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#rockbox log for 2006-07-10

00:00:05Bagderyes?
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00:03:30lamedwell, sir, can I proceed to the interlocution procedure of the appointed tracker?
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00:04:14lamedbagder, it's a pain trying getting patches in the source!
00:04:34lamedwhat do I have to do to get some cvs access? who should I sleep with?
00:04:52^icewind^erm...
00:05:21^icewind^is the command for extracting the firmware from the ipod and extracting the apple firmware form the output file the same?
00:05:45Bagderlamed: to get CVS access you ask nicely or get asked, and you have a proven track-record of nice work
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00:08:24lamedyes, yeah, I know that sir... it just that I _am_ having a higher and higher amount of good patches laying around the tracker, but don't take me seriously, it was a joke. I was asking whether you think it appropriate. just thinking about getting the screen scroll patch in gives me a headache... my custom virtual keyboard patch will be up s00n...
00:08:56Bagderwell, we all do our best
00:09:13Bagderwe don't make things hard on purpose
00:10:09lamedIt's hard being cynic when you have to use babylon for translating 'cynic'... sorry for that.
00:11:00XavierGrhaha, what? we can ask for CVS access? LOL
00:11:14Bagdereveryone always could
00:11:56sharpei'm just not going to ask. :D
00:12:19XavierGrI thought it was a gift granted by the gods. :P
00:12:21linuxstb^icewind^: No - ipodpatcher.exe reads/writes the firmware partition from/to your ipod. ipod_fw.exe manipulates the firmware files stored on your computer's hard drive.
00:12:40S0apyou mean commit access, don't you? Is there not anon download access?
00:12:44lamed:) question: how do I reload samba on vmware? sometimes It's not showing properly after reloading to previous state.
00:12:45^icewind^erm... oookay... :)
00:12:52^icewind^i'm using this http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod4gray-20060709.pdf
00:12:59sharpeS0ap: there is anonymous download access...
00:13:01XavierGrlamed: I have the same problem
00:13:04^icewind^and i'm at step 3/4
00:13:30lamedxaviergr: sure you do. you're using winxp like me.
00:13:35linuxstblamed: Probably something like /etc/init.d/samba restart
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00:14:14XavierGrlinuxstb: I think I've tried that to no avail
00:14:32linuxstbThen it's probably the Windows part messing up.
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00:15:19lamedxaviergr: I'm getting 'command not found', if you're getting the same output, it's just some other command to invoke it.
00:15:52XavierGrI thin the command is smb restart?
00:15:56XavierGrbut I am not sure'
00:16:05XavierGrI tried to solve it months ago
00:16:09XavierGrrestarting samba
00:16:11^icewind^hell... this is too complicated for me at this time... isn't there a windows installer available for installing rockbox on an ipod (4g, greyscale)
00:16:15XavierGrbut that didn't help
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00:17:18lamedi've read man samba but to no avail
00:17:45linuxstb^icewind^: There are a few unofficial installers floating about (try searching the forums), but I've no idea how well they work. There is no official "point and click" ipod installer at the moment.
00:18:03XavierGrlamed: maybe windows has something to do with it
00:18:05amiconn|waTest via wap
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00:18:18sharpei've started on one a few times, but i just get distracted too quickly. :-D
00:18:24XavierGrif I restart the whole virtual machine the problem is solved
00:18:26^icewind^okay, so i have to do that with my own hands, no problem, but i don't know the right commands
00:19:32^icewind^the tutorial gives me the command "ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin" for extracting the firmware partition from the ipod AND for extracting the firmware from the output file
00:20:10^icewind^and now i'm want to perform step 4
00:20:29linuxstb^icewind^: Yes, that's a typo in the (still draft) manual. Just a moment...
00:20:38^icewind^k :)
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00:21:18linuxstbTry here: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:5CG0O18iEMMJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation+ipod+installation+rockbox&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox
00:21:32linuxstb(that's google's cache of the installation instructions on the wiki)
00:21:39sharpehooray google
00:21:45^icewind^yeah
00:22:23^icewind^i allways using the google cache, if someone asks me, hof to find a site, that isn't longer available... and if i need it by myself, im to stupid :)
00:22:24^icewind^thanks
00:25:05^icewind^yeah, it works...
00:25:17^icewind^it tried to boot
00:25:23^icewind^"rockbox eror -1"
00:25:33sharpethat's good.
00:25:37^icewind^is this, because of i forgot to copy the rockbox-files to the ipod?
00:25:41sharpeyes,
00:25:46^icewind^;)
00:25:49^icewind^k... my fault
00:28:49^icewind^hrm, how to reboot this piece of hardware..?
00:29:42sharpehold menu and select...
00:30:50^icewind^okay
00:31:03^icewind^i ounly fund menu+play
00:31:05^icewind^works
00:31:10^icewind^rockbox runs :)
00:31:41^icewind^awesome..
00:32:48^icewind^thanks to all for your support, now i play a bit with my "new" player :)
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00:47:42lamed(gdb) i can't place a working watchpoint. say i want to stop when (int)i changes. i go awatch i , when I'm in the right context, but it just skips I and don't stop. ?
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03:11:24*lamed is proud to announce: my latest work, over: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5641
03:12:11lamedhave a look, have a banana, both are sWeeT
03:13:15midkaybut one is not nearly as sweet as the other.
03:13:27midkayin fact even something that's the most sour in the world has a bit of sweet in some way.
03:13:34midkayso your patch is probably the worst thing on the face of the earth.
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03:24:42lamedheheheh.... well, maybe it's not that funny, it's 4 am here :)
03:24:53midkay:(
03:24:59lamedspoon sounds funny
03:25:24*lamed spoon
03:25:53midkayhaha.
03:26:02midkayquasi-amusing.
03:26:10Paul_The_NerdSpoon?
03:26:19midkaythe word.
03:26:20midkayspoon. yes.
03:26:37lamedlol
03:27:04lamedpaul, are you _ever_ away?!
03:27:13Paul_The_NerdDude, I've been gone for a day and a half.
03:27:35zemidkay: sweet and sour are seperate tastes, something could be a lot of both
03:27:45lamedah. that's explains it!
03:27:46zemidkay: but thre's plenty of things with 0 sweetness
03:27:54Paul_The_NerdI was all vacationy and without computers and stuff. Sorta. I checked on the forums at night.
03:27:56midkayze, well, there must be the tiniest bit of sweet in something extremely sour.
03:28:08zemidkay: why?
03:28:17midkayze: why not?
03:28:26zebecause it doesn't activate the sweet receptors?
03:28:27zeheh
03:28:33midkayit does slightly!!
03:28:41midkaymaybe hardly noticeably, but it does!
03:28:53zewhy would it? if it doesn't fit
03:29:00midkayin any case the point was that the patch may be sweet but it could be very very slightly sweet and mostly sour.
03:29:00zeit fits the sour receptors
03:29:02lamedpaul_the_nerd: haha, funny, i did the same when I went to a vacation in turkey!
03:29:44*lamed claims da pAtch iz all gooD. yeaH.
03:30:21midkayno. no.
03:30:40lamedanyways, i was just trying to get all of your attention to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5641.
03:30:44lamedso now you know it. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5641
03:30:54zemidkay: write a fake response to the atapi MODE SENSE (10) command querying the cd/dvd capabilities and mechanical status page
03:31:06midkay.. yeah.
03:31:28zeor don't
03:31:30zebut hey
03:31:39zemidkay: i have 3 values under 75
03:31:48zemidkay: and i need to pack them into an int
03:31:48lamedthat was the most technically un-coherent sentence I've ever read in my life! (ze)
03:32:02zelike byte 0 is 0, byte 1 is one value, byte 2 is another value, and byte 3 is the last
03:32:21midkayze: where are you going with this?
03:32:21zehow do i pack single-byte values into an int?
03:32:31midkayyou're asking ME?!
03:33:07zeint smsf;
03:33:07zechar gar[4];
03:33:07zegar[0]=0;
03:33:07DBUGEnqueued KICK ze
03:33:07zegar[1]=packet[3];
03:33:07zegar[2]=packet[4];
03:33:09zegar[3]=packet[5];
03:33:12zememcpy(&smsf,gar,4);
03:33:15zethats what i've got, but i dunno if it works right.. hard to tell
03:33:29midkay..
03:33:32midkayso, try it.
03:33:51zeheh
03:34:02midkaywhat's stopping you?
03:34:07zei suppose i can put it into a dummy prog to test it... blah
03:34:11HCljust use a union structure
03:34:25midkayyes, you can.
03:34:28HClunion { int i; unsigned char b[4]; } b;
03:34:35HClb.i=0xfffffff;
03:34:38HClthen read out b.b
03:35:19Paul_The_NerdWoo unions!
03:35:35HClit works the same way the other way around
03:35:43HClb.b[0] up till b.b[3]
03:35:45HClthen read out b.i
03:36:22Paul_The_NerdAnd to think my computer science teacher said unions were useless in modern computers. ;)
03:36:32HClnonsense.
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03:38:30HClnormally you don't use them much, but in situations where you need data in several different forms, they're ideal
03:38:55zeinteresting...
03:38:56Paul_The_NerdYeah, I think he's locked into the "use them to conserve memory" thought process.
03:39:07zeso in this case, the memory of the int and the char array are the same?
03:39:28HClyup
03:39:38HClto both of you :p
03:39:41Paul_The_NerdHehehe
03:39:42zeheh
03:39:43zeneat
03:43:32zeHCl: thanks
03:43:34zethat was easy
03:43:34zeheh
03:43:38HClnp :p
03:48:15HClnight
03:48:26zenight
03:49:44lamedgnight, cya all
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03:50:43earHertzHCl: um, that union business is undefined according to the C standard; it's definitely NOT portable
03:52:15HClmeh, just use int i; unsigned char *b=(char *)&i; then
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03:52:18*HCl sleeps
03:52:25zeheh
03:53:01earHertzamong otherthings, it depends on the endian-ness of the platform
03:53:10HClyes
03:53:28*earHertz has been dealing with endian issues
03:53:40HClbut ze was setting it byte by byte anyways, I figured he'd know about endianness.
03:53:43HClanyways
03:53:44HClafk
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04:06:26wehnJust dicovered accidently that the Pitch screen does not show on iriver remotes, and can't be exited from the remote. :(
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04:50:09psycho_maniachello i have found a bug in rockbox on the h120. (i just updatd to cvs build). play a song and while its playing click and hold the joystick. then go to pitch. then press towards the left or right. it goes to 90% pitch or 110% pitch but then goes back to 100% right away
04:50:29midkaythat's not a bug. it's intentional.
04:50:53midkayup and down is for adjustment, left and right is for the few people who really want that quick adjust..
04:51:10psycho_maniacbut it dosnt change when you go from left to right
04:52:19sharpemidkay!
04:52:32*midkay sighs heavily in an exaggerated way
04:52:35midkaysharpe!!!!!
04:52:41midkaypsycho_maniac, yes, that is *intentional*
04:52:42sharpehah. i'm home.
04:53:35midkayhah.
04:53:40midkaywb.
04:53:48sharpefive days of being away.
04:54:04psycho_maniacok why is it intentional to not change when going from left or right? shouldnt it change ? on mine it goes to 98% down then when i let go it goes back to 100%. shouldnt it stay at 98%?
04:54:26sharpepsycho_maniac: i believe it is.
04:54:59midkaypsycho_maniac, third time: no, it should not.
04:55:07midkayit is entirely intentional and working the way it's intended to.
04:55:11midkayuse up and down to change pitch.
04:55:20psycho_maniacthen what is left and right for?
04:55:24midkayleft and right is a temporary +/- 2% adjustment.
04:55:46midkayif it's not of use to you, just ignore it.. people who "beatmatch" use it.
04:56:06psycho_maniacbut the % does not change when going from left to rght
04:56:32midkayand? your point?
04:56:51psycho_maniacok nevermind
04:57:13midkayright.
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05:24:46scorchesharpe: if only it was longer =P
05:25:27sharpescorche: thanks, i love you too.
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05:29:22zz5where can i get fwpatcher for iriver?
05:29:38*Paul_The_Nerd points at the channel topic.
05:29:42scorchezz5: see the yopic
05:29:51scorchePaul_The_Nerd: it was nice when you were gone >_>
05:29:54scorche=P
05:30:27Paul_The_NerdHahaha
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05:31:45scorche>_>
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05:51:06sharpei don't see how a person's eyes could ever be in that position.
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05:57:12Paul_The_NerdSomeone told me I need to work on my social skills if we ever need to take this site any further!
05:57:22*Paul_The_Nerd does the "I am too aggressively defensive of Rockbox" dance.
05:58:09Paul_The_NerdSeriously, as soon as he talked about Recording and FM Radio being absent from Rockbox, how was I supposed to know that he was only comparing his existing player to the 5G on Rockbox?
05:58:21*Paul_The_Nerd has never heard of a software-only implementation of Radio without at least some minimal receiving hardware.
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06:00:19midkayhaha.
06:00:29Mikachuyou can use a crt screen as an am transmitter with only software, but i don't think you can make an fm receiver of an mp3 player
06:00:31sharpePaul, you better follow their advice, lest ye offend the consumers!
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06:03:56Paul_The_NerdIt's a good thing we don't have a physical location. If I had to deal with human customers, I'd have a hard time not chasing a few of them off with a wiffle bat. But fortunately, this fellow's pretty decent in the end. :)
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06:05:15Paul_The_NerdI mean, I can do "overly bland statements that keep everyone happy" when I'm being paid, but if I'm not, I'm probably gonna stick to the "be helpful, but speak my mind whenever it suits me" philosophy I'm following at the moment.
06:15:05sharpeif we did have a physical store/whatever, i wonder what i would do...
06:15:38scorchebe the store mascot?
06:16:17Paul_The_NerdI'd be the really grumpy guy at the support desk, clearly
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06:17:09scorcheor the all-knowledgeable janitor
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06:18:56Paul_The_NerdOoh, like the genius garbage collector from Dilbert
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06:19:25scorcheyup
06:23:04Paul_The_NerdI've told my father about Rockbox (I got him to read The Cathedral and the Bazaar) and now he keeps thinking I should figure out some way to make money here.
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06:24:42sharpeopen the business-front in a convenient location
06:25:28scorchein otherwords, right next to me
06:25:49Paul_The_NerdWhat would a business front do?
06:26:07scorcheuh...
06:26:10scorcheinstallations?
06:26:17scorcheselling of devices pre-loaded?
06:26:19Paul_The_NerdI guess, installation on players for people, and support, as well as configuration and setup for blind users.
06:26:20*scorche shrugs
06:27:13Paul_The_NerdIndeed
06:29:09sharpeand convenient by, the (relatively) same distance to everyone.
06:29:20scorcheew.
06:29:46midkaysharpe, that comma makes no sense there..
06:29:52sharpemeh.
06:29:54midkayin fact, convenient "by"?
06:30:18sharpeoh well.
06:32:05*Paul_The_Nerd would like to open a retail location right next door to his local Apple store.
06:32:21sharpethat'd be interesting to see.
06:32:22scorcheooo...that would be a really good location here
06:32:38scorchein the most popular mall in the state >_>
06:33:25Paul_The_NerdPut a sign in the window that says "Our iPods support FLAC" and "Our iPods have GAPLESS playback" and so on.
06:33:35sharpeheh...
06:33:43scorcheand no one would knwo what that means...
06:33:51Paul_The_NerdI'm in Austin.
06:34:05Paul_The_NerdThere are plenty who'd know, though I don't think they'd be shopping near the Apple store.
06:34:09scorchei AM Austin...
06:34:20Paul_The_NerdEwww
06:34:21sharpewould never work for my locale.
06:34:56sharpethat means... paul is in scorche...
06:35:56scorchelets forget about that..
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06:36:06sharpewe can't. it's in the logs.
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06:39:58Paul_The_NerdHence the ewww.
06:40:47sharpeyepl
06:40:52sharpewithout the l.
06:41:02Paul_The_NerdHeh
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07:16:19apo`Hm, can I sa[vf]ely delete the battery.dummy file?
07:16:31sharpeapo`: of course.
07:17:02apo`good, thank you :)
07:17:06sharpeanytime.
07:20:13apo`Yay. That makes for a total of yummy 69.9 free megabytes on my iPod.
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07:24:44midkayThough it is often compressed into a single word by analogy with “anywhere” and similar words, “any time” is traditionally a two-word phrase. ...
07:25:00Paul_The_NerdI've never typed "anytime" until now.
07:25:15*midkay either, until he googled
07:25:23midkayjust had to point that out to SHARPE!!!
07:25:39sharpethank you.
07:25:47sharpei can now sleep at night.
07:25:48midkaypas de probleme.
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07:29:27apo`midkay: While you're at it, you could also tell me if it's savely or safely, because I'm too lazy to fire up firefox and I have to go to school in one minute.
07:29:36midkaysafely.
07:29:38sharpesafely.
07:29:50midkaynice try, slowy.
07:30:14apo`Hah. I knew it.
07:30:16scorchehow would one get savely?
07:30:20apo`And now see you.
07:30:25apo`< Goes off
07:30:52scorcheonly applies when the f is at the end >_>
07:32:44scorcheand when making plural...not an adjective...
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08:56:29midkaywhat kind of shar pei talks?!
08:56:48sharpea smart one.
08:57:02midkaythat goes against the fact that it talks about uninteresting, silly things.
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09:01:56jhMikeSHello? I don't see any activity, if there is any. I'm trying to get this working.
09:02:32sharpeblink.
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09:03:41jhMikeSOk...got that.
09:03:49sharpethen it probably works.
09:03:59jhMikeSthanks. :)
09:04:12sharpethat's what we're here for...
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10:22:41aliaskBut now it's not even turning on when the player is charged, and when it does, it loads the iriver firmware, so do people have any opinions?
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11:08:17scorchenow that is just....WRONG!
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11:08:36midkayyou blew it you stupid-a** b****!!!! :(
11:08:50scorchedid not
11:08:55scorchei followed along
11:08:58scorcheyou ruined it
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11:21:16peturbbq?
11:21:35Nibbleringnore that!
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11:31:34Jungti1234good..
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11:32:14Jungti1234Is it vacation season now?
11:41:50FOAD_Here it is.
11:42:42peturyes, some devs can only use CPIP (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt) to connect :)
11:42:51FOAD_:)
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12:45:42Slasherinow entry removal from tagcache finally works fine :) still fixing other problems now..
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12:53:33XavierGrGood work Slasheri!
12:53:44XavierGrBTW what happened to your army obligations?
12:53:52XavierGrStill in the army?
12:59:12SlasheriXavierGr: yep, 44 days left :) almost over
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13:01:28XavierGrit was like yesterday when you finished the playback code and announced that you are going for your army obligations
13:02:09XavierGrI was so sad that you were going to be away, but all this time you had plenty of time to be here in the end
13:07:48Slasheri:)
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13:24:52shriphaniguys are you all short of patience ?
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13:25:37shriphanicuz the abscence of twikis might lead me to ask instructions for installing rockbox on my ipod in linux
13:25:59shriphanican you help me ?
13:26:27peturshriphani: use google cache to look at the wiki ;)
13:26:36shriphanithanks
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13:30:25linuxstbshriphani: The PDF manual also includes install instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
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14:52:45Captain_Americawho wants to hear a funny story
14:53:16Captain_Americai got an ipod on tuesday night and i left it in the rental van last night
14:53:24Captain_Americaso now i have nno ipod again
14:54:10shriphanipeople where can i download the rockbox for linux
14:54:33shriphanii got only the cvs builds but no bootloader so i doubt it will rk
14:54:40shriphaniwork ^
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14:56:10shriphanican anyone help me?
14:56:36linuxstbshriphani: Check the channel topic...
14:56:46shriphanichecked it
14:56:48PaulJamwhat do you mean with " rockbox for linux" ?
14:56:57shriphanii mean nstalling it in linux
14:57:06shriphanion my ipod in linux
14:57:24linuxstbshriphani: Check it again - the bootloader is there.
14:57:31linuxstb^bootloaders
14:57:39shriphaniand ipod_fw ?
14:57:41Captain_Americahey is it just me, or is there no way to back up in doom
14:58:01midkayon an ipod there is not.
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14:58:06midkayturn around and move 'forward'..
14:58:24Captain_Americai got that
14:58:27linuxstbshriphani: You get that from the link in the manual:
14:58:35Captain_Americai was asking if you could move backwards
14:58:44shriphanithe link opens up a wierd ebpage
14:58:57midkayCaptain_America, as i just said, you cannot.
14:59:47Captain_Americayes
14:59:54Captain_Americamidkayturn around and move 'forward'..
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15:00:01Captain_Americayou also said that
15:00:10midkayin addition to "you can't", yes.
15:00:19shriphanilinuxstb: seen what the link throws
15:00:19Captain_Americawell then why did you add that
15:00:22midkayif you don't care for my tip, just read the information that says "you can't" and move along.
15:00:27Captain_Americathat isn't backwards
15:00:36linuxstbshriphani: Works fine for me.
15:00:43shriphanihmmm
15:00:49midkayif you're asking the question of why can't i move backwards, you really might need to know that.. sorry for the inconvenience.
15:01:47shriphanii still dont see anything but wierd writing
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15:02:41linuxstbshriphani: Try using wget or curl to download it - "wget http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/tools/ipod_fw.c"
15:03:29shriphanii got it
15:03:46PaulJamcan't you set the buttons in the main menu of the doomplugin?
15:06:05bluebrotherisn't that task pretty much outdated? Or is delete / copy / paste not working on archos? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/96
15:07:41bluebrotherotherwise I'll close it.
15:07:43linuxstbbluebrother: Probably. But there is a useful (IMO) plugin somewhere in the patch tracker that will go through and delete all the clutter Windows and Mac OS (and probably some Linux desktops as well) put on your ipod.
15:08:18linuxstb s/ipod/DAP/ :)
15:08:23bluebrotherhmm. The only thing is that I'm unsure if copy / delete works on archos devices.
15:08:59linuxstbDelete definitely works (it's been in Rockbox for a long time). I can't see why the other file operations would be disabled on the Archos devices.
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15:09:34linuxstbbluebrother: I say close it.
15:09:47bluebrotherok.
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15:13:57Captain_Americahey anyone wanna have a scavenger hunt
15:14:25Captain_Americaim looking for a decent dvdrw drve (external and usb)
15:14:35Captain_Americai hvae no idea what to get
15:14:51Captain_Americaso if anyone can find one itll be greatly appreciated
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15:18:16KohlrabiAny drive by plextor ;)
15:18:37Kohlrabithey cost a tad more
15:18:42Kohlrabilike 20€ or so
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15:21:19Captain_Americahmm
15:21:21Captain_Americapounds
15:21:30Captain_Americaso like 60 bucks america?
15:21:32Captain_American
15:21:41Captain_Americahttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260005095600&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Stores
15:21:46Captain_Americathat looks nice
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15:26:01Captain_Americaanyone?
15:26:04Captain_Americaany good?
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15:29:04*linuxstb wonders why the source code to Songbird is a 350MB download...
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15:29:22*lou wonders what Songbird might be
15:29:23Captain_Americasongbird?
15:29:44linuxstbhttp://www.songbirdnest.com/
15:30:05*lou is too lazy to click that URL and waits for an explanation by linuxstb instead
15:30:22*linuxstb is too lazy to explain and suggests the website
15:30:25crashdlinuxstb: uses the mozilla xul framework
15:30:31crashdso they probably haev to distribute all of it
15:30:37crashdfor licensing reasons
15:30:43crashdthat's what i'd wager, anyway
15:30:54linuxstbI'll find out in an hour or so...
15:30:58crashd:)
15:31:18ricardo_dawkinsgood morning all!
15:31:48louoh
15:31:52loua music player
15:31:58lounow thats something new
15:33:56Captain_Americai still dont get it
15:34:02Captain_Americalike a replacement for wmp?
15:34:15loufor what?
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15:36:16loufor the record, i consider even my amiga MAS audio player a good replacement for wmp
15:36:19lou;;
15:38:44linuxstbI agree, I like nice and simple (and tiny) audio players that just play files from the filesystem. But lots of people like the integration between itunes/ipod and maybe Songbird could be the basis for a PC-companion to Rockbox.... There aren't many (any?) cross-platform open source audio players.
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15:39:08webguest98Hello !
15:39:09linuxstbSo I'm trying to keep an eye on it's development.
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15:39:56webguest98is anyone here X5 owner tested this patch? : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5639
15:40:35webguest98it seems to increase the battery runtime consderably
15:40:48scorchehttp://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=999772006
15:40:53scorchewow...apple is so original!
15:40:54scorche;)
15:41:06webguest98that cut off usb OTG chip for the X5
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15:41:25webguest98err: apple is so *evil* ;)
15:42:14scorchei like how in the article, they announce it as a novel idea and "Crucially, the talking machines could give the iPod a badly-needed new competitive edge in the hotly-contested digital music player market."
15:42:37webguest98any X5 user? last attempt
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15:43:43Captain_Americahmmm
15:43:53Captain_Americaso is it like itunes
15:43:56Captain_Americaim so lost
15:44:30scorcheCaptain_America: songbird?
15:46:07Captain_Americayessuh
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15:46:31obolinuxstb: let me know if you get songbird to work - wouldn't compile here on a 64bit debian box
15:46:44oboand it uses flash for audio playback :(
15:47:00scorchehere...lemme paraphrase his message for you...
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15:47:43louflash for playback?
15:47:44scorche...nice and simple (and tiny) audio player...lots of people like the integration between itunes/ipod...maybe Songbird could be the basis for a PC-companion to Rockbox...
15:48:19scorchejust an open source player that *could* end up as a possible compainion to rockbox like itunes is with the ipod
15:48:41oboyeah, at first they tried vlc, then mplayer, then decided to settle on flash (at least on linux)
15:49:27crwlflash for playback, *ON LINUX*?
15:49:44crwlprobably even using macromedia's shitty plugin that doesn't even support ALSA?
15:49:47idnaron any Mozilla platform
15:50:01obocrwl: that's the one :(
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15:52:40oboat least that's the way I read this: http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=274 (plus bug # 409)
15:52:53merbanancrwl: the new flash player for linux will probably have alsa
15:53:06crwlmerbanan, what's that?
15:53:26Captain_Americaahhh but itunes works with an ipod that has rockbox so why do we even need songbird
15:53:47scorchebecause itunes is the debil
15:54:07merbanancrwl: the flash9 plugin is in the works
15:54:10scorchebut we dont *need* it anyway...just some people happen to like the integration
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15:55:06ravonoh wow! Kudos to Ulrich for the X5 battery patch.
15:55:57crwlmerbanan, ah, ok. that's good, i guess...
15:56:17TeaSearavon: What does the battery patch do?
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15:57:20linuxstbCaptain_America: Rockbox works on more devices than just ipods... itunes also doesn't support most of Rockbox's audio formats (FLAC, vorbis, wavpack etc etc)
15:58:06ravonTeaSea: Disables the USB OTG chip.
15:58:14TeaSearavon: I see I see.
15:58:18TeaSeaAnd that improves battery life?
15:58:21ravonAccording to the author it increases the battery lifetime from 15h to 24h
15:58:28TeaSeaCrikey.
15:58:34ravonMy thought exactly :D
15:58:35TeaSeaConsidering my battery life is at roughly 2-3 hours at this point.
15:58:38TeaSeaThis could be good.
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16:00:21XavierGrcool! With VMware mounter and Ext2FSD I can mount the linux virtual machine HD on Windows!
16:00:35*petur gets triggered
16:00:50peturspeed?
16:00:52linuxstbobo: I've just downloaded the source, and vlc seems to still be part of it...
16:01:21linuxstbXavierGr: Presumably not at the same time as you're running vmware?
16:01:28XavierGrehm yes
16:01:30XavierGrlet me try
16:01:35XavierGrand start vmware
16:02:08bluebrotherpetur, I used that driver for quite some time with an external ext3 drive. Worked nice and pretty fast. Unfortunately it has problems with characters other than ascii.
16:02:58XavierGrHmm I don't have the right to delete a file
16:03:03XavierGr(though I can copy a file)
16:03:21linuxstbSo it's read-only in Linux?
16:03:23amiconnXavierGr: Better don't. Two filesystems accessing the same volume at the same time and not knowing about each other is bound to cause problems
16:04:09bluebrotherthe driver won't recognize the filesystem if it's mounted otherwise. Windows will ask you if you want to format the drive as it doesn't find a valid filesystem
16:04:43amiconnThe thing is that windows doesn't know the volume is mounted otherwise
16:04:45XavierGrI was wrong I can delete files
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16:05:03XavierGrwell I used a double mount
16:05:16obolinuxstb: I failed to even get it to compile here (64bit issues), I'm just going by their bugzilla on the audio engine thing
16:05:25linuxstbXavierGr: I agree with amiconn - be careful unless vmware mounter tells you explicitly it will work.
16:05:29XavierGrfirst I installed ext2fd that will make windows recognize linux partitions
16:05:36XavierGrthen I used vmware mount
16:05:43XavierGrit works while vmware is offline
16:05:55XavierGrlet me just test with vmware on
16:05:59XavierGrnothing to loose really
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16:06:33XavierGrahahah
16:06:40XavierGrvmware refuses to start
16:06:47XavierGrit says that it can't lock the file
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16:07:51XavierGrtoo bad
16:08:00XavierGrit seems that vmware won't start
16:08:22XavierGrthough with a nice script this would come handy for offline work
16:09:39*linuxstb now has 1.4GB of songbird source code, time to try compiling...
16:11:33XavierGrunmounting the disk from windows enables once again VMware to boot!
16:11:50shriphanican someone please tell me where to find the rockbox bootloader for ipod 5g?
16:12:02XavierGrbut what will happen if I try to mount on windows while Vmware is working? heheh (evil laughter....)
16:12:06scorcheshriphani: see the topic...
16:12:28shriphanii cant find it in there so i shall be greatful for the help
16:12:36shriphanigrateful
16:13:00linuxstbCheck the IpodInstallation directory...
16:13:09shriphaniok
16:13:19ricardo_dawkinsdo we discuss rockbox themes here ?
16:13:38ricardo_dawkinssorry to ask this..
16:13:48shriphanithanks
16:14:04XavierGrhmfr they thought of that too
16:14:07ricardo_dawkinsamicon: does your EEPROM driver works with H320 ?
16:14:19XavierGrVMware mounter will refuse to mount the disk while vmware is running
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16:15:30linuxstbXavierGr: That's not surprising - it would be very hard to make two operating systems co-operate and access the same raw disk device at the same time.
16:15:40shriphanilinuxstb: rockboot.bin please :)
16:15:58linuxstbshriphani: You make that yourself.
16:16:12shriphanioh with the code ?
16:16:50XavierGrmore bad news:
16:16:52linuxstbYes, ipod_fw.c is used to create it - based on files you've created in earlier steps.
16:17:12shriphaniok
16:17:13XavierGrit won't let you mount a virtual HD if the machine is closed in a suspended state.
16:17:26eGen_all: I!m not only one, but I will put a rockbox to my iRiver H320 .. but i can't find download link for fwpatcher :o( can somebody tell me, where is fwpatcher now for download ?
16:17:34XavierGrbeats the point of using it....
16:17:53bluebrotherXavierGr, this isn't surprising −− the disk is marked to be mounted, so the windows driver refuses to recognize it.
16:17:56shriphanibut i dont see rockboot.bin in the dir :(
16:18:07bluebrotherbut you can read such a disk with explore2fs
16:18:18bluebrotherunfortunately explore2fs is read only.
16:18:29ricardo_dawkinsamicon: does your EEPROM driver works with H320 ?
16:18:31XavierGrbluebrother: yes, but it would be good to be able to do so.
16:18:38linuxstbshriphani: Have you ran the ipod_fw command to generate it? (step 7 in the PDF manual)
16:18:40XavierGrbluebrother: no
16:18:45shriphaniyes
16:18:53XavierGrmy version lets me check to enable write support
16:18:59shriphanilet me run it again
16:19:44bluebrotherXavierGr, doing so would be problematic as some files would change without the OS knowing of it. So there's a risk to modify files that are already open.
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16:20:25shriphanishould i replace the -g and -e ????
16:20:45XavierGrbluebrother: Yes I agree it is quite risky to do so
16:20:45shriphanior should i type the code in directly?
16:21:05linuxstbshriphani: You don't use -e in the last step. Does the manual say you do?
16:21:21shriphanino
16:21:23ricardo_dawkinshttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5050.0
16:21:26shriphanibut i do use a -g
16:21:37shriphaniso i should type -5g there ?
16:21:39bluebrotherhow about using a windows folder and mapping it to a new drive letter, making that accessible from vmware? Isn't that possible?
16:22:23shriphanior only 5g
16:23:03linuxstbshriphani: You should type exactly what step 8 says in the manual
16:23:14shriphanii did that
16:24:08linuxstbThen if there is no rockboot.bin in the current directory, something went wrong in the earlier steps. How big are a) bootpartition.bin, b) apple_os.bin and c) apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin ?
16:24:42shriphanihow big ?
16:24:56linuxstbYes, the filesizes.
16:25:01shriphanioh
16:25:51shriphaniapple_os.bin = 0bytes !!!
16:26:46linuxstbDid you change any of the command-lines? Only the "dd" commands needs to be changed at all - to refer to the correct disk device. Everything else you just type verbatim.
16:26:58shriphanino i didnt
16:27:06linuxstbSo how big is bootpartition.bin?
16:27:24shriphani109.8 mb
16:27:54linuxstbSounds right. Try the ipod_fw command in step 6 again.
16:27:59shriphaniok
16:28:06linuxstb(and then check the size of apple_os.bin)
16:29:24shriphanistill 0 b
16:29:48shriphanithe command returns an instruction manual of ipod_fw
16:30:00linuxstbIn which case you've mistyped one of the options.
16:30:20XavierGrhmfr created files in windows are all lost when VM starts
16:31:20shriphanigot it right now
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16:32:54shriphaniGenerating firmware image compatible with iPod video
16:32:54shriphaniCannot open firmware image file apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin
16:33:33shriphanithats the output i got
16:33:53shriphaniis it righ
16:35:07shriphanierm linuxstb is the output right ?
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16:36:30linuxstbNo - it means you don't have the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file.
16:36:36shriphanibut i do
16:36:41shriphanii can see it
16:36:43linuxstbWith that _exact_ name?
16:36:57linuxstbAnd it's not zero bytes?
16:37:27shriphaniit has an apple_s not _sw
16:37:48shriphaniso another misspelt command ?
16:38:24linuxstbYes... I'm guessing you're not using copy/paste?
16:38:30shriphanino
16:38:55shriphanithis kubuntu isnt agreeing with this laptop keyoard
16:39:29bluebrotherlinuxstb, how about writing a small cmd / bash script that automates these steps?
16:39:35bluebrotherjust as an idea.
16:39:40shriphaniso must i start from scratch ?
16:39:47linuxstbshriphani: No, just rename the file.
16:39:51shriphaniok
16:40:10lamedhello everyone. someone had time to take a look over http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5641 or http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5587 ?
16:40:20linuxstbbluebrother: I would prefer to enhance the tools to reduce the number of steps (and necessary options). But I'm sure someone has already written a script to do it...
16:41:25bluebrotheris there a reliable possibility to detect a dap and determine its type? Especially on windows?
16:42:56shriphanithats done it
16:43:22lamedi guess not
16:43:39linuxstbshriphani: Just to double-check, your apple_os.bin and the apple_sw_... files should both be around 5MB in size, but different sizes (apple_os.bin is slightly bigger).
16:43:46shriphanilinuxstb: can you tell me where to find the firmware ?
16:43:49linuxstbYour rockboot.bin should be just under 12MB.
16:44:00linuxstbshriphani: You mean Rockbox itself?
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16:44:35shriphanirockboot.bin = 5.7 MB :(
16:44:48linuxstbshriphani: And your apple_sw_... file?
16:45:18shriphani5.0 MB
16:46:13shriphaniwill it blast my ipod off now?
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16:46:38linuxstbIt won't work - so don't try the final "dd" command.
16:46:45shriphaniok
16:47:05shriphanithen do i start from scratch ?
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16:48:19linuxstbNo, your two apple_ files seem correct. I'm guessing you mistyped the last ipod_fw command. Try deleting your rockboot.bin and then running that final ipod_fw command again.
16:48:26shriphaniok
16:49:53amiconnbluebrother: It should be possible to find the vendor and type of plugged in usb drives
16:50:57shriphaninow its 2.3 MB lol
16:51:42rasherForum spam! Forum spam!
16:52:06rasherWhoever has the ability to clean out that.
16:52:15linuxstbshriphani: Obvious question, but is your hard disk full?
16:52:22shriphanino
16:52:23linuxstbrasher: Use the "report to moderator" link.
16:53:16rasherAh, well that was obvious.
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17:04:41linuxstbobo: Songbird compiled fine for me, but playback doesn't seem to be implemented yet for Linux :) So it's a little limiting...
17:05:09oboslightly :) I think I'll stick to amarok
17:06:15linuxstbI also hate apps that ignore the user's window manager and do things themselves...
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17:21:08ricardo_dawkinsthere is a way to solve my problem ?
17:23:15flux__hmm.. format media-feature, is it smart enough to store the .rockbox-directory temporarily to memory?-o
17:23:30flux__(is there enough capacity to do that..)
17:23:42flux__(in ihp120)
17:24:19rasherWhat do you mean, like a disk-cache?
17:25:17rasherThat is, keeping parts of the disk in memory, no, there's no such thing as far as I know. It wouldn't really help much either, since the .rockbox directory is rarely read
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17:42:49ender`flux__: theoretically, there is enough memory - H120/140 have 32MB RAM, and H110 has 16MB, while rockbox compiled for iriver is less than 3MB. it shouldn't really matter though, since the device boots from flash memory, which formatting doesn't touch
17:44:41flux__rasher, well, atleast the binary would be nice to have
17:44:53flux__but yeah, you would still need to copy all the music from a pc
17:44:59flux__you could use it to record stuff, though ;)
17:45:01rasherflux__: That's already in memory as far as I can tell
17:45:22flux__hmm.. but I doubt it is written back to the media after formatting it?
17:45:23rashersince it's being executed and all
17:45:41rasherNow I'm completely confused. I have no idea what you're saying, basically
17:45:57flux__does formatting media erase also rockbox?
17:46:08flux__when you do that from within rockbox
17:46:10rasherYes, it does.
17:46:14flux__ok
17:46:20rasherYou can't do that.
17:46:26rasherThere's no "format" in Rockbox.
17:46:29flux__hm
17:47:02flux__ok, well that might be, maybe I'm remembering reading iriver changelog, and I don't have the wiki or the player handy :)
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17:52:48bluebrothershould we still consider this request as valid? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5088
17:53:47rasherDon't think so. It's completely the opposite of intended behaviour
17:54:22rasherAnd the button-detection is just not done yet
17:55:16rasherI believe
17:55:22rasherat least, booting Apple by default will not happen.
17:56:24rasherIt's great when users set severity to high because their problems are most important
17:56:33petur:)
17:56:52peturcritical even
17:56:56rasherA bit like those pretentious people who set the "important" flag in Outlook
17:57:02bluebrotherI _love_ users who know their "bugs" are critical.
17:57:38bluebrothertask closed.
17:58:29bluebrotherhehe ... pacman as feature request. That is really old.
17:59:01peturkill kill
17:59:05rasherThe tracker has always been and probably will always be a mess of old and/or invalid items
17:59:27bluebrothersure, but sometimes old tasks need to be killed.
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17:59:41rasherIndeed, it's just a lot of work
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18:00:31rasherMaybe an age-limit should be set on patches. If there's been no update in 3 months, close it (unless it's on a plugin)
18:00:34bluebrotherhehe: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1863
18:00:45bluebrother"Showing the picture itself is of course not possible"
18:01:21rasher"Jukebox" means Player IIRC, so he's actually right
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18:01:46rasherIn Archos terms, that is
18:02:26rasherI guess the request is still valid, technically. He's basically asking for a port of "file", isn't he?
18:03:16bluebrothersomething like that. But I think this is covered better by the file properties request.
18:06:08rasherTrue, forgot about that. It's been a while since I trawled the tracker
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18:09:14rasherAnd I even wrote a patch for that (which is attached to the first post though, guess because of the SF->FS conversion), my memory must be failing me.
18:14:39rasherArgh! Referencing items by their SourceForge id is the devil.
18:15:06rasher"I can confirm the behaviour reported in 988530." Well that's great, but what is 988530?
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18:16:59rasherAny objections to closing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2320 ? It's a) really really old b) referencing something that's impossible to find right now
18:19:24rasherSilence is acceptance, closed.
18:19:57linuxstb_rasher: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=988530&group_id=44306&atid=439121
18:20:06linuxstb_Give me more than 2 minutes :)
18:20:23sharpewaking up is fun...
18:20:40linuxstb_rasher: But that was closed, so I guess it's correct to close 2320.
18:20:56rasherShows how much I know - thought the SF tracker was emptied.
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18:22:08rasherYou know something is old if it references the haxx.se domain
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18:22:52bluebrotherhow about closing all tasks that are older than say 1 year and opened by anonymous reporters?
18:22:56amiconnrasher: 988530 is a sf tracker id
18:23:57Mikachuwaiting usually doesn't fix bugs
18:24:05amiconnI think mentioned task can be closed. A new charging algorithm was implemented for recorder v1 after that report
18:24:09bluebrothermay I draw some attention to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5619 ?
18:24:31amiconnIt performs significantly better than the old one, although it's not perfect
18:26:13rasheramiconn: About the sf id, yeah, I just thought the SF tracker had been closed/emptied so there was no way to figure out which one was meant
18:27:02linuxstb_rasher: I just went through my archive of "rockbox-sf" emails, and tried one of the old URLs. I was surprised it worked as well.
18:27:24rasherbluebrother: I agree it'd be a more reasonable default (same way my phone works, for what little that's worth)
18:27:31linuxstb_The "tracker" link on the main sourceforge project page doesn't list any trackers. But I guess old items are never deleted.
18:27:44rasherlinuxstb_: That may be the root of my confusion
18:28:04bluebrotherrasher, I think it would be good to have this change in before 3.0
18:28:54rasherI'd agree, but then I a) don't own a colour unit b) am not much of a developer
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18:30:34bluebrothercolor unit?
18:31:02linuxstb_The default is true for colour units, false for others...
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18:32:23linuxstbThe option seems pointless on the ipods though - just touching the scrollwheel (which is neccessary before you can press a button) enables the backlight. So the backlight is always on when you press a button...
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18:33:03amiconnlinuxstb: That's not true for select...
18:33:17bluebrotherhas this been changed? After the last settings reset I made on my h120 it was enabled ...
18:33:18*linuxstb bangs hand against head
18:33:37Mikachuyou don't have to worry about that until november
18:33:41linuxstbOK, so it's pointless for a different reason.
18:35:33rasherNice tagcache update
18:37:05*rasher thinks it would be nice if "FS#[0-9]*" got linked in flyspray
18:37:17linuxstbbluebrother: That pacman feature request is still valid for Archos devices - pacbox (being an emulator) is only really suitable for the more powerful devices.
18:37:31linuxstb(it doesn't run on Archos devices)
18:37:38rasherI smell red
18:37:57bluebrotherlinuxstb, ok. So I guess it should be reopened?
18:38:02rasherSlasheri makes a dash at the hiscore
18:38:29rasherI guess that's why my Windows sim builds started failing
18:40:09ricardo_dawkinswhat happens if I short circuit the pin on the USB port for my H320 ???
18:40:28sharpericardo_dawkins: which pin?
18:40:41linuxstbbluebrother: I guess so. (sorry...)
18:41:22gromit`funny the /. article about talking ipods...
18:41:26gromit`http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot?m=6486
18:41:31gromit`patents...
18:41:46rasher"Apple proudly reinvents the wheel"
18:42:20rasherNot to mention the whole thing is pretty much the obvious way to do it
18:44:10rasher"Not content with changing the world's music-listening habits, Apple has come up with another innovation: the talking iPod." and yet, Rockbox is able to get there first. On the ipod, no less.
18:44:32linuxstbSo that Scotsman article is just based on the fact (widely reported a few months ago) that Apple have some Voice-related patents? i.e. it's just rumours?
18:44:36rasherThat article reeks of press release
18:44:50bluebrotherlinuxstb, reopened it. But set the target to archos ;-)
18:44:52rasherOr fanboyism, or both.
18:44:57rasherlinuxstb: Probably
18:46:48rasherI wonder when the "oops" commit will come
18:47:03rasherHope this wasn't a commit-and-run
18:49:08ricardo_dawkinssharpe: 1 and 5. the two on the extremes for the USB DATA port
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18:49:44ricardo_dawkinswhat will happen if I short these pins ?
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18:54:47ricardo_dawkinswhat will happen if I short these pins ?
18:55:05rasherRepeating your question won't help you get an answer.
18:55:21ricardo_dawkinsok...what about the MEDIA port ?
18:55:32ricardo_dawkinslast question...sorry for spamming
18:56:28rasher(I do not know the answer to your questions)
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20:08:59webguest76hi. i have an actual rockbox on my ipod 5g. From time to time the display shows "codec error" and skips through the whole list. after a restart everything is fine again. Is there a reason for this?
20:09:46Ribsthe ipod port of rockbox is immature
20:09:53Ribsthere are all sorts of strange bugs right now
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20:12:16ryranhola everyone. question: does the setting [ system > limits > max playlist size ] affect tagcache too?
20:12:35webguest76yeah. right. but it is still fun. i heard that the ipod is official supported in 3.1 at november. is that right?
20:13:42Mikachuas right as 3.0 was out two months ago
20:13:52jhMikeSwebguest76: I get that on the X5 as well. At the end of an album folder as far as I can tell right now.
20:14:24webguest76mikachu: ^^
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20:15:41ryranmmmm...
20:16:10webguest76jhMikeS: at the end of an folder? you have got that "resume-to-next-folder-thingie" turned on? I am using a very big playlist so that cannot be the reason for my problem.
20:17:06webguest76and needless to say that the x5-port is also immature. ^^
20:19:11jhMikeSI haven't been able to reproduce it at will. It seems to happen mostly after long play times and I don't hear music anymore. I don't know about my setting. I'll give a look.
20:19:55webguest76um... and sorry for my bad english in disguise and advance. ^^
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20:23:12jhMikeSWhere's the "resume to next folder thingie" located? Do you mean "Auto Change Directory"? That is on.
20:24:18webguest76yeah. right.
20:24:57webguest76have you ever thought of making bigger playlists? or one playlist per folder? maybe that helps.
20:27:37jhMikeSI don't usually use playlists. But it comes up when I'm not watching. I could try that or just put one short file in each of say, 10 directories and see if it speeds up the process.
20:28:10webguest76good idea
20:30:43jhMikeSRight now I'm just reading chip docs...
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20:37:03ryrando any DEVS: does the setting [ system > limits > max playlist size ] affect tagcache playback also?
20:37:09ryranto, even
20:42:09Slasheriryran: yes, it will affect. If tagcache view has more items, then chunked browsing mode is automatically enabled
20:42:25Slasheribut if it's not a root menu, then sorting is lost
20:42:43ryranhmmm
20:42:59ryrancan't say I totally understand ya Slasheri, but I'll just go with the 'yes' ;D
20:45:15Slasheriryran: hmm, in fact i think the option "was max files in a directory", not "max playlist size"
20:45:28Slasheriso changing the first one has affect with tagcache
20:46:46hardeepSlasheri: I only looked at them briefly but it doesn't appear that your latest changes modified the tagcache file structures any?
20:47:04ryranoh. so 'max playlist size' is just talking about... uhh.. a playlist. and 'max files in dir browser' affects tagcache, say if you were to try displaying all tracks?
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20:48:55Slasherihardeep: your pc program generating the tagcache should be fully compatible with the latest version of tagcache, no internal sturctures are changed
20:49:05hardeepSlasheri: cool, thanks
20:49:22Slasherionly new functionality has been added and existing bugs fixed in order to delete entries fully or partially on the fly
20:49:49jhMikeSryran: I looked and I don't see any reference to that setting in tagcache.c...so...IMHO...no.
20:50:01ryranhmmmmm....
20:50:47ryraninnnteresting
20:51:38hardeeptree.c/tagtree.c are what you want to look at, max files in a directory will affect the tagcache
20:51:57hardeepmax files in a playlist only affects the playlist code
20:52:07ryranokay
20:52:50ryranso the max files in a dir affects like... ie, how many songs would be displayed if you displayed them by track?
20:54:08hardeepryran: yes
20:54:13ryranyay
20:54:20ryrant'ank a you hardeep
20:55:01jhMikeSI see max_files_in_dir controlling the number entries but not max_files_in_playlist.
20:55:43hardeepjhMikeS: yes, that's correct
20:57:31*amiconn hands Slasheri his score of 2534 ;)
20:57:50amiconncorrection, 2530
20:58:34hardeepnew record?
20:59:16Slasheriamiconn :D
20:59:51amiconnhardeep: I don't think so. Iirc the record is around 8000
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21:01:00Slasheriamiconn: now at commit step, all deleted entries and indexes are permanently wiped out from the tagcache database except the filenames
21:01:20hardeepsomething to aim for next time!
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21:02:01hardeepare the cross compilers available as debian packages anywhere or do I need to rebuild?
21:02:05amiconnSlasheri: Any significant speed changes at scan and/or commit?
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21:02:48Slasheriamiconn: speed should be the same as before, no changes to that
21:03:11amiconnSlasheri: Also, is wiping optional (i.e. can I build a cumulative database across several MMCs on Ondio)?
21:03:28JdGordonmorning all
21:03:34Slasheriexcept manual update is much slower than before if dircache has been disabled.. because code needs to reverse scan for every file on the hd
21:04:05Slasherihmm, currently wiping isn't optional
21:04:24amiconnIt's not that important to make it optional...
21:04:57amiconnThe only situation where this would be handy is checking a collection spread across several MMCs for dupes and tagging errors
21:05:01Slasherihowever, enabling automatic updating and disabling dircache only adds new files
21:05:18amiconnAuto-update works without dircache now?
21:05:30Slasherimanual update always detects deleted files and when committing next time (new files have been added), old entries are wiped out
21:05:32Slasheriyes
21:05:56Slasheriit shouldn't be too slow when only adding new files
21:06:17amiconnHow does it detect new files?
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21:06:50Slasheriit recursively scans the hd (as it did before) and checks if the files already exist in tagcache
21:08:29amiconn?
21:08:36*amiconn doesn't understand
21:08:56amiconnWhat's the difference between this and a manual update?
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21:09:40Slasherithere is no difference, except manual update does only the reversed scan (with tagcache entries scanned against hdd entries) even if dircache is not enabled
21:09:50Slasherionly=too
21:09:53Slasheri*also
21:09:55Slasheri:D
21:10:22amiconnHmm, but how is the scan triggered?
21:10:36amiconnDoes it scan every time at boot / after usb?
21:10:56Slasheriauto scan is done at every boot in background (after initializing dircache and loading tagcache to ram as desired)
21:11:01Slasheriyes
21:11:17jhMikeSI'm still setting stuff up here. Where's a place that I can currently access the guide to compiling rockbox? There's no Google cache for that page.
21:11:20amiconnMay take a long time and eat a lot of battery...
21:11:40Slasheritrue.. it takes something like 20-30s to do the auto scan without dircache
21:11:45Slasheribut that's an option :)
21:11:52amiconnaha
21:12:06amiconnDid the hard entry limit go away?
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21:12:39Slasherinope, there is still the limit of 10000 entries.. but that will be fixed later
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21:12:53Slasherineeds more investigation on the memory allocation routines
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21:13:49amiconnSome archos users already ran into the limit.
21:13:52amiconnIf it
21:14:23amiconn's not possible to avoid the hard limit, tagcache should at least behave graceful
21:15:27Slasheriyes, that will be probably the next thing to fix :)
21:16:34amiconnIirc, commit doesn't finish when there are more than 10000 entries
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21:37:14KlrSpzhttp://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/07/10/0345252.shtml
21:37:14KlrSpzanyone see that?
21:37:37|apo|Uh...
21:37:43|apo|based on a patent filed by Apple in the US. From the article: >_>
21:38:12KlrSpzwonder what that entails for rockbox
21:38:32|apo|But... We're first
21:38:32|apo|<_<
21:38:39|apo|Aren't we?
21:38:40KlrSpzfirst to use possibly
21:38:54KlrSpzbut if apple has the 1-up on the patent, that means legal discretion could be suited
21:39:29|apo|I really don't get that... how can Apple patent that if they weren't the first to use it?
21:40:19KlrSpzbeaurocracy
21:40:23|apo|~_~
21:40:25Mikachuthe us patent office is broken
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21:40:31KlrSpzbureaucracy, sorry
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21:41:20jhMikeSEver since Einstein left it is.
21:41:29|apo|:/ Now I wanna get voice on my iPod
21:42:13|apo|Does anybody know how to do it?
21:42:37|apo|Hm, perhaps the google cache can help
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21:43:10KylePVjust put the voice file in the lang folder
21:45:56|apo|Hm
21:46:01|apo|It's working
21:46:02|apo|^_^
21:46:03|apo|Thanks
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21:53:21KylePVno probs
21:53:27PaulJamSlasheri: there seems to be a problem with the german language file in the tagcache settings, in the menu entry to keep tagcache in RAM i have the choices "nein" (no) and "Tag-Datenbank aktualisieren" (update tagcache). the second choice should be "Ja" (yes).
21:54:00PaulJam(this happens in a uisim compiled from cvs)
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22:02:53|apo|What filename do I have to give the mp3s in my folders to have them played when selecting a folder? (Voice directories -> .talk mp3 clip)
22:03:09|apo|I've given them the name _dirname.talk, but it doesn't play them
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22:04:55KylePVdon't know, if the wiki was up the info is there, maybe somebody else here (irc) knows...
22:08:34RoC_MMwhat happened to the website itself?
22:11:05KlrSpzapparently attacked
22:11:22apo`_dirname.talk seems to be correct
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22:18:55ryranI know I've asked this before, but I want to make sure I've got the syntax right. for reversing a patch: patch -p0 -R < patch.patch
22:19:01ryrananyone?
22:19:15Paul_The_NerdAssuming the capital R is correct, then yes.
22:19:20Paul_The_NerdI can't remember if it's upper or lower case.
22:19:34Paul_The_NerdI think it is -R though
22:19:40dionoeayup
22:20:02ryranyeah I looked at the man and saw it was upper.. I just was worried about the order
22:20:16dionoeap0 ?
22:20:38dionoeaerr ... nevermind (i read other instead of order)
22:20:41linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: Have you tried upgrading your Nano to Apple's latest firmware?
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22:21:14Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I have not. I've been out of state, without my iPod. I just got home today. I was thinking about doing it after class tonight. Is it having problems?
22:21:35linuxstbhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5190
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22:22:55linuxstbSomeone also emailed the (main) mailing list with exactly the same issue (but maybe the same person)
22:23:12Paul_The_NerdAh
22:23:18Paul_The_NerdI'll give it a shot later tonight.
22:24:16*Paul_The_Nerd is gonna hafta install iTunes again.
22:24:20linuxstbI also read that the latest firmware fixes the VBR problem, so I would be curious to know if that's true.
22:24:23sharpeohno!
22:24:39Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: I have one song that reliably triggered that, so I'll give that a shot too.
22:24:52linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: I think you can avoid that, one moment...
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22:26:23linuxstbPaul_The_Nerd: The "resource hacker" linked here should be able to extract firmware images from the windows updater: http://ipodlinux.org/Updater#Firmware_Images
22:26:46Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Mainly I need iTunes to actually sync songs over so they would normally show up in the retail OS. ;)
22:26:57linuxstbAh yes... :)
22:27:07*linuxstb stops trying to be too clever...
22:27:18Paul_The_NerdHehehe
22:27:54linuxstbDo you have your own internet connection now, or still relying on neighbors?
22:28:18Paul_The_NerdI have my own again, finally.
22:28:29sharpesince he's in scorche, wouldn't it have to at least be a wireless one; which could be either his or scorche's?
22:28:29Paul_The_NerdSeems to be 1.8mbit cable.
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22:29:46sharpeand i'll just go back to what i usually do now.
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22:41:53RoC_MMApple finally fixed the bug where their firmware cut off the end of VBR mp3's and randomly changed the volume?
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22:43:12apo`[22:24:16] Paul_The_Nerd is gonna hafta install iTunes again. < :D
22:43:32linuxstbRoC_MM: The bug I was talking about was when the buffer emptied when playing back VBR mp3 files and the songs would skip. I didn't know about the others.
22:43:56RoC_MMsongs would skip
22:43:59RoC_MMlike to the next song?
22:44:05linuxstbNo, like Rockbox :)
22:44:07RoC_MMoh
22:44:19RoC_MMyeah apple goofs badly on vbr's
22:44:28RoC_MMsurprised rockbox did or does
22:44:37RoC_MMhaven't ever noticed it I don't thin
22:44:39RoC_MM*think
22:45:35linuxstbThe Rockbox problem is not specific to VBR MP3 files - depending on what else you are doing at the same time, it's not uncommon for music playback to skip on the ipods due to lack of CPU power (i.e. a lack of optimisation of Rockbox).
22:45:51RoC_MMoh for sure
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22:46:38linuxstbApple's bug IIUC was due to them slowing down the CPU for the low-bitrate parts of VBR files, and then not speeding it up fast enough to cope with sudden spikes in the bitrate.
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23:47:21sharpeit's amazing how often HFS+ support topics are brought up...
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23:52:21MrStaticVoidi certainly wouldnt mind doing away with fat
23:52:38MrStaticVoidi just want to put : in filenames
23:53:33Mikachu:?_^.mp3
23:54:17apo`:?/.mp3
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23:55:07apo`\:?<>"*/.mp3
23:55:08apo`:P
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23:55:13apo`I think I got 'em all
23:55:15Mikachui have many songs with ? in the name
23:55:35apo`So do I ~_~
23:55:46Mikachuis the only one that is never possible
23:55:52apo`Foobar maps the invalid chars to _
23:56:02apo`Looks ugly, but whatever.
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23:57:21sharpei just think it's kind of funny how it's brought up, but no one ever does anything about it.
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23:58:26MrStaticVoidi looked through the linux hfs+ code and rockbox's fat code, but its just too much work
23:58:47apo`Well, you can hardly change the filesystem - the original firmware still has to work on it, after all.

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