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#rockbox log for 2006-07-01

00:00:38amiconnWhy an additional layer (with the current concept)?
00:01:04amiconnWe already have several places where buttons are assigned (not counting plugins)
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00:01:24amiconnWe also have some places which reuse the SETTINGS_*
00:01:26amiconndefines
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00:01:51amiconnBoth things aren't ideal, but they exist
00:02:15amiconnWe want to introduce the action concept soon (but probably after 3.0)
00:02:21peturwell the settings.h defines introduce an additional define layer, maybe then make the settings.h more global?
00:02:46peturor clean up after 3.0 ;)
00:02:47*amiconn doesn't understand
00:02:52amiconnWhat additional layer??
00:03:06petur#define SETTINGS_INC BUTTON_UP
00:03:27amiconnThese do already exist afaik...
00:03:37peturyes
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00:04:23peturif any file other than settings.c uses them, they don't belong in settings.h
00:04:33peturbut nevermind
00:04:47peturI'll keep the same 'style'
00:05:27amiconnHmm, why do you think they don't belong there? If they were settings.c only, they would reside in settings.c, not settings.h
00:05:41amiconn...but I agree that this is somewhat ugly
00:06:14amiconn...because some places now use a mixture of SETTINGS_*, and own definitions
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00:06:52amiconnWe need to clearly identify all different actions...
00:07:15peturthat's what I wanted to say...
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00:08:20*amiconn wonders why petur didn't combine the #if conditions...
00:08:37peturme lazy
00:09:04peturdoing too many things at once here :(
00:09:59petursadly most are not rb related
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00:12:08peturI just quickly copy/pasted the ifdefs ;)
00:12:17amiconnYou would have saved one #ifdef and one #endif
00:12:41peturokay, will change it - give me some time
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01:36:01*petur doesn't understand apps/recorder/recording.c line 109 ... amiconn, still here?
01:37:15amiconnodd...
01:37:34peturI think it's a bug
01:37:51amiconnYeah, but one that doesn't hit anywhere
01:38:28peturand Mmmm copied it for his settings.h patch
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01:39:24peturshould be: #if (CONFIG_REMOTE_KEYPAD == H100_REMOTE) || (CONFIG_REMOTE_KEYPAD == H100_REMOTE)
01:39:34peturor do I miss something?
01:44:45peturoh... line 625 is another fine typo that doesn't trigger anything :)
01:44:53amiconnPerhaps, but I don't understand the remote keypad defines at all
01:45:20peturI'm trying to :/
01:45:29amiconnA remote keypad is strictly tied to a main keypad
01:45:38amiconn-> no need for a separate define
01:46:17amiconnThe only exception is that you can swap remotes among irivers - but then it's a runtime issue, not a compile time issue
01:48:31peturwhy would a remote keypad be tied to a main keypad? It's just another keypad on the device
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01:50:11amiconnAn iriver H series remote can only exist on a H series main unit
01:50:28amiconnLikewise, an archos remote can only exist on an archos player/recorder
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01:51:35peturok, now I see what you mean: no need for another ifdef clause, just add it to the unit button defines
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01:52:01amiconnyes
01:52:08amiconnIt's done that way elsewhere
01:52:09peturwhich, in this case would dupelicate the RC button defines for iriver
01:52:20peturduplicate even
01:52:42amiconnno it wouldn't
01:52:52amiconn#elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD) || (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD)
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01:53:29peturI was talking about adding the defines within the units ifdef clause
01:53:46peturthe way you write it is ok, of course
01:53:57amiconnThat's a line from recording.c ...
01:54:37peturoh I see
01:54:51*petur considers reading the source
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01:55:06amiconnhehe
01:55:08amiconnutsl
01:55:14amiconn;)
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01:55:47peturso the RC button defines for iriver can move inside that block too
01:59:43peturheh in radio.c they're already inside the same ifdef block
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02:01:17amiconnpetur: [01:52:07] <amiconn> It's done that way elsewhere
02:01:33peturyeah right ;)
02:02:36peturI'll get my act together, the alcohol is slowly leaving my body
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02:07:16XavierGralcohol?
02:07:26XavierGrpetur you progam drunk?
02:07:27XavierGrhehe
02:07:38peturnot drunk, no
02:08:04peturI rarely drink that much to be considered drunk
02:08:37XavierGrfine then, enjoy it
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02:08:59XavierGrjust curious how much alcohol have you consumed :p
02:09:28XavierGrI tend to get drunk easily, that's why I ask
02:10:09petur1 beer (Leffe), two wodka-orange and 2 or 3 glasses of red wine (from 17:00 until now 2:10)
02:10:38peturwe celebrated my wife's birthday and the fact that she passed her exams
02:11:18XavierGrah nice, happy birthday to her
02:12:31XavierGrwell, this amount of alcohol seems a little bit too much for me, though I must say that the interval is very long
02:13:08XavierGrimagine drinikg them up simultanesly! :p
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04:56:50fiftyfour123ok guys, i'm working on booting rockbox off of a FAT32 partition on a macpod, i have the two partitions mounted and the rockbox files on the FAT32 partition, but what do i need to put in the loader config file to get it load from the FAT32 partition
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06:55:43sharpeyay!
06:56:08sharpei thought that was just an auto reconnection... :)
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08:13:05Jungti1234hey
08:15:12Jungti1234http://www.ihuf.net/board/data/rockbox_qna/DSC07959.JPG
08:15:13Jungti1234see it
08:15:33midkaywhat is it?
08:15:44Jungti1234Letter breaks.
08:16:16Jungti1234font is 6+12x13
08:16:44Jungti1234It breaks by random.
08:17:11midkayhm..
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08:18:37Jungti1234font file problem?
08:18:46Jungti1234or HDD problem?
08:18:54Jungti1234or... rockbox?
08:22:27midkayno idea, honestly.
08:23:08sharpemy gues would be...
08:23:25sharpesomething with the font.
08:24:40midkayhow worthless.
08:25:05sharpe...
08:25:06sharpethanks...
08:25:14Jungti1234hm
08:25:16sharpejust when i was thinking about contributing to the wiki...
08:25:24sharpeyou ruined it.
08:25:49midkaysorry sharpe. :(!(!(!(.
08:25:54Jungti1234hehehe....
08:26:10midkayit's so hard to keep a constant lie by pretending you're helpful.. i accidentally screw up sometimes.
08:26:15sharpelol
08:26:27sharpewe don't keep a wiki page with a list of the bootloader error codes, do we?
08:27:34midkayno!!!
08:28:18sharpeokay.
08:28:22sharpethat was my idea.
08:28:46midkaywell. that's utterly worthless.
08:29:46sharpe...
08:30:32midkayjk.
08:30:35scorchemidkay: see?...he didnt say anything =)
08:30:40midkaybut seriously. aren't there like.. TWO error codes?
08:30:41midkayhaha.
08:30:45midkayoooo.
08:30:45midkay:)
08:31:37sharpefor load_rockbox(), six.
08:31:39sharpetake that.
08:32:08sharpethree for load_linux()
08:32:15sharpeand the ones for the ata errors
08:32:30sharpeand that was for the ipod bootloader, by the way.
08:36:12midkayah.
08:36:17midkaywhat are the six?
08:37:22sharpe-1, -2, -3, -4, -5, -6. duh.
08:37:33midkaywhat do they MEAN.
08:37:34midkaysheesh.
08:37:49sharpeyou should've asked for their meaning the...
08:37:50sharpen.
08:39:10midkaywell, i asked what they were, not what their values were.. you should've ANSWERED "error codes".
08:39:28sharpe;)
08:40:51sharpe-1: no firmware file; -2: error reading checksum; -3: error reading model from firmware; -4: something...; -5: incorrect checksums; -6: too large of file
08:42:12midkaywell. add that to the ipod bootloader page!
08:42:33sharpegrr you. :)
08:43:47amiconnsomething?
08:43:58Jungti1234hmm
08:44:26sharpesomeone?
08:44:33Jungti1234something?
08:44:33sharpeyeah.
08:44:37sharpesomething.
08:44:41sharpethat's what i dub it.
08:44:42Jungti1234what..
08:44:56sharpeeven though it's another error with reading more than it's supposed to
08:45:04amiconnsharpe: -4 means the file couldn't be fully read
08:45:25Jungti1234fully?
08:45:27sharpeer, just replace more with less.
08:46:58Jungti1234mean is that file couldn't read?
08:47:38dongsfile couldnt dongs!
08:47:47sharpeless was read than expected..
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08:47:59Jungti1234ah..
08:48:45midkayhow would that happen?
08:49:30sharpeipod hdd gaining sentience?
08:49:32amiconnrarely, but it could happen
08:49:41linuxstb_Corrupt filesystem? Someone reported it a couple of days ago.
08:49:46amiconn...e.g. when there is a file system error
08:50:01amiconn(cluster chain broken somewhere)
08:50:07midkayah..
08:50:42earHertzlinuxstb_: didn't you point me to linux for ARM?
08:51:08linuxstb_sharpe: These error codes are the same in the iriver/iaudio bootloader (main.c) - so they shouldn't go in an ipod-specific wiki page (I don't know what you're planning).
08:51:36sharpeblame it on midkay...
08:51:39linuxstb_earHertz: I think Bagder mentioned it first.
08:51:49earHertzoh.
08:52:25linuxstb_Are you still looking for an ARM memcpy?
08:52:27amiconnlinuxstb_: Btw, why do we display the codes in the first place, instead of a short message?
08:52:50earHertzlinuxstb_: yah. I download the arm linux bios.tar, but it's not in there
08:53:05sharpebecause nobody's every bothered to write the messages into the bootloader? :)
08:53:06amiconnImho the bootloader shouldn't display anything as long as everything works as it should, but when there is an error, a number isn't that helpful
08:53:16sharpeever... not every.
08:53:30earHertzwhere would a memcpy.S be in a linux source?
08:53:32scorchejust about as helpful as a sad ipod =)
08:53:34amiconnReminds me of old MacOS 'error -4 occured.' Haha, very helpful
08:53:47sharpescorche: true...
08:54:01linuxstb_amiconn: I've had the same thoughts - I just copied Linus's iriver bootloader. But I agree that displaying strings will be more useful.
08:54:09sharpeooh ooh
08:54:14earHertzI did get the ipodlinux arm emulator working, but it's a bit... spare
08:54:23amiconnYeah, but "firmware file not found', 'checksum mismatch' etc would be somewhat more informative
08:54:35sharpecan i rewrite the ipod's bootloader to incorporate the error messages?
08:54:40linuxstb_earHertz: They will just be in the standard Linux kernel source.
08:54:57earHertzlinuxstb_: you mean, in C, not asm/
08:55:03linuxstb_No, in asm.
08:55:25amiconnA slight problem are the ata errors
08:55:35sharpethe ooh ooh should go along with the "can i..."
08:55:55linuxstb_Anyone know if there is a strict size limit in the iriver bootloader?
08:57:00earHertzlinuxstb_: ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/kernel/v2.6 ?
08:57:02sharpedoesn't seem to have one.
08:57:47amiconnlinuxstb_: I think the only size limit is flash_rom_size - size_of_original_firmware
08:57:56amiconnThe latter varies with version, of course
08:58:15sharpealways have to out-inform me... :'(
08:58:49Rickoff-topic: what do you guys prefer to use for IDE under linux, if you use one?
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08:59:04linuxstb_earHertz: You don't even need a special ARM version of the kernel - just the standard kernel has them - in arch/arm/lib/
08:59:05midkaysharpe, well of course, you're not particularly informative.......
08:59:06midkay:D
08:59:26sharpemidkay: well, i give *just enough* information...
08:59:40linuxstb_Rick: Linux itself is my IDE - bash and all the standard textutils.
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09:00:00Ricklinuxstb_: pfft :P hehe
09:00:18midkaysharpe, on the contrary, "i don't think so", "it doesn't seem to", and "not as far as i can tell" aren't particularly useful.
09:00:36sharpei never said the information i give is useful.
09:00:46sharpe"HAHA." isn't too useful either, midkay. :)
09:01:06midkaywhen have i ever said "HAHA."?!
09:01:13midkaythat one time like YESTERDAY?!
09:01:17midkaywell. fu.
09:01:24sharpeahah
09:01:24earHertzlinuxstb_: Look, I'm sorry I'm being dense here, but at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/ I don't see an arch subdir
09:01:33midkayi wasn't trying to be helpful with that. people weren't addressing me with questions expecting useful answers!
09:02:01sharpesure...
09:02:28Jungti1234Can't you find ARM's data sheet?
09:02:36Jungti1234I can't find it...
09:02:56linuxstb_earHertz: The latest kernel source is here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.17.tar.bz2 - download and extract it, and you'll have an arch/arm/lib directory.
09:02:59Jungti1234Can not you find ARM's data sheet?
09:03:02Jungti1234oops
09:03:05Jungti1234http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info
09:03:07earHertzlinuxstb_: thanks
09:03:40sharpewell... i'm off to sleep... four hours after the rest of this timezone went to sleep.
09:03:41Jungti1234Samsung SA58700X07 ARM9
09:03:56sharpeg'night everoyne.
09:03:58midkaycongratulations, sharpe.
09:04:05midkayand sleep.. mediocre.
09:04:28sharpethat reminds me of, "Haha! Congratulations, You're mediocre!"
09:04:40midkaywhat?
09:04:45sharpei don't know.
09:04:51sharpei think i said it to someone once.
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09:04:55Jungti1234It same iriver Clix
09:04:58earHertzlinuxstb_: sorry to be so tedious.
09:05:35linuxstb_earHertz: No problem. I assumed you were familiar with the linux kernel...
09:05:54sharpewell. bye.
09:06:12earHertzlinuxstb_: I'm not, and even navigatomg kernel.org was difficult; there seems to be an assumption on mnay linux projects that the reader has some pre-knowledge
09:06:13midkaylaters.
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09:47:10Jungti1234hi muesli
09:47:27muesli__banzai Jungti1234!
09:47:33Jungti1234no..
09:47:36Jungti1234I'm korean
09:47:43muesli__mmh
09:47:46Jungti1234not japanese
09:47:54muesli__what do u say over there?
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09:48:19Jungti1234banzai is japanese, no?
09:48:26muesli__yes, it is
09:48:32Jungti1234I want korean.. :)
09:48:34muesli__=hooray
09:48:40Jungti1234yep
09:48:41muesli__what do u say over there?
09:49:03Jungti1234mansae!
09:50:43Jungti1234oops, manse :)
09:50:57muesli__mk..try to keep that in mind ,)
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10:11:32[Ptah]Hello
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10:14:28[Ptah]Is anybody alive here?
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10:15:25muesli__nope
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10:17:09[Ptah]seems to be
10:17:21JdGordonwe got some interesting spammage on the wiki
10:17:36[Ptah]spammage?
10:18:09JdGordonthe RobbyWilliams and the IronMaiden user name links both go to zoo porn!
10:18:38[Ptah]If you're talking about something I'm writting without my knowledge I've to say I'm sorry
10:19:05JdGordonno, the users are prob bots..\
10:19:22JdGordonany1 with admin rights on the wiki can delete them?
10:19:51[Ptah]I think I donīt understand anything...
10:20:39JdGordon:)
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10:22:48[Ptah]I supose this room is for RockBox users (yes, it's evident :D )
10:22:58[Ptah]But, are you iRiver users?
10:23:50drippydonutI'm an iriver user
10:24:11[Ptah]like me
10:24:24drippydonutbut lots of people here might have archos's, ipods, iaudios, etc
10:24:38drippydonutanything that can be Rockbox'd :D
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10:26:10*Paul_The_Nerd qualifies for everything but iAudio so far.
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10:27:48PtahI'm the same person as [Ptah] but with an updated mirc :-D
10:28:10PtahThanks drippydonut for your explanation
10:28:31stripwaxi've got an iriver and an ipod ..
10:28:38stripwax(both rockbox'd of course)
10:28:53PtahYes, I know this is for anything that can be rockbox'd XD
10:30:15Ptahstripwax, is the same in both players?
10:30:48Paul_The_NerdIt's as close to the same as physically possible.
10:31:21stripwaxPtah - well, my ipod has a color screen, and my iriver has a mono screen, so visually they're quite different .. ;-)
10:31:59Ptahyes, good difference
10:32:21PtahI've got iRiver H340 and is color too
10:32:44PtahWhich model of iPod do you own?
10:33:32stripwax5g (the 60Gb iPod video)
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10:33:54Ptahseems to be a good one ;-)
10:34:12PtahDoes it record from FM radio?
10:34:14stripwaxso, mi4code.c can en/decrypt h10's mi4 files .. i'm checking it out right now
10:34:27stripwaxPtah - the ipod?
10:34:39Ptahyes, the iPod 5g
10:34:59stripwaxthe iPod 5g doesn't have a built in radio .. so .. no.
10:35:38PtahI don't have an iPod and then I have to ask
10:36:07Ptahsorry if the question was so obviosly
10:36:35Ptah(obvious)
10:36:49stripwaxno worries!
10:36:57amiconnTere is no ipod with a built in radio
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10:38:33PtahI was so sad when I hear of iRiver has left making H3x0
10:39:19stripwaxPtah - companies have to keep innovating
10:39:50Paul_The_NerdOf course, not everyone would describe what iRiver does as "innovation"
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10:39:59Paul_The_NerdOr did, at least, with their move to the H10 series.
10:40:05Ptahyes, I suppose
10:40:43PtahPaul, are you trying to say that the next to H3x0 series is H10 series?
10:42:12Paul_The_NerdWell, that's the only large capacity player they've made for a while
10:42:20Paul_The_NerdThe H10 20gig model.
10:42:25stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - and the fact that it doesn't support ogg? yeah, that's true
10:42:48JdGordonhey Paul_The_Nerd, have u got rights on the wiki to remove users?
10:43:02amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: 20GB = large capacity? Nowadaays, and as there was a H340 before?
10:43:04Paul_The_NerdNope. I am a normal user when it comes to the wiki.
10:43:20Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Okay, by "large capacity" I mean "Using drives with two digits of gigabytes"
10:43:49Paul_The_NerdSince everything else of theirs seems to be 6gb microdrives and less.
10:44:08PtahI suppose that 20 Gb of capacity is large capacity with a slim player
10:44:48Paul_The_NerdApple pulled off a pretty slim 60gig player with their 5G
10:45:47stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - it's almost as small as the 60g drive itself
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10:47:03*amiconn would like a player that is mostly a mixture of H1x0 and H300
10:47:20peturH280 :)
10:47:44PtahWhat about iRiver pmp140?
10:48:20Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: What features would you want from the 300?
10:48:27stripwax(color screen?)
10:48:32peturusbotg I think
10:48:47Paul_The_NerdThat's what I'd want, USBOTG
10:48:52stripwaxor at least, any kind of screen that doesn't suck as much as the h1x0 lcd ..
10:49:02PtahIt seems to be very big and no RockBox support, isn't it?
10:49:18amiconn(1) Case material, display and optical in/out from H1x0, (2) Button placement, usbotg and better radio reception from H300 (but better quality buttons !!!)
10:49:28stripwaxPtah - nobody has ported Rockbox to the PMP devices, correct
10:49:28amiconn(3) Backlight from ipod mini
10:49:29Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: The H1x0 screen doesn't suck for WPS display. It only really sucks if you try to use it for something graphical.
10:49:45stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - seriously, even scrolling text is almost unreadable
10:49:57Paul_The_NerdI don't find it that way...
10:50:21amiconnI still prefer a mono display over a color one on mobile devices any day
10:50:22stripwaxI guess it's only almost unreadable when using 1-pixel scrolling (and quite a fast scroll speed).
10:50:53Paul_The_Nerdstripwax: Well, I also grew up playing games on an old B&W Gameboy, the original ugly green screen one, and I'd say in my opinion its display was worse. ;)
10:51:00amiconnEspecially these days (summer), I curse the colour lcd of my mobile phone everytime I'm trying to use it outdoors
10:51:18amiconnIt's totally unreadable in sunlight
10:51:22preglowindeed
10:51:25preglowmine too
10:52:07amiconnstripwax: The slowness of the H1x0 lcd is great for the grayscale library. Much less flicker than on archos
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10:52:16powr-tocamiconn: but you forget that phones these days are for viewing pictures on ;)
10:52:34Paul_The_NerdThe Sansa players have an absolutely unreadable w/o backlight color screen.
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10:52:53stripwaxmy phone has a nice clear screen, even in sunlight. I'm not sure if that's because its transflective or not, or if it's just that the backlight is really, really bright.
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10:53:43earHertzstripwax: or because you have really tiny little beady eyes
10:53:59stripwaxyeah, that too
10:54:22amiconnpowr-toc: Haha. I wonder about that all the time. A phone is a phone, not a digicam
10:54:31amiconnIf I want a digicam, I choose a digicam
10:55:03amiconnThe image "quality" of the phone cams is, well, hmm, better not say anything about it...
10:55:04powr-tocamiconn: am I a hypocrit if I agree with you yet own a nokia n80?
10:56:17Ptahwell, nice to meet you all
10:56:17powr-tocnot that I got it for the camera... I use my trusty old 2 mega pixel dimage X when I want to take pictures.
10:56:44PtahSee you soon ;-)
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10:59:38preglowamiconn: some phone cams are actually getting a bit decent
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10:59:40preglowbut i agree fully
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10:59:45Ptahonly one question, does iRiver H10 support RockBox?
10:59:54drippydonutnot yet
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11:00:18Ptahok, thank you
11:00:20Ptahbye
11:00:25amiconnpreglow: Maybe, but the phones also continue to become bigger and heavier instead what they used to become... :-(
11:00:26preglowthen again, i want an slr
11:00:33amiconn134g for the Nokia N80
11:00:51*amiconn wants his good old T600 back :(
11:01:06preglowand i just want mobile phones to disappear
11:01:14peturYES
11:01:15amiconnuh?
11:01:22peturgood point preglow :D
11:01:26preglowi'm tired of them
11:01:27preglowheh
11:01:39preglowi
11:02:00tucozDo you think it's ok to remove rockblox from cvs now?
11:02:10preglows/i//
11:02:13preglowmy fingers suck today
11:02:58tucozOr do we want to ship two tetris-clones?
11:03:14preglowno, we don't
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11:03:47tucozAs far as I can see, tetrox is running on all platforms.
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11:05:12Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: Sony Ericson T600?
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11:06:06amiconnyeps
11:06:23Paul_The_NerdI used to have one of those.
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11:08:46amiconnYes, me too. Unfortunately it broke and I had to replace it :(
11:09:09amiconnIt broke while charging.
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11:10:54Paul_The_NerdMine started resetting randomly
11:11:04Paul_The_NerdI ended up getting it replaced with a T610, which I don't like quite as much.
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11:12:17scorchehrm
11:12:18scorchehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060630/ap_on_hi_te/france_itunes_law_5
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11:13:17tucozDo I get a green light to remove rockblox from cvs?
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11:15:29JdGordonany1 know how to restart a accidently stopped torrent in torrentflux?
11:16:51tucozscorche, good news. Do you think the US will follow?
11:17:53scorchenot sure...it all depends how much backing will be against apple
11:18:04scorcheugh...US politics is so sad
11:19:10tucozmaybe the US can follow Europe for once in this case.
11:19:19midkaytucoz, i thought we didn't want to get rid of it since it fits the archos LCD well and tetrox doesn't have a horizontal mode.
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11:19:41tucozmidkay, ok.
11:19:44LinusNtucoz: if tetrox runs on all platforms, you get my blessing to remove rockblox
11:20:03midkayit was discussed before, several times iirc..
11:20:22amiconntucoz: Gets my vote as well
11:20:33LinusNi'm one of the few that liked the "horizontal" tilt of rockblox
11:20:40amiconntetrox should be made a little faster though
11:20:42midkaythe verdict as i recall was that tetrox, being vertical, is quite tiny on the archos LCD and so rockblox was to be kept at least until tetrox had.. well, never mind, nobody cares apparently.
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11:20:50amiconnpixelma complains that it's too easy
11:20:57pixelmathe only difference is: on Archos tetrox is very slow/easy and rockblox is _very_ fast
11:20:59tucoztetrox?
11:21:04pixelmaon Ondio
11:21:10amiconntucoz: yes
11:21:14tucozah. ok
11:22:34*scorche tries both on his archos
11:22:41scorche>_>
11:22:44tucozOk, but we can remove rockblox and work with tetrox from now then.
11:22:49scorchetetrox will not run
11:22:59tucoz:(
11:23:11scorcheI09:CPUAdrEr at 091F812E
11:23:46scorcherockblox, however runs just fine
11:23:47tucozRockblox needs to be fixed on all other platforms except the archoses
11:23:52tucozbummer
11:23:52amiconnmidkay: Yes the tetrox blocks are smaller than the rockblox blocks on the archos lcd, but it's playable, and the orientation is better especially for unsuspecting users...
11:24:05pixelmascorche huh? works fine for me
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11:24:23scorchepixelma: archos jr.....newest build?
11:24:28scorche*jbr
11:24:30midkayamiconn, yeah, i don't really care.. i did like horizontal mode too, though, FWIW.
11:24:44midkaydoesn't really matter, anyways - tetrox could always get a horizontal mode too, in the future.
11:25:01pixelmaOndio yesterday's build - I think I had this error a few weeks ago
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11:25:17amiconnscorche: Works fine here, both on recorder v1 and Ondio FM. DO you have an ooold build?
11:25:18scorcheit did not work for me in my last build which was from a week or so ago
11:25:21LinusNit seems very few people realized that you are supposed to rotate the player when playing rockblox
11:25:31scorcheamiconn: i just barely updated
11:25:32midkayLinusN, haha, i never did/do.
11:25:37midkayi like the blocks falling left.
11:25:40tucozhehe
11:25:50tucoztiltrox
11:26:06tucoz*tiltris
11:26:09midkaymaybe since i can then use my right hand to move them up/down.. easier than using both left and right, or just left.
11:26:11midkayhaha.
11:26:18*scorche hrms
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11:26:45scorcheamiconn: any ideas?
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11:30:32pixelmatscorche that should have been fixed on May 23th
11:30:41pixelmascorche I mean
11:31:00scorchepixelma: i just barely updated with the latest build....
11:31:13scorchemaybe it didnt transfer fully for some odd reason
11:31:17scorchei will try it again
11:32:35pixelmaI had exactly the same
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11:34:03tucozit runs in the recorder sim at least
11:34:55scorchehuh
11:35:18tucozstill no go?
11:35:21scorchesorry about that...it looks like something must have gone wrong with the transfer
11:35:26scorcheit works now
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11:35:42tucozok, then I'll put rockblox in the attic
11:36:01scorcheone other thing before i forget again...
11:36:23JdGordonis the playlist only supposed to be used for the current playlist?
11:36:32JdGordoni mean all the playlist functions
11:37:42scorchei have a playlist file as the last visible entry in the root dir...if i am at the top, and i hit "up" to go to the bottom, it moves the cursor to the bottom, but it does not show the playlist (off the screen)
11:38:19LinusNscorche: badness
11:38:27tucozscorche, I have experienced that as well. I thought that was fixed
11:38:30scorchealso, the slide bar changes shape to the correct form after i move
11:39:01tucozI think that petur or safetydan fixed that some months ago. Might be wrong though.
11:39:08JdGordon... hmm.. it looks like the playlist_ functions are all called with NULL so i guess its safe to say its only used on the current playlist.
11:39:17scorchethis makes it better...however, if i go to the top again (or anyhere for that matter) and hit menu, then return to the dir....it happens again
11:39:41scorchealso...not sure if this is related...
11:41:20scorche(default WPS) i am playing a song...i turn the status bar off via F3 to see the peakmeters...the status bar disappears, but instead of everything moving up, there is just a blank line where the staus bar used to be and the peakmeters overlap the bottom line
11:41:48scorcheyou can make it do as it should if after you do this, you hit menu and return
11:43:15scorcheand if you are to switch back after you have "fixed" it, the peak meters disappear, but the information does not move back down....and the status bar and top line fight over the space (taking turns whenever the top line scrolls)....again fixable by going to the menu and returning
11:43:42tucozLinusN, is something wrong with the build-server(s)?
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11:44:34LinusNtucoz: not that i know of
11:45:02tucozmy commit didn't trigger a build as far as I can tell by looking at the cvs page
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11:45:27LinusNwhat did you commit and when?
11:45:39tucozI removed rockblox just now
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11:46:33LinusNodd
11:47:41tucoziirc, amiconn mentioned something similar a few days ago.
11:48:46LinusNit could be that the scripts don't detect file removals
11:49:00LinusNbut it should trigger on the SOURCES file change...
11:49:13tucozyes, that was what I thought as well
11:49:37tucozhttp://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-06-30%2023:23:04.html <−− as that was triggering a build
11:50:06LinusNheh
11:50:38tucozI also made a few changes to the manuals, and those do not show up on the frontpage.
11:50:41LinusNi'll have bagder look at it later on
11:50:57tucozOk, good :)
11:51:38LinusNscorche: which font are you using when reproducing the scroll-to-last bug?
11:51:56scorcheLinusN: default
11:52:45LinusNok
11:53:32tucozNow I remember what I was thinking of. When exiting from some plugins, the line-selector was sometimes out of sight. However, that was fixed some time ago.
11:53:44JdGordonif u add a track into a shuffled playlist, what does rb do with the track when u unshuffle it?
11:53:56LinusNit sorts the tracks
11:54:09JdGordonand the one that was added while it was shuffled?
11:54:21LinusNit sorts them all
11:54:45LinusNan "unshuffle" is really a sort
11:54:56JdGordonye, but the new one was added after it was shuffled.. so how does it know where to put it back?
11:55:02LinusNan "unshuffle" is really a sort
11:55:19LinusNit doesn't undo the shuffle, it sorts the tracks
11:56:31LinusNwhich means that if the playlist was unsorted before the shuffle, the playlist order will be different when you unshuffle
11:56:42JdGordonok
11:56:58LinusNnobody has noticed yet :-)
11:57:02JdGordonhehe
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12:00:46earHertzanyone here use ubuntu?
12:02:28preglowyeah
12:03:57*JdGordon does
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12:06:47tucozearHertz, yes
12:07:11midkaythe real question: does anyone here *not* use ubuntu?
12:07:14*midkay raises hand
12:07:23*JdGordon
12:07:24*drippydonut raises hand
12:07:29zegentoo here
12:07:34*drippydonut uses Fedora Core
12:07:51tucozI even downloaded a ubuntu-image for use with the vmware-player (for windows use)
12:09:29JdGordonis 300 x max tracks in playlist bytes too man to be stealing from the audio buffer? (i tihnk its about 12bytes x tracks more than current)
12:10:33Nibblerdebian and gentoo here
12:10:50Nibblerand some other linux on a small device... :)
12:11:53earHertzsorry, apt-get is making me angry
12:12:17*dionoea uses debian
12:12:17*stripwax uses openslug
12:12:19tucozearHertz, synaptic is great I think
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12:14:23aMIENanyone know why i get this error: error reading from disk: device is not ready
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12:14:56dionoeaaMIEN: maybe because device is not ready
12:15:09aMIENyes .. but why it is not ready? its doing nothing
12:15:12midkayhow insightful.
12:15:19dionoea:D
12:15:33stripwaxaMIEN - which device, which version of rockbox, what were you doing at the time ... ?
12:15:52stripwax(the usual questions..)
12:16:01aMIENipodpatcher 1
12:16:15stripwaxah! why didn't you say so! :-)
12:16:26aMIENand #1 is the correct one
12:16:26stripwaxaMIEN - have you enabled "Use Disk Mode" on your ipod?
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12:16:47aMIENyou can do that in itunes right?
12:17:23aMIENcause i have an <M: drive
12:18:31stripwaxaMIEN - yes. you also need to quit itunes if it's running - I think. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4993.0
12:19:49aMIENin itunes its ghosted but its checked
12:20:25stripwaxaMIEN - hm, it shouldn't be ghosted. if you quit itunes, you can still see your ipod in Explorer or My Computer?
12:21:21aMIENi closed itunes ..but M: is still there
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12:22:23stripwaxaMIEN ok and you can see your ipod files in the M: drive? (the M: drive actually works?)
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12:22:47aMIENyes i can drag/drop files in there
12:23:08stripwaxbut "ipodpatcher 1" still says drive is not ready? hm, that's weird
12:23:13aMIENyap
12:23:18stripwaxare you sure it's definitely 1, not 2 or 3 say?
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12:23:55aMIENlol .. it was 6 :)
12:23:57aMIENtnx
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12:24:17stripwaxhmm. wondering why you said earlier "and #1 is the correct one" when it wasn't /?
12:24:22stripwax!
12:24:29preglow!"#
12:25:08*stripwax sighs
12:26:02Paul_The_NerdA realistic range is "If you hit 26 you've probably gone too high" right?
12:26:38stripwaxPaul_The_Nerd - possibly. the number refers to the physical drive though, not the drive letter in Windows.
12:26:45Paul_The_NerdYeah
12:27:01Paul_The_NerdBut it's really not usable without a drive letter as well.
12:27:08stripwaxso the realistic range is probably the number of ide/scsi channels
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12:27:26stripwax+ number of usb ports, or something
12:27:51stripwax26 should be plenty anyway. but 12 is probably just as good, say
12:28:01Paul_The_NerdBut the number of USB ports can reach much higher than 25 if someone is crazy enough.
12:28:26stripwaxonly matters if a drive is plugged into each one!]
12:28:40Paul_The_NerdTrue
12:28:53stripwaxif the user knows they have 28 usb drives plugged into their machine, then they might need to go up to ipodpatcher 28 to find the right one
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12:29:15stripwaxbut I think that's unlikely
12:29:17Paul_The_NerdYes, but they'll have run out of drive letters earlier than that won't they? Making transferring rockbox.ipod difficult?
12:29:52*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
12:29:53stripwaxah, see what you're saying. good point.
12:30:05Paul_The_NerdEither way, 26 is a suitable enough number
12:30:08stripwaxyeah
12:30:25Paul_The_NerdThe real goal for putting it on the installation page was so that I don't have another person tell me he got to 300 without success and making me want to cry
12:30:40stripwaxyeah, that was a fun thread
12:31:01Paul_The_NerdI can't imagine sitting down and incrementing the number that many times before asking for help.
12:31:56LinusNscorche: bug fix committed
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12:32:54scorcheLinusN: where was the error (i currently am re-doing a couple of things so i do not have a cross-compiler set up)
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12:38:10wehnAnyone else ever seen a strange display corruption on the iriver LCD remote?
12:38:37wehnIt looks like the display has been pushed up about 2.5 lines and the bit pushed off the top appears at the bottom
12:38:45JdGordonye, i get that sometimes
12:39:03JdGordonand also the contrast goes to like 0 or something and u cant see the text at all
12:39:32wehnI've only had it half a dozen times, and unplugging and pluging in seems to reset back to normal
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12:39:48Paul_The_NerdWhich remote?
12:39:58wehn*unplug/replug the remote i mean
12:40:16*Genre9mp3 didn't ever had such a problem with the H300 LCD remote
12:40:32wehnIt's the h100 remote with a H300 player (may actually be an IMP550 remote but they seem to be identical to h100)
12:41:12Paul_The_NerdDoes the IMP550 remote also say multi-codec jukebox?
12:41:33wehnanyway its happened now and I haven't un/replugged incase there's sometime useful I can do for someone.
12:41:38wehn.. no it says..
12:42:09wehn"multi-codec cd player / fm tuner" but looks the same
12:42:57Paul_The_NerdAnyway, you could check in the debug screen to see what remote type it's saying you have
12:43:26scorcheLinusN: why am i not seeing the commit?
12:44:45wehn"view i/o ports"- remotetype:: 1, ADC_REMOTE: FF, ADC_REMOTEDETECT: 3D
12:44:51stripwaxwehn - hmm, does that remote work properly with the stock iriver firmware?
12:45:31wehnyes, and it also works properly with rockbox besides the occational (rare) vertical wraping issue.
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12:46:50wehnBesides the display still works now, just have to adjust to the way it looks (or un/re plug :)
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12:51:34wehnWhats the h100 remote report as?
12:52:57Paul_The_NerdOn the H100 with H100 remote the ADC_REMOTEDETECT is 6D
12:53:14*Paul_The_Nerd doesn't have a 300
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12:56:24LinusNscorche: i have fixed the build scripts now
12:56:38LinusNshould start in a few minutes
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12:58:49wehnPaul_The_Nerd: oh, is the IMP550 known to report differently? (tempted to un/replug)
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13:03:22Paul_The_Nerdwehn: No clue. Nobody's really talked about the IMP550 remote before, so it's kinda an unknown I believe.
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13:04:33Hansmaulwurfhttp://images.digitalshop.ru/big/tovar/iriver-imp550.jpg <−−- looks like the H100 one
13:04:49Paul_The_NerdWe've already established they look similar. ;)
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13:05:05Hansmaulwurfah sorry
13:05:07Hansmaulwurf:(
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13:05:45Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: You said you get the screen dislocation occasionally. You're definitely using an H100 remote, and not an IMP550 one?
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13:10:24wehnHmm. reboot/unreplug and now it's switching between 3D, 3C, 3E. Mostly says it's 3D. odd. Display is normal though.
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13:11:30Paul_The_NerdMine is mostly 6D with a bit of 6C
13:11:44Paul_The_NerdBut I'm not sure if it's different for H100s for some reason
13:15:03wehnooh. it's 79 with hold on. now 7A 7B pressing buttons. (as yes i am reading REMOTEDETECT)
13:15:26bluebrotherPaul_The_Nerd, what are you looking for? GPIO values for the remote?
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13:16:35Paul_The_Nerdbluebrother: the ADC_REMOTEDETECT value on an H100 remote on H300 player
13:16:49wehnPaul_The_Nerd: does H300/H100 change the remotedetect value for the same given remote?
13:17:03bluebrotheryou need the values for h100?
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13:17:33wehnh100 remote on h300?
13:17:51bluebrotherI have only a h120 with remote.
13:18:04Paul_The_Nerdbluebrother: I have an H100/H100 setup, and I'm getting 6C/6D range, wehn has an IMP550 remote, and getting 3D for that value, and we were wondering if that's because of a difference in the remote or if the value is different because his base is an H300
13:18:26*petur grabs his h340 and h100 remote
13:18:29Paul_The_NerdThe remote looks nearly identical to the H100 remote (everything visible except the words beneath the screen seems the same)
13:19:14peturwtf... my h340 just froze :(
13:19:51bluebrotherok, 6c for me too, d8 with remote hold enabled.
13:20:10bluebrotherif it helps in any way ...
13:20:52Paul_The_NerdThat's the same as me
13:21:03Paul_The_NerdWell, within 2 either way, so same range as me
13:21:14peturPaul_The_Nerd:I get 3D
13:21:21wehnhave we heard from the h300/h100 remote combo yet?
13:21:32peturand 79 with hold on
13:21:59Paul_The_Nerdpetur: So, H100 remote plus H300 base should be 3D, which means his is reporting the same values there at least.
13:22:15bluebrotherwhat's the rockbox.<ext> extension for archos devices?
13:22:30scorchebluebrother: for which device?
13:22:52bluebrotherscorche, all archos devices.
13:23:17bluebrotherI know there are two different extensions, but I don't know which applies to what device.
13:24:00wehnPaul_The_Nerd: so IMP550 and H100 remotes must be the same hardware wise too.
13:24:08Paul_The_NerdNot *must* be.
13:24:12Paul_The_NerdBut there's no obvious difference
13:24:18scorche.mod for player, .ajz for recorders/ondios
13:24:42wehnPaul_The_Nerd: yeah, probably the same, look the same, ID the same. :)
13:24:46tucozinteresting, I found a disassembled BL_H10.rom with the keys from the mi4code file. http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:SeXCezYQ1Q0J:www.scribbleninja.org.uk/iriver/BL_H10.html+0x20d36cc0&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
13:24:58bluebrotherscorche, thanks.
13:25:14bluebrothertucoz, I'm changing the file formats table a bit ...
13:25:33tucozgood idea
13:26:13bluebrotherespecially split up the File Type into Type and Extension.
13:26:29wehnJdGordon: which remote/player do you have?
13:26:43tucozand maybe opt some file types as well
13:26:54tucozlike movie for instance
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13:27:08bluebrotheralready at it ...
13:27:19tucozcool
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13:28:07bluebrotherthe only remaining problem is the "Audio File" entry. I can't enumerate all file extensions for SWCODEC ;-)
13:28:46peturah, the buildscript is working again
13:28:49scorcheLinusN: i updated to the latest build, and the bug still persists
13:28:50tucozMaybe just mention it as a audio file
13:29:01tucoz(in general)
13:29:08tucozsupported audio file that is
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13:30:12bluebrotherthe problem is that wave files have a different entry
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13:30:32tucozoh, didn't know that
13:30:59bluebrotherI thought about adding a footnote, but I think for now I'll just use a \emph{various}
13:31:08tucozBut they use the same icon right?
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13:32:46bluebrotherno, actually not.
13:32:53bluebrotherit's a _bit_ different ...
13:34:07*tucoz looks
13:34:16LinusNpetur: you there?
13:34:22scorcheLinusN: in fact, it seems as if the build has not changed at all...not quite sure if something is still going wrong on my transfers...
13:34:29peturfrom time to time ;)
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13:35:07tucozbluebrother, you are right. The difference was very hard to catch on my h120 :)
13:35:47LinusNscorche: what version did you download?
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13:37:00LinusNpetur: i /msg:d you
13:37:28petursorry, I don't see anything
13:37:46scorcheLinusN: whichever was off of the CVS builds...however, my ajr lists the version as 060701-0317....
13:38:58XavierGrwow timid is back?
13:39:16LinusNpetur: am i on your ignore liet?
13:39:19LinusNlist
13:39:40peturdon't have one... you got my msg?
13:39:45LinusNyes
13:40:01peturand you replied on it
13:40:06LinusNyes
13:40:23LinusNwhich client are you using?
13:40:32peturnettalk
13:40:41LinusNnever heard of it
13:40:43peturhave done PM's before
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13:41:48peturLinusN: pm'd myself and it worked
13:41:57LinusNweird
13:42:03LinusNi pm_ed p3tur
13:42:07peturdid you identify?
13:42:23peturp3tur received nothing too
13:42:26LinusNah, my identify seems to have failed
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13:48:07scorcheLinusN: hrm....something must be going on with my end...tried it for the fourth time, and it did update successfully
13:48:22scorchesorry for that
13:48:58LinusNnp
13:49:37scorcheLinusN: the bug while in the WPS still is there however....but the line bug is fixed
13:50:34LinusNyes, i haven't attacked the wps bug nyet
13:50:37LinusNyet
13:51:04scorchealright
13:51:28scorcheit is starting to get light outside now, which means that it is time for bed =)
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14:00:18bluebrothertucoz, have you read FS #5620? We should make a decision on scale levels for hi-res targets.
14:02:51tucozread it just now. I am not sure what to do with the scaling
14:03:26bluebrotherI think we could simply increase the size of screenshot for targets with resolutions liks > 200px
14:03:34tucozto 5 cm?
14:03:41bluebrothersomething like that.
14:03:53tucozCould be worth a shot, and see how it looks.
14:03:57bluebrothermaybe 6cm ... need to try it.
14:04:00tucoz:)
14:04:10bluebrotherI'm at the other points he noted atm.
14:04:36tucozI'll be back later. got to go now.
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14:14:40bluebrotherdamn. \opt introduces a bunch of unwanted spaces pretty often :(
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14:46:13elljayi just put rockbox on my nano.. using the nano green theme... so nice
14:46:24elljaymakes it a whole new actually usable unit
14:46:28elljayi love you guys
14:47:15preglownano green theme???
14:47:16preglowwhere!!!
14:47:27elljayhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano
14:48:15elljaythere's a ton of nano themes
14:48:28elljayif you step back on the wiki you can get themes for all of the units
14:48:35preglowahh, THAT green theme
14:48:44preglowi thought nudelyn had finally made a version of his green theme :>
14:48:52Paul_The_NerdHeh
14:48:56elljaysirry
14:48:58preglowhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Nudel_Green_5G
14:49:05elljayit's good enuf for me for now
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14:50:33elljayi'm using iPod Blue5g on my 30gb video
14:53:16nudelyn2which font did you want again preglow?
14:54:20preglownudelyn2: no idea :>
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14:54:59JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: wehn: ye, soz, went out for a while.. i got the h100 remote
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14:55:42tucozpreglow, the keys for the decryption of the H10 are found in the bootloader of the Sansa as well.
14:56:07Paul_The_NerdThe H10's keys are found in the Sansa's BL?
14:56:10tucozyes
14:56:21Paul_The_NerdThat seems somewhat odd.
14:56:39tucozbut they are at different addresses
14:57:00Paul_The_NerdDo you think they're used for something?
14:57:07tucozthat is. the keys for the H10, are found in the BL_H10 boot loader
14:57:33tucozand the same keys are found in the BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom
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14:58:17preglowtucoz: interesting
14:58:24tucozI have no idea what to do with it, just wanted to mention it
14:58:38preglowsounds like they use portalplayers kit for very much, then
14:58:49tucozyes, it does
14:59:12tucozI ran arm-elf-objdump -D −−disassemble-zeroes −−target binary -marm BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom > BL_SD_boardSupportSD.dump
14:59:37tucozand arm-elf-objdump -D −−disassemble-zeroes −−target binary -marm BL_H10.rom > BL_H10.dump
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15:00:36tucozjust search for the keys 20D36CC0, 10E8C07D, C0E7DCAA, 107EB080 in the dumps
15:01:02tucozthey are found in the same way in both files, in successive order.
15:01:46Paul_The_NerdBut the MI4s are encrypted differently.
15:02:01tucozok
15:02:55preglowtucoz: how do you know they are keys?
15:03:07tucozpreglow, look in the source for the mi4code
15:03:18preglowsometime later, maybe
15:03:29tucozthose numbers are used as keys
15:03:30preglowi'm on my way out right now
15:03:52tucozdisassembly of the H10 (found in the google cache) http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:SeXCezYQ1Q0J:www.scribbleninja.org.uk/iriver/BL_H10.html+0x20d36cc0&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
15:04:00tucozBL_H10 bootloader
15:04:09merbanantucoz: the 4 keys are found at to places in the sansa bootloader
15:04:12tucozand the same keys are found there
15:04:13preglowhaha
15:04:16merbanantwo
15:04:18preglowi remember i analysed that code
15:04:23tucozmerbanan, yes, in the h10 as well
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15:05:11preglowanyway, gotta go enjoy the sun
15:05:12preglowlater
15:06:27tucozi know little of this. just found a coinsidence, thats all :)
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15:12:15tucozmerbanan, if you look at address 5f5f8: in the sansa dump, you find the exact same sequence of code as in the H10 dump from googles cache
15:12:43merbananI know, it's the code the decryptor is based on
15:14:11Paul_The_NerdBut evidence suggests that the Sansa MI4 is encrypted differently (the byte distribution)
15:15:11tucozbut that the same keys are found in both bootloaders might help with the decryption (in some way)
15:15:58RedBrevaAnyone know the URL to the site page with Windows Sims to download... no access to dev env at present, but need a sim for a screenshot!!
15:16:22tucozRedBreva, rasher.dk/rockbox I think
15:16:33Paul_The_NerdYeah, somewhere under that
15:16:40RedBrevaCool... Thanks
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15:17:38RedBrevayep... it's at rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ Thanks again
15:18:33nudelyn2are there screenshots of the fonts which comewith rockbox? i can only find the one with the adobe fonts
15:20:33Spidawhat happened to rockbox optimized?
15:20:53Paul_The_NerdThe person who was compiling the patches stopped?
15:22:34Hansmaulwurfnudelyn2: you need to installe the font pack
15:22:37Hansmaulwurfwait a moment
15:23:37Hansmaulwurfnudelyn2: go to the daily-builds, there is a font-build
15:23:50Paul_The_NerdHansmaulwurf: Nudelyn is asking about screenshots of them, not the fonts themselves.
15:23:51Hansmaulwurfit has a rockbox logo
15:24:01Hansmaulwurfgna
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15:27:50Hansmaulwurfrasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ <−−- something like that nudelyn2?
15:29:49nudelyn2yeah, but with the build-in fonts. i think that has diff ones
15:29:53nudelyn2doesn't matter now, i've picked one
15:30:10Hansmaulwurfbut you can download them from the page
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15:59:43tucozbluebrother, do you know that you can opt for brand now? like \opt{ipod,iriver}{..}
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16:01:03Paul_The_NerdIs iPod a brand?
16:01:30Paul_The_NerdWhat kinda things do you enclose in brand opts anyway?
16:02:41tucozwell, sortof. Things that are ipod-specific, like the install instructions
16:02:49Paul_The_NerdWell then using "iriver" is dangerous.
16:03:03tucozyes, that should be used with caution
16:03:15Paul_The_NerdIf the iFP port gets to a usable level there will likely be differences between that and the iHP / H series
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16:03:56Paul_The_NerdNot to mention if the progress that's been made on the H10 firmware updates leads to a bootloader for that series.
16:04:05bluebrothertucoz, I noticed it in the platform files.
16:04:22bluebrotherbut I also found out opt to blame for unwanted spaces :(
16:04:28tucozhehe
16:04:36bluebrotherat least I know who to blame ;-)
16:04:38tucozyes, I read about that in the optional package (I think)
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16:04:51bluebrothernever read that ... maybe I should.
16:04:56*bluebrother needs lots of more time
16:05:13tucozme too
16:06:17tucozPaul_The_Nerd, there are issues with opting in a complete range of players. But, there are also a benefit of using that.
16:06:26tucozbenefits
16:07:03tucozno example right now, but there are places where it could be used.
16:08:39Paul_The_NerdUnder what circumstances would you use iriver where it would include H100, H300, H10, and iFP-700?
16:09:36tucozdon't know, it was more useful before the nopt command
16:09:40Paul_The_NerdWouldn't it be better to lump them into series? For example, the iPod is a series of players. The Hxxx is a series, the Hxx is a series, the iFP-7/8xx is a series
16:09:57Paul_The_NerdSince Hxxx covers both 100s and 300s, and so on.
16:10:15tucozright, that might be more useful (in the iriver case)
16:10:30Paul_The_NerdWell future case for the iAudios too
16:10:32tucozwould be
16:10:40Paul_The_NerdThe M5 and the X5 are nearly identical too, aren't they? Like 100 and 300 irivers.
16:10:54tucozI think so.
16:11:10Paul_The_NerdYou'd have player "families" rather than brands.
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16:12:02tucozthat is better, yes. Like, ipod, recorder, player, hxxx, ondio
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16:12:39tucozas the ondio's is quite different compared to the other archoses
16:12:48tucozgrr, are
16:12:53Paul_The_NerdHehehe
16:13:38Paul_The_NerdThat also means that if a couple players from different brands end up identical (ones that are very close to stock PortalPlayer designs, perhaps) then most of the install instructions may be identical.
16:14:26Paul_The_NerdGet it set up well now, so that future strangeness is less likely to need a rewrite. :)
16:14:37tucozexactly. the "lumping" is a good idea, but not in its current state
16:15:05tucozI look at it later on, got to go now
16:15:20Paul_The_NerdJust voicing ideas while I remember 'em.
16:15:21Paul_The_Nerd:)
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19:33:18sharpesame.
19:33:28tucozgot to go. penalty shoot out :)
19:33:39dionoeaengland will lose
19:33:53sharpewho's playing?
19:34:19dionoeaengland and portugal
19:34:26sharpealright
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22:03:42user01i have rockbox on a ipod g4 grayscale and installed rpckbox and my ogg files were ripped at q8 and the player skips often, any suggestions to troubleshoot fix ?
22:04:13user01the problem is only with ogg files so far...flac plays fine
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22:05:47Ribsuser01: The iPod port of ratbox is currently immature
22:06:02RibsCPU intensive stuff can screw up a little, as you're seeing
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22:06:11Ribsas it only works with one of the CPUs inside the iPod right now
22:06:34user01Ribs: ah ok...is there another port for ipod that can handle ogg files better?
22:07:23user01my battery was drained in 4 hours after being fully charged trying to play skippy ogg files
22:07:23Ribsno idea
22:07:31Ribsyeah, it will do
22:07:37Ribsratbox will get better for the iPod
22:07:40user01its weird though that flac files play fine
22:07:43Ribsit'll just take time, and a lot of effort
22:07:55Ribscan you try lower bitrate oggs?
22:08:10user01im sure thanks for your effort though its really a wonderful os otherwise
22:08:46user01Ribs: nah id rather just waiter for it to mature...id help out if i knew any programming :P
22:08:53user01id be willing to test though :)
22:09:00RibsI'm not a developer
22:09:12Ribswhen I first used ratbox, I donated money tho... I was that impressed
22:09:18Ribssadly, I've been forced to Apple's firmware
22:09:24Ribsratbox's bugs are too much for me atm :)
22:09:42user01i cant use apples firmware cause i use oggs
22:10:14user01maybe i will try ipod linux
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22:18:27midkayRibs, 'ratbox'?
22:18:38Ribsbah
22:18:41RibsROCKbox
22:18:45RibsI'm *always* doing that :/
22:18:56midkayconfusing with something else?
22:18:59idnarheh
22:19:45Ribsyeah
22:19:57Ribsratbox is the software which powers a ircd I run
22:20:07Ribsthe similar names confuse lil ribs :(
22:21:28midkayhaha.
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22:32:33esotericis rockbox the only way to get file tree structure on an ipod?
22:33:04dionoeayes
22:33:10dionoeaor ipod linux
22:39:46earHertzesoteric: ratbox
22:40:04esoterichrmm havent heard of that
22:41:09esotericsomething for linux?
22:45:32scorcheesoteric: making fun of Ribs ;)
22:45:49Ribs:(
22:45:54*Ribs cries in the corner
22:46:05*scorche gives Ribs a tirrus
22:46:09scorcheerrr...
22:46:11scorche*tissue
22:46:33RibsI'd prefer a tirrus
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22:47:00scorcheyou probably would considering that the tissue i gave you was made out of steel wool
22:47:14Ribssexy
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22:57:24midkayhaha.
22:58:03midkayand before sharpe says something. that wasn't meant to be helful!
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23:00:19scorchemidkay: you act like you are _afraid_ of sharpe...
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23:01:58midkayno, i just want to shut him up. i know he'll go on and on about it if i don't.
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23:02:24scorchewell, that isnt very nice
23:02:38midkayoh. i mean. wrong window.
23:02:58midkaywhat i meant to type here was, i love sharpe and i just want to save him the effort of writing that.
23:03:05dionoea:D
23:03:31scorche=D
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23:22:50Rincewind_12hello
23:23:31Rincewind_12Is someone here who knows the gwps.c source reasonably well?
23:29:58midkaydo you have a particular question?
23:30:18midkaymaybe nobody around is very familiar with it but can nevertheless lend a hand..
23:31:09Rincewind_12yes, at the button handler code, sometimes in the switch options there is "return = true;"
23:31:30Rincewind_12on what events is this supposed to be set?
23:31:54Rincewind_12for instance, it is set on main menu, but not on quick menu
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23:32:43Rincewind_12hello linus, thanks for the comment on my patch!
23:33:04midkayi see "restore = true" and "return true" but not "return = true"..
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23:33:32Rincewind_12I meant return true of course
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23:34:38Rincewind_12as I understand it, if "return true;" is set in a function this function is abortet instantly, right?
23:35:18midkayyes, and 'true' is returned to wherever it was called from.
23:36:23Rincewind_12so if I exit a menu to wps, the file browser should show up, but it doesn't. or is the function called directly after this again?
23:37:14midkaynot sure what you mean. exiting a menu should return you back to where you were last, WPS or file browser..
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23:38:26Rincewind_12The thing is, I made the custom rec button patch, I don't know when my own function, which is called on a button, should return true, false or SYS_USB_CONNECTED.
23:38:59Rincewind_12I experimented a bit and it doesn't really seem to matter (with the exeption of the SYS event of course)
23:40:02midkayit's a custom function? if it doesn't need to return anything, you can just make it void.
23:41:36Rincewind_12the function calls other functions (recording screen, quick menu, browse plugins etc.) which return something, but not every function returns the same values, for instance quick menu returns true for usb con, browse plugins returns always false
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23:42:37Rincewind_12so I don't know what I should let my function return to gwps (and what should be done with this information)
23:43:57Rincewind_12If have the time and you don't have something better to do, here is my patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5555
23:44:26midkayah, that bit's a little tricky.. you should probably set up different cases for them all.. e.g. quickscreen returns true for usb? -> if( quick_screen() ) { return SYS_USB_CONNECTED; }
23:44:36midkaysure, i could have a look.
23:45:48Rincewind_12yes, i was thinking of that (thats why I'm asking). For quickmenu it is easy, but the other functions aren't dokumented what their return values mean.
23:46:24midkayah, i see.. well, you just have to see what cases return true and false or anything else and why that happens..
23:47:33LinusNthe menu functions return true when the browser needs to reload the directory contents
23:47:51Rincewind_12I had some looks, but these functions don't get called from gwps normally, so there return values are maybe supposed to work in a different context.
23:48:01LinusNmostly when having been in the USB mode
23:49:03Rincewind_12ah ok, that's clearer then. So everytime the browser has to reload the wps gets exited and entered directly again?
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23:50:44LinusNno
23:51:08LinusNhmmm
23:51:48LinusNwell, yes, the wps exits back to the browser
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23:54:15Rincewind_12I think I understand it now. Thanks
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23:57:02Rincewind_12my patch uses a global variable, is it more apropriate to make it lokal and write a set function?

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