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#rockbox log for 2006-05-03

00:00:27amiconnBagder: One of the build servers is causing major lags...
00:01:35Bagderugh
00:01:58Mikachucan't you send out the same job to many servers and just take the first that finishes?
00:02:08Mikachuwell, obviously you can, but is it a bad idea?
00:02:28BagderMikachu: not if you can stop the other ones' jobs at that point
00:02:47Bagderin general they all build
00:02:59amiconn639 seconds for the H300 build...........
00:03:00Bagderits just towards the end that only some servers build
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00:03:56Bagderme removes that one
00:04:34amiconn639 seconds is more than my pathetic cygwin takes for H300
00:06:32*Bagder mails admin
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00:08:32*amiconn wonders whether it would be a good or bad idea to enable m68k builds for his server
00:08:46t0mashm
00:08:52t0masdo we support ipod mini 4g's?
00:09:01linuxstbThere is no such thing.
00:09:02amiconnThere are no mini 4g's
00:09:05Bagder4GB
00:09:10Mikachunot that either i think
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00:09:36amiconnI now have a working m68k-elf-gcc on amd64, but with the circumvent-the-failing-check patch. I wonder whether this might hit us in some way
00:10:22 Quit psii ()
00:10:53linuxstbt0mas: But I think the answer is yes - Rockbox works on both types of mini - first and second generation, and any disk capacity.
00:11:15t0masok
00:11:41t0masthat was indeed the question
00:12:00t0masbut they person I'm talking to thinks he has an ipod mini 4th generation
00:12:25amiconnThere are only 1st and 2nd gen minis
00:12:33linuxstbYou should ask if the disk capacity is written on the back. If it is, then it's a 2nd gen, otherwise a 1st gen.
00:13:00amiconnFirst gen was 4GB (and perhaps 2GB - not sure). Second gen is 4GB and 6GB
00:13:15Mikachuoh, i thought it was 3 and 6, there i go
00:14:11amiconn(and second gen has way better battery life, and the more powerful CPU (but we don't clock it faster in cvs than 1st gen and other ipods)
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00:15:08linuxstbYes, according to Apple, the 1st gen gets 8 hours, the 2nd gen gets 18 hours...
00:15:40amiconnI get 11 hours with rockbox, mp3 playback
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00:16:02amiconnPerhaps I should repeat the test with the improved mp3 codec
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00:16:37preglowamiconn: would be interesting
00:17:06preglowamiconn: that sounds like the best performing ipod we've got at the moment
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00:17:17amiconnHehe :)
00:17:30preglowi don't think i can get 11 with my nano
00:17:47amiconnand also the most scratch-resistant (together with mini 1st gen of course) :-P
00:18:41linuxstbApple's claims are: 60GB 5g - 20 hours, 30GB 5g - 14 hours, Nano - 14 hours, Color/Photo - 15 hours, 4g - 12 hours, 1g-3g - 8 hours.
00:19:06markunamiconn: I'm here now
00:19:15linuxstbOdd that the Color/Photo is claimed to perform better than the Nano - it seems to be a _lot_ worse with Rockbox.
00:19:44amiconnmarkun: Hope you don't mind that I've committed your playercredits patch meanwhile. It's working fine...
00:20:02markunno, I don't mind it at all
00:20:09t0masanybody here into podcasting?
00:20:11amiconnlinuxstb: That points towards bad disk performance in rockbox
00:20:36t0masI'm talking to the development team at podshow (Adam Curry's company - www.podshow.com)
00:20:49t0masthinking about some interesting podcast features to add to rockbox
00:21:00t0masto make it more attractive than the original ipod firmware for example
00:21:16linuxstbIsn't the main issue the PC side of things? i.e. downloading and syncing.
00:21:23t0masyes
00:21:29t0masthey're working on some syncing
00:21:40t0masdeveloping their own downloading tools
00:22:04t0masit's closed beta now, so I can't really say anything other than "looks really promising"
00:22:35amiconnlinuxstb: Here's my coarse estimation what I would expect from current rockbox: 60GB 5g - 12 hours, 30GB 5g - 8.5 hours, Nano - 8.5 hours, Color/Photo - 9 hours, 4g - 7 hours.
00:23:08amiconnI guess we are below that for all mentioned ipods except nano?
00:23:24preglowyes
00:23:28preglowespecially for 5g
00:23:35leftnight
00:23:36preglowand photo
00:23:46 Part left
00:23:47preglowwhat do you base those estimations on?
00:24:15amiconnJust my numbers (and the nano's) compared to apple's promises
00:24:30preglowwhat kind of disk is in the minis, btw?
00:24:33amiconnWe should measure disk performance...
00:24:43amiconnHitachi microdrive
00:24:51amiconn0.85"
00:24:52*goffa___ would believe amiconn over apple
00:25:21amiconnI.e. mechanical disk, but with very low inertia. 500ms spinup time...
00:25:29goffa___just like cowon... 35 hours on the x5l.. pfft
00:25:55amiconngoffa___: I do believe that it reaches 35 hours with stock firmware
00:26:06amiconnrockbox' codecs still need optimisation work
00:26:24amiconn(not only the codecs though)
00:26:37preglowno, not only, but they are a big part of it
00:26:38goffa___amiconn: i don't believe that... well if you run 96kbps ogg with no random on, low volume, and never fire up the lcd
00:26:45goffa___then you may get close
00:27:03amiconnMy guess is that mp3 performs significantly better than ogg
00:27:23goffa___well ok.. at the same bitrate
00:27:26amiconn(if cowon uses the motorola codec, which I woul dexpect)
00:27:32amiconnNot at the same bitrate
00:27:41amiconnat roughly same quality
00:27:43goffa___well then according to my tests, you are wrong :)
00:28:09preglowsounds unlikely
00:28:17preglowdoes x5 support mp2 and mp1?
00:28:34goffa___for vid?
00:28:41preglowfor music
00:28:50goffa___don't think so
00:28:55markungoffa___: you have a X5L?
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00:29:00preglowthen odds are good again they use the motorola codec
00:29:08preglowin which case there's no chance in hell ogg outperforms it
00:29:56goffa___markun: yes
00:30:14goffa___ok... just going by personal experience
00:30:19markunhowmany mAh does it have?
00:30:19goffa___and testing
00:30:23goffa___2250
00:30:24*amiconn just installed a current build on his mini2g
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00:30:36amiconnNow it's charging, test starting tomorrow morning...
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01:07:05user01whats the best portable player to get if i want to install rockbox?
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01:07:48midkaywhichever sounds good to you. you could ask, and then get our opinions. we don't know anything about your requirements or needs.
01:08:17user01midkay: i need to be able to play ogg files and flac would be nice too
01:08:29midkaythen any supported iriver or iPod.
01:09:19user01midkay: is ipod linux the same thing?
01:09:29midkaynot nearly, no.
01:09:39preglowwoot
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01:09:52midkayipodlinux is mostly about "i can run linux on my ipod, weehee.. oh, and i have a number of games".
01:10:03user01midkay: is rockbox debian based?
01:10:06preglowusable ubuntu with low-latency audio? this is unreal
01:10:07midkayrockbox is about music playback and actual mp3-player usability..
01:10:24midkayuser01, no, completely written from-scratch.
01:10:26linuxstbuser01: Rockbox has nothing to do with Linux.
01:11:15user01user01: oh, i would like to be able to install a latex system too that would be cool...dont think theyve done that yet though
01:11:59midkaya latex system?
01:12:17midkayseems quite unlikely.. on an mp3 player?..
01:12:27user01yeah, that would be cool to be able to create pdfs when ur bored
01:12:38*midkay stares
01:12:45midkaywe can't even read PDFs yet.
01:12:52midkaywe can create and view text files, though..
01:12:54linuxstbyet?
01:13:14midkaylinuxstb, i won't rule it out.. we've got 33-shade grayscale on old 1-bit LCDs ;)
01:13:36midkayhad you asked me which was more likely before the grayscale stuff was implemented, i'd have gone with PDF viewer..
01:14:03preglowhahaha
01:14:05preglowpdf viewer on rockbox
01:14:20preglowsomeone's sure shooting for the big pie in the sky
01:14:24midkayutterly implausible? :)
01:14:47*midkay is not familiar with what's involved in such a thing
01:14:52preglowhell no, printers with coldfire processors in them can interpret postscript, so so can we
01:14:55midkayrarely view, never ever create PDFs..
01:14:55preglowit's just that it's a bunch of work
01:15:03*preglow loves pdfs
01:15:07midkaycould always be ported..
01:15:37midkaynot sure if there's any simple C opensource pdfviewer app..
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01:21:42romanosgenre.. r u here?
01:22:53romanosare u gettin my pm's genre?
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01:23:18user01are there emulators avilable? that would be cool
01:23:53user01play e.t. on an atari 2600 wemulator
01:25:58user01i thought older generations of ipods werent good for ogg?
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01:29:16user01iaudio isnt fully supported yet?
01:29:17nayrhello?
01:29:31nayrI have an ipod install issue...
01:30:38***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:30:59nayrmy ipod is mounted as /dev/disk2s2 on /Volumes/IPOD (local, nodev, nosuid)
01:31:09nayrinstead of disk2s3
01:31:11preglowmidkay: there's whatever evince uses
01:31:54midkaypreglow, evince?
01:31:59midkay*oogles*
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01:34:56midkayhm..
01:35:03midkayyeah, anyways, a port seems feasible :)
01:35:09midkaythat'd be quite cool..
01:35:47linuxstbnayr: /dev/disk2s2 is correct.
01:37:57user01hmm not sure
01:38:19user01xvid playback works on ipod video?
01:38:30linuxstbNot in Rockbox.
01:38:36midkaynot at all..
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01:38:59linuxstbWhat does the Apple firmware play? Isn't that xvid?
01:39:23*linuxstb has no idea what the difference is between mpeg-4, xvid, divx, etc etc.
01:40:04midkayH.264 and MPEG-4 in .mov/.mp4 format..
01:40:16XavierGrI think Xvid is a fork of DivX when divx commersialised
01:40:18midkayand m4a iirc..
01:40:47Genre9mp3XavierGr: Correct! :)
01:41:02XavierGryou told me so :)
01:41:08Genre9mp3:-P
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01:41:33XavierGr:(
01:41:43romanosgiati eisai lypimenos?
01:41:47romanoshahahaha
01:41:55romanosgreek only please!
01:41:57romanos:P
01:42:02XavierGrI am hungry
01:42:25preglowi wonder why the hell no projects that start using doxygene actually cares to continue using doxygene
01:50:30user01would there be any way to add nef format to view images?
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01:51:13preglownef?
01:53:34user01http://pages.quicksilver.net.nz/pepe/d70/Nikon_D70_on_Linux.html
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01:59:17linuxstbuser01: I can't imagine that any image format would be a problem in Rockbox - it just needs someone with an interest to implement it.
02:00
02:00:48linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I read in the forums that you also made the mistake of trying to delete the HVSC from inside Rockbox :)
02:02:32preglowahahahahahha
02:03:01preglowi did that in good old unbuffered msdos too, once
02:03:06linuxstbAfter 90 minutes of trying, my ipod's battery ran out...
02:03:09Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yes. That made me weep.
02:03:09preglowhad to reset the box, ended up with a corrupt file system
02:03:55user01linuxstb: im intersted i dont know how to do it though :)
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02:06:43user01so do you keep the manufacturers firmware when u install rockbox?
02:06:50sharpeyes
02:06:57Paul_The_NerdExcept on X5
02:07:01Paul_The_NerdBut that's a temporary situation
02:07:48user01Paul_The_Nerd: ok, x5 i was thinking bout getting since native firmware supports ogg
02:08:08Paul_The_Nerduser01: Well, if you're using Rockbox you shouldn't be caring much about what the native firmware supports anyway.
02:08:20user01Paul_The_Nerd: true
02:08:21Paul_The_Nerduser01: But they're working on a dual boot method, it's just not done yet.
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02:08:41user01dual boot exists for ipod then
02:08:52user01?
02:09:13linuxstbYes, and triple-boot if you want ipodlinux as well.
02:10:29user01after installing on all those systems does ipod have the best hardware then?
02:10:58Paul_The_NerdIt'd really *really* be hard to name a "Best" among our potential targets at the moment. You'd have to specify a "Best for doing X"
02:11:17user01Paul_The_Nerd: best audio qulaity output
02:11:47user01and compatibility with rockbox
02:12:16Paul_The_NerdWell, I don't know which has the best quality audio when playing PCM, honestly.
02:12:17linuxstbThe older the Rockbox port, the better the compatibility. So Archos devices are best, then iriver, then ipods/iaudio.
02:13:42user01i was always curious for like flac support...which is why i usually just use ogg
02:13:53user01at q8
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02:14:42*linuxstb is still looking for a 120GB FLAC capable DAP...
02:14:53Paul_The_Nerd Yesssssss
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02:15:53sharpewooo...
02:16:12user01i think it would be cool a portable device that could exchange sound cards...like those pcmia audigy2 cards
02:16:24Paul_The_NerdBah
02:16:40sharpeyou mean...
02:16:41Paul_The_NerdI don't think that'd really benefit a portable in the way you think it would.
02:16:43sharpea laptop?
02:16:59sharpewell
02:17:05sharpeonly the pcmcia, but still.
02:17:21linuxstbsharpe: How's the Rockbox C64 emulator coming along?
02:17:36sharpehaven't worked on it in a little while
02:17:52user01is there a nes emulator?
02:18:00Paul_The_NerdRoC64?
02:18:06sharpec64box
02:18:12Paul_The_NerdBah, you're no fun.
02:18:15sharpe;)
02:18:23linuxstbuser01: Not in Rockbox.
02:18:59user01linuxstb: ipodlinux?
02:19:39linuxstbI read in their forums that someone's compiled one for ipodlinux - but it's running extremely slowly.
02:20:19user01hmmm
02:21:05Paul_The_NerdMaaan.
02:21:17user01i was thinking about the nokia tablet actually instead of a mp3 player, but i heard the battery life isnt great
02:21:39linuxstbThe 770?
02:22:03Paul_The_NerdSomeone apparently suggested that they try for a stable "Experimental" build, in which it's 3.0, with the patches, and the only time the build is changed is if there's a new patch or an improvement to an existing one, instead of updating it along with CVS. Is it me, or does that sound like "Let's only included the less-tested code when and where we can."
02:22:29user01linuxstb: yep
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02:23:30user01linuxstb: they need to have an ethernet port on the next version
02:24:06linuxstbuser01: I've looked at one briefly (a colleague bought one). They seem the perfect size for web browsing and email, but if you want to listen to music, I'm sure a dedicated DAP would be better.
02:24:07afruff23what needs an ethernet port?
02:24:21sharpea computer?
02:24:27afruff23lol
02:24:34Presenceeverything!
02:24:42Paul_The_NerdEthernet, pshaw. 802.11n or something similar.
02:24:44afruff23a DAP doesn't need one
02:25:25afruff23a USB server or always online computer can achieve the same effect as a DAP with ethernet
02:25:35afruff23always online=always on
02:26:09afruff23what happened to rockbox 3.0
02:26:14Presence"usb server"? like the buffalo linkstation? shit, i never thought of that.
02:26:27Presencethat i gonnatry tonight.
02:26:33afruff23a router with a usb port built-in or a separate USB server
02:26:45Presenceyeah.
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02:26:59linuxstbafruff23: The 3.0 release schedule has been restructured....
02:27:14afruff23is there an ETA yet?
02:27:34Presencedukenukem forever, on rockbox.
02:27:41linuxstbI think the 15th May, with a possiblity of a further delay to 29th May. But 29th May is final.
02:28:29user01atanks and koules too :)
02:29:21afruff23IF I have an image, then can i display text on the same line?
02:29:33afruff23it doesn't scroll
02:29:42afruff23for the WPS
02:30:32linuxstbI believe so.
02:30:32afruff23i.e. %xda %it
02:31:10user01is there a recording feature in rockbox for like the video ipod?
02:31:43afruff23not yet I believe but it's definitely planned
02:31:58afruff23the video ipod currently has no mic accessory though
02:32:05afruff23you would need line-in
02:32:26user01any speaker can be used as a microphone
02:32:52afruff23lol, who told you that?
02:33:00afruff23I think you mean line-in
02:33:02user01i figured it out when i was 8 :)
02:33:10user01or 7 or something
02:33:32afruff23speakers can't be used as microphones
02:33:42user01yes they can :p
02:33:55afruff23can any third party please comment
02:34:29afruff23So, I can use my TV speaker to record if it has the software?
02:34:32Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: If you shout into a speaker plugged into a line-in or mic-port, it will pick up audio. Pretty crappy in most cases, but it'll work.
02:35:17afruff23pretty crappy as in mostly static or pretty crappy like a built-in mic?
02:35:41Paul_The_NerdI honestly don't remember.
02:36:09afruff23does the iPod even have a line-in
02:36:10user01it worked ok on my boombox
02:36:10Paul_The_NerdI discovered it when I was like 11 or 12 years old, and that was about the last time I've done it too. But other people talk about it here 'n there.
02:36:19afruff23without an accessory
02:36:29Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Some iPods' headphone jack doubles as a line in.
02:37:00linuxstbMost of the ipods have a line-in in the dock connector.
02:37:02afruff23because a lot of accessories communicate with the iPod in a proprietary fashion
02:37:11linuxstb(plus the headphone socket thing...)
02:37:14afruff23and that's going to have to be reverse-engineered I believe
02:37:26linuxstbYou don't need an accessory.
02:37:33user01does rockbox support the dock?
02:37:34afruff23ok
02:37:34Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: Well the line in and line outs on the dock connector don't require any accessory protocol stuff
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02:39:55afruff23bmp is lossless right?
02:40:15zebmp is typically uncompressed
02:40:19zeafaik
02:40:45dwihnothere is some rle variant, I think
02:40:50afruff23I didn't say compressed
02:40:50zeyeah
02:40:54afruff23I said lossless
02:41:15zewell when does lossyness come into play except in compression?
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02:41:38zelossy and uncompressed would just be horrible and pointless
02:41:39ze:p
02:41:56afruff23there is lossless compression
02:42:12zeright
02:42:24Paul_The_NerdBut saying "It's uncompressed" is a means of answering the lossless question.
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02:42:29zeand if its uncompressed, it's "lossless" by default
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02:43:14afruff23but he said it's typically uncompressed
02:43:20afruff23implying it might be compressed
02:43:55zein a sense, though its not quite accurate, since questions of lossynes or losslessnes pertain to compression... with an absense of compression, there's nothing there to be lossless or not
02:44:15zewell if you know its not compressed, then why even bother asking if its lossless?
02:44:18zeheh
02:44:26afruff23I didn't know that
02:44:34zeheh
02:44:50zeanyway, i think rle is lossless compression anyway (not entirely certain, but pretty sure)
02:45:20zeso either way, its either lossless, or its not but not lossy still
02:45:23ze:p
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02:47:05afruff23does the UIsimulator by default support 24-bit WPSes?
02:47:14afruff23for color targets that is
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02:48:07Paul_The_NerdYes
02:48:13afruff23thanks
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02:52:01dwihnoafruff23: sorry, too tired to answer questions :)
02:54:59afruff23I can put all image dispalys on one lien and it won't affect my WPS correct?
02:55:37Paul_The_NerdI don't think it should
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02:55:54afruff23that should save a few bytes
02:56:05JdGordonhey all
02:57:36JdGordonis any1 that knows about compileing the cross compiler around?
02:58:58user01would the APPLE IPOD COLOR 60GB 4th gen model be supported?
02:59:04JdGordonop.. dw.. found my answer :p
02:59:10JdGordonyes it is
02:59:19user01i see the 4th generation band w
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03:00:07user01249 for a like new version
03:00:26Paul_The_Nerduser01: We support everything from the 4G grayscale up, and then the Mini 1st and 2nd G.
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03:02:41afruff23Can anybody recomend any 10 pixel high fonts?
03:02:49afruff23Is that small?
03:02:53user01can you use the ipod like a flash disk then under rockbox?
03:03:23Paul_The_Nerduser01: Well, you could use it like one normally. Under Rockbox, you can transfer music to it just by dropping it on like a disk
03:03:48afruff23user01, only if you have a Nano
03:03:50Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: I'd say that depends on the screen
03:03:50afruff23:)
03:04:30afruff23short answer: yes it shows up as a disk drive
03:04:46afruff23paul, on the X%
03:04:51user01can you format it to like xfs file system?
03:04:52afruff23that has soem big pixels
03:05:00afruff23no
03:05:17afruff23just fat32
03:05:27Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: I find 10 to be too tall for my tastes on the iRiver H120, which is the same number of pixels as the X5
03:06:25afruff23so it's big?
03:06:34afruff23what's normal size?
03:07:05afruff238 px high?
03:08:12Paul_The_NerdIt all depends on what you prefer.
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03:08:18Paul_The_NerdI mean, 10 is probably "Normal" for you'
03:08:28Paul_The_NerdI use the rockbox_default font, which is I think 8?
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03:12:52user01is there a chart that shows all the features f rockbox?
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03:13:28afruff23http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison
03:13:46afruff23that's an incomplete chart by the way
03:13:52afruff23far from complete
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03:16:27stevenmHello. Weird bug in the MIDI codec. I will look into it in a bit, maybe you guys have some insights.
03:17:01stevenmYou play a file six times. It will work. Seventh time, you hear pops but no music. Eigth time, it locks up during loading, hard lockup, not even backlight turns off
03:17:29stevenmIt is the same, with files that are small and large, those that need a little bit of instruments and those who that need a whole bunch of instruments to be loaded
03:17:53stevenmTested five times. Always the same result, always plays six times, seventh is silence / pops, eigth is hard lock.
03:18:17stevenmIf you power off and then back on after 6 attempts, the cycle resets - you get 6 more plays before silence is heard.
03:18:27Paul_The_NerdSo, memory leak of some sort?
03:18:35stevenmI have no idea
03:18:42user01there are no games for rockbox on ipod?
03:18:55Paul_The_Nerduser01: What gave you that idea?
03:19:09stevenmI have to do compsci with someone right now, but I thought I'd throw that out there for you guys if anyone has insight as to WHY this is happening. First I will comment out DSP code and try again.. but any ideas guys?
03:19:13user01the apple chart you gave me
03:19:19scorche<afruff23> that's an incomplete chart by the way
03:19:20scorche<afruff23> far from complete
03:19:50Paul_The_Nerduser01: What in that table says there *aren't* games for Apple?
03:20:15afruff23I just wanted to emphasize that it's far from complete
03:20:21user01they are listed next to archos and iriver and then down below there istn teh game row for it
03:20:29stevenmany ideas on that bug? pm or contact in irc.. i will be back in a while
03:20:43user01afruff23: though i guess the list is far from complete
03:20:45Paul_The_Nerduser01: You may notice they aren't listed in the iRiver specific section either. Just in the general section
03:21:11user01well i didnt know if that meant they werent available for those 2 brands
03:21:28Paul_The_NerdBut there's an iRiver column in the first table where "games" are listed. :-P
03:21:50Paul_The_NerdPlus, our PluginIndex tells which games and plugins work on which targets. You should really just wander our site for a while
03:22:41user01yes i thought the table Generic was one set of features for just those players
03:23:41Paul_The_Nerd"Generic" tends to mean "Not player specific."
03:23:48Davide-NYCpreglow in the house?
03:28:44afruff23this will display nothing if the title for the next song is not available yet, correct?
03:28:44afruff23%It
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03:32:51afruff23the $al tag is basically useless
03:32:58afruff23sicne everythign is aligned left by default
03:33:05afruff23am I correct?
03:33:09user01you can replace the battery in 5g models?
03:33:21user01can=cant?
03:33:51scorchecan, but they can be a PITA to open
03:33:53BHSPitMonkeywhy not
03:33:56afruff23You can relace th ebattery for any device
03:34:02afruff23the*
03:34:05afruff23replace*
03:34:08BHSPitMonkeyshouldn't be much different from the other similar models
03:34:13BHSPitMonkeyjust need a kit
03:34:31user01oh the wikipedia said the newer models have i soldered to the board
03:35:13user01However exchanging the battery in the fifth-generation iPod may not be possible as some reviewers including arstechnica.com noted that the battery in iPod nano is soldered to the mainboard
03:35:31BHSPitMonkey... that's a nano, fruitcake.
03:35:56user01-generation iPod it is more difficult to remove because it is "actually affixed to the metal backplate and sits above its own power management circuitry and right next to the headphone port and its driver circuitry
03:38:16BHSPitMonkey"affixed to backplate" doesn't equal "soldered to PCB"
03:38:22user01nope
03:38:33JdGordontick tock.. some1 entertain meee
03:38:42*scorche unzips
03:39:15user01is ipod color the same as ipod photo?
03:39:54BHSPitMonkeyfor the most part.
03:40:33Paul_The_NerdThey're the same.
03:41:28BHSPitMonkeybesides various differences in the LCD...
03:41:35BHSPitMonkeys/various/minor/
03:43:35Paul_The_NerdWell, how 'bout "As a user of Rockbox, they're the same to you."
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03:55:14user01is Archos AV500 Mobile DVR is supported?
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03:57:16JdGordonarm gcc is taking too long to compile....
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03:59:59maeckJdGordon: Why?
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04:03:02sharpegarrrr!
04:03:46maecksharpe: Did your parrot lang on your right shoulder?
04:03:50maecklang == land
04:03:56sharpeno...
04:04:14sharpenor am i doing anything with piracy.
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04:04:50maeckhow is the c84 coming?
04:04:57JdGordonmaeck: noit really.. i was just being impatient...
04:04:57maeckc64 ofcourse
04:05:08sharpeeh... about the same as it was when i stopped working on it for a bit
04:05:20maeckoh
04:05:25sharpeyeah...
04:05:43JdGordonany linux ppl around? i just added a user with useradd but that users .bashrc isnt being run when they login..?
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04:06:12nave7693JdGordon: it might be .bash_profile.
04:06:18sharpeyou should run... usersetbashrc!
04:06:51maecksharpe: I did hack the graphical menu in. However, keys are behaving oddly (my fault) and need to do some serious cleanup in the menu.c
04:07:04sharpethat sounds like so much fun :)
04:07:15maeckand am trying to get it working on the greyscale targets
04:07:37maeckactually, is there such thing? Is Rockbox 1 or 16 bit and nothing in between?
04:07:47maeckfrom a colour perspective that is
04:08:11sharpei'm not too sure
04:09:09maeckI thougt I had seen 4 bit bitmaps in the plugins folder. However, lcd16bit does only colour or black/white
04:09:25Paul_The_Nerdmaeck: The primary UI is one or 16 I *think*. The WPS is 1, 2, or 16. Some plugins have the grayscale lib, which is umm... something-bit.
04:09:47JdGordon2bit isnt it?
04:09:56sharpe<a number between zero and infinity>-bit
04:10:34maeckhow many bits should I set to 1 to get infinity?
04:11:01sharpei'd go with...
04:11:04Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: No, the grayscale lib gives you thirty-something (39?) shades of Gray if I recall
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04:12:12sharpeabout... 2^inf bits...
04:12:17maeckWhich target has 5 bits of gray?
04:12:30Paul_The_Nerdmaeck: Any colour bitmap (which should be 8 or 24) will be scaled to whatever the screen natively supports when used in plugins, I believe. Any one-bit that's saved in the mono folder gets treated as a proper mono bitmap and uses FG colour.
04:13:08Paul_The_NerdBy 'natively' I mean, 2 or 16 bit, so far.
04:13:24sharpelets get a 24 bit DAP
04:13:46maeckWHat I am trying to understand is the number of lcd*.c files I have to modify to hack a scalable bitmap in.
04:13:56maeck24bits is so 2005
04:14:19afruff23Enlighten me what is now?
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04:14:38afruff23is there even higher bit bitmaps?
04:14:56chazman24hey
04:15:20maeckonly professional graphics solutions work with something like 64 bits internal (like Maya, Photoshop and even obscurer tools)
04:15:25chazman24i love rockbox
04:15:30maeckwe too
04:15:59chazman24iPod+Rockbox
04:16:01afruff23so why would you need 64 bit bitmaps if nothing can use it?
04:16:04chazman24=love
04:16:18maeckwe do not have to. Why, it was just a loose comment
04:16:42maeckactually, most of the colour DAPs are only 16bit.
04:16:55afruff23IAudio X5L + Rockbox+ dual-boot(still waiting)= DAP nirvana
04:16:56chazman24except 5g iPod
04:17:05maeckwhy, that is still 16bit
04:17:06chazman24lol maeck
04:17:08sharpei've got it!!
04:17:12sharpe3 bit color.
04:17:24afruff23aren't all colour targets 24 bit?
04:17:28chazman24yay!
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04:17:39afruff23excuse me
04:17:41afruff23color*
04:17:47maeck64000 colours or something = 16bits
04:17:50afruff23turning british
04:17:57afruff23the X5 has 262K
04:17:59maeck65384 colours
04:18:20afruff23so how many bits is that?
04:18:29maeck18
04:18:44sharpeeh
04:19:00afruff23So then there are no 24 bit targets?
04:19:02sharpei think i'm going to go to sleep... see if i won't be so incoherent tomorrow...
04:19:06afruff23iPod has same number I believe
04:19:20sharpeg'night every people
04:19:28maeckcould be. Rockbox converts the images to 16 bits.
04:19:31maeckbye sharpe
04:19:37Paul_The_Nerd65536 actually
04:20:05Paul_The_NerdRockbox converts down to 16-bit on the 18-bit targets.
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04:21:20afruff23so then what's the use for 24 bit WPSes?
04:21:43Paul_The_NerdBecause we don't support 16-bit BMP files?
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04:23:18rotatorafruff23: try to find software that can create 16bit BMPs, it's not easy ;)
04:23:49Paul_The_Nerd24-bit is just easier to work with too. 8bits per colour.
04:24:06rotatorthat too
04:24:57afruff23irfanview works with 24 bpp
04:25:25Paul_The_Nerd24bpp is common, as we said.
04:25:34afruff23is 16 bpp not supported because it's an "odd number"
04:25:36afruff23so to speak
04:26:02maeckokay, so far I have found lcd bitmap draw functions for 1, 2 and 16 bit images. None that do 4 or 5 bits. Any targets that do more that white, light grey, dark grey and black (except for colour targets)?
04:26:28Paul_The_Nerdmaeck: As I said, only using the grayscale library.
04:26:40maecksometimes 16 bit is scaled to 15 bit + alpha bit (5 bits for RGB)
04:27:20Paul_The_Nerdafruff23: It's less that, than why even bother to support 16bpp? 24bpp means that future targes with better colour depth (if we ever support it) can use WPSes made now without a problem, leaving 16-bit out saves a wee bit of code, and then 8 and 1 cover paletted bitmaps and mono-bitmaps.
04:27:37maeckPaul_The_Nerd: and and by greyscale library you mean?
04:28:00Paul_The_Nerdmaeck: The grayscale library... it's used in a few plugins to allow greater than 2bpp on 2-bit LCDs.
04:28:27maeckso that is not in firmware/drivers
04:28:29jncmaeck: the most data intensive formats for raw cinematic video footage only use 48-bits
04:28:35Paul_The_Nerdmaeck: No, it's not used in the core.
04:28:36jncthat's the super wasteful highend stuff
04:28:51jnc32-bits and 16-bits for alpha IIRC
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04:29:50maeckjnc: it is only useful if you do a lot of math on the colours. So you do not loose subtile colour differences. That is right. That is why 3d rendering uses 24 bit internally, and shows the final in 24 bit
04:30:45jncokay. yes i heard of this "wasteful" format to be used when changing lighting conditions of a movie scene after it was shot, without altering the actual colour values
04:31:22jncwild stuff. that would be nice to see on consumer digital cameras
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04:32:18maeckjnc: isnt it so that even decent image chips in digital cameras cannot capture true 8R 8G 8B?
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04:33:33maeckPaul_The_Nerd: Seems like the greyscale lib will not serve my purpose. 16 bit colour or 2 bit grey scale or 1 bit it will be.
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04:49:53jncmaeck: yeah
04:50:03jncmaeck: they don't capture a single pixel
04:50:22jncit's an interpolation of red, green, green, green, and blue
04:50:51jnccompare that to say, a favvon x3 sensor, which captures varying depths of light through a substrate
04:51:07jncit registers light to a single point on the sensor plane accurately
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05:05:43maeckjnc: and do you know why there is more green than red or blue?
05:06:06jncsomething to do with the way humans view colours
05:06:14jncit's related to the receptors in eyeballs
05:06:15maeckjnc: yeah, because we can see more colour difference in the green-blue-ish spectrum
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05:06:38maeckgood stuff
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05:21:39afruff23is there any easy way to debug WPS code?
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05:35:14afruff23can somebody please debug 5 lines of WPS code please?
05:35:23afruff23where can I post it?
05:38:05afruff23where can I host a small zip file?
05:38:14afruff23it's less than 5 KB
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05:54:48dranyamC:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\rockbox>ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 boo
05:54:48dranyamtpartition.bin
05:54:48dranyam'ipod_fw' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
05:54:48DBUGEnqueued KICK dranyam
05:54:48dranyamoperable program or batch file.
05:54:52dranyam:/
05:54:59dranyamany idea what ive done wrong there
05:55:08dranyami was going fine up until that step
05:55:19dranyamon a monochrome 4g ipod
05:56:34midkayforgetting a .exe?
05:57:06midkayor you don't have ipod_fw in that dir..
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06:00:21dranyamim just going straight from the wiki
06:00:22dranyam:/
06:00:44midkaytry a .exe.
06:01:19dranyamipod_fw.exe
06:01:20dranyam?
06:01:27midkayyes.
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06:16:38KimHyunChol.
06:16:54KimHyunCholhi..?
06:17:04midkayhi...
06:17:50KimHyunChol!
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06:18:48KimHCso silently...
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06:20:24midkaymany people are asleep..
06:20:42KimHCuh..
06:20:54dranyamso if i explore my ipod
06:20:59dranyamthats not the root dir
06:20:59dranyam?
06:21:02KimHCmidkay, where you from..?
06:21:05dranyamit will take me to in windows
06:21:06midkaysure it is.
06:21:12dranyamsoo
06:21:18dranyamwhen i installed rockbock
06:21:25dranyamit would go in with contacts
06:21:27dranyamand calendar
06:21:28dranyam?
06:21:30midkayKimHC, i'm in seattle, WA, USA. many devs are far away..
06:21:43midkaydranyam, contacts and calendar? what?
06:22:02KimHCoh..:)
06:24:10dranyambetter question
06:24:22dranyamhow do i set up itunes to view my ipod as a disk
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06:24:33midkayitunes doesn't view your ipod as a disk.
06:24:38midkayeverything else does. windows..
06:24:45dranyamTo install (or upgrade) Rockbox you need to attach your iPod to your PC via USB, ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk, and then unzip rockbox.zip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod.
06:25:02dranyamjust followin the wiki
06:25:51midkayah, that. do you see your iPod in 'my computer'?
06:25:58dranyamyes
06:26:03midkaythen you're fine
06:26:07dranyambutis that the actual root dir
06:26:08dranyam?
06:26:17dranyamcause i dont see my music
06:26:22dranyamthat is already on the ipod
06:27:26KimHCdo i can make firmware of iriver D20?
06:27:43midkaydranyam, you shouldn't be able to.
06:27:48midkayit's hidden away..
06:27:56dranyamok
06:27:57dranyamsooo
06:28:00dranyamthen
06:28:05dranyamdo i just throw these two files in there
06:28:08dranyam?
06:28:09dranyamand shaboom
06:28:10dranyamshe works
06:28:14midkaya folder and a file. yes.
06:28:24dranyamor do they have to be in one of those hidden folders
06:28:29dranyam?
06:28:45midkayright in the root as the instructions say.
06:29:02dranyamok
06:29:05dranyamgotcha
06:29:10dranyamjust didnt wanna fuq it up
06:29:15midkayKimHC, can *you*? depends on your level of skill with hardware, disassembly, low-level coding and such :)
06:29:17midkay:)
06:29:39dranyamnow to figure out how to navigate to the music
06:30:29midkayyou want to use TagCache for that..
06:30:53midkayrockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache
06:31:49KimHCsorry but i can't english ..^^;;
06:32:01dranyamso i gotta install something else just to play music
06:32:02dranyam:/
06:32:50KimHCcould you say again more easy?
06:33:13midkayKimHC, you need a lot of programming and hardware skills
06:33:24midkaydranyam, sigh, no, read the page please.
06:33:49KimHChm..
06:35:01KimHCi have little hardware skill
06:35:10KimHCbut programming...
06:35:14KimHCT^T
06:35:30midkayyes? no? :)
06:35:39KimHCno T^T
06:35:58midkayyou're just going to have to wait until somebody else does it, then :)
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06:35:59*BHSPitLappy tries to figure out meaning in that last little coloquialism
06:36:00KimHCis it hard? to learn?
06:36:24KimHCoh.. yes.....
06:36:37midkayKimHC, yes, it's quite hard, i'd imagine.
06:37:02KimHCThanks midkay :)
06:37:09midkayno problem
06:37:13KimHCa
06:37:22KimHCdo you know d20?
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06:38:33midkayno
06:39:10KimHCuh;;
06:40:06KimHCD20 is dictionary player, manufactured by iriver
06:40:34midkaylooks very cool
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06:42:11KimHCD20 of efficiency is gooooooooooood!! but firmware is too bad
06:42:44gDIhello
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06:43:04KimHCso consumers has many disaffection.
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06:45:19gDIhello
06:45:34KimHChi
06:46:10gDIim having trouble installing rockbox on my 5g ipod and am looking for some help...
06:46:23gDIbasically, i dont know how to...
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06:46:43*midkay waits for it
06:47:03gDIanyone know how?
06:47:17midkaygo to the wiki, then IpodPort, then IpodInstallation.
06:47:57gDIthanks
06:49:14KimHC:) midkay is good men
06:49:24KimHCi have to go now
06:49:25midkay:)
06:49:29midkaysee you
06:49:34KimHChave a nice day~
06:49:50midkayyou too :)
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06:56:32stevenmgot my bug tracked down a bit.. its somewhere in the init code
06:56:52stevenmguys- question- if a plugin opens files but does not close them, what will happen?
06:59:56stevenmdoes someone clean up after, or no?
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07:07:04blindSo, to anyone who remembers my prior problem, I've charged my iPod for well over 8 hours, and it still won't turn on.
07:07:35jncis it crashed?
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07:07:45jnchold down menu and play button for more than 4 seconds
07:07:48jncdon't press too hard
07:07:49blindgives me the infamous sad ipod icon.
07:07:57goffaclean the connectors?
07:07:58blindit won't boot into disc mode.
07:08:02stevenmoop never mind. fixed the midi bug. file descriptor leak in loader. will commit in a little bit. does anyone mind?
07:08:08jncit's possible your iPod is tosted.
07:08:09blindno, it's been charging, it's just not working.
07:08:21jncs/tost/toast/
07:08:22jnc:(
07:08:25blindthanks, captain obvious.
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07:10:33midkayblind, won't turn on as in blank LCD or what?
07:10:50blind<blind> gives me the infamous sad ipod icon.
07:11:13midkaywhenever you attempt to turn it on?
07:11:20blindcorrect.
07:11:28midkayweird..
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07:15:51scorchemidkay: =]
07:16:13midkayscorche? :)
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07:27:37blindi love barcardip.
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07:40:36dranyamwhere do you guys put your music
07:40:37dranyam?
07:41:05B4gderon the hard drive!
07:41:09dranyamwell duh
07:41:10dranyambut like
07:41:15dranyamhow is it organized
07:41:22Mikachu/Music/artist/album/file.ogg
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07:41:29dranyaminside of anything
07:41:29B4gderI use genre/artist/album/song
07:41:31guruzhello
07:41:40dranyamor i can just make a folder called music
07:41:47dranyamout in the middle of root
07:42:01Mikachuit's most convenient to have it there
07:42:34dranyamnm
07:42:47dranyami just answered that question myself
07:42:53dranyamthanks for all your help tonight guys
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07:46:41hardeepHmmmm, I don't think Bug #5072 (Bookmarking does not work in connection with Tag Cache Database). You can't create bookmarks for dynamic playlists which is what the tag cache needs to use
07:46:57hardeeper, that should be: Bug #5072 shouldn't be a 3.0 blocker
07:47:56amiconnmorning :)
07:48:09hardeepgood morning
07:49:25B4gderI agree hardeep
07:49:54amiconnB4gder: hanging build...
07:50:47B4gderthanks
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07:51:50amiconnhardeep: Why can't this work?
07:52:23hardeepamiconn: we would need to include the .playlist_control file in the bookmark
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07:52:41amiconnBookmarking works for dynamic playlists created from a directory. What's the difference between dynamic playlists created in directory view and dynamic playlists created from tagcache?
07:53:07Nerysdoes rockbox allow direct usb mass storage support and drag and drop mp3 transfer with no software required ?
07:53:09hardeepfor dirplay we just need to remember the directory and index
07:53:41amiconnah
07:54:07B4gderNerys: its not really rockbox that allows it, but yes
07:54:19amiconnHmm, still would be nice to have bookmarking for dynamic playlists. It would pro
07:54:28Nerysthanks B4gder can you clarify ?
07:54:28amiconnbably require a new bookmark format.
07:54:30hardeepyeah, it's something i've been meaning to add
07:54:34stevenmwhats the deal with the buildserver? is it just real slow, or did i break that too ?
07:54:39amiconn(but I agree that it's not a 3.0 blocker)
07:54:59B4gderNerys: I mean, its a UMS device and you can use it as you want. but rockbox supports playing music you transfer to it using the UMS
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07:55:47B4gderstevenm: just a case of "hanging build" - a flaw in the build system that occurs from time to time
07:55:57B4gderand then I need to kill it
07:56:17stevenmB4gder, ah ok.
07:56:32stevenmB4gder, i thought i made it red or something
07:56:52NerysUMS ? google shows me something about USB <ass Stprage as an external hard drive. here is my issue. I dont like DRM :-) I imagine I am not unique in this forum on that issue. I dont want to have to install special drivers and software. I want to connect the USB cable get a driver letter and just dump my mp3 folders into the unit. will this allow that ? no playlists etc.. just open a folder...
07:56:53Nerys...and say "go"
07:58:04B4gderUMS == USB mass storage
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08:01:26amiconnlovely...
08:02:12stevenmwell good morning campers
08:04:27midkayhaha.
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08:06:14stevenmoh, anyone know why in iriver h300 the volume displayed up top is negative ?
08:07:12B4gderstevenm: welcome to the db scale discussion
08:07:19B4gderdB even
08:07:33stevenmB4gder, oh noes
08:07:47B4gder0 is line level
08:08:07stevenmi been busy with my own bug.. no time :(
08:08:31stevenmwhy not switch to normal scale? it wouldnt confuse people so much? or an option?
08:08:42stevenmnot everyday you see an mp3 player that shows volume in db scale
08:08:56B4gderwe've discussed this to death already
08:09:08B4gderdB has a meaning
08:09:11B4gderno other scale has
08:09:30stevenmdang
08:09:43stevenmmaybe wps needs to put a dB next to it or something. but i digress
08:09:51RedBrevaMorning All... Any iPod 5G users about? I could do with the themes downloaded from http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_320x240x16.html being tested on real hardware. I have tried them on the sim and they *seem* OK..
08:10:05stevenmany chance you could kill that build for me? if i broke something, i really wanna fix it before too many people get mad
08:10:27B4gderstevenm: i already did, but it won't start a new build until next commit
08:10:47stevenmB4gder, ah, alright, thanks. should i commit something trivial then?
08:10:56B4gdersure
08:12:01midkayRedBreva, perfect timing, i just screwed over my 5g :)
08:12:05midkaygot to reinstall many themes..
08:12:20RedBrevahehehe, I am sorry for your loss :D
08:12:36midkaynot too big a deal anyways :)
08:12:38stevenmB4gder, builds away!
08:12:40midkaymostly everything backed up..
08:14:35hardeepi think we should change the default theme for 3.0, at least for the iRiver and iPod devices
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08:15:07RedBrevaAny probs with those themes, let me know... I only have a couple of hours this morning, afterthat I won't be on the PC for a day or two - Hernia Surgery this afternoon :(
08:15:31Galoishardeep: my only "request" would be to make sure the default theme supports all fonts that rockbox ships
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08:15:42midkayRedBreva, :(
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08:16:02RedBrevaor at least change the default font?
08:16:18hardeepGalois: Why restrict to that? You can always select a new theme that changes the font
08:16:32Galoiswhy ship a font if literally no theme shipped supports it?
08:16:46Galoisright now many of the fonts in rockbox literally only work with the default theme
08:18:11hardeepthe current default theme will still be available for people who want to use those fonts
08:18:39Galoisthat's a halfway solution...
08:18:59hardeepand the default theme is still good on the archos players
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08:19:05midkaybtw, was it B4gder who suggested Boxes as the default?
08:19:27B4gderno
08:19:38B4gderfor color devices I'd suggest a more colorful default
08:19:47Galoisboxes is one of the least compatible, font-wise
08:19:50midkayhm, i wonder who it was..
08:19:55midkayGalois, true..
08:19:59B4gdermidkay: why does it matter?
08:20:26midkayB4gder, because i thought it was a rather good suggestion. someone here suggested it.. that kind of motivated me to make a 320x240 version.
08:21:19stevenmB4gder, yay, all green
08:22:08Galoismost of the CustomWPSs use a 13 pixel font of some sort. This would be the font size to choose if you must have a graphical default wps with fixed font sizes.
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08:24:19B4gderI don't think the default needs to be very fancy, just a little less ugly than today
08:26:30midkayRedBreva, downloaded about half the themes, tried about half the ones i downloaded, working fine..
08:26:52RedBrevaCool... Thanks for that..
08:27:43RedBrevaDo you use any of the Album-Art patches/WPS ?
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08:27:59amiconnSlasheri ?
08:28:16midkayRedBreva, no, i don't
08:28:34RedBrevaOk, I will have to patch the sim to try them then :D
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08:29:02midkayor just not include them? :) since it's unofficial it seems rather useless to include them there..
08:29:35B4gderlots of people use them
08:29:36RedBrevaWell you could put that argument against the 5G WPS's in total...!
08:29:48RedBrevaand all the other iPods
08:29:57midkayis this for 3.0 or what?
08:30:40midkaythey're fine to keep if it's not, but if this is like a 3.0 "wps list", the albumart ones are *not* compatible and i don't think they should be on that list.. maybe in another "custom build" category or something..
08:31:09Galoisthe rockbox wiki also has albumart ones intermingled with the rest
08:31:12B4gderI consider it "The Rockbox Themes Site"
08:31:18B4gdernot connected to any release at all
08:31:22RedBrevaMainly, it's just a tidier, and more controlled method of presenting WPS's than the wiki... many of those are broken
08:32:08midkayGalois, well, that should be changed or specified..
08:32:31midkayanyways, /me withdraws his opinion. :)
08:32:41B4gderin some camps the album-art patch is widely used
08:33:05midkaycamps?
08:33:13B4gderlike in the MR camp
08:33:24midkayB4gder, i fully understand that..
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08:33:36midkayif this is going to be provided with 3.0, however.. that should be changed.
08:33:47B4gderthey're not
08:33:51B4gderthat's just a themes site
08:33:56midkayat least categorized into "works with 3.0" and "requires unoffical patch" or something.
08:33:57B4gderit has nothing to do with 3.0
08:34:06midkayB4gder, alright, so, i withdrew my opinion. :)
08:34:29B4gderfor included themes we of course need stricter requirements
08:34:42*midkay nods
08:35:14midkaybtw, before i forget, did you catch that "source" icon i threw together?
08:35:15RedBrevaare there any docs that specify the requirments for WPS's?
08:36:23B4gderthere are no requirements
08:37:01B4gdersince they're just custom layouts
08:37:04RedBrevaoopps, I meant themes
08:37:27B4gderI don't understand anyway
08:37:33B4gderwhat could a requirement be?
08:37:53RedBreva<B4gder>for included themes we of course need stricter requirements
08:38:15midkay(that last message was directed at B4gder *nudge nudge shove shove shove stab*) ;)
08:38:17B4gderaha you're talking about bundled themes now?
08:38:42B4gderthen of course they need to use only tags we support
08:39:03RedBrevaie non-patched
08:39:08B4gderand I would like us to provide a similar set for all platforms
08:39:12B4gderlike we do with boxes now
08:39:26B4gderlike 3 themes for each target
08:39:43B4gderand then direct people to the themes site for further extravaganza
08:40:15*midkay is leaving in a huff. night. :)
08:40:36RedBrevahehehe, 'extravaganza' not a word to slip into everyday conversation
08:41:07B4gderhaha, it proves your life isn't in the appropriate fast lane! ;-)
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08:47:17amiconncrap.
08:47:45amiconnThere's a bug in debian testing for amd64, and I don't know against which package to report it :(
08:48:04darklessdoes the rockbox CVS use CET as timezone reference?
08:48:41B4gdercvs use gmt
08:48:53darklessok
08:48:58B4gderthe times on the site should be GMT all over
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08:50:01darklessgood, I'm in the process of narrowing down which part of the daily changes from 2006-04-24 that broke seeking on my iriver
08:53:18Slasheriamiconn: morning :)
08:53:42amiconnmorning Slasheri
08:54:05amiconnCould you please update your build server to sh-elf-gcc 4.0.3 patched?
08:54:42amiconnYou can find the required patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
08:54:46Slasheriamiconn: oh, right away
08:56:36Slasheriin fact the build server will not be functional today evening as i have to shutdown one raid array to conserve some power from UPS (there will be a power blackout for about 10 minutes in the evening)
08:57:17B4gdera server being absent should not be a problem to the build system
08:57:31amiconnB4gder: Is it possible that logbot is a bit confused about 'seen' times?
08:58:22B4gdereverything is possible
08:58:27B4gderits just software
08:58:48amiconn./msg logbot- seen Cassandra -> -logbot−− Cassandra (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) signed off 1 day and 14 hours ago ("
08:58:53amiconnThat can't be true...
08:58:58B4gdersure it is
08:59:13B4gdershe stopped by the other day
08:59:29amiconnHmm, the logs show nothing...
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09:00:36B4gderyes they do
09:00:50B4gdermay 1st, 18.24.57
09:01:38amiconnBlargh, firefox search should tell me when the page isn't fully loaded
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09:06:10JdGordon_wooohooo... i got it working :D
09:06:18JdGordon_i mean... hey all
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09:35:09Slasheriamiconn: now the compiler should have been updated
09:38:30darklesslostlogic: ping
09:39:08peturmuch too early for him, try the afternoon
09:39:54darklessok thanks. I located the changes that broke seeking for me
09:40:55amiconnSlasheri: Thanks, in the name of fm/v2 owners...
09:42:33darklessthe build "stamp" you see briefly when booting rockbox... where should I look if I wanted to change it (to something else than the present compile time/date)?
09:44:15B4gdermake VERSION=fooooo
09:44:31B4gderappears in the info screen
09:45:09*amiconn learned something...
09:45:32linuxstbWe need some more developer docs... :)
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09:46:04B4gderwe're like the early human communities before writing existed
09:46:14B4gdersitting around the camp fire telling stories instead
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09:46:27linuxstbThat works for me.
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09:48:08B4gdernow, have I told you have we used to do when I was young?
09:48:14B4gder:-)
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09:48:59JdGordon_B4gder: do u want my server? its running linux 24x7 now..
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09:50:38B4gderbut with a 20KB/s upload cap?
09:51:09JdGordon_well.. ye.. that...
09:51:25JdGordon_change the script to do the uploads after all the compiles are done...
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09:52:32B4gderit is not easily done so it won't happen anytime soon
09:52:58JdGordon_ok, no prob
09:53:03JdGordon_dinner./.. bbs
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10:09:25peturbloody skype used 48MB upload yesterday. I didn't even use it. the bastards
10:10:13B4gderthey do that for calls where both parties are behind firewalls/nats
10:10:27crwlyeah, it's not like they exactly advertize the fact that they use your bandwidth to route others' phonecalls :P
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10:11:19Mikaelhpetur: do you pay for that?
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10:12:29peturobviously... 650MB upload the last 30 days :(
10:12:44Mikaelhannoying
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10:15:42HClpetur: what kind of isp do you have that you need to pay for that ? o-o
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10:17:27peturI don't actually pay for the upload itself, but they're using my bandwidth. It reduces my speed and it could make me go over my upload limit.
10:17:52peturI'm sure it's somewhere in their bloody eula
10:18:27Mikachuthey wouldn't need to put it there
10:19:50peturreal p2p software allows you to set a limit to the bandwidth it uses. this crap doesn't even tell you it's going to use
10:20:06HCloh, right.
10:20:21peturah well... it's gone now. [/rant]
10:20:23HClwell, i know a *lot* of p2p software that doesn't allow you to set a limit
10:20:32HClmostly to force people to upload too
10:21:08HClbut then, i'm probably one of the people who'd be least bothered about things using my bandwidth, so i don't really have a right to say anything o-o
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10:21:36Mikachupetur: http://support.skype.com/?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=125
10:22:41*HCl makes mental note, never send any files over skype, horridly insecure
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10:23:02peturI know. and it says 1.0 kB/s. What a load of crap. It was doing 30-40kBps yesterday
10:23:04Mikachui stopped using skype after the intel/amd thing
10:23:43HClpetur: that's per client
10:23:55HClso you'd have had 30-40 clients *shrugs*
10:24:11peturI had 80 in/out connects from/to skype
10:24:15HCli like skype, but i only use it when i've like
10:24:22HClalready agreed with someone to talk over skype
10:24:36HClnever have it on when not neede
10:24:37HCld
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10:26:37peturMikachu: I posted a user comment on that article yesterday, nowhere to be found. and the helpfullness indicator jumped from 2 to 4 stars. Way to go skype.
10:26:49Mikachuhaha, awesome
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10:34:53dongslol!
10:34:58dongshy guys
10:35:03Mikachukonnichiha
10:35:12dongsrockbox owns!!
10:38:13preglowyes
10:39:33B4gderI'm very curious on that "manufactorer wants rockbox" thread in the forum
10:40:15preglowjust read it
10:40:45qwx:]
10:40:47qwxurl?
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10:40:52B4gderhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978
10:40:54qwmthanks.
10:41:05preglow"telechips"
10:41:11preglowbest first description i ever heard
10:41:29B4gdertelechips do a bunch of different ones afaik
10:41:33dongshm
10:41:37B4gdersome of them ARM based
10:42:20dongshas anyone tried compiling rockbox using ADS or RVCT?
10:42:50preglowi don't even have ads
10:42:55B4gderdongs: you'll find that rockbox is rather gcc centric
10:43:06preglowbut it sure kicks the shit out of gcc
10:43:15dongsyes, but ads/rvct produce 20% smaller/faster arm7 code
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10:46:38linuxstbAre those compilers freely available?
10:46:41preglowno
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10:48:54B4gderiAudio U3 and MobiBLU DHH-200 both use Telechips MCUs
10:50:37B4gderand "Teclast T19"
10:50:48B4gdermy god don't they do many weird players these days
10:51:37B4gderhttp://www.itechnews.net/2006/04/18/dual-core-mp3-player-the-2nd-generation/
10:51:41B4gderthat's the Teclast one
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10:52:27ceacyhi
10:53:13ceacyI've got a problem with my iRiver H340, not specifically rockbox-related, but i didn't know where to ask
10:53:36qwmB4gder: do you know if linus is.. um.. frikyrkligt kristen?
10:53:36qwm:p
10:53:48B4gderthe tcc770 has a "ARM946E-S CPU core (4KB cache, up to 120MHz),"
10:53:58ceacyIt seems that my iriver has some HDD issues ; i formatted it from the irivier original firmware menu, but they remains
10:54:11B4gderqwm: in fact I know Linus is a senior evil overlord
10:54:39qwmhehe.. that's relieving to hear!
10:54:55ceacyi tried a check with fsck.vfat, but without -t, there isn't any error ; with it, there are bad clusters detected, but the test is veeery slow (more than 12 hours)
10:55:23ceacyis there any way to do a low level format on a iriver hdd ?
10:55:34peturB4gder: dual-core player, what a load of marketing crap :)
10:55:43B4gderyes indeed
10:55:58dongsabout how much stuff would need to be built for all the ui/mp3 playback to work? firmware dir and? anything else?
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10:56:11B4gder"we have two circuits on the board, let's call them cores, Oh, dual-core!" ;-)
10:56:30petursince when is a DAC a core?
10:56:53linuxstbpetur: There was a thread on head-fi about that "dual-core" claim...
10:56:53ceacyno clue ?
10:57:09B4gderdongs: pretty much the firmware dir
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10:57:45dongsi saw libmad and other crap in apps, is that related/dependency?
10:57:48linuxstbdongs: If you want mp3 playback, you're going to need the apps/ directory as well - including all the codec libraries.
10:57:52ceacyPlease, any one can help me ?
10:58:01dongsmhmm.
10:58:05ceacy(i'm going to jump !)
10:58:08B4gderceacy: I would mkfs it using linux from the start
10:58:15dongsi wonder how much effort would be to get it building with ads/rvct.
10:58:25Mikachuyou haven't been able to low level format a hd since the nineties
10:58:30dongs(for ipod nano target)
10:58:32ceacyN4dger > refomating it won't cause the firmware to be deleted ?
10:58:34linuxstbdongs: Of course - if you want mp3, you need libmad.
10:58:45ceacy-N+B
10:58:47ceacy(sorry)
10:59:02linuxstbdongs: As B4gder said, Rockbox is very gcc-centric. The only way to find the problems with other compilers is to try them.
10:59:03Mikachuceacy: gd, not dg
10:59:09B4gderdongs: the apps are of course all apps, including codecs
10:59:32ceacyMikachu> oups :/
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11:00:01peturceacy: it will wipe the disk, not the bootloader.
11:00:34ceacyok, i'll try, so
11:00:37ceacythanks !
11:01:01peturcopy stuff of the disk if you need it
11:01:14petur*off
11:02:19ceacyfat16 or fat32 ?
11:02:57peturfat32
11:03:07ceacymkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1, so ? Thanks
11:04:31ceacyand, if a launch a "fsck.vfat -ta /dev/sdb1", how much time will it last ?
11:05:05B4gderunfortunately that fsck is not very good
11:05:06*petur has no clue about linux stuff
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11:05:23ceacyIs it better to use Windows's disk checker ?
11:05:28B4gderI don't know
11:05:39B4gderwhen I had problems I just did a mkfs
11:05:45B4gderand never looked back
11:05:50ceacyok ;)
11:06:01B4gderbecause fsck couldn't fix them
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11:06:28ManticeHello
11:06:50ManticeI get crc error when installing roxbox on my ipod mini :(
11:06:55preglowwhat error
11:06:59preglowehh
11:07:01preglowi read "gcc error" there
11:07:02preglowsorry
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11:07:55Manticedisk_readDATA error then it says <CRC>
11:08:17ManticeIs there a way it can skip the bad sector or somthing
11:08:27preglowyeah, a reformat
11:08:33preglowbut first be sure it's that that's causing it
11:08:41ManticeIts the hard drive
11:09:03ManticeI can install the ipod fermware sweet as
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11:09:23ManticeSome times it does the hard drive click thing on the bad sectors
11:09:26preglowi think a full reformat might mark the bad sectors, either that, or you need to do one of those complete disk scans i haven't done for seven years
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11:09:39ManticeI used scan disk
11:09:47Manticeis that complete ?
11:09:56preglowif you told it to be :)
11:10:03preglowi don't remember how scandisk works anymore
11:10:33Mantice:( do you use another program
11:11:26preglownope
11:11:30preglowi just hope my disks never fail
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11:12:52ManticeIt got droped by a blonde
11:13:00ManticeThen she droped it again to fix it
11:13:11Manticeand then let her friends kick it around the room
11:13:26Manticeand it had ipod sadface so i came and saved it
11:13:34Manticeand fixed the hdd so it boots
11:13:51peturwhy not have it repaired and give her the bill?
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11:16:03preglowwhy not just kick her around the room
11:16:18preglowuntil she gets the ipod sadface
11:16:22Mikachuhahahaha
11:19:36preglowsomeone please send good weather
11:19:59*petur has sun and 22 degrees celcius
11:21:32Manticelol
11:22:02*petur notes this is 3 degrees below his max limit
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11:26:15Manticecrc error again :*(@#(
11:29:38preglowMantice: sounds like the drive's in bad shape
11:29:53B4gderand that's hardly a surprise
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11:31:20RedBrevaHi Folks - http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_160x128x2.html is now just about done, and in about 15 minutes, so am I for a couple of days...
11:32:24peturmaybe remove the ugly link border around the WPS?
11:32:45Mikachuthen it wouldn't be obvious it's a link
11:32:57RedBrevaI know - that was an accident, but I wondered if it may work better like that?
11:33:23ravonDoes the image have to be a link?
11:33:38crashdRedBreva: people are used to having stuff hyperlinked that doesnt have a link border these days
11:33:57ravonwow, scary. Just listened to My Humps 10 seconds ago.
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11:36:21crashdravon: unlucky ;\
11:36:26ravon:D
11:38:16preglowlistened to your what?
11:38:41crashdThe Black Eyed Peas - My Humps
11:38:43crashdshame on ravon
11:38:44crashdshame.
11:39:07RedBrevaOk, Border gone, but image is still a link
11:39:25preglowunlucky indeed
11:39:28ManticeCan some one give me a free ipod mines dieing :(
11:39:45ManticeSome one donate to me a first gen ^_^
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11:40:01amiconnWow. Video is a real battery sucker on ipod 5g according to apple...
11:40:18petur3 cores active?
11:40:22crashdi got about 3 hours when i tested video
11:40:25crashdi was actually quite suprised
11:41:12preglowamiconn: deed
11:41:20preglowi don't see the point
11:44:04ManticeI pods fuckesz-r
11:44:24preglowi wonder if the forum mp3 data abort stuff is caused by toni's patch
11:45:57ravonAnyone who've experienced random reboots and configuration losses lately, or is it my player/build that's going down the drain?
11:46:38ManticeRavon your player is slowly dieing
11:46:52ManticeIf you want a good home for it ill use it for testing
11:46:57ravonhaha :D
11:47:06Mantice:{
11:47:08Mantice:P
11:47:09ravonHow very thoughtful of you :)
11:47:18ManticeMy ipod is dead :(
11:47:24ravonIt's an X5 though, not an ipod
11:47:39ManticeDont worry I can still use it
11:47:48ravonAh, ok then.
11:48:09ManticeIpod got droped by a stupid girl multiaple times
11:48:20ManticeThen they played soccer with the dead ipod
11:48:29ravonBloody savages.
11:48:37peturMantice: have her pay for the repairs
11:48:41ManticeYeah I fixed it
11:48:53ravonOr drop her on the ground a couple of times.
11:49:00ManticeSo no more ipod sadface and I can put music on it but ipod software sucks
11:49:02amiconnpreglow: I started my mp3 runtime test this morning. Got no data abort until I left home. Testing mp3 exclusively...
11:49:07linuxstbpreglow: I'm thinking the same. Can MP3 frames have padding bytes? (I know layer-2 does).
11:49:11ManticeIt was her ipod lol
11:49:28peturah
11:49:39ManticeI bought for 20 bucks and it fixed it and it works
11:49:41peturso they gave it to you because it was broken
11:49:47peturheh
11:49:48Manticeit just has some bad sectors
11:50:06ManticeIts worth more than 20 bucks in parts :)
11:51:00amiconnlinuxstb: Layer 1 has multiple-of-4 frame sizes, all other layers have multiple-of-1 frame sizes
11:51:13preglowlinuxstb: they can
11:51:18amiconnPadding can happen in any layer, to exact-match the desired bitrate
11:52:32ravonhttp://ormgas.com/rockbox/dd/dc6/structplugin__api.html <- Will that style work, or is it too messy? (ignore the buttons)
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11:53:23ravonGotta love the person who documented "worm". "All the properties that a worm has."
11:53:34zigfordAmen
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11:58:24linuxstbravon: Looks good to me.
11:58:28linuxstbCan doxygen deal with the conditional compilation in Rockbox? i.e. some functions/structures will only be available on certain targets, and there are probably functions and structures which have different definitions for different targets.
11:59:36preglowdoxygen can parse properly
11:59:38ravonlinuxstb: Yeah, you can set parsing defines
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12:00:10t0masman what a beautifull weather here...
12:00:46ravonOff to purchase something to put in my face.. brb
12:00:48linuxstbBut wouldn't that mean different doxygen websites for the different targets? Ideally, we would want one tree, but some indication about which targets certain functions are available on.
12:00:49t0mas-l
12:01:14ravonlinuxstb: That would be a problem, yes
12:01:21linuxstbravon: Also, don't forget the GraphicsAPI wiki page if you are trying to document the LCD related functrions.
12:01:53ravonlinuxstb: Ah, mostly checking the files in the docs/ folder now, but I'll dig some on the wiki too. Thanks.
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12:05:04linuxstbTaking the LCD code as an example, the exported API is in firmware/export/lcd.h, but it is implemented in various .c files in firmware/drivers. There are probably about 8 or 9 LCD-related .c files, but each target will only use one or two of them (the high-level framebuffer drawing code specific to the LCD format - 1bpp, 2bpp, 16bpp etc, and the low-level device driver).
12:09:27amiconnThe 1bpp driver don't use that separation yet
12:09:33amiconn*drivers
12:09:48amiconn...and charcell is again different
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12:12:53dongshow do i find out which files are required for a given target?
12:13:30linuxstbLook in apps/SOURCES and firmware/SOURCES (plus a few other places...)
12:15:28linuxstbIMO, the best approach to documentation would be to document the internal APIs in Rockbox, starting with the plugin API, the codec API, the multi-screen GUI API.
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12:16:03linuxstbThat, and some high-level overview documents (a lot of which already exist) would go a long way. I'm not sure of the value of documenting every single function.
12:17:07linuxstbAnd the idea is that those APIs are target-independent.
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12:17:29theli_uaanyone here with 4G iPod ( i need tester ) ?
12:18:11skwadjust wanted to know if it was possible to have sublines in the %?mp<Stop|Play|Pause|Ffwd|Rew>
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12:18:34dongsdoes nano count as 4g?
12:18:42theli_uano
12:19:00theli_uanano is nano :)
12:19:01dongswhy is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus saying about battery status showing empty? it is not showing empty for me
12:19:22theli_uait was so some time ago
12:20:43linuxstbdongs: In terms of hardware, the Nano is almost identical to a 4g Color/Photo.
12:20:59linuxstbBut for some reason, no-one calls it a 4g...
12:21:43theli_uawell.. i need tester for RockBoy on grayscale ipod ... so for me nano is completely different from 4g :)
12:21:51zigfordI have a 4g and am willing to test
12:21:56skwad4g are grayscale ? :s
12:21:59zigfordyep
12:23:21zigfordtheli_ua:
12:23:22linuxstbThere are both colour and greyscale 4Gs. The only difference between the 4g greyscale and the Photo/Color is the LCD.
12:23:41theli_uazigford, wai.. i'll build release :)
12:23:42skwadcould someone explain me why this doesn't work : %?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%t1%xdT;%t0.5%xdB|%xdB|%xdB> ?
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12:25:25theli_uazigford, please, put http://theli.ho.com.ua/rockboy.rock into .rockbox/viewers/
12:26:15wehnskwad: the ; does alternating sublines...
12:26:58wehneach subline needs to be valid in it's own right I think, and it takes the whole left and right of the ; as different lines
12:27:20zigforddone
12:27:24zigfordtheli_ua: done
12:27:31wehndisplay %?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%t1%xdT then display %t0.5%xdB|%xdB|%xdB>
12:27:38ravonlinuxstb: The doxygen comments would only go into the header files, but various defines could mess it all up.
12:27:56skwadok wehn
12:28:03ravonUnless there's a way of separating specific platform quirks in some neat way.
12:28:15theli_uazigford, then try to open some *.gb or *gbc with it :)
12:28:58theli_uazigford, but remember it is not already playable due to cntrols issue ... i'm just adopting rockboy for grayscale ipods' screens
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12:30:31Byronin your guys opinion, what is the best hard-drive based Iriver that works with Rockbox and can use the accessability features like talking directories? I know that the Archos Recorder 20 is the best for Archos but what is the simular model for Iriver?
12:31:15B4gderByron: all swcodecs speak directories etc the same way
12:31:35Byrongood, I thought so, but I wanted to make sure I mentioned that.
12:32:28wehnskwad: ah I see what your trying to do, animated Pause symbol? How come the play stop etc all seem the same?
12:32:58skwadjust a blank image
12:33:03wehnskwad: I have a kludgy idea
12:33:24Byronwe want a 20gb, recording, maybe FM Radio Enabled, OGG playing device, what is the reccomended hardware?
12:33:31theli_uazigford, ping
12:33:52zigfordtheli_ua: I didn't have a gb file. Just downloaded one. Brb
12:34:00B4gderByron: iriver h1x0 series
12:34:08wehnskwad: %?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%xdT|%xdB|%xdB>;%?mp<%xdB|%xdB|%xdB|%xdB|%xdB>
12:34:43skwadand wehn just more difficult, make it for this one ^^ :
12:34:43skwad%?mp<%t1%xdT;%t0.5|%xdU|%t1%xdV;%t0.5|%t0.4%xdW;%t0.2|%t0.4%xdX;%t0.2>
12:34:57Byronwhat models are there in the h1x0 series?
12:35:08Maxou`h120 & h140 i think
12:35:16B4gderand the older h100
12:35:29B4gderbut none of them are made anymore
12:35:54whatboutbobH100 changed names to H110...there's also the H115.
12:36:12whatboutbob...but the H120 and H140 are going damn cheap on ebay atm.
12:36:17B4gderyeah, in fact it was calle ihp-100 as the 100 never changed name iirc
12:36:33B4gderI mean from ihp to H
12:36:42zigfordtheli_ua: I have copied a .gb file into my ipod root, should it simply appear in the main menu?
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12:37:23theli_uazigford , make rockbox to show all files... than hold select when selected .gb .. choose open with and choose rockboy
12:38:03whatboutbobanyone here test preglow's optical recording patch with a 96khz signal?
12:38:52Genre9mp3A question: H300 stock battery is 1300 or 1400 mAh?
12:38:56zigfordtheli_ua: I got a message: "incompatible version"
12:39:12theli_uazigford, what's your rockbox version?
12:39:26zigfordtheli_ua: yesterdays cvs
12:39:42zigfordtheli_ua: I will take spaces out of the file name..
12:39:56theli_uaanyone knows did plugin api ver changed since yesterdays cvs?
12:40:36theli_uazigford, spaces are fine :)
12:40:48zigfordtheli_ua: I will update to today's cvs
12:41:02theli_uazigford, bleeding edge would be better :)
12:43:03preglowwhatboutbob: it's been tested
12:43:23zigfordtheli_ua: Sweet. Its working
12:43:46preglowwhatboutbob: and it works
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12:44:04theli_uazigford, nice ... no .. when i'm done with adopting for minis i'll post patch to tracker
12:44:08zigfordtheli_ua: audio is slow, game is Alien 3
12:44:23theli_uazigford, yeah ... there are a LOT optimisation to do :)
12:45:05zigfordtheli_ua: Yes, but even getting to this stage is awsome!!
12:45:06theli_uaand it is unplayable for ipods now due to controls... that would be my next patch :D
12:45:28theli_uazigford, thanks go to original porters of gnuboy to rockbox :)
12:45:48Byronthe h120 is not being made any more, it seems the cheapest I can get is 149, with 20 shipping
12:45:55Byronis that about right?
12:46:02linuxstbtheli_ua, zigford: I think Rockboy outputs audio at 11.025KHz - the ipod port doesn't handle that yet (but it's on my to-do list).
12:46:37theli_ualinuxstb, yeah ... but anyway rockboy needs a lot of optimisations to work nicer :)
12:46:40zigfordtheli_ua: The controls are working in Alien 3
12:47:19theli_uazigford, well ... they work .. but for no select is mapped to menu by default and the only usable controls are up-down-left-right
12:47:37zigfordthats all i need for tetris
12:47:55Byronis about $169 appropriate for an h120?
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12:48:14B4gderthere's no such thing as an "appropriate" value
12:48:25B4gderif people are prepared to pay that, then its worth that
12:48:31zigfordtheli_ua: Thanks for giving me chance to test. Wife is calling me to bed. I must leave.
12:48:39crashdhe means with reference to the retail price and second hand prices on ebay and the like
12:48:43Byronwell, is that a bargin or is that the usual price?
12:48:44crashdthere's no need to be pedantic B4gder ;)
12:49:01B4gderso how do you tell if an ebay price is "good"?
12:49:08B4gderyou check a few other sales
12:49:12B4gderand then that's it
12:49:13dongsby buying in a real store.
12:49:20crashdwhatever dude, pedantry doesnt help anyone
12:49:21dongslol @ buying anything > $10 from scambay.
12:49:24B4gderyeah, you buy a h120 in a real store
12:49:31B4gdergood luck
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12:50:24B4gderyou don't get my point
12:50:30B4gder*we* can't tell what a good price is
12:50:39B4gderbut we can by searching
12:50:45B4gderwhich anyone can do who can ask here
12:50:51Genre9mp3I made a battery benchmark with my H340, when I went to submit the results at the wiki, I saw that the stock battery is reffered as 1400mAh. Can anyone confirm this? If so, my bench is useless? (since I've set it to 1300mAh in rockbox)
12:51:20B4gderGenre9mp3: your battery setting won't affect your actual run-time
12:51:25B4gderonly the estimated one
12:51:27Rob2222Do you know, that there are rare HARD-LOCKs at the iriver H300?
12:51:33Genre9mp3Oh, Ok
12:51:40Genre9mp3thanx for clearing that
12:51:49preglowgood lord, how the linux scheduler sucks ass
12:51:59Mikachupreglow: try -ck
12:52:14theli_uapreglow, there are number of schedulers ... try different :)
12:52:25preglowi'd rather use molnar's patches if i'm going to roll my own anyway
12:52:28whatboutbobpreglow: do you know if the 96khz recording was analysed for clicks and pops?
12:52:36Mikachuthose are only for guaranteed realtime iirc
12:52:54preglowwhatboutbob: probably wasn't, i just had slasheri test to see if my sample rate detection works, plus to see if if it recorded at all. why would it pop?
12:53:05preglowMikachu: i pretty much need realtime, obviously
12:53:11Rob2222All busy here... :)
12:53:15preglowtried -ck once, it was slightly better, but not by as far as i'd like
12:53:23preglows/far/much/
12:53:26Mikachupreglow: then use SCHED_RR?
12:53:36ByronI've read that the audio playback is a bit buggy on Rockbox for Iriver, can it deal with ogg well, or is it safe to assume that audio output is still pretty buggy
12:53:59preglowMikachu: if i ever figure out how to compile a kernel that actually boots with ubuntu afterwards, i'll try lots of stuff
12:54:16Rob2222Has someone got a hard-freeze at H300 when hitting Play and getting into pause mode with this? I got it, always the same, when hitting pause, but very rarely.
12:54:20preglowMikachu: right now i'm using realtime-lsm to give jackd realtime prio, and even with that, audio skips at 50ms latency
12:54:31skwadsouldn't just this here work ? %xdB;%xdT
12:54:46dongsall the .asm stuff is in GNU assembler syntax :(
12:54:46preglowMikachu: and if that is linux' definition of a realtime process, the scheduler sucks ass
12:54:47Mikachuokay
12:55:10whatboutbobpreglow: someone was just asking me about it...apparently the jb3 (the current 'tapers choice' for budget optical recording) records 96khz w/ clicks and pops.
12:55:12Mikachuwell, linux isn't a realtime kernel so it probably is
12:55:37preglowwhatboutbob: well, i'll see if slasheri ever feels like doing a test for me
12:55:41linuxstbwhatboutbob: Does the jb3 support 24-bit?
12:55:48preglowwhatboutbob: he's the only guy i know of with 96khz caps
12:55:58whatboutbobpreglow: i know the jb3 and h1xx share a bit of h/w, so thought i'd check.
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12:56:06preglowwhatboutbob: doubt they share the spdif interface
12:56:10preglowwhatboutbob: since it's on the coldfire chip
12:56:19whatboutbobif he feels like sharing the files i'd be happy to look at 'em.
12:56:31whatboutboblinuxstb: nope. 16bit only.
12:56:47Slasheripreglow: i had pops on it too, but i believe the bad cable caused it
12:56:48preglow16 bit only, why the hell
12:56:57preglowSlasheri: yeah, there's that
12:57:14Slasherias when i pushed in the cable very hard, the signal was clear
12:57:21linuxstbpreglow: Are you saying that spdif recording is nothing to do with the uda1380?
12:57:26Slasheribut that was really hard to do
12:57:29preglowlinuxstb: nothing at all
12:57:50preglowi think the spdif interface is just a straight optocoupler interfaced straight to the coldfire
12:58:12linuxstbSo the data isn't transferred via i2s? Or is there there some kind of internal i2s bus in the coldfire?
12:58:15whatboutbobslasheri: what setup are you using to test 96khz?
12:58:18preglowall i2s is internal
12:58:29linuxstbI thought there was i2s between the coldfire and uda?
12:58:39preglowlinuxstb: but no, no i2s for recording, the data goes straight from the spdif to the fifo
12:59:08preglowlinuxstb: disregard that last remark
12:59:16preglowlinuxstb: uda comms is i2s, yes, but not spdif
12:59:33preglowit's completely internal to the coldfire
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12:59:45Slasheriwhatboutbob: E-MU 1820m sound card, and standard 5m toslink cable with miniplug converter
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13:00:03Slasheriwith other 2m cable, i couldn't get signal at all at 96 kHz
13:00:15Slasherieven with 44.1 kHz the signal was quite errorneus
13:00:17linuxstbDoes that mean it's possible to play back different data to the uda and spdif?
13:00:34preglowlinuxstb: not unless you use two separate fifos
13:00:37whatboutbobslasheri: miniplug converters can be finicky.
13:01:10preglowlinuxstb: and only one of them supports dma
13:01:17preglowyeah, they can
13:01:44whatboutbobinteresting that slasheri's recordings were 'erroneous' and didn't just hang.
13:01:47preglowit's best to find a real tos/jack cable, but i can't find them anywhere anymore
13:02:27preglowwhatboutbob: i don't stop recording on errors
13:02:35whatboutbobi've got a proven spare toslink cable if it'll help the cause. :-)
13:03:01preglowdoubt it'll be very proven after mailing, heh
13:03:17preglowdamned break prone optical cables
13:03:30whatboutbobhehe...i had to import it from the US, so it is possible...
13:04:36preglowlinuxstb: what'd be the use of that anyway, btw? :)
13:05:49linuxstbNo idea, I'm just curious to know what's possible...
13:06:08linuxstbMaybe the spdif could output unaltered audio (bypassing the DSP)...
13:06:32preglowi'd rather have it altered
13:07:03linuxstbBut no, I can't think of any reason which is worthwhile..
13:07:04preglowbut sure, it is possible, it would just require two pcmbuf's, a separate interrupt driven output routine, etc
13:07:07preglowheh
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13:07:46linuxstb4-channel output for those 1970s quadraphonic recordings...
13:08:28preglowhahaha
13:08:38preglowplease don't ever mention that again
13:08:49preglowtoo many things are stereo hardcoded, and should remain that way ;)
13:10:48romanoshas anyone any idea if the rockbox v.3 is gonna come out for all dpas at the same time?
13:11:31Mikachuyes and no
13:11:36romanosnano?
13:11:42Mikachuno nano
13:11:45romanos:(
13:11:54romanoswhy?
13:12:05Mikachubecause
13:12:09romanos:P
13:12:19preglowit's hardly finished
13:12:21preglowtons of work left to do
13:12:32preglowit'll be out for the irivers first
13:12:32theli_uacan someone say why archos targets don't define LCD_PIXELFORMAT?
13:12:41theli_uai mean in config includes
13:12:47B4gdertheli_ua: because they don't have color lcds
13:13:04theli_uayeah.. i know they have mono
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13:13:25theli_uaLCD_PIXELFORMAT for them should be VERTICAL_PACKING
13:13:34B4gderyeah I guess
13:13:43B4gderproably nothing ever needed that before
13:14:34romanossomething completely irrelevant... if i'm using my usb2 pci hub for my sound card, Is that in a slower rate than the usb onboard ports?
13:14:38dongswhere does the mp3 codec go?
13:14:43dongsis it built in to main firmware.bin?
13:14:48preglowno
13:14:53Mikachudongs: ls
13:14:54linuxstbtheli_ua: Because AFAIK, there is currently only one type of packing for mono LCDs.
13:15:00dongsis?
13:15:05preglowall codecs are placed in the codecs/ dir
13:15:14dongsand mp3 codec is named...
13:15:18preglowmopa
13:15:18preglowmpa <-
13:15:22dongsah.
13:15:26romanoswas that no for me preglow?
13:15:31preglowit's not only mp3
13:15:37preglowit's mp1 mp2 and mp3
13:15:44preglowromanos: no
13:15:50theli_ualinuxstb, yeah .. there is only one for now
13:15:51Mikachuromanos: that one was for you
13:16:12romanosok
13:16:48dongsrandom question of hte day: is there a reason why language menu is localized? it makes it very hard to get out of a random language if accidentally chosen
13:17:24romanosreset setting and always have a .cfg
13:17:37dongsyea, but that doesnt help user friendliness.
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13:17:49Mikachudongs: it's the same way on stock ipods, and every device i have seen
13:18:09romanosexactly
13:18:14B4gderhaving it in english is hardly user-friendly either if you don't speak english
13:18:43dongshm. my experience have been the opposite (language menu is usually not localized)
13:18:48Trkstrhello
13:19:08romanosthe whole world speaks english
13:19:09linuxstbCan't you just browse the .lang files from the file browser?
13:19:15Trkstrwhats the general rules on this channel?
13:19:16Mikachuromanos: haha
13:19:19romanosthe internet as well
13:19:27Trkstri don't wanna do something and get kicked....
13:19:43MikachuTrkstr: don't run around naked
13:19:49Trkstrcool
13:19:49B4gderTrkstr: buy all the regulars beer and offer huge amounts of good source
13:19:56romanosit would be really unlikely for someone that didn't understand english to get rockbox on his dpa
13:19:59B4gderthen you'll be fine
13:20:19Mikachuromanos: if they know english, why would they change the language setting in the first place?
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13:20:31B4gderromanos: you know some people will have it done for them
13:20:43dongs< romanos> it would be really unlikely for someone that didn't understand english to get rockbox on his dpa
13:20:50linuxstbromanos: I'm sure there are various non-English websites with Rockbox installation instructions.
13:20:50dongsreally? im about to recommend it to my friend
13:20:58Trkstrwhats up with the next song function on rockbox?
13:20:58dongswho would probably fail reading past step 1
13:21:03Mikachunobody in japan speaks english :)
13:21:08dongsexactly.
13:21:29romanosdunno..
13:21:40Mikachuand jungti's isn't very good either
13:21:40dongsthe unicode font is so damn ugly too
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13:21:54Mikachudongs: try 6+12x13
13:21:55romanosdefinitely sure about that
13:22:00dongsi know, thats the ugly one
13:22:04Mikachuheh
13:22:07Mikachutry unifont?
13:22:28romanoscan i get any greek fonts inside rockbox? LOL.
13:22:32dongssomeone should like, take sbits out of msgothic/gulimche and make a font but that would probably be illegal to distribute
13:22:36Mikachuromanos: yes lololol
13:22:37B4gderromanos: yes
13:22:51romanoscool
13:23:47amiconndongs: What do you mean with 'the language menu isn't localised'?
13:23:49Trkstrok i don't know if anyone has asked about this but: im playing Du Hast as the first song. Then i skip to next song when it hits someway into the song, it jumps to somewhere in the song, the name of the current playing song changes onthe display but the song is still Duhast...
13:23:51Trkstr??
13:24:09dongsamiconn: no, what i mean is it IS localized
13:24:19dongsamiconn: so once oyu switch to something like arabic, you're fucked trying to get back to english
13:24:26dongs(by mistake)
13:24:27amiconnThere is no language menu, General Settings->Language just opens a sub-browser, showing the .lng files
13:24:48romanosyeah!! rockbox dosn't really likes negative things like du hast = " you hate me "
13:24:58amiconn...and their names are localised as long as the localised name is displayable with ascii chars
13:25:29amiconnThe latter is a remnant from before-utf8 times
13:25:32romanosjust kiddin Trkstr
13:25:45Trkstrlol and then like if i hit the next song button again, it seems to start playing the next song in the list completely skipping the song right after Du Hast
13:25:59romanosTrkstr : what kind of player have u got?
13:26:00MikachuTrkstr: what version of rockbox are you using?
13:26:03Trkstripod
13:26:05Trkstrvideo
13:26:11Trkstri downloaded the lates daily build
13:26:14dongsis it normal to have nano rockbox version randomly lockup?
13:26:14amiconnromanos: Completely wrong translation...
13:26:17Mikachuon what day?
13:26:20Trkstrtoday
13:26:23Trkstrabout 20min ago
13:26:27linuxstbTrkstr: What kind of files are you playing?
13:26:32Trkstrmp3
13:26:42Trkstrthey were the ones originally on my ipod before rockbox
13:26:43romanosamiconn : really?
13:26:55Mikachui thought hast is have
13:27:10Trkstri unhid the ipod folder and got the cache action going..
13:27:11amiconnMikachu is right
13:27:30amiconnamiconn <= german
13:27:35romanos:P
13:27:39romanossorry :P
13:27:56romanosi was just about to ruin your language :P
13:28:48Bg3rromanos http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics
13:29:25Trkstrshould i try an older release?
13:29:27Bg3rmore precisely: http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/sehnsucht#du_hast
13:29:58Trkstrcos i really wanna get into rockbox but.... :(
13:30:24romanosTrkstr , u really have to be patient
13:30:33Trkstrok
13:30:48romanospeople are workin on it.. i'm havin same problems with nano
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13:30:55Trkstryeah i know .. its a work in progress :P
13:30:56Trkstrok
13:31:21dongsproblems?
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13:31:33Jungti1234hello!
13:31:34Trkstrin the meantime, how do i boot into the original ipod firmware without removing rockbox?
13:31:43dongsTrkstr: hold menu while power on
13:31:43romanoshold menu
13:31:49Trkstrta
13:31:50Jungti1234long time no see
13:32:28Trkstrwow you guys so roxors
13:32:34Trkstr<3
13:32:48dongswhat isnt working on your ipod that you would ever want to go back to the original fw?
13:32:59romanosamiconn : i had this in mind.. that's why i got confused , Du hasst
13:33:01peturB4gder: would be nice to get usbotg code from The Manufacturer :)
13:33:12B4gderyeps
13:33:13Trkstrdongs: the skip to next song function
13:33:25peturbut it won't help the h3x0 :(
13:33:26dongsyou mean, ">|" button?
13:33:28linuxstbpetur: And their video player...
13:33:41B4gderthey do claim 25fps video on one of their devices
13:33:44Trkstryeah the >>| button
13:33:46Jungti1234hm
13:33:52dongsi'm on a nano and it works.. as far as I can tell
13:34:18Trkstrhmm i might try new songs altogether
13:34:23peturif it has 40GB disk and does recording, I'll buy one :D
13:34:36linuxstbIt also uses 2.5" disks...
13:34:39dongsare you inside the iPod_Control dir?
13:34:42dongsfor the tunes?
13:34:54linuxstbWhich is a major selling point for me - I can fit my entire collection on it in FLAC...
13:35:04dongstry makign a dir in root dir and stick some mp3s there
13:35:06romanosflac rules
13:35:23romanoswhat player are u talkin about?
13:35:24*linuxstb is too lazy to use lossy compression
13:35:26B4gder2.5" disks are good
13:35:36peturromanos: see forum
13:35:46linuxstbThese players: http://www.portable.geek.nz/
13:35:47B4gderromanos: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978
13:36:32Mikachuhooray, i am the 123th visitor
13:36:47peturlinuxstb: "You are the 121 th visitor since this site is opened on April 2006. " hehe
13:37:22romanosi'm 124 th
13:37:23romanos:P
13:37:35amiconnpetur: I got a mail from the amiga usb stack developer yesterday. While I think it was just a mistake that he mailed me, I should probably ask for some hints for usb stack implementations
13:37:58linuxstbSend him an h300...
13:38:01dwihno"This player can only support up to 3 FAT32 partition, as FAT32 can only support 32GB per partition, the player would not be able to take advanage of HDD with >100GB."
13:38:16B4gderhahaha
13:38:18dwihno:)
13:38:18peturamiconn: the first issue is still to access the chip
13:38:30amiconnI mailed him ~2 years ago concerning a problem with my archos recorder and his usb stack. He fixed it and mailed some beta versions
13:38:51Trkstrdongs: yeah thats what im gonna try now..
13:39:29dongsTrkstr: since the tunes dir is hidden, and mp3s are randomly thrown around in subdirs under that, im guessing maybe somethign gets screwed up along the way.
13:39:39Trkstrtrue
13:39:40dongsTrkstr: and if you try it in a root dir and it doesnt work, then you can start complainng
13:39:46amiconnpetur: In case you're interested, this is hios site: http://www.platon42.de/index2.html
13:39:54Trkstrdone deal dongs :)
13:40:47amiconndwihno: Some people seem to have weird "information" about fat32...
13:41:23Mikachui'm almost sure fat32 can be larger than that
13:41:26Trkstrok 10 min till all songs are backed up...
13:41:38B4gderMikachu: of course, MUCH larger
13:41:39dwihnoamiconn: yeah... silly, ain't it?
13:41:51*dwihno keeps a 320GB partition on a USB disk
13:42:10dwihno32GB limitation is just plain bullcrap.
13:42:26B4gderthat 32GB limit is just XP's limit where it refuses to format any larger
13:42:36TrkstrNTFS!
13:42:39Trkstr:P
13:42:53amiconnFat32 has a theoretical limit of 8TB with max. in-specs cluster size
13:43:04dwihnoShould be enough for rockbox then.
13:43:08Trkstrlol
13:43:12romanosuse ext3
13:43:14romanos:P
13:43:26B4gder8TB should fit most of my music collection
13:43:32dwihno;)
13:43:44B4gder*g*
13:43:47amiconn(2^28 clusters * 32KB/cluster)
13:44:43romanoswho's Chris Hodges?
13:46:37amiconnAuthor of Poseidon, the Amiga USB stack
13:46:42dongshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus < how true is this?
13:47:19romanoshm..
13:47:39dongswill nano charge if I plug it into a dead usb port (PC is powered off, but usb power is still going)
13:47:54dongs(since there is no indicator of charging or not)
13:48:12romanoswell .. rockbox is much much better than using ipodlinux and even much better than retailOS in any ways.. even if it still got bugs...
13:48:26dongswho the hell wants to use ipodlunix
13:48:57romanossomeone who wants to play iboy and watch videos like me on my nano
13:48:59romanos:P
13:49:28Jungti1234what is 'fm transmit'?
13:49:31Jungti1234Radio?
13:49:35romanosi reckon
13:49:36dongsfm transmitter
13:49:45dongssend currently playing shit to a nearby fm radio
13:49:49dongsfor car use? i guess.
13:50:03Jungti1234ah
13:50:17Jungti1234I understood, thanks
13:50:21B4gdermainly for in-case use, yes
13:50:31B4gderbanned in almost the entire Europe
13:51:00dongsreally?
13:51:02B4gderalthough there's new regulation coming up
13:51:09romanoswhat r u talkin about?
13:51:11B4gderdongs: yes indeed
13:51:22amiconnI have read somewhere that fm transmitters are allowed now in germany
13:51:34B4gder50 nanowatts are gonna be allowed within EU
13:51:39dwihnoromanos: ipl have video playback?
13:51:41amiconnThey used to be banned
13:51:57romanosdwihno : yes
13:52:08dwihnoB4gder: you've read about the EU directive changing this sep. 1?
13:52:10amiconnHowever, an AUX input is tons better than fm transmission.
13:52:16B4gderdwihno: yes, that would be it
13:52:21amiconnI believe even a cassette adapter is better
13:52:31B4gdercassette adapter is far better
13:52:35dwihnoromanos: funky :)
13:52:39romanosdwihno : uncompressed avi .. but i use mpegs as well
13:52:52dwihnoFM transmitter is good on those CD-only car players
13:53:05romanosmainly for converting my camera vids and watch them in ipod nano :P
13:53:08B4gderyeah, no CD adapters yet ;-P
13:53:14dongsheh
13:53:14dwihnoromanos: ah, okay
13:53:19Jungti1234wow
13:53:23dwihnoB4gder: Don't you worry, I'm working on it ;D
13:53:27B4gderhaha
13:53:36amiconnMy car stereo has *2* aux inputs :-P
13:53:37Jungti1234I found document about USBOTG.
13:54:13dwihnoToo bad there is no information on the amount of RAM on that "new" player
13:54:35Jungti1234Because it's in Korean, I can understand easily.
13:55:40Trkstr<3 you dongs :) thanks seem to have fixed the problem :)
13:56:31Trkstraww now i can't complain :P but i will praise :) woot! :)
13:57:01dongshuhu
13:57:04dongsya
13:58:26Trkstrnow to get meself a decent skin :P
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14:00:45Trkstrhows the ogg support in rockbox?
14:00:50Trkstri haven't tested it out yet
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14:01:33dongsit seems to work - someone sent me a 300kbps ogg yesterday before he went and bought a nano to test
14:01:38dongsit played and didnt skip
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14:02:40Trkstrawesome
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14:02:59dj-fui'm gettin no skips on my ipod at all
14:03:03dj-fueven with crossfeed enabled
14:03:04romanosdongs, you're wrong..
14:03:07dprore
14:03:13dongsoh?
14:03:13romanoslol
14:03:16dongsabout?
14:03:46romanosabout skips
14:03:51dproromanos: that was an english re: not a greek 're
14:04:03romanoskaralol
14:04:05romanos:P
14:04:48romanoswell... i really got to say that i wouldn't even imagine to find so many Greeks in here..
14:04:57Trkstrok need to reboot router
14:04:57romanosWE ARE EVERYWHERE
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14:05:08romanos:P
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14:05:18*dpro isn't technically greek, just happend to know the tongue a bit
14:05:34romanoseverywehere , except world cup 2006..
14:05:39B4gderg(r)eeks everywhere!
14:05:39dprohehe
14:06:15romanoshow absurd can that be? Winning the euro and not even qualifying for the world cup..
14:06:20dprorehaklis ;)
14:06:23romanoscrap
14:06:48Mikachuthe only greek i know is stuff like ρ=|φ|² :)
14:07:07romanosthat's not greek
14:07:18romanosthat's cubes
14:07:20romanos:P
14:07:34*dpro has an .at passport, so the in the next EM we can take part because we are co-organising it - not becasue we managed to qualify
14:07:36Mikachumirc isn't famous for working right
14:07:50romanosoh.. got your point :P
14:08:01dproMikachu: I saw it just fine in xchat
14:08:11romanosregards the encoding
14:08:26Mikachumirc only supports double- and singlebyte encodings
14:08:31Mikachuafaik
14:09:09romanosyep
14:09:25theli_uaanyone knows is there any possibility to read absolute wheel value with IPOD_4G_PAD ?
14:09:35romanosit's not that hard to get greek fonts workin though
14:09:50dprotheli_ua: yes there is
14:09:52romanosjust no one is interesting in mirc to get that workin
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14:10:13dprotheli_ua: there's a patch for absolute values mikachu should know where to find it
14:10:20theli_uai saw it
14:10:24romanosthats where the start of greeklish start to come up
14:10:29romanoscrap
14:10:32dongsJungti1234: what do you think of microsoft GulimChe font?
14:10:34theli_uawell... i mean there is no such possibility in cvs?
14:10:40Jungti1234um?
14:10:41Jungti1234why?
14:10:41Mikachutheli_ua: no, not yet
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14:11:12theli_uaMikachu, i see ... and what's with that patch ? why it is not included yet? it looks fine ...
14:11:26Mikachutheli_ua: feature freeze
14:11:40Mikachutheli_ua: and it's only a proof of concept thing so far
14:11:45dpromikachu: BTW I hacked a bit on the pitch screen, I made it modal (a bit vi like) now I can access pause/rewind without going back to wps, just now I work on setting cuepoints
14:11:59linuxstbtheli_ua: IMO, we need to think about the best way to implement the clickwheel in Rockbox - but the 3.0 release is taking priority. I'm sure it will be worked on after that.
14:12:02Jungti1234dongs: It's smart. but Gulim is smarter than Dotum.
14:12:33dongsmy irc font is gulim 9pt. its amazingly clear.
14:12:36dongs<3
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14:12:39Jungti1234Because it supports some unicode, I think that its good.
14:12:55Mikachulinuxstb: lostlogic had some thoughts about sending touch and release events as well
14:13:08theli_ualinuxstb, heh ... let's wait until 3.0 ... cause reading abcolute values would make some things a bit easier ... implementing rockboy cotrols, for example :D
14:13:34Mikachui have hacked various plugins to use the absolute values in some way
14:13:47Mikachufor example in sudoku i can scroll both up/down and left/right with the wheel :)
14:13:56Mikachui'm still not sure if it's confusing or not
14:13:58linuxstbMikachu: Yes, that's what I mean - I think we've all thought about it to some degree, but it needs a proper discussion to decide the best way to solve all the wheel-related issues.
14:14:00Jungti1234dongs: Gulim is Korean Windows default font.
14:14:02theli_uaMikachu, yeah .. brickmania would be nicer too :)
14:14:13Mikachutheli_ua: already done brickmania
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14:14:47Trkstrwot
14:14:49Trkstrwoot :)
14:14:52dongsJungti1234: i thought so
14:14:56theli_uaMikachu, well... i saw that your patch was initially for brickmania :)
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14:15:59Mikachutheli_ua: no.. but i did add the brickmania patch to the task to give an idea of how to use it
14:16:16linuxstbAnyone here have a 40GB 4G ipod?
14:16:42theli_uai think ziford had 4G ...
14:16:47theli_ua*zigford
14:17:13zigfordYo
14:17:21zigfordsorry, mine is a 20gb
14:17:28linuxstbAh... No use then.
14:17:39Jungti1234dongs: you know 'Malgun Gothic'?
14:17:40linuxstbThe wiki needs a donation of the partition table from a 40gb 4g.
14:18:26dongsJungti1234: havent seen
14:18:41dongso
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14:18:42dongsvista font?
14:18:47Jungti1234yes
14:18:57dongssounds hot.
14:19:00dongsanything vista related is hot.
14:19:01Jungti1234It's still more smart.
14:19:35*dpro only has access to video 30&60, nano 2gb and mini
14:19:39Jungti1234http://static.flickr.com/26/100718425_edd1fc92d1_o.png
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14:20:24Jungti1234hi
14:20:40linuxstbdpro: You need more ipods...
14:21:32dongshm
14:21:34dongsthats cleartyped.
14:21:38Jungti1234yes
14:21:40dongs:(
14:21:44Jungti1234why.. :)
14:21:51dongscleartype = :(
14:21:57ForD20Hello ~
14:22:00Jungti1234haha..;
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14:22:10Jungti1234I like it.
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14:22:47dprolinuxstb: hehe I actually own only one of them, but I'm the rockbox sysadmin for a couple of friends and my flatmate ;)
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14:30:33dwihnoSpeaking of nothing... Has there been any discussion whatsoever on antialiased fonts?
14:30:40dproB4gder: LOL
14:31:18B4gderand now sit up straight and wear that with dignity!
14:31:22dprottyl guys ... I'm off to the pool to cure my hangover (diving boards help)
14:31:23B4gder:-)
14:31:35linuxstbThose mp3/mp4 players talked about in the forum: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/eBluecool
14:31:40dpro:)
14:31:48Mikachudwihno: too slow/uses too much ram probably
14:31:52*dpro attaches badge to swimsuit
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14:32:44dwihnoMikachu: ah, okay.
14:33:28B4gderI wonder if they truly are using 18bit color ;-)
14:33:55B4gder2.5" disk is attractive methinks
14:34:17linuxstbDefinitely.
14:34:20dwihnomhm
14:35:36petur15fps
14:35:40preglowsounds a bit too large
14:36:04linuxstbSeems there may be some GPL infringement going on in the original firmware though. I downloaded the firmware update from www.ebaycool.bin, and "strings" shows that they are using avilib - http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora-tools/theora_transcoder/avilib.c - which is GPL'd.
14:36:08B4gderyeah, they do get slightly larger with that disk
14:36:21B4gderaha
14:36:33linuxstbs/ebaycool.bin/ebluecool.com/
14:36:35peturline-in = 2.5 mm :(
14:37:23markunI've also see Toshiba advertise their 18-bit color screens, but they only use 15-bit
14:37:28B4gderyeps
14:37:34B4gderiaudio does the same
14:37:57B4gderalthough they use 16 and advertise it as 18
14:38:13preglowlinuxstb: i get a preprocessor redefinition in sudoku generator.c for INDEX_MASK when compiling with profiling
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14:38:41linuxstbThat means INDEX_MASK is used outside sudoku?
14:39:00darkskiezhows 3g ipod support looking these days?
14:39:01preglowwell, probably in the profiler
14:39:02linuxstbOr sudoku is redefining it?
14:39:17preglowprofile.h has it
14:39:20linuxstbFeel free to change it in sudoku.
14:39:21preglowprobably just a name clash
14:39:37markunI would like to find out which LCD driver ic the gigabeat uses so we can set it to 16-bit like the other color targets.
14:40:07linuxstbdarkskiez: The same as it looked a couple of months ago. No-one has one, and the person who worked on the port hasn't been around.
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14:40:25darkskiezlinuxstb: ah, ta
14:41:14preglowlostlogic: didn't you say some codecs refused to compile with profiling?
14:44:11preglowlinuxstb: you think we should expand the iram size for those units that support it soon?
14:44:28preglowand if so, how should we allocate it?
14:44:31B4gderthey seem to use xvid too
14:44:31linuxstbNaughty Chinese.... It looks like that mp3 player is using xvidcore - which is GPL'd.
14:44:33B4gderalso GPL
14:44:42linuxstb:)
14:44:45B4gderhahaha
14:44:56B4gder"xvid-1.1.0-beta1"
14:45:02dwihnoThey don't know about the GPL or what is it about?
14:45:19dwihnoIt's not like they are going to use it unnoticed
14:45:21linuxstbThat's good news for Rockbox though - if they give us the source to their port of xvidcore.
14:47:31B4gdersearching for DROBJ and FINODE reveal something about what they use too
14:47:56*linuxstb should stop browsing firmware binaries and get back to work.
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14:48:10darkskiezwhat player is it?
14:48:13B4gderand here's a goodie:
14:48:14B4gder"Uniform Floppy Interface"
14:48:18donkeyxis the audio quality better, worse or same with rockbox on ipod video (g5)?
14:48:43B4gderdarkskiez: http://www.portable.geek.nz/
14:49:12preglowdonkeyx: compared to what? retailos? if so, it should be the same
14:49:19linuxstbpreglow: That's a difficult question. That will also cause amiconn headaches if he wants to unify the two mini builds.
14:49:26donkeyxyes
14:49:28donkeyxok
14:49:35preglowlinuxstb: well, yeah, but there can be no question it needs to be done
14:49:48linuxstbdonkeyx: People have reported a background hiss on the 5g with Apple's firmware that disappears with Rockbox.
14:49:58theli_uawhat does 'prefetch abort' error generally mean ?
14:50:07B4gder"can't kmalloc hub descriptor" seems to be a linux usb stack rip...
14:50:07donkeyxso the quality is better with rockbox?
14:50:28linuxstbBut others have also reported a background clicking noise - but that's only detectable to me when playing silent audio files at high volumes.
14:51:02preglowtheli_ua: that an illegal unaligned memory access happened
14:51:04preglowtheli_ua: where'd you get that?
14:51:25theli_uapreglow, i'm just curious
14:52:25preglowtheli_ua: prefetch abort means that the core tried to run code from an area in the memory space that could not be read normally, i read 'data abort' up there
14:53:15amiconnpreglow: Do you really care about the 32KB extra iram on some ipods? The devices which would need it the most don't have it...
14:54:20linuxstbpreglow: Maybe something like ICODE_ATTR for code in iram on all targets, and platform-specific defines such as ICODE_ATTR_IPOD5G, ICODE_ATTR_X5 (more than one of which can be used with the same function) to implement differences between platforms.
14:54:23preglowamiconn: i would have expected you to be the last to advocate resource waste
14:54:33donkeyxlinuxstb: does the background clicking noise appear with rockbox or appleos
14:55:19linuxstbIt only appears with Rockbox I believe. But it's also only been reported by one person, who has very high sensitivity headphones. With normal headphones, I doubt you could detect it, even if you tried.
14:55:19preglowlinuxstb: yeah, something like that
14:55:36B4gderfor x5 I added a #define IRAM_LCDFRAMEBUFFER IDATA_ATTR
14:55:43B4gderwhich is empty for other targets
14:55:44donkeyxoh
14:55:49preglowin codecs, we can use feature based defines. IRAM_FILTER, IRAM_HUFFMAN, etc
14:56:02donkeyxif it's only reported by one person, I think it's a bad audio file
14:56:33amiconnpreglow: Does the PP5021 have the extra iram? Afaik only the PP5022 has it, and we can't use it if we want to unify mini builds
14:56:42amiconn(which I'd rather want to)
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14:57:03preglowi don't much care about the mini anyway
14:57:12preglowas long as the newer ipods support it
14:57:15preglowthey need it more too
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14:57:33preglowamiconn: pp5021 has the extra iram, afaik
14:57:37amiconnDidn't your tests show that iram has negletible effect on PP502+ ?
14:57:47amiconn*PP5020+
14:57:50preglowyeah, mine did, but i was drunk, apparently
14:57:59preglowlinuxstb did some tests that show data in iram matters
14:58:07Mikachui enabled iram for ogg but i didn't notice any dramatic difference
14:58:16Mikachubut i didn't do any actual benchmark
14:58:35preglowamiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5226#comment7673
14:58:45preglowforget the comment thing
14:58:46preglowit's at the top
14:59:45dj-fuhey, anyone here use gentoo?
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15:00:11linuxstbamiconn: It was icode that didn't seem to make a significant difference. Data did. IIRC, pacbox even slowed down very slightly when I tried putting code in IRAM.
15:00:11amiconnI know. It seems code in iram has a slight effect. Otherwise the code should've gooten faster without -mlongcalls
15:01:01linuxstbAlthough do we use -mlongcalls in the codecs?
15:01:19amiconnStill, I wouldn't care about the extra iram on some ipods. While it is usually a good thing to tweak performance, it'll cause a shitload of ifdefing, which isn't worth the hassle imho
15:01:44linuxstbThere's the same issue on the X5 though.
15:02:07linuxstbAnd I'm sure we'll find other targets with either more or less than 96KB of IRAM.
15:02:25amiconnYes, sure, but these are completely different targets then
15:03:28preglowwhich means we'll get the ifdeffing anyway
15:03:32preglowin the very same places
15:03:56linuxstbI don't think we need #ifdefs, just defining different I???_* macros.
15:03:57preglowi've whining for more iram on coldfire too much to be able to ignore the extras here ;)
15:04:12preglowinsert "been" if inclined
15:05:18Mikachui probably don't know what i'm talking about now, but maybe the pp prefetches code so it doesn't matter much in which ram it was? i know the gba has some sort of prefetch feature for code
15:07:08preglowit would have to be very clever not to be impacted by type of ram it's reading from
15:11:55amiconnlinuxstb: How many of these I???_* macros would you want to define?
15:12:56*amiconn can imagine that this will become very hard to manage
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15:14:54B4gderI can't think of a better way to deal with different iram sizes
15:17:03linuxstbamiconn: I guess there would be one for each combination of architecture and IRAM size. So two for the ipods (maybe a third for the 3G), one for the irivers, and one for the X5.
15:17:07preglowamiconn: not overly many. we'll stick with as many of the current ones as we can, preferably in the places which impacts all platforms the most, but for some spots of lesser importance, we might want to use some IRAM_ macros
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15:17:37linuxstbBut yes, as preglow said, we would keep the existing ones in as many places as possible.
15:17:55preglowamiconn: but anyway, unless you can come up with a better solution, we argue? you can't possibly be saying we should rather not use the iram
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15:18:04preglowi'll just conclude i'm hallucinating then
15:18:11preglows/we/shy/, yes, yes
15:18:12amiconnHmm. If it would be possible to redirect sections in the linker when memory areas become full...
15:18:13preglowi suck
15:18:20linuxstbAnd also, I think we will need to use IRAM in a different way on the 3G, if that port is ever functional.
15:18:36preglowlinuxstb: how come?
15:18:48linuxstbWon't icode be more important?
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15:19:19linuxstbe.g. on the 4G and later, we would probably want to fill IRAM with data, but on the 3g, we may want a mixture of code and data.
15:19:28linuxstb(but I'm just speculating)
15:19:57preglowwhy would icode be more important? the broken cache will impact data accesses too
15:20:06preglowbut of course, there'll be more code accesses...
15:21:02linuxstbI'm just thinking that putting code in IRAM on a 3G will give a greater speedup than the same code in IRAM on the 4G. So it may be worthwhile to do it.
15:22:07preglowyup
15:22:14preglowworthy of some experimenting at any rate
15:22:21preglowif we ever get a pp5002 dev, that is
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15:23:44markunyay, we have backlight and button LED control on the gigabeat :)
15:24:31linuxstbHurray!. Now you can start debugging via morse code...
15:25:06B4gderneat!
15:25:21amiconnReminds me of my blik-byte debugging of the archos selfextractor...
15:25:26amiconn*blink-byte
15:26:53markunShonky's now trying a backlight fading with 64 steps
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15:29:27*B4gder did this very useful distributed morse-beeper at work last week
15:29:43B4gderbeeped simultaneously in three rooms
15:29:59*B4gder does useful things at work
15:30:04markunYour coworkers must have been thrilled
15:30:17B4gdersomehow they didn't see the greatness
15:30:22markun:)
15:30:28B4gder:-)
15:30:55crashdB4gder: you could set it up to play the first phrase of beethovens fifth
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15:30:58crashddi di di daahhhhh
15:30:59crashdlovely
15:31:14B4gderwith a simple buzzer, beethoven is hard
15:31:24B4gderbeeep beep beeeeep beep
15:31:48preglowadd pwm control
15:31:53crashdheh
15:32:05*scorche prefers to go with the one beep every 2 min route
15:32:21scorchepossibly 3
15:32:35scorchedepends howmuch you want to annoy them
15:40:06Jungti1234bye all
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15:48:07lamedhey guys; are we on a feature freeze due releasing 3.0?
15:48:46lamedtopic
15:48:48lamedtopic: extended freezing period suggested
15:49:01peturyups
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15:49:25lamedhehe... so iirc the last date was today, wasn't it? is there a new date?
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15:50:39B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-04/0211.shtml
15:50:46dongsi miss my ipod keyclick on scrolling/etc
15:50:53dongswas that removed for a reason?
15:51:14Genre9mp3In wps...hold-main,hold-remote and hold-both icons are only for iriver targets? Other targets only need just a single hold icon?
15:51:15LinusNdid we ever have clicking?
15:51:39dongsok, by "removed" i mean, its in apple firmware :)
15:52:27lamedtt, bagder, i just found it on irc today's log
15:54:56amiconndongs: That still doesn't mean we 'removed' it.
15:55:04amiconnIt's just not implemented yet
15:56:03Genre9mp3Which targets have remotes? irivers use the %mh and %mr tags in wps. Do these tags apply to all targets?
15:57:02amiconnMany targets have remotes, but not all. Not all remotes have hold switches (not even all platforms have hold switches)
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15:57:57Genre9mp3what about iPod targets? Do they have hold switches?
15:58:11Genre9mp3and the archos targets??
15:58:43linuxstbThe ipods have hold switches (on the main unit)
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15:59:36dongsmy ipod has hold. the UI shows a lock wehn its on. so i guess it works/implemented
15:59:46klrspzyeah hold works on ipod
15:59:51klrspzbookmarking needs a lot of work
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16:00:04Genre9mp3I'm making a wps for all targets, that's why I want to know about the hold switches...
16:00:08scorchearchos' do not have a hold switch, however, you can hold a certain button to put it into "hold" mode
16:00:32klrspzGenre9mp3, utilizing the peakmeters?
16:00:42webmindis there already a solution to the low battery crashes for the ipod ?
16:00:47dongscrashes?
16:00:49amiconnGenre9mp3: ipods have main unit hold switches. Iirc the remotes can also have hold switches, but ipod remotes aren't supported at all yet
16:01:07webminddongs, ipod nano crashes when the battery is low
16:01:11linuxstbGenre9mp3: Another difference between targets is whether or not they have a clock.
16:01:12webmindas oposed to a shutdown
16:01:30amiconnArchoses don't have hold switches, but rockbox has soft hold in the wps on archos, except Ondio
16:01:38dongswebmind: fun
16:01:42dongsi guess i havent noticed that yet
16:01:49dwihnowebmind: basically, the unit should refuse to play when the battery level is beneath N
16:01:51dongswebmind: you have a nano i guess?
16:01:56Genre9mp3So should I include a hold icon for archos wps?
16:01:57scorchewell, ya...cept ondio =P
16:02:14dongswebmind: does it charge when plugged into a dead usb port? (with only power applied)
16:02:23Genre9mp3and for iPods only for the main unit, right?
16:02:48Genre9mp3klrspz: peakmeters???
16:02:56dongs%pm i think.
16:03:00dongsbut they look damn ugly
16:03:00klrspzGenre9mp3, yeah, those bars that bounce to the beat
16:03:14klrspzi was going to try to see if you can assign images to it.. but didn't see anything in the docs
16:03:23klrspzcuz i have a great idea for them (i think anyway)
16:03:23dongsi dont think you can
16:03:29Genre9mp3klrspz: so, what about them?
16:03:30klrspzfuuck
16:03:39klrspzGenre9mp3, was just wondering if you're utilizing them in your wps
16:03:41klrspzapparently not
16:03:47Genre9mp3no, I don't
16:04:19Genre9mp3To finish this, iAudio have hold switch in the main unit?
16:04:27B4gderyes
16:04:42Genre9mp3but remote doesn't work yet, right?
16:04:54B4gderright
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16:05:42amiconnHmm, I thought remote buttons+hold do work on X5 ??
16:06:11B4gderthat I cannot tell
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16:06:25Genre9mp3Ok....so to sum up: H100/H300 - both main/remote, iPod Nano/Mini/5G - only main & Archos - only main, too
16:06:38Genre9mp3oh..and iAudio only main
16:08:39Genre9mp3Oh...and another question that just came up to my mind....since iPodcolor & iPodGrayscale use the same wpses with H300/H100, what do they do with the %mr tag? They ignore it?
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16:09:10ShonkyWe've got the backlight and button lighting working on the gigabeat via the I2C driver.
16:10:04linuxstbmarkun mentioned that earlier. Congratulations.
16:10:23ShonkySteal my thunder damn him ;)
16:10:26linuxstb"Gentlemen, we have light..."
16:10:38B4gdervery cool to read gigabeat progress
16:11:47ShonkyThe fading didn't work (at all), but I think the way we've been hacking using kernel modules isn't good for that. It was as if linux didn't like the fact the insmod took too long.
16:12:36linuxstbHave you tried compiled your own Linux kernel and installing it on the gigabeat?
16:12:42linuxstb^compiling
16:13:03ShonkyNo not yet.
16:13:41ShonkyIf we do that and it chokes, it means opening the thing up currently and doing a bit of a hot swap trick on the HD
16:14:36linuxstbSo there's no kind of emergency USB mode available before the gigabeat reads the firmware from disk?
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16:15:21ShonkyWe haven't found one, no unfortunately. It does seem a little silly that the 1 meg of flash code can't have a recovery mode that switches to USB
16:15:57ShonkyIt switches over if it can't find the files, but if the files are there it will try to run/boot them.
16:16:17linuxstbAh, so the USB code is there, it's just not very clever?
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16:19:16ShonkyQuit silly in fact. I'm sure there must be some other way....
16:20:01ShonkyWe could always attempt to add it but that means programming the flash which could easily go very wrong of course.
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16:21:47HClhello
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16:26:16Genre9mp3I need your advice on this...in my wps the code I use for the hold switch is this: "%?mh<%?mr<"holdboth"|"holdmain">|%?mr<"holdremote"|"holdnone">>"...since iPods and iAudio have remotes that aren't supported YET, should I leave this as it is or even the "holdmain" won't work for these targets?
16:27:44Genre9mp3Unfortunately I cannot test the hold-switch behavior in the Simulators...
16:29:13Genre9mp3Maybe someone with Nano or X5 (already done) willing to send him the wps and test this?
16:32:19dongsi got a nano, and the hold switch works inside iPodNano wps
16:34:30dongsGenre9mp3: ack
16:34:35dongsi cant reply to you it seems
16:34:38dongsbut yes go ahead and send
16:34:43Genre9mp3where?
16:34:52dongshere, i guess? can you dcc?
16:35:13Genre9mp3I think dcc is not allowed here in freenode...
16:35:23dongsuseless network
16:35:26B4gderyes it is
16:35:26dongstry it anyway.
16:35:43Genre9mp3B4gder: It is allowed?
16:35:47B4gdersure
16:35:52Genre9mp3ok
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16:38:38dongshm
16:38:40dongsand that failed.
16:38:41Genre9mp3dongs? Awaiting reply...
16:38:55dongsyea didnt work
16:39:51dongs^
16:39:54Genre9mp3ok
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16:41:40Genre9mp3dongs: Check your mail...and thanks
16:41:43dongsinstalling
16:41:47Genre9mp3:)
16:42:44dongsi hope its better than iPod_Nano wps
16:43:00dongs~40 sec, damn copying tiny files over usb is slowass
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16:43:59dongsok lets see
16:44:14dongswow not bad.
16:44:24Genre9mp3:)
16:44:24dongshold works
16:44:29dongsit shows "lock M"
16:44:29Genre9mp3Yeah!!!
16:44:44Genre9mp3yes....M is for "Main"
16:45:09dongsvery clean, nice.
16:45:13Genre9mp3thank you very much for testing this...
16:45:24dongscould use more color, but i guess you're probably targeting those grayscale things
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16:46:28Genre9mp3Yes...I've made some colour versions...but for H300
16:48:01Genre9mp3But these versions have album art and what I'm trying to do now, is to make a version for the CVS builds
16:48:42Genre9mp3http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=38610
16:48:42dongsi see
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16:49:01Genre9mp3^is the one with album art
16:49:34darkskiezdo the iriver H300's die as easily as the H1x0's do ?
16:49:57darkskiezGenre9mp3: Niiice
16:50:06darkskiezIts ashame the fonts dont look better.
16:50:12darkskiezfonts are hard :/
16:50:27Genre9mp3darkskiez: glad you like it...
16:50:46ashridahdarkskiez: 'die as easily'?
16:51:06darkskiezmy iriver H140 died one day for no apparent reason. I'm a little bitter.
16:51:25ashridahi've been using my H140 for 2.5 years now
16:51:31darkskiezhard disc was fine, put it in a cradle
16:51:39darkskiezbattery was charged, tested with a multimeter
16:51:41ashridahhm. well. closer to 2
16:51:44darkskiezbut the thing just didnt power on.
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16:52:04ashridahdid someone plug it into a nokia phone charger without you knowing?
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16:52:21darkskiezasridah, could have
16:53:33darkskiezasridah, i tested the charging circuitry plugging it in, power seemed to get to the right places
16:54:08darkskiezdo the H340's die instantly on phone charger connection
16:54:44ashridahdarkskiez: the power control chip apparently dutifully sacrifices itself to prevent the battery from going boom, or something ;)
16:55:21darkskiezi'd rather it was a fuse.
16:55:30darkskiezor a voltage regulator.
16:56:02ashridahi'd rather the battery just gave up
16:56:11ashridahsince that's only connected by two wires :)
16:56:14dongssilly question: how to "STOP" playback on ipod?
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16:56:34dongsi know there's pause, but how to just stop it?
16:56:40ashridahbut still, it's much preferred to having a rain of hot lithium and metal shards shower nearby people
16:58:14darkskieznokia phones just go 'Not Charging'
16:58:24darkskiezthats more sensible
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16:59:23amiconnThe irivers don't have a protection circuit against reversed polarity for the electronics
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16:59:40darkskiezeven the latest ones
16:59:41amiconnThe battery is protected, but connecting a nokia charger most likely kills the cpu
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17:00:19amiconnKilling a H300 this way is less likely, they have a different (larger) dc socket than H1x0s
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17:05:35pjotorhello can u tell me how can u get themes for my ipod mini 2G?
17:06:10dongsyou can download some.
17:06:13dongsfrom the wiki.
17:07:15pjotorcan u send me a link a was trying to find somthing :-<<
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17:08:38bluebrotherlook for "wiki" on the website, then "WpsGallery".
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17:09:48dongshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
17:09:51pjotoroh thanx, i got it :-> have a nice day
17:10:05pjotorthanx for your help
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17:13:36*petur suffers ISO9000 fever
17:13:52peturexternal audit tomorrow :(
17:14:29noapetur, I hope it will be a meaningful experience for you :)
17:14:41dwihnoISO9660 audit?
17:15:11peturpfff 9001 I think
17:17:33amiconndwihno: Auditing CD-ROMs? ;)
17:18:24dwihnoamiconn: well of course :D
17:18:53dj-fuhey guys, random question
17:18:55dj-fudistro of choice?
17:19:08ashridahthere's a choice? :)
17:19:24dj-fudo tell? :]
17:19:32B4gderif the question is random, should the answer be that too?
17:19:46dj-furandom as on not on topic of rockbox whatsoever
17:19:59*B4gder runs debian
17:20:07*ashridah runs debian. twice.
17:20:13dj-fuI was running dapper drake up until today
17:20:17dj-fufelt brave and installed gentoo
17:20:33dj-fuand here I am, in a vtty with irsi
17:20:34dj-fu+s
17:20:48dj-fuit's.. interesting, i'll give it that
17:20:58dj-fubtw, I LOVE whoever optimised libmad
17:21:23*dongs runs windows xp professional SP2
17:21:28dj-fulol
17:21:30*linuxstb runs debian thrice, plus xebian
17:21:36dj-fuso do I, multiboot, but don't tell anyone ;]
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17:22:30tucozremember that negerpunk thread on the ml?
17:22:37linuxstbFondly...
17:22:55B4gderoh yes
17:23:01tucozjust ran strings on the mp3/mp4-player fw. Guess what I found :D
17:23:06B4gderhaha
17:23:14linuxstb:)
17:23:14*dwihno runs Slackware 10.2 (will probably try arch out in a month or two)
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17:23:51B4gderthen you must've gotten another image than I got
17:24:24*linuxstb was thinking the same...
17:24:28tucozhmm, I downloaded the english/chinese hi-x6 v1.97h
17:24:31tucozimage
17:24:34linuxstbI got 2005915105226477.rar
17:24:37B4gderls -l superbox.bin
17:24:37B4gder-rw-r−−r−− 1 daniel daniel 870752 Jul 25 2005 superbox.bin
17:24:51tucozhttp://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ericwong/x6v194.rar
17:25:01B4gderyeah, that's a different one
17:25:06tucozah, another player?
17:25:27linuxstbYes, I think there are two different players, with different telechips CPUs.
17:25:44tucozStill funny :)
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17:26:19tucozwould be interesting to see that port. The players are not that expensive, right?
17:26:24amiconnTelechips is calrisc, right?
17:26:25Mikachuis it an official genre in the id3 standard?
17:26:27amiconn*calmrisc
17:26:33B4gderamiconn: no they have ARM based ones
17:26:34linuxstbamiconn: These ones are ARM.
17:26:45linuxstbe.g. http://www.telechips.com/product/product_mp3_tcc72x.htm
17:27:13amiconnHmm, I thought they could be calmrsic (tcc730 - gmini 1x0 - is)
17:27:29B4gderit seems they abandoned that horrid arch ;-)
17:27:36Mikachuah, winamp extension
17:27:55Mikachuisn't negerpunk swedish?
17:27:56tucozMikachu, check out the thread Re: rasher id3.c.. http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2005-09/
17:28:01Mikachuyeah i found it
17:28:11Mikachuor maybe i clicked a link
17:28:37amiconn64K iram,, ick
17:28:41Mikachuno CS gangsta rap?
17:29:23linuxstbThey also have an on-board DAC - so "single core" by the definition given earler today...
17:29:23B4gderamiconn: but ARM9 based
17:29:51amiconnShould that tell me something?
17:29:54amiconn120 MHz
17:30:04B4gder~30% faster at same clock as ARM7
17:30:06*amiconn is an arm asm rookie
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17:31:08linuxstbDoes the arm940tdmi have instructions not available on the arm7tdmi?
17:31:18B4gderI don't think so
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17:40:24amiconnThese players have strange specs...
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17:41:42Mikachuthat thread is tons of amusement
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17:47:28dwihnoanyone of you guys ever tested a 17" screen laptop?
17:47:43goffadwihno: as in used?
17:47:53goffathey are good.. but too heavy
17:48:01goffai prefer 15.4"
17:49:08Mikachuaren't genres saved as freeform strings in id3v2?
17:49:11dwihnogoffa: I'm using a 15.1" since a couple of years back... The time has come to switch, and I would really, really enjoy a bigger screen as well :)
17:49:21dwihnogoffa: no matter the heavyness... as long as they aren't too big.
17:49:26dwihno(as in thick)
17:49:45amiconnMikachu: Yes, but id3v1 uses a predefied set of numbers
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17:50:10Mikachui thought i saw someone talk about "id3v2.3 removed genres 79-143" or whatever
17:51:17nudelynsome programs write id3v2 genres like "(24)" (the string, not the number) which means look up 24 (which is "rock") in the id3v1 spec...
17:51:18goffathey are fairly thick
17:51:30goffaand if you do get one always open it from the center
17:52:03nudelynTHere's other madness like having 24 in hex, then a null, then an optional string (in a supposedly string field), or "(24) Cock" which would be turned into "Rock" in some cases and "Rock Cock" in others...
17:52:06nudelynit's a mess.
17:52:06goffamy friend cracked his screen by opening it from the rigt side
17:52:30goffaits probably 1.5 inches thick...
17:52:30Mikachunudelyn: heh ,okay
17:52:58goffa15.4" makes things seem bigger because of the wide aspect ratio
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17:53:17goffaif you don't have to move the machine 17" is ok
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17:55:08dwihnogoffa: scary stuff... :/
17:55:33goffayeah... he's fighting with toshiba right now on the warranty
17:55:37dwihnogoffa: I'm used to 1600x1200 on this screen, so the same resolution on a bigger display might be nice for me old eyes ;D
17:55:48goffai hear that
17:56:18dongshm
17:56:46goffautimately its up to you, but the 6 people i know that got the 17 love the screen... just hate moving the thing
17:57:00goffaone idea would be to get a 15.4 and a 19" lcd
17:57:04goffafor when you are at home
17:57:55Mikachuthe swedish word for laptop is 'carriable computer'
17:57:57dwihnoI'm always on the move nowadays :)
17:58:19dwihnoI guess 15.4" is still an increase from 15.1"
17:58:45goffayeah slight increase
17:58:52goffait does feel bigger though
17:59:05dwihnoI can never ever go back to a 1280x1024 (or similar) resolution...
17:59:06goffai have one at home.. i'm on a 15.1 here at work..
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17:59:33dwihnoHigh resolutions are so good when it comes to working with multiple things at once.
17:59:38goffayep
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18:00:14goffaat home my desktop is 3840x2400 :)
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18:00:24goffa2 24" dell flat screens
18:00:43goffai love it
18:01:13dwihnoYou work with DTP?
18:01:14goffaon the laptop i utilize virtual desktops more
18:01:33goffanope
18:01:43B4gderbloody traffic
18:01:47goffanot much anyway
18:01:49dongswoot
18:01:56*B4gder decided to work a while longer due to the jams outside
18:02:16muesli__traffic jam in sweden?
18:02:20*goffa doesn't have to worry about traffic here
18:02:23*dwihno fetches B4gder another cup of java...
18:02:47dwihnoRush hour in the Stockholm area drives you mad.
18:03:16goffarush hour in scobey, mt lasts about 5 mins from 5 to 5:05 ... he he he
18:03:54goffathere's >1000 people here though
18:05:17lostlogicwe don't have rush hour in chicago any more. In the summer, you need only ask yourself "Is the sun up?" to answer the question "Is there a phenomenal amount of traffic?"
18:05:41goffayeah... i don't envy you people
18:05:54lostlogicfortunately I bicycle or skate everywhere, so I don't hafta deal with it.
18:06:21goffai don't miss waiting an hour to get a seat when i go out to eat
18:08:10dwihnotoo bad all laptop builders of today insist on using touch pads instead of that pin between g, h and b
18:08:14dongsholding "press/pause" on nano for 2 seconds = sometimes random lockup
18:08:17goffai do miss 24 hour stores though
18:08:29goffadwihno: look at lenovo
18:08:34lostlogicdwihno: lenovo still makes think pads with both
18:08:34goffathey have the nipple
18:08:34lostlogicwhich I <3
18:08:39dongstoshiba too
18:08:45goffayeah.. some toshibas
18:08:57goffacertain tecras(toshiba)
18:09:08lostlogicdongs: ie stopping music sometimes locks up?
18:09:11goffai'd rather have the pad any day :)
18:09:11dwihnotoo bad they won't let you configure your lapotop :/
18:09:15dongslostlogic: i suppose so
18:09:39lostlogicdongs: does this happen when voice is playing? How about does it happen if you do it _right after_ starting music, or skipping tracks? What defines sometimes is what I'm getting at here.
18:10:06goffai was thinking they should invent a mouse that had 2 silocon bases... each with a nipple... you know.. for perverts :)
18:10:42dongssometimes = i've had it lockup enough times to notiec its not just something random. lemme see if I can pin it down to when it happens.
18:10:52lostlogicty
18:11:08lostlogicmake sure to get my attention when you narrow it dwon.
18:11:09lostlogicdown
18:11:25dongsi gotta take a pic of this new font first
18:11:28dongsits making me hard
18:12:56hardeeplostlogic: i know the reason for the auto change directory problem reported on the wiki page but i'm not sure the best location to fix it...
18:13:07hardeepplaylist_end is not being reset when we automatically skip
18:15:40Genre9mp3lostlogic: I did a battery bench test and let my h340 emprty at night...I then charged it with the original firmware..it took 3hours for a full charge! Now, I'm having a second battery bench and when the battery empties again, I'll charge the unit with rockbox firmware to see if it's faster or slower.
18:16:31dongsdoes anyone have a mp3 tagged with korean unicode chars?
18:16:35dongs(or how can I make one)
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18:17:01lostlogicGenre9mp3: cool!
18:17:28lostlogichardeep: ahh, perhaps another thing for the track changed callback to check the current playlist status?
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18:17:57preglowthere's a blue sky now!
18:18:27dongsrockbox works with non-unicode id3s by using codepage, right?
18:18:32hardeeplostlogic: that's what I was thinking but i don't know the interaction of the threads too well
18:19:02Genre9mp3dongs: I was able to tag an mp3 with japanese charavters using mp3tag, then I used unifont to read them in the wps
18:19:26dongshm this spectacularly failed.
18:19:37lostlogichardeep: can you post what you just said on the wiki so I don't forget it, and I'll work on that and the near-end-of-playlist resume information saving? (UNless you've already started on the resume saving)
18:19:40dongso wait i know how to test the font.
18:19:53hardeeplostlogic: i'll post on the wiki
18:20:02hardeepregarding the resume information, see my last commit =)
18:20:07hardeepit appears to be working correctly now
18:20:16dongsok ya korean portion of hte font totally failed to load
18:20:32dongsthat would explain empty filenames.
18:20:47Genre9mp3dongs: Mind that not all tag editors support unicode characters
18:20:54dongsi ont even hae a tag editor
18:21:04dongsso thats hte least of my worries
18:21:25Genre9mp3wait, you want korean at the filenames???
18:21:32lostlogichardeep: hmm, yeah, that would work indeed. Only on an error condition would stop_codec be set not at the end of the playlist, and then it's probably best not to save the position any way.
18:22:55Genre9mp3I thought you were talkin about the tags
18:23:35dongswell i want it either way. but my font failed to include korean range for some reason.
18:23:38dongsso i gotta look into it.
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18:27:54dongshuh. no wonder. it totally missed the hangul range. hmm
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18:32:28dongsyay.
18:32:30dongsworks
18:32:35Mikachulinuxstb: would it be possible to boost/unboost the cpu in pacbox' fps limiter? i don't have any idea about the timescales involved
18:32:58dongsbut id3 tags are still failed
18:33:11dongsthough thats none of my business.
18:33:11Mikachugood thing that's the least of your worries
18:33:24Mikachuheh
18:33:37Genre9mp3dongs: how you tag your mp3s?
18:33:41webminddongs, I have a nano, and don't know if it charges.. but I don't have a dead usb port
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18:33:57dongswebmind: by "dead" i mean, a port that only provides power (liek when your PCi s off)
18:34:14dongs(such as most onboard usb ports in desktops)
18:34:20webmindwhen my PC is off there is no power on USB?
18:34:20dongsreally?
18:34:38leftlol
18:34:53dongshave you confirmed that? because all my PCs the backpanel usb ports are powered when its off
18:36:32webminddongs, I'll check it when I'm home then
18:36:37Genre9mp3left: It's funny whenever you leave the channel....I get this: left has left #rockbox... :)
18:36:42webmindI'm now not at my pc and don't carry my nano
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18:36:54leftGenre9mp3 what a news :P
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18:36:59dongswebmind: well i was just wondering in general.
18:37:09sparkeater /nick right
18:37:13dongsdoes it charge anytime there's a usb connection, or only like when its off/etc
18:37:25Genre9mp3left: Well, yes...I suppose that's intentional! :-P
18:37:25leftand more funny it's that it's the second time that I came here :I
18:37:38dongshow can i take screenshot on my nano?
18:37:46dongsi saw somethign in debug
18:37:53leftso you're supposed to have seen me left like...yesterday? :P
18:37:53dongsany better explanation of how its done?
18:38:04Genre9mp3left: I saw you leaving yesterday night...
18:38:17Mikachu00:23:47 -!- left [n=left@62.48.110.17] has left #rockbox []
18:38:39leftlool
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18:42:02webminddongs, I'll inform you later
18:43:23dongssounds good thanks
18:43:35dongsi think i finally got a good shot of this font
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18:47:51dongsfinally -> http://pbx.mine.nu/01010016.JPG
18:48:10GargamaleI have to compile a patch to use album art on my WPS, right?
18:48:33Mikachumore or less
18:48:49Mikachudongs: you know about the simulator?
18:49:01dongsi run Windows XP professional SP2, sir.
18:49:10GargamaleSame
18:49:14dongstherefore the simulator does not apply to me to the best of my knowledge.
18:49:32Mikachuthat's incorrect, but it would require some fiddling i guess
18:50:04dongsi'd rather have someone spend a few days making rockbox build with ADS/RVCT than getting emulator working under some cygwin hack.
18:50:20Mikachuyou would only need cygwin to compile it
18:50:33Mikachuif someone compiled it you'd only need the .exe and SDL.dll
18:50:39Mikachui think
18:50:56Mikachumaybe it needs cygwin too after all
18:50:58dongstrue but still
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18:57:27XavierGrlostlogic: did you saw/listen my mail?
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19:19:25changSuccessful install on a recent French Ipod Nano
19:19:34changiTunes s*ckz
19:19:51changRockbox rulez :)
19:19:55Mikachui think you're allowed to say suck
19:20:33dongsagreed
19:20:37changall my players are running rockbox
19:20:45dongsthe only thing i miss is the clicky sound
19:20:53dongsfrom the apple version.
19:20:55changlol
19:21:05changlet's do a patch ;)
19:21:13scott666_there already is one
19:21:23changok, nice
19:21:36changbut i don't miss the clicky sound anyway
19:21:56changok, i have to do my physics homeworks btw ;)
19:22:02changso ... see you guys
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19:22:49darklesslostlogic: Hey! I found out which changeset in which daily that caused the seeking problems for me
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19:23:19Nebbhi
19:23:49darklesslostlogic: http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060424.html (the topmost 22:54 commit)
19:24:10Nebbdoes anyone know if it's possible to multiplayer on rockdoom?
19:24:13darklesslostlogic: you need to have crossfade enabled for it to show up
19:25:58dongsheh
19:27:11BHSPitMonkeyNebb: hehe
19:27:34BHSPitMonkeysomeone write up a comm. protocol for each player
19:27:44Mikachuyou can make it turn based
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19:31:40dongshm lets see if this works in proportional mode
19:32:14NebbI was thinking you could have a PC as a central server, and the ipods connected through USB
19:32:35Mikachuusb isn't supported on ipods yet
19:32:39dongshm, it does
19:32:41dongsto a point
19:32:43dongsneat
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19:52:37dongshoho.
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19:52:41dongsfixed proportional font too
19:53:17peturfixed proportional?
19:53:28dongsfixes as in, got it working.
19:53:35dongs-s+d
19:53:52peturah
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20:00:55lostlogichardeep: the playlist_check() you just added to initiate track change is a little bit hackish, but I don't have a better solution to the problems it prevents.
20:02:48hardeeplostlogic: that's how we do it on archos
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20:09:48XavierGrhey rockbox on Cnet and digg! :D
20:09:49XavierGrhttp://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6450_7-6513844-1.html?tag=cnetfd.sd
20:14:38XavierGr1400 hits wow
20:15:31dongs1400 hits to wat?
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20:15:47XavierGr1400 digg hits
20:15:59dongso
20:18:08blindon the horn with apple tech support.
20:18:17blindim going to refrain from telling them i installed rockbox.
20:18:18blindheh >_>
20:18:28XavierGryes
20:18:32XavierGrdon't mention rockbox
20:18:41blind"do you have any anti-virus software?"
20:18:54XavierGrand if you send it for RMA remove rockbox from it.
20:19:02blind"well.. the chances i'll get a virus are extremely minimal"
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20:19:46dongswhy would you be calling apple support anyway.
20:20:16dongsdid you brick it by installing lunix?
20:20:22blindno.
20:20:25blindrockbox.
20:20:31dongslol.
20:20:41blindit was working fine... and then i turned it off.. went to turn it back on, and sad ipod icon
20:20:45dongsand 6-second holding of buttons to reboot fales?
20:20:46dongsoh
20:20:54blindtried disc mode, won't boot into it.
20:21:00blindtried charging it for 8+ hours
20:21:22dongsi guess failure is in progress :(
20:21:28blindXavierGr, I am sending it in, but I can't remove rockbox.
20:22:32XavierGrbugger
20:22:37blindbut it makes no sense, it's gotta be a hardware issue
20:22:56blindit was running, just fine. power cycle, stops working.
20:23:08blindnot rockbox's fault, not my fault. right?
20:23:16XavierGryes nut if the technician boot it up and see the rockbox logo, most probably he will ask for money
20:23:34blindif he boots up and sees the rockbox logo, i want him to send it back to be :)
20:23:37blindme*
20:23:38dongsthey'll ask for money to send it back broken
20:23:45dongs(if they see rockbox logo)
20:23:55blindif he gets it to boot up, i'll give him a kiss.
20:24:34blindthis is actually my second ipod with an issue like this
20:24:39blindand the first one had linux on it.
20:24:45blindand they sent me a brand new one.
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20:25:00dongsi think the problem is clearly lunix.
20:25:03blindso im feeling pretty optimistic.
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20:25:15blindi didn't have linux on this one, dongs.
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20:27:12dongsthat doesnt actually matter. it pre-emptively ruined it
20:27:27blindI wasn't planning on putting it on there, either
20:27:49blindnow im on the horn with human relations, trying to get the s&h charge waived.
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20:31:32hardeeplostlogic: another bug added to the wiki based on a report in the forums
20:31:45hardeepwe're crossfading a new playlist if the current one is paused
20:31:50hardeeper, even if
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20:35:17*preglow blinks at the new eq feature request
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20:40:10dongsheh i get a "dead battery" grayscale icon sometimes when unplugging ipod nano from usb after copying stuff over - is this normal?
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20:40:17dongs(it requires 6 second reset to fix)
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20:48:39lowlightpreglow: did you see my patch to fix gapless mp3 after seeking? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5200
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20:48:56preglowyeah, i saw it
20:49:05preglowhaven't looked at it yet, though
20:49:10preglownice excuse to support apev2, i suppose :)
20:50:10lowlightor an excuse to make people get rid of ape tags on mp3s
20:50:25dongsdeath to tags
20:50:55blindhaha score.
20:51:03blindno shipping and handling fee :D
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20:52:20dongsnow i wanna try to use freetype rendering.. hm whats a weird language taht uses non-roman glyphs?
20:53:03crashdrussian
20:53:21dongshm thats a good idea
20:53:53preglowlowlight: your patch is full of dos newlines, btw
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20:56:14lowlightpreglow: sorry...forgot to run dos2unix
20:57:43crashddongs: im full of them
20:57:49dongshm?
20:57:57dongsah
20:57:58dongsgood ideas.
20:57:59dongsright.
20:58:03crashd:)
20:58:19dongstahoma should have cyrillic glyphs.
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21:02:40dongshm. lol.
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21:04:44dongsi think the 'russian' language file is fucked.
21:04:49dongsit just goes back to english.
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21:06:36dongsso much for that idea
21:08:24peturyou're right, there's something wrong with russian
21:09:11dongsdo ou know whats wrong so i can test it?
21:09:32dongsor i guess it doesnt matter ill pick greek or some other random thing
21:09:52preglowlowlight: but yeah, neat little patch
21:09:56preglowlowlight: you tested it good?
21:11:23peturdongs: submit the bug to the tracker so that it isn't forgotten
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21:26:42lowlightpreglow: It didn't seem to break anything, but no I haven't tested it extensively.
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21:31:40preglowlowlight: we should try to fit it in before 3.0, though
21:33:48klrspz[13:42] <dongs> heh i get a "dead battery" grayscale icon sometimes when unplugging ipod nano from usb after copying stuff over - is this normal?
21:33:49klrspzyes
21:33:52klrspzi get that too
21:34:05dongshm
21:34:14dongsany idea what causes it?
21:34:17dongsthe battery is obviously not dead
21:34:19Learlowlight: I wonder if stop_skip can be larger than a frame though...
21:34:32klrspzno clue.. it doesn't always do it for me, but probably about 30-40% of the time
21:34:38klrspzbookmarks suck on the ipod too
21:35:13klrspzonly about 1/8 of the functionality is working and the rest either works but the user interaction part sucks, or isn't clear... but i think that's something they're working on
21:35:27klrspzoh and crossfading hardly ever works
21:35:45dongsi noticed that. i turned it on and it didnt do shit, but i didnt reall care so i turned it back of.
21:35:47klrspzother than that, i can't wait for a new EQ.. then i'll be fully happy with RB :)
21:36:44dongswhats wrong with the current EQ? not that i use it either way
21:37:08klrspzit's not very clean
21:37:15klrspzand it's not a typical setup
21:37:27klrspza lot of distortion in it
21:38:14lowlightLear: I think I checked how foobar does it and it was limited to two frames, but I can double check.
21:38:55dongshow to stop reading id3 tags?
21:39:05dongsit shows mp3 name then covers it with non-existent id3 tag
21:39:07dongsfucking hate that
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21:41:05Learklrspz: distortion? not that I've noticed anyway... Or do you mean you get clipping, due to no pre-cut?
21:41:51klrspzLear, i don' tknow.. i'm not an insane audiophile with those skills.. but i do know when i mess with something like winamp or xmms, the eq is easy to manipulate and sounds good... you don't get the same UI or feedback from RB
21:42:17preglowklrspz: it should be pretty much exactly the same
21:42:31preglowklrspz: you have precut and gain for each band in winamp as well, just as we have
21:42:37preglowklrspz: only difference is that ours is more flexible
21:42:54sharpeword.
21:43:51Febsklrspz, have you read the documentation in the manual about how the EQ works?
21:44:00klrspzit just doesn't feel intuitive
21:44:09klrspzmmm i have to admit no ihaven't
21:44:11nobeliumamiconn, alive?
21:44:15thegeekbecause it's much easier to manipulate sliders with a mouse
21:44:19preglowthe sliders aren't upright, no, i admit to that, but it really is the same thing
21:44:27preglowit should sound bad just like winamp's will sound bad if you gain too much with no precut
21:44:42FebsPerhaps you should read the documentation so that you understand what is happening in the EQ.
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21:45:10klrspzpreglow, is the precut PER band?
21:45:25Mikachuthat wouldn't make any sense
21:46:13nobeliumi know rockbox functions as a big crew, but is there anyone with a special higher rank I can interview?
21:46:16FebsPrecut is an overall gain boost/reduction that you can use to compensate for the boost/reduction in gain that you are applying through the 5 eq bands.
21:46:19preglowklrspz: it doesn't matter, if it were, then it would obviously apply the same for all bands
21:46:26preglowand that would be the same as one precut before all the bands
21:46:29preglowwhich is what we do now
21:46:54preglownobelium: the swedes usually get interviewed ;)
21:47:03nobeliumLike Jens :)?
21:47:06preglownobelium: LinusN, Bagder and Zagor
21:47:11preglowjens is german, heh
21:47:19nobeliumoops =)
21:47:24nobeliumsounds like a swedish name to me :P
21:47:26nobeliumthank you
21:47:35preglownobelium: yeah, it is a swedish/norwegian name
21:48:59preglownobelium: you can of course interview whoever you want, it depends what you want out of the interview. those people started the projects, so've probable got a greater historical project
21:49:01lostlogicBagder can't be Swedish... he's named Daniel. :-D
21:49:14nobeliumexactly
21:49:19preglowehh
21:49:23preglows/project/perspective/
21:49:28preglowi'm on the beer again
21:50:04nobeliumI want to project rockbox on a big news site...and I'd like to interview the starters of the project
21:50:16preglowthen they're who you want
21:50:19nobeliumwith a retrospective view
21:50:30nobeliumalso announcing the 3.0 version that is coming out
21:50:36preglowwe hope :>
21:50:44nobeliumwe all do =)
21:51:26nobeliumhopefully, the interview will have a good impact on the project
21:51:36nobeliumand I feel it deserves at least that :)
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21:52:04nobeliumbrb..dinner
21:52:09peturthat's nobel of you ;)
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21:52:46sharpei wonder when i should get back to work on the emulator..
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21:53:49lostlogicpreglow: when you say "on the beer again" do you mean that you're sitting on a keg? :)
21:54:24preglowlostlogic: i wish
21:54:32goffahow was the trip lostlogic?
21:54:42peturhe can't be drunk from Norwegian beer, it's got no alcohol
21:54:48lostlogicgoffa: fantabulastic −− details and pics linked from http://lostlogicx.com if you care ;)
21:54:52preglowpetur: 6.5% is something, at least
21:54:52goffacool
21:55:16peturpreglow: does it?
21:55:22preglowpetur: does it what?
21:55:29goffaus beer is probably more watered down than norways
21:55:40peturhave 6.5%
21:55:45preglowpetur: yes
21:55:51preglowthe max strength of beer you find in the shops is 4.7%
21:56:02Mikachuaren't there 3 different types usually?
21:56:02preglowthis particular beer i bought in the national strong beer/wine/liquor store, however
21:56:08preglowsince that's where the tasty beers are to be found anyway
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21:56:25peturmust have cost big money
21:56:29preglowpetur: yes...
21:56:44preglowi have been known to dole out big cash on beer
21:57:39Mikachuyou can give the money to me and stop drinking, two birds with one stone
21:57:48preglownow for my last one, a 5.3% american affair
21:57:55preglowMikachu: that doesn't taste nearly as good!
21:58:27goffanice pics
21:58:53preglowamerican beer > *
22:00
22:01:23sharpeso it's greater than itself?
22:01:36*goffa doesn't drink
22:01:43goffaprobably means better than nothin :)
22:01:47preglowamerican beer >= *
22:01:49preglow:)
22:02:02sharpethen it'd be american beer > NULL
22:02:13Mikachuamerican beer > *~american\ beer
22:02:15goffayep.. better'n nothin'
22:02:30sharpeah, the wonders of bitwise operations
22:02:41preglowi should've done it in regex, obviously
22:02:48Mikachuthat's not really a bitwise operation, it's zsh globbing :)
22:02:56sharpemeh
22:02:58preglowzsh is great
22:02:58sharpe~ is
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22:03:15Mikachuof course, redirecting american beer to everything except itself doesn't make much sense
22:03:57sharpeso it's... (american beer > all & (! american beer))
22:04:02preglowyou need to stop listening to me
22:04:07preglowthis isn't meaningful conversation at all
22:04:24goffaamerican beer < horse piss?
22:04:51muesli__yepp
22:04:57Mikachusharpe: i don't think bitwise and with a logical expression is the way to go
22:05:06muesli__becks rulez the world :o
22:05:12sharpeMikachu: it works
22:05:16preglowafter having tasted a couple of nice india pale ales, i can't mention american beer and horse piss in the same sentence anymore
22:05:19preglowexcept right now
22:05:45goffai've been told corona is like american beer filtered through a mexican
22:05:46muesli__preglow indian beer?
22:05:49MikachuMALLOC BARF
22:05:50Mikachuhooray!
22:06:13preglowmuesli__: no, it's just a name for a beer style with lots of hops
22:06:13goffamaybe indian beer is american beer filtered through an indian :)
22:06:25muesli__loll
22:06:38muesli__ill be in india on monday
22:06:46muesli__hope they have beer over there :o
22:07:10*Mikachu changes get_audio_buffer to get_buffer
22:07:17*Mikachu shifty eyes
22:07:27*muesli__ fills his buffer with beer ;-p
22:07:52preglowi like that ubuntu's got a gparted so old it can't be used for its main purpose
22:08:01*preglow grumbles and burns a gparted cd
22:09:14Mikachuthat worked better
22:09:16 Quit Nebb ()
22:09:44*Mikachu points out the midi plugin detects when it runs out of memory then goes ahead and hard locks anyway
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22:12:24preglowhahah
22:12:26preglowtacts
22:12:55*Mikachu rocks out to crappysounding midi
22:14:25preglowwhat you need now is sid files
22:14:31preglowfor proper rocking out
22:14:42Mikachu"i don't want to patch rockbox"
22:14:53peturwhat's the key combo for LCD offset in the archos sim?
22:15:07sharpei feel like i'm being thought of when someone mentions sid, just beacause i'm working on the c64 emulator. even though i know there is a codec for it.
22:15:24amiconnpetur: LCD offset?
22:15:38peturplay+right on h300
22:15:39midkaysharpe, it's alright, no need to worry, nobody cares about you. ;)
22:15:53sharpethanks. makes me feel sooo much better.
22:15:55amiconnAh, you mean that odd screen scroll...
22:15:56Mikachusharpe: did twisted` reach you?
22:16:00sharpeyes, he did
22:16:03Mikachuokay
22:16:05peturyes
22:16:07amiconnOn+Right/Left
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22:16:16peturwhat's on in the sim?
22:16:32*amiconn checks uisimulatr/sdl/button.c
22:16:37nayrhelp?
22:16:45*petur admits he's lazy
22:17:20amiconnShould be the same as for H300
22:17:23nayrI have a mac, and when I tried to convert it to MS-DOS fs, it only gave me 3.7 gigs of space
22:17:31nayron my 5.7 gig ipof mini 2g
22:17:35nayripd*
22:17:43peturhehe, I tried h300 on target :D
22:17:43nayripod*, damnit
22:17:46sharpemmm... convert?
22:18:11Mikachunayr: maybe you did something wrong
22:18:24nayrprobably :)
22:18:25peturaha '+' + left
22:18:29sharpeer, what color is lime?
22:18:35Mikachugreenish yellow i think
22:18:45sharpe'kay...
22:18:46nayris there anyway to partition the ipod myself?
22:18:59nayrI just need to know the sized, and i'll just use diskutil
22:19:18nayrahh
22:19:21nayrI see the problem
22:19:38nayrhow can I get a 6-gig partition table for the 2g mini?
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22:20:32nayr?
22:20:36Mikachuis the midi plugin person on irc?
22:20:44preglowsometimes
22:20:46preglowit's stevenm
22:20:59Mikachuah
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22:21:17Mikachui had to halve the tempo
22:21:43Mikachuheh this file is still way too fast
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22:22:01Mikachubut most files sound correct with the change
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22:22:42nayrany mac users here?
22:23:16nayrno?
22:23:51nayrdamn.
22:24:25zigfordnot i
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22:25:41XavierGrlostlogic: are you here?
22:26:10lostlogicXavierGr: not really, didn't get a chance to look at your samples yesterday
22:26:27XavierGrok just asking
22:27:02lostlogicsorry, still kinda catching back up with the real world after my forray into the dream world that is internet-less travelspace.
22:27:32XavierGrnp
22:27:38peturI need to increase language_buffer[] - how much shall I add?
22:27:54peturit's 14000 atm
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22:29:16Romanos_ByzantinHi guys! I'm new around here. Any chance i can get rockboy for nano? looooool
22:29:42linuxstbnayr: If you've copied the partition table from a smaller ipod, you should be able to use fdisk to delete the FAT32 partition, and then recreate it to fill the entire disk.
22:29:43midkaymy frickin' god, that gets funnier every time.
22:29:49midkaylike right now. i'm totally dying of laughter.
22:30:01linuxstbnayr: Otherwise, you'll have to try and find someone with a 6GB mini to donate their partition table to you.
22:30:09midkaytake me to the hospital. please. i'm going to suffocate from laughing *so* hard.
22:30:18linuxstb(or find a Windows PC to run the Apple Restore program on).
22:30:21Romanos_Byzantinare u greek?
22:30:36Romanos_Byzantinthat's exactly the sarcastic sense of humour we got..
22:30:43peturmost here are geek
22:30:48midkayi'm not, sorry.
22:30:56Romanos_Byzantinwell, i don't like it.. especially when it's deliberate..
22:32:18midkaydon't like what? my sarcasm?
22:32:36Romanos_Byzantinnah.. forget about it
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22:33:07preglowahaha
22:33:09XavierGr:)
22:33:15midkayyay, he's gone.
22:33:16XavierGrwhat an anoyance
22:33:17*midkay bows.
22:33:17midkay;)
22:33:27midkaywe should start a contest..
22:33:34midkaywhoever can get rid of him in the fewest lines each day ;)
22:33:37preglowtime for some crazy-ass ntfs partition resizing
22:33:47XavierGrhahaha
22:33:53XavierGrmidkay:great idea
22:33:57midkaypreglow, that's bananas! how large are the partitions?
22:34:01midkay:)
22:34:10preglowhumongous!
22:34:12preglowbrb
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22:34:32XavierGro knows....
22:34:37XavierGrI mean
22:34:40XavierGroh noes
22:34:41midkayit's XavierGr's turn!
22:34:41midkay;)
22:34:45XavierGrLOL
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22:35:38RomanosByzantinedamn.. why the char limit?
22:35:41RomanosByzantine:)
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22:37:27midkayha. that sarcasm kills me.
22:37:38synth7im glad this chan is on freenode, didnt feel like adding another network to my list
22:37:44RomanosByzantinereally? i thought it was smoking
22:37:59RomanosByzantine:P
22:39:38peturany objections I increase the language buffer from 14000 to 16000?
22:39:52midkayum. yes. i want that 2kb.
22:40:02goffaugh... snowing again
22:40:04midkaythat could result in several seconds more playback.
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22:40:14Mikachuusing sid?
22:40:32midkayhm.
22:40:34midkayi suppose.
22:40:40RomanosByzantinegoffa where?
22:40:54goffamontana
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22:41:08RomanosByzantine:P where's that? canada?
22:41:17goffausa
22:41:32RomanosByzantinein the northern area i assume..
22:41:34goffabordering canada.. under saskatchewan and alberta
22:41:46goffayeah
22:41:48RomanosByzantinenice
22:41:52goffanot typical for it to be snowing in may
22:41:55goffabut it happens
22:42:04RomanosByzantinesounds cool though
22:42:16RomanosByzantinego snowboard with your rockboxed pda
22:42:18goffayeah... about 40 here
22:42:21goffait wont stick around long
22:42:32RomanosByzantine:P
22:42:35goffaits not sticking luckily
22:42:42goffano mountains on this side of the state
22:42:45goffarolling hills
22:42:55Mikachugo lollerskating
22:43:00RomanosByzantine:)
22:43:02goffahe he he
22:43:08midkayhaha.
22:43:14RomanosByzantinewho's life there?
22:43:15goffacould do that... if i was coordinated enough
22:43:16peturamiconn?
22:43:18RomanosByzantinehow's
22:43:24leftf
22:43:28goffagood here.. .laid back
22:43:37RomanosByzantinerelax...
22:43:53goffai'd like to be not at work.. but with it snowing i guess i don't care much
22:44:12goffagot a new player coming tomorrow... h140
22:44:21RomanosByzantinesweet
22:44:29goffashould compliment my x5l nicely
22:44:55goffaprice was right.. $200 on ebay
22:45:13RomanosByzantineused?
22:45:20goffasaid new in box
22:45:34RomanosByzantinehow much they retail?
22:45:43goffadunno.. let me look
22:45:43*XavierGr remembers that he has to sell a brand new H115
22:46:12RomanosByzantinehere's your chance then xavier.. send it up to canada lol
22:46:26goffahard to find
22:46:34RomanosByzantinenevermind
22:46:35goffabut $441-500 on froogle
22:46:40goffanot worth that
22:46:41RomanosByzantinewow
22:46:54goffabut i think that's because its discontinued
22:47:10RomanosByzantinei'm just stuck up with my nano... why is everybody hates nano on here btw?
22:47:13goffabut hey.. with rockbox firmware is still in development :)
22:47:26goffafor me.. storage
22:47:30 Part noa ("Leaving")
22:47:39goffah140 is 40gb
22:47:44RomanosByzantineright..
22:47:46goffaand my x5l is 30gb
22:47:49Bagderif everybody would hate nano, rockbox wouldn't run on it
22:47:50goffabut its not really a hate
22:48:00goffajust a personal preference
22:48:12goffai hate to give apple more money than i have to :)
22:48:18dwihnolinuxstb: I read about the 2.5"-based unit in the forum... Do you think they might sponsor the project with a handful of units to the core team for porting?
22:48:28RomanosByzantinedunno guys.. semms that nano would be your last choice if u ever were abouth to bought a dpa
22:48:39linuxstbI'm hoping so :) But he doesn't seem to be understanding my hints...
22:48:54Mikachutell them i'm on the core team
22:48:56goffaha ha ha
22:48:57nobeliumBagder, can you atttend to my pm please :)?
22:49:04Genre9mp3I'm sure that I can get that H115 for a very low price...heh Xavier??? :-)
22:49:04nobelium*attend
22:49:13Genre9mp3romanos...you mean dap?
22:49:14*goffa joins core team and hints :)
22:49:17Bagdernobelium: eh, where you said 'hi' ?
22:49:17XavierGrhow much Genre9?
22:49:18RomanosByzantinelol
22:49:20RomanosByzantineyeah
22:49:22RomanosByzantine:P
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22:49:27Mikachudigital porno appliance
22:49:32nobeliumwell, wanted to know if you were online
22:49:32XavierGr:P
22:49:33RomanosByzantineGreek Attack :P
22:49:53goffalol.. Mikachu they doing work on those 7" archos devices?
22:49:58Genre9mp3wow...straight out question...remember...we are cousins!!!
22:50:07goffafor dpa
22:50:14XavierGrno we are not in main chat Genre9
22:50:21XavierGr:D
22:50:34RomanosByzantineta xoume gamisei ola
22:50:37RomanosByzantinexontro
22:50:45RomanosByzantinejust slipped out of my mouth
22:50:56Genre9mp3I'm sure I can lower the price a bit... private! :)
22:50:57goffayou mean fingers?
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22:50:59goffa:)
22:51:25RomanosByzantineu're selling hardware among each other? Nice cousins....
22:51:29RomanosByzantine:P
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22:52:15Genre9mp3romanos: remember it's an iriver, not an ipod! :-P
22:52:26goffaha
22:52:26XavierGrexactly!
22:52:30RomanosByzantinelol....
22:52:45XavierGririvers HDD DAPS are precioussss
22:52:51goffayes they are
22:52:55RomanosByzantineMy preicoussss
22:52:56nobeliummy h300 is awesome :)
22:53:04RomanosByzantineMy precious...
22:53:14nobeliumnow if rockbox was also ported to H10 =)
22:53:14goffai was going to get a h340 but they wanted too much on ebay
22:53:20goffathen i saw the h140
22:53:31*goffa doesn't need a color screen
22:53:34XavierGr[show off mode] my H360, H140 and H115 are all awesome
22:53:47goffa:(
22:54:00*goffa only has karma x5l and h140 (tomorrow)
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22:54:13Genre9mp3goffa: only?
22:54:15RomanosByzantinewell.. it depends. I mean nano really has some style, but really is not worthing that much money. On the other hand, i dunno .. Apple design Made in california
22:54:16goffamy johnson isn't as big as yours
22:54:19goffa:{)
22:54:25dwihnoMore Rockbox coverage: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2111
22:54:34XavierGrWell I should shut up too. Some devs here can make me look poor in DAP posetion
22:54:51goffaGenre9mp3: its an obsession
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22:54:59goffakarma has broken wheel
22:55:25Genre9mp3I'm happy with my H340....
22:55:37RomanosByzantinespeakin of rio.. i heard some rumors of something new that will replace karma..
22:55:47Genre9mp3of course I probably wouldn't say no to a bigger HDD! ;-)
22:56:03goffayeah... they shut down their portable player devision.. got bought out by someone
22:56:06goffadiamond i though
22:56:07goffat
22:56:17goffaunless diamond is going to do something
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22:56:51goffa"While the menus aren.t as clean and polished as Apple.s firmware, " ... pfft
22:57:07Mikachuthe menus are super confusing in rockbox
22:57:11goffathey almost owe me a new keyboard
22:57:24goffai don't think they are that bad
22:57:25klrspzjust cuz they don't slide sideways they aren't as clean/polished?
22:57:26RomanosByzantinewhat dap u got?
22:57:27Mikachuyou have ' on the . key?
22:57:36goffano
22:57:38goffait pasted that way
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22:57:44Mikachuneat
22:57:49goffayeah.. go figure
22:57:58*goffa uses the dvorak layout
22:58:03Mikachume too
22:58:05goffaso all keys except a and m are wrong
22:58:15amiconnpetur: I'm back
22:58:17goffaor right depending on your point of view
22:58:31Mikachuno, all keys are right, including a and m
22:58:44goffa:)
22:58:54peturamiconn: I increased lang buffer from 14000 to 16000 (committed already) - no problem I hope?
22:58:59goffathe way they should be anyway
22:59:57goffaoh man ... another quote
23:00
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23:00:08goffa"Considering that there is no WMA or DRM support, I'll stick with my standard IPod. I hate DRM as much as anyone, but it's an unfortunately reality in the music world.
23:00:11goffa"
23:00:25RomanosByzantinethat's going to sound awkward , but there is a way to see idtags of greek songs when i'm using the regional settings on win xp.. how can i get these files in order to view greek tags on wps?
23:00:30goffacomedy at its finest
23:00:50amiconnpetur: Well, if russian.lng was too large...
23:00:53Genre9mp3romanos: use unifont
23:01:07RomanosByzantinemoufa
23:01:07amiconnThat'll probably change with some langv2 rework...
23:01:18peturamiconn: I meant mem-usage wise... adding 2K
23:01:31RomanosByzantineand iv'e tried unifont.. but still got issues with tags
23:01:49Genre9mp3romanos: what kind of issues?
23:01:55amiconnpetur: In this case it's necessary (for now). 2K RAM usage isn't *that* bad, since it doesn't increase the binary size
23:01:56RomanosByzantineboxes
23:02:09peturok
23:02:20Mikachuput it in the spare iram ;)
23:02:30amiconnBagder: I had an idea for langv2:
23:02:41RomanosByzantinesaying boxes i mean , every single letter is replaced by boxes and strange dots
23:03:04linuxstbRomanosByzantine: What kind of files are you playing?
23:03:12RomanosByzantinemp3's
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23:03:47Genre9mp3romanos:I haven't tested greek tags much, but I remember I didn't have any problems with unifont
23:03:49Tuanhmm
23:04:01amiconnWould it be possible to "quench" strings from xyz.lang in the generated .lng (and the transformed .lang for voice generation) when the entry is an empty string in english.lang?
23:04:03RomanosByzantinei know.. maybe they are crap
23:04:22RomanosByzantinei mean the ripped songs.. mainly downloadedd from p2p networks
23:04:26linuxstbRomanosByzantine: I'm not sure what character encoding id3 tags use, but maybe you have to change the codepage.
23:04:31Bagderamiconn: I don't understand
23:04:33RomanosByzantineyep
23:04:39RomanosByzantinei've tried that as well
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23:05:07RomanosByzantinei'll try to rip some songs personally
23:05:10Genre9mp3I think that with unifont it should be fine, at least in the wps
23:05:18RomanosByzantineso i'll be sure about tags integrity
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23:06:03amiconnBagder: When a string/voice entry is empty for a certain platform in english.lang, that means the string isn't needed, however, the translator(s) might not yet have updated their .lang files, so the string is still there
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23:06:13RomanosByzantinebtw.. i'm using audiograbber to rip my songs.. Anything better than that?
23:06:25klrspz<3 audiograbber personally
23:06:28Bagderamiconn: ah right, a blank english string should cause a blank local string as well
23:06:29XavierGrEAC
23:06:45RomanosByzantineeac?
23:06:46amiconnIn these cases, genlang could set the strings to empty when generating th e.lng (or the transformed. lang for voice building)
23:06:46nobeliumyes
23:06:47nobeliumEAC
23:06:50nobelium=)
23:06:54nobeliumwww.exactaudiocopy.de
23:06:56RomanosByzantinegood?
23:06:59Genre9mp3EAC = Exact Audio Copy
23:07:03nobeliumexcellent with LAME encoder
23:07:10RomanosByzantineflac?
23:07:13nobeliumusing the VBR settings from the hydrogen forum
23:07:13nobeliummp3
23:07:23RomanosByzantinecan i just use external encoders?
23:07:26nobeliumyes
23:07:33peturbbl
23:07:35amiconnEAC can handle almost any external encoder
23:07:36nobeliumEAC is a ripping application
23:07:38RomanosByzantinei'll give it a shot
23:07:46nobeliumbut it can connect to a lot of external encoders
23:07:48nobeliumlike LAME
23:08:04*amiconn will see the result of his mini2g runtime test in a few minutes
23:08:17RomanosByzantinewell.. it seems u guys really love it, so i'll so some appreciation to that and give it a nice try :)
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23:09:17RomanosByzantineExact Audio Copy V 0.95 beta 4 with CDRDAO-Burning ?
23:09:22RomanosByzantineor without?
23:09:36nobeliumdo you use another burning software?
23:09:39nobeliumlike nero?
23:09:39RomanosByzantineyep
23:09:41RomanosByzantinenero
23:09:49nobeliumthen you should stick with it
23:09:53RomanosByzantineokz
23:09:58amiconnUgh, only 9 hours this time :/
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23:11:59*goffa was only at 50% battery when he unplugged this morning :)
23:12:09goffai got 5-6 hours
23:12:58Genre9mp3Does anyone work with the mini2g sim? I get crappy screendumps with it
23:13:20RomanosByzantineeac has only wav and mp3 tabs, can i add any other tabs? Any flac tabs? I love flac.. i could go out to dinner with it
23:14:18amiconnGenre9mp3: Oh, maybe screendump isn't adapted for the (not-so) new framebuffer format...
23:14:21*amiconn checks
23:14:53preglowsuccess!
23:15:28amiconnGenre9mp3: Ick, you're right...
23:15:34*amiconn tested on target
23:15:40preglowamiconn: did you do a battery test, btw?
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23:15:46XavierGrpreglow: success on what?
23:15:51amiconnpreglow: [23:09:59] <amiconn> Ugh, only 9 hours this time :/
23:16:02preglowamiconn: right :/
23:16:09preglowXavierGr: resizing all my partitions without anything exploding in my face
23:16:23XavierGrnice
23:16:27nobeliumromanos, I think the Mp3 tab can be used for flac conversion
23:16:32oboamiconn: does the gcc patch update the string from -dumpversion ?
23:16:37nobeliumif you set the external coder to some flac encoder :)
23:17:09amiconnobo: No, only the one from -v
23:17:35oboah, thanks
23:19:41goffai don't understand why my battery only charges to 50% some nights
23:19:48goffabut other nights it'll go to 100
23:20:52preglowamiconn: any idea why so poor a result this time?
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23:21:20amiconnNot at all...
23:24:05nobeliumI'm a bit confused now..wasn't rockbox charging for h300 implemented a while ago?
23:24:16nobeliummine still goes to original iriver firmware
23:24:54Mikachudon't you need to hold down a key?
23:25:38nobeliumnot sure..going to read the manual
23:26:18PaulJamif you insert the charger when rockbox is running it charges through rockbox
23:26:52amiconnGenre9mp3: Fixed.
23:26:54Mikachulook out for 01:02:03 04/05/06 later tonight
23:27:24markunMikachu: holding a key is for USB charging
23:27:46Genre9mp3amiconn: Wow! As simple as that? Cool!!!
23:27:50Mikachumarkun: is he not trying to do that?
23:28:13markunIs he?
23:28:16nobeliumnop
23:28:26nobeliumAC charging
23:28:46amiconnGenre9mp3: Yes, the framebuffer format used to be lsb first, now it's msb first in order to not mirror retailos by the rockbox bootloader. Screendump was just not adjusted yet
23:29:43linuxstbSo is anyone else interested in a port to that mp3/mp4 player with a 2.5" disk?
23:29:53preglowhmm
23:29:56preglowbut for the time...
23:30:14linuxstbI know... That's my only doubt.
23:30:31linuxstbBut I would like a swcodec player with a 2.5" disk...
23:30:52preglowsounds like fun, but it'll just diverge me further from the points in rockbox i'd like to spend more time on
23:30:56preglowwhich is codecs and dsp
23:31:06preglowand i'm really struggling with time nowadays anyway
23:31:12***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:31:26*amiconn doesn't really like these players, judging from the specs...
23:31:36preglowi don't care too much about that, i'm still fine with my h120
23:31:54linuxstbamiconn: What's the problem?
23:32:13preglowno hardware codec
23:32:15preglow:P
23:32:18Genre9mp3amiconn: You are the man. I don't have a clue about these stuff...Glad that is fixed.
23:34:39amiconnlinuxstb: My biggest concerns: (1) Large colour lcd (2) Too small battery for 2.5" HD
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23:35:55preglowbrb
23:36:15Bagderlinuxstb: I'm certainly considering it
23:36:58XavierGrI would too, If I had the knowledge
23:37:03XavierGrPorting seems to be fun
23:37:10XavierGrLook all of you. :D
23:37:49amiconn480x234! yuck
23:37:54Mikachusometimes when linux' usb craps out, it works in another port
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23:40:39linuxstbThe only battery life estimate I can find is 13 hours (for the Hi-X6). They also quote some power consumption figures here: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ericwong/Hi-X6_poster_pg2.jpg
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23:43:09amiconnMy 3rd concern: Has anyone ever seen these players in europe and/or the us?
23:43:27linuxstbI've been wondering the same. Maybe they are available under a different name...
23:44:02preglowi got the impression they weren't widely available yet
23:44:08linuxstbAlthough he seemed to imply in his last forum post that they have various distributors around the world.
23:46:15preglowhe most certainly did
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23:48:27preglowDavide-NYC: i'm here now
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23:49:13Davide-NYCplease tell me in quick 'n' dirty fashion how to test (what in particular you want me to do) the optical recording and I will try to run some tests tonight
23:49:22goffac'mon clock!
23:49:29goffa1 hour and 10 mins
23:49:40goffaand i'm free
23:49:57preglowDavide-NYC: i don't really require any more tests
23:50:05goffatime seems to slow down without tunes
23:50:15Davide-NYCwow! is that good news or bad news?
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23:50:24preglowi need to find out why the bloody coldfire doesn't do what i want it do
23:50:25preglowto
23:50:28preglowbad, i guess
23:50:32Davide-NYCUrghh
23:50:33preglowit means i don't know what i'm doing wrong
23:50:37Davide-NYCI'm sorry to hear that
23:50:46preglowdon't worry, i'll fix it sooner or later
23:51:05Davide-NYCif there is something I can do let me know, I am very interested in this feature
23:51:09preglowsure
23:51:12preglowcan do
23:51:13Davide-NYC(next to no coding ability)
23:51:22preglowheh
23:51:30preglowi'll post a patch once i've had some progress
23:51:32preglowso you'll know
23:51:42Davide-NYCtook CS in college, but that was pascal and was 10 years ago
23:51:58preglowhave you tried the current patch any, though?
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23:52:26Davide-NYCI belive Pilot000 put it in his build, but I have not yet tried it
23:52:40Davide-NYCI stil have to learn how to work with patches'
23:53:01Davide-NYCI compiled once but it was a "follow the instructions" dry run and absorbed next to nothing doing
23:53:23Davide-NYCeventually (when I get the time) I will be more on board
23:53:41preglowseems different people meet different bugs in it
23:53:43peturdongs?
23:53:46preglowwhich makes it all the easier to work with
23:54:15Davide-NYCWhen I do test it I should use the current build and your patch and nothing else, cvorrent?
23:54:24Davide-NYC*correct?
23:55:11preglowyea
23:55:17preglowthe patch is a bit outdated though
23:55:25Davide-NYCI ask because right now I'm using the recording enhancement patch and the auto gain patch
23:55:27preglowbetter to just wait
23:55:39preglowwell, you can use as many patches as you want, really, as long as they don't clash
23:55:43Davide-NYCbasically Mmmm's build or Pilot000 build
23:56:06Davide-NYCWell I figure these have a pretty good possibility of clashing, or am I wrong?
23:56:08preglowi'll post a build when i post a new patch as well
23:56:12preglowthey do, yea
23:56:23preglowbut i've gotta go
23:56:24preglowbbl
23:56:26Davide-NYCsweet. Thanks a bunch for your efforts
23:56:32preglowyou're welcome
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