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#rockbox log for 2006-04-30

00:00:00markunI thought there was a free assembler for the dsp
00:00:09Bagderyes
00:00:28Bagderbut there's no docs for the DM320
00:00:30preglowti dsp, yes?
00:00:38BagderC5409 dsp
00:00:44BagderTI
00:00:49preglowi only coded motorola dsps
00:01:43Bagderamiconn: and the 4.0.X is the best?
00:01:51amiconnYes
00:02:23amiconnThere's a strange warning in sudoku.c still - a variable might be used uninitialized.
00:02:24Bagderit struck me that we can let configure check gcc version and change options depending on that
00:02:27Bagderduring transition
00:02:52amiconnThis warning doesn't pop up on ipod, even though ipod also uses gcc 4
00:03:00Mikachumaybe it's ifdeffed?
00:03:09amiconnNope
00:03:31amiconnsudoku.c:353
00:03:39amiconngcc complains about x and y
00:03:44amiconn(on SH)
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00:04:35amiconnnum is used in the same way - but gcc doesn't complain about num
00:04:52Bagderno, num is used differently
00:05:01Bagderwithin the scan() at least
00:05:25amiconnAh, you think gcc inlines scan() ?
00:05:33Bagderjust a thought
00:05:45amiconnMight in fact happen - that's what exposed the asm bugs in ata.c
00:05:55Bagderit is only used once too
00:06:18Mikachuisn't it silly to say it's unused if it inlines a function via them?
00:06:35amiconnNot unused, uninitialized
00:06:48Bagderand the warning seems accurate to me
00:06:59amiconnNot to me
00:07:12amiconnHmm, in fact it does
00:07:41amiconnThe pointers are passed to scan() - but that doesn't mean scan() _has_ to write something back
00:08:04amiconnOkay, I'll init to zero
00:10:11Bagderamiconn: my vote goes for detecting a patched version and then enable -Os and otherwise just do like today
00:10:28Bagderduring a period
00:10:33Mikachuyou could print a helpful message too
00:10:38Bagderyes
00:10:41amiconnHmm. Perhaps print a notice message about missing patch and or old gcc?
00:10:57Bagdera big message with a pointer to more info
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00:16:15amiconnPatches uploaded
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00:17:30amiconnWhen detecting a patched gcc, we want -Os instead of -O
00:18:02amiconnFurthermore, we do want -Wno-pointer-sign for gcc 4 like for all other gcc 4 builds
00:19:25 Quit Spacksaw ("I'm off, see ya later!")
00:19:48BagderI can fix the detect and have a gcc 4.0.X for SH setup for my build servers tomorrow
00:20:08amiconn...and the script should warn when detecting an unpatched gcc, or a gcc < 4.0
00:20:18amiconn(2 different warnings)
00:20:22Bagderyes
00:21:14amiconnThe patched version identifies itself as "gcc-Version 4.0.3 (rockbox patch #1)" when called with sh-elf-gcc -v
00:22:00amiconnI will prepare such a compiler on my amd64
00:22:42amiconnThe good thing is that building the sh crosscompiler is way faster than with 3.3.x, since we don't need to build with newlib anymore
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00:33:17Bagderamiconn: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/configure-gcc4-sh.patch
00:33:23Bagdera first shot at it
00:33:36Bagdernow I need to sleep
00:33:53preglowamiconn: i'm wondering if we perhaps should continue using the simple linear interpolator for the pitch screen, even if we move on to better resamplers
00:34:17amiconnNite Bagder!
00:34:18mirakhi
00:34:32preglowi don't know if i'm eager to add "quickly calculatable coefs" as a design constraint
00:34:50amiconnWas just about to ask why...
00:34:54mirakI have a friend that took a belt, took a belt and hung himself, hung himself in the doorway of the appartment where he lived
00:35:05miraknice song
00:35:30mirakwell at first I wanted to say I have a friend who have the gmini 402 with the integrated camera
00:35:35mirakthat's really impressive
00:35:45amiconnpreglow: You did manage to make the current resampler click meanwhile?
00:35:48preglowamiconn: yes
00:35:54preglownot quite sure why it does yet
00:35:58preglowi can only make upsample() do it
00:36:14mirakI think I would have bought it instead of the H320 if it came earlier, however it doesn't support ogg. I think archos dropped ogg support
00:36:19amiconnPerhaps it happens when switching samplerates a lot
00:36:22mirakor never had. I am not sure
00:36:34amiconnI had it happen quite often when playing my mp3 testset
00:36:38Mikachui think they only ever had mp3
00:36:39preglowamiconn: that's quite besides the point, it happens when using a steady resampling ratio
00:36:58preglowthere's no reason it shouldn't handle changing the rate a lot
00:38:53amiconnIt should handle it, yes. but it seems to fail on that
00:39:09amiconnOnce it starts clicking, it also clicks for integer upsample ratios
00:39:15amiconn(22.05 -> 44.1)
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00:43:15*amiconn wonders whether it's possible on linux to "redirect" paths, i.e. makes one user "see" paths different than others
00:43:25Mikachuit is
00:43:35preglowamiconn: is this from recent testing?
00:43:41Mikachubut it's not very well supported in userspace yet
00:44:02amiconnWould be handy for preparing a new gcc for replacing the old one, with the same prefix, but without removing the old one beforehand
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00:45:11*amiconn is trying to build sh-elf-gcc 4.0.3 on cygwin and linux-amd64
00:45:26amiconnMikachu: How?
00:45:37Mikachuprivate mounts
00:45:42Mikachui think they call it
00:45:51*amiconn asks google
00:46:01Mikachumaybe namespaces also helps
00:47:34Mikachui'm not sure if you need to go to such lengths though
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00:48:30amiconnI don't want to kill the automated builds while building the new gcc
00:48:56Mikachuwon't make install just take a few seconds though?
00:49:35amiconnBut perhaps I should just prepare a secondary gcc 3.3.6 with a different prefix, then switch paths in rbclient's script, then building the real thing
00:49:46Paul_The_NerdYou could do something like, install it to someplace outside the path, then change the path.
00:50:11amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: That won't work due to the silly way linux handles libraries and such
00:50:23Mikachuhaha
00:50:25Paul_The_NerdAaaah
00:50:33Mikachusorry, that was too funny
00:50:41amiconnMikachu: Hardcoding paths in the binary _is_ silly
00:50:59Mikachuyou're talking about rpath?
00:51:09amiconnThat's one area where I think the windows way is better
00:51:30Mikachuno point in arguing about that here
00:51:30amiconn(looking for libraries in the search path instead of just one hardcoded place)
00:52:04Mikachutake a look at /etc/ld.so.conf and $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
00:52:21Mikachuand possibly chrpath
00:52:55Mikachuand if gcc is hardcoding the paths to its helper binaries, which i don't think it does, it's not a linux problem
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01:40:39Mikachured idiot?
01:41:03preglowis that me?
01:41:13Mikachuno, akaidiota
01:42:20preglowred diota?
01:42:37preglowthis makes no sense!!
01:42:40Mikachuaka is also red
01:42:45preglowi though akai was red
01:42:46Mikachubut in noun form
01:42:52Mikachuakai is adjective
01:43:01preglowriht
01:43:02preglowright
01:43:06XavierGrakai I thought was red too!
01:43:11preglowthis just happens to be one of the few words i still remember
01:43:14Mikachupossibly the only language where colors are nouns
01:43:18preglowso i'm lucky i wasn't more wrong
01:43:32Mikachumaybe he combined the i:s
01:43:37Mikachuor maybe it's something completely different
01:43:40akaidiotahow did I become the subject of attention? Without me sating anything..?
01:43:45akaidiota*saying
01:43:53preglowakaidiota: your irc script did the talking
01:43:55XavierGraka = also know as (also)
01:44:02akaidiotahuh, what did it say?
01:44:04XavierGr^known
01:44:08preglowakaidiota: just kidding, heh
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01:44:14Mikachuakaidiota: you must explain your nick
01:44:24akaidiotaaka = also known as
01:44:28akaidiotaidiot = me
01:44:36XavierGrha ha I won!
01:44:39Mikachuah
01:44:49preglowsurprise
01:44:50akaidiotaI took it from a The Hives song
01:45:09akaidiotanamed...... A.K.A IDIOT
01:45:29XavierGrand the a in the end?
01:45:44akaidiotawell it's my 2nd nick in mIRC
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01:46:06akaidiothappy now?
01:46:08akaidiot=)
01:46:15Mikachuyes :)
01:46:16preglowNOT AT ALL
01:46:19Mikachuoh
01:46:22preglowpick one
01:46:35Mikachu1
01:46:40XavierGrhehe
01:46:42preglowbah, you're no fun
01:46:50Mikachuwhat did i win?
01:47:52amiconnSomeone with an fm recorder around?
01:47:58akaidiotSince we're in #rockbox I thought we'd talk about rockbox.. Can the Video iPod version play video?
01:48:09preglownot with rockbox
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01:48:31akaidiotcan it record audio?
01:48:54XavierGryes
01:49:03XavierGrnot on iPod video though
01:49:06Mikachuheh
01:49:49amiconnnot _yet_ I think
01:50:01preglowonly iriver has recording yet
01:50:04preglowand the code really shows it
01:50:11akaidiotcan you have iPod firmware boot and only boot rockbox when I choose to?
01:50:18amiconnpreglow: and archos
01:50:19preglowit will need a bit of work for other platforms
01:50:32preglowamiconn: well, yes, i mean swcodec
01:51:02akaidiotI remeber when I had a archos jukebox 6000 and discovered rockbox! Man did the original firmware SUCK!
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01:55:26preglowmy first was the h120
01:55:30preglowwhich i still have and cherish
01:55:33preglowbest player ever
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01:56:01preglowi was moderately satisfied by the iriverfw, though no gapless playback and all the bugs annoyed me
01:56:53dpassen1it was usable
01:57:03dpassen1nothing more
01:57:32preglowyeah
01:58:18dpassen1in fact, there's probably only one thing I preferred in the original iRiver firmware (iHP-120)
01:58:31XavierGrso preglow you are an iriver guy, wow I had forgotten about it.
01:58:37*amiconn deems the H1x0 retail firmware worse than the archos recorder rretail firmware
01:58:40XavierGrwith all this iPod stuff :P
01:58:58XavierGramiconn: you are not so fare.
01:59:05dpassen1On startup, whether or not it was intended, there would be a noice that would signify that the player was able to receive button presses, so I could start it and resume playback without removing it from my pocket.
01:59:07XavierGrIt is crap but not the worst.
01:59:29XavierGr^fiar
01:59:32XavierGrgrrrr
01:59:34XavierGr^fair
01:59:42dpassen1It didn't force proprietary software, so its far from the worst.
01:59:54preglowamiconn: how? from the descriptions, the archos firmware seems to be the shitties one ever created
02:00
02:00:05XavierGrdpassen1: exactly
02:00:22preglowoh, and it was pure file mode!
02:00:24preglownothing fancy
02:00:25preglowthat i liked
02:00:41amiconnpreglow: I didn't say archos firmware was good. If it were, rockbox probably wouldn't exist
02:01:04dpassen1Funny that 2.5 years later, I still think the iHP-1x0 is the best player around.
02:01:41amiconnBut then, the archos firmware could be operated without the manual, which I can't say about the H1x0 firmware
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02:02:26preglowi had no big troubles not using the manual
02:02:32amiconnNote that I'm talking about recorder here, player stock firmware might be worse but I cannot judge about that
02:02:32XavierGrdpassen1: me too, though I bought an H300 just in case.
02:02:38preglowit had so few possibilities that it wasn't very hard, heh
02:02:53dpassen1XavierGr: I'm starting to worry about a just in case player
02:03:02dpassen12.5 years of daily use is a lot to ask
02:03:53preglowi want a backup h140
02:04:01BHSPitLappyI want a backup car
02:04:04preglowi can't see another player as good as it coming out for a good bloody while
02:04:06preglowi want a car :>
02:04:07BHSPitLappyand then I want a car car.
02:04:35BHSPitLappyI want a backup me :/
02:04:50preglowsounds too cumbersome
02:04:54*amiconn curses bloody cygwin
02:05:02dpassen1I figure an X5 is the best choice for a backup
02:05:06BHSPitLappyhow awesome would it be to have an identical twin the State didn't know about :P
02:05:07dpassen1Once power management is improved
02:05:12XavierGrpreglow: I won an iHP-115 should I keep it or sell, what;s your opinion?
02:05:38preglowXavierGr: i'd probably keep it, though it depends if you need money
02:06:09XavierGrwell I now have all models, H140, H340 and H115 so something is spare right now...
02:06:42preglowh3x0 is ok, i guess, but i don't want the crappy colour lcd
02:06:46preglowand i like spdif
02:06:58amiconnH115 takes the same physical HD size as H120?
02:07:03XavierGryes
02:07:21XavierGrbut has 16mb memory from what I know
02:07:24amiconnSo it should be upgradeable to 30GB
02:07:28amiconnyes
02:07:31XavierGryes
02:07:38XavierGrecho
02:07:38preglowamiconn: btw, did you see the XTRIM possibility on coldfire?
02:07:40XavierGr:p
02:07:53XavierGrXTRIM?
02:07:58preglowyou can tune the sysclk
02:08:13preglow48khz playback...
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02:10:21ManaSamahello is anyone here?
02:10:35preglowmight need another type of xtal than we do, thoguh
02:10:35amiconnpreglow: Iiuc this is for recording not playback
02:10:46preglowamiconn: i think playback would benefit all the same
02:10:48amiconn...and I don't see how a 150ppm range would help us
02:11:21ManaSamai am trying to instal the rockbox and when i am in command promt it says "ERROR locking disk Access is denied"
02:11:25preglowif you can't tune it more than then, then hell no
02:11:40preglowplayer type?
02:11:46ManaSamawhile im typing in " ipodpatcher 0
02:11:48preglowusing itunes?
02:11:53ManaSamame?
02:11:55preglowyes
02:12:00ManaSamai have itunes yes
02:12:01amiconnpreglow: MCF5249UM.pdf p. 319
02:12:06preglowit sounds like itunes has locked the disk
02:12:08preglowexit itunes
02:12:23ManaSamaits not open
02:12:40ManaSamabut i exited Itunes updater
02:12:41BHSPitLappyget into task manager and kill iTunes, iPodService, whatever you have to
02:12:43preglowamiconn: yeah, see
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02:12:51ManaSamaokok i will go to task right now
02:13:13preglowarghh
02:13:13ManaSamaok done
02:13:16ManaSamaill try again now
02:13:21preglowthis reminds me i need to finish spdif recording before i just abandon it
02:14:17ManaSamastill same problem
02:14:24ManaSamahmm shoudl i restardt?
02:14:27ManaSamarestart?
02:14:31XavierGrpreglow: go go go
02:14:39preglowmanasama: always worth a shot, but i doubt it'll help
02:14:51BHSPitLappygo for it, preggerz!
02:15:01ManaSamai have music already on my ipod should i restore it to factory settings?
02:15:06ManaSamaand videos
02:15:07preglowhell, not now
02:15:12preglowi'm having whisky now :>
02:15:17BHSPitLappyManaSama: not unless you want to lose everything.
02:15:25ManaSamaoh!
02:15:26BHSPitLappyhave you unplugged and re-plugged the iPod?
02:15:42ManaSamaitunes opens when i plug it in should i change that setting also?
02:15:46ManaSamain itunes
02:15:47BHSPitLappyprobably
02:15:50ManaSamaok
02:16:07ManaSamayea the now playing themes r beautiful
02:16:12BHSPitLappyplug it in, go to the iPod settings in iTunes, and set it to Manual instead of Automatic update
02:16:13ManaSamathis is real intresting i want to try
02:16:47ManaSamathis rockbox is worth it yea?
02:16:55preglownice to hear you see it that way :)
02:16:57preglowsure, we think so
02:17:03preglowprimarily because we make it, but yeah...
02:17:13ManaSamawow u guys r great ii hope to get this working ^^
02:18:41amiconnpreglow: Hmm, now that you mention it, do we enable xtrim in rockbox
02:18:44amiconn?
02:18:51preglownot that i know of
02:18:55amiconnIiuc iriver does enable it.
02:18:59amiconn*Iirc
02:19:03preglowi've no idea
02:19:22preglowit would make sense for what they say in the manual
02:19:29preglowbut i really don't have any trouble with clock accuracy
02:19:46preglownot for 44.1khz, at any rate
02:19:47amiconnMaybe not enabling xtrim causes the sporadic hangs, if the input clock is slightly off
02:20:04preglowwhy?
02:20:08ManaSamado i need to unzip the files in the IPOD PATCHER file to the rockbox
02:20:18ManaSamafolder
02:20:26BHSPitLappyipod patcher is a program you use on the pc
02:20:33BHSPitLappyit doesn't need to be on the ipod itself.
02:20:44preglowamiconn: recording is what hangs, not playback, and recording works great at whatever rate i throw at it, even 96khz
02:21:01amiconnI'm talking about recording...
02:21:13preglowi know, but i use playback for monitoring
02:21:31preglowthe only reason i can see for using xtrim is to sync up the iis clock to the spdif clock
02:21:40amiconnI think it synchronises properly to any standard bitrate, but if the input bitrate is _sligthly_ off, it may hang
02:22:19preglowand i think it just plain and simple uses the input clock to clock the samples into the fifo
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02:22:32preglowanything else would be insane
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02:23:10MembrilloBagder, you here?
02:23:15ManaSamawhile typing " ipodpatcher 0 " ect should i type it while the ipod says "do not dissconnect"?
02:23:22ManaSamain the cmd
02:23:36preglowyea
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02:23:54preglowi think so, at least
02:24:01ManaSamaomg
02:24:05ManaSamaman why isnt this working
02:24:15preglowi don't know, i never installed it from windows :/
02:24:28ManaSamaahhh! is that wats wrong
02:24:43preglowinstalling from windows?
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02:24:49preglowno, that should work just good
02:25:00ManaSamahmmm
02:25:06Paul_The_NerdWhat's the problem?
02:25:11ManaSamaits when i type in the command prompt
02:25:19ManaSamai type "ipodpatcher 0" ect.........
02:25:21ManaSamaand its says
02:25:24ManaSamaaccess denied
02:25:32ManaSamaerror locking disk
02:25:39amiconnYou need admin rights to run ipodpatcher
02:25:46ManaSamai have rockbox folder in C:rockbox and all the files in there
02:26:02amiconnstandard user doesn't have direct device access
02:26:18ManaSamais that wt is messing me up?
02:26:27ManaSamawat*
02:27:32preglowdepends if you're admin or not
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02:28:15ManaSamadam
02:28:22ManaSamahas anyone installed this from windows before?
02:29:48Paul_The_NerdManaSama: I have. As Amiconn said, you have to be using an admin account. Are you?
02:30:20ManaSamanope
02:30:40ManaSamathat affects what im doing on my computer?
02:30:54Paul_The_NerdYes.
02:31:02ManaSamaok how can i get a admin account?
02:31:12BHSPitLappywhose computer is it?
02:31:16ManaSamamy cpmputer
02:31:17*amiconn just added a note to IpodInstallation
02:31:23BHSPitLappythen you probably have an admin account.
02:31:28Paul_The_NerdBy default your account is an administrator one, unless you created a separate user account.
02:31:33BHSPitLappyif you're allowed to install programs, you're an admin.
02:31:37*Mikachu applauds windows security
02:31:39ManaSamayes i am
02:31:46ManaSamathis is the only acount on the computer
02:31:56Paul_The_NerdOkay, then does your iPod show up as a disk drive? What drive letter is it?
02:31:56ManaSamai thought u were talking about a account here on mirc
02:31:57ManaSamalol
02:32:03preglowhaha
02:32:20ManaSamawhen i plug it in a folder pops up with like "notes and calender" then closes
02:32:27ManaSamait doesnt show right now and its only charging
02:32:35Paul_The_NerdThen you've not set up your iPod properly
02:32:39Paul_The_NerdIt *must* be set to show up as a disk
02:32:46ManaSamaomg how can i do that
02:33:13ManaSamai skipped registering it , is that a problem?
02:33:17ManaSamafrom itunes
02:33:27Paul_The_NerdWell, it sounds like you have iTunes set to automatically eject it after syncing is done. So you probably want to disable that, first. You should check either the instructions for the iPod, or the iTunes help for that one.
02:37:53ManaSamawen the folder comes up it shows ad L:
02:38:39ManaSamaok it is in the my computer as L:
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02:40:17Paul_The_NerdAlright, now you need to do the ipodpatcher thing. I can't predict what number it'll be, but it _might_ be somewhat high if it's L.
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02:40:46preglowamiconn: and btw, all spdif clock sources i've seen tend to fluctuate somewhat, which makes keeping the clocks perfectly synced somewhat hard anyway
02:40:55ManaSamaok whats the ipod patcher thing
02:40:58ManaSamaupdate?
02:41:34Paul_The_NerdThe program... ipodpatcher... the one you were talking about earlier...
02:41:40ManaSamaoh
02:41:42ManaSamaopen it?
02:41:58Paul_The_NerdNo, run it from the command prompt, like the instructions say
02:42:18ManaSamait says to type " ipodpatcher 0 "
02:42:24ManaSamathen 1 then 2 and 3
02:42:27Paul_The_NerdYes.
02:42:36Paul_The_NerdAnd so on until it tells you that one of those numbers is actually an ipod
02:42:43Paul_The_Nerd4, 5, 6, etc.
02:42:50ManaSamaOH
02:42:53ManaSamaso i dont use 0?
02:42:57ManaSamaand 1 and 2
02:43:04Paul_The_NerdYou start with 0
02:43:05Paul_The_NerdThen 1
02:43:06Paul_The_NerdThen 2
02:43:08ManaSamaoh!!
02:43:09ManaSamaok
02:43:13Paul_The_NerdUntil it eventually says that one of them is an ipod
02:45:48ManaSamaoh thanc alot its working now ill come back if something eles goes wrong
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03:00
03:00:26ManaSamaomg it didnt work!!!!
03:02:00ManaSamaanyone here can help me?!?!?!?!!?!:?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?1
03:02:25ashridahyou're going to have to be a little more detailed. what about it didn't work?
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03:03:11ManaSamaok well
03:03:35ManaSamai got all the way to this part
03:03:36ManaSamag) Testing
03:03:36ManaSamaYou can now disconnect your ipod from your PC in the normal way. This should cause your iPod to reboot.
03:03:36DBUGEnqueued KICK ManaSama
03:03:36ManaSamaYou should now see a light blue screen with some tiny writing - this is the Rockbox bootloader. Because you haven't yet installed Rockbox itself, the bootloader will fail to start Rockbox and should then default to start the original Apple firmware. If this happens, then all has gone well.
03:03:47ManaSamai dont no what the "normal way" ment
03:04:01ManaSamaand i just dissconnected it while it was on "DO NOT DISSCONNECT"
03:04:09ManaSamamy ipod did not reboot itself
03:04:27ManaSamai did not see a blue screen or anything
03:04:40ashridahdid you try starting the device yourself?
03:05:03ManaSamai reboot'ed it myself
03:05:16ManaSamawhat do you mean starting the device itself
03:05:27ashridahas in, reboot the ipod
03:05:31ManaSamai unzipped the rockbox zip also to the IPOD ROOT
03:05:39ManaSamayes i reoot it myself
03:05:43ManaSamacuz it did not itself
03:06:02ashridahokay, so the rockbox bootloader doesn't appear to have started?
03:06:04ManaSamaand i did the rest of the intrusctiongs and i did not geta ROCKBOX welcome
03:06:08ManaSamayes
03:06:18ManaSamainstuctions*
03:06:26ashridahsomeone else will have to help you then, i don't own an ipod, so i'm not sure what might have been missing.
03:06:34ManaSamaomg
03:06:34ManaSamaT_T
03:06:39ManaSamashould i do it all over again?
03:06:53ashridahjust be patient, there'll be someone about eventually.
03:07:03ManaSamaok
03:07:07ashridahyou can try, from what i know, the ipods are fairly recoverable.
03:07:28ashridahcompared to say, an iriver :S
03:07:29ManaSamaanyone here can help me with installing ROCKBOX on a windows XP to a IPOD 60 gig
03:14:20ManaSamaanyone here can help me with installing ROCKBOX on a windows XP to a IPOD 60 gig
03:14:29ashridahyou don't need to keep spamming it
03:15:22sharpehmm
03:15:25ManaSamaARGH!!
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03:15:30ManaSamasharpe can u help? ^^
03:15:42sharpemaybe... depends on your problem
03:16:00ManaSamaok well have u installed rockbox to a ipod video on windows?
03:16:07sharpeyes
03:16:38ManaSamaok u know when u get to TESTING
03:16:47sharpeeh?
03:16:55ManaSamag) Testing
03:16:55ManaSamaYou can now disconnect your ipod from your PC in the normal way. This should cause your iPod to reboot.
03:17:01sharpeyeah.
03:17:06ManaSamai dont no what "the normal way" is
03:17:16sharperemoving the cable from your ipod
03:17:17ManaSamaso i unplugged it while it was at "DO NOT DISSCONNECT"
03:17:21ManaSamayes
03:17:28ManaSamaok it did not reboot by itself
03:17:41ManaSamait took to long to i held down menu and selet and did it myself
03:17:41sharpetry holding select and menu until it reboots
03:17:59ManaSamaok i did
03:18:02ManaSamaand this did not happen
03:18:03ManaSamaYou should now see a light blue screen with some tiny writing - this is the Rockbox bootloader. Because you haven't yet installed Rockbox itself, the bootloader will fail to start Rockbox and should then default to start the original Apple firmware. If this happens, then all has gone well.
03:18:13ManaSamai did not see a blue light
03:18:19sharpeso it doesn't even show the rockbox bootloader?
03:18:30ManaSamasi i skipped and went on unzipping the ZIP to the root of my ipod
03:18:35ManaSamaso*
03:18:37ManaSamayes it doesnt show
03:18:57sharpeare you sure that you copied the bootloader to the ipod, by... ipod_fw? i think...
03:19:12ManaSamai think
03:19:21ManaSamais it possible for me to to the whole thing over?
03:19:41ManaSamacuz i did not see the blue screen
03:19:47sharpewait, did you do
03:19:58ManaSamaeverything went well untill then
03:20:04sharpeipodpatcher -w X rockboot.bin, where X is your ipod's number?
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03:20:45ManaSamaim shure i did the steps right
03:20:56ManaSamai felt unshure until the testing part
03:21:00ManaSamashoudl i do it all over?
03:21:01sharpehmm...
03:21:04sharpemaybe.
03:21:14sharpeyou should restore your ipod first
03:21:37ManaSamaback to factory?
03:21:40sharpeaye
03:21:44ManaSamaAHHH!!
03:21:45sharpeyou'll lose your music though.
03:21:46ManaSamahmm
03:21:51sharpeer, if that's okay.
03:21:54ManaSamai can add my music back right?
03:21:59ManaSamaits all on my computer
03:22:01sharpeyeah
03:22:04ManaSamaall the music
03:22:06ManaSamaok
03:22:28sharpeokay, tell me when it's done restoring it, and i'll try to walk you though the guide.
03:22:29ManaSamai can still watch videos on my ipod with rockbox right?
03:22:34ManaSamaok kool
03:22:37ManaSamalov ya ^^
03:22:52sharpeyou'll have to boot into the ipod's firmware to do so, rockbox doesn't handle videos yet
03:23:01sharpeer, videos for the ipod.
03:23:38ManaSamaomg
03:23:42ManaSamai cant pay all my videos?
03:23:46ManaSamaif i install rockbox?
03:23:56ManaSamaplay*
03:23:57sharpeyes, you can. you just have to boot into the apple firmware
03:24:05ManaSamais that hard?
03:24:21sharpeif you consider a keypress while it's booting hard, then yes. otherwise, nope.
03:24:38ManaSamaok
03:24:46ManaSamathen ill go ahead and install
03:24:56sharpeokay.
03:25:00ManaSamau have aim?
03:25:19ManaSamau can help me put videos on later yea and pictures?
03:25:38sharpei don't have aim on right now...
03:25:47ManaSamaok restored
03:26:26sharpeokay, do you have ipodpatcher.exe, ipod_fw.exe, and bootloader-video.bin in, (i'm assuming) c:\rockbox, or wherever you have them?
03:26:45ManaSamayes liek the intructions said
03:27:07sharpeokay, try to find your ipod's number
03:27:59ManaSamadone
03:28:00ManaSamaits 6
03:28:15sharpeokay, do "ipodpatcher -r 6 bootpartition.bin"
03:28:39ManaSamawrtiing.......
03:28:43ManaSama112mb file
03:28:51sharpeokay
03:28:54ManaSamadone
03:29:04***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:29:14sharpenow, do "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin"
03:29:59ManaSamause "0" right?
03:30:03sharpeyes
03:30:06ManaSamaok just went to another line
03:30:13ManaSamaC:\rockbox
03:30:17ManaSama>
03:30:26ManaSamaanything supopse to happen?
03:30:28sharpeis there a apple_os.bin file?
03:30:35sharpein the folder
03:30:38ManaSamayes 6 mb
03:30:41sharpeokay
03:30:59sharpenow, "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin"
03:31:49ManaSamaok a 5 mb file created
03:32:29ManaSamadone
03:33:00sharpeokay, now, "ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin"
03:34:17ManaSamagenerating........
03:34:25ManaSamadone
03:34:41sharpenow, "ipodpatcher -w 6 rockboot.bin"
03:35:00ManaSamareading..........
03:35:10ManaSamadone
03:35:17sharpenow try disconnecting your ipod
03:35:33ManaSamaunhook now yea?
03:35:36sharpeyes
03:35:48ManaSamaYAY
03:36:04ManaSamanow unzip that ZIP to the root of ipod yea?
03:36:07sharpeyes
03:36:37ManaSamahmm how to instal a theme?
03:37:35ManaSamaunzip theme to " .rockbox " in the ipod root?
03:37:44sharpeone sec...
03:37:49ManaSamakkkkk
03:38:06sharpeto, h:/.rockbox/themes
03:38:10sharpewhere h is your ipod's drive
03:38:45sharpeand for a wps, extract it to h:/.rockbox/wps
03:40:17ManaSamaok im lost
03:40:26sharpehmm?
03:40:45ManaSamaput the WPS older form the ZIP to the WPS foler in the Rockbox foler?
03:40:48ManaSamafoler*
03:40:55ManaSamaor replace the WPS?
03:41:00sharpeyes, also the wps file
03:41:33ManaSamaok unzip the THEME and FONTS and BACKDROPS to THEMES?
03:41:42ManaSamathen the WPS to the WPS
03:42:02sharpewait, are those individual folders?
03:42:05sharpein the zip
03:42:07ManaSamayes
03:42:16sharpejust extract them to /.rockbox
03:43:24ManaSamaok now
03:43:27ManaSamai rebooted
03:43:34ManaSama and theres no theme
03:43:34ManaSamaonly
03:43:40ManaSamaa blue screen with little letters
03:43:45sharpepress menu
03:43:52ManaSamaok
03:43:56sharpeand navigate to browse themes
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03:43:59sharpeand press select
03:44:12sharpeand then choose that respective theme
03:44:15ManaSamaok kool
03:44:21ManaSamanow how to add music and videos?
03:45:18sharpeyou'll have to add videos thru itunes
03:45:29sharpeas nothing dealing with videos is done by rockbox
03:45:47sharpeand for music, just place it somewhere on the disk
03:45:59sharperockbox works as a filebrowser
03:47:07ManaSamaok i have a folder were all my music is
03:47:13ManaSamadrag and drop?
03:47:15sharpeyes
03:47:29ManaSamamy ipod is pretty now
03:47:33ManaSamaAND HAS BUST A MIE OMG!!
03:47:36ManaSamaAND GAMES
03:47:37ManaSamaKOOL
03:48:21sharpei need to make a new background...
03:48:28ManaSamaok
03:48:29ManaSamaum
03:48:35ManaSamastill cant add music
03:48:38ManaSamano folder
03:48:38sharpehmm?
03:48:44sharpewhere did you put the folder?
03:48:55ManaSamaits on my desk top
03:49:20sharpeand when you dragged it to your ipod, what happened?
03:49:28ManaSamai didnt yet
03:49:31ManaSamadrag it to the root right
03:49:32ManaSama?
03:49:35sharpeyes
03:49:41ManaSamait also has videos and pictures in the folder alone with my music
03:49:46ManaSamaalong
03:50:03sharperockbox will only see the videos, and some pictures..
03:50:06sharpeer
03:50:07sharpenot
03:50:25sharpenot see the videos, but it will view the music and some pictures... if i remember correctly.
03:50:32ManaSamaok
03:51:10ManaSamaok adding folder
03:51:12ManaSamaas for the videos
03:51:15ManaSamai go thru itunes?
03:51:18sharpeyes
03:51:39ManaSamadam
03:51:52ManaSamadam my jrock folder is 50 gig
03:51:53ManaSamas
03:51:54ManaSama>.<
03:52:02sharpewow.
03:52:02ManaSamai had all my music on before
03:52:04ManaSamaugh
03:52:22ManaSamawell the video auto add liek before rockbox right?
03:52:34sharpehmm?
03:52:57sharpeif it did in itunes, i don't see why not...
03:53:14ManaSamaok
03:53:19ManaSamai just open and it shoudl work yea?
03:53:24sharpeitunes?
03:53:27ManaSamayea
03:53:30sharpeyes
03:53:55ManaSamaok u were talking about going into apple to watch vids
03:53:57ManaSamawhat is that
03:54:23sharpewhen you reboot rockbox, hold... menu right after you reboot
03:54:31sharpeand it should boot the original firmware
03:54:36sharpeit may take a few tries though
03:54:38ManaSamahold menu?
03:54:38ManaSamaok
03:54:48ManaSamathanx for everything i cant wait till all my stuff is back on ^^
03:54:53sharpeyou're welcome
03:55:34ManaSamai can just disconnect when ever yea?
03:55:38ManaSamar u happy with rockbox?
03:55:56sharpeyes, as long as it's not copying anything to your ipod, yes i'm happy with rockbox
03:57:13ManaSamaman my folder is huge
03:57:14ManaSamaT_T
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03:57:44ManaSamacan i like use the origional sofware and connect it to ITUNEs let it update then reboot and would all the music show?
03:57:55ManaSamain rockbox?
03:58:09sharpeyou may have to reboot into the apple firmware for itunes to access it
03:58:29ManaSamai can let itunes add the music and just reboot again and it will work yea?
03:58:57sharpeyou mean the videos?
03:59:21ManaSamai mean everything
03:59:35ManaSamacuz itadds everything nicly i think
03:59:48ManaSamaand i have all my lyrics in there and pics and album ard and all my info on the music
04:00
04:00:00sharpewell... if you want your music accessed by the apple firmware, i guess...
04:00:10ManaSamaoh
04:00:29ManaSamaif i have to upload it while its in the rockbox ?
04:00:36ManaSamato listen from rockbox
04:00:37ManaSama?
04:00:55sharpeno...
04:01:18sharperockbox works as a filebrowser, whereas the apple firmware has a database of the media files
04:01:40sharpeand rockbox doesn't handle the itunesdb
04:01:44ManaSamaim almost thinking of restoring it ...................letting itunes add everything again then re installing rockbox again T_T
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04:02:31ManaSamacuz drag and drop is bad cuz i have videos and pix everywere and itunes can add it all nicly as drag and drop will add everything!!!
04:03:00ManaSamathe folder is liek 55 gigs and itunes adds everything ad 30 gig
04:03:00ManaSamasee
04:03:05ManaSamaas*
04:03:21ManaSamau get it?
04:03:24sharpenot really
04:03:28ManaSamaok
04:03:37sharpebut, it seems like that's your fault for the bad organization. sorry.
04:04:03ManaSamaIF i reboot my ipod and use apple sofware and connect to the itunes , let it all update and wen its done
04:04:18ManaSamacan i reboot and use rockbox to listen to the songs?
04:04:56sharpeyes, you will have to use the tagcache, as itunes mangles the filenames...
04:06:04ManaSamatag cache?
04:06:47sharpeyes, kind of like the idea of the itunesdb
04:08:00ManaSama-_-
04:08:10sharpebut they're not interchangeable
04:08:16ManaSama>.<
04:08:19ManaSamaim lost
04:08:24ManaSamai guess im going to restore
04:08:33ManaSamaand let itunes add everything cuz itunes adds it nice
04:08:36ManaSamathen install rockbox again
04:08:42sharpeokay.
04:08:49ManaSamacuz everything eles is confusing me
04:08:53ManaSamaand i dont think u understand me
04:09:31ManaSamalemme ask one more time ill try my best to explain
04:09:32ManaSamaok
04:09:34ManaSamaum
04:09:59ManaSamaIf i use the apple filmware and let itunes add everything then reboot will ROCKBOXX PLAY JUST LIKE NORMAL?
04:10:12ManaSamaor will it be different in anyway?
04:10:56sharpeit will not play the files itunes added, as it adds it in a special way to your ipod, so you will have to have rockbox use rockbox's tagcache. but the apple's firmware will play, as normal.
04:11:55ManaSamaok i can still play music i just have to go thru Tag cahe in rockbox?
04:12:04sharpeyes
04:12:17ManaSamaand what would be the different if i dragged and dropped?
04:12:31ManaSamait would be as directory yea?
04:12:37sharpeyes
04:13:33ManaSamaok
04:13:36ManaSamaman
04:13:57ManaSamai have to move all videos from my ARTIST folders to somewere eles so they dotn add
04:14:00ManaSamathis will take foreve rT_T
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04:31:52qwxare there chinks among the rockbox developers?
04:33:34sharpeeh?
04:39:06qwxchinamen
04:39:09qwxasians
04:39:09qwxgooks
04:39:13qwxlittle yellow people
04:39:20sharpeah, racial slurs. as far as i know, nope.
04:39:31qwxhaha. alright.
04:39:38qwxi prefer the term ethnic slur!
04:39:39goffawe've got some honkeys and crackers though
04:39:42qwxah.
04:39:48qwxand turnips..
04:39:51qwxlots of turnips.
04:39:54sharpeooh
04:39:57sharpei'm a cracker
04:40:06qwxi'm a dego twat.
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04:41:50*qwx can't afford an ipod nano quite yet..
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04:42:14goffamust be poor white trash then
04:42:19goffa;)
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04:50:05sharpekind of late for the owned, isn't it? :)
04:50:46Incoh yes.
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04:58:06speacial_edum anyone at all can you tell me if its possible for my 5g ipod to actaully be shocking me??/
04:58:17sharpeno...
04:58:22sharpewell
04:58:28sharpenot in a way that'd hurt you
04:58:28speacial_edthan i am trippin really bad on something
04:58:36speacial_edits not painful no
04:58:38speacial_edits just
04:58:40speacial_edshocking me
04:58:48speacial_edthe metal on the back
04:58:52sharpelike, by it's awesomeness? it's that shocking?
04:58:56speacial_edno
04:58:58speacial_edlike
04:59:00speacial_edelectrical
04:59:02sharpecould be static buildup
04:59:09speacial_edive touched other metal to make sure
04:59:14speacial_edand its a constant flow
04:59:21sharpe..
04:59:26speacial_edim seriously freaking
04:59:34speacial_edhang on i have to get my bro make sure its not just me
04:59:40sharpetry touching it to other metal. :D
05:00
05:00:09speacial_edHAHAHAH
05:00:12speacial_edmy brother just jumped
05:00:14speacial_edomg
05:00:16speacial_edhahaha
05:00:22speacial_edthis is so awesome
05:00:38Mikachui think your ipod is broken
05:01:06speacial_edo god damnit
05:01:17speacial_edit wasnt my ipod
05:01:22speacial_edmy usb cords messed up
05:01:31speacial_edand it was going off the back of my ipod on the metal
05:01:38sharpeheh
05:01:57speacial_edbut i guess i can just shock people with the usb
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05:04:41speacial_edalso, why wont my ipod play music in rockbox?
05:04:55speacial_edit goes to a song then wont start
05:05:00speacial_edsits at 0:00 of 0:00
05:05:08speacial_edand the song stays in the 4 letter name thing
05:05:25sharpefour letter name?
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05:05:39speacial_edVDJW.mp3
05:05:42sharpeoh
05:05:44sharpefrom itunes
05:05:46speacial_edyes
05:05:54sharpeis tagcache enabled?
05:05:59speacial_edyes
05:06:05sharpehave you recently updated any parts of rockbox?
05:06:22speacial_edlast night i did the bleeding edge
05:06:32sharpeeverything?
05:06:45sharpeor just rockbox.ipod?
05:06:54speacial_edeverything
05:07:24sharpesounds like, a problem with the codec or something... maybe...
05:07:42sharpetry updating to the latest build
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05:09:48speacial_edheh... i cant touch the back of ipod while its plugged in or i get a nice mild shock now
05:10:00Mikachui would throw away that cable if i were you
05:10:09Mikachuyou could permanently damage your ipod, your computer and yourself
05:10:23speacial_edthats quite a good idea
05:10:28sharpei serouisly doubt it could damage himself
05:10:36speacial_edhow much is a new one?
05:10:40sharpeit's 5volts at ~500milliamps
05:10:46Mikachuis this the stock ipod cable?
05:10:46sharpeif i remember correctly
05:10:53speacial_edyes
05:11:00Mikachuthey're pretty expensive i think
05:11:16speacial_edpoo
05:11:31RoC_MM$20
05:11:35Mikachui'm not sure how you managed to break it though
05:11:36sharpeoh god!
05:11:42sharpethat'll break your bank account!
05:11:43speacial_edaw man
05:11:49RoC_MMless if you don't buy Apple branded cable from apple store...look on newegg
05:11:50speacial_edtotally
05:11:59Mikachuyou could buy a shappy mp3 player for $20
05:12:00speacial_edok thanks
05:12:11sharpeso what's wrong with it, how is it touching your ipod's casing?
05:12:21speacial_edi have no clue...
05:12:26speacial_edthe cable looks fine
05:12:37speacial_edi looked it over i dont see any holes or anything
05:12:38Mikachuit's possible the earth is connected to the case
05:12:49speacial_edits lying on wood
05:13:08sharpehe means the ground wire, not the celestial body.
05:13:08Mikachuyou say ground in english maybe
05:15:04sharpeheheh...
05:15:34speacial_edplayback is working now
05:15:50speacial_edand the wires gone so i need to get another soon... so ill just buy one at a store
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05:17:47RoC_MMnewegg.com has them for $10
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05:40:56sharpethat's great error reporting. "One Warning Occured, Please Check The Log For More Details." the log says, "Commit: Warning: Error 0x8004100e"
05:43:01sharpeactually, error detailing, but still...
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06:24:31ashridahWoot! done and submitted
06:24:36ashridahoops, wrong channel
06:25:22midkayclumsy ashridah :)
06:25:30ashridahyeah, something like that.
06:25:40ashridahyou would be too if you'd just fought with JCE for a few weeks
06:26:03midkayhaha.
06:26:20sharpeoff to play more tremulous... because i want to.
06:27:50midkay:o
06:28:24sharpeand because it's standalone now
06:28:25sharpe:D
06:28:49midkay:OOO
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07:36:39JdGordonim building the cross compiler and i did a typo in the path for binutils... how do i remove the install and start again?
07:36:57JdGordonor can i just move the dir to the correct directory?
07:38:31ashridahmake uninstall should work
07:38:42ashridahi wouldn't. it relies on the prefix in some cases
07:39:14JdGordonmake uninstall didnt work..
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07:39:27JdGordonive removed the whole dir and did make clean and running it again
07:39:30JdGordonhope it works
07:44:22midkayJdGordon, working on the viewer now, finally sorted out the settings save/load.. just want to fix up a few things and add in a feature if i can remember what it was (thought up something that would be useful but can't remember now).. and i think it'll be ready. :)
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07:50:16dj-fudoh.. deleted the backdrop file and now i have a black screen on my nano
07:50:19dj-fuany easy way to fix?
07:50:27dj-fuhave tried deleting .rockbox and replacing it, still the same thing
07:50:41midkaydj-fu, boot rockbox with the hold switch on = your settings will be completely reset.
07:50:54dj-futhanks
07:50:59midkayno problem
07:51:00dj-fuI'm such an idiot ;p
07:51:07midkayshould have just put it back! :)
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07:53:31ravonGod damn. This worked yesterday, and now it segfaults.
07:53:42ravonThis is one of those moments where I wish I used a local CVS.
07:54:31dj-fumidkay, does that mean that rockboxes settings are not stored on the fat32 partition?
07:55:06Galoiscorrect, the settings are not stored in the main music partition
07:55:16dj-fushocking, I had no idea.
07:55:19midkaydj-fu, right, they're on the disk some place not on the partition iiuc. it's planned to change the system so that they're saved to a cfg file instead..
07:55:33dj-fucould be a good idea ;P
07:55:35midkayi see only *numerous* advantages, so i'm not sure why it's not happened yet.
07:57:46dj-fucrossfeed rocks
07:57:53dj-fureally noticeable with the in-ear headphones i think
07:58:41midkayyeah, crossfeed == pwn :)
07:59:40*dj-fu attempts to bribe the ipod developer into working on the second core
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08:01:14dj-fuonly just learnt today that I could use it to listen to music while plugged in charging
08:01:16dj-futhat's w00t
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08:02:52midkayyeah :)
08:03:05midkay'the ipod developer'? there are way more than one :)
08:05:21BHSPitLappylol
08:06:37dj-fuI better save up a lil bit then.
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08:07:59dj-fuhmm, I'm not getting any skipping with crossfeed AND equaliser on, I just turned up the anti-skip buffer
08:08:04dj-fuI was getting skips al the time before
08:08:09dj-fumaybe something changed
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08:15:07MoosHi there
08:15:40dj-fuHello.
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08:24:01dj-fushocking, I didn't even realise there was an anti-skip option. here I was complaining about a second core being needed
08:24:28midkaydj-fu, antiskip will not help with stutters.
08:24:42dj-fuit won't?
08:24:45dj-fuwell, something is
08:24:52midkaysomething is what?
08:25:32midkaystutters are the result of decoding being too slow. antiskip just buffers the compressed files earlier than it needs to, nothing to do with decoding.
08:25:34dj-fuI just put today/yesterdays cvs on, turned crossfeed & eq on, playing mp3's 320kbit fine with no stutters
08:26:03midkaywhich model?
08:26:09dj-funano
08:26:20dj-fupreviously it would stutter randomly
08:26:22midkayimpressive.. well, there were some libmad optimizations a few days ago.
08:26:36dj-futhink that may have done it?
08:26:43dj-fumad is mp3 demuxing correct?
08:26:49midkayprobably gave it a little bit of boost it needed to play like that.
08:27:06dj-fusweet :D
08:27:14midkaystill hard to believe. crossfeed AND eq is .. eq barely runs realtime for me on my 5G..
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08:28:25dj-fuLet me try tweak some eq settings
08:29:07dj-fuah, cranked up the graphical just then and got a stutter
08:30:21midkaywhile you did that, or it continues stuttering after adjustment?
08:30:33dj-fucontinues after
08:30:48dj-fuI realised I had eq turned on but the graphical was set to all default, lol, probably not a good test ;
08:31:54midkaystill seems unlikely..
08:31:58midkayhmm..
08:32:10dj-fueq turned off, crossfeed on, no stutters
08:32:23dj-fustoked :D stutters were making me cry
08:33:26midkaycool :)
08:33:44dj-fuare you a dev, midkay?
08:33:56midkaydj-fu, technically :)
08:37:15dj-fuI'm going to remake iAmp with the snap font
08:37:18dj-fumy first venture into wps
08:38:48midkaycool :)
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09:32:58amiconnmidkay: While we do want to switch to .cfg files for the startup config, there are not only advantages, and it's also not that simple to do the switch
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09:40:11midkayamiconn, what are the disadvantages?
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09:46:34amiconnmidkay: (1) It's considerably more complex to save settings in an ascii config file than just saving the binary blob in a sector. We will have to optimise the saving a bit, currently it's rather slow
09:46:50midkayamiconn, ah, right. haha. blob.
09:47:29amiconn(2) We need a way to register callbacks in the ata driver to call on spinup, or an appropriate event
09:48:17amiconnToday, the delayed settings save is handled in the ata driver. It stores the sector when the disk isn't spinning, and writes it at the next spinup
09:49:03midkayright
09:49:26amiconn(3) We need to split the settings into 2 parts in a different way than today. Some settings aren't really settings but rather 'status values', which should stay binary
09:50:03amiconnresume position, runtime statistics, (on newer targets) dircache size
09:50:10midkaymmhmm
09:51:14amiconnThese would be preferably saved in a non-disk storage when available (rtc ram on archos recorders, possibly the i2c eeprom on iriver)
09:52:00amiconnOn other units we will probably use a binary file
09:55:14midkaycool
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09:57:43dj-fuah, is this the settings not in a cfg file speech
09:59:41amiconnmidkay: One big advantage will be that we can drop the config block versioning, so no more occasional settings resets
09:59:55midkayamiconn, yes, that's a major one i had in mind.
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10:00:21midkayalso adjusting/resetting easily via USB if something gets screwed up
10:00:38amiconnA disadvantage (or rather required implementation detail) is that we need proper out-of-bounds checks in the settings loader
10:01:17midkayis that a we-should-have-this kind of thing or absolutely mandatory?
10:01:41amiconnIt's mandatory
10:02:23midkaywhy?
10:02:55amiconnIsn't that obvious? We need to protect against loading out-of-bounds values when the settings change
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10:03:05amiconnOtherwise nasty thing can happen
10:03:36midkayyes, but then it should be nearly as mandatory now, since cfg files can manually be created, right?
10:03:49amiconnyes
10:04:29amiconnBut right now it's only a concern with manually created, or old saved .cfg files, and the user knows when he's loading a .cfg
10:04:52amiconnLater it will be a concern on each startup
10:05:08midkayrighto
10:05:25amiconnOne example was the volume percent -> dB change. When loading an old .cfg from be fore that, volume is out of range (positive instead of negative). Try that with resume on startup & earphones in...
10:05:34amiconn(note: NOT recommended!)
10:05:52dj-fuBOOM
10:05:55*dj-fu dances
10:05:56midkayhahaha.. i hope that didn't happen to anyone :)
10:06:01amiconnit did
10:06:07midkayouch..
10:06:12amiconnindeed
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10:07:46bluefoxicyI have the daily build of rockbox from last week or so
10:07:53bluefoxicyand I found out
10:07:59bluefoxicyif I hit back a bunch of times on a playlist
10:08:24bluefoxicyI can really fuck with it, put it into playlist item -1, rockbox tries to play -2 next, fails, tries to play -1, fails, tries to play -2, fails, and goes back to teh file dialog
10:08:30bluefoxicyit won't play any songs until it's rebooted
10:09:04midkaythat sounds crazy enough to try out. *attempts*
10:09:17bluefoxicymidkay: construct a dynamic playlist, save it as /default.m3u or such
10:09:28peturbluefoxicy: why don't you try a bleeding edge build, lots of things have changed already
10:09:31bluefoxicythen load it, start playing, move to the second song, then hit back a bunch of times :)
10:09:48bluefoxicypetur: nods. Just a heads up though, in case anyone can still reproduce it.
10:10:21midkaynot happening here..
10:10:30bluefoxicyif it's still behaving like a little bitch, someone should look into an "if (pl_index < 1) pl_index = pl_index + length_of_pl)" somewhere
10:10:36bluefoxicymidkay: alright, probably fixed.
10:10:54bluefoxicymidkay: I was able to reproduce it several times in a row intentionally.
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10:11:14midkaybluefoxicy, interesting, you should try again with latest CVS
10:11:25bluefoxicymidkay: it's 4am, I'll try tomorrow
10:11:33midkayk :)
10:11:34bluefoxicyI've fallen asleep at my keyboard 15 times since 2
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10:12:08peturnah... it's 10 in the morning :P
10:12:37midkayhaha.
10:12:51*amiconn agrees with petur
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10:18:50JdGordondo the build servers redo the entire build? or only recompile the changed files?
10:19:36amiconnThey do a full rebuild, but use ccache to speed things up
10:20:26amiconnIf they wouldn't do a full rebuild, the error/warning count wouldn't be correct
10:20:29webguest79two possile bugs with Album art viewer, H140, latest BE Build. album cover art appears as two folders in the respective album folder, 1) folder , 2) AlbumArt.
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10:21:05amiconnAlso, if there is a dependency problem, it could happen that the build fails and/or some parts that should be rebuilt aren't
10:21:15peturwebguest79: album art is not part of rockbox yet, contact the creator of the patch
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10:21:45webguest79petur, that would be rockbox, as I am using latest bledding edge
10:21:55webguest79not using my own build,
10:22:14*petur is confused
10:22:22webguest79show files is set to suppoeted
10:22:34midkaywebguest79, you mean the jpegs then.
10:22:51midkaysome program probably automatically downloads them (like windows media player).
10:22:59midkaythat's not a bug, rockbox is just showing what's there.
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10:23:50webguest79yes but same file twice under a different name?
10:24:15amiconnRockbox just shows what is on the file system
10:24:23webguest79AlbumArt and Folder for the exact same file in the same folder for the same art
10:24:44midkaywebguest79, they are different files.
10:24:55amiconnIf it shows 2 different folders with the same file in them, these folders really exist both
10:24:55midkaythe jpegs look the same, because they probably are, but there are different copies and sizes.
10:25:01amiconnCheck from a pc
10:25:02midkaythat is not rockbox's fault.
10:25:36midkayamiconn, i think windows media player is the app that downloads+stores albumart automatically. there is a Folder.jpg along with several AlbumArt_[randomnumbers].jpg files.
10:25:48webguest79and if you Left click on arts 'quit' menu screen goes blank
10:25:57webguest79that is the other problem
10:26:12*amiconn *never* downloads anything with media player, although he uses it occasionally for playback
10:26:13midkayleft click?
10:26:34webguest79h140, joystck, left click
10:26:38midkayamiconn, i have the albumart things too, i don't know exactly where they come from. i certainly didn't download them myself..
10:27:02midkaynot sure what you mean. that goes to the last photo for me.
10:28:16webguest79open a picture, then get press stop, when context menu is displayed, Left click whilst standing on quit
10:28:34midkay.. brings me back to the picture.
10:28:41webguest79strange
10:28:55amiconnHmm, maybe I observed that bug too
10:29:03midkaymaybe a bug on H100 (or all grayscale LCDs)?
10:29:11amiconnThe bug exists on targets where we use the grayscale lib
10:29:19midkaydo they require some kind of initialization like the archos lib did?
10:29:31webguest79first left click blabk screen, second left screen reloads the picture
10:29:36amiconnmidkay: It *is* the grayscale lib
10:29:59midkayamiconn, no difference between H100 and Archos lib then?
10:30:14amiconnNot in operation
10:30:23midkayah, interesting.
10:30:27amiconnOf course the implementation is sligthly different
10:30:43amiconnThe principle is the same
10:30:57amiconnWe will have the grayscale lib on the grayscale ipods as well
10:31:00midkaygotcha
10:31:02amiconn(after 3.0 of course)
10:31:15ravonDid anything change in the ui emulation handling recently? Like... 1-3 days ago?
10:32:04midkayemulation?
10:32:10webguest79and always use explorer to manage my files, never any other app
10:32:14ravonsimulation :)
10:32:17*amiconn is building gcc 4.1 for sh :)
10:32:22midkaysimulation? :)
10:32:44webguest79so I dont know where the double cover art file with different ne=ames is coming from
10:33:03midkaywebguest79, i have no idea either. but i have them too and i did not get them myself.
10:33:22ravonnosefart segfaults when compiled for little endian. The error could of course be there, but I haven't changed anything there, and it worked a few days ago.
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10:34:09midkayoh, uisim? *shrugs*
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10:35:33ravonI think I've figured out how to do subsongs in NSF files now.
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10:41:32Learamiconn: tried a gcc 4.1 build for the iriver the other day, saved about 2 kb on rockbox.iriver. didn't actually try the build though. :)
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10:42:19amiconnLear: Perhaps 4.1 is even better in reducing size than 4.0 with -Os
10:42:26amiconnI'll soon find out
10:43:06LearYep. Btw, I need to disable libssp when running configure, or the gcc build fails (after gcc proper is complete, it seems).
10:44:02amiconnHow do you do this?
10:45:26Learsimple: −−enable-libssp=no
10:45:34amiconnokay
10:45:46JdGordonis a 90s h300 build respectable (with wine compiling in the backgreoud) with ccache enable?
10:45:58amiconnLet's see whether building libssp fails for sh as well (somehow I expect it does)
10:46:22amiconnJdGordon: First build, i.e. ccache not filled yet?
10:47:48JdGordon2nd build
10:48:16amiconnhmm, that sounds a bit slow, but maybe due to the 2nd compilation in parallel
10:50:28amiconnLear: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
10:50:34amiconnSounds familiar?
10:50:39LearYep.
10:50:57LearBut if you run make install, you should get a working gcc...
10:53:16ravonDo I have to to anything specific to get profiling to work? Besides adding PROFILE_OPTS to the compilation flags?
10:53:33JdGordonhmm... 65s without the other compile going..
10:53:36ravonAll I get now is a bunch of 3109E5A8=0000 lines in profile.out
10:57:23amiconnJdGordon: 1st build: 96s, 2nd build: 41s. That's with 'make && make zip' both times
10:57:28amiconn..on my build box
10:58:00amiconn...for H300, with the hack to make m68k-elf-gcc build on amd64
10:58:25amiconn'make zip' itself takes ~5s
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11:00:43*JdGordon neds a better cpu.. make zip take 12s
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11:01:45JdGordonwell, once this comp is setup properly as my 24x7 download box its available for a build server if its wanted...
11:02:23JdGordonand if the make zip doesnt have all the fonts and suff which can be added on the main server then the zip will be smaller and my slow upload wont matter so much
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11:04:55RedBrevasorry to interupt with a stupid Q... what key press stops playback on an iPod?
11:05:29midkayhold play shortly
11:05:49RedBrevaOK, thanks
11:06:17RedBrevaThat was about the only key I didn't think to press :(
11:06:31amiconnLear: gcc 4.1.0 -Os saves 250 bytes compared to gcc 4.0.3 -Os for archos recorder
11:06:43amiconnBut I get a bunch of aliasing warnings
11:07:49LearWell, at least it's not worse, and now bugs at least have the chance of being fixed. :)
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12:07:54HClpfffff...
12:07:55HClhello.
12:14:46markungood day HCl
12:26:05JdGordonany1 got dvd decrypter working under wine under linux? i cant get it to read the dvdrom
12:26:56Galoiswhat the hell? why would you ever bother to do such a thing
12:27:18JdGordoncoz im moving to linux...
12:27:22Galoisso?
12:27:33JdGordonso? so..?
12:27:34Galoislinux has a ton of native software that can do dvd decryption
12:27:50JdGordonok.. eg?
12:27:58GaloisI wrote an entire freaking howto on this
12:28:05JdGordon:D linky?
12:28:15Galoishttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/
12:29:12Galoisif you want more than just ripping/playing, you can ask me. I probably know more about this than all but a dozen other people in the world.
12:29:27Mikachu"mplayer dvd://"
12:29:41crwl"vobcopy -m"
12:30:25Galoisthe neat thing about mplayer is that the decryption works even on a dd'd iso copy
12:30:39JdGordoncheers
12:30:43Galoisbe careful though, this stuff is seriously illegal in the US
12:30:52JdGordonye, im looking for the linux equiv of dvd decrypter and dvd shrink
12:31:01crashdJdGordon: transcode :>
12:31:22Galoistranscode will work. It has awful syntax, even for a CLI app, but it will work.
12:31:31crwlDVD Shrink works fine with WINE, I don't think there's a Linux equivalent...?
12:31:32crashdhehe, there's some good frontends
12:31:39crashdlike dvd::rip
12:31:53crashdin fact, JdGordon, cehckout dvd::rip
12:31:57crwldvd::rip and dvd shrink are seriously different kind of programs
12:32:01*JdGordon checking out
12:32:03crashdyeah but
12:32:07crashdthey both can do the same job
12:32:11crwlno, they can't
12:32:12Mikachudoes dvd shrink do anything else than re-encode the video/audio?
12:32:14crashdyes, they can
12:32:31ashridahtranscode does a reasonable job of ripping and reencoding for me
12:32:33crwldvd::rip doesn't re-encode mpeg2 and retain the menus etc., unless it has got that feature recently
12:32:49ashridahthe interface isn't too pleasant, but there's a few frontends that help
12:33:07Galoiscrwl, you can, with effort, re-encode the raw mpeg2 and add back the original menus manually with dvdauthor
12:33:20Galoisthe menus are not encrypted in the CSS standard, only the vob content
12:33:31crwlGalois, I wouldn't bother if I can just use dvd shrink :P
12:33:41crashdcce+ifoedit tbh
12:33:44crashdonly way forward :)
12:33:51Galoisagreed, but we're assuming that for some reason you can't use dvd shrink
12:34:02Galoisanyway this is all seriously obsolete IMO. If you want a perfect copy, get a dual layer burner and disc
12:34:13Mikachuyeah, they're cheap
12:34:19Mikachuyou could just as well buy the movie then
12:34:20crwli've got dual layer burner myself, they're cheap, but the discs aren't
12:34:21Galoisthat's dead easy to copy. Even dd will do it.
12:34:29crashdthe discs are stupidly expensive
12:34:31crashdfor what they are, anyway
12:34:42crwlwell, time will take the price down, I guess
12:34:44crashdit's to stop people just verbatim copying dvd i guess
12:34:55Galoiswe're not supposed to be encouraging piracy AFAIAC.
12:35:00GaloisI mean, that's illegal outside the US
12:35:08crashdwhat is?
12:35:19Galois"piracy"
12:35:27crashdlol, no it isnt.
12:35:28JdGordondual layer disks are still about $8 each, single layer disks are 40c each...
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12:35:46crashdpiracy is a catchall for a variety of copyright infringements
12:36:15*Galois slaps crashd around a bit with intellectual property
12:36:59crashdin most sensible countries it's not a crime per say
12:37:04crashdand has to be pursued by the copyright owners
12:37:07JdGordon4 hours and im back to full speed internet :D
12:37:08Mikachu"per se"
12:37:12JdGordonbloody shaped plans
12:37:14crashdno, it isnt a crime Mikachu
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12:37:25Mikachui was just correcting your spelling
12:37:27Mikachu:P
12:37:49crashdah yes, thank you
12:38:04crashd: )
12:38:46GaloisMemorex DVD+R 8.5GB Double Layer 2.4x 15 Pack Spindle by Memorex $29.99 amazon
12:41:39crashd$2 a pop
12:41:52Galoisit's not $8
12:42:04crashdindeed, but it's not pennies either
12:42:05Galoisunless he means australian dollars or something
12:42:14JdGordonye, aussie dollart
12:43:43webguest83H140, Latest B Edge build, created playlist with 'Queue Shuffled' >100 files, Shuflle mode, %pp (playlist position) stops counting up and %pe (total number of playlist entries) starts counting down as files are skipped continuously in wps, these two basically get confused and swap roles.
12:44:06Galoisit was not long ago that single-layer discs were $2. Give it time.
12:45:14Learwebguest83: queued entries are removed after play, so %pe should drop.
12:45:26GaloisI personally think splitting an 8GB iso over two single layer discs and then waiting for the price of double layer discs to drop in the future is a better strategy than suffering the quality loss of re-encoding, although of course this is merely a hypothetical scenario and I am not actually in favor of piracy
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12:45:44LearBut why the files are skipped is more interesting. What format? Do they only skip if queued?
12:45:54webguest83ah yes forgot about that, so i guess its normal behaviour then, sorry
12:47:18webguest83mp3 lame@aps, and the counter only skips if queued
12:47:53Learah, but they file play okay? I first read it as it was not playing anything at all. :)
12:47:55webguest83I guess it is difficult to define counter behaviour if files are queued
12:49:02webguest83they play ok, its just the %pe/%pp display which is slightly confusing, until you reminded me that queued files are removed
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13:44:26peturamiconn: is it intenional that voice feedback is given for all entries when moveing fast through a menu? Or is it only playing a certain amount of them?
13:44:58peturbah weekendtyping
13:45:43amiconnThis is because of the non-working voice preemtion on swcodec
13:45:52amiconn*preemption
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13:50:20peturand what's a thumbnail (in the voice code)?
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13:50:58amiconnA thumbnail is the .talk file for a directory or file
13:51:12peturok
13:51:40amiconnThese can be created by the VoiceBox script and a sapi5 compatible tts, or using own recordings
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14:24:03peturmust be sunday
14:24:05ravon:D
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14:28:07Skyxcubehi
14:28:40Skyxcubei have a problem with my ipod and rockbox
14:28:46Skyxcubecan you help me?
14:29:04peturamiconn:letting the recording buffer start after the voice buffer seems to solve the recording glitches, I can now have voice while recording :)
14:29:08Skyxcubei'm french so my english is bad but i can understand
14:29:26peturamiconn: but I get a crash after playback *every time*
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14:29:43peturSkycube: what's the problem?
14:29:51Skyxcubei explain :
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14:30:14Skyxcubei have an ipod 5G and i tryed to install rockbox yesterday
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14:31:43Skyxcubeall the instalation process succeded but it don't run i have an error and impossible to connec my ipod to my pc
14:32:28peturwhat error?
14:33:02SkyxcubeRockbox boot loader > Version : 200601126-1839 > IPOD version: 0xFFFFFFF > TOSHIBA MK6008GAH > Partition 1: 0x0B 57121 M
14:33:28SkyxcubeLoading Rockbox... WHAT GOES TO Rockbox error -1
14:33:50SkyxcubeThen Loading original firmware... and returns to the last message
14:33:56Skyxcube(loading rockbox)
14:34:07peturhave you copied rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder to your ipod?
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14:36:06Skyxcubeon the french forum where i found information about installation they wrote to disconnect and reconnect my ipod before copy the firmware
14:36:33Skyxcube"they wrote i have to"*
14:36:59Skyxcube(i think it isn very clever finally lol)
14:37:29peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple
14:37:36Skyxcubei can reboot my ipod with MENU + OK but it continue after reboot...
14:38:46peturand http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Recovering_from_a_crash
14:39:11Skyxcubethis first method doesn't work i tried it all this night lol
14:40:07Skyxcubethe select button is OK?
14:40:16Skyxcubethe middle button?
14:40:32peturwouldn't know, I don't have an ipod ;)
14:40:45peturjust try
14:41:16Skyxcubeyouhouuuuu
14:41:31Skyxcubeis says : ok to disconnect
14:41:32Paul_The_NerdSkyxcube: Hold Menu+Select, then as soon as the screen clears, hold Menu+Play
14:41:51Paul_The_NerdSkyxcube: You haven't copied over rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder yet, have you?
14:42:00peturah, there you are :D
14:42:02Skyxcubei havent
14:42:20Skyxcubeaaaa it's restart like yesterday
14:42:40Skyxcubebut it's new with this method
14:42:56Paul_The_NerdRockbox won't start until you've copied those files over.
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14:43:31Skyxcubei know but my pc dont want to find my ipod
14:43:48Skyxcubebut now its good my ipod is regognized!!
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14:44:06Skyxcubeoooo thank you very much!!!!
14:44:28SkyxcubeMERCI MERCI MERCI MERCI MERCI!!!!
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14:46:06Paul_The_NerdGood luck
14:46:23Skyxcube:) now i can run rockbox :d
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15:11:03markunamiconn: is that your sister who just made a wiki account?
15:11:32amiconnyup
15:12:01markunYou're private beta tester :)
15:12:08markunyour
15:13:47markunWe are making progress with the gigabeat port btw. If we continue like this we should have 2 new columns added to the build table soon.
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15:19:20dj-futhat sounds promising
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15:53:27*amiconn "thanks" Slasheri for breaking the charging anim on player :(
15:54:50preglowmarkun: cool
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16:04:51scott666_Will tagcashe find music in the default ipod_control/music folder?
16:13:04preglowamiconn: just installed rockbox to a mini, no hitches
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16:23:26preglowrelease is put off, heh
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16:25:09whatboutbobHehe...i guessed. I was just being a smartarse.
16:25:32crashdscott666|work: yeah
16:25:42crashdand, as long as they are tagged properly, you won't have any problems
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16:26:23lamedhi guys
16:26:25scott666|workyeah, someone at work asked me to put rockbox on their ipod
16:26:27scott666|workso i did
16:26:37scfdo cvs builds contain album art?
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16:26:43scott666|workand now neither tagcache nor the apple firmware can see his music
16:26:48crashdscott666|work: no
16:27:00crashdscott666|work: well, rockbox can always see it, if you use file browser
16:27:06crashdinstead of ID3 Tag Cache Browsing
16:27:28scott666|workyeah but theyre in those FP0 folders
16:27:31crashdso there must be something awry there, either you didnt transfer them properly, or you've got it set to not browse using file browser/all files
16:27:31whatboutbobpreglow: have you had another crack at optical, or have you given up in exasperation?
16:27:34scott666|workor whatever
16:27:45crashdscott666|work: well, tagcache should be fine, have you re-jigged the database?
16:28:01scott666|worki didnt touch his music, just installed rockbox
16:28:01scott666|workforce update? yeah
16:28:03scott666|workis there more to it then that?
16:28:10crashdnot afaia
16:28:45lamedsorry for interferencing, a question: do you think assigning a button is hackish - like this : if (rb->button_hold()) ; button = QUIT;
16:29:01scott666|workwhen i click artists with view set to id3 database it just sits there
16:29:03preglowwhatboutbob: haven't had time
16:29:10lamedor is this no problem and could be accepted in CVS?
16:29:19crashdscott666|work: might be worth checking your doing everything right, and then filing a bug report then
16:29:27crashdi dont use tagcache, so cant really help you much further
16:29:52scott666|workyeah, i dont either
16:30:02scott666|worki think im just gonna tell him to re-copy his music to it
16:30:05crashdhehe
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16:30:48whatboutbobpreglow: no worries. sorry...I shouldn't harrass you about it. henceforth i'll assume you'll mention it if you make any progess.
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16:33:41whatboutbobby-the-by...have you guys seen the ebay prices for 'new' H140's atm? $150 is just crazy.
16:34:18preglowyeah, i'll be asking for testers
16:34:25preglowoh
16:35:10whatboutbob...the damn sellers only ship to north america tho.
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16:36:13whatboutbob'tis prolly for the best. I surely don't need *another* spare unit.
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16:38:02preglowseems like this mini has serious battery problems
16:39:37lameddo you think assigning a button is hackish - like this : if (rb->button_hold()) ; button = PAUSE; the idea is to have the game auto pause when hold switch is on the simplest way, without duplicating code. is this trick ok?
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16:46:51lamedhmmm.. anyone, please?
16:47:00Rickkkkhiya ppl
16:48:26preglowi have no idea about button code
16:50:01Mikachulamed: you could just add another case with a fallthrough
16:50:11scfI have X5 and scrolling flickers here, it is related to X5 only or rockbox in general?
16:50:14Mikachulamed: no wait i'm stupid
16:50:15Mikachuheh
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16:59:07lamedwell i just gonna upload it to FS and hope it'll get in, I think it's fairly good. cya all, tanks
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17:10:20|Unknown|hey
17:10:53|Unknown|does anyone know how to apply patches here?
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17:13:28Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
17:15:05|Unknown|the patch tool doesnt work
17:15:06|Unknown|http://www.fsf.org/software/patch/patch.html
17:15:49crashd|Unknown|: what platform are you using?
17:16:28|Unknown|windows
17:16:35crashdare you using cygwin?
17:16:37|Unknown|xp
17:16:40|Unknown|ya
17:16:52crashdif you installed the 'patch' package when you installed cygwin, or updated to it
17:16:54Mikachuwhat do you mean with "doesnt work"?
17:17:00crashdthen you shouldnt have any problems
17:17:15|Unknown|ok
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18:06:35dricxi just wanna know when the rockbox team are going to release the gigabeat firmware??
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18:53:32ravonAnyone else who get crashes when using profiling?
18:54:54ravonThis is so sweet. NSF sound works (only in 22kHz though) with seeking as subsong switching emulation.
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20:24:39amiconnBagder: I've prepared sh-elf-gcc 4.0.3 on my build machine. Switching will be a simple operation now...
20:24:50amiconnBu /me has no time right now, bbl
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20:25:47fubaranything new out?
20:26:05Mikachuanything specific you're looking for?
20:26:20fubarnah, just wondering what awesome work the author's have completed
20:26:28Mikachuread the changelog :)
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20:46:25paisjis it possible to overclock ipod's cpu? LoL!!!
20:47:17Paul_The_Nerdpaisj: I think it's possible, I suppose, but it's probably not going to be stable, have miserable battery life, and possible die a horribly melty death.
20:47:31Mikachuthe max freq in the specs are 80mhz i think
20:48:27Mikachuand the minimum is 24khz or so
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20:49:21linuxstb24khz would be fun...
20:49:21Paul_The_NerdActually it depends on which iPod you have
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20:49:36Paul_The_NerdI think the Mini's max is supposed to be 100?
20:49:44linuxstbIt is.
20:50:10Mikachubut rockbox runs 75 on all?
20:50:37linuxstbThe maximum is 75, yes.
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20:53:43paisjhi ya all!!! Any way to get rockboy for nano?
20:59:42paisjdfsg
20:59:55peturlinuxstb: saw the wps backdrop change on usb? I think that should be enough to fix that problem (from a short look at that code)
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21:00:20linuxstbYes, I did notice that. Thanks for fixing.
21:00:45peturAm going through 3.0 bugreports that I can fix ;)
21:01:46peturI am fixing the clashing of voice and recording atm, and I've had to reduce the recording buffer with the voice buffer
21:02:19peturthe nice thing is, I noticed voice and recording go together (even recorded voice output as proof)
21:02:48Paul_The_Nerdpaisj: It's not easy, which is why nobody's done it yet. Most of the people with the skill are working on more important things.
21:03:04peturnow I just want to make the recording screen voiced...
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21:07:53MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: ? rockbox works pretty well on nanons
21:08:13linuxstbrockboy...
21:08:31paisjexactly
21:08:32Mikachuah right, you could have picked a less stupid name :P
21:08:54paisjr u talkin to me?
21:09:16Paul_The_NerdYeah, Rockbox with a plugin named Rockboy leads to ALL kinds of confusion.
21:09:54Paul_The_NerdAt least X and Y are far enough apart on the keyboard (at least a QWERTY, I'm not familiar with Dvorak) that I tend to assume it's not a typo
21:10:06Mikachuonly one bit differs too :)
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21:10:54Paul_The_NerdThat is true
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21:12:48romanos_melodos:P
21:13:01peturI knew it was you :P
21:13:07romanos_melodoshehehe
21:13:14romanos_melodos:P
21:13:20Paul_The_NerdPlease tell me you're not also the person PMing me on the forums right now too.
21:13:34romanos_melodoshahahahahaghhahahahahaa
21:13:39romanos_melodoshillarious
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21:14:10romanos_melodoswere u just answering back?
21:14:13romanos_melodoshahaha
21:14:18romanos_melodosoh gosh
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21:14:42Mikachuyou greeks sure talk a lot
21:14:48romanos_melodosyep
21:15:02*petur hands Paul_The_Nerd a large *frozen* trout
21:15:11Mikachuit's considered rude, at least by me, to ask the same question in many places at the same time
21:15:23romanos_melodos?
21:15:26romanos_melodoswhy is that
21:15:39Mikachuwhy do you think?
21:15:41Paul_The_NerdFor example you end up with the same person answering you in two places.
21:15:52romanos_melodosi didn't knew
21:15:56Mikachuor two different people, wasting their time
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21:17:15romanos_melodosi just didn't knew that paul is llorean..
21:17:21romanos_melodoswhatever
21:17:25Mikachuit doesn't matter if it's the same person
21:17:27Paul_The_NerdWell the other thing is if one person answers your question here, you've wasted someone else's time there
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21:18:37romanos_melodosdunno.. i'm sorrry
21:18:47romanos_melodosi'm just trying to make this thing works
21:19:10romanos_melodosmaybe someone else want that thing working in his nano as well
21:19:29midkayyes, many do. nobody wants to actually do it, though.
21:19:31romanos_melodosso , if we made something out of this would be really appreciated by someone else as well
21:19:52Mikachuromanos_melodos: you might have better luck after the feature freeze
21:21:06romanos_melodoswhatever
21:21:11Paul_The_NerdThe other is that you might actually have better luck simply posting a single message in the iPod forums, as you've asked here before and found nobody here is really interested in doing it. I believe there's already a feature request, and it'll get done *eventually*
21:21:27Paul_The_NerdAs it is, you're not going to be able to actually *play* Rockboy properly
21:21:37Paul_The_NerdFor the moment it's simply much easier to just install iPodLinux and use its gameboy emulator
21:22:02romanos_melodosyeah but i mean.. how is it possible to use that for nano?
21:22:17romanos_melodoshaven't they got the same problem with x and y axis?
21:22:45romanos_melodosor they really found a way for a universal kinda thing that works on all lcd's by resizing?
21:22:48Mikachuthere are 96 buttons on the wheel, it's pretty hard to hit the right one though
21:23:01midkayMikachu, only like four are used, right?
21:23:13Mikachumidkay: no i'm talking about the touch sensors
21:23:16romanos_melodosi reckon
21:23:32midkayMikachu, right. but i mean there are 96, but they aren't all ever used at once.
21:23:49midkayif they were, it would indeed be hard. but only four buttons are made of that 96..
21:23:52midkayor less.
21:23:53Paul_The_NerdMikachu: They only divide it into 8 for the Gameboy, lumping nearby ones together.
21:23:55Mikachumidkay: it only sends the one that is detected the most
21:24:06MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: yeah i was going to say that eventually
21:24:07Mikachu:)
21:24:18Mikachumidkay: but you can detect all 96 separately
21:24:25midkayMikachu, yes, of course :)
21:24:34Mikachubut only one at a time
21:24:42Paul_The_Nerdromanos_melodos: They use a completely different gameboy emulator, so their problems are not the same as ours.
21:25:07romanos_melodosPaul_The_Nerd: i really apologise for breakin your balls back at the forum :P
21:25:40Paul_The_NerdDon't worry, compared to some of the questions I've been asked, yours weren't nearly as clueless as they seemed. :-P
21:26:00romanos_melodos:P
21:27:20romanos_melodoseventually i will end up using ipl's iboy i think.. but i really wanted to avoid this, as my nano has only 2GB and i heard some negative comments about rockbox performance after installing ipl..
21:27:40Paul_The_NerdThere's no reason at all for iPL to affect Rockbox's performance...
21:28:49romanos_melodosdunno.. just read that somewhere.
21:28:58romanos_melodosi'll give it a shot then
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21:29:42Paul_The_NerdPeople tend to spread a lot of false information about various things because when something goes wrong they like to have a convenient place to lay the blame.
21:30:02romanos_melodos:) that was exactly what i was about to say
21:30:21Paul_The_NerdFor example, all those "I followed the instructions exactly but Rockbox won't install there's something wrong with your software" posts that eventually resolve to "Oh, I skipped that step. It gave me some sort of error message, but I didn't read it. I didn't think it was important."
21:30:50romanos_melodostotally true
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21:31:23romanos_melodosbut it happens all the time.. and that includes everyone of us
21:31:29midkayPaul_The_Nerd, haha, i love those.. 'my ipod won't start but i followed all the steps' and half an hour later it's determined that they typed something wrong and got an error, but ignored it.
21:31:56romanos_melodosi had the same problem with doom one month ag
21:31:57romanos_melodoso
21:32:21Mikachuare you calling me stupid?
21:32:25Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah, I don't understand the whole "ignoring error messages and hoping everything works when I pretend it didn't happen" mentality.
21:32:27Mikachu+ smiley
21:32:35MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: blame windows
21:32:56peturSEP
21:32:59midkayPaul_The_Nerd, yeah.. haha.
21:33:22romanos_melodosis it possible to overclock ipod's cpu's? LOL :P
21:33:36midkayhahahahahahahahaha. yes.
21:33:38midkay:)
21:33:47Paul_The_NerdWe already covered that one.
21:34:07romanos_melodosi missed that :P
21:34:13Mikachuromanos_melodos: also appreciated on the internet are people who ask questions, then ignore the answer, then ask the same fscking question again
21:34:24romanos_melodosyeah
21:34:46romanos_melodosbut you were talking for something else
21:34:57romanos_melodosso i didn't want to interrupt..
21:35:05peturwtf, voice hanging on boot seems to be a timing issue, putting a splash before/after makes it go away :(
21:35:23peturI hate those kind of bugs
21:35:41Paul_The_NerdSo throw a sleep in there and call it a temporary hack fix, and then forget about it for six months until it becomes a real problem?
21:35:42Mikachuromanos_melodos: how is answering your exact question "talking about something else"?
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21:36:36romanos_melodosMikachu you don't have to take things that serious..
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21:37:11Paul_The_NerdWell, we have a lot of people in here who do a lot of stuff like that, so it's a good idea to explain to people early on that it's not appreciated.
21:38:09peturPaul_The_Nerd: not my kind of fix, thank you - note, I've seen this kind of fixes in the past and I hate them more than the bug they try to fix
21:38:48Paul_The_Nerdpetur: It was more a joke than anything else, which is why I went on to the whole "six months later" thing. :)
21:39:05petursure, I knew :)
21:39:22Paul_The_NerdAlright hten
21:39:26peturjust needed a reason to rant a bit more about it :D
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21:40:10Paul_The_NerdFair deal then
21:40:24romanos_melodosi'm looking at the ipl tutorial right now, and i have to say that it looks frustrating .. :P
21:40:39midkayand i'm absolutely obligated to say good luck!
21:40:43romanos_melodosi thought it would be much more easier
21:40:59romanos_melodosholy shit
21:41:05romanos_melodossomeone just crashed
21:41:09midkaysimple installation is not a feature of iPL..
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21:41:28midkaylike outside your house!?
21:41:55Paul_The_Nerdromanos_melodos: Yes. So now you have a clear idea of the minimum difficulty of getting Rockboy on Nano working. IpodLinux installation is *quite* easy in comparision. Piece of cake.
21:43:13romanos_melodosyeah
21:43:16romanos_melodosomg
21:43:24romanos_melodosthat was fuckin awesome
21:43:36romanos_melodoscarcrash
21:43:40romanos_melodos:P
21:43:42midkayvery expensive cars involved?!
21:43:46peturawesome?
21:43:51romanos_melodosrealx , no casualties
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21:45:05midkaywhee!
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21:45:32romanos_melodosnah.. not that expensive.. just a fiesta with another renault
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21:46:31romanos_melodosit's kinda cool cause it's at the front door of my house
21:46:32romanos_melodoslol
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21:46:53romanos_melodosfuckin cops will arrive soon
21:47:17midkayhaha.
21:47:32romanos_melodos:P
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21:51:07romanos_melodosi'm reading the instructions for installing ipl into ipod. After installing ipl , can i just place the .rockbox file on my fat root partition without doing the formating in the rockbox wiki?
21:51:45romanos_melodosi mean , there are some instructions on the rockbox page for the boot partition
21:52:46romanos_melodosso can i just follow ipl's instructions and just get the rockbox folder on my already created partition that i used to configure ipl?
21:53:18midkayhuh? /.rockbox and rockbox.ipod belong on the large music fat32 partition.
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21:54:30romanos_melodosoh ok
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21:55:03romanos_melodosapple firmware and rockbox are on the same folder?
21:55:12romanos_melodoson the same partition?
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22:09:22peturdoes create_thread() always create the thread or check if the thread already exists?
22:12:16peturbleh... uninitialized variable
22:12:59ravonI really wish gcc was a little more strict about that.
22:13:25peturmaybe it doesn't complain because it's static volatile?
22:13:42peturI have little experience with gcc
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22:15:19romanos_melodosgreek food is the best food around the world
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22:16:56romanos_melodosi'm tired of eating all the english crap
22:17:43ravonbah, you have all the beer
22:17:43BHSPitMonkeywtf is English food, for that matter
22:17:50ravonYou, the germans and the irish.
22:18:05BHSPitMonkeytea and crumpets?
22:18:23romanos_melodosi'm not in it for a dispute between nations..
22:18:39BHSPitMonkeymeh
22:18:41BHSPitMonkeyjust wondering
22:19:05BHSPitMonkeynever really associated England as having its own international food variety
22:19:14Mikachufish and chips?
22:19:17romanos_melodosyeah
22:19:25romanos_melodosthey're great
22:19:27BHSPitMonkeyheh
22:19:38romanos_melodosbut i can't eat fish & chips the rest of my life
22:19:40BHSPitMonkeymaybe I shouldn't have brought it up
22:19:44BHSPitMonkeynow I'm hungry
22:19:48romanos_melodosyeah
22:19:50romanos_melodosme too
22:19:50ravonI'm amazed UK doesn't beat US in fatso.
22:19:51BHSPitMonkeyromanos_melodos, order a pizza
22:19:55romanos_melodosnah
22:20:04romanos_melodosdone that last thursday
22:20:08BHSPitMonkeymeh
22:20:14BHSPitMonkeyI could go for a pizza right now...
22:20:21BHSPitMonkeyanything would suffice though
22:20:22romanos_melodosi had souvlaki from a greek taverna yesterday
22:20:25BHSPitMonkeysomeone DCC me a sandwich
22:20:30romanos_melodosit was freakin gorgeous :P
22:20:40ravonWhat's the status of gcc 4.1? Does Rockbox work with it?
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22:21:37romanos_melodosbtw, why the heel don't they replace hams and pizzas with souvlaki? You guys have to give it a shot
22:21:46romanos_melodoswhy the hell .. lol
22:21:51romanos_melodos:P
22:22:47romanos_melodosthey constantly feed us with all the shit.. political shit.. food shit..
22:22:49romanos_melodosdamn
22:24:13romanos_melodosthanx god that someone created rockbox and i don't have to stick in with apple's stupid firmware :P
22:25:10romanos_melodosi think gnu , is much better than paying for something..
22:25:25romanos_melodoswindows vs linux rockbox vs apple tec..
22:25:27romanos_melodosetc.
22:26:23romanos_melodosso quality is not always a matter of money..
22:26:43romanos_melodosbut all these thoughts made me even hungrier :P
22:27:33ravonuh. "region PLUGIN_IRAM is full". Doesn't work :/
22:27:36scfthinking takes pawa :D
22:27:59Mikachuthinking takes twice the power of resting
22:28:05Mikachuravon: what are you doing?
22:28:18ravonMikachu: Trying to compile with gcc 4.1
22:28:22Mikachuah
22:28:25Mikachumaybe it produces larger code
22:28:43ravonMost of it compiled. It stopped a the vorbis codec.
22:29:00Mikachuthe vorbis codec isn't put in iram on ipods because it's too large
22:29:06Mikachumaybe gcc 4.1 put it over the limit for your...?
22:29:20ravonX5
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22:29:41Mikachuyou could try randomly removing a few lines with ICODE_ATTR in the tremor/ dir
22:29:49ravonoki
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22:30:34Mikachui think i only had to remove one to enable it
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22:31:29ravonyup, compiles now
22:31:58romanos_melodosguys i need some help with ipl.. if i install ipl in my nano do i have to follow again tha steps for creating the boot partition from the rockbox page?
22:32:15Mikachuyou don't have to
22:32:34Mikachuyou can ignore all the steps on installing ipl that involve touching the boot partition
22:32:36romanos_melodosso can i just stick my .rockbox file to my root fat partition?
22:32:51Mikachuare we reformatting the fat partition here?
22:33:00romanos_melodosoh
22:33:01romanos_melodoswait
22:33:10Mikachu.rockbox is a directory, not a file...
22:33:16romanos_melodosi have to make everything from the beginning right?
22:33:25Mikachuyou have to resize either sda1 or sda2 to fit the linux partition
22:33:35romanos_melodosyikes..
22:33:36Mikachubut it's not recommended to shrink sda1
22:33:40romanos_melodosand how do i do that?
22:33:54Mikachuthat would be detailed in the ipl installation instructions
22:33:58romanos_melodosyeah
22:34:13romanos_melodosso should i just back up everything and follow the ipl instructions?
22:34:25Mikachuthat would be the most failsafe method
22:34:31Mikachui think
22:34:40romanos_melodoshave u done it on yours?
22:34:45Mikachui installed ipl first
22:34:48romanos_melodosi mean installing ipl..
22:35:05Mikachubefore rockbox
22:35:08romanos_melodosyeah
22:35:24romanos_melodoshow many partitions do i have to do?
22:35:30Paul_The_NerdI installed iPL after Rockbox, but if "resize the fat32 partition and use the remaining space to create an ext3 partition" doesn't bring to mind immediate images of how to do it, you're probably best following their instructions
22:35:41Mikachuwhat he said
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22:40:13RaeNyeAnyone alive here? Let's talk about X5 dual-boot.
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22:40:44ravonFor some reason my CVS builds _always_ restart the first time I boot Rockbox. Works good the second time though.
22:41:03Paul_The_NerdRaeNye: Most of the core devs are focused on things that actually pertain to the 3.0 release right now, since it's behind schedule
22:42:09RaeNyeMY X5 dual-boot
22:42:19RaeNye(I have a problem with my patch)
22:42:29Paul_The_NerdWhat kinda problem?
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22:43:48RaeNyeADC read fails
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22:44:04RaeNye(it always boots RB)
22:44:32RaeNyeI rebased the RB bootloader and added a check for REC button
22:46:38Mikachumaybe some stuff isn't initialised at that point
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22:47:26RaeNyeNo, I call the function from the preloader (the firmware part from 0x0 to 0x10000)
22:47:55RaeNyeIt uses ADC to check for low batt before passing control to the firmware
22:48:28Mikachumaybe the buttons require special init
22:49:22RaeNyeRB doesn't do any special ADC init
22:50:54RaeNyethe code just does "write(0x2f, <requested adc channel>); result = read(0x30)"
22:50:57Mikachubutton_init has some stuff for X5
22:51:03Mikachu#elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5_PAD
22:51:03Mikachu /* Power, Remote Play & Hold switch */
22:51:03Mikachu GPIO_FUNCTION |= 0x0e000000;
22:51:03Mikachu GPIO_ENABLE &= ~0x0e000000;
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22:51:23Mikachui am sort of guessing here
22:51:59RaeNyethat's for the non-ADC stuff.
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22:52:19RaeNyehold/on for the main unit and the remote have their own GPIO pin
22:52:36RaeNyeADC goes through PCF50606's I2C
22:53:06OnkelJonas2hey... anyone care to try and help me? I have managed to almost kill off my ihp120 :(
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22:54:00bluefoxicyrolling back a week
22:54:05bluefoxicyI'm getting all static on the daily builds
22:54:42Mikachueq on?
22:55:20OnkelJonas2anyways - bootloader usb mode works and I can boot the original firmware, but it freezes with a blank screen when booting rockbox :(
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22:55:55bluefoxicyMikachu: nope. ipod video
22:56:02RaeNyeOnkel: try to reset settings or install a fresh rockbox?
22:56:16Mikachubluefoxicy: eq = equaliser
22:56:16bluefoxicyhmm
22:56:21bluefoxicymust be me
22:56:29bluefoxicyI was untaring everything but the configurations overtop the existing dirs
22:56:32Mikachubluefoxicy: do i remember your name from #ocremix?
22:56:46bluefoxicyMikachu: yes, what the hell do you think is on my iPod, the spice girls?
22:56:58Mikachu:P
22:57:17Mikachuhaven't been there in years
22:57:27bluefoxicy:P
22:57:42OnkelJonas2I've tried with several builds already...
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22:58:45RaeNyeit shows anything before freezing?
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22:59:17OnkelJonas2yea... 2 seconds
22:59:20clutchcool.
22:59:46RaeNyeyou get to see the RB boot text? the RB logo?
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23:00:50OnkelJonas2sorry... it doesn't have a blank screen - I get:
23:00:50OnkelJonas2Rockbox boot loader
23:00:50OnkelJonas2Version 6
23:00:50DBUGEnqueued KICK OnkelJonas2
23:00:50OnkelJonas2Batt: x.xxV"
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23:02:09OnkelJonas2I played around with Linux on it, and likely did funky stuff to the partitiontable/mbr or whatever...
23:02:32OnkelJonas2I reformatted as fat32 in windows XP
23:03:03OnkelJonas2the original firmware has no problems at all it appears
23:03:29RaeNyehow many partitions do you have on it?
23:03:38OnkelJonas2only 1 now
23:04:13RaeNyewhich cluster size?
23:04:22OnkelJonas2good question :)
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23:04:48RaeNyecreate a 1 byte file and see its "size on disk"
23:05:23OnkelJonas216KB
23:05:28RaeNyeHD is 20GB?
23:05:33OnkelJonas2yes
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23:06:05RaeNyeI think you could do with 8kb. My X5L assumes cluster size is at most 8kb
23:06:38OnkelJonasthx... I'll try that
23:06:43RaeNyeGood luck!
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23:07:40RaeNyeHi Jens. Would you like to help me with my X5 dual-boot patch?
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23:10:02amiconnRaeNye: I don't know how I could help. I have no X5
23:10:31amiconnFurthermore, working towards the 3.0 release certainly has priority, and X5 isn't a 3.0 release target
23:10:43RaeNyeMaybe you have a iriver and you know anything about ADC...
23:11:14RaeNyeI know X5 is only scheduled at 3.1, but I believe I'm almost there.
23:11:27OnkelJonaspfff... I can't change clustersize when formatting in windows. Anyone know of a quick tool to do that with?
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23:11:35amiconnlinuxstb: I have some 'complaints' about sudoku...
23:12:08RaeNyeI rebased the RB bootloader, merged it into the OF and added a check for REC button. But ADC write fails and it always boots RB :(
23:12:29peturamiconn: is it ok for you that I move the start of the recording buffer after the voice buffer (talk_get_buffersize)? it solves the clash but decreases the recording buffer a bit.
23:12:32amiconn(1) The automatic game generation on startup isn't interruptable. Very annoying if you have to wait a minute before being able to do anything
23:13:02amiconnpetur: Sure, I thought it would already be handled that way until your discovery...
23:13:39peturok, after that commit I can see to get the recording screen voiced
23:13:50amiconn(2) The game generation doesn't even yield, so it interferes with music playback. On swcodec it stops within seconds, on archos it stops when the buffer is empty
23:14:32amiconnpetur: For voicing the recording screen we _have_ to push per-platform .lang entries forward
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23:15:33peturwell only SWCODEC targets will support it *if* they do audio full duplex (which the iriver does without effort it seems)
23:16:21amiconn(3) If you call 'new' from the menu, then set up your own game, then call 'save' the filename input line is empty. This is very confusing because you have to know that you have to input the whole path, and rockbox only accepts absolute paths...
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23:17:15amiconnpetur: Yes. I mean, the <voice> entries in the .lang for the recording screen should depend on the target
23:17:33peturgotcha
23:17:36amiconnThis also means generating per-platform voice files (which is planned)
23:18:07peturI'll better look at the crash-at-boot bug then...
23:18:09amiconnI wonder whether we'll hear anything from Cassandra regarding at&t before release...
23:18:20RaeNyeWould you recommend me any X5 owner to discuss my patch with?
23:18:32peturLinusN?
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23:19:26peturI mean... RaeNye: LinusN?
23:19:30amiconnpetur: There is still a load of bugs to fix... I wonder whether we'll be able to release on the 15th
23:19:36RaeNyeyeah, I PM'd him. I guess I'll wait until he logs in.
23:19:57peturamiconn: most are playback/voice related
23:20:21amiconnThere are also some bugs on hwcodec introduced by uncautious changes...
23:21:03amiconn(and some old ones nobody bothered to fix until today, like the player credits bug introduced with unicode support)
23:23:11CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 minutes and 50 seconds at the last flood
23:23:11*amiconn wants back his charging anim on player :/
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23:24:08amiconnpetur: Speaking about voice, there's also a bug on archos that _seems_ to be introduced recently, but I can't see why yet
23:24:33amiconnOn Ondio, voice doesn't work after booting. It starts working after playing some music
23:24:43amiconnOn recorders and player it works...
23:25:09*amiconn has to figure out what's going on there
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23:28:37MoosRaeNye: you can use the mailing list maybe you'll got luck
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23:29:08markunamiconn: I had a patch for the player credis bug
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23:32:45RaeNyeMoos: 10x, I will. The forums don't seem to be the correct place for such technicalities, but rockbox-dev sure is.
23:33:16Moosyep the developer one seems to be fine for this
23:33:25*RaeNye snaps his finger
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23:36:57amiconnmarkun: Have a link? Is it in the tracker?
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23:40:30peturhmmm... this seems sooo wrong:
23:41:29peturat startup, via audio_init somehow a filebuf gets set to audiobuf, then talk_init is called and also uses that buffer
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23:55:44*amiconn wonders whether he should open bug reports for the bugs known to him
23:55:52amiconnNone of these are in the tracker...
23:57:15peturdoes anybody know WHY talk_init() is done after audio_init and pcm_rec_init? because swapping them around seems to fix the voice crash at boot...
23:57:36peturit seems so wrong to me there must be a reason I'm not seeing
23:58:06*petur is affraid to break some obscure feature he doesn't use
23:58:25amiconnI think talk_init() has to be done after audio_init() on hwcodec
23:58:35amiconnNote that I am not sure

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