so I just bodge it up that way
13:50:33amiconnThink I'll really switch to H340 as my main unit. These buttons are a lot better than the side buttons and the slippy joystick of the H140
13:51:18learReally? I read a review of the H340 quite a while ago, and they weren't too fond of the buttons, IIRC.
13:51:26amiconnI like them
13:51:46perplexityI like mine, but then I have never been near a h1x0
13:51:53learMaybe it was more the placement, with them being too close or something.
13:52:19learBut moving to the side buttons is a bit inconvenient, yes...
13:53:24amiconnYes, especially if you use the unit like I do often: placed on a shelf connected to the stereo, or placed in the car and connected to the car stereo
13:56:56webguest55reading the charging spec sheat, the charge IC controller has a method of recharging the battery if the voltage falls below the " Battery Recycle Threshhold". nice
13:57:14Membrillois there an option in RB at the moment to switch the left and right audio channels?
13:57:37amiconnIs there a (posix or otherwise) standardised function name for filling a memory area with a 16 bit pattern?
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14:00:42webguest55a cordless bluetooth remote for a DAP would be nice, (just thinking aloud)
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14:09:23Membrilloso i guess not with the channel switching
14:09:54amiconnHmm. Is it correct that fwpatcher increses the size of H300.hex that much?
14:10:07amiconn1.30EU was ~2.5MB before, and is 4MB now
14:10:20linuxstbamiconn: Not that I know of. Maybe use memset16?
14:10:26ashridahamiconn: i'd say so, given that the .hex isn't a raw memory dump.
14:10:55Membrillothat size increase is normal
14:11:15ashridahthen again.
14:11:34amiconnThe md5sum matches
14:12:35learWell, redirecting gcc and cpp wasn't enough, it seems...
14:12:48learMaybe me being on an AMD64 system is the reason...
14:14:17amiconnlear: Don't scare me... :-/
14:15:26mirakI am long time user of ubuntu, and I tried 64bits but siwitched back to 32
14:15:45mirakactually that's less trouble to be in 32bits, and you gain almost nothing in 64bits
14:15:49mirakat least for now
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14:15:54learamiconn: why, planning to buy one?
14:16:06amiconnI'll have one soon
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14:16:32mirakif you still use a 32bits linux it change nothing
14:16:36learmirak: hm... maybe, but it seems silly to not use the features if you have them. :)
14:16:52miraklear: not when they are not mature enough
14:17:14miraksome apps are slower on 64bits even because there is no asm optimisations yet for i
14:17:15mirakit
14:17:24learafter being around for several years, most should be mature enough, one would hope...
14:17:55miraklear: well yes, but not many people use desktop applications on itanium :)
14:19:09learbut amd64 systems have been around for quite a while...
14:19:46mirakyes
14:19:52miraklear: do you use K8 kernel ?
14:20:03learyep.
14:20:26mirakproblem is still the same than with i386 i686 etcetera
14:20:41mirakthe binaries 64 bits are not compiled for K8
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14:20:59mirakbut generic 64 bit I think
14:21:17learmirak: ati or nvidia for graphics, btw?
14:21:20FebsThis trend at Mistic River to have a separate branch of Rockbox is frustrating.
14:21:33miraklear: I bought a nvidia in august
14:21:47mirakFebs: what is it ?
14:22:03learbecause I have an ati, and the screen updates are really slow, even with the ATI binary driver. :/
14:22:10miraklear: I think gentoo still have the advantage
14:22:31miraklear: are you sure the module is loaded ?
14:22:33leartoo painful to install, I'd say.
14:22:35FebsSome people are creating patches, plug-ins, etc. and maintainin them on their own sites without adding them to the patch tracker.
14:22:44miraklear: yeah I don't like it as well
14:22:45learYep, says so in the log quite clearly...
14:23:28learI even tried Gentoo once, but even after that lenghty install, there were lots of things left to fix, e.g., to get the mouse wheel to work. It was a while ago though...
14:23:35miraklear: on debian/ubuntu there is apt-build wich is supposed to be able to what portage do and optimise packages, but actually it's broken since seveal months
14:23:38mirakseveral
14:23:56mirakto do
14:24:36miraklear: what you can do though is rebuild some critical packages with optimisations you need
14:25:01mirakthat's what they do for encoders, the kernel, etecettera
14:25:14learsounds like overkill, and unlikely to fix the video...
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14:29:13linuxstbFebs: I agree with what you're saying about the "mistic river" branch. But it needs a H3x0 owner with CVS write access to start committing the patches.
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14:33:31Febslinuxstb, they can't commit the patches if the authors don't upload them to the patch tracker.
14:37:47lostlogicWho maintains the H300 optimized stuff? Do they know what they're doing? It has a rather risky feel to me.
14:40:08FebsA MR user called Needleboy.
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14:42:12HypnoticMonkeyIm just here to say to devs........
14:42:20HypnoticMonkeyENLIGHTEN THOSE IPOD USERS!
14:42:54HypnoticMonkeyseriously, the ipod port offers rockbox the chance for proper recognition for all your talents, gan for it..
14:43:01mirakanyone uses itunes on mac ?
14:43:17mirakI try to load a 50G library but it seems to stalls
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14:55:12linuxstbFebs: Patches don't _have_ to be in the patch tracker for someone to commit them to CVS.
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15:02:53lostlogiccan anyone tell me the name of the charging chip on the archos recorder v1 (that has charge control)?
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15:19:10sanitarium__is MR down for anyone else?
15:21:27FebsNope. Works for me.
15:21:57sanitarium__ok, works now for me
15:22:04sanitarium__I was getting the database error thing
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15:47:46lostlogicwhat kind of transfer speeds to people see when writing to the 1.8in hdd based players?
15:48:21lostlogic(I'm not seeing over 10mbit, and wondered if that's a problem with my USB driver, my USB storage driver, or a limitation of the drive)
15:49:40thegeekI usually get towards 5000/6000 kbit
15:49:58lostlogicwhat OS?
15:50:31lostlogic(ie. I thought 10000kbit was slow, I feel for you)
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16:11:15thegeeklostlogic
16:11:30thegeek5000/6000 kbit is not exactly bad
16:11:35thegeekwoha
16:11:36thegeekcrap
16:11:49thegeekkbyte
16:11:53thegeekI mean kbyte
16:12:05thegeekdamn, how could I mix that up;)
16:12:15thegeeknow I feel stupid;)
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16:14:21thegeekanyway, it does not matter if I use my serverbox(gentoo) or windows
16:14:47thegeekthough I use "total copy" for windows
16:15:02thegeeksince it seems like explorer's copy function totally sucks
16:15:05thegeekthat goes for all copying
16:15:09thegeekover networks too
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16:40:58lostlogicthegeek: hmph −− so you get 4 or 5 times the speed I do... wtf.
16:41:04lostlogic*scowls at his USB*
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16:49:54thegeek;)
16:50:03thegeekyou sure you have usb2 ?
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17:06:36lostlogicthegeek: yes, it reads at 20MB/s −− I have a USB2 card and am using EHCI-HCD.
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17:08:49thegeekwierd indeed
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17:54:31preglownow, there's nothing like finding a nice tv series to download when it comes to boosting productivity
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18:23:57Matzewohoo nice patches there since last week :)
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18:50:02lostlogicwhy... why... why... is there CHARGER_PLUGGED as a charger_input_state and a separate "charger_inserted()" method?
18:50:55lostlogicnevermind.
18:50:58lostlogicit's just used weirdly.
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19:13:22lostlogicSo there I find myself... looking at the board images Iput on the wiki long ago trying to figure something out... completely ignoring the fact that I have an H340 board SITTING IN FRONT OF ME
19:15:42thegeekhah!
19:15:46thegeekreality is for pussies
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19:29:13lostlogicblah, anyone want to tell me if the PCF50606's interrupt line is connect anywhere on the coldfire in the H340?
19:32:00preglowwell, it should be
19:35:14lostlogicI don't see it's interrupt defined in system.c am I looking the wrong place, or is it not defined and I need to find it or something sad like that?
19:35:16perplexitycan you unmask all the ints and do something to the PCF that should fire an interrupt?
19:35:29lostlogicperplexity: hmm, yes, I could
19:35:40lostlogiccharger insertion is an interrupt event.
19:36:18perplexityjust remember to build some kind of default int handler for every unmasked vector or it could get ugly :)
19:36:52lostlogicit seems like the system defaults to having everything unmasked... I think I'm not understanding the interrupt code yet.
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20:39:34linuxstbpreglow: I managed to install the ipod bootloader from Windows this afternoon.
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20:47:12preglowlinuxstb: w00t! how?
20:47:21preglowlinuxstb: we're not speaking cygwin?
20:49:01linuxstbYes, in cygwin, but the principle applies to standard win32 as well.
20:49:30preglowoh?
20:49:31preglowexplain
20:49:37linuxstbThe basic trick is just to write to the disk starting from the first sector - e.g. dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdc
20:49:59preglowand use offsets?
20:50:07preglowhow do you do that in winapi?
20:50:27linuxstbSo you need to read the first (in my case) 63 sectors from /dev/sdc first, and then prepend those to the boot partition data, and write the whole thing back to the start of the disk.
20:51:05linuxstbThere is a utility called rawdisk which I have the source to that reads/writes to a disk in winapi
20:51:14preglowurl?
20:51:24preglowwe'll probably want to make a utility
20:51:32linuxstbAnd it's GPL'd
20:52:08linuxstbI'll find the url...
20:53:06linuxstbJust google for rawdisk - it's the first hit
20:53:13preglowdid christi release the source code for that tool of hers, btw?
20:53:18linuxstbhttp://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/73174/RawDisk/
20:53:31linuxstbNo, she wanted to clean it up some more first.
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20:54:43preglowthink i'll just make it a command line tool first, then
20:54:53preglowgui coding in winapi is not much fun
20:55:02preglowat least not after i found out how easy it is in gtkmm
20:55:14linuxstbI've already written a utility that does it in Cygwin. You could adapt it to the win32 api.
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20:55:50preglowi could
20:55:58preglowhmm, i keep forgetting i'm not in windows
20:56:02linuxstbhehe
20:56:19preglowi'm really comfortable in gnome now
20:58:06linuxstbTalking about the bootloader, do you think the hold button would be easier to detect?
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21:00:17pregloweasier than what?
21:00:28linuxstbThe other keys
21:00:43preglowi don't know, i detect it through the same interface as the other keys right now
21:01:43preglowthat is, i don't, but i assume i can, i remember it generated interrupts
21:02:12preglowthis is going to be a breeze, btw, it's all about the DeviceIoControl() function
21:02:28preglowdo we have any way of making sure we're writing to an ipod?
21:02:36preglowi guess we could search for the apple signature in the bootsector
21:03:47linuxstbYes, checking the apple signature sounds sensible.
21:04:36preglowat least it's a nice safety check
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21:04:49preglowwe could always include a "force write" option for those who've replaced their bootsector with something custom
21:05:15linuxstbBut that's probably the same check the apple bootloader does - so you can't replace it.
21:05:54linuxstbAnyway, if you're interested in my utility: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/diskdump.tgz
21:06:36linuxstbThe useful code (stolen from Rockbox) is the function to read the paritition table - so you know which sector the boot partition starts at.
21:07:04preglowi'll take a look at it when i'm in windows again
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21:11:13NicoFRi really don't get it...
21:11:34preglowget what
21:11:42NicoFRi can't build rockbox anymore as soon as i ask to compile rockcalendar and/or brickmania
21:12:03NicoFRthe build just seems to take forever
21:12:13NicoFRand i have 100% CPU usage
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21:12:34NicoFRas soon as i remove both the plugins from SOURCES it works fine again
21:13:51NicoFRam i the only one having the problem ?
21:14:36preglowafaik
21:15:30*preglow throws his eq code on the floor and runs away
21:16:26linuxstbI've compiled brickmania without problems.
21:17:28NicoFRany ideas about where this could come from ?
21:18:21linuxstbNo. The compilation shouldn't just freeze.o
21:18:27*lostlogic throws PCF50606 specs on the floor and runs after preglow
21:19:11linuxstbTry typing "make V=1"
21:19:24linuxstbThis will make the build process more verbose
21:20:31NicoFRhmmm interesting
21:20:33NicoFRlots of text
21:20:37NicoFRill dump it to a file
21:21:46NicoFRfunny... it didn't show the text again and then it now builds fine with just "make"
21:22:12NicoFR(i only added brickmania so now i'll try with rockcalendar)
21:24:41lostlogicgah −− I need Linus for this.
21:27:13NicoFRwell this time it's gone into an infinite loop
21:28:29NicoFRcan i paste the repeating pattern ?
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21:30:53linuxstbTry http://pastebin.com/
21:31:26NicoFRhttp://pastebin.com/505786
21:31:36NicoFRthis pattern keeps on repeating
21:32:46preglowanyone had a shot at fixing the libmad related problem that got reported yesterday?
21:35:50linuxstbNicoFR: Sorry, I've got no suggestions.
21:36:21linuxstbpreglow: Is that the MAD_GUARD_BUFFER thing?
21:36:31NicoFRwell your tip was helpful... now i can compile brickmania and i get mor info :)
21:37:58preglowlinuxstb: aye
21:41:15NicoFRwell i really can't rockcalendar to compile...
21:41:23NicoFRstill this infinite loop
21:41:41NicoFRand i can't get brickmania to break the build anymore :-p
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22:32:14lostlogicw00t. progress is.
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22:32:59muesli__lostlogic hum?
22:33:12lostlogicI'm working on power management in the h3x0 and I've finally made progress.
22:33:21muesli__:D
22:33:24Midgey34usb charging?
22:33:46LinusNlostlogic: nice
22:33:52muesli__LinusN http://daniel.haxx.se/m3-sida1.jpg all we need is a translator ;-)
22:34:05lostlogicLinusN: YAY you're here! Having trouble with trying to use the secondary interrupt controller in H3x0... where would I catch an interrupt from the pcf50606?
22:34:08LinusNold stuff
22:34:40LinusNnot sure, i haven't traced the irq pin
22:35:09lostlogicahhh, ok... not strictly necessary, but interrupt driven charge control would be preferable to me than polling based. will poll for now.
22:35:56LinusNremind me to trace those pins when i have more time
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22:36:27LinusNafk
22:36:33perplexitythat would reqire us actually _knowing_ when you have more time :)
22:36:35lostlogicI will... unless I get a multimeter and probes to trace it myself on my fried H340 board.
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22:51:06Owner_hi
22:51:30Owner_anybody here?
22:51:36Bagderyes
22:51:39Owner_hi
22:51:51Owner_how do i make a theme file?
22:51:58Owner_so i can use other wps
22:52:18Bagderyou don't need to make "a theme file" for that
22:52:26Bagderjust create a new wps file and "play" it
22:52:50Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
22:53:38Owner_ok thanks
22:53:40Owner_cya
22:53:51Owner_hey can i play gbc games
22:53:55Owner_and use the save option?
22:54:00Owner_will it save my game?
22:54:10Owner_like a gameboy?
22:54:12Bagderyou considered reading the FAQ?
22:54:33Owner_lol
22:54:36Owner_not yet
22:54:52Owner_well can i save?..
22:55:14Owner_:\
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22:58:25preglowi think feel some rockbox time coming up
22:58:31preglowso, what to work on, eq or ipod
22:58:48Bagderdo the funnier thing
22:58:51*RotAtoR whispers muuuuusepack
22:58:59RotAtoR;)
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23:00:08thegeekhehe
23:01:15lostlogicpreglow: you should tell me why the this chip constantly tells me a charger is connected on one register, but not on another register.
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23:01:29*linuxstb prods preglow towards the fiq and ipod audio driver...
23:03:26*amiconn asks preglow about the status of speex ;)
23:03:56amiconnI'm thinking about a feature for H3x0
23:04:29amiconnLike backlight fading for the H1x0, we could have a 'half-bright phase' before switching off the display completely
23:04:55amiconnMy mobile phone does this, and it's pleasant
23:07:42preglowamiconn: i've got a half-ported speex lying around here, but it turned out to be a bit harder than i'd thought
23:07:51preglowperhaps speex is more fixed point friendly these days
23:07:53*preglow checks out
23:08:59preglowwhy, indeed, the newest release does indeed list fixed point fixes
23:09:09amiconnI found another thing: the progress bar in the wps doesn't adapt to the font height (unlike the peakmeter)
23:09:32amiconnShould be a quick fix; I'll look at that (after the plugin loader)
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23:36:17Rob2222_how can i make that no BOOTLOADER USB MODE comes when connecting USB?
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23:37:00muesli__amiconn backlightfading for h3xx would rule!
23:37:18amiconnSoft fading isn't possible, unfortunately
23:37:50amiconnThe possible steps for backlight brightness are too coarse, and we have no direct LED control
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23:38:44muesli__:-/ i loved that h1xx fading
23:38:54Rob2222_Help. When I set my H300 in my docking station it immidiately fires up "BOOTLOADER USB MODE"
23:39:03Rob2222_But I only want to charge.
23:39:10Rob2222_Is there a key combo?
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23:40:08LinusNRob2222_: hold REC when you insert it
23:40:26Rob2222_Ah, Linus is on.
23:40:37Rob2222_I almost was sure there IS a button. :)
23:41:09Rob2222_ah, iriver FW
23:41:11Rob2222_kk
23:41:48Rob2222_:)
23:43:58lostlogicdoes snprintf in rockbox not have a %f conversoin?
23:44:16amiconnno, it doesn't
23:44:36lostlogicat least I'm not insane. thanks
23:45:58preglowhaha
23:46:01preglowwhy're you using floats? :P
23:46:13linuxstbHello float police.
23:46:22lostlogicjust to display battery voltage pretty in my new PCF display thingus.
23:53:49lostlogicLinusN: sorta confirmation that the H3x0 does run off of the charger when it's connected: I connected it, it reached full charge, the charger was set to idle (by my neat new code), and the battery voltage held exactly where it had been. after a while, I got bored, and removed the charger plug and the voltage immediately dropped off.
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23:56:16amiconnToday I found a strange bug on recorder v1 (during repeated occurence of the low-bat OFF event bug)
23:57:10amiconnObviously it might happen that if a track is stopped a split second before it really ends, the resume info doesn't advance to the next track, but the time pointer does
23:58:13amiconnSo, the wps e.g. displayed Track 6, position 5:20 (of 5:00), but actual playback was Track 7, position 0:20
23:58:59amiconnThis then didn't change no matter how often I stopped and resumed. An fresh start of playback then did

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