| 00:00:00 | | Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 00:00:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not *yet* |
| 00:00:45 | goffa_ | yeah.. they're working on it |
| 00:00:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it seems progress has been made in that direction, so for once I think hope is warranted. :) |
| 00:01:02 | Apostle^ | wouldn't you guys have to pay |
| 00:01:05 | Apostle^ | for .wma format thoug |
| 00:01:08 | Apostle^ | doesn |
| 00:01:11 | Apostle^ | t microsoft own it |
| 00:01:21 | goffa_ | no... they are working on their own code |
| 00:01:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's an open source implementation that's being adapted. |
| 00:01:37 | Apostle^ | .wma blows anyway |
| 00:01:38 | Apostle^ | :-P |
| 00:01:41 | goffa_ | yep |
| 00:01:42 | Apostle^ | either FLAC or mp3 for me |
| 00:01:51 | Mikachu | why not flac and ogg? |
| 00:01:52 | goffa_ | i'd rather have musepack than wma any day |
| 00:02:16 | goffa_ | and yeah.. i seem to prefer ogg these days.. well ogg and flac |
| 00:02:27 | muesli__ | goffa i c u didnt turn to stone ;) |
| 00:02:41 | goffa_ | ha ha ha... not yet |
| 00:02:51 | Apostle^ | i dont like ogg |
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| 00:03:01 | goffa_ | when did you last try it? |
| 00:03:18 | Apostle^ | awhile ago |
| 00:03:20 | Apostle^ | sounds weird to me |
| 00:03:30 | goffa_ | ah.. its improved recently |
| 00:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, tell me tell me tell me you did not transcode from MP3 to OGG |
| 00:03:42 | goffa_ | and q6-7 sounds pretty good to me |
| 00:03:44 | Mikachu | um, has it changed at all in the last couple of years? |
| 00:03:45 | dpassen1 | I've still never found a reason to leave the universality of MP3 |
| 00:03:46 | linuxmatt | k well i'm gonna go so byebye |
| 00:03:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've heard so many people say that ogg sounds funny, and then I hear they transcoded. |
| 00:04:01 | goffa_ | EW cardinal sin.. .transcoding lossy |
| 00:04:05 | muesli__ | i dont like ogg too |
| 00:04:08 | | Quit linuxmatt ("Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...") |
| 00:04:10 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: i transcode 192kbps mp3 to 100kbps ogg |
| 00:04:15 | * | Mikachu watches Paul_The_Nerd fall over and die |
| 00:04:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | dpassen1: Some of us avoid MP3 simply because... *dies* |
| 00:04:34 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters something in his last moments about being philosophically opposed to software patents. |
| 00:04:53 | | Join harbel [0] (n=harbel@chtwpe0105w-142068115155.pppoe-dynamic.pei.aliant.net) |
| 00:04:59 | dpassen1 | Understood, but its such a standard, and LAME does high quality at ~200kbps and Gapless |
| 00:05:09 | Apostle^ | rockbox is worth using just so you can drag/drop music to the ipod |
| 00:05:13 | Mikachu | mp3 is an algorithm patent though |
| 00:05:13 | dpassen1 | I like being able to send a friend a song |
| 00:05:14 | goffa_ | what gives me best quality is taking 128 mp3.. transcoding to vqf, then to flac... then to wav |
| 00:05:23 | dpassen1 | vqf, nice |
| 00:05:23 | goffa_ | takes a while longer.. but the file size is worth it |
| 00:05:26 | goffa_ | :P |
| 00:05:27 | Apostle^ | vqf |
| 00:05:29 | Apostle^ | never heard of it |
| 00:05:34 | Mikachu | very queer format |
| 00:05:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: But that's basically what software patents are, are patents on algorithms, which in the end are math. |
| 00:05:59 | goffa_ | 96 was the highest bitrate it allowed |
| 00:05:59 | goffa_ | well when i last followed it |
| 00:06:00 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: not like the amazon one click thing and similar retarded things |
| 00:06:05 | goffa_ | and it was really good for 96... but it was still 96 |
| 00:06:20 | borges|afk_ | is it possible to find out what font is loaded at the moment? |
| 00:06:25 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: but i think i do agree with you :) |
| 00:06:28 | dpassen1 | I remember hearing that WMA at a time was bsed on VQF |
| 00:06:31 | muesli__ | btw what was the reason to break playback so badly? |
| 00:06:34 | dpassen1 | *based |
| 00:06:37 | | Nick borges|afk_ is now known as borges_ (n=chatzill@85.178.50.203) |
| 00:06:43 | Mikachu | muesli__: for fun |
| 00:06:54 | muesli__ | of course ;) |
| 00:06:56 | | Join grout58 [0] (n=grout@69-164-124-150.sbtnvt.adelphia.net) |
| 00:06:58 | Mikachu | muesli__: the end result should be better hopefully |
| 00:06:58 | muesli__ | what else.. |
| 00:06:59 | goffa_ | no... wma wasn't based on vqf |
| 00:07:10 | Mikachu | muesli__: the code was a bit crazy i hear |
| 00:07:13 | grout58 | hey how do i install rockbox on my ipod video? |
| 00:07:20 | goffa_ | competed directly with wma for a while |
| 00:07:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | grout58: You read the instructions. |
| 00:07:39 | muesli__ | Paul_The_Nerd teacher style ;) nice |
| 00:07:42 | grout58 | i did but the automatic installer isnt working |
| 00:07:42 | goffa_ | because microsoft claimed that 96k wma was cd quality to most listeners |
| 00:07:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | grout58: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 00:07:55 | | Part Maglor_equaleft |
| 00:08:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | grout58: The automatic installer is not ours. Click the link, and read the instructions. |
| 00:08:09 | goffa_ | and i guess to a group of untrained ears in a lab .. a case could be made |
| 00:08:21 | harbel | Can anyone help me with patching rockbox? I searched but couldn't find anything |
| 00:08:23 | dpassen1 | CD-quality is hard enough a concept to define |
| 00:08:35 | goffa_ | flac=cd quality |
| 00:08:41 | Mikachu | if you have an ogg file in 96khz, is that better than cd quality? |
| 00:08:42 | goffa_ | lossless is cd quality |
| 00:08:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | harbel: Did you try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches ? |
| 00:08:50 | grout58 | isnt rockbox linux? |
| 00:08:53 | dpassen1 | Well, when a lossy codec says achieves CD quality, I assume they mean transparency |
| 00:08:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | grout58: No. It's not. |
| 00:09:05 | goffa_ | at least thats my opinion if they are trying to sell it |
| 00:09:19 | goffa_ | i guess thats why i'm so anti itunes, etc |
| 00:09:29 | goffa_ | because it doesn't sound good enough to me |
| 00:09:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: Have you seen Mindawn? |
| 00:09:46 | goffa_ | no |
| 00:10:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | They sell ogg and flac |
| 00:10:10 | goffa_ | oh... cool |
| 00:10:19 | goffa_ | do they have a big catalog? |
| 00:10:26 | harbel | Paul_The_Nerd: I don't really understand the instructions on the page very well |
| 00:10:26 | goffa_ | and are the prices reasonable? |
| 00:10:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's fairly large, but not necessarily stuff you've heard of |
| 00:10:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I recall it's 99 cents for ogg, and 1.24 for flac |
| 00:10:58 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 00:11:04 | borges_ | uhm, can anyone give me a hint how i could find out the name of the font i have loaded at the moment? |
| 00:11:04 | goffa_ | i've just been hitting cd bargain bins |
| 00:11:07 | goffa_ | that's still cheaper |
| 00:11:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | harbel: Well, let's go from the start. Have you set up a development environment and successfully attempted to compile rockbox? |
| 00:11:18 | goffa_ | like gemm.com (if you can find a deal)... yourmusic.com |
| 00:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: That is *absolutely* my preferred method. I've yet to purchase music online, but I support mindawn just because of their format choices and their DRM-free philosophy |
| 00:11:40 | Mikachu | borges_: write a .cfg and open it in the text viewer |
| 00:12:15 | goffa_ | yeah... i support that too Paul_The_Nerd |
| 00:12:33 | goffa_ | things are going that way... i just don't want to see cds die without a comparable replacement |
| 00:13:35 | dpassen1 | As in a physical medium, or the quality |
| 00:13:42 | goffa_ | quality |
| 00:13:54 | goffa_ | flac can acutally be better than cd |
| 00:14:12 | | Quit ender` (" If enough data is collected, anything may be proven by statistical methods.") |
| 00:14:22 | dpassen1 | as in 24-bit, 96Khz? |
| 00:14:27 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 00:15:03 | dpassen1 | multichannel, as well |
| 00:15:07 | goffa_ | yep |
| 00:15:30 | Mikachu | how do you rate a multichannel 24-bit 96KHz ogg file? |
| 00:15:35 | harbel | Paul_The_Nerd: Well I'm running windows with cygwin, and I've attempted compiling but it won't |
| 00:15:37 | dpassen1 | I always favored WavPack for lossless |
| 00:15:38 | Mikachu | less or more than cd quality? |
| 00:15:54 | dpassen1 | Mikachu: If it was ripped from a CD, less |
| 00:16:15 | goffa_ | wavpack is good too.. just that musicpd doesn't sepport it |
| 00:16:16 | Mikachu | compressed from a multichannel 24-bit 96KHz source obviously |
| 00:16:34 | Mikachu | omg i zoomed this picture 100x look at the quality |
| 00:16:36 | borges_ | Mikachu: that doesn't reveal me the name... or does it? |
| 00:16:37 | goffa_ | i have to fire up xmms to listen to my .wv files |
| 00:17:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | harbel: "it won't" what? Also, have you tried the VMWare Development environment? Either way, you need to be able to compile before you can use patches. |
| 00:17:07 | dpassen1 | I like the idea of the hybrid mode, decent sized files on a portable, lossless with correction on laptop |
| 00:17:39 | goffa_ | yeah |
| 00:17:49 | goffa_ | that is nice |
| 00:18:01 | goffa_ | optimfrog was planning on that too |
| 00:18:24 | dpassen1 | Yeah, WavPack also happens to run rather well on the iRiver-H1x0s |
| 00:18:40 | goffa_ | hmm... $9/album flac on that minidawn.. thats almost reasonable |
| 00:19:06 | goffa_ | yeah... havent tried on my iaudio but i presume the same |
| 00:19:30 | dpassen1 | The creator of WavPack also seems to be a rather nice guy, helped with Rockbox, posts on Hydrogenaudio, etc. |
| 00:19:44 | goffa_ | cool |
| 00:20:21 | harbel | Paul_The_Nerd: It won't compile, and nope, I haven't |
| 00:20:27 | dpassen1 | Not that that should influence it |
| 00:21:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | harbel: The VMWare environment compiles faster, and requires less effort to set up, though it takes up more disk space. I can't help with your cygwin problem without more information, if you still want to try that, but I strongly suggest using vmware |
| 00:21:09 | goffa_ | no.. but nice trivia |
| 00:25:10 | dpassen1 | Whatever gives you the warm fuzzy feeling of placebo, eh? |
| 00:25:22 | goffa_ | he he he.. yup |
| 00:26:50 | goffa_ | but the lossy/less concept is really apealing |
| 00:26:50 | goffa_ | just from a musicpd standpoint it sucks :) |
| 00:26:50 | goffa_ | but that's not wavpack's fault |
| 00:26:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK goffa_ |
| 00:26:50 | goffa_ | that x player doesn't support it |
| 00:27:01 | goffa_ | we'd all be on mp3 if that was the case |
| 00:27:19 | goffa_ | or itunes |
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| 00:27:35 | Galois | 96k ogg beat out 96k wma by a metric mile in the most recent HA test |
| 00:27:50 | goffa_ | i'd believe that... |
| 00:27:52 | Galois | in fack, 96k ogg beat 128k mp3 for pop music |
| 00:27:56 | Galois | fact |
| 00:28:48 | goffa_ | i'd believe that too |
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| 00:30:34 | goffa_ | i had a friend transcode 64k vqf to 96k wma ... now that was pain |
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| 00:34:45 | harbel | Paul_The_Nerd: How would I set up a VMware environment? |
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| 00:35:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | harbel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 00:37:40 | | Quit bluebrother^ ("Leaving") |
| 00:39:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:39:30 | * | petur goes to his closet and puts on his RTFM t-shirt |
| 00:39:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
| 00:40:57 | petur | http://www.cashncarrion.co.uk/products/16099/685/ |
| 00:41:36 | petur | and yes, I have one :D |
| 00:44:04 | | Part chi ("gimmie XMMS2!") |
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| 00:45:29 | grout58 | how do i get doom 2 for rockbox? |
| 00:47:29 | ashridah | grout58: well, the cvs/dailies ship with doom's plugin. you'll need the rockdoom.wad file from the wiki, and doom2.wad |
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| 00:52:18 | grout58 | ashridah ok i got the wads now where do i put them? |
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| 00:53:12 | ashridah | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 00:53:48 | grout58 | so just create a dir in the ipods root /games/doom/ |
| 00:53:52 | grout58 | and put the wads there? |
| 00:54:12 | ashridah | you could always try :) |
| 00:55:02 | goffa_ | worst thing that could happen is that your player may spontaneously combust... resulting in a chain reaction that causes your death |
| 00:55:09 | goffa_ | but that's rare :) |
| 00:55:19 | grout58 | lol |
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| 00:56:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Happened to me once. |
| 00:56:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I am now the smallest minority in Rockbox Users: Zombie. |
| 00:57:42 | petur | how's your pc now - got it fixed? |
| 00:58:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Laptop's out for warranty repairs still. Supposed to get it back on the 15th. |
| 00:58:46 | goffa_ | what happened to it? |
| 00:58:58 | petur | Bagder: the tracker isn't responding anymore |
| 00:59:27 | petur | ah it's back again |
| 00:59:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: The hinges were cracked causing the screen to flicker occasionally (factory recall for that) but that was minor. The AC adapter tip melted the plastic around itself attaching itself to the laptop |
| 00:59:54 | goffa_ | youch |
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| 01:01:09 | grout58 | is there a list somewhere of other games i can get on rockbox? |
| 01:01:18 | sharpe | now i'm going to try... actual text output, instead of a simple lookup table... |
| 01:02:26 | sharpe | either it will be correct, flipped diagonally, not show at all, or crash. |
| 01:02:37 | | Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) |
| 01:02:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd hopes for "crash" |
| 01:03:05 | | Quit petur ("ZzzZzz") |
| 01:03:12 | sharpe | why hope for a crash? |
| 01:03:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because that's the most fun? |
| 01:03:36 | sharpe | but not the most visually appealing, or satisfying... |
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| 01:04:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well yeah |
| 01:04:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | THAT would be "flipped diagonally" |
| 01:04:07 | sharpe | well |
| 01:04:09 | sharpe | something works |
| 01:04:53 | sharpe | true |
| 01:05:33 | Mikachu | grout58: all games are included |
| 01:05:35 | grout58 | does rockbox enable the ipod to play more video codecs? |
| 01:05:46 | midkay | no, fewer.. none. |
| 01:05:46 | Mikachu | no |
| 01:06:11 | BHSPitLappy | lol, less |
| 01:06:12 | grout58 | really my ipod cant play video anymore? |
| 01:06:29 | midkay | unless you boot to the apple firmware. |
| 01:06:30 | Mikachu | no, never again! it is forever disabled |
| 01:06:30 | BHSPitLappy | grout58: why? |
| 01:06:41 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, maybe, um, he wants to play video? :O |
| 01:06:48 | grout58 | how do i boot into the apple firmware? |
| 01:06:50 | BHSPitLappy | rockbox starts off by burning out the video processor |
| 01:06:56 | BHSPitLappy | grout58: reboot and hold MENU |
| 01:07:03 | grout58 | ah ok |
| 01:07:05 | BHSPitLappy | you have to start holding menu at JUST the right time, though |
| 01:07:08 | BHSPitLappy | it's very picky |
| 01:07:11 | sharpe | it's like a game |
| 01:07:12 | midkay | before the apple logo shows up.. |
| 01:07:14 | BHSPitLappy | yep |
| 01:07:17 | sharpe | like the whackamole games |
| 01:07:19 | goffa_ | lol BHSPitLappy |
| 01:07:25 | BHSPitLappy | it's there for your benefit |
| 01:07:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | grout58: This page could be helpful to you in general: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:07:39 | BHSPitLappy | how dull would an easily operable bootloader be? |
| 01:07:42 | BHSPitLappy | very. |
| 01:07:44 | sharpe | duh |
| 01:07:56 | sharpe | we have to have at least six levels of complexity for it to be fun |
| 01:09:29 | sharpe | for instance, the keypress has to happen on an even second, odd minute, odd millisecond, and on a multiple of 3 millseconds |
| 01:09:52 | Mikachu | an even multiple! |
| 01:10:01 | goffa_ | that way you don't need to program games |
| 01:10:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | He said odd millisecond |
| 01:10:04 | goffa_ | its already fun |
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| 01:10:11 | Mikachu | yes, that's why an odd multiple would be fun |
| 01:10:16 | Mikachu | i mean even |
| 01:10:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, a multiple of 6, minus 3 |
| 01:10:26 | sharpe | essentially. |
| 01:10:39 | sharpe | but it also has to happen when it's not a full moon. |
| 01:10:48 | sharpe | nor any complete phases |
| 01:11:30 | sharpe | heh, i have the correct text output... |
| 01:11:32 | sharpe | er |
| 01:11:39 | sharpe | placement of supposed characters |
| 01:11:44 | sharpe | just not the characters. |
| 01:14:14 | linuxstb | Has anyone tested today's libmad patch on an ipod? Sadly, I can't notice very much (if any) improvement. |
| 01:14:26 | midkay | libmad patch?! |
| 01:14:31 | midkay | *runs to check* |
| 01:15:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Don't I remember there being talk of how IRAM wasn't as useful on iPod, or is my brain fuzzy again? |
| 01:15:06 | midkay | hm, i'll have to try that in a little bit.. |
| 01:15:28 | Mikachu | either amiconn or preglow said something about moving something to iram didn't help, or even made it worse |
| 01:15:29 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, both preglow and I have found that. |
| 01:15:58 | linuxstb | When I was optimising pacbox, I even managed to slow it down by moving some things to iram. |
| 01:16:19 | Mikachu | hm, i almost remembered right then :) |
| 01:16:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that patch accomplishes part of what it's doing by moving things to IRAM. |
| 01:16:40 | | Quit tianjing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 01:17:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would laugh if the move to IRAM caused a performance hit, and the other two things caused a gain, so that the net was almost 0 on ipod. |
| 01:17:12 | midkay | haha. |
| 01:17:30 | Mikachu | has anyone tried disabling iram completely on ipods then? :) |
| 01:17:34 | linuxstb | preglow's been threatening to build a "no IRAM" version of Rockbox for the ipod. I'm not sure if he has though. |
| 01:17:41 | sharpe | ahah, i kind of have something |
| 01:17:49 | sharpe | the '@' symbol displays correctly |
| 01:18:00 | sharpe | but the space is a reversed 'D' |
| 01:18:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:19:10 | sharpe | and all the other characters are partially part of random characers... |
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| 01:20:36 | midkay | linuxstb, haha, what could be expected of a no-IRAM rockbox? faster? about the same? |
| 01:21:25 | sharpe | ahahah |
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| 01:21:35 | FA-Tha_Stig | ooo |
| 01:21:36 | sharpe | character video display works |
| 01:21:44 | midkay | sharpe, congrats :) |
| 01:21:44 | FA-Tha_Stig | hi, anyone here to help? |
| 01:21:45 | sharpe | i have each character reveresed |
| 01:21:47 | sharpe | :D |
| 01:22:14 | FA-Tha_Stig | i just discovered this unique alien technology :P.....are there any bugs with it concerning the i-pod nano 2GB? |
| 01:22:17 | sharpe | on accident, of course.... |
| 01:22:56 | midkay | FA-Tha_Stig, well, yes, there must always be bugs, but everything that should work generally does :) |
| 01:23:20 | FA-Tha_Stig | soo in case my nano is havin troubles, is there a way to get the original firmware back? |
| 01:23:21 | FA-Tha_Stig | o_O |
| 01:23:35 | linuxstb | Ah, disabling IRAM means Doom is too big for the plugin buffer... |
| 01:23:40 | midkay | yes, and after installing rockbox you can choose whether to boot to the apple firmware or rockbox.. |
| 01:23:49 | FA-Tha_Stig | oo, nice :P |
| 01:23:50 | Mikachu | linuxstb: not for mine :) |
| 01:23:57 | midkay | FA-Tha_Stig, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 01:24:16 | linuxstb | Mikachu: You and your tiny lcd... |
| 01:24:36 | Mikachu | i'm not sure how the lcd relates to my crazy plugin buffer |
| 01:25:15 | Mikachu | i'd be happy to run a timedemo with iram on and off if it's relatively simple to not use iram |
| 01:25:21 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Sorry, forgot that... |
| 01:26:03 | lostlogic | Mikachu: hey, can you give me a refresher course (here or /msg) on what breaks when doing dynamic playlisting? I seem to have a flee's memory at the moment. |
| 01:26:21 | ashridah | flea |
| 01:26:29 | lostlogic | whatever :-P |
| 01:26:30 | ashridah | flee is to run away :) |
| 01:26:38 | Mikachu | lostlogic: well, as it turned out, it only breaks if you do Insert Shuffled with an empty playlist, but you can't do that in cvs :) |
| 01:26:41 | FA-Tha_Stig | thanks for the link midkay |
| 01:26:47 | Mikachu | lostlogic: nevertheless, that used to work fine |
| 01:26:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Did you end up fixing the ones I mentioned? |
| 01:26:56 | midkay | FA-Tha_Stig, no problem.. any unanswered questions, feel free to ask. |
| 01:27:08 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i haven't tried Insert Shuffled with a nonempty playlist though |
| 01:27:14 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_chrvideor.png |
| 01:27:20 | | Quit ashridah ("uni :(") |
| 01:27:22 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, refresh me too, since I can't spell, nor remember things at the moment. |
| 01:27:29 | sharpe | it looks great. :D |
| 01:27:38 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i'll try that now |
| 01:27:45 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I'm pretty sure that 'normal' playlist actions should work fine now... |
| 01:27:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: When you insert or queue a song (next, last, whatever) it also triggers a "Next track" |
| 01:28:01 | lostlogic | *tries it* |
| 01:28:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't tried a build since this morning, since I've been out all day. I built about 10 hours ago I think |
| 01:28:19 | Mikachu | yeah hm, that seems to work fine |
| 01:28:27 | Mikachu | but when i do it on an empty one, all hell breaks loose basically |
| 01:28:34 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it's probably fixed then, but I'll double check |
| 01:28:39 | Mikachu | which i usually want to do |
| 01:28:39 | sharpe | heh, anyone care to comment on the video output of the c64 emulator so far? :) |
| 01:28:43 | lostlogic | Mikachu: can you show me the patch that you use to do that? |
| 01:28:44 | Mikachu | because then i don't have to go and Reshuffle it after |
| 01:28:47 | Mikachu | hang on |
| 01:28:54 | linuxstb | Well, I'm reassured a little. Disabling IRAM completely and libmad is struggling to keep the PCM buffer full and is on 100% boost. |
| 01:29:15 | Mikachu | heh |
| 01:29:37 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, insert next seems to work fine now. |
| 01:30:13 | lostlogic | it was because of the same BIG BUG in clear tracks that would zero the currently playing track |
| 01:30:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
| 01:30:29 | Mikachu | heh actually i can't find it |
| 01:30:35 | Mikachu | do you know which file has the Insert shuffled stuff? |
| 01:30:52 | lostlogic | Mikachu: no, I was about to find out if there was still a bug in insert next :-p |
| 01:31:09 | Mikachu | as soon as you find it, i can give you a diff :) |
| 01:32:25 | lostlogic | Mikachu: looks to be playlist.c |
| 01:32:46 | sharpe | now try to have the text displayed... not flipped. |
| 01:33:07 | Mikachu | lostlogic: surprise, it's in onplay.c |
| 01:33:34 | Mikachu | http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/4 |
| 01:33:49 | midkay | sharpe, haha. cool. |
| 01:34:29 | lostlogic | Mikachu: and what happens when you try to use this feature now? |
| 01:34:52 | Mikachu | lostlogic: a playlist with weird entries is created and lots of errors pop up while it tries to play them |
| 01:35:08 | Mikachu | looks mostly like random data in View Playlist |
| 01:35:33 | lostlogic | Mikachu: sweet. |
| 01:36:04 | lostlogic | I can't figure anything that I've done that would effect that |
| 01:36:43 | Mikachu | i still haven't figured out how to clear a playlist properly |
| 01:37:09 | sharpe | score! |
| 01:37:29 | sharpe | correctly oriented text output |
| 01:38:45 | midkay | screen! |
| 01:38:49 | midkay | +shot! |
| 01:38:55 | sharpe | soon! |
| 01:39:06 | sharpe | you say the revered text screen shot didn't you? |
| 01:39:08 | midkay | sigh! that sucks! alright fine! :(! |
| 01:39:11 | sharpe | reversed |
| 01:39:14 | sharpe | saw |
| 01:39:15 | sharpe | gah |
| 01:39:20 | midkay | yes, that's what i said "cool" to !!! |
| 01:39:26 | sharpe | heh |
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| 01:40:55 | midkay | but you just didn't listen! |
| 01:40:56 | midkay | :(! |
| 01:41:12 | sharpe | actually, that'd only apply if i had a text to speech program running |
| 01:41:15 | sharpe | i didn't 'see' |
| 01:41:18 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:41:20 | midkay | haha. |
| 01:43:31 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_chrvideo.png |
| 01:43:52 | midkay | ce n'est pas ici! |
| 01:44:39 | sharpe | grr. |
| 01:44:41 | sharpe | :) |
| 01:44:48 | lostlogic | 404? |
| 01:46:16 | | Part grout58 ("Leaving") |
| 01:46:29 | sharpe | there, i accidentally renamed the wrong file |
| 01:47:00 | lostlogic | sharpe: awesome! |
| 01:47:08 | sharpe | :D |
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| 01:47:55 | lostlogic | Mikachu: sorry, I really don't know the playlist code, and I really don't know how anything I've chanced would have impacted it |
| 01:48:00 | Mikachu | okay |
| 01:48:00 | sharpe | now, to just have it read the border/character values from ram, and that should work |
| 01:48:13 | sharpe | and it won't really be able to display the borders either... |
| 01:48:21 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i didn't realize it was only the shuffled one the first time i reported it so this is okay |
| 01:48:21 | webguest96 | newbie asking quick question.... i already have rockbox on my 5g ipod and i was wondering if i can install ipod linux without uninstalling and such |
| 01:48:52 | lostlogic | Mikachu: :) what's my status with regard to artifacts on track skip? |
| 01:49:06 | Mikachu | i think it's pretty good |
| 01:49:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: Since you phrased it as a yes/no question, "Yes" |
| 01:49:54 | lostlogic | ooh, found a bug for myself, track skip out of buffer leaves next track data unpopulated. |
| 01:50:16 | lostlogic | or... it was just a really weird track. |
| 01:50:32 | webguest96 | thank you... and is there a special way i need to install IPL or will the way they have on their site do it fine? |
| 01:51:55 | lostlogic | webguest96: you can tripple boot using their bootloader v2 I think... but don't hold me to that |
| 01:52:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: You need to create a 3rd partition (fat32 is #2, the one that is the bootloader is #1) in ext2 or ext3 file system, put the iPodLinux root structure/file system there, and put the kernel .bin file in the fat32 partition named linux.bin. Make sure there's an up to date podzilla in the ext2/3 partition, and you're good to go. |
| 01:52:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: You can triple boot with ours too. :) |
| 01:52:21 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: woo |
| 01:52:46 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it's good you know so much more about our software than me :-\ :-D |
| 01:53:00 | Mikachu | i also knew that |
| 01:53:18 | lostlogic | *hides in the corner with playback.c and pcmbuf.c* |
| 01:53:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Hehehe. Well, I don't do much else other than sit here and listen. :) You actually make things work. |
| 01:54:17 | lostlogic | alright, so any other regressions been reported in playback that I'm missing? |
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| 01:55:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 01:55:25 | sharpe | i feel speshul |
| 01:55:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I should go shout "Playback is working!" in the forums, just to see if anyone replies "No it's not, you dumbass!" |
| 01:55:57 | BHSPitLappy | No it's not, you dumbass! |
| 01:56:00 | sharpe | :O |
| 01:56:07 | sharpe | blasphemer! |
| 01:56:09 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: DO IT! :) Seriously, I need all the regression reports I can get, and then amiconn and I need to figure out how to make voice more reliable |
| 01:56:15 | lostlogic | BHSPitLappy: ? |
| 01:56:26 | lostlogic | BHSPitLappy: just making trouble, or have a real bug? |
| 01:56:40 | BHSPitLappy | trouble, as always :( |
| 01:56:45 | lostlogic | :) |
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| 01:57:10 | * | amiconn now has an emi reduction routine for the iriver remote that works better than the cvs one, and lcd updates are still faster :) |
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| 01:58:13 | amiconn | I get 34.5/50fps with ticking reduction (cvs: 24/36.5fps) |
| 01:58:47 | amiconn | Just need to implement a hook to frequency changing |
| 01:58:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Okay, gonna post in a few of the forums then, and see what happens. Since nobody reads General Discussion. |
| 01:59:14 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: You're the best :) |
| 01:59:47 | lostlogic | amiconn: damn, dude, you know way too much stuff. |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:03 | Mikachu | should i whack him boss? |
| 02:03:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: At least on the iPod board, I think they're too busy talking about doom to even notice. *sigh* |
| 02:03:43 | Moos | precious amiconn : ) |
| 02:04:24 | amiconn | Moos: I'll let you test before commit (and probably XavierGr should try it as well) |
| 02:04:44 | midkay | amiconn, hey, feel free to get an iPod 5G and, you know.. do some optimizations on that too.. ;) |
| 02:04:58 | Moos | no problem, but I'll probably go sleep soonish |
| 02:05:10 | amiconn | me too |
| 02:05:39 | * | Moos goes search for his iriver then : ) |
| 02:05:49 | amiconn | no hurry |
| 02:05:59 | amiconn | I won't implement the hook right now |
| 02:06:08 | Moos | ok |
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| 02:10:30 | FA-Tha_Stig | hey im really confused :'( |
| 02:10:36 | FA-Tha_Stig | i dont know which files to download |
| 02:10:37 | FA-Tha_Stig | :S |
| 02:10:47 | lostlogic | amiconn: any thoughts on making pause and unpause off-thread events (let pause and unpause process outside of the audio_queue loop to let them happen more immediately)? |
| 02:11:28 | FA-Tha_Stig | anyone wanna help me go through the installation step by step?...i know most of the stuff i just dont know the correct files i need |
| 02:11:37 | warthawg | what are you installing? |
| 02:11:43 | FA-Tha_Stig | i-pod nano |
| 02:11:47 | FA-Tha_Stig | rockbox |
| 02:12:15 | warthawg | well, i could help you by sending you to my ipodlinux install article |
| 02:12:21 | lostlogic | connecting... USB... is making tracks clear??? |
| 02:12:23 | warthawg | but that isn't really necessary |
| 02:12:25 | lostlogic | wtf. |
| 02:12:48 | FA-Tha_Stig | i just need to know the names of the correct archives i have to download :S |
| 02:12:51 | FA-Tha_Stig | its confusing |
| 02:12:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | FA-Tha-Stig: Did you read the IpodInstallation wiki page? |
| 02:13:08 | FA-Tha_Stig | yeah, it told me what to do but not which files to download first |
| 02:13:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which step are you at that you don't know which file to download? |
| 02:14:01 | FA-Tha_Stig | first...lol..i need the name of the file im supposed to download to STArt the installation process |
| 02:14:02 | FA-Tha_Stig | lol |
| 02:14:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, a) Download the required files tells you pretty specifically which ones to get there |
| 02:14:09 | FA-Tha_Stig | :o |
| 02:14:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | You did read that far into the installation instructions, right? |
| 02:14:34 | FA-Tha_Stig | ooh, the links work...brb |
| 02:14:39 | * | Paul_The_Nerd sighs. |
| 02:14:43 | FA-Tha_Stig | sorry :P |
| 02:15:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Should A-B be working yet, or is the fact that that's still borked a well known thing? |
| 02:15:27 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: should work fine |
| 02:15:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3452.msg25073;topicseen#msg25073 |
| 02:16:48 | lostlogic | hmph. |
| 02:17:09 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: they do confuse the progressbar a bit but it should be working, or so lostlogic tells me |
| 02:17:21 | Mikachu | they = a and b :) |
| 02:17:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Well, someone's reported a freeze with it. |
| 02:17:49 | lostlogic | unfortunately I still haven't tried to enable A-B on ipod so I'll hafta do that before I can investigate. |
| 02:17:51 | Mikachu | ah |
| 02:18:08 | Mikachu | lostlogic: i used menu+left and menu+right for setting the points, works well enough for testing |
| 02:18:35 | lostlogic | Mikachu: cept that a hold on menu pulls up the quick screen really soon and messes it all up? |
| 02:19:09 | Mikachu | well, you have to press them more or less at the same time |
| 02:19:15 | lostlogic | Mikachu: gotcha. |
| 02:19:28 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I'm lazy, got a patch? |
| 02:20:38 | Mikachu | http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/paste |
| 02:20:40 | Mikachu | damnit |
| 02:20:44 | Mikachu | http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/5 |
| 02:20:49 | Mikachu | i should learn how to use my own bot :) |
| 02:21:15 | Mikachu | +#define AB_REPEAT_ENABLE 1 |
| 02:21:20 | lostlogic | yeah, that part I can manage :-p |
| 02:21:21 | Mikachu | in config-ipodnano.h too |
| 02:21:27 | lostlogic | video in my case ;) |
| 02:21:32 | Mikachu | right |
| 02:21:36 | Mikachu | i think that's all there's to it |
| 02:21:55 | Mikachu | my tree is getting a bit messed up i think |
| 02:22:02 | Mikachu | % cvs diff|diffstat |
| 02:22:04 | Mikachu | 72 files changed, 1204 insertions(+), 561 deletions(-) |
| 02:23:23 | lostlogic | where to get diffstat? |
| 02:23:29 | lostlogic | nvm |
| 02:23:33 | lostlogic | "emerge diffstat" works |
| 02:23:56 | Mikachu | it's a good method to see what a diff does without actually reading it |
| 02:24:26 | lostlogic | heh |
| 02:24:37 | | Part nave7693 |
| 02:25:00 | lostlogic | 457 insertions(+), 483 deletions(-) |
| 02:25:09 | lostlogic | that's my playback.c changes in the last week or two |
| 02:25:10 | lostlogic | :) |
| 02:25:13 | Mikachu | you did a better job :) |
| 02:25:38 | lostlogic | my tree is closer to synched up overall than yours though. |
| 02:25:50 | Mikachu | advantages of cvs commit access :) |
| 02:28:16 | Moos | amiconn: go to sleep, if tests on non-ticking devices still needed tommorow, I will |
| 02:28:26 | Moos | have a good night or day at all |
| 02:28:35 | * | Paul_The_Nerd bets he's even more in sync. :-P |
| 02:28:52 | | Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") |
| 02:29:02 | Mikachu | at least amiconn committed my less clearing plugin patch |
| 02:29:10 | Mikachu | has anyone noticed plugins loading a zillion times faster? |
| 02:29:49 | lostlogic | bagh, ab repeat works fine for me. |
| 02:30:00 | lostlogic | so fine in fact that I'm gonna activate it in CVS for nano and video and 4g |
| 02:30:25 | Mikachu | hooray less diff for me |
| 02:30:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: His problem occurs when you rewind to before the A marker |
| 02:30:43 | Mikachu | lostlogic: also, don't accidentally commit my reversal of long select and long menu |
| 02:30:44 | amiconn | lostlogic: Why not all ipods? |
| 02:31:10 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I just tested that |
| 02:31:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: What happens for you? |
| 02:31:23 | lostlogic | amiconn: cuz different keypads |
| 02:31:37 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it acts as expected, winds forward to the B marker, then rewinds back to the A marker |
| 02:31:38 | Mikachu | should you allow the seek bar to go outside the a-b range when seeking? |
| 02:31:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Gotcha |
| 02:31:48 | Mikachu | i guess it's useful on second thought |
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| 02:32:06 | amiconn | Hmm? Afaik *all* rockbox-supported ipods have the "4g" keypad, except the partially supported 3g |
| 02:32:13 | lostlogic | Mikachu: we need a way to make it loop properly within the box in ab repeat but I don't konw what that way is yet. |
| 02:32:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the 3G would still probably work fine with that button combo for A-B repeat |
| 02:32:37 | Mikachu | it's plausible that you would want to play an intro to a song and then loop a part |
| 02:32:41 | amiconn | 3g has no audio playback yet afaik |
| 02:33:05 | lostlogic | amiconn: ok, I'll turn it on for mini2g as well, that's the only one I didn't list that we support, right? |
| 02:33:30 | amiconn | plus color |
| 02:33:42 | afruff23 | Can anybody explain the discrepancy between the example conditional for displaying the codec in the WPS AND the number of listed codecs? |
| 02:33:43 | afruff23 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#File_Info |
| 02:33:51 | amiconn | (4g by itself is ambiguous) |
| 02:34:32 | Mikachu | afruff23: someone forgot to update both parts |
| 02:34:58 | afruff23 | so can I use use SHN in the conditional? |
| 02:35:22 | afruff23 | SHN means Shorten |
| 02:36:13 | afruff23 | so is the example conditional not going to work? |
| 02:36:31 | FA-Tha_Stig | yaaay i dunn it :P |
| 02:36:37 | afruff23 | as in the player won't process it because it is too short of a conditional |
| 02:37:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Try it and find out? |
| 02:37:18 | afruff23 | since AAC, ALAC, SHN,abd AIFF aren;t included |
| 02:37:23 | afruff23 | ok |
| 02:37:34 | amiconn | lostlogic: I'd say enable it for all 4g-keypad ipods (i.e. all we have config-* files for except the 3g) |
| 02:37:42 | sharpe | hmm |
| 02:38:08 | FA-Tha_Stig | hmm there are some games i cant seem to get out of without restarting |
| 02:38:17 | FA-Tha_Stig | is there some combination of keys i should know baout/ |
| 02:38:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | FA-Tha_Stig: Menu + Select is often what you need |
| 02:38:49 | FA-Tha_Stig | ok, thanks |
| 02:39:01 | lostlogic | amiconn: is mini 1g 4g keypad? |
| 02:39:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 02:39:06 | FA-Tha_Stig | nano |
| 02:39:09 | FA-Tha_Stig | :o |
| 02:39:38 | FA-Tha_Stig | doom says :Sorry you have no base wads |
| 02:39:39 | FA-Tha_Stig | o_O |
| 02:39:40 | FA-Tha_Stig | :P |
| 02:40:00 | lostlogic | ok, done. |
| 02:40:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | FA-Tha_Stig: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 02:40:35 | FA-Tha_Stig | damn, theres so much to this thing :o,, whoever did this is a genious |
| 02:40:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, there's a LOT of people together who did this. |
| 02:41:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think upward of 130 credited so far? |
| 02:41:30 | midkay | haha. |
| 02:41:33 | afruff23 | for Doom or Rockbox? |
| 02:41:33 | midkay | 185 or so. |
| 02:41:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox. |
| 02:41:40 | midkay | or.. wait.. 187? |
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| 02:42:18 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 02:42:21 | sharpe | i've color... |
| 02:42:24 | sharpe | text |
| 02:42:41 | FA-Tha_Stig | wel i see most of the plugins are already updated.... |
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| 02:43:06 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: i'm number 160 in CREDITS |
| 02:43:18 | lostlogic | bagh, there is definitely still a way to make playback do something _stupid_ by skipping tracks a lot, I think it has to do with skipping out of a track soon enough to cause it to report codec failure. |
| 02:44:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: I'm not in credits. :) I have not yet contributed any real code. |
| 02:44:28 | sharpe | i'm not in there either |
| 02:44:45 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: i think you should be in anyway, you've certainly helped a lot in other ways |
| 02:44:48 | Mikachu | :) |
| 02:44:55 | FA-Tha_Stig | hmm i still havent tried songs yet |
| 02:45:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Naah. As it is, once I want to get in it I could always get off my lazy ass and actually write a useful patch. |
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| 02:45:49 | sharpe | mine isn't useful! |
| 02:45:52 | FA-Tha_Stig | so basically i can just dump the tracks in the ipod drive and just play em? |
| 02:45:54 | sharpe | or, as they say. |
| 02:45:58 | Mikachu | FA-Tha_Stig: yes |
| 02:45:59 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: :-P your help really is appreciated, I don't know how you have the patience / energy to do what you do. |
| 02:45:59 | sharpe | but, i'll get back to the c64. |
| 02:46:19 | nave7693 | hi may I make a suggestion? |
| 02:46:25 | sharpe | yes |
| 02:46:26 | FA-Tha_Stig | cool, once it unfreezes |
| 02:46:27 | FA-Tha_Stig | lol |
| 02:46:28 | lostlogic | nave7693: course, may or may not listen ot it :-P |
| 02:46:36 | nave7693 | well that's your freedom |
| 02:46:42 | nave7693 | just want to throw the idea out |
| 02:46:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | nave7693: Suggestions are always welcome, but there's no guarantee anything will come of it. :) |
| 02:47:40 | nave7693 | I would like the screen that display the song info when playing use a different font than the other screens |
| 02:48:11 | nave7693 | oh that also applies to the file browsing screens |
| 02:48:21 | Mikachu | that doesn't leave a lot of other screens |
| 02:48:29 | nave7693 | well right |
| 02:48:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | nave7693: There's actually a patch on the tracker for it. |
| 02:49:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | nave7693: And it's in the list of "Features Rockbox will probably have eventually, but everyone has more major things to work on at the moment, but if someone made a really good implementation it'd probably make its way into CVS" :) |
| 02:50:03 | nave7693 | ok |
| 02:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if you're up to compiling for yourself, you could give the current patch a try. It's probably a bit outdated, but there's probably a decent chance you could finagle it into applying. |
| 02:51:07 | FA-Tha_Stig | OMG |
| 02:51:18 | FA-Tha_Stig | my nano stopped working |
| 02:51:25 | sharpe | batteries? |
| 02:51:33 | FA-Tha_Stig | well i put in songs |
| 02:51:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | "stopped working" is a vague statement |
| 02:51:38 | FA-Tha_Stig | disconnected it |
| 02:51:46 | FA-Tha_Stig | and it gave me a low battery sign |
| 02:51:49 | FA-Tha_Stig | and logged off |
| 02:51:53 | FA-Tha_Stig | i conncected it to the USB |
| 02:51:57 | FA-Tha_Stig | its still not responding |
| 02:52:04 | Mikachu | did you try pressing menu+select until it flashes th eapple? |
| 02:52:27 | FA-Tha_Stig | damn u hackers |
| 02:52:28 | FA-Tha_Stig | lol |
| 02:52:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | nave7693: Actually, the patch was last updated 04-03-06, so it probably applies to CVS |
| 02:52:43 | FA-Tha_Stig | thanks it worked |
| 02:52:51 | FA-Tha_Stig | im new to this :S |
| 02:52:54 | Mikachu | you're welcome, newbie |
| 02:53:00 | Mikachu | :) |
| 02:53:03 | FA-Tha_Stig | :P |
| 02:53:40 | lostlogic | ugh, there are definitely still track skipping problems where a skip will register, but not actually happen, leading to the next skip skipping two tracks. |
| 02:53:48 | lostlogic | but now I must paint another ceiling. |
| 02:54:11 | FA-Tha_Stig | hmm, its track skipping an issue with some audio formats or all/ |
| 02:54:19 | Mikachu | maybe you will have an epiphany while you paint |
| 02:54:28 | lostlogic | FA-Tha_Stig: it's a bug in the playback system, so all formats. |
| 02:54:57 | lostlogic | Mikachu: I fear this may result in me completely rehacking something else large :) :-p |
| 02:55:07 | Mikachu | heh |
| 02:55:14 | Mikachu | reimplement threads! |
| 02:55:34 | Mikachu | dynamic memory management! |
| 02:58:07 | midkay | second cpu core put to use! |
| 02:58:10 | midkay | no seriously! do it! |
| 02:58:31 | Mikachu | setiPod |
| 02:58:37 | midkay | libmad @ 300% realtime! |
| 02:58:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because that will somehow fix playback issues? |
| 02:58:53 | midkay | if they don't affect me then nevermind them! |
| 02:59:30 | * | Paul_The_Nerd goes to use A-B repeat mode for the first time EVER just to see if he can reproduce this bug. |
| 02:59:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyone know what the set marker button is on iRiver? |
| 03:00 |
| 03:01:12 | Mikachu | it is the same as NEXT/PREV-dir it seems |
| 03:01:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | I do not know what that combo is either |
| 03:01:34 | Mikachu | hm |
| 03:01:43 | Mikachu | is iriver h100/h300 or that ifp7xx thing? |
| 03:01:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | H100 |
| 03:01:53 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 03:02:02 | Mikachu | #define WPS_NEXT_DIR (BUTTON_RIGHT | BUTTON_ON) |
| 03:02:02 | Mikachu | #define WPS_PREV_DIR (BUTTON_LEFT | BUTTON_ON) |
| 03:02:07 | afruff23 | is the iPod video the most powerful CPU nad ram wise than other rockbox players? |
| 03:02:17 | afruff23 | and ram* |
| 03:02:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | The ifp7xx isn't yet at a point where I consider it a "working" target |
| 03:02:25 | Mikachu | ramwise gamgi |
| 03:02:32 | Mikachu | okay, i don't keep track :) |
| 03:02:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Depends on whether you count the Gigabeat WIP |
| 03:02:48 | FA-Tha_Stig | LOVE IT ^^ |
| 03:03:27 | afruff23 | you mean the gigabeat F series? |
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| 03:03:37 | Mikachu | wasn't someone rewriting the wps parser too btw? |
| 03:03:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: whichever one's being worked on. |
| 03:08:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I can confirm that you can rewind to outside of the A-B range rather easily, but I don't get the freeze he does. |
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| 03:09:52 | afruff23 | i CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T GIVE THE GIGABEAT VIDEO CAPABILITY WITH A 400 MHZ PROCESSOR |
| 03:09:58 | afruff23 | sorry about caps |
| 03:10:25 | BHSPitLappy | 400MHz? |
| 03:10:33 | afruff23 | yes |
| 03:10:39 | BHSPitLappy | 400MHz can run windows |
| 03:10:56 | afruff23 | my computer's 333 mhz and it's running XP |
| 03:11:09 | BHSPitLappy | that's fantastic... |
| 03:11:31 | afruff23 | what's the minimum to running XP? |
| 03:11:36 | afruff23 | I eman windows |
| 03:11:39 | afruff23 | mean* |
| 03:12:13 | Mikachu | any computer without an internet connection |
| 03:12:37 | afruff23 | because windows is virus-prone? |
| 03:13:31 | Mikachu | i think the installer for windows 98 required more ram than windows 98 itself |
| 03:13:34 | Mikachu | or possibly it was 95 |
| 03:13:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was 98, if I recall |
| 03:13:58 | afruff23 | how much? |
| 03:14:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it was like 50% more, but I don't remember how much that was. |
| 03:14:17 | Mikachu | either 8 or 16 maybe |
| 03:14:36 | Mikachu | it's strange that 640kB isn't enough for bill anymore |
| 03:15:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | "So, Bill, we have you quoted as saying 640kb of RAM should be plenty. Can we expect this design philosophy to hold with the upcoming Windows Vista release?" |
| 03:16:13 | Mikachu | haha, maybe if your gfx card has plenty of ram it will work |
| 03:16:25 | afruff23 | I bet that thign is going to have a 512 mB minimum |
| 03:16:29 | sharpe | hey, i'm dealing with 64kb of ram... |
| 03:16:44 | Mikachu | afruff23: i wouldn't be surprised if it was 1GB :) |
| 03:16:46 | afruff23 | thing*=vista |
| 03:17:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think 1gb is the current suggested, with 512 being the listed minimum, but I could be wrong |
| 03:17:06 | Mikachu | variable may be used uninitialized: thing |
| 03:17:08 | afruff23 | I jsut ahte te design philiosphy of windows as it get snewer and newer |
| 03:17:16 | afruff23 | they trade performance in for eyecandy |
| 03:17:23 | afruff23 | just hate the* |
| 03:17:27 | afruff23 | gets* |
| 03:17:31 | Mikachu | i think they have a deal with hardware manufacturers |
| 03:17:52 | Mikachu | </conspiracy theory> |
| 03:17:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: People were uninstalling Rockbox from their H300s back when it didn't have the ability to change colors or use color graphics in WPS. |
| 03:18:13 | sharpe | gah, how do i figure out the foreground color... |
| 03:18:18 | Mikachu | maybe that's why the x5's selling point is COLOR STEREO |
| 03:18:24 | afruff23 | color sound* |
| 03:18:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:18:32 | afruff23 | and no they put that on the M5 as well |
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| 03:18:36 | afruff23 | the M5 is grayscale |
| 03:18:37 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders what Blue sounds like. |
| 03:18:49 | Mikachu | feh, close enough :) |
| 03:19:00 | afruff23 | it's engrish |
| 03:19:04 | Benacool | Blue sound likes a river! |
| 03:19:08 | afruff23 | sicne they put it on the grayscale M5 |
| 03:19:35 | mongey | Are the current rockbox builds for the h300 stable |
| 03:19:36 | mongey | ? |
| 03:19:38 | sharpe | well, it depends on how you represent your color, and what way of outputting audio you have. |
| 03:19:45 | afruff23 | I think they meant that the device Colors sound |
| 03:19:48 | afruff23 | that's bad |
| 03:20:00 | Mikachu | that still doesn't make any sense to me |
| 03:20:09 | afruff23 | coloring sound means distorting |
| 03:20:30 | mongey | anyone? |
| 03:20:38 | afruff23 | anyways, it's jsut bad translation |
| 03:20:42 | afruff23 | yes it is stable |
| 03:20:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | mongey: Hopefully, yes. |
| 03:21:10 | mongey | i heard that the builds after april 4th were unstable with plaback |
| 03:21:25 | Mikachu | hopefully that should get an upper bound too |
| 03:21:34 | afruff23 | didn't they fix that by now |
| 03:21:54 | Mikachu | it's the very thing lostlogic is working on now |
| 03:22:16 | afruff23 | downlaod an older build isntead then |
| 03:22:22 | afruff23 | instead* |
| 03:22:31 | mongey | well i have aapril the second |
| 03:22:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | mongey: We think that the playback issues are fixed. And we'd appreciate people downloading the newest build and letting us know if they aren't. Even started a few threads for that purpose specifically in the forum. |
| 03:23:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mind you, by newest I mean "CVS / Bleeding Edge" and not "Daily" |
| 03:23:16 | mongey | ok ill try now |
| 03:23:57 | sharpe | yay |
| 03:24:06 | sharpe | i have the correct background/foreground colors now |
| 03:24:20 | afruff23 | what do you mean? |
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| 03:24:31 | sharpe | me? |
| 03:24:37 | afruff23 | yes |
| 03:24:42 | sharpe | c64 emulator |
| 03:25:07 | afruff23 | on rockbox?!?! |
| 03:25:11 | sharpe | yeah |
| 03:25:22 | afruff23 | is it in the CVS? |
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| 03:25:29 | sharpe | nope |
| 03:25:35 | sharpe | tis a plugin i'm working on |
| 03:25:49 | afruff23 | when's the feature freeze over? |
| 03:25:51 | mongey | dunno if i should ask |
| 03:25:54 | sharpe | there's also the feature freeze, and it's probably nowhere near complete. |
| 03:26:05 | sharpe | er, my plugin is probably nowhere near complete. |
| 03:26:08 | mongey | well i just say it where can i get doom wads |
| 03:26:19 | sharpe | google |
| 03:26:26 | webguest96 | theres in link to top 100 |
| 03:26:30 | sharpe | and that's all i can say. |
| 03:26:44 | afruff23 | shady dealings |
| 03:26:46 | sharpe | you could just use the shareware wads. |
| 03:26:57 | afruff23 | or user-created ones |
| 03:27:11 | Mikachu | i'm not sure if tc wads work without the retail wad |
| 03:27:33 | afruff23 | tc=user-created? |
| 03:27:40 | afruff23 | ? |
| 03:27:44 | Mikachu | total conversion |
| 03:28:05 | afruff23 | but the user created will right? |
| 03:29:19 | webguest96 | can anyone give me a link to a site that will explain to me in the most simple of ways how to install ipl if i already have rockbox going |
| 03:30:11 | essoe | can seomone help me setup the elf-elf-gcc ? |
| 03:30:47 | essoe | webguest: I can send you a decent link, none of the ones I've seen have worked 100% tho |
| 03:31:13 | webguest96 | what exactly is wrong with them? |
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| 03:31:42 | essoe | just different things vary, the install is basically the same |
| 03:32:40 | webguest96 | well can i have the link, please? i suppose if its not going to screw my ipod up ill do it |
| 03:33:05 | sharpe | okay, i've a screenshot of the emulator so far, with colored text working |
| 03:33:07 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_color.png |
| 03:33:25 | webguest96 | lookin nice |
| 03:33:52 | afruff23 | what are the possible applicatiosn for this emulator? |
| 03:33:56 | afruff23 | just a few |
| 03:34:09 | afruff23 | applications* |
| 03:34:18 | sharpe | probably just games when i get the VIC chip implemented |
| 03:34:19 | essoe | how do you launch games on a commodore? .. I never understood those emulators or the atari ones with disc drives |
| 03:34:45 | sharpe | LOAD it off the casette, then RUN it... |
| 03:34:47 | sharpe | i think |
| 03:35:01 | sharpe | unless you typed it, then just RUN |
| 03:35:05 | webguest96 | essoe: do you have the link? |
| 03:35:07 | sharpe | cassette |
| 03:35:18 | essoe | web- I sent you two, check your pm |
| 03:35:32 | webguest96 | thank you... im brand new to this whole thing so yeah... |
| 03:35:34 | essoe | wait its my side |
| 03:35:36 | essoe | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 03:35:50 | essoe | webguest96 http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10163_7-6279061-5.html |
| 03:35:54 | webguest96 | there we go |
| 03:35:56 | essoe | webguest96 http://ipodlinux.org/5g#First_Time |
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| 03:36:19 | webguest96 | blahh! |
| 03:36:25 | sharpe | yay emulator |
| 03:36:36 | webguest96 | i pressed backspace and it went back in my browser |
| 03:36:38 | essoe | rockbox is different than IPL I think, but the installs are similar.. you partition the disc drives the same way, then for rockbox you install everything on drive sda2 .. whereas with linux it goes on sda3 |
| 03:36:44 | webguest96 | i missed that second link |
| 03:36:45 | essoe | ^ for webguuest |
| 03:36:52 | essoe | http://ipodlinux.org/5g#First_Time |
| 03:36:56 | webguest96 | thanks |
| 03:38:09 | sharpe | okay, what to work on next... |
| 03:38:11 | webguest96 | and these instructions take into account my ipod is already running rockbox, correct? |
| 03:38:19 | afruff23 | is it safe to use the bitrate tag in the WPS WITHOUT a conditional? |
| 03:38:30 | essoe | web- no, those may not be rockbox, just Ipodforlinux |
| 03:38:55 | mongey | was doom taken out? |
| 03:38:57 | sharpe | afruff23, i imagine it's okay. |
| 03:40:13 | afruff23 | How would I display a tag then a constant text right after without a space between it? |
| 03:40:21 | afruff23 | could I do this?: |
| 03:40:22 | afruff23 | %fbkbps |
| 03:40:37 | sharpe | yes |
| 03:40:41 | afruff23 | would this display soemthing like 192kbps? |
| 03:40:45 | sharpe | aye |
| 03:40:52 | afruff23 | ok thanks |
| 03:40:57 | sharpe | mmhmm :D |
| 03:41:51 | afruff23 | do you think file frequency is a staple tag to include in the WPS? |
| 03:42:08 | afruff23 | staple=important |
| 03:42:26 | sharpe | aw, i thought you meant using a staple and binding it to the text... |
| 03:42:30 | sharpe | ah, sure |
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| 03:44:11 | mongey | can some try doom with the latest build |
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| 03:46:08 | mongey | woops |
| 03:46:11 | mongey | my bad |
| 03:47:30 | afruff23 | what? |
| 03:48:08 | mongey | nvm |
| 03:48:21 | mongey | i forgot the rockbox.wad |
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| 04:03:51 | afruff23 | should Current Time In Song and Total Track Time be used in conditionals? |
| 04:04:09 | Mikachu | i don't think they'll ever be empty.. |
| 04:04:31 | afruff23 | what would happen if you displayed an empty tag in the WPS? |
| 04:04:35 | afruff23 | would it crash? |
| 04:04:44 | midkay | no, haha. it just wouldn't show up. |
| 04:04:47 | webguest96 | anyone got a link to a very simple installation process for ipl if ive already got rockbox on my 5g |
| 04:05:11 | Mikachu | willing to put a lot of work into it eh |
| 04:05:38 | afruff23 | mikachu, who was that directed to? |
| 04:05:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: The one I explained to you earlier is about as simple as it gets if you want to use the Rockbox loader. |
| 04:06:23 | afruff23 | what are the future plans for the runtime db? |
| 04:06:26 | webguest96 | what was it again paul? |
| 04:06:33 | afruff23 | remove, improve, integrate into tagcache? |
| 04:06:37 | Mikachu | afruff23: the wps system should be pretty failsafe |
| 04:06:51 | Mikachu | afruff23: it may totally mess up the parsing, but it shouldn't crash at least |
| 04:07:25 | midkay | there's no reason *for* it to crash.. |
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| 04:07:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: Create an ext2 or ext3 partition (in addition to the existing two), extract the ipodlinux root filesystem to it, overwrite with the newest build of podzilla, and then copy a new .bin for the kernel into the fat32 partition named linux.bin |
| 04:07:55 | afruff23 | the CustomWPS guide keeps warnign to use conditionals as if soemthing bad would happen |
| 04:08:05 | midkay | afruff23, no, just for good looks.. |
| 04:08:24 | midkay | you don't want "Next Track: %It" and then have it just show "Next Track: " when there is no %It. |
| 04:08:26 | midkay | it looks ugly. |
| 04:08:36 | afruff23 | Oh, I know that |
| 04:08:45 | midkay | that's the reason, that's the why. |
| 04:08:46 | Mikachu | it would show Next Track: - |
| 04:08:54 | Mikachu | or hm, maybe i have - in my wps, nm :) |
| 04:09:21 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: btw, rewindig behind A is a feature, so that you can reset an A you missed ;0 |
| 04:10:07 | Mikachu | what uses are there for abrepeat? |
| 04:10:15 | webguest96 | Paul_The_Nerd: i dont think you understand how newbie i am at this, i have no clue how to even create a new partition, and rather than bother you guys a whole bunch, i just wanted a site with it all |
| 04:10:20 | midkay | midkay, haha. |
| 04:10:23 | lostlogic | *shrug* I never use it |
| 04:10:24 | afruff23 | for artist what should the priority be for displaying? |
| 04:10:26 | midkay | oops. |
| 04:10:26 | afruff23 | currently I'm going by ID3 Artist, ID3 composer, filename without extension |
| 04:10:40 | midkay | Mikachu, um.. musicians or whatever trying to get down a certain portion of a song.. |
| 04:10:56 | Mikachu | would you do such things on a dap? |
| 04:11:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: Seems like a good feature to have. :) |
| 04:11:02 | midkay | sure, why not? |
| 04:11:18 | Mikachu | sitting on the subway with your dap and your tuba |
| 04:11:22 | midkay | if you find a portion of an audiobook hilarious, hearing it over and over.. |
| 04:11:25 | sharpe | modkay, did you laugh at yourself? |
| 04:11:29 | sharpe | er, midkay. |
| 04:11:41 | midkay | sharpe, haha. it was unintentional! |
| 04:11:43 | Mikachu | midkay: heh, that's a good reason i guess |
| 04:11:46 | sharpe | lol, okay. |
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| 04:11:55 | midkay | Mikachu, yes, every DAP needs it for that :) |
| 04:12:09 | sharpe | well... now that i have colored text... what to do? |
| 04:12:15 | midkay | nothing? |
| 04:12:20 | Mikachu | sound! |
| 04:12:22 | * | afruff23 would like everything in the WPS to be coordinate absed so I could finish everything superfast |
| 04:12:28 | afruff23 | based* |
| 04:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: There's not a site that explains creating a partition specifically for Rockbox. You're gonna have to learn how to use Linux to create an ext2 partition on your iPod. As I said, that's the simplest way for doing it using the Rockbox bootloader. The other option is starting from scratch and installing Linux first using their Loader2, and then adding rockbox on top of it (which is just then a matter of unzipping it in the ro |
| 04:12:44 | midkay | afruff23, i don't see how coordinates would help you finish it faster? |
| 04:13:05 | afruff23 | so I would know fi aprts would voerlap or not |
| 04:13:09 | afruff23 | overlap* |
| 04:13:14 | afruff23 | if parts* |
| 04:13:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Then go ahead 'n code us up a viewport system. :) |
| 04:13:33 | midkay | how big is your WPS that you need to use every square .. pixel?! |
| 04:13:33 | midkay | :) |
| 04:13:42 | sharpe | hmm... |
| 04:13:42 | webguest96 | Paul_The_Nerd: the end of your explanation got cut off to me... stops at (which is just then a matter of unzipping it in the ro |
| 04:13:44 | afruff23 | my screen's res? |
| 04:13:48 | afruff23 | 160 x 128 |
| 04:14:00 | sharpe | think i should implement something, that makes use of the scroll wheel, to enter commands? |
| 04:14:38 | sharpe | er, to scroll thru the alphabet... |
| 04:14:40 | Mikachu | you should implement it so it doesn't depend on a specific dap's features |
| 04:14:43 | sharpe | or possible keys. |
| 04:15:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: root of your ipod). But to do that you need to get instructions for installing ipodlinux from them |
| 04:15:08 | sharpe | as far as i can tell, there's nothing i've done that's player specific |
| 04:15:16 | sharpe | other than the memory requirements |
| 04:15:23 | sharpe | and the screen requirement |
| 04:15:39 | midkay | <sharpe> think i should implement something, that makes use of the scroll wheel, to enter commands? |
| 04:15:47 | midkay | don't make it depend on the scroll wheel, i think he means. |
| 04:15:54 | sharpe | bite me. |
| 04:15:59 | midkay | sure. |
| 04:16:00 | sharpe | :D |
| 04:16:06 | midkay | :O |
| 04:16:08 | midkay | ^ teeth. |
| 04:16:32 | sharpe | i meant, have it scroll thru the alphabet to enter characters :) using different keys and such for each player... |
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| 04:16:51 | midkay | you said scroll wheel!! |
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| 04:17:16 | sharpe | freudian slip! |
| 04:18:19 | webguest96 | Paul_The_Nerd: so how am I going to learn to use linux to create a new partition? |
| 04:18:41 | sharpe | okay, the plugin needs at least 68kb of free plugin space. |
| 04:18:51 | sharpe | which, won't work with archoses. |
| 04:19:21 | midkay | shame. |
| 04:19:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: The internet is full of information relating to linux. Honestly, if you've never touched linux in your life, you might want to go looking through ipodlinux's resources for a means of installing IPL with Loader2 on your ipod, and tackle it that way. |
| 04:20:05 | sharpe | and it needs a screen at least, 320x200 |
| 04:20:20 | sharpe | due to the character size of the c64 |
| 04:21:00 | sharpe | midkay, you saw the picture with the colors working, right? |
| 04:21:09 | webguest96 | Paul_The_Nerd: so am i going to need to delete all of the rockbox stuff on my ipod to do that, because i have indeed never used linux |
| 04:22:58 | midkay | sharpe, nope? |
| 04:23:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: Before starting the linux installation process, whatever it may be, you should either "ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin" or use the apple upgrade tool to restore your ipod. But I can't promise there will be easy steps from IPL, I don't know what resources are available from them |
| 04:23:41 | sharpe | http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_color.png ? |
| 04:23:57 | midkay | has anyone found the capacity of the iPod 5G and nano batteries? |
| 04:24:31 | midkay | sharpe, cool :) |
| 04:24:46 | sharpe | and the basic commands work still |
| 04:24:49 | sharpe | so that's good |
| 04:24:56 | midkay | yep. |
| 04:25:26 | webguest96 | Paul_The_Nerd: I have a 5g and the installation guide there for a 5g links to the forum in which a user has posted his way of installion which is very very lengthy... maybe ill just stick with rockbox.... |
| 04:25:32 | sharpe | i feel special for making an emulator |
| 04:25:35 | sharpe | :D |
| 04:26:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest96: It may be best. There's just not a simple way to do both yet. |
| 04:29:04 | sharpe | i may have to figure out what keypresses should be used to switch between keyboard and joystick mode |
| 04:29:33 | sharpe | for entry of stuff |
| 04:29:38 | sharpe | or playing games |
| 04:36:17 | sharpe | ... |
| 04:42:25 | webguest96 | so, uh, how bout that weather? |
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| 04:45:07 | sharpe | ah |
| 04:45:12 | sharpe | i can't tell. it's dark. |
| 04:45:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | I plot to destroy it. |
| 04:47:19 | sharpe | i like the rain |
| 04:47:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nothin' wrong with rain |
| 04:47:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | I hate it being 50F one day, and 95F the next |
| 04:48:34 | sharpe | yeah. |
| 04:49:07 | sharpe | time to test my attempt at text input for the c64. |
| 04:49:24 | webguest96 | ill help in that destruction of the weather thing you got goin on there |
| 04:49:44 | webguest96 | as long as when its destroyed it just kinda remains like 70 and slightly sunny |
| 04:50:18 | TCK | k |
| 04:50:19 | midkay | anyone with an X5 around? |
| 04:50:34 | sharpe | durr i have a 5g! |
| 04:50:37 | sharpe | :) |
| 04:50:51 | midkay | yes, they both have a "5". nice job. :) |
| 04:51:24 | sharpe | i are good |
| 04:51:27 | midkay | afruff23? you have an X5, don't you? |
| 04:51:39 | BHSPitLappy | I is, too! |
| 04:51:59 | midkay | _LOL_. |
| 04:51:59 | sharpe | but does your 5g have a c64 emulator on it? :D |
| 04:52:46 | essoe | I just want a port of the oregon trail |
| 04:52:52 | afruff23 | yes |
| 04:52:55 | afruff23 | I do |
| 04:53:08 | midkay | afruff23, can you tell me what holding REC does in the browser? |
| 04:53:34 | afruff23 | answer to midkay not sharpe |
| 04:54:04 | afruff23 | not sure |
| 04:54:11 | midkay | seems to do nothing? |
| 04:54:19 | afruff23 | I'll try in the uisimulator now |
| 04:54:26 | midkay | where's your X5? :) |
| 04:54:42 | afruff23 | not with me |
| 04:54:47 | midkay | ah. :\ |
| 04:55:41 | afruff23 | it did nothing in the UI sim |
| 04:55:49 | midkay | i think it's to resume.. |
| 04:55:54 | afruff23 | unless I press it a few times |
| 04:55:55 | afruff23 | wierd |
| 04:55:59 | midkay | can you try playing a file, stopping, and then holding rec? |
| 04:56:26 | afruff23 | ggoes back to file browser |
| 04:56:35 | midkay | what does? |
| 04:56:48 | afruff23 | what you jsut said |
| 04:57:00 | midkay | play a file, then stop playback, and you should go back to the browser, then from there hold rec. |
| 04:57:50 | afruff23 | what's stop? |
| 04:57:53 | midkay | hm. nevermind, thanks.. i figured it out.. |
| 04:57:56 | midkay | hm, not sure. |
| 04:58:08 | midkay | hold play.. |
| 04:58:18 | sharpe | whoops |
| 04:58:29 | sharpe | no wonder the text input didn't really work |
| 04:59:22 | sharpe | quick, use select or down to enter the text? |
| 04:59:31 | midkay | use play. |
| 04:59:39 | sharpe | 'kay |
| 04:59:49 | midkay | no. scroll_back. |
| 04:59:58 | sharpe | already use it. |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:05 | midkay | left|menu. |
| 05:00:16 | sharpe | already use that |
| 05:00:23 | midkay | select|menu|(repeat*5) |
| 05:00:24 | midkay | :) |
| 05:00:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | left|right|menu|play|select! |
| 05:00:47 | sharpe | up down left right select start ! |
| 05:00:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | UUDDLRLRBA Start |
| 05:00:59 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, left|right|menu|play|(select|rel) |
| 05:01:01 | midkay | :) |
| 05:01:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
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| 05:01:17 | midkay | that'd be tough :) |
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| 05:01:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Indeed it would |
| 05:01:56 | midkay | hm, that's really _weird_.. |
| 05:02:14 | midkay | TREE_POWER_BUTTON is defined for 8 targets but used nowhere. |
| 05:02:16 | sharpe | i should really add cpu_boost()... |
| 05:02:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | nowhere? |
| 05:02:29 | midkay | nowhere. |
| 05:02:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's strange. |
| 05:02:58 | midkay | each occurrence in the entire /rockbox/ dir was a #define.. |
| 05:03:10 | sharpe | twould make it emulate faster while drawing the screen... |
| 05:03:30 | midkay | i guess i'll remove them while i'm here, can put them back later if they're for anything.. |
| 05:03:40 | sharpe | well, i'm gone. |
| 05:03:40 | sharpe | latert |
| 05:03:40 | sharpe | later... |
| 05:03:46 | midkay | later sharpe |
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| 05:07:33 | sharpe | just to notify, text input works somewhat :D |
| 05:07:54 | midkay | sharpe, my trust in you is shattered. |
| 05:07:58 | midkay | you said you were leaving and you werent. |
| 05:08:02 | midkay | weren't*. |
| 05:08:23 | sharpe | actually, i don't leave for the next six or so hours |
| 05:08:32 | sharpe | i sleep eight feet away. |
| 05:08:47 | sharpe | okay, going to sleep now |
| 05:08:50 | sharpe | later everyone |
| 05:08:53 | midkay | what the hell. |
| 05:08:56 | midkay | i'm not saying later. |
| 05:09:00 | midkay | because you already ruined it. |
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| 05:19:49 | essoe | stopwatch is simple, yet genius |
| 05:20:02 | midkay | yes. so clever. a watch that actually times something. |
| 05:20:13 | midkay | how unbelievably insane is that. |
| 05:20:20 | essoe | well as a plugin for rockbox |
| 05:20:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I didn't have an actual watch, I'd love it. |
| 05:20:43 | midkay | who would have ever considered giving rockbox a stopwatch over the past 5 years? |
| 05:20:48 | midkay | that's _insane_. yeah.i can't believe it happened. |
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| 05:30:36 | VoltageX | reckon it would be possible to use the second mini usb port to hook up peripherals like say, a wifi adaptor? streaming mp3s in rockbox would rule. |
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| 05:32:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Possible, maybe (assuming you're talking about a USB OTG/Host port) but the likelihood of what you've described is pretty slim. |
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| 05:35:51 | afruff23 | but it would have to be self-powered right? |
| 05:36:01 | afruff23 | the power demand would be great for wireless right? |
| 05:36:20 | afruff23 | anyways, it's probably never gonna happen on rockbox |
| 05:36:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I know bluetooth adapters can be powered simply by USB, I imagine 802.11b probably can too |
| 05:36:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Someone would have to code a custom driver for a specific chipset though, I imagine |
| 05:36:45 | afruff23 | that's what I thought btu it'd eb hard to stream music over either of those 2 |
| 05:37:03 | afruff23 | 111 mbps or less is not much |
| 05:37:10 | afruff23 | 11* |
| 05:37:19 | afruff23 | and that's at peak |
| 05:37:25 | afruff23 | it's usually around 5 mbps |
| 05:37:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | 11mbps is a LOT more than the 320kbps that the highest bitrate MP3s are. |
| 05:37:28 | afruff23 | or less |
| 05:37:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or the 1411kbps raw WAV is. |
| 05:38:08 | afruff23 | bluettoth is way less than 11 mbps peak though |
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| 05:38:14 | afruff23 | I forget waht it is exactly |
| 05:38:19 | afruff23 | what* |
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| 05:39:59 | afruff23 | I finished my WPS, except now I ahve to do trial and error with text and picture positioning |
| 05:40:06 | afruff23 | I hate this part |
| 05:40:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Looks like BT is 723kbps (actual. The spec is 1Mbit, but some is wasted here 'n there). Enough to stream most compressed audio at least |
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| 05:40:58 | afruff23 | but actual speeds are probably much less |
| 05:41:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it depends on range. |
| 05:41:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that's still more than twice the bitrate any MP3 should ever be. |
| 05:42:11 | afruff23 | what was wrong with 802.11b? |
| 05:42:16 | afruff23 | why was BT introduced? |
| 05:42:34 | afruff23 | 302.11b is faster, cheaper, and more versatile |
| 05:42:40 | afruff23 | 802.11b* |
| 05:42:48 | midkay | 902.10 !! |
| 05:43:05 | afruff23 | is that a real standard? |
| 05:43:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: BT is a lot easier for laypersons to set up device interoperability with. |
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| 05:43:11 | midkay | no.. it's a.. joke. |
| 05:43:12 | midkay | 90210. |
| 05:43:16 | midkay | isn't that a show or something. |
| 05:43:19 | afruff23 | yea |
| 05:43:19 | midkay | i guess nobody got it. |
| 05:43:19 | midkay | :( |
| 05:43:35 | afruff23 | the dot threw me off |
| 05:43:39 | midkay | yeah. |
| 05:43:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: 802.11b is primarily for networking. While BT can be used for networking, it's really more of a device to device protocol, like syncing a cellphone, or using a hands free headset. |
| 05:44:09 | afruff23 | 802.11b has ad-hoc |
| 05:44:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but 802.11b as a standard has no means by which a device can offer its capabilities. |
| 05:44:35 | afruff23 | but yea I get what you're saying |
| 05:44:56 | afruff23 | it can but the hardware would be more expensive |
| 05:45:03 | afruff23 | looka t those wireless media streamers |
| 05:45:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: That's not a feature of the protocol. |
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| 05:46:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | BT is useful because it lets a cellphone control a remote control car, or serve as a means of controlling a mouse pointer on my desktop. Not that I'd ever WANT to do that, but it allows such things in an easy for my Dad to use manner |
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| 05:47:26 | Galois | bluetooth jumped the shark for me when one day I found myself typing on my friend's computer and vice versa |
| 05:48:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
| 05:48:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I am 100% against wireless keyboards and mice. |
| 05:48:27 | VoltageX | I'd still love to stream to rockbox |
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| 05:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Don't expect it any time this year at least. :) |
| 05:48:48 | VoltageX | and the RT2XXX chipset is being ported to linux |
| 05:48:54 | VoltageX | ah well I've got doom so I"m happy |
| 05:49:18 | Lambo | doom hates me |
| 05:49:25 | afruff23 | why paul? |
| 05:49:30 | afruff23 | why do you hat wireless mouse? |
| 05:49:33 | afruff23 | batteries? |
| 05:49:37 | afruff23 | hate* |
| 05:50:07 | afruff23 | I try not to use wireless thigns when possible due to batteries beign such a hassle |
| 05:50:11 | afruff23 | things* |
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| 05:51:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff23: Batteries. It's all about the batteries. I will never put myself in a position whereby through neglect I need to visit a STORE just to resume use of my computer. |
| 05:51:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Well, seeing as rockbox isn't linux, that isn't a huge help |
| 05:51:33 | afruff23 | yep, same here |
| 05:51:37 | afruff23 | I ahte using batteries |
| 05:51:41 | afruff23 | hate* |
| 05:51:47 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: but I'm assuming the m68k gcc will compile it. |
| 05:52:44 | afruff23 | if soembody invents a battery that will never lose it's maximmum charge capacity, then I will give them a $100 |
| 05:52:56 | VoltageX | actually I'd rather a fmod port first :D |
| 05:52:58 | afruff23 | as in over time, it doesn |
| 05:53:03 | afruff23 | t become less efficient |
| 05:53:29 | VoltageX | afruff23: I'm looking at my iriver, which lasts for <8hrs between recharges |
| 05:53:50 | afruff23 | isn't that bad? |
| 05:54:01 | VoltageX | the way that you replace the iriver battery looks scary. |
| 05:54:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Just because you can compile something doesn't mean it'll work without drastic modifications |
| 05:54:27 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: it's a start :S |
| 05:54:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, it is |
| 05:54:56 | VoltageX | fmod first, wifi second |
| 05:55:04 | VoltageX | I had my first rockbox freeze today... |
| 05:56:11 | Lambo | doom doesn't like my ipod :/ |
| 05:56:12 | afruff23 | has anybody noticed that whenever some cool new mp3 player ccomes out it is usually flash-based |
| 05:56:19 | afruff23 | like that wireless one |
| 05:56:37 | afruff23 | I don't like flash due to it's abysmal cpacity |
| 05:57:03 | VoltageX | err how come the iriver h340 is twice as thick as the h320? |
| 05:57:15 | afruff23 | bigger hard drive |
| 05:57:20 | Galois | flash is barely adequate, if you use some higher quality format to make up for the lower capacity |
| 05:57:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not twice as thick |
| 05:57:37 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: exaggeration |
| 05:58:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, I believe they're releaseing 2.5" 32gig flash based HDs soon, which at least means the archoses might be able to move to flash |
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| 05:59:03 | VoltageX | iriver needs to release the iriver h380. I filled 37gb so quickly |
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| 06:01:19 | Galois | afruff23: NiCd batteries last basically forever if you cycle them regularly (http://www.buchmann.ca/Article9-Page1.asp) |
| 06:01:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: Buy an 80-gig and swap it in? |
| 06:01:43 | Galois | but, NiCd batteries don't match Li-ion in energy density |
| 06:02:06 | Galois | also, unfortunately, it is not in the manufacturer's best interest to ship a battery that lasts forever |
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| 06:03:51 | VoltageX | Paul_The_Nerd: o.O that's possible? I might do it when I'm replacing the battery - I've gotta pop the hdd out anyway. How likely am I to brick the player doing this? |
| 06:04:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | VoltageX: The HD swap to my understanding is basically about as simple as a battery swap. |
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| 06:06:05 | VoltageX | oooh! very tempting. |
| 06:06:25 | VoltageX | err, my noobness is showing, what kind of hard drive is it? |
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| 06:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1.8" Dual Platter. MK8007GAH I think. |
| 06:11:36 | VoltageX | gah, possibly tricky to get here |
| 06:12:16 | VoltageX | so will it take non-toshiba drives? |
| 06:13:01 | VoltageX | hmm I've found somewhere that sells 15gb 1.8" drives. |
| 06:13:26 | VoltageX | and the same 40gb drive that's stock |
| 06:13:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | The MK8007GAH is toshiba I think |
| 06:13:49 | VoltageX | crap, that's almost as much as a new player |
| 06:15:21 | VoltageX | Toshiba 60GB 1.8" HDD (HDD 225) |
| 06:15:22 | VoltageX | Not Rated |
| 06:15:22 | VoltageX | Rate Merchant |
| 06:15:22 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK VoltageX |
| 06:15:22 | VoltageX | $450.00 |
| 06:15:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, they aren't cheap |
| 06:15:25 | VoltageX | oops sorry. |
| 06:17:29 | VoltageX | hmm not really worth it unless they drop in price a bit |
| 06:17:46 | VoltageX | still, good to know that in 3 years I could extend the life of my player. |
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| 06:18:56 | livesNbox | anyone awake ? |
| 06:19:02 | VoltageX | me, barely. |
| 06:19:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aye, I do not yet sleep. |
| 06:19:35 | livesNbox | heh.. I have an iPod and I've just started running rockbox on it −− I've been running it on my iRiver h320 for a while now and it looks like the port to iPod is pretty stable now.. |
| 06:20:00 | livesNbox | One giant problem though - I have to have 2 copies of everything on my player! |
| 06:20:17 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 06:20:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, you don't |
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| 06:20:24 | livesNbox | actually I just realized something |
| 06:20:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are a few solutions |
| 06:20:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1) Don't use Apple FW |
| 06:20:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2) Use TagCache |
| 06:20:35 | livesNbox | my doc connector in my car worked just fine with rockbox |
| 06:20:49 | livesNbox | I was using tagcache but then you can't use album art.. |
| 06:21:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't the recent album art patch compatible with it? |
| 06:21:38 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:21:38 | * | Paul_The_Nerd still doesn't get the desire of people to waste space on album art. |
| 06:21:51 | livesNbox | i believe you have to put a cover.bmp in the folder with the songs for the album it relates to |
| 06:22:18 | livesNbox | Paul_The_Nerd: it looks nice... there is something to be said for style, ya know |
| 06:22:36 | livesNbox | maybe I'll just blow away all of my songs from my apple side of the house. |
| 06:24:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but there's something to be said against style over substance, and album art both takes up space on the HD that could potentially fit a little more music, and takes up valuable audio buffer. So, for me at least, it's a fairly useless thing. :) |
| 06:24:06 | livesNbox | the only real reason I was keeping them was for my peripherals (docks and stuff in the house / office / car) |
| 06:24:50 | livesNbox | if I didn't still have 18GB free I might worry about that :) |
| 06:24:55 | livesNbox | but the ladies love it. |
| 06:24:56 | livesNbox | heh |
| 06:24:56 | Galois | can't you use foopod to deobfuscate the itunes filenames so that rockbox can read them? |
| 06:25:11 | livesNbox | yeah I think so.. but they are still scattered all over the hard drive I believe. |
| 06:25:20 | livesNbox | tagcache is probably easier. |
| 06:26:02 | Galois | my ipod only has ogg files, so the apple firmware is kind of irrelevant to me |
| 06:26:16 | livesNbox | hh |
| 06:26:17 | livesNbox | heh |
| 06:26:19 | livesNbox | ogg only eh ? |
| 06:26:20 | Lambo | yay for errors! |
| 06:26:22 | livesNbox | rip your own ? |
| 06:26:34 | Galois | yeah I don't trade, that's, like, illegal and shit |
| 06:26:58 | livesNbox | i buy em... www.allofmp3.com |
| 06:27:06 | livesNbox | $.02 per meg.. pretty decent. |
| 06:27:25 | Galois | also it's a nano so I do not have 18GB free space like you |
| 06:27:34 | Lambo | W_texturenumforname: |
| 06:27:36 | Lambo | fun |
| 06:27:46 | Lambo | -W+R |
| 06:28:09 | livesNbox | ohh I just remembered the real reason I came here −− I'm not setup to build my own rockbox firmware.. is there anyone who can compile a version of the latest firmware with the album art patch for me ? |
| 06:28:27 | livesNbox | or might just have one laying around.. for ipod 5g (video) |
| 06:28:47 | Galois | I technically could, except 1) I've never built an ipod video firmware before, 2) the consensus on the channel seems to be to encourage such petitioners to learn to compile |
| 06:28:49 | Slasheri | livesNbox: hmm, it would be better to even download them illegally than buy from www.allofmp3.com. If the really are so cheap, that is a russian site anyway which just delivers illegally copied files.. |
| 06:28:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Why not set up the ability to compile for yourself? |
| 06:29:13 | livesNbox | Paul_The_Nerd: didn't want to be up all night |
| 06:29:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | livesNbox: You learn to compile once, and you never have to ask that question again. Especially since there are possibly still playback bugs hiding in CVS. |
| 06:29:19 | midkay | livesNbox, wow, interesting site, that's like a buck an album.. |
| 06:29:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | So you'll probably need a new version in say, two days anyway |
| 06:29:27 | livesNbox | midkay: yeah super cheap. |
| 06:29:49 | livesNbox | is there a site that might walk me through getting setup ? |
| 06:29:52 | midkay | livesNbox, very cool.. *bookmarks* :) |
| 06:30:30 | livesNbox | midkay: yeah the best part −− you don't have to worry about getting wierd sounds in the middle of your songs.. heh |
| 06:30:42 | VoltageX | midkay: at first it doesn't look like you can use paypal, but they support icards from xrost.com which in turn uses paypal |
| 06:30:49 | Galois | livesNbox I heard that the vmware platform is easiest to set up |
| 06:30:58 | midkay | haha. VoltageX, nice.. |
| 06:31:08 | livesNbox | is there anyone who could build one for me tonight and then I'll get setup tomorrow? |
| 06:31:11 | midkay | livesNbox, looking to compile? i'm using the vmware image at the moment, it's extremely easy.. |
| 06:31:13 | VoltageX | gah, xrost is still down |
| 06:31:23 | livesNbox | midkay: does rockbox maintain a vmware image ? |
| 06:31:27 | midkay | livesNbox, it's already compiled and everything, just download it and use it.. |
| 06:31:27 | livesNbox | that would be really cool |
| 06:31:30 | Galois | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform !! |
| 06:31:39 | midkay | not maintain, but has one that's up-to-date and fully working. |
| 06:31:59 | livesNbox | that's sweet. |
| 06:32:08 | livesNbox | don't have time to do it tonight.. but I'll do it tomorrow |
| 06:32:26 | livesNbox | ok guys.. thanks... I'll just get back on this tomorrow |
| 06:32:36 | livesNbox | later. |
| 06:35:16 | midkay | later livesNbox |
| 06:39:56 | VoltageX | hmm I think 100mb of doom wads may be excessive. |
| 06:40:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lesse... Doom(ultimat):12mb, Doom2: 14, TNT: 14, Plutonia: 14, and then 46mb of add-ons? |
| 06:41:34 | VoltageX | and it's not recognising any others other than doom 1 and 2 |
| 06:41:34 | Shadowarrior13 | Hey, has the USB detection in the ipod changed recently? |
| 06:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shadowarrior13: In what way? |
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| 06:41:50 | Shadowarrior13 | I upgraded after a while, and it does the old stupid "Seeing-usb-when-it-isn't-there" thing, and reboots to disk mode. |
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| 06:42:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hm. |
| 06:42:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nobody else has complained about anything USB related at all. |
| 06:42:24 | Shadowarrior13 | Yeah, my ipod is a fuckhead. |
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| 06:42:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's probably a hardware flaw then |
| 06:42:45 | Shadowarrior13 | If there was an evil ipod, it'd be mine. |
| 06:43:31 | VoltageX | brb |
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| 06:44:34 | midkay | hm, that libmad patch is interesting. |
| 06:44:48 | essoe | is there a quick way to boot into the apple interface with rockbox? |
| 06:44:49 | midkay | my iPod is now managing mp3 just about 100% realtime with EQ on.. |
| 06:45:10 | Shadowarrior13 | Get ipodloader2. It's a whole lot easier than the rockbox bootloader. |
| 06:45:17 | Shadowarrior13 | And while you're at it, install ipl. |
| 06:45:23 | Shadowarrior13 | >.> |
| 06:45:34 | midkay | essoe, yes.. |
| 06:45:47 | midkay | hold MENU before the apple logo shows up (just after turning it on) |
| 06:45:54 | Shadowarrior13 | lol |
| 06:46:01 | Shadowarrior13 | He said quick :P |
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| 06:46:21 | midkay | that's quicker than a menu.. it's just pressing a button. |
| 06:46:30 | Shadowarrior13 | That menu button works 1 out of 10 times |
| 06:46:32 | midkay | and it doesn't require switching loaders.. |
| 06:46:39 | essoe | midkay- thanks! |
| 06:46:41 | midkay | more often if you're not pathetic :) |
| 06:46:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shadowarrior13: Funny, it works 10 out of 10 for me... |
| 06:46:45 | Shadowarrior13 | Psh |
| 06:46:50 | midkay | essoe, np |
| 06:46:51 | Shadowarrior13 | Well, my ipod is evil. |
| 06:47:05 | Shadowarrior13 | I'm going to blame everything on it. |
| 06:47:17 | Shadowarrior13 | "My cat got run over! Damn iPod." |
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| 06:47:30 | * | lostlogic starts a complete track skipping rework, and then heads to bed |
| 06:47:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's good. In most situations locally, I'm the blame magnet. |
| 06:47:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: You just love to torture yourself, doncha? |
| 06:47:55 | midkay | lostlogic, what do you think about the libmad patch? seems like an improvement to me.. |
| 06:48:15 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: it's necessary −− look at my wiki page, all of the bugs in the current playback are now track skipping related |
| 06:48:28 | lostlogic | Paul_The_Nerd: I dodged this one for as long as I could, working on the buffering logic |
| 06:48:29 | midkay | haha. |
| 06:48:39 | lostlogic | midkay: yes, it looks nice, waiting for preglow to commit it |
| 06:48:54 | lostlogic | g'night! |
| 06:48:58 | midkay | cool. i can't wait for his next patch (or at least he implied one) |
| 06:49:02 | midkay | night :) |
| 06:49:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | lostlogic: I'd actually noticed that most/all were skipping related. Still, I have to say you're doing some pretty amazing work. Thanks for the huge effort. |
| 06:49:24 | midkay | ^ seconded :) |
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| 07:01:26 | sayocean | hi guys |
| 07:01:29 | sayocean | quick question |
| 07:01:32 | sayocean | 5G Ipod |
| 07:01:35 | sayocean | 60 gigs |
| 07:01:49 | sayocean | filled up about 88 percent with mp3s.. |
| 07:02:11 | sayocean | i loaded rockbox , but the songs were skipping at times and crossfade wasn't working at all (besides when I stopped the music, it would fade out) |
| 07:02:18 | sayocean | any idea why im having these problems? |
| 07:02:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does your WPS have a peakmeter? |
| 07:02:33 | sayocean | yes |
| 07:02:35 | midkay | skipping would probably be the result of crossfeed and/or EQ enabled.. or peak meter.. |
| 07:02:45 | sayocean | and when it "pauseS" or skips, the peak meter dips to 0 |
| 07:02:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: I would recommend trying one without a peakmeter. |
| 07:02:52 | midkay | crossfade, make sure it's enabled "Yes" or "Track Skip Only" if you wish, and set the durations.. |
| 07:03:04 | sayocean | is it a common issue at the moment? |
| 07:03:10 | sayocean | for songs to "pause" |
| 07:03:15 | sayocean | i guess "skipipng" is the wrong term |
| 07:03:18 | sayocean | they take a 1 second pause |
| 07:03:24 | sayocean | from time to time |
| 07:03:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, it's a common issue |
| 07:03:42 | sayocean | other than that, the rockbox kicks the apple firmware SOOOO hard |
| 07:03:56 | essoe | could someone help me with getting elf-gcc up and running? |
| 07:04:00 | sayocean | so even if i formated the ipod and loaded rockbox, it wouldnt fix it? |
| 07:04:20 | midkay | fix what? |
| 07:04:27 | sayocean | fix the pauses |
| 07:04:32 | Galois | just turn off the peak meter and eq |
| 07:04:34 | sayocean | i thought |
| 07:04:45 | sayocean | that the pausing during songs was because my ipod was almost full |
| 07:04:55 | midkay | no, not at all. |
| 07:04:57 | Galois | it's unrelated |
| 07:04:57 | sayocean | 57 some gigs and i had 1.4 gigs left |
| 07:05:06 | midkay | disable EQ, disable crossfeed, remove the peak meter. |
| 07:05:11 | midkay | should run just fine after that.. |
| 07:05:18 | Galois | mp3 playback is slow right now, you have to turn off all the extra stuff |
| 07:06:24 | sayocean | <−−- noob |
| 07:06:25 | sayocean | lol |
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| 07:06:41 | sayocean | can someone explain to me how i turn the peak meter off? is it an option within the menu? |
| 07:06:42 | essoe | got one other dumb question−− when a track is playing, how do you get to the browse music/files screen? |
| 07:07:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Just pick a different WPS, one that doesn't show a peakmeter |
| 07:07:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | essoe: What type of player? |
| 07:07:30 | Galois | essoe: hit select (the middle button) |
| 07:07:34 | essoe | paul- ipod photo |
| 07:07:51 | essoe | galois: thanks |
| 07:08:15 | sayocean | anyone else have an ipod with rockbox ? |
| 07:08:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Many of us do. |
| 07:08:25 | Galois | most people here do |
| 07:08:32 | Angel | i do |
| 07:08:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: I wouldn't necessarily say "Most" |
| 07:08:49 | sayocean | ok cool |
| 07:09:00 | sayocean | ok here goes my second attempt :) |
| 07:09:02 | Angel | any of you have a 5g ipd with rockbox on it? |
| 07:09:15 | sayocean | angel |
| 07:09:21 | sayocean | im about to reload rockbox on mine |
| 07:09:28 | sayocean | i had it 3 days ago |
| 07:09:33 | sayocean | but uninstalled because of pauses |
| 07:09:48 | sayocean | anyone here have foobar2000 v. 8? |
| 07:09:54 | Angel | mk, have u heard of doom working on 5g yet? |
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| 07:10:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doom should work on 5G, I believe. |
| 07:10:31 | Angel | Yes i belive so to, how to get it working it my problem. |
| 07:10:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you read the PluginDoom page? |
| 07:11:02 | Angel | no |
| 07:11:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's in the rockbox wiki |
| 07:11:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | just type PluginDoom in the Go To Page box |
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| 07:12:19 | Angel_of_Death | Alright, checking it out now thanks. |
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| 07:13:41 | Angel_of_Death | RoC_MM, dank |
| 07:15:36 | RoC_MM | Tell me if you get it working Angel_of_Death |
| 07:15:43 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, yes i have foobar |
| 07:17:26 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, Did you have questions about foobar sayocean? |
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| 07:19:24 | sayocean | angel |
| 07:19:24 | sayocean | yes |
| 07:19:31 | sayocean | could you please send me foobar v 8 ? |
| 07:19:50 | Angel_of_Death | Why dont you just download it? |
| 07:20:05 | sayocean | ah FUCK |
| 07:20:07 | Angel_of_Death | oh now that i look, i have foobar 2000 |
| 07:20:10 | sayocean | Rockbox error -1 |
| 07:20:12 | sayocean | what does that meaN? |
| 07:20:17 | Angel_of_Death | no idea |
| 07:20:22 | sayocean | right underneath it reads "loading original firmware" |
| 07:20:44 | Angel_of_Death | mhmm, when u were booting into rockbox on the iPod did you hold down menu? |
| 07:20:58 | essoe | sayocean- I had that error yesterday.. turns out I put the .rockbox dir on the wrong partition |
| 07:21:00 | sayocean | nope..i just finished reinstalled rockbox |
| 07:21:09 | sayocean | or rather, installing the bootloader |
| 07:21:31 | sayocean | actually |
| 07:21:32 | sayocean | nevermind |
| 07:21:46 | sayocean | i didnt install the actual rockbox yet |
| 07:21:52 | Galois | if you install the bootloader without installing rockbox then you're supposed to get an error, and then it's supposed to boot the original firmware |
| 07:21:53 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 07:22:21 | sayocean | heh |
| 07:22:23 | sayocean | angel |
| 07:22:26 | Angel_of_Death | yeah? |
| 07:22:33 | sayocean | foobar2000 v 8 isnt available anymroe :( |
| 07:22:42 | sayocean | its v9 now, and that version doesnt work with foo_pod |
| 07:22:48 | Angel_of_Death | well mine does |
| 07:22:54 | sayocean | was wondering if anyone had v 8 that they wouldnt mind dccing to me |
| 07:22:55 | sayocean | ... |
| 07:23:01 | Angel_of_Death | hmm |
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| 07:23:36 | Angel_of_Death | well i tried it with foo_pod and i rebuilt the DB just like it said, but when i tried playing a song with Apple firmware it just skipped thru the songs. |
| 07:25:08 | RoC_MM | It would show track names for a split second, but just go to the next one and not play any of them Angel_of_Death ? |
| 07:25:25 | Angel_of_Death | yer |
| 07:25:48 | RoC_MM | I had that happen with a friend of mine....I think the iPod DB is dumb and can't process file's longer than 8 characters. |
| 07:25:57 | RoC_MM | So your mp3s wouldn't play I think. |
| 07:26:06 | RoC_MM | unless they were axgq.mp3 |
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| 07:26:20 | Angel_of_Death | well doesn't matter much to me, i wouldn't use apple firmware again anyways |
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| 07:28:46 | sayocean | WTF |
| 07:28:49 | sayocean | now when it loads |
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| 07:29:07 | sayocean | and the Rockbox logo comes up, underneath it, it reads "failure to load playlist blah blah" |
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| 07:30:24 | Angel_of_Death | has any1 got DOOM to work? |
| 07:30:33 | Angel_of_Death | i just tried and when i open it nothing happens.... lol |
| 07:30:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you running the Doom plugin, or are you just clicking on the .wad file and expecting something to happen? |
| 07:31:25 | Angel_of_Death | hold on |
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| 07:33:47 | Angel_of_Death | they are both .wad files |
| 07:34:54 | Angel_of_Death | so i suppose im clicking on the .wad file and expecting something to happen |
| 07:35:02 | sayocean | no way to make the font size bigger huh |
| 07:35:14 | Angel_of_Death | no there is |
| 07:35:18 | sayocean | so no one has foobar v8 they can send? |
| 07:35:57 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, i have a foobar that works with foo pod, but i dont have the installer, i cant just send the folder with everything already installed, wont work |
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| 07:36:32 | Galois | I searched google and found multiple sites that let you download foobar 0.8.3 |
| 07:36:40 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
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| 07:36:53 | Angel_of_Death | Paul_The_Nerd, thats the page im looking at |
| 07:37:10 | sayocean | damn |
| 07:37:21 | sayocean | im 10 secs removed from uninstalling rockbox again |
| 07:37:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: You simply run doom from the browse plugins menu... |
| 07:37:54 | Angel_of_Death | do you need a recent CVS build? |
| 07:38:44 | sayocean | the pausing is driving me mad |
| 07:38:50 | sayocean | reminds me of a shitty philips mp3 player i used to have |
| 07:38:56 | Galois | sayocean: did you change the theme? |
| 07:39:12 | FlyingSaucrDude | This may be a stupid question, but...does anybody in here know how to make Rockbox (for the iriver) not immediately jump to the next track whenever I insert or queue something into the current playlist? |
| 07:39:12 | sayocean | yeh |
| 07:39:17 | sayocean | im using danicing duo |
| 07:39:23 | sayocean | galois, what would u recommend? |
| 07:39:38 | sayocean | if i can get the rockbox to play mp3s without pausing, i would be the happiest guy |
| 07:39:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: fairly recent, I suppose. |
| 07:39:41 | sayocean | such promise |
| 07:39:50 | sayocean | but too buggy for my taste |
| 07:39:50 | Galois | sayocean hold on I'm building right now |
| 07:39:53 | Angel_of_Death | mines from march 3rd, im downloading a new build now |
| 07:40:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | FlyingSaucrDude: Upgrade to the newest bleeding edge. It's a bug |
| 07:40:31 | sayocean | and the "stock" wps files that came with the zip file are all out of proportion and looks un-aligned with the ipod screen dimensions :( |
| 07:40:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Well, try using a non-animated WPS |
| 07:40:45 | FlyingSaucrDude | I'll give it a shot −− thanks! |
| 07:41:18 | Angel_of_Death | yes all the stock wps files are out of proportion, they are for the color and 4g |
| 07:41:52 | Angel_of_Death | i can send u my wps if u want.... its fairly nice and album art will work if the art is 100x100 |
| 07:42:37 | Galois | sayocean ipodvol works for me |
| 07:42:40 | sayocean | yeh i just changed to that |
| 07:42:41 | essoe | how do you bookmark the currently playing track? |
| 07:42:43 | sayocean | but now it just froze on me |
| 07:42:49 | sayocean | damn |
| 07:43:01 | Galois | or boxes |
| 07:43:11 | sayocean | you guys with the ipods, does it freeze up a lot? |
| 07:43:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Are you using the bleeding edge? |
| 07:43:28 | sayocean | rockbox-ipodvideo-20060409 |
| 07:43:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't normally freeze a lot, but there have been some recent bugs that have just been ironed out in the last day or two. |
| 07:43:31 | sayocean | im using that one |
| 07:43:38 | sayocean | rockbox-ipodvideo-20060409 |
| 07:43:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Well, that's not a bleeding edge. |
| 07:43:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Let alone THE bleeding edge. |
| 07:44:00 | FlyingSaucrDude | How does one get THE bleeding edge? |
| 07:44:00 | Angel_of_Death | my iPod doesnt freeze...ever |
| 07:44:10 | sayocean | damn |
| 07:44:11 | Angel_of_Death | used to with apple firmware tho.... |
| 07:44:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Click the "CVS Build" link on the page. |
| 07:44:21 | sayocean | appple firmware never froze on me |
| 07:44:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apple firmware skipped on VBR MP3s for me, where Rockbox doesn't |
| 07:44:46 | Galois | I can get as far as the doom intro screen but after that it "Data abort"s |
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| 07:45:00 | Angel_of_Death | apple firmware changed the volume constantly with VBR files |
| 07:45:01 | sayocean | paul |
| 07:45:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: how new of a version of Rockbox are you running? |
| 07:45:02 | sayocean | im there |
| 07:45:04 | FlyingSaucrDude | Gotcha...didn't realize it had to be still-gushing-blood-bleeding −− thanks again! |
| 07:45:07 | sayocean | now what? |
| 07:45:18 | Galois | I built rockbox 5 minutes ago |
| 07:45:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: See the section labelled "Bleeding Edge Builds?" Look for your player there... |
| 07:45:47 | sayocean | got it |
| 07:45:48 | sayocean | thanks |
| 07:45:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: Odd. Are you playing just a retail, or with an add-on? |
| 07:46:03 | Galois | I just reset and ran it again, and now doom works |
| 07:46:10 | Galois | shareware version |
| 07:46:21 | Angel_of_Death | i'm in doom and i just hit PLAY GAME and its playing for me lol? what? |
| 07:46:24 | sayocean | so frustrating |
| 07:46:25 | Angel_of_Death | i cant actually play |
| 07:46:30 | Angel_of_Death | computer is playing |
| 07:46:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, if you take too long to start it goes into a demo |
| 07:46:55 | sayocean | paul |
| 07:47:03 | sayocean | do i just replace the .rockbox and rockbox.ipod file |
| 07:47:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 07:47:09 | sayocean | in the ipod root directory? |
| 07:47:18 | sayocean | easy as 1 - 2- 3 correct? |
| 07:47:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Easy as 1 2 3 |
| 07:47:42 | Galois | but I think ipod doom is silly, so I don't really care if it works or not |
| 07:47:44 | sayocean | heh |
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| 07:47:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: iRiver H120 doom is sillier. |
| 07:48:39 | sayocean | i really hope the bleeding edge works ok for me :( |
| 07:48:55 | Angel_of_Death | pfft!! i do! |
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| 07:49:29 | Angel_of_Death | why isn't there sound? |
| 07:49:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | There should be some sound effects. |
| 07:49:52 | Angel_of_Death | it seems pretty silent |
| 07:49:57 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
| 07:50:03 | Angel_of_Death | is sound something i gotta turn on? |
| 07:50:11 | FlyingSaucrDude | Paul: The bleeding edge didn't seem to do it (it still immediately skips to the next track in the playlist whenever I insert or queue a track)...since you seem to be pretty knowledgeable, do you know if this is a known bug? |
| 07:50:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | FlyingSaucrDude: Definitely a known bug. Let me verify whether it's still happening |
| 07:50:38 | Angel_of_Death | how do i exit doom? without rebooting the iPod? |
| 07:50:56 | FlyingSaucrDude | Paul: k, I'll be here. Thanks again for your help! |
| 07:51:12 | FlyingSaucrDude | Paul: (And let me know if you need anymore info on my system, etc.) |
| 07:53:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | FlyingSaucrDude: Are you 100% sure you got a bleeding edge, and not a daily (it should be named just rockbox.zip, no date) |
| 07:53:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that you copied both the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder to your player. |
| 07:53:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just double checked, and the bug is cleared up in the newest builds |
| 07:53:43 | sayocean | UGHHh |
| 07:53:46 | sayocean | its actually worse now |
| 07:53:49 | sayocean | with the bleeding edge |
| 07:53:58 | sayocean | its pausing every 3-5 seconds it seems |
| 07:54:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | What bitrate are your MP3s? |
| 07:54:34 | sayocean | VBR |
| 07:54:40 | sayocean | im using iAMP as wps |
| 07:54:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, but what does rockbox say they're approximating to? |
| 07:54:46 | Angel_of_Death | i use OGG |
| 07:55:05 | FlyingSaucrDude | Paul_The_Nerd: OK, I'm a retard...you're right. I didn't realize that I had to power cycle the unit −− I figured that it would reload everything after I unplugged the USB connection. |
| 07:55:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | VBR can mean anything from "16-32kbps" to "256-320kbps" |
| 07:55:14 | sayocean | 226 kbps vbr |
| 07:55:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | FlyingSaucrDude: No worries. :) |
| 07:55:22 | Galois | did you turn off the eq and crossfade? |
| 07:55:24 | sayocean | paul, by they way, i appreciate your help |
| 07:55:25 | sayocean | yes |
| 07:55:58 | sayocean | you too galois and anyone else i misse d:) |
| 07:55:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: 226kbps is possibly pushing the limit on the iPod Video at the moment until further optimizations are done. I know the Video has to struggle a little harder than the other iPods. |
| 07:56:06 | sayocean | actually galois, i just turned crossfade off |
| 07:56:47 | sayocean | paul do you have ur video with you right now? |
| 07:56:52 | sayocean | can you do me a favor and try something? |
| 07:56:59 | sayocean | with music playing, go to "info" |
| 07:57:08 | sayocean | and see if it "pauses" for you as well as the credits roll |
| 07:57:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: I don't have a video, but pausing then is not unexpected at all. I have a Nano. |
| 07:57:30 | Galois | preglow was going to commit some libmad improvements today, they may help with mp3 |
| 07:57:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: At any point where you stress the processor more, pausing becomes more likely |
| 07:57:56 | sayocean | i see isee |
| 07:58:15 | sayocean | does ur nano freeze often and do you have to hard reset it each time? |
| 07:58:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 07:58:31 | essoe | hey how do you make bookmarks? |
| 07:58:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're having to hard reset, you're not using the newest bleeding edge. |
| 07:58:53 | Galois | essoe: press and hold select, scroll down to bookmarks, create bookmark |
| 07:59:01 | sayocean | UGH |
| 07:59:04 | sayocean | froze again |
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| 07:59:09 | sayocean | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
| 07:59:13 | sayocean | this is what im using |
| 07:59:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Try deleting rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder before copying the new ones over. |
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| 08:00:02 | sayocean | good idea |
| 08:00:04 | sayocean | i'll try that now |
| 08:00:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | And make sure that you're extracting the rockbox.zip and using the ones from that, rather than accidentally using the ones from the old .zip somehow. I've seen that happen a few times. |
| 08:00:44 | sayocean | paul, do you think video playback will be implemented some time in the future? |
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| 08:00:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Some time, yes. Soon, no. |
| 08:01:23 | sayocean | hopefully we'll be able to playback .avi and other formats etc |
| 08:01:29 | Galois | for me the whole point of rockbox is to break free of the limitations of mp3, so I find the mp3 complaints somewhat ironic |
| 08:01:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox's focus is improved audio playback features, so unless someone from outside comes an implements it, it's probably going to be quite a while before a core dev focuses on it, if ever. As well, for good video playback on the 5G, there's still hardware that needs to be reverse engineered. |
| 08:02:03 | sayocean | i have a feeling my ipod is just retarded |
| 08:02:06 | Angel_of_Death | has any1 actually played doom on there ipod? |
| 08:02:08 | sayocean | and rockbox will never work good on it |
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| 08:02:15 | sayocean | angel |
| 08:02:15 | Galois | Angel_of_Death I just did a few minutes ago |
| 08:02:20 | sayocean | you've seen that video right? |
| 08:02:24 | sayocean | of some guy playing doom ? |
| 08:02:27 | Angel_of_Death | how do u save? |
| 08:02:37 | Angel_of_Death | or exit the game without rebooting? |
| 08:02:40 | Galois | uh, hit ESC (hold switch) ? |
| 08:03:04 | Angel_of_Death | w00t |
| 08:03:05 | Angel_of_Death | thanks |
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| 08:04:12 | Angel_of_Death | can u save? |
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| 08:04:20 | Galois | I didn't try |
| 08:04:22 | Bg3r | morning :) |
| 08:04:34 | Angel_of_Death | did u scroll in the main menu when u hit hold switch? |
| 08:04:49 | sayocean | galois, can u send me a .wps that works well with the video ? |
| 08:04:56 | Galois | you have to unset the hold switch, and then you can navigate the menu with the MENU button |
| 08:04:58 | Angel_of_Death | i can |
| 08:05:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mornin' Bg3r |
| 08:05:05 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, i can |
| 08:05:08 | sayocean | cool |
| 08:05:09 | sayocean | thanks |
| 08:05:16 | Angel_of_Death | oh thanks gal |
| 08:06:29 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, you want me to send u a good wps? |
| 08:06:30 | sayocean | error accessing playlist file control... |
| 08:06:36 | sayocean | thast what it says .. |
| 08:06:37 | sayocean | sure |
| 08:06:45 | Angel_of_Death | alright lemme find it |
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| 08:06:57 | dpassen1 | sayocean: are you a saosin fan? |
| 08:07:23 | sayocean | yes sir |
| 08:07:30 | dpassen1 | cool |
| 08:07:34 | sayocean | i have a feeling the bleeding edge didnt help me out at all :\ |
| 08:07:35 | sayocean | u? |
| 08:07:50 | dpassen1 | Yeah |
| 08:08:13 | sayocean | nice |
| 08:08:17 | sayocean | dammit |
| 08:08:22 | sayocean | (sorry) |
| 08:09:19 | amiconn | good morning |
| 08:10:23 | amiconn | lostlogic: As you asked last night - no, I don't think pause should be handled off-queue. Afaiu it would introduce more possible race conditions |
| 08:10:26 | sayocean | so who all in here just ignores the bugs (pausing tracks, freezing up) and enjoys the rockbox |
| 08:10:40 | Angel_of_Death | i dont have any |
| 08:10:51 | Angel_of_Death | si i enjoy |
| 08:11:07 | Angel_of_Death | so i enjoy it* |
| 08:11:20 | sayocean | im just gonna reload apple firmware |
| 08:11:21 | Galois | the only time it's frozen on me in the last few days was while playing doom |
| 08:11:30 | sayocean | this is way too much hassle |
| 08:11:34 | amiconn | Furthermore, I think that low-level pcm should never be paused for extended amounts of time |
| 08:11:36 | Angel_of_Death | thats what i thought at first |
| 08:11:41 | Angel_of_Death | now im glad i didn't go back |
| 08:11:50 | sayocean | hopefully there will be a stable release sometime soon |
| 08:11:55 | Galois | oh and there were a few freezes during lostlogic's rework of the playback code |
| 08:11:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Most of us don't get those bugs. |
| 08:12:04 | sayocean | its a hassle in the fact (for me) that it freezes and it pauses during songs |
| 08:12:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: The fact that yours is freezing on a build that doesn't freeze anyone else's ipod suggests there's something else at play here. |
| 08:12:20 | sayocean | yeh |
| 08:12:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Something specific to either your files or your ipod |
| 08:12:47 | sayocean | i read from a forum that it might be due to the fact that my ipod is almost "maxed out" |
| 08:12:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
| 08:13:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It has nothing to do with the space free you have |
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| 08:13:30 | sayocean | errrrg |
| 08:13:56 | sayocean | maybe ill just buy an external HD, backup my songs there and format my ipod |
| 08:13:58 | sayocean | and try it again |
| 08:14:07 | sayocean | cause i do LOVE the possibitlies |
| 08:14:12 | sayocean | that rockbox brings to the table |
| 08:14:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Reformatting shouldn't do anything. |
| 08:14:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it could, but it shouldn't |
| 08:15:02 | sayocean | so pretty much uninstall and enjoy apple firmware :\ |
| 08:15:07 | sayocean | or get the nano |
| 08:15:25 | Angel_of_Death | lol say, ur doing SOMETHING wrong |
| 08:15:33 | sayocean | heh |
| 08:15:42 | Angel_of_Death | just go over it again |
| 08:15:46 | Angel_of_Death | and redo all the steps |
| 08:15:49 | Angel_of_Death | follow it to the letter |
| 08:15:56 | sayocean | installing the bootloader etc? |
| 08:16:19 | Angel_of_Death | use an older build to |
| 08:16:40 | sayocean | damn |
| 08:16:42 | Angel_of_Death | the build i had earlier today was from march 19th and i know it works |
| 08:16:47 | sayocean | i so want it to work on mine too |
| 08:16:53 | sayocean | u have video ipod? |
| 08:16:55 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
| 08:17:02 | Angel_of_Death | just got doom working on it =) |
| 08:17:15 | sayocean | ok |
| 08:17:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: the bleeding edge build DOES work on iPods. There's something funny going on in his case, but I don't have a clue what. |
| 08:17:42 | sayocean | so if i want to revert to the march 19th build, i would just delete the rockbox folder and rockbox file and replace with the 3-19 ones correct? |
| 08:17:57 | Angel_of_Death | sounds right |
| 08:18:08 | sayocean | iamp wps is so pimp lol |
| 08:18:13 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 08:18:39 | Angel_of_Death | if u get it working i will send you the WPS i use... its the best one ive seen that fits the screen properly so far |
| 08:19:31 | Galois | I still get some playscreen bugs with the current CVS |
| 08:19:32 | Angel_of_Death | any1 know of any other sweet pointless games for the 5g? |
| 08:19:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Galois: What specifically? |
| 08:19:49 | Galois | sometimes it will change tracks but the play screen still displays the previous track's title, artist etc. |
| 08:19:59 | sayocean | Galois! |
| 08:20:01 | sayocean | i just noticed that |
| 08:20:03 | Galois | this didn't happen before |
| 08:20:23 | sayocean | or its not even the right track title etc |
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| 08:21:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's possible |
| 08:21:36 | sayocean | ok |
| 08:21:38 | sayocean | this is the last try |
| 08:21:43 | sayocean | crossing fingers |
| 08:21:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Unfortunately, you caught Rockbox at a rather bad time to be a new user. Some very major things are being reworked which as you've noticed has caused some problems, though it's odd that you're getting extra ones that nobody else has. |
| 08:22:25 | Angel_of_Death | just try the build from 3.19.06 |
| 08:22:39 | sayocean | what are extra ones? |
| 08:22:46 | sayocean | the bugs i notice thus far for me include: |
| 08:22:49 | Angel_of_Death | oh by the way... make sure ur gettin rockbox for the right kinda iPod :P |
| 08:22:59 | sayocean | pauses during songs (sometimes, not too frequent. but it happens) |
| 08:23:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: The fact that you get freezes that require a hard reset. |
| 08:23:03 | sayocean | lol angel |
| 08:23:25 | sayocean | since wed when i first tried rockbox, i think ihad to hard reset (menu + center button) |
| 08:23:29 | sayocean | 4-5 times |
| 08:23:38 | Angel_of_Death | well if ur downloading it for a color its not gonna work! |
| 08:23:38 | sayocean | 2 times tonite (span of 1 hour) |
| 08:23:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | I thought you said you were getting freezes regularly. |
| 08:23:49 | sayocean | hah angel, im getting video, im sure of it |
| 08:24:04 | sayocean | well 2 times in 1 hour, thtas still not regular.. or is ti? |
| 08:24:04 | sayocean | it |
| 08:24:07 | Angel_of_Death | ive menu+ center button 3 times tonight just to get outa doom :P lol |
| 08:24:27 | sayocean | another bug = when i press "NEXT" song, it will play the next song for 1 sec, pause, then play that song from beginning again |
| 08:24:37 | Angel_of_Death | hahahaha |
| 08:25:06 | Angel_of_Death | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060319.zip |
| 08:25:06 | sayocean | another bug = crossfade not working |
| 08:25:09 | sayocean | but thats aboutit |
| 08:25:12 | sayocean | angel got it :) |
| 08:25:15 | Angel_of_Death | mk |
| 08:25:17 | sayocean | rockbox-ipodvideo-20060319.zip |
| 08:25:19 | sayocean | thanks though |
| 08:25:23 | Galois | sayocean the 20060406 build doesn't have the "NEXT" song bug |
| 08:25:25 | Angel_of_Death | maybe u dont know how to turn on crossfade =)? |
| 08:25:27 | Galois | everything after that does |
| 08:25:31 | sayocean | i do :\ |
| 08:25:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: The second or so of the next song thing relates to how the buffering is done. |
| 08:25:44 | sayocean | galois, u know what im talking about though right? the "next song" bug |
| 08:25:50 | Galois | yes I get that bug too |
| 08:26:13 | sayocean | so reverting to March 19 build wont help much huh |
| 08:26:24 | Galois | 20060406 works really well for me |
| 08:26:26 | sayocean | but i'll give it a shot either way |
| 08:26:29 | Angel_of_Death | well i certainly would try it before giving up |
| 08:26:41 | Galois | right now lostlogic is re-engineering the buffering and playback code. He promises that the result will be an improvement :) |
| 08:27:01 | sayocean | angel, wanna send over the wps ? |
| 08:27:05 | sayocean | iAmp looks VERY nice |
| 08:27:10 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 08:27:18 | Angel_of_Death | it just looks like another computer winamp look alike |
| 08:27:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: If all the other bugs weren't there but the NEXT one, would that still send you back to Apple? Because if a minor thing like that is enough to have you leave, you should probably vamoos until it's "released." |
| 08:27:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: It *is* still under development for iPod, remember. |
| 08:29:09 | Angel_of_Death | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/Nudel_Green_5G_1_1.zip |
| 08:29:47 | Angel_of_Death | (when u use it use the one without album art because it wont work unless the art is 100x100 it will just waste batery but displaying a green box there) |
| 08:30:36 | sayocean | paul thats true |
| 08:30:45 | sayocean | but my apple firmware is pretty nice too :) |
| 08:31:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | The apple firmware essentially cripples the player... |
| 08:31:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's so much that it cannot do simply because Apple said "Our device shall not do this." |
| 08:31:41 | Angel_of_Death | yeah, umm.... thats ur ignorance talking :P |
| 08:31:44 | Galois | I bought the ipod nano specifically to run rockbox |
| 08:32:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: Was that directed at me? |
| 08:32:02 | Galois | never used the apple firmware, except for testing |
| 08:32:08 | Angel_of_Death | no lol |
| 08:32:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, good. |
| 08:33:36 | Angel_of_Death | why apple made there products firmware so...limited.. i dont know |
| 08:33:37 | sayocean | ok here goes |
| 08:33:47 | sayocean | lets see if mar 19 is the winner |
| 08:33:58 | Angel_of_Death | worked for me *wink* |
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| 08:35:26 | sayocean | so far so good... |
| 08:35:38 | sayocean | angel, is mar 19 what ur running on right now? |
| 08:35:42 | sayocean | ah fuck it |
| 08:35:44 | Angel_of_Death | nope lol |
| 08:35:48 | sayocean | going back to apple lol |
| 08:35:50 | Angel_of_Death | just changed it about 30minutes ago |
| 08:35:58 | Angel_of_Death | but i was running it since it came out |
| 08:36:01 | Angel_of_Death | with no problems might i add |
| 08:36:14 | sayocean | dammmmn |
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| 08:37:38 | Angel_of_Death | well i do admit at first i didnt much like it, and my brother installed it for me so i had no problems on that end.....but after about an hour u will never go back to the original firmware |
| 08:38:02 | Angel_of_Death | i mean... backgrounds, fonts, themes, crossfades... games... goes on and on |
| 08:38:17 | Angel_of_Death | u can zoom in while viewing pictures lol |
| 08:38:22 | JdGordon | Angel_of_Death: an hour?? i havnt been back in origional firmware (iriver) since installing 5 months ago :) |
| 08:38:49 | Angel_of_Death | no i was saying i was using that build untill an hour ago, then i got a more recent build |
| 08:39:00 | Angel_of_Death | i havent been into apple firm since the night i got rockbox tho |
| 08:39:05 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has had Rockbox on his H120 since some unknown time in the past, and on his Nano since about a month or so before sound was enabled on iPods. |
| 08:39:32 | sayocean | i hate my ipod now lol |
| 08:39:40 | sayocean | why cant it make peace with rockbox! |
| 08:39:42 | sayocean | dammit |
| 08:39:48 | sayocean | now he has to deal with apple firmware |
| 08:39:55 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 08:39:59 | Angel_of_Death | what time is it there |
| 08:40:05 | * | JdGordon 's dvd player is making scray noises while trying to burn :'( |
| 08:40:08 | sayocean | 1:40 |
| 08:40:10 | sayocean | i should be in bed |
| 08:40:13 | Angel_of_Death | lol go to bed |
| 08:40:18 | sayocean | ok fuck it |
| 08:40:24 | sayocean | im just gonna reinstall bleeding edge |
| 08:40:26 | Angel_of_Death | try again in the morn when ur not anxious lol |
| 08:40:29 | sayocean | and reset and load up apple |
| 08:40:33 | sayocean | and just leave it at that |
| 08:40:48 | sayocean | paul |
| 08:41:16 | sayocean | do you think having sharepod (software) in the root directory of the ipod (same root as rockbox files) making it worse? |
| 08:41:23 | RoC_MM | no |
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| 08:41:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: There's no reason for it to. |
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| 08:41:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Is the problem you're encountering freezing, or just skipping in music? |
| 08:42:14 | Angel_of_Death | RoC_MM, PREVIOUSLY ON....SURVIVOR! |
| 08:42:17 | RoC_MM | haha |
| 08:42:50 | sayocean | paul, freezing happens sometimes |
| 08:42:59 | Angel_of_Death | alright sayocean, goodluck i hope u end with something other than that horrid default firmware..... better luck tomorrow eh? well its almost 3am here so g'night! |
| 08:43:00 | sayocean | when i press down on Play/Pause button to shutdown the ipod |
| 08:43:28 | sayocean | skipping is the wrong term. the song only "skips" when i press "next" track and it will skip for 1 sec and resume playing from the beginning |
| 08:43:45 | sayocean | what annoys me is when a song pauses for a second. which happens every 10 songs or so |
| 08:43:50 | sayocean | thanks angel |
| 08:43:51 | sayocean | g/nite |
| 08:44:38 | Angel_of_Death | aigh |
| 08:44:41 | Angel_of_Death | aight* |
| 08:44:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Well, part of that is the fact that you have needlessly high bitrate MP3s, and rockbox isn't yet optimized with libmad enough to handle them well, especially on the 5G |
| 08:44:45 | RoC_MM | nite |
| 08:44:57 | sayocean | gotcha |
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| 08:45:12 | Angel_of_Death | whats the quality on them? |
| 08:45:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | He said they were VBR averaging at 225ish? |
| 08:45:33 | Angel_of_Death | oofff |
| 08:45:47 | Angel_of_Death | i use 160 when using mp3s, but i try to stick with ogg vorbis |
| 08:45:49 | sayocean | such a superior wps compared to apple.. |
| 08:46:09 | JdGordon | sayocean: u can get a boring 1 also if u wanted... |
| 08:46:10 | Angel_of_Death | its lostless like a wave file but 1/3 smaller then a mp3 |
| 08:46:28 | Angel_of_Death | mmm donut |
| 08:46:46 | sayocean | jdgordon, if its not gonna pause on my songs or freez me ill def take a look :) |
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| 08:48:14 | Angel_of_Death | sayocean, you have no problem installing rockbox correct? |
| 08:48:29 | Angel_of_Death | ur only problems are the *bugs* and such |
| 08:50:31 | Angel_of_Death | ....? |
| 08:51:39 | sayocean | angel |
| 08:51:40 | sayocean | sorry |
| 08:51:43 | sayocean | yeh i had no problem |
| 08:51:44 | sayocean | it works |
| 08:51:47 | Angel_of_Death | well, time for me to really go to bed now.... heres what i recomend.. delete all rockbox related files on ur iPod. install the 3.19.06 build.... any other problems, and ur on ur own lol |
| 08:51:47 | sayocean | but with bugs |
| 08:52:00 | sayocean | heh |
| 08:52:07 | Angel_of_Death | that build has no probs |
| 08:52:08 | sayocean | im actually installling the bleeding edge right now |
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| 08:52:13 | Angel_of_Death | bleeding edge? |
| 08:52:16 | sayocean | it had bugs on my ipod :\ |
| 08:52:19 | sayocean | so i deleted mar 19 |
| 08:52:22 | sayocean | and just put bleed edge right now |
| 08:52:24 | Angel_of_Death | oh really? |
| 08:52:33 | sayocean | yeh |
| 08:52:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | See, there's clearly something funny going on then. |
| 08:52:35 | sayocean | but im really anal |
| 08:52:39 | sayocean | and paranoid |
| 08:52:42 | sayocean | so every single pause |
| 08:52:44 | sayocean | every dirty look |
| 08:52:46 | sayocean | i call it a bug |
| 08:52:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | But your definition of problems is those pauses |
| 08:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | A bug is a programming error though. |
| 08:53:02 | sayocean | oh ok. |
| 08:53:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | A buffer underrun is not a programming error. |
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| 08:53:12 | sayocean | but i mean is it everyone else thats getting the pauses? |
| 08:53:20 | sayocean | or is my problem something only a few people have? |
| 08:53:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | And adjusting your anti skip buffer *might* even help |
| 08:53:29 | Angel_of_Death | its not rockbox's fault at this point then |
| 08:53:38 | Angel_of_Death | theres something *wrong* with ur ipod, a virus or something |
| 08:53:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | saycoean: Everyone has those pauses if the bitrates on their files are too high |
| 08:54:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Angel_of_Death: No, most of his "problems" are simply the fact that the codecs aren't optimized yet. |
| 08:54:16 | sayocean | paul what do you suggest i adjust the anti skip buffer to? |
| 08:54:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | sayocean: Experiment and see if it helps at all. It probably won't, but it might. It kinda depends on whether your underruns occur during rebuffering or at some other point. |
| 08:55:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it happens once every 10-15 minutes, it could very well be happening on rebuffers. |
| 08:55:19 | Angel_of_Death | say ocean another thing i might do, tho might be pointless, is to right click to to properties> tools> and error check it > check the top box in there but not the search bad sectors one |
| 08:56:18 | Angel_of_Death | i know it's helped me in the past, nothing quite like this hto |
| 08:56:20 | Angel_of_Death | anyways |
| 08:56:26 | Angel_of_Death | goodnight! gah i need to go now lol |
| 08:56:41 | Angel_of_Death | best of luck to u |
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| 08:56:55 | sayocean | thanks |
| 08:57:01 | sayocean | ok im gonna keep the bleeding edge |
| 08:58:52 | sayocean | how do i get out of viewing a picutre? |
| 08:59:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Menu+Select |
| 08:59:42 | sayocean | thank you |
| 09:00 |
| 09:02:36 | sayocean | one more question for you all |
| 09:02:46 | sayocean | from WPS, when i press Select button |
| 09:02:54 | sayocean | it takes me to the file tree.. now how do i get back to WPS |
| 09:02:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Play |
| 09:03:04 | sayocean | lol |
| 09:03:05 | sayocean | duh |
| 09:03:08 | sayocean | <−−noob |
| 09:03:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'sokay |
| 09:03:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | But this may be helpful: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ |
| 09:03:58 | sayocean | for tagcache, should i have keep on disk or RAM? |
| 09:06:14 | sayocean | anyone? |
| 09:06:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ram is better for your battery life if you browse a lot |
| 09:07:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Disk is ever so slightly better if you never ever ever browse. |
| 09:07:36 | JdGordon | or dont use it.. i.e use the directory borwer instead... |
| 09:08:04 | sayocean | whats that gordon? |
| 09:08:12 | JdGordon | whats what? |
| 09:08:19 | sayocean | directory borwer |
| 09:08:22 | sayocean | browser |
| 09:09:10 | JdGordon | in the file browser.. if you see the id3 info your using the tagcache. any other listing and your using the directory borwser |
| 09:09:44 | sayocean | ah |
| 09:10:20 | * | JdGordon doesnt use the tag browser so i keep it on the hdd to save more room for the buffer |
| 09:10:43 | sayocean | so paul |
| 09:10:50 | sayocean | eventually, the codec will be optimized |
| 09:10:59 | sayocean | and "pausing" and "skipping" shouldn't be an issue correct? |
| 09:12:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 09:13:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iPod port is still in a fairly early stage |
| 09:13:17 | sayocean | so i really shouldnt be complainig |
| 09:14:10 | Galois | have you tried one or two test files at lower bitrate just to see if the problem really is cpu overloading? |
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| 09:14:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, actual bug reports are *always* welcome |
| 09:14:40 | sayocean | galois, the pause problem, it doesnt happen with all VBR songs |
| 09:14:47 | sayocean | it will happen occasionally |
| 09:14:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the buffer issue is more a symptom of the fact that people are still concentrating on getting all the hardware working right. |
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| 09:16:48 | preglow | Galois: i was? |
| 09:17:23 | Galois | I thought you were |
| 09:17:43 | preglow | well, this is something of a surprise to me :) |
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| 09:19:40 | BHSPitLappy | wow, woooooo! all green build table! |
| 09:19:47 | sayocean | g/nite folks |
| 09:19:49 | BHSPitLappy | a rare spectacle :P |
| 09:19:52 | JdGordon | booo! boring green build table! |
| 09:20:22 | BHSPitLappy | we should try for a smiley face sometimes :P |
| 09:20:30 | BHSPitLappy | s/sometimes/sometime/ |
| 09:20:43 | JdGordon | in the table? hahaa |
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| 09:22:08 | preglow | Galois: ah, i might, i see there's a patch in the tracker for libmad |
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| 09:28:27 | midkay | preglow, i saw that and asked lostlogic about it - he said he was waiting for you to commit it.. |
| 09:29:08 | midkay | i tried it on my 5G, seemed to speed it up a bit - actually to right around 100% realtime with EQ on. |
| 09:32:57 | amiconn | ahahahahahaha! |
| 09:33:09 | BHSPitLappy | so, tag cache isn't supposed to work on iPods at this point? |
| 09:33:11 | * | amiconn just found what causes most of the remote ticking on iriver |
| 09:33:33 | amiconn | It's not the data transfer itself, but just the chip select |
| 09:33:35 | petur | wow |
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| 09:34:08 | midkay | BHSPitLappy, it's been working for weeks.. |
| 09:34:18 | amiconn | So, keeping CS low all the time while the lcd is connected avoids all the noise, but still allows faaaast remote lcd updates |
| 09:34:35 | midkay | amiconn, haha, congrats! :) |
| 09:34:50 | Bagder | amiconn: nice work! |
| 09:34:59 | preglow | midkay: i'll have a look at it, just need to test it on ipod first |
| 09:35:14 | amiconn | No noise even at 124MHz, but 360fps on the remote! woohoo! |
| 09:35:22 | midkay | Bagder!!! *glares* |
| 09:35:29 | midkay | preglow, cool. |
| 09:35:45 | Bg3r | amiconn congrats!:) |
| 09:35:50 | amiconn | Now, we just need to find out whether this is true for all ticking remotes, or just for mine |
| 09:36:30 | amiconn | Bg3r: Do you have ticking remote(s)? |
| 09:37:11 | Bg3r | amiconn no, unfortunately |
| 09:37:22 | Bg3r | in fact fortunately :) |
| 09:37:42 | Bg3r | XavierGr has 3-4 ... |
| 09:38:28 | amiconn | Bg3r: You can perform a test with a slight modification to cvs: |
| 09:39:18 | Bg3r | yes ? |
| 09:39:19 | amiconn | Open lcd-h100-remote.c, |
| 09:39:24 | Bg3r | sec |
| 09:39:52 | amiconn | Comment out CS_HI; in the following places: |
| 09:40:54 | amiconn | line 146, 290, 328 |
| 09:41:35 | Bg3r | other places ? |
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| 09:42:13 | amiconn | Then find the beginning of remote_lcd_init(void) (line 398), and add the following: |
| 09:42:21 | amiconn | CLK_LO; |
| 09:42:21 | amiconn | CS_LO; |
| 09:42:51 | Bg3r | before all other ? |
| 09:42:53 | amiconn | yes |
| 09:43:12 | amiconn | Then boot that and first check whether the lcd updates correctly |
| 09:43:21 | amiconn | Then switch of ticking reduction... |
| 09:43:30 | Bg3r | ok, give me 5 minutes |
| 09:43:57 | amiconn | Wee, if that holds true for all ticking remotes..... |
| 09:44:35 | Bg3r | btw, my remote doesn't tick... |
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| 09:45:19 | petur | it will now :P |
| 09:45:38 | amiconn | Bg3r: huh? |
| 09:45:49 | Bg3r | 0:37AM <amiconn> Bg3r: Do you have ticking remote(s)? |
| 09:45:49 | Bg3r | <Bg3r> amiconn no, unfortunately |
| 09:45:53 | amiconn | AH, hmm, misunderstood |
| 09:46:04 | petur | hahaha |
| 09:46:15 | amiconn | So I'll have to wait for XavierGr |
| 09:46:44 | amiconn | (or Moos) |
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| 09:48:04 | Bg3r | amiconn i can make these changes as a patch and make a "call" @ MR |
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| 09:49:39 | Bg3r | less remote_ticking1.diff |
| 09:49:40 | Bg3r | haha |
| 09:50:25 | amiconn | Maybe that's a good idea. |
| 09:50:39 | Bg3r | or even make a h100 and h300 build :) |
| 09:50:59 | amiconn | Btw, this is an experimental modification. It keeps the remote lcd controller selected the whole time it is plugged in |
| 09:51:49 | amiconn | It's not harmful, but it draws a tiny bit more power, and the remote lcd might get confused after a while in case there are some glitchs |
| 09:52:29 | Bg3r | http://pastebin.com/650862 <= these are the correct changes, yep ? |
| 09:52:42 | amiconn | If this really is the cure to ticking, my final version will select & deselect the lcd controller as needed, but way less often than cvs does. It won't be noticeable |
| 09:53:03 | Bg3r | Bagder ? |
| 09:53:11 | amiconn | yep |
| 09:53:50 | Bg3r | of, where to put these builds |
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| 09:55:55 | petur | Bg3r: C++ style comments? |
| 09:56:01 | petur | tsk tsk tsk :P |
| 09:56:08 | Bg3r | petur yep :P |
| 09:58:20 | Bagder | Bg3r: you need some upload space? |
| 09:58:26 | Bg3r | yep |
| 09:58:49 | Bg3r | daniel.haxx.se/upload ? |
| 09:58:54 | Bg3r | uf :( |
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| 10:11:00 | Bg3r | amiconn so, these builds should cause less ticking ? |
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| 10:20:34 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 10:22:23 | Bg3r | hi, Jungti1234 |
| 10:22:29 | Jungti1234 | ok |
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| 10:36:49 | Bg3r | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40062 |
| 10:38:11 | Jungti1234 | what's that? |
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| 10:38:32 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 do you have ticking remote ? |
| 10:38:39 | Jungti1234 | 'ticking'? |
| 10:38:48 | Jungti1234 | LCD remote? not LCD? |
| 10:39:26 | Bg3r | uh ... |
| 10:39:47 | Bg3r | do you have an LCD remote ? |
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| 10:40:52 | Jungti1234 | I have a non LCD remote.. |
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| 10:42:43 | Bg3r | ah, k |
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| 10:49:34 | Jungti1234 | um? |
| 10:49:36 | Jungti1234 | Bg3r |
| 10:49:49 | Jungti1234 | ticking is LCD remote? |
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| 11:06:42 | Jungti1234 | Why can't see unicode in recording and equalizer? |
| 11:08:16 | petur | the recording screen uses a fixed font |
| 11:08:43 | petur | which probably isn't unicode (?) |
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| 11:11:59 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 11:12:08 | Jungti1234 | what is 'Internal'? |
| 11:12:09 | amiconn | Bg3r: The modified build should cause less ticking with 'ticking reduction' disabled than cvs does with 'ticking reduction' enabled |
| 11:12:55 | amiconn | For me, this modification *completely removes* ticking even with my ultra-optimised remote lcd update, which otherwise ticks like hell on my h300 |
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| 11:15:42 | Bg3r | amiconn okay, more quoting :) |
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| 11:16:54 | petur | Jungti1234: internal = inside |
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| 11:18:03 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 11:18:36 | Jungti1234 | I can't know to Rockbox to what meaning it was used. |
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| 11:18:46 | Bg3r | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40062 edited |
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| 11:18:57 | petur | Jungti1234: ? |
| 11:19:03 | Bg3r | can someone explain to Jungti1234 what does ticking mean ... |
| 11:19:39 | * | Bagder likes the PluginUsability page |
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| 11:19:57 | Jungti1234 | why it was used to Rockbox, and I don't know what the meaning is. |
| 11:20:32 | markun | Jungti1234: it can also mean 'built-in' |
| 11:21:20 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 11:21:55 | markun | Jungti1234: in which sentence is 'internal' used? |
| 11:22:15 | Jungti1234 | I don't kno.w |
| 11:22:17 | Jungti1234 | know |
| 11:22:17 | Jungti1234 | desc: in info menu; name for internal disk with multivolume (keep short!) |
| 11:23:48 | markun | "name for the disk inside the player with multiple partitions" ? |
| 11:23:52 | markun | I'm not sure |
| 11:24:04 | Jungti1234 | hm |
| 11:24:29 | Jungti1234 | Understand a little, but don't understand perfectly. |
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| 11:27:37 | Genre9mp3 | Guys!!!!!!!! |
| 11:27:53 | Genre9mp3 | I just saw the post about the ticking remotes |
| 11:27:53 | * | Bagder falls off his chair |
| 11:27:59 | Genre9mp3 | (in mistic river) |
| 11:28:23 | Genre9mp3 | I just tested the version with a H300 LCD Remote! |
| 11:28:24 | Bg3r | Bagder :)))) |
| 11:28:28 | Bg3r | Genre9mp3 and ? |
| 11:28:35 | Genre9mp3 | NO TICKING!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:28:37 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 11:28:44 | Bagder | yay \o/ |
| 11:28:58 | Genre9mp3 | With or without the reduce ticking option.... |
| 11:29:00 | * | preglow wonders why only the cs signal generates ticking... |
| 11:29:12 | Bg3r | Genre9mp3 h100/h300 ? |
| 11:29:23 | Genre9mp3 | h300 with h300 lcd remote |
| 11:29:44 | Genre9mp3 | I tested with rockbox default and with iAmp rwps |
| 11:30:00 | Genre9mp3 | I tested while scrolling in the file browser or the menus.... |
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| 11:30:11 | Bg3r | Genre9mp3 very good :) |
| 11:30:22 | Genre9mp3 | I had severe ticking before (especially when scrolling) |
| 11:30:33 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
| 11:30:33 | Genre9mp3 | Now, I can't hear anything!!!! |
| 11:30:44 | Jungti1234 | ticking is... |
| 11:30:45 | Genre9mp3 | Great work guys!!!! |
| 11:30:47 | Bagder | cool |
| 11:30:56 | Genre9mp3 | I 'm amazed.... |
| 11:31:05 | Bg3r | Genre9mp3 all beer goes to amiconn :P |
| 11:31:05 | Jungti1234 | Is it heard sound when use remote? |
| 11:31:06 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
| 11:31:20 | * | midkay glares piercingly at Bagder |
| 11:31:36 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 yep,when the remote screen is updated |
| 11:31:44 | Bg3r | this is only on some units |
| 11:31:45 | Genre9mp3 | Where can I send a dozen of beers to amiconn? :) |
| 11:32:01 | Jungti1234 | Bg3r: Is it bug? |
| 11:32:13 | muesli__ | i guess i will more pleased about some bytes ;) |
| 11:32:14 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 it's also present in the iriver fw |
| 11:32:14 | Genre9mp3 | And the LCD screen responses are OK |
| 11:32:33 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 so it's more likely a hardware "bug" |
| 11:33:14 | Jungti1234 | ah? |
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| 11:33:52 | Jungti1234 | Did it fix hardware bug as software in Rockbox? |
| 11:34:29 | Bg3r | Jungti1234 it seems that amiconn has found the reason and rockbox will workaround it ... |
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| 11:34:44 | Jungti1234 | :D |
| 11:34:47 | Jungti1234 | great |
| 11:35:07 | Genre9mp3 | Just a notice....with the build with the remote....sometimes, when music is played stop (from the main unit) doesn't work (while it works on the remote)... this is a playback issue though....right? |
| 11:35:27 | Jungti1234 | I'm late to understand... :) |
| 11:36:22 | Bg3r | hah ,.. Checksum: 4EE4 |
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| 11:37:30 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Check the 'first keypress enables backlight only' option. It might be enabled |
| 11:37:58 | Bagder | I get annoyed with that one enabled |
| 11:38:04 | amiconn | lostlogic: This odd 'tiny pause - play some more - stop' behaviour which occurs on stop on h300 also happens on skip back |
| 11:38:28 | Bg3r | Bagder a matter of habbit :) |
| 11:38:30 | amiconn | A further hint might be that I have dircache disabled (as always) |
| 11:38:32 | Genre9mp3 | Also....you know that the (at least for H300 LCD remotes) the buttons are not working as they expected (eg. >>/<< acts like +/- in the file browser) |
| 11:38:46 | Bg3r | Genre9mp3 yep |
| 11:38:49 | Bagder | Bg3r: of course, but its hard to learn when you find it annoying from the start and just disable it ;-) |
| 11:38:53 | Genre9mp3 | Ok.... |
| 11:38:56 | Bg3r | but this is a different thing |
| 11:39:22 | Genre9mp3 | yes I know that this is in other builds, too |
| 11:39:32 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: Btw, thanks for testing. If other responses are also positive, we can get rid of the reduce ticking option and still have no ticking |
| 11:39:49 | amiconn | ...and faster remote lcd updates |
| 11:40:04 | amiconn | -> less problems with playback when scrolling lists |
| 11:40:18 | Genre9mp3 | BTW...THANKS for finding the solution!!! :) |
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| 11:40:38 | Genre9mp3 | I am who is supposed to thanks...not you amiconn! |
| 11:40:57 | amiconn | -> and a remote grayscale lib becomes feasible |
| 11:41:31 | Slasheri | hehe, soon the tagcache engine will reach the playback engine size in lines of code.. |
| 11:41:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: bah :( |
| 11:42:13 | Slasheri | maybe time for some optimizations soon :) |
| 11:42:48 | amiconn | Slasheri: Btw, could you please test the tick-fixing modification? Iirc you do have a ticking remote... |
| 11:43:28 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, where is the modification? |
| 11:43:55 | Slasheri | or do you mean the one already present in the code? |
| 11:43:58 | amiconn | http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40062 |
| 11:44:12 | Slasheri | ah, i will check that later when i get home :) |
| 11:44:30 | Slasheri | (no remote here) |
| 11:44:32 | amiconn | (mr thread courtesy of Bg3r) |
| 11:45:47 | Slasheri | i am just significantly speeding up the playlist creation with tagcache |
| 11:45:47 | Genre9mp3 | BTW I'm replying to the thread right now (Yngwiejo)....just don't count me as a second person.. :) |
| 11:46:53 | amiconn | mkay |
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| 11:51:01 | PaulJ | does anyone else have the problem, that sometimes the currently playing song is shown in the wps as next song, and the wps shows the the previous song as the now playing? (i have some patches applied to the source, i'm not sure if this also happens with a cvs build) |
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| 11:53:26 | midkay | PaulJ, i've seen it reported in here like twice today, yeah.. |
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| 12:28:34 | iksark | hey all |
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| 12:28:42 | Jungti1234 | hi |
| 12:28:43 | JdGordon | hey ho! lets go |
| 12:28:57 | iksark | i was just wonidering if anyone could tell me why the ipod 3g project has been removed from the rockbox website? |
| 12:29:45 | midkay | in what way has it? |
| 12:30:00 | iksark | well its not listed any more |
| 12:30:01 | Bg3r | XavierGr ?? |
| 12:30:04 | Bg3r | here ? |
| 12:30:09 | midkay | listed.. where? |
| 12:30:20 | iksark | on www.rockbox.org |
| 12:30:29 | iksark | it cannot be downloaeded anymore |
| 12:30:39 | midkay | no point in downloading something that doesn't work.. |
| 12:30:40 | iksark | *downloaded |
| 12:30:43 | XavierGr | hello! |
| 12:30:44 | midkay | nor making it or providing links to it.. |
| 12:30:50 | iksark | yer but the project has gone |
| 12:30:52 | Bg3r | XavierGr private |
| 12:30:52 | Apostle^ | rockbox for ipod nano works great |
| 12:30:55 | midkay | it's still in development, it's not official or supported or working. |
| 12:31:01 | iksark | well i dont hav a nano |
| 12:31:06 | Apostle^ | just saying :-P |
| 12:31:13 | iksark | i know but they had it on their website for a while |
| 12:31:16 | midkay | iksark, no it hasn't. just because you can't see the daily builds of it doesn't mean all the work has been deleted and stuff. |
| 12:31:18 | iksark | and now its gone :( |
| 12:31:32 | midkay | it never worked, it doesn't work, we're not building it daily because there's no point until it actually runs. |
| 12:31:43 | iksark | it does run |
| 12:31:47 | iksark | it just doesnt fully work |
| 12:31:51 | midkay | last i checked it was nonfunctional.. |
| 12:32:09 | iksark | i can get ti to start on my ipod and look around it but i couldnt play anything thats all |
| 12:32:27 | iksark | and i was testing daily builds but i cant now :( |
| 12:32:42 | iksark | does anyone else know of any other way to make my ipod itunes free? |
| 12:33:00 | midkay | hmm. |
| 12:33:07 | iksark | i.e. use it as a normal mp3 player just drag and drop songs onto the hdd |
| 12:33:40 | iksark | does ipodlinux make it work without itunes? |
| 12:33:46 | midkay | not really.. ipodlinux might.. |
| 12:34:05 | iksark | ok i might hav a look at that then, thanx for ur help |
| 12:34:10 | Apostle^ | yea i love how it's just drag+drop now |
| 12:34:11 | Apostle^ | ;-p |
| 12:34:11 | midkay | good luck |
| 12:34:13 | Apostle^ | best part! |
| 12:35:33 | Apostle^ | how often should i update my rockbox install? |
| 12:36:05 | midkay | aaaaaaaa |
| 12:36:14 | Apostle^ | ?? |
| 12:36:22 | midkay | slammed foot into the door |
| 12:36:31 | JdGordon | haha |
| 12:36:37 | JdGordon | i mean.. ouch! |
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| 12:36:42 | JdGordon | Apostle^ |
| 12:36:49 | JdGordon | as often as something interesting changes |
| 12:36:50 | Apostle^ | lol |
| 12:36:56 | Apostle^ | how do i see when ipod nano changes |
| 12:37:18 | JdGordon | the rb homepage shows the recent changes |
| 12:38:07 | Apostle^ | kk |
| 12:38:12 | Apostle^ | i love the game bubbles |
| 12:38:12 | Apostle^ | :-P |
| 12:38:50 | midkay | i think one of my toes is broken. |
| 12:39:18 | * | XavierGr is trying to not get drowned by the excess amount of remotes and cables! :D |
| 12:40:16 | midkay | ow.. ow.. sigh, please.. |
| 12:40:53 | Apostle^ | seems all freenode channels have people who are always here but never speak |
| 12:41:13 | preglow | ehh |
| 12:41:18 | ScoTTie | goto efnet |
| 12:41:23 | preglow | does eliminating bit fields give faster code? |
| 12:41:26 | preglow | i don't see why it should |
| 12:41:27 | ScoTTie | 3/4 of the network doesnt speak at all |
| 12:41:32 | Apostle^ | lo |
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| 12:41:39 | Apostle^ | DALnet has alot of homos |
| 12:41:41 | Apostle^ | ;-p |
| 12:41:50 | Apostle^ | freenode is the best :-P |
| 12:41:51 | ScoTTie | DalNet is homo ;p |
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| 12:42:36 | drspoon | anybody been playing wormlet? |
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| 12:42:40 | Apostle^ | no |
| 12:42:46 | Apostle^ | been playing bubbles :-P |
| 12:43:12 | drspoon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5077 |
| 12:43:25 | drspoon | i think it needs a patch |
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| 12:47:12 | Bg3r | hm, tell this in the channel ... |
| 12:47:21 | Bg3r | uf:( |
| 12:47:42 | XavierGr | hmmm |
| 12:47:51 | XavierGr | amiconn: it really works for the H300 |
| 12:47:51 | amiconn | Apostle^: There's currently no dev with a 3g, so nobody is able to track down the playback probs. But it *might* be that 3g would work now |
| 12:48:14 | amiconn | XavierGr: Nice :) And H1x0? |
| 12:48:35 | XavierGr | all remotes I have (2 ticking and 1 not-ticking) (all H100) are clear off ticks completely even with the reduce ticking option set to off. |
| 12:48:59 | XavierGr | it seems that this won't make difference on H100 units though |
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| 12:49:03 | XavierGr | I will test again |
| 12:49:11 | amiconn | Hmmmm.... |
| 12:49:28 | XavierGr | but on H300 it is really superb |
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| 12:49:36 | XavierGr | I can't hear the slightest tick |
| 12:49:49 | amiconn | That'd mean the ticking on H1x0 has a slightly different cause than on H300. |
| 12:50:06 | amiconn | My H140 doesn't tick so I can't test. Bummer. |
| 12:51:15 | XavierGr | the builds on the MR thread are okay right? |
| 12:51:25 | XavierGr | I test both units with those |
| 12:51:29 | Bg3r | XavierGr this post is mine ... |
| 12:51:36 | XavierGr | ah yes |
| 12:51:58 | Bg3r | but u can patch against cvs |
| 12:52:44 | RedBreva | is it the remote hardware ot the player hardware that causes some units to tick.. |
| 12:53:54 | XavierGr | well I tested again, no ticks for H300 at all. But the same levels for H100 |
| 12:54:09 | Jungti1234 | http://www.viruete.com/articulos/2005/fotosarticulos/koopa/koopa%20vader(foto%207).gif |
| 12:54:22 | amiconn | RedBreva: Seems to be a combination of both |
| 12:55:05 | RedBreva | Just wondering if MyH140 (no Tick) might have ticking if I use a friend remote? |
| 12:59:08 | amiconn | XavierGr: Hmm, okay :/ At least it seems to fix ticking for H300. My optimised emi reduction routine should help on h1x0. |
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| 13:00:33 | amiconn | I would like you to test this as well when it's ready |
| 13:00:37 | XavierGr | amiconn: if you have further ideas about it on H100 contact me to do the testing. I have many remotes |
| 13:00:39 | XavierGr | :) |
| 13:02:27 | XavierGr | though it would be good to find other users of H100 units too. Because the problem seems to be both on remotes and units. E.g your fix maybe will affect some users that report different behaviour with different remotes/units |
| 13:04:18 | amiconn | Yes. |
| 13:05:21 | amiconn | I'll incorporate the /CS fix for all irivers, as it eliminates one potential source of ticking. The good thing is that it doesn't slow down anything, |
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| 13:06:12 | amiconn | If a unit still ticks with the /CS fix, we need to keep the 'reduce ticking option'. I hope that my modified emi reduction works better than the one in cvs |
| 13:08:13 | XavierGr | also it is very stange that I take the opposite findings from you amiconn. 1 of my H100 remotes tick on H100 unit while it doesn't on the H300 unit. You say that you get the opposite. |
| 13:08:26 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:09:59 | amiconn | I have a theory, but first I have a question: The remotes that tick on H300 for you - do they tick on all H300s you have access to? |
| 13:11:02 | XavierGr | I only have 1 H300 unit |
| 13:11:34 | XavierGr | Summing up I have: 1 H100 unit. 1 H300 unit |
| 13:11:42 | XavierGr | 3 H100 remotes |
| 13:11:52 | XavierGr | 1 H300 LCD-less remote |
| 13:11:54 | petur | I wonder if I should get a h300 remote lcd+joystick for $59 + $14.50 shiiping - good price? |
| 13:11:57 | amiconn | Hmm. I thought you said something about a friend with a H300... |
| 13:12:56 | XavierGr | my cousin has an H300 unit with an H300 LCD-remote. He reports that you fix works like a charm |
| 13:13:06 | XavierGr | you = your |
| 13:13:12 | amiconn | Anyway, my theory is that ticking on H300 is caused by bad shielding of /CS in the remote (cable?), so a remote that ticks on one H300 will tick on all of them (and probably H1x0 too, in which case my fix should fix the prob) |
| 13:13:23 | XavierGr | but he lives in Athnes so I can't test |
| 13:14:16 | XavierGr | maybe he will get here in Easter. Then I could conduct some more tests |
| 13:14:56 | amiconn | But the (other kind of) ticking on H1x0 is caused by bad grounding in the unit, i.e. depends on the unit, not the remote |
| 13:15:46 | amiconn | To sum up: H300 ticking depends on the remote, i.e. a remote that does tick on one H300 will tick on all of them (but my fix will fix this once and for all) |
| 13:16:26 | amiconn | H1x0 ticking depends on the main unit (and the remote), i.e. a main unit that has remote ticking has it with all remotes |
| 13:16:34 | Genre9mp3 | Yes! :) Next week I'm coming to Crete! Will have some testing there with the remotes |
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| 13:16:57 | amiconn | (the remote as a potential second cause will be eliminated by my fix) |
| 13:18:00 | ThatThereSome1 | Hey |
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| 13:34:18 | amiconn | Slasheri: 'no thanks' for finally breaking rombox for fmrecorder and recorder v2 :-( |
| 13:34:34 | amiconn | "Output is 232 bytes larger than max (233456) |
| 13:34:34 | amiconn | removing UCL file again, making it a fake one |
| 13:36:02 | Slasheri | oh :/ |
| 13:36:45 | Slasheri | hmm.. i still hadn't applied the suggested tagcache code size optimizations.. |
| 13:37:02 | Slasheri | there was a patch somewhere and it should free ~1k |
| 13:37:10 | Bg3r | amiconn as a fat "guru":) what would be the drawbacks if i make a 75GB FAT32 with 4k cluster size ? |
| 13:37:41 | amiconn | Ugh |
| 13:38:01 | amiconn | The result is a huge fat that makes file access very slow |
| 13:38:21 | amiconn | Why would you want that? |
| 13:39:01 | Bg3r | i don't want it, just the default cluster size of mkdosfs seems to be 4k ... |
| 13:39:59 | amiconn | The recommended cluster size for >32GB FAT32 partitions is 32k |
| 13:40:16 | amiconn | (which is the maximum possible cluster size) |
| 13:40:51 | Bg3r | 10x :) |
| 13:41:51 | * | petur wonders if Bg3r is installing a 80GB 1.8" toshiba disk |
| 13:42:17 | Bg3r | petur hah no :) |
| 13:42:25 | Bg3r | i wish this was the case |
| 13:42:42 | Bg3r | just making big fa32 on a desktop HDD |
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| 13:46:28 | * | Bg3r sees for the first time, that FAT32 has "logical sector size" thing ... |
| 13:47:11 | * | Bagder finds it amusing that the fat bug causes windows crashes |
| 13:47:54 | Bg3r | :))))) |
| 13:48:34 | XavierGr | ha, that's why my H100 could hang some PC when I connected it? |
| 13:49:05 | Bagder | XavierGr: if you made windows read a dir which had files with this problem, then it could be yes |
| 13:49:34 | petur | it never hung or crashed my w2k - am I glad I don't run XP :D |
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| 13:52:56 | preglow | but anyone, does c compilers actually make so poor bitfield code that it's better to do it by hand? |
| 13:53:10 | Bagder | in general, yes |
| 13:53:25 | preglow | how is that possible? |
| 13:53:32 | preglow | it's the simplest thing in the world |
| 13:53:50 | Bagder | but it is also vert often due to C not specifying exactly how bitfields should work |
| 13:54:07 | Bagder | so you can't map hw to bitfields and you can use them fine in unions |
| 13:54:12 | Bagder | can't |
| 13:54:36 | Bagder | also, when you do it manually you can avoid the bit stuff when you want to, while struct style bitfields make it used always |
| 13:55:03 | * | midkay glares silently from the shadows |
| 13:55:04 | midkay | ;) |
| 13:55:09 | preglow | just looking at the libmad patch |
| 13:55:23 | preglow | it's got a shitload of changes just relating to removing bitfields |
| 13:55:31 | preglow | but if it makes sense i guess i'll commit it |
| 13:56:05 | Bagder | I guess only a comparison will tell if there's a good reason for that case |
| 13:56:38 | preglow | then i need to write a profiler parser for arm first.. |
| 13:56:42 | preglow | oh woe |
| 13:57:07 | Bagder | or just check the generated asm to see if you can detect any notable differences |
| 13:57:41 | preglow | yeah, i guess it's simple enough for that to be clever |
| 13:57:45 | preglow | but first, some food |
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| 14:01:56 | Bg3r | amiconn are you sure that 32k is the max fat32 cluster size ? because i managed to create a 262144bytes/cluster ... |
| 14:02:41 | amiconn | Yeah, it's possible, but outside specs |
| 14:03:11 | Bg3r | k ;) |
| 14:03:12 | amiconn | Expect most fat implementations to vomit |
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| 14:27:53 | midkay | any forum admins interested in stickying a "how to play doom" thread if i make one? seems like there's just streams and streams of questions from people who aren't reading a _word_ before asking how.. |
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| 14:28:26 | Bagder | sure, I'll stick it |
| 14:28:44 | Bagder | I trust you mean in the ipod section |
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| 14:29:45 | preglow | why? doom's for pretty much all targets |
| 14:30:04 | midkay | Bagder, yes.. |
| 14:30:05 | Bagder | because that's where all the doom questions are being made atm |
| 14:30:08 | JdGordon | ah.. ah.. AH .... |
| 14:30:12 | preglow | bless you |
| 14:30:14 | JdGordon | .. almost sneeze... |
| 14:30:18 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5056 chooooo! |
| 14:30:28 | JdGordon | oh crap.. shnot all over the screen :'( |
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| 14:30:39 | petur | most questions get asked by ipod people: either there are more ipod users or they more 'stupid' ? |
| 14:30:52 | preglow | ooh, looks nice |
| 14:31:03 | Bagder | petur: they don't have any MR ;-) |
| 14:31:04 | preglow | petur: stupid |
| 14:31:18 | warthawg | when you play doom, how should you hold your mouth? |
| 14:31:35 | midkay | petur, the ones who buy an iPod because it's an iPod (like 99% of them) = stupid, yes. :) |
| 14:31:35 | petur | I guessed the latter because they bought an ipod :P |
| 14:32:00 | warthawg | but, but, i was GIVEN an ipod |
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| 14:32:29 | muesli__ | midkay ;) |
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| 14:40:38 | * | Bg3r just added the target ids to the LangFiles |
| 14:41:09 | Bagder | goodie |
| 14:42:24 | Bg3r | Bagder , if we have |
| 14:42:32 | Bg3r | *: "PLAY = Yes" |
| 14:42:32 | Bg3r | h300: "NAVI = Yes" |
| 14:42:32 | Bg3r | h100,h120: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:42:41 | Bg3r | this will work ok, yep ? |
| 14:42:43 | Mikachu | *cough* http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/tree.c.diff?r1=1.397&r2=1.398 |
| 14:42:47 | Bagder | Bg3r: yes |
| 14:43:00 | JdGordon | Bg3r: lookin good (y) |
| 14:43:11 | amiconn | Bg3r: Yes, although I would like to switch to SELECT for ipod as well |
| 14:43:18 | amiconn | (currently it is PLAY) |
| 14:43:20 | preglow | me too |
| 14:43:35 | Bg3r | k |
| 14:43:42 | amiconn | Oh, and to be 100% correct it should be RIGHT for Ondios |
| 14:44:08 | Bg3r | amiconn yep, it was just an example |
| 14:46:24 | midkay | Bagder, posted.. |
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| 14:47:09 | JdGordon | Mikachu: oh noes!!!! c++ style comments... the source is corrupted :p |
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| 14:48:13 | midkay | Bagder, thanks. i wonder if it'd be best to close it too, so it doesn't get cluttered with questions.. |
| 14:48:25 | midkay | unique and specific questions should IMO get their own thread.. |
| 14:48:27 | Bagder | I'll wait and see |
| 14:48:50 | Bagder | nah, I lock it |
| 14:49:00 | midkay | if anything genuine gets asked, we can still add it to the FAQ in there. |
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| 14:49:11 | Bagder | yeps |
| 14:49:26 | midkay | k, ty |
| 14:50:14 | lostlogic | amiconn: yeah, after further consideration, I agree about pause off-queue, and to your other comment, I am reworking skip behavior so that it is less of a 'special case' than before. |
| 14:50:29 | Jungti1234 | hey |
| 14:50:30 | Bg3r | *: "SELECT = Yes" |
| 14:50:31 | Bg3r | player,recorder,fmrecorder,recorderv2,gmini120,gminisp: "PLAY = Yes" |
| 14:50:31 | Bg3r | h300: "NAVI = Yes" |
| 14:50:31 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bg3r |
| 14:50:31 | Bg3r | ondiofm,ondiosp,ifp7xx,x5,gigabeatf: "RIGHT = Yes" |
| 14:50:43 | Bg3r | any corrections ? |
| 14:51:03 | midkay | doesn't ifp7xx have select? |
| 14:51:10 | midkay | and the X5 does too. |
| 14:51:12 | Bg3r | midkay maybe, but .. |
| 14:51:20 | Bg3r | #elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5_PAD) |
| 14:51:21 | Bg3r | #define YESNO_OK BUTTON_RIGHT |
| 14:51:29 | midkay | maybe that's not how it currently works, but for consistency that should probably be changed.. |
| 14:51:36 | Bg3r | #elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_IFP7XX_PAD) |
| 14:51:37 | Bg3r | #define YESNO_OK BUTTON_RIGHT |
| 14:51:58 | midkay | any reason it's like that, anyone? |
| 14:52:04 | Jungti1234 | Why does 'Rockbox info' have limit of number of character? |
| 14:52:28 | Bagder | the x5 keys are pretty much set at random |
| 14:52:43 | Bg3r | Bagder still ? |
| 14:52:48 | midkay | Bagder, haha. it'd be funny to actually use rand() to generate them.. :) |
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| 14:52:57 | Bg3r | lol |
| 14:53:01 | Bagder | Bg3r: not much has happened to them since |
| 14:53:04 | midkay | well, my vote goes to "change to select".. |
| 14:53:54 | JdGordon | has there been any word on when the cvs builds will put the rockbox.* file int eh .rockbox folder? |
| 14:54:34 | Bg3r | JdGordon i asked linus some time ago ... |
| 14:54:46 | JdGordon | .. and? |
| 14:54:52 | Bg3r | and it's planned for the 3.0 |
| 14:54:58 | JdGordon | ok |
| 14:55:18 | Jungti1234 | hey.... http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/infolimit.PNG |
| 14:55:28 | Bg3r | (at least if we remind him;)) |
| 14:56:48 | Mikachu | that would require reflashing, wouldn't it? |
| 14:57:06 | petur | nope |
| 14:57:07 | Mikachu | for devices that need flashing |
| 14:57:26 | Bg3r | Mikachu iirc the bootloader first searches in the .rockbox dir |
| 14:57:30 | Bagder | its been supported by the bootloader for a while |
| 14:57:34 | Mikachu | ah, okay |
| 14:57:50 | Rick | Jungti1234: cool :) |
| 14:58:14 | Jungti1234 | heh |
| 14:58:25 | Jungti1234 | Can it be fixed? |
| 14:58:36 | Rick | oh |
| 14:58:38 | Rick | I see the bug now |
| 14:58:46 | Rick | didn't notice it before |
| 14:59:01 | Jungti1234 | LANG_BATTERY_TIME, LANG_DISK_SIZE_INFO, LANG_DISK_FREE_INFO |
| 14:59:02 | Mikachu | heh, i moved rockbox.ipod in rockbox, it worked fine |
| 14:59:04 | Jungti1234 | all have problem |
| 14:59:08 | Mikachu | haven't tried the copy/paste stuff before |
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| 15:01:08 | Bg3r | any1 against increasing the temp buffers @ line 80 in main_menu.c from 32 bytes to ... huh.. ? |
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| 15:05:31 | ep0ch | my little test with the libmad patch showed no performance boost on 5g :( time for a test on ihp |
| 15:06:30 | Bg3r | Bagder so, Select = yes (for x5) ? |
| 15:06:44 | Bagder | I don't know |
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| 15:06:50 | Mikachu | i don't like confirm being the same as selecting things from the menu |
| 15:06:56 | Mikachu | especially for delete |
| 15:07:01 | Bg3r | i know less than u :) i don't have x5 |
| 15:07:10 | Bagder | well, I _have_ one |
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| 15:07:24 | Bg3r | yes, that's why i'm asking u ;) |
| 15:07:25 | Bagder | but I don't even know when I'd select yes ;-) |
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| 15:09:16 | Moos | currently way is good, right click joystick for yes, better than select imho |
| 15:09:42 | Moos | but din't find out how to use the vkeybord yet : ) |
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| 15:15:02 | ep0ch | lostlogic: i'm just doing a quick mp3 boost ratio test on my ihp, i believe your changes have reduced the boost ratio of one of my mp3s from 10% to 4% |
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| 15:15:36 | Bg3r | hehe |
| 15:15:39 | Bagder | wow |
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| 15:15:53 | Bg3r | good to hear |
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| 15:20:21 | ep0ch | and with the libmad patch the same file has no boost at all! |
| 15:20:55 | ep0ch | thats a 199 kbps mp3 |
| 15:21:21 | Bagder | that's pretty impressive |
| 15:21:45 | ep0ch | yeha i'll see if i have some higher bitrate mp3s.... |
| 15:23:26 | midkay | ep0ch, which of lostlogic's changes do you mean? |
| 15:23:39 | midkay | all his playback reworking? |
| 15:23:42 | ep0ch | yes |
| 15:23:50 | midkay | aha, interesting.. |
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| 15:30:59 | ep0ch | 320 kbps file used 1% boost ratio |
| 15:31:07 | petur | wow |
| 15:31:31 | ep0ch | now the interesting thing is my mp1 file plays without boost, but mp2 uses 50% :s |
| 15:32:00 | ep0ch | (ps this is on ihp not ipod) |
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| 15:37:02 | Bagder | Need to get 330MB of archives. |
| 15:37:02 | Bagder | After unpacking 28.5MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 15:37:04 | Bagder | wooo |
| 15:37:38 | ashridah | lucky you |
| 15:37:43 | Jungti1234 | Rick: Solved problem. |
| 15:38:11 | ashridah | 720 upgraded, 142 newly installed, 28 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:38:11 | ashridah | Need to get 439MB of archives. |
| 15:38:11 | ashridah | After unpacking 143MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 15:38:12 | ashridah | :) |
| 15:38:31 | ashridah | (it's actually a stable box faced with a 'testing' upgrade, but i'm not going to put it through that atm |
| 15:39:50 | Bagder | hehe |
| 15:39:59 | Bagder | I'm just a few weeks behind on unstable |
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| 15:40:13 | * | ashridah doesn't even want to think about the upgrade path when he gets his new PC |
| 15:40:51 | ashridah | nevermind that just booting it is going to be a chore thanks to it being impossible for me to builda kernel with the new SATA controller supported right now |
| 15:41:00 | ashridah | might have to use a boot cd |
| 15:42:31 | * | warthawg looks around for other devices to install linux on |
| 15:45:04 | ashridah | anyway. |
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| 15:50:14 | Jungti1234 | Rick? |
| 15:50:28 | Jungti1234 | Bg3r? |
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| 15:56:39 | linuxstb | Bg3r: It seems others disagree, but I would argue for the YES/NO buttons to be different to the SELECT button. It seems much safer to have a different button to confirm a dangerous action than is used to bring up the confirmation prompt initially. |
| 15:57:02 | * | preglow got bored and tried out a perceptual bass boosting algorithm |
| 15:57:27 | JdGordon | i agree... and in that case h300 should be changed to use play for yes, not navi.. |
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| 16:02:55 | amiconn | linuxstb: There's still safety because you need to press 2 times. Having to move the finger/thumb just to confirm is cumbersome. |
| 16:03:19 | linuxstb | Yes, but deliberately cumbersome. |
| 16:03:30 | amiconn | On all targets except ipod, the buttons are the same, |
| 16:03:41 | linuxstb | I know - I'm suggesting we change them. |
| 16:03:43 | amiconn | and I never accidentally deleted something |
| 16:03:43 | JdGordon | ye, but sometimes u accidently release the button and press again.. you could do something bad in that case very accidently.. |
| 16:04:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: If you do, I would insist on making the confirmation optional, and I would switch it off completely |
| 16:05:11 | linuxstb | Well, I'm not insisting they should be different - I'm just curious what opinions people have. |
| 16:05:32 | JdGordon | *cough* implement user configurable buttons for the whole system :p |
| 16:05:40 | linuxstb | But isn't there a button on all targets which is very close to select/right (or whichever is currently the button for yes) |
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| 16:21:52 | XavierGr | with the new libmad I am pretty sure that H100 will equal or suprass the stock firmware battery time |
| 16:22:13 | XavierGr | (if 328kbps = 1% boostas ep0ch mentioned) |
| 16:23:30 | preglow | ouch |
| 16:23:38 | preglow | if that is so, the improvement is pretty drastic |
| 16:24:03 | lostlogic | ep0ch: good to know that it's not all just random refactoring :) |
| 16:24:31 | preglow | lostlogic: playback seems pretty sweet again now |
| 16:24:38 | muesli__ | i had the feeling runtime has improved at all |
| 16:24:55 | lostlogic | preglow: there are a myriad of stupid skipping issues, so I'm redoing the skip logic onto the right thread now. |
| 16:25:04 | lostlogic | well later today any way, started last night. |
| 16:25:53 | preglow | wbbbe |
| 16:25:54 | preglow | what the fuck |
| 16:25:58 | preglow | my disk makes CRAZY noises |
| 16:26:29 | * | preglow decides to do some impromptu brute force backups |
| 16:26:58 | Bagder | chicken |
| 16:27:03 | mtnbkr | I know this is a silly question, since it looks like th FAQ already answers it, but having a real person corroboarate it will help. Does Rockbox work on a 2g grey 10GB iPod yet? Will it ever? What can I (a non-programmer) do to help? |
| 16:27:05 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 16:27:28 | preglow | Bagder: i've acted the fool too many times when it comes to backups now |
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| 16:27:56 | Bagder | the upside of having most of your content committed in CVS servers hosted elsewhere ;-) |
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| 16:28:21 | preglow | yeah, i was just now thanking Someone Up There I've got all of my projects in svn now |
| 16:28:21 | mtnbkr | Bagder: yeah, but can you commit all of your mp3s :) |
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| 16:28:32 | Bagder | what's mp3? |
| 16:28:39 | Bagder | :-P |
| 16:29:08 | * | mtnbkr prefers ogg vorbis but ass-u-me-d that most use mp3 |
| 16:29:29 | preglow | i swear, if this disk crashes before i can backup some essentials, i'll just find a new hobby |
| 16:30:01 | mtnbkr | which is why I desperately need Rockbox to work on my ipos (all my CDs have been ripped and then encoded as -q8 oggs) <shakes fist>Damn You apple </shake> |
| 16:30:33 | Bagder | mtnbkr: that 2G thing is not a mini, is it? |
| 16:30:49 | petur | then why the h*ll do you have an ipod? :P |
| 16:31:50 | mtnbkr | Bagder: no it is a 2nd gen 10GB grey LCD model it says (c) 2002 Apple Computer, Inc. on the back |
| 16:32:42 | Bagder | ah, a PP5002 |
| 16:33:06 | preglow | mtnbkr: ouch, god damn, you might as well just start optimising our vorbis decoder right now, then |
| 16:33:06 | mtnbkr | petur: lol I know I know... Well, I got this 10GB model pretty cheap from a friend and I figure since its MAIN purpose is to go mountain biking with me, a loss of it due to a crash would not worry me as much as a more expensive (eg: new) iriver or other. |
| 16:34:04 | Bagder | ipodlinux can play 192kbit mp3 "almost ok" on the PP5002 |
| 16:34:06 | mtnbkr | preglow: yeah, -q8 makes some big, but good sounding oggs. |
| 16:34:22 | preglow | mtnbkr: yes, and REALLY cpu hungry |
| 16:34:36 | Bagder | and ogg not at all it seems |
| 16:35:15 | mtnbkr | Bagder: I've always got to be different. Been using oggs before most (normals) knew what an mp3 was. lol |
| 16:35:16 | preglow | they did play vorbis at some time |
| 16:35:33 | Bagder | I'm just reading http://ipodlinux.org/Project_Status |
| 16:35:57 | Bagder | mtnbkr: well, then you should've gotten another player ;-) |
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| 16:36:08 | mtnbkr | so RockBox 100% for sure does not support this dinosaur? |
| 16:36:14 | preglow | oh, it will |
| 16:36:24 | Bagder | at the moment it doesn't |
| 16:36:26 | preglow | but we have no devs with a unit like that yet |
| 16:36:42 | preglow | and when we do support it, it probably will struggle like a bitch |
| 16:37:10 | mtnbkr | Bagder: well, before I did the re-ripping/reencoding to oggs I have about 24GB of 256K mp3s on another server. So, iTunes on my Apple laptop happily transfers them to the ipod |
| 16:37:37 | Bagder | 256K mp3 plays fine on the 2g? |
| 16:38:07 | mtnbkr | the thing is, I have since stopped engoding to mp3 a long time ago, so that collection is a bit stagnant compared to my current ogg collection. |
| 16:38:34 | mtnbkr | Bagder: yeah, I am pretty sure they are all 256k... I'd have to check. |
| 16:38:56 | Bagder | just curious, it doesn't matter that much |
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| 16:39:19 | Bagder | since ipl says 192kbit is "almost ok" for them |
| 16:39:46 | linuxstb | Bagder: Don't forget that's with the helix decoder, not libmad. |
| 16:39:48 | mtnbkr | I am planning a mountain biking trip to Moab Utah next month and would like to get some of my current stuff on this iPod, but it is looking like I am SOL - without re-ripping/encoding or using sox to convert a bunch of oggs to mp3s which i have successfully done in the past. |
| 16:40:08 | Bagder | linuxstb: ah, right |
| 16:42:14 | mtnbkr | I have a question though... When I use the ipod_fw to extract the apple firmware, apple_os.bin ends up being about 40BYTES instead of about 5MB reported by the docs. Does the lack of support for the 2g begin right at this point? ie" ipod_fw not able to properly find/extract what it needs from the bootpartition.bin of the 2g? Curious. |
| 16:45:54 | preglow | Bagder: also, they don't use iram |
| 16:46:04 | Bagder | wow |
| 16:46:10 | preglow | god knows if that's any better on pp5002 than on pp5020, though |
| 16:46:12 | Bagder | how weird |
| 16:48:03 | preglow | ok, courtc confirms it's not yet realtime |
| 16:49:28 | Bagder | mtnbkr: but to answer your previous question, to get 2G support going you'd basically have to extract the proper little pieces from IPL and apply to Rockbox and get it running |
| 16:50:05 | mtnbkr | Bagder: without explicit directions, that is probably beyond me. |
| 16:50:14 | linuxstb | mtnbkr: ipod_fw (which is just a copy of make_fw from the IPL project) should be able to extract 2G images. AFAIK, IPL works for the 2G. |
| 16:50:15 | mtnbkr | and my iPod skillz |
| 16:50:26 | Genre9mp3 | Just a quick question....how the buffer is organised? Does the wps buffer reserves a part, the plugin buffer another part, and the rest goes to the file buffer? |
| 16:50:28 | mtnbkr | Ok... |
| 16:50:35 | mtnbkr | I mean OH |
| 16:50:38 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: yeps |
| 16:51:01 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: but of course there's a whole range of tiny buffers for various purposes |
| 16:51:24 | linuxstb | mtnbkr: How big is the bootpartition.bin file you extracted from your ipod? |
| 16:51:37 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: langs, fonts, wps, plugins, codecs, dir cache, tag cache, ... |
| 16:51:59 | mtnbkr | linuxstb: about 32K −−> 31744 Apr 9 14:33 bootpartition.bin |
| 16:52:07 | Genre9mp3 | Bagder: I have extended the wps buffer for my preference...should I expect any bugs? |
| 16:52:18 | Bagder | nope |
| 16:52:22 | linuxstb | mtnbkr: That's the problem I think. It should be around 40MB - definitely a LOT more than 32K. |
| 16:52:29 | Genre9mp3 | ok...thanks |
| 16:52:45 | linuxstb | mtnbkr: Also, is it a FAT32 or HFS ipod? |
| 16:53:31 | mtnbkr | linuxstb: OH! UG! I read that it should be abot 30-40MEG, and saw my 32K and READ it as MB and though. ok, coo so far... |
| 16:54:10 | mtnbkr | linuxstb: it was hfsplus, I have since made it FAT32 so that I could get rockbox to install... |
| 16:54:25 | amiconn | preglow: For pp5002, I think 2 things might help a bit. (1) IRAM, because the pp5002 is said to have a broken cache implementation. (Broken in what way, btw?) |
| 16:54:34 | amiconn | (2) We can clock it a little higher |
| 16:55:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: http://ipodlinux.org/FAQ#Why_is_the_PP5020_faster_than_the_PP5002.3F |
| 16:55:48 | linuxstb | (I think that's all we know about the PP5002) |
| 16:56:11 | amiconn | Haha, a cache with a waitstate... |
| 16:56:39 | amiconn | Now I would expect the heavy iram usage in rockbox to pay off |
| 16:56:50 | linuxstb | So would I. |
| 16:56:53 | amiconn | On PP5020+ it seems to make virtually no difference |
| 16:57:27 | amiconn | The arm core itself is identical? |
| 16:57:50 | preglow | probably |
| 16:58:32 | preglow | amiconn: would you like to do some memory timing tests on your ipod? :) |
| 16:58:43 | mtnbkr | linuxstb: I have to run... but when I get back I will see if I can get a 32MEG bootpartition.bin file. That would probably be a good start. :) Thanks |
| 16:58:50 | amiconn | So with some arm libmad optimisations, I would expect that we can manage realtime on pp5002, provided the gains are in the range of what became possible on coldfire due to preglow's work... |
| 16:58:54 | preglow | i'm curious if iram has an effect on pp502x |
| 16:59:20 | preglow | amiconn: i'm pretty optimistic when it comes to mp3, ogg will be worse |
| 16:59:32 | amiconn | Ogg already has arm optimisations? |
| 16:59:36 | preglow | yup |
| 16:59:37 | preglow | some |
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| 17:00:14 | amiconn | I've looked a bit into the arm instruction set. Contrary to SH1, arm seems to be built around a barrel shifter... |
| 17:00:28 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you have specific libmad functions in mind that you want to optimise for ARM, or are you planning to profile it first? |
| 17:00:35 | amiconn | ...free shifts almost everywhere |
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| 17:01:40 | preglow | linuxstb: synth_full |
| 17:01:55 | preglow | and some other small stuff |
| 17:01:57 | preglow | but we'll see |
| 17:02:06 | preglow | i'll profile (and hence write a parser) first |
| 17:05:54 | amiconn | Btw, with some higher bitrate oggs (dunno the -q, but they are ~220kbps) I get ~50% boost on my mini2g |
| 17:06:15 | Mikachu | over what time period is the boost ratio calculated? |
| 17:06:15 | preglow | ogg is actually faster on ipod than mp3... |
| 17:06:25 | preglow | Mikachu: all the time you've been in the screen |
| 17:06:30 | Mikachu | ah |
| 17:07:59 | amiconn | preglow: Yes. Wiith the same bitrate mp3, I get ~65..70% boost |
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| 17:08:52 | Mikachu | so i guess repeat on a single song is best if i want to test two different versions of the decoder? |
| 17:10:15 | man_in_shack | anyone know if rockbox would work on a 5g ipod? |
| 17:11:19 | * | petur runs off screaming |
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| 17:12:57 | linuxstb | man_in_shack: Yes, it does work. |
| 17:13:04 | man_in_shack | cool |
| 17:13:10 | man_in_shack | now i wish i could afford one |
| 17:14:43 | warthawg | it's better when someone gives you an ipod |
| 17:14:50 | Mikachu | i agree :) |
| 17:14:57 | man_in_shack | that's true |
| 17:15:04 | man_in_shack | but i don't know anyone who would :( |
| 17:15:47 | warthawg | the company i work for made a profit for the first time ever last qtr, so they gave every employee a black nano |
| 17:15:57 | man_in_shack | can i have one? :) |
| 17:16:05 | Mikachu | warthawg: they didn't like making a profit? :) |
| 17:16:22 | warthawg | Mikachu: right ;) making sure it doesn't happen again! |
| 17:17:02 | * | man_in_shack gets hired by warthawg's company and complains about the lack of ipod |
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| 17:17:57 | warthawg | i wonder what the pricing is on the other music players that rockbox supports, are they less expensive than apple? |
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| 17:23:51 | man_in_shack | i wouldn't mind designing/building an mp3 player |
| 17:24:09 | man_in_shack | like one that's specifically designed to run rockbox :D |
| 17:27:38 | linuxstb | warthawg: I think the only other MP3 player still being made which is supported by Rockbox is the iaudio X5. All the others are discontinued. |
| 17:27:54 | warthawg | linuxstb, i didn't know that |
| 17:28:04 | warthawg | i guess apple has won the market |
| 17:28:36 | linuxstb | Not really, it's just that other companies have moved on to different hardware designs. All the ipods are very similar to each other, making it easy for us to support them all. |
| 17:29:09 | warthawg | linuxstb, do you see rockbox becoming ipod only, then? |
| 17:29:14 | linuxstb | Definitely not. |
| 17:29:20 | warthawg | good |
| 17:29:48 | linuxstb | I'm sure people will continue to port Rockbox to new targets, it's just that by the time the ports are finished, manufacturers have stopped selling them. |
| 17:30:22 | warthawg | i didn't realize it took so long to reverse engineer things |
| 17:30:33 | linuxstb | And maybe Apple's next ipod will be a completely different design, and will never get a Rockbox port... |
| 17:35:11 | man_in_shack | wonder what the most power-effcient embedded processor is |
| 17:35:24 | ^BeN^ | XavierGr? |
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| 17:35:42 | XavierGr | yes? |
| 17:36:05 | Paprica | i have some probelm in vmware |
| 17:36:16 | XavierGr | shoot |
| 17:36:31 | Paprica | when i do ../tools/configure |
| 17:36:59 | Paprica | it tells "permission denied" |
| 17:37:08 | Mikachu | chmod +x configure |
| 17:37:13 | XavierGr | hm file permission. |
| 17:37:14 | XavierGr | yes |
| 17:37:19 | Paprica | ok 10x =] |
| 17:37:23 | XavierGr | OR log in as root. (dirty) |
| 17:37:30 | Mikachu | that has nothing to do with it |
| 17:37:48 | XavierGr | another way (that I do most of the time to avoid file permissions) |
| 17:37:57 | XavierGr | chmod 777 * -R as root |
| 17:38:08 | Mikachu | Paprica: don't listen to XavierGr, he's crazy :) |
| 17:38:14 | XavierGr | haha |
| 17:38:27 | XavierGr | Then I have all file permissions for everyone |
| 17:38:36 | Paprica | haha |
| 17:38:39 | Paprica | :] |
| 17:38:44 | Paprica | 10x it works now |
| 17:38:45 | XavierGr | ofcourse this would be quite silly if it was your main machine |
| 17:41:30 | Paprica | aff now somthing else |
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| 17:42:40 | lostlogic | whee, testing my first build with reworked skipping (chance of track changes ~= 10%) |
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| 17:48:29 | preglow | meaning? :> |
| 17:48:43 | Mikachu | should that number be either 0 or 100? |
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| 17:50:23 | lostlogic | meant track changes working |
| 17:50:27 | lostlogic | and they don't. |
| 17:50:28 | lostlogic | :) |
| 17:50:39 | preglow | hahah |
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| 17:53:55 | Paprica | mmm Mikachu, XavierGr, i need your help again, it tells "permission denied" now on mkdir x |
| 17:53:59 | Toni1 | hi there |
| 17:54:25 | Toni1 | I added some measurements to my patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5078 |
| 17:54:29 | XavierGr | Paprica go to the whole rockbox source dir and type: |
| 17:54:31 | XavierGr | su |
| 17:54:36 | XavierGr | give the root password |
| 17:54:42 | XavierGr | then chmod 777 * -R |
| 17:54:43 | preglow | Toni1: looking good |
| 17:54:49 | preglow | Toni1: but what's the (0) ? |
| 17:54:55 | XavierGr | you will not have a file permission problem again |
| 17:55:09 | Paprica | ok |
| 17:55:10 | Toni1 | only index to the function measured |
| 17:55:12 | Mikachu | Paprica: you should unpack the tree as the user who's going to use it |
| 17:55:19 | preglow | Toni1: yeah, and 0 isn't listed.. :) |
| 17:55:22 | Mikachu | or cvs |
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| 17:56:37 | Toni1 | preglow: sorry, (0)=III_huff_decode (1)=III_stereo |
| 17:57:34 | Toni1 | so III_huffdecode can be improved more, but it needs a different bitstream decoder |
| 17:58:10 | Toni1 | I don't know, wether the modifications would be excepted by rockbox? |
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| 17:58:48 | Toni1 | but anyway, I will try for the fun on it |
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| 18:00:24 | preglow | can't see why not |
| 18:00:41 | Toni1 | :) |
| 18:00:42 | preglow | anything that works towards faster codecs will pretty much be commited |
| 18:00:46 | preglow | and btw |
| 18:00:54 | preglow | your recording codec stuff is scheduled for 3.1 |
| 18:00:58 | preglow | so we haven't forgotten it |
| 18:01:36 | Toni1 | ah, that sound good. I will adept the patch to the time after 3.0 |
| 18:03:04 | lostlogic | ok, that's weird, the first track skip leaves audio stopped, but the subsequent one works, I'm gonna hafta logf this beeeaatch |
| 18:03:04 | Toni1 | preglow, do you know wether DRAM is faster on ipod than on iriver? |
| 18:03:32 | petur | with recording codec and agc,... coming up, would we need a boost mechanism for recording as well? |
| 18:03:56 | preglow | Toni1: ipod has cache |
| 18:04:13 | preglow | Toni1: and to be honest, i don't know. on newer ipods, iram doesn't seem to matter at all |
| 18:04:42 | Toni1 | preglow, ok, that explains, why my patch does not show a difference on ipod. |
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| 18:04:55 | preglow | Toni1: oh, but i'm fairly certain someone said it does affect ipods |
| 18:05:16 | | Part souki |
| 18:05:22 | Toni1 | petur: I think so. my patch already includes stable cpu clock switching |
| 18:05:55 | Toni1 | petur, encoder codec patch it is |
| 18:06:37 | Toni1 | preglow, so the small mod in III_huffdecode caching may take effect on ipod |
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| 18:07:36 | petur | Toni1: you mean you monitor the ringbuffer and boost when it gets full? |
| 18:08:07 | Toni1 | petur, yes exactly. |
| 18:08:14 | petur | nice |
| 18:08:32 | * | petur takes bike and iriver and drives home |
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| 18:08:52 | Toni1 | petur, have a nice go |
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| 18:24:47 | livesNbox | hey guys −− kinda new to rockbox. I currently subscribe to several podcasts (and video podcasts) is there a good peice of software to get to manage podcasts with a rockbox player ? |
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| 18:25:08 | Angel | not yet, but u can always boot into the apple firmware and watch them |
| 18:26:18 | livesNbox | Angel, Yeah −− trying to figure out exactly the best way to use this thing.. I love the idea of drag and drop.. and I love the added functionality of rockbox −− and with the theme I have, it looks great.. but there are some things that are missing. |
| 18:26:19 | Angel | any1 know of any sweet games that work with 5g besides doom? |
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| 18:27:05 | livesNbox | Like with album art - seems like my only option is to either give up using album-art, or continue to keep 2 copies of everything on my ipod.. one in apple wierdo format, and one in normal rockbox readable format |
| 18:27:38 | Angel_of_Death | nope... |
| 18:27:56 | Angel_of_Death | album art will work for rockbox like it does for apple, it will resize and such |
| 18:28:13 | Angel_of_Death | but since rockbox hasnt been *released for 5g* yet, not everything is working |
| 18:28:15 | livesNbox | really.... |
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| 18:28:40 | livesNbox | I thought the only way album art would work is if you have cover.bmp in the folder with the songs in the album? |
| 18:28:52 | Angel_of_Death | no |
| 18:29:08 | Angel_of_Death | i have a theme right now in which if ur album art is 100x100 it will display while playing the song |
| 18:29:15 | livesNbox | which theme ? |
| 18:29:19 | livesNbox | nudel green ? |
| 18:29:22 | Angel_of_Death | but none of mine are, simply because itunes used to resize them |
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| 18:29:31 | Angel_of_Death | its gonna be a little be longer before they fix that |
| 18:29:33 | Angel_of_Death | yeah |
| 18:29:35 | Angel_of_Death | nudel green |
| 18:29:46 | livesNbox | thats the one I have.. but you didn't have to put cover.bmp in the folders ? |
| 18:29:58 | Angel_of_Death | didnt try |
| 18:30:10 | livesNbox | so you just used itunes to assign artwork to all of the songs ? |
| 18:30:11 | Angel_of_Death | i knew the AA was attached to each song i had |
| 18:30:22 | Angel_of_Death | well i had already done that lol |
| 18:30:24 | Angel_of_Death | but yes |
| 18:30:30 | livesNbox | hmm.. I've done that too.. |
| 18:30:38 | Angel_of_Death | where they 100x100 in size? |
| 18:30:42 | livesNbox | so maybe I should just use itunes to manage my ipod.. |
| 18:30:45 | livesNbox | no they weren't. |
| 18:30:49 | livesNbox | all different sizes. |
| 18:30:54 | Angel_of_Death | then they wont display on nudel green...yet |
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| 18:31:01 | livesNbox | ah... i see.... |
| 18:31:19 | Angel_of_Death | like i said rockbox hasnt been *released* for 5g yet, u can just get the daily progress builds |
| 18:31:28 | Angel_of_Death | some days the builds dont even work at all :P |
| 18:31:44 | Angel_of_Death | for me tho AA isnt important enough to switch me back |
| 18:31:46 | livesNbox | heh.. i have a devel environment.. i should try that :) |
| 18:32:02 | Angel_of_Death | i mean, its nice... but i will wait for RB to come out with it |
| 18:32:37 | * | livesNbox blows away his duplicate copies of everything |
| 18:32:48 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 18:32:50 | * | livesNbox goes back to itunes to manage his stuff :) |
| 18:32:59 | * | livesNbox uses tagcache and lives happily ever after |
| 18:33:02 | livesNbox | glad I came here today! |
| 18:33:12 | Angel_of_Death | so ur gonna ditch rockbox cause of AA? |
| 18:33:54 | livesNbox | no no.. I'm just not going to need dupe copies |
| 18:33:59 | livesNbox | I'll just let itunes manage my songs.. |
| 18:34:05 | livesNbox | and then use that tagcache program to index them all. |
| 18:34:21 | Angel_of_Death | oh |
| 18:34:37 | livesNbox | that nudel green with the album art looks really slick.. the UI for rockbox has come a long way in the last year. |
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| 18:34:50 | Angel_of_Death | it look bad on the site |
| 18:35:05 | Angel_of_Death | its missing the background |
| 18:35:17 | Angel_of_Death | which is slightly noticable, but its nice |
| 18:35:58 | Angel_of_Death | well goodluck |
| 18:36:04 | Angel_of_Death | just dont use foo_pod |
| 18:36:08 | Angel_of_Death | cause it doesnt work lol |
| 18:36:35 | Angel_of_Death | think im going to go play Counter-Strike source |
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| 18:50:50 | preglow | Lear: yo |
| 18:51:08 | Lear | Hi. |
| 18:51:22 | preglow | Lear: what's the reason behind apply_gain doing so much copying? why doesn't it just do the gain and store the result in the array it's working on? |
| 18:51:50 | Lear | There was a reason, I remember that... Let me think a little. :) |
| 18:52:16 | preglow | the working buffer is almost always iram these days anyway |
| 18:58:58 | Lear | Well, src might be the sample_buf, in which case it isn't copying. :) But that might've been the reason, not assuming src was in iram. Or maybe just not modifying in incoming buffer... |
| 18:59:24 | Lear | Aiming for getting rid of one of the sample buffers? Maybe to allow "longer" loops? |
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| 18:59:56 | adamdullenty | hiya |
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| 19:00:45 | adamdullenty | does anyone have any idea what the heck is going on here... trying to send someone a recording I made from the radio today, every single time I plug my iRiver into any PC, the PC blue screens and restarts |
| 19:01:08 | Mikachu | try linux |
| 19:01:22 | PaulJ | or run chkdsk |
| 19:01:24 | adamdullenty | It might be some thing to do with the recordings folder, i try browsing to that then it crashes a second or two later |
| 19:01:33 | Angel_of_Death | mm |
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| 19:01:38 | Angel_of_Death | sounds not-good |
| 19:01:44 | adamdullenty | yeah :-\ |
| 19:01:58 | PaulJ | adamdullenty: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40068 |
| 19:02:00 | Angel_of_Death | is the build for iRiver *released* |
| 19:02:16 | adamdullenty | I glanced a message on one of the bluescreens saying it might have something to do with fastfat.sys, if I read correctly |
| 19:02:24 | adamdullenty | hmm? |
| 19:02:44 | Angel_of_Death | like on my 5g the build hasnt been released, they are still working on the final version |
| 19:02:52 | Angel_of_Death | have they released rockbox for ur iriver |
| 19:03:18 | Mikachu | 3.0 will be released at the end of this month |
| 19:03:28 | Mikachu | 2.5 was the last release, so i'm guessing it didn't support iriver |
| 19:03:33 | adamdullenty | there's a new release every day isn't there? |
| 19:03:38 | Angel_of_Death | yes |
| 19:03:42 | Angel_of_Death | those are called builds |
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| 19:03:54 | Mikachu | a release has a version number |
| 19:04:15 | adamdullenty | ah, whether it "supports" it or not is irrelevant - it's used by many many iRiver users already, and is still crashing my PCs, lol |
| 19:04:25 | adamdullenty | cheers for that link, seems to be exactly what i'm experiencing |
| 19:05:11 | Angel_of_Death | lol yes i know, but what i was saying was... if u have a bad build... some days the builds they release dont even work.... that might be why |
| 19:05:16 | Angel_of_Death | so try an older build |
| 19:05:30 | adamdullenty | ah good point |
| 19:06:07 | PaulJ | adamdullenty: you should update rockbox, the bug that caused your problems was fixed a few day ago. |
| 19:06:17 | adamdullenty | cheers :) |
| 19:07:03 | Mikachu | it's pretty awesome that you can crash windows with it though |
| 19:07:07 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 19:07:23 | adamdullenty | haha, yeah, I was thinking that... get some of those files on a USB stick and voila. instant crashing |
| 19:07:24 | Angel_of_Death | like thats hard to do... |
| 19:07:28 | adamdullenty | true |
| 19:07:55 | Angel_of_Death | please crashing windows is like a baby crying.... it happens all to often |
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| 19:08:31 | adamdullenty | what do you mean by the "short name", by the way? |
| 19:08:53 | Mikachu | there's a difference between it crashing on its own and crashing by plugging in a funny usb device |
| 19:09:01 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 19:09:04 | Angel_of_Death | well of course |
| 19:09:17 | Angel_of_Death | 1, u mean to do, the other, it means to do =) |
| 19:09:46 | Angel_of_Death | "Windows XP is the most Secure version of windows yet" |
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| 19:10:03 | preglow | Lear: yeah, but in the process you cut everything into smaller pieces |
| 19:10:12 | preglow | Lear: it also looks like you assume what size sample_buf is |
| 19:10:32 | preglow | Lear: but yeah, i'd like all sample buffers to be as long as possible, so eq and stuff like that with some init overhead gets run in an innerloop as often as possible |
| 19:10:37 | preglow | i'll probably fix it at some point |
| 19:11:39 | Angel_of_Death | ok i have a problem now. |
| 19:11:47 | Angel_of_Death | who here has played doom on there iPods? |
| 19:11:58 | Lear | preglow: well, the assumption within all of dsp.c is that the count for all the processing functions is small enough to fit in the sample_buf, so it can be used whenever needed. |
| 19:12:38 | Lear | preglow: at the time, there wasn't much overhead, so I wasn't worried about it. |
| 19:12:40 | Angel_of_Death | does any1 know how to open the .wad (levels) files in doom? |
| 19:13:05 | Lear | But if you want to change things in dsp.c, don't let me stop you. ;) |
| 19:13:50 | Angel_of_Death | hm. guess not. |
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| 19:14:32 | kkurbjun | Angel_of_Death, what do you mean open levels in doom? |
| 19:14:49 | Angel_of_Death | have u played doom on an ipod? |
| 19:15:29 | kkurbjun | no, but I developed it |
| 19:15:34 | preglow | Lear: i can't think of any places where that needs using now |
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| 19:15:42 | Angel_of_Death | lol |
| 19:15:47 | kkurbjun | (linuxstb did most of the ipod work) |
| 19:15:56 | preglow | Lear: that is, except in convert |
| 19:16:14 | kkurbjun | Angel_of_Death, what is your question? |
| 19:16:16 | Angel_of_Death | well anyways ive downloaded different .wad files because i was told i could load them up and play them in doom |
| 19:16:23 | Lear | preglow: Which you're slowly removing the need for... |
| 19:16:24 | Angel_of_Death | i put them in the \Games\doom folder |
| 19:16:29 | Angel_of_Death | but i dont know how to play on them |
| 19:16:40 | kkurbjun | you need to put them in /games/doom/addons |
| 19:16:47 | Angel_of_Death | ahhhhhh |
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| 19:17:16 | Angel_of_Death | lets see if that did the trick... |
| 19:17:23 | preglow | Lear: one hurdle left: interleaved stereo |
| 19:17:31 | preglow | Lear: the wavpack guy doesn't want me to remove that :) |
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| 19:18:20 | preglow | Lear: if you know of a good, in-place way to convert interleaved to non-interleaved: let me know |
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| 19:28:10 | lostlogic | damnit, every time there's supposed to be a codec change, it stops playback instead *mutter* |
| 19:29:35 | Lear | lostlogic: noticed another thing (not quite with the latest build though): reshuffle the playlist and it skips to the next track. happened for me when playing a folder and changing from shuffled to sorted... |
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| 19:30:18 | lostlogic | I think that's fixed, but won't be able to mess with it until I make track skipping some semblence of work again :-P |
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| 19:59:46 | neff | good evening all - are there any current known resume bugs with the h140? |
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| 20:00:18 | neff | I'm having to carry a paper clip around with me again at the moment |
| 20:02:10 | preglow | probably |
| 20:02:29 | preglow | lostlogic's refurbishing the playback system |
| 20:04:05 | neff | ahhhh - first noticed it last week - I can't pin it down exactly yet but it seems to be when I turn it back on with the car power plugged in |
| 20:04:41 | neff | I shall be a patient little user and keep updating - thanks for the info |
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| 20:12:43 | pill | hi |
| 20:13:07 | pill | i had another hang->jump to next album near the end of the album |
| 20:14:01 | pill | it's slightly less worse than yesterday where i had hang->jump to a random position in a random track in the same folder basically anytime |
| 20:15:39 | Rob2222 | lostlogic: Do you have a H300 LCD Remote? |
| 20:15:43 | Angel_of_Death | kkurbjun, u still here? |
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| 20:19:37 | lostlogic | Rob2222: no |
| 20:19:46 | lostlogic | neff: try latest bleeding edge |
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| 20:19:58 | Rob2222 | lostlogic: Do you know about the swapped buttons at H300 LCD remote? |
| 20:21:21 | lostlogic | nope |
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| 20:23:19 | neff | OK - I've give the bleeding one a go and testing out on my commute tomorrow - thanks |
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| 20:25:48 | lostlogic | damn thing isn't loading the codec on what should be a full rebuffer *mutter spit* |
| 20:26:06 | lostlogic | preglow: I like that term for what I'm doing :-P |
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| 20:45:25 | lostlogic | ah HAH! found the bugger... now, will track skipping work right? |
| 20:45:32 | preglow | sure |
| 20:45:52 | petur | lostlogic rules |
| 20:46:09 | petur | lostlogic for president |
| 20:46:27 | petur | anything 's better than Bush, right? :P |
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| 20:46:44 | luckz | what is a qucikscreen exactly? |
| 20:46:49 | luckz | +speeling |
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| 20:46:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a very limited option menu |
| 20:47:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | usually accessed by holding down the same button that gets you to the full menu, instead of tapping it |
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| 20:47:21 | lostlogic | petur: :) I'm not old enough to be president yet :-( |
| 20:48:42 | lostlogic | didn't work. |
| 20:49:00 | petur | lostlogic doesn't rule |
| 20:49:02 | petur | boooo |
| 20:49:05 | petur | :D |
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| 21:09:43 | crashd | hey guys |
| 21:09:50 | crashd | how's the playback on swcodec looking lostlogic ;) |
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| 21:11:26 | lostlogic | crashd: coming along... CVS playback works fine, some cases of track skipping give BUGS, includging sometimes audio artifacts, so I'm reworking track skip currently |
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| 21:11:51 | crashd | cool, glad it's coming on well :) gonna give it a spin when i get back to my box tommorow |
| 21:11:52 | lostlogic | crashd: my current tree just stops after starting to load the next track on a unbuffered skip. |
| 21:12:04 | crashd | |: |
| 21:12:10 | crashd | getting there though : ) |
| 21:12:13 | lostlogic | hehe, yah |
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| 21:26:07 | godzirra | Howdy folks. |
| 21:26:20 | godzirra | Is the album art patch in the current builds now? I dont see it on the patch list anymore... |
| 21:27:09 | Febs | No. |
| 21:27:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | godzirra: This one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 |
| 21:27:51 | * | Paul_The_Nerd still sees it. |
| 21:28:08 | godzirra | Oops. Sorry, I'm braindead. |
| 21:28:17 | godzirra | Didnt realize it had just gotten pushed off the page. |
| 21:29:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a really handy "search" function |
| 21:30:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you can tell what gets included in CVS by checking the changelog. |
| 21:31:10 | godzirra | Ok. I just figured there had to be an easier way than going through hcangelogs for every day back to the day I updated. ;) |
| 21:31:20 | godzirra | Whats holding back album art being put into the build, if I may ask? |
| 21:31:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Having the album art stored with the metadata in the audio buffer properly, I believe. |
| 21:33:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | That and it's not even really gonna get looked at again by a dev until the freeze is over |
| 21:34:01 | godzirra | Ahh ok. I didnt realize that the stuff that already had patches out counted towards the freeze. |
| 21:34:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | The freeze is on new features going into CVS |
| 21:35:05 | godzirra | Gotcha. |
| 21:35:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | People can make all the patches they want during the freeze, but unless it addresses issues mentioned in the ToDo for 3.0, or fixes outstanding bugs it's not going to be included |
| 21:35:23 | godzirra | Makes sense. |
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| 21:38:11 | amiconn | XavierGr: r u around? |
| 21:38:43 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
| 21:39:46 | XavierGr | yes? |
| 21:40:01 | amiconn | Wanna test something on h1x0? |
| 21:40:06 | XavierGr | of course |
| 21:40:15 | amiconn | Patch or pre-built? |
| 21:40:30 | XavierGr | whatever you like |
| 21:41:24 | arf-arf | amiconn: I can test on H140 if you like? |
| 21:41:46 | amiconn | arf-arf: Do you have the ticking remote problem? |
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| 21:42:12 | arf-arf | Sometimes, not all the time though. |
| 21:42:43 | arf-arf | Or that might have been the residual growing hum after playing a lot of mpc files in a row a few months back. |
| 21:43:05 | arf-arf | Come to think of it, since I re-encoded from flac->ogg, I stopped getting that. |
| 21:43:25 | arf-arf | But now seeking works in mpc, I'm considering going back to mpc... |
| 21:43:59 | arf-arf | aaaaand back to lurking I go. |
| 21:44:17 | amiconn | XavierGr: amiconn.dyndns.org/remote_lcd.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/remote_lcd.diff |
| 21:45:03 | amiconn | Apply this, then test a build on h1x0 with a ticking remote. I would like to know whether this build ticks more, less or equally loud _at 45MHz_ |
| 21:45:12 | amiconn | ...with the ticking fix enabled. |
| 21:45:30 | amiconn | It should tick like hell with the ticking fix disabled |
| 21:45:35 | XavierGr | the reduce ticking options you mean? |
| 21:45:38 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:45:52 | amiconn | It's implemented in a rather different way |
| 21:46:21 | amiconn | You can also try a H300 build, it shouldn't tick at all because it contains my /CS fix (with timeout this time) |
| 21:47:21 | XavierGr | ok wait one moment please |
| 21:47:39 | amiconn | The 'reduce ticking' option does not yet adjust itself to 124MHz, so I would expect it to tick a bit more than cvs when boosted |
| 21:47:45 | amiconn | (on H1x0) |
| 21:49:32 | amiconn | YOu can try that nevertheless, would be a pleasant surprise if it doesn't tick more |
| 21:50:03 | XavierGr | I test it when no music is playing. I just get to filetree and scroll |
| 21:50:47 | amiconn | Yes, that's what I did on H300 as well |
| 21:51:04 | * | amiconn just found that his remote even ticks a bit on his H140 |
| 21:51:16 | amiconn | Never noticed before, 'cause it's very faint... |
| 21:51:27 | XavierGr | I know what you mean |
| 21:52:15 | amiconn | Wow. |
| 21:52:34 | amiconn | At 124MHz, ticking is clearly noticeable w/o ticking reduction |
| 21:52:45 | * | amiconn wonders why he never noticed it before |
| 21:52:59 | amiconn | Probably because I usually don't use the remote... |
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| 21:53:54 | XavierGr | Right now I am compiling |
| 21:54:01 | amiconn | Maybe all (or the majority) of H1x0's tick... |
| 21:54:58 | amiconn | Now it becomes interesting... |
| 21:55:31 | * | amiconn compares with cvs |
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| 21:55:54 | XavierGr | I need only the firmware file to test right? |
| 21:56:01 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:56:02 | sharpe | odd... taskmanager just crashed on me :D |
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| 21:58:10 | XavierGr | ok let's hear. :) |
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| 21:59:19 | sharpe | xavier, didst thou knoweth i got colored text output on the c64 emulator? |
| 21:59:27 | Celery | Hello, my rockbox wont load doom (its in the plug ins directory) but its stating that I have no base wads......any help? |
| 21:59:50 | sharpe | are the wads in "/games/doom" ? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:44 | sharpe | or, did you place the wads in that directory? |
| 22:01:04 | Celery | i got my addons folder in there in my /doom root i got doom1.wad and rockdoom.wad |
| 22:01:19 | sharpe | mmm... |
| 22:01:41 | Celery | :) |
| 22:01:54 | Celery | Says theres no base wads |
| 22:01:58 | amiconn | Now it gets completely confusing... :-/ |
| 22:02:12 | Celery | Yup lol |
| 22:02:25 | amiconn | Why the hell is the remote lcd faster on H1x0 than on H300???? |
| 22:02:29 | Galois | it's supposed to be in /games/doom not /doom |
| 22:02:42 | Celery | i have rockbox/games/doom |
| 22:02:50 | sharpe | shouldn't be in rockbox |
| 22:02:53 | amiconn | It's the same flaming lcd controlled the same way with the same cpu at the same frequencies???? |
| 22:02:58 | Celery | DAMN lol lemme try |
| 22:03:01 | sharpe | just on a folder in it's own on the root of the drive |
| 22:03:03 | sharpe | :) |
| 22:03:35 | Celery | Ok |
| 22:03:36 | Celery | lol ;) |
| 22:03:58 | Celery | anyone here get the iboy (gameboy) to run yet? |
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| 22:04:26 | Celery | I run both Ipod-Linux and rockbox on my ipodloader |
| 22:04:36 | Celery | it lets me select whichever (on my 5 g) |
| 22:04:40 | XavierGr | hmmm |
| 22:04:40 | amiconn | ...mysterious... |
| 22:05:06 | Celery | (yay doom works) thanks |
| 22:05:11 | sharpe | :D |
| 22:05:12 | XavierGr | it is very hard to tell if there is any ticking with the option set to on. (but that;s the case in both versions) |
| 22:05:28 | Celery | ? |
| 22:05:41 | XavierGr | I think that I hear a very slight tick (very very tiny) but this maybe placebe. |
| 22:05:44 | XavierGr | placebo |
| 22:06:20 | XavierGr | I could say that the tick is the same or lower with the patch you gave me. |
| 22:06:32 | amiconn | My ticking is so faint that it's barely noticeable at 45MHz in cvs *without* ticking reduction |
| 22:06:34 | XavierGr | but veyry difficult to recognise |
| 22:06:49 | Celery | anyone else run ipod linux? |
| 22:06:52 | amiconn | My faster lcd update makes it more noticeabe without reduction |
| 22:06:53 | Celery | on there 5 g |
| 22:06:56 | XavierGr | without ticking reduction I can hear it pretty well |
| 22:07:18 | XavierGr | but let me check then without ticking reduction |
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| 22:09:07 | lostlogic | if an immediate return condition at the top of a function is always true when called in the context I'm calling it, is that a bad thing? |
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| 22:13:10 | XavierGr | amiconn: with and with out reduce ticking option enabled I get the same levels of ticking. With the option enabled the tick is so faint that I am not sure if it is just my idea. |
| 22:13:36 | XavierGr | I mean on the different versions of the firmware |
| 22:13:46 | lostlogic | ZOMG it finally skipped a track or 3 |
| 22:13:53 | XavierGr | ah crap let me rephrase |
| 22:14:03 | * | preglow swallows tongue |
| 22:14:22 | sharpe | that's not too good to do |
| 22:14:35 | amiconn | Something is really at odds on H300. The remote lcd update speed differences H300-H140 are (all w/o ticking reduction): 100:104 at 124MHz, 100:112 at 45MHz and 100:191 at 11MHz (!!) |
| 22:14:54 | amiconn | That means, something is eating almost half the I/O bandwidth on H300 at 11MHz |
| 22:15:32 | * | amiconn summons LinusN |
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| 22:16:01 | XavierGr | with reduce ticking on it is very hard to disntiguish any differences on both firmwares. I am not sure if it is my idea on hearing. |
| 22:16:11 | amiconn | What the flaming hell could that be?? |
| 22:16:19 | preglow | shruggage |
| 22:16:56 | XavierGr | without reduce ticking. Again I can't sense a difference (between the 2 firmwares I tested). Though on 124 Mhz it ticks like hell. |
| 22:16:57 | amiconn | XavierGr: Your H300 doesn't tick at all as expected? |
| 22:17:07 | XavierGr | hmm didn't try on my h300 |
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| 22:18:42 | XavierGr | amiconn: the patch you gave me doesn't change the H300 |
| 22:18:56 | amiconn | hmm? |
| 22:19:00 | XavierGr | I mean the file the patch alters is lcd-h100-remote.c |
| 22:19:11 | XavierGr | does that has impact on H300? |
| 22:19:23 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:19:25 | lostlogic | gah, I have a buffer pointing problem. codecs seem to be fed themselves to decode, or old audio to decode, depending on buffer condition :( |
| 22:19:51 | XavierGr | hmm let me try again something |
| 22:19:54 | amiconn | lcd-h100-remote is also used on H300, and also for the H300 lcd remote. The lcd circuit is identical for both |
| 22:20:04 | XavierGr | I think I did something very foolish |
| 22:20:46 | XavierGr | crap how the hell my CVS trees messed up with each other |
| 22:20:58 | XavierGr | all my tests were wrong |
| 22:21:08 | XavierGr | that's why I heard the same levels of ticking |
| 22:21:13 | XavierGr | I will compile again |
| 22:23:36 | preglow | lostlogic: sounds like a heap of fun |
| 22:23:42 | preglow | lostlogic: are you doing testing on target or sim? |
| 22:23:47 | lostlogic | preglow: this is the home stretch, imo |
| 22:23:51 | lostlogic | preglow: target |
| 22:24:24 | lostlogic | preglow: diffstat for the commit that will happen once I figure out how I'm mispointing the buffer: 1 file changed, 234 insertions(+), 241 deletions(-) |
| 22:27:57 | preglow | looking forward to it |
| 22:28:23 | * | petur syncs with cvs before hell breaks loose |
| 22:28:39 | amiconn | Hell already has broken loose... |
| 22:28:49 | amiconn | (and no, I don't mean lostlogic's rework) |
| 22:28:58 | lostlogic | ::blink blink:: you don't!? |
| 22:29:01 | lostlogic | I'll hafta try harder! |
| 22:29:08 | XavierGr | amiconn: with your patch ticking can be heard a little bit more on H100 |
| 22:29:16 | amiconn | Hmm. |
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| 22:29:22 | amiconn | I wonder why... |
| 22:29:27 | XavierGr | a great deal with reduce off and a tiny bit with reduce on |
| 22:29:41 | amiconn | Yes, with reduce off it's expected |
| 22:29:44 | XavierGr | now I will check H300 |
| 22:29:54 | amiconn | The lcd update is more than twice as fast without reduction |
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| 22:30:46 | XavierGr | but I will test again the H100 with reduce to on. It is very hard to hear a difference. If it is louder it is a tiny bit. |
| 22:31:22 | amiconn | I think it's louder as well. Have to grab my scope and connect it to headphone out |
| 22:31:31 | amiconn | (should have had this idea earlier) |
| 22:33:12 | XavierGr | well yes, it is a little louder at 45mhz. at 124 I can hear it clearly. (all with reduction set to on) |
| 22:33:49 | amiconn | Yes |
| 22:33:58 | amiconn | 124MHz is not accounted for yet |
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| 22:36:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Preglow: You present by chance? |
| 22:36:32 | XavierGr | on H300 you have enabled the previous patch? |
| 22:36:57 | amiconn | Yes, this time also with a proper /CS timeout |
| 22:37:08 | amiconn | Doesn't tick at all on my H340 |
| 22:37:21 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah |
| 22:37:22 | amiconn | (like the previous, proof-of-concept patch) |
| 22:37:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: This may just be my faulty understanding, but with a precut of 7db, I shouldn't clip if the song doesn't clip normally and no bands are raised over +7, right? |
| 22:38:23 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: indeedey |
| 22:39:28 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes I can confirm that. |
| 22:39:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: In that case, precut has two bugs. The first being that if precut is set to 0, equalizer settings don't seem to be applied at all. Then, when I increased it to 0.5, suddenly clipping like mad with a +7 at the 60hz shelf (to be expected) but raising it to +7 still didn't remove it. In fact, if I raise the precut to +24, with a flat EQ, the overall sound is barely softer. Shouldn't it be considerably quieter? |
| 22:39:40 | XavierGr | now dinner time. |
| 22:39:49 | XavierGr | amiconn: thanks for looking into it. |
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| 22:40:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Though the latter may just be a scale issue. 2.4 instead of 24 being applied, or something? |
| 22:40:09 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: ehh, i'll check it out |
| 22:40:20 | preglow | i tried it a couple of days ago, and it worked fine for me |
| 22:40:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Okay. This is from a build as of about 16 hours ago. |
| 22:42:28 | Lear | so a positive pre-cut lowers the volume? |
| 22:42:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lear: Precut only goes from 0 to -24 |
| 22:43:05 | preglow | i'll try again, then |
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| 22:43:45 | Lear | Hm.., that surely explains why I got the impression the equalizer didn't do that much the other day... :) |
| 22:44:43 | preglow | precut most definitely works |
| 22:45:17 | Lear | He, when I activate pre-cut, volume is noticably increased. Then agian, I only have a low-shelf filter with some boost... :) |
| 22:45:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Odd, even with a precut of -24 I can get clipping pretty easily. Is there something else I could be doing wrong? |
| 22:45:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Lear: Same here |
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| 22:46:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | With a completely flat EQ, if I move precut from 0.0 to -0.5, the volume goes up quite a bit |
| 22:46:08 | preglow | i can't make it clip no matter what |
| 22:46:13 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: _UP_ ? |
| 22:46:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | UP |
| 22:46:19 | preglow | that's insane |
| 22:46:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like about the same as increasing volume ~8db or so |
| 22:46:38 | preglow | is this with replaygain? |
| 22:46:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
| 22:46:43 | preglow | ahh |
| 22:46:46 | preglow | then i guess that's to blame |
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| 22:46:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Replaygain and precut are incompatible then? |
| 22:46:57 | preglow | i don't know how well safetydan debugged using replaygain too |
| 22:47:14 | preglow | try with no replaygain |
| 22:47:16 | preglow | brb |
| 22:47:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I certainly don't mind if the answer to that is "yes" since I don't actually *use* the equalizer, but it'll be good to know if anyone starts complaining. :) |
| 22:47:26 | preglow | it'd be a bbug |
| 22:48:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Yeah, with replaygain disabled precut works a lot more like it should. |
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| 22:48:28 | Lear | Hm.. Could the line with the "/* FIXME: This isn't that easy right? */" be the reason perhaps? :) |
| 22:48:41 | preglow | Lear: yes |
| 22:48:43 | preglow | that's my guess |
| 22:48:46 | preglow | i think it's a sign problem |
| 22:48:49 | preglow | but brb |
| 22:50:00 | Lear | that should probably be a proper fixed-point mul (they way gain * preamp is calculated)... |
| 22:50:31 | amiconn | Isn't replaygain stored as dB? |
| 22:51:10 | Mikachu | REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_PEAK=0.46197176 |
| 22:51:10 | Mikachu | REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_GAIN=+0.18 dB |
| 22:51:14 | Mikachu | that's in ogg |
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| 22:51:27 | Lear | Yes, but recalculated to a linear scale value, so that to apply it, it is mulitplied to each sample value. |
| 22:51:31 | preglow | i was under the impression the value was in db |
| 22:51:48 | preglow | and you can add db values |
| 22:51:52 | Lear | that's the gain stored in dsp->replaygain. |
| 22:52:11 | Lear | but dsp->replaygain isn't db... |
| 22:52:24 | preglow | ahh, right |
| 22:52:27 | preglow | then we need a mul, yes |
| 22:53:09 | Lear | that's what get_replaygain_int does, convert from db... |
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| 22:53:24 | webguest82 | hey |
| 22:53:43 | amiconn | Why not just use one scaler for both replaygain and eq precut? |
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| 22:54:11 | amiconn | Then the value could be converted to linear after adding replaygain dB and precut dB |
| 22:54:13 | tempel | amiconn here? i need help with the LCD iPod driver on linux |
| 22:54:21 | tempel | ah , there he is :) |
| 22:54:33 | webguest82 | I know i'm a noob, but I don't see a readme anywhere...How do I install rockbox onto my ipod, drag it into itunes or what? |
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| 22:54:46 | Mikachu | webguest82: that's not quite it, no |
| 22:55:04 | sharpe | thar be a wiki off the port side! |
| 22:55:10 | Mikachu | webguest82: there are plenty of intsructions on the web site |
| 22:55:19 | tempel | hey amiconn, would you please come to #tempel ? |
| 22:55:28 | webguest82 | link! |
| 22:56:00 | sharpe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 22:57:50 | preglow | amiconn: i think that's what safetydan thought he was doing, at least ;) |
| 22:58:16 | Lear | amiconn: conversion is done during tag read already, so it isn't quite that easy to retro-fit... |
| 22:59:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | webguest82: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
| 22:59:09 | amiconn | Hmm, I'd think the tag read could be changed into reading dB, and conversion can be done later, when starting the track? |
| 22:59:26 | matsl | Bagder: you there? |
| 22:59:31 | Bagder | I am |
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| 23:00:23 | preglow | i say let's just do a multiply for now |
| 23:00:35 | preglow | at least i haven't got time for any big overhauls of it now |
| 23:00:53 | Lear | Well, yes, but it'd need to be converted if replaygain mode, pre-amp, etc. is changed, and it isn't as fast as a mul... |
| 23:01:09 | matsl | Bagder: is there some way to find out the email from the userid in CVS |
| 23:01:21 | Lear | (well, a couple of muls, adds and a shift, really) |
| 23:02:00 | Bagder | matsl: not really, but I think I can assist with a manual lookup! ;-) |
| 23:02:20 | Bagder | (if you're talking about rockbox) |
| 23:03:19 | matsl | Bagder: maybe you don't need to I just saw someone. |
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| 23:04:25 | akim | blah I must be failing at command prompt |
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| 23:04:52 | akim | Drive is not an Ipod, aborting >_< |
| 23:05:05 | midkay | akim, try another then. |
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| 23:05:48 | |Unknown| | hey |
| 23:05:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | akim: ipodpatcher 2, ipodpatcher 3... until the drive IS an iPod. :) |
| 23:05:50 | matsl | Lear: could you also be known as learman? |
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| 23:06:00 | |Unknown| | how do I add a codec to rockbox? |
| 23:06:18 | preglow | what codec? |
| 23:06:28 | |Unknown| | ACC |
| 23:06:28 | midkay | by porting it, but everything that works or is intended to work is included.. |
| 23:06:50 | akim | oh lord it worked |
| 23:06:51 | akim | lol |
| 23:07:06 | akim | i think i still have more stuff t do -_- |
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| 23:08:38 | akim | hmm so to install i extract all the files through my itunes now? |
| 23:09:24 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if ACC is a format he's not familiar with, or a typo. |
| 23:09:26 | Mikachu | i'm not sure why you're guessing instead of reading the instructions, but i don't think itunes is involved in any way in the install process |
| 23:09:27 | matsl | Bagder: I lost him. learman has been updating the svenska.lang. I would like to discuss some translation issues with him. |
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| 23:09:47 | akim | To install (or upgrade) Rockbox you need to attach your iPod to your PC via USB, ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk, and then unzip rockbox.zip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod. |
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| 23:09:59 | sharpe | i'm going to add a little custom setting for the emulator... |
| 23:10:00 | matsl | Bagder: but I fail to find a way to contact him. can you help? |
| 23:10:14 | Mikachu | ah okay |
| 23:10:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | akim: Assuming you've finished the bootloader process, yes. That doesn't say anything about "itunes" though. |
| 23:10:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Other than enabling disk mode |
| 23:10:43 | akim | how do I do that? |
| 23:10:44 | dwihno | Anyone noticed funny wps/current file behaviour on ipod lately? |
| 23:11:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | akim: Right click on your ipod, choose properties, and find the setting. Then, you can access your ipod like a hard disk through My Computer |
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| 23:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno: You mean, incorrect tags displaying for next song, and stuff like that? |
| 23:11:54 | * | |Unknown| means cod3c AAC |
| 23:11:57 | dwihno | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah) |
| 23:12:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno: Known issue. 'tis being tackled. :) |
| 23:12:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: AAC is already partially supported by Rockbox. It needs a good bit of work though. |
| 23:12:26 | dwihno | Funny thing though :) Got me foole |
| 23:12:33 | dwihno | +d |
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| 23:13:53 | dwihno | Funky how flac decodes realtime at 30mhz and wavpack struggling at 75mhz |
| 23:14:24 | |Unknown| | so there is no AAC codec for rockbox atm? |
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| 23:14:39 | Bagder | <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: AAC is already partially supported by Rockbox. It needs a good bit of work though. |
| 23:14:40 | preglow | read what Paul_The_Nerd said to you |
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| 23:14:55 | Bagder | that _is_ a codec |
| 23:14:58 | Bagder | just needs work |
| 23:15:03 | Bagder | feel free to dive in! |
| 23:15:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno: Lossless wavpacks are struggling? |
| 23:15:20 | |Unknown| | where is this "sorta" working codec? |
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| 23:15:34 | Bagder | |Unknown|: in rockbox |
| 23:15:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: With all the rest of 'em... |
| 23:15:45 | |Unknown| | oh |
| 23:16:03 | dwihno | Paul_The_Nerd: Well, roughly 80% time spent in boosted mode |
| 23:16:16 | |Unknown| | cause whenever I listen to music a little message comes up like /itunes/music/some number/ no codec found |
| 23:16:21 | dwihno | disk reads doe |
| 23:16:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno: But they're actual lossless files? Not lossy ones? |
| 23:16:32 | lostlogic | bagh, back skipping is like a nightmare with wings. |
| 23:16:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | And bear in mind that hybrid doesn't work. |
| 23:16:49 | dwihno | Paul_The_Nerd: as as lOssless as they get |
| 23:17:08 | * | Bagder curses those winged nightmares |
| 23:17:09 | akim | Hmm I put the files into my ipod G drive finished all the command stuff and my ipod looks the same :P |
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| 23:17:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno: What type of player? |
| 23:17:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: Are they files you encoded yourself, or bought from the store, or what? |
| 23:17:34 | dwihno | Paul_The_Nerd: ipod video |
| 23:17:51 | Mikachu | akim: are you sure you read the instructions? are you sure it wasn't... nothing? |
| 23:17:54 | dwihno | what is par y mode btw? |
| 23:17:58 | dwihno | party |
| 23:18:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno: Could you by chance share as small file compressed in that manner? Lossless wavpack should be *very* efficient. |
| 23:18:11 | lostlogic | hmm, if I keep holding play while the ipod shuts down, the backlight doesn't go off before the screen clears and it flashes. |
| 23:18:19 | |Unknown| | mostly from cds I own |
| 23:18:20 | Mikachu | dwihno: if you turn it on, lots of girls will come to your house and party all night |
| 23:18:26 | akim | bad fg reference ;p |
| 23:18:29 | |Unknown| | and a few I downloaded |
| 23:18:39 | Mikachu | lostlogic: maybe the button driver calls backlight_on because you send wheel events? |
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| 23:18:49 | lostlogic | Mikachu: good call! stupid. |
| 23:18:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | akim: You did finish the whole bootloader process. Like, you did the ipodpatcher -r ste, the ipod_fw steps, and the ipodpatcher -w step? |
| 23:18:55 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: depends how it's compressed |
| 23:18:59 | dwihno | Paul_The_Nerd: Just compress anything with max compression |
| 23:19:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:19:02 | preglow | Paul_The_Nerd: it's pretty heavy on the cpu in -h mode |
| 23:19:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | preglow: Ah. |
| 23:19:24 | dwihno | Mikachu: that explains the PRO people joining the fun ;( |
| 23:19:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I used to have wavpacks, but I don't recall which mode they were in. I transcoded to flac at some point. |
| 23:19:40 | preglow | ordinary wavpack is still pretty fast |
| 23:19:49 | preglow | and always compressed a bit better than flac, afaik |
| 23:19:49 | akim | yep |
| 23:20:00 | dwihno | I might up going all flac too.. |
| 23:20:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: Well, is it ALL of them that cause the problems, or just the downloaded ones? Rockbox doesn't support DRM wrapped music |
| 23:20:15 | dwihno | people have a hard time supporting it |
| 23:20:19 | dwihno | (win) |
| 23:20:34 | |Unknown| | all of them |
| 23:20:59 | preglow | like it's been said |
| 23:21:02 | preglow | aac support needs work |
| 23:21:03 | preglow | tons of it |
| 23:21:10 | preglow | as it is, it's not going to be bundled with 3.0 |
| 23:21:17 | dwihno | what is party ,ode? less afgressive caching? |
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| 23:21:47 | |Unknown| | okay, how bout has there been a fix for rockboy and the hold keY? |
| 23:21:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | dwihno: Party mode disabled the ability to stop playback, and causes an automatic "Insert Last" (or Queue Last?) event when songs are clicked on, instead of playing them back immediately, if I understand correctly |
| 23:21:56 | gursikh | dwihno: makes it so you can't stop playback no matter what |
| 23:22:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: Generally speaking, that information is available in the changelog. |
| 23:22:14 | dwihno | ah |
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| 23:22:51 | gursikh | and all over the forums where people post 4 times asking... "what's this new so and so... |
| 23:23:06 | akim | OH WAIT |
| 23:23:08 | akim | im retarded |
| 23:23:26 | Sinbios | yah really |
| 23:25:10 | |Unknown| | wheres the changelog? |
| 23:25:24 | dwihno | aren't there any xvid plugins yet btw? ;) |
| 23:25:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: It's that thing on the front page t hat shows recent updates, and then the link right above it that says "Changes since 2.5" |
| 23:25:51 | Mikachu | dwihno: i think there is a plugin that can extract frames from an xvid stream |
| 23:25:58 | |Unknown| | ok thankx ^_^ |
| 23:26:13 | dwihno | Mikachu: always a start :) |
| 23:26:56 | akim | done |
| 23:27:04 | akim | that was the most confusing crap I've ever done |
| 23:27:04 | dwihno | Mikachu: without the hw chip, it'll be difficult to do realtime? |
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| 23:27:47 | Mikachu | yes |
| 23:28:16 | lostlogic | back skipping out of the buffer is a nightmare with wings and horns |
| 23:28:27 | * | dwihno pulls the NDA-free specs from Mikachu's ear |
| 23:28:52 | Mikachu | oh thanks, they were itching something fierce |
| 23:28:52 | dwihno | Now that would be a pretty neat trick :) |
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| 23:33:01 | Mikachu | hm, it might be useful to call the pitch screen from the view audio thread screen |
| 23:33:07 | akim | What does, "Sorry you have no base wad's" mean? |
| 23:33:27 | Mikachu | it means that you don't have any base wads, but i think it's not really sorry |
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| 23:34:35 | akim | oh dear |
| 23:34:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | akim: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 23:34:41 | sharpe | yeah, it's secretly giggling. |
| 23:34:52 | sayocean | g'day everyone |
| 23:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Man, there should be a second splash that comes up with the first one leaves that says "On second thought, I'm not sorry." |
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| 23:37:03 | Mikachu | hrm, the button code in playlist_viewer.c is a little bit crazy |
| 23:37:09 | Mikachu | i may send a patch shortly! |
| 23:39:08 | preglow | we shan't accept it! |
| 23:39:21 | preglow | your code is crummy and smells bad |
| 23:39:25 | Mikachu | oh no :( |
| 23:39:32 | Mikachu | well, then i will have better code than you, so there |
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| 23:39:52 | preglow | always with the tabasco in the wounds, eh |
| 23:40:10 | preglow | i should stop expressing myself like zoidberg |
| 23:41:06 | Mikachu | http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-playlist_viewer_menupre.patch |
| 23:41:10 | Mikachu | not even compile tested yet! |
| 23:41:25 | Mikachu | but i borrowed the code a few lines up for TREE_RUN/RC_RUN/_PRE |
| 23:42:04 | |Unknown| | i dont see the rockboy patched anywhere |
| 23:42:12 | |Unknown| | does that mean it hasnt? |
| 23:42:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, that means it hasn't. |
| 23:43:22 | |Unknown| | will it be patched soon? |
| 23:43:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | With what? There's not a patch available that corrects things. |
| 23:43:51 | Mikachu | preglow: you're not the guy to ask about button bindings right? |
| 23:44:02 | |Unknown| | idk so that the hold buitton works |
| 23:44:04 | |Unknown| | like doom |
| 23:44:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, for one Rockbox is in a feature freeze with the focus being on improving the program itself. |
| 23:44:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's also not anyone working on Rockboy at the moment |
| 23:45:18 | preglow | Mikachu: oh, indeed |
| 23:45:30 | Mikachu | maybe i can trick Bg3r into applying it |
| 23:46:06 | |Unknown| | to bad, that menu coming up every second is annoying lol |
| 23:46:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: So fix it yourself. The source code is available, and there are many C tutorials on the internet. |
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| 23:48:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | |Unknown|: Another solution is to simply install iPodLinux and use their gameboy emulator |
| 23:49:05 | |Unknown| | isnt there gameboy emulator slower? |
| 23:49:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | "their" |
| 23:49:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, I do not know. Never used it. |
| 23:50:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | But Rockbox is an audio player firmware, so improvements to Rockboy are most likely to come from outside people contributing. |
| 23:53:12 | amiconn | "too many cables error" :/ |
| 23:53:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Too many cables error? |
| 23:53:48 | Mikachu | amiconn: are you the guy to ask about keybinds? |
| 23:54:51 | petur | amiconn: you mean 'badcab1e' ? :D |
| 23:55:31 | * | amiconn is trying to wire the scope to the remote headphone output in order to monitor the ticking signal |
| 23:55:59 | Mikachu | maybe the right guy but not the right time |
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| 23:58:48 | lostlogic | amiconn: gonna be hard to capture? |
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