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#rockbox log for 2006-05-11

00:01:00Paul_The_NerdFalco98: I just discovered that I own two. I'm not sure where the second came from, as they're both labelled "Creative" and I only have one creative MP3 player, a little Muvo I got as a giveaway somewhere.
00:01:28Paul_The_NerdI suspect it's reproducing my division
00:01:48Paul_The_Nerdby
00:02:24amiconnpreglow: No validity bit with original firmware either
00:02:48preglowweird
00:03:01preglowit might just be a quirk
00:04:19amiconnOriginal firmware sets different channel status bits though. It also sets preemphasis (!)
00:04:28preglow!
00:04:28preglowhahaha
00:04:29preglowexcellent
00:04:34preglowthose drunkards at archos
00:04:42amiconn...to reserved (4) (!!)
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00:09:53Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: wow i didn't know Creative even made tape adapters..
00:11:51Paul_The_NerdFalco98: They probably just rebrand some cheap generic to package with players
00:12:05preglowamiconn: but yeah, i gotta finish this patch. so the best approach to spdif powering is recording.c telling pcm_record.c what the spdif power setting, then letting pcm_record.c deal with the rest?
00:13:23amiconnI think so. The alternative would be to handle it in recording.c directly; depends on how close pcm_record.c follows what recording.c tells it
00:15:49preglowit would be nice to deal with it in pcm_record
00:15:56preglowall source changes are registered in one place
00:16:07preglowin recording.c the source gets changed here and there
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00:16:15preglowand i don't like duplicating code
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00:19:58*Falco98 wonders where hardeep went
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00:20:42hardeepFalco98: still here
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00:23:00Falco98ahh
00:23:10Falco98hardeep: working on 3.0 then?
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00:25:54peturmemoserv help
00:26:13peturmemoserv show 1
00:26:20peturmemoserv 1
00:26:26peturmemoserv ?
00:26:30Bagder?
00:26:32preglowhi there
00:27:08Mikachupetur: /
00:27:12midkayhaha.
00:27:29hardeepFalco98 - not right now, no.
00:27:36peturmikachu?
00:28:04peturyou sent something to me?
00:28:09Falco98ah
00:28:15Mikachuoh, heh, maybe i did a week or two ago
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00:28:33peturhow does one read it?
00:28:39MikachuDay changed to 05 maj 2006
00:28:39Mikachu00:53:02 -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- Memo has been recorded for [petur]
00:28:53Mikachu/msg memoserv read 1
00:28:54Mikachui think
00:29:29peturah... skype joke :)
00:29:35amiconn. /msg memoserv can be abbreviated to just /ms
00:29:58Mikachuif you have that alias, yes...
00:30:05peturworked here :)
00:31:05Mikachuafter reading that article, i am probably not going to run skype
00:31:15peturmy body needs a bit hibernating
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00:32:29Bagdersleep(HZ * 3600 *6);
00:34:07Mikachusleep(HZ*PI*10000000);
00:34:18Mikachu(a year)
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00:36:01Falco98hardeep: just so you know (not sure if you saw it when i mentioned in here earlier), i've put a $10 bounty on my feature request, for a working patch
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00:36:42 Part Paul_The_Nerd
00:37:26hardeepFalco98: not sure how much of an incentive that is =)
00:37:42preglowwe all know you're in it for the money
00:38:09hardeepdoh, caught
00:38:10Falco98hardeep: better than $0 anyway :) plus i may raise it to $25 personal plus $25 project contribution if it works its way into an official build after 3.0 is out
00:38:51preglowwhat feature request is this?
00:38:52Mikachucorporate lobbying :(
00:39:00Falco98http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338
00:39:14Falco98i was talking about it in here a few hours ago
00:39:20preglowsomeone bounty spdif recording quick, plz!
00:39:30Falco98hahaha
00:39:42Mikachucan someone put a bounty on conway's game of life?
00:43:26Falco98a few people might want to put a bounty on the iRiver h10s :-P
00:43:46Falco98actually i've been curious.. is there any work being done on the new iriver flash models?
00:43:50Falco98the T series i think?
00:43:56Falco98it's not even mentioned anywhere
00:43:59preglowhell, a bounty of a couple of five thousand grand and i'll port it
00:44:09Falco98yeah
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00:46:28preglowFalco98: might be a useful feature, in any case
00:46:40preglowthere's a risk i might actually use it
00:48:15MoosBagder: oh, that seems there is something wrong with last CVS build, no .rockbox file, I first thought that it was relocalized in .rockbox dir, but apparently no
00:51:12Falco98preglow: which, mine?
00:51:26Falco98preglow: or spdif recording?
00:55:10preglowyours
00:55:15Falco98ahh cool
00:55:34amiconnpreglow: spdif pass-thorugh works, when setting ebu1config correctly
00:55:38Falco98well if me and hardeep are right, it might be fairly easy to implement
00:57:13preglowamiconn: straight-forward?
00:57:37amiconnIn principle, yes. There's some clashing between playback code (voice) and recording code
01:00
01:01:39preglowso should we do it or not?
01:02:33amiconnI just set EBU1CONFIG to 4 instead of 0 (feed-through ebuin1)
01:02:47amiconnFor some reason it doesn't work right after entering the recording screen
01:03:16amiconnIf I got to the recording settings menu (which is voiced correctly), then go back, I get proper monitoring
01:03:35preglowbtw
01:03:47preglowyou know why source selection isn't saved right on iriver always?
01:04:12amiconnNope. From looking at the code it should
01:04:52preglowexactly
01:07:54preglowbut yeah, you didn't find a good way of getting the spdif sample rate on mas?
01:09:42amiconnnope
01:10:02preglowok, i'll just comment it out for archos, then
01:10:08amiconnOnly the mpeg header, which only updates when recording for real, but not when monitoring
01:10:11preglowbut i'll just add it in audio.h in case we ever get it going
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01:16:03preglowamiconn: enabling spdif power again even if it's already enabled should have no impact, right? it's just a pin flip
01:16:16amiconncorrect
01:17:33*amiconn could now make 2 simultaneous digital recordings of the same source :)
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01:24:44*preglow tests spdif power
01:26:11amiconnOkay, spdif feed-through does indeed feed through. 48kHz sample rate is preserved, which wouzldn't work for normal output (correct?)
01:27:09preglowsuccess
01:27:12preglowcorrect
01:27:20preglowit should feed through correctly if the data sheet is correct
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01:28:50preglowsource select just does not save right
01:28:51preglowargh
01:32:13amiconnhmm?
01:32:26preglowwhen i select spdif as source, then shut down, it loads mic as source again
01:32:31amiconnyes
01:32:38whatboutbobamiconn: so you're saying optical out now works at the same time as optical in now?
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01:32:42amiconnI thought you found what happens...
01:32:57preglownope, i didn't
01:33:06sharpewhat to do, what to do...
01:33:20preglowwhatboutbob: new patch incoming soon now
01:33:21amiconnwhatboutbob: Yes, but not quite right yet
01:34:12amiconn2 threads messing with the same config register isn't a good idea
01:34:31whatboutbobamiconn: shweet. so you know if analog out works during recording?
01:34:39whatboutbob*do
01:35:19***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:36:33amiconnit does, and monitors the recording signal
01:36:46whatboutbobnice. thanks.
01:37:18preglowyou haven't tested that yet?
01:37:22preglowit's been in the patch for ages
01:38:07whatboutboboptical out I have...just not analog out.
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01:39:27preglowwell, it's got the same signal as the headphones
01:40:43amiconnpreglow: I can record fine from archos to h140 when I make the DMA ignore the validity flag
01:40:45whatboutbobok...so if you're using a digital in w/ a > 44.1 sample rate, and optical out, the output will be sampled back to 44.1?
01:41:18amiconnnope
01:41:25whatboutboboops...not optical out...analog out...
01:41:45*whatboutbob is still asleep
01:42:55preglowamiconn: so, should we?
01:43:28preglowwhatboutbob: not so much samples back as raped than spit out again
01:43:34preglows/samples/sampled/
01:43:40amiconnwow, the MAS output is clipping...
01:43:49whatboutbobpreglow: that doesn't sound pleasant...
01:44:01preglowwhatboutbob: it's resampled to 44.1khz with no interpolation or filtering or anything
01:44:07preglowwhatboutbob: it sounds very bad, but nothing we can do about it
01:44:26preglowbesides, it's just monitoring, it's not the most important thing ever
01:44:39whatboutbobpreglow: no worries. I don't care...just asking for the faq.
01:44:50amiconnpreglow: Imho it doesn't sound that bad
01:45:02amiconnRight now I'm testing 32kHz recording
01:45:02whatboutbobsome tapers will want to daisy chain them.
01:45:42amiconnPlaying a wav on my archos (with wavplay), recording that on iriver
01:45:53preglowwhatboutbob: why not daisy chain with optical out, then?
01:46:01preglowthat's what you got in in the first place
01:46:07amiconn32->44.1 sounds worse than 48->44.1
01:46:09whatboutbobsample rate > 44.1 >optical in > optical out won't get errr...raped and spit out...right?
01:46:12preglowamiconn: doesn't surprise me
01:46:16preglowwhatboutbob: correct
01:46:22preglowwhatboutbob: the signal won't be changed at all
01:47:15whatboutbobpreglow: i don't think I'll ever use any of this functionality...there aren't enough tapers in my neck of the woods...I'm just confirming for the taping masses.
01:47:21whatboutbobthanks.
01:47:59preglowbut yeah
01:48:00whatboutbob'this funcionality' = optical/analog output
01:48:03preglowoptical out monitoring is not done yet
01:48:09whatboutbobyup.
01:48:16preglowi'll leave that part to amiconn
01:48:23preglowi think i'll just leave spdif recording be from now on
01:48:33amiconnm-r-f
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01:48:53preglowat least i learnt a bunch of stuff about coldfire's audio parts
01:49:07whatboutbobhehe...i think you've done enough. :-)
01:49:24preglowi need to update the manual as well
01:49:36whatboutbobyou going to try to commit the next patch?
01:50:11preglowi am going to post a patch, then i no complaints are heard, commit tomorrow
01:50:21preglowjust one problem left: source isn't saved properly
01:50:32Alexo_OHi
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01:51:01whatboutbobthat minor irritation doesn't seem like enough to not commit.
01:51:11whatboutbob(if no other issues come to light)
01:51:32amiconnpreglow: recording doesn't keep the unit active in case the time between saves is too long (32kHz recording)
01:51:58amiconnAnd yes, it is voice that disturbs monitoring (not only optical but also analog)
01:52:48preglowamiconn: so it shuts off?
01:52:57*amiconn wonders whether we should accept spdif signals with valnogood set
01:53:19amiconnIn general, I mean. There might be more sources which don't set that bit correctly
01:54:03preglowi don't really know
01:54:04preglowprobably
01:54:27preglowbut yeah, how do i make recording keep the unit active, then?
01:55:06whatboutbobpreglow: I won't be able to test much over the next 24 hours, but if you could perhaps pm me or post a precompiled build w/ the new patch i'll make sure others do. (i can't compile @ work)
01:55:44preglowi'll post both
01:56:06whatboutbobthanks.
01:56:40Alexo_OSorry if I interrupt, but I think I'm having some problems installing Rockbox.... iPod mini 2nd gen, OsX, step f, where the guide says not to disconnect...
01:57:39Alexo_OConsole output?
01:58:02amiconnOooh, nice. The mas pcm codec does upsample low sample rates for spdif out (unlike the builtin mp3 codec). So spdif out works for 8/11/12/16/22/24 kHz pcm
01:58:08Alexo_Ohere it is:
01:58:10Alexo_OiBook-G4:~/Desktop/rockbox AlexTheStampede$ ./diskdump -w /dev/disk4s3 rockboot.bin
01:58:10Alexo_Odiskdump v0.1 - (C) Dave Chapman 2005
01:58:10Alexo_OThis is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
01:58:10DBUGEnqueued KICK Alexo_O
01:58:10Alexo_Owarranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
01:58:10Alexo_O[INFO] Reading partition table...
01:58:11***Alert Mode level 1
01:58:11Alexo_OPart Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB)
01:58:13Alexo_O[ERR] Specified partition (0) does not exist:
01:58:13amiconn(quadrupling or doubling the output rate)
01:58:15Alexo_OPart Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB)
01:58:17Alexo_OiBook-G4:~/Desktop/rockbox AlexTheStampede$
01:59:13preglowamiconn: what kind of resampling does it use?
01:59:43amiconnI don't think it does anything fancy. Just doubling or quadrupling every sample...
01:59:58preglowouch
02:00
02:00:07pregloweven cheaper than what we do
02:00:16amiconnI can check...
02:00:28preglowjust make a wav of some short pulses and impulses
02:00:42preglowif you find out it does something more fancy, that is
02:01:12amiconnIt just seems to do what I think. Nice aliasing noises...
02:02:10preglowweird
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02:02:20preglowthey should have more than enough horsepower left to do some really nifty-ass resampling
02:02:23preglowbut i guess they didn't care
02:04:02amiconnStill better than the mp3 codec. It simply disables spdif out for sample rates < 32 kHz
02:04:11preglowi guess
02:04:33preglowbut ok
02:04:43preglowany guesses what messes up the source saving?
02:05:02preglowi honestly have no clue
02:05:23amiconnHehe, the mas doesn't upsample(!)
02:05:38amiconnIt just lies about the bitrate, leading to mickey mouse recordings
02:05:43preglowother than that, new patch here: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/spdif_recording.patch
02:05:47amiconns/bitrate/sample rate/
02:05:52preglowhahaha
02:06:08amiconnI don't have your freqmeas stuff in place
02:06:17amiconnDo you think it would detect that lie?
02:07:12preglowit does measure the actual bitrate, so it should
02:07:23sharpei had an idea, but it's essentially useless
02:07:44sharpebut it's a cool idea, at the same time.
02:07:45preglowahh, shit, that patch will not compile for archos
02:08:12***Alert Mode OFF
02:08:17sharpeanyone wish to hear?
02:08:44sharpewouldn't be very applicable for players without any means to record though.
02:08:52XavierGrshoot
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02:10:59Alexo_OPretty please....
02:11:15sharpemeh, for players than can record, we could monitor input for a few seconds, then adjust the output volume proportionally to lower the risk of hearing damage. as people generally turn their music up as things get louder... i don't know, i've just had the idea in my head for a while... it'd be fun to implement though.
02:11:38sharpewouldn't be too useful without anything to record with though.
02:13:06preglowsome players can do it in hardware
02:13:20sharpei know
02:13:46sharpebut it is an interesting concept, isn't it?
02:13:59preglowwell, i would never use anything like that
02:14:07sharpei really doubt i would either
02:14:09preglowbut some people might think so
02:14:18Falco98seems similar to the car stereos that adjust volume as the car accelerates
02:14:25sharpeyeah
02:15:15sharpeexcept nothing to do with an accelerometer. :D
02:18:07whatboutbobsharpe: an avc...hrmm...interesting...but i wouldn't use it. :-)
02:19:26Alexo_Oseriously, i'm worried about my iPod...
02:19:40whatboutbobfalco98: now if police could force manufacturers to do that the other way around (the faster the car goes, the quieter the stereo), lives could be saved. :-)
02:20:39Falco98whatboutbob: hehe
02:21:35sharpeAlexo_O: what be thine problemo?
02:22:24Alexo_Oi'm stuck, at step f, the ipod should remount itself after a while
02:22:31Alexo_Oand it's not happening
02:22:40sharpeooooooh.
02:23:56Alexo_Oalso, the guide says in uppercase to do not disconnect :-\
02:24:14BHSPitMonkeyuppercase shmuppercase
02:24:23preglowthink i'll post a build now
02:24:34sharpepssh, you can restore it. be a rebel. disconnect it. you know you want to.
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02:25:10Alexo_Oso it's safe? well, that's good news :-)
02:25:22sharpeit's very hard to brick an ipod...
02:25:36sharpeothat than physically damaging it, of course.
02:25:41Alexo_Olol
02:28:00Alexo_Olike from factory. :-)
02:28:31sharpeyeh
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02:30:51preglowwhatboutbob_: patch and binary posted
02:31:01preglowcommence bed-time preparations
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02:50:37whatboutbob__preglow: Thanks. I'll test on the train in to work. That should get me some funny looks.
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02:53:18sharpewow
02:53:53sharpei had access to microsoft elearning training. didn't know it until it's about to expire
02:55:07sharpenot like i'm using it either.
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03:02:36sharpeah, i have an idea for the name of something!
03:03:06amiconnpreglow: Hah, I know why the 'digital' source setting isn't saved....
03:04:24amiconnWe thought settings.c:418 would handle the case for HAVE_SPDIF_IN, but it does so *only* for MAS3587F
03:04:48midkayamiconn, did you catch my message like a day ago regarding the viewer?
03:05:18amiconnSome clever guy added the recording settings for iriver (UDA1380 in a totally different places: settings.c:501..521
03:05:31amiconnThis ought to be fixed to avoid further confusion...
03:05:52amiconnmidkay: Hmm, more precise time stamp?
03:06:39midkay15.24.37 in the http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060510.txt log..
03:06:44amiconnpreglow: ...and decimator + analog gain should be combined in teh settings file as they are on the recording screen
03:09:33amiconnmidkay: The viewer is less bad than the editor, but it still needs fixing.
03:09:56amiconnThe viewer crashes with wide view + long lines. It also crashes when loading an utf16 file
03:09:59midkayamiconn, wasn't it the viewer you said needed fixing? or did i misread your message? did you mean 'editor'?
03:10:18amiconnI don't say it should handle these cases, but it shouldn't crash at least
03:11:04midkayargh, my bad.. you said editor. :)
03:11:08amiconnIt should also save settings as ascii using the settingsfile plugin library, and it should only save settings on exit when they really changed
03:11:35midkayamiconn, that latter part shouldn't be hard. is there a reason you want to save settings as ascii?
03:12:09midkaywe may as well pretty much revert to the old loading/saving system in that case. i only tossed it because mainly it wasn't working for me, and then i discovered that bug report after changing it..
03:12:22amiconnThe button assignment stuff was already fixed by me a week ago
03:12:33midkayright.
03:12:52amiconnThe changes there were really bad, e.g. it was impossible to scroll horizontally (wide view) on player
03:13:23amiconnWhy the old system? This was custom-made, right?
03:13:29midkayamiconn, ah, i was very worried about the player build of it, yeah.
03:13:39amiconnOndio was also very bad
03:14:11midkayamiconn, which was custom made? the old one was done with ascii, the new one just saves the structure to disk .. however.. :)
03:15:46amiconnWell, the old system did use ascii, but it didn't use apps/plugins/lib/configfile for it
03:15:56amiconnThat's what I meant with custom made
03:16:11midkayah, i hadn't seen lib/configfile.
03:16:22amiconnSeveral plugins use it already
03:16:32midkayi'll have to have a look. but i'm rather useless since that bug exists..
03:16:39amiconnoscilloscope even does the save-only-when-changed thing
03:17:02midkayamiconn, nice to know, i'll look into it.
03:17:14amiconn..although in a sub-optimal way, duplicating the whole settings block. I'll replace that with only one block + a crc32 across it
03:18:04amiconnBut now, sleep
03:18:10amiconn(03:18 am here)
03:18:11midkayamiconn, ah, that's what i was going to do..
03:18:22midkayamiconn, cool. alright. nite. :)
03:19:24sharpeahhhRRR!
03:21:44midkay'tis it, sharpe/
03:23:26midkay?*
03:23:26sharpenothing really. boredom.
03:24:01midkaywhat's up?
03:24:39sharpeabout the same thing as always. random bouts of happiness, boredom, sadness, et cetera. haven't worked on the emulator in forever. you?
03:27:59midkaywhy not? :\
03:28:02midkayi'm. hm.
03:28:11midkaysimilar.
03:28:18sharpei dunno, i've had time, but haven't really wanted to work on much
03:28:22midkaystressed about the viewer a bit..
03:28:28sharpewhat viewer?
03:28:37midkayrockbox's text viewer.
03:28:40sharpeah
03:28:44sharpewhat's wrong with it?
03:29:00midkayi removed the saving/loading of file position when you exit and people rather want it back :)
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03:29:24sharpewow... seems insignificant
03:29:46midkayyeah, it kinda is. it still should really be in by 3.0, since people apparently like to read books on their devices daily..
03:30:21sharpewell, think about it, if they drive while reading, you'll eventually be able to remove the feature quietly, without any fuss.
03:30:30sharpe:D
03:30:36midkayhahaha.. let's hope. ;D
03:31:34sharpei need to find something to occupy my time though
03:31:49midkayyeah :)
03:31:56midkayi have several, sorta..
03:32:09sharpehmm?
03:32:15midkayneed to finish the bounce.c update. i think i'll do that now..
03:32:29sharpeah...
03:32:39midkaywormlet update i just remembered..
03:32:46midkayminor crap. :)
03:32:58sharpego me for not having cvs access!
03:33:25sharpeso it's not like i'm obliged to do anything
03:34:15midkayhaha.
03:34:42midkayyou're semi-envied. ;0
03:34:45midkay:)*
03:34:47sharpeheheh
03:35:20sharpeof course i can always think of some ideas for rockbox, however, it seems as if i'm out of them
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03:35:28sharpeso i can't work on any of them
03:35:39amiconnmidkay: What about the clock plugin?
03:35:48midkaygoing to bug reports, finding a simplish one and fixing it is pretty fun. :)
03:35:52midkayamiconn, what?
03:36:04midkay@ the user/bg color stuff?
03:36:14amiconnClock needs adapting to different lcd resolutions
03:37:13midkayamiconn, right, but i don't think i can do that before 3.0. i'd like to get things mostly drawn based on LCD_HEIGHT and _WIDTH, so it would auto-adapt to all targets, instead of #if LCD_WIDTH == 112, xpos = 10; #elif ....
03:37:45midkaysimply xpos = (LCD_WIDTH / 11)-ish.
03:38:06midkaybtw, is there any change as far as the release date? still on for the fifteenth?
03:38:23midkayplayback is working better, but still seems pretty far from rock-solid.
03:39:06XavierGrwe have the power issue unsloved too :(
03:39:23midkayhm. :\
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03:39:54midkayeverything just seems rather behind-schedule..
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03:40:05XavierGrGod I was going for some bug hunting today but my windows machine broke, so I had to restore and make a new better image based on that.
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03:40:19midkayXavierGr, ouch :\
03:40:39midkaythe "no open bugs on supported platforms" release goal seems pretty far away..
03:41:20XavierGr yup
03:41:59midkayi should go through and clean up a bit, also.. i've seen several dupes that i haven't had time to sort out, and invalid-ish ones..
03:42:10Falco98hmm
03:42:20Falco98are they ironing out the h1X0 track-skip / seek bugs at all?
03:42:48midkayi haven't seen any playback work going on too recently..
03:43:19midkaybut they need fixing before 3.0, so i don't think may 15 will work out..
03:44:02XavierGrwell I have sent some samples to lostlogic for that but he didn't had the time to listen them
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03:45:09midkayXavierGr, ah..
03:47:28midkaybe back in like 15 minutes.. i'll do a bugtracker cleanout then.
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03:53:02XavierGrok bed time here too.
03:53:19XavierGrit is getting early here! 5.00 am nearly...
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04:04:58sharpehttp://www.explodingdog.com/january2/ifatreefallsinaforestandnob.html
04:05:00sharpeyay.
04:06:36midkayum. i don't get it.
04:06:56blindlol
04:07:49sharpe:)
04:08:42midkayreally though. :)
04:09:05sharpe:(
04:09:33midkayi know that saying, but i don't get the picture. some tard's .. writing something on a clipboard?
04:09:47sharpehe's asking the tree
04:10:05midkayhahaha.
04:15:51sharpei like this one too, http://www.explodingdog.com/january2/allmyfriendsaredead.html
04:16:09midkayhaha.
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04:20:01sharpeboredom...
04:20:03sharpesoon sleep...
04:22:13midkayyay.
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04:27:47sharpesleep time, g'night all.
04:27:52midkaynight sharpe
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05:27:32webguest25hey
05:27:43webguest25anyone got any progress on the ipod 3g port?
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05:29:01Paul_The_NerdRockCalender's not in CVS, is it?
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05:33:54BHSPitMonkeyany word on whether the freeze extension is on?
05:35:01Paul_The_NerdIt probably will be, but then the next deadline isn't reached yet.
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05:40:22midkayPaul_The_Nerd, no, rockcalendar isn't.
05:42:27Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Didn't think it was, but it's in the table at PluginIndex for some reason
05:45:12midkayPaul_The_Nerd, yeah, rather weird.
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06:59:39asdquick question for anyone out there
06:59:52Presencesup?
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07:00:12asdhey; was wondering, if i rockbox my ipod, i CAN'T use itunes to transfer music?
07:00:37PresenceiTunes works with the iPod Apple firmware.
07:01:06PresenceYour "file system", like windows explorer, xtree, progman, whatever, works with Rockbox.
07:01:06asdso, if i transfer the music over, then i use the rockbox firmware
07:01:22PresenceApple works with Apple
07:01:48PresenceRockbox works as any normal hard disk/floppy/usb stick/whatever
07:01:53asdhuh. so, the 'file system' will it organize by ID3 tags?
07:02:08Presenceyou use windows, right?
07:02:09asdso, it'll be a seperate drive basically?
07:02:12asdyep
07:02:15Presencekay, coolio
07:02:26Presenceso you plug in your ipod, you get a new drive letter, like "I:"
07:02:47asdand i'll drop songs in there
07:02:49Presenceyou open up windows "Explorer", drag and drop your folders over that have music to "I:"
07:02:57Presenceand in rockbox, you have *two* choices:
07:03:00asdand it'll be organized in the ipod as folders?
07:03:03asduh huh
07:03:11Presence 1) you "explore" on your ipod just like it was on your windows explorer
07:03:29Presence 2) you use "Tag Cache" and do a database-style thing *Similiar* to iTunes on the ipod.
07:03:30blindwoah
07:03:33blindit crashes very often?
07:03:36blind:P
07:04:27asdand the 'tag cache'... is it true that it doesn't organize songs by song number in ID3 tags?
07:04:33Presenceasd, personally, I'm a "neat freak" and my folder structure is JUST FINE thank you, so I do "#1" and explore the ipod "hard drive" in Rockbox just as I would if it were any hard drive.
07:05:05PresenceI couldn't specifically say about Tag Cache and song numbers in an album.
07:05:11PresenceI know the Wiki says it doesn't...
07:05:19Presencebut seriously, by now, I bet it totally works.
07:05:36asdahh
07:05:38PresenceThe Rockbox Guys make changes faster to the Rockbox code than to the manual. :)
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07:06:12dongslol how the fuck do i put ipod in disk mode in itunes
07:06:17dongsthe interface is so retarded
07:06:20asdthanks a lot bro :D
07:06:29asdi'm off to bed, if i need anymore help i'll drop in
07:06:32Presenceasd, my pleasure.. congrats on the Rockbox install!
07:06:36asdgood night presence :D
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07:06:46dongshalp
07:07:02dongs:D
07:07:10Presencesee, now THATS the perfect example of a n00b user. joins, asks, gets the answer, leaves.
07:07:23dongsyes
07:07:27dongsnow halp me so i can leave too :(
07:07:30Presenceunlike fucking dongs here.
07:07:30Presencehahaha
07:08:00PresenceThe ipod goes into "Disk Mode" the moment you plug it into a USB port.
07:08:19dongsnah
07:08:20dongson windows
07:08:23dongssome shit blocks it
07:08:25dongsfrom beign a drive
07:08:28dongsim guessing jewtunes
07:08:29Presencethe ONLY way an iPod doesn't go disk-mode is if (in either rockbox or ipod retail apple) you hold down "MENU" when you plug it in.
07:08:57PresenceApple iTunes talks to the iPod in "Disk Mode"
07:08:57dongsorly, does hte menu down work even with apple fw?
07:09:04dongswell it doesnt appear as a drive
07:09:04Presencethereisn't a "special iTunes-only mode"
07:09:06dongshow 2 do it
07:09:30Presencedongs, ya rly. MENU works on both Apple firmware AND rockbox firmware.
07:09:40dongsso does it charge while that?
07:10:01dongsi know i works on rockbox, so does that mean i hold menu and plug it in and it charges and i can still paly shit?
07:10:05PresenceYes, the iPod device will charge in A) disk mode, B) rockbox play mode, C) Apple Retail play mode.
07:10:06dongs(on apple)
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07:10:45PresenceYes, on the ipod Apple Firmware, holding menu when plugging into a USB port will keep the iPod playing along, JUST like rockbox's firmware.
07:11:56PresenceSo, plug in your ipod into usb port, wait a few mins, and refresh your "My Computer" window, and the ipod *will* be there as a removable disk device.
07:12:03dongslol!
07:12:19dongsPresence: no, thats wrong
07:12:28dongsi rmeember when i first got my shuffle and was dumb enough to install jewtunes
07:12:38dongsit would appear as a drive for a split second then jewtunes would hide it
07:14:48PresenceWhat you describe does not occur on my computer-with-itunes, so I don't know what to tell you.
07:15:09Presenceother than http://google.com/?q=ipod+itunes+drive+letter
07:15:51dongshm
07:15:55dongshuhu
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07:20:57dongsok so
07:21:03dongswhats this shit about
07:21:06dongsipod mini
07:21:13dongsneeding to be plugged into a "power source"
07:21:15dongsto reflash
07:21:25dongsor something
07:23:22Presencebeats me.
07:23:57dongsthis is bullshit
07:24:42Presencewell, if you've plugged your mini into a USB port to flash it or whatever, are you not providing it power, too?
07:24:51ScoTTieit needs to be a wall socket
07:24:51Presenceor is your USB port/hub/whatever unpowered?
07:28:22dongsPresence: apparently not
07:28:29dongslol and they lost the wall charger too somewehre
07:28:35dongsnice
07:28:47dongsScoTTie: anything canbe done without that?
07:29:23ScoTTieive never tried doing it any other way to be honest
07:29:41dongswell so much for getting rockbox on that mini then
07:29:44ScoTTieit might be possible if you ejected it
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07:29:56ScoTTiein windows
07:29:59CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
07:29:59*ScoTTie shrugs
07:30:03dongsheh
07:30:05dongsi did.
07:30:08dongsand tried resetting
07:30:15dongsit just shows the "plug me in to wall" pic.
07:30:20dongsand plugging to usb = fale
07:30:25ScoTTieguess its wall only then :\
07:30:36ScoTTiethe wall plugs cost a bomb aswell
07:31:11dongshuhuhu
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07:33:54rick2hows it going
07:35:08rick2anyone know of any new apps for rockbox
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07:35:41rick2!list
07:35:43dongsdefine "new"
07:35:45dongslol.
07:36:10rick2anything other then what it put's on ipod
07:36:35dongsthats all the stuff, because it depends on your platform
07:36:42dongsso the daily builds include everything supported by that device
07:36:59B4gderat least everything the project has put in the CVS
07:38:57dongswell uyea
07:39:51B4gderthere's still the whopping 261 open patches that add further stuff
07:40:19rick2open patches?
07:40:43dongsas in, not closed
07:40:49dongsand not in daily builds.
07:41:24rick2found it on there site. i'll check them out
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08:02:46dongscraptastic
08:02:52dongslooks like they're going to get the wall plug tomorrow
08:02:52dongslawl
08:03:00qwm:)
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08:06:47webguest59akaidiot: good morning.
08:07:42webguest59any idea why 060511:Rockbox for iPod 4th gen Grayscale is half the size of every other daily build?
08:07:54Mikachuno fonts
08:08:11webguest59cool.. thanks.
08:08:18Mikachuthey're in a separate zip
08:08:38Mikachubut they almost never update so you don't need to download that every day
08:09:05webguest59do you reckon the freeze on load problem from the 060510 version is fixed in 060511?
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08:11:14webguest59anyhow,.. excellent project; i just found it tonight, but i really appreciate it.
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09:00:12JdGordondoes any1 know how to use the custom keyboard thingy?
09:02:53markunJdGordon: just write all the chars you want on your keyboard in a text file and save it as UTF-8
09:03:09JdGordonand put it where?
09:03:25markunNo idea, but you can just play it.
09:04:38markunJdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856
09:04:58JdGordonta
09:06:17markunI'll close the patch. The code is in CVS, right?
09:07:22JdGordonye i tinhk so
09:09:56JdGordonworks but doesnt like new lines...
09:12:17LinusNthat's too bad
09:12:27markunWe could include some keyboard layouts with rockbox
09:12:51markunWhat should a new line do? Force a new page?
09:13:15LinusNJdGordon: it's supposed to skip newlines
09:13:27JdGordonwell i was expecting it print the keyboard as it is in the file.. have to play with spaces to make it formatted nicely..
09:13:38LinusNmarkun: it's tedious to edit a keyboard file if everything is on one line
09:14:19markunJdGordon: The layout will be different again if you change your font
09:14:21_FireFly_LinusN: is the "new" vkeyboard based on my idea?
09:14:45LinusNi don't remember whos idea it was
09:15:06markun_FireFly_: are these your ideas? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856
09:15:22_FireFly_i mean this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MultiScreenVKeyboard
09:16:40JdGordonmarkun: ye so u design it to your font :D
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09:25:41*JdGordon is done.. a nice qwerty kb with all normal english chars :D
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09:31:58JdGordonmorning?
09:32:43markunmorning amiconn
09:33:04_FireFly_moin amiconn
09:33:05XavierGrmorning
09:33:35_FireFly_JdGordon: here(Germany) is 9:33 am ;)
09:35:15amiconnHmm, someone obviously couldn't read the UDA datasheet when writing the driver...
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09:35:37amiconnAs we don't use the WSPLL, it doesn't need to be powered on...
09:40:09dwihno0~
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09:45:28JdGordon with a cape... its a bird, its a plane.. no its SUPER EGG!!!!
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09:46:38dwihnomarkun: more like F5+0 ;)
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10:28:42JdGordongrr.. my function takes a char** and i have declared a char blaa[][], i call the function with &blaa dont i?
10:29:22JdGordonor do i need to make that char ***?
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10:34:35preglowblaa
10:35:22preglowthat is, it depends
10:35:22JdGordonjust blaa?
10:35:33preglowwhat is it an array of?
10:35:49*petur notices sheep in the channel
10:35:55preglowhahah
10:36:00Zagor[][] and ** are not equal
10:36:14JdGordonchar found_dir_names[MAX_SUB_FOLDERS][MAX_PATH];
10:36:23JdGordonan array of strings...
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10:36:40preglowthen it'll work, afaik
10:37:20petura big array...
10:37:33preglowno, it won't
10:37:49JdGordonye, i dont want to make it global coz it is fairly large...
10:37:57JdGordonMAX_PATH is 256 ye?
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10:40:30JdGordonno worky... incompaitble type..
10:40:38*JdGordon hates pointers..
10:41:05peturcast char[][] to a char*
10:41:23ZagorJdGordon: think for a moment about how a ** and a [][] is arranged in memory. they are not the same.
10:42:51JdGordoni changed the function to be char blaa[][MAX_PATH] which fixed it...
10:54:07JdGordonwhats the best way to randomly go through a list fairly quickly?
10:55:15B4gderdo it right!
10:55:28JdGordondo what right?
10:55:41B4gderthe going through the list
10:55:58B4gderthe question is so blurry its not really possible to answer
10:56:10B4gderthere are too many "it depends"
10:56:25JdGordonatm ive got index = (index+a_prime)%num_items.. but thats not really all that random
10:59:22Zagorunless you want repeats, it's not an altogether easy thing to do
10:59:43Zagorshuffling the list is one method
10:59:55Zagor(i.e. create a shadow list and shuffle that)
10:59:58B4gderyeah, that's one of the "it depends"
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11:00:42JdGordonye, oh well.. i guess this is good enough..
11:01:40JdGordonoh, which target do we really need to be careful with ram usage?
11:02:39JdGordonor will a 512xMAX_PATH char array be sort of ok for all?
11:03:11B4gderit depends
11:03:20B4gderit won't work on the Archoses
11:05:20JdGordonis it good enough to #define the 512 by the PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE?
11:10:15amiconnJdGordon: If you define a 512x256 char array non-static, it will crash rockbox
11:10:28B4gderJdGordon: how can we know based on no info at all?
11:10:29amiconn32KB are too much for the stack. Rockbox is an embedded system...
11:10:41amiconnAhem, these are even 128KB
11:11:02JdGordonso static it is...
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11:12:37amiconnJdGordon: Btw, what are you trying to do?
11:12:57JdGordonanother incarnation of the randomly insert directories..
11:13:00amiconnpreglow: Got my note regarding the non-saved digital input setting?
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11:14:32markunJdGordon: Can't you make an array of pointers and point each entry to one of the dirs instead of copying the path?
11:15:13preglowamiconn: yup...
11:15:30JdGordonmarkun: umm... depends how the readdir() function works... ill check
11:15:37markunJdGordon: hmm.. that would only work with dircache
11:16:05JdGordonwhich would? the array of pointers? or that function?
11:16:54*amiconn wonders what that other incarnation should do
11:17:37JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 is the request im doing seen as my attempt at the other versions wouldnt work...
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11:20:22webguest79hi
11:20:46webguest79hi
11:20:56amiconnJdGordon: You should talk to hardeep on that one. I'm 99% sure you don't need an array of strings.
11:20:58JdGordonhi.. ?
11:21:23amiconnlo
11:21:33scorchemed
11:21:35XavierGrJdGordon I suggest you also read jpeg.c about directory reading.
11:21:49XavierGrI mean the part that has to do with the directories
11:21:55webguest79I have an h120, and I loaded it with .m4a's at 128kbs, but it sounds all choppy...
11:22:20Paul_The_NerdAAC support isn't very good in Rockbox yet. Especially on the iRiver targets.
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11:22:34webguest79is anyone working on this?
11:22:37JdGordoni got the directory traversing from stats.c.. if the readdir return value can be stored instead of the name then that would be better... but i dont know if it can..?
11:23:00XavierGrJdGordon: You can call tree_get_context to see all available items in a directory. Then you can build up a pointer list with the entries
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11:23:18Paul_The_Nerdwebguest79: It seems that generally speaking, people with AAC music aren't willing to put up with the hassle of trying to improve the codec.
11:23:21JdGordonhmm.. ok, dinner bbs
11:23:30XavierGrah so you must look into subfolders too?
11:23:51*petur thanks firefox for crashing :(
11:24:30Paul_The_Nerdwebguest79: In most cases, they don't feel they have the skill necessary.
11:24:52preglowi'd consider improving aac if faad wasn't so incredibly crappy
11:25:05webguest79oh. I have no idea how to optimise a codec. so I guess I'll just have to hope for the best, and meanwhile re-rip my cd's to mp3
11:25:13webguest79what's faad?
11:25:40zigfordITs like a trend
11:26:10Paul_The_Nerdwebguest79: Free Advanced Audio Decoder, or something like that? I'm not 100% sure.
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11:26:24amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Afaik we're waiting for ffmpeg's new aac decoder
11:27:22Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I'd heard about that, but that doesn't mean someone else can't improve ours to a usable state until then. ;-)
11:27:55preglowgo ahead, it shouldn't be hard to make it somewhat faster
11:28:59webguest79thanks for the info, and I hope something comes out of this. Bye
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11:32:49tucozCould someone enlighten me how I should use replay gain. I use Ex Falso to tag my tracks, and I got an replay gain option there. Are there any 'good' settings I should use?
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11:35:43Paul_The_NerdEvery day I can hear WMA creeping a little bit closer, and every day I wonder "Will the world end when it's playing on iPod?"
11:36:20Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: The defaults are probably good. Or at least, the defaults several other programs seem to use, which is 89dB, with both album and track gain tags.
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11:37:49tucozOk. Thanks. Maybe easier to use a commandline tool for that. It says progress 0% on all tracks, and it doesn't seem to process anything.
11:41:11tucozmaybe I need some other packages installed to get it working
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11:59:53crwlwhat tool did you use?
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12:00:26tucozcrwl, me?
12:02:04crwlyep
12:02:16tucozin that case, I use ex falso for the tagging and I have an option 'Replaygain' there.
12:02:45tucozI have installed mp3gain as well (in case that is needed)
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12:08:42crwloh, mp3... no idea if it's actually replaygainable in Linux so that Rockbox will understand it
12:09:53tucozI see. But vorbisgain will work (for oggs) right=
12:09:55tucoz?
12:10:01crwlyes, and metaflac −−add-replay-gain for flacs
12:10:14tucozok
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12:20:09tucozI see, so mp3gain is _not_ replaigain.
12:20:31Mikachuit's the same algo, but it doesn't actually write any tags
12:20:47Mikachuit changes the mp3 data losslessly
12:21:11preglowit does write tags as well, afaik
12:21:14Mikachuif you start an mp3 and run mp3gain on it, you'll hear the volume change while playing after it's done
12:21:17preglowfor reversal of the procedure
12:21:28Mikachunot replaygain tags then
12:21:31tucozOk. So the change will be noticed in rockbox?
12:21:39tucozas the mp3 data is changed
12:21:39Mikachuyes
12:21:47preglowyes, doesn't even need player support
12:21:49tucozcool
12:21:50preglowreplaygain is something else
12:22:31tucozI just ran mp3gain -r -c *.mp3. Is this ok, or should I use some other options?
12:22:56Mikachui seem to use /c /p /r /s s
12:23:03Mikachuthe last one just stops the writing of reversal tags
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12:23:22Mikachuand p is about time stamps.. so yeah, that looks right
12:24:05tucozOk. good
12:24:37preglowehh
12:24:45preglowwhy does the newest nano build hang on boot? :>
12:25:06preglowfancy settings, obviously
12:25:26preglowwtf
12:26:55tucozhmm. Maybe I should use -a instead. To get the album to equal loudness instead
12:27:07preglowwhat the hell? rockbox.ipod isn't included in the cvs build zip????
12:27:25Mikachuif it's an album where the tracks are meant to go together that would be a good idea
12:27:34Mikachubut mp3gain probably won't preserve gaplessness
12:28:04B4gderpreglow: no?
12:28:07tucozoh, I see.
12:28:09preglowB4gder: sure doesn't look like it
12:28:30*B4gder goes checking
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12:29:54*B4gder is now officially lamer of the year
12:30:13JdGordonhaha silly bugger :D
12:30:29preglowB4gder: lemme guess, this applies to all builds? :P
12:30:34B4gderoh yes
12:30:38preglowhahahah
12:30:43B4gderfunny how nobody has mentioned it
12:30:55preglowi think one guy did, but i was on my way out, and i forgot it
12:30:59pregloweither that, or i dreamt it
12:31:00tucozlamer of the year. What a nice award to get :)
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12:31:40preglowi was wondering if someone had commited my piezo patch without telling me, since my new cvs build was ticking when i used the click wheel
12:31:44preglowheh
12:31:58B4gderhaha
12:32:50dwihnoThere is click in ipod builds now?! :D :D :D
12:32:58*dwihno loves that annoying little sound ;~)
12:33:01preglowhaha
12:33:04preglowno, it's in my local build
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12:33:28dwihno:(
12:33:35dwihnoWhy won't anyone commit it? :(
12:33:49dwihnoIs it ugly?
12:33:51Mikachufeature freeze?
12:34:28dwihno"extended freezing period suggested"
12:34:28tucozWell, it wouldn't affect the feature freeze as the ipods are not 3.0 targets
12:34:28preglowno, it's not particularily ugly now, i believe. someone even made a nice driver out of it
12:34:32preglowbut we are in feature freeze
12:34:37preglowalso someone needs to do it :>
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12:34:51dwihnopreglow: care to share your build w. me? :)
12:34:53preglowshouldn't affect release targets, no
12:34:58preglowdwihno: sure, gimme a sec
12:35:04dwihnopreglow: aah, splendid :D
12:35:16dwihnoIs the sound similar to the original sound?
12:35:19Mikachuno
12:35:26Mikachuit sounds more like the key beep of atari st :)
12:35:37preglownot similar at all
12:35:39*dwihno is unpacking a heapload of wifi USB sticks! weeQ
12:35:39theli_uaanyone with ipod video here?
12:35:42preglowi can't make it short enough
12:35:50preglowwww.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.ipod
12:35:55dwihnoMikachu: Never heard that sound really... :)
12:35:58Mikachuis the apple one just one frequency or some sort of sweep?
12:35:59preglowplugins won't work and it'll destroy your settings
12:36:02preglowso it's just a tryout, heh
12:36:13preglowMikachu: hard to say, it's so short
12:36:25tucozMikachu, the apple one is probably made by Vangelis
12:36:31dwihnowee :D
12:36:35dwihno:D
12:37:21preglowhahah
12:37:34tucozwhich reminds me, wonder who made the ubuntu dapper start sound. I like it.
12:37:35preglowB4gder: ahahahaha, nicety
12:37:58*B4gder wears the funny hat and stands in the corner
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12:38:39*tucoz gets reminded of my first years in school
12:38:49B4gderhey, we're way below 300 seconds now for all builds
12:39:01B4gdera couple of megabytes shaved off
12:40:23tucozNice
12:42:06*theli_ua just tested ported by him spectrum emulator on his iPod :D
12:44:20preglowdidn't someone post a patch to fix the next/prev picture behaviour on ipods?
12:45:15dwihnobut if the ipod builds aren't affected by the piezo patch, why are people hesitant regarding the inclusion?
12:45:23preglowno one are hesitant
12:45:27preglowi just haven't done it yet
12:45:40preglowand a feature freeze is a feature freeze anyway
12:45:44preglowi'd like to clear it before i do anything
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12:46:38dwihnobooo! :)
12:46:58CassandraArgh!
12:48:28JdGordonok, why isnt the uisim using my new code? ive run make a million times and it keeps using old code.. (the code is in the core so i shouldnt need to copy any files around after make for it to run...) ??
12:49:46JdGordonhahaha im such a dll.
12:50:01*JdGordon kicks self and replaces brain...
12:50:26markunBagder: Shall I add font7zip and full7zip?
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12:53:28markunBagder: and what about tar?
12:54:19B4gderI don't know, I don't think many people use those targets
12:55:11JdGordoncan some1 delete this comment? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338#comment7943
12:55:16JdGordonplz
12:55:20Moos12.30.43 # <B4gder> funny how nobody has mentioned it
12:55:35amiconnpreglow: Does your latest patch compile for archos?
12:55:38MoosB4gder: I did tell it to you yesterday
12:55:44preglowamiconn: i don't know, haven't tried yet, i think it does
12:56:14B4gderMoos: you forget that I'm blind and ignorant so I didn't see that
12:56:22Mooshehe :)
12:56:23markunB4gder: too bad that 7zip isn't used more. It saves a lot of space.
12:56:45Moos00.48.15 # <Moos> Bagder: oh, that seems there is something wrong with last CVS build, no .rockbox file, I first thought that it was relocalized in .rockbox dir, but apparently no
12:57:08B4gderMoos: I was in bed sleeping at that time
12:57:15B4gderI think
12:57:20Moosah ok :)
12:57:21B4gderor sleeping at least ;-)
12:57:31Moosnever read your logs? :p
12:57:38preglowi sure don't
12:57:42preglowtakes too much time these days
12:57:48Moosindeed
12:57:53preglowi scan through quickly to look for highlights on my nick, but i don't read it
12:57:57dongspiece of shit iTunesDB
12:58:04dongson shuffle you could place mp3s in / and it read them
12:58:26dongsbut on nano (and i guess others) it needs to be in iPod_Control/Music
12:58:31dongsshittastic
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13:00:43JdGordonare the files from the tree_context in the order shown in the tree? or can i now assume that?
13:00:59CassandraAlright, which one of you told Bagder he was allowed to sleep?
13:01:03MoosB4gder: is it planed to do same thing as for fonts for wps?
13:01:16B4gderno
13:01:23Moosok
13:01:36B4gderthey're different between targets and they're much smaller
13:01:42CassandraAlthough the WPS stuff is receiving a major overhaul.
13:01:48dongsanyone here know much about iTunesDB format?
13:01:59CassandraSo that the stuff that's installed will be specific to the targer.
13:02:07dongsi wonder why the fuck this worked on my shuffle and fails here :(
13:02:07Mooswe don't need all wps for each platform, no
13:02:14Cassandra(It's done. I just need to test it a bit more.)
13:02:22MoosCassandra: working on it or something?
13:02:25Moosoki
13:02:49CassandraIt's pretty nifty, even if I say so myself.
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13:03:38Cassandrain that it'll also allow us to remove a lot of duplicated .bmp files from CVS.
13:04:13Moosgreat then !
13:04:27markunJdGordon: Maybe you should add which screen res your player has (or at least which one it is) in your forum post..
13:05:03JdGordonmarkun: ye, probably should :p
13:05:37CassandraHas this trend for offering bounties for features taken off then?
13:05:57preglowobviously
13:06:25*Cassandra wonders if anyone has offered to donate bounty money to the Rockbox fund.
13:06:31preglowthey have
13:06:36dongsorly
13:06:40dongsbut did they?
13:06:59preglowi don't really know if anyone ever donates
13:07:09preglowall i know is that they say they do
13:14:42dongsvpod has a pretty good iTunesDB parser
13:14:50dongstoo bad its in C++ and written by a complete idiot
13:15:53Cassandrabtw - does anyone know why the directory cache config setting seems to have disappeared from my iPod?
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13:20:24CassandraGods, why is there no way to tell Windows to stop bugging me to reboot?
13:21:23preglowwouldn't be much left of windows then, would there?
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13:22:53dongsuh? reboot?
13:22:58dongsi havent rebooted my windows machines in weeks
13:23:33CassandraThen someone will probably hack it shortly.
13:24:05dongsperhaps you have no idea how to admin a windows machine
13:24:24B4gderdongs' sensitive area
13:24:35B4gder:-)
13:24:43peturCassandra: mine hasn't rebooted in quite some time too, but it's behind a firewall :P
13:25:27Cassandradongs: It's always possible, but since people have paid me quite considerable sums to do that very thing, it seems unlikely.
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13:26:07dongsreally.
13:26:16dongswell, there are a lot of stupid people then.
13:26:20dongs(im not denying that)
13:26:30preglowhahaha
13:26:39preglowone for good arguments, aren't you?
13:27:08dongsthe ONLY people I ever seen complain about windows were either a) lunix users b) clueless AMD users who had no idea how to use windows
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13:27:59B4gderhahaha
13:28:05preglowmet a lot of people, haven't you?
13:28:05B4gderyou don't get out much do you?
13:28:18JdGordonumm... if they were clueless theyd have prob bought a dell so wouldnt be amd users... but stilll clueless...
13:28:32dongsnow dell is bad too?
13:28:35CassandraWell, by all means flaunt your superiority by telling me how to apply Windows patches without rebooting. I'm always glad to learn new things.
13:28:36dongsi've heard it all
13:28:50dongswindows patches come out once a MONTH.
13:28:53preglow"yes"
13:28:56preglow"so it is"
13:29:02CassandraWell spotted.
13:29:11CassandraThe last set came out two days ago.
13:29:24CassandraThis is why my machine wants to reboot.
13:29:29dongsso why are you, being a "competent admin" rebooting TODAY?
13:29:44dongs(and complaining about it, especially if you know they were due 2 days ago)
13:29:49preglowsince when did that become a point?
13:29:54CassandraBecause I have two firewalls between me and the net, and I don't run IE.
13:30:05dongssounds like your loss
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13:30:31*petur slaps dongs with his AMD cpu
13:30:40*Mikachu hands dongs some ice
13:30:42dongsi find it funny that people will go out of the way not to use quality software, trying to find a solution to a non-existing problem
13:30:56Mikachuyeah, windows users are strange
13:31:01preglowand i find it amusing that some people thinks any operating system is flawless
13:31:16preglowbut hey
13:31:22preglowthere are idiots everywhere, like you say
13:31:27CassandraI like you, dongs. You're funny.
13:31:46JdGordoni see stupid people all around me... some dont even know they are stupid :D
13:31:48peturand why AMD users should be clueless - I find the opposite more true :P
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13:31:59*B4gder is an AMD user
13:32:04B4gderlots of AMDs around
13:32:07*preglow too
13:32:13*preglow hugs his athlon64
13:32:14peturonly idiots buy slow overheating crap
13:32:28dongswell, thats amd users
13:32:31markunpetur: like a dec alpha?
13:33:06preglowi haven't bothered checking intel out since pentium 4
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13:33:18CassandraJdGordon, I think it's called "the human condition" or something.
13:33:21Mikachuapparently those pentium m/d are pretty fast and not so hot
13:33:25Mikachubut i haven't tried myself
13:33:36preglowi don't upgrade too often
13:33:42*Mikachu warms his hands on an athlon xp 2ghz cpu
13:33:51Cassandrapreglow, it's looking as if Yonah may well be a better option than Althon64, at least in the short term.
13:33:56preglowi had a t-bird once, heh
13:34:02CassandraI'm eagerly awaiting the reviews.
13:34:10dongswhat
13:34:16preglowi don't very much follow hardware in between upgrades
13:34:20dongshttp://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2750
13:34:21Mikachuyeah i had a tbird .9ghz before this one
13:34:28dongs1.83ghz core duo beats amd in *every* benchmark
13:34:34preglowMikachu: i had a 1.4ghz tbird, also known as the hottest cpu ever
13:34:39CassandraI'm planning an upgrade later this year.
13:34:43dongsand that isnt even the fastest one, 2.16ghz one owns any existing cpu
13:34:49Mikachupreglow: ah, neat
13:35:01preglowMikachu: no
13:35:04Mikachudongs: one week amd is faster, the next week intel is faster, what else is new?
13:35:10dongsamd was never faster
13:35:13preglowahahahaha
13:35:19B4gderand now over to... emacs is a lot better than vi!
13:35:25B4gder;-P
13:35:26Mikachuyeah, intel and microsoft are the best companies ever, and kittens never pee
13:35:28preglowB4gder: it's not!!!!!!!!!11111111111
13:35:28CassandraSeems sensible to wait till Socket AM2 and Yonah come out, since I usually do the rolling upgrade thing.
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13:35:46CassandraIn some sense I've been using the same computer since 1994.
13:35:47dongsyonah has been out for like 5 months where have you been
13:36:00B4gderdongs is just our channel windows troll
13:36:18JdGordoni at least had sound with windows... fucking linux
13:36:18B4gderlet him run around and have fun
13:36:35preglowi've grown so used to linux trolls i forgot windows trolls existed
13:36:37markunJdGordon: that's more like it!
13:36:43dongsJdGordon: lol, dont even start there. once you get sounds in lunix working, try playing two at once.
13:36:51preglowdongs: works just fine
13:36:55Mikachui don't see the point of being a windows troll, unless you're steve ballmer
13:36:57preglowdepends on the driver
13:37:07preglowjust like in windows
13:37:11dongsreally?
13:37:13preglowyup
13:37:14dongsi've got news for you
13:37:20dongsit didnt "depend on the driver" in windows since 1995.
13:37:28B4gderyes it did
13:37:29Mikachudongs: apparently you get annoyed when i use facts about windows that are more than 4 weeks old, yet you use facts that are many years old about linux
13:37:31preglowyes it did
13:37:38B4gderof course it did even
13:37:38preglowi bloody well used a card that was like that two months ago
13:37:42preglowand i used it for a long time, so i would know
13:38:01B4gderbut it also depends on the driver on just about every darned OS there is
13:38:06preglowof course
13:38:12JdGordonok this is boring.. how bout we argue over how crap the ipod os is..
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13:38:21preglowJdGordon: there's no argument there...
13:38:33JdGordonso everyone can go back to idling
13:38:37markunIt's not THAT bad, is it?
13:38:48*B4gder never tried an iPod
13:38:48preglowmarkun: only thing nice about it is the design, if you ask me
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13:39:02B4gderI tried a few running Rockbox
13:39:08dongsand battery life?
13:39:19Paul_The_NerdIt looks slick. And I'll say their audiobook/podcast handling still has us somewhat beat.
13:39:42Cassandradongs, I stand corrected, I mean Conroe, not Yonah.
13:39:51dongsthats what I figured.
13:39:53ZagorPaul_The_Nerd: really? i've heard a lot of complaints from people that searching in audiobooks sucks big time
13:40:03dongsbut yonah already owns any current cpu, and conroe will only be faster.
13:40:36Paul_The_NerdZagor: I dunno. I liked it better than seeking long distances, since next-track jumped to preset points, so it was really easy to get 3/4 of the way through. Though, bookmarks beat that hands down anyway
13:41:03Paul_The_Nerddongs: We've established that you're a "Mainstream is better" kinda guy. Can we just drop all this.
13:41:08Mikachui like how audiobooks in ipods os automatically saves where you are, and doesn't affect your music playlist at all
13:41:11CassandraThere are some neat things about iPod OS, or more specifically about iTunes.
13:41:16Paul_The_NerdI'm personally anti-Intel simply out of prejudice toward the name Conroe.
13:41:38CassandraMany iPod users won't make the switch to Rockbox because they're wedded to iTunes dynamic playlists.
13:41:43Mikachuactually that's the podcast feature, but i put my audiobooks there
13:42:03Mikachuthat's put in past tense, damn you english
13:42:50CassandraAnd as far as chrome goes, the iPod OS looks way slicker than Rockbox.
13:43:08preglowno shit
13:43:16dongsPaul_The_Nerd: as i said, your loss
13:43:17CassandraOf course some of the custom WPS screens make iPod look dull.
13:43:18Mikachui'm not sure i like sliding screens that don't slide as soon as you've pressed play
13:43:26markundongs: do you know if there are a lot of Toshiba Gigabeat users in Japan?
13:43:41dongsnot sure. i havent even seen it on sale but i didnt really look.
13:44:02CassandraHmmm. Cleartype or ATM for Rockbox. That'd be nice.
13:44:13dongsfuzzy fonts = nice?
13:44:14Mikachuthat would require alpha blended drawing
13:44:20dwihnoYay! Someone suggesting antialiased fonts!
13:44:30dwihno\o/ Cassandra \o/
13:44:32Mikachuyou can get 3x the horizontal resolution with antialiasing on lcd screens
13:44:38Mikachui think
13:44:52preglowCassandra: amiconn will skin you once he reads this
13:44:53Cassandradwihno, I suspect it'd have a large overhead, unfortunately.
13:45:08CassandraMikachu, yeah, I remember seeing that article.
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13:45:27Mikachui've never looked at an actual lcd screen with proper subpixel aa though
13:45:29Cassandrapreglow, amiconn always hates anything I suggest to improve the UI. ;)
13:45:36dwihnoCassandra: Sounds reasonable... Perhaps some flashy caching might reduce the overhead
13:45:42Zagordongs: if yonan is superior, why does amd x2 beat it on half of these performance tests? http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2627&p=4
13:45:55dwihnoMerom!
13:45:57dwihnoConroe!
13:45:57CassandraIf it were up to him, I'm sure Rockbox'd run 80x25 VGA text. :)
13:46:00preglowZagor: through black magic and bribes
13:46:12Zagorpreglow: ah, I should have guessed
13:46:23preglowCassandra: no, that would be if it was up to me
13:46:26B4gdernow don't come bringing those darned facts
13:46:31B4gderit spoils a good argument
13:46:34preglowi want a good old fashioned ansi interface
13:47:00*Cassandra notes that the Jackash font has all the old DOS box graphics chars in it.
13:47:05Mikachupreglow: try ipl
13:47:21Cassandra(I designed it as a Linux console font back in the mists of time.)
13:47:44peturCassandra: new way to create the boxes wps :)
13:47:59CassandraFor some reason it hasn't translated to unicode well, which I can't understand since I went through it putting all the correct unicode codes in.
13:48:27Paul_The_NerdI saw a WPS somewhere that used all those characters to create the "graphics" and actually quite liked it.
13:48:31Cassandrapetur, I was originally thinking of doing that, but by the time I could get jackash ported, there wasn't really a need any more.
13:48:49CassandraPaul_The_Nerd, did you? Can you remember where?
13:51:06Paul_The_NerdCassandra: I honestly cannot. I want to think it was posted in our forums. It caught my attention because I saw a screenshot that looked like a graphical WPS, but only a .wps file was linked.
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13:52:16Paul_The_NerdCassandra: There's one that does it somewhat in the Ipod Mini gallery, but it's not the one I'm remembering
13:52:21preglowhttp://www.pvv.org/~thomj/ansi/png/BK-PMATR.png <- what i want my rockbox to look like
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13:53:25Cassandrapreglow: You're weird.
13:53:40CassandraAnd you smell funny.
13:54:07preglowaccurate description thus far
13:55:04preglowi'm most certainly going to make wps like that some time
13:55:24dongsthat would acutally be awesome
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13:55:30dongsjust write a ansi console driver.
13:55:37dongsand all WPSs are in text mode.
13:55:41*Cassandra boggles at the WPS gallery.
13:55:42dongsquick, start a bug on this.
13:55:46preglowwell, they pretty much are right now
13:56:01dongsi dont think you can do per-letter coloring now though
13:56:04preglowjust needs some wps patches and it'll work
13:56:08CassandraI mean I thought the people who wanted Rockbox to look like Winamp were nuts
13:56:09B4gderhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
13:56:11preglowyeah, you need per-letter colouring
13:56:18Cassandrabut .... Media Player Classic?#
13:56:23B4gderthere's fonts there now
13:56:34preglowhttp://www.pvv.org/~thomj/ansi/png/PRM-HVA.png
13:56:38preglowgod, i want to make wpses now
13:57:02dongshuhuhu
13:58:12preglowwasn't there a page that displayed all fonts?
13:58:28B4gderyes there is
13:58:32B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/fonts/
13:58:33preglowor can anyone recommend me a program that lets me view these bastards on my pc?
13:58:45B4gderpretty old one
13:59:23CassandraB4gder, that page is quite out of date.
13:59:29B4gderyes indeed
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14:00:24Cassandraalt8x8 is an old PC console font too, I see.
14:00:39adam_where is a list of supported devices for rockbox?
14:01:18preglowomfg, alt8x8 will do nicely
14:01:18B4gderon the front page
14:01:58Cassandrapreglow, I believe that like jackash it's modified to be proportional.
14:02:23adam_so nothing for creative zen
14:02:39CassandraNope. Feel free to port it.
14:02:40Paul_The_NerdCassandra: It looks fixed on the site.
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14:03:11B4gdernow the daily builds table includes a daily font package
14:03:15adam_rockbox, more like cockbox rite?
14:03:31dongshy abortion
14:03:35CassandraAdam - are you related to dongs by any chance?
14:03:39B4gderadam_: correct, no one has started anything on a zen
14:03:45preglowargh, proportional won't do
14:03:49adam_i didnt think so
14:03:55adam_hi dongs
14:03:58dongslol
14:04:08B4gderthe zen is dm230 based though
14:04:12CassandraPossibly by a bond of universal brotherhood then, or something.
14:04:16B4gderwork on that would open lots of more ports
14:04:42B4gders/dm230/dm320
14:04:48preglowwhy is everyone going dm320? dirt cheap or something?
14:04:53B4gderyes
14:04:58markunadam_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TexasInstrumentsTMS320
14:05:07CassandraI think it's so sweet that Rockbox is getting popular enough to have trolls.
14:05:09B4gderI think its a low price tag for lots performance
14:05:42B4gderpreglow: accordin to Neuros they found no alternative that could compete
14:06:04B4gderor at least I interpreted it that way
14:06:04preglowtouch luck it's got no specs, then
14:06:06preglowtough too
14:06:11adam_hey, what about a replacement thing for the sony walkman phone walkman program?
14:06:42B4gderadam_: feel free to start all those ports
14:06:45markunadam_: any idea what kind of hardware is in there?
14:06:46Cassandraadam_, there's a problem with phone based software.
14:06:59B4gdermarkun: those phones are often arm based
14:07:01adam_i never feel anything other than free to do anything
14:07:07adam_but thanks for the encouragement
14:07:23adam_i have the w810i
14:07:32CassandraMost carriers insist on any phone software that runs on their network being authorised.
14:07:34adam_the software is pretty good
14:07:50CassandraTo the extent that they will block phones with unauthorised software.
14:07:55adam_i recommend you discontinue all work on rockbox and buy a sony ericsson w810i with a large memory card
14:07:58amiconnCassandra: I'd say forget about font antialiasing. Font drawing is already dead slow on colour targets
14:08:06CassandraThis is mostly because the mobile phone infrastructure is a bit shit.
14:08:18adam_Cassandra the programs arent running on their network
14:08:20B4gderadam_: how do you insert the harddrive in the memory card slot? ;-)
14:08:22adam_they are running on the phones
14:08:36CassandraI'm hoping to see mobile services migrate to a solution based upon wireless POPs and VoIP>
14:08:36peturadam_: can you record lossless (and good quality sound) with that phone?
14:08:42adam_b4gder you buy a sony(tm) memory card
14:08:50CassandraThen we can look at running Rockbox on phones.
14:08:51B4gderadam_: they fit harddrives? wow
14:08:54adam_petur: it's a phone, i'd hope the microphone is good enough for that
14:09:00CassandraBut it's not likely to happen before then.
14:09:03*amiconn would rather want another improvement that was discussed for quite some time: combined wps graphics
14:09:19dongsjaps have a *new* phone with 4gb micro-hdd in it. the most retarded business decision ever.
14:09:21CassandraReally I just want someone to write a plugin called PhoneBox.
14:09:23*amiconn doesn't want all the wasted cluster slack and dead slow wps loading
14:09:28preglowindeed, but not like a huge bitmap blob
14:09:31dongsi mean, when 4gb of flash costs less than a 4gb hdd, waht the fuck were they thinking
14:09:33preglowfind a nice solution first ;)
14:09:35peturadam_: i mean quality phone, not something designed for 200-3000Hz
14:09:45markundongs: yes, sounds crazy
14:09:57CassandraI believe we decided to stick them in tar files for 3.1
14:10:01dongshttp://www.engadget.com/2006/01/19/toshibas-w41t-4gb-music-phone-for-japans-au/ < dumb.
14:10:11amiconnEven if I would find a graphical wps that I like (maybe icatcher, after some tweakling) I wouldn't want to use it right now
14:10:11markundongs: and probably uses a lot more power, is damaged easilly when dropped..
14:10:21amiconnLoading a graphical wps takes _ages_
14:10:33preglownot on nano
14:10:33preglow:)
14:10:40dongsits also heavy and ugly as fuck
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14:11:09dongsthat puke green color looks even worse in real as opposed to photo
14:11:46adam_dongs: it looks like it could be a transformer from the old cartoon series
14:12:05amiconnI still like the single bitmap idea more than tar file
14:12:24adam_i could get a 2gb card for my phone for ú106
14:12:27adam_not too bad
14:12:50B4gderand I like the tar idea more than the single bitmap ;-)
14:13:09markundongs: maybe they explain it here: http://www.toshiba.co.jp/product/etsg/cmt/au/w41t/w41t_01_nf.htm
14:13:43dongstheres nothing interesting on that page
14:13:45dongsother than usual sales shit
14:14:06dongslol, you can save up to half a gig of PC data to it
14:14:11dongsi wonder why they hard limited it like that
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14:14:26amiconnmarkun: The ipod retailos is crap by definition, as it's tied to crappy pc software
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14:14:53Mikachudongs: i like how half of the text on that top graphic is molested english
14:15:02preglowi like tar idea better than a single bitmap
14:15:09preglowon the grounds of it not being a pain in the ass for wps developers
14:15:24dongsthat hasnt stopped thousands of winamp skins
14:15:24CassandraI think most of us are happier with tar.
14:15:31dongsi think you underestimate the target audience.
14:15:47preglowthe wps developers i spoke to seemed to agree
14:15:52*petur is with amiconn
14:16:12Mikachuskinners will overcome any obstacle
14:16:24Mikachuthey even skinned winamp before winamp had skinning support
14:16:44dongswhy the fuck ipod insists i have to specify "artist" name in the list
14:16:45dongsdamn
14:16:52peturthey do the same with original DAP firmwares :)
14:16:58Mikachubut i also like tar better than single bitmap
14:17:02preglowall related bitmaps should be put in one bitmap, though
14:17:07dongsspeaking of tar
14:17:07preglowif they aren't already
14:17:15JdGordondo both together... piss everyone off :D
14:17:17Mikachupetur: i even found a program to change the ascii font on my nvidia card
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14:17:36preglowwhy'd you want to replace that beautiful font?
14:17:46Mikachuyeah i don't know
14:17:48dongsall of au/KDDI newer phones that download shit use some variation of tar format for its multimedia data. songs with album art/lyrics etc come in a tar, as well as syncronized multimedia packages and shit like that.
14:17:48Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Play/Pause/Stop icons, for example, being a single fixed-width bitmap?
14:17:51Paul_The_NerdOr fixed height
14:17:55Mikachui used it to remove the idiotic 2 second delay at bootup though
14:18:43tucozmarkun, how's the gigabeat port progressing?
14:19:16markuntucoz: we're still figuring out how all the hardware is connected by writing little test apps
14:19:34markuntucoz: logs of our adventures: http://www.hack.id.au/files/gigabeat/irc/gigabeat/
14:19:37tucozso you execute code on it? In linux?
14:19:43tucozah. cool
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14:19:47preglowPaul_The_Nerd: yeah
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14:19:51preglowPaul_The_Nerd: and the codec bitmaps, etc
14:19:58markunyes, we have a gigabeat connected to a computer with a USB NIC
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14:20:49zigfordchocolate biscuit
14:20:54dj-fugigabeat yessa
14:20:57dongsMikachu: what 2 seconds delay
14:21:10tucozyou work collaboratively on one gigabeat?
14:21:11Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: That's my preference too honestly.
14:21:32Mikachudongs: the one while showing "this is an nvidia 6200 etc we rule you suck" before the mb bios is reached
14:21:44markuntucoz: well, shonky and I write the code and gtkspert looks at his gigabeat to see if anything happens :)
14:21:51dongsoic
14:21:52tucozhehe. cool
14:21:59dongsoh that gigabeat.
14:22:03dongsyea i think i saw this shit on sale
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14:22:06dongsit looked megadum
14:22:24B4gderyou have such a nice way with words dongs
14:22:31markundongs: sure
14:22:53markundongs: but with rockbox it will be a lot better
14:22:57dongslol @ 300 bucks for a music player that will die after you drop it once
14:23:22markundongs: http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=D79FD1AF-3048-2906-EAEF0FF393B4F318
14:23:36peturlearn to be a bit more carefull with your stuff!
14:23:37markunhe dropped it once and it didn't die :)
14:23:38*tucoz notices that the #gigabeat logs are a quicker read than #rockbox
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14:25:42zigfordI like the bit about putting it into a small pocket
14:26:01markundongs: what made you think they break faster than other 300 buck players?
14:26:53dongsi would never waste 300 on a music player
14:26:59dongsso thats not a concern for me
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14:27:34markundongs: compared to a free ipod the gigabeat is crap of course :)
14:28:00dongsagreed
14:28:11dongsbut its also crap because i would have absolutely no use for it
14:28:21dongsespecialy the space
14:28:40dongsits too slow to be used for storage, and if i wanted to play video on a 2.4" qvga i can already do that on my phone
14:28:42tucozso the Koreans are interested in the Gigabeat as well.
14:28:43Paul_The_NerdI like how your definition of "Crap" seems to simply be "Things you don't like."
14:28:44markunForgot you have a nano
14:28:55dongsyes.
14:29:00dongsdo oyu ahve a problem with that?
14:29:03markuntucoz: which koreans?
14:29:10tucozJungtil234
14:29:23Mikachuthat is a 1
14:29:25markuntucoz: He has 2 irivers already :)
14:29:35tucozjust saw his nick in the gigabeat logs
14:29:52Paul_The_Nerddongs: Generally speaking, when someone calls an object crap it implies that the object itself is flawed, rather than it simply being useless to them.
14:29:58Genre9mp3markun: I saw some pics of the Gigabeat, As I understanded from the pics, in the retail OS you can use the screen both vertical and horizontal, right?
14:30:11dongsprobably
14:30:13markunGenre9mp3: yes, that's right
14:30:40tucozGenre9mp3, you made the icatcher wps right?
14:30:42Genre9mp3It seems a cool player to me...I don't like the cross very much, though
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14:30:54Genre9mp3tucoz: yes
14:31:09tucozI like it. Nice work
14:31:15Gandalf21where i can download arm-elf-gcc for linux? i use ubuntu
14:31:22dongsyou dont
14:31:25dongsyou read the wiki how to build it
14:31:26dongsand do it
14:31:30Genre9mp3tucoz: Thank you very much...glad you like it
14:31:46dongsGandalf21: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
14:31:49Gandalf21dongs...are u tolking to me?
14:31:54dongsyes
14:32:08CassandraOoh, cool. KarmaEQ will allow me to work out the correct EQ settings for flat response for my headphones.
14:32:20CassandraAll I need is the actual frequency response data.
14:32:37tucozCassandra, have you considered including Genre9mp3's wps in CVS?
14:33:00Gandalf21ok
14:33:23Cassandratucoz: We've not had any submissions for a while, I think.
14:33:35tucozwhat do you mean?
14:33:42dongsits ok but i dont like that icatcher breaks with my font.
14:33:45dongsand look all purple.
14:33:48Cassandratucoz: I'd like to see more WPSes that work at more than one resolution, myself.
14:33:59Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: They're supposed to submit them to the patch tracker if they want inclusion.
14:34:06Cassandratucoz, for copyright reasons, we can't just put any wps we'd like into Rockbox.
14:34:07tucozMe too. And that is ported to all the wps targets.
14:34:11peturbut it is
14:34:12Genre9mp3Cassandra: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5297
14:34:15B4gdericatcher is submitted
14:34:17tucozI see.
14:34:27Moos and for all platforms
14:34:32CassandraB4gder, ah, OK.
14:34:49CassandraLet me commit my changes to the wps building and then I'll have a look at it.
14:35:13Gandalf21dongs can u help me?
14:35:31tucozGoodie. As I've said before, that is in my opinion a candidate as a default theme
14:35:40B4gderI agree
14:35:42dongsGandalf21: with?
14:35:44markunme too
14:35:46dongsthe instructions are as clear as it gets
14:35:52dongsyou download 2 files, and type in like 3 commands
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14:36:07tucoz...If we use the rockbox blue theme for the colour targets
14:36:09dongsbut you can ask somethign specific.
14:36:09Gandalf21i have binutils and gcc already installed
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14:36:27dongsnot for arm-elf OBVIOUSLY
14:36:28Genre9mp3Wow...thank all for this... :)
14:36:36dongswhich is what that document talks about building
14:36:42theli_uacool.. i see terminus fonts are submitted :) ... B4gder , thanx :)
14:36:46markunGenre9mp3: he's always this friendly
14:37:00Gandalf21but i have to uninstall gcc and binutils i have installed ?
14:37:03dongsno
14:37:17dongsyou build arm-elf versions using the ones you have installed. duh.
14:37:24CassandraHmm - it requires the album art patch.
14:37:24linuxstbtheli_ua: Have you started work on a spectrum emulator port, or are you just thinking about it?
14:37:31tucozRow 3, Column 2 : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11590
14:37:42markunGandalf21: just try it first. If it fails you can always ask some more.
14:37:44preglowlinuxstb: did you try the vorbis patch for the ifp port?
14:37:45dj-fuanything interesting happening in CVS atm?
14:37:46theli_ualinuxstb almost done
14:37:50dj-fuhaven't pu a daily build on for a few weeks
14:37:53MoosGenre9mp3: it seems your wps made unanimity :)
14:37:54Paul_The_NerdWow. I thought *I* was the gruff, belligerent support guy.
14:38:01Gandalf21it fails!
14:38:15linuxstbpreglow: No, I haven't been able to do anything Rockbox related recently.
14:38:19theli_uaB4gder, there was no need in 12b font cause 6x12 normal and bold are identical
14:38:20Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Vorbis patch iFP port?
14:38:25preglowi'll try it, then
14:38:27Genre9mp3Cassandra: If you are talking about iCatcher, there is a default version in the tracker
14:38:28B4gdertheli_ua: oh
14:38:32dj-fuPaul_The_Nerd, you've got gruff, beligerent support guy confused with irc troll
14:38:35CassandraOh, right.
14:38:51Genre9mp3...and it is for all targets
14:38:58linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: The iFP porter posted some small ARM optimisations to Tremor and libmad on his website.
14:39:23B4gdertheli_ua: thanks, removing the bold one again
14:39:31Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Aaah. I checked the wiki like, a day or two ago, but don't ever go to his site.
14:40:05theli_ualinuxstb, the emulator is just ported spectemu... it lacks sound and user input .. :)
14:40:07Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: Yeah, I tend to avoid the words "obviously" and "duh" and merely imply them. ;-)
14:40:13linuxstbtheli_ua: I'll be happy to have a look at it, and (post-3.0) help optimise it. Which target are you working on?
14:40:16tucozPaul_The_Nerd == Llorean?
14:40:19dongsanyone know the reason ipod wants mp3s in those random dirs inside iPod_Control? is it because they use fat and no long filenames? or what
14:40:36dongsi tried making iTunesDB with a filename with a "'" in it and it didnt want to read it
14:40:36Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: Yessir
14:40:37B4gdertucoz: bingo!
14:40:50tucozPaul_The_Nerd, quite impressive work in the forums there
14:40:56Genre9mp3Moos: It seems that dongs breaks this unanimity! :)
14:41:04theli_ualinuxstb, i have iPod mini and for now i test emulator on it and sim for ipod mini and video (big screen) :)
14:41:07dj-fudongs, It's so it's a pain in the ass, and very much like the rest of mac. pain in the ass.
14:41:16MoosGenre9mp3: haha :D
14:41:16dongsheh
14:41:22dongswell, i'd liek a more technical answer.
14:41:23Paul_The_Nerddongs: Arbitrary choice on Apple's hand, as far as anyone can tell.
14:41:31dj-furead manpage for libtunesdb?
14:41:33preglowouchouchouch
14:41:37preglowthat patch did not go well with gcc here
14:41:37Paul_The_Nerddongs: They recently (newest versions) made it even more restrictive.
14:41:50PaulJamCassandra: if you'r looking for frequency response data of your headphones you might find this site useful: http://www.headphone.com/technical/product-measurements/build-a-graph/
14:42:00tucozhehe, Hero Member :)
14:42:07linuxstbtheli_ua: What's the resolution of the spectrum's screen? Also, how fast is the emulation at the moment?
14:42:19dongsPaul_The_Nerd: i am wondering that. because like I said, on my shuffle iwas able to write iTunesDB with :rootdir:file.mp3 and it would pick it up. but on the nano which I upgraded with latest firmware, its refusing to play anything unless its in :iPod_Control:Music:
14:42:38CassandraThanks Paul. It has my headphones, but still only in graph form. Pfeh.
14:42:42Paul_The_Nerddongs: As I said, the newest versions are more restrictive. That's the new restriction. ;-)
14:42:46CassandraI need *numbers* dammit!
14:42:50theli_ualinuxstb, 256x192 .. i can make a build for your target and mail you with a demo snapshot so you can look at it
14:42:52dongsshitty.
14:43:10dongsi wonder why they're bothering
14:43:27amiconnlinuxstb: Spectrum is 256x192, plus solid border colour around that
14:43:28theli_ualinuxstb, just want to clear and make it usable before submitting to tracker
14:43:32Cassandradongs, in order to annoy me, I suspect.
14:43:36*amiconn is too slow
14:43:44Paul_The_Nerddongs: Obfuscating the filenames makes it more difficult for the absolutely lay user to share his music with others by way of the ipod.
14:43:56linuxstbtheli_ua: That's OK - I'll wait for you to publish your patch. Seems perfect for the 5g, but annoyingly just a little too bit for the 220x176 displays...
14:43:57JdGordonis it safe to do %0 ?
14:44:08linuxstbs/bit/big/
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14:45:20tucozSo in reality, there is no problem sharing music on the ipods as long as the files are tagged properly, and are renamed useing the tags?
14:45:28preglowmmmm, distortion
14:45:29Genre9mp3BTW..I was wondering, how the compiler chooses the WPSes for each target, anyone know?
14:45:38dongstucoz: yea
14:45:40CassandraBTW yes, I do.
14:45:41dongstucoz: but tagging fucking sucks
14:45:46dongsi just want my shit in dir/track or somethign
14:46:10linuxstbdongs: Then you simply can't use Apple's firmware.
14:46:13CassandraCurrently it (not a compiler but a shell script, actually) picks the ones that are of lower or equal resolution,.
14:46:27CassandraThe new version will pick only those of the same resolution.
14:46:28Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: As long as the files aren't DRMed, yeah, you can run a mass rename from tag after copying them back to the computer and they'll be fine.
14:46:36Genre9mp3The resolution is on the name?
14:46:42tucozPaul_The_Nerd, I see.
14:46:46CassandraIt is in the new version.
14:46:46Genre9mp3eg. boxes220x176c?
14:46:56CassandraIt used to be stored in a seperate file.
14:46:57linuxstbGenre9mp3: There is a "WPSLIST" file which is used for that.
14:47:27tucozin the wps folder in the source tree
14:47:31Genre9mp3Oh...so there is no need to "name" the files like that, right?
14:47:39linuxstbNo - that's just a convention.
14:47:47CassandraNot until I commit the new patch, no.
14:47:55linuxstbAh...
14:47:55CassandraAlthough the convention is changing slightly.
14:48:05amiconnCassandra: You need to differentiate between graphical wps'es which most often only work for one specific resolution, and generic wps'es which will work for a range of resolutions
14:48:07preglowtomal's patch cuts from 50% to 28% boost on a 162kbps ogg file, but there's some distortion now
14:48:10Cassandrawps-widthxheightxdepth
14:48:12Genre9mp3Why not organize the WPS in subdirs for each resolution?
14:48:34Cassandraamiconn, text wpses are treated differently.
14:48:58linuxstbAnother minor issue is date/time tags, and tags for remote hold - those are target, not LCD size/depth dependent....
14:49:12CassandraGenre9mp3, because it would result in unnecessary duplication of bmp files.
14:49:16preglowjust need to find the bug, and this is definitely commit material
14:49:31Cassandralinuxstb, I consider the system to be a work in progress.
14:49:55CassandraNot that we have any text wpses in CVS at the moment, which I think is a shame.
14:49:57Genre9mp3Cassandra: This is already done...for wpses for all targets...or am I wrong?
14:50:14Genre9mp3everyone has its own folder
14:50:49Moospreglow: any luck with musepack?
14:51:10amiconnlinuxstb: Ah, yes. An obvious example is archos recorder vs. archos Ondio. Recorder has an RTC, Ondio does not
14:51:20CassandraGenre9mp3, it is yes, but the new patch fixes this.
14:51:31*Cassandra should get off my arse and do final testing so I can commit it.
14:51:45preglowMoos: no, i'm doing other stuff in the meantime, i don't feel like fixing snowgoon's patch right now
14:51:58Genre9mp3Cassandra: How the new patch do that?
14:52:08linuxstbamiconn: I was thinking of iPod 4G and H1x0...
14:52:48Moospreglow: the patch I'm using made lot of performance gain plus seeking, isn't it suffisent for initial commit?
14:52:50amiconnYes, same thing
14:52:50Genre9mp3But anyway, I think that the naming is a bit ugly for the user...
14:52:54CassandraGenre9mp3, by storing all the bmps relating to a particular WPS for all resolutions in the same folder.
14:53:22preglowMoos: seeking is broken
14:53:23CassandraGenre9mp3, this is why the new system renames it to just the name of the wps.
14:53:27preglowMoos: trying seeking backwards, for instance
14:53:42Genre9mp3Cassandra: Then, that's cool
14:54:27Moospreglow: I'm using the version patch updated before the last one, and definitively seeking here, and significatively cut down boost ratio
14:54:46Moospreglow: is the seeking broken in your last patch?
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14:54:56Genre9mp3The cfg files for the wps (themes) are generated by the compiler?
14:55:55Moospreglow: so *far* better than CVS .mpc version anyway
14:57:07CassandraGenre9mp3, by the same script, yes.
14:57:28preglowMoos: track just skips here if i try to seek backwards
14:57:38preglowalso, i don't think the current seek table implementation will work for long mpcs
14:57:42Moosoh?
14:57:59Moosdid you radicaly change things in last patch version?
14:58:04preglowlooks like it assumes that the sons always fits in the buffer
14:58:07*JdGordon has insert directory tree in random order working.. for real this time :D
14:58:24preglowno, i didn't change much at all, i just removed all the tabs and merged it with my gapless stuff
14:58:31Moosok
14:58:57Moosdo you think we can hope for 3.0? :)
14:59:12preglowdepends
14:59:27preglowlooks to me like we'll be extending until late may
14:59:28preglowso perhaps
14:59:29Mooson you? :P
14:59:41Mooswee then :)
14:59:42preglowhaha, i don't think anyone else will do it, at least
14:59:48Moosindeed
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15:01:11tucozpreglow: And if marsdaddy is pleased with his wma codec before the end of may, will you be able to keep your optimizing fingers of that?
15:01:18Moospersonally I can so far live with the patch I'm using, but I thought more for people doesn't using patches and having the cvs mpc version with a lot of cpu activity + no seeking at all
15:01:21tucoz*off of
15:01:48preglowtucoz: i don't think it probable that'll happen
15:01:55preglowin any case i almost certainly won't have time
15:03:35preglowbesides, a new codec almost certainly is a feature
15:03:45preglowso i think it should be kept out of a stable release
15:03:57tucozthat is true
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15:21:09tempiamiconn, do you have a second? or anyone else who understands how backlight dimming on ipods work? i try to fix a bug in iPodLoader2...
15:23:18dongsim pulling this out of my ass but i think they have a thread that starts and changes brightness.
15:23:25tempithe problem is that recent changes to loader2.4 (in beta) are having an effect on the apple firmware when loaded: the backlight turn on/off without the dimming effect any more. this only happens on 4G and Photo models, but not on 5G (Video) models. I like to understand how the fading works so i can underdtand the problem
15:23:27dongsor at least i remember seing somethign to that effect
15:25:02Gandalf21have i to use the patch after compiling rockbox or first?
15:25:05tempii like to understand how the dimming is achieved. is it done by quickly toggling the light on/off or is there a D/A value that i changed?
15:25:30dongstempi: if you look at backlight.c in firmware dir
15:25:32dongsit depends on the model
15:25:33preglowipods have native dimming
15:25:33tempi.. that gets changed, i mean
15:25:37preglowbut we use pwm dimming
15:26:12preglow4g and photo models use native dimming, afaik
15:26:13tempihmm, so it could be anything... darn
15:26:17dongspreglow: correct
15:26:17preglowso that's probably your problem
15:26:36tempiaha, then it could be a register i may have "damaged" in loader2
15:27:00tempido you know if 5Gs use a diffrerent dimming method?
15:27:02dongs outl(inl(0x70000084) & ~0x2000000, 0x70000084);
15:27:02dongs outl(0x80000000, 0x7000a010);
15:27:08dongstempi: this is 4g fade out
15:27:17dongsnano uses a single outl
15:27:19dongsto turn off.
15:27:22linuxstbtempi: The 5g has the same backlight code as the Nano - which is different to the 4g/Photo
15:27:22dongs(is that 5g?)
15:27:29tempiyou mean, you just flip one switch and it does the dimming on its own?
15:27:39dongsyes
15:27:43dongson 4g/photo
15:27:50preglowi think all ipods can do it, we just don't know how
15:28:01tempiyes, the issue is only on 4g/photo, not on 5g(video)
15:28:13dongsmaybe that command is wrong then
15:28:18tempisomething in loader causes the 4g/photo dimming to not work any more.
15:28:24dongsnice
15:28:31tempii wonder if there's another setting to make the dimming active (versus quick on/off)
15:28:34dongsin rockbox? or anywhere
15:29:20tempiin general. i need to find the cause for the dimming to get turned into a quick on/off
15:29:43dongsthe comments in backlight.c arent really helping.
15:29:47*amiconn doesn't care about dimming in retailos, he even removed retailos from the firmware partition :)
15:29:59tempiif the hardware can do the dimming, then i imagine that the hardware can also be told to not slowly dim but turn on/off immediately, and maybe loader2 sets this mode by accident
15:29:59dongsthey're jsut writing random numbers to random io ports.
15:30:32JdGordonwhats 16K in hex?
15:30:36amiconnPerhaps setting the port bit to high-z causes the hardware dimming
15:30:38tempi0x4000
15:30:42JdGordonta
15:30:51preglowtempi: that's 16384
15:30:56dongstempi: on 4G, port 0x70000084 seems to control dimming according to sores. are you guys poking anything random in that area?
15:31:22tempipreglow, isn't 16384 = 16K?
15:31:31JdGordonpreglow: thats what i actually meant
15:31:41tempidongs, will check
15:31:43preglowtempi: 16k is 16000, if you ask me, heh
15:31:54dongspreglow: do you sell hard drives?
15:32:00B4gderhahaha
15:32:02dongs:D
15:32:03preglowdongs: yes
15:32:07dongsi can tell
15:32:12preglowlots of them
15:32:18preglowno, but k means 'kilo', you see
15:32:21preglowguess what kilo means
15:32:30dongshe did use a capital K
15:32:32dongsnot that it matters
15:32:39preglowshoulda been Ki!
15:32:42tempipreglow, you nitpick. you are german, aren't you?
15:32:47linuxstb1 kilo = 2.2lbs
15:32:51preglowtempi: i can pretend i am
15:32:51tempilol
15:33:05tempi1 kilo = 500g
15:33:15tempihehe
15:33:20B4gderhow many bytes is there in 2.2lbsbytes?
15:33:49daurn|afk???
15:33:51daurn|afkwtf
15:33:53tempihmm, good question, and it probably varies depending on the CPU - little or big endian mode
15:34:50daurn|afkB4gder: 1024
15:34:51daurn|afk:P
15:35:02dongsthat would be 0.1247379 kg / bit.
15:35:17daurn|afkdongs: wtf????
15:35:32dongsduno, they're asking.
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15:35:49daurn|afk2.2lbsbytes = 1 kilobyte = 1024 bytes = 8192 bits
15:36:07JdGordon2.2lbs/kg is there?
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15:37:04MikachuK never means anything as a prefix... it's k or ki
15:37:15preglowamen
15:37:17linuxstbKelvin?
15:37:26Mikachuthat's not a prefix though
15:38:13daurn|afkK = kelvin, k = kilo, ki = kilo (si)
15:38:23dongsif 1kg was 1kilobyte then you'd have 0.056699046 kg/bit.
15:39:34Genre9mp3Yes...and I couldn't imagine someone carry a 400GB HDD! lol
15:40:40Mikachuki is kibi, not kilo :)
15:41:02Mikachukilo = 1000*, kibi = 1024*
15:41:30CassandraHmmm. My H140 has mysteriously run down from full charge.
15:42:09Cassandra160GB should be enough to store my entire collection losslessly.
15:43:29CassandraDid someone break the button driver recently, or is this unresponsiveness a weird symptom of H140 now battery?
15:43:58linuxstbCassandra: Seen this thread for a potential 160GB swcodec port? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978.0
15:44:37JdGordonhow many directory names could u get into a 16kib string?
15:45:03B4gderJdGordon: it depends on their lengths
15:45:10linuxstb:)
15:45:10JdGordonwell duh! :D
15:45:14petur64 minimum?
15:45:18Cassandralinuxstb, I'll believe it when it happens.
15:45:37JdGordonany1 wanna have a nice guess for a max?
15:45:42MikachuJdGordon: 8192
15:45:42amiconnlinuxstb: It'll mean somewhat more work than just figuring out hardware access
15:45:54MikachuJdGordon: if they are all assumed to be two characters long
15:45:56CassandraK has always meant 1024 in computing.
15:46:10CassandraWhatever hard drive manufacturers would like you to think.
15:46:16JdGordonMikachu: na, for sure more than 2 chars long each.. im tihnking min of 8 chars
15:46:23JdGordonmax of 8 i mean
15:46:27tempiCassandra, right you are
15:46:28JdGordonos 2048
15:47:02Mikachuit is sort of useless to talk about kilo and mega bytes (as in not 1024 multiples)
15:47:11amiconnSomeone needs to implement lba48 in the ata driver
15:47:50B4gderamiconn: we could possibly get inspiration from openneo on that part
15:47:55tempihere's a funny thing: as europeans we learned that "l" means liter. so 1l is one liter.
15:47:58B4gderthey have lba48 support
15:48:08tempibut for US americans, they need to write: 1L.
15:48:10B4gderand its based on our code
15:48:42Mikachuus units are stupid
15:48:50tempibecause their typewriters originally had no "1" - it was the SAME as "l". therefore, they were not able to distinguish between 1l and 11
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15:49:30tempi(still this font i am now using makes l and 1 look almost identical...)
15:50:08CassandraHappens a lot. Distributed Proofreaders even have a font that makes these things look especially different.
15:55:50CassandraOK. My current build of Rockbox locks all the keys when the remote is in. It's from a couple of days ago. Anyone know what's up?
15:56:08amiconnB4gder: I don't think it will be overly complicated to add lba48 support. The good thing about disks >128GB is that they seem to clamp themselves to 128GB as long as they're addressed via lba28
15:56:43B4gderI remember reading their patch for it and it looked fairly "simple"
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15:56:51amiconnOne user put a 160GB disk in an archos, and it shows up as a 128GB (real-GB) disk both via USB and in rockbox
15:57:27JdGordonisnt there a problem where the usb chip can only access 128Gb-1 or something?
15:57:44B4gdersure
15:57:59B4gderbut we're talking (possible) targets without that limit
15:58:06JdGordonoh
15:59:27CassandraRight. I officially declare this patch ready to commit.
15:59:27linuxstbDo we know if that Chinese player has a USB bridge capable of lba48?
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16:00:01B4gderlinuxstb: we don't know
16:00:20B4gdersome wording on the telechip page makes it sound as if the telechip handles it
16:00:27B4gderbut I'm certainly not sure
16:00:52B4gderI mean handles the bridging
16:01:34linuxstbAll I can see is "USB 2.0 Device/Host" (for the tcc761)
16:02:01tempiBTW, iPodLoader 2.4b5, which I will release in a few minutes, has a Rockbox fix in it: When it defaults to starting Rockbox, it will wait in case the user has engaged the HOLD switch. A user had suggested this.
16:02:56linuxstbWhat do you mean by "wait"? What does it wait for?
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16:03:32B4gderlinuxstb: the 72x spec says "IDE Interface for HDD or USB 2.0 device"
16:03:52B4gderI think that was what I read but now I don't think that is a bridge
16:05:09linuxstbOK. From my couple of emails with "portable", it seems that their aim is to first port Rockbox to the newer (i.e. currently being manufactured) tcc761 devices, and then maybe try a tcc721 port later.
16:05:19B4gderaha
16:05:38tempiit waits for the user to unlock it. It will show a message: "release HOLD to start rockbox".
16:06:01tempithat way, a user can not accidentally reset his settings (which i was told it would when it starts with HOLD engaged)
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16:08:10peturchuckie? that's lode runner
16:08:16linuxstbtheli_ua: Chuckie Egg is also my favourite memory from those times (and the only game I would play...)
16:08:23linuxstbpetur: No, that's Chuckie Egg...
16:08:44peturbloody small screen :)
16:08:49theli_uahehe
16:09:05linuxstbAlthough the Spectrum version is the worse due to the colour clashes.
16:09:10theli_ualook at this : http://theli.ho.com.ua/chuckie_mini.png
16:09:12theli_ua:D
16:09:34theli_uaneed some more work on mapping colors :)
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16:11:38theli_ualinuxstb, just tried chuckie on real iPod mini ... speed is very playable ... just need input supprt for now :)
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16:14:57CassandraHmm. This is going to be one messy commit.
16:16:00*B4gder dusts off the funny hat in preparation for handing it to Cassandra
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16:16:23B4gderthe "I messed up" sign on the front is a bit tacky by now
16:16:39tempiSo, does the loader2 behaviour with the HOLD lock sound right?
16:17:02peturI do hope it will time out...
16:17:14tempiof course not
16:17:28dwihnoinclude piezo! :D
16:17:30dwihnofree piezo!
16:17:30tempiwell, after a time it should put itself to sleep
16:17:31dwihno:)
16:17:57peturelse it will be the ultimate battery killer
16:17:58tempiyes, sleep after long idle wait and piezo are on my list for loader2, if you refer to that :)
16:18:19tempiis planned for next beta (2.4b6)
16:18:49CassandraHow'd you delete a directory from a CVS repository?
16:19:25CassandraB4gder, what's this viscous liquid on the hat then?
16:19:26B4gderdelete all contents first
16:19:38RedBrevaIs it possible to change the VMWare image to have a 3GB 'drive'? I added KDE to it (I need my Linux to at least look like Windows), and there is now not enough free space to compile all builds... :( I do have access to the Workstation version of VMWare (at work) if that's what is needed, but have never used it, hence the question
16:19:44CassandraB4gder, done that. (not commited yet though.)
16:20:30B4gderoh right, that's all you can do
16:20:47CassandraWill it still check out the empty dirs by default?
16:20:49B4gderwhen using update -dP cvs will remote empty dirs
16:20:56B4gderremove
16:21:03CassandraOK - cool.
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16:23:21tempiwill leave now, thanks for your help with the backlight dimming. i might have found the problem (not sure, testing will tell)
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16:28:18Cassandrawow, that's a lot of new fonts.
16:33:39B4gderwow, that's a lot of wps/.#* files ;-)
16:34:04B4gderfour at least
16:34:16Mikachuoops
16:39:36*JdGordon gives up.. gnite al
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16:41:36*Cassandra sends the boys round to hurt bagder.
16:43:33*B4gder runs
16:44:14CassandraJust be astounded by the awesomeness that is my kludgy wps rewrite, and I'll forgive you.
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16:44:33B4gdercertainly a massive commit
16:45:12CassandraBigger than it actually is because of all the file re-arranging.
16:45:29*Cassandra swears. I bet I added lots of files as non-binary again.
16:45:34Cassandrabmp files that is.
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16:46:38preglowcvs doesn't autodetect them?
16:46:55Cassandracvs is, to coin a phrase, a bit poo on wheels.
16:46:59Mikachudidn't you hear? cvs sucks
16:47:07preglowmarvelous!
16:47:20*preglow curses bagder for leaving before he could whisper "svn!!!"
16:57:39klrspzhoorah for svn!
16:57:56markunWhat about git?
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17:01:35preglownever used/tried/looked at git
17:01:43markunme neither
17:01:43preglowand honestly, i think svn serves us just fine
17:01:48preglowwill serve us, that is
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17:04:03tempiactually, i need one more time your help: where do i find the code that would tell the iPod's IDE drive to spin down?
17:04:53whatboutbobpreglow: i gave spdif recording a good challenge tonight...2 hours into a Ben Harper gig the damn battery in my ADC started to die a slow painful death.
17:05:28preglowand all was well?
17:05:45amiconngit was one proposed alternative at devcon
17:05:46whatboutbobas well as could be expected. :-)
17:06:32whatboutbobthe file was fine. the recording was just choppy for about 10 mins before the signal was completely lost.
17:07:43blindsup, who said my name
17:07:52whatboutboboh...and don't anyone ever buy a panasonic battery...
17:07:54preglowwell, if the adc was dying...
17:08:00blindpanasonic lol
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17:08:17whatboutbobpreglow: oh yeah...completely the fault of the adc. rockbox handled it admirably.
17:08:49preglowthat's nice to hear, and a fine test anyway
17:08:56preglowthe old spdif recording might not have handled it too nicely
17:09:03preglowbut yeah
17:09:07preglowi'm going for commit today
17:09:42whatboutbobi *know* the old version wouldn't have handled it quite so nicely.
17:09:48whatboutbobnice one.
17:10:30preglowamiconn deserves the credit for that one
17:11:47whatboutbobthanks again to both of you.
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17:13:23whatboutbobi'm off to bed. night all.
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17:14:16preglowgood time
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17:16:28Visiteur376hello all
17:17:02markunhi
17:17:18Visiteur376i have a iaudio X5L and I want to install rockbox bootloader
17:17:36Visiteur376but with is the good bootloader
17:17:43Visiteur376the x5 or X5V
17:17:57Visiteur376escuse my very bad english
17:18:30Paul_The_Nerdx5
17:18:38Visiteur376ok thanx
17:19:11Visiteur376and we must install the bootloader to run rockbox ?
17:21:14klrspzyes
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17:22:29Visiteur376ok thx
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17:26:46webguest65what's the most stable ipod4gray release? neither 0510 nor 0511 boot past the splash screen.
17:29:34Paul_The_Nerdwebguest65: Nobody's really tracking. I hear 05-09 doesn't have that problem though.
17:30:17hardeepRedBreva: around?
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17:46:33RedBrevahardeep: Just about tea time, back in 15...
17:47:07hardeepRedBreva: I just wanted to mention that there is a problem with the ipodSimple WPS on your site
17:47:19hardeepthe fg and bg are reversed so you get white on white text
17:51:43crwlhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox
17:51:48amiconnpreglow: I have a resampling question: Would it be better to upsample 48kHz to 88.2kHz instead of downsampling to 44.1kHz?
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17:53:13solexx_I am missing the new terminus fonts
17:53:43peturdownload the fonts package
17:54:10peturbtw, congrats, you're the first to complain :)
17:54:28solexx_:)
17:54:39dprodamn
17:54:51solexx_I second after I complained, I noticed there aren't any fonts at all in the zip file...
17:54:57*dpro wanted to be the first at _something_
17:54:59PaulJammaybe tehre should be a link at the dayly builds page
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17:58:37solexx_PaulJam: ACK
17:59:05solexx_and is there a "bleedign edge" build of the font package?
17:59:19peturhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
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17:59:53peturI think the font package is build only once a day
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18:00:09solexx_ah, ok. So no terminus for now
18:00:39preglowamiconn: it would most certainly be easier
18:01:12RedBrevahardeep: Ahh, OK Thanks for that... I have swapped the colours in the .cfg file and re-uploaded it. ;-)
18:01:22petursolexx_: blame Bagder :)
18:01:42solexx_no, that's ok. Fonts are quite static, I think. :)
18:02:10solexx_btw, is there a way to get the changelog without having to use CVS?
18:02:15amiconnpreglow: The uda is capable of handling up to 96kHz. The coldfire is limited to the 44.1 family (11.025/22.05/44.1/88.2). If we deviate from 44.1kHz, we will need to utilise the WSPLL of the UDA, but that should be about all that's necessary...
18:02:34solexx_I don't visit rockbox.org daily and I sometimes miss important messages (like this one)
18:03:03amiconnDunno what happens to spdif if we do that. Maybe a number of devices isn't capable of running at 88.2
18:03:10preglowcertainly
18:03:18preglowi say we steer away from it
18:03:26RedBrevaUhmm, how do you make the fonts in the sim?
18:03:27PaulJamsolexx_: there is a link "all commits since 2.5." on the frontpage
18:03:33preglowdownsampling will be easier on the cpu, but harder to design
18:03:41preglowsince 48khz -> 44.1khz leaves a very narrow guard band
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18:03:56amiconnGuard band?
18:04:02solexx_PaulJam: ah, thx. More than I need, but well
18:04:43amiconnpreglow: In fact it's a general question: Do we want to support other sample frequencies than 44.1kHz natively, or with nearest-possible resampling?
18:05:06preglowi say we do want that, eventually
18:05:22preglowbut rounding up when at 48khz, hmm
18:05:22amiconnI think so too
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18:06:53preglowit's not going to be easy on the cpu, that's for sure
18:07:00preglowi'd rather round down in that case
18:07:34preglowbut yeah, we'll always want to upsample instead of downsample
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18:07:44preglowsince that doesn't require cutting away information
18:07:50preglowbut 88.2khz is a large sample freq
18:07:53preglowi'd rather avoid it
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18:08:41amiconnHmm, do we support 64/88.2/96 kHz playback?
18:08:51preglowas in right now?
18:08:51preglowyes
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18:09:08webguest08http://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox%2C+ipodlinux&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all :)
18:09:17amiconnThe codecs do keep up for these frequencies?
18:09:29preglowthe simpler ones do
18:09:42preglowi haven't tried any transform codecs at those rates
18:09:47preglowvorbis should be able to do it
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18:10:27Mikachui can only increase pitch to 145% or so on vorbis q3, but maybe native higher samplerates are not as demanding
18:10:44tempidoes rockbox have code for sounding a beep via the piezo on iPod 5G models?
18:10:53preglowyes
18:10:57amiconnpreglow: Hmm, so for these source sample rates it would be desirable to output at 88.2?
18:11:01tempiwhere could i find that?
18:11:07preglowamiconn: well, and pointless
18:11:13preglowtempi: ipodlinux has it as well
18:11:16preglowtempi: right now, in the patch tradcker
18:11:29tempino. the ipodlinux code is not good for the 5G
18:11:31preglowwebguest08: interesting, heh
18:11:37tempijust tried that
18:11:42preglowtempi: i took the code from there, and it works on nano, which is more or less a 5g
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18:11:48tempiit is too short and has the wrong pitch (very low)
18:12:16amiconnpreglow: Hmm in fact I consider these ultra-high sample rates pointless as well, but other people obviously do not, otherwise they wouldn't exiost
18:12:18tempii use now a timer to make it 50ms long, so i hear it, but the pitch is still badly wrong
18:13:01preglowamiconn: i consider them valuable for production purposes, but nothing else
18:13:02amiconn(same as sample depths >16 bit)
18:13:08preglowyou wouldn't want to save a 96khz lossy file
18:13:53preglowtempi: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111
18:14:18tempiunless my 5G's piezo is bad... i used to have a click on my 4G when using the wheel, but on the 5G it's not even offered any more. i never hear any sounds from the 5G
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18:15:10Mikachutempi: the argument is the period, not the frequency
18:15:11tempithanks, preglow, will try that out
18:15:34Mikachuso it's inversely proportional
18:16:18preglowtempi: i haven't tried it, but it's based on my code, which works here
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18:19:00RedBrevaShould 'make install' in a SIM create and install the fonts? It does not anymore...
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18:19:45tempigot it working now. i had copied code from iPL which sucked (it did set different periods in a loop, which is totally senseless)
18:21:36RedBrevaIt does if you make the last line of the MAKEFILE @($(MAKE) fullzip && cd archos && unzip -oq ../rockbox-full.zip)
18:21:56RedBrevaIt was @($(MAKE) zip && cd archos && unzip -oq ../rockbox.zip)
18:24:04linuxstbMaybe we would want something like "make fullinstall" and "make install" ?
18:24:49Mikachuwhat would you save by not copying the fonts?
18:25:30linuxstbA little time? make install seems to take a few seconds to happen, but I'm not sure what the bottleneck is.
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18:40:00tempiwoohoo, gut spindown working now as well.
18:40:04tempigot
18:49:30markunCan anyone verify that this vkeyboard file works well? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/fractions.kbd
18:49:57markunI tried with unifont and it looked normal
18:52:02Mikachuit looks like utf-8 in my browser at least
18:53:13markunMikachu: can you test it in rockbox
18:53:34markunIf it works we can close another bug report
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18:55:19Mikachusorry, no, linux decided i can't access usb anymore
18:56:54preglowgod, i love that
18:57:07markunAt least it doesn't crash like FreeBSD does..
18:57:21Mikachui'm optimistically hoping 2.6.17 will be better
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19:01:47webguest65are there plans to integrate line-in recording on the 4g (like ipl)?
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19:06:13preglowsure
19:06:14preglowsome day
19:06:33webguest65hehe, thanks.
19:06:45webguest65Anyhow, excellent project. Thank you.
19:07:00preglowyou're welcome
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19:08:35markunI can't reproduce this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5333
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19:27:50tempiIf anyone's interested: http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2_Testing −− new iPodLoader that also supports loading Rockbox, with menus etc.
19:28:21tempiand can load apple's OS as well :)
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19:33:28preglowamiconn: doesn't all mas3587f players have spdif support?
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19:47:04preglowmarvelous, now i find an spdif recording bug...
19:47:26markunpreglow: playlist_save could do with some more yields because it starves the pcm_buffer. Should I just add a second yield or is it better to place it somewhere else in the code?
19:47:42preglowno idea
19:48:35markunI don't think it would really matter, but yield; yield; just looks a bit strange.
19:49:20preglowahh, yes
19:49:26preglowyou should probably stuff it some other place
19:49:30preglowdepends on the code, i guess
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19:53:19hardeepit yields on every track that's inserted ... that's not enough?
19:54:23hardeepit's also making file i/o calls which usually yield as well
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19:59:38hardeepmarkun: are you overwriting the current playlist? i see a problem there that might cause pcm buffer starvation
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20:01:23webguest90Hardeep: a note in case you forget it: 20.36.28 <hardeep> hmmm, there might be an optimization I can do there... if we're inserting shuffled, no reason to sort the tracks
20:01:35webguest90a note in case you forget it: 20.36.28 <hardeep> hmmm, there might be an optimization I can do there... if we're inserting shuffled, no reason to sort the tracks
20:02:20hardeepwebguest90: yeah, i looked into it. it's a little messy not to sort so I probably won't change
20:02:28webguest90ok
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20:05:16markunhardeep: what you mean by current playlist
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20:06:41hardeepmarkun: did you start playback by selecting a playlist?
20:06:51hardeepm3u file that is
20:07:55markunhardeep: First I inserted my Albums dir, I have recursive insert on. Then while playing (and still buffering probably) I saved the playlist to a file.
20:09:07hardeepmarkun: okay, so you wouldn't hit the case I was looking at.
20:09:25hardeepdoes the second yield fix the problem?
20:09:42markunDidn't try it yet
20:10:08lostlogicdoes each playlist insert invalidate the buffer or something which would cause the disk to keep trying to refill during all the inserts?
20:10:16markunI was looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5287
20:10:18lostlogic(audio_invalidate_tracks would be the call)
20:10:19hardeepi'm surprised that a yield per track isn't enough
20:10:28hardeeplostlogic: not for saving playlists
20:10:37lostlogicI thought we were loading, my bad.
20:10:52hardeeplostlogic: and not when the playlist hasn't started (that's the fix i made a couple of days ago)
20:11:04lostlogic*nod*
20:11:27markunI tried again and waited till buffering was over. Still I got a pause 1 time.
20:14:34hardeepcould the problem be that the pcm buffer thread isn't loading enough whenever it's active?
20:15:02lostlogicthe codec thread will try to decode one full packet each time it's called
20:15:08lostlogicwhich I think is 1024 samples in most codecs
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20:15:27XavierGrhi lostlogic! :P
20:15:30markunI only had Ogg Vorbis files in the playlist
20:15:32lostlogicXavierGr: no, I haven't.
20:15:37lostlogicXavierGr: :)
20:15:46XavierGrhehe
20:17:11hardeepmarkun: what's the bitrate of your files?
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20:17:27markunq3, about 112 kb/s
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20:23:26hardeeper, oops, we're talking about samples. i'm assuming your music is 44khz?
20:24:03markunyes
20:24:30markunYou can't reproduce it?
20:25:00hardeepso, if my math is correct, each time it's called we load 20ms of data?
20:25:01amiconnpreglow: Nope. The recorder v1 has spdif in & out, the fmrecorder and recorder v2 only have spdif in, and the Ondio doesn't have spdif at all
20:25:14hardeepmarkun: sorry, was just doing the math, haven't tried to reproduce...
20:25:53markunbtw, the simulator doesn't work for me anymore after playing a file
20:26:07markunThe WPS doesn't update and it doesn't respond to buttons
20:26:15markunaudio is fine
20:26:50hardeeplostlogic: does that math look correct? for 44khz sample rate files, 1024 samples ~= 20ms ?
20:27:31markunDoes it decode 1 frame or always 1024 samples?
20:30:01hardeep1 frame, according to lostlogic
20:30:42markunI believe in the frames produced by the default encoder are either 512 samples or 2048 samples
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20:32:38hardeepeither way, we're not loading much data on every call
20:32:45hardeepwhich would explain the pause
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20:33:52hardeepstrangely, i can't reproduce the problem on my h300 with mp3 files
20:34:05hardeeptried with around 2700 tracks
20:34:45markunI tried with about 5000 tracks, and after buffering was finished only got a pause at about track 4000
20:37:08hardeephmmm, 5300 tracks worked fine too
20:39:05hardeepwould it make a difference if we boosted cpu while saving?
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20:41:22preglowif markun gets skipping while buffering, then no
20:41:26preglowcpu is boosted when buffering
20:43:06amiconnNo it's not
20:43:21amiconnIt used to be before lostlogic's rework
20:44:30amiconnI wanted to add boosting to the ata driver, but didn't get around doing it yet
20:45:06amiconnI also need to know whether there is an ata speed advantage when boosting on ipod as well
20:45:19amiconnNow I can measure myself...
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20:48:11markunamiconn: did you already have time to try dma transfer for ata?
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20:54:42dwihnois pio used now?
20:58:51preglowah, right
20:58:53preglowpio, yes
20:59:03preglowso it doesn't boost anymore
20:59:07preglowi think i liked it when it boosted
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21:02:01dwihnofast disk reads are good disk reads
21:03:28preglowdeedey
21:04:12markunpreglow: should I close this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5006
21:04:34markunWe know that some codecs could do with some optimisation. Don't think you can call it a bug
21:04:48preglowit's a big vague...
21:04:50preglowbit
21:04:58preglowhe mentions distortion
21:04:58preglowbut yeah
21:05:00preglowclose it
21:05:08preglowit's too vague to be of any use
21:06:23preglowamiconn: arghghgh, sometimes when i enter the recording screen with spdif as source, recording won't start
21:06:26preglowpeak meters don't work
21:07:17preglowand when i press record enough times, it hangs........
21:08:13amiconnIs your patch up to date?
21:08:18preglowyes
21:08:26Falco98heh, someone made a patch for my feature request
21:08:32Falco98too bad i'm not set up to compile :-/
21:08:37amiconnI see that you continued the recording settings mess....
21:09:01preglowi'll fix it later if i care to
21:09:09preglowi just want to get this off my hands now
21:09:35Falco98would anyone be able or willing to make a h120 build for me?
21:09:45preglowit's not any worse than it was anyway
21:09:52preglowFalco98: today is a fine day to learn how to do it yourself
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21:10:31Falco98preglow: i'm not even sure what compiler i need
21:10:46Falco98plus my windows is running significantly impaired ATM
21:11:01Falco98but i suppose i'd be willing.. give me a hint or point me to the right WIKI
21:12:31blindwindows.. impaired?
21:12:34blindredundant?
21:13:08Falco98haha
21:13:14Falco98*especially* impaired
21:13:32Falco98i.e. no explorer.exe running −− no taskbar, start menu, systray, or desktop icons
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21:14:40blindthat's how to run it man
21:14:48blindwhen you right click, do you get a flux box?
21:14:49blind:P
21:15:31blindafk.
21:15:55Falco98on the desktop?
21:16:05Falco98clicking on the desktop gets me nothing "normal"
21:16:18Falco98though in other programs it works about as normal
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21:19:31blindi was.. kidding
21:20:06blindnever used a fluxbox version of linux, eh?
21:26:10preglowamiconn: ok, bug fixed, back to normal again
21:26:33preglowamiconn: shall i just commit tonight? the spdif recording people have been notoriously silent today
21:27:09amiconnpreglow: I'm fiddling with ebu1config right now, trying to make monitoring work for both spdif in (loop-through) and analog recording
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21:27:44Falco98if i have, i don't know what the term means, anyway :-P
21:27:56Falco98i'm installing cygwin now...
21:28:34amiconnThere's some monitoring oddity (in general, not just spdif) when voice ui is enabled. This needs fixing, independent of spdif recording
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21:34:31preglowwell, no wonder
21:34:48preglowi guess spdif hijacking the playback channel doesn't help either
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21:37:42markunmidkay: are you here?
21:42:26amiconnpreglow: Your sample rate measurement only goes down to 32kHz...
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21:45:55*amiconn thinks the spdif monitor should get the freqmeas logic as well, but without rounding
21:47:41preglowamiconn: 32khz is the lowest spdif sample rate
21:48:13amiconnSlight correction: it's the lowest sample rate specified in the standard
21:48:26preglowyes, but should we care to support anything else?
21:48:40amiconnWhy not? if it works....
21:48:45preglowi don't think you'll find rates lower than 32khz very often
21:48:57amiconnThe mas can produce these with the pcm codec
21:49:08amiconnI'll test that
21:49:17preglowwell, ok
21:49:32preglowwhat other rates should we include?
21:49:47amiconn8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24
21:50:38amiconnI'll test that next, after spdif monitoring of analog recordings
21:54:17preglowupdated patch
21:54:22preglowfixed the recording hangs too
21:56:00amiconnWhat was it?
21:58:33preglowdidn't reset DATAINCONTROL when i was finished recording
21:58:44preglowwhich seems to be a wise thing to do
21:58:57preglowthat is, not reset it, just set PDIR2 to one sample left
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22:02:56Falco98gah wtf
22:03:04Falco98cygwin can't handle directories with spaces in them??
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22:03:24amiconnpreglow: You added the other sample rates, but didn't change the array size and the bounds for i in audio_get_spdif_sample_rate() ...
22:03:31amiconnFalco98: It can
22:03:38preglowamiconn: haha, indeed i didn't
22:03:49preglowtime for some sizeofs
22:03:53amiconnyup
22:04:17amiconnThis recording code contains a bit too many literal numbers for my taste
22:05:34Falco98hmm
22:05:40Falco98then why did "make" just explode in my face?
22:06:44preglownew patch up
22:06:50preglowFalco98: million different reasons
22:06:54preglowerror messages are good
22:08:03Falco98preglow: it basically reported "d:\new" incorrect path
22:08:16amiconnMany Makefiles won't cope with paths containing spaces
22:08:19Falco98while the correct path would be "d:\new and unsorted\rockbox ..."etc
22:08:24Falco98yeah
22:08:30amiconnI thought you referred to the command line
22:08:30Falco98ok, i've moved it a bit closer to root
22:08:35Falco98it seems to be compiling right now
22:10:34Falco98jeez talk about big :-P
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22:13:48Falco98when it's finally done compiling will i have the .rockbox folder nice and ready-to-go?
22:14:20smilin_j0eif anyone needs someone with a 3g iPod for testing, I am ready and willing
22:14:42Falco98you could test the "randomly insert folders" patch for me O:-)
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22:15:18preglowwe need a developer with a 3g more than a tester
22:15:22smilin_j0eI anyone activly working on sound for the 3g/
22:15:27smilin_j0eright
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22:15:36preglowright now we have no pre-4g developers
22:15:39preglowthe one we had vanished
22:17:15amiconnpreglow: Hmm, analog monitoring of analog recording doesn't go through the coldfire?
22:17:28preglownope
22:17:31smilin_j0ewhat needs to happen next on the 3g...is sound the last hurdle
22:17:34amiconnLooks like it's done directly in the UDA
22:17:38preglowit is
22:17:54amiconnAny benefit / drawback of using the coldfire instead?
22:18:06preglowwell, no
22:18:08preglowit's unecessary
22:18:26amiconnWell, there would be a slight benefit
22:18:41preglowwhich?
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22:18:53amiconnApart from allowing spdif monitoring of analog recordings, it would make clipping audible
22:19:00webguest49so there is no longer a font folder in rockbox ?
22:19:08amiconn(guessing that the uda monitoring is purely analog)
22:19:58amiconnThing is, if we disable iis2out, I have no clock source to clock spdif from for monitoring
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22:22:57preglowtrue enough
22:23:03preglowanyway, i'm not doing it
22:23:08webguest75I wanted to let developers know that the 5-11 Ondio FM build is missing the abjrec.ajz file
22:23:09preglowi need to fix my resampler and other shit now
22:23:19preglowwebguest75: in the latest builds too?
22:23:37preglowwebguest75: if it's a daily, then tomorrows will have it
22:23:38webguest75haven't tried the bleeding edge builds
22:23:42preglowit'll be there
22:23:51preglowthere was a bug
22:24:03webguest75I know yesterday's build took out like a MB of fonts
22:24:11webguest75I guess some other files were deleted by mistake
22:24:21preglowcorrect
22:24:26webguest49so fonts were purposely removed
22:24:28preglowthe font packs has the abjrec.ajz file, heh
22:24:40webguest75k, thanks - later
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22:24:45preglowwebguest49: fonts are in a separate package, they grew too big for the main pack
22:25:12webguest49k, I normally deleted the fonts I didnt use anyway
22:27:07webguest49that dance puff po wps is soooo crap
22:27:57preglowhahaha
22:27:58preglowit rocks!
22:28:15amiconnpreglow: The recording code also needs ifdefing for HAVE_SPDIF_IN ...
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22:29:03preglowwhich part of it?
22:29:07preglowright
22:29:08markunmidkay: I fixed the viewer
22:29:14amiconnpreglow: Thinking H300...
22:29:24amiconn(and probably X5 too)
22:29:44webguest49now where are the fonts hidden, nothing in the browse fonts player on the player,
22:30:15preglowi'm stuffing HAVE_SPDIF_IN all over the palce now
22:31:03preglowneed to fix some brace placement too
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22:32:36preglowshouldn't your dma fix code have been ifdeffed too?
22:32:50Falco98wow the "shuffled folders" patch appears to have worked...
22:33:10Falco98i'm not sure how "random" it is but it seems okay so far..
22:34:53amiconnpreglow: Yes, the whole 'else if ...' block
22:35:02amiconn(and the reset in dma_start()
22:35:18amiconnI mean INTERRUPTCLEAR
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22:36:50Agent666so let me get this stragith, I can put Rockbox onto my ihp-140? (that I was about to sell!)
22:37:01Agent666*straight
22:37:03Agent666lol
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22:37:48smilin_j0ehey preglow....where is the best place to find where the last guy left off on the 3g, and what sort of dev guy should I try to find
22:38:05preglowamiconn: new patch
22:38:33preglowsmilin_j0e: the last guy left off at audio support, you'll pretty much find out once you try it anyway
22:38:42preglowyou should find someone interested in porting rockbox to a 3g, plain and simple
22:38:59preglowsomeone with hardware programming skills, preferably
22:39:05smilin_j0ek
22:39:32smilin_j0elots of those types around here (work)...I'll see what I can find
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22:40:30Agent666anyone put Rockbox onto their iRiver player?
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22:40:43ender`many of us
22:40:58Agent666omg! does it work with iPod too?!!!!
22:42:08amiconngah!
22:42:20Agent666I don't like how ipod's software works, it's a mess
22:42:31Agent666was gonna get rid of it
22:42:57jpmahaladoes anyone know if there are any known issues with tagcache and large databases? (>11000 songs)
22:43:17Agent666anyone done it with iPod 60gb video then?
22:43:32Agent666I think I'd rather go that way than iRiver
22:43:52new5guser Agent666: it works very well
22:44:01Agent666awesome!
22:44:24jpmahalaI have it on my ipod 60gb color/photo
22:44:51Agent666could u guys paste some links with pictures of how it looks?
22:44:54jpmahalaAlthough tagcache isn't happy
22:46:28Falco98Agent666: i have rockbox running on my H140 at this very moment..
22:46:46Agent666sweet
22:46:48Falco98Agent666: the best way to see a "how it looks" is to look at the WPS galleries on the RB wiki
22:47:14jpmahalahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery for sample theme screenshots
22:47:18CassandraHmm. Never let it be said that I do not have godlike powers of finding out things people don't want me to find out.
22:47:36preglowamiconn: did i leave out anything?
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22:47:54CassandraI now have the name and address of someone at AT&T research with direct responsibility for Natural Voices.
22:48:05Falco98my favorite H140 WPS so far is the "iAmp", though i haven't found it in the gallery for some reason..
22:48:16preglowFalco98: lots of wpses aren't in the gallery
22:48:22preglowFalco98: the wps author has to put it there
22:48:30preglowCassandra: hooray!
22:49:07Falco98preglow: ah, i just would have figured since it ships with the daily builds, it would be a likely gallery candidate..
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22:50:14Agent666I've been wanting to modify mp3 players os from day 1 :)
22:50:23CassandraAll I need now is his current job title.
22:51:26CassandraGot it. :)
22:51:29preglowamiconn: i don't like the fact that everything freezes on disk accesses in the recording screen
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22:54:45CassandraAny chance someone can set me up a public-relations@rockbox.org email forwarder so I can put something official on this letter?
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22:55:23BagderCassandra: sure me can do that
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22:55:48CassandraCan you think of something suitably official sounding I can call myself?
22:56:19CassandraSince General muggins and doer of things no-one else wants to is not so impressive sounding.
22:56:35BagderI'm not very good at titles and things
22:56:45*dwihno votes for "General Muggins"
22:56:45preglowuse something military
22:56:51*Cassandra nods.
22:56:56dwihnoChief officer public relations!
22:57:09dwihnoNow that sounds serious :D
22:57:11BagderCIO!
22:57:24new5guserCPRO
22:57:24dwihnosounds like some serial interface
22:57:37CassandraBut then President and Chairman of the Board of Directors has a nice ring to it.
22:57:38BagderC3PO!
22:57:53CassandraRockbox Official Dictator for Life?
22:59:10Mikachuheh star wars is on tv here
22:59:21CassandraI think I'll just go for 'Public Relations Officer" - no point in sounding like I have an overinflated sense of my own importance.
22:59:24CassandraEven if I do.
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23:01:19preglowanything with "officer" in it sounds suitably pompous
23:01:24preglowyes sirety sir sir sir!
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23:09:30preglowamiconn: i don't like the fact that everything freezes on disk accesses in the recording screen
23:09:44Agent666checkin out these pictures... sweet :)
23:09:57preglowall graphical updates stop
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23:10:05amiconnYes, that's a bit lame
23:10:40preglowbut anywho
23:10:44preglowsomething i forgot in the patch?
23:10:47preglowthink i got it all
23:11:20preglownope, it doesn't compile for h3x0
23:11:45amiconnAnalog monitoring from analog input via IIS is working. What's not working yet is digital monitoring of analog in
23:11:45preglowbah, idiot error
23:12:02Bagderrasher.dk/rockbox/battery/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/battery/ <= another nice rasher thing
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23:13:12preglowwhere'd rasher go, anyway?
23:13:31Bagderhe just said he got busy with non-Rockbox stuff
23:13:54Bagderbut clearly he's still alive
23:14:44preglowyeah, i see he does bugtracker stuff from time to time
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23:14:53BagderI've noticed too
23:15:13XavierGr Bger is lost too....
23:15:44sharpebut sharpe isn't!
23:16:02BagderI feel lost!
23:16:18XavierGrhehe
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23:16:59sharpei can't remember, how does one win a game of 'tag' ?
23:18:00sharperight, no winner.
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23:19:01sharpegenerally
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23:19:45amiconn*Too many config bits error*
23:19:47*amiconn silly
23:19:57preglownew patch again
23:20:44amiconnI tried to use ebu1recv for transmit instead of iis1recv...
23:20:58Agent666so the changes that can be done are unlimited right not only visual? for example I wanted when one album ends to go to the next one
23:21:02Agent666on iPod that is
23:21:47Agent666on iPod when the album ends the player just stops and exits out of the whole thing, u have to browse to that Artist all over again
23:22:33amiconnWee, monitoring is now fully digital :)
23:23:08amiconnpreglow: Somehow we need to merge stuff...
23:23:17preglowyou got much new stuff?
23:23:20preglowi hate merging
23:23:32preglowcan't i just commit and you fix the collisions? :>
23:23:38amiconnOnly in audio_set_recording_options()
23:24:03amiconnMost probably we can drop uda1380_set_monitor() completely
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23:24:16amiconnI just route signals between iis and ebu interfaces now
23:24:25preglowokies
23:24:30preglowmerging that shouldn't be too hard
23:24:31PaulJamAgent666: i'm not sure if this works with tagcache, but in filetree mode the player can automatically go to the next directory once the current one finished playing.
23:24:34amiconn...so no added interrupt load or somesuch
23:25:42Agent666wait, u can make iPod wor as a file-based player???
23:25:47Agent666*work
23:25:55Mikachuyes !!!!
23:25:59Agent666wow!
23:26:00Agent666lol
23:26:05*Agent666 hugs #rockbox
23:26:18Falco98that's how rockbox works ;-)
23:26:21Falco98cross-platform
23:26:22*preglow distributes confetti
23:26:41XavierGr\o/
23:26:42*Bagder grabs confetti
23:27:04Falco98hehe
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23:27:42Falco98Agent666: plus there's a new patch that (if it's added) will let you queue up all albums, sorted randomly by-album
23:28:55Agent666well, my fav way of browsing is by folder tree, so I got things like \Rock\Beatles\White Album for example
23:29:12Falco98yeah, same here
23:29:20Falco98actually i don't have stuff sorted by category.. not yet anyway
23:29:28Falco98just by artist / album
23:29:33Agent666id3 tagging is a nice idea, but I just can't make it work with the way *I* organize music
23:30:07Agent666I got a bunch of these temp folders that I just don't want to organize, but with id3 it's impossible not to
23:30:34Agent666and then say I wanna move something from category A to B, just simple as drag & drop
23:30:59Falco98well if your files are well-tagged i don't see why you really need to sort your random stuff
23:31:19Agent666so with the Rockbox, u just hook it up and just copy mp3s like onto external HD right? no more evil iTunes? :)
23:31:28Falco98indeed
23:31:29Mikachuyes, you can play oggs, flacs, mpc too
23:31:34Falco98yeah
23:31:39Falco98(all: YAY OGGS!!!)
23:32:02Agent666what about those MP4?
23:32:18Falco98i forget.. i dont have any of those so i don't pay attention
23:32:29Falco98(tho the devs in here know everything)
23:33:35Bagdermp4 is a container not a music format
23:33:52Bagdermostly used for aac in itunes land I believe
23:34:11Agent666yeah iTunes encodes it
23:34:12Falco98aac is close to being implemented isn't it?
23:34:20Falco98or is mp4 too DRM
23:34:47Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status
23:34:56Bagderno need to repeat it all here
23:35:03Falco98ooh
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23:36:12Agent666yup looks like it's all underway
23:36:34XavierGrdo we need different settings for remote scrolling?
23:36:36MikachuBagder: i thought irc was about repeating things listed in the wiki until your fingers fell off
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23:36:50XavierGrI am looking at a remote bug that relates to that and will be easy for me to inlcude so
23:36:59Falco98haha
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23:38:08Agent666so u can always go back to apple's os if you screw up right?
23:38:28NHealclarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
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23:40:27Agent666no matter, I can't be stopped now anyway lol
23:42:06MikachuAgent666: you can boot apple while rockbox is installed
23:43:16amiconnmarkun: Regarding your question in the code - I think the viewer should use the encoding set in the core as its default
23:43:24Agent666Mikachu: nah c'mon now you're just teasing me
23:43:27sharpewhee...
23:43:36MikachuAgent666: you can, i promise
23:43:42MikachuAgent666: you can even triple boot rockbox, apple and ipodlinux
23:43:51Agent666heh, damn
23:44:41Falco98heh didn't know that myself
23:44:47Falco98(not that i have an ipod or anything)
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23:51:21markunamiconn: The question was put there by phaedrus961. I forgot to remove it. The system encoding is the default.
23:52:08markunI find it a bit strange that the menu closes automatically when you leave one of the submenus
23:52:09*amiconn now needs a third rockbox for testing...
23:54:28Agent666what's ipod_fw?
23:54:42amiconnh340-line_out -> line_in-h140-spdif_out -> opto/coax converter -> spdif_in-recorder-line_out -> hifi system
23:54:46Agent666oh nm, found it!
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