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#rockbox log for 2006-05-12

00:01:17 Quit DTycoon (Client Quit)
00:01:34amiconnpreglow: Hmm, we cannot drop uda1380_set_monitor() yet. It's still used in radio mode
00:02:09peturhmmm... opendir() in firmware/common/dir.c only checks for the FAT_ATTR_DIRECTORY bit and not if it's FAT_ATTR_LONG_NAME (which contains the dir bit)
00:02:11amiconnThe radio screen needs to be fixed to allow recording, like it does on archos
00:02:48amiconnIf we feed the signal through the coldfire audio interface as well, it has the advantage that the radio signal is avaliable from spdif out
00:02:50 Quit lee-qid__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")
00:03:15midkaymarkun, i love you ;)
00:03:25markunmidkay: thanks :)
00:03:37midkaymarkun, just one thing left... file position saving. i've already made some progress on it, so i should be able to finish it myself :)
00:03:49midkaybbiab..
00:04:07markunrockbox crashed just a minute ago while I viewed a UTF-8 file with japanese..
00:04:27midkaymarkun, hm, i know nothing about all the unicode stuff..
00:04:40midkaysee you soon :)
00:04:42 Quit midkay ("Leaving")
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00:09:02*petur needs to learn to read :(
00:09:36Agent666hmm, strange I installed rockbox onto ipod but still get Rockbox error: -1
00:10:26Agent666I'll try another one, older maybe
00:10:45sharpeneither do i!
00:10:58sharpesocialistic smurfs...
00:11:05BagderAgent666: used today's daily?
00:11:06peturagent666: do you have rockbox.ipod in the root of the drive?
00:11:14preglowamiconn: but ok, what's the plan here? i'm pretty much ready to commit this bastard and fix whatever bugs people tell me remain
00:11:20Agent666yup, I used todays
00:11:25preglowas far as i can see, there are none
00:11:26Agent666petur: yup
00:11:28BagderAgent666: it is slightly broken
00:11:31Agent666hehe
00:11:40Bagderget yday's daily
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00:12:06Agent666petur: oh no I didn't have that actually!
00:12:07*Bagder whistles innocently
00:12:13Agent666this older one has it
00:12:22Bagderthat's the broken part
00:12:29Agent666lol
00:12:30peturheh
00:12:46Bagderalso starting today the fonts are excluded
00:12:57peturis that documented already?
00:12:58Bagderand offered separately
00:13:09Bagderpetur: no
00:13:29amiconnpreglow: If it compiles cleanly for all possibly affected targets, I'd say go for commit
00:13:30markunThe aac codec works fine in the simulator but fails on my iriver. Are there endian problems?
00:13:40amiconnI'll add my monitoring changes afterwards
00:13:41peturBagder: there was already a complaint just after you left earlier today :)
00:14:06*preglow needs to get an sh compiler
00:14:09amiconnI think it shouldn't be too hard to feed the signal through the coldfire in radio mode as well
00:14:16Bagdersend the complainers to Cassandra, she's promised to take care of our relations ;-)
00:14:25amiconnpreglow: No problem with that one on amd64 :)
00:14:40sharpeah
00:14:48preglowi suppose i might as well
00:15:01 Part stripwax
00:15:04sharpeperfect timing... or, just a moment too late. pluggin in the usb cable just as soon as the battery died.
00:15:17sharpeplugged...
00:15:48amiconnpreglow: And: archos builds are faster than swcodec builds :)
00:16:15amiconnNo codecs or mega-plugins to compile...
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00:16:51*preglow almost forgot to patch
00:16:56preglow4.0.3 is what we're using now?
00:16:59amiconnyeps
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00:17:35Agent666so how do I play music? I see some options etc
00:17:36amiconnDon't forget to apply the patch from the CrossCompiler page
00:19:01peturAgent666: either copy your music in an understandable tree or enable tagcache and set view mode to ID3
00:20:15Agent666oh I see, so it doesn't see the old music folders
00:20:34peturno, apple cripples them ;)
00:20:43amiconnIt shows them if you set 'show files' to 'all',
00:20:46sharpeit mutilates the filenames...
00:20:59Agent666yeah it messes up all the filenames too
00:21:12sharpelike, grarrr! mutilate, not a subtle mutilate.
00:21:37Agent666heh
00:23:06amiconnpreglow: The spdif power handling can be collapsed into a sigle function call:
00:23:33amiconnspdif_power_enable((source == 2) || spdif_power_setting);
00:24:06Agent666cool, it's working :)
00:24:26 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah")
00:24:41Falco98sharpe: qotd
00:25:18sharpeheh...
00:25:39*preglow blinks at amiconn
00:25:48preglowhow do you see stuff like that? :)
00:25:55sharpelets see if i can fit writing six lines into one...
00:26:12sharpei used to be able to do nine readable ones on a college ruled line...
00:26:21Falco98i gotta go.. if anyone has enough time to test the "random folders" patch, let me know! (and TIA)
00:26:31amiconnpreglow: Just simple boolean algebra...
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00:26:42Falco98( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 )
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00:27:02amiconnWe want spdif powered if either it should be always powered, or if source is spdif
00:27:08preglowsure, i understand it, i just don't see "ahh, that can be replaced by a one-liner" when browsing code
00:27:22 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer")
00:27:52amiconnWell, how should I explain... I just see those things often.
00:28:01amiconnKeep code size down, you know...
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00:28:14Moosyou have the tiger eye :)
00:28:34preglowfixed the other spdif_power_call too
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00:28:48preglowunecessary if
00:30:00stonefrynoob question, I followed the step by step instructions for installing rockbox on my 5G (a month or so ago), is there another walkthrough or easy explanation for upgrading to the latest cvs?
00:30:19sharpeextract the latest build zip into the root of your ipod
00:30:25NazoThere was mention in the forums of the Sansa player. I was wondering if someone could tell me if it's even POSSIBLE that rockbox might someday be on the sansa with full features (in particular I'm wondering if there's any chance it would correctly handle video)?
00:30:28stonefryeasy enough
00:30:40stonefrythanks
00:30:58BagderNazo: I doubt we can tell if its possible, we haven't researched that player
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00:31:09NazoI'm trying to decide if I should take it back or not
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00:31:26dwihnoPiezo! :)
00:31:31NazoIt's a pretty nice player, but, I'm kind of unsatisfied on several things that I think rockbox would fix
00:31:40Bagderwell, there aren't exactly getting a crowed of volounteering Rockbox porters for it
00:32:04Nazodon't know, it's a relatively new player
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00:32:24BagderNazo: any urls for tech specs of it?
00:32:37Nazonone I've seen. Sandisk's information pages are very pitiful
00:32:45 Quit ender` (" I have the heart of a small boy. I keep it in a jar on my desk.")
00:32:54Nazoit was based on a chipset that one of the ipods uses or something according to that forum thread though
00:33:26NazoHere's the link to the forum thread if you're interested: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3225.0
00:33:28amiconnIf it's sigmatel, I'd say forget it
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00:33:45Nazoportalplayer whatever that is
00:33:57amiconnPP5024 hmm, interesting
00:33:57*Nazo doesn't know much about MP3 player chipsets
00:34:29Bagder"Continuing PortalPlayer's success with its FeatureFlash? platform, SanDisk recently announced the Sansa e200 Series of personal media players that use PortalPlayer's 5024 device."
00:34:45Nazosounds about right
00:35:26NazoAnyway, I'm just trying to figure out if I should take it back and get something cheaper that just does audio
00:35:47Nazosorry for bugging about it, just tomorrow is my best chance to do this
00:36:57Bagderwell, it has a cpu that is similar to what the ipods use
00:37:12Bagderbut it still takes quite some work to get a port for it
00:37:20Nazooh, I don't doubt that
00:37:34peturand there's no ipl to borrow code and bootloader from...
00:37:48Nazosee, I'm unsatisfied with a lot of the stuff about it, but, if, say a year down the road it could become more capable, it's probably worth holding on to
00:38:11Nazowell, less than a year. If I have to wait that long it may be better just to go ahead and get something cheaper now, something better then
00:38:35peturthen do that ;)
00:38:41Bagderthe pp5024 is a powerful thing
00:38:50Nazodidn't someone say two ARM processors?
00:38:54 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.)
00:39:01peturand no docs...
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00:39:05Nazolol
00:39:13Nazocertainly not anything from sandisk anyway
00:39:23Bagdernot from anyone
00:39:26Nazodarn
00:39:54Bagderhttp://www.portalplayer.com/products/documents/5024_Brief_Mar05.pdf
00:40:41Nazoonly 200 MIPs?
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00:40:50Bagderonly?
00:40:54peturhahaha
00:40:59amiconnHmm, core performance looks identical to PP5022
00:41:01Nazowell, I don't know how many MIPs it gets per cycle
00:41:10peturare you expecting 200 terraflops?
00:41:25Nazono, just, I think my pocketpc 2002 based thing may be better
00:41:40Bagderhaha
00:41:40Nazoprocessing power-wise that is
00:41:46peturheh.. run mortplayer on it :)
00:41:50BagderPDAs have MUCH faster cpus
00:41:52Bagdergenerally
00:41:55Nazo400MHz
00:41:58Nazoand that's 4 years old
00:42:09Bagderbut PDAs have superbig screens
00:42:18Nazoyes, if this thing weren't so ancient I'd love it
00:42:32preglowamiconn: well, it builds for both recorders, but i can't test it, of course
00:42:38preglowbtw, what's the difference between the two recorders?
00:42:50peturNazo: http://www.sto-helit.de/modules/edito/content.php?id=28
00:42:56stonefryMy friend just called me from E3 and goes "guess what I'm standing in line for" "um, to play the Wii?" "no, to get Paris Hilton's autograph"
00:43:03NazoI have a player for ogg/mp3
00:43:32sharpewow.
00:43:32amiconnpreglow: Which 2? There are 3...
00:43:33NazoI think it can even manage MPEG4, though I haven't tried very seriously. Problem is, this thing is so old it's starting to mess up
00:43:37preglowno, _three_ recorders
00:43:40preglowyes
00:44:06amiconnfmrecorder and recorder v2 are practically identical, just that the newer ('real') v2 doesn't have a radio
00:44:18*petur wonders what codecs mortplayer uses and how optimized they are. it's GPL and runs on XScale
00:44:23amiconnrecorder v1 has nimh, fm/v2 has liion
00:44:39preglowall have the same mas?
00:44:45amiconnfm/v2 have no spdif out
00:44:48amiconnyes
00:45:24preglowbut ok, it compiles for h1x0, h3x0, and archoses
00:45:25preglowso i'll commit
00:45:26NazoLook at the Core Media Player: http://tcpmp.corecodec.org/ That's what I use.
00:45:49Nazoeven runs on my old thing running Windows CE 3.0
00:46:30peturbut mortplayer gives much more features...
00:46:56peturI only use tcpmp for video
00:46:59NazoWell, I mainly had hoped for video. My impression of how that old thing handles video hasn't been good though
00:47:15Nazosupposedly it has some decent 2D acceleration, but, it still seems to be unable to draw very quickly
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00:47:45NazoAnyway, my battery is unreliable at best
00:48:18Nazoevery now and then, the PDA just shuts off randomly. Occasionally when I turn it back on it has done a soft reset even.
00:48:52XavierGrdo we input new lang entries at the end of the lang file?
00:49:28NazoAnyway, back on track for a moment, is there just basically no hope for a Sansa port in any kind of near future?
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00:51:41MoosXavierGr: yes
00:52:23XavierGrok thanks
00:52:38Moosnp
00:53:00Moosworking on something new?
00:53:10 Quit PaulJam (".")
00:53:42XavierGrI am working out a bug on the remote, and while I am at it I will make scroll options saperate for the remote
00:54:17Moosgoodie, good luck then :)
00:54:24markunXavierGr: which bug?
00:54:45XavierGre.g on H300 the Main LCD is readable even with a high scroll speed setting, while on the remote (crappy LCD) you can't read anything.
00:54:53MoosTiMiD: où es tu? where are you ! ;)
00:55:05XavierGrmarkun: the one that when the user changes scroll settings these are not applied for the remote.
00:55:17XavierGrthis is not reported
00:55:38markunXavierGr: ok, good, because I was working on fixing the menus without remote support: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191
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00:56:09amiconnXavierGr: On h1x0 it's the other way round. The remote lcd is slow, but the main lcd is even slower...
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00:56:22XavierGrmarkun: nice
00:56:37XavierGramiconn: so you agree to have saperete settings, right?
00:56:48webguest81hello can anyone tell me how to play videos on the archos recorder version 2.0
00:56:59NazoAh, I have a question. You people seem to use a lot of Archos players. Any comments on the Gmini XS 100? http://www.shoparchos.com/product.aspx?sku=2816013&culture=en-US
00:57:01preglowarghgh
00:57:03preglowcvs is so slow here
00:57:47amiconnYes, but you won't need many new strings (in fact only one - "Remote Scroll Settings")
00:58:04XavierGrah so the rest to be left the same?
00:58:07webguest81does anyone know how to play videos on the archos recorder version 2.0?
00:58:10peturis there a reason FAT_ATTR_LONG_NAME is defined in fat.c while the other attributes are defined in fat.h?
00:58:20XavierGramiconn: so we need a new sub menu in scroll menu
00:58:46amiconnXavierGr: Just reuse them. "Remote LCD settings" also reuses the strings from "LCD settings"
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00:59:34XavierGryes but where such info will reside? Remote LCD settings or scroll settings (under a submenu)?
00:59:38Nazobah, nm, this thing uses a hd
00:59:47stonefrymy 5g rockbox is broken. I put the green theme on it a while back (used the patches that came with it) and it worked great, but now I upgraded to the latest cvs, so the them e is gone, but the background is still green and the skin is all screwed up.
00:59:49amiconnpetur: I'd think it's because the longname handling is internal only
01:00
01:00:03stonefryI deleted the rockbox folder and re-installed, but it is still messed up
01:00:03peturok
01:00:28peturamiconn: makes sense now that I think about it...
01:00:33markunpreglow: btw, I wrote a pink noise generator today :) Will turn it into a plugin, might be useful to some people.
01:00:47preglowhow do you generate the noise?
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01:01:07midkaystonefry, just select a new theme.
01:01:54markunpreglow: used this algo: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eltrammell/tech/pinkalg.htm
01:02:30markunpreglow: between about 500 and 1750 Hz
01:02:45preglowmarkun: we can merge the sweep and noise generators into one plug
01:02:55*Nazo givesup
01:02:56 Quit Nazo ()
01:03:24markunAnyway, got to get some sleep
01:03:26markunGood night!
01:03:28Moospreglow: red
01:03:33Moosnighty markun
01:03:45preglowyeah, know
01:03:48preglowi completely forgot about the sims
01:03:54Moosuch :(
01:04:11stonefrysame thing. When I play a file, I can see the progress bar, but the id3 info blinks really quickly at the top of the screen, then nothing
01:04:15preglowit's a quick fix
01:05:18Moospreglow: will it be relatively easy to made S/PDIF working for other target now, like X5 for exemple (once the hardware part will be done) ?
01:05:58amiconnMoos: Does the X5 have spdif?
01:06:27MoosI think so, via the subpack
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01:06:55Moosbut recdording code is still missing for iaudios
01:06:56preglowMoos: relatively easy
01:07:03Moos*recording
01:07:03webguest97does anyone know where i can get the GUE video converion tool?
01:07:07preglowalmost all recording code can be reused for x6
01:07:09preglowx5 <-
01:07:09amiconnDeviceChart says X5: SPDIF: No
01:07:11webguest97GUI
01:07:13Moospreglow: ok
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01:07:24peturfat.c line 2233: shouldn't that be (entry->attr & FAT_ATTR_VOLUME_ID) ?
01:07:38Moosamiconn: uch :( , I thought it does, let me check
01:07:43*preglow goes to check out the condition of the recording section in the manual
01:12:40preglowsweet lord
01:12:42preglownot good
01:12:43Moosamiconn: can't find info about, and I never used it even with h1xx
01:13:29Moosamiconn: just the label line in and line out separated in the subpack but don't know if S/PDIF
01:13:33Mooslet wait Linus :)
01:13:38Mooslet's
01:13:46amiconnpetur: No, why?
01:14:13amiconnThat would be wrong...
01:14:46peturwe want to skip the entry whenever the bit is set? why would it be wrong?
01:15:01amiconnNo, we only want to skip volume ids
01:15:13amiconnVolume ids have _only_ that bit set,
01:15:27amiconnbut it's also set for special longname entries
01:15:42peturthat's checked before that
01:15:45preglowamiconn: archos recorders only record to mp3, yes?
01:16:09amiconnRight now, yes
01:16:12preglowamiconn: i think it's worth mentioning that in the manual...
01:16:17peturI couldn't find any doc that states the volume bit is the _only_ bit set
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01:17:04codyneedshelphey
01:17:26*petur feels a support request is about to come :)
01:17:33Moosyeah :)
01:17:45codyneedshelphey guys whats up
01:18:40Mooshi, you need help in something?
01:18:59Mikachumaybe he's not cody
01:19:06codyneedshelpwait nvm i just have to re do everthing
01:19:06codyneedshelplol
01:19:07codyneedshelpl8r
01:19:09Mooshaha XD
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01:20:23preglowurgh
01:20:31preglowthe manual still needs a ton of work
01:21:28amiconnpetur: Hmm, in fact you're right, although I don't think it matters.
01:21:57amiconnThere's only one additional condition that must be fulfilled by the volume label: It must not have ATTR_DIRECTORY set
01:22:05preglowamiconn: you know if the rest of the recording settings actually work on iriver?
01:22:06amiconnSee http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf p. 33
01:22:18peturI'm just hunting for reasons the volume label might accidentally get erased
01:22:36XavierGrhmm
01:22:54XavierGrok here is my small proposal (though I am not sure about it)
01:24:21XavierGron the scroll settings menu we can create 2 differenct submenus. 1) Main Scroll Settings 2) Remote Scroll settings. And there we stuff the different scroll option. Thing is that this isn't elegant for targets that have only main screen.
01:24:50XavierGralternatively we can create only the remote scroll settings in there
01:25:09XavierGr^remote scroll settings submenu
01:26:17preglowamiconn: the mas only records one channel when recording mono?
01:26:31preglowamiconn: do we want to keep that behaviour for swcodec, or do the proper thing and mix channels?
01:26:51amiconnYes, the mas only records one channel
01:27:12amiconnIt's *usually* the left channel, but might be the right channel instead
01:27:34amiconnArchos obviously had a qa problem, channels are physically swapped on some units
01:27:59amiconnI think we should mix properly on swcodec, if possible
01:29:02preglowsure, it's possible
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01:29:22preglowi'm a bit torn on whether to try implement it now
01:29:25preglowit should be simple
01:30:01amiconnI'm currently looking into readding my monitoring changes
01:30:55sharpei'm bored. nobody cares, but still. i am.
01:31:05preglowsharpe: i suggest doing something about it
01:31:15Mikachusharpe: did you finish your emulator?
01:31:25amiconnI struck me that we should probably set the spdif channel status for output
01:31:59XavierGrsharpe: you can always search the bug tracker for open bugs and try to fix them.
01:32:00amiconnI don't have two h1x0s to test that
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01:32:24XavierGramiconn: I have, do you need me to test something?
01:32:52amiconnDo you also have an optical cable?
01:32:58XavierGryes
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01:33:12XavierGrone that can couple both iHPs
01:33:26amiconnYes, that's what's needed for the test
01:33:27sharpeXavierGr: i know, but something is keeping me from embarking on a bug fix
01:34:10sharpealso considering many of the bug reports are concerning audio playback, something i have no knowledge about.
01:34:11XavierGramiconn: I am at your service then... :P
01:34:18amiconnBasically you need to play some music on one h1x0, connect its optical out to the optical in of the other, and use the spdif monitor in the debug menu to check the channel status
01:34:33XavierGrok give me a minute
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01:35:10amiconnYou can do that with current cvs as a test; but we should do it properly and add our desired setting
01:35:12XavierGramiconn: do I need to have rockbox on bith units?
01:35:22XavierGr^both
01:35:28amiconnAt least the receiver needs rockbox
01:35:35XavierGrok
01:35:39amiconnBut do you really use retailos??
01:35:51***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:35:55XavierGrthe one is brand new H115 without rockbox installed
01:36:15XavierGrmaybe I will sell it in the near future. (though I am not sure about it)
01:36:53Mikachusell it with rockbox on
01:37:12sharpeconfuse people.
01:37:59preglowamiconn: where would it be best to convert to mono, though? afaik, PDIR2 is always stereo, so we need to convert
01:38:50amiconnHmpf, why must that be so difficult?
01:39:12amiconnWe need to post-process the recorded data, it seems
01:39:18preglowyes
01:39:26preglowexactly, before it gets stored in the wav buffer
01:39:35amiconnWe probably shoudln't do that in the isr
01:39:50preglowthat's what i'm thinking too, in which case we need some new place
01:40:09amiconnHmm, there's the code which calculates the peaks,
01:42:36preglowhmm
01:42:40preglowpcmrec_callback
01:42:49XavierGramiconn: spdif works like a charm, though I can't hear anything while I am at the debug screen. As soon as I exit the record screen music stops
01:43:38amiconnYes, you won't hear anything. The interesting part is the channel status word
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01:44:09preglowdoesn't look like that can alter the sizes of the chunks
01:44:14XavierGrChannel 0 (unspecified)
01:44:16preglowso we probably need to do the conversion early
01:44:30XavierGrstatus word 00000000
01:44:50preglowis optical out enabled?
01:44:57XavierGrah?
01:45:02preglowit needs to be
01:45:06amiconnAh, yes, forgot to say that
01:45:07XavierGrI had to enabled it too? sorry
01:45:32preglowthe debug screen really should fix that itself, though
01:45:42amiconnpreglow: I'll add that to the spdif analyzer when adding freqmeas
01:45:50preglowgoodie
01:46:33XavierGragain all are zeroes?
01:46:41sharpei love the descriptiveness of bug reports...
01:46:42preglowdid nothing change?
01:46:47amiconnpreglow: Btw, for analog monitoring of spdif input, I think it's better to clock the ebu from a fixed source rather than the uda
01:46:48XavierGryou mean as the receiver right?
01:46:57amiconnI'll change that to audioclk/4
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01:48:46pregloware you sure it's sample rate*64?
01:48:52preglowi'm still almost positive it's 128
01:48:55XavierGragain all are zeroes?
01:49:05XavierGrrockbox iHP is the receiver
01:49:30XavierGrthe other transmits via optical out rockboxed H100 recieves via optical in
01:49:42XavierGrspdif set to on (out)
01:50:07amiconnpreglow: It is, and in fact audioclk/4 is what playback uses as well
01:50:14XavierGrI can hear music when I am at the record screen. Once I leave music stops and the debug screen is filled with 0 values
01:50:25amiconn(EBUout clocked from SCLK2 and SCLK2 == audioclk/4 for 44.1)
01:50:41preglowamiconn: then what's up with having to divide by 128 in the freqmeas code?
01:52:52XavierGris what I got supposed to be right?
01:57:41amiconnYour sourc eplayer uses iriver fw?
01:58:04XavierGryes
01:58:20preglowseveral sources also say 128 times sample rate
01:58:21amiconnHmm, and your receiving player has spdif power enabled?
01:58:22XavierGrI can install rockbox if you want
01:58:26XavierGryes
01:58:41amiconn(i.e. the spdif out led is on all the time)
01:59:07XavierGrbecause it isn't laying it isn't full bright
01:59:17XavierGrbut I can see a little red ligh
01:59:20XavierGrt
01:59:28amiconnHmm, maybe the iriver fw doesn't set channel status either. No reason for us to be equally lazy
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02:00:03XavierGrok let me patch the H115
02:00:05amiconnFor further tests (rockbox setting the channel status) you will need rockbox on both
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02:00:17ivan`hi
02:00:28ivan`how is battery life on the iaudio x5 with rockbox right now?
02:00:33ivan`is it more than the 2 hours from the initial builds?
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02:00:48Moosnever was 2 hours here
02:00:48amiconnUnfortunately I cannot monitor channel status with my archos, it only gives me half the bits
02:01:43Moosivan: we have a better batterie runtime than that at the begining, but there are stiil lot of things to do
02:01:57ivan`i'll probably try it out then
02:02:04ivan`any estimates?
02:02:20Moosmaybe 7-8 hours or something
02:02:29ivan`wow.
02:02:39Moosdepending and which codec using, which settings...
02:02:46Mooss/and/on
02:02:52ivan`everything is ~240kbps mp3 here
02:03:27Moosmp3 was been optimized
02:03:57ivan`cool
02:04:00Moosgo ahead and try it yourself, you will love Rockbox
02:04:12CassandraRight, that's a letter written.
02:04:20XavierGrupgrading...
02:04:21ivan`i made a 4AA battery pack so i'm not too concerned
02:04:29preglowThe frequency of the clock if twice the bitrate. <- about spdif
02:04:57Moosivan: but you can just charge right? or can you playing at same time?
02:05:15preglowthen i understand
02:05:17ivan`charge and play through the DC adapter
02:05:24ivan`it treats it as the power brick
02:05:27Mooscool
02:05:46amiconnpreglow: Then why does playback use audioclk/4, and it works?
02:05:53Moosivan: I thought to buy this thing, it's not too expensive
02:06:04preglowamiconn: because it's bit clock, not the actual signal clock
02:06:13XavierGrarghhh: nothing again
02:06:16preglowthey're different, apparently
02:06:33preglowamiconn: the signal frequency is 128*sample rate, the bit rate is 64*sample rate
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02:06:57preglowthis explains why i have to divide by 128 in freqmeas, since that measures the clock rate, not the bit rate
02:07:30XavierGrpreglow, amiconn: I cant get other values than zeros
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02:08:28nocloudhey, does anybody know if rockbox works with anapod explorer?
02:08:56preglownocloud: rockbox works with anything that just puts files on the ipod, no fancy-ass itunes database
02:09:26XavierGrwhat should I see normally?
02:09:57Cassandranocloud: Probably not with more modern firmwares.
02:10:34CassandraApparently Apple did something to the iTunesDB that means it can't use files outside the database directory or something.
02:11:21amiconnpreglow: Your spdif frequency measurement in th erecording screen is working fine with all spdif clocks the archos can produce
02:11:24preglowCassandra: 2007? :P
02:11:28amiconn(8..48 kHz)
02:11:50preglowamiconn: good
02:11:58amiconnI can try to pitch up....
02:12:23CassandraI'm way ahead of my time. :)
02:12:52amiconnHah, I'm producing a 96kHz spdif signal! With the archos!
02:12:54Mikachuwhen you're feeling down, pitch up!
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02:14:15XavierGrI wonder why it won't work for me.
02:14:47preglowamiconn: not too shabby
02:14:54preglowamiconn: what pitch factor?
02:14:58preglow2005?
02:14:58amiconn200%
02:15:01preglowhahah
02:15:09amiconn48kHz mp3, pitch 200%
02:15:21preglowCassandra: also you're lacking an 's' in pounds, other than that it looks good
02:15:29amiconn183% produce 88.2, 150% produces 64kHz
02:15:37preglowhahah
02:15:49preglowoverclocking by 200%
02:15:50preglownot bad'
02:15:53amiconnVery nice sweeping spdif source...
02:16:35Cassandrapreglow: Cool. Still quite chuffed about having tracked down Dr. Cox. I love the Net sometimes.
02:16:49amiconnpreglow: The fun thing is that the mas uses a pll internally, and it manages such a large range
02:16:54preglowCassandra: let's just hope he has no issues with being tracked down, heh
02:17:43CassandraWell, if he does, it's hard to see how it could make the situation worse.
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02:19:35preglowspontaneous combustion would do it
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02:22:33preglowbut aight
02:22:41preglowit's high time for my tottering off
02:22:43preglownight all
02:23:40XavierGrnight preglow
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02:24:33amiconnpreglow: I don't think we need to enable uda recording for spdif in
02:24:46amiconnI'll check that
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02:26:16XavierGramiconn: http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=11302&pos=0
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02:26:50XavierGrInside Remote Scroll options reside: Scroll speed, step and delay
02:27:07XavierGrand with this we get rid of the settings buf for the remote
02:28:19AlbrightI'm hitting a snag at the step where I make a backup of my iPod's firmware.
02:28:38AlbrightBut is this really necessary? Isn't Apple's iPod Updater utility capable of restoring the firmware?
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02:29:19amiconnIf you use the ipod updater to restore, it will erase the whole harddisk
02:29:21Paul_The_NerdAlbright: Apple's updater is capable, but wipes all music. Also, there's no step that is exclusively backing it up. Just extracting it, as it's needed for later steps.
02:29:38Paul_The_NerdAlbright: What problem are you having with which step exactly?
02:29:53AlbrightErasing the music is fine, since I have it all on my computer anyway...
02:30:06AlbrightOkay, I'm using the OS X instructions...
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02:30:22AlbrightStep 1c...
02:30:26Albright./diskdump -r /dev/disk1 bootpartition.bin
02:30:44Albright[INFO] Reading partition table...
02:30:44AlbrightBad boot sector signature
02:30:44AlbrightPart Type Start Sector End Sector Size (MB)
02:30:44DBUGEnqueued KICK Albright
02:30:44Albright 0 0x90 -1073742912 2147481655 1572863
02:30:44Albright 1 0xbf 9412 -1073733501 1572863
02:30:44***Alert Mode level 1
02:30:44Albright 2 0xfe -1881115804 -1881100845 7
02:30:46Albright 3 0x00 -2139062144 -2139062145 0
02:30:50Albright[INFO] Seeking to sector -1073742912
02:30:52Albright[WARN] Seek error - reading -1073742912 sectors instead
02:30:57AlbrightAnd the program seems to hang there and not do anything.
02:31:25AlbrightIf it matters, mount said my iPod was at /dev/disk1s3 instead of /dev/disk1s2 as is given in the instructions...
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02:32:22Paul_The_NerdAlbright: You've already converted it to a FAT32 iPod?
02:32:28Mikachuthat's not a good partition table, i can tell you that
02:33:00AlbrightPaul: Hmm. Is that necessary? Let me check.
02:33:44AlbrightHmm, no, it's NFS+
02:33:56Paul_The_NerdAlbright: Yes, it's required. That's why it says that it's required earlier in the steps.
02:34:09Paul_The_NerdThere's an "IMPORTANT NOTE" there
02:34:34infamisanyone else having a lot of problems as of recently?
02:34:40AlbrightHmm, I see now. Yet the instructions to do that are BELOW the Rockbox installation instructions... That's funky.
02:34:55AlbrightI just skipped ahead to Step 1...
02:35:20infamismy girl left me, I'm failing classes, can't keep up with rent, etc.
02:35:29Paul_The_NerdAlbright: The instruction how are at the end, but the step that tells you to GO to them is in the Introduction
02:35:41Mikachuinfamis: have you tried latest cvs?
02:35:48AlbrightWell, I skipped the introduction and just went to step 1. :P
02:36:05AlbrightAnyway, I'll go hook this thing up to the Dell and FAT32 it, I guess.
02:36:05Mikachuinfamis: i had to hire security to keep the girls out after i upgraded
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02:36:28infamisMikachu: lol just kidding about the real-life problems; latest cvs I tried was yesterday
02:36:37Paul_The_NerdAlbright: There are instructions for converting it to FAT32 on a MacOS machine, assuming you have one of the models we have partition tables for.
02:36:44Mikachui figured, i was apparently joking too
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02:37:09infamisThe main thing I'm having is that pausing pauses like a second late for some reason with pause-fade disabled
02:37:16infamisand other unresponsiveness issues
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02:39:15sharpewoo! i get spam in spanish now
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02:40:14sharpewait, no. not spanish. portuguese
02:40:45***Alert Mode OFF
02:42:37infamisanyone know how to set up cygwin w/o downloading & w/o local packages?
02:42:59Moosinfamis: playback is far to be bugfree, lostlogic working on it
02:43:54Moosinfamis: what do you mean?
02:44:05infamisMoos: I understand that; it was pretty good but then now I'm having these issues
02:44:18Mooslostlogic is aware about
02:44:32infamisMoos: all I have is my c:\cygwin directory
02:44:33Mooshe just need to find time to work on it I guess
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02:45:44Mooswhich packages have you? cause you have to download all the necessary packages for build Rockbox
02:46:24infamisTechnically I have the installed packages, but not the installation packages
02:46:45Moosoh?
02:46:48infamisI copied a working cygwin install from one drive to this drive but doesn't seem to work
02:46:58infamishad to send the other drive out for an exchnage
02:47:11infamisI would hate to have to redownload all of 'em
02:47:20Mooswhy not restart one new clean dowload/installation?
02:47:26Moosah :(
02:47:34Moosthat's relatively quick
02:47:53infamisdownloading took all day the last time!
02:47:58infamismaybe just a slow mirror?
02:48:01Moosoh :(
02:48:15Moosyou probably used one crappy mirror
02:48:19Moostry with others
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02:48:40XavierGrok time to sleep
02:48:44XavierGrgood night every one.
02:48:51Moosgood night Xavier
02:49:32infamisbed @ 8pm...lol sorry you're probably on the other side of the world ;)
02:49:34Moosinfamis: did you try vmware yet ?
02:49:46Moos02:49 am here :)
02:50:02infamisMoos: That's linux under windows?
02:50:29Moosyeah one image of necessary packages from linux
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02:50:48Moosso far better for build
02:50:56Moosspeed up the things a lot
02:51:29infamisI used to build with Debian but that was on the bad hard drive & just did a quick win2k isntall a couple days ago
02:51:48Moosok
02:51:49infamisIt's probably just some env. variables that I need to mess with to get cygwin working
02:53:16Moosanyway, time for sleep a bit, wake up in 4 hours :-)
02:53:28Moosinfamis: good luck
02:53:41infamislol you need double that amount
02:53:49Moosand good *day* :)
02:53:52Mooshehe :)
02:53:58Moosciao
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02:54:03infamisyup, bye
02:54:29infamis"Glory to Rockbox!!!" ??? lol
02:55:43JdGordonwho knows which letters are completly illegal in fat32 file names?
02:56:09sharpeones you don't use very often in file naming?
02:56:12sharpe:D
02:56:32JdGordonlike is $ or * not allowed?
02:56:46sharpei think $, but not *...
02:57:30JdGordonok thanx
02:57:55sharpewelcome
02:58:31sharpe"/\*?<>|: are illegal in fat32 i suppose...
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02:59:21RoriHey is anyone going to put the rockbox.ipod file in the latest build? it's missing
02:59:48amiconnJdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/FAT32Spec103.pdf p. 29
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03:00:43Rorialso anyone know when rockbox image viewer will fill the screen. Apples inbuilt viewer with thumbs is far superior. Dunno who makes the plugin for Rockbox but it could do with some work :) Oh and Rockbox could do with some color on those iPod screens ;)
03:01:15amiconn\ and / are forbidden by the OS, not the file system
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03:01:46sharpeoh well.
03:01:49sharpei tried.
03:01:51sharpebut failed.
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03:04:40midnight3can someone help me with final step with rockbox just b4 u enjoy rockbox step
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03:20:35Mikachuamiconn: no file system would allow / unless it was _very_ strange
03:23:59JdGordonso is * definatly illegal?
03:24:04sharpeaye
03:24:12JdGordongreat, them im done :D
03:24:20sharpewith what?
03:24:33JdGordonsurprise :D
03:24:40JdGordonbbl
03:25:22sharpelol...
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03:33:43scorchetor eh?
03:34:50suppotor rulez .)
03:35:55***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:36:31scorcheif you say so
03:36:58scorchea gigantic proxy that everyones using to be giant douches, sucking down tons of bandwidth, ends up getting all the servers banned, doesnt stop the gov from pinpointing who sent what, plus quasi honeypot for servers to analyze all unencrypted data or anyone who is a last point through the network
03:37:31scorchethey could have spent the effort into actual security...
03:38:27suppoi dont care much about the encryption, i just need any proxy to tunnel through a firewall, and tor works just fine for that purpose...
03:38:55scorchewww.freeproxies.com
03:38:58scorcheor such
03:39:06scorcheand you dont have to install something...
03:39:19scorcheand i am sure that it is much faster than tor
03:39:51CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:39:51*dongs checks the channel name
03:40:15suppotried that, most of them didnt work, too much hassle to find a working one, tor figures it out by itself... and speed is not an issue for irc unless you leech files which i dont.
03:40:15dongstor has never been used for anythign but abuse
03:40:22scorchedongs: i wouldnt be saying much..you are tehone that is always bashing linux
03:42:06GaloisI usually agree with what the EFF does but tor is an exception. Some of the abuses are not a good tradeoff.
03:42:24dongstor is loved by GNAA.
03:42:37scorchehttps://uio7ucmgt6uzwcc*.onion/
03:42:37dongsand next version will be even better when they get rid of the centralized node directory.
03:42:47scorcheguess the asterisk, and you get all the CP you can fathom!
03:43:20*suppo checks the channel name ;)
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03:46:22Falco98hey all
03:48:18RoC_MMactually I've seen lots of non-abusive tor usage
03:48:23supporock me amadeus!:)
03:48:38RoC_MMtherefore it's "never been used for anything other than abuse" has nothing to do with reality
03:48:59scorcheRoC_MM: keep in mind that is was dongs who said that ;)
03:49:31RoC_MMi haven't seen dongs yet
03:49:35RoC_MMhere
03:49:57scorcheo_O
03:50:48RoC_MMhe must have a reputation
03:53:37Falco98someone fill me in as to what "tor" is?
03:53:46Falco98(am i showing my n00b card?)
03:54:34scorchehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29
03:54:42Falco98ah
03:54:46suppotor.eff.org
03:54:55Falco98all i had to hear was "tor anonymity" and i realize...
03:55:11Falco98(i even have the installer sitting in my 'freeware' folder.. just never installed it)
03:57:02RoC_MMtorpark maybe easier to use
03:57:14RoC_MMtorpark is a combination of portable firefox and tor
03:57:32RoC_MMyou just double click and it opens a packaged version of firefox that autoconnects to tor
03:57:35RoC_MMvery easy
03:58:04scorchewell, there is an extension to FF that adds an on/off button for tor browsing
03:58:08suppotor is slow for web surfing, for irc it makes no difference
03:58:15RoC_MMdpeends
03:58:23RoC_MMit used to be slow but recently it's not so bad
03:58:31RoC_MMsome people say they don't really notice
03:58:58scorchewell, it all depends on if you get a good line of servers
03:59:20scorchei got 1.8 kb/s off of a save picture the other day...i would call that slow
03:59:35RoC_MMsure
03:59:38RoC_MMand 1.8kb/sec isn't tor speed
03:59:41RoC_MMit was just your speed
03:59:43RoC_MMwith your circuit
03:59:47RoC_MMwhich changes every 10 minutes
03:59:51scorcheexactly....like i said above...
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04:00:01RoC_MMand tor isn't written to provide faster access
04:00:08RoC_MMit's written to provide more private access
04:00:12RoC_MMto which it succeeds
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04:00:34scorchemore?, yes....but not very secure overall
04:00:47scorchesee my messages above (the long one)
04:01:18RoC_MMit seems more rantish than reasoned
04:01:43RoC_MMand you really haven't provided any support for your statements
04:01:49RoC_MMbut it really odesn't bother me
04:03:09scorchetrue, but i dont have the time atm to put together something else....not like it really matters anyway
04:03:41*scorche looks for food
04:03:59*suppo looks for beer
04:04:28*dongs looks for lunix users
04:04:49*Mikachu hides
04:04:53*scorche waves at dongs
04:05:00Mikachugentoo broke my glibc, but i fixed it right back
04:05:05*suppo pulls dongs
04:05:05RoC_MMif you think tor could be impoved then tor has done great work, just contribute to that project
04:14:51*Falco98 wonders if he should give u guys some privacy...
04:15:14JdGordonis recursion in rb really slow? like should i always try to make it a loop instead of recursive calls?
04:15:25Falco98hey JdG
04:15:33Falco98i didn't notice you come in
04:15:38JdGordonhey
04:15:39Falco98thanks for writing my patch :-D
04:15:50JdGordonno probs, ive just got it working perfectly :D
04:15:56JdGordonill do a compile for ya if u want
04:15:57Falco98oh?
04:16:06Falco98what did you change compared to the version you posted earlier?
04:16:18Falco98(and, did you get my 2 messages from within the past hour or so?)
04:16:48hardeepJdGordon: i took a look at the patch... it probably won't make it into cvs in it's current form...
04:16:51JdGordoni changed the way it stores the found directories.. much more memory efficient now and can store up to 2048.. and havnt checked
04:17:00Falco98nice
04:17:09JdGordonhardeep: why?
04:17:12Falco98how does / did it store found directories?
04:17:31hardeepJdGordon: it uses too much memory, is inefficient and imposes an unnecessary 32 dir limit on archos devices
04:17:44JdGordonhardeep: yep thats all fixed
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04:17:50JdGordonMUCH more memory efficient now
04:17:52hardeepJdGordon: you don't really need to traverse the entire directory tree first
04:18:17JdGordon?
04:18:42Falco98JG have you considered simply saving a list of the start / end indices of the albums-so-far in the playlist, and when you get to a new one, simply inserting it into a "random" spot?
04:18:55Falco98that's what was in the text snippet i posted on the tracker
04:19:16JdGordonim not sure that works..
04:20:07Falco98i'd think there would be a way
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04:20:39JdGordonjdgordon.homeip.net:8080/rockbox.iriver">http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/rockbox.iriver http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/new_insert_dirs_randomly.patch <- precompiled and the new patch
04:20:57Falco98basically u just take an array (or LL perhaps?) which stores the index positions or # of tracks in each folder inserted-so-far
04:21:22JdGordonhardeep: if your not busy, mind looking at that new patch and see if its closer to being acceptable?
04:21:41Falco98and when u insert a new folder, choose a "random" position in the array so far, and insert the new album into a position between 2 of the entries, using their contents to calculate the index on the playlist
04:21:48JdGordonFalco98: im not sure how the direcotry listing code works, and i dont think u can do that
04:22:31JdGordonback in 5
04:22:52Falco98k
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04:26:11Falco98is rockbox.iriver the only file i really need to change to use a slightly-newer-build?
04:26:39RoC_MMno?
04:26:50RoC_MM[isn't sure]
04:26:50Falco98hm
04:26:51JdGordonback
04:26:56Falco98i mean, a slightly-newer-compile
04:27:06JdGordonFalco98: ye, that shoiuld work by itself
04:27:12Falco98cool
04:28:29JdGordonit still needs more work. lemme know how slow it feels on the player
04:28:44Falco98ok
04:28:55Falco98i'll try it in a minute i think.. in the middle of an album now O:-)
04:29:05JdGordonhaha ok
04:29:08Falco98plus i have no taskbar, so i can't use "safely remove hardware" atm
04:29:16Falco98(my windows is b0rked)
04:29:32JdGordonif u didnt write anything to it then u dont ned tow oryy abuot hat
04:29:48Falco98anyway.. what do you think won't work about what hardeep and I say about using folder indexes to insert, instead of a whole tree traversal?
04:30:20JdGordonbecuase the folder indexes cant be stored when u go into subfolders...
04:30:29Falco98nono
04:30:37Falco98i think you've got the wrong idea about this
04:30:51Falco98when u start inserting folders, create a new (empty) array
04:30:56Falco98(array of integers)
04:31:21Falco98insert the first folder in the tree, it has 12 tracks, so make array[0] "12"
04:32:21Falco98go to insert the 2nd folder in the tree. pick a random position (in this case, 0 or 1 i guess). if it's 0, insert its tracks at the beginning of the playlist, if it's 1, insert it starting at position "12"
04:32:44JdGordonOOHHH... hmm... that sounds good
04:32:58Falco98and now add an entry to the array (let's say it's 15 tracks), so now the array is "12" then "15"
04:32:59*JdGordon only read the transcript half asleep
04:33:06Falco98hehe
04:33:36Falco98and each time, just pick a random spot to insert the folder at, calculate what index to insert it based on array[0] ++++ array[i]
04:33:57Falco98my programming is rusty, so u or hardeep may have more programming-sound ways of doing that
04:34:13Falco98i think he proposed a slightly-different-way which basically did the same thing, but i forget
04:34:38JdGordonye, that sounds much better. ill try it
04:34:42hardeepJdGordon: the approach that Falco98 describes would mean that you could do this all on the stack so you wouldn't waste any memory and you could insert tracks as you're traversing the directories so performance would improve
04:34:43Falco98but that way, you don't really need *any* memory (how big does an array of small integers get?), and no pre-churning
04:35:20hardeepand, you could do all of this within playlist_insert_directory()->add_directory_to_playlist() to save code
04:35:26hardeeper, to reuse code
04:35:26Falco98and the only tricky part is adjusting the array each time to contain the new int at the right spot
04:35:41*Falco98 agrees with hardeep (again)
04:37:15hardeepone minor issue in onplay with your current code: we probably shouldn't shuffle the entire playlist in this mode −− kind of defeats the purpose =)
04:38:15JdGordonwhen would it get shuffled other than if the user specifically asked it to be?
04:39:12hardeepJdGordon: i thought the idea was to shuffle the order the directories are played but not the order of the tracks within the directories
04:39:34hardeepby calling playlist_shuffle(), you're shuffling everything
04:39:52JdGordonbut it would only be called if they user asks for it to be shuffled.. no?
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04:40:39hardeepJdGordon: yes, but this option should supersede the global shuffle setting imp
04:40:54JdGordonah, ok
04:41:08hardeepif the user selected to insert the directory in this fashion then they probably don't want a full shuffle =)
04:41:09halooi have one quick question, if i upgrade teh ipod with this firmware, would i be able to use the ipod with my car with no issues?
04:41:29JdGordondepends how u connect it to your car
04:41:38hardeephaloo: depends on how you want to use it in your car
04:42:03haloousing a headunit that comes "ipod ready"
04:42:13haloolike alpine
04:42:19JdGordonu plug it in through the dock connector?
04:42:46halooyes
04:42:59JdGordonthen no.. thats not supported yet iirc
04:43:24JdGordonunless it only uses the audio-out from the connector and doesnt try controlling playback through it
04:44:02JdGordonhardeep: would a loop be much faster than recursion for this?
04:44:08halooi see, thanks.
04:44:33hardeepJdGordon: i don't think recursion is the cause of the slowdown
04:44:56hardeepJdGordon: I can't think of a clean way of doing a loop when dealing with subdirectories
04:45:21JdGordonnot so clean, but it could be done.. ok ill do it recursivly and see how slow it is
04:45:41Falco98JdGordon: are you working on the 'new' version now, then?
04:45:46hardeepthe reason the current version is slow is because you're traversing the directories twice, once to get the name and the second time to insert
04:46:09JdGordonand doing about 15 for(..) loops :D
04:46:30hardeephehe, the loops are not so bad
04:46:52Falco98JD and Hardeep: where are u guys, geographically?
04:47:00Falco98[if you don't mind saying]
04:47:03hardeepJdGordon: unrelated question for you: are you still working on the button mapping stuff you had e-mailed about last month?
04:47:14hardeepFalco98: San Francisco, USA
04:47:23JdGordonFalco98: 140 Lat, 39 Long :D
04:47:37JdGordondown under actually
04:47:38Falco98JdGordon: hmm.. i'm bad at math :-P
04:47:46Falco98ahh gotcha
04:47:50Falco98so it's morning there
04:48:22Falco98my brother is currently working on a boat somewhere near Los Angeles
04:48:24JdGordonhardeep: i havnt really touched it since then.. once 3.0 is out hen i guess it can get some attention again
04:48:50JdGordonits 12.47pm here...
04:49:17Falco98ahh gotcha
04:49:18hardeepJdGordon: ah, okay... there was an extension to that I was thinking about - user configuration key bindings
04:49:35hardeepthe stuff you were doing would be the first step to that
04:49:47hardeeper, that should be user configurable key bindings
04:50:17JdGordonye that would be good..
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05:00:30*sharpe coughs.
05:00:56JdGordonwell.. its coded... just gotta figure out why its crashing :D
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05:01:20JdGordonenjoy
05:01:25sharpewill do.
05:01:39sharpewhat were you working on anyway?
05:01:49JdGordonrandlomly adding dirs
05:01:53sharpeah
05:01:59sharpesomething i don't think i'll use.
05:02:01sharpe'kay
05:02:08JdGordonhaha.. prob not a good idea to do j = rand() % (*index); when *index can be 0 :D
05:02:24sharpeprobably not...
05:03:06sharpesleep time, 'night.
05:03:19hardeepbbl
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05:04:42Falco98haha
05:05:58JdGordonit works!!
05:06:05JdGordoni mean.. it works :)
05:06:18Falco98hehe
05:06:18Falco98yay!
05:06:37Falco98how's it work?
05:06:47JdGordonyour algo
05:07:00Falco98do you make an array of album-sizes and insert the new one at the position you added its tracks?
05:07:07JdGordonyup
05:07:25JdGordonpatch time..
05:09:08JdGordonjdgordon.homeip.net:8080/new_insert_dirs_randomly.patch">http://jdgordon.homeip.net:8080/new_insert_dirs_randomly.patch
05:09:44Falco98this the new one?
05:09:50JdGordonyup
05:09:55Falco98k
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05:13:11Falco98does it test out ok? or have you not run it yet
05:13:32JdGordoni just ran it on my h300 and it works except 1 folder was put in the midle of another one
05:13:57Falco98hmm
05:14:09Falco98so some index has gotten itself confused?
05:14:27JdGordonlooks like something like that
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05:18:17JdGordonim not sure how the playlist addds the dir at the position.. is it before or after that index??
05:18:48Falco98that sounds like something you need to do a simple-case test on
05:18:53Falco98(such as, 2 folders)
05:18:59JdGordoncbf :D
05:19:16Falco98and if you have it set wrong, one folder will go after like the 1st track of the previous one
05:20:34JdGordonbbl..
05:20:53Falco98k
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05:29:39haloohey i just install rockbox using this instruction http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot , but i'm getting this erro rockbox error -1
05:29:57halooyes i have .rockbox on the root directory ( E:/)
05:30:28halooi downloaded the lastest firmware ( ipod photo ) any help
05:31:31haloo?
05:31:57Falco98hmm
05:32:18Falco98have you made a post in the forum already?
05:33:12haloonop...
05:33:35AlbrightSame thing's happening with me. It just goes to the original firmware....
05:33:46AlbrightMaybe the current build is bad?
05:35:09halooyup, i'm going to try anotherone
05:35:19halooAlbright: did you fix yours?
05:35:26Albrighthttp://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodnano
05:35:42AlbrightLook at the file sizes... The one for today is nearly half the size as yesterday's...
05:35:47Falco98sorry guys, i'm not a dev.. plus need to go to bed now :-P
05:35:50halooi have ipod photo
05:35:56Falco98good luck tho, and definitely make some noise on the fourms
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05:36:22haloohttp://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=ipodcolor
05:36:27haloosame with the ipod photo
05:36:39AlbrightOdd.
05:36:49AlbrightI'm downloading yesterday's now. I'll give that a try.
05:37:03haloolet me try tthe old one
05:37:33webguest11yesterday's is no good. use 0509
05:37:45AlbrightOkay.
05:37:56haloowebguest11: for my ipod too?
05:38:14webguest11yup. 0510 and 0511 are both broken.
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05:40:17haloowebguest11; thanks, is working now
05:40:18haloo=)
05:41:35webguest11sure.
05:42:16webguest11i don't know what happened between 0509 and 0510, but something broke.
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05:51:41midkaydon't you guys read cvs logs? :)
05:52:03midkaythey're half the size on purpose: fonts were removed from the packages.
05:52:33RoC_MMare small fonts back?
05:52:49midkaysmall fonts? back?
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05:55:34RoC_MMwhy are fonts smaller now?
05:55:41RoC_MMthe default font was tiny before
05:56:05midkaynot sure what you mean. they aren't smaller.
05:56:44RoC_MMhmmm
05:56:48RoC_MMare packages half the size?
05:57:05midkayyes, model-specific download packages are around half the size.
05:57:41RoC_MMokays
05:57:58RoC_MMsomehow the word fonts must have appeared
05:58:02RoC_MMit must be late
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05:58:16midkayyes, i said, the fonts were removed from the packages.
05:58:19ivan`how do I install rockbox on the X5? I only have a .rockbox, not that and a rockbox.iaudio
05:58:22midkaynot reduced in size.. removed.
05:58:38midkayivan`, try a CVS build, that was fixed recently.
05:58:45ivan`ah thanks
05:59:01RoC_MMahh
05:59:10RoC_MMis there still a default font included?
05:59:19midkayRoC_MM, the fonts are now available as a seperate zip on the daily builds page.
05:59:34RoC_MMK.
05:59:51midkayit just saves download time, server bandwidth and installation/unzip time, since the fonts changed like once in an eternity.
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06:00:01midkayno reason to redownload/reinstall them all every time.
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06:00:21RoC_MMmmm
06:00:23RoC_MMthat does make sense
06:00:40ivan`x5_fw.bin from 2006-05-04 is the latest dual-boot loader, right?
06:01:16midkayif it says so, i suppose :)
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06:04:02ivan`firmware upgrade...
06:04:41ivan`haha it works
06:06:47ivan`damn this is responsive compared to that POS stock firmware
06:07:47ivan`damn this kicks ass
06:07:49ivan`ayeeeee
06:08:19ivan`maybe someone will get a clue and use rockbox as the default for their player
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06:17:24AlbrightHmm, okay, now it's working... Don't see how to get it to play music, though. Select "rockbox" from the main menu?
06:17:43midkayAlbright, huh? model?
06:18:44AlbrightiPod nano... Hmm, I'm seeing I have to do special steps to get it to recognise the iTunes-installed music...
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06:22:26RoC_MMit's been helpfully renamed to random filenames in random folders
06:22:37RoC_MMit's really been quite obfustacated
06:22:54RoC_MMI do thing TagCache would allow you to start playing music right away though
06:23:18RoC_MMMost people discard their iTunes/iPod_control folder and use Rockbox as a regular file-tree based music player
06:24:07AlbrightWell, I want to still be able to work with the original firmware, 'cuz I have some stuff I've bought from iTMS I still want to use...
06:24:58RoC_MMleave that in
06:25:08RoC_MMremove the rest of the stuff and load it right onto the drive in folders
06:25:14RoC_MMor better yet
06:25:26RoC_MMremove that DRm they encumbered it with
06:25:31RoC_MMeventually you'll lose that music
06:25:36RoC_MMyou need to convert it
06:25:41RoC_MMlike with hymn or something
06:26:07ivan`does the latest CVS have a broken "now playing" screen?
06:30:11AlbrightMight try that. The Tag Cache updating thing doesn't seem to be working.
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06:34:02ivan`everything sounds different with rockbox. the hdd spindown and the DSP discharge
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06:55:07midkayAlbright, it updates in the background.. when your disk shuts down, you'll know it
06:55:09midkayit's done.
06:56:22AlbrightBut the nano has flash memory...
06:56:28ivan`if i waited for rockbox i wouldn't have wasted 6 days of my life writing a sync script that worked within a bunch of stupid limitations
06:56:41midkayah, that just occurred.. well, the disk icon in the upper right corner is shown if files are being accessed.
06:56:45midkaywait for it to turn off, then.
06:56:46ivan`it's so good you'll want to void your warranty :(
06:56:53midkayhaha.
06:57:41AlbrightThe icon to the right of the time display? Okay, that's been off for some time...
06:57:42ivan`namil-8 owns
06:58:04midkayAlbright, yes. that one. the update from scratch would only take like a minute for nano, i'd imagine.
06:58:33dongshm
06:59:03AlbrightSo now I shut it down, right?
06:59:10midkayyes, reboot it..
06:59:12AlbrightTurning it back on...
06:59:39midkaythen just switch to id3 browser "show files" mode with the quickscreen (hold MENU in the browser) or in general settings - file view - show files.
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07:01:30AlbrightHmm, it doesn't seem to be showing everything, but this is a start...
07:01:42midkayit'd be showing anything that was supported.
07:02:01AlbrightOh, wait, I forgot to transfer those things in iTunes, so you're right, it's probably showing everything.
07:02:09dj-fudoes tag cache work?
07:02:16midkayin fact it does.
07:02:21AlbrightSo do I have to rebuild the tag cache every time I transfer stuff with iTunes?
07:02:23dj-fuI just set mine to id3 database in show files mode and it said 'tag cache is not ready'
07:03:38AlbrightThanks for all your help, midkay. I think I've got what I wanted now.
07:03:51midkaydj-fu, try rebooting your unit.
07:03:54midkayAlbright, no problem.
07:03:56JdGordongo into the playback options and go "force tag update"
07:04:17midkayJdGordon, the 'not ready' message seems to fix itself with a reboot each time i use it..
07:04:19dj-fudoes a tag update take a while?
07:04:38midkayseems to be as a result of an incomplete update, e.g. it automatically or manually updated the database files but you need to reboot to commit them.
07:04:44JdGordonoh ok.. i just assumed it means the cache hasnt been built.. i dont actually use tagcahce
07:04:49JdGordonhardeep: around?
07:04:59dj-fuit's got the little disk access icon in the top right, maybe it's doing something
07:05:56dj-fulol, under tag cache info in the debug thing
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07:07:46dj-fumaybe it's borked in this daily build i'm using
07:08:00JdGordonfor a tag update...
07:08:03JdGordonand reboot..
07:08:09JdGordonand throw it aganst the wall..
07:08:19midkaywait for the update to finish, of course. the disk access icon means 'busy'.
07:08:31dj-fuI think it's getting stuck trying to access the disk
07:08:37dj-futhis was happening earlier actually on song change
07:11:32midkayplayback'
07:11:38midkayplayback's still a bit screwy.
07:11:46midkayi've never had any disk access problems outside playback..
07:18:54ivan`i have a 100x100 px bmp with a wps that supports album art, but it's not using it
07:19:59Paul_The_Nerdivan`: Is your build patched to support album art?
07:20:12ivan`probably not
07:20:18ivan`latest CVS for the X5
07:20:48Paul_The_NerdThat would be why it doesn't work. Album Art doesn't exist in the official CVS yet.
07:21:22ivan`would i have to build it myself?
07:21:35ivan`heh i'll go google
07:21:40AlbrightSo do I have to rebuild the tag cache every time I transfer stuff with iTunes?
07:22:08Paul_The_Nerdivan`: Yeah, you'd have to build it yourself
07:23:07Paul_The_NerdAlbright: It depends. If you have dircache enabled, and tagcache set to memory, it should show up after a reboot, I believe. You transfer, it boots, dircache detects new files, then the next time you reboot TagCache should commit again. I think. If it's not in memory, then yeah, I believe you have to force it each time so far.
07:23:13*Paul_The_Nerd could be wrong
07:23:20Paul_The_NerdThings change without me noticing often enough. ;-)
07:23:30ivan`is the album art too buggy to be committed?
07:24:24Paul_The_Nerdivan`: We're in feature freeze. It's against the rules for it to be committed. It's also waiting on some changes to how metadata is buffered, I *think*
07:24:34ivan`got it
07:24:41ivan`i found a patched version on a forum
07:27:07hardeepJdGordon: back
07:28:29JdGordonhey
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07:29:43hardeepi took a look at your new patch −− definitely moving in the right direction =)
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07:30:01hardeepi noticed a couple of bugs in the logic though
07:30:09JdGordonye?
07:31:15hardeepthe dir_indicies are not being set properly
07:31:42JdGordonthat could be why it likes putting folders towards the end of other ones instead of after them..
07:31:51hardeepnamely, you're almost certainly not inserting at album boundaries
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07:32:34JdGordonwhats the bug? it looks ok to me?
07:32:38hardeepyou need to update at index r and shift everything after
07:32:56hardeepthat way your track counts correspond to real album boundaries
07:34:20ivan`wow it works
07:34:58dongserm
07:35:01dongsis todays daily build
07:35:03dongsfucked on mini1g?
07:35:08dongsit doesnt boot past the logo
07:35:27hardeepa couple of other observations: 1. no need to make the array static, just reduce the maximum number of sub folders to something like 512 and leave the array on the stack
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07:36:14hardeep2. it would be cool if you rolled this logic directly into the playlist_insert_directory/add_directory_to_playlist calls to avoid redundancy
07:36:38Paul_The_Nerddongs: Because it's missing the rockbox.ipod. Why use the daily anyway?
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07:37:33JdGordonhardeep: the current way is supposed to add up the number of tracks before the wanted and put it there... so we dont have to fix all the ondicies after every update..?
07:38:27dongsno its not missing it LOL.
07:38:47hardeepJdGordon: yeah, the counting is correct... the problem is that your array doesn't actually correspond to where the album has really been inserted so the track counts won't put you at album boundaries
07:40:01JdGordonah.. grr. i get ya now..
07:40:26JdGordonslight PITA to fix :p
07:40:34JdGordonrb has memcpy right?
07:40:35dongsyou guys arent making your product anymore attractive right now.
07:40:39dongsdaily build fucking fails to boot
07:40:49JdGordonyess :D another happy cusotmer :D
07:40:58hardeepJdGordon: it does, but just shifting the array values will do the trick just as well
07:41:46Paul_The_Nerddongs: It is missing from the daily archives. Not to mention the fact that there's absolutely no reason the daily would be any more stable than any other build.
07:42:09dongsuh?
07:42:13dongshow the fuck is it missing
07:42:16dongsi am looking at it RIGHT NOW.
07:42:20dongsrockbox.ipod
07:42:25dongsits in todays daily.
07:42:30Paul_The_NerdOh, right, the 12th
07:42:35dongs??
07:42:36midkaycalm down..
07:42:45Paul_The_NerdIt's missing from the 11th
07:43:00Paul_The_NerdEither way, yeah, recent mini builds haven't booted.
07:43:10dongsheh
07:43:12Paul_The_NerdOr have at least had issues booting.
07:43:13dongsNICE TO KNOW THIS
07:43:19dj-fuNice to read CVS comments
07:43:19dongsso which one DOES boot?
07:43:20Paul_The_NerdWell, you clearly know it now.
07:43:36dongslolol
07:43:49Paul_The_NerdIt's not our responsibility to know which one boots. It's not released yet, so in using it, you're volunteering to test.
07:43:50Paul_The_NerdYou tell me.
07:44:02dj-fu"let me try this cvs daily build without reading the notes about it, in particular if it boots or not"
07:44:14dongsso what SHOULD i use?
07:44:27Paul_The_NerdWhat do you mean?
07:44:35JdGordonhardeep: does this look better?
07:44:35dj-fuIt's probably too complex for you dongs, try the default firmware
07:44:37JdGordonplaylist_insert_directory(NULL,dir,k,queue,0);
07:44:37JdGordon for (i=(*index);i>r;i−−)
07:44:38JdGordon {
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07:44:38JdGordon dir_indicies[i] = dir_indicies[i-1];
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07:44:40JdGordon dir_indicies[r] = playlist_amount() - old_size;
07:45:01dj-fuwhat are you working on, JdGordon ?
07:45:17hardeepJdGordon: yup, looks good
07:45:19JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338
07:46:40dongs5/1 boots i think.
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07:46:49Paul_The_Nerd5/09 boots according to reports in the forum.
07:48:09dongsfucking apple
07:48:17JdGordonsweet it works :D
07:48:17dongswhy the fuck is it hiding the fucking ipod dir
07:48:22dongsdrive
07:48:26dongshow do i turn that OFF
07:48:45dj-fupardon?
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07:48:54Paul_The_Nerddj-fu: He's bitching that it's not showing up as a drive, I guess.
07:49:01dongscan access ipod's 'f:' drive from cmd, but fucking explorer says its invalid
07:49:10dj-fuah. Windows is your problem.
07:49:20markunimpossible
07:49:22dongslol, no APPLE is my problem
07:49:26CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
07:49:26*dj-fu chuckles
07:49:28dongsbecause this idiot installed jewtunes.
07:49:35dongswhich i never installed on my computer.
07:49:38dongsso i do not have such problem
07:49:40markundongs: new gigabeats use windows (hint)
07:49:42dj-fudongs, enable disk mode in iTunes
07:49:51dongsits grayed out
07:50:19dongsnext?
07:50:20dj-fu(pwned!)
07:50:26Paul_The_Nerddongs: Talk to apple, it's their problem
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07:50:33dj-fuyeah, do the 5 R's :D
07:50:35ivan`jewtunes is pretty nasty stuff
07:51:02markunivan`: you are almost as funny as dongs
07:51:10ivan`:(
07:51:13dongsmarkun: btw i lied about thumb.
07:51:19markunwhy?
07:51:21dongsacorrding to my qualcomm contact, it is faster.
07:51:28JdGordonivan`: jewtunes?
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07:51:34dongsi was under impression that wasnt the case.
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07:51:55markunI don't know if preglow or linuxstb did any tests with thumb. At least they talked about it.
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07:52:49dongsthe 16bit instuctions can still address 32bit space, and 2 instructions can be pulled from cache at a time, even though some oeprations take more htan one instruction generally its still faster.
07:52:54markundongs: I hope they use each halfword in the cache when in thumb mode
07:53:08markunnice
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07:54:34dongsthis is from the brew engineer, and brew runs on qualcomm hw which is arm7/9-compatible
07:54:41***Alert Mode OFF
07:54:43dongsso their recommendation was to use thumb
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07:55:05markundongs: do you perhaps know if it switches back from thumb mode when in receives an interrupt?
07:55:14dongslet me ask
07:56:01markunThe idea was to use thumb everywhere, except some asm optimized code
07:58:14dongs'not sure, i think it does a mode switch to arm'
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07:58:32markunI'll check the manual
07:59:32midkayB4gder?
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08:01:05B4gderyes?
08:01:46dongsmarkun: sounds like a good idea.
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08:02:43midkayB4gder, i wanted to suggest making a news post on the front page about the daily build font removal.. seems like a lot of people are asking about why the dailies are half the size now.
08:03:39dongsheh
08:03:45dongsi wwas wondering that too
08:03:46dongsOH
08:03:53dongsdoes not having fonts not make it boot?
08:03:55midkayeverybody's been wondering it..
08:03:57dongsor b default it uses the built in font right?
08:04:22midkaylack of fonts wouldn't (shouldn't) cause a bootup problem.
08:04:35dongsk
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08:12:11JdGordonis an int on all targets 32bits?
08:12:20dongslol hopefully.
08:17:53B4gderour stale gmini port uses 16bit ints
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08:18:15B4gderbut I don't see that ever taking off
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08:25:01B4gderI love it how the cvs builds got faster
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08:26:54midkayyeah, cool :)
08:33:59dongsfasteR?
08:36:25midkaysince fonts were taken off the daily/cvs builds..
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08:37:36dongsoh i thought you meant faster as in it doesnt actually lag/skip now.
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08:38:07midkayyou did in fact think wrong.
08:38:28scorchewasnt the first time
08:38:47midkaywas there ever a first time *not* thinking wrong? ;)
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08:49:19ravonIs the WPS screen updated even though the backlight/LCD is turned off?
08:49:42B4gderyes and no
08:49:52B4gder:-)
08:50:02ravon:D
08:50:14B4gderthe lower level LCD functions don't do anything when the LCD is off
08:50:26B4gderbut higher levels still do (too much)
08:50:35ravonWhat about scrolling the text, moving the time slider etc?
08:51:12B4gderthe lower level LCD functions don't do anything when the LCD is off
08:51:42ravonWell, that's not really what I'm asking. Does it still update the buffer that WOULD be flushed out to the LCD if it was on?
08:52:09B4gderit updates the buffer but doesn't update the lcd
08:52:13ravonOki, thanks.
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09:15:36Zagorsourceforge is splitting up their cvs server. finally.
09:16:39B4gderyeah, but still delays the anonymous ones
09:17:00Zagorhrmpf
09:17:56B4gderthen again, I don't use any projects by CVS from SF anymore I think
09:18:07B4gderanonymous that is
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09:27:55markunZagor: did you do any tests yet with svn and git?
09:28:16Zagora little just after devcon.
09:28:25Zagornot enough to make a decision
09:29:07markunrenaming and moving without losing the commit log would be so nice
09:29:16Zagorindeed
09:30:09markunI tried to close some bug reports yesterday, but new bugs pop up almost as fast as I can close them :)
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09:32:25peturmarkun: I know the feeling ;)
09:35:15theli_uai suppose vitrual keyboard can't be used from plugins?
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09:36:02markunDoesn't the editor use it?
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09:36:14theli_uahm
09:37:35theli_uarb->kbd_input ?
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09:39:06markuntheli_ua: yes, looks like it
09:39:20markunWhat kind of plugin are you thinking of?
09:40:10theli_uawell, i'm thinking of possible ways of pressing keys (for example select controls type) in my spectrum emulator plugin
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09:42:24markunDon't you just need a menu for that?
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09:42:42muesli|delhiho
09:42:59theli_uamarkun, i thought virtual keyboard would be better :)
09:43:58theli_uamarkun, you see... when spectrum says 'press key key_name' to select kempston joystick as a controller .... and you go through menus to find that key :?
09:46:20markunAh, that spectrum (ZX) :) I thought you wanted to write a spectrum analyzer or something. Didn't read it well.
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10:24:43markunlinuxstb: did you ever do any tests with compiling rockbox with thumb code?
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10:29:35linuxstbNo.
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10:31:05guillaumehi
10:31:29guillaumeI have a little question
10:31:50guillaumein the rockbox manuel for iaudio X5
10:32:24guillaumeit is written :
10:32:38guillaumeto access to the main menu hold play key
10:32:50guillaumeand when i press this key nothing append
10:33:08B4gderyou should press the REC key
10:33:13guillaumeI have the build of yesterday
10:33:39guillaumeit is the main menu ???
10:33:43B4gderyes
10:33:50B4gderunless you press it long
10:34:23guillaumeok with Shuffle
10:34:29guillaumeRepeat
10:34:31guillaumeetc..
10:34:34guillaume?
10:34:37B4gderthat's a long press
10:34:42B4gderthat's the quick screen
10:35:03guillaumeok I will try this
10:35:05guillaumethx
10:35:27B4gderyou're welcome
10:36:28guillaumeok it's work...
10:36:39guillaumeI must drink more coffee...
10:37:19guillaumeI install rockbox for a blind people
10:37:30guillaumeand the vocalisation is strange
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10:38:28guillaumeThe voice read not the same of the text in the menu
10:38:33guillaumeis that normal
10:38:35guillaume?
10:38:59dongssure
10:39:02dongsthey changed the menu
10:39:05dongsand nobody revoiced the voice file
10:39:09dongshwo is that strange
10:40:03guillaumeok is there an howto to make my own voice file ?
10:40:11B4gderyes
10:40:23B4gderin the wiki
10:40:30peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BlindUsersIndex
10:40:37guillaumeok thx
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11:14:42amiconnB4gder: Btw, is it logical to have the quick screen come up on a long press? It is called 'quick screen'...
11:15:11petur:)
11:15:13B4gderhehe, yeah
11:16:03*amiconn is waiting for Linus...
11:16:13B4gderkeep on waiting ;-)
11:16:20B4gderhe won't be in today I say
11:16:20amiconnmrf :/
11:16:39B4gdercompany thing today, I'm off too soon
11:16:56*scorche isnt going to sleep tonight
11:20:50*amiconn needs someone with knowledge about the X5 hardware...
11:23:57amiconnI'll write a driver for the coldfire audio interface, in order to solve potential and real clashes between recording monitor, playback, and voice
11:24:37amiconnI need to know (1) Does the X5 have spdif (in? out?)? (2) Which IIS channel is used for recording
11:24:51amiconnI also have questions regarding target_tree
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11:50:53peturB4gder: are the fonts supposed to be (only) in the daily builds?
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11:51:11B4gderthey're currently in a separate daily font archive
11:51:41B4gderif it turns out too awkward we can make the daily builds with fullzip
11:52:31peturmaybe that's better for the casual downloaders
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11:57:09preglowaren't the dailies just the last cvs build?
11:57:25preglowof the day, that is
11:59:08Judge2112Apologies if this has been addressed before, but with the latest CVS , when I "make zip" I get the following: "Skip xxx.wps due to size restraints"
11:59:38peturnew wps bundeling system
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12:01:17Judge2112do I have to bundle the "Skipped" ones manually now?
12:01:58amiconnpreglow: Had a look at my recording monitor changes?
12:02:11peturI think we're only bundeling those wpses that match the screen size
12:02:18B4gderhttp://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/05/20060503004919.shtml
12:02:24B4gderipod users liking ipod os
12:02:36PaulJami think the skipped wps are those which don't look good on the displaysize
12:03:12Judge2112ok. Thanks for the clarification.
12:04:36Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: I thought the dailies were still built non-distributed, or are they just copied over from the last CVS?
12:05:01petur"... and don't want to bother burning/ripping the songs and dealing with associated loss (since someone is bound to point that out)..." hahahaha
12:05:24amiconnB4gder: Haha, 'lose some ease of use'
12:05:29peturthe m4p files are better quality than a ripped cd :)
12:05:32Paul_The_Nerd"and attempts to offer additional functionality" <−−- Doesn't the word attempt imply lack of success?
12:06:41preglowamiconn: barely
12:06:48preglowgoing to try out later
12:07:10Paul_The_NerdThat's a really negatively written initial post, I feel. =/
12:07:13linuxstb"yeah! i have iPodLinux on my 5G 30GB iPod its awesome. I tried a beta release of rockbox and it crashed my iPod." ....
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12:08:40preglowWow - time for Apple Legal to get on the ball with this thing before it causes ipod failures left and right.
12:08:41MikachuWant to impress me? Put Windows XP on your iPod. That's why I got boot camp. for the spider solitaire. love that game.
12:08:43preglowhahahah
12:08:46Mikachudoesn't rockbox have spider solitaire?
12:08:48scorcheWow - time for Apple Legal to get on the ball with this thing before it causes ipod failures left and right....wait...if installing Rockbox voids the warrantee then GeniusBar would have to charge to fix it - upside: an influx in revenue from repairs. Downside: an influx in repairs. Something about this story rubbed me the wrong way.
12:08:50scorchehah
12:09:16Mikachuor is that klondike?
12:09:25Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Someone there doesn't believe we have gapless playback on MP3, just because his winamp doesn't do it right.
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12:09:45guillaume_ where can I find the structure of the .lng files ?
12:09:59Mikachu"OGG and FLAC are equivalent to AAC and Apple Lossless, except they are open source and used only in very very niche markets (Read: Linux users)." lolz
12:10:14guillaume_because the makevoices.vbs is based of the old .lang
12:10:42peturapple supports gapless because "there is an option in itunes to encode the whole cd as one track" ROTFL
12:10:42amiconn.lang and .lng are 2 different things
12:10:54guillaume_can you explain ?
12:11:00amiconnBut yes, makevoices is in need of an update
12:11:39preglowPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, i saw
12:11:49preglowwell, they're mac zealots
12:11:50preglowno surprise
12:11:59Moosthat remind me I need to update the few new strings missing in the francais.lang
12:12:06guillaume_what is to update
12:13:15guillaume_is there any documentation ?
12:14:43MoosWhat do you want to know? (tout est dans le wiki)
12:15:56crwl"Playback with gaps is intentional. Missing gaps can be very annoying." hehe
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12:16:59guillaume_I wan't to now how to make my own voices files
12:17:04Moosguillaume_: about voices? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding
12:17:37guillaume_ok i have read that but : Note: MakeVoices.vbs no longer works with the current dailys due to the .lang file structure having changed.
12:17:48preglowman, that was almost as annoying as reading slashdot
12:18:19markunguillaume_: someone will fix it
12:18:28scorchei found it amusing
12:18:28Moosyeah
12:18:50Mikachui think there are worse things in the world to get annoyed about, if you're determined to get annoyed
12:19:08Moosmarkun/guillaume: maybe I'll make it myself if I found time to do it
12:19:16guillaume_may be I can :S
12:19:17PaulJam"SO what? This is totally useless garbage, and of little use to anyone." <= either the original firmware is much better than i thought or he didnt try Rockbox.
12:19:36Moosguillaume: please do ;)
12:19:45guillaume_I will try
12:19:57guillaume_but where I can find the .lang files ?
12:20:20Moosguillaume_: keep in mind I'll update the current .lang for sync with english
12:20:24guillaume_excuse the lot of question but I have find rockbox this morning :)
12:20:39scorchePaulJam: and apparently, we are "trying to convert the world"
12:21:12Moosguillaume_: apps/lang/francais
12:21:57guillaume_ok ths
12:21:59guillaume_thx
12:22:07Moosde rien
12:22:09Moos:)
12:22:44guillaume_et tu as des dtails sur le modifs qui ont t apports la structure de ce fichier ?
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12:22:57Moospv for french
12:23:05guillaume_ok
12:23:09guillaume_sorry :p
12:23:21Paul_The_NerdPaulJam: If you read most of that, it's pretty evident that MAYBE one person has even visited our webpage or has any clue what the software is actually like (outside two who claimed to use it on Archos, which isn't indicative, and one who was using it "5 months ago" on 4G)
12:24:11TeaSeaPaul_The_Nerd: :P
12:24:37Mikachudid rb run on ipods 5 months ago?
12:24:46PaulJami haven't yet read all the comments
12:24:57TeaSeaMikachu: nope!
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12:25:07MikachuPaulJam: get some popcorn first
12:25:13scorchewe had sound in jan if i am not mistaken....
12:25:22linuxstbMikachu: Yes, but without sound. Sound came on the 4g/Nano at the end of January, and on the 5g a couple of weeks later.
12:25:33Mikachuah right
12:25:33TeaSeaProved me wrong.
12:26:27linuxstbThe first ipod commit to CVS was around the start of November IIRC.
12:27:01Mikachuit sounds likely that it didn't work so well then
12:27:42Paul_The_NerdActually, it wasn't bad. I was able to use it fulltime on my Nano from the day it supported sound.
12:28:09Paul_The_NerdOf course, it wasn't as impressive as it is now graphically, and if you were listening to MP3 you could expect skipping.
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12:30:16linuxstbChecking the logs, the ipod button driver was committed to CVS on the 17th December - so I guess that can be thought of as the date the port started to become usable.
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12:31:29Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: You could play bejeweled. That was always nice.
12:31:41kclafheh
12:31:49kclafberocked
12:32:32Paul_The_NerdJewels
12:32:42kclafyea i know
12:33:21kclafbtw, were there soe playback improvements last few weeks for Ipod 5G, last time i tried i had some skipping on MP3s w/ EQ ON and Crossfeed ON
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12:34:10kclafi should try latest build prolly
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12:34:58Paul_The_Nerdkclaf: You'll probably still have 'em, though the MP3 codec was improved a bit semi-recently.
12:37:09kclafok thanks
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12:40:25Paul_The_NerdApparently TagCache can only index the directory listing limit of files? :(
12:41:21markunpreglow: did tomasz' libmad patch improve decoding a lot?
12:41:30preglowthe libmad one didn't apply
12:41:37preglowsince toni's changes
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13:00:31markunI think that move down should give you the next item in set_option and not move up. Is it ok if I change it?
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13:01:25Mikachuaren't most numeric options ordered smaller->larger?
13:01:51Mikachudown to make a larger number seems a bit weird
13:02:13markunat least in the codec selection it's weird now
13:02:17markuncodepage
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13:02:19markunnot codec
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13:03:08markunBut for numbers you are probably right
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13:15:56baobab68hi all
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13:21:42baobab68nobody home?
13:21:48peturboo
13:25:02baobab68aaargh!
13:25:12baobab68:-)
13:25:29baobab68quiet tonight, guess everyone's in the northern hemisphere
13:25:37baobab68sydney here
13:25:48theli_uai have 14:26 here ;)
13:25:52Nibbler1325
13:26:12baobab682122
13:26:55baobab68so everyone "up there" is hard at work in day jobs maybe
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13:28:00baobab68i came to ask about the UDA1380 WSPLL changes that went through CVS today... anyone about who has an opinion on their effect on battery life?
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13:29:40peturbaobab68: do a benchmark and let us know ;)
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13:32:11dongszzz
13:32:11baobab68i am about to put experimental on... my battery doesn't have enough life in it these days to afford to run it right down...i read the datasheet and the UDA uses max 67mW at full steam... I wondered how this rates compared to the power usage of a hard drive and the coldfire itself?
13:32:37baobab68i will be able to give a gut feeling but not concrete A-B results.
13:33:21baobab68i miss my Replaygain and Crossfade but I dream about them eating my battery these days.
13:34:03peturthose two options shouldn't affect battery life much
13:34:12peturEQ and crossfeed do
13:34:48peturpreglow will probably correct me ;)
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13:35:23pregloweq and crossfeed use no battery!"!!"!"!##
13:35:30preglowthey are powered by love
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13:35:56baobab68i reason that crossfade uses extra processor during the crossfade itself, but not otherwise, and replaygain should be only "turning up the volume control behind the scenes" (or is it a DSP function applied through the whole track?)
13:36:00kclaflol preglow
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13:36:44baobab68all of my reasoning is based on...err...nothing actually...
13:38:20markunbaobab68: dsp, but it's just 1 multiply for each sample
13:39:31baobab68thanks markun. i always wondered if it just fiddled with an output setting or if it actually modified the samples. guess i should have thought about it some more. if it has clipping prevention and a preamp is stands to reason it's DSPing the whole thing
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13:45:02preglowcrossfade might use more battery than usual
13:45:12preglowit boosts the cpu waaay earlier with crossfade enabled
13:45:16preglowso the cpu is boosted more often
13:46:37baobab68sounds like i can learn to live without it for now. i kind of enjoy actually just "going" to the next song rather than easing my way there....
13:47:52baobab68i went back to iRiver firmware to compare "how things work" over there...I lasted about 5 mins, but during that time I was amazed how often it turns on the hard drive. it's like they forgot that they have a RAM buffer in which to store data....
13:49:39baobab68i've rediscovered all my music this week, just got some new headphones....found instruments i never knew were there
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13:50:31preglowheh
13:50:47preglowiriver only stores 3 tracks in ram at a time
13:50:49preglowwastes quite a bit
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13:52:18peturhow many tracks do we store? all that fits?
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13:53:00preglowyeah
13:53:06pregloweverythign we can stow in
13:53:08preglowincluding partial tracks
13:53:13preglowup to until 15 tracks, i think
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13:53:22preglowbut lostlogic's got a patch that lets you store as many as you like
13:53:32preglowhoping it'll fit in after 3.0
13:53:52*petur doesn't know about the playback part of rb
13:54:04pepie34Ho
13:54:08pepie34Hi
13:54:14peturHe
13:54:33pepie34I've got an ipod remote controler (use the serial port)
13:54:42peturnope
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13:54:53pepie34seems to work for vol + vol _
13:55:07pepie34but i do not find it in the src code
13:55:20pepie34do you thing it is hardware?
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13:57:02pepie34?
13:57:08pepie34ou ou?
13:57:31pepie34ok
13:57:37peturrockbox doesn't use the ipod serial port yet I think
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13:58:10pepie34strange because according to ipolinux doc it must trigger some soft
13:58:18pepie34an other question
13:58:44pepie34I've got the rockboy source check out correctly from CVS
13:59:02pepie34but it does not compile when configure to ipod video
13:59:14pepie34How should i add it to the default plugin set?
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14:02:33baobab68thanks all for ur comments on battery-related stuff, off to listen to some tracks with paulheu's latest experimental... already found a few new nice things in it... usb charging by default, for example... nice...
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14:07:57pepie34?
14:10:27petursorry, I'm not an ipodder
14:12:03pepie34what i mean is where is the list of the plugins to compile?
14:12:15pepie34why it is not ipod enabled?
14:12:30pepie34(the plugin wiki page say it is ok for ipod video)
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14:13:35peturlook at the FILES and SOURCES files if it is excluded for your platform
14:15:21theli_uapepie34, RockBoy compiles for video
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14:15:34pepie34not for me
14:15:43pepie34no rockboy.rock generated
14:15:44theli_uapepie34, what makes you think so?
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14:15:49theli_uareally?
14:15:53pepie34I mean it should compiles
14:16:02theli_uapepie34, where did you looked for it?
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14:16:09pepie34but no compilation is done on it
14:16:45theli_uapepie34, why can't you just download binary cvs build?
14:17:01pepie34:)
14:17:05pepie34to easy
14:17:08pepie34:)
14:17:16peturpepie34: check the SUBDIRS file in apps/plugins
14:17:33pepie34yes build/apps/plugins
14:17:38theli_uapetur, i've just checked .. rockboy enabled for video
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14:18:02peturyes I see it now too
14:18:05dpropepie34: I haven't tested rockboy but it should be there you need a gb rom file it doesn't show up in the browse plugins menu AFAIK
14:18:10linuxstb_I was about to say the same - Rockboy has always worked on the 5g, and I've just double-checked with current CVS.
14:18:39linuxstb_Try "find -name rockboy.rock" in your build directory after you've compiled.
14:18:52pepie34OK know my error
14:18:58pepie34it was actually there
14:19:06pepie34but not in the extension list
14:19:12pepie34sorry guys
14:19:34theli_uapepie34, you said you read the wiki ... it certainly says it acts like a viewer
14:19:48pepie34yes i remember now
14:19:52pepie34sorry
14:20:30dprostill a screen that actually show which viewers are enabled might be a good idea though ...
14:20:43dpros/show/shows/
14:20:45linuxstb_The "open with" screen does that.
14:20:45pepie34I want to write some code for the serial things on ipod
14:21:00dprolinuxstb: ah good ...
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14:21:12pepie34where should i put files?
14:21:13*dpro never needs any dreaded "viewers" ;)
14:21:38pepie34should i start a think like target/arm/ipod
14:21:52dpropepie34: huh ?
14:22:13pepie34because putting all stuff in the driver folder seems to me quite confusing
14:23:02linuxstb_I wouldn't worry about that for now - the target directory system is still being developed. If I was you, I would just focus on attempting to get the code working.
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14:23:22Mooslinuxstb_: are you able to commit one really quick fix to english.lang? , I forget to mentioned it before, but I fixed it in french .lang
14:24:18pepie34My concern is that the #IFDEF ARCH1 #IFDEF ARCH2 .... is a bit unreadable
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14:25:01pepie34especially the serial.c is made not to implement thing for other platform
14:25:02pepie34:)
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14:25:52linuxstbMoos: I'm not familiar with langv2, but if the change is simple, then I'll commit.
14:26:07Mooslinuxstb_: line 5504 and 5507 one typo, one tab there made VBR info not working
14:26:17Moosyes just one typo
14:26:24Moosone tab
14:26:26linuxstbpepie34: LinusN is the person to discuss the new target directory system with - but I don't think he's around today.
14:26:58Mooslinuxstb: VBR isn't showed in tag viewer in english, in french there is :)
14:27:15dpropepie34: well the #ifdefs scattered all over the place aren't exactly elegant but what do you propose as a solution ?
14:27:18pepie34OK
14:27:50pepie34dpro it is ok for me but for drivers it is no really a good idea i thing
14:28:07Mooslinuxstb: I thought no need to make a patch just for this :)
14:28:11linuxstbMoos: I can't see any TAB characters there - do you mean the space character?
14:28:19Moosyes
14:28:30Moosthis is a mistake
14:28:48linuxstbIt also seems to be in all the other language files...
14:28:59Moosnot in french :)
14:29:23Moosit seems I'm the only one spoted this typo
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14:30:24MoosVBR indication in the viewer is shown in french since I fixed it, but I forget to change this for english too and other .langs too
14:30:34Mooswant a patch for all .lang?
14:31:30Moosin the viewer the vbr tag is shown like this: ex: 192(VBR)
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14:32:48linuxstbWhy doesn't it work if there's a space there?
14:33:23MoosI guess is one GENLANG thing, since there isn't space character anywhere
14:34:07Moosbut maybe I'm wrong, this is just a typo :)
14:35:08Moosoh no silly me that works in english anyway with V2 it seems
14:35:40Moosand it's considered like space character :)
14:35:45Moosgoodie
14:36:08*Moos go back finish the francais.lang update
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14:39:00linuxstbMoos: So it's all OK?
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14:39:46Moosyes with V2 that is, sorry for the false alert :)
14:41:19Piif I find a mistake in the manual do i just report it using the bug tracker?
14:41:42peturor create a patch
14:41:46linuxstbPi: Yes. You can even post a patch..
14:41:48RedBrevayou could correct it?
14:42:02petur:D
14:43:02Pinever looked at latex before
14:43:20RedBrevaI would, however, conceed that a bug report without a patch, is better than no report at all ;)
14:47:16qwm:)
14:48:07Piadded the report
14:50:10RedBrevaOK, I'll have a quick look at that...
14:51:35bluebrotherRedBreva: this mistake also applies for the ondio −− at least the "go to main menu" entry
14:51:56bluebrotherunfortunately I can't look up the correct key now.
14:52:00RedBreva;-)
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14:54:18RedBrevaAnyone with an x5 about?
14:54:34RedBrevaWhats the key to enter the main menu on that platform?
14:54:56Paul_The_NerdI don't have one, but a tiny voice in my head says "record", I'm probably wrong.
14:55:17RedBrevaI think you may be right, I had the same little voice nagging me too
14:55:39Moosyes rec is the one
14:55:48RedBrevaThanks
14:58:45RedBrevaWhich bit of code do I need to look at to check key allocation for Main menu entry? (Just to be sure for All platforms)
14:59:22linuxstbThey are in apps/tree.h
14:59:30RedBrevaThanks ;)
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15:37:49RedBrevaOndio is confusing me... 'Mode'=File Browser, 'Hold Mode'=Context Menu, How do you get to Main Menu from in WPS?
15:38:18RedBrevaMode again in the Context menu works!
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15:39:07Hansmaulwurfhi
15:39:23Hansmaulwurfthe actual builds doestn include fonts right?
15:39:30Hansmaulwurfbut where can i download them?
15:40:44peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/
15:41:25Hansmaulwurfthanks
15:41:41RedBrevahttp://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml - it's listed as a platform in the table
15:42:07Hansmaulwurfah shit
15:42:07peturnice
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15:42:10Hansmaulwurfdidnt see it
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15:43:10RedBrevaDon't worry, i knew it was on that page, and it still took me some time to find it!! :D
15:44:54GargamaleDumbass
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15:50:41PaulJamin my opinion it would be better if there was a link to the fonts package below each target on the daily builds page.
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15:55:59FebsCan anyone recommend a good text editor? My trial period for UltraEdit has expired, and before I buy it, I want to see what else is out there.
15:56:07RedBrevaI was expecting to find some text explaining the Fonts wer no longer part of...blah blah blah and a Link within that
15:56:33PaulJamHave you tried Notepad2 ?
15:57:19RedBrevaI like TextPad on Windows
15:57:20PaulJambut it is not really comparable wit UEdit
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16:01:45dproFebs: emacs ?
16:02:02*dpro hides after throwing flamebait "vi vi vi vi"
16:02:56bluebrotherFebs: gvim :)
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16:06:01RedBrevaIf I have done command1 | less, pressed SPACE a number of times to (END) - How the frick do I get back to the command prompt...?
16:06:17dproRedBreva: 'q'
16:06:18bluebrotherRedBreva: q
16:06:28*daurnimator yells at dpro vi will vi will rock you
16:06:38RedBrevaAhhh, So obvious ;D Thanks guys
16:07:04dproRedBreva: welcome to 'intuitive' land
16:07:17RedBrevahehehe
16:08:43linuxstbFebs: Some windows users I know like "jedit". They also use TextPad, as RedBreva suggested. jedit is open source, TextPad isn't.
16:09:05bluebrotherI often use CrimsonEditor.
16:10:05bluebrotherfor coding Programmers Notepad is also nice. Not too much features but code folding :)
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16:10:56FebsOK, lots of options! I am downloading a couple right now.
16:11:20FebsBluebrother, what you use for work with LaTeX documents?
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16:11:51bluebrotherFebs: gvim, sometimes kate −− I don't work on Latex stuff with windows.
16:12:05bluebrotherbut as gvim is available for windows ...
16:12:17dpro"Oh, SURE the Macintosh interface is Intuitive! I've always thought deep in my h
16:12:17dproeart that command-z should undo things." −− Margy Levine
16:12:46bluebrotherz like in "undoZ"? *g*
16:12:49dproRedBreva: now guess which key "undoes" in vi ;)
16:13:03RedBrevaz?
16:13:11dproaaarg "u" !!!!
16:13:18bluebrotherhehe :)
16:13:34RedBrevaDamn you with your Trick Questions!!!
16:13:39RedBreva:D
16:14:12FebsBluebrother, I'll try gvim.
16:14:17RedBrevaMy fave is w for Save (Ducks and hides)
16:14:59dproRedBreva: probably they pronounce "save" as "write" - jesus saves
16:15:24bluebrother... and q for "exit" eeehm quit ;-)
16:15:30bluebrother:wq −− write and quit
16:15:31dproLOL
16:15:41dprooh that's ZZ ;)
16:15:55RedBrevahehehehe, how does that work as a nemonic if you don't speak english??
16:15:58bluebrother:help tutor
16:16:29bluebrotherwhat was the line to toggle the "doctor" in emacs?
16:16:47dprosince there's a hungarian logo there's probably a russian vi somewhere ;)
16:16:55dproeliza you mean ?
16:17:53dproRedBreva: well in german that would be wchreiben und qeenden >;->
16:18:01bluebrotheryeah. It was something like <press some keys>doctor
16:18:32*dpro hasn't been to therapy in a while
16:18:37bluebrothernot beenqen?
16:18:40RedBrevaLOL
16:18:46Zagorbluebrother: alt-x doctor
16:19:14bluebrotheraaah. I knew it was something like that.
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16:22:16nobeliumhmm
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16:22:22nobeliumwhat is the involvement of rockbox with ipodlinux?
16:22:57ashridahnobelium: they share documentation, and some development work
16:23:05ashridahrockbox is in no way based on linux, however
16:23:24nobeliumbut their newest bootloader loads rockbox right?
16:23:30nobeliumiPL 2
16:23:39ashridahthat's entirely possible
16:25:15FebsBluebrother, what do you think of the idea of creating a separate chapter in the manual called "Using Playlists." Right now, descriptions of playlist functions are scattered throughout the manual. Since Rockbox is based on a playlist system, I think it makes sense to consolidate this information into one chapter.
16:25:52bluebrotherFebs: sounds good.
16:25:54dpronobelium: I use rockbox' bootloader to load linux ;)
16:26:22nobeliumand which one do you consider easier to setup?
16:26:26bluebrotherI still want to write something about the installation for iriver, but I don't know the status of the installer ...
16:26:31nobeliumiPL bootloader or rb bootloader?
16:27:17dpronobelium: I only used rb's and that's pretty straightforward
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16:31:34linuxstbnobelium: They are both as easy as each other to install - the only tricky part is creating the ext2/ext3 partition if you want to install ipodlinux. Both bootloaders can triple-boot - IPL gives you a menu, the Rockbox bootloader just goes straight to Rockbox as quickly as it can, unless you are holding a button whilst it starts.
16:32:45nobeliumthanks both of you :-)
16:33:01nobeliumrockbox can triple boot?
16:33:08nobeliumoriginal firmware/rockbox/and..?
16:34:50bluebrotheripl I assume
16:35:12dpronobelium: yup ipl, rb, apple that's what I do
16:35:30nobeliumalright thanks
16:35:46nobeliumalso, which players can run rockbox from flash?
16:35:47dpronot in that order though it's maybe rb (mostly) apple (to watch pirated tv shows) and linux (doesn't really work on 5g)
16:36:22linuxstbnobelium: Just some of the Archos devices.
16:37:17RedBrevaand the Nano - from the Flash Drive ;)
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17:07:32dproRedBreva: then the mini also (it's a flash drive in there aswell AFAIK)
17:08:47RedBrevaI had always assumed that the Mini HDD based for some reason, not sure why...
17:09:13amiconnThe mini uses a microdrive, i.e. a harddisk
17:10:41amiconnAnd still, the nano does not run rockbox from flash. It loads rockbox from flash disk into ram the same way other targets load from harddisk into ram
17:13:22RedBrevaAh, but the question was which player can run FROM flash, not IN flash ;-)
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17:16:29dprohehe
17:18:25RedBrevajust being pedantic to vent some of my 'why is everything so difficult in Linux' frustration, untill I actually work out how to do it (and then it seems perfectly obvious - which is even more frustrating- Grrrrrrrr) </RANT>
17:20:21RedBrevaI mean - why can't the VMWare image initialise my sound driver (device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied)?
17:21:37linuxstbTry running alsaconf
17:22:18RedBrevaOK... No idea what that means, but I'll give it a go :)
17:22:41RedBrevaas root I assume?
17:22:54linuxstbalsa = Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. conf = configure
17:23:19RedBrevaCommand not found
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17:24:06linuxstbapt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils - it looks like the alsa software hasn't been installed.
17:25:47RedBrevaOk, it installed, and ran, but found no sound hardware
17:26:58linuxstbThen it's a vmware problem I think. Maybe you need a vmware specific alsa module. But I don't use vmware, so can't help you any more...
17:27:30RedBrevaThanks anyway
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17:28:01amiconnmaybe the vmimage isn't configured for sound
17:30:04RedBrevaThere is a speaker icon in the status area, which says sound is connected and specifies a Realtek AC97 Audio connection (which is the correct H/W type for my machine)
17:32:14RedBrevaamiconn: Is this VM image (from the RB site today) already setup for the GCC 4.x changes you made recently?
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17:42:11RedBrevaBrilliant, thank you!
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18:55:33Hilikushey guys
18:56:04Hilikusquick question, is anyone working on putting rockbox into a rio karma player?
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18:56:29CassandraNope.
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18:56:51preglownone at all
18:57:28Hilikusmmm
18:57:43Hilikusok
18:57:43Galoisit should be a reasonable thing to attempt in theory
18:57:55Galoisrio karma has portalplayer 5003
18:58:09CassandraBut there need to be people willing and able to do it in practice.
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18:59:17Hilikusmmm
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19:00:06Hilikushow do you put rockbox inside the daps? is it loaded as a song and then a bootloader loads it ??
19:00:11preglowGalois: we know nothing about that chip
19:00:40preglowamiconn: any more thoughts on mono recording?
19:00:56Hilikuscause i read somewhere in riovolution that the problem was that the rio karma used an encrypited firmware
19:01:28Hilikusis that really a problem or you have any other dap working that has that?
19:01:29preglowhah
19:01:33preglowpp5003 has got an fpu
19:01:44kibbleLOL!!!!!!!!
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19:02:51Falco98g'day all
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19:03:44kibbleWoW!!!!!!!!
19:04:06Falco98WCIII!!!
19:04:54Falco98hmm
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19:05:05CassandraErm, did the IQ of the channel drop 50 points recently or something?
19:05:06preglowwho is this joker?
19:05:31preglowis it time for me to bring up the fact that not enough people has op status in here anymore?
19:05:53preglowhas/have/lol
19:06:01kibbleLOL!!!!!!!!
19:06:11preglowkibble: fuck off
19:06:11Presenceheh
19:06:35kibbleFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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19:06:43preglowhow did i anticipate that?
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19:07:06CassandraI suspect you must be psychotic or something.
19:07:29preglowclose
19:07:49kibbleCLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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19:08:07preglowok, i think it is time for me to do that
19:08:20kibblehey, i love rockbox
19:08:25preglowi love you
19:08:26kibblekick's ipodlinux's shitty inept ass
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19:09:25CassandraWe really have arrived - now we've got our very own Slashdot style weenies. Oh joy.
19:09:42preglowthey've been here before
19:10:02kibbleHAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:10:05preglowfreenode's got less of them than other networks, believe it or not
19:10:25MikachuCassandra: not psychic then?
19:10:36CassandraWell if they would kindly perform an autonomous recto-cranial inversion, I'd be much obliged.
19:10:40preglowMikachu: psychotic, not psychic. i know i'm not that
19:10:58CassandraMikachu, which looks more likely given the scroll back?
19:11:00preglowCassandra: i'd settle for a good old-fashioned ass kicking, even
19:11:26kibbleI have a great idea
19:11:30kibblelets all go flood #ipodlinux
19:11:36preglowyes, let's do that
19:11:39preglowyou first
19:12:01amiconnpreglow: Not really. We also have the problem that we can only record at 44.1kHz now
19:12:18amiconn22.05kHz might be possible if I read the uda datasheet correctly
19:12:22preglowamiconn: indeed, but i was just thinking that removing all the recording options limits we can would be good
19:12:27preglowamiconn: and that would be the easiest one
19:12:36amiconnWhich one?
19:12:40preglowstereo/mono
19:12:51amiconnHmm, we might want mono...
19:13:00preglowjust need to find a good spot to do the conversion
19:13:16amiconnAnd in fact, mono conversion would be a good step forward to on-the-fly conversion for recording
19:13:25amiconn(thinking mp3 recording here)
19:13:31preglowhmmm
19:13:34peturpreglow: the place where endianess is applied...
19:13:36preglowi wonder how toni's patch deals with it
19:13:48preglowpetur: well, does it allow you to change the chunk size?
19:13:55preglowpetur: it's pcmrec_callback, afaik
19:13:55amiconnMaybe the recording needs another thread
19:14:06FebsCould someone please close bug report 5350: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5350
19:14:15amiconnSomething like recording_codec
19:14:26preglowFebs: can do
19:14:32preglowFebs: accepted?
19:15:04whatboutbobamiconn/preglow: a couple of tapers have already mentioned the lack of sample selection (particularly for 48khz line-in).
19:15:23amiconnsample selection?
19:15:24preglowwhatboutbob: 3.1 issue
19:15:30preglowamiconn: i removed sample rate selection
19:15:33preglowsince it didn't work
19:15:35FebsPreglow: Completed.
19:15:36whatboutbobsample-rate.
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19:15:49Cassandrabtw, are we likely to wrap up 3.0 this weekend, or do we still need another week?
19:15:50preglowFebs: there is no completed
19:15:50amiconn48kHz sample rate is impossible
19:16:00preglowCassandra: another week, i'd guess
19:16:06preglowmore bugs, manual isn't up to snuff
19:16:08FebsWhatever signifies that it's fixed!
19:16:13amiconnWe can do 44.1, probably 22.05 and possibly 11.025, but that's it
19:16:19preglowaccepted it is
19:16:20Cassandramanual is not release critical.
19:16:27CassandraBut there's a lot of open bugs.
19:16:46preglowi was thinking of doing some bug-fixing this weekend
19:16:48preglowwhen i have time
19:16:49kibbleCLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:16:55amiconnFor spdif in we can handle any rate though
19:16:58whatboutbobamiconn: cool. thanks for the clarification.
19:16:58preglowkibble: LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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19:17:09kibbleI have a bug to report: shut up fags
19:17:13preglowamiconn: internal mic is mono, so it's a bit of a waste to keep that stereo
19:17:19preglowkibble: no can do
19:17:30Cassandrakibble: kindly fuck off you homophobic tosser.
19:17:39amiconnI tried any standard rate from 8kHz to 96kHz yesterday, worked just fine
19:17:40whatboutbobdon't encourage him...
19:17:43buraiantojust ignore him
19:17:44kibblewhy do i have to leave, im not the faggot. its not fair
19:17:46kibblewhy god why
19:17:46preglowwhatboutbob: doesn't matter
19:17:48FebsI just finished a major project, so I will probably have time to do some serious work on the manual today and over the weekend.
19:18:02preglowi really need to bloody raise the point again: more people in here needs op status with chanserv
19:18:12kibbleshut up, prefag
19:18:13preglowso we don't need to suffer idiots like kibble here
19:18:13*amiconn thinks the archos is a great test source for spdif, as it can produce just about _any_ sample rate, not just standard ones :)
19:18:29kibbleprefag is a not-yet-but-soon-to-become
19:18:29kibblefag
19:18:36FebsCassandra: be careful. Kibble probably won't understand the four syllable words.
19:18:44preglowkibble: i'm hard to insult, switch target
19:18:48whatboutbobamiconn: do you happen to know if 96kHz recording is bit-perfect?
19:18:54preglowFebs: did i tell you i've got a partial sweep plugin going?
19:18:59preglowwhatboutbob: yes, it should be
19:19:04kibbleshut up prefag
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19:19:06preglowwhatboutbob: slasheri will do a test for me soon
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19:19:07amiconnwhatboutbob: No I don't
19:19:10whatboutbobno weird glitches, pops or farts...
19:19:16kibblehey, wheres the sleep/shutdown option in rockbox
19:19:26CassandraFebs, that's alright, it was mostly to make me feel better.
19:19:27kibblewhat prefag n00b forgot to put that in there
19:20:16preglowFebs: did i tell you i've got a partial sweep plugin going? <- got that?
19:20:26kibblehe doesnt care tho
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19:20:35FebsYes (had to go back and look at the log, but I got it). Cool!
19:20:45kibblelol fag
19:20:47preglowFebs: you think a linear or log sweep would be best?
19:21:06FebsKibble: it's in there. Why don't you go try to find it?
19:21:10kibbleuse exp sweep
19:21:12FebsPreglow: log.
19:21:20preglowok, then i need to do some more work, heh
19:21:29CassandraWhat's a partial sweep, anyway?
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19:21:47CassandraOr what's a sweep, rather.
19:21:51preglowsine sweep
19:22:04preglowsignal generator for doing measurements on things
19:22:19CassandraOh, right.
19:22:24kibbleone of those nerd things only gay prefags care about
19:23:00*Febs thinks that kibble is overcompensating for certain, um, shortcomings.
19:23:06CassandraYou know it's a great shame the IRC protocol doesn't support remote sterilisation.
19:23:13*kibble thinks Feb is a prefag
19:23:33CassandraBut then as Febs points out, it may not be necessary.
19:23:34FebsYou think that kibble needs sterilization?! I would think the odds of him reproducing are small.
19:23:43kibblecant find the shutdown/sleep option in rockbox. someone tell me where it is or I'll ddos all of you prefags
19:23:52CassandraBesides, anyone that homophobic has got to be in denial anyway.
19:23:54*whatboutbob shudders at the thought of a pair of giant scissors extending out from his computer on a giant robot extenda-arm...
19:24:04kibblecant find the shutdown/sleep option in rockbox. someone tell me where it is or I'll ddos all of you prefags
19:24:15preglowhahah
19:24:20preglowthis keeps getting better
19:24:38FebsKibble: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
19:24:39peturhey we can kill his batteries remotely :D
19:24:44preglowamiconn: btw, i do think a separate thread would be cool
19:25:13amiconnI don't think it's cool, but it might be necessary
19:25:19kibbleI read the manual but thrers nothing but a bunch of prefag banter in there
19:25:47preglowamiconn: cool == necessary
19:26:00amiconnWeird logic...
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19:27:20kibblesure are a lot of repetitive prefags in here
19:27:22preglowamiconn: i wouldn't call it logic
19:27:39preglowvery little about me applies as logical
19:28:04*amiconn prefers logical things
19:28:18oboCassandra: did you say something once about a wxwidget based installer?
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19:28:29oboor did I imagine that?
19:28:46*Febs wonders whether kibble read the "prefag banter" entitled "Sleep Timer" in the manual.
19:29:03kibbletalking about a sleep/shutdown command
19:29:11kibblethats more accessable than waiting for a timer or holding the play button
19:29:23amiconnBtw, it struck me that monitoring analog input through the audio interface also has a disadvantage over pure analog monitoring (only relevant for radio): it doesn't allow to voice-over the analog input signal
19:30:08preglowno, that's true
19:30:09Febskibble: what do you want to do, attach electrodes to your head and have Rockbox detect when you fall asleep?
19:30:26Cassandraobo: Yes, I did. I'll try to have a new version out by 3.0 launch.
19:30:29kibblehow about a shutdown/sleep option in the menu, prefag
19:31:35oboCassandra: the existing one is Inno based?
19:31:53CassandraYes. And way out of data.
19:31:56Cassandradate, even.
19:32:33FebsDo you mean a menu-driven "power off" command?! Stomp your paw once for yes or twice for no.
19:32:38amiconnpreglow: What do you think: monitoring through the audio interface allows more 'truthful' monitoring (and we need an iis clock for spdif monitoring anyway), and pure analog monitoring allows voice-over. What's better?
19:33:14Mikachukibble: you know protricity?
19:33:20preglowwell, i think consistency is good, so...
19:34:40amiconnWhat's necessary anyway is a driver for the coldfire audio interface, allowing permanent and temporary mode switching. We need to solve the clashes between playback, voice, recording, and radio
19:35:12preglowyup
19:35:14preglowit needs doing anyway
19:35:28CassandraAnd the moon on a stick, never forget that it n
19:35:32preglowthe current pcm recording interface is generic code intermingled with coldfire, and even uda, specific code
19:35:44amiconnI have an idea how this can be handled, however, I need to ask Linus some questions about X5 and about target tree first :/
19:35:47Cassandraneeds to support lunar extension technology.
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19:36:45Mikachukibble: or are you in fact him?
19:37:39preglowkibble is a little bundle of love
19:37:50kibbleshut the fuck up pikachu faggot
19:37:53Mikachugrep \<+Prot\> \#ocremix.log|lgrep fag|wc -l
19:37:53Mikachu60
19:37:57Mikachuheh
19:37:57preglowhe's like a baby, a small little bundle of annoying you still just have to love
19:38:08kibblewow, you could just tell it was me eh?
19:38:31Mikachui had some help from my jpg viewer
19:38:43kibblegot some asstastic pictures
19:38:49kibbleso hows that shitty website doing these days
19:39:02Mikachuocremix? i don't know
19:39:24*preglow kicks Bagder around
19:40:00Mikachukibble: was there ever a part 2 to this one?
19:40:01*Mikachu is listening to Protricity - DKC2 - Simian Symphony Pt1 (0:08 / 5:53)
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19:40:19kibbleyes, but I never released it
19:40:33Mikachukay
19:41:03kibblekinda lost my will to remix the day I realized select avg(age) from community is 13
19:41:13Mikachuheh
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19:43:12CassandraIt does sound a little mature for you.
19:43:29buraiantoCassandra: that made me laugh
19:43:35whatboutbobgood night people.
19:43:42whatboutbobgood night kibble.
19:43:45*Cassandra wonders if we can get a little cage and a "do not feed the troll" sign.
19:44:02kibbleshut up, ultimate fag
19:44:02kibbleafk
19:44:21preglowCassandra: i was about to say he was being tolerable, but no, what you said
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19:44:25Mikachukibble: you certainly make an impression
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19:44:45preglowBagder: note to you: more ops
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19:45:45amiconnpreglow: Btw, is it normal that spdif sample rates are a bit off, depending on the source?
19:46:01amiconnMy dvd player sends at 44095Hz when playing a CD
19:46:23amiconnThe MAS is frequency exact
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19:47:27whatboutbobamiconn: iriver to iriver is apparently 44097/8
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19:47:36preglowamiconn: yes
19:48:04Mikachuit will also vary if your source travels at near lightspeed but the destination is at rest
19:48:11preglowamiconn: my cd player is 44098..44100 (it fluctuates), and my pc is 48003
19:49:56amiconnMikachu: hehe
19:50:24*amiconn should fix the poweroff issue when recording at lower rates
19:51:03whatboutbobamiconn: how low?
19:51:22preglow32khz and lower
19:51:40amiconnwhatboutbob: If you record from a source where the time between two buffer flushes is longer than the idle timeout, the box will shut down
19:52:27*amiconn had another idea for a small spdif related improvement
19:52:32whatboutbobshweet
19:52:42preglowamiconn: how does the idle timeout system work?
19:53:12Mikachuthere is a function you can call that resets the timer
19:53:26Mikachuthat's all i know :)
19:53:49amiconnIf the user had spdif power disabled, but records from an spdif source, we need to power spdif. But then we can shutdown the ebuout. Then the led will be very dim
19:54:12preglowlike it is normally
19:54:18preglowwhen recording, at least
19:54:28amiconnDefine normally..
19:54:38preglowyour latest patch changed that, did it?
19:54:46amiconnyes
19:54:48preglowit was dim after my commit when recording
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20:01:05Myth1hi guys
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20:02:38preglowyo
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20:02:57preglowgot that xm player ready already? :P
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20:12:56practorhello folks
20:13:54practorjust wanna say thanks for rockbox. the need for ogg vorbis was the only thing stopping me from getting a nano.
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20:17:07preglowheh
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20:17:32preglowyou're welcome
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20:19:19practoroh, plus i forgot the other cool thing about rockbox, i was able to install it from linux
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20:23:14Mikachuthat's the preferred platform
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20:23:48practorthat's great, it happens to be the only platform i have here at home as well.
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20:25:11RoriHey there is a rumour abound that there will be 8gb and 10gb Nano's coming out soon.
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20:25:42RoriI just got a 4GB Nano and am loving it. Rockbox sold me on that :)
20:26:11practorRori: yes i heard that one.
20:26:16RoriNano's use flash memory don't they?
20:26:20practoryes
20:26:22preglowyea
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20:26:26preglow10 gig nano = lol
20:26:27Mikachuyes
20:26:31Rori10GB flash drool
20:26:36Mikachu10 doesn't make any sense
20:26:41Mikachu4+4+2?
20:26:51Roriwho knows
20:27:01Rorimaybe 5gb and 8gb
20:27:06practorour first nano arrived today (it's for my wife) and i just finished loading rockbox, songs and just switched over to the brushed metal theme
20:27:08practorit simply rocks!
20:27:11Roriit's all rumour right now
20:27:35RoriI like the original Apple display feel. Put that on
20:27:56RoriI could not believe I was playing Doom on it last night
20:27:57practorRori: you do know that Apple is lawyer trigger happy, hehe.
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20:28:25RoriI mean. Doom! Years ago that would strain my PC
20:28:34RoriTech moves so fast
20:29:06RoriI have a silcon case right now but I am looking at alternatives
20:29:36RoriClear hard plastic is on the cards. Or invisible shield but that's a bit fiddly and does not seem to protect the edges
20:29:38practori was looking at the tubes but they don't cover the screen
20:29:50practorwhich i heard was quite scratch prone
20:29:53RoriThis has a screen protector with this skin but it's crap
20:29:58Rorimoirs and rainbows
20:30:12RoriI hate that
20:30:16practorhehe
20:30:40Roriso probably gonna get the Agent 18 clear case
20:30:51Roriit covers everything but the wheel access
20:31:15Roriand still allows access to the hold, lanyard and headphone sockets
20:31:47RoriI want to see the shineyness those tubes get fluffed up and look and feel crabby
20:32:24Rorialthough if you drop it it's less likely to get damaged in a silicon skin I guess
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20:32:59RoriMy iRiver H140 now sits idle
20:33:43practorheh, my wife's gonna flip, rockbox even has a sudoku plugin.
20:33:51Rorioh my
20:34:07Rorithe only I dislike it the image viewer plugin on Rockbox
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20:34:32Roriseriously sucks compared to the Apple viewer. It does not fill the screen and no thumbs preview
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20:35:34Rorifor some reason 1024x768 images are shrunk on the screen and zooming only makes it too big that you have to scroll around the image. Is anyone still working on the image viewer plugin?
20:36:02RoriProbably needs tweaking for iPod Nano's
20:36:31preglowit's just as it is on the other platforms
20:36:48preglowyou think apple's is better? can you even zoom when using the apple picture viewer?
20:37:25RoriNo but I want my screen filed by the image not black borders all around :)
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20:37:31preglowhahaha
20:37:31Rori*filled
20:37:43preglowthe viewer will be souped up one day, but as of now, it works just as it should
20:37:51preglowthe zoom levels are the only fast ones we can do
20:38:01preglowto have completely adjustable zoom will be slower
20:38:07Rorioh well can always boot to Apple and use that for image viewing
20:38:17preglowalso, apple converts your pictures to target resolution
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20:38:21preglowso it's impossible to zoom, afaik
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20:38:29preglowthe rockbox viewer uses the pictures as they are
20:38:31Rorijust needs a fit to screen option
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20:39:09practorok, gotta go guys. thanks again to the rockbox team.
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20:39:23preglowamiconn: can plugins start threads? :>
20:39:47preglowit would be cool if the jpeg viewer could decompress images in the background
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20:43:45peturhehe plug 'n play works for once :)
20:44:09RoriDespite all the crap Apple do in regards to DRM songs and batteries and support and accessories not included etc etc. They still make some damned fine tech.
20:44:39RoriI would never have considered an iPod though without Rockbox. It's like a dream come true :)
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20:45:54linuxstb_Rori: Why don't you just run a batch image processing program to convert your images to the Nano's LCD size (176x132). As preglow said, that's what Apple's software does when it transfers your photos to an ipod.
20:46:35MikachuRori: the jpeg decoder can only show 1:1, 1:2, 1:4 and 1:8
20:46:54MikachuRori: it scales at the decoding stage to save time
20:47:41XavierGrpreglow: yes plugins can create threads AFAIK
20:48:46XavierGralso Rori: the apple image viewer doesn't let you view images while playback.
20:48:57Roriah that makes sense. I forgot the Apple thing creates resized versions alongside the originals when you tick 'high res' in iTunes. Would be nice though if there was a way not to waste space like that and use the originals
20:49:23RoriBut I still want thumbnails in the Rockbox browser ;)
20:49:24Mikachuscaling non-integer factors isn't trivial
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20:49:58RoriNeither was getting Doom to run I would imagine :)
20:50:16Mikachuheh, probably not
20:50:29Mikachudoom ran on my 25mhz 486sx though
20:50:42Roriit's possible it's just down to whomever makes the viewer plugin(s)
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20:50:57Mikachuthe real question is, do normal matrices always have real eigenvalues?
20:51:07XavierGrif we start this we will have to make a very long list (what apple can't do)
20:52:35Roriof course but a better image viewer would still make it much better. Just a 'wish' of mine that's all :)
20:53:07Roriheck do you reckon the nano could decode low res mp4?
20:53:27Rorisurprised no coder is working on a video playback plugin
20:53:36Rorior did I miss that?
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20:55:03RoriCan it?
20:55:50Roridivx/xvid/mp4/mkv/mp4 in mov and all the other container variants
20:55:54RibsRori: I would imagine it can play uncompressed stuff
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20:56:03Ribsbut I don't think ratbox can do that
20:56:05Ribs... yet :>
20:56:17RoriMy mobile can playback Mp4
20:56:30RoriI would have thought the Nano could do so too
20:56:49preglowyour mobile is more powerful than the nano
20:56:52Rorilow res
20:56:54Kohlrabi:)
20:56:54preglowbut sure, it's not impossible
20:57:01preglowsomeone just needs to do it
20:57:05preglowi couldn't care less about video
20:57:13Roriis a Nokia 6230 more powerful than a Nano?
20:58:02RoriIt needs to be done just to show it can :)
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20:58:13Roriand poo poo the Video iPod crowd a little lol
20:58:50RoriLike "Look! Nano can play video too! But Apple did not include because they are sour grapes and want to sell more expensive kit" ;)
20:59:07RoriWell OK the disk size and screen size is a factor
20:59:14Roribut still :)
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21:00:31RoriYou can get a full movie in under 100MB easily depending on length. I had Shrek 2 on my phone. Not that I would watch it at that res. Well maybe if I was stuck in someplace with no TV etc
21:02:35RoriPosted on the foum to stir some response ;)
21:02:38Roriforum
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21:08:06markunRori: what res is your phone?
21:08:28Roriabout 1/3rd bigger than the Nano I think
21:08:30qwm:>
21:08:40RoriI don't know the actual res you can probably google it
21:08:41qwmcomedy shows are definitely watchable at that resolution. imo.
21:09:03Roriyeah forget widescreen letterbox lol
21:09:41markunRori: if you have a nokia 6230 it's only 128x128
21:09:44Roriit's not about that though it's about if it can be done and if anyone is willing to do it. I wish I could :)
21:10:00Roriyeah I know it's low res
21:10:17Roribut looks ok when you play movies
21:10:26markunRori: mirak wrote plugins for mpeg(1/2) and xvid decoding
21:10:50RoriI wonder if they would work on the Nano if I drop them in
21:11:02markunSure, but very very slow
21:11:06Roriwhere can I grab it to try?
21:11:08qwmhm?
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21:11:26RoriI'd need to encode a small sample. Might be easier to pull that movie off my mobile and see
21:11:28Rorilol
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21:11:54Rorioh crap it's in their proprietary qt format oh well...need to encode a tes at the Nano res really
21:12:00Rori*test
21:13:37RoriEty ER-6i's how much is too much for them in the UK? I'm thinking £60 inc postage off Ebay. Seeing as I can get them from Amazon for £68
21:13:45qwmi'd sell my soul if it allowed me to view fawlty towers at 25fps (encoded in xvid) on the nano..
21:13:54Roricool
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21:14:25Roriif I can get that plugin I'd give it a try. But I bet it will error out
21:14:35Rorior run like poo slow hehe
21:16:14RoriThese earphones better live up to their promise.
21:16:23markunRori: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4&cat=35
21:16:27Rorithx
21:16:35Roriwill test it later on
21:16:40Rorilet ya know ;)
21:16:41qwmhm. mpeg1 is slow too?
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21:16:50qwmis itless slow than xvid?
21:17:42Rorioh no xvid decoder proper yet
21:17:44Roribummer
21:17:59Rorijust a raw image extractor
21:18:52Roriwell at least people are working on bits of it
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21:19:34Rorinot compiled either
21:20:07Rorioh well that's no go for me since I don't have the bits to compile with
21:20:10qwm:>
21:20:11qwmyep.
21:20:19qwmhooray for the good people in this world.
21:20:28Roriindeed
21:20:48RoriHooray for freeware coders and hackers
21:21:01qwmdon't confuse freeware with free software.
21:21:01qwm:p
21:21:22RoriHey Allway Sync is freeware but guess what?
21:21:35RoriIf you use it heavily they make it trialware :P
21:21:44RoriI just found that out
21:22:07Roribeen using it happily for sometime then poof! it stops working. Even though they say it's freeware.
21:22:28RoriThen you suddenly need the 'pro' version lol
21:24:07RoriI got some bread pudding today. I can't stop eating it. I surely will have bad guts tomorrow hehe
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21:26:04Roriebay bids coming up on those earphones. currently at £41. I want them for under £60. I will put max bid of £60 at the last minute
21:26:21Roriunless someone snipes me of course
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21:33:23Roricool
21:33:35RoriWon it £41 plus £2 postage
21:34:05klrspzi got some sennheisers, they rock
21:34:12klrspz17+ shipping... best pair i've ever owned :)
21:34:21klrspz17 usd btw, not 2,920.59
21:34:23klrspzerrr whoops
21:34:25klrspznot pounds
21:35:03RoriI have some Senn PX100's
21:35:05RoriThey rule
21:35:25RoriBut I wanted some earphone isolators
21:35:49RoriI got a good price on these ER-6i's it looks like
21:36:17RoriThey retail for £68 for the black one's on Amazon.co.uk
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21:36:25Rorilowest price I could find
21:36:43Rorilets hope the ebay seller is ok
21:37:27RoriAnyone here have tinnitus? I have it and it's the suck. Not sure if it's noise damage though. Could be anything. :P
21:37:47buraiantoI have tinitis
21:37:57buraiantoor however you spell it
21:38:00Roriheh
21:38:03RoriHissy?
21:38:05buraiantobut my dad has it pretty bad, so I figure it's genetic
21:38:15sharpei am home!
21:38:21buraiantojust high-pitched noise
21:38:22RoriMines hissy and reactive mostly althugh I have a mixtures of tones at various volumes
21:38:57Roriannoying but since there is no cure watchoo gonna do?
21:39:03buraiantomine isn't that bad so if there is noise I don't really notice it
21:39:08Rorijust carry on as best you can
21:39:10sharpei hear switching power supplies
21:39:19buraiantoI hear dead people
21:39:23Rorimy TV sets mine off something awful
21:39:23sharpei really do though
21:39:26buraiantoI mean, tv
21:39:51sharpei can hear when a tv is on without even seeing it
21:39:54Rorisomething about the tv audio makes mine hiss
21:39:59Roriyep
21:40:01buraiantosharpe: yeah, I can too
21:40:22Rorisharpe you have tinnitus too?
21:40:28sharpei don't think so
21:40:45Roriif you are in a very quiet room do you hear any hissing or tones?
21:40:50pregloweveryone has some degree of tinnitus
21:40:57Roriyeah I know preglow
21:40:58preglowit's normal
21:40:59sharpebecause i really only hear it when it's like, an electronic
21:41:10Roribut mine is intrusive
21:41:15preglowsure, i've got it too
21:41:25preglowi can hear it pretty much all the time when nothing major is going on
21:41:29preglowdoesn't bother me at all
21:41:33Roriit hisses like crazy sometimes
21:41:40sharpeif i actually try to hear it, then i can i suppose
21:41:42buraiantomy dad says it's hard for him to fall asleep sometimes because it gets so loud (and no, I don't live at home. :)
21:42:00RoriI mask it if it gets bad when I try to sleep
21:42:09Roriput the radio on or something
21:42:25RoriI have hissing and morse code of different tones in each ear
21:42:39Roriif I knew morse code I could decode it ;)
21:42:45buraiantoI get the morse code thing sometimes. it's weird
21:42:54buraiantomaybe it's alien signals :$
21:42:57Rori"Kill president Bush. Kill preside Bush" ;)
21:43:09Roritypo's and all
21:43:37Rorimines taken a rather sinister turn of late. sometimes when I wake up I hear it rumbling
21:43:59Rorimy auditory system is broken lol
21:44:00amiconnIt seems the H1x0 schematics are lacking some important details :(
21:45:05amiconnThe UDA is clocked externally (otherwise it wouldn't work with the current setup in rockbox), but it's not visible from where
21:45:39amiconnI would think either MCLK1 or MCLK2, but both these and the SYSCLK input of the UDA are drawn as not connected...
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21:50:35sharpehmm
21:50:39sharpemaybe i'll go play some games
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21:52:26sharpei think that's what i'll do.
21:53:09amiconnIt seems some experimentation ist due
21:53:12sharpelater everyone, i'll be back in a little bit.
21:53:28sharpeto, maybe eventually work on the emulator! who know?!
21:53:29sharpes.
21:53:50*sharpe goes.
21:56:38RoriSuper NES
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21:56:42Roriheh
21:57:01RoriAtari Jaguar ;)
21:57:12RoriTempest 2000!
21:57:22dwihnoNES!
21:57:26Roriwhere else for a scroll wheel?
21:57:36RoriTempest 2000 with scroll wheel!
21:57:44Rorithat would own soooooo hard!
21:57:56Roriit's made for it
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21:58:11kibbledid I hear rockbox supports xm?
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22:00:21preglownot yet
22:00:40kibblewith xm, will it support mod and IT?
22:00:50kibblei would imagine IT is simply too much processing power
22:01:31Roriawwwww
22:01:37RoriI reckon it can do it
22:01:45RoriIf it can do Doom it can do IT!]
22:01:58crwlyes, IT doesn't necessarily need any more power
22:02:11RoriI shall use Doom as an example everytime someone says it cannot be done ;)
22:02:25crwland even XM files can have up to 32 channels... though IT could've supported even 64
22:02:46Rorimind you no music in Doom
22:03:00Rorijust sound FX
22:03:02kibbledoom 1 running is not impressive
22:03:20RoriI suppose so
22:03:31Roriit's only bitmaps anyhow
22:03:33kibbleit was originally built for computers as powerful as an ipod
22:03:36Rorijust being rastered
22:04:19kibblea nice rockbox feature would be prioritizing the processor towards mp3 playback rather than other misc processes
22:04:25kibblescrolling tends to cause music to gap
22:04:35kibbleor playing chess
22:04:45kibblebetter the music not stop,a nd other programs take longer
22:05:13nobeliumhmm..my rockbox is acting weird
22:05:21nobeliumvery slow scrolling on a Temp dir
22:05:27nobeliumbut fast scrolling on the music dir
22:05:41nobeliumand sometimes a music stops after some minutes and jumps to the next one
22:05:51nobeliumalso sometiems I can't load a music
22:05:55nobeliumI have to click twice
22:06:04nobeliumalready resetted settings :s
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22:09:51nobeliummusic seems accelerated
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22:10:12Rincewindhi
22:10:36Rincewindi have a few questions for the vmware dev platform
22:10:51RoriI wish iTunes would not launch when I connect my Nano
22:11:18Roriah an option
22:11:20Rorimissed that
22:11:37Roriunticks that crap
22:11:44Rincewindis it possible to build the sdl-sim for windows with the vmware?
22:12:02amiconnRori: Uninstall it...
22:12:10amiconnRincewind: yes
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22:12:37Rincewindhow? If I choose sim for h120 I get a linux binary
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22:12:55amiconnAh, you mean crosscompiling the sim...
22:13:33amiconnThat should be possible (the old win32 sim could also be crosscompiled on linux), but it's not implemented yet in the build system
22:15:01Rincewindso right now it isn't possible to build the win32 sim with vmware, right?
22:15:50Rincewindit's not a big problem, the sim is functional inside the image
22:16:32Rincewindanother thing: I can't change the keyboard layout
22:16:37amiconnYes, and in fact the sdl sim behaves a little better on linux
22:16:52Rincewindif i run kbdconfig the options aren't applied
22:16:59amiconnOn windows sdl can't write stdout stuff to the console, so it writes to a file
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22:19:03Rincewindamiconn, do you have a solution for my second problem?
22:19:25amiconnI have no idea...
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22:20:47Rincewindkbdconfig is working fine, but when i exit it, the options aren't applied. And the other tool which is described in the wiki isn't loading (errors)
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22:26:29Rincewindanother thing: I am left-handed. Is it possible to swap the mouse buttons in the window manager of the vmware platform?
22:27:27kibblewrong channel?
22:28:45Rincewindi don't think so, I'm talking of the special Rockbox-Vmware-Development platform
22:29:56RincewindI'm not familiar with linux, I apologize if my questions seem stupid
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22:32:16amiconnRincewind: Unfortunately I don't know much about how that stuff works at th elow level in linux. While I also use linux for some things, even in vmware, my installations include the full gnome desktop where I can set such stuff more convenient.
22:32:37preglowwhat window manager does it use?
22:32:42amiconnUnfortunately a full-blown installation including gnome is in the gigabyte range ...
22:32:53amiconnfluxbox iirc
22:32:56preglowuch
22:33:02Rincewindit uses fluxbox
22:33:04preglowput xfce in it :)
22:33:44amiconnEven changing the sh compiler was a bit difficult...
22:33:48RincewindI'm an ISDN-User so I have to stick with the Image I have.
22:34:41Rincewindi don't know if it is possible to extend it "on the fly"
22:35:12preglowon isdn you pretty much don't want to, heh
22:35:23amiconnWow, downloading the vmware image @isdn speed...
22:35:25preglowbut the mouse settings might be something you want to do directly with x
22:35:37Rincewindit took me about 10 hours
22:35:39*amiconn already thought his vmimage upload was slooow
22:36:05preglowi've gotta try this vm thing once
22:36:09amiconn384k dsl upstream...
22:36:12Rincewindwith a good download manager it is ok (took me about half a week)
22:36:13preglowthough i don't really need it after i dropped windows
22:36:31amiconnThat reminds me...
22:37:17preglowbut if i'm forced to use windows again, then that is definitely what i'll use
22:37:22preglowi've never liked cygwin
22:37:28Rincewindpreglow: but x isn't installed in the image right?
22:38:36preglowno idea
22:38:37preglownever tried it
22:38:43preglowif it's got fluxbox, then it should have x
22:38:57Rincewindfrom the wiki: XFree86 (X11) is included
22:39:21amiconnSomeone should build a new vmimage
22:39:34amiconnThe current one is based on debian stable...
22:39:43preglowdoes it matter?
22:40:04amiconnNot sure, it might
22:40:04preglowthe cross compilers are what matters anyway
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22:40:12amiconnNot much anyway
22:40:45amiconnxfree86 is replaced by xorg in all newer distros, right?
22:41:15Rincewindis there a config utility for xfree86 which might be included?
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22:45:55PaulJam_Rincewind: i'm not sure, but maye you can change the mousebuttons with xmodmap
22:46:37Digital_Comai heard rockbox was not made by fags
22:46:47HansmaulwurfI want to thank everyone who worked on the optical-in recording
22:46:51Hansmaulwurfi could cry
22:46:58Hansmaulwurf:)
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22:47:52preglowhaha
22:47:58preglowamiconn: yes
22:48:09Digital_Comamaybe i heard wrong
22:48:38preglowHansmaulwurf: tried it?
22:49:16Hansmaulwurfpreglow: yes
22:49:22preglowworks fine?
22:49:36Hansmaulwurfjust tested it with my notebook
22:49:39Hansmaulwurfbut yes it works
22:49:50Rincewindhm: "Xlib: connection to":0.0" refused by server" "Xlib: No protocol specified" "xmodmap: unable to open display ' :0.0'"
22:50:24Hansmaulwurftomorrow i will try it with my sat-reviever
22:50:30Hansmaulwurfreciever
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22:50:48Hansmaulwurfthat aint 48kHz I think
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22:51:47preglowHansmaulwurf: cool
22:51:53Rincewindif i run xmodmap as "user" it works, but it seems to be a tool to configure shift, control, alt etc
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22:53:07Hansmaulwurfpreglow: yeah i hope it will work, would be very easy then to record some fine radio station
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22:55:02PaulJam_Rincewind: you could try something like 'xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1"'
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22:55:47Hansmaulwurfbtw, is it a bug of my WPS or normal that the WPS doenst show the next song when the last song of a directory is running?
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22:56:10Rincewind"bad buttons input line" "unable to open file '3' for reading"...
22:56:11preglowcorrect
22:56:16Hansmaulwurfi have automatic change to next directory activated
22:56:21preglowthe next dir isn't read until the last song is finished
22:56:26Rincewindoh, i left out the "
22:56:28Hansmaulwurfok
22:56:57Rincewindwhich key is is " on US-Layout?
22:57:25Digital_Comaalt-454
22:58:01Rincewindthis isn't working
22:58:18HansmaulwurfRincewind: on a german keyboard :P
22:58:26Rincewindthanks
22:58:39Hansmaulwurfoh you have a german keyboard? ok ^^
22:59:01Rincewinddamn, alt-454 was used to repeat the key 454 times ^^
22:59:22*Rincewind is german
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23:00:59amiconnpreglow: Remember the discussion how to handle encoding codecs in conjunction with voice?
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23:01:25amiconnI just realised that encoding is less time critical than decoding
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23:02:29peturwhy?
23:03:09peturit's probably ok as long as it's faster as realtime
23:03:30amiconnYes, but it only needs to be faster than realtime on average
23:03:51amiconnIt doesn't matter if we run a few seconds behind occasionally
23:04:20amiconn(as long as our buffer is large enough)
23:04:55preglowamiconn: yes
23:05:05preglowsure
23:05:17preglowas long as we have a largeish pcm buffer
23:05:34amiconnEither that, or we don't use separate buffers
23:06:01preglowmwell, that would entail memcpying, i'd believe
23:06:10amiconnNot necessarily
23:06:15preglowbut yeah
23:06:25preglowwe need to look into a dedicated speech codec
23:06:27Rincewindyes! My Buttons are changed!
23:06:32preglowmaking mp3 even faster than it is
23:06:34pregloweven with no iram
23:08:02amiconnWe could stick with the swapping approach, but I agree that it's better to get rid of that complexity layer
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23:08:15amiconn...even causing crashes because of iram clash
23:08:36amiconnWould speex be less demanding than mp3?
23:08:56preglowi'm really hoping and guessing so
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23:09:23preglowi would be very surprised if it wasn't so
23:09:29preglowit uses a lot of easily optimisable components
23:09:35preglowand the technology itself is less complex
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23:20:39markunpreglow: and speex comes with arm optimizations
23:20:53amiconnWargh!
23:20:54preglowmarkun: would be pretty easy to optimise for coldfire too
23:20:58*amiconn spotted a hack
23:21:09preglow"surprise"
23:21:42amiconnNow I know why recording shuts down when save_interval > poweroff_timeout
23:22:11amiconnfirmware:powermgmt.c:443..444
23:22:28preglowhahaha
23:22:36amiconnOn archos, recording and playback are handled by the same thread,
23:22:48amiconnso audio status is != 0 when recording
23:22:57preglowwtf, the new libspeex suddenly has tons of fft code
23:23:14preglowahh, probably because of the vorbis psymodel thing
23:23:16amiconnOn swcodec it's different...
23:23:51amiconnBut anyway, firmware code calling an app layer function (in case of swcodec)...
23:24:01amiconn(line 426)
23:24:13preglowhow is that permitted?
23:24:43preglowevery time i've tried that, gcc has almost kicked me out of the building, heh
23:24:56amiconnIt shouldn't. Looks like an oversight. On archos this call is permitted, since the playback code is firmware layer
23:25:10preglowahh, so it's in the header, yes
23:25:11preglowof course
23:25:28amiconnIn this case it probably works because the archos header still declares the function
23:26:18preglowhrmph
23:26:20amiconnHrrmmm
23:26:25preglowarm5 really has a ton of nice little dsp instructions
23:26:27amiconnDesign decision...
23:28:47preglowwooot, it looks like speex has finally dropped using libm trig functions
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23:30:30amiconnThis poweroff thing looks messy
23:30:44preglowno, it hasn't...
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23:35:53amiconnI think there should be a function that the app layer can use to 'lock' the unit into on state. This function would then be used by playback, recording etc. The poweroff timer would then run only if the on state is unlocked
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23:37:28amiconnEven better: A lock with a counter similar to the boost counter
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