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#rockbox log for 2006-06-27

00:00:04Bagderbut speaks swedish
00:00:11that_asian_guyyou know him?
00:00:17Mikachulinusis torvivaldis
00:00:17Bagdernope
00:00:28Bagderwe have our own Linus
00:01:35that_asian_guyand he's swedish?
00:01:41that_asian_guyright?
00:01:44preglowyes
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00:02:25preglowMikachu: you're doing cs at uni, i assume?
00:03:20Mikachuengineer in physics
00:03:32Mikachui take cs courses when i need free credits
00:03:36preglowahh
00:03:58preglowwhat cs courses i looked at seemed extremely boring
00:04:02preglowthe only one i did was
00:04:21that_asian_guyso i'm assuming only about half the conversation here is actually about rockbox?
00:04:26Mikachui've done 3d programming and one in mips assembler
00:04:37preglowthat_asian_guy: varies
00:04:46Bagderthat_asian_guy: it varies over time... but it tends to be a mix of everything
00:04:47Mikachuand one about "algorithms and data structures"
00:04:49Bagderwith a rockbox touch
00:04:50preglowright now there's not much coding going on
00:04:54Mikachubut only because it's needed for other more interesting ones
00:04:58preglowMikachu: i took that one, bored myself to death
00:05:13preglowthey made me use python!
00:05:17Mikachui don't like the cs department of lth, they use java too much
00:05:27Mikachuwe used python in the 3d programming course :)
00:05:44Mikachuthe code they gave us was very strange and slow
00:05:47preglowi did electronics, so my school coding was c and asm
00:05:54preglowwhich fit me perfectly, because i knew them :>
00:05:55Mikachuhad to throw some psyco on it
00:06:20preglownothing like free excellent grades
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00:10:01Mikachupreglow: are you done with uni?
00:10:06preglowyeap
00:10:14that_asian_guyoh yeah, my mom is a programmer for northrop grumman, knows c, c++, java, everything, and i asked her if she could help with rockbox and she said she could take a look at the source and help a little if she had time
00:10:15preglowbeen so for a year's time
00:10:30Mikachuah
00:10:43Mikachumy mom got me into programming :)
00:10:52preglowi got myself into programming :>
00:10:55Bagderyou youngsters
00:11:18petursame here, didn't even get C at school, just cobol and pascal
00:11:29preglowahh, pascal
00:11:36preglowmy first "real" language
00:11:38that_asian_guywhen i have nothing to do, i poke around her vast collection of books on programming :)
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00:12:05that_asian_guythat's how i know a little bit about c and stuff
00:12:25that_asian_guy:D
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00:13:21PhR3aKhow can i charge my ipod via ac adapter?
00:13:28preglowyou plug it in
00:13:38PhR3aKbut then rockbox starts
00:13:43Mikachuyou probably want to boot apple os first
00:14:28that_asian_guyyou have to have your ipod on to charge
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00:14:54PhR3aKbut i have a problem, when i start the apple fw, i have to reset it after charging, otherwise rockbox wont boot (apple fw doesnt have a off function)
00:15:04Mikachuyes, that isn't a problem
00:15:14that_asian_guycant solve that
00:15:28that_asian_guyunless you wait for it to go into power off after a long time
00:16:00PhR3aKok... but is it otherwise no problem to keep my ipod on (rockbox bootet) while charging?
00:16:25that_asian_guyum what do you mean?
00:16:34PhR3aKsry for my english
00:16:39Mikachuiiuc, we don't know how to make charging go fast yet, so if you listen to music while charging, you could run out
00:16:43that_asian_guyits not a problem to have rockbox on while u charge
00:16:45Mikachubut if you just idle it should be fine
00:16:54Mikachuit should still go faster in apple os though
00:16:59that_asian_guynot really
00:17:00preglowBagder: btw, any new talk about an sdk?
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00:17:04Mikachusomeone correct me if i'm wrong
00:17:06*amiconn just plugs USB for charging. Yes, rockbox will boot first, but drop into diskmode because it sees USB connected. The I let it charge in diskmode
00:17:19Bagderpreglow: been silent from him since I mailed him my latest questions
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00:17:25preglowBagder: sounds good
00:17:34that_asian_guysdk?
00:17:38Mikachuso if they want to send out more free devices, give them my address
00:17:45that_asian_guyoh well wont bother with the dev talk
00:18:00preglowleast they could do is fix up their bootloader to support rockbox
00:18:09PhR3aKi mean, for example, i wanna charge my ipod the night over... so what should i do, can i let rockbox run? so does he charge in the background while rockbox is running
00:18:14that_asian_guyyeah
00:18:18Bagderpreglow: I suggested that as an alternative
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00:18:25Mikachupost a slashdot story "sandisk refuses to cooperate"
00:18:30Mikachumaybe that will get their attention
00:18:30Bagderhaha
00:18:44amiconnRockbox charges only slowly.
00:18:53that_asian_guyphreak: you can turn rockbox on and let it run overnight
00:19:00preglowwell, beh
00:19:01preglowbed time
00:19:03preglowgood night
00:19:06Mikachugod nat
00:19:12that_asian_guybed time?
00:19:18that_asian_guyoh wait sweden nvm
00:19:24Mikachunorway, but same time zone
00:19:25preglownorway, at least
00:19:33preglowbut yeah, gnatt
00:20:03PhR3aKdoes rockbox have a kind of sleep option... or idle? i mean while the unit is charging and not used?
00:20:09that_asian_guyno
00:20:14that_asian_guybut it will probably
00:20:29PhR3aKbtw i have an ipod nano
00:20:39PhR3aKbut i think that doesnt matter
00:20:40that_asian_guynope
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00:23:14PhR3aKok thanks so far... good night
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00:24:12that_asian_guyso wait, my mom said she would mess around with the source a little, so what should she work on
00:24:53Mikachuthere are plenty of bugs to choose from in the tracker
00:25:22that_asian_guywhat do you think is important and wouldnt take that much time?
00:25:36Mikachui don't know
00:26:00that_asian_guyoh yeah mikachu, what's your forum name?
00:26:08Mikachui don't use forums
00:26:12that_asian_guyoh ok
00:27:22that_asian_guywonder if bagder's still on
00:27:34*Bagder blinks
00:27:39Mikachupossibly
00:28:06*Bagder sits reading work stuff
00:28:27that_asian_guywhich bug should my mom work on?
00:28:39Bagderthat_asian_guy: one that she feels like having a go at!
00:28:52Bagderor you can pick one for her!
00:29:02that_asian_guyk whatever i'll just show her flyspray
00:29:23Genre9mp3My mom doesn't know what a PC is! :)
00:29:26Bagder"here mom, the evil guys in #rockbox said you could never solve this one: [URL]"
00:29:42Bagderyou need to put some preasure ;-)
00:29:54that_asian_guylol
00:30:03crashdi vote ipod battery ;)
00:30:17that_asian_guytoo many things to optimize
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00:30:26that_asian_guyto make the battery better
00:31:57Genre9mp3I'll ask my mom to bake some cookies for the Rockbox devs! :P
00:32:10Genre9mp3That's all you should expect from my mom...
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00:32:31Mikachuhome made cookies are much better than bug fixes
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00:33:10that_asian_guyoh so now his mom is better than mine?
00:33:12*petur bakes his own cookies
00:33:15Genre9mp3Yes...we could sit and eat them during that endless feature freeze! ;)
00:33:21that_asian_guy:D
00:33:22Mikachuthat_asian_guy: your mom can't bake cookies?
00:33:28that_asian_guyno
00:33:33Mikachuthen yes, his is better
00:33:39that_asian_guyi dont think shes ever baked cookies
00:33:39Bagderhaha
00:34:02that_asian_guyin fact, i don't think ive had a cookie in a long time
00:34:33that_asian_guyat least my mom knows what a pc is
00:34:41Mikachupersonal cookie
00:34:51that_asian_guythen what's a mac?
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00:34:59Bagdermy alternative cookie!
00:35:40that_asian_guyso im typing this on a personal cookie right now?
00:37:07*Bagder got his hands on an NDA'd document about a(nother) dual-core microcontroller
00:37:13hardeephmmm, what are the serious playback/voice bugs that are preventing us from releasing 3.0? Looking at flyspray and the wiki page, I don't see anything that I'd classify as such...
00:37:30Mikachui think there are three critical bugs marked for 3.0
00:37:34Mikachuone of them is the playback one
00:37:54hardeepMikachu: which playback one?
00:38:10Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2687
00:38:36hardeepthat's one i'd say we could fix after 3.0 (in fact, that's what it says on the wiki page)
00:38:51hardeepit's a fairly special case
00:38:53lostlogicthat's not critical
00:38:56that_asian_guyfix after 3.0?
00:38:57lostlogicand it's hugely difficult to fix
00:38:58Mikachuooh, lostlogic
00:39:04lostlogic:-P
00:39:05*Bagder bounces
00:39:09Mikachulostlogic: go fix bugs
00:39:15lostlogicMikachu: no.
00:39:16Mikachu:P
00:39:34that_asian_guyi dunno if ppl will like an official release that still has bugs in it
00:39:44goffamy two cents: its pretty damn stable
00:39:52goffaand it will NEVER be without some bugs
00:40:01hardeepthat_asian_guy: the software will always have bugs
00:40:16that_asian_guyi know but that's one that will be noticed a lot
00:40:37hardeepsure, and i don't think this is one of them
00:40:42lostlogicthe rewind in the last few seconds is because the codec has already started decoding the next track. I tried a couple of solutions at various times, but none of them satisfied KISS, and I never got any of them to work properly.
00:41:03linuxstbCould we disable rewind at that point?
00:41:11Mikachuor make the wps show the next track
00:41:23lostlogicMikachu: we make the WPS show the next track when you hear the next track
00:41:23hardeepno, wps should definitely not show the next track
00:41:29hardeepbut disabling might not be a bad idea
00:41:30Mikachuhow large is the time window with the default buffer sizes?
00:41:30lostlogiclinuxstb: yes, we could do that without much difficulty.
00:41:35lostlogicMikachu: 3s
00:41:36lostlogicish
00:42:16hardeepalright, any other issues aside from this rewind one that need to be fixed?
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00:42:40that_asian_guywhy not just not decode the next song until it actually gets to it
00:42:42Mikachuany solution that makes the interface not throw up on itself would be good with me
00:42:56Mikachuthat_asian_guy: gapless
00:43:05lostlogichardeep, is the .talk clips bug still alive, that sounds unhappy.
00:43:33hardeeplostlogic: i just noticed that one, will have to look into it
00:43:40that_asian_guythere'll be a slight pause sure, but that's one that will be fixed as more optimizations occur
00:43:51that_asian_guyto mikachu
00:43:54lostlogichardeep: you rock, seriously. and I suck for dropping the ball on playback :(
00:43:56Mikachulostlogic: does skipping still work fine in that window?
00:44:10Mikachuthat_asian_guy: the pause will only be gone if you start decoding the next track before the current ends
00:44:23that_asian_guyo
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00:44:33lostlogicMikachu: I believe skipping behaves as though the new track is playing, so a skip back starts the new track and a skip forward starts the following track
00:44:36lostlogicMikachu: but I've not tested it
00:44:42Mikachuokay
00:45:16*linuxstb wonders what happens if you seek during a crossfade.
00:45:33that_asian_guyam i the only non-dev here?
00:45:38Mikachuthat_asian_guy: no, me too
00:46:01that_asian_guywell l8r g2g
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00:47:08hardeepokay, that's two bugs that need to be look into. I'm trying to make a realistic list so we can get this darned release out... anything else?
00:47:28Mikachuis the wiki release page outdated?
00:47:42hardeepyes
00:47:44BagderI believe there's a few button names in the language file(s) to fix
00:48:22linuxstbThe remote support should also be finished - it's bad to enter a screen via the remote which you then can't leave without going back to the main unit.
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00:49:08Genre9mp3linuxstb: eg. when going to jpeg viewer...
00:49:23linuxstbThe plugins will be harder to fix...
00:49:59Mikachuwouldn't it be sort of silly to enter a plugin with the remote?
00:50:49Genre9mp3Mikachu: at least if you do that you should have an escape button
00:50:53linuxstbThinking from a user's point of view, I don't think so, no.
00:50:58FebsJust because it's silly doesn't mean people won't do it.
00:51:15Mikachui was thinking you could block the ability and pop up something like "you can only open plugins from the main unit"
00:51:45Genre9mp3What happens to me often, is to select jpgs by mistake with my remote
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00:51:59Genre9mp3Very annoying
00:52:23Mikachui cleverly keep all pics in /pics
00:52:47Genre9mp3I some times have 1-2 jpgs in an album folder
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00:58:10hardeepalright, i've updated http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo with the remaining issues. Please update as you see fit.
00:58:51lostlogiclinuxstb: seeking during crossfade is 'ok' because when a crossfade starts, the playing track info is on the fade-in track.
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01:37:48XavierGrwe could always right in each and every plugin code that will accept the stop button of remote.
01:37:53XavierGrbut that sounds hackish
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03:08:01joshany of the programmers in here?
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03:12:49Mikachujosh: why?
03:13:29joshI wanted to work on the Ipod 3rd gen port that got abandoned, last I heard it was only a small issue remaining but none of the devs had 3rd gens
03:13:39joshneeded to know more about where the problem resided
03:14:13Mikachuoh okay, can't help there
03:14:49joshwell, maybe you can help track the problem?
03:15:00joshyou know the rockbox codebase?
03:15:08Mikachunot much of the hardware side
03:16:39joshah
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03:50:10joshany of the programmers come unidle recently?
03:55:00midkay_josh, if you have a question, you can ask.. maybe someone else (even I) can answer, or they can get back to you when they return if they aren't here at the moment.
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03:57:30joshAlright, I'm trying to work out the Ipod 3rd Gen port. I have no experiance with the Rockbox code so I don't know what errors lead me to different places. I can't find a good overview of the codebase
03:59:11midkay_any compile errors should tell you where they came from (usually even what line of what file they're on).. there unfortunately aren't that many docs overviewing the source code, you just have to kind of look around.
03:59:29midkay_have you checked the wiki? and do you have any more specific questions?
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04:00:06joshcompiles fine
04:00:22midkay_so.. what errors are you talking about?
04:00:24joshthe port was almost complete, theres an issue in the audio playback
04:00:33midkay_right, audio doesn't work.
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04:01:44joshand the ipod telling me unkown instuction at xxxxxxxx dosn't help that much. Did i do something wrong with the debug version? cause i cant find the log file it said it was supposed to output
04:02:47Paul_The_NerdAt XXXXXXXX tells you plenty.
04:02:53midkay_oh.. well, you'd probably want to talk to someone else about that. undefined instructions might give you an address to check in the rockbox.map file.. look for it in your build dir /apps, i think.
04:02:56Paul_The_NerdYou can look up the address in the .map file
04:03:19joshsee, these are the kind of things i need to know ;P
04:04:47Paul_The_NerdI'm not sure about the log file thing though
04:10:12joshhmmm, different error each time through
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04:12:54midkay_what induces the error?
04:14:01Paul_The_NerdI wonder if it's the playback error that's plaguing the 4Gs as well?
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04:14:34rockohi..
04:14:42rockoi have a question about rockbox on my ipod photo
04:15:03Paul_The_NerdGo ahead 'n ask
04:15:06joshplaying induces the error
04:15:23joshany MP3
04:15:27rockowhen i plug it in, it doesn't come up like it used to
04:15:39joshneed to throw it into diskmode
04:16:16rockohow?
04:16:20rockoi didn't know i turned it off.
04:16:33joshim not sure on a photo
04:17:08Paul_The_Nerdrocko: What does it do instead?
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04:18:48rockoi don't know
04:18:56rockoit says "Do not disconnect" for about 10 seconds
04:19:05rockothen it has the check mark "Ok to disconnect"
04:19:35Paul_The_NerdAnd this is when you connect it to your computer?
04:19:40rockoyep
04:19:43Paul_The_NerdIt sounds like you have iTunes set to autosync and eject when done.
04:21:03rockoso what do i gotta do
04:21:06rockodelete itunes?
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04:22:36Paul_The_Nerdrocko: Or... just change the settings in it.
04:22:41Paul_The_NerdIt's really up to you.
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04:25:34rockoi don't know how to do it paul :(
04:25:44rockoi'm in the settings and i don't see anything about the ipod like that
04:26:05Paul_The_NerdYou'd actually right-click on your iPod in iTunes and choose properties I think
04:26:11Paul_The_NerdI don't really know much about iTunes, as I don't use it.
04:26:23rockoyeah .. but my ipod doesn't show up in there.
04:26:48Paul_The_NerdHave you rebooted it into the Apple OS and tried connecting there?
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04:28:19joshi guess he thought you wanted him to reboot your computer?
04:28:22josh*his
04:31:20Paul_The_NerdEither way, it's not really a Rockbox issue. All our software does is reboot it to disk mode when the USB is detected, so any not-working he's describing is taking place in the Apple firmware
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04:42:50rotatoranyone care to test a patch? I've fixed a problem with wav playback, but it need some testing: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3381.0
04:43:13rotatoroops, real link: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5602
04:43:31rotatorthis first link is to the forum post describing the problem
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05:44:19bancusHey, is it just me, or does the iAudio X5 not charge at all when it's playing? It seems like the original firmware could.
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06:31:45midkay_bancus, well, depends on how the X5 charges. either way, rockbox seems to draw such power that charging from within has little or no effect.. this is certainly a problem on iPods, where you can barely even maintain a constant battery level while charging and playing music.
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07:04:08ZweiundvierzigMorning
07:14:40dongsmidkay_: lol orly
07:14:56dongsJungti1234: hiii
07:15:10midkay_sigh, not dongs again..
07:15:11Jungti1234hi
07:16:23Zweiundvierzigwhere you can barely even maintain a constant battery level while charging and playing music. < Oh, really?
07:16:31ZweiundvierzigI can charge it just fine while playing music
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07:17:18midkay_Zweiundvierzig, what model? and nearly as fast as you would when in disk mode or apple's OS?
07:17:58Zweiundvierzig4g greyscale, dunno coz I always load at night and then it's charged in the morning
07:18:21midkay_you leave it *playing music* while you charge it overnight in Rockbox?
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07:18:26ZweiundvierzigYeah
07:18:43ZweiundvierzigI like to listen to classical music while falling asleep
07:19:18midkayand it's still playing when you wake?
07:19:24ZweiundvierzigSure
07:20:57midkayinteresting.. well, sometime within the past month, i noticed some devs discussing it.. amiconn i think reported a battery level lower than when charging began an hour before.
07:21:06midkayoh, are you charging via USB or a wall outlet?
07:21:13ZweiundvierzigWall outlet
07:21:25midkaycould make a difference.. *shrugs*
07:21:33ZweiundvierzigI think when playing at full volume it takes about 4 hours to recharge...
07:21:57ZweiundvierzigPerhaps *shrugs too*
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07:24:23ZweiundvierzigMeh... I should try recognizing the names of all those songs sometime...
07:25:01Zweiundvierzig(I've got an OST of an anime, and it's like 99% just classical music with a new name sticked onto it....)
07:25:20dongssounds like.. final craptasy OST
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07:25:25dongsprime candidate for recycle bin
07:25:29ZweiundvierzigNah
07:26:37Zweiundvierzig和田薫 - [Princess Tutu Konzert 1.Akt #05] 「く‹み割り人形」こうぺい糖の踊り (Kurumi Wari Ningyo Kompeitono Odori) < ^^
07:26:52ZweiundvierzigThis one's Dance Of The Sugar Plum Fairy, Tchaikovsky
07:28:05ZweiundvierzigTime for school... see you
07:28:10dongshuuhuhuhu
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07:30:49muesli|delhibanzai dongs
07:30:55dongsHI
07:33:29Jungti1234muesli|delhi: hahaha
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07:34:30muesli|delhiJungti1234 konischuwa ;)
07:34:37Jungti1234no
07:34:46Jungti1234annyoung haseyo
07:35:12muesli|delhihai!
07:35:15Jungti1234−−
07:35:23Jungti1234'nae'
07:35:54Jungti1234koizumi
07:35:58dongs'dongs'
07:36:07dongsmore like ddong, amirite
07:36:10muesli|delhiharakiri
07:36:15Jungti1234ddong is..
07:36:20dongsyou should know
07:36:39Jungti1234It is excrement to Korean meaning.
07:36:42dongsya.
07:36:46dongscorrect.
07:36:49Jungti1234hahaha
07:37:07Jungti1234you know korean?
07:37:14Jungti1234A little?
07:37:20dongsnot rly. but enough to be DANGEROUS.
07:37:30scorchedongs: wow....makes so much sense
07:37:48scorche=)
07:38:01Jungti1234hehe
07:43:43muesli|delhiwhat does *SCNR* means btw?
07:44:23dongssorry could not resistS?
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07:56:45muesli|delhidongs thx ;)
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08:43:02davidc__hey, any of the rockbox devs that work on the ipod around?
08:43:12davidc__preglow / linuxstb ?
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08:45:32linuxstbdavidc__: Yes, I'm around.
08:45:50davidc__linuxstb: I've got a 4 letter word I'd like to share with you:
08:45:51davidc__Jtag!
08:45:55davidc__:D
08:46:12linuxstbI assume you're not just saying the word?
08:46:18davidc__nope, not
08:46:28davidc__I just got an ipod 4G logic board talking
08:46:32davidc__can see both arm cores
08:46:37davidc__a debugger should very well be possible
08:46:40linuxstbNice...
08:47:05davidc__yeah, its a soldering required mod - we'll be posting all details as soon as I get it fully tested
08:47:35linuxstbI haven't even managed to open my ipods...
08:48:04davidc__eh, I bought a bunch of dead iPod logic boards
08:48:13davidc__brouight this one back to life with some power supply bodging
08:48:34davidc__then ran some jtag. Anyhow - I just got the scan chain to scan, and it sees two things that look like arms
08:48:45davidc__I'll let ya know when we have more details
08:52:57Zagordavidc__: that sounds great!
08:53:18davidc__yeah, we're super excited ;)
08:53:41davidc__I thought you guys would want to know as well - I'll post all the details of the mod @ the iPL website as soon as its in a usable form
08:53:55davidc__its JP3 on the 4G's - if you care at all :P
08:54:04Zagor:-) we do
08:54:20davidc__I phrased that wrong - I meant, that piece of info isn't all that useful
08:54:37davidc__too many hours of HW hacking - not enough hours on speaking english
08:54:59davidc__bad news is I don't see a similar connector on any of the other boards pcb shots
08:55:14Zagorah
08:55:27linuxstbAre the boards for the 4g greyscale and Color/Photo the same?
08:55:47linuxstb(I think of them both as 4gs)
08:55:51davidc__nope - the colors have a TV out chip - but I'll look @ the board shots
08:56:04davidc__sorry, I'm used to our own sorta nomenclature for them :P
08:56:11linuxstbSo you're working with the greyscale?
08:56:15davidc__yup
08:56:22davidc__thats the only one I could get logic boards for
08:56:31linuxstbBTW, any progress with the tv-out?
08:56:38davidc__not yet - put that on hold for jtag
08:56:43davidc__I figured a debugger was more important
08:57:01linuxstbYep.
08:58:06davidc__argh - anyone know the arm doc that has the format of the device ID reg? I remember it was 32 bits [which I see], but can't find the bloody doc
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09:11:06dj-fuHAX!
09:11:20dj-fudo I need to donate more money before you guys hurry up and release 3.0?
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09:26:13amiconnBoogz r us :(
09:27:43Zagordj-fu: you can try ;-)
09:29:00Zagoramiconn: ?
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09:35:01leboffdamn album art
09:35:05leboffgot everything converted
09:35:08leboffand it doesnt show up
09:36:28amiconnZagor: The more we check, the more bugs appear
09:36:41leboffanyone have experience with the album art?
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09:37:02amiconnE.g. there's a bug in the stats plugin that causes it to only evaluate the root filesystem on Ondio
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09:38:25midkaynot very surprising.. it's not used that often, much less worked on.. bugs are everywhere. :)
09:38:37dj-fuI heart you guys
09:38:54dj-fuI hope you live forever to make many more rockboxes
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09:44:24amiconnmidkay: I just checked WhyRockbox. Gapless *is* possible on archos, but only with lame -nogap
09:44:53midkayamiconn, right, that's an encoder thing, so any firmware could do it this way, no?
09:45:09leboffwhat am i doing wrong???
09:45:12midkayor maybe i'm a bit mistaken on how -nogap works.
09:45:16amiconnYes, could. The iriver retail firmware doesn't even manage that
09:45:17Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Many firmwares insert an artificial gap between songs though, somewhat arbitrarily.
09:45:58midkayrockbox can avoid that on Archoses? news to me.. :)
09:46:06midkayi'll update the page if amiconn hasn't.
09:46:31leboffoh i know what i'm doin wrong
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09:46:39yeftsilly default nicks
09:46:43midkayah, i guess he is.. you should add like %Y% _(with lame -nogap)_ or something.
09:47:03amiconnmidkay: Problem is that quite a number of firmwares insert artificial gaps. Rockbox on archos does not, and the archos firmware also does not either.
09:47:30midkayamiconn, ah, interesting.. i wasn't thinking of it as inserting additional gaps but simply not managing to avoid them..
09:47:32amiconnIn this sense the 6 year old archos firmware is better than a number of today's retail firmwares...
09:48:04amiconnIt's probably because some newer firmwares only load the next track when the previous track ended.
09:48:26yeftmidkay.. or anyone.. you ever try the album art patch?
09:48:29midkayyeah.. not a good decoding mechanism. :)
09:48:34midkayyeft, nah..
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09:48:49yefti thought i had it down
09:48:56amiconnIn fact, gapless is a necessity on archos. Otherwise it would end up producing gaps *within* tracks - with only 2MB RAM
09:49:04yeftbut it wont show up.. i wonder if i have to do another forced tagcache
09:49:52yeftnight all
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09:54:36markunyeft: I don't think album art needs tagcache
09:55:11yeftme either
09:55:16yeftbut it aint workin either way
09:55:22yeftnight for real now..
09:55:50markundid you store album art in the id3 tag?
09:56:05yeftno
09:56:20markunthe 'tag' cache has nothing to do with it
09:56:30markunthen
09:56:41markunbut ok, good night to you
09:56:44yeftoh well tomorrows another day
09:57:48midkaymarkun, well, we don't even have any code to read art from ID3 tags, so it's irrelevant, tagcache or not. :)
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10:25:32amiconnmidkay: Btw, we could also handle replaygain on archos. It's just not implemented yet
10:25:52midkayreally? i thought it was swcodec-only.. interesting.
10:25:56midkaywell, you could add that.. :)
10:26:07amiconnWell, replaygain is just a fine-grained volume control
10:26:42amiconnThe main volume is only adjustable in 1 dB steps (recorders, Ondios) resp. 1.5dB steps (player),
10:26:55amiconnbut there are ways to fine-adjust volume
10:27:12B4gderhttp://en.europe.eliohome.com/product_m310_01.html << another PP based one
10:27:14midkayi didn't know how it worked, i don't use it.
10:27:49finik-does sscanf works for somebody?
10:27:50amiconnOn recorders & ondios there are even 2 ways to do so: (1) audiocodec mixer volume. (2) using the stereo matrix
10:28:18Paul_The_NerdB4gder: I didn't realize there were so many PP players
10:28:21amiconnOn player, there's only method (2), which also allows for more fine-grained control
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10:30:13merbananB4gder: is there any chance that the PP chips have a hardware decryption mode ?
10:30:35davidc__merbanan: decryption - as in?
10:30:41davidc__merbanan: I'm fairly sure they don't
10:31:09Paul_The_Nerddavidc__: The firmware's almost always (as in, iPods being the exception) in a specific encrypted format.
10:31:10merbananlike when reading a certain memory area it is exored first
10:32:08davidc__Paul_The_Nerd: ipods tend to be encrypted
10:32:19davidc__Paul_The_Nerd: in any case - as far as I know - they only boot from unencrypted flash
10:32:32davidc__Paul_The_Nerd: and in the ipod they did all the decryption in SW
10:33:13Paul_The_Nerddavidc__: Notice I said "iPods being the exception" in reference to a specific encrypted format, not as to whether or not they're encrypted
10:33:43Paul_The_Nerddavidc__: We're talking about the .mi4 encrypted firmware files that many (all?) other PortalPlayer devices seem to use so far.
10:33:54davidc__Paul_The_Nerd: ah - sorry, misread - 1:33 AM here :P. My guess would be thats how the stock Portalplayer firmware does it
10:34:05davidc__apple forked the original PP firmware really early on as far as we know
10:34:22Paul_The_NerdWhich means it *is* possible that the hardware has a decryption capability for these files, though not necessary.
10:34:29davidc__yes, but I'd consider it unlikely
10:34:46crashdthe decryption happens in the bootloader, me and preglow got that far when we were looking at it
10:34:47davidc__They do all decoding + etc in software, so why bother to do something like file decryption in HW?
10:34:52crashdwell, i say me and preglow, mainly preglow ;)
10:34:54Paul_The_NerdEither way, B4gder is forming quite a collection of them
10:34:56davidc__I bet if you dump the flash you'll find a decoding routine ;)
10:35:19crashdbut you can, mainly, just RE the bootloader for the pp players
10:35:26davidc__yup
10:35:30davidc__its just nice simple arm
10:35:56linuxstbdavidc__: One reason could be that a hardware decryption routine may be more secure. But I agree with you that I think it's unlikely. Although there might be hardware support needed for WMA DRM.
10:36:34merbananthat's the reason I was asking
10:36:37davidc__linuxstb: hrm.... I would still lean against any of that in HW - their HW design seems pretty vanilla
10:36:40Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I think the hardware support needed for WMA DRM is just in transferring (MTP) isn't it? Becaue the H300s did it in the USA, right?
10:36:53davidc__just arm cores + standard peripherals
10:37:09davidc__but we'll know when someone RE's their bootloader
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10:38:40merbanancrashd: what bootloader did you look at ?
10:38:54crashdbl_h10.rom, the bootloader for the iriver h10
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10:39:18B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
10:39:27B4gder8 mi4 files
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10:44:27finik-guys, does rockbox sscanf works for anybody?
10:44:47B4gderfinik-: only if you actually include it in your build
10:45:06B4gderiirc, its only used by the ifp799 build
10:45:35finik-hmm, what does that mean? how is it compiles then
10:45:43B4gdersee SOURCES
10:46:44finik-:) I mean how does it link then, if I call it and it doesn't fail
10:47:12B4gderI don't understand
10:48:02linuxstbfinik-: Are you testing in the sim?
10:48:14finik-I call sscanf from my plugin, link is ok, therefore the linker finds something, however the sscanf doesn't seem to parse my string
10:48:16finik-yes, SIM
10:48:26linuxstbThen it will probably link with the system sscanf.
10:48:46linuxstbYou should be using rb->sscanf
10:48:53merbananB4gder: have you started collecting bootloaders also ?
10:49:07B4gderyes, although I don't have as many of those
10:49:20midkayB4gder, btw, i wanted to suggest changing "Why Choose Rockbox?" on the front page to something like "Why use Rockbox?".. 'choose' implies there are other options; we're one of a kind. ;)
10:49:23B4gderI'll put them up too...
10:49:41linuxstbmidkay: The other option is the manufacturer's firmware...
10:50:17davidc__midkay: *cough* ahem
10:50:23midkay... and choose also implies, well, definitive choice - most models can dual-boot, and most users take advantage of that.
10:50:25Paul_The_NerdSome people have noted that "Why choose Rockbox" makes it sound too much like an advertisement, and not so much like an actual resource.
10:50:31midkayyeah..
10:50:33linuxstb(and of course IPL for ipod users...)
10:50:59midkaywhy use it is like.. well, you can have it, but why should you use it instead of the default firmware.. choose is like.. why should you buy this instead of that.. more definitive.. *shrugs* :)
10:51:00finik-linuxstb: scanf is not on the rb API
10:51:02Paul_The_NerdMaybe something simple like "Rockbox Features"
10:51:03midkay'use' sounds better to me.
10:51:11linuxstbfinik-: No - you will need to add it.
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10:51:39midkayhm, what about "What is Rockbox?"..
10:52:03midkaythat is after all rather more what the article's about.. features and descriptions.
10:52:21linuxstbmidkay: Sounds good to me.
10:52:53finik-linuxstb: is the one from firmware/common/sscanf.c ok?
10:54:06linuxstbI've never used it, but I would hope it's OK if it's in CVS. But as Bagder said, you need to edit firmware/SOURCES to compile that file for all targets - at the moment it's only compiled for the iFP7xx GDB stub.
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10:55:32finik-linuxstb: thanks, I'll
10:57:55finik-linuxstb: by the way, my "rockmaps" (google maps viewer) is almost ready, arrows, zoom-in and out given a lat/long (had to implement real sin/log/atan/.. myself), so now I'm just working on reading the coordinates from file
10:59:51finik-it seems though I have to stop audio and use audio buffer for tile cache
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11:00:29B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/bl.html
11:00:37B4gderBL* files
11:06:47davidc__linuxstb: holy shit man, I'm actually debugging it!!!!
11:06:52davidc__linuxstb: I can view the regs + the pc
11:06:56davidc__linuxstb: it actually makes sense
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11:09:34merbananB4gder: BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom is loaded at 0x10600000
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11:32:09linuxstbdavidc__: Very nice... Are you debugging retailos?
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11:37:37davidc__linuxstb: its still rather.. flaky
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11:37:53davidc__linuxstb: reset control doesn't work - and sometimes this board refuses to power up right - the board is really hacked together
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11:42:51merbananB4gder: the other bootloaders are loaded at 0x0
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11:44:54Jungti1234hahahaha
11:44:56Jungti1234http://imgnews.naver.com/image/143/2006/06/27/20060627msw1.jpg
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11:46:06tongashi all, what does happen to Rockbox ?! there is no CVS activity since 23june ?!
11:46:34Paul_The_Nerdtongas: So?
11:46:41Jungti1234:)
11:47:03Paul_The_Nerdtongas: There won't always be things to commit, it happens.
11:47:48tongasrelease in about ?...
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11:49:18Paul_The_NerdWhen it's done
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11:59:32RickJungti1234: I don't get it
11:59:47Jungti1234why?
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12:00:02Jungti1234:)
12:00:11Rickwell
12:00:12Jungti1234not important image.
12:00:13Ricki don't see why it's funny
12:00:56Jungti1234are you interesting soccer?
12:01:02Rickno
12:01:09Jungti1234:)
12:01:23Jungti1234Then, you arent may understand.
12:01:31Rickhehe ok
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12:06:20Jungti1234__Switzerland did much hand touch infringement of rules in 2006 World Cup.
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12:07:16Papricalol
12:07:18Papricahttp://www.engadget.com/2006/06/18/usb-teddy-bear-holds-data-scares-children/
12:07:30Papricai want one of this
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12:11:58Jungti1234__Paprica: hahahaha
12:12:31Papricai'm searching for place to buy one
12:12:40Papricabut dont find =\
12:12:46Jungti1234__hehe
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12:12:55Jungti1234__I want too
12:12:59scorchePaprica: "No word on how much it holds or if there are any plans to make these available for purchase"
12:13:07antil33thelle
12:13:19antil33tfinally got the beast fixed
12:13:36Papricaoh... i didnt read the article :)
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12:26:37preglowooh, great, a patch for the wav bug
12:26:42preglowi'll try to check it out and commit it
12:26:47preglowtonight or something
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13:13:02scorcheugh....cant sleep
13:13:08Jungti1234why
13:13:18*scorche shrugs
13:13:34Jungti1234heh?
13:15:54scorchecould be too hot for me to fall asleep...
13:16:07scorchebut then again, i never sleep anyway >_>
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13:35:40amiconnpreglow: wav bug?
13:37:43preglowamiconn: wav files don't play if the fmt chunk isn't at the very start of the file
13:37:51preglowamiconn: both the metadata parser and wav.c itself has the bug
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13:38:07preglowi found it some time ago when someone complained files written by protools don't work
13:38:15preglowand now rotator has fixed it, it seems
13:38:38amiconnHmm, I thought this was fixed some time ago?!
13:38:50preglowwell, i found about a month, month and a half ago
13:38:54preglowfound it
13:38:58preglowand no one has fixed it since then that i can see
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14:20:53ZweiundvierzigHm, strange
14:20:59ZweiundvierzigMy iPod's frozen again
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14:50:09Rob2222Who is familiar with the playback code? At least the H300 has a very annoying bug when you press BACK just 500ms before songend.
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14:52:04Rob2222Then hey doesnt do BACK, the WPS freezes and he plays the next song.
14:54:27Mikachuyes, that is a known bug
14:55:28Rob2222is not possible to fix atm?
14:55:54Rob2222i get this 2-3 times per day, yesterday i had to reset the unit to come out
14:56:26MikachuDon't Do That Then :)
14:56:50Rob2222What should i do when i want to hear that song again ...
14:56:54Rob2222thats funny ...
14:56:58Rob2222dont do it
14:57:01Mikachupress sooner or later
14:57:09Mikachuor set repeat to same song
14:58:05preglowi love the fact that the iRofl notation has become so widespread that people have started writing IMDCT as iMDCT
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14:58:18ZweiundvierzigHeh
14:58:19Rob2222lol
14:58:21preglowpeople need to be kicked more often
14:58:28ZweiundvierzigYeah
14:58:32Rob2222iRiver
14:58:37ZweiundvierzigiMer
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14:59:43ZweiundvierzigDamn... The rain's not stopping (in fact it's getting worse) and I have to go to my guitar lesson in 15 minutes
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15:00:10ZweiundvierzigThis is going to be Great Fun (tm)
15:00:21Rob2222Just tke the boat.
15:00:24Rob2222take
15:00:43ZweiundvierzigThere's no river near the house where I take the lesson
15:01:20Rob2222:
15:01:22Rob2222.
15:01:23Rob2222hmm
15:02:14ZweiundvierzigLightning <_<
15:02:27Zweiundvierzignp: Metallica - [Ride The Lightning #02] Ride The Lightning
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15:04:54myth1hi guys
15:05:27myth1i have a question concerning the ring buffer and data loading
15:06:42myth1if I do ci->request_buffer(&n, length) and the returned n is not equal to length, does this imply I'm at the end of the ring buffer?
15:08:19myth1I'm trying to directly play the samples for mod/xm playback out of the ring-buffer but lack some basic understandings of the ring buffer implementation :(
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15:16:09preglowhmm
15:16:54preglowi don't think so
15:17:02preglowi think that means you're at the end of your file
15:17:28preglowbut i am by no means certain
15:21:41preglowthere's a guard buffer at the end of buffer that ensures you always get complete chunks
15:21:49preglowbut that won't be enough for samples, which can be quite big
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15:22:03*preglow wants a way for the codec itself to do the file loading :/
15:23:38myth1My previous understanding was that I'm at the end of the ring buffer
15:23:56myth1obviously the nature of the ring buffer must have a physical end
15:24:02preglowsure
15:24:11preglowbut you're not supposed to worry about it
15:24:14preglowthanks to the guard buffer
15:24:23myth1what is the guard buffer?
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15:26:13preglowi think it just some spare space at the end of the ring buffer, where data from the start of the buffer gets copied to if you request a frame that goes past the end of the ring buffer
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15:26:22preglowso that codecs don't have to handle partial frames internally
15:26:38myth1ok, that makes sense. but its only temporarily
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15:27:36myth1so what is the best way to get pointers to MOD-samples directly from the framebuffer?
15:27:52linuxstb_myth1: My understanding is that request_buffer() is only guaranteed to return up to GUARD_BUFFER_SIZE (32KB) of data. So if it returns less, you are either at the wraparound point, or the end of the file.
15:29:30preglowthe file buffering layer really isn't made for this kind of thing
15:29:31myth1the wraparound point would be no problem, because I could save the wrapped sample in memory, but still play the other samples from the ring buffer
15:29:44preglownon-streamed formats shouldn't be allowed to wrap anyway
15:30:12myth1preglow: Well thats definately #1 on my wish list ;) but for now I'm searching for alternatives
15:30:47myth1can I even be sure that my samples are completely in memory? Or is there a chance that the ring-buffer gets filled again and overwrites my samples?
15:31:36linuxstb_No, the ring buffer will only be emptied if you do a read(), or advance_buffer(). So thinking about it, I don't think you can access any data after the wraparound without reading past the wraparound...
15:32:01linuxstb_As preglow said, the codec buffering isn't suited to non-streaming formats....
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15:32:15myth1And if I read past the wraparound then my previous samples would be killed, is that right?
15:32:20linuxstb_Yes.
15:32:40myth1mpf :((
15:32:40preglowmyth1: you can't be sure of anything
15:32:47preglowmyth1: you can't even be sure the file is read completely
15:32:55linuxstb_True.
15:33:01preglowfor everything you know, onyl the first 5% might be read
15:33:14linuxstb_But the rest should be read if the codec requests it?
15:33:25preglowoh?
15:33:51linuxstb_I'm guessing - but would have hoped that a request_buffer() that goes beyond the currently buffered data would cause the remaining data to be read from disk.
15:33:57myth1is there a chance we could get support for non-streamed formats any soon?
15:34:04linuxstb_(assuming there is free space).
15:34:07preglownot unless someone works on it
15:34:20preglowmyth1: and in that apartment, you seem to be it :)
15:34:44myth1oh no :(
15:34:49preglowi'd love to support them as well
15:34:59preglowbut i've got a ton of other stuff i need to do first
15:35:06myth1I guess the io part is pretty heavy
15:35:30myth1any hint where to start? What file, what function?
15:35:39Jungti1234bye bye
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15:36:08myth1Guess its the request_buffer function though
15:36:52preglowplayback.c, i'd guess
15:37:02myth1ok guys, I'll dig into it. Thanks for the support.
15:37:03preglowit's a really big and complex file...
15:37:05preglowbut yeah
15:37:21myth1see you later
15:37:24preglowsure, have fun
15:37:25preglowheh
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15:52:46rsff-webguestHello Guys. I'm just wondering if there is a Announce email list.
15:53:27rsff-webguestI don't wanto to be in the big user list, because I won't be able to read all the emails anyway. However, I'd like to be updated on new releases.
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16:22:45ceaserHey, quick and probably stupid question - is there a way to turn off the peak meters on the playback window? I couldn't find an option to do it, and I think its hoarding too much CPU - it skips when displaying the playback window, but not when displaying the menu
16:22:57Mikachuuse another theme/wps
16:23:09ceaseroh oh didn't realize thats part of the theme
16:23:20ceaserthanks
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18:38:21Genre9mp3Bagder or anyone with wiki access around?
18:39:39Genre9mp3I'm a bit in a hurry so I just want to report that the link added in the DocsIndex by someone "KillerWolfe" is very strange
18:40:38Genre9mp3I followed that link and I got a page with a Rockbox background..
18:40:56Genre9mp3Right after that, my settings on Firefox are corrupted
18:41:10Genre9mp3I may be wrong, but please investigate
18:45:26Genre9mp3gtg
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19:05:48ryranfyi re genre9mp3's comments on the wiki: don't see anything strange about the page
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19:10:59freqmodDo you prefer 108kb bzip2 compressed, or 691kb uncompressed patches in the tracker?
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19:15:51Mikachuhow did you make a 691kb patch?
19:16:25freqmodit includes the whole speex decoding library and libogg
19:18:12goffawhat's tha patch do?
19:18:42freqmodimplements speex decoding
19:18:48goffacool
19:19:51freqmodnot really stable though, but works on ipod Video for files upto 16kHz), have been discussed on (here) irc before.
19:19:51preglowfreqmod: just zip it however
19:19:55freqmodok
19:20:15preglowif you can patch a build, you can also use common compression formats
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19:20:35preglowfreqmod: not stable as in how?
19:21:32freqmoddo you thinks i need any more details ( http://pastebin.ca/73260 )?
19:22:14freqmodmay give noise after lots of tracks, and all the other things listed in details
19:22:46freqmodbut rockbox has not gived data abort, and i have used it for an extended period of time w/o deadlocks
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19:26:43*freqmod has added the patch to the tracker ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5607 )
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19:29:55preglowfreqmod: great work
19:30:24preglowi'll have a look at it after the freeze if no one beats me to it
19:30:49freqmodit seems to skip 10 seconds after 5 seconds :(
19:31:08preglowhow?
19:31:31freqmodI don't know why
19:31:56preglowyes, but i don't get exactly what you mean
19:32:04preglowit plays for 5 seconds, then skips 10 seconds?
19:32:35freqmodyes well it plays to 12 secounds then it skips to 35 secound and then back to 25 secounds
19:32:43preglowhaha
19:32:43preglowouch
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19:33:00preglowso you can't play a track straight through without it jumping all over the place?
19:33:27freqmodno, then it works correctly afterwards
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19:36:06ceaserHey, out of curiosity, what mp3 decoder does rockbox use - is it a custom one, or another OSS one?
19:37:39charkinsceaser: looks like mad: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/libmad/
19:37:58ceaseroh word
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19:38:21ceaseri was going to say, it sounded better than mpg123 and whatnot
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19:43:47preglowi don't think you should be able to hear much of a difference
19:43:49preglowbut if you say so :>
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19:45:31merbananpreglow: did you look at the sensa bootloader ?
19:45:49preglowi don't even have a sansa
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19:48:50merbananI mean for finding how to decrypt the mi4 firmware files
19:49:22preglowno, i haven't dealt with that at all
19:49:38freqmodFound it: http://pastebin.ca/73282 (CgRan: current granule) Cgran: page granule on new page GMD: get more data, but why read two times, i'll check if it looks inside the pages.
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19:50:27merbananpreglow: ok
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19:55:18freqmodseem to be some sort of page fault (can't read the page)
19:55:22freqmod(ogg page)
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20:07:51noobiewithquestihi all.. i'm a noobie to rockbox and I have a question
20:08:56noobiewithquestii just received an old i riverH340 which can play video, very badly
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20:10:12noobiewithquestiso i'm thinking of scrapping it for rockbox
20:11:39noobiewithquestiIs there any plan for video support for H340?
20:12:28PaulJam_afaik noone is working on video support, but rockbox is dual boot, so you can always boot into the original firmware to watch videos
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20:12:52noobiewithquesticool..thanks PaulJam.
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20:47:41{EDF}SSgood to hear a new one's being worked on....but I have a problem with the current build:
20:47:54{EDF}SSusing an ipod nano (2gb), it frequently loses its settings
20:48:15{EDF}SSlike for example if I tell it not to fade in/out, change the colors, tell it to resume on startup etc
20:48:25Mikachuhow do you turn it off?
20:48:28{EDF}SSit'll maybe work a few times, but then reset itself for no apparent reason
20:48:32{EDF}SSI hold down play/pause
20:48:45Mikachuare all settings reset or only the ones you changed?
20:48:55{EDF}SSthey seem to reset to defaults
20:49:27Mikachuthat will happen if you boot with the hold button on
20:49:29Mikachuit's a feature
20:49:45{EDF}SSthe hold button? you mean the lock?
20:49:55Mikachui mean the hold button
20:50:00Mikachuthe button clearly labeled HOLD
20:50:05scorchehold switch
20:50:13{EDF}SSyeah it's not a button dude
20:50:26{EDF}SSbut thanks for the info
20:50:59{EDF}SSI don't suppose there's any way to disable that?
20:51:22Mikachu"any way" is a bit broad
20:51:26Mikachuthere is no option to turn it off
20:51:53{EDF}SSheh any way aside from editing the code myself?
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20:55:05Mikachuno
20:55:19Mikachubut it's very simple, just one line to comment
20:55:28Mikachubut then you won't be able to reset the settings from the device
20:55:32{EDF}SSwhich file, please?
20:55:41Mikachuif you mess up font colors or etc
20:55:54Mikachuyou'd have to connect to a computer and clear block 61 or 63, can never remember
20:56:21{EDF}SSI'm not worried about needing to reset settings, heh
20:56:22Mikachumain.c
20:56:32Mikachusearch for "if (button_hold"
20:56:32{EDF}SSthank you!
20:56:43Mikachuthere should be a settings_reset() 4 lines below
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20:57:10Mikachuyou can just comment out settings_reset i guess
20:57:15{EDF}SSoh shoot, I guess I'd need a compiler installed, heh
20:57:18Mikachuyes
20:58:11Mikachui can send my build if you want, it won't reset when hold is on if the headphone cable is in
20:58:17Mikachubut it also has some other changes
20:59:25Mikachuhttp://mikachu.ath.cx/rockbox-mikachu-nowarranty.zip
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21:00:11Hansmaulwurfhow does rockbox know a cable is pluged in?
21:00:48Mikachusee the 'pause on headphone unplug' patch
21:01:07Hansmaulwurfah, a patch
21:01:28*Hansmaulwurf has the feeling his unpatched build is really out of date
21:01:41Mikachuhow does a patch explain it more than me saying i'd changed things?
21:02:04{EDF}SSHansmaulwurf there's some detection built in them to see if headphones are in
21:02:33{EDF}SSMikachu what other changes are in your build? anything major?
21:03:01HansmaulwurfMikachu: I was wondering that rockbox can detect the cable, didnt see anything in the settings
21:03:35Mikachu{EDF}SS: i guess the thing that would annoy you is i changed the wheel sensitivity from 4 to 10
21:03:40Mikachuie less sensitive
21:04:10{EDF}SSMikachu I think I'd like that too heh
21:05:52{EDF}SSMikachu do you update your own build often? when is this one from?
21:07:39midkayon-topic - the iPodExperimental builds on the wiki. Shouldn't this be removed?
21:07:55midkaythat makes it sound like we support these experimental builds, when they have a home right on our site..
21:08:32Hansmaulwurfmidkay: you should at least delete the "when you have a problem talk to the devs"
21:08:46Hansmaulwurfcoz that really sounds like it is something official
21:08:49midkaymost certainly.. there's a line on there saying that? *Goes to check*
21:09:32Hansmaulwurf"...iif you DO have any problems please let the developers know."
21:09:34midkaywe should talk to whoever's doing this, I think. if he wants to do his own builds, alright.. but on our site, and direct questions about these unsupported patches to us...
21:12:28Mikachu{EDF}SS: that zip file is special for you
21:12:46Mikachu{EDF}SS: it's against current cvs
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21:49:06*freqmod has fixed the skipping problem in speex interface, adding a patch as a comment in the tracker.
21:49:31{EDF}SSMikachu thanks a lot, I'll give it a shot
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21:50:16freqmodforgot 2 printfs, that must be removed to make the patch work
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22:00:28{edf}ssMikachu you around?
22:00:36Mikachuyes
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22:00:52{edf}ssI put your build on, and when it loads it says no files and then...
22:01:03{edf}ssdata abort at (address)
22:01:22Mikachudid you rename your old .rockbox dir first?
22:01:38{edf}ssno, I didn't know I was supposed to, heh
22:01:44{edf}ssto what?
22:01:49Mikachusomething else
22:02:28Mikachui also have a 2gb nano, so it should work fine
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22:03:06{edf}ssI just overwrote the directory with yours, so some of the extra files are causing problems, you think?
22:03:36Mikachuit's my only theory
22:03:52{edf}sstrying yours from scratch.
22:04:34{edf}sssame prob
22:04:37{edf}ssI dunno why
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22:05:01Mikachutry resetting your settings by having hold on when you boot :)
22:05:07Mikachu(make sure the headphone cable isn't in)
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22:05:20Mikachuafter that i give up
22:05:35{edf}ssyeah that worked.
22:06:27{edf}sswhat do you use to turn it off? hold down play/pause?
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22:06:41Mikachuplay+select
22:06:45Mikachuor select shut down in the menu
22:06:57{edf}ssthanks!
22:07:00Mikachuthe reboot to apple option won't work without a patched bootloader
22:07:15{edf}ssI like yours better already, and I'm off to the post office now, talk to you guys later
22:07:20Mikachuheh, bye
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22:15:06SDP:(
22:15:14SDPanyone around?
22:16:15SDPi need a little help
22:16:15midkayif you have a question, ask..
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22:16:30SDPI had a theme loaded from the rockbox site
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22:16:52SDPi had changed the font color and background color
22:17:15SDPbut then it messed with the theme so i went to the reset backgound colors
22:17:23SDPi think its called that
22:17:28SDPand now my screen is back
22:17:33midkayjust reload the theme, so long as it defines the right colors..
22:17:44SDPi cant see anything tho
22:17:59SDPi cant see where i am in the menu
22:18:21midkayyou set the foreground and background exactly the same? how?
22:18:30SDPi didnt
22:18:36SDPi had white font then black bg
22:18:43EbErTwhat colors are they now?
22:18:55SDPi guess black on black
22:19:01SDPthe screen is total black
22:19:08midkayhow did it get black-on-black, i mean?
22:19:10EbErTtry reset
22:19:25SDPif i magically get to play a song then i could see black font
22:19:33SDPi tried reseting
22:19:38drippydonutturn off the player and hold down "record" as the boot loads
22:19:42drippydonutthat will reset the settings
22:19:50SDPrecord?
22:19:56midkayit's an ipod.
22:19:58SDPim on 5G ipod
22:19:58drippydonutsorry, I'm in H3xx mode
22:20:05midkayboot up with the hold switch on..
22:21:04SDPbrings me to the apple firmware
22:22:01SDPany other ideas?
22:22:10midkayhuh? no it doesn't..
22:22:13midkayonly press menu, don't hold it..
22:23:45SDPsweet
22:23:49SDPit came back
22:23:59SDPso now all my previous setting are gone?
22:25:55SDPand before you disconnect the ipod does it need to be stopped?
22:26:04SDPor can i just unplugg it?
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22:33:04bam_morning
22:33:42bam_just curious anyone considered implementing the one button push−−add to favorites access?
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22:43:22bam_anyone know if tagcache is working properly on the h120's?
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22:50:28EbErTtagcache is a major pain for me
22:50:46EbErThope someone is working on having it skip tags it can't handle
22:51:00*EbErT crosses fingers
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22:53:50{edf}ssMikachu still around?
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22:55:11lostlogicthink I should de-rockbox my ipod before I take it in for warranty repair of a defective headphone jack?
22:55:25{EDF}SShaha yes
22:55:36{EDF}SSit's not hard to put rockbox back on, after all
22:56:27lostlogicbagh, but the 40 gigs of music... I should probably back that up too...
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22:56:49lostlogicstupid headphone jack.
22:58:09{EDF}SSyou don't have to delete your music to put your ipod back to using normal firmware, do you?
22:58:46lostlogicno, but I spect they will replace it, nto repair it
22:58:53lostlogicand it's only 30, not 40g
22:59:13{EDF}SSheh well then you need to backup anyway, so stop whining and do it :P
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23:06:10lostlogichaha, ok, so it's not tha tsimple, I have a copy of all of the music on another computer, but I used foobar2000 to fix some tags on the version of that's on the ipod, so I hafta get them synched up between the two. I'm retarded, and lazy. *makes his backup and shuts up*
23:06:40{EDF}SSgood luck with that
23:06:52{EDF}SSanyone know a good normalizing program that doesn't fuck up the songs?
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23:12:14goffaso... we in the middle of a soccer freeze along with the feature freeze?
23:12:31*goffa just notices a lack of updates in the past couple of days
23:12:41Bagderanother mi4 and BL added
23:13:11goffaor is it about time to call cvs 3.0 :)
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23:21:28Mikachu{EDF}SS: oh yeah tagcache is not in that build at all
23:21:34Mikachu{EDF}SS: it will probably throw up if you try to use it
23:22:00{EDF}SSah hi Mikachu
23:22:11stripwaxBagder - hmm..?
23:22:16{EDF}SSI don't use tagcache - but howcome you removed the volume functionality while a tune is playing?
23:22:34Bagderstripwax: here => http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
23:23:03Mikachu{EDF}SS: i moved it to the quickscreen
23:23:17{EDF}SSwhat is the quickscreen? when you press menu?
23:23:32stripwaxBagder - neat, thx
23:23:32Mikachuhold down select for a second or two
23:24:49{EDF}SSty Mikachu
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23:28:09Bagderevening LinusN
23:28:22{EDF}SSwhere do you change the settings for the volume/battery display to numerical instead of graphical?
23:29:33LinusNBagder: evening
23:29:46markunBagder: do you have a tool to xor 2 files?
23:30:12Bagdermarkun: perl! ;-P
23:30:38markunToo bad I don't know any perl
23:30:44LinusNC?
23:31:39markunsure
23:31:52markunIt would not be difficult to make such a program, but I'm lazy :)
23:31:58hardeepthat reminds me, would anyone mind if i re-add songdb.pl to the source tree? i've updated it to work with tagcache
23:32:11Bagderhardeep: that'd be cool!
23:32:25markunhardeep: for which file formats?
23:32:34hardeepmarkun: ogg and mp3, like before
23:32:59hardeepi was going to see if parsers are available for the other codecs as well
23:33:11freqmodhardeep: why don't use something like taglib, which parses a lot of codec metadata?
23:33:23hardeepfreqmod: is it available for perl?
23:33:33freqmodhttp://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html#bindings
23:33:57hardeepah, cool, will definitely check that out
23:34:17freqmodand then we'll get support for speex with my patch ;)
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23:36:11freqmodhardeep: it supports ape tags too
23:38:13{EDF}SSDoes anyone know where do you change the settings for the volume/battery display to numerical instead of graphical?
23:38:40stripwaxBagder - one more for your collection? http://pinkupload.ath.cx/upload/files/APOD%20Firmware%20neu(1.5.5).zip
23:38:40*freqmod checks
23:39:21markunstripwax: Aldi Pod?
23:39:29Bagderthanks
23:39:32{EDF}SSnm found it, thanks anyway
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23:39:44freqmodmain settings->display->status scrollbar->volumdisplay/battery display
23:40:00stripwaxmarkun yes
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23:43:22rotatorpreglow: I saw your comments in the log, have you had a chance to look at my wav patch yet?
23:44:44LinusNlooked ok to me
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23:45:50rotatorLinusN: referring to me?
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23:47:06LinusNrotator: yup
23:47:45rotatorLinusN: ok, good :)
23:48:04rotatordoes it look like a patch that would be good to get committed?
23:48:14LinusNgets my vote
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23:49:16rotatorok, I'll see what preglow says too since he said he was going to look at it and he originally spotted the problem
23:50:10EbErTanyone know a way to have music files shown on normal apple firmware and rockbox?
23:50:15EbErTwhen either is loaded?
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23:50:47LinusNEbErT: load the tunes with itunes, and use the rockbox tag cachee
23:51:29rotatorEbErT: take a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav
23:51:35EbErTand tag cache will find them?
23:51:44LinusNyes
23:51:47EbErTwell, i have a problem with tagcache
23:52:00EbErTits not stable enough, doesn't dodge the files it can't handle
23:52:15EbErTand i can't find all the ones that are messed up/ corrupt
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23:53:21LinusNEbErT: so we'll have to fix that bug then
23:53:32EbErTi thought someone was working on coding it to give out a text doc telling what ones it couldn't handle
23:53:55EbErTwell, its not really a bug, I SHOULD have all correct tags LinusN
23:54:18Mikachuit shouldn't crash with incorrect input
23:54:38EbErTbut there are many ways that they could've messed up. some I downloaded from streaming radio weren't tagged correctly by the downloader
23:54:46EbErTit does, freezes part way through
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23:55:17LinusNwe need one of those files for analysis
23:55:47EbErTso it won't just freeze when it comes to one it can't handle, as it is?
23:56:37EbErTjust some way for it to look through them and skip ones it doesn't like would be good
23:56:40EbErTbefore cacheing
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23:57:02preglowrotator: briefly
23:57:07preglowrotator: but i haven't been able to try it
23:57:10preglowrotator: looks good, though
23:57:12EbErTLinusN: those are on my other HD, can't get them right now
23:58:41LinusNEbErT: ok

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