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#rockbox log for 2006-05-21

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00:11:32practorhello folks
00:11:44Mikachunihao
00:12:08practori'm using the latest rockbox for my nano and i've noticed that when i unplug from the USB port, i get a warning logo saying my battery is low
00:12:24practorat which point, i need to reboot the nano then it works fine. anyone else seen this before?
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00:17:44HansmaulwurfLORDI!
00:18:04Kohlriba*g*
00:18:22KohlribaThough Ukraine had hotter chix
00:18:42Hansmaulwurfyeah, the Lordi Chicks were ugly ;)
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00:23:36powerrangersfan1hello can someone help me
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00:23:53scottderpowerrangersfan1: whats the issue...
00:23:55Hansmaulwurfpowerrangersfan1: with...?
00:24:02scottderI can try to help....no promises
00:24:06scottder:)
00:24:08Mikachui am sort of cautious with cox.net hosts now
00:24:16powerrangersfan1well if you can i download the ipod video download "daily build" what do i do now?
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00:24:32scottderMikachu: just ones from Phoenix :)
00:24:40powerrangersfan1i read the manual and it just confusing to me
00:24:41Mikachuyou never know :)
00:24:45Hansmaulwurfpowerrangersfan1: did you install the bootloader?
00:24:47Mikachuhe had brasilian ips too
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00:24:54powerrangersfan1were do i find that?
00:25:26Hansmaulwurfwhat OS do you use?
00:25:32powerrangersfan1mac os x
00:25:42scottderMikachu: he put his HTTPS server back up :)
00:25:50powerrangersfan1my ipod is in "macintosh format"
00:26:03powerrangersfan1cause i did try to install ipodlinux but i could not get that to work
00:26:19Hansmaulwurfpowerrangersfan1: read this, i dont know much about ipod install, have another player, but i should help you
00:26:21Hansmaulwurfhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX
00:26:39powerrangersfan1ok
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00:27:31powerrangersfan1well i am going away so i can read everyting!
00:27:54powerrangersfan1btw any screen shots of what it will look like?
00:28:08Mikachulook at the wps gallery
00:28:13AghasterDoes anyone knows where can i download "DeDRMS" and "FairKeys"?
00:28:40*scottder checks if this is a music piracy channel
00:28:41scottdernope
00:28:42scottder:)
00:29:14Hansmaulwurfpowerrangersfan1: with rockbox you can define your display by your own, here are some examples
00:29:17Hansmaulwurfhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
00:29:48powerrangersfan1ok i am checking it now and installing it but will have to reformat everything on my ipod
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00:30:42scottderMe, I have a simple mod of the default WPS....green text on black background...works great :)
00:30:42powerrangersfan1http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodMacOSInstaller
00:30:50powerrangersfan1i found something better
00:31:21Hansmaulwurfhm yeah
00:31:24Hansmaulwurflooks easier ;)
00:31:39Hansmaulwurfwhy are there two install-wikis?
00:31:42Hansmaulwurfsomeone knows?
00:31:46powerrangersfan1so what do i do use the one you gave me or the one i found?
00:31:56Aghasterscottder: I'm looking for that tool to free the music i legally bought from itunes
00:31:58powerrangersfan1wich is easer btw i have mac format ipod not fat format
00:32:49Hansmaulwurfyour site
00:32:58linuxstbAghaster: This is a good place to start looking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairPlay
00:33:10Hansmaulwurfbut i cant help you with the install, i have a iriver player
00:33:15Aghasterthanks
00:33:16scottderAghaster: last I checked....nothing worked on Music bought with Itunes above 6.0
00:33:23scottderBest of luck with that
00:33:37Aghaster:/ i do not remember exact version
00:33:40powerrangersfan1ok i will try it but how do i convert to fat format?
00:33:56scottderWell I believe it'de dependant on the version you are running now
00:34:03scottderbut I could be wrong....
00:34:07 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
00:34:11scottderI save the hassle and just buy CDs :)
00:34:22linuxstbHansmaulwurf: That Mac installer is "unofficial" - the IpodInstallationFromMacOS page is the only official installation page.
00:34:41linuxstbpowerrangersfan1: The installation page tells you how to do that.
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00:35:55powerrangersfan1oh
00:36:08powerrangersfan1so i need to go downstars and get on a windows pc brb
00:36:45linuxstbYou don't have to use WIndows to convert it, but it's a lot easier if you can.
00:37:15*scottder just loves being able to play ogg vorbis on his ipod :)
00:37:37powerrangersfan1well widnows pc is easery then doing it the hard way
00:37:50linuxstbIndeed.
00:37:53powerrangersfan1i hope it all works
00:38:07powerrangersfan1ipodlinux did not work on video so i am trying it on rockbox
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00:42:54falsorockbox works
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00:44:45Mikachuwe know :)
00:45:45XavierGr_what it works? O RLLY? hehe
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00:46:09Genre9mp3YA RLLY!
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00:46:22XavierGr_:)
00:46:50webguest97Hello rockbox
00:47:13 Quit XavierGr_ ()
00:47:16webguest97can someone xith cvs access can commit this great patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5394
00:47:30webguest97good to have before a release
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00:47:58webguest97wow, i have drunk too much, sorry for typing :)
00:48:35webguest97good night for european rockbox guys
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00:50:24sharpewoo, done with 1/16 of the cpu instructions for the i8080
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00:51:53snakerhi
00:52:44snakerhow to can i load original firmware of ipod with rockbox bootloader? what key? thx
00:52:55sharpewhile booting, hold menu
00:53:11snakerthanks sharpe
00:53:11linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
00:53:49sharpeheheh... 0x14 out of 0xFF opcodes done... yay for hex...
00:55:46linuxstbWhat's the resolution of space invaders?
00:55:55sharpeuno momento
00:56:14sharpe224x256 i believe
00:56:59linuxstbJust too high for the 5g - unless you rotate it like pacbox.
00:57:11sharpewhat i was thinking of doing
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01:00:43*Falco98 listens to the crickets chirp...
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01:03:43*petur is backdropless and wonders why
01:04:20Mikachuany lemon trees nearby?
01:04:28powerrangersfan1can i listen to music that is on my ipod through rockbox or do i need to boot into apple to get music
01:04:44Mikachumusic is the main selling point of rockbox
01:05:20powerrangersfan1oh but do i need to load in into rockbox or can it be loading onto my ipod by itunes?
01:05:41Genre9mp3maybe we should call it doombox!? lol
01:05:57sharpe32 out of ~255 opcodes done...
01:06:01powerrangersfan1i am installing right now! useing the installer
01:06:48powerrangersfan1so nobody did anwser my question how do i load music on to rockbox so i can listen to music?
01:06:50linuxstbpowerrangersfan1: "TagCache" will index files transferred via itunes - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache
01:07:12linuxstbThe FAQ is also helpful: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
01:08:08Falco98powerrangersfan1: the simple answer to your question is you can use music loaded by iTunes, and you can also listen to music you load yourself (which you couldn't listen to with the iPod firmware even)
01:09:00Falco98the caveat is (as linuxstb just said) you must use TagCache to read the tag info from your iTunes files, as their proper filenames are gibberish invented by the iTunes software upon loading
01:09:03powerrangersfan1ok
01:09:34powerrangersfan1i will reply about tagcache affter i load my music 20.GB all night
01:09:40Falco98however, you might find, once you're running rockbox, that you don't really feel like using itunes anomore :)
01:12:15powerrangersfan1btw how do you switch from rockbox to apple os
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01:13:14Falco98whoops
01:13:23Falco98left for a sec.. hopefully he'll figure it out heh
01:14:57Falco98anyway, i hope everyone will check out my latest patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344
01:15:22Falco98it seems to work perfectly now, after a couple of tries :-P
01:15:43Falco98though if anyone can break it, i'd like to hear
01:16:36XavierGrlinuxstb: do you want me to update my patch regarding remote scroll options?
01:16:48Falco98dinner time.. later all
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01:17:11scottderCool idea Falco98
01:17:13scottderOpps he's gone
01:17:14scottder:)
01:18:31linuxstbXavierGr: Yes, I think your patch now needs to undo my patch... :)
01:18:46linuxstbBut I'm going to leave it to markun to commit.
01:18:54scottderDueling patches?
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01:23:05XavierGrok thanks
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01:27:51Novusi extracted the rockbox.zip file to ipod nano but im still getting the apple firmware when i reboot..
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01:32:36sharpepainstakingly long process...
01:33:00Mikachuthe size of whales
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01:33:09Novusany ideas?
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01:42:47Novuswtf, i dowloaded rockbox zip and still get apple firmware
01:43:18Novuswhen i rebooot!!
01:44:25Novusi extraced it to my ipod i got the folders that it says
01:44:34Novusand it still won't bloody work
01:45:38PaulJamwhat messages does the bootloader output before it boots retail os?
01:47:13Novusloading firmware
01:47:31Novusand then goes back to apple settings
01:47:41sharpeis there anything like, "error: -1" ?
01:47:46Novusno
01:48:07sharpeare you holding menu while it's booting?
01:48:48Novusyeah but now it just goes straight back to apple firmware
01:49:28sharpeare you sure 'rockbox.ipod' is in the root of the drive?
01:49:39Novusyes
01:49:42NovusearHertz
01:49:49Novusdrive e:
01:50:27Novusshould i delete the other folders like contacts, calender?
01:50:31sharpewell... does the bootloader say anything before it boots into the apple firmware?
01:50:35sharpethose shouldn't matter
01:50:54Novusit doesn't show anything anymore
01:51:02Novusit only said that when i did part e, testing
01:51:28Novuser part g
01:51:37sharpeso when booting, you never see a blue screen even for a moment?
01:52:10Novusno
01:52:22Novusonly once when i first installed
01:52:26Novusbooter
01:52:48sharpehave you restored your ipod after you've installed the bootloader?
01:54:44linuxstbNovus: Have you rebooted your ipod? i.e. hold MENU and SELECT (the centre button) down together for a few seconds.
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01:57:51powerrangersfan1i finnily have my ipod in windows mode now to install it
01:59:27Novusoh no that did thanks guys for your help
01:59:35Novusit only took me a few hours to do it
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02:07:50*Aghaster is currently freeing his itunes music :)
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02:08:01pjoHello!
02:08:05Aghasterhi pjo
02:08:31pjoPls advise where to place rockBox source codes for CygWin
02:09:00pjoCygWin is installed
02:09:24AghasterYou want to compile rockbox yourself?
02:09:39Aghasterare you familiar with cygwin?
02:10:12pjoactually I want to patch it with Album Art and scrolling text and EQ
02:10:40Aghasteryeah, well, have you ever compiled anything?
02:10:47pjocan I place the RB source using Windows or shall I download it with CygWin ?
02:11:07Aghasteropen up cygwin
02:11:09pjoI have compiled many using Linux but not with CygWin
02:11:25Aghasterthe default directory in cygwin is located at c:/cygwin/home/<user>
02:11:33pjonow I am at the root
02:11:51Aghasteri'm currently on linux, i'm trying to remember cygwin
02:12:07Aghastercheck in c:/cygwin
02:12:11pjoyeah my Linux FC5 does not work right now
02:12:17Aghasterk
02:12:24Aghasteryou might try gentoo one day
02:12:32Aghasteri promise you won't get back on windows lol
02:12:45pjoCygWin is at I:\CygWin
02:12:55Aghasterok, and what are the subdirs?
02:13:16Aghasterfrom what i remember, in /cygwin there is a directory in which there is a whole "linux" directory set
02:13:31pjosub dir is http%3a%2f%2fdownload.rockbox.org%2fcygwin%2f
02:13:49Aghasterin I:\CygWin?
02:14:11pjooh wait there is c:cygwin too and there are UNIX sub dir
02:14:21Aghasterokay
02:14:21peturphew... backdrop handling rewritten and looking good, wps backdrop seems to get loaded twice
02:14:29Aghasterjust look in the home/user dir
02:14:36Aghasterthats where cygwin will pop out by default
02:14:40Aghasterwhen you open it
02:14:47pjoyes
02:14:51*petur needs some sleep
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02:15:03Aghasterso put the source code there
02:15:09Aghasterand you'll easily find it
02:15:11Aghasterin cygwinm
02:15:13Aghasterto compile it
02:15:17pjounder rockbox directory ?
02:15:29Aghasteri haven't compiled rockbox myself
02:15:35Aghasterand my help stops here
02:15:40pjook
02:15:55pjoi will make directory called rockbox
02:16:04Aghasteryeah, that's correct
02:16:13Aghastercompiling under windows is most of the time a pain
02:16:16pjoBTW shall I use nightly build or CVS ?
02:16:18Aghastercompared to linux compiling
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02:16:32Aghasterhum, nightly build will save you the time of compiling
02:16:41pjook
02:16:42powerrangersfan1i cannot seem to get this way to work http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodMacOSInstaller
02:16:51Aghastercvs is the latest development version, but not compiled
02:16:52powerrangersfan1why....i am running tiger
02:17:00Aghasternightly build is a compilation of the cvs at each day
02:17:16scottderpowerrangersfan1: why not try using windows to do the install then
02:17:25Aghasteror linux ;)
02:17:28powerrangersfan1how?
02:17:38scottderUse the windows instructions :)
02:17:49powerrangersfan1i will still need that app? is it easer?
02:18:46pjoI am confused where to find nightly build
02:18:56pjoI found CVS though
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02:19:49pjois nightly build here at http://www.rockbox.org/download/ ?
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02:19:53powerrangersfan1ummm...all of this seems to hard is there any GUI for windows to install of this?
02:20:14JEEBUS87so if u want to put a wps, do u just extract to ur ipod hardrive?
02:20:32powerrangersfan1http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX#Convert_an_iPod_from_HFS_to_FAT3 that is what i am following
02:21:11powerrangersfan1oh well i guss i am going to try it out and see if it works
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02:22:19pjoI found daily builds , not nightly builds
02:22:22JEEBUS87how do u put music on just drag to ipod dirve?
02:23:12pjoJEEBUS: are you using Linux, Windows, OS X ?
02:23:19JEEBUS87windows
02:23:40pjoIs your iPod iTuned ?
02:23:59JEEBUS87yeah
02:24:40pjodo you want your iPod to be caompatible with Apple firmware in addition to RockBox ?
02:24:59JEEBUS87no just rockbox
02:25:35pjoright now your music files are located in ipod_control\music\
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02:26:04pjoand in music there are directoris with names like F02, F40, and so forth
02:26:21JEEBUS87where is that?
02:26:25JEEBUS87on rockbox?
02:26:43pjoif you use yamipod you can easily place music files into iPod retaining this structure
02:26:55pjoit is on iPod
02:27:11JEEBUS87under which category
02:27:16pjodid you connect your iPod and can you see iPod drive from Windows ?
02:27:42JEEBUS87yeah
02:27:55JEEBUS87how do u put themes on?
02:27:58pjomake a change to Windows Explorer so that all hidden directories are displayed
02:28:16pjocan you see iPod drive ?
02:28:22JEEBUS87yeah
02:28:37JEEBUS87i downloaded a wps off the gallery and extracted it to ipod drive?
02:28:38pjothen go to iPod_control directory
02:28:46JEEBUS87is that right
02:29:01pjonow
02:29:27pjoare you sure that you will never want to run Apple Firmware again ?
02:29:42JEEBUS87yes
02:29:49pjoRockBox for iPod is still beta
02:30:06pjoand the target release is around November
02:30:27JEEBUS87wtf when i go to themes
02:30:32JEEBUS87and click on the theme
02:30:38JEEBUS87it shows loading but does nothing
02:31:05pjodid you try to play a song ?
02:31:17JEEBUS87no i dunno how to put song on
02:31:32 Part falso
02:31:34pjobut you said that your iPod is iTuned ?
02:31:45JEEBUS87i dunno if it is
02:31:48pjothere is no music in iPod ?
02:32:05pjoif it is iTuned there must be music in it
02:32:13JEEBUS87when i installed rockbox does it delete ur music?
02:32:31pjoif there is no music , you can put music in any directory you want
02:32:50pjono installing RB does not delete preinstalled music
02:32:57german_snailhow do i install rockbox on my ipod? i don't care about overwriting existing firmware
02:32:57german_snailor it that on the manual...
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02:33:36pjoou prepared in Windows, are they all mp3 ?
02:34:38pjoyes there is a good tut on how to install RockBox
02:35:05pjoare your music all mp3 ?
02:35:24pjoAAC got problems in RockBox
02:36:43pjohow to brows music is diffrent if you use iTunes
02:37:10pjoif you do not use iTunes it is simple , just browse it and select it
02:39:04Aghasterwhat are the current issues with rockbox for ipod?
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02:39:25Aghasteri want to go rockbox all the way, no more apple firmware
02:39:30Aghasterbut i want to know what won't work
02:39:43webguest48DRM and WMA, i guess
02:39:48Mikachuvideo if you have an ipv
02:39:50Aghasteri got a 4th gen ipod, with color display
02:39:57webguest48then again you might not have WMA anyway if it's an ipod
02:39:57pjoAAc support is not perfect, integlation of iTunes playlist is through TagCache
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02:40:25Aghasterrockbox is directory based, so it doesnt work with itunes DB i guess?
02:40:46Aghasteri don't plan on using AAC or wma anyway
02:40:50Aghasterdoes it support flac?
02:40:50pjoRB works with iTunes directory structure with TagCache
02:40:56Falco98basically it lets you use the iPod more like a *real* mass-storage-device, but you may be forced (out of sheer annoyance) to ditch iTunes
02:41:10Falco98and yes, it supports FLAC
02:41:15Aghasteri want to ditch itunes anywya
02:41:15pjoplus sometimes mp3 192K playing, it hangs !
02:41:17Aghasteri'm on linux
02:41:19Falco98good :)
02:41:31Aghaster+ i think Apple is removing too much digital rights with itunes
02:41:37Falco98agreed
02:41:43AghasterI'm currently freeing the music i legally bought from itunes.
02:41:49Falco98haha
02:42:01Falco98i don't believe in paying $1/song for lossy stuff
02:42:08Falco98i'll download illegally, or buy the CD
02:42:10german_snailanapod > itunes :]
02:42:12Aghasterthat's stupid music illegally downloaded on the internet is better than the ones taken from itunes
02:42:12Falco98(often times, one and then the other)
02:42:13Aghastermeh
02:42:14pjoyou would experience many odd things still with RB
02:42:27Aghasterwell, at least itunes songs are lossless
02:42:35Falco98oh? which ones
02:42:40Aghasterwell, i think it is?
02:42:47Falco98i figured iTunes was mp3 or lossy AAC
02:42:56Aghasteri got mine in m4p
02:42:58Falco98though i could be wrong..
02:43:06pjoAAc is not very well supported in RB because developers do not use AAC at all
02:43:09Falco98how big are the song files on average?
02:43:27Aghasterarghhhh
02:43:28Falco98if they're 50 - 60% as big as WAVs would be, they're lossless..
02:43:31Aghasterits 128kbps!
02:43:37Falco98if it's more like 10 - 15%, it's lossy
02:43:40Aghasterwhat a crap have i paid for
02:43:41Falco98ew
02:43:42Falco98haha
02:43:53Falco98i'm thinking of signing up on magnatune.com
02:43:55pjoif you have many AAc files, it is dangerous to use RB only
02:43:58Aghasterbut the only songs i bought were songs i couldnt find anywhere else
02:44:00Falco98(or making my own iTunes competitor)
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02:44:19Aghasterdoes anybody reads 2600 here?
02:44:19Falco98pjo: switching back to the iPod software is all too easy, though..
02:44:29powerrangersfan1i am confused what folde are they talkingabout unzip rockbox.zip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod.
02:44:35pjoplus if you have DRMed AAc, you need to DRm them to be playable with RB
02:44:35Aghasterspecially the "The DRM Plan" article in the latest magazine
02:44:52Falco98powerrangersfan1: are you viewing your ipod as a removable hard drive?
02:44:56pjoi mean unDRM
02:44:59Aghaster:P
02:44:59powerrangersfan1yes on a mac
02:45:03Falco98Aghaster: you have a link?
02:45:14Aghasterno, its not available online
02:45:21Aghasterunless you download a scanned copy
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02:45:25Aghasterwhich i don't encourage
02:45:26Aghaster:P
02:45:27Falco98powerrangersfan1: basically if your iPod is X: you unzip all that stuff right to X:
02:45:29Aghasterwww.2600.com
02:45:45powerrangersfan1huh? i am confused
02:45:54Novusonce rockbox is installed how what dir is ur music in?
02:45:56Falco98in other words, straight to the drive, not to any folder on it
02:46:06Aghasterhehe
02:46:22Aghasteris rockbox written in C++?
02:46:25Falco98C
02:46:27powerrangersfan1oh so just drag folder to my ipod not in no other folder
02:46:27Aghasterok
02:46:32Falco98power: correct
02:46:52powerrangersfan1ok it copying all the files
02:47:10AghasterFalco: what is funny about Apple's DRM is that you actually can burn the songs to a CD then re-encode them to another format...
02:47:28Falco98Aghaster: yeah, i guess they don't count on peole thinking of that...
02:47:29Novushow do u install wps on ipod nano?
02:47:39Falco98then again, cross-coding stuff like that is always bad for lossy reasons
02:48:04pjodo you know how to undrm Apple songs ?
02:48:11powerrangersfan1no it did not work
02:48:25AghasterFalco: It's only a proof that DRM is just a plan to make more money on honest users. They know there will be people who will re-encode the songs and distribute them over p2p
02:48:25Falco98the ultimate downfall of DRM, of course, is the plain fact that anyone could re-record stuff via a line-in and make nearly-lossless copies that way, an reencode
02:48:35powerrangersfan1i did what you said and when it got to the blue screen it said error then said going to orignal firewire
02:48:46powerrangersfan1i spent along time doing all of the steps
02:48:47Aghastertheir "anti-piracy" measures are simply futile, and only remove rights on honest users
02:49:07Falco98power: did it say anything more specific?
02:49:07Aghasteryeah, of course
02:49:15powerrangersfan1no
02:49:37powerrangersfan1all i did is copyed they rockbox unzipped folder to my ipod
02:49:44Novusi downloaded a wps file and extracted it to my ipod drive
02:49:53Novusnow when i click on it in rockbox it doesnt load
02:49:58AghasterThe point is... how can you encourage people to buy music legally over the internet if the songs downloaded illegally do not have the stupid restrictions legal songs have?
02:50:06Falco98ok well plug the ipod back into USB and open up the disk.. confirm that you have a file called "rockbox.ipod" there
02:50:30powerrangersfan1it says rockbox error -1
02:50:44powerrangersfan1ok i will but that file is inside the folder
02:50:44Falco98Aghaster: yeah.. and also that people can buy reasonably-priced CDs (sometimes) with lossless, permanent copies, artwork, etc
02:50:59Aghasteryeah, real CDs are still the best
02:51:06Aghasteryou got real material, and no DRM
02:51:08Falco98power: if you have unzipped it correctly, that file should already be there
02:51:12Novusnobody here has rockbox installed?
02:51:22Falco98Novus: i do.. on my h140.. why?
02:51:45Novusim having trouble putting a wps on there
02:51:52powerrangersfan1ok i unzipped the download rockbox.zip and the zip came with a folder so i drag folder onto my ipod
02:51:54Novuswell i have it on there but when i click it on it doesnt work
02:52:10Falco98novus: so you can find it when you do "browse .wps files"?
02:52:16powerrangersfan1do i drag folder or just the file
02:52:20Novusyes
02:52:42powerrangersfan1yes to what?
02:52:42Falco98power: in your ipod, you should have both a file "iriver.ipod", and a folder ".rockbox"
02:53:05Novusit says brushed_metal
02:53:10Novuswhat should i click
02:53:34Falco98well, it *should* work if you click it, i suppose.. what is it doing after you do so?
02:53:34powerrangersfan1i have a rockbox.ipod no .rockbox folder i think that might be a hidden folder
02:54:00Falco98power: it might be hidden.. maybe you should try unzipping it out of the .zip file again to make sure
02:54:08Novusthe screen goes blank into sleep mode
02:54:12german_snailonce rockbox is installed, do you add/remove files like it's an external hdd?
02:54:13Falco98power: even if you overwrite it, it won't do any harm
02:54:21Falco98german_snail: yup
02:54:47powerrangersfan1it says i need to place the folder to the top level root folder of the ipod
02:54:53Falco98yes
02:55:06Falco98in the same level as the rockbox.ipod file is
02:55:20powerrangersfan1i am so confused
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02:55:40Falco98power: you have to think of your folders like a tree
02:55:47Falco98top level: your ipod
02:55:53Falco98next level: any folders on your ipod
02:55:57Novusalso falco98, what dir is the current music that you had on ipod at ipod
02:55:58Falco98etc.
02:56:10Novus*before installing rockbox
02:56:18german_snailpowerrangersfan1, when you go to "My Computer", what drive letter is your ipod?
02:56:22Falco98novus: you mean what folder does iTunes keep music in?
02:56:29Falco98(german: i believe he's on a mac)
02:56:39german_snailoh
02:56:47Novusyeah
02:56:49powerrangersfan1the zip file i downloaded from daily builds when i used unzip or whatever it zipped whatever (a folder saying rockbox) and inside the folder it has rockbox.ipod that is all
02:57:00german_snailhaha
02:57:17powerrangersfan1so i drag the rockbox-ipodvideo-20060520 Folder "folder to my ipod"
02:57:19german_snailmac user ditching mac firmware
02:57:19powerrangersfan1and nothing
02:57:29Novusi just used itunes to put music on the ipod
02:57:37Novusi never had it one folder
02:58:19Falco98power: the rockbox-ipodvideo-... file is the .zip
02:58:51linuxstbFalco98: I'm guessing the zip file has been uncompressed into a folder with the same name as the .zip
02:58:52powerrangersfan1yes and i drag that folder to my ipod from desktop
02:58:58Falco98it contains a file called "rockbox.ipod" and a folder called ".rockbox"
02:59:07Falco98both of those should be unzipped straight to your ipod disk
02:59:15Falco98linux: prolly
02:59:36powerrangersfan1no it only has rockbox.ipod unless it hidden
02:59:55linuxstbIt's so much easier at the command-line: "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/ipod" ....
02:59:58Falco98you said you're on a mac,r ight?
03:00
03:00:06powerrangersfan1yes i found that .rockbox is hidden
03:00:15Falco98ok
03:00:15powerrangersfan1yes i am on a mac
03:00:19Novuswtf what dir is rockbox on?
03:00:33Novuswhat dir is ur music on
03:00:52powerrangersfan1so what do i do...........
03:00:55Falco98Novus: i'm not sure where iTunes sticks music, if that's what you're talking about
03:01:07Falco98power: have you been able to view the hidden file yet?
03:01:10Novusbackdrop, calender,contact, fonts, notes, photos, themes, wps, calenders
03:01:18Novusthat what i get when i start my ipod now
03:01:20powerrangersfan1yes
03:01:38german_snailargh, i need help, i extracted rockbox.ipod and .rockbox to my ipod's root dir, unplugged usb, rebooted ipod, but it's not running rockbox :/
03:01:40Falco98power: you copy the .rockbox folder to your ipod
03:02:04Mikachuoverflow in rtfm buffer
03:02:14Falco98german: and you followed all the other installation steps for iPod before copying the files over?
03:02:25Falco98Mikachu: ROFL
03:02:36powerrangersfan1ok
03:02:39linuxstbNovus: You shouldn't see the "backdrop, fonts, themes, wps" folders in the same place as calendar and notes - they should have stayed inside the .rockbox folder.
03:03:12linuxstbNovus: But now you can copy music anywhere on your ipod's hard disk. For example, I just have a folder called "Music", and I put everything in there.
03:03:17powerrangersfan1thanks to all it worked
03:03:23powerrangersfan1stupid hidden folders
03:03:38Falco98hehe
03:03:59Falco98power: i'm glad it worked, i was running out of ideas :-)
03:04:07Novusso the music i had prior did or didnt get deleted?
03:04:23powerrangersfan1ok i have no songs on my ipod but when i click the folder rockbox nothing comes up
03:04:26Falco98Novus: there is no reason it would have, unless you did something else to delete it
03:04:46Falco98power: don't click the rockbox folder, there's no music in there
03:04:49Novusbut where is on the ipod screen?
03:05:12powerrangersfan1so then were do i find my music?
03:05:16linuxstbNovus: The screen you are looking at in Rockbox is simply the file browser. Press MENU to go to the menu...
03:05:34german_snailFalco98, which other steps?
03:05:38*Falco98 wishes someone experienced with RB on ipods was in here :-P
03:05:54linuxstbAll the experience is here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
03:06:03Falco98german: on the ipod installation page, there are a few steps listed which you have to do before your iPod "knows" how to boot Rockbox
03:06:09Falco98(see link above)
03:06:30german_snailoh, i just followed the manual
03:06:38linuxstbgerman_snail: Start reading here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort
03:06:47Falco98linux: is the iTunes music accessible via the rockbox filetree at all?
03:07:06powerrangersfan1ok so i see 4 folder "contacts"...and at bottom says rockbox were do i find my music and such
03:07:20powerrangersfan1also how about some better background
03:07:35linuxstbFalco98: You need to change the "Show files" option to "All" and then you can see the obfuscated filenames that itunes creates. TagCache is more practical.
03:07:43Novusso linux i downloaded a wps on and extracted it to my ipod drive
03:07:53german_snailthanks
03:08:00Novusi click on the wps screen it goes blank and goes to sleep mode
03:08:07Falco98linux: i'm only wondering if the actual folders are even visible :-P
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03:08:27Falco98Novus: you should select themes (nominally) by doing "browse themes"
03:08:34linuxstbFalco98: It's all inside a top-level "iPodControl" folder which is hidden.
03:08:41Falco98ahh makes sense then
03:08:55Novusi did...
03:09:00Falco98power: press the button to get into the menu (linux: reference?) and enable TagCache
03:09:13linuxstbFalco98: Err, "Menu"....
03:09:33Falco98oh there's actually a "menu" button on ipod?
03:09:34Falco98ok
03:09:47Novuswhat do u need for wps to work?
03:09:54linuxstbYes, but ironically, the Apple firmware doesn't use it to bring up a menu....
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03:10:12linuxstbIn fact, I've no idea why Apple call that button "menu"...
03:10:39Mikachuit does go to the menu if you're in the wps
03:11:01linuxstbOnly by accident. It should be marked something like "back"
03:11:29linuxstbBut who am I to criticise Apple's UI design....
03:11:41Novusso it says i only have 173 mb left
03:11:49Novusbut i see no music on my ipod
03:12:00Novusin any of the directories
03:13:00Novuswith rockbox installed
03:13:04Falco98Novus: if all your music is iTunes stuff, it's hidden in rockbox unless you enable tagcache
03:13:27NovusOmgooses
03:13:28scottderIpod_Control/Music/<horribly named mess of folders>
03:13:44linuxstbNovus: Have you read the FAQ?
03:13:48Novusyes
03:13:54scottderYou can get in there if you view all files...but it's rather useless
03:14:23pjoto path scrollmargins.diff, same command as xxx.patch or different ?
03:14:26Novusso how do u enable tagcache? on ur ipod
03:14:45Novusthats probably why the wps isnt working
03:14:47Falco98pjo: should be
03:14:55pjook
03:14:56Falco98Novus: menu
03:15:03Falco98then.. hmm..
03:15:16earHertzhow many bits in an int on Ipod?
03:15:36linuxstbNovus: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav
03:15:58linuxstbearHertz: 32
03:16:14pjousing path command for diff file did not work
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03:17:17Novusthx m8 but now im tryin to put the brushed metal theme on there but when i click it it goes black
03:17:17Falco98pjo: not sure, there's a lot of other variables involved...
03:17:23pjodoes anyone advis how to apply xxx.diff file to the RB source ?
03:17:32Novus*blank
03:17:43Falco98Novus: you won't notice too much of a theme change 'til you actually get music playing such that u see a WPS
03:17:49pjohow about using diff command ?
03:18:19linuxstbpjo: Seen this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
03:18:34pjosure this is my favorite page
03:18:51linuxstbWhat's the problem with your patch?
03:19:10Novushow do u turn off the ipod?
03:19:22Novusnvm
03:19:23pjoi want to apply scrollmargins.diff
03:19:33Mikachushow it some pictures of old people
03:19:39pjoand I want to know exactly how to do it
03:20:03pjopatching xxxx.patch worked fine
03:20:12german_snaillinuxstb, i extracted rockbox.ipod and .rockbox _before_ doing all those dos commands, what now?
03:20:47Falco98german: i think as long as you do the necessary steps on the install page, it should work
03:20:48linuxstbpjo: The standard way is to type "patch -p0 < scrollmargins.diff" from the "rockbox" directory - i.e. in the directory containing apps, firmware etc.
03:21:10pjothat is what I did
03:21:15german_snailk
03:21:20linuxstbgerman_snail: So have you now done all the DOS commands?
03:21:29german_snailyeah
03:21:35linuxstbAnd what does your ipod do?
03:21:44german_snailoh it's working now
03:21:47german_snailcool
03:21:55pjopatch command asks "file to path"
03:22:22Falco98hehe
03:22:24linuxstbOK. Try again with "-p1" instead of "-p0"
03:22:30pjook
03:22:47sharpeokay... 79 instructions implemented so far...
03:22:52Falco98linux: BTW what does "-p1", etc, do? mess with relative path etc?
03:23:04linuxstbOr stop guessing, and open up the patch file in a text editor and look at the filenames at the top of the patch.
03:23:08Falco98JdGordon: get my PM?
03:23:17JdGordonye
03:23:18pjook
03:23:27sharpeonly... 255-79 more to go.
03:23:35Falco98k, just wanted to know what you thought :-P
03:23:52JdGordonill leave it up to you... im done with that patch.. :D
03:23:57Falco98BTW you should post a reply on the thread in General Discussion, O:-)
03:24:03Falco98hehe
03:24:10Falco98well i believe it's working pretty close to 100% now
03:24:33Falco98that was the last bug i could discover, anyway
03:24:37linuxstbFalco98: Yes. If the filename in the patch is "rockbox/apps/settings.c", then "-p0" means that patch will look for rockbox/apps/settings.c, "-p1" will mean that patch looks for apps/settings.c and "-p2" will mean that patch looks for settings.c in the current directory.
03:24:59Falco98linuxstb: gotcha.. i hadn't run across that quite yet
03:25:54pjowith p1 it displays error, can't find file to path at input line 8, Perhaps you used the wrong -p or −−strip option
03:26:09german_snailhow do i shut down ipod now? i can't keep my eyes open to read another word
03:26:18Falco98pjo: what folder do you have the diff in, and what files does it refer to?
03:26:38Falco98german_snail: hold "stop" i think
03:26:41pjoit is in home directry of mine at CygWin
03:26:44scottderFalco98: I like the idea for your patch BTW for the crossfade
03:26:56pjoin the rockbox folder
03:27:11german_snailta
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03:27:21pjothere is diff and patch and patch worked
03:28:11pjomaybe this diff file is not compatible with the latest daily build
03:28:33sharpe466 lines done...
03:29:03sharpe95 instructions implemented...
03:30:15Falco98scottder: thanks :)
03:30:44Falco98scottder: found any more bugs? and, do you have the latest version?
03:30:51Falco98all but the latest are slightly buggy
03:30:52scottderNot that I really use Crossfade much. But still an excellent idea
03:30:54scottder:)
03:30:54Falco98(hopefully :-P)
03:30:59Falco98yeah
03:31:08earHertzI'm teh decider!
03:31:09Falco98well right now i'm listening to random albums
03:31:16Falco98so i don't have crossfade on
03:31:29Falco98but when i switch back to random, it'll be right there for me
03:31:45Falco98and if i skip any tracks, it's *still* there for me :-P
03:31:53Falco98imagine that! O:-)
03:32:01scottderearHertz: we'll just call ya W :)
03:32:17scottderBEHOLD>...the power of chee...I mean Rockbox
03:32:17scottder:)
03:32:18earHertzCall me "Q". For "quagmire"
03:32:40scottderGiggity
03:32:41scottder:)
03:34:26Falco98all: quickly, does rockbox support SHN? i suddenly forget, and have never bothered trying
03:35:04sharpe111 cpu instructions implemented in 512 lines...
03:35:36JdGordonsharpe: is this your c64 emulator?
03:35:50sharpeJdGordon: nope, space invaders ;)
03:35:58JdGordonhaha, even better :D
03:36:07JdGordonhow many more instructions r there?
03:36:13sharpearound 255
03:36:38sharpei'm somewhat porting SIDE
03:37:07Falco98n/m, confirmed in the wiki
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03:39:16Falco98WB power
03:39:28powerrangersfan1how do i install these http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
03:40:20powerrangersfan1does anyone know
03:40:26Falco98power: that'll be a bit tricky.. you should read the WPS FAQ first just so you know what we're talking about when we tell you stuff
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03:40:56earHertzman, those are pretty
03:41:10Falco98yeah
03:41:18*Falco98 is jealous (sorta) of ipod users
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03:41:52earHertzFalco, having had an archos FM, I can tell you, the ipod is nicer. Lighter, less prone to problems
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03:42:10earHertzplus, you can watch porno movies on it
03:42:15earHertzI mean, educational podcasts
03:42:19Falco98haha
03:42:27sharpewoo! half of the i8080 instrictions implemented
03:42:27powerrangersfan1oh so then i should just stick with the plan background
03:42:38*Falco98 abhors the popularity of the term "podcast"
03:42:59Falco98power: an easier thing to do, at least for a day or so, is to go into the menu and do "browse themes"
03:43:28Falco98(will he have themes if he only has today's build?)
03:43:29powerrangersfan1ok i will
03:43:31earHertzFalco98: yeah, the term sucks. But I've been listening to entre semester length courses form UBerkely
03:43:33earHertznice
03:43:41Falco98hehe
03:43:51earHertzno, sertioysly. IB31, aninal behavior
03:43:57earHertzanimal
03:44:13powerrangersfan1oh, do i need to keep downloading daily builds
03:44:26powerrangersfan1is Tag Cache easy thing to do
03:45:09Falco98power: not EVERY day, but it is occasionally good to do
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03:45:21Falco98and, tag cache should be easy once you've updated it once
03:45:28earHertzpowerrangersfan1: the code is a bit diffult. useing it is easy
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03:54:44Falco98all: are daily builds being shipped with the built-in extra WPS' these days?
03:55:02earHertzI wish C had default arguments
03:55:18Mikachuit does
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03:55:32earHertzit does?
03:55:33Mikachuwell, maybe not
03:55:50Mikachubut you could cheat and do it
03:56:12earHertzhow would you do that
03:56:15earHertz?
03:56:27Mikachui would have to think about that for a while
03:57:37sharpe143 instructions implemented.
03:57:51sharpe644 lines of code
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04:00:05earHertzsharpe, what ARE you doing?
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04:00:47sharpemaking a switch statement with almost 250 entries to emulate the i8080, for space invaders?
04:01:28earHertzsure you don't want an array?
04:01:38sharpewhy would i?
04:01:45earHertznevermind ;)
04:01:50sharpe:)
04:02:02sharpeyay emulation of processors..
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04:04:09pjoso long
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04:05:31Aghaster... and thanks for all the fish
04:12:04Falco98fish eh?
04:14:24sharpe175 instructions... 756 lines...
04:15:55sharpegrrgle...
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04:19:50scottdergrrgle? I think sharpe is choking!
04:19:52scottder;)
04:20:11sharpeheh...
04:20:12Falco98hehe
04:20:20Falco98scott: have you checked out my other patch?
04:20:32Falco98the "insert random folders" patch?
04:20:38sharpemy life is actually good enough for once :)
04:21:14sharpenot that it wasn't bad
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04:23:59sharpewoo! 191 done
04:24:37Mikachuyay go team
04:26:43sharpei'm a team! yay1
04:29:47scottderFalco98: can't say that I have...
04:29:54scottderI don't use any patches myself....
04:30:04scottderjust the latest and greatest from CVS :)
04:30:17sharpei don't really use patches either...
04:35:15Falco98ah.. then you haven't used my "random & track skip" patch yet?
04:35:24sharpenope...
04:35:26sharpesorry...
04:35:43Falco98(i only use patches because these are features i wanted badly to write / instigate myself :-P)
04:36:02Mikachui probably have more modified than original lines in my tree :)
04:36:04*Falco98 listens intently to his h140 playing back albums in apparently-random order, never knowing what's next (!!)
04:36:09Falco98hehe
04:36:14sharpeheheh
04:36:51Falco98Mikachu: how do you speed up the process of re-doing various patches, etc, when you update to a new build?
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04:36:52PaulJamFalco98: I think someone mentioned yesterday that you should change the line " {2, S_O(crossfade), 0,...." in settings.c . The first number (2) determines the number of bits needed to store the setting, and for 5 settings you need 3 bits instead of two.
04:37:02MikachuFalco98: ? cvs update
04:37:09Falco98ahh
04:37:14Falco98Paul: thanks, i'll look at that...
04:37:58sharpei'm listening to... reggie and the full effect... on my ipod... with rockbox!
04:38:09Falco98PaulJam: how severe of an effect would this have, just out of curiosity?
04:38:35Mikachuthe setting would not be saved
04:38:38Falco98since the patch seems to work with that number unchanged..
04:38:44PaulJamFalco98: if you set it to always the setting is not stored on reboot
04:39:16Falco98ahh, i haven't actually tried "always" yet :-P
04:39:34Falco98i'll update.. i guess i only need to update the .patch file itself, since it's a 1-byte change in this case...
04:39:36sharpe207 instructions done...
04:39:51MikachuFalco98: are you downloading daily .tar.bz2 files?
04:39:57Mikachucause that's just silly :)
04:40:06Falco98when i do use a new daily, that's how i tend to do it
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04:40:32Falco98but i'm keeping my DEV folder separate from the builds i actually use, cuz i'm using that for development of only one patch
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04:40:45Mikachuthat's one way to do it
04:41:01Falco98(and i assume that if i'm coding 2 separate patches in the same path, when i do a diff, it'll catch everything instead of just the desired patch, right?)
04:41:13Mikachuyeah
04:42:19Falco98which kinda boggles me as to how people do multiple patches at once.. unless they have multiple source folders set up
04:42:29Falco98(which i do, but generally just 2ish)
04:43:46Mikachuwell, you can edit out parts of the patch after you generate it
04:44:34Falco98true
04:44:49Mikachuit's especially easy if all your changes are in separate files
04:44:56Falco98though if you happen to be working in the same file with multiple patches you're pretty much screwed then :-P
04:49:45sharpe223 instructions!
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04:53:43Falco98PaulJam: do you remember who/when was mentioning it yesterday?
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04:55:54PaulJamFalco98: i'm not sure, i think amiconn or linuxstb.
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04:56:08sharpeokay, my thousandth line is, " { "
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04:58:34scottderHe it's not the number of lines, it the motion of the code...
04:58:37scottderor something
04:58:50sharpe?
04:59:48Falco98hehe
05:00
05:00:15*Falco98 wishes linux would look at his patch and consider CVSing it :-P
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05:02:16midkaysharpe, i got factions today :)
05:02:32AghasterFalco, i'm almost finished freeing my music :)
05:03:05Aghasteryou wrote a patch?
05:03:19sharpe239 instructions implemented
05:03:37sharpe1056 lines of code :'(
05:04:23midkaysharpe: what's your char's name?
05:04:31sharpewha?
05:04:39midkay<midkay> sharpe, i got factions today :)
05:04:42sharpeoh, cool
05:04:43Falco98Aghaster: congratulations :-P
05:04:52Falco98Aghaster: if you were asking me if i wrote one, the answer is yes
05:04:53midkaysharpe, you blind bastard.. :)
05:04:57sharpe:)
05:04:59Falco98http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344
05:05:00Aghasterwhat does your patch do?
05:05:01sharpei can't remember the name...
05:05:05midkayhaha.
05:05:07midkayShar Pie?
05:05:14sharpeno, but that is a good one.
05:05:22midkayin fact it is.
05:05:33sharpeit's also not trademarked.
05:05:36Aghastercool.
05:05:40midkayhaha.
05:05:45Falco98it's pretty simple.. instead of forcing a user to select "crossfade when in shuffle mode" OR "crossfade upon track skip", it allows the user to select "both" without having to set crossfade to "always"
05:05:52Aghasteryeah, i just read
05:06:03sharpemidkay: i think one is "Haste Mimikry"
05:06:10AghasterFalco, is Rockbox translated in Esperanto?
05:06:16midkaysharpe, alright.
05:06:17Falco98heh, no idea :-P
05:06:24sharpenot quite sure about the other though.
05:06:28Falco98you could check to see whether the builds ship with an "esperanto.lang" file
05:06:30Aghasterokay, then you might have an esperanto translation coming lol
05:06:40midkaysharpe, well, the friends list only requires one name on the account to be added..
05:06:47Aghasterdoes rockbox uses unicode?
05:06:55midkayany other characters logged on under that account will show up next to the friendslist name in parenthases.
05:07:04midkaye.g. Haste Mimikry (Shar Pie).
05:07:18sharpei'll smack you with the spelling book! parentheses!
05:07:25midkayWTF.
05:07:28midkayokay. wait.
05:07:41midkayfirst, wtf at me using parentheses more than once in a day.
05:07:50midkaysecond, wtf at ????.
05:07:53midkaythird, wtf. i misspelled it again.
05:07:54midkay:(
05:08:01sharpelol...
05:08:20Falco98Aghaster: you happen to have a link to "The DRM plan" article?
05:08:24Falco98or is it only in print?
05:08:27sharpei should have a script that corrects you everytime you use 'parenthases'
05:08:29Aghasterits only print
05:08:34midkaysharpe, haha.
05:08:35Aghasterbut we should try finding it on the internet
05:08:38Aghastermaybe someone scanned it
05:09:43sharpescary. i also thought one of these instructions was named 'dj'
05:09:49sharpealmost.
05:09:59sharpenot also...
05:10:07sharpehow'd i get also out of almost?
05:10:32midkayhaha,
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05:14:23AghasterFalco98: i found out a pdf on emule, but it may take long to download. its emule
05:14:51Falco98ok
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05:17:07scremohello?
05:17:27sharpegoodnight
05:17:43earHertzwe're sorry, nobody is IRCing at the momnet, leas try your converstion later. Goodbye
05:17:57midkayearHertz, it'd be even more convincing sans typos..
05:17:58midkay:)
05:18:01sharpeit's funny pronouncing typos
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05:18:12earHertztyeah, it's like I have an accent
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05:18:15midkayhaha.
05:18:26sharpemidkay, have i told you how i'm implementing the cpu for the space invaders emulator?
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05:19:16midkaysharpe, you're working on a space invaders emulator?
05:19:20sharpeyep.
05:19:30midkaypretty, uh, pretty, uh, uh, pretty, um, pretty, uh, cool.
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05:19:52sharpewell, i don't have to worry about keyboard input with this... :)
05:20:01midkayc64 emu?1!
05:20:13sharpeit's on hold at the moment...
05:20:17midkayi mean.
05:20:18midkaywell.
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05:20:25midkayhow are you implementing the cpu for the space invaders emulator.
05:21:00sharpefor interpreting the opcodes, one switch statement with ~245 cases...
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05:21:50sharpewhich i just finished...
05:22:03midkaywow.
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05:22:31sharpe1135 lines...
05:24:24midkay:E
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05:25:02sharpei would so cry right now if i accidentally deleted it.
05:26:34scremoi need help
05:26:41midkayhaha.
05:26:57sharpewe can help.
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05:28:17earHertzOK, help me with an interface issue. The ipod has a scroll wheel. How should we report scroll information. One way is to report the actual scroll wheel delta, and let the client code use that "raw" number. The other way is to "chunk" the value into, say, 8 virtual keys: slow scroll fwd, medium fwd, fast_fwsd, etra fast fwd, and corresponding for backward. Chunking makes for a better...
05:28:18earHertz...interface −− client code can handle each one as a "key", but it loses teh granulairy of reporting teh actual value. Your thoughts, gentlemen?
05:29:02Falco98amiconn: u around?
05:29:55sharpeearHertz: arr! burn the code! arr!
05:30:09earHertzyou're a pirate?
05:30:24sharpearr, for the next few minutes, aye.
05:30:34Falco98bus pirates!!
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05:32:42sharpeArr... why be i8080.h needed to build, when we've got no reference to it, nor a file named that... Arr...
05:32:50Falco98http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2719394?pg=latest&amp;htv=12
05:34:20Falco98PaulJam: I found the logs where amiconn found the bug in my patfh
05:34:22Falco98patch*
05:34:33*Falco98 wonders why noone mentioned it on the flyspray page :-P
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05:36:25Falco98JdGordon: still around?
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05:41:21Falco98does anyone happen to know of (or know how to write real quick) a function in RB to test whether the "next song" is in the same DIR as the "current song"
05:41:22Falco98?
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06:07:32sharpewoo! it compiles
06:07:33sharpe!
06:07:43Aghasterquick question: in what directory should i put my music on my ipod for rockbox?
06:07:55Falco98Aghaster: any directory you feel like...
06:08:12Falco98many of us have music simply in "\Music"
06:08:14Aghasterok, i just dont see where i can browse my folders
06:08:40Falco98when you first power-on in RB it should come up with a view of the top directory, including any folders you have there
06:08:47Falco98(if you don't have any folders, you won't have much there)
06:08:52RoC_MMCan someone see if this pulls up a password box? http://68.142.29.8:6000
06:09:12Falco98RoC_MM: nope, just "restricted"
06:09:20RoC_MMo
06:09:24RoC_MMfirefox won't pull that up
06:09:28sharpeRoC_MM: ie does
06:09:31RoC_MM"security restrctions"
06:09:39RoC_MMit gives a password box?
06:09:41sharpeaye
06:09:43RoC_MMcool
06:09:45RoC_MMthanks :-)
06:09:49sharpewelcome
06:09:58Aghasterhum... i loaded a small "void" game, you know that game where you destroy asteroids with a small spaceship
06:10:01Aghasterbut i dont know how to get out
06:10:13sharpetry select+menu
06:10:31Aghasterwon't that reboot my ipod?
06:10:39sharpenot if you just press them, and not hold them
06:10:45sharpemost plugins use that to exit
06:11:01Aghasterdoing that + holding menu after worked.
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06:11:42sharpesomething's wrong...
06:11:56sharpespinv.rock is 40 bytes...
06:12:58sharpeah, probably because i haven't actually used the function with the switches.
06:13:00RoC_MMthanks sharpe
06:13:05sharpeyou're welcome
06:17:06sharpewoo, space invaders takes up 16kb for ram/rom in memory.
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06:21:39sharpei don't think i'll have to write any code to rotate the screen, as it's already rotated in memory...
06:25:05midkaysharpe, let's Factions!
06:25:23sharpeyou mean... go downstairs?
06:25:32midkayi ser-pose!
06:25:43sharpeit's like, midnight for me :)
06:25:51midkaywhat a bastard.
06:25:52midkay:)
06:25:56sharpe;)
06:26:17sharpei know i'll probably get on tomorrow though...
06:26:32midkaygood2hear.
06:26:37sharpewerd.
06:27:00sharpei'm just going to finish these few parts of the emulator, see if i can get it working, and go to bed.
06:27:11midkayi, uh, you, uh, bippity boppity gnome.
06:27:22sharpehell?
06:28:27sharpehmm
06:28:35sharpehow does spinv sound for a name?
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06:31:57midkaywell, uh, you know, uh, bippity boppity, uh, space invaders, uh, hell no, uh, gnome power.
06:32:04sharpeah.
06:32:10sharperighto.
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06:36:06midkaybippity boppity gnome.
06:36:06AghasterThere is no Esperanto translation available. As soon as i got it ready on my ipod, i'll start working at it
06:36:18Aghasterand it seems we can translate it orally too?
06:36:26Aghasterthat might be quite kewl to do :P
06:36:57midkayhaha. he said oral.
06:37:09midkayAghaster, um, hm, i'm not sure, honestly. :)
06:37:15Aghasteruh
06:37:23Aghasterisn't there voice translation?
06:37:27Aghasterfor blind people
06:37:57AghasterI know you guys wanna hear my voice speaking Esperanto XD
06:38:01midkayhaha.
06:38:07Aghaster:P
06:38:18Aghasterlol
06:40:03Aghasterhey, the sound just keeps skipping :/
06:42:11midkaymake sure peak meters aren't visible and EQ is off..
06:42:16midkaygot to run, bbi a bit..
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06:49:03Aghasterwhat can cause skippy sound on ipod?
06:49:11Aghasterit seems its only some songs that do skip.
06:58:53sharpeisn't PC &= 0xFFFF redundant? where PC is a short...
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07:02:08Aghasterhow do i get back to my ipod's root in rockbox?
07:02:55sharpekeep pressing back (left)
07:04:26Aghasterthis gets me to the music i'm currently listenning
07:05:00sharpepress select, and try it, if you're in the wps
07:05:37*EbErT wishes there was a good way to check for corrupted id3 tags
07:05:49EbErTkeeps hanging up on forced id3 cache on ipod
07:06:15EbErTdriving me insane! if that part worked, i'd be real satisfied with the ipod builds so far
07:06:50Aghasterit skips >:[
07:07:01Aghasterargh!
07:07:03EbErTyou put on equilizer?
07:07:23EbErTare you running id3 cache in background?
07:07:50Aghasterequalizer is off
07:07:53Aghasterand it skips
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07:08:36EbErTlotsa reasons probably. have u gotten id3 tags to work?
07:08:46Aghasterid3 tags show
07:08:47Aghasteryes
07:08:53EbErThow many songs in collection?
07:09:02Aghasteri only imported a hundred
07:09:35EbErTi have a corrupted one somewhere, made my cpu go crazy on itunes too
07:09:54Aghastera corrupted id3 tag?
07:10:43EbErTor song
07:10:52EbErTout of 5600 songs
07:10:59Aghasterdo software exist to detect song corruption?
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07:13:02Aghasterwhat is the song file format the best supported by rockbox?
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07:23:11EbErTi need software that detects corruption
07:23:13EbErTand fast
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07:23:36EbErTlotsa formats accepted by rockbox. look into the manual
07:23:46EbErTwma, mp3, ogg, aff, aac
07:28:44zemy beloved karma fell hard on cement and now the HD's dead )o:
07:29:46EbErTmy feelings go out to u ze
07:29:59zebefore i go ahead and get a new HD or a used karma, anyone have recomendations on something that can be had brand-new that'd be acceptable to a karma-lover?
07:30:29zei have to say, i love the scroll wheel, the long battery life, and the support for ogg and flac
07:30:44zeand the gapless and responsivenes in general
07:31:52zei could only love this thing more if rockbox ran on it :/
07:31:53zeheh
07:32:26zeand at this point i'm almost certainly going to get another to replace it
07:32:42zeunless somebody knows of something new that can actually win me over heh
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07:34:54zepart of the thing is it sucks to go spending $150 on something thats not even new
07:35:07EbErTthat's hd mp3 players for u
07:35:20EbErTmoney is worth much less to people nowadays
07:35:36sharpeblar...
07:35:37sharpeg'night.
07:35:38EbErTi'd say just get something that sounds really good and holds lots
07:35:52EbErTbut that's what's important to me
07:35:56zebut my screen ended up broken too, and i broke my hold switch while dissecting it
07:36:19EbErTdoes shuffle settings have to be saved, or does it save it itself
07:36:20zenot to mention the new hd's i've found that aren't more than the whole unit are of questionable compatibility as they aren't specific on model number or height or interface
07:36:50EbErTdon'[t do that. since screen's gone, just get a different one
07:37:00zeso overall i'd be more inclined to get the whole new unit and then have a spare battery and mostly-intact mainboard
07:37:05zewell i can get a new screen for like $20
07:37:59zethere's a seller on ebay who's got each individual part of the karma for prices around that and many of each in stock
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07:48:15EbErTdoes shuffle settings have to be saved, or does it save it itself
07:48:22EbErTseems silly if it has to be
07:50:43midkayshuffle settings?
07:51:04EbErTshuffle on/off
07:51:11midkayof course it saves itself..
07:51:22midkayall settings save themselves.
07:51:25EbErTwhen i turn it back on, its always on
07:51:42midkayhow do you turn it off, and what is 'it'?
07:51:48EbErToh, i was writing the file. guess i misunderstood what that was for
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07:52:04EbErTwhen i turn ipod on, shuffle is on. sry
07:52:16midkayhow do you turn it off?
07:52:22EbErThold play
07:52:39EbErTlemme test it again.
07:52:43midkaynot sure what's up then, i don't have trouble with it.
07:53:13EbErTbut my BIG problem is not having id3 tags cacheing
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07:53:25EbErTi force it, and it hangs up 3 mins in
07:53:36EbErTi've got a corrupted id3 tag or song
07:53:38midkaytags caching?
07:53:47midkaywhat model?
07:54:00EbErTipod photo 60gb
07:55:45midkaypretty weird.
07:55:56zemidkay:
07:56:06zemidkay: my karma needs replacement
07:56:23zemidkay: before i get a used karma in its place
07:56:34zemidkay: any recomendations of something new to get instead?
07:56:43midkayze, how about an iPod 5G? :)
07:56:43zemidkay: something that i'd actually like at least as well as my karma?
07:56:52midkayi haven't used karmas too extensively..
07:56:54zemidkay: i'm serious :p
07:57:09midkaybut the ipods+rockbox have as-good or better sound quality, surely, and definitely more configurable and stuff.
07:57:12EbErTwait, who makes karma
07:57:15midkay5-band parametric eq, just like the karma..
07:57:18midkayEbErT, Rio.
07:57:34goffazs... if color screen isn't a big deal i REALLY like my h140
07:57:38midkayze, crossfeed.. crossfade, but even more extensive, if you like that kind of thing.. we now have TagCache for browsing like the karma..
07:57:46goffai've got a karma, x5l, and an h140
07:57:52zei'd love something with rockbox
07:57:53midkaysome kind of rockboxed player. :)
07:58:02goffayou can get a one for like $200 on ebay
07:58:03midkayze, you might like the H100s, yeah..
07:58:06zebut i'm pretty hooked on the scrollwheel, ogg, flac
07:58:10midkaysimilar priced, but rockbox-capabile..
07:58:11goffathat's where i got mine
07:58:21midkayrockbox = ogg, flac, wavpack, everything..
07:58:22goffamy karma wheel brok :(
07:58:22EbErTany suggestions for type of app to find corruped file on ipod?
07:58:30midkaycorrupted file?
07:58:36goffabroke
07:58:51EbErTyeah
07:58:52zegoffa: sucks
07:59:02midkayze, well, yeah, anyways, the h100 series is probably quite similar to the karma..
07:59:16EbErTit ran my itunes cpu usage way up. took me tons of time to figure that out
07:59:17goffayeah... in a way.. prompted me to get my x5 and h140
07:59:20goffareally happy with those
07:59:29zegoffa: my karma came with a dead line... other than that everything's been fine untill it got broken by mishaps
07:59:30goffai don't miss the wheel so much now
07:59:59zei really appreciate the wheel for jumping quickly in seeks and file lists
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08:00:08goffayeah
08:00:15goffascrolling is better on rockbox imo
08:00:15midkayze, a 30gb ipod could be found for probably $275, and it has the touch wheel.. we'll have accelleration for that soon, surely..
08:00:21goffayou might miss it for the seek
08:01:01midkayze, the ipod's stock firmware is a great example for the touch wheel, trying to pick a song out of a list of like 600 songs for me is .. incredibly quick. :)
08:01:01goffai never seek so that wasn't an issue
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08:01:25zemidkay: if this wheel has acceleration, its pretty seemless... it feels very 1:1
08:01:33midkayi was messing around with it a couple days ago, only took me like 5-6 seconds to seek out a song in the middle-ish of a 600-song or so list..
08:01:34zei move quick, it moves as quick
08:01:35zeheh
08:02:09midkayze, well, i couldn't love my 5G more. :)
08:02:33zemidkay: ipod's not desirable as far as price and aesthetic go heh
08:02:40goffayeah
08:03:06goffayou can do better price/look/quality wise than the ipod
08:03:08midkayze, hm, maybe look into an H100 or H300 then..
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08:03:24midkaygoffa, what do you mean, quality wise?
08:03:36goffaseems like sound quality is lower on ipod
08:03:50midkayoh, you forgot to mention you had one.
08:03:54zegoffa: i've heard that a lot too
08:04:00goffamaybe it was the crap files that were on there
08:04:03goffai don't own one
08:04:03midkayze, rockboxwise or apple-firmware-wise?
08:04:11goffaapple firmware
08:04:16goffacan't comment on rockbox on the ipod
08:04:24midkayi thought the apple firmware sounded pretty good, but rockbox completely destroys it..
08:04:46goffaso that's a consideration too ze
08:05:04zei've no idea, i've just seen lots of places that the karma had better sound quality than ipod, including notes of surprise about such considering how similar internals they have
08:05:09midkayze, yeah, well, again, i have no karma experience as far as quality, and i've barely toyed with the UI..
08:05:24midkayze, well, those are comparing apple's firmware, keep that in mind. :)
08:05:37goffayeah.. i was happy with karma's sound
08:05:37zedid apple just choose crappy decoding engines?
08:05:38zeheh
08:05:43goffabest sound has to be the x5 though
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08:05:51midkayze, yeah, they licensed some crap from thomson or something. :)
08:05:54goffaamong the stuff i've heard
08:06:03zegoffa: who makes the x5?
08:06:13zeand the h[13]00 are what, iriver?
08:06:14midkayvery very noticeable difference between rockbox and apple firmware.. maybe it's the equalizer..
08:06:19midkayyeah..
08:06:22midkaycowon makes the x5.
08:06:23goffaze: cowon
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08:06:29goffacowonamerica.com
08:06:41goffaor iaudio.com
08:07:07goffabut you get more storage/battery life with the h140
08:07:11midkayi've heard their firmware is pretty slow but sounds quite good.. they seem like they know what they're doing, also, flac and ogg support, iirc..
08:07:21goffayeah...
08:07:28goffatheir firmware is really slow
08:07:31EbErTsoundcard on shuffle produces better sound than all the other ipods, if that tells ya anything
08:07:36goffabut you can't knock the sound
08:07:58goffarockbox speeds it considerably
08:09:21midkayze, anyways, with the number of supported rockbox players, i couldn't forgive you for not getting one.. :)
08:09:27EbErTmaybe the forced tag caching could come with error messages or what file it had trouble with later on
08:09:45zemidkay: i can get a used karma for ~$150
08:09:54EbErTif i can get id3 tags to work, i'll be completely satisfied w/ rockbox so far
08:11:11zeand i can resurect this one with a new HD and replacement screen for probably around $80
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08:15:39goffaif it wasn't for musepack i wouldn't have discovered/tried rockbox
08:15:46goffaotherwise i probably would have fixed my karma
08:16:19goffakarma does have pretty good firmware... i like rockbox better though
08:17:23EbErTi'm gunna kill that one song that's probably giving me all this grief
08:17:40midkayze, a used h120 would be about that... sure..
08:18:38goffai'd spend the extra 50 and get the 140 though.. unless 20 is big enough
08:19:48midkayyeah, whatever he does, he knows that he's going to get a rockbox player or be killed by me. :)
08:20:16goffalol.. i can see it now "Midkay sends hitman from detroit"
08:20:23zeheh
08:20:25midkayhaha.
08:20:30midkaydetroit~!!?!/
08:20:35zewell it could work out to get another player entirely
08:20:44zeand then i can resurect this one some time in the future
08:20:58goffa1st rough town that came into my head
08:21:00zealthough if i plan to do that, i'd probably be better off getting the new screen soonish
08:21:12zebut the HD's oughtta be around
08:21:49zebut then if i don't like the new one i've already spent what i had to go towards the HD
08:21:53zeheh
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08:22:41goffawell... a 40gb hd is close to the price of a 140 :) and 20 is close to the price of a 120
08:22:48midkayhaha.
08:22:53zeheh
08:23:05zei've found the hitachi 20G's for about $50 or $60
08:23:17goffacool
08:23:24zethe only problem is they don't specify the interface or explicitly say that they're 7mm
08:23:34goffayeah
08:23:42zeand don't have the complete proper model number that indicates those parameters
08:23:53goffayeah.. that makes it tough
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08:26:23midkayhey. i need people to vote here. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4320.0
08:26:25midkaycome on.
08:27:19goffathat loks nice midkay
08:27:25goffareally nice
08:27:28midkayvote vote vote pls. :)
08:27:33midkaythanks.
08:27:57midkayhm, cool..
08:27:57goffavoted
08:28:00midkaythanks :)
08:29:19midkayany suggestions, btw? didn't get any, but i would like to hear some if there were any..
08:29:36goffai don't have any
08:29:53midkayk, thx though.. be back in a lil' bit.
08:30:21EbErTpre 3.0? what are we on now
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08:30:27EbErTand is this a big step?
08:30:36goffa3 is next release
08:30:36Jungti1234hello
08:31:08goffathey are just killing bugs now
08:31:16goffaif you use cvs you probably won't notice much
08:32:39zemidkay: i gotta say, they look less dimensional and more pixelly
08:32:40EbErTkk
08:32:57EbErTi kinda like that look, good work
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08:43:57midkayze, what look less dimensional?
08:44:04midkayoh.
08:44:06midkaymy bitmaps?
08:44:08zedon't have much in the sense of reference, but just from the dimension ratio's, the hxx0's look big
08:44:12zemidkay: yeah
08:44:48midkayze, true, it was a really quick photoshop resize.. if i do commit them, i'll probably remake them for each LCD..
08:45:06midkaybut it's the general idea.. and imo they look considerably better on-target.
08:45:11midkayboth of them.
08:51:00zehmm so the h1x0's are taller, narrower, and slimmer
08:51:06zelike everything else
08:51:12zei kinda like the squatness of the karma too :/
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08:57:06JdGordonand i got 2 asses due next week
08:57:11JdGordonwoops.. wrong window
08:57:12JdGordonhey all
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08:58:15midkayzup jdjd.
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08:58:52midkayum. hi.
08:58:54goffaze... if size is an issue x5 may be woth looking at
08:58:58goffaworth
08:58:58Jungti1234hi...:(
08:59:11goffaalthough you don't gain much
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10:29:42cmuganyone figured a good way to use itunes + rockbox + podcasts?
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10:36:47midkaywhat format are podcasts?
10:37:16midkaytagcache is a fine way to do rockbox + itunes, but podcast support doesn't exist yet..
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11:01:53wehnbut podcasts are just MP3s. The 'support' is on the computer side with RSS and such.
11:05:54midkayif they are then sure, of course, mp3 playback is possible :)
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11:06:37thegeekthat's not really what he is asking about
11:06:52thegeekafaik there is no solution to automatically update the player with new podcasts
11:07:06thegeekbut it's very easy to do it with some scripts
11:07:24thegeeknot sure if there is any way to have itunes update podcasts with a usb/hd-based player
11:07:33RedBrevaOK, I give up... Anyone know what the keys are for Minesweeper on the iPod?
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11:10:25RedBrevaAh OK, Select + Play to discover
11:12:38cmugi meant in itunes i can setup to "update my podcasts" etc
11:13:14cmugthat puts my podcasts to the itunes folders F03 etc
11:14:25cmugmaybe its not possible
11:17:03midkaycmug, TagCache will let you browse files by id3tag instead of folders..
11:17:24midkayso you can build a database of all the mp3s on your disk, and if the podcasts are tagged correctly and a valid format e.g. mp3, they will show up in the browser.
11:17:33cmugmidkay, hmm, ill check that out
11:17:46cmugbut can it separate podcasts from normal music somehow?
11:18:06midkaynot unless they're tagged differently..
11:18:09cmugok
11:18:18midkaye.g. Album = "Podcast" or something..
11:18:33midkayit lets you browse by artist, album, song .. so whatever they're tagged as, they'll show up as.
11:20:06cmugok
11:20:08cmugthanks
11:20:14cmugit could be just what im looking for
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11:20:21midkayhopefully :) np
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12:10:09GarfTopIs anyone here able to fetch https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/mp3dec.html
12:10:26GarfTopI can't find any way to get it without an account, and the account registration system appears to be broken
12:15:15GarfTopalternatively, memory usage data on MAD would also be handy
12:19:38ender`is this good enough: https://helixcommunity.org/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/datatype/mp3/codec/fixpt/
12:19:57GarfTopfetch the files one by one? :-P
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12:21:05ender`use some wget magic :)
12:22:04GarfTopwould have to be some complicated magic, since just clicking the file links doesn't work either, need to click correct link one level deeper
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12:35:56kbobanyone know of any issues that would cause rockbox bootloader to hang at 'loading firmware' on an iriver h340?
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12:38:29k2bobok it's me this time
12:38:30k2bobanyone know of any issues that would cause rockbox bootloader to hang at 'loading firmware' on an iriver h340?
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12:53:07linuxstbk2bob: Maybe low battery, corrupt filesystem. Is this the first time you tried Rockbox, or has it been working in the past and suddenly stopped?
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13:01:15k2boblinuxstb: it's the first time
13:01:31k2boband the battery is reasonably charged
13:01:48k2bobi can press record and load the original firmware fine
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13:03:17k2boblinuxstb: could it still be the filesystem?
13:05:28peturphew....
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13:10:13Genre9mp3petur:So..what are the changes in the backdrop behavior, now?
13:10:36peturit should always work now ;)
13:11:24Genre9mp3What happen when you load a theme that does not specify a bacdrop and there's an old one?
13:11:36peturif you loaded a backdrop by loading a theme while in the WPS screen and then came back, the backdrop was removed again
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13:12:20peturthere's a fall-back now: if no wps backdrop, use main backdrop, if none there use bg colors
13:13:15peturI tried as many combinations as possible, feel free to try to break it :P
13:13:34Genre9mp3and what happens to the menu backdrop?
13:14:03Genre9mp3I mean, while loading a "backdrop-free" theme
13:14:17peturif the theme doesn't specify one it keeps the previous one
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13:14:32Genre9mp3oh...
13:14:40peturbecause the backdrop may not come from the theme
13:14:49peturthe user can specify one himself
13:15:01Genre9mp3so it reverts your previous commit?
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13:15:38petureh? Did it clear the menu backdrop if the theme had none?
13:16:24Genre9mp3Well, I haven't tried...but I thought that it did that....sorry
13:16:37peturIt shouldn't imho
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13:16:39amiconnIt seems we need a general way to specify "built-in default" for settings which can take a file
13:16:44Genre9mp3But you are right about the backdrops...they shouldn't be cleared
13:17:08Genre9mp3if a theme doesn't specify one...
13:17:44peturwe should mark if the backdrop came from a theme or from the user
13:18:13Genre9mp3I think that it would be better if we could make themes able to clear backdrops
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13:18:31Genre9mp3something like... backdrop: no
13:18:47peturyeah, something like that
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13:20:08Genre9mp3People are complaining that sometimes they "loose" the text (eg. use a black backdrop and then loading a theme with black foreground colour)
13:20:57Genre9mp3and then the have to reset settings or something
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13:22:37german_snaili've installed rockbox on my ipod video but when i access the drive and do a cntrl+a, it says something like 350mb... and when i right click the drive from 'my computer' it says 15gb... why can't i see my mp3s?
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13:30:49german_snailoh ta
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13:38:35Murmur2kHi all
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13:40:44peturheya
13:41:15Murmur2kJust installed rockbox today - looks great - finally FLAC on my Ipod!
13:42:51german_snailso if i wanna put my mp3s into dirs like /music/artist/album/, must i do it manually? cause it's still in that itunes format F01 F02 etc...
13:43:49peturI did it manually when building up my collection, don't know if there are tools to do that - there probably are
13:44:05peturgoogle is your friend (TM)
13:45:07Murmur2kAnyone notice how the hard drive accesses a song frequently during song playback? Isn't it cached?
13:45:26peturFLAC files are big
13:45:33Murmur2kthis is with mp3
13:45:37Murmur2k4mb
13:45:55peturoh
13:46:03Murmur2kor is it my build or something?
13:46:40peturit should be stuffing the buffer full, but this isn't my area of expertise :)
13:47:18Murmur2kok thanks
13:47:41german_snailif i delete iPod_Control folder will rockbox still run?
13:47:45german_snailyeah google is my friend
13:47:55german_snailbut i don't mind asking noob questions
13:48:03Murmur2kAlso any idea how to enable my full 60mb cache on my 5g Ipod? Currently only using 30mb
13:48:39peturMurmur2k: still on the to do list
13:49:04peturprobably shortly after the feature freeze
13:50:01Murmur2kcool
13:50:24Murmur2kSorry got all the questions - but was amazed to see this development while searching google today1
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13:52:43Murmur2kI am guessing that MP4 Video is a long way off right ;)
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14:00:29Murmur2khas anybody got a recent rockbox ipod 5G build with album art patch etc
14:00:37Murmur2kto save me compiling pls
14:00:49peturthere are in the forum
14:00:58peturin the Album Art thread
14:01:07Murmur2kthats quite an old build isn't it?
14:01:13peturdunno
14:01:31Murmur2khow do I move around dirs in cygwin?
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14:05:13MikachuMurmur2k: lazy, new, album art. pick any two
14:06:29Murmur2k??
14:06:40Mikachuwhere lazy means not compiling yourself
14:06:54peturbeing rude, are we?
14:06:59Mikachuwas that rude?
14:07:02Mikachui didn't mean it to be
14:07:09Murmur2k:(
14:07:31Murmur2ksorry I am new
14:08:46Murmur2kI am trying to compile it now anyway
14:11:59Murmur2kcan't get the ../tools/configure part to work
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14:14:21Mikachuand what seems to be the error?
14:14:32peturinstalled everything? including binutils?
14:16:09Murmur2kI followed the instructions - installed cygwin
14:16:13Murmur2kthen installed from URL
14:16:20Murmur2kNo such file or directory
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14:23:57Learmurmur2k: sounds like you're in the wrong directory then. what does pwd say?
14:26:26Murmur2kits says "/HOME/WILL"
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14:27:13Learwhere did you do the cvs checkout (or unpacked the sources)?
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14:28:06Murmur2ki simply ran cygwin and let it download default set
14:28:12Murmur2kthen put in the the rockbox url
14:28:28Murmur2kI then downloaded the source
14:28:42Murmur2kunzipped it into C:\rockbox
14:29:06Learah, but then you need to CD to it, like "cd /cygdrive/c/rockbox"
14:29:19Murmur2kyep - i have cd'd into it
14:29:39Learthen pwd would've said something else...
14:29:49Murmur2kok sorry..
14:29:57Learanyway, when in the rockbox folder, create a new folder there (any name really, but something like "build" is good).
14:29:57Murmur2kpwd gives...
14:30:03Murmur2kok
14:30:10Learcd to that new directory, and you're ready to run configure.
14:30:41Murmur2kok i am in rockbox/build
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14:31:22Murmur2k../tools/configure still says not found
14:31:44Learokay, so what does "ls .." say?
14:32:00LearShould include stuff like apps, firmware, tools...
14:32:47Murmur2kbuild rockbox.ipod
14:32:55Murmur2k(2 items)
14:32:59Learhe, you didn't download the source archive then.
14:33:20Lear(or unzipped, if you did download it)
14:33:31Murmur2keh!?
14:33:33Murmur2kI am sure I did!
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14:33:59Murmur2kthese are source right? http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
14:34:15Murmur2koooooops
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14:34:24Learit can be found there, yes, but you must select the source archive...
14:34:38peturrotfl
14:34:45Murmur2khow embarassing!
14:35:14Murmur2ksorry for wasting your time!
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14:39:50Murmur2kthat works :) Cheers
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14:49:36peturwtf? .NET 2.0 kills windows installer 3.1? Good job Microsoft
14:51:36k2bobanyone know of any issues that would cause rockbox bootloader to hang at 'loading firmware' on an iriver h340? someone before said it could be a corrupt filesystem −− how do i check for this?
14:52:18peturattach usb while powered down, then use disk check tool on PC
14:52:35peturin between, power on h340 :)
14:53:03k2bobpeter: what disk check tool?
14:53:11peturwhat os?
14:53:17k2bobi'm in windows atm
14:53:38peturchkdsk /f (commandline) or rightclick the drive,...
14:53:50k2bobok thanks, i'll do that
14:54:04Murmur2kwhere is the patch program found?
14:54:17peturpart of cygwin setup
14:54:37Murmur2kok thanks
14:55:07k2bobok i did the chkdsk and it found no problems. any other ideas why it won't load?
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15:04:31amiconnpetur: Plugging in USB will automatically power on the H300
15:07:29peturright you are :)
15:07:40k2bobso no ideas?
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15:21:10amiconnHafta use ADODB.Stream instead of a filesystem object for reading the .lang file
15:31:35mirakamiconn: that's still impossible to have charging from USB in UMS mode ?
15:31:49amiconn?
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15:32:10mirakamiconn: with H300
15:32:29amiconnThe H300 does always charge from USB afaik
15:32:41mirakamiconn: ?
15:32:51mirakwith iriver firmware you can't do both
15:32:56mirakand I think you can't with rockbox
15:32:57mirakas well
15:33:22mirakamiconn: when the h300 is mounted, then usb doesn't charge
15:33:33mirak:-/
15:33:33amiconnFor me it does... though slowly
15:33:57mirakI think you misunderstand
15:33:58amiconnIf you use the disk, the drain from the disk is larger than the charging current
15:34:24mirakamiconn: but you don't see the bars charging like if you plug the alimentation cable
15:34:31amiconnIf you just have it connected but don't access it, then the disk should spin down, and the battery should slowly charge
15:35:00mirakI don't think linux power it off
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15:35:20mirakcharging from usb without accessing works. slowly but it works
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16:20:37powerrangersfan1hey is it suppose to take 11 hours to load 20GB of music on a ipod video
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16:21:08powerrangersfan1also how do i install these files? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g
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16:21:23thegeekjust copy them to the ipod;)
16:21:31thegeekin the wps directory
16:21:35thegeekI think?
16:22:19powerrangersfan1oh ok but it says i need a extra patch?
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16:23:43powerrangersfan1i wanted to install ipod blue5g
16:24:28powerrangersfan1no the itunes theme and it says i need the album art patch
16:26:44powerrangersfan1ok so i got the album art patch now how to install the theme and the patch?
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16:28:46bluey-patch the sources
16:28:58powerrangersfan1how
16:29:02powerrangersfan1i am new to rockbox
16:29:15bluey-http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
16:29:40powerrangersfan1kk
16:31:04powerrangersfan1ouch it looks all hard all i did in download the theme file and album art patch
16:32:21powerrangersfan1is there any mac gui to install the patch and themes>
16:32:42powerrangersfan1i wish if rockbox had a gui installer too!
16:33:34nudelyn2installing patches couldn't be automated... they're not plugins, they actually change the source code, so they can very easily break stuff when the main source code is updated...
16:33:58nudelyn2patches are really just experimental stuff... if you want an "easy" way to get their features you've gotta wait for them to make it into the official code, or find a friend who can patch for you
16:35:19powerrangersfan1oh so dont do them just stick with what i got? also on my ipod i cannot play doom it says error? also is there a way to make the apple os defult and rockbox not defult bootup
16:36:06Febspowerrangersfan1, perhaps you should take a few minutes to read through the FAQ page.
16:36:26powerrangersfan1i already did and nothing came up
16:39:29thegeekhmm
16:39:44powerrangersfan1so do you now
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16:40:21powerrangersfan1it took me 11 hours to put 3010 songs and video and stuff on a ipod video wow
16:40:30Febspowerrangersfan1, look at page 46: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060521.pdf
16:40:43thegeekthere are is a patched build of rockbox with albumart for ipod on the forum
16:40:43powerrangersfan1ok i will
16:40:54powerrangersfan1were
16:41:13thegeekhttp://kingshurst.digitalbrain.com/kingshurst/accounts/pupils/christopherba/web/Public/rb_albumArt_5g_CVS_170606_1741.zip
16:41:19thegeekhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3531.0
16:41:53powerrangersfan1downloading it how to install it?
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16:44:31powerrangersfan1ps i am running on os x
16:45:01thegeekhave you even installed rockbox?
16:45:52thegeekif you have, the files just has a patched version of rockbox, just overwrite the files you already have on the ipod
16:45:58thegeek*the file
16:46:26powerrangersfan1ok so i unzipped http://kingshurst.digitalbrain.com/kingshurst/accounts/pupils/christopherba/web/Public/rb_albumArt_5g_CVS_170606_1741.zip that file and i came out with a folder with one fil named .ipod what should i do?
16:47:18thegeekfirst of all
16:47:21thegeekanswer my question
16:47:26thegeekhave you installed rockbox?
16:48:10powerrangersfan1yes last night
16:48:34thegeekthat zip has rockbox.ipod and the rockbox folder
16:48:43thegeekyou should put both on your ipod
16:48:49thegeekjust as you did when you installed
16:48:54powerrangersfan1ok
16:49:17powerrangersfan1also about the doom game i need to install more files to get it working any patch for that
16:49:49thegeekI suggest you check out the wiki/forum
16:50:20thegeekpower rangers sucks btw;P
16:50:26thegeekit sucks a _lot_
16:50:49sharpehey people...
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16:51:17thegeekpowerrangersfan1 : http://youtube.com/watch?v=LoUBATHjWf0 ;)
16:51:57powerrangersfan1ok i will
16:52:33thegeek:)
16:53:07powerrangersfan1hey when i copied the two files onto my ipod it says i cannot copy .rockbox folder cause it is invisable
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16:54:11thegeekI don't know os x
16:54:17thegeekbut you could use the console I guess
16:54:28powerrangersfan1no
16:54:36powerrangersfan1how do i make it uninvisable
16:54:41thegeekyou can't
16:54:44thegeekor
16:54:51thegeekyou could rename it to just "rockbox"
16:55:02thegeekand then rename it back to ".rockbox" when you have copied it
16:55:07powerrangersfan1should i just delete the folder on ipod and move it again
16:57:19powerrangersfan1ok i renamed the rockbox folder and when it finishded copyed onto my ipod i will rename it back to what it should be i guss
16:57:26powerrangersfan1i have no clue
16:59:45powerrangersfan1hey help i cannot rename it, it says already a folder with that name? should i delete the orignal .rockbox folder on my ipod thaat i installed last night?
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17:01:30powerrangersfan1????????????????
17:01:56thegeekyou only need one question mark;)
17:02:30thegeekif you are prepared to reinstall, I would say go ahead and try it
17:02:31powerrangersfan1well i dont know what i should do? it will not let me copy the folder
17:02:59powerrangersfan1errrrrr.....
17:03:10powerrangersfan1it takes to long to reinstall
17:03:18thegeekwhy?
17:03:40powerrangersfan1i wish if there was a betterway cause no i got to do tagcache all over again
17:03:46thegeekoh
17:04:11thegeekI don't use tagcache so I can't say anything about that
17:04:28powerrangersfan1oh well i already did that so i guss i will be alot of problems
17:04:30thegeekand I'm not saying you have to do it again
17:04:40thegeekI just mean that if anything goes wrong;)
17:04:58XavierGrcan someone clarify why whould one declare a function static? (I know about variables but I don't get it for functions)
17:06:14thegeekin java you can then use that function without actually creating a new object of that class
17:06:40thegeekbut I don' think that is relevant for c
17:06:46XavierGryes I know about that, though I think the meaning in C is different
17:06:51SlasheriXavierGr: making a function static, makes it unlinkable from other compiled object files
17:06:52thegeekhttp://www.phim.unibe.ch/comp_doc/c_manual/C/SYNTAX/static.htm
17:07:00thegeek"static functions are functions that are only visable to other functions in the same file."
17:07:01thegeek;)
17:07:07powerrangersfan1ok with that zipped folder you gave me do i have album art? also what build is it?
17:07:15Slasheriso generally it's good to make all functions static, that are used only inside the current source file (not declared in header files)
17:07:41XavierGrah so if a static function decleration is found on an .h file, other modules that include that file will not recognise the function?
17:07:58XavierGrah okay
17:08:04XavierGrforget the previous line
17:08:10SlasheriXavierGr: yep, that function is only usable from the source file it has been originally declared
17:08:32Slasherisame goes for static global variable also
17:08:48XavierGrso what happens if we have a static function in a header file?
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17:09:39SlasheriXavierGr: probably compiler just generates an error
17:09:59Slasherianyway, it wont work if called from other objects
17:10:15XavierGrso the morale is: No static on header files :p
17:15:29ACK54Wanyone use foobar here
17:16:50FebsYes.
17:21:52Mikachustatic functions in header files work fine, in fact i think you should _only_ have static functions. declarations of functions that are in .c files should not be static of course
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17:22:19Mikachui only read 3 lines or so of what you wrote so ignore me if you already knew that :)
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17:28:34sharpei really hope the cpu emulator works...
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17:44:24sharpehahah
17:45:52sharpeyay... space invaders emulator almost working... decently :)
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18:09:59Hansmaulwurfwill you release 3.0 tomorrow?
18:10:17Hansmaulwurfor is it postponed one week?
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18:12:48FebsI haven't seen any recent discussion, so I think that decision has yet to be made.
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18:19:20powerrangersfan1hey i have a ipod video how do i make the text size of the display bigger?
18:19:54sharpechange the font
18:20:19powerrangersfan1i did
18:20:41powerrangersfan1also i does not play mp3?
18:20:50sharpe?
18:20:51Hansmaulwurflol
18:20:56Hansmaulwurfit does play MP3
18:21:02Hansmaulwurfor hast it DRM?
18:21:14powerrangersfan1i could not get any mp3 file to work
18:21:36Hansmaulwurfwhat bitrate?
18:21:42powerrangersfan1128
18:21:58Hansmaulwurfdid you buy the files?
18:22:09powerrangersfan1no
18:23:05powerrangersfan1nevermind it was a acc file i think
18:23:05Hansmaulwurfwhat happens exactly when you choose a mp3 file?
18:23:31Hansmaulwurf(powerrangersfan1) i could not get any mp3 file to work
18:23:36Hansmaulwurfnow what?
18:24:23powerrangersfan1so what font would make it bigger?
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18:26:04Hansmaulwurfhttp://www.rockbox.org/fonts/
18:26:08Hansmaulwurf....
18:29:08Aghasterhum
18:29:16Aghasteri let my ipod opened all night
18:29:23Aghasterand now it shows the version screen
18:29:27Aghasterhow can i get out of it?
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18:30:32Aghasternvm, i simply rebooted it
18:31:24Aghasteri got time to translate rockbox now :P
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18:47:45oranje17hey
18:48:01oranje17i have a question, how can i listen to lower FM frequencies on the iriver h120?
18:48:22oranje17it somehow stops at 87.5MHz
18:48:45Mikachuall radios do that that i've ever seen
18:48:56oranje17in japan there are lower radio frequencies
18:49:51oranje17and the japanese iriver firmware supports it
18:50:11linuxstboranje17: There's a patch on the patch tracker to enable that: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2876
18:50:34oranje17thanks a lot :)
18:50:52oranje17how do i use the patch though?
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18:51:10Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
18:51:14linuxstbYou have to use that patch to modify the Rockbox source code, and then compile Rockbox yourself.
18:51:22oranje17oh :S
18:52:20sharpewell, the space invaders emulator somewhat works :)
18:52:29linuxstb\o/
18:52:53linuxstbHave you emulated the screen yet?
18:52:56sharpeaye
18:53:03*linuxstb wants screenshots
18:53:06bluey-konischiwa
18:53:11bluey-:)
18:53:14sharpe:)
18:53:20sharpeokay, i'll take one in a second
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18:53:38sharpemy ipod is running like, really hot...
18:53:38Mikachubluey-: not even close :P
18:53:48bluey-i thought so lol
18:58:24sharpesharpe.bastardoperatorfromhell.org/images/spaceinvaders.png">http://sharpe.bastardoperatorfromhell.org/images/spaceinvaders.png this was taken without stopping drawing first, which is why some things aren't drawn yet/or are torn.
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19:00:45sharpenow i have to go through the source and make sure it's correct...
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19:07:47sharpeany thoughts?
19:08:14linuxstbIs that naturally how the space invaders screen is oriented?
19:08:47sharpenope
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19:09:16sharpebut naturally, it's rotated clockwise 90 degrees
19:09:28sharpeor counter clockwise...
19:09:30sharpesomething.
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19:13:32webguest77sharpe: why did you oriented the screen that way? is it intended?
19:13:54sharpewebguest77: yes
19:14:03linuxstbAre you left-handed?
19:14:07webguest77better imho to have it with the normal orientation, no?
19:15:01linuxstbwebguest77: The Space Invaders screen is too big to orientate it normally. It has to either be rotated or shrunk. Given that choice, I would prefer it rotated.
19:15:03sharpethe cabinents were rotated 90 degrees to have it actually as it should be, if i were to have it vertically, it wouldn't fit the screen.
19:15:12webguest77ok
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19:16:05webguest77better this way than nothing I guess :)
19:16:30sharpeit's really the same concept as pacbox's screen...
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19:16:32linuxstbsharpe: Are you going to try and use the clickwheel for movement, or just the left/right buttons?
19:16:44sharpeeh, i think just left and right
19:16:50Mikachuup/down if it's rotated...
19:17:39webguest77sharpe: have you planed tp provide one patch once you polish the things a bit?
19:17:51*webguest77 wants to tset it on his box :)
19:18:03webguest77*test
19:18:10sharpei will eventually, after i get things fixed
19:18:21webguest77goodish
19:18:29sharpesuch as, why it stops after the first enemy is hit during the demo
19:19:08webguest77is your c64 emulator project aborted or something? or is your patch somwhere?
19:19:21sharpeit's just off to the side for the moment
19:19:29webguest77OK
19:20:00webguest77maybe if you do a patch such other devs will want to improve the things, no?
19:20:12sharpeprobably
19:20:20sharpejust haven't gotten around to it :)
19:20:32webguest77haha :]
19:21:11webguest77have you something you already finished yet? :-P
19:21:19webguest77for rockbox, that is
19:21:25sharpenot really
19:21:39webguest77just kinding ;-)
19:21:41sharpethere was the plugin for the packaged wpses, but that kinda died off
19:22:07webguest77those 2 other projects spunds more commitable imho
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19:22:13webguest77*sounds
19:22:24sharpewhat two other projects?
19:22:47webguest77c64 and space invaders I meant
19:22:50sharpeyeah
19:23:31webguest77hopefully you will not lost the motivation for ;)
19:23:42sharpeheh
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19:24:56*webguest77 sends some bounties to sharpe via IRC
19:25:06webguest77:-)
19:25:45sharpewell... i can claim i successfully ported an emulator to rockbox in under 16 hours. even if parts of it doesn't work.
19:26:01webguest77haha XD
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19:27:07*webguest77 give to sharpe another 16 hours for the c64 emulator working ;)
19:27:41sharpeheh, in like twenty hours i have to go to school.
19:27:51webguest77oops :)
19:28:12webguest77what do you studing, I mean which grade...?
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19:28:38sharpeeh, in tenth grade. weird isn't it?
19:29:13webguest77hehe, bad luck ;)
19:29:53webguest77you are a young "rocker" then
19:30:08sharpeyes, yes i am.
19:30:16webguest77goodie
19:30:42sharpewell, at least i'll be able tp keep rockbox going for a number of years :)
19:30:48webguest77I guess you have good skills for a battle with c64 emulator porting
19:30:58webguest77hehe :)
19:31:55sharpeheh... i've not been taught anything dealing with computer software, nor hardware for that matter... discovered everything myself...
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19:33:02webguest77sharpe: pure autodidact? I'm impressed, really
19:33:31sharpeheh, thanks
19:33:34webguest77what are you studiying then? somethong not related to computer sciences
19:33:56sharpethere's practically nothing offered related to computers.
19:34:35webguest77good, good
19:36:31sharpehmm...
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19:37:06sharpei keep having deja vu...
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19:44:25sharpetime to go through all ~245 instructions and make sure they're correct!
19:44:52sharpeor 243
19:47:23webguest77time for me to go
19:47:31webguest77c you later
19:47:34sharpelater
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19:48:28sharpeooh, i found a part where it's not correct...
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20:16:58sharpewell, fixed one of the problems of it freezing... now on to the next...
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20:21:40sharpeit shouldn't ignore hidden files...
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20:44:50zehmm the h1x0 screens aren't even grayscale?
20:45:13preglowyes?
20:45:52markunze: 2-bit
20:46:14zemarkun: 4 shades?
20:46:24preglowit's still grayscale
20:47:00zewas just guessing from pics on google images, most look 1bit
20:47:09zeobvious half-toning and such
20:51:31zeso would i be unjustified in feeling that an h1x0 would be a downgrade from a karma, except for rockbox (which is a considerable exception) recording and fm?
20:51:58Hansmaulwurfze: the karma doesnt have a opical in/out
20:52:04Hansmaulwurfif i remember right
20:52:18zei don't have anything optical anyway
20:52:30zedoes the h1x0 have a dock with rca outs?
20:52:31zeheh
20:52:31Hansmaulwurfdoes the karma have a remote with LCD?
20:53:00zei never saw the point of a remote on something thats on your person
20:53:10zewhere's the remote go? hanging out catching on stuff? or in your pocket next to what its controlling?
20:53:29Hansmaulwurfi find it extremly usefull
20:53:32BHSPitMonkeyheh
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20:54:14Hansmaulwurfi listening with rockbox 2 hous per day on the train, and with the remote i dont need the main unit out of my bag
20:54:16zei'm not likely to get the remote unless it comes with it anyway
20:54:44zelooks like the 40's tend to, but the 20's have it seperate
20:55:04Hansmaulwurfboth have it
20:55:07Hansmaulwurfnormally
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21:06:38linuxstbze: You don't need a dock to access any of the features of the h1x0s - it's all built in.
21:07:18dpassen1And the HDD is reliable
21:07:52Hansmaulwurfand another plus:
21:07:54Hansmaulwurfits not apple
21:07:57Hansmaulwurf;), sorry
21:08:38sharpegah...
21:08:49sharpecan't figure it out...
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21:13:17Aghasterhow many strings are there to translate in the main english.lang file?
21:13:26Aghasterjust to give me an idea of the amount of work to do
21:14:30Aghasteri want to translate rockbox to esperanto
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21:27:13linuxstbAghaster: There are 607 string IDs...
21:27:35Mikachuare all the strings up to date, re the release?
21:28:19Aghasterlinuxstb: i found out the www.rockbox.org/lang pages, but it doesnt really explain how to do it
21:28:30BHSPitMonkeyfreeze going to the end of the month?
21:28:32Aghasteris there any other page where they give out more info about it?
21:28:35linuxstbSorry, I can't help. I've never translated anything.
21:28:43Aghasterk
21:28:57linuxstbProbably in the wiki somewhere though - try searching for "langv2"
21:29:14linuxstbBHSPitMonkey: No-one has suggested otherwise.
21:29:24BHSPitMonkeyk
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21:31:02Aghasterhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles
21:31:04Aghasterfound out
21:31:44dpassen1Just won a H140 :-)
21:32:16Aghastercool
21:32:22Aghasterhow did you win it?
21:32:25dpassen1eBay
21:32:34Aghasterwhat price :P?
21:32:40dpassen1Will be a nice replacement for my slowly running out of space 120
21:32:47dpassen1172.50 + 18
21:32:49dpassen1USD
21:33:00Aghasterthats cool for you
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21:33:07Mikachuthat's otherwise known as buying
21:33:19dpassen1Sure
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21:33:27Aghasterbut also known as winning an auction
21:33:52Mikachuyes, but he said he won an h140, not an auction, but i'll just shut up now :)
21:34:09Aghasterhehe
21:34:22dpassen1Point remains, I'm happy
21:34:38Aghasterthats what matters
21:35:22dpassen1I suppose my 120 is rather obsolete
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21:38:08zeany cons to an h320 as opposed to an h120?
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21:39:03zeis it worth the extra $50 or whatever? is the lack of colors on the screen a noticable degredation for video? is it actually worth a shit for watching video?
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21:40:29dpassen1Its definitely not a Music and Video player, more of a music player with limited video capabilities
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21:41:11Aghasterdoes rockbox support video?
21:41:17Aghasteron 4G color ipod
21:42:21zedpassen1: hmm just saw on wikipedia 10fps xvid... thats pretty sad
21:42:21dpassen1No
21:42:36dpassen1ze: Yeah, its clearly not a video player
21:43:14dpassen1224x180 is hardly high resolution, also.
21:43:41zeso its basically an mp3 player with a color screen
21:43:46dpassen1Yes
21:44:29zehmm am i missing something about the output power on these? karma specs say 55mW per channel at 16 oms, these irivers say 20mW per channel at 16 oms
21:44:39zeis it really less than half the output power of the karma?
21:45:58dpassen1While I've never handled a Karma, I can't say I've had problems using my 120 with several headphones, but I've never used especially high impedance phones.
21:46:21zelets see mine are 64oms
21:47:06zeon the karma a level of 26 out of 30 (iirc) is the highest i can stand with these and only ever use in noisy environments like on the freeway
21:47:38zeoften times in quiet environments more than 24'll hurt my ears a little
21:48:54zesigh
21:49:11zewhy can't there be a clear-cut upgrade from the karma?
21:49:23dpassen1Because the Chroma was never released
21:49:26zeas long as its been since it came out, you'd think there'd be something clearly better on the market
21:50:11dpassen1It's more subjective than that.
21:50:36zeit also doesn't help that none of the local stores that provide decent service plans have any h1x0's or such
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21:54:23zelike if bestbuy had it, and we got a 3 year service plan, it'd be pretty likely that it'd need replacement by the time something better was out to replace it with
21:54:52zelike maybe something made out of the sigmatel kit based on what was to be the chroma
21:57:17dpassen1I have a bad feeling most of the companies using the Sigmatel kit will cripple it
21:57:34zeprobably
21:57:41zebut we can always hope there'll be one that doesn't
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21:58:20zeor maybe one that does ok hardware wise even if the firmware sucks but neglects something that gets a foot in the door for opensource firmware replacement
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21:58:41zeor sometihng like that
21:59:55dpassen1But then we're back at the starting point, any Rockboxed DAP has the general feature set (excuse me if I'm wrong) of the Karma/Chroma/Sigmatel SMTP3600
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22:00:54zeafaik karma is superior, hardware-wise, to any of the rockboxed players
22:01:04zethe only thing i can find that'd be clearly better than a karma is a rockboxed karma
22:01:09zeimo
22:01:11dpassen1How so?
22:02:33preglowhuzzas, another pdf viewer request
22:02:42sharpeyay!
22:03:17zehow is it superior? well some of this may be subjective, but i like its size/shape, the scroll wheel, the audio quality (output power, SNR), the 64-shade grayscale screen (well the h3x0's have color of course, but seem to lack in the other areas), the dock with rca outs, ethernet connectivity
22:04:48zethe ethernet's kindof an odd one... with the rio firmware it only serves to make up for its lack of mass-storage compliance for us linux folk, so in that sense its not that great of a feature that has anything over something rockboxed
22:05:06dpassen1Interesting
22:05:09zebut then if it were rockboxed, it'd allow streaming music, web-based player control, and neat stuff like that
22:06:27zethen the lack of MSC is also made up for more recently by a linux driver for the usb interface that mimicks MSC
22:06:40Mikachupreglow: close it instead of complaining about it on irc :P
22:07:10preglowdone it already
22:07:26zethe main barrier to it getting rockboxed seems to be public-key encrypted firmware upgrades too, since a lot of its main hardware is the same as various ipods
22:07:43zebut oh well, looks like i'll have to get over that vague possibility
22:08:00dpassen1ze: I think it shows a lot that I've chosen a 140 to replace my 120, even though Rockbox is being ported to iPods and the iAudio X5
22:08:55preglowwe all know the h1x0 is the best player anyway
22:08:59dpassen1For me, a Rockboxed H1x0 is the best player on the market
22:09:16dpassen1No spurious color screen, just a brilliant music player.
22:09:25zeheh
22:10:30zeso why aren't the h1x0's available anywhere with an in-store service plan? :/
22:10:50dpassen1Its a rather old player
22:11:02zei see plenty of new ones on ebay
22:11:04zebut thats like, it
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22:12:45webguest18+1 for the h140 like the best music player never made
22:12:52linuxstbiriver stopped making them about 18 months ago (or more)
22:12:54dpassen1iSkins have certainly come down in price for the H1x0, haha
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22:13:24zewhats with this H10whatever stuff
22:13:38zesome iriver thing with a color screen and looks like a touchpad-scroller
22:13:58zeits the only thing i can find at one of the chain stores
22:14:23dpassen1Crippled by iriver firmware, I believe
22:14:27zethe H10TRANCERED specifically
22:14:40zedpassen1: not rockboxed?
22:14:46dpassen1Not the H10
22:14:56dpassen1No port exists
22:15:08zei hate them touchpad things too
22:15:35dpassen1Its hardly a direct descendant of the H1x0 and H3x0 series.
22:16:20linuxstbLooking at the hardware specs, it's basically an ipod mini...
22:16:29XavierGrrio sucks as long it isn't UMS. Though I have to say that it has some pretty neat features. But as I said: "If it ain't UMS it sucks!"
22:19:20XavierGrand the hitachi drives were a serious flaw for rio karma
22:19:40zemine never had a problem until it hit concrete from 4 or 5 feet
22:19:44XavierGrmany reported untis were unusable due to hard disk failure
22:19:51XavierGrouch!
22:20:19zei had 2 archos's and a nomad zen before i got the karma, and it outlasted all 3 put together
22:21:08XavierGrnomad isn't UMS too.
22:21:26zeyeah i don't want another creative
22:21:34XavierGrI nearly fool my self and buy one. When I learnt it wasn't UMS I bought my beloved H100
22:22:00zewhats up with these color mp3 players having 18bit color
22:22:11XavierGrbut yeah rio was cool except the UMS and hitachi drives
22:23:09zeany of the rockboxed contenders have a dock?
22:23:40XavierGrH300
22:23:44linuxstbx5, ipods...
22:24:20XavierGrI have a dock for my H100 too. (self made though)
22:24:41zeXavierGr: got a page on it?
22:24:56XavierGrpage?
22:25:00XavierGrah
22:25:01XavierGrwait
22:25:39XavierGrhttp://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=4707
22:25:53XavierGrcrappy pics though, sorry I don't have a digital camera.
22:28:57zehmm no audio output on the h300 dock eh
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22:29:33XavierGrnope, but the H300 has line out on the top
22:29:46XavierGrso you can couple a cable there.
22:30:09zewell i got rca-outs on my karma dock going to speakers in my room
22:30:24zei don't have to mess with any cables, i just drop it in the dock and its charging and hooked to my speakers
22:30:30XavierGrnice
22:30:32zeand just grab it out and it go wwith it
22:30:38BHSPitLappyI want an iPod HiFi...
22:30:48BHSPitLappythey sound pretty amazing
22:31:26AghasterHiFi?
22:32:12BHSPitLappyhttp://www.apple.com/ipodhifi/
22:32:31Aghasterk
22:32:32BHSPitLappythe name is misleading
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22:35:09zei wouldn't be opposed to building my own dock, but if nothing has any kind of audio output ports on the bottom of the unit then the kinda thing i do with my karma wouldn't be possible anyway
22:36:07zei'll probably just resurrect my karma or get a cheap used one and hope it lasts for another couple years untill i find something better to spend >$100 on
22:37:10zethanks for all the help and info everybody
22:38:09zemaybe if i get a used karma i can sacrifice the mainboard of the old one if there's somebody with a way to read the uBGA flash rom
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22:39:30XavierGrze I think a rockboxed unit could do the job for you.
22:39:41XavierGrRockbox has limitless capabilities
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22:40:52sharpewoo...
22:41:11zeXavierGr: yes but for the cost of getting an h1x0 we'd want to get a replacement plan
22:41:36zeespecially since i still feel like it'd be a downgrade in every way but firmware
22:42:30linuxstbBHSPitLappy: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/the-ipod-hifi-306/index.htm
22:43:21BHSPitLappylinuxstb: I'll take personal experience over online reviews
22:43:54XavierGrze: optical in/out!!
22:44:11XavierGrze: perfect lossless recordings
22:44:20preglowze: what unit you got?
22:44:27XavierGrrio karma AFAIK
22:44:29zepreglow: karma
22:44:34preglowwouldn't call that a downgrade, then
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22:44:50zeXavierGr: i don't have anything with opitcal i/o except a dvd player
22:45:00dpassen1Us H1x0 owners are rather zealous at times
22:45:09YouCeyEhi.. is there going to be rockbox for h10?
22:45:11XavierGrze:even then reocrding with analog is very nice in H100
22:45:18YouCeyEiriver h10
22:45:32preglowYouCeyE: if someone comes and starts it
22:46:20zeXavierGr: i never even used recording on my archos fm rec when i had it, except for guitar jams... i certainly wouldn't use it at home since i have a delta1010lt sound card to do 24bit/96khz with
22:47:16zei'd use a dock with audio outs way more than recording heh
22:47:56dpassen1Funny, I had an older flash player that used a dock and I despised it
22:48:56zewell the karma doesn't make you use the dock, but its well done enough that you want to
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22:49:49zethe only thing that the dock has thats not built into the the unit itself is the rca plugs and ethernet port
22:50:00zewhich i guess means it does make you use the dock for ethernet transfers
22:50:14zebut not for usb or for charging
22:51:48goffayeah.. karma dock was nice
22:52:36preglow_ethernet_ ?
22:52:41preglowwhat the hell's that for?
22:52:55goffayou can transfer files via ethernet
22:53:00goffatakes forever
22:53:01preglowwhat's wrong with usb?
22:53:04goffabut its pretty cool
22:53:11Mikachuwhat protocol does it use? ftp?
22:53:14zepreglow: by way of making up for the lack of UMS, there's a java app that'll transfer via ethernet
22:53:24preglowoh god, java
22:53:30zeno, thats the part that sucks, none of the transfer methods are open
22:53:37goffayeah.. bloated and buggy as hell
22:53:39sharpepreglow: usb has an odd number of letters. ethernet doesn't. that's why.
22:53:41zei have to say its the single fastest and most stable java app i ever used
22:53:42zeheh
22:53:45sharpe:D
22:53:48goffathe open source app crashed all the time
22:54:06goffawas hell on linux
22:54:22zegoffa: i just use rmmlite and its rarely given me so much as minor problems
22:54:33goffawould with me
22:54:44goffai'd transfer about 5 flacs then it would mysteriously lose connection
22:54:54zethere's a linux usb driver out now too
22:55:01goffacool
22:55:05goffawasn't when i used it
22:55:29zeyeah its pretty recent, and i think write support is still at your own risk but reportedly usable
22:55:57zei never got around to upgrading my kernel to the version required to try the versions of the driver since they added write support at all
22:56:00zeheh
22:56:09zehmm
22:56:40zethis place seling the karma player-only for $100 buy-it-now has accepted a $60 offer on it previously
22:57:20ze"Iem as described, seems to be working good, would buy from again." feedback on the sale
22:58:29linuxstbDoes the karma have a 2.5" hard disk?
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22:59:02goffai don't remember
22:59:06goffabut i think it did
22:59:33goffai think rockbox would be pretty sweet on a karma
22:59:41goffaof course i'd have to get mine fixed
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23:00:33dpassen1linuxstb: No, it could not have been 2.5
23:00:35linuxstbAh no, I've just googled, and they seem to be 1.8" drives.
23:00:48XavierGryes hitachi 1.8
23:00:48goffaok
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23:01:12zeyeah
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23:01:16ze7mm thickness ones
23:01:20zewith ata interfaces
23:01:25zeafaik anything ata and 7mm would fit
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23:01:50zepeople have dremmeled out their cases to make 9.5mm drives fit, but people complain that the case is a lot flimsier afterwards
23:02:21zei'm not certain if anybody's tried any non-hitachi's
23:02:37zepeople seem to mainly play it safe by going with those, even if ones from other vendors may work
23:03:10zegoffa: whats broken on yours?
23:03:57goffawheel
23:04:03zeoh
23:04:13zewell its still usable without that, just not as nice
23:04:17goffafell about 1 ft and landed on the corner
23:04:21goffayeah it is useable
23:04:25goffabut
23:04:31goffasucks compared to my other players
23:04:34zeheh
23:04:48zeyeah lack of wheel on the karma would detract a lot from it
23:05:00zeyou can get a replacement mainboard for $28 on ebay
23:05:13goffayeah
23:05:23sharpeokay, here's the latest screenshot... sharpe.bastardoperatorfromhell.org/images/invaders.png">http://sharpe.bastardoperatorfromhell.org/images/invaders.png
23:05:23goffai should ebay the thing with broken wheel
23:05:32sharpenot that anyone asked for it, but still.
23:06:04goffacool.. you porting that sharpe?
23:06:09sharpeyep.
23:06:14goffasweet
23:06:17goffaused to love that game
23:06:57sharpethat's just a screenshot of it playing the demo, right before it freezes due to some error probably with the cpu emulation...
23:07:16goffayeah
23:07:30goffastill nice to see someone working on that
23:07:43sharpejust started working on it yesterday too...
23:08:07goffaan atari emulator would be good
23:08:14sharpe:)
23:08:23Mikachui would be happy even for a .ym player
23:08:29goffaym?
23:08:35Mikachuatari music captures
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23:08:40goffaha
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23:11:09sharpei just need to figure out what's wrong...
23:13:10zeif i can get this replacement karma for $65, i think its my best bet
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23:13:49zethats cheap enough to where i can take it for something to at least hold me over on a player from an as-yet-unreleased generation in a year or 2
23:14:00goffayeah
23:14:10goffaeither that or get something thats out now for dirt cheap
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23:14:17zeyeah
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23:14:59sharpethis will be the third time i go through the cpu code... :'(
23:15:53zethis way i'll also have a spare battery and mainboard
23:16:04goffayeah
23:16:21zeeven though this mainboard isn't 100%, the only thing wrong with it is the hold switch, so
23:16:24zeheh
23:16:29goffayeah
23:16:39goffai guess hold switch isn't working on mine
23:16:43goffabut then... like you say
23:17:01zethe lack of a hold switch is an annoyance, but not a big deal
23:17:28zeand if it were ever to get rockboxed, it'd be easy to work around with a soft hold key combo
23:17:42goffayeah
23:17:49zewhich i always thought kinda made more sense than a dedicated hardware switch anyway
23:18:04Mikachuhardware switch is easier in pocket
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23:18:20Mikachuand for protecting the on button
23:18:39zeeasier depends on the key combo and button layout
23:18:44zeon button depends on how the on button's wired
23:18:55zei suppose holding it off is hard for firmware to do though
23:18:59zeheh
23:19:20Mikachuat least on ipods you need to turn hold off first
23:19:31Mikachuunless you carry around a universal plug, that also boots it :)
23:20:18zehmm
23:21:10Mikachuheh, it doesn't boot if the plug isn't connected to power
23:21:25zeif there's any rw storage area for config on the karma outside of the HD
23:21:34zethen a soft hold would work just as well as the switch
23:21:40zefor the on button
23:21:50zecause on the karma, if the hold's on, and you hit the on button
23:22:00zethe screen comes up and shows a lock graphic
23:22:05zefor a few seconds and then shuts off again
23:22:12Mikachuthat's a bit silly
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23:22:21zeit doesn't spin up the HD or even turn on the backlight i don't think
23:23:33ze hmm well the backlight blinks on for a split second whenever you press the on button, even when locked
23:23:47zebut yeah since firmware is in flash rom
23:24:00zewell hmm
23:24:12zei guess it'd still be weird with a soft hold
23:24:52zethere'd have to be some way to turn on the hold while the player's in some sort of on state and also instruct it to shut off with the hold engaged
23:25:28zeand then when you actually wanted to turn it on you'd have to have some combo to override the hold status or turn it on to where it did that lock graphic sorta thing and hit the hold combo to turn it off and make it boot
23:26:05zei suppose a special combo that means "turn on hold and shut off" and then another combo that means "turn on and turn off hold" would work ok
23:26:17zei'm sure this is all moot :p
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