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#rockbox log for 2006-06-25

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00:43:03ghandiehey. any progress on rockbox for 3G iPods?
00:43:34earHertzdunno, check the docs
00:43:37Bagdernot a lot, no
00:43:40peturno dev with a 3G -> no progress
00:44:50ghandiei check the website every day in hope:(
00:45:14earHertzoh, yeah, until a develeoper has one, you'll se no progress
00:46:01ghandiei'll have to get one off ebay and donate it wont i
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00:46:22earHertzghandie: or get yourself a video ipod
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00:47:26ghandienah theyre too fancy for me, im oldskool:p
00:48:29earHertzthen yeah, get a 3g to a dev, or start deving yourself.
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01:08:13ido_hrm
01:08:34ido_my ipod gets hot when playing songs with rockbox
01:08:40ido_original firmware doesnt get this hot
01:09:20earHertzwe run teh cpu faster
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01:40:39ido_oh
01:40:55ido_is that the reason it also reboots itself from time to time when idling ?
01:41:02ido_(+charging)
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02:48:22toxicfumeare there any big/significant upcoming features in rockbox planned for the ipods?
02:48:56earHertztoxicfume: no. But I have some patyches you might want
02:49:07Mikachuthe pause on headphone unplug is immensely useful imo
02:49:11toxicfumeearHertz, what kind of patches?
02:49:23toxicfumeMikachu, that sounds like a good one
02:49:38earHertzlcd speedup, list scroll speedup, controversial scroll wheel acceleration
02:49:50Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899#comment8673
02:49:50toxicfumesome chinese company needs to make cheap FM recievers fot the ipods :P
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02:50:49toxicfumeearHertz, interesting, i wouldn't mind that
02:51:04earHertzyeah, well you can have it.
02:51:12earHertzjust download it
02:51:23toxicfumefrom?
02:51:33Mikachuthat url is the headphone thing then
02:51:38earHertzthe patch tracker. This means you have to compile your own build
02:51:48toxicfumeoh i dont have a compiler
02:51:58Mikachulook forward to it in the future then :)
02:52:05earHertzeh, wat ipod do you have?
02:52:28toxicfume5G, ipod video
02:52:38earHertz30 gb or 60?
02:52:43toxicfume30gb
02:52:55earHertzhow much are you willing to pay for a build?
02:53:06Mikachuhaha
02:53:10toxicfumelots of love
02:53:13earHertzew
02:53:24earHertzI don't do that cyber stuff
02:53:27toxicfume:(
02:53:43toxicfumeguess i'm outta luck then!
02:53:46earHertzYou understand about private builds, right?
02:53:55toxicfumei guess not
02:54:11earHertzyou can't complain about buigs in it, because it contains stuff not in teh offical dev build
02:54:23toxicfumeofcourse not
02:54:29toxicfumejust tell me how to apply the patch
02:54:42Mikachuthere are details in the wiki
02:54:47toxicfumeand i wont bother you again (hopefully)
02:54:48earHertzso if there's a bug, you just gotta remove teh unofficial build and use the official one. you can't complain to the devs, because gthey didn't make that build, see?
02:55:07earHertzto apply teh patch you nneed a compiler
02:55:18toxicfumeMikachu, i'm using hydrairc why?
02:55:25Mikachujust checking your os
02:55:34toxicfumeearHertz, oh save it then, can't be bothered now :p
02:55:43Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
02:55:53Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
02:56:52earHertztoxicfume: with my build, the scroll accel is going to drive you nuts at first
02:57:09toxicfumethanks Mikachu
02:57:18earHertztoxicfume: here'
02:57:19Mikachui think earHertz might be building you something
02:57:22earHertzs the build: http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/allmypatches/rockbox.zip
02:57:43earHertzyeah, I just uploadee it for to
02:57:50earHertztoxicfume:
02:57:52toxicfumeearHertz, ah got it, thansk a lot!
02:58:02earHertz;)
02:58:08Mikachui have too many patches to compile for anyone else :)
02:58:28earHertzyeah, that build's just MY patches
02:58:41toxicfumeearHertz, so this means I have to go through the process of writing the firmware onto my ipod again right?
02:58:48Mikachuno
02:58:52earHertztoxicfume: oh, hell no
02:58:59toxicfumeoh i can just append?
02:59:01Mikachuyou just unzip it, like when you normally update your build
02:59:04earHertzjust unzip the zip file to your ipod
02:59:18toxicfumeI've never updated before
02:59:21toxicfumeso.. :P
02:59:27Mikachuyou can never say that again
02:59:38earHertztoxicfume: make a save of your config, just in case
02:59:54toxicfumeearHertz, how to do that?
03:00
03:00:02Mikachumanage settings->write .cfg
03:00:03earHertzin the menju somewhere
03:00:10toxicfumeokay thansk
03:00:13earHertzI never do it
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03:02:53toxicfumeMikachu, I chose the write .cfg option, but which button do I press to actually save it under that filename?
03:03:29toxicfumethe center button does nothing :s
03:03:52Mikachuyou have to hold it down a while
03:04:13toxicfumeah got it, thanks!
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03:10:34toxicfumeokay my first update just done yay
03:11:42toxicfumeearHertz, what's exactly LCD Speedup? isit some setting i can customize?
03:12:08earHertzno, no
03:12:17earHertzit makes teh lcd updates 6% faster
03:12:34earHertzabout one frame per second faster
03:12:47earHertzThere's no cost to it, it's just improved code
03:13:10toxicfumeohh nice
03:13:25toxicfumehowever, the scrolling is really really hard to use now, you were right :P
03:15:17toxicfumehmm that must be customizable right?
03:15:31earHertzsorta
03:15:40toxicfumei see something in the system menu
03:15:43earHertzmeny|general|system|iposd scroll
03:15:50earHertzmove all three numbers up
03:20:49toxicfumecan it be disabled?
03:21:08Mikachudissed
03:21:16earHertznope
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03:21:35earHertzi'll add that in teh next patych
03:22:14earHertzit's annoying as hell?
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05:00:47hacimis this item in the faq still true, "No version of Rockbox has been officially released yet for the iriver line of players."?
05:01:26Mikachui think 3.0 would be the first, yes
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05:01:54hacimoh, I see, "official release"
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05:02:26hacimI heard that the ivriver h110 had the best rockbox support
05:04:04smably_hacim: h300 and h100 series are both working quite well
05:06:39hacimsmably_: is the difference between the h300 and h100 just size of the drive?
05:06:44earHertzany europeans here?
05:08:00smably_no, h100 and h300 series both come in 20 and 40 gb versions (h100's may also come in smaller capacities; not sure)
05:08:10smably_the main difference is that the h300's have a color display
05:08:33smably_h100's have more IO options
05:15:11hacimand apparantly the h300's can play video
05:16:04smably_they can, to a very limited extent, and only if you use the korean firmware
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05:21:07ashridahand reprocess your video to like 10fps
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05:27:17hacimhmm, seems like the video is not quite worth it then
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05:37:20webguest19hello, there
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05:37:40webguest19if i put rockbox on my iPod, will it erase everything or something?
05:38:02webguest19because i have this other software to jus upgrade the graphics on it, and that does it
05:38:05webguest19im just wondering
05:38:53webguest19i have an iPod video, 30GB
05:41:29ashridahwebguest19: i can't say for sure, since i don't know what the other software is doing, but the normal install doesn't erase any of your data, and the original ipod firmware can still be loaded when booting the device
05:42:08ashridahsince there's no flashing, i'm willing to bet that the other software still works, but havnig a backup of the data that's on your ipod isn't a *bad* idea in any case, rockbox is still in development on the ipods after all
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05:43:26hacimoh I am guessing that if you put the korean firmware on the H340 to be able to watch vids, you can't also use rockbox at the same time, is that right?
05:43:26webguest19alright, thank you!
05:43:51ashridahhacim: the two firmwares will be available in dual-boot form
05:44:14ashridahthe big problem with using the korean firmware is that if you've got the US version, you'll lose DRM support in iriver's firmware permanently
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05:44:50ashridahwtf
05:45:33ashridahso you'll have iriver's firmware, which can play video, and rockbox's, which doesn't suck at playing music or booting quickly :)
05:45:33hacimDRM is dumb anyways
05:45:38ashridahcorrect
05:46:04hacim:)
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07:04:30earHertzwebguest92: type "type apple_os.bin" if it works you'll get a screen full of trash, but that's ok
07:04:55webguest92it cant find the file
07:04:58webguest92>_<!
07:05:05earHertzuhhuh!
07:05:19earHertzwhat happens when you type "dir"
07:05:40webguest92it shows all the filesi n the directory
07:05:46webguest92inscluding apple_os.bin -_-
07:05:59earHertzyou're sure it's not mispelled?
07:06:21webguest92oh damnit now i feel stupid again >_<
07:06:28webguest92it was under aple with one p
07:06:44earHertzaha
07:06:47webguest92should i rename it, or just keep going?
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07:06:58earHertzrename it to apple_os.bin
07:07:02webguest92okay
07:07:05webguest92thank you again!
07:07:07yurikswoo, freenode is back up =)
07:07:09earHertz:)
07:07:40earHertzwebguest92: np
07:07:51webguest92okay to rename it i thin i have to close command prompt, is that okay?
07:08:19earHertzjust type "ren aple_os.bin apple_os.bin"
07:08:26earHertzyou don't have to close anything
07:08:32webguest92oh alright
07:08:40webguest92thanks for the billionth time x_x
07:08:46earHertzsure
07:09:20earHertzwebguest92: maybe youll return teh favor sometime
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07:23:28webguest92hey i got everything installed correctly, but i cant find my music!
07:25:02webguest92do i have to go back into itunes and disable disk use?
07:25:27PhobiacYou used itunes to put the music on?
07:26:02earHertzwebguest92: had you al;ready pur music on teh ipod?
07:26:21webguest92yeah
07:26:30earHertzok,
07:26:32webguest92i have to put them on normally now?
07:26:41earHertzpress menu
07:26:47webguest92kay
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07:27:14earHertzthen uh, the second item
07:27:26earHertzscroll to the 2nd item and press select
07:27:28webguest92sound setting?
07:27:38earHertzno,
07:27:52webguest92thats my 2nd item
07:28:00earHertzuh, right now I write code to replace all my second lines with the third line
07:28:10earHertzso I can't see it on my ipod
07:28:11scorche lol
07:28:12webguest92oh general settings?
07:28:18earHertzyeah, probably
07:28:23webguest92okay
07:28:28PhobiacWait, did you place the files in the root of the iPod or put them on with itunes?
07:28:35earHertzscorche: trll him how to set up tagcache, will you?
07:28:45webguest92itunes
07:28:57scorcheearHertz: just link him to the wiki =)
07:29:03PhobiacThen the files are placed in a (currently) hidden folder.
07:29:04scorcheim lazy
07:29:07earHertzwebguest92: you want to turnm on tagcache, then force it to read
07:29:29earHertzthen let it read for thirty minutes
07:29:40earHertzthen reboot
07:30:03earHertzthat'll give you an interfeace like the apple firmware
07:30:11webguest92so im in tag cache, i should have it onload to RAM?
07:30:16earHertzyeah
07:30:21webguest92alright
07:30:34webguest92then force to update, right?
07:30:35earHertzthen hit force tagacahe, the entry just below
07:30:37earHertzyeah
07:30:47earHertzthen wait thirty minutes
07:30:51webguest92okay
07:30:52webguest92thanks!
07:30:55earHertzsure
07:31:11scorchewebguest92: keep in mind that 30 min is an estimation =)
07:31:51PhobiacWon't he run into issues though? If he placed the songs on with itunes, the itunes database is the one being used and all his songs have random looking names.
07:32:15midkaywhy not just say till the disk stops accessing?
07:32:17scorchePhobiac: tagcache uses the id3 tags
07:32:25midkaycould only be a couple minutes if he has fewer than, say, a thousand songs.
07:32:26PhobiacOh, okay.
07:32:49webguest92i have 1,069 i think xD
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07:32:59midkaywebguest92, should only be around five minutes, i'd expect.
07:33:14midkayyou'll see a black disk icon in the upper right, if you've got the status bar on. next to the clock.
07:33:15scorchemidkay: cause it can be easier for some people to say "wait about 30 min, then check" rather than just that
07:33:20midkaywhen it goes off, that means it's done.
07:33:30midkayscorche, well, that's a hell of a waste of time, if it's done after 2 minutes.
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07:33:37webguest92do i have to restart?
07:33:40midkaywebguest92, then it's done. restart.
07:33:40midkayyeah.
07:33:42scorchemidkay: i wasnt the one that said 30 min ;)
07:33:48midkayscorche, you backed it up though.. :)
07:34:08scorchebut i said that it was his estimate
07:34:21scorchehooray for pointless internet fights! =D
07:34:36midkayhooray indeed! -> you said it was "an" estimate, not "his" or "an" estimate.
07:34:36midkay:)
07:34:42scorcheok fine
07:34:47yuriks=)
07:34:47scorches/an/his
07:34:57yuriksI'm looking into starting rockbox devlopment
07:35:02yurikswhere could I start?
07:35:15midkayand if you'll bother to say that it's his, you might bother pointing out that yours is that it could be done in a tenth of the time. :)
07:35:22midkayyuriks, the wiki.
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07:35:30midkayDocsIndex has a whole developers section.
07:35:40midkayguidelines/starting out stuff..
07:35:41dilingerso i just got a b&w 4th gen ipod..
07:35:51yuriksI arleady got it to compile
07:35:56dilingerand i'm attempting to follow the instructions to install a daily build
07:36:05yurikswhat would be a good "Hello world" to me to try?
07:36:14dilingerhowever, the linux instructions basically talk about the 4gs having only 2 partitions
07:36:15midkayyuriks, there's already a helloworld plugin..
07:36:18dilingerand the second partition being vfat
07:36:18*scorche puts some new duracell 2650 mAh batteries in his ajr
07:36:24dilingerthe device i have has 3 partitions
07:36:25midkayyuriks, if you know the coding language, you just need to learn your way around the code.
07:36:31dilingerand the third partition is hfs+
07:36:37dilinger(which i can't seem to write to in linux)
07:36:43midkaythere's a helloworld example for plugin development, docs in the wiki with plenty of info, etc.
07:36:58scorchedilinger: you can, you just dont have the packages installed it seems
07:36:58yuriksdilinger: you iP is a Mac iP
07:37:01webguest92is there a way to reboot it into regular ipod mode? [sorry i dont know the right lingo lol]
07:37:11yuriksdilinger: boot into windows and reset the ipod
07:37:12earHertzwebguest92: that's exacrly teh right lingo
07:37:22yurikswebguest92: hold Menu
07:37:24dilingerscorche: packages? i'm talking about literally mount /dev/sda3 /mnt -t hfsplus -o rw
07:37:31dilingerand i can't write to that
07:37:34earHertzwebguest92: reboot the ipod by pressing select_menu; then keep pressing menu
07:37:46midkayyuriks, what are you interested in working on?
07:37:47yuriksyeah, that
07:37:48webguest92okay thanks
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07:37:52dilingeryuriks: heh, i don't have access to a windows machine
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07:37:55earHertzteh bootloader will tell you it's loading teh retailos
07:38:02yuriksdilinger: well, thought luck =P
07:38:08yuriksYou will need to find one
07:38:16scorchewebguest92: it takes some time to master it though...more precisely, it is menu, release, hold menu again
07:38:23midkayearHertz, seriously, set up an auto-replace for your client.. to change 'teh' to 'the'. :)
07:38:24dilingeryuriks: there's *no way* to install rockbox onto my ipod via linux?
07:38:28yuriksor you can try formatting it using Linux, I'm not sure if it works tho
07:38:30earHertzscorche: no wonder i have such trouble with it
07:38:38yuriksdilinger: there is, but it needs to be a FAT iPod
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07:38:58earHertzdilinger: rockbox doesn't read hfs
07:38:58yuriksdilinger: Using it *once* in Windows makes it a FAT iPod
07:39:11scorchemidkay: i have that as an auto-replace, but i like saying "teh" when making fun of certain people...
07:39:15yuriksor try formatting the 2nd partition as fat
07:39:24Mikachuformatting the second partition will work fine
07:39:31Mikachujust make sure to use -F 32
07:39:35dilingeryuriks: so if i simply turn it into a fat32 partition in linux, the apple firmware will know how to handle it? (if the rockbox firmware doesn't work)
07:39:37midkayscorche, same, came with xchat by default.. but when the problem gets *this* bad (earHertz-bad).. something has to be done.
07:39:37midkay:)
07:39:45scorche=P
07:39:46yuriksdilinger: that, I don't know
07:39:46earHertzmidkay: does chatzila have autoreplace?
07:39:50dilingerok
07:39:56yuriksrockbox should work tho
07:40:04dilingerso i can leave sda3 as hfs+, and turn sda2 into vfat?
07:40:11yuriksdilinger: hmm, wait
07:40:15dilingerand install rockbox on sda2?
07:40:22midkayearHertz, dunno. i'm pretty sure that it has 'that client really sucks', though. :D
07:40:29Mikachuwhy do you have three partitions??
07:40:33earHertzdilinger: no, no, you want to access the same files in rockbox as in teh retailos
07:40:36dilingerMikachu: that's what i'm wondering
07:40:44earHertzmidkay: ;()
07:40:49yurikspaste the output of "fdisk /dev/sda -l"
07:40:55yuriksreplace sda with your iP device
07:41:12dilingerDisk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table
07:41:23dilingerhowever, here's what i see in dmesg
07:41:29dilinger[17203874.184000] sda: [mac] sda1 sda2 sda3
07:41:48yurikshmm, it got a mac part table
07:41:57yuriksdoes anyone know if fdisk can handle that?
07:42:01Mikachutry cfdisk
07:42:07Mikachuthe man page for fdisk says not to use it :)
07:42:10Mikachufdisk that is
07:42:13Mikachuit recommends cfdisk
07:42:18dilingerheh
07:42:31dilingercfdisk doesn't see a partition table either
07:42:36dilingerlemme see if parted can handle it
07:42:55dilingeryea, parted works
07:43:02yuriksdilinger: try sfdisk
07:43:21yuriksdilinger: ok, what's the part table?
07:44:18dilingerhttp://pastebin.ca/71068
07:44:49yuriksok
07:44:57yuriksformat the 3rd one
07:45:02yurikssda3
07:45:46yuriksI would still recommend getting your hands in a windoze machine to reset it tho
07:45:55yuriksyou don't have anything to lose tho ;)
07:46:00dilingermkdosfs -F32 /dev/sda3
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07:51:11yuriksuh
07:51:17yurikswhat just happened?
07:51:41yuriks???
07:52:13dilinger01:46 -lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We've got to restart one of our servers due to load issues; it's a pretty big, noticeable hit. If you're restarted, please reconnect to chat.freenode.net .... thanks
07:52:17dilingerhm
07:52:37dilingerok, so i wrote the firmware to /dev/sda2, reformated /dev/sda3 to vfat and unzipped a daily build onto it..
07:53:00dilingerupon reboot, it shows me the rockbox boot loader screen, but it appears to be hanging
07:53:11dilinger"No partition found"
07:53:17dilinger"Partition 1: 0x00 0 MB"
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07:53:22dilinger"Loading Rockbox..."
07:53:26dilingerand that's it
07:53:31yurikshmm
07:53:38yuriksyeah, go to your nearest windows box =P
07:53:45dilingerno, really
07:53:49dilingeri don't have a nearest windows box
07:53:54yuriks(yes, it will work with Macs afterwards)
07:54:07scorcheeveryone has a nearest windows box!
07:54:11yuriksdilinger: man, really, windows is everywhere, where are you?
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07:54:48yuriksdilinger: well, in that case, uh, ask someone for a disk dump
07:54:51dilingeryuriks: in free software land, where rockbox is *supposed* to be
07:55:03yuriksthen dd it, then recreate the partitions
07:55:12yuriksthat may as well fuck up your iPod, too
07:55:13dilingeri saved the partitions before doing this
07:55:20yuriksdilinger: your neighbor, anything
07:55:24yuriksheck
07:55:50yuriksonly thing you need to do is popin the Apple CD, install the iPod upgrade tools, run it, hit reset, wait a few secs and you're done
07:56:33yuriksdarn, there isn't a "Trivial" section in the bug tracker =P
07:57:39dilingeryuriks: heh, what do you think the chances are that i could do that in wine? :)
07:58:10scorchedilinger: only one way to find out =)
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07:58:22yuriksdilinger: hmmm, I dunno, I would bet slim, as with anything involving wine, but, give it a go
07:58:44yuriksI think wine doesn't gives programs raw disc I/O tho, which you need (thru USB even)
07:59:58Jungti1234hello
08:00
08:00:03Jungti1234I have question
08:00:16yuriksmain screen turn on
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08:00:39yuriksJungti1234: yes?
08:00:40earHertzyuriks: all your base are belong to us
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08:01:16yuriksJungti1234: move every "Word"!
08:01:21yuriksfor great justice!
08:01:22Jungti1234Why setting is reseted constantly?
08:01:45scorcheJungti1234: do you have the hold switch on?
08:02:17Jungti1234what's mean?
08:02:26scorcheJungti1234: what device do you have?
08:02:29Jungti1234H300
08:02:33yuriksdo you have that sliding switch on the top o.. nvm
08:02:43scorchedo you save the settings?
08:02:58Jungti1234no
08:03:09scorcheyuriks: most of the people that come in asking for questions like that have ipods so i assume ;)
08:03:16scorcheJungti1234: i would suggest doing that ;)
08:03:26scorchethere is a "manage settings" option in the menu
08:03:41Jungti1234nono, I know but
08:03:45yuriksscorche: Yeah, I guessed so to ;)
08:03:51Jungti1234I want that know reason.
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08:04:27Myk3hello all
08:04:38scorcheJungti1234: the reason is to make swtiching between various different settings easier (for testing things, it is great)
08:04:44Myk3i have just installed rockbox on my iaudio x5
08:04:58Jungti1234hmm
08:04:59Myk3but it looks very plain
08:05:15Myk3i saw a post on line and his x5 was very eye pleasing
08:05:28Myk3where can i read about doing this?
08:05:35yuriksget another wps
08:05:42yuriksor theme
08:05:50yuriksthey have plenty on the website
08:06:03Myk3so it is the theme?
08:06:06Myk3k
08:06:08Myk3thnx
08:07:00Jungti1234anyway, Thanks scorche yuriks
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08:07:35dilingerok
08:07:40dilingerso i restored the apple firmware
08:07:46dilingerit deals w/ the vfat partition just fine
08:07:49dilingerso i think that's ok
08:08:05dilingeri think the freezing that i'm seeing is the daily build
08:08:52scorchedilinger: you can always use "bleeding edge" builds as well
08:09:45dilingerunless the bootloader isn't properly loading the apple firmware
08:09:53yuriksdilinger: hmm, did another copmuter with windows just suddenly POP beside you?
08:10:02dilingeryuriks: no?
08:10:06yuriksO_o
08:10:14scorchewell, your problem doesnt sound like it is the build you dl
08:10:16dilingeryuriks: ..what are you talking about?
08:10:17Myk3how do i install patches?
08:10:18yuriksweird, you said you didn't have any windows computer nbearby
08:10:29dilingeryuriks: i still don't have any windows computers
08:10:34yuriksMyk3: you have to compile from source
08:10:41dilingeri restored the apple firmware by dd'ing it
08:10:44yuriksdilinger: ah.. ok
08:10:50dilingeri made backups of all the partitions before doing anything
08:10:51Myk3can i do that on winblows?
08:10:58dilingeranyways
08:11:01yurikswell, that doesn't solves the problem =)
08:11:08dilingerso /dev/sda3 is empty (but vfat)
08:11:09yuriksMyk3: yes, you have to dl quite some stuff tho
08:11:15dilingerwhen sda2 is the apple firmware, it seems to boot and work just fine
08:11:22yuriksdilinger: doesn't help us
08:11:26Myk3well for know im going back to normal
08:11:28dilingerwhen it's the rockbox firmware, it seems to hang
08:11:30Myk3thnx though
08:11:45yuriksrockbox expects it to be at sda1: blank and sda2: fat
08:11:45scorcheMyk3: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
08:11:46dilingeri used this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodInstallation/bootloader-4g.bin
08:12:05dilingerand followed the instructions from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
08:12:25dilingerhowever, perhaps i should be using sda1 instead of sda2?
08:12:37dilinger-rw-r−−r−− 1 dilinger dilinger 71K 2006-06-25 01:14 rockboot.bin
08:12:38yuriksscorche: I guess he means "getting patches and makin a firmware"
08:12:47dilingerthat's following the wiki instructions exactly
08:12:50yuriksdilinger: well, since you have backups
08:12:53dilinger-rw-r−−r−− 1 dilinger dilinger 3.5M 2006-06-25 01:15 rockboot2.bin
08:12:57yurikstry nuking sda2 and sda3
08:13:02dilingerthat's using sda2 in place of sda1
08:13:06yurikscreating a vfat partition there
08:13:11yuriksand formatting it as fat
08:13:31yuriksalso see if you hadn't forgoten to change the part. type in the part. table ;)
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08:14:29yurikshaha, the all your base guy had funny grammar for sure
08:14:42dilingerparted sees sda3 as a fat32 partition
08:14:51yurikshmmm, well, nuje
08:14:53yuriksnuke*
08:14:55dilingerno idea if that's using the actual partition type or not
08:15:03scorcheyuriks: not everyone in here is fluent in english
08:15:14yurikswe want it to be just like a Win iPod
08:15:23yuriksscorche: yeah I know, I wasn't some years ago too
08:15:30yuriksbut I don't think I ever wrote that way >_>
08:16:01scorcheyuriks: maybe he uses babelfish
08:16:05scorchelol
08:16:08yurikshaha
08:16:55dilingeryuriks: er... wait, remove sda2 and sda3? does sda1 actually contain anything that will boot?
08:17:02yuriksdilinger: you COULD dd the firmware off (the first empty part), use cfdisk -z /dev/sda, creating...
08:17:04dilingerit's only 32kb
08:17:05yuriksdilinger: on mine it does
08:17:09yuriksoh, no then
08:17:13yurikshmm
08:17:18yurikstry merging the two
08:17:21dilingerparted claims it contains a partition map
08:17:27yurikshmmm
08:17:35yuriksMac stuff proably
08:17:39yuriksyeah
08:17:41*dilinger points to http://pastebin.ca/71068 again
08:17:41yuriksI got an ideia
08:17:57yuriksdd the sda2 off
08:18:30yuriksthen use cfdisk -z /dev/sda (it will start from scratch)
08:18:52yuriksmake sda1 a blank "partition" of the size of your dd image
08:19:05yuriksthen fill the rest of the disk with an empty fat partition
08:19:26yurikshmm, I wonder, can't we just nuke the original firmware alltogether?
08:19:34dilingerheh
08:19:37dilingerwell, in theory, sure
08:19:58yurikswell, you got Disk Mode and a dd image, go for it
08:20:02yuriksogogog
08:20:04*dilinger double checks that sda1 actually comes 512 bytes into sda, since that's how much of the mbr i backed up
08:20:13yuriksMBR?
08:20:19yuriksdd the WHOLE disk =P
08:20:39yurikswell... 20gb...
08:20:45dilingeryea, cool
08:20:48yuriksdd some 200mb
08:20:53dilingerpartition map fits into 512 meg
08:21:12yuriksdd a good sized chunk from the start
08:21:19dilingerthen comes sda1, which hexdump shows as having "PM", "partition map", "Apple_partition_map"
08:21:44yuriksbackup that, then nuke everything and make a single fat partition
08:21:50yuriksthen try that =]
08:22:18dilingererm
08:22:48dilingerso if i have a single fat partition, where does rockboot.bin go?
08:23:34yuriksdd if=/dev/sda bs=1k conv=notrunc | bzip2 −−best > backup.bz2
08:23:36yuriksargh
08:23:39yuriksyou have a point
08:23:46dilingeri'll make two partitions
08:23:51yurikshmm
08:23:56yuriksuh
08:24:00yurikstry this:
08:24:06yuriksdd sda2 off the disk
08:24:10yuriksnuke em all
08:24:24yuriksdd sda2 to a correctly sized partition (as sda1)
08:24:33yurikscreate sda2 as a fat part
08:24:36yuriks???
08:24:41yuriksPROFIT! (maybe =P)
08:24:43dilingerso drop sda1 completely, you're saying?
08:24:51dilingerand just move the other two partitions forward?
08:24:55yuriksdilinger: yeah, it is just Mac partition table stuff
08:25:25yuriksdilinger: use cfdisk -z /dev/sda, that will nuke the MBR, which is something we need to do (to make is PC-format)
08:25:37yuriksit*
08:25:59yuriksthen you create a sda1, dd the image into it, and create sda2 where you will put your data
08:26:09yuriksnot sure if the firmware is compatible tho =]
08:26:45yuriks Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
08:26:46yuriks/dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty
08:26:46yuriks/dev/sda2 6 497 3951990 b W95 FAT32
08:26:53yurikswhere's what I got on my mini 2g
08:27:02yuriksPhotos have bigger stuff tho
08:27:05yurikshmm
08:27:14yuriksI'll see what I get in iPL
08:28:38yuriksdilinger: I still wonder WHERE on Earth you are with no windows boxes near by
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08:32:28dilingerhehe, neat
08:32:32yuriksscorche: hmm, do you have any ideia if it's possible to implement that "remove headphone, music pauses" thingie that the official firmware has? (an iPodLinux too)
08:32:43dilingerwhen i use the apple firmware, it shows me a picture of a broken folder
08:32:49dilingerand tells me to contact apple support :)
08:33:33yurikshaha, borked ;)
08:33:38yuriksrestore your backup then
08:33:44yuriksdilinger: and on rockbox?
08:33:53dilingerditto
08:33:56yuriks(don't restore your backup yet)
08:33:58yuriksmeh
08:34:03dilingeri'm betting it's not happy w/ the partition table types
08:34:09dilingeror maybe it requires a bootable partition?
08:34:56dilingeri set the disk label to msdos, and the partition types to 83 (linux). i'll try setting those to dos and see what happens
08:35:11yuriksdilinger: wait, did you do the cfdisk thingie?
08:35:31dilingeryea
08:35:32yuriksdilinger: the firmware needs to be "None" (aka, No partition)
08:35:36yuriksand the second one FAT
08:35:37scorcheyuriks: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4899
08:35:44yuriksbut I guess it won't work anyway -_-
08:36:33yuriksI think dilinger what kind of iPod is this?
08:36:34yuriks4g?
08:39:04yuriksdilinger: ???
08:39:24yuriksheh, that "I think" was part from another message ;S
08:39:39dilingeri can't seem to set the type to "none" for the first partition
08:39:49dilingeri set the second one to fat32 LBA
08:39:52dilingerit's a 4g
08:39:55dilingergreyscale
08:40:05yurikshmm..
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08:40:31yuriksdilinger: oh right, just "Delete" the partition
08:41:01dilingerwhich?
08:41:23yuriksthe one that is meant to be set to None
08:43:17scorcheyuriks: so yes =P
08:43:45dilingeryuriks: that doesn't help
08:43:48dilingerany other suggestions?
08:43:54yurikshmm
08:45:30yurikswell, iPL guys ran ou of suggestion
08:45:39yuriksthey say that you should get windows =]
08:46:34dilingerheh
08:46:39dilingeri don't see how that's going to help :P
08:46:51dilingerunless it's just rockbox not knowing how to handle 3 partitions instead of two
08:47:14yuriksdilinger: using the apple tool automagically makes it work =P
08:47:15yuriksok
08:47:17yurikstry this:
08:47:21scorchedilinger: you could always wait until someone more experienced with the ipod comes around
08:47:32yurikscfdisk -z /dev/sda
08:47:46yuriksthen create a partition that goes from 0mb to 63mb at the start
08:47:51yuriksthen fill in with a fat part.
08:48:18yuriksthen dd the backup, delete sda1, format sda2, and try, again
08:49:40dilingerwell, it's almost 3am here
08:49:51yuriksjust try that
08:49:59dilingeri think i'm just going to give up for tonight and try again tomorrow
08:50:00yuriks(hmm, it's 4am here ;)
08:50:20yuriksphool! mever gyve up!
08:50:46scorchedilinger: try and talk to paul_the_nerd
08:51:04scorchehe usually answers questions regarding ipods
08:51:38scorchei dont have one myself, so my knowledge of them is mostly just rockbox crap and not info about partitions and all
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08:58:04earHertzoh noes
08:58:42yuriks?
08:58:54earHertzfreenode's going down
08:59:35yuriks crap
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09:01:10yuriksdoes it have a rockbox channel?
09:02:34dilingeri have no idea
09:03:34yuriksthen
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09:55:08midkaygoing down as in temporarily..
09:55:10midkay:)
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10:04:58earHertzmidkay: pervert
10:05:48midkaywhat the hell? it took me like 10 seconds to figure out what you were even very remotely referring to.. if you can come up with something like that mentally on your own, you really are a perv.
10:05:49midkay:)
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10:06:12earHertzyou're one of god's innocents
10:07:14midkayhaha.
10:07:28midkayin your dreams!
10:07:45midkayhaha.
10:08:07midkaySearch results for: "Pi". Did you mean: "720p"?
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10:20:55RedBrevaWhat the crap is this suppsed to achieve? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RobbyWilliamsIsSpam
10:22:34scorcheugh...
10:22:57scorcheholy hell...look at all of his attachments
10:24:49RedBrevaI like the comment "You have spammers on your twiki abusing your webspace." (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BeatDoebeli)
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10:32:41RedBrevaOne of the Themes on the Wiki states that "It needs the 'revised replay gain tags' patch.", It's quite a long standing theme and the patch link points back to sourceforge, anyone know if this patch been (or ever will be) included in CVS (yet)?
10:34:39RedBrevaAh OK, found it on FS (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2740), seem that it hasn't ...
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10:36:50earHertzanyone witg a video ipod wnat to test something?
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10:45:51stripwaxsure
10:46:01stripwaxlcd driver? ;-)
10:50:32stripwaxearHertz - do you happen to know how to interpret the output of the test_fps plugin, by the way?
10:50:33earHertzstripwax: 30gb OR ^0GB?
10:50:39stripwax60
10:51:02earHertzstripwax: YEAH, IT'S JUST FRAMES PER SECOND, FOR THE WHIOLE LCD (1/1) AND ONE QURTER OF IT (1/4)
10:51:09stripwaxah!
10:51:59stripwaxi thought it was amount of cpu boost .. pretty weird that 1/4 is not roughly 4x whole screen!
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10:53:05earHertzovrerhead costs
10:53:11stripwaxguess so
10:53:27earHertzstripwax: http://diffenbach.org/rockbox/listopt2-noscroll/rockbox.zip
10:53:47stripwaxta
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10:55:27stripwaxearHertz - is it just the rockbox.ipod I need, or is anything significant in the .rockbox folder too?
10:56:41earHertzstripwax: the codecs will change address, so unzip it
10:57:12stripwaxokie
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11:00:32stripwaxer, well there's at least one bug.. browse to a list, and scroll 'backwards' to get to the end of the list - lcd gets covered in junk ..
11:00:55stripwaxno noticeable improvement in fps over jbuild
11:01:30stripwaxhrm, and scrolling from end of list back to start crashes ipod ...
11:03:11stripwax(scrolling 'forwards' from last item, that is)
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11:14:44stripwaxearHertz -hmm, I had to put jbuild back on to check - jbuild wad 45.5 fps at 1/4 before (same as your build), now it's saying 41fps; so not sure how accurate this actually is...
11:15:03stripwax^wad^was
11:15:08earHertzwtf's jbuild?
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11:15:25stripwaxearHertz http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/
11:15:44earHertzyreah, but what's he doing>?
11:15:58earHertzOH!
11:16:09earHertzmy build isn't using my patch; his build is using my patch
11:16:17stripwaxit's just mostly the latest patches - no lcd driver changes compared to cvs
11:16:20stripwaxeh ???
11:16:53earHertzhuis build uses my duff's device patcjh. The build I just gavce you does not, because I "cleaned" it to diff some new patches
11:17:47stripwaxoh yeah, so it does! heh. well, your cleaned patch seems to have some issues as above..
11:18:51earHertzscrolling of the end crashes it?
11:19:47huerlimawriting plugin: anybody has a clue why i am not able to read a file? i can write it. then i open it with fd = rb->open(file_name, O_RDONLY); read it with rb->read(fd, buf, count); ... but then the simulation crashes and gives back... Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
11:20:28stripwaxearHertz - yep. i'll retest in a moment
11:21:00earHertzstripwax: but does it see faster when you scroll it?
11:21:17earHertzhuerlima: no clue
11:22:16earHertzstripwax: I can't get it to crasjh that way
11:28:51stripwaxearHertz - hm, nor can i now. but you see the lcd junk, right? (browse plugins -> scroll backwards)
11:29:30stripwaxearHertz - nope, got it to crash again. i recommend you try it in the browse plugins list
11:29:37earHertzI just did
11:29:47stripwaxbtw what does "0 0" at the top of screen mean?
11:30:12earHertzscrol accell, but the accel is disabled
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11:31:27stripwaxearHertz - if it makes any difference i was playing music at the same time, using boxes wps. it's definitely 100% reproducible here ...
11:31:43earHertzok, thanks. I beleieve you ;)
11:32:26earHertzonly at the top and bottom of teh lists?
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11:32:49stripwaxcrash from bottom->top ; lcd junk from top->bottom
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11:33:10earHertzwait a sec
11:33:23earHertzI wonder If I inadvertantly gave you an older buiold
11:33:31stripwaxahem
11:33:49earHertzopps
11:33:51earHertzsorry
11:33:59crashdheh
11:36:16earHertzstripwax: never mind trying another build. did teh scrolling seem faster?
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11:37:55stripwaxyou mean the scrollwheel selection bar moving faster thru the list? not really - or at least not consistently. sometimes it seemed very fast even tho i was moving my finger slowly - other times it was moving v. slowly even tho i was moving my finger very fast!
11:38:13earHertzhmm
11:38:30earHertzc'est la vie
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12:30:06infamiswhat causes a codec failure?
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12:30:36earHertza codec that wweasn't compiled with a build
12:30:52earHertzthe codec addresses are static
12:30:53apo`Morning
12:31:11earHertzinfamis: unzip the whole zip, not just the formware
12:31:16earHertzapo`: morning
12:31:31bluebrotherdoes anybody understand that report? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5595
12:31:39infamisok...but what about when a file is playing...then halfway through you get a codec failure?
12:31:58stripwaxinfamis - perhaps, a bug. what file type?
12:32:05earHertzbluebrother: it reboot ion him>?
12:32:16infamism4a (aac)
12:32:26earHertzinfamis: that's probably a bug. are you a developer?
12:32:35bluebrotherI just read that task, I have no idea what he means.
12:32:50infamisnot really, but I can program
12:32:57stripwaxearHertz - i've seen that too, on aac on ipod
12:33:07earHertzinfamis: wrong question. do you make your own builfds?
12:33:12infamisyup
12:33:35earHertzinfamis: see if you can get the erro using the latest cvs build
12:33:36infamisso basically I'm trying to do some debugging but wanted to ask what causes them first
12:33:44apo`[12:31:31] <bluebrother> does anybody understand that report? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5595 < His iPod reboots when he plugs it into the USB plug of his PC?
12:33:45earHertzif you can, then add it to the bugtracker
12:33:59*earHertz nods at apo. I think so too
12:34:36infamisyea realized my last compile was 6/8...should probably do a cvs update (just haven't seen any relevant iAudio/x5 committs ;))
12:34:44bluebrotherhmm. Do you consider this a bug?
12:34:52earHertzbluebrother: nope
12:35:08bluebrotherthen I really don't understand that report.
12:35:16earHertzyes, close it
12:36:53infamisalso, let me ask if for you guys, when you get a codec failure, when trying to play something else (of a known good/working codec, say mp3), it just doesn't play and a shutdown is the only fix?
12:37:23infamisor do other files of different codecs play fine (after the codec failure)?
12:37:43earHertzinfamis: I've only gooten it when I had a codec that wasn't compiled with teh executable
12:37:59infamisnext file plays fine in that case?
12:38:03stripwaxinfamis - sometimes yes, sometimes no.. if you change track and leave it for a bit it should be fine
12:38:09earHertzno, no, nothing plays
12:38:15infamisah ok, I'm just impatient lol
12:38:31infamisok
12:38:50dionoeawhat the target with the smallest color screen ?
12:38:53dionoea+is
12:39:04dionoeaipod nano ?
12:39:14earHertzdionoea: no idea
12:39:26linuxstb__iaudio X5 I think.
12:40:02linuxstb__Check the DeviceChart wiki page, or the #defines in firmware/export/config-*.h
12:40:24dionoeai'll check the wiki :) thanks
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12:42:04*freqmod has reimplemented seeking in speex (fixed integer overflow bug), seeking now works (on iPod) (,but slowly, it takes 5 secounds before the seek funcion is called)
12:42:22earHertz5 secs??
12:42:29dionoealooks like iaudio wins !
12:42:34earHertzwhat's speex anyway?
12:42:45stripwaxxiph codec for speech
12:42:46freqmodan (ogg) speech codec
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12:45:43earHertzstripwax: do you have page scrolling set?
12:46:02earHertzogg is what star trek nerds use, right?
12:46:20stripwaxearHertz - dunno, what is page scrolling?
12:46:30*stripwax is no star trek nerd
12:46:56stripwaxearHertz - i used whatever the defaults for your build were
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12:47:40earHertzhujh, I got a freeze when i set paghed scrolling
12:48:21earHertzpage scrolling is when the cursor hits teh bottom of the page, the cursor goes back to the top
12:48:21stripwaxearHertz - is that the default? i didn't change any settings when I tested your build ..
12:48:30stripwaxearHertz - nope, I don't have that
12:48:35earHertzno, it's not defualt
12:48:45stripwaxearHertz - i tested using only defaults..
12:49:15earHertzstripwax: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-06/0148.shtml
12:54:04stripwaxearHertz - hm, if it doesn't work with backgrounds maybe that's why i was getting screen junk..
12:54:16earHertzyeah
12:54:38earHertzsorry, I should have explained that
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12:56:43stripwaxi'm not convinced that keeping foreground and background in separate buffers would give much speedup, unless there's something seriously wrong with our text blit routines
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12:57:44earHertzprobably
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12:59:45reverendnathanHey! Question about building in Linux and dmseg
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13:00:12reverendnathanWhen I use dmesg, it give me a lot of information, but not information that is included in the wiki?
13:00:18stripwaxhuh?
13:00:22earHertzhuh?
13:00:33reverendnathanNevermind
13:00:34stripwaxat what point do you need to use dmesg to build??
13:00:35earHertzdmesg gives hyou system messages
13:00:35reverendnathanCrap
13:00:42reverendnathanSorry, read the wiki wrong :-o
13:00:46stripwax:-D
13:01:03reverendnathanIt's uh... little skimp on what you use directly in the terminal
13:01:17reverendnathanThat's cool, though; looks way easier than that dreaded windows tut
13:02:03earHertzstripwax: can I load firmware from the diretory browser on teh ipod?
13:02:27stripwaxearHertz - should be able to ,although I've personally not tried that on ipod yet (only had one three days..)
13:02:35earHertzoh!
13:02:42earHertzyou come up to speed quick
13:03:16stripwaxwell, my h120 was a bit long in the tooth so I was comfortable putting rockbox on the ipod immediately i got it :-)
13:03:44earHertzah
13:05:42reverendnathanBy the way, the tutorial is confusing... does this KEEP the apple firmware AND rockbox?
13:05:53earHertzreverendnathan: yah
13:06:00reverendnathanAwesome!
13:06:01jmspeexfreqmod: what's the problem with seeking?
13:06:28reverendnathanSo if I hand the iPod to my friend, and finds the interface bewildering, I can reset it and he can use the Apple firmware?
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13:06:42freqmodi don't know it takes forever before the seek funcion is called (after seeks are requested)
13:06:59earHertzreverendnathan: if you reboot, (slect _+ menu) then let up on menu, then hold menu, you get the apple firmware
13:07:14linuxstbearHertz: No, "rolo" doesn't work on the ipods.
13:07:20stripwaxlinuxstb - ah
13:07:26linuxstbreverendnathan: Which tutorial?
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13:07:28earHertzlinuxstb: because of teh sw codecs?
13:07:28reverendnathanI'm stoked. I was all skeptical about ridding of the Apple interface and all of that
13:07:38reverendnathanlinuxstb: The one on Rockbox's wiki
13:08:11linuxstbURL? There are various installation pages...
13:08:34reverendnathanhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
13:08:52reverendnathanIt's very right-to-the-point; doesn't explain much to as what you are doing exactly
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13:09:01linuxstbearHertz: No, it's nothing to do with sw codecs. It's simply that no-one has implemented it.
13:09:42earHertzswcodecs who uld be a problem.
13:11:24freqmodI don't think it is a problem with speex, if it is, then it is because the interface only checks for seeks on data reads, and I was/am using a 50kb (input) data buffer.
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13:13:50reverendnathanOK, nother question Linuxers.
13:13:54reverendnathanStep 3 in this wiki
13:14:07reverendnathanHow would I set that up with the extra step?
13:14:18reverendnathanCombine the bootloader and the Apple firmware into a new boot partition image: ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin Replace -g nano with the model of your ipod - type ipod_fw without any arguments for usage instructions. NOTE: iPod Video users need a copy of the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file that you extracted in step 2 in the current directory when running ipod_fw
13:14:28reverendnathanWhat should I write in my Terminal?
13:15:17linuxstb"ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin" - amending as appropriate for your ipod.
13:15:48earHertzwe use the broadcomm firmware for what/
13:16:06stripwaxnothing
13:16:26earHertzso why does bootlaosder want it? for the retailos?
13:16:59jmspeexpreglow: Had a look at the ARM assembly in Speex yet? (I can point you to the routines that would need optimizing)
13:17:16linuxstbearHertz: Yes, retailos needs it. The Apple bootloader in flash might even refuse to recognise the firmware partition if there's no broadcom image there - I haven't tested.
13:17:39earHertzwhat's teh broadcomm chip do?
13:18:24linuxstbSits there, wasting space. But all LCD communication needs to go through it.
13:18:26stripwaxvideo
13:18:57earHertzit decodes video?
13:22:48stripwaxit could do
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13:23:52linuxstbearHertz: Yes, that's what Apple use it for.
13:24:30earHertzwhy can't we use it for that too
13:24:55reverendnathanOK
13:24:55stripwaxearHertz - are you volunteering to code the driver for it ? ;-)
13:25:03earHertzstripwax: no
13:25:07stripwaxahh..
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13:26:20stripwaxalso rockbox has no concept of video codecs, only audio codecs. now, maybe, just maybe, a video-player plugin might not be too impossible to write. but without specs for the broadcom chip, it's sorta tricky
13:27:03earHertzstripwax: a codecs a codec: a stream comes in, a stream comes out
13:27:20earHertzbroadcomm spececs aren't freely available?
13:27:40stripwaxearHertz - right but there's no pipeline in rockbox from stream->lcd ... we have audio buffers implemented but not video buffers..
13:28:12earHertzyeah
13:28:29earHertzI just hate to have hardware go to waste
13:29:17stripwaxi imagine that one day there will be a way for rockbox to utilise that broadcom device - but today is not that day yet
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13:31:54preglowjmspeex: nah, no time
13:32:07preglowjmspeex: but a pointer would be appreciated
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13:36:00jmspeexpreglow: Basically, the most important would be filter_mem16, iir_mem16 and fir_mem16. Their 32-bit version (*_mem2) are in assembly, but I'm now using mainly the 16-bit version.
13:37:13freqmodbtw. to make speex patch up2date: freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speex.v002.1.c">http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/speex.v002.1.c
13:37:14jmspeexOther than that, compute_weighted_codebook() is now disabled because I broke it a while ago
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13:37:33reverendnathanI don't think my bootloader transfered (linux)
13:37:42reverendnathan[nathan@backroom Desktop]$ sudo dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdb1
13:37:43reverendnathan0+0 records in
13:37:43reverendnathan0+0 records out
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13:37:43reverendnathan0 bytes (0 B) copied, 3.8e-05 seconds, 0.0 kB/s
13:37:43reverendnathan[nathan@backroom Desktop]$
13:38:08reverendnathanI don't know?
13:40:06jmspeexfreqmod: did you copy the granulepos handling code from speexdec?
13:40:31jmspeexIf so, check it carefully, I recently fixed a segfault and I consider it poor quality anyway.
13:40:37freqmodi did in the start, but then i removed it
13:40:46freqmodwhat difference does it make?
13:41:35freqmodthe codecloop just decodes, and does not care about granule, time etc. (when not seeking)
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13:48:49jmspeexfreqmod: There are two things that use granulepos: seeking and gapless
13:49:46freqmodok, i have to work at file transitions they don't work at all ATM, i'll do that now, since I have finished the seeking code
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13:51:18freqmodbut I am packing for vacation so I may not have time to work at it today, maybe tomorrow, or tuesday (i leave for Germany at Wednesday, and will be away until 11.07 (DD/MM))
13:58:22preglowpost a patch before you leave :>
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14:00:51*Paul_The_Nerd looks in the logs and sees the word "speex" recently.
14:01:10*jmspeex sees it often
14:01:41*petur considers rolling on the floor, laughing
14:01:51Paul_The_NerdHeh
14:02:20Paul_The_NerdBy the way, if I suddenly go missing for a week, it's because my new neighbours have noticed I'm borrowing a very tiny amount of their wireless bandwidth. I'll have internet of my own again in a week and a day.
14:02:38Rickwhy don't you just ask for permission?
14:02:58Paul_The_NerdI would
14:03:01Rickif you can "borrow" it, they're probably not people who use their connection much :P
14:03:05Paul_The_NerdBut I can't identify which apartment they're in.
14:03:11Ricklol
14:03:11apo`Heh
14:03:19apo`Just put a .txt in their shared files?
14:03:24peturah, so they locked you out?
14:03:32Paul_The_NerdI thought of that. Nothing shared
14:03:37apo`:/
14:03:43Rickhow big is your apartments?
14:03:47Paul_The_NerdI was locked out sometime last night, but returned when I woke up this morning.
14:04:06Ricklocked out? from what?
14:04:11Paul_The_NerdThe network.
14:04:14Rickah
14:04:15Paul_The_NerdIt wasn't assigning me an IP
14:04:22Paul_The_NerdNow it is.
14:05:04Paul_The_NerdI can't really move around to test signal strength, or I'd work a bit harder to identify where they are.
14:05:29Paul_The_NerdBut since the network is named "Linksys" and it's unprotected, I suspect that they're not monitoring it too closely
14:05:46stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd it might have MAC address filtering enabled..
14:06:39Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: If it did, they disabled it later, and it was set to restrict all but their mac addresses. It's strange to go from "Completely unprotected for a week" to "A whitelist of mac addresses" but it's possible.
14:07:27Paul_The_NerdEither way, if they do decide to kick me off again, I'll have limited access (apartment complex has an office center) that I'll use to make sure the forums haven't gone insane, but other than that I won't be around much.
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14:15:58Genre9mp3This wiki spam became really annoying...
14:16:27Genre9mp3Bagder around maybe?
14:18:18apo`badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger
14:18:23apo`... Sorry, reflex.
14:20:16Genre9mp3Also some folders should be removed eg.: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/ChRw/
14:20:22Genre9mp3http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DeRw/
14:20:34Genre9mp3http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/KenWood/
14:20:38Genre9mp3and others..
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14:53:25freqmodWhen I have changed track and then seek (the 2nd time i get a segmentation fault in speex_decode_int) http://pastebin.ca/71205
14:54:44freqmodand not just when seeking, but sometimes during playback
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16:27:14kridianrockbox > *
16:27:15kridian:)
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16:38:20daurnimatoreven better than itself
16:38:21daurnimator:P
16:38:37Lynx_it's cool someone is looking into the scrolling speed, i find this the most annoying 'bug' in rockbox atm
16:38:37kridianheh
16:39:42kridiani'm looking at how difficult it would be to implement an 'enqueue' feature
16:40:08Lynx_kridian: what would that do?
16:40:38kridianthe ability to specify which song it should play next without things like playlists
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16:42:07Mikachuwhy not just use the queue feature?
16:42:23kridianhmm
16:42:30*kridian gets ipod
16:43:25dionoea:)
16:43:46stripwaxkridian - yeah, it's already there..
16:43:58kridianoops
16:44:08kridiancool
16:45:05kridianmy bad
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16:48:46daurnimatoryes - YOUR BAD
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16:51:52stripwax;-)
16:52:28crwlIMHO having a special "enqueue" feature in the playlist browser wouldn't hurt
16:52:42crwlit would change the playlist position after current track, and not add anything into it
16:54:24kridianmhm
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16:55:18stripwaxisn't that what "Queue Next" already does?
16:56:07crwlum, in the playlist browser?
16:56:42crwlno, not at all
16:56:53crwlit just adds the song to the playlist next to the currently playing track
16:57:07crwli'm looking for an enqueue feature like in Winamp or XMMS or Amarok
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16:57:40daurnimatorew, amarok :S
16:57:55crwlwhere you can effectively choose to, say, jump to the second song in the playlist (after the current song has finished playing) and then _continue from there._
16:58:05stripwaxah, ok
16:58:29kridiancrwl: yip, such a feature..
16:58:40daurnimatori don't get how its different
16:58:40stripwaxthat sounds like it would be v. useful
16:58:40daurnimator:S
16:59:39stripwaxdaurnimator - if you're currently listening to track #1 in your playlist but you want to skip forward to track #5, you can only do that by interrupting the current song. What crwl suggests would wait until the current song has finished and then skip forward to track #5, and continue from there (with track #6, track #7, etc)
16:59:45kridianhowever, the 'queue' function seems to do the job
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17:00:31daurnimatordo you mean 1,5,2,3,4,6,7? - or 1,5,6,7 (not ever playing 2,3,4)?
17:00:44stripwaxthe latter]
17:00:55daurnimator..
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17:01:06daurnimatorcan't you just press "next" 5 times?
17:01:16PaulJamstripwax: can't you achieve this with the current playlist system by moving the currently playing song in front of #5 ?
17:01:17daurnimatorsorry, 4
17:01:23crwlwell, that would kind of defeat the whole purpose of having playlists then
17:01:34crwlif you always had to be pressing buttons after tracks
17:01:41kridianheh
17:03:11crwlhaving such a "jump there after current song" feature would reduce the amount of needed keypresses in many use cases (at least for me) and would therefore be very useful in a portable device
17:03:58crwlthe same outcome is probably kind of achievable by just editing the playlist as needed but wouldn't be as simple
17:04:01daurnimatori don't like the idea
17:04:05daurnimatorinfact - i hate it
17:04:33crwland that's also the way lots of popular PC music player applications do their "queuing" and i like it
17:04:59crwlwhy would you hate an added feature which you wouldn't be forced to use?
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17:06:39daurnimatorcause it would take up extra space
17:06:51daurnimatorand/or valuable button combinations
17:07:11crwlfrom where? it could very well be in the context menu of playlist entries
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17:07:45crwlthere's currently only Remove, Move and File options in there - an additional Enqueue option wouldn't really clutter the menu too much IMHO :)
17:10:18daurnimatori say just press Next 5 times or w/e
17:10:20daurnimatorits not hard
17:10:35daurnimatoryou shouldv'e made your playlist correctly in the first place
17:11:13crwlbut pressing next 30 times would be somewhat dull, wouldn't it?
17:11:26crwlor 300
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17:12:04crwland it has absolutely nothing to do with "making a playlist correctly", more with changed tracks of interest etc. :)
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17:14:07*daurnimator wonders why you would have a 300 song long playlist - put it on random for godsakes
17:15:07dionoeamaybe if all your songs are 2s long
17:15:20crwlblah, I'm not interested in lectures on how I should be listening my music to, I just threw a feature request in the air
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17:15:52kridiani don't how a "where to go next in the playlist after this song" isn't useful
17:15:54daurnimatorand i'm making it come back down
17:15:56kridian^see
17:16:18kridianbut okay..
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17:56:58darklessa quick question: does rockbox support id3v2.4?
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17:59:48sadeness_and does it support APE tags?
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17:59:59apo`Yes
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18:00:16PaulJamape tags in mp3 are not supported
18:00:31sadeness_foobar2k does.
18:02:28preglowrockbox isn't foobar2k
18:03:43sadeness_I know. That's clear enough. I created half of my collection with APE tags. Where was my brain.
18:03:58kridianoh no
18:04:04apo`Just change it :P
18:05:08sadeness_:-) id3v2 is VERY slow.
18:05:17sadeness_I mean to create it.
18:05:20darklessI've contemplated retagging with id3v2.4 so I wanted to know if rockbox would handle it.
18:06:21apo`AFAIK foobar tags with id3v2.4, and rockbox can read the tags, so...
18:06:38darklessyeah, this was partly because the latest foobar release writes id3v2.4 and not id3v2.3 like the old 0.8.3 release did
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18:07:21preglowthere is a patch for ape mp3 tag support anyway
18:07:22PaulJamat least the wps tag for ID3 version includes 2.4, so i guess it is supported.
18:07:26preglowwhich might make its way into rockbox
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18:10:52idnarI'm slowly getting rid of all my mp3 files
18:20:01apo`Do you transcode them?
18:20:35idnarno, just replacing them with better rips (mainly FLAC)
18:21:52apo`I don't think that I can find non-MP3 rips for like 1000 albums ^^;
18:22:30idnarwell, I did say "slowly" ;)
18:22:54daurnimatoror the hdd space
18:22:56PaulJamyou don't have to find them, just re-rip your cds.
18:23:23apo`PaulJam: Haha.
18:23:35huerlimaplugins: does anybody know what MAX_PATH stands for?
18:24:20idnarI've only got 36GB here atm
18:24:28idnar(of music, I mean)
18:24:50daurnimatorsend me some
18:24:51daurnimator^_^
18:24:58daurnimatori lost most of my mp3s
18:25:03daurnimatorhad to restart colleting
18:25:16daurnimatornow only got 25gb or so
18:25:24apo`I now have 30gb
18:25:36apo`Had 90 before... but it's all on my PC with the fried mobo
18:25:39idnarmy iAudio X5 only has 30GB, so I don't keep everything on there
18:25:48apo`And I don't have the money to repair it atm ~_~
18:27:44Mikachuwhy not just move the hd?
18:31:11apo`Because I don't have another desktop PC
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18:31:45PaulJamyou could buy an usb case for the hd.
18:32:09daurnimatoror.. just plug it in with IDE/SATA
18:32:09daurnimator:S
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18:32:57apo`[18:31:45] <PaulJam> you could buy an usb case for the hd. < I wanna get the money for repairing my PC
18:33:08apo`And I have my favourite music on the notebook, so it's okay..
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18:49:17tongashi, anyone here about ipod 5G?
18:49:26PhR3aKsomeone here with a rockbox'ed ipod nano?
18:50:40PhR3aK(tongas): not a 5g, but a nano
18:51:15sagittariushey guys just a quick question. My holidays have just started so I'm looking into playing with the rockbox. I'll read the website, documentation when I have a whole day to myself :D but anyways. was just wandering in what language the plugins are written? C? C++? something else? wouldn't mind compiling something and trying it out hehe
18:51:16tongasha soory!
18:51:31sagittariusdid i mention i like what rockbox has to offer:D
18:51:44preglowc
18:51:49preglowc and some assembler
18:52:12tongasPhR3aK: do you have problems when connecting ipod to power supply? me: multiple boot
18:52:16sagittariusgood stuff :D assembler not important, assembling is the easiest part hehe
18:52:27preglow99.9% of rockbox is c
18:52:36PhR3aKi thought this was a problem already fixed?
18:52:56PaulJamtongas: i think you need to hold menu while inserting the usb charger
18:53:09sagittariuswhat about when writting plugins? would I be just writting pure C or is there some sort of "rockbox magic code" to be used as well
18:53:33tongasPhR3aK: if i don't, it boots, and boots, and reboots again...
18:53:58preglowsagittarius: language is pure c, but you need some rockbox specific code, of course
18:54:00PhR3aK(tongas): i think thats because of the fact that you still need the original fw to charge / connect to usb
18:54:03stripwaxsagittarius - you'd need to get to grips with the plugin interface provided by rockbox, but it's just all in C..
18:54:05preglowdon't expect stuff like printf to work
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18:54:38tongasah ok, not fully ready yet ?
18:54:50PhR3aKand without holding menu down he will always try to boot orig. fw
18:55:33tongasso boot in ipod fw before to connect ?
18:55:34PhR3aKi think you have to ask this the core dev's of rockbox...
18:55:35stripwaxtongas - right: rockbox haven't developed a usb file transfer driver yet; so if you want to transfer files you still need the original fw.
18:55:39sagittariusnothing beats printf for debugging :D Will look into it all on a fresh day. just want to get general idea now. My first thing will be to just write the famous 'hello world' and will go from there :)
18:55:53stripwaxbut just for charging, you can hold menu and plug in; and ipod will charge while staying in rockbox
18:55:53preglowsagittarius: hello.c is already done for you :)
18:56:24preglowsagittarius: you still can print to the screen, of course, we also have some other debugging facilitieas
18:56:27preglowbut sure, go ahead
18:56:28preglowand have fun!
18:56:30preglowi'm outtie
18:56:34daurnimatorprintk
18:56:35daurnimator:P
18:56:41PhR3aK(tongas): i think the main problem is that its hard to write a driver for that...
18:56:45tongasstripwax: thanks, to PhR too
18:57:29stripwaxsure. at some point it'll be not necessary- but for now this is how it is for ipod
18:57:46sagittariusyeah will read the documentation to get a better idea :) rockbox caught my attention so why not try and write something hehe. I'm sure plenty of people to help out if I get stuck ;)
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19:06:17daurnimatorrockbox.org
19:06:19daurnimator;)
19:07:01sagittariushehehe
19:07:19freqmodLogf is a good printf replacement, and printf works in the simulator (on a pc)
19:07:35daurnimatordoes rockbox have printk?
19:07:50sagittariusjust as good as RTFM. i'm looking through the site though don't seem to be able to find page that lists the available functions
19:08:10freqmodplugins.h is a good place to start, I will find it for you
19:08:34freqmodhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugin.h?rev=1.179&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
19:08:34daurnimatorhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
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19:09:06sagittariusdownloading the source now, have a quick look inside. too late to start doing anything now, 3am and footbal is still going on hehe
19:09:10sagittariusthanks for the links
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19:47:05dionoeaanyone familiar with this kind of error when loading a plugin in the sim: dlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/rockpaint.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/rockpaint.rock: undefined symbol: sim_creat
19:47:09dionoea?
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19:52:21yurikshello
19:55:58preglowdionoea: well, sounds like you have an undefined symbol...
19:56:27dionoeapreglow: ... yeah, but i don't know about any sim_creat ...
19:57:19Papricadionoea, other plugins in the same sim works well?
19:57:24dionoeayep :(
19:57:40dionoeaand mine used to work until 10 minutes ago ... don't know why it doesn't now
19:57:50dionoeai must have changed something :)
19:58:02Papricatry to compile it again, i donno =\
19:58:11dionoeaalready did that
19:58:47Papricaoh
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20:00:15dionoeahum ... i guess that i know ...
20:01:13Paprica...
20:01:34dionoeai moved a function out of the core to the plugin (well, to a lib.)
20:01:45dionoeaso it doesn't have access to the same kind of functions
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20:11:38yuriksheck, how come no one figured USB on the iPod yet?
20:12:06yuriksI mean, there's a wiki article on iPL.org explaining how to use it as a HOST
20:15:54midkayyuriks, because there's already a disk mode we can use, and time is better spent on making rockbox run well than giving rockbox its own usb mode when we already have access to one..
20:16:11yuriks=P
20:16:12midkayif you're interested in giving rockbox a usb mode, feel free.
20:16:20yuriksrebooting to test FW is very annoiying
20:16:28daurnimatormidkay: hope killer
20:16:29daurnimator;)
20:16:45midkaypooooor yuriks, he has to reboot to test his firmware..
20:16:46midkay::)
20:16:47yuriksugh, driver code is awesomely ugly and full of ifdefs
20:17:20daurnimatoryuriks: thats cause theres different archs
20:17:21daurnimator:S
20:17:31yuriksyeah bu, it is REALLY ugly
20:18:03yurikswhy not put stuff in something like "drivers/ipod/4g/buttons.c"
20:18:10yuriksand just ifdef to include that
20:18:15Bagderfeel free to do that
20:18:25Bagderthe x5 is made with that style
20:18:30Bagderand it is target for 3.1
20:18:35Bagdertargeted
20:18:36yurikshmmm, good
20:18:41Bagderbut then
20:19:06Bagderif ifdefs make it hard for you, I don't think that'll help much
20:19:33*yuriks just got a goal, after that I'll make a piezzo crystal driver!!1!11!!!one!11!eleven!111
20:19:52midkaysomeone had already made one..
20:20:05yuriksyeah?
20:20:18yuriksI'm not finding it in the CVS checkout
20:20:22midkayhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111
20:20:25midkayas a patch, i mean.
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20:24:08yuriksmeh, I'm pretty much useless then -_-
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20:33:16yuriksO_O
20:33:25yuriksrockbox code looks fugly for sure
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21:14:24peturyuriks: no project that has been worked on this long and expanded this much will look perfect
21:14:40yurikswell, I don't think ifdefs are the way to go
21:14:54peturthen what is?
21:15:05peturyou're a copy/paste man?
21:15:51petursure, the firmware tree needs cleaning up, but that is on the agenda
21:15:58yuriksI don't see the linux kernel having craploads of ifdefs, and it is very multiplatform
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21:17:39peturthe rockbox kernel has little ifdefs too
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21:17:51dionoeamaybe it's just not intentend to be used on media players with loads of memory/cpu restrictions
21:17:52peturrockbox = kernel + drivers + app
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21:38:00LWihi there :-)
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21:40:35LWii want to add a splash-screen to the ipod bootloader. for that i need to include the file misc.h for show_logo() and i need to build the corresponding .c files from the logo bitmaps. can anyone help me with the makefile system there? if i just include misc.h it says "not found"
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21:42:57linuxstb_LWi: The short answer is that you can't. The bootloader only links with code in the firmware/ directory.
21:43:24LWiah ok
21:43:42LWibut i can use the bitmap build system?
21:43:50LWii can copy the show_logo code
21:44:14preglowwhat do you need a picture in the bootloader for?
21:44:57LWipreglow: the point is that if the bootloader works well you can't read the messages anyway and it would be nice to have the rockbox logo shown instead
21:45:01linuxstb_LWi: The bitmap build system is also in apps/
21:45:25preglowi'd rather like the bootloader to not do anything at all with the screen if it works well, but that's just preference, i guess
21:45:36linuxstb_LWi: Or just leave the screen blank - it's only there for a second...
21:46:41LWilinuxstb_: i already have the logo by copying the show_logo code and and the logo .c file from the non-bootloader build. i just wanted to do it cleaner :-)
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22:00:08LWiwhere are the bitmap settings for the different targets stored?
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22:05:10linuxstb_What do you mean by "bitmap settings"? The LCD characteristics?
22:06:10LWilinuxstb_: i mean which rockbox logo is used (porbably decided based on the LCD size?!?)
22:06:53linuxstb_The SOURCES files in the apps/bitmaps/native/ directory.
22:07:39linuxstb_That specifies which .bmp files are converted to .c and linked into Rockbox.
22:07:51LWithanks! exactly what i needed!
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22:34:21preglowanyone else agree with me that the startup in recording screen option is redundant?
22:36:27amiconnNo, why?
22:37:27preglowbecause it does almost nothing
22:37:34preglowyou save a couple of keypresses, big deal
22:38:01Mikachuwhat if all you're going to do for 2 weeks is recording?
22:38:12preglowthen you're going to be pressing those buttons a lot
22:38:24preglowwhat if i only want to play games for 2 weeks?
22:38:26amiconnWell, this feature was actually implemented on user request iirc
22:38:31preglowshould we add an option for that too?
22:38:35preglowit's redundant and bloats the feature set
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22:38:56preglowamiconn: we get a lot of user requests...
22:39:08amiconnpreglow: With the same reasoning, you could also remove 'resume on startup'
22:39:19preglowok with me
22:39:21preglowheh
22:39:37amiconnPlayback and recording (on devices capable of recording) are core features. Playing games is not
22:39:52Mikachuif you remove 'resume on startup' i will be a bit sad, then i'll add it back
22:40:03preglowi always resume manually
22:40:11Mikachuit saves me 7 seconds every time
22:40:19Mikachui just press menu, turn on hold and put it in my pocket
22:40:30Mikachuinstead of pressing menu, waiting 7 seconds, pressing play, turn on hold, and put in my pocket
22:40:44amiconnWell, I neither use 'recording screen on startup' nor 'resume on startup', but I understand why they're there
22:41:11preglowsure, i also understand
22:41:20amiconnMikachu: The wait isn't necessary when rockbox resides in flash. One of the reasons why I still often prefer one of my archoses...
22:41:23preglowi still think it's redundant, though
22:41:33preglowresume on startup a bit less so
22:41:58preglowafter the rec screen is booted, you still need to interact further, so you really don't save much time either
22:42:09Mikachuwell, auto resume is not redundant, please don't remove it. i don't care so much about recording screen since i don't have the capability to record :)
22:42:25preglowamiconn: if you only use mp3s anyway i don't see why you would use anything other than archos
22:42:48preglowthat is, if you weren't a developer, heh
22:43:12amiconnYeah, and the other way 'round, I see not reason switching to a different format than mp3... except maybe a lossless format, if I can afford the necessary space
22:43:50preglowi mainly just switched away from it on the basis of there being free formats around
22:43:54amiconnmp3 is good quality (with the right encoder and enough bitrate), and it doesn't easily support drm
22:44:01preglowplus, i hate mp3 encoding artifacts
22:44:04preglowi can hear them instantly
22:44:28amiconnI can hear encoding artefacts on any lossy format if it's compressed too much
22:44:35preglowyes, of course
22:44:42preglowbut vorbis encoding artifacts sound much better
22:44:49preglowand musepack, for that matter
22:45:16amiconnmusepack is a special case for me. I don't really trust it
22:45:19preglownot claiming that, i'm just saying i can hear mp3 ones extra well
22:45:25preglowwhy not trust it?
22:45:32preglowit's basically a souped of layer 2
22:45:36preglowand layer 2 is a nice, simple codec
22:46:13preglowsouped UP, yes
22:46:20amiconnYes, and I strongly doubt that a beefed up layer 2 performs better than layer 3
22:46:30preglowin this case it's pretty close
22:46:38preglowif you don't think so, i'd urge you to do some tests, you'll be surprised
22:46:50amiconnI know that layer 2 sounds fairly good, but you need higher bitrate than layer 3 for the same quality
22:46:58preglowthis is pretty much what everyone has been saying for a couple of years now
22:47:03preglowyes, of course
22:47:08preglowbut musepack adds tons more coding
22:47:12amiconnIt also depends on the encoder; of which toolame doesn't seem to be the best choice...
22:47:27preglowit does huffman coding, which layer 2does not, it does predictive coding on the coefs, stereo coupling, etc
22:47:43preglowtoolame isn't very good, no
22:48:03*amiconn prefers a rather special encoder for layer 1 and layer 2
22:48:14amiconnPegase... Amiga only :)
22:48:27preglowand i actually seem to prefer codecs that don't include an mdct in the signal chain
22:48:51preglowyou don't get any of those glitchy block artifacts
22:49:34amiconnWell, layer 3 also does huffman coding + stereo coupling, and I believe the mdct stuff allows more compression before artefacts get audible
22:49:43preglowsure it does
22:50:08preglowbut it also introduces a whole slew of new possibly encoding artifacts
22:50:17preglowif the psymodel is bad, you'll hear it a lot faster
22:50:28preglowbut anyway
22:50:50preglowthis is rather pointless, but musepack really does perform a lot better than you'd think it to, just looking at the specs
22:51:54amiconnFor me, an important point is format support. mp3 is supported by virtually anything. None of the other formats comes close.
22:52:10preglowyup, can't argue about that
22:52:29amiconnOgg vorbis is a nice idea, because it's free. Support leaves a lot to be desired...
22:52:36preglowbut i plan to stick with rockbox for the foreseeable future, so kind of a moot point for me now :)
22:53:17preglowvorbis support is very good
22:53:28preglowapart from on daps, of course
22:53:35amiconnyep
22:53:43amiconnThat's what I mean
22:53:48preglowyep, but there i have no problem
22:53:51preglowi'll stick with rockbox
22:54:01Mikachuthat is the original reason i even use rockbox
22:54:11preglowthat's the original reason i went iriver
22:54:22preglowweren't it for ogg, i would not be here now ;)
22:54:28Mikachuyay ogg
22:54:38Mikachuor vorbis rather
22:54:43preglowyeah, vorbis
22:54:48Mikachuogg mp3 would be fun
22:54:49preglowi tend to not think while i write, so it comes out as both
22:54:56preglowhaha, yeah
22:55:05preglowsomeone's bound to have tried that
22:55:09preglowmp3 is really easily wrappable
22:55:37Mikachumplayer lets you put mpeg video in .avi
22:55:41linuxstb_mp3-in-MPEG-4 would be a better idea...
22:56:01amiconnRe ogg vorbis support - a stock windows installation can play mp3. It cannot play ogg vorbis
22:56:11preglowlinuxstb_: * in mpeg4 would be a better idea, as far as i can see
22:56:41Mikachumpeg4 iss a muxing format too?
22:56:43preglowamiconn: i'm quite sure the xiph guys have tried their very best to make microsoft bundle it
22:56:47preglowMikachu: yea
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22:57:15preglowamiconn: a stock ubuntu installation can play vorbis, but not mp3, what's your point :P
22:57:19amiconnOn linux it's different, I know, but then look at the percentage of installed systems. I have no idea about what MacOS supports
22:57:34Mikachumacos would not support vorbis if the fate of the world depended on it
22:57:39preglowindeed
22:57:45amiconnThe last time I looked at MacOS, that was MacOS 7.x
22:57:50Mikachuor rather, "even if"
22:57:51preglowi've never looked at macos
22:57:52preglowheh
22:57:59preglowmac os x looks nice, that's all i know
22:58:01preglowtoo bad it's bsd based
22:58:13Mikachui used it once briefly on a prof's computer, it made me very confused
22:58:15dionoeathe only issue is the one button mouse
22:58:20dionoeaother than that it's great
22:58:31dionoeathe interface is awesome
22:58:44preglowMikachu: ahahha, yeah, i had to set up a presentation of mine on a profs laptop running mac os x once
22:59:01preglowMikachu: confused me profusely just doing that
22:59:05Mikachuall windows came up maximized and there was no taskbar in sight, i as ilke wtf?
22:59:17Mikachuapparently i can't type today
22:59:24preglowwelcome to my world
22:59:32Mikachui don't even drink alcohol
22:59:52preglowoh, i do most of my bad writing while not under any influence
22:59:57preglowif not all of it
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23:00:03amiconnWhat I didn't like about MacOS (dunno whether that's changed) is that it restricts you too much. It tries to force you a certain way to do something. Deviating from that way is hard, if not impossible.
23:00:14preglowamiconn: it's still like that, afaik
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23:00:20preglowjust like fucking ipods
23:00:24preglowghah
23:00:39dionoeahehe
23:00:47preglowretailos sUCKS sO bADLY
23:00:56amiconnWith linux it's the other way 'round. If you don't know enough about how the system works, it's impossible to do certain things.
23:01:23preglowamiconn: gnome based systems are turning the scenario pretty much into the mac os x one
23:01:31amiconnAhahaha
23:01:37amiconnCertainly not
23:01:38pregloweverything is so simplified it's hard to do harder stuff
23:01:41Mikachukde is windows and gnome is macosx
23:02:07preglowyeah, more or less
23:02:14amiconnI prefer gnome over KDE. The KDE desktop is overloaded
23:02:25amiconnI still can do anything in gnome that I can do in KDE
23:02:57amiconnProblems start if something doesn't work as intended... which happens way more often on linux than it happens on windows, at least for me
23:03:08SinceDaysPasshey is there a way to increase the font size in rockbox?
23:03:10preglowso we've heard
23:03:16Mikachuif there is a problem in linux, you can solve it, in windows you are usually screwed
23:03:17preglowSinceDaysPass: you switch to another font
23:03:39SinceDaysPasscool
23:03:49SinceDaysPassyou know a good website for fonts?
23:03:52SinceDaysPassdo do any work
23:03:54preglowi actually prefer running linux to windows now
23:04:05preglowafter i switched (for work reasons) about half a year back
23:04:08amiconnMikachu: For me it's usually the other way 'round...
23:04:10SinceDaysPassor do any work**
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23:04:14Mikachueverytime i use windows, the one thing that drives me crazy first is you can't middle click titlebars to lower windows :)
23:04:35preglowMikachu: hey, i didn't know that...
23:04:57amiconnIn fact I would like to switch to linux, at least partially. It's simply not possible for me...
23:05:03Mikachuabout windows or whatever wm you use?
23:05:14*Bagder sighs as he cleans out another spamattack from the wiki
23:05:15preglowabout lowering windows
23:05:23dionoeaSinceDaysPass: you have to get the fonts from the daily builds page on http://rockbox.org
23:05:50preglowi've pretty much switched to linux now, and the only thing i miss about windows, is nicer audio support
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23:06:32preglowplus, of course, more games, but i've pretty much given up gaming
23:06:45amiconnI don't care about games...
23:06:55Mikachui have a gamecube :)
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23:07:00preglowMikachu: oooh, nice console
23:07:23SinceDaysPassi got fonts now thanks, but where do they go? .rockbox/fonts?
23:07:33Mikachui bought it together with my flatmate but he never uses it :)
23:07:35amiconnWell, at least not about that kind of games...
23:07:51dionoeaSinceDaysPass: yep
23:08:03SinceDaysPassthank dionoea
23:08:17*smably misses foobar2000 :/
23:08:21*preglow too
23:08:50dionoeaxmms is nice
23:08:52*amiconn never tried that foobar stuff
23:08:53preglowhahahaha
23:09:01preglowxmms is crap
23:09:08preglowbut it's what i use, unfortunately
23:09:10*Mikachu uses audacious
23:09:12dionoealol
23:09:24Mikachu(http://audacious-media-player.org/Main_Page)
23:09:25dionoeai use xmms / vlc
23:09:25preglowfoobar2k is the best
23:09:26preglowno doubt
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23:09:38amiconnpreglow: The best for what?
23:09:50SinceDaysPassdionoea: do you know of any good themes? or where to find some? ive looked but i cant find much
23:09:52Seedthe best player on any OS
23:09:56preglowamiconn: music
23:09:58*Bagder uses xmms and doesn't even understand what those other players could possibly add to motivate a awitch
23:10:02preglowMikachu: doesn't look too bad
23:10:05dionoeaSinceDaysPass: rockbox-themes.org i think
23:10:07amiconnpreglow: What does it support?
23:10:09preglowMikachu: qt/gtk?
23:10:13preglowamiconn: everything, pretty much
23:10:22preglowamiconn: nice minimal native ui
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23:10:25*amiconn uses DeliPlayer - *if* he's playing music on the PC, which rarely happens
23:10:31preglowhaha
23:10:34SinceDaysPassgod damn, thanks so much dinonea
23:10:39dionoea:)
23:10:39preglowit doesn't beat deliplayer at formats support
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23:11:22amiconnMost of the time I use one of my DAPs for playing music. I don't even store my music collection on the PC
23:11:23linuxstb_Bagder: Lack of gapless is my main gripe with xmms
23:11:26Mikachupreglow: gtk2. indirectly based on xmms
23:11:36preglowhrm
23:11:42preglowdoesn't look like it's in the ubuntu repos
23:11:45BagderI never cared much about gapless ;-)
23:11:56preglowabout 30% of my music needs gapless
23:12:45crwlxmms supports gapless just fine if you use the xmms-crossfade output plugin
23:12:57crwlyou can set it to have gapless transitions in automatic song change
23:13:23crwlit probably isn't included by default but at least debian and ubuntu package it
23:13:32Bagderwell, that doesn't really count as proper gapless imho
23:13:37crwlwell, why not?
23:13:40preglowcrwl: ubuntu doesn't
23:13:42Bagderbecause it should to it always
23:13:45Bagderdo it
23:13:53Bagderwithout needing weird options enabled
23:13:54crwlpreglow, it does, in the universe repo
23:14:03crwlwhatever, weird options or not, it works :P
23:14:18Bagderwith a _crossfading_ plugin
23:14:19preglowcrwl: then how come i can't find it?
23:14:28preglowbah
23:14:32preglowyou're talking about xmms?
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23:14:45crwlxmms
23:14:48preglowthat's included with _everything_
23:14:49linuxstb_crwl: That's a hack - it's not useful when you have a collection of different samplerates because it will always resample.
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23:15:22crwllinuxstb_, well, i don't think i have a *single* 48 kHz file in my >7000 song collection
23:15:35linuxstb_I do though...
23:15:50crwlnot that I used xmms either any more
23:16:41crwlamarok still can't do proper gapless even tough they advertise it can, but otherwise it beats any other solution available, imho
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23:18:07SinceDaysPasshey dionoea how can i get back to the root folder in rockbox?
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23:18:29dionoeaSinceDaysPass: read the manual :)
23:18:36SinceDaysPassi looked
23:18:37dionoeaor click on the left arrow
23:18:39SinceDaysPass:(
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23:18:57SinceDaysPassi cant have music playing?
23:19:06dionoeayes you can
23:19:28SinceDaysPassif i hit the back arrow i just go music page
23:19:58dionoeahit the menu key
23:20:11dionoea(try all the keys)
23:20:28SinceDaysPassha i got it
23:20:33SinceDaysPassthanks again
23:21:21SinceDaysPassthen changing fonts will always mess up my themes right?
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23:21:54preglowMikachu: giving audacious a spin now
23:21:56preglowif it compiles, that is
23:22:00Mikachuheh
23:22:14NeoMikeSo lets say I had a broken wps and it happened to set a white font on a white background - Anyone have any suggestions on getting it to use a different WPS without being able to see the screen?
23:22:20NeoMikeor even make it fall back to default?
23:23:12BagderNeoMike: clear settings at startup
23:23:27NeoMiketried deleting the offending wps and everything related to it, and it still boots up using it
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23:23:41NeoMikehrm
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23:23:52reverendnathanHello,
23:23:54NeoMikeBagder will give it a try
23:24:46preglowdefault skin looks like a bag of shit
23:24:53reverendnathanI'm using Linux, and I'm installing Rockbox to a iPod Video. Everything has gone smoothly, but the bootloader will not transfer back to the iPod at /dev/sdb1. Do I need to mount it?
23:25:23linuxstb_What happens when you try to write it?
23:26:11reverendnathanI'll show you the output. Basically it shows a transfer log, but it transfers 0.0 Kb
23:26:37ep0ch_i think the "startup in recording screen" option should go and be replaced with this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5049
23:26:39linuxstb_Obvious question, but how big is your rockboot.bin?
23:26:59preglowMikachu: why does everyone have to clone the bloody winamp interface ://///////////////
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23:27:17Mikachui told you it was based on xmms
23:27:20NeoMikeBagder: it worked, thanks :-)
23:27:28preglowit's based on beep, not xmms
23:27:47Mikachumy exact words were it is based indirectly on xmms
23:27:51preglowhaha
23:27:52preglowstill
23:27:59Mikachubeep is a fork of xmms
23:28:04preglowpeople should stop cloning the old winamp interface
23:28:06preglowit's fugly
23:28:16preglowplayer in itself seems decent, though
23:28:20Mikachui usually have it minimized
23:28:35reverendnathanlinuxstb_ eek! It's 0KB! What step did I mess up on? :-o
23:29:07linuxstb_Could be any... Firstly, how big is the bootpartition.bin file?
23:31:18reverendnathanOk, that fixed that problem.
23:31:45reverendnathanNow, when I try to combine bootloaders, I get this error
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23:31:51reverendnathanCannot open loader image file bootloader-video.bin
23:32:21linuxstb_You need to download it from the wiki page and put it in the directory you're working in.
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23:33:02PhR3aKanyone here with a rockbox'ed ipod nano?
23:33:06reverendnathanThere we go!
23:33:10reverendnathanThat did that
23:33:13reverendnathanNow to test my iPod
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23:33:51reverendnathanBy the way, I could never get my iPod to unmount with nautilus, amaroK, or Konquerer. What's with that?
23:34:21reverendnathanOh, crap
23:34:42reverendnathanNow I get an error on my iPod: http://www.apple.com/support/ipod and a forlder with an error icon
23:34:53freqmodfuser -a gives all used processes
23:35:20freqmoduse ipod restore, or try to set the write firmware again (check what you've done)
23:35:29freqmod*try to write the firmware
23:35:44reverendnathanAlright
23:35:46reverendnathanImma try again
23:35:55linuxstb_reverendnathan: (repeating my earlier question) how big is your bootpartition.bin?
23:36:02linuxstb_(don't do anything else)
23:36:10reverendnathan39.2 MB
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23:36:40PhR3aKwhat is the batterylife about on a ipod nano playing mp3's?
23:36:50linuxstb_That should be either 80MB or 112MB depending on if you have the 30GB or 60GB video. But it may not be a problem...
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23:37:05linuxstb_How big are your apple_os.bin and the other apple_ file?
23:38:21freqmodPhR3aK: Much more than a video... (my nano was destroyed, I was not impressed with the video afterwards)
23:38:35pregloww000t
23:38:39preglowfunctioning psf support
23:39:15PhR3aKhas it something to do with the fact that the nano uses flash storage?
23:40:33PhR3aK(freqmod): could you give me a number (just roughly)
23:40:41freqmodbtw. now speex seek & next track works (but not with crossfade (SEGFAULT) or GCC 4.0.3 on ipod:(, gives the sound of silence).
23:41:13freqmoda bit less than with the original firmware
23:41:23freqmodis my impression
23:41:34PhR3aKso like more than 10hrs?
23:41:39linuxstb_PhR3aK: Try the IpodRuntime wiki page.
23:42:14freqmodi am seeking much, and restarting ipod degrades preformance
23:42:58freqmod(soft) sleep in the ipod firmware degrades my battery as if it is on :S
23:43:04PhR3aK(linuxstb_): thats why i'm asking, they were just tests with ogg at high quality... and i thougt that the mp3 support might be more optimized?
23:43:45linuxstb_No, Ogg performs better than MP3 at the moment. But I wouldn't expect a big difference in runtime.
23:43:52preglowMikachu: this thing is quite a bit sweeter than xmms, thanks for the suggestion
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23:46:08PhR3aK(linuxstb_): ok thx... but you can say that the nano runs longer than the hdd based ipod's... has this smth to do with the fact that theres (for example) no hdd spinup and stuff?
23:46:52PhR3aKbecause its flash storage based
23:46:54freqmodyes it runs longer, especially when rebooting, or seeking much
23:47:05reverendnathanOK
23:47:07reverendnathanThat doesn't work
23:47:18reverendnathanNot only do I not have rockbox, I don't have apple's firmware!
23:47:47preglowMikachu: it crashes when i try to load skins, though...
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23:48:55freqmodipod updater allways works (you may want to fool it to think that the firmware is of an other version, so it won't reset the HD)
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23:52:53PhR3aK(freqmod): so do you think that i could completely swich to rockbox on my nano? without fears that it weares down my battery?
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23:54:11freqmodyes, I don't think that would be a problem, but if you have both firmwares you could try to measure the difference yourself
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23:56:17PhR3aKyeah but it kinda sucks because rockbox cant read the files that apple reads and vice versa
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23:56:36linuxstb_Have you tried TagCache?
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23:57:06amiconnPhR3aK: Afaik the mini g2 is the ipod model with the longest runtime under rockbox
23:57:10amiconn9..10 hours
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