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#rockbox log for 2006-02-13

00:00:09preglowexisting file?
00:00:13preglowisn't this going to be an installer?
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00:00:29CassandraYeah.
00:00:32linuxstbFair point.... But assumed it would also be an upgrader.
00:00:41CassandraBut it upgrades too.
00:00:59CassandraOnce it gets really clever it'll remove the old build and install the new one.
00:01:00preglowsure, but you can't escape the fact that the user is going to be able to destroy his/her unit
00:01:05preglowwe'll just have to live with that
00:01:11preglowjust make the button be large nice images
00:01:12CassandraIn fact I could probably do that with very little effort right now.
00:01:23preglowone way to detect an ipod would be to read the bootsector, though
00:02:09preglowi doubt a lot of people have replaced that
00:02:36Mikachudoes the apple firmware care where the fat32 partition starts?
00:02:44linuxstbNot afaik
00:02:57Mikachumaybe i'll recover that 60MB at some point then..
00:03:13linuxstbJust make sure your Nano never tries to suspend to disk then.
00:03:35Mikachui have ipodlinux in that space now
00:03:47Mikachuper their instructions
00:03:56linuxstbTheir instructions have changed.
00:04:14Mikachu/dev/sda1 * 1 2 16033+ 0 Empty
00:04:14Mikachu/dev/sda2 11 248 1911732 b W95 FAT32
00:04:14Mikachu/dev/sda3 3 10 64260 83 Linux
00:04:16Mikachuthis is no good?
00:04:20linuxstbThe recommended action is to shrink your fat32 partition, and add the ext3 at the end.
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00:04:41*Cassandra gets very annoyed with Windows. It's stopped playing wmv files.
00:04:45linuxstbIt's OK as long as you never let the retailos go into a deep sleep.
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00:06:39Mikachuhm, okay
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00:06:47Mikachuit won't do that while connected right?
00:07:11preglowno
00:07:30CassandraHmm. Bizarre. It plays them in Windows Media Player. Just not in anything else.
00:07:46*Cassandra contemplates hunting down MS.
00:08:08*preglow is dead tired of gui coding
00:08:15preglowhow i hates it
00:08:24Mikachuthis might explain why ipl died once :)
00:08:49Mikachui don't suppose anyone's noted exactly where or how much it uses
00:08:50preglowanything but gui coding, please, oh pretty please
00:09:19Mikachuis hooking up the pitch screen gui coding?
00:09:56XavierGrpreglow: What kind of stuff do you program right now that includes GUI?
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00:12:24preglowXavierGr: nothing for rockbox
00:12:36preglowquite the contrary, it's the reason i'm not doing rockbox
00:14:41Mikachulinuxstb: i'll save a copy of my sda3 and if it enters deepsleep, i'll do a diff to find if it writes something
00:15:30XavierGrpreglow: so your job is related to programming? (or you work as a programmer)
00:15:57preglowyeah, i'm a programmer
00:16:29XavierGrahh so this is why you know all these crazy stuff!!! :D
00:16:40preglowhaha
00:16:44preglowi've just worked as a programmer for a short time
00:16:50preglowit's been a hobby for far longer
00:17:03Bagderyou youngster you
00:17:05Bagder;-)
00:17:13preglowi'm seriously considering working as a gardener instead if i have to do much more gui code
00:17:29dpassen1haha
00:18:14CassandraWow. Even weirder. It's actually the Windows media browser plugin that's gone up the spout. It plays fine from Media Player classic if loaded outside the browser.
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00:19:15XavierGrwhy someone would want to use Windows media whehn you have Media player classic?
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00:22:27Mikachuis not deep sleeping when plugged in on someone's todo? (nano)
00:25:13CassandraActually I'm not sure where the browser plugin is from.
00:25:31CassandraI mean I'd be happy for it to use Media Player Classic.
00:25:37CassandraI'm just not sure it is.
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00:27:09CassandraAh - "About" says its the Windows Media Player Control.
00:27:17CassandraWonder how I can get it to go away.
00:30:00linuxstbMikachu: I have no idea if the ipods would even charge whilst sleeping. If you're happy to risk your ipod, just comment out the "| CHKWAK" from line 129 of firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c - that will prevent your ipod from waking when the charger is plugged in.
00:30:46linuxstbBut that comes with a BIG HEALTH WARNING - if you change that line, you could possibly end up with an ipod you can't wake up.....
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00:33:34Vertigo_tdlin rockbox for the h300 is there any way to browse music while a track is playing?
00:34:09midkayyes, one of the buttons. try a few..
00:34:28midkayi'm 99% sure.. it's on the ipods and archoses
00:34:31XavierGrpress navi
00:34:39XavierGrwhile you are on the WPS
00:34:45XavierGrthen you can do prettu much anything
00:35:13BHSPitLappyso what major cool stuff has happened here in the last few days
00:35:30Vertigo_tdlhey awesome
00:35:40Vertigo_tdlthought i tried every button, ta :]]
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00:35:49qwmyawn.
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00:53:46JdGordonmornin all
00:54:40XavierGrHi
00:55:27JdGordoni just saw ur message re the radio on the mailing list..
00:55:48JdGordony do u need more than 1 preset file?
00:55:59linuxstbFor travelling...
00:56:08XavierGryes
00:56:14JdGordonaaahh... ok that makes sense..
00:56:28XavierGrI made that patch long ago. It was bound to be commited by len0x but then he left.
00:57:21XavierGrI like your patch too, I think both must be included though we must decide how we are going to merge them.
00:57:21JdGordonhow about then a menu item in the radio to list all the fmrs in .rockbox/fmr folders? so u dont have to have them showing the file browser?
00:57:54XavierGrI searched about that solution but useing the browse function is not easy to do.
00:58:31JdGordony not?
00:58:36XavierGrWe will have to make a similar function that sees fmr files. The browse function can do that, but the outcome is that the file is shown in normal browsing too.
00:58:51JdGordonlemme have a play today
00:59:00JdGordonooh.. forums r bak :D
00:59:05XavierGrMy idea was to load the preset temporarily (for the current session) and fire up the radio screen.
00:59:16XavierGrlinuxstb: what do you think?
01:00
01:00:37XavierGrline 673 calls the function I say.
01:00:48*JdGordon didnt think of multiple preset files becuaser its 1000km between cities here :D
01:01:01XavierGrit will show a specific folder with a filter.
01:01:22XavierGrthe filter must be set in line 165 of the patch
01:01:37linuxstbYou could store the presets in .rockbox/fmpresets/ and then have a "browse presets" option in the radio menu.
01:02:03JdGordonthats what i was thinking... keep it all under the radio
01:02:27XavierGrso you mean to call the function with no filter?
01:03:02XavierGrlike:
01:03:06XavierGrrockbox_browse(PRESET_PATH, SHOW_ALL;
01:03:29XavierGrthat way if a non fmr file is in the folder it can take non-valid input.
01:03:51JdGordonna, still call it so it only shows .fmr... but it means that we dont need to fiddle with the filebrowser, also so u dont have unnescacery files shown in the tree
01:03:52linuxstbNo, I think you would still need a .fmr filetype.
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01:03:57XavierGralso changes outside radio.c has to be done for settings.
01:04:20XavierGrlinuxstb: that's the way it is now theb.
01:04:37XavierGrproblem is that if I create an fmr file on root it will be shown.
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01:04:46XavierGr(on the supported files)
01:04:48linuxstbXavierGr: Why is that a problem?
01:05:01XavierGrwhat will happen if the user selects this file?
01:05:18linuxstbIt will set it as the fm presets file.
01:05:18XavierGrmy idea is to temporary load the preset and the radio screen
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01:05:36XavierGrno, fmr files must be in their specific folder as wps files
01:06:03linuxstbA WPS file can be anywhere - it is only remembered after a reboot if it is in .rockbox/wps/
01:06:13XavierGrexactly
01:06:14linuxstbAFAIK
01:06:22linuxstbSo you can do the same with .fmr files.
01:06:29XavierGrso yes we can temporary load the preset
01:06:32XavierGrbut
01:06:50XavierGronly that will don't have a confirm for the user.
01:06:59XavierGrwhy not load the radio with the preset?
01:07:55linuxstbI have no objection to that.
01:08:06linuxstbSeems the "rockbox" thing to do.
01:08:14XavierGrI think that this will be more intuitive.
01:08:39linuxstbOr you simply display a splash saying "FM Presets loaded" when a user selects a .fmr file.
01:08:41XavierGrI can make a small adaptation and add that. currently on the patch it will be displayed but it will do nothing on selection
01:08:46XavierGryes
01:08:50linuxstbSame as a user selecting a .wps
01:09:01XavierGrbut it is a little odd IMHO.
01:09:06XavierGrbut anyway it is your call.
01:09:15XavierGrlet me know and I will adapt it.
01:09:48linuxstbDon't give me the responsibility..... I wouldn't object to either way.
01:10:17XavierGrJdGordon: what;s your opinion?
01:10:22*JdGordon thinks the browse fmr menu under the radio emnu is ebtter...
01:10:36XavierGrbut this is already done
01:10:42JdGordonis it?
01:10:47XavierGryes
01:10:49***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:11:08XavierGrI am just saying what we are going to do when the user encounters an fmr file outside the radio screen.
01:11:24XavierGr(E.g someone puts an fmr file on root)
01:11:27hydraheadhey, are the display issues with greyscale iPods fixed?
01:12:10linuxstbhydrahead: No.
01:12:10JdGordonXavierGr: where is the menu in the radio?
01:12:57XavierGrline 764 on the patch
01:12:58JdGordonanyway, i tihnk settings should stay hidden in the .rockbox folder and not shown, but its not up to me
01:13:06JdGordonah, ok
01:13:16hydraheadso there is still isn't a developer for that? :/
01:13:28XavierGrJdGordon: I think you didn't understand the problem
01:13:41JdGordonno, i get u now
01:13:42XavierGrAs you said the user can load a preset list from the radio menu.
01:13:48linuxstbThe same LCD driver is used for the 3G Grayscale, and there is someone working on that. But he hasn't been around here recently.
01:13:50*JdGordon hasnt been awake very long :p
01:14:24XavierGrSo what do you recomend? What should be the action if the user selects an fmr file from the browser instead of the manu?
01:15:07JdGordonim thinking dont touch the browser code and dont have it visible... but if u really must,. then for sure.. load the presets and start the radio
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01:16:02XavierGrwe must make it visible else I can't open a folder to show only fmr files without a file handler "FMR"
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01:17:27XavierGrokay then. I can make it work that way, but someone will have to look it, and if everything is all-right with my code we can proceed with the radio.wps. (Else if my code is bad, we can procceed with your patch)
01:18:04JdGordonshouldnt be too hard to merge the 2 patches
01:18:18XavierGryeha if it isn't hard we can make that too.
01:18:30aegrayheh i can get funny sounds out of this
01:18:36aegrayheh i can get funny sounds out of this
01:18:40aegraywhoops
01:18:49XavierGrout of which?
01:18:55aegray5g ipod
01:19:21JdGordonalso, change the extension to fmp... wtf is fmr?
01:19:43XavierGrthat was the filename before I started working on it.
01:19:51XavierGrfmr = fm radio I guess.
01:19:58BagderI'd prefer .fm
01:20:19XavierGrthat is trivial to change. but yes can decide.
01:20:36JdGordonBagder: i wanna use fms for the screen ones thats done, so fmp for the presets makes sence?
01:21:38Bagderfms being the WPS for radio?
01:21:46JdGordonye
01:22:15JdGordoncoz it will have to be diff from wps to kill confusion because variables will be different.
01:22:23JdGordonpossibly..
01:22:57Bagderperhaps while radio screen would be more consistent
01:23:14Bagderbut now I'll go to sleep! ;-)
01:23:15XavierGryeah maybe
01:23:22JdGordonof course that would be the plan.. but it may not be possible..
01:23:28XavierGrok Bagder time to say moo then! :D
01:23:34Bagdermoo
01:23:39linuxstbIf you combined fms with the wps, then they could share data structures - e.g. using a combined set of bitmaps.
01:23:46linuxstb(just a thought...)
01:24:33JdGordoni tihnk the bitmaps code is reusable, its the text drawing code which is gonnaneed the work
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01:29:26XavierGrwhat's the uninitialized value of a bool?
01:29:40XavierGror it is pure luck?
01:29:44JdGordongarbage? like everything?
01:30:47XavierGrwell I need an external bool value that I must set. Best way is to declare it to radio.h
01:30:59XavierGrbut how can I make sure that on the first run it will be false?
01:31:46JdGordonwhat do u need it for?
01:32:01linuxstbYou just do "bool myvar = false;" whereever you define it.
01:32:18XavierGrcan I do that on a header file?
01:32:37linuxstbNo - you shouldn't define variables in header files. They should be in a .c file.
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01:32:58XavierGrand then how can I use that variable from another .c file?
01:33:05linuxstbSo in (for example) radio.c you have "bool myvar = false;" and in radio.h you have "extern bool myvar;"
01:33:12XavierGraah
01:33:15XavierGrokay thanks
01:34:02CassandraWeird.
01:34:09CassandraFinally solved my video problems.
01:34:20linuxstbYou installed vlc?
01:34:58CassandraTurns out I somehow had an old version of the WMP plugin installed. Downloading a Netscape plugin from a random MS webpage and disabling hardware acceleration seems to have fixed it.
01:35:38CassandraBe nicer if there was someother plugin available to play WMV, but ...
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01:36:22linuxstbIt would be nicer if websites didn't insist you needed a plugin, and just made the stream link easily available.
01:36:55CassandraWell, yeah. That'd be ideal.
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01:37:40linuxstbThe BBC's about the only site I've seen that does that though.
01:38:50CassandraPah. BBC's stuff sucks.
01:38:55CassandraThey use bloody Realmedia.
01:39:04CassandraAnd my PC always chokes on their streams.
01:39:17linuxstbI just use mplayer. Works fine.,
01:39:28Cassandra(Concievably because I'm using Real Alternative.)
01:40:14 Part tomal
01:41:55CassandraHmm. Linux and sound - no, I don't think I can take the paine.
01:42:17Xerionby sound on linux is working fine :p
01:42:21Xerionmy*
01:42:33CassandraLucky you.
01:43:35Xerioneven in flash heh
01:44:35CassandraYou're hardcore. Can I be your friend?
01:44:55preglowhaha
01:45:03Xerionlol
01:45:04preglowlinux and sound is what i do for work
01:45:35preglowi'm comfortable with being mad
01:45:40markunaegray: are you working on sound for the ipod video?
01:45:53Xerioni didn't really need to do anything besides compiling alsa kernel modules and making sure it was started at boottime ;p
01:45:59aegrayi'm pretending to and just stealing code from linuxstb
01:46:14preglowthat's what you ipl people always do
01:46:23aegrayhaha
01:46:23markunah :)
01:46:27preglowleech off of other people's hard work
01:46:30Xerionof course it's just in my 32 bit firefox flash works
01:46:45aegrayyea we are bastards
01:46:51markunrockbox people would never leech :)
01:46:56preglowexactly!
01:47:10preglowi seriously need some sleep
01:47:13preglowsee ya'll around
01:47:18markungood night then
01:47:24aegraynighty night
01:47:27XavierGrbye
01:47:57aegrayholes from all the points of the forks
01:48:05aegrayyea that wasn't for this channel
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01:51:20Zoide777are there cygwin patches for sdl-config? I'm trying to compile the simulator but it doesn't work. neither does compiling the win32 version
01:51:30*Cassandra had a sick twisted idea - run the Rockbox simulator using SDL on iPodlinux.
01:51:49JdGordony??
01:52:06linuxstbYou could run a nice Archos sim...
01:52:09JdGordonits like those wierdos that run cygwin under wine under cygwin under wine....
01:52:36linuxstbOn the 5g, you could even have background bitmap of an Ondio...
01:52:44markunlinuxstb: tomorrow I'll try to mod my gigabeat and connect the uart to the dock and the rs323 connector to my cradle
01:53:10XavierGrJdGordon: Are there any people like that?
01:53:20CassandraI said it was sick and twisted.
01:53:35JdGordonbreaky time..
01:53:38linuxstbmarkun: We're all patiently waiting for you to brick your gigabeat...
01:53:41JdGordonXavierGr: for testing or something..
01:53:44ashridahZoide777: in what way doesn't it work?
01:53:45markun:)
01:54:03XavierGrhaha like flashing a gameboy to emulate an a gameboy. Twisted indeed
01:54:11XavierGrr/an
01:54:33XavierGrmarkun have faith :D
01:54:38XavierGr(in you of course)
01:55:07linuxstbAn old joke, but I still like it: http://yorgle.cis.rit.edu/Image/2005/12/ipod_ipl.jpg
01:55:31XavierGrhehe ROFLMAO
01:55:34CassandraWell possibly the iPodLinux people'd find it useful.
01:55:36Zoide777ashridah: the sdl compile asks for "sdl-config", while the win32 compile gives many errors in lcd-win32.c
01:55:47CassandraSince they could run Rockbox without rebooting.
01:56:04CassandraAnd I understand we kick Podzilla's arse when it comes to audio.
01:56:26linuxstbOnly because we don't have the overhead of the linux kernel, and we use iram.
01:56:39Zoide777ashridah: the errors are in lines 39, 111-114 of lcd-win32.c
01:56:51ashridahZoide777: okay, have you installed the SDL libraries?
01:57:08Zoide777I'm not sure which I should install
01:57:18Cassandralinuxstb, well, if you're going to bring reality into it ...
01:57:26ashridahwell, chances are, you'd have to compile it, i think
01:57:40Zoide777ahhh
01:57:47Zoide777do i need make native or make cross?
01:57:55ashridahnative
01:58:08Zoide777and does anyone know why the win32 build doesn't work?
01:58:15ashridahthere's no value in a cross-compiled SDL, since it's for the simulator (and it won't have any way to run on the target at any rate :)
01:58:28ashridahthe win32 build is kinda deprecated, which platform are you building for?
01:58:40Zoide777I'm running winxp
01:58:41linuxstbCassandra: A better hack would to be run Linux inside a virtual ipod in Rockbox.
01:58:59ashridahZoide777: no, which music player are you building for
01:59:03CassandraEwwww
01:59:13Zoide777ashridah: 4g grayscale
01:59:38ashridahZoide777: okay, ipod. i don't know if that's ever had a working win32 simulator, we've been moving to the SDL one.
01:59:52Cassandraashridah, there's already SDL for iPodlinux.
02:00
02:00:32ashridahZoide777: anyway, wander over to www.libsdl.org, grab SDL-1.2.9.tar.gz put it someplace that you can unpack it in cygwin, and compile it using "./configure" then "make" then "make install"
02:00:48ashridahhopefully, that should install it in /usr/local in your cygwin environment
02:01:20josh_heh. good luck.
02:01:27josh_I have had nothing but trouble installing SDL in cygwin.
02:01:36ashridahit's worked fine for me
02:01:43linuxstbZoide777: No, there isn't a win32 sim for the 4g grayscale. But you could try other sims - what do you need it for?
02:01:48ashridahdepends, if you're using the devkit, that might make it entertaining
02:01:52josh_linuxstb: *do* you have an iPod sim?
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02:02:03josh_and how much does it simulate?
02:02:13linuxstbjosh_: It's a "UI simulator" - the same thing as you running Podzilla on a PC.
02:02:18josh_ah.
02:02:34josh_I thought you had an armemu :-)
02:03:15Zoide777linuxstb: i wanted to make a custom wps, but without having to upload it to the ipod, etc. every time i want to preview the changes
02:03:30linuxstbThen you can use the iriver H120/H140 sim - the LCD is identical.
02:03:42ashridahlinuxstb: which he still needs to build :)
02:03:50linuxstbYes, but there is a win32 version.
02:03:54ashridahtrue
02:04:10Zoide777oh, i think i had found win32 builds on some website
02:04:15Zoide777i'll just get it from there
02:04:17Zoide777thanks
02:05:24Zoide777(rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/)
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02:09:14Zoide777stupid question: how do you "turn on" the h120 sim? all I see are the little icons at the top status bar
02:09:50linuxstbIt is "on" - you need to copy some files into the "archos" subdirectory.
02:10:31Zoide777ahhh... ok thanks
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02:50:54midgey34gah, I forgot to attach the patch to sourceforge
02:51:06midgey34how exactly would I go about attaching it
02:53:02JdGordonif u were logged in u can just add a new file when u add a comment
02:53:15midgey34yah... forgot that too...
02:53:27JdGordonsubmit again then
02:53:34midgey34alright
02:54:42midgey34you'd think I wouldn't miss the big red writing...
02:54:54JdGordonna, everyone misses it :D
02:55:56midgey34well, if someone wants to look at it or at least close the anonymous patch, be my guest
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02:59:09nave7693hi any archos people around?
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02:59:47JdGordonmr impatient :D
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03:03:46JdGordonlinuxstb: for the radio wps.. would it be "ok" to just make up fake id3 info for the radio and then use the current wps code in full?
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03:08:37linuxstbJdGordon: Anything that means you can reuse existing code should be good.
03:08:58JdGordonwould it work? im thinking it will..
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03:14:05adamdhey hey. I know this is veeeeeeeery off topic, but, this is the best place I can think of that I know where people will know their stuff about MP3 players.
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03:14:20adamdso, has anyone any idea whether this player is decent or not http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=ELEC&title=852363&p=292&g=376&pa=stgts6
03:15:00adamda friend is asking. I'd normally tell him to avoid ones that aren't well known brands [this appears to be some kind of other brand rebranded as play.com] but the deal looks alright...
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03:19:00yeahxif I google for easy nano rockbox installation do you think something will come up?
03:19:55adamdthat was the most disgusting sunflower seed I've ever eaten
03:20:04adamdand I only realised this once it was halfway down my throat
03:20:11adamdyack........ yack yack yack
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03:20:25adamdit's vile
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03:21:51Zoide777what does "Error accessing playlist control file" mean?
03:22:37adamddon't think he's interested in putting rockbox on it or anything, just wondering if it looked like a good player
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03:35:20XavierGrhow can I queue commands in linux?
03:35:34JdGordon&& ?
03:35:38XavierGre.g date if successfull then echo
03:36:22XavierGryup that did it thanks
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03:40:08yeahxoh ok
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03:43:35ashridahXavierGr: at
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03:43:41ashridahor cron, if it repeats
03:43:55ashridahbut for most things i'd use at
03:44:15XavierGrsorry?
03:44:22XavierGrwhat's cron?
03:44:32ashridahXavierGr: cron's the command scheduler.
03:44:39ashridahat's the once-off command scheduler
03:45:11ashridahlike, you type "at 4pm" and press enter, and it'll let you type commands in
03:45:17ashridahthey just won't be attached to a shell :)
03:45:31XavierGrI think && suits me best.
03:46:05midkaydoes anyone here know how/want to play Mafia? :)
03:46:39yeahxthanks I'll just use google
03:49:02ashridahmidkay: i played that once. i rolled the taxi after i got away from the dudes (who were easy to lose) taking a simple corner, and deleted the game
03:49:45midkayashridah, .... wrong game? :))
03:50:05ashridahno, pretty sure it was mafia
03:50:50midkayi'm talking an irc game :)
03:50:57midkayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(game)
03:51:00ashridahokay
03:51:04ashridahthat's a different game
03:51:29midkayi think so, yes :)
03:53:59XavierGrhaha
03:54:17XavierGrwe call it "Palermo nights" here.
03:54:55midkayXavierGr, you know how to play?
03:55:51XavierGryes, though it is a little different from the standart.
03:56:08midkayyou should join us :) server: glowingcow.net - #thegame
03:56:15midkaymore players = more fun :)
03:56:56XavierGrhehe, maybe I will drop by later, now I am programming something
03:57:03XavierGrhow many players you are?
03:57:24midkaythere's 11 players right now, and one is the "master" so it's ten in all
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04:11:57Zoide777is there a way of placing text vertically in a wps w/ more precision than just a single line?
04:12:39midkayZoide777, if it's not on the wiki WPS page, then no, I don't believe so :)
04:12:48Rob2222hi all
04:12:55XavierGrHI
04:12:57Rob2222is there audio on the video, yet?
04:13:00XavierGrno
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04:13:05Rob2222hi XavierGr, any news from iriver?
04:13:09XavierGryou got an iPod Video?
04:13:32XavierGrYeah they sending me the unit back. I will probably have it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
04:13:39XavierGr(I hope they fixed it ;))
04:13:48Rob2222no, but my cohabitant and cousin
04:13:57Rob2222WOW
04:14:01Rob2222THAT is fast,
04:14:12XavierGryeah this was pretty fast.
04:14:40XavierGrThough they didn't clarified if they fixed it. The mail was cosy so i think they did.
04:15:10Rob2222yes, why not.
04:15:57XavierGrThey are very laconical in their answers. They type very briefly, so I don't know much details.
04:16:06Rob2222well see
04:18:10Rob2222are you looked at battery bench in the last version?
04:18:17yeahxso nano install only works on M$?
04:18:50linuxstbyeahx: No - read the instructions.
04:19:32XavierGrRob: No, did you?
04:20:16XavierGrThe bloody standarlised excel sheet was very difficult to make. I will try again for it the other week if I find some time.
04:20:41Rob2222aha ok
04:20:52XavierGrlinuxstb: Do you know what I will write next to make to ouput only errors and warnings?
04:21:02Rob2222ill just want to implement > and < compare instead of !=
04:21:09yeahxI only see windows instructions
04:21:45XavierGrRob: The buffer is huge. Many measurements is a good thing.
04:22:06XavierGrYour charging discharging idea is included
04:22:30Rob2222XavierGr: http://www.skyhoppel.de/rob/H300/battery_bench.txt
04:22:43Rob2222almost 40kb now
04:22:51Rob2222well
04:22:58Rob2222i wanna have both versions ;)
04:23:10Rob2222can i rename a .rock file simply?
04:27:11XavierGrwhat's the A, U, C?
04:27:41XavierGrC, S, U i mean
04:27:41Rob2222adapter connected, usb connected, charging
04:27:53XavierGrare these your changes or Bgers?
04:27:59Rob2222Bg3r
04:28:02Rob2222bgers
04:28:22XavierGrI don't get it.
04:28:26XavierGrC = ?
04:28:47Rob2222charger connected, charging state, usb connected
04:28:58Rob2222or usb charging, dont know
04:29:12XavierGrstrange we should ask Bger
04:29:25XavierGrAnd I must update the wiki, once I learn all those.
04:29:38Rob2222first 2 im sure
04:29:43Rob2222see in my log
04:29:49Rob2222charger connected all the time
04:29:59Rob2222after some days voltage dropped
04:30:06Rob2222and charger started charging
04:30:17Zoide777has there been any progress with the battery on the ipod?
04:30:23Zoide777(as in displaying how much is left)
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04:31:17XavierGrwow 181 measurements between disk activity!
04:31:24XavierGrThough the buffer can hold 1000
04:31:49XavierGrThat was a big test Rob. ~90 hours is a long time.
04:32:00XavierGrYou managed to disalign the graph.
04:32:20Rob2222lol
04:32:23Rob2222yes
04:32:35Rob2222the unit is unused a week or so
04:32:47Rob2222cause i wanna test self discharge
04:33:01Rob2222now with my mod a should get a nice little log file
04:33:02Rob2222:)
04:34:13yeahxok I'll just have to do it in windows
04:34:19yeahxthanks
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04:40:42Zoide777hello?
04:43:27XavierGrhi
04:44:12Zoide777is the progressbar supposed to be working for the 4g grayscale?
04:44:25XavierGrDunno, sorry
04:45:03Zoide777k.. any news on the battery display?
04:45:24XavierGrI think the iPod devs are not here
04:45:55XavierGrtry at 11:00 GMT
04:46:02XavierGror 12
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04:47:29Paul_The_NerdZoide777: The battery display isn't really a priority I believe, so it's a matter of when someone gets around to it as I believe on a relative scale it's fairly minor to implement.
04:47:34Paul_The_NerdI could be wrong though
04:47:51Rob2222audio on video would be nice
04:47:58Rob2222aaaaah i like this phrase
04:47:59Rob2222:)
04:48:09Zoide777hehe, yeah
04:48:44Zoide777ok, one more thing.. has anyone had luck with converting fonts to fnt? it seems from everything i search online that it's a pain to get convbdf to work
04:49:35Paul_The_NerdAre you having problems with it?
04:49:51Rob2222XavierGr: Is there a file size limit of battery_bench.txt the plugin can handle?
04:50:38XavierGrno
04:50:44XavierGrit can handle big files
04:50:50Rob22222GB
04:50:52Rob2222;)
04:50:55XavierGrah yes
04:51:22XavierGrbut I doubt a .txt can be so big with battery bench.
04:51:33XavierGrmaybe if you run it for more than 4 years
04:51:57Rob2222 http://www.skyhoppel.de/rob/H300/battery_bench.txt <= recheck the latest version. 127h :)
04:52:10XavierGrman you are sick ;)
04:52:39midkayXavierGr, take a break and join us you bastard :)
04:52:44Zoide777Paul_The_Nerd: I tried using it but it gave a segfault. I read on some forum thread this happens a lot w/ the converter
04:52:59Rob2222how much measurements can be made without disc access? (usb mode)
04:54:27XavierGrmidkay: you are on a different server.
04:54:34midkayXavierGr, yes? :)
04:54:58XavierGrwhich was the server again?
04:55:13midkayserver: glowingcow.net - #thegame
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05:10:38XavierGrhehe that was fun
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05:11:03godzirraSooo... any word on 5g ipod rockbox? =)
05:11:21XavierGrnot yet
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05:13:42godzirraahh well. figured I'd ask :)
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05:45:50JdGordonXavierGr: still there?
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05:47:55XavierGryes
05:48:05XavierGrI am nearly finishing my changes.
05:48:11JdGordonah cool
05:48:19JdGordonwas about to ask that :p
05:48:34XavierGr(though I will have to test thoroughly something I might finish the next day)
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06:22:09aridesehi guys
06:22:20BHSPitLappyhi individual.
06:22:36aridesecan rockbox play back 320kbps mp3's and ogg's without skipping on 3g's?
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06:22:42aridesehi other individual
06:22:51BHSPitLappyoh, 3G
06:23:01BHSPitLappy3G is very new to rockbox
06:23:06arideseand it's not supported
06:23:08arideseright?
06:23:08BHSPitLappyyou'll have to ask someone here what its status is
06:23:28BHSPitLappyaridese: the word 'supported' doesn't really mean what it does over in iPL...
06:23:54arideseah heh
06:24:16BHSPitLappybut just to introduce you, preglow and linuxstb are the two iPod guys, they're brilliant and work like hosses to bring rockbox to iPod owners
06:24:29BHSPitLappyand slimx has been working on the 3G port
06:24:37arideseah, i see
06:24:59arideseis rockbox based of iPL?
06:25:10BHSPitLappyrockbox is completely separate from iPL
06:25:16BHSPitLappythe projects have different goals.
06:25:18arideseah
06:25:38BHSPitLappyrockbox has been around on the archos and other platforms for a long time, iPods are relatively a new target
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06:26:13BHSPitLappybut a lot of the iPod port utilized the progress iPL had made
06:26:47arideseyeah im reading about it now at the site, sounds good
06:26:52aridesebut what's the goal of this project?
06:27:31BHSPitLappyto create an mp3 player firmware that's fully functional, isn't database-driven (drag-and-drop), and, uh
06:27:33BHSPitLappyjust plain badass?
06:27:45arideseah heh
06:27:46dpassen1definitely badass
06:28:16BHSPitLappyiPL is just that, a linux distro on iPods :P
06:28:35BHSPitLappyjust like on desktops, sound is there if you want it. maybe.
06:29:07JdGordonso rb is badass now is it?
06:29:19JdGordonall thanx to rockDOOM :D
06:29:21BHSPitLappythat's where rockbox excels over linux, it's all from scratc
06:29:27BHSPitLappyJdGordon: does that work now/
06:29:30BHSPitLappy*?
06:29:37JdGordonon the h300 i tinhk so
06:29:40BHSPitLappyaw
06:29:42*BHSPitLappy waits for nano
06:30:13arideseooh, is there unicode/cyrillic support in the ipod version?
06:30:25JdGordonye
06:30:37JdGordonuse the unifont font..
06:30:45JdGordonumm.. i tinhk
06:31:02*JdGordon assumes ipod has the same unicode funcitonality as the h300 version
06:31:15BHSPitLappyyeh
06:31:32arideseah ok
06:32:49BHSPitLappydo you intend to use another language?
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06:34:18arideseyeah most of my music is in russian
06:34:20BHSPitLappyha, there's a font that gives you 24 menu entries on a nano :P
06:34:35aridesewow
06:34:37BHSPitLappyand there's still the status bar and a little space at the bottom
06:34:38JdGordonfark.. how damn small is it?
06:34:47BHSPitLappy5
06:34:50BHSPitLappywell
06:34:55BHSPitLappyit's called like TinyProp-5
06:35:19JdGordonhahaha barely readable on the h300
06:35:34dpassen1i dont even wanna try it on my 120
06:35:52JdGordon33 lmines with that font on the h300
06:36:19BHSPitLappyheh
06:36:33arideseanyway −− im gonna go sleep, bye all
06:36:34BHSPitLappyisn't it weird, that when I use a font that's as big as the ipod's normal font, it seems way to big in rockbox :P
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06:37:23JdGordonthe ipod uses a huge font tho doesnt it? like u have 3 rows or something?
06:37:29BHSPitLappylol
06:37:33BHSPitLappy6 on the nano IIRC
06:37:41BHSPitLappyit uses size 12
06:37:45BHSPitLappyand the 5G uses 18
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06:43:19Jungti1234hi
06:43:40Jungti1234http://pds2.egloos.com/pds/1/200602/13/67/a0004367_145171.jpg <- what's this?
06:44:09JdGordonthe new 6g video maybe?
06:44:10Jungti1234It has wide screen curiously.
06:44:11dpassen1an artists conception
06:45:16Jungti1234Rumor? Real?
06:45:26dpassen1rumor
06:45:30Jungti1234haha
06:45:41dpassen1theres a lot of mockups floating around
06:45:56dpassen1though no one would be surprised if the 6G did in fact have some similarities to that
06:46:07Jungti1234I saw its detailed spec.
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07:02:35XavierGrJdGordon: Still here?
07:02:40JdGordonye
07:03:28XavierGrI am done with major issues. I will update the patch on the patch tracker. Want to test it?
07:04:11JdGordonyes.. and no
07:04:24XavierGrehm?
07:04:28JdGordonim getting the wps going on the radio so i cant really test it atm
07:04:38XavierGrah okay
07:04:56XavierGris it on the final level?
07:05:18JdGordonno where near it... but i think its about to compile with no errors :D well the first bit
07:05:35JdGordonjust, ive played with radio.c way too much to try adding your patch atm...
07:07:27XavierGrok then I will ask tomorrow someone to see into the patch. If this is commited then you will be able to port it (and I will help) more easy.
07:07:38JdGordonyup
07:07:50XavierGrhttps://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=1315353
07:07:51JdGordongood news :D my first changes didnt kill the wps on the mp3 screen :D
07:07:56XavierGrnice
07:08:53XavierGroh there is a slight update problem on some splashes but I am not sure what is wrong. I am not used to the new gui functions. A refresh maybe?
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07:09:57XavierGroh right in time!
07:10:06XavierGrMorning Bagder
07:10:12B4gderhey ho
07:10:57JdGordonis B4gder Bagder and Bg3r all the same person?
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07:11:43BHSPitLappybah http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3130/ibrick3sl.jpg
07:11:51B4gdernah, Bagder and B4gder are, bger and Bg3r are not
07:12:00ashridahJdGordon: 2 out of three ain't bad
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07:12:11JdGordonhaha ok
07:12:40B4gderI use one client at home and one at work, using 'a' cvs '4' in the nick
07:12:42yeahxalright I finaly got rockbox on the nano
07:12:50yeahxput the Dull laptop to good use
07:13:24XavierGrBagder: Me and JdGordon are doing some modifications in radio. Unfortunately we didn't started together so we must merge too patches. I am working on mutliple fmr preset handling and he is working on FM radio while screen. I think that it would be nice to review my finished patch, and if it is valid commit it so that JdGordon has a base to start the merge. Can you do it, or if you can't inform a dev that might be able to look at it?
07:13:35XavierGrSorry for the big phrase.
07:14:02XavierGrI will fall for sleep right now, else I would ask someone to look it
07:15:10B4gderI don't consider myself to be the man for that job. I never fiddled with that code, nor do I ever use the radio
07:15:20XavierGrokay.
07:15:24B4gdersorry
07:15:50XavierGrnp, I just telling it to you if you had someone in mind... ;)
07:16:15B4gderjust the usual bunch
07:18:56yeahxwill there be a rockbox for shuffle you think?
07:19:21B4gderyeahx: if someone decides to work on that, sure
07:19:33JdGordonyeahx: navigation might be a pain tho
07:19:41XavierGrand development
07:19:44B4gderbut I expect that to be pain involved
07:19:45JdGordonbut.. image how sweet the wps could look :p
07:19:58XavierGrI can't think how could one develop on such thing
07:20:05yeahxjust for the added formats ofcourse
07:20:08JdGordonis it ok to change the wps screen to show frequency in kHz now instead of Hz ?
07:20:10aegraylinuxstb: up?
07:21:09XavierGrJdGordon: It is shown in Mhz at the moment
07:21:14XavierGrwhy KHz?
07:21:22JdGordonit is?
07:21:36XavierGryeah like 91.30
07:21:40*JdGordon is getting confused
07:21:52JdGordonnoo.. not on the radio... int he mp3 wps screen
07:21:59XavierGrahhh
07:22:11XavierGrsorry I asked because I thought you were working into it
07:22:31JdGordondamn, radio is in mhz? bugger...
07:22:56JdGordontrying to make the radio/mp3 wps work together with minimal code hacking
07:23:55Bg3rmorning :)
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07:39:41JdGordondoes any1 know where the wps is actually loaded?
07:44:42Bg3rJdGordon hm
07:46:53Bg3rapps/gui/gwps.c wps_data_load() ?
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07:48:17JdGordonumm... holy crap
07:48:19JdGordonits working :D
07:48:39Bg3r:)
07:48:42JdGordonhahaha.. sweeeeet :D
07:48:49Bg3rwps in the radio screen ?
07:48:54JdGordonye
07:49:08leftrightmorning, I have a weird problem H140, It wont boot into Rockbox, it starts to load Rockbox, then the hard drive goes "clack" and it loads iriver firmaware, I have reinstalled and reflashed the bootloader it still does the same thing
07:49:11JdGordonand hardly any code changes :D
07:49:51leftrightI have also reinstalled Rockbox files, still wont boot into Rockbox
07:50:39 Part yeahx
07:50:49JdGordonneeds work.. but its started :D
07:50:56B4gderleftright: and this is rockbox for the right model ?
07:51:32leftrightok I will reverify that, one sec
07:52:34leftrightah man what a twat I am, I am trying to make it work with H300 stuff,
07:52:44leftrightthanks B4gder
07:52:47B4gdernp
07:53:35BHSPitLappywhat horrifying language
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08:03:28*B4gder wonders when the GPLv3 question is gonna show up in Rockbox
08:03:45aegrayNOW!
08:03:54XavierGrLinus Rejected it :D
08:03:57B4gder:-)
08:03:59Bg3rB4gder huh is the GPLv3 ready ?
08:04:18B4gderno, but there's a draft out
08:04:25B4gderTorvalds dismissed it
08:04:29XavierGryeah
08:04:30B4gderfor Linux
08:04:40Bg3rhmz...
08:04:48Bg3rwhy ?
08:05:06B4gderhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/26/linux_torvalds_gpl/
08:05:23B4gderyou need to read the draft to fully grasp what they're trying to do with v3
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08:27:35XavierGrdoes Bootlader v2 in h300 had USB bootloader mode?
08:28:11XavierGrhttp://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36983
08:28:19XavierGrthis guy seems to have a problem...
08:30:09Bg3ri don't think so
08:30:22Bg3rsee the diffs on the IriverBoot page
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08:30:31XavierGryou mean it didn't had it?
08:30:34XavierGrah
08:30:36XavierGrokay
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08:32:05Bg3riirc, the bootloader USB for h300 was introduced in v5
08:35:26XavierGrha Linus you are fasr.
08:35:29XavierGr^fast
08:35:57XavierGrI told him to open his player as a last resort and remove the HD.
08:36:15XavierGrI remember that default firmware can boot without a Disk
08:37:12Bg3rcan it ?
08:38:37XavierGryes I did this on my H300 before I sent it back
08:38:45XavierGrand the H100 can do this too.
08:49:56Bg3ryou opened your h300 ? :)
08:50:03Bg3rbefore sending it for RMA ?
08:50:18XavierGrYes how should they know I opened it?
08:50:32XavierGrthey don't have any warranty void stickers
08:50:34Bg3rif u've done it correctly they shouldn't
08:51:03XavierGrwell truth is that it wasn't a perfect fit when I reasembled it... ;p
08:51:11Bg3ronly if you've scratched te screws
08:51:21Bg3rthe
08:51:57XavierGragain, I had a bad screwdriver, I tried to split the mobo from the case but it needed lots of pressure so I gave up.
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08:52:05XavierGrAlso,
08:52:40XavierGrwhen I tried to test the USB OTG pins with a multimeter, I broke a little piece there. (but it is nearly invisible)
08:53:09XavierGr(this should be my mark to see if they repaired my player or fixed it)
08:53:41XavierGr^or replaced it I mean)
08:55:40Bg3ryep, i got it
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09:05:31Bg3rneedleboy hi :)
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09:15:11lamedgood day
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09:25:45Bg3rneedleboy, morning
09:25:46Bg3rhere ?
09:29:35XavierGrOh damn it is 10:29am!
09:29:57XavierGrI am an all nighter >|
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09:30:37XavierGrI had to finish the multi-fmr preset handling. So if there is any dev vacant please look itno it.
09:30:43XavierGrI have to sleep!
09:30:45XavierGrLater all.
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09:33:35Bg3rnite, XavierGr
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09:45:01ashridahookay. why did i just get spam from misticriver's forums in my email?
09:45:09ashridahi'm pretty sure i never opted in for that
09:46:47ashridahmotherfucking. and the option to turn it off doesn't show up in the user options either
09:47:54B4gderI didn't get any (yet)
09:49:21B4gderhm that "receive email" section on MR is screwed up for me
09:49:31ashridahyes
09:49:36ashridahthere are two anonymous checkboxes
09:49:40B4gderyes
09:49:46B4gderand both are checked for me
09:49:48ashridahi assume one of them was supposed to be the one that'll turn it off
09:49:57B4gdercould be
09:50:19preglowyes, i just got it too...
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09:53:31Bg3rB4gder can i commit a language update by an anonymous person ?
09:54:12preglowjust ask for a name
09:54:15LinusNwhat a funny request
09:54:24Bg3rLinusN not a request :)
09:54:38Bg3rhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429436&group_id=44306&atid=439120 <= talking about this
09:54:47Bg3rbut there are problems with missing IDs, so..
09:54:51Bg3ri'll add a comment
09:55:17needleboyBg3r, I'm here...
09:55:34safetydanAnyone tried the X11 sim lately? Does sound work without issue?
09:55:44*safetydan would compile it locally but doesn't have the source at work
09:55:59LinusNthe x11 sim will soon be deprecated
09:56:13Bg3rneedleboy i just want to know which remote patch u're using in the recent builds
09:57:34safetydanLinusN, I'm aware of that but I'm curious to see if the sound still works. I can't for the life of me make the SDL sim sound work right and I'm wondering if it's something in the playback code itself
09:57:57needleboyBg3r: this one: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1424403&group_id=44306&atid=439120
09:58:06safetydanEven rewriting the SDL sound code from scratch results in the same sound artefacts as the current method
09:58:14preglowhah
09:58:15preglowhow nice
09:58:26preglowsim sound hasn ever worked well for me
09:58:30preglownot with sdl, not with any sim
09:58:42B4gderit worked for me when I added it in the x11
09:58:45Mikachunow for my first field test of rockbox
09:58:50Bg3rneedleboy 10x
09:58:55B4gderhaven't actually tried it in a good while
09:58:56needleboyno prob
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10:00:11Bg3rB4gder any chances of moving the tracker to other site ?...
10:00:28preglowwe'd need to make our own tracker software...
10:00:36preglowgranted, that shouldn't be hard
10:00:52B4gderBg3r: the minute we have an alternative
10:01:14B4gderall the existing entries are available as XML
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10:01:42B4gderso it would be possibly to import them into something else
10:01:47B4gderpossible
10:01:55Bg3raha...
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10:02:12Bg3rat least this is good
10:02:28B4gderthe tracker pages on rockbox.org are generated from that XML export file
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10:06:42Zagori think we should move to flyspray
10:07:00Zagorit looks pretty good, and not as complex to use as bugzilla
10:07:34Zagorbut someone needs to write a conversion script for the existing issues
10:07:42*preglow nominates bagder
10:07:59Zagoryeah, he's not doing anything useful anyway ;-)
10:08:23preglowabout time the bastard starting pulling his weight around here
10:08:26B4gdernow now, that's my area of expertise. I'm very good at doing nothing
10:09:01preglowthe sf stuff is xml, hyes?
10:09:07Zagoryes
10:09:23preglownow please, isn't this an excellent way to close all those old requests/bugs/patches? :)
10:09:40Zagorhehe
10:09:45B4gder-rw-rw-r−− 1 dast rockbox 7517418 Feb 13 06:04 export.xml
10:10:15Zagorlooks like it includes all attachments too. that's nice.
10:10:24B4gderno, I think it doesn't
10:10:37B4gderiirc, that was what rasher found out
10:10:41Zagoraha
10:10:49B4gderhe actually started (thinking) on a conversion script
10:11:07Zagorhmm, so we need to spider the SF site for the attachments
10:11:07B4gderin bugzilla there's a sample "import from XML" script
10:11:26B4gderZagor: or simply add pointers to the existing entries for those cases
10:12:20Zagorthat's an option. of course I'd prefer to be completely rid of SF.
10:12:21B4gderthen again, if we write a XML parser for it it should be possible to extract the attachments as well I guess
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10:12:38B4gderI know a tool called curl that should do it ;-)
10:15:34Bg3r:P
10:18:13*linuxstb is listening to music on his ipod video...
10:18:22B4gderyay
10:18:31preglowwtf
10:18:47preglowi think there are a couple of people over at ipodlinux that would like to hear that
10:19:03preglowbrb
10:19:26Bg3rlinuxstb now comes the question: with rockbox or with orig fw ? :)
10:19:30LinusNlinuxstb: c00000l!!!
10:19:54*LinusN waits for the "gentlemen" mail
10:19:58linuxstbBg3r: I would hardly announce that the original firmware works as advertised :)
10:20:02JdGordoncongrats :D
10:20:06Bg3r:D
10:20:15linuxstbWe haven't figured out the clocks yet, so it's playing at about 96KHz....
10:20:24linuxstb(we is aegray and myself)
10:20:29LinusNmickey mouse?
10:20:38linuxstbYep.
10:20:47B4gderah, pitch support added already! ;-P
10:20:58linuxstbBut we finally (after going through Wolfson's entire catalogue) found a datasheet that worked.
10:21:17B4gderindeed an amazing progress!
10:21:18linuxstbBut aegray got it working last night whilst I was sleeping.....
10:22:48aegrayspeaking of which - anyone know a bit about clocking + plls?
10:22:57*preglow points to linusn
10:23:00*aegray wants it working now!
10:23:11lamedif we'll move to a different tracker site, will you fancy the idea of letting the submitter delete his own trackers? -and I think submitting to someone else tracker will be highly convenient won't you agree?
10:23:11aegraypreglow: you exploded - you can't point anymore
10:23:19preglowaegray: i'm ok again now
10:23:25aegrayfast recovery
10:23:28preglowaegray: it happens
10:23:37B4gderlamed: I agree
10:23:54aegrayLinusN: are you around?
10:23:58LinusNyup
10:24:02aegrayhi
10:24:10lamedthat's good, because _you_ make things happend :D
10:24:59lamedI'm fixing brickmania patch for h1x0. any idea where will i put it?!
10:25:02aegrayLinusN: all the other codecs we've dealt with had a special mode that took a 24MHZ clock - this one doesn't so we have to play with the pll - but for some reason no matter what I do it seems like its 2x the speed it should be
10:25:03preglowaegray: so, what sheet'd you have to go after?
10:25:13aegrayWM8983
10:25:22aegrayafter spending several hours on that 8982 ahhahaha
10:25:25*aegray dumbass
10:25:29B4gderlamed: feel free to create a new entry, and mention which tracker entry you obsolete by doing so
10:25:53preglowaegray: what about doing a nice little firmware disassembly search for the pll reg addresses?
10:26:24aegrayerm - for the pll on the wolfson we have the regs
10:26:26aegrayand for the pp
10:26:27aegray:)
10:26:35LinusNaegray: data sheet url?
10:26:38aegrayI just don't know what i'm doing
10:26:38aegrayjas
10:26:50aegrayhttp://www.wolfsonmicro.com/uploads/documents/en/WM8983.pdf
10:26:54JdGordondoes any1 know the wps code? where abouts is a line figured out? i want to add a check to skip the line..
10:27:20aegraypage 66-71 are the interesting ones
10:28:19lamedB4gder: I always feel like i'm causing more havoc that way... e.g. the star game fix has a double entry, mine is the cvsed-ready version, it's there for a long long time :|
10:28:47B4gderlamed: that's still my best advice :-/
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10:32:34lamedI need a 3rd party site that hosts files 4 free. anyone?
10:35:12LinusNaegray: i assume you don't know which frequency SYSCLK is?
10:35:53aegraysee i'm confused - is SYSCLK the external clock coming in?
10:37:04JdGordonlamed: how long u need the file alive for? http://yousendit.com is good, but its only alive for 7 days or 15 downloads i tinhk
10:37:56aegrayah MCLK is the input
10:38:41LinusNaegray: page 70
10:39:14LinusNyou need to know which frequency MCLK is
10:39:21linuxstbaegray: I've just tried writing 0x49 to the clock gen control register (reg 0x06), and (along with 0 for SR in register 7) gives me something that sounds like 44.1KHz.
10:39:21aegraythat one I know - 24MHZ
10:39:33LinusNok, there you go
10:40:08LinusNnow you want to generate a 44.1kHz clock by dividing it accordingly
10:40:21preglowwhat does AC_SUBST do...
10:40:33preglowi love things which aren't explained in big several hundred page big manuals
10:41:09aegraylinuxstb: i was doing that but it doesn't seem like its accurate
10:41:20B4gderpreglow: it substitutes variables with their contents
10:41:33B4gder@VAR@ style
10:42:13B4gderiirc
10:42:15aegrayLinusN: if you look at page 66 its talking about geerating the sample rate from clocks at (12.288MHZ or 11.2896MHZ) - that would be the PLL output right?
10:42:39linuxstbaegray: It's good enough for me at the moment. But Rockbox (due to limitations in the iriver H1x0 and H3x0) resamples everything to 44.1KHz. So I just need 44.1KHz for audio to work.
10:42:51aegrayah k
10:43:07LinusNaegray: no, i believe that would be the typical mclk in the reference design
10:43:17preglowB4gder: ahh, yes, that's correct. i still haven't got the workings of this holy mess of tools very well pictured
10:43:36LinusNaegray: those two are very common oscillator frequencies
10:43:40aegrayah k - i just got really confused because of the table showing how to use the pll to output 11.29 and 12.288
10:43:43aegrayok
10:43:56aegrayso i need my pll to output 44100
10:44:31LinusNhmm, wait a sec
10:46:41LinusNbasically, you want to set the pll to output one of those frequencies
10:46:56linuxstbpreglow: When you have time, can you look at that WM8983.pdf (aegray posted the link about 20 minutes ago) and let me know what you think of the 5-band EQ? It starts at page 43.
10:47:09lamedjdgordon: thanks. but it's a patch, so i'm thinking it should stay avalible for longer than that
10:47:28JdGordondcc it and ill host it for ya then
10:47:42aegrayLinusN: i'm currently doing that and setting mclkdiv and sr to what it says in that table (bottom of 66) - but its still like double time
10:47:49aegraylemme try something real quick
10:47:50preglowi can have quick look now
10:47:57lamedcorrently, only color targets can draw transperent parts, right?
10:48:29LinusNlamed: currently, yes
10:48:38lamed10x
10:48:55preglow40mW per output channel, not too shabby
10:49:45aegrayhmm
10:49:48LinusNaegray: maybe you forgot to set PLLPRESCALE correctly?
10:49:54aegrayah that might be it
10:51:20preglowlinuxstb: doesn't look too bad, might very well be enough for a lot of people. it's more than i'd expect to see in a codec chip
10:51:41linuxstbWe just need a gui for it....
10:51:47preglowit's basically a subset of my eq
10:52:07preglowso we _could_ use the current gui, just with restricted choices of freq, q and gain
10:52:17aegrayLinusN: perfect :)
10:52:19aegraythanks
10:52:29LinusNgoodie
10:52:47preglowlinuxstb: and perhaps just a mode setting or something
10:52:54*LinusN waits for the "gentlemen" mail
10:53:10*B4gder joins the waiting
10:53:14aegrayis that like mail order porn?
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10:54:02B4gderaegray: its a long tradition of "we have sound working on a new device" mail to the mailing list
10:54:12aegrayah
10:54:18aegrayhow do I get on said mailing list?
10:54:35*aegray shutsup and searches the website
10:54:39B4gderhttp://cool.haxx.se/mailman/listinfo/rockbox-dev
10:55:25aegraycool thhanks
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11:03:30linuxstbDid any read my email to the dev mailing yesterday about moving the id3.[ch] and related files into apps/ ?
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11:03:42aegrayhi imphasing
11:04:03B4gderlinuxstb: I read it, but I think Linus, Jens and Jrg are the men to reply
11:04:05aegrayouch he joins rockbox first!
11:04:16aegrayyou guys are stealing all our users with your cooler + better software!
11:04:19aegraynot fair
11:04:21aegrayhehe
11:04:24B4gderhahaha
11:04:48LinusNlinuxstb: i read it, and i'd like it to happen
11:05:44LinusNtime to buy an ipod video... :-)
11:05:49aegrayheh
11:06:02B4gderit is indeed tempting
11:06:26aegrayis audio for 5g checked in?
11:06:44B4gderLinusN: we should get the x5 going first I guess ;-)
11:06:51linuxstbNo, I want to re-organise the audio drivers a little first.
11:07:27*aegray checks out rockbox for the first time
11:07:38markunlinuxstb: do the wolfson codecs share some code or are they all completely different?
11:07:45*aegray copies all the code and puts it in ipl
11:07:48aegray:)
11:07:58B4gderaegray: welcome to a brighter world ;-)
11:07:59rob-pwd
11:08:02aegrayhaha
11:08:03rob-oops
11:08:06aegrayi like my linux cave
11:08:18aegrayi have my own little puddle in the corner
11:08:39linuxstbmarkun: We seem to have found about three "families" of chips so far - each codec in a family is register-compatible with the others.
11:08:40spazziumI have a floor heater in my corner.
11:08:49B4gderI expect the video announcement to trigger new hoards of users...
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11:09:32markun... and complaints about video playback not working perhaps?
11:09:45B4gderhehe, of course
11:09:45Bg3rhaha very probably
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11:11:03aegraylinuxstb: which toolchain do you use to compile this?
11:12:26linuxstbWe use gcc 4.02 compiled for arm-elf
11:12:37linuxstb(and binutils 2.16)
11:12:41preglowvideo playback might not be as hard as first imagined either
11:12:48aegrayhmm
11:12:56B4gderpreglow: how come?
11:13:08preglowif we just rip the bcm codecs out of the firmware file in our ipod installed and use the bcm as a mas like thing :)
11:13:18aegraypreglow: not even that
11:13:21preglowB4gder: the firmwares for the bcm chip is stored verbatim in a fat16 image...
11:13:23aegraytheres a whole mplayer app on the bcm
11:13:26B4gderaha
11:13:29preglowahhahaha
11:13:36aegrayi would imagine you just activate it
11:13:44aegraywhen did -mlong-calls come into play?
11:13:54preglowaegray: we have code in iram
11:14:05aegrayi meant which toolchain version
11:14:07preglowaegray: which is far out of bounds for ordinary arm calls
11:14:12preglow*shrug*
11:14:14linuxstbI don't know, but it's there in 3.4
11:14:24preglowi'd expect it's pretty much always been there
11:14:31linuxstbIt's not there in 2.95
11:14:35preglowlong calling is a very known issue on arm
11:14:36linuxstb(at least, not by that name)
11:14:38preglowwho uses 2.95...
11:14:45linuxstbLinux kernel people....
11:14:45*aegray *cough* *cough*
11:14:50*preglow explodes again
11:14:53aegrayhahahaha
11:14:54*B4gder faints
11:15:03aegraythats like 1.07 below 4.02
11:15:09aegrayridiculous
11:15:09*preglow reassembles
11:15:17aegraymuch worse that that .2 from before
11:15:19preglowi thought only bsd people and completely insane loonies used 2.95
11:15:28*aegray might be the latter
11:15:38B4gderwell, to be honest the arm gcc has had serious troubles to build the kernel over the years
11:15:44B4gderabout since 2.95
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11:15:58B4gderit has been fixed in recent years though
11:16:01preglowcode quality should have improved pretty much since then
11:16:08aegrayhahahaha
11:16:14aegrayit actually compiles when i use a real toolchain
11:16:15preglow2.95 wasn't all that for x86, at least
11:18:27safetydanbah, no sound card at work... anyone kind enough to compile the current X11 sim and see if sound works?
11:18:33safetydanor maybe I'll just wait until I get home
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11:53:30MembrilloHiya kids
11:54:50linuxstbJust the person... If anyone wants to test audio on a 5g, my current build is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip
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11:56:37Membrillowould do if i had my ipod on me and then had rockbox installed on it :)
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11:58:50markunI just added another font. Maybe we should exclude the fonts from the daily build and put them in a seperate zip if it gets too big?
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12:00:00markunthe fonts are the same for all the targets anyway.
12:00:21preglowmarkun: that might change
12:00:47markunyes, it might
12:01:05preglowamiconn's been talking about it, i believe
12:01:13markunBecause of the font sizes?
12:01:46markunSome fonts a probably not very readable on a 2" 240x320 screen..
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12:02:05preglowno, to speed up font drawing
12:02:13preglowmake them lcd dependent, i gues
12:02:33markunah
12:06:53linuxstbWe could have an "extra-fonts.zip" download.
12:09:17markunthe helvetica font looks quite nice btw and includes cyrillic, greek and hebrew
12:09:27linuxstbI think the plan is to change the fonts will to store both horizontally-packed and vertically-packed bitmaps in the same file. Some targets (e.g. the h300 with an lcd remote) could make use of both formats IIUC, and others would just load whichever format they need.
12:14:08*linuxstb notices a post from TiMiD on the forums today...
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12:31:22safetydanAnybody investigating the "thump" described here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2600.0 ?
12:31:56B4gderBryant mentioned lostlogic's overhaul introducing the problem
12:32:30safetydanyeah that was what I found interesting
12:32:40safetydanit almost sounds like what I'm hearing in the SDL sim
12:32:47B4gderaha
12:33:19preglowhmm
12:35:41preglowwell, there's a ton of info for lostlogic to follow there
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13:09:40JdGordonhey all
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13:14:03JdGordonevery1 gone have they?
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13:14:33JdGordonaegray: well done on the sound
13:14:39aegraythanks
13:14:49aegrayi dunno if the drivers are there or not
13:14:54aegrayhahah i suck at irssi
13:15:00*aegray /win 2
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13:18:39lamedhey again. can someone direct me on compiling doom? - i was only trying to run make in /doom
13:20:51preglowhave apple really announced the new video ipod themselves?
13:21:01B4gderI haven't seen that
13:21:05B4gderonly that rumour thing
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13:21:31preglowyeah, me too
13:22:30preglowif they do make one, i'm willing to bet it'll be one of those dsp solutions we can't hack
13:23:05preglowperhaps they'll just cut out the arm altogether and go just bcm, heh
13:23:20preglowmakes sense, the bcm does audio and video decoding on video files today
13:23:28aegrayits a sideprocessor though
13:23:32aegrayit requires a host
13:23:39preglow_requires_?
13:23:44preglowi can't see why it can't run alone
13:23:44aegrayafai have read
13:23:57aegrayits built around the idea of having a host
13:23:58aegraybetter?
13:24:00aegrayhehe
13:24:39preglowi just don't get what the host has to do to keep it living
13:24:49preglowassuming it's got decent memory controllers and such
13:25:04linuxstbpreglow: I was just thinking the same - afaik any new ipod is just a rumour.
13:27:16*lamed Would Just love some help on compiling Doom
13:27:17Zagori'm guessing they don't want to put the user interface etc. in the bcm
13:27:56preglowand everything they've done so far really indicates they're keen on keeping their platforms similar
13:28:05linuxstbThe bcm also doesn't include all the features of the PP chip - ATA, USB etc.
13:28:15preglowyeah, good point
13:28:19B4gderright, they can probably reuse lots of PP stuff for the GUI if they remain PP
13:30:06B4gderand they want that bluetooth and crap that's coming ;-)
13:31:35preglowghargh
13:31:57preglowthis reminds me to go ask the hardware guy to supply me with batteries for my bloody marvelous wireless mouse
13:31:59preglowmay it rot in hell
13:33:00preglowwith a vengeance!
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13:55:12Domonokyhm.. me is trying to get doom running in the simulator, but i have problems, the timer functions are not aviable in the Sim..
13:58:25JdGordonhmm.. whyt hte heck is the wps code skipping my new check for %#??
13:59:10JdGordonoh fuck
13:59:15JdGordoni tinhk im too tired to code
13:59:19preglowis it just me or is it going to be pretty hard to adapt the timer.c module when the ipod timers are specified in microseconds?
13:59:21JdGordonediting the wrong fucking wps
13:59:25JdGordonfuck fuck fuck
13:59:31preglowthe timer intervals are specified in cycles, it seems...
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14:05:40linuxstbBagder: Do you have a thumbnail image of the ipod video?
14:05:54linuxstbB4gder: See above...
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14:18:29B4gderno I don't
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14:39:16jackinabox^hi all
14:43:17B4gderthe dB whiners will haunt us for the rest of our lives
14:44:10LinusNB4gder: what did the post say?
14:44:30B4gderjust an echo of the usual
14:44:35B4gderprogrammers vs users
14:44:41B4gderno bloat
14:44:42B4gderoptions
14:44:43B4gderbla bla bla
14:44:49B4gderprogrammers shouldn't design UIs
14:45:40LinusNsigh
14:45:48[IDC]Dragonmy car stereo shows dB
14:46:01LinusNtoo bad you deleted it, i'd like to read it
14:46:03ashridahmore'n just programmers shouldn't design ui's
14:46:05[IDC]Dragonwith no option of anything else
14:46:05B4gderI was tempted to reply since it was unusually contradictful, but I instead cleaned it ip
14:46:07B4gderup
14:46:26JdGordoncouldnt u just make the choice of showing db or "%" ? and shut every1 up
14:47:00B4gderLinusN: yes, sure but messages that say "I know this thread is about N but I'll instead whine about Z..." deserves getting nuked
14:47:17LinusNJdGordon: that would defeat the whole purpose of the dB display, imho
14:47:27LinusNB4gder: true
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14:47:51jackinabox^guys, quick query, i have an iriver H340...if i install RB do i just unzip the folder in windows and extract the files to the root directory of the iriver or do i have to run the .exe files while the iriver is connected to the computer??
14:48:08JdGordon? some ppl want to c % so just give it to them? calc it on the fly.. so it slows them down a bit.. who cares?
14:48:20B4gderthey don't want % necessarily
14:48:30B4gderthey want something that isn't negative
14:48:35linuxstbOn a nicer subject, ipod 5g audio driver is now in cvs.
14:48:40B4gderOF has 1-40
14:48:41JdGordonheck even just allow something like a wps tag to do 100-dbval and call it quits :D
14:48:59B4gderlinuxstb: CVS/daily builds?
14:49:34linuxstbJdGordon: Only irivers stop at 0db - iPods go from -73dB to +6db or -57dB to +6dB. I think Archos players go to +something as well.
14:49:42preglowwho the bloody hell cares about the volume unit
14:49:47JdGordonah
14:50:03preglowi thought all these people used graphical wpses anyway
14:50:16B4gderI thought so too
14:50:26JdGordonanywho.. my radio wps is coming along nicely...
14:51:29linuxstbB4gder: Go ahead... I'll update the installation instructions now.
14:51:46B4gderlinuxstb: ok, I'll do it during the afternoon/evening
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14:55:08jackinabox^hopefully that fixed my lag :)
14:57:32jackinabox^how lagged am i? (posted at approx. 1:57pm GMT)
14:57:50JdGordon[00:57] jackinabox^: how lagged am i? (posted at approx. 1:57pm GMT)
14:58:06jackinabox^cool, cheers gordon
14:58:30jackinabox^christ it's hot here
14:58:48JdGordonwhere r ya?
14:58:54jackinabox^perth
14:59:25JdGordonhaha.. really? i saw the 1.57gmt and i assumed u were in africa or something
14:59:46JdGordonits like 15C here (melb)
14:59:56jackinabox^nah, expressed it as GMT to allow for international chatters :)
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15:01:53jackinabox^best i can do is an update at 7pm local (3 hrs ago) was just shy of 30 then
15:03:30jackinabox^did my post about installing RB on my H340 come through before?
15:03:37JdGordondamn whoever allowed sub-conditionals in the wps...
15:03:56JdGordonyes
15:04:01jackinabox^cool
15:04:10JdGordonwhat exe?
15:04:52jackinabox^i was ASSUMING there's an exe file, was still downloading at the time
15:05:06B4gderthe firmware patcher is an exe
15:05:42preglowis anyone looking at the new input codec patch?
15:05:43linuxstbB4gder: I've updated the installation instructions and added the bootloader binary, so the 5g is ready whenever you are.
15:05:56linuxstbNo, but someone should... I see it was updated yesterday.
15:06:15B4gderjackinabox^: unzipping the file on your player puts rockbox there, but you need to put the bootloader in place too and you do that by patching a iriver h300 firmware hex file
15:06:19jackinabox^i have the zip folder saved to my desktop at the moment (got it from the 'daily builds' section of the site. right spot??)
15:07:19jackinabox^ok, i just installed the 1.29 J f/ware (thinking i'm in over my head suddenly)
15:10:09JdGordonshit.. i really should stop coding at 1am... i keep making idiot mistakes :p
15:10:32jackinabox^better u than me mate :)
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15:15:46Philip_0729i think there is a bug in the CVS builds.. audio is skipping on all MP3's and ogg's i suspect more as well but don't have any other types of audio files
15:17:31B4gderI put the ipod color pic for the video for now
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15:21:18JdGordonB4gder: can u change the page to estimate time left till finish instead of actual time plz? for us ppl who r too tired to figure out the timesoes...
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15:22:04B4gderI can't do that easily since then I'd have to update the page all the time while building
15:22:21B4gderor you mean like 24mins 22 secs ?
15:22:28JdGordonye
15:22:38JdGordoncan javascript to a little countdown thingy?
15:22:53preglowplease don't tempt him
15:22:56B4gderI'm sure javascript can do that, but don't expect _me_ to write it ;-)
15:23:00preglowstart whispering "langv2" instead
15:23:05JdGordonhaha
15:23:07Bg3ryep yep yep
15:23:14Bg3rlang v2! lang v2! :D
15:23:28JdGordonscrew that.. just teach the world english :D
15:23:30JdGordongnite all
15:23:34markunB4gder: buy a gigabeat and get your hands dirty :)
15:23:35B4gdernow now, my RFID tags are calling ;-)
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15:27:03linuxstbAll it needs is some new builds to break it again
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15:27:53Philip_0729grr... my H340 is still skipping it is very annoying...
15:30:42Philip_0729i think it is related in some way to the cpu clock because if you go into debug and force it to stay at max... ie set boost at 2 or higher it playes fine but i don't know how badly this will effect the battery/cpu :?
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15:33:04linuxstbB4gder: Does the daily build for the ipod video you've put up include the audio driver commit?
15:33:35B4gderhm, no
15:33:37B4gderI'll redo it
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15:34:45B4gdermaking one with the CVS as of now
15:35:49linuxstbThanks.
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15:49:24B4gderthere redone now
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16:09:04ModernExecutivemsg linusn hi. how are things?
16:09:14LinusNfine i guess
16:09:26ModernExecutive:) any progress on a us firmware?
16:09:49*t0mas prods B4gder / Bagder
16:10:11B4gderhey
16:10:20B4gderI'm about to take off in a few minutes
16:10:21t0mas:D
16:10:24t0mas:'(
16:10:35t0masfixed the rbclient account for me?
16:10:35B4gderwhat's the status on the build scripts?
16:10:42t0mashttp://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/
16:10:45t0masbuilding nice...
16:11:17B4gdercool
16:11:21B4gderI'll try to set things up in my end tonight
16:11:24LinusNModernExecutive: nope, not yet
16:11:31t0masok
16:11:33ModernExecutiveok
16:11:43ModernExecutivei hadn't heard from you
16:11:57t0masBagder: if you can also setup an rbclient user on that other machine
16:12:00ModernExecutiveso I thought not. but i hadn't seen you online for a while so I thought I'd ask
16:12:09t0masand provide me with the ip to contact it on... I can do the rest of the setup
16:12:15B4gdert0mas: sure, but I don't have any compilers etc there so it'll take some more time
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16:12:17Philip_072904 01i think there is an audio playback bug related in some way to the cpu clock because if you go into debug and force it to stay at max... ie set boost at 2 or higher it playes fine but if not it skips just for a fraction of a second before upping the CPU... I don't know how badly this will effect the battery/cpu :? please help
16:12:29t0masB4gder: I can also set that up...
16:12:45t0masnormal users can compile compilers etc... only not install them in /usr/local
16:12:46B4gdert0mas: I think we should focus on the setup of the system first, then work on adding more servers
16:13:05t0masok
16:13:15B4gdert0mas: yes, I bet I can just copy the compilers from the rockbox.org one too
16:13:21t0masghehe
16:13:22t0masok
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16:14:24preglowahahha
16:14:24t0masB4gder: if we get it working on the 2 machines there + the ones I have now... we can always ask for more servers on the mailinglists
16:14:30preglownow the OTHER wireless mouse runs out of battery
16:14:32B4gderindeed
16:14:33preglowgod, how i hate these things
16:14:50B4gdert0mas: we should also make a fine doc on how to set one up and what requirements we have on a new server
16:15:02t0masthat's really easy...
16:15:13B4gdermoo-time!
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16:15:18t0masghehe
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16:15:24preglowdoes anyone know a keyboard shortcut for switching desktop? :/
16:15:27LinusNi think i know where the boost audio glitch comes from
16:15:33preglowin gnome
16:15:49t0masalt + f1 f2 etc?
16:15:57LinusNlostlogic's new pcm buffer code seems to boost in irq context
16:16:05LinusNbaaaaad
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16:16:39LinusNthat means a busy wait for up to 10ms in an irq
16:16:43preglowLinusN: ouch
16:16:50preglowt0mas: no :/
16:16:59LinusNplus the boost counter is unprotected
16:17:38t0maspreglow: sorry, that's enlightenment
16:17:40lostlogicLinusN: old did too iirc
16:17:46t0mashaven't used gnome in a while...
16:17:51LinusNlostlogic: really?
16:18:07lostlogicLinusN: yeah −− they both trigger boost at the time of the read by the pcm DMA
16:18:12lostlogicLinusN: I'll find a way to change it
16:18:21LinusNgood
16:18:32Philip_0729is that good news for me :)
16:20:29pregloware you sure the old one did that? i think slasheri fixed something like that once
16:21:55LinusNpreglow: i seem to remember complaining about this ealier, yes
16:22:02lostlogicI'll double check
16:22:30ModernExecutivelinus: should I just send back my extra player?
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16:23:13preglowhow i bloody loathe this wireless shit
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16:24:48lostlogicyes, the old one definitely did it too
16:25:09preglowat least we now know how long it uses to lock on :-)
16:25:10preglow3 ms
16:26:19Slasheriah, sounds bad.. we might need to implement a new thread for the pcmbuf at some point
16:26:42lostlogicSlasheri: let's stay away from having more threads.
16:27:20Slasheriyes, as long as it's possible
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16:28:25lostlogicthis is a cooperative system −− any problem that can be solved with threads can be solved another way, we just need to find that way ;)
16:29:42preglowSlasheri: tagcache? :D
16:30:05lostlogicasdf;lkj my workstation crashed while I was on my way to work, so I'll have to do this on the server instead :(
16:30:54Slasheripreglow: sorry, too busy with work right now
16:34:03preglowpeople are nagging :-)
16:34:16Slasheri:D
16:34:18preglowcan't have an mp3 player without a good tag database, they say
16:34:20preglowshut up, i say
16:34:39Slasherihaha
16:35:06Slasherijust wait.. eventually it will be ready ;)
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16:36:05preglowmuch left before release?
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16:36:57Musicmadis anybody successfully building simulators on win32 with cygwin?
16:37:25LinusNbuilding, yes
16:38:02MusicmadI'm getting some error regarding _pcm something which is undefined. Any ideas?
16:38:13lostlogicI think moving the boost check out to the prepare_insert (which is thread protected) also helps performance.
16:38:25LinusNMusicmad: did you select SDL when configuring?
16:38:50MusicmadLinusN: I'm afraid I don't have that option I'm using the simplified guide :(
16:39:14Slasheripreglow: not much.. mainly bug fixes. And the remaining features can be finished later
16:39:38MusicmadLinusN: hm actually I do - no I select win32
16:39:51LinusNMusicmad: of course you have the option, just select SDL instead of win32
16:41:04Musicmadok sorry :) - it don't seem like I have SDL (properly) installed though..
16:43:46LinusNMusicmad: devkit?
16:43:52Musicmadyes
16:44:01LinusNdo a proper cygwin install instead
16:44:29LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
16:44:39MusicmadLinusN: yeah I know. But I never succeded with that guide.
16:44:57LinusNwhat was the problem?
16:45:34Musicmadit's been a while I must admit - I'll try again and report back, but some of the packages doesn't exist anymore or something.
16:45:53LinusNyou should try it
16:46:00MusicmadI will
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17:14:05preglowlinuxstb: is the entire retailos segment loaded to file?
17:14:21preglowdamn, 6.5 megs is a bit much to waste...
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17:34:15Musicmadanybody knows what's wrong here: make: *** /rockbox/uisimulator/sdl: No such file or directory. Stop.
17:36:06preglowdevkit?
17:37:04preglowgod knows
17:37:04Musicmadno
17:37:14preglowi have no idea about that cygwin stuff
17:37:16Musicmadtrying to get a regular cygwin up and running.
17:46:51Mikachui think i fixed the plugin code to only zero the bss area (or possibly some more areas if there is more than code+data and bss?)
17:46:59Mikachuat least it is not clearing the whole pluginbuf now
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17:50:08Mikachuhttp://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-memset-bss-only.patch
17:50:12Mikachudoes this look like it might work?
17:51:10Mikachuit appears to work at least
17:51:23Mikachuand the cube and mandelbrot plugins work, which they didn't when i just removed the full memset
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17:59:11Musicmadwhat does it take to make an sdl simulator build? I have run configure and selected sdl simulator but it still complains about no target and no makefile found.
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18:05:16markunMusicmad: well, did it create a makefile?
18:05:46Musicmadyes in my sim folder
18:06:14MusicmadI think that maybe it expects a makefile in the uisimulator/sdl folder too?
18:06:52Mikachuhm, maybe not 100% correct... i only get whitenoise when looking at jpegs now :)
18:07:05lostlogicdo you have libsdl? do you have the whole rockbox-dev cvs module?
18:07:31Musicmadlostlogic: I got all the modules in the list yes.
18:07:52MusicmadI'll try again though.
18:08:08markunand if you type 'make' it can't find the makefile?
18:08:14Mikachushutdown on holding play is a bit annoying when scrolling down in a jpeg...
18:08:40Musicmadmarkun: it finds _that_ makefile and runs it I think, but then it looks for another makefile.
18:10:27markunyou don't have a makefile in uisimulator/sdl? It should be there
18:10:42Musicmadactually I don't have the sdl folder there no.
18:10:58markunthen that's your problem
18:11:02Musicmadyup :)
18:11:26markunupdate the source, it should work fine
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18:11:39lostlogiclet me know if anyone has a problem with low_latency mode skipping even more than it used to with my couple of recent pcmbuf commits.
18:11:42Musicmadthanks - updating now.
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18:24:15Musicmadthat got me a little further: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory
18:24:15Musicmadmake[1]: *** [/rockbox-devel/sim/sim/button.o] Error 1
18:29:32t0mason cygwin?
18:29:37t0mastype: echo $PATH
18:30:02Musicmadt0mas: yeah seems to be a path problem.
18:30:06Musicmadcygwin yes.
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18:32:24Musicmadt0mas: do I need to point to the cc1.exe folder in the path?
18:32:33t0maswhat is the path?
18:32:57t0masand are you using the devkit? or full cygwin?
18:33:02Musicmadfull cygwin
18:33:06t0masah ok
18:33:18t0masI assume you have installed the crosscompilers yourself?
18:33:19Musicmadthis is part of my path: PATH='/opt/m68k/libexec/gcc/m68k-elf/3.4.5:/opt/m68k/bin:/usr
18:33:36Musicmaderhm - got those from the rockbox mirror.
18:33:48t0masand what was the output of the configure script?
18:33:53t0maslast line?
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18:34:45MusicmadCygwin host detected
18:34:45MusicmadEnabled PCM sound playback in simulator
18:34:45MusicmadSimulator environment deemed little endian
18:34:45DBUGEnqueued KICK Musicmad
18:34:45Musicmadsub directory archos already present
18:34:45MusicmadUsing gcc 3.4.4 (304)
18:34:45***Alert Mode level 1
18:34:45MusicmadCreated Makefile
18:34:54Musicmadwhen configuring sdl sim.
18:35:03t0masok, so it did find the gcc command...
18:35:21MusicmadI have added the path to cc1.exe in above.
18:35:31t0masok
18:35:36t0masmkdir build
18:35:37t0mascd build
18:35:38t0masmake
18:35:41Musicmadcc1: error: invalid option `no-cygwin'
18:35:41Musicmadcc1: error: invalid option `tune=pentiumpro'
18:35:41Musicmadmake[1]: *** [/rockbox-devel/sim/sim/button.o] Error 1
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18:35:57t0mashm...
18:36:29MusicmadI can make a regular build just fine
18:36:44t0masweird
18:36:50t0masI haven't buidl sims in a long time..
18:37:14t0maswhich one is it?
18:37:38Musicmadiriver 120
18:37:57t0massdl?
18:38:00Musicmadyes
18:38:44t0masis that one sdl ready?
18:39:01t0mashttp://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml <−− it's still SDL here
18:39:03t0maserm
18:39:05MusicmadI don't know really.
18:39:06t0massorry win32 here
18:39:16Musicmadok will try a win32
18:40:30t0masI can just send you a win32 copy from the buildsystem...
18:40:34t0mashave it here anyway
18:43:37Musicmadthanks but I was going to code a little bit myself.
18:43:44Musicmadwin32 version says the same error btw.
18:43:50t0masweird
18:43:58t0masit's building fine here... but that's not in cygwin
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18:44:11Musicmadthat's why it accepts the "no-cygwin" option?
18:44:28t0masit might
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18:45:04t0masif you need the CVS version of the sim for win32...
18:45:05t0mashttp://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/H120-simwin32-CVS-20060201-1656.zip
18:45:07t0masdownload it there
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18:45:25Musicmadthanks
18:45:29lostlogicso, waht was the symptom of boosting from inside the interrupt in the pcmbuf that I was fixing?
18:45:48t0maslostlogic: it was too long in the interrupt handler?
18:46:01t0masand that makes everything else hang?
18:46:16lostlogicright, but what was the symptom of this behaviour?
18:46:50ghode|afkdoes the EQ work with the ipod 5g?
18:47:11lostlogiceq is not platform specific, if it works on any ARM player, it works on 5g
18:47:44t0maslostlogic: [16:15:29] <LinusN> i think i know where the boost audio glitch comes from
18:47:52ghode|afkhmm thought it was iriver only
18:48:01t0maswas that the symptom?
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18:48:08ghode|afkso does it work on the other arm targets?
18:48:18Paul_The_NerdWhen there are other arm targets, it should I guess.
18:48:25lostlogicghode|afk: not sure, preglow would know
18:48:43lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: all ipods are arm, I thought the EQ worked on some ipods, which would imply all ipods
18:48:43Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: There's a thread about a thump during playback in the forums, that occurs when boost is triggered. Could that be it?
18:48:54lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: mayhaps
18:49:01Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I thought ghode was asking about non-iPod arm targets.
18:49:16webguest11hi people . first congratulation to the rockbox team for their works
18:49:49ghode|afkPaul_The_Nerd: you have a nano right? does the eq work for you? :P
18:50:17markunghode|afk: can't you try it yourself?
18:50:33markunor ar you asking for a friend with a 5g ipod?
18:50:42ghode|afki have neither
18:50:49webguest11now i m proud that my iriver load as fast as Ipod :-)
18:50:52ghode|afkbut i have a 5g coming tomorrow and i am curious...
18:51:05webguest11so is anibody knows which coloured themes i coud use for my irirver ?
18:51:10Paul_The_Nerdghode|afk: Absolutely works for me. I don't use it, but I tested it out.
18:51:20ghode|afkok thanks, all i needed
18:51:34Paul_The_NerdThere are arm and m68k equaliser routines so far, I believe.
18:51:58lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: that's what I thought
18:52:16markunwebguest11: there are some WPS threads in MR I think
18:52:17Paul_The_Nerdwebguest11: If you go to www.misticriver.com there are several threads relating to color themes for iRiver H300 series.
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18:52:40webguest11thanks paul the nerd i m trying it now
18:52:59Mikachuare there any threads about nano color themes?
18:53:19Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Misticriver is an iRiver fan site.
18:54:10Mikachuah, possibly not then
18:54:57Paul_The_NerdThe h300 themes can be used on 4g colors. The h100 themes can be used on B&W ipods, I believe. But I don't know anywhere that people are making them for Nano or 5g yet, as their resolutions aren't the same as any older targets.
18:55:42Rob2222_wohoooo Audio on Video
18:55:51Rob2222_Well done!
18:55:53Mikachuyeah
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18:59:17Rob2222i still have the problem on the 5g that the bootloader doesnt recognizes the pressed button
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19:01:03ghode|afkis this all the time?
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19:08:46linuxstbpreglow: What did you mean with this question? "linuxstb: is the entire retailos segment loaded to file?"
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19:09:04preglow"to memory" is what i meant
19:09:11linuxstbRob2222: You have to press it before the apple logo appears.
19:09:13preglowand i just wanted to know if all five megs are resident in ram at all times
19:09:50linuxstbWell, the flash bootloader loads it all to RAM - that's why Rockbox takes 3-4 seconds longer than it should to boot on my 4G.
19:10:16linuxstbSo I can only assume it stays there...
19:10:22preglowhehe
19:10:27Paul_The_NerdI'm thinking it might not
19:10:39preglowhow does rockbox handle on the 5g at the moment, btw?
19:10:41Paul_The_NerdI mean, if it stayed there, when it loads from FAT32 it should still work fine, right?
19:10:43preglowany more sluggish than on 4g?
19:10:58linuxstbThe 4g is a dream compared to the 5g...
19:11:05Paul_The_NerdBut if you try loading it from the FAT32 partition it has problems as soon as it tries certain things (specifically audio or USB mode) which could be consistent from if it were trying to load the codecs or otherwise from the hidden partition when they aren't there any more.
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19:11:41linuxstbThe 5g without music is similar to the 4g with music.
19:11:47preglowahahahah
19:11:51Paul_The_NerdOuch
19:11:54preglowi think it needs an asm driver
19:11:57preglowfor the lcd, that is
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19:12:01linuxstbWell, not quite that bad, but it's not speedy
19:12:14BHSPitLappyhas the 5g implemented audio yet in rb?
19:12:27linuxstbYes.
19:12:35BHSPitLappysorry for cluelessness, I'm over VNC atm :/
19:13:05BHSPitLappygreat job btw linuxstb
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19:14:21Musicmadanybody knows something about this: cc1: error: invalid option `no-cygwin'
19:15:12Rob2222Bagder are you there?
19:15:52preglowanyone know of any shn and alac files on the web somewhere?
19:15:56preglowi need to test my accuracy stuff
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19:18:45linuxstbpreglow: I can upload some alac. Shorten is relatively easy to find at http://www.archive.org/audio/etree.php
19:20:19Mikachulinuxstb: i attempted to make plugin.c only memset part of the plugin mem, and it seems to work, but the modified jpeg plugin only displays garbage for some pictures now
19:20:37lostlogich3x0 and 5g seem like they need some different kind of LCD handling to deal with the bloody huge framebuffers
19:21:03linuxstbMikachu: The jpeg plugin will use the rest of the plugin buffer - maybe the jpeg code relies on the contents of that buffer being zero.
19:21:33linuxstbi.e. it calls the get_plugin_buffer() function (or whateve it is called) to get a pointer to the usused part of the buffer.
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19:22:44Mikachuwell, what i think is strange is that it will happily use the audio buffer without clearing it first
19:22:49Musicmadt0mas: seems my path was pointing to the wrong cc1.exe
19:23:07preglowlinuxstb: any way to browse by format there?
19:23:38linuxstbDon't think so - try searching for "shorten" or shn
19:24:05linuxstbThe older the show the more likely it is to be shn.
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19:25:10Mikachuheh, i can only boot apple firmware with my left hand for some reason
19:25:51preglowah, shorten can't seek
19:25:52dpassen2Gotta learn to be ambidextrous
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19:26:04Mikachumaybe the bootloader doesn't ignore wheel events...
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19:28:04XavierGrSomeone just told me a very annoying situation.
19:28:40XavierGrHe accidentally loaded the battery test. He waited, waited, waited, and the "BAM" a ver loud sound appeared when the plugin exited.
19:28:58MikachuXavierGr: do you know if the jpeg viewer assumes the buffers are zeroed?
19:29:28XavierGrHis ears are eaching form that load BOOM. Does anyone know the casue of this?
19:29:48XavierGrMikachu: I am not sure.
19:29:58Mikachusomeone mentioned cpu boost causing a sound before
19:30:12XavierGrThere is some aligning for the data but I can't be sure, because I don't know much on the subject.
19:30:17MikachuXavierGr: when i have my 20MB buffer and only clear the bss part, i get corrupt image data
19:30:21Mikachuokay
19:30:49linuxstbXavierGr: Which player?
19:30:59XavierGrH300
19:31:39XavierGralso the static "hiss" of the player increased during operation of the plugin.
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19:35:07XavierGrsafetydan does the sim playback work okay now?
19:39:03Mikachuhrm, even if i memset the whole buffer from inside the plugin it doesn't work
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19:41:59safetydanXavierGr, I'm about to find out
19:42:16BgerXavierGr hm...
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19:42:49preglowlostlogics change shouldn't change anything for you
19:42:49preglowi think
19:43:06safetydanshouldn't and doesn't
19:43:36safetydanI thought the wrapping bug might have helped but no
19:43:40safetydanstill pops every second
19:43:55safetydanstill, it's usable for me under Linux
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19:44:18preglowdo you have the audio thread debug screen in the sim?
19:44:45safetydanNow that is a good question
19:45:13preglowcan't see any reason why not
19:45:19safetydanApparently not
19:45:23preglowshould be a nice place to see if the pops coincides with anything
19:45:25safetydanwould be useful though
19:45:30safetydansomething else to hack on
19:45:51safetydanbut first, time to add Yet Another Option
19:46:51linuxstbMikachu: Are you sure you haven't broken anything else? Have you tried restoring the original memset to see if that fixes it?
19:47:19Mikachuyeah, but i'll check again to be sure
19:47:53linuxstbsafetydan: Are your sim changes in CVS yet?
19:48:30safetydanlinuxstb, no
19:49:14Mikachuactually no
19:49:14safetydanNeed to update the x11 and win32 sims to keep them compiling for the moment
19:49:30linuxstbIs there a "simulator audio" thread which writes the actual data to /dev/dsp (or however it works) ?
19:50:16safetydanIn my version it now works very much like the actual hardware
19:50:41safetydanthe actual playback code is the same as on target, but the DMA is replaced with an SDL audio callback which copies the pcm buffer to the sound card
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19:51:17safetydanwell, not the same, but the idea is similar
19:51:24blueythere is Audio Support for 5G ?
19:51:39preglowbluey: yes
19:51:41yeahxcan someone recommend a good freeware vorbis encoder for M$?
19:51:42XavierGryes
19:51:48preglowyeahx: oggdrop
19:51:59blueygreat :)
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19:52:15blueygonna take a look at it
19:52:28XavierGrdbpoweramp but i dont know if it is any good
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19:53:13yeahxoggdrop is on windows too? cool thanks
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19:53:34Rob2222XavierGr: Do you know how often the code in battery_bench.c will be executed?
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19:56:28XavierGrit sleeps every time the code is executed for "HS spind down time -1"
19:56:42XavierGrRob: The code is executed alwasy. It is a thread.
19:57:03Rob2222so enought times per second?
19:57:26XavierGrno it is not executed per second
19:57:55XavierGrit is executed once. then it sleeps for HD spindown -1 secs and then it is executed again. Then it sleeps again and so on.
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19:58:29Bgerwhat are the "symptoms" ?
19:58:34bot47hi
19:58:39Rob2222so the thread sleeps for ((HD spindown)-1) seconds?
19:58:47Bgeryep
19:58:48Bgeriirc
19:58:49XavierGryes
19:59:08XavierGrBger I wanted to ask you about the latest changes in battery_bench
19:59:13XavierGrwhat's the 3 left columns?
19:59:21XavierGrRob: link of your latest bench?
19:59:33XavierGr^right columns I mean
19:59:45Bgersec
19:59:46bot47Do you know if there's a way to install both iPod Linux and RockBox on your (guess what)?
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20:01:06preglowsure
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20:01:27bot47Sure for who?
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20:01:34Rob2222http://www.skyhoppel.de/rob/H300/battery_bench.txt
20:01:51BgerXavierGr was the hiss with our plugin or with the old one
20:02:10XavierGrwith the old one. Battery Test
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20:02:16Bgerah, okay :)
20:02:33Rob2222if(((last_voltage < (current_voltage=rb->battery_voltage())) && BIT_CHARGING) ||
20:02:33Rob2222((last_voltage > (current_voltage=rb->battery_voltage())) && !BIT_CHARGING)
20:02:37XavierGrBger: Can you explain the C:, S:, U: columns?
20:02:52Rob2222Bger: , XavierGr, do you know whats wrong there?
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20:02:55linuxstbbot47: Yes, you can install both ipodlinux and Rockbox on the same ipod, but you need to know what you're doing.
20:03:08seffyhi , someone can recommand me a version of rockbox to iriver h320 that really work and have good bat life and with Ipod COLOR wps...
20:03:08seffy?
20:03:11XavierGrRob what's wrong?
20:03:17BgerXavierGr i can, but it's strange
20:03:21BgerC: - Charger
20:03:27BgerS (state) - Charging or not
20:03:39BgerU: USB powered ..
20:03:59Rob2222XavierGr: I only stores one measurement per voltage level. this works while charging, but doesnt work while discharging
20:04:04BgerC is whether the charger is inserted or not
20:04:23Rob2222I said that but he didnt believe me ;)
20:04:26XavierGrAnd the values for the columns?
20:04:43XavierGrRob: I believed you I just was confused
20:04:54Rob2222hehe just kidding ;)
20:04:56seffy hi , someone can recommand me a version of rockbox to iriver h320 that really work and have good bat life and with Ipod COLOR wps...
20:04:59seffy? plz...
20:05:24XavierGrgood bat life?
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20:05:38Rob2222seffy: There is no Rb with iriver-fw battery life, yet
20:05:41XavierGrthat's nearly the same for all Rockbox builds (on a target)
20:06:12seffywhat do you mean ?
20:06:16BgerRob2222
20:06:18Bgerso
20:06:27Bgeru've runned rb with charger inserted ?
20:06:28seffyhow much it last ?
20:06:30Bgerin the beginning
20:06:46Rob2222yep
20:06:58Rob2222wanna check the self discharge of the bettry
20:07:00Rob2222battery
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20:07:08Rob2222and how often it will be recharged
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20:07:19Rob2222but i would like to have a shorter log for that
20:07:33seffy10x
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20:07:40Rob2222cause of that i changed the != trigger to > and < depending on charging state
20:07:49Rob2222but it is only working half
20:08:41Bgeris this with a modified version ?
20:08:51Rob2222no, this log there is original
20:09:25XavierGrBger he wants to change the way measurements are cpatured
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20:09:42Rob2222http://www.skyhoppel.de/rob/H300/battery_bench_mod.txt <= this is modded
20:09:53Bgerso the charging chip started to charge the battery when the voltage fell under 4.05V
20:10:02Rob2222looks like it
20:10:09XavierGrinstead of different voltage (that we check) he wants to take a measurement when the voltage is greater or lesser than.
20:10:28Rob2222wanna take more tests, but the plugin isnt running like i want
20:10:53XavierGrBger, did you saw my PM?
20:10:57BgerRob2222 how do you want it ?
20:11:11BgerXavierGr if u've "sent" it to Bg3r, i didn't
20:11:13Rob2222[20:07] Rob2222: cause of that i changed the != trigger to > and < depending on charging state
20:11:38Rob2222 if(((last_voltage < (current_voltage=rb->battery_voltage())) && BIT_CHARGING) ||
20:11:38Rob2222 ((last_voltage > (current_voltage=rb->battery_voltage())) && !BIT_CHARGING)
20:11:41hands0meHello :-) several hours ago I've trayed Nano Rockbox and trying to change track to next by pressing button results in crackling sound between tracks. That is happening only while playing OGGs . In particular after resetting, shutdown and power on the player. Not with wavpack or mp3. Is that normal behaviour? :-)
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20:12:04hands0mesorry for that long message :-)
20:12:14Rob2222Bger: But as you see in the mod log, it doesnt take measurements when the voltage falls. only while it is rising
20:13:15BgerRob2222 what do you want to achieve?
20:13:34XavierGrhe wants fewer measurements
20:13:45XavierGrbecause != takes many measurements instead of <>
20:13:58linuxstbhands0me: Do you have the equaliser enabled?
20:13:58Rob2222exact
20:14:07XavierGrbut I am against it. The buffer is big enough to hold as many. He just want to mod his plugin.
20:14:08hands0meno
20:14:18Bgermaybe you want to check the diff
20:14:19hands0melinuxstb: no, disabled
20:14:23Bgerlike
20:14:24Rob2222i dont want 4.09 4.10 4.09 4.10 4.09 to be teaken as more measurements
20:14:25Bgersec
20:14:37linuxstbhands0me: What bitrate are your vorbis files?
20:14:48hands0meabout 90-140kbps
20:15:04hands0methis happens only at first runnig after resetting ipod
20:15:13hands0meand only after pressing next button
20:15:17Bgerif( abs(last_voltage - current_voltage=rb->battery_voltage()) < MIN_THRESHOLD)
20:15:26hands0meprevious is ok
20:15:41Musicmadwill the fun ever end: LD rockboxui.exe
20:15:46Musicmadany ideas :)
20:16:02linuxstbhands0me: OK, thanks. I'll add it to the list of things to look at :)
20:16:13hands0meok thank you!!
20:16:15hands0me:-D
20:16:41Rob2222hmm
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20:17:13Rob2222bger: sounds complicated
20:17:26BgerRob2222 not so much
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20:17:51Bgerokay, just a sec
20:18:02hands0melinuxstd: I've described this in this thread on forum:
20:18:04hands0mehttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2591.0
20:19:53hands0methat was several days ago, but today I've checked newer build and problem still exists for me
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20:22:30Mikachulinuxstb: you're going to laugh at me now... it works when i remove my -Os ;)
20:23:18_FireFly_Mikachu: haha ;)
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20:25:44Mikachubut now rockbox.ipod is 20kB larger :(
20:26:37preglowMikachu: don't use -Os
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20:27:36Mikachui only meant to test it, but then i apparently forgot about it
20:27:47Mikachuit would have been the first thing i reverted if i had remembered it
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20:27:57Mikachubut this means my change to plugin.c works fine
20:28:07preglowi've tested all the changed codecs, but if someone's in a position to test any files they have further, please do so
20:28:19Mikachuhttp://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-memset-bss-only-v2.patch
20:28:25XerionCC calculator.c
20:28:26Xerioncalculator.c: In function `transcendFunc':
20:28:26Xerioncalculator.c:529: internal compiler error: in do_SUBST, at combine.c:447
20:28:27DBUGEnqueued KICK Xerion
20:28:27Xerionwtf :p
20:28:31Mikachui'll add it to the patches tracker then
20:28:41Mikachuunless you feel like applying it right away of course
20:28:44preglowXerion: are you using any special compiler flags...
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20:28:50Xerionmight be :p
20:28:53Mikachuit does make loading plugins notably faster even with the default 512kB size
20:28:54preglowXerion: yes...
20:29:18preglowrockbox seems to trigger the wildest compiler bugs when you experiment with those too much
20:29:37_FireFly_Xerion: what does say echo $CFLAGS
20:29:44MikachuOs turns off some alignments too, i can imagine why it broke
20:29:51Xerionhehe i finally managed to get a working crosscompiler using crossdev on gentoo :p
20:29:55Mikachui had to add -fno-optimize-sibling-calls just to get it to compile
20:30:07Xerionso it's using the flags in my make.conf probably
20:30:15Xerionalthough
20:30:16Mikachuis this kernel or plugins?
20:30:20Xerionit shouldn't..
20:30:28Mikachuor application
20:32:12LinusNMikachu: maybe it would be better for the plugin to clear the bss section
20:32:46Mikachuthen you'd have to change all plugins?
20:32:49LinusNas the plugin loader doesn't know how large it is
20:32:59Mikachuit does..
20:33:25lostlogicLinusN: did making pcmbuf not boost in interrupt fix the issue it was supposed to fix?
20:33:37Mikachui clear up to the end_addr minus the part where the plugin code is already loaded
20:33:38LinusNlostlogic: i don't know :-)
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20:34:01LinusNMikachu: not all plugins use a bss section that big
20:34:16lostlogicLinusN: what was it supposed to fix? someone said it was a bumping noise during boosting, but that didn't seem right...
20:34:51MikachuLinusN: this is still an improvement..
20:34:53LinusNlostlogic: i can imagine that the boosting could cause a "pop"
20:35:01Mikachuhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1430909&group_id=44306&atid=439120
20:35:06LinusNsince it busy waits for up to 10ms
20:36:08MusicmadLinusN: still struggeling with the cygwin setup. Do you know what "cannot find -lgcc" might be?
20:36:35Mikachui'm not saying i know anything about how this works, but all plugins work fine with this change
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20:36:43Mikachuand load faster
20:37:32LinusNMusicmad: i'm surprised that you have such problems
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20:37:57Mikachuit sounds like his gcc installation is confused about where it's installed
20:38:42Musicmadthe first error I got was that it coulnd't find cc1.exe - then I included that path, but maybe I pointed to the wrong one.
20:39:31Musicmaddon't know if this is the right cc1.exe /lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4
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20:39:47Learmikachu: doesn't look like it would be that hard to include bss size in the plugin/codec header...
20:39:49blueyworks fine right now
20:39:56blueyjust playing some mpc and no skips
20:39:56CtcpIgnored 3 channel CTCP requests in 4 hours and 16 minutes at the last flood
20:39:56*safetydan adds YANO
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20:40:12safetydanor YAO as the case may be
20:40:13MikachuLear: am i clearing "too much" now, or too little?
20:40:39Mikachufrom what i understand it can't be too little
20:40:48LearToo much. As Linus said, the bss area (usually) isn't as large as the rest of the plugin buffer.
20:40:59MusicmadMikachu: how do I reinstalle gcc then..
20:41:07LearSo things can be improved further. :)
20:41:51LearDoesn't even have to break plugin compatibility...
20:42:02Mikachuthe plugins already load instantly for me now, but if you want to, feel free to make it better of course :)
20:42:53LinusNMusicmad: you aren't supposed to add an extra path to cc1.exe
20:43:24*preglow screams as he sees another option
20:43:34XavierGrwhat option?
20:43:38MusicmadLinusN: I'm sure you are right - just wonder why it doens't work without.
20:43:39XavierGroptions are good :D
20:43:40safetydanpreglow, sorry
20:43:53safetydanBut it was just so damn useful
20:44:15Mikachupreglow: the first thing i thought when i tried rockbox the other day was 'wow, this is a lot of options'
20:44:22Musicmad:)
20:44:23preglowhaha, yeah
20:44:28preglowand we'd like to get rid of a bunch
20:44:37Xerioni think the problem is that i build the crosscompiler itself with weird flags :p
20:44:41preglowthink i'll need to try this one out
20:45:39safetydanCan always back it out if a better solution presents itself
20:45:46LinusNMusicmad: did you follow the instructions exactly?
20:46:33markunapple patent for a touch-screen ipod: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.2956
20:46:49MusicmadLinusN: think so - will check again to make sure that I didn't skip anything.
20:47:36LinusNMusicmad: also try another mirror for the base cygwin installation
20:48:16*LinusN definitely agrees with bluechip about the crappy cygwin installer
20:48:28preglowit's very bad
20:48:37preglowsafetydan: i don't like how the botton screen is handled, i think
20:48:51preglowi'd rather prefer if it just displayed as far as it went, and not a bunch of whitespace
20:48:57safetydangood point
20:49:16preglowthe scrollbar also goes all the way, which makes it look kind of weird
20:49:30preglowbut apart from that, i actually prefer this way of scrolling to the old one, yes
20:49:34preglowat least now i can see what i'm doing
20:49:59MusicmadLinusN: I can build for the iriver though (not sim).
20:50:02safetydanI'll have a go at fixing those
20:50:25LinusNMusicmad: so it's the native compiler that doesn't work?
20:51:06MusicmadLinusN: not sure what you mean, but it's only the simulators that fail.
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20:51:28Musicmadsafetydan: I can have a look too, once I get my compiler up and running.
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20:52:04XavierGrhehe are you related?
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20:52:31XavierGrsafetydan and dangerousdan I mean. It must be the same person right?
20:52:36safetydanapparently not
20:52:43XavierGrreally?
20:52:43safetydanhe never seems to stay when I'm around :)
20:52:44preglowfrom now on i demand to be called "King of Fixed Point" instead of preglow
20:52:48linuxstbsafetydan: Prove it.
20:52:51XavierGrhaha
20:53:00Musicmadpreglow: you will when you port the wma stuff.
20:53:06XavierGrindeed
20:53:10linuxstbhehe
20:53:20*safetydan points at /whois results for safetydan vs DangerousDan
20:53:32XavierGrnice idea
20:53:41*safetydan bows before the King of Fixed Point
20:54:04preglowi look forward to ripping out all the 16 bit code
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20:54:20MusicmadLinusN: yup the "Normal" build is fine.
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20:54:34safetydan XavierGr hehe are you related?
20:55:23safetydanbah, sound works fine in the X11 sim
20:55:29*safetydan wonders what's up with SDL then
20:57:10lostlogicMusicmad: normal and sim builds use entirely different compiler toolchains
20:57:21Musicmadlostlogic: ok that's why
20:57:39MusicmadI'll just keep working on my iriver then, but it's a bit tedious.
20:58:31lostlogicMusicmad: the sim build _should_ use the same compiler as the tools part of the target build...
20:58:48lostlogicMusicmad: but also require additional libraries of one sort or another
20:59:25Musicmadok - the first problem is that it can't find cc1.exe - if I path to that then it cant find -lgcc.
20:59:40Mikachuyou can give -L/path to libgcc.so
20:59:59safetydanYou shouldn't need to modify the path to get things to compile in cygwin, at least not the sims anyway
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21:00:04Musicmadsafetydan: I'll implement preglows suggestion in a flash.
21:00:31LinusNMusicmad: something must be wrong with the base cygwin installation
21:01:31Xerioncan't i turn off building of the calculator, it's useless anyway :p
21:01:35Musicmadok LinusN: will try another mirror.
21:01:39Xerionand i can't find anything from with compiler
21:01:43Xerionno strange flags used
21:02:05XavierGrXerion: if you want remove it from /apps/plugins/SOURCES
21:02:26XavierGror just delete the .c file and then make -k
21:02:33Xerioni'll try that just to see if it's the only thing which errors :p
21:02:50XavierGryou can make -k only to see if there is another error
21:03:06Xerionk
21:03:48Xeriononly at the end it doesn't make all because of the skipped calculator
21:03:57MikachuXavierGr: my corruption problems were my own fault, i had -Os so everything is fine with your plugin :)
21:04:12MikachuXavierGr: the ones i got on the ones i sent
21:04:39XavierGrnice
21:05:27Xerionso i have no idea what's wrong with the calculator but the rest builds fine
21:05:37XavierGrthen ditch it :D
21:06:13Mikachuah, it probably needs -lgcc for the sine functions?
21:06:35Mikachuor maybe i'm mixing up two people now
21:08:01Xerioni love how kde's "autorun" kicks in when fstab is changed :)
21:08:19safetydandbus or hald probably
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21:11:57Xerionmeh can't get the permissions right lol
21:12:03Xerioni'm such a n00b :)
21:14:14preglowmy god
21:14:22preglowthe wav.c codec is such a lovely mix of different indent levels...
21:14:48Musicmadsafetydan: done deal: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429902&group_id=44306&atid=439120
21:15:06preglowhas anyone actually tested adpcm decoding?
21:15:23Xerionargh umask is reversed :p
21:15:47linuxstbpreglow: I think someone tested that wav codec quite thoroughly before it was submitted. Lear maybe.
21:17:14MikachuXerion: that's why it has mask in the name
21:17:19Xerionyay it crashes :D
21:17:46XerionI40:PDIR1FULL
21:17:52Xerionhow useful ;)
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21:19:03safetydanHow are the build time estimates done at the moment? Anyway of making them self correction (i.e. estimate based on last twenty compiles or similar)?
21:19:06preglowlin 524, wav.c what's up there?
21:20:02safetydanwavbufsize?
21:20:34preglowbrb, telephone
21:20:54safetydanHrmm... an unholy alliance between the SDL sound code and the X11 threading code produces... exactly the same result as straight SDL code.
21:20:55safetydanbah
21:21:11safetydanMusicmad, I'll commit when I stop poking at this SDL stuff
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21:21:44Musicmadsafetydan: thanks - no rush :)
21:24:06Learpreglow, linuxstb, yes, I created test files based on what sox could give me. :)
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21:24:58preglowLear: looks to me like there is one goto that will never trigger there
21:25:29Learlooks like it, yes.
21:25:47Leardidn't review the code that much then, mainly tested it. :)
21:25:47preglowwhich one of them should i keep?
21:25:55Learyou ask me??
21:26:04preglowi'm prettifying the code now, so might as well remove it
21:26:14preglowyou, yes :-)
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21:26:23Learlooks like it is a case of missing "{}" to me....
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21:26:48Lear(I'm looking at the gotos on line 537 and 540...)
21:27:03Learwell, I didn't write the d*** thing... :)
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21:27:38Learbtw, some checks could probably be moved to metadata.c...
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21:28:25preglowprobably
21:29:09Zoide777for those of you having trouble building the sim, I found this site: (rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/)
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21:29:27Zoide777it has a working 4g grayscale sim that *works*, so i'm pretty happy about that :D
21:29:37Zoide777(they're already built)
21:30:36andy_aegray, linuxstb: great work on the 5g! was rockbock or ipl first with mp3 playback? :)
21:30:50safetydanwoo, audio thread debug screen in sim...
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21:31:53safetydanhrrm... looks like it goes scatty everytime the codec runs to fill the pcm buffer
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21:33:17andy_LinusN: any chance of HD LED GPIO?
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21:39:03LinusNandy_: huh?
21:40:39andy_LinusN: Any chance you could double-check the GPIO for controlling the HD LED on H1xx?
21:41:13lostlogicin unrelated news, does the H1x0 have a way to tell if the battery is full?
21:41:54LinusNandy_: ah, maybe later
21:42:08LinusNlostlogic: i believe so, yes
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21:43:33lostlogicneed to work with the guy who submitted that charging patch then to unify h1x0 and H3x0 charging behaviour with the exception of H3x0 USB charging
21:43:56andy_LinusN: sounds good
21:45:28andy_LinusN: will you bring your cool stuff to the devcon? BDM etc? :)
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21:49:00safetydanMusicmad, committed
21:49:02safetydantop work
21:50:34Musicmadthanks :) - it's only a few lines though..
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21:51:20safetydanMusicmad, yeah, but it makes a difference to me so it's important :)
21:51:45ep0chpreglow: regarding adpcm, i remember trying ms adpcm and ima adpcm and they didn't work
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21:55:51Learpreglow: btw, what's the purpose of those common internal sample format changes?
21:56:08Musicmadsafetydan: me too :) - I'll focus on the minor GUI improvements I think.
21:56:44safetydanMusicmad, if you're done with that sourceforge patch, you could close it
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21:57:16Musicmadgonna try to make play abort the menus from any level, but it has proven harder than I thought.
21:57:24Musicmadsafetydan: ok I'm done I think.
21:58:29safetydanHasn't changed when I look at it on sf
21:59:29preglowLear: right now eq (and later other dsp effect) aren't as accurate as they could be
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22:00:11preglowLear: with formats that doesn't use too many bits, a lot of accuracy is lost in eq, for example
22:00:26preglowand a common internal format is nice anyway
22:02:16preglowsafetydan: lookin' good. cute little fix too
22:02:24preglowi would have thought it would be bigger
22:03:02Musicmadpreglow: upsample maybe?
22:03:13safetydanpreglow, thank Musicmad for that. The GUI code makes me go cross-eyed sometimes.
22:03:19preglowMusicmad: what?
22:03:41Xeriondamn brickmania is hard, on h140 anyway :p
22:03:53Xerionit's just too fast :D
22:03:53Musicmadpreglow: makes for a better EQ code with less loss.
22:05:15preglowMusicmad: how can that be?
22:05:18ep0chis it just me or should the new scrolling setting be under "File View" rather than "Display -> Scrolling"?
22:05:26preglowMusicmad: are we talking about the same kind of upsampling here?
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22:06:22Musicmadpreglow: I don't know the math, I just know it's very common in the pro audio algorithms. Go to 96khz, do your algo, then go back to 44.1 (but you were talking bits, so maybe this doesn't apply).
22:06:56Musicmadep0ch: it doesn't apply to file view only. All lists are affected.
22:07:41Mikachui think we're talking about sampling depth now, not sampling frequency
22:08:21 Part yeahx
22:08:34Mikachuwhat is Screen scrolls out of view?
22:08:38preglowMusicmad: that would have a very small impact on the eq
22:08:45preglowMusicmad: and resampling is not cheap to do properly
22:08:53Musicmadpreglow: indeed not.
22:09:07preglowand you really only do upsampling when dealing with non-linear effects
22:09:11preglowthe eq is strictly linear
22:09:46Musicmadnot phase linear I assume?
22:09:51preglowoh no
22:09:55preglowthat would be way too expensive
22:10:00Musicmadrigth :)
22:10:25safetydanMikachu, shifts the whole screen left instead of just one line when scrolling long lines in a list
22:10:27Musicmadupsampling is done in pro EQ's to my knowledge, but it might just be hype.
22:10:28ep0chlostlogic: here? i have a playback bug for you :)
22:10:39Mikachusafetydan: oh
22:10:55preglowMusicmad: for eqs use linear phase fir filters, in which case it is no point at all in upsampling
22:11:00preglows/for/pro/
22:11:46Musicmadpreglow: is that a fact?
22:11:52preglowyes
22:13:10midgey34does anyone have any comments about the demux.c updates I made?
22:13:11preglowthere might be some small point in upsampling for iir based eqs like we use, to make the highshelf filters behave better, but no, not much
22:14:09Musicmadok
22:14:18lostlogicep0ch: meetings... /msg it to me
22:14:34safetydanmidgey34, apart from the "FIXME WRONG?" :)
22:14:35ep0chlostlogic: k
22:14:38aegrayanyone here have a 5g ipod?
22:14:45midgey34that was in the original source
22:14:51aegray(possibly with ipl install)
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22:16:34midgey34hmm, there are a total of 18 FIXME's in the original demux code
22:17:02aegraykernel probably
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22:17:04midgey34although, they are all the same code basically
22:17:04aegraywhoops
22:17:07linuxstbmidgey34: Does your patch actually fix any problems? i.e. does it make any unplayable files now playable?
22:17:17aegraylinuxstb: do you happen to have ipl installed?
22:17:29linuxstbaegray: No.
22:17:31aegrayk
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22:18:18preglowbut ok, i'm going home for funeral for a couple of days, back in a couple of days
22:18:21preglowlater
22:18:50preglowredundancy man
22:18:57*aegray explodes
22:18:57markunlinuxstb: we didn't go through with the soldering today, and we're not so sure anymore if the testpins are the tx and rx :(
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22:21:45safetydanman, the iPod Video sim is going to need a huge background
22:22:40linuxstbIt won't be that bad - probably about 320x600
22:22:49linuxstbI mean about 360x600
22:22:59Mikachuhow fast is the cpu?
22:23:05linuxstbWhich one?
22:23:10Mikachuon the video
22:23:13linuxstbIt has four...
22:23:13safetydanI wonder if I should just scale up the image of the iPod color to make one for the video
22:23:18Mikachuah
22:23:23Mikachuand the nano has two?
22:23:28linuxstbYep.
22:23:29Mikachubut you only use one
22:23:34Mikachuthat is also a question
22:23:58linuxstbIt has the same PP5022 chip as the Nano (dual 75Mhz ARMs), plus a "150MHz dual core" Broadcom chip.
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22:24:36linuxstbAnd yes, at the moment Rockbox is only using one of the two ARMs.
22:24:51Rob2222muahaha
22:24:54Rob22224 cores
22:24:56Rob2222nice
22:24:57Rob2222^^
22:25:09Mikachuwill it eventually use both?
22:25:23linuxstbYes - if it needs to.
22:25:51Mikachuhm, if it has two.. why does the apple firmware lag more in menus while playing music?
22:26:00linuxstbHowever, there are two good reasons not to use it - it's simpler, and it saves power.
22:26:23Mikachuis it 'off' when you don't use it?
22:26:27linuxstbYes.
22:26:31linuxstbIt's sleeping...
22:27:17LinusNprobably pining for the fjords
22:27:26linuxstb:)
22:27:26Mikachuhahaha
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22:27:35Mikachunah nah, it's only restin'
22:28:52Mikachuare the ipods the only ones with >1 cpu?
22:29:11linuxstbThe only current Rockbox targets, yes.
22:30:35Mikachuyou could use the extra cpus for running seti@ipod
22:31:21linuxstbhehe. not good for battery life though...
22:31:32ep0chdo both cpus on ipod have to run at the same speed?
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22:31:49Mikachuthe info screen says 11mhz i think, is that wrong?
22:31:53*Mikachu checks
22:32:14linuxstbI think I read that the second CPU can either run at 100% or 50% of the speed of the main CPU, or be put to sleep
22:32:15Mikachuwell, the audio thread entry under the debug menu
22:32:32linuxstbYes, that's just wrong. It's 75MHz.
22:32:44ep0chinteresting
22:32:48Mikachui figured 11 is too little to play mp3s
22:32:59Mikachuis the main cpu also clockable?
22:33:20linuxstbYes, down to something like 15KHz I think.
22:33:28Mikachuk? wow
22:34:16ep0chluckily for me the shops had shut by the time i decided to buy a 5g today :D
22:34:18hydraheadso hows the work on variable cpu speed going?
22:34:21linuxstbYes - the "light sleep" mode. I've just checked, and the PP5022 can go from 32KHz to 100MHz.
22:35:07linuxstbpreglow has done a few unsuccessful tests, but that's about it.
22:35:58Mikachuokay
22:36:04Mikachuit's a bit out of my league
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22:40:57midgey34anyone know about converting audio to alac using quicktime?
22:41:31linuxstbWhy don't you use itunes?
22:41:38linuxstbOr just not use alac...
22:41:45linuxstbOr are you testing?
22:41:55midgey34testing
22:42:03midgey34so far itunes and dbpoweramp files work
22:42:14linuxstbIs this with or without your patch?
22:42:42midgey34both
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22:42:53midgey34so, no real improvement
22:43:02linuxstbI already applied a fix to decode.c when itunes playback broke.
22:43:36linuxstbSimply ignoring all unknown chunks, rather than adding those two new functions.
22:43:51midgey34alright
22:44:03midgey34so probably better than what the patch does
22:44:31linuxstbDo you have access to Nero?
22:44:46midgey34nero burning rom?
22:44:57linuxstbNero's AAC encoder
22:45:11linuxstbI'm not sure what software it comes with.
22:45:53midgey34well, I think there's a plugin for dbpoweramp
22:49:51midgey34actually I do have it
22:50:38hydraheadan i use the 4g grey ui simulator to see how the wps's look like? do i have to drop some music in the folder?
22:50:43hydrahead*can
22:51:05safetydanhydrahead, you should be able to
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22:51:36hydraheadso i just drop a folder with music to the simulators root?
22:52:01safetydanno, into the archos folder under the sim build directory
22:52:09hydraheadok, thaks
22:52:16safetydanso if you built the sim in "build-sim" you want "build-sim/archos"
22:52:27safetydandon't forget to do make install after building the sim
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22:54:48hydraheadim using the precompiled version and it's working fine, too bad the display is still in development :)
22:58:31linuxstbYou could use the H120/H140 sim - the LCD is the same size, but there are no display bugs.
22:59:06linuxstbYou won't notice much difference between the two sims, apart from possibly different key combinations.
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23:01:12hydraheadbut the ipod sim represents the current state of that port, right?
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23:07:10midgey34linuxstb: are there any alac or aac files known not to work?
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23:08:23linuxstbI think I've got a test file.
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23:12:05linuxstbhydrahead: Yes.
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23:13:11hydraheadbugger, wish i knew how to read c...
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23:14:19fairwaydoes audio work on the 5G yet?
23:14:31LinusNyes
23:14:36fairwaysince when?
23:14:41LinusNa few hours :-)
23:14:45fairwaydoh
23:14:45fairway:)
23:15:43fairwaywhen I have time I will design nice skins :)
23:17:27imphasingLinusN: !!]
23:17:30imphasingReally?
23:17:33imphasingThat's cool..
23:17:53LinusNdon't thank me
23:18:16LinusNthank linuxstb and aegray
23:18:37fairwayThe big problem with the 5G was figuring out what spec sheet to follow when implementing the driver. Now that they know which specification the custom WM DAC used in the 5G follows, it should be fairly straightforward to iron out the bugs.
23:19:52lostlogic5g shares the severe slow LCD problems of the H3x0...
23:20:31Bgernite
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23:21:22imphasingI know aegray was working on it yesterday
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23:22:20linuxstblostlogic: I can't imaging the h3x0's lcd is as slow as the 5g
23:22:25linuxstbs/imaging/imagine/
23:23:07lostlogiclinuxstb: the actual lcd_update is better on h3x0, but they both have the OUR FRAMEBUFFERS ARE TOO BIG AND UPDATING THEM IS SLOW problem :)
23:23:32linuxstbWhat do you mean "our framebuffers are too big" ?
23:23:44linuxstbYou mean the LCDs are too big?
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23:24:00lostlogiclinuxstb: it's just a lot of data to keep updated as the screen changes...
23:24:54lostlogicbecause they are 16bit color and high res
23:32:05t0mashm...
23:32:11t0maswe have an almost error free build table...
23:32:42t0masdoes anybody have some time for this one:
23:32:43t0mashttp://www.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=2006-02-13%2021%3A47%3A16&type=iAudio%20X5%20-%20Simulator#prob1
23:34:31LinusNany h300 owners here?
23:35:06muesli__yepp
23:35:23LinusNcan you help me with a test?
23:35:28muesli__sure
23:35:37FebsYup.
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23:36:04LinusNmuesli__: when you enter/exit usb mode, does the hard drive click?
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23:36:19KiwiclxHey all :x
23:36:21LinusNthe regular usb mode, not bootloader usb
23:36:29muesli__oki
23:36:34muesli__hold urt breat
23:36:37LinusNKiwiclx: yo
23:37:02KiwiclxYo :)
23:37:11tucozLinusN: I came to think of something. (re forum post). What if the root folder is filled with more files than the default dir buffer number? Will rockbox boot in that case?
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23:37:18KiwiclxI am in need of some quick assistance ;d
23:37:25LinusNtucoz: yes
23:37:31tucozOk, good
23:37:46muesli__LinusN nope
23:37:59midgey34LinusN: I'm not getting the click then spindown in reg mode either
23:38:11linuxstbKiwiclx: tell us your problem.....
23:38:12midgey34in bootloader mode I am
23:38:20LinusNok
23:38:25FebsI get a short click: ch-chink.
23:38:43LinusNi have discovered a problem with the usb/ata drivers on the h300
23:38:49muesli__but i get clickes sometimes while/after copying
23:38:58FebsOf course, Windows XP scans the filesystem every time I connect a USB device.
23:39:15KiwiclxI am running RockBox on a G4 B&W. I was looking around the settings and changed the language to 'Korean', but instead of getting anything, all of the entires on the menu are now blank
23:39:24KiwiclxIs there any config file I can revert or some other process?
23:39:26muesli__backdrop remains while using usb-mode - nice
23:39:29preglowyes, default font doesn't support korean...
23:39:44KiwiclxI switched to another font, but that's good to know
23:39:56LinusNmuesli__: could you try my fix for me?
23:40:01preglowthe current font selection is a bit of a mess
23:40:05*preglow disappears again
23:40:12tucozhehe, I always wondered what the number in the title of the browser irc client was. Now I got it. It´s the number of people in the channel. :) Thought it was some random status of some kind.
23:40:27Kiwiclx:)
23:40:37muesli__LinusN yepp, tell me what to do
23:40:49FebsI saw 109 on the channel this morning. That's the highest I've seen.
23:40:59LinusNhttp://linus.haxx.se/rockbox-usbfix.zip
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23:41:46muesli__dl...
23:42:00tucozFebs: what do you think of the screenshot issue with the manual? Do you think we should select by feature in that case, or by target?
23:42:34midgey34is there any reason any that the win32 sims are built in the table rather than sdl?
23:42:34Mode"#rockbox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
23:42:37Topic"The Rockbox Channel - http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/" by t0mas (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas)
23:42:58Bagderrather than?
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23:43:00tucozThere will be lots of redundancy if we store the screenshots by target.
23:43:01BagderI can see both kinds
23:43:08midgey34like on the h100
23:43:16Mode"#rockbox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas)
23:43:25Bagderyes, there is a reason
23:43:39muesli__LinusN ok, im ready
23:43:42t0massome are not working as SDL yet midgey34
23:43:43Bagderthe reason is that we can't currently cross-compile a windows SDL build on Linux
23:43:57LinusNmuesli__: install it and try usb mode
23:44:05Febstucoz, I haven't followed the discussion.
23:44:21Bagderso I left the win builds to at least make sure some windows stuff builds
23:44:26midgey34ah, alright
23:44:35tucozAs linuxstb said the other day. We could set a few configs (similar to rockbox source) and define these for each platform.
23:44:36muesli__LinusN yepp, theres a click on entering
23:44:44t0masBagder: is there a H120 SDL sim availible then?
23:44:53t0masI tought that didn't work yet
23:44:58linuxstbI think there are SDL sims for everything.
23:44:59MusicmadLinusN: choosing a different mirror got me past the path problems.
23:45:04Bagdert0mas: all target sims can be SDL
23:45:08t0masah, missed that
23:45:16t0masnice
23:45:23tucozLike, define haverecording, haveradio, resolutionXbitdepth etc
23:45:34LinusNmuesli__: a click with the test code?
23:45:35Musicmadsomeone knows the reason for this: /rockbox-devel/sim/libsim.a(lcd-remote.o): In function `lcd_remote_update':
23:45:35Musicmadote_update'
23:45:36tucoz...for each platform
23:46:25muesli__LinusN a clcik while entering the usb-mode, but didnt get one while leaving and reentering
23:46:35LinusNok
23:46:40FebsAnd then, e.g., use the "record screen" screenshot only for those targets that have a recording function? And use the same screenshot for each such platform?
23:46:40LinusNas long as it works
23:47:00LinusNmuesli__: there is a slight chance that the battery life improves with this fix
23:47:01lostlogicLinusN: this relates to the HDD power vs HDD reset that you found in dissassembling the iRiver firmware?
23:47:09LinusNlostlogic: yup
23:47:22LinusNbut i haven't mixed them up
23:47:29tucozFebs: the issue is, we could store screenshots by platform (ipodnano, h1xx, h300 etc) or by resXbitdepth. We could then use the same screenshot for h300 and ipodcolor for instance.
23:47:36muesli__LinusN ill X my fingers :-)
23:48:05muesli__btw what is that clicking good for?
23:48:21FebsI think that the latter makes sense for this reason: if a new function is added, I can add a section to the manual for that function. However, I can only take screen shots on the platforms I own, H120 and H340.
23:48:39tucoz...or with the sim
23:48:47XavierGriAudio X5 has 16Mbyte RAM <- really? That sucks!
23:48:49FebsAh, good point.
23:49:07Musicmadcan anybody shed some light on my problem please? tia
23:49:18FebsStill, it would be a lot of work to keep screenshots of every platform, especially as the number of platforms grows.
23:49:25linuxstbH120 is the same as the iPod 4G (and hopefully soon, the iPod 3G). And the H340 is the same as the iPod Color/Photo. So you already have 5 targets...
23:49:30muesli__XavierGr thats poor :o
23:50:04tucozlinuxstb. Is that really true? I think the blue backlight is missing in teh 4g
23:50:19linuxstbWho cares about the backlight color?
23:50:22tucozhehe
23:50:42MoosXavierGr: yeah :-(, i just saw this too with Linus commit, and I planed to buy one very soon
23:50:59tucozWell, I am quite convinced with the resxbitdepth approach
23:51:07Bagderand you guys know that 16MB vs 32MB is a major impact?
23:51:09linuxstbBuy a 60GB iPod 5G - a lovely 64MB of RAM...
23:51:20elinenbeLinusN: your power commit that you just did... is that pretty much just a cleanup?
23:51:21BagderI would say you only guess here
23:51:38lostlogiclinuxstb: 5g 30g also 64mb?
23:51:46lostlogicelinenbe: no, read up to his convo with muesli
23:51:46linuxstbNo - 32MB.
23:51:54MoosBagder: isn't a drama but we are habbit with irivers one :)
23:51:57FebsI guess the issue is this: what do we gain from having a different screenshot for every platform? If the EQ screen, for example, looks basically the same on the iPod color as on the H340, separate screen shots doesn't add much value.
23:51:57tucozI'll have a go with the macros next week, and see what that will brin.
23:51:57*lostlogic cries
23:52:05Bagderthe h100 has 16 mb too
23:52:33LinusNelinenbe: no, it's a major bug
23:52:37MoosBagder: I thought to h120 and 300 one
23:52:58tucozFebs. exactly.
23:53:07elinenbeLinusN: will this solve some of the power problems that people are up in arms about?
23:53:08FebsIt seems to me that the cost in time and effort of putting togethre separate screenshots for each platform outweighs the benefit.
23:53:31tucozI agree. They would be duplicates anyway
23:54:48FebsBy the way, I set up my Cygwin environment and also took a read through the introductory TeX documentation, so I'm close to being ready to help with the actual manual.
23:54:49tucozOk, so the first step will be to fix that. I'll fix that next week if noone else beat me to it.
23:54:51linuxstbFebs: I would agree as well. I think we basically need four types of "generic" screenshots - Archos (small mono LCD), iRivier H1x0/iPod Grayscale (medium sized greyscale LCD) and then the color LCDs.
23:55:01linuxstbSorry, that's three types...
23:55:30tucozFebs: cool. Yes, do you see the similarity with the wiki-language?
23:55:58tucozIt is quite a similar way of structuring stuff.
23:56:44FebsSure. And conceptually not too different from HTML.
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23:56:49LinusNelinenbe: it *might* be the cause of the poor battery life
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23:57:33JdGordonmornin all
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23:58:44JdGordongah u all confuse me :D
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