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#rockbox log for 2006-05-24

00:00:57amiconnXavierGr_: You moved the scroll_speed member down within struct global_settings. When moving it back up, the delay vanishes...
00:01:15Romanoshere's my settings for crossfade: enable crossfade-skip track , fadein duration-3secs , fadeout duration-3secs .. i'm i doing something wrong?
00:01:38amiconnNow someone please explain why *that* happens !! ?? ?:-/
00:02:22 Quit ender` (" Hardware, n The part of the computer that you can kick.")
00:03:22Romanosanyone>
00:03:23Romanos?
00:04:01markunRomanos: sorry, never used corssfade
00:04:20midkay_Romanos, what is the problem?
00:04:36Romanosit just don't do crossfade anymore..
00:04:50PaulJam_Romanos: if you skip to the next track and it is not yet in the buffer, then no crossfade happens.
00:04:56midkay_works for me..
00:04:57midkay_gotta run.
00:05:06midkay_PaulJam_, um, yes it does, for me..
00:05:27Romanosi'm sure is got to do with the buffer,,
00:05:34*midkay_ shrugs
00:05:37Romanosis there any way to increase the buffer?
00:05:43midkay_might be a bug, my fadeout delay is like 8 seconds though.
00:05:50midkay_er, no, buffer is buffer..
00:05:52midkay_anyways. bb.
00:05:53 Quit midkay_ ("Leaving")
00:05:56Mikachusimple way to test that is skip to the previous track instead of next...
00:06:36Romanosthe funny thing is , that i used it that way for months.. and now for some peculiar reason it stop doing it...
00:06:46Romanoswtf?
00:12:12Romanosi'm missing the whole picture here.. a
00:12:16linuxstbRomanos: When did you last upgrade Rockbox?
00:12:31Romanosjust..
00:12:39linuxstbI mean before now.
00:12:39 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer")
00:13:33Romanosit was one of the first builds for nano i reckon.. about march
00:13:59Romanosand it worked flawlessly!!!
00:14:34PaulJam_Romanos: Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, do you want it to crossfade on every trackchange or only if you skip manually?
00:15:09Romanoswhat do u mean?
00:15:30Romanosskip manually , is when i'm just simply want to change track right?
00:15:53Romanosi'm pressing the damn button but there is no smooth transition anymore
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00:16:49amiconngaaaaaaaaaaa
00:17:03Romanos?
00:17:30Romanosdid i blew it?
00:17:46*amiconn slaps petur
00:18:58Romanosok forget about it
00:19:01Romanosi'm a jerk
00:19:33*amiconn has no idea about crossfade because he never uses it
00:20:42PaulJam_for me crossfade is the main reason i use Rockbox.
00:21:06Romanosyeah , same here... well not exactly.. main reason is flac :P
00:21:13sharpei don't use crossfade...
00:21:49Romanosbtw , just had to set the fade out mode in mix mode
00:22:47Romanosfunny thing that always in the end we find the solutions to our problems by our owns :P
00:25:24Romanosthis is ridiculous.. fu rockbox
00:26:37Romanosdunno why, but autochange directory is not working..
00:26:46Romanosit makes the whole nano crash
00:26:47Mikachumaybe you disabled that setting too
00:27:30Romanoswhen i'm enabling it, causes nano to crash and crossfade won't work...
00:27:41Romanossomething's wrong with the nano buffer maybe?
00:28:58Romanosmikachu se gamw apo ton kwlo mwri gamiola
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00:30:43Mikachusee that is why i don't like him
00:30:52tom__Erm, excuse me. I've just installed RockBox on my iRiver H340 and it's made it read only?
00:31:07tom__And I'm just getting the error "no .rockbox directory" "installation incomplete"
00:33:15Bagderso, did you install it correctly?
00:33:50Drumr|Awaywe've been trying to help in misticriver's chat
00:33:56Drumr|Awaywe dont know what happened
00:34:18tom__I patched the hex file, put it into root, ran the firmware upgrade
00:35:04 Quit ACK54W ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )")
00:35:18tom__I put the .iriver file into root and it tried to run that
00:35:24tom__failed and put me to a directory listing
00:35:44Bagder"the .iriver file" ?
00:35:52Bagderah
00:35:59Bagderso you didn't install it correctly
00:36:13Bagderunzip a rockbox zip file to the root of your player
00:36:31tom__How do I do that if the hard drive is read only for some reason?
00:36:46Bagderyou on linux?
00:36:48tom__yes
00:37:05Bagderit makes that when it detects serious enough file system errors
00:37:10Bagdercheck the logs
00:37:28BagderI'd suggest a dosfsck or even a new mkfs
00:38:32tom__would would I dosfsck it?
00:39:28sharpehmm...
00:39:49sharpeit makes sense. dos file system check... gee... i wonder...
00:40:00Bagder"dosfsck - check and repair MS-DOS file systems"
00:40:15Bagderyour problem is not because of rockbox
00:40:27Bagderbut because of a broken fat fs
00:40:33tom__well, what would the device be?
00:40:38tom__/dev/.. ?
00:40:46Bagder /dev/sda1 style
00:40:51Bagderthe same you mounted
00:41:00tom__heh, it mounts it automatically :)
00:41:09Bagderwell, use df to see then
00:41:13Bagderor mount
00:41:38tom__[tom@localhost dev]$ /sbin/dosfsck /dev/sdc1
00:41:38tom__dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
00:41:38tom__open /dev/sdc1:Permission denied
00:42:26Bagderbut as I said, I recommend doing a whole fresh new fs anyway
00:42:37Bagdersince dosfsck can't repair everything
00:42:50Bagderbeen there, done that
00:42:52tom__right, how would I do that?
00:42:59tom__any tutorials?
00:43:17Mikachu1) backup files you want to keep
00:43:20Mikachu2) su root
00:43:24tom__Don't need to keep anything
00:43:30Mikachu3) mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdc1
00:43:53tom__Ok, done
00:44:04Bagdernow, remount and unzip again
00:44:40Mikachuoh oops, 2.5) should probably have been unmount, but it was readonly so no matter
00:44:49tom__I unmounted it
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00:45:01Mikachuhooray, a sentient one
00:45:01Mikachu:)
00:45:14tom__Ok, comes up with a Disc directory
00:45:17tom__completly blank
00:45:36Bagderyes, you have nothing on the disk
00:46:01Bagderexcept for rockbox of course
00:46:39earHertzwhere's the splash code?
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00:47:26earHertznevermind
00:48:04tom__Think it's worked now :)
00:48:36tom__How do I rename it back to a H300 now, instead of "Disk" :)
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00:48:57Mikachuheh, i don't know of a linux program that lets you change the label
00:49:07Mikachumkdosfs lets you specify it, if you want to reformat
00:49:19Mikachuor you could just plug it in a windows computer
00:49:41Bagderthere's a lable? ;-]
00:49:56Mikachubut at the moment, rockbox eats disk labels anyway :)
00:49:59Moosheh Bagder, welcome back :-)
00:50:06tom__'eats' ?
00:50:14Mikachuthey disappear sometimes
00:50:21Mikachua theory is it's related to deleting directories in /
00:50:27Mikachuthat's the last i heard
00:50:34tom__Ah
00:50:53Bagderthanks Moos
00:51:02tom__Rockbox is ugly! Just a directory listing.
00:51:26tom__But anyway, thanks a lot Mikachu and Bagder, scared the life out of me when it all went read only.
00:51:37MoosBagder: did you recharge your batteries for the release rush? :-P
00:51:47Mikachutom__: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300
00:51:56BagderMoos: noo I was hiding from it all ;-)
00:52:04Mooshaha :D
00:52:16AghasterIs anybody working on adding video support on the ipod?
00:52:34Mikachunot that i know of
00:52:47Aghaster:/ that would such a nice feature
00:52:50Aghasterbe*
00:53:01amiconnMeh. Why are people choosing highly confusing variable names??
00:53:03Aghasterand would blow ipodlinux people away.
00:53:24Mikachurockbox is primarily an audio player
00:53:25AghasterAs a lot of people who try to install ipodlinux do it only for video lol
00:53:42Bagderwell, those people wouldn't use rockbox anyway
00:53:43Aghaster(notice the try, because lots of them will fail and cry)
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00:54:20mrweeeehey
00:54:24earHertzipodlinux dioes video?
00:54:31Aghasteryeah, badly, but it does
00:54:32Bagderuncompressed
00:54:52mrweeeewhere can i find the current features of rockbox?
00:54:58amiconnHow many seconds before the fat file size limit hits?
00:55:01Aghasterif they can offer minimal video support, i guess rockbox programmers can manage to work it out too
00:55:13mrweeeedoes rockbox do video?
00:55:26Mikachudeja vu
00:55:26Mikachuno
00:56:04amiconnWrong, it does - on archos
00:56:23MoosBagder: do you know why the "all commits since 2.5" page doesn't working anymore?
00:56:24Aghasteryeah, but i was speaking of ipod.
00:56:35BagderMoos: no, I didn't know it didn't
00:56:39*amiconn wonders where wett vanished
00:56:52BagderMoos: I'll check into that
00:56:56Moosmrweeee: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
00:57:06MoosBagder: OK, thanks
00:58:26tom__What WPS do you people use? :)
00:58:53*Moos reuse his h1xx one : )
00:59:12Moosfor his X5
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00:59:52Aghasteri've noticed rockbox eats my ipod battery a lot more than original firmware. are there any tips to make it last longer?
00:59:52Moostom__: did you checked the gallery yet?
01:00
01:00:00tom__yeah been having a look
01:00:09tom__Seen 3 I like
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01:00:36Moosbetter to do your own, in regard the infos you want displayed
01:00:56Mooshi midkay
01:01:00scottderAny changes on the AAC front?
01:01:07midkayhey Moos
01:01:38lostlogicbagh, cvs diff says "NO YOU BITCH" to me.
01:02:17tom__I'm guessing there's no options for bass and treble now?
01:02:21Mooswow lostlogic you are alive O.O :-P
01:02:36lostlogicMoos: hehe, been busy of late
01:02:47Moosjust kinding :)
01:03:38Moosless than one week for fix your playback code, that's quick
01:03:48amiconnmeh
01:03:59lostlogicmeh, works fine for me :-D
01:04:25PaulJam_tom__: hold navi while you are in the wps, there you find the soundsettings
01:04:34amiconnWhy would moving a struct member cause a significant timing change of the whole application???
01:04:45tom__Ta PaulJam_
01:04:50tom__As for the WPS, I like this one > http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=386193&postcount=50
01:05:01tom__It says backdrop support needed, do I need something extra for that?
01:05:40Mooslostlogic: yeah it appears quite stable for me too, just occasional bugs
01:05:47XavierGr_ok next sime Romanos enters here I propose to ban him
01:05:51lostlogicMoos: what bugs still strike you?
01:06:34XavierGr_We really should ban him, even if he is from the same coutnry as me he deserves it.
01:07:05MikachuXavierGr_: what did he say about me earlier?
01:07:13tom__oh man, I'm not having fun with rockbox
01:07:17XavierGr_you can imagine it....
01:07:20tom__it's crashed while playing a song and I can't turn it off O_o
01:07:22Mikachuheh
01:07:33Mooslostlogic: still occasionaly 2 buffer filing for same tracks+those negative values in debug audio
01:07:37preglowtom__: what player?
01:07:41tom__h340
01:07:46preglowthen reset it
01:07:55tom__where is that heh
01:07:58preglowbottom
01:07:59tom__that the middle hole at the bottom?
01:08:00preglowsmall tiny hole
01:08:04preglowyou'll need a pin or somethin
01:08:20PaulJam_on h300 the reset is under the microphone
01:08:51tom__ah well played
01:09:06XavierGr_I would be very happy to ban him myself. Just to see that he got baned by me! :D
01:09:18Moosanyway time to say moo, good night at all
01:09:26tom__Yeah anyway, it said "backdrop support needed"
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01:09:33tom__does that mean I need something extra?
01:09:41PaulJam_backdrops are supported
01:12:00tom__how do I change WPS then? :)
01:12:04earHertzwindows command line ool to eject usb drive (ipod)?
01:13:39preglowbarhg
01:13:41preglowsleep time
01:13:43preglowlater
01:14:35markungood night, I'm also going to sleep
01:15:32markuntom__: you should try to find more info on your own in the wiki and the manual
01:16:09tom__I'm looking in the manual, it tells me how to make a WPS xD
01:16:27markungood :)
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01:17:47Genre9mp3I was just reading the logs.....XavierGr, I totaly agree withyou...
01:18:10pixelmaXavierGr_: the new splash messages in the minesweeper plugin sound strange to me (1) I think the tense should be present or perfect (maybe a native speaker could give advice) (2) I don't know why it says 'press a key' since it vanishes after 2s and the menu comes up
01:22:21pixelmaI mean without pressing something
01:24:11Genre9mp3pixelma: what do you mean it vanishes after 2s? Even if you don't press a key?
01:25:12pixelmathis was in addition to the splash screen question I started before
01:25:35tom__markun, I just don't get it dude sorry, I've read the manual
01:25:44tom__I copied the theme files to the unit
01:25:51tom__but they don't show up in browse themes
01:26:06Mikachuyou want the cfg file in .rockbox/themes and the wps file in .rockbox/wps
01:26:21tom__Ah, there was no cfg files :\
01:27:14tom__Looks like I've been robbed here
01:27:18Mikachuheh
01:27:25tom__someone stoled my cfg files!
01:27:28Mikachucopy one of the other ones and change the wps reference in it
01:28:28tom__Hmm which font to use ;)
01:29:22Mikachumaybe the blurb on the wpsgallery said something about that
01:29:27PaulJam_tom__: try snap
01:29:46Mikachuif it's one of the fancier themes it probably has to be the exact one
01:30:21tom__http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=386193&postcount=50
01:30:25tom__I want that one!
01:30:44Mikachunow, are you sure you want that one? you always said you don't like anime wpses
01:30:57tom__I didn't say ought
01:31:01tom__I've never been here before! :p
01:31:18Mikachuthat was a little britain reference heh
01:31:26tom__oh ok ;)
01:31:29tom__I never really watched it heh
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01:32:07tom__I made the cfg file
01:32:11tom__but no text shows now haha
01:35:24amiconncrap.
01:35:39amiconnThere's some rather odd dependency problem...
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01:41:08tom\alivehello again
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01:51:10jd_hi/re, I made a check out 10 hours ago on rockbox-devel, works well, but now I'm making another one an I get "(...) /cvsroot/rockbox-devel: no such repository".
01:51:51Jd|unihey all
01:52:12Jd|unieeek... 3 Jd's :p
01:52:22jd_:)
01:54:33*amiconn is totally confoozled now
01:54:52amiconnWhy oh why does this delay not occur with default settings?!?!?!?!?!?!
01:54:55jd_(hum, stupid error on my side, forgive me)
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02:06:50lostlogichmm... does repeat-one mode still rebuffer every filebuflen?
02:06:57lostlogicor does it know to just keep playnig the same physical track
02:12:04amiconnI think it still rebuffers
02:12:31amiconnThe playback engine doesn't know that it's always the same track. The playlist code handles it
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02:13:10amiconnI wouldn't care too much, as it complicates the playback engine for a usage case that's rather uncommon
02:18:57*lostlogic has been listening to the same song for about 2.5 hours :-P
02:19:04lostlogicI'm special.
02:19:53amiconnWell, if you would add a sepcial case for that, you would need to special-case the special case,
02:20:11amiconnin case the single track doesn't fit into the buffer as a whole
02:20:45lostlogicokokok, not this year.
02:21:02amiconnA propos doesn't fit the buffer - isn't there still an out-of-buffer seek problem?
02:21:30lostlogici think there is a seeking backwards out of the buffer problem still
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02:31:29tom\aliveHmm, how come the LCD doesn't turn off when it's plugged in?
02:34:14sharpehow goes everyone?
02:34:27tom\alivenot good, the screen won't turn off when charging! :@
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02:35:06sharpeohes noes!!
02:35:14Jd|unicoz u prob have that option set so it doesnt..
02:35:22Genre9mp3tom\alive: wjat player?
02:35:25tom\aliveh340
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02:35:47Genre9mp3when you charge it with the original fw?
02:35:53tom\alivewith rockbox
02:35:59tom\aliveit turned off with original fw
02:36:36Genre9mp3So the backlight setting is turned to On , I guess
02:36:57sharpethat makes so much sense
02:37:04Genre9mp3:)
02:37:22tom\aliveIf I turn the unit on, then plug it in
02:37:28tom\alivethe backlight goes off
02:37:33tom\alivebut if I just plug the unit in
02:37:39tom\alivethe backlight stays on
02:38:21Jd|unicheck your settings
02:38:39tom\aliveBacklight (when plugged in) is set to off
02:38:48tom\alivewhich if the unit is turned on, then plugged in
02:38:57tom\aliveyou get the USB picture
02:39:03tom\aliveand the backlight goes off
02:39:36Genre9mp3tom\alive: when you just plug in the charger while the unit is off you get the original fw...
02:39:39tom\alivebut if I turn the unit off, and plug it in, the backlight stays on
02:40:03Genre9mp3there is a setting in the original fw you have to change
02:41:58tom\alive"Bootloader USB mode" is just displayed on the screen
02:42:40Genre9mp3You try to charge from the usb cable?
02:44:51tom\aliveI've got both plugged into my dock
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02:45:54Genre9mp3Putting it into the dock is like putting the charger and the usb cable at the same time...
02:46:02tom\aliveyeah, exactly
02:46:14Genre9mp3So this gets you to Bootloader USB mode"
02:46:34Genre9mp3just remove the usb cable from behind of the dock
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02:46:54Genre9mp3if you just want to charge it...
02:47:06Genre9mp3this will boot to the original fw
02:47:16*scottder needs to rerip some albums, some are only in aac
02:47:39tom\aliveAh yeah, nice :)
02:48:00tom\aliveOnly thing with this is rockbox runs a bit slow/lagged
02:50:03XavierGrpixelma: No, after the splash message the screen shows the entire board solved and waits for a button press.
02:50:22XavierGrbut in case it doesn't please inform me.
02:50:41XavierGramiconn: what was the bug on ondios in the end?
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02:51:01scottderOdd, right before it aborts...rockbox reports that the file I have is ALAC. not regular lossy AAC...odd
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02:54:02pixelmaXavierGr: it doesn't do so for me (I've got an Ondio and my version is 060523-1203)
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02:54:34XavierGrpixelma: strange I just tested it on my H300.
02:54:39pixelmait returns to the menu
02:55:22XavierGrare you sure? play lose and wait for the splash, dont press anything.
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02:56:41joshkcan anyone help with installing rockbox on a 4g ipod?
02:56:51joshki've got it going to the splash screen, but it just sits there
02:57:07pixelmaXavierGr: this is what I did - I tried it a few times (when winning it was the same)
02:57:25XavierGrreally strange...
02:57:36XavierGrlet me test on the ondio sim
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03:04:08XavierGrpixelma: you are right. I know the cause for this.
03:04:35XavierGrOn ondios the key to unveil a tile is Hold button mode
03:05:04XavierGrwhile holding and then releasing an extra button is queued so that's why you never see the other screen.
03:06:49pixelmaok, it would be nice if you could get it working then :)
03:08:09XavierGryes I will try. :)
03:08:27pixelmagot to go to sleep, good luck!
03:08:59XavierGrbye
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03:10:18pjoHello!
03:10:33pjoI got a problem
03:10:50pjoI deleted .rockbox and rockbox.ipod to reinstall
03:11:28pjodo I just copy the .rockbox and rockbox.ipod to iPod ?
03:11:45XavierGryes
03:12:06pjoor do I need to redo ipodpatcher ?
03:12:58pjoXavier: Hello
03:14:00pjocan I see the rockboot.bin from Windows ?
03:14:01XavierGrno you just need to put the folder and the file on root
03:14:45XavierGrpjo: I don't know about details but if you just want to upgrade to a newer build (assuming you have rockbox running) all you do is replace those 2 things
03:15:34pjook the problem looks like is in Loader 2.3 of ipodlinux, when RockBox is selected, error
03:16:33XavierGrpjo: sorry I can't help. Look for someone tha has an ipod
03:16:51pjobien sur
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03:21:45sharpewest side story!
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04:02:37Aghasterhehe, flac support owns.
04:03:09Aghasterwith my 60gig ipod i have plenty space to encode all my albums in flac to listen to it in original quality :)
04:03:23flamingcowof course, the DAC isn't near good enough for you to hear the difference, but :)
04:03:31AghasterDAC?
04:03:57Aghasterwell i guess that playing it through my ipod station may give me better sound
04:04:12Aghaster:P
04:04:36Aghasterwell, the sound is somehow "purer" but the difference is hard to hear, i agree
04:05:10flamingcowdigital to analog converter
04:05:20flamingcowi wonder if the ipod has digital output
04:05:23Aghasteryou know, some people still buy vinyls because they say the sound quality is better than audio CDs
04:05:24flamingcowand if the station is doing the conversion
04:05:43flamingcowaghaster: not better, they just like the particular distortion effect
04:05:50Aghasterok
04:06:30AghasterI know some people who actually refuse to buy an mp3 player because of lossy compression
04:06:41AghasterSome people do feel the difference
04:07:30Mikachuother people, like me, listen to the music instead
04:07:48flamingcow:)
04:07:55Aghaster:P
04:08:42Aghasteri wonder what bitrate techno music might be.
04:09:03Aghasterflac encodes what's to be encoded, not 1411kbps only
04:09:05Aghasterso i can see
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07:40:19amiconnXavierGr: I still don't know exactly - your moving of general_settings.scroll_speed triggers it, but that can't be the true root cause...
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07:57:09amiconnOk, *now* I know what really happens :)
07:58:45amiconnSlasheri is the one to blame, and the code snippet causing the problem is fairly old, and could potentially hit all bitmap targets
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08:03:45Slasheriamiconn: hmm, what did you found? :)
08:04:03linuxstbCould it be related to the freezes some people seem to be experiencing at the splash screen?
08:04:05amiconnmain.c:init_tagcache() has a bug
08:04:28Slasheriah, that sounds good (so it can be fixed)
08:04:44amiconnIf tagcache_is_initialized() immediately returns 'true', font_w and font_h don't get initialised,
08:05:18amiconnso the lcd_fillrect() after tagtree_init(); may fill just about anything
08:05:30Slasherioh, interesting
08:05:44amiconnOn my Ondio, font_h became something around 16 million
08:06:00amiconnLuckily the lcd code does clipping...
08:07:11Slasherihmm, could that cause any more serious problems or does it just show some garbage on the screen
08:07:16amiconnI wanted to tackle that function anyway some time ago, because of the logo overdraw on archos recorders & ondios, and the absolute lack of feedback on the player
08:07:22Slasheriat least it seems to be trivial to fix
08:07:33amiconnIt doesn't show garbage - it just clears the whole screen
08:07:38Slasheriah, ok
08:08:43amiconnpreglow suggested using a splash(), because on smaller lcds the message is truncated
08:08:51amiconn(that includes the h1x0)
08:09:07amiconnThe playlist insertion progress also uses a splash
08:09:16Slasherithat sounds good.. i will try that soon
08:09:30amiconnDon't bother, I'll fix that function
08:09:43Slasheriah, ok. thanks :)
08:09:58amiconnYou could try to fix the nasty tagcache bug I reported multiple times. It's still there...
08:10:27Slasheriyep, i will.. but i have been quite busy with work lately and i have no idea what causes that issue :/
08:11:00amiconnSomehow tagcache seems to overwrite the browser's buffer, without notifying it
08:11:08Slasherii have checked the commit memory allocation a few times now, but probably it still has a bug somewhere
08:11:14amiconnSo the browser gets severely confused
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08:19:51JdGordonhey, re the message on the mailing list... could the tag and tree browsers be merged? so as the root of the browser you could have artists, tracks, etc, and then the music folder which acts like the regular browser?
08:23:04dj-futhat would be a sweet idea.
08:23:12amiconnNot that easily
08:23:23dj-fucause then the drag'n'drop filebrowser dudes would be happy, and the tag browser dudes would be happy
08:23:34amiconnThe idea exists to make the tag browser a virtual sub-dir of the root
08:23:48JdGordonthat would work also
08:24:40amiconnYou can't just put the tagbrowser's Artist etc dirs into the root, because a user may have an actual directory named like that
08:25:30amiconnSo the names must be made special, which can be achieved by using angle brackets
08:26:14amiconnBut then, file browser users would get annoyed by the number of virtual dirs added by tagcache
08:26:35amiconnOne single virtual dir would be less annoying I think
08:27:53JdGordonfor sure
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08:31:03amiconnSlasheri: Now that is strange: I modified init_tagcache to use a splash. It seems that the part inside the while() loop is always executed. But if it is - what could bring font_h so far out of range?
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08:31:39Slasherihmm
08:32:39amiconntagcache_get_commit_step() seems to immediately return 10 if there's nothing to do
08:33:14Slasherithen it has a bug
08:33:56amiconnAh, no
08:34:17amiconnMy fault - and it explains the weird font_h in the old function
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08:44:19infamis404 on since25.html...any way to view all commits?
08:45:07amiconnSlasheri: The tagcache weirdness only happens on swcodec targets. On hwcodec, I can browse tagcache directly after commit
08:45:36Slasherihmm, weird
08:45:39linuxstbinfamis: Try google's cached version: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:70GR-bFT4tgJ:www.rockbox.org/since25.html+%22all+commits+since+2.5%22&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox
08:45:50linuxstbI'm guessing that's related to the same problem that viewcvs is having....
08:45:58*amiconn has got to fix another Slasheri bug before 3.0 :/
08:46:03Slasherii still don't understand how the committing at boot could touch the dir browser buffer
08:46:46Slasheriand if i understood correctly, the dirtree buffer is even allocated after the commit..
08:50:12amiconnMy new tagcache commit msg (using splash) is working nicely on bitmap targets. I'll test my charcell version, then commit...
08:50:51infamislinuxstb, what problem is viewcvs having? seems to be working to me
08:51:36amiconnThe player version won't use splash (because the 'Committing tagcache...' sring is alreay longer than what fits the display), but use the second line of the display for a super-short counter display
08:52:38Slasherisounds nice
08:54:05amiconnThe splash() uses the user font, so if someone needs a big font for readability, there's one problem less. It also cuts down code size.
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08:56:26linuxstbinfamis: Some files are not being displayed correctly, or at all in some cases.
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09:13:23JdGordonhow nice.. i was just called from american express... do they know im 21 and jobless??
09:14:03peturthey don't care, they only want your money
09:14:32JdGordonno but its pointless.. coz even if i did want a credit card.. there is no way they would give me one anyway
09:21:22amiconnHmm... perhaps it's possible to speed up the initial tagcache scan...
09:21:55amiconnOur metadata reading functions are probably not very optimised, because the yused to be used for a few tracks at a time
09:22:14amiconnWith tagcache, they're used for a ton of tracks at a time...
09:25:11Slasherihmm, that sounds like very possible to do. iirc at least mp3 metadata parser searches for header by reading one byte at time. That can't be very effective
09:25:28Slasheri*efficient
09:25:51amiconnIndeed... and it hits archos most
09:26:18amiconn(because of the slow cpu and because practically all tracks on archos have to be mpeg audio)
09:27:40Slasheriand tagcache recursive scan should be replaced with the dircache code somehow.. and pass the file startcluster to open even when dircache is not available at all
09:27:59Slasherithat should speed up the initial scan by 50% at least on archos
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09:34:28peturfunny site: http://www.idont.com/
09:34:37peturmmmeeehhhh
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09:37:52amiconnpetur: Please check tree.c:890ff
09:38:13amiconnWhat did you do to the else... part of the if() ?
09:38:42amiconnRight now we don't have a unit which has both colour display and hotswap defined, but we probably will
09:38:44amiconn(h300)
09:40:48peturwoops, missed that else hidden behind that #ifdef :(
09:42:02amiconnShould be sufficient to move the #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR block below the other one
09:42:08peturhmmm, that code was wrong in the first place
09:42:08dongsyet another reason to split all the code into modules
09:42:12dongsinstead of #ifdefing 3984732984 things
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09:42:36peturdongs: not entirely true
09:42:37amiconndongs: You simply can't avoid all ifdefs
09:42:51peturdongs: code sharing
09:43:38amiconnMany modules are shared between multiple or all targets, but need slight adaptions to the target's features
09:43:39peturamiconn: the initial backdrop code there was already wrong
09:44:22peturamiconn: see version 1.402
09:44:59amiconnHmm, so there's someone else to blame...
09:45:16amiconnI just spotted that while hunting for the mysterious screen clear on Ondio
09:45:18peturbbl
09:46:55amiconnBagder, Zagor: cvs activity time stamps are still wrong...
09:48:08amiconnMaybe that's also related to the viewcvs weirdness?
09:48:24*amiconn doesn't know how the script for the webpages collects this info
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10:10:01*petur got a nice salary raise :) drinks on the house :)
10:10:09JdGordoncongrats
10:10:32linuxstbpetur: What was the backdrop problem? (congratulations as well)
10:11:05peturthe code was placed inbetween and if/else construct
10:11:16petur*an
10:12:01linuxstbAh, I see it now. That's why I hate if() statements without braces...
10:12:14peturme too
10:12:34linuxstbBut that might not have helped there anyway....
10:12:41linuxstbStill, good spot amiconn.
10:12:49peturI also like braces below the if, not behind them where they get out of view
10:13:25linuxstbAnd apologies for the mistake.
10:14:03peturhe who doesn't write bugs shall throw the first stone
10:14:20*petur writes plenty
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11:43:55*petur dares to put the statements behind the if()
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11:46:50courtcsingle line unbraced if()s, braces on the same line as the if and uncuddled else statements. That's how I uhh.. roll...
11:48:13peturpeople who use indenting to determine where code belongs to should stick with python :P
11:48:42*amiconn prefers proper indentation
11:48:51courtcWell it's hard not to when you use 8 space tabs.
11:49:28petursure, and use notepad as editor ;)
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11:51:03JdGordonpetur dares to put the statements behind the if() <- if the staements following isnt too long then i rekon that is better than chucking it on the next line...
11:51:10amiconntab chars have nothing to do in C source... and indenting by 8 spaces is way too much
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11:53:55courtcahh! more than one contiguous space is blasphemy! ;)
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11:55:17courtc"Now, some people will claim that having 8-character indentations makes the code move too far to the right, and makes it hard to read on a 80-character terminal screen. The answer to that is that if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix your program."
11:55:33JdGordonok, i just played a track on my h300 and it paused about 4 times through the track for a fraction of a second.... dud track or something else?
11:56:03JdGordon3 levels?? thats nothing... and 8 chars IS way too much
11:56:22courtcsource: http://www.chris-lott.org/resources/cstyle/LinuxKernelCodingStyle.txt
11:56:34JdGordonah ok.. makes sense..
11:56:36peturyeah, let the coding style flame wars begin
11:56:40JdGordonthey are commys :D
11:56:54peturworse, kapitalists!
11:57:42*petur shouldnt mix languages and learn to type
11:57:57courtcyay! anywho, that's actually listed as a style guide for ipodlinux, just so patches that we get don't fall too far off the deep end.
11:58:20JdGordoni disagree with both the first 2 statements on that page :D
11:59:05courtccrazy emacs users are the worst, with mixed spaces and tabs. They need to be shot.
11:59:09JdGordon"Rationale: K&R. " <- br-freeking-vo
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12:02:10preglowoh god
12:02:12preglowmixed spaces and tabs
12:02:17preglowthat's a sin
12:02:17courtcI've come to accept most styles without complaint as long as it still resembles c in some fashion.
12:02:19preglowpure and simple
12:02:24*courtc agrees.
12:02:34preglowso it's emacs doing that.......
12:02:42preglowhunking pile of shit it is
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13:03:22PaulJamhi, is someone here using the albun art patch with a h300 and has a non lcd remote?
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13:29:17PaulJamthere is a really weird bug with the album art patch: the wps shows album art and the non lcd remote is connected, the year of the rtc gets set to 1999 within a few minutes.
13:29:32PaulJam(on h300)
13:29:38peturwtf?
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13:32:54PaulJamanother strange thing is, that the lock icon of the remote appears from time to time for a few milliseconds while in the wps (if it has albumart) when the non lcd remote is connected
13:33:00tom\aliveWhat can I do to get rockbox to run faster?
13:33:05tom\aliveIt runs really sluggish atm :\
13:33:23PaulJamtom\alive: enable dircache
13:33:31tom\aliveheh ok
13:34:06PaulJamtom\alive: then the hdd doesn't spin up everytime you enter the browser
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13:35:34tom\aliveok, what about that database thing aswell?
13:36:08PaulJami don't use the db
13:36:29tom\aliveAh, it's turned off anyway
13:37:54tom\alivehow do you get it to just play all songs within subdirectories
13:38:04tom\aliveI've got a folder for 2006 music, I want it to play all music within the subfolders
13:38:32peturadd it to a playlist and set playlist insertion to recursive
13:38:46Genre9mp3PaulJam: Confirmed about the hold remote icon, the rtc thing though doesn't happen to me
13:39:10Jungti1234hello
13:39:13Jungti1234hmm... torx..
13:39:25markunJungti1234: hi
13:39:30markunwhat about torx?
13:39:57Jungti1234I can't find its driver.
13:40:21markuncan't find the right screwdriver?
13:41:10Jungti1234yes
13:41:29JdGordonstill havnt got it open aye?
13:42:03Jungti1234:'( yes
13:42:14JdGordondrill the screws out :D
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13:42:32Jungti1234hmm
13:42:53Jungti1234E10 screw is so small.
13:43:10JdGordonany1 know how to use sed?
13:44:09peturhttp://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html
13:44:21JdGordonim looking at that.. really not much help
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13:44:44PaulJamGenre9mp3: strange, i can reproduce the year problem here. as soon a the remote icon begins to flicker the rtc-year tag disappears.
13:45:28JdGordoni need convert a word to uppercase.. im hinted to but the word on the hold buffer... well i can get the word fine from regexp.. but how do i put it on the hold buffer?
13:45:30*petur wonders if this is all related to the retailos config corruption
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13:53:06*amiconn has a vague idea what *might* happen. Unfortunately that's a hard one to test...
13:53:43Jungti1234um..
13:53:46Genre9mp3PaulJam: The wps you test on has a year tag? mine doesn't
13:54:04Jungti1234I sought it during 2 hours...
13:54:26Jungti1234Perhaps tomorrow, there may be it in the shop. :)
13:54:48PaulJamGenre9mp3: i have made a test-wps that has basically only album art and the tag %cd.m.Yc
13:55:35Genre9mp3Did you try with one that doesn't have the year tag to see if it also goes to 1999?
13:56:02Jungti1234markun
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13:57:50PaulJamGenre9mp3: yes, i observed the same thing with my normal wps, that doesn't have a rtc-year tag
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14:00:05Genre9mp3strange, I repeated the test several times and the rtc is ok
14:00:33Genre9mp3I wonder why this happens only with the non lcd remote...
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14:07:12PaulJamGenre9mp3: i don't know if it happens _only_ with non lcd, but thats the only remote i have
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14:09:48Genre9mp3PaulJam: With an H300 LCD Remote doen't do this flickering on the hold icon...
14:10:20Genre9mp3though, the moment I conect it, it instantly appear and then disappear
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14:10:37amiconnThis flickering lock icon was reported several times. I can't test, since I only have a H100 remote
14:10:43Genre9mp3but never show up again like with the non lcd remote
14:11:36Genre9mp3I never noticed that before because when I use the remote, usually it's connected before I start the unit...
14:12:38Genre9mp3amiconn: this doesn't happen with an H100 LCD Remote?
14:13:12amiconnIt was only reported with the H300 non-lcd remote
14:13:22tom\aliveThere a list of plugins anywhere?
14:13:31amiconnBut then, I'm not a remote user. I only use the remote for development
14:13:46peturtom\alive: check the wiki
14:14:00peturand the manual
14:14:08tom\aliveta
14:14:38tom\aliveah hmm, I'm looking for a plugin more for sound quality
14:15:03tom\alivedoesn't sound as good anymore without the SRS WOW, is there some kind of substitute for that?
14:15:42peturyou can use the EQ and stereo width
14:15:55preglownothing like srs, no
14:16:02peturimho, SRS WOW sounds crap
14:16:18preglowit sounds good on some tracks i have
14:16:26*Genre9mp3 hates SRS WOW, too...
14:16:40*Genre9mp3 also hates its fancy name
14:16:40Jungti1234hehe
14:16:46Jungti1234you know BBE?
14:17:07JdGordongrrrrrrrrrrr this 1 mp3 is stopping every 5sec or so :(
14:17:13Genre9mp3Jungti1234: iAudio's BBE?
14:17:16ashridahtom\alive: there's also replaygain to help as well
14:17:17Jungti1234yes
14:17:29Genre9mp3what about it?
14:17:39tom\aliveHmm, I'm crap at setting up equalisers and stuff :\
14:17:50tom\alivethe WOW was great though, just turned it on and it sounded great
14:17:57Jungti1234Sound field?
14:18:19*preglow gone
14:18:36Jungti1234Samsung is DNSe
14:19:03Genre9mp3I don't even use the EQ...I like to listen to my music the way it's meant to be listened... ;)
14:19:14Jungti1234:)
14:19:23Mikachuthat's what the eq is for, compensating faults in hardware
14:20:56JdGordonshouldnt swcodec check to see if its buffer is nearing empty and refill it?
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14:21:57JdGordonit seems to let it fully empty on a certain few tracks... i dunno if its those mp3z, or the hdd or what... but its very repeatable on those tracks??
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14:28:09amiconnJdGordon: The swcodec buffer margin calculation still leaves a lot to be desired
14:28:38JdGordonok
14:29:10amiconnThe hwcodec engine calculates the margin dynamically, based on the average bitrate of the track and the measured disk spinup time, using a safe default if that value is not yet available
14:29:58amiconnMikachu: EQ/tone control is both for compensating hardware deficiencies and different listening conditions
14:30:09amiconn(think about fletcher-munson)
14:30:12JdGordonbut doesnt the codec know when the buffer is nearing empty? using the same value the info page shows.. and then try to fill it if is too low?
14:30:33amiconnThe point is that the 'too low' point is variable
14:30:57Mikachudoes it matter where that point is if you can't fill it faster than it empties?
14:31:19tom\alivewhat music you all into? :)
14:31:54JdGordoncant u set a hard limit on the bottom before just waiting to empty?
14:32:09*JdGordon doesnt really know what he is talking about.. but anoyed a few tracks dont work properly
14:32:09amiconnMikachu: We can always fill it faster than it empties... thing is that the swcodec engine lets it run too low, even though it misuses the anti-skip buffer setting
14:33:00JdGordondo i bother playing the offending tracks in the OF to see if its a buggered mp3 or hdd?
14:33:36JdGordonbah, gtg.. back in an hour
14:34:01XavierGramiconn: now that you are at an ondio fix can you look why on ondio a normal press-any-key to exit algorithm doesn't work in minesweeper? pixelma reported this yesterday. The same applies for the ondio sim. minesweeper.c line 426-428. I check the button value but it isn't zero so the loop exits immediately. Does it has to do that the ondio uses a press and hold button to enter that part of code?
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14:40:21amiconnXavierGr: Most probably. In that case, the any-key code must not trigger on a repeat, only on a plain press
14:40:54XavierGrhmm okay thanks, I will try and think of something.
14:41:46*amiconn wonders why minesweeper should wait for a key
14:41:59amiconnSound more cumbersome than the old way...
14:42:26XavierGrbecause when the player lose the whole board is unveiled for the user to see where the mines were located.
14:43:21XavierGrthat's the way most minesweepers I have seen do it, but if you think we should remove it...
14:43:34amiconnah, hmm, okay
14:43:39petura dead player shouldn't care :)
14:43:45XavierGrhehe
14:43:46Jungti1234http://jungti1234.netcci.net/0104.gif
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14:44:21amiconnHmm, could any native english speaker please shed a light on the following case?
14:45:15*midkay raises a hand, if nobody else
14:45:15amiconnAfaik, the messages for winning/ losing should either be "You win" / "You lose" or "You've won" / "You've lost", but not "You won" / "You lost"
14:45:35amiconnAm I wrong?
14:45:36midkaywin/lose sounds good...
14:45:58XavierGrok then maybe that's my mistake.
14:45:59midkaythey all work, just a bit differently.
14:46:39midkayyou won/you lost is like referring to what you completed, but since you *just* completed it, win/lose makes a bit more sense.
14:50:20XavierGramiconn: thanks that did the trick for minesweeper.
14:52:30XavierGrok now that I am at it. How the text must be changed? You've won/lost or You win/lose?
14:53:31midkayyou've won/lost is probably the worst of the three options, IMO.
14:53:43midkayi vote for you win/lose.
14:53:54XavierGrok then I will revert it.
14:54:13*midkay will bbiab
14:54:49midkayamiconn, btw, i started on a version of xobox for archoses using the grayscale lib but i had a few problems.. i was wondering if you could have a look.
14:54:54midkay*brb*
14:54:58XavierGrit just seems strange to me to use simple present for an action in the past....
14:58:04amiconnEnglish is a bit different than other european languages in that respect. In german, you would use present perfect for these messages
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15:01:50Jungti1234bye all
15:02:12XavierGrI assume that plugins don't support transparency colours like WPS, right?
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15:05:47amiconnXavierGr: What do you mean??
15:06:38XavierGrwell on WPS there is a certain colour that is considered transparent.
15:07:04XavierGrIs that the case on plugins too. (or is it universal?)
15:07:39amiconnThere is a special drawing function for transparent bitmapes
15:07:51amiconnIt only works for 16bit displays right now
15:08:12XavierGrthe name of the function?
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15:16:07midkaythe color is 255,0,255 and i'm pretty sure it's universal..
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15:33:48orfaxI'm trying to build rockbox on a 5g ipod, but so that it uses 64MB. However setting the memorysize=64 in the configure script isn't enough. It fails to load an mp3 with a codec failure message.Anyone got any clues?
15:34:19midkayit just doesn't work like that, or something. :p
15:34:25midkaymore things have to be changed, i believe.
15:34:44midkay*bbl*
15:34:50peturcrt0 probably (memory controller)
15:35:44markunorfax: do you know if the ipod linux guys use the full 64MB?
15:35:58peturand several defines for the buffer allocation
15:36:43orfaxmarkun: yeah I'll check
15:37:14markunwe remap the RAM to start at 0. Might be that we only remap the first 32MB..
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15:41:04Hansmaulwurfhttp://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox <−−- iPod Boom
15:41:13Hansmaulwurfhi everybody
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15:49:50XavierGrlets see if X-chat is anygood...
15:51:54dj-fuIt's nice.
15:52:03dj-fui've taken to using it on win32, cause of the perl interface
15:52:55Genre9mp3XavierGr: Just a quick tip for you: Settings > Preferences > Chatting > General
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16:03:24linuxstborfax: The first thing I would check is to add some code to a standard Rockbox build to try and write some values (and read them back) from the second 32MB of RAM. As markun said, Rockbox remaps ram to start at address 0, and maybe that remapping code doesn't remap the full 64MB.
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16:11:48dproI'll probably give dj'ing another acid test (sic! ;) tonight just to make sure - if I use 44.1kHz .wav and I get dropouts it wasn't the codec right ?
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17:01:26Psilonauthi, is it possible to play video's with rockbox on a ipod video?
17:01:36PaulJamno
17:01:53Psilonautwill it be possible?
17:02:02BagderPsilonaut: yes, when someone writes the code
17:02:15Psilonautok, thx for the info
17:03:28GercoIs it already clear what the problem is with the current builds, running on an iPod 4G and don't get past the splash screen?
17:05:37Gercoor is that question too generic :)
17:08:41orfaxmarkun: I think ipl only uses 32. Going through their patch I can only see DRAM_SIZE set to 0x2000000 which =32MB
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17:27:19jd_what is the "escape/quit" button binding in the X5 simulator? I tried a lot of keys but did not find yet :)
17:27:52Bagdercheck the source! ;-)
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17:28:11*Bagder can't remember
17:28:11jd_(especially while using a plugin, the left arrow works well outside plugins)
17:28:31Bagderplugins quit on the power switch on the real unit
17:28:34Bagdermostly
17:28:40jd_you're right, I'm lazy
17:28:42jd_oh ^^
17:29:02jd_(I'll get my brand new W5 in two days so I didn't know)
17:29:05jd_*X5
17:29:57jd_#define SUDOKU_BUTTON_QUIT BUTTON_OFF ^^
17:31:02Bagderenter/return/a
17:31:16Bagderuisimulator/sdl/button.c
17:32:10PaulJamyou could also run the simulator with −−background , then the buttons should be labeled.
17:32:53amiconnjd_: That mapping is still missing...
17:33:21amiconnIt's a bug in the X5 sim.
17:33:30jd_ok. neither a/enter/return is « working » but that's no issue, I was just wondering if it was a bug or a lack :)
17:33:37jd_thank you
17:34:09*amiconn once had an idea how to make the sim button mappings less error prone, but can't quite remember how it was supposed to work :/
17:34:11jd_I'll write my first plugin to learn more about all the nitty-gritty details
17:34:28jd_too bad amiconn ;)
17:34:58Bagderjd_: that's the spirit, get your feet wet by hands-on experience!
17:37:26jd_I spend my afternoon lurking in the source code, in fact ; I think starting with plugins could be an appropriate start-off
17:37:36BagderI agree
17:37:45Bagderits a good way to get acquinted
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17:38:15jd_just need a plugin *idea*
17:38:16jd_:)
17:38:20Bagderhehe
17:38:32Bagderport your favourite simple game
17:38:41Mikachui've already done life
17:38:42Bagdercommon approach ;-)
17:38:51jd_common approach ;)
17:39:00Mikachui hear it's a common approach
17:39:10jd_is it?
17:39:54PaulJamyou could also improve an existing plugin, for example add colours to minesweeper :)
17:40:01jd_I once played a game with three vikings but don't remember the title..
17:40:10earHertzWhen I try to registre for the patch tracker, I get an error: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/error
17:40:24earHertzHow do I register?
17:42:23Mikachujd_: lost vikings?
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17:44:13jd_right!
17:44:18jd_thank you :)
17:45:22theli_uaMikachu, i don't see that you changed plugin_api with your last absolute wheel position patch... so how do you use wheel_status?
17:47:13Mikachui'm pretty sure it does
17:47:35Mikachui also put two patches in the task that show how to use ti
17:48:05Mikachuthen again, maybe i forgot
17:48:21theli_ualast patch rockbox-wheel_absolute_patch_v4.patch changes only button.c
17:48:42theli_uait is clear how to use it :)
17:48:48Mikachuah, v3 changes the other ones
17:49:34Mikachuyou'll have to mix and match a bit
17:50:34theli_uayeah ... just wanted to know didn't i miss something :)
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18:05:32earHertzHow do I add a patch to the patch tracker?
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18:08:01Bagderyou reg a user and submit a patch
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18:23:17earHertzI registered. I see a link to "Open a new Task anonymously", but from there I don't see where I submit the patch file
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18:25:37markunearHertz: you have to login first
18:25:46earHertzI did login
18:26:04markunWhen I login I don't see the "Open a new Task anonymously" anymore
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18:27:30earHertzok, you're righrt, I'm not logged in
18:27:41earHertzFlyspray isnn't real informative
18:27:46earHertzas fart as that goes
18:28:21markunI think you are the first who complains about it
18:28:24Spoilerheadanyone can help me with rockbox on an 2gipod mini?
18:28:58earHertzSomeone has to go first. Try registering a name with a space in it, and tell me if you find teh error message iformatiove
18:29:54markun:)
18:31:31Spoilerheadi start it up, it boots fine, but when its loaded its shows me a file mamanger and i can'T access my music
18:32:24markunDoes the file manager respond at all?
18:33:01Spoilerheadyes it works fine
18:33:21markunThis might be your problem: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav
18:33:27Spoilerheadbut cant see the folder "ipod_control" where my music i located
18:34:36Spoilerheadthats what i find dstrange, i cant see it
18:35:16markunDid you read the first line?
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18:36:40Spoilerheadoh, yes, thx
18:37:01Spoilerheadnow i selected a file and its frozen :(
18:41:17Spoilerheadok, thin k git it
18:41:27Spoilerheadmusic selectionworks only with playlists, right?
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18:42:30markunNo, you should be able to just play a file
18:49:18Spoilerheadok.. i'm getting used to it, thanks for your help
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19:51:56Mivanyone willing to help me figure out which mp3 recorder to buy for recording broadway show?
19:53:23XavierGrH100
19:53:27XavierGrif you can find it
19:53:38Mivwhat about the h140?
19:53:44XavierGryes
19:53:49XavierGrthe same model
19:53:56Mivwhat is the recording time limitation I read about
19:54:08XavierGrthere is no recording limitation with rockbox
19:54:16Mivwow
19:54:23XavierGrunlesss you are talking about the defualt firmware
19:54:35XavierGrwhich, yes, has a limitation
19:54:41Mivso I have to install rockbox?
19:54:46XavierGrbut why use the default if there is rockbox?
19:54:48XavierGryes
19:54:55Mivi'm a newbie...
19:55:02Mivis it difficult to install?
19:55:08XavierGrnot at all
19:55:24XavierGryou just download 3 files and you are ready to go.
19:55:33Mivso the h100 series is about the best you can get?
19:55:43XavierGrfor a DAP I think yes
19:55:46markunsome people are even using an external ADC with an optical connection to their irivers I believe
19:55:53Mivlooking at ebay... seems to be plenty at affordable prices
19:56:00XavierGrit is the only that has both optical/analog in/out
19:56:19Mivi use a md now... pain to put into computer at realtime
19:56:40XavierGrMiv: Ahh I know what you are talking about MD is a major pain.
19:56:44Mivis it possible to record in wav for 3 hours on 40 gig
19:56:50XavierGryes
19:56:57XavierGrand more
19:57:05Mivlooks like you have helped me so much!
19:57:13XavierGrI think someone recorded that managed to record for 7-8 hours
19:57:22XavierGrrecorded = reported
19:57:26peturMiv: see also taperssection.com for more recording info
19:57:31Mivhow about transfer to computer?
19:57:41XavierGrMiv: H100 is UMS
19:57:48MivUMS?
19:57:49XavierGrso you just plug and you transfer
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19:57:59peturlike an external USB drive
19:58:14Mivahhh.... what about clipping?
19:58:31peturwe have level monitoring and on the fly gain
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19:58:48peturthere's also an experimental build that has AGC
19:58:53Mivsounds like ya'll have got it all worked out!
19:58:59XavierGryup :D
19:59:08*petur is a recording fan
19:59:11petur:D
19:59:24Mivwould the 120 have enough space for recording long sets (3 hours or so?)
19:59:33peturplenty
19:59:34XavierGrI think yes
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20:00:06MivI don't think I would have to have the 140 then... price difference isn't too big though
20:00:18petur3 hours should be about 2 GB?
20:00:26Mivat wav?
20:00:31XavierGryes
20:00:33peturyes
20:00:49Mivthanks so much!
20:01:26XavierGrMiv: I don't think there is something better than H100 in DAP terms.
20:01:54Miv:)
20:01:59peturat least for recording...
20:03:16XavierGrif only iriver planed for an H500...
20:03:38XavierGrinstead they produce one failure after another.
20:03:57peturan h180 / h380 would be fine too ;)
20:04:19peturbut yeah, maybe faster cpu
20:04:26XavierGrindeed
20:04:39amiconnEating more battery?
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20:04:59amiconnNah, I think the h1x0 hardware is pretty ok
20:04:59petursorry, faster and more efficient :)
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20:05:23amiconnThere are 2 things I dislike about the h1x0 though. (1) the joystick (2) the buttons on the side
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20:06:01XavierGrI like the joystick, though yes the buttons on the side are somewhat annoying.
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20:07:36webguest51just have to chip in my 0005c worth, I like the buttons on the side, makes for wasy controlling when the unit is on my belt,
20:08:27webguest51although I mainly use the the play pause button when the unit is on my belt
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20:10:29Mivonce again .... thanks for the great help!!!!
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20:42:56Z_GodI was wondering if it is somehow possible to have multiple rockbox versions installed
20:43:07Z_Godis this possible & easy to do?
20:43:12dwihnohm
20:43:16dwihnowell, you can keep several copies
20:43:36Z_Godand swich swapping files using a comp?
20:43:39dwihnojust rename the rockbox firmware to something other and load it from within rockbox
20:44:45Z_Godand the .rockbox directory?
20:45:03dwihnothe .rockbox directory is hard coded
20:45:16dwihnoif you want to keep multiple .rockbox:es, you need to manually patch the code.
20:45:28Z_Godk, I already thought so
20:45:34Z_GodI think I'll just rename it then
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20:54:49peturZ_God: if the codecs, plugins,.. stay compatible between yourversions, just have rockbox.xxx, myversion.xxx,... in the root and load them on the fly
20:55:21Z_Godyep, but isn't the point of new versions codec fixes too?
20:55:35Z_GodI've now created a folder old_firmware and put the old files there
20:55:52Z_Godseems to work nicely, although I need a comp to switch the firmware now
20:55:56peturah you want to switch between old/new firmwares
20:56:52Z_Godwell, it was mainly to have a backup in case the new version had a problem
20:57:00peturmy trick only works for different special builds based on the same code
20:57:19Z_Godah, what kind of special builds do you use then?
20:57:58peturnormal, some test build for debugging, recording build (agc patch),...
20:58:15Z_Godah, k :)
20:58:19peturnormally only two: recording and normal/debug
20:58:39amiconnLoading on the fly (RoLo) does only work on archos, iriver and iaudio, but not on ipod
20:58:55peturoh, it doesn't?
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21:00:31Z_GodI noticed that rockbox doesn't switch to usbmode when I'm connecting my ipod while it's showing the credits btw
21:00:32amiconnpetur: Btw, should I fix the instruction order in tree.c?
21:01:00peturme the same... you or me ;)
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21:05:44amiconnOk, done
21:06:51peturgreat
21:09:36theli_uaanyone can advice tutorials/books on programming in asm for arm targets ?
21:10:12peturamiconn: reading your comment, any idea on how to move on with the isp1362?
21:21:44amiconnStill the same - first we need access to it
21:21:52peturamiconn: how are removable media handled atm. specifically: how are they shown in the tree?
21:23:06amiconnThe devices supporting removable media (currently only the Ondios) also need multivolume support
21:23:25amiconnYou can select (at compile time) how many partitions will be supported
21:23:42amiconnIt works unix-like
21:24:05amiconnThe first partition becomes the filesystem root
21:24:45peturah it's not an extra loadable filesystem like usbotg would be
21:24:47amiconnFurther partitions are mounted below it, and special virtual directories are created
21:25:14amiconnThese use angle brackets, like this: <MMC1>
21:25:36amiconnThe string is is compile time, the number is the volume number
21:25:48amiconnLoadable file system?
21:25:49Mikachuis <> disallowed on vfat and/or fat32?
21:26:16amiconnIt's not, but most OS'es forbid it in file names
21:26:36amiconnThis is why we use it here - it's highly unlikely that a real directory with this name exists
21:27:04peturok
21:27:08amiconnThese are virtual directories - they exist only in the rockbox filesystem driver
21:27:49amiconnpetur: What did you mean with loadable file system?
21:28:08peturusbotg should mount external media the same way, no?
21:28:18amiconnMounting/unmounting on Ondio is of course done on the fly
21:28:19peturmaybe the term is wrong
21:28:45amiconnIf you plug an MMC, the <MMC1> directory appears in the root, if you pull the card, it disappears again
21:29:03peturgreat
21:29:13amiconnThis is a feature separate from HAVE_MULTIVOLUME, it's enabled by HAVE_HOTPLUG
21:29:41amiconnHotplug will need special support (in the USBOTG driver), multivolume works on all targets when enabled
21:29:51Mikachuit would be comical to walk around with an ipod nano and a 400GB external usb drive
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21:30:12petur+ power supply
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21:30:38amiconnI used it to test mixed fat16/fat32 configurations (and large fat16 partitions) on my player, when I had a 256MB MMC only
21:31:01amiconnMade 3 partitions on the player, and selected support for 3 volumes
21:31:27Mikachushould everything work fine if i created a third fat partition on a nano and enabled multivolume?
21:31:36amiconnYes it should
21:31:41Mikachui don't remember if i asked that before or if i only thought about it
21:31:43Mikachuokay, thanks
21:31:54amiconnYou can also enable fat16 support, and have one fat16 and one fat32 partition
21:32:02Mikachucould be temporary storage, with the space between the boot partition and the main partition
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21:32:09Mikachu60MB is a lot on a nano :)
21:32:29Mikachui know that space could be overwritten by the apple os which is why i don't want to extend the main partition there
21:33:12amiconnJust be careful that the 'right' partition becomes your root - rockbox walks the partition table in order
21:33:45Mikachuit would be the third partition, but physically start before the second which is the main one
21:34:04Mikachui had it set up like that with ipl, but i guess rockbox would ignore the ext3 partition in any case
21:34:56amiconnyes
21:35:46Mikachui can't try it before i reboot, but i don't want to do that right now
21:36:09amiconnRockbox walks the partition table in order, and tries to mount every partition as fat32 (and fat16, if support is enabled). If it fails, it moves on, until it either mounted as many partitions as defined for multivolume, or the partition table ends
21:36:47amiconnIt doesn't care about the partition type, so it even mounts 'hidden' fat partitions
21:38:39XavierGrIs there an iPod target that has USBOTG?
21:39:45Mikachuhave you seen the nike+ipod thing? it made me laugh
21:39:50Mikachuhttp://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/
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21:40:34peturwhy?
21:40:43peturwill be a hit
21:40:50amiconnAh, I forgot: If the partition table ends, and rockbox still couldn't mount anything, it finally tries superfloppy mode
21:41:32Mikachuit looks like they don't recommend running with a harddisk based ipod either
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21:42:40Mikachupetur: no particularly rational reason
21:43:33peturthe potential (which apple will never see) for specialized training software
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21:45:35sharpehallo!
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21:55:27scorche`amiconn: finished bubbles on archos the other day =)
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22:00:59sharpeguess what sharpe finished the other day!
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22:08:16Mikachusharpe: one of five emulators?
22:10:01sharpe:)
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22:10:05XavierGrsharpe: when are you going to submit a patch?
22:10:08sharpeactually, i didn't finish anything.
22:10:13sharpeXavierGr: for which?
22:10:37XavierGranything: C64, SIDE or things like that...
22:10:43sharpei don't know..
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22:11:06Mikachui don't think he really does anything, he's just pretending so we'll like him
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22:11:23XavierGrhehe
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22:11:29XavierGrmaybe who knows
22:11:46sharpeyeah, i make those screenshots from scratch
22:11:59sharpe:)
22:12:03Mikachuphotoshopped from another emu to the sim
22:12:08sharpeexactly.
22:12:16sharpeyou've discovered me
22:12:22Mikachuyes, there you are etc
22:12:24XavierGrsharpe: you should just leave us with our mouths open with a patch :P
22:12:40sharpei will, this weekend
22:12:56XavierGrok, looking forward for it!
22:13:01sharpe:)
22:13:07sharpeit'll be the SIDE one
22:13:33sharpei've just got to fix that little cpu problem, and add coloring, and other misc. things
22:14:41sharpebut, i'll be back later
22:19:58sharpeso.. bye... everyone...
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22:33:56XavierGrhaha
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22:45:34solexxdid someone already report the dircache failure today?
22:45:51solexxOn booting up, I get the "scanning disk" message and then
22:45:58solexxFailure! Result: -2
22:46:03solexxiriver h120
22:46:29preglowmany files?
22:46:40solexxprobably
22:46:46preglowhow many?
22:46:48solexxwait a minute
22:47:22solexxincluding directories?
22:47:54solexx$ find iriver/ | wc -l
22:47:56solexx6778
22:48:12solexx$ find iriver/ -type f | wc -l
22:48:12solexx5676
22:48:55solexxDo you want to suggest moving my svn working copy out of the way? :)
22:49:30solexxgood idea, it worked! :)
22:49:40preglowhahaha
22:49:43preglowcheck dircache debug
22:49:47preglowhow much space does it take now?
22:49:55preglowit almost sounds like dircache ran out of space
22:49:59amiconndircache boogs....
22:50:15*Mikachu dances the dircache boogie
22:50:24solexxCache size: 271889
22:50:42solexxLimit: 6291456
22:51:44solexxthis was with 4403 files and directories
22:51:55preglowhmm
22:51:56preglowweird
22:51:58preglowplenty of space left
22:52:09preglow6 megs limit
22:52:09preglowhahaha
22:52:13preglowthat should do
22:52:37preglowi've got 4k files muyself
22:52:40preglowworks just ggrrreat
22:52:41sharpehmm...
22:52:44solexxI am trying again with more files
22:53:16sharpeit must mean something when my google homepage has all the items labeled, "Information is temporarily unavailable" and there's fifteen of them...
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22:54:01Mikachuit means your internet is unwell
22:55:07sharpeor it's just a stroke of luck that every single content item's host is offline...
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23:00:43solexxhm, with 5700+ files I don't get the failure message anymore
23:01:01solexxinstead tagcache silently doesn't work
23:01:09preglowgr8
23:02:38solexxstrange
23:02:49solexxdisable, reboot, enable, reboot helped
23:04:53solexxi hate this strange current that's going through my iriver when it is charging
23:08:36preglowyou hate the charging current?
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23:09:31solexxno, the current that I can feel from the case itself
23:09:52solexxit is even in the official iriver faq that this device does it
23:09:52Mikachuthat would be a bad thing
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23:10:18solexxmost of the time it is not strong
23:10:25solexxsometimes I don't feel it at all
23:10:39solexxbut today... maybe the bad wheather or my wet hands...
23:11:03Mikachuwet skin has much much lower impedance than dry skin
23:11:15solexxwhatever that means. :)
23:11:27crashdi got that from my h10 too
23:11:31crashdbad cables or something, i guess
23:11:50solexxmaybe it is also related to the leather case
23:12:02solexxI am not sure whether the power plug is inserted completely
23:12:29solexxargh, iriver took the h100 series from their site
23:12:57solexxidiots
23:14:22Mikachuweb.archive.org maybe
23:14:48solexxah, it's still in google's index
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23:20:25peturamiconn: the 25C02 eeprom uses CS signalling, not addressing. I don't see the CS mentioned in the wiki, so maybe we're asserting that pin and writing eeprom
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23:20:33solexxactually, it's not
23:21:24solexxHah!
23:21:48solexxhttp://www.iriver.com/html/support/faq/sufq_view.asp?searchProductIdx=&searchString=current&page=1&idx=9&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchString=
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23:24:08Paul_The_NerdAnyone around know if there's any way to trace which build servers did which dailies for say, a specific target across the last couple weeks?
23:26:01peturI know you can click on the number next to the cvs build
23:26:17Paul_The_NerdYeah, but that's CVS builds
23:26:34Paul_The_NerdI'm wondering if the 4G freezing thing is compiler related. I have at least one person saying that when he makes his own builds, they don't freeze.
23:26:41BagderPaul_The_Nerd: the dailies are made on the same (master) server always
23:26:45Paul_The_NerdAnd I'm almost _sure_ that linuxstb compiles his own.
23:26:49peturoh... dailies...
23:27:31Paul_The_NerdBagder: Hmm.... Well, that solves that question right there, thanks. I was wondering if it might be slightly different compiler versions, or something else, but if that's the case it kinda can't be. :)
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23:28:18Bagderarm-elf-gcc −−version
23:28:18Bagderarm-elf-gcc (GCC) 4.0.2
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23:28:50Paul_The_NerdBagder: The thing is, there are a couple known "good" builds. Though actually, even those freeze, just not as much.
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23:29:04Bagderaha
23:29:42*petur needs LinusN :(
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23:30:47Paul_The_NerdBut if I recall, they just freeze later, rather than not freezing at all. I'll gather more information. There's freezing on Minis (1g and 2g) and both 4G Color and Grayscale. So you'd _think_ that Amiconn or Linuxstb would have it happening to them.
23:31:08amiconnI never had a freeze on my mini g2...
23:32:42*amiconn uses arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3
23:33:16amiconnBut I suspect a bug somewhere in the ipod builds. It clearly hits when optimising the core with either -O2 or -Os
23:34:14amiconnDoing this for coldfire and sh1 doesn't cause problems (since I fixed them). For sh1, -Os is even standard since a few weeks back...
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23:38:34preglowi suspect a bug in gcc
23:38:38*preglow kicks gcc
23:40:22amiconnI don't - this time
23:40:46preglowwhere does the error occur again?
23:41:07amiconnBuilds done with -O2 or -Os are very unstable
23:41:34amiconnI suspect some asm block not declaring all scratch registers, or something like that
23:41:51peturamiconn: seen my comment about the eeprom earlier? It could be we're asserting the CS of the eeprom without knowing
23:41:53preglownot impossible
23:41:59amiconnThis was the reason on both coldfire and sh1 (in the ata driver, caused by me :/ )
23:42:33preglowasserting cs should not be enough to write
23:42:34amiconnThese problems tend to show up when there's more inlining
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23:43:10amiconnpetur: Are you sure that the eeprom doesn't have several modes, one of which is preset in the iriver?
23:43:48amiconnIf it's hooked up to the same lines, it pretty much has to use i2c - and i2c defines no CS (afaik)
23:44:58peturtrue, after cs it needs a valid command
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23:45:38amiconnIt also needs a device address
23:46:02peturhmmmm
23:46:06amiconnOtherwise other devices on the bus could mistake a command for the eeprom as their device address
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23:47:11peturaccording to the datasheet the eeprom is an SPI device -> no addressing but uses CS
23:47:26peturunless the wiki is wrong
23:47:46preglowwhat, an spi device connected the the i2c bus?
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23:58:06AghasterIs anybody working on porting rockbox to the H10 iriver player?
23:58:12preglownopes
23:58:17preglowno developer with one has come forth yet
23:58:21petureither the eeprom pic in the wiki is from another device or there are h300's with different eeproms...
23:58:22Aghasterk

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