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#rockbox log for 2006-06-29

00:00:00 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting")
00:00:43 Quit Rondom (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:01:33jimmy13632I heard SanDisk approached asking about the possibility of porting the firmware to the sansa e200 series
00:01:58Bagder*READ*
00:02:09jimmy13632i did...
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00:02:19scorche>_>
00:02:39jimmy13632but i can't seam to find if they have contacted you anymore than that?
00:02:44jimmy13632seem*
00:03:04Bagder"I responded and we exchanged a few mails about what we want and a little about what Rockbox is and how Rockbox is developed"
00:03:43jimmy13632have the sent you any developer information such as maybe schematics?
00:03:51Bagder*READ*
00:04:54preglowit's all there
00:05:43sharpeit's funny, my monitor has a resolution of 320x240 now...
00:06:02preglowhow oldschool of it
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00:08:56sharpeyes. it is very, very, old-school.
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00:09:24user01can someone help me troubleshoot? i installed the most recent version of rockbox for 4g bw and transfers to ipod crash when i try to move files
00:12:17dj-fudid you install it correctly
00:12:20dj-fuand daily build or cvs build?
00:12:26 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:13:22user01cvs build
00:13:36user01rockbox works
00:13:44user01and the apple build works
00:14:00user01transferring files as a flash disk dosen,t
00:14:15user01it says do not disconnect
00:14:22user01then says ok to disconnect
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00:15:27dj-fupass
00:15:33user01dj-fu: firewire worked in the beginning now doesnt, usb freezes
00:15:33dj-fuI don't have a 4g bw so I can't test it soz
00:15:38dj-fumy nano works sweet cvs
00:16:13Febsuser01: What do you mean by "transferring files as a flash disk"?
00:16:50dj-fuprobably disk mode
00:17:00user01Febs: pluging in the ipod and the computer seeing it as a disk drive like a flash drive
00:17:08dj-fuhow else are you doing it rofl?
00:17:11dj-fu:\
00:17:17dj-futrying to use itunes or something?
00:17:28user01dj-fu: nope dont have itunes installed
00:17:32dj-futhen what?
00:17:40user01dj-fu: though the manual states to use itunes
00:17:58dj-funo it doesn't.
00:18:00FebsThe Rockbox Manual certainly doesn't say that.
00:18:07dj-futhat's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen
00:18:13dj-fuheard/seen rather
00:18:46user01"ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk"
00:18:53Febsuser01: when you plug in the iPod via USB, is it assigned a drive letter?
00:18:54user01http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
00:18:54^BeN^someone have a free pdf to word converter?
00:19:28 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@89-138-32-152.bb.netvision.net.il)
00:19:43FebsOK, *using* iTunes is different from telling iTunes not to screw with your ability to access the ipod as a disk.
00:19:51user01dj-fu: what are you saying about disk mode?
00:20:00dj-fuipod have a disk mode
00:20:24user01dj-fu: so what would i do if that is the problem?
00:21:24dj-fuyou should only ever transfer music to rockbox as "as a flash disk"
00:21:32dj-futhat's how it's done.
00:21:37dj-futhat's half the point
00:22:01user01dj-fu: when i connect it automatically goes to the apple firmware
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00:22:09dj-fuit's not designed to
00:22:16dj-fuit only boots the apple firmware if you hold menu
00:22:52user01when im in rockbox and connect the ipod via usb it boots into apple firmwaer
00:23:05dj-funo it doesn't ;\
00:23:10sharpe`user01: you mean disk mode.
00:23:16dj-fuit loads the rockbox disk transfer
00:23:31dj-fuafaik
00:23:33user01the apple logo comes on the screen
00:23:39dj-funothing to do with apple apart from the logo
00:23:56 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:24:01user01ok connect it apple logo and then apple message ok to disconnect
00:24:01 Nick sharpe` is now known as sharpe (i=sharpe@user-0c8hc2c.cable.mindspring.com)
00:24:29dj-fuNO
00:24:30dj-fuNO APPLE
00:24:33dj-fuI'm going to kill you.
00:25:08PaulJamdj-fu: rockbox has no usb mode on ipods, it (re)boots into apples disk mode
00:25:14dj-fuoh
00:25:16dj-futhere ya go then
00:25:21dj-funo wonder it's a little slower ;P
00:25:30 Quit Rondom ("Ex-Chat")
00:25:40user01dj-fu: wondered when rockbox adapted the apple logo :)
00:25:47Febsuser01: does the message say "OK to disconnect" or "Do not disconnect"?
00:25:54user01ok to disconnect
00:26:10user01Febs: the opposite of what it should
00:26:23FebsTry a different USB port.
00:26:57sharpeand be sure itunes isn't running...
00:27:29user01i dont have itunes installed
00:27:35sharpethat's helpful
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00:29:23user01user01: ok so i went to a different usb port it says do not diconnect, im transferring an ogg file and it says the path is too deep
00:29:58user01trasferring it to g:\lossy\
00:30:03user01which is ipod
00:30:12sharpefrom what path?
00:30:24user01desktop
00:30:30sharpe...
00:30:47 Quit jimmy13632 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
00:30:57sharpecan you be... a little more specific? like an actual path?
00:31:27FebsThat's an actual windows error message "Cannot transfer file: path too deep" or something like that.
00:31:44*Bagder checks character frequencies on mi4 files and gets depressed
00:31:48user01sharp: standard windoze xp path C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop
00:32:55FebsI Googled that message fairly extensively about a week ago to try to help someone with a similar problem and didn't come up with anything particularly helpful.
00:33:05 Quit Sanitarium ()
00:33:41user01Febs: i had intially tried to transfer from my samba server and that wasnt working so i tried copying one file from desktop
00:33:48user01im sure samba is much deeper
00:36:14linuxstbBagder: Nothing helpful from sandisk yet then?
00:36:21Bagdernope
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00:38:01merbananBagder: any more boot loaders ?
00:38:05Bagderyeah
00:38:17Bagderhm, no sorry
00:38:22Bagderjust one more mi4
00:38:24Bagderwith big header
00:38:25merbanan:/
00:38:40user01febs: when i try to copy from samba it states cannot find specified folder
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00:39:05user01when i drag and drop
00:39:29BagderI need to read up on cryptoanalysis
00:39:31linuxstbFebs: I've just done a quick google, and I believe this answer: "path too deep = generic hardware failure message."
00:39:47linuxstbi.e. it's Windows being unhelpful with its error messages
00:39:49sharpehooray for being generic!
00:40:04FebsHow nice of Microsoft to be specific.
00:40:18obohad "path too deep" once on a old nt4 box, turned out to be a bad network card
00:40:31linuxstbI just read someone say the issue was his IDE cable...
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00:41:38user01linuxstb: IDE cable on local computer?
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00:41:50FebsSorry, user01, I don't have anything else that I can suggest, other than possibly trying a different iPod cable or maybe reformatting the iPod and reinstalling.
00:42:24user01febs: yeah this time ill try transferring music before installing ipod
00:42:26linuxstbuser01: Yes, that was the problem I read here: http://codebetter.com/blogs/sahil.malik/archive/2004/08/30/23742.aspx
00:42:55user01linuxstb: thats strange its a sata drive there isnt an ide cable
00:43:36scorcheuser01: the point is that the "path too deep" error was because of a cable
00:44:55preglowghah, shit
00:45:02preglowi've gotta get a job as a gardner or something
00:45:18*linuxstb needs a gardener...
00:45:20Bagderpreglow: my lawn needs mowing
00:45:29linuxstbI offered first...
00:45:33Bagderdarn
00:45:36scorchei just mowed my lawn...
00:45:42preglowhaha
00:45:43scorcheugh
00:45:45preglowi can mow lawns, sure
00:45:55preglowmy skills with the other elements of a garden is yet untested
00:46:01preglowbut i can try, right!
00:46:22scorchepreglow: my trimmer is broken...you can come by and do that part for me at least
00:46:35preglowwhat, trim with no trimmer? :>
00:46:46scorchei have scissors!
00:46:47user01i think maybe there is a disk error
00:47:13user01is there away to reformat ipod manually without running program?
00:47:18preglowmaybe a gardener/baker combo
00:47:24 Quit Rob2222 ()
00:47:50scorchehmmm...i am craving for some really good sweet rolls
00:47:55 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection)
00:48:03preglowi'm leet at baking rolls and bread
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00:48:09preglownow let's discuss my salary
00:48:20sharpefind a job as a baker... :D
00:48:25user01tried running apple firmware to reset ipod and it stated firmware update failure disk write error.
00:48:27*Febs suspects preglow's salary can be paid in beer.
00:48:28preglowthe hours are hell
00:48:36preglowFebs: beer and a bed :>
00:48:48scorchepreglow: i can provide that!
00:49:13sharpewhat about transportation?
00:49:50 Quit Febs ("Time to go home!")
00:50:08preglowpft, i'll walk
00:50:29user01is there anything in rockbox to reformat ipod?
00:50:38preglowuser01: no
00:50:40sharpeuser01: no.
00:51:24linuxstbNo, but the firmware isn't written to the FAT32 partition - it's written before that on the disk. So it sounds like you have more serious problems.
00:51:42sharpedramatic music
00:51:58user01sharpe: so how do i resolve these problems?
00:52:48user01sharpe: there is nothing on it of value i just got it :p
00:52:56sharpewhich problems?
00:53:01sharpejust formatting?
00:53:12user01sharpe: formatting and starting all over
00:53:32sharpewell, you could just use the ipod updater's restore function...
00:54:09user01which i just tried and didnt work...
00:54:23user01it just freezes
00:54:37linuxstbYou said you've tried both firewire and USB?
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00:55:08user01firewire doesnt work anymore usb sometimes does sometimes doesnt
00:55:11user01mostly doesnt
00:55:54linuxstbSo that mostly rules out your cables and USB/firewire ports being the issue. Which just leaves the ipod...
00:56:14sharpeheheh...
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00:56:28linuxstbif it's a hardware problem, there's not much to do apart from cry...
00:56:39user01wimper
00:56:43sharpesob
00:56:43RibsiPods are unrealiable
00:56:52*Ribs got a extended warrenty with his
00:56:55sharpeweep, also...
00:57:08scorcheapplecare...
00:57:16linuxstbuser01: Do you have a warranty?
00:57:32user01linuxstb: just bought it through apple refurbished
00:57:44user011 yr limited warranty
00:57:54user01only had it a day
00:58:04linuxstbDoes the Rockbox bootloader still show up when you boot?
00:58:09user01yep
00:58:13preglowouch
00:58:21user01linuxstb: can i erase that?
00:58:31user01for warranty issues?
00:58:43linuxstbYou can try using ipodpatcher.exe to rewrite your original bootpartition.bin - if you kept it.
00:59:16user01if it was in the steps i might have...
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00:59:50linuxstbThe instructions advise you to keep it, and definitely don't say to delete it.
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01:02:41user01oh wait i think the refreshed hosed the filesystem phew!
01:03:13user01www.apple.com/support/ipod ! error messaeg on boot now
01:03:50linuxstbGood :) Now delete the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder if you can.
01:04:19linuxstbYou'll have to force it into disk mode - reset using MENU+SELECT and then hold PLAY+SELECT
01:04:38preglowthen empty the garbage can...
01:04:54sharpepreglow: i already did that today...
01:05:10sharpethere were some cans and papers in it.
01:05:14user01it just says ok to disconnect
01:05:30user01and disk mode
01:05:40user01and it wasnt connected to anything when i rebooted it
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01:06:26esotericheyo
01:06:39esotericjust installed rockbox for the first time, freaking sweet so far
01:06:43esotericthanks :D
01:07:19 Nick merbanan is now known as CommanderInCheif (n=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se)
01:07:47esotericcheif?
01:08:09scorchei before e except after c
01:08:34scorcheor when sounded like eh as in neighbor and weigh?
01:08:46esotericword says Chief :P
01:10:19Mikachuch isn't c
01:10:32esotericso i have a question, im using rockbox on my 5g ipod and i want to do filetree music listing instead of gay itunes tag database. do I need to delete all the music already on my ipod and just copy the music by hand to the ipod?
01:10:45Mikachuyes
01:11:14esotericthought as much
01:11:31esotericthis is such as sweet program, going to save me hours and hours of tag editing
01:11:35Mikachuyou could in theory use the tag info to rename them with some program, but it would probably take longer
01:12:13esotericmy files are already named right
01:12:14esotericand organized
01:12:18esotericso this is perfect
01:13:05esotericso everything under ipod_control/music delete and just copy like normal?
01:13:50linuxstbIf you don't want to use the apple firmware, just delete the entire ipod_control folder.
01:14:12user01weird the program is working to format the ipod on the other computer
01:14:27esotericif something goes awry, could i also just copy it back linux?
01:15:21linuxstbYes. Or just let the apple firmware and/or itunes recreate it.
01:15:30esotericahhh clever.
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01:18:06esotericit always amazed how simple the ipods menus and options were
01:30:30user01hmmm you wont believe this...
01:31:13user01i went to an old 900 Mhz computer and am able to run to restuaration in french on it :P
01:31:40user01ai usb 1.1 speed
01:32:29user01does it matter what folder i put tunes into?
01:35:08spiorfhi, can i use rockbox with ipodlinux and apple's original firmware all together in my ipod nano?
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01:35:29preglowyea
01:36:08spiorfthe key combination to boot the original firmware will boot the ipodlinux bootloader?
01:36:24linuxstbYou only need one bootloader...
01:36:39spiorfand how i choose what to boot?
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01:37:28linuxstbIf you use the Rockbox bootloader, you will get Rockbox by default, the Apple firmware if you hold MENU whilst booting, and Linux if you hold PLAY whilst booting.
01:37:43linuxstbIf you use ipodloader2 from the ipodlinux project, you'll get a customisable menu.
01:37:56sharpei still have my customizable bootloader... :D
01:38:10user01dont ask me how but i was able to restore my ipod on a different computer...
01:38:28sharpeuser01: how?
01:38:30spiorfi have to install rockbox before or after installing ipodlinux?
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01:38:44linuxstbIt's best to install ipodlinux first, as it requires repartitioning.
01:39:00linuxstbFor Rockbox, you just download a zip file and unzip it to your ipod's FAT partition.
01:39:09user01an older french version of windows :D
01:39:36sharpeheh...
01:39:41user01i just basically hit a bunch of buttons and it worked...
01:39:46sharpeso much for being rhetoric...
01:40:02spiorfwow, i have already installed ipodlinux
01:41:01linuxstbspiorf: Do you have a boot menu already then?
01:41:21spiorfnovimon, but i can try to install ipodloader2
01:41:50spiorfis this necessary? or this howto −− http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall#iPod
01:41:54spiorfwill work?
01:42:10spiorfwith ipodloader 1 i mean
01:42:11user01firewire is working again on other computer! only one thing left...try to install rockbox again!
01:42:31linuxstbspiorf: No - you need to replace loader1 with either loader2 or the Rockbox bootloader.
01:43:54spiorfthere is on the wiki instructions to configure ipodloader2 to boot rockbox?
01:44:07sharpethere is in the ipodlinux wiki
01:45:57linuxstbspiorf: There's no configuration needed - just download the rockbox.zip for your ipod from the daily builds page and unzip it to your ipod.
01:46:14linuxstbThe ipodloader2 menu will auto-detect it and display a Rockbox option.
01:47:06spiorfthe tecnology is amazing :)
01:47:30ZweiundvierzigAmerican ISP Verizon is blocking non-US mail! < ahaha xD
01:47:45 Quit Rob2222 ()
01:48:10spiorfthey are safe now, no spam comes from US
01:49:32***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:50:44spiorfinstalling themes from WpsIpodNano is simply a matter of unpacking in root, right?
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01:58:54user01hmmm rockbox doesnt work with firewire
01:58:57linuxstbspiorf: Check the paths in the zip files first - you may need to unzip them into the .rockbox folder
01:59:18linuxstbuser01: Rockbox doesn't detect it, no. You'll need to manually put your ipod in disk mode.
01:59:20spiorfyes i see
01:59:35user01linuxstb: how do i do this?
02:00
02:00:19linuxstbIf you're in Rockbox, hold MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately hold PLAY+SELECT
02:00:33linuxstb... and then insert your firewire cable.
02:00:55user01linuxstb: si it dangerous that it was already inserte?
02:01:12linuxstbNo. It probably makes no difference...
02:01:26linuxstbThat's just the order I would do things in.
02:01:35user01linuxstb: in apps like tetris...adn the text editor ...how do you exit?
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02:02:09linuxstbEither SELECT+MENU or (if it's not used for something else) MENU by itself will exit plugins.
02:02:14esotericanyone have a decent estimate of the increased battery drain from rockbox compared to ipod's default?
02:03:01user01linuxstb: its working like its supposed to now thanks for all your help :)
02:03:05linuxstbCheck the IpodRuntime wiki page - I think people have reported more than 10 hours with Rockbox on the 5g.
02:03:31esotericruntime page perfect, thanks man
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02:04:03linuxstbIt's in need of more people performing tests and posting the results, but it will give you a rough idea.
02:04:26linuxstbit would also be interesting to see people doing the same test in Apple's firmware.
02:05:16dj-fu10hours is about normal
02:05:22dj-fuaccording to the apple site, they get 10hours while testing the nano
02:05:29dj-fuand I get roughly 7-8 off ogg 256k playback
02:05:34esoterici think 5g video is supposed to get like 20 hours
02:05:37dj-fus/off/of/
02:05:40esotericplaying just music
02:05:43user01linuxstb: is there a way to have rockbox load apple firware normally using menu + select ?
02:05:43esoteric5g 60gb that is
02:06:01dj-fuuser01: hold 'menu' while it's booting
02:06:13user01dj-fu: thanks!
02:06:15dj-furockbox will say "loading original firmware" and then load iPod
02:06:30dj-fuHold it down as soon as you reboot, it's kinda picky about timing ;]
02:06:36ZweiundvierzigG'night
02:06:42dj-futoodles.
02:07:02user01dj-fu: my guess to what when wrong is that the apple cd didnt go through the procedure of formatting the disk first, and just named it a windows partition when it was actually still an apple one
02:07:49user01grrrrrrr i can listen to ogg and flac files finally this is soooo cool
02:08:28linuxstbuser01: To answer your question - no.
02:09:11user01linuxstb: no... to what?
02:09:29dj-fuyou can't listen to your DRM music.
02:09:46linuxstbuser01: To make Rockbox boot the Apple firmware when you hold MENU+SELECT
02:09:57dj-fuis it menu+select?
02:10:00dj-fuI thought it was just menu
02:10:03*dj-fu hides
02:10:41ZweiundvierzigMenu+Select to reboot, then Menu to boot the Apple firmware
02:10:42Zweiundvierzig:P
02:10:43Zweiundvierzig< Gone
02:10:50linuxstbI thought user01 was asking for Rockbox to default to loading the Apple firmware, rather than defaulting to Rockbox.
02:10:58dj-fuo
02:11:05linuxstbBut maybe I misunderstood...
02:11:09dj-fuMaybe I did ;
02:11:14dj-fuuser01: ask questions properly!
02:11:15user01linuxstb: oh thats a good qusetion too but i was asking the other one first
02:11:54user01linuxstb: i wanted to know both and i got an answer to both and i did it with one question instead of two...so i used a good compression format for the questions
02:12:00linuxstbBut yes, holding MENU immediately after resetting should start the Apple firmware if you time it correctly - the key detection is very picky.
02:12:08dj-futold ya ;
02:12:20*linuxstb should go to sleep
02:12:24*dj-fu nods
02:12:34dj-fuapple firmware sucks
02:12:36dj-fuimho
02:12:52linuxstbIt was a good motivation to get Rockbox ported.
02:13:04dj-fuaye
02:13:28linuxstbAlthough lots of people like it, and just use Rockbox for games....
02:13:50dj-fuI like my oggs
02:14:05user01nah i need my oggs and flacs
02:14:35user01rockbox games are cool though...but i wouldnt haev bought a black and white if that was my sole purpose
02:15:36dj-fuheh, they've just caused less battery life for me
02:15:43dj-fumy woman won't stop playing bejeweled
02:15:49dj-fuor w/ever the hell it is.
02:16:49user01transferring via firewire is nice
02:17:15dj-fumeh
02:17:17dj-fuusb 2.0 is faster
02:17:18dj-fuafaik.
02:18:24dj-fuFireWire 400 can transfer data between devices at 100, 200, or 400 Mbit/s data rates (actually 98.304, 196.608, or 393.216 Mbit/s, but commonly referred to as S100, S200, and S400)
02:18:32dj-fuas opposed to 480Mbit/s w/ usb2.0
02:18:52dj-fuI doubt the hdd based ipods could get anywhere near that, though
02:20:55dj-futhat is unless the firewire is using p1394c or something, with the encoding scheme
02:21:00dj-fuanyway, </monologue> afk.
02:22:14user01is there a way to put a boot password on rockbox? that would be cool
02:24:20sharpeuser01: there has been a previous request for a similar feature
02:25:48esotericis there a way to click a song and add it to any existing playlist?
02:26:25sharpemany, actually...
02:27:24esotericwith default configs or do i need to snoop around for some?
02:27:44user01now to updgrade i just write over the cvs files in the zip ?
02:27:46sharpeoh, i meant to the password-type suggestion
02:28:09sharpeesoteric: hold select on the song and you should get a menu.
02:28:39user01sharpe: would a password solution really work though if all ud need to do would eb to plug it into a usb port?
02:28:57sharpeuser01: nope, wouldn't really be much of use at all.
02:29:43user01unless it could be reformatted with disk encryption
02:31:08sharpeactually, probably better off having another partition that is encrypted; as rockbox works only on a FAT partition.
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02:42:15esotericrobin williams on whose line
02:42:16esotericbadass
02:44:29Mikachua boot password would still be useful if you're at a party or something and don't want someone to accidentally remove all your music
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02:45:43sharpeyeah, but how often is your music only on your ipod, and not somewhere else?
02:46:10Mikachuit would still be an inconvenience at the party, maybe it is away from your computer and you don't have a cable
02:46:31Mikachualthough it would hardly be off in the first place under such circumstances
02:46:34sharpewhat; you don't carry a usb cable with you everywhere you go?
02:46:44Mikachui never carry it
02:46:51sharpesarcasm.
02:47:04Mikachusorry, i had my sarcasm-meter off
02:47:24sharpe:)
02:47:44Mikachua new cable costs more than i would be willing to pay for an mp3 player last time i checked :)
02:47:50Mikachui do not want to lose it
02:49:07sharpewhat kind of player are we talking about?
02:49:12Mikachuipod nano
02:49:14Mikachui won it
02:49:36sharpe(not that it's cheap;) 25$? and 15$ in some cases?
02:51:06sharpewhat kind of cables are you buying?
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03:00:06sharpescorche!
03:00:23scorchei think my modem doesnt like me anymore...
03:00:35sharpeyes, it is now sentient.
03:00:49scorcheit always was
03:00:57sharpesure...
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03:25:47esotericWhen scrolling through music, is there an addin to allow you to pick a letter to jump to? sometimes its a pain to scroll through 400 songs just to get some song starting with t
03:26:58sharpenope.
03:27:03sharpebut you could...
03:27:26sharpenot have 400 songs in one directory? :\
03:27:50esotericwell, its all singles
03:28:05esoterichrmm.. i wonder if that would be do-able some how
03:28:20esotericmy friends dell mp3 player has it, its really handy
03:28:50sharpemaybe use tagcache and sort the songs by the artist...?
03:29:13esoterici hate tags, thats why i go rockbox
03:29:26esotericjust figured i'd ask real quick
03:29:32esoterici got pimp theme though
03:29:41sharpeokay...
03:29:43esotericits amazing what this program can do
03:29:53sharpe:)
03:29:59esotericyou help code?
03:30:14scorchehe is the person we slap when we get frustrated
03:30:16scorche=D
03:30:18sharpenope not a dev; just a 'rockbox expert' in the forums.
03:30:23scorchegrrrr
03:30:24sharpewhich scorche is not... :)
03:30:33scorchewhich no one knows why =O
03:30:46scorchemeh...i rarely post on the forums anyway
03:30:53esoterichaha nice
03:31:07sharpei do, do some coding though.
03:31:31esotericscorche, you dont happen to know if anyone has coded some functionality like that do ya?
03:31:36esotericwhat do you guys code in?
03:31:44sharperockbox is coded in c.
03:31:46scorcheC
03:31:50esotericfrom scratch isnt?
03:31:53sharpeaye.
03:31:59esotericimpressive
03:32:03scorcheesoteric: i have not heard of a plugin of that type
03:32:20sharpei mainly do plugins and such... :)
03:32:34scorcheerrr... *patch
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03:33:17scorchealthough it wouldnt be too hard to press a button combo and each click could go through letters instead of individual entried
03:33:21scorcheugh..i cant type
03:33:21sharpeesoteric: but, you could also change the scrolling speed, to scroll through the list quicker.
03:33:48sharpescorche: yeah. can't do many things, can you?
03:33:52scorcheand there are patches for click wheel acceleration
03:34:01esoterichaha
03:34:05scorchesharpe: and what is that supposed to mean?
03:34:17scorche>_>
03:34:18sharpescorche: oh, nothing, nothing at all...
03:34:19esotericclick through letters would be just as good
03:34:21scorche<_<
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03:35:07scorcheesoteric: i think that the hardest part about that is setting up the button combo to initiate that mode =P
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03:35:52esotericcould you point me at a faq or tutorial to get me started? :D
03:36:18sharpeyeah, scorche. get him started.
03:36:41scorcheesoteric: do you know c?
03:37:06esotericoh no
03:37:15esoterici thought it was going to be a cfg editing crap
03:37:18sharpeoh noes...
03:37:43esotericah nm then sorry boutthat
03:37:49scorchenp =)
03:38:12*scorche glares at sharpe
03:38:13esotericthe extent of my editing/'coding' anymore is .cfg and excel macros ;)
03:38:30esoterici can uninstall itunes finally hooray!
03:38:41sharpethere are plenty of tutorials on c around...
03:39:08scorcheyeah, sharpe, get him started.
03:39:18sharpeyeah. i will.
03:39:51sharpegoogle 'c programming tutorials'
03:39:55sharpe:D
03:40:42esoteric<3 google
03:43:53esotericso aside from make badass mp3 player programs, what do you guys do
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03:44:16sharpei can't really speak for much anyone else, except for scorche, maybe.
03:46:07sharpein his case: nothing of importance.
03:46:29esoterichaha
03:48:39esoterici think im going to try a theme
03:48:44esotericmake, that is.,
03:48:59sharpegood luck?
03:49:00esoterici used to love making themes for litestep; you fellas ever use that?
03:49:13sharpei did for a few minutes...
03:49:33scorchesharpe: ...
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03:49:45sharpethen i just used bblean, and now SharpE; which has no connection with me whatsoever.
03:49:58sharpescorche: :)
03:50:30scorchesharpe: dont be hatin' just because my handle is one letter longer
03:50:52sharpeyes, i'm so envious of that one letter.
03:50:57scorchei know
03:51:10scorchesorry that i mentioned it, but you were getting a bit out of hand
03:51:31scorchehad to something that would produce a sobering effect on you
03:51:37scorche*do
03:51:47sharpebut mine takes less space to send, making it quicker to transmit my messages...
03:52:15scorcheauto-completion ftw
03:52:23sharpeindeed.
03:53:24sharpei still need to find something to do.
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03:59:50esotericread a book?
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04:00:04sharpenot preferred
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04:02:04sharpemeh, dunno.
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04:02:44{EDF}SSseen Mikachu
04:07:05sharpeMikachu was last seen an hour and fourteen minutes ago.
04:07:22{EDF}SSthanks
04:07:28sharpeanytime.
04:07:34scorche!leave sharpe
04:07:35sharpeactually, the last time he talked.
04:08:41sharpescorche: Hah.
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04:10:58sharpeflibble flarble.
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04:12:32sharpei'll make a list of all the things i plan on buying.
04:13:29Mikachu{EDF}SS: what is it?
04:13:34toxicfumerockbox seems so dead now
04:13:45sharpetoxicfume: why's that?
04:13:53{EDF}SShi Mikachu - how do I make it stop and charge when I plug it in?!
04:14:02Mikachu{EDF}SS: hold menu
04:14:07Mikachu{EDF}SS: as you insert the cable
04:14:16{EDF}SSsheesh, secret codes to do everything in your build :P
04:14:28Mikachuthat is the code to not stop normally, i inverted the check
04:15:46{EDF}SSholding menu it briefly flashes the usb picture on the screen, then just boots normally
04:16:00Mikachuhm, okay, i never actually tried it
04:16:22Mikachui guess reboot to apple os then, it's what i do
04:16:46{EDF}SSalright...
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04:30:57esotericlala
04:31:10esotericis 3.0 going to have some huge updates in it?
04:31:30sharpeah...
04:31:30scorchebugfixes
04:32:06esotericnice
04:32:08esotericmonth or two?
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04:32:25Mikachuthe hope is that it has been out for 2 months now
04:32:34esoterichaha
04:33:31sharpesure
04:33:35sharpeyay
04:33:36sharpeme
04:33:37sharpeyay!
04:36:35Febsesoteric: 3.0 will have exactly the same features that you currently see in the daily builds.
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04:39:09esotericsharpe; i ended up just dividing my singles in folders from A-M and N-Z
04:39:13esotericmuch easier ;)
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04:44:01sharpeesoteric: heheh
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05:34:17Paul_The_NerdYAY
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05:49:32esotericis there a way to drag and drop playlists into a file and copy it to an ipod with rockbox
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05:49:58Paul_The_NerdRockbox uses M3U playlists. Many programs support generating them
05:50:54esotericnice
05:51:25Paul_The_NerdIn fact, probably most popular audio players, including Winamp and Foobar2000
05:52:47esotericand WMP i believe
05:53:33scorcheWMP uses their own playlists: wpl
05:54:24esotericahh
05:54:29esotericill have to install winamp then
05:55:27Paul_The_NerdJust remember to point it at the files on your player, and not the copies on your HD. ;)
05:55:46sharpewould be quite fun if it still worked.
05:56:59Paul_The_NerdIt does if the directory structure is identical
05:57:34esoterichow do you guys make them?
05:57:55sharpePaul_The_Nerd: yeh.
05:58:13sharpeesoteric: you mean, playlists?
05:58:41esotericyup
05:58:45esotericpersonally
05:58:51sharpewell...
05:59:33sharpei don't usually answer personal questions... but... well... i usually listen to albums at once; from one artist.
05:59:58Paul_The_NerdI use Rockbox to make my playlists
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06:00:41Paul_The_NerdMost of the time I listen to just albums, but sometimes I'll stick two or three ablums in a playlist and save it for future use
06:00:47scorchei use rockbox most of the time as well
06:00:49sharpeindeed
06:00:54esotericahhh
06:01:06esotericso you guys dont usually pick out like 50 random songs like i do ;)
06:01:29scorcheesoteric: i do sometimes....dynamic playlists are great
06:02:02Paul_The_NerdBut picking out 50 random songs is something you'd want to do on the player anyway
06:05:06esoterictrue true
06:06:17scorcheand if i want 50 random songs (that i dont want to pick out), i just play my playlist with every song on there and set it to shuffle
06:06:48Paul_The_NerdThat's what I do too.
06:06:49Paul_The_Nerd:)
06:09:11esotericwelp bout bed time
06:09:17esotericthanks for all the help fellas, have a good one
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06:58:36paperangelis rockbox better than the default firmware on the 5g ipod video? i see support for ogg and such but i dont know if i should change to it
06:59:03sharpeyou can always boot back into the original firmware with rockbox installed
06:59:18paperangelhow do i install it, just put it in the root directory?
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07:00:07sharpehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox
07:00:09sharpehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
07:00:16paperangelthank you
07:00:20sharpeanytime.
07:01:52paperangelis there a mac way?
07:01:57paperangelim on a mac G3
07:02:02sharpeyes
07:02:08sharpehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX
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07:03:35EbErTmac way is a pain
07:03:47EbErTi'd just use a pc for the install
07:04:07EbErTgotta set invisible folders visible on mac too
07:04:12EbErTlike .rockbox
07:04:25paperangelyah, i found it
07:04:29paperangelim a linux man mainly.
07:05:58paperangelwhere you guys from?
07:06:11scorcheall over
07:06:29sharpescorche doesn't really exist though.
07:06:45scorchewell...i exist only in sharpe's dreams
07:06:55sharpehe likes to think he exists.
07:07:19paperangellol.
07:07:36paperangelwhat do you guys do for a living?
07:07:54sharpestuff?
07:08:41scorcheya know....there are 103 people in here....asking those types of questions...is....well...
07:09:23paperangellol
07:09:27sharpehowever only around twenty of them actually participate in/with rockbox on a regular basis. know what i mean?
07:09:34paperangelyes.
07:10:11scorchesharpe: so which 20 are they?....there better not be 21
07:10:25paperangelyou guys dont like telling people about yourselves, do you?
07:10:32sharpescorche: i also said, 'about twenty'
07:10:36scorchei am shy
07:10:39*scorche blushes
07:10:42sharpehence, leaving some variation in the number.
07:10:59scorcheand bored to the point that i would even be responding to this
07:11:01paperangellol
07:11:11*paperangel pokes scorche
07:12:06scorcheo_O
07:13:16paperangellol
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07:14:25sharpewe lose more users that way...
07:15:04scorchehe could have asked #apple for an unbiased opinion of which is better too =P
07:15:39sharpewhat are the chances of that opinion being biased?
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07:28:48paperangelis ipodlinux better than rock box?
07:35:43Bg3rpaperangel depends on what do you want to do on your ipod :P
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07:41:15paperangelhey Bg3r
07:41:40paperangelhave you installed rockbox using mac before?
07:47:30scorchemmmmm....
07:47:36scorche<3 cake batter
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07:49:16paperangelapparently so
07:49:22paperangelyour a whore scorche.
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07:50:04scorchethe sad part about this, is that you have only known me for not quite an hour
07:50:23paperangeli know.
07:51:37Bg3rpaperangel, please, stop talking bullsh.ts or leave, okay ?
07:52:29paperangeli was joking. dont take things so seriously.
07:52:46paperangelsorry, if i offended you.
07:53:16paperangelanywho, how are you scorche?
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09:02:38B4gderhey
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09:04:13acWhat needs to be done for Voice Support?
09:04:32B4gderyou read the docs
09:07:09aci have looked into the docs, but cann't find any todos or fixmes... will check bugtracker
09:07:35B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceHowto
09:07:54B4gderlinked from the page called "Documentation" in the left menu
09:08:43theli_uahm ... i suppose release will include manual :D ?
09:08:56B4gderyeah that's the general plan
09:09:42theli_uahope most will read it...
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09:14:47sharpei just thought i'd say, goodnight everyone.
09:14:52Mikachuold dos games used to ask for a specific word on a specific page in the manual before allowing you to start the game
09:16:54B4gderand old knights had to answer to questions about swallows before being allowed to cross bridges
09:17:19*B4gder ducks
09:17:35sharpeand people with email accounts have to enter a password before accessing their account.
09:17:38Mikachumaybe they were on to something
09:18:10sharpemaybe something like, a password-like system...
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09:28:56amiconnB4gder: (theoretical question so far) Would it be possible to put multiple build servers behind one NAT router?
09:29:13amiconn..i.e. is it possible to use a non-standard ssh port?
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09:30:03B4gderamiconn: yeah, should indeed be possible
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09:38:42petur'morning....
09:39:37Zagorgotta love antivirus programs
09:39:42B4gdermorning!
09:40:20*petur thinks the recording screen needs a clear visual indication of what it's doing
09:40:30Zagorsome moronic antivirus-scanner in Birmingham has been downloading 78GB from download.rockbox.org the last two days
09:40:37peturtook me half a show to see I wasn't recording :(
09:41:02Zagor437 copies of our vmware environment
09:41:06B4gder78 gigabytes are many gigabytes
09:41:21Zagorblew up my bandwidth quota quite good, it did
09:41:48peturmaybe somebody used some tool to map webspace to a drive
09:42:04peturand his virusscanner checked it out....
09:42:29JdGordonits apple trying to destroy us..
09:42:35earHertzBirmingham England or Birmingham Alabama USA?
09:42:35peturhahaha
09:42:43B4gderUK
09:43:01earHertzah, good
09:43:09peturmust have blown that user's bandwidth too
09:43:31B4gderyeah, it was from a single IP address and it is within a small range
09:43:44earHertzdon't weant the US to look any stupider than we have too
09:43:50earHertzto
09:43:54chendoeh
09:43:59chendoyou guys need to host stuff?
09:44:03ZagorearHertz: odds are it was a US scanner :-)
09:44:08B4gderhaha
09:44:10peturrofl
09:44:14chendoi have 2TB on a dreamhost webhosting i want to use ;/
09:44:21chendo2tb of bandwidth, that is
09:44:33B4gder2tb is a lot
09:44:42chendoyes, yes it is
09:44:50chendoi only use like 5% and i'm hosting like 20 sites
09:44:53earHertzZagor: yeah, and we elected Bush. America's looking bad these days.
09:45:24*earHertz pretens to be French or something
09:45:39peturearHertz: if you elected Bush, you don't *look* bad, you *are* ;)
09:46:12earHertzpetur: well, I gave up my rent-controlled apartment to go to Ohio and work for Kerry, but yes, you're right
09:46:23Zagorchendo: thanks, but we're doing fine as it is. it's just annoying to find stuff like this.
09:46:27chendok
09:46:31chendoif you need any hosting just ask
09:46:35Zagoryup, thanks
09:47:49earHertzIn Europe, if you vote in the wrong place, does your vote count?
09:48:25Zagorwe are many countries with different laws, you know :-)
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09:48:42earHertzyes, I know: but in your country?
09:48:55B4gderno, we can't vote in the wrong place afaik
09:49:04B4gderthey don't accept your vote then
09:49:11earHertzah, ok
09:49:27B4gdernot that I tried ;-)
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09:49:51earHertzsame in Ohio; I put together a databse for Kerry's campiagn to send voters to the right polling place
09:53:45Bg3rthere was a slogan on a meeting with "The only bush i trust is mine. and a picture of pubic hair below it" :D
09:56:04Bg3rhttp://www.bradblog.com/Images/BushBlowJobImpeach_Med.jpg
09:56:22earHertz;)
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10:14:38spiorfhi, i cannot boot the original apple's firmware in my ipod nano
10:14:45spiorfwhat should i put in the ipodloader.conf file?
10:14:51spiorfi'm using ipodloader 2.4
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10:15:04B4gderspiorf: that's the ipodlinux loader
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10:17:02spiorfi know
10:18:54earHertzspiorf: B4gder's point might be that you should as in an ipodlinux forum
10:19:21B4gderI would assume such a forum would be more likely to provide useful answers
10:19:43B4gderyou use ipodlinux loader and you want to load apple OF
10:19:50B4gderit doesn't say rockbox anywhere
10:20:15spiorfwell, i was told here to use ipodloader 2 to boot apple/linux/rockbox
10:20:27midkayrockbox's loader can do that too..
10:20:28B4gderyes, you can do that
10:20:34spiorfi don't pretend any help
10:20:37earHertzmidkay: it can??
10:20:52midkayearHertz, sure, just as MENU = appleos, PLAY = /linux.bin
10:21:13spiorfi just asked. if someone knows the answer and want to help me i'm happy
10:21:15earHertzmidkay: What do I ned to do, add an ipodlinix partition?
10:21:45linuxstbspiorf: You were told that you could use either ipodloader2 or the Rockbox bootloader... But afaik, you don't need a config file for ipodloader2 - it's optional.
10:21:54midkayearHertz, yes.. probably even 100mb is fine, an ext3 partition anywhere..
10:22:11*earHertz is trying to use the ipodlinuux arm emulator to do some arm assembly coding for rockbox linux
10:22:19midkaylinux.bin goes in root of rockbox partition.. everything else goes according to instructions
10:22:45earHertzso i's use teh ipodlinux bootloader?
10:22:59midkayno....
10:23:05midkayrockbox's bootloader can do it, as i just said.
10:23:25spiorfi'll try with a clean installation
10:23:50earHertzoh!
10:24:11earHertzI put linux.bin in the root of my filesystem partition?
10:24:30linuxstbearHertz: For the Rockbox bootloader, yes - in the FAT32 partition.
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10:25:10earHertzhow well does ipodlinux work on a g5/ipod video?
10:25:38B4gderearHertz: http://download.rockbox.org/movies/ <= numerous movies showing it
10:26:11B4gderhm, in fact only one mentions it ;-)
10:26:19earHertz;)
10:28:24earHertzam I wrong, or is memcpy NOT written in asembly for ARM targets?
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10:29:06linuxstbearHertz: Sounds right to me. It's one of the many things to be done for the ARM ports.
10:29:20linuxstbI think only memset has an ARM version.
10:29:35earHertzhow'd we get memset and not mmecpy??
10:29:51linuxstbSomeone wrote memset, but non-one wrote memcpy...
10:29:57linuxstb^no-one
10:30:03earHertzrhetorical question
10:30:30B4gderthere's a memcpy.S for arm in the Linux kernel
10:30:49earHertzin ipodlinux?
10:31:00B4gderin the standard linux kernel
10:31:06B4gderso it should be in ipodlinux too
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10:32:04earHertzwe shopuld steal it. especauly if it uses ldmxx instructions
10:32:33linuxstbGo ahead. I'm pretty sure the memset was taken from elsewhere.
10:32:58earHertzwell, I want to run it through aremulater before ai do anything'
10:33:12linuxstbYes, the memset is from the Linux kernel as well.
10:35:28elljaywhat are some good urls for rockbox devl?
10:35:31B4gderls -1 linux-2.6.17.1/arch/arm/lib/*.S | wc -l
10:35:31B4gder50
10:35:39B4gderlots of fine assembler there ;-)
10:36:10B4gderelljay: www.rockbox.org then click "documentation" ;-)
10:36:16earHertzI didn't even know standard linux targeted arm machines
10:36:22B4gderhehe
10:36:25earHertzdamed open source developers
10:36:32B4gderI run linux on arm at work all days
10:36:33elljaythere is alot of arm development for linux
10:36:43elljayembedded devices
10:36:53B4gderthe Linux arm port is very mature
10:37:32earHertzI've been looking at hotdog;s arm assembly for teh ipod video lcd
10:37:47earHertzI understand −− wel;l, most of it, but some of teh details elude me
10:40:32merbananB4gder: what was the block alignment size in the MI4 files ?
10:41:08B4gderyou mean file size? 0x400
10:41:36merbananyes that was it, thanks
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10:45:21*linuxstb has a Nokia 770 running ARM linux...
10:45:40scorchehow is that?
10:45:48scorcheit seemed too much of a niche product to me
10:45:54scorchejust internet tablet and all
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10:46:05linuxstbWhat do you mean "how"?
10:46:26scorchehow do you like that?
10:46:51linuxstbIt's growing on me. It's cool for listening to web radio...
10:47:03scorchedo you really use it that much though?
10:47:08linuxstbBut I may be doing a Real Work project using it, so I didn't pay for it myself.
10:47:19scorcheenough to warrent its cost?
10:47:22merbananB4gder: do you know at what offset the firmware is in the flash of PP based players ? :)
10:47:26scorcheah
10:47:49linuxstbNo, I probably wouldn't have bought it myself - I would prefer to use a laptop.
10:48:06B4gdermerbanan: I have no idea
10:48:13linuxstbIt's main flaw IMO is that it tries to do more than its 220MHz ARM processor can cope with.
10:48:30B4gder220 MHz is not a lot when you have a big screen
10:48:34linuxstbBut a Rockbox port would fly....
10:48:49earHertzHow big is teh Nokia's screen?
10:49:18*B4gder once ran linux+qt on a 300MHz xscale on 800x600
10:49:55earHertzB4gder: qt? a zsaurus?
10:50:07B4gderno, custom board/display thing
10:50:11B4gderReal Work
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10:50:33earHertzB4gder: what IS your real work?
10:50:52B4gderembedded development, hired professional
10:51:02B4gderI sell myself to anyone who pays ;-)
10:51:19Bg3rlike a ...
10:51:24Bg3r:D
10:51:28earHertzso, somebody wants to program a cell phone or camera, you're the consultant?
10:51:35B4gderyeps
10:51:46earHertzsweet
10:51:46B4gderquite a lot of embedded linux these days
10:52:05earHertzI only get hired to do databses and java front-ends
10:52:07linuxstbearHertz: It's a 800x480 16-bit colour touchscreen.
10:52:38earHertzI was looking at a C++ job lately −− I'm actually pretty good at C__. It paid about half what java does. despite C++ being much more difficult
10:52:56earHertzlinuxstb: the nokia's atouchscreen?
10:53:06linuxstbYep
10:53:30linuxstbIn landscape mode - http://europe.nokia.com/770
10:53:36earHertzthat's twice (ok, four tinmes) the dimensions of my zauruas
10:53:39B4gderI can't stand java, no matter what the pay would be ;-)
10:53:57earHertzB4gder: well, me too.Java is really more based on C than C++
10:54:04earHertzBut, it pays.
10:54:41B4gderlinuxstb: does the 770 have any plug for ethernet or is it wlan only?
10:54:51scorchewireless
10:54:54scorcheonly
10:54:56linuxstbYes, just wlan.
10:55:05earHertzbuilt in wifi?
10:55:09scorcheyup
10:55:13linuxstbI think you can set up networking via usb if you really want to.
10:55:39earHertzdo they have keyboards?
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10:55:44B4gderI find the nokia pages on the 770 very uninformative
10:55:47linuxstbNot a real one.
10:55:52earHertzthumb?
10:56:01linuxstbB4gder: Yes, Nokia have (in the last 24 hours) completely broken their website...
10:56:08B4gderoh
10:56:21linuxstbIf you had checked a couple of days ago, you would have found lots of info.
10:56:33earHertzI actually prefer thumb keyboard. I have little tiny hands
10:57:33B4gdernokia770.com seems better
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10:57:50linuxstbThe open source effort surrounding it is at http://www.maemo.org - I think most of the "userland" stuff is open sourced, but I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of binary kernel modules...
10:58:44B4gderI bet, with a TI chip inside...
10:59:15earHertzis there a linux you can put on a nokia? If it''s 800x480 with a keyboard, I could program on it
10:59:50B4gderearHertz: it runs linux already
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11:00:10earHertza linux I could run scite or kate on?
11:00:16B4gderI guess
11:00:25earHertzand gcc?
11:00:29B4gdersure
11:00:41B4gderis a plain arm linux
11:00:59earHertzcpul;d I do that and still use it as a phone?
11:01:06linuxstbBagder: Although it's one of the more open TI chips - the OMAP 1710, which I believe is compatible with another OMAP chip (15xx, I forget), for which TI actually make a datasheet available...
11:01:18B4gderearHertz: the 770 is not really a phone
11:01:25B4gderaha
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11:01:28earHertzwhat is it?
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11:01:32linuxstbIt's not a phone at all - there's no GSM module.
11:01:57linuxstbAlthough VOIP is about to be supported in the next OS upgrade.
11:04:05earHertzoh, it's a zaurus without a keyboard
11:04:28earHertzsweet, but I want a keyboard
11:05:46earHertzah, time for bed.
11:05:48earHertznight
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11:07:23amiconnlinuxstb: What exactly is the problem with the 770's performance?
11:08:02*amiconn cannot imagine why a 220MHz arm would be too slow for web if a 50MHz 68060 can do it, with a larger screen
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11:11:05linuxstbNo, the web browser is fine. But it's just generally sluggish - e.g. when switching between applications or opening new windows. It also has a video player as one of the core features, but isn't powerful enough to decode video at anywhere near the full resolution the hi-res screen can display.
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11:13:43amiconnMissing optimisation...
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11:14:55linuxstbGood luck getting 25fps 800x480 video working... :)
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11:18:54linuxstbI would be quite tempted to try to get Rockbox running, but it only has 64MB of internal flash disk, and only accepts RS-MMC cards (maximum 1GB at the moment). But when the sim's audio playback works flawlessly, I might be tempted to try to get that working, so I can access my music wirelessly via an NFS share.
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11:31:35EdwardBayneshi there
11:32:36EdwardBaynesi've got a question about rockbox on iriver h120, specifically about the remote
11:33:01markunjust ask
11:33:38EdwardBayneswhen i'm in the filetree view, pushing the remote's volume control will scroll all shown filenames to the right or left, resp.
11:33:48EdwardBayneswhich ich find _very_ useful
11:34:00EdwardBaynesbut how can this be done without the remote?
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11:34:27markunno idea. Didn't even know it was possible with the remote
11:34:59EdwardBaynesit isn't mentioned in the manual, either
11:35:05EdwardBaynesa "hidden feature" :)
11:35:22peturhold play + joystick I think it is
11:35:35EdwardBayneshmm, i'll try this
11:36:04bam_what feature?
11:36:28peturscroll file list left/right
11:36:50EdwardBaynescool, play+joystick does the trick :)
11:37:04EdwardBaynesthanks a lot
11:37:34EdwardBaynescu
11:37:46*petur waves
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11:42:58spiorfthere is a way to kill a hung plugin?
11:43:24theli_uai think reboot only
11:43:32louya
11:43:36loureboot
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11:46:55spiorfand to exit from plugins, there is a default key combo?
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11:48:00JdGordonno
11:48:16JdGordonmost use the same, but no default
11:48:27JdGordonstop/off usually is quit
11:48:47JdGordonor select and menu for ipoo
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11:50:34spiorfok thanks
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12:37:05Genre9mp3http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/sandisk/
12:37:19Genre9mp38GB Sansa is on the way....
12:37:22B4gderkind of expected
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12:37:30B4gdersince the 6GB has a 4+2 setup
12:38:36B4gderstill neat though
12:38:51*Genre9mp3 wonders when are we going to see 8+GB NAND flash chips
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12:40:51Genre9mp3They seem that they really want to support their product... that's good
12:41:48tucozLet's hope they will do what they can to help a possible rockbox port
12:41:56amiconnB4gder: Any news regarding hw docs / sdk?
12:46:54B4gderno news at all on that front
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13:07:29flux__say, anyone ever thought that having usb sound device support would be nice?-) apparently the wishlist tracker doesn't have that..
13:08:03flux__(I just installed rockbox today on my iRiver iHP-120, and it's great!)
13:08:24B4gderthat can't be done on the h120
13:08:35flux__hmm, how is that?
13:08:41markunflux__: no usb host
13:08:42B4gderbecause of how the usb hw works on it
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13:08:47B4gderit is a pure usb-storage device
13:09:07flux__so it has some separate usb-storage hardware, the os doesn't implement it?
13:09:12B4gderyes
13:09:22flux__funny decision
13:09:25B4gdernot really
13:09:29flux__cheaper?-)
13:09:30B4gdervery common
13:09:44B4gdera lot easier => cheaper
13:09:56flux__I would've imagine integration would be the key. but I suppose this way the cpu doesn't need to be connected to usb..
13:10:35B4gderright, the usb bridge chip takes over instead of the cpu
13:12:12flux__well, too bad, but thanks for input
13:12:34B4gderon the h3x0 it should be possible
13:13:24flux__I can see that being useful to some people, though
13:13:46flux__a second audio output to the workstation/laptop, with optic out
13:13:52flux__and likely of better sound quality
13:14:18flux__(less interference from the machine components, which are quite audible on my workstation at low volumes)
13:14:46B4gderwell, the h1x0 has digital out already
13:15:09flux__yes, but cannot be used for that task (for example streaming music from the net)
13:15:47B4gderI'm only saying that you won't get better output than so, even if you'd pass it over usb to your pc
13:16:06flux__uh, I meant the other way
13:16:14B4gderah
13:16:15flux__the device would appear as a usb sound card to the pc
13:16:26B4gderwell, the h1x0 has digital in as well
13:16:35flux__can it work as pass-through?
13:16:48B4gderit can
13:16:51flux__hm, I guess it does that in the recording even with the standard firmware
13:17:11flux__this workstation doesn't have digital output, though ;)
13:17:27flux__hm, maybe doesn't have
13:18:55flux__this is some ibm pc with integrated sound (Intel 82801DB-ICH4/Analog Devices AD1981B), the mixer doesn't suggest that
13:19:22flux__anyway, the usb sound card would be more universally useful, even if it wouldn't be of use to me ;)
13:19:44markunflux__: you can build a USB sound card with optical out..
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13:21:39flux__that's a worthwhile option
13:22:36flux__I've considered another alternative though, a signal diminisher (word?) to my head phone connection would allow me to use higher columes, with less interference
13:22:51*petur wonders if the reports about h300 retail os boot failures ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5050.0 ) are related to the eeprom corruption
13:23:00flux__(-50dB on iRiver is a nice volume for me)
13:23:03*petur encounters work :(
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13:23:19flux__work caught the poor fellow ;(
13:23:51B4gderanother innocent work victim
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13:40:04SanForVendettahey
13:40:08MmmmRight...I've decided to do a bit of work on the 3.0 release
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13:40:20Mmmmremote support needs sorting right?
13:40:23Sanitranyone know the exact measurements for the H300 stock battery?
13:40:37Sanitror link?
13:40:51Sanitri wasn't sure if the wiki would have it, so I tought i'd ask first
13:40:56scorcheas in size?...or specs?
13:41:02Bg3rSanitr ~20h 128kbps mp3
13:41:09Bg3rand disk power off enabled
13:41:19Sanitrno, size, as in cm or inches
13:41:21scorcheor that >_>
13:41:25scorchea-ha!
13:41:28MmmmI've made a couple of patches already, one to finish the display code in the recording screen and one to enable the remote for the 'enable bookmarks' screen
13:41:39Sanitrlike, lenght X width X depth
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13:41:59Bg3rMmmm where are these patches ?
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13:42:04Lynx_what do i have to press to boot into the original iriver firmware again?
13:42:06B4gderMmmm: ah, didn't see you. I made you a "developer" in flyspray now
13:42:20Mmmmhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5614 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5613
13:42:20Mmmm
13:42:30Mmmmooh ta b4gder
13:42:47Bg3rhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iriver_H300_series wow
13:43:01Mmmmwhat else needs doing on the remote? does anyone know what's not working yet?
13:46:02Bg3rMmmm the virtual keyboard
13:46:27Mmmmthat sounds like fun..:D
13:46:38Bg3ryeah
13:46:56Bg3ra pervert kind of fun
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13:48:17Mmmmheh heh...
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13:51:44flux__speech recognition could be a nice alternative ;)
13:52:01MmmmB4gder: how do I edit the attachment in the original task post?
13:52:51B4gderI don't know
13:53:01Mmmmah!
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13:53:03markunMmmm: a complete list of things that don't work with the remote: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5191
13:53:23Mmmmooh thanks markun...that's what i was after ;)
13:53:39markunI just unassigned myself because I don't have time for it
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13:56:59Lynx_i have a little problem with my h300: the battery is empty, and as i forgot the charger again i would like to charge via usb. when i start the box by pluggin in usb, the rb bootloader comes, shows a battery warning, and then the iriver firmware starts, but reboots before the menu comes.
13:58:10Mmmmmarkun: do you think the entries in the debug menu really need fixing as it's not really part of the final release?
13:58:20Lynx_rockbox does not charge via usb (yet), does it?
13:58:59Mmmmmarkun: for 3.0 release that is!
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14:01:23MmmmB4gder: does developer status in flyspray mean I have CVS access?
14:01:35B4gdernope
14:01:36XavierGrno AFAIK
14:01:37linuxstb_Mmmm: My vote would be to ignore the debug screens - they're clearly marked "keep out" :)
14:01:52B4gderI agree
14:02:09Mmmmok..that'll make things a lot easier! :)
14:02:19flux__"KEEP OUT!" "mmmm... must.. resist.. clicking.."
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14:08:30flux__is there an mp3-player with wireless connectivity yet out there?
14:08:39flux__excluding cell phones
14:13:17markunMmmm: no, I don't think so
14:13:48Mmmmok.. just wondering! :)
14:14:00markunBut it would be nice if you could at least get out of it with the remote control
14:14:25markunEven if you don't show anything on the remote screen (like 'no remote support' or something)
14:15:22Mmmmdon't a worry... it's all in hand :) although typing FOR_NB_SCREENS and screens[i]. over and over again is getting a bit waring!
14:17:22MmmmI'll look at them maybe after ive finished the others...
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14:20:07ryranwoo woo
14:20:52markunMmmm: thanks
14:21:29XavierGrif the remote is done, then we need proper voice playback and langv2 fixes
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14:35:03MmmmI know its cheeky but could someone commit this small change..It'll make my life a bit easier! :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5615
14:38:04Mmmmor ill have to add a comment in each patch that says this must be applied first - very messy and a pain for me adding and subtracting this each time it's needed
14:40:48MmmmB4gder: what do you think?
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14:42:15MmmmPetur!
14:42:35MmmmI don't suppose you fancy doing a tiny commit for me?
14:43:03petursure, in a few hours.... *maybe* tonight I have time :\
14:43:18Mmmmok.. did you look at it?
14:43:24Mmmmits very small!
14:44:22peturit is
14:44:27Mmmm:)
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14:45:21peturdoes that mean that settings are not accessible by remote at the moment?
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14:46:57peturand why (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD) around remote key defs?
14:47:00MmmmYes, some types anyway...The ones that aren't supported yet! :P
14:47:54MmmmI've just copied that from other places could I put H300_REMOTE ?
14:48:11peturdon't know that part of the code
14:48:36Mmmmit comes up all over the place when the remote keys are defined!
14:49:12Mmmm(so you can use the remote with h300s)
14:49:13peturoh, is that to define those keys for a h100 remote on an h300?
14:49:19Mmmmyes!
14:49:22peturah
14:49:35*petur hears some coins drop on the floor
14:49:39Mmmm:D
14:50:18peturWell I'll look at it tonight if nobody did before me
14:50:29Mmmmok...cheers! :)
14:50:44linuxstb_So what definitions are used for a H300 remote?
14:51:03Mmmmthere are none that ive come across!
14:51:16MmmmI assume they just use the H100 defs
14:51:36peturwe need a dev that has all three remotes and two players ;)
14:51:52Mmmm3 remotes?
14:51:58linuxstb_I have one remote and one player (both h100)...
14:52:20linuxstb_h300 remote with or without an lcd.
14:52:21Mmmmgood start linuxstb! :D
14:52:29Mmmmahh!
14:52:49peturI have h100 lcd remote and h340
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14:53:50MmmmIhave 2 h100 remotes and an H140...doesnt help though....what is an H300 remote like? does it have the same buttons?
14:54:18flux__my h120 remote is slightly broken ;(, I guess they don't sell those anymore?
14:54:25flux__(are more recent ones compatible?)
14:55:35peturthey should all be compatible afaik
14:56:00MmmmQuote from the forum "the iRiver H300 LCD Remote buttons are bugged in the CVS, but are fixed with a patch already in Flyspray."
14:57:05peturThe problem is testing if you don't have such a remote, and I hate 'blind commit' (ie without testing)
14:58:28MmmmGood point...I'll ignore all that then...we should leave it as just (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD) till we know better eh?
14:59:18wehnFlux: in australia JB HiFi was selling surplus remotes (actually from iMP550 but compatible) for $50 each.
14:59:41wehnflux: also available on ebay..
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15:01:57flux__well.. the iriver ones cost 29EUR + shipping.
15:04:53flux__shipping 23 EUR :)
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15:09:33wehniMP550 is another iriver player (CD based) with essentially identical remote as H100.
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15:10:29x1jmphow can I use the led() function inside of a plugin?
15:12:01linuxstb_You'll need to add it to the plugin API - see apps/plugin.[ch]
15:15:04petura swiss API :p
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15:27:35ryranhey guys.. are there any known issues with people being unable to get dircache to initialize?
15:28:05linuxstb_I know tagcache can be troublesome, but I've never heard about issues with dircache.
15:28:45ryranwhen I first installed rockbox on my ipod I enabled it, but given that it was my first time using that feature I had no idea what to expect
15:28:50ryranI forgot about it.
15:29:11ryranthen I read some stuff about it the other day and realized that MY rockbox was not performing as if it had dircache enabled
15:29:25ryransomehow, I got it to start.. and it was working for a couple days
15:29:39ryranbut after getting a new build ... now it's not
15:30:03ryranand of course I re-enabled it and have tried rebooting multiple times
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15:31:23ryranugh. I just did it the third time and it scanned the disk
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15:31:47ryrandon't know what to make of that...
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15:42:40MmmmIhave completed remote support for rockbox info page http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5616 ... just need that tiny patch committed..(pleeeease anybody?)
15:43:14Mmmm(http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5615)
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17:27:56Lynx_can i charge my h300 somehow when it's almost completly empty and i have only a usb connection to charge it?
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17:30:14peturLynx_: I think it's best to use iriver firmware and configure it to be connected to a powered hub
17:30:40Lynx_petur: yes, but when i start it, it starts loading the iriver firmware and then reboots to the rockbox bootloader again
17:31:09Lynx_does the iriver firmware not start when battery is too low and the charger is not connected, only usb?
17:31:10peturoh, battery is _that_ low....
17:31:38Lynx_well, it just ran out of battery when i was listening to music normally. mabye rockbox allows it to go down a little too far
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17:32:24peturcan you boot into rockbox and plug in the usb?
17:33:09peturif it was configured correctly in retailos it can draw power from usb I think
17:33:28Lynx_ah, i did not know it could
17:33:35peturI'm not that up-to-date on the rb powerhandling however
17:33:36Lynx_hmm, now it does not start anymore at all
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19:22:38webguest53hi
19:22:51Paul_The_Ner2Hello
19:22:52webguest53how must i instal new firmware
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19:23:02webguest53fo a iaudio x5
19:23:15Paul_The_NerdHave you read the installation instructions at Rockbox.org?
19:23:24webguest53no
19:24:07Paul_The_Nerdhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot <−− Follow the steps here. Then extract (unzip) a daily build onto the root of your player.
19:25:01webguest53thanks
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19:32:31egotrippeni need some patching help
19:32:56egotrippeni've got two patches that modify english.lang, and i can't get them both to apply
19:33:40egotrippenwhat do i look for to fix one of the patches so it'll apply after the other one?
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19:36:39Paul_The_NerdYou can just take the rejects from the second one and manually insert them...
19:39:02egotrippenok
19:39:21egotrippeni think i got that going, testing it now
19:40:03egotrippenit seems like it would be something easy, like just tell it another few lines down
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19:40:20Paul_The_NerdYup
19:40:23egotrippenbut yeah, i'm pretty sure i got it going manually
19:40:34Paul_The_NerdIn the case of the lang files, at least, you should be able to just insert new strings.
19:41:32egotrippeni changed the code of the second .patch file so it looked right, but i didn't mess with the line numbers
19:41:39egotrippenand it told me 'malformed patch'
19:42:20*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
19:42:21egotrippenbut yeah, this definately worked. it's past the part where it failed before
19:42:25Paul_The_NerdHehehe
19:42:54egotrippen*sigh
19:43:04egotrippencomputers... there's always a simple solution
19:43:08egotrippenbut it's never the simplest one
19:44:06egotrippenthanks. i'm pretty sure i'm at the point where i can't imagine more functionality i would need
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19:44:20egotrippenH300 battery issue fixed, audioscrobbler support, and random album play
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19:44:47egotrippenmy dap life is complete lol
19:45:55Paul_The_NerdHahaha
19:46:09Paul_The_NerdJust wait, someone will have an idea, and you'll go "ooooooooh"
19:46:27egotrippenhaha
19:46:49egotrippenwell, within hardware limits... DivX video out would be nice
19:47:00egotrippenhm....
19:47:36egotrippeni dunno. can't realy think of anything
19:47:44egotrippenvideo on the little screen doesn't interest me
19:47:50Paul_The_NerdYeah
19:48:08egotrippeneven the games, like i used gameboy for about a month
19:48:10egotrippenrockboy
19:48:37egotrippeni dig FLAC support, and i don't think i could ever use another player without RB's playlisting
19:49:03Paul_The_NerdHehehe
19:49:34egotrippeni was reading about... the Zen Vision M, or some other player like it
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19:49:44egotrippenreading about the playlisting support
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19:50:02egotrippenit just..... ugh. it's useless
19:50:05egotrippenhaha
19:50:25egotrippen've been spoiled
19:51:47Paul_The_NerdYeah, Rockbox has that effect
19:52:09egotrippenmm
19:52:33egotrippeni have the H100 LCD remote
19:52:38egotrippeni never even use it anymore
19:52:55egotrippenlike its main function was to make up for the lack of playlisting
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19:55:29egotrippenah, one thing
19:55:40egotrippena bootloader that doesn't turn on iriver fw when plugged into AC
19:56:09Paul_The_NerdThat's planned for the next version of the bootloader I believe
19:56:21egotrippenyeah, i think so
19:56:42egotrippenthe release todo says 'bootloader relase,' and that seems like the last loose end
19:57:25Paul_The_NerdWell I think there's a few other tweaks relating to the USB code in the bootloader as well
19:57:44egotrippenah
19:57:56*Paul_The_Nerd isn't really sure
19:58:11egotrippeni forgot, there have been a bunch of reports of bootloader USB not working
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20:00:17egotrippeni'm glad there are people wlling to figure these things out
20:00:45egotrippeni'd just get kind of annoyed if code worked one some players of a model, but not others
20:02:03midkayyou could always code it for your own model.. :)
20:02:13egotrippenhaha
20:02:19egotrippeni'm surprised people don't, kind of
20:02:27egotrippen"well, it works for me, buddy"
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20:02:33midkayhaha.
20:02:40mattlhey..
20:02:53egotrippenthey've got more patience than i
20:02:55egotrippenhey
20:02:56*midkay waves
20:03:24mattlmy iPod is dead.. if I'm going to buy a new player, what's the best one to buy to run Rockbox?
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20:03:47Paul_The_NerdDepends on what features you decree are "necessary"
20:03:55midkayhow much storage do you need? color LCD? player size? price?
20:04:17egotrippeni think the word is video ipod, H300, or H100
20:04:49egotrippenH100 for recording and sound quality, 5g ipod for video and tv-out under apple firmware
20:04:55mattlwell, my iPod was a 60gb Photo. I'd like something similar.
20:05:16mattlegotrippen: would that require me to use the proprietary apple firmware though?
20:05:17midkayyou might like the 5G ipod.. you'd be familiar with the controls, it's physically smaller and has a larger LCD, though.
20:05:35egotrippenrockbox is out for the 5g
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20:05:51egotrippenfor video functions you'd have to boot the apple fw, but that's relatively quick
20:05:57midkayyes, the apple firmware is the only thing that really lets you play videos on it at the moment.. but it's very nice for what it does.. H.264 and mpeg-4 video.
20:06:05egotrippenon my H300, iriver firmware booting takes a good 25 seconds
20:06:09mattlnot really that interested in video, tbh.
20:06:17mattlwhat license is Rockbox under?
20:06:30*mattl can't find it on the website
20:06:34midkaygpl.
20:06:42mattlmidkay: w00t.
20:06:58midkayindeed!
20:07:13egotrippenbesides the video, the apple 5g has good HD space for the price
20:07:20midkayso it really depends on what's necessary and what you'd like to have.
20:07:29egotrippenfeature wise, the H300 is a little batter and the H100 is a lot better
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20:07:52mattlwould i run an Apple 5g without running the apple firmware? i think i'll be able to get that on my insurance from the iPod Photo.
20:07:54midkayirivers can record, i also think they both have FM radio..
20:08:12egotrippenright, FM radio
20:08:13mattli don't want to run any proprietary firmware, if i can avoid it.
20:08:28egotrippenunder rockbox they can record from FM, and they have built in microphones
20:08:37midkaymattl, if you don't need video, sure.. audio playback's pretty stable by now, everything's working rather well.. except voice, but that's probably not necessary for you..
20:09:13egotrippenfor iriver H300, you'd only need stock firmware to watch video or record to MP3
20:09:18midkaymattl, beware battery life - maybe only around 8 hours with rockbox. some optimization needs to be done.. that's plenty for many people, don't know if it is for you.
20:09:29egotrippenfor apple 5g, you'd only need stock firmware to watch video or use TV out
20:09:48mattlmidkay: 8 hours will be plenty. i guess Ogg Vorbis would lower that a little further.
20:10:00midkaymattl, not that much, actually. :)
20:10:03midkayhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/IpodRuntime
20:10:06mattlooh.
20:10:16midkayah, one test says 10h ogg..
20:10:29midkayoh. it uses the 64mb buffer mod. yeah.
20:10:38midkaythat's if you get the 60GB version.
20:11:08midkay30GB versions only have 32MB RAM, and rockbox will take advantage of that out-of-the, er.. zip. :)
20:11:41egotrippenif you're not interested in video, recording, or FM radio, the H300 and the 5g ipod are very very similar
20:12:20midkayhe said he can probably get a 5G for an exchange, so..
20:12:21egotrippenthe 5g ipod has an edge in HD size, form factor, and screen size
20:12:45egotrippenyeah
20:12:53egotrippeni'd definately go for that, then
20:13:20midkaymattl, well, i've got a 5G myself, by the way, if you had any specific questions.
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20:17:03mattlmidkay: thanks
20:18:12midkaynp.
20:18:54mattli'm really glad Rockbox is out... i need a GPL licensed player.
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20:19:16midkayyep.. we're [nearly] one-of-a-kind :)
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20:42:37mattlmidkay: only nearly? heh.
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20:42:58midkaymattl, haha.
20:44:36mattlmidkay: whois me. you'll see why.
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20:45:02midkayi noticed when you joined. :)
20:47:16mattlaha. off to the pub now.
20:47:24midkaylaters. :)
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21:04:00MoosHelo here !
21:05:17Mooslong time that I didn't check how Rockbox goes, nothing new in regard to the release?
21:07:00midkaymoos! :)
21:07:28midkaybattery life issue has been solved, now we're just waiting on voice i think.
21:07:35midkaymaybe a couple playback things too.
21:09:01Paul_The_NerdYeah
21:09:03Paul_The_NerdPlayback freezes
21:09:48midkay.. rarely, i hope.. :)
21:10:03Paul_The_NerdNot during normal use, but most of the freezes seem to be reproduceable.
21:10:33midkaythat's good.
21:10:52Moosoh ok :(
21:11:06Mooshi midkay and Paul btw
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21:11:17chendoi guess rockbox can't do bin+cue?
21:11:20chendo... or can it?
21:11:25midkayno, chendo.
21:12:40midkaybbi15 or 20mins
21:13:08chendokk
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21:35:55sharpegood-day everyone.
21:36:59preglowwhich ipods can be used as usb masters?
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21:39:23Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: At least the iPod Photo and iPod Video can, I believe, be hooked up to cameras.
21:40:00Paul_The_NerdThe PortalPlayer chip has the integrated USB controller right? Which would mean any that use the same as either of those?
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21:44:36preglowgod, i hate RETARD camera companies that can't just support standards
21:44:52preglowlike canon
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21:53:12sharpehi...
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22:02:27preglowPaul_The_Nerd: did portalplayer ever answer, btw?
22:05:48Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: No such luck. Nothing at all, not even a "Sorry, but no."
22:06:36preglowthey're probably too busy sacking staff to answer
22:06:59Paul_The_NerdI probably emailed someone who doesn't exist any more. ;)
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22:16:36FebsPaul_The_Nerd: up for a wager on which one of us correctly diagnosed mitchellknell's problem with 10,000 songs in a playlist?
22:16:46Febs(just trying to keep things interesting)
22:16:49Febs:)
22:17:17Paul_The_NerdFebs: It's too late. You did it
22:17:29FebsYeah, I just saw that.
22:17:57Paul_The_NerdYours was the most likely but I'm always surprised how many people dump all their songs in one folder.
22:18:04FebsThat's OK, I cheated anyway by testing to see if a restart is needed after changing max playlist size. (it is).
22:18:57FebsIt would not have surprised me one bit if he did have 13,000 songs in a single folder.
22:19:27Paul_The_NerdWell, I knew the restarts were necessary, but I figured since you'd covered that angle, I'd throw in some alternatives if yours didn't work.
22:19:56*petur spots Linus in the forums
22:21:40Paul_The_NerdFebs: I can't imagine even having 13,000 songs, let alone all in one folder.
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22:22:59preglow13k songs in one folder????+
22:23:13preglowthat's insane
22:23:37Febspreglow: it turned out that they weren't all in one folder.
22:23:37Paul_The_Nerdpreglow: It wasn't the case with this person. But I've seen people report having all their songs in one folder before, and complain about the 10,000 limit.
22:23:47*preglow vomits
22:25:39FebsThose are usually the people that can't find the folder on their player named "Root."
22:26:11peturyou mean 'route'
22:26:59FebsHa ha!
22:27:02*Paul_The_Nerd sighs at the use of "Rockbocks" "Rocksbocks" in a forum with the "Rockbox" logo all over it.
22:27:33Paul_The_NerdI'm sorry but it's a little crazy to see something not only spell a word wrong, but a different way each time in his posts. (This applies to other more common words as well.)
22:27:35FebsThat sad part about that thread, petur, was that you bolded the word "root" and he still didn't get it.
22:27:48petur;)
22:28:06chendorockbox do EAC?
22:28:15petureh?
22:28:29peturEAC = pc app
22:28:50chendowell can rockbox read the files output by that? ;x
22:29:04FebsThe files output by EAC are .wav files, so yes.
22:29:19peturEAC can output WAV or whatever compressor you attach to it
22:29:31chendommk
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22:30:00*petur recommends EAC for CD ripping (but *not* in burst mode)
22:30:01Febsmmk?
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22:30:56chendommk = mm, okay
22:31:31FebsAhh, I see.
22:31:44*Febs doesn't speak "l337."
22:32:15Paul_The_NerdHahaha
22:32:25*linuxstb grumbles about kids today...
22:32:32*Paul_The_Nerd shakes his cane at them.
22:32:34[San]anyone hear about the europe code jam by google?
22:32:42chendoas if 'mmk' is anywhere close to leet
22:32:53peturcode jam?
22:33:01[San]http://www.topcoder.com/pl/?module=Static&d1=gecj06&d2=overview
22:33:06dionoeasummer of code ?
22:33:08chendoi mean, it could be /\/\/\/\|<, but no ;p
22:33:12[San]twas held in dublni
22:33:15[San]*dublin
22:33:20[San]30000 prize
22:33:31[San]tought some of you guys might have enterd
22:33:32[San];-)
22:34:05*petur sees 'java' and runs fast *very fast*
22:34:27linuxstbCoffee...
22:34:39*Paul_The_Nerd has been to Java a few times.
22:34:45FebsMmmmmmm. Coffee.
22:34:47*petur drinks tea
22:34:58*Paul_The_Nerd wonders what Sun's obsession with Indonesia is with their "Java" and their "Jakarta" and all that jazz.
22:35:03*Febs heads down to the coffee shop in the lobby.
22:35:10*linuxstb has written zero lines of Java in his life.
22:35:40*petur notes what 'Coffee shop' means in The Netherlands ;)
22:35:43Paul_The_NerdI've converted Java to PHP, but that's about it.
22:36:04*linuxstb will be in Amsterdam next weekend...
22:38:05*Febs just Googled "coffee shop Netherlands."
22:38:40[San]hehe
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22:48:45Bagdermerbanan: very interesting mi4 development here
22:49:15BagderI got a mail from a guy claiming to have it figured out for the h10 case
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22:55:12merbananBagder: any details ?
22:55:45idnarPaul_The_Nerd: Jakarta is Apache not Sun
22:55:53Bagdernot yet, I'm busy doing work for a while more but the guy mostly told me this and include a few details but not the actual code yet
22:56:16Bagderhe says he can decrypt/encrypt the mi4 for h10
22:56:24*preglow will be in england next weekend
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22:59:56preglowword
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23:00:05preglowinside them, and walking around to find new ones
23:00:07Paul_The_Nerdidnar: Fair enough
23:02:41lowlightCan someone test this to see if rockbox locks up...view a text file where the first line is empty (return).
23:03:03lowlightLocked my h140 up for an hour this morning with no paper clip in sight.
23:03:32lowlightI found it locks up the sim as well.
23:06:47PaulJamlowlight: the same happens it the first character is a space
23:06:50*preglow thinks he'll sum up his own experiences in a "five hundred ways to reset a h1x0" document
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23:07:36Paul_The_NerdHahaha
23:08:45*linuxstb contributes the ear-ring method
23:09:07preglowto date, i've reset it with twigs, gravel, a chocolate wrapper, a cigarette filter and a candle
23:09:10preglowhahaha
23:09:17preglowthe last two are not recommended
23:09:20linuxstbcandle?
23:09:26preglowwell, the wick of one at any rate :>
23:09:41preglowor however that's spelled
23:09:56linuxstbLike that.
23:10:06preglowthen hooray, never written it before
23:12:23preglowfor me, rockbox almost always locks when on my way to the train
23:12:33preglowand i'm too stupid to carry a pin around with me
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23:13:06lowlighthaha, I guess I wasn't resourceful enough
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23:17:00preglowone time it locked up approximately ten seconds after going out the door on my way to an hour long train ride
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23:18:21peturI had it lock up leaving on my bike from work, went back inside for a paperclip and got laughed at by coworkers :/
23:18:47preglowhahah
23:19:14peturruined my chances of converting their ipods to rockbox
23:19:31Bagder:-)
23:19:53Bagder*cough* I need it to keep my papers together!
23:21:29*linuxstb doesn't understand a word of viewer.c
23:22:05lowlightIt appears that the viewer enters an endless loop in viewer.c line 696.
23:22:14linuxstbYes, I've just found that as well.
23:22:26preglowanyone got any experiences with haskell?
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23:34:55Bagderpreglow: you may take that as a 'no' ;-)
23:35:28lowlightlinuxstb: I don't understand the logic in viewer.c, but it appears that in line 927 in init_need_scrollbar needs to be moved after the initialization of the draw_columns variable.
23:35:37linuxstbI did program in ML about 13 years ago, but have sadly forgotten everything.
23:36:12lowlightIt seems to fix the problem.
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23:39:30linuxstbOh, he's gone. I was about to say that his bugfix looks good to me.
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23:42:43*petur curses at some drunk students ringing his doorbell
23:43:01preglowpetur: open a window and yell "KE KE KE KE KE KE KIEK" at them
23:43:20peturyell what?
23:43:35preglowthat :>
23:44:06preglowkorean laughing style
23:44:25peturthey would probably kick in a window and run
23:45:11petursummer gives me a double feeling: I hate the heat but all the students go home so it's nice and quit
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23:45:29*petur lives 200m from a uni
23:45:32preglowhate the heat???
23:45:48petur30 deg celcius sunday :(
23:46:01preglowoh, there was a couple of days with that some weeks ago
23:46:03preglowit was heaven
23:46:10peturhell
23:47:33preglowi see we differ on some key points
23:47:44petur:D
23:48:41*petur was about to say 'we should swap country' but then started thinking about a nice beer :p
23:49:05preglowoh, i'm okay about that
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