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00:06:45 | sharpe | what options would be good to include in an installer? |
00:06:59 | sharpe | wow, how vague can that get... |
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00:08:16 | Aghaster | sharpe: you wanna code an installer for rockbox? |
00:08:33 | sharpe | yeh, nothing better to do. ;) |
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00:10:48 | sharpe | can't work on any plugins, as i don't have anything to do with them. er, develop them. |
00:11:09 | bluebrother | I was thinking about a web installer. |
00:11:27 | sharpe | hmm? |
00:11:40 | bluebrother | some small wizard which would download the latest stable / daily / cvs and updating the files on the dap itself. |
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00:12:16 | bluebrother | like, you have an updater.exe in the root of your player and when you want to update simply run it. |
00:12:32 | sharpe | it wouldn't be a web installer then... :D |
00:12:47 | haykuro | hello, i have iPL installed with Loader 2.4 and i tried putting rockbox onto my ipod but it doenst load. it isnt a loader error (i just confirmed this with the creator of the loader with a debug). |
00:12:49 | bluebrother | it asks about which version to install, about installing plugins or not ... |
00:12:52 | bluebrother | and so on ;-) |
00:13:10 | Aghaster | guys, i think the 29th language for rockbox will be ready tonight |
00:13:23 | bluebrother | which language would this be? |
00:13:25 | haykuro | the loader automaticly detects that rockbox is present (i extracted rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox directory to my ipod but it doesnt load) |
00:13:26 | sharpe | esperanto? |
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00:14:03 | sharpe | haykuro: does the bootloader give any error? |
00:14:12 | haykuro | nopoe |
00:14:14 | haykuro | nope* |
00:14:17 | haykuro | i debugged the loading session |
00:14:20 | haykuro | now error given |
00:14:23 | haykuro | no* |
00:14:46 | haykuro | it detects its the rockbox for nano, it detects everything fine |
00:14:49 | haykuro | then once it reaches the point |
00:14:53 | Aghaster | Esperanto |
00:15:10 | haykuro | where it shows the rockbox gui it doesnt load it hangs |
00:16:16 | RaeNye | are there actual people who prefer speaking Esperanto? |
00:16:37 | RaeNye | Esperantia natives? ;-) |
00:16:55 | sharpe | esperanto doesn't belong to a country... |
00:17:08 | haykuro | ..? |
00:17:18 | * | RaeNye knew that |
00:17:19 | Aghaster | i prefer to have my ipod in Esperanto |
00:17:22 | Aghaster | markun does too |
00:17:24 | haykuro | any idea? |
00:17:30 | Aghaster | he's waiting for my translation |
00:17:31 | Aghaster | hehe |
00:18:05 | sharpe | bluebrother: want me to write the updater? :D |
00:18:05 | RaeNye | why would you *know* esperanto? |
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00:18:37 | haykuro | sharpe? |
00:18:39 | Aghaster | For the simple reason that I learned it and speak it on a regular base? |
00:18:48 | sharpe | haykuro: i can't think of what would be wrong with it. |
00:19:01 | haykuro | okay, thank you |
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00:19:14 | RaeNye | hmm. where are you from? |
00:19:20 | Aghaster | Quebec |
00:19:23 | ritalin | asl? |
00:19:25 | ritalin | :P |
00:19:30 | Aghaster | Esperanto doesn't belong to any country |
00:20:10 | RaeNye | I know, i know. Zamenhoff invented it some 100 years ago |
00:20:19 | sharpe | lets see... install, update, uninstall, what else? |
00:20:34 | Aghaster | Ludovic Zamenhof, in 1887, in Varsovia |
00:20:40 | Aghaster | :P |
00:20:56 | obo | sharpe: grab the manual as well? |
00:21:07 | bluebrother | sharpe, if you're bored otherwise ... ;-) |
00:21:25 | sharpe | anyone have any objections to c#? |
00:21:37 | Aghaster | Yes, me. |
00:21:42 | Aghaster | Why not C++? |
00:21:49 | bluebrother | It was just an idea I had, so I guess I could make a nice programming exercise for me. But this shouldn't stop you from doing so. |
00:21:50 | sharpe | i don't do c++ ? |
00:21:56 | Aghaster | You wanna code an installer? |
00:22:05 | Aghaster | why not code it in Qt? |
00:22:22 | bluebrother | I was thinking of c++ with qt −− avaliable on windows, linux and macos :) |
00:22:30 | obo | Cassandra was working on one using WxWidgets |
00:22:34 | Aghaster | yeah, that's what i was about to suggest |
00:22:49 | Aghaster | I've been on wxwidgets for long, but Qt seems superior |
00:22:51 | sharpe | i was thinking the gnu implementation of it |
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00:22:55 | Aghaster | I've tried some Qt |
00:23:08 | bluebrother | ah. I wanted to ask about that for quite some time, but ... |
00:23:10 | Aghaster | I own the wxwidgets book |
00:23:11 | Aghaster | hehe |
00:23:12 | bluebrother | never mind. |
00:23:20 | Aghaster | but won't really use it again |
00:23:25 | bluebrother | never used wxwidget, but I want to lern qt. |
00:23:40 | bluebrother | which was the cause for my idea ;-) |
00:23:43 | Aghaster | yeah, good idea |
00:23:49 | Aghaster | i was impression by the Qt designer |
00:23:57 | Aghaster | it made me code 100x faster |
00:23:58 | Aghaster | lol |
00:24:11 | _spanner_ | Forgive me if this gets asked a lot, or is a sore topic: I was thinking of buying an iaudio x5 (I have a large vorbis collection) but recently ipod video + rockbox is looking attractive. Any recommendations either way? |
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00:25:02 | RaeNye | aghaster: Varsovia=Warsaw? |
00:26:08 | sharpe | lets see... what about, pike? |
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00:27:18 | Aghaster | is warsaw in polland? |
00:27:24 | _spanner_ | (Specifically thinking about battery life?) |
00:27:55 | Aghaster | spanner: battery life will be significantly less with rockbox |
00:29:06 | _spanner_ | Aghaster: annoyingly so? And is that true of rockbox on all platforms, or just ipod at the moment? |
00:29:58 | sharpe | ipods, really. |
00:30:03 | RaeNye | Warsaw is the capital of Poland, yeah |
00:30:08 | sharpe | many other players have longer battery life with rockbox. |
00:30:13 | Aghaster | then yeah, thats the good city |
00:30:16 | Aghaster | Rae |
00:30:59 | _spanner_ | Also in terms of dicking about with the code: can you easily get compilers for both ipod & x5? (I don't even know what chips they use...) |
00:31:32 | Aghaster | on linux its very easy |
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00:31:39 | _spanner_ | oh, cool |
00:31:40 | BHSPitMonkey | the cross compilers are available as cygwin packages |
00:31:41 | Aghaster | otherwise if you're on windows you'll use linux tools |
00:31:42 | Aghaster | lol |
00:31:45 | BHSPitMonkey | so on windows it's very easy too :) |
00:31:53 | _spanner_ | can gcc compile to both? :) |
00:32:03 | BHSPitMonkey | arm-elf-gcc for the ipod |
00:32:22 | Aghaster | there is a script for linux that download and install the toolchains automatically |
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00:35:16 | RaeNye | (not that crossdev on gentoo leaves much room for mistakes) |
00:35:20 | _spanner_ | Great... I'm leaning toward the ipod mainly for the nicer screen. Who knows, maybe I could turn a hand to the code too. Thanks. Can't wait to get rockbox installed (just waiting for insurance cheque for lost H340 :( ) |
00:35:49 | Mikachu | it's pretty much 5 commands to install the tool chain manually... |
00:36:30 | RaeNye | I'm sure you could get it to one long line with pipes if you try :) |
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00:36:53 | _spanner_ | is the toolchain fairly self-contained? I use gcc 4.1 fairly heavily on the rest of my system & wouldn't want too much conflict...? |
00:37:13 | Mikachu | yes, you can install it in ~/rockbox.gcc if you want |
00:37:13 | BHSPitMonkey | no conflict |
00:37:15 | bluebrother | you can install it alongside with your existing toolchain. |
00:37:39 | BHSPitMonkey | arm-elf-gcc is a separate package from gcc, and etc etc |
00:37:52 | BHSPitMonkey | I have two different versions of arm-elf-gcc side by side |
00:37:52 | bluebrother | I've installed arm-elf-gcc and m68k-elf-gcc system wide to /usr/local, no problems at all. |
00:38:01 | RaeNye | ditto |
00:38:27 | ritalin | rockbox do movies yet? |
00:38:42 | _spanner_ | That's nice! Someone's obviously gone to great lengths to make it easy. Thanks! |
00:39:06 | * | ritalin kinda liked the novelty of having a pornPod |
00:39:09 | ritalin | iPorn |
00:39:51 | _spanner_ | Doesn't the apple firmware do h264? or did I just make that up? |
00:42:11 | BHSPitMonkey | yeh |
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00:42:28 | m0nk_ | hey guys |
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00:47:49 | Aghaster | hi m0nk |
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00:51:28 | m0nk_ | hi aghaster...sorry i was n00bing out |
00:51:39 | Aghaster | ok |
00:51:50 | m0nk_ | watching my cousin play halo....whats up? |
00:52:16 | Aghaster | I'm almost finished translating rockbox to esperanto |
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00:52:27 | m0nk_ | cool |
00:52:39 | m0nk_ | im curious as to how devel is goin on the gigabeat:( |
00:52:52 | m0nk_ | i was in the gigabeat room but it seemed dead in there i guess the people are busy |
00:53:03 | m0nk_ | do you have any clue? |
00:53:04 | Aghaster | ok |
00:53:06 | Aghaster | i dont know |
00:53:20 | Aghaster | I don't know anything about the gigabeat |
00:53:25 | Aghaster | i have an ipod :P |
00:53:31 | m0nk_ | damn o well....good for you though |
00:53:39 | m0nk_ | ewwwwwww!!!!111111 IPOD |
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00:53:46 | m0nk_ | lol just just playin |
00:53:53 | m0nk_ | lawl |
00:54:15 | Aghaster | lol... |
00:54:19 | Aghaster | okay... |
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00:54:49 | m0nk_ | im not a fan of ipod.....or apple for that matter or microsoft |
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00:56:02 | Aghaster | Yeah, well, I wasn't too much sensible to DRM when i bought my ipod |
00:56:09 | m0nk_ | lol |
00:56:14 | Aghaster | i was a bit manipulated by Apple's publicity |
00:56:21 | Aghaster | and thought i needed an ipod in order to be cool |
00:56:35 | m0nk_ | lol a few years ago i would've bought an ipod because they were cool |
00:56:50 | m0nk_ | now i see them as overpriced BS |
00:57:02 | Aghaster | my next player probably won't be an ipod |
00:57:08 | Aghaster | but another model rockbox runs on |
00:57:09 | Aghaster | hehe |
00:57:11 | m0nk_ | lol |
00:57:18 | Aghaster | with better battery life XD |
00:57:20 | Aghaster | haha |
00:57:29 | m0nk_ | im waitin for rock box for my gigabeat.....i get 16 hours of battery as is |
00:57:34 | Aghaster | well, ipod's hardware isn't bad |
00:57:46 | Aghaster | i like the click wheel |
00:58:03 | Aghaster | what's the gigabeat, btw? |
00:58:05 | m0nk_ | ahh i like that too, but its not something that would make me |
00:58:07 | Aghaster | what are its specs? |
00:58:14 | m0nk_ | o shit....lol i will ook them up |
00:58:25 | Aghaster | ipods? |
00:58:28 | m0nk_ | the gigabeat is an mp3 player made by toshiba.....let me get some specs |
00:58:42 | Aghaster | uh, toshiba? |
00:59:18 | m0nk_ | yeah.....my dad got it for me....the stuff toshiba makes can take a total ass kicking |
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01:00:24 | Aghaster | what's so ass kicking about it? |
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01:01:27 | m0nk_ | lol well...my laptop held up for a year *in my hands* its about prolly 8 years old |
01:01:46 | m0nk_ | and i've beaten the shit out of dells....and all other laptop brands |
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01:02:36 | m0nk_ | ...and i would take my laptop to school in my bookbag*not padded btw* |
01:02:52 | m0nk_ | and i got slammed into a few walls one day while ruffing up my friend |
01:02:59 | m0nk_ | ...worked just fine when needed |
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01:04:36 | Galois | the ipod nano pretty ass kicking too you know |
01:04:47 | m0nk_ | lol |
01:04:48 | Galois | http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3 |
01:05:08 | m0nk_ | i dont have hardware specs to back myself yet....gimmie a second |
01:06:02 | m0nk_ | damn lol |
01:06:02 | Galois | In a final act of desperation, we decided to expose the iPod to a catastrophic event that would certainly destroy it. Lacking a really high place to drop the nano from, we decided the throw the nano as high as we could, say 40 feet into the air, and let it land−−hard−−on the concrete. |
01:06:46 | m0nk_ | id try and prove my gigabeat could withstand that.....but i would be scared to.... |
01:06:54 | m0nk_ | too precious....too expensive lol |
01:07:18 | Phobiac | I can believe it, the Nano is packed tight enough that it's insides wouldn't move enough to cause much damge. |
01:07:47 | m0nk_ | well, also figure in that the nano doesnt use a hard drive |
01:07:48 | Phobiac | I heard they are easy to snap in half though, although I'd rather not test it with mine to find out. |
01:08:05 | m0nk_ | hard drives break EASY |
01:08:28 | Galois | the whole reason I got it was because it doesn't have a hard drive |
01:08:32 | m0nk_ | lol |
01:08:35 | Galois | well, and that it runs rockbox |
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01:11:04 | m0nk_ | i've seen screenshots of rock box...i like it |
01:12:37 | * | ritalin has a pretty rockbox |
01:12:47 | gursikh | Rockbox is the best. (period) |
01:13:07 | ritalin | except on battery |
01:13:11 | ritalin | and ipod video :P |
01:13:49 | gursikh | I disagree. on all targets it has been released on (and the h1xx which is very close to release) it's the best. |
01:15:16 | RaeNye | Improbable feature req #3: patch OF to incorporate "Reboot to Rockbox" in the menu |
01:15:33 | gursikh | ritalin: Re: battery. I get MORE battery life with Rockbox than stock on my H120. |
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01:17:49 | RoC_MM | I get more features than stock on my 4G grey iPod. |
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01:18:11 | m0nk_ | *dies* must kill cousin in halo |
01:18:12 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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01:18:13 | RoC_MM | And since I don't use the stock firmware and never was, stock potential battery life is unknown and irrelevant to me. |
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01:18:39 | BHSPitMonkey | then how do you know you get more features than stock? |
01:18:40 | RoC_MM | the 2 year old ipod could use a new or new and better battery, but between 5-6 hours is fine for me. |
01:18:41 | BHSPitMonkey | ;) |
01:18:59 | RoC_MM | I just know |
01:19:11 | gursikh | I get around 18.5-19.2 hours using RB and only about 15.5-16 on stock (h120) |
01:19:17 | BHSPitMonkey | well, I'm still waiting for that status on the 5G |
01:19:18 | RoC_MM | Rockbox gives me this warm fuzzy feeling, and I know I wasn't getting that stock. |
01:19:26 | BHSPitMonkey | so until then, it's apple os for me.. |
01:19:32 | gursikh | lol RoC_MM |
01:20:01 | RoC_MM | Also |
01:20:21 | RoC_MM | 4g grey now has a battery indicator...before it wasn't working in rockbox like 3 months ago...I see progress and improvement... |
01:20:25 | Phobiac | My nano's battery life has gone done, but that's most likely because I use it a lot more since putting Rockbox on it. |
01:20:27 | RoC_MM | the stock firmware still can't play VBR mp3's. |
01:20:48 | BHSPitMonkey | when rockbox gets to playing my mp4's, I'll dive right in |
01:20:53 | RoC_MM | 5G video works for my brother with Rockbox...he runs it full-time. |
01:21:33 | Phobiac | down* |
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01:22:13 | RoC_MM | I'll definately avoid mp4's...I know those don't work underwater. |
01:22:21 | RoC_MM | All my music is either mp3 or ogg (now) |
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01:22:26 | gursikh | "fo' sho' " |
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01:46:02 | Aghaster | TRANSLATION COMPLETE. |
01:46:05 | Aghaster | :D:D:D |
01:46:12 | Aghaster | hours and hours of work later |
01:46:14 | Aghaster | lol |
01:46:31 | webguest18 | hey, if i install rockbox, am i able to multiboot between Apple OS, Disk mode and Rockbox? |
01:46:37 | Galois | yes |
01:46:41 | webguest18 | cool |
01:46:43 | webguest18 | thanks |
01:46:52 | midkay | not with a menu.. |
01:46:57 | webguest18 | hmm |
01:46:58 | midkay | but you can access all three, yes. |
01:47:26 | webguest18 | i see. Is it difficult to switch between them? |
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01:47:43 | Galois | you have to turn the thing off and back on to switch |
01:47:57 | webguest18 | oh ok |
01:47:58 | webguest18 | thanks |
01:48:01 | midkay | yes. you hold MENU just after turning it on to reach the apple OS.. |
01:48:02 | earHertz | is it me, or is installing slackware a pain in teh ass? |
01:48:13 | midkay | and select+play for disk mode. or you can just connect USB within rockbox and you'll move to disk mode automatically. |
01:48:13 | webguest18 | thank you |
01:48:16 | midkay | np |
01:48:25 | Mikachu | installing it is not as hard as keeping it up to date |
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01:49:26 | earHertz | Oh, you've got to be kidding. Debian and Ubuntu both install easily from teh cd and put my in an X-session. Slackware installs from a cd but still thinks the flopy is teh boot drive |
01:50:03 | earHertz | and I had to use fdisk, etc. |
01:50:07 | * | Galois whacks earHertz around a bit with a gentoo stage 1 install |
01:50:27 | earHertz | one thing I like about slackware is that it installs just about everything if I tell it to' |
01:51:44 | earHertz | what distro is easy to install, but also installs teh whole frigging kitchen sink too? |
01:53:57 | Aghaster | define "teh frigging kitchen sink"? |
01:54:08 | * | Aghaster loves gentoo |
01:55:03 | earHertz | Aghaster: gcc, make, cvs, subversion −− all dev tools. and samba |
01:55:58 | Aghaster | bah, you emerge them? |
01:56:05 | Aghaster | lol |
01:57:30 | earHertz | Aghaster: what, I should compile them from source? |
01:57:48 | Aghaster | gentoo compiles everything from source |
01:58:16 | earHertz | Aghaster: amd this will benefit me how much? I'm running the dasmned thing in vmware |
01:58:48 | earHertz | what about kubuntu? easy to install, kde, lots of packages on install? |
01:58:50 | Aghaster | earHertz: Removing your windows system will benefit far more |
01:59:00 | Aghaster | errr, kubuntu |
01:59:10 | Aghaster | go debian instead if you're about to do that? |
01:59:17 | earHertz | Aghaster: yeah, and I'll vote libertarian (or green party) and wonder how Bush beats Gore |
01:59:20 | Galois | ubuntu is better though |
01:59:48 | Aghaster | hum. you're speaking to someone kinda hippie, ya know |
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02:00:03 | earHertz | Aghaster: good for you. ;) |
02:00:08 | Galois | debian releases once every three years. ubuntu releases once every six months. winnar: ubuntu. |
02:00:12 | earHertz | but I'm tryig to get a result, niot remain pure. ;) |
02:00:23 | Aghaster | Galois: Simply use debian testing... |
02:00:38 | earHertz | Galois: and kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde instead of gnome? |
02:00:44 | Aghaster | yeah |
02:00:46 | Aghaster | thats it |
02:00:49 | Galois | the idea that a normal user should avoid the stable distribution is just morally wrong |
02:01:13 | Aghaster | I don't consider myself a normal user |
02:01:21 | earHertz | jesus. I've installed debian, ubuntu, not slackware. |
02:01:27 | earHertz | Fourth try is the charm? |
02:01:28 | Aghaster | try gentoo! |
02:01:43 | Galois | what in the world is wrong with redhat? |
02:01:51 | Aghaster | If you think you can't fall in love with a distro, you will change your mind after installing gentoo (as native) |
02:02:05 | Aghaster | Galois: Its a commercial distro. it uses rpm. let it die |
02:02:24 | Mikachu | distro wars on irc = not good idea |
02:02:28 | Aghaster | lol |
02:02:31 | Aegeon | gentoo is nice |
02:02:35 | Aghaster | :) |
02:02:38 | Aegeon | but the hassle isnt worth the speed enhancement |
02:02:51 | Aghaster | Bah, i don't use it full speed you know |
02:03:02 | Aghaster | i just prefer how i can easily customize it |
02:03:05 | Aegeon | yea |
02:03:17 | Aegeon | thats probably the nicest thing about it |
02:03:21 | Aghaster | yup |
02:03:29 | Aghaster | i run 32bit on my amd64 processor |
02:03:45 | Aghaster | but i run gentoo because its very easy to customize |
02:03:51 | Galois | gentoo doesn't scale. It's great for one machine. I have more than one machine. Yes you can force gentoo into this scenario but by the time you're done you've done more work than with the other alternatives. |
02:04:13 | Aghaster | Galois: Installing gentoo is an adventure in itself |
02:04:31 | Aghaster | Don't take it as a work, take it as an adventure :P |
02:04:45 | Galois | I have a machine upstairs with 10 distros installed. That machine is not used for work. |
02:05:04 | Aghaster | 10 distros? |
02:05:07 | Galois | 10 |
02:05:13 | Aghaster | why would you need _10_ distros? |
02:05:22 | Galois | Don't take it as a work, take it as an adventure :P |
02:05:26 | Aghaster | hehe |
02:05:28 | Aghaster | well said |
02:05:29 | Aghaster | :P |
02:05:49 | Galois | for work, I use redhat. You know, the $2499 per year per machine redhat. |
02:06:02 | Aghaster | meh |
02:08:13 | earHertz | ok, I just deleted that slacdkware. yes, it was an adventure, no, I'm done with it |
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02:10:57 | tgcondor | hello |
02:11:47 | Aghaster | hi |
02:11:48 | tgcondor | any ideas why rockbox would appear hanged on 'scanning disk' at boot time? |
02:12:01 | tgcondor | this is on iPod mini 2G |
02:12:25 | tgcondor | i tried looking for info on rockbox.org .. no luck |
02:13:06 | Aghaster | Anybody with CVS write access around? |
02:13:20 | Aghaster | I have my esperanto language file ready for cvs commit :) |
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02:19:22 | Aghaster | salut sinbios |
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02:21:07 | Aghaster | any dev around? |
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02:21:47 | tgcondor | argh .. trying to reboot rockbox, it went off and now my ipod wouldn't turn back on :O( |
02:22:12 | Mikachu | are you pressing MENU? |
02:22:33 | tgcondor | Mikachu: and MENU too |
02:23:12 | tgcondor | and no it's not on HOLD |
02:23:15 | Mikachu | try holding menu+select for a few seconds |
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02:23:29 | Aghaster | Mikachu: Do you have cvs write access? |
02:23:43 | Mikachu | no |
02:23:45 | Aghaster | k |
02:23:54 | Aghaster | I'm waiting for a dev to come out |
02:23:56 | tgcondor | Mikachu: thanks, that rebooted it. now back to the 'scanning disk' mode |
02:23:58 | Aghaster | i finished my esperanto translation |
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02:24:40 | orthogonal | anyone seen earHertz? |
02:24:57 | Aghaster | last time he spoke, it was 16min ago |
02:25:10 | orthogonal | where is he? Fucker owes me money |
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02:26:15 | orthogonal | god, i hadn't watched MTV in years. it really sucks, doesn't it? |
02:26:50 | ashridah | the only good thing i ever saw come out of MTV was daria |
02:27:19 | earHertz | yeah, daria was good. I rtried to date this lawyer once who was way too daria-influenced, though |
02:28:56 | tgcondor | humm .. problem fixed by opening iTunes, disabling auto-update and auto-launch iTunes, and rebooting the iPod. |
02:29:31 | earHertz | oh, is there any wat to tell itunes i don't want autorun on my cd-rom? it keeps turning it on |
02:30:03 | tgcondor | earHertz: should be in the settings .. i just disabled it for iPod |
02:30:20 | earHertz | I looked, couldn't find it. |
02:31:01 | tgcondor | earHertz: what OS? |
02:31:04 | Aghaster | ...nobody with cvs write access around? |
02:31:21 | tgcondor | Aghaster: why not just email the dev team? |
02:31:41 | Aghaster | hum, its an idea |
02:32:07 | tgcondor | Aghaster: got their email? |
02:32:20 | Aghaster | i'll rejoin the dev mailing list |
02:32:27 | tgcondor | k |
02:32:38 | earHertz | tgcondor: windows |
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02:40:55 | tgcondor | earHertz: it should be in the control panel somewhere |
02:41:14 | earHertz | thanks |
02:41:34 | earHertz | Aghaster: how do I get better looking fonts in linux? |
02:41:37 | Aghaster | uh, anybody in #ipodlinux? the people there are mean |
02:41:49 | earHertz | Aghaster: how so? |
02:41:50 | Aghaster | earHertz: in which graphical environment? |
02:41:56 | earHertz | Aghaster: kde |
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02:42:14 | Aghaster | earHertz: I've been asking there if someone made an esperanto translation, and there's that guy that began to insult me |
02:42:28 | earHertz | Aghaster: don't take it personally. |
02:42:42 | Aghaster | I know, but i still can't make sure its not translated to Esperanto |
02:42:54 | earHertz | Aghaster: I know you're into esperanto, but it's like waving a red flag a at bull. |
02:43:26 | earHertz | I mean, people just start thinking of when triuph the insult comic dofg visited teh start wars convention |
02:44:31 | Aghaster | Does anybody here runs ipodlinux? |
02:44:35 | earHertz | Aghaster: oh, ok. |
02:44:50 | earHertz | Aghaster: I don;t run it, but I've been looking at some of their code |
02:44:53 | Aghaster | or has a way to know if it has been translated to esperanto so i can make sure i'm the only one with an esperanto ipod? |
02:46:02 | Aghaster | earHertz, where would the language files be located? |
02:46:22 | earHertz | Aghaster: I'm guessing wherever linux usually puts them |
02:46:36 | Aghaster | lol, earHertz, you came in as that guy was kicked |
02:46:41 | Aghaster | :P |
02:46:46 | earHertz | yah |
02:46:51 | Aghaster | banned! |
02:46:51 | Aghaster | lol |
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02:48:42 | earHertz | ok, how do I restart X having chaged window manahgers? |
02:49:27 | JdGordon | ctrl-alt-backspace |
02:51:40 | dongs | hmm |
02:51:43 | dongs | i received a mp3. |
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02:52:32 | earHertz | JdGordon: thabnks |
02:55:04 | * | midkay needs votes: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4648.0 |
02:56:09 | midkay | haha. damn. |
02:56:17 | midkay | already like 6 people swarming the thread. :) |
02:56:24 | Aghaster | lol |
02:56:25 | Mikachu | i don't like the v2 ones |
02:56:34 | midkay | votepls ;) |
02:56:41 | Mikachu | no account |
02:56:43 | JdGordon | v3 or current.. |
02:57:15 | JdGordon | voted |
02:57:26 | midkay | thanks all :) |
02:57:52 | JdGordon | can u add some sort of level generator? coz im sick of playing the same levels :p |
02:58:07 | midkay | JdGordon, haha. |
02:58:10 | midkay | probably. |
02:58:11 | Mikachu | or loading levels from data files |
02:58:55 | XavierGr | midkay sorry man but I still prefer the CVS ones |
02:59:19 | midkay | XavierGr, np, i don't want votes for mine, i want votes for what people like. :) can i ask why/how mine could be improved? |
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03:00:04 | tgcondor | is there a known problem with rockbox and non-latin chars? |
03:00:16 | tgcondor | especially in ID3 tags? |
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03:05:35 | XavierGr | midkay I like the shiny effect on the CVS images |
03:05:57 | midkay | hm.. |
03:07:43 | ritalin | shiny is good |
03:08:06 | midkay | odd-left-to-right highlights look rather weird to me.. *shrugs* |
03:08:25 | midkay | shiny i have absolutely nothing against, in fact i like shiny.. but the CVS bitmaps' approach to shiny is not quite my style. |
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03:10:36 | XavierGr | bloody adsl |
03:12:13 | midkay | haha, |
03:12:18 | midkay | XavierGr, punishment for your vote :) |
03:12:33 | XavierGr | :) |
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03:21:01 | b00st4 | hey |
03:21:09 | b00st4 | any ipod user here? |
03:21:20 | Aghaster | yeah |
03:21:21 | Aghaster | me |
03:21:24 | * | midkay |
03:21:27 | Aghaster | 4th gen color ipod |
03:21:27 | midkay | :) |
03:21:41 | Aghaster | anybody with cvs write access around? |
03:22:05 | midkay | me.. |
03:22:09 | Aghaster | :D |
03:22:20 | Aghaster | I finished my esperanto translation |
03:22:23 | Aghaster | can you commit it for me? |
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03:23:02 | midkay | welcome back :) |
03:23:07 | Aghaster | meh, xchat crashed |
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03:23:18 | sharpe | i think it crashed again! |
03:23:19 | b00st4 | hey |
03:23:22 | midkay | haha. |
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03:23:30 | Aghaster | >:( |
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03:23:36 | Aghaster | crashes everytime i want to send a file |
03:23:38 | midkay | why, Aghaster? |
03:23:42 | midkay | email maybe? |
03:23:42 | Aghaster | do you have an email? |
03:23:43 | sharpe | why not just email/ |
03:23:45 | b00st4 | im wonderin if theres any possibility to get itrip workin now |
03:23:49 | midkay | this nick at gmail.. |
03:23:53 | Aghaster | ok |
03:24:01 | midkay | Aghaster, so it's tested+working fine? |
03:24:04 | Aghaster | yes |
03:24:09 | midkay | cool. :) |
03:24:10 | b00st4 | 5g |
03:24:10 | Aghaster | currently running on my ipod |
03:24:19 | midkay | are you already credited? |
03:24:20 | Aghaster | i did the update to make sure it was up to date toio |
03:24:28 | Aghaster | credited? |
03:24:31 | erich | What effect does album art have for power usage? Does album art require additional spinups, or just decrease the buffer size? |
03:24:36 | midkay | yes, contributors are put in the credits.. |
03:24:41 | Aghaster | no, i'm not |
03:24:45 | Aghaster | can you add me ? :P |
03:24:54 | midkay | yes, i'm sorta required to :) need a full name |
03:25:02 | Aghaster | Marc-André Moreau |
03:25:06 | b00st4 | now one got any experiances wir itrip? |
03:25:17 | midkay | cool, k.. |
03:25:22 | Aghaster | (the letter at the end of my first name is an e with an accent...) |
03:25:28 | midkay | i see it :) |
03:25:30 | Aghaster | good |
03:25:57 | Aghaster | do you need both .lang and .lng files? |
03:26:16 | Aghaster | i guess so |
03:26:23 | midkay | just .lang |
03:26:57 | Aghaster | ok |
03:27:11 | b00st4 | hey, no one can help me? |
03:27:16 | Aghaster | sent |
03:27:18 | Aghaster | :D |
03:27:32 | Aghaster | You know what? This makes me the one with the first ipod in Esperanto in the world |
03:27:33 | b00st4 | dont wanna degrade to apple firmaware again... |
03:27:33 | Aghaster | lol |
03:27:49 | Aghaster | b00st4: just ask, what's your problem? |
03:28:05 | b00st4 | [03:40] <b00st4> im wonderin if theres any possibility to get itrip workin now |
03:28:13 | midkay | ooh, and you even included a "FREE pop up blocking with the new MSN toolbar" offer! how generous, thx! :D |
03:28:45 | Mikachu | a strange function to offer with a toolbar... |
03:29:35 | Aghaster | lolll.... |
03:29:39 | b00st4 | midkay |
03:29:41 | Aghaster | sorry, i use hotmail |
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03:29:51 | b00st4 | u know whats goin on wit itrip? |
03:30:28 | midkay | b00st4, hm? no, nothing really.. |
03:30:33 | midkay | Aghaster, just kidding :) |
03:30:39 | Aghaster | hehe |
03:30:55 | midkay | let's see if i can remember this now. :) |
03:31:01 | Aghaster | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4611.0 O_O WOW. i gotta try this right awat |
03:31:05 | Aghaster | away* |
03:31:22 | b00st4 | damn |
03:31:52 | b00st4 | im goin to holidays tomorrow, need itrip, is there noone who can help me??ß |
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03:34:27 | midkay | Aghaster, k, it's in cvs (i hope, if i did that cvs add right) :) |
03:35:03 | Aghaster | how long does it take before it appears on rockbox.org cvs activity? |
03:35:23 | midkay | just maybe 10 minutes.. |
03:35:30 | Aghaster | okay |
03:35:47 | Mikachu | Aghaster: when the build is complete (http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml) |
03:35:56 | midkay | you can see it on the CVS builds page right away (the currently-building one) |
03:36:16 | midkay | Mikachu, i've found that it only appears on the front page a few minutes after the build finishes.. |
03:36:21 | midkay | could be wrong, though. |
03:36:36 | * | Aghaster frenetically presses refresh |
03:36:45 | midkay | haha. |
03:37:21 | Mikachu | think of their poor 2mbit connection |
03:37:48 | Aghaster | lol |
03:39:02 | Aghaster | :( that incredible wad file doesn't work on my ipod |
03:39:19 | Aghaster | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4611.0 |
03:40:37 | midkay | hm. |
03:40:56 | Aghaster | :'( it looked so awesome |
03:42:10 | midkay | i'll try it.. |
03:42:25 | Aghaster | i'm on a 4th gen color ipod |
03:42:34 | * | midkay has a 5G |
03:42:39 | Aghaster | maybe it was designed for 5G? |
03:44:13 | Aghaster | hum... while it loads, there is a warning |
03:44:17 | midkay | it's running on a nano in the picture and the video.. |
03:44:19 | Aghaster | it says it cannot file with the shareware |
03:44:28 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm...It works for my H340... |
03:44:33 | midkay | maybe you need to run it with doom.wad instead of the shareware wad. |
03:44:44 | Aghaster | hum. do you know where i can find it? |
03:44:55 | Aghaster | I'm about to die in front of such a hot feature XD |
03:45:15 | Aghaster | "hey guys look at my ipod that runs CS 1.6..." |
03:45:22 | Mikachu | maybe it works with that freedoom wad |
03:45:23 | midkay | haha. |
03:45:42 | Aghaster | woot, my translation appears in the cvs :P |
03:47:19 | midkay | yay. :) |
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03:48:17 | Aghaster | hehe |
03:48:31 | Aghaster | Now i'll take pictures of my ipod and write an article about it XD |
03:48:40 | Aghaster | "unua ipodo en esperanto en la tuta mondo" |
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03:49:42 | midkay | :) |
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03:52:18 | XavierGr | http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/liger.asp |
03:52:21 | XavierGr | :X |
03:53:06 | Aghaster | btw, CS works with freedoom |
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04:19:51 | b00st4 | hey, doom already works on ipod 5g? |
04:20:25 | MirrorImage | Not on mine. |
04:21:27 | b00st4 | hm |
04:23:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should work, I believe |
04:24:21 | MirrorImage | I get some error message. |
04:24:29 | MirrorImage | I could fix it, but I am too tired tonight |
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04:25:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, so your "It doesn't work on mine" was rather misleading. Is it "No base wads found" or something like that? |
04:25:54 | MirrorImage | Yeah. |
04:26:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, you didn't read the instructions for it then, is all. |
04:26:24 | MirrorImage | Well. I'm still to tired to fix it :P |
04:26:39 | b00st4 | any link paul? |
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04:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
04:26:56 | b00st4 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4611.0 got that |
04:26:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Every plugin has a PluginBlah page in the wiki |
04:27:29 | JdGordon | .. well they should.. some dont have wiki docs |
04:28:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are official plugins lacking them? |
04:28:58 | JdGordon | ye, a fair few |
04:29:07 | JdGordon | the ones with the /!\ logo |
04:30:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Didn't the dictionary used to have one? |
04:31:05 | JdGordon | no idea |
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04:31:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I know there are instructions for setting it up somewhere |
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04:41:18 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd? |
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04:53:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yes? |
04:53:33 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, you suggested in the bitmaps poll-thread that the vote be changed. i can't do that. can you? |
04:53:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I changed it so that users can change their own vote. |
04:54:05 | midkay | oh. thanks. |
04:54:29 | sharpe | i'm bored... |
04:54:30 | * | midkay sighs with semi-frustration over the whole situation |
04:54:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
04:54:42 | sharpe | i'm writing a pike script with a gui to install rockbox on ipods... |
04:55:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just had to use IE. To download and install Microsoft Visual Studio 6. Because a class requires assignments be turned in as projects for that beast. |
04:55:13 | sharpe | because, god knows we don't have enough installers. :D |
04:55:29 | midkay | haha. |
04:55:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, we need one definitive installer. |
04:55:45 | sharpe | would a script be okay? :) |
04:56:13 | sharpe | er, pike. |
04:57:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | I dunno what pike is. |
04:57:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I liked the lighter ones too. They looked much cleaner to me |
04:57:49 | sharpe | scripting-like language with c syntax; available on windows, linux, etc. |
04:57:50 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, they were my faves, yeah.. sigh.. i just .. :\ |
04:57:54 | midkay | slightly frustrating. |
04:58:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Being scripting, does it require people to have an interpreter, or does it create standalone thingies? |
04:58:34 | sharpe | nay, it requires an interpreter, i must confess. |
04:58:38 | midkay | i don't wanna commit something that some or many people won't really like. unfortunately the lighter ones have the fewest votes on the second poll. |
04:58:48 | sharpe | i like the lighter ones... |
04:58:56 | midkay | i could simply take the bitmaps from the second poll, give them an in-betweenish brightness, and commit those. |
04:59:17 | sharpe | what about an option to switch between the two? :D |
04:59:25 | midkay | e.g. slightly lighter than [exactly in-between the light and dark versions] |
04:59:25 | midkay | haha. |
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05:01:43 | sharpe | so paul, would that be a negative on the pike script, as it wouldn't be standalone? |
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05:04:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | It wouldn't be likely to get picked |
05:04:59 | sharpe | indeed, i'm just bored. :) |
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05:14:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | And now due to poorly designed installers, I will not be able to do my homework. |
05:14:27 | sharpe | what about using gtk+ for the ui? |
05:16:17 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
05:16:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not really my call anyway. I just know ideally you should be able to download the installer, run it without any prerequisites, and have Rockbox on your iPod |
05:17:12 | sharpe | yeh... |
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05:18:02 | sharpe | i had thought about c#, and that gnu has a c# compiler... |
05:24:16 | sharpe | but, |
05:24:18 | sharpe | gah. |
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06:00:04 | sharpe | eh... |
06:00:12 | scorche` | sharpe! |
06:00:19 | scorche` | long time no see |
06:00:20 | sharpe | hey scorche |
06:00:55 | shrimants | would anyone care to help me? i cant get rockbox to play anything |
06:01:30 | sharpe | so, is that the only problem? |
06:01:36 | shrimants | yes, pretty much |
06:01:46 | sharpe | has rockbox ever played? |
06:01:48 | shrimants | i used an automatic windows installer |
06:01:50 | shrimants | no |
06:02:01 | shrimants | and then i put on the updated CVS build |
06:02:05 | scorche` | by not playing, do you mean no sound coming out, or not doing anything |
06:02:11 | shrimants | not doing anything |
06:02:16 | sharpe | well. |
06:02:19 | shrimants | i got ipod video |
06:02:21 | sharpe | do you get an error message? |
06:02:23 | shrimants | and windows |
06:02:26 | shrimants | no |
06:02:28 | shrimants | it doesnt detect anything |
06:02:33 | shrimants | correct me if im wrong |
06:02:35 | sharpe | so the bootloader just hangs? |
06:02:56 | shrimants | no, i installed Loader2, installed rockbox, started it up just fine |
06:02:56 | tgcondor | shrimants: what do you see, what do you press, and what happens when you press it? |
06:03:09 | sharpe | wait, so rockbox starts fine? |
06:03:19 | shrimants | yes, it works perfectly |
06:03:31 | shrimants | other than the playing music/ finding it part |
06:03:44 | shrimants | after i get it running, i ran the tagcache update |
06:03:53 | shrimants | and it ran for about 4-5 minutes, and then stopped |
06:04:10 | shrimants | and after that, im either confused on what to do, or it just didnt do what it was supposed to |
06:04:14 | sharpe | reboot |
06:04:15 | shrimants | the manual wasnt all that clear |
06:04:19 | shrimants | ok |
06:04:22 | shrimants | will try that |
06:04:29 | sharpe | and then, you'll probably get a codec error |
06:04:34 | shrimants | im using mp3 |
06:04:35 | sharpe | then you'll have to reboot it again |
06:04:43 | shrimants | ok |
06:04:45 | sharpe | it's a known issue |
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06:05:02 | shrimants | and do u recommend the normal bootloader or Loader2? |
06:05:35 | sharpe | i don't use ipodlinux, so i can't really give advice to the ipl bootloader. |
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06:06:12 | sharpe | but you should be fine using loader2. |
06:06:16 | shrimants | ok |
06:07:29 | sharpe | ugh, i'm going to head to sleep. goodnight everyone. |
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06:12:02 | Myk3 | hello |
06:12:17 | Myk3 | can someone explain what are the added features of useing rockbox? |
06:12:45 | midkay | no, but you can check the "why choose rockbox" link on the front page.. |
06:12:52 | midkay | or read the manual.. or check the wiki.. |
06:14:01 | Myk3 | will i still be able to watch vids on a iaudio? |
06:14:13 | lancelott | if you dualboot |
06:14:32 | lancelott | theres a dualboot fw where you can boot rockbox w/ a short on and official with a long on |
06:14:49 | Myk3 | o ok |
06:17:14 | Presence | anyone do "Defcon" in las vegas? |
06:18:08 | * | scorche` raises his hand |
06:18:32 | scorche` | midkay: 99 > 100 |
06:18:48 | midkay | hm? |
06:18:57 | scorche` | i spent days on 99 |
06:19:02 | scorche` | 100 i got first try |
06:19:07 | midkay | oh. |
06:19:10 | midkay | um. hm. |
06:19:13 | midkay | no. |
06:19:13 | midkay | :) |
06:19:20 | scorche` | yes. |
06:19:22 | scorche` | :) |
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07:46:54 | RancidLM | hey all, if some ones around can i have some support with getting rockbox installed on my nano plz |
07:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | What problem are you having? |
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07:49:05 | RancidLM | installing it via linux and some general questions.. |
07:50:00 | RancidLM | if i have my ipod mounted can i make a backup like cat /dev/sda > ~ipod.img so i don't brick my ipod? |
07:50:28 | RancidLM | i wanna try rockbox but i really don't wanna turn the nano into a paperweight :S |
07:50:38 | Ribs | RancidLM: You won't brick your ipod... the apple firmware always remains and can't be removed |
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07:51:02 | Ribs | RancidLM: the worst case is that you'll delete everything, and the ipod will start again as if it was first use. |
07:51:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: The dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin is all the backup you need if you don't mind copying over the music again |
07:51:11 | RancidLM | even if the partitions get corrupt? or something? |
07:51:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have 1/2/4gigs of space and feel like doing a full backup, of course the idea you suggested will work, but it's not really necessary. |
07:51:58 | RancidLM | ok also i heard a little rumor.. on the rockbox forum about some one who fried his ipod on a post made today.. any one else read it? |
07:52:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you referring to the person with the Ipod Mini 2G? |
07:52:32 | RancidLM | Paul_The_Nerd: ya.. i don't mind the space..ill make a backup dvd for my ipod ..lol |
07:52:47 | RancidLM | Paul_The_Nerd: ya i think he fried it charging it? |
07:52:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | The person with the Mini 2G had modified his Retail Firmware to go into deep sleep after 15 minutes |
07:53:05 | RancidLM | oooh ok so thats not a rockbox option |
07:53:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, when it finished charging, it shut down. Detected inserted power. Tried to boot into Rockbox. Rockbox goes into Apple's Disk Mode when power is connected. Apple's Disk mode detects that it's not a USB connection, and shuts down. It boots up. Goes into Rockbox. So on. |
07:54:42 | RancidLM | ok.. so since i only use a usb charger i shouldn't have this problem.. correct? |
07:54:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is only possible if you have the wall charger for the iPod. |
07:55:01 | RancidLM | aight.. duely noted :) |
07:55:49 | RancidLM | sooo ok im making a backup... when im done im gonna install it..if thiers any one around to help with the linux installation process :) |
07:56:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | And his only happened because he was using a modified Apple Firmware too, something Rockbox isn't really set up to deal with the possibility of. It's still in an early enough stage of development that it's still in the "Making things work right" stage. :) Though don't let that discourage you, I use it exclusively on my Nano. |
07:56:22 | Ribs | aye |
07:56:29 | * | Ribs only uses Rockbox on his 5G video |
07:56:31 | * | ritalin is high |
07:57:01 | ritalin | :D |
07:57:03 | RancidLM | groovie how about putting tunes on it, i couldn't find on the site if u still use the itunes database or if you just copy the music over like a flash drive |
07:57:14 | ritalin | Ribs: any work being done on video support? |
07:57:14 | RancidLM | im putting mine on a 2gb nano |
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07:57:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: You can use iTunes if you really REALLY want. But you can also now just use it as a flash drive, like I do. |
07:57:35 | Ribs | ritalin: not that I'm aware of |
07:57:46 | Ribs | not that I care... video on ipod is a waste of time |
07:58:13 | ritalin | its kinda neat for the novelty sake |
07:58:39 | Ribs | either way, I won't be using it |
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08:00:06 | Xinux | im putting rockbox on my ipod shuffle!!!1 |
08:00:16 | moda|ASOT | rofl |
08:00:18 | RancidLM | Paul_The_Nerd: ok cool how about.. Both? lol |
08:00:27 | RancidLM | Xinux: lol |
08:00:32 | Xinux | =) |
08:02:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: Well, iTunes does that silly "renaming files to stuff like XFGN" thing, so you can't really browse them in filetree view |
08:02:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you can use TagCache to index all your music, independently of how you put it on there |
08:03:42 | moda|ASOT | is tagcache still laggy as shit on ipods too? |
08:04:19 | RancidLM | i got a interesting idea.. have a way to enable itunes DB and igore the itunes dir and use file explorer :D |
08:04:33 | Xinux | why does ipod rename it |
08:04:41 | Xinux | makes no sense |
08:04:45 | moda|ASOT | coz apple are cookoo |
08:04:53 | moda|ASOT | for lack of a better word |
08:04:57 | RancidLM | so u can brows itunes play lists and copy tunes and go |
08:05:17 | Xinux | or so they scare away noobies from just using explorer to copy music in |
08:05:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|ASOT: Laggy in what way? |
08:05:57 | moda|ASOT | Paul_The_Nerd: on my h300 it would lag like shit browsing with tagcache, music would stop halfway thru, etc etc etc |
08:06:11 | moda|ASOT | and i couldnt fast forward or rb would crash |
08:06:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hmm |
08:06:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Were you using one of the Optimized or Experimental builds? |
08:06:38 | moda|ASOT | experimental yea |
08:06:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would do it |
08:06:58 | moda|ASOT | meh |
08:07:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be nice for you to actually verify your problems exist on an OFFICIAL build before complaining about them |
08:07:15 | moda|ASOT | yea, Paul_The_Nerd, but thats long ago... |
08:07:36 | moda|ASOT | if i decide to get an ipod 5g, i can decide whether to run rb or not.... hrm |
08:07:40 | RancidLM | ok my backup is complete.. now to install rockbox some how :D |
08:07:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|ASOT: See, the thing is, it was NEVER "laggy as shit" as you so described it, in the official builds |
08:08:07 | moda|ASOT | fair enought Paul_The_Nerd |
08:08:15 | Slasheri | moda|ASOT: you can enable dircache and load tagcache to ram if you don't want it to lag at all |
08:08:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
08:08:54 | RancidLM | i can't seem to compile the .c file is thier any dependancy's? |
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08:09:25 | Slasheri | RancidLM: hmm, what did you try to compile? |
08:09:33 | djpirate | qut |
08:09:38 | Slasheri | hmm |
08:09:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: For ipod_fw? There shouldn't be any I believe. |
08:09:46 | djpirate | qut |
08:09:49 | Xinux | ipod shuffle is such a waste |
08:09:58 | Xinux | you can get an mp3 player with a screen, and more storage for less money |
08:10:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Xinux: Same is true of the Nano |
08:10:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can get one that plays video, with the same storage, for less money |
08:10:37 | Xinux | nano has a screen, and is flash storage. |
08:10:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
08:10:51 | Xinux | of course |
08:10:54 | Xinux | i dont have the nano |
08:10:55 | Xinux | lmao |
08:10:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you can get a flash based player that plays video, has a nice color screen, and costs $20 less |
08:11:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same capacity |
08:11:08 | RancidLM | is it ok to use gcc-3.4 ? |
08:11:12 | Xinux | 30gb ? |
08:11:13 | Xinux | flash ? |
08:11:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Xinux: The nano isn't available in 30gb |
08:11:21 | lancelott | RancidLM: yeah |
08:11:25 | Xinux | lmao. |
08:11:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Xinux: I said the same capacity as a Nano. |
08:11:42 | Xinux | oh |
08:11:46 | Xinux | i have ipod vid |
08:12:22 | djpirate | I don't got time to fuck around. |
08:12:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Xinux: The video drives me nuts, because they don't offer a model without video at that capacity |
08:12:45 | lancelott | I kind of wish I got an ipod video |
08:12:48 | Xinux | meh. |
08:12:49 | lancelott | I have an iaudio x5 |
08:12:51 | lancelott | bought it for flac/ogg |
08:12:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Meh? |
08:12:59 | Xinux | meh. |
08:13:00 | Xinux | O.o |
08:13:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'd be nice to have the option to not pay for a feature I won't ever use. |
08:13:10 | Xinux | i use it. |
08:13:10 | Xinux | so |
08:13:13 | Xinux | =\ |
08:13:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | The video is pretty crappy on it, so it's just not worth the extra money |
08:13:31 | Xinux | crappy? |
08:13:33 | Xinux | wtf?! |
08:13:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes |
08:13:41 | Xinux | must have been a crappy video |
08:13:44 | Xinux | i get very good quality |
08:13:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Good compared to what? |
08:14:00 | Xinux | ummm |
08:14:05 | Xinux | it looks like it does on the tv......... |
08:14:06 | moda|ASOT | is there anyway to get ogg for ipod 5g? |
08:14:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Xinux: Your TV has compression artifacts? |
08:14:23 | RancidLM | is dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin the same as cat /dev/sda > backup.img ? |
08:14:23 | djpirate | You make me sick faggot, get lost |
08:14:34 | Xinux | ........... lmao |
08:14:36 | Xinux | no |
08:14:46 | Xinux | but im saying, for how small it is, its pretty good |
08:14:53 | Xinux | i dont care about perfect quality |
08:15:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I have to spend money on it, it should do what it does well. |
08:15:35 | Xinux | and it does........... |
08:15:39 | Xinux | well |
08:15:41 | Xinux | not perfect. |
08:15:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I want a portable video player, I'll buy something that was engineered for that purpose, rather than something it was tacked onto so they could pretend like they're innovating. |
08:16:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: Did you miss the "count=1" part? |
08:16:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | moda|ASOT: You mean, other than Rockboxing it? |
08:17:11 | moda|ASOT | Paul_The_Nerd: oh right... rockbox supports ogg.... *slaps head* |
08:17:40 | RancidLM | Paul_The_Nerd: no i just did it.. im just backing up every single thing..lol |
08:18:10 | djpirate | that's not funny |
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08:18:18 | djpirate | good riddance |
08:18:51 | Xinux | iiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrcccccccccccccc |
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08:19:23 | RancidLM | Ok so iv done all the backing up *gulp* i guess here gues nothing |
08:20:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's really quite safe. |
08:20:12 | RancidLM | ok wait .. step 3 kinda confused |
08:20:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | What part of it? |
08:21:15 | RancidLM | ... i got the bootloader-nano.bin |
08:21:26 | RancidLM | its just installing the boot loader and the rest.. i think |
08:23:42 | RancidLM | :~/Desktop$ ./ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin |
08:23:42 | RancidLM | Cannot open firmware image file apple_os.bin |
08:23:50 | RancidLM | i just got that error :S |
08:24:02 | RancidLM | i guess its because i don't got apple_os.bin |
08:24:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you skipped a step |
08:24:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Specifically: Extract the Apple firmware from the bootpartition.bin using the ipod_fw utility that you built above: ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin |
08:32:08 | RancidLM | ok.. so it did something and now im left with a ipod that won't turn on :( |
08:32:48 | RancidLM | ok |
08:32:49 | RancidLM | im in |
08:32:54 | RancidLM | i just rebooted it |
08:35:14 | RancidLM | ok |
08:35:37 | RancidLM | sooo.. i installed it .. but it has nothing in play lists.. will it read my itunes? |
08:36:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | It won't read your iTunes playlists. |
08:36:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It should right now just show you the contents of your disk (or at least "supported" files) |
08:36:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you have itunes synced music, you can access the songs more easily using this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache |
08:37:00 | RancidLM | oh i thought i can read it :( |
08:37:41 | djpirate | I don't got time to fuck around. |
08:38:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The playlists? |
08:38:07 | RancidLM | ok i got it to make a playlist from the database |
08:38:08 | RancidLM | :) |
08:38:21 | RancidLM | now to find a way to install the fancy themes from the site :) |
08:38:24 | RancidLM | onto the nano |
08:38:27 | djpirate | RancidLM say: fagmode on |
08:39:21 | midkay | sigh.. |
08:39:27 | RancidLM | :S |
08:39:43 | djpirate | what's wrong midgay? |
08:39:56 | djpirate | you can tell me |
08:40:01 | midkay | nothing, it was a sigh of happiness. |
08:40:25 | djpirate | then shut up |
08:40:31 | scorche` | ... |
08:40:37 | midkay | good one, only took you like half a minute.. |
08:40:46 | djpirate | [02:40] <midkay> nothing, it was a sigh of happiness. |
08:40:46 | djpirate | [02:40] <djpirate> then shut up |
08:40:48 | djpirate | learn to count |
08:41:02 | midkay | that's not funny |
08:41:06 | scorche` | djpirate: learn to h:m:s |
08:41:09 | djpirate | thou art headed for a very tragic end' |
08:41:36 | midkay | good riddance. |
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08:42:09 | djpirate | Awaken my biniling, and embrace the fgt that is your birthright. Know that I am djpirate; the eternal will of the LoL!!~, and that you have been created to serve me. |
08:42:40 | midkay | did you just call yourself an fgt? |
08:42:52 | Digital_Coma | fagmode on |
08:43:13 | djpirate | AND BOTHER ME NO MORE WITH YOUR PITIFUL WORTHLESS ATTEMPTS OF DUCK ON A GOOSE LIEING ON AND ABOUT YET LOOSE |
08:43:32 | scorche` | *lying |
08:43:33 | djpirate | AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR EYES |
08:43:38 | midkay | this is pretty impressive. quite scary. |
08:43:41 | djpirate | Where's the rnd ign irr? |
08:43:52 | midkay | i expect we're going to be hacked in several seconds. my heart is pounding. |
08:43:53 | djpirate | AND LISTEN TO ME ASWELL |
08:44:13 | djpirate | youre the one hacking retard |
08:44:29 | * | midkay nods slowly |
08:44:33 | djpirate | WELL GUESS WHAT LADDIE..YOU SHOULD BE |
08:44:47 | scorche` | CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! |
08:44:53 | djpirate | stop sticking to me like a chewing gum |
08:44:56 | midkay | haha. cruise control. |
08:45:13 | djpirate | SUFFERING AND PAIN SHALL YOU WITNESS FOR THE END OF DAYS IS YET TO COME |
08:45:33 | djpirate | LEAVE THE DAMN AMERICANS ALONE |
08:45:33 | midkay | djpirate, nice simile.. i think "leech" would work better though. "a chewing gum" doesn't actually really make sense. |
08:45:36 | djpirate | NOW ITS MY TURN |
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08:45:39 | djpirate | I detect a sndngr |
08:45:53 | djpirate | and stop spamming aswell |
08:46:03 | Digital_Coma | fagmode off |
08:46:07 | midkay | haha. |
08:46:20 | midkay | this is all actually surprisingly amusing. |
08:46:22 | midkay | :p |
08:46:35 | Digital_Coma | how surprising |
08:46:43 | midkay | it really is. |
08:46:50 | lilo | I'll need some help sorting problems |
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08:47:00 | djpirate | fuck, it's that one fag, what's his face |
08:47:32 | midkay | lilo, hm? |
08:47:36 | lilo | hmmm |
08:47:44 | djpirate | qut |
08:47:47 | lilo | okay, that's helping |
08:47:50 | midkay | Digital_Coma and djpirate are the same guy, or at least both spamming at the same time.. |
08:47:50 | djpirate | Another Victory for BS Inc. |
08:47:52 | djpirate | WELL GUESS WHAT LADDIE..YOU SHOULD BE |
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08:48:14 | Ribs | yep, same ip |
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08:48:45 | scorche` | fun fun |
08:48:48 | * | lilo nods |
08:48:55 | midkay | thanks :) |
08:49:00 | RancidLM | thnx Lilo :) |
08:49:06 | * | scorche` waves farewell to grub |
08:49:11 | scorche` | errrrrr....*lilo |
08:49:20 | Ribs | haha |
08:49:30 | * | Ribs ponders why people like that always 'grace' this channel |
08:49:36 | Ribs | this channel needs more ops really |
08:49:53 | scorche` | Ribs: it hasnt been the first time someone has suggested that |
08:50:11 | lilo | fascinating |
08:50:24 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd simply needs to be added to the op list. :) |
08:50:28 | Ribs | it's like, once a week I see something stupid going on here |
08:50:49 | lilo | I will note that my /away message generally includes a pager email address |
08:51:05 | scorche` | i have been on vacation too long... |
08:51:09 | scorche` | i should return |
08:51:19 | scorche` | and actually have spare time to do some developing |
08:51:44 | Ribs | yeah, lostlogic has that problem atm as well |
08:51:59 | Ribs | I even offered to swap homes with him or something, so the 'summer activities' didn't affect his work |
08:52:07 | Ribs | as the 'summer' here is pretty crap ;) |
08:52:15 | Ribs | strangely enough, my offer was declined. |
08:52:15 | scorche` | womenz |
08:52:21 | scorche` | all that is needed |
08:52:32 | scorche` | note the z |
08:52:39 | Ribs | haha |
08:52:39 | scorche` | it makes whatever i say "cool" |
08:52:45 | Ribs | yeah dudz |
08:52:50 | scorche` | hawt |
08:52:56 | Ribs | duuuude |
08:53:19 | scorche` | that is enough...lost enough brain cells for one night |
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09:06:42 | RancidLM | how do i go back to my nano firmware? |
09:06:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you mean "uninstall" or "Boot up in the retail firmware"? |
09:07:12 | RancidLM | boot up plz |
09:07:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, shut down the player by holding Play/Pause |
09:07:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then press and hold Menu until it says "Loading Original Firmware..." |
09:10:11 | midkay | more specifically, press menu, release it, and then press+hold it again very soon after releasing (before the apple logo shows up). |
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09:14:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I've confirmed that you can actually just hold menu in most cases. |
09:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least, I can. |
09:15:10 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, hm. i've tried it several times and it never worked. |
09:15:27 | midkay | i've heard that scrollwheel input (finger movement) can affect it though. |
09:15:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
09:15:49 | midkay | ah, holding menu worked that time.. |
09:15:55 | RancidLM | rockbox is nice but the fonts are messed on the latest build |
09:16:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have a skin that has a rim around the wheel, so I can press on it without risking any scroll events. |
09:16:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: How so? |
09:16:27 | midkay | ah, maybe just holding it works as long as you're very careful not to move your finger a millimeter. :) |
09:17:02 | midkay | good to know, thx. |
09:17:42 | RancidLM | i just downloaded the nano clone.. and the text is all over the place due to fonts |
09:18:00 | midkay | 'due to fonts'? can you be more specific? |
09:18:14 | midkay | garbled? odd size?.. |
09:18:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: Are you referring to a theme? Does it perhaps require patches? |
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09:19:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, did you install the fonts archive, as the normal rockbox.zip doesn't include all the fonts |
09:20:34 | * | midkay is headed to bed. nite all.. |
09:20:43 | scorche` | same |
09:20:57 | RancidLM | where are the fonts located? |
09:21:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the fonts download at the daily build page |
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09:25:35 | RancidLM | ok that worked :) |
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10:19:19 | JdGordon | hey all |
10:23:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hola |
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11:28:43 | tucoz | bluebrother, hi. Are you here? |
11:30:21 | bluebrother | yup |
11:31:12 | bluebrother | I'm mostly "finished" with the credits stuff but now i have a dependency to iconv :-/ |
11:31:36 | tucoz | cool. |
11:32:17 | bluebrother | just read your comment to the image size task |
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11:32:34 | bluebrother | why don't we use jpg for such kind of images? |
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11:32:52 | tucoz | ah. good. |
11:33:04 | tucoz | hmm. Will that look good enough? |
11:33:39 | bluebrother | I tried converting the front page image to jpg. Gives about 500 kiB and I can only note a difference at 800% magnification ... |
11:34:07 | bluebrother | so I guess this should work similarly for the -front images. |
11:34:08 | tucoz | the front page should be some kind of vector format imo |
11:34:36 | bluebrother | would be better, sure. |
11:34:52 | bluebrother | but what vector format is understood by latex? |
11:35:16 | bluebrother | and we would need to have the logo in some vector file format ... |
11:35:24 | tucoz | Sure. I'll try and reduce the size of the h300 image to jpg then. But, it would be even cooler if we succeded in having the size reduction handled by pdflatex |
11:35:42 | * | bluebrother seconds that. |
11:36:01 | bluebrother | IIRC I used convert -quality .75 on my try. |
11:36:08 | tucoz | I know. Which it isn't. Come to think of it. I am not sure pdflatex handles vector graphics at all. |
11:36:58 | bluebrother | the only "nice" solution in terms of latex would be an xfig image and exporting to pstricks. |
11:37:13 | bluebrother | or maybe exporting to pdf −− pdflatex can use this as image format. |
11:38:53 | bluebrother | but, when using pdf we could use programs that can't export pstricks. |
11:38:58 | * | bluebrother thinks of inkscape |
11:39:19 | * | tucoz doesn't have the slightest clue what pstricks is |
11:40:14 | tucoz | hmm. The frontpage blew up in size when converting to jpg |
11:40:19 | bluebrother | nasty latex code that draws the image with latex itself. |
11:40:38 | tucoz | oh. that. :D |
11:40:40 | bluebrother | you need to specify the quality. Had this behaviour in the first place too. |
11:41:02 | tucoz | I did: convert -quality .75 rockbox3540.png rockbox3540.jpg |
11:41:30 | bluebrother | my resulting jpg has 258229 bytes |
11:41:32 | tucoz | -rw-r−−r−− 1 martin martin 837689 2006-06-05 11:39 rockbox3540.jpg |
11:41:35 | tucoz | -rw-r−−r−− 1 martin martin 770727 2006-02-06 08:25 rockbox3540.png |
11:42:20 | bluebrother | then I must have used a different quality setting then. |
11:43:37 | tucoz | I get the same size regardless of the quality setting |
11:44:02 | bluebrother | aaah. |
11:44:09 | bluebrother | convert uses percent values ;-) |
11:44:13 | tucoz | hehe |
11:44:30 | bluebrother | -quality .75 gave me your (big) filesize, -quality 75 worked as expected. |
11:44:37 | tucoz | yes |
11:45:23 | tucoz | maybe we should just replace the huge png's with jpegs for now. And keep the png's in cvs, for future use |
11:45:56 | bluebrother | that was my idea. Maybe we'll find a good vector-way in the nearby future. |
11:46:12 | tucoz | yes. Or success in the pdflatex scaling department |
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11:47:07 | tucoz | the h300 front is 113K now |
11:47:15 | tucoz | instead of 1004K |
11:47:18 | tucoz | afk |
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11:59:05 | tucoz | And it also looks like I removed rockblox from the manual, although it is being built for the archoses. Do we need two tetris-clones in rockbox? |
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12:04:08 | bluebrother | I wouldn't say so. Is tetrox working on the archoses? |
12:04:48 | bluebrother | I think I'll commit my credits stuff. A added dependency to iconv should be ok, shouldn't it? |
12:06:00 | tucoz | I guess |
12:09:23 | bluebrother | tucoz, committed. I hope this doesn't break anything. |
12:09:24 | tucoz | there are some artifacts from the conversion, but I think the size reduction is worth it anyway. At least for now |
12:10:31 | tucoz | nice :) |
12:10:52 | tucoz | do you think I should commit the jpg h300-front? |
12:11:11 | bluebrother | hope you like my credits style ;-) |
12:11:54 | bluebrother | I took a deeper look to the ondio front image, looks like it was converted from jpg ... I'd vote yes. |
12:12:02 | bluebrother | (for commiting) |
12:12:04 | tucoz | hehe |
12:12:32 | tucoz | I see. Well, then I do it. We can always change it later on |
12:12:45 | bluebrother | I think most (95%+) users will read the manual on screen, so it won't hurt having a bit lower quality for printing for now. |
12:13:13 | bluebrother | that was my thought. Make it usable now and better printable later ;-) |
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12:13:48 | bluebrother | at least a 1MiB manual is always nicer for new users than a 3MiB one. |
12:13:50 | tucoz | I agree |
12:16:46 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: whats happening with your forum rearaging idea? |
12:17:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Nothing until I get more feedback from people |
12:18:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I want to make sure there aren't any major objections, and linuxstb was right when he said there needed to be someplace for hardware-specific questions, like installation help |
12:18:34 | JdGordon | ok |
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12:18:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm going to wait until Wed, then post a link to my proposal in the general discussion forum, and see what the actual forum-goers think of it. |
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12:19:27 | JdGordon | ok |
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12:20:49 | tucoz | bluebrother, I like the credits. Really good looking |
12:21:43 | linuxstb | Paul_The_Nerd: Sorry I haven't had a chance to post my comments about the forums yet - I will do though. |
12:22:17 | bluebrother | thanks. |
12:22:48 | tucoz | the manual is really starting to look good |
12:23:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: No hurry. I want to make sure this gets done right, so it's better to take a while discussing it beforehand, and to take as much time thinking about it as needed. |
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13:30:06 | tucoz | bluebrother, do you think it's ok if I split the ondios to two manuals? |
13:31:18 | tucoz | nevermind. I do it anyway :) |
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13:33:03 | b00st4 | hey |
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13:33:16 | tucoz | hi |
13:33:25 | b00st4 | any1 got a ipod 5g? |
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13:33:42 | b00st4 | got a problem runnin rockbox... |
13:35:22 | b00st4 | is it fixet yet, to supply power to the itrip when runnin rockbox? |
13:35:44 | tucoz | I don't know. Wouldn't think so |
13:36:35 | b00st4 | i read something, that it was build in one of the latest cvs |
13:36:57 | b00st4 | linuxstb seemed to have fixed this bug... |
13:37:11 | tucoz | Oh. I see. |
13:38:10 | b00st4 | but i dont get it to work.. |
13:38:32 | b00st4 | works fine wit the orig firmware, but dont wanna change it back... |
13:39:13 | tucoz | I can understand that :) When was that change committed? |
13:39:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | The change simply provides power to accessories. |
13:40:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It won't necessarily make all accessories work |
13:41:12 | b00st4 | yeah, but it was said, that it would work wit the itrip... |
13:41:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Where was that said? |
13:41:45 | b00st4 | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/rockbox-itrip-and-ipod.html |
13:41:59 | b00st4 | googled for ti... |
13:42:00 | b00st4 | it |
13:42:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | So... I note that's not a link to anywhere on Rockbox.org. |
13:42:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you have the exact same iTrip as the one he has? |
13:43:29 | b00st4 | jap, i do |
13:43:55 | b00st4 | but im not sure about this melt thing, i would loose my guarantee |
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13:46:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't understand what you were expecting then. |
13:46:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems to say extra steps need to be taken so far. |
13:47:04 | b00st4 | yeah, just wanned to know if there is any other way now |
13:48:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if it doesn't work for you, then I imagine there's not yet. |
13:48:34 | b00st4 | and if not, maybe there is a solution now, to run the orig firmware parallelly, it was possible somehow with foobod/foobar, but not for the 5g i think |
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13:49:18 | b00st4 | you now, im no developer, and well it could be, that there is any patch out...thats why i was askin |
13:50:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you're looking for a patch, they're all in the patch tracker |
13:50:41 | b00st4 | iknow... |
13:50:49 | tucoz | clear |
13:50:50 | tucoz | ls |
13:50:53 | tucoz | sorry |
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13:51:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Plus you said you read something that said it was in CVS |
13:51:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm curious what that was. |
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13:54:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | On an unrelated note, I'd like to vent to a mostly empty room. My assignment tells me my class needs a destructor. My class itself has nothing dynamically allocated. What should I have the destructor do? Just say "Hi, I ran?" |
13:54:13 | b00st4 | follow the link, it is said, that power supply for accessories is in the cvs tree now |
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13:55:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: And it also says that _despite_ that, you still need to do the other step. I thought you meant that somewhere you'd read the rest of the problem was fixed. |
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13:56:23 | b00st4 | nah, that prob remained, but as this blogpost is bout a month old, i thought maybe so would have fixed that yet |
13:56:41 | b00st4 | but it seems, that this is very hard to do... |
13:56:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's also a very minor thing compared to everything else |
13:57:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | And Rockbox is also in feature freeze, so it couldn't have gone into CVS even if someone did do it. |
13:57:47 | b00st4 | what? i dont think so, itrip is a pretty useful thing, im sure many pps would apreciate it... |
13:58:15 | JdGordon | just get a proper fm transmitter that isnt apple branded and your good to go |
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14:01:52 | tucoz | Paul_The_Nerd, c++? just implement the destructor as a stub. |
14:01:57 | tucoz | for completeness |
14:03:58 | b00st4 | <JdGordon> just get a proper fm transmitter that isnt apple branded and your good to go |
14:04:02 | b00st4 | that works than? |
14:04:29 | b00st4 | actually itrip isnt made by apple |
14:04:35 | b00st4 | its griffin |
14:05:23 | amiconn | You should be able to use any generic fm transmitter, that just connects to the headphone jack |
14:05:53 | amiconn | Drawback: a generic transmitter isn't powered from the ipod, so it has its own battery |
14:06:17 | b00st4 | ah, ok |
14:06:34 | b00st4 | so the only problem is to get power to the itrip u think? |
14:06:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | tucoz: Well, the assignment tells me it must have a destructor. I've put in an output in it, just so that it says "Hey, I got called" so the teacher is happy. |
14:06:57 | tucoz | :) |
14:07:02 | b00st4 | cuz its possible to connect a usb power directly to the itrip |
14:07:03 | amiconn | Perhaps |
14:07:15 | amiconn | I can't be sure as I don't have such a thing, and don't plan to get one either |
14:07:23 | b00st4 | :D |
14:07:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | b00st4: When I said it was minor, I meant it. There are many MANY things left to be done that will affect 100% of users. The iTrip probably affects 1/4 at best. |
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14:08:22 | amiconn | Accessory support for ipod will probably come sooner or later, it depends on someone having accessorie(s), enough time and desire to figure out how it works |
14:08:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It'll happen eventually |
14:09:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though the fact that iPodLinux has yet to work it out isn't terribly promising for a rapid timeline |
14:09:16 | JdGordon | usbotg is more important :D |
14:09:16 | b00st4 | ah, ok, but 1/4 isnt too less, but i understand, its not too easy to fix that and therefore i gotta seek for alternates |
14:09:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I'll settle for simply "USB" |
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14:16:34 | webguest11 | hey friends, are there any screenshots of rockbox out there anywhere? |
14:16:50 | tucoz | webguest11, what player do you have? |
14:17:09 | webguest11 | nano |
14:17:12 | webguest11 | 2gig |
14:17:24 | tucoz | You can check screenshots in the manual. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano-20060605.pdf |
14:17:45 | webguest11 | ty much |
14:17:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not terribly pretty |
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14:18:35 | webguest11 | yeah firgured as much |
14:18:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though you can make the while playing screen look _very_ nice |
14:18:56 | tucoz | the plugins are pretty (some of them) |
14:20:01 | tucoz | webguest11, the nano wps gallery. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano |
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14:20:09 | sharpe | hey people... |
14:20:15 | Genre9mp3 | Does this happen to anyone else? (H340) After disconnecting the player from USB mode (NOT Bootloader USB mode), when try to play a song, I get the WPS screen but playback never starts.... after rebooting everything OK until I connect the player again to the PC, then again, playback never starts |
14:21:19 | Hansmaulwurf | try to reloud your .cfg |
14:21:37 | Hansmaulwurf | helped on m H120 |
14:22:07 | Genre9mp3 | Hamsmaulwurf:This is for me? |
14:22:25 | Hansmaulwurf | yes |
14:22:30 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
14:22:51 | Hansmaulwurf | i had this bug one time after i installed a new build |
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14:23:27 | Hansmaulwurf | couldnt start playback and the button mapping wasnt right |
14:23:58 | Genre9mp3 | Hamsmaulwurf:Reloading the cfg does not help... |
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14:24:36 | Genre9mp3 | Only restarting Rockbox helps... |
14:24:50 | Genre9mp3 | I think this is a bug... |
14:24:57 | Genre9mp3 | Can anyone here reproduce it? |
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14:27:03 | Genre9mp3 | latest CVS build on H300 |
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15:18:13 | hacim | hey rockboxers, I'm wanting to get some supported hardware to run rockbox and am wondering what to get, i've never been excited about ipods, but what do people recommend? |
15:18:29 | midkay_ | depends on what you want, really.. |
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15:18:48 | sharpe | that's great reasoning |
15:19:25 | hacim | midkay: I guess I am so clueless I dont even know what options I have for wanting |
15:19:55 | midkay | hacim, the iriver H100, H300 series are rather popular, as are the iPod 4Gs and 5G, and nano.. |
15:20:05 | midkay | and the iAudio X5. |
15:20:13 | hacim | midkay: i'm guessing amount of space, battery life and size are the biggest criteria? |
15:20:23 | midkay | the archoses are supported, but rather old/clunky :) and tehy don't play the 9 or 10 supported codecs we've got now. |
15:20:53 | hacim | I guess one criteria is I'm looking for something relatively cheap |
15:20:56 | midkay | hacim, iPods are smallest I think.. battery life isn't too good on them yet.. maybe an H140, if you don't need a color screen. |
15:21:04 | amiconn | hacim: Other criteria: Do you want recording? radio? spdif input and/or output? |
15:21:08 | midkay | i think battery life on those is quite good by now, and it's reasonably small. |
15:21:09 | hacim | as in not much money (not quality :) |
15:21:28 | hacim | amiconn: I do want a radio |
15:21:39 | sharpe | gahh... exam... in an hour and a half.. |
15:21:48 | midkay | do the H140s have radios? |
15:21:52 | hacim | amiconn: recording would be nice, I dont know what spdif is, so I guess not |
15:21:52 | midkay | can't remember at all. |
15:22:24 | Genre9mp3 | midkay: H140 have radio of course... |
15:22:33 | midkay | why "of course"? :) |
15:22:38 | Genre9mp3 | :) |
15:22:39 | amiconn | ...and finally, do you want much space and carry all your music (->harddisk player), or want a robust unit with less apce (->flash-based player) |
15:22:53 | midkay | hacim, the H140 sounds perfect for you (or H120 if you want 20gb instead of 40).. |
15:23:01 | amiconn | s/apce/space/ |
15:23:13 | midkay | probably cheapest of all the good supported players, recording, radio.. |
15:24:12 | Genre9mp3 | also the H120/H140 have the longest battery life with rockbox.... |
15:24:22 | midkay | Genre9mp3, right.. |
15:24:28 | hacim | amiconn: when you say "robust unit" - what do you mean by that? |
15:24:30 | amiconn | midkay: The archoses might not play 9 of 10 codecs of the newer units, but they're still good for 99.9% of my music :) |
15:24:53 | midkay | amiconn, haha, mine too. :) but they're.. dunno.. old. :) clunky. :) |
15:25:08 | amiconn | The Ondio isn't clunky |
15:25:16 | amiconn | Old they are, that's true |
15:25:28 | midkay | that's true, but he also wants "amount of space" -> storage, i think.. |
15:25:40 | hacim | i dont particularly need tons of space, or ultra light, or anything, I'd like a good rockbox feature set, supported codecs and something that wont break :) |
15:26:05 | midkay | how much space exactly could you use? |
15:26:11 | midkay | 2GB? 4GB? or more like 20GB? |
15:26:39 | hacim | I *could* use 60gb, but I dont _need_ that much space all the time |
15:26:41 | midkay | or even less.. ondios... 128MB + an MMC card, i think. |
15:26:50 | amiconn | Harddisks don't like to be dropped |
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15:27:08 | hacim | they do enjoy being thrown |
15:27:14 | midkay | haha. |
15:27:20 | sharpe | not the kind of hard drives i use... |
15:27:41 | hacim | rockbox needs the hard drive active protection system :) |
15:27:42 | amiconn | midkay: Yes, and the MMC can have up to 4GB of capacity :) |
15:27:53 | pondlife | Hi guys. |
15:27:59 | pondlife | Could somebody with the relevant Flyspray permissions consider updating bug 5486 to be required in 3.0. It gives a recipe which will hard crash an H340 (or H340 sim) reliably, so I'd think of it as "critical". |
15:28:02 | hacim | so it sounds like I should look at the ondio, or the H120/H140 |
15:28:05 | sharpe | hacim: it'd only work if there were sensors to monitor position :) |
15:28:55 | hacim | sharpe: details... it could be a manual operation, "press the down button before dropping your device" ;) |
15:29:08 | sharpe | eh, true |
15:29:34 | hacim | since most people plan their mistakes...? ok, I'll shutup now |
15:29:54 | amiconn | hacim: Flash based players are lighter and smaller than HD based players, and they are less susceptible to dropping and practically immune to vibration/shaking (e.g. while jogging). But they offer less capacity. 4GB is the maximum for rockbox-supported flash players atm |
15:30:10 | amiconn | (which would either be the Ondio, with a 4GB card, or the iPod nano) |
15:30:53 | amiconn | Harddisk based players offer up to 60GB factory installed. The old archoses use 2.5" hard disks and can be upgraded to >120GB |
15:32:07 | amiconn | Another point would be the display, i.e. whether you want colour |
15:32:08 | midkay | right.. /me has to go for a while, though.. bbl |
15:33:51 | hacim | looks like the H120 goes for about $130-160 on ebay |
15:34:13 | midkay | quite a nice deal if you don't mind the fact that it *might* break with a drop.. |
15:34:27 | hacim | amiconn: i dont really need color, I guess I would if it was doing video, but for menus who cares? |
15:34:40 | hacim | midkay: sure, but you can then just replace the drive, right? |
15:36:05 | hacim | ondios look really inexpensive |
15:36:17 | hacim | of course thats with the default 128megs |
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15:40:07 | JdGordon | any core devs around? |
15:41:46 | amiconn | A few minutes... |
15:42:08 | JdGordon | i wont bug u then |
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15:44:14 | linuxstb | pondlife: I've updated that bug to be due in 3.0 |
15:47:54 | pondlife | linuxstb: Thanks |
15:48:05 | linuxstb | pondlife: Can you try adding "if (current_frequency)" to the start of line 259 in mpa.c and see if that helps that crash? I can't see why current_frequency should be zero at that point though. |
15:48:06 | pondlife | I hope to have more time to look at it shortly |
15:48:32 | pondlife | Yes - I tried that and it didn't help, so not sure what's actually causing the exception. |
15:48:44 | pondlife | I'm a bit new to GDB though. |
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15:50:09 | linuxstb | That's weird then. Did you get the same gdb output when you did that? Also, did you definitely run "make install" after recompiling the sim (to install the updated codecs)? |
15:50:29 | pondlife | Ah I didn't do make install... that might be why! |
15:50:44 | pondlife | I'll give it another go when I get back from work |
15:51:10 | linuxstb | :) OK. |
15:51:25 | pondlife | Thanks anyway! |
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16:07:16 | hacim | I remember a supported hardware matrix somewhere on the wiki, but I can't find that anymore, does it no longer exist? |
16:08:04 | bluebrother | look for DeviceChart |
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16:09:17 | hacim | thanks |
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16:47:10 | Paprica | why can't i use %pb in if? |
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16:49:35 | Genre9mp3 | I added the bug with playback not working after USB connect to the tracker |
16:49:37 | Genre9mp3 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5500 |
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16:51:38 | ts-x | Genre9mp3: I've experienced the same issue, hard freeze requiring reset after usb on H340 |
16:52:16 | XavierGr | ts-x: no hard freeze. |
16:52:24 | XavierGr | it will just refuse to output sound. |
16:52:51 | ts-x | Strange, for me it's almost always a hard freeze (I'm using the album art patch, not sure if that's making it worse) |
16:53:20 | linuxstb | So does it happen every time you try and play music after using USB? |
16:53:27 | Genre9mp3 | ts-x: I don't think that the album-art patch has nothing to do with this.... |
16:53:31 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: yes |
16:53:43 | Genre9mp3 | You have to rebbot |
16:53:48 | linuxstb | Any idea if it's a new bug, or if it's always been there? |
16:54:23 | ts-x | For me it's usually after modifying the wps via usb and reloading it. It's relatively new, as in within the past month or so I think. |
16:54:30 | Genre9mp3 | Well I had almost a month to update and I cannot say for sure... |
16:55:01 | XavierGr | the strange thing is that this won't happen on H100 |
16:55:09 | Genre9mp3 | Even if you don't transfer files (just connect) you also get this problem |
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17:28:15 | PaulJam | is someone with flyspray access here? |
17:30:46 | XavierGr | yes |
17:31:43 | PaulJam | XavierGr: i think FS #5373 can be closed. i can't reproduce it anymore. |
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17:35:43 | XavierGr | ok done. |
17:36:11 | XavierGr | probably it was fixed by the other commit for the viewer the other day. |
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17:45:01 | falconfox | hi. i am brand new to rockbox. i tried to force an tag update and i get "data abort at 0003519C". i have rebooted and tried 3 times. each time that is what happens |
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17:45:14 | falconfox | i am using ipod color |
17:45:28 | falconfox | with latest rockbox build |
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18:19:39 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5501 |
18:19:44 | Paprica | please take a look |
18:23:07 | falconfox | will do |
18:24:18 | falconfox | Paprica: what am i supposed to do with the .diff file? |
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18:25:48 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
18:25:56 | falconfox | Paprica: again, thanks |
18:26:09 | Paprica | :) |
18:26:35 | Mikachu | i don't think that patch has anything to do with your problem |
18:27:40 | Paprica | problem? |
18:27:42 | falconfox | here is what i did, i updated my 4g color ipod to the latest apple firmware, which erased everything. then i followed the install instructions on the rockbox thing. everything worked. rockbox started and then i dragged all my music over to my ipod. |
18:27:58 | falconfox | then i chose "id3 database" then did a force check |
18:28:17 | falconfox | then i get "data abort at 0003519C" |
18:28:47 | bluebrother | have you tried forcing the check before you switched to the id3 database view? |
18:29:20 | falconfox | no, i haven't. i will go back to "compatible" view and then force check |
18:30:05 | bluebrother | just an idea, maybe it helps |
18:30:48 | falconfox | actually, last time i did the force check, it was in "supported" mode |
18:31:07 | bluebrother | hmm. Then I have no idea. |
18:31:46 | falconfox | could it be an issue with the bootloader? |
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18:32:17 | bluebrother | I don't think so −− at least rockbox seems to be running. |
18:32:23 | falconfox | true |
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18:32:42 | falconfox | are the settings saved in the .rockbox folder? |
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18:33:37 | bluebrother | no, they are saved in a special block on disk. But you can export them as .cfg file |
18:33:46 | falconfox | i had yesterday's build on my ipod, then i deleted the .rockbox folder & the bios and put todays build on there. the settings from yesterday were still there |
18:33:53 | falconfox | oh ok |
18:34:05 | falconfox | could that special block be corrupt? |
18:34:44 | bluebrother | it stores a version number, so this shouldn't be a problem. I think there is a key combo in the bootloader that clears all settings. |
18:35:11 | bluebrother | at least iriver has one, so I assume theres also one for ipods, but unfortunately I don't own an ipod (yet) |
18:35:55 | falconfox | ok then |
18:36:19 | falconfox | i got the errer again, even when i did not choose id3 database |
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18:37:01 | bluebrother | sorry, but I think I can't help you further on this. Need to buy an ipod first ;-) |
18:37:43 | PaulJam | can it be, that some of your files have embeddded album art in the tags? i have heard that tagcache can't handle these tags. |
18:39:10 | pondlife | Is anyone around who knows the voice/audio codec swapping code? |
18:39:26 | bluebrother | you could try also manually removing the tagcache files before rebuilding. |
18:39:34 | pondlife | I've attached some notes to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5486 |
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18:43:38 | tucoz | Should I commit rockblox to the manual, or just wait for it to get phased out? |
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18:46:59 | falconfox | PaulJam: i don't think any of my tags have that |
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18:47:25 | falconfox | bluebrother: how do i remove the tagchace files? |
18:48:47 | tucoz | falconfox, just go to the .rockbox folder and delete them. If you want to delete them on target, choose "show all" in the file settings menu. |
18:49:30 | bluebrother | falconfox, they are the file with the .tcd extension |
18:51:28 | falconfox | bluebrother: for some reason, wtih files set to show "all" i am unable to go into my .rockbox folder |
18:51:34 | falconfox | nevermind |
18:51:38 | falconfox | i got it |
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18:58:31 | falconfox | how do i find out if some of my files have album art? |
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20:16:08 | RancidLM | hey all |
20:16:48 | RancidLM | my settings are messed in rockbox iv currently got white on white.. how do i reset its display configs? |
20:17:24 | PaulJam | which player do you have? |
20:20:02 | RancidLM | ipod? |
20:20:32 | RancidLM | i tried setting ipod clone on and it just became white on white |
20:20:36 | PaulJam | then you can reset the settings by booting rockbox with hold enabled |
20:21:54 | RancidLM | PaulJam: perect worked Great :D |
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20:28:36 | RancidLM | is their a way to have rockbox and ipodlinux as well? |
20:28:46 | RancidLM | and firmware os's |
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20:37:46 | sharpe | grrar! exams are ovah... |
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21:07:41 | dionoea | hello |
21:07:55 | sharpe | hi. |
21:09:12 | Xinux | die. |
21:10:12 | sharpe | pie |
21:11:15 | dionoea | i noticed the release wiki page ... it said that the freeze was supposed to last 4 weeks, up to 01/05 ... you should maybe update that :) |
21:11:57 | sharpe | it's more of an extended release now |
21:12:07 | sharpe | er |
21:12:08 | sharpe | freeze. |
21:12:27 | dionoea | yeah, we always have the same thing when we want to release VLC |
21:12:28 | sharpe | besides, that was just four days ago. |
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21:12:39 | dionoea | 01/05 was 1 month ago here :) |
21:13:21 | sharpe | heh... |
21:14:20 | dionoea | does anyone know if it's possible to change the IA's intelligence on chessbox ? |
21:14:21 | sharpe | depends on your dating format. |
21:14:38 | sharpe | i can safely say, no? |
21:14:39 | dionoea | 01/05 using us dating format was 5 months ago :) |
21:14:41 | mirak | is there a way to put the hard drive of an H300 in standby when connected in USB driver ? |
21:15:15 | sharpe | mirak: you mean, turn it off while in usb mode? |
21:15:39 | sharpe | ie, stop it from spinning? |
21:15:43 | mirak | sharpe: just the hard drive, like you would do with a normal hard drive |
21:15:45 | mirak | yes |
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21:16:01 | sharpe | why would you want to do that? :D |
21:16:09 | sharpe | eh, i don't think there is at the moment anyway. |
21:16:44 | sharpe | eh, it's possible, just not implemented. |
21:16:58 | sharpe | doesn't it spin down after no use ? |
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21:17:06 | dionoea | it should |
21:17:07 | mirak | sharpe: no |
21:17:11 | mirak | at least not on linux |
21:17:16 | Xinux | i cant get firefox support in like any channel |
21:17:16 | Xinux | >.< |
21:17:26 | Xinux | even on irc.mozilla,org, everybody = afk |
21:17:30 | mirak | I tried to hdparm -Y /dev/sda but it doesn't turn it of |
21:17:32 | mirak | off |
21:17:37 | sharpe | Xinux: they don't like you. |
21:17:40 | Xinux | nah |
21:17:42 | Xinux | they just not there |
21:17:46 | Xinux | i asked a pretty simple question |
21:17:52 | sharpe | no, they don't like you. it's okay. |
21:17:59 | Xinux | lmao, sharpe die |
21:18:15 | sharpe | see why they don't like you? :D |
21:18:24 | Xinux | you're about |
21:18:27 | Xinux | 180 people ? |
21:18:28 | Xinux | amazing ? |
21:18:34 | amiconn | mirak: The harddisk spin/standby behaviour in usb mode is handled by the operation system of the pc, plus the config eeprom of the usb-ata bridge |
21:18:44 | amiconn | Nothing to be influenced by rockbox |
21:18:50 | Xinux | i didnt go in there saying die, i just asked a simple question, settings my side mouse buttons to back and forward |
21:18:59 | sharpe | heheh... |
21:19:02 | sharpe | we warn them. |
21:19:55 | sharpe | yay! i got a thank you in the forums. |
21:20:15 | amiconn | My H340 hd does spin down in usb mode while idle, the H140 hd does not |
21:20:32 | mirak | my H320 doesn't |
21:20:42 | mirak | amiconn: you use linux ? |
21:20:42 | sharpe | amiconn: would we consider recording for the ipods an important feature? |
21:20:57 | mirak | can you force standby mode with hdparm -y /dev/sda ? |
21:20:57 | amiconn | That's in windows - many people have reported usb harddisks not spinning down under linux |
21:21:03 | mirak | ok |
21:21:04 | amiconn | (for whatever reason) |
21:21:06 | mirak | :-/ |
21:21:38 | amiconn | sharpe: My ipod can't record. That's a thing to be implemented by other devs |
21:21:43 | obo | mirak: hdparm -S ?? |
21:22:04 | sharpe | yeh, but would it be a critical feature? |
21:22:10 | sharpe | i don't see why it would be... |
21:22:15 | mirak | obo: in fact hdparm can't talk at all to the drive |
21:22:16 | dionoea | do the ipods have microphones ? |
21:22:20 | dionoea | -s |
21:22:25 | mirak | dionoea: yes |
21:22:26 | sharpe | they can record via the headphone jack. |
21:22:27 | linuxstb | sharpe: ipod recording is on my list of things to do, but I don't even have time for bugfixing atm |
21:22:56 | sharpe | linuxstb: alright, i was just answering a question on the forums, as i couldn't remember what was said about recording |
21:23:07 | dionoea | mirak: all ? i couldn't see a mic on my 5g |
21:23:32 | mirak | dionoea: that's inside the headphone connector |
21:23:37 | mirak | there is a third pin |
21:23:59 | dionoea | do you need a special apple mic ? or will any mic work ? |
21:24:21 | amiconn | sharpe: If they can record, rockbox should of course support it |
21:24:25 | sharpe | mirak: the other pins in the 5g just deal with video/audio. i believe it's implemented in the hardware to record from the headphone jack, instead of playing music. |
21:24:33 | linuxstb | Does the 5g definitely have the ability to record via the headphone socket? As there's no remote connector on the top, Apple may have removed that feature. |
21:24:42 | mirak | I think sdparm does what I want |
21:24:55 | amiconn | Afaik they can record via the headphone jack and via separate line-in on the dock connector (?) |
21:25:10 | sharpe | beyond my knowledge. |
21:25:21 | * | dionoea checks the ipod website |
21:25:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: In general, yes. The 1g-4g are definitely like that. But I'm not sure about the 5g. |
21:26:00 | linuxstb | The only mic accessory I've seen for the 5g plugged into the dock. |
21:26:10 | amiconn | The minis definitely cannot record as they have a dac-only wmcodec |
21:26:12 | sharpe | in soviet russia, microphone record you! |
21:26:32 | sharpe | :) |
21:27:31 | * | Xinux picks up Sharpe and starts writing die. |
21:27:53 | sharpe | ... |
21:28:27 | dionoea | looks like it can recored voice |
21:28:30 | dionoea | -d |
21:28:44 | * | amiconn has a properly working charging icon on all targets :) |
21:28:45 | dionoea | so there must be some way to plug a mic in |
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21:28:57 | amiconn | The code needs some more cleanup though |
21:29:01 | sharpe | i did suggest a speex codec once... :D |
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21:30:23 | sharpe | we should have, rockbox awards, eg, Most Dedicated, Most Helpful, Least Helpful, et cetera... |
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21:31:54 | mirak | crap sdparm -C stop doesn't stop anything |
21:32:03 | lowlight | Can anyone help me...I'm having troubles with the WIN32 sim... |
21:32:22 | lowlight | I keep getting "failed to open for write: archos/_temp_codec.dll" whenever it switches codecs |
21:33:06 | spenny | can anyone help me fix my spazzed ipod? |
21:34:43 | dionoea | hum ... i can't find a record screen in the original apple firmware |
21:36:12 | spenny | :( |
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21:36:57 | dionoea | anyone know where i'm supposed to find that ? or does it need a mic plugged in to bring that screen up ? |
21:39:11 | spenny | would anyone have a original ipod nano "bootpartition.bin" copy they could send me? |
21:39:17 | spenny | 2G |
21:39:31 | dionoea | on the windows ipod install wiki page maybe |
21:39:42 | dionoea | (at the bottom) |
21:40:17 | dpro | speeny: I might let me check ... |
21:41:16 | spenny | i've tried the copy posted on the page you suggest dionoea, and it doesnt work |
21:41:26 | dionoea | oh ... |
21:41:34 | Xinux | die die die die |
21:41:35 | dionoea | maybe on ipodlinux.org |
21:42:08 | Xinux | podzilla needs an official release for ipod video |
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21:43:18 | linuxstb | dionoea: I think you only get a record screen in the Apple firmware when using an official mic accessory... |
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21:43:44 | dionoea | oh ... so i'd need an official mic which would cost about $1000 ... darn :/ |
21:43:54 | linuxstb | No, probably about $20-$30 |
21:43:56 | dpro | linuxstb: and that will be the one attaching to the doc right ? |
21:44:20 | linuxstb | dpro: On the 5g, yes. But I'm not even sure any 5g mics are available yet. |
21:44:44 | dionoea | they're not listed in the accessories list on the specs.html page |
21:44:50 | dpro | hmmm |
21:45:14 | linuxstb | There's a preview/review here: http://www.italk-pro.co.uk/ |
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21:49:52 | lowlight | linuxstb: do you have a patch to underclock an h120? |
21:49:56 | lowlight | I've underclocked before, but when I tried today, it slowed the playback speed as well (like I had slowed the pitch). |
21:51:07 | dionoea | hum, italk 5g or italk pro doesn't exist on the apple web site ... we'll have to wait :) |
21:54:16 | dionoea | oh, it's not made by apple ... hehe :D |
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22:04:07 | linuxstb | dionoea: Here's another: http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/01/belkins-tunetalk-stereo-does-16-bit-ipod-recording/ |
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22:06:30 | linuxstb | lowlight: No, I don't have a patch for CPU speed. amiconn told me what to do - it will be in the IRC logs if you can find it... |
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22:06:43 | spenny | bah, netsplit |
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22:07:25 | dionoea | linuxstb: yep, i saw that one too. But looks like it also isn't available yet |
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22:08:27 | linuxstb | dionoea: Yes, and they're all for the dock connector as well. Which is why I'm doubting the 5g can record via the headphone socket. |
22:08:39 | lowlight | linuxstb: that's were I got my info, but it doesn't work now. Seems as though playback frequency now depends on cpu speed? |
22:09:29 | linuxstb | Maybe... I don't really know much about the Coldfire. |
22:13:29 | amiconn | lowlight: No it doesn't. However, you need to obey some details when changing PLLCONFIG |
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22:13:59 | amiconn | (1) Do not change the bits that define the audio clock and the two MCLKs |
22:14:34 | amiconn | (2) The clock frequency cannot be chosen freely, but it must be an integer multiple of the base frequency of 11289600Hz |
22:15:56 | amiconn | ..and the *_MULT macro must be defined properly. This is because of the way the timers are handled to ensure proper operation across clock frequency changes |
22:16:13 | lowlight | amiconn: I followed your instructions here: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20051104.txt (around 13:35). It worked in the past, but not now. |
22:16:18 | amiconn | The values I gave linuxstb back then should still be valid |
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22:18:24 | lowlight | I did notice that the current PLLCR value for CPUFREQ_NORMAL has changed since then. |
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22:19:09 | amiconn | Oh? Hmm, lemme check |
22:21:11 | lowlight | system.c revision 1.99: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/system.c?r1=1.98&r2=1.99 |
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22:22:51 | amiconn | Yeah, found that, checking datasheet |
22:25:03 | amiconn | Aha, chenged AUDIOSEL from 0 to 1. Try PLLCR = 0x13c46005; for 34MHz, and PLLCR = 0x15c4e005; |
22:25:08 | amiconn | ..for 23MHz |
22:25:35 | Paprica | hi |
22:25:45 | Paprica | how can i remove file from cvs? |
22:26:17 | lowlight | Thanks, I will try. |
22:26:17 | dionoea | cvs rm ? |
22:26:26 | Paprica | ok :) |
22:26:56 | Paprica | it doesnt show here |
22:26:57 | Paprica | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS |
22:26:57 | Paprica | =\ |
22:27:08 | Mikachu | you can add it then |
22:27:50 | Paprica | but i dont know how to use it |
22:28:39 | dionoea | Paprica: else you can just type "cvs help" |
22:28:46 | dionoea | and it'll show all the commands |
22:29:10 | Paprica | 10x :) |
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22:29:17 | amiconn | Paprica: http://neelix.net/download/doc/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E.pdf |
22:29:41 | amiconn | Nice book about cvs... |
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22:30:24 | Paprica | very long =\ |
22:30:38 | amiconn | It has a cvs reference chapter... |
22:34:07 | Paprica | mm |
22:34:09 | Paprica | cvs remove: file `brickmania_sel_start.112x64x1.bmp' still in working directory |
22:34:16 | Paprica | what should i need to do now? |
22:34:24 | Paprica | =\ |
22:34:40 | markun | Paprica: I think you have to remove the file |
22:34:46 | amiconn | You need to first remove the file physically, *then* issue 'cvs remove' |
22:34:52 | Paprica | from my folder? |
22:34:55 | amiconn | yep |
22:35:00 | Paprica | ok |
22:35:49 | * | amiconn considers this behaviour a little braindead, since it removes the possibility of using tab completion for the file name |
22:36:21 | preglow | subversion fixes that :> |
22:36:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: Just use a semi-colon. i.e. rm file.c ; cvs remove file.c |
22:36:25 | dionoea | hehe :) |
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22:36:28 | * | preglow nudges Bagder |
22:36:31 | dionoea | cvs vs svn ... round 1 ! |
22:36:34 | dionoea | fight ! |
22:36:47 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah, yes, didn't think of that |
22:37:01 | * | amiconn usually uses a file manager to delete files |
22:37:09 | dionoea | (notice that even ffmpeg finaly decided to move to subversion) |
22:37:34 | amiconn | Why *even* ? |
22:37:52 | Mikachu | amiconn: zsh completes correctly anyway |
22:38:10 | Mikachu | and only files that are actually in the repository, not other stuff you might have lying around |
22:38:54 | dionoea | amiconn: well the troll lasted like 1 or 2 years on the mailing list ... |
22:42:28 | preglow | Mikachu: why the entire world hasn't switched to zsh is beyond me |
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22:42:45 | Mikachu | yeah it is strange |
22:43:04 | Mikachu | when people ask me how it is better than bash i tell them i don't know; i have never used bash :) |
22:43:16 | preglow | i've used bash for ages |
22:43:20 | preglow | but zsh plain beats it |
22:44:16 | Mikachu | back when i installed loonix for the first time i chose zsh over bash because i thought the name was cooler |
22:44:30 | * | dionoea uses zsh |
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22:51:41 | lowlight | amiconn: thanks, that worked....also, any ideas why the sim (cygwin) doesn't like to change codecs. |
22:51:44 | lowlight | I keep getting "failed to open for write: archos/_temp_codec.dll" |
22:52:10 | amiconn | I don't know. Last time I tried it, it worked |
22:54:04 | sharpe | ah, "Sharpe" is a surname. who knew? :) |
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22:58:17 | sharpe | and there is also a replacement shell for windows, "SharpE" |
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23:37:47 | philroche | hi guys, I've just loaded the latest rockbox onto my iriver H100, it was working fine until I opened the text_viewer. It's now completely frozen. I can't turn it on or off at all. ANy ideas? |
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23:45:37 | philroche | Update - I pressed the reset button - I was hesitant as I thought it might wipe my music. All is well :) |
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23:54:26 | sharpe | i am back! |
23:55:10 | Aghaster | wb, then |
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23:55:21 | sharpe | how's the translation commit going? :) |
23:55:31 | BHSPitMonkey | woo |
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23:55:34 | Aghaster | look up cvs dated for yesterday :P |
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23:55:38 | Aghaster | from* |
23:55:56 | sharpe | ah |
23:55:58 | sharpe | yay |
23:56:11 | Aghaster | I am the one with the first ipod in Esperanto in the world now. |
23:56:28 | Aghaster | how useless, but how fun |
23:56:29 | Aghaster | lo, |
23:56:37 | sharpe | heh |
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23:56:46 | sharpe | i'd use it if i spoke esperanto. but i don't. |
23:56:55 | Aghaster | Time to start learning it lol |
23:57:02 | Aghaster | XD |
23:57:08 | Aghaster | markun is happy its finished |
23:57:09 | sharpe | heh |
23:57:26 | Aghaster | i don't know if there are other esperantists other than me and markun |
23:57:29 | Aghaster | that use rockbox |
23:57:46 | Aghaster | maybe i should mail the user maillist? |
23:57:51 | * | BHSPitMonkey wonders what esperanto is |
23:58:12 | sharpe | a language! |
23:58:29 | Aghaster | Esperanto is an artificial language created in 1887 by Ludovic Zamenhof, in Warsaw. Today, its the most spoken conlang in the world |
23:58:45 | BHSPitMonkey | oook |
23:58:46 | Aghaster | There are esperanto groups in almost every country in the world |