00:00:14 | lostlogic | and then 481 should go bye bye |
00:00:37 | preglow | lostlogic: yup, just trying to cut down on gcc 4.1 warnings in case we go 4.1 some day |
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00:01:22 | lostlogic | preglow: actually on coldfire it's faster (on older GCC) to do it with *buf = asdflkjas; buf++ so do it that way if you're changing, I probably made that change for that reason but accidentally left the * in there for no good reason |
00:01:29 | sharpe | that was quite strange... |
00:02:08 | sharpe | yay for power being out for two hours when you get home... |
00:02:10 | goffa__ | curious... what does the endian defines do for us? |
00:02:11 | BarretJ | linuxstb: doesnt work |
00:02:25 | preglow | lostlogic: why would that be faster? both should be optimised down to a post-increment |
00:02:26 | Paprica | preglow, thanks fo the help, i'll try again tomorrow, when i'll less nervous |
00:02:31 | BarretJ | linuxstb: and i dont think the ipod is frozen, since the screen dims after some inactivity |
00:02:34 | amiconn | lostlogic: Really? I'd expect *buf++ = something to be faster. Would use the post-increment indirect addressing. |
00:02:34 | preglow | Paprica: doens't work out? |
00:02:52 | preglow | amiconn: both cases should use that, unless gcc is truly braindead beyond all hope |
00:02:55 | Paprica | no.. |
00:02:59 | BarretJ | fsck it, i'll just hard reboot |
00:03:02 | Paprica | i'll try again tomorrow |
00:03:05 | preglow | Paprica: do so |
00:03:21 | amiconn | preglow: gcc someties *is* braindead. Remember my move-around-registers sequence? |
00:03:29 | preglow | yeah, i know gcc is all too well |
00:03:39 | preglow | i've seen some pretty foolish things |
00:03:43 | preglow | it's _far_ too free with the stack |
00:03:57 | preglow | but anyway |
00:04:04 | preglow | i don't think optimising like that is a good idea |
00:04:29 | preglow | what is a good idea on one platform is a bad one on another one |
00:04:30 | amiconn | I'd think *buf++ = something is a common thing |
00:04:37 | preglow | better to just write c code like you ordinarily would |
00:04:42 | amiconn | yes |
00:05:00 | * | amiconn usually prefers pointers over arrays anyway |
00:05:10 | preglow | depends on what i do |
00:05:20 | amiconn | Yes of course |
00:05:32 | preglow | i usually prefer pointers because i think they're easier to use |
00:05:33 | lostlogic | amiconn: gcc is brainded |
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00:06:28 | lostlogic | for *buf++ = asdlfkjasdf; it does r0 = r1; r1++; *r0 = asdlfjasdflj; |
00:06:36 | lostlogic | I shit you not. |
00:06:48 | lostlogic | ermh make those 'a' not 'r' in this case |
00:07:17 | preglow | ahahah |
00:07:24 | preglow | it's a miracle the codecs run at all |
00:07:26 | preglow | it truly is |
00:07:39 | lostlogic | preglow: my local vorbis is optimized around that behavior :-P |
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00:08:30 | preglow | the gcc people told me they'd work on coldfire |
00:08:37 | preglow | but so far i haven't seen anything |
00:08:43 | lostlogic | so, what does it produce on 4.1 for same code? :) |
00:08:53 | preglow | i don't know, perhaps i should give it a spin |
00:09:00 | preglow | when it even agrees to compile, that is |
00:09:04 | lostlogic | haha |
00:09:09 | preglow | which is another thing the gcc people are telling me they'll fix |
00:09:33 | goffa__ | wow... looks like the maytag man shouldn't have been slacking on the job |
00:09:40 | goffa__ | whirlpool bought maytag |
00:10:39 | amiconn | lostlogic: Remember this one: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060320.txt at 19:59? A jewel from devcon... |
00:12:07 | preglow | they even tell me 4.1 has seen some coldfire work |
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00:12:45 | * | amiconn would like to be able to even build m68k-elf-gcc on amd64 :( |
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00:14:31 | preglow | god, me too |
00:14:38 | preglow | i'd really enjoy that |
00:14:43 | preglow | bargh, they've only put in fpu support |
00:14:47 | preglow | that's all they've done performance-wise |
00:15:05 | preglow | lostlogic: you wouldn't happen to have a list of stupid shit gcc has done? :> |
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00:17:45 | lostlogic | preglow: not using register indirect post inc addressing and not using addq are my two favorites |
00:18:20 | lostlogic | oh, and this applies to other arches too, I think, moving data from register to register for fun, and ignoring practical scope limitations causing major register waste |
00:19:20 | preglow | i've seen it moving values to and from the stack for fun |
00:19:27 | preglow | seeing that has almost always left me in a high rage |
00:19:44 | lostlogic | amiconn: ah yes, <3 gcc |
00:20:38 | preglow | this _almost_ makes me want to dig into gccs backend internals |
00:20:43 | preglow | however, i am not completely insane yet |
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00:21:01 | lostlogic | I think it may be a hobby of mine to pick on other people's software... I spent the past 2 days of my life hunting down a bug at work... that turned out to be in the apache weblogic module... involving a failure to use the _clearly defined_ cookie parsing logic and thereby breaking certain cases of cookies vs. session cookies |
00:21:04 | preglow | i don't expect to reach that level for a couple of weeks time yet |
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00:21:25 | [IDC]Dragon | goodnight! |
00:21:28 | preglow | night |
00:21:38 | goffa__ | so where's every one from? |
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00:21:47 | preglow | varies wildly |
00:21:48 | preglow | i'm from norway |
00:21:55 | goffa__ | montana here |
00:21:56 | lostlogic | Chicago, USA |
00:22:05 | preglow | mostly europeans here, though |
00:22:10 | preglow | with the odd american now lately |
00:22:11 | goffa__ | dragon must be overseas too |
00:22:11 | preglow | heh |
00:22:15 | preglow | german |
00:22:27 | lostlogic | goffa__: the project was founded in Sweden |
00:22:32 | lostlogic | so we are overseas, not them |
00:22:33 | lostlogic | ;) |
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00:26:33 | goffa_work | hmm.. connection at home seems to have died |
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00:27:53 | * | Febs tries unsuccessfully to think of something funny to say about "odd americans." |
00:27:54 | goffa_work | but i guess you could say i'm overseas :) |
00:28:16 | goffa_work | i know a lot of odd americans |
00:28:17 | lostlogic | goffa__: 16:22 < lostlogic> goffa__: the project was founded in Sweden |
00:28:17 | lostlogic | 16:22 < lostlogic> so we are overseas, not them |
00:28:31 | goffa_work | saw that.. then i died |
00:28:35 | lostlogic | ah, gotcha |
00:28:53 | preglow | sounds traumatic |
00:29:03 | goffa_work | hope its not :) |
00:31:07 | * | preglow looks at m68k.c |
00:31:14 | preglow | the first thing i notice is mixed tabs and spaces |
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00:43:18 | amiconn | Hmm, the 'no rockbox dir' message makes no sense in .lang |
00:43:33 | amiconn | If there is no .rockbox directory, the message can't be localised... |
00:44:39 | preglow | correct |
00:45:22 | * | amiconn cuts that |
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00:47:12 | YouCeyE | how to save the config files before upgrade? |
00:47:22 | YouCeyE | how to restore the old config? |
00:48:32 | goffa_work | is there only 1 central config file to back up? |
00:48:54 | YouCeyE | just the general settings |
00:49:06 | YouCeyE | like song resume on |
00:49:07 | YouCeyE | etc |
00:49:17 | Febs | Main menu −−> Manage Settings −−> Write .cfg file |
00:49:24 | YouCeyE | k |
00:50:06 | Febs | To restore: Main menu −−> Manage settings −−> Browse .cfg files. Or, navigate to the config file and "play" it. |
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00:51:23 | webguest05 | YouCeyE, manual here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualMainMenu#Write_cfg_file |
00:51:27 | preglow | time for bed |
00:51:28 | preglow | gnighht |
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00:59:18 | warthawg | on a nano, how do i boot into apple os after installing rockbox? |
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01:01:11 | vca | warthawg: i'm pretty sure you hold MENU during boot, but i'm going from memory here |
01:01:35 | vca | it should be answered in the nano rockbox FAQ |
01:01:42 | warthawg | ok, thanks |
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01:06:44 | Moos | Good night all ! |
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01:19:37 | amiconn | Okay. Now I need the perl magic... |
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01:24:15 | dpassen1 | When did the quickmenu change? |
01:24:38 | amiconn | YOu mean when it was uglified? |
01:24:43 | amiconn | Ask midkay... |
01:24:50 | * | amiconn goes to bed... |
01:24:53 | midkay | amiconn, fu. ;) |
01:24:59 | dpassen1 | Uglified as in arranged vertically with absolutely no obvious button for each option? |
01:25:09 | midkay | dpassen1, that was a few weeks ago. |
01:25:20 | dpassen1 | Just updated my build for the first time in quite a while |
01:25:26 | midkay | dpassen1, can you not see the >> << and downwards icons? |
01:25:46 | XavierGr | midkay why did you changed it anyway? |
01:26:24 | midkay | XavierGr, to fix a bug with overlapping text in some languages. and it's far from finished. i have an 80% done much-better-looking version sitting here, just haven't got around to finishing it quite yet.. |
01:26:38 | XavierGr | ah ok nice to know |
01:27:16 | midkay | dpassen1, just for my information - do you or do you not see the icons in the quickscreen? |
01:27:19 | dpassen1 | midkay: Nope, don't see |
01:27:27 | dpassen1 | This isn't the latest build |
01:27:32 | dpassen1 | Plus I have two patches |
01:27:38 | midkay | dpassen1, ah, kind of weird. seems like a common-ish bug.. but i have a way around it anyways. |
01:27:55 | dpassen1 | I remember the buttons, so its not a large problem for me |
01:28:29 | midkay | dpassen1, probably is for a number of people.. i happen to see the icons which is rather weird though... |
01:28:38 | amiconn | midkay: I hope to get around throwing together that perl script. Then I'll commit my .lang rework. I'm done with english.lang now :) |
01:28:46 | midkay | anyways, i'll put an update in CVS maybe today or very soon.. |
01:28:54 | dpassen1 | midkay: Ill quickly try a bleeding edge build? |
01:29:06 | midkay | dpassen1, no need - it hasn't changed since i committed it a few weeks ago.. |
01:29:10 | dpassen1 | Oh, ok |
01:29:18 | dpassen1 | This is on a 120 for the record. |
01:29:19 | midkay | amiconn, great. what script? |
01:29:35 | midkay | dpassen1, i'm only able to test it on an archos recorder, so.. possibly that's it.. |
01:29:37 | amiconn | midkay: The quickscreen look can be vastly improved which viewports (post-3.0 stuff) |
01:30:00 | midkay | amiconn, yeah, but i'd like to "fix" them as much as possible before that.. |
01:30:12 | dpassen1 | Be interesting if anyone else can verify other models |
01:30:15 | amiconn | midkay: The script that adapts all non-english .lang files to the reworked english.lang |
01:30:29 | amiconn | Or rather, has to adapt |
01:30:44 | midkay | amiconn, oh, cool.. sounds a bit tricky, but i'm sure you can handle it :) |
01:30:51 | amiconn | It's not yet written, and I would prefer a perl expert around which I can ask |
01:31:10 | amiconn | But I have to sleep now... |
01:31:45 | XavierGr | goodnight amiconn |
01:31:49 | midkay | night amiconn :) |
01:31:54 | midkay | amiconn, sounds cool though :) |
01:31:59 | midkay | good luck |
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01:51:56 | Doomed_zZz | hey |
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02:02:22 | scottder | weird, sometimes when I plug in to my car charger/fm transmitter in my car...my ipod comes on in rockbox and says "cleared" and I lose all my settings :( |
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02:08:01 | lostlogic | scottder: save a config file in manage settings so you can restore, I've seen the same, don't know the cause yet |
02:10:12 | scottder | ugh hard to manuver around the filename entry |
02:12:29 | scottder | got it, thanks lostlogic |
02:12:35 | linuxstb | scottder: Do you have the hold switch on? |
02:12:46 | midkay | scottder, it's the hold switch.. |
02:14:12 | scottder | No....just figure out what is what :) |
02:14:55 | * | scottder hopes they get doom workin on the Nano :) |
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02:16:15 | * | linuxstb hopes they do as well, whoever they are. |
02:17:34 | scottder | the neboulous "they" |
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02:28:59 | * | lostlogic gets distracted from track skipping and messes with crossfade code instead |
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02:40:34 | scottder | Is there a way to adjust the amount of crossfeed? |
02:40:45 | scottder | (not crossFADE) :) |
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02:43:36 | lostlogic | I think preglow was working on that... but I don't think so at this time |
02:44:17 | scottder | That'd be cool...the default setting cuts into the volume a bit much |
02:44:22 | scottder | at least for my taste :) |
02:44:37 | scottder | course I can just use the crossfeed in my headphone amp |
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02:55:31 | sharpe | how about... they're 'odd'? |
02:55:38 | sharpe | hmmm... |
02:55:41 | sharpe | i'm really bored. |
02:55:47 | sharpe | back to work. |
02:56:10 | DBordello | crossfeed, intresting |
02:59:19 | scottder | Yeah |
02:59:40 | scottder | esepcially good for early stereo recordings with really hard left/right seperation |
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03:00:06 | DBordello | ah, i was just reading about it |
03:00:50 | DBordello | Anybody around that i can talk to about becoming a build server? |
03:02:09 | sharpe | teehee. you said build. and server. |
03:03:16 | DBordello | you lost me |
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03:04:23 | jd|uni | hey guys |
03:04:50 | DBordello | hi |
03:04:54 | sharpe | i'm out of it today. |
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03:06:49 | sharpe | i must still say the same things that get no response. |
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03:23:17 | jd|uni | perl q.. why does this keep printfing "Page 23" print "\nPage ",($line_count%23)+1 ($line_count does get incrememneted correclty) |
03:23:35 | DBordello | Does anybody have foobar2000 0.83? |
03:23:41 | jd|uni | oops.. im a dill |
03:24:33 | dpassen1 | DBordello: I do |
03:25:31 | DBordello | dpassen1, wanna help me out :) |
03:26:16 | scottder | 0.9 is quite nice |
03:26:17 | scottder | :) |
03:26:36 | dpassen1 | 0.9 will be nice when there's an ASIO output |
03:28:27 | DBordello | ASIO? |
03:28:34 | DBordello | i run linux, i just want to give foo_pod a shot |
03:28:46 | DBordello | see if it can overcome this wierd 46 character limit |
03:28:53 | dpassen1 | Audio Stream Input Output |
03:29:39 | DBordello | ah |
03:30:23 | dpassen1 | DBordello: http://www.rjamorim.com/rrw/foobar2000.html |
03:30:58 | DBordello | thanks |
03:31:12 | dpassen1 | I knew I had that link somewhere |
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03:32:14 | scottder | I never heard enough difference with ASIO to make a difference |
03:32:28 | dpassen1 | It gives me that warm fuzzy placebo feeling ;-) |
03:32:30 | jd|uni | how do u do integer division in perl? i dont want the decimal places..? |
03:32:37 | scottder | hehe |
03:32:44 | scottder | Tried kernel streaming? |
03:32:45 | scottder | :) |
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03:32:55 | scottder | Like ASIO with half the calories |
03:32:56 | scottder | :) |
03:33:44 | dpassen1 | Isn't Kernel Streaming a hack providing ASIO-like bypassing of the kernel mixer? |
03:34:34 | dpassen1 | I don't see any advantage to using Kernel Streaming |
03:34:47 | dpassen1 | Either way, I'm out. |
03:37:41 | DBordello | why would ASIO be useful to anybody but people recording? |
03:44:16 | scottder | mainly for when one wants to bypass the windows mixer...some feel it degrades sound |
03:44:22 | scottder | me I have never really heard a difference |
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03:52:29 | unhcr | hey deos anyone here work on the x5? |
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04:11:49 | Doomed9 | hey |
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04:46:09 | biffhero_ | jd|uni: example, please. Are you trying to round, to truncate, or to be fast? |
04:46:44 | sharpe | that was like so thirty minutes ago. |
04:46:56 | biffhero_ | oh, sorry |
04:47:01 | sharpe | :D |
04:47:04 | biffhero_ | is he gone? |
04:47:08 | sharpe | yeah. |
04:47:25 | biffhero_ | oh, yeah, I missed that line. the bold escaped my brain |
04:47:31 | sharpe | heh |
04:48:10 | biffhero_ | well, just the same, use "man perlfunc" /integer you lazybones! |
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04:49:35 | Doomed9 | anything new with tag cache? |
04:50:40 | biffhero_ | you can't do tag cache in the ether. it has to be done either on disk or in ram. ether is on track for next week |
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05:12:12 | ipod5G60Gb | is there a program that converts your music so that both appleos and rockbox reconzige it? called foobar2000 or something? |
05:12:23 | DBordello | yup |
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05:13:04 | ipod5G60Gb | is that it? i did a search on google and it pulled up a windows mp3 player |
05:13:12 | DBordello | yup |
05:13:27 | DBordello | it has some plugin that can generate a ipod database for the apple os based on what you have on your ipod |
05:13:30 | DBordello | people ahve had mixed results |
05:13:36 | DBordello | the plugin is foo_pod |
05:15:13 | ipod5G60Gb | ok, so d/l the foobar and look into the plugins, is it a seperate plugin or included the package? |
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05:21:43 | BHSPitLappy | I've used foo_pod before |
05:22:02 | BHSPitLappy | but how does it make the music compatible with both retailos and rockbox? |
05:22:17 | ipod5G60Gb | dont know |
05:22:33 | BHSPitLappy | I'm not sure I understand what it does... |
05:22:34 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, a word of warning - didn't work for me. |
05:22:45 | DBordello | rockbox just browses the directory structure |
05:22:54 | BHSPitLappy | anyway, yeah, you install foobar and then extract the separate foo_pod files to the plugins folder |
05:22:56 | DBordello | retail needs a database relating to the directory structure |
05:22:56 | ipod5G60Gb | of the ipod |
05:23:05 | DBordello | foo_pod creates the structure |
05:23:14 | BHSPitLappy | DBordello: so, foo_pod uses your existing folder setup? |
05:23:17 | DBordello | yes |
05:23:23 | DBordello | it just builds the db, nothing else |
05:23:28 | BHSPitLappy | that's interesting... |
05:23:41 | BHSPitLappy | I've only used foo_pod to pull music off |
05:23:56 | BHSPitLappy | does it freak out when you plug the ipod back into itunes? |
05:25:26 | DBordello | hmmm, don't :) |
05:25:33 | DBordello | but, i think the easiest way to do this now |
05:25:45 | DBordello | is to put your music on using itunes, and then use tag cache in rockbox |
05:25:49 | DBordello | both will behave the same |
05:26:02 | ipod5G60Gb | wait so explain this...new to me |
05:26:49 | DBordello | do you perfer the directory structure or the database |
05:26:53 | DBordello | to browse your music |
05:27:48 | ipod5G60Gb | i want both worlds if possible |
05:28:18 | DBordello | in rockbox, which do you perfer |
05:28:20 | ipod5G60Gb | thats what i like about RB other than that i see few reasons for running RB |
05:28:43 | midkay | ipod5G60Gb, i haven't heard any success stories about foo_pod, and i tried it myself and failed.. |
05:28:52 | midkay | ipod5G60Gb, at least for the 5G. |
05:29:17 | ipod5G60Gb | ok, thanks, i read that same statement in a furom while looking to D/l it...so |
05:29:26 | midkay | don't waste your time |
05:29:29 | ipod5G60Gb | ok |
05:30:29 | ipod5G60Gb | well is it possile to have both worlds boot retail like normail and use my music and boot RB and file direct browse through it that way? what is tag chache? |
05:30:54 | midkay | ipod5G60Gb, the apple firmware is bootable, sure. |
05:31:01 | midkay | just hold MENU right after you turn on your ipod. |
05:31:07 | midkay | should load to default firmware. |
05:31:35 | midkay | tagcache is available in the menus.. scans your disk for music and lets you browse it similar to the apple firmware (artists, albums, etc). |
05:33:31 | ipod5G60Gb | ok |
05:33:45 | ipod5G60Gb | do any of you run podzilla |
05:34:05 | midkay | rarely, but yes.. |
05:36:11 | ipod5G60Gb | cool, so i nuked my ipod and a linux partion and am running all three programs. If i put the music back on via itunes will i be able to view the music through RB and PZ2 or is this possible |
05:36:22 | ipod5G60Gb | sorry, installed a linux par |
05:36:51 | midkay | both ipodlinux and rockbox can play the music loaded via itunes, in a way. |
05:37:03 | midkay | only through rockbox's tagcache can you play what you want easily, though. |
05:37:16 | midkay | since itunes renames them all to random characters and stuff. |
05:38:29 | ipod5G60Gb | yeah, thats what i heard, ok well i didnt want to transfer all 35 gigs of music back on before i knew i was doing it right |
05:40:54 | BHSPitLappy | DBordello: I don't think the tag viewer works... |
05:41:33 | ipod5G60Gb | i loaded PZ2, and RB this morning so i am a newbie, but am I right in saying PZ2 doesnt not play music but plays games and apps? |
05:41:42 | DBordello | BHSPitLappy, huh? |
05:41:53 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, the 'tag viewer'? |
05:41:57 | BHSPitLappy | "[DBordello] is to put your music on using itunes, and then use tag cache in rockbox" |
05:42:08 | midkay | indeed it works. |
05:42:31 | midkay | ipod5G60Gb, PZ2 only really seems to have games/crap at the moment. i haven't figured out audio playback, nor do i really want to, it's so slow.. |
05:43:11 | ipod5G60Gb | haha, i wanted to play around with the ines, and idoom. havent figured out either so far |
05:43:23 | midkay | idoom isn't 5g-compatible, 'not yet'.. |
05:43:29 | midkay | nor do i believe is ines. |
05:44:53 | ipod5G60Gb | haha great, so im SOL i had thought i had seen idoom on a 5G on google video |
05:45:24 | midkay | google video has a ton of losers playing doom on their nano like they're special, but no, last i heard (maybe a week ago), idoom isn't quite working yet.. |
05:46:12 | ipod5G60Gb | isnes seems like it would be impossbile to navigate buttons would be redicoulus, but a cool idea, and the fact the programers want to take there time is no concern of mine |
05:46:50 | ipod5G60Gb | im bummed about idoom however |
05:46:57 | midkay | ipod5G60Gb, well, iirc ines/whatever emulates buttons with the wheel also.. |
05:47:19 | midkay | e.g. touching it at a 45 degree angle from the right/next track button would be read as "A" or something. |
05:47:33 | midkay | and 135 degrees, B.. stuff like that. |
05:47:36 | ipod5G60Gb | yeah, i read that the ipod 5g has 8 buttons |
05:48:11 | midkay | you could emulate about a hundred, but it wouldn't be very fun. :) that's how it works, as far as i know.. |
05:50:22 | ipod5G60Gb | no that would be more work than it worth |
05:51:22 | midkay | well, it's not much coding work.. just a pain in the ass for users.. :) |
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06:38:10 | unhcr | hey is anyone here working on the iaudio x5 port? |
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06:38:57 | JdGordon | unhcr: u gota wait around for LinusN |
06:39:11 | midkay | unhcr, not atm, but if you have any questions, maybe you could ask.. |
06:39:36 | unhcr | i watned just to know |
06:39:39 | Doomed9 | hnm |
06:39:40 | unhcr | how to go about |
06:39:49 | unhcr | compiling the album art patch |
06:40:05 | JdGordon | download the source, patch the source, compile |
06:40:06 | JdGordon | bingp |
06:40:16 | JdGordon | nothignspecial in that resspect for the x5 |
06:40:27 | unhcr | okay |
06:40:31 | unhcr | wait |
06:40:34 | unhcr | dont i have to do something |
06:40:38 | unhcr | cause of the new feature |
06:40:42 | unhcr | that had screwed it up |
06:40:44 | unhcr | and it wasnt wokring |
06:40:59 | midkay | do you need to press enter every three words or so? :) |
06:41:08 | unhcr | yah sorry |
06:41:17 | JdGordon | um.. ye, but its not gonna work on the x5 if its not working on other targets |
06:41:22 | midkay | we're not going to run away if there's not a constant stream of words or anything, btw.. |
06:41:23 | JdGordon | i mena, if its not working in general |
06:41:26 | midkay | :) |
06:41:32 | * | JdGordon might! |
06:41:41 | midkay | well, JdGordon's weird like that. |
06:42:27 | unhcr | hmm i cant download |
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06:42:36 | unhcr | the daily build of the iaudio so i cant do it lol |
06:44:13 | unhcr | can you help me |
06:44:18 | unhcr | like compile it and stuff |
06:44:29 | unhcr | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 do i download the latest patch all the way on the bottom |
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07:01:37 | preglow | midkay: yo, you broke the pitch screen behaviour |
07:03:15 | midkay | preglow, yo, in what way? |
07:04:53 | preglow | midkay: it doesn't snap back when you press the sideways keys, then release them |
07:05:00 | preglow | midkay: it used to be that way before for a reason |
07:05:09 | midkay | preglow, that's intended.. what reason was that? |
07:05:14 | preglow | namely dj use |
07:05:17 | preglow | beatmatchinh |
07:05:20 | preglow | beatmatchinG |
07:05:33 | midkay | add two percent temporarily? i see absolutely no point.. |
07:05:35 | preglow | the whole screen looks like it does for dj use |
07:06:18 | midkay | with the irivers and ipods, anyways, it takes a few seconds for the changes to take effect due to the buffer size.. |
07:06:30 | preglow | well, yeah, but you broke it for archos as well |
07:06:49 | midkay | so.. it should function differently on archos? makes little sense.. |
07:06:56 | preglow | we should make another pitch setting for the settings screen anyway and not rely on that screen |
07:07:12 | midkay | preglow, 'settings screen'? |
07:07:13 | preglow | this isn't even saved |
07:07:23 | midkay | that is also intended, it never was before.. |
07:07:33 | midkay | apparently saving of that setting is unwanted. |
07:07:38 | preglow | exactly |
07:07:46 | lostlogic | preglow: are you back up again?! |
07:07:55 | preglow | lostlogic: unfortunately :/// |
07:08:00 | midkay | the problem is that 0.1% steps are mandatory and that takes unbelievably forever to adjust in a standard settings menu. |
07:08:11 | lostlogic | damn, that sucks dude... thought you hit the hay a bit early last night. |
07:08:26 | preglow | midkay: yup, some settings acceleration would be sweet |
07:08:31 | midkay | which is why i made left/right actually add/subtract 2% instead of just temporarily.. |
07:08:40 | preglow | midkay: but yeah, the old screen was the way it was for a reason, it's unusable for that purpose now |
07:08:46 | lostlogic | and now, I sleep. |
07:08:50 | preglow | lostlogic: gnight |
07:08:53 | midkay | i think quick adjustment is way more important than simply adding or subtracting 2%. why just only 2%? |
07:08:57 | midkay | night lostlogic |
07:09:05 | lostlogic | night |
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07:09:28 | preglow | midkay: because you need small adjustments fast for mixing |
07:09:47 | preglow | get two units and try it to find out :) |
07:09:58 | preglow | and btw, there is a way to make the latency of those settings way less |
07:10:13 | midkay | what kind of mixing? it's such a small step.. besides, you can do the same thing about as easy - just tap right to add 2% and instead of "releasing" to go back 2, press left. |
07:10:36 | midkay | preglow, i don't doubt it, but i didn't want to dig around for any of that.. |
07:11:07 | preglow | midkay: it's pretty easy, we do it for the eq screen, gimme a sec |
07:11:27 | midkay | preglow, ah, "way less" then as in still a few seconds.. hmm.. |
07:11:42 | preglow | pcmbuf_set_low_latency(true) |
07:11:50 | midkay | cool. |
07:12:15 | preglow | i don't like that solution at all, but it's all we've got until we rework the playback system to something a bit more low latency |
07:12:27 | midkay | ah well, i guess.. |
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07:13:02 | unhcr | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 do i download the latest patch all the way on the bottom |
07:14:03 | midkay | i just don't think that the number of archos users, running rockbox, who even USE the pitch screen, less for DJ capabilities, less who need INSTA-change of a small set amount warrants changing the functionality - it's just about as easy to press left as to release right.. |
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07:14:18 | midkay | unhcr, why not? |
07:14:24 | midkay | it's the latest.. |
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07:15:14 | unhcr | okay |
07:15:17 | unhcr | how do i compile it though |
07:15:18 | preglow | midkay: but ok, that screen is unusable for that purpose now anyway, why just not remove it and make a regular setting to cut down some code bloat? |
07:15:22 | unhcr | with the x5 firmware im new im soryr |
07:15:37 | midkay | preglow, because it takes forever to adjust with a standard menu. believe me, i wanted to do it that way. |
07:15:47 | midkay | code bloat? the pitch screen is like.. 40 lines.. |
07:15:57 | preglow | which is less than ordinary settings code |
07:16:04 | midkay | versus probably 15-20 overall to use a standard menu. |
07:16:18 | midkay | oooh, my god, 20 more lines to be able to adjust it considerably easier. :) |
07:16:20 | preglow | the right way to do that would be to add some button acceleration code |
07:16:26 | preglow | a ton of other settings would love that as well |
07:16:27 | midkay | that'd be way more than 20 lines.. |
07:16:29 | preglow | so please do it :> |
07:16:38 | midkay | preglow, feel free - i don't know how. :) |
07:16:41 | preglow | nah, not much |
07:16:42 | unhcr | how do i compile it though |
07:16:55 | B4gder | unhcr: what docs have you tried reading? |
07:17:13 | midkay | B4gder, none, i think. he just wants the album art patch on his X5.. |
07:17:14 | preglow | yeah, but please consider asking people before you change behaviour that's been static for a year or two |
07:17:25 | preglow | some people might easily have been depending on the old behaviour |
07:17:30 | preglow | and i for one see now reason to break it |
07:17:37 | preglow | s/now/no/ |
07:17:41 | B4gder | unhcr: 1) build a full rockbox 2) apply the patch and rebuild 3) profit |
07:17:54 | midkay | preglow, the number of archos users who use the pitch screen, much less for DJing, much less who will complain about releasing right as opposed to tapping left... i haven't heard of any complaints yet, i didn't realize it was such a big deal. |
07:18:57 | preglow | tapping left isn't as fast |
07:19:04 | unhcr | okay b4gder |
07:19:07 | unhcr | can you tell me how to do that |
07:19:09 | midkay | basically, now instead of releasing right we tap left, but we can also adjust the actual value way quicker, and we don't need to have our finger on RIGHT for however long it takes. |
07:19:10 | unhcr | i need an FAQ |
07:19:11 | unhcr | or something |
07:19:27 | unhcr | no one on the forums wants to do it and i want the album art and i know itll work |
07:19:31 | midkay | preglow, and how useful is a hardlocked +/- 2%? |
07:19:36 | preglow | midkay: very, actually |
07:19:37 | midkay | i just don't see it.. |
07:19:43 | preglow | midkay: like i said, you should try beatmatching some times |
07:19:53 | B4gder | unhcr: I told you. 1) build rockbox from source 2) apply patch |
07:19:53 | midkay | i don't know what that is or why you'd try to do it.. :) |
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07:20:04 | unhcr | how do i do that |
07:20:07 | unhcr | i dont know what to do lol |
07:20:09 | midkay | nor why adding 2% temporarily would be useful.. |
07:20:16 | B4gder | unhcr: you read the docs, we have PLENTY |
07:20:19 | preglow | if the mix is off by just a smidgeon, you wnat to nudge it forward just a little bit |
07:20:33 | preglow | and for that it's nice to just tap a button gently instead of pressing right than left |
07:20:39 | preglow | which isn't exactly a precision operation |
07:21:10 | preglow | but anywho, if i'm the only one who cares, it doesn't matter |
07:21:11 | unhcr | where do i read them |
07:21:16 | midkay | preglow, maybe there's another way, let me think about it.. |
07:21:24 | unhcr | is there any way someone can do this for me |
07:21:29 | preglow | unhcr: no |
07:21:31 | B4gder | unhcr: we have a little site: rockbox.org |
07:21:45 | B4gder | stat here for example => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
07:21:49 | B4gder | start |
07:22:08 | unhcr | okay thank you |
07:22:15 | midkay | preglow, i do think it's rather pointless and i don't think i/we'd get any more complaints ;) but i'm very willing to consider yours, and i'm sorry for changing that, i wasn't aware that it was so important. i can try it on some different buttons or using a combo, or something. |
07:22:39 | preglow | midkay: that code's from before my time, i just adapteted it for swcodec |
07:23:00 | midkay | preglow, okay...? |
07:23:28 | unhcr | god ill do this tomrorw |
07:23:31 | unhcr | im going to fuck it all up |
07:23:32 | unhcr | lol |
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07:23:54 | unhcr | how long should it take me to patch my firmware with album art |
07:24:03 | B4gder | unhcr: the patch takes 1 second |
07:24:09 | unhcr | yes but i mean like |
07:24:13 | unhcr | setting up this stuff |
07:24:15 | B4gder | getting everything else up will take you hours |
07:24:23 | unhcr | :( |
07:24:27 | preglow | OH NOES |
07:24:29 | midkay | any objections to making "first keypress enables backlight" to default OFF for all targets instead of just the non-color LCDs? who decided that color LCDs should have that on by default+why? |
07:24:31 | preglow | SOMETHING THAT TAKES HOURS |
07:24:46 | preglow | midkay: zagor, i believe |
07:24:53 | midkay | he's nutso! |
07:24:57 | unhcr | when is the guy who does the x5 around |
07:25:03 | preglow | but yeah, sounds like a good idea to me |
07:25:06 | * | B4gder confirms Zagor is a "nutso" ;-) |
07:25:16 | midkay | unhcr, he's not going to compile a patch for you, i'm quite sure.. |
07:25:17 | preglow | i've got that behaviour on my clickwheel anyway :PP |
07:25:24 | B4gder | but hey, I'm stuck with him! |
07:25:26 | B4gder | *g* |
07:25:27 | midkay | preglow, haha, yeah. |
07:25:33 | midkay | B4gder, :) |
07:25:35 | unhcr | why woulndt he if he has his stuff set up |
07:25:39 | unhcr | doesnt he just have to add the patch |
07:25:41 | unhcr | ? |
07:25:42 | preglow | unhcr: because it's not his job |
07:25:45 | preglow | unhcr: and it'd waste his time |
07:25:49 | preglow | unhcr: go on, learning is fun |
07:25:54 | unhcr | hed do it in 20 second |
07:25:55 | unhcr | s |
07:26:01 | preglow | unhcr: which is besides the point |
07:26:06 | unhcr | okay god bye |
07:26:08 | midkay | unhcr, all of us "have our stuff set up". if you want a patch, feel free to do it.. we're working, not compiling for users who want patches... |
07:26:09 | unhcr | *godbye |
07:26:09 | preglow | bye |
07:26:14 | midkay | godbye!! |
07:26:36 | B4gder | and it is quite easy and fun to have it going anyway |
07:26:39 | lostlogic | midkay: I think it should default to on on h3x0 and x5 only. |
07:26:46 | midkay | lostlogic, why? |
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07:26:58 | preglow | i usually just give up whenever i want something done |
07:27:02 | lostlogic | midkay: because you can't see their screens _at all_ withou tthe backlight (at least the H3x0 for sure) |
07:27:04 | preglow | way faster than the ardeous process of learning |
07:27:13 | B4gder | I figure the reason would be that they are the totally unreadable ones |
07:27:27 | midkay | lostlogic, well, for one i think users might be a bit weirded out that their initial keypresses aren't working.. |
07:27:40 | preglow | oh, it's working |
07:27:57 | lostlogic | midkay: that's what stock firmware does on H3x0 |
07:27:59 | amiconn | moorning :) |
07:28:09 | lostlogic | (not that we should base shit on stock firmware, and why am I awake?) |
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07:28:11 | preglow | amiconn: at least you don't claim it's a good one |
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07:28:21 | midkay | for two, it seems like a rather small number of people want such functionality. i have no problem with adjusting the volume by 1 when i want the backlight on.. or moving the cursor in the browser.. |
07:28:24 | preglow | lostlogic: i was wondering that... |
07:28:29 | midkay | lostlogic, hmm.. |
07:28:36 | midkay | lostlogic, hahaha :) |
07:28:42 | amiconn | s/moorning/good morning/ :) |
07:28:44 | preglow | i just figured it was because the time is 07:28 |
07:28:55 | preglow | and going to bed now would be insane, but that's just me |
07:29:01 | lostlogic | hmm... I don't care one way or the other... I still want "Backlight Hold-Off" functionality |
07:29:28 | midkay | lostlogic, the ipod 5g's screen to me is just about unreadable except in considerable light levels, without the backlight.. and yet with it on by default i kept going wtf.. |
07:29:29 | lostlogic | preglow: good point... I should get ready for work... :-\ Europe... who thought of that. |
07:29:46 | midkay | after like 10 seeming dropped keypresses i realized the option was on for some reason.. |
07:30:07 | lostlogic | midkay: same on 5g here. I agree that for the 5g with the touch wheel interrupt turning on the backlight w/o any action the feature should be either nonexistant or at least disabled. |
07:30:30 | midkay | lostlogic, true dat :) hmm.. |
07:30:32 | lostlogic | but that's specific to the 5g. |
07:30:39 | preglow | hahaha |
07:31:23 | preglow | lostlogic: oh, and btw, you planning to commit the absolute wheel patch some day? |
07:31:38 | * | amiconn finished the first round of english.lang rework last night. |
07:31:40 | lostlogic | preglow: the one on patchtracker? |
07:31:43 | preglow | amiconn: wooo |
07:31:47 | preglow | lostlogic: yea |
07:31:56 | amiconn | Now all that's needed is a perl script that adjusts all other .lang files |
07:32:05 | amiconn | Then I can commit that stuff |
07:32:52 | lostlogic | preglow: I'm not terribly happy to go away from completely event based wheel handling... |
07:33:05 | preglow | lostlogic: no, but it could be one possible use |
07:33:15 | preglow | lostlogic: it actually makes brickmania possible to play, you see :) |
07:34:01 | lostlogic | preglow: yeah, I know, I keep meaning to experiment with some of my other ideas with the same goal, but I haven't gotten to it yet... work's been eating me lately. |
07:34:43 | midkay | btw.. 2 questions. (1) objections to a crossfade mode for track skipping only? e.g. gapless except when you change tracks manually. very nice IMO. (2) putting it before "always" in the selector menu (e.g. Off, Shuffle, Track Skip Only, Always) - this means that anyone currently having it set to 'always' ends up with it on 'track skip only' on new builds - doesn't sound too good. doesn't make sense to have it after 'always' though.. |
07:38:34 | preglow | i'd never use that on the simple grounds that it'll waste tons of battery just for the few times i skip |
07:38:42 | preglow | god, how i hate the crossfade implementation |
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07:38:56 | midkay | preglow, well, if you hate crossfade, your input is semi-useless. :) |
07:39:10 | preglow | i don't hate crossfade, i hate how we have to do it |
07:39:17 | preglow | with the 10 second long buffers and the extreme latency |
07:39:29 | lostlogic | preglow: suggestion for better impl.? |
07:39:45 | preglow | lostlogic: well, there can only be one other, and that's running two codecs in parallel |
07:39:49 | preglow | lostlogic: which probably isn't too feasible |
07:39:53 | midkay | i don't like crossfading normally.. annoying for gapless albums, just kind of ruins the flow altogether. but when i want to skip to a new track in the middle of another, i really like fading there - the music doesn't just stop and start on a new track... |
07:40:18 | midkay | i guess no input is good input.. |
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07:40:38 | lostlogic | preglow: we have voice thread... but it's way less practical to constantly switch codecs for 15s than it is to just have the 15s buffer pre decoded |
07:41:06 | preglow | lostlogic: yes, i didn't claim the alternative was the way to go :) |
07:41:09 | B4gder | the iaudiofile guys are offering a whopping 60USD bounty for an 'audio driver with BBE-like + "3D Surround" enhancements' |
07:41:24 | B4gder | PROFIT! ;-) |
07:41:26 | midkay | haha. |
07:41:27 | lostlogic | wow, that's huge. |
07:41:36 | midkay | 3d surround? um. |
07:41:37 | * | lostlogic vomits on '3d sound' |
07:41:37 | preglow | the long buffer wouldn't matter to me at all if it wasn't for the dsp latency |
07:41:44 | midkay | just add in a little.. tinny effect.. |
07:41:49 | lostlogic | preglow: ?? |
07:41:50 | midkay | voila, 60usd. |
07:41:50 | midkay | :) |
07:42:05 | preglow | lostlogic: try adjusting dsp settings at 10sec crossfade |
07:42:12 | amiconn | lostlogic: Colour sound then? ;) |
07:42:22 | lostlogic | preglow: doesn't low latency mode work even with crossfade enabled? |
07:42:23 | * | amiconn dislikes audio fade in general |
07:42:26 | midkay | just add a "3D Sound" option, when enabled overrides the user's EQ settings with some weird ones.. |
07:42:35 | lostlogic | amiconn: please, color sound. |
07:42:36 | preglow | lostlogic: yeah, and defeats the entire purpose of the long buffer in the first place |
07:42:50 | lostlogic | preglow: only while you're adjusting settings... seems a reasonable solution to me |
07:43:07 | preglow | lostlogic: sure, but what if the track changes while you're adjusting settings? |
07:43:17 | lostlogic | you don't get crossfade, gee darn zomg death |
07:43:26 | preglow | hahaha |
07:43:27 | lostlogic | (not that I use crossfade myself, I'm just sayin') |
07:43:45 | preglow | features not suddenly working is supposed to be a big deal, you know |
07:44:29 | preglow | h120: "wtf, no time for crossfade!" |
07:44:37 | preglow | user: "what the hell, rockbox sucks!" |
07:44:39 | amiconn | preglow: There's a third option that allows crossfading, doesn't run codecs in parallel, and offers low latency for sound adjustment. |
07:44:41 | preglow | h120: "kekeke" |
07:44:42 | lostlogic | ugh, can't have everything... and if I don't go to sleep, I'm not going to get up and if I don't get up, I'm not going to ever work on that track skipping synchronization related crap I've been saying I'd work on. |
07:44:48 | preglow | there's a scenario for you!!!!!111 |
07:44:52 | lostlogic | amiconn: ?? |
07:45:00 | midkay | at the least, any input on the insertion of a setting? that changes what the user had selected before. |
07:45:02 | amiconn | It means more buffering though |
07:45:39 | amiconn | Decode and crossfade into an intermediate buffer, large enough to hold data for the whole crossfade time. |
07:45:56 | preglow | isn't that what we're doing currently? |
07:45:58 | amiconn | Then apply dsp stuff shortly before actually playing the data |
07:46:03 | preglow | ahh, yeah |
07:46:09 | preglow | i'd like that |
07:46:16 | Bg3r | morning :) |
07:46:22 | preglow | but it'd double the space requirements |
07:46:27 | preglow | which i don't really care about |
07:47:10 | lostlogic | I've got a better idea... apply the DSP as the last step before the pcm buffer chunks are sent to the DMA/FIQ? |
07:47:14 | midkay | amiconn, no biggie if i add a lang string to cvs is it? |
07:47:21 | preglow | lostlogic: problem is the samples are 16 bit by then |
07:47:36 | preglow | lostlogic: we'd need to let the pcm buffer be 32 bit |
07:47:37 | lostlogic | preglow: not if we didn't DSP them before... |
07:47:41 | amiconn | preglow: What *I+ would actually like would be to cut out crossfade completely. Substantially reduced complexity with no lost functionality (for me) |
07:47:49 | lostlogic | preglow: which would be a simple case of moving where DSPing is done |
07:47:57 | lostlogic | adding complexity to the pcmbuffer but removing it from playback.c |
07:47:58 | * | amiconn always has all fades disabled |
07:47:59 | lostlogic | (which I like) |
07:48:13 | preglow | lostlogic: sure, sounds nice, but the space requirements will double, and wow, how i don't care |
07:48:22 | lostlogic | preglow: why would space requirements double |
07:48:29 | preglow | lostlogic: 32 bits > 16 bits |
07:48:50 | lostlogic | preglow: oh, right. |
07:49:01 | amiconn | midkay: If you add just one string, no. Means I have to hand-insert it here (as I'll surely get a cvs conflict) |
07:49:13 | amiconn | preglow: Why 32 bit? |
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07:49:20 | midkay | amiconn, so you don't mind? |
07:49:22 | preglow | amiconn: that's the current output format of our codecs |
07:49:59 | preglow | amiconn: if we truncate that to 16 bits in the pcm buffer, then the later dsp will see a reduction in quality |
07:50:11 | amiconn | How much? Noticeable? |
07:50:18 | lostlogic | well regardless, it's not happening now |
07:50:24 | preglow | depends on the process in question |
07:50:29 | preglow | for some, not much, for others, pretty much |
07:50:34 | preglow | lostlogic: sure ain't |
07:50:45 | amiconn | We could use 24 bit... |
07:50:52 | preglow | amiconn: don't go there... |
07:50:58 | amiconn | why? |
07:51:06 | preglow | it'll slow everything down |
07:51:12 | amiconn | Better quality than 16bit, and less space requirements than 32bit |
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07:51:56 | amiconn | I don't think 24bit is any slower than 32bit, when using dram (and optimising the access) |
07:51:57 | Mikachu | wouldn't you need to read in two longs and mask out parts and combine them in different ways depending on alignment? |
07:52:15 | preglow | yes |
07:52:20 | Mikachu | unless you can read longs non-long aligned |
07:52:27 | preglow | you can, some places |
07:52:40 | amiconn | Mikachu: coldfire can, but there's a performance penalty |
07:52:47 | preglow | amiconn: of course it is slower, on arm, you'd need to bloody read three times for every sample |
07:52:49 | amiconn | So I would avoid it |
07:52:59 | preglow | good bye block reading |
07:52:59 | amiconn | preglow: I don't think so |
07:53:14 | amiconn | You can read 3 longwords and convert these to 4 samples |
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07:53:53 | preglow | yes, and we're restricted to reading only three at a time |
07:54:00 | preglow | some places i read two, other places four |
07:54:04 | preglow | other places again, eight |
07:54:13 | preglow | depends on how many registers i have left |
07:54:45 | preglow | hah, my nano is still going |
07:54:49 | amiconn | Well, from all variants you mentioned, only reading 2 samples would be difficult |
07:54:58 | amiconn | 4, 8 etc are perfectly possible |
07:55:07 | preglow | amiconn: but leaves the pointer in a non-aligned state |
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07:55:15 | amiconn | ?? |
07:55:42 | amiconn | If I'm reading 3 longwords to retrieve 4 samples, the pointer is still longword aligned |
07:56:08 | preglow | ahh, yeah |
07:56:17 | preglow | true, true, i'm messing up |
07:56:26 | amiconn | Reading 4 samples as 32bit vs. reading 4 samples as 24 bit - no difference in pointer alignment, only that I read one longword less for 24bit |
07:56:28 | preglow | but still |
07:56:30 | preglow | let's not do this :> |
07:56:42 | amiconn | You don't even need any extra register |
07:57:07 | lostlogic | preglow: brilliant |
07:57:16 | amiconn | (but it means some bitshifting) |
07:57:18 | preglow | we'd need to change the codec output format _again_, and change all dsp code |
07:57:19 | lostlogic | let's put mention in the manual what settings temporarily disable crossfade |
07:57:31 | lostlogic | now it's a featuer, not a but |
07:57:33 | lostlogic | bug |
07:57:49 | Mikachu | that's a good way of fixing bugs |
07:57:58 | preglow | haha |
07:58:05 | amiconn | 24bit pcm might end up faster on coldfire... |
07:58:07 | lostlogic | it's one of my favorites. |
07:58:20 | preglow | lostlogic: all sounds settings but volume and panning will, then |
07:58:25 | preglow | or at least should |
07:58:40 | lostlogic | preglow: so let's just say "When changing sound settings, crossfade is temporarily disabled" |
07:58:46 | lostlogic | now it's even a single sentence bug fix :) |
07:58:52 | amiconn | preglow: ?? |
07:58:53 | preglow | on ipod you might see skips, but i guess that wouldn't change even if we were to move dsp to a latter part in the chain |
07:59:06 | amiconn | I'd think all hw sound settings don't touch crossfade |
07:59:15 | amiconn | ...i.e. volume, treble, bass |
07:59:55 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, like i said |
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08:00:00 | preglow | volume, panning, bass, etc |
08:00:02 | lostlogic | so we need a "Changing some sound settings disables the crossfade feature until the settings are complete" |
08:00:13 | preglow | aye |
08:00:18 | amiconn | Erm, but panning is software?? |
08:00:29 | preglow | it is? |
08:00:33 | amiconn | Ah, no, you mean balance... |
08:00:43 | preglow | balance/pan, same thing :( |
08:00:45 | preglow | :) < |
08:00:55 | preglow | nothing like just typing in the wrong emoticon |
08:00:58 | amiconn | Yeah, /me was confused |
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08:07:29 | Slasheri | then we need 32bit pcm buffer |
08:07:32 | amiconn | B4gder: Just a thought on langv2, regarding yesterday's idea: We'll need n:m matching of target names |
08:07:39 | Slasheri | ups, never mind |
08:08:10 | amiconn | I.e. both the target field in th .lang files and the filter needs to be able to process lists |
08:08:12 | preglow | Slasheri: yeah, and fast dsp :) |
08:08:27 | Slasheri | i just had forgotten to scroll down the log and answered to some old logs :) |
08:08:34 | Slasheri | hehe, yeah |
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08:08:45 | * | amiconn votes for 24bit pcm |
08:10:48 | midkay | hmm.. when you update rockbox and there's a new settings version or whatever and it resets everything - is the new settings struct version detected on-target and reset on-target? |
08:11:20 | preglow | it's saved in the config block |
08:11:30 | preglow | it has to match the current version in the rockbox code |
08:12:14 | midkay | so.. the new version is loaded, checks the config block version/whatever, and if it's not the same, the settings are reset? |
08:12:20 | preglow | yup |
08:12:22 | preglow | defaults all around |
08:12:33 | B4gder | amiconn: n:m ? |
08:12:49 | * | preglow definitely votes for 32 bit pcm, on the grounds of him actually having to work on it :) |
08:13:03 | amiconn | B4gder: Yes, as explained afterwards. |
08:13:26 | B4gder | I don't get it |
08:13:29 | midkay | i really think the user should be prompted to save a config file before the settings are reset, if a different version is detected.. that'd be a great feature. losing your settings inadvertently sucks.. |
08:13:31 | amiconn | We will need something like target: recv1, recv2, fmr in the .lang file, |
08:13:43 | preglow | midkay: we'll be moving to pure .cfg files |
08:13:49 | B4gder | amiconn: it's already supported |
08:13:53 | amiconn | and match that against e.g. recv1, alarmmod |
08:14:06 | midkay | preglow, that adds a nice few seconds to boot time, doesn't it? |
08:14:08 | amiconn | okay |
08:14:11 | midkay | as well as shutdown time.. |
08:14:15 | preglow | midkay: then we're doing something really wrong... |
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08:14:23 | preglow | parsing a text file sure as hell shouldn't add seconds |
08:14:29 | midkay | if it's loaded from disk, it takes a couple seconds.. |
08:14:31 | B4gder | you can make a string like "h100, h300, archos*: text" |
08:14:35 | amiconn | Well, the .cfg read could need some optimisation |
08:14:36 | midkay | and saving a CFG file from the menu takes like 5 seconds for me.. |
08:14:38 | preglow | midkay: where do you think the config secvtor comes from? |
08:14:45 | midkay | preglow, what? |
08:14:56 | preglow | midkay: the current config is also stored on disk |
08:15:11 | midkay | preglow, i thought it was in RAM.. |
08:15:15 | preglow | how can it be? |
08:15:17 | preglow | ram is cleared |
08:15:21 | midkay | or. wait. no.. |
08:15:27 | midkay | hmm. never really thought about it. :) |
08:15:29 | preglow | hahah |
08:15:33 | midkay | but. wait. |
08:15:42 | preglow | settings are stored in a special binary block after the partition table |
08:15:53 | midkay | so it's just the actual config file that takes a long time i think. you're not just writing settings, but a bunch of other stuff too.. text, etc. |
08:16:18 | preglow | well, like i said, there's no reason it should be super-slow |
08:16:28 | preglow | so if it is, we need to work on it |
08:16:29 | midkay | preglow, if it's used that way currently, you're right. |
08:16:33 | amiconn | midkay: What takes most of the time is the disk spinup. |
08:16:35 | midkay | it's not slow at all as it is now.. |
08:16:43 | midkay | amiconn, for what? |
08:16:47 | midkay | saving? |
08:17:00 | amiconn | Of your stated 5 seconds for saving a .cfg |
08:17:26 | midkay | amiconn, you're right.. |
08:17:40 | amiconn | Switching to .cfg files has multiple advantages: |
08:17:45 | midkay | always seemed to take longer than i thought.. but i just checked, with the disk on already it's only like 2 seconds or a bit less.. |
08:18:06 | midkay | amiconn, i agree that it's a nice idea :) |
08:18:06 | amiconn | - no more 'config' version which would reset settings occasionally |
08:18:14 | midkay | ah, great.. |
08:18:38 | preglow | i'm all for cfg files, but it probably will be very slightly slower |
08:18:41 | amiconn | - saving the settings in a user-visible place allows for easy clearing of settings from the PC |
08:18:47 | amiconn | (just delete the file) |
08:19:17 | midkay | right, and manual adjustment too.. |
08:19:22 | midkay | e.g. if you screw up your color settings.. |
08:19:28 | amiconn | - It would work always. The config sector approach needs two preconditions to work |
08:19:29 | midkay | but don't want to lose everything else.. |
08:20:00 | amiconn | (1) It won't work on superfloppy formatted media, as there is no partition table. |
08:20:21 | B4gder | the .cfg might not be as fun for very frequent resume position storage |
08:20:38 | amiconn | (2) If the number of sectors per track is low, the config sector might get overwritten by the computer OS accessing it |
08:21:04 | midkay | amiconn, ah.. cool. :) |
08:21:10 | midkay | sounds like a great idea - so why isn't it done already? ;) |
08:21:22 | amiconn | (the latter is *Not* made up, we actually had one such occasion with 8 sectors per track and MacOS overwriting rockbox' settings at each connect!) |
08:21:37 | midkay | mac. could have guessed. ;) |
08:21:54 | amiconn | B4gder: Yes, and that's why *some* settings will stay binary (but in an extra file, not the config block) |
08:22:11 | midkay | isn't resume position in /.rockbox/.playlist_control? |
08:22:35 | amiconn | No, that's the description how the playlist has to be rebuilt |
08:22:43 | midkay | oh.. |
08:23:26 | midkay | oh, also - what about a bmp viewer plugin, any reason it's nonexistant? considering the WPS can load/display BMP files... just nobody's done it yet? |
08:23:42 | preglow | no one done it yet |
08:23:46 | preglow | but it'll come |
08:24:00 | Slasheri | Hmm, why not to store binary data as fixed length hex string in the configuration file? |
08:24:01 | midkay | maybe i'll try it sometime.. |
08:24:01 | preglow | we might want to contemplate a multi-image viewer for the newer targets |
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08:24:11 | preglow | Slasheri: 'cause then we can't use the eeprom for it! :) |
08:24:21 | Slasheri | hmm :D |
08:24:39 | Slasheri | hehe |
08:24:57 | preglow | did you ever make that work, btw? |
08:25:02 | preglow | i remember you had some problems |
08:25:06 | Slasheri | yes, eeprom reading works fine |
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08:25:14 | Slasheri | at least it worked when i tried it the last time |
08:25:17 | preglow | tried writing? |
08:25:22 | Slasheri | not tried that.. |
08:25:36 | Slasheri | i would need to reinstall the iriver fw somehow.. |
08:25:54 | preglow | why would you need that? |
08:25:55 | Slasheri | and then modify the eeprom content to find out how iriver fw reacts |
08:25:59 | preglow | ahh, yes |
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08:26:17 | preglow | right, you're the only guy in the world with no iriver firmware, forgot about that :) |
08:26:24 | Slasheri | it would be good to find a safe location in eeprom for use with the bootloader :) |
08:26:29 | Slasheri | hehe :D |
08:26:36 | preglow | i don't think there's much space left there |
08:26:38 | amiconn | Slasheri: (1) Storing the whole .cfg just for the often-changed binary data would be overkill |
08:26:47 | Slasheri | preglow: i need only one bit |
08:26:54 | preglow | ahh, right |
08:27:16 | amiconn | (2) Using a separate file matches better the platforms where we can use true separate storage |
08:27:32 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, true |
08:27:32 | amiconn | (like the rtc ram on archos recorders, or the serial eeprom on iriver) |
08:27:33 | pinkzeppelin | Hello everybody. I own a Ipod 5G, nobody has commented on the "clicking" problem that the Rockbox firmware exhudes. I posted RMAA analysis results that show the problem in the forum here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3179.msg23124#new |
08:28:00 | B4gder | Graphs Are Good (tm) |
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08:31:11 | B4gder | pinkzeppelin: it has been discussed in here before |
08:31:24 | B4gder | I don't think anyone has any real clue yet to why they happen |
08:31:32 | preglow | pinkzeppelin: that's a wav you've used there? |
08:31:44 | pinkzeppelin | yes but it is audible even when nothing is playing |
08:31:50 | pinkzeppelin | meaning it isnt a codec, but the audio driver, apparently |
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08:32:39 | preglow | yeah, sure, i was thinking about something else i'm seeing |
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08:33:16 | preglow | but if it's a wav i'll just assume it's a minor variation in the measurement |
08:33:53 | pinkzeppelin | yes, they are waves, and i normalized them |
08:33:58 | preglow | B4gder: btw, read the new "conclusion" on the x5 highfreq issue on the forums? sounds really unlikely to me |
08:34:00 | pinkzeppelin | if that is what you were seeing... |
08:34:10 | preglow | i can't see how you can use the wrong sampling rate without hearing it |
08:34:28 | B4gder | I agree |
08:34:36 | B4gder | they just throw out wild ideas |
08:34:44 | preglow | you'd actually have to be skipping some samples when writing to the dac |
08:34:52 | preglow | which isn't really easy to do without wanting to, heh |
08:36:02 | amiconn | B4gder: Concerning voice, as you mentioned it on the ML: For easy processing, the converted output should look like today's .lang files, with just the id: and voice: lines |
08:36:19 | preglow | if someone would post a sample of how x5 audio sounds, i might be able to figure out what's wrong |
08:36:30 | amiconn | Note that it should have *all* IDs, even those without voice |
08:36:32 | B4gder | amiconn: ok, I'll fix a special option for that |
08:37:12 | amiconn | ...and it would be really nice if it would convert to a selectable encoding, instead of writing utf-8 |
08:37:26 | B4gder | gaah |
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08:37:40 | preglow | haahha |
08:37:50 | preglow | ignore that, please, and force amiconn to get a proper editor |
08:38:02 | amiconn | preglow: This has nothing to do with the editor |
08:38:18 | amiconn | The sapi speech engines seem to need whatever the default encoding on the used windows installation is |
08:38:27 | preglow | sweet... |
08:38:35 | amiconn | ...which happens to be Win1252 (~ISO8859-1) here in europe |
08:38:37 | preglow | well, perl has a nice code page translation module |
08:38:46 | Galois | windows? who needs that? |
08:38:56 | preglow | hmmm |
08:39:06 | amiconn | It's not *that* big a concern, if the perl script doesn't do that, the vbscript would have to |
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08:39:11 | preglow | perhaps i should try experimenting with festival to see if it's feasible to use as a speech synth |
08:40:05 | amiconn | ..and we already have encoding conversion functions in rockbox, which shouldn't be hard to adapt to vbscript |
08:40:57 | preglow | it's a one-liner in perl |
08:41:02 | preglow | if i could just remember how... |
08:43:36 | amiconn | Oh, and btw, since we are going for target-specific voice files anyway, there's no need to keep the bitswap for swcodec platforms... |
08:43:49 | amiconn | ...and for arm, the tables could be little endian |
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08:44:23 | preglow | yeps |
08:50:05 | * | amiconn plans to be able to just type 'make voices' in a build dir |
08:50:25 | amiconn | At least on cygwin, as the first step |
08:50:57 | B4gder | a worthy quest! |
08:52:21 | amiconn | Yes. |
08:52:57 | amiconn | It will require some configure.vbs in the voice tools folder, which scans for available voices and allows to select which ones to use |
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08:53:56 | amiconn | Then, 'make voices' would build all selected voices for that target |
08:54:35 | amiconn | You can run windows binaries and hence vbscripts from within cygwin bash, so there's no problem |
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09:04:32 | * | amiconn now has an idea how this would have to look like |
09:06:34 | amiconn | Btw, imho the manual build should work in a similar way, |
09:06:51 | amiconn | by typing 'make manual' in a build dir, instead of requiring a separate one |
09:07:07 | amiconn | It uses a sub-dir anyway... |
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09:08:13 | B4gder | the manual build needs some attention yes |
09:08:39 | preglow | ahh, yeah |
09:08:42 | preglow | that's a good point |
09:08:51 | preglow | unless it depends on any configure magixc |
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09:09:23 | B4gder | I don't think it does |
09:09:27 | B4gder | or need to at least |
09:10:27 | amiconn | In fact we could even bundle 'manual.pdf' with the full distribution .zip |
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09:12:25 | amiconn | mister master bouncer... |
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09:12:33 | LinusN | amiconn: that's me |
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09:13:16 | Bg3r | amiconn in fact i think se *should* bundle the manual with ver 3.0 |
09:13:48 | amiconn | Cassandra: are you around? |
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09:32:47 | Bg3r | XavierGr morning :) |
09:32:52 | Bg3r | B4gder here ?:) |
09:32:56 | XavierGr | Morning! |
09:32:58 | B4gder | yeps |
09:33:12 | B4gder | at least a bit |
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09:43:34 | ZDaWizzieZ | Hello? |
09:44:28 | LinusN | hi |
09:45:32 | ZDaWizzieZ | Oh, you are that guy who made audio playback work on x5? |
09:45:44 | XavierGr | yes he is! |
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09:46:07 | ZDaWizzieZ | Yea, i'll flash mine x5 once I find my usb cable... |
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09:47:46 | ZZZZZ | Anyone have a color screen of the rockbox gui? |
09:49:42 | amiconn | Wee, my mini is here now :) |
09:50:31 | amiconn | Judging from the fact that it has "4GB" written on the back, it should be a 2G |
09:50:42 | preglow | ahayhahahah |
09:50:43 | amiconn | But no time for hacking right now... :/ |
09:50:48 | preglow | the battery benchmark obviously didn't work too well |
09:50:51 | preglow | the file is almost empty |
09:50:57 | preglow | arghghh |
09:51:10 | preglow | it says it's resuming, then nothing more |
09:51:29 | XavierGr | wow you ordered a 2GB model and they sent you a 4GB one? |
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09:51:57 | amiconn | XavierGr: 2*G* not 2GB |
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09:52:03 | crashd | XavierGr: he means the fact that it has the size winscribed on the back means it's a second gen |
09:52:11 | amiconn | Minis exist in 2 generations |
09:52:11 | XavierGr | preglow: Which target |
09:52:11 | crashd | not that he got a 4gb for a 2gb :0 |
09:52:15 | XavierGr | ah ok my bad |
09:52:20 | preglow | XavierGr: nano, but it's my fault, forget about it |
09:52:38 | preglow | it's the ata sleep hack i did to make nano rockbox work |
09:52:40 | XavierGr | you did a full benchmark? |
09:52:43 | preglow | yes |
09:52:46 | XavierGr | ouch! |
09:52:49 | preglow | but nothing was written to the file |
09:52:50 | amiconn | The backlight is nice |
09:53:04 | preglow | amiconn: now for trying rockbox on it!! |
09:53:17 | amiconn | [09:50:44] <amiconn> But no time for hacking right now... :/ |
09:53:21 | preglow | make time :) |
09:53:50 | preglow | i've gotta go soon anyway |
09:53:53 | ZZZZZ | How do you do a batt bench? |
09:53:58 | preglow | not much rockbox time for me today either |
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09:58:27 | XavierGr | ZZZZZ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
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10:02:26 | ZZZZZ | thx |
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10:03:08 | bobTHC | hi |
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10:04:48 | preglow | hmm |
10:05:07 | preglow | the graph in the x5 thread seriously doesn't look like anything i'd expect my resampler to spit out |
10:05:11 | preglow | too high attenuation |
10:05:44 | B4gder | the person doing the graph didn't say he used 22Khz |
10:06:03 | preglow | he very certainly didn't |
10:06:19 | B4gder | I think LinusN misread |
10:06:29 | preglow | i'm pretty sure rmaa wouldn't measure up to 22khz if it used a 22khz wav file |
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10:14:57 | LinusN | the tlv320 data sheet sure isn't the best i've read |
10:16:46 | * | preglow has a look |
10:20:40 | preglow | it sure isn't... |
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10:24:48 | preglow | LinusN: how is the tlv clocked? |
10:25:05 | LinusN | the coldfire provides mclk |
10:25:22 | preglow | so 11.2? |
10:25:26 | LinusN | yes |
10:26:18 | B4gder | anyone figured out a way to rename a flyspray issue? |
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10:30:41 | preglow | LinusN: why is the input clock divided by two? |
10:31:00 | LinusN | funny that you asked, i was just checking that out |
10:31:17 | preglow | that'll yield exactly the problem you have now |
10:31:17 | preglow | afaik |
10:31:30 | preglow | and why isn't a sample rate set? |
10:31:48 | preglow | that is, you're currently running at 48khz |
10:31:53 | LinusN | 1) the playback was 2x too fast if i didn't divide the clk |
10:32:17 | LinusN | 2) is it clear that the sampling rate settings apply to the DAC? |
10:32:58 | preglow | applies to both adc and dac, it seems like |
10:33:29 | preglow | is there any other way to set it anyway? |
10:33:49 | LinusN | the sample rate is derived from the i2s clock |
10:34:07 | LinusN | or rather the word strobe |
10:34:15 | preglow | so, you've checked that setting a rate in the SRC reg doesn't have any effect? |
10:34:29 | preglow | i would have thought it had an effect on the oversampling filters |
10:34:30 | LinusN | i couldn't hear a difference when i set the sample rate to something else |
10:34:48 | LinusN | but then my ears aren't that sensitive :-) |
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10:34:51 | preglow | heh |
10:34:55 | preglow | spectrum analysers are your friend |
10:35:04 | preglow | i can't hear anything above 15khz myself |
10:35:39 | LinusN | anyway, i'll have a look at the mclk issue |
10:35:59 | preglow | but yeah, it sounds unlikely to me that the oversampling filter is selected based on the i2s clock |
10:36:02 | XavierGr | «Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?» |
10:36:02 | XavierGr | H. M. Warner, co-founder of Warner Brothers, 1927. |
10:36:04 | XavierGr | lol |
10:36:07 | preglow | so better set the sampling rate correctly |
10:36:36 | LinusN | i bet the filter could be way off if mclk is wrong too |
10:37:03 | preglow | the magnitude response in the forum plot looks very much like the start of an oversampling filter |
10:37:18 | LinusN | i couldn't tell :-) |
10:38:02 | preglow | the stopband attenuation is just right |
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10:38:59 | preglow | though the last part of it isn't exactly right, but heck |
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10:45:25 | preglow | but yeah, the i2s setup code is the same as on iriver, i bet, so that code should be right |
10:45:32 | preglow | which makes it a bit hard to explain how the sound can be too fast |
10:45:53 | LinusN | the coldfire can't generate a clock faster than 11.2mhz |
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10:47:41 | preglow | the clock shouldn't be anywhere near that anyway, should it+ |
10:48:50 | LinusN | it should be 11.2896MHz |
10:49:21 | preglow | okays |
10:49:53 | preglow | doesn't look like there's much point to using 48khz output on this thing, the corner frequency of the filter is the same as for 44.1khz anyway |
10:51:13 | preglow | hmm, no, it's not, but the passband looks worse |
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10:52:00 | LinusN | afaics, it sets it to an invalid rate in cvs |
10:52:28 | LinusN | 0000 isn't in the table |
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10:53:03 | preglow | no, not for 11.2 |
10:53:13 | preglow | it is 48khz for some of the other clocks |
10:53:23 | preglow | so setting that to a legal value would be a nice start |
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10:54:16 | RoC_MM | I was reading on the forums that it's possible to enable the battery indicator for the iPod. I have a 4G and can use VMWare...is it possible to patch or modify one of the source files to enabled the battery indicator? |
10:54:16 | LinusN | i'll do that |
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10:54:41 | preglow | RoC_MM: isn't enabled by default? it might not work too well, but should be anbled |
10:54:44 | preglow | enabled, even |
10:54:50 | RoC_MM | not on 4G iPod. |
10:54:52 | RoC_MM | 5G yes. |
10:54:56 | preglow | okies |
10:54:59 | RoC_MM | 4G it just displays as full always. |
10:55:10 | preglow | then we haven't got calibration values for 4g |
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10:55:50 | RoC_MM | is there a page that lists commits to iPod target? |
10:56:03 | preglow | there's a page that lists all commits |
10:56:20 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html |
10:56:31 | RoC_MM | right |
10:56:38 | RoC_MM | Thanks. |
10:57:08 | RoC_MM | Do you think calibration values will be obtained Any Time Soon for 4G? |
10:57:30 | RoC_MM | or anything I could do? |
10:58:19 | preglow | RoC_MM: sure, put a full charge on your ipod, then use the battery_benchmark plugin while letting it play a large number of files in repeat mode until it shuts down due to no power |
10:58:34 | preglow | RoC_MM: afaik, that's what's needed to calculate what we need |
10:58:47 | B4gder | wireless mice are cool enough until you sit there without batteries... |
10:59:01 | * | B4gder sits here |
10:59:17 | JdGordon | haha |
10:59:20 | RoC_MM | preglow, would doing that make the indicator start working, or provide a file I could contribute? |
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11:00:19 | LinusN | preglow: got it |
11:01:15 | preglow | LinusN: so, what was up? |
11:01:25 | LinusN | using mclk instead of mclk/2 gives more highs |
11:01:39 | preglow | how'd you compensate for the speedup, then? |
11:01:52 | XavierGr | preglow does battery_bench works for 4G Ipods? |
11:01:56 | preglow | XavierGr: no idea |
11:02:03 | preglow | linuxstb is the only one who's got one |
11:02:14 | RoC_MM | I have one! |
11:02:25 | RoC_MM | What exactly do I get or do once battery_benchmark finishes? |
11:02:41 | XavierGr | RoC_MM: If you are goint to do a battery benchmark using the plugin, test it for a couple of minutes to see if you get any output. |
11:02:45 | LinusN | preglow: the mclk input setting on the tlv320 is only for the filters |
11:03:11 | preglow | LinusN: but i thought you said you got speedy audio if you set it |
11:03:17 | XavierGr | RoC_MM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
11:03:28 | LinusN | my bad, that was the pll setting in the coldfire |
11:03:32 | preglow | ahh |
11:03:35 | preglow | well, then all is well |
11:03:44 | LinusN | so the filter is still not right |
11:04:08 | XavierGr | RoC: first let it run for 10 minutes, then if you get a file that has measured time and voltage level you can do a full benchmark. |
11:04:20 | preglow | LinusN: oh? |
11:04:23 | RoC_MM | OK. |
11:04:52 | LinusN | since the mclk output from the coldfire is fin/2 |
11:05:05 | preglow | ahhh |
11:05:15 | LinusN | i'll have to fix that |
11:05:22 | RoC_MM | preglow, It seems that doing this would give me an idea of the batteries life under normal conditions, but would it get the battery indicator working or could I contribute to that effort in any way? |
11:05:23 | preglow | but what about the sfreq setting? |
11:05:27 | preglow | did that have any impact? |
11:05:38 | XavierGr | I guess that will be the first good use of the plugin. Taking measurements to balance battery calibration values for future targets :) |
11:05:39 | preglow | RoC_MM: it would help us get the indicator working, yes |
11:05:42 | LinusN | preglow: no |
11:06:06 | RoC_MM | Where should I upload the file once I do a full benchmark (assuming it logs correctly) |
11:06:39 | XavierGr | RoC: If you do a full benchamark. And volt is measured with time then a developer can take those numbers and calibrate the battery thingy. |
11:06:44 | preglow | hmm |
11:06:45 | preglow | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
11:06:45 | XavierGr | RoC: On the wiki |
11:06:49 | preglow | you can upload it there |
11:06:53 | preglow | and tell one of us it's there |
11:06:55 | XavierGr | yeah |
11:06:56 | preglow | so we can use it |
11:07:06 | RoC_MM | OK |
11:07:37 | preglow | 4gs with 60 disks exists? or should those "4g" be "5g" in that page |
11:07:52 | preglow | 60 gig disks, that is |
11:09:01 | XavierGr | RoC: Please tell us if the plugin will manage to measure voltage and runtime. |
11:09:39 | RoC_MM | Most of my MP3's are mixed bitrates, between 128 and 256, with some 320 MP3s and a few q5 Oggs thrown in....do I need to only play one select format and bitrate for my benchmark results to be useful? |
11:09:41 | RoC_MM | OK |
11:10:23 | RoC_MM | like just one album or something? |
11:10:31 | XavierGr | well usually benchmarks are usefull on strict rules, but you can do virtually anything you like. |
11:10:49 | XavierGr | yeah, choose a specific album more than 50-60MB |
11:10:56 | XavierGr | and set to repeat |
11:11:16 | RoC_MM | ok |
11:11:26 | XavierGr | 128 kbps would be good to compare with the default firmware values |
11:11:37 | XavierGr | so does it capture voltage? |
11:11:48 | RoC_MM | only got one reading |
11:11:52 | RoC_MM | I will start it again |
11:12:52 | XavierGr | hmmm you will have to let it for some time. It will log when you ÇD is active (from idle) and the voltage has changed |
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11:13:27 | XavierGr | so play a track let it buffer and then leave it alone for 30 secs, then play another track e.t.c |
11:14:03 | XavierGr | do this for 5 times and then load another plugin (to end the benchmark) |
11:14:13 | XavierGr | and see if you got more measurements |
11:14:45 | XavierGr | if you got then I think that a full benchmark will work. |
11:15:14 | RoC_MM | ok |
11:15:17 | RoC_MM | testing |
11:16:48 | RoC_MM | weird |
11:16:50 | RoC_MM | did as you said |
11:16:52 | RoC_MM | Battery type: 1500 mAh Buffer Entries: 1000 |
11:16:52 | RoC_MM | Time:, Seconds:, Level:, Time Left:, Voltage[mV]:, M/DA:, U: |
11:16:52 | RoC_MM | 00:00:31, 00031, 100%, 10:20, 11410, 0001, - |
11:17:16 | XavierGr | 11410mV???? |
11:17:25 | RoC_MM | that's what it says |
11:17:26 | preglow | XavierGr: the scaler is dead wrong |
11:17:39 | preglow | XavierGr: but that shouldn't matter for a calibration run, i think |
11:17:50 | RoC_MM | it still only has one line |
11:17:59 | XavierGr | hmm this is what bothers me. |
11:18:02 | RoC_MM | shouldn't it have like a whole bunch of lines in the log? |
11:18:09 | RoC_MM | I played 5 tracks |
11:18:13 | preglow | XavierGr: btw, ata_disk_is_active() always returns false on nano, that'll break your plugin, yes? :P |
11:18:19 | XavierGr | yes |
11:18:20 | RoC_MM | 30 seconds or a little more each |
11:18:25 | XavierGr | but on 4G |
11:18:27 | XavierGr | ? |
11:18:30 | XavierGr | is it active? |
11:18:31 | preglow | RoC_MM: each time your disk spins up, it should add another line |
11:18:46 | preglow | XavierGr: how often does it log? |
11:19:00 | RoC_MM | so I should pick songs that aren't in that 30meg cache and will make it spinup? |
11:19:18 | XavierGr | every disk activity that occurs. Also it logs when the voltage level is changed |
11:19:34 | XavierGr | RoC:yes |
11:19:38 | B4gder | RoC_MM: run a big playlist and let it play non-stop |
11:19:56 | RoC_MM | and I'll definately get more than one line right? |
11:19:57 | preglow | XavierGr: but i don't know how to do it, the nano flash _is_ always sleeping |
11:20:11 | preglow | it goes into sleep mode just a couple of msecs after the last access |
11:20:12 | XavierGr | how is the ondio implementation? |
11:20:29 | preglow | i'll probably just have to fake that it's spinning |
11:20:35 | Bg3r | XavierGr in fact it'll log on every disk spinup *only* if there is anything for logging ... |
11:20:47 | XavierGr | Bger: Yes, my bad |
11:20:50 | preglow | that also always returns false |
11:20:54 | XavierGr | I mean that's what I meant |
11:21:07 | Bg3r | okies |
11:21:16 | preglow | so battery bench probably doesn't work too good on ondio either |
11:21:16 | XavierGr | preglow: amiconn told me that on ondio the plugin works well. |
11:21:18 | RoC_MM | Is the log needed to when I finish the benchmark? |
11:21:36 | XavierGr | yes |
11:21:37 | preglow | XavierGr: depends on if he used an mmc or not |
11:21:40 | preglow | mmcs will work |
11:21:49 | preglow | they don't always return false |
11:21:50 | RoC_MM | What should I do with the log? |
11:21:52 | preglow | for the internal flash, it does |
11:22:05 | XavierGr | post it in the wiki and tell us where to find it |
11:22:13 | RoC_MM | OK. |
11:23:26 | XavierGr | preglow any idea on this? |
11:23:52 | preglow | no |
11:24:00 | preglow | and i've gotta go for a little while |
11:24:01 | preglow | later |
11:24:23 | XavierGr | so you say that nano never returns true on reading/writing? |
11:24:27 | XavierGr | ah okay later then |
11:24:33 | RoC_MM | will do the benchmark later |
11:24:35 | RoC_MM | nite |
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11:30:35 | XavierGr | In fact I think it is time to make an H300 benchmark with my 1900mAh battery. |
11:30:55 | XavierGr | Rockbox managed to give H140 25 hours of playback with the same battery |
11:33:54 | webmind | does anyone know the battery spec of the nano ? |
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11:35:05 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes, the 4G Color/Photo came in 60GB models - I have one. |
11:35:39 | dwihno | 5g is video? |
11:35:45 | linuxstb | yes |
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11:36:51 | dwihno | are they easily scratched? |
11:37:07 | dwihno | (i.e. prone to scratches) |
11:38:03 | linuxstb | Probably easier than other DAPs (e.g. the irivers), but my 5g is still looking OK after a few months use. |
11:38:31 | linuxstb | But I think most people just keep them inside skins. |
11:39:31 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hehe, now i got tracknumbering to work :) |
11:39:58 | Slasheri | still have to deal somehow with the case where now tracknumber tags are available |
11:39:58 | dwihno | Then I have to be extra careful once I get one. (when/if) |
11:40:08 | Slasheri | -w |
11:40:10 | linuxstb | Nice - that's the most common question about tagache that I've read so far. |
11:40:10 | dwihno | My first project will be a ffmpeg port ;D |
11:40:32 | linuxstb | The whole of ffmpeg? :) |
11:41:23 | dwihno | Why not? :) |
11:41:42 | dwihno | Nah, to be honest, I don't think I'm good enough to pull it off. |
11:41:44 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Can you default to alphabetical order if there are no tags. |
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11:42:39 | linuxstb | dwihno: ffmpeg is not suited for embedded use - it's far too big and uses far too many mallocs and floating point operations. But porting individual codecs is possible (our FLAC and Shorten decoders are from ffmpeg). |
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11:43:24 | dwihno | linuxstb: well, if anyone wants to initiate a video player, the gpl player "tcpmp" might be of use |
11:44:21 | dwihno | Should be pretty non-floatized |
11:44:31 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, yep. Probably we could generate the tracknumber tags somehow while generating the database |
11:44:31 | linuxstb | Maybe, but Windows CE and PalmOS devices are normally much more powerful than Rockbox targets. It wouldn't surprise me if it's C++ as well. |
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11:45:04 | Slasheri | linuxstb: do you think i should add also composer, length, bitrate etc. tags to the tagcache? I have already added the year |
11:45:19 | XavierGr | composer for sure! |
11:45:35 | XavierGr | what will classical junkies like me will do without it. |
11:45:43 | linuxstb | Yes, I think so. It may be worth canvassing views in general about which tags should be standard in Rockbox. |
11:46:05 | Slasheri | ok, i will do that. But i will leave the UI design for some other guy then ;) |
11:47:39 | linuxstb | Personally, I would also like a tag for "type" - e.g. studio album, official live recording, bootleg live recording, demo, TV/Radio broadcast... But maybe that's a bit specialised... |
11:48:01 | Spida | does USB-charging work for iriver h3x0 now? |
11:48:46 | Spida | I only have the USB-cable, and battery voltage is to low to start the original firmware |
11:48:51 | Spida | or any firmware. |
11:49:09 | Slasheri | well, we have 10 tags now :) |
11:49:20 | Spida | usb the bootlaoder-usb mode works (which I don't understand. doesn't it check for battery-voltage?) |
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11:53:21 | linuxstb | Slasheri: Will Track Rating be something external to tagcache? |
11:54:11 | Slasheri | linuxstb: i am not yet sure what is the best way to implement it |
11:54:14 | LinusN | Spida: it just displays the voltage, nothing else |
11:54:47 | Slasheri | it could be easily integrated with the tagcache (as separate numeric tag), but somehow it must be also exportable outside the tagcache |
11:55:15 | petur | you don't want it lost when the cache is rebuild... |
11:55:31 | Jungti1234 | hi |
11:55:37 | Jungti1234 | markun? |
11:55:54 | Slasheri | linuxstb: probably i will integrate it with tagcache, as i need to create a special changelog file for all tags in future when tags can be changed inside rockbox |
11:55:56 | Spida | LinusN: so, how to I get it charged without the original charger? |
11:56:08 | LinusN | use the original firmware |
11:56:15 | Slasheri | that way regenerating the tagcache wouldn't be a problem |
11:56:57 | Spida | LinusN: I can't use the original firmware. It won't start, claiming voltage is to low |
11:57:26 | LinusN | Spida: then you must have turned off usb charging :-( |
11:57:54 | Spida | yeah. sometime I wan't to use the ueb-port. |
11:58:15 | Spida | -' |
11:58:35 | LinusN | Spida: you can use it without turning off usb charging, can't you? |
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12:00:30 | Spida | hm, not with the original firmware. |
12:01:13 | LinusN | oh |
12:02:43 | tucoz | bluebrother^, around? |
12:04:15 | Moos | LinusN: already spoted and fixed the audio problem? :) |
12:04:20 | LinusN | yup |
12:04:31 | Moos | Congrates |
12:04:32 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: yes |
12:04:51 | tucoz | bluebrother^, what do you think of ditching the use of floats for tables and figures? |
12:05:35 | bluebrother^ | I was already thinking about changing all figures as the [!h] produces warnings. |
12:05:51 | tucoz | change to what? |
12:06:23 | bluebrother^ | as a first step changing to [!ht] as latex uses this automatically. |
12:06:53 | bluebrother^ | another idea would be using floating figures so the screenshots could placed aside of the text. |
12:07:06 | bluebrother^ | I think this would be nice especially for the plugins. |
12:08:04 | tucoz | like having the text wrap around figures? |
12:08:11 | bluebrother^ | yeah. |
12:08:20 | tucoz | yes, I've also thought about that. |
12:08:39 | tucoz | but, some of the tables and figures should (imo) be placed where in the text they appear |
12:08:40 | bluebrother^ | but I need to look more close to this, I only tried the h1xx manual for now. |
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12:09:34 | bluebrother^ | don't know if this works good for targets with bigger displays |
12:10:08 | tucoz | well, we could (like we do now) have the images of the same size for all targets |
12:10:29 | tucoz | just define a width |
12:10:32 | bluebrother^ | yeah, this would be good. |
12:10:50 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i can't scroll in View ID3 Info without letting go of the wheel after every step, that must be your fault :) |
12:10:53 | tucoz | all screenshots are now of a 4 cm width |
12:11:13 | XavierGr | tucoz: how is the manual progress going? Will it catch the 3.0 release? |
12:11:30 | bluebrother^ | I think we should concentrate on the style guidelines. |
12:11:32 | tucoz | XavierGr, I would say it's progressing nicely |
12:11:57 | bluebrother^ | aside with this we could introduce a command for our pictures and use that. |
12:12:13 | bluebrother^ | so we could set the size globally. |
12:12:26 | tucoz | bluebrother^, I think I could write a mail to the dev-ml and ask the manual writers to follow the style guidelines |
12:12:46 | bluebrother^ | and later surround it with a floating environment if we decide to do so. |
12:12:56 | bluebrother^ | good point |
12:12:59 | tucoz | sounds good |
12:13:08 | bluebrother^ | but we need to work the guidelines out more. |
12:13:16 | tucoz | yes, of course |
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12:13:21 | bluebrother^ | I just moved some stufff and added my ideas ;-) |
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12:13:56 | bluebrother^ | I was playing around with the preamble yesterday also. |
12:14:10 | tucoz | What are the issues right now? Table headers, floats/non-floats |
12:14:26 | tucoz | what did you find out then? |
12:15:17 | bluebrother^ | I was playing with the headers. I think it would look great to have a heading saying "Rockbox Manual for(targetname)" |
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12:15:47 | bluebrother^ | do you think we should stick to a one-sided layout? |
12:16:11 | tucoz | Hmm, not sure. You seem to be the Latex guru around here :-) |
12:16:16 | bluebrother^ | then I'll try to adjust the headers and submit it as patch later today. |
12:16:30 | bluebrother^ | really? I haven't done latex for quite some time ;-) |
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12:17:15 | tucoz | well, it seems you know what you're talking about at least. I am glad for that. |
12:17:15 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: sorry, I need to leave for some time. cul |
12:17:20 | tucoz | cu |
12:17:29 | bluebrother^ | (1h or so I guess) |
12:17:36 | tucoz | ok ,see you then |
12:20:37 | Mikachu | lostlogic: probably the problem is near line 1100 in screens.c and a bit down |
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12:32:02 | JdGordon | ok, did some1 change something? pu need to press play twice for it to pause now |
12:32:05 | JdGordon | (h300) |
12:32:22 | LinusN | was the lcd off? |
12:32:34 | JdGordon | ye |
12:32:40 | LinusN | there you go |
12:32:57 | JdGordon | .. u finnaly add that and im used to the other way :p |
12:33:05 | LinusN | change the setting then |
12:33:17 | Spida | doesn't rockbox check the battery-voltage in bootloader-usb-mode? |
12:33:25 | Bg3r | JdGordon :) |
12:33:38 | LinusN | Spida: i told you |
12:33:56 | LinusN | Spida: it just displays the voltage, nothing else |
12:38:14 | * | B4gder pulls down the curtains |
12:38:19 | B4gder | darned light! |
12:39:18 | safetydan | Fear the daystar. |
12:39:33 | preglow | exceptionally nice weather today |
12:39:51 | preglow | about time the damn snow started melting |
12:39:56 | safetydan | if you call windy and overcast nice weather... oh wait, not all the world is London |
12:40:23 | preglow | thanked be the gods, no |
12:43:00 | XavierGr | hehe |
12:43:20 | XavierGr | I dislike much light too! |
12:44:14 | preglow | tons of light and a blue sky |
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12:44:55 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Hey does anyone know how to access the search feature on the H3xx series rockbox? |
12:44:56 | preglow | makes me want to shirk work for an hour's time and go find some nice spot in the sun to have a beer |
12:46:10 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ...is it even IN the H3xx build yet? |
12:47:24 | B4gder | what search feature? |
12:48:01 | tucoz | XavierGr, where in greece do you live? |
12:48:10 | DJ_Dooms_Day | when i had my H1xx i could bring up a search function and type in a few letters and it'd search the DB file and produce a list |
12:48:21 | XavierGr | preglow I've got Sun and Blue Sky for granted so that's why i am not very fond of it. |
12:48:39 | XavierGr | tucoz: City of Heraklion in Crete |
12:49:15 | preglow | haha |
12:49:15 | tucoz | ok. Lots of tourists there, eh? |
12:49:21 | XavierGr | yes indeed |
12:49:25 | preglow | how can you stop loving it? |
12:49:38 | tucoz | I would almost assume you speak scandinavian then |
12:49:47 | preglow | i've seen my fair share of it, but it never fails to make me happier than i was |
12:49:47 | preglow | haha |
12:49:49 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ANyone know??? |
12:49:50 | XavierGr | It's like if you are eating the same food every day. |
12:49:56 | B4gder | "Apple, the company has released an update to the iPod nano and 5th generation iPod that allows the user to set the maximum volume level" |
12:50:03 | preglow | haha, sure |
12:50:14 | preglow | but yeah, having had a hard winter helps |
12:50:17 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ok nevermind, found it |
12:50:22 | preglow | i'm beginning to grow tired of snow now |
12:50:42 | XavierGr | But I am considered "strange" for my habits. Most of the people here love Sun. |
12:50:48 | DJ_Dooms_Day | B4gder - Which means what? YOu couldn't set max vol level before? |
12:50:52 | tucoz | XavierGr, that is the same here. It's like eating the same food every day by living in Bergen. But exchange the sun and blue sky with rain and gray sky. |
12:51:13 | linuxstb | DJ_Dooms_Day: I believe it's a user-defined cap on the volume. |
12:51:27 | preglow | tucoz: trondheim was just the same... |
12:51:35 | * | preglow hugs the southern parts of norway |
12:51:49 | XavierGr | tucoz: I know what you mean. But sometimes due to much sun I like cloudy days. |
12:52:03 | tucoz | you are lucky :) |
12:52:05 | B4gder | there it is => http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303414 |
12:52:22 | linuxstb | And I saw some requested that feature for Rockbox this morning as well.... |
12:52:27 | linuxstb | s/some/someone/ |
12:52:27 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Linuxstb - Obviously, but why? |
12:52:32 | B4gder | I noticed that too |
12:52:36 | Mikachu | is there any particular reason the statusbar is hidden while inserting tracks? |
12:52:52 | linuxstb | DJ_Dooms_Day: I haven't a clue... |
12:52:59 | B4gder | DJ_Dooms_Day: there's a lawsuit against apple going on |
12:53:04 | preglow | i like the fact that disk mode hangs when it's finished charging |
12:53:04 | DJ_Dooms_Day | haha |
12:53:10 | B4gder | claiming hearing loss |
12:53:19 | B4gder | which could be one reason |
12:53:27 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Are you serious?? THats fucking stupid |
12:53:41 | preglow | DJ_Dooms_Day: oh, you mean just like people? |
12:54:04 | B4gder | they like sueing over there |
12:54:10 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I would say predominantly Americans preglow, but yeah, sure ;) |
12:54:22 | preglow | hahaha |
12:54:28 | preglow | oh, just can find stupid people everywhere |
12:54:32 | preglow | s/just/you/ |
12:54:41 | preglow | you can find ones that aren't able to write a coherent sentence too |
12:54:59 | DJ_Dooms_Day | hehe |
12:55:08 | B4gder | that's the worst kind! |
12:55:19 | preglow | yeah, i hate those bastards |
12:55:23 | preglow | scum of the earth |
12:55:24 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ANyway, so people are actually requesting that you put THAT feature on rockbox? |
12:55:38 | B4gder | one user did at least |
12:55:43 | preglow | good, plain old stupidity |
12:55:46 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Ban him |
12:55:49 | preglow | <−−- rockbox political spokesman |
12:56:12 | B4gder | I bet we can reach 1 million feature requests within a few years ;-) |
12:56:21 | preglow | hahah |
12:56:28 | preglow | that section will be closed long before then |
12:57:11 | preglow | LinusN: so it works fine now? |
12:57:52 | * | webguest78 wonders why this is still open http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4920 |
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12:58:11 | webguest78 | Seems like a case of rtfm |
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12:58:24 | LinusN | preglow: sounds really good |
12:58:30 | preglow | great |
12:58:53 | preglow | B4gder: how much for shipping a shirt to norway, you think? |
12:58:57 | LinusN | but the boost ratio is still too high |
12:59:05 | preglow | LinusN: isn't it always? |
12:59:26 | LinusN | 192kbit/s -> 10% on h300 and 30% on x5 |
12:59:31 | preglow | ouch |
12:59:37 | preglow | why? |
12:59:41 | LinusN | beats me |
12:59:45 | linuxstb | LCD driver? |
12:59:49 | LinusN | hardly |
12:59:59 | preglow | well, not too many candidates left, then |
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13:00:31 | LinusN | well, i have to try less lcd updates, but i doubt that it would make a diff |
13:01:41 | LinusN | last time i checked, we had numerous threads that didn't sleep properly, but it should be the same on h300... |
13:01:58 | LinusN | oops, i forgot to eat lunch |
13:02:02 | preglow | hahaha |
13:02:10 | LinusN | cu l8r |
13:04:28 | Jungti1234 | bye |
13:06:28 | B4gder | preglow: I think it is the same "within europe" cost |
13:07:49 | * | preglow boos at the swedish postal service |
13:08:36 | * | petur hopes he was quick enough to reply ;) |
13:11:49 | petur | I wonder how long it will take before somebody files a feature request for doom on x5 |
13:12:29 | webguest78 | Isn't it already built? |
13:12:51 | webguest78 | Not that built==works, but |
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13:16:58 | linuxstb | Has anyone tried adding button mappings for Doom and building it for the X5? |
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13:17:48 | webguest78 | 2006 28 Mar 17:22Christianapps/plugins/Makefile 1.74 x5: lets build doom... |
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13:17:54 | b00st4 | holla |
13:17:59 | preglow | holla |
13:18:38 | b00st4 | hm, i tried to change the bootscreen yesterday, compile worked fine, but it doesnt switch on my ipod... |
13:19:04 | b00st4 | rockboxlogo.320x98x16.bmp replaced this 24-bmp for my ipod 5g |
13:19:22 | muesli__ | any gmini 400 owner here? |
13:19:22 | b00st4 | rockbox\apps\bitmaps\native |
13:21:24 | b00st4 | hmm, any idea? |
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13:24:56 | b00st4 | rockboxlogo.h do i have to edit this? |
13:25:31 | linuxstb | Have you tried "make clean", and then rebuilding Rockbox? |
13:25:42 | linuxstb | No, you shouldn't have to edit that file. |
13:26:06 | b00st4 | how ya mean make clean? |
13:26:17 | b00st4 | del all on my ipod? |
13:26:43 | linuxstb | No, just type "make clean" in your build directory, followed by "make", followed by "make zip" |
13:27:01 | b00st4 | ah, ok |
13:27:09 | b00st4 | but dir was empty before |
13:27:25 | b00st4 | compiled totally new |
13:27:29 | linuxstb | In which case, that's not going to be the problem... |
13:27:44 | b00st4 | jap |
13:28:10 | b00st4 | what im wondering is, that the file it shows doesnt even exist any more |
13:28:16 | DJ_Dooms_Day | hey anyone know where the database builder is, off the top of their head |
13:28:18 | DJ_Dooms_Day | ? |
13:28:24 | b00st4 | cuz i replaced it |
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13:29:01 | tucoz | general settings -> playback |
13:29:02 | LinusN | DJ_Dooms_Day: yes, it's integrated in rockbox nowadays |
13:29:14 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Ah, nifty |
13:29:28 | b00st4 | anyways, im at lunch, try to fix that later on.... |
13:29:46 | linuxstb | b00st4: Did you definitely copy the new rockbox.ipod correctly? If you go into the main menu, and then Info -> Version, does it display the data/time of your build at the bottom? |
13:30:49 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Hey whats a 60/80GB HDD go for these days? I mean, one of the one small enough to fit in a iriver? (1.5 inch yes?) |
13:31:53 | petur | 1.8 |
13:32:24 | petur | 80GB have been announced but haven't seen 'm yet |
13:33:13 | tucoz | wonder if the new (probably expensive as h**l) flash based hard disks would work in an iriver. |
13:34:00 | b00st4 | <linuxstb> yap it does |
13:34:07 | b00st4 | other patches applied |
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13:34:48 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Why would you want flash based HDDs? |
13:35:10 | tucoz | Silent operation for instance |
13:35:33 | petur | shocks won't harm it |
13:35:38 | tucoz | that also |
13:35:42 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Are you serious? You can't even hear HDDs |
13:36:00 | tucoz | The iriver spin-up sound is getting on my nerves |
13:36:04 | Mikachu | tucoz: are you sure you don't mean a solid state disc? |
13:36:23 | tucoz | Mikachu, don't know. The new ones from Samsung |
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13:36:36 | tucoz | probably called solid state. I thought they were flash based though |
13:37:08 | tucoz | I think the largest atm is a 32GB |
13:37:11 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Tucoz? wtf do you do with your iriver? With mine, i listen to music. Generally, if your listening to music, you can't here the sound |
13:37:47 | tucoz | hehe, I sometimes start it. And when I don't listen to music, but browse around it spins up. |
13:37:48 | Mikachu | ram with a battery is a lot faster than flash roms... |
13:38:04 | Mikachu | and i think those are called solid state maybe |
13:38:10 | tucoz | I see. |
13:38:50 | tucoz | Mikachu, the solid state is based on NAND flash |
13:38:59 | tucoz | http://news.com.com/Photo+Samsungs+solid-state+disk/2009-1001_3-5717119.html |
13:39:09 | Mikachu | okay |
13:39:14 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Wow, i just munched through an entire battery in a few hours. |
13:40:12 | tucoz | It is faster than mechanical drives they say. 3 times the read, and 1.5 times the write. Less power consumption. I think it sounds sweet. |
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13:41:06 | Shagnar | hello everybody! |
13:41:34 | tucoz | hi |
13:41:53 | Shagnar | recently i got a bug, i can't browse the files anymore because there are no more files shown (just an empty screen when entering the file browse mode) rockbox (newest version) on H-140 |
13:42:00 | DJ_Dooms_Day | That one uses IDE. 7500 RPM drives can already read at around 100MBs, and with IDE cables that can only transfer at around 130MBs (or was it 150?), there isn't much room for improvement. |
13:42:08 | Shagnar | does anybody have an idea? |
13:42:17 | LinusN | Shagnar: what is your "Show files" setting? |
13:42:44 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Shagnar - Hold down the AB button and change the 'show files' to all |
13:43:23 | Shagnar | dj, did that already |
13:43:43 | tucoz | Maybe you are in an empty directory? |
13:43:47 | Shagnar | uhm, very strange. i pressed the "play" button in this empy screen, and the iriver got frozen |
13:43:57 | Shagnar | after resetting the files are shown again. |
13:44:07 | LinusN | wow |
13:44:09 | DJ_Dooms_Day | heh |
13:44:09 | Shagnar | tucoz: no, just nothing was shown anymore |
13:44:15 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I think i know what your issue was |
13:44:29 | DJ_Dooms_Day | Its to do with that ID3 tag database |
13:44:44 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I used to get that problem too if the database was out of date |
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13:45:01 | Coldtoast | howdy all |
13:45:11 | Shagnar | ah okay |
13:45:17 | Shagnar | thx to all^^ |
13:45:18 | Coldtoast | hey. is there any likelihood at all that Rockbox might ever be ported to the PSP? |
13:45:31 | DJ_Dooms_Day | I doubt it |
13:45:59 | Coldtoast | all the homebrew media players as well as the Sony MP3 support are horrible |
13:48:12 | B4gder | it "just" takes a dedicated skilled person or team |
13:48:45 | muesli__ | is the archos gmini 120 supported? |
13:48:50 | B4gder | no |
13:48:57 | muesli__ | oh :( |
13:49:05 | B4gder | we don't have gmini support |
13:49:28 | muesli__ | that model is quite old though..but useful as a data carriere |
13:49:30 | muesli__ | -e |
13:53:12 | linuxstb | Coldtoast: Is SDL ported to the PSP? |
13:56:42 | Lynx_ | How do I change the font colour in rockbox? |
13:57:26 | DJ_Dooms_Day | General settings>display |
13:57:26 | JdGordon | settings > display >lcd > |
13:57:30 | MarcoPolo | I have the following problem compiling cvs : make[3]: *** No rule to make target `i_net.h', needed by `/home/marc/Install/rockbox/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/d_net.o'. Stop. |
13:57:31 | DJ_Dooms_Day | then foreground |
13:57:46 | MarcoPolo | but I can't find i_net.h in the files |
13:57:48 | Coldtoast | linuxstb: not that I know of |
13:58:01 | B4gder | MarcoPolo: how did you get the sources? |
13:58:02 | Coldtoast | but that doesn't mean much. heh |
13:58:07 | MarcoPolo | B4gder: cvs up |
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13:58:54 | Lynx_ | DJ_Dooms_Day: ah, thx |
13:59:05 | webguest78 | linuxstb: casual googling suggests it may be |
13:59:38 | B4gder | I have no references to i_net in my doom sources |
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14:01:09 | MarcoPolo | B4gder: so do I |
14:01:19 | MarcoPolo | B4gder: only at compilation I get this message |
14:01:31 | MarcoPolo | B4gder: well, make clean was the solution |
14:01:38 | MarcoPolo | B4gder: sorry for disturbing you |
14:01:48 | B4gder | well, your makefile must be referencing it |
14:01:55 | B4gder | otherwise it wouldn't say that |
14:02:05 | MarcoPolo | no, it said .o |
14:02:35 | B4gder | yes |
14:02:44 | B4gder | that's what the makefile uses |
14:02:57 | B4gder | as it checks if the .c is newer than the .o |
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14:03:15 | webguest78 | linuxstb: yeah, there definately is an SDL port for psp.. can't find it though, only references to it |
14:07:05 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: I'm back |
14:10:51 | tucoz | bluebrother^, now I've got to go :) |
14:11:11 | bluebrother^ | how nice ;-) cu later. |
14:11:31 | tucoz | See you later. I'll read the log later on. |
14:11:43 | tucoz | ...in case you come up with something nifty |
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14:11:58 | MarcoPolo | When tagcache says "updating in background", my ipod is frozen |
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14:26:17 | linuxstb | webguest78: In which case, the Rockbox sim (once audio playback becomes stable) could be ported to the PSP. |
14:30:43 | webguest78 | Creating a sim-only psp target? |
14:30:55 | linuxstb | MarcoPolo: Do you have any other patches installed? e.g. an old version of the album art patch? |
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14:36:24 | voodoo_laptop | anyone know why my LCD remote for my iriver H320 would stop working under rockbox? the remote is still getting power and can still control the remote but the remote screen has no text on it, the remote has worked in older version of rockbox |
14:42:42 | MarcoPolo | linuxstb: indeed, i updated aa patch in now it works well :) |
14:43:03 | MarcoPolo | should doom be working on ipod currently ? |
14:43:42 | B4gder | it should, but it doesn't |
14:43:53 | B4gder | :-) |
14:44:03 | Bg3r | :P |
14:44:09 | MarcoPolo | B4gder: I get some blank screen when I run it |
14:44:26 | B4gder | yes, it doesn't work on ipod |
14:44:41 | MarcoPolo | B4gder: ok |
14:45:42 | linuxstb | MarcoPolo: If you fix it, I'll send you a beer of your choice. |
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14:46:06 | MarcoPolo | linuxstb: i really have no idea of what it could be, sorry ;) |
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14:52:20 | * | amiconn is back |
14:52:22 | amiconn | preglow: battery_bench works perfectly on Ondio |
14:53:06 | preglow | amiconn: ondio doesn't use ata_flash? |
14:53:20 | preglow | ahh, no, that's probably iriver |
14:53:34 | preglow | ifp-xxx |
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14:54:21 | amiconn | Ondio uses ata_mmc |
14:54:29 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
14:54:45 | preglow | amiconn: right, i forgot the internal flash is really just mmc too |
14:54:55 | Jungti1234 | I read some document. |
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14:55:39 | linuxstb | webguest78: Sorry, I missed your question. Yes - the idea would be to create sim-only target. |
14:55:39 | amiconn | I also got a remote for my mini... |
14:56:07 | Jungti1234 | bdf file does that unuse much in embedded system. |
14:56:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: So you're the person to reverse-engineer a serial port driver and the apple accessory protocol? |
14:56:57 | linuxstb | :) |
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14:57:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: Depends. Remote is low-prio for me |
14:57:31 | webguest78 | But it'll be FUN |
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14:58:03 | Lynx_ | what does 'committing tagcache' at boot actually mean? |
14:58:04 | amiconn | (or should I say low-low prio?) |
14:58:40 | amiconn | I use my archos remote like 1..2 days per year, and never actually used my iriver remote except for development |
14:58:49 | Jungti1234 | bdf file is big size, and the loading speed is slow |
14:59:15 | webguest78 | Jungti1234: bdf files are not used on rockbox. They're converted to a special rockbox format |
14:59:30 | Jungti1234 | um..? |
14:59:34 | Jungti1234 | fnt? |
14:59:35 | webguest78 | the originals are just bdfs |
14:59:38 | webguest78 | Yes |
14:59:46 | Jungti1234 | :) ah.. |
14:59:54 | Jungti1234 | hehe... |
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15:00:24 | amiconn | Btw, is the remote protocol supposed to be serial? |
15:01:07 | amiconn | The remote connector is a 4-pin conector next to the earphone jack, and I thought the serial port is connected to the dock connector at the bottom? |
15:05:02 | linuxstb | I think the serial port is connected to both the remote connector (which isn't present on the Nano and the 5g) and the dock. Or maybe there are two serial ports... |
15:05:57 | linuxstb | Like you, I'm not really interested in the accessories. |
15:06:09 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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15:22:58 | MarcoPolo | where can i see the new tags added to tagcache engine ? the browser doesn't show anything more... |
15:23:15 | MarcoPolo | and could it sort files by disk number too (not only by track number ?) |
15:26:22 | amiconn | Now, the interesting procedure of opening this thing... |
15:32:20 | preglow | good luck |
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15:40:53 | * | webguest78 gets a segfault in convbdf with ridicolously large fonts |
15:41:18 | webguest78 | Like this one: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/xorg/xc/fonts/bdf/100dpi/UTBI__24.bdf |
15:44:51 | webguest78 | Might be related to the fact that it's italics, perhaps |
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15:46:32 | webguest78 | Hm, no.. http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/xorg/xc/fonts/bdf/100dpi/UTB___24.bdf does it as well |
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15:47:39 | Jungti1234 | What is 'tag cache'? |
15:48:23 | webguest78 | A replacemtn to "id3 database" |
15:49:04 | Jungti1234 | What's that? |
15:49:26 | webguest78 | Metadata browser, so you can browse all your files by artist, instead of the file structure |
15:49:26 | bobTHC | to avoid file reading to display, search,ID tags iirc |
15:49:50 | Bg3r | and not only by artist |
15:50:08 | webguest78 | Yeah, artist, album, track etc. just an example |
15:52:44 | Jungti1234 | Where can I saw it? |
15:54:20 | amiconn | Hmm. It's almost open (major part is removing the top & bottom plastic covers, which is done), but now I have the problem that I can't find a small enough philips screwdriver... |
15:54:46 | preglow | if you did find one, it'd probably break anyway |
15:54:53 | preglow | if it's anywhere near as hard to dislodge as the nano |
15:55:26 | amiconn | There are 2 tiny philips screws. One is already off, but the other is somewhat more tight. |
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15:56:04 | amiconn | Using an 1.5mm flathead screwdriver worked for one of them, but not for the other |
15:56:35 | preglow | there acrews? |
15:56:35 | preglow | wow |
15:56:42 | preglow | there are screws? <- |
15:57:01 | amiconn | Yes, after removing the 2 plastic covers. |
15:57:08 | amiconn | http://www.ipodbattery.com/ipodminiinstall.html |
15:57:39 | preglow | ahh, of course, the mini is built very differently |
15:58:20 | webguest78 | I've submitted a bug for the convbdf thing with a little detail: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4955 |
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16:00:08 | Paprica | preglow? can you help me again with the HDD error? |
16:01:05 | preglow | Paprica: not much i can do |
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16:01:20 | preglow | Paprica: if disconnect the hard drive, see if the connector looks fine and is more or less clean |
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16:01:35 | preglow | Paprica: then stuff the harddisk firmly onto the connector again, if it doesn't work after that, something else is broken |
16:02:13 | Paprica | preglow, the hardisk seem to work, but the sound from it is strange |
16:04:11 | preglow | dropped it or anything? |
16:06:19 | Paprica | the player?, no.. |
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16:08:42 | preglow | then i have no idea |
16:08:54 | Paprica | :( |
16:09:17 | Bg3r | Paprica how does it sound ? |
16:09:32 | LinusN | like a bag of shit? |
16:09:40 | LinusN | then it's normal :-) |
16:09:42 | Bg3r | :D |
16:09:44 | Paprica | huh |
16:09:52 | Paprica | its not regular sound |
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16:10:57 | amiconn | Hmm seems I have to buy such tiny philips screwdriver somewhere |
16:11:21 | amiconn | I need to find out what WM... codec is used in the mini 2g |
16:11:30 | crashd | amiconn: ipodlinux |
16:11:34 | crashd | has it on there specs page iirc |
16:11:35 | amiconn | The ipodlinux website doesn't tell |
16:11:40 | crashd | you suer ? |
16:11:46 | crashd | !@"!£:!"@ argh. keyboard retardation |
16:11:54 | preglow | hahahaha |
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16:12:32 | crashd | amiconn: id assume it's go tthe same one as the ipod 1g, as they dont specify a difference |
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16:15:58 | bobTHC | someone can test this font(bdf) to be sure that have been well generated ? http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1MVDJXCVSAPPM3AIKCOGFNFPAK |
16:17:14 | bobTHC | sorry no dev env here |
16:18:50 | Jungti1234 | what is 'Precut'? |
16:19:09 | webguest78 | bobTHC: convbdf has no problems with it |
16:19:18 | safetydan | Jungti1234, it allows you to reduce the volume of the audio before the equalizer settings are applied. It's to avoid distortion. |
16:20:02 | Jungti1234 | Volume regular control? |
16:20:05 | MarcoPolo | safetydan: what is the tagcache tracknumfix for ? |
16:20:16 | bobTHC | thx webguest78 |
16:20:38 | bobTHC | and the .fnt iss usuable ? |
16:20:44 | Jungti1234 | Does it take away noise of loud sound? |
16:20:54 | webguest78 | bobTHC: let me check |
16:22:06 | webguest78 | bobTHC: looks right |
16:22:25 | bobTHC | what the fnt file size plz ? |
16:22:39 | webguest78 | 260283 bytes |
16:22:46 | bobTHC | thx |
16:22:49 | safetydan | Jungti1234, no it's not an automatic volume control. It's for when you increase the gain of a filter in the equalizer (for example you increase the 200 Hz band by 6 dB), you will likely also need to decrease the overall volume of the audio (by 6dB) to avoid distortion. |
16:22:52 | webguest78 | hrm, the rs seem liftet off the ground |
16:23:03 | Jungti1234 | hmmmm |
16:23:14 | safetydan | MarcoPolo, uhh... I've no idea. Slasheri is the one you want to talk to about that. |
16:23:18 | Jungti1234 | Translation is not good... |
16:23:27 | safetydan | Jungti1234, sorry, it's a little hard to explain |
16:23:34 | Jungti1234 | yes.. |
16:23:41 | bobTHC | rs, liftet ? |
16:23:50 | Jungti1234 | Is explanation impossible much more easily? |
16:24:03 | MarcoPolo | Slasheri: ping ? |
16:24:17 | safetydan | Jungti1234, have you used the equalizer? Have you noticed that you get distortion (bad sound) when you increase the gain in a filter band? |
16:24:45 | safetydan | MarcoPolo, it sounds like the track listing in an album in the tagcache will be sorted by track number now |
16:24:50 | Jungti1234 | bad sound.... |
16:25:03 | Jungti1234 | Noise of loud sound? |
16:25:13 | webguest78 | bobTHC: the r characters seem 1px above the baseline |
16:25:14 | safetydan | Jungti1234, clipping |
16:25:32 | Jungti1234 | Cutting with scissor? :( |
16:25:37 | Paprica | someone knows if there's a way to connect regular harddisk to the h300? |
16:25:50 | webguest78 | Paprica: It's been done.. check MisticRiver |
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16:26:33 | safetydan | Jungti1234, no, audio clipping is something that happens when you amplify music too much. It causes distortion. |
16:26:55 | Jungti1234 | I don't understand 'distortion', 'clipping' |
16:27:07 | Paprica | webguest78, can you give me a link? |
16:27:18 | webguest78 | Paprica: not offhand, no.. in the mods section iirc |
16:27:19 | Jungti1234 | Frequency adjustment? |
16:28:39 | bobTHC | webguest78 > except that that(R), that looks good or crappy ? |
16:28:52 | bobTHC | on target |
16:28:53 | webguest78 | Paprica: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=11568 |
16:28:59 | Paprica | 10x! |
16:28:59 | safetydan | Jungti1234, hang on I'm trying to find a picture that might explaing clipping |
16:29:02 | * | amiconn will try ipl on his mini next |
16:29:13 | webguest78 | bobTHC: looks decent.. I wouldn't use it, but it's certainly not bad |
16:29:21 | amiconn | Too bad weather today to go out and buy that tiny screwdriver |
16:29:23 | Jungti1234 | safetydan, Thanks... |
16:29:47 | Paprica | oh, i cant do it =\ |
16:30:30 | bobTHC | oki thx webguest78.. |
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16:32:07 | Slasheri | MarcoPolo: yep, the track order should be correct now |
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16:32:41 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I was happy to see that you are displaying the track number as well. I was going to request that... It seems to work well. |
16:33:40 | safetydan | Jungti1234, maybe this will help http://www.teamcombooks.com/mp3handbook/11_files/image016.gif |
16:33:41 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hehe, nice :) |
16:34:01 | Slasheri | linuxstb: in that way the sorting was also simple without any specical tricks |
16:34:06 | Jungti1234 | um |
16:34:36 | Jungti1234 | volume down? |
16:34:50 | safetydan | Jungti1234, precut essentially turns the volume down yes |
16:35:45 | Jungti1234 | What abbreviated word is 'Precut'? |
16:35:47 | tucoz | bluebrother^, are you here? |
16:35:55 | * | petur wonders if there exists a tool to restore a clipped waveform by lowering the volume and plotting a bezier through the points |
16:36:08 | Slasheri | linuxstb: if tracknum tag is not found, the engine tries to find the track number by searching for the filename while generating the database |
16:36:12 | amiconn | Does ipl play plainfiles? |
16:36:59 | amiconn | Bah, teh wheel is too sensitive in ipl |
16:37:02 | Jungti1234 | hm ok, I have go to now.. |
16:37:04 | webguest78 | Jungti1234: It's just "pre-" which means before, and "cut" which just means lower volume here |
16:37:07 | linuxstb | amiconn: You mean files not transferred using itunes? |
16:37:12 | safetydan | Jungti1234, precut is something like "reduce volume by this before using equalizer" |
16:37:13 | amiconn | yes |
16:37:25 | linuxstb | I think so, yes. But I never managed to get audio working... |
16:37:36 | Jungti1234 | hmm.. precut..... |
16:37:47 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you installed "podzilla" or "podzilla2" ? |
16:37:55 | amiconn | podzilla |
16:38:06 | amiconn | Hmm, I don't get disk access from ipl |
16:38:29 | tucoz | amiconn, you got your ipod? |
16:38:30 | amiconn | When I plug USB, it asks me whether I want to go to disk mode. But it just reboots... |
16:39:06 | Jungti1234 | safetydan, sorry and thank you |
16:39:08 | Jungti1234 | cya |
16:39:14 | safetydan | bye |
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16:41:51 | amiconn | Bah, now it doesn't do anything except showing the apple logo :( |
16:42:09 | linuxstb | amiconn: That will be a bug.. Diskmode is reached by writing a cookie to the end of IRAM and rebooting. The flash-based Apple bootloader will check for that cookie and enter disk mode. I'm guessing that podzilla doesn't know that your IRAM is 128KB, so it's writing the cookie in the wrong place. |
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16:44:08 | amiconn | Is there a hardware trick to enter disk mode? I tried the reset (holding meu+select), but that does only restart with the apple logo... |
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16:45:57 | linuxstb | Yes, hold SELECT+PLAY immediately after it reboots. |
16:46:35 | amiconn | Ah, thx |
16:47:08 | linuxstb | Slasheri: What do you mean by "searching for the filename" ? How does it determine the track number? |
16:49:32 | amiconn | From the one time that ipl ran, I am now sure it's a 2G |
16:49:41 | Paprica | aff my harddisk dieeeeee |
16:49:42 | Paprica | =\ |
16:49:45 | amiconn | Couldn't try playback because ipl now refuses to boot |
16:49:55 | Paprica | only 5 monthes!! |
16:49:58 | Paprica | grr |
16:50:12 | amiconn | ...and the ipl loader doesn't manage to boot apple fw either |
16:50:39 | petur | Paprica: be quick to reflash it if possible... |
16:50:47 | Paprica | not possible |
16:51:02 | Paprica | it's not recognize the harddrive |
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16:51:10 | petur | ugh! |
16:51:15 | Paprica | yeah |
16:51:27 | Paprica | im very nervous :( |
16:51:29 | Slasheri | linuxstb: currently it tries to find the first digit from the filename, and if found, it also checks the next character for another digit |
16:51:53 | Slasheri | and then converts that string into a track number |
16:52:03 | petur | otoh, now you can install that 80GB disk.... |
16:52:39 | Paprica | which one? |
16:53:15 | petur | http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=818200000007000000010000659800001516/818200000b0c000000010000659c000026bd/8182000000e6000000010000659c0000279e/8182000000e9000000010000659c00000370/818200000c24000000010000659c00002b41 |
16:53:31 | petur | bloody long url |
16:53:49 | bobTHC | indeeda |
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16:54:41 | Mikachu | if you have the doom patch applied and then update cvs and don't remove the extra vsnprintf in plugin.c, bad things happen |
16:55:31 | petur | 300,000 MTTF for your disk, I guess they misread the , as . |
16:56:12 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: you're in? |
16:56:18 | tucoz | yep |
16:56:33 | preglow | petur: algorithms for restoring clipped audio exists |
16:56:43 | preglow | petur: mostly based on the atan function, i believe |
16:56:50 | preglow | petur: you never get a perfect reconstruction anyway |
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16:57:06 | petur | better than that horrible noise... |
16:57:10 | bluebrother^ | I'm just at this moment preparing a new patch for the tracker. |
16:57:15 | tucoz | nice |
16:57:31 | bluebrother^ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4958 |
16:57:50 | bluebrother^ | for screenshots. |
16:58:11 | bluebrother^ | I also tried making a new environment "buttonmap" for all those button map tables. |
16:58:28 | bluebrother^ | but this has still some problems I need to look after. |
16:58:49 | tucoz | sounds goood. Does this patch use float? |
16:59:00 | tucoz | figure-environment that is |
16:59:12 | bluebrother^ | yep |
16:59:24 | Paprica | petur, we dont have it here, in israel |
16:59:48 | Paprica | and i'm gusseing that it's very expencivw |
16:59:49 | Paprica | e |
17:00 |
17:00:04 | tucoz | I am not really sure we want floats. Imo, the screenshots should be placed exactly where we want them |
17:00:31 | bluebrother^ | hmm. Using the [!ht] should be sufficient imo. |
17:00:32 | petur | Paprica: I'm not surprised, it's probably still a bit vaporware atm ;) but 60GB should be nice too |
17:00:48 | bluebrother^ | but we could also remove the figure environment. |
17:01:20 | bluebrother^ | with the new command it is only one place to change it ;-) |
17:01:28 | tucoz | true |
17:01:32 | tucoz | let's try it out |
17:01:33 | tucoz | :) |
17:01:46 | bluebrother^ | ... which was the main reason I wanted a command for screenshots. |
17:01:50 | Spida | does anybody know an algorithm to find differences/similarity between different audio-signals? |
17:01:51 | tucoz | goodie |
17:02:22 | bluebrother^ | should I change all other files too? |
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17:02:40 | Spida | that is, I have some wave-files that contain various "BEEP"s, and I want to find beeps with the same distribution of frequencies |
17:02:52 | tucoz | I think floats will be hard to get placed right in all the different manuals, as it might be placed correctly for some targets, but move to the next page on others |
17:03:24 | tucoz | bluebrother^, let me have a look at the patch first. If I like it, I commit it, and you could go from there. |
17:03:27 | Mikachu | that's why they have numbers and you refer to them by their \label |
17:03:31 | bluebrother^ | ok |
17:03:56 | bluebrother^ | as the screenshot images are pretty small I don't think floats will be a problem. |
17:04:11 | tucoz | But they are. Look at the plugin-section for instance |
17:04:34 | tucoz | maybe it works better with [ht!], but I would not think so. |
17:05:06 | bluebrother^ | ah, ok. I see what you mean. |
17:05:25 | bluebrother^ | haven't noticed that shift before. |
17:05:43 | bluebrother^ | maybe I'm too used to look after image descriptions than at an actual place. |
17:05:44 | tucoz | floats are too unpredictable imo |
17:06:07 | tucoz | Yes, that works for reports but maybe not for manuals |
17:06:17 | Nico_P | linuxstb: now oggs work, but MP3 start playing and after a couple seconds, they skip to the next track in playlist... |
17:06:24 | Nico_P | (talking about album art) |
17:06:30 | tucoz | we would have to cross reference each image if we used floats |
17:06:38 | tucoz | I think |
17:06:45 | linuxstb | Slasheri: It's common for bootleg albums to have filenames such as gd19790822d1t01.flac - which are in track number order if sorted alphabetically, but the track number is at the end, not the start... |
17:06:47 | bluebrother^ | I agree with this. |
17:06:59 | amiconn | Okay, I've now restored my mini to factory defaults... |
17:07:06 | bluebrother^ | removing the floats also makes it a lot easier ... |
17:07:20 | Slasheri | linuxstb: ah :/ hmm, maybe it would be better to look the track number from the end then.. |
17:07:26 | tucoz | yes, maybe we should remove the table environment as well. |
17:07:34 | bluebrother^ | we don't need that cryptic code anymore I found on the net. |
17:07:37 | Slasheri | using the alphabetical sorting would be a way more difficult |
17:07:48 | tucoz | what code? |
17:07:55 | bluebrother^ | I was thinking (and trying) about an environment "buttonmap" |
17:08:00 | tucoz | ah, I see. |
17:08:21 | tucoz | Maybe just keep the tables, and define a tableheader macro then |
17:08:57 | bluebrother^ | which is mainly a tabularx which automatically does the table header −− as far as I've seen its always the same. |
17:09:02 | tucoz | sometimes the tables are key-action, and sometimes button-effect or something similar |
17:09:23 | tucoz | we should always use the same wording |
17:09:59 | bluebrother^ | thats my point. So we can do the header with a new environment which also takes care of the table with etc. |
17:10:33 | tucoz | yes, so that we can define the table width for in-text tables in the preamble |
17:10:45 | bluebrother^ | exactly. |
17:10:59 | tucoz | As I said, I don't think textwidth tables look good in the text |
17:11:08 | tucoz | but for reference tables, they do |
17:11:26 | bluebrother^ | I'd like to be able using it as \begin{buttonmap} first button & button action \\ ... \end{buttonmap} |
17:11:32 | amiconn | Btw, ipl has problems with the lcd driver. The rightmost pixels don't scroll and aren't always cleared |
17:11:58 | bluebrother^ | we need to split between two different types of tables. |
17:12:39 | amiconn | linuxstb: How would I proceed to making a rockbox bootloader? |
17:12:41 | tucoz | in terms of width? |
17:13:00 | tucoz | there could be tables with more than two colums also |
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17:13:54 | tucoz | But the width should be the same for all in-text tables I think |
17:15:18 | amiconn | Nm, there is already a mini 1G/2G configure target... |
17:15:53 | bluebrother^ | I think all button map tables should look the same, so this would make one table class. |
17:16:10 | bluebrother^ | and reference tables would be another. |
17:16:54 | tucoz | yes, I agree |
17:17:00 | bluebrother^ | then we have to look if there are other tables left. I'm too new to the manual so I don't know atm. |
17:17:44 | tucoz | There are other tables, but the button tables are the most common ones |
17:17:51 | bluebrother^ | So I'd perfer building a button map environment and a reference map environment. |
17:18:04 | tucoz | sounds good |
17:18:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think it's mainly the button driver that is different between the two mini generations - so I would expect the existing mini build to work, but the buttons probably won't. |
17:18:21 | bluebrother^ | all other tables could just used as tabularx environments. I guess they aren't too much. |
17:18:51 | tucoz | no, and they do not differ as much between the targets as the button tables |
17:19:22 | tucoz | Other tables could be for instance a bitrate table or something similar |
17:20:07 | bluebrother^ | ok, sounds good :) |
17:20:28 | tucoz | should I simplify the screenshot command? That is, remove the figure environment |
17:20:50 | bluebrother^ | as it it somewhat problematic I'd say yes. |
17:21:17 | tucoz | Even in the rockbox interface, the images float too much |
17:21:40 | bluebrother^ | maybe we'll find a better way later, but I think we should try reaching the 3.0 goal first. |
17:21:53 | bluebrother^ | (but I want a *nice* manual for 3.0) |
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17:22:07 | tucoz | yes, me too. But, I think we should remove the floats for now |
17:22:18 | bluebrother^ | I agree with this. |
17:22:29 | fiftyfour123 | is there any sort of hack or way around using rockbox on my hfs 5h without converting it to fat32? |
17:22:31 | bluebrother^ | a better solution can wait for post-3.0 |
17:22:49 | bluebrother^ | fiftyfour123: no. |
17:22:50 | tucoz | yes, then we should go for a really pro-looking manual |
17:22:54 | Febs | There are some instances where, IMO, options for particular sub-menus would look better in tables than in lists. |
17:23:08 | fiftyfour123 | i cant make a small fat32 partition on my ipod and put the rockbox files there? |
17:23:15 | fiftyfour123 | and use the ipodlinux loader |
17:23:26 | tucoz | Me too, the configure rockbox section is too itemized in my opinion |
17:23:44 | amiconn | fiftyfour123: Perhaps you could, but then you couldnt access your music |
17:23:45 | bluebrother^ | fiftyfour123: you could, but rockbox can't read hfs. |
17:24:02 | Febs | Splitting it into two chapters will help somewhat, but tables will be more readable. |
17:24:05 | fiftyfour123 | will it ever be compatible with hfs? |
17:24:29 | safetydan | fiftyfour123, unlikely as it's a huge amount of work |
17:24:35 | fiftyfour123 | ok |
17:24:56 | tucoz | Febs, yes. I agree |
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17:26:19 | tucoz | hmm, I wonder if we could fake a caption in some way. |
17:26:34 | bluebrother^ | how do you mean this? |
17:26:48 | bluebrother^ | I don't think really long tables look good. |
17:27:11 | tucoz | When we work with a figure environment, the caption is placed underneath the image. But, that doesn't work without the figure env. |
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17:27:28 | tucoz | thinking about the config file reference? |
17:27:32 | bluebrother^ | a caption for the screenshots? |
17:27:41 | tucoz | yes |
17:27:56 | bluebrother^ | no, I meant the Configuring Rockbox. |
17:28:12 | bluebrother^ | having only a huge table will look ... strange. |
17:28:20 | tucoz | yes, that will look strange |
17:28:29 | bluebrother^ | and the left column will eat up much space |
17:28:32 | tucoz | but I don't think that was what Febs had in mind |
17:28:48 | amiconn | cr4p |
17:28:55 | bluebrother^ | ok. |
17:29:24 | tucoz | I think smaller parts, e.g the different values available for crossfade could fit in a table |
17:29:33 | bluebrother^ | what I like about that section is the fact you can read it pretty straightforward. |
17:29:36 | amiconn | midkay: You didn't make wormlet compatible to the mini lcd... |
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17:29:49 | bluebrother^ | ok, I agree with values. |
17:30:17 | tucoz | Some places there are three levels of itemize |
17:30:38 | Febs | No, one large table is not what I had in mind. For the most part, the itemize-d lists work. However, when one reaches the deepest level of a menu and one is describing options for a particular command, a table would look better than a list. |
17:31:02 | tucoz | Febs, I agree with you. I think that will make that section look better. |
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17:33:31 | Febs | I'll work on that next time I have a chance to spend some time on the manual. (Which will not be today. Too much PaidWork to do!) However, I have a long flight tomorrow and can spend some time then. |
17:33:47 | tucoz | cool |
17:33:52 | bluebrother^ | sounds nice. |
17:34:18 | tucoz | bluebrother^, do you think I should still allow the empty {}{} in screenshot? |
17:34:38 | tucoz | or should we just use 1 argument? |
17:34:43 | bluebrother^ | if we don't have a caption it isn't needed anymore. |
17:34:45 | tucoz | that is, the filename |
17:34:53 | amiconn | Hmm, rockbox bootloader doesn't work either. |
17:34:57 | bluebrother^ | so I'd say use one argument only. |
17:35:03 | amiconn | Apple logo, nothing else :( |
17:35:07 | tucoz | ok, I'll see how that works |
17:35:21 | bluebrother^ | If we'd need more later we could write a wrapper command. |
17:35:36 | tucoz | ok |
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17:38:52 | tucoz | bluebrother^, maybe we should use floats after all. The we could use captions, and just say [ht!]. The images aren't placed where we want them anyway |
17:39:03 | tucoz | grr |
17:40:07 | bluebrother^ | I feared something like that ... |
17:40:26 | tucoz | if they don't fit, they are placed on the next page anyway. |
17:41:09 | bluebrother^ | I found a package some time ago (can't remember the name) that was able placing pictures aside from the text. Maybe this is something to consider later on. |
17:42:02 | tucoz | Yes, I've had a look at that package as well. It makes the text wrap around images. That is, you could place an image on the left or right side of the page, and the text will be written next to it |
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17:42:28 | bobTHC | Someone can test this other font(bdf) in a dev env to be sure that have been well generated ? http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1OWREOVWFX4F22247EEQSSZMGE |
17:42:30 | tucoz | what did you say about the 1 page formatting earlier today? |
17:42:51 | bluebrother^ | I was thinking about if we should use twoside or oneside. |
17:43:10 | tucoz | ok, for the headers? |
17:43:11 | bluebrother^ | I'd say oneside, as I guess most users will read the manual online and not print it out. |
17:43:14 | bluebrother^ | yup |
17:43:35 | bluebrother^ | I want to make them nicer. As I said, I played around with it yesterday. |
17:44:18 | bluebrother^ | atm on the header there is the section name, not the chapter name. This is strange for pages with small sections. |
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17:44:47 | webguest68 | Slasheri: are you her? |
17:44:52 | webguest68 | here |
17:44:53 | tucoz | I agree there. The chapter name should be there. I haven't looked at the headers really |
17:45:19 | bluebrother^ | I'll keep on working on them. |
17:45:36 | bluebrother^ | So I'll assume we'll stay at oneside for now. |
17:46:03 | webguest68 | Slasheri: is the tagcache extract track number from title? cause here all my tracks have the numbers at the begining of the title (like made by plenty of Tag software |
17:46:07 | tucoz | do that. It isn't that big of a change if we would decide otherwise, is it? |
17:46:50 | bluebrother^ | not really, aside from the fact that I know fancyhdr nearly to nothing. But I consider this as a problem ;-) |
17:47:15 | tucoz | ok, you are free to fix it :) |
17:47:50 | webguest68 | Slasheri: I have to go, please reply to my question at webguest68 I'll read the logs |
17:48:10 | webguest68 | Rockbox is great |
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17:49:07 | safetydan | webguest68, the tagcache will look for id3 tag with the track number first, then look from the beginning of the filename for a tracknumber |
17:49:14 | safetydan | at least that's how i read the code |
17:49:39 | amiconn | Hmm, I have no idea what's happening :( |
17:50:19 | tucoz | bluebrother^, I think we go for floats, but we should encourage people to use captions. It doesn't look too bad then. |
17:50:36 | amiconn | At first reboot, the rockbox bootloader switches on the backlight. It doesn't manage to display anything (apple logo still shown), then it switches off. |
17:51:11 | amiconn | Reboots from disk mode behave similar, just that it doesn't switch off, but stays on indefinitely |
17:51:31 | amiconn | Backlight goes off after a while, so the timer seems to be running |
17:53:56 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: ok. I think we should write this down on the style guidelines with a small description how to use the command (link I added as comment) |
17:54:24 | tucoz | yes, I am about to commit the macro now. |
17:55:08 | tucoz | there. comitted |
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17:56:44 | tucoz | you or me? |
17:56:58 | tucoz | I do it |
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17:57:43 | bluebrother^ | ok. |
17:57:58 | bluebrother^ | I was just playing with fancyhdr. Missed a bracket :( |
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18:02:07 | tucoz | oh, I didn't notice the other stuff in the preamble you added |
18:03:31 | bluebrother^ | what other stuff do you mean? |
18:04:05 | bluebrother^ | that stuff that defines the \blank? |
18:07:09 | tucoz | ok, I just saw that |
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18:08:23 | tucoz | But I think I wait with the other patch. Should I perhaps close that? |
18:08:30 | BarretJ | does rockbox play video files on the video ipod? |
18:08:37 | tucoz | Bagder, no |
18:08:48 | petur | lol |
18:08:54 | tucoz | hehe |
18:08:57 | tucoz | BarretJ, no |
18:09:33 | BarretJ | ah ok |
18:10:13 | tucoz | But you could use still use the apple fw for that |
18:10:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think it's time for you to delve into the IPL kernel source and compare the LCD driver with the one in Rockbox..... |
18:14:02 | tucoz | bluebrother^, do you really think it's necessary with a 80-cols limit? Some places that is not practically possible. Like, when adding some opts in the text |
18:15:26 | amiconn | Now if I only knew where to look... |
18:16:28 | amiconn | Hmm, probably fb |
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18:16:38 | linuxstb | Yes - fb.c contains everything. |
18:16:46 | amiconn | This linux source tree is confusing... |
18:17:18 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: I think we should try when its not too complicated. |
18:17:47 | linuxstb | Nearly all the IPL-specific files are in that directory (where fb.c is). |
18:17:51 | bluebrother^ | for example vim breaks lines automatically which makes the indentation nearly unreadable in some cases. |
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18:18:23 | tucoz | same with emacs, but I think it's somewhat ok with latex-mode anyway. |
18:18:32 | amiconn | Where are these magic hardware versions defined?? |
18:19:02 | linuxstb | The IpodPort wiki page lists them. |
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18:19:37 | linuxstb | Sorry, IpodHardwareInfo now... |
18:20:11 | amiconn | I mean ipod_hw_ver in the ipl sources... |
18:20:23 | amiconn | These seem to be rather small numbers |
18:20:55 | bluebrother^ | I don't think we should enforce the limit but at least try it. In most cases it isn't that problematic. |
18:21:07 | tucoz | bluebrother^, ok. |
18:21:25 | bluebrother^ | Tables for example can be indented similar to wiki style, so no need to adjust them lining up everything. |
18:21:26 | amiconn | Seems to be the upper part of the hw revision (?) |
18:21:33 | linuxstb | Exactly. |
18:21:49 | linuxstb | So it will be 0x7 for your ipod. |
18:22:24 | tucoz | bluebrother^, hmm. what is wiki style then? |
18:22:48 | amiconn | Hmm, init is the same as mini1g, but data is sent differently |
18:23:08 | amiconn | Do we want one binary for 1g and 2g? That'd mean runtime detection... |
18:23:34 | safetydan | What font that Rockbox ships with is the largest vertically? xtal-14? |
18:23:49 | linuxstb | I originally thought that we could get away with one binary, but I'm now thinking that two would be easier. I guess it's up to you to decide. |
18:24:16 | linuxstb | I think the other differences will be in the button driver, and also the extra IRAM. |
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18:26:00 | amiconn | This inl() and outl() business is outright confusing :/ |
18:26:29 | amiconn | ipl checks the hw version at runtime |
18:26:55 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: like indenting every new field a bit more. At least I've seen this on some wiki. |
18:27:18 | tucoz | Like the tables are now? |
18:27:45 | fergie | thanks for adding the track numbers, now i can finally easily test the gapless playback |
18:31:17 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes - that's the big difference with IPL, there is always just a single "run everywhere" binary. |
18:31:26 | bluebrother^ | which tables do you mean? |
18:31:46 | linuxstb | (the kernel and all the applications) |
18:32:11 | amiconn | Why the hell does ipl use numeric constants, even without any comments?? Grrr!! |
18:33:43 | tucoz | nevermind. It's just that I think the current indentation works pretty well for tables. like every depth in the definition block gets indented by two spaces |
18:34:32 | tucoz | \begin{tabularx}..\begin{center}..key & action\\ |
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18:41:27 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: thats mainly the way I meant. But I found lines where the about 3rd depth was indented with something like 60 chars ... |
18:41:38 | tucoz | really? |
18:41:44 | tucoz | that is wrong then |
18:41:44 | bluebrother^ | I just changed the plugins to use the screenshot macro. |
18:41:50 | tucoz | cool |
18:42:13 | bluebrother^ | that is also a reason why I stated we should try not to write more than 80 chars per line. |
18:42:37 | tucoz | I understand. |
18:43:21 | bluebrother^ | I also have now some headers I like pretty much :) |
18:43:46 | tucoz | nice |
18:44:33 | bluebrother^ | urgs. The "Game controls" table for the wormlet plugin ist pretty much broken. |
18:45:03 | tucoz | no kidding. There is lots to do with some of the tables |
18:46:07 | tucoz | I think nls said he was going to work on that plugin |
18:47:18 | bluebrother^ | nice. I put the plugin changes to the tracker now. |
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18:48:00 | tucoz | ok |
18:49:37 | bluebrother^ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4960 |
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18:52:45 | tucoz | thanks, comitted |
18:54:36 | amiconn | Wee, lcd is working :) |
18:54:45 | tucoz | congratulations :) |
18:54:52 | amiconn | Hangs at boot logo though |
18:55:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: I went for a separate build |
18:55:53 | amiconn | Probably we should consolidate builds before an iPod release |
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18:56:11 | goffa__ | amiconn: what player? |
18:56:13 | linuxstb | Sounds sensible. |
18:56:21 | amiconn | godzirra: iPod mini 2G |
18:56:28 | goffa__ | cool |
18:59:39 | Slasheri | hmm, just ported dircache to work with simulators so it might be easier to find the tagcache bugs |
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19:02:02 | bobTHC | test2.fnt > http://s57.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0C4Y8SUG3RX6J3RKCYU0X4AYB1 plz try it on diff targets |
19:02:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: I have defined a new model number and a new id string for scramble, bootloader etc. Is this the correct way? Any other places I should check? |
19:02:28 | amiconn | (Also a new number in configure, of course) |
19:02:46 | amiconn | And a new config-ipodmini2g.h |
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19:03:16 | amiconn | I'll test a mini2g bootloader next |
19:03:36 | amiconn | (For now I just cheated and loaded a 2g rockbox.ipod with the 1g bootloader |
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19:05:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: That sounds like everything. |
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19:07:41 | schwab | hello |
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19:09:37 | lostlogic | amiconn: I think I mentioned, i have an eager ipod mini 2g tester here once you commit something that has buttons, screen and audio playback for it :) |
19:09:48 | amiconn | Hehe :) |
19:09:57 | amiconn | My first commit will just have lcd |
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19:10:51 | bobTHC | cya |
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19:12:07 | amiconn | linuxstb: The cpu frequency definitions in the config-ipod*.h files are really odd... |
19:12:47 | amiconn | Wow, my mini 2g rockbox just shut down itself. Must be the 10-minutes default poweroff timeout. So that's already wroking... |
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19:13:16 | schwab | can anyone help me create a config file with my current settings in rb (h300)? |
19:13:33 | charkins | is there a flyspray task for the new on-the-fly database that's in development? |
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19:13:54 | tucoz | schwab, just go to the menu and select manage settings |
19:14:01 | schwab | k |
19:14:48 | schwab | i just select write cfg file, and it'll have all my settings in it? |
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19:15:32 | tucoz | schwab, yes. |
19:15:48 | linuxstb | amiconn: They are probably just random... |
19:16:02 | amiconn | They are coldfire... |
19:16:04 | schwab | thanks |
19:16:11 | linuxstb | :) The 5g and Nano should be correct I think. |
19:16:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: preglow tells me the settings for the 5g are wrong in CVS too *shrug* |
19:16:39 | amiconn | Hmpf. Why did it build bootbox instead of a bootloader?? |
19:17:03 | amiconn | Nm, found it |
19:17:09 | amiconn | configure needs fixing... |
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19:22:21 | amiconn | Hmm, bootloader works. But now rockbox shuts itself down immediately after boot... |
19:23:20 | tucoz | the mini got a will of its own. It doesn't want rockbox. You have to convince it properly :-) |
19:23:59 | amiconn | Now back to usual (i.e. hang at boot |
19:24:01 | amiconn | ) |
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19:26:29 | schwab | you people are amazing, thanks for rockbox! bye |
19:26:38 | johnybyku | hi all. i'm back with my question. could one of the developers fix the battery monitoring problem on ipod nano? |
19:27:10 | safetydan | johnybyku, it's possible to fix, just will take time. AFAIK only one dev has a nano |
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19:27:36 | johnybyku | there is a patch in the bugs section that is suposed to fix it |
19:28:09 | johnybyku | could anyone just include it in the daily build? |
19:29:25 | johnybyku | rockbox is absolutely great, but the lack of battery monitoring is really annoing me at the moment |
19:29:45 | johnybyku | i think it's quite an important thing to do, isn't it? |
19:31:26 | lostlogic | johnybyku: patience, getting battery monitoring calibrated is a time consuming process. hopefully preglow will calibrate it soon... the patch on the tracker only activates the voltage monitoring, but does not properly calibrate it, IIRC. |
19:32:12 | johnybyku | ok, i got it. |
19:32:42 | johnybyku | is there any way i could help him with that? |
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19:40:05 | fergie | Doe the load to ram work for tagcache? the icon of disk access still comes up when I click on artist, albums, etc. |
19:40:15 | amiconn | Hmm, button handling should be identical to 4g/photo and higher. Probably just ifdefed wrong, as the mini 1G is different |
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19:41:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, the mini1g implementer wanted runtime 2g detection, sounded impractical to me, but I hadn't actually looked at it... |
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19:41:43 | Slasheri | btw, has anyone managed to get the sdl sound working on linux without continuous glitches? I get something like a two seconds of playback and three seconds of silence. |
19:41:46 | amiconn | lostlogic: We should probably consolidate targets before a release, but not right now |
19:42:00 | preglow | amiconn: so, how's it going? |
19:42:00 | Slasheri | fergie: should work, just make sure dircache has been enabled |
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19:42:54 | OPP | quick question, how do i set a backdrop. i put it in the backdrop folder but it still doesnt work |
19:43:22 | lostlogic | amiconn: makes sense... code duplication is going to eat us if we're not careful. |
19:43:41 | lostlogic | OPP: I assume it's the right file format? |
19:43:46 | OPP | 24bit bmp |
19:44:03 | OPP | does it have to be named something special? like bg.bmp |
19:44:14 | OPP | or backdrop.bmp |
19:44:25 | preglow | Slasheri: sound works fine here |
19:44:28 | amiconn | lostlogic: Yes. The bad thing is that sometimes code is identical for units clearly distinguishable by the user, while there are differences when the units look similar |
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19:44:40 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, weird :/ |
19:44:42 | preglow | Slasheri: although it doesn't take much to make it glitch |
19:44:49 | preglow | Slasheri: if i adjust the eq heavily, the buffer underruns |
19:44:54 | amiconn | E.g. button handling of 4g and mini-2g is identical, but mini-1g and mini-2g are different |
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19:45:10 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm.. even cpu is idle, so that shouldn't be a problem.. |
19:45:15 | preglow | Slasheri: specs? |
19:45:21 | Slasheri | maybe there is a too big loop somewhere |
19:45:29 | Slasheri | preglow: intel P4 2.8 GHz |
19:45:32 | preglow | ahaha |
19:45:35 | OPP | any idea lostlogic? |
19:45:36 | preglow | then you should be in the clear |
19:45:43 | preglow | i'm on a 3400+ a64 |
19:46:30 | safetydan | Slasheri, sdl sim sound works for me |
19:46:46 | amiconn | sdl sound works on my linux vm. That is on a Pentium M 1.5GHz |
19:46:47 | safetydan | try changing the buffer length in uisimulator/sdl/sound.c |
19:47:01 | Slasheri | hmm, weird.. i will try that |
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19:47:13 | preglow | safetydan: how long is it now? |
19:47:21 | safetydan | I have a 2 GHz mobile athlon that's usually running around 800 MHz when the sim is playing sound |
19:47:43 | safetydan | preglow, 2048 bytes... but it's only a suggestion to the audio card. 2048 is the recommended value apparently |
19:47:57 | safetydan | actually, maybe it's 2048 samples |
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19:48:33 | PhR3aK | hi |
19:49:09 | preglow | safetydan: does it use only one buffer? |
19:49:36 | PhR3aK | i have a question, ...is it normal that the buttons are only working when backlight is on? i have this issue on my x5 |
19:49:44 | safetydan | preglow, I believe it's magic and up to the sound card |
19:50:10 | lostlogic | OPP: sorry, haven't actually used backdrops, was just throwing out a thought. |
19:50:10 | petur | OPP: browse to it on your player, long-press navi and select 'set as backdrop' |
19:50:12 | PhR3aK | i have the newest cvs on my x5 |
19:50:21 | OPP | AHH |
19:50:23 | OPP | thanks petur |
19:50:33 | preglow | safetydan: most sound apis don't seem to feel that |
19:51:08 | preglow | safetydan: with windows mme and dsound, it's pretty common to use multiple buffer, sometimes having something around a second's worth in total |
19:51:15 | preglow | but i don't really expect it'll help us much |
19:51:19 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, hopefully / maybe we can improve our dealing with that with Linus' target tree |
19:51:25 | preglow | sdl might very well do something like that interally |
19:51:29 | preglow | internally too |
19:51:48 | preglow | lostlogic: i was thinking of starting to port code over to target/ as soon as 3.0 is out |
19:51:57 | preglow | i'm sick of ifdefs |
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19:52:41 | safetydan | preglow, it's more likely to be which driver is being used, alsa, esd, oss, arts, etc |
19:52:47 | preglow | yeah |
19:53:27 | preglow | audio in linux is a dream |
19:53:33 | preglow | a pleasant summernight's dream |
19:54:03 | amiconn | Wee, buttons are working, and rockbox no longer hangs :-) |
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19:54:14 | safetydan | It might be easier if people let go of oss and just used alsa. Which would also eliminate the need for arts and esd (unless you want network audio). |
19:54:35 | amiconn | I can browse the filetree, use the menu |
19:54:51 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm expecting a "Gentlemen..." email before you sleep tonight. |
19:54:54 | lostlogic | amiconn: wow, so it wsa just a matter of activating the 4g code for the 2g mini then? |
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19:55:05 | amiconn | lostlogic: Yes |
19:55:27 | amiconn | In fact changing some ifdefs from APPLE_IPODMINI (defined for all minis) to IPOD_MINI |
19:55:28 | preglow | 2g mini uses 4g code for what? |
19:55:31 | preglow | buttons? |
19:55:33 | amiconn | yes |
19:55:35 | preglow | yeah |
19:56:20 | Slasheri | haha, if i change in sound.c fmt.freq = 44100/2, then audio plays without any glitches but at the half speed. (and cpu idling now too) |
19:57:30 | amiconn | Something is fishy with the lcd driver... |
19:57:33 | Slasheri | and if i remove SDL_Delay from yield() in thread-sdl.c, then playback goes crazy and jumpy. And progress bar in wps jumps much |
19:57:56 | safetydan | Slasheri, try setting SDL_AUDIODRIVER environment variable before running the sim |
19:58:09 | Slasheri | safetydan: hmm, how i should set that? |
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19:58:15 | safetydan | you possible values are dma, oss, alsa, esd, and artsc |
19:58:15 | preglow | amiconn: afaik, the 2g mini lcd driver doesn't even work right in ipl, so you've got a bit of work there |
19:58:26 | Slasheri | ah, i will try that : |
19:58:28 | Slasheri | :) |
19:58:39 | preglow | safetydan, Slasheri: note that setting that environment variable made all audio stop for me, even if i set it to alsa |
19:58:50 | safetydan | interesting |
19:59:02 | safetydan | the sdl docs are somewhat lacking when it comes to that area |
19:59:05 | amiconn | preglow: I suspect lcd-2bit-horz.c |
19:59:32 | amiconn | The access itself works fine, but some rectangles are off (e.g. when clearing things) |
19:59:36 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm, same here.. now i have no sound at all :/ |
19:59:58 | safetydan | Slasheri, apparently SDL_DSP_NOSELECT might also help |
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20:00:02 | goffa__ | PhR3aK: are you still here? |
20:00:09 | PhR3aK | jep |
20:00:13 | safetydan | ftp://ptah.lnf.kth.se/pub/misc/sdl-env-vars is a list of env variables, maybe one of them will help |
20:00:13 | goffa__ | if so, i notice the same behavior on mine |
20:00:28 | goffa__ | the first press activates the backlight |
20:00:36 | PhR3aK | yo |
20:00:36 | goffa__ | 2nd press does whatever you press |
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20:00:52 | PhR3aK | i thought its a feature of rockbox or something |
20:00:55 | goffa__ | i think it was designed that way |
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20:01:11 | goffa__ | which is fine, but kind of the opposite of what it used to do |
20:01:52 | PhR3aK | its sometimes not that practical because i swich songs with my x5 in my pocket |
20:01:53 | amiconn | Wow, this microdrive really spins up fast |
20:01:59 | amiconn | Spinup time: 460 ms |
20:02:14 | goffa__ | yeah... i know |
20:02:20 | goffa__ | you have to remember to press it twice |
20:02:21 | PhR3aK | and then i have to presss the button 2 times... |
20:02:26 | PhR3aK | jep |
20:02:44 | goffa__ | it'll be fine once i get used to it i think |
20:03:01 | PhR3aK | with the newest cvs i didnt notice any sound issues anymore... did you? |
20:03:09 | goffa__ | no |
20:03:19 | goffa__ | they seemed to have fixed that |
20:03:22 | PhR3aK | ok... and what says the battery life? |
20:03:25 | safetydan | goffa__, PhR3aK, I think you can configure the button behaviour |
20:03:34 | goffa__ | cool |
20:03:36 | goffa__ | where? |
20:03:48 | goffa__ | didn't do the battery test.. let me check |
20:03:49 | amiconn | Now the problem is how I commit my button fixes. Both button.c and system.c have unrelated changes I don't want to commit yet |
20:04:02 | amiconn | Seems I have to duplicate my changes in my second tree... |
20:04:20 | safetydan | goffa__, under General Settings -> Display -> LCD Settings -> First Key... something |
20:04:28 | goffa__ | oh.. ok.. i'll look |
20:04:31 | goffa__ | thanks for the tip |
20:04:36 | PhR3aK | no i mean do you own the x5l or x5? i have the x5l but i havent done any tests |
20:04:46 | safetydan | not sure if it controls the behaviour you're seeing though |
20:04:51 | PhR3aK | but i heard that the battery life should not be that good |
20:04:57 | amiconn | Any1 here with a 4G grayscale? |
20:05:09 | goffa__ | hmm... thing has run for like 2 hours.. says 61% and only shows 22 seconds left |
20:05:18 | goffa__ | so i'd say that's not very accurate :) |
20:05:26 | goffa__ | but i can live with that |
20:05:38 | amiconn | preglow: I want wheel clicks... |
20:05:59 | preglow | amiconn: i've got code for it |
20:06:06 | PhR3aK | hm... why does no one know how much mAh the x5l battery got... |
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20:06:52 | goffa__ | PhR3aK: i set mine to 3200mah... |
20:07:00 | goffa__ | it had battery warning flashing for 4 hours |
20:07:05 | PhR3aK | :D |
20:07:07 | goffa__ | so i wouldn't worry about it |
20:07:23 | goffa__ | cool.. safetydan that worked |
20:07:31 | goffa__ | PhR3aK: you should try that too |
20:08:01 | PhR3aK | imo i have the cowon firmware flashed |
20:08:16 | PhR3aK | but i think i will give it a try tonight |
20:08:22 | goffa__ | oh ok |
20:08:33 | goffa__ | yeah... rockbox for me is lightyears better |
20:08:44 | PhR3aK | for me the cowon firmware sounds better... |
20:08:50 | goffa__ | but it gives me access to 30% more music in my collection that i can play |
20:08:52 | PhR3aK | and the battery lasts linger |
20:09:01 | goffa__ | i don't use the "sound enhancements" on the cowon |
20:09:07 | goffa__ | battery does last a lot longer |
20:09:29 | goffa__ | with cowon |
20:09:38 | PhR3aK | i dont use them too |
20:09:49 | PhR3aK | they make the sound kind of unnatural |
20:11:05 | PhR3aK | which version do you own? x5 or x5l? |
20:11:08 | goffa__ | l |
20:11:15 | PhR3aK | ok |
20:11:21 | goffa__ | i think i got 10 hours of playback yesterday |
20:11:29 | goffa__ | maybe 12 |
20:11:38 | goffa__ | but a lot of turning off, turning on, high volume, and random |
20:11:40 | PhR3aK | and then it was empt? |
20:11:44 | PhR3aK | empty |
20:11:54 | goffa__ | yeah |
20:12:00 | safetydan | PhR3aK, there were some changes to the X5 sound code recently that should fix any issues with high frequency sounds on the X5 |
20:12:17 | goffa__ | safetydan: it helped a lot |
20:12:37 | PhR3aK | ok... i will give the new cvs a try |
20:12:40 | goffa__ | i haven't done listening tests with my ety er4-s |
20:12:51 | goffa__ | sounds better on my ascend acoustic setup though |
20:13:18 | PhR3aK | imo im just using the mx 500, my cx 300 should arrive tomorrow |
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20:13:22 | goffa__ | haven't tried my energies in the living room yet either |
20:13:39 | kkurbjun | does anyone know if it's possible to get the ipod mini's to read/write to CF cards that don't have a true IDE mode? I have a broken one and a few CF cards, but I can't mount any of them when they're in the ipod |
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20:14:27 | PhR3aK | the only bad thing for me is that the most wps's have no clock |
20:14:43 | goffa__ | yeah |
20:14:49 | goffa__ | i always wear a watch |
20:14:57 | goffa__ | so i seldom use the clock on the iaudio |
20:15:00 | PhR3aK | i havent got a watch |
20:15:01 | goffa__ | i've been using engineer |
20:15:07 | goffa__ | for my theme |
20:15:13 | goffa__ | black background white foreground |
20:15:30 | goffa__ | i like the what's next |
20:15:54 | PhR3aK | jep me black background an orange foreground... and i used the theme which is the last one seen from the top |
20:16:04 | safetydan | you can always add the clock to the wps |
20:16:13 | PhR3aK | how? |
20:16:35 | PhR3aK | i cant compile... so... |
20:16:42 | amiconn | Why does rolo not work on iPod? It does nothing... |
20:16:58 | safetydan | PhR3aK, wps's are just text files, you can edit them in notepad |
20:17:03 | safetydan | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
20:17:48 | b00st4 | [20:28] <PhR3aK> the only bad thing for me is that the most wps's have no clock |
20:17:53 | goffa__ | wow.. thanks again safetydan |
20:18:00 | b00st4 | i would add one too if i knew how... |
20:18:33 | PhR3aK | hm... i will try that |
20:18:44 | b00st4 | u know, what to edit? |
20:19:07 | PhR3aK | not really... i just wanted to try it out |
20:19:19 | b00st4 | ^^ |
20:19:45 | b00st4 | mustn be too difficult |
20:19:54 | PhR3aK | imo im reading this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
20:20:02 | b00st4 | but if u solve, could ya pls send me a pm? |
20:20:23 | PhR3aK | im not registered so i cant send pm's |
20:20:51 | safetydan | Maybe also read the mistic river forum on WPS creation http://www.misticriver.net/forumdisplay.php?f=142 |
20:21:01 | safetydan | those guys have been creating them for a while |
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20:23:10 | b00st4 | safetydan where should i add the codes to appear in the headline? |
20:23:18 | b00st4 | or status bar |
20:23:22 | PhR3aK | oh man, the iriver 3xx themes look very good |
20:23:27 | PhR3aK | very very good |
20:24:04 | safetydan | b00st4, I haven't actually edited any WPS's myself and it would depend on the wps |
20:24:42 | safetydan | you can always experiment to find out :) |
20:25:27 | b00st4 | so i just have to edit the file on my ipod? no compile? |
20:25:49 | safetydan | no, no compile |
20:25:54 | Moos | on your computer and put it in .rockbox dir |
20:26:33 | goffa__ | wow yeah |
20:26:37 | goffa__ | i like joltamp |
20:27:54 | Slasheri | hmm, changing SDL_Delay(counter++ % 2); in yield() in thread-sdl.c seems to have fixed the playback issue |
20:27:57 | Slasheri | interesting.. |
20:28:14 | safetydan | so sleep 1 or 2 ms? |
20:28:15 | goffa__ | might have to try that tonight when i get home |
20:28:42 | linuxstb | amiconn: Implementing Rolo isn't very useful on the ipods - you have to reboot to enter/leave usb disk mode anyway. So no-one's looked at it. |
20:28:42 | Slasheri | safetydan: it was SDL_Delay(1); and now it's something like SDL_Delay(0.5); |
20:28:58 | safetydan | interesting that would fix it for you |
20:29:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: rolo is useful for rebooting... |
20:29:06 | Slasheri | safetydan: but changing it any lower, causes audio to jump, or higher and it will glitch |
20:29:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is there a reason why config-ipodmini.h defines HAVE_WM8975 ? |
20:29:19 | safetydan | AFAIK SDL_Delay only guarantees 10ms accuracy |
20:29:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: No reason. Looks wrong to me. |
20:29:44 | amiconn | According to the ipl sources, both gen minis have WM8721, which is WM8721 without recording |
20:29:58 | amiconn | Err, the second should be WM8731 |
20:30:31 | preglow | amiconn: if you want to fix rolo, you need to reset some hardware |
20:30:42 | preglow | amiconn: for one, you need to undo the memory mapping |
20:30:43 | amiconn | Is there working WM8731 support in rockbox? |
20:31:07 | linuxstb | I implemented WM8731 support, and it _should_ work, but doesn't. |
20:31:12 | amiconn | hmm... |
20:31:41 | amiconn | Mini 1G didn't have audio working either, did it? |
20:31:58 | linuxstb | No. |
20:32:11 | amiconn | Okay, so I'll change to HAVE_WM8721 |
20:32:30 | amiconn | In fact the minis should have WM8731 but are handled as WM8721 |
20:32:41 | amiconn | 1G and 2G have 'true' WM8721 |
20:32:49 | amiconn | 3G has 8731 |
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20:33:43 | b00st4 | PhR3aK works for me |
20:34:03 | b00st4 | just have to reload the wps |
20:34:07 | PhR3aK | yeah? how did you do it |
20:34:08 | b00st4 | coo |
20:34:09 | b00st4 | thx |
20:34:16 | b00st4 | just edit |
20:34:41 | PhR3aK | ok... but i have to look where there is a free space for the clock right? |
20:34:43 | b00st4 | added %bs and a clock |
20:34:47 | b00st4 | no |
20:34:52 | PhR3aK | no? |
20:35:01 | PhR3aK | i mean on the wps |
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20:35:02 | b00st4 | do it somewhere between the bmps |
20:35:08 | b00st4 | no free space |
20:35:13 | b00st4 | just somewhere |
20:35:15 | PhR3aK | ok |
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20:35:20 | b00st4 | u will see, where it appears |
20:35:27 | b00st4 | than u can chance |
20:35:31 | b00st4 | g |
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20:36:53 | PhR3aK | will it be possible to make themes like this for the x5? http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5092/rockitpreview7rj.png |
20:38:25 | PhR3aK | but i cant use for example iriver themes on my x5 right? |
20:40:36 | Moos | PhR3aK: sure but keep in mind the X5 resolution screen |
20:40:50 | goffa__ | yeah... i forgot what that was |
20:40:54 | goffa__ | pretty low |
20:40:54 | Moos | you will need to resize and adapte |
20:40:58 | PhR3aK | yeah i know 160x128 |
20:41:10 | Moos | then go go |
20:41:13 | Moos | :) |
20:41:29 | PhR3aK | ok... is this very difficult? im not that good coder you know ^^ |
20:41:33 | goffa__ | yeah... i'd be using a smaller font.. thats for sure |
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20:41:45 | Moos | no code knowledge needed |
20:41:49 | PhR3aK | ok |
20:42:03 | Moos | just look at the link safetydan pointed to you |
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20:42:14 | goffa__ | yeah.. change a few variables, etc |
20:42:16 | Moos | it's the WPS "language" |
20:43:19 | Moos | PhR3aK: I'm currently reusing my iriver WPS :-) then no color and others yet :-) |
20:44:35 | fergie | Question how do you put dircache on? I put it on reboot and then it is back off? |
20:44:57 | b00st4 | hmm, cant find the place to edit, that it will appear in statusbar |
20:45:06 | Slasheri | fergie: put it on, exit the menus (go to the dir browser) and then reboot |
20:45:09 | b00st4 | moos are u familiar with wps? |
20:45:39 | Moos | b00st4: not a lot sorry, but what is your problem? |
20:46:16 | b00st4 | i cant get the clock into the statusbar |
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20:46:24 | fergie | Thanks it works now |
20:46:36 | b00st4 | and %bs is always hidden under other icons |
20:46:44 | Moos | boosts4: is it diplays somewhere in the screen? |
20:46:49 | b00st4 | jo |
20:46:54 | b00st4 | right in the middle |
20:47:12 | Moos | then just find one good localisation to put it |
20:47:28 | Moos | I mean where they aren't text displayed |
20:47:29 | b00st4 | i already put it on top and it still was tere |
20:47:54 | Moos | b00st4: do you use sim? |
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20:48:02 | b00st4 | no |
20:48:05 | b00st4 | whats this? |
20:48:13 | Moos | Simulator |
20:48:19 | b00st4 | na |
20:48:43 | b00st4 | just know it with compile |
20:48:52 | b00st4 | what is i good for? |
20:49:12 | Moos | in your case try your WPS in ;-) |
20:49:23 | b00st4 | how can i do that? |
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20:49:38 | Moos | can you compile yourself? |
20:49:43 | b00st4 | jap |
20:49:58 | miner49er | how does one compile oneself? |
20:50:00 | Moos | then choose just sim instead of normal build |
20:50:10 | b00st4 | but not needed for wps i thought |
20:50:14 | Moos | sorry for the english :) |
20:50:22 | b00st4 | its ok |
20:50:26 | Moos | miner49er: but Hi btw |
20:50:26 | b00st4 | im not native too |
20:51:00 | b00st4 | what do i get after compile sim? |
20:51:01 | miner49er | Moos: I was 'joking', sorry english humour. |
20:51:10 | Moos | hehe :-) |
20:51:25 | miner49er | Moos et al: Hi there! |
20:51:34 | Moos | the famous english humour ;) |
20:51:47 | b00st4 | ^^ |
20:51:52 | b00st4 | hi back |
20:52:02 | b00st4 | so? moos |
20:52:13 | miner49er | Moos: yeah, generally just sarcasm... |
20:52:15 | b00st4 | btw, ur german? |
20:52:23 | PhR3aK | im german, btw ;) |
20:52:30 | b00st4 | ^^me2 |
20:52:48 | b00st4 | u already succeeded with ur wps? |
20:52:54 | PhR3aK | but i think were not allowed to speak german here right? |
20:52:57 | PhR3aK | no... |
20:53:07 | PhR3aK | im currently doing homework :D |
20:53:13 | b00st4 | i just cant get it into the status bar, thats all |
20:53:23 | b00st4 | id had to do so too |
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20:53:33 | Moos | b00st4: just build one sim and try on it ! |
20:53:49 | Moos | more fast and easy for test |
20:53:57 | Moos | than on the device |
20:54:30 | b00st4 | whats the difference? |
20:54:36 | b00st4 | normal is easy too |
20:54:39 | b00st4 | and fast |
20:54:39 | b00st4 | ^^ |
20:55:01 | b00st4 | but it wont help me with wps i think, uz its easier to just edit the wps |
20:55:07 | miner49er | Can anyone help me with a small coding issue? |
20:55:19 | Moos | b00st4: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
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20:55:59 | Moos | b00st: can you make screen dump? |
20:56:19 | Moos | of the WPS screen you have |
20:56:49 | miner49er | I'll throw the question in anyway: What does the numerical value passed into button_get_w_tmo actually mean? Is it ms or what? |
20:57:30 | miner49er | How does it relate to the value returned from current_tick |
20:59:25 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK PhR3aK |
20:59:25 | PhR3aK | (b00st4): got icq? |
20:59:48 | miner49er | Actually, forget it. I think I just found my answer! |
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21:00:47 | Moos | miner49er: you are coding one new game again? |
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21:01:11 | b00st4 | jap |
21:01:11 | miner49er | lol, still on the same one. I'm trying to get it accepted into CVS! |
21:01:34 | Moos | good luck then ;) |
21:01:39 | miner49er | But, I want it to be as perfect as possible before I submi my final change. |
21:02:02 | PhR3aK | was the "jap" to my answer? |
21:02:20 | b00st4 | jap |
21:02:29 | PhR3aK | ok... could i add you? |
21:02:56 | b00st4 | moos: so with sim i dont have to put files on my target to see if it works? |
21:03:05 | b00st4 | why, wanna get my ip? |
21:03:06 | b00st4 | :D |
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21:03:58 | bam_ | any good news on the tagdb? |
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21:04:21 | Moos | b00st: that is the purpose of sim |
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21:06:03 | linuxstb | bam_: tagdb is dead. tagcache has been born. |
21:06:27 | Moos | hahaha XD |
21:06:42 | b00st4 | coo, ill check that out |
21:07:39 | b00st4 | im sick of unplugin my ipod all the time :) |
21:08:18 | Moos | :) |
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21:11:06 | XavierGr_ | Open Proxy found on your host. Please visit www.blitzed.org/proxy?ip=62.1.xxx.xxx for more information |
21:11:06 | XavierGr_ | What the hell? |
21:12:17 | preglow | you got a mailserver? |
21:12:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: The WM8731 register definitions are all wrong... |
21:13:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
21:15:03 | XavierGr_ | preglow: no |
21:15:39 | XavierGr_ | I just tried to connect with trillian and it will not let me. It says I am banned. But why can I join from the web client? |
21:15:40 | fergie | Is there any reason why dircache is off by default? |
21:16:04 | XavierGr_ | fergie: Buffer hungry feature |
21:16:22 | fergie | How hungry is I may ask? |
21:16:26 | XavierGr_ | (though I like it like mad) |
21:16:39 | XavierGr_ | depends on your file structure |
21:17:00 | XavierGr_ | for me that I have 4000 tracks it is around 450-500 kB |
21:17:06 | fergie | there is 32 mb buffer in ipod 4G I think? |
21:17:10 | petur | XavierGr: using IE? there's a flaw in it that allows it to be used as a proxy. As a result, your IP can become blacklisted |
21:17:11 | XavierGr_ | yes |
21:17:24 | fergie | so that not that much |
21:17:27 | XavierGr_ | petur: no I use only firefox |
21:17:30 | preglow | XavierGr_: because the web client is based on another host than your own |
21:17:46 | fergie | how can one check the size of the dircache? |
21:17:48 | preglow | fergie: it's also a bit buggy yet |
21:17:57 | XavierGr_ | fegie: debug menu |
21:18:19 | fergie | is that the one with keep out? |
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21:21:12 | fergie | The dircache is 128010 Bytes on my ipod. |
21:22:15 | preglow | oooh |
21:22:20 | preglow | we might have musepack seeking soon |
21:23:28 | Mikachu | does tagcache need dircache? |
21:23:50 | preglow | no |
21:23:55 | Slasheri | Mikachu: no, but it makes it work faster |
21:23:58 | preglow | it it does benefit from it |
21:24:20 | Mikachu | okay |
21:24:40 | Mikachu | i think i saw some places that looked like they waited for dircache to start but i didn't check for ifdefs higher up |
21:24:58 | amiconn | w000t!! |
21:25:11 | amiconn | I have SOUND on mini 2G :-) |
21:25:19 | Mikachu | is that gentlemen material? |
21:25:29 | amiconn | I think so.... |
21:25:36 | Slasheri | Mikachu: to load tagcache in ram, then dircache is required |
21:25:43 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
21:25:50 | Slasheri | amiconn: ooh =) |
21:26:04 | fergie | It benefits a lot, also the disk isn't touched so it sould save battery time. |
21:26:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: In fact I was wrong about the registers. It's just that mini2g uses the WM8731 driver, but has PP5020 instead of PP5002, which wasn't accounted for in rockbox |
21:26:55 | preglow | all the other ipod targets were gentlemen material, so... |
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21:27:12 | * | amiconn is listening to Fiamma Fumana, "1.0" |
21:27:15 | preglow | yank that sentence out of context, and you've got a hit |
21:27:43 | amiconn | Is that a porting speed record, btw? |
21:27:53 | amiconn | ;) |
21:29:09 | preglow | ahahah |
21:29:13 | preglow | sure |
21:29:23 | preglow | got to be something close to it |
21:29:26 | Mikachu | was mini1g already working? |
21:29:30 | linuxstb | :) It took me a similar amount of time to get Rockbox running on the 5g, but I didn't get sound. |
21:29:31 | preglow | Mikachu: no |
21:29:39 | Mikachu | then it's pretty impressive |
21:29:54 | preglow | Mikachu: that is, lots of the code needed was commited, but not working |
21:30:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: So that means the wm8731 driver should be working - it's just the pp5002 parts of it that are wrong? |
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21:30:38 | amiconn | preglow, linuxstb: Btw, I used CONFIG_CPU PP5020 for now. I think I should switch to (true) PP5022 |
21:30:55 | linuxstb | We've done the same for the PP5021 devices - Nano and 5g... |
21:30:59 | amiconn | I'll probably need that for the proper diskmode cookie, right? |
21:31:02 | preglow | amiconn: i don't really think i matters much, only difference i can think of is the iram |
21:31:22 | amiconn | Does PP5021 also have 128KB of IRAM? |
21:31:32 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think I just use IPOD_NANO || IPOD_VIDEO when setting the cookie. |
21:31:39 | linuxstb | Yes. |
21:31:47 | amiconn | Okay, so I have to add IPOD_MINI2G then |
21:32:01 | linuxstb | Just grep for "diskmode" |
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21:34:56 | webmind | out of curiosity, will the ipod port get more optimalisations.. I noticed the osciliscope stops the music evey n-seconds |
21:35:31 | amiconn | linuxstb, preglow: I don't see any mp3 performance problems. |
21:35:36 | Mikachu | maybe it will get optimifications, but probably not optimalisations |
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21:35:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: Try enabling the EQ |
21:36:03 | amiconn | Hmm, is variable frequency enabled? |
21:36:20 | Mikachu | webmind: try lowering the scroll speed from max |
21:36:43 | linuxstb | No - but I think it's just a matter of enabling the #define in the config file. The code works on the Nano/5g but crashes on my 4g Color. |
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21:37:51 | amiconn | preglow: With EQ enabled the buffer fills very slowly |
21:38:03 | linuxstb | bbl |
21:38:05 | preglow | amiconn: it's too slow |
21:38:16 | preglow | amiconn: with mp3 and all eq bands, it skips here |
21:38:24 | amiconn | The UI doesn't lag at all though |
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21:39:09 | preglow | nah, that has improved significantly at some point |
21:39:12 | preglow | i don't really know when |
21:39:18 | preglow | but now even peak meters are pretty fluid |
21:39:29 | amiconn | Yeah, all 5 bands make it skip here as well |
21:40:25 | amiconn | Approximately once every 10 seconds. That's with ~ 177kbps VBR mp3 |
21:40:43 | preglow | mp3 is too slow |
21:40:48 | preglow | and i'm planning to look into it |
21:40:53 | preglow | i alreaedy know synth_full can be made faster |
21:41:19 | preglow | i need to sit down and focus on a couple of things, i've got too much stuff uncommited |
21:41:36 | * | amiconn too |
21:41:37 | preglow | and not too many other people seem interested in codecs |
21:41:53 | amiconn | I'll commit mini2g sound, then turn back to .lang |
21:42:01 | preglow | and i need to find out why the flaming hell iram is so slow |
21:42:03 | preglow | damn, that annoys me |
21:42:18 | Mikachu | codecs are sort of harder than other stuff |
21:43:12 | amiconn | Bah, I really need to look into lcd-2bit-horz.c |
21:43:32 | amiconn | Mono bitmap drawing is fishy, scrolling text looking weird |
21:43:41 | preglow | Mikachu: nah, not really, i very seldom actually have need to actually modify the codecs, i just speed them up |
21:43:49 | preglow | which doesn't even always require asm |
21:46:55 | fergie | Maybe stupid question, but will it ever be possible to beat the playtime of mp3's of the apple firmware? |
21:46:58 | Nico_P | is there anyone here familiar with the playback system ? |
21:47:24 | webmind | Mikachu, is that an osciliscope option, or just the generic rocbox scroll option? |
21:47:41 | Nico_P | i'm having problems with the current read position... |
21:47:48 | Nico_P | i never seem to get it right :( |
21:48:26 | preglow | linuxstb: we got any mini gen1 people? |
21:48:38 | webmind | Mikachu, nm, found it |
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21:51:15 | ipod5G60Gb | k so any one played around ines, i need some help |
21:51:38 | preglow | come again? |
21:53:30 | fergie | anyone who can answer my question? |
21:53:48 | amiconn | I need to fix the port debug screen for iPod mini. It doesn't fit... |
21:54:18 | amiconn | Haha, battery voltage is way off. 11.61V ... |
21:54:36 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i bet the scaler is completely off the bat |
21:54:39 | preglow | it was on nano too |
21:54:45 | preglow | i had a voltage of 10.3 at half gauge |
21:54:49 | Nico_P | no one to help me ? |
21:54:53 | preglow | ahh, right, another thing for me to do |
21:54:57 | preglow | fix the ata sleep hack |
21:55:05 | amiconn | Yes |
21:55:19 | preglow | amiconn: how should i deal with that, really? just pretend that the disk spins for a couple of seconds after each access? |
21:55:32 | amiconn | I'd say just fake the sleep, i.e. let the rockbox code do its sleep magic, just don't send the actual command |
21:55:33 | preglow | ideally the bloody thing should just work, but that seems to be impossible |
21:55:41 | preglow | yeah |
21:55:45 | b00st4 | scripter of ipod_unplug here? |
21:56:25 | bam_ | after searching for a song per say (tagdb) how does one create a playlist from the search? |
21:57:02 | amiconn | I love that microdrive spinup time. Now someone make larger microdrives, please ;) |
21:57:11 | preglow | how fast is it? |
21:58:01 | amiconn | around 500 ms |
21:58:22 | amiconn | preglow: Are nanos always formatted FAT32? |
21:58:22 | preglow | not too shabby |
21:58:26 | amiconn | (disregarding HFS) |
21:58:35 | preglow | amiconn: i think so |
21:58:37 | preglow | i think all newer ipods are |
21:58:47 | amiconn | The 1GB version might be FAT16? |
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21:59:08 | preglow | seriously doubt it |
21:59:15 | amiconn | Why? |
21:59:20 | preglow | doesn't fat16 only support 8.3 ? |
21:59:29 | amiconn | For large files like music, FAT16 has less overhead |
21:59:41 | amiconn | No, that has nothing to do with the FAT bit width |
21:59:44 | preglow | ok |
21:59:47 | preglow | then it might, i have no idea |
21:59:49 | preglow | i still doubt it |
21:59:54 | preglow | apple prefers to stick to their feature set |
21:59:58 | amiconn | The LFN extension is called VFAT, and works on all FAT variants |
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22:00:00 | fergie | What are the chances that newer rockbox versions will beat the total playtime of one battery cycle with the ipod firmware? |
22:00:05 | preglow | ahh, right |
22:00:12 | preglow | fergie: very slim |
22:00:26 | preglow | fergie: the chances are slim we'll ever reach that level |
22:00:47 | amiconn | preglow: I'm asking because we have to support both FAT16 and FAT32 on Ondio, so it would be simple to enable FAT16 support for nano |
22:00:54 | fergie | wath do apple so much better then? |
22:01:15 | preglow | amiconn: well, i've no idea |
22:01:28 | preglow | amiconn: i might find out soon, though, i'm going to mod an ipod 1gig for a client soon |
22:02:14 | amiconn | mod? |
22:02:32 | preglow | yeah, mod and do a small custom rockbox |
22:02:37 | preglow | for acoustics measurements |
22:02:42 | amiconn | ah |
22:02:45 | preglow | am i the first to be paid for rockbox work? :) |
22:02:58 | amiconn | maybe |
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22:04:09 | lostlogic | so fergie's question stands... why is our battery life so bad on ipod? |
22:04:31 | petur | and h3x0... |
22:04:47 | preglow | because our codecs aren't as optimised as apple's |
22:04:52 | preglow | or anything at all |
22:04:55 | amiconn | Our codecs are not as optimised as the commercial ones |
22:05:11 | preglow | apple almost certainly uses a decoder written in pure asm |
22:05:11 | amiconn | ...and on H300 there's the mysterious power drain problem |
22:05:23 | preglow | by people who know what they're doing |
22:05:42 | amiconn | Iriver most probably uses the motorola mp3 decoder |
22:05:55 | fergie | but is it only the codecs where the time is lost? |
22:05:56 | amiconn | ...which is well optimised |
22:05:57 | preglow | and there are plenty of mp3/aac decoders for arm floating around |
22:06:04 | preglow | fergie: no, not only, but very much |
22:06:11 | preglow | fergie: the codecs are by far the biggest cpu drain |
22:06:22 | fergie | ok |
22:06:48 | amiconn | But, I had the impression that the motorola codec doesn't sound as good as libmad |
22:06:57 | preglow | me too |
22:07:01 | preglow | i think they cut some corners |
22:07:08 | preglow | amiconn: btw, you got any idea how much work is left for 1g mini? |
22:07:39 | fergie | this is probably illegal, but can you locate the mp3 decoder in the apple firmware? |
22:07:56 | preglow | fergie:of course |
22:07:59 | preglow | fergie: but it wouldn't help us |
22:08:11 | amiconn | preglow: Probably *very* little, if at all |
22:08:25 | preglow | amiconn: there's a girl i know that wants rockbox on her ipod, and i think she's got a 1g mini. might be able to borrow it to do the port |
22:08:31 | amiconn | mini 1G uses PP5020, and the button driver is already in. |
22:08:40 | preglow | yeah, doesn't look like much is required |
22:08:52 | amiconn | WM8731 driver should work out of the box as soon as I commit it |
22:09:08 | amiconn | It may even just work... |
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22:09:38 | amiconn | Of course there are still some quirks left, but having it playing music is the milestone |
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22:10:38 | amiconn | Good evening to Hanover :) |
22:10:52 | [IDC]Dragon | and to Berlinn |
22:10:56 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
22:10:57 | amiconn | Huh? |
22:11:11 | amiconn | Pls look up the english spelling of Hannover |
22:11:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I see there's one more Ipod in berlin |
22:11:28 | amiconn | yepp |
22:11:35 | amiconn | And it even plays music :)+ |
22:11:41 | [IDC]Dragon | so you went to the dark side |
22:11:44 | amiconn | ...from the HD, without iTunes |
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22:12:01 | * | [IDC]Dragon goes reading backlog |
22:14:32 | Nico_P | noone to help me with the playback code ? |
22:14:51 | [IDC]Dragon | and me with recording? |
22:15:17 | petur | recording? |
22:15:33 | [IDC]Dragon | PCM, on Archos ;-) |
22:15:52 | petur | sorry ;) |
22:16:41 | safetydan | argh, someone would post again to the real names thread |
22:16:56 | petur | it 'll never end :D |
22:16:58 | [IDC]Dragon | I fail to see how to tell the recording it should use parallel port |
22:16:59 | preglow | argh, could someone just ignore the real names thread |
22:17:05 | pfavr | [IDC]Dragon: you're working on PCM recording for Archos? |
22:17:19 | [IDC]Dragon | working is an exaggeration |
22:17:25 | pfavr | ok |
22:17:29 | * | safetydan adds thread to ignore list and never mentions it again |
22:17:32 | petur | or maybe do what the subject says :) |
22:17:50 | pfavr | if you get it working one day I might use it :-) |
22:18:09 | safetydan | On the upside, I have an equalizer screen that scales with the resolution and user chosen font |
22:18:38 | pfavr | goodnight everybody |
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22:21:24 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Huh? The PCM codec only supports PIO for recording, so there's nothing to tell |
22:21:32 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, ok |
22:22:27 | * | [IDC]Dragon has to read more thoroughly |
22:23:19 | amiconn | All the audiocodec registers keep their function when the PCM codec is loaded. Only the DSP memory cells change |
22:23:19 | * | [IDC]Dragon waits for a "Ladies" email |
22:25:17 | preglow | "Fellow living beings, we have sound!" |
22:30:31 | amiconn | Slasheri: You caused a 64bit sim warning... |
22:30:49 | amiconn | (with enabling dircache) |
22:31:24 | amiconn | Bagder, t0mas: Build system seems to hang |
22:31:42 | * | t0mas checks |
22:31:57 | t0mas | tomas@labb:~/rockbox-auto$ Read from remote host rockbox.org: Network is unreachable |
22:32:00 | t0mas | Connection to rockbox.org closed. |
22:32:03 | t0mas | that doesn't look good :) |
22:32:46 | Bagder | its reachable to me |
22:32:51 | t0mas | to me now too |
22:32:54 | t0mas | just had to reconnect |
22:32:55 | obo | b00st4: patch has been updated |
22:33:12 | t0mas | Bagder: 11923 ? 00:00:00 find <defunct> |
22:33:28 | Bagder | yeps, looks weird |
22:33:40 | Bagder | the log says 2 builds left |
22:34:12 | t0mas | try killing it as root? |
22:34:16 | t0mas | I can't kill it :| |
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22:35:29 | b00st4 | cool thx |
22:35:35 | b00st4 | for unhold too? |
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22:35:51 | obo | b00st4: no - new features need to be added as new patches |
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22:36:08 | b00st4 | ok |
22:36:15 | b00st4 | but thx for this one |
22:36:24 | Bagder | its a zombie, its not easily killed |
22:36:26 | b00st4 | when its gonna be embeddet to cvs? |
22:36:31 | obo | b00st4: no worries |
22:36:45 | obo | b00st4: erm, pass |
22:37:06 | b00st4 | pass? |
22:37:12 | biffhero_ | obo, I am trying your headphone patch against a clean CVS checkout |
22:37:22 | obo | b00st4: one of the devs needs to look at it, decide if it's a wanted patch, and if it's good code |
22:37:26 | Bagder | t0mas: kill the whole buildmaster script |
22:37:27 | fergie | Another question: How does the mp3 decoder in Rockbox compares to the apple one quality wise? or is there on difference? |
22:37:40 | biffhero_ | patching file apps/settings.c Hunk #1 succeeded at 578 (offset 1 line). |
22:37:47 | t0mas | Bagder: yeah, that works |
22:37:50 | t0mas | it was the parent |
22:38:09 | Bagder | I figured |
22:38:10 | b00st4 | hope your patch will be in it soon, its really usefull |
22:38:12 | obo | biffhero_: yes, there was a recent commit that affected the patch |
22:38:13 | Bagder | weird though |
22:38:26 | fergie | If've some tracks where the apple decoder always skips, the rockbox one never skips |
22:38:30 | * | Bagder listens to the improved x5 sound |
22:38:38 | Bagder | and hears no difference ;-) |
22:38:41 | biffhero_ | building now |
22:38:43 | obo | b00st4: yup, me too :) |
22:38:59 | t0mas | Bagder: I've fixed the buildlog... on the next rebuild it should just remove the failed line |
22:39:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | fergie: Do you have a Nano or Mini? |
22:39:18 | Bagder | ok |
22:39:22 | fergie | Ipod Color |
22:39:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | fergie: Aah. VBR tracks though? |
22:39:29 | Moos | Bagder: that was bugfix |
22:39:30 | ipod5G60Gb | i have noticed no difference in sound quality on a 5G |
22:39:36 | fergie | The welknown? VBR issue |
22:39:44 | Bagder | Moos: I know |
22:39:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | fergie: The VBR issue doesn't affect rockbox. CPU frequency adjustments are handled quite differently. |
22:40:46 | Moos | Bagder: I happily listened sound for my musics need yesterday and today, that Rocks! :) |
22:40:56 | fergie | yep it has only improvements compared to apple |
22:41:51 | fergie | If only Rockbox would have 80% of apple's playtime it would be perfect |
22:44:17 | preglow | it'll come |
22:44:21 | preglow | but there's a long way to go |
22:44:42 | preglow | and the bloody lack of documentation isn't helping |
22:44:49 | * | preglow curses portalplayer |
22:44:57 | linuxstb | fergie: Have you done any comparisons of battery life? |
22:45:37 | fergie | No complete battery tests |
22:46:28 | fergie | Maybe I will run a complete one tomorrow |
22:46:38 | amiconn | Bagder: Could you setup a mini2g target build? |
22:46:38 | Bagder | amiconn: you think we should add a 2g mini to the cvs builds? |
22:46:42 | Bagder | hahaha |
22:46:43 | amiconn | hehe |
22:47:01 | amiconn | Sim is not yet possible - image missing |
22:47:08 | Bagder | ok |
22:47:10 | * | amiconn needs to scan his mini |
22:47:14 | Bagder | but boot is? |
22:47:18 | amiconn | yep |
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22:48:17 | preglow | doom has _massive_ warnings in gcc 4.1 |
22:48:19 | preglow | of the type: |
22:48:21 | fergie | Btw are there some risk at letting ipod run till it completely drained the vattery? |
22:48:22 | preglow | p_ceilng.c:94: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules |
22:48:28 | preglow | fergie: nah, don't think so |
22:48:38 | preglow | fergie: but i recommend avoiding it |
22:48:58 | fergie | But how will I know it's empty? |
22:49:18 | biffhero_ | obo: know what's funny? if you set your duration to rewind to 3 seconds, by don't set 'pause on headphone unplug' to 'yes', you might think it is broken. |
22:49:31 | preglow | fergie: it shuts off... |
22:49:57 | fergie | And why do you recommend avoiding it? ;) |
22:50:16 | preglow | because i'm not completely certain how good apple's hardware failsafes are |
22:50:47 | amiconn | The failsafe has to be part of the battery controller for LiIon |
22:50:52 | obo | biffhero_: what was 'pause on headphone unplug' set to? off/pause/pause and resume? |
22:51:07 | fergie | ok |
22:51:09 | amiconn | Otherwise these beast would be quite dangerous |
22:51:17 | amiconn | *beasts |
22:51:29 | biffhero_ | obo: it was set to 'off'. ha! |
22:51:56 | obo | biffhero_: if it's set to off then it skips the entire thing |
22:51:56 | preglow | anyone with a nano currently here? |
22:52:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I am |
22:52:12 | obo | biffhero_: can you check it's still set to off? |
22:52:16 | biffhero_ | obo: yeah, I figured that out, after 3 seconds of 'huh?' |
22:52:22 | fergie | It's sooo nice I can finally listen to cd's without enervating myself about the pauses between tracks. |
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22:52:40 | biffhero_ | obo: yeah, it leaves it to 'off' even after you mess with the 'duration to rewind' |
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22:53:08 | obo | biffhero_: ah, okay, I see what you're getting at. |
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22:53:11 | tucoz | anyone know how to replace all occurrance of tab with a space |
22:53:16 | tucoz | in a file |
22:53:26 | biffhero_ | tucoz: i can do it in emacs |
22:53:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Many good editors can do it for you. |
22:53:34 | tucoz | biffhero_, oh. tell me |
22:53:40 | tucoz | I use emacs |
22:53:41 | biffhero_ | M-% |
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22:53:44 | safetydan | tucoz, s/\t/ /g |
22:53:59 | biffhero_ | ^Q^I RET <sp> RET ! |
22:54:01 | safetydan | assuming you actually want a single space |
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22:54:24 | tucoz | sure, I just want the tabs removed |
22:54:34 | tucoz | and let emacs do the indenting |
22:54:56 | tucoz | safetydan, is that with sed or something? |
22:55:21 | safetydan | tucoz, it's a regular expression so anything that supports those |
22:55:21 | amiconn | preglow, linuxstb: Btw, why are there 2 types of ipod #defines? |
22:55:26 | safetydan | I'd be shocked if emacs couldn't do it |
22:55:31 | tucoz | safetydan, it can :) |
22:55:46 | amiconn | One set with configure, IPOD_* |
22:55:52 | Bagder | tucoz: M-x untabify |
22:55:59 | biffhero_ | badger: good one |
22:56:00 | amiconn | Another one set in config-ipod*.h, APPLE_IPOD* |
22:56:03 | tucoz | Bagder, ah, thanks |
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22:56:13 | biffhero_ | tucoz: you didn't see my emacs-way to do it? |
22:56:20 | Bagder | and we have 42 builds |
22:56:32 | tucoz | biffhero_, yes. But I didn't get the ^Q^I part |
22:56:41 | biffhero_ | control-q |
22:56:43 | biffhero_ | control-i |
22:56:56 | Bagder | that's not a working approach |
22:57:06 | Bagder | untabify replaces it with the proper number of spaces |
22:57:25 | biffhero_ | he said he only wanted 1 space, so that's what I did. I see that untabify uses tab-width |
22:57:25 | safetydan | Bagder's method will definitely be more what you want |
22:57:36 | tucoz | biffhero_, thanks anyway :) |
22:57:44 | Bagder | ah |
22:58:10 | tucoz | biffhero_, I din't know there was a untabify command, and I just wanted to get rid of the tabs and do the indenting afterwards |
22:58:31 | [IDC]Dragon | 'night! |
22:58:35 | Bagder | hehe, the warnings wander ;-) |
22:58:38 | safetydan | weird, I get a divide by zero exception in eq.c when I start the ipod video sim |
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22:58:44 | Bagder | 64bit sims only |
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23:00:07 | preglow | safetydan: well, perhaps the cutoff is 0 some place, then |
23:00:21 | obo | biffhero_: if pause is off and rewind is set, there is no way to tell how long the phones were out for, so I'm not sure why rewinding a set amount would help.... |
23:00:40 | amiconn | Slasheri: r u there? |
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23:01:30 | biffhero_ | obo: it was my mistake. I forgot to do the pause setting, only ran in and hit the rewind setting really quickly, and then went "D'oh!" when it didn't work. my bad |
23:01:41 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's a good question about the ipod #defines. I can't see a need for the APPLE_* set defined in the config files. |
23:01:55 | amiconn | yes, that's what I mean |
23:02:12 | obo | biffhero_: ah, okay |
23:02:15 | amiconn | I went for the configure ones, but having both might be misleading... |
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23:02:35 | * | amiconn is going to test variable CPU frequency now |
23:02:40 | linuxstb | Yes, I think we should get rid of the APPLE ones. |
23:02:45 | safetydan | preglow, it was probably that, forgot to delete the sector3D.bin file |
23:03:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: The APPLE_* ones are used in quite a number of places... Some search & replace work is needed. |
23:03:46 | obo | is it possible to get some dev feedback on 4899?? |
23:03:55 | linuxstb | Yes. I'll do it, but not until tomorrow. |
23:04:01 | linuxstb | (unless you want to do it...) |
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23:04:43 | preglow | amiconn: just disabling the sleep commands doesn't change anything |
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23:04:48 | preglow | i really wonder what this problem comes from |
23:06:09 | safetydan | Comments on the potential new eq layout here? http://iocaine.org/new-eq.png |
23:06:19 | safetydan | Basically vertical sliders with two lines of text at the bottom |
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23:06:27 | safetydan | scales with user selected font and screen resolution |
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23:07:15 | amiconn | safetydan: Does it fit the mini's screen? |
23:07:30 | amiconn | (afaik the smallest across all devices supporting eq) |
23:08:25 | amiconn | preglow: CPU boost is working just fine on mini 2g |
23:08:43 | * | linuxstb curses his 4g Color... |
23:08:45 | Doomed9 | any tagcache updates? |
23:08:58 | preglow | amiconn: how nice |
23:09:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: Are you sure it doesn't work? |
23:09:14 | preglow | safetydan: if it scales, then it's just fine |
23:09:24 | Doomed9 | oh yeah! gotta get the new cvs |
23:09:30 | amiconn | Perhaps you didn't replace everything when you tried. The api changes with it... |
23:10:08 | amiconn | preglow: Hell, 68% boost ratio with mp3... |
23:10:23 | * | b00st4 kisses his ipod 5g :) |
23:10:36 | linuxstb | I haven't tried it since before preglow committed it, but it just caused random crashes when playing audio. |
23:10:47 | linuxstb | Maybe it's time to give it another go... |
23:11:06 | amiconn | Crashes how often? |
23:11:09 | Doomed9 | linuxstb what are u talking about |
23:11:21 | linuxstb | amiconn: Did you just define HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ in the config file? |
23:11:25 | amiconn | yes |
23:12:00 | preglow | amiconn: i didn't joke when i said it was slow |
23:12:03 | biffhero_ | I see the tagcache sorts by track number now |
23:12:08 | preglow | amiconn: even tremor is faster than mp3 at most bitrates |
23:12:12 | linuxstb | I think it was whenever it tried to change the speed. |
23:12:24 | linuxstb | Doomed9: Dynamic CPU frequency on the 4G. |
23:12:46 | Doomed9 | ok |
23:12:55 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, CPU frequency is working on nano and video (and now, mini2g)? |
23:13:06 | preglow | amiconn: is there anything that says i can't just comment out the sleep commands and have it work? |
23:13:09 | preglow | amiconn: everything but 4g |
23:13:12 | preglow | amiconn: and untested platforms |
23:13:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:13:33 | preglow | amiconn: so yeah, basically what you said :) |
23:13:38 | amiconn | So perhaps there's a problem on PP5020. Iiuc nano and video are PP5021, and mini2g is PP5022 |
23:13:45 | preglow | perhaps |
23:13:49 | linuxstb | We only have the 1g mini and 4g greyscale without developers now. |
23:13:52 | preglow | i bet we'll find out if i get my hands on that 1g mini |
23:13:58 | miner49er | I've added the final version of asteroids, can it be added into CVS now please? |
23:14:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: and the 1g 2g and 3g iPods |
23:14:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: The odd thing is that the code is taken from IPL, and was written for the PP5020. |
23:14:21 | miner49er | well, perhaps someone could test it on the irIver and Ipod for me? |
23:14:39 | preglow | linuxstb: bet they never used it like we do, though |
23:14:57 | Nico_P | still nobody to help me with the playback engine ? |
23:15:00 | linuxstb | True. |
23:15:14 | biffhero_ | miner49er: test asteroids on the 5G? |
23:15:26 | Nico_P | i'm almost there, i just have a few ogg failures left |
23:15:35 | Nico_P | "just" |
23:15:38 | miner49er | Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. |
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23:16:16 | amiconn | Btw, the default font is quite large on the mini's LCD |
23:16:39 | amiconn | I'm using the same font as I do on archos now: rockfont-8 |
23:16:59 | miner49er | biffhero: It might work, if it doesn't let me know soon, whilst i'm in the mood for playing with it. I could try and get the sim working for it I 'spose |
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23:17:22 | biffhero_ | miner49er: where do I find the code? |
23:17:22 | RoC_MM | preglow? |
23:17:27 | preglow | RoC_MM: yo |
23:17:32 | RoC_MM | Did the benchmark. |
23:17:36 | preglow | cool |
23:17:41 | preglow | got the file stuffed somewhere? |
23:17:49 | miner49er | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2864 −−the last entry has the latest version |
23:18:00 | Bagder | t0mas: happened again |
23:18:03 | RoC_MM | I'm curious if the informatiion between the last disk access and the battery failure is important...or is that data lost? |
23:18:06 | RoC_MM | nyet |
23:18:08 | linuxstb | I enabled the adjustable CPU frequency, and my 4g Color crashed immediately after displaying the file browser. |
23:18:11 | biffhero_ | miner49er: ok, going against latest cvs + 4899 |
23:18:22 | amiconn | t0mas, Bagder: Builds hanging again... |
23:18:33 | Bagder | yeps |
23:18:40 | preglow | RoC_MM: won't know until we see it |
23:18:45 | RoC_MM | k |
23:18:54 | RoC_MM | i'll post when it's up |
23:19:35 | biffhero_ | miner49er: do I just put it in rockbox/apps/plugins/ and then re-run make ? |
23:20:08 | miner49er | biffhero: You'll have to it add asteroids.c to SOURCES as well |
23:20:08 | linuxstb | Now Rockbox won't even start - it just freezes whilst still displaying the bootloader screen... |
23:20:32 | preglow | linuxstb: that's just weird |
23:20:39 | preglow | linuxstb: at that point, it shouldn't have boosted much |
23:20:39 | safetydan | amiconn, it scales itself based in LCD_WIDTH, etc so it should work on "any" resolution |
23:20:45 | biffhero_ | k |
23:20:52 | preglow | linuxstb: perhaps the lower cpu freq sits really badly with it? |
23:20:57 | preglow | linuxstb: care to tweak the prescalers a bit? |
23:20:59 | safetydan | now to see if I have time to finish it before disappearing for a month |
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23:21:54 | linuxstb | preglow: Sure. I think I tried that before though. Any suggestions? |
23:22:05 | preglow | linuxstb: no, not anything i can think of |
23:22:11 | preglow | try using predominantely high freqs or something |
23:22:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: Perhaps try different fixed frequencies? |
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23:23:13 | amiconn | (preferably the ones that would be used in the adjustable system) |
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23:23:48 | b00st4 | n8 @ all, im off |
23:23:58 | obo | night |
23:24:15 | * | Bagder builds manuals... many manuals |
23:24:41 | tucoz | is it Iaudio or IAudio, for the manual that is. |
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23:24:57 | preglow | you know my stance on that question :-) |
23:25:06 | tucoz | yes, Iaudio then |
23:25:16 | preglow | yeah, sure, but i'm not an authority |
23:25:28 | preglow | all i want is that we use the same thing throughout |
23:25:43 | preglow | well, that's predominantely what i want, at least, heh |
23:25:50 | ashridah | $(iaudio) or whatever the latex equivalent to a macro is |
23:25:57 | preglow | \iaudio |
23:26:04 | tucoz | ashridah, yes. We will use a macro |
23:26:04 | preglow | cumbersome to do that everywhere, though |
23:26:05 | Doomed9 | cvs update |
23:26:15 | preglow | you need to use a \ after every macro if you want a space |
23:27:14 | tucoz | not an iaudio-specific macro though |
23:27:29 | ashridah | well, true, platform, not 'iaudio' |
23:27:38 | ashridah | ah, crap. |
23:27:49 | * | ashridah heads off to uni :S |
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23:28:09 | RoC_MM | preglow, it's posted: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
23:28:47 | preglow | ouch, five hours |
23:28:55 | preglow | not exactly the very epitome of impressive |
23:29:05 | RoC_MM | it's not exactly a new battery either |
23:29:16 | RoC_MM | and the other two aren't more than 30 minutes away from my time either |
23:29:18 | preglow | RoC_MM: but it was fully charged, yeah? |
23:29:23 | RoC_MM | yes fully charged |
23:29:25 | preglow | excellent |
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23:29:37 | tucoz | hmm, I think we drop the Apple use in the manual. And refer to them as Ipod instead |
23:29:37 | amiconn | preglow: Would your backlight dimmer stuff also work on mini 2g? |
23:29:37 | preglow | linuxstb: you got any idea how to fix the battery gauge from the data in that file? |
23:29:41 | preglow | amiconn: try it |
23:29:47 | amiconn | how? |
23:29:52 | RoC_MM | had headphones plugged in at reasonable listening volume with it just sitting there doing it's own thing playing from a playlist of all the songs on it |
23:30:09 | amiconn | Any special #define? |
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23:30:20 | preglow | amiconn: you just need to define BACKLIGHT_HAVE_PWM_FADING in the config |
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23:30:37 | preglow | ahh, no |
23:30:43 | preglow | HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING |
23:30:45 | * | preglow is tired |
23:30:58 | Doomed9 | erm...can u view lyrics in rockbox |
23:31:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doomed9: Yes and no. Not synced, but there's a text viewer. |
23:31:34 | Doomed9 | so u cant look at the lyrics that are in the ID3 tage> |
23:31:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
23:32:09 | amiconn | The mini 2g seems to have some sort of hardware dimming. The backlight fades out over a short period |
23:32:21 | biffhero_ | miner49er: a couple of observations. 1. the ship seems small on 5G. 2. the evil spaceships seem to come out too quickly, in the first level, at the beginning 3. the shots from the flying saucer is the same size as the pieces of rock or saucer that are flying by. Could the bitmap for the ship have a thing out the back while thrusting? |
23:32:27 | preglow | amiconn: you mean by default? |
23:32:31 | amiconn | yes |
23:32:37 | preglow | i think all ipods have that |
23:32:39 | preglow | 4g also has |
23:32:44 | preglow | but i don't know how to enable for the other platforms |
23:33:11 | preglow | then i seriously doubt pwm fading will look very pretty |
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23:33:20 | biffhero_ | miner49er: I have shot straight through the heart of the saucer a few times, and not scored a hit |
23:33:42 | preglow | lostlogic: omglolroflmao? |
23:34:49 | preglow | tucoz: my kind of commit! :-) |
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23:34:55 | tucoz | :) |
23:35:27 | RoC_MM | preglow, is there any way to know or track or get an idea of how the progress on 4G battery indicator is coming? |
23:35:31 | lostlogic | preglow: ? |
23:35:33 | miner49er | biffhero: I'm amazed it runs! I've copied your comments and will work on them. Thanks for testing. But bascially, you don't hytin it's ready for CVS entry then? |
23:35:44 | amiconn | preglow: Fading backlight itself is working - but it breaks playback (!) |
23:36:09 | amiconn | You can still play music, but it's all distorted, and skipping from time to time |
23:36:13 | preglow | lostlogic: how do i fix battery meter from a battery log file? |
23:36:19 | biffhero_ | miner49er: no, quite the opposite. I think that it is ready for CVS, just fix some bugs as time goes by |
23:36:20 | preglow | lostlogic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodRuntime/battery_bench.txt |
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23:36:26 | miner49er | biffhero: Hmm, i've seen that too. Okay, comments appreciated. I'll look into it :-) |
23:36:37 | preglow | RoC_MM: just wait a sec and we'll see |
23:36:46 | RoC_MM | OK. |
23:36:56 | webguest26 | phaedrus961: are you here? I'm the submitter of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4955 .. I am running the latest version of convbdf. On Linux, 32-bit intel, gcc-4.0.3 |
23:37:08 | preglow | amiconn: well, weird.. |
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23:37:49 | preglow | amiconn: i have no idea why it'd do that, HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING basically just enabled the old h1x0 specific backlight fading code which i adapted to be platform agnostic |
23:37:54 | biffhero_ | miner49er: odd, I can't get out of it now |
23:37:58 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/ |
23:38:00 | Bagder | tadaaa |
23:38:06 | * | preglow falls over |
23:38:27 | tucoz | Bagder, yikes. Now it's out in the open. |
23:38:28 | miner49er | biffhero: that's not good. Maybe the key mapping isn't set up properly for iPod. |
23:38:30 | * | tucoz hides |
23:38:31 | lostlogic | preglow: use it to determine 0...10...20... ...90 ... 100% battery voltage in centivolt levels, then put an #ifdef IPOD_NANO those values #else in powermgmt.c near line 184 |
23:38:44 | biffhero_ | miner49er: I was able to exit before.... |
23:38:47 | Bagder | tucoz: indeed it is! |
23:38:49 | preglow | Bagder: got any fancy-ass auto-building going on for those? |
23:38:55 | Bagder | yeps |
23:38:59 | lostlogic | preglow: also cahnge the battery level dangerous for the nano in there in a similar fashion (just above the 0% level) |
23:39:00 | Bagder | this is done with it |
23:39:04 | miner49er | biffhero: I'm confused as to what keys are actually available - I need a diagram or something |
23:39:19 | * | linuxstb decides to read the manual and find out how Rockbox actually works |
23:39:24 | biffhero_ | miner49er: select+menu is usually the exit key |
23:39:37 | preglow | linuxstb: would you mind doing this? i can't test it in any way |
23:39:55 | lostlogic | preglow: the values in that log seem to be with the scale factor wrong, so you'll have to rescale them to get real ones |
23:39:55 | preglow | not having a 4g ipod and all |
23:39:56 | tucoz | I should write a mail to some mailing list to excuse the state the manual is in :) |
23:39:58 | miner49er | biffhero: Is that what worked previously then? |
23:40:03 | biffhero_ | miner49er: yes |
23:40:04 | preglow | lostlogic: well, i don't know the scale factor |
23:40:19 | preglow | lostlogic: and i expect i'll have to pop my player open to find that out |
23:40:22 | lostlogic | preglow: it's probably whatever's in CVS, so just rescale from that to the correct one in ipod video cvs |
23:40:27 | lostlogic | preglow: no, no need for that |
23:40:35 | biffhero_ | miner49er: I think there is some sort of problem between the 'fire to start', and 'fire+menu' to exit |
23:40:36 | lostlogic | preglow: we don't care about _real_ measured battery voltage |
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23:40:41 | lostlogic | we only care about the voltage the ADC reports |
23:40:56 | biffhero_ | miner49er: maybe "hyperspace to start game" would be the right way |
23:41:01 | Bagder | tucoz: I think you can expect to start getting more feedback at least :-) |
23:41:01 | lostlogic | preglow: so why not just use the scale factor the ADC datasheet tells us to? |
23:41:12 | preglow | lostlogic: didn't know it specified one |
23:41:19 | miner49er | biffhero: pfuh, gawd knows what's causing that then. Can you start adn play and stuff. Is it only exiting that isn't working? |
23:41:20 | tucoz | Bagder, that is why I'll write a mail. |
23:41:26 | Bagder | hehe |
23:41:42 | lostlogic | preglow: it specifies the forumula to calculate voltage from ADC value, which I applied to determine the scale factor, which is the same for any ipod with a pcf5060x |
23:41:42 | tucoz | Bagder, will the manual be linked from some page? |
23:41:52 | biffhero_ | miner49er: yes, I am stuck playing now (and listening to my podcasts) until I reboot |
23:41:53 | bluebrother^ | I just saw the download links for the manual. Is it build regularly? Say, daily? |
23:41:55 | Bagder | yes, I'll make something like the daily build page |
23:41:59 | tucoz | Ok. |
23:42:03 | Bagder | bluebrother^: yeps |
23:42:08 | miner49er | biffhero: Why is that preferable to "Fire to start"? |
23:42:08 | bluebrother^ | nice :) |
23:42:10 | Bagder | daily built manuals |
23:42:14 | biffhero_ | miner49er: also, I think maybe a top end for the thrust speed is a good idea. I just flew through an asteroid |
23:42:31 | biffhero_ | miner49er: use 'down', or 'hyperspace' |
23:43:21 | Bger | mote |
23:43:24 | Bger | uf |
23:43:25 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: I have made some changes to the headings. |
23:43:25 | Bger | nite |
23:43:26 | Bger | :) |
23:43:28 | preglow | lostlogic: aight |
23:43:32 | tucoz | bluebrother^, perfect :) |
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23:43:36 | miner49er | biffhero: I will work on getting the simulator working I think |
23:43:45 | lostlogic | preglow: so from the log file, I'd probably create a graph of time vs. mv, pick out the 11 points I need, then rescale them, then stick them in the powermgmt.c with an ifdef and it's fairly likely to work |
23:44:10 | preglow | i just bloody need to make ata.c work properly without the sleep hack and i'll do it for nano |
23:44:13 | miner49er | biffhero: Use down or hyperspace for what? |
23:44:22 | biffhero_ | miner49er: to start the game |
23:44:27 | bluebrother^ | still some minor glitches but I like it better. |
23:44:34 | tucoz | cool |
23:44:53 | biffhero_ | miner49er: start a game, hold down 'up', and get going so fast that you only appear on the screen 3 times per time around. cool! |
23:45:43 | preglow | amiconn: i don't think you answered, so i'll just regurgitate the question. does anything completely obvious say that i can't just comment out the actual ata sleep commands and expect stuff to work? |
23:46:12 | amiconn | no |
23:46:23 | amiconn | I'd expect it to work |
23:46:47 | miner49er | biffhero: I still understand why hyperspace is preferable to fire to start a game. And that normal space physics isn't it? You keep thrusting, you get faster and faster! lol :-) |
23:47:21 | preglow | amiconn: it doesn't :/// |
23:47:32 | preglow | so i'm really curious as to where the bug is |
23:47:42 | amiconn | What happens? |
23:48:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | miner49er: Somewhat, but there's also dust in space, especially around an asteroid belt or whatnot. In "real" space, going too fast would result in micropunctures and eventually death. |
23:48:25 | preglow | amiconn: when i try to access anything disk based, rockbox just hangs for a number of seconds, then pretends nothing happens |
23:48:55 | biffhero_ | miner49er: yes, normal physics, that's true. :-) but not normal asteroids. ;-) |
23:49:06 | miner49er | Paul_the_nerd: Yeah, but my spaceship has a special shield that protects it from dust...but not asteroids! |
23:49:15 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, weird |
23:49:26 | biffhero_ | miner49er: I also seem to recall that in asteroids there was a speed decay, but I don't see one in your version |
23:49:39 | amiconn | Very weird, just like that backlight fading disturbs playback... |
23:50:07 | preglow | amiconn: like loading a plugin, it just says 'loading' for around three seconds, then indicates failure |
23:50:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | biffhero_: There's a GPLed asteroids out there, because they were distributing it at Gamestop as a J2ME app from this little kiosk. It's J2ME obviously, but the physics in it seemed pretty correct |
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23:51:48 | webguest26 | Am I the only one who gets a segfault if I try to convbdf this file: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/xorg/xc/fonts/bdf/100dpi/UTB___24.bdf ? |
23:51:56 | preglow | amiconn: everything disk based just doesn't work, and the only change i have in the file now is not writing those commands to the ata controller, it makes no sense |
23:53:34 | miner49er | bigghero: I'm gonna see if if I can scale the asteroids up...what the resolution of the iPod? |
23:53:47 | bluebrother^ | tucoz: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4966 |
23:53:58 | tucoz | thank you |
23:54:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | miner49er: 176x132, 220x176 and 320x240 for Nano, Photo, and Video I believe |
23:54:13 | bluebrother^ | I hope I'll finish the buttonmap environment tomorrow. |
23:54:25 | miner49er | lol @ bigghero! |
23:54:37 | miner49er | I meant biffhero, hee hee...hic |
23:54:48 | tucoz | bluebrother^, I am looking forward to that. |
23:54:50 | tucoz | :) |
23:54:57 | miner49er | Paul_the_nerd: Excelllent, cheers dude. |
23:55:45 | amiconn | preglow: What I would try: |
23:56:36 | amiconn | Completely comment out ata_perform_sleep() for nano, and comment out the call to it in the ata thread |
23:56:46 | miner49er | Paul_the_nerd: Whilst we're at it, what's the res. on the iRiver? archos is 112*64 Isn't it? |
23:56:49 | amiconn | Removed all other nano adjustments |
23:57:03 | dpassen1 | iRiver iHP-1x0 = 160*128 |
23:57:36 | amiconn | (i.e. the one in ata_disk_is_active()) |
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23:58:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | miner49er: I think that's right for Archos. Iriver H300 is the same as iPod Photo, and H100 is as dpassen1 said I think1 |
23:58:43 | bluebrother^ | I also think a \note{} command would be good. |
23:58:56 | tucoz | what does that do? |
23:59:01 | scf | whats is screen resolution of H300? |
23:59:01 | tucoz | ah, I get it |