Previous day | Jump to hour: 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 | Next day

Seconds: Show Hide | Joins: Show Hide | View raw
Font: Serif Sans-Serif Monospace | Size: Small Medium Large

Click in the nick column to highlight everything a person has said.
The Logo icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).

Notice: Only Gecko based browsers prior to FF4 support the multipart/mixed "server push" method used by this log reader to auto-update. Since you do not appear to use such a browser, this page will simply show the current log, and not automatically update.

#rockbox log for 2006-05-29

00:00:32i-petur: thanks ^^
00:00:40i-I'll try with that
00:02:15preglowanyway, i need to sleep
00:02:16preglowlater
00:02:17peturimho: releasing a version that has shortcomings is bad for the reputation
00:02:37amiconnYes, but extending the freeze doesn't help either
00:02:49peturno it isn't :/
00:02:49amiconnWe extended for 2 weeks, and not much has happened...
00:02:58amiconn4 weeks in total
00:03:04 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-2-146.tn.glocalnet.net)
00:03:45peturwell Linus and lostlogic haven't had the time they need to get some stuff cleared up :(
00:05:26i-bye ^^
00:05:28 Quit i- ()
00:07:47 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@pool-71-96-216-241.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net)
00:08:20peturamiconn: does the ATA driver boost already?
00:08:34amiconnNope
00:09:04peturhmmmm saving to disk needs boosting (20+ seconds now)
00:09:13amiconnFor recording?
00:09:16amiconnugh
00:09:25peturyes, the unboosted recording
00:09:56amiconn1.5MB/sec
00:10:28*amiconn wonders why coldfire ata is so sucking slow
00:10:55amiconnEven archos ata is *way* faster - at 1/4 the cpu clock
00:11:03 Quit n42 ("...")
00:14:21 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
00:16:43peturhahaha....
00:16:58peturfound the reason of my strange recording experience
00:17:25peturthe discman I'm using seems to have some memory thing to resume where you left off
00:17:51peturno wonder I'm getting missing parts of songs...
00:20:46 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:20:54peturamiconn: unboosted recording seems ok, writing to disk could use some boosting. Will test more tomorrow
00:22:06 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
00:22:32 Quit ACK54W ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )")
00:23:22 Quit petur ("Zzzz")
00:23:34 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-215.VIC.netspace.net.au)
00:23:45 Join aghaster [0] (n=aghaster@modemcable240.73-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)
00:27:15 Quit aghaster (Client Quit)
00:27:21 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:27:24 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
00:43:04 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-212-125.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
00:43:36sharpeanyone know offhand, the width of the default font characters?
00:43:47midkaysysfixed? 6x8, iirc..
00:43:52midkayyeah.
00:43:57sharpealright.
00:44:28sharpei'm playing around with the bootloader source.
00:45:31midkayfascination has partially ensued.
00:45:57sharpei've achieved level 18 on the ritualist of mine.
00:46:40midkaygrats.
00:46:52sharpeyep.
00:48:26 Quit ashridah ("Leaving")
00:50:18 Join thearchive [0] (n=thearchi@ip68-6-247-32.sd.sd.cox.net)
00:50:48 Quit ivan` (Connection reset by peer)
00:51:38 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:51:41 Join ivan` [0] (i=Default@wikipedia/ivan)
00:52:00thearchivei'm trying to install rockbox on my Ipod video and everything seemed to go okay with the install except when I boot I get "Rockbox error -5' lodiang original firmware
00:52:06Xinux7 to the right, 2 up, A Green Button;; 1122 Green 5;; Click Z on Bottle, Giant Chart, pick Blue 4
00:53:30obothearchive: -5 I think means the rockbox.ipod file is corrupt - try extracting the zip again
00:54:24thearchivei jsut downlaoded the latest zip, moved it onto the ipod, used terminal to go to the directory, used the UNZIP rockbox.zip and it appeared fine. I will try again
00:57:49sharpehmmm... aren't the sleep functions available to the bootloader? i've just had an idea...
01:00
01:00:05thearchivethat worked
01:00:42thearchivelisteing to my first FLAC on my ipod
01:04:50 Quit thearchive ("http://OiNK.me.uk")
01:06:09 Quit anathema (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
01:09:17 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01:14:11Mikachuwhy would you have the url to an invite-only tracker in your quit message?
01:14:39qwmmidkay
01:14:55Xinuxcomputer suicide.
01:16:25 Quit tim66 (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
01:17:20 Join Murmur2k [0] (n=Murmur2k@ACD5E379.ipt.aol.com)
01:19:41 Quit Kohlrabi ("Hello my name is CoolClonk .")
01:26:39XavierGrmarkun: what? Even iriver targets don't have a dsp? I really shouldn't talk for things I don't know. :) (But what's that thingie that we sent uncompressed PCM to output audio?)
01:27:21 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!")
01:30:11Murmur2kAnybody know if its possible to convert ALAC to FLAC?
01:31:04 Join patterson [0] (n=null@dialup-4.243.103.156.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net)
01:35:07 Quit ]Maggie[ ("Lost terminal")
01:43:39 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
01:44:11MikachuMurmur2k: just decode to wav and encode, they're both lossless
01:44:53***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:50:17Murmur2kThanks, its ok I found dBPoweramp converts maintaining tags etc
01:53:38AntiochMurmur2k or you can try this http://craz.net/programs/itunes/alac.html
02:00
02:11:26Murmur2kThanks
02:11:43Murmur2kWhich is a better format ALAC or FLAC?
02:11:44qwm<ooze> take a hot swedish chick from behind, bend over to her ear. and whisper "i have aids", then try to keep your penis inside of her.
02:11:47qwm<ooze> thats swedish rodeo.
02:15:19 Quit lodesi_ ("Leaving")
02:16:18 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com)
02:17:04 Part pixelma
02:43:47 Quit midkay ("Leaving")
02:43:49 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
02:48:42 Part Paul_The_Nerd
02:48:49 Quit Murmur2k ()
02:51:38sharpelets see...
02:52:40sharpethey said 'fag' on nickelodeon!!
02:53:17sharpethose two sentences didn't go together...
02:53:25midkayhaha. what?!
02:53:27midkayWHAT?! go on.
02:53:47 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au)
02:54:03 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@e176107197.adsl.alicedsl.de)
02:54:22sharpeeh, the button functions in the ipod bootloader only seem to work for, one button press... :)
02:54:33ScorpiusH120 for you all!
02:54:44Scorpiusthis network (freenode) seems interesting.
02:56:15Mikachusharpe: it samples the button state at one point in time
02:57:04sharpekey_pressed(), or opto_keypad_read()?
03:00
03:01:55XavierGr'fag' on nickelodeon, really?
03:02:55Xinuxhttp://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/handeye.php
03:02:58Mikachusharpe: the bootloader doesn't have interrupts enabled and all that, so supporting button presses is fickle
03:03:01Xinuxtake the hand eye coordination test
03:03:38MikachuXinux: that's not one of those where it shows a picture of dead goats after 10 seconds with a loud noise is it?
03:03:45Xinuxno
03:03:52Xinuxdead goats ftw ?
03:03:55 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
03:04:41XavierGrHAHAH ROFLMAO
03:04:46Xinuxlmao
03:04:51Xinuxdid you do it xavier ?
03:04:59XavierGrgood thing that id didn't had my headphone on
03:05:00XavierGryup
03:05:02Mikachui guess there are some unexpected side effects after all
03:05:10Xinuxit scared the shit out of me
03:05:11XinuxO.O
03:05:18Mikachuyou are what's wrong with the internet
03:05:37XavierGrit would scare me too, if I had the headphones on... :x
03:05:55XavierGrthere was another cool one like this
03:06:12Mikachusee, i even asked you about it and you lied to me
03:06:13XavierGrI made a friend of mine play it, it was so hilarious, he was so scared XD
03:07:09XavierGrI want to donwload this....
03:10:20 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
03:11:02JdGordonhas any1 done the internal usb-otg mod to a us h300?
03:11:46 Nick _Lucretia is now known as _Lucretia_ (n=munkee@62.56.101.193)
03:12:34XinuxMikachu: you asked if there were "dead goats with loud noises"
03:12:45 Join _patterson [0] (n=null@dialup-4.243.99.19.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net)
03:13:17Mikachu"one of those"...
03:13:38Mikachuat any rate, it's not funny and not in this channel
03:14:32Xinuxits meant to be amusing
03:14:49XavierGrMikachu: come on it was a little bit amusing :p
03:16:31Xinuxjesus christ!
03:16:37Mikachudunno, i didn't look at it
03:18:46 Quit _patterson ()
03:20:34 Join _patterson [0] (n=null@dialup-4.243.99.19.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net)
03:21:54 Quit ivan` (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference")
03:30:56 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
03:34:11 Quit patterson (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
03:36:51 Quit XavierGr ("Ja ne!")
03:38:11 Join webguest51 [0] (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se)
03:39:10 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
03:39:59 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
03:44:56***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:46:25webguest51so why can't i join any other channels from here, btw?
03:47:42 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com)
03:50:56Mikachuprecaution
03:51:13webguest51?
03:51:17 Nick webguest51 is now known as Falco98 (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se)
03:51:24Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: like the new forum...
03:51:26midkayif you're doing any more than asking very simple quick one-time questions, you should probably get a real irc client..
03:51:43MikachuFalco98: against abuse
03:51:51Falco98ah
03:51:58Falco98as in, i was on an unregistered nick?
03:52:06Falco98or because my lazy butt still uses the web client?
03:52:10sharpesecond one
03:52:16Mikachuweb irc clients never let you join any but a predefined set
03:52:18Mikachuof channels
03:52:22Falco98aw.
03:52:25Falco98sux04
03:52:27 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net)
03:53:06Falco98the ironic thing is, i've been an on-and-off mIRC user for more than 8 years, but can't bring myself to fire it up and mess with it :-P
03:53:14Falco98maybe i'll check out chatZilla
03:53:32Xinuxn64 emulator for rockbox
03:53:39sharpewhat about it?
03:53:39Falco98lol
03:53:50JdGordonany1 taking bets on weather rb is released today? (toorow for some of u) ?
03:53:50Xinuxlmao, just dreaming about it
03:54:05Falco98hehe
03:54:10JdGordonXinux: ive got a PS3 emulator almost finished
03:54:15Falco98how much of the "critical to-do" did they get done?
03:54:17sharpethree keys away from the c64 emulator i had worked on.
03:54:18XinuxO.o
03:54:20Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Well with the number of iPod users, it was just more convenient to stuff them into boxes so I don't have to ask "So, which iPod do you have" first for every support request. :-P
03:54:30sharpeQwerty keyboard layouts, anyway.
03:54:49Falco98Paul_The_Nerd: actually i meant the "new ports" area, since i was griping about it in that one thread last week...
03:54:57sharpePaul_The_Nerd: why am i a Rockbox Expert? :)
03:55:44Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Honestly, because you were in the channel when I was creating the group, and I needed someone for it, and knew that even though you don't actually _post_ (or didn't until I made you one) you'd probably qualify as one if you did.
03:55:57sharpescore me! heh...
03:56:24Paul_The_NerdFalco98: Ah yes. That seemed like a very important thing to do, so people don't keep asking for the same new port over and over, and not realizing there are other people interested in it.
03:56:35Xinuxdamnit im so fuckin bored
03:56:54newbyx86Neat.
03:56:55newbyx86"data abort"
03:56:59Paul_The_NerdOoooh
03:57:03Paul_The_NerdUnder what conditions?
03:57:03newbyx86"at 00048580"
03:57:08newbyx86I was listening to music. :(
03:57:14Paul_The_NerdWith a 5G?
03:57:19newbyx86iPod photo.
03:57:21Paul_The_Nerd4G
03:57:22Paul_The_NerdGotcha
03:57:38newbyx86I had to get out a little light to read it too. Hehe.
03:58:20Paul_The_NerdThat's the other prominent but difficult to track down bug.
03:58:30Paul_The_NerdYou didn't happen to compile yourself did you?
03:58:36newbyx86I did compile myself.
03:58:40Paul_The_NerdOooh
03:58:47Paul_The_NerdTell me you haven't already cleaned up the build directory?
03:58:51newbyx86I don't think I have.
03:58:52newbyx86I left it.
03:59:06Paul_The_NerdOkay, there should be a... umm... something.map file in it. I honestly can't remember where.
03:59:24Paul_The_NerdYou can actually look up what that address corresponds to (or give it to me, and I can do it for you, if you're feeling lazy)
03:59:29newbyx86There is a list of .map files.
03:59:36newbyx86newby@impaler:~/space/iPodCrap/rockbox-devel/build$ find . -name *.map
03:59:36newbyx86./apps/rockbox.map
03:59:36newbyx86./apps/codecs/vorbis.map
03:59:36newbyx86./apps/codecs/mpa.map
03:59:39Paul_The_NerdJust rockbox.map
03:59:42newbyx86Mmk.
04:00
04:00:07newbyx86E486: Pattern not found: 00048580
04:00:11Paul_The_NerdYeah
04:00:27Paul_The_NerdYou're looking for the largest address that is less than or equal to that number
04:00:38newbyx86 0x000484b8 set_cpu_frequency
04:00:39newbyx86 .text.system_init
04:00:39newbyx86 0x00048598 0x5c /home/jklinect/space/iPodCrap/rockbox-devel/build/librockbox.a(system.o)
04:00:43newbyx8600484b8
04:00:49newbyx86set_cpu_frequency
04:00:52Paul_The_NerdGotcha
04:00:58Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: You around?
04:01:18newbyx86I had to compile myself to disable automatic USB detection. :)
04:01:32Paul_The_NerdRight. I should've remembered that
04:02:24JdGordoncan any1 tihnk of a button combo that i have missed in this list that is used in rockbox? button short press, long press, double press, more than 1 button press?
04:02:51Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: Well, that at least confirms where the freeze is taking place, it seems.
04:03:07Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Short then long?
04:03:27JdGordonany others?
04:03:34Paul_The_NerdDunno
04:03:37newbyx86Paul_The_Nerd, glad to hear I could help out somewhat. :p
04:05:51 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving")
04:05:58Paul_The_Nerdnewbyx86: It's a common bug (random freezes in music playback on 4th gen iPods, as well as apparently 1st gen Minis) but it's another one of those "little luck actually pinning it down" bugs
04:06:04newbyx86Ahh.
04:06:28newbyx86I have a 1st gen mini too. :P
04:06:49Paul_The_Nerdheh
04:07:04 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.5.146.novuscom.net)
04:09:46 Part zivan56
04:10:04 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.5.146.novuscom.net)
04:11:41 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
04:14:35zivan56has anyone here messed around with the PortalPlayer PP5024 SoC?
04:17:56zivan56would like to get the sansa e2xx running with this, as its quite similar to the iPod mini 2g...
04:21:08 Part midkay ("Leaving")
04:21:37 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
04:21:48 Quit _patterson (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04:31:55 Join wibbix [0] (n=wibbix@CPE-24-167-251-142.wi.res.rr.com)
04:47:46 Quit Falco98 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
04:53:07JdGordonbutton on in the sim is + isnt it?>
04:54:36sharpewhich button?
04:54:41JdGordonon
04:54:43JdGordonplay
04:54:49sharpei think so
04:54:51 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
04:55:09 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
04:55:25Xinuxwtf! theres a sub in my program1
04:55:32Xinuxbetter eat it!
04:56:35newbyx86lol
04:57:44sharpesubs are good
04:57:55Xinuxespecially in programs
04:57:58newbyx86ints are better
04:58:00newbyx86they're like ants.
04:58:01newbyx86but not.
04:58:06Xinuxintelligence
04:58:06Xinuxlmao
04:58:14newbyx86public int should be 0.
04:58:14newbyx86:(
04:58:21Xinuxcout!
04:58:25newbyx86cin
04:58:27newbyx86omg don't cin
04:58:33Xinux='(
04:58:34newbyx86cinning is against my religion
04:58:43newbyx86cerrrr
04:58:46newbyx86kinda like "durrrr" but not.
05:00
05:00:02Xinuxnewbyx86: you program C++ correct ?
05:00:42 Join Red-Sox [0] (n=_Red-Sox@unaffiliated/red-sox)
05:00:45Red-Soxhi
05:00:57Red-Soxdoes rockbox have video?
05:00:59sharpeHi! Hello! How are You?!
05:01:01sharpeno!
05:01:06Red-Soxah
05:01:09sharpeyep.
05:01:26Red-SoxSo, what does it do better?
05:01:31Xinuxi want an official release of podzilla to come out
05:01:37sharpesupported audio formats.
05:01:39 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD003CD.ipt.aol.com)
05:01:45sharpeplugins, etc...
05:02:10sharpehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
05:02:32 Quit _Veseliq_ (Remote closed the connection)
05:02:39Red-SoxDang i need video on my photo
05:02:58Red-SoxWAIT
05:03:05Red-Soxdoes it make it work with WMP11?
05:04:39Paul_The_NerdIt turns it into a USM Mass Storage-compatible player, with a much larger format support.
05:04:46Paul_The_NerdUSB, not USM
05:04:49 Quit Red-Sox (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
05:05:20 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210)
05:08:44 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@203-97-71-181.dsl.clear.net.nz)
05:08:57newbyx86Xinux, I prefer C. Why?
05:09:29Xinuxwhats a good compiler/editor
05:09:35Xinuxfor c++
05:09:52JdGordong++ and vim :p
05:13:50ScorpiusI haven't checked all the options but do Rockbox have a way to move/copy files?
05:13:58Scorpius'cos I have a "playlists" subfolder
05:14:05Scorpiusbut when I create a new playlists it creates it on the root
05:14:17JdGordonyes, u can copy/cut styuff around
05:14:19Scorpiusso then I have to plug the mp3 player to move all the playlists to my "playlists" folder
05:14:29Scorpiusoh really? I could RTFM but the link is down.
05:14:40JdGordonwhat player?
05:14:47ScorpiusiRiver H120
05:14:56newbyx86g++ :)
05:14:59newbyx86and vim
05:14:59newbyx86wow
05:15:01newbyx86JdGordon = genius
05:15:02JdGordonok, hold down the middle button and go copy then paste
05:15:02newbyx86;)
05:15:15Scorpiuslet's see
05:15:33Scorpiusamazing
05:15:51Scorpiusit seems you thought about everything
05:17:13 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
05:19:38 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (i=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
05:20:13 Join patterson [0] (n=null@dialup-4.243.100.48.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net)
05:22:44 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
05:25:44 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving")
05:25:51 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
05:25:56midkayhey, Paul_The_Nerd?
05:26:03Paul_The_NerdYes?
05:26:21midkayas an admin on the forums, do you have the ability to change account usernames?
05:26:36Paul_The_NerdI do not know.
05:26:43Paul_The_NerdI would imagine I can
05:26:49midkaycould you check?
05:26:54Paul_The_NerdYes, I can
05:27:21Paul_The_NerdI can change the display name (so the login name is the same) or change the username (which will reset your password, and mail it to you)
05:27:34 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to)
05:28:08midkayhm.
05:28:16midkaycould you change my username to 'midkay'?
05:29:10Paul_The_NerdOkay, done
05:29:22BHSPitLappyany news on the freeze?
05:30:30midkaytomorrow is the absolute deadline, last i heard..
05:31:37midkayPaul_The_Nerd, perfect.. thanks a lot. :)
05:40:21 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.")
05:41:15 Quit Xinux ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
05:41:46 Join Xinux [0] (i=xinux6@71-81-252-96.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com)
05:44:13Xinuxwtfzorz
05:44:58***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:49:36BHSPitLappyumm, bless you?
05:50:01Xinuxeh
05:50:16Xinuxi compile my program, and it just shuts off as soon as i run it
05:50:36BHSPitLappyoh
05:50:38BHSPitLappyyeah, bless you.
05:50:50Xinux-_-
05:55:06 Join RDS001 [0] (n=RDS001@CPE00d05905c770-CM000a73a13cc8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
05:56:43 Quit RDS001 (Client Quit)
06:00
06:07:51Scorpiushehe
06:10:18 Quit patterson ()
06:13:07qwm:>
06:13:14Xinuxgrr
06:13:14qwmBagder
06:13:17qwmare you there?
06:13:26Xinuxthis is annoying, whenever the program finishes its operation, it just closes
06:14:36 Quit midkay ("Leaving")
06:14:40 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
06:15:08 Quit midkay (Client Quit)
06:15:11 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay)
06:25:53 Quit zivan56 (Remote closed the connection)
06:25:56 Join zivan56 [0] (n=not@64.46.5.146.novuscom.net)
06:26:29 Quit zivan56 (Client Quit)
06:35:18 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)
06:43:45 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
06:54:43 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.90.76)
07:00
07:11:15 Part Paul_The_Nerd
07:20:03 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com)
07:31:32daurn|laptop.
07:32:08BHSPitLappy,
07:32:17BHSPitLappygo back to your PSP.
07:35:18Scorpiusheh
07:37:47Xinuxdamn c++ is so fckin easy
07:39:28 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
07:40:35 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-4-68.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr)
07:44:59***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
07:46:25BHSPitLappycout << "pee pee\n";
07:50:57 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-134-212-125.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
07:53:20 Part Paul_The_Nerd
07:53:52 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se)
08:00
08:07:19 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp125-34.adsl.forthnet.gr)
08:17:06 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@125.23.48.113)
08:24:39 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@CBL217-132-110-191.bb.netvision.net.il)
08:25:51 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-174.VIC.netspace.net.au)
08:27:47XinuxBHSPitLappy: you there ?
08:30:43 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com)
08:37:12JdGordonhaha the birthdate on the forums doesnt work :D
08:37:46Paul_The_NerdHm?
08:38:16JdGordondoesnt let me put my correct dbay in
08:38:22JdGordonbday*
08:38:38Paul_The_NerdWhat is it doing wrong?
08:39:07JdGordoni put in 1985-20-01 it changes it to 1986-08-01 !
08:39:18B4gder20-01 ?
08:39:23Paul_The_NerdAaah
08:39:25B4gderthink iso date
08:39:43JdGordonhaha, brain no worky today
08:40:04JdGordoni even looked to make sure it was mm-dd but filled int he wrong boxes :p
08:40:06*JdGordon idiot
08:40:40 Quit Noah0504 ("Leaving")
08:40:45JdGordonanywho.... rb 0.3 today?
08:41:27midkayi think that was about four years ago.
08:41:40midkayyour head is indeed messed up datewise.
08:41:45JdGordonmy brain really is in reverse today sint it?
08:41:47JdGordon3.0
08:41:49JdGordonfark
08:47:58 Join B4gd3r [0] (n=daniel@213.115.255.230)
08:49:00amiconnThe very first rockbox release was called 1.0
08:49:13midkayamiconn, unfortunately for me :)
08:50:41*midkay is attempting a new credits roll
08:53:22Paul_The_NerdWhat will be different about it?
08:53:33amiconnBut 1.0 was indeed ~4 years ago
08:53:59amiconnIf we still do not release today, perhaps the 4th anniversary of 1.0 would be a nice date to release 3.0
08:54:22amiconnThat would be June 2nd - Friday
08:54:26midkayPaul_The_Nerd, i based it on the clock credits roll.. instead of the text sliding up like a movie, individual lines fly in from the left until the LCD is filled, and then each one flies out to the right until the LCD is empty. that's how it works now anyways.
08:54:35midkayamiconn, hey, pretty cool..
08:54:42midkaymight be worth the couple-day wait..
08:54:53B4gd3ramiconn: sounds like a plan!
08:54:59midkayalso considering this is the biggest rockbox milestone since 1.0 :)
08:55:09midkaynew targets, swcodec, the works..
08:55:25Paul_The_NerdWhat was it that rolled over from 1.x to 2.0?
08:55:40midkayrecording is the only major feature i can think of..
08:56:00amiconnNothing very special afaik - but then 2.0 was the first rockbox version I ever used
08:56:03midkayi think 2.0->2.1 should have been the 2.0 rollover (e.g. 1.5 -> 2.0) - but the plugin loader wasn't anticipated..
08:56:21midkayoh, and 2.1 also marked "rockbox in flash" on archos.
08:56:48*B4gd3r remembers lots of harsh words on the rockbox 1.0 release on slashdot
08:57:50markunXavierGr: it's called DAC :)
08:58:18midkaywow.
08:58:31midkaythis is looking pretty cool if i may say so myself. :)
08:58:38midkaynow new lines fly in in place of the old ones..
08:59:48B4gd3rsounds like a neat way
09:00
09:00:00 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at)
09:00:31midkayB4gd3r, didn't you write the current sine-scroll mabobby thing?
09:00:37B4gd3rI did
09:01:10amiconnmidkay: I hope that it works correctly wrt utf-8, that it will be readable on the H1x0 display (text needs to stop shortly because the LCD is teh slowness), and that you didn't forget the player (or kept the old scroller for it)
09:01:31midkayamiconn, this is even better for H1x0 because the lines completely stop for .. several seconds..
09:01:38midkayand i didn't touch the player scroller, either.
09:01:44 Quit B4gder (Nick collision from services.)
09:01:50 Nick B4gd3r is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@213.115.255.230)
09:02:18amiconnWell, the lines could fly in on the player as well, but that's probably not a good idea because most names don't fit on a line,
09:02:29amiconnso they wouldn't be readable when the stop
09:02:36midkayamiconn, in fact a name should stay on the lcd for.. depends on the user's font.. but a reasonable one e.g. 10-12px high.. probably 4-7 seconds..
09:02:51amiconnaha
09:02:56B4gderon the recorder too?
09:03:03B4gdersounds awfully slow
09:03:12B4gderwe're reaching 200 names
09:03:14midkayB4gder, but since all the lines are filled..
09:03:14*amiconn would need to see & test it
09:03:18midkaythat's like 7 seconds per screenful..
09:03:25midkayrecorders are smaller, so they move quicker..
09:03:31midkayi have yet to test it on recorder, true.
09:03:45midkaynot quite sure how it will work, i'll check it out and find a solution if it doesn't.. or not commit it. :)
09:03:53B4gder:-)
09:03:57*amiconn has 8 lines of text on recorder & ondio, except with his in-car font selection
09:04:07midkaysame..
09:04:24B4gderand the problem with names that don't fit occur on archos lcds too
09:04:30B4gderI mean bitmap lcds
09:04:40midkayyeah, that's.. dunno..
09:04:55Paul_The_NerdHow does the current scrolling handle names that don't fit?
09:05:03midkayit doesn't..
09:05:05midkaythey're just cut off.
09:05:05B4gderPaul_The_Nerd: it just shows the leftmost part
09:05:10*amiconn wonders whether we should write the names in their native script, i.e. russian names in cyrillic etc
09:05:10 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se)
09:05:17Paul_The_NerdSo, really, it doesn't introduce a new problem, it just preserves an existing one?
09:05:22B4gderyeps
09:05:24Paul_The_NerdOkay
09:05:27midkayright, and i can't think of a good workaround for it.. hmm..
09:05:40amiconnProbably not very feasible
09:05:51midkaypossibly but painfully, the names that are >LCD_WIDTH could fly in to the right edge..
09:05:57Paul_The_NerdAutomatically split long names at word breaks, to take multiple lines?
09:06:11midkaywhen all of them are finished flying in, the >LCD_WIDTH ones could slide over (scroll left) until the left part shows up..
09:06:17midkayand then flying out could continue.
09:06:24amiconnmidkay: Do the names fly out to the opposite side from where they came?
09:06:30midkayamiconn, yeah.
09:06:33Paul_The_NerdOr just tell devs they need shorter names.
09:06:36midkayhaha.
09:06:58Paul_The_Nerd"I'm sorry, your name is statistically likely to not fit on most font sizes, we're unable to accept your code."
09:07:13B4gderbtw, I'll reply to the SanDisk guy's email
09:07:21amiconngoodie
09:07:42Paul_The_NerdSanDisk email?
09:07:43midkayabbreviate!
09:08:07B4gderPaul_The_Nerd: "We are contacting you regarding our interest in your great work at Rockbox.com."
09:08:22Paul_The_NerdIiinteresting.
09:08:27midkaywhat? where? :o
09:08:49B4gder"We wanted to see if your community/team would be interested in creating alternative firmware for the Sansa e200 model?"
09:08:59B4gdermidkay: the committers list
09:09:04Paul_The_NerdI have to wonder, if a manufacturer includes Rockbox on a new player, do you think they'll support Rockbox, or offload that onto you guys?
09:09:13HCloffload.
09:09:16midkayi'm not subscribed. :(
09:09:18HClmaybe support a stable version
09:09:40midkayinteresting idea though.
09:09:49*petur wonders if Paul_The_Nerd could subscribe the committers ml
09:10:20Paul_The_NerdI didn't know there was a committers ml.
09:10:27Paul_The_NerdBut since I'm not a committer :-P
09:11:42muesli|delhisorry for that certainly annoyinh question...but will be v3 released soon *duck*
09:12:06 Quit Xinux ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
09:13:37midkayi think it's june second now, right?
09:13:40 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk)
09:13:45midkayto celebrate the fourth anniversary of 1.0
09:14:24Paul_The_NerdWell there's many hours to decide if we should make it a wee bit more momentous
09:14:53Paul_The_NerdI think since it's the advent of an entirely new era of Rockbox (sorta: software codec support) that may be a good idea.
09:14:58markunpetur: about your commit of the italian lang file: any idea why he changed all the accented chars to ASCII?
09:15:11midkayyeah.
09:15:19midkayfew days' delay.. big deal. :)
09:15:36peturno idea... I don't know Italian language and I just trusted him
09:16:09markunI'm no italian (should have asked my girlfriend) but if he just does it because his favorit font doesn't support it I think the font should be fixed.
09:16:27amiconnmarkun: Maybe he didn't know that he should use ut-8 now
09:16:28amiconn?
09:16:38amiconnBlah, ignore me
09:16:52*petur ignores amiconn :p
09:17:06markunMaybe his editor doesn't use UTF-8 and he thought the chars were wrong
09:17:14markunamiconn: no, you could be right
09:17:27peturamiconn: saw why my recording missed part of the song yesterday?
09:17:29*midkay is once again getting baffled by his own code. sigh.
09:17:47amiconnpetur: Yes.
09:18:27*amiconn wonders why someone doesn't know the features of a device he owns.
09:18:28peturamiconn: don't know if (and how) I should check how much headroom we have with unboosted recording
09:18:52peturamiconn: it was a small switch located *below* the CD
09:18:54amiconnHmm. If you had an spdif source, you could try to record at 96kHz
09:19:08*petur has h340
09:19:44amiconnHmm... if I find some time, I could do that... misusing the recorder as the really flexible spdif source it actually is :)
09:20:19amiconnWhile the MAS is only specified up to 48kHz, it happily generates a 96kHz spdif signal when setting pitch to 200%
09:20:31amiconn(and playing an 48kHz mp3 of course)
09:20:49amiconnShould even work with a .wav and the wavplay plugin
09:21:00amiconnNah, forget it
09:21:15amiconnWe wouldn't be able to deliver the data fast enough to the MAS
09:22:19*amiconn knows what to do
09:23:06amiconnRip a CD track, convert it to 96kHz wav but mark the file 48kHz, then encode with 320kbps. Should sound correct when played at 200% pitch
09:23:27 Join ACK54W [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com)
09:27:37 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN)
09:30:33markunmorning LinusN
09:31:39LinusNmoo
09:33:47mikearthurrning
09:34:06*midkay is becoming more and more baffled and annoyed
09:34:08LinusN:-)
09:34:20midkayno matter what i do to this code, the bug remains.. not a thing changes.. *quad-checks directories etc*
09:34:34mikearthurmidkay: try rebuffing the defibulator matrix
09:34:49midkayi did. twice. :(
09:34:51mikearthuror cache the weasel function
09:34:57midkayah, good idea.
09:35:00midkayWAIT.
09:35:01midkayWAIT.
09:35:09midkay_YES_.
09:35:18mikearthurknew it'd be the weasel function
09:35:36mikearthurits an age old story
09:35:39midkayYES. that did it. progress at last.
09:35:44mikearthurman finds bug
09:35:48mikearthurman fails to fix bug
09:35:48midkaythank you, mikearthur!!
09:35:50midkayhaha.
09:35:54mikearthurman caches weasel function
09:35:56mikearthurman is happy
09:37:04midkaymwahahaha..
09:37:06midkayanother bug quashed.
09:40:17Paul_The_NerdBy the way, the Anniversary vs. Today question should probably be discussed and decided upon very soon, I'd guess.
09:41:02midkayagreed..
09:42:42*midkay crosses fingers for this build of credits.rock to be bugfree
09:43:12JdGordonif your fixing credits.rock can u make it keeps the backlight on or not quit on a button press..
09:43:26midkaywhy not quit on a button press?
09:43:30Paul_The_NerdOne or the other
09:43:35midkayoh. right. misread.
09:43:41midkaybacklight on sounds like a good idea actually.
09:43:48midkayi keep tapping my scroll wheel to see the LCD.
09:44:01JdGordonye, how am i supposed to show off if my name is down the end and the backiight goes off??
09:44:10midkaylovely. it works.
09:44:13midkayJdGordon, hahaha.
09:44:16midkayalright alright.
09:44:27*midkay backlight_set_timeouts
09:44:42peturJdGordon: and any key you press closes the credits :)
09:44:49JdGordonyup
09:45:00***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
09:46:34midkaybacklight 'fixed'.
09:47:07*midkay goes to try it on archos with a nervous expression
09:50:03midkayblast! settings reset for a new build..
09:50:07midkaybtw, i had an idea for this..
09:50:18amiconnDon't forget to reset the backlight timeout, and to ifdef the backlight handling properly
09:50:30midkayif the settings must be reset in case of a new api version or whatever, how about saving a config e.g. /.rockbox/autosave.cfg and then resetting?
09:50:49Paul_The_NerdWell ideally we'd just move to config files only.
09:50:51midkayamiconn, i reset it properly - but what do you mean, ifdef it?
09:50:52Paul_The_NerdOh, that reminds me.
09:51:02midkayPaul_The_Nerd, we can't 'yet' for some reason - but a quick workaround would be nice..
09:51:05JdGordon..or if it was reset.. and there is a /.rockbox/config.cfg file then load it automatically...
09:51:13midkaythis resetting business is bugging me a bit..
09:51:21Paul_The_NerdBy the way, tagnavi.config should be like, named tagdefault.config and copied to tagnavi.config if one isn't present.
09:51:54midkayPaul_The_Nerd, how about tagdefault.config is loaded if and only if tagnavi.config isn't present..
09:52:08Paul_The_NerdThen people would just edit the tagdefault.config
09:52:15Paul_The_NerdAnd then it'd get copied over when they put on a new build.
09:52:18midkaythen they're just idiots :)
09:52:22JdGordonhaha
09:52:24Paul_The_NerdJust like tagnavi.config gets overwritten now
09:52:25midkayah, i see what you mean..
09:52:27midkayright.
09:52:34midkaywell..
09:52:46Paul_The_NerdThe default/example file needs to be separate from the used file, I think
09:52:50midkaymaybe a comment in tagdefault.config saying "do not edit this or your changes will be lost - create a new file" etc.
09:53:16amiconnmidkay: Hmm, it seems you don't need to ifdef. Ondio has no backlight, but it seems the variables & functions associated with it are still there
09:53:27midkayamiconn, ah, good to hear.
09:53:43*midkay tests credits on archos
09:53:59midkayah..
09:54:07midkayworks, but. hm.
09:54:38amiconnIn fact that even makes some sense. Ondio *can* have a backlight. It's a mod, but one prepared by archos
09:54:51midkaycool. :)
09:55:02amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OndioBacklight
09:56:27*amiconn will do this mod to an Ondio soon :)
09:57:20midkayawesome. :)
09:57:28midkayhm... *extends credit delay a bit*
09:57:40*JdGordon just did the tagdefaults.config thingy
09:57:58JdGordon3 tiny changes to tagtree.c
09:58:16midkaywhat is the functionality exactly?
09:58:49JdGordontries to load tagnavi.config, if it doesnt find it or cant load it it loads tagdefaults.config
09:59:01JdGordonjust need to rename tagnavi.config in the zip to tagdefaults
09:59:35midkayi think that if a comment is added in tagdefaults, that's a fine method..
09:59:45Paul_The_NerdIndeed
10:00
10:00:11Paul_The_Nerd"Rename this file to tagnavi.config, or it will be overwritten when you next update your rockbox build"
10:00:24 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de)
10:00:39midkayyeah. like that..
10:00:48daurn|laptop:(
10:00:52daurn|laptopits that midkay guy
10:01:00midkayit's that daurn|laptop guy.
10:01:05daurn|laptopno its not
10:01:07daurn|laptop:S
10:01:10JdGordonim assuming the file will take # for comment lines?
10:01:22midkaydaurn|laptop, shall i get out the screwdriver again, or..?
10:01:37*daurn|laptop hears a hell baron
10:01:40*daurn|laptop runs
10:01:44Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: No clue, honestly
10:02:04midkaylet's hope :)
10:02:11JdGordonSlasheri: u around?
10:02:42JdGordonim not sure it has support for comments..
10:02:57midkayadd support then!
10:03:00Paul_The_NerdHahaha
10:03:04daurn|laptopo fuck
10:03:09*midkay has been working on this credits.c for too long
10:03:12daurn|laptopi here a cyberdemon
10:03:19daurn|laptop*hear
10:03:23daurn|laptopfuck
10:03:31*daurn|laptop heads for the hills
10:03:45 Nick daurn|laptop is now known as daurn|veryVERYfa (i=daurnscr@unaffiliated/daurn)
10:03:45DBUGEnqueued KICK daurn|veryVERYfa
10:03:53 Nick daurn|veryVERYfa is now known as daurn|veryfarawa (i=daurnscr@dsl-202-52-48-092.vic.veridas.net)
10:03:53DBUGEnqueued KICK daurn|veryfarawa
10:04:08midkayfortunately, it seems about done..
10:05:22JdGordonwell.. it doesnt like lines with #.. and i cant see any code looking for comments...
10:05:44 Nick daurn|veryfarawa is now known as daurn|laptop (i=daurnscr@dsl-202-52-48-092.vic.veridas.net)
10:05:44DBUGEnqueued KICK daurn|laptop
10:05:44***Alert Mode level 1
10:06:16Paul_The_NerdAh well.
10:06:39JdGordon... cheer up... hope isnt lost just yet...
10:06:54midkayby god, it's JdGordon [potentially] to the rescue!
10:12:27CtcpIgnored 4 channel CTCP requests in 1 minute and 59 seconds at the last flood
10:12:27*JdGordon fixed it :D
10:13:16Paul_The_NerdHehehe
10:13:19*Paul_The_Nerd cheers
10:13:41JdGordon# Rename this file to tagnavi.config BEFORE editing or you will lose your settings when you update rockbox
10:13:41JdGordon?
10:13:59Paul_The_NerdSounds good enough
10:14:19midkaycool.
10:14:20midkay:)
10:14:52midkayif everyone's cool with that, you don't even need to submit a patch.. *shrugs* i can commit it, or whoever..
10:15:34JdGordonok, well is everyone happy with it?
10:15:45***Alert Mode OFF
10:15:49*midkay hopes to hear from some core devs..
10:16:24JdGordoni dont know how to rename a file for the patch tho.. so u'll have to do that manually...
10:17:04JdGordonno, i think i found it
10:17:16midkaywtf. :(
10:17:30midkayi just did a lot of credits.c cleanup since everything seems to be working alright+ready..
10:17:43midkaytossed some unused variables, switched some to #defines, etc..
10:17:59midkayexpecting a nice drop in size, it ended up .03kb bigger.
10:18:12peturheh
10:18:21JdGordonoh noes... a whole 30bytes...
10:18:29Paul_The_NerdOdd though
10:18:40midkaymaybe i did something else. hm.
10:18:48midkayyeah, i think i did..
10:18:56peturamiconn will be upset ;)
10:18:58midkaychanged from a sleep(HZ*2) to a for-loop :)
10:19:00midkayhahaha.
10:19:34dwihnoisn't the credits a plugin nowadays?
10:19:42midkaydwihno, yeah.
10:19:42B4gderit is
10:19:48 Join Xavier_Web [0] (n=c15c0871@labb.contactor.se)
10:20:00B4gdermidkay: why a for loop?
10:20:09midkayB4gder, button scanning..
10:20:13B4gderwhy not a button_get_tmo() for HZ*2 ?
10:20:17dwihnoSo then, 30 bytes isn't such a big issue :)
10:20:18midkayinstead of a 2s pause, we do 20 1/10s pauses.
10:20:25midkayB4gder, good question :)
10:20:42midkaylet me try that instead..
10:21:16midkaybut before i do, i want you to know that it's a pretty worthless change and that i was about to come up with it myself. i was just too preoccupied with.. er. readjusting it to 2.5 seconds! ;)
10:22:17midkayhey.
10:22:30midkaymoving to the w_tmo call saved back the 30 bytes.
10:22:30midkay:D
10:22:55midkayand it works. good.
10:22:59midkaymerci, B4gder.
10:23:07 Join ender` [0] (i=useless@84.52.165.220)
10:23:28*B4gder bows
10:24:02Xavier_WebBagder: At last I found many good quality voice files from loquendo. Now all that is left is to ensure if it will be legal to host those files here.
10:24:33midkayhm. alright. i think it's done.
10:24:37Xavier_WebBut I am not an expert and I don't have a clue about licenses
10:24:52Xavier_WebMaybe we will have to mail them to ask permission as a non-cmmercial group
10:24:56B4gderXavier_Web: so dig up the license and post to the dev list about it
10:25:02midkayoverall it's slightly quicker on archos and slightly slower on my iPod 5G (the two 'extremes' lcd-size-wise) :)
10:25:08Xavier_Webok
10:25:22B4gdermidkay: yeah, until gigabeat...
10:25:25midkayseems like a fine speed to me, though.. does anyone want to test? B4gder, do you want to test the replacement for your dusty old code? :)
10:25:37midkayB4gder, ah... :)
10:25:39B4gderno time for test atm
10:25:41midkaylet's hope that port fails. :)
10:25:45B4gderhahaha
10:26:10midkaywhoops, all the pcb scans and docs disappeared from the wiki.. oh well.. >:D
10:26:46midkayhm.. i could just commit this and touch it up if there are any objections afterward..
10:26:53*midkay looks around for feedback
10:27:06Xavier_Webmidkay: what are you doing?
10:27:12midkayXavier_Web, new credit roll.
10:27:17midkaynot the biggest of deals :)
10:27:31Xavier_Webah you stole my idea :)
10:27:44Xavier_WebI wanted to do that for some weeks.
10:27:55midkayXavier_Web, what were you going to do? :)
10:27:59midkayhehehe. :)
10:28:07JdGordonok, patch is ready
10:28:10Xavier_Webcan it be controlled (like up or down?)
10:28:32midkayXavier_Web, no..
10:28:41midkayin fact it's no longer up-down in any way :)
10:28:44Xavier_Webah tha would be cool...
10:28:51midkayyeah, it might actually..
10:29:00midkaywell.
10:29:14midkayis docs/CREDITS included with builds? use that instead with the text viewer. :)
10:29:21midkayyou can even use autoscroll to mimic the old way! :)
10:29:29Xavier_Webhehe
10:30:10markunmidkay: why would the gigabeat have a problem with your code?
10:30:20midkaymarkun, it wouldn't.
10:30:24midkayjust might be slower..
10:30:29midkaylots more screen to fill vertically.
10:30:37midkaynot 'that' much, but.. :)
10:30:49markunWhat's the advantage?
10:31:02midkayof?
10:31:07midkaythe new one?
10:31:09markunyour code
10:31:22midkayerm.. nothing.. nicer-looking, i hope. :)
10:31:26midkayjust fun..
10:32:14Paul_The_NerdAnd maybe more readable if the names pause a bit longer overall.
10:32:44midkayPaul_The_Nerd, overall they might be onscreen a bit shorter, but they don't constantly scroll (stay in one position the whole time) so they should be about as/more readable.. hard to say..
10:32:47midkaydepends on model, also.
10:33:01JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5456
10:33:08B4gderI'd guess it is more readable on the h1x0 series
10:33:18B4gderwhich is the one with the worst LCD afaik
10:33:34midkayif anyone here has an h140 maybe they could test it.
10:33:36B4gderI mean worst to read when moving
10:33:41Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yes, so they're onscreen shorter, but pause longer. :-P
10:33:41midkayB4gder, right, i've heard..
10:33:48midkayPaul_The_Nerd, right. :)
10:34:10midkayanybody?
10:34:18 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!")
10:34:22midkayprovide useful feedback? anybody?!
10:34:22midkay:)
10:34:26Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I have an h120.
10:34:28Xavier_Webmidakay I will test it when I get back home
10:34:34Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: But I can't compile
10:34:57Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I need to reboot before VMWare will run properly again, and I can't reboot at the moment.
10:35:09midkayPaul_The_Nerd, h140 is mandatory - the raytraced refractions here increase the plugin size a bit. ;)
10:35:13midkayPaul_The_Nerd, i can send you a binary for latest cvs.
10:35:41Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: That would be fine
10:35:51midkaywant to pm me your email?
10:36:45 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk)
10:46:33 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de)
10:47:53RedBrevaIs there a patch for the reworked credits, I can try it on H140?
10:49:19midkayRedBreva, Paul_The_Nerd just tried it and approves.. i can email it to you if you'd like.
10:49:22Paul_The_NerdWell, it hard-freeze the h140 right now
10:49:31Paul_The_NerdBut that's just because it doesn't actually stop at the end of the credits list
10:49:33midkayit's not *quite* finished (few bugs to fix at the end) but it shows the effect.
10:49:43Paul_The_NerdI'd say half the speed the credits fly on at
10:50:06midkayPaul_The_Nerd, you mean halve the speed?
10:50:10Paul_The_Nerdhalve
10:50:11Paul_The_NerdYes
10:50:18Paul_The_NerdI knew I typed it wrong
10:50:31Paul_The_NerdVerbs, dammit.
10:50:32midkayhaha. i was going to say half.. then i thought.. wait.. :)
10:50:51midkayPaul_The_Nerd, anyways, thanks for the testing+feedback.
10:51:00Paul_The_NerdI like it though
10:51:05Paul_The_NerdMuch more readable overall than the existing one.
10:51:08midkayi'll see what i can do.. since the speed is different on every model, i might need target-specific defines to control the speed.
10:51:12midkaycool. :)
10:51:34midkay*sighs* getting things running consistently across platforms is annoying..
10:51:44midkayit'd be cool if they all had an equally fast LCD driver. :)
10:51:56midkayi'
10:52:30midkayi'm already pushing towards the "too slow" point on iPod 5G. i guess i'll set up some defines.
10:53:04midkayhaha. Paul_The_Nerd, did credits.rock say "Ver. Haha."? :)
10:53:32Paul_The_NerdNo, it reported my version #
10:53:38midkayah, it'
10:53:58midkayah, right.
10:54:22midkayfirst-things-first.. fix the end-of-roll bit..
10:55:06Paul_The_NerdYes
10:55:09Paul_The_NerdThat is quite an important thing there.
10:55:37midkayyeah. simple fix, too, i hope.
10:55:40midkay*tests first fix*
10:55:45midkayof course, first fixes never work, but.. :)
10:56:56midkayah, yes, defines will work wonderfully, i think.
10:57:05*midkay has it all planned out mentally.
10:58:53midkayPaul_The_Nerd, would a longer pause between line-flying sessions help, or is it entirely easily readable as-is?
10:58:58midkayeven just a half-second or second more?
10:59:38midkayi guess with slower animations it'd be even slower than the 'just fine' you rated it last build, so i suppose not.
10:59:59Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: They look great when they stop. It's only while they're moving. They move so fast that you can't even tell that the words fly on. You just sorta see them appear, popping in the list where the previous one was.
11:00
11:00:43midkayPaul_The_Nerd, but when they do stop they're all easily readable - meaning there's enough time to read them?
11:00:53Paul_The_NerdYeah
11:01:14midkayalright.
11:04:58midkayah.
11:05:00midkayso glad you mentioned it.
11:05:18midkaydefines make it look 427.29% better for archos recorder too..
11:06:08midkayPaul_The_Nerd, mind testing another version then?
11:07:34Paul_The_NerdSure thing
11:07:49midkaysent.
11:08:33midkayah, Paul_The_Nerd - beware the end glitch.
11:08:37midkayit doesn't seem fixed.
11:08:50midkaybail out a bit early..
11:09:55Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Looks _great_ for the sliding. The pause once per screen is unnecessary though. You have more than enough time without it now.
11:10:18markunpetur: Just talked to my girlfriend and she told me the accented chars in the italian lang file were correct before the commit..
11:10:28midkayPaul_The_Nerd, excellent. will remove that pause (or shorten it to maybe half-second) - any input on animation? slightly faster/slower at all?
11:10:30 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@124-168-72-203.dyn.iinet.net.au)
11:10:54Paul_The_NerdMaybe _slightly_ faster. It looks really good right now, but overall it feels a bit slow to recycle the whole screen.
11:11:17midkayeven slightly faster with the pause shrunk down to 1/2s?
11:11:24midkaycurrently it's at HZ/35..
11:11:32midkaymaybe i'll move it to HZ/42?
11:11:34midkaylucky numer 42 :)
11:11:36midkaynumber*
11:11:47Paul_The_NerdHehehe
11:12:18midkaymind if i send one last version with HZ/42 and much less pause to double-check that seems just right?
11:12:38Paul_The_NerdSure
11:12:49midkaysent.
11:12:52midkayNO.
11:12:53midkayargh.
11:12:55midkayforgot to recompile.
11:13:06midkayresent the same one. :)
11:13:14Paul_The_Nerdok
11:13:26midkaythere.
11:13:37peturmarkun: no idea why he changed them. I just figured it'd be ok as he seemed to be the maintainer of that file
11:14:07peturmarkun: unless my removal of non-unix lineending screwed up (can't imagine how)
11:14:23 Quit Xavier_Web ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
11:15:53Paul_The_NerdHmmm
11:15:59Paul_The_NerdIs the pause 1/2 second or 2 seconds?
11:16:19midkay1/2, should be.
11:16:24midkayor..
11:16:27midkaydoes it seem the same?
11:16:28peturmarkun: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5454
11:16:40midkaymaybe i recompiled in the wrong dir..
11:16:45*midkay is juggling three compile dirs
11:17:06Paul_The_NerdIt feels like 2 seconds
11:17:07 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving")
11:17:18 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com)
11:17:19midkayPaul_The_Nerd, the difference between 2s and 1/2s should be quite evident.. let me try one more recompile.
11:17:51midkayre-resent.
11:17:57midkayPaul_The_Nerd, thanks for going through all this. :)
11:18:16Paul_The_NerdHey, that's what I did here before I started going at the forums
11:18:29midkayhaha.
11:18:56midkayi love how this looks on the 5G lcd..
11:19:10midkayslightly slowish, but smooth and wiiide :)
11:19:12Paul_The_NerdYeah, now it's 1/2 second
11:19:16midkayah, good.
11:19:32*JdGordon wants to see...
11:19:41midkayJdGordon, soon, young .. erm... padawan. :)
11:19:50JdGordonhehe
11:19:51midkayonly the cool guys get to try this right now. :)
11:19:58*JdGordon cries
11:20:04midkaygo to your room.
11:20:18JdGordonalready there
11:20:26midkaya-a-a! NO BUTS.
11:20:27 Quit Scorpius (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
11:20:36 Join Scorpius [0] (i=Naikel@200.35.220.197)
11:20:39Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Tried it with both very small and fairly large fonts, and it looks pretty good with both.
11:20:54midkayPaul_The_Nerd, nice to hear.. so it seems like a good speed now?
11:21:05 Join Redbreva_ [0] (n=redbreva@host86-134-212-125.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
11:21:07Paul_The_NerdI personally would drop even the 1/2 second delay
11:21:09Paul_The_NerdBut that's just me.
11:21:24midkayextremely small or extremely large fonts could make it a bit hard to view, but for most, it should be fine i think.
11:21:54Paul_The_NerdI _like_ extremely small fonts.
11:22:01midkayi mean ridiculously small. :)
11:22:09midkaywhat's that one? tinyfont-5 or something? :)
11:22:15midkayreally dunno..
11:22:32JdGordon1x1 fonts FTW
11:22:35midkayhaha.
11:22:40midkaytiny-prop-5..
11:22:42midkaywhoa.
11:22:50Paul_The_NerdI just use Rockbox_default
11:22:52Paul_The_NerdIt's just right
11:22:53midkay47 lines on the 5G lcd. :)
11:23:48midkaycool, it even actually works well with huge fonts..
11:25:23midkayPaul_The_Nerd, k, dropped the pause delay.
11:25:25midkaythanks again. :)
11:25:36midkayi'll commit it as soon as i quash that one end-of-roll bug.
11:25:47 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-84-25.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr)
11:26:01*midkay loves doing this kind of thing
11:26:24midkayspending several hours on stuff people only glance at once by accident and avoid it from then on..
11:26:29dproaaarg I still get dropouts on ipod when playing pcm/wave files at 106% pitch ... now why is that ?
11:26:31JdGordonhow long does it take to view the whole list?
11:26:39 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com)
11:26:42midkayJdGordon, depends on your target.
11:26:47markunpetur: he did it in his previous language update as well: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5064
11:26:48midkayJdGordon, what model(s) have you got?
11:26:51JdGordonh300
11:27:02midkayyou could actually test the current speed settings and tell me if they're good..
11:27:06*dpro can hardly imagine that this depends on the codec speed ... since there is no codec
11:27:14 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
11:27:15JdGordonsend me the .c and i will
11:27:35Paul_The_Nerddpro: Perhaps it depends on the disk access speed?
11:27:37midkayum. heeeel naw. ;)
11:27:49peturmarkun: ouch - didn't see that, it would have warned me :(
11:27:52midkaysource premieres when it's committed. :)
11:28:16JdGordon.. ok
11:28:42dproPaul_The_Nerd: but why does it _never_ happen at normal speed ? I can't believe the ide driver is so tightly tuned to original speed ;)
11:28:43peturmarkun: can you fix that?
11:28:50 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de)
11:29:03markunsure, but maybe one of us should email him first
11:29:12Paul_The_Nerddpro: Well, at 106% pitch the file has to be read, processed, and output 6% faster.
11:29:19dproso ?
11:29:27dproah there we go
11:29:30 Join webguest05 [0] (n=8fee0381@labb.contactor.se)
11:29:49*dpro just reproduced it at 100% pitch - damn ... my dj tool is has still a loooong way to go ;)
11:29:50 Quit webguest05 (Client Quit)
11:29:59Paul_The_NerdSo that's another 80kbps running through everything, right?
11:30:30*dpro checks with flac now ...
11:30:56dprogetting dropouts with wavs even at 94%
11:31:02Paul_The_NerdDoing what?
11:31:50dproPaul_the_nerd: trying to find a codec that won't skip at ~110%
11:32:16dproamiconn suggested I should try flac since the decoder is faster than mp3
11:32:48Paul_The_NerdYeah, flac's one of the fastest
11:32:52dproso I thought I might aswell try wav, but here the ide driver seems to be the bottleneck even when pitched _down_
11:33:05midkayflac is the fastest for my 5G.
11:33:14midkayi can't kill it if i try..
11:33:33Paul_The_NerdWell it might not be the IDE driver.
11:33:35dproso flac is less disk overhead (1/10) and still faster than everything else in codec speed
11:34:12midkaysounds about right..
11:34:26 Join JdGordon41 [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au)
11:34:38linuxstbdpro: Is the CPU being boosted correctly when you play back WAV @ > 100% speed? (I can't think why not, but...)
11:35:21dprolinuxstb: how can I find out ?
11:35:47linuxstbTurn up the pitch to a level where it starts to skip, then go into the Debug menu and choose "view audio thread"£
11:36:09Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I've noted that with disk poweroff enabled, and "Anti-Skip" buffer only set to 5 seconds (which doesn't actually seem to be 5 seconds, I think) the compressed buffer actually gets exhausted easily in the middle of FLACs. Just as a related note.
11:36:12 Quit anathema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
11:36:40linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, I don't think the anti-skip buffer correctly deals with the range of bitrates available on swcodec.
11:37:06linuxstbOr at least, some parts of the swcodec engine doesn't adapt properly.
11:37:13Paul_The_NerdYeah
11:37:36dproI tried various buffer settings but it didn't really change the behaviour much (at least with mp3)
11:37:47Paul_The_NerdI found myself wondering how it decides what 5 seconds is in the case of VBR data anyway
11:38:12dproPaul_the_nerd: based on average bitrate maybe ?
11:38:37midkayaha.
11:38:41 Quit Rori (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
11:38:50*midkay thinks he just found the bug preventing the end-of-roll bugfix from working.
11:38:57amiconnThe ide driver shouldn't be a bottle neck for wav playback, even if it's sos onelower than the arch
11:39:53amiconn+os one
11:41:15amiconnmurks
11:41:24 Part Paul_The_Nerd
11:41:42dproamiconn: do you have any idea what causes the dropouts then ? (pitch setting doesn't affect the likeliness of skips)
11:41:58 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
11:42:02*dpro encodes the wavs to flacs for testing
11:44:19dprohmm I'd really like to show off rb at the linuxwochen great finale here in vienna ... let's see if I'll get there in time ;)
11:45:03***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
11:45:42midkayahahaha...
11:45:47*midkay just madly optimized the credits roll
11:45:51midkayso simply..
11:46:03*dpro should have added a 'sync' to for F in `ls` ; do flac $F ; done
11:47:36linuxstbdpro: Why not just "flac *.wav" ?
11:48:07dprolinuxstb: because actually the above line looks a little different ;)
11:48:40amiconnI have no idea what would cause WAV to skip
11:48:51linuxstbFor Rockbox, you counld also add "−−seekpoint=1s" to create a seektable with 1 second accuracy - if you're not already.
11:49:18dprolinuxstb: ah good to now
11:49:37linuxstb(The default is 10 seconds.)
11:50:17*dpro just read that in the manpage
11:51:05 Join Rori [0] (n=me@host-87-74-38-104.bulldogdsl.com)
11:52:39JdGordonmidkay: got it finised?
11:52:45midkayJdGordon, quite nearly..
11:52:52midkaywaiting for the whole roll to finish to make sure the bug is fixed.
11:53:06midkayone more change and run-through and it should be good to go.
11:54:04midkaywheeeee.
11:54:06midkayfixed.
11:54:31dpronow trying flac @106.4 ....
11:59:21dprothere we go ... less likely still dropouts ... DAMN (sorry)
11:59:38 Quit JdGordon41 (Remote closed the connection)
11:59:49 Join JdGordon41 [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au)
12:00
12:00:25 Quit JdGordon41 (Remote closed the connection)
12:02:59dprolinuxstb: boost ratio stays at 0% ....
12:05:58dprohmmm now at 120% it doesn't skip ... it never skips when you need it ;)
12:10:42dproOTOH I changed the anti-skip buffer to 15secs maybe that solved the problem once and for all ...
12:14:36*amiconn wonders under what conditions dpro is getting dropouts
12:14:58amiconnThat anti-skip buffer on swcodec really needs fixing
12:15:09amiconnIt doesn't work as intended at all
12:16:09midkayand four-to-five hours later, it's looking commitworthy.
12:17:07preglowlinuxstb: you had any problems with long seeks with flac?
12:19:09preglowand any way to see the seek table info?
12:19:17preglowjust to make sure my file's not broken
12:20:50 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com)
12:21:35*midkay just committed it.. *psst* JdGordon *psst*
12:22:09JdGordon:)
12:22:17JdGordonill have a looksie when the build finishes
12:22:29midkayloveliness.
12:23:29JdGordonany thoughts on the tagnavi.config patch?
12:23:41JdGordon.. from anyone..
12:24:55XavierGrwhat exactly anti-skip buffer do?
12:25:03midkayJdGordon, i like it..
12:25:10midkayany objections to a commit, anyone?
12:25:14JdGordoncourse u do.. u suggested it :D
12:25:15 Join Guest94557 [0] (n=iRiver@bzq-88-155-32-214.red.bezeqint.net)
12:26:07midkayhaha.
12:26:07midkay:)
12:26:22 Nick Guest94557 is now known as r1sk (n=iRiver@bzq-88-155-32-214.red.bezeqint.net)
12:26:32 Nick r1sk is now known as r1sk666 (n=iRiver@bzq-88-155-32-214.red.bezeqint.net)
12:26:34XavierGrmidkay: take advantage of your position! :D
12:27:10 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
12:27:17midkayXavierGr, heheheh.. *slips unnoticed changes into cvs*
12:27:40midkaywell, i'll wait 'til amiconn goes to bed.. can't get a single stray character past this guy. :)
12:28:30preglowhe doesn't sleep
12:29:01midkayah, yes..
12:29:04JdGordonu should just make sure i put the commenting checking in the right place..
12:29:06midkayhe always SAYS 'nite'..
12:29:15midkaybut he stays up, constantly refreshing the cvs build page..
12:29:29midkayready to strike. :)
12:30:21 Join webguest17 [0] (n=52ec8d5a@labb.contactor.se)
12:30:28webguest17hello
12:30:38webguest17i've got a 5g ipod
12:30:40midkaywhat's up w/ the player build, anyone?
12:31:26webguest17i like rockbox because i can plays mp3 which aren't in the itune db
12:32:02webguest17but is there a way to store mp3 outside ipod_control/music on a 5g ?
12:33:01linuxstbpreglow: Yes, seeking outside the current buffer seems to cause problems - not just with FLAC I think. It's in the bug tracker, and lostlogic said he'll look at it.
12:33:11linuxstb"metaflac −−list" will show the seektable.
12:33:24XavierGrmidkay: RED!!!! You will burn in hell. :D
12:34:58RedBrevamidkay: Like the new Credits... but being 'hyper-picky' I think the last 'pagefull' displayed did not go to the bottom, so names were not displayed as long as the others... shouldn't you continue to the botton of the screen scrolling blanks on?
12:35:02midkayhaha.
12:37:01 Quit ACK54W (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
12:37:36midkayRedBreva, you mean keep scrolling the last lines off so the rest is blank?
12:37:38preglowlinuxstb: ouch
12:37:54midkayfirst i tried to do that, then when i had some trouble with it, i thought it even worked alright like this..
12:38:06midkayi'll extend the delay slightly between last name and exit..
12:38:14midkayif i can figure out wtf is with the player build.
12:39:05 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com)
12:39:07midkaycan anyone look + give any advice? maybe a server problem? different GCC or anything?
12:39:18midkayhey Paul_The_Nerd.
12:39:35Paul_The_NerdHola. I vanished for breakfast.
12:39:40preglowlinuxstb: what plans do/did you have for finer granularity flac seeking, btw? just seek a seek point then decode until new position?
12:39:44preglowor something more low-level?
12:39:47midkaybtw, i optimized some of the functions in the credits roll.. so it may be running faster than it ought to be now..
12:39:56RedBrevamidkay: yes... As I said, big improvement in readability etc, esp. on H140, but could be a little unfair on the last person in the file, if the screensize/font size combo meant they were the only name on the last screen..?
12:40:18midkayRedBreva, i know what you mean. i'll add a longer delay.
12:40:25midkaye.g. after the last name comes up, wait *two seconds* and then exit.
12:40:32RedBreva:D
12:40:38midkayshould be one second atm.
12:40:52JdGordonplugin credits righjt?
12:40:58midkayJdGordon, yeah.
12:41:06JdGordoneither ive updated my player twice from the wronf zip.. or nothing changed...
12:41:16midkaywrong zip then ;)
12:41:29RedBrevaor Player = red?
12:41:36linuxstbpreglow: I've no ideas really - I prefer to just create seek tables with high granularity. The FLAC format is a bit silly - the frame header "sync pattern" is allowed to also appear inside a frame....
12:41:42midkayhe has an H300..
12:41:46JdGordongroup bash midkay for the red build..
12:41:54midkayhaha. go to hell.
12:42:00midkayyou try to figure it out.
12:42:01midkay:)
12:42:08*midkay is stumped
12:42:34midkaygroup bash JdGordon for his stupid button unification idea!
12:42:36JdGordonthe player doesnt like unicode?
12:42:39preglowlinuxstb: yeah, a sync marker obviously has no meaning with most compressed formats
12:42:41 Join BockBilbo [0] (n=BockBilb@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es)
12:42:42preglowlinuxstb: even mp3 is like that
12:42:43midkayi didn't even LOOK at it it's so awful.
12:42:45midkay;)
12:42:50JdGordon:'(
12:42:51midkayJdGordon, i didn't *add* that line..
12:42:56midkayso..
12:43:03midkayi think it must be a server problem.
12:43:06BockBilbohello
12:43:08BockBilbo:)
12:43:09preglowlinuxstb: since the codec is so fast i think that just brute force decoding might do the trick
12:43:16JdGordonoh ok
12:43:36BockBilboim trying to compile rockbox on ubuntu, anyone knows which package contains m68k-elf-gcc ?
12:43:41linuxstbWe don't need to actually decode the frames - just a high-level parse.
12:44:08preglowwell, if it's not too much of a bother, then sure
12:44:19midkayoh.
12:44:22midkayi did do that. haha.
12:44:32preglowBockBilbo: no package for that
12:44:36*midkay is embarrassed
12:44:47midkayi was going to tell JdGordon to check the diff if he didn't believe me, and then i checked it myself.
12:45:04BockBilbopreglow, so how do i compile it?:S
12:45:46*JdGordon figured out why it wasnt updateing.. got the scp command wrong :p
12:45:57Paul_The_NerdBockBilbo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
12:46:05Paul_The_NerdManually compile crosscompilers
12:46:11Paul_The_NerdOr..
12:46:17Paul_The_NerdIsn't there a shell script now in the sources?
12:46:45JdGordonthere is
12:46:48Paul_The_NerdYeah, /tools/rockboxdev.sh
12:47:02JdGordonso u did screw the line midkay ?
12:47:20BockBilbothankss
12:47:54midkayJdGordon, four lines, actually.
12:48:05JdGordonhehe well done :D
12:48:18midkaymerci. beaucoup.
12:48:18midkay:)
12:48:20JdGordonhahah damn that rb-> !!
12:48:24midkayyeah. haha.
12:48:31midkayi actually ran a replace macro on that file..
12:48:38midkayreplacing "rb->" with "" (nothing)..
12:48:45midkaythen i put them back manually.
12:48:51midkaymissed a few places. :)
12:49:40dproamiconn: I get dropouts well ... after a while ... and then it get's worse and worse ... but if I use it just as a walkman everything at 100% pitch always it never happens ...
12:50:38*dpro wonders if it has to do with pause / resume ... a feature I normally don't use when running around ...
12:51:20linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I've been wondering about reasoning behind the ipod forum split. IMO, about 99% of the questions/problems apply equally to all ipods, and a large proportion of those aren't really ipod-specific anyway, they are general Rockbox questions. I would like there to be less target-specific forums, and more general discussion forums. Apart from installation problems, most threads are applicable to more than one target, eve
12:51:20linuxstbn WPSs.
12:52:34JdGordonwindows to the recsue :D
12:52:37JdGordonnice work midkay
12:53:00midkaythanks JdGordon :)
12:54:09preglowi think the many ipod forums are pretty unneeded
12:55:21*midkay semi-disagrees
12:55:25Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Well, there are alot of things that vary between the iPods. Especially considering say, the lack of grayscale lib so several plugins don't exist for the minis. And I think that there's any overlap between iPod forums for the WPSes. When I first suggested the idea (maybe a month, month 'n a half ago now) I felt like I was quite often having to ask what sort of iPod someone had before I could help them.
12:56:17midkaythere's still the general iPod forum.. and the subforums for targetspecific questions/WPS' and stuff.
12:56:24JdGordonbut anrt most questions throughout the whole forum general rockbox bugs an not nescacerily only 1 target?
12:56:40midkaythe key word there would be 'most'.
12:56:55linuxstbThat's my point - users don't think of Rockbox as being multiplatorm, so they don't mention their player. If most of the threads happened under "General Discussion", then that would change how users think of Rockbox.
12:56:58Paul_The_NerdRight now there's quite a bit of differentiation between iPod targets, both in performance and bugs.
12:56:58midkaymany, perhaps. not all, and maybe someone has a question relating to a particular model?
12:57:10 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving")
12:57:26Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yeah, I can see that as valid. Dropping nearly all target specific forums would be necessary for that.
12:57:56 Quit Redbreva_ (Remote closed the connection)
12:58:21 Join webguest55 [0] (n=8446dc52@labb.contactor.se)
12:58:33dprohehe while we're at it can we have an ipod dropout forum ;)
12:58:43midkayi just see it like, they aren't very necessary, but i don't see them causing any problems, they're nice to have for some occasions..
12:58:52markunPaul_The_Nerd: do you have the power to move a thread in the forum?
12:59:10Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: Yes
12:59:36Paul_The_NerdWell, guys, I'm open to suggestions for forum improvements really. It seemed to me that the best way to organize the iPod "lump" was to split it.
12:59:47midkayhaha.
13:00
13:00:03JdGordonwhy not group targets more like how the code is split? i.e colour/b+w.. hw/sw codecs
13:00:28Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: What do you need moved?
13:00:30markunSome problems are really target specific..
13:00:38linuxstbMy suggestion would be to create more sub-forums under General Discussion - split by feature area such as "Music Playback", "Recording", "Plugins", "WPS/Thems" etc.
13:01:00JdGordonthats gonna be a nightmare to keep threads the in right place..
13:01:09Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I had been thinking of both a "Plugin Development" and "WPS Design" forum actually.
13:01:21markunPaul_The_Nerd: Nothing in particular, but I've noticed a lot of generic rockbox questions in target specific forums in the past.
13:01:48Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: Yup. I'll be watching for that from now on. I'm going to _try_ to get/keep things a bit more organized.
13:02:17markunPaul_The_Nerd: thanks! I apreciate your work in the forums
13:02:28markunAnswering questions I don't even want to read
13:02:37Paul_The_NerdHehehe
13:02:46markun"I NEED HELP!!" *sigh*
13:03:58midkayhaha.
13:04:17markunPaul_The_Nerd: I like the rule they have at hydrogenaudio: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3974#entry149479
13:05:06 Quit webguest55 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
13:05:18markunIs it possible for someone to change the topic of a thread he started?
13:05:20JdGordonas nice as rules are.. most users dont read the,...\
13:05:33Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: Yes, I believe so
13:05:34B4gdermarkun: yes, you can edit your own messages
13:05:42B4gderthe first message sets the subject for the thread
13:05:50Paul_The_NerdHydrogenaudio's forums are a much more focused and serious community though. Ideally the Rockbox forums should be a place where someone completely clueless and panicking can go for help
13:06:36Paul_The_NerdThat's pretty much the idea of the "Rockbox Experts" group. People who've shown a willingness to answer even the stupidest questions with understanding and patience, as well as giving people advice on how to find more information in the wiki.
13:07:17 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
13:07:17B4gderI like those images
13:07:41B4gdergives a proper extra "weight" to what these people say
13:08:31Paul_The_NerdYeah, it felt important to me that they have more than simply different colored stars, and Midkay was kind enough to create me those images. :)
13:09:40markunPaul_The_Nerd: you gorgot to add Cassandra to the developers group
13:09:54midkayah, right. :)
13:09:58midkayyeah, i like the whole idea..
13:10:08markunPaul_The_Nerd: or not?
13:10:18midkayposts from guys with these images are significant. :)
13:10:35JdGordonno matter how stupid they are :D
13:10:36B4gderperhaps I could be in the "grumpy" group? ;-P
13:10:41midkayhaha.
13:10:44JdGordon.. the posts that is...
13:10:48midkayi can make an icon just for you, bagder :)
13:10:55midkayhaha, JdGordon.
13:10:59markunB4gder: together with amiconn perhaps?
13:11:11XavierGrah and I was wondering how I got that 'developer' icon. *sweet*
13:11:16B4gderhaha, he's a worthy member of my team! ;-)
13:11:21markun:)
13:11:45midkayamiconn should be the *leader* in fact. :)
13:11:55midkayamiconn is second to none. ;)
13:12:33Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: It's entirely possible I forgot a large number of people
13:13:12markunwell, thanks for not forgetting me :)
13:13:21Paul_The_NerdOkay, she's been added
13:13:56linuxstbSo am I alone in thinking the ipod forums should be unsplit? i.e. that one forum is enough?
13:14:09JdGordonim with u..
13:14:19midkayi'm inbetween...
13:14:31Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure I see the benefit in unifying them, honestly
13:14:34peturOT message for EU people only: please sign http://www.oneseat.eu/
13:14:36XavierGrI agree with linuxstb, too many subforums for my taste.
13:14:45midkayi think they aren't harming anything..
13:14:47markunpetur: I also signed it today
13:14:55petur:D
13:15:27midkaymaybe not a complete unification?
13:15:47midkayiPod General, iPod 5G/Photo/Color/Nano, iPod 1G-4G Gray/Mini?
13:15:54Paul_The_NerdIt feels easier to provide support this way, to me, but as I said, I'm willing to listen to arguments both ways.
13:16:03XavierGrmidkay: yes that sounds more like it
13:16:18XavierGrgrayscale and colour target
13:16:19XavierGrs
13:16:21midkayi like them the way they are, but..
13:16:37midkayif people are hell-bent on a unification, maybe three more general ones is alright..
13:17:16midkaythat also is kind of the old/new splitup.. the 5g/color/nano models are the most recent, and the 1g-4g and the mini are old/discontinued..
13:17:30midkay(technically, the photo/color is too, but..)
13:17:43midkayif there's a unification, my vote goes for that.
13:17:49midkay*back to guildwars* :)
13:18:44Paul_The_NerdRight now the iPods I believe are divided by WPS constraints (and I believe plugin availability, sorta)
13:19:23linuxstbIt's just that when I read the posts in the ipod forums, almost none of them are specific to one type of ipod.
13:19:59midkaythe problem isn't that, i think.
13:20:03midkayit's not that they aren't specific to one iPod..
13:20:09midkayit's that they aren't specific to basically *any* model.
13:20:24midkay"how do i bookmark?" −− it's the same on every model.
13:20:36 Quit juxtap ()
13:20:37midkaypeople just think "well, i have this model, and here's the forum for it, i'll ask here".
13:20:48linuxstbExactly. But people who own (for example) a Nano, will see the Nano forum and go directly there.
13:21:02midkayexactly.
13:21:12midkayso that's rather unavoidable.
13:21:36midkaybut for the not-quite-rare case where the problem is ipod- or even model-specific, these help..
13:22:02Paul_The_NerdI mean we have several model specific outstanding iPod bugs right now
13:22:36linuxstbBut "several bugs" isn't a reason to create 5 new forums IMO.
13:23:09linuxstbAnd hopefully they should be fixed soon anyway - once people go back to working on the ipods.
13:24:02JdGordonwhat about... dont allow regular users to make new topics in the player specific forums.. then add a bug discussion forum, and IF there is a bug that is purley 1 target move it there..?
13:24:21Paul_The_NerdSeems a little complicated.
13:24:43Paul_The_NerdIt just seemed with the explosive number of posts in the iPod forum, a single forum was too little. Especially with all the custom build, and WPS related threads.
13:24:47dproamiconn: are you still around ?
13:24:52midkaybottom line for me: they aren't hurting anything (afaik), they aren't really taking up space, this helps in not-all-but-some cases, and Paul_The_Nerd does probably 90% of the assistance in these forums and probably knows best.. if a unification is in order, i think color/grayscale models is the best alternative.
13:26:45JdGordonbottom line is there is too many targets.. i rekon drop all ipod support and stay with the smaller ones :D
13:26:54Paul_The_NerdI do agree that it is a step away from having people think of Rockbox as hardware-independent, and that is a bad thing.
13:27:28midkaythat's true..
13:27:49 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com)
13:28:14JdGordonso do linuxstb's suggestion.. subroums for the parts of rockbox.. not the targets..
13:28:15linuxstbBut I think we all agree that most posts in the old ipod forum didn't belong there anyway - they should have been in general discussion.
13:28:16Paul_The_NerdBut then, the differences between an iPod Mini 1G and a iPod Video are larger than an H100 and an H300.
13:28:16midkayi think general, color models, and gray models..
13:29:34midkayif it was made clear in their description that the questions should only pertain to those models..
13:30:09JdGordonbut most users wouldnt know if it is or isnt only effecting their model..
13:30:12linuxstbmidkay: I wouln't even do that - unless you are a developer, or designing a WPS, the type of LCD isn't important.
13:30:47Paul_The_NerdI think really, the general idea is that perhaps the whole boards system needs a bit of a refactor for categories.
13:30:47*midkay shrugs
13:31:00midkayone iPod forum sounds just a tad too general..
13:31:30Paul_The_NerdThe iPod forum also already has more posts/topics than any other forum but the H100 one, which is significantly older
13:31:44midkaythat actually sounds like a good idea..
13:31:59midkaysomeone mentioned it earlier but i didn't really think about it..
13:32:12midkaya category for rockbox-specific functions.
13:32:18Paul_The_NerdI mean, I like the idea of divisions being by topic, rather than by hardware.
13:32:32midkayunless your question is directly related to the model, it should go in one of these forums..
13:33:09 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
13:33:11XavierGrbah! Who uses the foroum anyway :D (kidding)
13:33:16Paul_The_NerdSo, "Rockbox Support/Bugs" "General Use Questions" "WPS design" "Plugin Development", stuff like that?
13:33:32midkayPaul_The_Nerd, that sounds pretty good to me actually..
13:33:44Paul_The_NerdIn bugs, just have a sticky telling people to remember to post their bugs with a topic "H300: Blah" or "iPod Video: Blah"
13:33:52midkayeasier to consider grouping the iPod forums back together..
13:33:55 Join tempi [0] (n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi)
13:33:59midkayyeah, right.
13:34:12Paul_The_NerdThey wouldn't do it, but at least the sticky would be there.
13:34:18midkayHAHA.
13:34:35FebsKeep in mind that most people first coming to Rockbox don't know whether their directly relates to the model.
13:34:42midkayso, tell them.
13:34:45Paul_The_NerdPlus, if there are NO forums for different hardware, then people would know that we have no way of knowing what hardware they're asking ab out
13:34:46midkaystickies in each model specific forum..
13:35:01midkay"Unless you're sure that your question pertains to this model, please ask in the appropriate rockbox functionality forum."
13:35:05linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Sounds good to me :)
13:35:20Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I think even if it pertains to a single model, they could ask in the general Bugs or Support forums.
13:35:30Paul_The_NerdThe only problem there is this:
13:35:31midkayyeah, unless it's pretty damn specific..
13:35:37midkaye.g. hardware mods.
13:35:48Paul_The_NerdA lot of answers come from people who don't have _any_ Rockbox knowledge outside of one set of hardware
13:35:49midkayunless you're *sure* your question is specific to this model or group of models..
13:36:21midkayit's quite a dilemma, but i think the general categories would be alright for that..
13:36:25Paul_The_NerdSo, Joe_Average may not even bother reading Support questions if he has to filter through them until he finds one on a model he feels confident about the button mappings for
13:36:39Paul_The_NerdWhereas now, Joe_Average can read just the H300 section if he only knows the keymappings for it, and help people there
13:36:59tempiHeya, i just converted my 5G MacPod into a Winpod and tried installing Rockbox. Found a few problems with the docs in the wiki... Does someone feel responsible and wants to fix the wiki page or shall i do it?
13:37:05midkayhm.
13:37:17XavierGrWhat I don't like with current scheme is, I for once, don't own an iPod, so I will never look at the iPod foroums. Still I could provide usefull information on that foroum.
13:37:21FebsPaul_The_Nerd, don't we rely on Llorean to answer all of those questions anyway? ;)
13:37:48peturrofl
13:38:10B4gderI bet he's soon filled his life-time quota of forum messages ;-)
13:38:17tempiha, actually, it's not a wiki page after all that needs fixing, it seems... so, how do we get the mac installation page fixed?
13:38:28linuxstbtempi: There aren't many (any?) mac users contributing to Rockbox, so please fix anything you find.
13:38:31midkaytempi, what page?
13:38:38linuxstbtempi: What do you mean, it's not a wiki page?
13:38:41tempi"installation from mac os x"
13:38:49Paul_The_Nerdtempi: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX <−−- This wiki page?
13:38:50tempiit doesn't look like one.
13:38:54tempiyes
13:39:00Paul_The_NerdIt's a wiki page. Edit button on the bottom
13:39:03linuxstbThis page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX
13:39:06Paul_The_NerdLeft corner even
13:39:11tempiah, that tiny button
13:39:13tempiok
13:39:15linuxstbIt's "Twiki"
13:39:27tempinever seen twiki before
13:39:31Paul_The_NerdY'know, I've always pronounced it Tee-wiki for some reason.
13:39:39 Join Zendefera [0] (n=zendyman@ip68-7-163-21.sd.sd.cox.net)
13:39:45tempinot like tweaky?
13:39:57ZendeferaI heard rb 3.0 was going to be released today, is this true?
13:40:02Paul_The_NerdI dunno how it's supposed to be pronounced.
13:40:27linuxstbtempi: What's the problem with the page? Or shall I just read your edits?
13:40:40Paul_The_NerdZendefera: Well, that's the rumour. ;-)
13:41:28Zendeferaso if I cvs checkout code right now, if the 3.0 rel comes out, I should have tthe 3.0 code? or pretty close to it?
13:41:34 Quit Mikachu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
13:41:35 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com)
13:41:49Paul_The_NerdEven if it's delayed again for some reason, what you get today will be _very_ close to what 3.0 will be.
13:41:57 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de)
13:42:20Zendeferaanyone use the spoken interface on rb, and use .talk files to speak their dir and file names?
13:42:32dpromikachu: you are also using pitch on ipod aren't you ?
13:43:09tempilinuxstb: 1. it says hardly anywhere that there's a HIDDEN item in the zip file one downloads. Plus, the instruction saying "extract this to your root folder" is not helpful to a mac user without further explanation either.
13:43:13amiconnBagder: The 'cvs activity' time stamps are still off...
13:43:28tempi2. a link to the iPL loader2 should be added, since that one makes it much easier
13:43:28B4gderyes
13:43:36B4gderthe whole cvs issue still remains
13:43:37XavierGrZendefera: To answer your yesterday's question, I was building a greek voice file.
13:43:49Zendeferasavier cool. :)
13:44:13amiconnXavierGr: Did you find a greek tts engine?
13:44:37midkayi think a nice way to break up the general discussion section would be: "General Rockbox Discussion", "Audio Playback", "Plugins", "Development" and "WPS'".
13:44:45midkayat least maybe that's a start..
13:45:06***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
13:45:19XavierGramiconn: yes and a good one.
13:45:20Zendeferaoh, has someone seen, when playing music, and if you try and enter the menu, some times It will speak, and other times it will not speak. but when you leave the menu by hitting menu again, it'll speak some of the menu items you moved over.
13:45:21linuxstbtempi: I agree it should mention how to deal with the ".rockbox" folder. But why does loader2 make it easier to use Rockbox?
13:45:34XavierGrInfact I found many good tts engines for various languages.
13:45:43tempii meant that the loader2 installaiton is easier than what's presented here
13:45:56 Join ACK54W [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com)
13:46:03 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl)
13:46:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'm going to do some thinking about reorganization, and maybe set up a wiki topic for discussion once I've put a little more thought into it I think.
13:46:15XavierGramiconn: I managed to get my hands on loquendo tts engines, which are of very good quality. (maybe better than ATT)
13:46:23midkayPaul_The_Nerd, alright.
13:46:26tempithose rb instructions are huge, and i suggest that when someone is overwhelmed with them, he might try the ipl loader instructions
13:46:57XavierGramiconn: But I am not sure about the licences. I go to the global site but I can't find a complete license about the engines.
13:47:32XavierGrZendefera: Yes that is known. Currently voice UI is buggy.
13:48:22Zendeferaxaviergr, are there any ideas for the causes for the buggyness?
13:48:46Zendeferasomething that might help track down the problem?
13:49:55amiconnXavierGr: You don't need the engine license. I'm pretty sure it's not allowed to distribute them. What is important is whether they impose restrictions on the generated speech
13:50:19amiconnThe AT&T license contradicts itself wrt generated speech :/
13:50:53XavierGryes sorry I meant, engines = voice generated files
13:53:08XavierGrhehe, they claim that their engines can run on an ARM9 cpu.
13:53:25 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
13:53:43markunamiconn: did you listen to the output of espeak?
13:54:00JdGordon[21:34:04] <Paul_The_Nerd> In bugs, just have a sticky telling people to remember to post their bugs with a topic "H300: Blah" or "iPod Video: Blah" <- thats not a good idea.. the sticky should say to at least say what model u have in the post. not e thread.. so ppl dont think its meniotned for ipod, but not h300 so ill post excatly the same for that model..
13:54:45 Nick gtkspert_ is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@124-168-72-203.dyn.iinet.net.au)
13:54:46Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: True. The topic should very briefly summarize the problem, then in the post they should mention what hardware they get it on.
13:54:54JdGordonyup
13:54:58Sanhey, does anyone use the H300 with the EQ in rockbox on, with E2C's?
13:55:09JdGordonthe wps section should prob be split for the lcd size/types tho..
13:55:35Paul_The_NerdIdeally WPSes should be designed for as many screen sizes as possible anyway.
13:55:36*JdGordon apologizes for missing the disuccion as it was eding b4... was out
13:55:38 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
13:55:39markunSan: no, but why do you ask?
13:55:46ZendeferaI've been talking to the espeak developer about porting it over to run with rb.
13:55:48 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.)
13:55:54 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
13:55:55Sani just want to know the best settings for it
13:56:02Santhats all. :)
13:56:06amiconnmarkun: No, why?
13:56:23Paul_The_NerdSan: Most people would tell you "What you think sounds good." There's not really a "best" settings for EQ for anything
13:56:25JdGordonalso, u need to have a section just for audio playback issues.. coz thats where most bugs would be wont they?
13:56:31Zendeferamarkun, it s a small engine, have you heard it?
13:56:33markunamiconn: sounds quite nice (not like AT&T of course)
13:56:38markunZendefera: yes, I like it
13:56:45markunMuch better than flite
13:56:48XavierGramiconn: http://www.qualilife.com/products/index.cfm?id=218
13:56:54Zendeferamarkun you blind?
13:57:01Zendeferamuch smaller than flite
13:57:02Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Many bugs that people associate with 'Audio Playback' are really just bugs that happen _during_ audio playback. So, it's iffy
13:57:04XavierGramiconn: there you can find 30 days demo for the engines
13:57:09Sanpaul, i know, but I just need something to base it around
13:57:12JdGordon.. :(
13:57:14Sanatm all I am getting is clipping
13:57:14markunhttp://130.89.160.166/rockbox/flite.wav vs http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/espeak.wav
13:57:30markunZendefera: no, I'm not.
13:57:33Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Oh, by the way, did you see that the 4G froze in setting the cpu speed? Data abort even.
13:57:40linuxstbtempi: Reading the Loader2 page, I can't see where it tells you how to install on a FAT32 ipod from Mac OS X. But I've no objections to pointing users in the direction of your bootloader (and wiki, and support forums...) as an alternative to Rockbox's.
13:58:24linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, I saw that. It's interesting, but a data abort is different to a freeze - I would have expected more people to have reported data aborts, but all the reports just say that its a freeze.
13:58:26Zendeferamarkun, he already runs espeak on a arm based system, ris c os or something.
13:58:32Zendeferaso that might help with the ipod.
13:58:56markunZendefera: a port to C would be even more helpful I think
13:59:12ZendeferaI am thinking of taking that on, when I get a chance.
13:59:19markungreat
13:59:19Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yeah... I don't know. People are really vague. Some people say "freezes" when they're talking about skips in playback too. So I'm somewhat uncertain overall these days, but at least that means _something_ bad _can_ happen there.
13:59:20linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: My ipod's never frozen on the splash screen, but I do experience freezes during audio playback on my 4g Color. So at least I can try and isolate that when I go back to ipod debugging.
13:59:29Zendeferathe developer of espeak told me also it doesn't rely on the portaudio lib
13:59:41FebsSan, in that case, you could start with the preset you like best and tweak it. But you're better off starting with the EQ flat and then using the method I described on MR to adjust it.
13:59:54markunZendefera: are you blind?
14:00
14:00:07amiconnmarkun: That does indeed sound quite good (although I couldn't listen to the flite comparison. WMP doesn't like the .wav for some reason)
14:00:21FebsSan, if you're getting clipping, turn down the pre-cut.
14:00:32 Quit Xerion (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
14:00:33 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl)
14:00:35linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: But I've also been wanting to wait for lostlogic to completely finish his playback reworking - just in case it's a playback-related bug.
14:00:36Sankk
14:00:43Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Absolutely fair.
14:01:17JdGordonany1 like the idea of loading a config.cfg if an update resets the settigns?
14:01:23markunamiconn: If you want to listen to the FAQ (44 mins) :) http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/faq.ogg
14:01:26linuxstbThe odd thing is that it's a recent bug - i.e. after CPU boosting was introduced.
14:01:52Zendeferamarkun, yeah, I'm blind.
14:01:53amiconnJdGordon: Nope
14:01:59JdGordonreally?
14:02:25amiconnThe whole binary settings & version business should go away
14:02:39amiconnThe only reason why this isn't done yet is that it's not trivial
14:02:39JdGordonis that planned?
14:02:46amiconnyes
14:02:51JdGordonhmm ok
14:03:05 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net)
14:04:38 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3167.gwdg.de)
14:05:34 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-44-11.dsl.pipex.com)
14:05:59daurn|laptopO>O
14:06:02daurn|laptopO<O
14:06:11daurn|laptopOok!
14:06:15*daurn|laptop <3 ook
14:06:25daurn|laptopsomeone make an Ook! interpreter
14:08:25 Join orfax [0] (i=kvirc@CPE-60-226-232-4.sa.bigpond.net.au)
14:09:54midkayamiconn, but autosaving a config when the settings are reset is trivial, so why isn't that done as a temporary workaround? clearly nobody's bothering with the binary stuff..
14:11:03amiconnIt's not trivial
14:11:06JdGordonmidkay: u mean save it when the new one loads?
14:11:12midkayJdGordon, er..
14:11:21midkayi mean just saving a config when settings are reset.
14:11:23midkaynot loading.
14:11:28amiconnYou can't save the old settings with the version causing the reset
14:11:29midkayhow hard is that? one line of code?
14:11:32linuxstbYou can't save it - the point is Rockbox doesn't know the format...
14:11:39amiconnexactly
14:11:42 Join c0utta [0] (n=cbad0c4a@labb.contactor.se)
14:11:46midkayaaah..
14:12:06amiconnThe reason for the reset is that the binary settings format changed - so rockbox doesn't know how to interpret it correctly
14:12:07JdGordonhas there been any talk about a new way of storing the settings?
14:12:22amiconnYes, as .cfg files
14:12:44amiconnThe problem is that we need an efficient way to register for disk spinup events
14:13:08JdGordonfor when to update it..?
14:13:33amiconnFor saving settings when they changed
14:13:39JdGordonah gotcha
14:13:57amiconnCausing a spinup just for saving settings is out of question
14:14:14amiconnToday this is handled within the ata driver ("delayed sector")
14:15:39peturmaybe have a binary and cfg version. always write both but at boot read only the binary (for speed) unless config block changed: read cfg and upgrade binary.
14:17:07Paul_The_NerdWhy does the config file have to be written that often?
14:17:24JdGordonye... they dont really need to be written untill shutdown..
14:17:43Paul_The_NerdWe have an automatic shutdown when the battery is low, manual shutdown when someone turns it off, and "USB mode" as the three time the config file should save, right?
14:17:58JdGordonnot even usb mode...
14:18:17peturno auto shutdown on low batt and certainly not on 'freeze'
14:18:30amiconnJdGordon: Settings should be written at the next spinup, not only on shutdown
14:19:14JdGordonmeh, they arnt that importnat.. and if u want to save your batts more than settings then for sure not till shutdown
14:19:15amiconnpetur: The binary settings should go away, except for some special values. Even those special values shouldn't be saved in a magic sector, but in a file
14:20:27amiconnJdGordon, Paul_The_Nerd: Saving on shutdown may be way too late, for several reasons: (1) Low batt may prevent disk access. (2) Older archoses have a fairly quick hardware shutdown that's impossible to catch in time
14:20:41JdGordonah k
14:20:45peturstill, reading a fixed format binary *file* is faster than parsing a text file, no?
14:20:46amiconnAnd I rather don't want an artificial 'low batt' shutdown
14:21:41peturamiconn: we still need an artificial shutdown for recording
14:21:51amiconnwhy?
14:22:16 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-102-185.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr)
14:22:26peturrecorded wav file needs fixing?
14:22:40peturheader not written when not closed properly
14:23:04amiconnThe header should be updated every flush
14:23:22preglowi'd prefer a user selectable low batt shutdown so we don't have to deal with those bloody ROCKBOX BROKE MY PLAYER whinees
14:23:24LinusNamiconn: that would require a lot of seeking for every flush
14:23:25peturI wanted to do that but Lunis stopped me
14:23:33peturLinus even
14:24:05 Quit BockBilbo (Remote closed the connection)
14:25:32amiconnLinusN: 'A lot of'? Exactly 2 seeks afaiu. One to the beginning, and another one back to the end
14:25:54 Quit Zendefera ()
14:26:33LinusNamiconn: "a lot" means seeking a looong file
14:27:07peturthe header is at the beginning
14:27:26peturand after writing we power down the disk so the head moves home anyway
14:27:28amiconnYes. What happens if we open the same file twice?
14:27:58amiconnpetur: The problem with seeking is that we need to walk the cluster chain. It's not the disk head
14:27:58LinusNi dunno, never tried
14:28:24tempisince i am updating the install instructions for Macs, i need a confirmation: is it true that it's OK to just copy the new set of files from a rockbox.zip onto the player's disk, or should the old ".rockbox" folder be deleted first to clear old stuff out first?
14:28:42preglowtempi: preferably, but i never do it
14:28:44preglowtempi: works fine
14:28:56Mikachuthat would clear all highscores in games
14:29:04B4gderjust unzipping is indeed better these days since fonts aren't always included
14:29:10tempimeaing, you usually do not remove items from the .rockbox folder that would cause trouble for rb if not removed from old installs?
14:29:19tempiok
14:29:24Paul_The_Nerdtempi: It's not strictly necessary to clear the old .rockbox folder, but is a step that should be taken if the user starts getting codec errors or other strange things.
14:29:56Paul_The_NerdIt's often best to leave it unless something funny is happening
14:30:03 Join bajse [0] (n=opera@48.84-48-163.nextgentel.com)
14:30:17peturthey'll also lose their config file(s), wps's', backdrop, fm presets...
14:30:35*petur wants those in a separate tree
14:31:07tempiwow, twiki's preview sucks: i can't verify the links in it
14:31:20tempieven if they are external links
14:32:42amiconn'oopspreview'
14:34:39tempiok, i am done with altering that ipod os x wiki page
14:34:45tempidoes someone want to verify it?
14:35:51tempilinuxstb, "Reading the Loader2 page, I can't see where it tells you how to install on a FAT32 ipod from Mac OS X." −− oh, right you are.
14:36:16tempii made myself some scripts that do this automatically, no matter if it's a macpod or winpod, so i never noticed :)
14:37:04linuxstbtempi: I agree with you that the instructions are a little daunting. But IMO, we should fix that by removing all the "corner cases" to other pages - e.g. make the conversion from HFS to FAT32 its own page
14:39:38tempibtw, have you seen my "rohPod" tool yet, linuxstb ?
14:39:47linuxstbNo - what does it do?
14:39:50tempilatest version actually works on mac, windows and linux!
14:40:03tempiit's a GUI tool to view and edit disk sectors.
14:40:09tempithere are others that can do it, but...
14:40:12linuxstbAh, GUI tools....
14:40:29tempimine can do it remotely! i.e. you can connect to someone else's disk over the network and fix it :)
14:40:32tempior desstroy it
14:40:46tempibut: it also keeps a journal of all changes, so one can ALWAYS revert all changes.
14:40:53tempiso, if someone messes it up, no worries
14:40:57linuxstbWhat do you use it for?
14:41:06tempinext i want to add a feature to install bootloaders from it
14:41:20tempii used it to fix other ppl's messed up ipods, actually
14:41:38tempie.g. one have overwtitten his boot block (MBR)
14:41:49Paul_The_NerdHuh, the Sansa e200 is a cute little player
14:41:54tempianother tried the conversion from MacPod to Winpod and screwed it up...
14:42:10tempiso i can do and check and perhaps fix their disks
14:42:25markunBagder: nice email
14:42:28B4gderthanks
14:42:40preglowagreed
14:42:45markun"I have never seen nor tried a Sansa, but I expect
14:42:45markunRockbox to be a lot more advanced and competent.
14:42:52markun:)
14:42:54Paul_The_NerdHehehe
14:43:13*B4gder grins
14:43:33Paul_The_NerdThough one thing we won't be able to do is preserve the DRM playback, 'eh?
14:43:42markuntrue
14:43:42LinusN"...and definitely more ugly"
14:43:47B4gderahhaha
14:43:48markun:)
14:43:51Paul_The_NerdIs that a 6gb flash based player?
14:43:54B4gderand it sounds like a bag of shit
14:44:03B4gderPaul_The_Nerd: probably a microdrive
14:44:12B4gderor something like that
14:44:13LinusNflash
14:44:21B4gder6gb flash
14:44:22B4gdernice
14:44:23Paul_The_NerdOooh.
14:44:40JdGordonexpensive...!
14:44:53XavierGrBagder: where can we see your mail along with the source?
14:45:09XavierGrsource = company's first mail
14:45:10Paul_The_NerdI have to wonder, what is a "Liquidmetal®" back?
14:45:12LinusN"Supports SanDisk TrustedFlash and Gruvi content cards"
14:45:37B4gderXavierGr: I'd rather not reveal it since we don't have the original guy's permission and I prefer to work things smoothly
14:45:46XavierGrok
14:46:26Paul_The_NerdI think the main thing I don't like about the player is that it lists WMP10 as a "requirement" so until Rockbox is available for it, I think I'd never use it.
14:46:45B4gderouch
14:46:52LinusNyuck
14:47:23XavierGrindeed
14:47:39Paul_The_NerdI do like that it advertises a user-replaceable battery. You don't see that as much anymore, it feels like.
14:47:45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
14:47:50JdGordonany1 wanna look @ http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5456 <- it was midkay's idea.. not mine ;:p
14:47:53 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.)
14:47:57 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
14:48:01midkayany1 wanna REJECT it? eh?!
14:48:01midkay:)
14:48:13*linuxstb is having a bad ADSL day...
14:48:23 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
14:48:46linuxstbtempi: Are you going to change the wiki? I'm not sure of the value of your link to the Loader_2 page when it doesn't deal with the combination of a Mac user installing on a FAT32 ipod...
14:49:02tempii am working on fixing that right now
14:49:09tempion the iPL loader2 page
14:49:09midkayB4gder, nice mail indeed :) can't wait to see what they respond..
14:49:42linuxstbtempi: How do you access the firmware partition from Mac OS X? I didn't think it showed up as a partition (same issue as cygwin).
14:49:57linuxstb(the firmware partition on a FAT32 ipod...)
14:49:59tempiright, but you can simply use the proper offset from the main disk
14:50:09tempithat's what i do in my scripts
14:50:23linuxstbHow do you know the proper offset though?
14:50:34tempithe offset is always dblk 63
14:50:38tempiblk
14:50:45tempiALWYS
14:50:54tempiif not, the tool will notice
14:50:59tempii am verifying that now
14:51:02linuxstbIt wasn't on my ipod when I first bought it... But it was after I restored it.
14:51:07 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-139.VIC.netspace.net.au)
14:51:39tempiwell, all the MBRs listed below on the rockbox osx page also refer to blk 63 :)
14:52:13linuxstbThey do indeed. But that's what my "diskdump" utility does - it reads the partition table, and then writes to the partition via the "whole disk" device.
14:52:15tempiplus, if someone converts his ipod NOW from mac to win, he'll surely get the new layout as well even if he had an old ipod with a differnet layout
14:52:57tempisee, the instructions on the wiki contain a few steps. if the blk offset should have changed, it'll become apparent in these steps quickly
14:53:00tempifor anyone.
14:53:36wibbixlinuxstb: still here?
14:53:47linuxstbYes.
14:54:21wibbixi'm trying to relocate a binary that has a bitmap external to "main".
14:54:44wibbixi used objcopy in an attempt to change the addresses
14:55:20wibbixin "main", when I try to access the bitmap, the pointer is to garbage (not the bitmap)
14:55:23wibbixsuggestions?
14:55:26linuxstbI'm not sure about that - the Rockbox build system takes care of the nasty details.
14:55:38wibbixwhere, in the build, would I look?
14:56:33wibbixjust trying to narrow it down, mind you. top level makefile?
14:58:17linuxstbBagder's our build system guru - but he seems away at the moment. But yes, apps/Makefile is probably the place to start - or bootloader/Makefile
14:58:36B4gderwhat exactly are you doing?
14:58:46B4gderwhy "relocate" anything?
14:58:59wibbixthe binary is loaded at 0x30000000
14:59:08wibbixoop
14:59:18wibbix0x30008000
14:59:31B4gderthat's controlled by the .lds file
15:00
15:00:04LinusNfirmware/app.lds or firmware/boot.lds i believe
15:00:20 Part bajse
15:00:42B4gderand then you can verify the addresses in the .map file after link
15:01:30wibbixawesome. thanks for the help.
15:03:19 Quit Scorpius (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
15:04:21 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl)
15:08:01 Part c0utta
15:08:58tempilinuxstb, i have updated the iPL loader_2 page now so that the Mac installation works with MacPods and WinPods
15:09:14preglowgreatie
15:09:22preglowany plans on trying out rockbox soon? :>
15:09:37 Quit Poka64 ("brb")
15:11:07 Part Paul_The_Nerd
15:14:47XavierGrbbl
15:14:49 Quit XavierGr ("Watch anime, saiyu sen jiko yo!")
15:15:25 Join Lez [0] (i=lex@evot.us)
15:15:59Lezwhere can i get rockboy? :(
15:16:20 Join mareviq [0] (i=magi@nat-mo1.aster.pl)
15:16:36FebsLez, it is included with Rockbox.
15:16:54Lezhmm, not on mine, it isn't included with the ipod photo one?
15:17:21JdGordonu need to get roms for it..
15:17:28FebsHave you read the chapter in the manual about how to use it?
15:17:55Lezbut should it be in .rockbox/rocks?
15:18:15JdGordongnite all
15:18:21 Quit JdGordon ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11")
15:18:26 Part mareviq ("nie wszystko dioda co sie swieci...")
15:18:36peturLez: you need to 'play' the roms like audio files
15:18:42Lezlet's try
15:19:18Lezoh
15:19:19Lezit works
15:19:22Lezbut a bit slow
15:19:25 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to)
15:19:32 Quit Xerion (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
15:19:32 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl)
15:21:14 Quit Ribs ("Leaving")
15:27:39 Quit orfax ("KVIrc 3.2.0.20051230 'Anomalies' http://www.kvirc.net/")
15:29:01 Join telliott_ [0] (n=telliott@68-179-149-245.bsr-c3-d1.evv.dhcp.sigecom.net)
15:29:12Lezhmm where's that hidden directory setting :(
15:29:56B4gderhidden directory?
15:30:13telliott_Is there any way to create a tegcache DB from my computer? It's too slow on my Archos.
15:30:23telliott_tagcache
15:30:32peturLez: settings-> file display or something like that
15:30:53B4gdertelliott_: none yet
15:30:54Lezyeah i'm there but i can't find it
15:31:16 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving")
15:31:20 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl)
15:31:54peturLez: File View -> show files -> all
15:32:04telliott_Is tagcache a lot faster than the old tag db?
15:33:15amiconnBrowsing tagcache is really fast
15:33:23Lezyeah, thanks
15:33:29linuxstbtempi: Thanks - looks good to me.
15:33:34amiconnA full tagcache update on archos may take a while
15:34:30tempiok
15:35:56tempihey, could we add something to the ipod version of rockbox so that it can detect that loader2 is installed? so that i get an option in rockbox to reboot into the loader so that i can choose apple os or linux? currently, there is no REBOOT command in rockbox, it appears
15:36:48B4gderwhy not just switch off switch on?
15:36:58B4gderit works fine on all our targets
15:37:13tempiyou mean the HOLD switch?
15:37:20B4gderI don't know
15:37:25B4gderI have no ipod
15:37:38tempiah. there is no off switch on an ipod
15:37:40tempisee?
15:37:50markunYou can't turn rockbox off?
15:37:53B4gderbut there's a way to switch off and switch off, right?
15:37:58B4gderuh, off and on
15:38:00tempiB4gder, no
15:38:06tempinot on an ipod.
15:38:15markunsounds unlikely
15:38:23B4gdervery
15:38:24tempido you have an ipod, markun ?
15:38:27markunno
15:38:31crashdhold down play
15:38:40tempikids, you seem to be living a bit too long in the past :)
15:38:41crashdthat turns it off
15:38:46tempiah
15:38:47B4gdertempi: get real
15:38:58markungigabeat is the future! :)
15:39:12markunWell, only the old gigabeat ;)
15:39:17LinusNlol
15:39:18B4gderhaha
15:41:46tempiok, play works. still, it's a bit against the way of thought that you have to turn it off in order to start something else. i'd still support the idea (and the code in loader2) to have a "reboot" item in rockbox
15:42:32markuntempi: write a patch
15:42:35tempithat would also allow to have a FASTER disk mode, because currently the diskmode that gets activated by rb is slower than necessary
15:42:59tempithanks for your support :)
15:43:17tempiok, is there anyone on my side on this?
15:43:33*petur isn't against it...
15:43:48petur...but I don't have an ipod
15:43:58markunHow does rebooting give you a faster disk mode? For USB mode it reboots anyway
15:44:01B4gderwell, all our platforms have the same "problem"
15:44:16B4gderif you want to boot into the other firmware
15:44:30B4gderuh, execept the ones that support rolo
15:44:38tempimarkun, because on the ipod there are two disk modes, and the one provided by the apple os is faster, only that rb does not load the apple os. but loade2 could
15:44:41 Part telliott_
15:44:45 Part LinusN
15:44:57markuntempi: I thought rb also used the apple mode
15:45:10***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
15:45:26 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
15:45:32 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.)
15:45:38 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
15:45:49Lezhmm is it hard to do plugins for rockbox?
15:45:56B4gderLez: nope
15:46:00markuntempi: linuxstb can probably answer your questions
15:46:07Lezoh there was a howto for it
15:46:27amiconntempi: I have removed apple os from the firmware partition.
15:46:43linuxstbtempi: I guess the resistence you're facing is that we don't like temporary solutions to problems. We see Rockbox as a full-featured replacement to the original firmware for the supported devices, so don't want to deal with it.
15:46:46 Quit Xerion (Success)
15:46:46 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl)
15:48:36tempioh well. if you want it that way :)
15:48:48 Part tempi ("Leaving")
15:49:43preglowsomeone make usb drivers, please
15:50:17*markun points to petur
15:50:27 Quit webguest17 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
15:50:33*petur hides
15:51:56 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-7-90.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr)
15:52:14 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp119-241.adsl.forthnet.gr)
15:52:23 Join r1sk [0] (n=iRiver@bzq-88-152-20-46.red.bezeqint.net)
15:52:42 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21)
15:56:53 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p50818570.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
15:57:20 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo")
16:00
16:03:10 Quit r1sk666 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:03:44 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:06:10 Join Psilonaut [0] (n=DaPhunka@213.131-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
16:07:04 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd6701e@labb.contactor.se)
16:07:20preglowwhatboutbob: how's spdif recording working out?
16:07:45whatboutbobpreglow: i can't break it.
16:07:51pregloweeexcellent
16:09:51whatboutbobjust booted back into iriver f/w for giggles for the first time in months.
16:10:09whatboutbobwanted to compare the h1xx remote tick between rockbox and iriver f/w...
16:10:35whatboutbob...can't hear a tick at all in iriver f/w. :-(
16:11:22*whatboutbob shouldn't whinge...its unbecoming.
16:11:37preglowwell, it's a nice hint
16:12:25whatboutbobust curious...does anyone know if that h1xx remote tick effects h3x0?
16:12:39whatboutbob*just
16:14:18XavierGryes
16:14:39XavierGrsome h100 remotes tick on some h300 units
16:14:48whatboutbobthanks.
16:15:01XavierGrthough with amiconn's fix that is quite rare
16:15:18whatboutbob'reduce ticking'?
16:15:24XavierGrand with reduce ticking almost obsolete
16:15:34XavierGrno that's different
16:15:42whatboutboboh...?
16:15:56XavierGramiconn's fix is always on
16:16:06whatboutbobahh.
16:16:06XavierGrit is an optimization for h300s
16:16:23amiconnThere are 2 reasons why a remote might tick on a H300
16:16:47amiconnOne of the reasons is completely fixable with no performance penalty
16:16:55amiconnThis fix is always enabled
16:17:24amiconnThe other reason is the same as on H1x0, only that it occurs on a very small number of H300s
16:17:36amiconnThis needs the ticking reduction fix like on H1x0
16:18:38whatboutbobamiconn: any chance you could explain the cause of it in simple terms without me wasting too much of your time?
16:19:54whatboutbobreason i'm asking is i've now had 4 remotes and 4 h1x0's and i'm yet to strike upon a combo that's tick-free w/ rockbox.
16:20:31XavierGrwhatboutbob: is it tick free with iriver?
16:21:11whatboutbobXavierGr: all but one remote...yeah...
16:21:21whatboutbobat least to my ears.
16:21:40XavierGrI have 4 h100 remotes 2 H100 and 1 H300 and all tick, except a specific 1 with H300 (without amiconns fix)
16:22:09XavierGrafter amiconn commited his fix H300 will not tick anymoer regardless the remote.
16:22:19XavierGrH100 still needs the reduce ticking set to on.
16:22:52XavierGrwhen set to on even on H100 I can't say for sure if I hear the tick or not. (placebo effect)
16:23:02 Quit darkless (Client Quit)
16:23:04whatboutbob(I'm using the reduce ticking, but the tick is still noticeable...but I'm using shure e3s)
16:23:21XavierGrI use shure e2
16:23:43amiconnWell, the option is called 'reduce ticking' for a reason
16:23:44Hansmaulwurfi am using etymotic ER4 and i hear nothing
16:23:56Hansmaulwurfand they are also in very high price class ;)
16:24:09amiconnIt's impossible to eliminate the H1x0 type of ticking
16:24:50Hansmaulwurfwhatboutbob: you hear the ticking when a song is playing?
16:24:56XavierGrwell I think that the ticking issue for irivers completed. Rockbox managed to get it as low as it could, the rest is iriver hardware dumbness.
16:25:10whatboutbobamiconn: i *swear* i don't mean this to come off as whiny as it sounds...I'm just curious...but how come i can't notice it with the iriver f/w?
16:25:32whatboutbobhansmaulwurf: through quieter stuff...yeah...
16:25:42Hansmaulwurfi can hear it with iriver f/w
16:25:44XavierGrwhatboutbob: wow it ticks so much?
16:26:00amiconnI don't know exactly. The ticking reduction is a tradeoff. The more we want to reduce ticking, the slower the remote lcd updates will become
16:26:11XavierGrI ony test without music, because while playing I surely won't hear it
16:26:18Hansmaulwurfme too
16:26:57whatboutbobadmittedly its far more noticeable during breaks between music (mid song and between songs)...
16:26:58XavierGreither this, or whatboutbob has elephant's ears
16:27:00*amiconn would like to see the waveform the iriver firmware generates, in conjunction with the update speed
16:27:16whatboutbobamiconn: any way i can do this?
16:27:17XavierGr;P
16:27:31XavierGrwhatboutbob: record line out or the remote
16:27:33 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-201.kotinet.com)
16:27:37XavierGri mean headphone out.
16:27:48XavierGrbut you can't really say the update rate.
16:28:08whatboutbobXavierGr: That's the thing...I really don't consider myself 'golden-eared' or a particular audiophile...so i may just be going crazy. who said that?!
16:28:08XavierGrah s/or/of
16:28:14 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-150-132.pools.arcor-ip.net)
16:28:21XavierGrhehe
16:28:30XavierGrwhatboutbob: maybe you are just unlucky
16:29:07whatboutbobbut i swear its not placebo...i don't make a point of listening for the ticking...
16:29:34XavierGrnoone said you are crazy, calm down!!! :D
16:29:44whatboutbobstop yelling at me!!!!!!!!!
16:29:48whatboutbob:)
16:29:52XavierGrlol
16:30:53whatboutbobpreglow/amiconn: a bucketload of tapers are jumping on the iriver/rockbox bandwagon now. you can hold yourselves largely accountable.
16:31:50 Quit Psilonaut ()
16:32:54XavierGrThose that have an H100 are lucky. It seems the best choice for portable/quality recordings
16:33:03XavierGrI am super lucky I got 2 of them :D
16:33:45Hansmaulwurfhrhr yes, but my player needs a new battery
16:33:49Hansmaulwurfor i buy the X5
16:34:01XavierGrHansmaulwurf: Buy a new battery.
16:34:12 Nick daurn|laptop is now known as daurn|afk (i=daurnscr@unaffiliated/daurn)
16:34:12DBUGEnqueued KICK daurn|afk
16:34:14XavierGrThey are cheap
16:34:20Hansmaulwurfi propably will
16:34:37whatboutbobthe X5 does look nice tho...
16:34:59XavierGrH300 looks nicer hehe....
16:35:02Hansmaulwurfand it have a remote LCD and aint a apple product
16:35:12Hansmaulwurf;)
16:35:22XavierGrexactly
16:35:34whatboutbobjust to clarify...when i say 'looks'...i don't mean the aesthetics...i'm not an ipod owner. :)
16:35:35XavierGrbetter an X5 than an iPod
16:36:00 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.55.dynamic.dejazzd.com)
16:36:26XavierGrhehe
16:36:44whatboutbobxavierGr: I'm trying to talk myself out of getting a h3xx .
16:36:54whatboutbobyes...i just admitted talking to myself...
16:37:06XavierGryou mean to avoid buying it?
16:37:15whatboutbobyeah
16:37:22XavierGrI did that conversation with myself too. It's been a while
16:37:25whatboutbobi don't need another damn dap.
16:37:31XavierGryou ahve a valid point
16:37:36whatboutbobbut the colours look so purty.
16:37:37Hansmaulwurfthe only thing i miss from the iriver fw is mp3 recording
16:38:19Hansmaulwurfif this would work on rockbox i would have a perfect player hardware with a perfect software
16:38:23whatboutbobhans: bah, i've got a h120 dedicated to recording so i don't need mp3 rec.
16:38:29XavierGrwhatboutbob my thinking: I bought H300 as a buckup unit. The colour screen is very sweet, (though it consumes more) and the USB OTG with rockbox will be a *sweet*
16:39:09whatboutbobis USB OTG really only useful for digi cameras and the like?
16:39:10Hansmaulwurfand the USB OTG with rockbox will be a *sweet* <−−−−- dreaming of real time TV over DVBT!!!!
16:39:50CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16:39:50*XavierGr drools
16:40:30XavierGron the flu plugin, playback from the removable storage, HID!!!!
16:40:34 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Kühe!!!")
16:40:36Mikachuon the flu? lol
16:40:40XavierGrhehe
16:40:50XavierGrI lost my words with my drooling
16:40:50Mikachunext level of computer viruses
16:40:56whatboutbobXav: you can get shots for that sort of thing...
16:42:04whatboutbobbtw, if anyone wants to hear a rockbox h1xx optical recording and has bandwidth to spare: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22023
16:42:23XavierGrwhat genre is it?
16:42:28whatboutbobben harper
16:42:44whatboutbobfolk/rock/pop
16:43:03Hansmaulwurfyeah Ben Harper
16:43:10*Hansmaulwurf starts downloading
16:43:36Hansmaulwurfwhatboutbob: get the live album "Live from Mars", its excellent
16:43:49whatboutbobwas not an ideal location in a huge arena, but i'm reasonably happy with how it turned out.
16:43:54XavierGrwho was the guy on rockbox foroums that recorded a church organ? That was amazing.
16:43:57whatboutbobhans: got it
16:44:07whatboutbobXav: yeah, that was awesome...
16:44:42whatboutbobwas he the same guy that went around recording choral (ie church choir) music?
16:44:59Hansmaulwurfwhatboutbob: do i have to register to get the tracker?
16:47:04whatboutbobhans: i believe so.
16:50:18 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
16:51:39 Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:54:02Hansmaulwurfim planning to send the 3.0 announcement to heise.de when it is released, i hope Rockbox have enough bandwith
16:54:02Hansmaulwurf:P
16:54:52*petur returns, sees usbotg mentioned and runs off again
16:55:01 Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:57:38*XavierGr counts to 10 and start looking for petur :D
16:59:21*petur hits XavierGr with an isp1362
17:00
17:00:00peturthe hardware hates me :/
17:00:40*whatboutbob notes that petur's not very good at hiding...
17:01:30Hansmaulwurf3.0 will be released today?
17:01:33peturI didn't hide, I just ran off
17:01:53*whatboutbob notest that petur is very good at typing on the move...
17:01:54Hansmaulwurfor is it called juneday now?
17:02:03XavierGrah so it wasn't a hide seek... so why did I count up to 10!
17:02:32XavierGrHansmaulwurf: No, I think today is not the day.
17:02:41XavierGrmaybe on 2nd of June
17:06:03 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-150-132.pools.arcor-ip.net)
17:13:47 Join webguest77 [0] (n=51b354d1@labb.contactor.se)
17:16:48 Quit webguest77 (Client Quit)
17:21:50 Part wibbix
17:26:34 Quit XavierGr ()
17:29:00 Quit ashridah ("Leaving")
17:33:58 Join webguest96 [0] (n=51b354d1@labb.contactor.se)
17:40:49 Quit webguest96 ("CGI:IRC")
17:41:34 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp119-241.adsl.forthnet.gr)
17:45:13***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
17:47:24 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk)
17:52:55 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz)
18:00
18:02:09peturthings are worse than I imagined: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article621189.ece
18:04:34tucozlike 'wag the dog'
18:05:12FebsGod, I am sick of people asking when Rockbox will be released.
18:05:12Febshttp://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42442
18:05:34FebsIt's like riding in a car with small children in the back asking "are we there yet?" over and over again.
18:05:46XavierGrhehe
18:05:47merbananFebs: are we there yet ?
18:06:15petur[pop]
18:06:20whatboutbobfebs: how 'bout now?
18:06:28XavierGrpetur: you realised this now? This story is heard for 1 year now...
18:07:14whatboutbobpetur: yeah...colour me shocked...
18:07:38whatboutbobUS government releases propaganda? What?!?!?!
18:07:47peturnews... as you knew it
18:08:29whatboutbobone of the most eye-opening things I've done is travel through Canada, US, UK, Egypt & Australia immediately before, during and after the 'Gulf War 2'.
18:08:39petureven intel seems to have done it...
18:08:57 Join rconan [0] (n=richard@82.12.17.242)
18:09:05whatboutbob...you wouldn't believe it was the same war based on the differing news coverage between countries...
18:09:23peturnews flash: two AMD servers overheated and were shut down. small print: this item was created by intel
18:10:37FebsWell, that is the function of corporate media relations departments, after all. They're not going to issue a press release that says, "we suck."
18:11:39*petur takes his bike and goes home
18:11:51 Quit petur ("[x]")
18:12:13 Join bk0 [0] (n=bk@cpe-24-195-202-150.nycap.res.rr.com)
18:13:43preglowi don't get why people are so focused on a release, i thought everyone used dailies anyway
18:14:21whatboutbobfebs: yeah, but it seems somewhat dishonest of the broadcast media to remove any preface and claim 'reports' as their own.
18:14:31 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com)
18:14:47ender`what's a release? :)
18:14:52whatboutbobpreglow: didn't you hear? 3.0 will solve world debt.
18:15:11FebsWell, likewise, it's wrong to include factually inaccurate material in a press release.
18:15:47FebsBut I've seen plenty of "news" articles that were simply verbatim reprints of a company's press release.
18:15:54preglowwhatboutbob: always knew i'd have a hand in that
18:16:09tucozAs I follow the development of rockbox closely, I do not care about releases. But, for a lot of other programs I do not follow their development and tend to use whatever is availalble from the ubuntu repos. This might be the case for some people out there.
18:16:17preglowgod knows how many times i've uttered the word "good god, how i hate the media"
18:16:29preglows/word/phrase/
18:16:35*whatboutbob counts the words in that sentence...
18:16:56tucozHowever, I do not think the people over at mr do _not_ follow rockbox development
18:17:07 Join Redbreva_ [0] (n=redbreva@host86-134-212-125.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
18:17:59tucozs/do/does
18:18:00whatboutbobthe print media's prolly even worse at that stuff...i guess its cheaper to put words to paper and send it off to 'em than to produce a 'VNR'
18:18:03Febstucoz, some do, some don't−−it's pretty much the same on the RB forums. Many people don't release that the *release* isn't going to give them anything new.
18:18:25FebsAnd that it's the lifting of the feature freeze that they should be excited about (if they're looking for new features).
18:18:59 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-66-161-184-136.fuse.net)
18:19:12whatboutbobI can def understand the security that people get out of a 'release' though. They assume that it is a stable 'snapshot'.
18:20:18whatboutbobthere's a lot of fringe users out there that do just want something stable and aren't neccessarily after the latest and greatest...they're just looking for the 6 monthly upgrade that they know will be relatively bug-free.
18:20:20tucozFebs, JDGordons ideas on key-def's were something along the lines with your ideas. Maybe we could adopt that to the manual.
18:20:26*whatboutbob stops preaching to the converted.
18:21:37rconani imagine there are a lot of users without a compiler to hand to use the cvs version
18:21:43 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-125-097.pools.arcor-ip.net)
18:23:57pirokospeaking of which, where is the location of that handy script someone wrote to download and compile the arm-elf-gcc toolkit?
18:24:27 Quit Redbreva_ (Remote closed the connection)
18:25:22pirokoah. nevermind. it comes in the sources
18:26:04 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
18:26:06bk0the biggest reason to do the release is to end the freeze.
18:27:01Febsrconan, you don't need a compiler to use the CVS version. There are new bleeding edge builds posted on each source code update.
18:27:20rconanoh i hadnt noticed that
18:27:34rconani always compile my own stuff when im tracking the development anyway
18:34:25 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-67-180.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr)
18:37:00 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115)
18:41:05 Join Redbreva_ [0] (n=redbreva@host86-134-212-125.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)
18:48:39 Quit piroko ("telinit 0")
18:50:13 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
18:59:14 Quit bk0 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
18:59:23 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
18:59:37 Join webguest51 [0] (n=c15c9642@labb.contactor.se)
19:00
19:00:04 Join bk0 [0] (n=bk@cpe-24-195-202-150.nycap.res.rr.com)
19:04:56 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-78-18.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr)
19:06:45 Nick mirak is now known as pouet (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-78-18.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr)
19:14:02 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19:15:39newbyx86tools/rockboxdedv.sh
19:15:41newbyx86@ piroko
19:15:43newbyx86damnit he left
19:21:51 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19:21:56markunnewbyx86: yes, and he already found it
19:24:41 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-150-132.pools.arcor-ip.net)
19:26:58 Join ep0ch_ [0] (n=ep0ch@195-112-29-100.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk)
19:29:19ep0ch_instead of missing the release deadline, why not release a rockbox 3.0 beta1?
19:30:36newbyx86markun, mmk.
19:34:20 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com)
19:35:18 Join Xinux [0] (i=xinux6@71-81-252-96.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com)
19:38:02 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
19:44:59Hansmaulwurf(ep0ch_) instead of missing the release deadline, why not release a rockbox 3.0 beta1? <−− i think the bleeding edge and daily builds are doing the same
19:45:09 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
19:45:15***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
19:55:27 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
20:00
20:00:30 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.)
20:00:31 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
20:04:13 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur)
20:09:13 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-102-100.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr)
20:10:24 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")
20:13:28preglowHansmaulwurf: what would the point be?
20:13:36preglowHansmaulwurf: we already have betas, on the daily build page
20:13:41preglowahh, yes
20:13:44preglowi should read entire sentences
20:20:36 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20:21:29 Quit rconan ("Leaving")
20:22:53ep0ch_well i was thinking that dailys are a bit too granular
20:22:58 Join Artemis [0] (n=sandi@0x3ef32b08.boanxx6.adsl.tele.dk)
20:24:58 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20:25:39 Join reezeh [0] (n=reezeh@reezeh.gotadsl.co.uk)
20:27:44 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.)
20:27:45 Join qwert [0] (n=xavier@ppp119-241.adsl.forthnet.gr)
20:28:24 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@ppp119-241.adsl.forthnet.gr)
20:28:56 Quit jchillerup (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20:29:29 Join jchillerup [0] (n=chill@port167.ds1-vir.adsl.cybercity.dk)
20:29:35 Part qwert
20:31:38 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
20:34:50 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-150-132.pools.arcor-ip.net)
20:35:38 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
20:40:40 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
20:40:43 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20:40:45 Join BockBilbo [0] (n=BockBilb@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es)
20:40:48BockBilbohello
20:40:49BockBilbo:)
20:43:11BockBilboany of you has an iriver from the H series?
20:43:30BockBilboi've just read that it is possible to change its HD
20:43:44peturyes
20:43:46BockBilboanyone knows about the truth of this fact?
20:43:53 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@ppp-70-251-78-186.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
20:43:54thegeek_check out the misticriver forum
20:43:59thegeek_very easy to do
20:44:04BockBilbowow thats great
20:44:05BockBilbo:)
20:44:12thegeek_well
20:44:16BockBilbohow much does a 80gb hd cost?
20:44:18thegeek_new hd's are kinda expensive
20:44:22thegeek_check out the forum
20:44:26thegeek_links and stuff
20:44:35BockBilbooks
20:44:47BockBilboive got another question, now related with rockbox
20:44:54petur80gb is still not available I think
20:45:06BockBilbommm petur ive read on the wikipedia that it is..
20:45:12BockBilboanyway, gonna take a look at that forum
20:45:28peturannounced yes, but actually shipping?
20:45:35*petur has another look
20:45:55BockBilboabout the other question, any of you have tried to add the audioscobbler plugin to rockbox?
20:46:00BockBilbopetur.. no idea
20:46:30oboBockBilbo: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 - there is another one linked in there as well
20:46:48 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
20:47:04BockBilboobo, i already found that
20:47:35BockBilbobut before compiling the whole rockbox myself, i wanted to know if it works good for you guys and the usual procedure that i would need to follow to send the data to last.fm
20:48:25oboBockBilbo: at the moment it just logs to a file - the audioscrobbler guys are planning on adding support to the new beta client
20:48:32obono eta yet
20:51:19oboalthough if it's going to be ages I might see about writing an uploader
20:57:04 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20:57:18 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3129.gwdg.de)
20:58:34 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting")
21:00
21:01:15BockBilboobo, and how do we do to upload the file to the server?
21:01:22BockBilbodo we have to do it manually?
21:01:27 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21:01:30 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
21:03:55 Join shrimants [0] (n=chatzill@adsl-70-141-182-48.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net)
21:05:23 Join lukaswayne9 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
21:05:44shrimantsare there any plans to add video support to rockbox for ipod?
21:06:14lukaswayne9Hello! I'm using an ipod video g5. I'd like to keep the original firmware as my default boot option, how can I do that? I see an image for the ipod color, but not for the video. Can someone help me out here?
21:08:35markunshrimants: noone has figured out how the chip works that does the video decoding
21:10:12markunat least for the ipod video. Someone might write a video player that uses the CPU to decode the video.
21:10:17preglowif you want retailos to boot by default, you need to modify the bootloader yourself
21:10:26dprolukaswayne9: IIRC there's a patched bootloader somewhere
21:10:42dprolukaswayne9: that will boot OF as the default
21:10:51lukaswayne9dpro: I saw one, but it was for the ipod color, which I do not own :-\
21:10:56shrimantsbut is it possible to use, say, ipod linux's bootloader to load either rockbox or the apple OS?
21:10:57markunshrimants: if you are interested, look at the video section of the patch tracker
21:11:02dproah ic
21:11:15shrimants...im sorry but that made no sense to me
21:11:23dproshrimants: you can use rb's for that too
21:11:29*dpro triple boots
21:11:41lukaswayne9preglow: I don't have a toolchain compiler available, is there a prepatched version available?
21:11:44Galoisthe bootloader is one file. color and video are the same.
21:12:08lukaswayne9Galois: I'll give that a shot
21:12:22shrimantsso i CAN have video, but i would have to use the bootloader or something else to pick the fw that can do it
21:12:24shrimantsright?
21:12:33shrimants(it sucks being new)
21:13:09markunshrimants: yes, booting into apples firmware would also work (if you have the ipod video)
21:13:28dproshrimants: exactly
21:13:43shrimantsi cow feel compelled to say, i love you guys
21:13:46shrimantsi now*
21:13:46lukaswayne9Galois: why are there seperate bootloaders for the ipod color and ipod vidoe?
21:13:48shrimantslol
21:13:55shrimantsthank you
21:14:24 Quit shrimants ("buttsecks rly?")
21:15:23dpro is there any work done on audio input support ?
21:15:35dpro for ipod that is ...
21:20:10preglowfeature freeze
21:20:36preglowi think someone was workign on it, but i haven't heard anything about it since the feature freeze began
21:22:40 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-086-006.pools.arcor-ip.net)
21:23:29dpropreglow: yeah ... wmcodec_enable_recording(bool source_mic) looks like a stub ...
21:24:10*dpro goes and searches the ml archives
21:24:19 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21:30:07dprohmmm anyone knows where the datasheets for the ipod audio chips are ?
21:32:18Xinuxnew yorks crime index is such bull
21:32:44Xinux597 murders a year, and they are below-average in crime
21:32:46davidc___dpro: don't we wish :P
21:33:16 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-45703854.dyn.optonline.net)
21:33:59 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
21:34:20 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
21:34:41markundpro: ipod linux is a good source for info
21:34:56BockBilbois it possible to record from fm directly?
21:35:29Xinuxcan i use my ipod to print money out ?
21:35:40Xinuxattach some kind of small printing device to it
21:35:58peturBockBilbo: yes (depends on player)
21:36:01*dpro slaps forehead
21:36:13BockBilbopetur i have an iHP140
21:36:17dpromarkun: could've come up with that ;)
21:36:28 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
21:37:03peturBockBilbo: tune radio, start menu and go to recording, select line-in as source
21:37:46BockBilbopetur, do you also have an iriver?
21:37:49peturI think there may be an other way too
21:37:52peturh340
21:38:48BockBilbomm i was about to ask you what theme were you using, but i think i cannot use any of yours
21:39:03linuxstbdpro: Apart from the 3g and Mini, we don't have the actual datasheets for the ipod audio codec chips. Which ipod do you have?
21:39:18linuxstb(in fact, maybe not even for the mini...)
21:39:23peturBockBilbo: I'm trying iCatcher atm
21:39:45peturBockBilbo: it also has an h1x0 version
21:40:02BockBilbo:)
21:40:14BockBilboby the way, on the recoding meu, i dont get line-in
21:40:22BockBilboi get mic, digital and analogic
21:40:33BockBilbo(translated from spanish).. i guess its an issue with translation or so..
21:40:33peturanalog
21:40:41dprook apparently there /should/ be code in ipl that records ...
21:40:53dprolinuxstb: mini2g and video
21:41:01XavierGrpetur: now that you said iCatcher, I wonder if this theme will manage to be in 3.0
21:41:09petur:D
21:41:13XavierGrWhere Cassandra is lost?
21:41:29_FireFly_XavierGr: in outer space ;)
21:41:35BockBilbogreat, seens to work petur :)
21:41:53XavierGrhehe
21:43:00BockBilbowow that iCatcher thing is great..
21:43:01 Join pronto [0] (n=pronto@c-69-243-56-122.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
21:43:18prontohey
21:43:28BockBilbosucks that the h140 doenst have a colour screen
21:43:28BockBilbo:S
21:43:37XavierGrIt is a shame to release without it :(
21:43:58peturBockBilbo: but you have digital in/out
21:44:14BockBilbopetur, true... though i dont use it
21:44:19BockBilbowhat woud it be good for?
21:44:28peturrecording?
21:44:43BockBilbomm
21:44:51BockBilboin what scenario?
21:44:55peturmany audiophiles use the h1x0 for concert taping and good audio playback
21:44:59BockBilboi usually use the analog input
21:45:07peturme too
21:45:13BockBilbomm interesting
21:45:14BockBilbo:)
21:45:16peturbut some have higher standards ;)
21:45:17***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:45:37BockBilbolol
21:46:00linuxstbdpro: The mini2g doesn't support recording afaik, and IPL haven't implemented it for the 5g (again, afaik).
21:46:28BockBilboim trying to find the iCatcher theme for my player.. but cant find it, are you sure that such version exists?
21:46:59tom__bah, rockbox reared its head
21:47:06tom__I changed some tag cache thing and it won't boot now :\
21:47:42peturBockBilbo: check the patch tracker
21:47:54BockBilboam
21:47:55BockBilbook
21:47:58linuxstbdpro: I was planning on working on ipod recording after 3.0, but I'ld be very happy if you beat me to it.
21:48:17 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
21:48:25 Join webguest75 [0] (n=42bdcf5a@labb.contactor.se)
21:48:35 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-150-132.pools.arcor-ip.net)
21:48:54 Quit webguest75 (Client Quit)
21:49:02BockBilbohttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11577
21:49:09BockBilbomm dont like it for my device :(
21:49:43 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-115-192.pools.arcor-ip.net)
21:50:05peturthen check here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100
21:50:49BockBilboi already checked that
21:50:52peturI think 'retro' is cool
21:51:04 Quit pronto ("Leaving")
21:51:06BockBilboive made my kind of theme modifyin the rotator one
21:51:19peturrotator is nice too
21:51:29BockBilbo:)
21:51:49BockBilbois it possible to configure the recording format?
21:51:53peturfeel free to post you version there too (give credit where needed)
21:52:22peturrecording is only 44.4/16 only atm
21:52:39BockBilbobut, i mean... mp3, wav
21:52:52BockBilboand the different mp3 bitrate
21:52:53peturwav only, encoding is coming
21:53:07BockBilbook
21:53:14BockBilbofine
21:53:25peturmp3 encoding on a portable device may never get the quality a pc can give (cpu power)
21:53:32BockBilboi though it also encoded, as the iriver default firmware
21:53:34BockBilboi see
21:53:52BockBilbowell i dont care alot about encoding, i dont usually record stuff
21:53:56petuririver mp3 encoding sucks, even at 320kbps
21:54:02BockBilbolol
21:54:44BockBilboive got a silly question.. is rockbox better than ipod linux?
21:55:00peturdepends what you want
21:55:11BockBilboi see
21:55:18BockBilbooi havent get much into ipod linux
21:55:34BockBilbobut i guess it's benefit is that it uses a linux kernel, right?
21:55:48peturwhy?
21:55:49linuxstbWe don't see that as a benefit.
21:56:06*petur wonders why they need to stuff thet linux kernel everywhere
21:56:11petur*that
21:57:13BockBilbopetur, it was just a guess
21:58:01 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@212.159.107.123)
21:59:47davidc___petur: hey! :P
22:00
22:00:15peturhmmm?
22:00:27*davidc___ is from ipodlinux ;)
22:00:58davidc___eh, both projects are really for different things.. rockbox is better as a general purpose MP3 player replacement
22:01:02*petur is not so fanatic when it comes to OS and technology
22:01:19davidc___ipodlinux is better when it comes to moving larger software across / apps / etc
22:02:33davidc___because its more like a mainstream OS than rockbox
22:03:04davidc___hwoever, rockbox is faster because its closer to the HW than ipl
22:03:19BockBilbodavidc___, i see
22:03:38BockBilbothanks :)
22:04:35BockBilbowhats the best voice file to use?
22:04:52linuxstbdavidc___: Did anything happen with your TV-out experiments the other night? The logs were empty...
22:05:56 Quit Poka64 ("nite")
22:06:28 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
22:06:39 Part r1sk
22:06:39 Join r1sk [0] (n=iRiver@bzq-88-152-20-46.red.bezeqint.net)
22:08:18 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.)
22:08:19 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn)
22:09:50BockBilbopetur, can you give me your opinion on the theme ive made?
22:09:53BockBilboim making an screenshot
22:14:07BockBilbopetur, http://goikoetxeta.com/01.jpg
22:14:15davidc___linuxstb: another project had a last minute issue
22:14:18BockBilboshould i add something else?
22:14:19davidc___linuxstb: couldn't get to it
22:14:27davidc___linuxstb: paying work always seems to take precedence :(
22:14:40*petur spots a theme that could use the margins patch ;)
22:15:18BockBilbomm that's basicly aproblem with the rotator theme
22:15:36BockBilbodoes that patch needs to recompile the whole rockbox?
22:15:50peturyes
22:16:02BockBilbo.. i might do it in 3 weeks
22:16:09BockBilbolol.. i was supposed to be studing right now
22:16:12peturwhat's a partial recompile btw?
22:16:13BockBilbo8-)
22:16:21BockBilbommm
22:16:47BockBilbowill it take less than 15 minutes?
22:17:15 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:17:31peturif you have the build environment ready and the patch still applies cleanly: yes
22:17:44BockBilbomm
22:17:59BockBilboshould i use the cvs sources?
22:18:28peturwhat else...
22:18:36BockBilbo...
22:18:55BockBilboany other nice patch to apply?
22:20:27peturdunno.
22:20:37peturamiconn? preglow?
22:20:51BockBilbopetur, which of these is the margin patch you were talking about? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=margin&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0
22:20:53 Join Noah0504 [0] (n=noah@66.141.90.76)
22:21:13 Join ender` [0] (i=useless@84.52.165.220)
22:21:24peturScrolling text margin for the wps
22:22:00Noah0504I see the logo was changed in one of the last builds.
22:22:01peturlucky you, it has been updated today
22:22:10Noah0504For the iPod Video anyway.
22:22:44 Quit RedBreva ("Time for Tubby ByeBye")
22:24:25midkaywhat?
22:24:55 Quit Redbreva_ (Remote closed the connection)
22:24:55Noah0504Huh?
22:25:07peturheh?
22:25:07midkaywhat logo has been changed?
22:28:21BockBilbopetur, whats the proper way to apply a patch? patch <file.patch ?
22:28:46Mikachuyou may need -p0 or -p1
22:29:00Noah0504The Rockbox logo. I installed the latest build...
22:29:11Noah0504The logo that you see when it loads.
22:29:17markunNoah0504: what does it look like now?
22:29:17BockBilbobut Mikachu is there any way to avoid questions?
22:29:23midkayNoah0504, it hasn't been changed in.. like.. 4-5 months, i think.
22:29:34MikachuBockBilbo: ?
22:29:38BockBilbonevermind
22:29:50midkayBockBilbo, how old was your build?! :)
22:29:53Noah0504It shows a woman holding a audio player and it has Rockbox across it.
22:29:58BockBilboits new
22:30:03peturwahaha
22:30:29midkayhow old was the one you upgraded from? i committed a 5G-sized logo on february 18th. :)
22:31:00BockBilbothe one i had before is from yesterday's nightly build
22:31:09midkayweird.
22:31:13midkaywhat's different?
22:31:26tucozNoah0504, is that an experiental build perhaps?
22:31:31tucozexperimental
22:32:01BockBilbomidkay, on what? im just trying to make my own build so i can add some features such as the audioscrobbler or the margin thing
22:32:10Noah0504I don't know...maybe it was something else I added that changed it...
22:32:10midkaymy bad, i'm.. mixing people up. :)
22:32:17BockBilbothats what i though
22:32:18BockBilbo;)
22:32:23Noah0504Check it out for yourself, haha, see if I'm wrong.
22:32:26*midkay slips back into the shadows
22:32:38midkayNoah0504, but what's different about it?
22:32:47*petur puts on his torch
22:32:48*midkay runs a cvs up
22:33:29Noah0504midkay, Nothing that I can really tell...I haven't really messed around with it though.
22:34:03midkayso the logo is different, but you can't really tell what's changed about it? or are you referring to the featureset/functionality of the daily build?
22:34:07 Join patterson [0] (n=null@dialup-4.243.170.147.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net)
22:34:12 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:36:41 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@d01v-89-83-189-132.d4.club-internet.fr)
22:37:01Noah0504The latter.
22:37:28BockBilbois there any page with different equalizer preset files?
22:38:16Noah0504...or, does anyone have a nice preset that covers pretty much all music. I've been looking for one of those.
22:38:17markunBockBilbo: like 'rock' and 'jazz'?
22:38:39BockBilboyeah
22:38:42markunNoah0504: depends on your headphones..
22:39:24markunBockBilbo: Don't know why you think those are needed, but if you create them there are a few people in the forum (not me) that would be happy
22:39:40Noah0504markun, Well, when I use my default iPod headphones, I just turn it off...but I have a nice set of home-theater headphones.
22:40:19BockBilbomarkun i was just asking for them because i think that sometimes they are useful, and so i dont need to create them myself
22:42:06Noah0504Does anyone know if Rockbox will ever handle pictures better and even support video?
22:42:21markunThe only useful eq preset I can think of is the one for 'negerpunk' :)
22:42:57Noah0504Actually, I know why it chokes when handeling my pictures...iTunes creates smaller files...mine are still fullsize.
22:43:05Noah0504Eh, I should have realized that earlier.
22:43:06markunNoah0504: we can only guess what the future will bring..
22:43:17 Quit pouet (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:43:17Noah0504Well, then I'm guessing video!
22:43:18Noah0504hehe
22:43:23markun:)
22:44:24markunI would like to work on video support after the gigabeat port is working
22:44:50Noah0504What's gigabeat?
22:44:56Noah0504*Googles*
22:45:17markunSeries of players by Toshiba
22:45:32Noah0504Ahh, cool stuff.
22:45:36markunWe are working on rockbox for the F and X series: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo
22:46:56Noah0504So, does each port have it's own features, or are they pretty much the same across each player?
22:47:05*petur tests recording with selective boosting
22:47:34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net)
22:47:38 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:48:00peturlinuxstb: still adsl troubles?
22:48:21markunNoah0504: rockbox uses the same high level code, but some features depend on the hardware (like recording, colour support etc)
22:48:34Noah0504Gotcha
22:49:04 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
22:50:27 Quit patterson ()
22:50:30 Quit Noah0504 ("Leaving")
22:50:43BockBilbois it possible to install rockbox on any archos mp3 player?
22:51:25peturBockBilbo: rtfw (w = wiki) ;)
22:51:41 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-66-81.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr)
22:51:48BockBilbolol
22:51:49BockBilboxD
22:54:18 Part tucoz ("Leaving")
22:55:12 Join patterson [0] (n=null@dialup-4.243.170.147.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net)
22:56:01 Join jchillerup| [0] (n=chill@port167.ds1-vir.adsl.cybercity.dk)
23:00
23:02:58 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-44-11.dsl.pipex.com)
23:03:41 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:03:57*petur calls for recording testers: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5457
23:07:49 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@d04m-89-83-123-193.d4.club-internet.fr)
23:07:52 Quit jchillerup (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:08:15 Quit Artemis ("lead me , or let the Girl handle ya")
23:09:38 Quit lukaswayne9 ("Ex-Chat")
23:11:16 Quit bluey- (Remote closed the connection)
23:13:27 Quit jchillerup| (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23:16:48 Quit Ribs ("Leaving")
23:21:12Xinuxim out
23:21:16 Quit Xinux ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )")
23:25:51 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting")
23:30:03 Quit lodesi ("Leaving")
23:33:13 Quit petur ("Zzzz")
23:34:16*midkay sighs and is baffled
23:35:08 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com)
23:36:49Mikachuwow, at the same time?
23:36:55midkayyeah. believe it?
23:37:25*Mikachu is in awe and cardiac arrest
23:37:29midkayhaha.
23:38:32sharpemidkay!
23:38:41midkaysharpe.
23:38:41midkay:(
23:38:50sharpeohes noes?
23:39:00midkayyeah.
23:39:09sharpestill can't find those cds?
23:39:16midkayah, haven't been looking. :)
23:39:18 Quit patterson ()
23:39:20sharpeheh
23:39:37midkay*now* i'm getting angered over the bounce update i've been working on. something's not right..
23:40:07midkayah, w8.
23:40:34*Mikachu sk8s and ber8s
23:40:47sharpei suppose it's a safe bet you haven't even touched the side port? :)
23:41:25midkayhaha.
23:41:30midkayyou shouldn't have trusted me with it.
23:41:39sharpelol
23:43:00sharpeit's just a rough port of side, keeps the same way it does each frame and such, i'm planning on actually improving it.
23:43:50BockBilbobueno
23:43:57BockBilbothanks a lot
23:43:58BockBilbo:)
23:43:59BockBilbobye!!!
23:44:18 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99)
23:44:46 Quit midkay (Nick collision from services.)
23:44:48 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@24.143.70.99)
23:44:54markunsharpe: what's side?
23:45:04sharpespace invaders emulator
23:45:15sharpespace invaders didactic emulator, as an acronym
23:45:19***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:45:22 Quit BockBilbo ("Ex-Chat")
23:47:20sharpemidkay! idea!
23:47:22sharpei have!
23:47:26midkaywhaT?!
23:47:38sharperemember the whole, uncompressed zip type thing?
23:48:04sharpelets implement zip compression!!
23:48:24midkayooh.
23:50:59sharpeor something else.
23:52:39 Part Paul_The_Nerd
23:52:41 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com)
23:58:01sharpepaul throws down on the hfs+ guy...

Previous day | Next day