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| 00:03:35 | stripwax | evenin |
| 00:05:53 | stripwax | linuxstb - thanks for committing my patch by the way! I haven't tested it out on my H120 yet, I'm tweaking the colormap right now |
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| 00:14:04 | stripwax | linuxstb_ - think I've just found a bug in the color->gray conversion in pacbox. two ticks just to check my hunch.. |
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| 00:16:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:16:49 | JdGordon | if any1 is interested... the colinux hdd image is 140mb self extracting 7-zip.. ill upload it at uni in abuot 90min |
| 00:18:06 | stripwax | linuxstb_ - yeah. found it. rgb_to_gray takes in 'int' (should really be unsigned char) but it was being passed the full 24-bit color value so the mapping was junk. |
| 00:18:42 | stripwax | Bingo. |
| 00:19:27 | stripwax | needs another tweak still else the maze walls come out black :-) |
| 00:20:54 | midk | JdGordon, cool :) |
| 00:23:44 | midk | hey, XavierGr? |
| 00:24:00 | cs_weasel | just adds to the challenge |
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| 00:25:53 | sharpe | wheee |
| 00:26:08 | midk | sharpe! |
| 00:26:50 | stripwax | cs_weasel - heh |
| 00:27:04 | sharpe | yes! it's me! |
| 00:27:27 | sharpe | i'm going to get to fixing up the zip code after im finished with this stuff... |
| 00:28:41 | midk | sharpe, cool :) |
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| 00:30:10 | sharpe | and if anyone thinks of anything else i can add to the plugin other than decompression, feel free to suggest... |
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| 00:30:34 | midkay | sharpe, did you consider packaged wps files? |
| 00:30:52 | sharpe | haven' |
| 00:30:58 | sharpe | t gotten to them yet :) |
| 00:31:12 | midkay | hooray! :) |
| 00:31:31 | cs_weasel | is there a way to get the position of your finger on the scroll wheel? if so, using that for controlling would be nicer than having to push the buttons |
| 00:31:47 | cs_weasel | i sometimes fat finger em and bump out to the menu (menu+select) :) |
| 00:31:49 | midkay | cs_weasel, there is in a patch.. |
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| 00:32:16 | | Quit Shadowarrior13 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 00:32:25 | cs_weasel | i haven't quite gotten the hang of pacbox like I do on the real thing :) |
| 00:32:28 | linuxstb_ | stripwax: Looking forward to the patch... |
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| 00:32:58 | cs_weasel | maybe also an option to flip the display in the other direction |
| 00:33:29 | sharpe | gah, still going to need like 30 minutes... |
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| 00:34:59 | linuxstb | cs_weasel: Yes, I want to implement a "left-handed" option for pacbox. |
| 00:35:10 | linuxstb | I'm currently trying to get Ms. Pacman working though... |
| 00:35:39 | cs_weasel | I'd actually consider it the right-handed :) for those of us who grew up working a d-pad with their left thumb |
| 00:36:03 | sharpe | left handed option? |
| 00:36:04 | cs_weasel | oh carry on with ms. pacman |
| 00:36:15 | cs_weasel | that'll be awesome |
| 00:36:22 | sharpe | i'm left handed... |
| 00:37:14 | linuxstb | cs_weasel: OK, I'll be careful what I call the option then... |
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| 00:43:23 | stripwax | linuxstb - yeah, shouldn't be long now. just tweaking some more |
| 00:49:08 | stripwax | linuxstb - www.beermex.com/pacbox.patch |
| 00:49:18 | stripwax | fixes the palette bug, and tweaks the colormap also. |
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| 00:52:13 | stripwax | http://www.beermex.com/pacbox.gif |
| 00:52:40 | stripwax | ugh. that gif is dithered ; I haven't coded the dither yet ;-) |
| 00:52:50 | stripwax | guess that's what I should do next ;-) |
| 00:53:53 | stripwax | ok, gotta go. |
| 00:54:32 | nudel | hah that looks cool :) |
| 00:54:52 | stripwax | yeh, it doesn't look quite that cool on the h120! |
| 00:55:19 | stripwax | ok gnight |
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| 00:55:23 | nudel | having it running at all is impressive :) |
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| 00:59:24 | sharpe | hey midkay, i think i'm about to get started.. |
| 00:59:32 | midkay | sharpe, on what? |
| 00:59:52 | sharpe | fixing up the zip |
| 00:59:53 | sharpe | thing |
| 00:59:59 | midkay | sharpe, awesome :) |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:17 | sharpe | then if i have time, the packaged wps files... |
| 01:00:29 | midkay | so... decompression, WPS detection, and tar/bz2/7z/rar files. |
| 01:00:31 | midkay | sounds great. |
| 01:00:33 | midkay | ;) |
| 01:00:50 | sharpe | huh? |
| 01:01:07 | midkay | huh? |
| 01:01:22 | sharpe | you listed the things i haven't done yet... |
| 01:01:29 | midkay | yes. do those and we're good. |
| 01:01:33 | sharpe | oh |
| 01:01:35 | sharpe | well |
| 01:01:38 | sharpe | heh |
| 01:01:44 | midkay | kidding of course. :) |
| 01:01:47 | sharpe | you want to do the decompression? :) |
| 01:02:14 | nudel | if anyone has code for creating (not just unpacking) rar archives i will seriously consider giving them oral pleasure |
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| 01:02:55 | sharpe | that makes me scared. |
| 01:03:12 | midkay | sharpe, if you're really not into it and you think it's a lot of work - you can post up an uncompressed unpacker at least and add decompression later or something.. |
| 01:03:13 | nudel | i'll, um, wear a blonde wig and stuff |
| 01:03:33 | sharpe | heh, i'll probably end up doing that midkay |
| 01:03:35 | midkay | nudel, well sharpe clearly doesn't want the oral pleasure, but if he doesn't mind maybe i can take it for him.. |
| 01:04:06 | nudel | i'd leave out supporting RAR... no reason to encourage people to use that god forsaken proprietary format that you cannot even pay to licence, other than a pretty awful decompression (only) library. :-/ |
| 01:04:53 | | Quit herz42_ ("Und wech") |
| 01:04:54 | * | nudel is sick of people complaining that Directory Opus can only unpack RAR archives and explaining it's because RARLabs seem to think it's clever that the whole world uses WinRAR and cannot intergrate the functionality into other apps :( |
| 01:05:18 | sharpe | um, nudel, here's a c library that supports rar files... http://www.unrarlib.org/features.html |
| 01:05:23 | sharpe | apparently... |
| 01:05:25 | nudel | *un*rar lib :) |
| 01:05:27 | nudel | it can't create them |
| 01:05:35 | sharpe | mm |
| 01:05:44 | sharpe | for some reason, i didn't notice the 'un' part |
| 01:05:50 | nudel | hehe |
| 01:06:17 | nudel | some people must've reverse engineered the format since a couple of older file managers can create rar archives, but they don't seem to have published the info :( |
| 01:06:48 | nudel | i just with the format would die, but the warez world keeps it alive. anyway, gnight :) |
| 01:06:53 | sharpe | lets make our own compressed archive format :D |
| 01:07:13 | nudel | 7zip sounds good all round. good compression and open source. |
| 01:07:28 | nudel | only problem is almost nobody uses it :) |
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| 01:07:36 | sharpe | heh |
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| 01:07:50 | sharpe | i think i used it for backups |
| 01:07:55 | Bagder | well, they did miss a few things |
| 01:08:03 | Bagder | it is clearly made for windows |
| 01:08:44 | Bagder | if they'd make 7zip more similar to gzip or bzip2, I bet more people would use it |
| 01:08:57 | Bagder | I mean usage-wise |
| 01:09:09 | * | Bagder shuts up and goes to bed |
| 01:09:20 | midkay | godnatt Bagder !!! |
| 01:09:34 | midkay | natti natti. |
| 01:10:09 | sharpe | yay for different time zones |
| 01:10:44 | | Quit hydrahead ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") |
| 01:10:51 | midkay | sharpe, stop this!!: < - < - < - < - (that's a mouth opening and closing) and do this 10101010101010101110101010101 (that's _code_)!!!!! |
| 01:11:28 | sharpe | i don't code in binary... do you? |
| 01:11:33 | midkay | no!! |
| 01:11:49 | sharpe | i'm watching cartoons too... |
| 01:12:06 | sharpe | i don't know why i picked 'sharpe' either |
| 01:12:14 | midkay | haha/ |
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| 01:14:31 | sharpe | well, using that inline function saves .1kb... |
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| 01:16:08 | sharpe | wait, i did something bad... |
| 01:16:37 | | Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:17:27 | sharpe | wow. i saved 68 bytes by using inline functions. |
| 01:18:39 | | Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:21:10 | midkay | sharpe, haha. |
| 01:22:02 | sharpe | i just realized, like the geico commercial... "I saved 15 % on my car insurance by switching to Geico..." "I saved 2.84 % by switching to inline functions." |
| 01:23:04 | midkay | hahaha |
| 01:23:16 | midkay | afk for 1.5 hours.. movie. :) |
| 01:23:56 | sharpe | whatever happened to the, 01010101010101010101?! |
| 01:46:08 | imphasing | ahahahahahaha, 100101110100001111000111000111111 |
| 01:46:10 | imphasing | good times. |
| 01:46:42 | sharpe | so far i've saved 128 bytes |
| 01:47:05 | imphasing | Just use ASM.. |
| 01:47:06 | imphasing | :P |
| 01:47:15 | sharpe | i'm not that pressed for space:) |
| 01:47:25 | imphasing | What are yau writing? |
| 01:47:28 | imphasing | er, you |
| 01:47:59 | sharpe | fixing up my zip plugin that only handles uncompressed zips and can only extract the file |
| 01:48:29 | imphasing | ah |
| 01:48:48 | imphasing | I might just use libz to write a gzip module for rockbox.. |
| 01:48:51 | imphasing | :) |
| 01:48:59 | sharpe | i will disown you. |
| 01:49:02 | sharpe | ;) |
| 01:49:05 | imphasing | hehehe |
| 01:49:29 | imphasing | It probably wouldn't be hard to port libz over |
| 01:49:32 | sharpe | eh |
| 01:49:49 | sharpe | plugins don't use malloc :( |
| 01:49:56 | imphasing | damnit |
| 01:49:59 | imphasing | what do they use? |
| 01:50:03 | sharpe | nothing... |
| 01:50:08 | imphasing | :/ |
| 01:50:12 | sharpe | from what i've done so far, you can use the plugin buffer space |
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| 01:50:21 | imphasing | damn |
| 01:50:32 | sharpe | then you may be able to write a malloc-like function for that space, but i dunno |
| 01:50:47 | sharpe | i haven't tried |
| 01:51:12 | sharpe | only think i use it for is the 1kb buffer for extracting the zipped files... |
| 01:51:14 | sharpe | thing |
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| 01:52:07 | imphasing | Gah...someone asked me for a way to find the size of all the files in a directory |
| 01:52:19 | imphasing | So I used ls -s |
| 01:52:30 | sharpe | that a problem? |
| 01:52:41 | imphasing | piped it to a grep, to another grep, to bc |
| 01:52:51 | imphasing | I got the sizes all grepped out |
| 01:52:58 | imphasing | then substituted the \n for + |
| 01:53:01 | imphasing | then piped it into bc |
| 01:53:03 | imphasing | hahaha... |
| 01:53:05 | imphasing | <−− idiot |
| 01:53:15 | sharpe | seems like... |
| 01:53:26 | sharpe | such a long solution to such a simple problem... |
| 01:53:33 | imphasing | yaeh |
| 01:54:43 | sharpe | um |
| 01:54:49 | sharpe | what to make smaller now? |
| 01:57:03 | imphasing | er |
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| 01:57:18 | sharpe | wow, i had no idea that's what the movie 'chicken little' was about... |
| 01:57:54 | imphasing | haha.. |
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| 02:00:43 | sharpe | i need something to do... |
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| 02:00:56 | sharpe | because, i always need something to do for some reason. |
| 02:01:23 | JD|uni | doh! |
| 02:01:36 | JD|uni | i left my usb cable at home, so i cant get the image off my iriver onto the comp :'( |
| 02:01:55 | sharpe | quick! get five wires! |
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| 02:04:45 | sharpe | ooo |
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| 02:05:46 | sharpe | i'm... not sure that's the message nickelodeon wants to be showing to kids... |
| 02:05:58 | JD|uni | ?? |
| 02:06:10 | sharpe | showed a clip from the simpsons |
| 02:06:39 | sharpe | homer threatened to kill bart and his whole family after he set the end of the car down while it was partially off a cliff |
| 02:07:11 | sharpe | kind of disturbing for nickelodeon... |
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| 02:09:01 | sharpe | wow, i'm so bored... |
| 02:10:38 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 02:11:10 | sharpe | it seems so familiar. |
| 02:11:11 | Paprica | write a contect to the plugins with the /!\ |
| 02:11:25 | sharpe | wha/ |
| 02:11:26 | sharpe | ? |
| 02:12:12 | Paprica | i give you what to do =] |
| 02:12:22 | Paprica | so if you will do somthing |
| 02:12:35 | Paprica | you wont be bored |
| 02:16:00 | sharpe | contect? |
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| 02:17:02 | | Quit BladeSling (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 02:21:17 | sharpe | ah... what file would have the source dealing with loading/applying .wps files? |
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| 02:26:15 | JD|uni | gwps_common.c and gwps.c |
| 02:26:19 | JD|uni | in apps/gui |
| 02:26:43 | sharpe | thank you... |
| 02:26:54 | sharpe | i found it once like a week ago but forgot about it |
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| 03:01:55 | sharpe | yay... |
| 03:09:00 | midkay | hey sharpe |
| 03:09:58 | sharpe | 'lo |
| 03:10:08 | sharpe | i'm looking into how i'd get the packaged wps files working |
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| 03:10:33 | midkay | cool. you'll most definitely need to add something to the API.. i'd .. hmm.. that's a kind of tough one.. |
| 03:10:38 | midkay | (loading WPS') |
| 03:10:39 | sharpe | heh |
| 03:10:46 | sharpe | you and that api... har har... |
| 03:11:04 | midkay | sharpe, oh, if you want to do it sans any API additions - good luck. :) |
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| 03:11:31 | Ashex | Hey guys |
| 03:12:27 | sharpe | hello, even though i've no idea who you are, hi!: ) |
| 03:12:42 | midkay | hey Ashex |
| 03:13:14 | Ashex | heh |
| 03:13:23 | Ashex | 'tis X from iPodWizard |
| 03:13:36 | sharpe | midkay, i'm trying to find what function calls... wps_data_load() apparently... |
| 03:16:00 | sharpe | or whatever is associated with opening the file... |
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| 03:21:20 | midkay | sharpe, ah.. hm |
| 03:21:32 | midkay | i'd check probably tree.c to see what happens when a WPS file is selected.. |
| 03:21:36 | midkay | i think it's tree.c |
| 03:21:48 | sharpe | gah |
| 03:21:50 | sharpe | thank you |
| 03:22:06 | sharpe | i think |
| 03:22:54 | midkay | haha. wait. |
| 03:26:12 | sharpe | hmm... i want to go see that one movie i just saw the commercial for, but instantly forgot it |
| 03:26:16 | sharpe | oh |
| 03:26:20 | sharpe | ice age : meltdown |
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| 03:28:00 | sharpe | it's like... so difficult to find what happens when a .wps is selected in the file browser... |
| 03:28:21 | midkay | haha |
| 03:28:27 | midkay | sorry.. sec |
| 03:28:32 | sharpe | :) |
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| 03:29:14 | midkay | my head is killing me.. alright.. |
| 03:29:25 | sharpe | you know what that means... |
| 03:30:54 | midkay | apps/filetree.c should have it. |
| 03:31:17 | sharpe | wow, i have like 15 different source files open |
| 03:31:19 | midkay | line 407 might be of interest |
| 03:31:34 | sharpe | it feels like you're trying to point me in some direction... |
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| 03:36:57 | sharpe | should there be a different extension? like, .wpz? |
| 03:37:52 | midkay | sharpe, um. hm. |
| 03:38:04 | sharpe | seems logical... |
| 03:38:14 | midkay | that actually sounds rather nice.. but i'd probably say just keep it .zip |
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| 03:38:22 | sharpe | aww... |
| 03:38:25 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:38:27 | midkay | because otherwise we'll probably get questions on "how do i make a wpz file?" |
| 03:38:37 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 03:38:41 | midkay | "how can i change the extension?" |
| 03:39:00 | sharpe | but people may also ask, "how do i package my theme in a zip file?" |
| 03:39:04 | midkay | "it's normal zip? i don't need a special program?" etc.. you know, those darn end-user things.. :) |
| 03:39:23 | sharpe | heh... |
| 03:39:32 | midkay | then it's a simple "zip it all".. not "zip it all but change the extension to wpz, you need to go in and do this and change that and then you can see the extensions and then you just rename it".. |
| 03:39:43 | sharpe | lol |
| 03:39:56 | sharpe | zip it all and put it in the plugins directory... |
| 03:40:03 | sharpe | um... |
| 03:40:08 | midkay | sharpe, huh? i'd say /wps :) |
| 03:40:14 | sharpe | er |
| 03:40:18 | sharpe | yeah, you know what i mean |
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| 03:40:38 | midkay | yeah, that. :) i was thinking the problem may lie in loading bitmaps.. not sure how you plan to handle that if you already considered it or not.. |
| 03:40:54 | sharpe | eh, think people would mind... temporary files? |
| 03:41:22 | midkay | sharpe, seems a bit logical.. relying on the plugin to load everything each time you boot might not be the best idea.. |
| 03:41:48 | sharpe | i mean, it'd be in like a permanent directory so as long as the theme isn't changed, it'd still point to that theme in the dir... |
| 03:41:53 | midkay | maybe /.rockbox/temp could have the wps and bitmaps.. and just clear out that folder each time a new WPS is loaded from zip and extract everything there again |
| 03:42:05 | sharpe | yay |
| 03:42:11 | sharpe | my idea = your idea |
| 03:42:14 | midkay | haha. :) |
| 03:42:15 | sharpe | essentially |
| 03:42:19 | midkay | cool :) |
| 03:43:00 | sharpe | so... api function to load a wps file? :) |
| 03:43:57 | sharpe | from what i see... have the function call these two, |
| 03:43:57 | sharpe | wps_data_load(gui_wps[0].data, buf, true); |
| 03:43:57 | sharpe | set_file(buf, (char *)global_settings.wps_file, MAX_FILENAME); |
| 03:44:09 | sharpe | and that should work? |
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| 03:45:16 | T3hBachel0r | very cool channel |
| 03:49:01 | sharpe | with the respective arguments of course... |
| 03:49:52 | midkay | sharpe, sorry, went afk - headache's killing me, had to get some advil.. um.. |
| 03:50:18 | sharpe | heh tis okay... |
| 03:50:19 | midkay | yes, that seems right.. that would load it to memory, and then change the global setting to load that on boot.. |
| 03:50:34 | midkay | i believe |
| 03:50:47 | sharpe | is it just me, or does advil taste like, sweet or something... |
| 03:51:09 | midkay | it's delicious candy |
| 03:51:17 | midkay | that's why advil > tylenol. |
| 03:51:48 | sharpe | wonderful, wonderful ibuprofen... |
| 03:52:03 | midkay | sharpe, so you know how to add that to the API? |
| 03:52:10 | sharpe | me thinks |
| 03:52:32 | midkay | k, you need g_wps.h and the function syntax is also in there (line 355).. |
| 03:52:45 | sharpe | yeah, i've got that... |
| 03:52:48 | midkay | set_file.. i dunno what that does exactly. might already be in there. if not, search the rockbox source dir for it.. |
| 03:53:04 | midkay | i don't know where that's used, i mean. i've never heard of it |
| 03:53:15 | sharpe | heh, i suppose i should just add those two functions to the api, instead of writing a function to call both... |
| 03:53:22 | midkay | i guess it loads files to settings (WPS, font, theme, config..) |
| 03:53:33 | sharpe | what it seems like it does to me |
| 03:53:36 | midkay | they both need to be in the API.. |
| 03:53:49 | midkay | unless the function is in plugin.c itself, i think that's a no-no. |
| 03:53:54 | sharpe | well, that's easy enough then. |
| 03:54:00 | sharpe | nah, i didn't mean it like that... |
| 03:54:28 | sharpe | ah cool... global_settings is already in the api :) |
| 03:55:01 | midkay | yep.. don't forget your rb-> :) |
| 03:56:42 | sharpe | heh |
| 03:57:13 | T3hBachel0r | hey is most of the PP502X known at this point? |
| 03:57:28 | T3hBachel0r | i.e. is it known how to interface with usb and the other dual core processor |
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| 04:00:21 | sharpe | oh my god. |
| 04:00:37 | midkay | T3hBachel0r, i'm not knowledgeable in the hardware stuff, but there's no USB mode in rockbox yet, so that seems unknown.. |
| 04:00:50 | sharpe | what did i just do... |
| 04:00:55 | midkay | also only one core is being used ATM, so i'd assume that that's also something unknown. |
| 04:00:59 | midkay | sharpe, huh?!?!?!>?!?!?!?! |
| 04:01:03 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:01:08 | T3hBachel0r | midkay: ahhh... |
| 04:01:23 | T3hBachel0r | midkay: gonna be interesting to see how the devs figure out how to use it |
| 04:01:25 | sharpe | midkay: i've beat your compiler warning high score... |
| 04:02:00 | sharpe | two warnings for every file that includes "plugin.h" |
| 04:03:05 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:04:08 | sharpe | oh my... |
| 04:05:38 | midkay | T3hBachel0r, yeah, trial and error i guess |
| 04:05:44 | midkay | sharpe, hm? what are they? |
| 04:05:55 | sharpe | lol, nothing big, working on it now |
| 04:06:03 | sharpe | well |
| 04:06:28 | sharpe | technically big, because it was for like, every file that included plugin.h... and that's apparantly a lot of files... so yeh... |
| 04:06:39 | sharpe | the log of the compile would be big then. |
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| 04:07:54 | sharpe | okay, down to one warning. |
| 04:08:26 | midkay | haha3 |
| 04:08:33 | midkay | what is it? |
| 04:09:04 | sharpe | initialization from incompatible pointer type... |
| 04:09:53 | midkay | line numbers? |
| 04:09:59 | sharpe | eh, something i added... |
| 04:10:02 | sharpe | trying to fix... |
| 04:10:14 | midkay | alright |
| 04:13:46 | sharpe | why... do i have a pointer to a pointer...? |
| 04:13:59 | midkay | what? |
| 04:14:05 | sharpe | i'm not sure... |
| 04:14:12 | midkay | line numbers? |
| 04:14:18 | sharpe | something i added also :) |
| 04:14:28 | midkay | huh? are you asking for help or just thinking aloud? :) |
| 04:14:35 | sharpe | thinking aloud |
| 04:14:37 | sharpe | :D |
| 04:14:51 | midkay | bah. humbugs. etc etc. :) |
| 04:14:54 | sharpe | ahey, we may be in business... |
| 04:15:53 | sharpe | yeah, that warning was from "struct gui_wps* (*gui_wps)" |
| 04:16:12 | sharpe | i should just type this in notepad. |
| 04:16:30 | midkay | ah |
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| 04:16:42 | sharpe | eh, compiled with no errors... |
| 04:16:50 | sharpe | nor warnings |
| 04:17:36 | midkay | good, good |
| 04:20:42 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:20:46 | sharpe | you know what'd be funny? |
| 04:20:53 | midkay | hm? |
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| 04:21:08 | sharpe | actually, not funny, but more like morbidly ironic... |
| 04:21:20 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:21:32 | sharpe | heheh... |
| 04:21:39 | midkay | what?! |
| 04:23:55 | sharpe | if somehow, my ipod ended up bricked because of it. :) |
| 04:24:06 | sharpe | because, that's like nearly impossible to do... |
| 04:24:09 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:24:20 | midkay | as-is loading a WPS from a zip! hyaaaaa. |
| 04:24:35 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:24:41 | sharpe | but we shall see! |
| 04:24:43 | sharpe | lol... |
| 04:24:55 | midkay | i'm glad i'm not a tester! |
| 04:25:02 | sharpe | oh... man... i am. |
| 04:26:24 | midkay | hyaaa. exactly. |
| 04:27:18 | sharpe | hmm |
| 04:27:26 | sharpe | i'm just going to see if i could get this to work at firs |
| 04:27:27 | sharpe | t |
| 04:28:18 | midkay | yes.. the way i'd do it is just attempt to extract wps.wps from the root and move it to temp, and then load it from temp.. once that works, i'd try and figure out bitmaps.. and then, the gui :) |
| 04:28:29 | sharpe | yeah |
| 04:28:34 | sharpe | what i was planning |
| 04:28:51 | sharpe | heh, "/.rockbox/tempwps/" |
| 04:28:57 | sharpe | wonderful folder name. |
| 04:29:05 | midkay | haha |
| 04:30:51 | sharpe | heh... |
| 04:35:37 | sharpe | would be fairly nice if i did get it working... |
| 04:35:58 | midkay | = it's not and you think it'd be hard? :) |
| 04:36:28 | sharpe | i dunno... |
| 04:37:02 | midkay | hm, good luck anyways :) |
| 04:37:06 | sharpe | heh |
| 04:37:50 | sharpe | it's like, just a wrapper for the wps files right now, from my view. |
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| 04:38:55 | sharpe | wow, slight deja vu. |
| 04:39:36 | midkay | sharpe, haha. :) |
| 04:43:41 | sharpe | eh, i'm going to head to sleep |
| 04:43:54 | sharpe | i'll work on it tomorrow... |
| 04:45:55 | midkay | haha. alright. :) |
| 04:45:58 | midkay | btw.. hm.. |
| 04:46:32 | midkay | well.. i think it would be nice to support a few different structures.. |
| 04:46:45 | sharpe | yeah |
| 04:46:59 | midkay | the common two on WpsGallery seem to be four folders.. backdrops, wps, fonts and themes.. and, four folders in a .rockbox folder. |
| 04:47:15 | sharpe | yeah... |
| 04:47:19 | midkay | if those two setups could be supported then people could update their zip files to be uncompressed if they aren't already.. |
| 04:47:24 | midkay | and that means easy loading from zip :) |
| 04:47:28 | midkay | that'd be really cool |
| 04:48:00 | sharpe | heh |
| 04:48:13 | sharpe | tomorrow i'll write out all the ideas somewhere :) |
| 04:48:28 | midkay | haha. i could do it!! :) |
| 04:48:44 | sharpe | lol, go for it :) |
| 04:48:54 | sharpe | well, i'll be going now |
| 04:48:56 | midkay | maybe a nice way to do it would be to like.. |
| 04:49:05 | midkay | have different steps.. |
| 04:49:15 | sharpe | like...? |
| 04:49:44 | midkay | step 1: locate .rockbox if there is one, then go into it and move on... if not, just move on. step 2: look for a "wps" folder.. if it exists, go into it and onwards.. if not, just go onwards... step 3: look for *.wps.. |
| 04:49:49 | midkay | just off the top of my head |
| 04:49:56 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:49:59 | sharpe | wait |
| 04:50:08 | midkay | might simplify it a bit.. |
| 04:50:10 | sharpe | how'd i get 'lol' if i was going to type 'heh' |
| 04:50:10 | sharpe | ? |
| 04:50:17 | midkay | haha. |
| 04:50:29 | sharpe | ah, oh well |
| 04:50:30 | midkay | well, it's letter one, letter two, letter one.. |
| 04:50:33 | midkay | same pattern :) |
| 04:50:37 | sharpe | true |
| 04:50:52 | sharpe | heh, alright, i'll be on tomorrow, hopefully have something working by then' |
| 04:51:07 | midkay | sharpe, cool, take your time (not really) ;) |
| 04:51:11 | sharpe | lol |
| 04:51:17 | sharpe | thanks, such encouragement. |
| 04:51:19 | midkay | "take your time" is just something you say to comfort.. you don't ever mean it. |
| 04:51:20 | midkay | :) |
| 04:51:28 | midkay | it really means "get it done, dammit".. |
| 04:51:34 | sharpe | lol... heh, g'night |
| 04:51:39 | midkay | nite :) |
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| 07:50:55 | midkay | LinusN, we don't have any kind of lcd_putsxy_scroll, do we? |
| 07:51:09 | LinusN | no |
| 07:51:23 | LinusN | that's because the scrolling function is line-based |
| 07:51:35 | midkay | hmmmm... |
| 07:51:43 | midkay | that actually gives me an idea.. |
| 07:51:48 | LinusN | and it can only scroll an entire line |
| 07:52:45 | midkay | LinusN, ah. hm. alright. well, i just thought of a workaround.. check the string length, if it's less than LCD_WIDTH we can center it, or if it's larger we can puts_scroll at (0, x) since we want it to start at the beginning of the line anyways. |
| 07:54:12 | LinusN | i don't get it |
| 07:55:28 | midkay | LinusN, if we want a string to be centered when it fits on the LCD but to scroll when it's longer, we can simply test the length of it and center it if it's less than the width of the LCD, or puts_scroll it at, e.g., (0, 0) if its length is wider than the LCD.. |
| 07:56:06 | LinusN | how do we do it today? |
| 07:56:12 | midkay | we don't ;) |
| 07:56:23 | midkay | just an idea for improving the quick screens i apparently uglified.. hmm.. |
| 07:56:28 | LinusN | ahaaaa |
| 07:56:44 | LinusN | yes, i think they are a tad more confusing now |
| 07:56:51 | midkay | also.. isn't there a way to set scrolling.. margins? |
| 07:56:55 | LinusN | no |
| 07:57:09 | midkay | hm... |
| 07:57:15 | LinusN | this is part of the "viewport" concept we're discussing |
| 07:57:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a scrolling margins patch in the tracker, but I'd understood it wasn't really being looked at since it's a stopgap, and viewports would be preferred. |
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| 07:59:29 | midkay | ah.. hm. that reminds me, i had an idea that's probably been considered before, relating to context menus.. having them user definable and read from a file like viewers.config for the open with menu, where we have maybe ten different options that can be in the file (playlist_viewer, open_with....) and the user can add/remove/reorder them however they want and the menus draw themselves based on the file.. |
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| 08:00:46 | LinusN | yes, configurable menus is an old dream |
| 08:00:59 | midkay | LinusN, rejected or just not done? |
| 08:01:10 | LinusN | both, sort of |
| 08:01:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think at least the quick menu could really benefit from configuration. |
| 08:01:27 | midkay | i was thinking mostly just like the hold-play context menu.. |
| 08:01:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as everyone (among the users) seems to have a different opinion on what should be in it. |
| 08:01:49 | midkay | i.e. during playing a song.. some people may want "playlist viewer" first.. or equalizer.. |
| 08:01:59 | LinusN | configurable menus open up a can of worms we really want to keep shut |
| 08:02:24 | midkay | which can and why? :) |
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| 08:04:06 | LinusN | the "bloated code" can, and the "support nightmare" can |
| 08:04:18 | midkay | haha :) |
| 08:04:26 | K-B | hi! |
| 08:04:30 | LinusN | hi there |
| 08:04:49 | midkay | LinusN, it sounds to me basically like a really simplified version of the WPS code for example.. |
| 08:05:28 | LinusN | yes it's simple in theory |
| 08:06:31 | LinusN | 1) it requires code and data to parse the file and display the menu |
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| 08:07:05 | LinusN | 2) it can cause incompatibility problems when we change/add functions to the menu |
| 08:07:14 | LinusN | 3) it is impossible to translate |
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| 08:07:54 | LinusN | 4) it is a nightmare to handle the support questions on how to configure/restore the menu |
| 08:08:15 | LinusN | 5) it is equally hard to voice |
| 08:08:29 | LinusN | to name a few :-) |
| 08:08:55 | midkay | LinusN, if you just have a menu exactly as we have it now but let the user specify what is hidden and what is not, isn't that basically the same as it is, just with a few options off? (just guessing) |
| 08:09:22 | LinusN | how would you specify which items to show? |
| 08:10:06 | midkay | i don't know the voice code or anything at all.. but if there were translations for everything that could possibly be displayed in the menu, and let the user set up his or her file for the menu display (on seperate lines, ie playlist_viewer\n delete\n ..).. load that file on boot.. |
| 08:14:11 | LinusN | so the file would be incompatible if you change language or change the translation? |
| 08:14:25 | midkay | hm, no.. |
| 08:14:40 | midkay | rockbox would read playlist_viewer to mean "display the playlist viewer in the appropriate translation".. |
| 08:14:46 | LinusN | ok, a table with keywords? |
| 08:14:49 | midkay | you could even simply change it to wpslike tags.. :) |
| 08:15:08 | midkay | LinusN, what do you mean? |
| 08:15:46 | LinusN | rockbox needs to know that function to call when the file contains "playlist_viewer" |
| 08:16:08 | LinusN | so it must have a table or something to map keywords to functions |
| 08:16:17 | midkay | right, a table would work.. many possibilities. the same way you do in the WPS when you see "%pv" and know that you need to display the volume. |
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| 08:17:02 | LinusN | sounds very simular to c0uttas "action"-concept |
| 08:17:14 | midkay | it very well could be :) |
| 08:17:22 | LinusN | which actually is semi-implemented in rockbox already |
| 08:17:40 | midkay | hm? |
| 08:18:02 | LinusN | well, not even "semi" |
| 08:18:18 | midkay | quasi? demi? :) |
| 08:18:30 | K-B | can anybody give me a hand with patching? |
| 08:18:34 | LinusN | i started to incorporate his idea, but i was sidetracked as usual |
| 08:18:55 | LinusN | K-B: have you installed the development tools? |
| 08:19:00 | midkay | LinusN, does that kind of configurable context menu interest you or is looking into it a waste of time? |
| 08:19:01 | K-B | patch.exe |
| 08:19:07 | Slasheri | well, soon we will need some kind of html engine to render the wps :) |
| 08:19:22 | LinusN | midkay: if you ask *me*, it's a waste |
| 08:19:33 | LinusN | /kick Slasheri |
| 08:19:46 | midkay | LinusN, i haven't checked out the ui discussion or anything so i don't really know what's planned.. |
| 08:19:49 | Slasheri | ;) |
| 08:20:04 | midkay | LinusN, by the way, did you see the patch posted by safetydan related to the WPS token handling or something? |
| 08:20:11 | LinusN | midkay: there are no plans |
| 08:20:23 | LinusN | midkay: i saw an update in the tracker |
| 08:20:26 | midkay | LinusN, ah, just a waste of time in general then :) |
| 08:20:35 | midkay | yes, that. "new WPS parser". |
| 08:20:37 | LinusN | midkay: i'm not the only dev here |
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| 08:20:51 | midkay | LinusN, no way! ;) |
| 08:21:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | K-B: Do you have Cygwin and a full copy of the source installed? |
| 08:21:43 | K-B | cygwin ? mmm |
| 08:21:52 | K-B | i will check myself |
| 08:22:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | K-B: You would know, since you'd have to run it to do anything. I take it you've not gone through the process of setting up a development environment? |
| 08:22:54 | BHSPitLappy | forst you wreck yo' self! |
| 08:22:57 | midkay | LinusN, i was just wondering if you'd seen it. i went looking to add a new WPS tag a while ago and the reading/drawing code made such little sense.. this looks veryvery expandable.. but i'm not sure how it would/does fit into rockbox as it is. |
| 08:24:08 | K-B | paul: gnuwin32 ? |
| 08:24:38 | LinusN | K-B: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
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| 08:26:39 | qwm | var bor du LinusN |
| 08:27:01 | LinusN | Haninge, Stockholm |
| 08:28:10 | qwm | hehe. |
| 08:29:23 | _ironi_ | morrn |
| 08:29:31 | _ironi_ | i mean good morning |
| 08:30:07 | qwm | mhm. |
| 08:34:13 | LinusN | qwm: why is haninge a "hehe"? :-) |
| 08:35:19 | K-B | ok i got the cygwin now :) and .. ? |
| 08:35:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | K-B: You've set it up as the instructions at the wiki CygwinDevelopment page said? |
| 08:36:14 | _ironi_ | LinusN: do you support haninge wildcats |
| 08:36:33 | _ironi_ | LinusN: haninge's own cheerleader team |
| 08:37:28 | qwm | LinusN: just a generic response. all i know about haninge is that nationaldemokraterna has two seats in its municipal council. :> |
| 08:37:35 | K-B | ok 10x i follow the instructions and if i will have problems i willl gte back |
| 08:37:37 | LinusN | in fact, i worked a lot with the Aktiv Ungdom cheerleaders a few years ago |
| 08:38:34 | _ironi_ | LinusN: o rly? |
| 08:38:42 | LinusN | not as much with the actual cheerleading, but with the Aktiv Ungdom organisation |
| 08:38:43 | _ironi_ | :) |
| 08:38:51 | _ironi_ | thats a good thing |
| 08:39:37 | LinusN | K-B: good luck |
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| 08:45:41 | K-B | ok out of luck |
| 08:46:39 | K-B | now how can i patch the chessbox003.patch ? |
| 08:46:58 | midkay | patch < chessbox003.patch |
| 08:47:10 | K-B | thats all ? |
| 08:47:18 | midkay | it'll prompt you for some files.. |
| 08:47:56 | midkay | you need to tell it where they are in relation to the directory you're currently in (ie apps/plugins/chessbox.c), or give it the full path (C:\cygwin\home\myname\rockbox\apps\plugins\chessbox.c) |
| 08:48:06 | midkay | something like that. |
| 08:50:16 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 08:51:12 | K-B | can't find file to patch at input line 8 |
| 08:51:12 | K-B | Perhaps you should have used the -p or −−strip option? |
| 08:51:12 | K-B | The text leading up to this was: |
| 08:51:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK K-B |
| 08:51:12 | K-B | −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− |
| 08:51:12 | K-B | |Index: apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c |
| 08:51:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 08:51:13 | K-B | |=================================================================== |
| 08:51:15 | K-B | |RCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c,v |
| 08:51:17 | K-B | |retrieving revision 1.7 |
| 08:51:19 | K-B | |diff -u -r1.7 chessbox.c |
| 08:51:21 | K-B | |−−- apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c 3 Mar 2006 15:01:37 -0000 1.7 |
| 08:51:23 | K-B | |+++ apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c 7 Mar 2006 23:45:52 -0000 |
| 08:51:25 | K-B | −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− |
| 08:51:27 | K-B | ??? |
| 08:51:29 | K-B | what that means ? |
| 08:51:46 | midkay | you need to patch the chessbox.c file. |
| 08:51:54 | K-B | where is it? |
| 08:52:15 | midkay | tell it where that file is in relation to where you are at the moment, or give the full path (like i gave an example of earlier). |
| 08:52:16 | Bg3r | K-B did you get a cvs working copy ? |
| 08:52:50 | K-B | what? sorry - im very very new here |
| 08:53:48 | K-B | where chessbox.c supposed to be - on my iriver ?!?! |
| 08:54:37 | LinusN | K-B: chessbos.c is not on your iriver |
| 08:54:58 | LinusN | you need to download the source code |
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| 08:55:17 | K-B | ok and put it where? |
| 08:55:38 | LinusN | somewhere in your cygwin home directory |
| 08:55:50 | LinusN | K-B: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
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| 08:56:05 | LinusN | or even this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 08:56:13 | K-B | ok ill check it out |
| 08:56:16 | K-B | 10x |
| 08:56:36 | | Part nave7693 |
| 08:57:26 | qwm | K-B: do you realize how stupid "10x" looks? |
| 08:58:07 | K-B | ok so just for you i will type thanks |
| 08:58:49 | qwm | thank you so much. |
| 08:59:03 | K-B | u happy im happy |
| 08:59:26 | Bg3r | qwn do you realise how stupid your notes look ? |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:14 | qwm | do you realize you just spelled realize WRONG?! |
| 09:00:48 | Bg3r | and do you realiZe that this channel is not about the correct English spelling ? |
| 09:01:04 | qwm | yes, i do realize that! |
| 09:01:07 | K-B | qwm u have good eyes your family probably very proud of u |
| 09:01:14 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 09:01:42 | qwm | actually, i'm near-sighted and wearing glasses as we speak. |
| 09:01:50 | Bg3r | qwm then just shut up if you don't have anything worthy to say |
| 09:02:03 | BHSPitLappy | lol |
| 09:02:10 | K-B | i guess they r proud of u with ur glasses too |
| 09:02:34 | midkay | LinusN, btw, why does printing at puts(0, 0) in the quickscreen seem to offset it by one on the x-axis? |
| 09:02:48 | qwm | ;) |
| 09:02:53 | midkay | and can i puts(-1) to get it to seriously align itself to the left of the LCD? |
| 09:03:04 | LinusN | midkay: lcd margins? |
| 09:03:52 | midkay | LinusN, wait, so if i set some LCD margins to stop at 8 pixels from the far right.. text would be cut off of the last 8 pixels? |
| 09:04:01 | LinusN | lcd_setmargins(int xmargin, int ymargin); |
| 09:04:19 | LinusN | midkay: again, the viewport concept isn't yet implemented |
| 09:04:27 | midkay | LinusN, whatever that means.. |
| 09:04:41 | LinusN | it means that we can only set a top and left margin |
| 09:04:44 | LinusN | today |
| 09:04:52 | midkay | LinusN, ah. DRAT! ;) |
| 09:04:57 | midkay | hm. |
| 09:04:59 | midkay | alright. thansk. |
| 09:05:06 | LinusN | the viewport concept will allow us to set a viewport with clipping |
| 09:05:14 | midkay | LinusN, sounds good |
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| 09:06:03 | midkay | LinusN, one other thing - there's no "global" margin setting for any time is there? .. it seems to be (1, 0) when i go into the quickscreen, i need to set it back to specifically that when i leave it, or is there a global variable i can set it to: |
| 09:06:17 | midkay | -:+? |
| 09:06:36 | K-B | another question please - _RockBox.bat ? |
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| 09:06:56 | LinusN | K-B: huh? |
| 09:07:12 | K-B | download thet dailybuilds |
| 09:07:24 | K-B | the manual tell me to run _rocbox.bat |
| 09:07:34 | LinusN | forget that |
| 09:07:35 | B4gder | what manual? |
| 09:08:09 | K-B | wait wait |
| 09:08:13 | K-B | maybe can handle myself |
| 09:09:17 | LinusN | K-B: the SimpleGuideToCompiling is based on the "DevKit" by BlueChip |
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| 09:09:42 | LinusN | sort of "unofficial" stuff |
| 09:09:45 | Bg3r | K-B better look at UsingCVS WorkingWithPatches ... |
| 09:10:03 | Bg3r | (topics in the rockbox's wiki) |
| 09:11:15 | midkay | LinusN, setmargins is in pixels right? |
| 09:11:37 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:13:12 | midkay | in french, when you want to say 'yes', you say 'ouioui'. |
| 09:15:01 | petur | I always thought is was <ouwè> :) |
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| 09:15:40 | midkay | petur, another spelling is "awhuei-whuei". ;) |
| 09:16:10 | tris203 | so, wat is rock box? |
| 09:16:19 | midkay | haha. |
| 09:16:27 | B4gder | you mean ro ck bo x ? |
| 09:16:33 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 09:16:33 | * | petur points to rockbox.org wiki |
| 09:16:48 | * | midkay points to rockbox.org |
| 09:16:55 | * | B4gder points at random directions |
| 09:16:58 | tris203 | yeah, that site is pretty poorly written, i mean wat does it do? |
| 09:17:10 | B4gder | did you read the first few lines? |
| 09:17:13 | tris203 | yes |
| 09:17:17 | B4gder | then you know |
| 09:17:30 | * | qwm points at Bg3r's rear orifice |
| 09:17:45 | B4gder | rockbox is a portable music player firmware replcaement |
| 09:17:51 | tris203 | but wats rong with the original firmware? |
| 09:18:00 | B4gder | there's not a single good original firmware |
| 09:18:01 | midkay | tris203, if you think nothing, feel free to not-use rockbox.. |
| 09:18:16 | * | petur notices more poorly written stuff ;D |
| 09:18:17 | tris203 | no im seeing if i can be converted |
| 09:18:37 | B4gder | tris203: what model do you have? |
| 09:18:45 | tris203 | ipod |
| 09:18:48 | midkay | tris203, ah, you're under the impression that we want you to use it and we'll go to great lengths not to lose a user like yourself. ;) |
| 09:18:49 | tris203 | nano, and mini |
| 09:19:23 | B4gder | tris203: vorbis, flac and gapless are features mentioned that the ipod original doesn't do |
| 09:19:36 | Bg3r | qwm u rate your last note as valuable, yep ? |
| 09:19:41 | tris203 | no, im jst seeing wat ads and disads there are between this, ipod-linux, and the original firmware |
| 09:19:48 | tris203 | gapless? |
| 09:19:50 | qwm | Bg3r: no, utterly worthless. |
| 09:20:07 | B4gder | tris203: yes, playing songs without gaps in between |
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| 09:20:10 | midkay | tris203, check the documentation section's "feature comparison chart". |
| 09:22:13 | tris203 | yeah, it looks good, wat format does the video playback use? |
| 09:22:24 | Bg3r | qwm: or maybe you don't have anything more interesting to do than to scratch your fingers and nag at other people... |
| 09:22:56 | B4gder | tris203: rockbox doesn't have video playback yet (on non-Archos models) |
| 09:23:06 | qwm | Bg3r: calm down please. |
| 09:23:08 | tris203 | oh :o |
| 09:23:13 | B4gder | people tend to run original firmware for video |
| 09:23:24 | B4gder | tris203: you can always dual-boot the original and Rockbox |
| 09:24:00 | Bg3r | qwm the problem is that this is not your first silly nag ... |
| 09:24:01 | tris203 | how much space does the rockbox software tak up? |
| 09:24:43 | B4gder | a couple of megabytes, I don't know exactly how many |
| 09:24:58 | qwm | Bg3r: feel free to punish me in any way you see fit, if you think i deserve it. |
| 09:25:21 | tris203 | klkl |
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| 09:43:05 | LinusN | qwm: well, we are not particularly amused by such comments, maybe it's an age thing... |
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| 09:45:28 | Bg3r | in fact, imho, i don't think that anyone would be amused if you attack him without any reason... |
| 09:45:56 | B4gder | ah, drop that now |
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| 09:47:11 | B4gder | you reading java code? B-] |
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| 09:47:37 | petur | MFC? |
| 09:47:46 | safetydan | Web services? |
| 09:48:01 | amiconn | B4gder: No, I was reading the log |
| 09:48:25 | * | amiconn stays away from java |
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| 10:28:47 | tucoz | Hello. What should we call the players (in general) in the manual. Jukebox or Player or..? |
| 10:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | ARe you referring to the player model archoses, or units in general? |
| 10:29:53 | tucoz | the latter |
| 10:29:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | DAP? |
| 10:30:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Clarify it as Digital Audio Player the first time, then use that, would be my suggestion. "Player" and "Jukebox" often get confused with the Archos models sharing those words in their name. |
| 10:31:03 | tucoz | Yes, you are right about that. |
| 10:31:36 | LinusN | yes, the "Jukebox" comes from back when rockbox was archos-only |
| 10:32:26 | Mikachu | does the box in rockbox come from jukebox? |
| 10:33:24 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:33:31 | tucoz | Should we go for DAP or use a macro that will call the DAP with it's name? "...to the \playername..." will be "...to the ipod.." "...to the iriver.." etc? |
| 10:33:59 | linuxstb | The word "device" is vague enough to cover all the targets. I also don't think people will be confused with "player" - the context is a manual specific to their DAP. But most targets can also record... |
| 10:34:10 | Zagor | tucoz: I would think calling it "player" is general enough to be good. |
| 10:34:49 | tucoz | Ok. I call it player with a lowercase 'p' then. |
| 10:35:03 | linuxstb | Even in the recording section of the manual? :) |
| 10:35:07 | Mikachu | i think DAP is used somewhere else in the manual |
| 10:35:32 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/getting_started/main.tex.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5 |
| 10:35:47 | tucoz | Mikachu, I know. But, the manual is not really finished |
| 10:35:54 | Mikachu | okay |
| 10:35:56 | Zagor | linuxstb: I think so, yes. "DAP" is much to acronymish to be used in a manual imho. |
| 10:36:05 | linuxstb | Yes, I don't like DAP either. |
| 10:36:17 | tucoz | And I haven't thought so much about this issue until now |
| 10:36:55 | LinusN | "player" gets my vote |
| 10:37:20 | linuxstb | I would vote for a macro with a target specific name - such as "iPod", "iriver", "Jukebox", "Player" |
| 10:37:46 | LinusN | that would of course be optimal imho |
| 10:38:05 | tucoz | Allright, a macro it is then. |
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| 10:38:56 | nudel | it is *so* good being able to simply copy music files over using my file manager |
| 10:39:01 | nudel | there's no going back |
| 10:39:08 | linuxstb | The macro could be \dap - to keep it short and more readable - e.g. "copy the files to your \dap" |
| 10:39:25 | LinusN | when i view the manual pdf, the chapter links in the toc are surrounded with red borders |
| 10:39:29 | tucoz | linuxstb, nice. I was just thinking of a name. Thanks |
| 10:39:30 | linuxstb | "copy the files to your \playername" isn't readable. |
| 10:39:31 | LinusN | (acroreader) |
| 10:39:45 | tucoz | LinusN, I have no idea why those are there |
| 10:39:53 | tucoz | (I see them as well) |
| 10:40:02 | LinusN | is it an acroreader thing? |
| 10:40:11 | tucoz | maybe some option is set when generating the pdf |
| 10:40:21 | linuxstb | Yes, it's an option when generating the pdf IIRC. |
| 10:40:30 | LinusN | it's very ugly imho |
| 10:40:33 | tucoz | I think we want to get rid of those |
| 10:40:41 | linuxstb | Well, maybe not an option, but it's something added by the PDF generator. |
| 10:41:00 | Zagor | won't a macro be pretty annoying to read. methinks the word is used all over the place. always referring to "the iriver" everywhere feels robotic in my mind. |
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| 10:41:29 | Mikachu | not more annoying than "the player"? |
| 10:41:43 | Mikachu | i think the people who write the manual can substitute "it" when appropriate |
| 10:42:24 | Zagor | I think repeated use of "player" will look much more natural than excessive use of "<model>" |
| 10:42:36 | LinusN | i think that macro should be the preferred short form for the target in question, like "H300" for the h300 and so on |
| 10:42:42 | Slasheri | the hyperlinks are by default surrounded by some color. But only when viewing on screen |
| 10:42:50 | Slasheri | print should be always clear |
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| 10:43:47 | tucoz | Slasheri, but the acroreader 'reading' is not very pleasant with all those coloured boxes |
| 10:44:02 | Slasheri | ah, hmm |
| 10:44:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I agree that calling it by a proper name too frequently would lead to it sounding unnatural, but probably should be done at least on the first mention of the device per chapter. |
| 10:44:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Another thing, for iPods specifically, do you want to call it "the iPod" or just "iPod" like Apple does. |
| 10:44:50 | LinusN | saw this on a web page: "use the colorlinks option to the hyperref package - it highlights the links by changing colour rather than putting an ugly red box round them (which is the default)" |
| 10:45:06 | tucoz | Ok, in my opinion 'player' is the best. Target specific mention will probably sound too 'law-termish' |
| 10:45:17 | linuxstb | I would write "your iPod", but that depends on the style the manual is written in. |
| 10:45:44 | LinusN | so "player" it is then? |
| 10:46:19 | * | linuxstb wonders why moving a frequently used array _into_ IRAM slows down pacbox on the ipod... |
| 10:46:30 | tucoz | imho, yes. But, I could add a \dap macro to the platform files and simply write player for that macro for now. |
| 10:46:55 | tucoz | if we want another name it's an easy change in the platform-files |
| 10:46:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: I was actually going to suggest that, just in case it's decided to call it something else later. |
| 10:47:03 | linuxstb | I would say have both - use \dap in some places, and "player" in others - just for variety. |
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| 10:48:06 | tucoz | hehe |
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| 10:54:33 | linuxstb | tucoz: I've noticed with the recent manual commits, that there are not always Nano-sized (176x132x16) images and are never 5g-sized (320x240x16) images. So these manuals don't build. |
| 10:54:39 | Bg3r | offt: is there a way to make firefox's find to work with regex ? |
| 10:55:30 | tucoz | linuxstb, the manuals will probably build. But, the plugins (for instance) are not included for nano in that case. |
| 10:55:52 | tucoz | I don't know about the 5g. No platform file is defined for that. |
| 10:56:38 | linuxstb | I could easily commit a platform file for the 5g - it's seems that it's being left behind if the images are not all created at the same time. |
| 10:56:51 | linuxstb | And no, the Nano manual doesn't build due to missing images. |
| 10:57:59 | tucoz | linuxstb. ok. Well, I am fixing the 2.4 docs to not be target specific and having to start 5 different simulators for each screenshot is simply too demanding for me. |
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| 10:58:55 | tucoz | But, as long as the framework is in place, screenshots to e.g. is added by defining a \genericimg in the platform file and submitting the screenshot |
| 10:59:02 | LinusN | i just committed a fix for the ugly links |
| 10:59:03 | tucoz | *e.g. 5g |
| 10:59:08 | tucoz | LinusN, mice |
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| 10:59:11 | tucoz | hehe, nice |
| 10:59:16 | LinusN | nice mice |
| 10:59:42 | linuxstb | tucoz: OK, I'll commit the platform file for the 5g and try to find some time for screenshots. |
| 10:59:59 | tucoz | good :) |
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| 11:00:26 | tucoz | I am not sure if it needs to be added other places as well. Maybe in the preamble |
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| 11:04:08 | muesli__ | amiconn is there a non-mapped button in the jpeg-viewer? |
| 11:05:20 | tucoz | linuxstb, what do you think of this for the platform file http://pastebin.ca/45629 |
| 11:05:27 | tucoz | that is for the h1xx |
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| 11:06:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Select should be called NAVI, shouldn't it? |
| 11:06:27 | VoltageX | is rockboy gonna get any faster with updates? |
| 11:06:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | And Mode is A-B? |
| 11:06:39 | VoltageX | some games are playable, others aren't |
| 11:06:46 | VoltageX | most gbc games can't be played |
| 11:06:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: It all depends on if someone picks it up and works on it. |
| 11:06:58 | B4gder | VoltageX: feel free to fix |
| 11:07:09 | VoltageX | no one's working on it? |
| 11:07:17 | B4gder | no |
| 11:07:26 | VoltageX | and I don't have the knowledge to fix it. |
| 11:07:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Well, there are many books in the world. |
| 11:07:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | ;) |
| 11:07:58 | VoltageX | assembler + C takes a while to learn |
| 11:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Also, On is Play/Pause, and Off is Stop. |
| 11:08:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Well, the options are "wait until someone picks it up" or "do it yourself" :) |
| 11:08:35 | linuxstb | tucoz: I was thinking the same thing. You could also define \config_pad{iriver_h100_pad} - the same way as the Rockbox source does it. |
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| 11:09:00 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, ah you're right. The buttons names should be the same as the picture of the player names them |
| 11:09:08 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: this sounds like a big incentive to learn C |
| 11:09:16 | tucoz | linuxstb, I am not sure how to do that |
| 11:09:17 | linuxstb | For example, the iPod 4g, 4g Color, Nano and 5g all have \config_pad{ipod_4g_pad} - and they have identical button mappings throughout Rockbox. |
| 11:09:44 | linuxstb | tucoz: Just add that line to the platform.tex file, and use it instead of platform name when displaying different button mappings. |
| 11:10:24 | tucoz | hmm... do you think you could add that for the ipods (as an example)? |
| 11:10:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: People have come by and made occasional optimizations to it, but honestly I understand a lot of what needs to be done needs to be done by someone who specifically understands gameboy emulators. =/ |
| 11:10:51 | VoltageX | talk to the VisualBoyAdvance team. |
| 11:11:00 | B4gder | VoltageX: yes do that |
| 11:11:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Feel free to send 'em an email. |
| 11:11:10 | VoltageX | B4gder: I'm on it |
| 11:12:02 | B4gder | just keep in mind that we use a modified gnuboy, and only people who actually use Rockbox will have any motivation to work on rockboy |
| 11:12:31 | Mikachu | and people who want to play gameboy games in the rockbox sims |
| 11:12:41 | B4gder | hehe |
| 11:12:53 | B4gder | yes, I forgot that huge crowd |
| 11:12:54 | linuxstb | tucoz: Sorry, I think you will want \def\UseOption{ipod_4g_pad} in the platform.tex file, so instead of "\opt{ipodcolor,ipodnano}{SELECT}" you would have "\opt{ipod_4g_pad}{SELECT}" |
| 11:13:04 | VoltageX | well then I really must learn C |
| 11:13:25 | tucoz | ok |
| 11:15:10 | amiconn | tucoz: I wouldn't use player, for 2 reasons: (1) Most targets can also record. (2) Many rockboxers associate it with 'archos player' |
| 11:15:20 | amiconn | I'd use either jukebox, or DAP |
| 11:15:50 | tucoz | amiconn, jukebox would be confused with the archos jukebox (same as (2)) |
| 11:16:16 | amiconn | jukebox on its own won't, imho |
| 11:16:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree, but only for reason 1). |
| 11:16:38 | Mikachu | do current rockboxers even read the manual? |
| 11:16:51 | B4gder | current newcomers do |
| 11:16:56 | B4gder | occationally |
| 11:17:08 | Mikachu | that was in reference to (2) |
| 11:17:20 | B4gder | ah |
| 11:17:24 | Mikachu | sorry |
| 11:17:45 | tucoz | Mikachu, well, an up-to-date manual could be used for reference |
| 11:18:08 | tucoz | especially if it's 'complete' and looks nice ;-) |
| 11:18:44 | B4gder | one of these days I'll setup daily manual builds |
| 11:18:50 | VoltageX | what if i thre large amounts of money at the rockbox project? |
| 11:19:05 | Mikachu | then there would be lots of beer at the devcon |
| 11:19:14 | B4gder | yay! |
| 11:19:19 | petur | try throwing large amounts of time ;) |
| 11:19:39 | Mikachu | VoltageX: or, throw large amounts of money at nintendo and buy a gameboy |
| 11:19:47 | B4gder | hehe |
| 11:20:00 | B4gder | that would be a lot cheaper than buying development time |
| 11:20:14 | * | linuxstb needs to stop carrying two ipods around - one for music, one for pacbox.... |
| 11:20:34 | tucoz | and I wouldn't expect a gameboy to cost "large amounts of money" these days |
| 11:20:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, a gameboy color is what, $15 US? |
| 11:21:04 | linuxstb | Port Rockbox to one... |
| 11:21:07 | tucoz | hehe |
| 11:21:11 | Mikachu | are there flash carts for those? |
| 11:21:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Actually, I think the Nintendo DS would be an excellent Rockbox target. :-P |
| 11:21:33 | tucoz | and play rockboy on a gameboy |
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| 11:21:43 | linuxstb | At about 5% realtime... |
| 11:21:58 | Mikachu | i think the largest cart for gba is 64MB and it has a 16mhz arm cpu |
| 11:22:14 | Mikachu | so gbc would be less than that |
| 11:22:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the DS plays GBA games, but doesn't accept GBC / GB carts. |
| 11:22:18 | amiconn | B4gder: Regarding cvs builds - I noticed that while we have cvs bootloader builds for iriver and iPod, we don't have cvs bootloader (bootbox) builds for archos... |
| 11:22:25 | coob | gba has some gfx hardware as well tho i thought? |
| 11:22:28 | Mikachu | yeah, they dropped the gbc cpu |
| 11:22:30 | VoltageX | hmm I might just get a GBA + flashcard |
| 11:22:37 | Mikachu | there is a gb (not c) emu for gba |
| 11:22:42 | B4gder | amiconn: but they're not built the same way, are they? |
| 11:22:46 | Mikachu | but you can get a bridge to play them natively |
| 11:22:59 | coob | hm the ds should be able to emulate the gb/gbc |
| 11:23:09 | VoltageX | well... if rockboy can't do gbc games at a decent framerate it couldn't do gba |
| 11:23:32 | coob | VoltageX: it could on arm |
| 11:23:39 | Mikachu | coob: yeah, it has lots of crazy things |
| 11:23:44 | coob | seeing as you'd have native instructions |
| 11:23:49 | coob | you could virtualise |
| 11:24:00 | VoltageX | ah yeah |
| 11:24:20 | VoltageX | i just woulda throught at 124mhz the iRiver would have enough power to do gb games. |
| 11:24:32 | tucoz | linuxstb, I think I'll have to fix those platform files later on. Unless someone else wants to do it. |
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| 11:24:39 | Mikachu | my 2ghz amd struggles a bit with gba games |
| 11:25:06 | coob | thats the fault of the emulator then :) |
| 11:25:16 | linuxstb | tucoz: I'm happy to give it a go - assuming that the principle of using a set of macros which mirror the #defines in the Rockbox source is OK with you. |
| 11:25:17 | marevalo | hi, any commiter? |
| 11:25:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: It probably would if the emulator were optimized. |
| 11:25:38 | marevalo | is there any problem with my latest chessbox patch? |
| 11:25:52 | marevalo | http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4798 |
| 11:26:03 | tucoz | linuxstb, those defines have proven to work fine in the source, and I would expect them to work fine in the manual as well. So I totally agree with you. |
| 11:26:16 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: it'll probably be a year before I approach the knowledge to touch the rockboy source, but I'm seriously going to start learning |
| 11:27:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: I'm sure a lot of people would be happy if you did. You might also want to check out the original program, Gnuboy, that it was ported from, and learn about how it works in the original source, in case that's helpful |
| 11:27:01 | VoltageX | right now though, I'm trying out the new Nintendo DS emulator |
| 11:27:04 | amiconn | B4gder: Archos bootbox is built when you select an archos target and then (B)ootloader, i.e. the same way as the iriver/iPod bootloaders |
| 11:27:48 | B4gder | ok |
| 11:27:53 | tucoz | bye |
| 11:27:55 | VoltageX | wow the last time gnuboy was updated was at the end of '01 |
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| 11:28:39 | Mikachu | actually the last commit was 2 weeks ago |
| 11:28:46 | VoltageX | assembler is seriously scary. |
| 11:28:48 | Mikachu | here's one from 11 days |
| 11:29:10 | Mikachu | oh wait, i thought you said rockboy |
| 11:29:11 | Mikachu | never mind |
| 11:29:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, does Gnuboy CE have optimizations that might be helpful? |
| 11:29:38 | VoltageX | can I update the rockboy on my player with the latest one? |
| 11:29:42 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if there might be arm-opts lurking in various PDA / PocketPC versions of Gnuboy |
| 11:30:14 | VoltageX | ok there's no way I can learn asm in a year. |
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| 11:30:19 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: There's a whole assembler z80 core in iBoy... |
| 11:31:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: iBoy is iPL's GB emu? |
| 11:31:43 | linuxstb | Yes - it's the IPL port of gnuboy |
| 11:32:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmmm.... |
| 11:33:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | This says to me, it says "It is time for them to share some more code with us." This is what it says to me. But first, I need to get less lazy, and get the screen to display on my Nano, so I can actually *test* anything I manage to achieve. |
| 11:33:43 | JdGordon | hey all |
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| 11:34:04 | JdGordon | did any1 try out the colinux image i put on the ml? |
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| 11:34:11 | JdGordon | amiconn: did u do the build test? |
| 11:34:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I actually tried tackling the rockboy-on-nano thing briefly once, but ended up with a less working version than I had before. :) |
| 11:35:42 | VoltageX | I'm glad I stirred up some interest in RockBoy |
| 11:36:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: I've always been interested in it. Just not *really* interested, because I own about every generation of the Gameboy other than the GBA Micro. :) |
| 11:38:37 | markun | marevalo: didn't try it yet |
| 11:38:49 | markun | marevalo: are you working on the menu driven version? |
| 11:39:09 | petur | JdGordon: I have a colinux problem: I can't get it to access any dns server. I can ping ip addresses, not names :( |
| 11:39:50 | amiconn | JdGordon: I did not yet finish the tests. |
| 11:39:59 | marevalo | markin: not yet |
| 11:40:05 | amiconn | Rebuilding sh-elf-gcc on cygwin took nearly forever, |
| 11:40:25 | amiconn | and now my home machine is acting up and I can't reach it via rdp |
| 11:40:26 | marevalo | markin: I was waiting for that patch to be commited, I'm not quite skilled in cvs and it also give me some break |
| 11:40:38 | JdGordon | petur: im gonna try, i rekon its a linux thing, not a colinux thing tho... |
| 11:40:44 | JdGordon | ok amiconn, no rush |
| 11:41:09 | marevalo | markin: I want to get a full strengh version but usable version of chessbox before extending it |
| 11:41:33 | markun | marevalo: I have to go now but could take a look tonight |
| 11:41:40 | JdGordon | petur: ye, i cant ping by name either |
| 11:41:49 | marevalo | markin: you can check my plans on: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginChessbox |
| 11:41:56 | linuxstb | petur: You just need to edit the /etc/resolv.conf file to get DNS working. |
| 11:41:58 | JdGordon | wgett has no problem with name, just ping.. |
| 11:42:11 | petur | linuxstb: I did |
| 11:42:26 | marevalo | markun: ok, just wanted to know if there was any problem as I don't visit the IRC too much |
| 11:42:50 | marevalo | markun: thanks |
| 11:43:32 | petur | JdGordon: so maybe I better try your colinux environment, as you probably downloaded all the tools and stuff already... |
| 11:43:44 | markun | marevalo: it's faster to ask here than only submitting the patch |
| 11:43:48 | JdGordon | its all setup and ready to go.. |
| 11:44:22 | JdGordon | petur: check the dev mailing list.. |
| 11:45:21 | JdGordon | linuxstb: can i add my router as a nameserver? or should i use my isp's dns server? |
| 11:45:48 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It depends on your router. Your router would need a dns server for that to work. |
| 11:45:53 | marevalo | markus: ok, I'll keep that in mind with future patches |
| 11:46:05 | JdGordon | they dont pass the request on? |
| 11:46:24 | linuxstb | Yes - if they have a built-in dns server. |
| 11:46:33 | JdGordon | my box has the router as its dns server.. so i guess it will work |
| 11:47:09 | JdGordon | yay, it worked :d |
| 11:47:13 | petur | JdGordon: will try tonight or rather tomorrow night - bloody filled agenda :( |
| 11:49:37 | safetydan | Speaking of patches, is my attempt at a new WPS parser crap or not? :) |
| 11:50:10 | amiconn | B4gder: Doing 1 or 2 bootbox builds might be desirable, to detect whether code changes influence bootbox |
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| 11:54:54 | JdGordon | grr... no wonder swap isnt being used :p its not mounted... |
| 11:55:01 | LinusN | hmm, looks like we need a new name for bejeweled, since it is a registered trademark |
| 11:55:21 | LinusN | suggestions? |
| 11:55:35 | JdGordon | rock-jewled? |
| 11:55:36 | t0mas | LOL |
| 11:55:47 | LinusN | Zagor suggested "Berocked" :-) |
| 11:55:51 | t0mas | Bagder: " |
| 11:55:52 | t0mas | Yes. We're also all not only the real people behind the JFK murder, we also carry around the evidence proving that there never was a moon landing." "Garbage in. Garbage out." |
| 11:57:16 | * | t0mas goes to search for moon pictures on his iriver |
| 11:57:28 | petur | imho, they _are_ liars: claiming to sign off but still posting every day... |
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| 11:58:06 | t0mas | ghehe, on some way they are... |
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| 12:01:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: Jewels also works, probably. |
| 12:01:30 | linuxstb | LinusN: Berocked is perfect. One definition of "rock" is "jewel". |
| 12:01:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I do kinda like Berocked, even if it sounds a little awkward. :) |
| 12:02:24 | LinusN | i think "jewels" sounds better |
| 12:02:52 | linuxstb | It does. |
| 12:04:24 | Mikachu | beinuiteled |
| 12:05:09 | LinusN | or "gems" |
| 12:05:19 | linuxstb | I wonder what bluechip is referring to with "the copyrighted material which is reproduced without express written concent" |
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| 12:06:40 | LinusN | i'm wondering the same |
| 12:07:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It could just be referring to the MP3 thing, or the Bejeweled name again. |
| 12:08:06 | linuxstb | Those are different to copyright infringement. |
| 12:08:06 | Mikachu | you can't copyright a name i believe |
| 12:08:31 | linuxstb | The mp3 issue is patents. Bejeweled is trademarks. |
| 12:08:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 12:08:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right, so copyright would only apply to specifically reproduced code, or texts. |
| 12:10:00 | linuxstb | Yes, and we use libmad which is licensed to us by the author under the GPL. |
| 12:10:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wonder if he was referring to the AT&T thing then? Would the voices be a copyright issue? |
| 12:10:50 | * | Paul_The_Nerd could just post to the mailing list asking, I suppose. |
| 12:11:05 | Mikachu | i think indirectly, they don't allow you to use the program if you redistribute the voices |
| 12:11:25 | linuxstb | Yes, I think the basis of the AT&T thing is copyright. They only license their copyrighted voice files for certain uses. |
| 12:11:29 | LinusN | btw, that issue is still not resolved |
| 12:11:31 | Mikachu | so if you redistribute the voices, you are breaking the copyright on the tts engine |
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| 12:11:38 | lImbus | hi all |
| 12:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: From what I understand, the license seems to imply you can distribute recordings of the voices for noncommercial use, but a later portion of it seems to imply that you can't at the same time. At least, from the quotes I recall seeing in here. |
| 12:13:18 | Mikachu | okay, i was just going by things i glossed over weeks ago |
| 12:14:48 | JdGordon | hey, whats the official deal with getting plugins commited? is it just a matter of finishing them? or does it need devs to feel its actually useable? |
| 12:15:40 | lImbus | there are already some useless plugins. don't think it's a no-go. |
| 12:15:56 | JdGordon | usefull is the better word.. not useable |
| 12:16:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: What's the plugin do? |
| 12:16:26 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't know if there are any rules, but it takes at least one developer to be interested enough to commit it. |
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| 12:16:52 | JdGordon | .. im about to recompile my timetable viewer plugin coz of the api changes, and i rememebbred it was a pain :p |
| 12:17:32 | JdGordon | pain to update it every time.. not a pain to get it to compile |
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| 12:20:01 | lImbus | what does it do ? |
| 12:20:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: How flexible is it? And what does it offer that couldn't instead just be added to the Calender plugin? |
| 12:21:15 | JdGordon | very flexible... the diff is that the timetable is for the same events every week... which i dont know if u can do in the calendar plugin? |
| 12:22:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I don't know if you can either, but I don't see why what are essentially weekly appointments couldn't be added into it? |
| 12:22:44 | JdGordon | i dunno... i made it a while ago, if paprica wants to add it in then thats cool.. |
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| 12:24:08 | Moos | Hello all ! |
| 12:24:34 | lImbus | lu |
| 12:25:13 | Moos | Salut lImbus! |
| 12:25:53 | VoltageX | what software do I need to compile rockbox plugins? |
| 12:26:12 | preglow | gcc |
| 12:26:27 | preglow | the same software you need to compile rockbox itself |
| 12:27:31 | VoltageX | gcc with cross compiling tools? |
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| 12:28:31 | orko | hi |
| 12:28:37 | lImbus | yes, depending on the target platform: sh-elf, m68k or arm |
| 12:28:40 | orko | how can i use usb to recharge |
| 12:28:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | orko: That's a very vague question. The general solution is "plug it in" |
| 12:29:02 | orko | i have version 2.5 installed |
| 12:29:30 | orko | but i cant see the same animation like when power is plugged in |
| 12:29:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno for Archos' |
| 12:29:42 | * | preglow kicks adsl |
| 12:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Alright guys, an Archos question. Wake up, I can't help this one. :-P |
| 12:29:47 | preglow | brb |
| 12:29:56 | lImbus | orko: which device ? |
| 12:30:00 | LinusN | orko: which archos device do you have? |
| 12:30:08 | VoltageX | lImbus: what target is iRiver? |
| 12:30:21 | JdGordon | m68k |
| 12:30:33 | orko | archos recorde |
| 12:31:01 | LinusN | orko: v1, v2 or fm? |
| 12:31:06 | lImbus | orko: the v1 (old recorder) does not charge from usb, the v2/fm should do as you plugin |
| 12:34:46 | orko | hwo could i see wihich one i have |
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| 12:35:50 | LinusN | orko: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 12:36:00 | orko | assume it works. is there the same recharging animation like when i plug in normal recharger. |
| 12:37:48 | orko | i have a 20gb device. so i assume i have a v2 recorder |
| 12:38:10 | VoltageX | we could just try porting iboy to rockbox... |
| 12:38:37 | LinusN | orko: the v1 recorder has 20gb as well |
| 12:38:59 | orko | shit. so i cant see whtas the difference |
| 12:39:03 | LinusN | VoltageX: what's wrong with rockboy? |
| 12:39:10 | LinusN | orko: check the pictures |
| 12:39:13 | B4gder | orko: look at the pics, they look different |
| 12:39:29 | VoltageX | LinusN: veeeeeeerrry slow |
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| 12:39:41 | orko | thex dont |
| 12:39:52 | orko | wheres the difference |
| 12:39:53 | LinusN | VoltageX: what makes you think iboy is faster on the iriver? |
| 12:40:16 | orko | even the old recorder has usb2.0 on the picture |
| 12:40:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: If anything, iBoy will probably be slower out of the box on iRiver, since it wouldn't have any of the M68k opts that may have been made. |
| 12:40:22 | VoltageX | LinusN: iboy is being actively developed |
| 12:40:24 | LinusN | orko: *pictures* |
| 12:40:34 | LinusN | orko: as in "images" |
| 12:40:35 | B4gder | VoltageX: for ARM yes |
| 12:40:51 | B4gder | might not be very good for coldfire/iriver |
| 12:41:10 | VoltageX | gah I can't win. my options all involve learning asm. |
| 12:41:28 | B4gder | I doubt asm is the only key to success |
| 12:41:49 | VoltageX | ok, asm and c |
| 12:41:53 | B4gder | but of course, learning asm is always fun! |
| 12:42:00 | orko | sorry guy i cant see a difference on the pics. |
| 12:42:10 | LinusN | orko: wow |
| 12:42:16 | B4gder | orko: the v1 and v2 are quite different |
| 12:42:21 | B4gder | on the pics |
| 12:42:38 | LinusN | orko: you honestly mean that you can't see any difference between the picture of the V1 recorder and the FM recorder? |
| 12:43:12 | orko | now. i cant see any diference on the pics aof the recorde and the old recorder. |
| 12:43:30 | B4gder | compar the v2 with the v1 |
| 12:43:33 | orko | i want to find outif i have a old recorder or an recorder. because you toldme the v1 reocrder could not recharge via usb |
| 12:43:37 | LinusN | orko: i didn't ask that |
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| 12:44:05 | orko | i am confused. |
| 12:44:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | orko: V2: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/fmrecorder_t.jpg V1: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/recorder_t.jpg |
| 12:44:24 | LinusN | B4gder: in all fairness, there is no mention of v1 in that table |
| 12:44:29 | orko | ok then i have a recorder |
| 12:44:29 | B4gder | true |
| 12:44:31 | _ironi_ | is there a difference? |
| 12:44:31 | _ironi_ | :) |
| 12:44:35 | orko | not an fm recorder |
| 12:44:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | orko: V2 looks like an FM recorder. |
| 12:44:47 | LinusN | orko: then you can't charge via usb |
| 12:45:05 | orko | fuck,-( |
| 12:45:14 | orko | will it be possible? |
| 12:45:20 | LinusN | no |
| 12:45:26 | LinusN | the table is correct |
| 12:45:46 | LinusN | there is even a row for "Charge via USB" |
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| 12:49:55 | orko | but theres no description what the row indicates: a current working feature or something that can be done but is not implemented. |
| 12:50:12 | B4gder | it describes the hardware |
| 12:50:25 | B4gder | physical limitations |
| 12:51:30 | * | lImbus corrrected the DeviceChart to contain v1 and v2 marks |
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| 13:03:56 | Jungti1234 | hello |
| 13:03:57 | orko | so thanks to all . you helped me much even although i am dissapointed that my recorde could nt recharge via usb,-( |
| 13:03:59 | orko | cu |
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| 13:14:03 | XavierGr | LinusN: Is there any chance that you remember where exactly was the problem (in the code) with some mp3s that I sent you. The problem was that rockbox couldn't calculate correcty the duration of these songs. |
| 13:15:31 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 13:16:09 | LinusN | iirc, i believe there was a problem with the LAME header |
| 13:16:26 | LinusN | what was the title of the tracks again? |
| 13:16:52 | XavierGr | but I remember you mentioned that there was an small bug in the rockbox code too. |
| 13:16:56 | XavierGr | ehm it was... |
| 13:17:11 | XavierGr | A Day Without Rain |
| 13:17:15 | XavierGr | one of them. |
| 13:17:37 | XavierGr | but I can see many of them on my collection. I guess it is a dodgy encoder that did this to me. |
| 13:20:12 | XavierGr | I ask this because if this is a small glitch in rockbox maybe I could make it work, instead of reripping many of my songs. Which I am not sure how many of them are in that condition. |
| 13:21:15 | LinusN | XavierGr: "Silver inches" and "Tempus vernum", right? |
| 13:21:29 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 13:21:37 | XavierGr | that was what I've sent to you. |
| 13:21:45 | LinusN | hmmm, i should take another look at them |
| 13:21:50 | XavierGr | sorry for that, I didn;t remember the title per se. |
| 13:22:04 | LinusN | i have them on my home pc |
| 13:22:07 | XavierGr | ok thanks. |
| 13:22:51 | amiconn | t0mas / B4gder: Can you reach my build box? |
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| 13:32:33 | petur | aha! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/lappy_poll/ |
| 13:34:23 | XavierGr | what lappy means? |
| 13:34:58 | petur | I still don't know |
| 13:35:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Laptop, I would guess |
| 13:35:45 | petur | probably |
| 13:35:52 | XavierGr | yeah that is what wikipedia says |
| 13:36:03 | XavierGr | but why not use lappy in the register? |
| 13:36:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | For someone for whom six letters is too far beyond five to be worth bothering, I guess. |
| 13:36:41 | cs_weasel | lappy 486: finally, a computer for your lap |
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| 13:45:43 | lImbus | re |
| 13:51:09 | _ironi_ | is the ipod version of rocbox different |
| 13:51:31 | lImbus | euh ? in what kind of matter ? |
| 13:52:00 | _ironi_ | well is the rockbox software developed togehter for the different players |
| 13:52:03 | lImbus | rockbox is one software for all of these devices, but has device-dependant parts, of course, which are not yet fully done on ipod |
| 13:52:06 | lImbus | yes |
| 13:52:07 | _ironi_ | and then there is some kind of interface |
| 13:52:12 | _ironi_ | like a layer in between |
| 13:52:13 | lImbus | right |
| 13:52:25 | _ironi_ | ok |
| 13:52:34 | muesli__ | http://pics.soohrt.org/fun/getStringFromObject.jpg |
| 13:52:37 | muesli__ | ;-p |
| 13:52:40 | _ironi_ | so is there any interest for a windows installer |
| 13:52:41 | lImbus | the most notabely for example the plugins |
| 13:52:54 | lImbus | there is a windows installer, or at least has been |
| 13:52:59 | _ironi_ | for the ipod? |
| 13:53:04 | linuxstb | _ironi_: At least 95% of the code is the same for the ipod and iriver versions of Rockbox. It's only the very low-level hardware drivers that are different. |
| 13:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | _ironi_: The idea is for whenever possible Rockbox should function identically on the player, across targets. |
| 13:53:11 | lImbus | no, don't think yet |
| 13:53:31 | _ironi_ | Paul_The_Nerd: something like vodafone live cellphones :) |
| 13:53:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | _ironi_: There has been an installation batch file made, I believe, and a script for MacOSX, but no real installers yet. |
| 13:53:37 | _ironi_ | its a good thing |
| 13:53:52 | _ironi_ | well ive played around with nullsoft installer a bit |
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| 13:54:10 | _ironi_ | its not like its anything complicated but I could take on the task to make a small installer |
| 13:54:48 | LinusN | _ironi_: in which respect is the nullsoft installer better than innosetup? |
| 13:55:06 | _ironi_ | LinusN: i have no idea what innosetup is =) |
| 13:55:12 | B4gder | ... the ArchOpen guys should join up with us |
| 13:55:24 | B4gder | they seem to run on several Archos players now |
| 13:55:29 | LinusN | _ironi_: it's the installer we currently use for rockbox |
| 13:55:46 | _ironi_ | oh i see. |
| 13:55:55 | _ironi_ | well then i guess someone alread has it covered |
| 13:56:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | _ironi_: It hasn't been adapted to function for the iPod Port at all though |
| 13:56:40 | linuxstb | What does the existing installer do? Does it just copy some files to the hard disk on the target? |
| 13:56:55 | LinusN | sort of |
| 13:57:08 | LinusN | the nullsoft installer looks interesting |
| 13:57:33 | _ironi_ | i think nsis is pretty straigt-forward |
| 13:58:05 | _ironi_ | there is even an eclipse environment ide for it |
| 13:58:06 | _ironi_ | heh |
| 13:58:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | For ipod, ideally it should store a compressed copy of the extracted boot image, in case they want to restore their OS later, right? |
| 13:58:25 | _ironi_ | it should set up like program files\rockbox or something |
| 13:58:29 | _ironi_ | and save it there maybe |
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| 14:00:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Can iPod_fw generate a valid "clean" firmware image with apple_os.bin (with a few modifications to ipod_fw to accept one file input, I would assume), or would it need to back up the whole bootpartition.bin? |
| 14:01:05 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't think it can as it is now. |
| 14:01:30 | linuxstb | But such a feature shouldn't be too hard to add. |
| 14:01:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: It seems it'd be a lot easier to backup apple_os.bin rather than bootpartition.bin (which even when I compressed came out as 4 times the size of an uncompressed apple_os.bin) |
| 14:02:42 | linuxstb | Well, bootpartition.bin also contains an image of the apple flash bootloader. On your Nano, it might also contain an hibernation image. |
| 14:03:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 14:03:22 | Jungti1234 | oops |
| 14:03:30 | Jungti1234 | hey muesli__! :( |
| 14:03:41 | linuxstb | The Mac OS version of the Apple updater just contains "bootpartition.bin" images for all the ipods as files - so that's an easy place to get a copy from. |
| 14:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, restoring it to a state where the apple updater would work on it, would require reconstructing everything that should be there (IE: Everything but the hibernation image, I would assume) |
| 14:03:54 | muesli__ | ho Jungti1234 |
| 14:03:58 | linuxstb | I think ipodwizard can extract the files from the Windows installer. |
| 14:04:20 | Jungti1234 | muesli__: Do you like such image? |
| 14:04:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Ah, so a rockbox installer with a restore choice could just be made to point at a location where the apple restore utility is? |
| 14:04:35 | muesli__ | without the string, sure :D |
| 14:04:42 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes. |
| 14:04:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seems a better alternative then |
| 14:05:21 | linuxstb | But it doesn't hurt to keep a copy of bootpartition.bin - it's not big compared to modern hard disks. |
| 14:05:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
| 14:05:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | 80mb, compressed down to 22.5 with 7-zip for me. |
| 14:06:32 | linuxstb | My 5g's boot partition compresses from 80mb to about 15mb using gzip |
| 14:07:03 | linuxstb | And that's got the 5MB broadcom firmware as well. |
| 14:07:15 | * | Paul_The_Nerd tries gzip |
| 14:07:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mine actually came out slightly bigger with the gzip attempt. |
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| 14:07:57 | webguest95 | hey people |
| 14:08:17 | lImbus | hey webguest |
| 14:08:21 | webguest95 | anybody know anything bout video on rockbox for h300 series? |
| 14:08:32 | lImbus | not yet done :-) |
| 14:08:38 | ashridah | yeah. there isn't any, yet. |
| 14:08:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest95: If you wanted to create a plugin for it, it'd make a lot of people happy. |
| 14:08:50 | webguest95 | You guys developing that thing are great!!! |
| 14:09:15 | webguest95 | paul i can t program or anything like that , i m just a happy user ;-) |
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| 14:16:00 | tayshun12 | hello |
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| 14:16:20 | Lynx | the firmware feature comparison chart is not up to date, is it? |
| 14:16:36 | tayshun12 | does it dual boot |
| 14:16:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Linx: Probably not so much. |
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| 14:17:06 | tayshun12 | if i reset my ipod video will it ask which firmware i want to boot?? |
| 14:17:07 | lImbus | Lynx, probably not, since it does not differentiate between platformsä |
| 14:17:37 | Lynx | |Imbus: it does actually. somewhat. |
| 14:17:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | tayshun12: It doesn't ask, but yes it does dual boot. Have you read the FAQ? |
| 14:17:51 | tayshun12 | no i will |
| 14:17:59 | tayshun12 | wait yes i did |
| 14:18:06 | tayshun12 | it didnt say anything about that |
| 14:18:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a question in there that says "My ipod firmware looks funny when I boot into it" which rather heavily implies that it dual boots. |
| 14:18:27 | tayshun12 | oic lol |
| 14:18:41 | tayshun12 | how do u get to the normal firmware then? |
| 14:18:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But to boot into apple software, just hold Menu immediately after turning it on. |
| 14:18:52 | tayshun12 | ok |
| 14:19:00 | tayshun12 | after a reset? |
| 14:19:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodTips |
| 14:19:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | A reset works too, but you can also just turn it off, then turn it on |
| 14:19:24 | tayshun12 | k thanks |
| 14:20:25 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: What do you think about combining the IpodFAQ and IpodTips pages? |
| 14:20:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: I have no objection to it at all. I'm not really sure how it got divided. I'll just go and merge them then. |
| 14:21:14 | linuxstb | I think they were just started independently. |
| 14:21:45 | linuxstb | We should also include more links from the iPod pages to the generic Rockbox documentation. |
| 14:24:21 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. bye all |
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| 14:25:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Is there a way to do a redirect in the wiki? |
| 14:27:48 | fantomas | Paul_The_Nerd: #redirect [[óÁÊÔ äÕÂÎÙ]] |
| 14:27:58 | fantomas | [[New Page]] I mean |
| 14:30:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | It looks like twiki needs a plugin to be able to do redirects? |
| 14:31:57 | linuxstb | Just put a short sentence saying something like "The tips are now part of the IpodFAQ". I don't think there will be that many external links going there for it to be an issue. |
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| 14:32:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, I put a "Moved to IpodFAQ" there |
| 14:32:29 | linuxstb | Just saw that... |
| 14:33:15 | linuxstb | There's a typo around the "How to control Rockbox" heading - it's not being recognised as a heading. |
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| 14:33:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | My fault. A bad copy/paste. |
| 14:34:12 | linuxstb | Of course it's your fault :) |
| 14:35:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I also made a small change to an outdated question (since the battery meter now shows permanently full rather than permanently empty, I believe) |
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| 14:35:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, *my* battery meter works.. But, y'know, for most people. |
| 14:35:57 | linuxstb | Yes - it's the same on my 4g Color. |
| 14:36:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | 5865 seems to work as a scale factor for Nano, I think. |
| 14:47:27 | tayshun12 | i just installed rockbox on my 5g ipod... ifeel special |
| 14:47:34 | tayshun12 | thanks for the help |
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| 15:01:11 | safetydan | Anyone had a chance to look at my attempt at a new WPS parser? It's been on the tracker for like 12 hours now, surely someone's looked at it :) |
| 15:01:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 15:02:10 | * | Paul_The_Nerd looks at it. |
| 15:02:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup, it's still there |
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| 15:19:48 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm also very puzzled by that xobox patch... |
| 15:20:38 | Mikachu | which one? |
| 15:20:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | I *think* he wants to start the 'player' moving in one direction, pause it repeatedly until it's at a certain point, then hit a new direction and unpause |
| 15:21:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Guessing from the fact that the other contribution of that patch is an *actual* cheat |
| 15:22:12 | linuxstb | So what's the difference between SELECT+MENU and SELECT+PLAY ? |
| 15:22:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | He changed it to MENU | PLAY |
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| 15:23:10 | linuxstb | No, he changed it to SELECT | PLAY |
| 15:23:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or not |
| 15:23:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Huh |
| 15:23:53 | linuxstb | CHEAT is LEFT | RIGHT, and only defined for iPods - breaking all the other builds. |
| 15:24:23 | * | Paul_The_Nerd isn't a fan of including cheat features intentionally in games that are open source anyway |
| 15:24:47 | * | Paul_The_Nerd also isn't a fan of any button command requiring him to push down opposite sides of his scroll wheel. |
| 15:25:13 | B4gder | getting grumpy, are we? ;-P |
| 15:25:16 | Mikachu | i think my xobox patch is much better :) |
| 15:25:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff. |
| 15:25:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm a grumpy old man in a far too young for its grumpiness body. |
| 15:26:06 | preglow | the volume control on ipod has to go |
| 15:26:13 | linuxstb | ? |
| 15:26:21 | preglow | it's impossible to keep the player in a pocket without adjusting the volume all the time |
| 15:26:32 | linuxstb | hold? |
| 15:26:44 | preglow | i don't want to switch hold just to skip a track |
| 15:27:01 | preglow | all other players i've used i can keep in my jacket pocket without needing to use hold |
| 15:27:25 | preglow | with ipod, it's impossible to find which button to use without stroking the click wheel at the same time |
| 15:28:01 | Mikachu | that annoys me in the original firmware too |
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| 15:28:10 | preglow | it's not as bad there, is it? |
| 15:28:12 | Jungti1234 | http://www.pmplab.org/bbs/data/screenshot/Q3.jpg |
| 15:28:15 | preglow | what's the default scroll action there? |
| 15:28:19 | Mikachu | volume... |
| 15:28:19 | Jungti1234 | Is it impossible in Rockbox? :) |
| 15:28:39 | Mikachu | if you press select once, it's seek, and if you press twice it's rate |
| 15:28:44 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox programmers are great... hehe |
| 15:28:47 | Mikachu | (it's impossible to select a star accurately btw) |
| 15:28:59 | Mikachu | i think it would have been better if default was nothing, as you say, and one press volume and etc |
| 15:29:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: I use a skin for my ipod that actually puts the scrollwheel in a recess. Have you looked at iSkins? |
| 15:29:32 | Mikachu | i find the transitions between WPS, filesystem and menu a bit confusing |
| 15:29:50 | Mikachu | in rockbox |
| 15:30:33 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: is it possible to get without buying five at a time? |
| 15:30:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Yeah |
| 15:30:50 | preglow | sounds promising |
| 15:30:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.iskin.com/duo_nano/features.html |
| 15:31:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm *very* fond of mine |
| 15:31:09 | preglow | Mikachu: yeah, me too, but then we have the problem of finding out how to exit the wps |
| 15:31:22 | safetydan | preglow, was that cordic code I posted any use or should I work on it some more before mentioning it again? |
| 15:31:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | You lose a little sensitivity on the touchwheel while it's on, but other than that it's very nice |
| 15:31:34 | preglow | safetydan: haven't had time to test |
| 15:31:56 | Jungti1234 | hmm :) It may be difficult. |
| 15:32:02 | Jungti1234 | ok, bye |
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| 15:42:11 | muesli__ | XavierGr ? |
| 15:42:43 | XavierGr | yes? |
| 15:43:07 | muesli__ | since what year is gk member of the eu? |
| 15:43:53 | XavierGr | I am not sure let me check |
| 15:45:07 | XavierGr | The country became the tenth member of the European Union on January 1, 1981 |
| 15:45:43 | muesli__ | thx :-) |
| 15:46:01 | XavierGr | why you ask? |
| 15:46:37 | muesli__ | friend of mine was asked who became member of eu in 2004. and it couldnt be gk ;) |
| 15:47:06 | XavierGr | what's gk stands for? Greece? |
| 15:47:23 | XavierGr | and yes if you meant Greece 2004 is way off from this |
| 15:48:24 | linuxstb | muesli__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_European_Union |
| 15:48:24 | muesli__ | yepp...i always mix up c and k in greece and greek ;)= |
| 15:56:53 | _ironi_ | grecke? |
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| 17:40:41 | Mmmm | Petur: how's the gui revision going? :) |
| 17:45:13 | petur | nothing yet... loaded with payed work :( |
| 17:45:55 | Mmmm | euggghhh... |
| 17:46:03 | petur | got to go now anyway... /later |
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| 17:52:54 | Mmmm | I'm trying to set up a cross compiler for CalmRISC16 but make won't finish without errors. I've set up all the other xcompilers with no probs. |
| 17:53:16 | Mmmm | here's the error : make[3]: Entering directory `/home/Martin/build/binutils-calmrisc/bfd/po' |
| 17:53:16 | Mmmm | file=../../../../binutils-2.15/bfd/po/`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ |
| 17:53:16 | Mmmm | && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH no -o $file ../../../../binutils-2.15/bfd/po/fr.po |
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| 17:53:16 | Mmmm | make[3]: *** [fr.gmo] Error 127 |
| 17:53:36 | Mmmm | anyone got any ideas? |
| 17:53:58 | Mmmm | (that's when making the binutils btw) |
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| 18:43:44 | BoD[] | Hi! |
| 18:45:39 | BoD[] | Hey wasn't there a user manual somewhere? |
| 18:46:18 | BoD[] | oh nevermind |
| 18:46:22 | BoD[] | found it |
| 18:48:18 | BoD[] | ok I have a question: is there a way to have a specific file sorting for a directory (and the default one for the others directories) |
| 18:48:46 | lostlogic | no |
| 18:48:49 | BoD[] | (to be precise, I'd like my podcasts to be sorted by date, most recent first) |
| 18:48:55 | BoD[] | no? :( |
| 18:49:11 | lostlogic | not at this time −− might be worht coding :-P |
| 18:49:27 | BoD[] | that would be very useful ! |
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| 18:49:49 | lostlogic | seems like you could just name them in such a way as that they would be sorted in the desired fashion |
| 18:50:57 | BoD[] | lostlogic: well I'd have to rename all the files everytime there's a new episode |
| 18:51:20 | crashd | you could write a patch for it BoD[] |
| 18:51:31 | crashd | or add a menu option to sort by date created |
| 18:51:37 | crashd | and/or |
| 18:52:30 | BoD[] | i see there's a special .display file |
| 18:52:42 | BoD[] | I think that would be a good candidate for that feature |
| 18:53:04 | BoD[] | (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UseDisplayName) |
| 18:54:21 | BoD[] | another feature i'd like to see, is an indication of wether a file has been listened to already (and on the directory if it contains a file that has not been listened to yet) |
| 18:54:33 | BoD[] | (for podcats as well) |
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| 18:55:35 | BoD[] | oh and anotherother feature that would be cool : inversion of the screen when the backlight is off |
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| 18:58:19 | webguest69 | BoD[]: Just prepend every file with the date in iso-something standard notation? (yyyy-mm-dd) |
| 18:58:37 | webguest69 | sorting that alphabetically works chronologically as well |
| 18:59:31 | BoD[] | webguest69: I'd like to sort by default alphabetically, but my podcasts reverse-alphabetically |
| 18:59:33 | markun | BoD[]: will the screen look better inverted? |
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| 19:00:28 | BoD[] | markun: if you have light letters on dark background, it's readable when the backlight is off. But if you have the opposite, then when the backlight is off, it's impossible to read |
| 19:00:49 | BoD[] | markun: so there could be an option to invert the screen when the backlight is off |
| 19:02:00 | webguest69 | BoD[]: well true, that'd give you oldest-first, but on the positive side, works with current Rockbox |
| 19:02:22 | BoD[] | webguest69: :) |
| 19:02:40 | BoD[] | webguest69: i'll send a feature request |
| 19:04:32 | BoD[] | anyway thanks guys |
| 19:04:36 | BoD[] | I go home |
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| 20:36:35 | webguest69 | What on earth is the dice plugin doing? |
| 20:36:46 | webguest69 | What do the 3 dashes mean? |
| 20:37:04 | XavierGr | picks a random number, with the dice of you choice |
| 20:37:37 | XavierGr | \your |
| 20:37:38 | webguest69 | yes, well.. I meant on the setup screen, it's acting really strangely |
| 20:37:42 | webguest69 | strange |
| 20:38:10 | webguest69 | there are some dashes under the numbers |
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| 20:38:24 | lostlogic | they indicate which of the two parameters you are adjusting |
| 20:38:26 | XavierGr | 2 dashes mean that you control how many dices to roll |
| 20:38:41 | XavierGr | 3 dashes indicate what sort of dice you want to roll. |
| 20:38:46 | lostlogic | I'm probably going to switch to using the asterisk method I use on the player at some time soon |
| 20:38:48 | webguest69 | Not very obvious if you ask me |
| 20:39:00 | lostlogic | webguest69: change it if you want |
| 20:39:02 | XavierGr | lostlogic truth is misalgnied |
| 20:39:10 | webguest69 | maybe with a proportional font |
| 20:39:15 | lostlogic | XavierGr: if you use a fixed width font it is aligned |
| 20:39:28 | XavierGr | ohh didn't know that. |
| 20:39:34 | webguest69 | Why not just draw it instead? |
| 20:39:39 | XavierGr | but better an asterisk |
| 20:39:45 | lostlogic | webguest69: because I'm not a GUI person and have no idea hwo to do that |
| 20:39:49 | lostlogic | webguest69: change it if you want. |
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| 20:40:11 | webguest69 | Oh no, I'm content with just complaining :) |
| 20:40:17 | lostlogic | ::rolleyes:: |
| 20:40:44 | webguest69 | Well, at first I didn't get it at all, so I was mostly asking what was going on |
| 20:41:09 | webguest69 | there's some call to use the system font (which is proportional) |
| 20:42:50 | webguest69 | rb->lcd_setfont (FONT_SYSFIXED); |
| 20:43:12 | webguest69 | I guess that could do the trick |
| 20:43:37 | XavierGr | yes but obviously the author wants the user to use his font. |
| 20:43:59 | Mikachu | it's just a dice plugin, i don't think the font matters.. |
| 20:44:27 | webguest69 | well, it matters (a bit) if it confuses the user |
| 20:44:33 | Mikachu | it's not like you'd walk up to someone and say "hey, check out this cool rockbox plugin, it uses the font i selected in the main menu" |
| 20:44:52 | XavierGr | well, there are not many lines so a small font will be difficult to read |
| 20:45:06 | XavierGr | not many lines of info I mean |
| 20:45:32 | XavierGr | it is better to take advantage of the screen. |
| 20:45:42 | XavierGr | FONT_SYSFIXED is too tiny IMHO. |
| 20:45:50 | Mikachu | it's not so small on my nano :) |
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| 20:46:11 | XavierGr | you 've got a NANO. That says pretty much everything |
| 20:46:23 | XavierGr | imagine if you had the 5g video |
| 20:46:35 | safetydan | It's not small, it's just information dense :) |
| 20:46:47 | Mikachu | maybe FONT_SYSFIXED should be bigger on the video |
| 20:46:54 | webguest69 | that's a point |
| 20:47:02 | webguest69 | I saw something about that in the logs some day |
| 20:47:36 | webguest69 | apparently the font it was copied from originally comes in larger sizes, so it's entirely possible |
| 20:47:41 | webguest69 | I think |
| 20:48:10 | Mikachu | yeah, it comes in most sizes between 5x8 and 12x24 i think |
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| 20:48:40 | Mikachu | 4x6 to 12x24 even |
| 20:48:46 | Mikachu | but i don't like 4x6 :) |
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| 20:50:10 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/4x6.png :) |
| 20:50:25 | lostlogic | Well dice was a pretty quick whack for me, so I didn't really initially intend to include it... but then paul helped port it to other devices... obviously someone needs to pick it up and make it friendly (please?) |
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| 20:53:25 | XavierGr | I will see what I can do lostlogic. But no promises. |
| 20:53:40 | XavierGr | Define friendly though. |
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| 20:54:40 | lostlogic | XavierGr: make it so devices with less buttons will have an easier time using it (by making it wrap around the edges on l/r presses), better instructional text, pay attention to how many lines the screen can display, calibrate number of available dice and dice per row to characters per line |
| 20:54:45 | lostlogic | things of that general nature |
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| 20:56:14 | webguest69 | A more obvious indication of which setting is being changed |
| 20:56:43 | webguest69 | dice animation! sound! 3d stereoscopic images! |
| 20:56:57 | webguest69 | or maybe not. |
| 20:57:08 | lostlogic | animation would definitely be neat −− leverage the cube plugin code? :-P :-D |
| 20:57:20 | Mikachu | stereoscopic with two players |
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| 20:57:25 | XavierGr | hehe |
| 20:57:29 | XavierGr | that would be awesome |
| 20:57:52 | XavierGr | Welcome Linus |
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| 21:01:16 | safetydan | hrm... writing a parser that works is hard than you think... |
| 21:01:22 | safetydan | harder even |
| 21:03:53 | lostlogic | safetydan: whacha parsin'? in what language? |
| 21:04:18 | XavierGr | I guess the WPS |
| 21:04:29 | XavierGr | he is trying to make a better parser. |
| 21:04:58 | safetydan | pretty much |
| 21:05:00 | LinusN | better in what way? |
| 21:05:06 | safetydan | better as in more understandable (I hope) |
| 21:05:16 | safetydan | also going with the tokenising idea |
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| 21:06:23 | safetydan | There's a patch in the tracker if anyone else wants to take a look. It's not complete and I'm not even sure if it will achieve the goals I want. |
| 21:06:28 | safetydan | But might as well try :) |
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| 21:15:49 | lostlogic | safetydan: ah, was going to ask you if you'd looked at that patch |
| 21:16:16 | lostlogic | yeah, it's definitely a non-trivial task, but converting WPS elements into structured data will make display faster and more flexible |
| 21:16:19 | safetydan | lostlogic, I looked at it, but it didn't apply anymore and I thought it might be worth redoing the parsing at the same time as tokenising |
| 21:16:32 | lostlogic | *nod* |
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| 22:01:45 | markun | Is it possible to change a commit message? |
| 22:01:57 | linuxstb | Yes, "cvs admin" |
| 22:02:40 | markun | I'm not sure if I should, but the message of my last commit was not very useful |
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| 22:05:48 | linuxstb | It would be something like: cvs admin -m 1.42:"New message" filename1 |
| 22:05:50 | markun | Toshiba is not going to release the new Gigabeat in Europe, I wonder why. http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3059 |
| 22:05:59 | linuxstb | (You'll have to do it three times) |
| 22:06:04 | markun | ok |
| 22:06:05 | markun | thanks |
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| 22:06:13 | ChrisK | er, really stupid question, but which folder do i put a rom in in rockbox |
| 22:06:16 | linuxstb | But I don't think you will be shot if you left it as it is. |
| 22:06:20 | ChrisK | on an ipod 5g if that helps |
| 22:06:27 | linuxstb | ChrisK: A Gameboy ROM? |
| 22:06:33 | ChrisK | yes |
| 22:06:39 | linuxstb | Anywhere you want to. |
| 22:06:48 | ChrisK | Hmm. |
| 22:06:51 | lostlogic | does rockboy work on ipv?? |
| 22:06:57 | linuxstb | You just browse to it using the file browser, and then select it as if it was a music file. |
| 22:06:58 | ChrisK | i got ipl working on ipv |
| 22:07:07 | markun | linuxstb: I'll leave it like this then, and think a bit harder before I hit enter. |
| 22:07:11 | markun | next time |
| 22:07:48 | linuxstb | ChrisK: Yes, but it doesn't work in full-screen mode (which is unfortunately the default). You just need to open the menu and toggle the fullscreen option. Also, the button assignments aren't very useful at the moment on the iPods. |
| 22:08:43 | ChrisK | I saw the topic about full-screen mode on the forums thanks, and I just want to get it running because I have nothing better to do. |
| 22:09:35 | Mikachu | this is sort of a silly question since i turn the option off in apple os, but will the piezo-clicks be implemented at some point? |
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| 22:09:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oooh |
| 22:10:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone should make a morse code plugin that interprets a .txt file and outputs it in piezo clicks! |
| 22:10:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | :-P |
| 22:10:18 | Mikachu | i thought it might be plausible since it works in ipl |
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| 22:10:21 | fairway | hi |
| 22:10:34 | fairway | where can I find some decent themes for the ipod photo? |
| 22:10:36 | Mikachu | but i'm not much for reading code that looks like 0x32434 = 0x324234 | 0x8686 << 12; |
| 22:10:43 | markun | Paul_The_Nerd: if slasheri had an ipod he'd do it for sure :) |
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| 22:11:22 | kclaf | did sm1 manage to get the foobar2000/ItunesDB trick to work ? |
| 22:11:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | fairway: Go to misticriver.net and look for an H300 WPS thread. |
| 22:12:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | kclaf: I don't believe so. I think foo_pod needs to be updated to work with the newer itunes version |
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| 22:13:22 | kclaf | ah k, crap |
| 22:13:22 | kclaf | what has it do to with itunes tho ? |
| 22:13:22 | kclaf | new itunes version = new itunes db version ? |
| 22:13:23 | linuxstb | Does foo_pod warn you if your filenames are too long for the itunesdb? |
| 22:13:44 | kclaf | i have no idea, i didnt try the trick yet |
| 22:14:15 | kclaf | im curious, because my alpine car player requires apple original fw of course to play files |
| 22:14:18 | linuxstb | kclaf: Yes - Apple are always changing the in tunesdb format. So it's a constant battle to keep the parsers up to date. |
| 22:14:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | kclaf: Well, newer itunes db version, really. As far as I'm aware the trick doesn't work on Video or Nano. |
| 22:14:39 | kclaf | ok, thanks for your answers guys |
| 22:15:23 | kclaf | i guess i have to stick to having my mp3 collection twice on the ipod for now |
| 22:16:00 | crashd | anyone got much idea what they changed in the new metadata to stop foopod working properly? |
| 22:16:11 | Mikachu | kclaf: you could ditch apple os :) |
| 22:16:22 | Mikachu | kclaf: oh sorry, i didn't read that one important line |
| 22:17:00 | kclaf | hehe |
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| 22:17:14 | kclaf | i would ditch apple os if i could |
| 22:17:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | kclaf: What does the Alpine car player use, other than line out and power? |
| 22:17:49 | linuxstb | If you send me your alpine car player (and the car it is in), then I'll work on it... |
| 22:17:49 | kclaf | well |
| 22:18:07 | kclaf | i can control the ipod from the player |
| 22:18:17 | kclaf | and player displays mp3 tags |
| 22:18:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah |
| 22:18:35 | kclaf | that's very convenient |
| 22:18:58 | kclaf | see http://www.alpinefullspeed.com/go.html |
| 22:19:18 | kclaf | section : See it work |
| 22:21:15 | kclaf | thats why i patched my bootloader too |
| 22:21:24 | kclaf | in order to select apple fw as default |
| 22:22:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are the songs actually played on the iPod, or is it just treated as an external HD, and the songs played on the head unit? |
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| 22:25:00 | kclaf | played on the ipod |
| 22:25:11 | stripwax | ello |
| 22:25:14 | kclaf | i guess the alpine send commands to ipod |
| 22:25:17 | kclaf | +s |
| 22:25:22 | kclaf | like itunedb requests |
| 22:25:31 | kclaf | and play, pause cdms |
| 22:25:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm |
| 22:26:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Weird |
| 22:26:03 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: It's described here: http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol |
| 22:26:23 | kclaf | ah yes, nice |
| 22:26:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | As a head unit, I'd much rather have it transfer the compressed data, and have the head unit do the decoding/playback, but that's just me. |
| 22:26:56 | linuxstb | But it's easier for Alpine if the ipod does all the hard work. |
| 22:27:00 | kclaf | hmm |
| 22:27:07 | kclaf | im not sure the way it works tho |
| 22:27:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Fair enough I suppose. I'm just used to in-dash CD players that read MP3s from the disk, I kinda assumed one with an iPod hookup would at least have the ability to decode MP3s otherwise. :) |
| 22:28:22 | kclaf | well the head unit can decode mp3 |
| 22:28:27 | kclaf | so you might be right |
| 22:28:37 | kclaf | as i told you, i didnt really checked |
| 22:28:52 | kclaf | perhaps i can try to make it work with rockbox, dunno |
| 22:29:23 | linuxstb | It would be very unlikely - unless it just puts the iPod into disk mode as Paul_The_Nerd suggested. |
| 22:29:48 | webguest69 | Can you play AACs? |
| 22:29:55 | kclaf | yea |
| 22:29:57 | webguest69 | I doubt many car-players can do that |
| 22:30:02 | crashd | might just be a lineout |
| 22:30:03 | webguest69 | probably the ipod then |
| 22:30:05 | kclaf | so it's the ipod that decodes |
| 22:30:08 | kclaf | hehe right |
| 22:30:14 | crashd | or using some of the pins for information |
| 22:30:23 | crashd | it's hard to tell really ;\ |
| 22:30:27 | kclaf | yea |
| 22:30:33 | linuxstb | The AiR protocol as described on that page would seem the most likely. |
| 22:30:35 | webguest69 | linout, and some control-wires |
| 22:30:38 | crashd | yeah |
| 22:31:57 | crashd | hmm |
| 22:32:02 | kclaf | do the ppl who worked on Apple Accessory Protocol plan to port it on IPL or smthing ? |
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| 22:32:08 | crashd | i wonder what emulators itd be worth porting to rockbox |
| 22:32:45 | linuxstb | A Palm emulator? |
| 22:32:52 | crashd | :o |
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| 22:33:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: I can think of a few game/system emulators people have requested that might be doable. |
| 22:33:33 | crashd | Paul_The_Nerd: are they in requests? |
| 22:34:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | crashd: They're usually drive-by requestings. |
| 22:34:11 | crashd | heh |
| 22:34:19 | crashd | i love it when people commit to helping a project out. |
| 22:34:20 | crashd | ¬_¬ |
| 22:35:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I serve dutifully in my role as whipping boy, and "First line of tech support defense" |
| 22:35:41 | crashd | heh |
| 22:36:31 | crashd | hmms, what about the nes |
| 22:36:37 | crashd | it isnt a particularly taxing system |
| 22:36:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is the most commonly requested one |
| 22:36:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | And one that would make *me* incredibly happy |
| 22:36:50 | crashd | hehe |
| 22:37:01 | crashd | the one that'd make me happy is SNES, but that's never going to happen |
| 22:37:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, not with sound, or at any decent speed at least. |
| 22:37:44 | crashd | yeah |
| 22:37:50 | crashd | and there just isnt enough buttons on any of the targets |
| 22:37:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | True |
| 22:38:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there are on an H1x0/3x0 with remote |
| 22:38:21 | crashd | well, i guess |
| 22:38:25 | crashd | but ive only got an ipod 5g |
| 22:38:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 22:38:32 | crashd | so testing wouldnt be fun : ) |
| 22:38:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed |
| 22:38:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd say NES is a good choice if you're planning on making one. Very popular system, that one. I've still got mine hooked up, and in working order. |
| 22:39:05 | crashd | heh |
| 22:39:11 | linuxstb | crashd: I've started collecting links to potential emulators at the bottom of the PluginPacbox page (probably not the best place) |
| 22:39:18 | Mikachu | the wheel gives 90 different value, so if you have extremely exact motor skills you could use a system with 90 buttons :) |
| 22:39:36 | crashd | cheers linuxstb |
| 22:39:43 | kclaf | ( ok you guys were right, ERROR (foo_pod) : Unable to parse iTunesDB file ;d ) |
| 22:39:55 | linuxstb | The emulator world have some odd licenses though - not very much GPL'd. |
| 22:39:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | 96, isn't it? |
| 22:40:31 | linuxstb | crashd: Someone really needs to give Rockboy a little attention for the ipods as well. |
| 22:40:44 | crashd | yeah |
| 22:40:48 | crashd | i was testing that out last night |
| 22:40:48 | Mikachu | yeah, i remember it's 0x5f |
| 22:40:50 | crashd | it's a bit borked |
| 22:41:16 | linuxstb | All it needs is some display scaling code (for the 5g fullscreen mode, and for the Nano), plus some attention to the buttons. |
| 22:41:23 | Mikachu | i wrote that number a lot when i made the absolute steering for brickmania |
| 22:41:47 | linuxstb | The greyscale ipods probably don't work either... |
| 22:42:08 | linuxstb | Which reminds me, I don't think anyone has tested the 3g audio fix I committed a while ago... I wonder if it works. |
| 22:42:40 | crashd | rockboy supports gbc roms? |
| 22:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | SLowly |
| 22:42:49 | crashd | heh |
| 22:43:25 | linuxstb | A long list of emulators, mostly GPL'd: http://www.linux.org/apps/all/System/Emulators.html |
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| 22:45:15 | crashd | lets have a look at the rockboy code then |
| 22:45:18 | crashd | who's the current maintainer? |
| 22:45:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, the last person who changed it was kkurbjun I think? But I don't think it's really being "maintained" so much... |
| 22:46:04 | crashd | ahh, ok |
| 22:47:39 | linuxstb | crashd: You've found a job for yourself :) |
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| 22:47:46 | crashd | heh |
| 22:47:52 | crashd | ill take a look, ill have to figure out how it works first |
| 22:47:58 | crashd | otherwise ill just be stabbing in the dark ;) |
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| 22:56:39 | crashd | linuxstb: what functions does the rockbox api have for drawing to lcd's? |
| 22:56:53 | webguest69 | GraphicsAPI wikipage |
| 22:56:58 | crashd | thanks we |
| 22:57:13 | crashd | webguest69: |
| 22:57:13 | crashd | sigh. |
| 22:57:24 | webguest69 | Aaanyway, time for me to dash |
| 22:57:25 | linuxstb | crashd: You don't want to use the GraphicsAPI - you want to write the data directly to the lcd_framebuffer array. |
| 22:57:51 | crashd | linuxstb: yeah, i was assuming as much, i havent done any development in rockbox yet |
| 22:57:59 | crashd | so im just tryng to figure out how everything clicks in place |
| 22:58:03 | webguest69 | oh right, this was in the context of rockboy, silly me |
| 22:58:24 | linuxstb | Taking the 5g as an example, the lcd_framebuffer is simply "unsigned short lcd_framebuffer[320][240];" |
| 22:58:50 | linuxstb | The function lcd_update() is used to copy the contents of that framebuffer to the LCD hardware. |
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| 23:00:19 | linuxstb | Strictly speaking, the type of the array is "fb_data" - which is unsigned short for the 16-bit colour displays. |
| 23:01:37 | crashd | hmmm, ok |
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| 23:05:38 | crashd | does rockboy rescale the emulated lcd under h1x and h3x? |
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| 23:06:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Under h1x it trims some lines, I believe |
| 23:06:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Every Xth line is just removed, though I don't know what X is. |
| 23:06:18 | ohrn | evening folks |
| 23:06:49 | ohrn | I trying to compile rockbox with profiling enabled |
| 23:07:08 | ohrn | but the only thing that happened is that suddenly pacbox cant find it's roms anymore... |
| 23:07:47 | ohrn | can anyone plz clue med in on what I should do to get profiling up and running? |
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| 23:08:32 | nls | hmm tucoz isn't here |
| 23:09:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't enabling profiling supposed to be just a matter of changing/adding a #define? |
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| 23:10:07 | nls | anyway I saw helloworld and the grayscale demo in the latex manual and thought they should be removed. |
| 23:10:21 | nls | as they aren't built anyway |
| 23:10:39 | voltagex | hi, I can't get gcc to compile for m68k for rockbox, even with the cross con |
| 23:10:39 | markun | isn't lostlogic the profiling man? |
| 23:10:49 | voltagex | *cross compilers installed |
| 23:11:26 | linuxstb | crashd: The Gameboy's screen is 160x144 So it needs to drop some lines for the H1x0's 160x128 screen. |
| 23:11:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | voltagex: What error do you get, specifically? And did you use the cygwin packages, or did you create the cross compilers manually? |
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| 23:11:44 | crashd | ahh, i see |
| 23:11:51 | linuxstb | crashd: The H300's LCD is 220x176 - so the fullscreen mode is scaled up. |
| 23:12:07 | linuxstb | Those are the two main targets so far in Rockboy's life. |
| 23:12:12 | crashd | and the h300 scaling does work? |
| 23:12:20 | linuxstb | But I think it also works on the Archos 112x64 LCD. |
| 23:12:49 | linuxstb | crashd: Yes - the iPod 4G Color/Photo has an identical sized LCD |
| 23:13:11 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but rather bad |
| 23:13:16 | crashd | the 5g is a little bit bigger isnt it |
| 23:13:18 | voltagex | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, prc-tool-m68k isn't the cross compiler then - it's looking for m68k-gcc... I'm on debian right now |
| 23:13:31 | amiconn | Almost every other pixel is skipped, and on archos it's b/w only |
| 23:13:39 | amiconn | ...and also it's sloo-oow |
| 23:14:02 | nls | but in sim it's faa-aast |
| 23:14:06 | nls | :) |
| 23:14:07 | amiconn | hehe |
| 23:14:18 | voltagex | ouch, the iRiver's power adaptor gives a nasty shock. |
| 23:14:28 | amiconn | On archos target you'll get 3..5 fps |
| 23:14:52 | nls | any thoughts on killing grayscale and helloworld plugins in amnual |
| 23:14:58 | nls | manual |
| 23:15:11 | amiconn | Kill 'em, I'd say |
| 23:15:17 | voltagex | nls: they'd be useful for me as that's what I'm trying to make right now... |
| 23:15:19 | amiconn | They are just developer examples |
| 23:15:40 | voltagex | Paul_The_Nerd: any ideas? |
| 23:15:45 | LinusN | amiconn: so is there really a point in distributing rockboy for archos? |
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| 23:16:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | voltagex: www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 23:16:22 | amiconn | LinusN: There are still hopes someone starts optimising it |
| 23:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Everything you need to know about setting up the proper tools for rockbox development in Linux. :) |
| 23:16:46 | amiconn | Back when implementing the loader idea I had a look at the gnuboy asm cpu core (x86) |
| 23:17:03 | voltagex | Paul_The_Nerd: ok, I better get myself x-window-system as I hate lynx |
| 23:17:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 23:17:42 | amiconn | I didn't manage to understand it, as it uses a load of macros, hiding (to me) what's actually going on |
| 23:18:05 | LinusN | amiconn: i'm sure it can be further optimized, but will it ever be playable enough to be fun to use? |
| 23:18:25 | voltagex | LinusN: that's basically what I was asking yesterday. |
| 23:19:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | voltagex: They're talking about on archos, where it's considerably slower. I consider it fast enough to be fun on my H120 |
| 23:20:23 | voltagex | Paul_The_Nerd: some games are playable on the h340, like pokemon blue, nearly all gbc games run at 1-2 fps |
| 23:20:41 | voltagex | and pokemon blue runs at about 10fps |
| 23:21:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | voltagex: Well, it was originally intended as a GB emulator (the rockbox port), so the color code may have some difficulties anyway. I play turn based RPGs anyway, so 10-15 fps is fine. |
| 23:22:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I heard older games tend to run better |
| 23:22:17 | voltagex | Paul_The_Nerd: I'll be happy with pokemon for now :D, the frameskip option doesn't seem to do much |
| 23:22:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | voltagex: I believe it defaults to automatic frameskip, so generally it's not worth changing. |
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| 23:22:55 | voltagex | I've got a friend interested in RockBoy now so there might be some small patches coming in. |
| 23:23:41 | tucoz | nls, kill'em :) |
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| 23:23:47 | voltagex | and I'll have Hello World running on Rockbox soon enough :D |
| 23:24:06 | tucoz | nls, nice work on the patches btw |
| 23:24:12 | nls | oh thx |
| 23:24:33 | nls | I'm looking at oscilloscope now |
| 23:24:35 | tucoz | Did you read the discussion on button-naming earlier today? |
| 23:24:41 | nls | yep |
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| 23:24:49 | nls | I like it |
| 23:25:09 | tucoz | me too. That will make it easier to make tables. |
| 23:25:12 | nls | less \opt is a Good Thing tm |
| 23:25:31 | tucoz | And easier to have consequent naming to the buttons as well |
| 23:26:02 | amiconn | hrm, oscilloscope misses a wiki page :grumble: |
| 23:26:03 | voltagex | well, that *is* interesting. I'm over my download limit, speed limited in Windows but not in Linux |
| 23:26:21 | nls | Yes, a thought on that, maybe Left is better than LEFT etc |
| 23:26:38 | tucoz | iirc, linuxstb said he would work on the button macros ;-) |
| 23:27:05 | nls | amiconn: wanna make a short writeup? :) |
| 23:27:05 | tucoz | I think so too. Left looks prettier than LEFT somehow |
| 23:27:24 | crashd | urgh, im gonna have to look through the cvs history for rockboy |
| 23:28:22 | Mikachu | cd apps/plugins/rockboy; cvs2cl.pl |
| 23:28:24 | Mikachu | may help a little? |
| 23:30:46 | sharpe | wonderful... |
| 23:31:48 | tucoz | nls, I could just remove helloworld and grayscale right now if you want. Should I delete the files as well, or keep them? |
| 23:32:03 | nls | I say delete :) |
| 23:32:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno |
| 23:32:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | The plugins *do* exist |
| 23:32:19 | ohrn | the function profstart takes int current_thread as an argument, where can I find the correct value to give it? |
| 23:32:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | They just don't currently get built. |
| 23:32:22 | tucoz | But not for users |
| 23:32:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | The manual doesn't exist just for users, though. |
| 23:32:38 | Mikachu | are they helpful when making a new manual entry for a plugin? |
| 23:32:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | It also exists for new developers, or as a reference for older ones. |
| 23:32:56 | tucoz | Mikachu, not really. Then I would suggest bejeweled or a similar |
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| 23:33:43 | nls | text from helloworld :This is a plugin demo for hackers. Every programmer’s first program is the |
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| 23:33:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | There should be an "developer" build of the manual, with additional things, the things you have to crawl the wiki for currently |
| 23:33:56 | tucoz | Hmm, undecided issue. Let's say we keep them for a while, until the manual is in a presentable shape |
| 23:34:23 | nls | k |
| 23:34:31 | tucoz | In all the other aspects that is. |
| 23:34:38 | nls | ;-) |
| 23:35:23 | ohrn | hum, theres a global named current_thread, would that do? well, lets try! :) |
| 23:36:01 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, that would be nice. Like 'Rockbox - programmers reference' |
| 23:37:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: At the very least it should be a build of the manual with all sections, but it'd be nice if where available some sort of 'programmers footnotes' could be included with useful API info, or other things that could be helpful for a new programmer interested in the project. |
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| 23:37:38 | LinusN | ehum, if we can't even keep the wiki up-to-date with developer info, what makes you think we would keep a programmers reference manual up-to-date? |
| 23:38:09 | LinusN | a total waste imho |
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| 23:38:15 | tucoz | LinusN, we don't ;) |
| 23:38:24 | tucoz | at least I don't |
| 23:38:28 | Mikachu | a programmers reference to last years release |
| 23:38:29 | ohrn | just do what I do, join IRC and nag the developers untill I get kicked! |
| 23:38:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | LinusN: Absolutely fair. I'm not really talking about a programming reference manual. Just a "full" build of the manual, with the occasional extra if someone feels like it. |
| 23:38:40 | LinusN | /kick ohrn |
| 23:38:41 | Mikachu | ohrn: that doesn't work if you are the devs |
| 23:38:44 | ohrn | that makes me learn pretty quick! |
| 23:39:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just think there should always be a way to get a version of the manual that covers all the rockbox features, independent of target-specificity. |
| 23:39:15 | ohrn | hehe |
| 23:39:20 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, we could include a small 'Start hacking' section. For instance a small plugin example or something. |
| 23:40:20 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, that could probably be done (eventually) |
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| 23:40:51 | LinusN | i can write the "start hacking" section here and now: |
| 23:41:01 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org |
| 23:41:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 23:41:05 | tucoz | hehe |
| 23:41:27 | webguest69 | hard to know where to start if you come in fresh |
| 23:41:38 | LinusN | plus, if i were a developer, the last place i would look would be the manual |
| 23:41:49 | webguest69 | this is true |
| 23:42:17 | tucoz | LinusN, you are probably right. It is a _users_ manual after all. |
| 23:42:22 | LinusN | yup |
| 23:42:36 | Paprica | LinusN, could you check rockcalendar now? |
| 23:42:45 | tucoz | Which I (and everyone else) should not forget when writing it. |
| 23:43:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | I read the manual to try to learn about the features of Rockbox, in terms of what it could do, and the interface design, etc. |
| 23:43:04 | LinusN | Paprica: what about the monday issue on non-rtc targets? |
| 23:43:37 | LinusN | Paprica: also, i heard some complaints about the keyboard |
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| 23:43:59 | Paprica | yes i know |
| 23:44:06 | Paprica | i need to do little change with it |
| 23:44:11 | Paprica | (the keyboard) |
| 23:44:24 | LinusN | imho, we should work on the standard keyboard entry in rockbox |
| 23:44:31 | LinusN | and use that one in the calendar as well |
| 23:44:43 | Paprica | and about the monday, i dont know, i dont have a non rtc target, so i cant check it |
| 23:44:53 | tucoz | That I agree on. I never know where space is :) |
| 23:45:48 | Paprica | LinusN, people love the design of the calendar with the |
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| 23:45:56 | Paprica | "special"keyboard |
| 23:47:44 | tucoz | good night. |
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| 23:48:05 | lImbus | geee, that was fast |
| 23:48:46 | obo | hi - would anyone object if I spoke to the audioscrobbler guys about what kind of log file they'd want? |
| 23:48:56 | ohrn | I have a doc update... docs/TECH forgot to mention that profile_thread() is part of the plugin api |
| 23:49:02 | obo | I know one of them popped in here a little while back |
| 23:49:02 | BHSPitLappy | I would |
| 23:49:40 | ohrn | and docs/TECH doesn't discuss plugins, so it took me a while to figure out where that darn function was defined... :) |
| 23:50:43 | obo | BHSPitLappy: ?? |
| 23:50:58 | BHSPitLappy | ... don't listen to me. |
| 23:51:24 | obo | okay :) |
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| 23:51:59 | webguest69 | last I heard, they didn't like offline devices |
| 23:52:47 | voltagex | what was the cross compilers wiki link again? |
| 23:52:48 | obo | webguest69: they say they're going to relax the rules in the 1.2 protocol |
| 23:53:08 | obo | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060217.txt - 16:13 onwards |
| 23:53:43 | obo | but yes, at the mo the spam filter just eats the entries |
| 23:54:02 | webguest69 | That's interesting |
| 23:54:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 23:54:31 | webguest69 | I'm thinking they'll still require an RTC though, possibly? |
| 23:54:40 | voltagex | Paul_The_Nerd: it's not linked anywhere in the wiki is it? |
| 23:54:53 | webguest69 | ah, that's covered |
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| 23:56:35 | obo | I've written something that spits out the data (extra bits in database.c) but I don't know if anyone else already has this covered? |
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| 23:57:24 | obo | am I right in thinking rockbox doesn't have a localtime function? |
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| 23:58:33 | webguest69 | What would you want of it? |
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