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#rockbox log for 2006-06-07

00:00:04dionoeai just added a 14x(6*14) bitmap
00:00:09amiconn.bss section from hell...
00:00:13preglowyeah, and i'm blind, it seems
00:00:14Paul_The_Nerdbluebrother: This isn't really the Rockbox Development Channel...
00:00:19*amiconn would like to see the .map
00:00:26BHSPitMonkey"Rockbox 3.0 expected before 2008!"
00:00:27bluebrother"Rockbox channel −− like the weather in europe, still waiting for summer to release" ;-)
00:00:34bluebrotherisn't it?
00:00:35Aghasterlol
00:00:36amiconnmurks
00:00:36preglowi just didn't consider the possibility of ram actually being filled...
00:00:40nobeliumit's summer here
00:00:42nobelium38C
00:00:42nobelium:p
00:00:48Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: If he made the images too large, could that do it?
00:00:48Genre9mp3lol bluebrother
00:00:52BHSPitMonkeyit's about 100F outside...
00:00:57BHSPitMonkey(in Texas)
00:01:00preglowPaul_The_Nerd: i guess so, but hell, those'd need to be bloody huge
00:01:02dionoeaamiconn: rockbox.map ?
00:01:05amiconnBah, imaginable units, please
00:01:23*amiconn gets calculator
00:01:30Aghasteruhhh, fahrenheits
00:01:36preglow100f is close to 35c, no?
00:01:37Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: 35.5 where I am.
00:01:39bluebrother~10° here (according to the internet)
00:01:51dionoeahehe, sokoban.map
00:02:12Mikachupreglow: units; You have: tempF(100); you want: tempC; 37.7778
00:02:20FebsThat reminds me of a time when I sat on an airport shuttle behind two women who were talking about the weather. One was American, and was talking about degrees F. The other was from Iceland, and was talking about degrees C.
00:02:36FebsBut neither realized the other was using a different measurement unit.
00:02:37Paul_The_NerdThere are too many "degrees" in general.
00:02:42preglowMikachu: where'd i find those functions?
00:02:43Aghasterhaha
00:02:49Mikachupreglow: units is the best program ever
00:02:53preglowroit
00:02:58preglowhah
00:03:00preglowi've got it too
00:03:30Mikachuyou can do awesome stuff like this
00:03:30dionoeaamiconn: does that help http://pastebin.com/763572 ?
00:03:32MikachuYou have: 2GiB / 128 kbps
00:03:32MikachuYou want: minutes
00:03:32Mikachu* 2236.9621
00:03:33preglowFebs: both swilling whiskey by the bottle, then?
00:04:49bluebrotherwhen speaking of GiB ... I think we should use the IEC prefixes when calculating file sizes based on powers of 2
00:05:04FebsIt was a riot. "Oh, it averages about zero in the winter." "Wow, that's really cold! It only gets down to zero here about once a year." "Oh, I didn't realize it's so mild in this part of America."
00:05:07amiconnWow... more than 504KB of bss ...
00:05:19preglowhardcore
00:05:19*amiconn wonders what's going on in sokoban
00:05:31amiconnAH, hmm, I think I know what it it
00:05:43dionoea24 bit bitmap ? :)
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00:05:51*amiconn remembers that someone changed the level loader to load everything it can
00:06:05amiconn..which means using all avaliable plugin ram.
00:06:15dionoeaoh
00:06:20amiconnBut the current size is just overkill on swcodec devices
00:06:26 Quit klrspz ()
00:06:35amiconnJust decrease the array size a little, and you should be fine
00:06:35dionoea#define MAX_BUFFERED_BOARDS (PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE - 0x2000)/SOKOBAN_LEVEL_SIZE
00:06:39preglowand should be lowered drastically
00:06:40dionoeathis one ?
00:06:49amiconndionoea:
00:06:50dionoealike - 0x3000 ?
00:07:01preglowlots mor
00:07:02preglowe
00:07:10amiconnpreglow: Not drastically. Just enough to make it fit
00:07:30amiconnOtherwise archos would end up with a tiny buffer
00:07:39amiconn..or we would need a separate formula
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00:08:37dionoeawell 0x3000 works ... should i try to find the lowest possible value ?
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00:10:06amiconnDon't bother doing a too fine-grained search. 0x2800 should work as well, that's 2KB less than 0x3000
00:10:26dionoeaok, i'll keep it at 3000 then
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00:13:57dionoeatime to go sleep. Good night
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00:16:53lookingforhelpI still dont have a debain folder...
00:17:02Paul_The_NerdDebian
00:17:12Paul_The_NerdTwo slashes
00:17:15Paul_The_Nerd \\Debian
00:17:20lookingforhelpI know
00:17:25lookingforhelpMy computer cant find one
00:17:29Paul_The_NerdWell, you've typed it "debain" twice in here
00:18:05lookingforhelpI need a username and password :P
00:18:10preglowuser
00:18:11preglowand 'rockbox'
00:18:15preglowin that order
00:18:18preglowwith that case
00:18:29lookingforhelpOoh
00:18:34lookingforhelpThanks so much it worked!
00:18:54lookingforhelpCan i put my patches in here and patch up the CVS with vmware?
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00:19:29preglowsure
00:19:45preglowyou've now got a fully qualified developer environment
00:20:14preglowPaul_The_Nerd: what, smb is case-sensitive?
00:20:22lookingforhelpWow
00:20:41Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: He had the I and A transposed
00:20:42Mikachupreglow: it differentiates between ai and ia
00:21:26preglowPaul_The_Nerd: yes, also, i am blind
00:22:15Mikachutoo much beer?
00:22:32preglowno, that just makes me go cross-eyed, not blind
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00:24:55preglowanyway
00:24:57preglowsleep time
00:25:00preglowhave a blast
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00:27:47amiconnpreglow: Username isn't case sensitive with windows networking. Password is, of course
00:30:06lookingforhelpThanks again you guys, it worked for me. Maybe I'll write a tutorial on the forums
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00:35:38amiconnIf someone with an fm recorder or recorder v2 is around - please test the latest bleeding edge (whether the battery symbol & charging animation are working as intended)
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00:44:14haibanehi guys
00:45:02haibanequick question for anyone who knows about the album art stuff. I get my album art to show up, but all my text is all over. What patch do I need for that?
00:45:26Paul_The_NerdScroll Margins
00:46:06haibanethanks man
00:46:09haibaneand hello again
00:46:14PaulJamit can also be that you use the wrong font
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00:52:03haibaneoh
00:52:04haibanehmm
00:52:24haibanemake[1]: *** [/home/haibane/rockbox-devel/build/apps/screens.o] Error 1
00:52:24haibanemake: *** [all] Error 2
00:52:40haibanethat is what I get when I do the compile with the current scroll margins build
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00:52:51haibaneit also has errors on certain hulks
00:53:04Mikachuoh no, watch out for the hulk
00:53:09haibanehaha
00:53:12Paul_The_NerdWell, since the patch didn't apply cleanly, that's probably why it doesn't compile.
00:53:20haibaneright
00:53:55haibanedo I have to clean out what I have in order for it to compile in the future or is there someway to remove the damage the patch did?
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00:54:27Paul_The_NerdWas it patch -r or patch -R the patchfile?
00:54:30Mikachu-R
00:54:35Paul_The_NerdDoes case matter?
00:54:39Mikachuyes
00:54:47Paul_The_NerdAlrighty, patch -R -p0 blah.patch
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00:54:49Mikachu-r is another option
00:54:58Mikachusomething about the reject file
00:55:20Paul_The_NerdApparently it's been a while since I removed a patch.
00:55:29haibanehaha
00:55:34haibanenice
00:55:45Mikachuin the future, use −−dry-run to save time
00:56:22haibanewhat do you mean?
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00:56:48Genre9mp3I would do this: cvs diff -u > *.diff & then: patch -R < *.diff
00:57:18Mikachui would do cvs diff -u | patch -R -p0
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00:58:21Genre9mp3yes... I forgot the -p)
00:58:26Genre9mp3-p0
00:59:01haibanecvs diff: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option
00:59:01haibanecvs [diff aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable.
00:59:17haibanethat is what I get when I do the recommended by mikachu
00:59:55Genre9mp3haibane: you should be in the source root dir when you type that
01:00
01:00:08haibaneah ok
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01:01:43haibaneI wish the stupid scrolling margins worked though lol
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01:02:54Genre9mp3haibane: you can make it work...
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01:04:20haibaneand I can program too
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01:17:17Genre9mp3\o/ Yuppie!!! I got my first conflicts on CVS update! :)
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01:21:04midkayamiconn?
01:21:28amiconnyes?
01:21:32P-NuTHi all. I saw the screenshots of rockbox, does it come with colors not monochrome?
01:21:48midkay"Two-colour animation kept for non-b&w targets.'
01:21:51midkaywhat does that mean?
01:22:45amiconnSlasheri added two-colour animation for iriver (and afaiu it also works on ipod video)
01:23:11midkay*puzzled* didn't see the update..
01:23:22amiconnBattery symbol is filled up to the current charge level with black (or fg colour)
01:23:39amiconnThe animation move from this level to 100% in grey
01:23:42amiconn*moves
01:23:47midkayah, nice idea.
01:23:54P-NuTpffft.
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01:24:13amiconnI kept that, and extended the start-from-current level idea to the b&w targets
01:24:31midkayamiconn, useful change :) k, thanks for clarification.
01:24:35amiconn..including player
01:24:49amiconn..which was completely broken by Slasheri's change
01:24:57midkayhaha.
01:25:14amiconnI'll change some more things
01:25:39midkaycool. :)
01:25:40amiconnFirst of all, all targets that support charging will get a charging state indication
01:25:58amiconn..even those which can't monitor the charging itself
01:26:10amiconn..other than by checking the voltage
01:26:48amiconnOnly the number of states will differ depending on th elevel of charging control
01:27:07pilldid something unexpected happen to the fonts?
01:27:34midkaycool..
01:27:43midkaypill, other than them being moved to a new zip like a month ago..
01:27:48midkayno, not that i know of.
01:28:24amiconnIpods other than the video need some more work
01:40:50dprore
01:48:38XavierGrah nice to know that the VMware image comes handy for newcomers :)
01:49:24XavierGrThe network issue is killing me though, if the network settings in host are weird, then //debian/user will not work.
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01:58:14haibaneso since I haven't said much in a while... anyone know of an alternative to scrolling margins?
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02:11:12Genre9mp3haibane: There isn't
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02:16:20ts-xhaibane: You can adjust the line spacing so that the tag items appear just past the album art, but you won't be able to scroll...
02:24:11Genre9mp3haibane: if you want to use the scroll margins patch you have to insert manually the rejected parts of the patch
02:24:43Genre9mp32 conflicts to xerw...
02:25:06Genre9mp3ooops...
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02:25:10Genre9mp3sorry
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02:32:31haibanesorry forgot this was open how do you adjust the line spacings?
02:33:26haibaneand what do you mean I wouldn't be able to scroll
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02:55:28ts-xhaibaine: I mean physically inserting whatever amount of spaces are required to space past the album art for each tag line e.g. ' %ia' etc.
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02:56:20ts-xThat method would space it properly - you just wouldn't be able to scroll (or the tags would scroll over the album art)
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04:02:01JdGordongah, never try streaming video over a 10mbit connection :p
04:02:43JdGordonsorry.. scratch that.. never try watching video over XDMCP over a 10mbit connection..
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05:44:59haiyaiHi
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06:01:08haiyaihi
06:01:41NicPhi
06:01:42NicP:D
06:01:48Xinuxheya
06:02:35haiyaiwhats up?
06:03:54NicPnot a lot
06:04:01NicPprocrastinating
06:04:04NicPstudy sucks :(
06:04:18haiyaiI here that
06:05:54haiyaiare you guys working on the port?
06:06:47NicPnope
06:06:53NicPnot me
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06:09:12haiyaido you use rockbox
06:20:04NicPi dont have an ipod yet
06:20:11NicPso no
06:20:22NicP(or any other dap for that matter)
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07:00:39JdGordonmarkun is the gigabeat man
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07:10:33Brunellushi all; I'm running the daily CVS build on an iRiver H340. Some high-bitrate oggs are not playing...is this a known issue?
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07:24:36sharpemorning everyone...
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07:32:09Brunellus I'm running the daily CVS build on an iRiver H340. Some high-bitrate oggs are not playing...is this a known issue?
07:33:51JdGordontry asking once more... maybe ppl will give an answer then :p
07:35:12markunBrunellus: Q10?
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07:35:24Brunellusmarkun, not sure, but probably something like that
07:35:26Brunellussorry JdGordon
07:36:14BrunellusI have lower-q oggs that do play fine, but lately I nudged the q up on the last several I've been encoding, and rockbox chokes. the iriver factory firmware plays them just fine.
07:37:05markunDidn't think the H340 would have problems with it. Do you have EQ enabled?
07:37:34Brunellusin rockbox?
07:37:40markunyes
07:37:41Brunellusnot sure. I hadn't touched it.
07:39:17BrunellusEQ is not enabled.
07:39:18markunbtw, maybe a lossless encoding is more for you if you like very high quality and bitrates, but that doesn't solve the real problem of you oggs not playing of course.
07:39:45Brunellusmarkun, I'm starting to come around to that. Unfortunately, it's many many discs too late...
07:40:18markunYou don't have the CD's anymore?
07:40:32BrunellusI do, but ripping/reencoding would be a major pain
07:40:51markunBut not 'too' late
07:40:52BrunellusI have about 3400 oggs.
07:41:35Brunellusare q10 ogg vorbis files simply not supported yet?
07:42:09markunI thought they were, but perhaps not.
07:42:33Brunelluswhen I try to play one of the affected files, it shows (root) (root), the filename, O:00/0:00 ?kBit (no id)
07:42:59Brunellusattempting to play the file directly has rockbox skipping to the next and showing the spanner in the top-right
07:44:14markunI'll make a q10 file and try it
07:44:21sharpei don't use oggs... :\
07:44:56markunsharpe: great
07:45:12Brunellusmarkun, just so you know, I'm using oggenc
07:45:22markunme too
07:45:34Brunelluswould you like the oggenc commandline options?
07:45:40markunok
07:45:55Brunellus-o %m -a %a -l %d -t %n -d %y -G %G -b %b %w -N %t
07:46:09Brunellusno wait, that's not right.
07:47:12markunYou set the bitrate by hand?
07:47:20sharpeomaaldtndyggbbwnt... that's an odd word.
07:47:40Brunellusmarkun, yes
07:47:45Brunellusbitrate was at 192
07:48:15markunThat should be way less than q10
07:48:54Brunellusthought so. q6 maybe?
07:49:29markunLet me check
07:49:34Brunellusstill doesn't make them any more usable by rockbox.
07:49:52markunyes, q6
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07:50:14Brunellusyup. still not usable, though
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08:57:15wehnDoes anyone know of how to bring up the file tree context menu (with delete etc) using the H100 remote?
08:59:05wehnholding Navi on the main does it, but the remote key with all the corresponding fuctions (Navi/menu/preset) doesn't seem to do it.
08:59:58amiconnHold play
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09:01:06wehnexcellent, thanks. (don't know how i missed it)
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10:08:28JdGordonhey LinusN, did u see my logf stuff on the ml?
10:09:01LinusNyes i did, i just haven't had time to review it?
10:09:33B4gderyou really should write better mails JdGordon
10:09:46B4gderas they complained on
10:10:05JdGordonbah, ill pretend english isnt my 1st language :D
10:10:11B4gderwell
10:10:23B4gderyou won't be taken seriously when you write like a little kid
10:10:34B4gderimho
10:10:36JdGordonbah!
10:10:51B4gderand I'm not even a native enlgish speaker/reader
10:11:16B4gderyou can bah, I don't think that changes much
10:11:34B4gderI'm only telling you what I think, you're free to ignore
10:11:43Paul_The_NerdIt's true that many people lose interest in an email as soon as they see that sort of writing.
10:11:53B4gderI do
10:11:56JdGordoncmon.. its not that bad it is?
10:12:20B4gderas I said, you won't get the attention you want it to get
10:12:51Paul_The_NerdIt's also not that hard to type out full words, and pay just a little bit more attention when you write. It's a matter of the fact that many people will make assumptions about you based on the face you present.
10:12:54B4gderthe better english and correct spelling and grammer you use, the more people will read it and the better you and your ideas will appear
10:13:05Paul_The_NerdIn the real world it's how you look, what you wear. On the internet, it's how clearly you express yourself in most cases.
10:13:52B4gderbesides
10:13:58JdGordonDate: 03-Jun-2006 23:53 <- my excuse... who can be expecte to write properly @ midnight?
10:14:11Paul_The_NerdIt's 3 AM where I am right now. :-P
10:14:12B4gderpeople who are bad at english have an even harder time to read "weird" english
10:14:17*JdGordon goes to kill english teachers for making me not give 2 shits about the english language :D
10:14:34*petur sends Paul_The_Nerd to bed
10:14:53Paul_The_Nerdpetur: In all fairness, I just woke up. I fell asleep far too early.
10:15:01B4gderhaha
10:15:05peturrofl
10:15:17peturwell goodmorning then ;)
10:15:47preglowroflmorning
10:16:02Paul_The_NerdI'm taking a C/C++ course over the summer, more to fill in some credits than anything, and ended up staying up all night a few nights ago knocking out the whole semester's homework.
10:16:19Paul_The_NerdAnd that's of course thrown everything off.
10:16:23ashridahJdGordon: contrary to popular opinion, it isn't an english teachers job to make sure you can read and write english properly.
10:16:32ashridahthat should really be done well before you get to high school
10:16:55preglowi learned my english from c64 games and computer magazines :P
10:17:02ashridahthe english teacher's supposed to encourage critical analysis and form, not spelling, grammar and coherency :)
10:17:29JdGordon... whatever...
10:17:39JdGordonoh noes!! i used unnescacery dots!
10:17:56B4gderunnescacery dots, yes ,-)
10:18:43ashridahunnecessary Ellipsis you mean? :)
10:20:02*ashridah installs ubuntu amd64
10:20:15peturI even hate spelling mistakes and typos in program comments ;)
10:20:31*JdGordon just installed dapper on this comp... MUCH faster than breezy
10:23:01JdGordonso anyway, whats the story with 3.0?
10:24:55Paul_The_NerdIt's not out yet?
10:27:37Paul_The_NerdHonestly, I'm starting to lean in favour of cancelling the freeze. "Due to certain currently unfixable showstopper bugs, 3.0 has been cancelled. Once the H300 power issue is resolved and TagCache functions more fully, we will re-enter a bug-fixing freeze with the intent of releasing 3.0. Until these issues are fixed, though, the freeze is stopping progress more than it is encouraging bug fixing." Or something like that.
10:28:00B4gderI agree
10:28:12Paul_The_NerdIt seems the fairest way to treat it.
10:28:55JdGordonthat does just mean more bugs down the track when u want to try the freeze again.
10:28:58Paul_The_NerdThen, before re-entering the freeze, we can go through the tracker and create a specific checklist of bugs. Of course, new ones will be found during it, but that way work isn't happening on getting features like TagCache integrated.
10:29:15Paul_The_NerdAnd while the playback rewrite is awesome, I think it added a lot of delay into the freeze because it did introduce a lot of bugs along the way.
10:29:27nudelyn<hypnosis>album art should be in 3.0 as well, and i want a helicopter</>
10:32:39Paul_The_NerdDoesn't the album art patch currently introduce bugs into tagcache?
10:33:33nudelynYeah, I think it's all messed up at the moment. Well, last I looked, which was a while ago as I figure 3.0 will have to happen first before album art is in CVS anyway. (I wasn't being serious that AA should be in 3.0, just daydreaming.)
10:34:36Paul_The_NerdWell, if the feature freeze were to get released, it would become a possibility, but I mean, it'd have to not knowingly increase the count of bugs. :)
10:35:43nudelynyeah, and given the complications so far that's unlikely.
10:38:30nudelynI tihnk helicopters can cause crashes too :(
10:38:45Paul_The_NerdThose are much more of the "serious injury" to "lethal" category
10:40:22LinusNi worked some on the power issue yesterday
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10:40:31Paul_The_NerdAny news?
10:40:53LinusNnot really, but i traced a few more signals, and i might have found some good clues for petur
10:41:12Paul_The_NerdThat's good at least.
10:41:15*petur jumps in the air
10:41:24LinusNlook at PortPinAssignments
10:41:33*petur gets strange looks from coworkers
10:42:25peturWHOA
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10:43:56peturwould be nice to know for sure what GPIO pins 28 and 29 do
10:44:32LinusNok
10:46:27amiconnWee, hi LinusN :)
10:46:28peturbut the reset and d_suspend pins are *great* info
10:48:08LinusNpetur: i fiddled a little with those pins, and suddenly it consumed 300mA instead of 100mA :-)
10:48:21peturduh
10:48:26JdGordonhaha.. no we r trying to reduce power usage.. :p
10:48:28amiconnLinusN: Did you find out which chip consumes the extra power?
10:48:33LinusNno
10:48:47LinusNand it annoys me
10:48:48peturyou probably activated the charge-pump ;)
10:48:50perplexitygood for a raipd deep cycle battery test then :)
10:48:56amiconnOk, so I'll try to find some time and do some temp measurements tonight
10:48:57LinusNhaha
10:49:24amiconnStill have that infrared thermometer available :)
10:49:35perplexitycould even add a "pocket warmer" config entry..
10:51:24amiconnLinusN: Do you know which combination triggered the even higher consumption?
10:52:58*amiconn already knew about gpio5 from the disassembly
10:53:07amiconnShould have documented it :/
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11:08:22LinusNamiconn: when i negated the reset and the suspend pins
11:19:32peturWhy negate the reset? also, negating d_suspend wakes up the isp1362, so I'm not surprised by the power increase
11:20:58LinusNof course, that's what i wanted to accomplish
11:21:13peturok :)
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11:27:26*LinusN is charging his new ipod
11:28:06markunLinusN: which one?
11:28:18LinusNvideo 60gb
11:28:42preglow\o/
11:28:54preglowconfetti time!
11:28:59LinusNi just couldn't resist
11:29:13B4gdermp3holic
11:29:27preglowthey practically give them away these days too
11:29:39LinusNwee, finally white earbuds - a fashion statement! :-)
11:29:45preglowhaha
11:29:50peturmeeeh
11:38:01Genre9mp3LinusN: First impressions?
11:38:55LinusNnone really, i just packed it up and charging it for the first time
11:39:04LinusNthe form factor is nice
11:39:09LinusNlarge screen
11:39:36preglowthe screen is nice indeed
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11:42:16tucozNow that the webmasters are here. Do you agree with preglow that we should keep the ipod-installer etc in a safe area. That is, not in the wiki. To prevent abuse
11:42:55Rickwritelock the page?
11:43:04Paul_The_NerdThere's not an official ipod installer yet...
11:43:12tucozAs it is now, anyone can upload a root-kit installer with the same name as the ipod-installer
11:43:38peturhttp://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/06/07/nvidia_mobilemedia_play/
11:44:18Paul_The_NerdAt the moment anyone can upload anything and claim it's an installer, and we wouldn't know until someone reports back that it isn't.
11:44:42Paul_The_NerdOnce there's an official installer, it'll probably be available at the daily build page anyway, which qualifies as 'protected'
11:44:54tucozPaul_The_Nerd, exactly. That is why I propose a www.rockbox.org/installers or something like that
11:45:05tucozit's not everyday those files are updated after all
11:45:20tucozand mainly by key-contributors
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11:46:15Paul_The_NerdI don't understand the point exactly...
11:46:20Paul_The_NerdThe only existing installer is the 2.5 one, right?
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11:46:51tucozI wouldn't know. My point is just that the installers/patchers should be kept safe.
11:47:05Paul_The_NerdWell... aren't they already?
11:47:09pekujaIs it true that there will be no new features in version 3.0? This makes me wonder, why does it count as a major release if there are no new features?
11:47:19Paul_The_Nerdpekuja: Compare it to 2.5
11:47:20tucozUnoffical or official doesn't matter.
11:47:26B4gderpekuja: there are numerous new features
11:47:36pekujaok, I must have misunderstood then
11:47:40B4gderits just a matter of what "new" is
11:47:45Paul_The_Nerdpekuja: There is nothing new relative to say... today's daily
11:47:46tucozpekuja, new targets
11:48:06pekujaPaul_The_Nerd, haha, well you'd think that was kind of obvious :-)
11:48:16B4gderwell, 3.0 features like 8 new music formats compared to 2.5 ;-)
11:48:20Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: So you're saying, forbid people from uploading installers to the wiki, and require them to do it through us? They're just gonna host 'em offsite then, because even now the wiki is too much hassle for most of 'em.
11:48:39pekujaI was just thinking because I remember someone commenting something like "I can't believe people still think there will be new features in 3.0"
11:48:57tucozPaul_The_Nerd, no. I am just saying that the installers provided by rockbox should not go through the wiki.
11:49:07B4gderpekuja: yes, new features compare to the daily builds I believe
11:49:23Paul_The_Nerdpekuja: It's not to a LOT of people, oddly enough. There's this impression going around that "Rockbox 3" is going to solve all the world's problems, and people seem to not realize that all the code that's done is already in CVS, and that it's just a daily build with the 3.0 stamp attached to it saying "We dub this release quality."
11:49:33Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: They already don't. Problem solved. :)
11:49:56preglowthe manual has wiki installer tool links
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11:50:03Paul_The_NerdHm
11:50:07Paul_The_NerdThat's not good then.
11:50:13preglowbeing my point
11:50:15Paul_The_Nerdpekuja: I suspect you may be quoting me.
11:50:24tucozwell, they could. That is my point. What if Han Solo uploads a root-kit installer to the wiki late at night
11:50:35Paul_The_Nerdpekuja: In which case, yes, I meant "relative to what's available right now" as opposed to "Compared to the previous release version"
11:50:38preglowand no matter if we write protect a page, there might be wiki bugs
11:50:48pekujaPaul_The_Nerd, hehe, I might. it was on this channel I think, and the person was pointing to a forum post about 3.0
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11:51:22Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: Yeah, but as I said if there's a protected installer page, people are gonna just host installers offsite because it's easier. Have you noticed how many iPod installers are hosted elsewhere?
11:51:24tucozAnd the manual points to that file. Hurray. then we have OMFG, ROCKBOX INSTALLED A ROOT-KIT
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11:51:44Paul_The_NerdHave the manual point to the official "Downloads" page
11:52:10tucozPaul_The_Nerd, I don't care about the installers hosted elsewhere. I care about the "official" ones.
11:52:14tucozprovided by rockbox
11:52:24tucozofficial != released
11:52:29Paul_The_Nerdtucoz: You said unofficial installers as well.
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11:52:53tucozwell, I meant unofficial as in not released
11:52:57Paul_The_NerdThe _only_ official installer right now is the windows installer for 2.5
11:53:01Paul_The_NerdAt rockbox.org/download
11:53:05tucozhehe
11:53:12Paul_The_NerdReleased or not
11:53:15Paul_The_NerdIt's the only one supported
11:53:28tucozOk. The iriver patcher then
11:53:33Paul_The_Nerdfwpatcher.exe?
11:53:37tucozyes
11:53:44webguest43hi all
11:54:00preglowthat needs work, btw
11:54:09Paul_The_NerdThat's a rather different category than installer...
11:54:20Paul_The_NerdFor that you have fwpatcher.exe ipod_fw.exe and ipodpatcher.exe, at least
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11:54:27bluebrothermaybe the fwpatcher / ipodpatcher stuff should be located somewhere outside of the wiki? Say, on rockbox.org/tools?
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11:54:45Paul_The_NerdAll those are available in the source, but yeah, off the downloads page there should be precompiled windows versions of the tools perhaps
11:54:46tucozbluebrother, that is what I am trying to say. But, I failed somehow
11:55:04tucozI mixed up installer with patcher
11:55:23bluebrotherah, ok. Let's hope I was clear enough ;-)
11:55:27tucozhehe
11:55:48bluebrotherand, saying this, also including all installers that are officially supported by rockbox.
11:56:02bluebrotherI'm still thinking of a web updater wizard.
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12:06:11*JdGordon is bored and has an hour o kill.. who's got ideas?
12:06:28preglowfix the resampler clicking bug
12:06:32dprohihi
12:06:39bluebrotheryou could read this incredible bug discussion: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316654
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12:07:13dproJdGordon: and optimize it enough while you're at it so the dropouts disappear
12:07:35bluebrotherI'd like to have an optimized ogg codec :)
12:07:41*JdGordon knows nothing bout the playback code..
12:07:51JdGordonsif use gnome :D
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12:08:36dpropreglow: with the cpu boosted by hand I didn't get any dropouts yet (with wav though, mp3 still has dropouts)
12:08:49tucozJdGordon, you could fix the iriver radio to have two separate frequency bands (japanese/restoftheworld)
12:08:53tucoz:)
12:09:00preglowdpro: doesn't surprise me
12:09:08preglowwell, it does a bit
12:09:13preglowdepends on your boost factor
12:09:19JdGordonjapan uses a different frequncy band?
12:09:32JdGordonisnt every1 between 86ish-109ish?
12:09:49preglowdpro: what is the trend on the pcm buffer debug meter when it happens, btw? does it decrease slowly all the time until it suddenly hits bottom, then gaps?
12:09:58preglowJdGordon: not different, just bigger, afaik
12:10:09tucozJdGordon, I think japan starts at 72 or something
12:10:28JdGordonthere is a patch on FS to get everything from 27 all the way to the end..
12:10:51bluebrothercool: http://www.elephantsdream.org/
12:10:55dpropreglow: when I actually managed to look at it while seeing a dropout (that occur fairly irregularly) it was like you describe
12:11:07preglowthen it's a simple cpu usage problem
12:11:08preglownothing i can do
12:11:12preglowapart from optimise more
12:11:20tucozJdGordon, but the chip in the iriver do not support sub-72 I think
12:11:29preglowsame problem as with eq gapping
12:12:03dpropreglow: yeah I noticed that I could worsen the problem by using eq, crossfeed etc ...
12:12:16tucozhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_band
12:12:29JdGordongrr... it uses the headfones for the aerial... but i always have it plugged into line out.. no wonder i count get radion at the footy on sunday :'(
12:12:41preglowdpro: then it's not really a bug as such, just a known issue
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12:13:07dpropreglow: but if I get the dropouts with wave also it's the resampler not being fast enough ?
12:14:08dpropreglow: well doesn't really change the annoyance factor if it's a "known issue" ;)
12:14:36Paul_The_NerdYeah, but optimizations are kinda low priority compared to other things.
12:15:16JdGordontucoz: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5448
12:15:48tucozah. I see. But the chip in the h1xx is different
12:16:11tucozor maybe not
12:16:14tucoz?
12:16:16JdGordoni dont think so..
12:16:44tucozWell, that patch looks interesting. Thanks for the link
12:16:50linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: What was edited out of the first post here? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4678.0 You talk about the original poster modifying the Apple firmware in your reply, but the original post doesn't mention that...
12:17:41Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: He changed his deep sleep time to 15 minutes
12:18:01Paul_The_NerdHe talked about it on another thread, then created this one to complain more, and leave out information
12:18:56Paul_The_NerdI'll admit it's a valid danger, but it's not an issue that comes up unless you leave your iPod unattended plugged into a wall until it enters deep sleep, which is usually much more than "15 minutes after charging is done"
12:20:03linuxstbI've just read the other thread...
12:21:47Paul_The_NerdFeel free to comment. I fear I may have been a little one-sided, and my intent was really to clarify that it wasn't actually Rockbox that caused the problem directly. The second thread was originally titled "rockbox destroyed power units of ipod" and I felt it was a little overly blame-placing.
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12:24:18sputnikHello!!! Anybody home?
12:24:31Paul_The_NerdOften
12:25:01sputnikCool! Got a BIG problem, and I'm hoping someone can help
12:25:30sputnikI've got an Archos Jukebox Recorder, with Rockbox loaded in the firmware
12:26:15sputnikLast night, I upgraded to v2.5...now I get the "*PANIC* Stkov main" bug, and I CAN'T figure out how to fix it
12:26:25sputnikWhat am I missing?
12:27:39tucozsputnik, the 2.5 version is close to 10 months old. Maybe you would want to try a daily?
12:28:06sputnikI'd love to. Unfortunately, I can't update the machine now. I can't access it under USB
12:29:11sputnikI can't find any documentation about a hard reset for the Jukebox Recorder. But pressing F1 while starting DOES bring up the original firmware...except that's crippled, so I still can't get USB to function.
12:29:18linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I don't think the poster was complaining about Rockbox in either of his posts - he just stated what happened. (I don't know what his original topic subject was though). But even without his modification to the Apple firmware, I still think it's a nasty bug (Rockbox not knowing the difference between disk mode and charging and going into an endless reboot cycle), so will try and investigate.
12:31:21linuxstb(sorry, just re-read your previous post where you quoted his original subject line).
12:31:44tucozbluebrother, when I optv inside a code-block I get a space inserted where the opt is. Do you know how to fix this?
12:32:00Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb:But yeah, no doubt it's a dangerous bug. Most people find out about the endless loop by plugging into wall power, having it cycle a couple times, then asking in the forums "How do I make it not do this". I know Kamalneet knew about that bug, so he knew the dangers, so I'm a little less tolerant of how he phrased the title.
12:32:23Paul_The_NerdBut the sooner the fixed, the better.
12:33:00Paul_The_NerdIf I recall, Mikachu or Midkay (I remember the M, the I, and a K somewhere in it) had a patch that caused the iPod to never reboot on USB-detect, just charge, and it had "Disk Mode" and "Retail Firmware" options in the menu instead.
12:33:21Mikachuthat would be me
12:33:33Mikachui inverted the BUTTON_MENU check
12:35:13Mikachuand the retail firmware thing was a patch i got from someone else
12:35:29Mikachui don't have these changes separated out but i can make a full diff of my tree if you want
12:35:42Paul_The_NerdThat's not quite what I was talking about though
12:36:06Mikachui know, just saying
12:38:10linuxstbThe first thing to try though would be to see if the USB detection can be improved, so we don't reboot when the AC charger is inserted.
12:38:30Mikachu(i don't have an ac charger)
12:39:09linuxstbI do, so I'll be able to investigate.
12:39:50sputnikSo if I can't access USB under the old Archos firmware, and the Rockbox firmware is locked up, how to I update the machine now?
12:40:18Paul_The_NerdWhat's preventing access under the old Archos firwmare?
12:40:28Paul_The_NerdPretend I can spell properly
12:40:58sputnikI don't know. I boot up under it, the USB icon comes up, but my computer never recognizes it.
12:41:28sputnikSince I was just using the same connection LAST NIGHT under Rockbox, I'm assuming there's something wrong with the Archos firmware's use of the USB for some reason
12:43:28preglowlinuxstb: i had a look at it
12:43:42preglowUSB_STATUS at least gave no indication that it differed between power and usb
12:43:51linuxstbAnd the GPIO ports?
12:44:10Paul_The_Nerdsputnik: Unfortunately, I really know very little about the Archoses. I'm still working on getting my hands on one.
12:44:11linuxstb(I remember you trying now...)
12:44:26preglowmyep
12:44:34preglowa gpio pin did flip on power
12:44:39preglowbut no difference that i could see there either
12:44:54sputnikPaul: it's okay. I was hoping someone would have a slap-my-forehead answer for me, but it was kind of a long shot.
12:45:52Paul_The_Nerdsputnik: Have you tried resetting the settings? I assume there's a button to hold while booting to do that, similar to the newer ports?
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12:46:45sputnikPaul: I think it's holding F1 while turning power on, but it just reverts back to Rockbox unless the USB is plugged in.
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12:47:02sputnikAnd holding F3 while turning power on does SOMETHING, but certainly doesn't seem to reset settings.
12:47:16sputnikSo I'm stumped.
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12:49:29Paul_The_Nerdsputnik: Well, I thought you were talking about getting the stkov error when trying to get into Rockbox... is it when trying to USB connect after that or something?
12:50:38sputnikI get the stkov error EVERY TIME I start the Archos...unless it's connected by USB cable when I power up while holding the F1 button. Then, and only then, it reverts to the Archos firmware for USB, which apparently doesn't work.
12:51:04amiconnsputnik: You should always get usb access when booting the recorder with the usb cable already in
12:51:28amiconnArchos usb should also work
12:51:35sputnikamiconn: I thought so. But it's not happening.
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12:52:32amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: There is no button for settings reset on archos
12:52:57sputnikamiconn: Thanks. That's what I needed to know.
12:53:09sputnikBlimey! Fifteenth time's the charm! I just got the USB up.
12:53:19Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Thank you
12:53:40amiconnWhen rockbox is flashed, F1 will start the archos firmware, F2 starts rockbox (same as no button at all) and F3 starts minimon
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12:54:01sputnikAh! What's minimon?
12:54:08amiconnThe archos firmware in turn looks for an .ajz on disk and loads that if it finds it
12:54:25linuxstbpreglow: I've just done some quick tests on my 5g, and there doesn't appear to be any GPIO differences there either.
12:54:50amiconnMinimon is a rescue software that allows accessing the box when the flashrom is almost completely garbled
12:54:59amiconnIt requires the serial mod to use it
12:55:06preglowlinuxstb: bloody annoying
12:55:09amiconn(a comparatively simple mod)
12:55:39preglowlinuxstb: i wonder what's going on with USB_SATTUS when you insert, though, it seems to go through quite a few state changes here
12:55:43amiconnpreglow: There must be some kind of difference, as retailos is able to differentiate
12:55:58preglowamiconn: sure
12:56:06amiconnI cannot test as I don't have a separate charger, just the usb cable
12:57:37sputnikPhew! I'm back in business! Thanks, guys!
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13:04:07Jungti1234hi
13:04:58amiconnsputnik: I'd recommend updating to a recent daily build
13:09:09preglowamiconn: me neither
13:09:19preglowi had a mate of mine with a power adapter check too
13:12:35linuxstbpreglow: Did you try testing in Apple's diagnostics mode?
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13:18:44linuxstbThere seem to be two options (called USB DP and USB DN under Power/A2DTests) which are 0 when connected to a computer (or not connected at all), and numbers in the range 300-500 when connected via an AC adapter. I'm guessing "DP" and "DN" mean "Data Positive" and "Data Negative".
13:20:57preglowhmm
13:20:59preglowno, i did not
13:21:49preglowi don't seem to have that either
13:22:50preglowusbpwr_det, hmm
13:26:02preglowthe diag code might benefit from some disassembly
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13:31:04Genre9mp3What happened to the tracker???
13:31:25Genre9mp3Warning: mysql_connect():
13:31:32Genre9mp3:(
13:31:53Zagori'm upgrading the server. back up in a minute.
13:32:19Genre9mp3oh, ok
13:33:12preglowtime to _PANIC_
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13:35:32Zagorback now
13:36:44tucozis viewcvs working properly again now?
13:37:55Zagorno, we still run the old version
13:38:01tucozok
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13:42:45B4gderviewvc it is these days
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13:50:29*JdGordon is bored again
13:50:31peturhahaha JdGordon... nice reply :)
13:50:46JdGordonthe 2.5" h300 hdd thread?
13:50:53peturyeah
13:50:56JdGordon:)
13:51:30JdGordonbeat u by 40s :D
13:51:43JdGordonno, 80s
13:51:49*petur is slightly less bored
13:56:44preglowhmm
13:56:48peturPaul_The_Nerd: regarding dualbooting irivers: people need to hold ON pressed until the iriver fw actually boots, not until the bootloader syas it will boot it...
13:56:53preglowanyone familiar with how to make doxygen realise i've got utf8 in my comments?
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13:58:11Paul_The_Nerdpetur: Wait, what exactly do they need to do?
13:58:34JdGordonhold on+rec untill the iriver os actually starts
13:58:38Paul_The_NerdAh
13:58:55Paul_The_NerdI was just using the instructions from the iRiverBoot page. I didn't realize the process was different for H300... I'm curious why it's different.
13:59:01JdGordonwell.. actually only on has to be held past "booting iriver firmware"
13:59:14JdGordonmight be wrong on the page?
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13:59:20Paul_The_NerdWhat happens if you release On?
13:59:22petuririver fw checks the on button at boot time and powers down if it doesn't see the ON button
13:59:28Paul_The_NerdAaaah
13:59:39pondlifeHi all,
13:59:48Paul_The_NerdI'll update the IriverBoot page the
13:59:50Paul_The_Nerdthen
13:59:59pondlifeDoes anyone apart from me ever use the H340 sim..?
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14:00:22*JdGordon occasionally...
14:00:39JdGordonwhats trhe prob?
14:00:55pondlifeI've long had a problem where if voicing and crossfade are enabled (and I'm running it under Windows), then playback sometimes fails with "Codec Failure"
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14:01:27pondlifeThis seems to be down to the use of _temp_codec.dll - it attempts to create a new one while the old one is still being used
14:01:40*Paul_The_Nerd has fixed the page.
14:02:04pondlifehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5511 is a patch which works around this.
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14:02:33pondlifeThis only affects the sim, but it was getting in the way of voice debugging a bit.
14:03:22pondlifeMaybe this wee mod could be considered for CVS?
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14:03:55*petur thinks the iriverboot page is now even more confusing
14:04:37Paul_The_NerdI added like two lines.
14:04:42Paul_The_Nerd:-P
14:05:20Paul_The_NerdIn all honesty though, that complexity of that page shouldn't matter anyway. Installation instructions should be available in the manual (if they aren't already) and that's what end-users should use.
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14:05:35preglowkind of naive aren't you :>
14:05:46Paul_The_NerdHehehe
14:05:49Paul_The_NerdI said *should*
14:05:54pondlifeHah, I thought Llorean was the naive one... ;)
14:05:56Paul_The_NerdAnd at the moment we don't have any H100 or H300 end-users.
14:06:16pondlifeOr just the grumpy one?
14:06:24Paul_The_NerdOh, he's quite a bit of both.
14:10:19Paul_The_NerdHe also needs to remember to buy actual breakfast food next time he's at the store.
14:10:54JdGordonget coco pops :D
14:12:29preglownah, he's too naive for breakfast
14:12:58preglowsweet lord, i'm tired
14:14:01Paul_The_NerdBah, food is food. Arbitrarily naming meals and enforcing types of food by those labels is descriminatory.
14:14:18preglowespecially to the whole digestive system!
14:14:22preglowit prefers burger at all times
14:15:35Paul_The_NerdAnd that is why McDonalds now has a 24-hour drive through window.
14:17:31preglowthey do, do they
14:17:52JdGordonand they outsourced the attendant to india..
14:18:12preglowi should stop speaking in palindromes
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14:22:17obolinuxstb: 2 gpio changes I noticed when I managed to borrow a firewire charging cable and a belkin battery pack
14:22:35obolinuxstb: GPIOB & 0x01 (F9 -> F8) and GPIOE & 0x10 (21 -> 20)
14:23:18obodoh, typo there - GPIOE & 0x01
14:23:26obothis was on a 5g
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14:30:41preglowobo: sure that doesn't happen with usb as well?
14:32:03obopreglow: not sure - haven't got one here right now :-/
14:35:51*LinusN runs rockbox on his ipod
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14:36:16peturLinusN: about time
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14:36:32LinusNhad to charge it first, you know
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14:43:22preglowobo: neither of those change on my nano :/
14:47:32obopreglow: when the belkin pack was connected but switched off it was GPIOA & 0x10 (28 -> 38)
14:47:42oboI'll check tonight what a normal USB connection does
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14:51:35LinusNpretty ok sound quality on the ipod
14:51:56LinusNtakes some time to get used to the clickwheel though
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14:56:23lowlightpondlife: I have the same problem with the sims (h120 & h320 on cygwin)..."Codec failure" on any codec change.
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14:58:32lowlightIt's failing to open archos/_temp_codec.dll in uisimulator/common/io.c line 327.
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15:00:25tucozbluebrother, do you know what the font settings for the koma-script are. I want to change the look of the front page, to something similar as the rest of the manual.
15:02:59tucozOr should I use standard tex for the frontpage to get a sans-font?
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15:08:34pondlifelowlight: Good - it's not just me then.
15:08:39bluebrothertucoz: you could try using \defaultfont
15:08:59pondlifelowlight: Maybe you could give the patch a try too... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5511
15:09:01tucozbluebrother, ok. I am reading the koma-script guide now
15:09:13bluebrotherfor the standard fonts I need to look it up, but this needs to wait a bit as I'm not at home.
15:09:18tucozI think I'll use their title-stuff
15:09:19preglowbtw, what's the status for the iaudio port?
15:09:22preglowany huge outstanding issues?
15:09:42B4gderit runs fine
15:09:45B4gderjust lacks a few bits
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15:09:51Paul_The_NerdNo proper dual boot bootloader, no radio, right?
15:09:57preglowB4gder: how's power consumption?
15:09:57B4gderyes
15:09:59B4gderand recording
15:10:07B4gderpreglow: pretty bad
15:10:24preglowso another case of h3x0-itis?
15:10:42B4gderit might be, we haven't given it much work
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15:14:59lowlightpondlife: I'll try to test it later today.
15:15:09bluebrothertucoz: is it intended you didn't use gobble on the example environment?
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15:16:02tucozbluebrother, yes. I didn't want the stripping of characters
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15:16:37bluebrotherok. I thought it was a nice idea to require indentation of code paragraphs ;-)
15:16:47tucozIf the example is written without leading spaces, the first characters are stripped
15:17:23pondlifelowlight: ok - you'll soon find out that the sim can be crashed rather easily (not because of the patch either)
15:17:35tucozBut, we could of course add that and force indentation by the writer
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15:18:02bluebrotherit seems there are some leading spaces in some example environments
15:18:17bluebrotherwhich will be typesetted as spaces, of course.
15:18:46tucozYes, there are. But, in case a writer forgets to indent the leading characters are not stripped
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15:19:20tucozI don't know what is the best thing to do.
15:19:35bluebrotherhmm. I think we should simply require the writer to look after this (which is the reason why I added that as note to the macro)
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15:20:27tucozOk. I can change it then
15:21:14tucozI hope you don't mind the adjustments I did to your code-env
15:21:57bluebrotherI guess not ;-) I was playing around with them a bit yesterday, but as I'm not at home I can't see how your changes look. Will do that later.
15:22:08tucozok
15:23:27tucozif gobble = 4, do I have to indent 4 spaces?
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15:26:00bluebrothertucoz: you have to indent with 4 characters as 4 characters are stripped, thus yes.
15:26:07tucoz:)
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15:28:45tucozbluebrother, http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/rockbox-build.pdf
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15:30:54bluebrothertucoz, looks nice :)
15:31:06tucozgood :) Less dense
15:31:33bluebrotherI thought about the line numbering in the code environment, maybe it's better to remove them or at least only number each 5th line or so.
15:32:30tucozyes. that is perhaps better. fancyverb is a cool package
15:32:44bluebrotherprobably typing all wps tags (like %xl, Advanced Topics / Using Images) would also be better. Like \code-ing it.
15:33:39bluebrotheras in the wps tags chapter.
15:33:58tucozwith the config macro?
15:34:13bluebrotheryes.
15:34:22bluebrotherI'd try it at least.
15:34:45tucozI'll save that for later ;-). Got to go now.
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15:35:31B4gderPaul_The_Nerd: I fixed that dl link so it works now
15:38:12Paul_The_NerdNo more sync issues?
15:38:26B4gderI ran a sync manually
15:38:40Paul_The_NerdWhen I clicked on the link, it worked though..
15:38:51Paul_The_NerdLike, immediately when his email came out.
15:38:53B4gderyes, then I had fixed it
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15:38:59B4gderbecause I had already noticed the error
15:39:01Paul_The_NerdAh
15:39:02B4gderbefore his mail
15:39:05Paul_The_NerdGotcha
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15:42:58XavierGrB4gder: any good news with the new company that wants rockbox, or it is still early for that?
15:44:43Genre9mp3XavierGr: It's SanDisk, right?
15:45:25XavierGryes
15:45:54Paul_The_NerdLooking at pictures of it and everything, I find myself kinda wanting an e200 series...
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15:49:16Genre9mp3The SD card reader is quite interesting I can tell...
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15:52:04Paul_The_NerdAnd replaceable rechargeable battery, 6 gigs of flash on the high capacity model, and for some reason I really like the idea of a glowing blue wheel that actually turns.
15:52:12B4gderXavierGr: no news to report on that front
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15:53:03JdGordonglowing blue wheel that actually turns. <- ?
15:53:39Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/Image/DigitalAudioPlayers/Sansa-e200_straight.jpg
15:53:57Paul_The_NerdSimilar to the clickwheel I believe
15:53:57JdGordoncool
15:54:10B4gderand the screen is rotated gigabeat-style
15:54:26Paul_The_NerdWhat do you call that button at the bottom of the wheel?
15:54:29Paul_The_NerdI can't pronounce that.
15:54:53B4gderhaha "menu" perhaps ;-)
15:55:07Paul_The_NerdThe power button is labelled "Menu" though
15:55:12Paul_The_NerdMaybe "List" or something...
15:55:14B4gderoh, right
15:55:41JdGordonye, something like that..
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15:56:43JdGordonthat player looks sweet.. too bad its only 6gb tho
15:56:51B4gder"only" 6gb flash
15:57:20JdGordonmind you... the music i actually listen to is less than that.. even tho my 20gb disk is full :p
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16:05:38amiconnThe Sansa e100 series looks more interesting to me. To bad it's not available in higher capacities
16:06:00XavierGrargh! As soon as I woke up from my slumber and decided to work on the dice plugin, paid work calls....
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16:09:29JdGordongnite all. if any1 can bare my terrible english id really like some feedback on the logf message.. otherwise ill just have to bloody try again in esparonto or something
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16:11:11peturdamn.. I just wanted to slap him with a large dictionary
16:11:56Paul_The_NerdMistakes are one thing, but intentional butchery of a language with things like "any1" and lack of capital letters is something quite different.
16:12:30B4gderand *one* person spending a little extra time to write a mail is better than 600 persons spending extra time to read that mail
16:12:36Paul_The_NerdIndeed.
16:13:10Paul_The_NerdI can understand it in a conversational setting, to an extent, but when you're posting an email proposing something, the situation is also a bit more formal.
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16:14:04Mikachu"bare my terrible english" made me laugh a little
16:16:16preglowB4gder: any news on the devkit?
16:16:24B4gdernot really
16:16:36B4gderI had another back-and-forth mails but then no more
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16:16:39preglowreally looking forward to see that
16:18:19B4gderyes indeed
16:20:55Paul_The_NerdI'm very curious what you'll end up with in the way of docs.
16:21:08B4gderyeah
16:21:16dwihnoIs it reasonable to power an external USB hub using 7.5 volts? I think I've found an old transformator of mine
16:21:22B4gderI don't think this guy had that part thought through
16:22:28dwihno??
16:22:38Paul_The_Nerddwihno: That was in response to something else
16:23:04dwihnomkay
16:23:06Paul_The_Nerddwihno: Can't you just check the labelling on the HUB and see what it expects?
16:23:25dwihnoPaul_The_Nerd: This is a noname no label thing... :/
16:23:46dwihnothe standard fcc approval
16:23:47XavierGrpreglow: devkit?
16:24:18Paul_The_NerdI don't think you ran really reasonably predict which is going to be positive/negative, and so on anyway...
16:24:33Paul_The_Nerdcan
16:25:06dwihnoNo, but I'm almost certain this is it...
16:25:17dwihnoIf the voltage is reasonable, this probably is it...
16:25:42B4gderbesides, do hubs actually still exist? ;-)
16:25:51B4gderah
16:25:53B4gderusb hub
16:25:55*B4gder hides again
16:27:03dwihnoIs 7.5v a reasonable voltage then? :)
16:32:08peturfine news from Norway: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/07/norway_rules_itunes_unfair/
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19:21:34Paul_The_NerdI'm gone for hours, and the log tells me the only thing said while I was gone was "m00"
19:23:06bluebrotherLOL
19:23:37Ribsm00
19:26:07amiconnn11
19:26:32Rickyou need a log to look up just 15 lines?
19:26:33Rick:P
19:26:46Rickoh wait
19:26:48Rickyou wern't here
19:26:49Rickhehe
19:27:24Paul_The_NerdIt's wednesday. I have an unhealthy habit that can only properly be fed on wednesdays.
19:28:22Genre9mp3Great! Paul is back! Start talkin' again! :)
19:29:34Paul_The_NerdActually, gotta go again.
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19:30:14Genre9mp3m00 :)
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19:32:09Paul_The_NerdScratch that. I'm here for several more hours yet.
19:32:19amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Checked the log? ;)
19:32:39Paul_The_NerdHehehe
19:33:13Genre9mp3Paul...deja vu, eh?
19:33:50Paul_The_NerdWhen I had returned home, I found a note on my door in attractive handwriting, asking me to help set up a new <something I can't read>. I assumed it was from my new neighbour directly across from me, but the apartment number on the note doesn't match. I have *no* idea who lives in the apartment the note is from. At all. I'm frankly mildly afraid to go knock and find out.
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19:35:05Paul_The_NerdIt's not often that strangers I have never met, and probably never even seen or been seen by, leave notes on my door asking for help setting something up (possibly a phone? Though that hardly seems the sort of thing that is complex, but is the nearest fit I can match to this word)
19:35:27earHertzIf I plug in my ipod under linux, how do I get it to automount? where would a usb drive show up inder linux?
19:36:10Paul_The_NerdHave you used a thumbdrive of media card reader of some sort before?
19:36:25dprore
19:36:27earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: no.
19:36:42earHertzI mean, yes, but −− not under linux
19:36:51Paul_The_NerdYeah, I figured that was implied. ;)
19:37:27Paul_The_NerdThe ipod should be at /dev/sda or sdb or sdwhatever, but I must admit I'm not terribly familiar with how to get it to automount. Never explicitly dealt with that before.
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19:39:59oboearHertz: if you have a recent kernel, take a look at udev
19:40:22oboyou can set it up so your ipod always appears as /dev/ipod or whatever...
19:40:57earHertzobo: mount tells me this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11753
19:41:00earHertzfuck
19:41:14obolol, bad mount
19:41:34earHertzudev on dev type tmpfs (rw)
19:42:00earHertzbut dev's not a mount point, so that doesn't make sense to me
19:42:56obowhat distro are you running?
19:43:38earHertzkubuntu. as a vmweare vm
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19:43:54obookay - take a look in /etc/udev/conf.d
19:44:02amiconnbluebrother: around?
19:44:05obocreate a new file, mine is called 025-ipod
19:44:12obopaste into that:
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19:44:16oboBUS=="scsi", KERNEL=="sd?2", SYSFS{model}=="iPod*", NAME="ipod", SYMLINK="%k"
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19:45:57earHertzobo: except for commente dlines, all it has is udev_log="err"
19:47:37obodo you have a series of config files under /etc/udev?
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19:48:14earHertznope, just rules.d and udev.conf
19:48:31oborules.d is a folder?
19:48:36tucozbluebrother, thanks for the help
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19:49:00earHertzyeah, full of .rules files
19:49:05amiconnah, hi tucoz
19:49:08obookay - create a new one
19:49:11tucozamiconn, hi
19:49:17amiconntucoz: Some more Ondio manual related remarks
19:49:34*tucoz fires up emacs
19:49:39amiconn(1) The frontpage could state the Ondio type now that the FM and SP got separate manuals
19:49:48amiconn(Ondio 128 FM adn Ondio 128 SP)
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19:50:29amiconn(2) Playback options: The Ondio has no A-B repeat because of the lack of buttons to set the A and B mark
19:51:51tucozHmm, I think I will have to introduce a opt of the type of player. That is iriver, ipod, iaudio
19:52:25earHertzobo: thanks, I found a web page explaining it. ;)
19:52:29amiconn(3) The image describing the buttons is showing the Ondio SP even in the Ondio FM manual (no biggie)
19:53:01oboearHertz: cool :)
19:53:47amiconn(4) The description for hard poweroff is slightly wrong (last sentence of chapter 2.1). The Ondio has no power light that can go off, so the only thing that can go off is the display
19:55:08amiconn(5) There are several action tables describing an action with the button column showing 'n/a'. Imho actions shouldn't be shown at all when unavailable on a target
19:56:09tucozregarding (5). That is the case for a lot of tables. However, not all tables are properly set up yet.
19:57:42amiconn(6) (chapter 2.2.4) The action of 'long press on Mode' is to accept the input for both picker and line edit mode
19:58:48amiconn(7) (chapter 2.3.2) Tagcache needs a reboot for commit before being usable
19:59:14amiconn(except when using dircache and having tagcache in ram, but that's not possible on archos)
19:59:49amiconn..and the descriptions for the 3 options are still there
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20:00:34sharpeis Paul around?
20:00:43amiconnThe note about increasing the max files in dir browser setting is wrong (for all targets) since the introduction of chunked browsing
20:00:48Paul_The_NerdDepends.
20:00:52sharpewoo.
20:00:55Paul_The_NerdAm I going to regret saying "Yes?"
20:01:01sharpei really doubt it
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20:01:40sharpewhy don't we have stickies in each ipod forum, pointing to the wiki, as it seems that people don't really bother to read the general forum first...
20:01:50sharpeer, the FAQ.
20:02:03tucozamiconn, finished ? ;-)
20:02:04sharpeand i can't remember if i suggested this to you already...
20:02:11Paul_The_NerdYou didn't suggest it already
20:02:16sharperight.
20:02:54amiconn(8) The wps button table misses dir skip (probably for all targets)
20:03:40earHertzobo: it woun't auto-mount it, but I can manually miunt it, so good enough
20:03:50Paul_The_NerdI do suspect though that the people who don't read the general also wouldn't read the FAQ if it were there. But I will come up with some sorta "Before asking questions, read this!" style post discussing the FAQ, the Manual, AND how to use the site's search functions.
20:04:19sharpeaye.
20:04:24oboearHertz: automount is seperate - udev just means it's always at the same place
20:04:33amiconn(9) (ch. 3.2) 'Mode' does the same as 'Left' in the menu
20:04:38earHertzobo: ah
20:04:48lostlogicamiconn: great work on the charging stuff!
20:05:02amiconnlostlogic: I'm not finished yet...
20:05:03earHertzobo: will umount flush the writebuffer to disk approprioatly?
20:05:08lostlogicamiconn: caught that, still...
20:05:31oboearHertz: (AFAIK) yes...
20:06:08oboeject after that is good also
20:06:28earHertznow tyou tell me ;(
20:06:30earHertz:)
20:06:32amiconn(10) Hmm, FM mode is missing quite a number of buttons...
20:07:38oboheh, it's no where near as important as umount
20:08:36earHertzcrap, the 64MB memory patch doesn't seem to have worked
20:09:10pixelmatucoz: regarding the Ondio FM manual too -> the chessbox screenshot still shows old pieces (maybe valid for all Archos manuals?) and the bounce screenshot looks very bad...
20:09:49pixelma.. I put these two on my site - if you're interested
20:09:51oboearHertz: you're building the new target?
20:09:59earHertzyeah, 22
20:10:00tucozpixelma, ok. Yes, I am interested :)
20:10:15pixelmahttp://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/Manual-Screendumps.zip
20:10:16earHertzon a vmware kubuntu
20:10:34tucozthanks
20:10:40obothat shouldn't matter - dunno what's going on there
20:11:05earHertzspent a lot of time puttign together ubuntu then kubuntu, imwheel, vm with two disks of 20GB and 16Gb, blah blah blah
20:11:10*amiconn curses ipod retailos for not booting the ipod with low batt
20:11:33*amiconn wants to log an ipod charging cycle
20:12:11tucozamiconn, that was it?
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20:12:59tucozI'll see what I can do now, and put the remaining issues on the bug-tracker
20:16:26amiconntucoz: No, I'll continue this a bit later. The radio and recording thing needs comparison with other targets in order to understand how the original description is meant to be read
20:17:06tucozOk. thanks for the feedback anyway
20:17:14sharpeties can double as a scarf.
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20:20:49tucozit would be splendid if it was possible to use opt as not-opt
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20:23:37amiconntucoz: I do appreciate all the tedious manual work very much...
20:24:17tucozamiconn, thanks. I've been off for some time, so I've got some energy to work on it now :)
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20:35:26bluebrothertucoz, I guess it shouldn't be to hard to write something inverting opt.
20:35:40tucozreally?
20:35:52bluebrotherI'll be off for some days starting from tomorrow, if I manage I'll try to give it a shot.
20:36:16tucozCool. Hmm. Maybe it is possible to find someting on google
20:36:18bluebrotherI was thinking of a bit if-nesting.
20:36:47tucozok. I could look at the screenshot macro perhaps
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20:44:35timofonicHello
20:47:20timofonicAny means of iriver E10 support
20:47:21timofonic?
20:47:59timofonicWhat is the best rockbox supported player ever? And the same but with wifi?
20:51:12bluebrothertucoz, seems I've got something working :)
20:51:19tucozCool
20:51:35tucozThat is very usefull.
20:52:51bluebrotherdamn, still not working as expected :(
20:54:46amiconntimofonic: There is no 'best' player. All the supported players have their pro and cons
20:55:45amiconnAs for the E10 support: it will happen when someone with an E10 and enough knowledge about embedded devices and reverse engineeering starts porting rockbox
20:56:05tucozhopefully my latest commits didn't break anything
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21:03:21haakjesanyone who can tell me how to reach the first partition on my ipod nano with freebsd?
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21:06:13tucozbluebrother, in case you get it working we could simply exclude the ondio for certain sections instead of including all other targets for that certain section.
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21:10:06bluebrothertucoz, please try this: http://pastebin.com/765842
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21:11:06tucozI'll try in a while.
21:11:08tucozafk
21:11:18bluebrotherrequires the ifthen package, but that is part of tetex afaik.
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21:19:39bluebrothertucoz, bbl −− if it works just commit it. Haven't tried heavily though.
21:19:43MrShleewhat the lame is Error -1?
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21:23:18tucozMrShlee, with rockbox? I think it's a missing .rockbox folder and/or rockbox.iriver/ipod/iaudio file
21:23:29amiconnNow, let's see what I can find out
21:23:45*amiconn is running his H340 opened
21:24:08MrShleetucoz *boots to original firmware and checks*
21:25:03*amiconn likes the fact that the ISP1362 is located on the front side of th epcb
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21:25:31Genre9mp3OMG...It's a big day for H300 users....
21:26:04egotrippenGenre9mp3: what happened?
21:26:06egotrippeni just got here
21:26:28Genre9mp3amiconn has just opened his H340....
21:26:53Genre9mp3he is trying to find out the power consumption problem...
21:26:57egotrippenoh yeah, i read Febs or someone post he was gonna
21:27:03egotrippenhe got oit?
21:27:07egotrippenit^
21:28:20amiconnI'll check the temperature of the various chips after running for a while. First under retailos, then under rockbox
21:28:41egotrippenah, yeah
21:28:43amiconnThat should tell us which chip is consuming the extra power under rockbox
21:28:46egotrippenbset of luck to you
21:29:07Genre9mp3Let's just hope that this will lead you somewhere....
21:29:12egotrippeni just got here for the OMG, thought you might have had it already
21:29:16egotrippen:)
21:29:43egotrippenstill, taht's excellent news
21:29:46egotrippentaht's^
21:29:50egotrippenurg
21:30:02egotrippenthat's^. having trouble typing today
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21:31:40*Genre9mp3 wishes for the naughty chip to reveal itself
21:32:12amiconnAt least the infrared thermometer seems to be sensitive enough. I can measure that the RAM has 2..3 degrees (centigrade) more than the rest of the pcb
21:32:27nobeliumyou have an infrared thermometer :P?
21:32:28nobeliumnice
21:33:15egotrippenjust looking at the MayDay todo page...
21:33:26egotrippenis the power bug the main thing holding up the 3.0 release?
21:33:44egotrippenit's the only thing that's not at least 50%
21:35:01egotrippenor, that's probably not decided yet or whatever... don't want to step on any toes
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21:36:37Genre9mp3Well I think that if the power leaking don't get solved, we won't have a 3.0 release...but this is ONLY for H300
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21:37:11peturamiconn: because you seem to have more voice issues than me, I think it may be related to the voicefile used. I'm using the fast one which is much shorter. Which one do you use?
21:37:49Hansmaulwurfi think if the H300 power consumption bug would be the only bug left, they would release 3.0 without H300 support
21:38:34egotrippenHansmaulwurf: right. i read the thread where that was talked about, but it didn't look like there was a clear answer
21:38:38egotrippenyou're probably right, though
21:39:00Paul_The_NerdThere are other bugs that should be resolved.
21:39:00amiconnpetur: I use a german voice file (at&t klara)
21:39:05Paul_The_NerdSuch as the myriad voice issues.
21:39:26Paul_The_NerdThe H300 bug isn't the only big bug holding back release, it's the only bug that really makes a difference between the current status of the H100 and H300
21:39:43egotrippenah
21:39:44egotrippenok
21:40:34Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: What are the major bugs due in 3.0 besides voice and the power leaking?
21:40:35amiconnThe CPU consumes the most power in retailos (surprise surprise! ;) ). 5 C more than the PCB
21:42:23HansmaulwurfThe H100 and H300 hardware is almost the same right?
21:42:36Hansmaulwurfbesides USB otg and the color LCD
21:42:46amiconnSome details are also different
21:42:51Hansmaulwurfhm
21:43:04Genre9mp3Hansmaulwurf: Also there is no SPDIF in H300
21:43:13amiconn..e.g. the H300 uses a complex power management chip which also does button adc, realtime clock, ...
21:43:14Hansmaulwurfyeah thats too :P
21:43:37Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: That's it primarily. There are a few other playback related bugs, and TagCache in my humble opinion is *far* from being "Done" (and it's listed as a 3.0 feature). I don't know if there's more beyond that.
21:43:46Hansmaulwurfso there is no sense in comparing the H100 and the H300 with your IR camera? :(
21:44:03dionoeahi
21:44:12amiconnI don't have an IR camera. Just an infrared (pyroelectric) thermometer
21:44:45Hansmaulwurfah hm
21:45:11Hansmaulwurfthere is a IR camera at my university i could use
21:45:15Hansmaulwurfbut i only have a H120
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21:46:33Genre9mp3Paul_The_Nerd: Oh...I thought TagCache didn't have any problems...
21:46:47Genre9mp3At least for me is running smooth... (H340)
21:46:53Genre9mp3no problems
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21:47:17Paul_The_NerdGenre9mp3: Well the most noticeable is that if you remove a file, you have to delete the tagcache and then force update from a clean slate for the cache not to have the file in it.
21:48:14Genre9mp3Oh...so force update does not remove entries?
21:48:22amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: I agree that tagcache should be able to remove entries whose files no longer exist. On some targets, this should be optional though...
21:48:23Paul_The_NerdThere are also myriad other bugs like the one recently reported where automatic folder change can cause it to freeze, or the fact that I believe if you list Genres then Artists, when you pick an artist you see all songs by that artist rather than just those within the genre (this may have been fixed, and I missed the update)
21:48:23MrShleeId like standalone tagcache utility. *scans for changes and updates the tags when you mount the Iriver*
21:48:35Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Why optional?
21:49:03Paul_The_NerdMrShlee: The code's all there for someone to make one. Foobar2k plugins, or stand-alone aps, or whatever.
21:49:04sharpeMrShlee: there has been some thoughts to a standalone version, as far as i know, nobody's *actually* gotten to work on it.
21:49:18amiconnOn Ondio, someone might want to add the contents of several MMCs to the database, for finding duplicates, similarities, tagging errors etc
21:49:30HansmaulwurfMMC?
21:49:38amiconnMultMediaCard
21:49:46amiconn*MultiMediaCard
21:49:51Genre9mp3The only thing I have heard until today, was the id3 album art that caused tagcache to crash
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21:50:37amiconnTagcache also behaves erratically when hitting the 10000 file limit
21:50:45amiconnThat already happened to several users
21:51:14*Hansmaulwurf is wondering how they reached 10000 files in tagcache
21:51:28Paul_The_NerdHansmaulwurf: Easy, if you use the SID patch.
21:51:40HansmaulwurfSID?
21:51:41amiconnEven with mp3 it's pretty easy
21:51:46sharpeor if they have a very extensive music collection.
21:51:51amiconnThink of an archos with a 100GB harddisk
21:51:56amiconn(not uncommon nowadays)
21:52:17amiconnOne user had about 15000...
21:52:17Hansmaulwurfhm ok
21:52:40Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Ah, that's fair... I think TagCache should also splash on completion of the forced update possibly (or some other notification I suppose), and maybe notify somehow of duplicate entries though I'm not sure how that would work.
21:52:42amiconnTagcache won't succeed in its commit, and try over and over each boot...
21:53:32Paul_The_NerdOuch
21:53:48Genre9mp3hmmm..this reminds me the stupid 9999 file limit in iriver firmware...
21:54:22amiconnHehe, indeed
21:54:43amiconnThe archos recorder firmware had an even more stupid limit: 999 files per playlist...
21:55:06amiconnThat effectively forbid an all tracks playlist
21:55:23egotrippenyou have to wonder what the coders were thinking, sometimes
21:55:56egotrippenhow big a HD did the archos players ship with?
21:56:42*amiconn succeeded in locating the heat source on the H300 pcb when running rockbox
21:56:51amiconnUnsurprisingly, it's the ISP1362
21:56:57Genre9mp3\o/
21:57:06egotrippen\m/ \m/
21:57:06amiconn7 C more than its surroundings
21:57:13amiconn...even more than the CPU
21:57:35amiconn(which runs a bit cooler under rockbox than under retailos)
21:58:01amiconnThe ISP1362 stays at environment temperature under retailos...
21:58:21*amiconn should probably try USB host mode under retailos
21:58:27peturbingo
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21:59:03Genre9mp3amiconn: CPU is cooler in Rockbox than in retailOS ?
21:59:14*petur wonders if the suspend pin is pulled down by rb
21:59:15amiconnYes, but only a little bit.
21:59:30MrShleeand the usb chip is powerhungry?
21:59:59egotrippenGenre9mp3: i don't think that's too surprising, on the H100s Rockbox gives slightly better battery life
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22:00:54Genre9mp3slightly?
22:01:12Genre9mp3XavierGr had 21 hours with his H140!
22:01:17egotrippensomething like an hour or two, IIRC. i don't
22:01:24egotrippenor, not :)
22:01:25nobeliumthis question might sound stupid, but what does an OTG chipset have to do with the normla functioning of the iriver?
22:01:26Hansmaulwurfbut only with a pimped battery egotrippen
22:01:35nobeliumshouldn't it only be enabled when a cable is plugged?
22:01:55egotrippenah, yeah. that's what i'm looking forward to, i have the 2200 mAh also
22:01:59Genre9mp3BTW, is the diskpower off set to on by default, yet?
22:02:01sharpeyay, processor is at 156'F
22:02:13peturnobelium: everything if it isn't initialized correctly
22:03:01nobeliumah, alright...I thought it was only started when a cable was attached
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22:04:11nobeliumsince there are devices sensitive to physical connections
22:04:19LeoStewartIn Linux, using the iPod, is there a way to hide the rockbox.ipod file from view?
22:04:20nobeliumbut i guess they're initiated anyhow
22:04:40nobeliumLeoStewart, on iriver you can select "only show music files"
22:04:43nobeliumor something similar
22:04:51nobeliumit hides .rockbox folder and the .iriver file
22:05:03nobeliummaybe show supported files
22:05:14LeoStewartOkay. As that feature might be in iPod, do you know where it might be?
22:05:31nobeliumon iriver, under normal playback/WPS
22:05:45LeoStewartAlright, thanks. Will give it a shot.
22:05:45nobeliumi hit a key and it shows a 3-way menu
22:05:49amiconnWhen the ISP1362 is activated by retailos, it reaches approx. the same temperature as under rockbox, even a bit higher
22:05:55amiconn(when actually copying data)
22:06:10egotrippensweet
22:06:27Hansmaulwurf"show supported files" doesnt hide the .iriver file
22:06:46Genre9mp3so now all we have to do is to somehow disable the chip in rockbox, right?
22:06:50LeoStewartdamn.
22:06:51peturamiconn: do you want me to update my patch for you to try or will you try some gpio settings yourself?
22:06:56LeoStewartWell, I'm not sure what to do.
22:07:06HansmaulwurfLeoStewart: why do you need the file to hide?
22:07:17Paul_The_NerdLeoStewart: Put the .ipod file in the .rockbox folder
22:07:27Paul_The_NerdJust remember to put the new on there when you update
22:07:39Paul_The_NerdRockbox looks for rockbox.ipod in the root, and then in the .rockbox folder if it's not found in the root.
22:08:04LeoStewartWell, I'd rather have the main screen to only have organized folders... kind of picky I guess. :)
22:08:18Hansmaulwurfits 1 file
22:08:20Hansmaulwurfin words: ONE
22:08:23LeoStewartPaul_the_Nerd: deal, will try. Thanks.
22:08:41LeoStewartHansmaulwurf: ;)
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22:08:52Paul_The_NerdHansmaulwurf: I hide mine in the .rockbox folder too.
22:09:24Paul_The_NerdZero is still lest than one, whether you spell it with all caps or not. :-P
22:09:28Paul_The_Nerdless
22:09:40Hansmaulwurfo_O
22:09:44sharpeactually it looks for the rockbox.ipod file in the folder first, doesn't it?
22:09:46peturBagder: have a look at the log, 21:56
22:10:02LeoStewartPaul_the_Nerd: worked like a charm! thank you! :D
22:10:39Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I think you're right actually
22:10:55Paul_The_NerdYeah, because the outdated one is invariably the one in the folder, which is the one it ends up loading if there are two
22:11:08sharpe:D
22:11:10amiconnpetur: Do we know both H_SUSPEND and D_SUSPEND?
22:11:28peturonly D_SUSPEND I think
22:11:45sharpeoh god. it's summer.
22:11:49XavierGryay!!!!
22:11:56Bagderpetur: and what more specifically am I looking for?
22:11:59sharpeno more school...
22:12:01sharpethat means...
22:12:06sharpei have time to work on rockbox!
22:12:17nobeliumi have exams :p
22:12:23sharpealready took mine
22:12:31nobelium1 month to finish mine
22:12:31peturBagder: amiconn found a heat source on h300 :)
22:12:33nobelium:s
22:12:47Bagderindeed good news
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22:13:19Bagdergreat even
22:13:49peturamiconn: Linus didn't note H_SUSPEND
22:14:16shleeshlethe unit has OSS drivers.. and a general halt/suspend mode
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22:16:23amiconnpetur: Hmm. Perhaps it's possible to find H_SUSPEND when looking for a D_SUSPEND mask in the disassembly
22:17:21peturI can't understand I didn't see those GPIO pins when looking at the disassembly. Must be me :/
22:18:26egotrippenoes someone want to proofread a post i just made? i'm pretty sure i didn't botch any details
22:18:27egotrippenhttp://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=457524#post457524
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22:21:01Hansmaulwurflol
22:21:23Genre9mp3egotrippen: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=41576
22:21:52egotrippenaha
22:21:56egotrippenlol
22:22:26egotrippenit's been so long since a H300 specific update, i kinda forgot that existed
22:23:01egotrippenespecially with the H300 experimental thing, really drew attantion away from it
22:26:33tucozhehe, Llorean with a comment as always :)
22:26:48*Paul_The_Nerd looks innocent.
22:26:54Genre9mp3:)
22:27:28egotrippenhey, it's good to add. i said it doesn't mean much for end-users, but it makes sense to drive that home
22:28:09egotrippenplus, without posting everywhere he woudn't be known as the info guy :)
22:28:21egotrippenhe's got a reputation to uphold
22:28:39peturthe pcb tracing Linus did should help a lot to tame the chip
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22:29:16tucozamiconn should have a webcam set up for this kind of operation
22:29:19amiconnpetur: Iiuc, the x_SUSPEND pins are both inputs & outputs, and we need to do the following:
22:29:31amiconn(1) properly reset the chip
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22:30:12amiconn(2) Pull the suspend pins high (or set them to input if they have pullup resistors - something to be checked by Linus)
22:30:23amiconn(3) Tell the chip to go into suspend mode
22:31:04peturfor (3) I already gave some code to Linus which didn't work of course
22:31:29amiconnI would expect the chip to not enter suspend mode if the suspend pin(s) are low
22:31:33peturshall I update my patch or are you going to tweak 'n test?
22:31:53amiconnI'll skim the disassembly a bit first
22:32:00petursetting the pins high should be a quick test
22:33:03amiconnYeah, if we knew both pins...
22:34:16peturI wonder if Linus tried to find the other and failed or was tracing the chip pin by pin and ran out of time
22:34:24Chamoisonly DC can give 20 mA
22:34:36Chamoisas said in the datasheet
22:35:43peturamiconn: when testing, don't forget to disable the 5V (charge-pump) too
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22:36:09peturLinus tried only that one but saw no difference
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22:36:51petur(gpio1 pin 21)
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22:40:04*amiconn did find actually useful information on misticriver for the first time - about opening up the H300
22:40:16shleeshle http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/isp1362.html mucho grande
22:40:23amiconnThat's what I used to get in: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34257
22:41:08peturshleeshle: links to the doc are already in the wiki ;)
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22:47:36peturdamn... i2c_write() doesn't seem to like it when the irq is disabled :/
22:49:49Paul_The_NerdAnyone know the resolution of the e200's display by chance?
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22:53:06Paul_The_NerdNevermind, found it
22:53:14Bagderand what is it?
22:53:18Paul_The_Nerd220x176x16
22:53:23Bagderah
22:53:30Paul_The_NerdThough apparently sandisk says "a future version" could go up to 18-bit color
22:53:31Bagderfamiliar ;-)
22:53:41peturrofl... sure
22:53:41Paul_The_NerdWell, I suppose 176x220x18 in reality then
22:53:42Bagderyeah right
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22:54:45Paul_The_NerdApparently the realistic battery time is 18 hours.
22:55:28Paul_The_NerdAnd the best feature of all: The back is made, supposedly, of a titanium alloy and is incredibly scratch resistant. I mean that's just a dig at iPods right there.
22:55:59peturI'd care more about the front....
22:56:26Paul_The_NerdYeah, me too. ;)
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23:05:50*petur finds a new way to boot original firmware (and is a bit puzzled by it)
23:06:10peturI accidentally double-clicked the on key
23:07:16peturis this known?
23:08:05bluebrotheron which target? Doesn't work on my h120 (still bootloader v5)
23:08:11peturh340
23:08:27bluebrothermaybe I should update the bootloader ...
23:08:48peturit never went into our bootloader
23:09:01peturmust be another boot path?
23:10:15peturbluebrother: I think it is h3x0 specific
23:10:16egotrippenyeah, works for me too
23:10:26egotrippenH340
23:10:33peturweird
23:11:02egotrippenit didn't open up the bootloader at all, just straight to iriver fw
23:11:17bluebrotherpetur, I guess so, but updating my bootloader shouldn't hurt anyway (I'm aware h300 and h100 have pretty much different bootloaders ;-)
23:11:32egotrippenhm, i can't repeat it
23:11:53egotrippenah, there it goes
23:12:20egotrippenseems like you have to kind of hold it down as you douple click, long presses
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23:13:05egotrippenah, 22 second boot time
23:13:10egotrippeni love rockbox
23:13:21petur:D
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23:15:27tucozbluebrother, it looks like your \nopt works like a charm
23:15:36bluebrothertucoz, great :)
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23:16:10tucozhopefully someone will use it :)
23:16:33bluebrotherat least you did ;-)
23:17:08tucozyes. that felt nice
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23:18:02bluebrotherI guess we need to update the LatexGuidelines eventually
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23:18:57tucozhrm. Yes, that might be a good idea. But, I am off for today.
23:19:47Paul_The_NerdWhy is the manual in British English?
23:20:10bluebrotherI'll be off until the end of the week. Need to see if I manage to look around during that time.
23:20:15tucozCassandra wrote the 2.4 docs. She is english
23:20:19tucozbritish
23:20:21Paul_The_NerdMind you, it's not a complaint, but the English translation of Rockbox seems to b American English, and the only cited reason was consistency.
23:20:22bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd, because the original version was british.
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23:20:37Paul_The_NerdAh
23:20:37bluebrotherdamn, I was too slow ;-)
23:20:44Paul_The_NerdWell, that makes sense then.
23:20:58Paul_The_NerdAs it is, I seem to use a hybrid of the two when I type.
23:21:13tucozgood night
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23:21:29*petur notices Paul_The_Nerd starts to type like JdGordon
23:21:43bluebrotherI guess most of us are typing a mixture of british and american english ...
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23:22:16Paul_The_NerdWell, I had a mix of Australian, British, and American education so I'm all messed up.
23:23:23bluebrotherhehe, found myself when searching for that quote on the world language to be bad english instead of english :)
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23:43:45LeoStewartI'm able to install Doom, but is there anyway to change the directory of where I can place the 'Games' folder?
23:43:57LeoStewartI'd rather not have a blank folder on the main screen
23:44:22dionoeain the source code i guess
23:44:33LeoStewartdamn...
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