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#rockbox log for 2006-05-07

00:02:29scottderHey Paul_The_Nerd
00:04:51Paul_The_NerdHola
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00:05:59ravonSomeone make a dock program container for Windows :/
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00:12:46Mikachuscottder: hm it looks like it's faster too
00:12:55MikachuDone encoding file "standard.ogg"
00:12:57MikachuRate: 8.9929
00:12:57MikachuAverage bitrate: 113.1 kb/s
00:13:00MikachuDone encoding file "beta.ogg"
00:13:03MikachuRate: 11.0860
00:13:03MikachuAverage bitrate: 112.0 kb/s
00:13:24scottderWhich one?
00:13:36Mikachuyour recommended encoder vs the standard one
00:13:58scottderAh yes....I get about 20x when transcoding....does the job quite nicely
00:14:01Mikachups, renaming shared libs after they're compiled is not as easy as you think
00:14:14Mikachuand i compiled it with -O2 and no -ffast-math
00:14:22Mikachui think it's weird to have -ffast-math in an encoder btw
00:14:35scottderNever copile it on a linux box myself...
00:14:48Mikachui want to have it alongside so i made a libvorbisbetaenc.so and oggbetaenc binary
00:15:03Mikachuit was exciting but it worked in the end
00:15:10scottderAhhh
00:15:16scottderbe able to use both...I see
00:15:29Mikachui could have just installed it in another dir of course, but that's not fun
00:15:43scottderand what good is it if it's not fun
00:15:43scottder:)
00:15:54Mikachui also applide it to libvorbis 1.1.2 instead of 1.1.1
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00:16:03Mikachuso we'll see how that goes
00:16:15Mikachuone of the changes was already in that
00:16:28scottderI am just amazed how much I am liking things at Q3
00:16:35scottdercertainly good enough for portable listening
00:16:47scottderand get more bang for buck out of my Nano :)
00:16:57Mikachui transcode most things to ogg q3 for my nano
00:17:35Mikachuif it's 192 mp3 or higher :)
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00:19:40Mikachuwell, this doesn't sound notably worse than the standard encoder
00:19:56Mikachubut then, i don't hear any difference between flac, mp3 128kbps and ogg q3
00:20:07Mikachuon this type of music
00:20:41scottderI get wonderful bitrates on some of the mono classical albums ;)
00:20:46bluey^awyget descent earphones, those white Apple Earpud sucks :)
00:21:39scottderI have Koss KSc-35's (best $10 I ever spent on headphones) and Shure E3cs I use with my Nano
00:21:43Mikachui usually listen while biking
00:21:50Mikachuso it doesn't matter a lot
00:21:54thegeekhttp://www.magnuminmotion.com/essay%5Fchernobyl/
00:22:20scottderthe koss are great...open enough to hear whats going on around you
00:22:53Mikachuhm apparently the oggencoder does high cutoff at 17kHz
00:23:38thegeekhow well does the "clamp onto ear"-system work?
00:23:40dpassen1scottder: I love my KSC-35s
00:23:57thegeekI'm considering getting the ksc-75 but I'm not convinced it will be comfortable/secure
00:24:06Mikachu−−advanced-encode-option lowpass_frequency=6 sounds funny
00:24:10Mikachuinstant vinyl
00:24:56Paul_The_NerdI can't stand any clamp-to-ear style earphones. They always drive me nuts
00:24:57bluey^awyare these ksc-35 similar to the koss porta pro?
00:25:04dpassen1I believe same driver.
00:25:10Mikachumy right ear doesn't like in-ear buds
00:25:13scottderwhat dpassen1 said
00:25:20Mikachuthey always fall out
00:25:28scottderyou freak! :0
00:25:59Mikachunothing wrong with my left ear though
00:26:14thegeekI have the shure e3's and they work very well, but it's a bit tiresome having to plug them in
00:26:24thegeekI think the ksc-series would be great for biking
00:26:40thegeekIt's a bit scary biking in the city without any sound too;)
00:26:47scottderRat Shacke had the KSC-75's on sale
00:26:53Mikachui can lower the volume by 10dB if i press the apple phones a bit more into my ear
00:27:04thegeekn
00:27:12thegeekthe shure e3's isolate too much for biking
00:27:18thegeekI can't hear cars
00:27:19scottderOh yeah
00:27:27scottderway too isolating...
00:27:34thegeekonly for biking;)
00:27:38thegeekit's great otherwise
00:27:50scottderI use KSC35's at work...
00:28:28Mikachuscottder: how beta is this encoder? should i expect it to produce good streams always or be sort of careful?
00:29:58scottderI haven't had an issue with it yet....
00:30:01Mikachuokay
00:30:06scottderhis "betas" are pretty solid
00:32:04scottderThis is gonna drive m nuts all night...typo in my wps...added an extra charcter....
00:32:11scottderand I am here till 2am
00:32:12scottder:)
00:32:52Mikachudo you have the text_editor installed?
00:33:02Mikachualthough i heard it had some problems editing wps files for some reason
00:33:29scottderit works fine...there is just an "i" tacked on the begining of track titles :)
00:33:43Mikachuheh
00:33:52Mikachuif you give it a shot, make a copy of the wps first
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00:37:45*scottder grooves to new Tool
00:37:49scottderit's been TOOO long
00:40:02Romanosok, this is a nasty one.. I got different battery stamina indications in all 3 different firmwares. Apple, Rockbox and ipl.. Which one can i trust? Retail?
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00:41:26scottderI've found them all to be very....general....
00:41:43scottderthe apple one will be down one monute back up the next...
00:42:01Mikachuthe indicator will depend on load
00:42:08shrizzaHello. diskdump is giving me a "Bad boot sector signature" message.
00:42:33shrizzaI'm trying to install onto a 4G iPod (grayscale).
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00:42:37shrizzaFrom OS X.
00:42:59Romanosalso, why all my settings are reseting to default when i'm entering retail?
00:43:03Paul_The_NerdRomanos: The truth is, you can't trust *any* of them.
00:43:09Romanoslol
00:43:17Paul_The_NerdIt's true.
00:43:17Romanoseven the comppany's one?
00:43:20Paul_The_NerdYep
00:43:22scottderIf the music still plays, you still have battery :)
00:43:32MikachuRomanos: settings saving is sort of random on nanos, go to manage setings and write a .cfg and it should save the config block at the same time
00:43:46Paul_The_NerdMikachu: I think he's talking about Retail settings.
00:43:50Romanosyep
00:43:53Mikachuah
00:44:07Romanosi've already done the trick for rock ;)
00:44:09Mikachuif you reset retail with menu+select it probably won't save
00:44:11Paul_The_NerdAnd that I don't know. *Mine* doesn't reset (in Retail or in Rockbox)
00:44:20Mikachuyou probably have to wait 24 hours or something :)
00:44:28Paul_The_NerdI think Retail has to run for a certain period of time before the settings are stored.
00:44:40Romanosright...
00:44:47Mikachuit's possible it'll dump the settings if you write a { to /dev/sda1 and unplug the usb cable
00:44:48Paul_The_NerdThough I *think* plugging in USB while in Retail might force it. Especially if you use iTunes to change a setting.
00:44:57dwihnosda2
00:44:57Mikachuor just plugging the cable in
00:45:00Mikachusda1
00:45:06Mikachuwriting a { to sda2 would be very bad
00:45:16dwihnonay
00:45:23dwihnoit would be so swell :)
00:45:36Mikachuas long as its not your ipod i guses it doesn't matter
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00:45:51Romanoshow's the job going on , at the usb disk mode on nano?
00:46:10Romanosmeaning, time lag between rockbox and retail
00:46:28dwihno/dev/sda2 then...
00:46:30Romanosany progress?
00:46:36Paul_The_NerdUmm... Rockbox doesn't have ANY USB mode of its own. They're all Retail in some manner.
00:46:45Paul_The_NerdAlso, _Feature Freeze_
00:46:48Paul_The_NerdNo iPod-specific work.
00:47:21Romanosdamn
00:47:40*Mikachu wonders if all bugs will be resolved in 8 days
00:48:24Paul_The_NerdThere's probably not going to be a rockbox-native USB mode for a long while, I imagine.
00:48:44Mikachuusb host support would be more fun
00:49:02dwihnowell, of course
00:49:15dwihnobut not too soon, though
00:49:21Mikachujoypad controlling
00:49:26bluey^awypls...
00:49:34Mikachu(that was a joke probably)
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00:50:25bluey^awyi already see those posts "I want to stick a 2000dpi mouse on rockbox. how does this work?"
00:50:43Romanos???
00:50:47Mikachuit would be cool if it worked, but maybe not #1 priority
00:50:53scottderRockbox 11.5 Now with mind control support
00:50:54scottder:)
00:50:57Romanos:P
00:51:02bluey^awyi don't see the benefits of native USB support
00:51:20Mikachuover nothing?
00:51:20Romanoswell.. will retail useless
00:51:38Romanos*will make
00:52:15bluey^awywell anyway i'm offline
00:52:18bluey^awygoodnight
00:52:23Paul_The_Nerdbluey^awy: If Rockbox didn't have to reboot into the hardware disk mode, it could improve performance in a few ways.
00:52:24Romanosbye
00:52:47Romanosin what way paul?
00:53:36Romanosi mean.. retail os is the base right now, and rockbox is running in top of it?
00:53:39Romanosright?
00:54:06Paul_The_NerdRomanos: Well, for one, the Nano Disk Mode problem vanishes. For another, one can transfer files, then return to Rockbox to charge and play music without having to unplug the cable or touch the iPod.
00:54:24Paul_The_NerdI have no idea what you mean by "base" or "running on top of"
00:54:55Paul_The_NerdRockbox is completely independent of the Retail OS. You can actually remove it without causing Rockbox any problems.
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00:55:18Romanoslike apple is the core and rockbox is on the top, it can't really act as apple os
00:55:33Paul_The_NerdNo.
00:55:35Paul_The_NerdWhat gave you that idea?
00:55:51Romanosdunno.. i'm asking..
00:56:07Paul_The_NerdWell, you said you thought it was that way. I'm curious what led you to that.
00:57:02Romanosi thought that apple os is in a way "embedded" inside ipod and all other firmwares can just run on the top of it, deacreasing performance
00:57:03Paul_The_NerdRight now there's a hardware bootloader. It loads whatever is in the firmware partition. Right now that's our bootloader, which then either goes on to load Rockbox, Apple, or Linux. Or whatever other program you've put there. It doesn't have to be any of those. I've had my iPod *just* have Rockbox in the boot partition. No Apple Retail OS in it at all.
00:57:42Paul_The_NerdRomanos: See, that's a strange assumption. Again, I ask where you got that idea from.
00:57:51Romanosfrom linux..
00:57:53Romanos:P
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00:58:10Paul_The_NerdFrom linux? What does that have to do with it?
00:58:13Romanosnonsense logic.. forget about it
00:58:21Paul_The_NerdiPodLinux doesn't run on top of the Apple OS either.
00:59:09Romanosi'm just trying to understand if the native firmware, was spesifically designed for ipod
00:59:16Paul_The_NerdIt is.
00:59:37Romanosor just to bring jobs some easy money with itunes
00:59:51Paul_The_NerdI don't really see the relationship between those two statement.
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01:00:46Romanosi'm trying to figure out, why apple didn't support flac, ogg gapless etc..
01:00:57bluey^awybecause they dont want
01:01:27bluey^awythey do not care to support a Codec which they can't control
01:01:33Paul_The_NerdRomanos: That's about it. They simply chose not to.
01:02:13bluey^awythey support only MP3 because it is the standard and AAC because they make money with it
01:02:20bluey^awysimple as that
01:02:48Romanosok :)
01:03:23bluey^awyi'm sure
01:03:33bluey^awyApple would be the first one
01:04:09bluey^awywho would switch to Vorbis if it would be released under BSD and add there crappy DRM stuff
01:04:22bluey^awyas they do under OSX
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01:04:39Romanosyeah but i mean support gapless? What's the wrong even with that?
01:04:40spupekhi!
01:04:50spupeki have problem!!can i ask?
01:05:04Romanosdepends
01:05:09Paul_The_NerdYes, you can ask
01:05:15bluey^awymhh gapless is only supported by lame not here own Encoder in itunes
01:05:22Romanosit can be all kinds of problems :P
01:05:23bluey^awyby there -here
01:05:30spupeki own a h300, and i use rockbox
01:05:48Paul_The_NerdRomanos: Yeah, Gapless support isn't as simply as it seems, and there's not a lot of market pressure for them to waste the time on it.
01:06:17shrizzaMan. You gotta be kidding me; the installation is only for FAT32 formatted iPods?
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01:06:50Paul_The_Nerdshrizza: That's what it says.
01:07:04Galoisbluey^awy: libvorbis is, actually, licensed under BSD
01:07:49bluey^awyhm ok thought lgpl
01:08:37Paul_The_Nerdshrizza: FAT32 is a much more widely supported file system than HFS+... is it really a problem?
01:09:03shrizzaBoth should be supported because reformatting is a pain in the ass.
01:09:03spupeksome day it start make some strange noise, like if it cant read something. do it for some seconds and continue...then i try windows defragmenter, and it gave an error, that cant read a folder. i try norton symantec diskdoctor, but that was just can read something too.but i can read everything, with rockbox, or connected to pc. i dont know why cant read. and now i started the roiginal iriver fimrware, but it finds no music, says 0000folder an
01:09:03spupek0000 music files:(. what is wrong? maybe file system?or worse? what to odo?format?
01:09:33Paul_The_Nerdshrizza: So if Reformatting is more a pain in the ass than writing an HFS+ driver for Rockbox, go write the driver.
01:09:33Romanoswhy can't we use ntfs?
01:09:59Paul_The_NerdRomanos: Because NTFS is even less widely supported, no MP3 players come natively in it anyway, and there aren't major benefits for a DAP using it either.
01:10:16Paul_The_NerdOh, right, and _proprietary_
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01:10:28Romanoscan i install windows on a dap? loooooool
01:10:46spupeknow, my problem is upper, sorry for my english...
01:10:49PaulJamspupek: you run chkdsk on it with the option ti check for bad sectors
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01:11:19Romanoswindows dos or even 3.1
01:11:22spupekoo, i wanna do, but dont know how, i try it now.thanx
01:11:59spupekhow to do that under linux?
01:12:01spupek:)
01:12:03scottderRomanos: I wan C=64 on my dap
01:12:04scottder:)
01:12:48PaulJami think under linux the comand is fsck
01:13:00spupekok try
01:13:25PaulJamwith the option -c
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01:13:42scottderWait no...
01:13:43scottderOS/2
01:13:44scottder:)
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01:15:54spupekoo, fsck cant find fsck.vfat..cant check..
01:15:55spupeksh
01:16:11Mikachuspupek: install dosfstools
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01:17:13spupekok, doing, thx
01:19:06spupek"here are differences between boot sector and its backup." <-what's that mean?
01:19:17spupek) Copy original to backup
01:19:17spupek2) Copy backup to original
01:19:17spupek3) No action
01:19:19spupek?
01:19:43Mikachuit means something is wrong, and either 1 or 2 might fix it
01:19:52spupekbackup?i guess
01:21:11spupekcopy original to backup, just leave everything like was, except that backup will change..hmmmm
01:21:24Mikachuit is not possible to know which is the correct one
01:21:51spupekyes.:(
01:23:59spupekDifferences: (offset:original/backup)
01:23:59spupek 65:03/00
01:24:11spupek^^^or is that mean, that there is no backup?
01:25:27Mikachui don't know, i've never had this exact problem
01:29:25spupeki left bootsector as it was, took no action, but repaired filesystem...now original firmware see the files:)thanx. may i search for bad sectors?
01:29:42Mikachuthat's probably not needed
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01:34:50spupekhm, after disconnected and connected again same filesystem prob, according to dosfsck output.:|
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01:57:11spupekthis "free cluster summary" always go back to wrong...
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02:15:45spupekor can it be a starting hardwar problem?:(, or just try to format? i am doing a bad sector check, and at some files(i havent try yet that at same files) reading is hard(?!), gives a sound repetedly liek move head in and out for some time, and continue. and report no problem
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03:04:49KimHC:-)
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03:12:40KimHC^^
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03:46:20nudelynhttp://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/thermal-greasy-apple-sics-lawyers-on-something-awful-171394.php <−− Apple in "Bunch of Assholes" SHOCKER!
03:48:23trinksteve jobs has a really small dick
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03:58:08scottderNah....border lawyers always come up with this shit
03:58:17scottderbullshit = billable hours
03:58:17scottder:)
03:59:44XavierGrit is apple what would you expect?
04:00
04:00:54scottderit's any big company really
04:01:09XavierGrexactly
04:01:29scottderas long as Steve Jobs doesn;t start complaining about being rich like Bill Gates
04:02:06scottderjust Apple has gotten good at shooting themselves in the foot is all
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04:09:01jnci think people generally lose sight of the function of Apple Inc as an american business
04:09:35jnc(A) sell stuff (B) take in more money than is spent
04:09:58jncand the ignored point (C)
04:10:04jnc(C) cover your ass
04:10:14Mikachumy guess involved the word "ass"
04:10:24jncheh
04:11:33jncwhoa
04:11:43jnci thought of a fun tool idea
04:11:46jncBLUEBOX
04:12:13jnchow retro would that be? DTMF dialer tool
04:12:32jncor if you have a microphone capability, a tool that listens for tones and tells you the DTMF number
04:12:40jnclike a decoder
04:12:40Mikachushould be pretty simple i think, there's already a square wave generator in rockbox
04:12:53Mikachumaybe dtmf aren't square waves though
04:13:01Mikachushould be pretty simple in either case
04:13:03jncthey're a matrix of multiple tones
04:13:14Mikachutwo for each button?
04:13:18jncyep
04:13:25jncthere's service tones that use one or three
04:13:33jncand i'm not sure about non-US tones
04:13:48Mikachui'm hoping it's a standard
04:14:04jncyou can find it documented in ma bell manuals from the 70's
04:14:10Mikachui haven't used a normal phone in ages though
04:14:20jnccell phone?
04:14:22Mikachucell phones don't usually make those sounds
04:14:34jncah
04:14:56jncwell having contact information and going up to a POTS phone, hold your pda up to it, it dials your friend's number
04:15:10Mikachuwould be pretty silly to encode the digital number as an analog signal, then convert that to gsm and send it
04:15:13jncthat was a real nice feature when phones accepted DTMF tones
04:15:32jncah, yes
04:15:41jncbut to accept dtmf tones, that is a useful feature
04:16:05Mikachuswedish phone numbers are usually 6 digits, 9 with area code
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04:16:30scottderpfft who cares about swedish phone #'s ? :)
04:16:34Mikachuswedes
04:16:39Mikachusuch as myself
04:16:55scottderj/k :)
04:17:27jncwikipedia has a brief explanation of the tones for dtmf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTMF
04:17:48Mikachuyou can almost play twinkle▓ little star on a dial pad i think
04:18:37jncsure
04:18:52Mikachuit's sort of a funny scale though :)
04:19:14jncyou can tune a guitar or other instrument that has an open A note
04:19:19jncthe dialtone is A440
04:20:01Mikachuyeah i know
04:22:59jncthe bit about 'A' 'B' 'C' and 'D' tones are interesting
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06:21:27RoC_MMAnybody using recent 4G builds?
06:21:29RoC_MM(grey)
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06:55:08RoC_MMGuess not.
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07:02:14webguest51does anyone know where i might find hacked/opensource firmware that would allow my Creative Zen Touch to play FLAC/Ogg Vorbis?
07:02:31scorchewww.google.com?
07:02:34midkayit'd be all over the place if it existed, i'd imagine..
07:02:49webguest51yeah thats what i figured
07:03:10webguest51i looked on google, but its turning out to be not so easy to find
07:03:23scorcheare you sure it exists?
07:03:32webguest51zen touch is not so new, so im actually surprised no ones hacked it yet
07:03:36webguest51no im not sure at all
07:03:37midkaywebguest51, because it doesn't exist. you're not going to find it if it's not on the first page of results, and that'd be if you hadn't heard of it already, which would be impossible.
07:04:01midkayit's not like somewhere on page 400 you'll stumble across a single page containing hacked firmware that merely plays flac/ogg.
07:04:15webguest51lol yeah i know
07:04:47webguest51well i figured it was worth an ask... thank you
07:05:24midkayrockbox might end up on it at some point..
07:05:51scorchebut why the zen, when there are other, better players?
07:05:54midkaydon't get your hopes up for "soon" or even "eventually".. it's a possibility, but i don't think anything is being worked on right now.
07:06:09midkayscorche, why not the zen? it's newer than the archoses..
07:06:16midkayprobably around as old as the h100s.
07:06:39webguest51yeah i would have gotten something from cowon
07:06:58webguest51but i got this for real cheap through my school bookstore
07:07:19webguest51i needed a quick fix when my old karma died
07:08:14webguest51its i nice player, i just dont like supporting WMA so much now that so much DRM stuff is being pushed on it
07:08:45webguest51(and flac sounds better) anyway, thanks a lot, peace
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08:32:28dongsdongs
08:33:16dwihnodwihno \o/
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09:22:25stevenmwoops. lousy button code
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09:29:24stevenmthis is why you code first, drink later =)
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09:41:56dongsonly linux "coders" drink.
09:41:56dongsfact.
09:42:18dongsbecause windows programmers are busy getting paid for their work
09:43:12zei'd have to disagree
09:43:32zei'd say there's probably a decent percentage of coders in both realms who drink while coding
09:43:47zeits just windows programmers to numb the pain and shame of what they do
09:43:58zeand linux programmers to have an extra good time
09:47:33dongsum, right.
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09:59:10Paul_The_Nerddongs: Why is it you feel the need to sit in here and insult linux and linux users frequently?
09:59:57ashridahbecause it's a troll
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10:00:25opusi have a problem with recording through H300,while playing the stuff i've recorded,i hear a "skip" for some sec.(like ffw'ing a cassette )anyone got an idea ?
10:00:38ashridahi'm surprised no one has banned him yet
10:00:56opusthis shit happens on iriver firmware and rockbox as well
10:01:38ashridahon both? weird.
10:01:58Paul_The_Nerdopus: If it happens on both, maybe your HD is having issues, and it's taking longer to write to it than it should. How often do the skips happen?
10:02:11dongsopus: does it skip if you play the recorded file on a PC?
10:02:16opusevery 2-2.5 mintues
10:02:19opusyes it does
10:02:27ashridahi mean, i wouldn't be surprised if there's an issue with rockbox's recording buffering code, but having the same issue on the iriver firmware sounds more like a hardware issue
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10:03:16opusmaybe i have to turn AGC off?or it doesn't matter?
10:03:28dongsi thought agc is analog
10:03:33Paul_The_NerdI thought you said that you have the same recording problems in iRiver.
10:03:34dongsautoamtic adjustment of recording level
10:03:39dongssholdnt ahve any effecto n anyhithing
10:03:56opusyes,but there is a option for it on iriver firmware as well
10:04:22Paul_The_Nerdopus: I think it's most likely a hardware problem.
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10:04:51opuswhat might be injured?
10:04:59Paul_The_NerdDunno.
10:05:12Paul_The_NerdBut if it happens in the retail firmware and Rockbox, it's unlikely to be a software problem.
10:06:24opusby the way,it takes PLENTY of time saving a recorded file even a short one,is this normal?
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10:07:27Paul_The_Nerd"plenty" doesn't actually tell me anything.
10:07:48Paul_The_NerdThough I wouldn't be able to do anything with it even if you used more descriptive words.
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10:08:14Paul_The_NerdI don't use my player for recording, so words such as 'oodles' and 'gobs' or maybe even '5 minutes for a 12 meg file' wouldn't do me much good.
10:08:44Paul_The_NerdBut if it's taking longer than it seems like it should, that seems to reinforce the "bad disk" theorem.
10:09:06Paul_The_NerdAs well, recording wav, it should flush to disk every 2-2.5 minutes (that's 20-25 mb of WAV, right?)
10:09:38opussorry..about a three mintues for a piece of 2 mintues,recording in mp3(128k)
10:10:11Paul_The_NerdRockbox doesn't record in MP3.
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10:10:58opusi didn't say anything about rockbox,i am talking about the retail firmware
10:11:24opusthat's why it seems to be a little strange
10:11:44Paul_The_NerdWell, you're in the Rockbox channel
10:11:51Paul_The_NerdIf you don't specify, it's going to be assumed you're talking about Rockbox.
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10:20:09Paul_The_NerdIf the firmware is generating skips every 2.5 minutes with 128kbps MP3, and Rockbox does it every 2.5 minutes with WAV, you've basically eliminated likelihood of it being anything but bad input. Either bad port, bad cable, bad source. At least, it should be flushing to disk every 2.5 minutes with MP3, unless they just felt like doing so.
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10:24:00opusok,i will try to check those things,thanks anyway,and sorry for the inconvenience
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10:24:30dongsno, we're glad to help as long as your support request makes sense.
10:24:43dongshave you tried googling for your problem to see if other users had similar experience?
10:26:17Kohlrabihave you pt your files on a PC to see if it's a playback problem pf the player?
10:26:17opusi know that someone at misticriver's forums has asked similar qes.(about the skiping that occured)however no one has responded
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10:26:27Kohlrabiof*
10:27:28KohlrabiAnd does the skip in rockboxcome when you playback the file recorded with orig FW?
10:27:39KohlrabiOr when you record with rb and play it back?
10:27:46opusno,i'm still hearing those skipping,you see it's not only the sound,but it actually skips some parts
10:28:46Kohlrabiso the recording process is eroneous (or however it is spelled)
10:28:50Kohlrabi+r ;)
10:29:05Kohlrabi?
10:29:18opusyeah,kinda
10:29:35Kohlrabitried recording with rb?
10:30:13opusyes indeed,and there is cases when it's not even playing the file,or playing it up to a certain point
10:30:17Kohlrabior try recorindg to WAV and encoding later
10:30:45Kohlrabimaybe the player treis to encode on the fly, and can't quite cope with it
10:30:49Kohlrabitries*
10:30:56Paul_The_NerdKohlrabi: Rockbox doesn't encode on the fly.
10:31:01Kohlrabiah, OK
10:31:03Paul_The_NerdRockbox doesn't even encode while recording.
10:31:12Kohlrabiguessed so, OK :\
10:31:25KohlrabiShould be HW-problem then
10:31:39Paul_The_NerdI'm still pretty surprised the gaps occur at equalish intervals in the retail MP3 recordings and the Rockbox WAV recordings.
10:32:23Paul_The_NerdThat strongly suggests to me that the problem happens before the audio data gets to whatever firmware is running at the time.
10:32:45opusproblem with int.mic itself?
10:32:55Kohlrabimaybe
10:33:01Kohlrabitried ext-mic?
10:33:30opusnot yet
10:33:47Kohlrabior line in?
10:33:57Kohlrabiif that's sipported
10:35:00Kohlrabigoddamit my typing sucks
10:35:04Kohlrabi*breakfast*
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11:24:34spupeki guess, my dap's head going bad..:( return to iriver?
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12:01:29spupeksorry,i keep usking questions like that, but i hope someone here can help, or happend to tha same
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12:21:43RedBrevahow do you switch between 'Picker' and 'Line Edit' modes with an iPod keypad?
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12:22:22GaloisI think you just move the cursor one notch below the bottom line of the block of characters, and that will put the cursor on the line
12:28:01RedBrevaThanks..
12:29:08PaulJamis there a hotkey for the uisimulator to reload the wps?
12:31:32midkayno, just browse themes and select it again..
12:31:39midkaymake a theme .cfg if you haven't, of course
12:32:15PaulJamok, thank you
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15:04:50spupekcan someone tell me, why original firmware lost option changes? is there any connection between this and that hdd's bootsector and its backup not same(reported by dosfsck)
15:05:23ashridahlost option changes?
15:05:51spupekyes, when i start, everything goes back to default
15:05:52ashridahon an iriver unit, afaik, the data is stored in flash memory, so a filesystem checker shouldn't have destroyed them
15:06:19spupeki guess, in the boot sector iriverstores some data
15:08:19spupeki have to correct, just look after: only goes back to default, when dosfsck repair filesystem errors..:$
15:09:06spupekand it made changes on hdd
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15:10:39sensei73hi there
15:11:07spupekmybe this is the main problem?:
15:11:08spupekThere are differences between boot sector and its backup.
15:11:08spupekDifferences: (offset:original/backup)
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15:14:07spupekif i leave intact, than dosfsck says: Free cluster summary wrong.
15:14:55sensei73is there a way to install rockbox easily on an ipdo nano?
15:14:56spupekand if i choose to repair this cluster issue, then original firmware options goes back to default
15:16:18spupekhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation , i dont know, but see that
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15:18:16zigfordsensei73: Nothing in life is easy
15:18:25sensei73thanks! a lot!
15:20:22zigfordsensei73: sorry, its my bed time. toodles
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15:30:34RedBrevaOk mental blank... to create a patch (in Cygwin)
15:30:35RedBrevaI am at rockbox-devel folder, and have changed manual/rockbox-interface/main.tex...
15:30:37RedBrevaSo what's wrong with cvs diff -ub manual/rockbox-interface/main.tex > kbrd.patch
15:30:38RedBreva??
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15:32:35Mikachuwhat's the problem?
15:32:54RedBrevano such directory
15:33:09fraggstaI'm getting a weird linking error that I don't understand while trying to compile rockbox for X5.
15:33:12RedBrevaAghhhh!!!! Ignore me!!
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15:33:22Mikachuuse tabcomplete for the win
15:33:28RedBrevarockbox_interface!!!
15:33:42Bagderfraggsta: using an unpatched source?
15:33:54sensei73lo
15:33:55sensei73lol
15:34:01sensei73someone has a nano here?
15:34:10fraggstaBadger: No, I applied one patch. It doesn't seem to be anything to do with that though.
15:34:29sharpehey everyone...
15:34:31fraggstahttp://pastebin.com/703449 - there's the error
15:34:53Bagderso I blame the patch
15:35:00Bagderyeps
15:35:03Bagderiram is full
15:35:13Bagderyou need to move something out of iram to link
15:35:33Bagderpossibly it is a gcc4 problem
15:35:40Bagderwe don't recommend gcc4 for m68k
15:35:54fraggstaShould I try again with GCC 3.x?
15:36:33Bagdergcc 3.4X is the best choice for m68k Rockbox builds
15:36:37Bagder3.4.x
15:37:02fraggstaok, well it'll be a pain to compile them again but..meh, I'll watch TV or something
15:38:02Bagderthat's why our instructions says you should use 3.4.X
15:38:07Bagderyou decideed to not follow it
15:38:29Bagderthat said, its it _sure_ your problem is because of this
15:38:32Bagderis not sure
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15:38:50fraggstadid they? fuck :/
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15:42:04Bagderif it builds fine without your applied patch, I would rather suspect the patch
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15:46:56dj-fusensei73, I have a nano here, if you are still wondering something
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15:58:00sensei73<dj-fu>thanks
15:58:08sensei73i succefully install rockbox on it
15:58:19sensei73i just wondering if there more themes
15:58:20dj-fuoh, cool. enjoy :)
15:58:29dj-fuyou can make your own or check the WpsGallery
15:58:44dj-fuI personally use zezayer, it doesn't have a Peak Meter (less cpu cycles) and is generally informative
15:58:47sensei73not good at it :(
15:58:59sensei73ok i will chek it
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15:59:31RedBrevasensei73: There are a few that have been tested here : http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_176x132x16.html
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16:02:19dprore
16:02:32sensei73i think the sound are a lot more louder!!!
16:02:42sensei73tahn the original firmware
16:03:38dproI did my first reality check last night dj'ing with 2 ipods and rb and I noticed _lots_ of dropouts when playing at other than original speed
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16:08:00dj-fuyou were using rb to dj?
16:08:29fraggstaYou were using IPODS to DJ?!
16:12:48nobelium-wow
16:12:50nobelium-:p
16:12:54Ricklol
16:13:12Bagderdid the box rock? ;-)
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16:24:28dproyup it was fin and it rocked .. but I really should look at the playbacksystem to understand and change it ...
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16:25:28dproup to now I mostly hacked on the pitch interface to make it a bit more userfriendly
16:25:38dproor make that a
16:25:41*dpro friendly
16:25:59DarkJesusSomeone say DJ
16:26:25fraggstaIt doesn't translate well for STUPID Americans. IE: 90% of them.
16:28:34fraggstawait, this isn't the right channel at all :/
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16:36:19ravonHmmmm. An XScale board and thttpd ported to Rockbox would be interesting.
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16:39:41dsforsakenhi
16:40:03dsforsakeni have a couple quesitons...
16:40:29dsforsakenif i install rockbox could i still sync with itunes?
16:42:48dj-funo
16:42:52dj-fuitunes is the devil
16:42:56dj-fuyou can sync with ctrl+c ctrl+v.
16:44:03dsforsakenalso thoe whole reason i am switching to rockbox is because my menu button on my mini doesnt work, i was wondering if rockbox lets your remap the keys?
16:44:16dsforsakenso that mabe i can make rewind key act like the menu button?
16:44:23nobelium-yes..but probably you will have to compile the rockbox again
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16:46:10dsforsakendam...
16:46:13fraggstathe X5 doc PDF tells me that rockbox can't provide a premade image, but the iaudioboot page just tells me to dump the image from the page into the FIRMWARE directory and shut down, which is right?
16:46:21dsforsakencan ipod linux remap keys?
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16:47:32pussfellerim getting a lot of lockups on my photo ipod using recent cvs's
16:47:45pussfelleris there anyway to track down what causes them
16:47:58pussfellerthey happen on pause, and while playing
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16:51:52nudelynNot directly relevant to rockbox, but interesting all the same: http://linux-karma.sourceforge.net/lkarmafs.html
16:52:12nudelynLooks like it mounts the Karma (database-based music player) as a file system, translating the database into a directory structure.
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17:00:46fraggstaI have an..umm..slight problem with x5 installation. I followed the instructions to install iaudioboot, and now the unit won't boot. It turns on, says "result -1" and shuts down..
17:03:04linuxstb_Have you installed rockbox.iaudio and the .rockbox folder?
17:03:47fraggstaI didn't realise I had to do that first. Looks like I've got it to appear as a drive to the computer now though.
17:04:26fraggstaok, it's booting rockbox now..phew
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17:40:57webguest66Hi all
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18:33:58ggggHi, does anybody have problems when serching by title and album with tagcache?
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19:35:26webguest42any hint why my Ipod 4g stops at the Logo screen?
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20:34:24Kohlrabiheya, Tyron :D
20:34:27Tyronaye
20:35:26Tyronok so
20:35:38Tyroni just installed rockbox on my fresh ipod nano
20:35:44Tyronthe bootloader works fine
20:36:02Tyronbut immediately after rockbox has loaded it kind of boots into the emergency disk mode :S
20:36:18Tyroneven when its not connected to the pcs
20:36:25Tyron-s
20:36:47Tyrondo some you may probably know what the problem could be?
20:36:51Tyron+of
20:37:55Tyroni also tried it with some older builds of rockbox, but still the same
20:38:09Tyronbut i haven't tried it with bleeding edge build yet
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20:40:29BHSPitLappyTyron: strange, try holding MENU down while it's booting
20:40:52Tyronthat will get me to the old firmware right?
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20:41:58Tyronwell
20:42:07Tyronit boots the original apple firmware
20:42:13Tyronwhat now?
20:42:56BHSPitLappyerr
20:43:03BHSPitLappyI meant, while rockbox is starting
20:43:19BHSPitLappydidn't mean to hold it while the bootloader is listening to keypresses for an OS choice
20:43:28Tyronoh, ok
20:43:33BHSPitLappysorry
20:44:50Tyronhm ok
20:45:00Tyronnow it seems to be loaded correctly
20:46:43Tyronwhee, i'll better get that manual ^^
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20:48:40Tyronso, does that mean that i have to press menu everytime i start my ipod? :/
20:52:38Tyronwth
20:53:32BHSPitLappyyou might be able to find a setting...
20:53:34BHSPitLappyto disable diskmode
20:53:43*BHSPitLappy doesn't know rockbox well enough
20:54:29Tyronfuck
20:54:37Tyronnow i rebooted it
20:54:44hardeepanyone here have an example file with album art embedded in the tags that crashes tag cache?
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20:55:05Tyronthis time even pressing menu doesn't work :/
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21:03:08Tyrongreat.
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21:09:39PaulJamis it a bug or a feature that there is no crossfade if you skip to the next track when the track is not in the buffer
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21:10:15amiconnpixelma: Wanna test something?
21:10:30amiconnI made a build that might fix the occasional freezes on Ondio
21:11:04amiconnIf we are lucky it's just a DMA priority issue...
21:11:31Genre9mp3PaulJam: You can't say that it's a feature...
21:12:37amiconnPaulJam: I think crossfading in that situation might delay the trackchange so much that the user might think he didn't press skip...
21:17:29PaulJamok, thank you
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21:23:13cvhi...i've a problem with my river h120: i installed rockbox and updated the database, and now rockbox hangs...is there any possibility to reboot the player?
21:23:30cvElse i've to wait until the battery is empty...
21:23:55hardeepcv: use a pin to press the reset button at the bottom of the player
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21:25:00cvhardeep: thank you!
21:25:12pixelmaamiconn: sure
21:25:15cvnow i've the original firmware back?
21:25:44pixelmaamiconn: can I download the build?
21:25:45amiconnpixelma: http//amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-ondiofm.zip
21:26:03hardeepcv: you need to hold rec button as system is booting to boot the original firmware
21:26:25hardeepif you want to remove rockbox altogether, you can find instructions on the rockbox web page
21:26:26cvhardeep: ok...so i can not destory the original firmware?
21:27:17hardeepcv: no, the rockbox bootloader you installed contains the original firmware and you can always boot into it by holding the rec button
21:29:59cvhardeep: thats fine....thank you!!
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21:50:19cvhi...does anybody know how to install the rockcalendar?
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22:03:23cvdoes anybody know how to install the rockcalendar?
22:04:33Mikachuwhat's the point of reasking the question if nobody has joined and there has been no conversation since the last time?
22:06:43Pladaskwhat's the point of reasking the question if nobody has joined and there has been no conversation since the last time?
22:07:12*amiconn gets the impression someone is bored
22:07:27Pladask=)
22:08:27cvperhaps someone else can answer?
22:10:40amiconnWell, rockcalendar only exists as a patch. You need to compile a patched version of rockbox yourself
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22:11:36Hansmaulwurfbtw, why isnt the patch added to rockbox? noone got the time or something else
22:11:55Mikachutopic
22:12:06amiconnIt has bugs, which were reported to the author
22:12:24amiconnI tried it a few times, then gave up
22:12:45Hansmaulwurfah ok
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22:26:07xopha12does anyone know of a bootloader for the ipod that supports the multiboot specification?
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22:38:56midkayxopha12, sure, iPodLinux's loader.
22:40:33amiconnAfaik the rockbox bootloader can also boot ipl
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22:40:45Mikachuwhat is the "multiboot specification"?
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22:42:50midkayi took that to mean "specification of what you want to boot", like a menu..
22:43:11midkayrockbox's loader can boot iPL, yeah, but not via a menu, just a button.
22:44:00Mikachuit sounded like some sort of standard
22:44:17Mikachumaybe http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/multiboot/
22:45:16amiconnHanging build, grmpf!
22:45:20amiconnBagder?
22:46:17*Bagder checks
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22:48:01amiconnIt seems the build system doesn't like my commits...
22:48:33amiconnBagder: The '127.0.0.1' build server has a rather old m68k-elf-gcc (3.4.1)
22:49:19Bagderis there any known problems with that?
22:49:33xopha12yes, i did mean the multiboot spec as in grub
22:49:45xopha12the iPL bootloader doesnt support it
22:49:55preglowamiconn: that's what all the cvs builds were built with until we went distributed
22:50:04preglowamiconn: i don't think there are any issues
22:50:07amiconnBagder: Not that I know of, but there must be a reason why the gcc team published newer 3.4.x
22:51:23amiconnI know that not all build servers use the newest-in series compilers (some use 3.4.5 or 3.4.4 for m68k, and 4.0.2 for arm) but that 3.4.1 is a bit old imho...
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22:52:46Bagderwell, just because it feel old isn't really a strong reason to upgrade imho
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22:53:12Bagderand I think this version is on more servers than just this
22:53:45sharpewow, last night i kept thinking that i had only written three pages, even when i was at the end of page four. i just realized that now...
22:54:46amiconnBagder, preglow: On a related issue, do you think it is safe to use the modified m68k-elf-gcc on amd64 for distributed builds?
22:55:08Bagderif it builds fine binaries, I say go
22:55:31preglowwell, I think it does
22:55:48preglowbut it might explode in our faces for all i know, i don't really understand gcc code
22:56:50sharpehmm... how can i finish up an essay on the plague?
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22:58:21preglowby writing it
22:58:33sharpeyeah, i'm not quite there.
22:59:11preglowdon't ask me, i'm just crazy with happiness i don't need to write any essays
22:59:22sharpe:D
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23:02:57amiconnBagder: Ok, you can add my server as being capable of m68k builds
23:03:03Bagderok
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23:09:39sharpeanyone wish to critize my conclusion? :)
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23:30:25amiconnBagder: Builds are binary identical between amd64 and x86 linux (apart from the build time string of course)
23:30:39amiconnBuild is still hanging, btw...
23:30:52Bagderno
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23:31:09Bagderwhenever a hanf occurs and I kill it, it looks like this until the next build starts
23:31:16amiconnAh ok
23:31:17Bagders/hanf/hang
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23:31:43Bagderbecause it never get to do the final "redraw" since I killed it
23:32:43amiconnHehe 'Hanf' (german) == hemp
23:32:53Bagder:-)
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23:35:43amiconnDid you find out why builds hang from time totime?
23:36:53Bagderno
23:37:06Bagderit looks like one of the builds never completes
23:37:25Bagderbut I don't know if that is truly what happens or if something just makes it look like it
23:37:55BagderI want it fixed by simply killing builds that that more than N seconds
23:38:07amiconnWhich build? Is it the same build server everytime?
23:38:39BagderI haven't checked recently but I saw more than one server
23:38:55amiconnMaybe ssh hangs. Do you know a way to detect this?
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23:39:24Bagderwell, a ssh hang would cause this effect
23:39:33Bagderand no, the script doesn't detect it
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23:40:53RoC_MMIs it possible to get an older build than the one listed on the daily builds page?
23:41:09Bagderno
23:43:21ender`RoC_MM: if you compile it yourself
23:43:31RoC_MMmmm
23:43:37RoC_MMhow do I grab and old build?
23:44:09Mikachucvs update -D "date"
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23:45:32RoC_MMawesome
23:45:37RoC_MMthanks :-)
23:45:46RoC_MMhow do I specify what server?
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23:46:39RoC_MMwait I can answer that.
23:46:40RoC_MMNM.
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23:58:44mephgordon bennet i like rockbox!

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