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#rockbox log for 2006-02-10

00:00:10ts|goneah ok, what did you do then?
00:00:32Shadowarrior13Ah, there it is.
00:01:42lostlogichmm... doesn't attempt settings save @ < 10%
00:02:10stevebts|gone: i wasnt identified when i joined so i assume he saw that
00:02:12 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer")
00:02:20ts|gone[23:59:36] <@ts|gone> maybe your client registerd it when he joined w/o the cloak?
00:02:35ts|gonesteveb: If you ever use Xchat... check out this script: http://old.homeip.net/martin/smallprojects/antiaway.py
00:02:45stevebi will never use xchat
00:02:56stevebthats a given.
00:02:57ts|goneit stops the channel from getting hilighted on "* someone is away"
00:03:10stevebthere are irssi scripts for things like that
00:03:20stevebi have one that bans on away messages
00:03:27ts|goneghehe
00:03:44ts|goneon my net we code bots for that... but that's because it's a very tech-related net :)
00:03:49stevebirssi is the best irc client. ever.
00:08:21lostlogich3x0 and h1x0 have the same basic power management problems, right?
00:08:46ts|goneproblems?
00:10:36lostlogicthe player has a habit of suddenly shutting down when the battery is lowish
00:10:40lostlogicfor no really good reason
00:11:32lostlogicdpassen1: I'll have to either get the submitter to do some work on this patch, or do some myself... full of good ideas, but not the best execution.
00:11:52dpassen1I'm just glad steps are being taken.
00:12:05dpassen1This is the only 'issue' I still have with RockBox on my 120.
00:12:07steveblostlogic: is the fact that the battery is low not a good enough reason?
00:12:17 Quit Henrico ("gtkBitchX: the ONLY IRC client on Viagra!")
00:12:55Shadowarrior13Ok, that was a complete failure. Time to try again.
00:13:31lostlogicsteveb: no good reason to me is because the battery is not at a critical level...
00:13:58lostlogicthe problem is that LiIon has major voltage fluctiations under heavy current draw as it gets even moderately low.
00:17:13Shadowarrior13Yay, blue screen.,
00:17:19*Shadowarrior13 hugs nearest member
00:18:15Shadowarrior13Where's the rockbox.zip for the 5g?
00:18:39linuxstb_You have to compile it yourself.
00:18:53Shadowarrior13Damn.
00:19:37XavierGrI swear that yesterday the sim had the targets skin
00:19:48XavierGrnow it has only the display
00:20:30linuxstb_It's now optional - check the cvs logs
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00:22:01Shadowarrior13Me, or him?
00:22:43linuxstb_him
00:22:47Shadowarrior13K.
00:28:03 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!")
00:29:26XavierGrwow new score! I missed that
00:29:42 Quit ender` (" Variables won't. Constants aren't.")
00:30:34Shadowarrior13Alright, I've come to a conclusion.
00:30:38Shadowarrior13I suck at life.
00:30:57XavierGrwhy?
00:31:23Shadowarrior13Compiling on windows is HORRIBLE :P
00:32:11XavierGrcygwin?
00:32:16Shadowarrior13I hate it.
00:32:37XavierGrwell it is better than the Devkit, lol
00:32:40Shadowarrior13But I'm using it. and I'm stupid at programming/compiling.
00:32:55Shadowarrior13Which is why I suck at life.
00:33:18XavierGrone thing at a time. At first I couldn't compile it myself
00:33:48Shadowarrior13Dude, do you already have it compiled?
00:34:02Shadowarrior13I'm just gonna start bitching around for a precompiled version.
00:34:06Shadowarrior13>.>
00:34:07XavierGrhaha
00:34:17XavierGrwhat are you trying to compile?
00:34:20XavierGrI mean which target
00:34:25Shadowarrior135G
00:34:45XavierGrdid you read the how to set up a cygwin environment?
00:35:02Shadowarrior13Yeah, my cygwin/computer just doesn't like...things.
00:35:17preglowcygwin makes me want to jump off a cliff
00:35:18Shadowarrior13:P
00:35:22Shadowarrior13Amen.
00:35:26 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:36:40XavierGrwell at my case following the guide was just straight forward
00:36:55 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection)
00:37:06XavierGrI read the guide yesterday and then I set up cygwin
00:37:20XavierGras we are talking I am compiling various sims and targets
00:37:25Shadowarrior13My problem is that I've set it up once, and it won't reinstall againb :P
00:37:28Shadowarrior13again*
00:37:59XavierGrdelete the whole cygwin folder and start again. (I hope you kept the packages)
00:38:13preglowwww.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.zip
00:38:21Shadowarrior13:O
00:38:38Shadowarrior13Is that what I think it is?
00:38:50preglowyeah, twenty completely insane viruses
00:38:56preglowjust unzip and enjoy
00:39:02Shadowarrior13....not *quite* what I was thinking.
00:39:17XavierGryou gave a link to viruses?
00:39:26Shadowarrior13But if it is, then I dub thee infinitely sexy.
00:39:27*preglow gives XavierGr a link to sarcasm
00:39:42XavierGrlol
00:40:05Shadowarrior13teh sexin355.
00:40:11preglowi'm hot, yes
00:40:14preglowno denying that
00:40:39preglowdon't make love to me just yet, though, it's my first ipod video build, and might not work
00:40:48Shadowarrior13At least it's a start :P
00:41:48 Quit Genre9mp3 ()
00:42:04Shadowarrior13lol
00:42:16Shadowarrior13It loads a little picture of a USB cable
00:42:25Shadowarrior13And the time :P
00:43:21preglowrecommend you don't keep the usb cable inserted
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00:43:32preglowsince that's more or less going to make it a bit unresponsive
00:43:43Shadowarrior13Well, it was never inserted in the first place :P
00:43:50preglownice...
00:43:50Shadowarrior13It's not doing much, really.
00:43:54Shadowarrior13Just chilling.
00:44:00preglowwith the usb logo?
00:44:03Shadowarrior13Yup.
00:44:27preglowcan i ask you if you're sure the usb cable is unplugged again without insulting your intelligence?
00:44:28Shadowarrior13Loads with a yellow rockbox logo, then switches to the USB.
00:44:40*preglow kicks linuxstb
00:44:45Shadowarrior13rofl
00:44:50Shadowarrior13Yes, it's still unplugged :P
00:45:08preglowkeep select and menu pressed until reboots and say "take 2" out loud
00:45:19Shadowarrior13Already did ^_^
00:45:28preglowthen repeat with "take 3"
00:45:32Shadowarrior13Hahaha
00:45:36Shadowarrior13This would be take 4.
00:45:58preglowweeell, i'll just leave you with linuxstb, then
00:46:03Shadowarrior13XD
00:46:27preglowhe's the only other one with a video around here
00:46:38Shadowarrior13Kays, I'll bitch at him for a while.
00:46:42Shadowarrior13*cough*
00:46:57preglowdo so
00:47:05Shadowarrior13d000000d. linuxstb.
00:47:08Shadowarrior13I love you.
00:47:27Shadowarrior13<3
00:48:05Shadowarrior13Crap, he's not even here :P
00:48:05ShyKa lotta lovin going on in here
00:48:57preglownot here? there's even two of him
00:49:02preglowShyK: we're like that
00:49:13*preglow strokes ShyK
00:49:15 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC")
00:49:20Shadowarrior13Not anymore.
00:49:30ShyKpreglow: not in front of everyone
00:50:39ShyKyou know how shy i get
00:52:44preglowtime for bed
00:52:46preglowgnight
00:52:55ShyKshhh don't tell everyone!
00:52:59ShyKgnight
00:53:42Shadowarrior13Woa, is that kingstone I spy?
00:53:46Shadowarrior13That's nuts.
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00:54:04Shadowarrior13I bet HE'D have a compiled 5G rockbox.
00:54:16midkaywhat? someone needs a compiled 5g rockbox?
00:54:26Shadowarrior13<−−−−-him.
00:54:53midkaygimme like.. 5 minutes
00:55:07midkaytesting out cygwin dev environment for the first time, if no go then i can reboot to linux for that
00:55:13Shadowarrior13lol, thanks a million.
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01:01:22XavierGrwhy the keys on the ipod colour sim are inverted?
01:03:05linuxstbShadowarrior13: This works fine for me: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip
01:03:13Shadowarrior13:O
01:03:44linuxstbXavierGr: I've spotted that, but was too lazy to change the bitmaps...
01:03:52Shadowarrior13You're even sexier...
01:04:03linuxstbDon't start that again....
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01:04:21Shadowarrior13But PAUL
01:04:27Shadowarrior13Paul is the sexiest.
01:06:02Paul_The_NerdOf course I am.
01:06:59Shadowarrior13Damnit, it's still just showing the USB thing.
01:07:51Shadowarrior13*waits for midkay's compile"
01:07:58midkayShadowarrior13, that build is about 3 weeks old, FYI
01:08:01midkayabout done compiling..
01:08:11Shadowarrior13lol
01:09:08midkaydone.. i'll put it on yousendit i guess
01:09:24***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:09:28Shadowarrior13Yay
01:10:26Paul_The_NerdWhat's being worked on?
01:10:44Shadowarrior13Trying to put teh rockboxiness on my 5G iPod.
01:10:52linuxstbShadowarrior13 is making everyone compile Rockbox for him...
01:10:57Shadowarrior13XD
01:11:01Shadowarrior13It's how I roll.
01:11:42Gursikhisn't that what the "daily builds" page is for?
01:11:58midkaynot for video ipods, no..
01:12:00midkayfor some reason
01:12:02Shadowarrior13No daily build for the 5G.
01:12:06Paul_The_NerdGursikh: There's not a daily for 5g. Also, generally speaking, if you can't compile it yourself there's probably very little use in putting it on a 5g
01:12:14Shadowarrior13*cough*
01:12:28Gursikhah
01:12:31XavierGrPaul how the yesterday's metting was?
01:12:48Shadowarrior13Crap, brb
01:12:50Shadowarrior13Keep going :P
01:12:57 Quit Shadowarrior13 ()
01:13:06Paul_The_NerdXavierGr: It did not go well. But, such is life.
01:13:22midkaywtf, where did he go!!
01:13:24XavierGrOuch,,,
01:13:43XavierGrI am sorry to hear that Paul.
01:13:44midkaywhat didn't go well?
01:14:07Paul_The_NerdNothing so important.
01:14:31midkaysorry to hear it in any case..
01:14:55Paul_The_NerdThanks
01:18:44 Part LinusN
01:21:55kkurbjunnew midi patch on sourceforge
01:22:40Gursikhhey Paul_The_Nerd, the original creator of the patch has updated it on the tracker (just for your information)
01:23:04Paul_The_NerdGursikh: That's good then. :)
01:23:11Paul_The_Nerdkkurbjun: Is it realtime?
01:24:01kkurbjunPaul: for most of the files I was testing it was
01:24:01midgey34kkurbjun: you forgot to attach it
01:24:12kkurbjunmidgey: thanks
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01:24:32 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox!")
01:24:42 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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01:24:58kkurbjunmidgey34: it's on there now
01:25:26XavierGrso is this patch with original creator changes?
01:25:35JdGordonwho went and cleaned out the patch tracker?
01:25:57kkurbjunXavierGr: I don't understand the question
01:26:02XavierGrit is down at the moment.
01:26:26XavierGr10[02:22] Gursikh: 01hey Paul_The_Nerd, the original creator of the patch has updated it on the tracker (just for your information)
01:26:35XavierGrI thought it said it about the midi plugin
01:26:53GursikhXavierGr: oh no sorry, the mactidy/disktidy plugin
01:27:07XavierGranyway kkburjun any optimizations in it?
01:27:15Gursikhoh, it's gone now...
01:27:54kkurbjunyes, a few, most of the work was in getting output inside rockbox though. Not much needed to be done to get it playing realtime
01:28:17XavierGrso you think you can make it realtime?
01:28:19kkurbjunI would like to use it in doom if I can ever get the two paired fast enough
01:28:36kkurbjunit is realtime on most of the files I tested
01:28:49XavierGralso does it now play the file or it will just export the audio in a wav file?
01:29:42kkurbjunanyway, I have to go, hopefully later tonight I'll be able to put an update for doom online. It plays the file; no wav writing.
01:29:55XavierGrnice indeed!
01:30:23XavierGrDo you think that you will optimize it more? Is the playback at 44.1Khz?
01:32:09kkurbjunthe playback is at 11025 now. I couldn't tell much of a difference between that and 22050 so I stepped it down. I think the patches are in 11025Hz anyway. I would like to optimize it more, but we'll see. The goal for me is to be able to use it in doom.
01:32:09 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
01:32:52XavierGrI remember a great degrade in audio in 11025. But I will test your patch to see for myself
01:34:01kkurbjunXavierGr: I wasn't testing with wav recording so I'm sure the difference could be much more noticable, eitherway, I was looking to make the plugin at least work on the target
01:34:07XavierGrkkurbjun: I got an error on compile time. What's your target?
01:34:27kkurbjunH300
01:34:30kkurbjunwhat's the error?
01:34:53XavierGrH100 mine: In file included from midi2wav.c:33:
01:34:53XavierGrmidi/midiutil.c: In function `printf':
01:34:53XavierGrmidi/midiutil.c:232: error: `va_list' undeclared (first use in this function)
01:34:55XavierGrand more
01:35:00XavierGrI will try a clean make
01:35:11kkurbjunoh, I forgot about the doom patch
01:35:28kkurbjunit needs the same patch to cvs that doom needs
01:35:47kkurbjunyou can just make the printf an empty function if you want to get it working
01:35:57XavierGrokay I will try
01:36:05kkurbjunbut you won't see any of the status information
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01:36:27XavierGrcan you update it tomorrow?
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02:04:42T-canso rockbox works on 4g greyscale ipods?
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02:12:56midkayT-can, yes, but i'm unsure as to how well..
02:13:27BHSPitLappyT-can: that makes you a perfect candidate to be a tester :)
02:14:26T-canhaha, i just noticed a need for 4g B&W ipods for testing :)
02:14:32T-canin the forums
02:15:09T-canalso seems like a reasonably stable version of rockbox for 4g has only been out for 2 days :yikes:
02:15:12*steveb <3 rockbox
02:15:26stevebdoom makes voiding the warrenty worthwhile
02:15:33*T-can :yikes: @ testing
02:15:41T-canbut ya, id be willing to test
02:15:51T-cani already have linux and podzilla on
02:15:52midkayT-can, it's completely safe
02:15:57T-canand ive hacked the crap outta my strings
02:16:06midkayhaha
02:16:25T-canand im not sure if i really like IPL that much
02:16:33T-canthere is no sleep
02:16:40T-cani have to reboot each time i want to start it
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02:17:07Kensiryea
02:17:09Kensirthats a pain
02:17:20T-cani have been hunting for a mod for that
02:17:23T-cannothing
02:17:34Kensirdamn 5gs arent supported anywhere
02:17:55Kensirim psyched about rockbox though
02:18:01 Quit Gursikh ()
02:18:02Kensirseems much more active than iPL
02:18:10T-canwhen is Apple gunna release sourcecode, thats what i wanT!!!
02:18:27T-cani do like a lot of the features on IPL
02:18:47T-canand there 4g version on IPL has been around for a awhile and is very stable
02:19:31midkaywhat sort of features?
02:20:09KensirI'm too lazy to compile Rockbox.zip source...I'm off to restore this thing
02:20:32midkayhuh?
02:20:38Kensirfor the 5g
02:20:43Kensirthey dont have the rockbox.zip
02:20:54midkaywait
02:20:58Kensirand im not compiling the source myself
02:20:59midkayhttp://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PW50JQYCEHJT0V8PPN2QPJWV3
02:21:03midkayfreshly compiled
02:21:07Kensirk
02:21:08Kensirthanks!
02:21:11T-canwell, im not sure what rockbox has for features, but i reall like the appereance settings on IPL
02:21:16midkayfrom an hour or so ago, was for someone else but they left.. *shrugs*
02:21:24Kensirhuh
02:21:26T-canalong with batt tweaks, fonts
02:21:28Paul_The_NerdMan, everyone with their "I like pretty more than feature rich"
02:21:29Kensirwell im now that special someone
02:21:30*Paul_The_Nerd mutters.
02:21:41T-canwheel sense. adjustment
02:21:51midkayKensir, exactly :)
02:22:09T-canplus everything in file browser
02:22:35T-canbut like i said, i have no clue what rockbox has for features so they might have some of this stuff
02:23:05Paul_The_NerdMost of the Rockbox features are listed at the site.
02:23:38Paul_The_NerdAnd mainly relate to things like "Parametric Equalizer" "Replaygain" "Gapless playback" etc.
02:23:43T-canthe only REAL complaint i have about IPL is the whole sleep/turn on/reboot deal and when you are playing a song, pressing Menu to go back to view artists or whatever will stop playback of the song
02:24:02Paul_The_NerdAnd the wide variety of formats supported
02:24:06Kensiryea
02:24:54T-cananyone have a features list for rockbox, i cant seem to find one on their site
02:25:11midkayT-can, in the end there's a lot more I believe, maybe some stuff isn't working yet, but it's just starting out for ipods
02:25:44midkayT-can, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison - no ipod column though
02:25:52midkaygives you an idea, basically the same between iriver and ipod
02:25:59Paul_The_NerdIt's also a little bit out of date.
02:26:11Paul_The_NerdBut, close enough
02:28:00T-canyou can load another firmware without rebooting??
02:28:03T-canthats pretty cool
02:28:22midkayanother rockbox firmware..
02:28:26Paul_The_NerdWell, right now that doesn't work on iPod
02:28:56T-cangotcha
02:29:01Paul_The_NerdTheoretically it could allow you to launch Linux from Rockbox, but right now because of the way the memory is remapped, you can't even load rockbox from within itself I believe. RoLo needs some adaption I've been told
02:29:58Paul_The_NerdBut it can be used to test out changes easily, on the players it works with
02:30:21T-canso people have already successfully put it on 4g BW right?
02:30:35Paul_The_NerdYes
02:31:00Paul_The_NerdI remember a small change was needed for the contrast, but I think that's in CVS now.
02:31:07T-canya, same with IPL
02:31:29Paul_The_NerdWell, the default had just been set too low
02:31:52T-candoes rockbox have the batt and CPU tweak?
02:32:20Paul_The_NerdA) Define "batt and CPU tweak"
02:33:50T-canbatt tweak shows millivolt draw of batt where batt meter would be
02:34:10T-canCPU tweak shows a rough estimate of CPU usage
02:34:21Paul_The_NerdNaah
02:34:29T-canthese were both availible through ipodwizard
02:34:46Paul_The_NerdOn the iRiver players, the processor is run at a relatively slow speed (~1/3 of the maximum speed) and it's boosted up when necessary. Something similar will probably be done on iPod, but hasn't been implemented yet.
02:34:57BHSPitLappyyou can't even see the battery power in ipod
02:35:01BHSPitLappyin rockbox, that is
02:35:07BHSPitLappy(for the ipod)
02:35:10Paul_The_NerdYet
02:35:15T-canhuh
02:35:17Paul_The_NerdIt's just a matter of "nobody's bothered"
02:35:21Paul_The_NerdSince all the code is there.
02:35:24Paul_The_NerdFrom iPod linux.
02:36:01T-canya, im pretty sure both of the tweaks are hidden somewhere in ipod strings
02:36:04BHSPitLappyT-can: have you started trying to install
02:36:15T-cani was just about to ask if i should
02:36:22BHSPitLappyT-can: actually, they're mostly pretty unimpressive tweaks.
02:36:28T-canya, i know
02:36:40Paul_The_NerdT-can: Well, Rockbox has nothing to do with the original firmware, so it's really not related in any way to things like "the battery tweak"
02:36:41T-canbut i think at least the batt tweak is more accurate than the meter
02:36:47T-cank
02:36:59BHSPitLappyfor example,'disable seep sleep mode' works by screwing up a file that it checks before deep sleeping
02:37:08T-cani see
02:37:38BHSPitLappygo ahead and start messing with rockbox though
02:37:40T-canso for installing rockbox, i think im just gunna delete all IPL files then just re-update apple firmware
02:37:45T-canyep
02:37:51BHSPitLappywait what?
02:37:56BHSPitLappyleave linux alone, numbnuts
02:38:05BHSPitLappyand your firmware
02:38:13jaebirdAre people still waiting on me??
02:38:38T-cancan i leave IPL on and still install RB?
02:38:46BHSPitLappyo'course.
02:39:15T-canand ipod would work with 3 OS's on it????
02:39:16BHSPitLappyall you're lined up to do is make_fw yourself another firmware partition
02:39:22T-canok ok ok
02:39:23BHSPitLappymine does :)
02:39:40BHSPitLappydo you have make_fw sitting around?
02:39:47T-canno
02:39:57BHSPitLappyyou can get it from rockbox's site too, then
02:40:02BHSPitLappybut they call it ipod_fw here
02:40:06T-cank
02:40:24BHSPitLappyalso, since the 4G's so new you might be stuck building rockbox yourself, from cvs
02:41:07Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy: One thing, he needs a clean boot partition to start from, unless he's using iPodLoader2 and just wants to continue with that.
02:42:28XavierGrsomeone inform safetydan that even if I launch rockboxui.exe with −−background the remote screen isn't displayed
02:42:30jaebirdhey I'm going to make B4gder a 4g 2bpp pic for the daily page...is there an original somewhere for the color...the one online is really small.
02:46:03T-cancan anyone validate the claim that IPL eats up more battery then rockbox?
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02:47:49Paul_The_NerdT-can: I'd be surprised if it did. Right now Rockbox runs one processor at full speed constantly. On a Nano, Rockbox gets about 7.5 hours of playback, if that's in any way helpful.
02:49:46T-cando you know what nano is rated for for hours of playback?
02:50:08Paul_The_NerdApple advertises at 14 as a maximum.
02:50:32Paul_The_NerdBut, bear in mind, my test was with Q8 (256kbps) Ogg, theirs is with 128kbps AAC.
02:57:44jaebirdI added http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus for a place to keep updated info about the status of Ipod models...so we don't get questions like "is the 5g play audio?"
02:58:00jaebirddude read the wiki!
02:58:45Paul_The_Nerdjaebird: It's locked. I was gonna add in Nano status.
02:59:16jaebirdTry again...
03:00
03:00:11jaebirdPaul_The_Nerd: I have a 4g gray icon for the daily page...where should I put it?
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03:00:53Jungti1234http://www.drawball.com/ hehe
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03:02:41Paul_The_Nerdjaebird: I think you just have to wait for the right person to be around... I believe it Bagder, but I may be wrong. As well, updated your IpodStatus page.
03:02:57jaebirdsaw it...
03:03:24jaebirdI'm still amazed how quickly Ipod came to Rockbox!
03:03:33jaebirdor the other way around
03:04:19Paul_The_NerdWell, Preglow and Linuxstb have done some exceptional work.
03:04:21T-canya
03:04:24jaebirdI will post the image...and hopefully B4gder will find it
03:04:33T-canin the forums, it said 2 days ago stuff was still shakey
03:04:39T-canseems good now
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03:05:01T-canwhat build should I use for my 4g BW?
03:05:39Paul_The_NerdT-can: I *think* you have to actually build it yourself right now. I could be wrong.
03:06:08*BHSPitLappy agrees
03:06:17T-candamn, if I had known that, I would have not started this at 9:00 at night
03:06:18BHSPitLappyT-can: have you installed the bootloader?
03:06:21T-canyep
03:06:27BHSPitLappyso there's no problem then really
03:06:36BHSPitLappyyou're back at a state like you were before
03:06:44BHSPitLappymade sure apple and linux both still boot properly?
03:06:56jaebirdThere is a 4g grascale Ipod image at http://gdl.imeem.net/g/4fd8b78142f57cae95788383466f2716.jpg
03:07:11T-canapple firmware boots good
03:07:15T-canbut displays weird
03:07:20T-canmirrored image
03:07:23BHSPitLappyhahaha
03:07:29T-canwith a little bit of RB stuff on the left
03:07:33BHSPitLappyi wouldn't call that "good"
03:07:41Paul_The_NerdHrm
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03:07:43BHSPitLappylatest bootloader?
03:07:47T-canyep
03:07:51BHSPitLappypositive?
03:07:55Paul_The_NerdI thought that'd been fixed. If you downloaded a precompiled bootloader though, it *may* be out of date.
03:07:58BHSPitLappyfresh from cvs?
03:08:07T-cannot positive
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03:08:44BHSPitLappyI can try to build you one
03:08:53T-canhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
03:08:57T-cangot everything off there
03:09:00T-canit all looks up todate
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03:10:29jaebirdI'm building a 4g gray now...
03:10:37BHSPitLappyjaebird: boot or rockbox?
03:10:44BHSPitLappyI'm building a 4g gray bootloader
03:10:51jaebirdboth...
03:10:56BHSPitLappyoh, carry on
03:11:00BHSPitLappybuild died...
03:11:18BHSPitLappyhmm I've gotten this before, don't remember how i fixed it
03:11:29BHSPitLappy"out of memory!"
03:12:30T-canso the bootloader on that page isnt good?
03:12:31Paul_The_NerdWhat patches have you applied?
03:12:38Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy, rather
03:12:42BHSPitLappyPaul_The_Nerd: not sure
03:12:45Paul_The_NerdT-can: It may be out of date, possibly
03:12:47BHSPitLappyi''ll take em off
03:13:04Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy: Doom will cause that unless you change your plugin buffer cap.
03:13:11T-canlooks like it was updated today
03:13:18BHSPitLappyi didn't
03:13:24BHSPitLappy(try doom)
03:13:51jaebirdjust built both bootloader and firmware...no issues on the build...installing
03:16:39T-canjae, what did you use for rockbox build???
03:17:01jaebirdI used cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel
03:17:22jaebirdwhich works great by the way...the contrast issue is fixed
03:17:36BHSPitLappywell there you go
03:17:53BHSPitLappyjaebird: do you have the ability to replace the file that's on the wiki
03:18:08T-canthat would be appreciated
03:18:13jaebirdwhat file...?
03:18:41BHSPitLappythe working bootloader
03:18:59BHSPitLappysince the one T-can picked up is outdated
03:19:13jaebirdno I have no permissions...but I can put it somewhere else
03:19:23Paul_The_NerdIf it's in the wiki, you don't need permissions
03:19:49jaebirdwhat is the url?
03:19:54T-canhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
03:20:16jaebirdah yes...please hold!
03:20:20T-canhaha
03:20:37BHSPitLappyPaul_The_Nerd: jae's the one with the file ;)
03:20:43BHSPitLappywhoops
03:20:54BHSPitLappysorry, i misunderstood the point
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03:21:26Paul_The_NerdHehehe
03:21:28Paul_The_Nerd'sokay
03:23:00T-canwhere can i get rockbox.zip?
03:23:26BHSPitLappypossibly from jaebird, the current holder of the most recent build ;)
03:23:46T-canDUH, lost my head for a second
03:24:05jaebirdis there now called: bootloader-4ggray.bin
03:24:49jaebirdyou want the rockbox.zip too? sheesh :)
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03:27:25jaebirdOk, ya'll both files are there bootloader-4ggray.bin and rockbox-4ggray.zip
03:27:37T-canthx
03:27:51T-canuh oh, ipod updater cant find my ipod :(
03:28:02jaebird?
03:28:38T-cani was going to get original apple firmware back
03:28:44T-canthen just reinstall everything
03:29:06T-cani downgraded sys but updater says "please connect ipod"
03:30:54Paul_The_NerdI've found that if you get that, reformatting the iPod can fix it.
03:30:58T-canshould i go into disk mode?
03:31:06Paul_The_NerdIf you can't get it back any other way
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03:31:18T-canya, i dont think i can
03:31:21T-canbye bye music :(
03:31:29T-cani hope rockbox is worth it
03:31:38midkaywhat>
03:32:04Paul_The_NerdT-can: Well, I mean, ideally you should've saved your bootpartition.bin
03:32:09Paul_The_NerdWhich you can then just restore onto it.
03:32:23T-canya, i didnt
03:32:32T-canbut i do have a IPL backup i think
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03:37:58T-canso all the new versions of bootloader and rockbox.zip are on the wiki right?
03:38:33BHSPitLappyT-can: did you restore already?
03:38:36BHSPitLappybecause that's just stupid.
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03:39:28T-cannope
03:39:50T-canwhats the alternative??
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03:40:56T-canwell, i guess i should atleast see if that old version of the bootloader was OK
03:45:11T-canROLO error: Checksum Error
03:47:03Paul_The_NerdWhy were you ROLOing?
03:47:15BHSPitLappycause they taste good?
03:47:23Paul_The_NerdHahaha
03:47:33T-canand still wont connect
03:47:37Paul_The_NerdT-can: Rockbox is a filetree browser. That's actually the rockbox.ipod file.
03:47:41BHSPitLappyT-can: ... is it in diskmode?
03:47:47T-canno
03:47:53BHSPitLappyconnect to what?
03:48:01T-cancomputer
03:48:09BHSPitLappyit has to be in diskmode to connect...
03:48:14BHSPitLappyas an iPL user, you should know that
03:48:30BHSPitLappyhave you installed the good bootloader?
03:48:48T-canno, i havent gotten a chance to
03:49:12BHSPitLappywell there's no reason to format anything...
03:49:38T-cani havent yet
03:49:39BHSPitLappydo ipod_fw with the new loader and the same apple_os, and ipod-patcher it again
03:49:50BHSPitLappyand extract the zip to the root
03:50:02BHSPitLappyand put a linux nightly kernel in the root
03:50:12BHSPitLappy(named "linux.bin"
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04:00:15jaebirdT-can: did you get it working?
04:02:11T-canhaha, far from it
04:03:58BHSPitLappynothing difficult
04:04:29T-canim gettin there . .
04:04:35BHSPitLappylol mmk
04:05:53T-canit doesnt seem to want to create the rockboot.bin file correctly
04:06:58jaebirdare you using linux or windows?
04:07:07T-canwindows
04:07:19T-cani think its because i already took out the apple_os.bin file
04:07:26jaebirddarn...
04:07:29T-canso i cant replace it with the new one
04:07:32T-canya, no kiddin
04:08:01T-candamn, and I thought this was gunna take 20 minutes
04:08:26jaebirddo you have a linux live cd? like ubuntu?
04:08:38T-canno
04:09:00T-cani think that i just want to try to get apple firmware back on there tonight and i can mess around with rock box over the weekend
04:09:01jaebirdis it a regular ipod with nothing else (no ipl)?
04:09:06T-canright
04:09:10T-cani deleted IPL
04:09:27jaebirdso there isn't an extra IPL partition on there anymore?
04:09:28T-canit was regualr old apple firmware (with some minor string changes)
04:09:36T-cancorrect
04:09:44jaebirdand ipodpatcher is not working?
04:10:00T-canthe patcher is working
04:10:14T-canipod_fw is where i get caught up
04:10:40jaebirdin linux I do this: ipod_fw -g 4g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin ./bootloader/bootloader.bin
04:10:52T-canthats pretty much what i do
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04:10:56jaebirdwhere the bootloader is the thing you downloaded
04:11:09T-canand i get a "fread failed: No error"
04:11:20T-canhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
04:11:30jaebirdthis is before you even try to ram it into your pod?
04:11:33fanopnaichello! just wanted to report that the latest build does not playback any files on iriver H120. the version from the day before works though.
04:11:43T-canright right
04:11:56jaebirdhmm...what version of windows?
04:12:00T-cani think its because i already replaced apple_os.bin when i tried it first
04:12:05T-canso it has nothing to replace
04:12:08T-canXP home
04:12:19jaebirdit is not supposed to replace apple_os.bin
04:12:37T-cani thought thats what ipod_fw does
04:12:40jaebirdit is supposed to combine the apple_os.bin and bootloader.bin into the new rockboot.bin
04:12:52T-cangotcha
04:12:57jaebirdthe rockboot.bin is what you put onto the pod
04:13:06T-canso that must mean apple_os.bin isnt on my ipod anymore
04:13:20T-canbecause it does create a file, but the file has nothing in it
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04:13:55T-canis there anyway i can just get apple firmware back on?
04:14:04T-cani think i am going to save rockbox efforts for the weekend
04:14:29jaebirddid you try to put something on your ipod already?
04:14:41T-canwhat do you mean?
04:15:06jaebirdwell...extracting the firmware from you ipod should leave your ipod intact
04:15:21jaebirdunless you tried to 'upload' a messed up firmware already
04:15:50T-canwell, that old bootloader4g was supposedly not good
04:15:55T-canthats what i created
04:15:59T-canand thats what went onto my ipod
04:16:23jaebirddo you have the original bootloader.bin that you extracted with: ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin
04:17:18T-canno
04:18:00jaebirddo you have a gmail account? :)
04:18:32T-canno, sorry
04:18:35T-canhow big is the file?
04:18:56jaebirdwell...the apple_os.bin is 3.3 mb
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04:19:24jaebirdit is combined with the bootloader.bin to create the combined ipod booter
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04:19:57T-cani really just want to get apple firmware back
04:20:24jaebirdsince i have never done it in windows...i'm not sure if the files are compatable, although I would assume so
04:20:25T-cani can mess around with more over the weekend, i just want to be able to use my ipod at school tomorrow
04:21:05T-cani think ill have to use a USB format tool
04:21:10jaebirdif you have th apple_os.bin which is the thing that you ripped out of the original bootloadpod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
04:21:10jaebirder.bin with:
04:21:30jaebirdoops
04:21:41T-canya, im not sure if i have that apple.bin
04:21:58jaebirdcan you not get into usb disk mode so that it appears like a hdd?
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04:23:04jaebirdwhat does your ipod do if you boot it holding the "menu" down while booting?
04:23:07T-canya, i can
04:23:11T-canill check
04:23:45T-canya, it goes to the messup apple firmware
04:23:49T-can*messed up
04:23:55T-caneverything is backwards
04:24:01jaebirdneat
04:24:33jaebirddo you have your music backed up?
04:24:57T-canya
04:25:11jaebirdall is not lost, trust me...i used IPL for awhile and saw all kinda weird things.
04:25:20T-canalright
04:25:22jaebirdthe real firmware is locked in flash
04:25:30T-canso you think i should just format it??
04:25:37jaebirdthe stuff we call firmware is actually on the disk itself
04:25:41T-canya
04:25:58jaebirdit is probably recoverable without it, but if you need it quick and don't want to figure it out
04:26:08jaebirdyou can probably just do that...it is a hassle though
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04:26:20jaebirdnext time don't lose any of your bin files
04:26:26jaebirdthey come in handy for times like this!
04:26:30T-canhahahaha, lesson learned
04:26:43T-cani was good with backing everything up on IPL too
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04:26:51jaebirdsweet though
04:26:57T-cani guess i figured nothing would go wrong with this
04:26:59jaebirdtake a picture of it if you can :)
04:27:11T-canof the backwards stuff?
04:27:38jaebirdyeah...it would be nice to have when the ipod folks think their stuff is the best :)
04:27:51jaebirdSteve Jobs...take that :)
04:27:57T-canhaha
04:29:13T-canhuh, i just did a quick format and remnants of rockbox are still on it
04:30:12T-canand still cant connect to ipod updater
04:31:37jaebirdwhat version of the ipod updater are you using?
04:31:44T-can1-10
04:32:30jaebirdhmm, this is in disk mode correct? You can see it as a hdd?
04:32:41jaebirdformat has no affect, btw
04:32:54jaebirdthere is another partition that you don't see
04:33:04T-canyes, i can see it in HDD
04:33:18T-cani can still operate it, it just is all backwards
04:33:28T-canand looks like it still has rockbox on it
04:33:40jaebirdhave you done an updater before with the same setup?
04:33:51T-canyep
04:33:56T-canlots
04:34:28T-cannow it just says "plug in an ipod to update it"
04:34:38T-canbut its still recognized as an HDD in my computer
04:34:48jaebirdi'm not sure what to say at this point because the version i use is 3.23.05 updater
04:36:24jaebirdyou can fix it, you may need the apple_os.bin file though...and I have to go to bed now :(
04:37:09T-canalright
04:37:12T-canthanks for the help
04:37:13jaebirdif you can deal with it for now, we can figure it out. btw i'm at gmail same name
04:37:27T-canthanks
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04:43:16JdGordonis the 4g b+w rockbox,zip being compiled with the rest of the daily builds?
04:43:22JdGordonor sdo we have to compile it ourselfs?
04:43:27midkayyou could check the page
04:43:36JdGordononly colour and nano
04:43:49midkaythen the answer is no ;)
04:43:53midkayi can make it for you if you'd like
04:44:00JdGordonna, its ok
04:44:09midkayyou sure? pretty simple
04:44:15midkayalready checked it out and everything
04:44:23midkayi insist.
04:44:39midkaycompiling.
04:44:41JdGordonye, na, im trying to get a friend to install it, but she cant do the build by herself so ill witt untill its on the web b4 getting her to install it
04:45:18midkaygive me 5 minutes :)
04:45:26JdGordonna, dont worry
04:46:15midkayyou mean if i post it you won't use it?.. it's almost done
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04:51:32Jungti1234wow
04:52:04Jungti1234New Misticriver?
04:53:21JdGordongah, its only slighty better than the last 1 :p
04:53:55Jungti1234slighty?
04:54:51Jungti1234ah.. :)
04:55:18T-cangordon, someone just made the .bin and the .zip
04:55:35T-cani had the previous version and it royally EFFED up my 4g BW
04:55:43JdGordonhaha ok
04:55:44T-cancant due system restore or anything
04:55:57T-canbut im not sure if the new version is good or not
04:56:03T-canthe guy who made it was sjust in here
04:57:35midkaywhat?
04:57:48midkayhope it wasn't me.. because i posted a link to a 5g compile..
04:58:04T-canno no
04:58:15midkayand... you didn't get it fixed? boot to disk mode
04:58:31T-cani have
04:58:35T-canits in disk mode right now
04:58:39T-canive formatted too
04:58:43midkayso what's the prob?
04:58:46T-canit will show up as an HDD
04:58:46midkayneed a 5g version?
04:58:49midkay-5+4
04:58:59T-canbut when i do an updater
04:59:06midkaythat's fine, you just need to put a 4g version on it.. coming up in about.. 30 seconds
04:59:09T-canit says "plug in ipod for update"
04:59:19T-canno, ive tried with Jae's version
04:59:21midkayyou shouldn't have formatted it..
04:59:30midkaythat's probably a problem..
04:59:42T-cani cant merge the bootloader4g and apple_os.bin files
04:59:53midkayJdGordon, here's 4G compiled from few-hours-old source: http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3DLYBP0IAZ1FW0AD0ZNXS5NGBC
04:59:56T-canthe new bootloader.bin file isnt correctly mad
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05:00:02midkayi can make you one..
05:00:07JdGordonthanx
05:00:10midkaybut if the bootloader's already installed you shouldn't need to
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05:01:47midkaywhere did you get the other bootloader.bin, T-can?
05:01:57T-canthe old one?
05:02:01midkaythe broken one
05:02:04T-canit was on the site acouple of hours ago
05:02:19midkaytaken down?
05:02:21T-cani installed it with that bootloader
05:02:22midkaywhere at?
05:02:26T-canyeah, Jae has a new one up
05:02:38midkays..o... why aren't you using that one?
05:04:25T-cani tried
05:04:36T-can"fread failure: No error"
05:04:41T-canafter i type it into command
05:04:47midkayalso broken? are you sure you're entering commands properly? i think i got that before..
05:04:53T-cansomething is wrong with my apple_os.bin i think
05:05:09midkaydelete anything you already have except for your bootloader from the ipod..
05:05:16midkayunless you can get that again.
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05:05:29midkaydelete everything and do the whole thing over again. that was my problem i believe.
05:05:54CoasterMasterI've got an interesting problem with the iPod Nano port and I was wondering if anyone else had it.
05:06:07midkayCoasterMaster, let's hear it..
05:06:57CoasterMasterIf I plug the pod into my computer, it detects fine. When I copy MP3s over, they transfer as fast as they should (taking only a couple of seconds). If I copy Rockbox files (I'm loading the latest daily build on right now), it goes a lot slower. To transfer this build of Rockbox, it is taking about 10 minutes.
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05:08:59midkayCoasterMaster, i've got that too, not nearly ten minutes, but it takes considerably longer, i'm fairly sure due to the large number of small files to be copied (thus more need to be created), instead of just fewer larger files.
05:09:13midkayno so much data transferring as creating new files
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05:09:31CoasterMasterhmmmm, makes sense....when this is finished, I'll try copying a folder of some random text files and see how that goes over
05:10:04BHSPitLappyalso, make sure you're in the Apple OS disk mode, not the hardware disk mode
05:10:18midkayyeah, even a ton of 0-byte one.. BHSPitLappy: um, why?
05:10:28CoasterMasterI have the "Do Not Disconnect" screen on (from the apple firmware, I assume)
05:10:34T-canya, so now ipodpatcher cant even find my ipod
05:10:46midkayT-can, nice.. hmm..
05:10:53T-canya, no kiddin
05:11:00BHSPitLappymidkay: "um," because apple diskmode is muy muy faster?
05:11:05T-canthis is what i get for tryin rockbox . . .
05:11:11BHSPitLappylol
05:11:12BHSPitLappypoor thing
05:11:13midkayBHSPitLappy, ""um"", why is it muy muy faster?
05:11:33CoasterMasterdoes the iPod Updater detect your ipod?
05:11:44BHSPitLappymidkay: """um""", it's safe to speculate that apple and hardware diskmode use USB 2.0 and 1.1, respectively
05:11:54BHSPitLappytry copying a long song in each mode
05:11:57BHSPitLappyand time them
05:12:05T-canproblem solved!!!
05:12:10midkayBHSPitLappy, """"um"""", why would it be safe to assume that?
05:12:11T-candownloaded the 11-17 updater
05:12:13T-canworks
05:12:18T-cannow to restore!
05:12:32BHSPitLappymidkay: I'm gonna kick your ass
05:12:44CoasterMasterhow do I get to the "hardware" disk mode as opposed to the "apple os" disk mode?
05:12:57midkayoh, that's a nice reason. considering you can't come up with anything else.
05:13:02CoasterMasterThat, and why the hell is SimCity 4 so damn addicting?
05:13:06BHSPitLappymidkay: you're right, they're the same
05:13:23midkayno, surely you are.
05:13:27BHSPitLappynope
05:13:33BHSPitLappyyou were right, i was wrong
05:13:40midkayoh, thank you for clarifying.
05:13:50BHSPitLappy(whatever shuts this guy up...)
05:14:19midkaythanks for making it clear that you were kidding :) i couldn't have picked up on that otherwise :)
05:14:57T-canNOW BACK TO IPL!!!
05:15:02T-canfucking rockbox
05:15:05T-canfucking davechapman
05:15:13T-canwriting shitty .bins
05:15:20BHSPitLappyBagder: ping
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05:20:55BHSPitLappypity nobody was here to just kickban that retard.
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05:21:45midkayBHSPitLappy, yeah, _he_ is such a _retard_.
05:23:59CoasterMastermidkay: seems you were right....it was because there were a bunch of small files. I copied another random folder filled with a bunch of text files and it took awhile
05:24:20midkayCoasterMaster, cool, thx for confirming
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06:24:06jaebirdThe rockbox.zip and bootloader bin for the 4g grayscale at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation are on my ipod and work fine.
06:24:26jaebirdThey were uploaded 10 Feb
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06:42:25jso, i plugged my girlfriend's cellphone charger into my jukebox studio 10, and the polarity was wrong and fried the charger circuit. anyone have this problem?
06:51:21midkayj, i doubt anybody in here has that problem, but people have had it.. looking to replace it or something?
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06:53:04ji would like to fix the circuit if possible
06:54:14midkayhttp://www.connactivity.com/~eaw/archos_apart/
06:54:19midkayhere's instructions for a recorder
06:54:24midkayi'd expect it to be rather similar for a studio
06:54:28jmidkay, thanks
06:54:38midkayno problem
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07:03:01kkurbjunanother update for doom is now on sourceforge
07:04:38midkaykkurbjun, don't suppose it's on ipod 5g yet? ;)
07:05:44BHSPitLappyhow is it?
07:06:35kkurbjun: ), no, Paul_The_Nerd has been helping me work on getting an ipod version compiling, it's close, but still having some troubles.
07:06:50midkaykkurbjun, awesome :)
07:07:08midkayblah, probably slow as hell on the videos anyways..
07:07:30BHSPitLappyah
07:07:39kkurbjunI don't know much about the ipods, so I can't say either way.
07:07:50*BHSPitLappy like iDoom ;)
07:07:55BHSPitLappys/like/likes
07:08:01kkurbjundoes idoom have sound right now?
07:08:04BHSPitLappyno
07:08:08kkurbjunahh
07:08:27kkurbjun: ), well rockdoom finally has one up on it
07:08:41BHSPitLappyI can imagine it takes a toll on the speed
07:09:13kkurbjunnot much actually, there's a bit of a difference, but I have a feeling that most people won't notice it
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07:09:35kkurbjunI think it's as fast as the last version I compiled and released
07:10:32kkurbjuntime for bed, night
07:10:42midkaynight kkurbjun
07:10:54BHSPitLappynite nite
07:10:55BHSPitLappyand good work
07:11:03BHSPitLappy:D
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07:24:02midkayhooray. clock main menu = basically, done. that was painless.
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07:53:34Jungti1234Hi Bg3r
07:53:53midkayhey Bg3r
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09:03:46Bg3rLinusN morning :)
09:03:54LinusNmoo
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09:04:00Bg3rany news from iriver disassembling ?
09:04:03Bg3ruh :)
09:04:06midkay.... :)
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09:04:19midkaylet
09:04:25LinusNmoo again
09:04:29midkayhooray!
09:04:52JdGordonweeeeeeeeeeeee
09:04:55midkayi was going to suggest repeatedly /msg'ing you.. luckily you came back.. otherwise you would have been bombarded :)
09:05:48Bg3rany "news" from the iriver fw ?
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09:06:54midkayLinusN, so.. almost done with a major clock update (huge simplification... all operations are now based on a single main menu instead of keys and combos, also makes it easier to do iriver/ipod ports).. but i think i asked a long time ago: can i set the time from the plugin?.. if not, is it possible to add that to the API or something?
09:07:31Bg3rmidkay you should just add a func to the api ...
09:08:01Bg3rif it isn't there already
09:08:24midkayBg3r, mostly just clarifying that it's not there and that it's alright to add it.. if it's alright, i shall :)
09:08:52Bg3rjust look for it in plugin.h ...
09:08:53LinusNmidkay: rb->set_time(const struct tm *tm)
09:09:26midkaywhee.. now whatever the hell that means.. thanks, i'll dig around in plugin.c for specifics
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09:10:26LinusNmidkay: firmware/common/timefuncs.c contains the code
09:10:41midkayoh, and here i was checking settings.c - thanks :)
09:10:57LinusNgrep is your friend
09:11:04LinusNget aquainted
09:11:06midkay*using cygwin now* :)
09:11:09midkaybut yeah.
09:11:20LinusNcygwin has grep
09:11:26Bg3ras usual, LinusN said it before me
09:11:31midkayyeah, i thought of that after i said it :)
09:11:45*LinusN goes to fill a cup with black goo
09:11:49midkaywas considering grep simply for linux in general..
09:11:56midkayew, disgusting.
09:12:29Bg3rmidkay there was grep even in DOS's Borland C++ ...
09:12:49midkayBg3r, thanks, textpad has find in files as well as windows search, so.. i'm covered 300% :)
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09:30:52JdGordondoes any1 here listen to spineshank?
09:33:30B4gderfind . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs grep foo
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09:37:41Membrillowhat do people think of this so far? http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.jpg
09:38:04B4gdernice!
09:38:17JdGordonhaha nice
09:38:44Membrillohehe thanks
09:38:48Membrillohttp://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.zip if you have an H300
09:38:49JdGordontoo bad about the song being played
09:39:01Membrilloaye. whats wrong with cat empire?
09:39:08JdGordonthe suck :D
09:39:11B4gderit should be cow empire
09:39:17Bg3r:)
09:39:25JdGordonthey*
09:39:28MembrilloB4gder: ...... *tumbleweed rolls* .....
09:39:29Membrillo:P
09:39:47midkaynight all
09:39:49Membrilloah well theyre not everyones style i guess
09:39:55Bg3rthis is just for B4gder :)
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09:50:53*B4gder smacks paypal
09:51:35B4gder"You're a customer of ours, we can bother you as much as we want"
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09:54:06ZagorI'm just glad they haven't started bothering me yet...
09:54:24B4gderthey now even pester me with "reminders"
09:54:40B4gderand want me to *fax* papers to them
09:54:45Zagor!!!
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09:55:19B4gderI replied and told them all faxes died in the 80s over here
09:55:22B4gder:-)
09:55:40B4gdernot really in those words though
09:55:43Zagorhehe
09:56:40dwihnoAnyone ever had strange blanking problems with linux?=
09:56:42B4gderbut replying to mails from paypal is just sending them into a huge void of nothing
09:56:56B4gderdwihno: no
09:56:59Zagordwihno: blanking?
09:57:16B4gderonly the screen saver getting started while watching "barbapappa" ;-)
09:58:46dwihnoZagor: Really strange thing. Perhaps something BIOS-related... After 1 minute, the screen is darker and after a couple of seconds, it it switched off...
09:59:05dwihnoZagor: The setterm init stuff initialize blanking @ 15 min and screen off @ 60min...
09:59:18Zagorconsole or x?
09:59:19Lynx_why does my H340 sometimes transfer stuff with around 8-10 mb/sec over usb, and sometimes only with 3 mb/sec? 3 mb/sec is more than usb 1.1, right?
09:59:43ZagorLynx_: yes, usb1.1 is 11Mbit/s
09:59:52dwihnoZagor: Actually both...
09:59:54peturLynx_: your motherboard maybe has 1.1 and 2.0 ports?
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10:00:14dwihnoZagor: DPMS is set to kick in after 10 minutes
10:00:20peturor using an old hub?
10:00:36Lynx_then i don't understand why there is such a clear speed difference, it's the same computer and port, and on different occasions i get the different speeds
10:00:37Zagordwihno: which graphics card?
10:00:55Lynx_petur: well, it's alsways faster than 1.1
10:01:04ZagorLynx_: don't run 'cube' while transferring files ;-)
10:01:13Lynx_heh
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10:01:32dwihnoZagor: Nvidia GeForce440go
10:01:55peturLynx_: same kind of files as well?
10:01:56dwihnoZagor: The more I think of it, I suspect BIOS screws something up.
10:02:11Lynx_petur: yes, mp3 files
10:02:37peturLynx_: so probably about the same size...
10:02:48Lynx_petur: yes
10:07:34dwihnoZagor: I just found this entry in the BIOS (under power mgmt) "AC: Power Management: Enabled, Display time-out: 1 minute"
10:07:37dwihnoHa ha ha
10:07:43*dwihno laughs at his own stupidity :)
10:07:54B4gderhaha
10:08:03Zagor:-)
10:23:52Membrillowhen im recording with an EXT.mic on my H320... if the peak meters aren't touching the end, I won't get any clipping except if the actual microphone is overflowing
10:24:47peturyes
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10:29:23Membrilloawesome
10:29:46Membrillorecording a James Brown gig next friday and i want to get the best recording i can get
10:30:10peturHow do you like the new recording gain setting?
10:30:46Membrillohavent checked it out, will do now
10:31:38peturnext week I'm going to add the cliplight patch of Mmmm: it's an option to turn on the backlight if clipping accours
10:32:04Membrilloyeah it looks awesome
10:32:15Membrillowhat about automatic gain adjustment? is that in planning?
10:32:20Membrillopossible even?
10:32:50Membrillothat cliplight patch sounds really useful though
10:32:53peturnot easy to do it right
10:33:21peturMmmm already offers a build with it in the forums - the cliplight that is
10:33:40Membrilloah fair enough. so if clipping occurs you couldnt just lower gain by say one DB?
10:34:03petursomething to think about :)
10:34:32Membrillono rush :) but that would be the biggest feature of recording to me if it was implemented
10:34:59Membrillono point doing it if its not done right though
10:35:22peturthe problem is that one spike of (example) somebody hitting the mic could cause the gain to drop and ruin the recording
10:35:54peturand you obviously don't want gain to go up and down the whole time
10:36:00Membrillothats true
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10:41:12Membrilloin anglais?
10:41:44peturdynamic range compression
10:42:40peturwhen recording accoustic sets you can't boost the gain enough because when people start clapping hands you get awful clipping
10:43:04Membrilloah ok
10:43:31Membrillobut the set is way more important than the sound of clapping, you can always edit out the clapping, need be
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10:44:25*linuxstb spots a disgruntled customer in the irc logs...
10:44:34preglowoh?
10:45:39linuxstbSomeone who failed to install Rockbox on his 4g.
10:45:57linuxstbAnd then failed to restore the apple firmware
10:47:23linuxstbjaebird: Are you around?
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10:53:52markunlinuxstb: he was blaming you even :)
10:54:31LinusNmarkun: we all do ;-)
10:55:08B4gderoooh yes
10:55:25*LinusN joins the blame chant
10:55:52markunIs rockbox on ipod remapping all of the SDRAM or only the first part?
10:56:12linuxstbmarkun: All of it.
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11:00:04linuxstbI don't know. preglow did the remapping.
11:01:39markunpreglow: didn't you just copy it from ipl without knowing what the code does?
11:01:45dwihnoZagor: You ever had problems getting vesa power off:ing working in console?
11:01:57dwihnoZagor: (power save)
11:02:12preglowmarkun: well, i know rougly what it does now
11:02:28markuncan you explain it to me?
11:02:29preglowthere's not tlb as such
11:02:33preglowjust two registers
11:02:40Zagori'm not running console much, so ... no :-)
11:03:25dwihnoZagor: aww :(
11:03:31preglowmarkun: i doubt it'll be applicable to gigabeat
11:03:38preglowit's almost certainly a portalplayer thing
11:04:34B4gderbtw, did you spot this http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/08/portalplayer_wireless_ipod_chip/
11:05:02B4gderPP5022 with wlan and bluetooth coming up
11:05:17preglowugh...
11:05:25*preglow sings the driver coding blues
11:06:06B4gderit might be an indication about new ipod features
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11:14:42Zagortoo bad apple is hip-deep in the DRM swamp, so neither the bluetooth nor wifi will be as fun as it could
11:15:03Zagor...enter rockobox ;)
11:15:22Zagor(rockobox?)
11:15:48B4gderrockobox is like the normal rockbox, only slightly cooler ;-)
11:15:59Membrillorockobox?
11:16:06linuxstbZagor: Are you volunteering to write bluetooth and wifi drivers for portalplayer's new chip?
11:16:14*linuxstb is impressed...
11:16:19B4gder:-)
11:16:20Zagorhehe
11:16:21Membrillothe extra vowel mean anything?
11:16:30B4gderand the TCP stack will be interesting
11:16:35ZagorMembrillo: no, typo
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11:58:45PapricaLinusN, can you take a look on that: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1426407&group_id=44306&atid=439120
11:58:46Paprica?
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12:00:50LinusNPaprica: looks ok to me
12:01:08Papricawhat do you think about commit it?
12:01:32LinusNyou have my blessing
12:01:51Papricaso i can commit it?
12:01:55LinusNif it compiles on all platforms
12:02:07Papricaok
12:02:11Papricai'll check it
12:02:16LinusNgood
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12:15:24Membrilloso how does it work? do you make an image the length of the progress bar you want and it slowly reveals more of the image from left to right?
12:20:27preglowyes
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12:26:30linuxstbIs anyone planning on implementing the viewports idea?
12:27:34LinusNwell, not exactly planning...
12:28:04linuxstbpreglow: You mentioned an ipod playback bug the other night - something to do with seeking when you're near the end of a file. Have you been able to reproduce it? Have you tried doing the same on your iriver?
12:29:16preglownope
12:29:23preglowviewports?
12:29:41Papricacan someone fix the fast forward bug?
12:29:58linuxstblcd_set_viewport(x,y,width,height) and then all drawing (including text) takes place inside that viewport (with 0,0 being translated to x,y)
12:30:50Papricathe mrgins patch is start for it right?
12:30:55Papricamargins*
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12:31:20linuxstbI'm not sure. Maybe we will want both margins and viewports.
12:31:33Papricaok
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12:32:03Papricakkurbjun, the doom with the sound is realllllllllllly nice
12:32:43Zoide777linuxstb: hey, I found out that the wavpack skipping problem has nothing to do with the encoder version... Regardless of whether they're encoded w/ version 4.1 or 4.3.1, files compressed normally play flawlessly, while files with high compression (-h flag) stutter
12:32:53LinusNlinuxstb: implementing that, and adapting the rest of the rockbox code to use it requires some work
12:33:22Zoide777fortunately, I also discovered that files compressed with the -x:6 option are almost as small as the -h ones, but they don't stutter in rockbox :)
12:33:23preglowZoide777: ipod?
12:33:27Zoide777yes
12:33:32preglowZoide777: known issue
12:33:34linuxstbLinusN: I know - that's why I was hoping there was a volunteer...
12:33:45preglowwavpack needs optimising on ipods
12:34:03preglowluckily, the wavpack coder has an ipod now...
12:34:08LinusNlinuxstb: i actually started that work, but was interrupted
12:34:38Zoide777the only downside is that encoding w/ -x:6 is *very* slow, but once you've encoded it the decoding is fine (they call it assymetric b/c the complexity of encoding & decoding can be so different)
12:35:35preglowyes
12:35:48preglowa bit weird that -h files should struggle so on ipod
12:36:04linuxstbI tested a -h file on my h140, and it decoded with about 30%-40% boost.
12:36:26preglowspace savings?
12:37:52Zoide777I say if you're willing to wait a good while to encode, then -x:6 is the best, since it's almost as small as -h but doesn't decode slowly like -h does
12:38:01linuxstbThe -h file was 12,049,023 bytes, and the normal was 12,185,320
12:38:20linuxstbSo negligible imo.
12:38:43Zoide777for some files the difference between -h and no flag is bigger, though
12:38:51preglowyeah
12:38:56preglowwe'll support them sooner or later, don't worry
12:40:01linuxstbZoide777: Can you remind me which ipod you have?
12:40:12Zoide777Is there a way of accelerating the scroll wheel when browsing through the file list? It seems like right now it has a fixed speed that applies to both menus and the file list, correct?
12:40:16Zoide7774g grayscale
12:40:21preglowgod, how i don't look forward to codecs on the 3g and less devices
12:40:28preglowit'll be a bloody nightmare
12:40:32linuxstbDo you get any problems when running the Apple firmware?
12:40:41linuxstb(like a corrupted display)
12:40:48Zoide777the display is inverted, and there is a bar on the left
12:41:06Zoide777iirc the "bar" is more like a gap where you can see the rockbox text behind
12:41:19preglowi used to have that on nano before i fixed the driver
12:41:43linuxstbSo there's probably still bugs in the lcd code then.
12:41:44Zoide777for some reason, though, the Apple display has no problems when the ipod is connected to the usb port
12:41:50Zoide777(ie. for transferring files)
12:42:04linuxstbThat will be because it enters disk mode before running the Rockbox bootloader.
12:42:16linuxstbThe Rockbox bootloader is obviously doing something bad to the LCD.
12:43:08Zoide777this might be a very stupid question, but is there a way to make rockbox sleep as opposed to completely shutting down and starting up every time?
12:43:44preglownot for now
12:45:01Zoide777it seems that Rockbox boots much more slowly with the most recent build than with the ones from a couple days ago or so
12:45:43linuxstbMaybe it's your settings - are you using a complicated WPS with bitmaps?
12:46:23Zoide777it's the one with the dancing happy faces... hehe
12:46:32Zoide777the thing is that most of the other ones don't quite work
12:47:00linuxstbsleep mode isn't important to me - Rockbox boots fast enough for it to just be a waste of power. And with auto-resume, it behaves like a sleep.
12:48:16linuxstbZoide777: Can you try changing your WPS back to the default, and seeing if that makes a difference to your boot speed?
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12:50:06Zoide777I'll do that as soon as I can. For now I'm transferring some songs to my ipod and it's going pretty slow. I think it's not rockbox's fault though, since I'm converting some wavpacks from -h to -x6, and it slows down everything
12:52:03Zoide777is there a way of adding custom fonts? I like using the unicode font for Chinese songs, etc. but it's a bit too big
12:52:33markunThe fonts are converted from BDF files
12:52:55markunYou can also convert true type fonts to BDF, but they usually don't look very good
12:53:02ep0chdapreview.net reckons October for the wifIpod, which means i'll have to play the waiting game AGAIN!
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12:53:54preglowthat fits me _very_ well
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12:54:45Zoide777markun: ok, thanks. I guess my real issue right now would be to reorganize or rename my songs, since currently the Artist - Title.mp3 format takes up a lot of space on screen. So far there is no database view (e.g. by tags) of the files in rockbox, right?
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12:55:11preglowyes, there is
12:55:15preglowbut it's a bit outdated
12:55:17linuxstbZoide777: The general solution is to organise by directory - i.e. Artist/Album/NN-file.wv
12:55:19preglowa newer one is comming Real Soon Now
12:55:29Zoide777!?!?! that would be awesome
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12:56:28Zoide777maybe you could piggyback off of ephpod or something like that
12:56:48B4gderwhat's that?
12:57:00ts|gone:D
12:57:02ts|gonelunch break
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12:57:12t0mastime to fix the remote builds
12:57:24Zoide777it's a free program for windows and linux that lets you manage your ipod songs
12:57:38Zoide777it uses the itunes database
12:57:45B4gder*shrug*
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13:00:17linuxstbZoide777: Have you ever tried installing ipodlinux?
13:00:34preglowZoide777: we're using our own solution
13:00:47preglowZoide777: basically, the player will build the database for you
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13:01:11Zoide777but ipodlinux doesn't support wavpack, right?
13:01:16preglowno
13:01:23preglowi bet he's thinking about the display
13:01:42linuxstbI am. I can't see any differences in the Rockbox and IPL lcd drivers...
13:01:47tucozHi, sorry for being lazy. But, how do I create a patch where several new directories were added and images are included in those?
13:02:34B4gderdiff -ruN [olddir] [newdir] perhaps
13:02:45linuxstbDoes that work with binary files?
13:02:54B4gderah, I guess not
13:03:08B4gderpatch and binary is no good pair
13:03:21linuxstbI would just zip up the images, and create a patch for everything else.
13:03:34B4gderI agree
13:03:34tucozHow are wps's patched? I though we have to figure out some way to make additions to the manual
13:04:21tucozSome convenient way for people to create patches, and include images.
13:04:36B4gderthere is none, afaik
13:05:24tucozhmm, what will happen with the binary files if I run cvs diff? Will it ignore binary files?
13:05:39Zoide777linuxstb: the default wps does indeed boot faster. thanks.
13:07:16Zoide777linuxstb: meanwhile it seems that something must be wrong with DancePuffDuo, since it took > 2 minutes to load (by groing to Browse Themes after booting with the default)
13:08:01tucozanyway. Henrico has posted a new manual source tree on the tracker. I think the directory structure looks nice. That is the image directories. Some screenshots for the h1xx plugins are included as well.
13:08:31Zoide777actually, iAmp is also taking forever to load
13:09:00linuxstbAre you playing music at the same time?
13:09:09Zoide777nope
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13:11:21linuxstbWPS loading is generally quite slow (due to the large number of tiny bitmaps), but I don't think anyone's complained that it takes > 2 minutes before. About 5 seconds is normal - less on some players.
13:12:02preglowiamp loads pretty fast here
13:12:04preglowcouple of secs
13:12:08linuxstbMaybe your disk is extremely fragmented.
13:12:21linuxstbbut I still wouldn't expect 2 minutes...
13:12:33preglowfragmented drive shouldn't affect the bmp files
13:12:40preglowthey're not large enough to be fragmented
13:12:55linuxstbtrue. I'm just scrambling for an explanation...
13:12:55peturbut maybe scattered all over the place
13:12:57preglowmight of course be spread anywya, but yeah
13:13:22peturis the disk almost full?
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13:16:01Zoide777not really; i did run the windows xp defrag on the ipod today to try to make it faster
13:16:19Zoide777I guess it's possible that some key files are fragmented all over the place, though
13:24:28tucozlinuxstb: there is a little problem when adding screenshots though. Let's say I add screenshots to manual/chapter5/images/h1xx/ss_solitaire.png and the directory contains lot's of other screenshots. It is quite unconvenient to use zip for this. Then we have to always remember all the screenshots that were added in this session.
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13:25:52tucozthat is, to not include the older ones in the zip.
13:26:25B4gderhttp://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ perhaps?
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13:26:58B4gder(never tried it, just googled around)
13:27:38tucozchecking it out
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13:28:14B4gderthere seem to exist many "binary diff" tools
13:29:14tucozok, good
13:29:51B4gderhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/bdiff/ http://jojodiff.sourceforge.net/
13:29:57B4gderare two more
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13:31:10tucozit would be great if we found something included in standard linux-dist. However, I'll try these out.
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13:31:37ashridahxdelta does binary diffs to
13:32:35linuxstbI would hope that the people who are active on the manual can be given cvs write access - so there will be no need for diffs floating around.
13:33:21B4gdersure, but there will always be people who contribute that don't have cvs access
13:33:36B4gderor at least I hope so
13:33:58Zoide777gotta go sleep, bye and thanks
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13:40:24B4gder"Poor libfaad, nobody likes him/her."
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13:40:37B4gdervery nicely put by the stats engine
13:40:42B4gder:-)
13:41:37tucozhehe
13:42:45tucozxdelta only work on file-pairs. could we perhaps use tar to create a tarball of the two working directories and run xdelta on those two files?
13:42:50muesli__high
13:42:58tucozOr do you think that is too cumbersome?
13:43:11ashridahtucoz: it probably is, unfortunately, i'd forgotten that.
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13:46:20tucozand bdiff only work with file pairs...
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13:47:31linuxstbThis is possibly a stupid idea, but we could to store images in a text format, such as .xpm I've just done a test, and a 24-bit 220x176 bitmap (a photo) is 116214 bytes, but the .xpm is only 82350 bytes.
13:47:56tucozcool
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13:49:08linuxstbThe png version is 76664 bytes.
13:49:16linuxstb(116214 was .bmp)
13:51:08tucozlinuxstb, that sounds like an idea worth thinking of
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13:51:44preglowcan latex use xpms?
13:51:46preglowi doubt it
13:52:09peturI'm a bit amazed by its efficiency, is that lossless?
13:52:24preglowyes
13:52:31peturnice
13:53:00preglowi think they only work that well for pictures with a low amount of colours
13:53:29linuxstbMy example bitmap was a photo - so it has a fair number of colours.
13:53:35peturaha... http://koala.ilog.fr/lehors/xpm.html
13:53:55STkkurban: can i rename the rockbox.iriver to rockbox-doom.iriver and also move that doom.rock to the latest optimized build, because v0.6 hasnt been included in it yet, so rockdoom will still work with RBO right or do i have to do anything else?
13:54:49linuxstbAh, seems that somewhere my image was reduced to 256 colours. But that's still more than most Rockbox screenshots will have.
13:55:30STkkurbjun sorry
13:55:36t0masBagder?
13:55:39t0masare you around?
13:55:56*B4gder hides behind t0mas
13:56:08*t0mas turns around and points at his pm yesterday
13:56:17t0mashave some testing floder ready?
13:56:21t0mas*folder
13:56:35B4gdersure I have plenty! ;-)
13:56:58t0masok
13:57:03t0masI have fixed the cvs update problem
13:57:09t0masall servers update once
13:57:36t0masand I have a build running now... using the master for building some targets too
13:57:43t0masjust to check
13:58:27tucozlinuxstb: shall we just stick to the zipping in the meantime? until we figure out a better solution I mean
13:58:47linuxstbI can't think of any better solutions.
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14:00:11linuxstbMaybe someone could write some shell scripts which only zips up files modified after a certain time or something similar to help.
14:00:24tucozOk, what do you think of the directory structure as Henrico made? that is chapter1/images/h1xx chapter1/images/h300 etc
14:01:09linuxstbThat doesn't solve the problem of 95% of the images being the same for h300 and ipod color.
14:01:25tucozah, same resolution? hmm.
14:01:52linuxstb(and lots of other pairs of targets, such as most of the Archos devices I would guess)
14:02:24tucozBut he was talking of a \simplatform macro as well. I think that groups platforms somehow.
14:02:39tucozgroups by resolution
14:03:04linuxstbYou could have two macros defining screenshot directories - one for generic screenshots, and one for target-specific screenshots.
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14:04:03tucozYes, hmm. linuxstb I got to go, do you have time to fill in that in the ManualHowto discussion?
14:04:11linuxstbSo when you reference a screenshot in the main .tex files, you will need to know if the screenshot is generic (i.e. same for all targets with that size/depth LCD) or different.
14:04:24linuxstbYes, I'll add something now.
14:04:33tucozthanks. see you later
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14:09:31preglowanyone know if ida pro supports emac instructions?
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14:24:22B4gdermarkun: that line 4 looks odd
14:24:39B4gderof francais.lang
14:24:47markunI'll take a look at it
14:26:52markunB4gder: there is a UTF-8 marker at the beginning that vim didn't pick up. Is that what makes line 4 odd for you maybe?
14:27:00B4gderyes I think so
14:27:10B4gderI just noticed in the commit mail
14:27:18t0masB4gder?
14:27:19t0masIllegal division by zero at ./showbuilds.pl line 232.
14:27:43t0masit doesn't know numbuilds
14:28:03t0masbut I can't find where it tries to get it from
14:28:15*B4gder is on a printk()ing venture
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14:28:44markunB4gder: should be fixed now
14:33:26B4gderconfirmed
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14:36:29B4gdert0mas: numbuilds = scalar(keys %alltypes);
14:36:41t0masfound that line
14:36:51t0masany idea why it becomes 0 ?
14:36:54B4gderalltypes is a hash which all build "types"
14:37:18B4gderI would say it doesn't find any "Build Type" line
14:37:29t0mashm...
14:37:46t0mas Build Type: iriver H100 - Normal
14:38:01t0mas Build Type: iriver H120 - Normal
14:38:06t0mas Build Type: iriver H300 - Normal
14:38:10t0masVi does find them...
14:38:15B4gderwhat's that first letter?
14:38:20t0masspace
14:38:25B4gderthere you go
14:38:34B4gder /^Build Type: (.*)/
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14:38:46t0masah, the original script does add spaces to the build log
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14:38:50t0masbut not for those headers...
14:39:08linuxstbHow is the distributed building coming along? Do we have many volunteer servers?
14:39:10B4gderand there's the reason! ;-)
14:39:18jaebirdB4gder: did you get my 4g gray image?
14:39:25*t0mas does one last test build
14:39:30t0maseverything should work now :)
14:39:39B4gderlinuxstb: we focus on getting a system for it going first, then we'll chase down server owners
14:39:54B4gderjaebird: no... where?
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14:40:04linuxstbB4gder: OK. Are you building your own system?
14:40:08B4gderyes
14:40:13jaebirdhttp://gdl.imeem.net/g/4fd8b78142f57cae95788383466f2716.jpg
14:40:29B4gderthanks
14:40:31t0maslinuxstb: We're almost done with the system
14:40:34t0masready for testing...
14:40:43t0maswhat compilers do you have on your server?
14:40:56linuxstbjaebird: I read last night's IRC logs :) Do you have also problems with the Apple firmware when the Rockbox bootloader is installed?
14:41:07jaebirdlinuxstb: I've noticed that sometimes there is a horizontal line in the screen when Rockbox first boots up
14:41:36linuxstbBut it fixes itself?
14:41:45*B4gder goes for coffee break
14:42:04linuxstbt0mas: Are you asking me?
14:42:08t0masjup
14:42:22t0mas(I am building that distributed buildsystem)
14:42:26linuxstbI have them all, but my "server" is just my workstation PC at home connected via ADSL.
14:42:41t0masok,I assume it's on 24/7
14:42:49linuxstbYes - but sometimes the ADSL isn't....
14:42:53jaebirdlinuxstb: i don't think i have trouble with it...sometimes it is hard to get into it tho
14:42:56t0mashm.. we're working on that
14:43:15t0maslinuxstb: mind helping in the test phase?
14:43:25linuxstbYes, I'm happy to help testing - but I don't think I'll be useful for production use.
14:44:03jaebirdlinuxstb: just tried it...the apple fw works fine.
14:44:11t0masok, I'll contact you in a few minutes by PM...
14:44:17t0masjust fixing the last few glitches :)
14:44:27jaebirdAbout the screen...yes eventually the line slowly disappears
14:45:00jaebirdit is almost like the lcd has a little memory? I notice that sometimes it is there when I shutdown
14:45:29jaebirdIRC was a good ol time last night :)
14:45:47jaebirdBTW: I put up my build on the IpodInstallation page
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14:47:00jaebirdB4gder: what is this distributed build thing about?
14:47:04t0maslinuxstb: (next question :)) do you have ccache installed?
14:47:16linuxstbNo - is it simply "apt-get ccache" ?
14:47:19t0masjaebird: have you seen the daily build table?
14:47:25linuxstbI mean apt-get install...
14:47:25t0maslinuxstb: I assume it is...
14:47:48linuxstbThen the answer is yes - I now have ccache installed.
14:47:52jaebirdyes
14:47:57*linuxstb loves Debian...
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14:48:03t0masIt took over 32 minutes to build all of them
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14:48:20t0maswe now speeded that up to 17 minutes
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14:48:32linuxstbjaebird: Can you test the bootloader-4g.bin I put on the ipodinstallation page?
14:48:37t0masand we're trying to distribute the build to multiple servers, to make it even faster
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14:48:50jaebirdsure...please hold!
14:49:05jaebirdwhat is the difference...improved?
14:49:11linuxstbNo, it's the same.
14:49:32linuxstbThere shouldn't be any differences between that one and current CVS.
14:50:21jaebirdlinuxstb: what happend to the files I put there?
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14:51:10linuxstbI moved them :) If there were problems with the 4g builds, I didn't want people installing it if they don't know what they are doing.
14:51:39linuxstbAs soon as someone tells me everything is OK, Bagder will make official bleeding edge/daily builds available from the usual place.
14:51:58jaebirdok...but the bootloader that I had put there was newer than that, and someone said that they had trouble with yours
14:52:21linuxstbIt was newer, but the relevant CVS code hadn't changed.
14:52:48jaebirdok.
14:55:04jaebirdwell I tested it and no problems...but if CVS hadn't changed then I was already running the same version for 12 hrs :)
14:55:36jaebirdt0mas: what about the build table...is it the time it takes to build?
14:55:52t0masit takes to long...
14:55:57t0masit was 32 minutes
14:56:04t0maswe have now cut it down to 17-18 minutes
14:56:11jaebirdso that is why we want to distribute the build?
14:56:16markunB4gder: I'm color blind and have a lot of trouble with this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison
14:56:18t0masyes
14:56:23markunCould they be changed a little?
14:56:30markunThe red and green
14:56:36jaebirdwell I have a linux box behind a static ip that can be used
14:56:51XavierGrmarkun: colour blind, or dyschomatopsia?
14:56:57t0masok, I'm now going through the installing of 1 client with linuxstb
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14:57:00jaebirdup time is pretty good when ISP is good
14:57:05t0masgreat
14:57:10t0masyou have the compilers we need?
14:57:37lostlogict0mas: get me setup too ;)
14:57:39jaebirdI do on my main workstation, I haven't done the build on the server yet...but it wouldn't take too long ot setup.
14:57:51lostlogicI have all the compilers, and I'm in a colo
14:57:56markunB4gder: This is more or less what I see :) http://vischeck.homeip.net/uploads/113957983023000/
14:58:00t0maslostlogic: super
14:58:23markunXavierGr: I guess the last one
14:58:24t0masI'll write a doc on how to setup a compiler client
14:58:41lostlogick, link me to it
14:58:57t0masjup, can you pm me your e-mail address?
14:59:03t0masand jaebird too?
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15:00:16t0masjaebird: you can use normal pm... /msg t0mas hi
15:00:40XavierGrmarkun there is a lage difference between the 2
15:00:45Zagormarkun: how should we change it?
15:01:09markunA darker red would be nice
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15:01:27markunOr darker green if that looks better to you
15:01:31jaebirdalright...while in my TZ it is time to go to work.
15:01:37XavierGrcolour blindess is that you can't recognize colour at all (achromatopsia)
15:02:19XavierGrin dyschromatopsia you can't recognise some relative colours (white-green, yellow)
15:02:38jaebirdlinuxstb: my ipod seems to be ready for a daily build...pretty stable
15:02:44muesli__yellow and green can be nasty either :o
15:02:58linuxstbjaebird: is that with the bootloader-4g.bin I put on the site?
15:03:04jaebirdyup
15:03:14linuxstbSo I wonder what that person's problem last night was....
15:03:19jaebirdlike I said the little LCD line disappears eventually
15:03:24XavierGrI have dyschromatopsia, and sometimes I get pretty confused on some colours. Though I don't have the problem in the page you are referring
15:03:28jaebirddo NOT worry about that guy
15:03:34jaebirdthere were some other things he did
15:03:54jaebirdI think it fubar'd the bootloader when he merged the two
15:04:01linuxstbI'm not worried - but if one person can mess it up, others can. If we knew what mistakes he made, we could improve the instructions.
15:04:07jaebirdhe didn't seem to even have a working apple_os.bin
15:04:11markunXavierGr: Can you check which one is yours? http://www.vischeck.com/examples/
15:04:17linuxstbYes, I read he was using ipodwizard to hack it.
15:04:31markunXavierGr: I have deuteranopia
15:04:39jaebirdmaybe a script that would do the commands automatically
15:04:42linuxstbOK, I'll ask B4gder to add it to the daily builds.
15:04:54linuxstbB4gder: Can you add the 4g grayscale to the daily builds? :)
15:05:01B4gderyessir!
15:05:08jaebirdthe first time I did it I accidently added the ripped bootloader.bin with the apple_os.bin
15:05:10XavierGrmarkun yeah I can't see the number in the circel
15:05:14XavierGr^circle
15:05:18markunme neither
15:05:24jaebirdthen my partition overran!
15:05:44linuxstbjaebird: Ideally we want a GUI installer. But a DOS batch file would be a useful interim measure, if possible.
15:05:45jaebirdluckily I relized something was wrong and corrected before reboot
15:06:13preglowwitchcraft!
15:06:38jaebirddon't know if it is said enough...thankyou everyone for rockbox on ipod
15:06:43jaebirdcya
15:08:20Zagormarkun: is this better?
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15:11:03markunZagor: yes, perfect!
15:11:07markunThanks
15:11:46linuxstbjaebird: You're welcome. I've also changed the structure of the IpodStatus page you started last night. We needed somewhere to list all the known problems.
15:12:39markunZagor: The first time I saw the chart (maybe a year ago) I didn't even see the different colours. I only noticed it after looking at the wiki source :)
15:12:59Zagorhaha
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15:15:05preglowlinuxstb: but yeah, we agreed that not having more than on scroll message in the queue at any time is the best thing?
15:15:09preglowone, yes
15:15:33XavierGrmarkun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteranopia <- funky examples at the right of the page.
15:15:53preglowthe top one is hard for me too
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15:16:17XavierGrI can only recognise the last
15:16:32XavierGr(If I watch very carefully)
15:16:43B4gdersay hi to ipod4gray
15:17:15linuxstbpreglow: That worked well for me. But didn't amiconn have some alternative suggestions?
15:18:39linuxstbipod4gray or ipod4ggray? I've just been calling him/her ipod4g
15:19:13linuxstbDid you add all three builds (boot/normal/sdl sim) ?
15:19:14preglowlinuxstb: i think he gave in
15:19:17linuxstbOK :)
15:19:18markunXavierGr: I can see all except for the 3rd. Might look different on my CRT at home
15:19:20B4gderipod4gray
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15:19:30B4gderand I'll add normal and boot to the build table
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15:19:55B4gdersim too you think?
15:20:11XavierGrwhy are there still sim32 builds in the table?
15:21:35muesli__XavierGr i cant see the 2nd :)
15:22:17muesli__and the 3rd is not very clear, is it 44/49?
15:22:19linuxstbB4gder: I'm not sure. As there are no developers with a 4g grayscale, it's possibly a good idea to build everything.
15:24:10XavierGrhaha sometimes I have trouble to recognise black from red (in great distance though) that means I have Protanomaly
15:24:38preglowlinuxstb: all boils down to the fact that the clickwheels don't have feedback of any kind, so you can't use it blindly
15:24:39XavierGrthere are better tests. Those with the circles
15:24:51muesli__hate those ;-p
15:25:36linuxstbpreglow: I would say commit your change - it will be easy to change again in the future if we find a better solution.
15:26:07linuxstbBut I think it's important for rockbox to stop responding as soon as you stop touching the clickwheel.
15:28:00preglowlinuxstb: ok, i'll just commit the quick queue_empty hack
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15:34:34jaebirdlinuxstb: pm me your email and I'll send you that m4a sample
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15:37:46preglowlinuxstb: of course, there's always the problem that it will react to one clickwheel event if rockbox became busy before one had registered, but yeah, i can't firx that easily
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15:41:25linuxstbI don't think that's a big problem compared to what's happening now.
15:42:54B4gdera yellow 4g build is up
15:43:36linuxstbOK, I'll fix that. Can you add a link to the bleeding edge build at the bottom of the page?
15:43:47B4gdercertainly
15:44:05jaebirdIpodStatus has a showstopper bug for 4g gray?
15:44:20linuxstbThat needs removing.
15:46:08linuxstbjaebird: If you're editing the page now, you can add a tick in the daily builds column for the 4g.
15:47:45jaebirddone.
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15:48:14BHSPitLappy2does 3G work at all?
15:48:14jaebirdnow I must really go :)
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15:50:51linuxstbBHSPitLappy: I think Rockbox just about boots, but then crashes quite early. slimx hasn't been around for a while, so I don't know what progress he's made.
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15:51:26BHSPitLappyah.
15:52:44linuxstbB4gder: Thanks for adding the link.
15:52:51*B4gder bows
15:53:16B4gderboot and sim builds should appear on the next build(s)
15:53:45linuxstbThat's a very damaged-looking build table at the moment...
15:53:58B4gderhehe, yes
15:55:46preglowsim32 is win32?
15:55:50B4gderyes
15:55:58preglowi look forward to being rid of them
15:56:02B4gderyes
15:56:08preglowhow long are builds now?
15:56:17preglowoooh
15:56:22preglowif that estimate is correct, it's not bad
15:56:49B4gderyou can see that the previous took 21 minutes
15:57:27linuxstbDoes the server have two CPUs?
15:57:30preglowyes
15:57:31B4gderyes
15:57:36preglowecho
15:57:48B4gderecho
15:57:50B4gder;-P
15:58:02preglowtook you long enough!
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16:01:53XavierGrwhy do you keep the sim32 builds? I thought the reason to switch over to SDL was to get rid of X11 and w32
16:02:53LinusNXavierGr: you can still build the sdl sim on both win32 and linux
16:03:59XavierGryes, that's why I asked why win32 sims are build in the build table.
16:03:59preglowfortunately, the code base should be virtually identical
16:04:19XavierGrwhy not just build the SDL only (in the daily builds)
16:04:47LinusNi believe there are still quite a few differences
16:04:52XavierGrand as I can see H300 w32 sim is already removed
16:05:01XavierGrah also I forgot:
16:05:15XavierGrI execure rockboxui.exe −−background
16:05:36XavierGrwhile it will load the sim with the bmp the remote screen will not be displayed
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16:28:49preglowwavpack seems to work for me?
16:33:08preglowand what is the format of the DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH thing again? i think i remeber it varying...
16:35:25linuxstbpreglow: Is that wavpack -h ?
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16:36:36preglowyeah, i think it's -h
16:36:58preglowbtw, i think it's time to do the 29 bit audio output transition
16:37:03preglowthink i'll start a bit'
16:37:30preglowlibmad uses that natively, so that's ok, flac and shorten are quick fixes
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16:45:36Papricawhat do you think on commit ipod color wps?
16:45:39Papricahttp://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.de/wps/ipodcolor.bmp
16:49:42preglowh300?
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16:50:14Papricah300/ipod photo
16:50:39preglowi want it for nano too ://
16:50:42preglowbut it looks pretty nice
16:51:02preglowwhere have you gotten the bitmaps?
16:51:04Papricamm no problem to do it for the nano too
16:51:28Papricafrom ipod photo
16:51:35preglowcopied from the firmware?
16:51:40Papricano
16:51:47Papricafrom very ugly photo
16:52:02Paprica=\
16:52:06preglowBagder: what say you?
16:52:29preglowBagder: i guess apple doesn't have copyright of a photo taken of their gui? :>
16:52:38Papricahaha
16:52:39Paprica=]
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17:13:15stevebcan anyone help me - for some reason rock box wont play some ogg's i have. i have an iRiver h300 with the h300 optimized build on. it just says "Opening file" and then "No file"
17:13:24stevebfor some reason it sees the files but has problems playing them
17:13:38stevebthese are oggs encoded at 256kbps
17:16:40stevebi gtg. if anyone knows can you msg me or highlight me here?
17:17:17lostlogicsteveb: do they have weird tags in them? I bet they do
17:17:27muesli__XavierGr didnt u provide a patch to quick-exit from menu?
17:18:17linuxstbsteveb: Can you also try with the latest official Rockbox build?
17:22:49ep0chsteveb: can you host one for me? i'll take a look
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17:50:00tucozlinuxstb: what do you think about renaming the chapter-dirs to their content name instead of chapter name and let TeX do the numbering instead?
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17:50:27linuxstbI agree with that. I think calling them "chapter1" is just going to cause problems.
17:50:54tucozYes, it is not certain that chapter3 will always be chapter3 after all
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17:51:03fairwayhi all
17:51:51fairwayi was just wondering
17:51:59fairwaybut the skipping bug on the ipod seems to be fixed
17:53:06linuxstbYes - that was fixed a while ago.
17:53:17linuxstbWell, a few days ago....
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17:54:32fairwaylinuxstb: very cool
17:55:21fairwayi would say rockbox is fully usable now on the ipod
17:55:29fairwayit's just a matter of performance now
17:56:03fairwayone could use a seperate thread for the user interactions (menu scrollings etc) running on the 2nd cpu
17:58:29linuxstbBattery status is fairly important. But yes, apart from that it's mainly performance.
17:58:57linuxstbBattery life is also an issue - which is why I'm not in any rush to start using the second cpu.
17:59:26linuxstbIMO, the aim should be to get Rockbox working comfortably on a single CPU.
17:59:51linuxstbWe could use the second CPU only when extra power is needed - e.g. playing games whilst listening to music, or maybe video decoding in the future.
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18:02:47Papricamm someone can fix the ff bug?
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18:03:45fairwaywhen you p
18:03:51fairwaypress pause there is a delay
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18:06:55linuxstbPaprica: What ff bug?
18:08:39linuxstbfairway: I can't notice any delay...
18:10:33t0masBagder! we need you! ;)
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18:11:27NicoFRmaybe Paprica is talking about the fact that the progressbar falls back to the original position for a split when you FF or RW
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18:15:11allixive heard that iaudio port is on its way, i presume i can use one with the original firmware
18:15:26ep0chyeah that bug is slightly annoying
18:15:29allixi am deciding on which portable media player to buy
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18:16:34allixi think iaudio support linux out-the-box
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18:18:24ep0chimho if i were to get a new player it would be the ipod over the iaudio as there will be more rockbox developers supporting it.
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18:19:15ShyKiriver > ipod
18:19:15allixits not a new one, its going to be my first one
18:20:02allixiaudio seems to support ogg and flac
18:20:03ep0chiriver seems to not have a future
18:20:15allixok
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18:20:25allixwhat about iaudio?
18:21:10ep0chiaudio is the new iriver :)
18:21:33allixoh
18:21:48allixbecause they have two diffrent sites, so there submerging
18:22:01ep0ch:s
18:22:08allixipod cannot play that many formats?
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18:22:20fairwaywith rockbox it plays everything
18:22:25ep0chnope, unless you put rockbox on
18:22:32ep0chanyway got to go, beers call
18:22:34allixflac,ogg, monkey?
18:22:37fairwayyep
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18:22:45allixok
18:22:46linuxstbNot monkey's - and it probably never will.
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18:23:08fairwayyes monkey is to cpu comsuming
18:23:11fairwaytoo
18:23:23fairwayit's only a format for archival purposes
18:23:28Bg3rfairway only the best compression mode...
18:23:30Bg3rafaik
18:23:47fairwayflac is decent
18:23:58fairwayit's what most people use
18:24:04fairwayif you want to play on portables
18:24:06fairwaylossless audio
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18:24:45preglowit's not just that
18:24:51fairwayare there any decent ipod colour skins yet?
18:24:54preglowwe're pretty serious when it comes to licensing
18:24:55fairway;-)
18:25:13preglowand the monkey's audio man persists in being quite the license enthusiast
18:25:30fairway.rockbox\themes\boxes-220x176c.cfg is not bad
18:25:30ShyKpreglow: he won't permit you to use it?
18:25:34ShyKmakes no sense
18:25:36linuxstbThere is an LGPL'd java implementation I think though. Someone could port that to C....
18:25:39preglowhe permits us to use it
18:25:45preglowbut his license isn't compatible with gpl
18:26:14preglowi don't care anyway, flac and wavpack covers the entire need for me
18:26:44fairwayI am just happy with flac and mp3 or ogg
18:26:49fairwayno other format format me
18:26:51fairwayfor
18:27:27fairwayi was wondering actually if the flac decoder supports embedded cue sheets?
18:27:36allixi'll proberly get the ipod video, althogh watching something that small is stupid
18:27:53fairwaythere is no audio yet on the ipod video
18:27:57fairwayif you want to run rockbox
18:27:58linuxstbfairway: That's not really a feature of the decoder. It's trivial to read the cuesheet, but Rockbox doesn't support them.
18:28:31fairwayalright
18:28:36linuxstbBut people are interested in cuesheets, we're just waiting for someone to implement it.
18:28:56allixah, so i should avoid ipod video
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18:29:28fairwayright
18:29:35allixhmm
18:29:41fairwayalthough the screen is decent
18:29:54fairwayone could display a lot of information
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18:30:18allixiaudio x5 , apparently supports flac and ogg and other video formats and is compaible with linux out-the-box
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18:30:34allixthats one of my reasons for looking at it
18:31:29allixhttp://eng.iaudio.com/product/product_X5_feature.php
18:31:45allixUse Mac or Linux? No problem!! iAUDIO X5 is available to be used on Mac or Linux OS.
18:31:57allixof course the firmware is closed source
18:32:29allixanyone on here used one of them?
18:33:38nounoursI use M5
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18:34:20allixwith rockbox?
18:34:23nounours(black&white screen and no photo/video abilities)
18:34:33nounoursno, original firmware
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18:35:35allixi think thats the same as x5 without video/photo
18:35:53allixdoes it all work ?
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18:36:55nounoursit works fine ; but the firmware is closed source
18:37:25nounoursi don't try flac, but ogg is ok
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18:38:40fairwayrockbox really rocks
18:38:51fairwayyou shouldnt rely on closed source ;)
18:39:12allixits not idea, but it works, i use nvdia closed source modules, there not as perfect either, which is odd, connsidering there know the instuctions of there video card
18:40:02allixfairway: sometimes closed source modules, software is the only way to get something working
18:40:21allixand sometimes a bad job at it
18:40:52fairwayexcep I do not like the linux DE
18:40:55fairwayexcept
18:40:58fairwayso I use XP ;)
18:41:22Papricalinuxstb, i talking about this bug
18:41:23Paprica[19:11:30] <NicoFR> maybe Paprica is talking about the fact that the progressbar falls back to the original position for a split when you FF or RW
18:41:34nounoursfairway: i read carefully on the wiki, and there is no runnable version of rockbox for iaudio
18:42:05fairwaynounours: yes I don't have an iaudio
18:42:15fairwayi think devs are working on iaudio support
18:42:16linuxstbPaprica: Ah, OK. That's been around a _long_ time.
18:42:27Papricai know
18:42:46Papricamaybe someone can fix it?
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18:43:00nounoursit's why i'm here, i try to see which work is done on iaudio port, and if i can help
18:43:21fairwayPaprica: yes I noticed this too
18:43:31fairwayPaprica: it doesn't affect playback though
18:43:42fairwayPaprica: so it's not a high priority issue
18:43:55allixiaudio players can also be used for storing non-music stuff, can ipod do that
18:44:04fairwayallix: yes
18:44:18fairwayallix: with rockbox ipod behaves like a normal harddisk
18:44:52allixok, can i view png files on it with rockbox?
18:45:00fairwayyes
18:45:08fairwayat least jpg I think
18:45:20fairwayI did try with jpg yet
18:45:25XavierGrMake the clickwheel driver stop buffering events if Rockbox is too busy to handle them. <- This seems like a good idea for all targets. (If I know what I am talking about)
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18:45:50linuxstballix: Rockbox doesn't support PNG. The JPEG support is only greyscale at the moment (even for colour LCDs).
18:46:05linuxstbBut colour JPEG will come.
18:46:12XavierGrSometimes on H300 when someone scrolls too much, even after he lets off the button it will continue to scroll a bit further.
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18:46:28XavierGrlinuxstb does your fix do something like that to prevent it?
18:46:41XavierGrsorry I mean preglow
18:47:12preglowyes
18:47:17preglowit does just that, only for the clickwheel
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18:47:44preglowXavierGr: it MIGHT be a good idea for all targets, but you're going to see some heavy resistance on implementing it
18:47:51preglowbut it's very important for the clickwheel
18:48:04preglowok, grand, my mouse just died
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18:48:49XavierGrwhy see heavy resistance? You meant that some may not like it?
18:50:01XavierGrYAY! I just got a mail from iriver. They will send my unit back, I will probably have it back on monday-tuesday!! :D
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18:50:32fairwayXavierGr: did it go corrupt?
18:50:53linuxstbXavierGr: One reason is blind users - you don't want key events to not always be registered.
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18:52:29XavierGrfairway: yes the USBOTG function was faulty right from the start
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19:46:42tucozHenrico, what do you think of linuxstb idea. Where each platform is defined with two macros. I.e. \genericimg and \platform where genericimg is defined by the resolution-bitdepth (220x176x16) for instance.Platform is the same as before.
19:47:34HenricoI don't know much about platform differences, but I think it would make writing the manual more difficult.
19:48:11HenricoFor each picture you must decide to use a generic or a specific picture.
19:48:26tucozYou are right about that. But, as he said, the ipodcolor and h300 have the same screenshots
19:48:36Henricobut if there is much overlap, then why not?
19:49:23tucozHmm, there will be lot's of directories under each chapter
19:49:54tucozone dir for each resolution-bit-depth, and one dir for each target. I am not sure what is the best.
19:49:54Henricoyes, it is easier to just copy the h300 to the ipod
19:50:53tucozIt is definitley easier from the writing-point-of-view.
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19:51:14Henricomaybe also for making screenshots.
19:51:25tucozas you would only have to care about anything but the platform
19:51:44tucoz*only care about the platform
19:52:09Henricoif the screenshots are the same, put each screenshot in 2 directories.
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19:53:20tucozI think that approach is the easiest to work with, but the downside is the massive redundancy.
19:54:08tucozOne thing that is certain though, is that the folders need to be renamed.
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19:54:28Henricothen again, the screenshots i took were between 200 and 700 bytes
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19:54:45Henricoyou mean the chapter folders?
19:54:46NicoFRi think i solved the FF/RW bug Paprica was speaking about
19:54:50tucozYes
19:55:01HenricoI added a comment to the wiki.
19:55:22Henricoyour suggestion, with a fixed name for the main file.
19:55:28tucozI read that. I think it looks good.
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19:56:01tucozThe coulor targets will have larger files for the screenshots though.
19:56:08PapricaNicoFR, how?
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19:56:19Henricothat's right, but still small compared to a flac.
19:56:23linuxstb_Henrico: I disagree that one directory per target is more simple. I think it's more important for writers to be aware of what differences there are between the targets, so the text is appropriate.
19:56:29NicoFRi just added one line at what seems the right place
19:56:32NicoFRi'll make a patch
19:57:33linuxstb_For example, if the .tex file refers to \generic\screenshot.png, then writers know that that screen is the same everywhere. But if the .tex refers to \platform\screenshot.png, then there are differences that may need to be taken care of in the text.
19:57:41Henricolinuxstb_: but instead of 8 image directories, you get 12+
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19:58:10linuxstb_Yes, but it will also be more logically organised - 12+ smaller directories instead of 8 larger directories.
19:58:50Henricoare the generic screenshots (filebrowser?) really the same across platforms?
19:59:25linuxstb_Yes - if the LCD size is the same, I would guess that about 90% of the screenshots will be the same.
19:59:51tucozOne part of me wants a image directory for each chapter, but the other part says that it will be a lot of directories
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20:00:06NicoFRPaprica: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/ff-rw_bug.patch
20:00:31NicoFRit seems to work well but given the simplicity i'm not sure it's the right thing to do...
20:00:41Papricabalh but the stop play fixed too?
20:00:47linuxstb_Also, Rockbox is supporting more and more targets, so the duplication will just get worse.
20:01:14NicoFRPaprica: didn't understand...
20:01:20Papricahaha
20:01:25Papricatry to ff
20:01:32tucozwe could start with having only generic dirs, and if needed add platform dirs
20:01:36Papricawhen you stop the ff
20:01:42tucozand see how it turns out
20:01:47Papricayou see a speedy pause play
20:02:00NicoFRah yes
20:02:08NicoFRi was thinking of trying to fix that too
20:02:18NicoFRbut it's probably a little more complicated ;)
20:02:30Papricahehehe ;]
20:02:33Papricatry..
20:03:00Henricoso we get at least three levels of pictures: generic, resolution specific and platform specific?
20:03:27tucozno, only two. resolution-bitdepth and platform
20:03:40linuxstb_No, I'm just suggesting two. \generic will map to a resolution-specific directory.
20:04:16HenricoOK, any suggestions for the names for these generic directories?
20:04:50tucozlinuxstb, what do you think of getting_started/main.tex as the structure for the directories?
20:05:18linuxstb_Do you need subdirectories for each chapter?
20:05:30tucozwith images?
20:05:36linuxstb_Why not just one .tex file for each chapter, and a shared image directory?
20:05:55Henricofor the plugins it would be nice to have all files in one subdirectory.
20:06:16tucozyes, one tex file for each chapter and the chapter folder name as getting_started for instance
20:06:34Henricoalso larger chunks of platform specific documentation should go in separate files
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20:08:21tucozI am not sure, but if we need to add separate files for the different chapters then it's easier if they have their own subdirs
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20:08:45linuxstb_In the rockbox source code, we try to avoid having code which is specific to platforms. We use macros such as #if HAVE_FM_TUNER or #if HAVE_RECORDING to distinguish between the capabilities of the hardware. Does the manual have a similar system?
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20:10:12tucozI guess we could extend it to have something like that
20:10:24Henricoat the moment, we use the optional package. We distinguish between platforms.
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20:13:27tucozBut I am not sure that is really necessary. Like it says in the ManualHowto
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20:14:09tucozWe do not need to generate two docs for the ondio, as very little differ from those (recording afaik)
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20:19:19NicoFRPaprica: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429312&group_id=44306&atid=439120
20:21:53Papricanow fix the play pause bug
20:21:55Paprica=]
20:21:57NicoFRlol
20:22:04NicoFRhave to go now... but maybe later
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20:23:51Henricotucoz, how should we include the screenshots? as-is, or in a figure environment?
20:24:05tucozLike floats?
20:24:28Henricoyou can tell LaTeX your preferences for a figure, like [h] for here
20:24:48Henricoand you can use a nice caption
20:25:13tucozYes, but we are not certain that the screenshot end up exactly where we want it in that case
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20:25:34josh_tucoz: [!h] means "put it right here, and I mean it". other values can be used to get floating figures.
20:25:53josh_e.g. a [t] figure will float to the top of the next page with room
20:25:56safetydanXavierGr, fixed that remote drawing with background issue in the SDL sim
20:26:54tucozjosh_, yes, but that is not really true. The [!h] will only tell latex to try as hard as it can to place it there, but we are not guaranteed that it ends up there.
20:27:13josh_tucoz: what are you expecting?
20:27:19tucozThat is my experience after all.
20:27:26Henricoand if a screenshot cannot be put here in a figure, chances are neither can LaTeX without a figure.
20:27:27josh_if there's not enough room left on the page for a figure, there's no way to make it fit...
20:27:36josh_Henrico: huh?
20:28:04tucozI think we should go for a figure environment
20:28:05HenricoI mean, if you just use includegraphics, it gets inlined.
20:28:28josh_Henrico: yes, but if there's not enough room on the current page it won't squeeze to fit or anything...
20:28:45josh_I'm pretty sure [!h] tries "hard enough" for most purposes.
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20:29:22Henricowe could always use an optional pagebreak for a final version of the manual
20:29:42Henricooptional as in dependent on the target
20:30:18tucozWonder if we should have the screenshot's equally sized for all targets
20:30:50tucozBut, that is another issue. I think the most important issue right now is the directory structure and image folder arrangement
20:31:23HenricoIf you want to test the other directory structure, see the patch.
20:31:24tucozThings like that is only code, which could easily change later on.
20:36:08tucozI think that structure is good.
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20:38:27Shadowarrior13-_-
20:38:54Shadowarrior13Midkay.....where's my compiled rockbox :P
20:40:12tucozHenrico, I got to go. I think that your dir-structure looks good, but I want some feedback from the old-boys before we change anything.
20:40:28Henricoagreed
20:41:26tucozalthough it sounds like a good idea to be able to have the possibility to only include the recording section for recording targets, I am not sure we need to be that specific in a manual.
20:42:08Henricoif we want that, then we need a platform for every build target
20:43:09tucozbut we could define a macro like haverecording and make that map to the targets that have recording
20:43:50Henricoyes, but the recorderv2 and recorderfm are now one platform
20:44:01linuxstbIMO, there should be manual for each build target - it just seems simpler.
20:44:31Henricoyes, then we can define macros for all relevant properties.
20:44:57linuxstbExactly. And when a new target comes along, you can just define a "config file" containing the properties of that target.
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20:46:15tucozso, before anything else. 1) fix dir-structure 2) agree on the image-issue
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20:47:34Mikachuis there a color jpeg viewer (using ipod nano)? i just installed rockbox today so i probably haven't discovered all parts of the wiki yet but i haven't seen anything so far
20:48:02linuxstbMikachu: No.
20:48:07Mikachuokay
20:48:07Shadowarrior13Just be happy it friggin works on yours -_-
20:48:11Mikachuheh
20:48:22Shadowarrior13God damn 5G.
20:48:32Shadowarrior13Not a single alternate OS working.
20:48:36linuxstbShadowarrior13: It's your own fault for buying one :)
20:48:40Shadowarrior13XD
20:49:32Shadowarrior13Seriously, if something other than Rockbox or ipl is working, let me know.
20:50:42linuxstbI believe Apple have a firmware running on it.
20:50:53Shadowarrior13......bite me :P
20:51:08Mikachuwhich is the 5g?
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20:51:13Shadowarrior13The video.
20:51:15Mikachuah
20:53:56Mikachuis there a font with japanese characters that has smaller chars than the unifont included in the dist?
20:54:50Mikachumaybe i should search a bit first
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20:57:56Mikachushould it be possible to use the bdf files from xorg?
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20:58:11Mikachuit has kana in a separate file due to the doublewidth though
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21:35:36preglowhrm
21:35:42preglowsuddenly a lot of my ogg files clip like mad
21:37:08lostlogicon ipod or hxx0 or both?
21:38:49allixi noticed , amaroK plays ipod
21:39:24preglowh1x0
21:39:50preglowbut i can't remember anything codec wise being changed lately
21:39:56preglowapart from pcmbuf, but that can't do this
21:40:11lostlogicyeah, if it was _skipping_ then the pcmbuf could be the cause
21:40:14lostlogicbut not clipping
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21:42:53preglowperhaps i just haven't noticed before
21:43:01preglowthis album really, really needs replaygaining if that's the case
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21:49:37preglowmy, oh my, how i hate reading the tremor source code
21:49:47preglowmonty seems to hate whitespace and intenting with a passion
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21:53:24lostlogichaha, it is difficult reading.
21:54:13preglowone-space indenting is just not funny
21:55:20lostlogiccould run it through astyle for reading...
21:56:45preglownice point
21:56:48preglownice point indeed
21:57:31preglowastyle better than indent?
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21:59:04lostlogicastyle has K&R and other common C stylings builtin...
21:59:08lostlogicnever used indent
21:59:27preglowgood
21:59:31preglowk&r is pretty close to what i like
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22:02:01preglowknow if it's possible to use tremor in non-callback mode?
22:02:13preglowi'd like it if we could minimise the buffer copying
22:02:45lostlogicI don't know, linuxstb was talking about wanting to user all codecs that way, but I never investigated
22:03:14lostlogicbut yes, it would be nice if we could ask the pcmbuf for a buffer, and have the codec write directly to that buffer
22:03:27preglowyeah, i'd like it too
22:03:30preglowbut it might require some rewriting
22:03:32preglowat least for musepack
22:03:45lostlogicnod
22:05:36linuxstbThat's still a long-term plan of mine. But yes, some codec libraries are going to need kicking into shape to work that way.
22:06:21preglowmusepack is one
22:06:25preglowbut sooner or later i'm going to do it
22:06:54preglowi'm just looking into tremor to see where to best do some additional shifting now
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22:19:21lostlogicpreglow: you think it's clipping in the decode??
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22:21:57preglowlostlogic: no, that's pretty much impossible
22:22:14preglowlostlogic: i want all the codecs to use 29 bits output precision, i'm just working a bit on that
22:23:09preglowi've got most of the codecs figured out, but tremor i have no idea about
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22:25:32lostlogicpreglow: ahh, nice... does that make them slower, or ... i don't understand audio.
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22:25:36lostlogicwtf.
22:26:13preglowlostlogic: slower, no, on the contrary, the rest of the dsp path now don't need to wonder what the precision is
22:26:22preglowlostlogic: wors case, in the codecs themselves, it just means an extra shift
22:26:28preglowlostlogic: but i'm looking to eliminate that
22:26:39preglowby encorporating the shift into the algorithms themselves
22:27:42lostlogicahh, gotcha
22:28:05lostlogicwhat does tremor currently use?
22:28:22preglow24 bits + sign
22:28:28preglowand what i want to use is 28 bits + sign
22:28:34preglowwhich leaves three bits of headroom
22:28:39preglowwhich should be enough
22:31:03lostlogicso then the DSP knows that all samples incoming are 29bit signed and it's job has less branching and whatnot?
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22:31:35preglowwell, yeah, shifts can be hardcoded, etc
22:31:41preglowand we can maximise precision in all dsp algos
22:31:50preglowsince they know what format data they deal with
22:32:00preglowthe eq, for example, is wildly inaccurate if you feed it sixteen bit data
22:32:26preglowyou'll end up with eight bit effective data
22:32:34lostlogicI really wish I had some understanding of how 16 bit or 24bit 'data' becomes music. some day... some day I will learn.
22:32:46preglowhaha
22:33:02preglowwell, it's bascially just discretisied sound wave
22:33:03Mikachuheh, it's really simple, each sample represents a position of the speaker membrane at a given time
22:33:13preglowwhere the values describe the amplitude of the wave at that point
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22:33:33ShyKpreglow: hmm, 29bit internal precision becomes what when processed by eq etc?
22:34:00lostlogicso seriously, the approximate amplitude of a wave at each of 44100 points per second is enough information to reconstruct music...
22:34:05Mikachui have a stupid question, when i build from cvs, how do i know which .rocks go in what dir on the music player? some should be in plugins and some are in rocks/ and so on
22:34:06lostlogiccraziness
22:34:12preglowShyK: assuming all 29 bits are valid data, you loose 7 bits, so you end up with 22 bits
22:34:28ShyKaha
22:34:31Mikachulostlogic: i think phones use about 8000 or so
22:34:38preglowShyK: more gain you need, more precision you'll loose
22:34:47lostlogicMikachu: oh yes, I know voice sources use much lower sample rates
22:34:53preglowand with fixed point you have to assume you're at max gain all the time
22:35:34preglowlostlogic: yes, that's enough
22:35:48preglowlostlogic: basically, the sample rate just decides the highest frequency you want to reproduce
22:35:59lostlogichmm, so with a sample rate that is roughly double the highest frequency of sound that a human can perceive, transients within those frequencies are stil lrelatively reproduceable?
22:36:02preglowlostlogic: and ~20khz is enough for human hearing, so they just selected something a bit above that
22:36:11Mikachuyou can only reproduce half the sample rate
22:36:16Mikachuaccording to the nyquist theorem at least
22:36:28Mikachuoops
22:36:28lostlogicwhee, learning!
22:36:58preglownyquist theorem assumes perfect reconstruction filters, which you never have, so you've got to go a bit higher
22:37:03preglow44.1khz is just barely enough
22:37:12preglowbut doesn't matter too much, since our hearing is really dodgy that high freq
22:37:19preglowi can't bloody hear higher than 16khz anyway
22:37:28Mikachuyeah, theoretically
22:37:32lostlogicwhy do professional studios use 96khz then?
22:37:38preglowjust to be sure, basically
22:37:49lostlogichaha ok
22:37:50preglowand because higher sampling rates are good when you do digital processing
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22:37:55lostlogichmm, indeed
22:38:01ShyKmany use much higher rates as well
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22:38:08Mikachuyou can playback the sound at half the speed and keep 44khz quality
22:38:18Mikachumaybe not the main reason :)
22:38:28ShyKa main reason
22:38:33preglowdigital processing will, unless you're using really basic stuff, introduce frequencies that are higher than the nyquist frequency, and since those can't exist in a sampled signal, they're aliased down on other frequencies
22:38:44preglowif you use a higher sample rate in the first place, there's less chance of aliasing
22:38:50ShyKi can't think of any sane reason to use high precision than to downsample
22:39:21preglowyou really get to learn this when you do sound synthesis, heh
22:39:59Mikachudoes the id3 reader expect 'proper' unicode tags? all my mp3s are v2.3 with utf-8 which is technically wrong but everything on linux seems to expect it... i tried them a bit and all multibyte data is displayed wrong
22:40:00lostlogicyeah, I haven't really done any wave studies outside of transmission lines (power distribution)
22:40:08Mikachuso that's just a yes/no question :)
22:41:13preglowMikachu: no idea, i don't think id3 specifiec character set
22:41:19Mikachuit does, i checked it a while ago
22:41:23preglowoh
22:41:36preglowand it assumes what?
22:41:40preglowiso8859?
22:41:51Mikachubasically, id3v2.3 tags are allowed to be either latin1 (iso8859-1) or unicode (UTF16)
22:42:02Mikachubut everything on linux (almost) uses utf8 anyway
22:42:03preglowbeh
22:42:14Mikachuid3v2.4 allows utf-8 but nothing supports 2.4
22:42:14preglowwell, rockbox is trying to follow standards properly
22:42:17preglowbut i don't know what it does
22:42:19preglowyou tried it?
22:42:28Mikachuand all my mp3s are 'wrong'
22:42:52preglowthey display wrong in rockbox?
22:42:57Mikachuyeah
22:43:00preglowwell
22:43:11Mikachui guess i could try a correct one too
22:43:15preglowunless using utf8 is a widespread windows practice as well, i think we'll stick with the spec
22:43:50Mikachui think it's only linux
22:44:10Mikachuso no luck for me
22:44:36Mikachuhm, i've set UTF-8 as my 'default codepage' i think
22:44:46preglowi'm not too sure about how unicode works in rockbox yet
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22:46:23ShyKyou'll run into people with files that have id3v2 tags with iso8859 that will expect your application to display the russian in it properly
22:46:37Mikachuyeah but crap on them :)
22:47:04Mikachui'll see what happens if i force unicode_munge to treat everything as utf-8
22:48:16preglowi hate id3
22:48:23preglowpeople should use apev2, then commence shutting up
22:48:31Mikachucan you put apev2 in mp3?
22:48:33preglowbut i realise it's not going to happen, heh
22:48:40ShyKMikachu: sure
22:48:41preglowMikachu: sure, just don't expect wide support
22:48:49ShyKid3v2 is satan
22:48:50preglowyou're pretty much limited to using foobar
22:48:52markunpreglow: I thought you were against apev2 for mp3 in rockbox..
22:48:52preglowand you're on linux
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22:49:25Mikachuis the id3 decoder separate from the mp3 codec file?
22:49:27preglowmarkun: well, in combination with id3, i'm just not certain how to handle it
22:49:31preglowmarkun: i'm not against how to handle it
22:49:37preglowehh
22:49:41preglowmarkun: i'm not against having it in rockbox
22:49:47Mikachuslightly confusing..
22:49:51markunI think check for apev2 first, then id3
22:49:55CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:49:55*preglow notes "never write while thinking"
22:50:00Shadowarrior13lol
22:51:03preglowmarkun: my position is basically, if you find apev2, use that
22:51:13preglowmarkun: it's probably there because you put it there, and it's probably the better tag anyway
22:51:28LinusNproblem is that it takes quite some seeking to find the apev2 tag
22:51:44LinusNusing more battery
22:51:57preglowLinusN: perhaps we should combine ape with id3v1 in settings
22:52:10LinusNperhaps
22:52:15preglowmost people will never touch that setting anyway
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22:52:45Mikachuokay, oggs work fine with utf8 tags
22:52:55preglowMikachu: sure, ogg uses utf8, always
22:53:00preglowwhich made things simple for us
22:53:03preglowid3 people aren't that clever
22:53:40Mikachuis playback supposed to stop when you change theme?
22:53:44Mikachu(the one i used didn't like unifont)
22:54:15Mikachui'm stupid
22:54:24Mikachufirst i hack the code to always use utf8, then i try a utf16 file
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22:54:53preglowi don't like unifont myself
22:55:04preglowtoo big and ugly
22:55:05Mikachuwell, i need to use it now when i check
22:55:56preglowlostlogic: hah, my 29 bit output data fix even shaves an instruction off in musepack :-)
22:55:56Mikachuhooray, it works with my 'broken' files now :)
22:56:04Mikachumy first local change
22:56:26Mikachuis there another font with japanese chars?
22:56:31preglownot that i know of :/
22:56:40BHSPitMonkeyyou could make some
22:56:45lostlogicpreglow: coolness!
22:56:49Mikachuthere are some fonts in xorg, but they _only_ have japanese chars
22:56:53lostlogicpreglow: figure termor out yet?
22:56:56Mikachuor only doublewidth at any rate
22:56:56lostlogictremor
22:57:17Mikachuis it possible to combine the 6x13 font with the 12x13 doublewidth font into a single rockbox font?
22:57:18preglowlostlogic: no... it's a mess
22:57:24Mikachueven in theory
22:57:28markunMikachu: we already have that..
22:57:45lostlogicpreglow: :(
22:57:48markunOr not?
22:57:50Mikachumarkun: a combined 6x13 and 12x13 font with japanese?
22:57:56markunHm, maybe I didn't commit it
22:58:06Mikachumaybe you didn't
22:58:20Mikachuwhat would it be called if you did?
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22:58:42markunMikachu: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/6+12x13.bdf
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22:58:44lostlogicpreglow: hmm, going to 29bit would lead to more bits of actual data in the output, with the lowest 4 that you add being most likely invalid / irrelevent information, right?
22:58:49Mikachumarkun: you're my hero
22:58:56preglowlostlogic: yea
22:59:13preglowlostlogic: but not in all codecs, both libmad and libmusepack will have all 28 bits relevant
22:59:18markunMikachu: should work, but tell me if there are any problems
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22:59:45lostlogic*nod* is it a property of vorbis that no more than 24 bits ar erelevent or a property of Tremor?
23:00
23:00:22Mikachumarkun: convbdf -f -o 6+12x13.fnt 6+12x13.bdf is the correct command?
23:00:33preglowlostlogic: tremor, i guess
23:00:47preglowlostlogic: you can pretty much have as much precision as you want in codecs like that
23:00:55preglowsince the audio is resynthesized
23:00:57markunMikachu: you don't even need the -o 6+12x13.fnt
23:00:59lostlogicahhh
23:01:08preglowlostlogic: won't help you, though, since that's not where the quality loss is
23:01:27lostlogicwhere is it? in the encoding process?
23:01:30preglowyes
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23:01:50Mikachumarkun: okay, seems to work fine (only tried one file so far)
23:01:52preglowyou can resynthesize the waveform to be as high-res as you want, it won't matter since the waveform isn't the exact audio
23:02:09preglowit's just an approximation with flaws you'll hear
23:02:44Mikachumarkun: thanks again :)
23:03:00lostlogicright −− so vorbis (most codecs?) use smoothing algorithms as they resynthesize it any way?
23:03:11markunMikachu: I can commit it later
23:03:15Mikachugreat
23:03:26Mikachuthis is working a lot better than ipl :)
23:03:35Mikachui haven't got doom to work in rockbox yet though ;)
23:04:38mozetti_me neither
23:04:42preglowlostlogic: any "smoothing" is intrinsic to whatever resynthesizing method is used
23:04:45mozetti_i can't get past the loading screen
23:04:50preglowthere is no smoothing as a separate post process
23:04:59lostlogicok
23:05:30preglowthe resynthesizing works by reconstructing the original wave from mathematical functions (sines), which you can syntesize with as good a precision as you want
23:05:44preglowthat's where the "infinite" precision comes from
23:06:27lostlogicahhh, this is beginning to make more sense to me...
23:06:44lostlogicas to why we spend so much IRAM storing SINCOS lookup tables
23:06:48preglowaye
23:07:07Mikachudoes the anti-skip buffer do anything on the nano?
23:07:14preglowthe mdct is what does the resynthesizing
23:07:30preglowthe other major part of tremor is the spectrum reconstruction
23:07:50preglowMikachu: myeah, it shouldn't matter since the nano has no disk-spinup time
23:07:55preglowMikachu: we'll remove options like that as we go
23:07:57lostlogicso it's kinda like regenerating the varios parts of many differnet sine waves to biuld the wave form, and then giving them loudness with the floor and residue parts or some such?
23:08:10Mikachui just thought it would be a tiny bit faster to not move the data twice
23:08:30preglowlostlogic: the floor and residue is combined to generate the loudness function, yes
23:08:36Mikachuare many of the devs swedish?
23:08:51BagderMikachu: a few of us are at least
23:08:53preglowMikachu: around five-six, i think
23:09:04Mikachuokay (me too)
23:09:10lostlogicpreglow: thanks so much, all that audio decoding stuff that was gibberish 30m ago at least makes some sense now :):)
23:09:14Mikachujust noticed the devcon is in sweden
23:09:16preglowhehe, np
23:09:20BagderMikachu: http://daniel.haxx.se/m3.html
23:09:38Mikachuah
23:09:50***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:10:30preglowscanned by god, uploaded by jesus
23:10:45preglowi assume that image looks better in print :)
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23:11:14Bagderit does
23:11:25Bagderbut not a lot
23:11:38lostlogiclil' help for the non-swedes?
23:11:43Shadowarrior13lol
23:11:49t0masBagder!
23:12:05t0mas548 seconds for 28 targets
23:12:21t0masagainst 1153 seconds for 31 targets on the main server
23:12:32lostlogichaha, using 3 machines :-P
23:12:44t0masbut 1 on 512 kbit/s upload
23:12:45Bagderand we should be able to cut that even more
23:12:49t0masso that slowed us down a lot
23:12:57t0masoh and not using -J
23:13:03t0masso we can go a lot faster I assume
23:13:12t0masas we have 2 SMP machines in the 3 we have now
23:13:25BagderI want it done in 2-3 minutes
23:13:29Bagderit would rock
23:13:31lostlogict0mas: 3 = rockbox.org, linuxstb and lostlogicx.com?
23:13:32preglowyes, that'd be the nicest
23:13:50t0maslostlogic: 3= linuxstb, lostlogic and me
23:13:50lostlogicBagder: the limiting factor on that will be transfer times
23:13:55t0masand me = P3 1ghz
23:13:57Bagderyes
23:13:59t0mastest machine
23:14:05lostlogict0mas: I'm not SMP, just hyperthreading...
23:14:09t0masoh ok
23:14:13t0masread that as SMP :)
23:14:16t0masmy mistake
23:14:17preglowht doesn't help shit for make
23:14:17Bagderbut a single build should be ~60 seconds max, so I give another 100 for the transfers ;-)
23:14:23preglowi tried, got exactly the same build time
23:14:32lostlogicBagder: so we need one build machine per target? :-P
23:14:36Bagderyes!
23:14:38Bagder;-)
23:14:39t0maspreglow: on my old workstation it was slower with HT on...
23:14:42lostlogichehe
23:14:45Bagderor very fast servers
23:14:50t0masBagder: get us some fast servers :P
23:14:57lostlogicI'll setup lost.lostlogicx.com to help too :-P
23:15:09preglowBagder: so, how's the system work now? easy to extend for more build boxes?
23:15:11Bagderwell, we have another SMP box here I can use
23:15:18lostlogict0mas: do you think you could make your script deal with a non-standard SSH port? lost.lostlogicx.com is behind a firewall with SSH on port 23
23:15:24t0masjup, we can
23:15:31Bagderpreglow: t0mas is working on the new system
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23:15:37preglowexcellent
23:15:46t0maspreglow: we can add as much servers as there are targets
23:15:48pregloweven a new cutting edge leet-ass server wouldn't be able to reach the times we can now
23:15:53t0masif one server fails it just takes the next one
23:16:07t0masso we can even add servers that aren't always on...
23:16:16preglowt0mas: oooh, great
23:16:24t0masbut it's dangerous... because if they shut down during a build... we lose 1 target
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23:16:39t0masBagder: seen my pm about the new scheduling idea?
23:16:44Mikachui haven't managed to delete a file from inside rockbox, it says PLAY to confirm, but pressing play just exits the thing and goes back to browsing files
23:16:47preglowt0mas: why? can't you just cycle to another server?
23:16:48Mikachuam i stupid?
23:16:54preglowMikachu: press select
23:17:05preglowMikachu: message is wrong for ipod/h1x0
23:17:05Bagdert0mas: no...
23:17:07preglowand h3x0
23:17:08Mikachuah
23:17:18preglowwe're in need of a new i18n system
23:17:18LinusNor "navi" as the iriver people call it
23:17:24preglowLinusN: they're insane
23:17:28t0maspreglow: should add that... if a build fails we now just indicate it as failed... not checking if it might have been a server shutdown
23:17:30preglowhence can't be taken seriously
23:17:42ShyKlostlogic: just to add some interestingness :) http://www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/timeres.html
23:17:43preglowt0mas: that might be a problem, yes
23:17:45Mikachuthat didn't seem to work either though, if select is the center white button
23:17:56preglowMikachu: yeah, it is
23:18:04t0maspreglow: but if a server is just done once in a few days... who cares...
23:18:17t0masas long as it doesn't shut down exactly during a build...
23:18:29preglowt0mas: what's what i'm talking about
23:18:48Mikachupreglow: NEXT worked
23:19:18preglowdid it now
23:19:20preglowhow consistent
23:19:30preglowbut yeah, point is, it's PLAY on archoses
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23:19:36preglowand the string is the same for all targets...
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23:20:16Mikachuokay
23:20:55ShyKlostlogic: also interesting www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/dither.html
23:21:31kkurbjundoes anyone know what the effects of (void) variable; are other then shutting up compiler warnings? specifically on pointers passed as arguements
23:21:59preglowit's supposed to do nothing
23:22:10Mikachuall i can think of is it could affect pointer arithmetic
23:22:59kkurbjunok, good so it's an acceptable way to tell the compiler that I know it's unused? is there a more acceptable way?
23:23:16Mikachukkurbjun: ah, you're the doom guy
23:24:12safetydanhrm, SDL sim sound is broken badly
23:24:14LinusNkkurbjun: that's the way
23:24:21kkurbjun: ), yeah, I'm trying to clean up the compile with the default rockbox flags (-Wall)
23:24:26LinusNsafetydan: works for me in linux
23:24:28kkurbjungreat, thanks alot
23:24:43safetydanLinusN, pops and skips a lot under Linux for me
23:24:56safetydanseeking backwards crashes it too
23:26:07safetydanah well, I'll look at it tomorrow when I'm not so bleary eyed
23:26:10Mikachupreglow: what would ON+Play be for deleting a bookmark?
23:26:19preglowMikachu: no idea, never touched a bookmark
23:26:20lostlogicShyK: thanks
23:26:22Mikachuokay
23:26:29preglowShyK: the time smearing plots are interesting
23:26:34Mikachui'll let you know then
23:26:56preglowi wonder how he derived that filter
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23:32:59Mikachuany chance of adding an Off button somewhere in the menus? feels a bit silly to always leave it on for ten minutes
23:33:24preglowkeep on pressed
23:33:32preglowON, tha tis
23:33:49Mikachuwhat is ON on an ipod?
23:34:14ShyKpreglow: note Klemm's quote on the timeres page :) "high quality MPEG-4 AAC Encoder is much much more difficult to program and to tune than a MPEGplus encoder "
23:34:17ShyKlol
23:34:24Shadowarrior13Mimkachu, any button is on.
23:34:27Shadowarrior13Mikachu*
23:34:32preglowMikachu: ehh, play
23:34:35preglowMikachu: i meant play, i suck
23:34:37Mikachuokay
23:34:39ShyKif Klemm says it's "much much harder" i wonder if a human can achieve that
23:34:39Mikachuthanks :)
23:34:40preglowShyK: no shit
23:35:12Mikachupreglow: oh i'm stupid, it's the same in apple :)
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23:35:18preglowMikachu: 'tis
23:35:29ShyKnote that by now, with 1.15 versions, encoding of tonal content is dramatically improved.
23:36:16ShyKKlemm has eliminated "theories" that subband coding can't be good for low bitrate
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23:37:04preglowShyK: i haven't heard of any such theories
23:37:15preglowShyK: don't put too much weight into what you read at ha :)
23:37:27ShyKhaha no shit
23:37:33preglowsubband coding is still used
23:37:50preglowi've even seen recent suggestions for image coders using subband coding
23:37:56preglowgranted it's a bit different...
23:38:16ShyKmusepack is the first and only codec that has proven the vast superiority of subband coding
23:38:42preglowi wouldn't say superiority, more like competability :P
23:38:50preglowwhether it's superior is a pretty subjective thing
23:39:02ShyKyes. it's much better to work with
23:39:07preglowbut yeah
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23:39:14preglowbeing a subband codec, it's very light, at least
23:39:26preglowand it does very well for a subband codec
23:39:33preglowthe only other ones i'm aware of are way heavier
23:39:49preglowmpeg2 is probably the most efficient one apart from musepack
23:39:56Mikachupreglow: hrm, it seems to be some weird combo like MENU+NEXT or so
23:39:57preglowand musepack beats that pretty much into the ground
23:40:45preglowtoo bad about that bitstream :PP
23:40:54Shadowarrior13Button combo for iPod?
23:41:03MikachuShadowarrior13: for removing a bookmark
23:41:08Mikachuthe screen says ON+Play
23:41:12Shadowarrior13Hmmm
23:41:28Shadowarrior13Well, on would probably be action.
23:41:33Mikachui'm not sure which combo did it since there's a slight delay and i pressed everything :)
23:41:40Mikachuit's not in that screen, it is in some others
23:41:47Shadowarrior13Heh
23:41:48Mikachuiirc
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23:42:15Mikachugot stuck for a few seconds in the file browser with lots of queued events
23:43:16preglowoh?
23:43:19preglowwhat kind of events?
23:43:30Mikachukeypresses i think
23:43:37Mikachuit would open my root.m3u and say it couldn't open a few times
23:43:39preglowright, never managed that with presses
23:43:44preglowonly with wheel
23:43:44ShyKpreglow: yep, once we have that solved, we'll be content :)
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23:44:07preglowShyK: yeah, it is the last remaining piece, which makes it all the much sadder that i can't see it happening in a long time
23:44:58preglowShyK: has any source code on the seeking hack been published?
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23:47:18ShyKpreglow: i think it's just included in the full source but not enabled of course
23:48:47preglowin the libmpcdec source?
23:48:50preglowi can't see it there
23:49:25ShyKno, mppdec in the full source
23:49:42preglowright
23:49:57preglowif i can find a way to detect the noise bursts, i might enable it
23:50:11preglowit'll still be lousy, though, musepack has no seek table
23:50:49ShyKdon't enable it, seriously. i've tested it extensively and bursts occur every once in a while, it's not even rare
23:51:20ShyKno way to avoid it too unfortunately
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23:51:44preglownah, figured
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23:53:34ShyKregarding the bitstream, i hope that since the codec's popularity constantly rises, some people who are able to help with that will show up. people who actually have time and/or aren't restricted from working on it :)
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23:54:51preglowrestricted?
23:55:11preglowyou should consider putting some info up on your site, though
23:55:20preglowit isn't readily apparent that a new bitstream format is needed
23:55:30preglowa simple page detaling what needs to be done, and what has already been done, etc
23:55:30ShyKyes. you'd be surprised how much it is common practice in multimedia related companies to restrict their workers from working on other projects
23:55:51preglowi hate people
23:55:53preglowthey suck
23:56:06t0maswell... 52% of the people are ok if they suck...
23:56:19t0mas</bad remark>
23:56:35preglowhahaha
23:56:38Shadowarrior13And 80% of all statistics are made up >.>
23:56:51t0masShadowarrior13: and 48% of the people are male
23:57:55Shadowarrior13>.>
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