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#rockbox log for 2006-04-15

00:00:02TeaSeaBarrow-in-furness eh? Never been there! :D
00:00:21crashdwhere you from ?
00:00:21TeaSeaI come from Carlisle, but i'm studying at Lancaster uni.
00:00:21crashdahh, good choice
00:00:21crashdlancaster is a nice place
00:00:21warthawgok, i'll meet you at the olypia hotel in belfast, crashd
00:00:21Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: The screendump looks fine in what way?
00:00:24crashdwarthawg: hey, fix the playback and i might buy you one :p
00:00:30warthawgheh
00:00:30TeaSeacrashd: Yeah :)
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00:00:49warthawgi mean, i would, if i ever go back to belfast
00:00:59TeaSeaLancaster uni makes me smile.
00:01:07crashdTeaSea: you go to the sugarhouse much? :)
00:01:13brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, its in 16bit color
00:01:25TeaSeacrashd: Not as often last term as I did the term before :)
00:01:31TeaSeaIt's strange, i've sort of stopped going out a lot.
00:01:33TeaSeaHOWEVER
00:01:47TeaSeaI am now social secretary for the theatre group, so I should be going to the sugarhouse a FEW TIMES hopfeully.
00:02:17TeaSeaYou ever been there crashd?
00:02:31crashdsure have, many times
00:02:41TeaSeaAwesome.
00:02:41TeaSeaWhen abouts?
00:02:41crashdin fact, i might be up there weekend may 6th for my birthday
00:02:49crashdi used to go a lot when i lived in barrow, nearest decent gig venue
00:02:54TeaSeacrashd: Ah aweseome. I'll definitely be in there May 4th.
00:03:06TeaSeaStar Wars bar crawl :D
00:03:10crashdheh
00:03:12Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: Strange. Could you try bejeweled and see if it looks like it's 16 colors, or higher?
00:03:19Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: Sorry, Jewels
00:03:24crashdhehe, nice work there paul ;)
00:03:31Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: Preferably after rebooting the ipod.
00:03:58brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, ok
00:04:32 Quit piroko ("telinit 0")
00:04:40Paul_The_NerdAgh. Man, I kinda wish that people would stop defending the project without at least researching it first.
00:05:02Paul_The_NerdIt's frustrating reading all these people stating various things about Rockbox that aren't true, or are at least only partially true.
00:05:23TeaSeacrashd: Unfortunately sugarhouse isn't as good as it supposedly was.
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00:05:33brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, jewel looks like its in 16 bit
00:05:34TeaSeaSaturday night's a mixed back. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.
00:06:03aegrayhahahah hows it feel boys
00:06:07brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, i mean, not in 16bit
00:06:22aegray(+girls if there are any)
00:06:33Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: So, in all instances your iPod Photo looks like it's in 16 colors, but the screendumps come out in 16 bit?
00:06:45brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, yep
00:07:10Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: Okay, could you do one last thing then? Boot into the Apple firmware, and use iTunes to put a photo on your player, and see how that photo looks in the Apple firmware.
00:07:50brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, i can't seem to boot it into the apple firmware:-p
00:08:00brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, mayby i'm just using the wrong key, but i push menu and nothing happens
00:08:28Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: Turn it off by holding play/pause. Then tap Menu to turn it on, release, and IMMEDIATELY hold it down until you see "Loading original firmware..."
00:09:14Matixswarthawg: thank you for your help with crosscompiler
00:09:14brendan_ok
00:09:16brendan_that worked
00:09:24Matixsand all: Good bye
00:09:38warthawglater, Matixs
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00:09:44infamisanyone own a karma & have experience with wps-creation? you know what I'm getting at...
00:09:46Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: As in, an image looks fine in Apple's Firmware, or just "I got to apple's firmware now"
00:10:39angelasheshow does the battery benchmarker work?
00:10:46brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, i got the firmware to load, the iamges in the firmware look like there more than 16 colors(the do not eject icon for example), but i'l try an image now
00:10:56Paul_The_Nerdangelashes: Every 30 minutes, approximately, it takes a reading and stores them in a .txt
00:11:24angelashesbut in those 30 minutes does it do anything?
00:11:33Paul_The_NerdWhat would it do?
00:11:47Paul_The_NerdIt runs in the background, so ideally you'd play music like normal.
00:12:06angelashesok i got yeah
00:13:21crashdTeaSea: you're not wrong, it used to be a really good
00:13:31TeaSeacrashd: Yeah. New DJs apparently.
00:13:43TeaSeaAlthough thursday nights are great... if you like indie music :D
00:13:45crashdheh
00:14:18brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, i don't have itunes available, i'm using linux and gtkpod doesn't suport photos
00:14:39Mikachubrendan_: there's gpixpod
00:15:15Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: Ah. Hm. Well, if you say it looks definitely 16-bit in the retail OS, I have to admit I'm confused. I would say delete rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder, put a new one on, and then, as soon as you turn on your iPod, immediately flip the hold switch to On to clear settings.
00:16:10lostlogicBagder: server problem, CVS notification message send failure, server connection refused.
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00:16:48lostlogicIf anyone in here has good ways to reproduce the buffer fill and track change breakage, please test the latest commit I just made. I might have killed it.
00:17:41peturbuilding....
00:18:19lostlogicif this fixes it, I still don't quite understand why, and will therefor be quite irritated
00:18:30Mikachui seeked and it skipped to the next tarck
00:18:59lostlogicMikachu: damn ,you biult that fast
00:19:04Mikachusounds like it played a tiny bit of the new point
00:19:12lostlogicMikachu: jus ta normal seek or a seek to the very end?
00:19:12Mikachulostlogic: takes only 2 secs to rebuild one file...
00:19:12Mikachunormal seek, out of buffer
00:19:20*petur still waits on cygwin :(
00:19:23Mikachuinside buffer seems to work
00:20:21lostlogichow do you even do that? I can't seek as fast as it buffers on a startup
00:20:37Mikachupcm buffer
00:20:41Mikachunot codec buffer
00:20:49lostlogicnow I'm confused
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00:20:56lostlogicthere's no such thing as a pcm buffer seek out of buffer.
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00:21:10Mikachuwhat, the whole file is always decoded instantly?
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00:21:23brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, ok, i removed the the current version and replacd it with an earlier snapshot, and cleared the settings, but it didn't change anythign
00:21:26lostlogicMikachu: only 2 seconds are, so you are _always_ seeking out of the pcmbuffer
00:21:31Mikachuwhat i can promise though, is that seeking 3 seconds ahead works while seeking 2 minutes ahead makes it skip tracks
00:21:39Mikachulostlogic: my pcm buffer is 20MB or so
00:21:43Mikachu;)
00:21:46lostlogicMikachu: never mind you then.
00:22:00lostlogiccan anyone with a _normal_ sized buffer recreate?
00:22:14Poka64sorry to bother you with this, nayone using rockbox on 2GB ipod mini ?
00:22:23infamisit's skipped tracks when fast-forwarding a great distance for me
00:22:33infamishaven't messed with any buffer sizes
00:23:01lostlogicinfamis: so you seek forward far and it changes tracks instead of seeking to the right place? even if you don't seek to very near the end fo the track?
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00:23:41Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: This is very strange. I honestly don't know where the problem could be. I mean, I'd guess it was a hardware initialization thing, if anything.
00:23:50Paul_The_NerdPoka64: Do you mean Second Generation?
00:24:02infamislostlogic: correct; when I let go of the fast-forward button, the next track starts playing. I'll have to see whether or not I'm near the end of a track
00:24:38etherzhiya guys
00:24:50Poka64Paul_The_Nerd, no, the 2GB version
00:24:54etherzi just read about the rockbox project on slashdot
00:24:57lostlogicinfamis: kk, anywho, I'm out. /msg or wiki for playback bugs until later.
00:24:58MikachuPoka64: aren't they 3 or 6GB?
00:25:03Poka64no
00:25:04brendan_Paul_The_Nerd, is there any more debug output i could send you?
00:25:34Paul_The_Nerdbrendan_: Nothing that I personally could do anything with. I basically serve as a first line of technical support. I'd almost hazard that something's gone wrong with your bootloader, though I can't imagine what.
00:25:42Paul_The_NerdPolka64: Is it a 1st or 2nd generation then?
00:25:47Poka641st
00:25:54crashdbrendan_: is this a new problem?
00:25:54Paul_The_NerdThe 1st gen isn't supported
00:26:01Poka64k, thx hehe
00:26:25etherzquick question, audio playback on ipods is now mutifomat with this firmware
00:26:34Paul_The_NerdWe'll get to it, but none of the devs here has a 1st gen Mini.
00:26:47brendan_crashd, its the first time i installed rockbox, so i'm not sure
00:26:47etherzany chance video will be multi format playback on the ipod video with this firmware in the future?
00:26:51Paul_The_Nerdetherz: Technically it's multiformat with the default firmware. But we do support MORE formats than them.
00:26:51crashdbrendan_: ah, ok
00:27:04crashdbrendan_: so, you're sure you got the right bootloader AND build from the rockbox website?
00:27:04Paul_The_Nerdetherz: We don't support video at all though, and it's not likely to happen particularly soon.
00:27:18brendan_crashd, i may have made a mistake settings it up, but i'm not sure what i could do to mess that up
00:27:27etherzokay
00:27:52etherzthanks, i dont even have an ipod i just thought it would be sweet tho!
00:28:07etherzgreat idea you guys have
00:28:09etherz cya
00:28:14*Mikachu feels sorry for Bagder 2mbit server
00:28:15crashdbrendan_: you got the ipod colour/photo bootloader, and the rockbox colour/photo build?
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00:28:46Poka64Paul_The_Nerd, thx for the info :)
00:29:13brendan_crashd, bootloader-color.bin rockbox-ipodcolor-20060414.zip
00:29:24crashdhums
00:29:28brendan_crashd, those are the files i downloaded
00:29:43crashdi dont have a colour, i must admit, but if there had been problems i thought someone would have reported it by now
00:29:52crashddid you make some screenshots for paul?
00:29:58Paul_The_Nerdcrashd: I'm pretty sure Linuxstb even has an Ipod Photo.
00:30:28brendan_crashd, yes, but they look right(16bit color)
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00:30:31Paul_The_Nerdcrashd: I haven't seen the screenshots, but he said they come out the proper depth, which is why I'm assuming it's a hardware initialization thing. The fact that it doesn't screw up the RetailOS makes me think it's *less* likely part of the bootloader, but that's not guaranteed.
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00:30:54crashdhazum
00:31:01crashdbrendan_: do you have a digital camera?
00:31:05peturlostlogic: skipping got worse with your latest commit: when fast skipping, WPS data is much more off now and playback gets full of glitches
00:31:25brendan_crashd, yes
00:31:40crashdbrendan_: could you maybe take a screenshot within rockbox, and take the same screenshot from your camera
00:31:46crashdand then send them over?
00:31:58brendan_crashd, ok
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00:34:04crashdhmmm
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00:34:23crashdnow, thinking on it, there was a post on the forum from someone who had 4g colour problems
00:34:41bluebrotherBadger, in?
00:34:42crashdbrendan_: are you using the current version of the ipod retailos firmware and so on ?
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00:39:13brendan_crashd, i'm not sure, i just installed the firmware off the cd when i got it(and converted it to fat)
00:39:29crashdand you haven't updated the firmware since then?
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00:40:08Mikachubrendan_: did you do the converting in windows?
00:40:15brendan_yes
00:40:19Mikachuokay
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00:40:30Mikachuif you do it in linux and don't give -F 32 to mkdosfs, very funny things happen
00:40:34brendan_i didn't really convert, i just used the software on the cd to wipe it
00:40:46crashdMikachu: like, fucking with the screen depth?
00:40:51crashdbrendan_: http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/
00:41:05Mikachuwell no, but maybe it would have some strange random effects i dunno
00:41:07crashdyour best bet is to update to the most recent apple firmware and reinstalling rockbox
00:41:22crashdMikachu: possibly aye, but i would have thought it'd be more 'not booting' or 'weird disc stuff'
00:41:41Mikachuit boots but it doesn't find the config sector to write
00:41:41crashdthere was a post on the froum a few weeks back about a guy who was running rockbox on a 4g colour, and his retailos was really old, and it was screwing with the colours
00:41:47crashdso it's worth a shot
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00:42:40crashdyou might have to reinstall rockbox too, but it's no biggy :)
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00:43:13Tarantulafudgehey guys
00:43:18brendan_crashd, the screenshots are at office.resara.com/ipod/
00:43:26crashdok, cool brendan_
00:43:34crashdgive the apple updated a shot too, and tell me how you get along
00:43:40Tarantulafudgeis there any planned support for substandard players?
00:43:48brendan_crashd, oops, theres an extra photo in there
00:43:56Tarantulafudgelike the sandisk m230
00:44:08MikachuTarantulafudge: porting to a new player is a big undertaking
00:44:20brendan_crashd, it wil be a while before i can get to a windows computer
00:44:33crashdhazum
00:44:34crashdwine!
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00:45:44Paul_The_NerdTarantulafudge: There's never really planned support for any specific player. It takes someone to come along and just do it.
00:45:44Mikachuvmware might have a chance of working
00:45:56crashdvmware would work fine
00:46:03crashdif you had a windows guest setup :)
00:46:05MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: isn't that usually LinusN? :)
00:46:06TarantulafudgePaul_The_Nerd: how would someone begin ?
00:46:29Paul_The_NerdTarantulafudge: When the wiki starts not being /.ed, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
00:46:59Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Naaah. For example he had nothing to do with the Ipod ports really. Of the in-progress IFP or Gigabeat(kinda) ones.
00:47:27Mikachuah okay
00:47:37crashdbrendan_: those pics are a bit blurry, but i can see the low colour depth
00:47:42crashdwell, unless the pics are meant to be like that ;)
00:48:54TarantulafudgeI see
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00:53:46brendan_crashd, yea, my camera wouldn't focus for some reason
00:54:18crashdyeah
00:54:23crashdwell, when you get to upgrade the retailos, give us a ring
00:54:29nleUm, hello, I got a question. I would like to install rockbox on my 20gb 4g ipod, but I dont have access on a windows machine. I use OS X. The problem is that I cant find any partiton table for my ipod (ipod 4g 20gb). Can anyone help?
00:54:29crashdi think that may well fix it though
00:55:05brendan_crashd, hopefully
00:55:35crashdyou could probably upgrade with just the .exe file from linux, and some creative command lines
00:55:40crashdif you were feeling adventurous
00:58:31Paul_The_Nerdnle: Unfortunately that means nobody's donated one for us yet. Until someone does you'll either need to go without rockbox, or get access to a Windows machine. If you do get access to a windows machine, we'd of course appreciate a donation of the MBR. ;-)
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01:01:20nlePaul_The_Nerd: Thanks for the answer! I can maybe try to install VirtualPC and get my ipod up and running there, but I dont have access on either vpc or windows right now, so I guess I haveto wait. :(
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01:02:05nlebut if I get anywhere with vpc I will gladly donate the mbr
01:02:10Paul_The_Nerdnle: Yes, unfortunately the only way to install on an HFS+ formatted Ipod from MacOS requires replacing the MBR, and we only have available what people have given us.
01:03:33nlebtw. how do I get the MBR of the ipod
01:03:34nle?
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01:04:56Paul_The_Nerdnle: I think they're done simply using dd if=whatever_your_ipods_boot_partition_is of=filename.bin
01:05:48nlek, thx
01:05:49nle:)
01:05:59crashdbedtime, nn all
01:06:00linuxstbThe MBR is just the first sector on the disk. So in Mac OS X, you do "dd if=/dev/disk2 of=mbr.bin count=1"
01:06:02Paul_The_NerdOf course you'd do this after converting to fat32, but *before* installing rockbox
01:06:42nleyes, of course
01:06:42nle:)
01:06:43Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Just the person I wanted to see. Any idea why someone with an Ipod Photo is getting low colour depth in Rockbox (describes it as looking like 16 colors in plugins/etc)?
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01:07:03crashdthe retailos! i tells you, it's the retailos!
01:07:03crashd; )
01:08:30linuxstbYes, it could be the retailos (specifically, the flash-based bootloader) initialising the LCD differently to newer versions.
01:08:42crashdthat's how the issue on the forum was resolved anyway
01:09:02crashdand brendan said he only installed the s/w from the cd, and hadnt updates since
01:09:21linuxstbHopefully that's the reason.
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01:21:15***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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01:25:28Paul_The_NerdWait a second, NOW Jewels gets attention as a copyright violation? And aren't there plenty of open source implementations of it that don't get flak?
01:26:28bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd: have you read my mail or has someone else gotten also one?
01:26:44Paul_The_NerdJust read the email
01:27:02Mikachudidn't you rename it and everything?
01:27:14Mikachuunless they have a patent there's pretty much nothing they can do i think
01:27:24bluebrotherI really don't understand their point.
01:28:07Mikachuyou can give them a % of rockbox winnings from sales
01:28:13Mikachubut don't tell them that's 0
01:28:31bluebrotherit was renemed to Jewels from Bejeweled. Due to copyright issues, but until it popped out as plugin for rockbox I hadn't heard of the game at all.
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01:28:54bluebrotherdamn, it in the middle of the night and I need to react to something like this.
01:29:16webguest54Whats the program for the ipod that plays my itunes music on rockbox (and it shows the band name)
01:29:31Paul_The_NerdWell, I mean isn't all our art from http://sebdelestaing.free.fr/gweled/ ? Why is that still around?
01:29:37webguest54Whats the program for the ipod that plays my itunes music on rockbox (and it shows the band name)
01:29:46RotAtoRPaul_The_Nerd: yes all the art is from there
01:29:51bluebrotherwhat do you mean by "itunes music"?
01:29:57Paul_The_Nerdwebguest54: No need to repeat yourself like that. Do you mean TagCache?
01:30:02RotAtoRjust read the email, very strange
01:30:02webguest54Well u can acess your itunes music
01:30:09webguest54I believe thats it
01:30:19bluebrotherwhat is "itunes music"?
01:30:20Mikachuthat would be rockbox then
01:30:20webguest54It shows the band and song names and everything s on order
01:30:33webguest54Im using rockbox
01:30:36Mikachuthen you're all set
01:30:37bluebrotherah. You mean song database?
01:30:40webguest54SO i have to copy allll my music to my ipod again?
01:30:42webguest54Yeahh
01:30:49ShonkyDoes Daniel Sternberg visit here? I'd like to ask hima couple of questions.
01:31:00bluebrotheruse tagcache?
01:31:13webguest54tagcache?
01:31:15bluebrothers/\?/\./
01:31:28MikachuShonky: he's here right now!
01:31:52Paul_The_Nerdwebguest54: There's a wiki page for it, entitled TagCache.
01:31:52bluebrothertagcache builds a database from all your music's metadata.
01:31:57ShonkyMikachu: What's his nick?
01:32:03webguest54I shall look thank you
01:32:03MikachuBagder
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01:32:10bluebrotherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache
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01:32:27bluebrotherhmm, this webclient is somewhat laggy.
01:32:30webguest54There is no wiki page
01:32:38webguest54tagcache
01:32:44bluebrotherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache
01:32:47Paul_The_NerdThere is a wiki page for TagCache
01:33:01webguest54thanks blue
01:33:02bluebrotherI mentioned the link the moment your irc client went off.
01:33:10webguest54Woops
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01:33:24ShonkyBadger: Are you there? I'm guessing not if you didn't see me asking for you.... unless you have a bot looking for your nick...
01:33:32webguest54Thanks all
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01:34:07MikachuShonky: BAGDER
01:34:28ShonkyOops
01:34:38ShonkyBagder: Hello?
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01:38:14scottderBadger...BADGERS, we don't need now steekin badgers!
01:39:51Mikachuhello, i would like a license for my pet badger eric
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01:40:59webguest69Are they updating ipod video rockbox alot?
01:41:17Paul_The_NerdThey update rockbox alot, yes
01:41:28bluebrotherI'd say daily ;-)
01:41:36bluebrotheror, even more often.
01:41:42Paul_The_NerdDepends on the time period
01:41:54Paul_The_NerdRight now, LOTS because Lostlogic is kinda insane like that
01:41:55Shonkyscottder: There are no badgers here as I just found out.
01:42:19bluebrotherRockbox hasn't been released for ipod officially, so everything you can get now is pretty much work in progress.
01:42:24Chrononhmm. I thought that there is a feature freeze, so no new CVS updates until May 1
01:42:32bluebrotherjust read the cvs log on the frontpage.
01:42:44bluebrotherfeature freeze means no new _features_
01:42:57webguest69Okay so when u goto that page with the picture of devices Under IPOD video you click :"Newest: ?
01:42:58Paul_The_NerdChronon: Feature freeze means LOTS of CVS updates. Just none that add features. Bugfixes and the like
01:42:59Chrononok
01:43:02Chronon gotcha
01:43:17Chrononconcentrated on finalizing code for existing features
01:43:30webguest69?
01:43:48Paul_The_Nerdwebguest69: The daily builds page gives you a build made once per day, the CVS builds page gives you the newest version period, with all changes up until when it was made.
01:43:55webguest69You guys can boost the volume on ur ipod here >> http://www.ringom.no/espen/euPOD_Pro.zip
01:44:15webguest69So its more wise to wait til the next release?
01:44:16Paul_The_Nerdwebguest69: That has nothing to do with rockbox...
01:45:19Paul_The_Nerdwebguest69: Well, there hasn't *been* a release for Ipod yet. It's "wisest" to download the newest version every now and then. If you get a particularly buggy one, use a slightly older version. Once you find one that has very few, or no, bugs that affect you, and has the features you like, stick with it until something you HAVE to have comes along.
01:46:14webguest69okay so maybe every day goto that page with the Ipod video picture and click "Latest:" and download that? If so which file do I actually put on my ipod root?
01:46:45ts-xUgh - that Bejeweled thing looks semi legitimate => http://www.popcap.com/aboutus.php
01:46:52ChrononJust extract the zip to the root of your ipod
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01:47:16Chronontell it to overwrite all files and it'll work, webguest69
01:47:40Paul_The_Nerdwebguest69: Have you read the installation instructions? Once you've finished installing the bootloader, all you have to do is extract a rockbox.zip to put the newest version on.
01:47:44webguest69Oh I see and my original files that i added (ex:doom) will stay
01:47:49bluebrotherI need to leave now. Sleep was originally scheduled about 2 hours earlier. Damn mail :(
01:47:51webguest69Okay
01:47:56bluebrotherwebguest69: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
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01:48:34Paul_The_Nerdts-x: Well, someone else could've read that and then forged the letter. But it seems best to assume it's real and query as to what grounds they're claiming copyright infringement on specifically (I'd say)
01:51:03ts-xThe screens look strikingly similar as well => http://www.popcap.com/launchpage.php?theGame=diamondmine
01:51:39bluebrotherthe mail headers indicate a popcap.com server with correct ip.
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01:52:14bluebrotherbut what'd be the deal with the "deluxe" version they sell? Just bigger screen size? More icons? Themes?
01:52:19Paul_The_Nerdts-x: Our art comes from a GPL'ed bejeweled clone anyway, so everything we use is on an assertion from someone else that it's legit.
01:52:32ts-xAhhh
01:53:08bluebrotheranyway, I've got to go for now. I guess I need to read the logs tomorrow ...
01:53:22Paul_The_NerdSo, if ours is really infringing, the other one definitely was first.
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01:54:26ts-xMaybe Febs can lend some insight (since he's an attorney in the States)
01:54:34Paul_The_NerdAnd I'm fairly certain the gameplay itself was not created by Popcap, since I think I remember playing games like that in the pre-WWW era.
01:54:58MikachuZooo for gba is very similar, but maybe they've licensed the idea
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01:57:45webguest85Hi quick question
01:58:02ts-xI wonder if all of the recent publicity led them here...damn you / . ;)
01:58:13webguest85When playing music on rockbox. How do I get back into the root (.rockbox. notes etc
01:58:25Mikachuone of the buttons should do it
01:58:25webguest85(Are you talking about digg.com?)
01:58:28Paul_The_NerdDo you want to stop the music?
01:58:37webguest85Well just go back to the root menu
01:58:39Paul_The_NerdOr do you want to get to the filetree while the music continues playing?
01:58:40Mikachu/. = slashdot.org
01:58:54webguest85Back to the root
01:58:57webguest85menu
01:59:03ts-xIt's on digg as well
01:59:05Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: Hold Play/Pause for about 1-2 second if you want to stop the music. Just tap select if you want the music to continue
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01:59:15webguest85Lemme try
01:59:18Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: The filetree and the menu are two different things...
01:59:29webguest85From dig
01:59:29webguest85http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223
01:59:32webguest85menu
01:59:33*Paul_The_Nerd suggests reading the manual
01:59:37webguest85File tree is the ipod root correct?
01:59:41Paul_The_NerdYes
01:59:47webguest85yes file tree
01:59:56Paul_The_NerdThen it's the Select button.
02:00
02:00:13Paul_The_NerdThere's a manual available at the site, and I would recommend greatly reading it.
02:00:31webguest85I dont haev the time to read a PDF with 88888 pages
02:00:32Mikachunot greatly recommend then? /me hides
02:00:34webguest85Sorry
02:00:43Mikachuwebguest85: we don't have time to rewrite what's already in the manual
02:00:50Mikachuto you on irc
02:01:11webguest85You can easily reword it too "menu button for 2 seconds"
02:01:25Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: Why do you think it's somebody else's responsibility to hand you information that you can't be bothered to get yourself?
02:01:35webguest85This is an irc for help....
02:01:37Mikachuno
02:01:43Paul_The_Nerd"Help" is for "Problems"
02:02:06Paul_The_Nerd"I can't be bothered to demonstrate my position as a member of literate society by reading the instructions for a piece of software I choose to use" is not a "Rockbox problem" it is a "User problem"
02:02:19webguest85I love you
02:02:25Chrononheheh
02:02:40MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: that is one of the politer RTFM i have seen in a while :)
02:02:43webguest85=D
02:03:06Paul_The_NerdMikachu: You once asked how I stay sane? That's it right there. Coming up with new and interesting RTFM alternatives.
02:03:14Mikachuhehe
02:03:22webguest85lol
02:03:34Mikachui'm not sure it was me who asked, but i've wondered too
02:03:37webguest85I figured out the tagcache deal
02:03:45Paul_The_NerdAh, well somebody asked me.
02:03:48Paul_The_NerdSeveral people have asked me.
02:04:02webguest85It sucks that you have to change it to "show id3 files" to see the music you want. or else it dont show :(
02:04:25Mikachuyes omg there's a setting to do what you want and it's not on by default :((((((
02:04:45scottderThe Horror
02:04:48webguest85?
02:04:52scottderYou must make a friend of horror
02:05:13webguest85It shows my music "artist, album etc" But it dont show the other root folders :(
02:05:20*Mikachu mixes some mandrake root and eye of newt to concoct a friend of horror
02:05:38scottderroot folders?
02:06:02webguest85calendar ipod_control .rockbox
02:06:06Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: Well, if your music was in a "Music" folder, in perhaps the format \Music\Artist\Album\Track - Title.mp3 it'd show well in the file tree
02:06:20Paul_The_NerdBut I assume you've got it in the "compatible with itunes" format of "horribly obfuscated filenames of doom"
02:06:31webguest85But its taking it from Ipod_Control/music
02:06:44webguest85but If i goto that folder it shows the d123 d341 folders
02:06:49Paul_The_NerdYes
02:06:56Paul_The_NerdBecause TagCache shows music based on their Tags
02:07:01Paul_The_NerdAnd the directory tree shows it based on their filenames
02:07:11webguest85Yeah
02:07:17warthawgi think it is time to put some saint willie on the nano
02:07:29Paul_The_NerdSo, if you copied over music using the Ipod as a disk, rather than by way of Itunes, the music wouldn't get renamed, and you'd be set.
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02:07:35moochhi
02:07:47webguest85But sometimes I use the original firmware
02:07:50scottderYeah what Paul_The_Nerd
02:07:52moochif i install rockbox on my ipod5g, do i loose the music I have already there?
02:08:00webguest85no mooch
02:08:02Paul_The_NerdI personally, and I suspect many here, actively advocate the growth of users beyond the constraints of music management software that prevents you from having personal control of the state of your music. :)
02:08:06moochgreat!
02:08:15Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: Why do you use the original to listen to music?
02:08:15webguest85lol pauk
02:08:16webguest85paul*
02:08:22scottderBut as webguest85 is learning, itunes meses with file names
02:08:30webguest85because its complicated to navigate
02:08:46moochthe only problem i have is that my ipod claims to be in lock mode and it only mounts read-only under linux, so i might have to dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/ipod to clean it up
02:08:55scottderI copy music of and do Genre/Artist/Album
02:08:57moochor has anyone any idea how to solve that?
02:09:01scottdercouldn't be easier to navigate
02:09:14webguest85If I want to use tag cache. I have to goto general settings>file view> then show ID3 files Then theres my music! But The rest of my root files dont show.
02:09:30Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: I thought you said you listened to music in the Retail OS
02:09:52webguest85I vary between the 2
02:09:57Paul_The_NerdIt doesn't make sense to me to listen to it in both. I can understand doing music in retail, and games/etc in Rockbox. Or doing Music in Rockbox, and only using retail for video...
02:11:00webguest85Well since i got that sound booster. Perhaps for retail os ill use it as music/videos and rockbox for apps/games :) thanks paul
02:11:15Paul_The_NerdI would suggest simply learning to use Rockbox for Music
02:11:27Paul_The_NerdSeeing as Rockbox does support the full range of volume that the Ipod can output.
02:11:52webguest85Well I got the volume booster and it gets LOUD in retail os
02:12:03*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
02:12:10Paul_The_NerdAs I said, Rockbox supports the full range of the hardware.
02:12:22webguest85I know
02:12:32webguest85But I guess Im just to used to ipod os
02:12:45webguest85What kinda of things non music related can I do in rockbox on my 5g
02:12:53Paul_The_NerdNot many things.
02:13:00Paul_The_NerdSeeing as what it does is "Play music better"
02:13:06Paul_The_NerdThat's kinda its purpose
02:13:15Paul_The_NerdThere's a few games and other things, and a better jpeg viewer, but that's about it
02:13:53webguest85Could you hook me up with a link to the games? and how so a better music player?
02:14:01Paul_The_NerdThe games come with it...
02:14:27midkaybetter music player. haha.
02:14:29webguest85oh... I mean 3rd party gamses
02:14:32Paul_The_NerdAnd "Gapless, Crossfade, Crossfeed, several new formats, Parametric Equalizer, Replaygain, on the fly full playlist creation and saving"
02:14:45ts-xwebguest85 => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
02:14:50midkayi hope we don't get too many of these visits since the recent burst of publicity..
02:14:59webguest85thanks
02:15:04Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Were you laughing at whether or not it is a better music player?
02:15:15moochOgg is kind of the thing i am looking for
02:15:20mooch8)
02:15:20webguest85I just wish I knew how to make playlist and stuff. I did read the pdf and it hurts my mind
02:15:26midkayPaul_The_Nerd, no, at the fact that he "wants" a better music player, as if it's.. not integrated in rockbox or something.
02:15:29moochdoes it skip much playing Vorbis?
02:15:33midkayoh. never mind. misread that.
02:15:34webguest85All I wanna do is shuffle
02:15:45Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I've even to valid MP3s that the Retail OS won't play properly.
02:15:46midkayi thought he said he "wanted new plugins and a better music player"..
02:16:03webguest85i didnt say that
02:16:04midkayeven so, i hope.. pray.. this doesn't happen too often. :)
02:16:07Paul_The_Nerdmooch: On the Nano I can play Q8 vorbis without a problem.
02:16:16midkaywebguest85, *read* - i said "i thought he said", not "he said".
02:16:41Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'm already trying to prepare myself to be ready for the forums. I read the slashdot responses and it made me sad.
02:16:58webguest85Im prob gonna copy all my music into rockbox for the hell of it
02:17:00midkayPaul_The_Nerd, yeah..
02:17:02webguest85i got 25 gigs
02:18:00webguest85WHAT if I made a suffle, playlist file with Winamp and copied that file into rockbox!?
02:18:20Paul_The_NerdThen you could play it?
02:18:20midkaywhat if you just used tagcache? or did i miss something?
02:18:20moochPaul_The_Nerd: the problem is that i have ALL my music collection (circa 500 cds) in flac+vorbis, so now that i got a video 30gb i do not want to get into the trouble of converting again all the flacs into mp3s
02:18:25midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha.
02:18:35webguest85TAGCACHE
02:18:37Galois'A "wealth of codecs" is only really important when you are pirating your music from fellow people who cannot decide on a single standard and you don't want to have to be bothered to convert your booty before it goes to your player.' <−− shining example of piercingly inciteful slashdot commentary
02:18:40Galoiser, I meant insightful
02:18:42webguest85All I want to do is shuffle my music
02:18:44scottdervorbis r00lz!
02:18:44scottder:)
02:18:44Paul_The_Nerdmooch: Well, are they Q8 or higher vorbis, or lower than that?
02:18:59Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: Why did you just type TAGCACHE in all caps?
02:19:01midkayPaul_The_Nerd, your witty responses make the probably-upcoming hell almost worth it :)
02:19:08moochPaul_The_Nerd: i use -b 192, so dunno... ;)
02:19:12webguest85IS there a way to make a shuffle playlist with tagcache
02:19:18midkayHAHA.
02:19:31moochPaul_The_Nerd: my biggest problem is the issue with the lock hard disk...
02:19:32Paul_The_Nerdmooch: CBR vorbis is already a bad idea. But, those should have no problem playing. Q8 averages ~225ish, maybe higher.
02:19:53MoosMusepack r00lz ; )
02:20:11webguest85Can you make a shuffle playlist with tagcache?
02:20:11Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: Can winamp find all the files on your player to make a playlist? 'cuz you can then save the playlist in the root, switch to file view to launch the playlist. Playlist use has nothing to do with TagCache being enabled or disabled really
02:20:15scottderI've been trying Q3 vorbis files with pretty good results
02:20:22moochPaul_The_Nerd: i mean, i am ready to trash my ipod, but i have no idea how to solve the problem with accessing the hard disk...
02:20:22scottdercertainly good enough for portable listening
02:20:40Paul_The_Nerdmooch: That part I really don't know.
02:20:40moochPaul_The_Nerd: the kernels sets it into read-only mode for some stupid reason
02:21:09moochPaul_The_Nerd: i think i posted it somewhere...
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02:21:10webguest85Thats a great idea pal
02:21:11webguest85im gonna try
02:21:16webguest85im gonna try it
02:21:50Paul_The_Nerdwebguest85: If you do it *right* I guarantee it'll work. ;-)
02:22:32webguest85So ill open a folder through winamp and ill naviage to my ipod drive?
02:22:53webguest85Wow and winamp encodes it too
02:23:38Paul_The_NerdBasically, just add the Ipod Control folder to a playlist in Winamp, and then save it as an M3U playlist in the root of your ipod
02:24:02webguest85Thats the plan :)
02:24:20webguest85Testing now
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02:24:56webguest85WORKS Paul your my hero!
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02:25:12scottderNo applause just Paypal donations :)
02:25:17webguest85lol
02:25:21ashridahyou know, i'm wondering if there actually *are* any copyright violations or trademark violations in jewels. the name's still a little dodgy, but there's no copyright violation if you made all the art yourself (not to mention code), and there's no trademark violation if your art doesn't look like his (that's assuming he HAS a trademark on the art)
02:26:05scottderI just want Doom on my nano...all the cool kids have it!
02:26:06scottder:0
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02:26:13Paul_The_Nerdahsridah: The art definitely looks somewhat similar to Bejeweled, and there is the name thing. But that's aboug it.
02:26:15ashridahand unless he's trademarked the gameplay (which i doubt, or ID software would probably be the only company that can create FPS's)...
02:26:38Paul_The_Nerdashridah: Not to mention I swear I played the same game on my NES before Popcap even existed.
02:26:38scottderashridah: don't give them ideas!
02:27:11ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: time to hit the NES game archives then
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02:27:48Paul_The_Nerdashridah: Yeah. Well, maybe not NES unfortunately, but I do have fairly clear memories of a very pixellated game with identical or very nearly identical gameplay
02:27:54qwmcan i use rockbox to make toast
02:28:30ashridahso what's this recent slashdotting anyway?
02:28:37ashridahah, nevermind
02:28:51Paul_The_Nerdqwm: Make sure you have a LOT of very small MP3 files with tags on them, and then start a Tagcache Update. Lay plastic side down, and put the bread on the metal side.
02:29:18ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: heh
02:29:21qwmhaha.
02:29:23qwmexcellent idea!
02:29:23Alicia_RYeah, I found Rockbox through Slashdot, and figured I'd throw it on my iPod 5G. :l
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02:29:27Paul_The_NerdNote: This procedure may only be possible on HD based Ipods.
02:29:56Paul_The_NerdAlright, I have to go. I have a dinner to eat. I shall return later.
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02:30:50ashridahanyway, we need to rename jewels again (although i seriously object that "jewels" is close to "bejeweled", it's easier to remove any reference to jewel at all, and change the artwork so it's not similar in any way shape or form
02:30:57Alicia_RI managed to get the loader on there, but whenever I extract the rockbox firmware and other stuff like that to the root iPod directory, I get "Rockbox error: -1" upon rebooting it.
02:31:08ashridahthen he can only give us hell about the gameplay style.
02:31:14Alicia_RAnd upon checking the disc, the rockbox.ipod file is gone, and .rockbox is corrupt. :l
02:31:29scottderbestoned?
02:31:30scottder:)
02:32:47oboAlicia_R: can only suggest you fix any disk errors and re-extract rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder
02:32:50ashridahScootScat: haha
02:33:03Alicia_RYeah, I just restored the iPod and tried again.
02:33:06ashridahgod damn nick complete
02:33:16ashridahscottder: something like that.
02:33:56scottder:)
02:34:05ashridahAlicia_R: are you possibly not letting it finish writing before disconnecting the device?
02:34:45Alicia_RWhat do you mean? Windows XP says it's finished extracting to the root directory, so I wait a minute for good measure, then reboot the iPod.
02:35:11Alicia_RI get the -1 error, and upon checking root again, rockbox.ipod is gone. This is weird.
02:35:51ashridahAlicia_R: uh, don't you need to go for the whole "disconnect usb device" (you could be using firewire i guess)
02:36:11ashridahjust yanking it out isn't what i'd call conclusive :)
02:36:16Alicia_RI'm using USB. But that might be it.. lemme try again. :b
02:36:23scottderbe sure to eject it within Itunes
02:36:33scottderthat's what I do with my Nano
02:36:35Alicia_RAah, didn't think about that.
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02:37:49ashridahwoo. slashdot. kings of disinformation
02:37:55crwl\o/
02:37:58crwlindeed
02:37:59scottderget it right
02:38:05scottderkings of OLD disinformation
02:38:32crwldoes rockbox support ogg vorbis?!?! ;P it sounds HORRRID!
02:39:01scottder?
02:40:08scottderspeak in slashdotese "it 01nz j00~!"
02:40:39crwlz0rry!1
02:40:48scottder:)
02:41:18*scottder listens to Walter Piston in glorious OGG Vorbis Sound!
02:41:19scottder:)
02:41:24moochi will try rockbox tomorrow... ;)
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02:41:41roostishawhello?
02:42:18scottdergoodbye?
02:42:23roostishaw:D
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02:42:59roostishawhow long should it take to extract the 'bootpartition.bin' from my ipod?
02:44:11Galoissomebody mod my reply up :P
02:44:26*Galois took the troll seriously ... probably not good for one's health, but oh well
02:44:49ashridahGalois: which troll? practically the entire thread is full of them
02:44:51roostishaw...anyone know?
02:45:18Alicia_RThere we go. Restored iPod again, and now I've got the loader on and functioning. Adding the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder..
02:46:48Galoisthis one http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183106&cid=15130621
02:47:03Apostle^roostishaw: not long
02:47:03nleis there anyway to trick the ipod into not needing the external power adapter after a restore (ipod 4g).
02:47:13nlei dont have it here :/
02:47:57Galoisreset the ipod...
02:48:20roostishawApostle^, is the correct command dd if=/dev/sda2 of=bootpartition.bin ?
02:48:31TeaSeaIs there any way to trick the X5 into updating firmware without the adaptor? My friend really wants rockbox but can't find his adaptor :D
02:48:47Apostle^roostishaw: /dev/sda1 probably since '2' is usually the storage partition
02:49:20roostishawApostle^, ok, but how do i know thats my ipod and not my hdd ?
02:49:34Apostle^roostishaw: right after you plug in the hd type dmesg in a terminal
02:49:40Apostle^it will give you theright one like sdh
02:49:45Apostle^then you would do /dev/sdh
02:49:46Apostle^:-P
02:49:48Apostle^sdh1 *
02:50:13roostishawoh, nvm, got it. sda1 woked ... thank you! :D
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02:50:22MoosTeaSea: sorry, not as far I know. The adaptator is needed for the flashing process
02:50:28TeaSeaMoos: k
02:50:29TeaSeacheers
02:50:34Moosnp
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03:00:41MoosBye all !
03:00:53yobesoombi bi
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03:02:48webguest90Now I know I cant do this. but can someone give me a link to download a doom2.wad for free
03:03:46ashridahthere's a link to doom1's shareware wad on the plugin page for doom iirc
03:03:56midkaygoogle.com/search?q=doom+2+wad !!
03:03:58webguest90I need doom2
03:04:05ashridah"need" ?
03:04:10webguest90I googled it but....it doesnt show it
03:04:12TeaSeaAny rules against profanity?
03:04:15webguest90i need it for add ons
03:04:40webguest90I need it free. It doesnt show it in google
03:04:45midkayTeaSea, on irc? not specifically, but using it to excess isn't a good idea i think :)
03:04:46ashridahTeaSea: where?
03:04:50TeaSeahere.
03:05:04webguest90?
03:05:08midkaywebguest90, buy it or find it.. it's somewhat illegal to, you know, pirate stuff..
03:05:09ashridahi imagine we'd prefer that you don't use it
03:05:18TeaSeaAh okay :(
03:05:21yobesoomsome swede you are... home of the piracy party
03:05:25yobesoomyou should know where to go for these things
03:05:28TeaSeaI was going to just show the JFGI link.
03:05:41midkayjfgi?
03:05:43webguest90Please help me out
03:05:49yobesoomjfgi = just f'ing google it
03:06:06ashridahwebguest90: help you steal something you can probably find just by hitting up piratebay or something?
03:06:08midkayah..
03:06:17webguest90Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis?
03:06:19webguest90lol
03:06:24TeaSea:D
03:06:33webguest90I went to pirate bay.....but no seeders
03:06:38webguest90And google shows nothing
03:06:39ashridahbummer
03:06:50ashridahwell. can't help you then.
03:07:11yobesoomtry a filename that'd be more.. warezy. I give you no more hints.
03:07:25webguest90doom2.wad
03:07:31webguest90warezy...
03:07:31yobesoomno.
03:08:22webguest90?
03:08:27webguest90Whats warezy
03:09:38lostlogicmmm, wings and beer.
03:10:00webguest90:'(
03:10:14webguest90*sniffle*
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03:13:51ashridahyou know what rocks? restoring a dump of a mysql database. one. record. at. a. time
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03:14:07ashridah"Query OK, 1 row affected (0.01 sec)"
03:14:11ashridahover and over and over again
03:14:12midkayhaha.
03:14:17midkayscript?
03:14:20ashridahmotherfuckers, good thing i'm not on a timelimit
03:14:24ashridahmidkay: yeah
03:14:42ashridahbe nice if it was a mysql hot copy instead
03:14:58midkayhm..
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03:15:46ashridahah well
03:15:50ashridahlike i say, no time limit
03:16:35ashridahof course, i could probably have sped it up by finding some way to do it and redirect the output to a file instead of the terminal
03:16:41ashridah(then i'd be able to check for failures too)
03:17:00webguest90MMMMMMMMMMMM CHEESE BURGER
03:17:46ashridahheh. yep, definently think the xterm is the bottleneck, it's chewing 75% cpu
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03:21:20ashridahyeah. great thing about slashdot exposure... wait. what am i saying, there *is* no great thing about slashdot exposure.
03:22:43CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 35 seconds at the last flood
03:22:43*ts-x shakes fist at /.
03:24:53BHSPitLappyoh sorry guys
03:25:06BHSPitLappyI thought I was in a different, less professional tab
03:25:10*BHSPitLappy embarrased
03:26:39*ts-x goes back to listening to his *HORRID* ogg vorbis files ;) http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183106&cid=15130058
03:27:26ashridahand lets not forget the nasty run-on nature of gapless playback
03:27:28TeaSeaHaha yes.
03:27:34TeaSeats-x: That comment was hilarious.
03:27:54TeaSeaHas he been listening to quality 0 vorbis or something? :D
03:27:58TeaSeaEven then it's still better than mp3.
03:28:06TeaSeaHe just likes the sound of CORPORATE DOOM in his ears.
03:28:19warthawgi have a question
03:28:30dpassen1-q -2 maybe
03:28:33warthawgare the slashdot comments better or worse than the digg comments
03:28:59lostlogicwhat the heck is goin' on in here?
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03:29:51midkaylostlogic, slashdot_idiots is what's going on in here...
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03:30:53lostlogic:)
03:33:05kidd3ckzdon't flame- quick q: vid supported on 5g with rockbox firmware ?
03:34:55ts-xno
03:35:15ts-xHave to boot retailos for that
03:35:58kidd3ckzok one more, will anapod manager work with it?
03:36:05ashridahkidd3ckz: sadly, the video chipset in the 5g's is poorly documented at best, and broadcom (naturally) aren't being helpful, so vid support is going to be a long long while
03:36:33kidd3ckzwho u gotta hack to get the docs?
03:36:45kidd3ckz:)
03:36:46lostlogickidd3ckz: broadcom
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03:37:03lostlogickidd3ckz: but rather than broadcom, go after portalplayer for specs for the pp5021c
03:37:15lostlogic:)
03:37:41kidd3ckz:)
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03:40:08VoltageXonce rockbox is built, what parts do i copy to my player?
03:40:48thoutersVoltageX: make zip
03:40:50thoutersand unzip the zip
03:43:25thoutersVoltageX: what are you trying to do (I'm trying to fix the calendar.c so I can use it to view my class schedule:-)
03:44:44VoltageXbuild rockbox so i can see if my plugin works
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03:45:04VoltageXbut when it's built, build/ contains a lot of source files mixed with binaries
03:45:29thoutersit's mentioned on the website somewhere
03:45:45thoutersmake zip/ unzip works fine for me :)
03:45:55thouterswhat plugin did you write?
03:46:22VoltageXallyourbase.rock :)
03:46:28VoltageXit's just a helloworld
03:46:52thouters:)
03:46:53VoltageXI did make bzip2
03:47:02midkayyou only need to copy apps/plugins/allyourbase.rock to test changes..
03:47:16VoltageXoh yeah *slaps forehead
03:47:18thoutersgood point there :P
03:47:21midkaythat's builddir/apps/plugins/allyourbase.rock - make sure your rockbox build is up-to-date though.
03:47:44midkaymaybe make zip and install it the first time, and for later tests just make and then copy the rock.
03:48:04thoutersyou can cut some of the plugins out of SOURCES, if you want it to compile faster ;)
03:48:17VoltageXcan you make a .rock without the whole rockbox?
03:48:58ashridahno-one's really exported a development environment yet
03:49:58thoutersVoltageX: the build doesn't compile already compiled files again
03:50:15thoutersso it doesn't slow your trail and error that mutch
03:50:28VoltageXwtf...the file isn't there
03:50:52warthawggood time to catch up on latest daily build, i reckon
03:50:53VoltageXand there's no helloworld.c either
03:52:10thoutersVoltageX: did you include the file in SOURCES?
03:52:32VoltageXno, helloworld.c was never downloaded from CVS
03:52:44thouterswell, in apps/plugins
03:52:46VoltageXwas it removed? (there was something in the wiki about it)
03:52:48thoutersis a file named SOURCES
03:53:02thoutersall cfiles listed in there get compiled
03:53:25thoutersfigured that one out myself, took me a few mins, though
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03:55:22thoutersmmm, when I disconnect my nano from diskmode, I get a b/w battery symbol with a ! symbol
03:55:38warthawgnext song is right :)
03:56:39scottderthouters: happens to me too
03:56:42scottderjust reboot
03:57:04thoutersif it's common then I don't mind
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04:02:09thoutersIs this correct (bubbles.c) the help says RIGHT+LEFT to resume, now BUBBLES_RESUME is defined as BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_LEFT
04:04:44VoltageXoh dear... compiling my plugin, a page of errors
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04:06:47VoltageX"No rule to make playback_control.h
04:06:50VoltageXwtf?
04:07:41thoutersweird
04:07:46thouterswell, i'm gonna get some sleep
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04:13:22brendan_does anyone know how to update the apple firmware without an external power supply?
04:14:02brendan_Mine broke, and i tried to update the firmware, but won't let me finish untill i connect it to a power supply
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04:21:04Jungti1234hi all
04:21:23BHSPitLappyhi one
04:21:29Jungti1234:)
04:21:45lostlogicJungti1234: did you see my patch to test?
04:21:50Jungti1234no
04:22:03Jungti1234here is not home
04:22:15lostlogicJungti1234: ah, so no patch now?
04:22:22Jungti1234wait..
04:22:32Jungti1234I'll try it
04:22:38Jungti1234now
04:23:12lostlogichttp://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/main_menu_scroll.patch
04:23:16Jungti1234thanks
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04:23:26HyenBeenHi
04:23:30lostlogicshould maek the long strings scroll adn doesn't seem to break non-long strings.
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04:24:23lostlogicMikachu: still able to break the buffer?
04:24:44webguest68SSi bbal Jang nan Hea ?
04:25:03lostlogicwebguest68: this is an english channel.
04:25:20webguest68Ni Mi Bea GGob JJab Nya?
04:26:10VoltageXanyone care to help a noob? my helloworld.c isn't compiling
04:29:01webguest68fuck you !!
04:29:14webguest68Noob - you
04:29:20webguest68im not noob
04:29:21webguest68Fycj
04:29:47webguest68fuck you
04:29:49webguest68fuck you
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04:29:53webguest68fuck you
04:29:57webguest68thx !!
04:30:06scottderwelcome to ignore webguest68
04:30:08scottderidiot
04:30:20scottderIsn't it past your bedtime
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04:34:14webguest68Deac in Fuck you
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04:34:48webguest68fuck u
04:34:52webguest68Why not?
04:34:57webguest68you fuck !!
04:35:00webguest68 thx ^^;
04:35:09cacophonyI cant find a screenshot page on the site
04:35:14cacophonythats uncommon for open source projects
04:35:42Jungti1234for what?
04:35:44ts-xcacophony: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
04:35:47lostlogiccacophony: there are WPS galleries, but each persons screen shots are rather different, and the overall rockbox is just text menus
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04:35:55webguest38hey guys
04:36:08webguest68why?
04:36:18webguest68why sir?
04:36:23webguest38can anyone help me out with patching?
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04:36:32VoltageXthat's an interesting bot webguest
04:36:33webguest38i cant seem to get it
04:36:34webguest68Fuck u
04:36:42webguest38?
04:36:42cacophonyah
04:36:44VoltageXhi webguest
04:36:45webguest68you a ga ri closed
04:36:47VoltageXhi webguest
04:36:49ashridahVoltageX: it's not a bot, it's a http->irc gateway
04:36:55VoltageXoh
04:36:56webguest38hi
04:37:02webguest68a ga ri da mu ro SSi BBA RA
04:37:02cacophonydoes the version for the video ipod, play videos?
04:37:13webguest68Fuck man Shout up !
04:37:34webguest38does anyone know how to patch?
04:37:35ashridahcacophony: no, and it's likely to be a while before it does. that said, the unit can dual-boot, so you won't lose the functionality
04:37:41ashridahwebguest38: which model player?
04:37:42Jungti1234hmm
04:37:48ashridahand what bit are you having trouble with?
04:37:55webguest38the ipod g4
04:37:56CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
04:37:56*ashridah assumes ipod given the recent /. story
04:38:20webguest38i have the patches i need but do not know how to apply them
04:38:34webguest38i have tried through the command line
04:38:37webguest68Fuck you
04:38:41Jungti1234webguest68: Please be quiet
04:38:50webguest38but keep getting hunk errors
04:38:53VoltageXWTF? why does webguest keep saying fuck you
04:39:08ashridahVoltageX: because he's a tool
04:39:16webguest38an IRC tool
04:39:17VoltageXok
04:39:18lostlogicwebguest38: then the patches aren't applying cleanly, they might be out of date from the latest CVS that you have.
04:39:29webguest38hmm
04:39:31webguest38ok
04:39:37webguest38i'll try and get the latest
04:39:41VoltageXlostlogic: would you mind helping me to get my helloworld to compile?
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04:40:16roostishawhi, how do i save my settings?
04:40:17lostlogicVoltageX: you were serious about that, eh? sure, pastebin it.
04:40:28lostlogicroostishaw: main menu|manage settings|save .cfg file
04:40:35VoltageXlostlogic: I gotta start somewhere
04:40:37roostishawthen...
04:40:50roostishawwill it load automatically from then on?
04:41:06lostlogicroostishaw: no, there are active settings which are saved in a special sector and those load automatically
04:41:32lostlogicbut if something resets them or an imcompatible version of the settings block comes out then you will need to load from a .cfg file
04:41:40lostlogicso you can go to manage settings -> load .cfg file to load one
04:41:42roostishawso whats the point of even going through the trouble of customizing all the setting if they're not saved?
04:41:54lostlogicroostishaw: they _are_ in a special sector, as I said
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04:42:12lostlogicand loaded by default... the .cfg files are just for saving different batches of settings for different purposes
04:42:21roostishaw...ok, so they do load on startup?
04:42:23lostlogicor so you can restore your settings after an incompatible upgrade
04:42:29lostlogicrightr, but not from a .cfg file
04:42:32Paul_The_NerdOr for transferring settings from one unit to another
04:42:34roostishawjust installed
04:42:46lostlogicsaving and loading on boot are completely automatic unless there is an incompatible settings block version
04:42:48Jungti1234oh
04:42:49webguest38yeah, my patches still arent working
04:42:49Jungti1234lostlogic
04:42:52lostlogicJungti1234: yes?
04:42:54Jungti1234It works fine
04:42:58Jungti1234very nice
04:43:01lostlogicJungti1234: ok, will commit
04:43:04Jungti1234:) thanks
04:43:07Jungti1234ahh
04:43:08Jungti1234hey
04:43:26roostishawlostlogic, what is an incompatable upgrade?
04:43:48Jungti1234lostlogic?
04:44:01webguest38so, can anyone help me out with this?
04:44:01lostlogicroostishaw: the config sector is a binary on disk format, with explicit bit sizes for each field, so if we add another bit to a field, it is invalid.
04:44:17webguest68Fuck u !!
04:44:22webguest68aLL Shout up !!
04:44:24Jungti1234hey webguest68
04:44:24lostlogicwebguest38: I already told you what the problem most likely is, you either have to resolve the conflicts by hand or wait for new patch versions from the creators
04:44:27webguest68Baby~~!!!!
04:44:29Jungti1234are you crazy?
04:44:30webguest68Dog baby~~
04:44:36webguest68BANsa
04:44:40Jungti1234:P
04:44:46webguest38i might be doing this improperly
04:44:47webguest68FUCK SUCK SATANG
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04:45:00webguest68TX !!
04:45:03webguest68TNX !!
04:45:05webguest68^^;
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04:45:19webguest68THN ^^'
04:45:23webguest68GKWLAK
04:45:28webguest68TBM
04:45:35webguest38i download the patch and then type "patch < patchname.txt" into the cli
04:45:47webguest38patchname.patch*
04:45:59lostlogicwebguest38: try patch -p0 < patchfile from your rockbox source directory.
04:46:15lostlogicVoltageX: you gonna paste me that code to help with?
04:46:43VoltageXlostlogic: yes, just reproducing the error
04:47:00lostlogicVoltageX: gotcha.
04:47:38Paul_The_Nerdwebguest38: What exact error message do you get?
04:48:17VoltageXgah, quick linux cli help... how do I redirect stderr to a file?
04:48:31lostlogicVoltageX: command 2> file
04:49:40VoltageXthanks
04:49:51webguest38the patch command keeps asking me for the file to patch
04:50:01VoltageXline numbers in paste will be off... http://pastebin.com/660826
04:50:10lostlogicwebguest38: did you try the command I said?
04:50:16webguest38yes
04:50:29lostlogicwebguest38: also, did you checkout or unpack a full rockbox source dir and are you in that dir?
04:50:35webguest38yes
04:50:41Paul_The_Nerdwebguest38: What folder are you running patch from? Is it the root folder of your source (the one that contains apps, firmware, and all the other folders)?
04:51:18webguest38i do not see folders like that
04:51:21lostlogicVoltageX: there aren't any include lines in your file? I believe that to be the issue
04:51:34Paul_The_Nerdwebguest38: Well, you're in the wrong folder. What folder are you in?
04:51:44webguest38im in .rockbox
04:52:08Paul_The_Nerdwebguest38: That's a folder from a BUILD of rockbox, not the source.
04:52:14webguest38oh
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04:52:25VoltageXlostlogic: so include <plugin.h>?
04:52:29webguest38so how do i get to the source?
04:52:44Paul_The_Nerdwebguest38: Have you read the pages relating to how to compile?
04:52:45lostlogicVoltageX: yeah, I think that's all you need #include <plugin.h> above the plugin header
04:52:59webguest38no
04:53:04webguest38where are they?
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04:53:10Paul_The_Nerdwebguest38: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
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04:54:04airwolf4everis rockbox the only thing working on a G5 Video ipod?
04:54:17lostlogicairwolf4ever: what do you mean?
04:54:29airwolf4everLike I got my Ipod last week
04:54:30airwolf4everit'
04:54:40airwolf4everit's a 30g ipod video
04:54:44airwolf4ever5g
04:54:56airwolf4everand I can't delete any songs off it
04:55:00airwolf4everexcept with Itunes
04:55:08lostlogicyes, that's now ipods work by default
04:55:17airwolf4everThats is so annoying
04:55:27airwolf4everLike when I'm done with a podcast
04:55:30Paul_The_NerdWell, Rockbox allows you to simply treat it as an external Hard Disk
04:55:31airwolf4everI want to get rid of it
04:55:32lostlogicthen you might want to try the latest CVS build of rockbox instead :)
04:55:51lostlogicairwolf4ever: unfortunately many podcasts contain DRM which rockbox does not supportt
04:56:06airwolf4everahh ok
04:56:20airwolf4everI was also doing some reasearch on Ipodlinux
04:56:35Paul_The_NerdWell, Ipodlinux serves a drastically different purpose
04:56:37airwolf4everdo you know if they support this new ipod?
04:56:41lostlogicipodlinux has much less music playing support than rockbox
04:56:43airwolf4everOhhh
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04:56:46airwolf4everok
04:56:59lostlogicand I don't think their 5g support is as good as ours, but don't quote me on that
04:57:11airwolf4everthats cool
04:57:27Paul_The_NerdIf your podcasts are MP3, you should be able to use them with Rockbox
04:57:32Jungti1234lostlogic
04:57:36lostlogicJungti1234: yes
04:57:40Paul_The_NerdIf they're AAC, the likelihood of them working properly drops drastically
04:57:41airwolf4everI think they are
04:57:43Jungti1234commit it
04:57:47Jungti1234only patch
04:57:50airwolf4everdoes rockbox also do video?
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04:58:09Jungti1234bye
04:58:09lostlogicJungti1234: where?
04:58:12Jungti1234no
04:58:17Jungti1234um
04:58:19lostlogicJungti1234: if you emailed it to me I didn't receive it.
04:58:27webguest38thanks for the help guys
04:58:28Jungti1234I didn't make it
04:58:41lostlogicJungti1234: I'm confused
04:58:43airwolf4everso no video playback on the video ipod
04:58:50Jungti1234commit only your patch
04:58:56Paul_The_Nerdairwolf4ever: Rockbox is primarily designed for Audio players, so no. It doesn't do video. And it probably won't support it soon, unless someone from outside comes up with a way, because there's too much work that can still be done to improve audio related features.
04:59:02lostlogicJungti1234: I did
04:59:07Jungti1234ok
04:59:08Jungti1234bye
04:59:10lostlogiclater
04:59:12airwolf4everok
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04:59:23Paul_The_Nerdairwolf4ever: But, Rockbox exists along side the original firmware, so you can reboot into it at any time to watch your videos, or listen to DRM wrapped podcasts
04:59:24airwolf4evercool thank you for all the info
04:59:34airwolf4everI still think the delete feature is worth it
04:59:45airwolf4everOh cool!
04:59:53airwolf4everand then I can boot intorockbox
04:59:59airwolf4everand delete stuf I dont want
05:00
05:00:11airwolf4everThats exactly what I want
05:00:49airwolf4everThanks Paul!! for all the info
05:00:51Paul_The_NerdWell, you can't really delete things that show up in the Retail OS very well from rockbox
05:01:10Paul_The_NerdIt does this crazy thing where it obfuscates the files by renaming them, and it has its own database which the files must be removed from, and so on.
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05:01:35Paul_The_NerdBut if they're MP3 podcasts, you can just copy them over normally (like an external hard disk) then listen to them in Rockbox, and delete them in Rockbox no problem
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05:03:13pirokohas anyone noticed a bug in at least the 4g ipod, maybe others, where the lcd doesn't fully turn off on shutdown, leaving a line behind?
05:03:23lostlogicpiroko: yeah, known
05:03:28Paul_The_NerdIt's fully turned off, it's just not cleared first.
05:03:30lostlogicpiroko: we don't have an LCD controller shutdown sequence
05:03:37pirokook just checking. thanks
05:04:08lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: am I forgetting any outstanding bugs in playback currently? I know about seeking into, or within the last pcmbufsecs of the track, anything else I'm forgetting?
05:04:25pirokocrossfade doesn't always work. it seems kinda random
05:04:36pirokobut i guess that's an extra feature
05:04:40Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: Not that I know of. It's a little hard to tell because half the time they're reporting a bug you fixed 2 or 3 hours before. =/
05:05:01pirokotesting out the newest version now...
05:05:04lostlogicpiroko: depends on pcm buffer level, watch the audio thread debug screen and see if it works when the pcm buffer is high and not when it's low
05:05:43lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: ahaha, whoops :-P Well as always let me know via /msg or wiki, I sleep now.
05:05:55lostlogicpiroko: if that's not the case then I might have broken crossfade on codec changes or something of that stupid sort.
05:06:12Paul_The_Nerdlostlogic: I'll let you know if anything particularly drastic shows up. :)
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05:06:15pirokolostlogic: well, it works more often if I increase the disk buffer...
05:06:43lostlogicpiroko: increase the antiskip buffer? weird.
05:06:55pirokoyeah. it won't crossfade at all if it's at 5 seconds
05:07:02pirokoi have it at 5 minutes
05:07:07pirokois there any harm in that?
05:07:17Paul_The_NerdBut the antiskip buffer should only affect the Compressed Buffer, right?
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05:07:17lostlogicpiroko: means the disk will spin up to rebuffer more often, but for less teim
05:07:25webguest38now im having trouble compiling
05:07:39lostlogicPaul_The_Nerd: probably less likely to be buffer filling during track transition with a higher watermark
05:07:44pirokoi don't understand why you'd want to keep the disk buffer low...
05:08:00lostlogicpiroko: you want to fill it as rarely as possible to reduce battery usage
05:08:02Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: It's not exactly what you think
05:08:06webguest38when i compile the source after patches i get this error: WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!
05:08:18Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: What you're actually setting is "How much compressed audio do I have to go below, before the buffer refills"
05:08:25lostlogicg'night rockboxers and slashdotters.
05:08:31webguest38then if i try to make anyway i get this make[1]: arm-elf-gcc: Command not found
05:08:36Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: So, at 5 minutes, you can have the disk fail to read for 5 minutes before you get a skip.
05:09:09lostlogicwebguest38: then you didnt' install a CrossCompiler as the instructions say to do.
05:09:11Paul_The_Nerdwebguest38: Then you don't have arm-elf-gcc in your path. It's a pretty clear error message. Are you on linux?
05:09:32ashridahwebguest38: what're you using for your development environment?
05:09:36webguest38no, im running the BSD subsystem on OSX
05:09:40pirokog'night lostlogic
05:09:43Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: In the end, this means that the lower you set the value, the longer it plays between disk reads, but the more likely you'll get a skip if a disk read fails.
05:09:55pirokowebguest: I CAN HELP!
05:10:04pirokowebguest: do you have darwin ports installed?
05:10:15webguest38no, i have fink
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05:11:07webguest38so i need to get the cross compiler and it should work?
05:11:33pirokoi personally have both, as they both have packages that the others don't. for instance, afaik fink doesn't have arm-elf-gcc. but darwin ports does
05:11:44webguest38hmm
05:11:46webguest38ok
05:11:51webguest38i'll try it out
05:11:51pirokoit's safe to run them both together
05:11:52webguest38thanks
05:12:12pirokodarwin ports uses /opt/local, fink uses /sw. no problem. once you get darwin ports running (not hard at all) a sudo fink install arm-elf-gcc
05:12:15pirokoshould suffice
05:12:40pirokotakes a while to compile though, so be prepared to wait for a bit. it works fine though.
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05:13:41pirokoPaul_The_Nerd: what do you recommend I set the anti skip buffer to for optimal battery usage/skip prevention?
05:14:22pirokodamn. the pcm buffer fills really fast now...
05:14:47Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: The lower you can set the anti-skip-buffer the better for the battery. So, basically, set it at the lowest, if you have skipping problems raise it a little, so on and so forth
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05:16:45pirokoah I get it now! if the buffer gets below 5 seconds, it will rebuffer, right? if I set it to five minutes, it will get below five minutes more often, and rebuffer more often, right? this doesn't effect _how much_ gets buffered.
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05:16:57Paul_The_NerdYeah
05:17:02Paul_The_NerdRockbox always uses as much as it can to buffer
05:17:11pirokoawesome. thanks for clarifying that for me :)
05:17:14dr3wsterHey everyone, I just have a quck question: Can I still easily view txt files while using tagcache?
05:17:29Paul_The_Nerddr3wster: Yes, by switching back to filetree mode and b rowsing to it.
05:17:31pirokohold menu to switch to supported view
05:18:01dr3wsterPaul_The_Nerd, and you do that by holding menu like piroko said?
05:18:19dr3wsterall right, thanks:)
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05:18:22Paul_The_NerdHolding Menu gives you the Quick Menu, then tapping Play/Pause cycles through various file views
05:18:29Paul_The_NerdAh well
05:18:40Paul_The_NerdMe and my accursed need to give full and complete answers
05:19:27ashridahheh. i always get a kick out of the clock applet in kde. set it to fuzzy mode, crank up the fuzziness, and all it says is "Weekend!"
05:19:48Paul_The_NerdHahaha
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05:22:09pirokoholy crap since when is tag cache working again? i've never had any luck with it and all of a sudden it seems semi-perfect
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05:22:29Paul_The_NerdHehehe
05:22:35Paul_The_NerdIt's been working well again for a while
05:22:46ashridahpiroko: tagcache? the initial version wasn't perfect, but it got sorted pretty quickly
05:22:51Paul_The_NerdWe like to sneak in the best fixes when people aren't looking.
05:23:02pirokoit left me with a blank artist list before
05:23:18ashridahcurious
05:23:50pirokosometimes I hate os x. it leaves all those retarded forks lying around like the .DS_STORE and ._<name of a file that already exists> ALL OVER THE PLACE and rockbox tries to play them and crashes... ARGH
05:23:53Paul_The_NerdThe first time I used it, when it first arrived, my first run ignored all my flacs, but a rerun after deleting the cache files, worked fine.
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05:24:12Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: There used to be a plugin that would scan your disk for those files and clear them.
05:24:24Paul_The_NerdBut it never got maintained or really tested
05:24:24pirokowhat happened to it!?
05:24:28piroko:(
05:24:31Paul_The_NerdIt was just a patch
05:24:39ssstormyare there any development, partially functional builds for the 3G ipod?
05:24:42pirokothere's gotta be some way to prevent it from happening in os x.
05:24:50Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: Yes, but no audio yet.
05:25:01ssstormyPaul_The_Nerd: where would I find them?
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05:25:17Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: Check out the source from CVS, and compile it.
05:25:36ssstormyPaul_The_Nerd: ok thanks. any special steps?
05:25:52Paul_The_NerdNope. When you get to the ../tools/configure choice, 3G is already in the list
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05:28:37pirokois there a way to remove deleted files from the tagcache or does it need to be deleted and re-run?
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05:29:41Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: Unfortunately that's not a feature tagcache has yet. It will eventually, but it doesn't have it yet. =/
05:30:36ashridahwe probably need to start looking into building external tagcache builders as well, mostly for the people who don't want to flatten their battery just building the cache :)
05:31:25pirokook that's fine. it's just that it found all my ._files and it's really annoying so I went and deleted them all and now I need to update. maybe a patch could be put in to the tagcache builder that would prevent it from caching "._" files? it would be easy...
05:31:47VoltageXmy .c file got compiled to a .o but not a .rock...
05:31:59angelashesi find after i fully charge my ipod and reboot to rockbox it says i have 94% battery life left
05:32:02Paul_The_Nerd._ files shouldn't be cached anyway, should they? I thought it only cached files with metadata.
05:32:05ssstormyanyone have any apps for linux to suggest for recording?
05:32:18VoltageXssstormy: audacity.sf.net
05:32:19Paul_The_Nerdangelashes: Yeah, the battery % number may be a little off.
05:32:26pirokoangelashes: mine too
05:32:41ssstormyVoltageX: any others? for some absurd reason audacity stopped working 4 me
05:32:49pirokossstormy: i agree with VoltageX. audacity is the ultimate
05:32:50pirokooh
05:33:06VoltageXoh
05:33:10VoltageXhmm not really
05:33:19VoltageXthere'd be a cli app somewhere to record to .wav
05:33:21*ashridah suggests piroko should rephrase that as "pen-ultimate"
05:33:37VoltageXNow talking in #audacity
05:33:37VoltageX* Topic is 'Welcome to #audacity
05:33:41VoltageXon this server
05:33:50VoltageXyou should ask them about your problem
05:33:51pirokoPaul_The_Nerd: It caches them under untagged
05:34:08Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: Aaaah.
05:34:21Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: I guess I never saw "Untagged" because all my files are tagged. Heheheh.
05:34:26pirokoyep
05:34:26piroko:)
05:34:46pirokoit's still annoying... sorry I'm a very picky person. I could probably do the patch myself
05:35:09VoltageXwhy doesn't my .c file get to .rock?
05:35:15VoltageXonly to .o
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05:35:38pirokojust do an if not "._*" type statement for every file it tries to cache. that wouldn't slow it down too much, would it?
05:36:05ashridahpiroko: text comparison is a little more difficult than that
05:36:15Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: Well, depends on your definition of "too much" ;-)
05:36:56ashridahVoltageX: so far as i know, adding it to SOURCES in apps/plugins/ should be all that's necessary
05:37:13pirokois there any caveat to running tagcache from disk/loading to ram?
05:37:28ashridahprovided you've got the appropriate headers and macros like "PLUGIN_HEADER" in use
05:37:39Paul_The_NerdRunning it from disk means your disk will have to spin up to browse, but you have slightly more audio buffer (better battery life if you rarely browse)
05:38:00VoltageXNow talking in #audacity
05:38:00VoltageX* Topic is 'Welcome to #audacity
05:38:02Paul_The_NerdRunning it from RAM will mean the disk doesn't need to spin up to browse, but you have slightly less audio buffer (better if you browse alot)
05:38:03VoltageXoohs !!
05:38:06VoltageXoops sorry
05:38:12VoltageXclipboard not working
05:38:31VoltageXit's in SOURCES ashridah
05:39:30pirokocrap. i suppose i wasn't supposed to delete the tagnavi.config file? only the caches?
05:39:35Paul_The_NerdYea
05:39:39Paul_The_Nerdtagnavi.config is important
05:39:41pirokooops
05:39:47pirokoreloading...
05:39:47ashridahVoltageX: then it should just happen, there's no way for the makefile to magically ignore one, so far asi can tell. you've tried make clean and a full rebuild?
05:39:49Paul_The_NerdIt's what makes tagcache customizable
05:42:06VoltageXashridah: rebuilding while I go have lunch.
05:42:19Kyomitagcache actually works?
05:42:44KyomiI checked on it in debug menu... And said something like "percent completed: -1%"
05:42:44Paul_The_NerdKyomi: It's "actually worked" for a while. It's just not always worked how people wanted it to.
05:42:52ashridahKyomi: it's worked pretty well for me, although i don't use it, since i have far too many crazily tagged compilations
05:43:02KyomiOh
05:43:04ssstormybuild-dir/apps/rockbox.bin is the program itself right?
05:43:09KyomiWhats car adapter mode?
05:43:12ashridahKyomi: that menu's been broken the entire time :)
05:43:16KyomiWhen you're using an FM transmitter?
05:43:36Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: After running "make" run "make zip" to get the same rockbox.zip you'd download from the site, and just use that.
05:43:48KyomiAnd why does windows and rockbox say I have 52MB and windows says I have 260somethingMB free?
05:43:52Paul_The_Nerdashridah: The % works now
05:43:58Kyomierrr.. second windows = original firmware
05:44:17ashridahKyomi: because the original firmware sucks balls at keeping the freespace flags in fat in check
05:44:18Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Car adapter mode is used to control power on/off when plugged/unplugged (so it shuts off when you turn off your car) but doesn't really work for ipods at the moment
05:44:22Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Or H300
05:45:03Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Do you need to empty the recycle bin on it maybe?
05:45:37pirokoPaul_The_Nerd: what did you do to fix the %? there aren't any changes in the cvs, unless it takes a little time to update
05:46:20Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: Well, last time I ran a forced tagcache update from scratch, then watched the % in the debug menu, it showed accurately as the tagcache was built
05:46:52piroko... nevermind. sorry I was thinking ipod battery %. off topic...
05:46:55KyomiI still think it's funny mine is -1% complete
05:47:43KyomiBeware the massive geek that is me and watch me copy over Monty Python and the Holy Grail script to read on my H320 XD
05:48:37KyomiI also got tired of removing all the themes/wps/rocks I never used/hated
05:48:45KyomiSo I made a batch file to do it for me XD
05:49:44ssstormyhmm I built rockbox, and I'm using the ipodloader2, and when I try to boot rockbox... the progress bar fills, then a message appears behind it and the ipod reboots
05:50:19Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: You have rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder extracted in the root of the fat32 partition?
05:50:27ssstormyyeah
05:50:41Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: Also, I'm not sure how well loader2 and 3G rockbox get along. You're probably the first to try it.
05:51:19ssstormywhy me
05:51:20piroko:O there are 775 KNOWN ISSUES? holy crap
05:51:41Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: Where did you get that number?
05:51:47pirokoflyspray
05:51:53pirokoShowing tasks 41 - 60 of 775
05:52:05Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: Because it doesn't play audio yet, and most people who are actually developing it use our bootloader (when they were around, which is no longer)
05:52:24Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: Bugs, or is that including Feature Requests and Patches? Also, some of those are 2+ years old, and haven't been closed
05:53:11pirokoah. that makes sense though. I was looking at everything. and the crossfade not working at 5second buffer was incorrect on my part. I had to perform a restart to get crossfade working properly.
05:53:32pirokobut it still is working randomly...
05:53:33piroko:(
05:54:17ssstormyPaul_The_Nerd: you mean no one is develing 3G ipod anymore!?
05:55:04Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: Nobody here owns one, so it can't be developed directly.
05:55:18ssstormyoh the arghness
05:55:27Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: Basically we need someone with moderate or better programming experience who owns a 3G who will either sit around and test things, or work on it himself.
05:55:51ssstormywell I can test everything you throw at me
05:55:57ssstormybut I don't know a thing about programming
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05:56:53pirokoread a programming book ;) sorry, had to state the obvious
05:57:39ssstormypiroko: yeah I know I should. I would, but I've recently picked up some other hobbies before I could start programming. Like a girl. :P
05:57:41Paul_The_Nerdssstormy: Well, I can't say exactly what's needed anyway. When Linuxstb starts being around, ask him if you can help with 3G in any way.
05:58:01ssstormyok
05:58:26ssstormylinuxstb: hello, I'm just shouting at you. I'd like to help with the 3G tessting if I can, I have one myself.
05:59:38pirokossstormy: ah yes. girls can do that whole distraction thing :)
06:00
06:00:10ssstormypiroko: yeah. I even had a book, learn C in 24 hours, next to my bed. Had to return it to the library though, after it had been overdue a few weeks
06:00:41pirokowhen using tagcache, every once in a while i'll choose a file to play, and it'll go to the wps screen for like one second and then kick me back to the browser screen without starting playback. is this also known?
06:00:58ssstormywell thanks guys, I'll check back in a while
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06:02:20KyomiAnyone know if the midi function is even close to working?
06:02:32KyomiI could start exporting my music to midi :)
06:02:49KyomiAlthough mp3/ogg works.. I want to be difficult XD
06:03:00Paul_The_NerdKyomi: "Close" yes. But "Moving closer" no.
06:03:12Paul_The_Nerdpiroko: I don't think it is known, but I'm not sure.
06:03:13KyomiSo it hasn't moved since the doom update?
06:03:43Paul_The_NerdYup. And it didn't move for ages before tht
06:03:44Paul_The_Nerdthat
06:03:47VoltageXooh there's a video plugin? it doesn't build though
06:04:07Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: The Video Plugin is really not something you'd want to use...
06:04:28ashridahVoltageX: the video plugin is for a much older archos version
06:04:32*VoltageX adds to wishlist
06:05:07KyomiSomeone make the midi function move ;_;
06:05:23KyomiOr else I'm wasting like 30MB
06:05:26pirokothat lcd bug on the ipod is kinda dangerous. if you don't notice it when the ipod shuts off, it could damage it potentially, couldn't it?
06:05:29KyomiI need a bigger HD
06:06:02pirokowhen I turn it back on after leaving the line there for a minute or so, it stays on the screen for a good 30 seconds before disappearing
06:06:04KyomiI only have seasons 1-3.5 of ReBoot on my player... theres still 1.5 seasons left :P
06:06:15pirokoKyomi: I have 1-4 :D
06:06:23pirokoI LOVE REBOOT!
06:06:46pirokoKyomi: where did you get yours from? bittorrent?
06:06:50ashridahoh, god no, don't encourage each other
06:07:06pirokoashridah: be quiet. ReBoot is the shit. ;)
06:07:17Kyomipiroko: I have all the seasons :)
06:07:26KyomiAlready encoded to .h300.avi
06:07:29pirokoah. just 1-3.5 on the player. gotcha
06:07:30KyomiI just need more space
06:07:34VoltageXI looked at a synopsis of an episode of reboot, WTF is it?
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06:07:41KyomiAwesome
06:07:42Kyomi:D
06:07:48pirokoyeah
06:07:48VoltageXbut what is it about?
06:07:53KyomiEspecially the Megabyte concert one :D
06:07:59pirokoen.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot
06:08:01VoltageXsounds like a geek's LSD drug trip
06:08:03KyomiI recorded that and put it on myspace :D
06:08:05pirokoMy favorite episode!
06:08:07ashridahVoltageX: cartoon about the personification of the insides of computers
06:08:12pirokoI have the song on itunes
06:08:21Kyomipiroko: My fav ep is Game Over :)
06:08:24VoltageXmight have to have a look
06:08:25KyomiI sooooo want that fighting game
06:08:31KyomiThe music is awesome
06:08:33pirokothat episode gave me chills. the one with megabyte vs. bob in the guitar solos
06:08:40KyomiSatan looks cool :D
06:08:42VoltageXbut I can't download anything because I'm speed limited to 10kb/s
06:08:48KyomiAndraia is hot :)
06:09:00KyomiI wonder if she's bi ^^;
06:09:21pirokolol. so is hexadecimal :P
06:09:33VoltageXwow, watch out lara http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/ReBoot_AndrAIa_1.jpg/100px-ReBoot_AndrAIa_1.jpg
06:09:36Kyomihttp://www.myspace.com/megami7502 -> click videos underneath my kitty pic
06:09:40Kyomi:D
06:10:04pirokodammit Kyomi. Now I'm gonna go watch a few episodes... And I was just about to sleep too...
06:10:10KyomiNuuu
06:10:24KyomiWatch my like 2 mins of video :D
06:10:40KyomiHehe
06:10:52KyomiA pic like that is my avatar on the 3dRealms forums :P
06:10:56VoltageX10kb/s is painful
06:12:15pirokoMegabyte: "I've always wanted to do that..." He's such a badass! :D
06:13:11KyomiI've been thinking of making a c64 remix with parts of that in it
06:13:27KyomiBut I think it'd be awesome to use in my remix of the duke nukem 3d theme :D
06:13:32KyomiAs somewhat of an intro
06:13:34*VoltageX needs reboot torrent
06:13:52KyomiVoltageX: you know.. there are like millions of torrentsites :P
06:14:02pirokoKyomi: what do you use to do your audio creation?
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06:14:08KyomiOne that has something to do with a very small nova
06:14:17VoltageXdoh! the 4gb one with 4 series of it is dead
06:14:20KyomiAnd another one that spys on the torrents
06:14:27VoltageXyes I know all them :D
06:14:34KyomiOne with pirates...
06:14:38pirokoand bays...
06:14:39KyomiOh
06:14:44Kyomipiroko: Reason 3.0 :D
06:14:47VoltageXand retractable batons
06:14:50pirokoon mac?
06:14:56KyomiBah... fark mac :P
06:15:00piroko:O
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06:15:24pirokoplease tell me you're a linux user
06:15:50KyomiNope
06:15:59KyomiI don't advocate windows
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06:16:11KyomiBut I'd rather use something that makes somewhat of sense
06:16:18VoltageXhow hard is it to write a codec? I want to port fmod
06:16:19pirokoTo each his own
06:16:22KyomiAnd doesn't require me to compile six million things
06:16:45KyomiAnd I mean heck... 98% of things are made for windows first.. if not only for
06:16:51VoltageXKyomi: you must be thinking of gentoo. Debian: apt-get install anything
06:17:00KyomiYeah
06:17:05pirokoright, go with the flow, conform, be one with the crowd :P
06:17:06KyomiI also hate the names they give linux
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06:17:27*VoltageX chants: fmod. fmod. fmod. fmod
06:17:29Kyomipiroko: I'm not about to strain my brain just to play half-life 2 :P
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06:17:39KyomiI like being able to get to it in like... 2 clicks
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06:17:50pirokoKyomi: I guess I'm fortunate to only play one game. nethack
06:17:51Kyomiminus all of the steam crap
06:17:55bancusand then wait for ten minutes while the level loads :P
06:17:55pirokoI understand
06:17:59Kyomione game?
06:18:02KyomiYou poor soul
06:18:02pirokonethack
06:18:09pirokoit's all my soul needs :D
06:18:11KyomiI played that a bit
06:18:14KyomiGot bored with it
06:18:19ashridahVoltageX: the hard part about porting a codec comes in a few ways. a) license (must be GPL compatible), b) floating-point usage (can't use floating point math) and c) optimisation (getting it to run quickly once it runs at all)
06:18:21KyomiI'd rather play a MUD :P
06:18:22bancushas anyone considered a port of nethack to rockbox?
06:18:31pirokoKyomi: oh yeah, I've done that too. aardwolf
06:18:32Kyominethack pissed me off
06:18:42VoltageXashridah: a) is ok
06:18:43pirokobancus: i almost suggested that idea earlier today
06:18:46KyomiThers supposedly a board you can get that makes you un-detectable
06:18:47KyomiDidn't work
06:18:56KyomiThen when you have to change around files
06:18:57VoltageXashridah: the rest, I'm screwed coz I'm a C noob
06:19:01KyomiI did EXACTLY what it said to do
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06:19:05dj-fuomg.
06:19:08dj-fuhi guys :)
06:19:11KyomiAnd it was like.. "You didn't complete the job"
06:19:12bancusso no python interpreter for rockbox, eh? :D
06:19:21pirokoKyomi: what are you talking about?
06:19:26VoltageXbancus: that would rule
06:19:28Kyominethack :P
06:19:38pirokoa board that makes you un-detectable?
06:19:39VoltageXbancus: but be pointless
06:19:40dj-fujust like to say.. Rockbox pwns so hard. has fixed all my issues with ipod+linux :)
06:19:54ashridahwell, given that rockbox doesn't really have a virtual memory implementation, an interpreted language might be a bit hard to implement
06:19:58bancusVoltageX: I dunno if it'd be pointless
06:20:06bancusC is a bitch to code in.
06:20:15dj-fuquick question, how do I install a "WPS" theme.
06:20:17bancusOf course, I used to code ASM, but then, python has made me soft.
06:20:31dj-fumono on rockbox! ha ;D
06:20:31Kyomipiroko
06:20:31bancusdj-fu: copy it to .rockbox/wps, I think
06:20:35*piroko codes in machine code
06:20:36dj-fubancus, thanks, thought as much.
06:20:46pirokoKyomi
06:20:46VoltageXbancus: are you any good at C?
06:20:46bancusit depends on the theme
06:20:49dj-fuI love drag'n'drop DAP
06:20:49bancusVoltageX: I used to be
06:20:51KyomiYeah... you can upgrade your internet/motherboard/ram/etc
06:21:02VoltageXpiroko: punch cards ftw!
06:21:10bancusI haven't coded C since rhythmbox 0.6something
06:21:27VoltageXbancus: I need to find someone to port fmod to rockbox
06:21:29VoltageXlol
06:21:37bancusWith my fulltime job and all, I don't have much coding time
06:21:49bancusand prefer not to spend it banging my head up against the wall with inferior languages
06:22:19KyomiNo pascal for you :P
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06:22:56Paul_The_Nerdbancus: Did you just call C an inferior language? I hope you're not trying to pass opinion off as the actual case.
06:23:14ashridahVoltageX: i assume fmod is a tracker codec? or am i way off?
06:23:18bancusPaul_The_Nerd: It's my opinion, sure.
06:23:25VoltageXashridah: one of the best tracker codecs
06:23:28bancusI admit C has its uses, but *shrug*.
06:23:39Paul_The_Nerdbancus: So what would you code a firmware for an embedded device in?
06:23:47VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: asm
06:23:48ashridahVoltageX: what language is it written in? the only fmod i know is a commercial audio library
06:23:50bancusI'm not saying rockbox shouldn't be in C.
06:23:59KyomiIt should be in asm XD
06:24:04KyomiOoo!
06:24:06VoltageXo.O I'm sure there was a GNU tracker codec
06:24:06bancusI'm just stating my preference for my personal hobby time.
06:24:07KyomiMake it in java :D
06:24:20KyomiThen I might be able to do something
06:24:21bancusmikmod?
06:24:29ashridahVoltageX: besides, i thought someone was working on using DUMB or something
06:24:30bancusKyomi: ew :x
06:24:36VoltageXDOH fmod isn't gpl
06:24:46bancuswhat is it?
06:24:50VoltageXashridah: they would be my hero if they are
06:24:52ashridahbancus: mikmod's pretty much out of the question, it's pretty inferior in comparison to other mod players
06:24:54Paul_The_Nerdbancus: Then that hardly makes C an "inferior" language, if it's the tool suitable for the task.
06:25:10bancusPaul_The_Nerd: and my task is enjoying myself on the weekend
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06:25:20bancusWhich C is hardly suitable for.
06:25:49ashridahVoltageX: i'd hit up the rockbox forums and look around for references to DUMB and whatnot.
06:26:00ashridahbancus: so, rockbox should change to give you a hobby?
06:26:04bancus...
06:26:07bancusScroll up.
06:26:09Paul_The_Nerdbancus: Ah, but the subject here is working on Rockbox, and at no point before did you mention the words "enjoying" or "weekend" so one can only assume its effectiveness was being judged for the aforementioned task of coding Rockbox.
06:26:12ashridahheh
06:26:14bancusDid I *ever* say that rockbox shouldn't be in C?
06:26:20ashridahsorry, i'm being deliberately obtuse :)
06:26:23bancus:P
06:26:24*Paul_The_Nerd grins
06:26:47bancus21:21 < bancus> With my fulltime job and all, I don't have much coding time
06:26:47bancus21:21 < bancus> and prefer not to spend it banging my head up against the wall
06:26:47bancus with inferior languages
06:26:48Paul_The_NerdI have no stick with which to beat the denizens of the forum, so I must enjoy myself here to survive.
06:26:59bancusThe idea there was relating that it's a hobby.
06:27:09bancusSomeone asked if I knew C, I was merely talking about it.
06:27:27*Paul_The_Nerd needs badly a 'forum denizen beating stick' of some sort.
06:27:31bancusHeh.
06:27:43ashridahbut yeah. C's painfulness comes from how it's used more than anything.
06:27:47dj-furight, is there a way to like, add all the music to a playlist with this? I'm new, is there a wiki that I can oorgle over somewhere?
06:27:57dj-fuI absolutely love having drag'n'drop.. means I don't ahve to reboot to itune.
06:28:00bancusashridah: Have you ever see GObj-C?
06:28:02bancusseen
06:28:02ashridahi doubt rockbox's architecture is perfect, but i'm willing to bet it's not deliberately painful
06:28:06bancusIt's *hideous*.
06:28:14bancusMy god is it ever evil.
06:28:18Paul_The_NerdPlease to compare these two "It doesn't work" threads: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3567.0 and http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3569.0
06:28:21pirokoargh. too late... need sleep... goddnight everyone
06:28:26bancusIt's the reason I only did one bugfix for Rhythmbox.
06:28:29pirokoas in goodnight...
06:28:41ashridahdj-fu: go to the root of your player, hit the menu button, playlist options, create playlist
06:28:56Paul_The_NerdThey both have their problems, (one is a typical "I got an error message but kept going for no apparent reason, without asking for help") but clearly one is much less frustrating than the other
06:28:57bancusFiguring out where the menu button was on an X5 was interesting.
06:29:06ashridahyou'll get a .m3u containing all your music called root.m3u in the root of the device.
06:29:28VoltageXashridah: DUMB is kind of a hard keyword to search for :D
06:29:38bancusVoltageX: libdumb?
06:29:42ashridahheh
06:30:10ashridahbut dumb, codec, and mod or tracker probably should narrow it down a bit
06:30:57dj-futy ashridah
06:31:03ashridahVoltageX: anyway, i seem to recall the issue with trackers being more in how to deal with inserting them into the playback system, since you can't start decoding one without loading it entirely into memory, if memory serves
06:31:23dj-fuholy crap this owns
06:32:09bancusI get the feeling I'm going to have to make my own wps.
06:32:15bancusNone of them quite manage what I want.
06:32:21bancusBut, the good news is, I can.
06:32:28dj-futhe ipod nano vision looks quite nice
06:32:39dj-fusomething minimalistic with a black background wins
06:32:42ashridahyes, that is a pleasantness, although the wps syntax is a bit arcane :)
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06:39:54*Kyomi uses the Trinity 24-bit wps v1.0 and still can't get some parts of it to display right
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06:41:55VoltageXthis is the only real reference to libdumb
06:41:56VoltageXhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1030.msg5571#msg5571
06:41:58dj-furockbox makes baby jesus dance
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06:45:00VoltageXit's there: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/dumb/
06:45:08VoltageXbut not in a usable state i don't think
06:45:58KyomiI want midi function now
06:46:03KyomiI want to work on my music now >_<
06:46:09VoltageXKyomi: I want tracker music now
06:46:27BHSPitLappyI want <insert demand> now
06:46:35KyomiI want money now
06:46:36VoltageXnot looking good for me, the libdumb files haven't been touched for 4-12 months
06:46:39ashridahso transcode it
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06:46:41dj-fuomg. Doom
06:46:43KyomiSo I can buy more.... boots ^^
06:46:56Kyomidj-fu: You're about a month late with that... I beat you to it ^^;
06:47:05dj-fuyeah
06:47:13dj-fuI've been toying with gtkpod and banshee trying to get something to work
06:47:17dj-fuand then, a light shon upon me
06:47:21dj-fuand I found rockbox
06:47:23dj-fupower to the people
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06:48:37kidd3ckzlol
06:48:40kidd3ckzhi sexy
06:49:04BHSPitLappydj-fu: iPodLinux be fun, too... (though not as music-oriented)
06:49:22dj-futhat's the only reason I have one of these godforsaken things... music
06:49:28dj-fuimported it cheap from japan, only 200 nzd
06:49:30kidd3ckz5g for porn.
06:49:43dj-fuhi kid
06:49:43kidd3ckzonly reason. 60 gigs of the stuff
06:49:43dj-fu;]
06:49:57dj-fuporn on 5g, rofl
06:50:07Jungti1234:P
06:50:10kidd3ckz60 gigsB
06:50:11KyomiI need 30 gig
06:50:13kidd3ckzi mean
06:50:21KyomiSo I can fit the complete ReBoot saga on it :)
06:50:21kidd3ckzwow
06:50:56kidd3ckz:)
06:50:58BHSPitLappylet's keep the topics clean in here, please
06:51:03BHSPitLappykthxbye
06:51:04kidd3ckzok sorry
06:51:20kidd3ckzi put CARTOONS
06:51:27dj-fuyou guys mostly nix users, or windows?
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06:52:33BHSPitLappymixed I guess
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06:52:58BHSPitLappyI know a lot of nix users in here, but I also hear a lot about cygwin development
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06:53:41Jungti1234I'm windows user
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06:53:56BHSPitLappyboo!
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06:55:08*BHSPitLappy is protected from your stones by THE POWER OF LINUX
06:55:34dj-fupwned.
06:55:39dj-fumv stones /dev/null
06:55:47Paul_The_NerdHahaha
06:55:48dj-fujust -j DROP them
06:55:49dj-fu;)
06:56:06*dj-fu raises hand like Neo
06:56:10dj-fuHah, I am protected by iptables.
06:56:22*Jungti1234 believes that power of Windows is stronger than LINUX power.
06:56:45*Kyomi throws bill gates at BHSPitLappy
06:56:59*BHSPitLappy stands protected still
06:57:01*Kyomi then throws steve jobs at him while he's not looking
06:57:33*Jungti1234 is helping Kyomi.
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06:58:01dj-fuwow
06:58:02*dj-fu dies
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06:58:05dj-fudoom actually plays.
06:58:12Jungti1234hehehe
06:58:23*Kyomi hurls a few penguins wrapped in dynamite at BHSPitLappy for good measure
06:58:32Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: Why would we say we had doom if it didn't play?
06:58:33dj-fumind you, I expected as much.
06:58:48dj-fuPaul_The_Nerd, I don't know - this is my first day. I kinda expected issues ;)
06:58:48Jungti1234Kyomi, :D
06:58:50VoltageX./configure && make nuclear warhead
06:58:58*BHSPitLappy still prefers iDoom, despite lack of sound
06:59:05Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: There's issues, but it mostly works.
06:59:45VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: I've just checked out libdumb from the cvs, theres one patch, then how do i get rockbox's make script to build it?
07:00
07:00:16Kyomi>_<
07:00:17KyomiAlright
07:00:23KyomiThats one thing I HATE
07:00:31KyomiThat stupid i infront of everything
07:00:47KyomiAlright... xbox ruined Doom... ipod isn't doing it too
07:00:53KyomiSo just sod right off
07:01:08KyomiOr call it by the right name
07:01:59BHSPitLappyThats one thing I HATE
07:02:02dj-fuwhat is it that you hate?
07:02:07dj-fuI missed it
07:02:08BHSPitLappypeople that do nothing but complain
07:02:11VoltageXquestion to everyone...
07:02:16VoltageXI've just checked out libdumb from the cvs, theres one patch, then how do i get rockbox's make script to build it?
07:02:18Jungti1234yammy
07:02:38Jungti1234Ice cream is very cool
07:02:47dj-fudoh. can't exit snake2 on ipodnano ;D
07:02:48*dj-fu reboots
07:03:29BHSPitLappyyeah, some of em don't have enlightened key settings
07:03:31KyomiBHSPitLappy: HOw is that complaining?
07:03:41BHSPitLappyKyomi: ... how is it not?
07:03:42KyomiThat's stating a fact :P
07:03:58KyomiDoom should be pc only... it started on pc
07:04:02VoltageX:(
07:04:05KyomiIf you wanna play it.. get a farking pc
07:04:16KyomiNot some pos laptop console
07:04:23Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Add it to the makefile, I think
07:04:29VoltageXKyomi: you don't want doom on rockbox?
07:04:31KyomiI mean seriously... it's just a laptop with a gamepad
07:04:32Jungti1234I want to play starcraft in my H300. :D
07:04:42Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Sorry for the slow response time tonight. A little... distracted
07:04:43VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: I'm not sure how to do that...
07:04:48KyomiVoltageX: Doom on rockbox is awesome :)
07:04:57VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: you're not paid to be here, so I understand fully
07:05:02KyomiAs long as it doesn't get called something stupid... like iDoom
07:05:02Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: Well, I know it's not anywhere near a usable state anyway
07:05:07Jungti1234It may be foolish ideas. hehe
07:05:25Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: But I think there should be a makefile in the codecs folder that tells it which other folders to include, but I'm not sure
07:05:25KyomiJungti1234: You know... I was thinking about that
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07:05:32KyomiJungti1234: It could be possible :)
07:05:36dj-fuwow
07:05:40dj-fuCan I donate money somewhere
07:05:41dj-fufor this
07:05:43KyomiThere aren't that many commands at all
07:05:45Jungti1234hahaha, really?
07:06:03Jungti1234hm
07:06:05dj-funm
07:06:06dj-fufound it
07:06:08KyomiIt's just basically a mouse... which is the arrows on the player :)
07:06:21KyomiAlthough it might be a bit slower since you can't have all the key combos
07:06:44Jungti1234Even if it's not starcraft, I am fine.
07:07:13Jungti1234Game such as starcraft is fine.
07:09:55*dj-fu donated to bjorn, whoever that is.
07:10:13KyomiDonate to me :D
07:10:18KyomiEven though I'm not on there
07:10:23KyomiI need money ;_;
07:10:23dj-funot that rich
07:10:27dj-fuused up all my paypals just then
07:11:22Paul_The_NerdHehehe
07:11:33dj-fudo wps backdrops have to be a certain type of bmp?
07:11:36dj-fucan't find any good docs on it
07:11:43*dj-fu busts some gimp-fu
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07:12:06Jungti1234Kyomi, I'm a poor student. :'(
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07:15:24VoltageXwell I added dumb to the makefile where it looks as it should be, but it's not making it
07:15:30VoltageXthere's a dumb section in the makefile
07:15:32Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: 24-bit, same dimensions as the screen
07:15:36VoltageXand it seems to skip it
07:15:43dj-fusweet, got it
07:15:54dj-fuis ther a way to select a .bmp for backdrop.. or do I have to edit a .wps to load it
07:17:15Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: To use it in a WPS you use the %X tag (capital X)
07:17:34dj-fusweet
07:17:38Paul_The_NerdTo use it as a menu backdrop, you set it to show all files, browse to /.rockbox/backdrops (where the file needs to be) and click and hold on the .bmp and then choose Set as Backdrop
07:17:44dj-fuoh
07:17:45dj-fudope
07:19:00dj-fuIf I was a blog guy. I'd so blog about this
07:19:23Paul_The_NerdHeh
07:21:23VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: does the fact that it's skipping libdumb mean that it's totally broken?
07:21:25***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
07:21:59Kyomibackdrop as in background while the music isn't playing?
07:22:01Paul_The_Nerd VoltageX: Nah. If it were broken in that way, you'd get warnings/errors from compiling. It's not added right, though I honestly can't say how it needs to be. I've never tinkered with that one.
07:22:09Paul_The_NerdKyomi: As in background behind the menus and file tree.
07:22:10dj-fubackdrop as in the background on any screen
07:22:16KyomiI'm guessing it has to be 220x176? Or does it auto-scale?
07:22:17dj-fuand the wps too no?
07:22:27dj-funano's are a little smaller
07:22:30VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: who would know? I'm really really wanting to play tracker music
07:23:29Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Has to mate exactly
07:23:40Jungti1234hey
07:23:51VoltageXa lot of the cvs dumb stuff is done by 'hlc' but there's no contact details
07:23:53Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: If the WPS does not define a backdrop in it, I believe it uses the menu one. Otherwise if it has a %X tag it uses its own
07:23:56Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Match, rather
07:24:15KyomiArgh
07:24:16Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: HCl, I thought.
07:24:25KyomiSomeone make an auto-scaler :P
07:24:36KyomiLike when you're viewing an image :)
07:24:49Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Or you could just resize the image in almost ANY program.
07:24:53VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: dyslexics untie!
07:24:59Jungti1234I wonder....
07:25:09Paul_The_NerdVoltageX: HCl is in this room right now, but probably not at the computer. I haven't seen him speak in ages.
07:25:35VoltageXthink he would kill me for /msg'ing him?
07:25:47Paul_The_NerdWho knows.
07:26:34VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: we'll find out :)
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07:26:53Jungti1234Why volume of Rockbox default setting is -25db?
07:27:16Paul_The_NerdWhy not?
07:27:29KyomiI probably blown my hearing
07:27:30Jungti1234Isn't it loudness?
07:27:39KyomiI keep it at -20DB
07:27:52KyomiThen -5DB in the car and the car volume is like 40
07:27:54Paul_The_NerdSome people think -25 is loud (I do) and others think it is soft.
07:28:04Jungti1234...
07:28:14dj-fuwhoa, that's quiet.
07:28:18Jungti1234-45 is most suitable.
07:28:20dj-fuI was running it at about -6
07:28:29dj-fudirectly to headphones
07:28:43Kyomidj-fu: Yes.. you lost your hearing
07:28:49Paul_The_NerdI listen at -55 at home.
07:28:52KyomiOr you're music is EXTREMELY low volume
07:28:53dj-funeg
07:28:56dj-fumy hearings is fine
07:28:56Jungti1234Paul, me too
07:28:57dj-fulol
07:29:04dj-fuI just don't like to hear anything else :)
07:29:07KyomiPaul_The_Nerd: How do you even hear it at that level?
07:29:14Paul_The_NerdKyomi: It's quite clear.
07:29:16Jungti1234I surprise because of Rockbox...
07:29:17Kyomidj-fu: Thats why I have -20 :P
07:29:22KyomiMaybe -18
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07:29:35Jungti1234My ear may tear
07:29:40pacohey guys
07:29:49Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Though because my desktop's cooling is a bit noisy, I had to up it to -40 right now
07:29:51KyomiBut Cradle of Filth at like.... > -18 is like "You want your ears to bleed?"
07:30:15VoltageXlol, digging up the corpses aororraarrrgghhh!
07:30:51pacowhen i try to make the source i get this error: make[1]: *** [/Users/powerbook/desktop/1/rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1
07:31:11pacoany suggestions?
07:31:22Paul_The_Nerdpaco: Try doing a "make clean" and try again?
07:31:28pacook
07:32:02KyomiYou're on a mac?
07:32:14KyomiThats why ;)
07:32:22pacoyeah
07:32:30paconothing happened
07:32:35pacotoo bad
07:32:48Paul_The_NerdIs your rockbox patched at all?
07:32:55pacoyes
07:33:00Paul_The_NerdWhat patch?
07:33:30paco3
07:33:36pacohold on
07:33:54Paul_The_NerdTry removing them all, making a new build directory, and see if it builds
07:34:30pacook
07:34:54Paul_The_NerdYou should always make sure building unpatched works before installing patches, so you know if they broke your build, or there's some other problem
07:36:05pacoin new to this :(
07:36:15Paul_The_NerdNo worries
07:36:18Paul_The_NerdThat's why I'm here to help
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07:36:55KyomiHeyy....
07:37:11dj-fuhrm
07:37:13KyomiIsn't a cacophone that floating cyclops enemy in Doom?
07:37:17dj-fudoes ipod nano battery checkin work?
07:37:28Paul_The_NerdKyomi: Cacodemon
07:37:34Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: Eeeeeeh.
07:37:38KyomiIt's red... and you shoot it with the chaingun and it can't fire... XD
07:37:45dj-fueeeeh?
07:38:14Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: I don't know if it's enabled in CVS. It kinda works, but it's rather inaccurate. I think that's more of a hardware thing, as even in Retail it wasn't terribly accurate.
07:38:25dj-fuic
07:38:33dj-fui got a daily build of ipod nano
07:38:34dj-fuso maybe it does
07:38:35amiconngood m0rning
07:38:42dj-fumeh, I'm just glad I can drag'n'drop
07:38:47Paul_The_NerdMornin' amiconn
07:39:02paconah, same error
07:39:10amiconnlostlogic: I hope your new_track change doesn't break mp3 gapless ....
07:39:19pacothis is what i got: cc1: Invalid option `long-calls'
07:39:29pacomake[1]: *** [/Users/paul/desktop/1/1/1/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1
07:39:38pacomake: *** [all] Error 2
07:39:52Paul_The_Nerdpaco: Ah, see, you didn't give me that first part.
07:40:08pacooh, my fault
07:40:18Paul_The_Nerdpaco: Unfortunately, I know little of how to compile it properly on OSX, but that says to me that your C compiler doesn't work for this purpose.
07:40:42pacothat's too bad
07:40:52cacophony99 users
07:40:55cacophonywho will be the 100th
07:40:59cacophony? :O
07:41:05pacolooks like its time to get out the dual boot
07:41:16Paul_The_Nerdpaco: What GCC version are you using, and did you compile it yourself or is it just a packaged one?
07:41:23cacophonyso which would you guys rather have
07:41:37cacophonydual booting osx and windows on a pc
07:41:41cacophonyor dual booting osx and windows on a mac
07:41:47paco4.0.1 and its packaged
07:41:50Paul_The_NerdAh
07:41:54pacodual booting osx and gentoo
07:41:54cacophonyand why
07:42:08cacophonyI guess that works too
07:42:11pacoi dont have an intel mac
07:42:14cacophonypaco: on what platform
07:42:18*Paul_The_Nerd wold rather avoid OSX altogether as it offers him nothing.
07:42:24cacophonyTHATS THE SPIRIT
07:42:25pacoyeah
07:42:26cacophonyyou know
07:42:30cacophonyI installed itunes today
07:42:30pacodont
07:42:34cacophonyand it installed a rootkit
07:42:35KyomiYay!
07:42:35cacophonyon my pc
07:42:35pacothey're not worth it
07:42:44KyomiI agree with pabs
07:42:45pacoyeah, its bull
07:42:47KyomiI agree with Paul_The_Nerd
07:42:47cacophonyI dont understand how apple fanboys can be so high and mighty
07:42:48Kyomi:D
07:43:01cacophonyI dont understand how apple fanboys can be so high and mighty, and look down on the sony drm issue, when itunes does the same thing
07:43:04pacothey're just trendy idiots that have no idea about anything
07:43:07cacophonyit tried to install a driver to my cdrom
07:43:10cacophonyand when I blocked it
07:43:12cacophonyit disabled my cdrom
07:43:16pacolol
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07:43:49pacoi bought this laptop 2 years ago, it runs fine, but definately not worth the money
07:44:11pacoanyway, looks like my c compiler is insufficient
07:44:18pacowhich is muy mericon
07:44:38pacothis is a european channel, right?
07:44:52KyomiI dunno
07:45:05KyomiI'm not from europe and I'm in it
07:45:13cacophonyno
07:45:25cacophonyyoure looking for rockbox on freenode.eu
07:45:28cacophony:p
07:45:48cacophonypaco: what platform?
07:46:04cacophonybloodshed is a good standards compliant one for windows
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07:46:32pacoyou, im not in europe right now either
07:46:58pacoi have the powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1
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07:47:16pacowhich means that im running tiger with gcc 4
07:49:07paco100 members
07:49:29Paul_The_NerdWell, specifically if you're making for ipod, which arm-elf-gcc version?
07:50:05Kyomihead-shoulders-knees-and-toes-knees-and-toes?
07:50:26pacoarm-elf-gcc 2.95.3 (295)
07:50:58Paul_The_NerdIck
07:51:04Paul_The_NerdYou need to be using 4.0 or better
07:51:10pacoah
07:52:29*Paul_The_Nerd is soon going to want a new Title for in the forum.
07:52:46VoltageX:( I wish I was good at C
07:53:16infamisVoltageX: I wish I was good at _something_...
07:53:18pacoim trying to get a class started in my school
07:53:53pacobut unfortunately its much too "macho" and chauvanistic for a serious computer course
07:55:18VoltageXpaco: you a C programmer?
07:55:21infamisso what does that make a serious computer course, feminine?
07:55:28infamislol
07:56:24paconot at all
07:57:12dj-fuschools are mostly about rugby
07:57:17dj-fuand/or football
07:57:21dj-fuprogramming is illegal
07:57:30pacobut i attend a more traditional school that appreciate football players basking heads more than computer nerds like myself that crunce numbers
07:57:51dj-fu^^
07:57:52infamisNot if your school is the top in the state...academic decathalon was what 'school' was about
07:58:00pacoVoltageX: no, im barely proficcient in it
07:58:15pacoyeah, well mine isnt
07:58:49infamisthe athletes were the minority (and were also pathetic, at that) at my school
07:59:00pacolol
07:59:18pacothe IT guys at my school are the most incompetent people ever
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07:59:40ashridahare they drunks?
07:59:44infamisincompetent? how so?
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08:00:02dj-fuwannabe IT dudes
08:00:10Slocketman!help
08:00:24pacoyeah
08:00:28Slocketmanright... /
08:00:40infamisleft...?
08:00:50pacothey sit in their little room all day and do nothing
08:01:00Paul_The_NerdDo SD cards come in different physical size?
08:01:03pacothey dont patch, upgrade, or fix anything
08:01:10*Paul_The_Nerd though standard SD cards where a standard size
08:01:11Slocketmantried to use ! instead of / for a command...
08:01:17VoltageXPaul_The_Nerd: there's SD and MiniSD
08:01:23Paul_The_NerdMiniSD isn't SD though
08:01:31Slocketmanit's miniSD
08:01:31pacoand isnt there an xSD?
08:02:05Paul_The_NerdSpecifically relating to this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3574.msg26304;topicseen#msg26304 though I thought it was just supposed to only support one of those two types in the slot anyway
08:02:09infamisat my school we got root for 2 whole years before they found out
08:02:15*Paul_The_Nerd unfortunately is a lot less capable of helping Archos users
08:02:23pacolol
08:02:29pacothat's cool
08:02:32infamisdamn novell
08:02:47pacothey run windows server 2003 at mine
08:03:04pacoone of the guys barely speaks english
08:03:17infamisthose are the best kinds of IT people!
08:03:31pacoand if there's something wrong with a computer, his solution is to take out a hard drive and put in another
08:03:33VoltageXinfamis: on mac you can get root by hitting apple+s at boot
08:03:40dj-fuhax.
08:04:06infamisI hate macs...though I've never used them :)
08:04:14pacothey're alright
08:04:22infamislooks to cartoony
08:04:24pacosolidly built, but not worth the money
08:04:27infamislike windows xp default theme
08:04:32pacolol
08:04:39pacoyou mean the fisher price theme
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08:05:25pacoso i got arm-elf-gcc 4.0.0.1 but when i make the file it says that im still using arm-elf-gcc 2.95.3
08:05:31infamisyeah just give me a rectangular, solid-colored window with normal times font & I'm good
08:06:06pacoyeah, i dont really like fancy shells
08:06:09infamisdo you install in the same dir?
08:06:13infamis*did
08:06:16pacoi like the fluxbox
08:06:36pacoor the windows blackbox port if in useing windows
08:06:39pacousing*
08:07:15dj-fuyep, bb4win is neato.
08:07:21Slocketmani think i'm using... zezayer?
08:07:22Paul_The_Nerdpaco: Well, you need to probably overwrite 2.95.3, or remove it from the path, and then put 4.0.0.1 in the path
08:07:31Slocketmanyes. zezayer is nice
08:07:36dj-fuor change the symlink to point at 4.0.0.1
08:07:39dj-fu(lol)?
08:07:48pacoproblem is that i cant find the 2.95.3 path
08:07:52dj-fuis this on mac?
08:07:53infamisdo a whereis
08:07:56pacoyep
08:08:00dj-fushit :)
08:08:03dj-fuI don't know crap about mac console
08:08:09pacoim gouging my eyes out at this point
08:08:09infamis^ditto
08:08:14dj-fuif it's like nix, `which gcc`
08:08:21pacowell, lets put it like this
08:08:48pacoits a shitty mock-up for a *nix terminal with 1/1000 of the functionality
08:08:56pacoits gcc 4.0.0.1
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08:10:06infamisor do the #1 incompetent-IT solution: format your drive & reinstall the OS
08:10:22dj-fulol
08:10:29dj-fuinstall ubuntu dapper drake
08:10:31dj-fupower to the people
08:10:41pacoi havent tried that out yet
08:10:44pacoany good?
08:10:48dj-fufully
08:10:57dj-fuhttp://deejayfuzion.t4c0.info/music/Screenshot.png
08:10:58pacoits just a graphical installer, right?
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08:11:15pacooh, nice
08:11:20dj-fu;]
08:11:29dj-fuI've disabled that as latest updates are broken
08:11:32dj-fuhoping for a fix asap
08:11:35dj-fualthough it's very nice, even without that.
08:11:40dj-fuhas something for evetything i wanna do
08:11:43infamisdj-fu: wth?? 3d desktop?
08:11:48dj-fuinfamis, correct
08:11:50dj-funice, no?
08:11:55pacoindeed
08:12:05dj-fuMy four workspaces are mapped onto the horizontal faces of a cube
08:12:16dj-funot to mention windows which "wobble" and become transparent when moved
08:12:17infamisI'm too plain of a guy to want all that :)
08:12:20dj-fulol :)
08:12:22pacoim thinkin of just getting an old ubuntu disk, going into live and seeing if this will work from there
08:12:27dj-fuit has the Mac OS "expose" trick, too.
08:12:34pacolol
08:12:44ashridahit's a pity the extension required to do some of that stuff hasn't been finalized in nvidia's 3d driver.
08:12:52dj-fuonly for aiglx
08:12:57ashridah(well, finalized full stop, really, since it hasn't standardized)
08:13:14pacoyeah, cause im stuck with nvidea crap, and the nv driver really doesnt suffice
08:13:28dj-funvidia support for Xgl is > ati
08:13:30Galoisthat's actually really useful, because without it n00bs go "wtf where's my desktop" when they accidentally switch desktops
08:13:31dj-fuand I run ATI (go figure)
08:13:50pacolol
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08:14:10infamisGalois: I used to do that...til I only limited myself to 1 workspace
08:14:13Galoiswhereas with the cube graphic, the n00b goes "hey neat" and actually tries to figure out how it works
08:14:21sayoceangot a question for anyone who can help me ipod G5
08:14:29sayoceanon itunes, i have a song that shows up
08:14:33sayoceanbut on the ipod, it is missing..
08:14:35sayoceanany idea what is going on?
08:14:42ashridahdj-fu: ah, not quite. the Xgl stuff uses an extension that even the most recent nvidia drivers hacen't supported yet, so you're stuck with mesa for the effects (not that they're slow with mesa, surprisingly, they're pretty fast)
08:14:43dj-furm -rf itunes/
08:14:47Galoisrockbox doesn't show your itunes files
08:14:51sayoceangalois
08:14:58sayoceanim talking about apple firmware
08:14:59sayoceanlol
08:15:10Galoiscan't help you there, I've never used itunes
08:15:14sayoceananyone?
08:15:17dj-fuashridah, !?! I did not know that. I thought that extension was only used for aiglx, not xgl
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08:15:27pacocya guys, im booting into dedicated linux
08:15:28infamisit shows up on itunes under 'iPod'
08:15:33sayoceanyep
08:15:37paconot this mac os x mockup bull
08:15:41pacoadios
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08:15:46sayoceanbut when i disconnect
08:15:48dj-fusayocean, it's probably in the iTunesDB, but not on the drive.
08:15:51sayoceanand look at my ipod
08:15:54sayoceanits not there
08:15:56dj-fu^^
08:15:59ashridahinfamis: http://people.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi btw. it's 58MB, but well worth watching for the effects
08:16:01sayoceandj fu and idea how to remedy it?
08:16:08dj-fuI had the same issues, and gave up. now I run rockbox
08:16:17Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Is it a store bought file? What format is it?
08:16:28sayoceanits a song i ripped from a cd
08:16:29sayoceanmp3
08:16:32dj-fulol
08:16:39dj-futry find it in disk mode?
08:16:48infamisdunno...I'm anti-iPod but've had to mess with iPod/itunes for my girlfriend & dad's iPods
08:16:58Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: And it doesn't show up in TagCache? Have you tried forcing a clean tagcache update (deleting the old tagcache files?)
08:17:11sayoceanpaul, this is for apple firmware
08:17:20sayoceani forgot to mention, i can find the song via SONGS
08:17:27sayoceanbut when i go through Artists, its not there
08:17:36Paul_The_NerdSounds like it doesn't have a proper Artist tag then
08:17:36sayoceanbut on my itunes, its tagged correctly
08:17:37infamisincorrectly tagged?
08:17:44sayoceanits correctly tagged
08:17:46Paul_The_NerdThere's *something* wrong with the tag
08:17:48sayoceani have two versions of the song
08:17:49midkaysayocean, are you tagging it on the iPod or in your library?
08:17:52sayoceanone original, one remix
08:17:55sayoceanthe remix one doesnt show
08:17:57Paul_The_NerdOr at least, there's something wrong with how Apple supports the tag.
08:18:01sayoceanlibrary
08:18:02midkayi've only had that problem when the artist tag is missing..
08:18:11Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: This is really something you should be asking Apple, as we're Rockbox, a very very very different style of group
08:18:11midkayit needs to be tagged on the iPod of course..
08:18:13sayoceananyway to rebuild the itunes.db ?
08:18:27Galoisby the way, this is one of the reasons I hate itunes: it adds an unwelcome layer of complexity between the keyboard and your files
08:18:28midkayjust go to 'iPod' in iTunes, and retag it directly on the iPod.
08:18:39sayoceangrr.
08:18:41sayoceandid that
08:18:52Galoiswith a file-browser approach, there's no question as to whether you have the right tag or not
08:18:56midkaythen it'd work, something didn't happen right..
08:19:02infamissee what the tags actually are using winamp or something
08:19:58sayoceananyone here use Ephod ?
08:20:28dj-futhe whole iTunesDB system is shite
08:20:32dj-fuI'm glad to be rid of my iPod software
08:20:37infamisI used to back in '02
08:20:46infamis..use ephpod
08:21:02sayoceanok
08:21:04sayoceangot it to work
08:21:08sayoceanbut i had to go to itunes
08:21:13sayoceanthen retag it
08:21:24sayoceanit didnt have anything in for "album"
08:21:28sayoceanafter i put "misc" it shows up now
08:21:32sayoceanbut wtf
08:21:42sayoceanthat was retarded
08:21:43Paul_The_NerdIt's their software.
08:21:50Paul_The_NerdAnd it's you who's choosing to still use it.
08:23:04dj-funod
08:23:30sayoceani did notice
08:23:40sayoceanthat the new bleeding edges weren't "pausing" as much
08:24:21Paul_The_NerdWhat kind of iPod do you have again, and what bitrate files were you using?
08:24:38sayocean5G (video)
08:24:46sayoceanmostly 192k and VBR
08:25:11Paul_The_NerdAnd you've been using a WPS that doesn't show a peakmeter?
08:25:27sayoceanyep
08:25:32sayoceanwell not anymor
08:25:35Paul_The_NerdAnd you have the equalizer set to "off"
08:25:35sayoceannot after you told me not to
08:25:41sayoceanive been using iAmp
08:25:50sayoceanwith equalizer, crossfeed, crossfade off
08:25:53Paul_The_NerdHm
08:26:02Paul_The_NerdThat's odd, because most people don't get pausing with it like that.
08:26:20sayoceanno no, what im saying is, compared to like 5 days ago, the pausing has stopped more or less
08:26:25sayoceaneven on the "info/credits' page
08:26:33infamisWe need a karma lookalike wps....anybody?
08:26:46Paul_The_NerdWell "Has stopped more or less" is quite different from "not as much"
08:27:00Paul_The_NerdDoes it do pausing while in the WPS?
08:27:04sayoceannope
08:27:14Paul_The_NerdSo, then why are you using the Apple OS?
08:27:19Paul_The_NerdI thought the pausing was the big thing for you
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08:27:23sayoceanonly happened once so far with the new CVS
08:27:32sayoceanand that was when i was changing the background color
08:27:44Paul_The_NerdWhich isn't "In the WPS" really
08:28:00sayoceancause itd be a bitch to transfer all 50+ gigs i already have on my ipod via itunes back to my PC, and back to ipod for rockbox again
08:28:02infamisPausing happens for me when there's a lot of scrolling too of the artist/title/etc..
08:28:12Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Why not use TagCache?
08:28:26Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Also... that's "Start transfer, go to sleep, wake up, transfer finished."
08:28:29sayoceandoes tagcache update itself everytime i add new stuff?
08:28:42sayoceani have 1.4 gigs left on my pc
08:28:46sayoceanits not happening
08:28:57Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: You deleted the files from your PC after transferring them to the iPod?
08:29:23Paul_The_NerdAnd yes, TagCache should automatically update when you add things.
08:29:32Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, just the person i was hoping would be on
08:29:32sayoceanpaul yes i did, delete them
08:29:35midkayPaul_The_Nerd, really?
08:29:44Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: It's *supposed* to at least.
08:29:47sayoceanalso, when i do Tag Cache
08:29:59Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Adding is supposed to work. Removing is not yet. At least, that's what I thought.
08:30:02sayoceanand its done and i browse, it will say "searching, found (0)"
08:30:04sayoceanwhich is odd
08:30:06Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Something I can help you with?
08:30:10Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, now i already know the answer... but maybe u know some ghetto way to do this
08:30:13midkayPaul_The_Nerd, i had no idea that code was in place. i thought it had to be updated manually each time.. it'd be rescanning on boot then or something?
08:30:25Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, can i make smart playlist, aka top 25 most played and such with RB
08:30:26Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: You did shut down properly, and reboot first?
08:30:39Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I believe so, yes. Not 100% certain, but I think so.
08:30:43Galoisinfamis: I'm not sure it is yet possible to have a Karma lookalike WPS
08:30:47midkayhmm.
08:30:55midkayinteresting :)
08:31:03Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Not at the moment. The facilities to do that have been removed, but expect them to return HOPEFULLY with 3.1
08:31:05sayoceanshutdown properly as in hold down on PLAY button
08:31:10Paul_The_NerdYes
08:31:13sayoceanyep
08:31:15Angel_of_Deathwhens 3.1 expected
08:31:16infamisGalois: how do you figure?
08:31:22Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: And your TagCache is empty?
08:31:24Galoisthe Karma has two useful WPS displays, one shows you six songs in the playlist, and the other shows you an oscope trace of the audio
08:31:33sayoceanits not
08:31:38sayoceanall the artists, albums show up
08:31:39sayoceanBUT
08:31:41Galoisright now rockbox has no built in facilities for showing playlists or oscopes in the WPS
08:31:54sayoceanit also says "searching.found (0)" or something liek that right before it lists the artists or albums
08:32:13Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Do your files have Genre tags?
08:32:14Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, u know of the top of ur head when 3.1 is expected
08:32:15infamisI usually just used the default progress indicator....just something nice & simple
08:32:29midkaynovember-ish..
08:32:40infamisall the other wps's look too graphicy (even if it is all text)
08:32:43Angel_of_Deathdang man by the time rockbox is *released* for 5g ipod..... its gonna be so good lol.... i mean it already makes apple firmware look like childs play
08:32:45sayoceanpaul, some do, some dont
08:32:46Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: It's scheduled for November. The RuntimeDB features may or may not be in it. They may be earlier, or later. It's just *hoped* they will.
08:33:07Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Well, is there a Genres entry inside of tagcache for you?
08:33:08Angel_of_Deathi hope they will will be before
08:33:19Angel_of_Deaththats one thing i liked about apple
08:33:21sayoceanpaul what do ya mean?
08:33:22Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: I'm just thinking something in the tagcache.config is going wrong. But I don't really know
08:33:32Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Is there a Genres entry beside Artists and Albums
08:33:40sayoceanyeh
08:33:54midkayi think my efforts will be futile, but - does anyone available know much about rockbox's menu code? anyone watching from the shadows? :)
08:34:34Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Wait, is the "searching.found (0)" displayed on the screen, or are you talking about something that flashes and is gone?
08:35:23sayoceanit flashes for a sec and its gone. then it lists all the artists
08:35:26sayoceanor albums
08:35:29sayoceanif i choose albums
08:35:31Paul_The_NerdSee, you need to be explicit.
08:35:35Paul_The_NerdYou said that it displays "before" them
08:35:47Paul_The_NerdBut you never said it clears.
08:35:55Paul_The_NerdIn a list, "before" is above.
08:36:22Paul_The_NerdIt shows .found (0) because when it starts searching it has not yet found any. With long lists, you may actually see that number increase briefly as it goes.
08:36:44sayoceanhuh? i said "[01:32] <sayocean> it also says "searching.found (0)" or something liek that right before it lists the artists or albums"
08:36:52Paul_The_NerdYes
08:36:52sayocean'right before'
08:36:54Paul_The_NerdBefore it lists
08:36:57Paul_The_NerdYou did not say it clears
08:36:57sayoceanright
08:37:04sayoceanmy bad
08:37:09sayoceanis that normal?
08:37:24Paul_The_Nerd"Before it lists" could very easily mean "Above the list" as any text above a list is before it on the screen
08:37:42sayoceani have 50+ gigs.. so i have tons of artists.. then why wouldnt it say foudn (250)
08:37:44sayoceanor something like that?
08:38:14Paul_The_NerdBecause it disappears too quickly?
08:38:19sayoceanhmm
08:38:20sayoceanmaybe
08:38:53Paul_The_Nerd"maybe"
08:39:28Paul_The_NerdTry it with a particularly long list.
08:39:31Paul_The_NerdLike All Songs
08:39:39Paul_The_NerdSee if it visibly increases before it clars
08:39:41Paul_The_Nerdclears
08:39:59scorchemidkay: got some 2300 mAh batteries...works fine...still trying to figure out what went wrong with the other ones
08:40:34midkayscorche, good that they work but still odd, yeah. surely other people have used 2400mAh ones.. but i've never heard of such a thing happening like your problem.
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08:41:10scorcheit made me sad that they worked though
08:41:16scorchei wanted to hear the beeping again
08:41:31midkayhaha. keep a set of the 2400mAh ones around! :)
08:41:36midkayfor your beeping pleasure..
08:41:56scorchei do, but they only beeped that once....it gets even odder =P
08:42:14sayoceanpaul
08:42:20midkayhaha, whoa..
08:42:21Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Que?
08:42:27sayoceanwhen i shutdown the ipod while its updating tagcache, does it have to start it all over again?
08:42:28scorcheindeed...
08:42:57Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: I really couldn't say. I've not tested that one, and so far nobody's told me "Hey, it was updating, but I felt like shutting it off halfway through."
08:43:33sayoceanah fuck
08:43:35sayoceanit just froze on me
08:43:39sayoceani guess thats another issue
08:43:50sayoceanwhen you accidently press too many buttons/commands, it freezes up
08:44:04Paul_The_NerdHmm
08:44:20scorchenow i have to figure out if blue, red, or pure white LCDs would look better
08:44:29Paul_The_NerdI've never managed to freeze my ipod that way.
08:44:44Paul_The_NerdIn fact, the only time my ipod has ever frozen has been when the playback engine was being reworked this last week
08:45:05sayoceanfack
08:45:12sayoceanive been browsing the rockbox forum
08:45:15Paul_The_NerdAnd the Data Aborts when we were trying to get Doom and Voice working, but that doesn't qualify since that was "We know this doesn't work yet, let's start trying it not-working to find out where it fails"
08:45:17scorcheonly time i have had an ipod freeze on me, was when it was low on batteries..lol
08:45:21sayoceanand the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common
08:45:48Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Which issue? Because I've literally read every post in the last 4 months, and nobody has described an "It freezes when I press a bunch of buttons" bug.
08:46:01sayoceanlet me link you
08:46:07dj-fupwned by sarcasm
08:46:15sayoceanwho got pwnt?
08:46:33*Paul_The_Nerd waits for the link.
08:46:51*infamis plays jeopardy theme
08:46:53*sayocean looking for the link
08:47:11Paul_The_NerdI thought you said it was pretty common
08:47:20sayoceanit is
08:47:22sayoceanhold on my friend
08:47:50sayocean"Problems i am having with this is that some things if i skip a song foward, the whole frimware freezes. Also, there is a high pitch glitchy sound in the beginning of the song. The stopping while playing mp3s still occur, but not as much as the older frimware that i tryed. "
08:47:54sayoceanhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.45
08:48:09Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: A) That has nothing to do with pressing multiple buttons at once
08:48:18sayoceani didnt say all at once
08:48:31Paul_The_NerdYou said too quickly
08:48:34sayocean[01:44] <sayocean> when you accidently press too many buttons/commands, it freezes up
08:48:38sayoceannope
08:48:47sayoceani said too many buttons slash commands
08:48:50Paul_The_NerdOkay
08:48:53Paul_The_NerdAnd do you mean "Ever"
08:48:58Paul_The_NerdOr do you mean within a short period of time?
08:49:07sayoceanwithin a short period of time
08:49:10Paul_The_NerdThen it's quickly
08:49:19Paul_The_NerdNow, if you read that post
08:49:23Paul_The_NerdHe describes "skipping forward"
08:49:26Paul_The_NerdWhich is in fact ONE button press
08:49:32sayoceanno quickly would be as if i was playing a video game that requires me punching the buttons like a maniac
08:49:34Paul_The_NerdThe reason his bug occurred was a problem with the playback engine itself
08:49:40Paul_The_NerdA problem that in fact does not exist in the CVS build
08:49:42sayoceanwhat im talking about is, pressing pause, to pause the song
08:49:49sayoceanthen pressing the select button
08:49:54sayoceanthen trying to go back to the song
08:50:36Paul_The_NerdOkay, and what does that have to do with his bug?
08:50:52sayoceanProblems i am having with this is that some things if i skip a song foward, the whole frimware freezes.
08:51:08Paul_The_NerdBut you just described Pause->Select->Play
08:51:21sayoceanit doesnt have to be "Pause , Select, Play"
08:51:36Paul_The_NerdYes, but see his bug we've already established is a playback system issue
08:51:39sayoceanin general, too many commands in a short period of time (call it "quickly" if you want to), it willf reeze it up
08:51:41Paul_The_NerdThat's not in the new CVS version
08:51:55sayoceanwell it just happened to me a few mins ago
08:52:05Paul_The_NerdSo, I would again ask that you show me evidence of this "Pressing too many buttons in a short to moderate amount of time" bug is common in the forums
08:52:17sayocean"Also, there is a high pitch glitchy sound in the beginning of the song. The stopping while playing mp3s still occur, but not as much as the older frimware that i tryed. "
08:52:26sayoceanand that one just sums it all up. its not my ipod at all
08:52:32Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: That bug too is fixed
08:52:32sayoceanits a common issue
08:52:39sayoceanhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.0
08:52:47sayoceanjust read that forum from first to last
08:52:50sayoceanit might be fixed
08:53:08Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: That thread is quite full of bugs
08:53:08sayoceanbut what im saying is, you thought that the bugs/problems might have been an isolated issue with just my ipod, but its not
08:53:17scorche...
08:53:31Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: I told you I've literally read every post in the last 4 months. I was not joking
08:53:36Paul_The_NerdI have read every post in that thread.
08:53:46sayoceanlol
08:53:47sayoceank
08:54:00Paul_The_NerdThere are many different bugs covered in that thread
08:54:06Paul_The_NerdThe one you linked me to was fixed 2 days ago
08:54:12sayoceanyeh i noticed
08:54:20sayoceanim not saying that the bugs are still around
08:54:21Paul_The_NerdSo, the problem you are having NOW is not Common
08:54:25sayoceanexcept maybe the freezing up one
08:54:29infamisRound 2???
08:54:31sayoceani totally understand that
08:54:32Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, another question
08:54:42scorchepopcorn anyone?
08:54:42Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Then why did you say that YOUR problem was common in the forums?
08:54:42sayoceanmy point wasn't to argue that the bugs are still prevalent
08:54:56Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: What can I do for ye?
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08:55:03sayoceanto prove my point that the bugs werent JUST for my ipod and not on other 5Gs
08:55:05Angel_of_Deathwhile im playing music, if i scroll thru my artist folder at a decent speed my music stops or skips
08:55:10Angel_of_Deathuntill i stop scrolling
08:55:13sayoceanangel, thats what happens to me too
08:55:18Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: But you just admitted that the problem you have ISN'T that one.
08:55:18sayoceanor at least it used to
08:55:20Angel_of_Deathbrother says this is due to the buffer running out
08:55:24Angel_of_Deathis there a way to prevent this?
08:55:28sayoceancopy paste paul ?
08:55:30Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: You disproved your own point.
08:55:44Paul_The_Nerd(1:54:18 AM) sayocean: i totally understand that
08:55:51Paul_The_NerdI assume that was in response to the last statement I made before it?
08:55:55sayocean1) point was , the bugs i used to have weren't just on my ipod
08:55:58VoltageXwell I've mastered helloworld, now what should I try :P
08:56:05sayocean2) the bug i have left on my ipod = freezing up on me
08:56:07sayoceanthose were my 2 poitns
08:56:08sayoceanpoints
08:56:11sayoceannothing else
08:56:20Angel_of_Deathwell Paul_The_Nerd is there a way to increase the buffer
08:56:24sayocean[01:54] <Paul_The_Nerd> So, the problem you are having NOW is not Common
08:56:25Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Yeah. Except you said that "and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common"
08:56:29Angel_of_Deathso that it doesnt skip or stop
08:57:01sayoceanand ur right, the issues that i did describe a few days ago such as pausing up when scrolling and making screeching noises for the first second when i skip songs
08:57:08Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: Skipping is most often caused by the CPU not keeping up. Pick a WPS without peakmeters, and don't use the equalizer. The buffer size doesn't matter usually, because if the CPU can't keep 1k filled, it certainly can't keep 5mb or more filled
08:57:25Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: You weren't talkign about the days ago issues though. You were talking about issues you had now.
08:57:37Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: There's no point in complaining NOW about bugs that no longer exist.
08:57:56Angel_of_Deathok guess ill stick with it then, cause i love my waps and my meters And my bass =) lol
08:57:57Paul_The_NerdYou said specifically that there's an issue where you press accidentally too many buttons
08:57:58sayoceanlol but i wasnt complaining, i was only complaining about the FREEZING up issue
08:58:00sayoceannothing else
08:58:02Angel_of_Deaththanks for the advise tho
08:58:03Paul_The_NerdThen your next statement was that it was common
08:58:15sayoceanyeh it was a TOTALLY separate statement
08:58:21Paul_The_NerdHow could anyone infer that?
08:58:27sayoceangoing back to the issues i had few days ago
08:58:30Angel_of_DeathOH and another thing Paul_The_Nerd theres a way to page down on the 5g correct? so u dont have to scroll?
08:59:06Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: If you complain about a problem, then you say "and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common" without describing ANY other issues, one can only assume the issues you refer to are the most recently described ones.
08:59:34sayoceanwell my bad on not being so explicit
08:59:35Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: I don't believe there is a page down at the moment, but I'm not sure.
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09:00:14Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: I already explained to you earlier in the conversation that you need to be explicit. Tell me, what clues in your conversation implicitly told a normal human that you had switched topics from "bugs that bother me now" to "Problems I had several days ago, but have not yet talked about today?"
09:00:43sayoceando i need to get down on my knees and say 'sorry' or something?
09:01:04sayoceani think we all get the point that the FAULT is on me for not being so explicit
09:01:13Paul_The_NerdWell, a "I'll try to be clearer next time" would be nice.
09:01:20Angel_of_Deathhmmmmmmm
09:01:24Angel_of_Deathgah
09:01:27sayoceanI'll try to be clearer next time
09:01:43Paul_The_NerdIt's very hard to help people if they switch pronoun targets without telling you.
09:01:45Angel_of_Deathdam straight u will
09:02:04Angel_of_Deathlol
09:02:23*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
09:02:32sayocean:(
09:02:47sayoceanhow long does tagcache take for you angel?
09:02:56Angel_of_Deathummmmmm
09:02:59Angel_of_Deathfew seconds
09:03:14spitballanyone want to help me rewrite rockbox in COBOL?
09:03:17sayoceanORYL ?
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09:03:22sayoceanhow many gigs you got used on ipod?
09:03:30sayoceanmines been goin for a few mins
09:03:39Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: You can check the status of it in the Debug menu
09:03:39Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, Are you aware of the button button combo play + up / down which scrolls by pages?
09:03:41sayoceanim guessing tagcache is done once u can't hear the HD spin
09:03:46Angel_of_Deathhe must have been talking not about the 5g
09:03:50sayoceanhow do i do that paul?
09:03:57Paul_The_NerdAngel_of_Death: I'm aware of the combo, but wasn't aware you could do it properly on Ipod
09:04:15Angel_of_Deathsayocean, ive got 14gb used on my iPod
09:04:18Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Go into the menu, choose Info, then Debug, then TagCache Status
09:04:39sayoceanLOL
09:04:45sayocean1628%
09:04:46sayoceanwtf
09:04:49Paul_The_NerdHm
09:04:52Angel_of_Deathguess its done
09:04:53Angel_of_Deathlol
09:04:54Paul_The_NerdAnd you are using how new of a build?
09:04:59Angel_of_DeathLMFAO
09:05:00sayoceanbleeding edge
09:05:02sayoceanfrom like an hour ago
09:05:06Angel_of_Deathwell ur bleeding for it now
09:05:14Paul_The_NerdHm
09:05:24Paul_The_NerdWell, perhaps the status doesn't work right on iPods yet, or has some other issue
09:05:33Paul_The_NerdWell, when the virtual HD LED stops blinking
09:05:45sayoceanu figure, with 50+ gigs , it would take a few mins, is that correct?
09:05:57sayoceanpaul, theres a virtual HD LED in the ipod?
09:06:00Angel_of_Deathwell mines 14gb and took me a few seconds
09:06:04Paul_The_Nerd"virtual" is the key word
09:06:06sayoceanoh right
09:06:07Paul_The_NerdUp near the clock
09:06:08Angel_of_Deathbut iwouldnt be surpised if it took u much longer
09:06:08sayoceannext to the time
09:06:09sayoceanok
09:06:33BHSPitLappyPaul_The_Nerd: you familiar with the sudoku plugin?
09:06:45Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy: I know it exists. :-P
09:06:50BHSPitLappyok
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09:07:34ashridahgod damned connect-4
09:07:50ashridahi can beat the agent they've given us to play against, but not consistently :/
09:07:57ashridahstupid randomized agent
09:08:38BHSPitLappysuggestion: a key combo that exits all plugins
09:08:41sayoceanpaul, are you sure about TagCache updating each time I add new tracks via iTunes?
09:08:43BHSPitLappyby force
09:08:50dj-futhat's a good idea, BHSPitLappy
09:08:59midkayobjection: most combos are needed in one plugin or another..
09:09:02Angel_of_Deathwhy would u use itunes
09:09:23sayoceangood point
09:09:36Slasherisayocean: auto updating works only if dircache is enabled and tagcache is loaded to ram
09:09:43sayoceanis there a way to view both ID3 tags AND mp3s u have on ur F:
09:10:06Angel_of_Deathyes, load to ram
09:10:13Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: It *should* update each time. But that may not be working. If it isn't, a forced update should work anyway
09:10:41Angel_of_Deathoh, i have one new GMAIL
09:10:55Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Why don't you just switch back to File View when you need to see files?
09:11:13sayoceani could
09:11:14sayoceani suppose
09:11:22Angel_of_Deathjust hold menu now with bleeding edge
09:11:35Angel_of_Deaththen click the play button the amount of times u need to
09:12:11sayoceanangel, what is this 'button combo ' u speak of
09:12:25Angel_of_Deathhold menu
09:12:31Angel_of_Deathand a screen should pop up
09:12:40Angel_of_Deathalowing u to change shuffle, repeat, and file view easily
09:12:46sayoceanright..
09:12:52sayoceanthats the button combo?
09:13:00Angel_of_Deathhold menu when not in the now playing screen
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09:13:07Angel_of_Deathmight work in the now playing screen, havent tried
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09:13:49Angel_of_Death:P
09:14:28infamisit works in the wps
09:14:55Angel_of_Deathinfamis, i never said it wasnt feesible
09:15:04sayoceanwtf
09:15:12sayoceanit only shows artists A through C
09:15:19sayoceanand when i get down to the end of C, therse an Arrow
09:15:19Angel_of_Deathinfamis, i said i would like it if it was changed some
09:15:46infamisyou lost me...that's what I get for reading the last few lines in the channel
09:16:07Angel_of_Deathlol
09:16:12Angel_of_Deathi just read ur comment on the tracker
09:16:27infamisabout what
09:16:38Angel_of_Deathabout the playlist thing
09:16:50sayoceanangel, do you know how to use the "search by Artists" ?
09:16:56infamisfirefox: new tab! go!
09:17:16Angel_of_Deathummm
09:17:20Angel_of_Deathdont use it
09:18:04sayoceanso if you wanted to play an artist like Zebrahead, u just scroll down for 10 mins???
09:18:15infamisAngel_of_Death: ahh, now I get you...I guess feesible was the wrong word
09:18:25ashridahsayocean: well, i'd be more inclined to scroll up like 3
09:18:27ashridahbut anyway :)
09:18:28infamisI have a horrible vocabulary
09:18:31Angel_of_Deathyer lol
09:18:32Angel_of_Deathits ok
09:19:09infamisYou don't know how hard I have to catch myself from describing constantly using the word 'like'
09:19:56Angel_of_Deathlol
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09:20:39infamiswelcome back
09:21:17sayoceanwhat a nightmare
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09:21:30infamiswhat's wrong?
09:21:37infamisjust wake up?
09:21:42sayoceanlol
09:21:42sayoceanno
09:21:49sayoceangoing from A to Z in the artists
09:21:55sayoceanand the scrolling is sooo slow
09:21:57sayoceanunlike apple
09:22:10ashridahsayocean: the scrolling should be able to accelerate.
09:22:36infamisEasy solution: listen to a less variety of artists :)
09:22:39Angel_of_Deathlol
09:22:42sayoceanis it an option as?
09:22:42Angel_of_Deathweve been over this
09:22:48Angel_of_Deathno its not
09:22:50Angel_of_Deathnot yet
09:22:52ashridahif it doesn't, it's a bug in the interface for the tag cache, because it's configurable for the file tree
09:23:15*ashridah notes that tagcache's interface needs work, natch
09:23:44amiconncrap
09:23:59Angel_of_Deathwhere! i dont see crap
09:24:51amiconnlostlogic: Another bug :( If you skip backward, allow a track to start, and then repeatedly skip backwards within the first few seconds, the wps keep going back in your tracks, but the playing track stays the same (!)
09:25:05sayoceanUGH
09:25:09sayoceantime to go back to apple
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09:25:16amiconnI managed it going back from track 7 to track 3 while still playing track 7 (!!)
09:25:24Angel_of_Deathlol sayocean are u serious?
09:25:37amiconnsayocean: I can't, and won't, never go 'back' to apple
09:25:43sayocean[01:58] <Angel_of_Death> OH and another thing Paul_The_Nerd theres a way to page down on the 5g correct? so u dont have to scroll?
09:25:48Angel_of_Deathapple is dead to me
09:25:49Angel_of_Deathlol
09:25:50sayoceanis there a way to page down instead of scrolling?
09:25:54ashridahamiconn: you won't "never" go back to apple?
09:25:58ashridahwee, double negative
09:26:09Angel_of_Deathummm not on 5g that we are aware of
09:26:10amiconnblarb
09:26:19Angel_of_Deathsince the 5g doesnt have the right buttons lol
09:26:22amiconn-never
09:26:29infamiswon't never means you will...but I wasn't going to bring it up
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09:26:44Paul_The_Nerd"won't never" doesn't mean you will.
09:26:57infamisto me it does
09:27:17Paul_The_NerdIt just means that in the future, your action will not be to "never go back"
09:27:41Paul_The_Nerd;-)
09:27:50Angel_of_Deathdouble negative!
09:28:15infamisto not go back but not do that only leaves one option
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09:29:16infamisnot 1 is not equal to 2, but not true is equal to false
09:29:21*amiconn notices how a simple mistake can start a lengthy discussion
09:29:22Paul_The_NerdAh, but "not go back" and "never go back" are two different things. Never implies that at no time in the future will he go back. Fortunately to us, it never IS the future, so he can always still "Not go back now"
09:29:47sayoceanpaul
09:29:53sayoceangot a question for you
09:29:54Angel_of_DeathPaul_The_Nerd, let it go lol
09:30:00*Paul_The_Nerd is just having fun.
09:30:05Paul_The_NerdWhat can I do for ya sayocean?
09:30:12Angel_of_Deathwhats the command to * what u say
09:30:16Angel_of_Deathsorry noob alert lol
09:30:19Paul_The_Nerd /me
09:30:26*Angel_of_Death thinks
09:30:29Angel_of_Deathcool
09:30:31amiconnWell, one point was that I can't go 'back' because I never really used the apple fw, and even can't, because I don't have itunes installed
09:30:41sayoceanWhen i Browse my Artists, it displays A-M and stops.. and at the end of the last artist on M, Matchbox 20, theres an arrow ( ====> )... is there anyway to display N-Z ?
09:30:46Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Are there any problems booting Apple OS on the Mini2g?
09:30:49sayoceani already reset my limit to the max
09:30:53amiconnI got my ipod for use with and hacking rockbox - only
09:30:54Angel_of_Deathtrue dat, i installed iTunes months ago
09:31:00*infamis blames amiconn for starting this
09:31:18Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: I can't answer that one. I've never had it stop like that with an arrow.
09:31:25ashridahit does for me too
09:31:28ashridahi presume it's currently a bug
09:31:48ashridahsince while it looks like it's a "page next" arrow, it doesn't actually do what it should.
09:31:54amiconnThe arrow is Slasheri's (non-working) attempt on chunked browsing
09:32:00Paul_The_NerdAaaah
09:32:20ashridahbut yes. all hail the development cycle
09:32:21sayoceanash, so for now, we are shit outta luck?
09:32:28sayoceanand we just have to use the search function?
09:32:31ashridahsayocean: the search stuff works for me.
09:32:43amiconnI would prefer seeing it replaced by true chunked browsing, like the old db code did
09:32:44Slasheriamiconn: and that will be fixed soon, i am just working with proper chunked browsing implementation
09:32:56amiconnnice :)
09:33:21sayoceanami, could you explain to me how to use the text entry
09:33:33sayoceanits frustrating to say the least.
09:33:37Paul_The_NerdI think the text entry is explained in the IpodFAQ
09:33:42sayoceanit is
09:33:52sayoceanbut how do i move the cursor Below the separating line
09:33:57sayoceanso i can select or delete
09:34:26infamiskeeping going down
09:34:27Paul_The_NerdYou keep moving down until you're there?
09:35:00sayoceanumm
09:35:01sayoceandoesnt work
09:35:21infamisI just tried it...
09:35:53amiconnworks here.
09:35:59Paul_The_Nerdsayocean: Works here on an ipod.
09:36:12midkaysame for me.
09:36:30infamis4 against 1
09:36:39sayoceanok got it
09:36:47Angel_of_Deathi would try it.
09:36:53Angel_of_Deathbut im stealing songs from the internet =)
09:36:53sayoceanit works on mine too
09:37:10sayoceani just didnt realize the cursor itself doesnt show up when its below the line
09:37:14midkaythe internet's going to want its songs back sooner or later, Angel_of_Death..
09:37:18midkaystealing from the internet is not a good idea.
09:37:28infamisfrom the internet? the internets are gonna sue you
09:37:44Angel_of_Deathnaw
09:38:14Angel_of_Deathi honestly dont know whats gonna happen to musicians if ppl pirate all their music
09:38:20Angel_of_Deaththey cant rely just on concerts lol
09:38:53infamisI doubt it would ever come to that...everyone downloading & no more buying
09:39:06infamisI download a lot but I also buy a lot
09:39:21midkayAngel_of_Death, so you're worried about musicians going out of business from having their music pirated, while *you're* doing it yourself?
09:39:28sayoceanok
09:39:31sayoceang/ntie everyone
09:39:33Angel_of_Deathi only download now, i mean if i had money to spend i would buy the cd's of the artists i wanted to support tho
09:39:36sayoceanthanks for your help paul
09:39:59Angel_of_Deathmidkay, yep basically :P
09:40:22midkayAngel_of_Death, convincing argument.. ah, and the "i'd do the right thing if i could" excuse, nice choice :)
09:40:28Angel_of_Deathi mean downloading comes with its prices anyways, spyware lol
09:40:39midkaynot if you have some sense, no..
09:40:50infamis^ what he said
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09:41:00Angel_of_Deathno, i would..and when i get christmas money and shit i spend alot of it at allofmp3.com
09:41:03midkaylet me guess, you're still using limewire/kazaa/morpheus/something even older?
09:41:06Angel_of_Deathits like 10cents a song there
09:41:17Angel_of_Deathlimewire.
09:41:42Angel_of_Deathi'de say ive only paid for like a 3rd of my music tho
09:41:56infamisI couldn't just buy _one_ song...even if it was cheap as hell...
09:41:57Angel_of_Deathbut i do buy when i can :P
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09:42:06Angel_of_Deathlol they sell by the artist to
09:42:08Angel_of_Deathalbums and such
09:42:12sayoceanslasheri
09:42:13sayoceanquestion
09:42:14Angel_of_Deathand u can pick the quality u want
09:42:18Angel_of_Deathnot like shitty itunes
09:42:19sayoceanwhere can i find the "dircache" option?
09:42:23Angel_of_Deathwhere its a dollar a song
09:42:54midkaygeneral settings - system - disk - dir cache.
09:42:59Angel_of_Deathactually i use Bit torrent sometimes for music to, rarely tho... only when its like all the songs that artist has ever released, but besides that its limewire
09:43:03Angel_of_Deathanyways back to rockbox
09:43:05midkayalthough if you want to wait for Slasheri's answer.. feel free.
09:43:07Slasheriyep, there it is
09:43:15midkaysurely none of us could manage to answer something that tough :)
09:43:22Slasheri=)
09:43:28midkaysayocean, i'd strongly suggest going through all the options..
09:43:33infamisI don't like buying downloaded stuff period...I'd rather buy the real physical object
09:43:37midkayyou'll know where they are and get everything set up the way you want it..
09:43:38sayoceanthanks
09:43:48sayoceanslash, another question
09:44:01sayoceanso for the time being, theres a limit to how many artists A-Z can be displayed?
09:44:06Angel_of_Deathi dont, not with cd's that way they are now lol
09:44:08sayoceanon browse artists?
09:44:19Angel_of_Deathlol i like that whole sony incident :P
09:44:21Slasherisayocean: currently yes, but that limit can be increased
09:44:31Slasheriyou can increase the max files in a dir setting
09:44:34Angel_of_Deathoh we didnt relize we were tracking information on ur computers with our recent cds
09:44:43sayoceanto 10K correct?
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09:44:50Slashericorrect
09:44:52sayoceaneven if i do that, it only displays A-Z :(
09:44:58Slasherihmm
09:44:59Galoisa normal CD is actually pretty good value for the money, especially used
09:45:04sayoceanoh Nevermin
09:45:05sayoceand
09:45:06sayoceanlol
09:45:08Galoisthe problem is that you can't hardly buy normal CDs anymore
09:45:12sayoceanmaybe restarting changed that
09:45:14Angel_of_Deathyep
09:45:22Galoisall you get now is this DRM'd copy protected fake CD
09:45:31Angel_of_Deathand u cant do anything with them, well u can
09:45:36Angel_of_Deathbut its harder then it should be
09:45:43Angel_of_Deathu bought it u should be able to do what u wish with it
09:45:45Galoisthat's the real crime, that the music industry is not even interested in helping out their legitimate customers
09:46:18sayoceanslash, one last question
09:46:30Slasherihehe, please just ask ;)
09:46:33Angel_of_Deathit's dumb that they are doing that, because the people who dont buy still dont, and the people who rip it off there CD's still manage to
09:46:34sayoceanis there a way to scroll up or down faster when browsing the artists or tracks?
09:46:37Angel_of_Deathso its a wasted effort
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09:46:47Galoisit's worse than wasted
09:46:52Slasherisayocean: i don't know about ipod, but on iriver holding play (=shift) enabled paged scrolling
09:46:56Galoisit's active warfare against their patrons. It's counterproductive.
09:47:11sayoceanhmm
09:47:15sayoceanplay = shift ?
09:47:33*midkay wonders why questions many others could answer are still directed at Slasheri. hmm... *keeps quiet*
09:47:35Angel_of_Deathsayocean, if u find a way to page scroll hit me up
09:47:37Slasherimight be, i don't have an ipod to try that..
09:47:48Slasheri:D
09:47:48sayoceanmidkay, can you help :)
09:47:52sayoceanthanks slash btw
09:47:54infamismidkay: it's cause Paul left...
09:47:55Slasherinp
09:48:04Angel_of_Deathoh em gee, paul left?
09:48:10Angel_of_Deathwow thats a first that ive seen lol
09:48:15midkayinfamis, so people just leech on to others that give them a bit of help, yes, i'm noticing that's how it works :)
09:48:43infamispretty muc
09:48:43infamish
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09:49:50Angel_of_Deathok its almost 4am, need to get up in a few hours here i need to rap it up
09:49:55Angel_of_Deathtime to rename all these songs
09:52:06infamislikewise, I'm gonna be at work all night if I stay here
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09:56:16HClwhat nonsense about the jeweled plugin
09:56:42HClunless that guy has a *patent* on the type of game and gameplay, he cannot claim copyright.
09:56:52HClnone of their code nor graphics was copied.
09:57:24HClpatents are for protection of ideas
09:57:32HClso unless he has a patent he's just totally wrong
09:57:35Angel_of_Deathalright chaps
09:57:41Angel_of_DeathHCI cool ur jets
09:57:43Angel_of_Deathwho cares
09:57:46Angel_of_Deathnite
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09:58:00HClwell
09:58:11Galoisthe US copyright system is just barely screwed up enough that a game creater might from time to time successfully obtain copyright protection for a set of gameplay rules
09:58:13HCli care for bigheaded people who try to bash on an opensource project :)
09:58:15infamiswasn't it just a name change
09:58:16scorcheHCI?....guess he doesnt know an acid when he sees one =(
09:58:25Avewoohay, I got a fresh ipod nano rockboxified here
09:58:37Galoisdidn't tetris get caught up in a big copyright (not patent) brouhaha?
09:58:37Aveeverything went smoothly
09:58:53HClas far as i know, in order to get copyright on an idea, you need a patent.
09:59:04HClthat's what patents are for
09:59:38GaloisTTC has licensed the Tetris mark to a number of companies, but courts have not decided on the legality of tetromino games that do not use the Tetris name.
09:59:40GaloisAccording to circulars available from the United States Library of Congress, a game cannot be copyrighted (only patented), which would invalidate much of TTC's copyright claim on the game
09:59:56Galoisso, basically, HCl, you're right, but it hasn't stopped people from trying
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10:00:34bancusIs there any way to shuffle the contents of a parent directory, rather than just a leaf directory?
10:00:45HClGalois: *nodsnods*
10:00:53Mikachuyou mean without shuffling the contents of the leaf directories?
10:00:59Mikachuin that case no
10:01:09bancusNo.
10:01:16Mikachuyou can shuffle your whole playlist
10:01:19bancusI have an Artist/Album structure
10:01:27HClGalois: care to reply that on the thread in the dev mailing list to settle this matter?
10:01:28bancussay I want to shuffle all the albums by one artist
10:01:40Mikachuall tracks in any order?
10:01:43bancusDo I need to make them a playlist in order to shuffle them?
10:01:45bancusyeah
10:01:47Galoisugh, I'm not into mailing lists
10:01:49Mikachujust add the Artist directory recursivery
10:01:50Mikachuly
10:01:51HClokay
10:01:53bancushow?
10:01:53HCli'll do it then :P
10:01:53GaloisI took that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris
10:01:59Mikachubancus: there's an option somewhere
10:02:01Galoisas everyone knows, wikipedia is _always_ right
10:02:12HClhaha
10:02:15Mikachubancus: also i think context menu insert is always recursive
10:02:21Mikachubancus: but maybe it isn't
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10:02:33bancushow do you access the context menu?
10:02:43Mikachuon ipods you hold select
10:02:58bancusaha
10:03:02bancusyeah, it's similar on my X5
10:03:17bancushm
10:03:24bancusexcept it doesn't find the tracks
10:03:37Mikachumaybe you need to turn on the recursive option after all
10:03:46bancushm
10:03:54Mikachuit's probably in Playlist Settings
10:04:00Aveyou guys know of the battery status indicator is working in daily/cvs code fir ipods?
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10:04:03GaloisUS lawsuits are far more heinous than in europe though. If you're sued in the US in civil court, there's no way to defend yourself unless you have a lot of money, *regardless* of the rights and wrongs of the actual case.
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10:04:04Aveif
10:04:05bancusoh, yeah, there it is
10:04:07MikachuAve: more or less
10:04:15Aveyay!
10:04:32*Ave is filled with glee
10:04:52bancusthanks, Mikachu
10:05:05Mikachuyw
10:05:11Galoisthe nano battery indicator displays correctly to within, say, 5%
10:05:26Galoisthe time remaining estimate of course is still way off
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10:05:54HClGalois: yea, us law sucks :S
10:05:58bancushm
10:06:07bancusit seems to be reading the length of my FLACs incorrectly
10:06:15Avedo you have a reading on the ipod of how much current is being drawn from the battery at any given time?
10:06:28GaloisI don't think any current readings exist
10:06:35Avehow do you estimate playback time?
10:06:49Aveor how does apple do it
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10:08:05Galoislinear extrapolation from a sequence of voltage readings, I think
10:08:19GaloisI'm not actually sure. It might just use a naive voltage to time function for all I know.
10:08:34Mikachuapple doesn't do it
10:08:42Mikachutheir meter only shows Empty, 20%, 80% and Full
10:08:52Galoishuh? I've seen 50% from apple's meter
10:09:05Mikachumaybe that one too then
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10:11:46Aveoh
10:11:50Avewell screw apple
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10:16:58Avewell I've used couple mp3 portable players and the ipod interface with rockbox beats em all hands down
10:17:11ashridahheh. well. to be on the safe side, i say change the name of jewels to something completely devoid of the word "jewels" (call it rock-n-row or something) and problem solved :)
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10:17:42Avecarbon conundrum
10:18:08Mikachui doubt a trademark on "bejeweled" covers "jewels"
10:18:36ashridahMikachu: it's going to be easier to fight if it doesn't contain even part of the name
10:19:52ashridahbesides, the guys going to have to attack http://sebdelestaing.free.fr/gweled/ if he wants to attack our version
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10:22:10ashridahinfact, if we call it "Diamond mine", we've basically used the same name as about 1 zillion clones, which could even predate popcap
10:22:29ashridahthen again
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10:22:37ashridahperhaps not, popcap have used that name too
10:23:12bancusare there any unicode fonts available?
10:23:18Mikachuyes
10:23:25Mikachu6+12x13 and unifont are unicode
10:24:32bancuswoot, thanks
10:25:30dj-fuso, is the random tiny pauses on ipod playback normal?
10:25:36dj-fuwith vbr mp3
10:25:54ashridahyeah, we designed it to do that :)
10:25:58Aveheh
10:25:59dj-fuah, sweet.
10:26:07dj-fui meant normal as in it's a known issue
10:26:19ashridahdj-fu: the playback code's been going through some fairly major rewrites atm, in order to simplify it
10:26:26Avewell I'm impressed, I cna play back q7 vorbis AND play "frozen bubble" the same time, no hiccups
10:26:28ashridahthe problem is, it's at the stage where it's a bit too simple
10:26:36*ashridah looks at lostlogic
10:26:38Mikachudj-fu: if you use a theme witohut peakmeters and don't use eq and crossfeed, it shouldn't skip
10:26:47dj-fuoh sweet.
10:27:12Mikachuyou can look at the info->debug->view audio thread
10:27:21Avebtw should latin1 filenames be supported or is it only utf8?
10:27:27AveI currently see '' as blank
10:27:30dj-fuwhat should I be looking at
10:27:32bancusyou can set the default
10:27:32Mikachufat32 is utf8
10:27:36bancusit's in the display settings
10:27:41bancusMikachu: I'm pretty sure that's untrue.
10:27:49AveI hope linux can do transparent file renaming then...
10:27:51Mikachui think the codepage is only for tags but that could be wrong
10:27:54dj-fufat32 needs utf8 for international haxinating
10:27:55bancusI believe you can use whatever 8-bit encoding with vfat.
10:28:23Mikachuyou can, but it specifies some sort of unicode internally
10:28:30MikachuAve: man mount.vfat
10:28:30bancusMikachu: the display settings changed my russian artist directories from blanks to squares
10:28:39Mikachubancus: heh
10:28:45bancuschanging it from latin-1 to utf8
10:28:47AveMikachu: I knew about -o utf8 but
10:28:53Mikachuif you mount with -o utf8 and use utf8 in linux, it will work
10:28:59Mikachuthat's all i can tell you with certainty
10:29:07Avebut I'm not using utf8 in linux :(
10:29:15Aveall my files are in latin1
10:29:17Mikachuyou can probably use some -o iocharset and stuff
10:29:22bancuseventually the whole world will use unicode, and this shit will stop being an issue
10:29:27Mikachubut i don't want to read the manpage for you :)
10:29:31AveI even changed my ubuntu laptop to use latin1 instead of wtf-8
10:29:44Aveyes I'll go read the manpage
10:29:52Mikachuit is hard to say こんにちは in latin1
10:29:56Aveindeed
10:30:12Avefortunately I dont have a need to say that particular thing
10:30:21bancusor спасибо
10:30:40AveI ran into utf8 problems with legacy systems so I had to turn it off for now
10:30:46bancusI have music in English, Russian, German, Spanish and Italian
10:30:50bancusUnicode++
10:31:25Mikachumy only problem is most linux apps use utf8 with id3v2.3 which is wrong, so i had to hack the tag reading in rockbox a bit
10:32:03RedBrevaCan someone help me with a nooby style linux question? I have created a link to the simulator, but can't see how to add the −−background parameter (VMWare Rockbox Buils + KDE)
10:32:35GaloisAve: it doesn't matter what you use, eventually everybody else will be utf8
10:32:45Aveyes I hope that too
10:32:52Avebut at the time there are some "kinks"
10:33:09Avethe more out of the box os's will use utf8, the better
10:33:11Galoisand you can't just stick your head in the sand on the grounds that you personally only know english. Even the most die-hard rednecks need to know how to calculate the length of a string and basic shit
10:33:24MikachuRedBreva: 'echo archosui −−background > file.sh; chmod +x file.sh'
10:33:25bancusoddly enough I find that the biggest users of non-utf8 encodings are people who use CJK and Russians
10:33:35Galoisbancus: yeah, foreigners have the same problem in reverse
10:33:43AveGalois: hold on, its not language issue, rather than that I can express ALL my langauges in latin1
10:33:47Mikachubancus: cjk in utf8 is 33% larger
10:33:51Avenot english native
10:33:54Galoisagain, it doesn't matter
10:33:55RedBrevaMikachu: Thanks, will try it
10:34:03Galoisthere are other languages that you don't know and will have to deal with
10:34:08bancusMikachu: supposedly CJK in Unicode collapsed some glyphs thath they shouldn't have
10:34:18Aveyes I see exactly what you mean, and I dont wanna appear as utf8 opposer, its great for all..
10:34:30bancusa lot of them still use BIG5
10:34:32Aveof course it makes perfect sense to use utf8 for project like rb
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10:35:22Aveand my so called problem is probably avoidable with mount options, so no harm done
10:35:56MikachuAve: you can always use convmv if you have to
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10:36:23Avethanks for the suggestions, I need to see thru all this, fairly new territory
10:36:41GaloisI always use mount -o utf8, and it Just Works (tm)
10:36:50Mikachui had to use convmv for some files i got from a macosx friend
10:36:50Galoiswell, almost works. FAT32 limitations still abound
10:36:57Mikachuthey use NFD but rockbox and linux use NFC
10:37:09Galoislike, you can't have / or : in filenames, so I just replace those with similar-looking unicode glyphs :P
10:37:11*Mikachu wonders if anyone knows what he's talking about
10:37:11amiconnA propos utf8 - text_editor.rock doesn't work properly with non-ascii chars :(
10:37:27Mikachuamiconn: i found that it works with utf8 but the normal text viewer recently doesn't
10:37:37Galoisyea the text _viewer_ doesn't work with non-ascii
10:37:44Mikachuit used to though
10:37:47Mikachubut now it just shows crap
10:37:55amiconnMikachu: The text viewer uses your default codepage setting. text_editor does not.
10:38:11Mikachuwell, i've got that set to utf8 unless it changed back on me
10:38:18Mikachuwhich it very well might have...
10:39:56amiconnWell I've set my codepage to latin1, and the viewer shows everything like it should.
10:40:37GaloisI set the default codepage to utf8 and still the viewer only partially works
10:40:53Galoismany glyphs show ? in the text viewer (the same characters display fine in the file browser and WPS)
10:41:08Mikachuthe text viewer doesn't line break multibyte correctly
10:41:17Mikachuthere is apatch for that on the tracker
10:41:47webguest50hi all, are there smart playlists yet?
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10:42:50ashridahwebguest50: not yet. we haven't got a working runtime stats unit working, and it's not likely to be added in now, since we're in feature freeze pending release.
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10:43:40JdGordongday all
10:44:02*amiconn wonders what smart playlist should be
10:44:10amiconn*playlists
10:44:33ashridahamiconn: adding your favourite songs, typically.
10:44:43ashridahor adding them based on your current genre, etc
10:45:10Mikachuwebguest50: i believe the databox plugin sort of might do what you want
10:45:28Mikachuit lets you create a search and save to a file
10:45:41Mikachuthen you can just select that file to perform the search and create a playlist
10:46:06webguest50oh ok, I saw something about them here http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223
10:47:36webguest50in the comments section
10:47:48webguest50i'll check out the databox, thank you
10:48:23HCldatabox
10:48:25HClwho what where
10:48:27HCli wrote that :)
10:48:57HClthe databox plugin does do that but i believe it's been obsoleted
10:49:04HClwith the tagcache
10:49:09webguest50oh, and if any of the developers are here, thanks so much, i used this on my archos and I'm so glad I can replace apple's software
10:50:09webguest50well I have tagcache on, and I don't know how to take advantage of it...
10:50:10ashridahhaha. gotta love osnews.com for flamebait posts. "why windows is less secure than linux"
10:50:30ashridahlinks to two images, with iis's being a horrible mess, and apache's being nice and straight, but otherwise confirming nothing
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10:54:44webguest50how is tagcache useful in the latest version?
10:55:03midkaywebguest50, what do you mean, how is it useful? if you find it useful, feel free to use it.
10:55:24webguest50if there a away to browse albums, or artists?
10:55:30ashridahwebguest50: it builds a tag database on the fly, so it can display by artist, album, etc.
10:55:36midkayyes, that's... the entire premise of tagcache.
10:55:46ashridahyou just need to wait until it's been generated, and then change the file view to Id3 mode
10:55:56midkaywhether you find that useful or not is user-specific.
10:56:47webguest50aha! I have to change the file view! I thought an additional view would appear somewhere
10:57:53ashridahwebguest50: hold down the menu button to get a quick-screen to change it
10:58:13ashridah(assuming that's how the quickscreen shows up on your platform, mind you)
10:58:41VoltageXashridah: (lagging behind here)... but IIS is a mess!
10:59:07ashridahVoltageX: sure, but you could just as easily make apache+linux look like a mess by rearranging the picture
10:59:14ashridahgraph drawing is *highly* subjective
10:59:18webguest50thank you ashridah and midkay
10:59:31midkayno problem..
10:59:42VoltageXashridah: chmod -R 777 as root :)
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11:00:06ashridahwhat?
11:00:19VoltageXashridah: to mess up linux
11:00:26lostlogicamiconn: I'm not able to reproduce that bug, do you have the large-ish commit that I made last night in when you create it? That should be impossible after that patch.
11:00:47ashridahVoltageX: that's only going to break anything that's got the sticky bit set, it won't actually break much else.
11:00:48amiconnYes I have
11:01:01ashridah(ie, /tmp might be less functional than it was previously)
11:01:08ashridahit's certainly insecure, but that's much of a muchness
11:01:14lostlogicamiconn: weird.
11:01:17VoltageXlol
11:01:21Mikachuashridah: it will break anything that checks for sane permissions
11:01:23Mikachuashridah: like ssh
11:01:30VoltageXashridah: rm -rf / will help then :D
11:01:39ashridahMikachu: that's hardly 'breaking linux'
11:02:40amiconnlostlogic: It's fairly easy reproducable here (although getting more than one track difference isn't that easy to reproduce)
11:03:34amiconnIf you're somewhere in a track, just skip back to the beginning, wait until it starts playing, then immediately skip back again.
11:03:44VoltageXnow that I've mastered hello world on rockbox, what should I try?
11:04:06VoltageX;)
11:04:14amiconnIt shortly pauses, then continues playing the current track, but wps shows the previous track
11:05:25lostlogicamiconn: :( I can't get it
11:05:34lostlogicwait, just did.
11:05:35VoltageXamiconn: doing that on cvs a couple of weeks ago froze rockbox
11:05:35lostlogicok
11:06:14amiconnlostlogic: This difference then even stays if you again skip back to the beginning of the track
11:06:36lostlogicyeah, it'll stay until there's a 'successful' track change.
11:06:39amiconnIf you're skipping back or forth more than one track, it will eventually sync up again
11:08:28amiconnUgh! Hard freeze...
11:08:51lostlogicUgh! indeed, how to cause?
11:08:59lostlogicback skipping letting audio just start?
11:09:11amiconnThis was just while playing a track (with the wps offset by -1)
11:09:28amiconnIt seems it tried to buffer the next track since the current one was about to end
11:09:47lostlogicamiconn: yeah, that would make sense, if it thinks its playing a song its not.
11:10:54amiconnLet's see whether it's reproducable...
11:10:58webguest50is there a way to still play with rockbox while the ipod is plugged in via usb?
11:11:14lostlogicwebguest50: you have have it charging, but you cannot access it with your computer
11:11:23lostlogicwebguest50: hold menu while inseting USB
11:12:01lostlogicwebguest50: note, this charge mode is not right currently, and will take a very long time to charge, and if you have backlight always on, it will actually just slow battery drain, because we don't properly initialize USB charge mode.
11:12:24webguest50so it can't be mounted as a hard drive while in the GUI?
11:12:29lostlogicno.
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11:12:54lostlogicwe still use Apple's disk mode, plus, the host PC must own the hard disk during tha ttime, so there's no point in it really.
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11:13:08lostlogic(that is even on targets where we use our own disk mode there's still no point)
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11:14:43webguest50oh, thanks. I'm noticed my transfer times seem to be slower in rockbox, if that a known issue too?
11:14:46amiconnHmm, now I don't manage to trigger the offset thing... :puzzled:
11:16:04lostlogicamiconn: its definitely there, I've gotten it to happen twice now... I'd actually been afraid I had some unsafe button sequences with rapid seek->skip or seek->stop presses.
11:16:47amiconnYeah I know it's there. I was able to trigger it multiple times, and even managed to get an offset >1 once
11:17:07amiconnJust now I don't seem able to trigger it...
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11:17:54lostlogicweird :)
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11:20:26lostlogichmph, I didn't realize I had outstanding changes when I went to sleep...
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11:24:45lostlogicamiconn: does it matter what track type you do the initial seek and the subsequent wrongness occurs in?
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11:29:26amiconntrack type? Do you mean the format?
11:29:58amiconnI experienced it with mp3 (which is the format of 99% of my tracks)
11:31:00crashdwhat's the official stance on getting itunes drm'ed music playing on rockbox?
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11:31:14crashdi personally dont mind either way, i havent bought any music from itunes, but i was just wondering
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11:32:28amiconnI don't think that will be possible
11:33:57Galoisit might even get rockbox sued, like DVD Jon
11:34:17crashdall those cases that keep getting thrown out ? ;)
11:34:24crashdim merely speaking theoretically
11:34:57Galoiswell with rockbox some of the devs are in the US, which is way harsher towards this kind of thing
11:35:05HCl*nods*
11:35:07HClwell
11:35:10amiconnlostlogic: Now I got an even more strange effect. I managed to trigger the wps offset. Then I left the track playing (real track 4, displayed track 3). After ~1 minute, it switched to playing the end of track 11, and then continued with track 12, all while still displaying track 3 (!!!)
11:35:19HClthe dmca allows getting around copyprotection for portability uses
11:35:25crashdGalois: yeah, but they can only sue individuals
11:35:29crashdand if it isnt an official patch
11:35:43lostlogicamiconn: filebufused got corrupted, and the buffer filled in circles, causing mass stupidity.
11:35:51Galoisthe letter of the dmca allows it, but the courts have ruled the other way anyway
11:35:58HClmhm..
11:36:02Galoisthe interoperability clause of the DMCA is a big joke
11:36:06HCldmca is evil.
11:36:31crashdthe dmca is a joke
11:36:37crashdyou guys are getting screwed
11:36:47linuxstbcrashd: Apart from the possible legal problems, I think a lot of people take the view that DRM is evil and we shouldn't encourage users to use it by implementing it in Rockbox.
11:36:52lostlogicamiconn: the filebufused variable wants to die, but I haven't come up with a good scheme for killing it quite yet.
11:37:00Galoistheir interpretation seems to be (as far as I can tell): by making rockbox (or DeCSS, or whatever) free software, you give the user extra rights that they didn't have before under the closed system
11:37:03crashdlinuxstb: i take the same view, i was just musing really
11:37:11Galoistherefore you are not protected by the interoperability excuse
11:37:40lostlogicdoing tracks as a linked list and tracking the file buf's status based on where tracks adn their codecs start might be a solution to it.
11:37:42HCllinuxstb: nice one, i second that.
11:38:30lostlogicamiconn: I will try to reproduce that bug with logf.
11:40:16*amiconn now has an i2c driver for the PCF that adapts the delay to the cpu clock
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11:41:21amiconnStill not the gain I would expect to see, but it brings down cpu power consumption at 11MHz from 50% to 20% (polling main + remote buttons)
11:41:44lostlogicamiconn: quiet a step in the right direction, I bet it helps H3x0 battery consumption
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11:50:57amiconnHmm, interesting. The PCF i2c pins in the H300 are shared with the serial eeprom i2c (which we don't use yet), and they are the same pins as for the seriall eeprom in the H1x0
11:51:23lostlogicamiconn: your bug will only happen when the skip back would be on buffer, and it would wrap around the buffer, I think.
11:52:08amiconnSo it should be possible to read the serial eeprom on H300 with no extra driver. Just a different device address...
11:52:22*amiconn is curious what's in there.
11:53:02t0massome settings I guess?
11:53:10t0masfrom the iriver fw?
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11:53:24amiconnlostlogic: Could the buffer wrap immediately after starting a track from stop state?
11:53:31amiconnt0mas: I guess so.
11:53:53t0masmaybe some free space
11:53:57lostlogicamiconn: blah, no I was wrong. I misread my log. Will be back with another wrong theory in a bit :-P
11:54:13t0masthat would allow us to dump the rockbox configuration sector there
11:54:18t0mas(how big is that atm?)
11:54:21amiconnlostlogic: Must be quite early morning at your place..
11:54:33lostlogicyeah, I woke up at 4am for some reason.
11:55:04amiconnt0mas: The config sector is (as its name implies) a full disk sector, i.e. 512 bytes == 4096 bit
11:55:07scorche it is 4am here, and i have yet to go to sleep >_>
11:55:11amiconnWe use half of it afaik
11:55:32t0masamiconn: and how big is the iriver H1xx/H3xx eeprom?
11:55:37amiconnBut rockbox has 2 settings parts, the first of which is rather small, and could be stored in the eeprom.
11:56:05amiconnThis 2-part split is because the archos recorders have a 44-byte RAM in the RTC
11:56:23t0masah ok
11:56:32t0masresume position might be handy to store in eeprom?
11:56:36Avehm hey, so I copied files with -o utf8, file browser shows things incorrectly ( missing) but playback screen shows em ok, default codepage is set to utf8, hm?
11:56:42t0masas that would make it possible to shutdown without spinning up the disk
11:57:46lostlogicthis bug is nealy unsolveable without linked lists of tracks, or heinous hacks.
11:57:54lostlogiclooks like i'm writing linked lists of tracks today.
11:58:35VoltageXwhat is another basic thing i can try in a rockbox plugin?
11:59:03scorcheVoltageX: heh...isnt this the 3rd time you have asked?
11:59:15VoltageXscorche: yes, and people ignored the noob
11:59:43*scorche gently pats VoltageX
11:59:51*VoltageX purrs
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12:00:08*scorche swells
12:00:38lostlogichah! both tracks end up having the same buffer position, due to having been buffered at the same place, and currently we free all tracks on a rebuffer, so have no detection of tracks that have _really_ been debuffered... rofl lol *kicks playback*
12:00:53VoltageXscorche: apart from your swelling, do you have any ideas for me?
12:01:05lostlogicVoltageX: I wrote the dice plugin to learn to write plugins, try dice, or tick-tack-toe or something
12:01:30VoltageXdice sounds good
12:01:39lostlogicbut that one's been done :-P
12:01:47scorcheyahtzee!
12:02:00VoltageXlostlogic: you think of something then!
12:02:08VoltageXscorche: I'm not that good at c++
12:02:13lostlogicVoltageX: this is C.
12:02:21scorcheheh...beat me to it
12:02:24lostlogicdon't speak the name of that evil language around here :)
12:02:31_FireFly_c++ ;)
12:02:35lostlogicahh, 5am logic.
12:02:36VoltageXlostlogic: oops
12:02:38amiconnc−−;
12:02:45lostlogicamiconn: thanks
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12:03:03VoltageXyeah, I'm not too good at that either
12:03:16scorchec++ has lured me a bit with its STLness though
12:03:36_FireFly_scorche: nobody treats you to use STL ;)
12:03:43lostlogicthe STL is a waste of brain power, IMO, but then I always prefer to write my own data structures so I know their guts.
12:04:11AveI guess if I'll ever write a plugin I'll make a BMI calculator, simple enough..
12:04:34Aveand optimum aerobic heart rate etc
12:05:22VoltageXAve: bmi calc I could do
12:05:49VoltageXAve: but there's already a good calculator
12:06:00Aveyeah as plain calculator
12:06:17scorcheimplementing pthreads correctly is one thing i have found to be a good exercise....but then again, i am still learning
12:06:23VoltageXbmi = height / weight^2 right?
12:06:35Avehm annoying thing, if I uave usb connected and its charging (via menu-trick) and then I power down the ipod, and later power on, the damn thing goes to disk mode
12:06:45Avecant the disk mode be avoided if you have usb plugged?
12:07:26Aveif I press menu, it loads apple instead, and if I wait until rb loads, it fails to see me pressing menu..
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12:08:35AveVoltageX: no its bmi = [kg] / [m]
12:10:07VoltageXok
12:11:26GaloisAve: I always just unplugged the ipod before turning it on again
12:18:04Aveyes thats the thing, BUT, it it breaks a charging cycle, will it harm the battery life?
12:18:24Aveas is known, li+ batteries dont have the ni* memory effect but rather, limited set of charge cycles
12:18:33Galoiseven the regular firmware has this problem, you can't sync up with the computer without a spurious charging cycle
12:18:56Avethat makes panda sad
12:19:13Aveeven so, would it be possible to add 'menu' trick to rockbox start as well
12:19:25Avejust like the event handler when its running and you plug in
12:19:36GaloisI've never bothered to worry about it. The charging cycle degredation is not as severe as you fear, if you care for the battery properly in other respects
12:19:57Aveok fair enough
12:20:21Galoisin my experience temperature kills more li-ion batteries than charging
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12:20:38Galoisdon't leave it in the car on a hot day, etc.
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12:21:04AveI'm also wondering about moisture (electronics damage), if you keep the player near your skin etc, sometimes cellphone can be awfully wet when it sin pocket
12:21:36AveI guess that'd be sweat rather than condensed water
12:21:40Galoisnot sure. The front and back are somewhat water resistant
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12:23:21Avehow do you know when the charging is done (in rb)?
12:23:31Aveapple sw changes the battery icon to reflect this
12:23:55Galoisyou don't get an animated charging icon do you?
12:24:13Avenot unless its in disk mode
12:24:48linuxstbAve: Rockbox probably doesn't detect the charging status properly yet for the ipods - not much work has been done in that area so far.
12:24:52Aveif its charging and I'm playing a song the only thing I see is given wps bat indicator or status bar graph/text
12:25:06Galoiswell, it used to be possible to add #define HAVE_CHARGE_STATE in config-ipodnano.h and get charge status display
12:25:38Galoisyou need #define HAVE_CHARGING 1 and #define HAVE_CHARGE_STATE 1
12:25:42linuxstbThat's possibly just detecting the presence of a charger, rather than actual charging.
12:25:52Galoisno, I tested it before
12:25:58linuxstbOn which ipod?
12:26:02Galoisnano 4GB
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12:26:04Avewhere does the indication happen actually?
12:26:11AveI can experiment with it sure
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12:26:13Galoisit does the following, when the charger is connected, it displays a left-to-right filling up battery icon
12:26:25Galoisand when the battery is charged, it displays a back-and-forth trickle charge animation
12:26:34Galoisbasically, you know, it does what it should
12:26:41Aveah
12:26:54Avehm well that warrants a compilation right there
12:27:32GaloisI'm not sure if the current CVS code still works with those two defines
12:27:44Galoisit was working, like, a month ago
12:27:46Avefails to compile or fails to run?
12:28:00Galoisoh it runs fine, it just doesn't animate the icon anymore
12:28:10GaloisI think. Again, I'm not sure. I haven't tried recently.
12:28:16AveI'll do it
12:28:41Aveso, in order to upgrade all you have to do is replace rockbox.ipod and reset?
12:28:52Galoisboth rockbox.ipod and .rockbox/
12:29:05Avesounds like I'll lose settings
12:29:07Galoisif you type make zip, it builds a rockbox.zip file that you can just unzip in the ipod root
12:29:26Galoisyou don't lose settings, not _usually_ (sometimes you do if the CVS code changes the right magic things)
12:29:32Galoisand you can save settings!
12:29:39Aveah right, gotcha
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12:35:01infamiscrap wrong window
12:35:37loweschWhat area should i troubleshoot if rockbox fails to loads it's OS ? I have an iPod Nano. (It gives med the error: -2; Loading apple firmware)
12:36:08loweschI followed the ipod linux installation guide,
12:36:21Galoisdammit, I wrote most of that installation guide
12:36:50Galoisyou probably did the same mistake that Tim Lord (the slashdot article writer) did: mixed up one of the filenames for another
12:37:02linuxstblowesch: Did you download the correct version of Rockbox? i.e. the Nano version, not another ipod version?
12:37:02GaloisAve: I just tested it against the CVS code, the left-to-right charging animation works
12:37:09loweschlinuxstb: yes i did
12:37:25loweschlinuxstb: but it said, building for 4g, ipod mini...
12:37:29linuxstb"-2" means the checksum doesn't match - which either means the rockbox.ipod file is corrupt, or is the wrong version.
12:37:33Aveyes I have a pulsating battery icon
12:37:41Avehowever, my backlight seems to have died.. weird
12:37:43loweschlinuxstb: ok
12:37:45GaloisI don't intend to charge it up to capacity, but I would expect the trickle charge animation to work too (only on the default WPS though, the other ones are inferior in this respect)
12:37:50Galoisoh yeah you can fix that
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12:38:15Galoisgo to general settings, display, lcd settings, backlight while plugged in
12:38:29loweschis the CVS from 0414 ok ?
12:38:42loweschor should i take a older one.
12:38:44GaloisAve: I also had problems with Line Selector, so you might fix that too
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12:39:00myth1hi everyone
12:39:02Aveyeah the line selector was reset to hm the not inverted one
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12:39:15Galoisit looks like a one-time glitch
12:39:18midkaycrap, it's Moos!
12:39:21*midkay runs to code
12:39:31Mooshaha : D
12:39:34MoosHello !
12:39:41midkaymorning :)
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12:39:52midkaydon't check recent cvs commits until i say you can, k? :)
12:40:06loweschI will try to to it all again and get back to you =)
12:40:08myth1I need some help for 1st time install rockbox to the h320. I have downloaded the h300.hex, patched it and flashed it. I put all contents of the rockbox.zip into the root of the h320, but when I start, it just boots into the iriver firmware. did I miss something?
12:40:30linuxstblowesch: Firstly, just try downloading a new "rockbox.zip" from the website and unzip that to your ipod.
12:40:41Moosmidkay; hehe, k ; )
12:40:53AveGalois: ah great stuff, thanks
12:41:09linuxstblowesch: I would be surprised if the bootloader installation is wrong - if it's displaying that message, it should mean it's working.
12:41:09AveI was running cvs as of this morning tho, before this config change
12:42:07loweschlinuxstb: I remember, I think i screw it up yesterday (or this morning) gotta go restore it on my windows machine, then try again. I have no doubt that it will work then.
12:42:08Avebtw while using the ipod_fw tool the last phase can be misunderstood, even if I use -g nano the output doesnt mention nano at all!
12:42:17Avecreating <everything else> compatible ...
12:43:21loweschbut, one more question: is it "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 (zero or O) bootpartition.bin" here i se that it is 0 or ?
12:43:32Galoiszero
12:43:58loweschok thank you.
12:45:40loweschAnd ofcourse, thank you for one wonderful and interesting piece of software =)
12:46:15midkaylinuxstb, do you know anything about the battery in various iPod models?
12:46:23midkayi can't find any mAh values anywhere.
12:46:34midkayi semi-remember hearing something around 450mAh..
12:47:21AveGalois: the debug battery info shows "battery: charged", however the status bar bat symbol is.. I must have misinterpreted it
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12:47:30Galoismidkay http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html has everything except nano and 5g
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12:47:34Avethe trickle symbol is few pixels wide alternating white/grey?
12:47:58Galoisthe trickle symbol has two alternating images
12:48:08Galoisthe charging symbol goes through at least three images in a cycle
12:48:14linuxstbmidkay: There's an ipod battery faq site on the web - ask Google. I think that has the mAh values for the different ipods.
12:48:21Avecheck that.
12:48:22amiconn@ devs: would this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5052 considered an additional feature? I think it is, but then it would be nice to have in 3.0...
12:49:40linuxstbI'm relaxed about adding new features to plugins. I think it's only the core we need to be strict about.
12:49:56midkayGalois, thank you, very helpful :)
12:50:08midkaydoes anyone have any info as to the nano and 5G? that'd be good to have..
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13:05:09lostlogicwell I might have found a good reason that voice sucks.
13:05:26peturgoodmorning lostlogic
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13:05:42lostlogicmornin'
13:06:25crashdhey lostlogic
13:06:39peturWPS indication is still wrong when fast skipping, but it's a bit better
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13:07:58lostlogicpetur: don't worry, I promise it won't be working for a fair portion of today. I'm about to restructure the filebuf and turn tracks into linked lists instead of a fixed array, and lord knows that never breaks things.
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13:08:23peturhave fun ;)
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13:15:29VoltageXlostlogic: you still around?
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13:16:08pussfellercvs is hanging on bootup for me
13:16:33lostlogicVoltageX: for the moment, probably going for a nap soon.
13:16:42linuxstbpussfeller: Try resetting your settings. Which player do you have?
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13:16:47pussfelleripod
13:16:51pussfellercolor photo
13:16:51VoltageXlostlogic: do you know anything about libdumb?
13:17:02crashdVoltageX: it needs work ;)
13:17:15linuxstbpussfeller: Immediately after you turn on your ipod, turn the hold switch on.
13:17:24lostlogicVoltageX: nope, sorry
13:17:29VoltageXcrashd: does it run in any form on rockbox?
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13:17:39VoltageXlostlogic: ok
13:17:40crashdwell, it's in cvs, but it doesnt do anything, afaik
13:18:18VoltageXcrashd: unfortunately I don't know enough to make it work myself, and I really want tracker music
13:18:21pussfelleryup linuxstb that did it
13:18:38crashdVoltageX: yeah, don't we all, i imagine at some point it'll be integrated as a codec, but right now it does nothing
13:18:49VoltageXcrashd: and it's not looking good, because the cvs is 4-12 months old in that directory
13:19:16crashdVoltageX: well, that just means no one has touched it, it doesnt mean there's anything wrong with the libdumb build in there.
13:19:30crashdi assume whatever changes were made to make it integer only can easily be done against a newer source
13:19:36crashdbut, as ive said, there's no integration
13:20:00VoltageXcrashd: do you know how to put it into the makefile so it gets built?
13:20:25ep0chlinuxstb: hi, i'd like to try SID out on my ipod, is there a patch around i can use?
13:20:32moochto backup the ipod, a "dd if=/dev/sde of=backup.ipod" should be sufficient, right?
13:20:56linuxstbep0ch: It should be on the patch tracker soon.
13:21:17ep0chah cool
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13:21:50linuxstbmooch: Yes - but probably overkill. You really just need to backup the boot partition (/dev/sde1), and maybe the MBR (the first sector).
13:22:12midkayep0ch / linuxstb - SID?
13:22:26linuxstbYes, the author of "tinysid" has ported it to Rockbox.
13:22:30crashdSID, the c64 sound chip
13:22:54VoltageXlinuxstb: ooh, first step for tracker music
13:23:02midkayah, interesting..
13:23:05moochlinuxstb: i want to backup my music too... dont want to have to transfer everything again...
13:23:33linuxstbmooch: If I was you, I would just backup your music by copying the contents of the FAT32 partition. But it's up to you.
13:23:53moochlinuxstb: the problem is that i need to "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/ipod" because the file system claims to be locked and is mounted read-only under linux
13:24:02moochlinuxstb: no fat32 here, but hfs+
13:24:30linuxstbHave you tried rebooting your Linux PC?
13:24:40moochlinuxstb: copying the content will not work if once i clean the hard disk it still claims it can only be mounted read-only
13:24:47moochlinuxstb: me?
13:24:51linuxstbYes.
13:24:56moochyup
13:25:00moochseveral times
13:25:13linuxstbBut if you just backup using "dd", then when you restore it, you will get an identical ipod.
13:25:15moochi have tried mounting the ipod in several machines...
13:25:16lostlogicare there any codecs that do _not_ use the malloc buffer?
13:25:43moochlinuxstb: the problem is that once i clean it, i might have the problem that i cannot write to the disk under linux
13:26:10moochlinuxstb: so in that case, yes, I would like to restore it to the original state
13:26:40linuxstbHave you successfully written to the ipod in the past? IIUC, HFS+ write support is a relatively new Linux feature.
13:27:02moochlinuxstb: if once i rewrite the disk with /dev/null and then i can write, i can clean up the backup... i have all the music i need to put back
13:27:30moochlinuxstb: sure, but i unplugged once the ipod without unmounting it (i was in a rush) and after that it can only be written under macosx
13:27:49moochwell, must go to the radio program now...
13:27:51moochbbl
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13:30:50linuxstbSID codec now on the patch tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5130
13:31:11ep0chwahoooo
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13:32:43crashdeurgh, why does cygwin lock directories so i cant delete them within either cygwin or windows
13:32:46crashdreal pain in the ass
13:33:03VoltageXwill I break my player if I force the fm frequency on rockbox waaay too low?
13:33:06amiconnMost often this is caused by explorer
13:33:08Galoiswhat you're looking at is windows suckage, not cygwin per se
13:33:16amiconn(@ crashd)
13:33:21crashdhehe, see, that's what i thought
13:33:36crashdhowever, it's fudged the perms so badly, even after a reinstall of windwows 12 months down the line, i cant delete an old cygwin install directory
13:33:46amiconncrashd: There's a workaround that avoids restarting windows:
13:33:47crashdand ive tried all sorts of ntfs permissions stuff to make it deletable
13:33:53crashdnonon, re INSTALLING
13:34:00crashdi had to for various reasons a few weeks back
13:34:00amiconnHuh?
13:34:25*amiconn never reinstalled windows on his laptop
13:34:52amiconnThis is still the original installation from Sony, >2.5 years back...
13:34:59crashdyou're a lucky man
13:35:21*amiconn is playing around with tagcache on his archos recorder
13:35:38VoltageXok, I feel like a real noob now, how do I apply patches to rockbox?
13:36:08linuxstbPatches are changes to the source code. So you need to set up a compiling environment to use them.
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13:37:19VoltageXlinuxstb: I have cygwin + m68k-elf-gcc
13:37:39crashdVoltageX: do you have patch/diff utils from cygwin also?
13:38:11VoltageXcrashd: yes
13:38:26crashdVoltageX: okay, well you just download the source tree, grab the .diff file from the patch tracker
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13:38:38crashdgo into the rockbox-bleedingedge directory and do 'patch -p0 < sid_v1.diff'
13:38:40crashdor whatever
13:38:59VoltageXcan I do multiple patches at once?
13:39:08crashdcheck the wiki, there's a page for 'dealing with patches' and 'compiling'
13:39:21crashdno, you'd have to do them seperately if you're just using 'patch'
13:39:30VoltageXok
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13:39:47crashdlinuxstb: is this diff'ed from the latest source tree?
13:40:09VoltageXhmm a bash script using something like "for *.diff in dir do" would work
13:40:19VoltageXor a python script :D
13:40:40pussfellerim getting a ton of lockups from the cvs
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13:42:59amiconnSlasheri: Tagcache works pretty well on archos.
13:43:09amiconnThere's a bit of delay when browsing around, during which the search happens, but it's bearable (around a second).
13:43:14midkayanyone know the H300's battery capacity?
13:43:22amiconnIirc this was also the case with the old tagdb
13:43:34VoltageXmidkay: ads/manual says 16hrs
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13:43:41VoltageXmidkay: I get 8 :(
13:43:52amiconn(but currently I can only see a fraction of my tracks, you know why ;) )
13:43:59midkayVoltageX, haha. that's very sad and touching, but i'd like the capacity in mAh :)
13:44:14VoltageXoh
13:44:21*VoltageX looks at back of iriver
13:44:26amiconnmidkay: Someone said 1400mAh
13:44:40midkayhmm.
13:44:47amiconnA bit more than H1x0
13:45:01VoltageXdoh it doesn't say
13:45:06linuxstbcrashd: If you're talking about the SID patch, then I made the diff a couple of hours ago. It should apply cleanly.
13:45:27crashdwell, the source tree ive got is from yesterday when i was toying with myth1's source build
13:45:41amiconnmidkay: There's only one way to make sure: open a H300 and check
13:45:43linuxstblostlogic made a change to the codec api - you need the latest CVS.
13:45:44crashdand it applies fine, but doesnt build, but i think that the source tree is a bit of a state
13:45:49crashdit'll have to wait
13:45:52midkayamiconn, you have an H300, right? >:)
13:45:55amiconnyes
13:46:00ep0chyeah sid patch works well
13:46:10amiconnI probably will check this
13:46:21ep0chi'm listening to 2nd reality as we speak :)
13:46:27crashd2nd reality!!! :o
13:46:31midkayhmm.. i'll leave the range 1300-3200 for now i guess..
13:46:31crashdthe win
13:46:34VoltageX#!@$!! just got shocked by a usb cable
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13:52:19marevalohi all
13:52:35ashridahVoltageX: yeah, it's funny how that works, ground loops and all that.
13:52:40midkayhey, marevalo - was hoping to catch you on irc :)
13:52:43ashridahwhat've you got your feet resting on? :)
13:52:59marevalomidkey: hi, I'm not quite an IRC guy at all ;-)
13:53:27marevalomidkay: I'm more pro-XMPP :-D
13:53:33*amiconn guesses marevalo popped in b/c of amiconn's latest commit
13:53:46midkayi created the necessary bitmaps for the vkeyboard for 320x240 LCDs a while ago, but then i realized possibly the plugin isn't your work :)
13:53:49marevaloamiconn: no problem for me
13:54:01VoltageXmidkay: at the time, nothing, my feet were 10cm off the ground
13:54:27marevaloamiconn: just wondering what was the freeze policy about plugins
13:54:35VoltageXmidkay: musta been touching a metal part of my wheelchair o.O
13:54:43midkayVoltageX, you mean ashridah :)
13:54:57Slasheriamiconn: nice, and now even chunked browsing seems to work quite seamlessly :)
13:55:01VoltageXuhh yea
13:55:15VoltageXI may have to go in search of coffee.
13:55:16myth1bye everyone
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13:56:04midkaymarevalo, were you involved in creating rockcalendar, or did you just write the wiki page, or what?
13:56:18FutureCrashhi all :)
13:56:18midkayor maybe you just updated it :)
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13:56:42marevalomidkay: nop, I just fixed the tracker link that was wrong
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13:57:02midkayoops, haha, sorry :)
13:57:05amiconnmarevalo: I noticed only one temporary problem with the opening book addition: If you have a saved state from old chessbox, new chessbox with opening book gets confused
13:57:06midkayi hadn't seen it before..
13:57:23marevaloamiconn: yep there are a couple of bugs there
13:57:33amiconnIt doesn't crash, but displays wrong pieces, and some gfx trash. A simple reset fixes this
13:57:40FutureCrashI read that rockbox doesn't work on ipod g3 - are there any plans to get it working?
13:57:45*lostlogic looks around innocently I'd never change the API suddenly...
13:58:29marevaloamiconn: yep, I was thinking about adding some versioning to the save file, but don't really know as this is only useful for developer, what do you think?
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14:00:09marevaloso what is the freeze policy about plugins? I was going to start mark2 on chessbox (menus and a whole lot batch of new options)
14:00:22amiconnWell, it would protect users from ugly experiences like this.
14:00:43arse_is todays daily build faulty, on nano i get no file, codec failure and illeagal instruction errors?
14:00:49amiconnThe freeze policy for plugins is less strict than for the core
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14:01:39marevalook, and how about the Plugin Usability Guide, what do you think guys about it?
14:02:11VoltageXyay PUG
14:02:16midkayarse_, probably.. i think april 3 is the last "should-be-working" build since lostlogic started revamping the playback code... expect new bugs and fixes daily for a little while or just stick with that build, i think :)
14:02:57midkaymarevalo, that looked good, i went through it as you noticed, but haven't checked it since your "last update".. which i'll probably do tomorrow :)
14:02:57FutureCrashhmm... so, noone tried rockbox on ipod g3 already?
14:03:09midkayFutureCrash, um, it either doesn't work or barely..
14:03:14arse_midkay: ok, i'll try that, thanks
14:03:27midkayarse_, np
14:03:41marevaloamiconn: maybe theli is not that happy with your CB commit: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5054
14:03:42FutureCrashmidkay I read that... I thought of trying it out and perhaps trying to get it working
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14:04:23marevaloamiconn: we ended with 3 diferent pieces for the Mini ;-)
14:04:29midkayFutureCrash, none of the dev team who are generally responsible for getting things like that working have an iPod 3G, but if you think you might be able to help, feel free to try :)
14:05:12marevalomidkay, ok, the real point is if the developers are ok with it, as many plugins would be "broken" with that guide in mind
14:05:15FutureCrashmidkay I've not much experience in coding such things, but I think it would be an interesting thing to work on that :)
14:05:44midkaymarevalo, well, depends on if you see it as a guide or actual rules :)
14:06:36amiconnmarevalo: Ooops, overlooked this one...
14:06:48midkayit's quite a nice guide, but i don't think you have to be too strict on it or anything..
14:06:48amiconnI swear I checked the tracker before...
14:06:50marevalomidkay: yep, the experience of having usability guides on projects like GNOME has been quite positive
14:07:15midkayFutureCrash, any progress is good progress, or something... whatever.. yes, help is very welcome. yeah. there. :)
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14:07:40marevalomidkay: and the status of the plugin-pool gives an image of been to disparate
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