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#rockbox log for 2006-06-28

00:04:13 Quit pewpewlasergunz ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )")
00:06:21EbErTLinusN: i'll find one of the song files for you, brb
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00:06:47EbErTdangit
00:12:22Bagderinternational phone calls have gone dirt cheap lately
00:12:55EbErTregular calls?
00:13:02Bagderyeah
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00:17:14preglowrotator: i think you can just commit it, really
00:17:42rotatorpreglow: ok, i will then :)
00:20:52Bagderyay
00:20:57Bagdercommit!
00:21:33rotator:D The first one in several days!
00:21:46Bagderindeed
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00:37:56rotatoruh oh! problem with the build servers, it looks like
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00:38:23oboyeah, debian unstable tries to uninstall libsdl1.2-dev at the moment
00:39:24rotatorhmm, "configure didn't find sdl-config, which indicates that you don't have SDL (properly) installed"
00:39:39Bagderthat's Chisti's server
00:39:42BagderI'll mail her
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00:41:01Bagderdisabled sdl on her server for now
00:41:35rotatornow can someone please close my tracker entry? :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5602
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00:42:11Bagdernow you can do it yourself ;-)
00:42:24rotatorweee, thanks!
00:42:27peturyihaaa
00:43:05petur4 days between 2 commits...
00:43:50rotatoryeah, the feature freeze seems to have become a developer freeze :/
00:49:50rotator...or maybe it's just the world cup to blame :p
00:50:29peturin my case the world cup is not to blame, just life in general :/
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00:51:36user01how do i know if my ipod is formatted for w32?
00:51:39preglowpretty much the case with me too
00:52:08preglowbut now i've gotta sleep
00:52:08preglowlater
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00:53:12user01i just took it out of the box i got it just to try to put rockbox on it :D
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01:02:51apo`DIEuser01: Uh... if windows can read it, it should be :P
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01:03:25apo`DIEAnd when you open the drive's properties it should say filesystem: FAT32
01:03:42apo`DIE< Back to his presentation about digital image editing ~_~
01:05:58user01apo`DIE: windows is asking me to format it...is that safe to do?
01:06:13apo`DIEUm...
01:06:15apo`DIEDunno
01:06:19apo`DIEread the friendly manual?
01:06:20apo`DIE^^;
01:06:31Mikachuuser01: start the ipod, and go to About, it should say mac or windows there
01:08:20apo`DIEMan... I dunno what to write anymore ~_~
01:08:24user01Mikachu: nope it doesnt
01:08:39user01its a 4g grayscale
01:09:15apo`DIESettings -> About -> Scroll down
01:09:43user01apo`DIE: i did the last entry is model number
01:09:49apo`DIEOo
01:10:16apo`DIEThen just plug it in and run the iPod updater
01:14:34user01ah off the apple site ?
01:14:56user01apo`DIE: was hoping to just install rock box out of the box
01:15:18apo`DIEDon't you have a CD that came with it?
01:15:21user01yep
01:15:26apo`DIEThen just run it :P
01:15:54user01ah ok i thought it would install itunes cr**
01:16:15apo`DIEHm
01:16:25apo`DIEDoes anybody here happen to know when the first graphic tablet was invented?
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01:17:00falsohello.
01:17:24falsoanyone knows if there is any way to make tagcache read flac tags
01:17:34user01depends what you mean by graphic but i think cave people had slate tablets...least my grandfather did
01:17:51midkayapo`DIE, wikipedia is pretty useful for these things: The first graphics tablet resembling contemporary tablets was the RAND Tablet, also known as the Grafacon (for Graphic Converter), introduced in 1964.
01:18:09apo`DIEmidkay: Already found it
01:18:21apo`DIEI was searching in the German article, and that doesn't have it
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01:18:22apo`DIE^^;
01:18:26midkay:)
01:20:01user01it doesnt matter who first made it anyway, its who first made money off of it...bill gates will tell you that :)
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01:20:41falsoanyone?
01:20:46user01man ipod install makes you reboot... brb :P
01:22:01midkayfalso, no, tagcache just doesn't.
01:22:14midkayuser01, why not just say 'don't reboot'?
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01:24:00falsomidkay, any idea why?
01:24:07falsocause rockbox can read flac tags
01:24:17midkaywait, 'flac tags'?
01:24:34midkaylike id3 tags in flac files? tagcache should recognize FLAC files..
01:25:01falsobut it doesnt
01:25:24midkayit did for me, when i had FLAC files.
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01:28:01linuxstb_falso: All my files are FLAC, and tagcache has no problems...
01:28:19falsostrange
01:29:14linuxstb_Does Rockbox display the tags when you play the files from the file browser?
01:29:21falsoyes
01:29:25falsothats why i find it strange
01:29:59linuxstb_So what's the problem? None of your flac files show in tagcache, or they show as "unknown" ?
01:30:11falsothey dont show up there
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01:46:13apo`DIEWhew
01:46:14apo`DIEFinished
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02:18:43user01how do i exit the text editor?
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02:30:45user01does firewire work in rockbox to transfer?
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04:02:27Rob2222Will a iPod HD work in a iRiver? Does anybody know?
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04:03:47thomasanybody know why this hasn't been developed for Creative Zen players? Lack of interest, or is it hardware related?
04:04:19Mikachuporting to a new player isn't easy
04:04:46scorcheRob2222: i dont see why it wouldnt work
04:05:02thomasyeah i'm just wondering because the creative zens are much more popular than some of the players already supported.
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04:05:51scorchethomas: it isnt about being the most popular...it is more of a matter of if certain people who are motivated enough and skilled enough come forward
04:06:14thomasbah not me.
04:06:16scorcheand if they dont have the player/dont want to port it..
04:06:20thomaszens miss out on all the fun.
04:06:48Rob2222scorche Cause Apple hase some hidden partitions on it.
04:07:27scorcheRob2222: and you cant low-level the drive and re-partition it?
04:08:15Rob2222atm i have a MK6006 drive here with a very strange behaviour. and i dont know if its from an apple.
04:08:19Mikachuyou haven't been able to low-level format a drive in the last 20 years
04:08:27Rob2222i cant partition it with PM or windows partition.
04:08:27Mikachubut you should be able to repartition it just fine
04:08:47Rob2222HD-tune disc surface test got _no_ errors
04:08:48scorchethomas: this is as far as creative has gone http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3320.0
04:08:56thomasthanks scorche
04:09:32Rob2222windlg (western digital) refuses to write 00s on the disc
04:09:44Rob2222i have no idea what to do atm
04:11:16Rob2222is there a good low level format tool?
04:11:32scorcheRob2222: sorry...i didnt mean low-level format
04:11:44Rob2222i know
04:11:47Rob2222fill with 00
04:11:51scorchebut as Mikachu said, just re-partitioning should be fine
04:11:52Rob2222is ok, tpoo
04:12:08Rob2222i cant re partionate ... i get an error.
04:12:19Rob2222but i didnt get read/write errors
04:12:30scorchewhat error?
04:12:40scorcheand what prog are you using to do this?
04:14:18Rob2222f.e. hey workshop says when opening that drive: This drive contains a layout irregularity - the partition (....240 sectors) appears to be larger then the volume (.....241 sectors). This is likely a corrupt drive or some form of copy protection.
04:15:29Rob2222Whindows Drivemanager says when formatting: The format couldnt be done errorless.
04:15:32Rob2222-h
04:18:42Rob2222well, there a 2 possibilities...
04:18:58Rob2222there is a strange bit pattern on the disc that confuses all apps
04:19:05Rob2222OR the drive is defect
04:19:28Rob2222is there a tool that erases the full drive? at best from windows?
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04:27:28Rob2222Well, lets see if "Killdisk" can handle it.
04:32:43EbErTyes, Rob2222 there are programs that can write zero's through the whole disk
04:33:06EbErTmy dad uses one for windows, dunno the name tho, and i use mac
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07:53:54markunBagder: our friend OheRe is back
07:54:05markunThought he was banned?
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08:28:40saratogai was skimming today's log and I noticed someone named "josh" asking about the 3G port
08:28:48saratogaanyone know who he is or how I can contact him?
08:29:18saratoganot sure how much help i'd be, but I could at least give him a rough idea of what was going on
08:31:52anti33thmm i fixed my PC yay
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08:36:48amiconnmorning
08:37:08anti33they amiconn
08:37:13amiconnIs it valid (by posix rules) if a path contains extraneous slashes?
08:37:15Zagorsaratoga: lets just hope he comes back. he didn't leave any contact info, we only have his IP address
08:37:44amiconnI mean, is //path/to/file valid and does mean the same as /path/to/file ?
08:37:46Zagoramiconn: you mean trailing, or double?
08:38:16ZagorI think so, but haven't read that part of the specification.
08:38:40Zagormost systems treat it the same at least
08:38:41amiconnBeacuse, rockbox accepts this for normal paths, but not for multi-volume paths. //path/to/file works, but //<MMC1>/path/to/file does not
08:38:49Slasheriat least it should work fine and is quite commonly used in scripts
08:39:10amiconn(but /<MMC1>//path/to/file would)
08:39:41amiconnThe leading doble slash is the cause why the stats plugin does only index the internal flash on Ondio
08:41:14amiconnSO the question is whether to fix the stats plugin or fix dir.c
08:41:59JdGordonfix dir.c and get rid of te problem for good...
08:42:10anti33toooh me like that
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08:43:21Slasheriit seems like the strip_volume -function has the bug
08:43:35Slasheriit should just ignore all leading slashes first
08:43:59anti33ttheres a bug with the sound thing when you turn the ipod off, it keeps making a static noise
08:45:06amiconnSlasheri: The question is whether this is a bug, or whether extraneous slashes shouldn't be allowed
08:45:57JdGordonif u disallow them there is a lot of work needed to enforce it..
08:46:19*JdGordon is half asleep btw, so feel free to ignore and call me stupid :p
08:46:23Slasheriamiconn: i would think fixing the bug might be better
08:47:19Slasheriso extraneous slashes would be then allowed anywhere of the filename
08:48:19amiconnCater for the lazy coders? ;)
08:48:25JdGordonyup :D
08:48:58Zagorthere's probably a fair amount of playlists in the world with double slashes too
08:49:10amiconn?
08:49:19amiconnI've never seen one...
08:49:33amiconnWhat program would generate such playlists?
08:49:55Zagorbroken ones :-)
08:50:30amiconnI'd rather want to adhere to posix here. If posix says extra slashes are legal, then handle them
08:52:32Zagor # (POSIX says: "a pathname that begins with two successive slashes
08:52:32Zagor # may be interpreted in an implementation-defined manner, although
08:52:32Zagor # more than two leading slashes shall be treated as a single slash.")
08:52:53Zagorfound in some source code
08:53:10Zagornot a posix document
08:54:20Zagor"POSIX says that mutliple slashes are interpreted as a single slash, and everyone else adopted that." −− http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mason-devel&m=110032199509450&w=2
08:54:38JdGordonyay! lazy coders win again :D
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09:24:07ZagorOur friendly wiki spammer OheRe offers $500 to keep his page in the wiki...
09:26:53webmindsounds like advertisement
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09:31:04peturthis morning my h340 refused to play music :(
09:31:36peturIt showed the wps, everything looked ok but time stayed 0:00
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09:32:11peturI don't see this issue mentioned in the wiki, anybody know of this?
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09:46:47rolandgood morning...
09:47:26rolandany linux users out there?
09:47:45scorchenope
09:47:49scorcheabsolutely none
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09:50:23roland:-/ sarcasm? ... hmm... i'm trying do make a little script for automatical _two-way_-syncing when the iPod is plugged in... but unison is _very_ slow with vfat, so the directory check takes an hour... anyone got a solution?
09:50:29*petur thinks there are many linux users *out there* and none *in here* (atm)
09:51:23crashdroland: how about rolling your own?
09:52:11Zagorroland: have you looked at rsync?
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09:54:59Zagorsounds strange that unison is slow on vfat. I can't see why it would be.
09:55:38rolandyes, but rsync only provides syncing (one way)... and i want the changes in both directions be synced (eg: deleting file on ipod -> file deleted on workstation, file added on workstation -> file added to ipod, new file on ipod -> file added to workstation ...),
09:56:02Zagorroland: you can always run rsync two times, one for each direction..
09:56:10B4gdernot really
09:56:14Zagorno?
09:56:19B4gderbut otoh
09:56:22rolandafter the first rsync the dirs are synced
09:56:34Zagorroland: only if you allow rsync to remove files
09:56:35B4gderyou can never delete anything if you sync two-way
09:57:08ZagorB4gder: exactly, that's a conflict that must be handled manually either way
09:57:37B4gderpersonally, I completely avoid taking that route
09:57:39rolanddont think so: the underlying directory got a newer timestamp, so in some cases its not conflicting
09:58:10B4gderyeah, but dates on a DAP is likely to not be accurate over time
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10:00:34rolandit conflicts only i think when the same file is manipulated on both machines...
10:01:42roland@zagor: don't know if vfat is the problem, perhaps the bottleneck USB.
10:02:05rolandof the controller of the iPod...
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10:26:16amiconnB4gder: You *can* delete files when syncing two-way, but it requires a history database
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10:35:57B4gderright, that's another way
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10:40:42rolanddidn't unison create one?
10:41:10B4gderI don't even know what unison is so I have no idea
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10:45:38webguest21roland: are you running unison with the fastcheck option?
10:47:53webguest21with that option on here it still takes a long time to create the initial database, but syncing after that is a lot faster
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10:57:09pmohmm... :( ... i'd like to access my AV500 through my linux notebook.. but not luck till now.. and sounds like googling doesn't help much, can someone give me some tips.. or anything.. one hour lost :(
10:57:50B4gderwelcome to #rockbox
10:58:01B4gderthis is a channel for... rockbox
10:59:29pmoyes i had a look.. googling.. brought me in here.. complain to google ;-) ok.. well i see what you mean.. no thank for no help :) next time don't leave the door open.. in case some junk people like me just come in, and bother your silent room :)
10:59:51B4gderwe show them the door too
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11:00:00B4gdergo whine somewhere else
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11:00:15scorcheshame on us for leaving the door open...
11:00:35*petur checks if the lock is jammed
11:01:24*petur fails to find the door
11:01:34B4gderdarn, someone stole it again? ;-P
11:02:13rolandwhats an av500?
11:02:20B4gderan Archos thing
11:02:25B4gderask google
11:02:35scorchethey are quite nice
11:02:50peturit's a pmp (movie stuff) I think
11:02:55B4gderyeps
11:03:02B4gderruns linux even iirc
11:03:08scorcheand some of the models use a 2.5 drive too ^_^
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11:03:25rolandtoo big for sports jacket pocket...
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11:04:02scorchethey can also be used as a mobile pvr
11:05:26anti33tbutters got a ninja star stuck in his eye
11:05:36scorcheheh..old ep
11:05:44scorche...and gets taken to the vet
11:06:17rolanddamn weather...
11:06:28anti33tlol
11:06:54roland27C, sunlight and the evil crying of the birds...
11:07:48anti33tbutters goddamit, we are trying to help you, stop being so much of an asshole
11:09:24rolandanyway... it's exam-time, so the girls at university are well dressed...
11:09:29anti33tyay
11:09:40anti33tgirls girls girls
11:09:57anti33thell i thaught i was in OCNZ....
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11:29:39*B4gder curses google
11:29:48webmindh?
11:29:51webminder
11:29:51webmindhm?
11:29:54B4gderthey bloody hijacked my account and modified the email address for me
11:29:56ashridah?
11:30:04*B4gder shakes fist
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11:30:17B4gderjust because I got a gmail account
11:30:25B4gderthey think I should use that for all my google crap
11:30:35webmindbah
11:30:36B4gderand I do not agree
11:30:42webmindunderstandable
11:30:45ashridahyeah, they're fairly big into centralization
11:30:52MushroomOne day, it'll be "Google - We own you"
11:30:55B4gdersuddently I couldn't login
11:30:57webmindMushroom, uhuh
11:31:06idnar"one day"? :P
11:31:19webmindidnar, they don't use that sentance yet
11:31:34B4gdernot in public, but I'm sure they think so ;-)
11:31:40MushroomYa, they're still pretending that "Don't be evil" means something
11:31:41webminduhuh
11:31:42idnar"In Soviet Russia..."
11:31:53webmindyou own google ?
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11:33:08B4gdermaybe we can use the rockbox fund to buy google and make them good again? ;-)
11:34:11rolandwill i get a job?
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11:36:09B4gdersure, but not a paid one
11:36:12B4gder:-P
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12:19:53Rob2222_A girl askes me to assemble a 60GB HD in a H340, that she bought. Now I have the unit here, the H340 has a broken earphone jack and it looks like the 60GB HD is defect to. I didnt manage it to partition it. :(
12:25:32Bg3rRob2222_ what are the exact symptoms?
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12:31:45Rob2222_Well, the HD was partitioned. I build in, copied files on it. Put H300 to charge. Came back and saw that 80 % of the letters of the dirs and the filenames are strange letters. like ascii art. I tried to copy some of them => BSOD. After restart I deleted the partition and try to make a new. With all programs (Windows, Partition magic, SwissKnife) I got errors. But the drife performs under HD Tune a
12:31:45Rob2222_ full surface test without errors. :(
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12:33:25Rob2222f.e. hey workshop says when opening that drive: This drive contains a layout irregularity - the partition (....240 sectors) appears to be larger then the volume (.....241 sectors). This is likely a corrupt drive or some form of copy protection.
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12:34:58Rob2222SwissKnife crashes and Windows and Partition Magic gave only standard errors.
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12:39:01Rob2222I wiped the hole disc with 00s over night.
12:39:05Rob2222Same problem.
12:39:24Rob2222ATM i fear that the firmware of the drive is defect.
12:40:09Rob2222I just dont know, if the drive was defect, or if the H340 damaged it.
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12:40:55Bg3rno idea :(
12:41:14Bg3rdid you try the HDD with another player ?
12:41:32Rob2222atm, i try the HDD in my 1,8" USB 2.0 adapter.
12:41:55PaulJamcan you boot the device and try if you can fix it with the internal format option?
12:42:25Rob2222i could, had to reassemble, but afaik the H340 cant format 60gb discs
12:42:48Bg3rRob2222 very strange..
12:43:39Rob2222Yes, thats right! Cause it has no read errors the whole disc and the 00s wipe was good, to.
12:44:02Rob2222But it wont let me partition the drive in H340 or USB adapter at 2 different pcs.
12:45:19Bg3rwhat do you read back after wiping it with zeroes?
12:46:08Rob2222I just tried to make a partition after it.
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12:48:53Rob2222iRiver FW says "Cant format" ... well thats normal with 60GB discs afaik
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12:52:09Rob2222And one strange thing: I start the Windows Partitioner, say create a new partition then there is a field where to set the size. Ther is in: 57224. Now i click the DOWN arrow and it jumps to 8 MB. OK so far. When I click down again, it stays at 8mb, ok, too.
12:52:49Rob2222BUT! when i click now UP, he goes to 7MB, 6.5.4.3.2.1.0.-1.-2 .... !!!
12:53:36XavierGrRob: then you are right the disk is f*cked up
12:54:04Rob2222The firmware of the disc, right?
12:54:19XavierGrThough Rob: Are you sure that the iriver firmware can't quick format the 60gb disk?
12:54:40Rob2222yes, i tried
12:54:54Rob2222and i read in board that there comes "cant format"
12:55:01XavierGrah , okay then
12:55:26XavierGrBut I remember that I formatted my 60gb disk that way
12:55:41XavierGr(Default firmware and quick format)
12:55:47Rob2222hmm, i dont know. maybe it works with a new FW
12:56:18XavierGrso you've tried a quick format with iriver fw on a good 60gb disk too?
12:56:52Rob2222Oh man, I didnt want to say, that her H340 and the disc is defect. Even more, she contacted me over ebay, as I sold my H340 with 60GB disc, and I didnt know her personally. :(
12:57:05Rob2222XavierGr: No, didnt tried that.
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12:59:42Rob2222Well, OK, if the FW doesnt report the right data to partition the drive, but I can read/write all sectors, couldnt I just copy a partition table to the disc and see if it works in the iriver?
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13:01:33XavierGryou can try
13:01:42XavierGrdelete the mbr and copy a new one
13:02:02XavierGrbut who knows what will happen.
13:03:53Rob2222which sectors i have to copy? do you know?
13:04:31XavierGrno I am not sure
13:05:11XavierGrrob:I have to go now, but when I come back I can send you my mbr if you still need it.
13:05:42XavierGrthen with a utility you can whipe out the old and write the new one
13:06:12Rob2222OK, driveimage gives at least a little error: The physical configuration at disc 2 does not fit with the OS-information. (translated by me)
13:06:27Rob2222ok
13:06:33Rob2222we will see XavierGr
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13:42:13Bg3rRob2222 any jumpers on those 1.8" drives ?
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14:00:32ryranhey all
14:00:43DgentlyHowdy
14:00:46ryranhave a quick cvs question for any kind soul
14:01:04Bg3rshoot
14:01:15B4gderit'd be even quicker without annoucing it first ;-)
14:01:15ryranthanks
14:01:21ryranhehe
14:01:42ryranI don't really know cvs commands or what the switches mean, but I know cvs -q up -dPC will totally update my directory, replacing local copies
14:02:02ryranwhat if.. I just want to check and see if I'm actually MISSING anything, without overwriting local stuff?
14:02:11Bg3rcvs up -dP
14:02:15ryranah the c
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14:02:23ryranwhat's the -q do?
14:02:35B4gderquiet
14:02:44B4gderI think
14:02:54Bg3r -q Cause CVS to be somewhat quiet.
14:02:54ryranwonder why someone told me to use that...
14:03:14B4gder-q hardly makes any differences, cvs always talk too much for my taste...
14:03:42Bg3rUsage: cvs update [-APCdflRp] [-k kopt] [-r rev] [-D date] [-j rev]
14:03:48Bg3r -C Overwrite locally modified files with clean repository copies.
14:04:27Bg3r(gathered from the cvs -H update output)
14:04:39Bg3ri mean "cvs -H update"
14:04:44DgentlyI have an Acrchos FMR question I'm hoping someone can help me with.
14:05:06DgentlyI had a Hitachi 80g in it, pulled it out and put a Samsung 120g in it.
14:05:17ryranthanks Bg3r y B4gder ;)
14:05:30DgentlyNow I'm getting ATA -32 panic errors, and it goes to the ata debug screen.
14:05:32Bg3rB4gder maybe we should add something like "Don't ask for asking, just ask" ...
14:05:42ryranlol
14:05:50PaulJam_can it be, that the text viewer plugin has a problem with files, that start with an empty line?
14:06:07Dgentlyrofl
14:06:37B4gderDgently: does the drive work elsewhere or in plain usb-mode?
14:06:47JdGordonPaulJam_: its possible, but i dont think that would be the problem if your talking about the refusing to load certain files
14:06:50DgentlyI have a question to ask. Can I ask a question? Besides this one? Er... I mean another one, kinda like this one, but not the same? <g>
14:07:23DgentlyIt seems to work in plain USB mode. At least it let me transfer 80gigs back on to it with no problems.
14:07:54PaulJam_if i open a textfile that has an empty first line with the viewer in the sim it hangs, and if i remove the first line from the file it works in the sim
14:08:22B4gderPaulJam_: nasty
14:08:38DgentlyIt was a brand new drive, and I was planning on pulling it today for further testing, but I was hoping to get a bit of advice on what a -32 error was first.
14:08:51DgentlyI hate undoing all those solder joints. PITA.
14:08:59B4gdersolder joints?
14:09:06PaulJam_the file has CR+LF line endings, if that is important.
14:09:23DgentlyOn the FMR you either have to bend the case, or unsolder the motherboard.
14:09:28B4gderoh
14:09:33B4gderhow awkward
14:09:42*B4gder only has a recv1
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14:10:08Dgentlyoverall I like the little bugger.
14:10:13B4gder(in my Archos stash that is ;-))
14:10:47Slasheriah, finally got some time to work with tagcache. redefining the menu entries, allowing tagcache to be loaded in ram without dircache enabled and proper support for deleting entries from the db
14:10:52DgentlyI am going to be looking for a replacement though, fairly soon. Anyone have any advice on something that runs rockbox, takes 2.5" drives, and has a nice color screen?
14:11:07B4gderDgently: there is none :-(
14:11:22Dgentlythat explains why I can't find one.
14:11:24Dgentlydangit
14:11:47ryranSlasheri: that sounds exciting! are you one of the main devs?
14:12:01B4gderDgently: then hope for this effort to take off => http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3978.0
14:12:22B4gderSlasheri: nice work
14:12:39Slasheriryran: yes, the creator of the tagcache :)
14:12:56B4gderSlasheri: did you spot hardeep is working on a host-based tagcache generator
14:12:58DgentlyI want!
14:13:06ryransweet!
14:13:09DgentlyAnd thanks for all the work, Slasheri.
14:13:19JdGordonSlasheri: u gonna add the patch t rename tagnavi.config so u can safly update without having it overwritten?
14:13:20SlasheriB4gder: yes, i noticed that. Sounds really interesting :)
14:13:30Dgentlybrb,afk
14:13:43SlasheriJdGordon: yes, i will. probably doing the commits at next week
14:13:50JdGordon:)
14:14:12ryranoooooo mmmmm tagcache updates... can't wait
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14:17:15JdGordonSlasheri: any chance of a dir browser in the TC browser (or the other way around) in the foreseable future?
14:18:21SlasheriJdGordon: yes, implementing tagcache as a virtual dir has been a planned feature
14:18:40Slasheribut i can't say when that will happen :P
14:18:46JdGordonok :_
14:19:01JdGordonthat was meant to be a :) stupid keybord
14:19:02Paul_The_NerdAll you'd *really* need is the ability to set shortcuts to file views (or specific files) in TagNavi.config
14:19:25Paul_The_NerdIf you should do "Show All files" allfiles.cfg or something, so that choosing it ran that config, you'd be set, wouldn't you?
14:20:48JdGordonnot quite...
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14:21:25Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Howsat?
14:22:00Paul_The_NerdThough I guess the virtual directory is a more user friendly method.
14:22:18JdGordonit could be done like that, but there is a bit of work needed...
14:22:27JdGordonanywho, im off to bed, cyaz
14:23:03*Paul_The_Nerd is just a fan of extending the capabilities of TagNavi.config, but *not* creating non-existing entries in the filetree.
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14:23:36Paul_The_NerdIf a user wants to see the ID3 database, couldn't they just save a config in the root that sets the file view to ID3 database? Which means that really you just need an easy way *back* from TagCache
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14:24:04SlasheriNow the menu entries for tagcache are: Initialize now, Update now, Auto update (yes/no), Load to RAM (yes/no)
14:24:23SlasheriPaul_The_Nerd: Hmm, in theory yes
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14:26:06Paul_The_NerdSlasheri: Really I'm just trying to come up with alternatives. While the virtual directory entry is okay, I personally don't like the idea of having directory entries that aren't physically files on the disk. It's possible when the forced update is run, it could create a .cfg in the root with just the line to change the file view, which would also mean that it only shows up after the cache is initialized (though it'd stick arou
14:26:36preglowthat got truncated
14:27:34Paul_The_NerdAt what word?
14:29:49SlasheriPaul_The_Nerd: hmm, interesting. Or then we could just implement some static shortcut to/from the the tagcache
14:32:27Paul_The_NerdI just personally would rather if it shows up in the filetree, it actually be a file is all. :)
14:33:07Paul_The_NerdThe filetree already confuses iPod users without it becoming a Filetree++ with non-file entries.
14:34:11Paul_The_NerdThen again, people can adapt, and a virtual entry would certainly be the easiest for quick navigation both ways.
14:34:26preglowhow can a file tre confuse?
14:34:29preglowtree too
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14:39:07Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: Because they go into it expecting a menu, and see either a blank screen, or the automatically present folders that happen to align with menu entries in the iPod software, so they think they're looking at a menu that is completely devoid of options. Having an *actual* menu entry there, sorta, that is very definitely not a folder on the disk, just makes it more awkward.
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14:39:26Paul_The_NerdThat wasn't truncated too, was it?
14:39:34preglowindeed
14:39:39Paul_The_NerdWhere at?
14:39:42preglowi didn't think about ipod users not having any files, no
14:40:06Paul_The_NerdThe iPod_Control folder is hidden, so they just see "Contacts" "Calender" and the other non-hidden folders.
14:40:10Paul_The_NerdWhich, if they enter are empty
14:40:19Paul_The_NerdSo the first question is always 'Why aren't there any options in the menus?"
14:40:23Paul_The_NerdAt least, for the totally clueless
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14:41:12Paul_The_NerdI'm really not against a virtual folder or anything. I'm just trying to explore alternatives before it's set in stone.
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14:43:46PaulJam_doesn't rockbox already have such a virtual folder system? for the devices with a card slot and in the future for usb-otg.
14:44:21linuxstbYes, but I agree with Paul_The_Nerd that that's different - the MMC card is a real disk with real files...
14:46:03Paul_The_NerdAlthough if the virtual folder is *only* visible while tagcache is initialized, then at least it'll only be there once users are unlikely to be confused by it.
14:46:05PaulJam_but the tagcache entrys point to real files
14:46:37Paul_The_NerdIt's not really an entrypoint to real files. In fact, at the moment the rules are fairly different while you're in TagCache since you can't insert the virtual folders into playlists, etc.
14:47:03linuxstbBut I'm also not arguing against a virtual folder - I can't think of anything better.
14:47:14Paul_The_NerdAye, that's about where I stand. :)
14:49:40linuxstbSlasheri: Have you thought about the possibility of specifying directories to include/exclude from tagcache?
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15:00:36amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: The virtual directory will (1) be made quite obvios and (2) only present if tagcache is initialised
15:01:24Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Fair then. :)
15:01:41amiconn(1) can be done by surrounding it by <> like the multi-volume virtual dirs. While < and > aren't strictly forbidden within a file system, they are disallowed by many OS'es because they usually mean redirection
15:02:53B4gderecho moo > '<moo>'
15:02:55B4gder:-)
15:04:28Paul_The_NerdHehehe
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15:08:33Jungti1234hi
15:09:42Jungti1234http://cafefiles.naver.net/data22/2006/6/6/96/SV3024434.JPG
15:09:49Jungti1234iriver D20 inside
15:10:14Jungti1234http://cafefiles.naver.net/data21/2006/6/6/60/SV304435.JPG
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15:11:41Dgentlynone of those links work.
15:11:51Paul_The_NerdThey worked for me.
15:11:57B4gderfor me too
15:11:59DgentlyI get 404 errors on all of them
15:12:16chendoworked for me
15:12:28Dgentlynever mind, a reload fixed it. That was odd.
15:12:32DgentlySorry
15:14:04Jungti1234Does it see?
15:14:20Jungti1234can see it?
15:16:21DgentlyYes, I can see it. Thanks for posting these.
15:17:18Paul_The_NerdIsn't the D20 a dictionary?
15:17:27Slasherilinuxstb: yes, i think there should be a way to exclude folders from both dircache and tagcache
15:17:29Jungti1234D20 is dictionary.
15:17:39Slasheribut i am not sure how the ui part should be done for that
15:17:55Slasheriargh, *directories :)
15:18:27B4gderskip the ui and use a plain config file for that
15:18:55linuxstbI agree - at least to start with. Let someone else write the UI.
15:19:03Slasheriok, that sounds good enough :)
15:19:05Paul_The_NerdJust /.rockbox/exclude/dircache.ex and tagcache.ex or something
15:19:13Jungti1234UI?
15:19:17Paul_The_NerdOr full .cfg file support
15:19:19Paul_The_NerdThat could be okay too
15:19:21SlasheriJungti1234: user interface
15:19:27Jungti1234Isn't Rockbox's UI simple?
15:19:32Jungti1234Slasheir: I know
15:20:06SlasheriJungti1234: yes, but how one would implement selecting directories to be included/excluded from various databases
15:20:44Rob2222Can it be, that the last sector of a HD is important? That 60GB drive seems to have a bad last sector.
15:20:46Paul_The_NerdYou *could* just make it a context menu choice.
15:20:54Jungti1234difficult is to speak about Rockbox UI....
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15:20:58Paul_The_NerdClick and hold on a folder, and choose "Exclude from TagCache"
15:21:12Paul_The_NerdAnd it adds it to a nice little list hidden somewhere
15:22:05SlasheriPaul_The_Nerd: hmm, sounds good :) but i will do just the config file support first
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15:22:20amiconnWhy should I want to exclude dirs from the caches (if I use them)?
15:22:59linuxstbWhen SID support is added, I don't want the 32,000 file HVSC collection in tagcache.
15:23:01Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Audiobooks/Podcasts not showing up in "All Music" lists when attempting to shuffle everything you've got by way of TagCache
15:23:19Paul_The_NerdYes, HVSC in TagCache is painful
15:24:32linuxstbAnother example is that I also have my main music collection nicely tagged, but also a collection of live bootlegs which are not. I would prefer to browse the bootlegs via the file browser, and the studio music via tagcache. I'm sure others have got directories of untagged music they would like to exclude.
15:25:16Paul_The_NerdRecordings.
15:26:59ryrandefinitely agree on that point
15:32:23amiconnAh, hmm.
15:32:50amiconnThat makes sense for tagcache then (I don't have any audiobooks or podcasts)
15:33:33amiconnBut why exclude dirs from dircache? Sounds like adding a lot of complexity for little benefit
15:34:21amiconn(dirs excluded from dircache then need to be accessed the conventional way - and the system has to keep track of these differences)
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15:35:17amiconnNote that my view is that of a non-dirchache user
15:36:20*amiconn observes that the more he deals with the newer units, he more and more prefers using the archoses
15:36:23*Paul_The_Nerd sees no reason to exclude dirs from dircache either.
15:36:40Hansmaulwurfdoes dircache saves all dirs or only the ones with music in?
15:36:45Paul_The_NerdAll dirs
15:36:51Hansmaulwurfhm
15:37:42B4gderiow, dircache is a true cache
15:37:59B4gdercaching directory contents
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15:38:31Hansmaulwurfwell I have a dir with 4GB for my university work, with a lot of sub-dirs, I dont need this Dirs in tagcache
15:39:19Paul_The_NerdTagCache is different than DirCache entirely
15:39:25Hansmaulwurferm
15:39:25Hansmaulwurfsorry
15:39:32Hansmaulwurfi mean dircache
15:40:36Paul_The_NerdI suppose it'll keep the dircache itself slightly smaller.
15:41:07B4gderbut add complexity to the code I guess
15:41:17B4gdersince it'll be a mixed situation
15:41:34*B4gder is guessing
15:42:02Paul_The_NerdProbably, yes
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15:45:37DgentlyOn a somewhat related note, I have an Archos FMR with an 80gig drive in it. I tried initializing dircache once. It ran for a good long while (20-40min, I'm not exactly sure) and then locked up. No big deal, just thought you might want to know.
15:45:49DgentlyI figured I had too much crap on the drive for it.
15:46:44Dgentlyexcluding dirs would've been handy for me, I have a .progs dir full of data that wouldn't need to be cached.
15:46:46Paul_The_NerdDircache is kinda a bad idea on the Archoses anyway isn't it?
15:46:58Paul_The_NerdThey have fairly limited ram already
15:47:08DgentlyI didn't think it had enough memory to be useful, but I thought I'd play with it a bit.
15:47:11amiconnDircache isn't built into the archos builds
15:47:19Dgentlyhmmmm.
15:47:31DgentlyI ran some kind of cache initialization.
15:47:33amiconnTagcache is a different thing, and is available on archos
15:47:38Dgentlythought it was dircache.
15:47:46DgentlyOh! my bad then, sorry.
15:47:56DgentlyOk, so tagcache ran for ... <g>
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15:53:09ryran(back-reading) for those that use their players as portable hds with lots of non-music, I think it would be dope-a-licious to be able to exclude stuff from dircache
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15:53:45ryranor perhaps to have an option for it to scan directories for music files and only cache those...
15:53:54Hansmaulwurfthat would be great
15:54:13B4gderwhy?
15:54:17ryranbut that could still take a lot of time when you could instead just exclude..
15:54:19B4gderdircache is not for music only
15:54:33B4gderit would make no sense at all
15:54:33ryranright, but ...
15:54:45Hansmaulwurfmaybe only for "supported" files
15:54:47ryranmost people only use their players for music
15:54:47B4gderimagine a single dir with both music and non-music
15:54:59B4gderso?
15:55:07B4gderwhy would they bother to exclude anything then?
15:55:24Paul_The_NerdEven "supported only" causes a problem when you have various extensions for files that you could load in the text editor, or whatnot
15:55:24ryranheh
15:55:51B4gderI think you're crying out for something you can't really motivate why we should offer
15:56:18ryranlol.. I just stepped in here. :D I don't really care.
15:56:36Paul_The_NerdI think TagCache needs exclusions, DirCache doesn't really
15:56:45B4gderamen
15:56:59ryranI can understand that
15:57:04ryransounds good :)
15:57:07Paul_The_NerdI mean, there's a small case for them, but it's _very_ small. :)
15:57:39ryranwhat I'd be curious to know is how much ram it actually takes to store file listings in a cache
15:57:45ryranI really have absolutely no idea
15:57:48Paul_The_NerdYou can check that in the debug menu
15:57:51ryranooooooooooo
15:58:20ryransweeeetbajeebus!
15:58:22ryrancool
15:59:03Paul_The_NerdHehehe
15:59:08Paul_The_NerdDebug menu is useful stuff. ;)
15:59:11Paul_The_NerdNow, I must go
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15:59:17Bg3rB4gder the reasons in my eyes are that if you have some folders with a lots of small files (like pictures etc, programs, documents, code etc etc) and they are included in the dircache, then 1) they will took not so little RAM for the cache 2) the startup time will be worse
15:59:30Jungti1234:'(
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16:00:35ryranquestion: how is dircache limit determined? by platform or by available ram?
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16:01:37Bg3rryran first time you boot the player with dircache enabled, rb does a blocking scan of the disk
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16:01:49Bg3rand allocates as much memory as it needs
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16:02:00Jungti1234aHH
16:02:07Bg3r+ 64kb for new files
16:02:12apoMoin
16:02:17Jungti1234I knew TagCache now!!
16:02:28Bg3rthat's from mp3 buffer
16:02:38ryranuhmmm
16:02:39Jungti1234It wasn't easy..... :)
16:02:54Bg3rso the dircache size depends entirely on your directory structure and the count of the files on your player
16:03:08ryranthanks Bg3r, but I actually meant the *limit*
16:03:17Bg3rhm
16:03:26ryranit says my limit is 6mb
16:03:48ryranwhereas I'm only using 282,244b
16:04:32ryranI was curious if that was an limit determined by the ram.. or if it's an absolute specified in source per each platform
16:04:46ryran(I'm thinking about ipod 64mb vs 32mb ram here)
16:05:09Jungti1234hehehe
16:05:13Jungti1234I don't need all file.
16:05:59Bg3r./include/dircache.h:#define DIRCACHE_LIMIT (1024*1024*6)
16:06:14Bg3rit's hardcoded in firmware/include/dircache.h
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16:06:26ryranhaha you're the man
16:06:38Bg3rfind & grep are the men :P
16:06:46ryranI was wondering :D
16:06:53B4gderGood men they are
16:07:02Bg3ryep
16:07:11Bg3rryran but 6MB is _a_lot_ of files ...
16:07:39Bg3rmaybe 10 000 are ~ 800k
16:07:55ryranyeah.. I can see that.. given that I'm only using uhhh a quarter of a meg
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16:08:20ryranso all targets have at least 6mb of ram?
16:08:34ryranohhhhhhhhhhhhh wait wait I know
16:08:35B4gderno
16:08:42ryransome targets just don't include the dircache code
16:08:50B4gdercorrectomente
16:09:23ryranhmm. I'm absolutely loving dircache−−on a hd-based player, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to use it.
16:09:35B4gderI don't
16:09:39ryranwhoa
16:09:41ryranwhy?
16:10:05B4gderbecause 99.95% of my time, rockbox plays a playlist
16:10:54B4gderpower on, resume play, listen, power down
16:11:02B4gdergoto 10
16:11:07Bg3rLOL
16:11:07ryranbut.. what am I missing here.... if dircache only uses a mb or so of ram for most people..... how could freeing that up for playbuffer help any? that's like.. miniscule
16:11:09ryranlol
16:11:30B4gderI just don't see any point in enabling it
16:11:30Bg3rryran
16:11:37ryranyes?
16:11:57Bg3rthe reason imho is more the point 2) of the things i said some minutes ago
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16:12:10B4gderyeps
16:12:12Bg3rthat is, lesser scan
16:12:16Bg3rtime
16:12:24Bg3ralso
16:12:42Bg3ryou can easily have thousand of files with sizes, comparable with 50 - 100kbytes
16:12:59ryranah
16:13:21Bg3r(for example, i have many funny pics on my h340)
16:13:48*Bg3r goes to run the stats plugin
16:14:28ryranI don't know about the average person, but if I used my player more as a portable hard drive, it would be organized into folders. point being, that I would keep stuff like that seperate−−all the more reason to have the dircache exclusion option. *g*
16:14:42Bg3rryran exactly
16:14:56Bg3ri have a D folder in the root (D stands for Data)
16:15:00Bg3rokay
16:15:01Bg3ri have
16:15:05Bg3r1024 dirs
16:15:13Bg3r4974 music files
16:15:24Bg3rand total 11251 files
16:15:35ryranwhew
16:16:03Bg3rand if i had the opportunity to exclude the D folder ...
16:20:54Hansmaulwurf(16:13:21) (Bg3r) (for example, i have many funny pics on my h340) <−−- funny pics, I understand ;)
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16:21:28apoHansmaulwurf: Yeah, they make happy :P
16:22:51DgentlySorry to butt in, but would anyone know where some hi-res pics of the FMR motherboard might be? I've poked in the wiki, tried the external links (btw,Matthias Wächter's site is gone - and he was my best hope), and can't find what I need.
16:23:00Bg3rhahaha
16:23:18Bg3ri can't get it why everyone thinks funny pics = porn ...
16:23:29B4gderhaha
16:24:31HansmaulwurfI didnt say "porn" but you did!
16:24:41Hansmaulwurf:P
16:24:44Bg3roh, okay
16:28:54Bg3rHansmaulwurf stuff like this : http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~joni/comp-tech.jpg is what i call funny pics
16:28:55Bg3r:P
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16:31:06Bg3rand this http://www.anvari.org/shortjoke/EmailJoke_Set_4/2449.html :D
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16:37:15ryranhaha... you're funny
16:37:26ryraner, I mean *that's* funny ;P
16:38:18Bg3r:P
16:38:39Bg3ryeah, the last one isn't pic, but i have it as .jpg
16:38:44ryranhahaha (just read the second one)
16:39:58ryranryran/151315044/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryran/151315044/ <−− another example of a funny pic
16:40:40B4gderhttp://despair.com/consulting.html
16:41:13ryranlol
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16:41:41B4gderdespair.com is da place for good posters
16:41:45B4gderfor your office
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16:51:06ryran(just spent all that time reading posters) I'm kinda torn about those.
16:51:18ryranyeah, many of them are funny, but....
16:51:43ryranin the end, I don't think that they'd pring a positive net effect to anyone's life
16:51:55B4gderyou don't?
16:51:56B4gderhaha
16:52:10B4gderthat's why they're called demotivators
16:53:28ryranright.. well I kinda thought the point was that they're funny
16:54:18ryranexcept that I think many of them actually really will live up to their name and bring people down, which−−well, I can't imagine why anyone would really want that
16:54:34B4gderI just love them
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16:56:12Hansmaulwurfsome of them are great for meeting-rooms
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18:04:59amiconnhardeep: How is building tagcache externally supposed to work?
18:05:09amiconnSpecifically, how does it deal with endianess?
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18:20:34hardeepamiconn: i've added a "littleendian" argument
18:20:45hardeepamiconn: default works with iRiver
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18:21:48amiconnDoes it also handle differing alignment requirements per target? Or does the tagcache code align for all targets now?
18:22:03hardeepi've set it up to always align
18:22:10amiconnok
18:22:10hardeepi think tagcache does the same
18:22:39amiconnWhat about supporting other music formats? Is that going to be difficult?
18:23:09hardeepprobably not too hard, will just need to port our parsing code to perl
18:23:34amiconnHmm, or perhaps make the offline tagcache builder a program?
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18:23:42amiconnIt would remove the need to install perl
18:23:57hardeepyeah, that's a possibility too
18:23:58amiconn...where it's not installed by default, i.e. windows
18:24:21hardeepperl just makes it easy to manipulate strings =)
18:24:45amiconnHmm, in fact someone already started a tagdb builder in C
18:24:46linuxstb_But doesn't Rockbox already contain all the necessary C code?
18:24:59amiconn(probably the old format, not tagcache)
18:25:04amiconnChech apps/tagdb/
18:25:07amiconn*Check
18:25:08hardeepi've seen a java version, not c
18:25:58amiconnlinuxstb: Almost. The offline tool needs to handle endianess
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18:37:21hardeephmmm, this tagdb implementation looks more complex than it needs to be
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18:38:25hardeepalthough that may be due to the old tagdb structure... tagcache is nice and simple
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19:12:12ryranwoot
19:13:25ryranquestionay for anyone: how come battery capacity is configurable in system settings in rockbox? is it set to a certain default for each target?
19:18:23linuxstbFor most targets, users can change the factory batteries for ones with a higher capacity.
19:20:44ryranbut there's not just a global default, right? as in, the source specifies the proper defaults for different targets? what happens if you change the setting... with the normal batteries?
19:22:16linuxstbYes, the source specifies different sets of values for different targets. But I think it's only used to display a runtime estimation, nothing else.
19:22:49linuxstbAlso, it's not implemented fully for all targets - the ipods for example.
19:24:04ryran"only to display runtime estimation" −− ohhhh okay. that's what I was wondering about.
19:25:57linuxstbSo basically, it's not important.
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19:27:56ryranyeah.. I just now noticed that you could actually change it and that got me wondering what it actually did (I'd always assumed it was just something that should've been in debug)
19:28:10ryrancool. thanks linuxstb
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19:45:09redondosHello. Is there some way to have the lyrics of the songs available in rockbox?
19:45:26redondosPreferrably something more automated than having a bunch of textfiles.
19:46:52HansmaulwurfH300 user here?
19:48:36Hansmaulwurfno one?
19:49:14Hansmaulwurfdamn
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19:49:46linuxstbredondos: The official Rockbox version doesn't have any lyrics support, but someone has developed a plugin for lyrics - there's a long thread about it in the forums.
19:51:57redondoslinuxstb: Thank you.
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19:57:44oboPaulJam: do you use the same nick on MisticRiver?
19:57:53PaulJamyes
19:58:33oboany chance you could send me one of the files that caused problems with the scrobbler patch?
19:59:10PaulJamyes
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20:03:41redondosHas any of you used sncviewer?
20:05:13PaulJamobo: how should i send it to you? email?
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20:13:09oboPaulJam: did you get my pm?
20:13:43PaulJamyes, i just saw it, im sending the mail soon.
20:13:57obothanks
20:16:27PaulJammail is sent.
20:17:44obookay, it's arrived - I'll see what I can do :)
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20:38:12Rob2222Does anybody know a hard disc surface test tool that runs under windows?
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20:39:18merbananRob2222: scandisk
20:41:55bluebrotherRob2222, chkdsk /f in a cmd window is also helpful in some cases.
20:46:07ryranRob2222: spinrite http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm
20:47:37ryran(there's no free demo though)
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20:55:34ender`Rob2222: if you suspect you have bad sectors, it's by far the best to get disk test from your manufacturer, since it can relocate bad sectors
20:55:39Rob2222thx, but scandisc and chkdsk wont work cause i cant format thr drive
20:56:28ender`Rob2222: what disk do you have?
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21:00:39Rob222260gb toshiba
21:00:43Rob2222in iriver H340
21:00:59Rob2222toshiba has no test util
21:01:19ender`uhh, that's a problem
21:02:32Rob2222Even more that most dos tools have problems to recognize the USB drives.
21:02:47ender`got any linux box?
21:04:43bluebrotherI think the drive fitness test of Hitachi should work as well. At least for testing.
21:05:55Rob2222have suse 10 on laptop ... but .. nor yet learned how to work with it
21:06:51ender`bluebrother: it will report problems, but doesn't allow low-level format or bad sector reallocation
21:08:37bluebrotherI know it doesn't do everything, but maybe this is already helpful
21:08:38ender`Rob2222: boot to SuSE and connect your H340
21:08:50bluebrotherfor a linux box: try knoppix :)
21:09:49ender`after you do that, open console and type dmesg, it should tell you if it recognised the HDD
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21:12:54Rob2222ok ender
21:13:16ender`(or actually, open the console before you connect the player)
21:13:26ender`(but type dmesg after you do it)
21:14:36ender`also, have both the player and laptop connected to mains, since this procedure will take a while
21:16:10Rob2222hmm, my suse seems not to boot, give me a second
21:17:10ender`no problem
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21:20:38Rob2222do you think suse 10 will recognize a adaptec usb 2.0 pcmcia controller?
21:21:01Nibblerjust try it
21:21:21Nibblerif dmesg tells you just nothing it was not detected by linux ;-)
21:21:56Rob2222dmesg says damn much
21:22:07Nibblerjust read the last 10 linux
21:22:28Nibblerif its anyhthing about usb, sda, or harddisk
21:22:33Nibblerrofl
21:22:40Nibblerjust read the last 10 LINES!
21:22:45Rob2222lol
21:22:46Rob2222:)
21:23:03Rob2222i insart the adaptec card now
21:23:15Rob222260gb hd scan isnt fun witn usb 1.1 i think
21:23:21Nibblerhehe nope
21:23:38Rob2222what do i have to do after inserting the pcmcia?
21:23:45Nibblerdo dmesg again
21:23:53Nibblerand see if there are any new lines now
21:23:53Rob2222ah
21:23:57Rob2222usb hub found
21:24:00Rob2222nice
21:24:03Nibbler... :)
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21:24:04Rob2222plug & play
21:24:09Rob2222now the player?
21:24:13Nibblerjep
21:24:14ender`yes
21:24:50Nibblerand in dmesg look for the device name that got assigned (should be sda, could be sdb, sdc etc)
21:25:06Rob2222sdb
21:25:33Rob2222yes, its sdb
21:25:50Nibblerok, so your device is /dev/sdb
21:25:50Rob2222as scsi device. mk6006gah
21:25:55Rob2222ok
21:25:56ender`ok, now run this: badblocks -n /dev/sdb
21:26:18ender`if you're lucky, this'll cause the disk to relocate the bad sectors
21:26:54ender`(and you should be able to reformat the disk afterwards)
21:26:55Rob2222command not found ;)
21:27:04ender`hm
21:27:04Rob2222i have to install, right?
21:27:08ender`install e2fsprogs
21:27:15ender`(it's part of them)
21:27:30ender`(at least on gentoo, but i'd imagine it's the same on suse)
21:28:53NibblerRob2222: are you logged in as "root"?
21:29:15Rob2222good question *duck*
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21:29:28Nibblercause its most likely in /sbin or the like, and you need root access anyways for direct harddisk access :)
21:29:36ender`oh, forgot to mention that
21:29:57Rob2222according YAST it is installed.
21:30:11Nibbleryou need to be root to find it in your path...
21:30:19ender`just log in as root (or, in console, type su -)
21:30:57Rob2222ok works
21:31:32ender`now just wait and hope
21:31:39*Nibbler crosses fingers :)
21:31:44*ender` wishes somebody ported smartmontools to rockbox :)
21:31:52Rob2222does it gives me information, when a block has errors?
21:32:16Nibbleryou should use -v for that maybe
21:32:21ender`yes
21:33:17Rob2222ok, "badblocks -c -n /dev/sdb" is now running
21:33:33ender`you mean -v -n ?
21:33:39Rob2222-c+v i mean
21:33:45Rob2222-v -n
21:35:31Rob2222well, i am positive surprised of the P&P of suse :)
21:36:09ender`P&P?
21:36:36NibblerRob2222: its linux, not suse
21:37:00Nibbler...in this case
21:37:34*ender` starts unpacking his new laptop
21:38:38dionoeahello
21:40:03Nibblerhello dionoea
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21:46:59Rob2222plug&play
21:47:29Rob2222i just installed it for testing and leraning
21:47:44Rob2222but didtn got the orinoco mini-pci to work with wpa
21:47:50Nibblerfine, now you had a good use for it at least :)
21:47:56Rob2222yes
21:48:29Nibblerno idea about wireless, but keep hearing you have to be selective when buying wlan for linux
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21:53:20Rob2222what is the output of badblocks? the block numbers?
21:53:33Rob2222== sectors?
21:54:25Rob2222atm its by 860000
21:54:51Rob2222according to the hex editor the disc has ca 117 million sectors
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22:06:10NibblerRob2222: thats the part about having it connected to the powerplug :-)
22:08:59Rob2222hehe ok
22:09:08Rob2222when thats the sectors
22:09:13Rob2222i let run it over night
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23:39:48oboPaulJam: I've just updated the patch - thanks again for the example file
23:40:06FebsI swear that Rockbox reversed the channels on my music. A restart corrected it. Is this technically possible?
23:40:53PaulJamobo: good, thanks.
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23:42:00RibsFebs: on the ipod, probably
23:42:07Ribsthe ipod port isn't very mature right now
23:42:30BagderFebs: it sounds unlikely...
23:43:42FebsBagder: I thought so too when I noticed it once a few weeks ago. But it seems to have happened again today.
23:44:07FebsEither that or I am imagining things and I need a vacation.
23:47:02FebsHuh. My company's web filter blocks "emusic.com," but not "http://www.emusic.com"
23:47:18*Febs is really beginning to think that vacation is not such a bad idea.
23:47:42Ribslol
23:47:42idnarour school's web filter blocked ".exe"
23:47:49idnarbut, like, anywhere in the URL
23:47:54idnarso http://www.exercise.com/ was blocked
23:47:57Ribslol
23:48:00Ribslame
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23:54:12jimmy13632hey is there any development for the san disk e200 series?
23:54:21Bagderno
23:54:30Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html
23:55:09XavierGrBagder: any chance Sansa will help you out
23:55:12jimmy13632is there going to be any development, or has anyone started to test and create software?
23:55:29XavierGrFrom their point all they did was to donate some devices
23:55:30Bagderjimmy13632: did you read the page?
23:55:40XavierGrI expect more from a company
23:56:14XavierGrI mean SanDisk
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23:56:59BagderXavierGr: I'm trying to get more help from them but it seems hard
23:57:13jimmy13632okay, so there is development starting they just need more help
23:57:28jimmy13632to get the ball rolling
23:57:32Bagder"development" is not the right word here
23:57:39jimmy13632testing?
23:57:47Bagderbut there's an effort going on to attempt to figure out the file formats
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