00:05:02 | sharpe | it's funny, i've to print something, and then fax it. |
00:05:03 | LinusN | panthar: i am working on the wiki, and it might go up and down like a yoyo until i'm done |
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00:14:23 | panthar | Ah, so I wasn't dreaming :) |
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00:20:34 | midgey34 | who is Antoine for CVS? |
00:21:23 | midgey34 | dionoea? |
00:21:36 | dionoea | ? |
00:21:57 | dionoea | and yes, that's me |
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00:22:32 | midgey34 | your commit just reminded me of some bugs I saw in solataire |
00:22:47 | sharpe | i wonder why... |
00:22:50 | dionoea | me too :) |
00:22:53 | midgey34 | you just fixed one of them |
00:23:01 | midgey34 | :) |
00:23:24 | dionoea | the code is ... horrible ... unreadable ... far too complex compared to what it should be |
00:23:31 | midgey34 | one that happens is when you win on a color target (h320 for me) |
00:23:39 | sharpe | dionoea: have fun rewriting it. :) |
00:23:46 | dionoea | i'll tidy it up after 3.0 is released |
00:24:01 | midgey34 | the menu is in green instead of rockbox blue |
00:24:13 | dionoea | midgey34: oh, that would be hard to test .... since wining is kind of rare :) |
00:24:32 | midgey34 | I know what you mean, I've done it like 6 times |
00:24:43 | dionoea | i'll fix it tomorrow |
00:24:43 | midgey34 | out of the coutnless times I've played |
00:24:49 | dionoea | i was about to get some sleep |
00:24:51 | LinusN | time to sleep |
00:24:54 | LinusN | nite all |
00:24:56 | dionoea | did you have other bugs ? |
00:25:00 | dionoea | nite LinusN |
00:25:01 | midgey34 | one more |
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00:25:20 | midgey34 | sometimes, when you draw three cards, only the center card appears |
00:25:26 | midgey34 | its only happened to me twice |
00:25:34 | dionoea | that's weird |
00:25:40 | dionoea | i'll rewrite the plugin :) |
00:25:47 | midgey34 | I think it had something to do with clearing out all three cards but I don't remember |
00:26:06 | midgey34 | regardless, its a great way to pass the time as is |
00:26:09 | PaulJam | please make a vegas mode :) |
00:26:17 | midgey34 | but I need to get going too |
00:26:21 | midgey34 | farewell |
00:26:25 | dionoea | i wrote the initial code 2 years ago ... and it seems that my C code improved a bit since :) |
00:26:44 | dionoea | (at least i hope it did) |
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02:06:33 | webguest32 | hello every0ne |
02:06:38 | webguest32 | i have a quick question |
02:06:49 | webguest32 | is their a way to view the wps gallery? |
02:06:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes? |
02:06:56 | webguest32 | since the wiki is down |
02:07:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not at the moment, no. |
02:07:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | The files are there at the temporary mirror |
02:07:33 | webguest32 | which where could i locate that |
02:07:38 | webguest32 | and are there screen shots |
02:07:46 | * | Paul_The_Nerd points at the channel topic. |
02:07:56 | webguest32 | i see the temp mirror |
02:08:02 | webguest32 | thanks for you help |
02:08:05 | webguest32 | have a nice day |
02:08:11 | webguest32 | rockbox rocks |
02:08:14 | webguest32 | !111 |
02:08:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
02:08:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | So they say. |
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02:11:50 | pixelma | Paul_The_Nerd: there's also http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ |
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02:12:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah yes. Not strictly *the* WPS gallery, but has quite a lot of 'em. |
02:15:33 | joshua_ | Hm, so I just installed RockBox on my iPod... Is there a way to charge it without rebooting into disk mode? (i.e., from the power supply?) |
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02:16:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold menu while you plug in |
02:17:26 | joshua_ | Aha. How hackable is the source? I'd like to have it do the opposite... |
02:18:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's open source and in C, so um... how hackable kinda depends on how confident you are with C. |
02:18:56 | joshua_ | I mean, do I have to jump through special hoops to build it? Or will a standard ARM environment happily build it? |
02:19:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, we strongly recommend arm-elf-gcc 4.0 or later, I believe. |
02:20:16 | joshua_ | Oooh. |
02:20:24 | * | joshua_ tar xzvf /nfs/dashnine/var/www/doom-wads.tar.gz |
02:23:39 | joshua_ | Hmm, Linux seems to suffer from some brain damage rendering it unable to copy a file containing an n-tilde to the device. |
02:24:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Heh |
02:25:29 | Mikachu | joshua_: man mount |
02:26:41 | joshua_ | Mikachu, mount tells me that it's mounted with iocharset=utf8 |
02:27:06 | Mikachu | you also want the utf8 option |
02:27:47 | joshua_ | I wonder why that's not a default in ubuntu |
02:37:19 | jhMikeS | Is it currently not possible to submit patches? Where are the links to do it? |
02:38:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | The word "Patches" at the front page, on the left? |
02:39:38 | jhMikeS | I'm there at flyspray. I'm also trying to login with my id but nothing showing up. I'm probably just being dumb or something. ^_^ |
02:40:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is it the ID you registered for flyspray, or are you trying to use a wiki or forum ID? |
02:40:10 | joshua_ | Hmm, I see a usb.c . |
02:40:19 | joshua_ | I assume that the drivers for the actual UDC aren't in place yet? |
02:40:49 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...ok I guess I need to get yet another id. Thanks. |
02:45:44 | earHertz | linuxstb: here? |
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02:55:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Out of curiosity, why didn't you just rename the .c to .txt for attaching (though .c should be allowed now). Though usually the tracker is the best place for keeping any intermediate files, rather than the forums, even if they're something that will likely never get included, just as a base point for discussing an idea or testing it. |
02:59:51 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: Basically because I've renamed files before, and was hoping to slyly prompt you to change teh forum settings. ;) |
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03:01:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I enabled .c and .h, but not .patch or .diff. Philosophically I think it's best that almost all code be kept on the tracker, but for something that's *definitely* not intended for inclusion, just as a demonstration/test for discussion, well, I'm not so sure. |
03:06:03 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: I agree that "reeal" code shiould be on teh patcher. But I'd like to be avle to psot code for code revies/questions on teh forum |
03:06:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, as I said, you *should* be able to now. Why not go test, and let me know if it worked. ;) |
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03:17:17 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: sorry, busy |
03:17:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | 'sokay |
03:17:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not like the forums are going anywhere. |
03:18:43 | * | earHertz is talking in ipodlinux |
03:19:54 | joshua_ | Hmm... I tried to build it, and got: /usr/local/arm/3.4.1/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: section .got [00000000 -> 00000003] overlaps section .text [00000000 -> 0004dd87] |
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03:36:44 | earHertz | How can I get -S (assembly source) output from rockbox? |
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03:43:57 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: this made my day: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5242.0;topicseen |
03:44:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was physically painful the first time I read that first post. |
03:45:26 | Febs | I know. I clicked on the link thinking, "Hmmm, I wonder what we left out of the manual?" |
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03:46:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The world may never know. |
03:46:16 | baxmaniac | Hi, for some reason I can't access the wiki. |
03:46:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's down. |
03:46:35 | baxmaniac | oh... |
03:46:45 | baxmaniac | any idea when it should be back up? |
03:46:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's being worked on. |
03:47:07 | baxmaniac | ok cool |
03:47:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I don't know if there's a prediction yet. |
03:47:11 | baxmaniac | thanks |
03:47:16 | baxmaniac | alrighty |
03:47:20 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: can we disable graphic signatures in the forums? They serve no useful purpose. |
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03:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: Checking, let you know in a second. |
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03:54:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I don't see how to do that. In fact, I can't seem to find anything relating to signatures. |
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03:54:46 | Febs | Oh well. Thanks for trying. |
03:55:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: I think signatures are simply treated by the same rules as posts (other than the capped length), so I'd have to remove images in posts entirely. |
03:56:03 | Febs | OK, we definitely don't want to do that. |
03:56:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
03:57:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm finding a few limitations in this forum software I can't seem to figure out a way around. For example, you can't say "Membergroup X has the ability to change peoples' membergroup to Y from normal members" you can only, apparently, give them full control of changing membergroups. |
03:58:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm still trying to learn how to bend this forum to my will. |
03:58:29 | Febs | :) |
04:00 |
04:00:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | The problem is that if I allow a membergroup to assing membergroups, they can also edit them, arbitrarily creating more, etc. And while I trust the people I assign as experts, all it takes is one mistake, or one shared password, for something to go horribly wrong. |
04:02:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | What I wanted was to create two "Expert" groups, identical as far as forumgoers can see, but one of them has some moderation abilities, and the ability to add new experts if/when necessary. A sort of Sr. Expert group. |
04:02:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then again, if I make them a Sr. Expert, I clearly trust them a good bit, so it ought to be safe to leave them with that power. |
04:02:45 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
04:02:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's still an in-concept idea. |
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04:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | But at 500 new members a month, our forums are exploding from what they were. |
04:05:24 | sharpe | instead of senior, you could do seer. |
04:05:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, on the forums they'll just be labelled as "Expert" like the others. |
04:06:01 | sharpe | true |
04:07:15 | sharpe | twas just a suggestion for their alternate name. |
04:08:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah, I found a mod for "Group moderators" that allows you to set people as moderators of a membergroup. Which is basically what I want. |
04:08:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, installing mods is not a power I have. |
04:09:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I'm not sure if this qualifies as necessary enough to bother the appropriate person about it. |
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04:17:15 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: what I'd like is a notation that indicated whether someone was a dev, an untrusted dev (like me) or a user |
04:19:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Right now there is a developer notation, for those with commit access. |
04:19:44 | earHertz | yeah, I want for those without, like me |
04:19:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
04:20:03 | earHertz | So I know if I have to redplain things to them or not |
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04:20:07 | earHertz | explain |
04:20:14 | sharpe | i'd still stay under the expert tag... hooray :) |
04:20:26 | earHertz | for a while I assumed most forum users were devs |
04:21:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | We'd need a simple one-word name for patch authors without commit access then, so we could have a logo similar to current ones. |
04:21:15 | sharpe | Contributor ? |
04:21:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Contributor is difficult. |
04:21:28 | * | earHertz nods at sharpe |
04:21:32 | sharpe | length? |
04:21:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | More, breadth of the term |
04:21:41 | sharpe | ah. |
04:21:42 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: Coder? |
04:21:48 | sharpe | Patcher? |
04:21:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | People who have written one note on one wiki page are technically a contributor. |
04:21:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hacker. |
04:22:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Coder |
04:22:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | One of those. |
04:22:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think Patcher implies the power to apply patches. |
04:22:17 | JdGordon | Code Hacker... |
04:22:18 | sharpe | CodeHacker. |
04:22:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe Submitter? |
04:22:33 | midkay | what what what. |
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04:22:57 | midkay | coder sounds good.. |
04:23:06 | S0ap | "Bug Creator" |
04:23:09 | midkay | i could whip one up in the current style of developer/expert. |
04:23:18 | sharpe | some people may take the 'hacker' title in the wrong context. |
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04:23:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | That is true. |
04:23:27 | midkay | agreed.. |
04:23:32 | midkay | coder sounds good to me. |
04:23:38 | midkay | best of the suggestions at least.. |
04:23:40 | earHertz | oh dear, you guys are young |
04:24:01 | midkay | .. |
04:24:03 | sharpe | Hacker is also a broad term... |
04:24:18 | midkay | coder simply fits. |
04:24:27 | midkay | hacker can fit in one way, but it is quite broad. |
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04:24:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Because we recognize that "Hacker" has a lot of risk when viewed by the external community, plus also if it were a bestowed badge it should be reserved for the ones who come up with the REALLY clever solutions? |
04:24:54 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah |
04:25:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Before we finalize this group, we should come up with a few rules for what qualifies for entry. |
04:25:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Having at least one patch committed? |
04:25:28 | sharpe | most likely. |
04:25:45 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: for MY needs, I only care if someone has spent some time reading teh code |
04:26:24 | sharpe | what about Composer for the name? :) |
04:26:27 | JdGordon | yay! i wont be a junior member anymore :D |
04:26:39 | midkay | JdGordon qualifies for coder most certainly :) |
04:27:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think "Coder", with a requirement that they either have had one patch committed, as a general rule (flexible though) |
04:27:46 | midkay | let me upload a gif.. |
04:27:50 | joshua_ | not being a developer, my opinion probably doesn't count for much, but were I a rockbox developer, I'd prefer "rockbox hacker" |
04:28:12 | joshua_ | there's no confusion there as to "omg hax" with the rockbox qualifier |
04:28:15 | baxmaniac | Erm, I just installed Rockbox and I use ipodlinux as well with IPL loader 2. but, now I when I select the apple firmware i get: File: (hd0,0/),osos Size: 50972 Type: Unknown! |
04:28:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | joshua_: Yeah, well the core devs are already simply "Rockbox Developer" |
04:28:33 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: to be fair, we should probbaly have a special name for peopel who make wpses too |
04:28:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: Did you uninstall linux before installing Rockbox, or just try to install over? |
04:28:52 | sharpe | earHertz: Themeist ? |
04:28:56 | baxmaniac | installed it over |
04:28:57 | joshua_ | Paul_The_Nerd, aha, I didn't know that |
04:28:57 | zeke | Hi Guys: hate to interrupt, but here goes..... Mmmm on the rockbox forum suggested I come here to see if I can get some help with a boot hang problem: Here's the link: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5020.15 If anyone has the time to check it out I would really appreciate it. Zeke |
04:29:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: How did you install it? |
04:29:30 | sharpe | ooh. i can't help with the h140 problem. |
04:29:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | joshua_: Yup, in the forums there are "Rockbox Developer" and "Rockbox Expert" groups (expert being manual writers, and people who have shown me they can give good support.) |
04:29:43 | baxmaniac | using the color ipod manual pdf on the main page |
04:29:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: So, you used ipodpatcher and ipod_fw? |
04:30:02 | baxmaniac | yes |
04:30:07 | joshua_ | so I think that "hacker" goes well with it, and "developer" goes to "core developer" |
04:30:07 | earHertz | sharpe: yeah, |
04:30:16 | joshua_ | rockbox + those, of course |
04:30:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: Okay, did you keep the original of bootpartition.bin? |
04:30:27 | baxmaniac | yes |
04:30:34 | joshua_ | up to you guys, of course. |
04:30:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: Okay, leave the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox on your iPod, plug it in, and do "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin" to write that file back. |
04:31:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: Loader2 SHOULD detect rockbox.ipod without you needing to have patched the bootpartition again. |
04:31:05 | midkay | http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9948/rockboxcoder8ld.gif |
04:31:07 | baxmaniac | alright thanks |
04:31:19 | josh_ | folks: on the iPod, does Rockbox run from IRAM at all? |
04:31:22 | sharpe | midkay: good to see you still have that base image around. :) |
04:31:34 | sharpe | because, we can't find it *anywhere* |
04:31:39 | midkay | it's not a base image, it's a photoshop document.. |
04:31:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: If that doesn't work, let us know |
04:31:48 | midkay | who can't find it anywhere? |
04:31:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | josh_: It uses some of it. |
04:31:55 | sharpe | sarcasm. |
04:32:05 | joshua_ | that's interesting, there appear to be multiple me ;) |
04:32:12 | midkay | oh, gosh, that's hilarity. |
04:32:20 | earHertz | on the ipod, does our code go into SRAM or IRAM? |
04:32:25 | josh_ | Paul_The_Nerd: is certain stuff linked in there specially, or what? |
04:32:27 | josh_ | earHertz: I just asked :-) |
04:32:27 | sharpe | yes, hence, the phrase "hilarity ensues" fits well. |
04:32:30 | earHertz | er |
04:32:31 | josh_ | and it's SDRAM |
04:32:34 | josh_ | the IRAM is SRAM |
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04:32:47 | earHertz | yeah, hardware is not my forte |
04:32:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | josh_: You need to manually assign it to IRAM I believe. |
04:32:56 | josh_ | ah |
04:32:59 | josh_ | earHertz: are you doing that? |
04:33:14 | earHertz | No |
04:33:18 | josh_ | figured |
04:33:23 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: how do you do that? |
04:33:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, so, suggestions for a name for the Artists? |
04:33:33 | midkay | artists? |
04:33:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: No bloody clue, honestly. |
04:33:34 | S0ap | "Fingerpainter" |
04:33:34 | sharpe | Artist sounds fine. |
04:33:46 | josh_ | earHertz: IRAM is blazing fast and uncached, so putting stuff there tends to make it faster - frees up the cache for better purposes |
04:33:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wishes he had FTP access to the forums. |
04:34:16 | earHertz | frees up the cache for what, data? |
04:34:17 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, "artists"? |
04:34:29 | josh_ | earHertz: yep |
04:34:44 | josh_ | the ARM7TDMI doesn't have separate icache and dcache |
04:34:45 | baxmaniac | alright it works, one last question, can I access the playlists/songs from itunes in rockbox? |
04:34:47 | josh_ | just one unified cache |
04:34:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Artists was my suggestion, so I like it. :) |
04:34:57 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: what do we put in IRAM? |
04:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | baxmaniac: Songs yes, playlists no. |
04:35:01 | josh_ | which means loading a TON of data at once is a bad idea, since it tends to force instructions out |
04:35:04 | midkay | who gets it? what does it mean? |
04:35:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: It varies from codec to codec. |
04:35:06 | sharpe | i agreed that it was good... :\ |
04:35:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: WPS Designers, primarily. Themers and etc. |
04:35:18 | JdGordon | midkay: that "coder" part of the pic is almost unreadable for me.. can u change the colour ? |
04:35:25 | josh_ | e.g. I once actually got a speed increase by turning a 12x-unrolled loop into an 8x-unrolled one. |
04:35:26 | baxmaniac | alright thank you Paul_The_Nerd |
04:35:28 | midkay | JdGordon, i can make it a bit darker, sure.. |
04:35:33 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: what about the lcd functions? |
04:35:36 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah.. |
04:35:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I'm not sure it's strictly necessary, but I'm thinking about it. |
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04:35:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: earHertz suggested it. |
04:35:57 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i dunno how many themers frequent the forums, but it might be cool if there were several.. |
04:36:06 | midkay | if we've got like one user who's submitted one theme, though .... |
04:36:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: I really don't know. I'm not strong in a lot of parts of the code yet. In fact, I'm not even wholly sure who to ask about this one. |
04:36:20 | earHertz | josh_: actually, I did have some questions about your decisoons in some of the asembly... |
04:36:43 | josh_ | earHertz: ask away |
04:36:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: If it only went to people whose themes got included in CVS, it might actually encourage people to create valid themes. |
04:36:50 | midkay | JdGordon, http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6681/rockboxcoder27eb.gif |
04:36:55 | josh_ | earHertz: /msg me about it if you want, I don't know if they want us talking about it here |
04:36:59 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, perhaps, sure.. |
04:37:12 | JdGordon | thats a bit better :) |
04:37:24 | midkay | as in.. could be even better? :) |
04:37:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: At the very least, it's a way of saying "Thanks" to the few people who have done it. :) |
04:37:39 | earHertz | josh_: from what I've read on ARM assembly (not ARMYTDMI specific), a branch costs about three cycles because it has to reload teh cache? |
04:38:00 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, sure, i'm all for it - i'm just saying (wondering aloud, more like) how many we've actually got. |
04:38:26 | midkay | JdGordon, fix your monitor - that one's certainly darker than the two images we've already got for dev and expert. :) |
04:38:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, in terms of committed WPSes, not many. |
04:38:55 | JdGordon | could be :D |
04:38:58 | midkay | maybe a short page could explain rankings or something.. *shrugs* if only one or two people have it, most people won't really even notice it i bet, that's all. |
04:39:01 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders if he could convince Jeff to give him the ability to access the files for our forum. |
04:39:15 | sharpe | Probably somewhat easily... |
04:39:18 | josh_ | earHertz: it's officially listed as 1N+2S |
04:39:23 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, if you need support, let me know :) |
04:39:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Last time he had me email him the files. :) |
04:39:34 | josh_ | and yes, that's the cost |
04:39:35 | sharpe | maybe not then... |
04:39:39 | josh_ | ld is 1I+1S+1N |
04:39:47 | josh_ | st is 2N |
04:39:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
04:40:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way. |
04:40:05 | sharpe | tis worth a try. |
04:40:14 | josh_ | ldm is 1I+1S+nN, stm is (n-1)N+1S I think. |
04:40:23 | josh_ | N-cycles are about twice as long as I- and S-cycles |
04:40:27 | josh_ | I- and S- are about the same length |
04:40:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: When/if I introduce the two additional membergroups I'll post in the main forum explaining each of the groups and exactly what they mean, as well as conditions for entry into them. |
04:40:45 | midkay | you should ask him.. |
04:40:55 | midkay | that's very good. |
04:41:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I will ask him, because access to the forum's files will also allow me to install the security update it keeps reminding me about, as well as the mod that lets me set moderators of membergroups. |
04:41:43 | sharpe | why not the remaining group conditions and such, for those that wonder? |
04:41:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | The remaining group conditions? |
04:42:05 | sharpe | the already existing ones |
04:42:06 | midkay | how about.. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5484/rockboxartist8jv.gif |
04:42:34 | sharpe | midkay: what about... have something art-related on it... such as a pencil... :) |
04:42:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
04:42:45 | midkay | haha. |
04:42:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: The Jr Member, Sr Member, Hero Member stuff? |
04:42:48 | midkay | how about hell no. |
04:42:50 | midkay | :) |
04:42:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think keeping it just text is good. |
04:42:58 | midkay | no, developer and expert.. |
04:43:03 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: and the Expert and developer |
04:43:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think I'd prefer if the artists were single-color like the rest though |
04:43:14 | midkay | it's cute!!! |
04:43:14 | midkay | :) |
04:43:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Oh, I was including the Expert and Developer in "each of the groups" above. |
04:43:26 | sharpe | oh. right on then. |
04:43:28 | midkay | it's fruity. rainbowy. |
04:43:29 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: moderator of membergorups? so they can add/remove members form the gorup? |
04:43:34 | midkay | it's queer and delicious. |
04:43:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Specifically for Experts. I want to give an expert or two the ability to invite new experts as necessary, for example. |
04:44:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I'd just go with the color you used for the S |
04:44:56 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, ah. puke-crap brown. good choice. |
04:44:56 | midkay | :) |
04:45:03 | JdGordon | k |
04:45:36 | midkay | i'm looking at this violet-magenta and liking it.. hold on. |
04:45:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The I was brown, the S was purpleish |
04:46:03 | midkay | ah.. then we're on the same page. :) |
04:46:34 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8378/rockboxartist25fm.gif |
04:46:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like the badges so that people have some idea where their information is coming from. A general purpose coder definitely helps with that, and I think an Artist one will just y'know, be nice. |
04:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I think a *wee* bit more blue in that color would be nice in my book |
04:47:43 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i really like the badges concept too for the same reason - i hope you didn't think i felt otherwise? :) |
04:47:56 | sharpe | midkay: because you get to make them? |
04:47:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, I just felt the need to restate it. |
04:49:05 | midkay | sharpe: you're just so funny. my sides.. they ache! |
04:49:24 | sharpe | midkay: yes, that's what i'm here for... comical relief... |
04:49:36 | midkay | you mean comic relief? |
04:49:37 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4812/rockboxartist4so.gif |
04:49:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's the rainbow one again |
04:49:57 | midkay | what. |
04:50:02 | midkay | gaaah. |
04:50:04 | sharpe | indeed. |
04:50:17 | midkay | here. http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/5463/rockboxartist30vg.gif |
04:50:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | That looks better to me. |
04:51:10 | midkay | good. |
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05:05:24 | midkay | request access! |
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05:06:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I did |
05:07:36 | midkay | yay. |
05:08:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe that'll also allow me to allow people to be older than 37 years old |
05:09:48 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: the forum has an age limit? |
05:09:59 | midkay | haha. |
05:10:00 | midkay | wtf. |
05:10:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: You can't set a date earlier than... umm... I can't remember right now. |
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05:10:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | 12/31/1969 |
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05:16:40 | earHertz | crap, I'm oldr than 12/31/69 |
05:16:51 | midkay | haha. |
05:16:55 | midkay | not like you cared to fill in your age! |
05:16:55 | sharpe | old man. |
05:17:08 | sharpe | :) |
05:17:40 | earHertz | that's why I didn';t care to |
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05:17:45 | Vaco_Animus | ok two quick questions |
05:18:40 | midkay | ....? |
05:18:51 | Vaco_Animus | 1) if i removed all the rockbox files and then installed ipod linux, if i uninstalled ipod linux at a later time could i just put the rockbox files back on and it would go to normal? |
05:19:12 | Vaco_Animus | 2)does anyone here use ipod wizard? |
05:20:20 | midkay | ipodwizard's homepage has a popular forum. |
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05:20:58 | Vaco_Animus | ok |
05:21:02 | midkay | and that doesn't make any sense, "go back to normal". you don't just "put rockbox files on" or "put ipodlinux files on" and your ipod magically sets itself up to use them.. |
05:21:12 | Vaco_Animus | ok |
05:21:24 | earHertz | ipod wizard? is that like ipod for the KKK? |
05:21:35 | Vaco_Animus | well i was asking if i removed them would i have to go through all the steps again |
05:21:49 | Vaco_Animus | or could i just put them back on |
05:21:54 | midkay | you'll probably end up installing iPL's bootloader, then you'll either choose to keep it or reinstall ours.. |
05:22:39 | sharpe | midkay: do you still use that one that's customizable? :) |
05:22:52 | Vaco_Animus | thats what im asking, if i decide i dont like ipl then could i just move the rockbox files back on and it would be ready to go |
05:22:55 | midkay | sharpe, well, i haven't got around to uninstalling it yet! |
05:23:05 | sharpe | oh, of course. |
05:23:10 | sharpe | what was i thinking... |
05:23:11 | midkay | Vaco_Animus, *depending on what bootloader you choose*. |
05:23:18 | sharpe | someone would ever actually like my work |
05:23:25 | Vaco_Animus | 5g |
05:23:25 | sharpe | silly me. |
05:23:30 | midkay | "5g"? |
05:23:36 | Vaco_Animus | ipod 5g |
05:23:42 | midkay | iPL has a bootloader, we have a bootloade.r |
05:23:46 | midkay | an ipod 5G is not a bootloader. |
05:24:00 | midkay | sharpe, nah, course not.. you went with 'wpz' so that really sucked and everybody hated it.. |
05:24:01 | sharpe | we also have a special customizable bootloader |
05:24:07 | midkay | you broke spinv so nobody cares about it.. |
05:24:10 | sharpe | that only two people have.. |
05:24:18 | midkay | and you gave up on c64emu so nobody likes it. |
05:24:47 | Vaco_Animus | well if i took of ipl and put back the files from rockbox would i have to go through the install steps for rockbox again |
05:25:04 | Vaco_Animus | or would it work again if i just placed the files that i have on it now |
05:25:09 | sharpe | i never broke spinv. it was broken from the beginning. :) |
05:25:14 | midkay | haha. |
05:25:33 | midkay | Vaco_Animus, that's not really a valid question, since installing iPL will probably have you putting on their bootloader. |
05:25:48 | midkay | if you want iPL, go ask them for help, and if you want rockbox back, come back and tell us your situation and/or read the docs. |
05:28:18 | sharpe | that's right. throwdown midkay. |
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05:28:33 | Vaco_Animus | IF I REMOVED THERE BOOTLOADER AND THERE FILES WOULD I HAVE TO REINSTALL ROCKBOX |
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05:28:51 | midkay | "their", stop shouting, and i've already told you, it's not a valid question. |
05:29:00 | midkay | "coming off as an asshole" indeed. |
05:29:13 | midkay | alright, you want an answer. "yes". |
05:29:21 | Vaco_Animus | thank you |
05:29:24 | midkay | you have to "reinstall" rockbox once you "removed there bootloader". |
05:29:31 | midkay | that makes complete and total sense. |
05:29:39 | midkay | and i can answer that with a very simple "yes". |
05:30:18 | Vaco_Animus | im saying i go onto the drive cut out the rockbox files and paste them back in at a later time |
05:30:31 | midkay | just reinstall a daily build. |
05:30:38 | midkay | but that's not all of what rockbox is, some files on the disk. |
05:30:53 | midkay | just forget it, if you need specific help later, come back or don't. or just don't install iPL. |
05:31:14 | Vaco_Animus | ah fuck it its not worth all the hastle of explaining this |
05:31:25 | Vaco_Animus | do you work at radio shack midkay |
05:31:35 | midkay | yeah, how'd you know. |
05:31:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well if you just used more used the appropriate nouns for what you are referring to, and pay attention to the terms instead of calling iPods bootloaders, you might get more understandable help. |
05:32:05 | midkay | don't even bother with this guy.. *sighs* |
05:32:07 | Vaco_Animus | because you act exactly like a radioshack employee |
05:32:17 | Vaco_Animus | he asked what bootloader im using |
05:32:17 | midkay | and he actually expects comprehensive help. |
05:32:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you install using ipod_fw and ipodpatcher? |
05:32:25 | Vaco_Animus | im using the one for the 5g |
05:32:30 | Vaco_Animus | the one you told me to use |
05:32:35 | Vaco_Animus | yes |
05:32:38 | Vaco_Animus | i have rockbox on |
05:32:40 | Vaco_Animus | i like it |
05:32:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then you're using the Rockbox bootloader |
05:32:52 | Vaco_Animus | but i want to see the dif between ipl and it |
05:33:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iPodLinux bootloader can also load Rockbox, so in a question involving both, it is a valid question to ask whether you're using theirs or ours. |
05:33:35 | Vaco_Animus | i was asking if i took it of my pod by cutting it trying ipl outt and removing ipl, could i just paste all my rockbox files back on and it would work |
05:33:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | In all honestly, your best bet for installing iPodLinux is to completely uninstall Rockbox (ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin) first. |
05:33:48 | Vaco_Animus | or would i have to go back through and install it |
05:33:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | You have to go back through. |
05:33:59 | Vaco_Animus | ok |
05:34:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | And oddly enough, that's the easy method. |
05:34:05 | midkay | you can't just "cut" rockbox. nor once it's uninstalled "paste" it. |
05:34:10 | Vaco_Animus | thats what i wanted to do |
05:34:27 | Vaco_Animus | what is the difference between ipl and rockbox |
05:34:56 | midkay | haha. |
05:34:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Go read their site and feature list, then read ours. |
05:35:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | One is an operating system, the other is a music player firmware. |
05:35:31 | Vaco_Animus | can you tell me if theres is more graphically appeasing then rockbox |
05:35:40 | midkay | hahaha. |
05:36:08 | midkay | it looks nice but it doesn't do much as far as actually using a DAP as a DAP instead of a game/demo machine. sounds perfect for you. |
05:36:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | The menus can look better than ours. |
05:36:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, you probably would prefer iPL |
05:36:53 | Vaco_Animus | ok does it shut down like rockbox so i can boot up in apple firmware |
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05:37:43 | buzzard | hi all |
05:37:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Vaco_Animus: It's NOT OUR SOFTWARE. Why do you expect us to know all about it? |
05:38:05 | Vaco_Animus | because you guys have all been curious |
05:38:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try #ipodlinux for questions regarding it. |
05:38:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many of us have never installed it. Ever. |
05:38:56 | midkay | we aren't curious as to how "cool" our ipods can look visually or how many games we can stuff on it. |
05:39:09 | buzzard | guys i have a question i had installed the custome rockbox pack and when i try to play mp3's it gives me an error stating codec error |
05:39:13 | midkay | we want something that works and works well for what the DAP was designed for. music playback. |
05:39:30 | midkay | get a gameboy or something. sheesh. |
05:39:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | buzzard: Being a "custom" build, you need to ask whoever made it. It's unofficial |
05:39:50 | buzzard | ahh i see thanks |
05:41:18 | buzzard | dam it |
05:41:28 | buzzard | ryran made this patchand hes not on |
05:41:37 | buzzard | i mean this custome build |
05:41:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, you've already posted in the forums. |
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05:41:58 | buzzard | yea i did |
05:41:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just have patience, or reinstall an official version. |
05:42:18 | buzzard | yea i reinstalled the latest bleeding edge on |
05:42:24 | sharpe | what's that quote... (or proverb?) "Patience is a virtue." |
05:42:31 | buzzard | yea |
05:42:36 | buzzard | that correct sharpe |
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05:42:52 | buzzard | i have another question |
05:43:08 | buzzard | umm i have pacbox in my plugins menu |
05:43:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Go ahead |
05:43:17 | buzzard | but when i trying playing it dosn't laod up |
05:43:31 | buzzard | whats going on with that |
05:43:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:6lGxbrsAuNEJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox+PluginPacbox&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
05:44:30 | buzzard | thanks paul |
05:44:44 | buzzard | its says something about mame on that page |
05:44:51 | buzzard | is the rock box able to play mame also |
05:44:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
05:45:02 | buzzard | ahh i see |
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05:45:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Pacbox just requires the same Roms as MAME does for playing Pacman. |
05:46:27 | buzzard | ohh i see |
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05:56:39 | buzzard | hey i wanted to know can rockbox read pdf files |
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05:56:48 | sharpe | buzzard: nope. |
05:56:58 | buzzard | ohh i see |
05:57:15 | buzzard | will this be something that will be implemented |
05:57:22 | buzzard | in the future |
05:57:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | If someone does it. |
05:57:51 | sharpe | not unless someone takes it upon themself to do so |
05:58:06 | buzzard | casue its very useful sometimes i like to read magaines on the go |
05:58:13 | buzzard | and i would like to put it in my ipod |
05:58:16 | buzzard | so i can read it |
05:58:26 | buzzard | but it dosn't support pdf |
05:58:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, as has been said, if someone does it, it'll happen. |
05:58:39 | buzzard | ic |
05:58:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are plenty of core things to be worked on, so odds are someone external would have to do it. |
05:59:32 | buzzard | yea i know there alot of stuff but people who realeas stuff on there own means there making a patch and that means compiling |
05:59:40 | buzzard | i have alot of trouble with it |
05:59:54 | buzzard | i mad a whole big topic |
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06:00:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well when the feature freeze ends, a lot of those patches will start to get included in the main build again. |
06:00:51 | buzzard | when will the rockbox finish it fxing |
06:00:56 | buzzard | fixing |
06:01:04 | sharpe | when it does |
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06:01:37 | buzzard | when will they release the offical release with gold the bugfixes fixed |
06:01:39 | buzzard | do you know |
06:01:46 | buzzard | i read sometime in nov |
06:01:55 | sharpe | when it's finished, really... |
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06:02:31 | buzzard | alright iam out see ya guys |
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06:17:46 | sharpe | eh |
06:17:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | oh |
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06:20:15 | Vaco_Animus | does anyone know how to change a theme on ipod wizard |
06:20:23 | Vaco_Animus | i dont get the tutoriAL |
06:20:57 | Vaco_Animus | anyone |
06:21:03 | sharpe | there is a ipodwizard irc channel... on another network... |
06:21:03 | Vaco_Animus | im using images |
06:21:20 | Vaco_Animus | were i couldn't find the address |
06:21:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Vaco_Animus: Please, this is the Rockbox channel. |
06:21:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's not even an iPod-only channel. Its a Rockbox-only channel |
06:21:44 | Vaco_Animus | well i know a few people on this channel are members of that community |
06:22:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Just because people in an office building also play baseball, doesn't mean you should walk into their offices and start asking about the rules of the sport. |
06:22:35 | Vaco_Animus | why not |
06:22:41 | Vaco_Animus | thats being friendly |
06:22:48 | Vaco_Animus | you have similar interests |
06:23:04 | Vaco_Animus | if i knew the irc channel name id go |
06:23:53 | Jungti1234 | hehehe |
06:24:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Vaco_Animus: Why don't you ask in, say, the ipodwizard forums? |
06:24:21 | Jungti1234 | hahahahaha...... |
06:24:23 | Jungti1234 | funny |
06:24:40 | Vaco_Animus | because i don't want to make a login if they have an irc channel |
06:25:33 | midkay | they don't. |
06:25:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yet instead of trying to use google or some other method, you ask in an inappropriate channel. |
06:25:38 | midkay | so sign up and quit asking. |
06:25:55 | Vaco_Animus | why |
06:26:06 | midkay | "why"?.. this is not #ipodwizard. |
06:26:11 | midkay | most of us haven't even touched it or heard of it. |
06:26:18 | Vaco_Animus | jesus why are you guys so self cenetred |
06:26:25 | midkay | this channel isn't even ipod-specific, let alone related to ipodwizard. |
06:26:25 | Vaco_Animus | midkay i know your a memeber there |
06:26:42 | midkay | yes, i am. i'm not willing to help, nor is anyone here. so register and ask. |
06:26:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | How is it being self centered to actually *respect* a channel topic? |
06:26:42 | Vaco_Animus | which means you must have tried the program |
06:26:47 | Jungti1234 | stop |
06:26:51 | Vaco_Animus | well lest see |
06:26:57 | Vaco_Animus | no one was talking |
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06:27:05 | Vaco_Animus | so i asked a question |
06:27:13 | Vaco_Animus | then you guys all snap out of your comas |
06:27:22 | Vaco_Animus | just to yell |
06:27:26 | midkay | and attack the idiot. yes. |
06:27:29 | Jungti1234 | Useless. |
06:27:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because we're here to help with Rockbox related issues. |
06:27:38 | Vaco_Animus | no you dont |
06:27:55 | Vaco_Animus | you guys just yell then to and say read the manual if you have the answers |
06:27:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | There are several HUNDRED people who would disagree with that statement. |
06:28:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that's just people I personally have helped. |
06:28:09 | midkay | i wish we could get Paul_The_Nerd channel ops or something. |
06:28:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Here's the trick. We help people who demonstrate that they've attempted to help themselves. |
06:28:33 | Vaco_Animus | i wish you guys could help people |
06:28:40 | Jungti1234 | Have composure of mind. |
06:28:50 | Vaco_Animus | ive spent countless hours trying to fix it myself |
06:28:57 | Vaco_Animus | and you guys dont help |
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06:29:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | This means that they've followed the instructions, and have picked up the terms from them, so that they can ask clear and concise questions such as "I've tried installing, but ipodpatcher.exe tells me that the firmware is too large for the bootpartition." Several proper nouns, and a clear stating of the problem telling us where they're actually having problems. |
06:29:07 | Jungti1234 | There is no reason to get angry to him. |
06:29:16 | Jungti1234 | Ignore. |
06:29:16 | midkay | Vaco_Animus, well, you're honestly very clueless. |
06:29:19 | Vaco_Animus | or when you do you act like im asking you for a liver instead of a yes or no answer |
06:29:28 | Vaco_Animus | why do you think im asking? |
06:29:33 | Vaco_Animus | io know nothing of ipods |
06:29:38 | Vaco_Animus | and i needed help |
06:29:52 | midkay | Vaco_Animus, and the funny thing is that when you do get your question answered you get all upset over the wording or suggestion.. |
06:29:52 | Jungti1234 | Strange guys... |
06:30:24 | Vaco_Animus | because you expect concise questions but you cant return concise answers |
06:31:06 | midkay | you asked a question, got an answer and a suggestion, and got pissed because you were offered such a suggestion.. several times. just in case you're wondering why nobody likes or wants to help you. |
06:31:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Vaco_Animus: You also have typed in all caps, and repeated questions more than once even when someone has attempted to help you. |
06:32:41 | Vaco_Animus | who has attempted |
06:32:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not this question |
06:32:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because you're asking in the wrong place. |
06:33:00 | Vaco_Animus | you all get frustrated when i try to ask a question because i dont understand |
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06:33:14 | Vaco_Animus | then you phrase it in a way a common man can't understand |
06:33:19 | Vaco_Animus | so i get even more lost |
06:33:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's phrased in a way you don't understand, then ask about whatever part you didn't get, and state clearly why you didn't understand it. |
06:34:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | We don't intentionally phrase answers to be cryptic. We state them in the way we feel is the best way to state them. |
06:34:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | And in fact, on average, people understand what we say to them. |
06:34:19 | midkay | and not like "JUST TELL ME THE ANSWER ALREADY". |
06:35:32 | Vaco_Animus | the only time i type in caps is when you are telling me stuff i don't know and i am saying it in that manner so that maybe you will get the point of what im trying to make |
06:35:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Just tell me the answer already" is very different from "I don't understand what you mean by that." |
06:35:56 | midkay | caps just makes people dislike you (even more than they already do) and not want to help. |
06:36:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Just tell me the answer already" means that you think you haven't been given it. |
06:36:14 | midkay | bbiab.. |
06:36:32 | Vaco_Animus | i never said just tell me the answer already |
06:37:16 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. |
06:37:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't been here for all of it, so I wouldn't know. |
06:37:24 | Jungti1234 | hmm |
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06:37:28 | Jungti1234 | stop Paul :) |
06:37:46 | Vaco_Animus | well you are putting words in my mouth |
06:39:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | What you have specifically done is re-asked the same question in all caps when someone was already trying to answer it. |
06:39:40 | Vaco_Animus | who was trying to answer honestly |
06:39:48 | Vaco_Animus | you say read it yourself |
06:39:56 | Vaco_Animus | when it is a yes or no question |
06:40:04 | Vaco_Animus | and someone knows the answer to |
06:40:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Midkay tried to answer you honestly regarding the bootloader, but first he had to ask you some questions because you were using terms incorrectly so he didn't know what you meant |
06:40:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Instead of taking it as an attempt to answer, you got offended, and yelled the question again. |
06:41:00 | Vaco_Animus | and i thought for the bootloader he meant for which ipod |
06:41:09 | Vaco_Animus | and he taunted me for it after that |
06:41:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, he said the 5G is not a bootloader. |
06:41:23 | Vaco_Animus | so i got mad because all im trying to do is learn |
06:41:25 | Vaco_Animus | bull |
06:41:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which should rather clearly tell you that's not what he was asking. |
06:42:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Vaco_Animus: He specifically said "an ipod 5G is not a bootloader." as well as telling you that iPL has a bootloader and we have a bootloader so you'd know what distinction he was making |
06:42:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm reading the log right now. |
06:42:19 | Vaco_Animus | well i left the chat but he said a comment about how i couldnt understand because im a guy who thinks 5g is not a bootloader |
06:42:47 | Vaco_Animus | is* |
06:44:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm not spotting him saying the word "Understand" at all. |
06:44:32 | Vaco_Animus | its not a direct quote |
06:44:37 | Vaco_Animus | but it was around that |
06:45:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't really see anything similar to that. |
06:45:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | He doesn't say anywhere that you couldn't understand, or anything very similar to it at all. |
06:46:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I would suggest in the future that you try to assume the best of people trying to help you, and even if they do seem impolite, don't get offended, as if they are honestly trying to help, and you start being a jerk, they'll return the attitude. |
06:47:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Many people here assume at least some decent level of technical proficiency simply because you're installing an alternative firmware on an MP3 player. |
06:47:34 | Vaco_Animus | to be honest the only decent person here is linux |
06:47:43 | Vaco_Animus | or who at least shows it |
06:47:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | I tried to help you with the CVS issue as well |
06:48:15 | Vaco_Animus | yah but you gave up |
06:48:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because I didn't have any more ideas. |
06:48:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Am I supposed to lie and make stuff up? |
06:48:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you fault someone for saying "I can't fix it" then 6 billion people are also at fault for not helping you with your CVS issues. |
06:49:05 | Vaco_Animus | well im not saying you were wrong for helping but linux researched it while helping me |
06:49:15 | Vaco_Animus | and understood that i didnt understand |
06:50:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, here are some things you need to understand: |
06:50:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | 1) People will try to help you, but in most cases the answers will start technical. Say "I don't understand what you're trying to explain" rather than repeating the question. |
06:51:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | 2) If people ask you questions, no matter how they're phrased, it's best to assume that they merely have poor social skills, and are just trying to find out more about your problem, not making fun of you for not knowing how to ask a question. |
06:51:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | 3) Ask questions in the appropriate place. This means not coming to the #rockbox channel to ask about software that we do not make or support. |
06:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Trying as hard as possible to ask clear questions that _show_ you've tried to do the work yourself first, and asking the questions in the right place, are considered nearly essential etiquette in open source projects. |
06:52:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact, while midkay was less than polite with you, in some place you'll get a much worse reception than even here. |
06:53:36 | MrStaticVoid | reminds me of http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
06:54:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | MrStaticVoid: That link is in my forum signature, actually. :) |
06:55:07 | MrStaticVoid | oh, i havent noticed |
06:55:18 | MrStaticVoid | it should be the topic :-D |
06:55:19 | Jungti1234 | hm |
06:55:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think many people in the forums have. Hehehe |
06:56:02 | Jungti1234 | my way of thinking is different from you..... Also.. |
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07:00:00 | joshua_ | MrStaticVoid, the other neat thing is (loading; I wish firefox would give me the bookmark while it was loading...) |
07:00:04 | joshua_ | http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=143 |
07:01:10 | joshua_ | hmm, so my ipod has been sitting connected to the PC for power, sitting in hold mode for the past couple hours |
07:01:15 | joshua_ | (paused, untouched) |
07:01:26 | joshua_ | yet, it didn't go into sleep mode.. idle poweroff is set for 10m, though. |
07:01:33 | joshua_ | battery appears not to have charged any, either. |
07:02:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which ipod have ye? |
07:03:17 | joshua_ | Photo |
07:03:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
07:04:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now the iPods only draw I believe 100mah from USB while in Rockbox, so some of them don't charge. |
07:04:44 | joshua_ | ah |
07:04:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It also won't ever go into sleep mode while charging, I believe. Which is actually a good thing, because if it did, it'd immediately reboot into either disk mode, or if hooked up to a wall charger, continual rebooting |
07:05:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | My Nano charges fine. |
07:05:08 | joshua_ | yeah, I get continual rebooting with a wall charger if I plug it in without holding menu. |
07:05:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | The real best way to charge is to load the AppleOS |
07:05:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not even disk mode. |
07:05:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the real Apple OS |
07:06:00 | joshua_ | I tried to compile a rockbox that didn't require me to hold menu, but the .got section evidently overlapped .text, according to the linker |
07:06:04 | joshua_ | hmm, how do I boot the apple OS? |
07:06:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Shut down the iPod. Turn it on by pressing the Menu button, and continue holding it until you see "Loading Original Firmware..." |
07:06:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try not to wiggle your finger and trigger scrolls. |
07:07:11 | joshua_ | looking for shut down... |
07:07:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold Play/Pause... |
07:07:39 | joshua_ | I see |
07:07:43 | joshua_ | thanks |
07:08:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | No problem |
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07:09:04 | * | joshua_ drops it on the charger |
07:09:49 | joshua_ | is there any code profiling support in rockbox? the UI seems a little laggy to me; I'd like to try to track that down |
07:10:16 | JdGordon | yes, iirc there is |
07:10:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe there is, yes. |
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07:10:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know any more than that though |
07:10:42 | joshua_ | I guess I'll wait for the wiki to come back on that one. |
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07:10:59 | joshua_ | I think right now, actually, I'm just going to go to sleep :) |
07:11:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know for sure, but it may only exist as a patch |
07:11:07 | joshua_ | hmmm |
07:11:22 | JdGordon | no im pretty sure its a configure option.. so its there |
07:11:26 | JdGordon | no idea how to use it tho |
07:11:33 | joshua_ | does the UI run as a thread that can be ripped out like other segments (just compiled in)? |
07:11:59 | JdGordon | i tinhk so |
07:12:19 | joshua_ | hmmm |
07:12:34 | joshua_ | lots of interesting metrics to be taken to increase performance. |
07:12:44 | joshua_ | I wonder if the display has anything wacky like double-buffering to reduce tearing. |
07:13:06 | joshua_ | oh well. really got to sleep. |
07:13:10 | joshua_ | hack on it more tomorrow night. |
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07:51:55 | midkay | gosh, Paul_The_Nerd. :) |
07:56:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Que? |
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07:57:11 | Harry | hello |
07:57:23 | Harry | i uninstalled rockbox |
07:57:33 | Harry | i didnt like it that much |
07:57:42 | Harry | the themes look sick |
07:57:57 | Harry | but i like to mange my music easly |
07:58:03 | |apo| | So? |
07:58:15 | Harry | for a future request i would like |
07:58:23 | Harry | itunes support |
07:58:38 | Harry | lapol |
07:58:40 | |apo| | Haha |
07:58:42 | Harry | ? |
07:59:13 | Harry | wats funny |
07:59:17 | |apo| | I'm using rockbox to get away from iTunes, because it's a horrible software |
07:59:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | iTunes support? |
07:59:25 | Harry | ... |
07:59:35 | Harry | wats wrong with itunes |
07:59:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Filetree is pretty darn easy to handle. |
07:59:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, TagCache can index your iTunes music |
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08:00:07 | Harry | but it does organize it like itunes |
08:00:10 | Harry | does it |
08:00:15 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, just.. your incredible patience with which you assist some people.. :) |
08:00:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | What do you even mean by "organize it like iTunes?" |
08:00:30 | Harry | like |
08:00:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | iTunes doesn't run on your iPod anyway, so the music on your iPod isn't organized like iTunes either |
08:00:37 | Harry | drag and drop |
08:00:46 | Harry | easy to make playlist |
08:01:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can make playlists on the player itself, very easily. |
08:01:11 | |apo| | And even name them |
08:01:15 | Harry | wat tagcache |
08:01:16 | |apo| | Not on the go 1232134 |
08:01:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | As well, it supports M3U playlists, which nearly every music program supports. |
08:01:31 | Harry | paul hmm |
08:01:35 | Jungti1234 | uh |
08:01:36 | midkay | it's too bad he gave you no credit for the long time you spent trying to help him yesterday or so.. |
08:01:41 | Jungti1234 | :) |
08:01:51 | Harry | long time |
08:01:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I get no credit because I couldn't *solve* the problem. The effort doesn't count unless it concludes with a solution. |
08:01:56 | Harry | lmfao |
08:02:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: He's not talking about you. |
08:02:18 | Harry | oo |
08:02:21 | midkay | Harry, no, sorry, not you. |
08:02:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: Anyway, if you don't like Rockbox, don't use it, but iTunes support is very unlikely. There's really no reason for it. |
08:02:36 | Harry | paul ill try it again |
08:02:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | As it is, TagCache can show your songs in Artist/Album/Genre view anyway. |
08:02:47 | Harry | wats tagcache |
08:03:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+site:www.rockbox.org+tagcache&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a |
08:03:10 | Harry | and how do i shut off ipod |
08:03:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hold Play/Pause |
08:03:32 | Harry | but that puts into sleep |
08:03:41 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, i suppose.. also as to my "less than polite" behavior (thanks for the not-so-harsh way of putting it) - he's talked to me over AIM several times in the past week or more, asking for the most obvious Doom/pacbox questions that are all in the wiki and stuff like that.. |
08:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, in Rockbox it shuts it off. |
08:04:07 | Harry | rockbox it does |
08:04:14 | Harry | but no apple os |
08:04:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: Well, this is the *Rockbox* channel |
08:04:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | So if you don't specify that you're in AppleOS we kinda assume you're in Rockbox |
08:04:26 | Harry | ... |
08:04:35 | Harry | lol |
08:04:37 | Harry | srry |
08:04:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | AppleOS doesn't feature shutting down. |
08:04:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | The closest you've got is holding Menu+Select to reboot. |
08:05:51 | Harry | hmm |
08:05:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: In his small defense, the wiki was down recently, but I really don't see anything wrong with his behaviour. You seemed (from my perspective) to try at first, and then lose patience with him. At least you tried. |
08:06:24 | Harry | paul |
08:06:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes Harry? |
08:06:41 | Harry | how do i install ipl loader |
08:06:45 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, when he asked me about all that, the wiki was still up.. it was days before.. |
08:06:52 | Harry | since its better |
08:07:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: 1) I don't think it's better. 2) Ask that in #ipodlinux |
08:07:10 | Harry | k |
08:07:19 | agne | Paul_The_Nerd: how do you search for cached websits :D |
08:07:54 | Harry | paul is ipl anygood have u tried it |
08:07:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | agne: Search for the website as normal (go to google, type site:www.rockbox.org keyword), then just click the "cached" link under the one you want. |
08:08:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Harry: It's not very good for music playing at all. |
08:08:19 | Harry | does it play video |
08:09:02 | Harry | paul is #ipod linux on same server |
08:10:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It plays uncompressed video. |
08:10:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | And #ipodlinux should be, yes. |
08:10:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup, it's there. Just peeked in. |
08:11:45 | Harry | paul |
08:11:48 | Harry | kick me |
08:12:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | ? |
08:12:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kick you? |
08:15:09 | Jungti1234 | ;;; |
08:15:55 | markun | Jungti1234: korean language file is updated |
08:16:09 | Jungti1234 | Confirmed. |
08:16:12 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why it's so common that people assumes he can do stuff like that. |
08:16:13 | Jungti1234 | thanks. :) |
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08:18:45 | neighbors | Hi, would anybody be willing to /msg me some short instructions on getting rockbox working on an iaudio X5? The online documentation is missing the bootloader section for the X5 |
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08:19:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | neighbors: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:ac_cBAKQ5MwJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot+site:www.rockbox.org+iaudioboot&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
08:20:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | The files that go with it can be found at the mirror listed in the channel topic |
08:20:21 | neighbors | Paul_The_Nerd: thanks |
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08:29:15 | amiconn | Slasheri: I don't think the fix you committed is a clean solution. Something causes tc.dirlevel to loose track, which needs to be found & fixed. |
08:39:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: yep, i also think this as a temporary solution |
08:39:52 | Slasheri | i think adding the virtual dir support and redesigning the tagcache browsing code might fix that |
08:41:43 | amiconn | Hmm. A comment would be helpful for later |
08:42:42 | JdGordon | :) u added my band-aid fix |
08:43:16 | amiconn | I think the tagcache browsing code looses track of tc.dirlevel under the observed conditions, i.e. when tagcache isn't initialised |
08:44:47 | amiconn | The virtual dir won't happen too soon because it has some implementation implications. The multivolume virtual dirs are handled at the filesystem level, so the question remains how to hook a tagcache virtual dir as tagcache is application level |
08:46:06 | amiconn | Otoh, if we find a solution, the tagcache virtual dir will probably solve the problem with tagcache and playlists - tagcache will behave like a virtual file system |
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08:49:09 | neighbors | Is there a place that shows the current status and implemented features of the iaudio rockbox? |
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08:56:45 | LinusN | neighbors: yes, in the (currently down) wiki |
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08:56:58 | neighbors | Ah |
08:57:15 | neighbors | My iaudio main menu looks nothing like that in the manual, for one, I have no themes menu |
08:57:26 | neighbors | So I was going to see if maybe themes were not implemented yet for the iaudio |
08:58:54 | LinusN | yes they are |
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09:12:23 | spiral8 | neeed help !!??? |
09:12:41 | midkay | no you don't. |
09:12:56 | spiral8 | can i install voice files in iPod video ? |
09:13:05 | spiral8 | ya i really want |
09:13:06 | midkay | sure. |
09:13:18 | spiral8 | i've downloaded voice file .. |
09:13:34 | spiral8 | bt whr to install tht file .. i mean i dont kno wht to do with it ? |
09:16:41 | * | spiral8 slaps midkay around a bit with a large trout |
09:16:53 | midkay | i shut up because i'm not sure. |
09:17:17 | spiral8 | ohhh den it fine :P |
09:17:45 | spiral8 | anyways ... i'll work around to do tht ... or else will come back here again ! |
09:18:13 | midkay | i think /.rockbox/lang or langs.. |
09:18:16 | midkay | or /.rockbox/voice. |
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09:22:50 | spiral8 | k i'll give a try thanx man |
09:23:00 | midkay | np. |
09:25:14 | petur | er... in the lang folder |
09:25:45 | ravon | What's the URL for the X5 bootloader? The wiki seems to be screwed up atm. |
09:25:49 | petur | and then enable voice in the settings |
09:26:02 | petur | ravon: see channel topic |
09:26:06 | ravon | ooops |
09:26:08 | ravon | thanks :D |
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09:34:13 | ravon | When is the boost ratio considered "bad"? |
09:34:27 | ravon | ie, when is it draining too many cycles? |
09:34:45 | petur | when it goes near 100%? |
09:34:55 | petur | lower = better |
09:35:06 | ravon | Hmmm, is 60-70% acceptable? |
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09:36:32 | petur | 60-70% says 'please optimize me' ;) |
09:36:50 | ravon | :D |
09:37:12 | ravon | damn, and this is still only in 8bit 22KHz :/ |
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09:41:36 | spiral8 | hey petur ... thnx i''lll du tht now |
09:41:38 | spiral8 | ;) |
09:42:20 | JdGordon | fucking uni marks! |
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10:47:39 | Loeckchen | hiho |
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10:56:35 | apikoros | i just changed my gf's ipod mini to rockbox, she's going to kill me |
10:56:54 | Loeckchen | does it run? |
10:57:18 | Loeckchen | btw: has anyone managed to install a recent amarok (1.4) on mac osx without using X? |
10:57:29 | apikoros | well, it boots −− i haven't played anything yet −− transferring some music atm |
10:57:30 | Loeckchen | i'm currently doing the fink approach but this one requires X11 |
10:58:03 | Loeckchen | but i need a recent xcode, still have 2.0 installed - and the fink version of amarok needs at least xcode 2.2 to compile |
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11:00:20 | linuxstb | earHertz: I've been reading your lcd_update discussions (ipod video). Yes, the Rockbox lcd_update_rect() function is in IRAM - this is done with the ICODE_ATTR macro which tells the linker to put the code in the .icode section. The startup code in crt0.S will then copy it IRAM when Rockbox is started. |
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11:00:59 | linuxstb | If you want to do the same with hotdog's ASM function, you need to specify ".section .icode" in the .S file |
11:01:10 | linuxstb | (see the files in firmware/common/ for examples) |
11:01:27 | Jungti1234 | anyone have fwpatcher? |
11:01:52 | Loeckchen | look at the topic |
11:02:05 | Loeckchen | you can get it from http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki |
11:02:22 | Jungti1234 | haha.. sorry |
11:03:13 | Loeckchen | there are directories with the names of the appropriate wiki entries |
11:03:21 | Loeckchen | and under these directories the files can be found |
11:04:16 | Jungti1234 | yep |
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11:04:21 | Jungti1234 | thanks |
11:05:17 | Loeckchen | i am currently installing win2k in a vmware on my server box |
11:05:23 | Loeckchen | so i can reformat my 4G with fat32 |
11:05:45 | Loeckchen | it currently has hfs on it |
11:06:24 | Jungti1234 | Could not open patched firmware for checksum check |
11:06:26 | apikoros | there's sound! :) |
11:06:36 | apikoros | Loeckchen, OS X does not support fat32?! |
11:06:38 | Jungti1234 | bug? |
11:07:08 | _FireFly_ | apikoros: that's not true |
11:07:25 | Loeckchen | it supports fat32 |
11:07:28 | _FireFly_ | OS X can read from and write to fat32 disks |
11:07:41 | Loeckchen | but it can't convert an ipod to fat32 |
11:07:48 | _FireFly_ | but i don't know if you can format a disk with fat32 under Mac OS X |
11:08:04 | apikoros | there's no implementation of mkdosfs? |
11:08:10 | apikoros | it should compile under darwin |
11:09:33 | Loeckchen | you can |
11:09:41 | Loeckchen | i'll now try to convert my ipod to fat32 |
11:09:50 | apikoros | wah, the various clickwheel buttons behave differently |
11:10:05 | apikoros | Loeckchen, did you just google it? |
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11:11:27 | Loeckchen | i am currently vierwing the wiki page on this topic from the google cache |
11:11:58 | apikoros | ah, there's no way my gf will go for this, buttons behave too differently than what she's used to |
11:12:10 | apikoros | i'll have to keep rockbox on my iriver and stupid apple firmware on her ipod |
11:12:31 | apikoros | i get nausous just looking at its retarded directory structure |
11:12:34 | Loeckchen | i want to try rockbox because it supports ogg |
11:12:50 | apikoros | Loeckchen, rockbox is better |
11:12:57 | apikoros | my gf just won't have the patience to learn a new interface |
11:13:07 | Loeckchen | but unfortunately you can't sync with itunes |
11:13:09 | apikoros | but yah, it supports flac, ogg, wav, mp3, etc. |
11:13:36 | apikoros | you can just sync it with your music dir |
11:13:39 | Loeckchen | i have grown attached to itunes so i want to try to get amarok running on osx |
11:13:50 | apikoros | iTunes is bloated garbage IMO |
11:13:56 | apikoros | but to each his own |
11:13:58 | Loeckchen | yeah, just use a cp -Ru ^^ |
11:14:13 | Loeckchen | my 4G is 40gb big and my collection has some 30gb |
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11:18:32 | Loeckchen | my 4g is currently being reformatted with fat32 |
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11:42:38 | Loeckchen | my ipod doesn't mount |
11:42:44 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/2619 can be closed ye? there has been a remote lock icon for ages |
11:44:15 | petur | afaicr, yes |
11:44:36 | Loeckchen | oh does rockbox not work with firewire? |
11:44:43 | Loeckchen | it only mounts on usb |
11:44:51 | JdGordon | ye |
11:45:15 | Loeckchen | gotta get an usb2.0 hub then |
11:45:23 | petur | doesn't rockbox use the original ipod firmware for connecting? |
11:45:46 | petur | maybe we don't detect the firewire connection being made |
11:46:24 | Loeckchen | how do i switch off rockbox? |
11:46:37 | Loeckchen | oh the same as the original f/w |
11:47:35 | Loeckchen | OK it does only mount on USB |
11:47:45 | Loeckchen | with firewire, it gets switched on but boots into rockbox |
11:49:50 | amiconn | Loeckchen: You can switch to disk mode manually |
11:50:07 | amiconn | Reboot the ipod, and while it's booting, press Select+Play |
11:50:28 | amiconn | And yes, we don't detect firewire connections (yet) |
11:52:50 | Loeckchen | okay, thanks |
11:53:16 | Loeckchen | i have now made an fstab entry on my server box for /dev/sdc2 which is always my ipod |
11:53:27 | Loeckchen | so a user can mount it on /media/ipod |
11:53:38 | Loeckchen | and use a cp -Ruf to copy over the music |
11:54:17 | _FireFly_ | Loeckchen: you could also use a udev rule (if you have udev running) to name the dave /dev/ipod* :) |
11:54:32 | Loeckchen | it's ubuntu dapper amd64-xeon |
11:54:37 | Loeckchen | so it is running udev |
11:54:54 | _FireFly_ | s/dave/device |
11:55:00 | Loeckchen | but i'm a REAL noob with udev ^^ |
11:55:31 | Loeckchen | the amd64-xeon kernel of ubuntu is the one for xeon and pentium-d/pentium4 with em64t |
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11:57:43 | _FireFly_ | Loeckchen: eg for my iriver h120 i have this rule: |
11:57:45 | _FireFly_ | # Iriver H120 |
11:57:45 | _FireFly_ | BUS=="usb", SYSFS{manufacturer}=="iRiver ", SYSFS{product}=="iRiver iHP-100 Series",KERNEL="sd*", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="iriver%n" |
11:58:06 | Loeckchen | and this generates a /dev/iriver(number) entry? |
11:58:33 | _FireFly_ | the info for SYSFS{manufacturer} and SYSFS{product} can you retrieve via udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sd* |
11:58:36 | _FireFly_ | Loeckchen: yes |
11:58:52 | Loeckchen | okay i will try it after the music is copied |
11:58:55 | _FireFly_ | and it is only a symlink to the real /dev/sd* device |
11:59:16 | Loeckchen | and how can i manage a auotmount? |
11:59:18 | Loeckchen | automount |
11:59:39 | _FireFly_ | maybe you need other SYSFS atributes which indentify the ipod |
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12:00:26 | Loeckchen | but from the first impressions with the menu, rockbox seems very well-made |
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12:01:51 | Loeckchen | the fonts come into the dir .rockbox/fonts? |
12:01:59 | petur | yes |
12:02:04 | Loeckchen | okay, i forgot these |
12:02:30 | petur | don't forget to browse for a nice theme |
12:03:33 | apikoros | Loeckchen, if you unzip them into the root directory with full path, they'll go into the right folder |
12:04:08 | Loeckchen | i have installed the bleeding edge build |
12:04:17 | Loeckchen | it came without fonts |
12:04:36 | petur | this is to reduce bandwidth on the server |
12:05:07 | petur | as many people download the bleeding edge to upgrade |
12:05:25 | petur | and the fonts almost never change |
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12:10:40 | Loeckchen | so, i copied the fonts-dir to /.rockbox |
12:10:48 | Loeckchen | i.e. it's now /.rockbox/fonts |
12:10:52 | Loeckchen | i guess it is correct |
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12:50:17 | Loeckchen | mh, rockbox doesn't find the fonts |
12:50:22 | Loeckchen | i copied the fonts dir to .rockbox |
12:50:32 | Loeckchen | or is it the wrong location |
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13:08:47 | petur | Loeckchen: /.rockbox/fonts |
13:09:39 | Loeckchen | it works now |
13:09:50 | Loeckchen | i copied the bdf files from the source code, not the .fnt files... |
13:09:51 | Loeckchen | silly me |
13:10:10 | Loeckchen | rockbox really rocks |
13:10:28 | Loeckchen | but when building the database, music stutters when scrolling through the file browser |
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13:11:04 | PaulJam | rockbox isn't very optimized for ipod yet. |
13:11:19 | Loeckchen | but the best thing is, no crappy volume limit |
13:11:35 | Loeckchen | i can now attach a cassette adapter to play the music to the car radio |
13:11:58 | Loeckchen | these adapters need a very high volume setting |
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13:12:44 | PaulJam | there are tools to remove the volume cap from the original firmware. |
13:13:38 | petur | shht, don't make our users go away :p |
13:13:59 | Loeckchen | so now, as rockbox supports ogg, i only need to know if amarok can transcode to ogg on the fly when transferring tunes to the ipod |
13:14:16 | Loeckchen | this would save much space |
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13:14:44 | Loeckchen | and on-the go, ogg with a bitrate of 96 is really enough for listening with headphones |
13:14:46 | crwl | there's the transKode script, but i don't know what it can do |
13:15:09 | PaulJam | but if you have only 30GB music and 40 GB space, why would you want to transcode? |
13:15:15 | Loeckchen | i also think rockbox sounds better |
13:15:30 | Loeckchen | because you can adjust sound settings better |
13:15:42 | Loeckchen | not for now but when new music is added |
13:20:23 | dj-fu | turn crossfeed on |
13:20:29 | dj-fu | prepare to be blown away, if you haven't already |
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13:21:33 | Loeckchen | i now turned it on |
13:21:43 | Loeckchen | i'm currently testing it with Melotron - Der Anfang |
13:21:50 | crwl | how much does crossfeed increase boost ratio in iriver devices nowadays? |
13:21:50 | dj-fu | I've no idea what that is. |
13:22:02 | dj-fu | should be configurable no/ |
13:22:09 | dj-fu | there aare mad cf options |
13:22:09 | Loeckchen | whoa |
13:22:12 | Loeckchen | great bass |
13:22:19 | dj-fu | think speakers inside your head |
13:22:35 | Loeckchen | i have sennheiser px15 in ear |
13:23:02 | dj-fu | feh, rich guy aye |
13:23:22 | Loeckchen | they only came 19,95 euros |
13:23:31 | Loeckchen | it was a special offer |
13:23:58 | Loeckchen | but with crossfeed, sound begins to stutter when building the database in background |
13:24:09 | Loeckchen | i think the ipod version isn't optimized enough for it |
13:25:42 | petur | using a wps with peakmeters? |
13:26:03 | Loeckchen | no |
13:26:16 | Loeckchen | dancing puffy |
13:26:25 | petur | ok |
13:26:31 | dj-fu | Which version ipod? |
13:26:40 | dj-fu | & do you have EQ turned on? |
13:26:41 | Loeckchen | 4g 40gb |
13:26:47 | Loeckchen | i just turned it on |
13:26:54 | dj-fu | eq is _very_ intensive |
13:27:11 | Loeckchen | okay, EQ is off now |
13:27:31 | dj-fu | my Nano plays fine w/ crossfeed turned on. although, I don't use the tagcache database, just file rowser |
13:27:49 | Loeckchen | now, the theme selector doesn't work any more |
13:27:56 | Loeckchen | after resetting the ipod, it works again |
13:29:50 | Loeckchen | i now use the default theme "boxes" |
13:29:58 | Loeckchen | the animation was too intensive |
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13:31:50 | PaulJam | you can find additional themes here: www.rockbox-themes.org |
13:32:17 | Loeckchen | can you somehow cancel the building of the tag database? |
13:32:44 | lou | drop your mp3 player on the floor very very hard |
13:33:07 | Loeckchen | and a way where it stays intact? |
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13:40:17 | lou | no idea :) |
13:41:29 | Loeckchen | i could delete all config files |
13:41:33 | Loeckchen | but that's not it |
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14:27:24 | Loeckchen | mh does the tagcache not work on the ipod? |
14:27:30 | Loeckchen | i updated it and it is now ready |
14:27:37 | Loeckchen | but it still says, tagcache not ready |
14:27:59 | freqmod | sometimes you have to restart the ipod to make it work |
14:28:51 | Loeckchen | oh after a reboot, it says "committing tagcache" |
14:29:08 | Loeckchen | okay, now it works |
14:29:13 | freqmod | fine :) |
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14:30:01 | * | JdGordon slightly disagrees with this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5257.0 and belives the better result would be more ppl with mod priveladges around the globe |
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14:32:26 | Loeckchen | and how do i search? i now did a search for artists and have a screen where i can enter my search word |
14:32:32 | Loeckchen | so how do i fire it up? |
14:32:42 | Loeckchen | mh ok |
14:32:44 | Loeckchen | hold select |
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14:44:58 | SePhIr0tH | hi |
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15:17:20 | Loeckchen | FOAD: PONG *g* |
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15:17:52 | * | petur observes serious lag in the channel |
15:18:08 | Loeckchen | i had lunch |
15:18:12 | Loeckchen | i just returned |
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15:22:50 | JdGordon | was it a nice lunch? |
15:23:32 | Loeckchen | yeah |
15:23:41 | Loeckchen | fish, french fries and mustard sauce |
15:23:48 | JdGordon | and u didnt invite me? |
15:23:53 | JdGordon | basterd.. |
15:24:16 | Loeckchen | okay, next time, come to halle/saale (germany) and you can have something |
15:24:19 | petur | JdGordon: because it isn't lunch hour for you |
15:24:53 | JdGordon | 11.35pm is almost lunch time :D |
15:25:22 | * | JdGordon cant read.. 11.25 even |
15:25:33 | Loeckchen | here it's 3:25 PM |
15:25:36 | Loeckchen | CEST ^^ |
15:25:49 | * | petur was wondering if the timezone had 10 minute offsets |
15:26:11 | amiconn | There are some odd time zones in the world... |
15:26:19 | petur | I know |
15:26:43 | FOAD | None with 10 min offsets, afaik. |
15:28:06 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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15:32:20 | Malnilion | Timezones with ten minute offsets exist? |
15:32:35 | Malnilion | What could possibly be the purpose of that? |
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15:36:45 | FOAD | What could possibly be the purpose of 15 min offset timezones? |
15:38:12 | FOAD | Or 30 min ones? |
15:38:54 | Malnilion | Are there such things? |
15:39:30 | FOAD | Yep. |
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15:59:46 | Loeckchen | today's computer club and i am the leader of it ^^ |
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16:16:01 | earHertz | linuxstb: here? |
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16:20:01 | linuxstb_ | earHertz: Yes, but I may have to disappear at any moment, so if I don't answer, it means I'm gone... |
16:20:19 | earHertz | linuxstbI saw your message about icode attr |
16:20:20 | linuxstb_ | Did you read my comments (about 11am this morning) about IRAM? |
16:20:24 | linuxstb_ | :) |
16:20:51 | earHertz | ok, in assembly, I use this: .section .icode,"ax",%progbits |
16:21:01 | earHertz | that shoudl put the code in teh icode section, yes? |
16:21:06 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
16:21:22 | linuxstb_ | I did some IRAM experiments a while ago, and posted a patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5226 |
16:21:47 | earHertz | and in teh c code, I keep the icode on lcd_update_rect, but took it OFF the actuiual C function called |
16:22:14 | earHertz | so I'm thinking, teh asm ran in IRAm and teh c didn't |
16:22:32 | earHertz | which makes teh results even more confusing |
16:22:46 | linuxstb_ | Easiest thing is to check the rockbox.map file - to see which sections the functions were put. |
16:23:45 | earHertz | linuxstb_: your patch says you got better speed by NOT using IRAM?? |
16:24:01 | linuxstb_ | No. |
16:24:25 | linuxstb_ | 74% boost with both icode and idata, 75% boost with only idata, and 90% boost with no IRAM use. |
16:24:45 | linuxstb_ | i.e. icode only gives a tiny improvement - so it seems better to use IRAM for data instead of code. |
16:25:08 | linuxstb_ | (we only have 96KB of IRAM - 48KB for core Rockbox, 48KB for codecs/plugins) |
16:25:18 | earHertz | for mp3 data |
16:25:33 | linuxstb_ | In fact, we have 128KB on some targets (Nano, 5g, 2nd Gen mini) - but I don't think we use it. |
16:25:38 | earHertz | what do you mean by "boost"? |
16:26:11 | linuxstb_ | The CPU boost ratio when decoding audio - from the audio thread debug screen. Not a great measure, but it's easy to see. |
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16:26:26 | linuxstb_ | Feel free to do some better benchmarks of iram. |
16:26:32 | linuxstb_ | gotta go. |
16:26:41 | earHertz | oh, ok |
16:26:42 | earHertz | bye |
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16:30:54 | linuxstb_ | I'm back for 30 seconds - feel free to ask more questions, and I'll answer them when I can this afternoon. |
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16:36:40 | linuxstb_ | earHertz: Whilst you're looking at ASM optimisations, the ATA driver would probably benefit from them - the functions to read/write sectors are ASM-optimised for SH-1 and Coldfire, but not ARM. It's vaguely similar to memcpy, but the source of reads (and destination of writes) is a constant address (a 16-bit memory-mapped hardware register). |
16:37:30 | earHertz | linuxstb_: in that case it's virtually the same as teh lcd (destination of writes is 16 bit) |
16:37:51 | earHertz | So if we figure out teh best lcd, the ata stuff should fall out from that |
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16:37:53 | linuxstb_ | Yep. Although you need to take account of unaligned source/destination addresses. |
16:38:07 | earHertz | linuxstb_: of course ;) |
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16:38:19 | earHertz | My experiments with memcpy have driven that point home |
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16:39:10 | linuxstb_ | Yes, all these things are very similar, which is why I mentioned it :) |
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16:40:51 | earHertz | Once I have teh lcd optimized, I'll make teh ATA my next project |
16:41:38 | earHertz | But I'm saddened to learn that all our writing to the lcd is through a DIAGNOSTIC function. And if we couild talk to the broadcomm, we could have memory mapped lcd |
16:41:56 | * | earHertz is actually pretty pissed |
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16:48:39 | linuxstb_ | Do you think there's much potential left with the current LCD update method? |
16:50:02 | amiconn | Maybe memory mapped lcd is possible on the g5 - if we get some docs for the broadcom chip. Otherwise I'd say forget it... |
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16:52:05 | amiconn | Even on the older ipods we can't access the lcd controller directly |
16:55:35 | amiconn | Especially the access on the greyscale ipods are way slower than they could be if we had direct access, or could at least program the delays in the PP's interface to the lcd controller |
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16:56:47 | linuxstb_ | I'm not 100% sure, but I would guess that the LCD drivers have all been developed from disassembling the ipod diagnostic mode code from flash, rather than retailos itself. So maybe retailos does things better. |
16:57:56 | petur | so now the pp code has been cracked RE will give us better code? |
16:58:20 | amiconn | apple_os.bin isn't encrypted according to linuxstb |
16:58:49 | petur | oh |
16:59:15 | amiconn | I did not yet find out the load address / entry point of the image. As soon as I have that I'll feed apple_os.bin through ida pro |
16:59:54 | linuxstb_ | The load address and entry point of the image are in the header. I think they're both 0x10000000. |
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17:01:01 | linuxstb_ | i.e. the part of apple_os.bin which contains the exception vectors should be loaded to 0x10000000, everything before the exception vectors should be discarded. |
17:01:25 | | Part LinusN |
17:01:27 | linuxstb_ | But then that code probably remaps RAM to 0x00000000 in the same way as Rockbox does, so I don't know how IDA Pro would handle that. |
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17:15:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: I guess it's not that important, as arm jump ops are always pc relative |
17:15:53 | amiconn | Data addresses might be a problem though |
17:17:15 | linuxstb_ | If you're going to look at retailos, it could be worthwhile talking to the IPL devs in #ipodlinux-dev |
17:20:28 | earHertz | ipl devs will tell you there are no specs on teh broadcomm chip |
17:20:57 | earHertz | even if e got data to the broadcomm, how would we control what the broadcomm did with it? |
17:21:17 | petur | but they will most probably have been looking at the disassembly too |
17:22:12 | earHertz | broadcomm takes data in 16 bits (or 8), so I'm guessing teh retail os sends a bunch of data to the broadcomm (which has its own mmeory) and then the broadcomm memeory maps the lcd |
17:22:33 | SePhIr0tH | well i was about to ask for help 1h ago but i managed to get rockbox works with ipod mini 2nd generation, so i'l only say that : good job guys rockbox is great :o |
17:22:53 | linuxstb_ | earHertz: I was talking about asking for advice on using IDA Pro with retailos. |
17:23:06 | earHertz | oh, sorry |
17:24:35 | linuxstb_ | Also, amiconn has an ipod mini, so I'm assuming he's not interested in the Broadcom chip. |
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17:27:50 | amiconn | I'm more interested in how the lcd access is done on the older ipods, especially greyscale but also color/photo and nano |
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17:34:53 | linuxstb_ | Yes, so am I. I'm not really motivated to spend time with the Broadcom chip. |
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17:36:25 | ryran | boomyaow |
17:38:20 | lamed | can't get sdl sound playing in a normal rockbox vmware machine install. anyone had something similar? |
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17:42:39 | Slasheri | amiconn: i got an idea how the virtual fs for tagcache could be done. At first tagcache could request firmware level to bind its hooks, for example vfs_bind("/tagcache", callback_routine); Then when trying to open dir /tagcache, the handler inside tagcache viewer would be called. And for open, delete etc. appropriate handlers would be called to retrieve the real filename. For example delete("/tagcache/artist/album/08. song"); would first ... |
17:42:45 | Slasheri | ... callback tagcache handler to retrieve that filename, then do the desired function at real system level delete and finally callback tagcache to handle the delete. |
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17:49:50 | lamed | ..I'd love some help with that sdl simsound :( |
17:49:56 | linuxstb_ | Does tagcache currently handle the case of a user deleting files via Rockbox? |
17:50:40 | linuxstb_ | lamed: Can you get any sound out of your vmware ? i.e. a normal Linux sound application? |
17:53:10 | Slasheri | linuxstb_: there is no direct hooks, but on update scan (automatic or manual), that is handled |
17:55:03 | ryran | Slasheri: the new tc autoupdate just happens on boot, right? |
17:57:21 | Slasheri | yep |
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17:59:28 | lamed | linuxstb: yeah. i get beeps when I alt |
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18:00:05 | lamed | linuxstb: (alt/ or backspace on the bash) |
18:00:11 | lamed | here's a better explanation: |
18:00:31 | lamed | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5261.0 |
18:01:20 | amiconn | Slasheri: Boot and usb unplug, or boot only? |
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18:04:53 | Slasheri | amiconn: boot & usb, just verified |
18:05:02 | linuxstb_ | lamed: I use Linux, but don't use vmware, and I also haven't used the sim for a while - making me not the best person to help. I recall there being problems with audio in the sim, but it did work more than you're experiencing. |
18:05:18 | Slasheri | but there seems to be a wrong ifdef for dircache, so autoscan won't work for archos at all atm |
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18:16:52 | bluebrother | can someone explain me the meaning of "tonguelashed"? |
18:17:28 | bluebrother | seems to colloquial as I wasn't able finding it in a dictionary. |
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18:20:23 | linuxstb_ | I think you could just describe it as being attacked verbally - but normally because you've done something wrong. |
18:20:43 | bluebrother | hmm. |
18:21:07 | bluebrother | I can't remember doing something wrong in that case :o |
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18:21:35 | linuxstb_ | Ah, "tongue-lashing" = "a scolding" |
18:21:44 | linuxstb_ | (from dictionary.com) |
18:21:44 | ryran | nice job on all the tc work Slasheri ... peace out everyone |
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18:22:09 | linuxstb_ | Also, "rebuking a person harshly" |
18:23:27 | bluebrother | wow. I'm fascinated. |
18:24:00 | bluebrother | seems the "reason" was my comment on this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5643 |
18:24:29 | bluebrother | can't find anything unpolite on my comment ... |
18:24:39 | bluebrother | some users are really crazy. |
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18:26:05 | linuxstb_ | I didn't understand that feature request at all. Part of me thought he was referring to the iriver firmware - because he said you can't record from the tuner. |
18:27:26 | bluebrother | I think he didn't read anything of the loads of documentation that is around. |
18:27:27 | bluebrother | too bad. |
18:29:20 | bluebrother | now I've got a mail (stupid "reply to all" in outlook express, but I guess rockbox-sf won't accept mails from outside) and he calls it exactly the way he would have implemented it |
18:29:26 | bluebrother | what should I say more? |
18:30:28 | linuxstb_ | So he's replied to the comments you and Paul made, but via email to you? |
18:31:40 | bluebrother | yes. |
18:31:53 | bluebrother | > After being tonguelashed by another bluebrother for not "getting" the iRiver navigation system |
18:32:11 | linuxstb_ | So is he talking about the iriver firmware? |
18:32:35 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if he refers to me, but I don't know of any other bluebrother on the rockbox project |
18:32:39 | bluebrother | partly. |
18:33:05 | bluebrother | a bit later he talks about rockbox. It's completely confusing. |
18:34:15 | bluebrother | I think I'll resist replying to his mail. Strangely his mail seems not to be addressed to Paul. |
18:34:51 | linuxstb_ | You could just reply briefly and suggest that the correct place to post his ideas/complaints would be the rockbox mailing list. |
18:35:19 | linuxstb_ | (and not flyspray or private emails) |
18:35:59 | bluebrother | I'll think about that. But anyway, I'm going to grab some food first ;-) |
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18:53:00 | Hansmaulwurf | my etymotic E4 just died |
18:53:05 | Hansmaulwurf | well, the left one |
18:56:51 | Hansmaulwurf | ah fine |
18:56:55 | Hansmaulwurf | 2 years warranty |
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20:04:03 | amiconn | Anyone else who got the forum announcement twice? |
20:04:37 | petur | what announcement? |
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20:04:48 | petur | hey, you got mine, give it back |
20:05:21 | amiconn | "New announcement: Reporting Spam or Other 'Bad' Posts" |
20:05:36 | amiconn | (from jeff AT misticriver DOT net) |
20:06:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup, it seems nearly every morning I have 5-8 reports of one spam message. |
20:07:18 | amiconn | I mean I got the announcement mail twice? Anyone else too? |
20:08:02 | amiconn | s/\?/\./ |
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20:08:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't get the announcement mail. |
20:08:54 | petur | just press delete twice ;) |
20:09:49 | amiconn | So something might be wrong with the forum. I got the mail twice, and others didn't get it at all |
20:10:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | The only mails I ever get from the forums are notifications of PMs. |
20:11:41 | amiconn | Identical text, but the time differs by 4 seconds, and the message id is also different |
20:11:59 | amiconn | X-Mailer: SMF I guess that's the forum soft |
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20:12:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup, Simply Machines Forums |
20:13:04 | rasher | amiconn: When was it sent? |
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20:13:24 | rasher | Maybe it isn't done mailing yet |
20:13:29 | amiconn | Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:42:56 +0000 |
20:13:38 | rasher | Ah, well that's a while ago. |
20:13:42 | amiconn | ..and another one 4 seconds later |
20:15:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is there an option to receive those announcements or not? |
20:15:47 | * | Paul_The_Nerd can't seem to find if it's optional. |
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20:17:17 | rasher | Gotta love bugreports on non-existant features |
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20:18:13 | rasher | (some blackjack plugin) |
20:18:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
20:18:48 | Hansmaulwurf | 1. april? |
20:18:59 | rasher | No, just a clueless user |
20:19:08 | rasher | there is a blackjack plugin, just not in Rockbox proper |
20:19:23 | rasher | So it's just Somebody Else's Problem |
20:20:31 | midgey34 | woo pick me, thats me buggy plugin |
20:20:37 | midgey34 | s/me/my |
20:20:52 | midgey34 | I just noticed that error report |
20:20:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | What kept Blackjack from CVS inclusion? |
20:21:05 | midgey34 | I never submitted a patch |
20:21:15 | rasher | Boo! |
20:21:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, why not? |
20:21:29 | midgey34 | too many bugs IMO |
20:21:36 | midgey34 | I've gotten most of them fixed |
20:21:42 | midgey34 | except one major one |
20:21:52 | rasher | More eyes will see it if it's committed |
20:21:58 | midgey34 | when thats fixed and the freeze is over, I'll submit |
20:22:01 | rasher | And it's not like Rockbox is Bug Free |
20:22:16 | Hansmaulwurf | i got no rockbox announcement mail |
20:22:45 | rasher | You don't have to drop a Finished[tm] plugin in the patch, minor bugs should not stand in the way of inclusion imho (of course the freeze does, now) |
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20:23:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, submitting it to the patch tracker doesn't stop you from being able to fix bugs, AND makes it easier for other people to play with it and find 'em before committing |
20:23:45 | midgey34 | call me stubborn, one bug was bothering me and I still havent gotten it fixed |
20:24:00 | * | Paul_The_Nerd shrugs |
20:24:02 | midgey34 | if I can't fix it within a few days, I'll probably submit a patch |
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20:25:15 | rasher | Paul_The_Nerd: Why is FS #5652 not marked as a patch though? |
20:25:31 | rasher | Wait, are you darkkone? |
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20:26:26 | rasher | You'd think a guy like JoeBorn would be able to keep himself connected. |
20:26:36 | rasher | But you'd apparently be wrong. |
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20:27:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | rasher: I'd originally changed is to feature request because I didn't notice the patch. I guess it should be "Patch" instead. |
20:27:23 | rasher | I'll fix |
20:27:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | I fixed already |
20:27:31 | rasher | hah |
20:27:54 | rasher | I'll update the title, then! |
20:28:02 | rasher | which was wrong |
20:28:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just very strongly feel that it's not a Bug if something doesn't work the way someone would like, but does work in following with the overall schema, even if it IS really annoying. |
20:28:23 | rasher | I agree. |
20:28:34 | rasher | It's at best a missing feature |
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20:30:25 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Did you get chance to try and upgrade your Apple firmware? |
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20:32:14 | rasher | I'm a bit stumped about this guy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5217.0 |
20:33:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Let me do that right now. |
20:33:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does Rockbox give "installation incomplete" messages now? |
20:34:18 | linuxstb_ | I've never seen one, but then all my installations are complete... Let me grep. |
20:34:33 | obo | I think I've seen it in the sim if the .rockbox folder is missing? |
20:34:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | It used to be silent about missing .rockbox folders, until you got a codec failure. |
20:34:38 | rasher | I've seen it.. ages ago |
20:34:55 | rasher | maybe it was shut up |
20:34:56 | PaulJam | i had theis message once when my filesystem got corrupted |
20:35:03 | linuxstb_ | Yes, it's in tree.c |
20:35:48 | * | rasher notices he's a "Rockbox expert" |
20:35:49 | linuxstb_ | If .rockbox isn't found, firstly "No .rockbox directory" is splashed, and then "Installation incomplete" |
20:36:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | rasher: I'd say you qualify. |
20:36:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least. I don't know, do you have commit access? |
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20:37:01 | rasher | I do, yes. Not that I've used it much |
20:37:23 | rasher | Just hadn't noticed the logo.. I've been away for a good while |
20:37:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well I should've set you as "Developer" then. I just wasn't sure, since you'd been away. |
20:37:57 | rasher | I think developer is a stretch |
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20:38:29 | rasher | I'm happy with the "Expert" label instead, or people will be expecting too much of me |
20:38:37 | sharpe | heheh |
20:38:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, Developer is more a way to recognize people with commit access. So, you're stuck with it. :-P |
20:38:59 | rasher | That's okay then |
20:39:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Expert" is what we voted on instead of "Tech Support" ;) |
20:39:58 | rasher | Ah, extracting to the _root_ of the drive.. good point (re the forum post) |
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20:41:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sometimes people think "root" means X:\root\ |
20:41:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though arguably then it shouldn't be finding his rockbox.iriver |
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20:41:20 | rasher_ | gosh darn webclient |
20:41:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
20:42:58 | obo | could someone with commit access cast an eye over 5551 for me please? |
20:44:04 | rasher_ | I'd say this qualifies for bug-fix.. |
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20:50:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb: Updating my iPod now. |
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20:52:24 | rasher | Irssi is certainly less awful than the webclient. |
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21:00:13 | rasher | obo: I'm looking at 5551 now. Am I right in thinking that the magick is the calc_scales you added? (I told you that "developer" was a stretch!) |
21:00:37 | rasher | That is, the important part of the patch |
21:01:04 | obo | yeah, pretty much, and then setting the x/y co-ords later on so they're relative to the screen size rather than hard coded |
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21:02:51 | rasher | Thought so. Looks decent enough to my only slighty trained eyes, so I'll just test it and probably commit it and deal with the consequences. |
21:03:26 | obo | heh, thanks :) |
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21:05:20 | lamed | well then, take a l00k of my patches as well... 5587 and 5641 for instance.... |
21:05:22 | lamed | (rasher) |
21:06:53 | petur | hahaha |
21:06:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: There's definitely something strange, when I sync a song over with Nano 1.2 and Rockbox, that song isn't showing up in the Retail Firmware. As well, the patch I had that was loading Retail instead of the hardware disk mode doesn't seem to function properly anymore either. |
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21:08:00 | linuxstb_ | So I wonder if it's just bad luck or Apple being malicious? |
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21:08:41 | rasher | The latter sounds unlikely, since they haven't made a fuss about IPL yet |
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21:10:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | It seems somewhat odd though, that Retail would only not show music if our bootloader were installed. |
21:10:37 | rasher | True, that |
21:10:43 | linuxstb_ | I wonder why this hasn't been more widely reported - presumably no Rockbox users upgrade retailos? |
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21:11:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or don't use it to play music? |
21:11:44 | linuxstb_ | What else can it do? |
21:12:20 | linuxstb_ | Is the emergency disk mode still slow? |
21:13:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
21:13:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Still slow |
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21:16:55 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Have you tried removing the bootloader to see if the music appears in retailos? |
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21:17:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Was just about to try that, I want to see if the VBR bug is gone too |
21:18:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, just writing back the bootpartition.bin restored the presence of music |
21:18:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Music synced over AFTER I installed Rockbox, btw. |
21:19:56 | linuxstb_ | Do you know if the firmwares for other ipods has been upgraded? |
21:20:28 | rasher | obo: heh, the up/down keys are reversed on the h100 in the menu.. otherwise, looks fine |
21:20:30 | amiconn | Paul_The_Nerd: Dunno about other devs, but I never played a single track in ipod retailos, for a very simple reason |
21:20:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe it was an upgrade for 5G, Nano, and shuffle |
21:20:51 | amiconn | ...I don't have itunes installed, and won't install it. |
21:21:13 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: I've never upgraded the featil_os since installing rockbox. |
21:21:14 | obo | rasher: weird - I didn't think I'd touched the menu code :) |
21:21:18 | amiconn | And I don't need to upgrade retailos for the same reason, I removed it completely |
21:21:28 | rasher | obo: maybe it was just strange in the first place |
21:21:43 | amiconn | I prefer faster boot over a useless retail firmware |
21:21:47 | earHertz | (Honeslty, I hardly play the sdamned thing anymore, I just seem to load various rockbox builds on it, test them, and then dump logf) |
21:21:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn, earHertz: Only reason I'm using it here is at linuxstb's request. :) |
21:22:04 | * | linuxstb_ hides |
21:22:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | They do seem to have fixed the VBR bug |
21:22:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least, the problem song that's worked to test for it before didn't trigger it. |
21:22:27 | * | amiconn didn't even know about a VBR bug |
21:22:40 | earHertz | yeah, never heard of it |
21:22:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | amiconn: I discovered its presence in the time between purchasing a Nano, and Rockbox having sound support |
21:23:01 | linuxstb_ | The retailos CPU scaling is too aggressive and skips if there is a spike in the bitrate in VBR MP3 files. |
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21:23:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | It apparently dates back to the 1G Mini at least. |
21:23:25 | linuxstb_ | (and they have a tiny PCM buffer IIUC) |
21:24:44 | earHertz | the reail_os is encrypted, right? |
21:24:54 | rasher | obo: looks like it's just plain wrong.. pushing up increases the "selected_setting" variable. Very odd.. |
21:25:37 | rasher | Can someone with an archos check if the vu_meter plugin menu works the wrong way round? |
21:25:44 | linuxstb_ | earHertz: No. My understanding is that retailos is unencrypted, but the contents of the flash (as stored in the firmware partition) are. |
21:26:47 | linuxstb_ | This seems to be the opposite to the standard PortalPlayer scheme - where the bootloader is clear, and the firmware (.mi4) is encrypted. |
21:27:00 | earHertz | linuxstb_: the flash is encrypted, but then what's not? |
21:27:07 | earHertz | oh, the flqsh is teh bootloader?? |
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21:27:32 | earHertz | what prevents use from disaambling the retial firmware? |
21:27:52 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the bootloader and diagnostics mode code. I believe it's the diagnostics mode code which was used by IPL for reverse-engineering. |
21:28:19 | linuxstb_ | earHertz: Nothing prevents us from disassembling retailos. |
21:29:11 | earHertz | so we don't do it for lehgal reasons |
21:30:02 | linuxstb_ | No. It's simply that no-one has bothered yet. |
21:31:35 | linuxstb_ | AFAIK, disassembly and reverse-engineering is legal, at least in Europe. |
21:31:39 | earHertz | see, I don't want to do it, because then I might have legal barriers to writing code |
21:33:03 | earHertz | But I'd really like someone to search for the lietral 320 or 640, as in mov rx, #320 |
21:33:22 | dionoea | hello |
21:33:30 | dionoea | has anyone already ported zlib to rockbox ? |
21:34:30 | linuxstb_ | Not that I know of. The only code I know is some code to read uncompressed ZIP files. |
21:34:56 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why "Rockbox" always seems so difficult to spell for some people. |
21:34:57 | dionoea | ok, i'll do that then. |
21:35:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do we need Zlib? |
21:35:09 | dionoea | yeah |
21:35:14 | dionoea | for png display |
21:35:18 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: some of us cnat type |
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21:35:27 | dionoea | and maybe some kind of light open document preview |
21:35:39 | dionoea | like getting the text in a .odt |
21:35:39 | rasher | Legal question: do I need to include sdl sources in my w32 simulator build sources? |
21:35:49 | dionoea | rasher: yes |
21:35:53 | rasher | I guess that's a stupid question, I do. |
21:35:55 | rasher | I just realised. |
21:36:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Typos are one thing. "roxbox" "roxcbox" "roxkbox" and various other variations aren't as simple. Especially "roxkbox" showing up twice in a theme. Maybe it's the theme's name or something |
21:36:42 | rasher | Of course I do. But then, for the dll I include, or for the objects I link against? |
21:36:45 | rasher | Or both.. |
21:36:50 | earHertz | Paul_The_Nerd: on american keyboards "x" is next to "c" |
21:36:56 | rasher | (guess I could just keep those in sync, of course) |
21:37:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | earHertz: Yes, it is, I have one. But usually that typo occurs once. Not both times. Maybe he was lazy and cut/paste. |
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21:37:34 | floody | hello |
21:37:41 | linuxstb_ | rasher; Do you cross-compile your win32 SDL sims? |
21:38:01 | rasher | obo: have you built your vu_meter for different targets? (and/or tested?) |
21:38:03 | rasher | linuxstb_: aye |
21:38:11 | rasher | Using a horrible hack |
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21:38:28 | rasher | Or not really horrible as such, just a hand-modified makefile |
21:38:43 | rasher | plus, I had to build sdl with mingw32-gcc |
21:38:47 | dionoea | btw, any update concerning the 3.0 release date estimation ? |
21:38:51 | rasher | But it seems to be working. |
21:39:00 | obo | rasher: tested physically on a 5g - sim tested on a h300 and recorder, and target built for both those as well |
21:39:09 | linuxstb_ | Is building SDL straightforward? |
21:39:42 | rasher | linuxstb_: afaik, pretty much.. I had to do one slight tweak of something afterwards though, but I figure if I can manage, so can you |
21:39:51 | rasher | (and I can't remember what it was) |
21:39:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: I don't think there will be a further release date estimation, so much as a "Oh, yeah, it's done" type statement at some point. |
21:40:07 | rasher | And that afaik should be iirc |
21:40:29 | dionoea | Paul_The_Nerd: any idea when that might happen ? are there many release critical bugs left ? other things to do ? |
21:41:51 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: I don't recall any discussion of the release recently. But from what I can tell, voice seems the biggest issue left. |
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21:42:09 | amiconn | Voice and playback |
21:42:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup, still voice and playback. |
21:42:30 | dionoea | voice as in voice menus ? |
21:42:40 | * | amiconn admits that he didn't use rockbox much on the swcodec units recently, for those exact reasons |
21:42:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes, and talk clips. |
21:43:08 | * | amiconn still prefers any archos for solid, hassle-free playback |
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21:43:47 | linuxstb_ | I exclusively use swcodec now, and am very happy. But I don't use voice at all. |
21:43:58 | * | dionoea lost his archo recorder's usb cable :'( |
21:44:00 | ForEveryHeart | rockbox is the program that will allow me to hear what music files i have on there correct? like it will say the name of them? |
21:44:02 | XavierGr | also v2lang localization |
21:44:18 | XavierGr | another matter is default font screens with non roman languages |
21:44:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | ForEveryHeart: It is necessary that you prepare .talk clips for the names of your files. |
21:45:20 | ForEveryHeart | okay so would i need a microphone for that? |
21:45:47 | rasher | ForEveryHeart: there are scripts to prepare the .talk clips using text-to-speech engines |
21:46:03 | rasher | Which is probably more reasonable if you have more than 10 songs |
21:46:19 | ForEveryHeart | okay |
21:46:20 | ForEveryHeart | awesome |
21:46:29 | ForEveryHeart | when will the wiki files be back online? |
21:46:36 | rasher | The files are online, the pages are not |
21:46:41 | rasher | (see topic) |
21:46:50 | ForEveryHeart | okay |
21:46:53 | ForEveryHeart | thanks alot guys |
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21:50:39 | rasher | How is the ifp port doing these days? |
21:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't think there have been updates, really. |
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21:53:53 | afruff | What caused the site to go down? Was it internal or did someone hack it? |
21:54:00 | rasher | The latter |
21:54:21 | afruff | Why would someone do that? |
21:54:42 | dionoea | good question |
21:54:55 | afruff | Hackers wouldn't go about attacking open-source projects |
21:55:15 | rasher | If they are using the server for spamming |
21:55:28 | afruff | oh, the twiki spammers? |
21:55:32 | rasher | yup |
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22:03:19 | rasher | obo: There are some whitespace-only changes in the file - did you notice that? Can't figure out what's causing them |
22:04:09 | rasher | at least, not all of them |
22:04:10 | rasher | oh well |
22:04:11 | obo | ah, my editor likes to trim trailing spaces |
22:04:24 | rasher | Probably that |
22:04:46 | petur | that's ok, just add 'code policing' to the comment ;) |
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22:07:23 | rasher | And of course now I forgot to mention the FS# |
22:07:35 | cornchild | weeee the twiki |
22:07:48 | cornchild | (ToT) thanks |
22:08:45 | obo | thanks rasher |
22:09:32 | cornchild | i got a question i hope is not stupid.. |
22:09:51 | cornchild | i installed rockbox on the nano but now i can access my music |
22:10:04 | afruff | use tagcache |
22:10:10 | cornchild | the music previus loaded with itunes |
22:10:18 | afruff | see above |
22:10:41 | afruff | go to genreal settings and turn ontagcache |
22:10:46 | afruff | and hti force update |
22:10:56 | afruff | hit* |
22:11:07 | afruff | wait 3 minutes, restart iPod |
22:11:14 | cornchild | *doingo* |
22:11:15 | afruff | change view to tagcache |
22:11:26 | cornchild | *come ipod ipod come* |
22:11:37 | afruff | I assume your tags are in order sicne you used ituens to transfer files? |
22:11:42 | cornchild | *there you are* |
22:11:50 | cornchild | i asume so |
22:11:52 | cornchild | lets see |
22:12:50 | afruff | tagcahce is under playback |
22:13:48 | cornchild | (thanks was looking for it) |
22:14:30 | afruff | devs: you should move tagcache out of there |
22:14:43 | cornchild | cant finfd ti.. tagcache on playback sniff i found it on File view |
22:15:02 | afruff | one sec |
22:15:06 | afruff | let me get my player |
22:15:29 | cornchild | (i click on update now) |
22:15:49 | afruff | general settings>playback>force tag cahce update |
22:16:09 | afruff | that's right |
22:16:17 | afruff | there's no confirmation that you did anything |
22:16:28 | PaulJam | afruff: i think your rockbox version is quite old |
22:16:29 | afruff | I eman, you did it correctly but it won't tell you that |
22:16:50 | afruff | oh, lol |
22:17:15 | afruff | I think it's form february |
22:17:19 | afruff | from* |
22:17:24 | afruff | how can I check? |
22:17:32 | cornchild | ... i cant find that Force tag cache update on my rock |
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22:18:04 | PaulJam | afruff: the version is shown in the credits plugin |
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22:18:50 | afruff | I know, but it says 060513-1650 |
22:18:57 | afruff | that doesn't seem like a date to me |
22:19:37 | afruff | cornchild, did you find anything that said update |
22:19:37 | PaulJam | YYMMDD-hhmm i guess |
22:19:56 | afruff | oh, I'm not used to that format |
22:20:06 | afruff | my bad |
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22:20:48 | afruff | cornchild, restart palyer |
22:21:00 | afruff | it should say commiting tagcache after restarting |
22:21:46 | cornchild | i have Tag cache> Auto Updating or Update Now... |
22:21:48 | afruff | does tagcache have a wraning for erasing dynmaic playlist yet? |
22:21:48 | PaulJam | i think it is called "initialize tagcache" now |
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22:22:39 | afruff | does anybody have a mirror for the wiki? |
22:22:45 | afruff | I don't care how old it is |
22:22:57 | PaulJam | google cache |
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22:23:41 | cornchild | (i press initialize now, should i wait? or researt already?_ |
22:23:42 | rasher | I wonder if it would be feasible to export a static version |
22:23:56 | cornchild | lest wait |
22:23:59 | afruff | http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+tagcache+site:www.rockbox.org&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2 |
22:24:16 | PaulJam | cornchild: wait until the disk stops spinning |
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22:24:36 | afruff | yif you restart, then it'll just pick up where it left off |
22:24:53 | afruff | but I don't think it will commit the newly scanned files |
22:25:00 | afruff | (i.e. after restart) |
22:26:46 | cornchild | ( i am using nano .. so who do i know when it stops?) |
22:26:58 | cornchild | lests see |
22:27:03 | rasher | when the disc activity iconi n the status bar stops |
22:28:03 | cornchild | it shows just for a sec |
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22:29:56 | afruff | if you restart, then it doesn't matter becuase it will jsut pick up where it left off |
22:30:00 | afruff | no worries |
22:30:05 | afruff | just restart and see |
22:30:36 | cornchild | k |
22:31:05 | cornchild | restarted.. so where it should be? on wich folder? |
22:31:15 | cornchild | (sorry if i am being so stupid) |
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22:31:19 | cornchild | (i am not that much) |
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22:31:51 | afruff | I want to upgrade my build. If I unzip my build file into the root, then will I lose any files(i.e. settings)? |
22:32:12 | midkay | write a cfg first just in case.. |
22:32:15 | afruff | it's ok, since the wiki is down |
22:32:18 | midkay | but actually no. |
22:32:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | You only lose your settings if the config version has changes |
22:32:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | changed |
22:32:34 | midkay | no new features have been put in since it's the freeze, so you're fine. |
22:32:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The config block has changed once or twice during freeze though. |
22:32:59 | midkay | yeah, but i know it hasn't in the past, like, 2 weeks. |
22:33:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Changing the options relating to TagCache for example |
22:33:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | We've know his tagcache menu is out of date, so it probably will clear his settings |
22:33:31 | midkay | it is? |
22:33:39 | PaulJam | i think the config version was increased just yesterday, so save a config file |
22:33:39 | afruff | yea, it's udner playback |
22:33:56 | midkay | how old is that build? must be like a month then. |
22:33:59 | afruff | 060513-1650 |
22:34:18 | afruff | about 2 motnhs |
22:34:44 | afruff | I'm not really worried about losing settings, but losing my database |
22:35:04 | midkay | your db is never erased by rockbox. |
22:35:11 | afruff | thanks |
22:35:18 | cornchild | sniff |
22:35:21 | midkay | you can still avoid a settings reset, really, by writing a CFG file and reloading it after the update. |
22:35:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | But there are occasionally version changes of TagCache that have required a rebuild, right? |
22:35:59 | afruff | there are several veryrecent tagcache changes |
22:37:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, i don't believe that we've ever had an update that requires a rebuild.. i may be wrong, though. |
22:37:24 | midkay | tagcache changes in general are fine. |
22:37:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I've had a working tagcache that wasn't working after installing a new build, once, I think |
22:38:03 | obo | cornchild: you need to change the file view to see your music - see the TagCache page afruff posted earlier |
22:38:31 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd, interesting.. never happened to me.. or hard to tell, since whenever I add music I have to re-update anyways. |
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22:40:35 | afruff | dircache auto-updates right? becaus eit doesn't seem to do so for me. |
22:40:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | It only happened once, if I recall. The .tcd files were there, but it told me the tagcache was not ready. It was fairly early one though. |
22:41:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | afruff: Files you copy over don't show up in the file view? |
22:41:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | When set to "all files"? |
22:41:12 | afruff | no, in tagcache |
22:41:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | TagCache is not DirCache... |
22:41:53 | afruff | so the only way to make it autoupdate in tagacache is to store in RAM |
22:42:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, you said you were using a 2 month out of date build. Does the auto-update in TagCache not work for you with a recent build? |
22:42:15 | afruff | I havne't upgraded just yet |
22:42:39 | * | midkay will bbi15-20 |
22:43:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, it's kinda pointless asking about bugs in a feature that has drastically changed. |
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22:45:44 | afruff | I"m upgrading now |
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22:48:17 | afruff | I upgaded and when attempting to load my .cfg file, it says "settings loaded" and it's stuck |
22:49:00 | petur | it did reset settings, right? |
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22:49:55 | afruff | restarting* |
22:50:22 | afruff | yeah |
22:50:43 | afruff | my old settings are back. yay |
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22:53:13 | afruff | would turning usbotg power off on the X5 be allowed to be added during feature freeze? |
22:55:05 | Bagder | I would say it can |
22:55:33 | afruff | should I put this under bug reports or feature requests? : no warning when erasing dynamic playlist in tagcache |
22:55:46 | rasher | I'd say that's a bug |
22:56:00 | rasher | that is, if there's no warning hwen you have the "warn when.." on |
22:56:10 | afruff | it's on |
22:56:36 | linuxstb_ | So it works in the file browser, but not tagcache? |
22:56:51 | afruff | yeah |
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22:58:33 | afruff | which can be a big pain if you have an X5 joystick and you accidentally press soemthing |
22:58:33 | cornchild | sniff i cant access my music |
22:58:33 | cornchild | sniff |
22:58:33 | rasher | linuxstb_: To build crosscompile SDL, simply ./configure −−host=i586-mingw32msvc (assuming you have mingw32 installed of course) |
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22:58:33 | linuxstb_ | Then it sounds like a bug. |
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22:58:33 | rasher | linuxstb_: to crosscompile the sims, use the makefile I include in my sim builds (under .rockbox) |
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22:58:40 | rasher | (edited with appropriate paths of course) |
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22:58:50 | afruff | general settings> file view> tagcache> initialize now > force update >wait 3 minutes> restart > switch to ID3 databse view |
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22:59:51 | cornchild | humm |
23:00 |
23:00:01 | afruff | is that what you did? |
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23:00:39 | afruff | did you forget to initialize? |
23:00:53 | cornchild | the id3 step missing |
23:01:05 | afruff | oh |
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23:02:11 | afruff | that can be accessed via the quickscreen or general settings>file view>show files |
23:02:20 | cornchild | where do i shitch to id3 database view :/ |
23:04:19 | afruff | answer: right above your last post |
23:04:55 | cornchild | (i am offially stupid) (thanks for you patience) |
23:05:15 | afruff | did it work? |
23:05:18 | cornchild | ( i have become the tipical stupid user) |
23:05:45 | cornchild | IT WORKED |
23:05:50 | cornchild | CLAP CLAP CLAP |
23:05:55 | cornchild | *STAND IN OVATION* |
23:06:27 | cornchild | but now.. does not play the mp3 arghh |
23:06:42 | afruff | is it an aac file downloaded off itunes? |
23:06:54 | cornchild | it says unknow artis unknow album no file |
23:07:03 | afruff | ituens music store* |
23:07:10 | cornchild | nope they are just mp3 and some itunes podcasts |
23:08:01 | afruff | I'm not sure how good normal aac support is, but mp3's should work |
23:08:35 | cornchild | ...thanks afruff at least the music is there |
23:09:27 | cornchild | good nick rockrockers |
23:09:30 | cornchild | night |
23:09:31 | afruff | you could bot into the original firmware |
23:09:35 | afruff | boot* |
23:10:02 | cornchild | sniff.. i know.. but rockbox is so sexy |
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23:10:41 | midkay | afruff, "wait 3 minutes > restart".. should be "wait until it's done > restart". 3 minutes can be 2 minutes too long for someone with a few files or 20 minutes too short for someone with a lot of music on a specific device.. |
23:10:47 | midkay | bahness. |
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23:19:07 | DANiMAL | could someone tell me please what the rockbox themes website is? |
23:19:39 | midkay | rockbox-themes.org i believe. |
23:19:57 | midkay | yeah. |
23:20:08 | DANiMAL | thanks midkay |
23:20:13 | midkay | np |
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23:21:08 | DANiMAL | do you know of any others for the 5G ipod? |
23:21:34 | Landus | I've got a question. Anyone alive? |
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23:21:40 | Red-Sox | yo |
23:21:50 | Red-Sox | can you put rockbox on an iPod in linux? |
23:21:50 | Landus | Hello. |
23:21:59 | midkay | DANiMAL, when the wiki gets back up the WpsGallery has more, i believe, |
23:22:04 | Landus | With WINE, possibly. |
23:22:05 | midkay | Red-Sox, sure. |
23:22:13 | Landus | Unless the fwpatcher has a Linux port. |
23:22:16 | midkay | there are linuxspecific instructions. |
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23:22:35 | DANiMAL | sett thanks again midkay |
23:22:38 | Red-Sox | midgey34: gweat |
23:22:52 | Landus | I'll be getting my h320 in the mail sometime tomorrow. |
23:22:53 | midkay | np |
23:23:03 | Landus | I've been browsing the forums and seen some rather cool themes. |
23:23:15 | Landus | But setting everything up seems a bit overwhelming. |
23:23:16 | Red-Sox | Can you still sync the iPod with iTunes if you use rockbox? |
23:23:16 | midkay | Red-Sox, here, try this.. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:psZ3sRNykBcJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot+IpodBoot&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a |
23:23:20 | Landus | If I pop in here, can I get help? |
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23:23:29 | Bagder | Landus: certainly |
23:23:30 | Red-Sox | midkay: you da man, thanks |
23:23:37 | midkay | yes, Red-Sox. rockbox is independent of the ipod firmware. |
23:23:39 | midkay | np. |
23:23:48 | Landus | Cool. Thanks. |
23:23:53 | Red-Sox | Now, to compile stuff? Great... |
23:24:05 | DANiMAL | and is there a way to create your own themes? |
23:24:15 | Red-Sox | Okay...I'll just do it on windows...later |
23:24:17 | midkay | Red-Sox, no, you don't have to.. one moment. |
23:24:17 | DANiMAL | like is there a guide? im guessing its on the wiki |
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23:24:57 | midkay | Red-Sox, hm.. http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki/IpodBoot/ has ipodpatcher.. |
23:25:13 | Red-Sox | Thanks! |
23:25:25 | midkay | Red-Sox, maybe you do have to compile ipod_fw though if it tells you to.. |
23:25:31 | Bagder | DANiMAL: yes, and in the manual |
23:25:56 | DANiMAL | thanks Bagder |
23:25:57 | DANiMAL | o |
23:26:04 | DANiMAL | i'll check out the manuel |
23:26:10 | linuxstb_ | Red-Sox: You want this page: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:vqUcGrK6UKAJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux%3Frev%3D1.7+ipodinstallationfromlinux&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
23:26:15 | Red-Sox | midgey34: I'll just do it in winblows |
23:26:55 | linuxstb_ | (the IpodBoot page is an old page, mainly of interest to developers) |
23:26:57 | Red-Sox | linuxstb: where do I type gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c |
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23:27:12 | Red-Sox | UGH I need to stop typing midgey34 and start typing midkay. :) |
23:27:18 | linuxstb_ | In the directory you've downloaded ipod_fw.c from |
23:27:26 | linuxstb_ | downloaded to... |
23:27:27 | midkay | linuxstb, interesting, i've never seen IpodInstallationFromLinux before. is it recent? |
23:27:33 | linuxstb_ | No. |
23:27:39 | midkay | hm. |
23:27:48 | linuxstb_ | Although it did come later than the Windows and Mac pages. |
23:27:52 | midkay | i remember the linux install instructions used to be in IpodBoot.. |
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23:30:06 | Landus | http://tinyurl.com/jds8l |
23:30:24 | Landus | Archived copy of the Twiki from March 30th last year. |
23:30:51 | midkay | oldness.. |
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23:33:14 | Landus | Yeah, but until the Twiki is back up, there's a few things in there that might be found to be helpful. |
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23:36:56 | Red-Sox | Okay, so what do I do on windows |
23:37:12 | midkay | http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:60MpDoB_mgkJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation%3Fsortcol%3D4%26table%3D1%26up%3D0+IpodInstallation&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a |
23:38:16 | midkay | there are also instructions in the manual. |
23:38:23 | Red-Sox | tanx |
23:38:36 | midkay | sure. |
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23:41:14 | neighbors | Hi, I installed rockbox on my iaudio x5 last night and my main menu is missing some things |
23:41:19 | neighbors | like general setting, and themes |
23:41:30 | neighbors | Does anybody know what I might have done wrong? |
23:43:00 | midkay | no, because the menu is, well, embedded into the rockbox installation.. |
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23:43:17 | midkay | using english language? |
23:43:30 | neighbors | yeah, although I never explicitly set a language |
23:43:45 | midkay | hmm. did you try reinstalling it? |
23:43:52 | midkay | someone else reported this last night, was it you? |
23:43:57 | neighbors | yeah |
23:44:00 | linuxstb_ | What button do you press to bring up the menu? |
23:44:10 | neighbors | I hold down the main button |
23:44:12 | neighbors | I don't know what it's called |
23:44:23 | neighbors | I press and hold the thing that can go left right up down |
23:44:35 | midkay | ah, the context menu.. |
23:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try just *tapping* it rather than holding it. |
23:45:00 | midkay | that probably selects a file.. dunno what x5's menu key is. |
23:45:18 | neighbors | I have to be playing a song to get to the main menu |
23:45:23 | neighbors | or it does select a file |
23:45:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ah |
23:45:33 | Bagder | tried the manual? |
23:45:34 | midkay | there's another key that should open the menu.. |
23:45:37 | linuxstb_ | The REC button brings up the main menu from the file browser. |
23:45:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was thinking quick-menu not context-menu |
23:45:40 | neighbors | Yeah, I followed the manual |
23:45:47 | neighbors | It's missing the section for installing the bootloader |
23:45:56 | neighbors | But Paul helped me with that last night |
23:46:11 | neighbors | Other than that I followed the manual instructions |
23:46:27 | Bagder | I was thinking about the key to use to bring the menu |
23:46:48 | neighbors | The manual said to hold the play button |
23:46:50 | neighbors | but that doesn't work |
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23:47:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | neighbors: As linuxstb_ said, apparently it's the record key that brings up the menu. The menu shouldn't say to HOLD anything. |
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23:47:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not for the main menu |
23:48:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Odd |
23:48:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | It does |
23:48:15 | neighbors | Ah, that did it, thanks linuxstb |
23:48:25 | neighbors | If I hit the record button from the file manager I get to the main menu |
23:48:31 | neighbors | And it has those entries |
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23:48:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any manual people around who can fix that? |
23:48:58 | Bagder | me fix |
23:49:05 | neighbors | I must have been in the file menu before |
23:49:16 | neighbors | The manual actually does say hitting record enters the Main Menu |
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23:49:39 | neighbors | At least in 2.2.1 |
23:50:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the first place it mentions the main menu, it says to hold the play button. |
23:50:20 | neighbors | Yeah, I know I saw that somewhere |
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23:50:24 | Bagder | nah |
23:50:29 | Bagder | get a newer manual ;-) |
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23:51:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hehehe |
23:52:25 | neighbors | It's section 3.1 that says it |
23:52:38 | neighbors | paragraph 2 |
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23:58:26 | linuxstb_ | S0ap: I don't think the code was published... |
23:58:30 | EbErT | is there a reason why dualboot can't boot to apple software on ipods without pluging it in? |
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23:58:51 | linuxstb_ | huh? |
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23:58:55 | EbErT | or is it not possible for some reason |