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#rockbox log for 2006-06-16

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00:06:31Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Even with a good charger, when I plug in the charger, the battery % shows at like, 6%. I'm afraid of overheating my batteries because the trickle charge won't kick in. Should I be?
00:07:48 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow")
00:08:27amiconnHow long did you keep it plugged, and what batteries are in there?
00:08:43amiconnDid you charge the batteries externally?
00:08:51Paul_The_NerdI've charged them externally a few times
00:08:55Paul_The_Nerd2650mah batteries.
00:09:44amiconnI mean, were they fully charged when you put them in, and then immediately connected the charger?
00:09:48Paul_The_NerdNo
00:09:52amiconnOr did you run them down
00:09:55Paul_The_NerdI let them discharge for a while, down to about 10%
00:10:10Paul_The_NerdI was running a playback test to see how long they lasted, got about 14.5 hours.
00:10:37Paul_The_NerdPlugged it in a good bit ago, it sayve 5.19V 6%
00:10:45amiconnThe battery percentage is rather coarse, unlike with LiIon
00:11:09amiconnA full charge can take quite some time, especially with higher capacity batteries
00:11:16amiconnWhat charger do you use now?
00:11:53Paul_The_NerdIt's a 9v 1200mah charger.
00:12:03Paul_The_NerdmA
00:12:05amiconnRegulated?
00:12:06Paul_The_NerdYes
00:12:14amiconnThen charging will take like forever
00:12:19Paul_The_NerdShould I change it to 12v?
00:12:36amiconnYes if it's regulated
00:13:07amiconnYou can expect a full charge to take 8..10 hours with your batteries, and either the stock charger, or a 12V regulated one
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00:13:49amiconnWit 9V regulated, it will take days - if the current balance is positive at all
00:14:28Paul_The_NerdHm
00:14:34Paul_The_NerdIf I set it to 12v, it doesn't charge at all
00:15:08amiconnoh?
00:15:11Paul_The_NerdYup
00:15:16Paul_The_NerdI plug it in, and Rockbox boots.
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00:15:23Paul_The_NerdNo charging indicator anywhere
00:15:40amiconnAnd if you set it back to 9V it shows a charging indicator?
00:15:44Paul_The_NerdYes
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00:16:05Paul_The_NerdBy the way, my battery status is at about 47% now that I've unplugged the charger.
00:16:14amiconnHmm... I'd almost think your charger is faulty... outputs no voltage at the 12V setting
00:16:36Paul_The_NerdActually, it's... going up.
00:16:50Paul_The_NerdSeems to be fluctuating around the 50% mark, +/- 2%
00:16:58amiconnThe archos boots as soon as it senses any voltage at the dc input, even a short pulse
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00:17:42amiconnI can cause my recorder to boot by plugging the dc end of a charger that I disconnected from mains a day ago - just by the residual voltage in the filter cap
00:17:48Paul_The_NerdAnyway, this is my concernt. It was charging on the 9v, supposedly, and had been "Charging" for over a half hour, said 6% (when I'd plugged it in with 10% remaining) now that it's unplugged it says 50%, and I'm just confused.
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00:20:19amiconnIf you charged for approx. half an hour, the real charging state could only have increased by less than 10 %
00:20:44Paul_The_NerdIt was greater than half an hour.
00:20:48Paul_The_NerdI'm not wholly certain how long it was
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00:20:53Paul_The_NerdCould be as much as two hours or so
00:20:56amiconnThat is, with 12V regulated, or the stock 9V unregulated charger (which outputs about 10.5V at the load the archos causes)
00:21:27amiconnThe maximum charging current of the archos is 350mA
00:21:28Paul_The_NerdAll I'm certain of is that at least one show started and completed while it was charging, so at least that much time passed. I've been doing various things and I'm not certain when I plugged it in. =/
00:21:56Paul_The_NerdI was just concerned that during the whole charging process it showed a lower percentage than the firmware reported before I started charging.
00:22:02amiconnConnecting a higher voltage than ~11V only increases the heat generated in the charging circuit
00:22:32amiconnThe percentages are very coarse. We can't do much better with NiMH
00:22:42Paul_The_NerdAh
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00:23:18Paul_The_NerdI've just never seen *anything* but something in the 3-8% range when plugging in the charger.
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00:23:36amiconnIf you ask battery experts, they'll all tell you that it's practically impossible to determine the real charge state of a NiMH/NiCd battery by measuring the voltage only
00:23:38Paul_The_NerdIndependent of current charge state of the batteries.
00:23:43amiconn..but the voltage is all we have
00:23:58Paul_The_NerdWhat voltage is "fully charged"?
00:24:36amiconnThen the charging algorithm on recorder v1 (the only rockbox target with software controlled charging) still leaves something to be desired
00:24:36scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i see mins as 5.70-5.71
00:24:48scorchemine
00:24:50amiconnIt usually is over-cautious
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00:25:10mirakhi
00:25:19mirakis there some colored skins ?
00:25:20amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: There is no fixed 'fully charged' voltage
00:25:27mirakwhat's the best skin in color ?
00:26:08Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: More like "What voltage should I disconnect the charger at if it still reports single-digit percents at much higher voltages)?
00:26:12 Quit ender` (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-")
00:26:21amiconnThe voltage of a NiMH cell depends on many factors. End-of-charge is usually detected by montitoring voltage chages over time
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00:26:43amiconn*monitoring, changes
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00:27:52amiconnVoltage display also differs from archos to archos, probably due to tolerances in some voltage divider resistors
00:28:17markunamiconn: iriver has put a 8-bit microcontroller in their E10. Any idea what it could be used for?
00:28:20amiconnI'd just let it charge. There's also a safety timeout built into rockbox charging
00:28:41Paul_The_NerdAnd the worst that could happen is just me needing new batteries again?
00:28:45markunmirak: which player?
00:29:22amiconn(which btw hits too early with high-capacity cells when charging right on boot, probably because chgarging is set up before settings are loaded)
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00:29:43amiconnI always charge the recorder *in* rockbox, i.e. boot first, then connect the charger
00:29:59amiconn(or sometimes connect the charger, then start with 'on')
00:30:33mirakmarkun: h300
00:30:47mirakmarkun: I am not into rockbox anymore
00:30:54mirakI mean I don't follow what's happening
00:31:25preglowheresy!
00:31:46amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Yes, but even that is unlikely, especially with high capacity cells
00:32:26Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Fine, I just don't want to do anything with even any risk of damaging the player itself, because it belongs to my brother.
00:32:31preglowmarkun: atmel controller?
00:32:46amiconnNiMH cells can take overcharging for quite a while at I10, and that's almost all the archos provides
00:32:54markunpreglow: ATmega88
00:33:03preglowcool, i've programmed those
00:33:09Paul_The_NerdOk
00:33:14Paul_The_NerdThanks
00:33:17preglowi wouldn't expect to find one in an mp3 player, though
00:33:26amiconn(I10 being the current a cell can provide for 10 hours, i.e. a tenth of the capacity)
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00:33:30markunpreglow: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info
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00:34:31markunpreglow: http://cafefiles.naver.net/data23/2006/6/15/278/DSCN2955.jpg
00:35:10Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: What would you expect to find one in?
00:35:30preglowdunno, small appliances without a bigger cpu as well
00:35:54preglowavrs are 8 bit and seldom have a high clock
00:37:40Paul_The_NerdProgrammable television remote?
00:37:45preglowlike that
00:37:50Paul_The_NerdBecause an E10 is also that.
00:37:53preglowhah
00:37:58preglowcrazy koreans
00:38:03Paul_The_Nerd's kinda what I thought.
00:38:30Paul_The_NerdI mean c'mon, that's what PDAs are for, not DAPs.
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00:56:21preglowanyway
00:56:29preglowif you've got an arm core, you don't need an avr core
00:57:17Paul_The_NerdUnless apparently you're iriver.
01:00
01:01:06*preglow checks
01:01:13preglowturns out i'm not
01:01:21Paul_The_NerdGood to hear.
01:01:25Paul_The_NerdVERY good to hear, really.
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01:04:16AdventSon128hey guys
01:04:52AdventSon128any 1 here have some spare time for 2 noob questions ?
01:05:05sharpeAdventSon128: go for it.
01:05:12AdventSon128alright
01:05:26AdventSon128i have opened a firmware but it comes out as a .rom file
01:05:35AdventSon128can i dont know how to edit it
01:05:51sharpefirmware as in, the original firmware, or the rockbox firmware?
01:06:20AdventSon128the orginal firmware its for the sansa e200
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01:07:07sharpewell, that player isn't supported by rockbox.
01:07:14AdventSon128yeah i know
01:07:26AdventSon128i am on a team of peeps so we can try to port it
01:07:45sharpeah, alright.
01:07:54sharpeand what are you trying to do with the original firmware?
01:07:58Paul_The_NerdWell, A) You don't want to "edit" the original firmware anyway
01:08:16AdventSon128y wouldnt I ?
01:08:29Paul_The_NerdWhat would you be trying to do by editing it?
01:08:42AdventSon128maybe change the images/strings
01:08:43stripwaxAdventSon128 - you would have to "edit" all of it until there's basically none left
01:08:55Paul_The_NerdAdventSon128: and see, that's nothing to do with Rockbox at all.
01:09:01stripwax(if you really mean you want to port rockbox)
01:09:09Paul_The_NerdRockbox is a replacement firmware
01:09:17Paul_The_NerdYou get it ported, and put it in place of the original
01:09:25AdventSon128ohh alright
01:09:33ashridahstripwax: well, realistically speaking, he may need to squeeze in a boot loader
01:09:36ashridahwhich would be 'editing'
01:09:42ashridahbut you wouldn't do that by hand
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01:10:13stripwax(bah - ok, that's true. I remember back in the early days of h1xx someone tried to hack in a bootloader by hand.. it didn't work though)
01:10:16AdventSon128then how would i do that ?
01:10:22ashridahAdventSon128: you probably want to disassemble it, which means you're going to need to understand the hardware itself
01:10:22Amienhi .. anyone got any idea why my tags are all wrong in ID3-mode?
01:10:32stripwaxAmien - define "wrong"
01:10:47Pieter_writing/hacking a bootloader.. that wouldn't be a 'noob' question, would it?
01:10:58ashridah(ie, what 'address' it starts from, where the rom is mapped to, the type of cpu, and thus, the assembly to work with, etc)
01:11:06antil33thmm
01:11:07Amiendifferent genre's .. while i checked .. i changed them all to 1 genre
01:11:31AdventSon128hmm
01:11:34stripwaxAmien - hrm, what kind of files are they - - and does the right genre show up in, say, Winamp?
01:11:35antil33ti had a good play with rockbox last night
01:11:49Paul_The_Nerdashridah: Well we at least know that it's the PP5024 which has an ARM7 core. The firmware is likely in the same format as that for the H10 and a variety of other portalplayer devices, though it seems not too much has been figured about the MI4 files (which are encrypted) if I recall
01:11:55Amienin the original firmware it shows all up ok
01:11:57Amienall mp3 files
01:12:07sharpeAmien: you're using tagcache right?
01:12:11Amienyes
01:12:20sharpehave you forced an update?
01:12:21ashridahAdventSon128: lets just say that without embedded programming experience, it's not likely to be too easy for you. changing images might not be too bad, but very error prone without the above disassembly skills
01:12:44ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: awesome
01:12:45Pieter_besides, even the images might be encrypted...
01:13:01stripwaxashridah - heh, I didn't reverse engineer anything to get ihpbmp working ;-)
01:13:01markungood evening Pieter_
01:13:11Amienyes .. updating in backgrp .. msg is gone in 3 sec .. nothing happends
01:13:18stripwax(well, yeah, ok, I did, but not using a disassembler)
01:13:21Pieter_hey markun :)
01:13:30sharpetry deleteing the tagcache files, and forcing an update.
01:13:37ashridahstripwax: but i'm betting that someone else had already mapped out the contents of the .hex file;)
01:13:52stripwaxashridah - nope, that was me ;-)
01:14:12AdventSon128hmm alright then
01:14:25stripwaxAgree that it might be error prone (and perhaps I was just lucky to get it right)
01:15:18Paul_The_Nerdashridah: The nice thing is that MP3 players from at least 3 manufacturers seem to do it this way, and it's very likely the reference way PortalPlayer provides, so solving it will accelerate or help other people start several other ports.
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01:16:17Amiensharpe: where can i find those files?
01:16:23sharpein /.rockbox/
01:16:27sharpe*.tcd
01:17:27antil33tdoes rockbox have video support?
01:17:33sharpeantil33t: no.
01:17:37antil33tdamn
01:17:47*scorche wonders how many times a day that gets asked
01:17:54AdventSon128lol
01:18:00antil33theh, i diddnt think it did
01:18:06stripwaxhmm...
01:18:12sharpewe should keep count
01:18:21scorchemaybe we should put that in the topic
01:18:39antil33tjust stick it in the subject
01:18:40scorcheRockbox 3.0? Yes, we're working on it...and no, we don't provide video support!
01:18:52Amienwhy was video support not added? :) .. is that the second most asked question?
01:19:01sharpe"Rockbox 3.0? Yes, we're working on it. And by working on it, we mean, we are not working on video support."
01:19:14stripwaxAmien - why is any feature not added? (because no-one's done it .. yet ..)
01:19:30Paul_The_NerdAmien: Because nobody's done it. There's still plenty left to do to get audio working the best it can, and nobody who seems to really *want* video wants it enough to actually do something about it.
01:20:04Amienwould divx be possible?
01:20:10Paul_The_NerdProbably not on most players
01:20:16stripwaxAmien - maybe
01:20:23antil33tyeah the audio is great
01:20:41stripwaxBut I guess until anyone really gets stuck into investigating video codecs on rockbox, no-one's really going to know what is and is not possible.
01:21:07Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: It's *very* unlikely Divx will be usable on any of the current players. Most of them just aren't fast enough.
01:21:26Amienis 3.0 getting a better layout for the bookmarks? like a scrolldown option?
01:21:34stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - right, other than the ipod 5g perhaps
01:21:37antil33tjust overclock the ipod :D
01:21:47stripwaxantil33t - after you! ;-)
01:21:50sharpeantil33t: that's not really an option.
01:21:53antil33theh
01:21:56Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: The 5G's broadcom chip may decode in hardware, which means we'd be stuck with whatever formats the chip itself supports.
01:22:12sharpewhich is mp4's, mov's, and that's... about it?
01:22:14antil33thmm we would get 2 formats :) w00t
01:22:20antil33tno not mov's
01:22:22stripwaxanyone know much about the broadcom chip?
01:22:25sharpemeh.
01:22:34Paul_The_NerdBroadcom does
01:22:37antil33tMP4, had .H2XX
01:22:37stripwax:-)
01:22:39AmienON+PLAY .. what keys is that .. i tried them all
01:22:40sharpestripwax: i don't think anyone's tried to understand it.
01:22:53antil33tits in your manual for you 5g :)
01:23:01Paul_The_NerdAmien: On iPods it actually means "The next-track button"
01:23:01Amien(to delete bookmarks)
01:23:15Paul_The_NerdAmien: The string doesn't have an iPod-specific version yet.
01:23:34stripwaxsharpe - fairy nuff. Since the broadcom chip has its own firmware file I'm guessing it is at least moderately programmable
01:23:57sharpestripwax: i don't think there is any datasheets for it either
01:24:07stripwaxsharpe - bah. humph.
01:24:11sharpe:)
01:24:39Amiennext-track works fine
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01:26:20sharpewhat is the name of the broadcom chip?
01:26:43*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why the e200 feels like it needs to split video files.
01:27:02sharpePaul_The_Nerd: software limitations?
01:27:26Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: It personally seems like an odd sort of limitation.
01:27:39Paul_The_NerdLike the kind you can avoid if you really try.
01:27:46sharpeheheh
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01:30:53earHertzon the ipod, is there an easy, fast way to get timer resolution that's more granual than ticks?
01:31:33antil33theh
01:32:07antil33tis there a spectrum anilyser for rockbox, i saw one somewhere
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01:32:32sharpeantil33t: the oscilliscope plugin
01:32:40sharpeis the closest thing, anyway.
01:32:44antil33tyeah
01:32:47Amientagcache is not ready .. does it really take that long?
01:32:49antil33tthanks :)
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01:35:46antil33tTOC: No TOC in "Main.PluginOscilloscope" ? what does that mean
01:36:10sharpehmm... do you think if we asked really nicely, broadcom would give us the bcm2722 datasheet? :D
01:36:16AdventSon128lol
01:36:27antil33tyeah
01:36:30antil33t:) i would
01:36:38AdventSon128well u can always "explore" there system
01:36:44antil33tjust ask apple
01:37:15Amienif a number is 2 hours long .. whats the fastest way to get in the middle of the mp3?
01:37:32sharpehold forward for a little bit
01:38:01Amienwith the original ipod .. you can hit middle .. and than scroll to the middle
01:38:17scorcheAmien: we do not currently support that feature
01:38:35Amienk
01:39:28scorchealthough, you can control the rate at whioch you can search forward
01:40:29sharpeoooh. the broadcom chip handles audio recording and playback too...
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01:41:21Amienyap .. cause there is also a microphone addon for the 5g
01:41:53AdventSon1281 last noob question for me
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01:42:30AdventSon128how does the ipodwizard have the ability to change the images of the ipod ?
01:42:46sharpeit edits the images stored in the apple firmware
01:45:04AdventSon128so is it possible for the sansa to have its images in the firmware ?
01:46:36stripwaxit's possible
01:47:45stripwaxAdventSon128 - check out a program called ISE (google it) - Image Searching Engine
01:50:09AdventSon128and this program can help me by ?
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01:51:05stripwaxAdventSon128 - by showing you if there are pictures inside a file (sorry, I thought that was what you were asking..)
01:51:48AdventSon128alright mate thanks
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01:52:49AdventSon128lol great i find everything else accept for Ise
01:53:00AdventSon128i find google images and other garbage
01:53:06AdventSon128but no ise program
01:53:08AdventSon128lol
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01:55:05stripwaxAdventSon128 http://mp3-upgrade.narod.ru/tools/ise103.zip
01:55:22AdventSon128thanks mate
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01:55:45Mikachuwow that's a fast site :)
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02:03:09AdventSon128alright stripwax
02:03:16AdventSon128i opend the firmware in ISe
02:03:24sharpestripwax left
02:03:30AdventSon128but all i get is like a heavilt disorted image
02:03:34AdventSon128damn it
02:05:32scorcheAdventSon128: go to http://www.misticriver.net/archive/index.php/t-5366.html
02:05:42scorcheand look at stripwax's post in there
02:07:41scorcheespecially #7
02:07:48Amieni still got the tagcache not ready msg
02:09:21scorcheAmien: if you have a large collection, it can take a bit
02:10:50earHertzanyone with an ipod 4g or video who wants to do some scrolling alpha testing?
02:11:41AdventSon128wow
02:12:10sharpeearHertz: i would if i had the motivation to.
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02:17:40Amiennight all
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02:27:40AdventSon128wondering
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02:27:48sigmountehello !
02:27:58AdventSon128how do u take a fimrware and make it into a .bin file ?
02:28:05AdventSon128Hello Sigmounte
02:28:19preglowwhat player?
02:28:26sharpee200 :)
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02:29:09sigmountegot a strange think today with my ipod nano , after trying the install from linux , i've found that my Nano 2g does not have a partition table , and everything is in /dev/sda directly
02:29:12sharpehmm. that's nice.
02:29:44Mikachuthat is not how it should be, you will get the sad ipod face
02:30:23sigmountethe sad ipod face ? they are some ipod where it is not possible to use rockbox ?
02:30:45sharpeno, when the partition table is screwed, you get a sad ipod.
02:31:06sigmountesomething to do about that ?
02:31:16sharperestore it...
02:31:35sigmountebut it work perfectly in this stat
02:31:45Mikachusigmounte: what does ls -l /dev/sda show you?
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02:32:31sigmountejoshua:~# ls -l /dev/sda
02:32:31sigmountebrw-rw−−−− 1 root disk 8, 0 2004-07-22 21:54 /dev/sda
02:32:58sigmountesda is the good device
02:32:59Mikachuhm, that is the device node, not a partition nod
02:33:02Mikachu+e
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02:33:40Mikachujust a spelling correction
02:33:53sigmounteoh yes ls -e /dev/sda ?
02:34:38markunsigmounte: no, nod + e (= node)
02:35:02sigmounteok
02:35:21sigmounteso after using the restore tool , i 'll have sda1 and sda2 ?
02:37:49Mikachuand you can actually mount /dev/sda?
02:39:11sigmountenot able to mount it
02:39:43sigmountein windows it find a new hard drive , but ask to format it
02:40:30sharpeyeh, you're best off using the restore utility.
02:40:32Mikachuand what does this say?
02:40:35Mikachufdisk -l /dev/sda
02:41:02sigmountejoshua:~# fdisk -l /dev/sda
02:41:02sigmounteDisk /dev/sda: 2047 MB, 2047868928 bytes
02:41:02sigmounte63 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1024 cylinders
02:41:02DBUGEnqueued KICK sigmounte
02:41:02sigmounteUnits = cylinders of 3906 * 512 = 1999872 bytes
02:41:02sigmounteDisk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table
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02:41:03sigmountejoshua:~#
02:41:33sigmountesharpe, got the url for the restore utility ?
02:41:44Mikachuthat is not the same size as here
02:41:47sigmountei can't find it on the wiki
02:42:01sharpesigmounte: it's in the ipod updater utility
02:42:05sharpefrom apple
02:42:20sigmountesharpe, ok must be on my cd
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02:55:48sigmounteok now working after a restauration
02:55:50sigmountethanks
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03:08:11sharpewelcome
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03:10:19sigmounteit works :)
03:10:47sigmounteok i'll continu asking bad question , will it be possible to play video ?
03:18:10egotrippenif someone decides to code it
03:18:23egotrippeni think that's the official answer :)
03:19:45sigmounteho the pleasure to have streamripper directly send mp3 using usbfs :)
03:20:07egotrippenha
03:20:17egotrippeni can't believe apple gets away with touting itunes as a feature
03:21:08sigmounte;)
03:21:21egotrippeni'm kind of interested in the video ipod, now that rockbox is out for it
03:21:24egotrippenbecause of the video out
03:21:39egotrippenbut, some things apple does just doesn't sit right with me
03:22:01egotrippenthey're all about, all about propriety software, cables, whatever
03:22:54egotrippenthey changed the wiring of their video cables, so the red, white, and yellow plugs only match up on their $20 white video cable
03:23:21egotrippenon a regular one, red is video, white is right audio, yellow is left audio
03:24:30sharpeit's just shifted left one plug.
03:24:36Mikachuum, no?
03:24:38sharpeer.
03:24:40sharperight.
03:24:43Mikachured and white are audio, yellow is video
03:25:27sharpehe's talking about when you use a regular cable with the ipod video.
03:25:33egotrippenyeah
03:25:40Mikachuah
03:25:41egotrippenit's just shifted one peg, but
03:25:59egotrippenif someone didn't know that, they'd think they needed the apple cable
03:26:05egotrippenand not just a $5 regular cable
03:26:21egotrippeni only found out because i was trying to find other mp3 players with video out
03:26:39Mikachuwouldn't you at least always have one audio cable in an audio slot?
03:27:20egotrippenif i had one audio channel working, and i expeted video to be working
03:27:37egotrippeni honestly don't know if i'd think to switch the yellow plug
03:27:48Mikachuif you were lucky you would notice it was only one channel and the wrong one
03:27:51egotrippenand i'm sure many people don't think to
03:28:24egotrippenif i noticed it was the wrong audio channel, maybe, there's a chance
03:28:34egotrippenthat i'd think they were all just switched
03:29:08egotrippenbut i probably wouldn't notice, especially on a TV show
03:29:33egotrippenand it bothers me they would do something like that just to try and get someone to buy their 'special' cable
03:29:53egotrippenthat's really what i'm talking about.. it seems unethical, if though i know about it and won't get screwed by it
03:30:15Mikachui agree
03:31:04egotrippenon the other hand, it might not stop me from getting an ipod
03:31:04egotrippenlol
03:31:11egotrippendamn capitalism
03:31:44egotrippenit'd cost less to sell my H340 and upgrade to a 60 gig with TV out than to get a 60 gig HD replacement
03:31:47Mikachuit won't stop me from going to bed, good night
03:31:52egotrippenright
03:31:53egotrippeng'night
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03:45:51antil33thmm
03:45:57antil33tback from town :)
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04:10:21antil33theh
04:10:28antil33ti did my 5G ipod yesterday
04:14:29yawgso uh.. where do i find this bootloader patch
04:14:51yawgthe instructions say "To do: complete this section for iaudio platforms"
04:15:15antil33t.. (dont ask me) im a noob
04:15:16antil33tlol
04:17:00yawgok i found it
04:17:03sharpehmm... i notice no difference between the original bootloader, and my bootloader... i should time the differences.
04:20:43sharpebut i will when i ge back from my visit.
04:21:08antil33theh just ran doom on my ipod :)
04:21:18sharpeyeah, many of us have.
04:22:05antil33theh
04:22:18antil33ti love the nerdy text when stuff loads.. its great
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04:49:06chendo1i'm having some really weird problems with rockbox... it doesn't start playing until it fills the buffer
04:49:20chendo1i even copied over a firmware that's working fine on my H340
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05:04:58chendo1ideas?
05:04:59Presencethat "transit" theme for ipod video is great.
05:09:06sharpechendol: what player?
05:09:18sharpechendo1, i mean.
05:11:18chendo1H320
05:11:19chendo1was US
05:12:21sharpehas it always done it?
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05:14:02chendo1no clue, i only flashed it last night
05:14:16ashridahtried completely resetting the config? (can't you hold rec while it's booting to get it to nuke the settings sector? )
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05:30:10chendo1ashridah: tried that, no difference
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05:30:16chendo1and yeah, i go into the buffer thing
05:30:18chendo1press play
05:30:24chendo1it loads -all- the way before it starts playing
05:30:33chendo1and i copied the firmware from my own iriver
05:31:30yawgwow, that was painless (just installed rockbox on an iAudio X5L)
05:31:38yawglove it
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05:33:09ashridahchendo: that's really weird. not something i've ever seen on a H1xx
05:33:09sharpeuh ohs.
05:33:13sharpei've got to fix the wiki.
05:33:21Paul_The_NerdFix the wiki?
05:33:21ashridahmaybe one of the devs will know better soon
05:33:29Paul_The_NerdAnd, what problem is chendo1 having?
05:33:44sharpesomeone accidentally removed a large portion of IpodInstallation
05:33:51Paul_The_NerdOuch
05:33:59Paul_The_NerdThe person trying to add the plug for the installer?
05:34:13sharpeyep.
05:34:20Paul_The_Nerd=/
05:34:26sharpei'll go ahead and fix it
05:34:28Paul_The_NerdPeople seem adept at breaking the wiki
05:34:43sharpeyes...
05:38:52sharpeheheh.
05:38:57sharpeforgot my login for the wiki.
05:39:15ashridahPaul_The_Nerd: his H3xx doesn't start playing until it's buffered data
05:39:25ashridahfinished buffering data, rather
05:40:41Paul_The_NerdIs there anything abnormal about it at all (changed HD, or anything)?
05:41:13sharpethere, fixed.
05:43:03sharpeah, somebody remove that guy from the wiki users?
05:44:28earHertzI do beleive I have code that will handle ipod sccelrated scrolling
05:45:29midkaysharpe, why?
05:45:59sharpemidkay: which ?
05:46:09midkay"someone remove him".
05:46:19sharpeasking if anyone had.
05:46:29sharpebecause it seems someone did
05:46:41midkaymaybe "did somebody remove him?" would be smarter than "somebody remove him?".
05:46:48sharpemeh.
05:46:51midkayclearer, at least..
05:46:56sharpehe was already removed by the time i wrote it :)
05:47:12midkayso indeed a 'did' would make things clearer.
05:47:22sharpein my mind it was clear. hah.
05:47:28midkayha..
05:47:52sharpemidkay, do you still use that bootloader i sent you?
05:47:59midkayyeah.
05:48:09sharpedo you notice any difference?
05:48:15midkaywith..?
05:48:16sharpeer, in speed of loading-wise?
05:48:24midkaynot really..
05:48:29sharpei don't either.
05:48:44sharpei was just wondering.
05:48:51midkayit seems like it may take a little longer to read the settings + apply them, but if that, not noticeable at all really..
05:49:21sharpeif anything, you get to see your name for a split second longer. :-D
05:50:22midkaywell, not necessarily, since the slowdown should only be in loading the settings.. while the apple logo is still there.
05:50:40sharpei'll check what code i wrote... :)
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05:52:07chendo1whoops
05:52:09chendo1trying to fix it here
05:52:12chendo1but yeah...
05:52:23chendo1it doesn't start playing until the buffer is filled
05:52:29chendo1and it acts like it's frozen and stuff...
05:52:35sharpehmm...
05:52:37chendo1should i nuke .rockbox and copy a working one over?
05:52:54sharpewhy do i have lcd_clear_display() run when it loads the fgcolor/bgcolor?
05:54:26midkaybecause it's necessary?
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05:54:52sharpei mean, why not at the end?
05:54:59midkayat the end of...?
05:55:05sharpethe loading of the settings?
05:55:06chendo1any ideas?
05:55:11midkaythe colors must be set, then the lcd cleared, then the lcd updated.
05:55:18midkaydoesn't matter where, of course, just in that general order.
05:55:35sharpeyeah, but in this case, it's, color set, cleared, color set, cleared, updated.
05:55:53sharpei'm just asking myself this. :D
05:56:21midkayah..
05:57:22sharpei'm going on a trip tomorrow...
05:57:28sharpego me!
05:58:08sharpeand i won't even bother with trying to do something with rockbox.
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06:30:29midkaylaters, sharpe.
06:30:36sharpelater everyone
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09:23:14tongashi, any news from H300 battery issue (USB OTG chip) ?
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09:29:07thePianoManis that still an issue that 3.0 is waiting on?
09:29:17peturtongas: ask amiconn when he comes in...
09:29:28B4gderI
09:29:37B4gder'm sure we'll all get to know when there is progress
09:29:40peturthePianoMan: one of, there are other things
09:30:11*petur waits for a w0000t post of amiconn ;)
09:30:29thePianoMani'm looking in the 3.0 bug tracker at the moment for stuff i can do, but i only have an ipod 5g and most are for the iriver players
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09:34:03peturthePianoMan: correction, most are playback (swcodec) related - mostly same code for ipod and iriver
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09:37:45LinusNregarding the default wps discussion yesterday, i think we should have different default fonts for different targets
09:38:05LinusNi'd like 12 and 16 pixel versions of the default font
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09:40:52tongasamiconn: are you here ?
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09:44:46*petur spots evidence that amiconn got out of bed
09:45:25B4gderyou got him showing up on your amiconntracker device as well?
09:45:53peturmy amiconntracker is called mailbox :)
09:46:04B4gdernow now, don't ruin the fun
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09:56:05B4gderit looks like the ARM exception vectors are at 0x200
09:56:19B4gderbut other than so I don't know
09:56:42B4gderthere might be H10 users who know more
09:58:18merbananTHUMB or regular arm ?
09:58:37B4gderregular
09:59:11B4gderarm-elf-objdump -D −−target binary -marm [mi4file]
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10:41:38tucozLinusN: you mean having the same font for different targets, only in different sizes?
10:42:15LinusNyes
10:42:47tucozthat would be nice. But, I don't think that is very usefull in sizes > 12
10:42:52tucozas it is now
10:43:22LinusNthe 8 pixel font is really tiny on the 5g
10:43:29tucoz:)
10:44:54tucozrasher has the 12pt version on the bottom of this page rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/misc/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/misc/
10:45:19tucozThat works fine on the h1xx at least
10:45:20markunThe default font is clR6x8, there are also clR6x12.bdf, clR7x12.bdf and clR8x16.bdf
10:46:54tucozbut the 16 pt version isn't very complete (in terms of characters, I don't know what it's called.)
10:46:58tucoz?
10:48:06markuntucoz: ah yes, only 128 glyphs (for all the clR8x.. fonts)
10:48:56tucozso glyph is the proper name for character?
10:49:02tucozwhen talking about fonts
10:49:26LinusNyes
10:49:40tucozok
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10:58:07linuxstbAnyone know the wiki user YolandaTeo, and why he/she appears to have uploaded ipodpatcher.exe to the IpodInstallation wiki page?
10:58:28linuxstb(and worryingly, 6 weeks ago...)
10:58:43peturuh-oh
10:58:44linuxstbs/6/5/
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11:00:16linuxstbmd5sum seems to match my build, so it seems OK.
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11:00:40tucozhehe, that was just what me and Paul_The_Nerd was arguing about
11:01:00peturstill scary...can we disable uploading executables to the wiki?
11:01:13linuxstbWe probably should host them somewhere else.
11:01:14tucozthat we should keep the patchers/installers in a safe area
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11:09:25chendo1so... rockbox is still not playing on my H320 US until it fills the buffer?
11:09:52B4gderuntil it fills the buffer?
11:13:07markunchendo1: rockbox starts playing only after the buffer fill is completed?
11:13:13chendo1yes
11:13:23chendo1i've checked with the audio thread in the debug menu
11:13:26chendo1really weird.
11:13:34markunyes
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11:13:59markunnormal build with no patches?
11:14:36chendo1no, actually...
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11:14:55chendo1it's a H300 experimental, but the thing is it's the exact same firmware that's working on a H340 int that i have
11:15:30markunCan you check if unpatched rockbox has the same problem?
11:20:33chendo1i will
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11:22:38peturoh... what's up?
11:22:42amiconnThing is, I do initialise all the supposed-to-be usbotg related gpio pins the same way as iriver
11:23:28amiconnThen I try sending both the DC and the HC to sleep, as per embedded programming guide + some info from the disassembly
11:23:43amiconnHowever, the HC just refuses to go to sleep :(
11:24:33amiconnI write 0x06c0 to HC_CONTROL, but the chip doesn't seem to like that
11:24:51amiconnI can still access all HC registers, and when reading back HC_CONTROL, I get 0x0600
11:25:48peturI *may* have some time this weekend - you have a patch available? ;) Also, if Linus can confirm power consumtion is already reduced a lot, maybe you can commit what you have so far?
11:26:01amiconnEither we're still missing something stupid about the ports (LinusN? Any news about gpios?)...
11:26:15LinusNamiconn: haven't had time to work on it
11:26:55chendo1i've got no clue how you guys do things, but is it possible to do something like get some multimeter thing
11:26:56petursomething is probably waking up the HC after you send it to sleep
11:27:05chendo1and measure the voltage on the pins or something? ;/
11:27:05amiconn...or the chip needs to be properly initialised before it's possible to send it to sleep, i.e. the USB_RESET -> USB_SUSPEND transition might be invalid/forbidden/whatever
11:27:14chendo1on the normal firmware
11:27:18amiconnyes
11:27:41amiconnThe ISP1362 has 2 pins that indicate whether the DC and/or the HC is sleeping
11:28:27amiconnpetur: In retailos, there's a long & complex function sequence called between port initialisation and the send-to-sleep sequence
11:28:50amiconnI tried following that, but with no positive result so far
11:29:56chendo1well, a daily build runs fine ;o
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11:30:50peturit's been a while since I studied the iriver code :/
11:32:04amiconnsub_0_310B0664
11:32:14chendo1this is probably a stupid question, but since there's coldfire emulators, is there a way to run the iriver firmware in a simulator?
11:33:00linuxstbI don't believe the available emulators emulate the type of coldfire inside the iriver. You would also need to emulate the rest of the hardware...
11:33:04amiconnThis function (which calls a shitload of nested sub-function) seems to init the usbotg controller, and returns 0 on success
11:33:29amiconnIf (and only if) it returns 0, the send-to-sleep sequence is executed
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11:35:17chendo1do you guys use IDA to disassemble?
11:35:39peturyes
11:36:00peturchendo1: care to help a bit? ;)
11:36:38chendo1i have almost 0 experience with assembly :p
11:38:31chendo1and i'm not home at the moment...
11:38:52peturthat's ok, I'm not either :D
11:39:46amiconnMost of the iriver fw seems to be -O0 code
11:40:39peturand mov reg1 -> reg2 reg2 -> reg1 bloat ;)
11:42:03amiconnNot only regx->regy, but also regx->mem; mem->regy
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11:44:05chendo1-O0 code is good though yeah?
11:44:13chendo1i'd actually be interested to have a look
11:44:31chendo1if someone can tell me what settings i use when i get home
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12:15:38tucozpdftohtml of the manual. not very good. http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/pdftohtml/rockbox-build.html
12:16:06ashridahuh, isn't there latex2html ?
12:16:11ashridahwouldn't it be better to go from the source?
12:16:38tucozashridah, yes. But we have some 'custom' packages, like optional etc
12:16:48tucozthat latex2html doesn't handle very well
12:17:29tucozI am just trying some different optiona
12:17:31tucozs
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12:49:28Jungti1234http://cafe.naver.com/iriverb10/1053
12:49:29Jungti1234inside B10
12:51:07markunJungti1234: I updated the E10 wiki page
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12:51:55antil33tis there any way to donate without using pay-pal?
12:52:59tucozsend cash to Zagor :)
12:53:53antil33theh and what country does he live in?
12:53:59tucozSweden
12:55:33antil33toh thats about... a while away
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12:55:39antil33thope hed take NZD
12:56:05ScoTTie_maybe he'll take a sheep instead? ;p
12:56:29tucozAh, Rockbox needs a pet. The Rockbox Sheep :)
12:56:54antil33thmm
12:57:07antil33till see next time im at my mates place if i can get a pic of a sheep
12:57:18antil33tand write on it the rockbox sheep
12:57:28tucozantil33t, you can ask B4gder, LinusN or Zagor if it is possible to donate in some way
12:57:38Jungti1234markun: ok
12:57:50antil33thmm its just im not old enough to have a credit card :P
12:57:50tucozother than pay-pal
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12:58:28tucozok. But, you could contribute to Rockbox in other ways
12:58:34antil33tyes
12:58:47antil33tlike giving preshus hard drive space away
12:59:02tucozor set up a build server
12:59:16tucozhelp out with the manual, fix bugs etc
12:59:21antil33toh yep
12:59:22antil33tsure
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13:00:16tucozAll contributions are welcome
13:01:04antil33tlike sheep :P
13:01:30tucoz:)
13:03:34antil33theh i wuv rockbox
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13:06:30antil33tdoes rockbox overclock your ipod aswell>
13:06:46tucozno, rockbox doesn't overclock on any platform
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13:09:58amiconntucoz: r u sure?
13:10:10amiconnOn archos, we overclock the MAS when pitching up
13:10:21tucozhehe
13:10:25tucozdidn't know that
13:10:28amiconnThough you're right that we don't overclock the main CPU on any platform
13:11:45tucozyes, that was what I had in mind. Have to say, I wasn't too sure about the archoses though
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13:12:03amiconnThe archos CPU clock is fixed, nothing we can do about it
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13:12:22tucozok
13:12:27amiconnWe could overclock on iriver, iaudio and ipod
13:12:39amiconn..but there's no point in doing so
13:12:51amiconnWe want to save power, not waste it
13:12:51Mikachu3d spectrum analyzers!
13:13:08tucozand perhaps make it unstable
13:13:36Genre9mp3Mikachu: Why not just "Spectrum analyzers" ?
13:13:52Mikachuit was not an entirely serious statement
13:13:54tucozaren't the irivers underclocked even when boosting?
13:14:41Genre9mp3Mikachu: Hehe, I know...but a simple spectrum analyzer would be possible, I thin...
13:14:45Genre9mp3think
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13:16:16Genre9mp3We already have an Oscilloscope
13:16:53amiconntucoz: That's actually unclear. The MCF5249 is specced up to 120MHz in one package, and up to 140MHz in the BGA package iriver used.
13:17:21[San]does anyone think that a plugin to show the waveform of an mp3 file would be hard?
13:17:34amiconnBut (1) at least some of them have a hand-written "120" on them, and (2) according to LinusN the iriver doesn't run stable at 140MHz
13:18:02amiconnSo it might be that we actually overclock - very slightly
13:18:11tucoz124MHz?
13:18:14amiconnyes
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13:21:05linuxstb[San]: Do you mean the waveform of the currently playing audio, or just from an MP3 file on the disk?
13:22:45[San]currently
13:24:18linuxstbIsn't that what the oscilloscope plugin does?
13:25:12[San]oh
13:25:21*[San] doesn't have the oscilloscope plugin
13:25:28[San]i am using an old build
13:25:38[San]all the patches work
13:26:02[San]but, is the oscilloscope plugin just a peak meter or does it show it?
13:26:52*linuxstb waits for someone who knows more about the oscilloscope plugin to reply...
13:27:15ashridahit supports a few different modes from memory
13:27:29Mikachuit's works like a slow oscilloscope
13:27:40tucoz[San], there is a screenshot in the manual http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
13:27:47[San]thanks
13:27:57ashridahbut it only changes the way it draws it, not what it draws
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13:28:10amiconnOscilloscope doesn't show the actual waveform, it shows the amplitude envelope
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13:28:37[San]ah, that looks like what I need
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13:40:09tucozis it possible to raname a page in the wiki? I am thinking about the mi4 page
13:40:13tucozrename
13:40:44LinusNuse the "more" link
13:40:49tucozok
13:41:06LinusNbtw Mi4Format is not a wiki word either :-)
13:41:16LinusNlooks like it doesn't like numbers
13:41:22tucozhmm
13:41:30LinusN(just tried myself)
13:41:46tucozso I noticed
13:42:27tucozhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/WikiWord
13:42:46tucozit says that optional lowercase or uppercase letter(s) or number(s) is allowed
13:43:29tucozFileFormatMI4 works
13:43:42LinusNnice
13:44:07tucozaha, so it has to be UpperLowerUpper
13:44:28tucozfollowed by the optional characters/nubmers
13:44:30tucoznumbers
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14:15:36B4gderyou gonna rename it?
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14:26:09tucozI thought LinusN was going to, as the topic was locked.
14:26:24tucozoh, it is renamed now
14:26:34B4gdergoodie
14:26:58B4gderI have four different mi4 files now
14:27:13tucoza nice collection
14:28:44B4gderit also shows flaws in the current wiki page ;-)
14:29:08tucozhows that?
14:29:24B4gderI'll update it soonish with more findings
14:29:35tucozok
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14:31:31B4gderod is my friend
14:32:58tucoza linux distro is not only an os, it also provides you with lots of friends
14:33:21B4gderindeed!
14:33:25LinusNamen
14:33:25tucoznice little fellas that come in handy when you need them
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14:34:13linuxstbB4gder: Are the .mi4 files distributed within a Windows .exe, and that program is used to write the .mi4 files to the device's hard drive?
14:34:55B4gderin the sansa case, yes
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14:35:34linuxstbHave you looked inside the .exe for the contents of the mi4 files?
14:35:45B4gderno
14:36:10linuxstbI'm curious to know if they are the same as the ones written to the device.
14:36:26B4gdera very good thought
14:36:32B4gderthe exe is much bigger
14:36:47B4gder11.5MB
14:36:58B4gderwhile the mi4 is 5.4
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14:37:28tucoznot fw-oriented, but an open source project for the h10 http://easyh10.sourceforge.net/
14:37:35linuxstbThey are possibly just resources inside the .exe
14:39:12tucozand here are some links that could be worth checking out, as they make it possible to change fonts and bitmaps on the h10 http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=29095
14:40:25tucozhttp://iriver.wikia.com/wiki/H10
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14:44:11tucozmaybe the h10 info could be used for the other .mi4 files as well
14:46:23Zagorthere are some pretty good artists working on wpses these days
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14:49:11B4gderZagor: indeed
14:49:14gpoodoes the ipod mini or such with rocbox interface with pioneer
14:49:19gpoounit
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14:54:59tucozhttp://www.paul.sladen.org/toys/samsung-yh-925/ <- page about .mi4 on samsungs
14:55:02Zagorgpoo: define "interface"
14:55:21B4gdertucoz: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html
14:55:29B4gderI do link to most of those pages already
14:55:55tucozah. ok
14:56:20tucozoh, you have been busy ;-)
14:57:26peturB4gder: that page is already linked to from wikipedia ;)
14:57:33B4gder:-)
14:59:36Jungti1234markun?
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15:00:33linuxstbB4gder: When I run e200fw01.00.12.exe under Wine, it creates a temporary folder in /tmp called pft423.tmp before complaining I'm missing some MFC DLLs. That temporary folder contains two other folders - SKU_A and SKU_E, each with a pair of BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom and PP5022.mi4 files. The two BL* files are identical, but the two PP5022.mi4 files differ in size.
15:00:51B4gderaha
15:00:56linuxstb2c11dc0b10f1393115c54b17b6278cd2 SKU_A/PP5022.mi4
15:00:56linuxstb86db01ed5175f2e18ff833baa9f2660c SKU_E/PP5022.mi4
15:01:13B4gder2c11dc0b10f1393115c54b17b6278cd2 PP5022.mi4
15:01:28B4gderamerica europe?
15:01:32linuxstb:) There's also a "FWUpdater.exe" application
15:01:43B4gdermine is an american model
15:01:54linuxstbSounds logical then.
15:02:01Mikachuisn't it very odd that they aren't sending any docs?
15:02:48B4gdernot really
15:02:53Jungti1234oh tucoz
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15:07:53B4gder"Welcome to Recovery Mode"
15:08:03B4gder(from the e200's BL* file)
15:08:15tucozJungti1234, yes
15:08:33Jungti1234What program is it?
15:08:38Jungti1234EasyH10?
15:08:46linuxstbOne thing all these references to "PP5022" probably means is that the PP5024 is register-compatible with all the other PP502x chips. We know the PP5020, PP5021 and PP5022 are all compatible with each other already.
15:09:03tucozJungti1234, the link? I just tried to find some information on the portal player firmwares
15:09:15Jungti1234H10 firmware?
15:09:34B4gderlinuxstb: yeah, sounds very likely
15:09:35tucozJungti1234, EasyH10 is an open source program that lets you update your H10 (database) from Linux for instance
15:09:51tucozJungti1234, maybe the firmware also
15:09:54Jungti1234ok
15:09:56Jungti1234:)
15:10:09tucozJungti1234, but it's not a firmware replacement like rockbox :)
15:10:22Jungti1234hehehe
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15:11:41tucozseem like that sansa connection has fired off some interest for the pp chipsets at least
15:11:52gpooZagor you know ipod is controlled by in dash radio
15:12:30linuxstbgpoo: Rockbox doesn't support Apple's accessory protocol yet.
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15:12:44tucoz"the curious hackers over at rockbox can not resist trying to port their firmware to our player. let us send some players over and see what happens" ;-)
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15:15:47B4gdersurely you meant "the crazy kids at Rockbox" :-)
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15:16:45linuxstbB4gder: That header at the start of the .mi4 file looks suspciously like the ipod firmware partition header - I'm sure it will contain things like firmware length, load address, entry point and a checksum.
15:17:10B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4heads.txt
15:17:11linuxstbThe ipod format is documented here: http://ipodlinux.org/Firmware
15:17:56*linuxstb prefers the output of xxd...
15:18:23B4gderhm, didn't even realize I had that ;-)
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15:21:20B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4heads2.txt
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15:27:14linuxstbThe SKU_E version of PP5022.mi4: http://pastebin.com/712905 (filesize: 5363712 bytes)
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15:34:19B4gderthe wo bytes at offset 0x0A and 0x16 are always identical
15:34:22B4gdertwo
15:34:39Amienany ideas? i'v deleted my idtagfiles .. i force a tagcache .. i wait like 30-40 min (only 5mb filled on my ipod) .. still busy caching id-tags message .. when i reboot the ipod .. and my old id-tag files are back
15:35:45Slasheries, you need to reboot before you can use tagcache for the first time
15:35:48Slasheri+y
15:36:01tucozthere is something called the "aldi pod" as well. A german ipod clone with pp chipset
15:36:12Amienah .. so delete .. reboot .. and then force cache?
15:36:31linuxstbWell, the 32-bit LE number at 0x0014 is the filesize of the .mi4 (for both the e200 images).
15:36:40peturtucoz: It sold very well and the firmware sucked big time
15:36:46Slasherimm, delete, reboot, force tagcache update, wait until disxk spins down and reboot
15:36:53Slasherithen it should work
15:36:56Amienk .. gonne try
15:36:56tucoznot sure if their fw is downloadable, as aldi is some sorts of german super marker chain
15:36:57Amientnx
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15:37:26peturtucoz: it was made by medion (www.medion.de I think)
15:37:38tucozyes, I just found out
15:37:43petur:)
15:38:20peturI almost bought one when it came out
15:38:26B4gderlinuxstb: for the others too
15:39:10B4gder0x10 can be very well be the start address
15:39:19B4gderhm no
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15:40:06B4gder0x18 holds 0x200 LE so that might be it
15:40:14linuxstbThe 0x00000200 at 0x0018 could be the entry point - the first vector is the reset vector IIRC.
15:40:26B4gder:-)
15:40:28linuxstbas you said..
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15:49:37tucozhttp://www.cybertec.demon.nl/medion/firmware/Firmware1.4.2.zip <- firmware for the medion jukebox (portal player)
15:50:50peturhey, another mi4 file ;)
15:51:03*B4gder gets it
15:51:40petura coworker once bought an aldipod for his parents, I'll check if they still use it :)
15:51:51tucoz:)
15:52:27B4gderthere's obviously two kinds of mi4 files
15:52:29tucozyou can visit your coworkers parents and "borrow" it and see if the miss it
15:52:33B4gderone with big header and one with small
15:52:35tucozthey
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15:53:43B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4heads2.txt <= now with six mi4 headers
15:53:50linuxstbB4gder: That's probably the version number at 0x0004 - 0x0102 is small, 0x0103 is big...
15:53:56B4gderI think so too
15:54:00peturmore files: http://www.virginelectronics.com/downloads.htm
15:54:55peturand an interesting link: http://solonweb.free.fr/tech.htm
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15:57:55tucozIt is possible that the Rca (Thomson) Lyra players also use pp
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15:58:36B4gderat least some of them use tms320
15:58:40linuxstbB4gder: The 4 bytes starting at 0x000c could be the checksum...
15:59:06tucozPortal Player lists Thomson (RCA) as one of their customers
15:59:14B4gderaha
15:59:32tucozhttp://www.portalplayer.com/customers/index.html
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16:00:21crashdhow's the reversing coming B4gder ? :)
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16:02:31B4gderwell, we seem to have figured out a few bits at least ;-)
16:02:52B4gderonly 30 million left
16:03:02tucozhaha
16:03:44tucozyou should bribe stripwax to figure those out
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16:11:42B4gderoffset 0x08 is always a number near the file size
16:12:44linuxstbI noticed that as well.
16:16:23B4gderthe file sizes is always an even 0x400 size
16:16:49B4gder0x08 might be the actual data content
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16:43:18webguest43hello
16:43:37webguest43hello anyone
16:43:45Jungti1234hello
16:43:50louhello
16:43:58webguest43i need help with doom it says missing wad
16:44:06webguest43?
16:44:13louyou miss the wad file
16:44:45webguest43i installed the zip file like it says and it is in my ipod under rocks
16:44:48louyou need the original wad files in order to get it to work
16:44:55loudoom.wad
16:44:59loudoom2.wad
16:45:01louetc
16:45:10bluebrotherthey need to be in /games/doom
16:45:31bluebrotherlike described in the manual / wiki
16:45:38louya
16:46:04webguest43ty
16:46:12webguest43i go try that
16:46:35louhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom#Getting_Started
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16:50:11webguest43ow many wads are there because some do not have a url
16:52:21louthey are the original gamewads
16:52:32louthe ones that came with the original doom
16:52:34louyou need those
16:53:01louthey are not released yet under the 'abandoned software' policy hence are still copyrighted
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16:56:56Jungti1234bye
16:57:19Jungti1234E10's picture may do upload tomorrow.
16:57:30webguest43still not working
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16:57:50webguest43help!
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17:00:41webguest93webguest43: what do you need help with?
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17:12:55webguest43hello
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17:13:28webguest43how do i get to apple firmware ?
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17:13:40webguest43hello
17:13:44webguest43anyone there
17:14:00SevenIsPrimeyes
17:14:02SevenIsPrimeI am
17:14:11webguest43hello
17:14:19SevenIsPrimehello :)
17:14:25webguest43do u know how to get to apples firmware
17:14:27PaulJamwebguest43: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
17:14:43SevenIsPrimeit is all downloadable at http://www.rockbox.org/
17:14:55SevenIsPrimeor do you mean the original firmware?
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17:15:25webguest43ife saver
17:15:29webguest43life
17:15:38webguest43thanks man
17:16:52SevenIsPrimeAnybody interested in a port to the Samsung YP-Z5xxx player(s)?
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17:19:14tucozSevenIsPrime, you have one?
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17:29:07hardeephmmm, wps bitmap loading on archos recorder is really slow
17:29:24hardeepboot time with iCatcher wps went from 8s to 27s
17:29:40amiconnwps bitmap loading is slow on all targets
17:29:54hardeepthe boot time was negligible on ipod
17:30:02hardeeph100/h300/ondio added about 3s
17:30:11amiconnOn H300, iCatcher causes a very notable delay
17:30:21hardeepwent from 8s to 11s for me
17:30:26hardeepon h300
17:30:46hardeep6->9 on h100, 3->5 on ondio
17:31:20amiconnI think the load delay is mainly caused by the many seeks
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17:31:27hardeeppersonally, i think those numbers are okay... you can always change wps if you want faster boot time
17:31:30amiconnso it depends on how fragmented the disk is
17:31:33hardeepit's the archos recorder one that's bad
17:31:49amiconnOn Ondio, seek doesn't matter, because it's flash based
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17:32:12amiconn..but reading is slow, so you still see the 2 seconds increase
17:32:21hardeepyeah
17:32:48amiconnYou could try a full defragmentation of the recorder, and then check again
17:32:49hardeepi also agree with pixelma that it doesn't look all that great on ondio currently... will wait for his update
17:32:58amiconnI'd expect a vast reduction in boot time
17:33:10amiconn_her_ update...
17:33:14hardeephmmm, good point... i've been meaning to format/re-install anyways
17:34:14amiconnThis is why I still think the wps should support combined bitmaps
17:34:36hardeepagreed
17:34:43hardeepdid someone release a patch for that?
17:34:51Mikachui thought you decided to use tar?
17:34:58amiconnMaking combined bitmaps mandatory will make developing a wps harder, so the loader should support both ways
17:35:22amiconnUsing tar would be another option, but that adds an extra layer to the loader
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17:36:03amiconnI guess some comparison tests are due...
17:36:55amiconnHmm, anyone using iCatcher on nano?
17:37:19hardeepi just tried ipod video
17:37:31Mikachui was just about to try it amiconn
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17:38:43amiconnhardeep: I asked for nano for a reason... flash disk
17:39:07amiconnI expect the added boot time to be neglectible on nano
17:39:59Mikachui didn't notice any extra delay, but i already had a bmp background in my wps before
17:40:26amiconnHmm, could you compare boot time w/ default wps and boot time w/ icatcher?
17:40:47Mikachui don't see the point of that stupid spinning thing when paused though
17:40:48Mikachu:)
17:41:53hardeepamiconn: ah, okay
17:42:06Mikachuwith rockbox_default, it is 7 seconds from pressing menu until i hear music in the headphones
17:42:17hardeepthe interesting thing is that the difference in time was negligible on ipod video
17:42:52Mikachuexactly the same with icatcher
17:42:54amiconnhardeep: Yeah, maybe that's less fragmented
17:43:32Mikachubut i won't use it, because 6+12x13 doesn't fit
17:44:53linuxstbhardeep: I've noticed the ipod video has a very fast disk compared to my ipod 4g and h140.
17:45:04linuxstb(30GB ipod video)
17:45:05amiconnI think it's a fragmentation issue. Loading 40+ bitmaps which are scattered all over the disk will take a while
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17:47:23hardeepwell, it looks like my changes to select a different default theme are working at least
17:47:42hardeepnow we just need to decide what it's going to be =)
17:48:00tucozI wonder, wouldn't the simplest way towards a combined bitmap support be to simply merge the bitmaps and have a header with filnemas and indices to them?
17:48:08tucozfilename
17:48:08tucozs
17:48:23tucozindex:length pairs
17:48:23hardeepthe wps could be the header file
17:48:33linuxstbYou mean like a .tar file? ....
17:48:43tucozlinuxstb, is that how simple a tar file is?
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17:49:03Mikachutar files don't have indices at the start, they are just put between the files iirc
17:49:17tucozah, that is probably faster
17:49:28Mikachubecause they are meant to be put on tapes originally
17:49:36Mikachuwhere seeking is _extremely_ slow :)
17:49:42linuxstbEven simpler, just cat the .bmp files together in the order they appear in the .wps
17:49:57tucozwouldn't you need an index table?
17:50:01Mikachudo bmp files have headers?
17:50:03Amienif i change the id3tags using anapod .. and than rebuild tagcache in rockbox .. then it creates the old id3tag list .. while the original ipod software shows all the correct id3tags
17:50:08amiconnMikachu: Yes
17:50:15tucozbut why search for headers, if an index is created?
17:50:22Mikachuah, silly me, they must
17:50:35linuxstbI would expect the .bmp to have the length in the header - so you just read them one after the other.
17:50:36Mikachutucoz: after you've parsed the first .bmp, you know where the next one must start, ie the next byte
17:50:54tucozah, of course.
17:50:58amiconnlinuxstb: Yes, the length is stored in the header
17:51:14tucozoh, then cat them together would work just fine
17:51:20amiconnBMP headers are rather simple.
17:51:28amiconnAll numbers are little endian though
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17:51:53tucozbut if someone changes the order of the bitmaps in the wps, then the combined bitmap has to be rebuilt
17:52:16tucoza minor issue, might just notify wps-artists of that
17:52:18tucozand KISS
17:52:23Mikachuyou could make a little script that "compiles" the wps
17:52:25amiconn..and some longs aren't long aligned
17:52:43Mikachushouldn't be hard to provide both a .sh and a .bat
17:52:49amiconnCheck apps/recorder/bmp.c for the header struct
17:54:37tucozdo i remember correctly, that the recorders load tracks faster than the irivers?
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17:54:53tucozthat is a vanilla recorder
17:55:16Mikachuis reading from the disk/flash parallell to processing stuff? or does it need the full attention of the cpu?
17:56:41tucozbbl
17:57:09linuxstbMikachu: I think it blocks the CPU.
17:58:10Amienshould i delete itunesdb?
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17:58:25linuxstbAmien: Up to you. Rockbox never touches it.
17:58:44Amienbut where does the tagcache take the id3 froms?
17:58:48Amien-s
17:58:53linuxstbThe files.
17:59:29Amieni changed the id3 using anapod .. ipod software shows them correctly .. but when i let rockbox force tagcache .. the old id3's are taken
17:59:49linuxstbIn which case, anapod didn't update the tags in the files.
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18:00:10Amienanapod only updates the itunesdb?
18:00:27linuxstbAlso, tagcache doesn't deal with updates very well - that may be the issue. Try deleting the tagcache files in .rockbox and rebuilding it from scratch.
18:00:42Amientried that .. takes old id3
18:01:04linuxstbSo it seems that anapod doesn't update the files.
18:01:16linuxstb(I've never used it...)
18:01:49Amienyou are right .. just copied a mp3 to HD .. and checked id3 .. old id3 still there :(
18:02:06Mikachuso possibly just using the cocpu for reading stuff could speed things up a lot, at least on ipods
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18:03:13linuxstbMikachu: Not really - it would still block the calling thread. Better solution would be to optimise (in ARM) the disk read/write functions.
18:03:16Amienand thoughts on a good id3 prg to change?
18:03:36Mikachulinuxstb: i was thinking about maybe doing some very small readahead
18:07:08Mikachui mean in theory, not about implementing it :)
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18:09:08linuxstbMikachu: I think we should do the simple optimisations first... And leave the COP sleeping (for the sake of the battery)
18:09:38Mikachui trust you know better
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18:13:43Higgyamiconn: someone just posted on misticriver a link to this pdf for the isp1362
18:14:14Higgyon page 36 is a diagram which seems to suggest a sequence of events between start and a_suspend_req
18:14:30Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Thank you for catching the Cowon thing. With all those iSomethings, I just got in a trend and forgot that was a line of players and not the company.
18:14:52Higgypossibly what the series of function calls in the iriver firmware is doing?
18:15:25Higgysorry, pdf is at http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/ISP1362-04.pdf
18:16:41Higgyalthough i guess you have the datasheet anyway... ;)
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18:21:17webguest14hi
18:22:22webguest14i am having trouble booting rockbox in my ipod photo 30gb
18:23:12webguest14someone can help?
18:23:12Paul_The_NerdWhat sort of trouble? That's a very vague question.
18:23:25webguest14yes. i was trying to see if someone was listening
18:23:49webguest14when i boot it detects (or thinks it detects) usb connected and it goes to disk mode
18:24:00Paul_The_NerdWith no cable attached?
18:24:03webguest14even when disconnected from anything
18:24:06webguest14yes
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18:24:54webguest14i did boot rockbox some times but kind of juggling with cable and keypresses so I am not sure what combination does the trick
18:25:09Paul_The_NerdWe haven't solved that one yet. It only affects a few people, and as far as I can tell it's not a Rockbox thing, though it's a little unclear what it *is* related to. If you can compile your own copy of Rockbox, disabling USB detection will make it work fine.
18:25:25webguest14yes i was thinking of it
18:25:32webguest14but i dont have the compiler
18:25:42webguest14what are you using for compiling?
18:25:44Mikachuwhat happens if you hold down menu? i think that is the key to override usb detection
18:25:48Paul_The_Nerdarm-elff-gcc
18:25:55Mikachudon't hold it down from the very start because then you'd boot apple
18:26:12Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Yes, but that's the key to override it once you're in Rockbox. It's the key to boot up the retail firmware in the bootloader. There *might* be a timing that would work.
18:26:28Paul_The_NerdMikachu: But I was trying it with an actual cable and couldn't get it to let me into Rockbox.
18:26:38Mikachuokay
18:26:45Paul_The_NerdDoesn't mean you can't, just that I suck at it though.
18:26:48webguest14yes i hod down menu and plug/unplug the charger cable and it does boot but it is hard to get the right sequence
18:27:34webguest14please tell me where i get the compiler
18:27:50Mikachuit is somewhere in the wiki
18:27:58webguest14ok i´ll find it
18:28:01Paul_The_Nerdwebguest14: See the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
18:28:05bluebrotherwebguest14, you get the compiler at gnu.org
18:28:06Mikachuthat's the one
18:28:43webguest14ok
18:29:10webguest14also rockbox seems to freeze for no reason, but I know it is in the bugtracker
18:29:28pixelmaa different quesion: who is BabyCooler in the wiki?
18:29:46Febsamiconn, someone identified this document in a thread on M.R.: http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/ISP1362-04.pdf
18:29:50FebsHave you seen that?
18:30:05Paul_The_Nerdwebguest14: That's "unsolved question #2" by the way. Though that one's likely to be solved probably more easily, but has to wait for 3.0 to get out the door probably.
18:30:41webguest14ok. I like rockbox. the ipod looks more a proper computer instead than just a ´super walkman´
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18:34:55amiconnFebs: That datasheet is already available on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets since September 2005 ...
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18:41:21Febsamiconn, OK, just wanted to make sure you had seen it.
18:41:33mirakhi
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18:42:45mirakis there a support for jpg file in wps ?
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18:42:52Paul_The_Nerdno
18:42:53Higgyhttp://users.ece.gatech.edu/~hamblen/DE2/Datasheets/USB/Embedded%20Programming%20Guide.pdf ?
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18:43:26Paul_The_Nerdmirak: Only bitmap
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18:43:46mirakPaul_The_Nerd: it's not possible to use the jpeg viewer ?
18:43:50mirakin the futur ?
18:44:13mirakI will wait that wps are included into rockbox
18:44:36Paul_The_NerdThere's no reason why jpegs couldn't be supported in the future, but there's no real reason to support them.
18:44:43Paul_The_NerdAnd... wait for what?
18:45:40amiconnHmm, now this is getting interesting :)
18:45:53*amiconn *seems* to have sent the HC to sleep
18:46:03FebsWoo-hoo!
18:46:12Genre9mp3\o/
18:46:30*amiconn fetches multimeter and magnifyingglass for a check
18:47:37mirakPaul_The_Nerd: no reason to support them ?
18:47:48mirakPaul_The_Nerd: why ?
18:47:53mirakmy arts cover are in jpeg
18:48:04Paul_The_Nerdmirak: And you can convert them.
18:48:06mirakor I don't even know in fact
18:48:06amiconnyeehah! H_SUSPEND is high!
18:48:24amiconnNow let it play for a while, then check temp
18:48:32Mikachutentative congratulations are in order
18:48:54mirakPaul_The_Nerd: you could say me to add support for them at least
18:48:57Paul_The_Nerdmirak: Before they're displayed on the screen, they have to be in the format of the framebuffer. Which means Rockbox must convert. From bitmap this is an easy and fast conversion. From jpeg it takes more processing power (and more battery) so it's better if a user does it in advance, since that only needs to be done once.
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18:49:08Genre9mp3amiconn: Great work!
18:49:35Higgynice one, amiconn!
18:49:47Higgyand the DC?
18:50:04mirakPaul_The_Nerd: you are putting in question all the compression concept
18:50:06miraklol
18:50:22mirakwell on the H300 there is a picture browser
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18:50:36mirakworks fine during playback
18:50:53Paul_The_Nerdmirak: And it decreases battery life.
18:51:01mirakPaul_The_Nerd: I am talking about covers jpeg, like in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300#Elephant_2_0 this page
18:51:02amiconnThe point is that album art pics will need to be preconverted anyway, to avoid (non-integer) scaling on load
18:51:23amiconnWe could support jpeg, at a certain maximum size
18:51:44mirakif it's done once per track playing, or even album, that's really not significant battery wise
18:52:00Paul_The_NerdBut it's also completely unnecessary.
18:52:03amiconnThere would even be an advantage - the pic could not only be 75x75 (or whatever resolution we settle at), but also 2x, 4x or 8x that resolution
18:52:28mirakthere is an idct scaler in the jpeg wiever
18:52:34amiconnAlso, afaik embedded album art is in jpeg format
18:52:34mirakyou could use any size
18:52:37Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: We should settle so that 2x is 50x50 and 4x is 100x100
18:52:40mirakof jpeg
18:52:51amiconnmirak: Not *any* size
18:53:06mirakamiconn: why not ?
18:53:19amiconnidct scaling on load can do 1/1, 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8
18:53:45Genre9mp3amiconn: embedded album art is usually in jpeg format...but can be also bmp or png or etc.
18:54:10amiconnGenre9mp3: Well, we surely will support a subset only, if at all
18:54:24Paul_The_NerdI still vote for just bmp.
18:54:25*amiconn doesn't see the point of embedding *album* art in a *track*
18:54:40mirakPaul_The_Nerd: this is dumb
18:54:45amiconnThat means each album art pic exists >~ 10 times
18:54:47Genre9mp3Well...actually, I don't like embedded album art
18:54:58Genre9mp3amiconn: exactly
18:55:03mirakPaul_The_Nerd: if you try to block jpg incorportation.
18:55:21Paul_The_Nerdmirak: Why is it dumb? Either Rockbox has to convert your images, or you do, and you can do it once and not have to waste battery life doing so.
18:55:21mirakyou can could use only bmpp to save your battery if you want
18:56:13Mikachucall me crazy but isn't the jpeg decoder code quite big?
18:56:20mirakPaul_The_Nerd: then rockbox should convert them itself once in a cache folder
18:56:23amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: As I already said, supporting jpeg might no be too bad an idea
18:56:38Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: It might not, but it's still debate-able.
18:56:48mirakPaul_The_Nerd: that's what konqueror nautilus or explorer are doing
18:57:04Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: As you've also said, album art with one copy per track is silly. Users could create prescaled album art at 75x75 and 100x100 and just have two images.
18:57:12amiconnYou could store the jpeg in a bigger resolution, so that the album art loader would scale down, and you could view the same image full-res with the jpeg viewer
18:57:35Nico_Pwell the user could choose between flexibility (jpg) and saving battery (bmp) if rockbox supported both
18:57:37amiconnScaling down is much easier with jpeg than with bmp
18:57:39Genre9mp3amiconn: That would be very cool!
18:57:56amiconn..at least the idct scaling
18:58:00mirakNico_P: I think that with a caching system it would be the best compromise
18:58:03Mikachuamiconn: um, don't you just have to skip every second pixel on bmp?
18:58:09amiconn..which is (of course) not available with bmp
18:58:12miraktransparent and it saves battery
18:58:25amiconnMikachu: That would make covers look *very* bad
18:58:25mirakmore than converting each time I mean
18:58:48Mikachuamiconn: dct scaling accidentally does some bilinear scaling?
18:58:57mirakThe best zoom would be by fourier transformation
18:59:13amiconnYou would need to load full res (at least in stripes with as many lines as will end up in the same line in the downscaled image), then average the pixels
18:59:40amiconnMikachu: idct downscaling does intrinsic bilinear scaling
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19:00:30amiconnThis is how jpeg works
19:00:47amiconnEach image is split into 8x8 pixel blocks
19:01:15amiconnEach block is then transformed with a 2-d dct into a set of frequency coefficients
19:01:45amiconn..which are then quantized (this is the lossy part) and finally huffman compressed
19:03:15amiconnDownscaling at decoding just means to perform a partial idct, i.e. not using all coefficients, and transform into a 4x4 pixel (1/2 scale), 2x2 pixel (1/4 scale) or 1x1 pixel (1/8 scale) block
19:04:02Mikachuright
19:04:05amiconnSuccess! \o/
19:04:05tucozthat sounds pretty much like black magic
19:04:14tucozblack magic again ;-)
19:04:23amiconnNo measurable temperature difference between ISP1362 and environment
19:04:41Chamoiscongrats
19:04:43tucozcongratulations
19:04:50Chamoisa commit now !!
19:04:52tucozhehe
19:04:56amiconnThe problem I solved was a silly one - and the hint towards the state machine was a good one
19:05:27mirakamiconn: well you can relatively easily scale to what you want the uncompressed image, with fourier transformation as well
19:05:31amiconn..although the problem was in another, simpler, state diagram: see page 39 of the datasheet
19:06:00mirakyou transform into coefficient matrix, then you do the inverse, with appropriate parameters.
19:06:07mirakI did it with matlab
19:06:08amiconnIt's just that you can't send the HC from USBReset directly to USBSuspend, you need an intermediate step
19:06:13mirakin univ ...
19:06:17amiconn..sending it to USBOperational first
19:06:26tucozCould the ipod battery issues have a similar cause? Like, a cop not sleeping or some other chip?
19:06:34Higgyah, right
19:06:38Higgywell congrats :)
19:06:46tucozaha
19:07:08amiconnNow I need to diff against cvs, clean up a bit, and then commit ....
19:07:11Nico_Pamiconn: how far away are you from commiting this beauty ?
19:07:16Nico_P^^
19:07:24tucoznow, is this posted on mr already?
19:07:49amiconnCertainly not by me
19:08:16Nico_Pamiconn: you're going to become almost as famous as linus over at MR ;)
19:08:25Higgytucoz: yep
19:08:27tucozno, but things like this usually gets posted there the second the w00t is written
19:08:34tucozHiggy, for real? hehe
19:08:34amiconnNow I need to reassemble my H340, charge fully, then perform a runtime test...
19:08:59tucozhehe, cool topic. 'Latest news from irc' :D
19:09:05*amiconn expects a runtime similar, or exceeding, the H140 runtime
19:09:13Mikachumr is like the slashdot of rockbox
19:09:40amiconnThat's why I tend to ignore it...
19:09:55Higgyhehe
19:10:09tucozwell, now you're this weeks poster boy over at MR
19:10:10Genre9mp3amiconn: As petur expected....I think this is the w0000t post of you after all...
19:10:11Genre9mp3:)
19:10:11Higgyme too, mostly
19:10:19ZenMasterJGMR?
19:10:24tucozMistic River
19:11:11ZenMasterJGhmm. cool.
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19:11:26tucozamiconn, i am impressed with your success, but also the inventiveness(?) to find the culprit
19:11:45earHertzIs there a way to get timing onm the ipod with a higher reoslution than ticks/
19:11:57*Genre9mp3 dances the ISP1362 tame dance!
19:12:01Genre9mp3:P
19:12:12amiconnearHertz: You can read the hardware microsecond timer
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19:12:32earHertzamiconn: IS THAT COSTLY TO DO?
19:12:38tucozGenre9mp3, ...to the ISP1362 lullyby
19:12:47amiconnouch!
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19:13:01amiconnDon't scream so loud ;)
19:13:10Genre9mp3WOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!
19:13:13earHertzorry, I accidently hit caps lock
19:13:15senabobo: i got it working
19:13:20*amiconn has sensitive ears
19:13:40obosenab: good job
19:14:12*Genre9mp3 jumping instead of shouting
19:14:18Genre9mp3:)
19:14:20senabit was the scrobbler plugin, it wasn't putting a , in when defing LANG_SCROBBLER
19:14:27[San]fixed????!?
19:14:32tucozGenre9mp3, don't wake up the baby. It's sleeping ;)
19:14:36*[San] pats amicon on the back
19:14:39oboah, yeah, cos it was the last entry in the struct
19:14:48*[San] hands Amiconn a cool beverage
19:14:49[San];-)
19:14:52earHertzamiconn: so, how does one read yej microsecond timer?
19:14:59senabyep, its in the latest build anyway :)
19:15:08Genre9mp3Cant't wait for a battery_bench...
19:15:11[San]avable to download?
19:15:13obocool, hope it goes down well after your work on it
19:15:37tucozwhat is up with the build server. Is it still stuck?
19:15:47Typoboynice work amiconn!! /cheer
19:15:48obowaiting for a commit I think...
19:16:02tucozah, still waiting the poor bugger
19:17:17*Genre9mp3 puts his H340 to charge ;)
19:17:24amiconnI need to change something in system.c first
19:17:42amiconnI have 2 changes which overlap *within* 3 lines
19:17:53amiconnI'll commit both, but separate
19:18:08Genre9mp3amiconn: Can't wait...
19:18:17senabcheers for the help anyway obo
19:18:19amiconnPatience, grasshopper... ;)
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19:19:09obosenab: no problem (not that I did a lot...)
19:20:23*Paul_The_Nerd thinks amiconn should make them wait 24 hours, for "further testing"
19:20:37senabobo: lol ok u didn't
19:20:45amiconnMaybe I should do a complete runtime test first? ;)
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19:20:50tucozhaha
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19:21:03obomore than one run, need to make sure you get a decent average
19:21:08Genre9mp3amiconn: No...it will (hopefully) take ages!
19:21:30Higgyhaha
19:21:37tucozWhich rewards a second and a third round. Just to make sure...
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19:23:11earHertzamiconn: is it as simple as inl (0x60005010)?
19:23:29linuxstb_Easier - just use the USEC_TIMER #define
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19:23:57earHertzlinuxstb: where's that #defined?
19:24:18linuxstb_pp5020.h
19:24:23earHertzthanks
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19:24:43linuxstb_You just use it like a variable - e.g. "current_usec_tick=USEC_TIMER;"
19:25:09earHertzoh, that's easy
19:25:17linuxstb_Be aware that it will wrap relatively frequently though.
19:25:30linuxstb_I think it's about 72 minutes.
19:26:29linuxstb_It's obviously also specific to Rockbox devices with PP502x CPUs, so you'll need an alternative for the UI sim and other targets.
19:27:36earHertz72 minutes, it's a 32bit values, right?
19:28:01linuxstb_tucoz: Yes, I expect the poor ipod runtime has a lot to do with Rockbox not powering things down properly. But without hardware docs...
19:28:20linuxstb_earHertz: Yes, unsigned 32-bit.
19:28:37earHertz72 minutes is more than adequate
19:29:12linuxstb_What do you need it for?
19:29:30earHertzI've written some code to calculate scroll wheel ticks
19:29:44earHertzer, wheel scrolls per tick
19:30:32earHertzso 10000 microseconds per tick, yes?
19:31:12linuxstb_Yes.
19:33:42tucozlinuxstb, came to think of that
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19:46:55linuxstb_amiconn: Nice commit...
19:47:59BHSPitMonkeyo.O
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19:51:34earHertzis there a howto on adding settinsg and menus?
19:53:08linuxstb_There are some comments in settings.c
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19:54:15earHertzI remmerb spending as lot of time in srettings.c, trying to make the code more regular and smaller, back in 2003. never suceeeded.
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20:02:54Typoboyanyone played around with the Rockbox Cover Art script in Amarok? just curious how well it works
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20:05:57mongeywhen can i download the rockbox h300 with the chip asleep
20:06:09scorcheamiconn: grats!
20:06:32*mongey dcc's amiconn his congradulations
20:08:45amiconnmongey: Now. Just fetch the latest cvs build
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20:11:43XavierGramiconn: from me too, congratulations!! Now I am charging my H340 to make a battery_bench
20:12:04amiconnI'm already charging it...
20:12:33Genre9mp3me too...
20:12:35XavierGrdamn I missed the moment. I was watching the news... :(
20:12:41Genre9mp3oh boy oh boy... :)
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20:14:03XavierGramiconn: did you say that the isp1362 had 7C difference from retail OS?
20:15:26scorcheXavierGr: i believe it was difference from the rest of the board
20:17:13amiconnyes
20:17:20XavierGrwow
20:17:28XavierGrthat is a large difference.
20:17:46amiconnThe isp1362 run 7°C warmer than the rest of the board in rockbox
20:17:56amiconnIn retailos there was no measurable difference
20:18:00XavierGrno wonder where this battery time was consumed.
20:18:30amiconnThis was with the board in free air, isp1362 facing upward
20:18:39XavierGrhow do you print the little circle next to C?
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20:19:11XavierGrI can't find this special character on my keyboard
20:19:22scorcheit isnt
20:21:34amiconnHehe, on the german keyboard it's on a key
20:23:58amiconnBut there are at least 2 ways to input characters not available on a key (in windows - dunno about linux here)
20:24:33scorchewell....if your irc client can support html tags also
20:24:37linuxstbGnome has a "character map" app for inserting special characters.
20:24:43amiconn(1) Alt + character code. (2) A small utility belonging to windows (don't know its english name)
20:24:57bluebrothercharmap.exe
20:26:16mongeyso my h300 should have double the time?
20:26:37linuxstbAh, it's ALTGR+SHIFT+0 on my keyboard in Gnome...
20:27:41XavierGrctrl+alt+e will print the euro sign for me(€)
20:28:21XavierGrbut no other key will output anything doing this.
20:29:41amiconnAlt + 0176 (hold Alt, then type 0176 on the numericpad)
20:30:03amiconnNumlock must be enabled
20:30:37ender`XavierGr: it depends on the keyboard locale
20:30:46XavierGr°
20:30:47XavierGryay
20:30:50XavierGrthanks amiconn
20:31:04XavierGramiconn: wow and you remember that?
20:31:09*ender` has ° on AltGr+5,Space
20:31:15XavierGrI mean the number
20:31:33ender`(AltGr = right Alt = Ctrl+Alt)
20:31:45amiconnI didn't. I just checked it in the charmap utility
20:32:02XavierGris it a windows utility?
20:32:16ender`XavierGr: Start->Run->charmap->Enter
20:32:22XavierGrah okay thanks
20:32:31XavierGrnice
20:32:47amiconnOn a german keyboard, the key left to "1" has ^ and °
20:33:13ender`it has ¸ and ¨ here :)
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20:33:26BHSPitMonkey`~
20:33:39XavierGr`~
20:33:45scorche`~
20:33:50XavierGryeah the tilde key
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20:34:03ender`tilde = AltGr+1 :)
20:34:12mongeyso now ive put the latest build on my battery should be normal if not better now?
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20:35:40*petur pongs XavierGr
20:35:44XavierGrpetur: Now at last you can right a USB OTG interface ;P
20:35:52peturI know
20:35:54*Genre9mp3 pangs both of you!
20:35:56Genre9mp3:-P
20:36:38Genre9mp3right = write, write? :-P
20:36:39amiconnpung
20:36:45XavierGrops
20:36:49peturI hope to get some time this weekend to look at it (if amiconn publishes his driver ;) )
20:37:02XavierGrhe just commited it, no?
20:37:03amiconnpetur: Look at the frontpage :)
20:37:07XavierGr:D
20:37:24*petur just booted his pc - give him a break ;)
20:37:31XavierGrah he didn't hear the news...
20:37:39amiconnbooh :)
20:37:52peturnope, was eating thai with my wife
20:38:31peturwhoa... it sleeps completely?
20:38:55Papricathe download speed from rockbox is slowwwwwww
20:39:11mongeyPaprica any new plugins ?
20:39:19mongey:P
20:39:36Papricai'm downloading the Bleeding edge in 0.8kb
20:39:37Paprica=\
20:39:37XavierGrpetur: many of us are already charging our H300s to make tests!
20:39:47Papricamongey, not yet =\
20:39:49peturyippie
20:39:51Papricahaha :)
20:39:54XavierGrPaprica I can imagine why
20:40:07Papricamongey, did you see chopper?
20:40:17mongeychopper? nope
20:40:20XavierGrAll people that heard of it will just rush in and get it.
20:40:30*mongey lost his charger
20:40:30*amiconn decides that his result warrants a beer and a dvd movie
20:40:32idnarheh
20:40:41Genre9mp3Paprica: I am downloading at 80KB/sec
20:40:42peturamiconn: sleeps completely?
20:40:51Papricamongey, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4802.0
20:40:51XavierGrpetur yes.
20:40:54amiconnyupses
20:41:03*petur hands amiconn a Belgian beer of his choice
20:41:05mongeyi love that games
20:41:22mongey*game
20:41:25Papricanow it's 1.5 kb/sec
20:41:39*amiconn never tried belgian beer so far
20:41:49Papricamongey, which target do you use?
20:41:51peturhahahah even my cygwin will build it faster :p
20:41:56mongeyh300
20:42:02mongeywell
20:42:04*XavierGr drinks a beer for amiconn
20:42:07mongeythats my dap
20:42:16mongeyi use beer cans as targets
20:42:18mongey:D
20:42:19*petur already had some
20:42:19Papricaok
20:42:21Paprica:)
20:42:35petur2.5 Leffe :)
20:42:37mongeywhere do i get the .rock ?
20:42:38*Genre9mp3 remembers drinking Warsteiner in Berlin
20:42:44*Paprica is too yung to drink beer
20:42:50Genre9mp3I really enjoyed that beer...
20:42:54Papricayoung*
20:42:55*mongey is too
20:43:02*mongey is too young too
20:43:06XavierGrwow and I though I was young
20:43:13*mongey is 14
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20:43:21mongey:)
20:43:28Paprica16 here :)
20:43:34*amiconn is already 34
20:43:48*petur beats amiconn with a year
20:43:50Papricaamiconn, can you drink for me too?
20:43:51*XavierGr will turn 23 in july
20:43:59mongey15 in july
20:44:11*Genre9mp3 wonders what is amiconn's favorite beer
20:44:42amiconnI have no special favourite.
20:44:47peturprobably black&white, small screen and fast drink time
20:45:03XavierGrhaha
20:45:15XavierGrthat was a good one :P
20:45:15Paprica20 minutes to download the bleeding edge
20:45:16amiconnI often try different beers, but I have a slight favourite - Hasseröder
20:45:18Papricavery sad
20:45:36mongeyPaprica: where is the plugin
20:45:50*Genre9mp3 fetches an empty bottle of Flensburger Pilsener that I took as a souvenir from Berlin
20:45:53amiconnReboot, windows update
20:46:07Papricamongey, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535
20:46:08Genre9mp3I think Germans know better...;)
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20:46:44mongeychopper.diff ?
20:46:55Papricayou need to compile it
20:46:56peturamiconn updates his pc a bit late - the security updates were tuesday
20:47:08Typoboyhmm i just got the bleading edge build in 10 secs..
20:47:20mongeywait
20:47:20*Paprica cant update his windows
20:47:24mongeyim confused
20:47:30mongeypirate
20:47:44mongeyarnt plugins .rock ?
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20:48:00Papricayes, they are .rock
20:48:05Papricayou need to compile it
20:48:12mongeyahhhhhhhhhh
20:48:25mongeyanyone wanna send me a compiled one?
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20:49:45linuxstbmongey: There are 18 different targets, each needing their own compile...
20:49:52preglowbeh
20:49:56preglowamiconn: nice work
20:50:07Papricamongey, accept my send
20:50:11Papricaits for h300
20:50:38peturanybody got Linus to measure current ?
20:50:58amiconnWhere's Linus when you need him? ;)
20:51:14peturdrinking beer probably ;)
20:51:18amiconnHonestly, I expect completely sane current values
20:51:23mongeyPaprica send again
20:51:38Papricasec
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20:52:01Paprica...
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20:52:06preglowamiconn: so it's completely alseep now?
20:52:21mongeydamn
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20:52:31mongeyPaprica can u upload it somewhere?
20:52:42amiconnYes. At least the *_SUSPEND pins and the temperature tell me it is
20:53:05Genre9mp3hehe...ISP1362...it's bedtime!
20:53:06Papricayep
20:53:07Papricasec
20:53:09mongeyso it was like a second cpu ?
20:53:19Papricahttp://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=81F9DD2A1ADC4E14
20:53:39*mongey hopes his mam finds his h300 charger
20:53:42peturpreglow/amiconn: shall I prepare recording code that boosts only for spdif (and slowspeed for line-in). I will wait at least a week until I did a full evening concert recording to be sure it's stable
20:53:55mongeyty
20:54:19PapricaNOP
20:54:33petur12 of them ;)
20:54:58*petur saw the nops in amiconn's code
20:55:09mongeyso Paprica anything else that youve ported?
20:55:17peturamiconn: so it really needs 'm?
20:55:22Papricano :)
20:55:49amiconnpetur: It probably doesn't, but I've left them in for now
20:56:12peturnice
20:56:13Papricai have an exams session at scholl
20:56:16amiconnJust 4 nop's for reading and none at all for writing did work here too
20:56:34amiconnBut now, dvd
20:57:08XavierGrhave a good watch amiconn
20:57:19peturI've learned a lot about usb last week(s) - have written a usb driver for winCE, so I hope it will come of some use when looking at usbotg
20:57:29Genre9mp3...and a lot of beer, too
20:57:38preglowhaha
20:57:47preglowpetur: sounds good
20:58:04preglowpetur: so only spdif recording is affected by the boosting problem?
20:58:15peturand I love it when stuff starts to work right before the weekend
20:58:33peturpreglow: so I heared
20:58:39peturI have a h340
20:58:45preglowahh, right, right
20:58:46mongeywhere can i get a doom wad
20:58:54*preglow wants to do some more recording work
20:59:15preglowi'd love to support further sample rates
20:59:23peturline-in recording works fine unboosted - but haven't tried more than 30 mins so far
20:59:31mongeyalso any chance of making the boot up of rockbox a bit more visual
20:59:34preglowi can't think why it wouldn't work
20:59:42preglowmongey: is it so long that it's needed?
20:59:47preglowrockbox boots fast and fine here
20:59:56mongeyno
20:59:59mongeywell
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21:00:00peturI have a gig next week of 4+ hours, so any batt saving will be needed ;)
21:00:31mongeyif the image can come on as a backdrop behind the text
21:01:08mongeythat would be nice
21:01:09mongey:P
21:02:48preglowpetur: how long does rockbox currently last while recording?
21:03:07peturno idea, let's test :)
21:04:27peturhmmm how do you remove attachments from the wiki?
21:05:02preglowgod knows
21:05:05linuxstbPaprica: I've just tried Chopper on my ipod 5g, and it's working nicely. I have to admit I don't like the game, but that's not your fault :)
21:05:09preglowi've gotta go around the shops
21:05:17preglowchopper?
21:05:20linuxstbpetur: You move them to the trash... Select "More" at the bottom-right corner.
21:05:41peturah... thanks!
21:05:56linuxstbpreglow: Paprica's latest game: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5535
21:06:10*petur dumps his isp1362 test code
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21:13:10Papricalinuxstb, im glad to hear that it works nice :)
21:14:58toxicfumeI heard that it is possible to have a dual boot on the iPod with Rockbox, as in - having both the original Apple ipod OS and RockBox, is this true?
21:16:08Febstoxicfume, yes.
21:16:30toxicfumeFebs: How do you switch between the two after you have Rockbox installed?
21:16:38FebsPress and hold the Menu button while booting to enter the ipod firmware.
21:16:57*Genre9mp3 just started a battery bench
21:17:10PapricaGenre9mp3, h300?
21:17:17Genre9mp3yup
21:17:23Papricagood
21:17:29Genre9mp3h340
21:17:38*Paprica is waiting to the results
21:17:54toxicfumeFebs: ahh okay, and if I make a new Rockbox installation, I can still play my itunes imported MP3s normally if i boot into the ipod firmware right?
21:17:58Genre9mp3Hopefully will take some time...;)
21:18:06*midgey34 has an h320 test in progress as well, 35 min. in
21:18:36midgey34using iCatcher WPS
21:18:50Genre9mp3midgey34: :)
21:18:58linuxstbtoxicfume: Yes, Rockbox doesn't change anything about how the Apple firmware and itunes behaves. It just gives you the choice of not using them.
21:19:13toxicfumenice!
21:19:21toxicfumethanks linuxstb
21:19:32midgey34Genre9mp3: what files are you testing? I'm running an album of 192kbps MP3s
21:19:58toxicfumelinuxstb: about how much space would Rockbox take on my ipod after it's installation?
21:20:01Genre9mp3MP3 128Kbps Volume -25dB
21:20:11linuxstbtoxicfume: Just a few MB
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21:20:29XavierGrGenre9mp3: Don't forget the power off disk options
21:20:31XavierGr-s
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21:21:37linuxstbtoxicfume: I've just checked - it's 13MB for my ipod 5g.
21:21:48linuxstbAbout half of that is the fonts.
21:22:02toxicfumeoh okay, that's alright
21:22:40toxicfumeI just want to try it out, i guess it can do more than just play music right? And is there any real permanant risk installing Rockbox?
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21:23:38FebsOn the ipod, there is very little risk, because you can always restore the ipod to its original state.
21:23:40linuxstbNo-one's permanently damaged their ipod with Rockbox yet... The worst that happens is that you have to run Apple's restore program which restores your ipod to the factory condition (and wipes any files).
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21:26:19*petur wonders why amiconn called the isp1362 driver rudimentary, he already included all register defines and all read/write stuff
21:27:45Genre9mp3XavierGr: Don't worry it's set to Yes
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21:31:31peturthe philips usbotg stack has audio/hid/hub/printer/storage device classes. do we want to print from Rockbox? ;)
21:31:54peturhub is useless...
21:32:04linuxstbPrinting photos could be desirable...
21:32:12peturfor hid, I guess just keyboard
21:32:42peturhmmm is this pictbridge stuff documented?
21:34:03linuxstb"PictBridge is sometimes described as an open standard, whereas in fact the specification can only be obtained from CIPA after agreement not to disclose any information from the specification to others (section 2.2 of the agreement)."
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21:34:46peturcrap
21:35:35peturPTP seems to be an ISO standard
21:35:59linuxstbgphoto2 would probably be the source for that...
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21:37:05peturbah... storage first
21:39:25Mikachutoxicfume: you can shrink the boot partition and make an extra partition to compensate if you want
21:40:01peturlinuxstb: first must write a usb driver that talks in terms of endpoints and stuff to unify access to all usbotg chips we'll (ever) have ;)
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21:47:01linuxstbDoes the Sansa support USBOTG?
21:47:32Genre9mp3linuxstb: No
21:47:58peturthe x5 does
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21:48:14linuxstbThe ipods do as well...
21:48:46linuxstbAnd the PP5024 in the Sansa does...
21:48:50GlueeaterInteresting
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21:50:46Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Yeah, the Sansa doesn't. All it's got is a dock port on the bottom that physically looks *almost* identical to the iPod's.
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21:51:48linuxstbMaybe the dock is connected to the PP5024's USBOTG pins though - in case Sansa want to add it as an option.
21:52:04Paul_The_NerdWe can hope. :)
21:52:28linuxstbAfter PortalPlayer send you all their docs, we can start working on it...
21:52:38Paul_The_NerdBecause of course they will, right/
21:52:39Paul_The_Nerd?
21:52:47linuxstbOf course - how could they refuse such an offer?
21:53:16Paul_The_NerdWell, the email's been sent, so we shall see. At least we'll finally have a formal "No" if they don't want to, and maybe they'll even say *why* they won't.
21:54:10linuxstbMy guess for "why" is so that they can continue to license their own Firmware Development Kit to companies buying their chips. I'm sure that's just as lucrative as the hardware itself.
21:54:43Paul_The_NerdMakes a lot of sense, yes.
21:57:29peturno it doesn't
21:58:01peturmost hardware vendors give you a complete devkit for free if you want to use their chips
21:58:52peturor even give a complete reference to persuade you to build youd device around their chipset
21:58:55linuxstbAnd no per-unit licensing fees?
21:59:13peturwell I don't know about portalplayer
21:59:35peturbut most microcontroller vendors just dump all on your desk ;)
21:59:42Paul_The_NerdPortalPlayer's making a very specific purpose chip though.
21:59:44linuxstbI'm just guessing that "closed docs" implies "expensive proprietory SDK"...
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22:00:11linuxstbBut then again, they need to encourage users to buy and use their chips.
22:00:12peturstarnge they ever get picked by even small vendors then
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22:00:18Paul_The_NerdReally they're almost making a whole MP3 player, and just letting it be rebranded.
22:00:49peturnormally they cont on selling chips - most chip vendors do
22:00:55peturcount even
22:01:24peturwe'll here in a few days I guess ;)
22:01:31peturs/here/hear
22:01:52*petur stops typing when drinking
22:01:56linuxstbI just can't think of any other logical reason for companies to be so protective of their documentation.
22:02:38peturit's not that you're going to rip them into your own design... you still have to buy them
22:03:10peturunless the chips are cheap and vendows buy a big one-time license
22:03:15Paul_The_NerdWell they've also not really had a reason to release them in the past, have they?
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22:12:31peturhey nice, they're broadcasting monty python again
22:12:40*petur runs off to watch tv
22:12:45Paul_The_NerdEither USB on the Go, or filetree browsing of the MicroSD slot on the e200 would be really nice for clearing space on a Digicam while on the go.
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22:20:25webguest16i believe that i heard someone claim (a long time ago, mind you) that implementing USBOTG would require writing a USB stack from scratch
22:20:47webguest16does anyone know whether this is really the case?
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22:35:19markunpetur: the S3C2440 in the Gigabeat has a OHCI USB 1.1 host controller
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22:39:04mirakhi
22:39:09amiconnpetur: Well, I called the driver rudimentary, since it is far from complete. It just handles simple register access, and all it actually does is sending the chip to sleep
22:39:12mirakmarkun: have you worked on video yet ?
22:39:47amiconnThe real challenge will be adding an actual USB stack including all the device classes we want to support
22:40:07mirakis doom playable on the ipod, or is it like on the H300 with horrible controls ?
22:40:28Paul_The_Nerdmirak: The h300 controls are actually considered better than the iPod controls.
22:40:35mirakduh
22:40:48Paul_The_NerdThen why did you ask?
22:40:51mirakthe problem on H300 is you can't go front and turn at the same time
22:40:53amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: I don't think the Sansa would be that useful as an image tank, being a flash device itself
22:41:02amiconnNot too much capacity to spare
22:41:13mirakPaul_The_Nerd: it's almost unplayable on H300
22:41:23mirakstrafing is hard also
22:41:26Paul_The_Nerdmirak: So why did you respond with "duh" when I answered your question?
22:41:39mirakPaul_The_Nerd: why do you want to analyse that ?
22:41:40*amiconn wonders why people care that much about video on a dap
22:41:54amiconnVideo is just a gimmick, nothing more
22:42:18Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I suppose it depends on which e200 you get, how big your SD card is, and other such things.
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22:42:39amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Well, my digicam uses Compact Flash
22:42:39mirakamiconn: it happened to me to watch a movie while waiting my clothes are washing at the pressing
22:42:46mirakamiconn: or in the train
22:43:04mirakamiconn: or in the metro or suburb train
22:43:08amiconnWell, you can watch even long movies on the archos
22:43:12Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Mine happens to be SD already. I like the idea also of being able to show pictures I've taken on the unit.
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22:43:24amiconnWhether it's fun to watch movies on a tiny screen is debatable
22:43:28mirakamiconn: yes, but I must bought one.
22:43:44amiconnThat said, I did convert all 3 Lord of the Rings movies to .rvf ...
22:43:48mirakamiconn: it's funnier than doing nothing and sitting on a sit
22:43:57mirakamiconn: I read.
22:44:03mirakbut sometime you don't want to read
22:44:13mirakor I sleep
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22:44:53mirakamiconn: it happened to me to watch a Lost episode in the metro
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22:45:08Vliger2002.
22:45:17mirakamiconn: seems you never take the train :)
22:45:35amiconnThat happens *very* rarely
22:45:42*amiconn prefers the car
22:45:43Vliger2002Has anyone checked out my port of Counter-Strike to Rockdoom?
22:46:03mirakwhen you take it everyday anything that can distract you is welcome
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22:46:38amiconn..or even the bicycle in the city
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22:46:48dionoeahello
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22:47:21mirakamiconn: honestly that's not possible. And when you see people in bycicles wearing gaz mask you prefer not try that
22:47:31amiconn??
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22:48:03mirakhere in paris, like in tokyo, people put gaz masks
22:48:18miraknot mustard gaz , gaz mask of course
22:48:24Vliger2002Hey ppl... come check out my port of Counter-Strike to Rockdoom! http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4611.0
22:48:34mirakmore like what you put to paint with a pistol
22:48:59mirakVliger2002: comon, rockdoom is already almost unplayable
22:49:08mirakbecause of the bad controls
22:49:09mirak:)
22:49:18amiconnI never saw anything like that here
22:49:22amiconn..in Berlin
22:49:52amiconnMy daily commute is like 14km each way
22:49:58Vliger2002well... if there were easier controls...
22:50:26mirakamiconn: here in paris you would get killed by cars
22:50:36mirakeven in a car that's scary
22:50:39*petur returns
22:50:42mirakso I can't imagine in bike
22:50:45Vliger2002But seeing how most of the mp3s have little controls, rockdoom is not easy to play
22:50:48mirakpeople are mad here
22:51:07Paul_The_NerdVliger2002: It's just a pwad. There's no need to keep pushing it, and it's not really a "port" of Counter-Strike anyway.
22:51:10*amiconn doubts that somewhat
22:51:17Vliger2002yeah... i guess not
22:51:19mirakVliger2002: yes it's really fine otherwise
22:51:35mirakamiconn: what ?
22:51:45mirakVliger2002: have you ever come in france ?
22:51:46*dionoea has a duke nukem for ever port for rockbox
22:51:51Vliger2002no i ahve not
22:51:54Vliger2002have*
22:51:59amiconnPeople are going by bicycle in just about every town/city of the world...
22:52:05Vliger2002wow
22:52:08mirakin england, when you are trying to cross the street, cars stop as long as you are in a crossing path way.
22:52:23mirakyou don't have to engage on it, cars will stop
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22:52:46mirakin france cars stop when they have no other solution than not killing you
22:52:53dionoea:)
22:52:55markunmirak: no, I didn't look at video anymore. I first want to work on the gigabeat port.
22:53:23*petur commutes by bike every day, wearing a bright orange jacket and occasionally swearing at car drivers ;)
22:53:32mirakso each time you try to cross the street you really think that you could get rolled over
22:53:33miraklol
22:53:58mirakI think it's even worth in Italy and Spain
22:54:01peturFrench drivers are mad, that I can agreee on
22:54:02mirakworse
22:54:02amiconnYou need to be quick, and you need to be cautious at the same time
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22:54:07preglowhaha
22:54:21mirakyes
22:54:26preglowbicycling in oslo is also somewhat risky
22:54:31amiconnI don't deem that a major problem. There are both stupid car drivers, and stupid cyclists
22:54:39mirakor when you cross the street many people do it defiently
22:54:55miraksometime you take your time just to piss off the drier
22:54:57mirakdriver
22:54:59miraklol
22:55:03mirakthat's pathetic
22:55:36mirakamiconn: the problem is that here almost everybody have this beavior
22:56:23markunpetur: will it be difficult to make the usb framework so it's compatible with usbotg and a normal ohci controller?
22:56:32mirakin the driver manual, it's written that you must let walkers cross, at the first sign of engagement of them.
22:56:50amiconnmarkun: I don't think we'll even want complete otg compatibility
22:56:57amiconnAfaik not even the iriver fw does this
22:57:22amiconnAt least it doesn't react when connecting the otg port to the PC
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22:58:08amiconnThe ISP1362 can operate as a dedicated device controller, as a dedicated host controller, and as a full dual-role otg controller
22:58:33markunamiconn: congrats on the ISP1362 work btw. This morning you were still thinking it would take a long time.
22:58:35mirakthere is one thing I am not sure rockbox can do. It's to add a file in the queue, and then let rockbox play the file next to it in the folder
22:58:46mirakI don't know how to do that
22:58:56peturmarkun, amiconn: best to try to make a common layer on the endpoints level
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22:59:11mirakthat's in fact the default behavior of the iriver firmware, but the sometime I miss that
22:59:26mirak-the
22:59:28peturmaybe foresee two drivers (host/device) but I would fcus on host first
22:59:34amiconnpetur: You probably know way more about usb than me. I know a few details, but that's it
22:59:37peturfocus even
22:59:43amiconnI never dealt with a real usb stack before
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23:00:06peturI only had contact with the upper part of it lately
23:00:44amiconnI know the different types of USB transfers, and I know that MSD is actually SCSI encapsulated into USB packet
23:00:45amiconns
23:00:58amiconn...but that's about it
23:01:12peturbasically, you set up pipes over endpoints and transfer data over them in a certain protocols (MSD,...)
23:01:49petur4 types of endpoints: control, interrupt, bulk, isochonous
23:01:58amiconnyes
23:02:06amiconnThat I gathered from teh register definitions
23:02:11peturMSD uses bulk, HID uses interrupt I think
23:02:27amiconnYes, and audio uses isochronous
23:02:39peturisochronous is for streaming, much like UDP but is hard to implement
23:02:56peturas you get to do the low level stuff yourself
23:03:03amiconnThe ISP1362 has special support for isochronous transfers
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23:03:23peturyou need to provide buffers for all frames and stuff like that
23:03:27amiconnI can probably help a bit with the lowest level
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23:04:09peturFirst I want to study the philips code, as it already contains several device classes
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23:04:35peturstorage, hid, audio, printing,...
23:04:38*amiconn is eager to see the outcome of his runtime test
23:04:55FlutterbyThanks to y'all for making Rockbox so awesome. Just wanted to say that.
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23:06:54peturThe only thing I have problems with: we should get 3.0 stable, so I hesitate to start the usbotg stuff
23:07:00mirakdoes vorbis take more ressources than mp3 also on rockbox ?
23:07:07Genre9mp3amiconn: how do you b_bench? I chose 128Kbps MP3, -25dB, earphones on, rockbox_default wps & disk poweroff set to yes
23:07:09Amienanyone can tell me .. on the rockbox font list .. what font is the original video 5g font?
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23:07:34amiconn192kbps mp3, 0 dB volume and virtually no load
23:07:40BagderAmien: none
23:07:44Genre9mp3Oh...and I have the stock battery
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23:07:52amiconn(connected line out to the line in of my home stereo)
23:07:59Amienic :)
23:08:11Amienok .. anyone have the original font that works with rockbox?
23:09:52Paul_The_Nerdmirak: Vorbis takes more resources on most, but on iPod it takes less right now, I believe.
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23:12:54*Paul_The_Nerd wonders if we should set up a wiki page for "PortalPlayer Similarities" or something, to cover the MI4 / ROM file stuff, etc.
23:13:29mirakok
23:13:56BagderPaul_The_Nerd: a fair idea
23:14:16Paul_The_NerdBagder: Also, I just got my response back from PortalPlayer. Or more specifically, their spam filter.
23:14:24mirakrockbox shouldn't support wma
23:14:25Bagder:-/
23:14:29mirakI want wma to die
23:14:34markunmirak: why?
23:14:37Paul_The_NerdApparently my email was returned, unopened. Probably my gmail.com address, but I don't have an ISP one.
23:14:44mirakbecause it's evil
23:14:50BagderI got a "I will do my best to help get you what you need. I will be in touch soon."
23:14:59Paul_The_NerdHehehe
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23:15:19Bagder... from SanDisk
23:15:33Paul_The_NerdThey're wonderfully vague.
23:15:35peturanybody see anything wrong with using (parts) of the philips usbotg code? this is the readme of the kit: petur.homedns.org:8080/readme.txt">http://petur.homedns.org:8080/readme.txt
23:15:42BagderPaul_The_Nerd: yes
23:16:08FebsPaul_The_Nerd, I'm thinking of translating the entire CustomWPS page into "penfold" speak to give him a taste of his own medicine. Would that be mean?
23:16:27Paul_The_NerdFebs: That would be very mean. :)
23:16:28Paul_The_NerdHehehe
23:16:36mirakmarkun: I use linux most of the time, and any non open source format is a pain to use as you know
23:16:38Bagderpetur: a very brief "license" but it surely sounds like we can use it to me
23:17:34peturjust to know before I check out what we can use of the code ;)
23:18:15merbananmirak: do you have problems playing wma on linux ?
23:18:32*Paul_The_Nerd goes to find out his ISP email address
23:19:37mirakmerbanan: I have problems with wmv
23:20:06mirakthere is no wma encoder anyway
23:20:42mirakmerbanan: I wouldn't care that microsoft impose it
23:20:43merbananmirak: wmv will be playable after the summer
23:21:01mirakif it was free to use and open source, but it's not
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23:21:14mirakit's just about thinking to the future
23:21:34merbananmirak: and the unplayable version of wmv is a smtpe standard
23:21:39mirakmicocrosoft will release another version someday and we won't be able to use it I guess
23:22:50merbananwe'll see what happens in the future
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23:23:03mirakI guess the same that hapened in the past
23:23:23mirakmicrosoft is interested in DRM's, so there is no point in putting the format open source
23:23:29mirakanyway they never did that
23:24:00merbanando you mean the container or the codecs ?
23:24:05mirakthey want to control technology and content I guess
23:24:11mirakcodecs ?
23:24:15mirakam I wrong ?
23:24:43merbananor their DRM implementation ?
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23:26:01Paul_The_NerdBagder: Okay, sent again from a non-webmail account.
23:26:55merbananmirak: they have published documents for their container and the wmv3/vc-1 codec is open
23:27:30linuxstb_merbanan: Are you talking about their hi-def WMV format being playable after the summer?
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23:28:28flithmhey everyone... I know this isn't rockbox related, but how the @$(*& do I tell what generation my ipod mini is?
23:28:45linuxstb_Does it have the disk capacity on the back?
23:28:46merbananyes, it's one task in google summer of code for ffmpeg
23:29:10linuxstb_merbanan: Any fixed-point AAC progress?
23:29:26flithmlinuxstb, no... although I know how much it has :)
23:29:39merbanannot that I know of, the aac task has been real quite
23:29:40flithmlinuxstb, oh wait... yes it does :)
23:29:42linuxstb_flithm: In which case it will be a 1st gen.
23:29:53linuxstb_strike that. Capacity on back means 2nd gen.
23:30:05flithmlinuxstb, ahhh it's starting to make sense why rockbox ain't booting now :)
23:30:08flithmlinuxstb, thanks
23:30:53Paul_The_NerdYay for delivery receipts, my email message has supposedly been Read already. :)
23:31:43peturhehe
23:32:34Bagdermerbanan: me and linuxstb figured out some further mi4 details as you might've spotted
23:32:57merbananyes, I saw that
23:34:14merbananthe boot rom seems to be more interesting, it's not crypted
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23:34:58mirakmerbanan: my bad then
23:35:20mirakmerbanan: only the decoder is open ?
23:36:19merbananmirak: the vc-1 SMTPE spec is open in the sense that you can buy it and do whatever with the produced code from it
23:37:27merbananbut the drafts are still free
23:38:55merbanananyway they have lots of codecs that aren't open, all wma codecs
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23:54:27juxtapis it possible to set up like a dual boot system
23:54:38juxtapnormal ipod firmware + rockbox
23:54:54scorcheit comes default like that
23:54:55peturrockbox is dual boot
23:55:13scorchehold menu while booting and it will boot into apple os
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23:55:53juxtapoh, hehe,
23:56:28juxtapso do i just need to put apple_os.bin in root directory?
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