00:00:00 | lostlogic | midgey34: yes, chicago |
00:00:02 | * | amiconn went by bike today |
00:00:06 | klrspz | do the ipods have a hard reset? |
00:00:09 | midgey34 | but yes, we all drive too much |
00:00:10 | preglow | i like biking anyway |
00:00:13 | preglow | as long as it doesn't rain |
00:00:15 | klrspz | like it'll wipe otu the disk and start from scratch? |
00:00:17 | crashd | klrspz: menu+select, hold it down |
00:00:24 | crashd | klrspz: oh, use the apple updater |
00:00:24 | klrspz | that's a soft reset |
00:00:28 | amiconn | 14 km each way |
00:00:29 | crashd | no, it's a hardware reset |
00:00:31 | klrspz | ok, that's what i was thinking |
00:00:33 | preglow | lostlogic: small wonder with gas prices like that |
00:00:36 | crashd | as opposed to a software reset |
00:00:44 | crashd | but yeah, apple updater will restore it to factory defaults |
00:00:50 | preglow | lostlogic: norwegians are bad as hell too, and that's even with the kite-high gas prices |
00:01:04 | Hotfusion | funny how this president of an oil comapny is getting paid 400 million in retirment pay, make billions of dollars a year (oil company) and yet charge high gas prices |
00:01:04 | klrspz | i don't ever plan on using the retail os anymore, was wondering if it was safe to delete everything |
00:01:08 | Hotfusion | the american way right? |
00:01:10 | Hotfusion | lol |
00:01:15 | Mikachu | klrspz: yes |
00:01:17 | preglow | klrspz: it is |
00:01:53 | klrspz | cool |
00:01:55 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK XavierGr |
00:01:55 | XavierGr | [00:56] ,03amiconn,99: gas prices are in the EUR 1.30 / litre range in germany atm...,99 <- that's too expensive. It is 1.00 euro / litre in Greece. |
00:02:07 | XavierGr | oops sorry for the colour |
00:03:00 | preglow | like i said |
00:03:04 | preglow | it's 2$ a litre here now |
00:03:08 | preglow | people are whining like pigs |
00:03:31 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
00:03:31 | * | preglow pats peak oil |
00:03:35 | amiconn | XavierGr: Actually more like EUR 1.40/liter for me. My car needs roz 98 |
00:04:04 | Moos | much depending about State taxes |
00:04:04 | XavierGr | and I thought gas prices were bad in Greece! |
00:04:13 | Hotfusion | everybody but preglow likes to play low gas prices |
00:04:14 | preglow | XavierGr: they're not! |
00:04:17 | Hotfusion | pay* |
00:04:17 | XavierGr | Does your state has a crazy tax for gas? |
00:04:19 | Hotfusion | heh |
00:04:24 | preglow | hahaha |
00:04:47 | lostlogic | amiconn: wtf −− 98 octane!? what you driving, a race car? |
00:04:49 | Mikachu | i think 80% or so of the price is tax here |
00:04:50 | Moos | EU don't have the same taxes for all (and probably never) |
00:04:59 | preglow | lostlogic: you know, the autobahn and all |
00:05:01 | Hotfusion | turbo? |
00:05:02 | amiconn | lostlogic: No, and old BMW |
00:05:04 | amiconn | *an |
00:05:11 | preglow | lostlogic: you need a formula 1 car to survive |
00:05:12 | arf-arf | preglow: I've managed to find a bug with mpc playback |
00:05:18 | preglow | arf-arf: spill it |
00:05:36 | arf-arf | 1) play any mpc file in a folder |
00:05:45 | amiconn | Hotfusion: no turbo |
00:05:47 | arf-arf | 2) wait for the hdd light to go out |
00:06:08 | arf-arf | 3) switch to a different folder and select (right) on a new song |
00:06:22 | Moos | it's playback related bug |
00:06:23 | Hotfusion | I need to get higher octane like 93 just one time so I can clean the fuel system. |
00:06:24 | preglow | arf-arf: that's a rockbox bug, not an mpc bug, and you don't need to wait for the hdd light or switch to a new folder, just try it |
00:06:38 | preglow | arf-arf: if you're talking about the file not wanting to play |
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00:06:57 | arf-arf | oh. okay. in that case you HAVE fixed mpc playback(!) |
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00:07:21 | preglow | hooray, i tells ya |
00:07:28 | arf-arf | heheh |
00:07:32 | Moos | yeah preglow great works !! congrates |
00:07:44 | Moos | now just the patch missing :P |
00:07:48 | Hotfusion | Triva question: True or False, opening up a digital photo constantly over a period of time will degrade the photo picture |
00:07:56 | preglow | i owe it all to lostlogic, if i didn't try to fix his bug, this wouldn't have happened! |
00:07:56 | amiconn | Most cars sold here nowadays prefer 95 octane (super), but can accomodate 91 octane |
00:08:03 | preglow | Hotfusion: ahahahah |
00:08:09 | Hotfusion | I had this lady tell me some photo guys told her that would happen |
00:08:12 | Hotfusion | I was like WTF |
00:08:14 | Mikachu | there is only 95 and 98 octane in sweden |
00:08:17 | amiconn | Just some rather old or very powerful cars need 98 octane (super plus) |
00:08:18 | Mikachu | (i think) |
00:08:33 | preglow | Hotfusion: just go back and laught at her |
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00:14:41 | * | amiconn is silly |
00:14:45 | lostlogic | amiconn: hmm... premium here is 93, and you can't get more in most places. |
00:15:13 | lostlogic | Hotfusion: if you open and _save_ it over and over it will. |
00:15:14 | amiconn | lostlogic: Two oil companies are even selling 100 octane in germany... |
00:15:22 | amiconn | (shell and aral/bp) |
00:15:26 | lostlogic | amiconn: sunoco sells 105 in some states here, I believe. |
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00:16:50 | preglow | lostlogic: oh? you can get 98 everywhere here |
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00:16:59 | lostlogic | I wonder if they use different measuring methods |
00:17:04 | preglow | me too |
00:17:31 | amiconn | preglow: I now know what caused my 'other' bug. It's a thing that I added a workaround for on my windows host, but not on my debian vm... |
00:17:38 | markun | ipl people are doing fun things with alpha blending: http://www.josh.sys-techs.com/ipl/hotdog1.mp4 |
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00:18:17 | lostlogic | it is different |
00:18:34 | lostlogic | Europe sells gas by RON only, US it's (RON + MON) / 2 |
00:18:53 | lostlogic | so 98 ~= 93 (with way too many variables to really compare) |
00:19:41 | * | preglow nods and pretends he understands |
00:20:02 | Bagder | I hate it when facts come in to spoil a good discussion ;-P |
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00:20:56 | preglow | me knowledge of cars pretty much stops at how to drive them |
00:20:57 | Genre9mp3 | Does anyone now how the Dict plugin works? There's no documentation in the wiki.. :( |
00:21:03 | preglow | never could summon the interest to learn more |
00:21:09 | Genre9mp3 | now = know |
00:21:38 | lostlogic | preglow: I'm one of those odd enthusiast types... so I know cars and digital audio players and bikes and skates about equally well :-\ |
00:22:10 | preglow | lostlogic: i tend to be like that too, but not universally |
00:22:32 | lostlogic | course, I have no desire to learn DSP algorithms really, and you cars ;) |
00:22:39 | preglow | haha |
00:22:51 | preglow | i do tend to dive deep in whatever i'm learning |
00:23:02 | preglow | but i never started on cars, however much my car crazy friends have tried |
00:23:30 | lostlogic | I've decided that cars are too expensive of a hobby, comapred to bikes, DAPs and skates, so I'm giving up on them :P |
00:23:41 | preglow | i do know a hell of a lot about beer, though! |
00:23:45 | * | preglow has another one |
00:25:09 | amiconn | LinusN: So, what do you think about requiring a gcc patch for building rockbox (for archos)? |
00:25:11 | * | LinusN and Bagder have spent quite some time under the hood of cars |
00:25:23 | Bagder | yay ignitions! |
00:25:25 | LinusN | amiconn: i have no problem with that |
00:25:31 | preglow | then it's settled |
00:25:33 | crashd | LinusN: what, together? |
00:25:38 | LinusN | yes |
00:25:39 | preglow | we keep our own patch tree |
00:25:48 | preglow | we can't count on the gcc people to include anything we do, that's for sure |
00:25:55 | amiconn | All build servers would need to have the patched gcc installed |
00:26:03 | * | lostlogic mutters |
00:26:45 | amiconn | For now we can save ~3.7% code size with a patched gcc-3.3.6 and -Os |
00:27:06 | LinusN | nice |
00:27:07 | Mikachu | have you compared performance? |
00:27:28 | amiconn | The patch will also ensure plugin stability (plugins are already compiled with -O2, and the bug may hit us there without the patch) |
00:27:30 | lostlogic | I'm concerned about the endpoint for this −− we can also save over 10% codesize if we make gcc-4 for arm properly handle long calls between sections only. |
00:27:34 | lostlogic | should we do that? |
00:27:51 | amiconn | Another workaround is needed for gcc3.3.6 -Os, in mp3_playback.c |
00:28:17 | Bagder | gcc patches for everyone! |
00:28:23 | lostlogic | UGH |
00:28:38 | amiconn | This workaround wouldn't be needed if I manage to get gcc3.4.6 -Os builds working, and it would save us another ~1.3% |
00:28:40 | Bagder | quite painful |
00:29:08 | * | LinusN remembers when we had to use a patched binutils for coldfire targets |
00:29:10 | Mikachu | did i mention i lost a lot of performance on ogg when i tried compiling it with -Os? |
00:29:19 | amiconn | For some reason I would prefer the latter... |
00:30:03 | amiconn | Today's recorder builds: 224KB. gcc-3.3.6 -Os: 216KB. gcc-3.4.6 -Os: 213KB |
00:30:24 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes you did |
00:30:31 | Mikachu | okay, sorry :) |
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00:30:39 | preglow | Mikachu: we won't be compiling Os for swcodec anyway |
00:30:45 | preglow | it's just for those old crummy ugly things ;) |
00:30:53 | Mikachu | ah, right |
00:30:58 | obo | I'm guessing ld: region FLASH is full is a bad sign? ;) |
00:31:06 | amiconn | preglow: Heh! |
00:31:23 | amiconn | obo: Building for archos? |
00:31:33 | obo | yeah, testing a patch I'm writing... |
00:31:39 | amiconn | fm recorder or v2 by chance? |
00:31:41 | Hotfusion | looking at page 3 of hte iaudio manual. It has a warning, becareful not to cut your hands when taking the player nad acessories out of the box |
00:31:50 | Hotfusion | OH, thanks for telling me after it's already out |
00:31:51 | Hotfusion | lol |
00:32:16 | obo | I picked a v2 at random - I have no physical device to test on, but I thought I'd see if it would compile |
00:32:18 | amiconn | That's currently normal, unfortunately. All the recent code additions broke rombox... |
00:32:41 | amiconn | That's one reason why I'm experimenting with -Os like mad... |
00:32:44 | preglow | amiconn: will rombox work when you Os going, btw? |
00:32:56 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but still tight |
00:33:02 | preglow | sure, it'll always be tight |
00:33:07 | preglow | and more features will come |
00:33:10 | amiconn | Iirc we're currently ~3.5KB above limit |
00:33:41 | preglow | the only permanent solution is disabling features |
00:33:56 | amiconn | Bagder: Would it be possible to check for the patched gcc in configure? |
00:34:08 | amiconn | Afaik configure already checks the gcc version |
00:34:11 | Bagder | sure, if we just have a means to do it |
00:34:38 | preglow | we could alter the version strings |
00:34:41 | amiconn | Would it be easy to search for a string in the gcc -v output? |
00:34:50 | preglow | yes |
00:34:51 | Bagder | very easy |
00:35:08 | amiconn | Thinking about sth like gcc 3.3.6 (rockbox patch-1) |
00:35:15 | lostlogic | I seriously don't understand how this tree code works, and I need to know what happens when the user selects a file with >> in order to make it work properly, someone gotta hand? |
00:35:43 | preglow | lostlogic: not much i can do, i'm afraid |
00:35:48 | amiconn | Or maybe a date... |
00:36:32 | preglow | amiconn: i think a patch version number will do nicely |
00:36:41 | preglow | no need for anything more complicated |
00:38:08 | amiconn | Okay, then I'll commit the workaround for gcc 3.3.x and put together a patch |
00:38:33 | LinusN | lostlogic: it calls ft_enter() |
00:39:02 | LinusN | in filetree.c |
00:40:14 | LinusN | which in turn will create a playlist and call playlist_start() |
00:40:28 | lostlogic | LinusN: ah, excellent! thank you |
00:40:32 | LinusN | which calls audio_play() |
00:41:33 | LinusN | time to sleep |
00:41:37 | LinusN | nite all |
00:41:40 | lostlogic | night |
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00:42:40 | goffa | lostlogic: you still need help? |
00:42:43 | preglow | amiconn: you're going to go for gcc 3.3.x now? |
00:42:47 | preglow | why not go 3.4.x at once? |
00:43:02 | lostlogic | goffa: I think I'm on the trail of the hair. |
00:43:11 | goffa | ok |
00:44:02 | amiconn | preglow: (1) going for 3.3.x and -Os and have rombox for fm/v2 in 3.0 (2) wading through the 3.4.x problems and not have it ready in time for 3.0 |
00:44:06 | amiconn | Which one is better? |
00:44:15 | goffa | going to eat this sandwitch then... and twiddle my thumbs before i have to work again |
00:44:19 | Hotfusion | hmm I'd like to figure out how to turn off the screen while the x5l is charging |
00:44:21 | Hotfusion | anyone know how |
00:44:26 | amiconn | The workaround doesn't hurt, it's more like a protection |
00:44:28 | Hotfusion | not using rockbox yet |
00:44:36 | goffa | hot |
00:44:39 | goffa | boot rockbox |
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00:44:44 | preglow | amiconn: the second one, of course |
00:44:47 | goffa | and plug in |
00:45:05 | Bagder | Hotfusion: in regular mode you can switch off the screen by a quick move up with the hold button |
00:45:20 | goffa | yeah... you just have to have rockbox loaded |
00:45:22 | Bagder | I mean in the original firmware |
00:45:25 | Hotfusion | that worked |
00:45:28 | Hotfusion | thanks bagder |
00:45:31 | goffa | oh.. ok |
00:45:35 | erich | The album art extension for rockbox, how does it work (embedded covers into mp3 files, or can it use .folder.jpg and such?) - and how much battery will it cost me? |
00:46:04 | erich | Is there a guide to maximizing battery life with rockbox (e.g. pick a theme which doesn't scroll text?) |
00:46:43 | goffa | erich... shutting off everything you can seems to help. |
00:47:12 | goffa | like tag cache, dir cache, random, intensive wps, voice, etc |
00:47:28 | goffa | random depends on the player |
00:47:30 | goffa | and file type |
00:47:31 | Mikachu | erich: it's possible you'll save a tiny bit if you go out to the menu instead of sitting in wps |
00:48:22 | goffa | e.g. flac on a hard drive based player uses more battery |
00:48:34 | goffa | but on flash based it could potentially be less |
00:48:41 | goffa | than most file types |
00:48:44 | Bagder | try google for "popcap david haas" |
00:49:03 | Genre9mp3 | How do you "execute" a .pl file? |
00:49:21 | Mikachu | perl .pl or chmod +x .pl; ./.pl |
00:49:26 | Genre9mp3 | thanx |
00:50:08 | amiconn | Bagder: No documents found? |
00:50:20 | Mikachu | i got the cease and desist stuff |
00:50:20 | Bagder | wow |
00:50:28 | Bagder | I got lots of Rockbox cease links |
00:50:29 | goffa | heh.. .i think mr hass needs to be sterile |
00:50:40 | goffa | that way he can't reproduce and further lower the collective iq of the world |
00:50:45 | amiconn | It's dave, not david |
00:50:52 | * | amiconn copy-n-pasted |
00:50:54 | Bagder | its david |
00:51:01 | preglow | david |
00:51:07 | preglow | dave's the address |
00:51:13 | goffa | yeah.. dave is to friendly of a name |
00:51:16 | Bagder | yes, he uses both |
00:51:22 | preglow | damn, that climbed the google rankings quick |
00:51:22 | Bagder | in his mail |
00:51:30 | amiconn | Without the "" I also get these links |
00:51:50 | Mikachu | i assumed the "" was just irc quotes |
00:51:53 | preglow | ehh? |
00:52:08 | preglow | herz42: there? |
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00:52:35 | RotAtoR | here's a picture of dave haas down the page a bit :) http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050803/tinney_01.shtml |
00:52:51 | erich | In my tests, the X5 has 6.5 hours battery with rockbox, but 10-11 hours with the original firmware... do they maybe reduce cpu speed or so? after all that is a rather big gap. |
00:53:15 | muesliiiii | ravon |
00:53:17 | goffa | erich: they are still working on optimizing |
00:53:19 | Bagder | erich: that's because Rockbox is very new on X5 |
00:53:21 | preglow | RotAtoR: ahh, and he looks like such a sweet guy |
00:53:23 | goffa | things are very beta at this point |
00:53:25 | preglow | RotAtoR: i figured he had horns |
00:53:28 | RotAtoR | hehe |
00:53:34 | muesliiiii | RotAtoR o prefer Kamasutra :D |
00:53:38 | Mikachu | the centos guy looks harmless too |
00:53:46 | herz42 | preglow: here |
00:53:52 | preglow | herz42: you say the backlight flickers when not boosted in your backlight brightness patch, is that for ipods? |
00:54:04 | RotAtoR | muesliiiii: too much information!! :p |
00:54:12 | muesliiiii | ;) |
00:54:23 | herz42 | preglow: yes, my ipod video, but only for like some few percent on-time |
00:54:31 | preglow | herz42: in that case, it makes no sense, boosting should not affect backlight pwm at all on ipods |
00:54:58 | goffa | i suppose i should get latest cvs seeing how hard you guys worked on mpc.. just for me :) |
00:55:01 | preglow | herz42: try manually boosting the cpu in the debug screen so it's always at 75mhz, then see if it changed. if it does, i'll be really surprised |
00:56:22 | herz42 | preglow: when the cpu is boosted, the backlight also flickers a it, but I think it's a litte less.. |
00:56:39 | preglow | herz42: could it just be your imagination, though? |
00:56:45 | preglow | herz42: the timer should be freq independent on ipods |
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00:57:43 | herz42 | preglow: could indeed be my imagination... |
00:58:04 | amiconn | preglow: Iirc you also said backlight fade would flicker on ipod |
00:58:14 | amiconn | On my mini2g nothing flickers... |
00:58:17 | preglow | amiconn: sure, at lower intensities, but i didn't say it would be cpu freq dependent |
00:58:30 | preglow | amiconn: flickers like a bitch here at long fade times and lower intensities |
00:58:40 | preglow | amiconn: i guess it's backlight dependent |
00:59:10 | erich | Bagder: I know, I'm really amazed how well it already runs though. |
00:59:56 | herz42 | preglow: did you try to vary the absolute on-times to see if flickering changes? |
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01:00:08 | goffa | gah... ../tools/configure: line 1042: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found |
01:00:24 | goffa | oh yeah |
01:00:34 | goffa | probably path |
01:01:20 | preglow | herz42: nopes |
01:01:41 | Mikachu | herz42: on my nano, it's very flickery at the 2 setting, but 3 and anything higher is stable, not using cpu freq scaling |
01:02:25 | preglow | Mikachu: why not using freq scaling? |
01:02:43 | Mikachu | i don't know |
01:03:29 | herz42 | Mikachu: 2 is definitely bad. for 3 I also have to strain to see flickering, but it's there a little bit |
01:03:48 | herz42 | at least in my imagination :) |
01:03:49 | preglow | Mikachu: best kind of reason, granted |
01:03:52 | Mikachu | if i shake my ipod real fast i can see that it's only on for certain times |
01:03:59 | Mikachu | (not recommended for hard disk based players) |
01:04:02 | preglow | Mikachu: try throwing it at the wall |
01:04:07 | Mikachu | :P |
01:04:24 | Mikachu | however |
01:04:32 | preglow | Mikachu: fancy-ass, i just tried it |
01:04:33 | Mikachu | i did the same thing in apple os, and it didn't look at all like that |
01:04:44 | Mikachu | it just faded out everywhere on the line |
01:04:48 | preglow | Mikachu: i think they use the pcf |
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01:05:03 | Mikachu | does that mean their pwm is much faster? |
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01:05:22 | preglow | yep |
01:05:25 | Mikachu | kay |
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01:05:35 | preglow | ok, now my arm's tired |
01:05:55 | Mikachu | use the secondary arm |
01:05:55 | Mikachu | :) |
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01:06:18 | preglow | i just sat shaking the bugger for like half a minute until i noticed my hand was covering the click wheel... |
01:06:31 | Mikachu | heh |
01:06:51 | preglow | but yeah, i think almost all ipods have some other fading method |
01:07:11 | webguest35 | H140, I'm watching the cpu freq during mp3 playback, and I see that it boosts to 124M every 10secs for a few milliseconds and then back to 45M continuously |
01:07:20 | preglow | yea |
01:07:23 | preglow | soon it'll never boost |
01:07:44 | webguest35 | but if the buffer is full, why does it boost |
01:07:52 | preglow | it shouldn't |
01:07:58 | preglow | unless the backlight turns off/on |
01:08:09 | webguest35 | backlight is off |
01:08:19 | preglow | when it switches it boosts |
01:08:36 | preglow | if the pcm level is high, it should never boost unless the backlight fades or the mp3 buffer is filled |
01:08:41 | Mikachu | bug, the backlight doesn't work in doom with the patch :) |
01:08:53 | Mikachu | i know why but it would be better with full on than full off |
01:09:15 | webguest35 | backlight has been off for a while and it still boosts to 124 for a few millisecs every 10~11 secs |
01:09:16 | amiconn | preglow, Mikachu: Interesting, I just did the shake test with my mini2g |
01:09:26 | * | dwihno dreams of insane ipod opts |
01:09:38 | preglow | dwihno: i dream about cooler stuff |
01:09:42 | amiconn | I couldn't see the pwm flicker effect. Maybe the mini has some hardware smoothing |
01:09:44 | Mikachu | somehow, the backlight stopped working even when i exited doom |
01:09:51 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you mention that? |
01:09:51 | dwihno | preglow: then you need to sharpen up your nerd factor :) |
01:10:05 | preglow | amiconn: i thought you said it did some kind of fading no matter if pwm fading was enabled or not |
01:10:09 | preglow | amiconn: i know 4g does that |
01:11:01 | amiconn | Ah, right |
01:11:40 | amiconn | I just re-checked that, 'natural' fade-out delay is ~0.5 sec |
01:11:45 | preglow | yep |
01:11:49 | preglow | ideally we should use that fade |
01:11:59 | preglow | but i have no idea how, not even for 4g where we have the source code to enable it |
01:12:08 | * | amiconn didn't remember because he had rockbox fade-out enabled |
01:13:52 | herz42 | Mikachu: does doom use the timer for itself? |
01:13:52 | Mikachu | i am pretty sure this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5145 is already in cvs |
01:13:56 | Mikachu | herz42: yes |
01:14:08 | Mikachu | herz42: without your patch, fades don't happen, but it still turns on and off |
01:14:20 | Mikachu | herz42: it also stayed broken after i exited doom |
01:14:47 | herz42 | maybe the isr stuff got screwed |
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01:16:22 | preglow | amiconn: i know the pcf can do pwm, doesn't all ipods have a pcf chip? |
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01:17:03 | amiconn | preglow: yes |
01:17:23 | amiconn | Still, the backlight needs to be hooked up to the right pcf pin |
01:17:36 | amiconn | Dunno whether that's the case |
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01:20:01 | preglow | amiconn: good point, i don't really know how it's connected |
01:20:17 | preglow | amiconn: though i've noticed a lot of the ipods need to flip two pins for backlight settings |
01:20:30 | amiconn | The H300 has this kind of backlight control |
01:20:44 | preglow | in some types you even write a value to a register that's not just one bit |
01:20:47 | amiconn | Very useful for brightness setting, but unsuitable for fading |
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01:21:11 | amiconn | preglow: Isn't that just the PP port bit masking? |
01:21:23 | preglow | amiconn: no, i believe the 4g case is not bit masking |
01:22:20 | Moos | good night |
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01:22:32 | * | amiconn just tested the 'penalty' of the jumptable fix (in gcc 3.3.6) |
01:22:49 | amiconn | Merely +176 bytes, I think we can live with that ;) |
01:22:55 | preglow | no!!!!!11one |
01:23:13 | preglow | a better fix would have no penalty, no? |
01:23:18 | Mikachu | you can sprinkle some inlines around to compensate |
01:23:21 | amiconn | Almost no |
01:23:24 | amiconn | ne |
01:23:28 | goffa | not if you are programing vista |
01:24:15 | amiconn | The current fix has a penalty of n bytes for an n-case switch() whose longest jump is between 128 and 255 bytes |
01:24:44 | amiconn | The 'correct fix would have a penalty of 2 bytes in such a case (compared to the wrong code) |
01:25:11 | amiconn | (one instruction) |
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01:31:42 | Inc | do you guy's have ogg support? |
01:31:44 | preglow | yes |
01:31:53 | Inc | ok |
01:31:54 | Inc | thanks |
01:32:15 | Inc | what's the bitrate? |
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01:32:22 | preglow | all of them |
01:32:29 | Inc | which is? |
01:32:34 | preglow | that is, what player? |
01:32:43 | Inc | 5g |
01:32:50 | amiconn | Hmm, -Os does cost a bit of performance |
01:32:53 | Mikachu | what do you mean "what's the bitrate?"? |
01:32:57 | preglow | right |
01:33:01 | preglow | it supports most oggs, then |
01:33:11 | preglow | perhaps not all of the q9 and q10 ones |
01:33:45 | * | amiconn hopes for 3.4.x or even 4.x to fix this |
01:33:47 | Mikachu | amiconn: i can set the pitch to 145% without Os and about 110% with |
01:33:58 | preglow | amiconn: any idea what might cause the vanishing disk label? afaik, you have a look at the fat code |
01:34:22 | amiconn | preglow: No, sorry |
01:34:34 | preglow | amiconn: who knows about the fat code, then? |
01:34:37 | Mikachu | i could make my fstab nicer if you fixed that |
01:34:43 | preglow | amiconn: i don't like the idea of us having bugs in it |
01:35:01 | amiconn | preglow: I know a bit about the fat code, but I have no idea how it could make the disk label vanish |
01:35:20 | preglow | amiconn: i deleted my recordings/ dir, i'm pretty sure that was what deleted my disk label |
01:35:47 | amiconn | Mikachu: Of course on hwcodec I can't perform that test. I did a different (not very scientific) test instead, running cube both on Ondio FM (gcc 3.3.6 -Os) and Ondio SP (gcc 3.3.6 -O) |
01:35:47 | Mikachu | i mkdosfs'd with -f nano, but it's unlabeled now |
01:35:56 | Mikachu | amiconn: ah |
01:36:03 | amiconn | Runs about 7% slower with -Os |
01:36:09 | Mikachu | amiconn: mine wasn't very scientific either :) |
01:36:16 | Mikachu | i did make sure to use the same track though |
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01:37:23 | preglow | amiconn: one could argue speed isn't that important on hwcodec, though |
01:37:36 | amiconn | Not currently, no |
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01:38:09 | * | amiconn wants mod playback... |
01:38:16 | preglow | forget it... |
01:38:16 | preglow | heh |
01:38:26 | preglow | _perhaps_ you could have 4 channel .mod |
01:38:40 | amiconn | Yes, 4 chan should be possible |
01:38:48 | preglow | but it would need to be custom |
01:39:19 | amiconn | The cpu is faster than a stock 68000/7MHz. We will need to mix channels, but then the SH1 has mac... |
01:39:29 | preglow | indeed it does |
01:39:35 | preglow | sounds like a fun project |
01:40:05 | amiconn | ...and the pcm output uses dma, so not much cpu load caused by that |
01:40:10 | preglow | what sfreq does amiga mod players usually use? |
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01:40:40 | amiconn | 4-chan mods use a maximum of ~28800 Hz |
01:41:06 | amiconn | That's the maximum the paula chip can handle when video is in pal or ntsc mode |
01:41:18 | preglow | amiga sound chip drives the dacs itself, right? |
01:41:28 | amiconn | Yes |
01:41:29 | preglow | so you can pretty much use whatever sfreq you like? |
01:41:34 | preglow | yup |
01:41:45 | preglow | i've got a mate who used amigas, so i know a bit |
01:41:49 | amiconn | The paula has 4 channels with 8-dit dacs, two for each stereo channel |
01:42:03 | amiconn | There's a 6 bit volume setting for each channel |
01:42:30 | amiconn | It's not exactly 6bit, because it goes 0..64 instead of 0..63 |
01:42:31 | Hotfusion | hmm the right cord for my iaudio headphones is longer than the left |
01:42:33 | Hotfusion | heh |
01:42:51 | amiconn | SOme clever guys made a 14bit audio driver this way |
01:42:55 | preglow | amiconn: weird... |
01:43:07 | Hotfusion | never seen headset that way |
01:43:13 | preglow | amiconn: by combining dac output with level output, yes? |
01:43:15 | midgey34 | Hotfusion: are they a pair designed to go around the back of the head? |
01:43:26 | Hotfusion | nah stick in your ear kind |
01:43:31 | Hotfusion | just bizarre |
01:43:38 | amiconn | Yes, setting one of each side's channels to vol=64, the other one to vol=1 |
01:43:55 | preglow | yup |
01:44:01 | midgey34 | I meant is the cord designed to rest on the back of the neck or underneath the chin (like most do) |
01:44:06 | amiconn | There's even a calibration program to minimize the nonlinearities of the dacs |
01:44:08 | preglow | though 8 bit isn't that bad if you dither |
01:44:13 | preglow | though they never did in those times |
01:45:13 | sharpe | whee. |
01:45:41 | amiconn | preglow: Since the max. is ~28800 Hz, we should mix to 32000Hz pcm on archos |
01:45:56 | sharpe | i fell asleep... |
01:46:05 | preglow | sharpe: lucky you |
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01:46:20 | preglow | amiconn: what sample rates does the pcm codec do? |
01:46:27 | Hotfusion | I'll either get the sennheiser PX-100 or Audio Technica ATH-EM7 GM. Not sure which yet |
01:46:32 | amiconn | All the standard ones known from mp3 etc |
01:46:52 | amiconn | 8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24/32/44.1/48 kHz |
01:47:15 | amiconn | 16bit, big or little endian, stereo or mono |
01:47:26 | amiconn | Just that we still need to bitswap... |
01:47:58 | preglow | bargh |
01:48:08 | amiconn | We could also use non-standard sample rates by misusing the mas pll (like for pitch), but that'll probably break s/pdif out |
01:48:20 | preglow | s/probably/will/ |
01:48:31 | preglow | won't break it, but you'll get wavs that are tagged real funny |
01:48:33 | amiconn | I still find it remarkable that we can overclock the mas to 200% ... |
01:49:48 | preglow | heh |
01:49:56 | preglow | it can probably take much more too |
01:50:12 | preglow | power consumption sets a limit before excessive heat does |
01:51:21 | webguest35 | is there any way to have crossfeed come on automatically if the info was flagged in the comments field of the ID3 tag ? |
01:51:29 | amiconn | The mas runs at 22 or 24MHz internally, depending on the sample rate |
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01:53:16 | preglow | webguest35: no |
01:53:40 | webguest35 | thanks |
01:53:41 | preglow | webguest35: as in of course it's possible, but no, not something i can see us ever doing by default |
01:54:47 | preglow | good reason to pick up on programming |
01:54:55 | webguest35 | some old 60's and 70's music sounds better with crossfeed, I was thinking that it would be cool to have the info in the tag |
01:55:12 | preglow | webguest35: yeah, i agree, but i think it's a wee bit too esoteric to include in default rockbox |
01:55:21 | amiconn | wtf! My mini2g is skipping :( |
01:55:26 | preglow | amiconn: "surprise" |
01:55:30 | webguest35 | yep you're right, asm or C |
01:55:34 | preglow | webguest35: c |
01:55:45 | preglow | webguest35: you'll very, very seldom need asm |
01:55:58 | preglow | unless you're insane and happen to like it, like me |
01:56:21 | webguest35 | wouldn't want to follow in your footsteps :-) |
01:56:40 | amiconn | asm is fun... |
01:57:08 | muesliiiii | amiconn u scare me |
01:57:41 | amiconn | muesliiiii: Take a look at some of my asm functions, like e.g. coldfire memcpy() ... |
01:57:43 | * | preglow preeeeeglow |
01:57:51 | preglow | muesliiiii: don't |
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01:58:19 | muesliiiii | dunno anything about asm but its code looks hardcore |
01:58:28 | amiconn | preglow: Should I suggest your imdct stuff instead? |
01:58:34 | preglow | amiconn: ahahah, don't |
01:58:43 | preglow | i nearly went cross-eyed from writing it |
01:59:07 | preglow | luckily someone even deeper in the clutches of insanity, toni1, has rewritten it |
01:59:29 | amiconn | Speaking about that - any reason to hold back the commit? |
01:59:32 | preglow | nope |
01:59:36 | preglow | just need a wee bit more testing |
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01:59:45 | amiconn | Did you re-check the sine wave cases you mentioned? |
01:59:47 | preglow | i'm going to commit it tomorrow if nothing pops up |
01:59:52 | preglow | yep, it works just fine now |
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02:01:48 | preglow | it pays to keep sine wave samples around, it almost always triggers subtle bugs |
02:02:32 | chi | is vfat the same as fat32? |
02:02:46 | preglow | chi: yea |
02:02:53 | amiconn | chi: No, it's a separate concept |
02:02:57 | preglow | oh? |
02:03:01 | chi | ? |
02:03:09 | sharpe | seems like it'd be like, "virtual fat" |
02:03:16 | amiconn | fat can be fat12, fat16 or fat32 depending on the disk size |
02:03:19 | Mikachu | vfat is the long filenames stuff i think |
02:03:25 | amiconn | vfat means the long filename extension |
02:03:27 | Mikachu | hooray |
02:03:28 | sharpe | but it's just an inference. |
02:03:45 | chi | so as a lable in fdisk win95fat32 is not the same as dosfstools mkfs.vfat? |
02:03:46 | Mikachu | so you can have long filenames on fat16 if you want |
02:03:54 | amiconn | vfat can be used with either fat format |
02:03:57 | sharpe | you know what'd be a redundant filesystem? a virtual filesystem stored on disk. |
02:04:03 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes, that's even pretty common |
02:04:05 | Mikachu | but rockbox doesn't like fat16 |
02:04:12 | Mikachu | i have found that out empirically :) |
02:04:26 | amiconn | floppy disks are practically always fat12, and most flash cards are fat16 |
02:04:32 | amiconn | Mikachu: That's incorrect |
02:04:43 | chi | Mikachu, thats exactly what im trying to do ha |
02:04:51 | Mikachu | amiconn: it wouldn't find the free sector to save config in, so it crapped out a bit |
02:04:55 | Mikachu | the filesystem bit works fine |
02:04:55 | amiconn | Rockbox does support fat16, it's just not enabled for all targets |
02:04:58 | preglow | so fat32 without vfat is possible? |
02:05:12 | amiconn | We need to support fat16 on Ondio |
02:05:19 | amiconn | preglow: Yes |
02:05:23 | preglow | aight |
02:05:55 | chi | i would use this "mkfs.vfat" to make a fat32 file system tho? |
02:06:09 | amiconn | In fact it has onlyvery little to do with the file system itself, so a non-vfat aware application can read and write a partition containing vfat filenames |
02:06:23 | preglow | well, yeah, but it'd look like crap |
02:06:35 | Mikachu | chi: you have to say -F 32 |
02:06:35 | preglow | amiconn: doesn't vfat split file names into several 8.3 file names? |
02:06:41 | amiconn | It would only see the shortnames, that's what they are for |
02:06:48 | chi | oh ok thanks Mikachu ;] |
02:06:53 | goffa | yay.. mpcs play through again |
02:07:12 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, but all the extended entries are invisible in a non-vfat system |
02:07:24 | amiconn | That's achieved by a special attribute combination |
02:07:51 | preglow | yeah |
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02:08:14 | amiconn | With vfat, every file can have 2 names, the 8.3 name (mandatory) and the longname |
02:09:00 | amiconn | The longnames would even stay intact if a non-vfat system writes to the disk |
02:10:24 | amiconn | Mikachu: It's very simple to enable fat16 support for other targets |
02:11:03 | amiconn | Just add #define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT to the appropriate config-*.h file |
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02:14:53 | Mikachu | amiconn: it would find the config sector then? |
02:15:17 | amiconn | Hmm, finding the config sector is independent of file system support |
02:15:24 | Mikachu | that's the only thing that didn't work |
02:15:34 | Mikachu | and it would pop up a splash lasting 2 seconds every attempt or so |
02:15:45 | amiconn | What did you do? |
02:15:59 | Mikachu | accidentally formatted without -F 32 and installed as usual |
02:16:34 | amiconn | If that really would have been fat16, rockbox wouldn't have booted |
02:17:19 | amiconn | The most likely cause for the "partition?" splash is that the disk was accidentally formatted in superfloppy mode, i.e. without a partition table |
02:17:41 | Mikachu | i don't think it said partition?, i got something like can't find config sector |
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02:19:34 | Mikachu | but i don't particularly want to use fat16 |
02:19:42 | chi | is there an MBR on a nano? i just made a small bootalbe partition |
02:20:04 | chi | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
02:20:04 | chi | /dev/sdc1 * 1 41 80042 b W95 FAT32 |
02:20:04 | chi | /dev/sdc2 42 1023 1917846 b W95 FAT32 |
02:20:16 | Mikachu | um |
02:20:20 | chi | looks right to me heh? |
02:20:30 | amiconn | no |
02:20:31 | Mikachu | what did you do to your old sdc1? |
02:20:44 | amiconn | Your firmware partition is gone |
02:20:45 | Mikachu | you sort of removed the rockbox bootloader |
02:20:49 | chi | Mikachu, before i heard of rockbox i had accidently formated my nano =\ |
02:21:10 | Mikachu | you want an Empty partition from block 1 to 10 |
02:21:12 | Mikachu | then a fat32 |
02:21:27 | preglow | no worries |
02:21:31 | preglow | just restore it |
02:21:37 | chi | and i can use dd right? |
02:21:47 | Mikachu | you have to create some proper partitions before the ipod restorer will detect it |
02:21:48 | amiconn | Apple's choice of partition type 0 certainly wasn't the best |
02:21:50 | chi | to blank the first 10 blocks |
02:22:03 | Mikachu | amiconn: will rockbox find the fat partition if i set the type to fat hidden? |
02:22:19 | Mikachu | chi: they're not going to be blank |
02:22:30 | amiconn | Mikachu: Rockbox doesn't care about the partition type, you could set it to anything |
02:22:36 | amiconn | (just avoid type 5) |
02:22:45 | Mikachu | maybe apple's os wouldn't like it though... |
02:22:46 | preglow | which is? |
02:22:48 | Mikachu | i'll just try |
02:22:53 | Hotfusion | well after listening to some 38 special on the iaudio I'd say im impressed. Don't like it that I have to it pause then left to stop play. Headphones hurt a little but great sound |
02:23:03 | Mikachu | preglow: extended |
02:23:12 | amiconn | It just tries to mount every non-zero-type partition as fat32, except type 5 |
02:23:18 | preglow | Hotfusion: pause then left to stop play??? |
02:23:22 | amiconn | preglow: Type 5 is 'extended partition' |
02:23:43 | Hotfusion | I'll add on the rockbox firmware probably tomorrow sometime |
02:24:24 | * | preglow hugs his h120 |
02:24:29 | preglow | best mp3 player i'll ever have |
02:24:38 | muesliiiii | true |
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02:24:56 | muesliiiii | my h320 isnt a real competitor |
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02:25:01 | preeeeeglow | hell no |
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02:25:14 | preeeeeglow | i didn't want to gamble on freenode accepting too long nicks :P |
02:25:31 | muesliiiii | i broke with my h120 long time ago |
02:25:36 | Mikachu | it seems to work fine with hidden |
02:25:37 | * | amiconn prefers the H340 over the H140 |
02:25:39 | dpassen1 | my 120 is still going strong |
02:25:48 | preeeeeglow | muesliiiii: how? sounds like a painful process |
02:25:50 | muesliiiii | regret it *sniff* |
02:25:52 | preeeeeglow | amiconn: why? |
02:26:10 | Mikachu | but for some reason retail os asks me for language everytime i start it now |
02:26:11 | muesliiiii | i was horny for the color lcd *shame* |
02:26:13 | chi | do i need a bootable flag anywhere? |
02:26:14 | Hotfusion | *goes to read manual |
02:26:17 | preeeeeglow | hahaha |
02:26:17 | amiconn | Way better placement of controls, and better readability |
02:26:22 | * | Hotfusion goes to read manual some more |
02:26:24 | amiconn | (No, I don't mean the colour) |
02:26:30 | preeeeeglow | amiconn: better readability, actually |
02:26:36 | preeeeeglow | i wouldn't have expected that |
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02:26:46 | preglow | heh |
02:27:03 | amiconn | The backlight of the H1x0 shouldn't be called a 'light' |
02:27:04 | Mikachu | changing back to unhidden, and it fonud my old settings again |
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02:27:18 | muesliiiii | much better keys and admirable runtime :o |
02:27:28 | Mikachu | chi: only if you want to boot a computer with it |
02:27:31 | preglow | amiconn: i kinda understand what you mean, but i think the h1x0 has nice readability |
02:27:43 | preglow | but then again, i very seldom actually look at the screen |
02:28:02 | * | chi feels foolish |
02:28:05 | preglow | what i care about is the fact that it's got everything |
02:28:11 | amiconn | In a bright environment, readability of the H1x0 is better than H300 |
02:28:23 | Mikachu | in sunlight, i can't tell if nano backlight is on or off |
02:28:26 | amiconn | That's why I usually prefer b/w lcds over colour |
02:28:28 | preglow | amiconn: if it's anything like my mobile phone, then hell yeah |
02:28:41 | preglow | i can't fucking read my mobile phone in direct sunlight |
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02:29:22 | muesliiiii | i miss the joystick :o |
02:29:36 | preglow | i wouldn't |
02:29:40 | preglow | it's my least favourite part |
02:29:41 | amiconn | I like the H300 not having a joystick |
02:29:44 | preglow | but it doesn't annoy me too much |
02:30:03 | amiconn | ..and also the butons not scattered all over the various surfaces |
02:30:05 | goffa | joystick is good for navigation, but i tend to bump it |
02:30:13 | preglow | i tend to slip on it |
02:30:18 | preglow | bloody little prick |
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02:30:38 | amiconn | The H300 buttons are also less than perfect |
02:30:40 | goffa | i'm thinking about a 340 |
02:30:47 | muesliiiii | i am using the remote in 99% if all cases but the joystick itself roxxx |
02:30:54 | preglow | i almost need to sand my fingers before using the h1x0 joystick |
02:30:56 | goffa | would be good to have in addition to my x5 |
02:31:10 | muesliiiii | goffa dont do that! |
02:31:19 | muesliiiii | just another brick in the wall! |
02:31:37 | preglow | muesliiiii: you have iriver or cowon? |
02:31:44 | * | amiconn would like the H1x0 technology with H300 buttons & case with a bright, white backlight |
02:31:44 | muesliiiii | the h320 |
02:31:47 | preglow | riight |
02:32:00 | muesliiiii | actually an h330 ;) |
02:32:03 | preglow | i was just wondering what the cowon joystick was as compored to the iriver one |
02:32:15 | goffa | i want more storage |
02:32:19 | goffa | that's all i know |
02:32:21 | preglow | i want more beer |
02:32:27 | preglow | that's all i know |
02:32:28 | Mikachu | i want candy o/~ |
02:32:39 | goffa | i'd like to stick an 80gb or so in my x5 |
02:32:44 | goffa | but i wonder about battery |
02:32:51 | preglow | goffa: give it another couple of years and you'll have it |
02:32:52 | goffa | 2 players would give more storage and more battery |
02:32:53 | amiconn | preglow: It's better to operate, but was either made for left-handed people, or people with very short fingers |
02:32:59 | amiconn | (wrong placement, imho) |
02:33:00 | preglow | amiconn: i know |
02:33:02 | goffa | preglow: i want it NOW :P |
02:33:02 | muesliiiii | preglow x5's joystick is a pain in the ass but not a joystick! |
02:33:05 | preglow | and i agree |
02:33:16 | preglow | goffa: then you're out of luck |
02:33:24 | preglow | muesliiiii: ok, that's a contradiction |
02:33:26 | * | goffa is aware |
02:33:40 | goffa | so 2 players will have to do for now |
02:33:52 | preglow | yeah, i think two'll do for me as wel |
02:33:52 | preglow | l |
02:33:56 | muesliiiii | the x5 is yummy slim but its display suxxx either |
02:34:01 | * | preglow punches his enter key |
02:34:14 | Mikachu | ah, so that's why it doesn't work |
02:34:17 | * | amiconn could store 176GB on all his rockboxes (manufacturer GB) |
02:34:18 | goffa | yeah... to be honest i like my x5 |
02:34:37 | preglow | amiconn: GiB? |
02:34:41 | Mikachu | not GiB |
02:34:45 | preglow | right |
02:34:48 | preglow | gB |
02:34:49 | preglow | i forget |
02:35:00 | Mikachu | surely it's a capital G? |
02:35:05 | preglow | is it, though? |
02:35:11 | Mikachu | not sure, those french are crazy |
02:35:12 | amiconn | Mikachu: yep |
02:35:14 | goffa | yeah its GB or Gb |
02:35:21 | preglow | nah, b is for bit, B is for byte |
02:35:24 | Mikachu | goffa: that's not what we're talking about |
02:35:46 | muesliiiii | i could kick iriver for not building in h3xx lcd in h1xx chasis |
02:35:47 | Mikachu | Gi ~ 1024, G ~ 1000 |
02:35:53 | preglow | Mikachu: crazy isn't the right word, i would have used "crackpots" |
02:35:53 | goffa | ah |
02:36:10 | Mikachu | heh |
02:36:36 | preglow | muesliiiii: the other way around and we're talking |
02:36:44 | Mikachu | the problem is nobody uses Gi, so G can still mean either |
02:36:51 | goffa | yeah |
02:36:55 | preglow | muesliiiii: plus stuff the spdif's in and a more reasonble clock selction interface on the coldfire, and it'd be bloody ultimate |
02:37:01 | goffa | depends on if you're buying or selling |
02:37:01 | chi | everytime i do dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdc it recks my partition table |
02:37:18 | Mikachu | chi: no shit |
02:37:20 | muesliiiii | preglow true |
02:37:22 | chi | =\ |
02:37:29 | Mikachu | chi: you want to write it to /dev/sdc______1______ |
02:37:35 | preglow | i don't expect to see anything cooler than my h120 come by for a long while |
02:37:36 | amiconn | chi: of=/dev/sd1 not /dev/sdc |
02:37:47 | Mikachu | sdc is your whole device, _including_ the partition table |
02:37:49 | chi | i see |
02:38:02 | * | chi learns something new |
02:38:05 | muesliiiii | i guess i will downgrade again |
02:38:28 | Mikachu | chi: sorry if that came out rude :) |
02:38:39 | chi | sall good ;] |
02:38:44 | muesliiiii | but wouldnt to buy an ipod |
02:38:58 | muesliiiii | but i have to kick that shitty touch wheel first |
02:39:16 | muesliiiii | mind |
02:39:23 | goffa | buying an ipod would make me feel dirty |
02:39:31 | scorche | amiconn: my fingers hurt =( |
02:39:48 | goffa | although 60gb would be nice too |
02:39:55 | muesliiiii | they have to improve audio quality first. unless its not a real choice |
02:40:08 | scorche | amiconn: i wasted like 2 hours playing bubbles on my archos... |
02:40:10 | chi | amiconn, /dev/sd1 <- that wont write to my other scsis' ? |
02:40:19 | goffa | just assumed audio quality was poor due to itunes |
02:40:21 | amiconn | scorche: hehe. |
02:40:28 | goffa | didn't realize that was an issue |
02:40:30 | Mikachu | chi: he meant sdc1, like i said |
02:40:33 | amiconn | chi: sry typo :/ |
02:40:33 | muesliiiii | goffa just take an h340 or h340 and built in toshibas 60gb drive |
02:40:40 | goffa | yeah |
02:40:44 | goffa | muesliiiii: that was the plan |
02:40:46 | muesliiiii | h14ß |
02:41:18 | chi | oh i see so the larger partiotion should be sdc2? |
02:41:21 | amiconn | muesliiiii: My impression is that the WM8xxx codecs used in the ipods deliver better quality than the UDA1380 in the irivers |
02:41:29 | goffa | i've been pretty satisfied with my x5 as far as sound goes |
02:41:29 | Mikachu | chi: yes |
02:41:31 | preglow | not mine |
02:41:40 | muesliiiii | but im pretty sure toshiba will release a 40 60gb single platter sometime |
02:41:42 | preglow | the software eq in my nano is shite |
02:41:50 | preglow | ehh |
02:41:53 | Mikachu | didn't you write that? |
02:41:54 | preglow | hardware :-D |
02:41:54 | Mikachu | :P |
02:42:03 | preglow | i blame it on the beer |
02:42:08 | goffa | there's supposed to be an mk8007gah coming out sometime soon |
02:42:12 | muesliiiii | amiconn never listened to an ipod but people who did werent pleased :-/ |
02:42:13 | amiconn | preglow: The WM8711 doesn't have any tone controls :/ |
02:42:17 | preglow | it's not the fact that i'm insane, no, siree |
02:42:23 | preglow | amiconn: none at all? |
02:42:24 | Mikachu | certainly not |
02:42:31 | amiconn | muesliiiii: I actually did. I *have* one |
02:42:41 | goffa | heh... now if i could get an 80gb flash player ;) |
02:42:42 | amiconn | preglow: yups |
02:42:47 | preglow | amiconn: weird |
02:42:59 | preglow | amiconn: btw, wasn't that so for x5 as well? |
02:43:00 | muesliiiii | time to lose some i's |
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02:43:14 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, afaik |
02:43:18 | preglow | i remember contemplating writing a software treble/bass boost for it |
02:43:25 | amiconn | TLV0320-something |
02:44:02 | amiconn | Btw, the ipl people aren't 100% correct about the mini2g audiocodec |
02:44:04 | preglow | that is, i've already done it, it was more whether there was any point in using it |
02:44:10 | preglow | amiconn: no surprise there |
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02:44:46 | amiconn | The driver is WM8731 for the whole family, which also means 8721 and 8711 |
02:45:00 | muesli- | but im pretty happy that u fantastic guys keep on porting on other players. would be a mess if theres no rockbox future on further targets |
02:45:20 | amiconn | ipl code says mini and mini2g have 8731 with recording disconnected, so they set the id to 8721 |
02:45:30 | goffa | rockbox HAS to port to other players in order to survive |
02:45:32 | scorche | speaking of ipl...is having them as a see also link on the rockbox wikipedia page really neccssary? |
02:45:34 | amiconn | My mini2g has a 8711 though |
02:45:38 | goffa | in 3 years everything will be obsolete anyway |
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02:45:51 | goffa | and out of warranty and hard to find |
02:46:10 | preglow | hahah |
02:46:29 | preglow | if you ask me, much of the point in rockbox is that you don't need to buy new hardware all the time |
02:46:43 | preglow | especially now that we've got swcodec platforms, we can do pretty much everything we want |
02:46:47 | goffa | true.. but finding old hardware can prove tricky |
02:46:50 | preglow | no need to buy new players anymore |
02:46:54 | preglow | goffa: not with ipods |
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02:47:02 | preglow | goffa: everyone's got an old one they don't need |
02:47:08 | Mikachu | in two years streets will be littered with old ipods |
02:47:12 | goffa | yeah |
02:47:27 | goffa | like i said... owning an ipod would make me feel dirty :) |
02:47:34 | preglow | a lot of the ipods can take quite a beating |
02:47:42 | preglow | i think the nanos will survive for quite a while |
02:48:00 | preglow | when we start utilising the second core, it'll be a very powerful platform |
02:48:10 | Mikachu | does ipl know how to do that? |
02:48:13 | preglow | yea |
02:48:14 | preglow | so do we |
02:48:17 | chi | hrm still doesnt work =/ i dont realy create the sdc1 partitionn tho right just sdc2 starting at block 11?? |
02:48:22 | preglow | it isn't hard |
02:48:28 | webguest77 | preglow, I coated/painted my H140's joystick with black nail varnish, works a treat, great finish and provides grip, can also build up the dimple if so desired |
02:48:29 | preglow | it's just that adapting rockbox will be a bit hard |
02:48:36 | muesli- | im dreaming of an flash-based 40gb drive :o |
02:48:41 | preglow | webguest77: yeah, i've heard of that |
02:48:43 | Mikachu | at least you already have threads |
02:48:51 | goffa | muesli-: me too, me too |
02:48:52 | preglow | Mikachu: doesn't help |
02:49:24 | preglow | Mikachu: we pretty much need to decide which threads should be run on which core, then make sure the threads on the different core doesn't talk too much among themselves |
02:49:30 | muesli- | runtime would be wonderful.. |
02:49:32 | amiconn | I wonder whether we should use the second core at all |
02:49:56 | goffa | flac would be an option too muesli-... i'd go broke because i'd have like 5 of them |
02:50:17 | amiconn | Well, perhaps except for video, if someone feels the desire to implement that |
02:50:23 | goffa | and it would take up less space than a 20 cd holder |
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02:50:36 | muesli- | imho flac is waste of memory. highly encoded mps do it as well |
02:50:36 | preglow | amiconn: i think we should, but not yet |
02:50:42 | muesli- | mp3 |
02:50:58 | goffa | and with my er4s or e5c's it'd be lite to boot |
02:51:02 | preglow | running on one core is a great reason to optimise more |
02:51:04 | preglow | and we need that |
02:51:18 | amiconn | yes |
02:51:20 | goffa | yeah atm i use ogg and mpc on the portable |
02:51:37 | preglow | and in the case of ipods, not only codecs need optimising |
02:51:39 | preglow | the core does too |
02:51:41 | amiconn | But when it's optimised enough, we don't need the second core at all |
02:51:50 | chi | maybe the problem is my bootpartition.bin i think i got from kapheine. since i didnt have my own to start with after formating it heh |
02:51:52 | preglow | sure, and if that's where we end up, then hooray |
02:52:18 | preglow | i think the whole strategy with two cores was a bit of a cheat by portalplayer anyway |
02:52:19 | muesli- | what is the sake for the 2nd core at all? ->video? |
02:52:29 | amiconn | Imho one of the big problems is the inability to change timings for many hardware components |
02:52:40 | preglow | amiconn: how? |
02:53:09 | amiconn | how?? |
02:53:36 | amiconn | The lcd updates on the greyscale ipods are slow, but not because of the amount of data to move |
02:53:36 | * | goffa realizes he is in doors |
02:53:43 | goffa | time to hop on the bike |
02:53:45 | preglow | ahh, right |
02:54:02 | Mikachu | aren't they slow on color ipods too? |
02:54:09 | preglow | but that's pretty much because we don't know how, not because we can't |
02:54:56 | amiconn | That's the same for me, here. We have no docs... |
02:55:18 | * | preglow kicks portalplayer |
02:55:23 | preglow | bloody fools |
02:55:34 | * | amiconn joins in kicking portalplayer |
02:55:35 | preglow | i hope they go bankrupt |
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02:56:04 | Mikachu | selling 500 million chips is probably not a good way to go bankrupt |
02:56:20 | preglow | Mikachu: their future might not be that bright, though |
02:56:21 | muesli- | what is portalplayer? |
02:56:37 | preglow | muesli-: the people who make the main chip in the ipods |
02:56:45 | muesli- | mk |
02:56:52 | chi | maybe someone could take a peek and let me know if that looks ok? http://pastebin.com/682137 |
02:57:15 | preglow | hell no |
02:57:19 | preglow | you're lacking the boot partition |
02:57:30 | chi | =\ |
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02:57:45 | preglow | and you wrote to a partition that doesn't exist |
02:57:48 | Mikachu | chi: i told you, you want an Empty partition between block 1 to 10 |
02:58:01 | Mikachu | you probably just copied the file to /dev |
02:58:07 | preglow | hahahah |
02:58:10 | chi | by empty you mean ? no system id? |
02:58:19 | Mikachu | chi: there is an id called Empty |
02:58:26 | chi | ha |
02:58:26 | Mikachu | most likely number 0 |
02:58:40 | preglow | Mikachu: where you the one who did the kirby dance, btw? |
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02:59:01 | * | Mikachu does the kirby dance <('')> <("<) (>"<) (>")> <('')> |
02:59:09 | * | preglow does the copy to a text file |
02:59:11 | Mikachu | i have stolen it from someone though |
02:59:18 | Mikachu | there is also |
02:59:20 | * | Mikachu does the kirby dance <(o.o^) (^o.o^) (^o.o)> (>o.o)> (vo.o)> (vo.ov) <(o.ov) <(o.o<) |
02:59:23 | * | Mikachu does the kirby dance <('.'^) (^'.'^) (^'.')> (>'.')> (v'.')> (v'.'v) <('.'v) <('.'<) |
02:59:28 | preglow | aahahhaha |
02:59:31 | preglow | priceless |
02:59:32 | Mikachu | but i like the first one best |
02:59:43 | preglow | me too |
02:59:51 | preglow | thought the fact that there exists more tickles me |
02:59:58 | preglow | someone out there is more clever than me! |
03:00 |
03:00:09 | chi | does sdc1 need to be fat32 also? |
03:00:15 | Mikachu | ??? |
03:00:18 | Mikachu | it should be Empty |
03:00:22 | chi | sorry for asking so many uestions |
03:00:27 | Mikachu | type 0 |
03:00:32 | chi | k |
03:00:33 | Mikachu | then you write rockboot.bin there |
03:00:36 | Mikachu | done |
03:01:02 | preglow | questions are allowed |
03:01:12 | preglow | though you should just try to make it all one fat32 partition, then restore it |
03:01:28 | preglow | on the accounts of it being foolproof |
03:01:31 | preglow | (tm) |
03:02:12 | Mikachu | this works too, if he has the mbr and apple_os.bin backups |
03:02:26 | Mikachu | not sure how picky it is about the mbr |
03:03:27 | preglow | me neither |
03:06:06 | chi | success! |
03:06:15 | chi | thank you guys for putting up with me |
03:06:16 | preglow | at last1 |
03:06:20 | chi | hehe |
03:06:29 | preglow | a small donation will show your apprecation more properly!" |
03:06:35 | preglow | <−−- asshole |
03:06:37 | chi | lol |
03:07:14 | Hotfusion | just plain wrong o_O O_o |
03:07:19 | preglow | and sad |
03:08:28 | preglow | anywho |
03:08:34 | preglow | time to say moo |
03:08:40 | Mikachu | moOOOooooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooooOOoooOOooooOOOo |
03:08:48 | preglow | moOOOOOOO00000000000OOOOoooooo |
03:08:53 | chi | m0o? |
03:08:57 | preglow | mo... |
03:09:49 | Hotfusion | meow |
03:09:54 | preglow | wrong animal |
03:10:00 | Hotfusion | O.O |
03:10:03 | scorche | NRRRRRRRRGGGGG |
03:10:16 | Hotfusion | RRRRAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWRRRRRR |
03:10:22 | preglow | correct animals, but wrong time of day |
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03:10:31 | scorche | FapFapFapFapFapFap |
03:10:34 | scorche | errrrr... |
03:10:41 | preglow | wrong... whatever... |
03:11:13 | preglow | i expect an answer to what that was supposed to be, btw :P |
03:11:15 | Mikachu | i hope that is a milking noise |
03:11:34 | scorche | uhhh...yes....MILK! |
03:11:50 | Hotfusion | he's still thinking about his asshole |
03:12:05 | preglow | i didn't notice |
03:13:09 | * | Hotfusion imagines tumbleweed rolling by |
03:13:27 | preglow | hahahah |
03:13:31 | scorche | fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap |
03:13:44 | preglow | w00tw00tw00tw00tw00tw00t |
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03:14:04 | Hotfusion | :bananna: :bannana: :bananna: :bananna: |
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03:14:15 | scorche | BANANAPHONE!!1 |
03:15:04 | preglow | okiedoke |
03:15:04 | preglow | moo! |
03:15:06 | preglow | night |
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03:21:28 | Hotfusion | hey jhauman from a residential hall at centarl michigan? |
03:21:33 | Hotfusion | central* |
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03:30:32 | sharpe | woo storms. |
03:31:31 | scorche | <3 UPSs |
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03:38:29 | jbauman | Hotfusion: close - jbauman from a residential hall at carnegie mellon |
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03:55:53 | scorche | if im outputting on digital or optical outputs of audio the quality of the card makes no difference right for audio quality only the dac of the speaker subsystem or whatever right? |
03:56:15 | Mikachu | that sounds like a reasonable assumption |
03:57:03 | quirck | you need to prewarm the digital cables to ambient temperature to minimize jitter... ;) |
03:57:19 | Mikachu | there are people who would tell you it matters which way you plug in the cable |
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03:57:27 | Mikachu | electron alignment and stuff |
03:58:50 | scorche | quirck: cool, ill just pour some coffee that my cd cupholder is holding on it |
03:59:21 | * | Mikachu juggles som shakti stones and pours yoghurt on quirck |
03:59:44 | scorche | would it be better to have a good sound card and output analogue to each one straight off the card, or actually get a speaker set and hope the conversion is as good as the speakers whatever quality that may be |
04:00 |
04:00:58 | quirck | dedicated dac is always the preferred way to go... |
04:01:31 | quirck | especially since major rockbox platforms archos and ihp1x0 have digital outs... |
04:02:32 | scorche | what exactly constitutes dedicated? a receiver? |
04:03:41 | quirck | just a dac, digital in, line-level out, no builtin amp.. |
04:04:06 | Mikachu | isn't having the least amount of cabling carrying analogue signals preferred? |
04:04:27 | Mikachu | unless you live in a faraday cage |
04:04:47 | quirck | or use shielded cables |
04:06:22 | scorche | so a sound card is considered dedicated? |
04:07:23 | quirck | soundcard with digital out is a transport, soundcard's builtin dacs tend to be crappy... |
04:07:57 | Hotfusion | it would he hard to distinguish the sound if you had nice speakers. I mean I have Klipsch Pro Media 4.1 for going on 4 years now. Sound as good the day I got them and sound the same on my onboard vs my audigy 2 card. |
04:08:00 | Mikachu | i guess those 1000$ soundcards have pretty good ones |
04:08:15 | Hotfusion | usually professional yea |
04:11:23 | quirck | it would be harder to distinguish the sound with poor speakers, the better the speakers or headphones, the more revealing they are for upstream limitations... |
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04:22:58 | JdGordon | bloody WGA... time to switch to linux... |
04:23:21 | Inc | so should I use ipodlinux |
04:23:27 | Inc | or should I use rockbox |
04:23:28 | Inc | ? |
04:23:34 | JdGordon | rb of course.. |
04:23:35 | Inc | I don't want to damage my ipod..... |
04:24:13 | lostlogic | asdf;ljkasd;flkjasf ROCKBOX DON'T BREAK IPODS (neither does ipl, but rockbox is just better) |
04:24:30 | Inc | I want it to play video games. |
04:24:38 | lostlogic | rockbox FTW |
04:24:48 | Inc | ftw? |
04:24:51 | lostlogic | what games does IPL have any way? |
04:24:53 | quirck | there is always wgaworkaround.ie.user.js but linux is definitely the way to go... |
04:24:54 | lostlogic | for the win |
04:25:02 | Inc | I see. |
04:25:09 | Inc | ipodlinux has half life |
04:25:13 | Inc | I like half life :) |
04:25:17 | lostlogic | no it doesn't. |
04:25:24 | Inc | yeah it does. |
04:25:24 | lostlogic | it has doom with a halflife level. |
04:25:24 | scorche | ipl has the wads |
04:25:29 | lostlogic | rockbox also has doom |
04:25:38 | Inc | with a half life level? |
04:25:40 | lostlogic | does our doom run those wads as well? |
04:25:40 | Inc | and wads? |
04:25:52 | lostlogic | I am in a very mean mood, so I am going to stop speaking. |
04:25:57 | Inc | I have the 5g. |
04:26:07 | scorche | last i heard, someone was working on getting some other wads to work |
04:26:09 | Inc | lostlogic, hahah I can bite don't worry. |
04:26:20 | Inc | scorche, so ipl has more support for wads? |
04:26:36 | scorche | i wouldnt saythat |
04:26:37 | Inc | if you download iDoom, you can have doom, quake and other games on it. |
04:26:50 | scorche | you can have the same games with rockbox |
04:27:08 | Inc | I see. |
04:27:19 | Inc | so for gaming I'd have the same support with rockbox? |
04:27:25 | Inc | I also like the boot menu....... |
04:27:33 | Inc | because I like to boot um |
04:27:38 | Inc | apple firmware first |
04:27:43 | * | scorche wishes he could remember who it was that was talking about the wads earlier |
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04:28:04 | scorche | to the logs! |
04:28:09 | Inc | who has more support for the 5g? |
04:29:02 | lostlogic | us, afaik |
04:29:13 | Inc | I see. |
04:29:39 | scorche | ah...found it |
04:29:49 | Inc | what about it? |
04:30:04 | Inc | ok I guess I just need help setting ipod firmware to default |
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04:30:09 | scorche | sererokr, and kkurbjun were apparently talking about it |
04:30:13 | Inc | so I can just hit menu for 5 seconds to boot into rockbox |
04:30:40 | scorche | sererockr was saying he was working on the wads to make em work |
04:30:45 | scorche | -c |
04:30:50 | lostlogic | Inc: when you install rockbox, it boots up by default |
04:30:53 | lostlogic | hold menu to boot apple OS |
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04:31:37 | Inc | yes but I want apple to boot default |
04:31:39 | Hotfusion | hmm default iaudio speakers clip at volume 20 (non-rockbox firm) |
04:32:59 | lostlogic | Inc: you'd hafta build your own rockbox bootloader with that setting changed. |
04:33:18 | Inc | someone had a patch somewhere I think I have it but don't know how to patch it |
04:33:18 | Shadowarrior13 | Is anyone in the ipl room TODAY? |
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04:33:26 | Inc | never is |
04:33:36 | Shadowarrior13 | I need someone to ask why I'm banned :P |
04:33:45 | Inc | any support for python? |
04:34:11 | lostlogic | ... python... wtf? |
04:34:15 | scorche | Inc: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
04:34:33 | scorche | lostlogic: <3 python....no bashing |
04:34:50 | lostlogic | I got nothing against python |
04:34:58 | lostlogic | but ... why asking in here about it... |
04:35:08 | Inc | because |
04:35:14 | Inc | i want to run python code on my ipod :) |
04:35:16 | scorche | Inc: note that sererokr is working on making more wads compatible....star wars is posted on there atm |
04:35:20 | Inc | and ipl has that capability |
04:35:30 | Inc | star wars is on what? |
04:35:37 | Inc | where? |
04:35:40 | Dyne | Is rockbox able to charge the iPod Nano? I plug my wall adaptor in and it just endlessly reboots |
04:35:40 | Inc | hell I'd install it for that. |
04:35:50 | scorche | Inc: go to the link i posted above |
04:36:22 | Shadowarrior13 | You all fail. |
04:36:25 | Galois | nano charging works fine via USB. Other people also have problems with wall adapters. |
04:36:31 | lostlogic | Inc: no, rockbox is an audio player firmware, there is no reason to run python on it, nor is there a version of python written to run without libc (whcih rockbox does not have) |
04:36:43 | Galois | I have no wall adapter, so I have no firsthand experience |
04:37:04 | Inc | nice @ the rockbox |
04:37:11 | scorche | Inc: what would you want to run on your ipod with python? |
04:37:22 | Inc | IF I code a game or something |
04:37:25 | Dyne | Galois: Yeah, I'm going on vacation sans laptop and was just wondering about the wall adapter...Guess I'll just reboot into AppleOS then |
04:37:37 | Inc | well one more thing um...... can I add wads later on? |
04:37:46 | Inc | and to patch shiz do I need to patch it now or later? |
04:37:53 | scorche | Inc: read the link i posted above... |
04:38:03 | Inc | ugh. |
04:38:08 | lostlogic | Inc: rockbox is all coded in C, so you could code a plugin game in C if you wanted to. |
04:39:04 | Inc | oh so it can be done later? |
04:39:16 | Inc | the um wads |
04:39:18 | scorche | Inc: there is also a tracker link below the table of contents there....read the comments if you are interested |
04:39:30 | Inc | ok |
04:39:39 | lostlogic | Inc: anything can be done later, it's not liek once you install rockbox you can't just upgrade at any time by copynig over a new version. |
04:39:46 | Inc | yeah. |
04:39:51 | Inc | well one problem. |
04:39:58 | Inc | I have some code to boot apple default |
04:39:59 | Inc | but |
04:40:09 | scorche | "some code"? |
04:40:10 | Inc | how do I patch it into the install or can that be done later? |
04:40:14 | Inc | yes |
04:41:02 | lostlogic | Inc: you would need to download the rockbox source, apply the patch, build a cross compiler toolchain for arm, build rockbox and install it |
04:41:22 | Inc | oooof I think I'll do that later. |
04:41:24 | lostlogic | if you do not understand what I just said, read the CrossCompilers page and uhh whatever else is about building rockbox on our wiki, and possibly about compiling C programs in general. |
04:41:30 | Inc | I'm to lazy to do compiling tonight |
04:41:49 | Inc | thanks for your help though |
04:41:53 | Inc | time to attempt the install |
04:44:23 | scorche | Inc: the wiki is your best friend....if you go to the documentation index in it, there is a section "For Developers" that has plenty of information |
04:44:31 | Inc | :) |
04:46:50 | Inc | now that I have everything done |
04:46:58 | Inc | I just unzip rockbox to my root directory? |
04:47:02 | Inc | this seems to easy.... |
04:47:21 | lostlogic | Inc: you already ripped, patched, and replaced the ipod firmware file? |
04:47:22 | Hotfusion | yes but before you proceed, you must donate all devs |
04:47:42 | Inc | lostlogic, yup I used the installer |
04:47:49 | lostlogic | we have one of those? |
04:47:51 | lostlogic | hmph. |
04:48:04 | lostlogic | in that case, yes, you just unzip rockbox. |
04:48:19 | Inc | ok |
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04:51:56 | Inc | lol.... |
04:51:57 | Inc | problem |
04:52:14 | lostlogic | ? |
04:52:34 | Inc | it ereased my defualt firmware stuff (which is fine) |
04:52:38 | Inc | but I can't get into rockbox lol |
04:52:47 | Inc | I hold down the menu key and all |
04:52:50 | lostlogic | no |
04:52:56 | lostlogic | _don't_ hold down the menu key |
04:52:59 | lostlogic | I said that already |
04:53:02 | Inc | I try to turn it off. too. |
04:53:05 | Inc | what did you say? |
04:53:15 | lostlogic | to go into rockbox, you boot up without holding menu. |
04:53:22 | lostlogic | to go into apple, you boot up holding menu |
04:53:25 | scorche | Inc: holding the menu key boots you into the ipod firmware |
04:53:36 | Inc | well I hold down the play / pause button. |
04:53:41 | Inc | to turn it off |
04:53:44 | Inc | and then it it again |
04:53:50 | lostlogic | it what? |
04:53:51 | Inc | and it just boots into default firmware |
04:53:59 | Inc | it's like it never turns off. |
04:54:07 | lostlogic | does the rockbox bootloader show up (white background and black text?) |
04:54:29 | lostlogic | holding play doesn't actually reboot the player, just hibernates it any way |
04:54:29 | Inc | eh no it just shows a black background with white apple |
04:54:35 | lostlogic | you must actually reboot the player |
04:54:42 | Inc | ok then how do you turn it off to actually reboot? |
04:54:45 | lostlogic | try holding menu and select to do a full reboot |
04:54:56 | lostlogic | see if the rockbox boot loader shows up, if not, then you didn't correctly patch the firmware |
04:55:44 | Inc | is it supposed to be booting the apple sign? |
04:55:49 | Inc | nope nothin. |
04:55:54 | Inc | this is odd..... |
04:55:55 | lostlogic | it will do that first, then rockbox bootloader, then rockbox |
04:56:14 | Inc | clear |
04:56:18 | Inc | nope |
04:56:23 | Inc | it brings up apple firmware. |
04:56:33 | lostlogic | then you need to review the installation instructions and make sure you actually patch the firmware |
04:56:41 | lostlogic | as I said, I've not heard of nor used this installer doohicker |
04:56:55 | Inc | http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=8585 |
04:56:58 | Inc | installer |
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04:57:30 | lostlogic | is that a rockbox.org site? Then don't expect us to know how it works, nor why you have problems with it. |
04:58:15 | Inc | heh. ok so you suggest I do it just by myself? |
04:58:56 | lostlogic | yes, I suggest that you read through the instructions on our wiki and follow them... you might even learn a little bit of something if you apply your brain to it. |
04:59:15 | * | scorche hugs lostlogic |
04:59:23 | * | lostlogic hugs scorche |
04:59:40 | lostlogic | *sigh* I'm _so_ not a tech support oriented person |
04:59:41 | scorche | it sounded like you needed a hug |
04:59:41 | Inc | yes. But I'm so busy otherstuff. I guess hahaha. oh welll |
04:59:46 | lostlogic | where's paul when we need him |
04:59:50 | scorche | lol |
04:59:53 | scorche | how true |
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05:00:24 | lostlogic | Inc: your patience is underwhelming. |
05:00:52 | Inc | lostlogic, :) |
05:01:08 | Inc | yes I do know that well I reunzipped to the root directory I shall give it another go I guess |
05:01:22 | lostlogic | Inc: just unzipping rockbox does not install the boot loader. |
05:01:31 | lostlogic | Inc: if you aren't seeing the bootloader, no amount of reunzipping will install rockbox. |
05:01:43 | Inc | I know that. I already ran the installer :) |
05:01:50 | Inc | the bootloader should be where? |
05:01:54 | * | scorche sighs |
05:01:59 | lostlogic | but you said the bootloader wasn't appearing during bootup, so it did not work |
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05:02:05 | lostlogic | so you need to follow the instructions on our wiki and install the bootloader |
05:02:09 | Inc | I see. |
05:02:10 | Inc | haha |
05:02:14 | Inc | will do ;) |
05:02:15 | lostlogic | which I've already said. |
05:02:34 | lostlogic | so scorche how are you this evening? |
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05:03:07 | scorche | hungry |
05:03:48 | lostlogic | mm... good point... I missed dinner... oh well, too late to care. |
05:03:57 | Inc | oh this doesn't look good |
05:04:04 | scorche | Inc: ? |
05:04:09 | Inc | it shows apple.com/support/ipod |
05:04:23 | Inc | I probably toasted the firmware |
05:04:42 | Inc | any idea? |
05:05:00 | scorche | Inc: did you read the disclaimer on the site you linked to us? =P |
05:05:16 | Hotfusion | those damn disclaimers |
05:05:17 | Hotfusion | lol |
05:05:36 | Inc | scorche, yeah I realized that now it's time probsably to restore the firmware right? |
05:06:14 | scorche | well, like it says....it is an unofficial installer....use at your own risk....but they need to include something about dont go to rockbox asking for help +P |
05:06:53 | scorche | Inc: bug lostlogic for help.....he needs more experience +P |
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05:07:25 | Inc | heh |
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05:08:06 | scorche | Inc: in truth, i do not know as much as i would like.....my only personal experience with rockbox is on the archos units |
05:08:15 | Inc | I see. |
05:08:20 | * | Inc pokes lostlogic |
05:08:27 | scorche | i know some about the ipod side of it, but not near what others do |
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05:08:33 | * | Inc stresses |
05:09:02 | scorche | Inc: and having patience makes us more willing to help you =) |
05:09:57 | Inc | yeah I know. |
05:10:07 | lostlogic | Inc: recommend restoring apple firmware with the apple firmware restore utility, and then starting again from scratch. |
05:10:22 | Inc | ok |
05:10:24 | lostlogic | Inc: I've not installed rockbox from windows ever, so I'm not much use on the "how do I install the bootloader from windows" part of the program. |
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05:10:47 | Inc | lostlogic, but my ipods not toast right? |
05:11:21 | Hotfusion | do the restore and report back |
05:11:57 | Inc | ok |
05:12:03 | scorche | lostlogic: i like how youdeviated from the typical trout |
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05:12:14 | lostlogic | scorche: :) |
05:12:15 | scorche | but salmon are a bit boring |
05:12:21 | lostlogic | Inc: ipod not toast. |
05:12:27 | lostlogic | scorche: it was that or a swordfish. |
05:12:33 | scorche | ow.... |
05:12:36 | Inc | lostlogic, good |
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05:18:24 | Inc | ok back. |
05:20:08 | lostlogic | how's the patient? |
05:20:23 | Inc | crappy |
05:20:29 | lostlogic | apple restore didn't work? |
05:20:40 | Inc | no it just finished but I had to update |
05:20:44 | Inc | or something or other |
05:21:03 | lostlogic | and that makes the patient crappy? sounds fine in a general sort of way |
05:21:18 | Inc | because I'm a negative person :). |
05:21:41 | Inc | in other news. Can I run this install while I'm updateing firmware? |
05:21:50 | lostlogic | no |
05:22:03 | Inc | damn |
05:22:23 | Inc | well I guess I "could" compile right now if I wanted. |
05:22:24 | lostlogic | the firmware must be updated, and in good condition, then you must copy the apple firmware off to your computer, then you must patch rockbox bootloader into it, then you must copy it back to the player. The instructions for thsi are on the wiki *tries to find* |
05:23:38 | Inc | heh |
05:24:53 | scorche | lostlogic: let the man find the instructions in the wiki on his own |
05:25:12 | lostlogic | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
05:25:21 | lostlogic | considering it's the wiki page fucking called "IpodInstallation" I should have. |
05:25:30 | scorche | like isaid... |
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05:27:02 | Galois | more people would be able to find it if it were called iPodInstallation |
05:27:15 | * | Galois runs away to the gym |
05:27:21 | scorche | gym???? |
05:27:28 | scorche | you are on the internet!!! |
05:27:34 | scorche | come on man..i expect better |
05:27:51 | Galois | the gym doesn't even have cell signals, let alone wifi |
05:27:54 | Inc | wow how long does it take |
05:28:00 | Inc | to update the stupid firmware |
05:28:18 | lostlogic | then don't go there. |
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05:30:20 | Inc | I don't get why apple doesn't update their firmware very often.... |
05:31:01 | scorche | cause they have to gothrough a ton of checks and test for bugs before they send it out |
05:31:39 | Inc | I guess. |
05:32:07 | Inc | I wish I had someone I knew who was in on the firmware to get betas all I know is an itunes guy haha |
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05:34:27 | Inc | bbl thanks for the help |
05:38:05 | Hotfusion | just think if it was microsoft, you'd have a new firmware everyday. albeit not the most stable, may crash alot but no firmware waiting |
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06:03:44 | lostlogic | any swcodec users who want to test selecting a new file / dir to play while audio is playing should do so. |
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06:08:47 | Dyne | Heh, Full speed iBoy on a nano? Not quite yet, right? |
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06:10:59 | jnc | is greyscale iPod supported? |
06:11:22 | scott666 | the 4Gs are, AFAIK |
06:11:26 | lostlogic | jnc: 4g, and mini |
06:11:30 | jnc | the one with touch wheel, and separate buttons for |<-, |> ||, |_|, ->| |
06:11:41 | scott666 | i think thats 3 |
06:11:42 | lostlogic | which I dont' think is what youa re describing |
06:12:41 | jnc | hmm |
06:13:49 | jnc | the iPod i speak of, has red/orange-ish glowing buttons, monochrome lcd screen, 10G capacity, there's prev, play, menu, next buttons |
06:14:02 | jnc | then there's an unmarked button in the center of the touch wheel |
06:14:19 | lostlogic | jnc: look it up on our device chart, or on ipl's generations wiki page. |
06:14:23 | lostlogic | I believe that's 3g |
06:14:27 | jnc | okay |
06:15:44 | jnc | it does look like 3g |
06:15:47 | jnc | good guess! |
06:16:01 | lostlogic | hmph, we do do CVS builds for it |
06:16:06 | lostlogic | but I'm unsure if they run or what. |
06:16:37 | lostlogic | and now I sleep. |
06:17:07 | jnc | thanks |
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06:21:41 | lostlogic | fuck. after I commit and the daily build runs, then I realize it's broken. |
06:22:40 | scott666 | ill make sure not to get tomorrow's daily then |
06:22:42 | scott666 | heh |
06:22:53 | scott666 | (today's?) |
06:23:15 | lostlogic | today in 38m's |
06:23:22 | scott666 | yeah |
06:23:35 | jnc | what *is* up with the 3gs |
06:24:14 | scott666 | port to the iPod 3G is in progress but is not yet functional. |
06:24:18 | jnc | http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipod3g/ |
06:24:20 | jnc | oh okay |
06:24:26 | lostlogic | and no devs actualy own them. |
06:24:32 | jnc | want a donation? |
06:24:40 | lostlogic | jnc: of a 3g ipod? |
06:24:42 | jnc | yeah |
06:24:46 | jnc | i can arrange it probably |
06:24:53 | lostlogic | mention it when the europeans are conscious tomorrow :) |
06:24:57 | jnc | okay |
06:25:29 | jnc | what's a rockbox supported player that'd be easy for an old man to use? |
06:25:43 | scott666 | a new ipod? |
06:25:48 | jnc | okay |
06:25:54 | jnc | something like a video iPod yeah? |
06:26:10 | scott666 | i believe they're also the only ones that you can actually go out and buy in a store |
06:26:24 | scott666 | but I could be wrong about that |
06:26:36 | jnc | my grandfather's got a 3g, i could get him something nicer and take the 3g for a donation to y'all |
06:27:30 | scott666 | out of curiosity, why is your grandfather interested in rockbox? |
06:29:04 | jnc | he's mostly interested in Linux |
06:29:18 | jnc | but like, still having to dual boot for that iTunes stuff |
06:29:31 | jnc | gtkpod isn't exactly user friendly |
06:29:34 | scott666 | have you looked into ipodlinux? |
06:29:49 | jnc | briefly. not really wanting to run linux on an ipod |
06:29:54 | jnc | just listen to music. |
06:29:55 | lostlogic | rockbox has selectable fonts... good for old eyes :-D |
06:30:10 | lostlogic | that's why my mother wants to switch her H120 to rockbox once 3.0 comes out |
06:30:12 | jnc | lostlogic: yeah! i hoped that would be a win :) |
06:31:04 | jnc | making fonts huge in Ubuntu dapper was super easy. doing the same in windows xp was an exercise in rebooting 4 times, and patching internet explorer for a font security hole |
06:32:00 | lostlogic | ok, now for sleep... for real, I hope. |
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06:32:32 | jnc | scott666: i own a pair of Zaurus units |
06:32:43 | scott666 | who? |
06:32:46 | jnc | linux on embedded device is fairly well covered |
06:33:07 | jnc | scott666: i have an Sharp Zaurus C3000, and an Sharp Zaurus C3100 |
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06:33:27 | scott666 | ahh, those are the linux PDAs, right? |
06:34:55 | bleaked | question, on the original ipod firmware whenever the headphone jack would leave the device, the music would pause. and whenever the device was paused for a few minutes, the device would shut off. i _love_ these features. are they possible in rockbox? |
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06:35:50 | scott666 | currently? |
06:35:59 | scott666 | or 'possible to implement' |
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06:36:29 | bleaked | well, i guess i would be interested in both answers |
06:36:36 | bleaked | (or whatever you wan t to answer) |
06:37:35 | jnc | is $280usd the best price you folks know about, for iPod 30g video |
06:38:02 | scott666 | unless you work for apple |
06:38:04 | scorche | sounds about right |
06:38:30 | scorche | i think i can get em for cheaper, but thenagain, that is a corporate thing |
06:38:34 | scott666 | bleaked: i just got my ipod/rockbox the other day, so im not the most knowledgable on the ipod features |
06:38:45 | scott666 | but i belleve the answers are 'no' and 'yes' |
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06:39:22 | bleaked | i find it odd that rockbox will not automatically shut off the device after a certain period of time.. |
06:39:32 | bleaked | seems like a pretty standard power management feature |
06:39:59 | bleaked | i could understand the fancy headphone pause feature not being available though.. |
06:40:01 | scorche | it should be able to |
06:40:02 | scott666 | theres an adjustable Idle Poweroff feature |
06:40:06 | scott666 | default is 10m |
06:40:13 | scorche | there ya go |
06:40:15 | bleaked | ok |
06:40:23 | bleaked | i'll scour the menus again |
06:40:26 | scorche | (i set mine to 1 min) |
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06:41:16 | scott666 | general settings > system |
06:41:44 | scott666 | anyone know how much mAh the ipod battery has? |
06:41:55 | scott666 | or does that setting not even apply to non-archos players |
06:42:19 | scorche | scott666: which ipod? |
06:42:20 | jnc | i saw a menu for it |
06:42:30 | jnc | on the video ipod there was a menu item for checking capacity |
06:42:48 | scott666 | is there? ill look for it |
06:45:35 | jnc | the rockbox default menu is a nightmare to navigate, btw. |
06:45:44 | jnc | not that i have any clue how to make it easier |
06:45:56 | jnc | it's functional, barely ;) |
06:46:13 | scott666 | i wrote up a complete re-sorting of it a few years ago |
06:46:14 | scott666 | heh |
06:47:05 | scott666 | Recent Bookmakrs shouldnt be taking up space if Bookmarks aren't even enabled |
06:47:24 | jnc | ah |
06:47:54 | jnc | my little sister was stabbing her iPod out of frustration with the rockbox menuing system |
06:48:05 | jnc | that was a bit scary to witness |
06:48:31 | scott666 | i used to have an archos FMR (well, i say 'used to'. I still have it, the headphone jack doesn't work though, so it's rather useless as a DAP) |
06:48:36 | jnc | hey, no Neuros support? ;) |
06:48:54 | infamis | does anyone know where logging info is output to? |
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06:49:07 | jnc | infamis: serial port i.e. remote control |
06:49:14 | infamis | damn |
06:49:25 | Jungti1234 | hello |
06:49:56 | infamis | jnc: this is for logf's, right? |
06:50:43 | jnc | infamis: i'm repeating (vaugely) information i overheard in IRC channel two days ago |
06:50:57 | jnc | /i/ don't actually know anything about it :/ |
06:51:14 | infamis | oh, ok, I'll try browsing through the irc logs |
06:51:52 | scott666 | have you looked around on your disk? |
06:52:02 | scott666 | i cant imagine thered be too many places it could hide |
06:53:22 | Jungti1234 | http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/dft/ |
06:53:57 | infamis | scot666: logf goes to a file? |
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06:54:39 | scott666 | generally when something gets logged it gets written to the disk..no? |
06:55:21 | infamis | maybe... |
06:56:34 | infamis | rockbox-20060408.txt: 12.04.27 # <amiconn> logf() to disk wouldn't make much sense |
06:56:49 | infamis | Disk accesses would happen so frequently that they would disturb normal operation |
06:56:55 | infamis | quote amiconn |
06:57:43 | scott666 | fair enough |
06:57:49 | scott666 | i have no idea what logf is |
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07:15:00 | Hotfusion | I should play oblivion but I can't put my player down |
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07:15:12 | Hotfusion | I've been infeccted lol |
07:16:47 | scott666 | doom > oblivion |
07:16:52 | Hotfusion | lol |
07:16:53 | scott666 | heh |
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08:03:38 | mc_365 | Hello everyone |
08:03:53 | infamis | I guess the razr is the next platform for rb :) |
08:04:20 | infamis | or cell phones in general |
08:05:37 | mc_365 | I just bought a 5G 30gb Vid Ipod semi used for 250 |
08:05:43 | mc_365 | really brandnew was about 4 days old from the reciept |
08:05:53 | mc_365 | bought cuase of rockbox |
08:06:04 | mc_365 | must say it's very good |
08:06:19 | mc_365 | compile my first binary today |
08:06:39 | infamis | glad you like it (like I had anything to do with the development of it...lol) |
08:07:39 | mc_365 | well those who choose to utilize it give developers more incentive to be creative |
08:08:51 | mc_365 | any other Ipoders here? |
08:10:33 | infamis | nope |
08:11:12 | * | infamis gives them a chance to refute his claim |
08:13:23 | mc_365 | I guess the IRC channel is for the hard core rockboxers the archos and iriver guys huh |
08:16:15 | * | bleaked is a happy rockbox nano user |
08:16:31 | Bagder | mc_365: not really |
08:16:37 | Bagder | just a bit calm at times |
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08:17:43 | mc_365 | I guess it is a little late or early depending on where your located |
08:17:53 | * | infamis is x5-in it |
08:18:31 | * | scorche is archos-in it |
08:19:15 | mc_365 | I was thinking about an x5l for the battery life and sound but then I chose the ipog cuase of the screen and accessories |
08:20:44 | LinusN | what accessories? |
08:21:56 | mc_365 | Well they don't currently work with rockbox but ipod has the widest range of accessories and one day they may work with rockbox or rockboxs successor |
08:23:05 | Galois | mc_365, there's no need to worry, the ipod is a safe choice |
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08:26:13 | LinusN | mc_365: yes, but what accessories are you referring to? |
08:26:13 | mc_365 | well apple did screw me with the itunesdb |
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08:27:11 | mc_365 | all of them. in general the vast availability from many third party manufacturers in retail stores |
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08:27:59 | mc_365 | speaker docks, car mounts, remotes, GPS |
08:28:36 | mc_365 | they even have an ipod vibrator if thats your thing |
08:28:36 | Galois | fancy leather cases... |
08:28:50 | infamis | imo, generic accessories but with the name iPod on it somewhere |
08:29:01 | Galois | thus raising the price to $99 from $29 |
08:29:03 | infamis | and overpriced |
08:29:27 | infamis | yup |
08:29:37 | Galois | the ipod nano is the one non-overpriced ipod |
08:29:47 | LinusN | mc_365: x5 has a remote |
08:30:01 | LinusN | and the fm radio is builtin |
08:30:08 | mc_365 | vs no accessories accept from the manufacturer who charges you a arm and a leg and you have to pay first and wait for it to come mail order |
08:30:13 | amiconn | good morning |
08:30:23 | * | LinusN googles for ipod and gps |
08:30:34 | Vladoman | moin |
08:30:45 | Vladoman | gcc gefixt? |
08:30:47 | infamis | moinin |
08:31:05 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: moin :) |
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08:31:45 | amiconn | Vladoman: I have a patch for the jumptable bug for both 3.3.6 and 3.4.6. I still don't have an idea where running a 3.4.6 -Os build goes banana |
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08:32:30 | amiconn | LinusN: Regarding your power measurements - were there any scrolling lines displayed? |
08:32:33 | infamis | _FireFly_: lol...sounded right & at the right time... |
08:32:41 | LinusN | amiconn: yes |
08:32:46 | Vladoman | I remember we had to fix the gcc a couple of times when we did the OSCAR, but that was in '98 with something gcc 2.0 |
08:32:49 | _FireFly_ | infamis: ? |
08:32:50 | amiconn | hmm, badness |
08:32:57 | LinusN | amiconn: why? |
08:33:22 | infamis | _FireFly_: I mess be missing something so I'll drop it... |
08:33:33 | infamis | I *must* |
08:33:49 | LinusN | amiconn: i tested with idle screens too, and it didn't make any difference |
08:34:00 | amiconn | Oh, also on H300? |
08:34:11 | LinusN | yes |
08:34:16 | * | amiconn suspected scrolling text to draw quite some power on H300 |
08:34:40 | amiconn | The mono bitmap drawing is still dead slow... |
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08:35:16 | LinusN | this could indicate one of two things: |
08:35:22 | LinusN | 1) it never sleeps |
08:35:28 | LinusN | 2) lcd access is cheap |
08:36:00 | LinusN | or rather both |
08:36:07 | amiconn | Yeah, but when bitmap drawing is slow, it should cause more boost when scrolling |
08:36:17 | amiconn | hmm |
08:36:44 | LinusN | i can clearly see on the amp meter when it boosts |
08:36:44 | amiconn | Anyway, I have the suspicion that we're doing something wrong on all irivers, not just H300 |
08:37:06 | amiconn | okay |
08:37:29 | LinusN | so all the scrolling could do is prevent it from executing SLEEP |
08:38:03 | LinusN | and make it boost sooner |
08:38:21 | LinusN | but the 125mA is measured when unboosted |
08:38:57 | amiconn | My theory: you measured idle power draw on H1x0 at 45MHz (70mA) and 112MHz (100mA). Assuming a linear increase like freescale states for the coldfire, this means 0.447 mA/MHz |
08:39:22 | amiconn | ..or about 50mA at (hypothetic) 0MHz |
08:39:52 | amiconn | But then you measured 55mA for mp3 playback in retailos |
08:40:32 | amiconn | That would mean the coldfire runs at 11MHz when playing mp3 if my theory is correct... |
08:41:23 | amiconn | but I remember some (vague) quotes that the motorola codec needs >~20MHz for realtime operation |
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08:42:13 | amiconn | LinusN: Could you measure current draw at 11MHz as well, preferably on both targets? |
08:42:21 | LinusN | sure |
08:42:31 | amiconn | It would be a verification of the linearity |
08:42:50 | LinusN | 112mhz? |
08:43:27 | amiconn | My prediction for H1x0: 65mA |
08:43:41 | amiconn | Err, 55mA |
08:43:51 | LinusN | can't do that until i get home |
08:44:27 | LinusN | 124-45=79 |
08:44:49 | LinusN | 30mA difference between 45 and 124mhz |
08:45:04 | LinusN | 30/79=0.379mA per mhz, right? |
08:45:10 | amiconn | yes |
08:45:27 | * | amiconn wonders why he used 112... |
08:45:29 | LinusN | you said .447 |
08:46:15 | Jungti1234 | hey |
08:46:38 | amiconn | For some reason I calculated with 112MHz being the max frequency... |
08:46:38 | LinusN | my calculations show roughly 20mhz |
08:47:47 | amiconn | (hypothetic) 0MHz in rockbox would then draw 53mA, 11MHz should draw 57mA |
08:47:59 | Jungti1234 | Rockbox does shut off power if charge ends? |
08:48:21 | Jungti1234 | power -> current |
08:48:21 | amiconn | LinusN: How do you calculate that? I get ~5MHz now... |
08:48:38 | LinusN | hmmm |
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08:50:14 | Jungti1234 | Answer? |
08:50:34 | LinusN | no |
08:50:59 | LinusN | that is handled by the hardware |
08:52:00 | Jungti1234 | But, even if charge of Rockbox ends, continuation 'charging' image seem. |
08:52:01 | amiconn | Another interesting test would be measuring current draw at the same frequency but different cpu states |
08:52:44 | amiconn | Disable interrupts, and then (1) go to sleep (2) busy loop in iram/cache (3) acessing dram all the time |
08:52:50 | LinusN | i remember i did that once |
08:53:20 | LinusN | i can't remember huw much that saved, but i believe it was in the range of 10mA or something |
08:53:37 | LinusN | i mean (1) |
08:53:54 | amiconn | the difference between (2) and (3) should tell us how much it costs to access the dram |
08:54:43 | LinusN | Jungti1234: how do you know that the charging has ended? |
08:54:59 | LinusN | amiconn: yup, that would be interesting |
08:55:02 | amiconn | Maybe the iriver savings are caused by less dram access |
08:55:27 | amiconn | (3) could be done by just repeatedly memset()ing the main buffer |
08:55:35 | LinusN | from what i have heard, the iriver pcm buffer is in iram |
08:55:37 | Jungti1234 | LinusN: Saw in original firmware. |
08:56:10 | LinusN | ok |
08:56:34 | LinusN | Jungti1234: i'm not sure we detect end-of-charge correctly on the h300 |
08:57:07 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
08:57:18 | Jungti1234 | Then, is it Rockbox's problem? |
08:58:29 | LinusN | most likely |
08:58:47 | amiconn | LinusN: we do |
08:58:53 | amiconn | It's working here |
08:58:57 | Jungti1234 | ok |
08:59:38 | Jungti1234 | hey LinusN |
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09:00:05 | Jungti1234 | Then, is current cut? |
09:00:05 | amiconn | LinusN: All 3 measurements would be interesting at the various cpu frequencies, and for me a 4th measurement would be interesting on H1x0: (4) like (1), but additionally disabling dram refresh |
09:00:29 | LinusN | i see |
09:00:42 | LinusN | amiconn: prepare a table in wiki, and i'll fill it in |
09:00:53 | amiconn | ok |
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09:07:48 | Jungti1234 | LinusN? |
09:08:09 | LinusN | yes? |
09:08:39 | LinusN | Jungti1234: i deliberately did not reply to your "hey LinusN" earlier |
09:08:52 | Jungti1234 | ? |
09:08:52 | LinusN | if you want something, say it |
09:09:04 | petur | hm |
09:09:18 | LinusN | ah, i now see what i missed |
09:09:30 | LinusN | rockbox can't cut the current |
09:09:30 | Jungti1234 | If charge ends in iriver firmware, does Rockbox prevent current automatically? |
09:09:34 | Jungti1234 | haha... |
09:09:45 | LinusN | as i said, it is done by the hardware |
09:09:50 | Jungti1234 | Does it eat continuation electricity? |
09:10:25 | LinusN | as long as the player is on, it will consume battery power |
09:10:37 | Jungti1234 | ....:'( |
09:11:03 | LinusN | and the charging circuit will keep the battery full, with a small current |
09:13:50 | HuntermicAtwork | Any news on the IAudio M5? |
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09:14:22 | Bagder | HuntermicAtwork: not since that chat on the dev list |
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09:16:53 | HuntermicAtwork | Any special reason the development hasn't started for the M5, is there still missing information, or is there just no developer interested? |
09:17:19 | Bagder | there's no one with an M5 that has stepped up to do it |
09:17:38 | HuntermicAtwork | ok, i understand |
09:19:07 | LinusN | it's hard to port rockbox to a player that you don't have |
09:20:11 | Bagder | and if there's *no one* with an M5 interested to do development it is next to pointless anyway |
09:20:52 | amiconn | LinusN: Do you know whether the iriver firmware updates the lcd (framebuffer?) if the backlight is off? |
09:20:54 | HuntermicAtwork | yes, i totally understand, unfortunately i can only write c# and java, not c++ or c, so i'm afraid i can't be of any help |
09:21:07 | LinusN | amiconn: i have no idea |
09:21:14 | scorche | c# and java... |
09:21:29 | scorche | you scare me |
09:21:35 | HuntermicAtwork | why? |
09:22:33 | petur | one day garbage collection will come along and take java, c#,... with it :D |
09:22:43 | HuntermicAtwork | i do understand c++ and c, i can even write it, but i never did program in it |
09:22:49 | scorche | petur: we can only hope |
09:23:00 | HuntermicAtwork | true, the garbage collection shit sucks |
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09:24:35 | amiconn | Hrmph.... now if it really is the dram access... rockbox' framebuffer is in dram on H300, but in iram on H1x0... |
09:25:05 | _FireFly_ | due the color support of the h300 i think |
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09:27:39 | LinusN | amiconn: no it isn't |
09:28:18 | LinusN | last time i measured the current, i froze the cpu in a sleep insctruction and it still ate a lot of current |
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09:28:57 | linuxstb | Morning all. Just thought I would mention that the nice guy at http://www.audiolineout.com (a one-man shop selling line-out adapters for ipods aimed at headphone-amp users) is building and donating a line-in adapter so I can try and get line-in recording working for ipods in Rockbox. |
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09:29:19 | Bagder | cool |
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09:33:31 | pondlife | Question - anybody know the difference between Crossfade options "Always" and "Track Skip Only"? |
09:34:02 | pondlife | With crossfade set to "Track Skip Only", I'd think that should crossfade on next, but not if another track is selected in the browser. |
09:34:22 | scorche | not sure if you guys saw this, but now that you euros are awake, someone came in and mentioned http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=8585 |
09:34:35 | midkay_ | pondlife, that means that whenever the track is changed manually then fade is enabled. |
09:34:36 | ashridah | pondlife: trackskip should be when you explicitly skip a track |
09:34:56 | pondlife | OK, so Always would be for natural track changes too. |
09:34:58 | pondlife | Gotcha |
09:34:59 | midkay_ | normal, gapless playback will occur as long as you aren't skipping, whether it's next/last or from the playlist viewer, or the browser. |
09:35:03 | midkay_ | right. |
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09:36:06 | pondlife | I'm very impressed with lostlogic's latest work |
09:36:27 | pondlife | Quite hard to break now |
09:36:49 | amiconn | LinusN: If it's not the dram, what else could we be doing wrong? |
09:37:21 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, I checked the coldfire datasheet, and we do have 4 dma channels available, not just 2 |
09:37:57 | midkay_ | hm, i wonder if that would be better changed to like 'Track Change Only'. or 'Manual Track Change Only'. |
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09:38:30 | amiconn | Only 2 are connected to the audio interfaces |
09:38:47 | amiconn | ...but this makes ATA DMA feasible |
09:39:04 | amiconn | Only special case is the non-dma-capable iram block |
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09:54:20 | midkay | hm, testing the new libmad patches on my 5G iPod. slowly but surely getting better :) |
09:54:50 | midkay | must be like 110% realtime-ish with EQ on for me now.. sitting in a nonupdating menu. |
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10:04:46 | crashd | midkay: are they Toni's patches? |
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10:06:07 | voltagex | hi people |
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10:08:00 | Jungti1234 | hi voltagex |
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10:27:28 | Bg3r | LinusN, Bagder |
10:27:30 | Jungti1234 | :) |
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10:30:57 | markun | amiconn: the gigabeat's backlight can be dimmed in 64 steps, that's not enought for fading, is it? |
10:31:36 | LinusN | sounds enough to me |
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10:34:08 | markun | I'll try to run my first test code on the gigabeat tomorrow |
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11:39:06 | amiconn | markun: I think it's enough for fading. We use 100 steps in the H1x0 and ipod software pwm |
11:39:35 | amiconn | H300 doesn't have enough steps (16, effectively only 15) |
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12:06:16 | tucoz | bluebrother, around? |
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12:11:51 | tucoz | bluebrother, I am looking at the float placements. I think I have come up with a better solution than the current one. |
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12:12:29 | tucoz | I almost all of the cases, the figures and in text tables are placed where they should be. |
12:12:37 | tucoz | *In |
12:15:32 | tucoz | We could also use the same solution for the key map-tables |
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13:16:04 | tucoz | bluebrother, I commited the change. Please revert it if you don't like it. |
13:16:20 | luckz | 1) I would appreciate rockbox playing .cue file entries in a .m3u playlist properly |
13:16:23 | preglow | can't see why |
13:16:34 | preglow | luckz: i bet you would |
13:17:02 | luckz | 2) I would further appreciate support for filenames used in european languages (things like umlauts) - right now, it just tells me that the files can't be found. again .m3u playlist. |
13:17:24 | preglow | that's a codepage issue |
13:17:27 | tucoz | preglow, was that for me? |
13:17:38 | preglow | tucoz: yes, i think the change sounds pretty logical |
13:18:04 | preglow | luckz: 1) .cue support isn't straight forward, but will probably happen at some time in the future when someone comes by and codes it |
13:18:24 | preglow | luckz: 2) that's probably a codepage issue. rockbox might think your m3u files are utf-8 encoded |
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13:18:35 | tucoz | preglow, me too. But I have been away for some time, so I don't want to break anything. :) |
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13:22:22 | bluebrother | tucoz: hi |
13:22:34 | bluebrother | just came back |
13:22:55 | tucoz | hello |
13:24:22 | bluebrother | problem with your change: as far as I know the placement modifier that way doesn't allow other placements which could result in placing the floats at the end of the chapter if there isn't enough space left. |
13:24:57 | bluebrother | I'm quite busy the last days but I'll look into it later. Maybe there is a modifier I didn't know ;-) |
13:25:29 | tucoz | bluebrother, I know. But we could force that by using \topfraction etc |
13:25:48 | bluebrother | hmm. May be worth playing with it a bit more. |
13:26:05 | tucoz | Yes. The h120 manual looks better now anyway |
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13:26:24 | bluebrother | I was also thinking if we should change the writing style a bit and stop writing like "see the table below" |
13:26:47 | tucoz | and refer to see \ref{tab:blabla} instead? |
13:26:53 | bluebrother | instead don't mention the table at all, give a good caption and let the user find it himself. |
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13:27:36 | bluebrother | maybe also the "refer to table \ref{foo} but as far as I read the manual I think the most cases it's mostly clearly without. |
13:28:18 | tucoz | I agree. I think by placing the tables where they should be, we do not have to refer to tables that way |
13:28:38 | tucoz | Only when referring to a table from another section |
13:28:55 | tucoz | but then we probably should refer to the section instad |
13:29:29 | tucoz | like, see \ref{sec:foo} for more information on foo |
13:30:05 | bluebrother | we also have mostly \pageref while I personally prefer referring to sections. |
13:30:37 | tucoz | me too. That is from the 2.4 doc |
13:31:02 | bluebrother | two more points I'm currently working at: |
13:31:33 | bluebrother | \setting to mark all settings. ATM this uses simply \textsc which looks pretty good imho |
13:32:19 | tucoz | what is \textsc? |
13:32:22 | bluebrother | also I started to generate a table with all devices for the appendix, but I will mostly suppone this after 3.0 |
13:32:25 | bluebrother | small caps. |
13:32:42 | tucoz | ok. Instead of verbatim? |
13:33:09 | bluebrother | I used it in the tagcache section for now. |
13:33:24 | tucoz | is it in cvs? |
13:33:39 | bluebrother | like: "you need to go to \setting{General $\rightarrow$ Disk ...} |
13:33:43 | bluebrother | not now. |
13:34:06 | bluebrother | "when set to \settion{Yes} this setting does foo ..." |
13:34:10 | tucoz | ah, cool. That sounds good. |
13:34:52 | bluebrother | as we have sometimes YES, sometimes "YES", sometimes "Yes", sometimes \epmh{Yes} ... |
13:34:59 | tucoz | Do you think we should make a tree of the menus? |
13:35:09 | bluebrother | and I really like small caps for settings. |
13:35:21 | bluebrother | hmm. Maybe a good idea. |
13:40:46 | bluebrother | I'm only unsure how to do this a good way. |
13:40:46 | bluebrother | perhaps a customized description environment? |
13:40:46 | tucoz | hmm. small caps perhaps :) |
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13:40:46 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
13:40:46 | tucoz | hmm. I think I'll try some ideas for a tree like that. I'll see if I get some time later on. |
13:40:46 | tucoz | see you later |
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13:40:46 | bluebrother | I think I'll commit the \setting later. But as I'm not at home it'll last some time. |
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13:40:46 | tucoz | regarding the float placement. We could possibly use the nonfloat package as well. |
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13:40:46 | bluebrother | good point. |
13:40:46 | tucoz | sure. I'll be more around from now :) Been pretty busy with the newborn lately. |
13:40:46 | Bagder | yeah, teaching them rockbox code can be tedious ;-P |
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13:40:46 | tucoz | tell me about it. |
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13:41:23 | julius | hi everyone |
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13:42:26 | Genre9mp3 | The Golden Quotes section in the wiki becomes bigger and bigger!... :-) |
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13:43:40 | julius | i just found out that iTrip ldc with dock is not working with rockbox, can we do something about it? I would be happy to try to code it somehow, but where should I look for help? manuals? tips? tricks? and so on :) |
13:44:24 | Genre9mp3 | Now think about the .wma support for rockbox and just imagine the ultimate combination....iPods playing .wma!!! lol |
13:44:25 | ashridah | the wiki on www.rockbox.org contains a fairly large amount of developer references |
13:45:22 | petur | julius: you have chosen the right platform as your player, namely the one 'without documentation' |
13:46:14 | Bagder | julius: fire up your objdump and go dissassembling! ;-) |
13:46:20 | ravon | Is doxygen (or an equivalence) used? Haven't checked. |
13:46:24 | preglow | yes, objdump for disassembling the firmware |
13:46:29 | preglow | that won't be an arduous task at all |
13:46:32 | Bagder | nooo |
13:46:34 | Bagder | ;-) |
13:46:53 | Bagder | weaker persons could use IDA |
13:47:08 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
13:47:08 | * | Bagder hides |
13:47:12 | * | petur points to Linus :P |
13:48:47 | petur | wasn't there some site with the decoding of the ipod accessory stuff? |
13:48:58 | julius | petur, Bagder, ravon, preglow, thanks for the asnwers, so lets start :) first of all I think the sound is send to the itrip if you turn on the car adapter mode, so the only thing remaining (if i'm not wrong) is to somehow give power to the itrip, do I see the things right? |
13:49:21 | preglow | *shrug* |
13:49:26 | preglow | i don't even know what an itrip is, heh |
13:49:46 | * | Bagder is clueless about the iPod accessory stuff |
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13:50:51 | julius | preglow, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITrip |
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13:51:19 | julius | I try to use this one: iTrip with Dock Connector |
13:52:12 | julius | so if I try the objdump method, what is that I should look for? |
13:52:54 | Bagder | you should be prepare for a long journey if you take that road |
13:52:59 | ravon | julius: I didn't help though :( |
13:53:02 | ravon | I'm innocent. |
13:53:35 | Bagder | and you better read up on ARM asm first |
13:53:38 | petur | http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol |
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13:55:52 | julius | Bagder, is there a shorter way? :) btw: I'm not a big hacker, back in 90-95 I cracked a lot of programs by disassembling them, but since than a lot has changed, so I just think that it is somehow possible and you know the saying. Who tries wins :) |
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13:56:54 | Bagder | I honestly don't know. Read up on what is currently known and available. The rest is research left to do and it can only be done in a few different ways, one of them being dissassembly |
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13:58:11 | julius | Bagder, sure, but could you please point me somehow to a place where I could start my journey? |
13:58:29 | Bagder | http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol ? |
13:58:48 | julius | aaa, ok, thanks a lot! |
13:58:52 | Bagder | I'm not an ipodder myself, I don't know much about these things |
13:59:05 | petur | euh.. echo? |
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14:01:49 | Bagder | /echo off |
14:02:18 | petur | or for dos freaks: @echo off |
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14:07:27 | lostlogic | preglow: how's the select new file behavior? |
14:08:18 | preglow | ah, haven't tried yet |
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14:08:40 | preglow | stuck on other work |
14:08:42 | XavierGr | let's say I want to include math.h to a main file in a subfolder of plugins, what should I type? #indlude <firmware/include/math.h> ? |
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14:10:39 | lostlogic | It's implemented as kinda an abuse of track change, but that makes it nice and smooth. Just hope I did it properly so as not to break other things. |
14:11:17 | preglow | lostlogic: i'll try it in a couple of hours. if i check it out now, i'll just end up coding rockbox the rest of the day, i know it |
14:11:32 | lostlogic | preglow: understood. |
14:11:38 | * | lostlogic goes to do paid work now as well |
14:11:44 | pondlife | lostlogic: Did you see the track skipping problem on the wiki..? |
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14:12:54 | lostlogic | pondlife: not until just now. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
14:12:59 | lostlogic | pondlife: si that new today? |
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14:16:28 | pondlife | Yep |
14:16:39 | luckz | 13:18:27 < preglow> luckz: 2) that's probably a codepage issue. rockbox might think your m3u files are utf-8 encoded <- any idea how one could fix that? |
14:16:52 | luckz | fpl and m3u8 are not supported, are they? |
14:17:01 | pondlife | It's not crossfade related, you'll be pleased to know |
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14:17:17 | pondlife | i.e. it happens without crossfade or voice, although I probably had beep enabled. |
14:18:22 | lostlogic | pondlife: I did tweak next track handling to deal with selecting new files from the browser, so it makes sense. Not sure why it would get stuck like that though... wait... yes, I am. |
14:18:26 | lostlogic | *fixes* |
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14:18:38 | romanos_melodos | hi everyone |
14:19:00 | pondlife | Hmm, fixed before I could even explain it fully!! |
14:19:16 | romanos_melodos | just a small question. Can i install ipl loader just to boot rockbox and apple firmware? |
14:19:36 | lostlogic | pondlife: cvs up and try it. |
14:20:03 | pondlife | OK, have remembered to bring my H300 into the office today, so shouldn't take long. |
14:20:08 | lostlogic | nice |
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14:21:41 | pondlife | BTW, resume on startup seems happy again |
14:21:56 | romanos_melodos | anyone to answer my previous question? |
14:22:41 | lostlogic | are you serious!? but I didn't touch it!??!?! |
14:22:46 | lostlogic | *HAPPY* |
14:23:02 | pondlife | Yep, even with voice enabled |
14:23:15 | petur | romanos_melodos: i think so, but i'm not an ipodder ;) |
14:23:24 | pondlife | Although voice seems to stop working sometimes, temporarily. |
14:23:35 | pondlife | But that's a minor issue relatively. |
14:23:37 | lostlogic | pondlife: yeah, amiconn reported that |
14:23:54 | pondlife | Hmm, sorry for the delay - can't get USB connected |
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14:27:47 | pondlife | Wooh, bug? Restart rockbox (audio resumes) / Insert USB cable (USB logo displayed, but no connectivity) / Unplug USB cable / Attempt playback... WPS displayed and in play mode, but no audio or progress. |
14:28:30 | lostlogic | yeah, I apparently have a therading problem stopping USB mode from activating... |
14:28:42 | lostlogic | I _think_ I have it on the wiki. |
14:29:01 | pondlife | And/or/maybe USB threading stops audio from activating? |
14:29:06 | pondlife | Will update wiki in a bit |
14:29:30 | pondlife | OK, turned off resume at startup - now USB works |
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14:29:42 | lostlogic | it's more like the USB not activating all the way leaves some thread (probably the codec thread) in a definite state of stupid. |
14:30:11 | webguest17 | lostlogic, are you seeing light at the end of the tunnel with regards to sorting playback out ? |
14:31:46 | pondlife | lostlogic: Track skipping problem seems to have been fixed |
14:31:46 | lostlogic | webguest17: read the wiki page for status... I am hopefully done with refactorings until after 3.0. |
14:32:25 | pondlife | Crossfade on track skip is not working though |
14:32:26 | lostlogic | pondlife: figured, stuipd bug I stupidly introduced by 'fixing' another conditional while I was fixing play new playlist yestrerday. |
14:32:36 | lostlogic | pondlife: probably just low buffer? |
14:32:44 | pondlife | Hmm - most of the time? |
14:32:53 | lostlogic | probably just low buffer. |
14:33:28 | pondlife | It's being a bit too careful at the moment I think, but not a biggie |
14:33:42 | lostlogic | could be... |
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14:33:47 | pondlife | Oops - hard crash, pin time. |
14:33:54 | lostlogic | what'd you do to it? |
14:34:03 | pondlife | Don't know yet |
14:34:41 | lostlogic | *sigh* I can't rockbox nay more, nor probably until Tuesday. Much paid work and packing to do. |
14:34:47 | pondlife | Voice is off, crossfade is on, beep is on. I think I did a skip back... |
14:34:55 | pondlife | No problem, good work anyway |
14:35:02 | pondlife | Have a nice rest! |
14:35:13 | lostlogic | thanks, keep the wiki up-to-date with your findings :) |
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14:36:16 | pondlife | Will do. |
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15:27:08 | ravon | Osnap. I think I've convinced my asm-happy friend to install Rockbox on his iRiver. |
15:27:46 | ravon | His response was something in the lines of "Oh crap! My iRiver has an arm720?! I'm gonna hack my ass off" |
15:28:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hah |
15:28:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iRiver doesn't though |
15:28:18 | petur | iFP? |
15:28:21 | ravon | yea |
15:28:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ooooh |
15:28:28 | ravon | iFP-899 |
15:28:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sweet |
15:28:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | The 899 and 799 are identical hardware in different casings if I understand |
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15:30:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I wouldn't mind seeing a working Rockbox in my 799 at all. :) |
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15:30:57 | preglow | time for uncooked fish! |
15:31:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Woo! |
15:31:31 | ravon | Sushi ftw |
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15:37:44 | erich | I just crashed my firmware it seems. by disabling dir cache while the tagdb is updating. |
15:39:06 | XavierGr | erich: why would you want to do that :p |
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15:49:03 | erich | the "disk powerdown" option isn't documented in the manual for the x5. what are the benefits/drawbacks of that option? |
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15:52:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you mean the spin down option, or is this literally called "powerdown" (in which case I'm not familiar with it) |
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15:56:31 | erich | Paul_The_Nerd: the literal power down option, just below the spindown time option |
15:56:48 | erich | XavierGr: dircache uses like 800k ram on my player it seems. |
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15:58:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | erich: I think he means "Why did you turn it off while the disk was in heavy use" |
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16:00:11 | erich | Paul_The_Nerd: the change is supposed to be in effect only after a reboot anyway? |
16:00:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's for enabling it. |
16:00:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Disabling it, it stops using it immediately, but reclaims the memory after the reboot, I believe |
16:00:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not 100% sure though. |
16:00:44 | erich | Paul_The_Nerd: memory use doesn't go down unless you reboot. |
16:00:47 | JdGordon41 | oh feck... ive just gone over my mothly limit on cable :'( down to fucking modem speeds for the rest of the week |
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16:01:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Dircache is the only way for Tagcache to work *well* at the moment anyway. |
16:01:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Without dircache, tagcache doesn't add entries properly if you copy new files over. |
16:02:52 | erich | I'm mostly interested in seeing how much battery I can get out by disabling stuff like dircache and such. it gives me a 5% larger buffer, for example. |
16:04:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Aaah, if you wanted to maximize your buffer you'd have to make a custom compile anyway. |
16:04:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | You could disable plugins, reclaim their memory, and have another 512k :) |
16:05:54 | Mikachu | disable the lcd and get the framebuffer too |
16:06:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but then you'd have to use VoiceUI to navigate, unless you put faith in Resume on Startup |
16:08:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be interesting to have an *actual* "Rockbox Optimized" which *just* did music playback, had a minimalist WPS buffer (text only), no sound processing features (or again, minimal ones maybe) and just played music as simply as possible, using all available RAM possible. |
16:08:26 | Mikachu | you couldcall it Rockbox Shuffle :) |
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16:13:38 | erich | Paul_The_Nerd: plugins just take up HD space, don't they? |
16:13:49 | Mikachu | they have 512kB reserved at all times |
16:13:53 | erich | ah, ok. |
16:14:08 | Mikachu | this memory is also used by the playlist viewer though |
16:14:11 | erich | well, I'm going to use the battery stats plugin. ;-) |
16:14:34 | erich | Mikachu: Rockbox Audio Roulette? |
16:14:45 | Mikachu | ? |
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16:14:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Instead of Shuffle |
16:14:58 | Mikachu | ah |
16:15:09 | petur | what, did they trademark shuffle? |
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16:15:31 | Mikachu | you can call it rockbox bejeweled vista shuffle |
16:15:37 | klrspz | Paul_The_Nerd, yah that latest bleed from yesterday seemed to be the end of my battery problem |
16:16:01 | * | amiconn spots talk about shufflebox |
16:16:18 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: [16:00:24] <Paul_The_Nerd> Dircache is the only way for Tagcache to work *well* at the moment anyway. |
16:16:25 | amiconn | This is not entirely correct |
16:16:35 | erich | petur: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/643.html |
16:16:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can also force update manually, right? |
16:16:40 | amiconn | Without dircache, tagcache doesn't add any new files automatically |
16:16:47 | Mikachu | amiconn: that's what he said |
16:16:52 | amiconn | A manual update should work okay |
16:17:07 | petur | erich: rofl |
16:17:11 | klrspz | erich, lol |
16:17:12 | erich | noone up for adding an easter egg to rockbox, on April first it will play all songs backwards. Or only celine dion songs. |
16:17:19 | erich | just kidding |
16:18:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suggested that every menu entry should instead be a procedurally generated bitmaps made from the string value somehow, and call it the new "Graphical UI" |
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16:27:13 | klrspz | all the podcasts on itunes seem to be a damn video |
16:27:19 | petur | Paul_The_Nerd: isn't it already? :P |
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16:38:28 | amiconn | cr@p |
16:39:21 | petur | wh@t? |
16:39:37 | amiconn | Everytime I'm looking into another source file to analyse one bug, I find other glaring bugs... |
16:40:33 | petur | we should do a codereview after 3.0 (or before?) |
16:40:46 | amiconn | Preferably before.. |
16:41:01 | * | amiconn summons the code police |
16:41:14 | * | petur hides |
16:41:28 | amiconn | Not you this time ;) |
16:41:34 | petur | phew |
16:42:09 | lostlogic | amiconn: that's how I ended up totally refactoring crossfade that I didn't originally have on my list of things to do before 3.0 :-\ |
16:43:37 | amiconn | What I found are 2 mistakes in main.c regarding string length wrt unicode |
16:44:18 | lostlogic | and I found that crossfade was handled in such a way that pieces of the crossfade could be lost, and faded into expired buffer if the fade wasn't keeping up with the playback. |
16:44:26 | amiconn | font_w * strlen(text) is clearly wrong |
16:44:58 | Mikachu | even for non-unicode if you have variable width fonts |
16:45:07 | ravon | Hmm, when porting the NSF codec, would it be an ugly solution to request the entire file (<20k probably) into a buffer and then wrap the fread functions to operate within that buffer? |
16:45:26 | amiconn | Mikachu: Yes, it's actually a double mistake (but this part uses the sysfont) |
16:46:16 | lostlogic | ravon: seems reasonable, since it's so small −− just do one large read from the filebuf −− do verify that you did indeed receive the amount you requested of the file, even though we currently guarantee at least 32k available in a single request, just to be correct. |
16:46:31 | ravon | lostlogic: Alrighy, thanks. |
16:46:33 | amiconn | ..and there's another problem apart from the invalid width calculation: On targets with small LCDs, the strings are truncated & show in a weird way |
16:46:53 | Mikachu | ravon: you're going to write a separate plugin or a codec for the playback system? |
16:46:54 | amiconn | Not only archos, but also ipod mini |
16:47:04 | ravon | Mikachu: Porting nosefart. |
16:47:15 | lostlogic | as a codec, because that's what it is, right? |
16:47:33 | Mikachu | i am asking because i'm not sure how you would handle subsongs as a codec |
16:47:34 | ravon | If it'll be possible to change subsongs, then yes as a codec. |
16:47:38 | ravon | :) |
16:47:59 | lostlogic | ogg also supports subsongs, but rockbox does not currently |
16:48:14 | Mikachu | nsf with subsongs is infinitely more common than ogg with subsongs thoug |
16:48:22 | crashd | it's like SID |
16:48:26 | crashd | SID almost always has subsongs |
16:48:31 | lostlogic | do they have separate names and stuff? |
16:48:33 | Mikachu | how are they handled now? |
16:48:38 | crashd | but there'd have to be some major refactoring for them tow ork |
16:48:41 | crashd | Mikachu: they aren't, afaik |
16:48:41 | lostlogic | if not, can't the codec just play through them internally? |
16:48:42 | ravon | Mikachu: On SID? They aren't. |
16:48:49 | Mikachu | you just play the first one? that sucks a bti |
16:48:51 | crashd | it'll play the first song, and when you skip, itll load the next fil |
16:48:53 | ravon | lostlogic: They don't have a length though. |
16:48:56 | crashd | well, it's still in testing |
16:49:05 | lostlogic | ravon: not sure I follow... |
16:49:08 | crashd | Mikachu: how do you propose they are handled :> |
16:49:12 | Mikachu | lostlogic: bg songs just loop infinitely |
16:49:17 | Mikachu | crashd: i'm just asking P: |
16:49:21 | crashd | Mikachu: :) |
16:49:42 | crashd | although, they do have 'lengths', it's been suggested that rb uses the metabase on the sid collection as a guide |
16:49:50 | ravon | Can't it be handled when the codec receives a "Next song" request? |
16:49:51 | crashd | but im not sure what would be the best way to approach it |
16:50:15 | Mikachu | ravon: if there was such a request |
16:50:28 | lostlogic | well currently, the codec _issues_ a next track request to the filebuffer |
16:50:50 | lostlogic | so the filebuffer would hafta be sub-song aware and move to the next subsong and tell the codec that said subsong is ready |
16:50:55 | lostlogic | not sure if that's ideal |
16:51:00 | Mikachu | you could maybe have file.sid:1 etc in the playlist? |
16:51:04 | ravon | if (ci->request_next_track()) |
16:51:05 | ravon | goto next_track; |
16:51:06 | Mikachu | and when adding it, it would add all subsongs? |
16:51:10 | ravon | What does that do then? |
16:51:10 | * | Mikachu hides |
16:51:45 | lostlogic | ravon: that's the codec thread, it requests the next track from the fielbuf, if the next track on buffer is the same codec, the filebuf returns true, and the codec plays the next track, if not it exits so the next codec can start |
16:52:30 | Mikachu | what happens if you try to seek after it exits? :) |
16:52:32 | ravon | So that would be issued if, say, the user switches to the next song? |
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16:53:07 | lostlogic | ravon: the audio thread sets the 'new_track' variable on the codec api, which tells the codec to immediately request a new track |
16:53:08 | ravon | In the Winamp plugin you switch songs by moving the time slider. Maybe seeking can be used to switch songs in some way. |
16:53:41 | lostlogic | ravon: in that case there's no need for special handling by the filebuf, you should just be able to have the codec internally handle all fo the sub songs. |
16:54:02 | Mikachu | it's sort of hard to seek with second precision in rb though, if each second represents a subsong |
16:54:03 | ravon | lostlogic: Yup. Just thinking about how to do it in the most usable and proper way. |
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16:54:35 | ravon | Or rather least useless and wrong way. |
16:55:09 | lostlogic | ravon: initially probably just handle subsongs in codec, later, maybe the codecs can callback to the audio thread with sub-song information so that there will be seek target points that 'skip' events will seek to when they are within the same file. |
16:55:10 | linuxstb | The "proper way" would seem to be to change Rockbox to break the "one file = one track" assumption. |
16:55:40 | ravon | Maybe I should just start at getting sound output. |
16:55:55 | lostlogic | linuxstb: for .sid and .nsf, I think what I just suggested would be the KISS way, but I guess for ogg, you do need to fully break that assumption :( |
16:56:03 | crashd | linuxstb: imho, that's a good idea, that way it could be easier to factor stuff like tracked tunes, midi, CUE playlists (i know, everyone seems to hate them, i dont though), ogg |
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16:56:16 | linuxstb | ... and chapters in .m4a/mp4 files |
16:56:20 | crashd | yeah, that too |
16:56:57 | linuxstb | But yes, seeking to various points in the file could be used today to play sub-songs in SID/NSF. |
16:57:12 | linuxstb | But I don't think the WPS could reflect which sub-song is playing. |
16:57:50 | linuxstb | ... although that might be relatively simple to fix - to let the codec update the metadata whilst the track is playing. |
16:57:51 | lostlogic | I vote for ab-ish markers in the wps indicating sub-song jump positions that 'next' presses would go to, for .sid, .nsf and chaptered files. |
16:58:06 | ravon | It's possible to use 8bit mono output with a codec, right? |
16:58:11 | lostlogic | ravon: no |
16:58:14 | ravon | smeg |
16:58:51 | lostlogic | ravon: all codecs currently output uhh 28 bit? (preglow?) samples which are processed to 16 bit by the DSP before being sent to the pcm. |
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16:59:33 | ravon | lostlogic: hmmm, ok |
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17:00:02 | linuxstb | ravon: If I was you, I would first try to implement an "nsf2wav" plugin which just writes the output to a file. This will allow you to a) adapt the code to run under Rockbox; b) test the output more thoroughly than just listening to it (e.g. comparing the WAV with the output of nosefart on a PC). |
17:00:25 | * | amiconn has to check how Deliplayer handles sub-songs |
17:00:28 | ravon | linuxstb: That works already.. as 8bit mono :) |
17:00:34 | amiconn | Perhaps these guys had a clever idea... |
17:01:00 | linuxstb | ravon: Does your plugin work on a real device? |
17:01:08 | ravon | linuxstb: yeah, on the X5 at least |
17:01:13 | crashd | amiconn: the same way every other dedicated tracker play does probably. I know sidplayer uses a slider to let you choose subsongs |
17:01:17 | linuxstb | ravon: How fast? |
17:01:18 | crashd | and various other players use similar methods |
17:01:26 | ravon | linuxstb: Haven't checked the ticks yet |
17:01:37 | Mikachu | wouldn't it be nice to be able to just have one of the subsongs in your playlist? |
17:01:45 | amiconn | crashd: Deliplayer is a true multiformat (>160 formats currently supported) music player for windows. |
17:01:50 | crashd | i know amiconn |
17:02:11 | crashd | iirc, it handles it a simialr way though, as it anticipates sub songs |
17:02:19 | ravon | linuxstb: Nosefart itself should be fast |
17:02:22 | ravon | vrcvisnd.c:** removed all floating point from sound generation |
17:02:50 | amiconn | lostlogic: The progressbar marker idea sounds good, but will be hard for formats that have no notion of track lenght |
17:02:54 | amiconn | *length |
17:03:23 | lostlogic | amiconn: gurgle, indeed |
17:03:30 | amiconn | It will probably be enough to show equidistant markers in such cases.. |
17:03:42 | lostlogic | amiconn: that was my first thought as well. |
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17:06:58 | godzirra | heya guys... |
17:07:04 | godzirra | if you had to recommend a good mp3 player... what would it be? |
17:07:10 | godzirra | I'm shopping for a new one and getting rid of my ipod I think. |
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17:09:05 | petur | godzirra: it *all* depends on what you expect from it. make a list of what you'd like it to have (start with rockbox-compatible) and compare your specs with the players available |
17:09:12 | godzirra | I like music. |
17:09:16 | godzirra | Dont care about video. |
17:09:38 | godzirra | Playlists are good, (on the fly random playlists are even better... thats the only thing I liked about itunes was the cool playlist generation) |
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17:10:49 | lostlogic | godzirra: sounds like any rockboxable device that you like the ergonomics of will do... |
17:12:26 | godzirra | So what is a good rockboxable device then? :) I heard that the xAudio had a lot of features but was hard to navigate. |
17:12:29 | godzirra | I liked my old h12 |
17:12:30 | godzirra | h120 |
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17:14:05 | lostlogic | godzirra: I dunno, I actually really like my ipod video |
17:14:14 | godzirra | I just dont really like the wheel controls. |
17:14:35 | lostlogic | unfortunately, I think the iAudio X5 and the ipod video/nano are the only rockboxables that are still in active production |
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17:15:09 | godzirra | Damn :/ |
17:15:58 | ravon | linuxstb: Seems to take 600 ticks/s on the X5 :/ |
17:16:04 | godzirra | huh? |
17:16:20 | lostlogic | ravon: for how many seconds of audio?> |
17:16:44 | ravon | 5113 ticks for 8.53333 seconds |
17:16:53 | lostlogic | cpu boosted or not? |
17:17:00 | ravon | ... |
17:17:06 | lostlogic | if you didn't boost it, it wasn't boosted. |
17:17:10 | ravon | Ok :) |
17:17:13 | lostlogic | and if you didn't boost it then you're doing great |
17:17:30 | lostlogic | that's 5 seconds to decode 8.5 seconds of audio unboosted, so it will not ever hafta boost to play .nsf |
17:17:30 | ravon | Then the nosefart team are doing great. |
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17:18:07 | ravon | Feels like a lot longer than 5 seconds when I wait though. |
17:18:26 | lostlogic | disk spin time before you start your timer, perhaps? |
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17:18:55 | ravon | Well, I splash "playing...", and the time from that until it exits feels like 15+ seconds |
17:19:05 | linuxstb | lostlogic: 5113 ticks is 51 seconds... |
17:19:21 | lostlogic | linuxstb: I suck at life. |
17:19:28 | lostlogic | ravon: I am retarded, sorry. |
17:19:44 | ravon | :D |
17:19:50 | crashd | time to get optimising then ;\ |
17:19:57 | linuxstb | So boosted should be about 3 times as fast - 16 seconds? |
17:20:03 | ravon | home, brb |
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17:39:43 | ravon | ok, back. Removed a splash that was done every iteration. |
17:39:56 | ravon | 3591 ticks now |
17:40:37 | linuxstb | hehe. Are you boosting the CPU? |
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17:45:40 | ravon | linuxstb: nope, same code but without the rb->splash:es |
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17:57:36 | godzirra | does rockbox not run on any creative devices? |
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18:00:42 | windowsrefund | hello |
18:01:03 | godzirra | howdy |
18:01:28 | windowsrefund | I have rockbox installed and thought I'd be able to update simply by unzipping the daily build to the root of my fat32 partition |
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18:01:41 | windowsrefund | however, "info" is still showing an old version |
18:01:43 | windowsrefund | hi godzirra |
18:01:49 | godzirra | Try deleting the old folder first. |
18:01:56 | windowsrefund | ok |
18:02:00 | godzirra | make sure .rockbox folder is there and the other single file |
18:02:02 | godzirra | in the main directory |
18:02:03 | lostlogic | godzirra: not yet |
18:02:04 | windowsrefund | and rockbox.ipod too right? |
18:02:05 | linuxstb | godzirra: Yes, Rockbox doesn't run on any Creative devices. |
18:02:05 | preglow | nice raw fish |
18:02:29 | godzirra | lostlogic: not yet? As in it is planned? |
18:02:45 | godzirra | windowsrefund: that was it. rockbox.ipod needs to be in the root directory |
18:02:45 | lostlogic | there are people talking about trying to port to the M:Vision, no real work started yet |
18:02:48 | godzirra | and then the .rockbox |
18:03:07 | godzirra | lostlogic: ok, was just curious. I'm not sure what I want to upgrade to. I want a color screen, and I want it to play music. Thats really my two requirements. ;) |
18:03:26 | lostlogic | godzirra: nod −− that M:VIsion is beautiful, but I don't want to actually do the port to it. |
18:03:30 | godzirra | hehe |
18:03:35 | godzirra | Thats what I was looking at. |
18:03:39 | windowsrefund | godzirra, ok, I removed rockbox.ipod and .rockbox |
18:03:44 | windowsrefund | maybe it will work now |
18:03:45 | windowsrefund | :) |
18:03:48 | linuxstb | godzirra: I think a port to the Creative players will be unlikely, at least in the near future. It's a completely new architecture for Rockbox, and another one with minimal documentation. |
18:04:00 | godzirra | Ok, cool. |
18:04:14 | windowsrefund | yea, that did it |
18:05:16 | godzirra | awesome. |
18:05:22 | petur | windowsrefund: when you unzip/copy to the player, make sure it overwrites files if they already exist |
18:05:23 | godzirra | Just have to make sure you got stuff into the root directory. |
18:05:32 | godzirra | I have a sneaking suspicion it didnt over write or oyu copied into the .rockbox folder. |
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18:17:21 | godzirra | Hrm. I have no idea what to get. |
18:17:28 | godzirra | the iAudio has complaints about the controls |
18:17:32 | godzirra | so does the Vision |
18:17:37 | godzirra | and I dont like the ipod controls. |
18:17:40 | godzirra | Maybe I'm too damned picky. |
18:20:38 | windowsrefund | I can't get my ipod nano into disk mode anymore |
18:20:45 | windowsrefund | anyone remember the key combo? |
18:21:51 | klrspz | i've got a problem with the forums.. i click th elink in my email, and it says i'm already activated, i try to log in, it says invalid, i request for the user/pass again, it says my email is invalid... wtf |
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18:31:17 | linuxstb | windowsrefund: MENU+SELECT to reboot, then PLAY+SELECT to enter disk mode. |
18:31:36 | windowsrefund | cool |
18:31:37 | windowsrefund | thanks |
18:31:43 | klrspz | no forum helpers in here? damnit i wanna download a file |
18:32:15 | webguest06 | lostlogic : have you seen that bug I added to the wiki? |
18:33:26 | lostlogic | webguest06: with auto dir skip? yes |
18:33:39 | lostlogic | but I'm not going to be able to do any rockbox coding until Tuesday. |
18:34:01 | * | goffa is going to suffer from withdrawl |
18:34:11 | goffa | at least you left it in good working order before you left |
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18:34:28 | goffa | or i'd have to send the hitman from detroit ;) |
18:34:53 | webguest06 | lostlogic : ok, just wanted to check if the information is sufficient. |
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18:47:27 | luckz | 18:02:08 < linuxstb> godzirra: Yes, Rockbox doesn't run on any Creative devices. <- aren't those *cough* not that brilliant, technically, anyway? |
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18:50:26 | DpK|Cronic | hi |
18:50:51 | scott666 | whats up |
18:51:01 | DpK|Cronic | german supporter here? or anyone can help me.. i have a g5 video ipod and when i install the rockbox he gave me the error -1 when the ipod boot... :( |
18:51:10 | DpK|Cronic | i have also a error -1 ^^ |
18:51:17 | DpK|Cronic | partition 2... |
18:52:22 | scott666 | is your drive fat32 formatted? |
18:52:32 | DpK|Cronic | y |
18:52:49 | DpK|Cronic | i look in explorer.. and he say fat32 ;) |
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18:52:54 | luckz | what else would it be? not that I owned an ipod, but the ones I used looked quite.. fat.. to me. |
18:53:26 | DpK|Cronic | ? |
18:53:56 | scott666 | most mac users have mac-formatted ipods (forget the name of it) |
18:54:07 | luckz | HFS+? |
18:54:31 | scott666 | thats it |
18:55:16 | Presence | scott, did you ever figure out the battery capicity of yer ipod? |
18:55:28 | scott666 | no |
18:55:35 | Presence | i was reading that a 5G is like less than 700mAh |
18:55:43 | scott666 | hmm |
18:55:51 | scott666 | well the options wont go under 1300 |
18:56:13 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 can you help me with my problem?:( or an step to sped docomention from you in qry? ^^ |
18:56:16 | scott666 | so if that's the case I don't think it'll be a useful setting no matter what it's set at |
18:56:19 | Presence | different websites (ebay!) are saying as low as 450mAh, which like, fuck, a button cell battery has more juice in it. :( |
18:56:34 | Presence | yeah, no lower than 1300. |
18:57:18 | scott666 | DpK|Cronic: have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
18:57:18 | klrspz | http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ |
18:57:22 | * | luckz coughs at his 2250 |
18:57:27 | DpK|Cronic | yes |
18:57:38 | scott666 | i can't really tell you a whole lot more than that, I just got my ipod/rockbox the other day |
18:57:46 | klrspz | http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
18:58:12 | klrspz | i wrote a batch install for nano, which could be easily changed for any other i suppose |
18:58:41 | DpK|Cronic | hmm... can you give me the commands who i give it on? |
18:59:09 | Presence | klrspz, that webpage is great, except for The Chart leaves the cells for 5G's batteries empty. :) |
18:59:17 | DpK|Cronic | also cmd 1: ipodpatcher -r 2 bootpartition.bin cmd 2: .... |
18:59:18 | DpK|Cronic | ? |
18:59:22 | scott666 | haha yeah |
18:59:39 | scott666 | the 60GB has better battery life? aweosme |
18:59:50 | klrspz | lol, sorry |
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19:00:16 | klrspz | DpK|Cronic, it's on that site scott666, sent to you |
19:00:18 | Presence | scott, yeah, I specifically read on Apple's website that a 60G has longer runtime due to more space in the device. |
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19:00:41 | Presence | deeper depth for the larger HDD and thusly also battery. yayay |
19:00:51 | scott666 | sweet. I just wanted the extra space |
19:00:55 | Presence | ditto. |
19:01:00 | scott666 | I filled it up first shot |
19:01:01 | Presence | what theme are you running? |
19:01:01 | DpK|Cronic | i know klrspz but i make it false or so... i have installed it but always the error -1 :( |
19:01:11 | klrspz | make it false? |
19:01:13 | scott666 | I have too much music :-/ |
19:01:16 | klrspz | is english your first language? |
19:01:28 | klrspz | (not being rude, just need to know if i need to adjust my contextual referencing) |
19:01:39 | scott666 | he asked for a german earlier |
19:01:54 | klrspz | ahh, i see |
19:01:58 | klrspz | i don't know german |
19:02:25 | DpK|Cronic | my speka is german :P |
19:02:35 | scott666 | Presence: were you asking me? I'm using the Rockamp theme, but I fiddled with it and made it red. |
19:02:56 | DpK|Cronic | anyone can speak german here? |
19:03:39 | Presence | switch (contextual_referencing) { case "german": /* doh */ } |
19:03:41 | klrspz | don't think so |
19:04:03 | klrspz | DpK|Cronic, what's the issue? |
19:04:16 | Presence | scott, yeah... Rockamp is what I show to family, but I *use* Ajant blue, but gimp'd out some of the clutter. |
19:04:25 | klrspz | i'm thinking of writing the install doc in a dynamic sense, so you don't see 5 diff devices at once |
19:04:39 | DpK|Cronic | issue? o.ô i have a problem with boot.. error -1 |
19:04:57 | klrspz | DpK|Cronic, and do you have rockbox on your device? |
19:07:26 | scott666 | Presence: that theme definitely has clutter a-plenty :-) |
19:07:56 | scott666 | I wish I had some more graphics-editing skills or I'd make my own |
19:08:40 | scott666 | It took all the effort I had just to turn most of Rockamp reddish, and there are still parts that look really shitty. |
19:08:55 | scott666 | But maybe that's because I did it in MS Paint :-/ |
19:10:48 | Presence | mad mspaint skillz++ |
19:10:48 | klrspz | i was actually thinking of taking requests |
19:11:27 | Presence | klrspz, Freebird! |
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19:12:06 | scott666 | hahaha |
19:13:23 | scott666 | I have to look into compiling Rockbox again |
19:13:59 | scott666 | so I can play with patches and think about writing plugins |
19:14:54 | Presence | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/video-ipod.ars/6 |
19:14:56 | PaulJam | DpK|Cronic: did you put the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file on your ipod after installing the bootloader? |
19:14:58 | Presence | jpegs of battery. |
19:15:06 | klrspz | lol |
19:15:13 | klrspz | funny, that's where i'm going to go eat |
19:15:16 | klrspz | (freebirds) |
19:15:28 | klrspz | scott666, that's what i'm doing |
19:15:32 | scott666 | thats hot |
19:15:47 | scott666 | ^ directed at Presence |
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19:16:26 | klrspz | scott666, i got everything but a choice on using a SIM (which i'd need to either set up an x-server or figure out how to make SDL display on a framebuffer) |
19:16:30 | scott666 | I don't suppose there's a really cool and easy to install dev environment anymore? |
19:16:36 | klrspz | or just copying it to my nanopod a bajillion times |
19:16:54 | klrspz | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
19:17:16 | scott666 | thats where I am |
19:17:17 | klrspz | i might install gentoo on a vmware install |
19:18:39 | klrspz | preglow, i meant requests for WPS' |
19:19:23 | DpK|Cronic | so back |
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19:19:31 | DpK|Cronic | what did you say? |
19:19:53 | klrspz | i'm going to lunch |
19:20:13 | klrspz | if ya'll are here in about 1.5->2 hours, then so will i |
19:20:26 | scott666 | klrspz: I want something fairly dark with a red/black color theme. |
19:20:32 | klrspz | me too |
19:20:36 | scott666 | cool |
19:20:37 | scott666 | heh |
19:20:44 | klrspz | i have an idea that i like to use with lots of things |
19:20:59 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 can you give me a personal documention? :P also can you say me the commands? |
19:21:03 | Lear | lostlogic: seek bug in build from this morning... |
19:21:11 | klrspz | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/4072083/ kinda like this texture |
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19:21:34 | Myth1 | hi guys |
19:21:35 | klrspz | DpK|Cronic, c'mon man, read the page, convert it to german or something |
19:21:35 | godzirra | So anyone have opinions on irivers H10? |
19:21:58 | klrspz | http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Ftwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FIpodInstallation&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 |
19:22:01 | klrspz | DpK|Cronic ^^ |
19:22:06 | scott666 | i played with one at the store; it seemed kinda shitty |
19:22:11 | klrspz | errr whoops, wait |
19:22:11 | godzirra | scott666: with an h10? |
19:22:13 | godzirra | How so? |
19:22:19 | klrspz | http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Ftwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FIpodInstallation&langpair=en%7Cde&hl=en&ie=UTF8 |
19:22:28 | DpK|Cronic | klrspz i have read it but error 1 always come :( |
19:22:31 | scott666 | I really don't like the touch-line thing |
19:22:37 | godzirra | touch line? |
19:22:38 | Myth1 | any developers online? I need some background info on malloc() in codecs. Can I use it? And how much RAM is available? |
19:22:50 | Lear | lostlogic: Resume playback of a long mp3 file (e.g., so you start one third into it). Once buffering is complete, seek back a minute or two. Notice how the drive does not spin up and that the sound played is from another file... :) |
19:23:15 | scott666 | godzirra: http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/hd/ |
19:23:27 | Lear | myth1: the malloc that exists is a hack, because free doesn't do anything. And you currently have 512 kB. |
19:23:32 | klrspz | DpK|Cronic, then i'll help you in about an hour |
19:23:35 | klrspz | i'll bbl |
19:23:38 | DpK|Cronic | ok :) |
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19:23:47 | DpK|Cronic | good eating |
19:23:48 | Myth1 | Lear: But it works? |
19:24:03 | Myth1 | So there is no chance in getting more than 512kb from within a codec? |
19:24:05 | godzirra | scott666: I'm reading about it now. |
19:24:10 | Lear | myth1: however, you can free everything with a single call, e.g. when starting a new track (depending on the codec). |
19:24:16 | godzirra | scott666: I'm reading about it now. |
19:24:19 | godzirra | oops |
19:24:21 | godzirra | scott666: was that the only thing you didnt like? |
19:24:33 | scott666 | That and that it's only 20GB |
19:24:35 | lostlogic | Lear: mmhmm... start_pos for that resumed track must not get set correctly, so it thinks it is on buffer when it is not. |
19:24:43 | Lear | myth1: you can always use large arrays/buffers that are statically declared. |
19:24:46 | godzirra | That doesnt really tell me anything about touchline either. |
19:24:52 | godzirra | scott666: I'm looking for a new player. got a better recommendation? |
19:24:54 | scott666 | It's the same price as a 30GB ipod which has a way cooler screen and UI |
19:25:11 | godzirra | I dont like the ipod ui. |
19:25:16 | scott666 | (and rockbox support) |
19:25:18 | Myth1 | Lear: I tried that, unfortunately it shows an error on combile time .bss section is too large or something like this |
19:25:18 | godzirra | I have an ipod now and dont like it. |
19:25:24 | Lear | myth1: several codecs do use malloc (like Tremor), so it is okay to use it (but the codec used for voice files better not). |
19:25:25 | scott666 | HW or SW? |
19:25:35 | godzirra | I dont really like the scroll wheel. |
19:25:42 | Lear | myth1: well, then you probably try to stuff too much data in there. |
19:26:03 | Myth1 | I need to allocate sample-ram for modplayback |
19:26:25 | scott666 | I'm not a huge fan either, but hardware wise I'm not aware of anything better than the ipod |
19:26:27 | Myth1 | 512kb would be too diiscriminating :( |
19:26:44 | DpK|Cronic | must i download the ipodpatcher... zip too? |
19:26:50 | scott666 | I swore I'd never buy one a few years ago. Damn Apple and their making non-shitty products. |
19:26:58 | godzirra | *sigh* a few months ago, everyone recommended that I get something else other than the ipod. |
19:27:04 | godzirra | now I cant get anyone to recommend anything but an ipod ;p |
19:27:09 | crashd | heh |
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19:27:15 | crashd | i like my 5g, especially so with rockbox on it |
19:27:15 | lostlogic | godzirra: a few months ago rockbox support on ipod wasn't nearly as good :) |
19:27:20 | * | Myth1 is pleased with his iriver h320 |
19:27:21 | Lear | well, modules (as in .mod and the like, I guess) is a bit of a special case, and might need to take over the entire codec buffer to work well. There's been some discussions about that at least. |
19:27:36 | lostlogic | scott666: I realized that my problem with the ipod and why I made that oath was software, not hardware, so rockbox made buying one earsy |
19:27:38 | scott666 | Eveything else is shit. Seriously. This is coming from someone who's spent most his life /hating/ apple |
19:27:40 | godzirra | lol |
19:27:57 | Myth1 | ok, i see. then we'll start with 512kb limited mods ;) |
19:28:01 | godzirra | Myth1: but you can only get htose on ebay now right? |
19:28:14 | lostlogic | why do .mods need so much ram? |
19:28:24 | scott666 | lostlogic: 1G-3G were overpriced crap, but the 5G is just allaround sexy |
19:28:32 | crashd | seconded :) |
19:28:46 | lostlogic | hehe, I also like the creative M:Vision's hardware better, but it's software even less :-\ |
19:29:19 | godzirra | the 5g what? |
19:29:27 | lostlogic | ipoop of course |
19:30:18 | scott666 | I still don't get the Nano |
19:30:31 | godzirra | The nano is great for some people. |
19:30:34 | scott666 | $250 for 4GB vs $300 for 30GB |
19:30:40 | godzirra | I got my wife one because she needed something for the gym. |
19:30:44 | godzirra | the fact that I got it for 150 helped. |
19:30:44 | Myth1 | godzilla: I bought mine at amazon last week |
19:30:45 | lostlogic | scott666: I said the same thing. |
19:30:54 | scott666 | Ahh, that must be it. I don't exercise |
19:30:56 | scott666 | haha |
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19:30:57 | godzirra | lol |
19:31:18 | godzirra | Maybe I'll just switch back to my h12. |
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19:31:20 | godzirra | h120 |
19:31:32 | lostlogic | *shrug* I carry my 30g 5g in a pocket or a backpack when I'm skating or walking or biking |
19:31:37 | godzirra | If I could find a small case for my H130 I'd be happy. |
19:31:41 | godzirra | I didnt know there was a 5g ipod. |
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19:31:44 | lostlogic | godzirra: h120 is a hard to beat player. |
19:31:45 | godzirra | oh |
19:31:47 | godzirra | 5th gen. |
19:32:13 | DpK|Cronic | ipodpatcher -w 2 rockboot.bin N= partition number or? |
19:32:14 | thesonork | hi guys, is there any possibility to get rockbox working on a 4g Mini? (wich bootloader, rockbox to use?) |
19:32:15 | godzirra | lostlogic: I bought a hard plastic case for mine that adds almost nothing to the size/weight. |
19:32:17 | scott666 | apple should've just called em Ipod Videos |
19:32:20 | DpK|Cronic | ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin N= partition number or? |
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19:32:30 | godzirra | scott666: I thought they did. Everybody else outside this channel does :) |
19:32:36 | lostlogic | scott666: they're just ipod _with_ video... the ipod video is next :) |
19:32:38 | Presence | I've had my 60gig 5G for a long hard week and the apple interface for itunes and on the ipod is retardo. |
19:32:53 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin Must i replace N for the Number of my Partition? |
19:33:02 | godzirra | The one thing I absolutely -loved- on iTunes was the playlist generation. |
19:33:06 | Presence | I'm pro-apple if it was pre-OS9 and with a 68k processor. :) Apple Newton for LYFE. |
19:33:09 | Mikachu | call them ipV and the v can be either 5 or video |
19:33:16 | godzirra | That was the -only- thing I loved about iTuns. |
19:33:21 | scott666 | go through ipodpatcher 1, 2 ,3 etc |
19:33:26 | scott666 | one of them will be youre ipod |
19:33:28 | scott666 | use that for N |
19:33:31 | DpK|Cronic | y kk |
19:33:33 | scott666 | (RTFM) |
19:33:37 | godzirra | DpK|Cronic: It details that in the manual. |
19:33:44 | DpK|Cronic | yy i know O.o |
19:34:00 | DpK|Cronic | hmm.. kk i testing |
19:34:13 | scott666 | I despise iTunes |
19:34:16 | thesonork | so its: "no, i cant run rockbox on a 4g mini"? |
19:34:19 | DpK|Cronic | Rockbox error: -1 |
19:34:21 | DpK|Cronic | WTF? >.< |
19:34:27 | DpK|Cronic | Rock box boot loader |
19:34:40 | DpK|Cronic | lala Rockbox error: -1 WTF? :( |
19:34:41 | scott666 | have you installed Rockbox? |
19:34:49 | scott666 | downloaded a CVS build and put it on your ipod? |
19:35:06 | scott666 | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
19:35:14 | DpK|Cronic | yy but before i install i the rockboxx on ipod i testing it? he said it on g) |
19:35:28 | scott666 | if the bootloaded pops up |
19:35:31 | scott666 | you did it right |
19:35:40 | scott666 | *bootloader |
19:36:01 | DpK|Cronic | ahh the error when i dont installed the rockbox is right? |
19:36:31 | DpK|Cronic | and then unzipp the roclbox.ipod an the .rockbox direction on my ipod right? |
19:36:45 | scott666 | right |
19:37:07 | scott666 | and then reboot and you should have rockbox |
19:37:11 | DpK|Cronic | kk |
19:37:11 | DpK|Cronic | y |
19:37:19 | DpK|Cronic | i hope it.. |
19:37:23 | DpK|Cronic | so i testing it yet |
19:37:26 | DpK|Cronic | now |
19:37:36 | scott666 | can someone help me install Doom? I feel like an idiot because the instruction are simple and yet it still won't work |
19:37:54 | scott666 | i've got rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad in /games/doom/ |
19:37:59 | DpK|Cronic | yeah its gone :) |
19:38:22 | godzirra | scott666: I coudlnt get it to work in my ipod either. |
19:38:24 | DpK|Cronic | are they have not a grafik display? only text? |
19:38:40 | DpK|Cronic | you speaking from themes scott666 ? |
19:38:41 | Mikachu | scott666: and what happens? |
19:38:50 | scott666 | Doom hangs |
19:38:54 | scott666 | now |
19:39:00 | Mikachu | and it says what? |
19:39:07 | scott666 | it used to be that I'd get some error and then hex |
19:39:10 | scott666 | Data Error Aport |
19:39:13 | Ribs | okay... slight issue with rockbox today |
19:39:15 | scott666 | *Abort |
19:39:17 | Ribs | was walking home just now |
19:39:26 | Ribs | it started playing a song, everything was great |
19:39:40 | scott666 | Now Doom just gives a black screen and does nothing, and then I manually reboot my ipod cause I'm impatient |
19:39:44 | Ribs | got to around 20 seconds into the song, then skipped the majority of it, and started playing the end of it ... |
19:39:47 | Ribs | anyone else had that? |
19:40:00 | Presence | url to .mp3 for us to test. |
19:40:46 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 can i load gfx themes on my ipod video with color? |
19:40:53 | scott666 | yes |
19:41:02 | Presence | on the other hand, I'm running last night's build and have been playing for the last 5 hours and not a single issue with playback. |
19:41:08 | DpK|Cronic | cool can you give me the site to it? and the documention? |
19:41:25 | scott666 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
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19:41:49 | DpK|Cronic | what plugins you use? |
19:42:34 | DpK|Cronic | and what theme you use? |
19:42:34 | amiconn | lostlogic: On my ride home, I got a hard freeze when trying to resume :( |
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19:42:57 | thesonork | guys can u please help me? did anyone even read what i wrote? |
19:43:19 | goffa | rockbox work on the h140? |
19:43:41 | amiconn | Wps appeared, but only displayed the filename, and playtime 0:00/0:00 Playlist position & length were correct |
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19:44:04 | goffa | guess so |
19:44:28 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 can you give me your theme? |
19:44:40 | scott666 | my customized one? |
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19:44:48 | scott666 | it's kinda shitty, are you sure you want ti? |
19:44:57 | DpK|Cronic | y |
19:45:06 | thesonork | is there any possibility to get rockbox working on a 4gb Ipod Mini? (wich bootloader, rockbox to use?) |
19:45:18 | Lear | Ribs: seen something similar. Not quite that large skip, but... |
19:45:40 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 what is "kinda" ? ^^ ehm and yes i would it ;) |
19:45:50 | Ribs | oh good, not just me then :) |
19:45:58 | Ribs | I've had it skip a few seconds before |
19:46:03 | Ribs | but I assumed it was me being dumb |
19:46:53 | scott666 | DpK|Cronic: KInda meeaning don't look too closely at it cause I did it in MS Paint |
19:47:51 | DpK|Cronic | ahh ^^ kk also is your theme = SHIT? ^^ |
19:48:02 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 or not good? :P |
19:48:05 | amiconn | Bagder: around? |
19:48:41 | goffa | anyone use an h140? how does it compare to a 340? |
19:50:07 | ep0ch | goffa: less colours |
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19:50:22 | goffa | that's it? |
19:50:23 | PaulJam | i don't think there are many differences, the h3x0 has a color display and USB-OTG and the h1x0 has optical line in/out |
19:50:38 | goffa | sweet |
19:50:44 | ep0ch | ihp-1x0 is thinner too |
19:50:55 | goffa | cool.. what about battery? |
19:50:56 | goffa | same? |
19:51:08 | scott666 | DpK|Cronic: not complete shit. /I'm/ using it. It's just really not ready for the general public, because under any scrutiny you can tell it's shit |
19:51:18 | Moos | anyone know one windows way to convert .ttf font to .bdf one? |
19:51:27 | amiconn | goffa: H140 has the better case, s/pdif in/out, and the b/w lcd is readable without backlight. |
19:51:48 | ep0ch | goffa: with rockbox battery on h3x0 is bad at the moment, stock firmware is ok |
19:51:52 | PaulJam | with rockbox h3x0 has a worse batteryperformance |
19:51:53 | DpK|Cronic | ^^ the funktion is good but the gfx is shit ? i can good design.. can you send it to me pls? |
19:52:00 | amiconn | But I personally dislike the joystick, and the placement of the buttons on more than one face |
19:52:07 | goffa | sweet |
19:52:10 | ep0ch | i like the joystick |
19:52:14 | goffa | because h140's are cheaper on ebay |
19:52:15 | ep0ch | i love my ihp-120 |
19:52:18 | goffa | than the 340 |
19:52:21 | goffa | and more readily available |
19:52:23 | scott666 | DpK|Cronic: I tried, it didnt seem to start though. I'm looking for a webhost. |
19:52:39 | ep0ch | best thing i ever bought period |
19:52:42 | DpK|Cronic | ahh kk |
19:52:43 | goffa | i use a monochrome wps on my x5 anyway |
19:52:56 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 can you give me tips for good plugins? :) |
19:52:59 | goffa | and i like my x5 |
19:53:04 | scott666 | Try them all |
19:53:07 | goffa | i think 140 would compare |
19:53:20 | scott666 | Jewels and Space Rocks are pretty cool though |
19:53:39 | DpK|Cronic | ^^ kk are you have the link to the list? |
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19:53:56 | Moos | goffa: I've got both h140 and X5 and those 2 rocks :) |
19:54:25 | goffa | cool |
19:54:31 | goffa | what do you like better Moos? |
19:54:40 | thesonork | mhhhhh |
19:54:44 | Moos | depend in wich front |
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19:54:58 | goffa | what do you mean? |
19:55:15 | Moos | goffa: the subpack for X5 sucks, it's the thing I don't like much on X5 |
19:55:24 | goffa | yeah... i agree |
19:55:25 | Moos | for recording h140 is the better |
19:55:41 | thesonork | damn, gotta use the AppleIpod software now again :-\ |
19:55:44 | Moos | but I prefer the X5 joystic to the h1xx one |
19:55:46 | goffa | x5 record in rockbox? |
19:55:52 | Moos | not yet |
19:56:05 | goffa | didn't think so |
19:56:16 | goffa | but wanted to make sure i wasnt missing something |
19:56:25 | Moos | but using sibpack for record sucks too |
19:56:30 | Moos | subpack |
19:56:37 | goffa | yeah |
19:56:53 | goffa | well i was using built in mic with OF on x5 |
19:56:53 | Moos | they probably wanted to make the player as tiny as possible |
19:57:04 | goffa | for my drumming.. just to monitor myself |
19:57:10 | Moos | : ) |
19:57:21 | goffa | brb... gotta go back to work |
19:57:24 | Moos | c you |
19:57:32 | luckz | Moos: supback? |
19:57:42 | thesonork | is there any ipod-os that just works with a 4GB ipod mini? would need it, using linux on my pc, and those itunes-clones do not like my ipod.... |
19:57:43 | luckz | mean the thingie for power and usb? |
19:57:51 | Moos | yeah :( |
19:57:54 | Moos | and record |
19:58:01 | luckz | thesonork: how many minis are there? |
19:58:05 | Moos | we depend too much on this thing |
19:58:11 | luckz | what's the problem with using rockbox, thesonork? |
19:58:31 | thesonork | no problem using it, just a problem finding the right rockbox version >_> |
19:58:36 | luckz | how so? |
19:58:48 | thesonork | cuz theres 1 for 1g,2g,and 3g minis but not for 4g |
19:58:57 | luckz | ..4G or 4GB? |
19:58:59 | thesonork | and the one i used seems not to work so far |
19:59:03 | Moos | question 2nd try: is anyone know how to convert .ttf font to .bdf one please? :) |
19:59:25 | amiconn | thesonork: Seems you're confusing G (generation) with GB |
19:59:31 | thesonork | 4GB = 2nd generation , right? |
19:59:42 | amiconn | There are only 2 generatins of the mini |
19:59:45 | Mikachu | the size is not related to the generation |
19:59:51 | thesonork | x( |
19:59:55 | amiconn | 2nd gen have the capacity engraved on the back |
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20:00:06 | thesonork | written on the back |
20:00:09 | thesonork | not engraved |
20:00:16 | amiconn | myes |
20:00:28 | thesonork | so 2nd generationw as right, ... still does not work |
20:00:34 | mikolas | my ipod finally got rockbox in it |
20:00:57 | Moos | congrates |
20:01:02 | thesonork | when my ipod is "booting" i jsut get that awful folder icon on the screen |
20:01:15 | thesonork | with that apple support link below |
20:01:17 | Mikachu | then you Did Something Wrong [tm] |
20:01:37 | thesonork | humm |
20:01:54 | mikolas | is there a reason why over 32 megs of memory will break it? if you manually define 64m in the makefile as the 60gb model has this amount of memory. i get codec errors all the time, everything is ok w/ 32m in the makefile. |
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20:02:28 | Bagder | mikolas: yes, since only changing that is not enough |
20:02:33 | mikolas | ok |
20:02:38 | amiconn | mikolas: Did you unzip the full package to your ipod after redefining the memory amount and rebuilding? |
20:02:44 | mikolas | of course |
20:02:54 | amiconn | Better still, do a make clean; make && make zip |
20:03:09 | mikolas | bagder, is there a wiki entry or some docs on what has to be changed? |
20:03:20 | Bagder | I don't think so |
20:03:34 | Bagder | but I figure that define and the .lds files are the ones to edit |
20:03:47 | mikolas | ok, i'll take a look at it |
20:03:55 | amiconn | Bagder: I think we should replace the 1G, 2G ... with 1st gen, 2nd gen ... |
20:04:14 | amiconn | There was quite some confusion related to that, especially for mini |
20:04:19 | Bagder | yes |
20:04:29 | amiconn | ..and btw, the mini 1st gen is still missing on the frontpage |
20:06:52 | Myth1 | Lear: Concerning the malloc(): How do I free the malloced buffer for the next track load? |
20:06:54 | goffa | back |
20:07:20 | Lear | To use the malloc, you first need to initialize it. Just do that again. |
20:07:32 | Myth1 | ok, then how do I initialize it? ;) |
20:07:49 | mikearthur | guys, I may need to learn C for a summer job |
20:08:06 | Lear | And the call in question is codec_init (had to look it up)... |
20:08:14 | mikearthur | I've got a lot of experience with Java, but need to learn the memory management science |
20:08:17 | mikearthur | any tips? |
20:08:32 | mikearthur | also, on that note, if I want to learn C and C++, which should I learn first? |
20:08:41 | dpassen1 | C |
20:09:49 | Myth1 | Lear: OK, thanks for the info |
20:10:48 | lostlogic | amiconn: :( |
20:12:08 | DpK|Cronic | where i must input my music? XD |
20:12:55 | scott666 | DpK|Cronic: wherever you like. |
20:13:05 | DpK|Cronic | and then? o.o |
20:13:26 | scott666 | you play it |
20:13:47 | DpK|Cronic | hmzzz ^^ kk |
20:13:53 | thesonork | ok now i got the bootloader working but rockbox isn't |
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20:14:31 | DpK|Cronic | what plugins do you have on your ipod scott666 ?` |
20:14:49 | scott666 | all the ones that come with it |
20:15:05 | scott666 | look in .rockbox/rocks/ |
20:15:13 | Moos | thesonork: did you dowloaded the CVS build? |
20:15:33 | thesonork | sure |
20:15:40 | thesonork | and cpied it to dev/sda2 |
20:15:53 | DpK|Cronic | ahhh the plugbox? |
20:15:57 | * | amiconn is trying to narrow down the crash with sh-elf-gcc 3.4.x -Os |
20:16:02 | _klrspz | DpK|Cronic, did you get it working? |
20:16:06 | thesonork | rockbox error -4 |
20:16:10 | thesonork | is the output |
20:16:11 | DpK|Cronic | yes :D |
20:16:18 | _klrspz | DpK|Cronic, what was the issue? |
20:16:20 | DpK|Cronic | i have install the false version ! |
20:16:32 | _klrspz | wrong device? |
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20:16:43 | DpK|Cronic | nope wrong version ! |
20:16:52 | KlrSpz | that's what i meant, sorry |
20:17:18 | DpK|Cronic | ^^ np |
20:17:28 | DpK|Cronic | hmm.. how i can play doom on it ? O:o |
20:17:58 | DpK|Cronic | KlrSpz can you say me what theme u use? |
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20:19:18 | KlrSpz | right now i use: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#iPod_Vision_Nano |
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20:19:24 | KlrSpz | i'm in the works of designing my own though |
20:20:06 | DpK|Cronic | hmm.. oh you have a ipod nano :( i have a video |
20:20:33 | KlrSpz | i see |
20:20:41 | KlrSpz | i can't find ou tabou tthe toolbar exactly |
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20:21:27 | DpK|Cronic | and what plugins you use? |
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20:22:25 | DpK|Cronic | hmm.. i will use the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g ipod green 5g what must i make? |
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20:23:55 | thesonork | ow damnit |
20:24:04 | thesonork | why the holy hell is my ipod now Read only lol |
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20:25:34 | KlrSpz | DpK|Cronic, i don't really use a whole lot of plugins, i deleted most in fact |
20:25:58 | DpK|Cronic | hmm ... |
20:26:18 | KlrSpz | http://pastebin.com/683485 |
20:26:21 | KlrSpz | those are the ones i kept |
20:26:23 | DpK|Cronic | i need a simple menu ^^ and how i can listen music with it? XD and how i must music in it? |
20:26:27 | scott666 | I like playing the old archos plugins on my ipod. It has the same nostalgic feel as playing DOS games. |
20:26:49 | amiconn | wtf.... |
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20:27:10 | amiconn | gcc 3.4.x misinterprets #pragma interrupt when optimsising... |
20:27:37 | amiconn | It compiles _all_ subsequent functions as interrupt handlers, not only the following one |
20:27:39 | KlrSpz | DpK|Cronic, what do you mean? |
20:28:01 | DpK|Cronic | what must i make to listen music with the rockbox?^^ |
20:28:09 | amiconn | ...and obviously, RTE is not the same as RTS -> bad crash |
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20:28:37 | amiconn | Anyway, function attributes are better than #pragma, so that should be changed |
20:30:33 | scott666 | DpK|Cronic: Have you seen the manual? You might enjoy reading it |
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20:31:26 | DpK|Cronic | hmm i reading it now o.o^ |
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20:33:25 | DpK|Cronic | i dont find it ^^ |
20:35:53 | KlrSpz | DpK|Cronic, it is based off a file tree, so just make a dir called Songs or whatever it is in german, and dump your mp3's/oggs/etc in there |
20:38:19 | preglow | artrggh |
20:38:38 | preglow | do we need to include the directions for use in the pitch screen, or what |
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20:39:50 | amiconn | w0000t |
20:39:55 | ep0ch | does the quick menu? |
20:40:36 | amiconn | preglow: Changing all #pragma interrupt to blahfn __attribute__((interrupt_handler)); fixes the hard crash with gcc 3.4.x and -Os on archos |
20:40:51 | amiconn | ...and the best thing is that doing so saves another ~500 bytes |
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20:41:05 | * | preglow isn't a fan of #pragma |
20:41:27 | * | petur looks for some code to fill up the 500 byte gap |
20:41:59 | * | amiconn slaps petur |
20:42:23 | * | petur expected that and ducked before the slapping :P |
20:42:24 | amiconn | preglow: Me neither, but that's what it was in several places |
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20:43:25 | webguest73 | hardeep, are you still interested in the playlist catalog feature ? |
20:44:02 | tf4 | Is there a decent itunes replacement for rockbox? |
20:44:17 | webguest73 | yes, explorer |
20:44:26 | tf4 | OR is there a way to still use itunes for my new rockbox? |
20:44:38 | tf4 | i dont like the file menuing system :( |
20:44:51 | webguest73 | use tagcache |
20:45:22 | tf4 | ok does that create a id3 database that rockbox can read? |
20:45:49 | webguest73 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
20:46:24 | tf4 | yeah im reading it now.... So do I run this on my current ipod_control folder?? |
20:46:40 | Myth1 | ahh. mod is playing fine in the simulator ;) |
20:47:01 | goffa | hmm... i think i did ok there... got a h140 for $197 |
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20:48:16 | * | amiconn is listening to music and running plugins with a gcc 3.4.6 -Os build on his recorder :-) |
20:48:41 | webguest73 | tf4, read 'Using Tag Cache' |
20:49:10 | amiconn | Need to check whether the interrupt_handler change doesn't break on gcc 3.3.x, then commit, and prepare the gcc patch |
20:50:34 | amiconn | With gcc 3.4.6 and -Os, we'll get rombox back for fmr and recv2. >8KB below limit... |
20:50:41 | tf4 | are there any other sites on the net that have cool ipod video themes other than on rockbox's website? |
20:51:05 | tf4 | most of the themes - the fonts are too small for me, im old and have bad eyesite ;) |
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20:51:24 | webguest73 | well you can change the font |
20:53:01 | preglow | amiconn: so, which of the solutions to the jump table problem did you implement? |
20:53:02 | webguest73 | tf4, go to > general settings > display > browse fonts |
20:53:25 | goffa | well.. paid... now the wait begins |
20:53:33 | amiconn | preglow: The simple one. I have no idea where the instruction generation takes place... |
20:54:28 | amiconn | It seems there's _no_ other platform that uses this .unsigned flag... I searched for it... |
20:55:06 | preglow | amiconn: tried asking the gcc people if this is due to negligence or an old backend? |
20:55:09 | preglow | i suspect the last |
20:55:15 | webguest73 | tf4, or you can create your own wps, with custom font, go here for more info http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
20:55:52 | tf4 | yeah i might make my own...it will be fun |
20:56:11 | tf4 | i really dig the brushed, i changed the font but now i lost stuff on the screen :( |
20:56:21 | tf4 | the brushed metal is so cool looking |
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20:56:37 | webguest73 | yes you need to play around with the spacing a bit |
20:57:14 | amiconn | preglow: No I didn't ask the gcc people |
20:57:58 | amiconn | Don't feel a strong inclination to do so either... |
20:59:49 | preglow | *shrug* |
20:59:59 | preglow | it's a bug, and it would be fun if it got fixed |
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21:00:29 | petur | well if nobody tells them about their stupid bugs, how will they ever fix them? |
21:00:35 | amiconn | It won't be fixed in any version we can use, as the 3.4 branch is closed... |
21:00:45 | preglow | we're not the only people on this planet |
21:00:45 | petur | oh |
21:00:55 | preglow | not that i think anyone else uses the sh port.. |
21:01:14 | ep0ch | anyone know of a reliable ftp client that can handle a queue of 250,000 files? |
21:01:35 | Presence | tf4, http://wps.rockbox-lounge.com/ <−− a couple more wps packages for ipod video |
21:02:38 | amiconn | petur: Thing is, I told them of 2 bugs already. They prefer to ignore them... |
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21:02:45 | Presence | So, for shits, I read the RockBox manual just now. |
21:02:53 | Presence | Its a really good read. |
21:03:05 | Presence | I had no idea I was using RockBox "right", but I was. |
21:03:12 | Presence | yay for it being that damn intuitive! |
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21:04:56 | amiconn | Maybe I'll still file a report, but I don't have much hope that it will help anything :-/ |
21:05:03 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, but this time you've got a solution |
21:05:14 | amiconn | preglow: A partial solution... |
21:05:21 | preglow | beats nothing |
21:05:52 | lostlogic | can I edit the manual in vi? |
21:05:58 | preglow | why not |
21:05:59 | preglow | ? |
21:06:00 | preglow | i do |
21:06:16 | lostlogic | hmm, ok |
21:06:20 | petur | I'm adding a HZ/10 sleep between lcd_enable and backlight_on for H300 to get rid of the flash when using dark backgrounds. it looks enough to me - any objections before i commit? |
21:06:27 | amiconn | Actually, there are 2 bugs. The second one is the #pragma interrupt |
21:06:27 | * | lostlogic checks it out and fixes the crossfade section |
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21:06:49 | preglow | amiconn: that certainly won't be fixed |
21:06:57 | pixelma | is the one here who created the bigger cards in the solitaire plugin? |
21:06:59 | amiconn | Why not? |
21:07:10 | preglow | you don't have a solution :) |
21:07:18 | amiconn | mrf :( |
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21:07:32 | preglow | i can't possibly see anyone of the gcc people looking for solution for sh-gcc |
21:07:33 | preglow | no way |
21:07:39 | preglow | they're only interested in powerpc and x86 |
21:07:52 | carini | lostlogic: You around? |
21:08:01 | amiconn | I don't think this is sh specific |
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21:08:31 | amiconn | Maybe it's already fixed in 4.x, dunno |
21:09:54 | amiconn | Hmm, actually I should check the 4.x sources. Maybe the jumptable bug is fixed there... |
21:10:14 | amiconn | That would be ironic... |
21:10:38 | * | amiconn uses too many ellipses... |
21:10:42 | Mikachu | yes... |
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21:11:44 | lostlogic | carini: vaguely. |
21:11:46 | pixelma | I wonder if the current solitaire plugin has been tested on Archos devices - because on the small display it is almost not playable |
21:12:11 | pixelma | it was better before |
21:12:37 | carini | lostlogic: I just had the "resume on startup" problem. I can't seem to reproduce it with logf enabled, although I did get one instance where it dropped back to the file browser. The logf had a message "Buffering track:0/0". |
21:13:22 | * | amiconn goes cvs log hunting |
21:13:33 | lostlogic | carini: apparently that bug needs to be moved back to the "need fixing" category. feel free to do so. |
21:13:57 | bleaked | ok, so i enabled tagcache..uploaded an album, tested it, it worked great. so i plugged my device back in, filled the 2Gb drive, unmounted, rebooted the device, rockbox loaded, and now there's been a "Loading..." on the screen for over 20 minutes. also, tagcahce is configured to load into RAM. should it take this long? the wiki says 5-10 minutes. |
21:14:59 | bleaked | the LCD still glows when i touch the scroll wheel, so it still seems "responsive" |
21:15:32 | Mikachu | that's handled in interrupts, so it almost always works, even if everything is crashed |
21:17:21 | preglow | amiconn: doubt it's fixed |
21:18:17 | bleaked | well, is there a way i can bypass this thing from loading the cache? (i sort of need to go soon, and would like some tunes) |
21:19:25 | Lear | delete/move/rename the tagcache files in .rockbox. |
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21:20:27 | npsken | does any version of Rockbox support the gmini 120? |
21:20:47 | linuxstb | Nope. |
21:20:52 | * | npsken cries |
21:21:07 | petur | start a port? |
21:21:09 | linuxstb | It's an opportunity... |
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21:21:21 | * | linuxstb apologies for the ellipses |
21:21:26 | npsken | what about starting a port? |
21:21:40 | amiconn | pixelma: It seems tha the bigger cards were introduced with the adjustment to colour, made by Paprica and committed by LinusN on 20 Dec 2005 |
21:21:51 | linuxstb | A port was started, but it's abandoned. |
21:21:57 | npsken | why? |
21:22:15 | linuxstb | I'm guessing the only developer lost interest. No current developers own one. |
21:22:40 | amiconn | pixelma: This needs to be fixed before the 3.0 release... looks really nasty. Didn't notice it earlier, tss |
21:22:42 | npsken | I own one, but I guess I'm not a developer, I just know a little programming, like php and mysql |
21:23:10 | * | npsken will go away now |
21:23:11 | npsken | bye |
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21:23:30 | pixelma | I haven't played solitaire for a while so i didn't realised it earlier either |
21:24:17 | pixelma | amiconn: for the next release you could take the older version for Archos |
21:24:36 | amiconn | Yes, the old cardset can be readded for archos. |
21:25:09 | amiconn | I think we should go for the proper solution and convert the cardsets to bmp. Makes it easier to add more sets for the various screen resolutions |
21:25:36 | amiconn | You could also try to pixel better ones ;) |
21:25:40 | pixelma | sounds good |
21:25:58 | pixelma | i surely would go for that |
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21:28:48 | linuxstb | Looking at the solitaire source, it seems that there is just one set of bitmaps - but not the full cards, just the elements that make up the card, such as the numbers and suit symbols. |
21:29:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but check the changes for v 1.20 |
21:29:14 | amiconn | The symbols were much smaller before |
21:29:25 | amiconn | ..and the cardsize definitions too |
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21:30:08 | amiconn | This is what I call hiding one change within another. The commit msg says nothing about changed sizes... |
21:30:15 | linuxstb | That doesn't surprise me. Could we just re-insert those? It seems nice to have card components that are suitable for a range of LCD sizes - but maybe we need at least two sizes. |
21:30:59 | amiconn | Yes we could just reinsert them, but I think it's a good opportunity for adapting solitaire to your bmp build system |
21:31:16 | amiconn | In fact it's already partially adapted |
21:32:01 | linuxstb | Yes, I did that at some point. |
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21:34:27 | Lear | Anyone who knows what libssp in gcc is? |
21:34:33 | Lear | (Just being curious...) |
21:35:02 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll add solitaire to my list of things to do unless you have an overwhelming desire to do it. |
21:35:24 | bleaked | Lear. so i deleted all of the tagcache files, restarted teh device, and now it's loading again..do you think it will work, or is it just going to hang again? |
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21:36:42 | Lear | It certainly won't hang if you don't initiate a new tagcache build (but maybe it works if you do try again...). |
21:37:35 | bleaked | Lear. well, that's just it..i'm not initiating it..it's "Loading..." on boot..i cannot do anything..i cannot even access rockbox to even turn it off.. |
21:37:50 | Lear | Loading what? |
21:38:18 | bleaked | i see the status bar, the rockbox logo, and a yellow box with bold lettering that says, "Loading..." |
21:38:27 | bleaked | ever time i boot the device |
21:38:35 | bleaked | and this was ever since i enabled tagcache |
21:38:45 | Lear | Sounds like it tries to resume something. Resume set to auto? |
21:39:01 | bleaked | yea, i have resume playback on |
21:39:06 | bleaked | and come to think of it |
21:39:16 | bleaked | the song it was last playing has since been deleted. |
21:39:29 | Lear | Ouch, sounds like a bad bug... :/ |
21:39:35 | bleaked | so perhaps this is not even a tagcache problem? |
21:39:52 | bleaked | can i manually edit a config file from my pc to turn it off? |
21:40:11 | amiconn | bleaked: Try resetting the settings on boot. This should also kill the resume position |
21:40:14 | Lear | Nope, you'll have to force a setting reset on boot. |
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21:40:35 | bleaked | ok, what's the protocol to do such a thing? |
21:40:46 | amiconn | bleaked: ipod or iriver? |
21:40:54 | bleaked | pod |
21:41:11 | amiconn | Switch on Hold _immediately_ after powering on |
21:41:37 | bleaked | ah, very nice |
21:41:40 | bleaked | thank you, sir |
21:42:45 | Presence | I learned about the hold switch clearing sector 61 yesterday! |
21:43:36 | bleaked | so yea..i guess if one has resume on startup turned on, then pauses a song, then decides to change the music on the device, it will lock up on next boot. |
21:44:05 | bleaked | at least ostensibly |
21:44:13 | bleaked | i will test this further when i have more time. |
21:46:14 | sharpe | allo |
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21:48:00 | Lear | He, lots of warnings from gcc 4.1.0... :) |
21:49:37 | amiconn | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
21:49:55 | * | amiconn just found that the unsigned byte jumptable _should_ work |
21:50:19 | amiconn | It's just neither a .c nor a .h file where this is checked |
21:50:26 | amiconn | It's in sh.md |
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21:52:41 | DpK|Cronic | hi |
21:52:45 | DpK|Cronic | can anyone help me with doom? |
21:52:46 | DpK|Cronic | pls? |
21:52:57 | DpK|Cronic | the documention are not good :P |
21:53:13 | DpK|Cronic | he say the base wad failed? or is not loaded |
21:54:24 | scott666 | copy rockdoom.wad to /games/doom |
21:55:38 | DpK|Cronic | rocks/games/doom or? |
21:56:26 | DpK|Cronic | G:\.rockbox\rocks\games\doom right? |
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21:56:58 | midgey34 | G:/games/doom |
21:56:59 | PaulJam | no, in the root of your player: G:\games\doom |
21:57:36 | DpK|Cronic | ahh kk |
21:59:23 | ep0ch | i hope that gets changed for 3.0 |
22:00 |
22:00:34 | midgey34 | I vote for /.rockbox/doom |
22:00:45 | DpK|Cronic | when i loaded in the folder they can not play it |
22:00:48 | ep0ch | maybe use a /.rockbox/3rdparty/ and in there have doom, pacman, themes etc |
22:00:59 | PaulJam | or .rockbox/rocks/doom |
22:01:07 | Mikachu | .rockbox shouldn't be for user data imo |
22:01:21 | DpK|Cronic | when i browse the game/doom folder he not show me the .wad files ! |
22:01:39 | midgey34 | browse plugins, select doom |
22:01:44 | midgey34 | not in the browser |
22:01:47 | PaulJam | DpK|Cronic: open the plugin from the menu |
22:02:01 | DpK|Cronic | from the "open with" ? |
22:02:26 | DpK|Cronic | also i have it in G:\game\doom |
22:02:30 | midgey34 | no, go to browse plugins |
22:02:34 | PaulJam | in the main menu select "zeige plugins" |
22:02:35 | Lear | But isn't rockboy files in .rockbox? |
22:02:39 | DpK|Cronic | then i make my ipod on they show me root and game |
22:02:43 | DpK|Cronic | i klick on game/doom |
22:02:53 | midgey34 | Lear: rockboy is a viewer so no |
22:02:54 | DpK|Cronic | paul can speak german? |
22:02:55 | Myth1 | I need a quick hint: If I compile my new codec for iriver I get the following error: "/home/sinsch/src/rockbox/rockbox/apps/codecs/mod.c:563: undefined reference to `strncmp'", what did I miss? |
22:03:31 | Myth1 | compiles fine on the simulator though |
22:03:37 | Lear | must call through codec api, unless there's a macro hiding that. |
22:03:38 | PaulJam | yes |
22:03:45 | Lear | probably not the case for strncmp... |
22:04:05 | Myth1 | so how can I fix this? |
22:04:13 | freqmod | prefix with rb-> |
22:04:24 | Lear | Should be ci-> in a codec... |
22:04:43 | DpK|Cronic | paul ich hab das in den root ornder gesteckt wie jetzt weiter? |
22:04:57 | Myth1 | ci->strncmp()? |
22:05:00 | DpK|Cronic | im normalen "anfangs display" zeigt er mir ordner an nur die wad nich |
22:05:37 | Mikachu | Myth1: yes |
22:06:06 | Myth1 | ok, thanks. I guess the same goes for malloc |
22:06:07 | PaulJam | DpK|Cronic: press the button that brings you to the main menu (i don't know which one it is on ipod) |
22:06:08 | Lear | In the end, it depends on what you call the codec_api pointer... |
22:06:24 | Mikachu | since when does rockbox have malloc? |
22:06:36 | DpK|Cronic | ok und dann? |
22:06:54 | Lear | Only for codecs. |
22:06:59 | Lear | And it is a hack... |
22:07:03 | Mikachu | ah |
22:07:14 | PaulJam | then select "zeige plugins / browse plugins" and press select |
22:07:33 | DpK|Cronic | jo habsch |
22:07:39 | DpK|Cronic | dann doom |
22:07:40 | DpK|Cronic | ne? |
22:07:40 | freqmod | the doom plugin, does not it have a more complete malloc? Z_Zone.c? |
22:07:42 | Myth1 | hmm, structure has no member strncmp |
22:08:00 | Mikachu | then maybe the codec api doesn't give you strncmp |
22:08:00 | DpK|Cronic | aber dann sagt er missing base wad |
22:08:02 | DpK|Cronic | ! |
22:08:14 | midgey34 | did you copy rockdoom.wad? |
22:08:25 | Myth1 | ok, then I skip the check ;) |
22:08:25 | scott666 | I've copied rockdoom.wad and doom1. wad into I:\games\doom\ but when i run the Doom plugin I just get a black screen. |
22:08:25 | DpK|Cronic | too? |
22:08:29 | Mikachu | Myth1: there is only strncasecmp for some reason |
22:08:38 | DpK|Cronic | O.o |
22:08:38 | amiconn | Myth1: codec malloc() does _not_ need ci-> since it's not a core function |
22:08:42 | Mikachu | Myth1: and strcmp |
22:09:47 | Lear | And malloc is called codec_malloc. |
22:09:50 | Myth1 | ok, strncasecmp works fine. Is this case sensitive or not? |
22:10:02 | Mikachu | sens |
22:10:35 | Mikachu | if you need strncmp i guess you either need to add it to /firmware/common or internally in the codec |
22:10:43 | DpK|Cronic | PaulJam ? |
22:11:02 | DpK|Cronic | PaulJam also ich hab das jetzt drin in dem dingens ordner nur wenn ich den unter plugins starte sagt er immer noch "base wad failed" |
22:11:07 | Myth1 | strncasecmp should suffice |
22:11:11 | Mikachu | Myth1: or maybe it's just not exported |
22:11:24 | Mikachu | Myth1: you can try adding it to apps/codecs.c (and .h?) |
22:11:39 | PaulJam | moment (telefon) |
22:11:52 | Lear | strncmp exist in the core. |
22:11:59 | Mikachu | then it's just not exported |
22:12:07 | Myth1 | strncmp works fine in getmetadata, so I really wonder whats going on here |
22:12:33 | DpK|Cronic | PaulJam kannsu schneller machen? +g+ muss glecih off.. |
22:12:56 | Myth1 | anyway, it now compiles. Lets find out if it also works ;) |
22:12:58 | Mikachu | Myth1: for the sim, the linker will probably fall back on libc for strncmp |
22:13:35 | Lear | codec (or plugin) need to go through the api to access functions in the Rockbox core. Makes them less dependent on exact version of Rockbox. |
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22:17:05 | PaulJam | DpK|Cronic: do you have the files G:\games\doom\rockdoom.wad and G:\games\doom\doom1.wad on your player |
22:17:17 | DpK|Cronic | yes ! |
22:17:34 | DpK|Cronic | all other doom files can i delete? |
22:17:52 | PaulJam | then i have no idea what is wrong, sorry |
22:18:01 | DpK|Cronic | hmm... :/ |
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22:19:08 | Myth1 | damn, i have to reboot, my automount screwed it up |
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22:19:20 | scott666 | PaulJam: I've copied rockdoom.wad and doom1. wad into I:\games\doom\ but when i run the Doom plugin I just get a black screen. Any thoughts? |
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22:20:21 | midgey34 | DpK|Cronic: what happens when you load doom from the plugin menu? |
22:21:01 | DpK|Cronic | the sayed "Missing base wad" |
22:21:16 | scott666 | odnt listen to him; listen to me |
22:21:33 | scott666 | i have to go to work and show everyone how cool rockbox is |
22:21:34 | scott666 | heh |
22:21:46 | DpK|Cronic | midgey34 but i have the rock and the doom1.wad in the G:/games/doom folder ! |
22:22:18 | PaulJam | maybe the rockdoom.wad file is broken, you could try redownloading it |
22:23:35 | scott666 | ive done that several times |
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22:25:52 | DpK|Cronic | i have it but the same failer :( |
22:25:52 | midgey34 | hmm, well I don't have any problems here, and its working fine on the ipod 5g sim |
22:25:55 | petur | any objections that I close tasks 4752 and 4883 regarding usb insertion during playback (WPS screen)? My h300 does everything ok. |
22:25:56 | DpK|Cronic | base wad failed >.< |
22:26:12 | midgey34 | have you tried restarting your player? |
22:27:17 | DpK|Cronic | y |
22:28:04 | scott666 | DpK|Cronic: did you say you had the .rock file in X:\games\doom? |
22:28:06 | midgey34 | I can't think or why it wouldn't be working; I'm just throwing out ideas |
22:28:54 | DpK|Cronic | scott666 yes |
22:28:59 | DpK|Cronic | hmm no |
22:29:04 | PaulJam | does rockbox make a difference if the folder is called Games or games ? |
22:29:13 | petur | amiconn / Bagder / linuxstb /...? any objections that I close tasks 4752 and 4883 regarding usb insertion during playback (WPS screen)? My h300 does everything ok. |
22:29:16 | DpK|Cronic | i have the .wad files in the folder ! |
22:29:19 | DpK|Cronic | but not the .rock |
22:29:24 | scott666 | ok |
22:29:51 | DpK|Cronic | hmm.. can you send me a copy from the folders so i can sned it to my ipod? |
22:29:56 | DpK|Cronic | then must its go or? |
22:30:22 | DpK|Cronic | rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad are in G:\game\doom |
22:30:37 | PaulJam | game or games |
22:30:48 | DpK|Cronic | game |
22:31:06 | PaulJam | rename the folder to games |
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22:31:29 | DpK|Cronic | mom kk |
22:31:32 | Myth1 | ha, works like a charme |
22:31:33 | DpK|Cronic | testing |
22:31:46 | Myth1 | listening to startrecker mods right now on my h320 ;) |
22:31:55 | ep0ch | Myth1: noway!? |
22:32:04 | DpK|Cronic | ooooh xD its gone |
22:32:07 | DpK|Cronic | xDD thanks :P |
22:32:38 | midgey34 | scott666: what player do you have? |
22:32:46 | scott666 | ipod 5G 60GB |
22:33:02 | midgey34 | and you just get a black screen? |
22:33:06 | scott666 | yeah |
22:33:14 | scott666 | for a while I was getting a bunch of errors |
22:33:29 | DpK|Cronic | hmZz O.o why the computer play? XD |
22:33:34 | scott666 | failed to find PNames, blah blah blah |
22:33:42 | scott666 | and then finally Data Abort with some hex |
22:34:21 | Myth1 | I'm uploading a diff so everyone can test it |
22:34:23 | scott666 | so then i deleted the games folder, and added it back and re-downloaded rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad |
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22:34:47 | scott666 | and now doom.rock just hangs with a black screen |
22:34:52 | midgey34 | so you load doom, it says "Welcome to RockDoom", you can choose your wad, but when you select "play game" it crashes before getting to the title screen |
22:35:04 | midgey34 | or do you not even get that far |
22:35:16 | ep0ch | Myth1: for DUMB? it works in realtime? |
22:35:54 | scott666 | i dont even get that anymroe |
22:36:01 | scott666 | for a while i got that much |
22:36:05 | scott666 | but now i just get nothing |
22:36:29 | scott666 | i have to leave for work any minute now though |
22:36:51 | scott666 | ill back around again in ~6 hours |
22:37:02 | midgey34 | well, it crashes in the sim too |
22:37:08 | scott666 | cool! |
22:37:19 | scott666 | see if you can fix it before i get home :-) |
22:37:32 | PaulJam | scott666: you could try if it helps to remove the file default.dfg from the /games/doom/ folder (if it exists) |
22:37:48 | scott666 | it doesnt |
22:37:58 | scott666 | i tried using the installer too |
22:38:05 | scott666 | but that thing seems even more fucked up |
22:38:23 | Myth1 | ep0ch: No, its not dumb based. It's based on an old open source module player for GUS. I added a mixer myself and watched out for not using floating point operations. I guess its pretty fast |
22:38:59 | scott666 | im leaving now, later |
22:39:00 | elinenbe | youch! |
22:39:04 | ep0ch | Myth1: ahh what's it called? |
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22:39:24 | Myth1 | its called simplemod ;) |
22:39:31 | Myth1 | at least thats what I named it |
22:39:36 | Myth1 | ;) |
22:39:39 | ep0ch | :D |
22:40:28 | ep0ch | great can't wait to check it out, does it use any resampling? |
22:41:07 | Myth1 | it uses a mixer at 44.1khz with linear interpolation |
22:41:40 | midgey34 | well, I'm off as well. time to go buy a corsage. |
22:41:42 | ep0ch | nice :) |
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22:42:10 | amiconn | Myth1: w00t! |
22:42:29 | amiconn | Is the mixer configurable, i.e. could it mix to other frequencies than 44.1kHz? |
22:42:37 | amiconn | (guess it is) |
22:44:07 | Lear | lostlogic: on that bad seek (i.e., seek back into the next track), cur_ti->start_pos is all wrong. It should be around 19 MB, but is like 90 KB. |
22:44:15 | Myth1 | yes of course it can mix to other frequencies |
22:45:52 | amiconn | Myth1: I'm very interested in seeing the performance |
22:46:18 | petur | if a bugreport for a target seems fixed for that target but not another one, should the task be closed and recreated for the other target or modified to cover the other target. Or choose option c if my question is totally unclear :D |
22:46:21 | amiconn | If it's fast enough, I might port it to archos... |
22:46:51 | amiconn | Would be 73h l33t to have mod playback... |
22:46:52 | elinenbe | amiconn: do you think a May 1 release date is possible? |
22:47:08 | amiconn | elinenbe: I expect a delay of at least one week |
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22:47:30 | Myth1 | amiconn: What do you mean by "port it to archos"? Shouldn't this work automatically? |
22:47:35 | amiconn | nope |
22:47:44 | Myth1 | amiconn: why not? |
22:47:44 | amiconn | Archos is hwcodec, not swcodec |
22:48:01 | amiconn | It has a slow cpu, and can normally only play mp3 |
22:48:10 | Myth1 | how fast is the archos cpu? |
22:48:26 | amiconn | 11MHz in the recorders, 12MHz in the Ondios |
22:49:23 | Myth1 | uh, thats really slow |
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22:49:52 | amiconn | We recently got permission to use the pcm codec for the MAS chip, and now there's a wavplay plugin |
22:50:37 | amiconn | ...but playing wav isn't much fun on archos. The archoses have only 2MB RAM, so the disk spins up every ~10 seconds... |
22:52:51 | ep0ch | does ADPCM work on archos? |
22:52:58 | amiconn | Not yet |
22:53:10 | amiconn | The wavplay plugin is meant as a preview |
22:53:32 | amiconn | WAV playback needs to be integrated into the playback engine, but that's post-3.0 stuff |
22:54:44 | ep0ch | Myth1: which formats does it support so i can prepare a mod collection in advance for testing? :) |
22:55:00 | Presence | thats so rad, .mod music support. |
22:55:05 | amiconn | It pretty much requires unification of the 2 playback engines, which in turn requires more work on the swcodec one |
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22:55:33 | amiconn | (splitting the source file into several parts, and making the code more compact) |
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22:55:59 | Presence | by building .mod support, are you implying like .s3m screamtrackers or .xm support too? |
22:56:53 | Myth1 | ep0ch: It plays startrecker/protracker 4-8 channels modules. But it think there is still a bug with modules > 4 channels (some channels are muted, but it worked once) |
22:57:23 | Myth1 | Presence: No xm yet, but I can do this, too. This is however far more complicated :( |
22:57:33 | Presence | hah, I can't begin to imagine. |
22:57:55 | Presence | freaking how rad, though, classic! <3 |
22:59:14 | amiconn | It seems I hafta join the gcc channel... |
22:59:56 | amiconn | :-// |
22:59:58 | Myth1 | here you go: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241 |
23:00 |
23:00:07 | ep0ch | already there :p |
23:00:15 | Myth1 | ;) |
23:00:54 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 19 minutes and 47 seconds at the last flood |
23:00:54 | * | petur wonders if lostlogics refactoring maybe fixed bug 4754 |
23:02:04 | Mikachu | Myth1: trying on ipod nano |
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23:03:50 | Myth1 | please make sure not to load modules larger than 486kbyte! |
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23:04:18 | Mikachu | my only .mod is 250kB :) |
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23:07:15 | Mikachu | Myth1: it seems to work, it doesn't seem to sound exactly like i remember it though |
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23:07:32 | Mikachu | Myth1: also the time meter goes like 3 seconds per second |
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23:07:46 | Myth1 | oh thats true ;) |
23:07:55 | Myth1 | guess thats why its 0.1 ;) |
23:08:01 | Mikachu | heh |
23:08:01 | Myth1 | does it sound wrong? |
23:08:07 | Mikachu | yeah |
23:08:14 | Myth1 | can you send me the mod? |
23:08:20 | Mikachu | mikachu.ath.cx/slask/orgasmod.mod |
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23:08:53 | Mikachu | it's mostly right |
23:10:08 | ep0ch | amiconn: there is hope for archos, no boosting on ihp for 4 channel mods |
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23:10:29 | ep0ch | Myth1: thanks its good :) |
23:10:45 | Presence | hahah, orgasmod!! Future Crew represent! |
23:11:13 | Myth1 | Mikachu: What is exactly wrong? As I don't know the original I can't hear it |
23:11:22 | Mikachu | Myth1: that sound in the beginning sounds like it's too slow or something |
23:11:30 | Mikachu | Myth1: you don't have a mod player? :) |
23:11:36 | Presence | one's built into winamp. |
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23:12:00 | Myth1 | Mikachu: No, none installed here ;) What do you recommend? |
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23:12:21 | Mikachu | no idea, i have a libmodplug and libmikmod in my music player |
23:12:27 | Mikachu | i can oggify it |
23:12:49 | Myth1 | can xmms play mods? |
23:13:03 | Mikachu | don't remember |
23:13:29 | Presence | its a plugin for xmms |
23:13:30 | Presence | http://modplug-xmms.sourceforge.net/ |
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23:13:45 | Presence | built into videolan. |
23:13:54 | Mikachu | Myth1: mikachu.ath.cx/slask/orgasmod.ogg |
23:13:58 | markun | my xmms is compiled with mikmod |
23:14:10 | ep0ch | Myth1: your mod player does adds a little stereo width too? |
23:14:21 | ep0ch | s/adds/add |
23:14:27 | Mikachu | Myth1: sounds like the sound should be periodically muted, but isn't in your player |
23:15:29 | Myth1 | ep0ch: It balances the voice on both channels (left=16, right=0), channel balancing: 4,12,12,4 |
23:17:09 | ep0ch | k |
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23:18:10 | goffa | does the h140 use the same cross compiler as the x5? |
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23:18:21 | ep0ch | Myth1: i think i get slight clipping |
23:18:40 | Bagder | goffa: yes |
23:18:43 | goffa | cool |
23:18:54 | goffa | i won't have to do anything when my new player comes then :) |
23:19:48 | Myth1 | Mikachu: How many channels does this song use? |
23:20:23 | Myth1 | hmm, its 4 channel protracker |
23:20:29 | Mikachu | yes |
23:20:34 | Mikachu | that's what file told me at least |
23:20:34 | Myth1 | i have to check this |
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23:21:23 | HCl | woot :D |
23:21:55 | RedBreva_ | bluebrother: You there? |
23:22:03 | bluebrother | yes, shortly. |
23:22:42 | RedBreva_ | I have just installed linux on the laptop and am having some diffs building the manual... |
23:22:52 | RedBreva_ | Warning: pdflatex (file /var/lib/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map): inv |
23:22:52 | RedBreva_ | alid entry for `umju24': too big value of ExtendFont (2) |
23:23:14 | RedBreva_ | What have i forgotten to install? |
23:23:26 | RedBreva_ | or is something missing from Path |
23:23:28 | bluebrother | uuuh. What distro? |
23:23:34 | RedBreva_ | Suse10 |
23:24:23 | bluebrother | hmm, my experience on SuSE is some years old. |
23:24:56 | RedBreva_ | I am getting absolutly LOADs of these error, but the pdf seems to actually build |
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23:25:39 | bluebrother | strange. Maybe it replaces the fonts with different. |
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23:26:15 | julius | hi all |
23:26:54 | julius | I would just ask you for some help on getting itrip fm transmiter to work on a rockbox system, so here are my foundings: |
23:27:03 | julius | I tested the dock connector with the original firmware and there is a power output as explained here http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector with a voltage of 3.3 |
23:27:07 | bluebrother | you could try running texhash. I have no idea if it helps, but I think it won't hurt. |
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23:27:15 | julius | but the problem is that if I run the rockbox firmware there is no power at all at the dock connector |
23:27:30 | julius | could someone please help me to somehow turn the power supply on ? please?! |
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23:30:12 | petur | julius: there's no info on that page how to enable it. I gather the ipl people know how to switch it on/off? |
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23:30:50 | RedBreva_ | no, made no difference... |
23:31:14 | RedBreva_ | is there a specify font package that is required |
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23:31:53 | julius | petur, I just asked them on the ipodlinux channel, and they say I should direct any problems like this to you guys |
23:32:08 | Mikachu | hah |
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23:33:22 | preglow | hahah |
23:33:33 | preglow | they most certainly know better than us |
23:33:36 | preglow | being their source code, and all |
23:33:54 | julius | I thought that soo, but they still sent me here :) |
23:34:26 | julius | could some from the devel team ask them, maybe that way they will give more info on it |
23:34:47 | julius | btw: the sound works greate, only the power is missing from the dock connector |
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23:36:17 | petur | julius: from what I read on the pages, the 3.3V is supposed to be just there (always)? They mention nothing about enabling it |
23:36:34 | julius | petur, yes but it's not |
23:36:38 | julius | thats the problem :) |
23:36:49 | chi | is rockbox linux? |
23:36:53 | Mikachu | no |
23:36:54 | Bagder | chi: nope |
23:37:01 | Bagder | rockbox is Rockbox! |
23:37:12 | dwihno | YOU is Rockbox! |
23:37:17 | muesli__ | lol |
23:37:26 | preglow | hahaha, so we've got a mod player too, now? |
23:37:41 | dwihno | preglow: in the tracker? |
23:37:45 | preglow | yeah |
23:37:47 | KlrSpz | http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6072/11460245670076es.jpg |
23:37:54 | petur | julius: http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:aQaDuI8VBHYJ:forums.ipodlounge.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3Ddce8538116225da193365bc9e7f14d5c%26threadid%3D14723%26goto%3Dnextnewest+Dock+Connector+ipod+linux+power+enable&hl=en&gl=be&ct=clnk&cd=4 |
23:37:58 | chi | i saw some refrences to "root" on it so i was wondering heh |
23:38:03 | dwihno | preglow: have you checked it out? |
23:38:06 | petur | sorry 4 the long link) |
23:38:20 | preglow | dwihno: mno |
23:38:25 | preglow | but i'm gonna |
23:38:43 | dwihno | mod support is kinda sweet |
23:39:01 | preglow | i haven't got any .mod files anymore, though |
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23:39:56 | midgey34 | so, theoretically 3.1 could have sid, mod, and wma assuming marsdaddy's work goes well |
23:40:06 | julius | petur, ye, I just did the same thing as explaind here: http://ipod.hackaday.com/entry/1234000393065371/ and if I run the original firmware I have power, but if I use rockbox, the power is down |
23:40:21 | midgey34 | and a chance for the new aac decoder posted on ffmpeg mailing list if its in fixed point by then |
23:40:24 | Myth1 | does anyone know how I can adjust the struct alignment? |
23:40:35 | Myth1 | something like #pragma pack(0) on visual studio |
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23:40:57 | Bagder | struct S { short f[3]; } __attribute__ ((aligned (8))); |
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23:41:13 | Presence | heh |
23:41:15 | Myth1 | thanks |
23:41:44 | petur | julius: i have no knowledge of ipl (don't even have an ipod) so if anybody else here can help? Or ask the ipl people where in their source the power is anabled? |
23:41:54 | preglow | what's up with the codec memory limitation mentioned in the patch? |
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23:42:19 | Bagder | ... but pack 0 might mean __attribute__ ((packed)) ? |
23:42:35 | bluebrother | RedBreva_: hmm, man updmap tells me: updmap - Update font map files for TeX output drivers. |
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23:42:37 | julius | petur, thanks a lot for the help, I'm just asking them, and it seems they try to help me, so if I found something I get back to you guys |
23:42:47 | bluebrother | maybe running this could help |
23:43:12 | bluebrother | on my machine (fc5) the files are in the tetex-fonts package. Maybe this is the same on Suse. |
23:43:13 | RedBreva_ | OK, I'll try it... |
23:46:00 | RedBreva_ | hmm, it reconfigured several files, but the manual build still has all the same errors... :( |
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23:47:06 | Myth1 | gotta go, see you later guys |
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23:47:22 | RedBreva_ | no tetex-fonts package on Yast :( |
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23:49:14 | bluebrother | you could look if any package owns the files. rpm -qf <yourfileinquestion> |
23:51:21 | linuxstb | julius: You should check the CVS history for the IPL kernel - the important bits are here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/ |
23:51:29 | linuxstb | julius: This diff looks promising: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/hardware.c?r1=1.11&r2=1.12 |
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23:52:06 | amiconn | preglow: The gcc people aren't really helpful :/ |
23:52:31 | amiconn | They were pointing me at the rtl output, but I have no idea what to check that for |
23:53:14 | preglow | amiconn: i know they're not |
23:53:19 | preglow | i've been hanging around them for almost a month |
23:53:37 | amiconn | Something goes rather wrong. I know where, but I don't know why |
23:54:06 | amiconn | Do you know anything about this rtl stuff |
23:54:08 | amiconn | ? |
23:55:08 | preglow | very, very little |
23:55:09 | linuxstb | julius: Try searching for this comment: "/* to power up the 3.3V pin + ?? */" in the diff I linked to you. Those three writes to the PCF chip seem to be what you are looking for. |
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23:55:43 | bluebrother | RedBreva_: sorry, can't help you at the moment. Need to grab some sleep now. My day was kinda exhausting. |
23:55:44 | bluebrother | cu |
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23:56:29 | preglow | amiconn: know anything about why nothing uses that variable? |
23:56:47 | amiconn | I was wrong, the flag is supposed to be evaluated |
23:57:06 | julius | linuxstb, but it seems there is no solution for that yet, but anyway, it was a greate help, now I know what to show the ipodlinux people |
23:57:07 | amiconn | The code is neither in a .c nor in a .h file, that's why I overlooked it |
23:57:07 | preglow | even though it's never mentioned in the source? |
23:57:12 | preglow | ahh |
23:57:13 | preglow | md? |
23:57:15 | amiconn | yes |
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23:58:11 | preglow | weird, though, i think i did a grep through all files |
23:58:17 | linuxstb | julius: What do you mean "there is no solution" ? If I was you, I would try those lines. |
23:58:51 | julius | linuxstb, it says: /* to power up the 3.3V pin + ?? */ with ???? and there is no command below the comment |
23:58:59 | linuxstb | Some people have reported that certain accessories work with IPL, but not Rockbox - so we are definitely not doing something they are. |