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#rockbox log for 2006-07-05

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00:11:08Mult|PaSsis there a way to config the buttons of rockbox so it acts like ipod navigation?
00:13:39dwihnoButton reconfiguration requires you to change the source code and recompile the firmware.
00:13:47Mult|PaSs:( k
00:17:20linuxstb_Mult|PaSs: What would you want to change?
00:17:42Mult|PaSsi like rockbox better in all ways except the button config
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00:18:04Mult|PaSsMENU is back.. that was easy :)
00:18:20linuxstb_MENU brings up the menu... What other key would you use for that?
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00:18:52|apo|linuxstb: Why, the Big Red Button of course.
00:18:58dwihnoLearning the rockbox button mapping is not too hard...
00:19:31Mult|PaSswhy do I need the menu? its got the settings and playlists. (dont use playlists
00:19:39S0apyay - three reboots later it finally found all my new folders!
00:19:51Mult|PaSsI just want the menu to be the 'back' button like originally is
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00:22:21S0apI upped the maximum # of folders to 600 (I only have 575), and turned off the cache, rebooted, yet it still didn't display all my new folders. rebooted twice more and there they were.
00:22:39linuxstb_Mult|PaSs: Remember also that Rockbox runs on a large number of DAPs from various different manufacturers - the aim is not to mimic one particular DAP's original firmware, but to provide a consistent interface across all DAPs.
00:23:31Mult|PaSstrue. But a configger with a gui would be nice. But I will survive
00:23:43Mult|PaSsthanx for making rockbox btw.. if there are coders in here :)
00:24:22CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:24:22*preglow falls asleep
00:24:45dwihnoMult|PaSs: honestly, I think it's more intuitive to have "left" as back instead of menu
00:26:08S0apI agree it is more logical, but more intuitive after years of ipoding???
00:27:49dwihnoNah
00:27:53dwihnoProbably not :)
00:28:12dwihnoTo be honest, I never tried playing anything back using the ipod fw
00:29:39S0apIt's not bad, but i am so used to browing the directory tree.
00:30:14S0apmy albums not being sorted by artist, but not year of release kills me.
00:30:26S0ap(scratch the first "not")
00:30:39dwihnoTag cache to the rescue?
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00:31:37Mult|PaSsI really dont understand how you can use the original apple software and enjoy 500 albums!
00:31:46Mult|PaSsUnless you make a playlist from every album
00:32:08S0apnah, directory tree is good enough. Mine folders are all <Artist> - <Year> - <Album Title>
00:32:16S0ap*my
00:32:16Mult|PaSsthat is what i like so much about rockbox. It works like Explorer. From A-Z
00:32:27dwihnoS0ap: Yeah, I'm too a directory tree person....
00:32:43dwihnoArtist - Album (year)
00:32:47Mult|PaSsMijn Artist - Album/Trck - Artist - Title.mp3
00:32:50 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@67-40-198-98.tukw.qwest.net)
00:32:52Mult|PaSsYear is in tag :)
00:33:17linuxstb_artist/year-album/track.flac
00:33:18dwihnoArtist - Album (year)/01. Title.mp3
00:33:27dwihnoway! flac!
00:33:31Mult|PaSswhat is a Good font to use? my dad cant read rockbox font :)))
00:33:40S0apthe ipod native FW and VA albums don't get along. I have only a couple of dozen VAs, but they pollute the "Artist" view on the ipod.
00:34:02Mult|PaSssoap yeah
00:34:04Mult|PaSsman I hate that
00:34:12Mult|PaSsyou end up with 8000 artists
00:34:17S0apexactly.
00:34:18Mult|PaSswhile you only know 200
00:34:24Mult|PaSs7800 are from crappy VA's
00:34:31Mult|PaSsone day 'hit' wonders :)
00:34:33dwihnoMoving is a bad thing when you realize you don't have a slightest idea where the SecureDigital chips are and you need them tomorrow...
00:34:45linuxstb_That annoyed me as well - even albums with guest performers on certain tracks give a whole new artist
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00:35:12timemoblol
00:35:14Mult|PaSsnative FW is a laugh..
00:35:48Mult|PaSsreally dont understand why ppl love it.. When you choose ALBUM, you only get album names! Like you know every single album name of every artist
00:36:10timemobso i plugged my nano to usb to charge for a few hours then powered that pc off.
00:36:17Mult|PaSsAnd you get ZZ-top maybe first because the album starts with an A
00:36:30timemobthis morning i gota dead batt
00:37:04timemobgg rockbox devs
00:38:39timemobda fuq is album?
00:39:08timemoball my mp3s are named as crc32.mp3
00:39:15Mult|PaSslol
00:39:18Mult|PaSsu got issues
00:39:20timemobin one dir
00:41:01timemobnow playing: 38B04F51.MP3
00:42:15midkayMult|PaSs, hm, instead of browsing by ALL albums what would you propose?
00:42:18timemobrockbox needs autorename to crc32 function
00:42:37midkayif you browse by album of course you should be able to.. gasp.. view a list of all albums.
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00:42:42midkayotherwise you wouldn't be using that mode.
00:42:53Mult|PaSsyes of course
00:42:55timemobhy
00:43:02Mult|PaSsbut you dont know what artist it is
00:43:10Mult|PaSsso why not ALBUM - ARTIST
00:43:15midkayand? if you know the album, it doesn't matter what the artist is..
00:43:19timemobstatus of implementing crc32 in rockbox
00:43:22midkaywhy not then just browse by artist? much quicker.
00:43:34Mult|PaSsdude when you got 400 cd's you dont now all the names
00:43:39midkaythen use the ARTIST mode, huh?
00:43:51Mult|PaSsthat sux more because all the VA ppl are in the list to
00:43:52Mult|PaSs:)
00:44:06midkaywhen you do happen to know the album name then album mode might be useful, but it's not meant to be the primary browsing mode.
00:44:53 Quit ender` (" “That’s right, babe,” Cochrane chortled. “We’re not possessors, we’re just like dimensionally disadvantaged.” -- Peter F. Ha)
00:45:37timemobi want rockbox to have function to calc crc32 of mp3 then rename to crc32.mp3 plz
00:45:44Mult|PaSslistening to vivaldi's III Presto :)
00:45:53Mult|PaSslol timemob.. just clean your ipod and put it all back on
00:46:17timemobwhy
00:46:28timemobhow does that help
00:47:08timemobi want all my mp3s to be 8.3
00:47:32 Quit Zagor ("Klienten avslutas")
00:48:09timemobGREATE~1.MP3
00:49:11timemobis dum but 1234ABCD.MP3 isnt
00:49:44Mult|PaSswhy you want all 8.3
00:49:46timemob.gh
00:49:46timemob.gh
00:49:56timemobhas to be
00:50:29timemobeverything must be 8.3
00:50:33PaulJamtimemob: then either implement it yourself or find a dev that is interested in that function
00:50:55PaulJamwhy don't you just rename the files on the pc?
00:51:23timemobalso i request rockbox.ipod to rename to ROCKBOX.IPO
00:52:12timemobcuz thats the only other non-compliant file
00:52:24PaulJamtimemob: what about the .rockbox folder?
00:52:45timemoboshi~
00:52:59qwmargh. trying to figure out how udev works.. anyone?
00:53:10timemoblol udev
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00:53:53qwmgot any problem with it? :p
00:54:04timemobi want rename function on ipod to do it automatically
00:54:31timemobnow i calc crc32 and rename manually
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00:55:20linuxstb_Those long summer evenings must just fly by...
00:55:57timemoband i want dirname theyare in if any to be xor of crc32 of all files inside
00:56:31PaulJamand i want a pony!
00:56:37timemoba|b|c etc
00:56:48timemober ^
00:57:03*obo thinks the pony is more likely to turn up
00:57:12timemoba^b^c
00:57:41PaulJamthese guys at last.fm promised me one, but i never got it.
00:57:59timemobis this best done by plugin or?
00:58:27timemobmenu in filebrowser?
00:59:09timemobhi?
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01:01:30 Quit Mult|PaSs ("--==== FiFth eLeMeNt Rulez =====--")
01:01:45timemobif rockbox had a lua scripting engine i could add this myself
01:02:08midkayhah.
01:02:10midkaya.
01:03:24timemobso how to add crc32 renamer?
01:04:04PaulJamtimemob: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
01:04:28timemobyes but where
01:04:41timemobin file manager?
01:04:47timemobor plugin?
01:05:04timemobor else..?
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01:06:41|apo|timemob: PaulJam's telling you to make a plugin yourself.
01:06:49timemobhello?
01:06:51|apo|If you don't know how, tough luck.
01:07:13timemobi know lua
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01:07:26midkayrockbox doesn't support or use lua in any way.
01:07:30timemobdoes rockbox plugin in lua?
01:07:39timemoboic
01:07:44timemobwhy not
01:07:56midkaybecause we don't need or want it. rockbox is written in C.
01:08:11PaulJami think it is your choice how to implement it. i doubt that it has a chance to get committed anyway.
01:08:29midkayyeah, quite an.. esoteric plugin.
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01:08:42timemobwhy are you so sure
01:08:48midkayso sure of what?
01:09:02midkaywho on earth wants to rename all their mp3s with their crcs? very few..
01:09:14midkayin fact, what is the point, may i ask?
01:09:26timemobmany people havent discovered the joy of 8.3 mp3s
01:09:35midkay8.3 mp3s?
01:09:51PaulJammaybe some kind of brain training
01:09:53timemobthats what it would rename to
01:09:55|apo|midkay: mp3s with 8 byte filenames and 3 byte extensions, I guess
01:10:01timemobcrc32.mp3
01:10:37midkaytimemob, well, i don't think you've discovered the lack-of-joy of them.. i really, really doubt you'll find a person in here who's remotely interested in that.
01:10:42timemoblike 1234ABCD.MP3
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01:12:11timemobthen i will have to do it myself
01:12:20midkaygee, ya think? :)
01:12:53timemobfirst you must add lua support though
01:13:06midkaythat's getting pretty old.
01:13:31midkayyou got linked to a guide, nobody cares about "8.3 mp3s", you're welcome to figure it out if you're so interested in randomly-named files.
01:13:56timemobyou just hate lua cuz its written by brazilian
01:14:00PaulJamit would be nice to have a plugin that compares the crc of the audiodata in an mp3 with the music crc stored in the lame header.
01:14:04midkaydamn, how'd you know?!
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01:15:30timemobhow can you add a crc to file without changing crc?
01:16:07linuxstb_"crc of the audiodata"
01:16:30timemobmidcay because racial hate for languages is common
01:17:07timemoblike people hate python cuz its by a spic
01:17:11timemobbrb
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01:17:45|apo|[01:16:31] <timemob> midcay because racial hate for languages is common < Yup
01:17:50|apo|I hate French, for example.
01:18:23midkaymidcay. haha.
01:18:41|apo|^^
01:18:51|apo|That guy's kinda funny
01:18:59midkayreally?
01:19:18|apo|Or it's just that I have a weird sense of humor :P
01:19:39midkayi'll laugh at nearly anything, but this is just stupid..
01:20:04|apo|True
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02:30:06midkaywhat the hell.
02:30:08midkaythe wiki's.. uh.
02:30:13midkayweird.
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02:40:15midkaywho's working on it?
02:46:07pixelmaZagor is... "15.28.05 # * Zagor is testing the new wiki version. Don't panic." ...see the log :)
02:47:44midkayhuh.
02:47:51midkayweird.
02:48:00midkayi've been here for.. hours.. it's not in my log.
02:48:16dongsoh wow
02:48:19dongsi like that CRC32 idea.
02:48:38midkayhow unexpected..
02:48:57pixelmayesterday's log of course - it's almost 3am here
02:49:22midkayit can't possibly have been here that long.
02:49:31midkayi just checked it a couple hours ago at most and it was normal..
02:50:04dongs22:28 * Zagor is testing the new wiki version. Don't panic.
02:50:28midkaythanks for reiterating uselessly, per usual..
02:59:20dongsno problem
02:59:23dongsjust doing my part
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03:01:08midkaywe appreciate it.
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03:21:18OPPhi i have a problem. i cant view the fonts part of rockbox on my ipod is that a problem or am i doing something wrong
03:23:08wehnhave you installed the fonts package?
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03:25:31OPPi thought so
03:27:04mantono OPP: you are aware of that ROckbox doesn't come with the same default font as with Apples firmware?
03:27:55OPPlol yes
03:28:01OPPbut i went into the font section
03:28:09OPPok
03:28:13OPPi click on fonts
03:28:17OPPand i see that its loading the menu
03:28:22OPPthen nothing happens
03:28:27OPPi dont see any other font choices
03:28:39dongsthen you didnt install the fonts package.
03:28:44mantonoOkey
03:29:00OPPi downloaded the 'latest fonts' from the daily buid section
03:29:08OPPand put that in
03:29:12OPPif thats what youre talking about
03:30:07OPPwait i restarted and now it works
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03:31:26mantonoHehe, it always works when you ask someone for help ;)
03:32:27OPPya
03:32:29OPPi guess
03:32:29OPPty
03:39:18OPPhmm this is great
03:39:28OPPgiving a presentation in class and i need to play a song in FLAC
03:48:46actionshrimprecord yourself over it and dub
03:50:29mantonoOPP: what iPod do you have?
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04:00:10dongsflac? i think about a total of 0 linux users in your classroom will be able to tell the difference btween your project playing in FLAC vs something INDUSTRY STANDARD like MP3.
04:01:02OPPhah no
04:01:11dongshah yes
04:01:28OPPno, thats not the circumstances
04:01:34OPPi have a cd ripped in flac
04:01:58OPPand i need to play a song from it
04:02:00OPPin a history class
04:02:23dongsyes but whats stopping you from just decoding flac to .wav and then encoding it to mp3.
04:02:33OPPtime
04:02:41earHertzOPP: you an't convert it before the class?
04:02:48OPPi like flac :-D
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05:30:20midkaydongs, why flac->wav->mp3?
05:37:28earHertzmidkay: flacs ARE wavs
05:37:38earHertzjust losslessly compressed
05:37:42midkaythat's why I *ASKED*
05:37:45midkaywhy he said convert to wav first.
05:37:54earHertzwell, he meant decpmpress
05:37:59midkaydecompress.. why?
05:38:18earHertzbecause teh wav->mp3 converter may or may not recognize a flac
05:38:21midkayhe said decode, but.. yeah.. either way.. why?
05:38:34midkayuh, why not just use a.. uh... flac->mp3 coverter? what an idea!
05:39:06earHertzmidkay: that's against teh unix phiolospohy of one tool for each job, and a bunch or pipes
05:39:17midkayone tool for each job?
05:39:26midkayflac -> wav wav -> mp3
05:39:29midkayis against one tool for each job.
05:39:36earHertzunflac < foo | lame > fopo.mp3
05:40:24midkaythat's two tools for one job.
05:40:52earHertz2 jobs
05:41:04midkayflac -> mp3 is one job.
05:41:12midkayyou're using two tools to accomplish it.
05:42:13midkayearHertz, i don't think you've been around long enough to discover that dongs is the token channel idiot.. i just wanted to hear from him why he said that, thus why i addressed him in my message.
05:44:14earHertzmidkay: no, I got that, from his arguing with OPPs. but even astoped clock is right twice a day
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06:00:39MoosMorning !
06:01:31midkaymorning Moos :)
06:02:45midkayearHertz, nah, he's not a stopped clock, he's a clock that's off time but still running normal speed indefinitely... never right.
06:02:45midkay:)
06:05:12earHertz;)
06:05:21scorche:)
06:05:43midkaySCORCHE!
06:06:00scorcheMIDKAY!
06:06:12midkay:o
06:06:40scorchestart uploading the new map please =)
06:07:08midkayhaha.
06:07:08midkaysoon.
06:07:14scorchewhy soon?
06:07:18midkayi compiled it last night.. tried it.. cool but way too dark in the room..
06:07:25midkayliterally *just* got out of another test.
06:07:26scorcheah
06:07:36midkaystill a bit too dark, fixing that.. couple glitches to fix.. then sure, i'll recompil.e
06:07:37midkay:)
06:08:30scorchevent then
06:09:07midkaythen or now, huh?!
06:09:25scorchenow
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06:09:53midkayh/o h/o!!
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07:45:25americogood morning everybody
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08:08:21g0nhello all ^^
08:09:08g0nquestion: where i can find a nice doom version who works on my h340 ? :)
08:11:01markung0n: well, you could install rockbox. It comes with doom.
08:11:13muesli|delhimarkun ;)
08:11:21americocould somebody tell me if rockbox works on a Digital Player??
08:11:38JdGordonwell it wont work on an analogue one...
08:11:49muesli|delhiwots a digital player??
08:12:48markunKenwood made a player with a 'digital amplifier', but we don't support it
08:13:10markung0n: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
08:15:11markunamerico: this webpage tells you which players are supported: http://www.rockbox.org/
08:16:31g0nhow can i whisper ? whats the command ? /w ?? :D
08:16:54americothanks, I saw it so if it isn't archos, ipod, iriver or iaudio, rockbox won't work on it
08:16:59americo?
08:17:08markunamerico: yes
08:17:59MalnilionNot yet anyway.
08:18:23markunamerico: which player are you interested in?
08:18:35americodigital player
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08:19:14Malnilionamerico, got a link handy?
08:19:33americoa spanish link :)
08:19:51MalnilionEsta bien, hablo espanol un poco. :)
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08:21:20markuny yo tambien
08:21:28americoMalnilion: http://www.lasgalerias.com/product_info.php?products_id=1445
08:22:28americoI couldn't find out what microproccesor use
08:22:43MalnilionWell...that's not even an HD player...
08:22:44g0nmarkun, my problem is that when i want to start doom on my h340 the game told me " .wad file is missing "
08:23:31markung0n: did you read the website I sent you and install the .wad files?
08:24:06Malnilionamerico, if you look at the players Rockbox was designed for, you'll see that they share some main features that make them similar to each other.
08:24:26MalnilionFeatures that this player lacks.
08:24:55MalnilionThere is no LCD screen, for example.
08:25:32MalnilionWell, not a big enough one to count...
08:26:04americoIts display is LCD 128X32
08:26:32g0nyap i do. i will check it now how it works. markun
08:27:11MalnilionBah, I dunno, I don't even know if I'd want a player that small, americo.
08:27:37americo:)
08:27:54MalnilionThe other thing is figuring out how to replace the firmware :P
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08:36:40g0ncould i have more than 1 doom version ( i mean other doom games like doom 2 or something) on the iriver?
08:39:37americodo you know if Archos, iRiver and iAudio players have the capacity of play the same track in the same second once you turn on after a shutdown? I know that iPod do it
08:40:03g0ni river can do this americo
08:40:52g0nspecialty: h340 can do it i know it for 100% ^^ the rest of the players i thnk too but i am not sure
08:41:31MalnilionYeah, the iAudio X5 picks up where it left off when you hit the play button (and maybe automatically if you configure it to, but I'm not certain).
08:41:58JdGordonyes, there is an option to automatically resume playback when it turns on
08:42:02JdGordonshould be on all platforms
08:42:21MalnilionYep, there you have it :)
08:44:03americog0n: can u tell me how much your iRiver h340 cost?
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08:58:51JdGordonthere is nothing really wrong wih mixing structs and classes in c++ ye?
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09:24:08nudelynJdGordon: structs and classes are identical in C++, except for the default protection level (public/private). (In C# the two are very different.)
09:24:31JdGordonk
09:26:03nudelynbit more info here: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/classes-and-objects.html#faq-7.8
09:26:14nudelynextremely good site btw
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09:29:40UncleBillhello friends
09:33:14UncleBillI have an iRiver iHP-140 with RockBox on it. like an idiot, I plugged the wrong power charger into it, and it stopped working. I opened it up and I see one charred chip. unfortunately, I can't read the label on the chip and I'm not a hardware-expert. It has six leads, and I'm hopeful it's the only thing broken
09:34:30UncleBillcan anyone recommend someone to help me fix it?
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09:38:53JdGordonUncleBill: sounds like thats not gonna be fun to fix
09:39:32JdGordongah! someone killed the wiki :D
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09:40:19peturJdGordon: no, Zagor is working on it ;)
09:40:42ZagorJdGordon: nah, that's just me toiling around with the new version. the display system is all different, so I'm struggling to rockbox-ify it
09:40:58JdGordon:
09:41:00JdGordon:)
09:41:34JdGordonUncleBill: which chip did u fry? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverInfo has a pic of the pcb
09:43:16UncleBillJdGordon, I'm looking now. I have a picture I've taken of my board; I could post it somewhere and show you
09:44:05UncleBillI looked at the schematics that Linus posted on the rockbox site, but couldn't make much headway of locating the chip
09:45:26JdGordon.. well unless u can figure out which chip u fried there isnt much chance of someone being able to help u :p
09:46:03UncleBillmy other issue is that once I find the chip, I'm not sure how to replace it. I've soldered plenty in my life, but never surface mount chips. these things are pretty small. I'll have to figure the proper technique and tools
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09:47:23peturchances are, it won't be the only chip that fried. You'll only know once you replaced the obviously fried one. SMD soldering isn't so hard if you have done normal soldering before, just remember these things don't need much heat to flow ;)
09:47:55UncleBillon the picture you sent me to, JdGordon, I see the chip, but can't read the name there. it's U28, along the bottom edge, directly to the left of the reset button
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09:49:27g0namerico, in germany the h340 cost more than 300 euroe in usa i think 300$
09:49:29UncleBillI'm sure you're right, petur
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09:54:42JdGordonUncleBill: i think the marking on that chip says "LTXQ" so at least u know what chip u need to get
09:55:56JdGordonhas any1 got mame setup on linux? where the heck are u supposed to put the roms? (legally obtained of course...) ive got the .zip's in /usr/share/games/xmame/roms which is where kxmame is looking for them but the available games list stays empty?
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09:56:21UncleBillthat looks correct on my model, JdGordon. how did you get that?
09:56:44JdGordonthe link to the 16mb jpeg :D http://www.rockbox.org/iriver/front_large.jpg
09:57:22UncleBillhmmm. I'm looking at that as well. my monitor must not be good
09:58:30UncleBillanyone have any idea what this LTXQ 6-legged chip does?
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10:00:14JdGordonprobably power of some sort.. would explain why it got fried
10:04:24peturUncleBill: a search on the Linear site gives this: http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.do?navId=H0,C3,P1587
10:05:11UncleBillyes, I see other searches show it's logical this would be the first to fry from improper voltage
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10:10:08UncleBillanyone know anybody in the bay area in the U.S. who'd tackle replacing this regulator chip for me?
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10:17:11americocan rockbox run on arhos AV 400 100 GB?
10:18:54americoI mean on archos
10:18:59markunamerico: no
10:19:40americook. and on archos gmini either, I suppose
10:20:06americo¿?
10:20:39markunamerico: there was some initial work, but noone is working on it: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort
10:21:17americoI go there. thank markun
10:28:00americowhat about creative? can it support rockbox?
10:28:53markunamerico: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos
10:30:08americothanks again. I was lost reading in the forum
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10:50:45Zagortwiki is starting to look normal again
10:52:27peturjust that funky logo at the bottom ;)
10:53:28peturis it me or could the tables do with a tiny bit of padding?
10:54:52UncleBillgotta flee. thanks for the help, JdGordon, petur
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10:57:59midkayaw, i liked the new theme we had for a bit there.
10:58:29midkayi prefer the rockbox colors most certainly.. but i liked the.. dunno.. style/sidebar/layout.
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11:02:35Zagormidkay: yeah me too, but it was a beast to configure. so I fell back to this simpler style.
11:03:05midkayZagor, ah. either way works, anyways. :)
11:03:34midkayZagor, so did you upgrade to a new version or something?
11:03:54Zagoryes
11:04:13peturbetter spam handling?
11:04:37Zagora bit. at least it includes email verification for registration, so weeds out a few anyway.
11:04:55Zagorbut spam handling will always be difficult in wikis
11:05:26midkayah, that's good..
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11:08:58AMHey. I'm working on a patch that uses the menu functionality provided by menu.[ch], but now need to distinguish between long and ordinary click. How do I go about doing that?
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11:29:04JdGordonAM: a long press is button | BUTTON_REPEAT
11:32:12midkayi think he means in the menu..
11:32:26midkaywhich would be a problem since i don't believe the menu can do that as-is.
11:41:03JdGordononly because there is no key binding for it
11:41:13JdGordonno reason it couldnt be added..
11:41:29*JdGordon doesnt think why youd want long press in the menu.. but ok...
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11:55:37AMok, thanks, so I define a callback function in menu_init and then inside it check for (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_REPEAT)?
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11:59:43americomarkum: I don't know if I'm undertanding it really well Creative's Zen Vision:M
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12:12:19americomarkum: Creative (ZVM) doesn't support rockbox. Is this true?
12:16:47Bg3ramerico more likely the reverse ...
12:18:04americoBg3r: sorry, what do you mean? That Creative zvm can run rockbox?
12:18:12preglowno
12:20:24Bg3ri mean rockbox doesn't support creative Zen ...
12:23:16americoany creative?
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12:27:45markunamerico: if the rockbox site doesn't say it supports a player then you can assume we don't support it
12:28:13americoperfect. understood
12:28:27americothanks
12:28:39markunamerico: these are the only players for which you can download rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
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12:48:39JdGordonAM: no, somewhere in the menu_* function is a switch (button) or similar.. u need to add a case for YOUR_BUTTON | BUTTON_REPEAT
12:49:00JdGordonbut you may need to use YOUR_BUTTON_PRE and such painful stuff...
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12:55:09*amiconn wonders what about the _PRE stuff is painful
12:58:35JdGordonok, not really painful, just annoying..
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13:20:59AMwhy do I need to add a case for BUTTON_REPEAT in menu_show (that's the function where switch (key) is)? shouldn't I be able to achieve the same thing by installing a callback function when calling menu_init?
13:21:21AMI'd rather do this without having to modify menu.[ch] if possible
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13:25:30AMI gave the callback approach a try and it works... ...sort of. it detects long clicks, and when it does I've made it display a submenu. but when I go back from the submenu it doesn't immediately update the display (the submenu is still shown until I hit UP or DOWN, then it displays the previous menu). is there some update()-function or similar I need to call?
13:28:09ZagorAM: the menu is designed like this to make sure all menus work the same. adding special keys to menus is likely to cause user confusion.
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13:34:44amiconnAM: The callback is only for manipulating button codes and/or doing additional actions in the same menu, i.e. things not displaying anything.
13:35:00amiconnThat's why the menu code doesn't refresh the display
13:37:59AMok, so what do I use if I have a menu option called "load profile". I want it to display a list of previously saved profiles, where normal click loads the profile and long click allows you to deleter or rename the profile?
13:38:30amiconn??
13:39:05amiconnYou can already save as many configurations as you want (write .cfg file)
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13:39:23amiconnThen you can load them (browse .cfg files)
13:39:39amiconnThis is actually a file3 browser (sub-browser)
13:39:52amiconn..so if you want to delete one, just use the context menu
13:39:59amiconnNo need to reinvent the wheel...
13:43:59AMok, forget about "profile". perhaps that's the wrong thing to call it, anyway what I want is a simple load "file function". so yeah, I guess a filetree would be better. I'm guessing it's possible to filter so it only shows certain file types? I'd prefer if it were locked to a specific dir as well?
13:45:28gopphow about
13:45:31gopprockbox supporting
13:45:33goppthe xm dap
13:45:54goppcould you find a way to interface with samsung dap for xm
13:45:58goppwhich supports xm and mp3
13:46:41goppI bet you people would do a great job, at the firmware
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13:47:52gopphttp://shop.xmradio.com/detail.aspx?pid=190&cat=36
13:48:00goppit interfaces with usb
13:48:10Zagorgopp: first talk to samsung, try to get them to send us their hardware documentation. that is the hard part.
13:48:16*Bagder bets that's a PP player
13:49:02goppZagor how did you port
13:49:08goppto the ipod, and other players
13:49:28Zagorgopp: with lots of hard work
13:49:44goppoh
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13:57:37ZagorBagder: I wouldn't be so sure. After all it's Samsung that is replacing Portalplayer in the new flash ipods.
13:58:18Bagderzagor: check this list http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
13:58:44Zagorhehe, ok...
13:58:46Bagderbut sure, that's no guarantee
13:59:26merbananBagder: MrH said he had the virgin boot loader
13:59:39Bagderyeah
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14:00:48Bagderbut I never got it
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14:07:10JdGordonwhats the story with the remaining remote lcd patches that are ready to go?
14:07:50merbananBagder: It looks like it wont be long before custom creation of mi4 files are possible
14:08:00crashdmerbanan: in what sense?
14:08:53merbanangenerate images that the boot loader will load
14:09:14crashdyeah, but, why do you assume it will be possible soon?
14:09:50Bagderbecause almost everything is done now
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14:14:14crashdyou getting on with the decryption Bagder ?
14:14:22Bagderthat's already fixed
14:14:23crashdive been moving house so havent really had much chance to check it out
14:14:30Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
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14:15:35crashdoh, good work :>
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14:17:34g0nhey ho
14:18:25ryranhoho
14:18:37g0npeople , do it give nice games for h340 ?
14:18:47ryranhaha
14:18:58g0nin sociation with ROCK Box ;D
14:19:21g0ni played Doom few hours ago ^^
14:19:26g0nwas pretty nice
14:20:20g0ndo it give some more games?
14:23:51ryranyes rockbox does have more games. a lot come included in the main build.
14:23:58g0nmaybe sonic the headgehog ^^
14:24:21g0nu know maybe where i can get the games?
14:24:28ryranuhh... no. as far as I know, there's no sega emulator planned
14:24:38ryranthe games come with rockbox
14:24:41g0ni have the mainbuild, the games are very nice but i need mooore ^^
14:25:07peturg0n: get a real game device....
14:25:25PaulJamthere is a gameboy emulator (included in the bulds) that can run .gb and .gbc files, but the performance is often not so good
14:25:48g0nhmm
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14:26:15izzledizzlerhey
14:26:43izzledizzlerdoes anyone know of free collaboration software for people working on source code together?
14:27:22peturcvs, svn, ...
14:27:23spiorfizzledizzler, cvs, svn, git
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14:48:53markunBagder: another mi4 file for your collection: http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?scy=NL&slg=NLD&cat=MP3_PLAYERS_CA_NL_CONSUMER&sct=HDD_AUDIO_JUKEBOX_SU_NL_CONSUMER&grp=PORTABLE_ENTERTAINMENT_GR_NL_CONSUMER&session=20060705084811_130.89.163.126&ctn=HDD120/00&mid=Link_Software&hlt=Link_Software
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14:51:31muesli|delhihad that jukebox
14:51:33muesli|delhisuxx
14:51:37muesli|delhipoor sound
14:51:47muesli|delhipoor everythin
14:52:32markunbut another testfile for mi4code
14:53:03markunmuesli|delhi: do you think the hardware is bad or just the software?
14:53:39muesli|delhiboth sucked imho
14:53:55muesli|delhipretty poor to navigate
14:54:29muesli|delhithe unit itself hadnt have a good sound
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14:55:43Bagdermarkun: got it, thanks
14:57:07markunBagder: I firmware for the other philips DAPs look either very much like the 6320 or this one
14:57:16markuns/I/the/
14:57:22Bagderthis 120 one is very small
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14:59:16markunBagder: Yes, it's also missing the usual strings. Only it starts with PPOS.
14:59:16Bagderdecoded fine
14:59:24markunok, nice
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15:02:39markunBagder: btw, the other philips on the site is the HDD6330 I believe
15:03:02Bagderthanks, was just wondering
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15:03:44markunI just cheched the md5 and it's the same
15:03:50markunchecked
15:03:51Bagdergreat
15:03:56Bagderpage updated
15:04:33Bagderhave to go paint my house now, see ya later
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15:08:53markunok, have fun
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15:27:14spiorfthe new was very nice!
15:32:19peturspiorf: [11:02] <Zagor> midkay: yeah me too, but it was a beast to configure. so I fell back to this simpler style.
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16:56:46Inchi, I tryed to install rockbox and I had to remove it and now itunes updater won't restore my ipod it says it's being used by another program
16:56:53Incand the thing's gone to shit.
16:56:55Incany ideas?
16:59:53Incnvm I got it
16:59:54Incty
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17:31:05Mekrobi need help
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17:31:57craftkidplz help me
17:32:03craftkidi need help
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17:32:59craftkidhelp me
17:33:05craftkidplease
17:33:16|apo|Just ASK
17:33:19|apo|< afk
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17:33:29Genre9mp3craftkid: Just tell what your problem is
17:33:44craftkidi cant download any of the thinggs
17:34:04peturplease specify
17:34:07craftkidthe links wont work
17:34:17petur'the' ?
17:34:25craftkidin the manulel
17:34:50craftkidfor an ipod video
17:35:13craftkidi cant download any of the links
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17:35:54craftkidalso i am so confused on what to do
17:36:22craftkidhelp
17:36:23*petur looks for his mind reading device
17:36:26craftkidplease
17:36:37craftkidhuh
17:36:46Genre9mp3what exactly you want to download?
17:36:54|apo|pr0n
17:37:27craftkidthe boot loader, patcher,and the ipod fw
17:37:41peturuse the wiki for those
17:37:51craftkidwhat id that
17:37:55craftkidis
17:38:10peturhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort
17:38:43peturand http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
17:39:23craftkidi need someone to guide me through this whole process
17:39:30|apo|http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
17:39:34|apo|^ Guide
17:40:44craftkidyes
17:42:05craftkidthey do not have a 30g ipod video install thing on there
17:42:11|apo|Yes they do
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17:42:19|apo|For iPod Color/Photo users - bootloader-color.bin, for iPod 4G (Grayscale) users - bootloader-4g.bin, for iPod Nano users - bootloader-nano.bin, for iPod Video/5G users - bootloader-video.bin, for iPod Mini 1G users - bootloader-mini1g.bin and for iPod Mini 2G users - bootloader-mini2g.bin
17:42:23|apo|Err
17:42:36|apo|For iPod Color/Photo users - bootloader-color.bin, for iPod 4G (Grayscale) users - bootloader-4g.bin, for iPod Nano users - bootloader-nano.bin, for iPod Video/5G users - bootloader-video.bin, for iPod Mini 1G users - bootloader-mini1g.bin and for iPod Mini 2G users - bootloader-mini2g.bin
17:42:45|apo|See the bold stuff?
17:42:50|apo|That's what you need
17:43:28|apo|5G = fifth generation. It's not referring to the size of your harddisc - that's irrelevant.
17:44:27craftkidohhh
17:46:06craftkidwhat do i do now
17:46:18|apo|Read the instructions and follow them
17:46:27craftkidi am confused
17:46:59|apo|Download the files
17:47:09|apo|Put them into C:\Rockbox
17:47:22craftkidihow meny should i have
17:47:26|apo|3
17:47:36craftkidi can only find two
17:48:16craftkidwhat are the names of them
17:48:24craftkidi have the boot loader
17:48:47|apo|See the three dots in front of the lines where it says you need to download stuff?
17:49:04craftkidyes
17:49:10|apo|Those indicate the files
17:49:11|apo|...
17:49:41craftkidthey wont go in the folder
17:49:50|apo|They will
17:50:08craftkidi got them in there
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17:50:37craftkidnow what do i do
17:50:40|apo|. Start a command prompt and navigate to the C:\rockbox directory (type C: and press enter, then type "cd \rockbox" and press enter).
17:50:56craftkidhow do i do that
17:51:03|apo|start - run - cmd
17:51:09|apo|then type C: and press enter, then type "cd \rockbox" and press enter
17:51:19earHertzany devs with ipods here?
17:51:52craftkidwhat that mean
17:52:10|apo|craftkid, just one question: If you don't know how to open a command prompt - why the hell do you know about rockbox?
17:52:15|apo|Click start
17:52:16|apo|Click run
17:52:18|apo|type cmd
17:52:20|apo|type enter
17:52:27|apo| then type C: and press enter, then type "cd \rockbox" and press enter
17:52:32|apo|*sighs*
17:52:35craftkidmy brother
17:52:44|apo|Tell him to install it for you
17:52:52craftkidhe is gone
17:53:01craftkidi did that
17:53:11|apo|Man...
17:53:12craftkidnow what
17:53:19|apo|Kick your brother for me when he's back, okay?
17:53:26|apo|You're in c:\rockbox?
17:53:59craftkidyes
17:54:05|apo|You should now plug your iPod into your PC via the USB or Firewire cable
17:54:10craftkidok
17:54:20|apo|Now type in the command prompt:
17:54:25|apo|ipodpatcher 0
17:54:25|apo|ipodpatcher 1
17:54:25|apo|ipodpatcher 2
17:54:25DBUGEnqueued KICK |apo|
17:54:25|apo|ipodpatcher 3
17:54:25|apo|(etc)
17:54:50craftkiddo i put a space befor ipod
17:54:55|apo|no
17:55:27|apo|When ipodpatcher finds your ipod, remember the number you have typed
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17:55:47funkyhi
17:56:26craftkidhow do i no if it found it
17:57:25craftkidhow do i no once it found the ipod
17:59:32|apo|It won't say "Drive is not an iPod"
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18:00:21funkyis the iGameBoy playable on an ipod 5th gen?
18:00:22craftkidmine is saying more that that
18:00:36voltagexgetting my iRiver back soon
18:00:36|apo|It won't say "Drive is not an iPod" < That's the last line
18:00:40|apo|If it's not, it's an iPod
18:00:50voltagex$231 later
18:01:18craftkidmine says
18:01:39craftkidthe sys can not find the file specified
18:02:00CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
18:02:00*petur admires the way |apo| holds hands
18:02:08|apo|Is the file ipodpatcher.exe in C:\rockbox?
18:02:11|apo|petur: *sighs*
18:02:15|apo|I hate tech support
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18:02:28craftkididk
18:02:33voltagex|apo|: why?
18:02:44|apo|If I'll have to choose between being unemployed and being tech support, I'll choose being unemployed
18:03:02craftkidyes it is
18:03:02|apo|voltagex: Because I have to tell craftkid how to install rockbox on his iPod
18:03:06voltagexoh. I thought you meant *getting* tech support
18:03:10|apo|:P
18:03:27craftkidi am going to tell ur boss
18:03:32craftkidlol
18:03:56|apo|Sure, go ahead. My "boss" is the headmaster of my school and won't give a shit.
18:03:57peturcraftkid: if you get that error you're either not in that folder or you need to type it properly
18:05:01craftkidi am in C: cd\rockbox
18:05:13craftkidand i am typein
18:05:21peturyou mean c:\rockbox
18:05:28craftkidipodpatcher 0
18:05:37|apo|What does it say in front of the lowest line?
18:05:38craftkidno
18:05:53|apo|Now:
18:05:54louthe fuck is c: cd\rockbox ?
18:05:55|apo|[17:54:24] <|apo|> ipodpatcher 1
18:05:55|apo|[17:54:24] <|apo|> ipodpatcher 2
18:05:55|apo|[17:54:24] <|apo|> ipodpatcher 3
18:06:06|apo|And so on
18:06:09|apo|Until it finds the iPod
18:06:13|apo|*sighs heavily*
18:06:28|apo|Why don't you just wait with rockbox and use the original firmware for now?
18:06:34|apo|It's playing music just fine
18:06:39craftkidit says
18:06:42|apo|And I doubt that you'll like rockbox better
18:07:00loui doubt he can get it to work :S
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18:07:08craftkidC:\rockbox>
18:07:18craftkidthat is what it says
18:07:21|apo|Then type
18:07:21|apo|ipodpatcher 0
18:07:22|apo|ipodpatcher 1
18:07:22|apo|ipodpatcher 2
18:07:22|apo|ipodpatcher 3
18:07:22***Alert Mode level 1
18:07:22|apo|(etc)
18:07:26|apo|Until it finds the iPod
18:07:27|apo|...
18:08:00peturcraftkid: that was *not* the last line, that is the new prompt you get after execution
18:08:13|apo|petur: I wanted to know that prompt
18:08:21craftkidhuh
18:08:21|apo|To make sure if he's in the proper dir
18:09:07|apo|And the line above that one is where it says "Drive is not an iPod, aborting" if it's not an iPod
18:09:13voltagexcraftkid: you may need to learn a little bit of DOS before you try rockbox
18:09:51craftkidthe system cannot find the file specified
18:10:01|apo|next number
18:10:08peturor take some (beginners) computer lessons, it will save you from a lot of frustration
18:10:16loudo you have the file ipodpatcher.exe in c:\rockbox ?
18:10:27|apo|lou: Yes
18:10:28craftkidyes
18:10:31petur[18:09] <craftkid> the system cannot find the file specified <−−−−- ipodpatcher program does not exist in that folder
18:10:38louyeah
18:10:38|apo|petur: No
18:10:41louwhat petur said
18:10:43louor not?
18:10:47lounm then
18:10:50|apo|That's what ipodpatcher says when the drive doesn't exist
18:10:59*petur shuts up
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18:11:03*lou too
18:11:13*petur runs off even
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18:11:24|apo|Good idea...
18:11:35craftkidhuh
18:12:12craftkidwhat do i type in the cmd
18:12:25|apo|ipodpatcher 0
18:12:26|apo|ipodpatcher 1
18:12:26|apo|ipodpatcher 2
18:12:26***Alert Mode level 2
18:12:26|apo|ipodpatcher 3
18:12:26***Alert Mode level 3
18:12:26|apo|(etc)
18:12:31|apo|Until it finds the ipod
18:12:47voltagexyou need to make sure ipodpatcher is in c:\rockbox
18:12:58louhe has that :)
18:12:59|apo|It is there
18:13:01|apo|~_~
18:13:16craftkidi am so confused
18:13:18voltagex<craftkid> the system cannot find the file specified
18:13:24|apo|[18:10:49] <|apo|> That's what ipodpatcher says when the drive doesn't exist
18:13:38craftkidyes that is what it said
18:13:48craftkidno
18:13:57loubasically
18:13:57craftkidi did
18:14:15craftkidstart run cmd
18:14:31|apo|craftkid: You know what? You either go learn something about command prompts and stuff now and come back later, then I'll help you. Or you ask your dear bro when he comes back. This is too frustrating for me, sorry.
18:14:49voltagexcraftkid: click on the start menu, click run, type cmd
18:15:01craftkidwell there are more people than you
18:15:23craftkidok i did that
18:15:39voltagexcraftkid: I understand apo's frustration, there's too much being said and misinterpreted
18:15:55craftkidnow what do i do
18:16:06voltagexcraftkid: you have a black box now don't you?
18:16:11|apo|voltagex: Could you send that again? My query blocker's a bit stupid :/
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18:16:30craftkidyes
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18:16:46|apo|Indeed
18:16:47|apo|[calvino.freenode.net][505] |apo| :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) < ~_~
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18:16:50craftkidi have it
18:16:53voltagexcraftkid: ok in the black box you need to type cd \rockbox
18:17:08craftkidis there a space
18:17:19apo`he's already there - he now needs to do the ipodpatcher N stuff
18:17:27voltagexapo`: hang on hang on
18:17:44voltagexcraftkid: between cd and \rockbox yes there is
18:18:16craftkidok i am there
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18:18:37voltagexthe black box should say something like c:\rockbox now
18:18:53craftkidit does
18:19:15voltagexcraftkid: if you type in ipo and hit the tab key, what happens?
18:19:16craftkidnow what
18:19:22apo`voltagex: I salute you.
18:19:56voltagexapo`: please register your nickname so I can msg you
18:20:01craftkidit says ipod_fw.exe
18:20:02apo`You can
18:20:10apo`And my nick is registered :P
18:20:20apo`craftkid: Hit tab again
18:20:41craftkidnow it says ipod patcher
18:21:01apo`Now type 0 behind that and type enter
18:21:13voltagexok! it says ipodpatcher, you need to make it say ipodpatcher 0
18:21:17voltagexthen hit enter
18:21:17apo`If the second to last line says something with numbers, it's an iPod
18:21:32apo`If it doesn't, repeat the command, just with and 1 instead of 0
18:21:33craftkiddo i erase the .exe
18:21:33loui have a question though
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18:21:38apo`Then 2, 3, 4, and so on
18:21:42voltagexcraftkid: not yet!!!!
18:21:43louis your ipod connected via usb to your computer?
18:22:00craftkidwhat
18:22:10louyour ipod
18:22:11craftkidcan i connect my ipod
18:22:17louis it connected to your pc
18:22:23craftkidme
18:22:30louyou have to connect it yes
18:22:38loubecause you just tell a program to find it
18:22:49craftkidok
18:22:54louand if its not connected guess what happens
18:22:55craftkidi connected it
18:22:56lou._.
18:22:59lougreat
18:23:08lounow follows voltagex instructions
18:23:09craftkidnow what do i do
18:23:26craftkidwhat do i do
18:23:31louyou type
18:23:35louipodpatcher 0
18:23:41louthen you paste what it says
18:23:54AMDoes anyone know how to set things up so that my tagnavi.config file doesn't get overwritten everytime I run "make install" for my simulator?
18:23:55craftkidthey told me not to delet the .exe
18:24:11voltagexcraftkid: yes, because if you do that, then we stop helping you
18:24:19louhave i said anything about deleting something?
18:24:40voltagexcan everyone please stfu, and I'll try to help craftkid
18:24:47loufair enough
18:24:48craftkidmine sayes ipodpatcher.exe
18:24:50voltagexit's confusing with everyone trying to help
18:24:51apo`He's talking about the .exe part in the command prompt.
18:24:56apo`Which is irrelevant
18:24:56voltagexah
18:25:00apo`Delete it or don't
18:25:00voltagexsorry then
18:25:03apo`DOesn't matter
18:25:11voltagexnow I'm doing the mis-interpreting
18:25:16apo`Now type ipodpatcher 0
18:25:20craftkidso just type a 0 at the end
18:25:22apo`And paste what it says
18:26:04voltagexcraftkid: black box must say EITHER ipodpatcher.exe 0 or ipodpatcher 0 −− it means the same to your computer
18:26:13apo`(I can see the "how do I paste?" coming)
18:26:25craftkidhow do i past
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18:26:35lou._.
18:26:37craftkidpaste
18:26:42voltagexcraftkid: right click the black box, click mark
18:26:50***Alert Mode OFF
18:26:52FebsIt will take longer for you to paste it than to type it.
18:27:27voltagexFebs: true, craftkid please just tell us what the black box said after you hit enter for ipodpatcher 0
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18:28:27craftkid'ipodpatcher0' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
18:28:27craftkidoperable program or batch file.
18:28:40craftkidthat is what it sait
18:28:42apo`... space
18:28:44craftkidsaid
18:28:49apo`between ipodpatcher and 0
18:28:50apo`...........
18:28:54voltagexcraftkid: a space between ipodpatcher and 0
18:28:57CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
18:28:57*apo` hits his head against the wall
18:29:34craftkidipodpatcher v0.3 - (C) Dave Chapman 2006
18:29:34craftkidThis is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
18:29:34craftkidwarranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
18:29:34DBUGEnqueued KICK craftkid
18:29:34craftkid[INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive0
18:29:34craftkidDrive is not an iPod, aborting
18:29:42apo`now type 1 instead of 0
18:29:46apo`and paste
18:29:57voltagexcraftkid: ok, you need to try ipodpatcher 1
18:30:32craftkidipodpatcher v0.3 - (C) Dave Chapman 2006
18:30:32craftkidThis is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
18:30:32craftkidwarranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
18:30:32***Alert Mode level 1
18:30:32craftkid[INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive1
18:30:32***Alert Mode level 2
18:30:32craftkidPart Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type
18:30:32***Alert Mode level 3
18:30:32craftkid 0 63 160649 78.4 Empty (0x00)
18:30:34craftkid 1 160650 58605119 28537.3 W95 FAT32 (0x0b)
18:30:51louthats your ipod
18:30:52voltagexwe have lift off
18:30:58craftkidnow what
18:31:14craftkidwhat number do i need to no
18:31:19voltagexlou, apo, I don't know anything about the ipod setup, take it from here :|
18:31:20apo`ipodpatcher -r 1 bootpartition.bin
18:31:39craftkidwhere do i type that
18:31:45apo`black box
18:31:46voltagexcraftkid: in the black box
18:31:47craftkidthank you
18:32:05apo`Then type this (in the black box):
18:32:05apo`ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin
18:32:12apo`Then:
18:32:13apo`ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin
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18:32:58craftkidit is not doing any thing
18:33:03apo`It is
18:33:05louit is
18:33:08loutakes a while
18:33:13voltagexcraftkid: it is, it's thinking and talking to your iPod
18:33:19apo`xD
18:33:26louwait until the comand prompt comes back
18:33:29craftkiddo i type it next to the rockbox
18:33:45voltagexcraftkid: yes, when it comes back
18:34:28craftkidok i typed all of them
18:34:33apo`Now this:
18:34:35apo`ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
18:35:15craftkidGenerating firmware image compatible with iPod video
18:35:29craftkidis it supposed to say that
18:35:38apo`Yes
18:35:38voltagexcraftkid: yup!
18:35:46craftkidnow what
18:35:58apo`Wait until c:\rockbox> is back
18:36:08apo`Then type this:
18:36:09apo`ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin
18:36:10apo`Err
18:36:13apo`ipodpatcher -w 1 rockboot.bin
18:36:33craftkidkk
18:36:53craftkidnow waht
18:36:57apo`Have you typed ipodpatcher -w 1 rockboot.bin?
18:37:00apo`Not ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin?
18:37:12craftkidyes
18:37:15apo`Good
18:37:20apo`Disconnect the iPod
18:37:26apo`It will reboot
18:37:47apo`You should then see a light blue screen (On the iPod) with some tiny writing - this is the Rockbox bootloader.
18:38:00craftkidyes
18:38:09craftkidshould i reconnect it
18:38:15apo`What's it saying?
18:38:20spiorfi cannot find the wiki page about installing the cross compiler for ipod
18:38:22craftkidit is gone now
18:38:25apo`Rockbox Error: -1?
18:38:30spiorfcan anyone give me a link?
18:38:41linuxstb_spirof: The page is just called CrossCompiler
18:38:43apo`Okay. Now hold Menu+Select
18:38:50apo`For like 5 seconds
18:38:56apo`And don't move your hand
18:39:04craftkidkk
18:39:12apo`Then hold select + play
18:39:13craftkidit is back
18:39:17spiorflinuxstb_, thanks
18:39:29apo`Reconnect your iPod
18:39:45apo`http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060705.zip < Download this.
18:40:20craftkidkk
18:40:32apo`Now unzip all that stuff to your iPod
18:40:33***Alert Mode OFF
18:40:39apo`Everything inside that .zip
18:41:17craftkidsend to
18:41:37voltagexcraftkid: no, unzip
18:42:34craftkidit does not say unzip
18:42:54apo`Double click the .zip
18:43:01apo`A window will open.
18:43:12craftkidwhere is that
18:43:23craftkidkk
18:43:42apo`It has some files inside it - rockbox.ipod, and a directory, .rockbox
18:43:44craftkidnow what
18:43:46apo`Select everything
18:43:57craftkidthere is two
18:44:04apo`Select everything
18:44:17apo`Now go to my computer in your explorer.
18:44:24apo`There'll be your iPod drive
18:44:26apo`Open it.
18:44:45apo`Then just drag and drop the two files from the window to your iPod.
18:45:00craftkidhow do i go there when it is slected
18:45:10apo`No
18:45:16apo`Open another explorer window
18:45:22apo`And go to my computer there
18:45:32linuxstb_Can't you just right-click on the zip file and do "Extract to..." and then select the4 ipod?
18:45:53apo`linuxstb: Be quiet, he'll be confused
18:45:55apo`:P
18:46:01voltagexlinuxstb_: good point, depends which version of Windows
18:46:06linuxstb_Just trying to make it simpler...
18:46:35craftkidgo in what folder in my ipod
18:46:42apo`No folder
18:46:45apo`Just on your iPod
18:46:55craftkidkk
18:47:38apo`Then unplug it - it'll reboot again and start rockbox.
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18:47:51craftkidhold on
18:48:51craftkidok
18:49:23voltagexcraftkid: what's showing on your ipod screen now?
18:49:23apo`Now you're ready to roll. Have fun.
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18:50:03craftkidcalendar
18:50:17voltagexcraftkid, it's all set up
18:50:17craftkidnow what
18:50:25Febslinuxstb, did you see my post in the forums regarding the iPod backlight when charging issue?
18:50:52craftkidit wont let me open it
18:50:54linuxstb_Febs: No, just checking now.
18:51:02apo`craftkid: Put music on it and listen to it.
18:51:06apo`No, I won't tell you how.
18:51:15apo`http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060705.pdf < Manual
18:51:23craftkidit is saying open with
18:51:34craftkidcreate directry
18:51:50apo`http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060705.pdf < Manual
18:51:52craftkidhel[
18:51:55apo`http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060705.pdf < Manual
18:52:05craftkidkk
18:52:22linuxstb_Febs: My exact question - I don't know for sure. lostlogic did some work relating to charging on the 5g (and only the 5g), so there may be other consequences of enabling that define.
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18:52:48linuxstb_(lostlogic enabled that define for the 5g)
18:53:34voltagexcraftkid: now you say *thankyou* because we're *unpaid* volunteers
18:53:45FebsOK. I knew it seemed too easy!
18:54:02voltagex1hr 30min of tech support would cost you a lot of money in the real world
18:54:36linuxstb_Febs: It may be that easy, but I'm not allowed to think about it until after 3.0 :)
18:54:38apo`I'm so gonna set up a paypal account and demand money for tech support from now on. :P
18:55:35*voltagex *cries* I want my mp3 player back!
18:55:58apo`:/
18:56:10AMAre there any plans for #EXTM3U info display in the playlist viewer?
18:56:29voltagexcraftkid are you still there?
18:56:44craftkidyes
18:56:59voltagexcraftkid: now you say *thankyou* because we're *unpaid* volunteers
18:57:01apo`Oh, he's still there. Okay. /ignores
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18:57:18craftkidit wont work
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18:57:34craftkidno
18:57:37craftkidcuz
18:57:39craftkid1
18:57:47voltagexok. bye then, I strongly recommend some computer lessons.
18:57:50craftkidapo was mean
18:57:53voltagexok. bye then, I strongly recommend some computer lessons.
18:58:01apo`AHAHAHA
18:58:04craftkidand it still doese not work
18:58:28craftkidthank you voltages
18:58:50apo`You know what? I'll be mean from now on. FUCK YOU. I've been sitting here for 90 effing minutes and helping you. For free, and without one little thank you. Now go screw yourself.
18:59:28craftkidwell stop being mean
18:59:31voltagexcraftkid I now have you on ignore, you did not pay anything, so don't complain
18:59:51craftkidi said thank you to you
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19:00:02craftkidtell him to think befor he talks
19:00:03juxtapcraftkid, rockbox doesn't actually work, this whole thing's a hoax
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19:00:45linuxstb_amiconn: No plans that I know of for #EXTM3U support - unless there's a patch on the tracker.
19:00:56linuxstb_^(sorry amiconn, I meant AM)
19:01:01apo`juxtap: Damn
19:01:03apo`Don't tell him!
19:01:13linuxstb_(he went and quit on me...)
19:01:14voltagexjuxtap: that needs to be /topic and it needs to be /topic now
19:01:23apo`:D
19:01:33apo`I could WB it
19:01:53voltagexdo it, even though I don't know what WB is
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19:02:22apo`juxtap: Could you rejoin, please?
19:02:39juxtapapo`?
19:02:54apo`Uh... type /cycle or /hop
19:03:05juxtap...
19:03:06juxtapwhy?
19:03:12apo`You will rejoin this channel.
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19:03:19apo`I want to see if my WB's working. ^^
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19:03:46voltagexapo`: i just did cycle, what was I meant to see?
19:04:01apo`Not you... ^^;
19:04:08apo`Oh well, I have to try something anyway.
19:04:15juxtapdo it to voltagex :p
19:04:25*voltagex hides
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19:06:25apo`juxtap: I have just added a WB for you - a little message that displays whenever you join a channel I'm in.
19:06:31apo`It's not going to hurt you :P
19:07:01juxtap*blink*
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19:07:03juxtapSTOP PICKING ON ME
19:07:09apo`>_>
19:07:10juxtapgo to #test or something, lol
19:07:18apo`Um
19:07:21apo`It's already tested
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19:08:54apo`:3
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19:59:23AMAnyone know if there are plans for #EXTM3U-info display support in the rockbox playlist viewer?
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20:03:31funkyhi
20:03:38funkyfinally I bought an ipod video
20:03:50funkynow time to install ipodlinux and rockbox on it
20:03:56funkyany order to do it ?
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20:04:52linuxstb_funky: What operating system are you installing from?
20:07:22funkylinux
20:08:02linuxstb_Then it doesn't really matter. But it's probably easier to install IPL first as you need to repartition your ipod.
20:08:24linuxstb_You also need to decide which bootloader you want - ipodloader2 or the Rockbox bootloader.
20:08:46linuxstb_(but they are interchangable in both the IPL and Rockbox installation instructions).
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20:09:26funkyaha, which of them do you recomend me ?
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20:09:39funkyipodloader2 looks fine
20:09:42linuxstb_But one thing I would recommend is to backup your MBR (dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin count=1) and to backup the firmware partition - dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin
20:09:46funkyI havent seen yet the rockbox one
20:09:56linuxstb_(assuming /dev/sda is your ipod)
20:10:00funkyaha
20:10:04funkyok
20:10:39linuxstb_If you plan on regularly using more than Rockbox, I would say go with the IPL bootloader - it's got a nice menu. The Rockbox bootloader is just designed to load Rockbox as fast as possible.
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20:12:23funkyok, thanks for the tips linuxstb_
20:12:39linuxstb_After you've installed IPL according to their instructions, installing Rockbox is just a matter of downloading a rockbox.zip from the daily builds page and doing "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/ipod/"
20:13:07linuxstb_(where /mnt/ipod/ is your ipod's FAT32 partition)
20:13:24funkysweet
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20:14:04funkydo you prefer fat32 than hfs+ ?
20:14:56linuxstb_You don't have a choice - Rockbox only works with fat32.
20:15:08funkyahh, didnt know
20:15:37linuxstb_But I prefer FAT32 anyway because it will work everywhere.
20:15:47funkyaye, thats a good point
20:16:47linuxstb_Is your ipod currently HFS?
20:16:56funkyyes, it is
20:17:20linuxstb_Then you should convert it to FAT32 before starting anything.
20:17:58funkyI can do it using ipodloader2, right ?
20:18:01linuxstb_(assuming you want to use Rockbox..)
20:18:14funkyyeah, I want to use it
20:18:27funkylinuxstb_: what's your DAP ?
20:18:32linuxstb_No - ipodloader2 is just a bootloader.
20:18:35funkyan ipod too ?
20:18:44funkysorry, ipodinstallar2 I meant
20:19:07linuxstb_I've various - an old Archos Recorder which I don't use any more, an iriver H140, a 60GB ipod Color, and a 30GB ipod video.
20:19:09funkyInstaller2
20:19:24funkynice collection :))
20:19:41linuxstb_No, I think ipodinstaller2 will keep the ipod as it comes. But I've never used it, so I might be wrong.
20:20:36linuxstb_But converting is straightforward - either run the ipod updater from a WIndows machine, or manually convert it (ask me how...)
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20:21:12funkyhow? using mkfs.vfat ?
20:21:51linuxstb_Yes, but you also need to repartition to give your ipod a DOS MBR instead of an Apple Partition Map.
20:22:46funkyOK, thanks again for your help, now its time to read a bit more
20:22:55linuxstb_But you will need to grab the contents of the boot partition from your ipod first.
20:23:04funkyyeah, I'll do
20:23:17linuxstb_Easiest way to repartition is to grab a ready-made MBR for your ipod from here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX
20:23:39linuxstb_You then just write it to your ipod (dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sda). Then disconnect your ipod and reattach it.
20:24:17linuxstb_(that wiki page has some conversion instructions for Mac users which may give you a clue)
20:25:48funkyI'll read the whole installation instruciontions from ipodlinux and rockbox wikis before do anything
20:26:36funkyI dont think that apple warranty will cover this kind of operations, I dont think this can damage seriously anything though
20:27:10linuxstb_No, you can always run Apple's official restore program (from Win or Mac)
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20:35:46funkylinuxstb_: maybe a stupid question but.. is there any way to play video in an external device, using any kind of addon for the ipod?
20:38:24funkywould be great
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20:41:46funkygot to go, I'll continue reading ipl/rockbox doc later, linuxstb thx again for your help, see you
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20:44:39craftkidi need help
20:45:09craftkidi need help
20:45:27craftkidplease
20:45:32craftkidsomeone
20:46:09Bagdertry asking
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20:52:10webguest34that guy craftkid was on earlier, the type of questions he asked makes me think he's a troll
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20:54:54craftkidcan someone please help me
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20:55:45craftkidwill someone please help me?
20:55:50dionoea20:46:10 <@Bagder> try asking
20:56:00craftkidasking who
20:56:12dionoeaasking what
20:56:19craftkidi need help
20:56:43dionoeatry joining #rockbox-help
20:56:50craftkidhow
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20:57:43craftkidi need help
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20:58:38Condorhello
20:58:40 Nick Condor is now known as theprodukkt (n=Vito@hnvr-d9b8eaa3.pool.mediaWays.net)
20:58:51theprodukktin the wiki
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20:59:17theprodukktis there a possibilitie like in wikipedia to discuss the pages (discussion)
20:59:27craftkidi need help
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21:00:07theprodukktand could you maybe do a comparisation beetween the ipod, iriver and iaudio platforms to their orginal firmware and to each other?
21:00:14theprodukktthis would be very nice
21:00:22theprodukktstill dont know what i should buy
21:00:24linuxstb_You mean like the DeviceChart?
21:00:33theprodukktoh
21:00:36theprodukktill look 4 it
21:01:17craftkidcan some one help me
21:01:22PaulJamtheprodukkt: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=FeatureComparison
21:01:22theprodukktwhere can i find it?
21:01:29theprodukktthx
21:01:29linuxstb_That's really just the hardware specs though. I agree with you that a page comparing the different players to help potential Rockbox users choose a DAP would be a useful addition.
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21:01:37linuxstb_craftkid: You need to ask a question first.
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21:02:18theprodukktim missing the ipod in the generic features
21:03:06linuxstb_It doesn't have any :)
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21:08:36apo`Oh god
21:08:37apo`The retard was back
21:08:50apo`Good thing I missed him, I would've been "mean" again.
21:08:57idnarheh
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21:32:27theprodukkti want to register at the wiki
21:32:28webguest06Nothing to say, except thanks for rockbox!! It works perfectly in an iPod nano, i installed it in ten minutes.
21:32:38theprodukktmy full name is alexander stefan sikorski
21:32:48theprodukktis it ok if i choose "ass" for my name?
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21:34:04apo`alexander stefan sikorski < *googles*
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21:35:09theprodukktu should find too much stuff not concerning my,
21:35:11theprodukktbut please
21:35:13theprodukkthf
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21:37:33theprodukkthttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=FeatureComparison
21:37:40theprodukkt^^ in generic
21:37:56theprodukkttheres missing also iriver h3x0 firmware
21:39:19apo`Alexander Sikorski Kontakt: Telefon: +49 (241) 60 06-1 29 Telefax: +49 (241) 60 06-1 27 ...
21:39:20apo`Hm :P
21:39:32theprodukktthats not me
21:39:40apo`foot surgery :P
21:40:21theprodukktstupid question, but dont know the vocabulary, what does gapless playback mean?
21:40:43apo`That there's no gap between tracks
21:40:57theprodukktsilence-cutoff?
21:41:17apo`Uh.. Yeah, I guess.
21:42:25theprodukktwill there be a video function on rockbox in the future?
21:42:49linuxstb_There's been one for years...
21:43:04theprodukktbut?
21:43:18theprodukktas i see there is no mp3 player out with 25fps...
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21:44:35linuxstb_Rockbox plays video (a custom .rvf format) on the Archos devices (a small mono LCD).
21:45:09linuxstb_But that hasn't been ported to the newer (iriver/cowan/apple) players.
21:45:25linuxstb_But it's basically just uncompressed video, so it's not of any use for larger colour LCDs.
21:45:49theprodukkt^^
21:46:01theprodukktyou are chief ;)
21:46:13Febs[15:40] <theprodukkt> silence-cutoff?
21:46:21Febs^^ This is not what gapless is about.
21:46:37theprodukktnot?
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21:46:42theprodukktfading?
21:46:42FebsGapless play back plays songs the way they are mastered.
21:46:59FebsIf the song is mastered with a 2-second (or whatever) pre-gap, that's what you'll hear.
21:47:27FebsIf the album is mastered with no gaps between tracks (i.e., Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon), the tracks will playback without any gaps added.
21:48:15theprodukktwhats the difference to silence-cutoff then?
21:48:18FebsIf you want to eliminate silence between tracks that is otherwise supposed to be there, you can use the crossfade function.
21:48:30theprodukkti dont understand
21:48:36theprodukktbut its not that important
21:49:01theprodukkti think i will when i run rockbox on my (not already bought) h340
21:49:09Febs|−−−−−−−−-song 1−−−−−−-|−−−−−−-song 2−−−−-|
21:49:17Febs|−−−−−−−−-song 1−−−−−−-| |−−−−−−-song 2−−−−-|
21:49:23linuxstb_theprodukkt: If you rip a CD to WAV files, and then open those files in an audio editor, you'll normally see short periods of silence at the start and end. That's the silence that "silence-cutoff" will attempt to trim.
21:49:37theprodukkt^^ ok
21:49:42FebsGapless will play the first example with no gap, but it will keep the silence in between songs in the second example.
21:50:16theprodukktisnt that the usual playback function?
21:50:27linuxstb_What Rockbox means by gapless is that it won't add any extra silence between tracks that was not originally there. Every other MP3 player inserts silence, which is annoying when you play consecutive tracks mastered without silence at the start and end.
21:50:43theprodukktok
21:50:46linuxstb_(e.g. a live album or DSOTM)
21:50:55theprodukktdidnt realized that bug yet :)
21:51:00FebsIt *should* be the usual playback function, but aside from Rockbox, there has only ever been one MP3 player that actually did it right.
21:51:12idnar*every* other player?
21:51:22linuxstb_I agree, IMO, it's a bug to insert silence between tracks. But it's become the norm.
21:51:42linuxstb_Apart from the long-deceased Rio Karma.
21:51:50FebsThe Rio Karma is the only non-Rockbox gapless player.
21:51:56*theprodukkt doesnt know it ...
21:52:08TeaSealinuxstb_: It's not really a bug as such, it's a design flaw.
21:52:13theprodukkt^^
21:52:30theprodukkti dont think the developers wantet to player to act like that
21:52:32FebsMany players have some sort of gap delete but that is *not* the same as gapless, and often does more damage than good.
21:52:57theprodukktanother problem
21:52:58theprodukktcould somebody add the iriver h3x0 firmware to the generic part of the Firmware Feature Comparison Chart chart?
21:53:25theprodukktmaybe also boottime
21:53:28theprodukktand the iriver
21:53:33theprodukktsry i mean ipod
21:54:13theprodukktand i think the ipod and the iriver part could be merged...
21:54:22linuxstb_TeaSea: A lot of bugs are design flaws...
21:54:40theprodukkt(hope it doesnt piss u off if i talk like that)
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21:55:17linuxstb_theprodukkt: Feel free to change that page. But Rockbox now works on a lot of players, so including every original firmware would make it a huge table.
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21:55:47theprodukktdoesnt matter
21:55:50linuxstb_(and also, not many people use the original firmwares in order to be able to accurately describe those features).
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21:56:08theprodukktu cant work with javascript code in the wiki, can u?
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21:57:05theprodukktas i understood the orginal firmware is nessesary (written like that<-?) for the filetransfer
21:57:19apo`necessary
21:57:20apo`Yup
21:57:41linuxstb_I don't know. But if you came up with a nice html/javascript feature comparison page, I'm sure it would be hosted on rockbox.org.
21:57:58linuxstb_(if the wiki couldn't handle it)
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22:48:18earHertzlinuxstb here?
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22:59:28linuxstb_earHertz: Yes.
22:59:51earHertzlinuxstb: YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT LINUX?
22:59:56earHertzer, sorrry
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23:01:13linuxstb_What particular part of Linux?
23:01:34earHertzkernel, cstblib
23:01:58linuxstb_Not really, no.
23:02:03earHertzoh
23:02:28earHertzmmecpy and the like are written in asm in order to be fast, yes?
23:02:58linuxstb_That's the idea...
23:03:56linuxstb_I did a quick google for "arm7tdmi" and "memcpy", and that gave a few interesting links. Apparently uclibc has an arm7tdmi optimised memcpy (but I didn't look for it).
23:04:11amiconngah!
23:04:42amiconnThe new twiki broke the green tick graphics and replaced it with the text 'DONE'
23:04:58amiconnPages like http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI are looking really strange now
23:06:50earHertzlinuxstb: I think I have an implementation of memcoy that;s faste rthan what's in teh kernel sources
23:06:55amiconnIt seems a certain gif file is missing somewhere in the twiki config: choice-yes.gif
23:07:06***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:07:07earHertzthat disturbs me
23:07:38amiconnMno, it's there...
23:08:02*amiconn is puzzled
23:09:14midkayworks for me..
23:09:29amiconnHmpf, and the 'View raw' link is also gone - very bad for locked topics :(
23:09:45midkayagreed.
23:10:05midkayand i'd imagine for older revisions.
23:10:37midkayi actually wanted to use such a feature now, i changed something in PluginIndex for the "new theme" we got for a little while and to change it back i need to view raw of the last revision, but there's no such button...
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23:13:20amiconnAha, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiPreferences should contain "Set Y = %ICON{choice-yes}%" instead of "Set Y = DONE" as it is now
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23:14:04*amiconn summons Zagor
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23:15:05*petur notes Zagor not here
23:15:14theprodukktim back :)
23:15:22linuxstb_earHertz: The Linux version of memcpy is possibly optimised for more powerful ARM processors. Whereas you've optimised yours for the arm7tdmi. Have you tried searching for memcpy implementations for the arm7tdmi specifically?
23:15:58lowlightanyone here understand viewer.c?
23:16:31earHertzlinuxstb: no
23:16:52theprodukktplease tell me which is the best: ipod / iauido / iriver h340...
23:17:01theprodukkti have to buy one of them fast
23:17:04theprodukktbut cant decide
23:17:14earHertzlinuxstb: but the nature of it is, my version would be faster in any ARM I suspect.
23:18:01amiconnlinuxstb, earHertz: (1) The speed relation could also depend on the memory interface width
23:18:32amiconn(2) My impression is that linux developers usually don't optimise much
23:18:47earHertzamiconn: expand on 1? you mean the bandwidth?
23:19:03amiconn16 vs. 32bit
23:19:28earHertzamiconn: then why trouble to write it in asm? teh non-aligned copy is heavikly (and well optimized) in teh kernel
23:20:30amiconnI don't know, it's just an impression
23:21:25Paul_The_Nerdtheprodukkt: For Rockbox use right now, H340. But then, you also didn't specify which category of iPod.
23:21:28*amiconn suspects that the coldfire linux memcpy is also slower than rockbox's version
23:21:57theprodukktthe ipod video
23:21:59amiconnBut then, rockbox's coldfire memcpy is a code monster compared to a plain C implementation
23:22:08theprodukktV. generation
23:22:22Bagderwell linux on m68k is not very widely used
23:22:29Bagderon arm it is
23:22:43Paul_The_Nerdtheprodukkt: Well, the H340 is better supported by Rockbox at the moment.
23:22:45linuxstb_theprodukkt: Just go with your instinct - they are all good DAPs.
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23:23:29theprodukkti want them to be good also with their orginal firmware
23:23:35*theprodukkt is perfectionist
23:23:47theprodukktthey all cost a lot
23:24:09theprodukktand i want to have the best for that money
23:24:18amiconnIf the original firmware were perfect, there wouldn't be a rockbox port...
23:24:35theprodukktright
23:25:05theprodukkti'd prefer the h340
23:25:10theprodukktbut it is soo big
23:25:23theprodukktand the tastatur layout isnt the best
23:25:34theprodukktnavigation isnt easy to i heard
23:25:40linuxstb_The h340 is a good choice for Rockbox because every part of the hardware (I think) has publically available documentation.
23:25:49lowlightanyone understand the viewer.c plugin?
23:25:50amiconnBut then, all rockbox supported daps have their pros and cons. None of them is perfect, it depends on what features you're most interested in
23:26:08*petur hugs his h340
23:26:13goffai'h i like the h1xx series myself...
23:26:17goffabut then i don't need video
23:26:17theprodukktat the cowon i dont like the small joystick and the display
23:26:23apo`theprodukkt: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but afaik tastatur is no English word :P You mean keyboard
23:26:33theprodukkt^^ sry yes
23:26:39theprodukkti mean keys ;)
23:26:49apo`^^
23:27:10apo`Are you from Germany?
23:27:12theprodukktat the ipod i love the wheel... and the amazing display
23:27:18apo`Me too
23:27:19*theprodukkt is from germany
23:27:25goffai like my x5 too.. but i don't like the battery life (yet)
23:27:32theprodukktbut i dont like the apple-marketing
23:27:33apo`Well, the wheel. The display on a 4g ain't all that great :P
23:27:36apo`< German, too
23:28:08goffayeah... apple just isn't right
23:28:17apo`^^;
23:28:33theprodukktare there big differences between the ipod and the iriver port of rockbox?
23:28:36linuxstb_But put Rockbox on an ipod, and it's no longer Apple's.
23:28:39apo`My next mp3 player is gonna be an iPod, anyway. I just need the wheel.
23:29:26BagderearHertz: arm7tdmi is not ARM arch 5 iirc
23:29:41Bagderso you can just skip the PLD() things
23:29:44theprodukktdo someone know if the host-usb function of the h340 is able to play files directly (without having to copy them) from an external (300gb xD) usb hd?
23:29:49Bagderfrom the linux asm version of memcpy
23:29:59*ender` yawns
23:30:01earHertzBagder: yeah, I asked about that in ipodlinux and got the same answer
23:30:04apo`omg
23:30:05apo`ender
23:30:06apo`:O
23:30:12ender`:)
23:30:13apo`Hiya
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23:30:29earHertzBagder: I actually am thinking my memcpy is faster than the kernels. Help me to prove myself wrong
23:31:16PaulJamtheprodukkt: you need to copy the files first (with the original firmware)
23:31:21Bagderwell, include the kernel version, cut out the #include lines, remove the PLD() lines and it should more or less work, doesn't it?
23:31:22*amiconn spots an active Bagder and kindly asks for repairing the broken %Y% in twiki
23:31:23earHertzevenif I linked it wrong (eg, not aligned) I'd just add a constant factor to irts cost, right?
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23:31:53earHertzBagder: yeah, I did (the PLD lines are #defined out anyway, no problwems)
23:32:09linuxstb_earHertz: I agree with amiconn - Linux isn't always perfectly optimised. So don't be surprised that you've beaten it.
23:32:42Bagderamiconn: no time for that now, sorry
23:33:03amiconnIt's just a wiki edit I'm not allowed to perform...
23:33:14earHertzlinuxstb_: hmm
23:33:21*petur thinks we need more wiki admins
23:33:44earHertzwouldn't you want tio have memcpy aggressively optiized? OI mean, it gets used a lot, right (except inC++)
23:33:46theprodukktone more stupid question: does the ipod have usb?
23:34:27peturthrough a special cable :p
23:34:31linuxstb_earHertz: It's only the kernel version. Linux applications will use the C library or their own implementations.
23:34:55linuxstb_(that's why I suggested uclibc)
23:34:55theprodukkt^^ thats what i dont like at ipod :(
23:35:23earHertzwait, they're NOTthe same?
23:35:30earHertzwhy the hell not?
23:35:54petuririver has no special accessories, but then again it already contains everything, you just need the correct (standard) cable
23:36:03theprodukktwill there be a scratch feature using the ipod wheel ;)
23:36:04theprodukkt?
23:36:04linuxstb_Because userland apps don't call a kernel function for memcpy...
23:36:41peturtheprodukkt: write one ;)
23:37:37theprodukkthow is the handling of the h340? is the keylayout o.k.? (Looks strange to me), is it easy to find the right Song / to navigate through huge amounts of Tracks?
23:37:58earHertzarrrgh
23:38:41peturtheprodukkt: I just keep up/down pressed until I'm there. Tip: organize your files better ;)
23:39:34FebsiPod is better than H340 for moving quickly through a long list. H340 is better than iPod at selecting the exact file you want once you get close to it.
23:40:01midkayi'd hardly say the H340 is better at that, since it's not hard on ipod..
23:40:17midkayslightly easier, but hardly noticeable..
23:40:20peturh3x0 has MORE buttons and no multi-key combo's
23:40:56*petur must admit he has never even touched an ipod
23:41:12apo`I've touched both
23:41:15Febsmidkay: iPod has no tactile feedback, so it's tough to make one-step adjustments without looking at the screen.
23:41:15apo`Prefer the iPod
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23:41:40thprdkk|wc3tftstill dont know which i should BUY
23:41:47PaulJamFebs: but the ipod can click.
23:41:51thprdkk|wc3tftplease give me an uniform answer ;)
23:41:58peturthere isn't one
23:42:07thprdkk|wc3tftill come back later and want the name of the BEST player ;)
23:42:15peturh340
23:42:20thprdkk|wc3tftbut as it looks now the cowon isnt an alternative
23:42:21amiconnThere is no clear 'best'
23:42:28midkayFebs, oh, for sure, you can't do a thing as far as browsing without seeing the screen.
23:42:37midkaybut when you see the screen there's no problem..
23:42:38amiconn...but if I had to decide between h340 and ipod, I'd choose the h340
23:42:47apo`ipod!
23:42:50apo`:|
23:43:06XavierGrway to go amiconn
23:43:09XavierGrnice choice
23:43:24thprdkk|wc3tfti already heard the h3x0 uses rockbox better
23:43:25XavierGr(though I know that you still prefer your Archos than an H100/H300)
23:43:29midkayeveryone's got an opinion.. just look at the features and see which is best for you. they all run rockbox very similarly.
23:43:34FebsI, on the other hand, sold my H340 and bought an iPod video. However, I probably would not have done that if I didn't also have an H120.
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23:43:49peturthprdkk|wc3tft: the point is, once you have the player, you'll get used to the handling and be happy with it
23:44:24PaulJamif my h320 wouldn't have survived my soldering (replacing the dac) i propably would have bought an h340
23:44:36linuxstb_midkay: That's not quite true - Rockbox on the irivers is a lot more advanced than the ipods. And that probably won't change too much considering the lack of hardware docs for the ipods.
23:44:38thprdkk|wc3tftin which parts the rockbox support of the ipod isnt that good than that of the h3x0
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23:45:02fiftyfour123will rockbox 3.0 have an HFS+ file system for the ipod?
23:45:04midkaylinuxstb, what do you mean, advanced?
23:45:08FebsiPod hardware does not support recording or FM radio without purchasing additional (expensive) accessories.
23:45:08Bagderfiftyfour123: no
23:45:13fiftyfour123why not?
23:45:23Bagderbecause 3.0 is not for the ipod
23:45:29Febsfiftyfour123: do you think that the answer has changed since you asked that question earlier on the forums?
23:45:30fiftyfour123oh
23:45:31Bagderand because no one is insane enough to write code for it
23:45:39fiftyfour123Febs: you never kno
23:45:45Bagder(HFS that is)
23:46:01thprdkk|wc3tftbut the h3x0 is huge and heavy, isnt it?
23:46:07fiftyfour123i have been trying to launch rockbox off a FAT32 partition on my ipod with the ipl loader but its not working
23:46:33midkaylinuxstb_ (wrong nick last time) - what do you mean, it's more advanced?
23:46:34earHertzlinuxstb_: thanks, I',m looking at the uclibc niow
23:46:38thprdkk|wc3tftis it possible to use rockbox, ipodlinux and the ipodfirewall on 1 player ?
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23:46:47linuxstb_midkay: There is still a lot of work to do on the ipod ports, and a lot of it (e.g. USB support, accessories) will require a lot of reverse engineering work because there is no documentation.
23:46:52scorchethprdkk|wc3tft: that would be the archos jukeboxes =P
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23:47:04thprdkk|wc3tftthe ipod has better video support!
23:47:04Febsthprdkk|wc3tft: I wouldn't call the H340 heavy. Huge is relative. It's smaller than an Archos Recorder, but bigger than an iPod video.
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23:47:14fiftyfour123whats ipodfirewall?
23:47:36linuxstb_midkay: Also, irivers are about to get their first official release. The first official Rockbox for the ipods is still at long way way.
23:47:50FebsMy H340 was approximately twice as deep as my 60 GB ipod. Otherwise, the dimensions were about the same.
23:47:54linuxstb_^a long way away
23:47:56fiftyfour123whats ipodfirewall?
23:48:11amiconnHuh? I now get 403 when trying to access the wiki??
23:48:14amiconnBagder???
23:48:23FebsThe ipod does fit much better in my pocket than the H340.
23:48:46fiftyfour123whats ipodfirewall?
23:49:12amiconnFebs: I hope your display stays readable this way...
23:49:14*thprdkk|wc3tft usually doesnt drink alcohol, but i can see things twice :)
23:49:30fiftyfour123thprdkk|wc3tft: whats ipodfirewall?
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23:49:48Bagdersorry stopping web server now
23:49:48thprdkk|wc3tftoh ****
23:50:00thprdkk|wc3tfti was thinking bout firmware
23:50:16amiconnHmpf....
23:50:17fiftyfour123oh, lol
23:50:23Bagdermajor problemo
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23:50:38*thprdkk|wc3tft slaps thprdkk|wc3tft around with nuclear waste
23:50:49amiconnNow www.rockbox.org just produces connection resets...
23:50:57Bagder"sorry stopping web server now"
23:51:17Bagderand I'm afraid it is not coming back for a little while
23:51:22thprdkk|wc3tftlol
23:51:26thprdkk|wc3tftwhat r u doin ;)?
23:51:41Bagderls -la twiki/
23:51:41Bagdertotal 16
23:51:41Bagderdrwxr−−r−− 3 www-data www-data 4096 Jul 5 23:48 .
23:51:41DBUGEnqueued KICK Bagder
23:51:41Bagderdrwxrwsr-x 53 bjst rockbox 8192 Jul 5 14:29 ..
23:51:41Bagder-rw-r−−r−− 1 www-data www-data 0 Jul 5 23:39 .If_you_will_not_allow_me_to_make_that_that_I_want_-_I_to_you_shall_erase_all_site
23:51:43Bagder-rw-r−−r−− 1 www-data www-data 0 Jul 5 23:41 .You_are_guilty!
23:52:06Bagderyou laugh, I do not
23:52:25thprdkk|wc3tft'scuse me
23:52:33apo`Ouch
23:52:37CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
23:52:37*thprdkk|wc3tft doesnt understand the log postet above
23:52:50apo`Some guy obviously broke into the site
23:53:00apo`Some guy who doesn't speak English*
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23:53:24thprdkk|wc3tftdont look at me xD
23:53:37earHertzthe uclibc memcpy is buizarre
23:53:49 Part earHertz
23:53:56thprdkk|wc3tftmikearthur: i hear memcpy all the time
23:54:01thprdkk|wc3tftwhat are you working at?
23:54:21*amiconn wonders how that's possible
23:54:23XavierGrBagder?
23:54:40XavierGrwow
23:54:48petura hole in the new wiki?
23:54:56Bagderthere's a hole somewhere at least
23:55:06Bagderand its in the web somewhere
23:55:24thprdkk|wc3tftand theres no backup ?
23:55:25XavierGrdo you have a backup just in case?
23:55:44Bagderatm, I don't care
23:55:55*thprdkk|wc3tft cares
23:55:57Bagdera backup has the same problems
23:56:05thprdkk|wc3tftwhat problems?
23:56:10scorcheholes
23:56:10peturthe hole
23:56:13amiconn?
23:56:21apo`security hole in the wiki
23:56:24amiconnA backup is just data... why should it have a hole?
23:56:33Bagder?
23:56:39BagderI backup more than just data
23:56:43thprdkk|wc3tftwhy dont u use the wikimedia wiki?
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23:57:16thprdkk|wc3tftmore than data?
23:57:29thprdkk|wc3tftis there anything else on your server than data?
23:57:37thprdkk|wc3tftdo u backup the cpu / ram?
23:57:44thprdkk|wc3tftexcuse me, this is not funny
23:57:50thprdkk|wc3tftforgot about that
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