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#rockbox log for 2006-06-02

00:03:22*BHSPitMonkey burns a petur
00:03:40*petur hates the heat
00:04:00*BHSPitMonkey knows this
00:04:05*BHSPitMonkey continues
00:04:17*sharpe feels left out. sharpe goes off to code something.
00:04:19 Quit wooo ()
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00:05:28preglowdon't hate the heat
00:05:32preglowi miss the damn bugger
00:06:10 Quit midkay ("Leaving")
00:07:33 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com)
00:07:42qwmanyone present?
00:07:46qwmwhen did midk quit?
00:08:02Quarrymanmidkay?
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00:09:23Strath21:07 cst
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00:10:12Strathand 17:05 cst (again :) )
00:10:22qwmcst as in cest?
00:10:34qwmno
00:10:36Strathcentral standard time
00:10:42qwmcentral waht?!
00:10:42qwm:p
00:10:54StrathUS :P
00:10:56 Quit RedBreva ("Time for Tubby ByeBye")
00:11:12qwmpff. :p
00:11:21qwmsuch arrogant names on your time zones.
00:11:22qwm:p
00:11:30Strath1 minute before you joined
00:11:36qwmhaha.
00:11:39qwmhow.. typical.
00:11:52qwm<- cest btw
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00:21:34 Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3036.gwdg.de)
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00:23:59peturPaulJam: sorry to hear about the UDA....
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00:29:36*Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
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00:39:28XavierGrPaul: What happened with your UDA?
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00:40:01*petur hands XavierGr some glasses
00:40:24peturPaul_The_Nerd != PaulJam
00:40:55XavierGroops
00:41:11XavierGrI already wear glasses in order to see :p
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00:42:48Paul_The_NerdMy sighs were about the fact that I just saw my first spam in the forum... and subsequently issued my first ban.
00:43:20XavierGrI have 7 degress of myopia.
00:43:29preglowand i have beer!
00:43:30peturyou'll get used to it
00:43:40XavierGrPaul: You did the right thing. Good job.
00:44:12Paul_The_NerdWell, it was two and a half pages of advertisement for buying and selling cellphones, and an email address... It was a little bit more than simply "off topic" :)
00:44:31Mode"#RockBox +o preglow " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:44:34XavierGranyway what happened to PaulJam's UDA? Broke?
00:44:40Mode"#RockBox -o preglow " by preglow (n=thomjoha@rockbox/developer/preglow)
00:44:42preglowfloops
00:45:27peturhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4584.0
00:45:30XavierGrpreglow: why, get an OP. You should see the MR channel. 7 ops out of 8 people.
00:45:43XavierGrLOL and they were kicking each other!
00:45:52PaulJamXavierGr: the volume on the right channel is very low and niosy
00:46:00preglowmr channel?
00:46:31XavierGrpreglow: misticriver channel
00:46:48preglowthere is one?
00:47:58XavierGryes at zuh.net
00:48:08BHSPitMonkeywow, over 1000 nicks in #ubuntu
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00:48:46XavierGrPaulJam: Damn sorry to hear that! I remeber one guy managed to resolder a new UDA, after that his unit was like new.
00:48:54preglowBHSPitMonkey: #ubuntu is hell
00:49:06preglowBHSPitMonkey: i've tried asking for something at least a dozen times, i've never had a reply
00:49:07BHSPitMonkeywell, I'm not a fan of crowded chats
00:49:09peturPaulJam: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4433.0 (at the bottom)
00:49:21BHSPitMonkeypreglow: how bout you get up and JFGI?
00:49:23BHSPitMonkey;)
00:49:54preglowBHSPitMonkey: this one is getting crowded too
00:49:55preglowjfgi??
00:50:02preglowahaha
00:50:03preglowright
00:50:06BHSPitMonkey:)
00:50:09preglowi googled that
00:50:12BHSPitMonkeythis is crowded, but mostly idling
00:50:13preglowwhich is a bit ironic :P
00:50:31BHSPitMonkeyscrolling is annoying, not necessarily the population
00:51:05preglowbut anywho
00:51:08preglowgotta bed
00:51:10preglowhave fun
00:51:30XavierGrbye, gnight
00:52:25BHSPitMonkeynite
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00:55:20Paul_The_NerdY'know, at this very moment, I think if I had one wish, it would be that when people said "Freezing" they meant "The player ceases to respond" rather than what seems to be an almost equally common case "the music skips"
00:55:52sharpei think of freezing in the first sense...
00:56:57Paul_The_NerdTo me freezing definitely means a cease of responsiveness for a generally decent period of time, if not permanently.
00:57:30Paul_The_NerdA half-second skip in music every 15 seconds is not, to me, "freezing" but it seems to be to a lot of people, creating general confusion when people chime in saying "I have the same problem"
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00:58:25sharpeskipping is addressed in the FAQ, is it not?
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00:58:47ender`i've had a freeze about a week ago - first the player went nuts (started skipping songs for a few seconds), then it froze, and i had to borrow a paperclip to reset it
00:59:04Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Definitely. I put it there myself.
00:59:22sharpeheh
00:59:39Paul_The_NerdI mean it's possible someone snuck in and removed it simply to thwart me, but I honestly find that conclusion unlikely at best.
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01:00:07sharpejust like my undetected removal of the ipod's 1.2ghz processor possiblility. muahaha.
01:01:04 Quit ender` (" Read what I mean, not what I write.")
01:01:11sharpewha...
01:01:55sharpe"Is "No File" error related to headphone detection?" i know it's about the playback, but it just sounds kind of like a redundant question... sort of... in my own sense.
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01:02:10XavierGrIMHO there should be a sticky in forums saying: Alwasy carry a paperclip while using Rockbox :p
01:02:11sharpeer, whatever the person's question was.
01:02:14sharpeor probelm.
01:02:16sharpeproblem.
01:02:18sharpei'll stop now.
01:05:00sharpei just need to find something to keep me occupied.
01:05:10*Paul_The_Nerd points to the list of bugs in the tracker.
01:05:41*sharpe refers to the fact that most of the bugs are due to something he doesn't have knowledge of, and when they are, they're for a player other than the one he uses.
01:06:02 Part stripwax
01:06:20Paul_The_NerdJust because you don't have the player, doesn't mean you can't figure out where the code is doing something wrong.
01:06:38sharpei know, but it gives me a reason to not try to fix bugs. :)
01:06:45Paul_The_NerdA clearly transparent one.
01:07:07sharpeyes.
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01:07:11Paul_The_NerdDo not complain of needing to keep occupied until you're willing to do ANYTHING to keep occupied. :-P
01:07:20sharpeheheh
01:07:59XavierGrsharpe: what about SIDE?
01:08:09XavierGrYou promised to make a patch...
01:08:24sharpethere's still that one problem, and i can't figure it out. midkay hasn't taken a look at it either.
01:08:36midkaylike it's my responsibility. :)
01:08:39sharpe:)
01:08:49XavierGrah so midkay has to source?
01:08:55XavierGrto = ther
01:09:02XavierGrargh
01:09:04sharpeaye, you want it? :)
01:09:05midkayyour port, your patch, your code.. i don't really plan on looking at it. :)
01:09:06XavierGrI mean the
01:09:31XavierGrsharpe: is it on a rockbox compatible state?
01:09:46sharpe... yes...
01:09:52XavierGrthen sure
01:10:07sharpeemail? or something else? or what?
01:10:13Paul_The_NerdY'know you could always post it to the tracker with a note "Has X bug still"
01:10:28sharpeyeh, but it's not too much of use then.
01:10:34XavierGremail it at <my nick> at g mail . com
01:10:40sharpeah.
01:10:41Paul_The_NerdSomeone else might fix the bug, or figure it out, though
01:10:45sharpeyes, i know.
01:11:02XavierGrI agree with Paul_The_Nerd. It doesn't matter if it has a major bug.
01:11:12Paul_The_Nerd's what the patch tracker is _for_ :-P
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01:11:29midkayagreed, but i personally also do not really like doing that. :)
01:11:39Paul_The_Nerd"Feature Request: Someone fix it for me! Incomplete Space InvaDers Emulator."
01:11:44sharpetis sent!
01:11:56midkayit just feels weird.. dunno.. not finishing something and posting it, or even "letting people mess with it before it's done"..
01:11:58sharpethen that makes me sound kind of... weird...
01:12:45sharpei agree with midkay on said things...
01:13:06midkayjust opinion/personal decision, of course..
01:13:11midkaynot something i like to do, though.
01:14:13sharpeoh, and you should be able to figure out where the rom is needed to be placed.
01:16:38XavierGrok
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01:17:37sharpeuses the same rom as SIDE does, and i just roughly ported things, so it isn't the fastest of everything.
01:18:26XavierGrthanks for sending it, I will look to it when I feel like it...
01:18:52sharpeyou're welcome
01:19:46peturhahaha Grumpy ol' Paul_The_Nerd :p
01:19:57sharpeand thanks for that remote possibility of looking at it. heheh...
01:21:51sharpeah
01:21:52sharpeidea
01:21:53sharpe!
01:22:08Paul_The_NerdI figure I deserve 1 grumpy post for ever 100 good ones.
01:22:14Paul_The_NerdBy that, I think I'm still owed about 15 grumpy ones.
01:22:29peturyou have all the rights
01:22:36sharpeand one spiteful ban for every 1000 nice posts.
01:23:15Paul_The_NerdThere is actually only one person on the whole forum that I just have an irrational urge to ban.
01:23:25sharpeah, who would that be?
01:23:31Paul_The_NerdI mean, not counting the spammer and stuff like that, as those are not only rational but valid reasons to ban someone
01:23:35Paul_The_NerdMan, I'm not telling who it is.
01:23:44sharpeoooh.
01:23:52ashridahyay! witchhunt!
01:24:05*ashridah gets out the trial manual
01:24:11sharpeobligatory quote, "we found a witch, may we burn her?"
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01:24:52Paul_The_NerdAs I said, it's a totally irrational urge. It's a "This person irritates me, for a variety of small repetitive reasons"
01:24:59sharpeheh...
01:25:06ashridahaah yeah. you run into people who do that from time to time.
01:25:18sharpeah, the consequences of being nice.
01:25:23Paul_The_NerdThough, oddly enough, I have a 100% valid reason to delete his account and prevent him from registering again for a short period, but it'd be somewhat petty to do so.
01:25:49sharpebut, my idea is one of... kind of... not greatly useful.
01:25:53ashridahmy personal favorite was the guy who claimed "yeah, but getting n^2 complexity is 'good enough'" simply because he took the computing theory lecturer literally
01:26:33Paul_The_NerdHehehe
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01:26:51Paul_The_NerdMan, people who trust lecturers... what can you do with 'em?
01:27:14ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: well, he failed to consider that the operation needed to happen within a threashold of time, a few hundred times a second :)
01:27:28sharpewhat was the operation?
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01:28:02ashridahsharpe: an algorithm for ensuring that cars and reservations fit together. turned out to be NP-complete, nothign we could do about it in the end
01:28:11sharpeah.
01:28:34ashridahdarnit.
01:28:38*ashridah must head to uni
01:28:42ashridah:s
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01:29:10sharpeohes noes.
01:29:17peturhmmm on the fly gain isn't always without danger: petur.homedns.org:8080/recglitch3.png">http://petur.homedns.org:8080/recglitch3.png
01:29:32sharpeooh.
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01:32:33sharpei think i'll go play some games. then work on something.
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01:48:46peturamiconn: still around
01:52:16*petur is off to bed
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03:17:43earHertzfor the arm-elf toolchaion, how do I compile crt0.o, the c runtime library?
03:23:52sharpewouldn't it already be compiled, if it's an object?
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03:25:17earHertzyeah, but it's not needed for rockbox
03:25:26sharpeoh.
03:25:29sharperighto.
03:25:49earHertzrockbox isn't a "hosted implementation", that is, there's no expectation of a the standard C lib.
03:25:58sharpei know...
03:26:03earHertzwe have parts of the lib, to make life weasier, but not the whole thing
03:28:43earHertzbebian doesn't know about bunzip2??
03:35:49aghasterbebian? lol
03:40:16*earHertz can't type
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03:52:02earHertzipod big endian or little?
03:53:01sharpebig
03:53:06earHertztanks
03:53:34earHertzipod MMU?
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03:54:07sharpeyou mean, if it has one? or...
03:54:11earHertzyah
03:54:16sharpei believe so...
03:54:19earHertzthaks
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03:55:17Davide-NYClinuxstb, amiconn, or preglow any of you interested in a 2nd Gen iPod?
03:56:03sharpewhat about sharpe? ;)
03:56:22Davide-NYCI was told to ping those three via IRC
03:56:26Davide-NYCso I am
03:56:28Davide-NYC:-)
03:56:34sharpei know
03:56:38sharpei was just kidding...
03:56:42Davide-NYCNP
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04:19:52*Falco98 sighs heavily
04:20:22aghasteris there documentation about how to write rockbox plugins?
04:20:40aghasteri'd like to read that.
04:20:47Galoisyes http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
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04:21:09sharpehow aptly named...
04:21:14aghasterlol
04:21:15aghasterthanks :)
04:23:31*aghaster begins to read
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04:25:50earHertzanyone else usig teh vmware debian for rockbox?
04:26:42 Quit hardeep ("[BX] We drink more beers than Norm on Cheers!")
04:30:55aghasterearHertz: why not real linux?
04:31:04*aghaster runs linux gentoo
04:31:15aghasterbtw the rockboxdev.sh tool is very handy
04:31:24BHSPitMonkeyanyone else running "teh" spell checker?
04:31:34earHertzBecause windows xps works, and linuxes seem to have ugluier fonts.
04:31:40aghasterxchat doesn't let me type t.e.h.
04:31:41aghasterlol
04:31:48aghasterHAHA
04:31:54BHSPitMonkeyme neither
04:31:56BHSPitMonkeyhence the quotes
04:32:06aghasterwell, sorry to tell you fonts can be changed and customized?
04:32:14aghasteranyway, i gotta go.
04:32:17aghastergood night
04:32:27BHSPitMonkeynite
04:32:38earHertzI mean, what with cygwin and knoppix and the vmplayer, I've warmed up to linux a lot. and prefer it for writing code. But... windows I'm used to.
04:32:50aghastermake the big jump. i did.
04:32:55aghasteri feel happy now
04:32:55aghasterlol
04:33:03BHSPitMonkeyearHertz: then use linux with KDE to start off with, you'll feel at home :P
04:33:17earHertzwhy jump when I canhavd the best of both?
04:33:18aghastererr, KDE
04:33:20aghasteri run gnome
04:33:46BHSPitMonkeysimilarly-located items, comparable bloat, resource hog... you'll forget you're in linux ;)
04:34:18aghasterand you'll significantly reduce warez usage XDF
04:34:22earHertzok, recommaned a vmplayer linux with a big roomy disk
04:34:27aghaster(don't tell me you run legal vmware?)
04:34:39BHSPitMonkey"<earHertz> why jump when I canhavd the best of both?" <−− sorry, but what's the "best" of windows?
04:34:42earHertzthe legal player, not the costly workstation
04:34:49aghasterok
04:34:51BHSPitMonkeyaghaster: vmware's kinda free
04:34:59aghasterah?
04:35:02BHSPitMonkeyplayer and server beta
04:35:06aghastersomebody forgot to told me that.
04:35:06aghasterlol
04:36:06aghasterwindows is definitly not a system for a hacker anyway.
04:36:15aghasterunless you are a warez monkey
04:36:25aghasterwhich i don't consider to be a hacker :P
04:36:33earHertzall my softwarwe is legal, and most is Open source
04:36:45aghasterthats good
04:37:02aghasterbut your OS isn't :P feel free to experience real freedom
04:37:23aghasteranyway, good night.
04:37:28earHertznight ;)
04:40:30Galoisif fonts is your main reason for using windows, try http://corefonts.sf.net/
04:41:45earHertzthanks. But it's not just fonmts, honestly, it's that windows is what I'm confortable with. and with cygwin amd vmware, why choose only one OS?
04:42:43GaloisI do more or less the opposite, linux is my main system and I use rdesktop.sf.net for windows
04:43:27earHertzwhatever works best for you
04:43:50sharpei use teh windows...
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04:49:09sharpeof course, i get no response.
04:50:45earHertzyou are not 1337
04:50:48earHertz;)
04:51:33sharpemeh...
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05:00:06*Falco98 passes a mailbox every day with big white numbers on it reading "1337"
05:00:34earHertzBasements have their own mailboxes now?
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05:01:19BHSPitMonkeyearHertz: why not run windows inside a virtual machine in linux?
05:02:27earHertzBecause of legal issues: since windows isn't free and neitehr is vm workshop, I'd need to eiterh purchase workshop of somwehoow give my authorized copy of windowws to someone who hhas it. Too much trouble.
05:02:55Falco98basements?
05:03:21earHertzjokre
05:03:24Falco98oh i get it, you're implying that i live only in a basement. heh.
05:03:32earHertzgeeljks living in tyheir mothers' basements
05:03:45earHertzno, that the person with teh mailbox does
05:03:52BHSPitMonkeydid you just pass out on the keyboard?
05:04:10earHertzi type basdly
05:04:18BHSPitMonkeyI believe you
05:05:12earHertzThat's why I prefer emasil to irc
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05:09:45sharpeg'night everyone.
05:09:52Kratosaight bye
05:09:56earHertznight
05:13:41XinuxWOOOO
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05:29:45saab_ridergood morning everyone
05:30:15saab_ridermarkun: hi markun, been a long time!
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05:30:53saab_rideranyone in the mood to help me with cygwin?
05:32:11earHertzsaab_rider: what's the prob?
05:33:09saab_riderearHertz: Hi! this is the second time I install cygwin, and I'm facing the same problem I had last time, only I can't remember the soloution :P
05:33:30saab_riderand the machine with my first install died :)
05:34:00earHertzok, what's the problem?
05:34:29saab_riderbasically, I installed cygwin, but don't know how to start it... some sort of problem with "bash"
05:34:58earHertzwhat happens when you click the icon?
05:35:22saab_rider'bash' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
05:35:55saab_riderthat's what I get when I try to run cygwin from the command propmpt
05:36:09earHertzyeah, it's not pathed
05:36:16earHertzrun it from the cygwin icon
05:36:46saab_riderwhen I run it from the icon, it momentarely opens the cmd then closes
05:36:49earHertzor( it's teh same thig), run c:\cygwin/cygwin.bat
05:37:09earHertzok, try the cygwin.bat form the cmd line
05:37:55saab_riderthat is what I did, and I got the message about bash
05:38:58earHertzfrom the dos command line, chdir to c:\cygwin\bash
05:39:09earHertzdo a dir, see what's in there
05:40:29earHertzer4, I mean, c:\cygwin\bin
05:40:51saab_riderh
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05:41:41saab_riderok, then?
05:41:51earHertzis there a bash.exe in there?
05:42:25saab_ridernope :(
05:43:01earHertzok, that's a problem
05:43:36earHertzreinstall cygwin
05:44:44saab_riderbare with me, could copying a bash.exe file into the directory solve it? (bash.exe from another install on another machine).. I know it sounds silly
05:44:59earHertzwho knows what else is missing
05:45:06earHertzdo a complete reinstall
05:45:19saab_riderok..
05:46:29earHertzand I've got to go. ask in #cygwin
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05:49:30saab_riderearhertz: thanks a lot!
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06:46:14jimstr978just installed rockbox on 5th gen ipod.. im upping music to try it out
06:47:00jimstr978this thing seems to owns.. I was using ipw via virtuapc on a os x machine.. now this seems to be even better than just using ipw..
06:47:46jimstr978anyone w/ a 5th gen 60gb that used the patch to change some buffer from 32 to 64mb?
06:48:02jimstr978does this matter? hello? 8)
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07:19:24jimstr978what would i have to do in a wps file to cancel a black background and using a bmp file as the background? anyone up?
07:20:23jimstr978can I just pull a line of code and use: %X|jb.bmp| at the end of the file?
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09:21:29bobTHChi folks !
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09:23:47BHSPitMonkeyhi folk!
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09:35:14markunhi bobTHC, long time ago..
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09:40:11bobTHCindeed, markun...
09:40:13bobTHC:)
09:40:38bobTHCtoo much work this year
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09:42:55peturamiconn: you here?
09:46:17bobTHCwhat about the native port of rockbox for the chinese device ?
09:46:44bobTHCany news ?
09:46:45B4gdernothing new there
09:46:50bobTHC:/
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09:47:50peturB4gder: nice progress with sandisk
09:47:56B4gderindeed
09:48:05B4gderit'll be very interesting
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10:04:00*preglow prays harder for portalplayer docs
10:04:58peturhehe
10:07:16preglowpp5024 looks similar to the other pp502x, at least
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10:11:26merbananB4gder: is it still just the initial contact with sandisk ?
10:11:39B4gderno, its proceeding
10:11:52B4gderthey're gonna send us stuff
10:12:28B4gderor rather send it to me
10:12:30crwlwhat kind of device was that?
10:12:39B4gdersandisk sansa e200
10:12:56merbananreal nice, is there any more public inforamtion about that ?
10:13:30B4gderabout their offer or the player you mean?
10:13:38merbanantheir offer
10:13:39crwlwhat's that microSD anyway, something superduper-expensive and limited-capacity compared to standard SD?
10:13:43markunB4gder: 2GB is the smallest they have, right?
10:13:59B4gdercrwl: micro-SD is a "standard" memory card
10:14:05B4gdersuper small
10:14:10B4gder15x11 mm
10:14:42B4gdermerbanan: I haven't made much more public yet, as I prefer to see what they actuall send me until I do that
10:14:48crwlB4gder, ah, ok. doesn't seem to be even too expensive
10:15:22B4gdera micro-SD is about 1/4 of the size of a regular SD
10:15:36merbananB4gder: ok
10:15:59dwihnoB4gder: oh, do tell!
10:16:01markunI wonder if you will receive the US version (with FM tuner)
10:16:25dwihnoor give a mailing list reference
10:16:30B4gderdwihno: we're in contact with SanDisk USA and they have expressed a desire to see Rockbox ported to their Sansa e200 players
10:17:01dwihnoB4gder: aha! interesting!
10:17:11B4gderits only on the committers list so far (== not publicly disclosed)
10:18:19dwihnohave they told you why there's interest in rockbox?
10:18:27dwihnoI mean, they already got their own fw for the sansa...
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10:18:56B4gder"We specifically like the expanded format supports and *gapless playback**/**crossfading* features."
10:20:20dwihnoOne of my favorite rockbox things has to be the buffer system
10:20:31dwihnoalso wps and fonts is really nice
10:21:17preglowi wonder if they've got a failproof system like apple and iaudio
10:21:38peturI think they have
10:21:48preglowthen hooray
10:21:57markunI read that Rasterman (of Enlightenment) is working with Neuros to create a super slick UI for their new device
10:22:24merbananjust a question about mp3 playback
10:22:42dwihnopreglow: "failproof"?
10:22:47B4gdermarkun: yeah, shows their focus...
10:22:48merbanandid anyone evaluate other fixedpoint decoders then libmad ?
10:22:53preglowmerbanan: i did
10:22:58merbananand the real one
10:23:12preglowhttp://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/cf-mpegdec_rockbox.tar.gz
10:23:16preglowi adapted that to rockbox
10:23:23preglowbut i was poorer quality and not too fast anyway
10:23:30markunB4gder: Well, not much else they can work on as they are using closed source codecs.
10:23:37B4gdertrue
10:23:48B4gderand btw
10:23:59B4gderwe're still listed to receive dev boards from them
10:24:13preglowclosed source codecs????
10:24:16B4gderyeah
10:24:19preglowthat marks my total disinterest, then
10:24:25B4gderbut
10:24:32B4gderI'm only interested in that to run rockbox on it
10:25:07preglowwill the main core still be good enough to decode data without the dsp?
10:25:11B4gderyes
10:25:21B4gderits way fast
10:25:22preglowhrhrm, ok
10:25:30merbananpreglow: did you test the ffmpeg one also ?
10:25:37B4gderthey don't decode audio with dsp at all, afaik
10:25:38preglowmerbanan: no, is it fixed point
10:25:39preglow?
10:25:44merbananyes
10:25:44preglowmerbanan: also, does it support layer1/2 ?
10:25:50merbananyes
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10:25:59preglowmerbanan: then that sounds very interesting...
10:26:15preglowB4gder: do they use it at all, then?
10:26:21B4gdervideo!
10:26:30B4gderTV-out full framrate video
10:26:35preglowi thought some models wouldn't have video
10:26:45B4gderyes, but they still use the same arch
10:27:04preglowmerbanan: i can't access their cvs now...
10:27:18merbananthat's coz it retired
10:27:21preglowgod, how much audio fun i could squeeze out with a dsp chip
10:27:26merbananget the svn
10:27:41B4gderhowever, the dac is controlled by the DSP
10:27:52B4gderso there needs to be _some_ dsp in the audio-only one too
10:27:57B4gderI mean some dsp magic
10:28:00preglowmerbanan: right, i can't browase it anymore?
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10:28:25preglowi'd be more than happy to dive into dsp code if it's at all possible, which i guess it isn't
10:28:31preglow5 band eq is peanuts for one of those things
10:28:44linuxstbmerbanan: Do you know the status of the ffmpeg AAC decoder? Is a fixed-point version planned?
10:29:04B4gderpreglow: no docs for the chip but there's an assembler available... :-/ Neuros are gonna provide the dsp code as a binary blob to be loaded by the cpu side
10:29:16preglowlucky us
10:29:22preglowbloody retard ti
10:29:31preglowdo they think their competitors don't know how their chips work?
10:30:18merbananlinuxstb: the aac decoder is part of ffmpeg SoC, I'll try to convice the mentor to add that requirement
10:30:43linuxstbmerbanan: Cool. We should definitely try to get Rockbox in the SoC next year.
10:30:57merbananpreglow: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ffmpeg/trunk/
10:30:57preglownice idea
10:31:07preglowand i think we'd be allowed in pretty easily
10:31:21linuxstbAnd then I need to persuade my employer to let me go back to University...
10:31:26preglowmerbanan: doesn't work here
10:31:34B4gderyeah, Rockbox on SoC would be great
10:31:58B4gderI envy the project I'm in that get a whole slew of ambitious guys jumping into new projects
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10:32:37merbananpreglow: works for me, try to checkout the svn
10:32:57preglowbut i think rockbox on soc would be very probably to happen if we aplied
10:32:58preglowapplied
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10:33:43merbananpreglow: sure look at some the current organizations
10:34:11B4gderbut I don't know how to apply
10:34:16merbananrockbox would be more then qualified
10:34:27merbananB4gder: try next year
10:35:26B4gderwell, I did casually check for how to apply already this year
10:35:51B4gderbut failed
10:37:10markunThe codec work for ffmpeg could be nice for us too
10:37:34preglowwe would need volunteers for mentoring
10:37:48markunmerbanan: ah, you just posted that..
10:38:50merbananB4gder: http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html#timeline
10:40:35preglowwhat, mentoring orgs get paid too???
10:40:45merbananpreglow: yes
10:40:54preglowcool
10:41:02merbanan500$ minus taxes
10:41:13preglowi would have thought bunches of new code would be payment enough :)
10:45:50merbananwell you can say no to the money if you want
10:46:14linuxstbNo, beer money is good....
10:46:56peturI would have expected that answer to come from preglow :p
10:53:57markunpreglow: eq in 50 steps per octave from 20Hz to 20kHz is about 500 steps, will that be good enough?
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11:02:54preglowpreglow was away
11:03:33preglowmarkun: depends what you want to do
11:03:50preglowfor ordinary eq use, probably, to block out an annoying overtone, probably not
11:09:00preglowanyway, i'm not going to code that
11:09:16preglow50 steps per octave is probably more than enough
11:09:45preglowsomething around 40 steps might be better
11:09:55preglowit would also mostly avoid fractional values
11:11:04bobTHCbtw, any advancement on the partymode talk ?
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11:17:12preglowmarkun: sounds like some new settings code would be required for something like that
11:17:16preglowmarkun: but be my guest :)
11:17:26preglowi'd consider that change for 3.0 for sure
11:17:42preglowlinear freq range with no acceleration is most certainly a bug/annoyance/quirk
11:20:42preglowand the lower frequency range is too small, that's for sure
11:20:48preglownever thought about it since i never use it ;)
11:23:17bobTHCto ppl interrested by "party mode" ucan look at my first ideas about that here -> http://honeypot.atspace.com/partymode.TXT
11:24:38bobTHCit's not a real request for the moment, it's more an idea to keep in mind for the future versions of rockbox ( V4, V5 ;) )
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11:27:22merbananpreglow: there seem to be one float array still in the code, but otherwise fixedpoint
11:28:26merbananbut only in the init
11:30:11markunpreglow: I also don't use the EQ :)
11:31:14Paul_The_NerdI wonder what would be the qualifier for whenever the 4.0 release is? What's the next big step? Official multi-codec video support?
11:31:57zigford4.0 will make a coffe
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11:33:56merbananPaul_The_Nerd: whats needed for video is a well optimized small screen codec
11:34:40merbananmulti format sound to much, most people recode their videos anyway
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11:36:45linuxstbmerbanan: Not sure if you noticed my post to ffmpeg-devel list a few months ago asking for suggestions for the most suitable video codec for Rockbox to support - Michael Niedermayer suggested MPEG-1.
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11:43:36preglowi'd also suggest that
11:43:36merbananlinuxstb: yes, I saw that, mpeg-1 sounds like a good candidate
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11:47:03weyeri have a question. will rockbox installation work on a native gentoo64 box? (i don't have 32bit chroot available)
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11:47:11weyerit's for the ipod mini
11:47:31preglowshould
11:47:42preglowi use an athlon64 as my main development platform
11:47:46weyerthe gcc command won't build a 64bit binary?
11:47:49preglowubuntu, though
11:47:50preglowsure
11:47:54preglow64 bit gcc and all
11:47:58weyersuper
11:48:45linuxstbIf you just want to install Rockbox, you don't need to compile it yourself though - there are binaries on the website which are automatically built after every CVS change.
11:48:45weyeri'll give it a shot then
11:48:53weyerah
11:49:12weyerthe manual starts with the source, that's why i wondered
11:49:29linuxstbThe only issue is the "ipod_fw" installation tool.
11:49:39linuxstb(you'll need to get the source and compile that yourself)
11:49:49linuxstbIt's just a single C file though.
11:50:11weyerah, i thought that was roxbox software itself
11:50:29linuxstbWhich instructions are you following?
11:50:35weyerhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
11:51:45linuxstbThat's fine. But yes, it's just the ipod_fw tool you need to compile yourself. The rest of that page refers to pre-built binaries which you install on your ipod.
11:51:52weyerindeed
11:52:05weyerthnx for the info
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11:59:19weyerhmm, how do i find out if i have a first or second generation ipod mini? :-)
11:59:35linuxstbDoes it have the disk size written on the back?
11:59:59weyernot that i can find
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12:00:06linuxstbThen it's a first gen.
12:00:11weyerk
12:00:42linuxstbBut no harm should come if you install the wrong version - it just won't work.
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12:01:26weyerthen i'll go for 2de generation, 'cos the apple site says only 2d generation had firewire support
12:01:38weyerand i had a firewire cable when i bought it ...
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12:02:50amiconnpetur: Now I'm here...
12:03:18linuxstbweyer: I've never heard that. From the ipodlinux wiki (describing the 2nd gen mini): "Differences with 1st Generation include: hard disk size inscribed on the back, click wheel font matches the color of the iPod Mini, better battery life (18hrs)"
12:03:28linuxstbhttp://ipodlinux.org/Generations
12:03:41preglowweyer: does the clickwheel icons have the same colour as the unit?
12:03:58weyeryes
12:04:05weyerhttp://www.ipod.fr/historique-modele-ipod.php
12:04:06preglowthen it sounds like a 2nd gen
12:04:06peturamiconn: any objections that interrupts get stopped while changing recording gain. I think something sometimes gets inbetween setting analog and digital gain, causing a short volume glitch
12:04:17weyerfor nouveautes at the ipod mini 2d
12:04:32preglowpetur: sounds unlikely it'll happen right there...
12:07:08peturI've seen it twice during my tests. there were several samples between the change of both gian settings
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12:08:11preglowwell, try it and see
12:08:30preglowperhaps we should have some critical section macros
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12:19:31mocker_Rockbox is freaking awesome.
12:19:35mocker_:)
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12:22:18weyerit's a first gen :-) the second generation install didn't work
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12:29:09linuxstbweyer: What happened when you tried to start Rockbox?
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12:38:49weyerlinuxstb: it didn't pass the apple logo
12:41:12preglowi've actually had the apple logo FREEZE on my nano
12:41:16preglowkudos to apple for that
12:41:33Mikachuwithout the rb bootloader?
12:42:49weyerwith the rb bootloader (at the end of the install instructions)
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12:53:16amiconnpetur: Did you try it?
12:53:39amiconnPerhaps the volume glitch on gain change is a different thing. It might even be unavoidable
12:53:59XinuxI ate my computer.
12:54:06zigfordYum
12:56:31Xinuxyou guys should put frozen bubble on rb
12:57:15linuxstbXinux: It already is.
12:57:21Xinuxguess i missed
12:57:39linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBubbles
12:59:13Xinuxthank ya.
12:59:47Mikachuit isn't frozen bubbles, it just uses the graphics
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13:00:33Xinuxthats dumb o.o
13:00:51Mikachuit's the same game, but it isn't a port
13:01:01Xinuxoh.
13:02:47markunXinux: do you know how to program?
13:02:55Xinuxparty.
13:02:57Xinuxpartly.
13:03:18markunthen maybe you can try to port some games
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13:14:22peturamiconn: no time now, tonight maybe
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13:15:39whatboutbobpetur: want latest testing results for norecboost patch?
13:15:48peturshoot
13:16:24whatboutbobanalog: there's always a tiny, inaudible glitch around the 5 second mark.
13:16:51whatboutbobat least one analog recording also had an audible glitch at 3mins (during buffer write)
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13:17:44whatboutbobthere's glitches or interference or whatever during volume change..
13:17:57peturvolume or gain?
13:18:09whatboutbobvolume
13:18:26*petur didn't test that :/
13:18:53whatboutbobdigital: always glitches at the start and end of first mini buffer write around 4 to 6 seconds.
13:19:22whatboutbobthere are also random glitches throughout recordings. i couldn't spot a pattern.
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13:19:45peturI wonder what's happening at the beginning of the recording. Is that with/without prerecording, is the hdd spinning or off when you hit rec?
13:19:54whatboutbob...including during disk writes and volume changes...
13:20:01whatboutbobno pre-recording.
13:20:21whatboutbobi've not noticed the hdd spinning...
13:20:33amiconnwhatboutbob: Do you have backlight fading enabled?
13:20:48whatboutbobchecking...(but shouldn't)
13:21:00zigfordHey hey. Is there a way to download the entire rockbox-user mailing list?
13:21:17zigfordI need something to read on the loo
13:21:41whatboutbobbacklight is set to 4 seconds.....
13:21:57whatboutbobfade in set to 500ms
13:22:06whatboutbobfade out: 2seconds...
13:22:11amiconnFade out is what I'm interested in here
13:22:14whatboutbobthat's getting awful close to the timing...
13:22:21amiconnOk, so it's what I observed
13:22:38amiconnA cpu frequency change causes glitches in spdif recording
13:22:48amiconn(glitches == lost samples)
13:23:04amiconnStrangely enough, it _only_ affects spdif, not analog
13:23:19amiconnBacklight fading boosts the cpu
13:23:48whatboutbobamiconn: analog i always get an inaudible glitch at ~5 seconds.
13:23:55amiconnThis isn't because it needs that much power, but because it needs stable timing.
13:24:26peturh340 has no fading :(
13:24:30amiconnwhatboutbob: Disable backlight fade in & fade out, and test again. I'm sure you won't get the glitches at start
13:25:05whatboutbobamiconn: was just in the process of doing so. :)
13:25:06amiconnpetur: Ye, but it also doesn't have spdif
13:25:55amiconnwhatboutbob: The inaudible glitch (just amplitude change, no lost samples) with analog is probably caused by some load change.
13:26:16*petur wonders if he should get an h1x0 to play with
13:26:18amiconnEither it's the frequency change as well, or the harddisk spinup/spindown
13:26:27amiconnI tend to think it's the latter
13:26:51peturamiconn: I see the amplitude change every time the disk spins up
13:26:54amiconn..so it's unavoidable, but since it's also inaudible, I think we can live with it
13:27:05amiconnpetur: Even with cvs?
13:27:12peturyes
13:27:31amiconnOkay, so it's indeed the disk, and hence unavoidable
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13:35:52whatboutbobfair enough.
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13:47:06whatboutbobright...i turned off fade in and fade out...and sure enough, i get no early glitches for spdif recording.
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13:47:32whatboutbobstill getting glitches for disk writes @ around 2:48 and 2:59.
13:48:07whatboutbobthe disk-write glitches far more noticeable with spdif than analog.
13:49:17whatboutbob...not 100% sure if the optical disk-write glitches are in cvs. would you like me to test petur?
13:49:33peturdisabling boost for diskwriting brings write time from 16 -> 26 seconds
13:49:56peturif you have the time, sure ;)
13:50:29whatboutbobmeh...i'm just watching a footy match and kicking back...
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13:54:57peturPaul does the Linus trick :)
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14:01:22whatboutbobpetur: spdif disk-write glitches don't exist in a cvs build from May 12 (just what happened to be on my other iriver).
14:01:54Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: You around?
14:02:25peturwhatboutbob: ok, thanks for verifying
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14:02:47linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Half-around
14:02:59whatboutbobpetur: lemme know if you'd like me to test on bleeding edge. i imagine it'd be the same tho.
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14:03:13Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Just curious, is this in the general direction you were thinking? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewForumProposal
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14:04:04whatboutbobpetur: i'm off for a bit. lemme know if you'd like me to test anything else.
14:04:27peturnot for the next 5 hours...
14:04:37whatboutbobpaid work?
14:04:41peturyeps
14:04:49whatboutbobenjoy
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14:04:54petur:p
14:05:08*whatboutbob gets a beer out of the fridge and puts his feet up...
14:05:11whatboutbob;p
14:05:27linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Sort-of. It's a tricky thing to decide on. I've been thinking that some kind of device-specific forums can't be avoided - mainly for installation and hardware type questions. But maybe those could simply be split by manufacturer, rather than specific players.
14:06:25linuxstbI also don't like the idea of having too many different forums - maybe your list is too many. But it's a difficult balance - I'll think about it and comment on that wiki page.
14:06:26*petur still wants manufacturer named target selection in the tracker too
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14:10:58Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: That's what the page is for. I threw it together over breakfast. I think it can be trimmed down to one forum per installation process (rather than manufacturer, because install on an H10 may be drastically different than the current set of iRiver players, and so on.)
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14:14:21weyerusing rockbox, do you still have to add files trough itunes/gtkpod?
14:14:26Paul_The_NerdNope
14:14:39weyeri copied regular mp3 files, but they don't play
14:14:44Paul_The_NerdRockbox is filetree based, though it can index files by tags itself if you have already hidden/obfuscated music
14:14:49Paul_The_NerdWhat do they do?
14:15:50weyerthey show the filename, but no sound, no id-tag recognition
14:16:07linuxstbWhat tags do they have?
14:16:24Paul_The_NerdSo when you click on them, they don't play and the progress bar does or doesn't move?
14:16:34weyernope
14:17:08weyerand all the fields are empty
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14:17:16weyerexept the scrolling filename
14:17:40moda|ASOToh far out, i cant find anywhere to get a cheap 1.8inch hdd anyway.... argh
14:18:19linuxstbweyer: What does the "file" command say about your files? i.e. type "file filename.mp3"
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14:18:58weyerNeil Young - Harvest - 01 - Out On The Weekend.mp3: MP3 file with ID3 version 2.3.0 tag
14:19:19linuxstbIs there album art in the tag?
14:19:39weyeri have no idea
14:19:59moda|ASOT:(
14:20:03weyermost mp3's i ripped of my own cd's, and i never even knew that was possible, so i guess not
14:20:41weyermost tags are created with "easytag" program
14:22:07Mikachuregardless of the tags, shouldn't the file still play?
14:22:17linuxstbMaybe an obvious question, but what buttons are you pressing to play the file?
14:22:38Mikachuweyer: also note that old versions of easytag created invalid id3 v2.3 tags, are you using .12?
14:23:12B4gderI've tagged very many files with easytag just fine
14:23:24weyerlinuxstb: in the filebrowser, the select button (ipodmini, central button)
14:23:37linuxstbAnd then what does your ipod do (in detail) ?
14:23:38Mikachuit writes UTF-8 in id3v2.3 and marks the field as latin1
14:23:40weyermikachu /easytag-1.1
14:24:14Mikachuthis only matters for tags with nonlatin1-characters though
14:25:12weyeri go to the "muziek" dir on my ipod, "select", choose an album, "select", choose a song, "select", then for a moment "loading" appears, and then i end up in wps
14:25:40linuxstbAnd the time is stuck at 0:00?
14:25:41weyerwith the songname scrolling, the volume en playpause buttons work (changes in status bar), but there is no sound, the progress bar doesn't move
14:25:53moda|ASOThow much would a dead H340 with all the accessories be worth?
14:27:00weyerand under de scrolling filename is (root) for the two fields in the default wps
14:27:07weyer(i guess, artist and album)
14:27:10linuxstbweyer: So Rockbox doesn't crash? i.e. you can go into the menu, or back to the filebrowser?
14:27:24weyeridd
14:27:48weyerand the files i transferred before with gtkpod do work
14:28:22linuxstbSounds very odd. Can you upload one of those files somewhere?
14:28:29weyerok
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14:29:11LinusNmoda|ASOT: given up, eh?
14:29:31moda|ASOToh, not really
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14:30:23moda|ASOTill see if anyone is selling a dead ipod or something in the weekend classifieds tomorrow.... if not, theres a guy in another city who i can send it do whos opened up his and replaced his hdd, so i can get him to swap in the old one and test it out for me....
14:30:25moda|ASOTi dunno
14:30:39moda|ASOTi just dont have the energy to really stress about it anymore
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14:32:12weyerhmm, solved
14:32:17weyerrebooting did the trick
14:32:35weyeri had that with the gtkpod files also, after first installing rockbox...
14:32:47weyerit seems rockbox must read files, save, reboot and then it works
14:34:05moda|ASOThrm.... what should i get as a replacement DAP? something that is 40gb+... plays video..... im looking at the ipod video.... but... eh
14:34:40B4gderif you want (proper) video, I don't think there's much competition
14:35:01Paul_The_NerdNot counting the various devices designed as actual media players rather than just DAPs.
14:35:15moda|ASOTi want 30fps video.... i dont really want a pmp
14:35:17B4gderoh, right
14:35:40Paul_The_NerdWell, you're pretty much restricted to the 5G then
14:35:49Paul_The_NerdI don't think there's anything else with a decent framerate that isn't a PMP
14:35:57moda|ASOTsigh
14:36:14moda|ASOTwhat does the creative vision m do?
14:36:17B4gderand certainly not if you want rockbox
14:36:26B4gderthat probably does video fine
14:36:29Paul_The_NerdThe newest Vision M actually has a really nice looking screen and video.
14:36:32*amiconn wonders what a non-pmp with decent video would be
14:36:36Paul_The_NerdBut I don't know what sort of framerate or anything.
14:36:39amiconnI can't imagine one
14:36:45B4gderamiconn: ipod video
14:37:07amiconnWell, even most pmps I've seen don't have *decent* video
14:37:07Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I think by the time it has decent video, it's reclassified itself as PMP anyway, independent of what the manufacturer calls it
14:38:02amiconn...because really decent video and mobile devices are things that contradict each other
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14:40:03moda|ASOTso.... 5G or vision m.... HRM
14:41:39markunmoda|ASOT: you could use the HD of your new DAP to get your H3xx back for RMA and then sell either of them
14:47:52moda|ASOTmeh
14:47:55moda|ASOTnah
14:48:03moda|ASOTi dont want to take apart a brand new one ;\
14:48:32daurn|laptopget 1 2nd hand then
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14:59:51*amiconn just found that someone posted a french voice file using a scansoft voice to the wiki
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15:00:16XavierGrDoes it have a free license?
15:00:46amiconnAfaik, scansoft has equally bad (if not worse) license conditions as at&t
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15:05:32XavierGrreminds me that I have to sent an email to loquendo
15:05:48XavierGrthough I am not sure if I am capable of doing it the right way...
15:14:00weyeris there a scrolling setting that makes the names scroll ones, and then stop scrolling? the continuous scrolling makes me nervous :-)
15:15:29weyer(and i should think it is a waste of battery / cpu )
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15:25:12PaulJamweyer: afaik you can stop the scrolling of the titles by removing the %s tags from the .wps file, but then you have no scrolling at all.
15:26:51mocker_Is there a video player app for the 5th gen ipods?
15:27:43weyerPaulJam: that's true, but lot's of songs are more than 23 characters long
15:27:51linuxstbmocker_: Yes, it's called "Apple's firmware".
15:28:04mocker_linuxstb: Heh.
15:29:08Paul_The_Nerdweyer: Use a smaller font. ;)
15:29:17*preglow shoots intel
15:29:49peturweyer: if the scrolling options in the settings menu don't give you what you want, feel free to add a feature request to the tracker (or better, a patch)
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15:40:52XavierGrIt's true that I would like to see another option for scrolling. When the scrolling string ends,currently, it wraps so closely with the end that I can't recognize the start of the string.
15:42:28amiconn?
15:43:02amiconnThere are 3 spaces in between...
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15:45:33StarScreamhey guys, does rockbox support usb OTG on the h300's ?
15:45:40B4gderno
15:46:48StarScreamdo you know if its something that is planned for inclusion or is it a feature that the devs aren't really interested in?
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15:47:21B4gderwe don't plan things for inclusion
15:47:27B4gderwe include everything good people do
15:47:43B4gderso if/when someone writes usbotg support, Rockbox will feature it
15:49:46StarScreamok, thanks B4gder. I was just curious about it as Mark Shuttleworth mentioned rockbox on tllts so i thought i'd have a look at it and was surprised when i saw the H300 irivers.
15:49:53StarScreamit looks really good.
15:49:58*petur points to the fact he was working on it :)
15:50:08ashridahtllts?
15:50:21StarScreamwww.tllts.org (linux link tech show)
15:50:33Xinuxbutter.
15:51:06StarScreampetur: you were working on usbotg for the h300's ?
15:51:06XavierGrShuttleworth mentioned rockbox?
15:51:17StarScreamyeh show 143
15:51:17Xinuxokay, this is annoying, my torrent dl just stalled at 99.72%
15:51:19StarScream142
15:51:20StarScreamsorry
15:52:06XavierGrinteresting?
15:52:08weyerpetur: my programming skill's are a bit low to make my own patch :-) i'll add a feature request
15:52:13XavierGrwhat did he say?
15:52:18peturStarScream: no success so far.... don't get any hope for now.
15:54:22StarScreampetur: heh ok :) unfortunately i use usbotg alot so can't test out rockbox yet but keep up the good work . it really does look fantastic
15:55:15B4gderStarScream: you can dual-boot
15:55:18peturStarScream: rockbox can dualboot. use the iriver firmware for usbotg, rockbox for the rest
15:55:50StarScreamoh really ? awesome.
15:56:16B4gderin fact, you'd have to fight it hard to not offer dual-boot ;-)
15:57:29StarScreamso can i set a default ? and then manually set it back when i use it for usb otg ?
15:57:37StarScreamand all my music appears in both ?
15:59:23linuxstbYes, your music appears in both. Rockbox will boot by default. Hold a button (I think it's record on the h300) whilst turing on your h300 to start the original firmware.
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16:02:03peturit's REC. be sure to keep ON pressed too until iriver fw boots (it checks the button briefly, if you release too soon it powers down)
16:02:33petur*to soon
16:02:58StarScreamabsolutely awesome
16:03:07StarScreamits my project for tomorrow now :)
16:03:19XavierGrthis feels strange, it is supposed that yesterday we would have released 3.1 :p
16:03:40petur?
16:03:56XavierGrWasn't fireworks planed for June?
16:04:07XavierGror am I talking BS?
16:04:09peturseptember?
16:04:18XavierGroops
16:04:27XavierGrindeed, I am talking BS.
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16:09:54webguest25Hello
16:10:49webguest25i have a problem with my ihp-140. it tells we when i start it "*panic* ata: -32
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16:11:01webguest25may anyone offer some help?
16:12:08XavierGrcan your PC recognize your iHP-140
16:12:10XavierGr?
16:12:17webguest25yes
16:12:36webguest25when i plug it in i can use the data on the ihp
16:14:41webguest25sometimes after some reboots it also says "bootloader usb mode"(when not plugged in to the computer) and that's it.
16:16:11webguest25the red light for hdd use doesn't glow anymore
16:17:05XavierGrstrange
16:17:13XavierGrwhat about original firmware?
16:19:58webguest25already tried it. there the "connected" screen appears too, even when not connected
16:21:00XavierGrin normal firmware?
16:21:06webguest25the original firmware. says "check hdd connection" then "check hdd" and the turns ob the "connected" screen,
16:21:18webguest25when not plugged in
16:21:22XavierGrdodgy HDD
16:21:42webguest25:(
16:21:53XavierGrCan you check for errors using a software utility?
16:22:08webguest25yep
16:22:08XavierGrif this doens't work then you can open the player and resit the HDD.
16:22:12webguest25i'll try that
16:22:28webguest25how do i reset itß
16:22:37webguest25if bnecessary
16:22:47XavierGrbut it is strange that it will say connected while it isn't maybe there is a bad solder connection on the USB chip.
16:23:11XavierGrresit = take out the HD and plug it again.
16:23:20webguest25okay
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16:23:41webguest25i#ll try the errorcheck, then, if necessary the resit
16:24:07XavierGrWhen I was trying to fix my USBOTG problem on my H300, accidentally I short circuited 2 joints which made my H300 to report "Connected" even if it wasn't
16:24:30webguest25how do i find out if there is something wrong with the "solder connection on the USB chip."?
16:24:49XavierGrCan't help you on this
16:24:54XavierGrI came to it by luck...
16:24:54webguest25okay
16:25:01webguest25thanks
16:25:13XavierGrnp, hope you get your player fixed.
16:25:23webguest25me too :)
16:25:37XavierGrIt is very strange though, that you say your PC can fully recognise the Disk.
16:26:13webguest25indeed
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16:26:59peturalmost makes you think it's the usb-ata bridge chip
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16:35:21peturmoooooo
16:35:30B4gderkuhe?
16:35:37petur= cows
16:35:41B4gderah
16:36:02amiconnTranslated: I want cows!
16:36:08bobTHCmeeeeeeeeh
16:36:10bobTHC:)
16:37:24XavierGrStarScream: At which minute of the podcast you said is there a reference to rockbox?
16:39:32amiconnWiki spam alert!
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17:44:37mocker_I have to say, I am really impressed w/ rockbox.
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18:21:34sharpewoo. i can now work on my operating system i will never get farther on that printing some text!
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18:23:04daurn|laptopenglish?
18:23:14sharpeme?
18:23:40daurn|laptopyeah
18:23:43sharpetime to write an operating system!
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18:28:51sharpei'm just bored.
18:30:14BHSPitMonkeyplease
18:30:28BHSPitMonkeyyou couldn't operate a hair dryer, sharpe, much less a whole -system-
18:31:00sharpe:(
18:31:05BHSPitMonkey:D
18:31:18sharpeheh...
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18:42:34sharpewell, i can print text now.
18:43:07woodensoulHello folks. This is my first time here... trying the web client.
18:43:37sharpewelcome, how may we help you?
18:43:58woodensoulWell, I've got a couple things...
18:44:24woodensoulI use rockbox for my iRiver H120, H140 and H320.
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18:45:26woodensoulI was looking for some feedback on a bug I'm experiencing. I often get crashes requiring a hard reset when changing the fileview from "All" to "ID3 database".
18:46:27woodensoulThe crash occurs when I pres the joystick in to navigate the ID3 database.
18:47:19sharpewell, unforunately, i know nothing of the iRiver ports, sorry I can't help.
18:48:26woodensoulWhich port commands your concentration?
18:48:39sharpeiPod Video
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18:50:09woodensoulDo you have the 60GB version?
18:50:21sharpenope, just the thirty version.
18:50:49woodensoulDo you know if the 60GB version is any thicker than the 30GB version?
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18:51:34sharpei believe it isn't
18:53:19woodensoulHow is the 5G port in general? Are most of the features from the other ports available and how is battery life?
18:54:20sharpebattery life is still worse than the apple firmware, i usually get around 4-5 hours with rockbox on mine. but, other than that most features are implemented.
18:55:25woodensoulHow much time do you get with the stock firmware?
18:55:40sharpeprobably, around nine hours, it's been a long time since i've used it.
18:56:06woodensoulDo you use a build with album art enabled?
18:56:09sharpenope.
18:56:31woodensoulDoesn't interest you? It looks pretty nice on the H320.
18:56:48sharpeyeh, doesn't really interest me.
18:57:01amiconnwoodensoul: Re your crashes - how old is the build you are running?
18:57:25woodensoulamiconn: From a couple days ago.
18:57:37amiconnAlso, please try with a cvs build
18:58:07woodensoulI didn't see any changes in the CVS that pertained to the bug.
18:58:20woodensoulIt was a bleeding edge build from a couple days ago.
18:58:22amiconnI refer to the album art patch
18:58:29amiconnAh ok
18:58:33amiconnhmm
18:58:56sharpeyay! printing functions work...
18:58:59woodensoulI wouldn't report a bug from the experimental build I'm running on my H320.
18:59:17woodensoulThe bug happens with a bleeding edge build for the H100 series.
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19:01:10woodensoulI guess I should make a bug report, but I thought I'd come here first to see if anyone else noticed the bug.
19:02:03linuxstbwoodensoul: Yes, the 60GB is significantly thicker than the 30GB model. But still thinner than the h1x0/h3x0 players.
19:02:18linuxstb(talking about the ipod 5g)
19:02:18sharpedamn, wrong again.
19:02:34*amiconn would have expected that it is thicker
19:02:57amiconn..for the same reason why the H140 is thicker than the H120 etc
19:03:32woodensoullinuxstb: Thanks for the info. I seen the 30GB version and it's so thin. I would be very tempted if the 60GB version was as thin, but the double platter drive prevents it, I'm guessing.
19:03:56amiconnThe dual platter drive should add 3 mm of thickness
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19:04:33linuxstbI think the battery is bigger as well (capacity-wise, and I'm guessing physically)
19:05:08sharpewell, i've an operating system that can print strings.
19:05:12sharpego me.
19:05:29woodensoulI see. Do you have any experience with the bug I described? It's the only thing keeping the current CVS builds from being stable for me.
19:05:35*amiconn always wondered why apple puts those low capacity batteries into the newer ipods
19:06:09amiconnBattery runtime seems to be much worse than with other players, even with stock firmware
19:06:19linuxstbAccording to Apple's website, 30GB is 10.9mm thick, and 60GB is 14mm
19:07:29linuxstbWeights are 136g and 156g
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19:07:47linuxstbwoodensoul: I'm sure I've read a similar bug report. Possibly on the bug tracker.
19:08:30woodensoulMaybe I'll hold of making a new one then and read the current bug report.
19:09:51woodensoulAny clue what I should search by to find it?
19:13:19woodensoulAlso another issue I'd be interested to get feedback on: would anyone be interested in allowing the current playlist to be viewed in a way that albums (or artists, or genres assuming this is added to the ID3 database view method) are shown and able to be moved around as opposed to the current method of only allowing a track list?
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19:14:25woodensoulYou could "expand" the album (artist or genre) to see the tracks within, or collapse... you get the picture?
19:16:01amiconn(1) What would be the purpose? (2) Probably very hard to implement, if not impossible
19:17:36woodensoulWell my purpose is that I listen to entire albums almost exclusively and it would be very useful for me to be able to add albums to the playlist and move them around as an album.
19:18:04amiconnI know exactly one (software) player that supports hierarchical playlists. I never understood why, other than making operation more complicated
19:18:34woodensoulI assume that the ability to add albums via the ID3 database is in the works?
19:18:54amiconnSupporting hierarchical playlists also means dropping the de facto standard 'm3u' and invent an own playlist format
19:19:04woodensoulThe Zen Xtra has the functionality I'm describing and I find it very useful since I listen to albums the way I do.
19:19:19amiconnI also listen mainly to album
19:20:09woodensoulWell it really wouldn't have to be hierarchial. I don't really need the ability to expand, but it would be nice to be able to add albums to the playlist and move them around as one group.
19:20:27amiconnMost of the time I play an album, and decide afterwards what album to listen to next. Sometimes I add several albums to a playlist. I never felt the necissity to move them around after adding though
19:21:19woodensoulWhy would it be necessary to change the standard '.m3u'? All of this could be just what is displayed to the user and the .m3u would stay the same.
19:21:29amiconnAnother problem (besides the playlist format) is how rockbox stores playlists in memory
19:21:32Mikachuhow would rockbox keep track of the albums then?
19:22:09woodensoulRockbox could keep the playlist stored the same way, just the way it is displayed would be different, is that possible?
19:22:37amiconnPlaylists are stored as indices into directories. Very fast, very efficient. But rockbox has no way to know which track belongs to a certain album until the track is actually buffered for playback
19:22:47woodensoulI really need to read through that developers documentation and give the source a look. I used C for my senior design project, so I'm sure I could add to the effort.
19:23:30woodensoulIf adding an album through the ID3 database is implemented, this could be done, yes?
19:23:51amiconnNo, not with a total redesign of the playlist system
19:24:29woodensoulWould it be possible to add an album via the ID3 database without a complete redesign of the playlist system?
19:24:35amiconn(which would almost certainly use a multiple of the resources of the current system and be an order of magnitude slower)
19:24:44amiconnyes
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19:25:24amiconnThe problem with m3u is that it just stores paths and filenames, not tags or other metadata
19:26:03amiconnm3u files can contain comments, but since they're comments, m3u manipulating software is free to ditch them
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19:26:42woodensoulWell it seems possible to keep that data somewhere and since you're saying it wouldn't require a major redesign to add ID3 database album playlist functionality, the info would be there in the database already.
19:27:16amiconnYes, but not in th eplaylist you generate from it
19:28:00amiconnThat means, you will be able to add an album, or an artist folder etc to your playlist, but you won't be able to move the added tracks as a 'group' later
19:28:29woodensoulWell that, at least, is an improvement :-)
19:28:51woodensoulMoving them around as a group would be nice though.
19:29:22Mikachucan't you already do that?
19:29:34woodensoulNot that I know of.
19:29:37Mikachui mean adding albums and/or artists
19:29:45Mikachui do it all the time in file mode anyway
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19:30:07woodensoulYou can do it in file mode for sure, but not in ID3 unless it's been recently added.
19:33:32woodensoulAnd that is what leads me to the bug I'm experiencing.... I browse using ID3 mode most of the time, but when I want to add and album to the playlist I have to switch to file mode to add, and then back to ID3 to browse and then I get the freeze.
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19:53:48amiconnwoodensoul: How do you switch back & forth - via the menu (General Settings->File View->Show Files) or via the quickscreen?
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19:55:32amiconnAnd again re the version - there were 2 tagcache related bug fixes committed on May 30 and May 31
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19:59:15woodensoulamiconn: I've had the freeze happen mostly with the quickscreen, but the General Settings->File View->Show Files has also caused the crash.
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20:00:12woodensoulI don't have my player with me right now, so I can't tell you the exact CVS version. All I can say is that it was from about 2 days ago. I'll update to the latest and see if it has been fixed.
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20:06:43woodensoulI had to reconnect, still learning the web interface. Did I miss a comment?
20:06:51sharpenope.
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20:07:22*woodensoul just noticed the log on the site updated live
20:07:28sharpeaye :)
20:07:29woodensoul:-)
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20:11:52kkurbjunWhat's the status on the freeze? I have a few patches I'd like to commit, but I'm still waiting on 3.0. Also, is there a list of critical bugs I can look into fixing?
20:12:33kkurbjunthat is if the freeze is continuing
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20:16:04*woodensoul doesn't know, but is curious about what the patches do
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20:16:41kkurbjunmostly patches for doom and rockboy
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20:17:17benanneEvening everyone
20:18:06benanneI'm thinking of installing rockbox onto my 4GB iPod nano... the only thing that's holding me back is that I heard battery life is significantly reduced... I mean, it isn't exactly impressive as it is, so I'm not sure I want it reduced even further. Is it really that bad?
20:18:31bluebrotherRedBreva: you're in?
20:18:37RedBrevayep
20:19:41bluebrotherI've just added a comment to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5458
20:21:15bluebrotherwhat do you think? Unfortunately tucoz isn't in ...
20:21:32bluebrotherbut I'd like to get some comments before I start changing the screenshot macro ;-)
20:21:50RedBrevaI think that's a darn good idea - the thought og having to generate another couple'o hundred screenshots was not appealing :)
20:21:53bluebrother(as I finally again have time for working on the manual)
20:22:14kkurbjunamiconn, I've also got a patch for the ipod mini lcd shutdown, I guess I'll just put that one on the tracker
20:22:17RedBrevahehehe, real life sure can get in the way at times
20:22:35bluebrotheryup. But I survived it ;-)
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20:23:05bluebrotherok, I think I'll start hacking the screenshot macro ...
20:23:41RedBrevausing Platform name from the platform profile as the device name?
20:23:46bluebrothermaybe we should have an agreement which screenshots to be device specific and which should be the "generic resolution" shot.
20:23:54linuxstbkkurbjun: The remaining bugs are here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2&due=3&order=sev
20:24:07saa[b_r]ideranyone wanna help me with cygwin? (I did some progress since this morning!)
20:24:17linuxstbkkurbjun: Plus I think some stuff not specifically in the tracker, such as the h3x0 power consumption issue.
20:24:26benanneAnybody here using rockbox on an ipod nano?
20:24:56RedBrevabenanne: YES, i DO
20:25:08linuxstbbenanne: Some runtime tests are here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime
20:25:10RedBrevaWhoops , sorry caps lock got hit by mistake
20:25:52kkurbjunlinuxstb, was it decided if the H300 will be in the 3.0 release?
20:26:25linuxstbAFAIK, it's still in.
20:26:41linuxstbBut I guess that's mainly because there are so many other issues.
20:28:04saa[b_r]iderspeaking of the H300.. I was worried that my battery was dieing, so I tested my H300's battery life using RB, I got something between 3-4 hours
20:28:44saa[b_r]idermore like 3.5-4 hours
20:29:14woodensoulIs better battery going to be part of the 3.0 release for the H300 series?
20:30:25kkurbjunlinuxstb, I'll start looking into those bugs and working on ones I know something about
20:30:43Febswoodensoul, that is the question of the month.
20:31:03RedBrevacould someone have a look at minesweeper3.patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5430 ? The manual changes have been commited, but this is a code patch...
20:31:23kkurbjununfortunatly most of them seem to be playback issues which I know nothing about
20:31:24saa[b_r]iderFebs: I thought qwustion of the month was "when will 3.0 be released?" :P
20:31:51RedBrevaThat was the question of LAST month :)
20:32:00saa[b_r]iderhehehe
20:32:11FebsRight. ;) I propose that we never EVER again announce a release date.
20:32:32Mikachuwhen people ask me i just make up a date
20:32:34Mikachuthen they go away
20:33:11saa[b_r]iderso no experienced cygwin users around?
20:33:13benanneRedBreva, linuxstb, thanks
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20:34:09woodensoulI don't understand the obession with a specified date. Just install the latest CVS build and there is your 3.0 version on any date you want it.
20:34:20ts-xLooks like Rockbox made Engadget => http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/02/sandisk-hits-up-rockbox-for-some-firmware/
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20:34:49ts-xThe 'nerdy alternative' talk is a little harsh though :)
20:35:46woodensoulYeah, I guess we're all nerds. :-(
20:36:00woodensoulI'm a happy nerd with my Rockbox, though.
20:36:07ts-xMe too :)
20:37:45benannemeh heck, im going to install it anyways
20:37:51benanneI'm sick of having to use crap like gtkpod
20:38:07benannealso gapless playback <3
20:38:22saa[b_r]ideroh the gapless!
20:38:32ts-xIt's like butter...
20:38:38benannehehe
20:38:51benanneI have this concept album thats cut into 69 tracks
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20:38:56benanneits a pain to listen to without gapless
20:39:02saa[b_r]ideryou don't really appreciate it enough till you use the original firmware after months of RB use
20:39:11benannehehe
20:40:19RedBrevabenanne: I would just say, that I installed iTunes a few days ago the theory being: my 8 year old had a nano for his b/day, and at present Rockbox is still a little complex for him, but to be honest I am thinking of rockboxing him too, the apple interface is just Waaaaay to anal!
20:40:32benanneheh
20:40:46RedBrevaeven he is complaining about it!!
20:41:05saa[b_r]iderhahaha I propose a quote of the month
20:41:16RedBrevaoh, and he want's a custom WPS like his dad
20:41:44saa[b_r]ideripod users say "the apple interface is just waaaaay too anal!"
20:42:03RedBrevaheheheheh
20:42:18saa[b_r]iderredbreva: what player do you use?
20:42:29RedBrevaH140 and Nano 4Gig
20:42:58saa[b_r]iderso now 8 year olds have ipods too?
20:43:28RedBrevayep, 1G, and the 12 year old has a 2G to replace her Ondio (Both rockboxed)
20:43:41benanneheehee
20:45:22saa[b_r]iderI'm just worried that by the time my son becomes 5 he'll be asking me for an iPod :|
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20:46:29RedBrevaI have been fighting it for 2 years, and finally gave in this Birthday... he had reading difficulties, so I told him when he got a good report from his teacher, he could have one....
20:47:08saa[b_r]iderI know how you feel... it's kinda the same with mobile phones now...
20:47:24RedBrevahe STILL isn't getting one of them!!
20:47:51saa[b_r]iderbut I'm surprised about the ipod as I didn't expect an 8 year old to really be into music
20:48:21saa[b_r]iderI didn't start listening to music till I was about 12
20:48:32RedBrevaBlack Eyed Peas, Pussycat Dolls and Sugarbabes to be precise
20:48:37benanneew
20:48:38benanneheehee
20:48:41RedBrevaso, not really music :D
20:48:44benanne:D
20:49:02*benanne is extremely narrowminded
20:49:07benanneand proud of it >:)
20:49:08RedBrevaGot his da's taste in women tho' ;-)
20:49:16benannenow, tis time for some rockboxin'
20:50:14benanneif I fuck up, is the procedure easily reversible?
20:51:07RedBrevayes, but it was pretty straighforward, so you shouldn't have a problem - IF you read and follow the instructions properly
20:51:16saa[b_r]iderPCD and sugarbabes I understand... it's just sad that black eyed peas are turning into a generic band.. I enjoy their music
20:51:26benannewill do, thanks :)
20:51:53benanne"How to install Rockbox on your iPod using Linux" that's the one I need right
20:52:21saa[b_r]iderhow's the scroll wheel speed on RBed iPods now?
20:52:30RedBrevaDepends, only if you are using Linux ;-)
20:53:12benannewell, yaeh ;)
20:53:14benanneyeah*
20:53:20benanneokay, here goes nothing
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20:58:05linuxstbbenanne: Just make sure you keep a backup copy of the "bootpartition.bin" file you extract from your ipod in one of the first steps. If anything goes wrong, you can just "dd" it back and your ipod should be as good as new.
20:58:13benanneyep
20:58:14benanneim doing that now
20:58:17benannecool, thanks :)
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21:00:59woodensoulWhat codec and bitrate do you guys use? I'm curious cince the codec support is so good with rockbox. I rip to FLAC for my archives, then transcode to LAME APS for listening.
21:01:36dpassen1I use LAME preset standard as well
21:03:02benannehee, me too :)
21:03:07woodensoulOgg has really got me interested for my 20GB players though, since 20GB is *only* about 250 APS albums.
21:03:10benanneflac is too big for my liking
21:03:15benanneand I don't hear any diff either
21:03:34woodensoulI wonder how much, if any, quality difference I could hear between APS and ogg at Q4 for example.
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21:06:07benannebootloader works, yay :)
21:06:10benannenow to get the actual firmware on
21:07:34woodensoulbenanne: I use FLAC for archives only. It also makes transcoding to other formats a snap for listening tests. Re-ripping is for suckers. ;-)
21:07:41dwihnowoodensoul: that makes two of us
21:07:46benannehmm
21:07:50benannemy hd space is limitted
21:07:57benanneso is my monthly bandwidth :(
21:07:59benannelimited*
21:08:01woodensoulDVD-Rs are so cheap though.
21:08:06benanneso I like it small
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21:08:21woodensouldwihno: two of us?
21:08:59dwihnowoodensoul: flac for archiving, mp3 for playback on portable units.
21:09:43markunQuarryman: saa[b_r]ider:
21:09:46markuneh..
21:10:21woodensouldwihno: Makes sense to me :-)
21:10:37woodensoulAnd EAC is a given, I hope.
21:10:48*petur wonders if amiconn is around
21:11:02dwihnowoodensoul: yeah, eac and verification to make sure the rips are ok
21:11:23benannewoo
21:11:27benannemy ipod is officially rockboxed
21:11:32dwihnocongrats!
21:11:45peturwelcome to the club of free people
21:11:48benanne:D
21:11:53benannenow to make it look better
21:11:56benanneits themeable right
21:11:58dwihnoSince more and more companies are employing copy protection, is it possible to do some kind of optical extraction and still get a 1:1 copy?
21:12:07*woodensoul uses secure mode with 'accurate stream' enabled and also 'drives caches' enabled
21:12:27peturbenanne: there's a wps gallery in the wiki
21:12:55woodensouldwihno: Get a Plextor Premium and you'll be able to get around the copy protection using EAC.
21:12:58benanneyeah :)
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21:13:05benanneima make it look hawt & sexeh.
21:13:10peturplextor is nice
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21:13:18*petur has two of 'm
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21:13:34peturtheir service is good two
21:13:39petur*too
21:13:42benanneyay for anathema
21:13:42dwihnowoodensoul: I got a pretty expensive plextor unit and it still failed me on some discs... :/
21:14:00woodensoulwhich version of EAC are you using?
21:14:03dwihnolatest
21:14:10woodensoulthat could be your problem
21:14:25dwihnoyou think so?
21:14:36peturfor some discs I need to make a copy with clonecd first, the copy is then ripable
21:14:44woodensoulyou should use .9 because some features were removed from later version for 'legal' reasons
21:14:52dwihnoHowever I'm replacing my destop with a portable, so I guess I'll have to get an externaöl
21:15:15woodensoulexternal CD-ROM for ripping on a laptop?
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21:15:26dwihnopetur: aah, funky! it works on all kinds of copy protection?
21:15:42peturit has done all disks here so far ;)
21:15:49dwihnowoodensoul: if the optical unit is bad at handling copy protected discs, yes
21:16:11woodensoulI haven't tested it thoroughly with all types, but I'v yet to come across a disc that wouldn't rip.
21:16:15dwihnopetur: A pretty funky idea. I'll test that.
21:16:44dwihnopetur: do you think the copying software matters?
21:16:47woodensoulExact Audio Copy 0.9 beta 4 is the version you want.
21:16:59peturactivate the repair subchannel data function from clonecd
21:17:04dwihnowoodensoul: Will get that.
21:17:20dwihnopetur: doesn't that break something?
21:17:36dwihnoeac have done wonders with some _old_ discs of mine
21:17:53peturhmmm I have 0.95 prebeta 5 - too recent?
21:18:17dwihnois it possible to pipe stuff in windows like in linux?
21:18:36dwihnofor example, decoding flac and process it with lame
21:19:11thegeekyes
21:19:19thegeekpiping is possible
21:19:38thegeeknot sure if there are any apps that actually use it (much)
21:19:47*woodensoul uses two disc doctor repair units, one fitted with 2000 grit sandpaper, the other with the standard re-surfacing wheel to repair scratched discs.
21:19:48dwihno:/
21:20:25peturpipes were used more in the dos days when we were still stuck to commandline interfaces
21:20:28woodensoulspraying the disc with water first... of course
21:20:37benannehow do I load music onto it now? Do I just stuff it in the root directory?
21:20:58peturbenanne: make a folder structure as you like
21:21:00dwihnobenanne: Just treat it like any disk attached to your computer
21:21:21benannecool :)
21:21:30dwihnoStructure is a good thing anyhow... Think of the dir limits and stuff
21:22:40woodensoulbenanne: do you plan to try the album art enabled version of rockbox on you nano?
21:22:50benannehmm no
21:22:54benannedon't care much for album covers :p
21:23:08woodensoulOh well, I think it's pretty.
21:23:22benanneheh
21:23:44woodensoulIt looks nice on my H320.
21:24:30woodensoulMay I suggest the iCatcher WPS? I use a modified version of it on my H120.
21:24:46benanneI'm thinking of using Neeon black meself
21:24:52benannejust need to find out how to enable it :)
21:25:44woodensoulHow's the scroll wheel control with Rockbox?
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21:25:56benanneseems to work fine
21:26:08*petur points benanne to the wiki and the F(ine) M(manual)
21:26:33benanneI like to figure things out on myself first ;)
21:26:56*woodensoul has been testing the latest CVS release for the bug I mentioned involving ID3 view crashing...
21:27:04woodensoulIt seems to be fixed. :-)
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21:34:58dwihnowoodensoul: do you know what features were modified in eac?
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21:35:46woodensouljust a sec...
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21:36:54benanneum, guys
21:36:57benannemy ipod isn't doing much...
21:37:09benanneI cant seem to turn it on
21:37:13woodensoulAll I can say is that later version of EAC supposedly have features disable that have to do with copy protection. I'm not sure on the specifics.
21:38:29benanneshit.
21:38:31benannethis aint good.
21:38:37woodensoulreset it?
21:38:42benannehow do I do that?
21:38:44saa[b_r]iderdon't pani benanne
21:38:50saa[b_r]iderpanic even
21:38:52benanneit doesn't do anything, I can't turn it on :(
21:38:57KohlrabiCan you secure rip with f2k0.9 now?
21:39:13Kohlrabiand, btw, any plans on MKA-support in rb?
21:39:24benannei think before unplugging it i saw an image of a fully loaded battery with a yellow triangle and an exclamation mark in it
21:39:26dwihnof2k?
21:39:29Kohlrabifoobar2k
21:39:30benannethat's not good either is it
21:39:56Kohlrabithe f2k devs stated thta they can securely rip with f2k
21:40:18peturbenanne: I think it's a known problem... no harm there
21:40:39benanneresetting worked
21:40:46benannemenu + middle for 5 secs
21:40:54benannei hope it won't happen too often
21:40:57peturgood
21:41:24bluebrotherwhat means "securely ripping"?
21:41:41peturbenanne: ipod support will get better in time, be patient and enjoy what's there already
21:41:48benanneokay :)
21:41:48dwihnobluebrother: well, no glitches...
21:42:01woodensoulI didn't even know you could rip with f2k.
21:42:25dwihnobluebrother: and if the disc is damaged beyond "ripability", the sw should not tell the rip was ok
21:42:27*petur kicks the build servers
21:42:31*woodensoul get's perfect results with EAC setup as-is. Why mess with perfection?
21:43:02dwihnowoodensoul: how is your drive configured? (I suppose it's a plextor premium)
21:44:11lostlogichmph, we're on top of /. again sorta
21:45:07woodensouldwihno: the Premium is one of the drives I use. All are configured as follows...
21:45:08peturshit. that's what slowing down the server :/
21:45:35lostlogicsandisk is apparently trying to talk to us about porting to their players?
21:45:49woodensoulSecure mode: 'accurate stream' enable, 'drives caches' enabled, C2 disabled regardless if the drive supports C2
21:46:00peturlostlogic: read the committers ml please :D
21:46:14woodensoulMake SURE overread into lead-in and lead-out is DISABLED unless you're sure your drive supports it.
21:46:21benannewoo, tis playin :D
21:46:39benanneoh dear
21:46:43benannethe theme thing kinda fucked up, heh
21:46:48saa[b_r]iderthere you go
21:47:00benannecan I reset the theme somehow?
21:47:34woodensoulPlextor drives are the only ones I know will do that.
21:47:37saa[b_r]iderselect a different one...
21:47:37dwihnowoodensoul: ah, okay
21:47:38benanneeh, the problem is
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21:47:56benannethe background is white, and the fonts are also :p
21:47:56dwihnowoodensoul: overreading lead-in does what?
21:47:56benanneso I can't really select a different one
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21:47:56saa[b_r]iderthat shouldn't happen...
21:48:04benannewell it did, heh
21:48:20saa[b_r]iderdid it work properly at all before?
21:48:25woodensouloverreads into the lead-in and lead-out section of the disc ;-)
21:48:31benanneyes
21:48:36benanneI changed it during playback and then it fucked up :(
21:48:40woodensoulOtherwise some samples won't be ripped. Sorry that's all I really know.
21:48:44benanneseems like only the font changed, but not the background
21:48:52benanneI changed from the whiteish jack theme to the black-ish neeon black theme
21:48:53saa[b_r]iderwhat exactly did you change?
21:49:08woodensoulMost drives can't overread into lead-in and out so some samples can't be ripped.
21:49:09benannethe theme
21:49:13benannethrough "browse themes"
21:49:21benannemaybe if I turn it off and on it will be correct
21:49:24dwihnowoodensoul: heh, I thought it had something to do with protection
21:49:27woodensoulI always get the drive offset from accuraterip.com and put that in too.
21:49:31saa[b_r]iderthere is a way to reset
21:49:35benannebut the traditional "hold play" doesn't seem to turn it off
21:49:38benannei have a lot to learn :)
21:49:44saa[b_r]ideralthough I'm not sure how for iPods don't own one
21:49:46woodensouldwihno: Not related to protection as far as I know.
21:50:38woodensoulHas anyone else noticed that seeking within a track no longer breaks the gapless transition?
21:50:38dwihnowoodensoul: so just getting any missing samples then :)
21:50:59saa[b_r]iderthe .cfg file for the theme you chose may not have a setting for font color (or font type for that matter) so the font most likely stayed like it was in the previously loaded theme
21:51:08dwihnowoodensoul: depending on the quality of the optical drive on my new notebook, I'll perhaps just get an external for that purpose (I do listen to a lot of music)
21:51:45woodensouldwihno: I got an enclosure for laptop ripping because in my experience all laptop drives are horrible at ripping with the setup I use.
21:52:03woodensoulvery slow and horrible with scratches
21:52:11lostlogicpetur: hmph, neat!
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21:52:43benannehmm, it crashed again after I disconnected it :(
21:52:48benannethe theme is fixed now though
21:53:26peturbenanne: I think it's a known problem... no harm there
21:53:28dwihnowoodensoul: that's kind of what I am expecting.
21:53:35benannehmm, slightly annoying, but oh well
21:53:38*petur wonders about the echo
21:53:57woodensoulRipping in burst mode will be fast, but the quality will make it useless.
21:54:23petur*never* rip in burst mode
21:54:42peturit's a recipe for bad rips
21:54:52benanneno wait, not fixed :(
21:55:13peturbenanne: what are you doing?
21:55:32benannetrying to fix my theme trouble
21:55:37benanneit seems to have combined two themes now
21:55:47benannethe white background from the jack2 theme with the white text from the neeon black theme
21:55:50woodensoulif you need a suggestion for a drive that's good for ripping audio and happens to burn DL DVDs as a bonus... Toshiba SD-R 5372
21:56:10woodensoulI actually find it better than the Plextor Premium often and that's really saying something
21:56:16woodensoulI got it for less than $50.
21:56:23peturbenanne: a theme consist of a .wps and a .cfg - you need both
21:56:38benanneI just extracted the zipfile into .rockbox
21:56:43benannefor both themes
21:57:14peturright, so one of the themes probably doesn't specify the bg color. bad theme :(
21:57:20benanneyeah
21:57:46benanneI think i'll just reinstall or something
21:58:33*woodensoul is off to finish season 3 of 24.
21:58:39peturif you change a setting, you need to stop the ipod a normal way for the setting to get stored. If you reset it or plug the usb cable it reboots without saving (again, known problem)
21:58:45benanneoh, damn
21:58:49benanneokay
21:58:52peturbenanne: switch on hold while booting
21:59:00peturit will reset your settings
21:59:04benanneoh lol
21:59:08benannewell i'm already reinstalling heh
21:59:18peturwon't help you....
21:59:26petursettings aren't stored in a file :p
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22:00:03benanneoh
22:00:03benannelol
22:00:04RedBrevabenanne: Try the themes from http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_176x132x16.html, I have tested most of them on my own Nano, and they worked OK...
22:00:37benannemenu is fixed now though
22:00:48benanneyay :)
22:00:51benanneits very sexy now
22:00:54benanneentirely black :D
22:01:08peturwith black text? :D
22:01:17benannelol no
22:01:21benanneI get "error accessing playlist control file" now though :(
22:01:23peturjust kidding
22:01:50benannebut playback works fine
22:01:55bluebrotherRedBreva: how have you build up your themes page? Is it statically?
22:02:07RedBrevaAlso, good tip is boot into Apple firmware before connecting to PC, the USB mode is *way* faster than the bootloader USB mode (At The Moment) and if you have the option to 'Eject' the device before unplugging, it seems to help
22:02:10benannevery nice, heh
22:02:18RedBrevabluebrother: Yep, afraid so..
22:02:32benannewell, i always do "eject /dev/sdb" before unplugging
22:02:40benannethe last time it seemed to work without having to hard reset
22:02:54bluebrotherhmm, I just had the idea of having something that builds up automatically. Like having a .zip and a description file
22:03:06benanneah, it has an equalizer :o
22:03:06benanneyay!
22:03:20bluebrothermaybe I should start looking into php again ...
22:03:47bluebrothershouldn't be difficult. Maybe rockbox itself wants to host something like that?
22:03:58RedBrevaThe idea was to get a site that worked first, and then work out some automation later, but then I had a hernia repair, and sitting up for more than 20 minutes became difficult for a few weeks...
22:04:00benannephp is evil :p
22:04:15bluebrotherphp is great ;-)
22:04:18peturRedBreva: ouch!
22:04:28RedBrevaI know... :(
22:04:29benanneI hate php
22:04:33*benanne is a ruby on rails zealot
22:04:58bluebrotherRedBreva: can you run php scripts?
22:05:31RedBrevame personally, no I can't cout that fast, but I believe my ISP can ;-)
22:05:43RedBrevacout = count
22:06:09RedBrevadamn, real life calls again.... later guys
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22:07:42benanneheehee, I like the special effects
22:07:45benannefadeout blacklight etc :D
22:07:54benannewoo, gapless :o
22:08:25benannevery nice
22:08:53benannenow, I need some more bass >:)
22:08:57*benanne toys with the equalizer
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22:10:11benannehaha, great stuff
22:10:30benannethe slight cosmetic errors here and there aren't going to stop me from enjoying it :) thanks guys
22:11:27peturas they say, it can only get better ;)
22:12:36benanneis it me or does it boot faster than the default firmware :p
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22:51:08aghasterAm I alone experiencing random freezes with latest cvs version? I did compile it by myself, maybe its the cause, I don't know
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22:53:43stevenmHey we got slashdotted
22:53:56benannehah, cool
22:54:20peturnot so much as last time
22:54:31stevenmyea but still
22:54:33peturserver is still up :D
22:54:42stevenmat least they're not looking for RB 3.0
22:55:12stevenmis it some sort of bug with the cypress chip? maybe some junk gets written to it by accident or something
22:55:23stevenmand it turns everything on and kills the battery
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22:59:31pekujaHi. I have an iriver H320. I was looking at the Rockbox page, and the front page and the WhyRockBox page seem to say that the H3xx-series is supported, but the FAQ says that it's still in development. Which is true?
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23:00:16pekujaI understand there is a bootloader, but is it currently at a state that I as a user should be interested in installing it?
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23:00:36crashdpekuja: it works really well on the h320
23:00:36crashdhowever
23:00:39crashdthere _are_ bugs
23:00:50pekujaok
23:00:53crashdand as such, you may encounter them using it as an end user, having said that
23:01:05pekujaI understand.
23:01:06crashdi use rockbox on my 5g ipod, and that's been in development for much less time than the H series of irivers
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23:01:42pekujaIt's possible to dual boot to the iriver firmware or completely uninstall Rockbox if it doesn't work for me, right?
23:01:48crashdyup
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23:01:57pekujaI'm quite interested in trying it out even if it turns out not to be stable enough or whatever. :-)
23:02:13crashdwell, it's pretty solid on the ipod, from what i hear the H3XX series is pretty rock solid
23:02:17pekujaThanks. I think I'll go download the firmware.
23:02:21pekujawow.
23:02:26peturpekuja: also note that battery life is a bit worse than iriver firmware, a bug that still needs fixing
23:03:08peturall other things are better than iriver firmware ;)
23:06:14Tom_apart from you can't use the SRS WOW :(
23:06:23peturbleh
23:06:51peturthat crap ruins your music
23:07:06Tom_how does it 'ruin' your music?
23:07:17FebsAs far as I'm concerned, the lack of SRS WOW is a feature.
23:07:26peturit makes it sound bad
23:07:43Tom_how does it make it sound 'bad' ?
23:08:33FebsBy altering phase information to simulate spatial cues, for one thing.
23:08:37peturas in 'not as intended by the artist' ? times 10
23:08:58pekujawhat's SRS WOW?
23:09:05Tom_listening to your music in mp3/ogg isn't intended by the artist
23:09:13FebsBS.
23:09:14peturrotfl
23:09:46Tom_Yeah k, elvis intended his music to be ripped to MP3. Nice!
23:09:46bluebrotherFebs: have you noted my comment on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5458
23:10:10pekujais there no Linux version of the H3xx firmware patcher?
23:10:26Tom_run it under wine
23:10:28deadlierc*crosses fingers* okay, boot!!
23:10:38pekujaTom_, does it run under wine?
23:10:44bluebrotherI'm thinking if it would be better using <name>-<resolution>-<name> or omitting the <resolution> if <name> is used.
23:10:45Tom_yes
23:11:17Tom_Come on Febs, did Elvis really intend you to listen to his music in MP3 format?
23:11:19deadliercwell, no luck :(
23:11:25Tom_Or is that BS too?
23:11:32Bagder /whois Elvis
23:11:35Bagderoops
23:11:48deadliercdoes Rockbox take a while to load or should it go right away? (4g iPod)
23:11:50bluebrotherlet me guess ... Elvis isn't on this channel?
23:11:57pekujaI doubt Elvis cared about the format you listen to it in
23:11:59FebsIf you take care in encoding your mp3/ogg, the result can be perceptually transparent , ie., indistinguishable from the CD.
23:12:07pekujas/it/his music/
23:12:51FebsPersonally, I have produced three CDs and recorded on several others. I've never found an SRS WOW setting that is even close to anything *I* intended for that music.
23:13:04FebsMP3s made from my CD, however, sound like my CD.
23:13:07Tom_did you try setting it up ?
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23:13:23Tom_'like' being the key word
23:13:27Febsbluebrother, I like your proposal.
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23:13:47bluebrotherI would vote for keeping the resolution.
23:14:03Febslike = indistuinguishable in a double-blind test.
23:14:13pekujanot that I need it, but since you said that Rockbox is better than iriver firmware in every way, does Rockbox also play videos?
23:14:26bluebrotherthen I'll try to finish my screenshot macro hacking ;-)
23:14:53Tom_no, that's not the defintion of like Febs, go read the dictionary
23:15:16FebsI see we have a master of rhetoric among us.
23:16:29FebsFrom Dictionary.com. Like: "Possessing *the same* or almost the same characteristics; similar: on this and like occasions." (emphasis mine)
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23:17:23BagderTom_: please drop the attitude
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23:17:30Bagderit'll make this a nicer place
23:17:33Tom_He's got the attitude, not me.
23:17:42Febsbluebrother, what do you think of the screen shots for larger screen platforms like the H300 and ipod video?
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23:17:46Bagderyou're the noob, Febs is not
23:17:59Tom_How do you know I'm a 'noob' ?
23:18:03stevenmpekuja, not quite yet. well, not on iriver anyway
23:18:12bluebrotherFebs: we need to decide which goes as "natural" screenshot.
23:18:16stevenmpekuja, gets 70fps on archis though
23:18:21stevenmarchos
23:18:35Tom_just because you haven't incorporated one of the better functions into your Rockbox firmware, I'm a noob?
23:18:35pekujastevenm, ok, cool
23:18:39FebsYeah, IMO, those screenshots are very difficult to read.
23:18:42bluebrotheri.e. having h300 as -220x176x16 and the video -220-176-16-video
23:18:47bluebrotheror different way round.
23:18:58FebsOr using a bigger font?
23:19:05stevenmpekuja, not on iriver... i think there's some ogg/theora in the works.. but i dont know. you can always boot to original fw for that
23:19:31zivan56http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/02/166210 - SanDisk Baits Apple And Woos Rockbox, how is Rockbox being wooed? ;)
23:19:33pekujastevenm, oh, I don't need it really. I never used it other than watching the demo video once :-P
23:19:33bluebrotherusing a bigger font was suggested for 3.1, wasn't it? So we could use that bigger font ... if we knew which it will be
23:19:36Tom_Well Bagder? Or are you going to continually brown nose your friend?
23:19:39BagderTom_: so implement it and show us how god you are
23:19:45Kick(#Rockbox Tom_ :Bagder) by Bagder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder
23:20:06pekujastevenm, it seemed too limited. dunno if it was really all that hard to use though, but I didn't really have a need to watch videos on the go
23:20:23Febsbluebrother, I haven't looked at the 3.1 goals recently, but I would definitely support a bigger system font.
23:20:23stevenmyea
23:21:05FebsTom_,(1) whether SRS WOW is a "better" function is something that is highly subjective.
23:21:13bluebrotherI'd say postpone the bigger resolution problem past 3.0
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23:21:33bluebrotherand try to get it "smooth" internally now.
23:21:37Febs(2) Rockbox has a number of features, in particular parametric EQ and crossfeed, that are IMO "better" than SRS WOW
23:21:51crashdbluebrother: do we really need to waste cycles on anti-aliasing?
23:21:54bluebrothera bigger font would definitely better and imo the best solution.
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23:21:58Febsblueborther, sounds like a plan.
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23:22:35bluebrothercrash: cycles on antialiasing? On displaying the manual? Or what do you mean?
23:22:38FebsTom_, but nothing stops you (or anyone else who is interested) in implementing an SRS WOW feature if you'd like to have one.
23:23:02MikachuFebs: this is why we use tabcomplete :)
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23:23:55FebsTom_, actually, that's not quite true. Dolby's patents stop you from doing so, but you could implement an SRS-like feature.
23:24:19crashdisn't "SRS-WOW" just ridiculously boosted bass?
23:24:19Mikachuhm, he replied to ping in 1.7 seconds but looks like lagging anyway? weird
23:24:28FebsMikachu, no tab complete on the web interface :( and my company has a web filter that blocks me from using IRC.
23:24:35FebsIRC/MIRC
23:24:48Mikachuin case you didn't notice, bagder kicked him a while ago
23:25:03FebsOh.
23:25:05*Febs blushes.
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23:26:22pekujaok, I think my iriver is broken now, and I didn't even install Rockbox yet O__o
23:27:05pekujaI have nothing plugged into it, and then it says "charging..." "complete" "connected" and then won't react to anything but a hard reset
23:27:09pekujaweird
23:27:40Febspekuja, go to misticriver.net and look for the thread called "How to fix the [rare] always connected bug."
23:27:56pekujawhoa, thanks
23:28:59FebsHere's a link: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=26516&highlight=rare+connected
23:29:14FebsNo guarantees, but I know that has worked for some people.
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23:35:05pekujaFebs, it worked swell. thanks
23:35:28pekujadidn't have any wire around, had to use two pins, but worked all the same
23:36:07peturamiconn?
23:38:22pekujayeih, it's working now
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23:40:07bluebrotherRedBreva: I was playing around a bit with a themes php script ... tell me if you're interested (and are reading this ;-)
23:40:51Febspekuja, I'm glad to hear it worked.
23:40:53dionoeahello all. I used to have an archos recorder 6GB with rockbox (which i really enjoyed using) and i'm planning on buying a new mp3 player. Is the rockbox port for video iPods usable ?
23:41:24Febsdionoea, I've been using it since the day I bought my ipod about a month and a half ago.
23:41:39dionoeanice :)
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23:43:09dionoeaany known issues ? (other than battery life being shorter than with original apple firmware)
23:43:10yodazhi all
23:43:28dionoea(i'd be glad to help fixing bugs in rockbox if i do buy an iPod)
23:43:38yodazis it possible to install rockbox on an ipod mini 1st gen with only one fat 32 partition
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23:44:30Paul_The_NerdSlashdot and Engadget today apparently.
23:44:39Bagderyeah
23:44:45*petur tries to understand cpu_boost() ... what a strange way to code that logic
23:44:46Bagderpremature is not even the name for it
23:44:48yodazthe goal is using the ipode mini as a standard usb key, and rockbox to play mp3
23:44:51Febsdionoea, if you use a WPS with peakmeters active, or if you use the graphic EQ, it can cause skipping.
23:45:34oboIs AAC planned as part of 3.0? (it's just there was some talk of dropping it...)
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23:45:55dionoeai saw that some nice color WPS were available ... that's an improvement over the archos recorder :)
23:46:01FebsLikewise, if you spin through the scroll wheel too fast, that can cause music to glitch. But these are relatively small things.
23:46:08Paul_The_NerdI wonder if this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing.
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23:46:10dionoeawas the album art patch commited to trunk ?
23:46:30dionoeaFebs: so it basically works ok all the time ? :)
23:46:37FebsNo, the album art an unofficial patch.
23:47:18nudelyn:(
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23:47:37BagderPaul_The_Nerd: I'm glad I haven't said more about in public than what I have
23:47:41sbrick89anyone know what the chances are, of rockbox being ported to other players?
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23:48:16Bagdersbrick89: we've been doing new platforms since the start
23:48:32zivan56how exactly is Sandisk "wooing" Rockbox? Or is this just speculation from IRC/Forum posts
23:48:36Paul_The_NerdBagder: You think it's just someone who picked it up from like, the IRC logs?
23:48:48BagderPaul_The_Nerd: yes, and my mention it in the forums
23:49:01sbrick89ok more specifically, is there a list of platforms that rockbox is being actively ported to?
23:49:02dionoeabtw, i was wondering if some of the new players would work as usb hosts, like archo's gmini 402 for example? (any known hardware related problems?)
23:49:28dionoea(and provided that a usb driver existed in rockbox for those players)
23:49:36FebsWell, the story has hit CNET as well: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/digitalmusic/0,39029432,49273890,00.htm
23:49:44peturBagder: they must have missed the initial mail by paprica on the ml
23:49:45Bagdersbrick89: gigabeat is in the pipe and ifp-799
23:49:58Bagderpetur: that was on the committers list
23:50:05peturwas it?
23:50:09pekujaHm... Rockbox seems to be pretty neat.
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23:50:33pekujaThe UI is a bit crude, but at least it's less confusing than iriver's original.
23:50:35oboPaul_The_Nerd: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/05/rockbox-on-the-sandisk-sansa-e200-series.php
23:50:39peturBagder: oh right....
23:50:48hardeepAnyone here of this school project: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=187340&cid=15458147 ?
23:50:52pekujaalthough the huge menu can probably get a bit annoying
23:51:06FebsI can't help but wonder if SanDisk didn't leak the info itself.
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23:51:49pekujathe seamless playback is cool. I like listening to progressive rock, many of those albums are designed to be played seamlessly
23:52:27Paul_The_NerdWell, the CNET one led to the Slashdot one.
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23:53:22Mikachuthere are like a hundred people in here that could have seen the conversation
23:53:40Paul_The_NerdFebs: That is possible, since "Open Source Firmware" is the opposite end of the spectrum from how closed Apple's iBlah system is, and Sandisk has been going very anti-iPod right now.
23:54:08sbrick89bagder: so i guess my lyra's prolly not getting much attention?... das cool, just wanted to know
23:54:17Paul_The_Nerddionoea: Some players have the hardware for USB Host (the iRiver H300 and iAudio X5 do) but Rockbox doesn't have any support for it yet.
23:54:29Bagdersbrick89: there's not been any reports about any such attempts, afaik
23:54:43Bagdersbrick89: a port needs one or a team of interested people, and then just go
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23:54:56Paul_The_NerdBagder: I thought the RCA Lyra had been brought up in the newport forum at least
23:55:06dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: so the hardware is specific to host or slave ? or is the difference software only ? (/me doens't know anything about USB)
23:55:09sbrick89well.. it needs knowledgable people w/ available equipment to test on, etc...
23:55:10yodazis there a way to use an ipod with rockbox as a standard usb key formatted in fat32 with only one partition ?
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23:55:17Paul_The_Nerdsbrick89: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4396.0
23:55:24sbrick89i've *no idea* about the platform that any of these things use
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23:55:25Bagderah yes, "port soon" it says
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23:55:40Mikachuyodaz: that is how you're supposed to use it
23:55:48Paul_The_NerdOf course, "port soon" is somewhat optimistic since it seems little actual programming is being done by them. ;)
23:55:49Bagdersbrick89: we know that already
23:56:00Bagdertms320
23:56:06Bagdermeet TI
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23:56:11Bagderfear TI
23:56:37yodazMikachu: ok, so if i drop all partition on my ipod, then create just one in fat32, I can install rockbox on it and it will works ?
23:56:42sbrick89hm... i like how this IRC client highlights people sayin my name ;)
23:56:42sbrick89anyway
23:56:52Mikachuyodaz: not literally, but yes :)
23:57:01yodazMikachu: wonderful :)
23:57:07Mikachuyodaz: you will have two partitions like you have with the stock ipod firmware
23:57:09BioVorEsbrick89: what irc client?
23:57:10yodazyou just ROCKS guys !
23:57:12Paul_The_Nerddionoea: In many cases the hardware can only be slave, yes. I _think_ that someone has said the iPod Hardware could potentially allow host too, since it's actually more software controlled, but I really don't know too much about it either, just what I've observed people saying.
23:57:30Bagderin fact, I _think_ it uses a tms320 since the Lyra RD2780 does
23:58:00sbrick89bagder: i'm sure ya know... like i said was just curious since i'd love to use the FM as a recorder, which the lyra chooses not to allow :P
23:58:01sbrick89thx :)
23:58:17sbrick89BioVorE: the web/cgi client on their website
23:58:29Bagdersbrick89: gather all your geek friends owning such players and get a port started!
23:58:52dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: ok, thanks for the info
23:58:52Bagderwe'll send you a beer when you're done!
23:58:54sbrick89i'm already working on enough stuff, thx though

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