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#rockbox log for 2006-07-12

00:05:02sharpeit's funny, i've to print something, and then fax it.
00:05:03LinusNpanthar: i am working on the wiki, and it might go up and down like a yoyo until i'm done
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00:14:23pantharAh, so I wasn't dreaming :)
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00:20:34midgey34who is Antoine for CVS?
00:21:23midgey34dionoea?
00:21:36dionoea?
00:21:57dionoeaand yes, that's me
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00:22:32midgey34your commit just reminded me of some bugs I saw in solataire
00:22:47sharpei wonder why...
00:22:50dionoeame too :)
00:22:53midgey34you just fixed one of them
00:23:01midgey34:)
00:23:24dionoeathe code is ... horrible ... unreadable ... far too complex compared to what it should be
00:23:31midgey34one that happens is when you win on a color target (h320 for me)
00:23:39sharpedionoea: have fun rewriting it. :)
00:23:46dionoeai'll tidy it up after 3.0 is released
00:24:01midgey34the menu is in green instead of rockbox blue
00:24:13dionoeamidgey34: oh, that would be hard to test .... since wining is kind of rare :)
00:24:32midgey34I know what you mean, I've done it like 6 times
00:24:43dionoeai'll fix it tomorrow
00:24:43midgey34out of the coutnless times I've played
00:24:49dionoeai was about to get some sleep
00:24:51LinusNtime to sleep
00:24:54LinusNnite all
00:24:56dionoeadid you have other bugs ?
00:25:00dionoeanite LinusN
00:25:01midgey34one more
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00:25:20midgey34sometimes, when you draw three cards, only the center card appears
00:25:26midgey34its only happened to me twice
00:25:34dionoeathat's weird
00:25:40dionoeai'll rewrite the plugin :)
00:25:47midgey34I think it had something to do with clearing out all three cards but I don't remember
00:26:06midgey34regardless, its a great way to pass the time as is
00:26:09PaulJamplease make a vegas mode :)
00:26:17midgey34but I need to get going too
00:26:21midgey34farewell
00:26:25dionoeai wrote the initial code 2 years ago ... and it seems that my C code improved a bit since :)
00:26:44dionoea(at least i hope it did)
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01:09:44funkyhi people
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01:10:24XavierGrhi funky
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02:06:33webguest32hello every0ne
02:06:38webguest32i have a quick question
02:06:49webguest32is their a way to view the wps gallery?
02:06:49Paul_The_NerdYes?
02:06:56webguest32since the wiki is down
02:07:11Paul_The_NerdNot at the moment, no.
02:07:15Paul_The_NerdThe files are there at the temporary mirror
02:07:33webguest32which where could i locate that
02:07:38webguest32and are there screen shots
02:07:46*Paul_The_Nerd points at the channel topic.
02:07:56webguest32i see the temp mirror
02:08:02webguest32thanks for you help
02:08:05webguest32have a nice day
02:08:11webguest32rockbox rocks
02:08:14webguest32!111
02:08:16Paul_The_NerdHehehe
02:08:18Paul_The_NerdSo they say.
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02:11:50pixelmaPaul_The_Nerd: there's also http://www.rockbox-themes.org/
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02:12:35Paul_The_NerdAh yes. Not strictly *the* WPS gallery, but has quite a lot of 'em.
02:15:33joshua_Hm, so I just installed RockBox on my iPod... Is there a way to charge it without rebooting into disk mode? (i.e., from the power supply?)
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02:16:16Paul_The_NerdHold menu while you plug in
02:17:26joshua_Aha. How hackable is the source? I'd like to have it do the opposite...
02:18:33Paul_The_NerdWell, it's open source and in C, so um... how hackable kinda depends on how confident you are with C.
02:18:56joshua_I mean, do I have to jump through special hoops to build it? Or will a standard ARM environment happily build it?
02:19:26Paul_The_NerdWell, we strongly recommend arm-elf-gcc 4.0 or later, I believe.
02:20:16joshua_Oooh.
02:20:24*joshua_ tar xzvf /nfs/dashnine/var/www/doom-wads.tar.gz
02:23:39joshua_Hmm, Linux seems to suffer from some brain damage rendering it unable to copy a file containing an n-tilde to the device.
02:24:56Paul_The_NerdHeh
02:25:29Mikachujoshua_: man mount
02:26:41joshua_Mikachu, mount tells me that it's mounted with iocharset=utf8
02:27:06Mikachuyou also want the utf8 option
02:27:47joshua_I wonder why that's not a default in ubuntu
02:37:19jhMikeSIs it currently not possible to submit patches? Where are the links to do it?
02:38:33Paul_The_NerdThe word "Patches" at the front page, on the left?
02:39:38jhMikeSI'm there at flyspray. I'm also trying to login with my id but nothing showing up. I'm probably just being dumb or something. ^_^
02:40:03Paul_The_NerdIs it the ID you registered for flyspray, or are you trying to use a wiki or forum ID?
02:40:10joshua_Hmm, I see a usb.c .
02:40:19joshua_I assume that the drivers for the actual UDC aren't in place yet?
02:40:49jhMikeSHmmm...ok I guess I need to get yet another id. Thanks.
02:45:44earHertzlinuxstb: here?
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02:55:02Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Out of curiosity, why didn't you just rename the .c to .txt for attaching (though .c should be allowed now). Though usually the tracker is the best place for keeping any intermediate files, rather than the forums, even if they're something that will likely never get included, just as a base point for discussing an idea or testing it.
02:59:51earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: Basically because I've renamed files before, and was hoping to slyly prompt you to change teh forum settings. ;)
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03:01:40Paul_The_NerdI enabled .c and .h, but not .patch or .diff. Philosophically I think it's best that almost all code be kept on the tracker, but for something that's *definitely* not intended for inclusion, just as a demonstration/test for discussion, well, I'm not so sure.
03:06:03earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: I agree that "reeal" code shiould be on teh patcher. But I'd like to be avle to psot code for code revies/questions on teh forum
03:06:28Paul_The_NerdWell, as I said, you *should* be able to now. Why not go test, and let me know if it worked. ;)
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03:17:17earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: sorry, busy
03:17:37Paul_The_Nerd'sokay
03:17:59Paul_The_NerdIt's not like the forums are going anywhere.
03:18:43*earHertz is talking in ipodlinux
03:19:54joshua_Hmm... I tried to build it, and got: /usr/local/arm/3.4.1/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: section .got [00000000 -> 00000003] overlaps section .text [00000000 -> 0004dd87]
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03:36:44earHertzHow can I get -S (assembly source) output from rockbox?
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03:43:57FebsPaul_The_Nerd: this made my day: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5242.0;topicseen
03:44:56Paul_The_NerdIt was physically painful the first time I read that first post.
03:45:26FebsI know. I clicked on the link thinking, "Hmmm, I wonder what we left out of the manual?"
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03:46:12Paul_The_NerdThe world may never know.
03:46:16baxmaniacHi, for some reason I can't access the wiki.
03:46:27Paul_The_NerdIt's down.
03:46:35baxmaniacoh...
03:46:45baxmaniacany idea when it should be back up?
03:46:56Paul_The_NerdIt's being worked on.
03:47:07baxmaniacok cool
03:47:10Paul_The_NerdBut I don't know if there's a prediction yet.
03:47:11baxmaniacthanks
03:47:16baxmaniacalrighty
03:47:20FebsPaul_The_Nerd: can we disable graphic signatures in the forums? They serve no useful purpose.
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03:48:13Paul_The_NerdFebs: Checking, let you know in a second.
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03:54:07Paul_The_NerdFebs: I don't see how to do that. In fact, I can't seem to find anything relating to signatures.
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03:54:46FebsOh well. Thanks for trying.
03:55:44Paul_The_NerdFebs: I think signatures are simply treated by the same rules as posts (other than the capped length), so I'd have to remove images in posts entirely.
03:56:03FebsOK, we definitely don't want to do that.
03:56:07Paul_The_NerdYeah
03:57:00Paul_The_NerdI'm finding a few limitations in this forum software I can't seem to figure out a way around. For example, you can't say "Membergroup X has the ability to change peoples' membergroup to Y from normal members" you can only, apparently, give them full control of changing membergroups.
03:58:22Paul_The_NerdI'm still trying to learn how to bend this forum to my will.
03:58:29Febs:)
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04:00:53Paul_The_NerdThe problem is that if I allow a membergroup to assing membergroups, they can also edit them, arbitrarily creating more, etc. And while I trust the people I assign as experts, all it takes is one mistake, or one shared password, for something to go horribly wrong.
04:02:04Paul_The_NerdWhat I wanted was to create two "Expert" groups, identical as far as forumgoers can see, but one of them has some moderation abilities, and the ability to add new experts if/when necessary. A sort of Sr. Expert group.
04:02:44Paul_The_NerdThen again, if I make them a Sr. Expert, I clearly trust them a good bit, so it ought to be safe to leave them with that power.
04:02:45*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
04:02:52Paul_The_NerdIt's still an in-concept idea.
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04:03:42Paul_The_NerdBut at 500 new members a month, our forums are exploding from what they were.
04:05:24sharpeinstead of senior, you could do seer.
04:05:50Paul_The_NerdWell, on the forums they'll just be labelled as "Expert" like the others.
04:06:01sharpetrue
04:07:15sharpetwas just a suggestion for their alternate name.
04:08:35Paul_The_NerdAh, I found a mod for "Group moderators" that allows you to set people as moderators of a membergroup. Which is basically what I want.
04:08:48Paul_The_NerdUnfortunately, installing mods is not a power I have.
04:09:05Paul_The_NerdAnd I'm not sure if this qualifies as necessary enough to bother the appropriate person about it.
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04:17:15earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: what I'd like is a notation that indicated whether someone was a dev, an untrusted dev (like me) or a user
04:19:06Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Right now there is a developer notation, for those with commit access.
04:19:44earHertzyeah, I want for those without, like me
04:19:48Paul_The_NerdHehehe
04:20:03earHertzSo I know if I have to redplain things to them or not
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04:20:07earHertzexplain
04:20:14sharpei'd still stay under the expert tag... hooray :)
04:20:26earHertzfor a while I assumed most forum users were devs
04:21:01Paul_The_NerdWe'd need a simple one-word name for patch authors without commit access then, so we could have a logo similar to current ones.
04:21:15sharpeContributor ?
04:21:23Paul_The_NerdContributor is difficult.
04:21:28*earHertz nods at sharpe
04:21:32sharpelength?
04:21:38Paul_The_NerdMore, breadth of the term
04:21:41sharpeah.
04:21:42earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: Coder?
04:21:48sharpePatcher?
04:21:49Paul_The_NerdPeople who have written one note on one wiki page are technically a contributor.
04:21:56Paul_The_NerdHacker.
04:22:01Paul_The_NerdCoder
04:22:03Paul_The_NerdOne of those.
04:22:11Paul_The_NerdI think Patcher implies the power to apply patches.
04:22:17JdGordonCode Hacker...
04:22:18sharpeCodeHacker.
04:22:31Paul_The_NerdMaybe Submitter?
04:22:33midkaywhat what what.
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04:22:57midkaycoder sounds good..
04:23:06S0ap"Bug Creator"
04:23:09midkayi could whip one up in the current style of developer/expert.
04:23:18sharpesome people may take the 'hacker' title in the wrong context.
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04:23:25Paul_The_NerdThat is true.
04:23:27midkayagreed..
04:23:32midkaycoder sounds good to me.
04:23:38midkaybest of the suggestions at least..
04:23:40earHertzoh dear, you guys are young
04:24:01midkay..
04:24:03sharpeHacker is also a broad term...
04:24:18midkaycoder simply fits.
04:24:27midkayhacker can fit in one way, but it is quite broad.
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04:24:31Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Because we recognize that "Hacker" has a lot of risk when viewed by the external community, plus also if it were a bestowed badge it should be reserved for the ones who come up with the REALLY clever solutions?
04:24:54earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: yeah
04:25:12Paul_The_NerdBefore we finalize this group, we should come up with a few rules for what qualifies for entry.
04:25:21Paul_The_NerdHaving at least one patch committed?
04:25:28sharpemost likely.
04:25:45earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: for MY needs, I only care if someone has spent some time reading teh code
04:26:24sharpewhat about Composer for the name? :)
04:26:27JdGordonyay! i wont be a junior member anymore :D
04:26:39midkayJdGordon qualifies for coder most certainly :)
04:27:19Paul_The_NerdI think "Coder", with a requirement that they either have had one patch committed, as a general rule (flexible though)
04:27:46midkaylet me upload a gif..
04:27:50joshua_not being a developer, my opinion probably doesn't count for much, but were I a rockbox developer, I'd prefer "rockbox hacker"
04:28:12joshua_there's no confusion there as to "omg hax" with the rockbox qualifier
04:28:15baxmaniacErm, I just installed Rockbox and I use ipodlinux as well with IPL loader 2. but, now I when I select the apple firmware i get: File: (hd0,0/),osos Size: 50972 Type: Unknown!
04:28:25Paul_The_Nerdjoshua_: Yeah, well the core devs are already simply "Rockbox Developer"
04:28:33earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: to be fair, we should probbaly have a special name for peopel who make wpses too
04:28:43Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: Did you uninstall linux before installing Rockbox, or just try to install over?
04:28:52sharpeearHertz: Themeist ?
04:28:56baxmaniacinstalled it over
04:28:57joshua_Paul_The_Nerd, aha, I didn't know that
04:28:57zekeHi Guys: hate to interrupt, but here goes..... Mmmm on the rockbox forum suggested I come here to see if I can get some help with a boot hang problem: Here's the link: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5020.15 If anyone has the time to check it out I would really appreciate it. Zeke
04:29:17Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: How did you install it?
04:29:30sharpeooh. i can't help with the h140 problem.
04:29:42Paul_The_Nerdjoshua_: Yup, in the forums there are "Rockbox Developer" and "Rockbox Expert" groups (expert being manual writers, and people who have shown me they can give good support.)
04:29:43baxmaniacusing the color ipod manual pdf on the main page
04:29:56Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: So, you used ipodpatcher and ipod_fw?
04:30:02baxmaniacyes
04:30:07joshua_so I think that "hacker" goes well with it, and "developer" goes to "core developer"
04:30:07earHertzsharpe: yeah,
04:30:16joshua_rockbox + those, of course
04:30:20Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: Okay, did you keep the original of bootpartition.bin?
04:30:27baxmaniacyes
04:30:34joshua_up to you guys, of course.
04:30:51Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: Okay, leave the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox on your iPod, plug it in, and do "ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin" to write that file back.
04:31:02Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: Loader2 SHOULD detect rockbox.ipod without you needing to have patched the bootpartition again.
04:31:05midkayhttp://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9948/rockboxcoder8ld.gif
04:31:07baxmaniacalright thanks
04:31:19josh_folks: on the iPod, does Rockbox run from IRAM at all?
04:31:22sharpemidkay: good to see you still have that base image around. :)
04:31:34sharpebecause, we can't find it *anywhere*
04:31:39midkayit's not a base image, it's a photoshop document..
04:31:39Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: If that doesn't work, let us know
04:31:48midkaywho can't find it anywhere?
04:31:49Paul_The_Nerdjosh_: It uses some of it.
04:31:55sharpesarcasm.
04:32:05joshua_that's interesting, there appear to be multiple me ;)
04:32:12midkayoh, gosh, that's hilarity.
04:32:20earHertzon the ipod, does our code go into SRAM or IRAM?
04:32:25josh_Paul_The_Nerd: is certain stuff linked in there specially, or what?
04:32:27josh_earHertz: I just asked :-)
04:32:27sharpeyes, hence, the phrase "hilarity ensues" fits well.
04:32:30earHertzer
04:32:31josh_and it's SDRAM
04:32:34josh_the IRAM is SRAM
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04:32:47earHertzyeah, hardware is not my forte
04:32:52Paul_The_Nerdjosh_: You need to manually assign it to IRAM I believe.
04:32:56josh_ah
04:32:59josh_earHertz: are you doing that?
04:33:14earHertzNo
04:33:18josh_figured
04:33:23earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: how do you do that?
04:33:24Paul_The_NerdOkay, so, suggestions for a name for the Artists?
04:33:33midkayartists?
04:33:33Paul_The_NerdearHertz: No bloody clue, honestly.
04:33:34S0ap"Fingerpainter"
04:33:34sharpeArtist sounds fine.
04:33:46josh_earHertz: IRAM is blazing fast and uncached, so putting stuff there tends to make it faster - frees up the cache for better purposes
04:33:58*Paul_The_Nerd wishes he had FTP access to the forums.
04:34:16earHertzfrees up the cache for what, data?
04:34:17midkayPaul_The_Nerd, "artists"?
04:34:29josh_earHertz: yep
04:34:44josh_the ARM7TDMI doesn't have separate icache and dcache
04:34:45baxmaniacalright it works, one last question, can I access the playlists/songs from itunes in rockbox?
04:34:47josh_just one unified cache
04:34:48Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Artists was my suggestion, so I like it. :)
04:34:57earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: what do we put in IRAM?
04:35:01Paul_The_Nerdbaxmaniac: Songs yes, playlists no.
04:35:01josh_which means loading a TON of data at once is a bad idea, since it tends to force instructions out
04:35:04midkaywho gets it? what does it mean?
04:35:05Paul_The_NerdearHertz: It varies from codec to codec.
04:35:06sharpei agreed that it was good... :\
04:35:15Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: WPS Designers, primarily. Themers and etc.
04:35:18JdGordonmidkay: that "coder" part of the pic is almost unreadable for me.. can u change the colour ?
04:35:25josh_e.g. I once actually got a speed increase by turning a 12x-unrolled loop into an 8x-unrolled one.
04:35:26baxmaniacalright thank you Paul_The_Nerd
04:35:28midkayJdGordon, i can make it a bit darker, sure..
04:35:33earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: what about the lcd functions?
04:35:36midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah..
04:35:36Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'm not sure it's strictly necessary, but I'm thinking about it.
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04:35:44Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: earHertz suggested it.
04:35:57midkayPaul_The_Nerd, i dunno how many themers frequent the forums, but it might be cool if there were several..
04:36:06midkayif we've got like one user who's submitted one theme, though ....
04:36:17Paul_The_NerdearHertz: I really don't know. I'm not strong in a lot of parts of the code yet. In fact, I'm not even wholly sure who to ask about this one.
04:36:20earHertzjosh_: actually, I did have some questions about your decisoons in some of the asembly...
04:36:43josh_earHertz: ask away
04:36:47Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: If it only went to people whose themes got included in CVS, it might actually encourage people to create valid themes.
04:36:50midkayJdGordon, http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6681/rockboxcoder27eb.gif
04:36:55josh_earHertz: /msg me about it if you want, I don't know if they want us talking about it here
04:36:59midkayPaul_The_Nerd, perhaps, sure..
04:37:12JdGordonthats a bit better :)
04:37:24midkayas in.. could be even better? :)
04:37:37Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: At the very least, it's a way of saying "Thanks" to the few people who have done it. :)
04:37:39earHertzjosh_: from what I've read on ARM assembly (not ARMYTDMI specific), a branch costs about three cycles because it has to reload teh cache?
04:38:00midkayPaul_The_Nerd, sure, i'm all for it - i'm just saying (wondering aloud, more like) how many we've actually got.
04:38:26midkayJdGordon, fix your monitor - that one's certainly darker than the two images we've already got for dev and expert. :)
04:38:26Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, in terms of committed WPSes, not many.
04:38:55JdGordoncould be :D
04:38:58midkaymaybe a short page could explain rankings or something.. *shrugs* if only one or two people have it, most people won't really even notice it i bet, that's all.
04:39:01*Paul_The_Nerd wonders if he could convince Jeff to give him the ability to access the files for our forum.
04:39:15sharpeProbably somewhat easily...
04:39:18josh_earHertz: it's officially listed as 1N+2S
04:39:23midkayPaul_The_Nerd, if you need support, let me know :)
04:39:27Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Last time he had me email him the files. :)
04:39:34josh_and yes, that's the cost
04:39:35sharpemaybe not then...
04:39:39josh_ld is 1I+1S+1N
04:39:47josh_st is 2N
04:39:58*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
04:40:02Paul_The_NerdEither way.
04:40:05sharpetis worth a try.
04:40:14josh_ldm is 1I+1S+nN, stm is (n-1)N+1S I think.
04:40:23josh_N-cycles are about twice as long as I- and S-cycles
04:40:27josh_I- and S- are about the same length
04:40:44Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: When/if I introduce the two additional membergroups I'll post in the main forum explaining each of the groups and exactly what they mean, as well as conditions for entry into them.
04:40:45midkayyou should ask him..
04:40:55midkaythat's very good.
04:41:43Paul_The_NerdAnd I will ask him, because access to the forum's files will also allow me to install the security update it keeps reminding me about, as well as the mod that lets me set moderators of membergroups.
04:41:43sharpewhy not the remaining group conditions and such, for those that wonder?
04:41:54Paul_The_NerdThe remaining group conditions?
04:42:05sharpethe already existing ones
04:42:06midkayhow about.. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5484/rockboxartist8jv.gif
04:42:34sharpemidkay: what about... have something art-related on it... such as a pencil... :)
04:42:34Paul_The_NerdHahaha
04:42:45midkayhaha.
04:42:48Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: The Jr Member, Sr Member, Hero Member stuff?
04:42:48midkayhow about hell no.
04:42:50midkay:)
04:42:56Paul_The_NerdI think keeping it just text is good.
04:42:58midkayno, developer and expert..
04:43:03sharpePaul_The_Nerd: and the Expert and developer
04:43:05Paul_The_NerdI think I'd prefer if the artists were single-color like the rest though
04:43:14midkayit's cute!!!
04:43:14midkay:)
04:43:17Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Oh, I was including the Expert and Developer in "each of the groups" above.
04:43:26sharpeoh. right on then.
04:43:28midkayit's fruity. rainbowy.
04:43:29JdGordonPaul_The_Nerd: moderator of membergorups? so they can add/remove members form the gorup?
04:43:34midkayit's queer and delicious.
04:43:57Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: Specifically for Experts. I want to give an expert or two the ability to invite new experts as necessary, for example.
04:44:22Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I'd just go with the color you used for the S
04:44:56midkayPaul_The_Nerd, ah. puke-crap brown. good choice.
04:44:56midkay:)
04:45:03JdGordonk
04:45:36midkayi'm looking at this violet-magenta and liking it.. hold on.
04:45:43Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The I was brown, the S was purpleish
04:46:03midkayah.. then we're on the same page. :)
04:46:34midkayPaul_The_Nerd, http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8378/rockboxartist25fm.gif
04:46:54Paul_The_NerdI like the badges so that people have some idea where their information is coming from. A general purpose coder definitely helps with that, and I think an Artist one will just y'know, be nice.
04:47:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I think a *wee* bit more blue in that color would be nice in my book
04:47:43midkayPaul_The_Nerd, i really like the badges concept too for the same reason - i hope you didn't think i felt otherwise? :)
04:47:56sharpemidkay: because you get to make them?
04:47:57Paul_The_NerdNo, I just felt the need to restate it.
04:49:05midkaysharpe: you're just so funny. my sides.. they ache!
04:49:24sharpemidkay: yes, that's what i'm here for... comical relief...
04:49:36midkayyou mean comic relief?
04:49:37midkayPaul_The_Nerd, http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4812/rockboxartist4so.gif
04:49:51Paul_The_NerdThat's the rainbow one again
04:49:57midkaywhat.
04:50:02midkaygaaah.
04:50:04sharpeindeed.
04:50:17midkayhere. http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/5463/rockboxartist30vg.gif
04:50:57Paul_The_NerdThat looks better to me.
04:51:10midkaygood.
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05:05:24midkayrequest access!
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05:06:22Paul_The_NerdI did
05:07:36midkayyay.
05:08:33Paul_The_NerdMaybe that'll also allow me to allow people to be older than 37 years old
05:09:48earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: the forum has an age limit?
05:09:59midkayhaha.
05:10:00midkaywtf.
05:10:10Paul_The_NerdearHertz: You can't set a date earlier than... umm... I can't remember right now.
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05:16:40earHertzcrap, I'm oldr than 12/31/69
05:16:51midkayhaha.
05:16:55midkaynot like you cared to fill in your age!
05:16:55sharpeold man.
05:17:08sharpe:)
05:17:40earHertzthat's why I didn';t care to
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05:17:45Vaco_Animusok two quick questions
05:18:40midkay....?
05:18:51Vaco_Animus1) if i removed all the rockbox files and then installed ipod linux, if i uninstalled ipod linux at a later time could i just put the rockbox files back on and it would go to normal?
05:19:12Vaco_Animus2)does anyone here use ipod wizard?
05:20:20midkayipodwizard's homepage has a popular forum.
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05:20:58Vaco_Animusok
05:21:02midkayand that doesn't make any sense, "go back to normal". you don't just "put rockbox files on" or "put ipodlinux files on" and your ipod magically sets itself up to use them..
05:21:12Vaco_Animusok
05:21:24earHertzipod wizard? is that like ipod for the KKK?
05:21:35Vaco_Animuswell i was asking if i removed them would i have to go through all the steps again
05:21:49Vaco_Animusor could i just put them back on
05:21:54midkayyou'll probably end up installing iPL's bootloader, then you'll either choose to keep it or reinstall ours..
05:22:39sharpemidkay: do you still use that one that's customizable? :)
05:22:52Vaco_Animusthats what im asking, if i decide i dont like ipl then could i just move the rockbox files back on and it would be ready to go
05:22:55midkaysharpe, well, i haven't got around to uninstalling it yet!
05:23:05sharpeoh, of course.
05:23:10sharpewhat was i thinking...
05:23:11midkayVaco_Animus, *depending on what bootloader you choose*.
05:23:18sharpesomeone would ever actually like my work
05:23:25Vaco_Animus5g
05:23:25sharpesilly me.
05:23:30midkay"5g"?
05:23:36Vaco_Animusipod 5g
05:23:42midkayiPL has a bootloader, we have a bootloade.r
05:23:46midkayan ipod 5G is not a bootloader.
05:24:00midkaysharpe, nah, course not.. you went with 'wpz' so that really sucked and everybody hated it..
05:24:01sharpewe also have a special customizable bootloader
05:24:07midkayyou broke spinv so nobody cares about it..
05:24:10sharpethat only two people have..
05:24:18midkayand you gave up on c64emu so nobody likes it.
05:24:47Vaco_Animuswell if i took of ipl and put back the files from rockbox would i have to go through the install steps for rockbox again
05:25:04Vaco_Animusor would it work again if i just placed the files that i have on it now
05:25:09sharpei never broke spinv. it was broken from the beginning. :)
05:25:14midkayhaha.
05:25:33midkayVaco_Animus, that's not really a valid question, since installing iPL will probably have you putting on their bootloader.
05:25:48midkayif you want iPL, go ask them for help, and if you want rockbox back, come back and tell us your situation and/or read the docs.
05:28:18sharpethat's right. throwdown midkay.
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05:28:33Vaco_AnimusIF I REMOVED THERE BOOTLOADER AND THERE FILES WOULD I HAVE TO REINSTALL ROCKBOX
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05:28:51midkay"their", stop shouting, and i've already told you, it's not a valid question.
05:29:00midkay"coming off as an asshole" indeed.
05:29:13midkayalright, you want an answer. "yes".
05:29:21Vaco_Animusthank you
05:29:24midkayyou have to "reinstall" rockbox once you "removed there bootloader".
05:29:31midkaythat makes complete and total sense.
05:29:39midkayand i can answer that with a very simple "yes".
05:30:18Vaco_Animusim saying i go onto the drive cut out the rockbox files and paste them back in at a later time
05:30:31midkayjust reinstall a daily build.
05:30:38midkaybut that's not all of what rockbox is, some files on the disk.
05:30:53midkayjust forget it, if you need specific help later, come back or don't. or just don't install iPL.
05:31:14Vaco_Animusah fuck it its not worth all the hastle of explaining this
05:31:25Vaco_Animusdo you work at radio shack midkay
05:31:35midkayyeah, how'd you know.
05:31:50Paul_The_NerdWell if you just used more used the appropriate nouns for what you are referring to, and pay attention to the terms instead of calling iPods bootloaders, you might get more understandable help.
05:32:05midkaydon't even bother with this guy.. *sighs*
05:32:07Vaco_Animusbecause you act exactly like a radioshack employee
05:32:17Vaco_Animushe asked what bootloader im using
05:32:17midkayand he actually expects comprehensive help.
05:32:19Paul_The_NerdDid you install using ipod_fw and ipodpatcher?
05:32:25Vaco_Animusim using the one for the 5g
05:32:30Vaco_Animusthe one you told me to use
05:32:35Vaco_Animusyes
05:32:38Vaco_Animusi have rockbox on
05:32:40Vaco_Animusi like it
05:32:41Paul_The_NerdThen you're using the Rockbox bootloader
05:32:52Vaco_Animusbut i want to see the dif between ipl and it
05:33:03Paul_The_NerdThe iPodLinux bootloader can also load Rockbox, so in a question involving both, it is a valid question to ask whether you're using theirs or ours.
05:33:35Vaco_Animusi was asking if i took it of my pod by cutting it trying ipl outt and removing ipl, could i just paste all my rockbox files back on and it would work
05:33:38Paul_The_NerdIn all honestly, your best bet for installing iPodLinux is to completely uninstall Rockbox (ipodpatcher -w N bootpartition.bin) first.
05:33:48Vaco_Animusor would i have to go back through and install it
05:33:54Paul_The_NerdYou have to go back through.
05:33:59Vaco_Animusok
05:34:00Paul_The_NerdAnd oddly enough, that's the easy method.
05:34:05midkayyou can't just "cut" rockbox. nor once it's uninstalled "paste" it.
05:34:10Vaco_Animusthats what i wanted to do
05:34:27Vaco_Animuswhat is the difference between ipl and rockbox
05:34:56midkayhaha.
05:34:57Paul_The_NerdGo read their site and feature list, then read ours.
05:35:11Paul_The_NerdOne is an operating system, the other is a music player firmware.
05:35:31Vaco_Animuscan you tell me if theres is more graphically appeasing then rockbox
05:35:40midkayhahaha.
05:36:08midkayit looks nice but it doesn't do much as far as actually using a DAP as a DAP instead of a game/demo machine. sounds perfect for you.
05:36:12Paul_The_NerdThe menus can look better than ours.
05:36:23Paul_The_NerdYeah, you probably would prefer iPL
05:36:53Vaco_Animusok does it shut down like rockbox so i can boot up in apple firmware
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05:37:43buzzardhi all
05:37:52Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: It's NOT OUR SOFTWARE. Why do you expect us to know all about it?
05:38:05Vaco_Animusbecause you guys have all been curious
05:38:08Paul_The_NerdTry #ipodlinux for questions regarding it.
05:38:21Paul_The_NerdMany of us have never installed it. Ever.
05:38:56midkaywe aren't curious as to how "cool" our ipods can look visually or how many games we can stuff on it.
05:39:09buzzardguys i have a question i had installed the custome rockbox pack and when i try to play mp3's it gives me an error stating codec error
05:39:13midkaywe want something that works and works well for what the DAP was designed for. music playback.
05:39:30midkayget a gameboy or something. sheesh.
05:39:36Paul_The_Nerdbuzzard: Being a "custom" build, you need to ask whoever made it. It's unofficial
05:39:50buzzardahh i see thanks
05:41:18buzzarddam it
05:41:28buzzardryran made this patchand hes not on
05:41:37buzzardi mean this custome build
05:41:50Paul_The_NerdWell, you've already posted in the forums.
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05:41:58buzzardyea i did
05:41:58Paul_The_NerdJust have patience, or reinstall an official version.
05:42:18buzzardyea i reinstalled the latest bleeding edge on
05:42:24sharpewhat's that quote... (or proverb?) "Patience is a virtue."
05:42:31buzzardyea
05:42:36buzzardthat correct sharpe
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05:42:52buzzardi have another question
05:43:08buzzardumm i have pacbox in my plugins menu
05:43:08Paul_The_NerdGo ahead
05:43:17buzzardbut when i trying playing it dosn't laod up
05:43:31buzzardwhats going on with that
05:43:31Paul_The_Nerdhttp://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:6lGxbrsAuNEJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox+PluginPacbox&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
05:44:30buzzardthanks paul
05:44:44buzzardits says something about mame on that page
05:44:51buzzardis the rock box able to play mame also
05:44:54Paul_The_NerdNope
05:45:02buzzardahh i see
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05:45:17Paul_The_NerdPacbox just requires the same Roms as MAME does for playing Pacman.
05:46:27buzzardohh i see
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05:56:39buzzardhey i wanted to know can rockbox read pdf files
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05:56:48sharpebuzzard: nope.
05:56:58buzzardohh i see
05:57:15buzzardwill this be something that will be implemented
05:57:22buzzardin the future
05:57:48Paul_The_NerdIf someone does it.
05:57:51sharpenot unless someone takes it upon themself to do so
05:58:06buzzardcasue its very useful sometimes i like to read magaines on the go
05:58:13buzzardand i would like to put it in my ipod
05:58:16buzzardso i can read it
05:58:26buzzardbut it dosn't support pdf
05:58:29Paul_The_NerdWell, as has been said, if someone does it, it'll happen.
05:58:39buzzardic
05:58:50Paul_The_NerdThere are plenty of core things to be worked on, so odds are someone external would have to do it.
05:59:32buzzardyea i know there alot of stuff but people who realeas stuff on there own means there making a patch and that means compiling
05:59:40buzzardi have alot of trouble with it
05:59:54buzzardi mad a whole big topic
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06:00:03Paul_The_NerdWell when the feature freeze ends, a lot of those patches will start to get included in the main build again.
06:00:51buzzardwhen will the rockbox finish it fxing
06:00:56buzzardfixing
06:01:04sharpewhen it does
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06:01:37buzzardwhen will they release the offical release with gold the bugfixes fixed
06:01:39buzzarddo you know
06:01:46buzzardi read sometime in nov
06:01:55sharpewhen it's finished, really...
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06:02:31buzzardalright iam out see ya guys
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06:20:15Vaco_Animusdoes anyone know how to change a theme on ipod wizard
06:20:23Vaco_Animusi dont get the tutoriAL
06:20:57Vaco_Animusanyone
06:21:03sharpethere is a ipodwizard irc channel... on another network...
06:21:03Vaco_Animusim using images
06:21:20Vaco_Animuswere i couldn't find the address
06:21:22Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: Please, this is the Rockbox channel.
06:21:44Paul_The_NerdIt's not even an iPod-only channel. Its a Rockbox-only channel
06:21:44Vaco_Animuswell i know a few people on this channel are members of that community
06:22:18Paul_The_NerdJust because people in an office building also play baseball, doesn't mean you should walk into their offices and start asking about the rules of the sport.
06:22:35Vaco_Animuswhy not
06:22:41Vaco_Animusthats being friendly
06:22:48Vaco_Animusyou have similar interests
06:23:04Vaco_Animusif i knew the irc channel name id go
06:23:53Jungti1234hehehe
06:24:13Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: Why don't you ask in, say, the ipodwizard forums?
06:24:21Jungti1234hahahahaha......
06:24:23Jungti1234funny
06:24:40Vaco_Animusbecause i don't want to make a login if they have an irc channel
06:25:33midkaythey don't.
06:25:36Paul_The_NerdYet instead of trying to use google or some other method, you ask in an inappropriate channel.
06:25:38midkayso sign up and quit asking.
06:25:55Vaco_Animuswhy
06:26:06midkay"why"?.. this is not #ipodwizard.
06:26:11midkaymost of us haven't even touched it or heard of it.
06:26:18Vaco_Animusjesus why are you guys so self cenetred
06:26:25midkaythis channel isn't even ipod-specific, let alone related to ipodwizard.
06:26:25Vaco_Animusmidkay i know your a memeber there
06:26:42midkayyes, i am. i'm not willing to help, nor is anyone here. so register and ask.
06:26:42Paul_The_NerdHow is it being self centered to actually *respect* a channel topic?
06:26:42Vaco_Animuswhich means you must have tried the program
06:26:47Jungti1234stop
06:26:51Vaco_Animuswell lest see
06:26:57Vaco_Animusno one was talking
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06:27:05Vaco_Animusso i asked a question
06:27:13Vaco_Animusthen you guys all snap out of your comas
06:27:22Vaco_Animusjust to yell
06:27:26midkayand attack the idiot. yes.
06:27:29Jungti1234Useless.
06:27:30Paul_The_NerdBecause we're here to help with Rockbox related issues.
06:27:38Vaco_Animusno you dont
06:27:55Vaco_Animusyou guys just yell then to and say read the manual if you have the answers
06:27:56Paul_The_NerdThere are several HUNDRED people who would disagree with that statement.
06:28:01Paul_The_NerdAnd that's just people I personally have helped.
06:28:09midkayi wish we could get Paul_The_Nerd channel ops or something.
06:28:24Paul_The_NerdHere's the trick. We help people who demonstrate that they've attempted to help themselves.
06:28:33Vaco_Animusi wish you guys could help people
06:28:40Jungti1234Have composure of mind.
06:28:50Vaco_Animusive spent countless hours trying to fix it myself
06:28:57Vaco_Animusand you guys dont help
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06:29:05Paul_The_NerdThis means that they've followed the instructions, and have picked up the terms from them, so that they can ask clear and concise questions such as "I've tried installing, but ipodpatcher.exe tells me that the firmware is too large for the bootpartition." Several proper nouns, and a clear stating of the problem telling us where they're actually having problems.
06:29:07Jungti1234There is no reason to get angry to him.
06:29:16Jungti1234Ignore.
06:29:16midkayVaco_Animus, well, you're honestly very clueless.
06:29:19Vaco_Animusor when you do you act like im asking you for a liver instead of a yes or no answer
06:29:28Vaco_Animuswhy do you think im asking?
06:29:33Vaco_Animusio know nothing of ipods
06:29:38Vaco_Animusand i needed help
06:29:52midkayVaco_Animus, and the funny thing is that when you do get your question answered you get all upset over the wording or suggestion..
06:29:52Jungti1234Strange guys...
06:30:24Vaco_Animusbecause you expect concise questions but you cant return concise answers
06:31:06midkayyou asked a question, got an answer and a suggestion, and got pissed because you were offered such a suggestion.. several times. just in case you're wondering why nobody likes or wants to help you.
06:31:32Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: You also have typed in all caps, and repeated questions more than once even when someone has attempted to help you.
06:32:41Vaco_Animuswho has attempted
06:32:46Paul_The_NerdNot this question
06:32:50Paul_The_NerdBecause you're asking in the wrong place.
06:33:00Vaco_Animusyou all get frustrated when i try to ask a question because i dont understand
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06:33:14Vaco_Animusthen you phrase it in a way a common man can't understand
06:33:19Vaco_Animusso i get even more lost
06:33:46Paul_The_NerdIf it's phrased in a way you don't understand, then ask about whatever part you didn't get, and state clearly why you didn't understand it.
06:34:03Paul_The_NerdWe don't intentionally phrase answers to be cryptic. We state them in the way we feel is the best way to state them.
06:34:14Paul_The_NerdAnd in fact, on average, people understand what we say to them.
06:34:19midkayand not like "JUST TELL ME THE ANSWER ALREADY".
06:35:32Vaco_Animusthe only time i type in caps is when you are telling me stuff i don't know and i am saying it in that manner so that maybe you will get the point of what im trying to make
06:35:55Paul_The_Nerd"Just tell me the answer already" is very different from "I don't understand what you mean by that."
06:35:56midkaycaps just makes people dislike you (even more than they already do) and not want to help.
06:36:03Paul_The_Nerd"Just tell me the answer already" means that you think you haven't been given it.
06:36:14midkaybbiab..
06:36:32Vaco_Animusi never said just tell me the answer already
06:37:16*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
06:37:22Paul_The_NerdI haven't been here for all of it, so I wouldn't know.
06:37:24Jungti1234hmm
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06:37:28Jungti1234stop Paul :)
06:37:46Vaco_Animuswell you are putting words in my mouth
06:39:14Paul_The_NerdWhat you have specifically done is re-asked the same question in all caps when someone was already trying to answer it.
06:39:40Vaco_Animuswho was trying to answer honestly
06:39:48Vaco_Animusyou say read it yourself
06:39:56Vaco_Animuswhen it is a yes or no question
06:40:04Vaco_Animusand someone knows the answer to
06:40:34Paul_The_NerdMidkay tried to answer you honestly regarding the bootloader, but first he had to ask you some questions because you were using terms incorrectly so he didn't know what you meant
06:40:46Paul_The_NerdInstead of taking it as an attempt to answer, you got offended, and yelled the question again.
06:41:00Vaco_Animusand i thought for the bootloader he meant for which ipod
06:41:09Vaco_Animusand he taunted me for it after that
06:41:17Paul_The_NerdNo, he said the 5G is not a bootloader.
06:41:23Vaco_Animusso i got mad because all im trying to do is learn
06:41:25Vaco_Animusbull
06:41:26Paul_The_NerdWhich should rather clearly tell you that's not what he was asking.
06:42:04Paul_The_NerdVaco_Animus: He specifically said "an ipod 5G is not a bootloader." as well as telling you that iPL has a bootloader and we have a bootloader so you'd know what distinction he was making
06:42:07Paul_The_NerdI'm reading the log right now.
06:42:19Vaco_Animuswell i left the chat but he said a comment about how i couldnt understand because im a guy who thinks 5g is not a bootloader
06:42:47Vaco_Animusis*
06:44:07Paul_The_NerdI'm not spotting him saying the word "Understand" at all.
06:44:32Vaco_Animusits not a direct quote
06:44:37Vaco_Animusbut it was around that
06:45:00Paul_The_NerdI don't really see anything similar to that.
06:45:55Paul_The_NerdHe doesn't say anywhere that you couldn't understand, or anything very similar to it at all.
06:46:40Paul_The_NerdI would suggest in the future that you try to assume the best of people trying to help you, and even if they do seem impolite, don't get offended, as if they are honestly trying to help, and you start being a jerk, they'll return the attitude.
06:47:07Paul_The_NerdMany people here assume at least some decent level of technical proficiency simply because you're installing an alternative firmware on an MP3 player.
06:47:34Vaco_Animusto be honest the only decent person here is linux
06:47:43Vaco_Animusor who at least shows it
06:47:52Paul_The_NerdI tried to help you with the CVS issue as well
06:48:15Vaco_Animusyah but you gave up
06:48:25Paul_The_NerdBecause I didn't have any more ideas.
06:48:30Paul_The_NerdAm I supposed to lie and make stuff up?
06:48:52Paul_The_NerdIf you fault someone for saying "I can't fix it" then 6 billion people are also at fault for not helping you with your CVS issues.
06:49:05Vaco_Animuswell im not saying you were wrong for helping but linux researched it while helping me
06:49:15Vaco_Animusand understood that i didnt understand
06:50:10Paul_The_NerdWell, here are some things you need to understand:
06:50:35Paul_The_Nerd1) People will try to help you, but in most cases the answers will start technical. Say "I don't understand what you're trying to explain" rather than repeating the question.
06:51:02Paul_The_Nerd2) If people ask you questions, no matter how they're phrased, it's best to assume that they merely have poor social skills, and are just trying to find out more about your problem, not making fun of you for not knowing how to ask a question.
06:51:22Paul_The_Nerd3) Ask questions in the appropriate place. This means not coming to the #rockbox channel to ask about software that we do not make or support.
06:52:17Paul_The_NerdTrying as hard as possible to ask clear questions that _show_ you've tried to do the work yourself first, and asking the questions in the right place, are considered nearly essential etiquette in open source projects.
06:52:36Paul_The_NerdIn fact, while midkay was less than polite with you, in some place you'll get a much worse reception than even here.
06:53:36MrStaticVoidreminds me of http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
06:54:46Paul_The_NerdMrStaticVoid: That link is in my forum signature, actually. :)
06:55:07MrStaticVoidoh, i havent noticed
06:55:18MrStaticVoidit should be the topic :-D
06:55:19Jungti1234hm
06:55:20Paul_The_NerdI don't think many people in the forums have. Hehehe
06:56:02Jungti1234my way of thinking is different from you..... Also..
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07:00:00joshua_MrStaticVoid, the other neat thing is (loading; I wish firefox would give me the bookmark while it was loading...)
07:00:04joshua_http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=143
07:01:10joshua_hmm, so my ipod has been sitting connected to the PC for power, sitting in hold mode for the past couple hours
07:01:15joshua_(paused, untouched)
07:01:26joshua_yet, it didn't go into sleep mode.. idle poweroff is set for 10m, though.
07:01:33joshua_battery appears not to have charged any, either.
07:02:39Paul_The_NerdWhich ipod have ye?
07:03:17joshua_Photo
07:03:32Paul_The_NerdAh
07:04:15Paul_The_NerdRight now the iPods only draw I believe 100mah from USB while in Rockbox, so some of them don't charge.
07:04:44joshua_ah
07:04:52Paul_The_NerdIt also won't ever go into sleep mode while charging, I believe. Which is actually a good thing, because if it did, it'd immediately reboot into either disk mode, or if hooked up to a wall charger, continual rebooting
07:05:01Paul_The_NerdMy Nano charges fine.
07:05:08joshua_yeah, I get continual rebooting with a wall charger if I plug it in without holding menu.
07:05:20Paul_The_NerdThe real best way to charge is to load the AppleOS
07:05:22Paul_The_NerdNot even disk mode.
07:05:26Paul_The_NerdBut the real Apple OS
07:06:00joshua_I tried to compile a rockbox that didn't require me to hold menu, but the .got section evidently overlapped .text, according to the linker
07:06:04joshua_hmm, how do I boot the apple OS?
07:06:35Paul_The_NerdShut down the iPod. Turn it on by pressing the Menu button, and continue holding it until you see "Loading Original Firmware..."
07:06:41Paul_The_NerdTry not to wiggle your finger and trigger scrolls.
07:07:11joshua_looking for shut down...
07:07:29Paul_The_NerdHold Play/Pause...
07:07:39joshua_I see
07:07:43joshua_thanks
07:08:12Paul_The_NerdNo problem
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07:09:04*joshua_ drops it on the charger
07:09:49joshua_is there any code profiling support in rockbox? the UI seems a little laggy to me; I'd like to try to track that down
07:10:16JdGordonyes, iirc there is
07:10:22Paul_The_NerdI believe there is, yes.
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07:10:30Paul_The_NerdI don't know any more than that though
07:10:42joshua_I guess I'll wait for the wiki to come back on that one.
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07:10:59joshua_I think right now, actually, I'm just going to go to sleep :)
07:11:00Paul_The_NerdI don't know for sure, but it may only exist as a patch
07:11:07joshua_hmmm
07:11:22JdGordonno im pretty sure its a configure option.. so its there
07:11:26JdGordonno idea how to use it tho
07:11:33joshua_does the UI run as a thread that can be ripped out like other segments (just compiled in)?
07:11:59JdGordoni tinhk so
07:12:19joshua_hmmm
07:12:34joshua_lots of interesting metrics to be taken to increase performance.
07:12:44joshua_I wonder if the display has anything wacky like double-buffering to reduce tearing.
07:13:06joshua_oh well. really got to sleep.
07:13:10joshua_hack on it more tomorrow night.
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07:51:55midkaygosh, Paul_The_Nerd. :)
07:56:16Paul_The_NerdQue?
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07:57:11Harryhello
07:57:23Harryi uninstalled rockbox
07:57:33Harryi didnt like it that much
07:57:42Harrythe themes look sick
07:57:57Harrybut i like to mange my music easly
07:58:03|apo|So?
07:58:15Harryfor a future request i would like
07:58:23Harryitunes support
07:58:38Harrylapol
07:58:40|apo|Haha
07:58:42Harry?
07:59:13Harrywats funny
07:59:17|apo|I'm using rockbox to get away from iTunes, because it's a horrible software
07:59:22Paul_The_NerdiTunes support?
07:59:25Harry...
07:59:35Harrywats wrong with itunes
07:59:37Paul_The_NerdFiletree is pretty darn easy to handle.
07:59:44Paul_The_NerdAs well, TagCache can index your iTunes music
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08:00:07Harrybut it does organize it like itunes
08:00:10Harrydoes it
08:00:15midkayPaul_The_Nerd, just.. your incredible patience with which you assist some people.. :)
08:00:23Paul_The_NerdWhat do you even mean by "organize it like iTunes?"
08:00:30Harrylike
08:00:35Paul_The_NerdiTunes doesn't run on your iPod anyway, so the music on your iPod isn't organized like iTunes either
08:00:37Harrydrag and drop
08:00:46Harryeasy to make playlist
08:01:00Paul_The_NerdYou can make playlists on the player itself, very easily.
08:01:11|apo|And even name them
08:01:15Harrywat tagcache
08:01:16|apo|Not on the go 1232134
08:01:18Paul_The_NerdAs well, it supports M3U playlists, which nearly every music program supports.
08:01:31Harrypaul hmm
08:01:35Jungti1234uh
08:01:36midkayit's too bad he gave you no credit for the long time you spent trying to help him yesterday or so..
08:01:41Jungti1234:)
08:01:51Harrylong time
08:01:56Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I get no credit because I couldn't *solve* the problem. The effort doesn't count unless it concludes with a solution.
08:01:56Harrylmfao
08:02:10Paul_The_NerdHarry: He's not talking about you.
08:02:18Harryoo
08:02:21midkayHarry, no, sorry, not you.
08:02:29Paul_The_NerdHarry: Anyway, if you don't like Rockbox, don't use it, but iTunes support is very unlikely. There's really no reason for it.
08:02:36Harrypaul ill try it again
08:02:45Paul_The_NerdAs it is, TagCache can show your songs in Artist/Album/Genre view anyway.
08:02:47Harrywats tagcache
08:03:08Paul_The_Nerdhttp://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+site:www.rockbox.org+tagcache&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
08:03:10Harryand how do i shut off ipod
08:03:19Paul_The_NerdHold Play/Pause
08:03:32Harrybut that puts into sleep
08:03:41midkayPaul_The_Nerd, yeah, i suppose.. also as to my "less than polite" behavior (thanks for the not-so-harsh way of putting it) - he's talked to me over AIM several times in the past week or more, asking for the most obvious Doom/pacbox questions that are all in the wiki and stuff like that..
08:03:42Paul_The_NerdNo, in Rockbox it shuts it off.
08:04:07Harryrockbox it does
08:04:14Harrybut no apple os
08:04:16Paul_The_NerdHarry: Well, this is the *Rockbox* channel
08:04:25Paul_The_NerdSo if you don't specify that you're in AppleOS we kinda assume you're in Rockbox
08:04:26Harry...
08:04:35Harrylol
08:04:37Harrysrry
08:04:47Paul_The_NerdAppleOS doesn't feature shutting down.
08:04:58Paul_The_NerdThe closest you've got is holding Menu+Select to reboot.
08:05:51Harryhmm
08:05:52Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: In his small defense, the wiki was down recently, but I really don't see anything wrong with his behaviour. You seemed (from my perspective) to try at first, and then lose patience with him. At least you tried.
08:06:24Harrypaul
08:06:37Paul_The_NerdYes Harry?
08:06:41Harryhow do i install ipl loader
08:06:45midkayPaul_The_Nerd, yeah, when he asked me about all that, the wiki was still up.. it was days before..
08:06:52Harrysince its better
08:07:04Paul_The_NerdHarry: 1) I don't think it's better. 2) Ask that in #ipodlinux
08:07:10Harryk
08:07:19agnePaul_The_Nerd: how do you search for cached websits :D
08:07:54Harrypaul is ipl anygood have u tried it
08:07:55Paul_The_Nerdagne: Search for the website as normal (go to google, type site:www.rockbox.org keyword), then just click the "cached" link under the one you want.
08:08:04Paul_The_NerdHarry: It's not very good for music playing at all.
08:08:19Harrydoes it play video
08:09:02Harrypaul is #ipod linux on same server
08:10:02Paul_The_NerdIt plays uncompressed video.
08:10:06Paul_The_NerdAnd #ipodlinux should be, yes.
08:10:29Paul_The_NerdYup, it's there. Just peeked in.
08:11:45Harrypaul
08:11:48Harrykick me
08:12:26Paul_The_Nerd?
08:12:52Paul_The_NerdKick you?
08:15:09Jungti1234;;;
08:15:55markunJungti1234: korean language file is updated
08:16:09Jungti1234Confirmed.
08:16:12*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why it's so common that people assumes he can do stuff like that.
08:16:13Jungti1234thanks. :)
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08:18:45neighborsHi, would anybody be willing to /msg me some short instructions on getting rockbox working on an iaudio X5? The online documentation is missing the bootloader section for the X5
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08:19:56Paul_The_Nerdneighbors: http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:ac_cBAKQ5MwJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot+site:www.rockbox.org+iaudioboot&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
08:20:05Paul_The_NerdThe files that go with it can be found at the mirror listed in the channel topic
08:20:21neighborsPaul_The_Nerd: thanks
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08:29:15amiconnSlasheri: I don't think the fix you committed is a clean solution. Something causes tc.dirlevel to loose track, which needs to be found & fixed.
08:39:06Slasheriamiconn: yep, i also think this as a temporary solution
08:39:52Slasherii think adding the virtual dir support and redesigning the tagcache browsing code might fix that
08:41:43amiconnHmm. A comment would be helpful for later
08:42:42JdGordon:) u added my band-aid fix
08:43:16amiconnI think the tagcache browsing code looses track of tc.dirlevel under the observed conditions, i.e. when tagcache isn't initialised
08:44:47amiconnThe virtual dir won't happen too soon because it has some implementation implications. The multivolume virtual dirs are handled at the filesystem level, so the question remains how to hook a tagcache virtual dir as tagcache is application level
08:46:06amiconnOtoh, if we find a solution, the tagcache virtual dir will probably solve the problem with tagcache and playlists - tagcache will behave like a virtual file system
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08:49:09neighborsIs there a place that shows the current status and implemented features of the iaudio rockbox?
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08:56:45LinusNneighbors: yes, in the (currently down) wiki
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08:56:58neighborsAh
08:57:15neighborsMy iaudio main menu looks nothing like that in the manual, for one, I have no themes menu
08:57:26neighborsSo I was going to see if maybe themes were not implemented yet for the iaudio
08:58:54LinusNyes they are
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09:12:23spiral8neeed help !!???
09:12:41midkayno you don't.
09:12:56spiral8can i install voice files in iPod video ?
09:13:05spiral8ya i really want
09:13:06midkaysure.
09:13:18spiral8i've downloaded voice file ..
09:13:34spiral8bt whr to install tht file .. i mean i dont kno wht to do with it ?
09:16:41*spiral8 slaps midkay around a bit with a large trout
09:16:53midkayi shut up because i'm not sure.
09:17:17spiral8ohhh den it fine :P
09:17:45spiral8anyways ... i'll work around to do tht ... or else will come back here again !
09:18:13midkayi think /.rockbox/lang or langs..
09:18:16midkayor /.rockbox/voice.
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09:22:50spiral8k i'll give a try thanx man
09:23:00midkaynp.
09:25:14peturer... in the lang folder
09:25:45ravonWhat's the URL for the X5 bootloader? The wiki seems to be screwed up atm.
09:25:49peturand then enable voice in the settings
09:26:02peturravon: see channel topic
09:26:06ravonooops
09:26:08ravonthanks :D
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09:34:13ravonWhen is the boost ratio considered "bad"?
09:34:27ravonie, when is it draining too many cycles?
09:34:45peturwhen it goes near 100%?
09:34:55peturlower = better
09:35:06ravonHmmm, is 60-70% acceptable?
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09:36:32petur60-70% says 'please optimize me' ;)
09:36:50ravon:D
09:37:12ravondamn, and this is still only in 8bit 22KHz :/
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09:41:36spiral8hey petur ... thnx i''lll du tht now
09:41:38spiral8;)
09:42:20JdGordonfucking uni marks!
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10:47:39Loeckchenhiho
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10:56:35apikorosi just changed my gf's ipod mini to rockbox, she's going to kill me
10:56:54Loeckchendoes it run?
10:57:18Loeckchenbtw: has anyone managed to install a recent amarok (1.4) on mac osx without using X?
10:57:29apikoroswell, it boots −− i haven't played anything yet −− transferring some music atm
10:57:30Loeckcheni'm currently doing the fink approach but this one requires X11
10:58:03Loeckchenbut i need a recent xcode, still have 2.0 installed - and the fink version of amarok needs at least xcode 2.2 to compile
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11:00:20linuxstbearHertz: I've been reading your lcd_update discussions (ipod video). Yes, the Rockbox lcd_update_rect() function is in IRAM - this is done with the ICODE_ATTR macro which tells the linker to put the code in the .icode section. The startup code in crt0.S will then copy it IRAM when Rockbox is started.
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11:00:59linuxstbIf you want to do the same with hotdog's ASM function, you need to specify ".section .icode" in the .S file
11:01:10linuxstb(see the files in firmware/common/ for examples)
11:01:27Jungti1234anyone have fwpatcher?
11:01:52Loeckchenlook at the topic
11:02:05Loeckchenyou can get it from http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki
11:02:22Jungti1234haha.. sorry
11:03:13Loeckchenthere are directories with the names of the appropriate wiki entries
11:03:21Loeckchenand under these directories the files can be found
11:04:16Jungti1234yep
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11:04:21Jungti1234thanks
11:05:17Loeckcheni am currently installing win2k in a vmware on my server box
11:05:23Loeckchenso i can reformat my 4G with fat32
11:05:45Loeckchenit currently has hfs on it
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11:06:26apikorosthere's sound! :)
11:06:36apikorosLoeckchen, OS X does not support fat32?!
11:06:38Jungti1234bug?
11:07:08_FireFly_apikoros: that's not true
11:07:25Loeckchenit supports fat32
11:07:28_FireFly_OS X can read from and write to fat32 disks
11:07:41Loeckchenbut it can't convert an ipod to fat32
11:07:48_FireFly_but i don't know if you can format a disk with fat32 under Mac OS X
11:08:04apikorosthere's no implementation of mkdosfs?
11:08:10apikorosit should compile under darwin
11:09:33Loeckchenyou can
11:09:41Loeckcheni'll now try to convert my ipod to fat32
11:09:50apikoroswah, the various clickwheel buttons behave differently
11:10:05apikorosLoeckchen, did you just google it?
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11:11:27Loeckcheni am currently vierwing the wiki page on this topic from the google cache
11:11:58apikorosah, there's no way my gf will go for this, buttons behave too differently than what she's used to
11:12:10apikorosi'll have to keep rockbox on my iriver and stupid apple firmware on her ipod
11:12:31apikorosi get nausous just looking at its retarded directory structure
11:12:34Loeckcheni want to try rockbox because it supports ogg
11:12:50apikorosLoeckchen, rockbox is better
11:12:57apikorosmy gf just won't have the patience to learn a new interface
11:13:07Loeckchenbut unfortunately you can't sync with itunes
11:13:09apikorosbut yah, it supports flac, ogg, wav, mp3, etc.
11:13:36apikorosyou can just sync it with your music dir
11:13:39Loeckcheni have grown attached to itunes so i want to try to get amarok running on osx
11:13:50apikorosiTunes is bloated garbage IMO
11:13:56apikorosbut to each his own
11:13:58Loeckchenyeah, just use a cp -Ru ^^
11:14:13Loeckchenmy 4G is 40gb big and my collection has some 30gb
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11:18:32Loeckchenmy 4g is currently being reformatted with fat32
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11:42:38Loeckchenmy ipod doesn't mount
11:42:44JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/2619 can be closed ye? there has been a remote lock icon for ages
11:44:15peturafaicr, yes
11:44:36Loeckchenoh does rockbox not work with firewire?
11:44:43Loeckchenit only mounts on usb
11:44:51JdGordonye
11:45:15Loeckchengotta get an usb2.0 hub then
11:45:23peturdoesn't rockbox use the original ipod firmware for connecting?
11:45:46peturmaybe we don't detect the firewire connection being made
11:46:24Loeckchenhow do i switch off rockbox?
11:46:37Loeckchenoh the same as the original f/w
11:47:35LoeckchenOK it does only mount on USB
11:47:45Loeckchenwith firewire, it gets switched on but boots into rockbox
11:49:50amiconnLoeckchen: You can switch to disk mode manually
11:50:07amiconnReboot the ipod, and while it's booting, press Select+Play
11:50:28amiconnAnd yes, we don't detect firewire connections (yet)
11:52:50Loeckchenokay, thanks
11:53:16Loeckcheni have now made an fstab entry on my server box for /dev/sdc2 which is always my ipod
11:53:27Loeckchenso a user can mount it on /media/ipod
11:53:38Loeckchenand use a cp -Ruf to copy over the music
11:54:17_FireFly_Loeckchen: you could also use a udev rule (if you have udev running) to name the dave /dev/ipod* :)
11:54:32Loeckchenit's ubuntu dapper amd64-xeon
11:54:37Loeckchenso it is running udev
11:54:54_FireFly_s/dave/device
11:55:00Loeckchenbut i'm a REAL noob with udev ^^
11:55:31Loeckchenthe amd64-xeon kernel of ubuntu is the one for xeon and pentium-d/pentium4 with em64t
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11:57:43_FireFly_Loeckchen: eg for my iriver h120 i have this rule:
11:57:45_FireFly_# Iriver H120
11:57:45_FireFly_BUS=="usb", SYSFS{manufacturer}=="iRiver ", SYSFS{product}=="iRiver iHP-100 Series",KERNEL="sd*", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="iriver%n"
11:58:06Loeckchenand this generates a /dev/iriver(number) entry?
11:58:33_FireFly_the info for SYSFS{manufacturer} and SYSFS{product} can you retrieve via udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sd*
11:58:36_FireFly_Loeckchen: yes
11:58:52Loeckchenokay i will try it after the music is copied
11:58:55_FireFly_and it is only a symlink to the real /dev/sd* device
11:59:16Loeckchenand how can i manage a auotmount?
11:59:18Loeckchenautomount
11:59:39_FireFly_maybe you need other SYSFS atributes which indentify the ipod
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12:00:26Loeckchenbut from the first impressions with the menu, rockbox seems very well-made
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12:01:51Loeckchenthe fonts come into the dir .rockbox/fonts?
12:01:59peturyes
12:02:04Loeckchenokay, i forgot these
12:02:30peturdon't forget to browse for a nice theme
12:03:33apikorosLoeckchen, if you unzip them into the root directory with full path, they'll go into the right folder
12:04:08Loeckcheni have installed the bleeding edge build
12:04:17Loeckchenit came without fonts
12:04:36peturthis is to reduce bandwidth on the server
12:05:07peturas many people download the bleeding edge to upgrade
12:05:25peturand the fonts almost never change
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12:10:40Loeckchenso, i copied the fonts-dir to /.rockbox
12:10:48Loeckcheni.e. it's now /.rockbox/fonts
12:10:52Loeckcheni guess it is correct
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12:50:17Loeckchenmh, rockbox doesn't find the fonts
12:50:22Loeckcheni copied the fonts dir to .rockbox
12:50:32Loeckchenor is it the wrong location
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13:08:47peturLoeckchen: /.rockbox/fonts
13:09:39Loeckchenit works now
13:09:50Loeckcheni copied the bdf files from the source code, not the .fnt files...
13:09:51Loeckchensilly me
13:10:10Loeckchenrockbox really rocks
13:10:28Loeckchenbut when building the database, music stutters when scrolling through the file browser
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13:11:04PaulJamrockbox isn't very optimized for ipod yet.
13:11:19Loeckchenbut the best thing is, no crappy volume limit
13:11:35Loeckcheni can now attach a cassette adapter to play the music to the car radio
13:11:58Loeckchenthese adapters need a very high volume setting
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13:12:44PaulJamthere are tools to remove the volume cap from the original firmware.
13:13:38peturshht, don't make our users go away :p
13:13:59Loeckchenso now, as rockbox supports ogg, i only need to know if amarok can transcode to ogg on the fly when transferring tunes to the ipod
13:14:16Loeckchenthis would save much space
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13:14:44Loeckchenand on-the go, ogg with a bitrate of 96 is really enough for listening with headphones
13:14:46crwlthere's the transKode script, but i don't know what it can do
13:15:09PaulJambut if you have only 30GB music and 40 GB space, why would you want to transcode?
13:15:15Loeckcheni also think rockbox sounds better
13:15:30Loeckchenbecause you can adjust sound settings better
13:15:42Loeckchennot for now but when new music is added
13:20:23dj-futurn crossfeed on
13:20:29dj-fuprepare to be blown away, if you haven't already
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13:21:33Loeckcheni now turned it on
13:21:43Loeckcheni'm currently testing it with Melotron - Der Anfang
13:21:50crwlhow much does crossfeed increase boost ratio in iriver devices nowadays?
13:21:50dj-fuI've no idea what that is.
13:22:02dj-fushould be configurable no/
13:22:09dj-futhere aare mad cf options
13:22:09Loeckchenwhoa
13:22:12Loeckchengreat bass
13:22:19dj-futhink speakers inside your head
13:22:35Loeckcheni have sennheiser px15 in ear
13:23:02dj-fufeh, rich guy aye
13:23:22Loeckchenthey only came 19,95 euros
13:23:31Loeckchenit was a special offer
13:23:58Loeckchenbut with crossfeed, sound begins to stutter when building the database in background
13:24:09Loeckcheni think the ipod version isn't optimized enough for it
13:25:42peturusing a wps with peakmeters?
13:26:03Loeckchenno
13:26:16Loeckchendancing puffy
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13:26:31dj-fuWhich version ipod?
13:26:40dj-fu& do you have EQ turned on?
13:26:41Loeckchen4g 40gb
13:26:47Loeckcheni just turned it on
13:26:54dj-fueq is _very_ intensive
13:27:11Loeckchenokay, EQ is off now
13:27:31dj-fumy Nano plays fine w/ crossfeed turned on. although, I don't use the tagcache database, just file rowser
13:27:49Loeckchennow, the theme selector doesn't work any more
13:27:56Loeckchenafter resetting the ipod, it works again
13:29:50Loeckcheni now use the default theme "boxes"
13:29:58Loeckchenthe animation was too intensive
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13:31:50PaulJamyou can find additional themes here: www.rockbox-themes.org
13:32:17Loeckchencan you somehow cancel the building of the tag database?
13:32:44loudrop your mp3 player on the floor very very hard
13:33:07Loeckchenand a way where it stays intact?
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13:40:17louno idea :)
13:41:29Loeckcheni could delete all config files
13:41:33Loeckchenbut that's not it
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14:27:24Loeckchenmh does the tagcache not work on the ipod?
14:27:30Loeckcheni updated it and it is now ready
14:27:37Loeckchenbut it still says, tagcache not ready
14:27:59freqmodsometimes you have to restart the ipod to make it work
14:28:51Loeckchenoh after a reboot, it says "committing tagcache"
14:29:08Loeckchenokay, now it works
14:29:13freqmodfine :)
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14:32:26Loeckchenand how do i search? i now did a search for artists and have a screen where i can enter my search word
14:32:32Loeckchenso how do i fire it up?
14:32:42Loeckchenmh ok
14:32:44Loeckchenhold select
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15:17:20LoeckchenFOAD: PONG *g*
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15:18:08Loeckcheni had lunch
15:18:12Loeckcheni just returned
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15:22:50JdGordonwas it a nice lunch?
15:23:32Loeckchenyeah
15:23:41Loeckchenfish, french fries and mustard sauce
15:23:48JdGordonand u didnt invite me?
15:23:53JdGordonbasterd..
15:24:16Loeckchenokay, next time, come to halle/saale (germany) and you can have something
15:24:19peturJdGordon: because it isn't lunch hour for you
15:24:53JdGordon11.35pm is almost lunch time :D
15:25:22*JdGordon cant read.. 11.25 even
15:25:33Loeckchenhere it's 3:25 PM
15:25:36LoeckchenCEST ^^
15:25:49*petur was wondering if the timezone had 10 minute offsets
15:26:11amiconnThere are some odd time zones in the world...
15:26:19peturI know
15:26:43FOADNone with 10 min offsets, afaik.
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15:32:20MalnilionTimezones with ten minute offsets exist?
15:32:35MalnilionWhat could possibly be the purpose of that?
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15:36:45FOADWhat could possibly be the purpose of 15 min offset timezones?
15:38:12FOADOr 30 min ones?
15:38:54MalnilionAre there such things?
15:39:30FOADYep.
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15:59:20Loeckchenso, i'll go now
15:59:46Loeckchentoday's computer club and i am the leader of it ^^
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16:16:01earHertzlinuxstb: here?
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16:20:01linuxstb_earHertz: Yes, but I may have to disappear at any moment, so if I don't answer, it means I'm gone...
16:20:19earHertzlinuxstbI saw your message about icode attr
16:20:20linuxstb_Did you read my comments (about 11am this morning) about IRAM?
16:20:24linuxstb_:)
16:20:51earHertzok, in assembly, I use this: .section .icode,"ax",%progbits
16:21:01earHertzthat shoudl put the code in teh icode section, yes?
16:21:06linuxstb_Yes.
16:21:22linuxstb_I did some IRAM experiments a while ago, and posted a patch here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5226
16:21:47earHertzand in teh c code, I keep the icode on lcd_update_rect, but took it OFF the actuiual C function called
16:22:14earHertzso I'm thinking, teh asm ran in IRAm and teh c didn't
16:22:32earHertzwhich makes teh results even more confusing
16:22:46linuxstb_Easiest thing is to check the rockbox.map file - to see which sections the functions were put.
16:23:45earHertzlinuxstb_: your patch says you got better speed by NOT using IRAM??
16:24:01linuxstb_No.
16:24:25linuxstb_74% boost with both icode and idata, 75% boost with only idata, and 90% boost with no IRAM use.
16:24:45linuxstb_i.e. icode only gives a tiny improvement - so it seems better to use IRAM for data instead of code.
16:25:08linuxstb_(we only have 96KB of IRAM - 48KB for core Rockbox, 48KB for codecs/plugins)
16:25:18earHertzfor mp3 data
16:25:33linuxstb_In fact, we have 128KB on some targets (Nano, 5g, 2nd Gen mini) - but I don't think we use it.
16:25:38earHertzwhat do you mean by "boost"?
16:26:11linuxstb_The CPU boost ratio when decoding audio - from the audio thread debug screen. Not a great measure, but it's easy to see.
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16:26:26linuxstb_Feel free to do some better benchmarks of iram.
16:26:32linuxstb_gotta go.
16:26:41earHertzoh, ok
16:26:42earHertzbye
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16:36:40linuxstb_earHertz: Whilst you're looking at ASM optimisations, the ATA driver would probably benefit from them - the functions to read/write sectors are ASM-optimised for SH-1 and Coldfire, but not ARM. It's vaguely similar to memcpy, but the source of reads (and destination of writes) is a constant address (a 16-bit memory-mapped hardware register).
16:37:30earHertzlinuxstb_: in that case it's virtually the same as teh lcd (destination of writes is 16 bit)
16:37:51earHertzSo if we figure out teh best lcd, the ata stuff should fall out from that
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16:37:53linuxstb_Yep. Although you need to take account of unaligned source/destination addresses.
16:38:07earHertzlinuxstb_: of course ;)
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16:38:19earHertzMy experiments with memcpy have driven that point home
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16:39:10linuxstb_Yes, all these things are very similar, which is why I mentioned it :)
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16:40:51earHertzOnce I have teh lcd optimized, I'll make teh ATA my next project
16:41:38earHertzBut I'm saddened to learn that all our writing to the lcd is through a DIAGNOSTIC function. And if we couild talk to the broadcomm, we could have memory mapped lcd
16:41:56*earHertz is actually pretty pissed
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16:48:39linuxstb_Do you think there's much potential left with the current LCD update method?
16:50:02amiconnMaybe memory mapped lcd is possible on the g5 - if we get some docs for the broadcom chip. Otherwise I'd say forget it...
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16:52:05amiconnEven on the older ipods we can't access the lcd controller directly
16:55:35amiconnEspecially the access on the greyscale ipods are way slower than they could be if we had direct access, or could at least program the delays in the PP's interface to the lcd controller
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16:56:47linuxstb_I'm not 100% sure, but I would guess that the LCD drivers have all been developed from disassembling the ipod diagnostic mode code from flash, rather than retailos itself. So maybe retailos does things better.
16:57:56peturso now the pp code has been cracked RE will give us better code?
16:58:20amiconnapple_os.bin isn't encrypted according to linuxstb
16:58:49peturoh
16:59:15amiconnI did not yet find out the load address / entry point of the image. As soon as I have that I'll feed apple_os.bin through ida pro
16:59:54linuxstb_The load address and entry point of the image are in the header. I think they're both 0x10000000.
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17:01:01linuxstb_i.e. the part of apple_os.bin which contains the exception vectors should be loaded to 0x10000000, everything before the exception vectors should be discarded.
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17:01:27linuxstb_But then that code probably remaps RAM to 0x00000000 in the same way as Rockbox does, so I don't know how IDA Pro would handle that.
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17:15:44amiconnlinuxstb: I guess it's not that important, as arm jump ops are always pc relative
17:15:53amiconnData addresses might be a problem though
17:17:15linuxstb_If you're going to look at retailos, it could be worthwhile talking to the IPL devs in #ipodlinux-dev
17:20:28earHertzipl devs will tell you there are no specs on teh broadcomm chip
17:20:57earHertzeven if e got data to the broadcomm, how would we control what the broadcomm did with it?
17:21:17peturbut they will most probably have been looking at the disassembly too
17:22:12earHertzbroadcomm takes data in 16 bits (or 8), so I'm guessing teh retail os sends a bunch of data to the broadcomm (which has its own mmeory) and then the broadcomm memeory maps the lcd
17:22:33SePhIr0tHwell i was about to ask for help 1h ago but i managed to get rockbox works with ipod mini 2nd generation, so i'l only say that : good job guys rockbox is great :o
17:22:53linuxstb_earHertz: I was talking about asking for advice on using IDA Pro with retailos.
17:23:06earHertzoh, sorry
17:24:35linuxstb_Also, amiconn has an ipod mini, so I'm assuming he's not interested in the Broadcom chip.
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17:27:50amiconnI'm more interested in how the lcd access is done on the older ipods, especially greyscale but also color/photo and nano
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17:34:53linuxstb_Yes, so am I. I'm not really motivated to spend time with the Broadcom chip.
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17:38:20lamed can't get sdl sound playing in a normal rockbox vmware machine install. anyone had something similar?
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17:42:39Slasheriamiconn: i got an idea how the virtual fs for tagcache could be done. At first tagcache could request firmware level to bind its hooks, for example vfs_bind("/tagcache", callback_routine); Then when trying to open dir /tagcache, the handler inside tagcache viewer would be called. And for open, delete etc. appropriate handlers would be called to retrieve the real filename. For example delete("/tagcache/artist/album/08. song"); would first ...
17:42:45Slasheri... callback tagcache handler to retrieve that filename, then do the desired function at real system level delete and finally callback tagcache to handle the delete.
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17:49:50lamed..I'd love some help with that sdl simsound :(
17:49:56linuxstb_Does tagcache currently handle the case of a user deleting files via Rockbox?
17:50:40linuxstb_lamed: Can you get any sound out of your vmware ? i.e. a normal Linux sound application?
17:53:10Slasherilinuxstb_: there is no direct hooks, but on update scan (automatic or manual), that is handled
17:55:03ryranSlasheri: the new tc autoupdate just happens on boot, right?
17:57:21Slasheriyep
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17:59:28lamedlinuxstb: yeah. i get beeps when I alt
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18:00:05lamedlinuxstb: (alt/ or backspace on the bash)
18:00:11lamedhere's a better explanation:
18:00:31lamedhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5261.0
18:01:20amiconnSlasheri: Boot and usb unplug, or boot only?
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18:04:53Slasheriamiconn: boot & usb, just verified
18:05:02linuxstb_lamed: I use Linux, but don't use vmware, and I also haven't used the sim for a while - making me not the best person to help. I recall there being problems with audio in the sim, but it did work more than you're experiencing.
18:05:18Slasheribut there seems to be a wrong ifdef for dircache, so autoscan won't work for archos at all atm
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18:16:52bluebrothercan someone explain me the meaning of "tonguelashed"?
18:17:28bluebrotherseems to colloquial as I wasn't able finding it in a dictionary.
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18:20:23linuxstb_I think you could just describe it as being attacked verbally - but normally because you've done something wrong.
18:20:43bluebrotherhmm.
18:21:07bluebrotherI can't remember doing something wrong in that case :o
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18:21:35linuxstb_Ah, "tongue-lashing" = "a scolding"
18:21:44linuxstb_(from dictionary.com)
18:21:44ryrannice job on all the tc work Slasheri ... peace out everyone
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18:22:09linuxstb_Also, "rebuking a person harshly"
18:23:27bluebrotherwow. I'm fascinated.
18:24:00bluebrotherseems the "reason" was my comment on this one: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5643
18:24:29bluebrothercan't find anything unpolite on my comment ...
18:24:39bluebrothersome users are really crazy.
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18:26:05linuxstb_I didn't understand that feature request at all. Part of me thought he was referring to the iriver firmware - because he said you can't record from the tuner.
18:27:26bluebrotherI think he didn't read anything of the loads of documentation that is around.
18:27:27bluebrothertoo bad.
18:29:20bluebrothernow I've got a mail (stupid "reply to all" in outlook express, but I guess rockbox-sf won't accept mails from outside) and he calls it exactly the way he would have implemented it
18:29:26bluebrotherwhat should I say more?
18:30:28linuxstb_So he's replied to the comments you and Paul made, but via email to you?
18:31:40bluebrotheryes.
18:31:53bluebrother> After being tonguelashed by another bluebrother for not "getting" the iRiver navigation system
18:32:11linuxstb_So is he talking about the iriver firmware?
18:32:35bluebrotherI'm not sure if he refers to me, but I don't know of any other bluebrother on the rockbox project
18:32:39bluebrotherpartly.
18:33:05bluebrothera bit later he talks about rockbox. It's completely confusing.
18:34:15bluebrotherI think I'll resist replying to his mail. Strangely his mail seems not to be addressed to Paul.
18:34:51linuxstb_You could just reply briefly and suggest that the correct place to post his ideas/complaints would be the rockbox mailing list.
18:35:19linuxstb_(and not flyspray or private emails)
18:35:59bluebrotherI'll think about that. But anyway, I'm going to grab some food first ;-)
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18:52:38Hansmaulwurfah shit
18:53:00Hansmaulwurfmy etymotic E4 just died
18:53:05Hansmaulwurfwell, the left one
18:56:51Hansmaulwurfah fine
18:56:55Hansmaulwurf2 years warranty
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20:04:03amiconnAnyone else who got the forum announcement twice?
20:04:37peturwhat announcement?
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20:04:48peturhey, you got mine, give it back
20:05:21amiconn"New announcement: Reporting Spam or Other 'Bad' Posts"
20:05:36amiconn(from jeff AT misticriver DOT net)
20:06:54Paul_The_NerdYup, it seems nearly every morning I have 5-8 reports of one spam message.
20:07:18amiconnI mean I got the announcement mail twice? Anyone else too?
20:08:02amiconns/\?/\./
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20:08:18Paul_The_NerdI didn't get the announcement mail.
20:08:54peturjust press delete twice ;)
20:09:49amiconnSo something might be wrong with the forum. I got the mail twice, and others didn't get it at all
20:10:52Paul_The_NerdThe only mails I ever get from the forums are notifications of PMs.
20:11:41amiconnIdentical text, but the time differs by 4 seconds, and the message id is also different
20:11:59amiconnX-Mailer: SMF I guess that's the forum soft
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20:12:20Paul_The_NerdYup, Simply Machines Forums
20:13:04rasheramiconn: When was it sent?
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20:13:24rasherMaybe it isn't done mailing yet
20:13:29amiconnWed, 12 Jul 2006 10:42:56 +0000
20:13:38rasherAh, well that's a while ago.
20:13:42amiconn..and another one 4 seconds later
20:15:42Paul_The_NerdIs there an option to receive those announcements or not?
20:15:47*Paul_The_Nerd can't seem to find if it's optional.
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20:17:17rasherGotta love bugreports on non-existant features
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20:18:13rasher(some blackjack plugin)
20:18:35Paul_The_NerdHahaha
20:18:48Hansmaulwurf1. april?
20:18:59rasherNo, just a clueless user
20:19:08rasherthere is a blackjack plugin, just not in Rockbox proper
20:19:23rasherSo it's just Somebody Else's Problem
20:20:31midgey34woo pick me, thats me buggy plugin
20:20:37midgey34s/me/my
20:20:52midgey34I just noticed that error report
20:20:59Paul_The_NerdWhat kept Blackjack from CVS inclusion?
20:21:05midgey34I never submitted a patch
20:21:15rasherBoo!
20:21:20Paul_The_NerdWell, why not?
20:21:29midgey34too many bugs IMO
20:21:36midgey34I've gotten most of them fixed
20:21:42midgey34except one major one
20:21:52rasherMore eyes will see it if it's committed
20:21:58midgey34when thats fixed and the freeze is over, I'll submit
20:22:01rasherAnd it's not like Rockbox is Bug Free
20:22:16Hansmaulwurfi got no rockbox announcement mail
20:22:45rasherYou don't have to drop a Finished[tm] plugin in the patch, minor bugs should not stand in the way of inclusion imho (of course the freeze does, now)
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20:23:07Paul_The_NerdWell, submitting it to the patch tracker doesn't stop you from being able to fix bugs, AND makes it easier for other people to play with it and find 'em before committing
20:23:45midgey34call me stubborn, one bug was bothering me and I still havent gotten it fixed
20:24:00*Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
20:24:02midgey34if I can't fix it within a few days, I'll probably submit a patch
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20:25:15rasherPaul_The_Nerd: Why is FS #5652 not marked as a patch though?
20:25:31rasherWait, are you darkkone?
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20:26:26rasherYou'd think a guy like JoeBorn would be able to keep himself connected.
20:26:36rasherBut you'd apparently be wrong.
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20:27:06Paul_The_Nerdrasher: I'd originally changed is to feature request because I didn't notice the patch. I guess it should be "Patch" instead.
20:27:23rasherI'll fix
20:27:27Paul_The_NerdI fixed already
20:27:31rasherhah
20:27:54rasherI'll update the title, then!
20:28:02rasherwhich was wrong
20:28:05Paul_The_NerdI just very strongly feel that it's not a Bug if something doesn't work the way someone would like, but does work in following with the overall schema, even if it IS really annoying.
20:28:23rasherI agree.
20:28:34rasherIt's at best a missing feature
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20:30:25linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Did you get chance to try and upgrade your Apple firmware?
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20:32:14rasherI'm a bit stumped about this guy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5217.0
20:33:21Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Let me do that right now.
20:33:49Paul_The_NerdDoes Rockbox give "installation incomplete" messages now?
20:34:18linuxstb_I've never seen one, but then all my installations are complete... Let me grep.
20:34:33oboI think I've seen it in the sim if the .rockbox folder is missing?
20:34:34Paul_The_NerdIt used to be silent about missing .rockbox folders, until you got a codec failure.
20:34:38rasherI've seen it.. ages ago
20:34:55rashermaybe it was shut up
20:34:56PaulJami had theis message once when my filesystem got corrupted
20:35:03linuxstb_Yes, it's in tree.c
20:35:48*rasher notices he's a "Rockbox expert"
20:35:49linuxstb_If .rockbox isn't found, firstly "No .rockbox directory" is splashed, and then "Installation incomplete"
20:36:29Paul_The_Nerdrasher: I'd say you qualify.
20:36:49Paul_The_NerdAt least. I don't know, do you have commit access?
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20:37:01rasherI do, yes. Not that I've used it much
20:37:23rasherJust hadn't noticed the logo.. I've been away for a good while
20:37:42Paul_The_NerdWell I should've set you as "Developer" then. I just wasn't sure, since you'd been away.
20:37:57rasherI think developer is a stretch
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20:38:29rasherI'm happy with the "Expert" label instead, or people will be expecting too much of me
20:38:37sharpeheheh
20:38:46Paul_The_NerdWell, Developer is more a way to recognize people with commit access. So, you're stuck with it. :-P
20:38:59rasherThat's okay then
20:39:41Paul_The_Nerd"Expert" is what we voted on instead of "Tech Support" ;)
20:39:58rasherAh, extracting to the _root_ of the drive.. good point (re the forum post)
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20:41:00Paul_The_NerdSometimes people think "root" means X:\root\
20:41:14Paul_The_NerdThough arguably then it shouldn't be finding his rockbox.iriver
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20:41:20rasher_gosh darn webclient
20:41:26Paul_The_NerdHahaha
20:42:58obocould someone with commit access cast an eye over 5551 for me please?
20:44:04rasher_I'd say this qualifies for bug-fix..
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20:50:46Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb: Updating my iPod now.
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20:52:24rasherIrssi is certainly less awful than the webclient.
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21:00:13rasherobo: I'm looking at 5551 now. Am I right in thinking that the magick is the calc_scales you added? (I told you that "developer" was a stretch!)
21:00:37rasherThat is, the important part of the patch
21:01:04oboyeah, pretty much, and then setting the x/y co-ords later on so they're relative to the screen size rather than hard coded
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21:02:51rasherThought so. Looks decent enough to my only slighty trained eyes, so I'll just test it and probably commit it and deal with the consequences.
21:03:26oboheh, thanks :)
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21:05:20lamedwell then, take a l00k of my patches as well... 5587 and 5641 for instance....
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21:06:53peturhahaha
21:06:59Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: There's definitely something strange, when I sync a song over with Nano 1.2 and Rockbox, that song isn't showing up in the Retail Firmware. As well, the patch I had that was loading Retail instead of the hardware disk mode doesn't seem to function properly anymore either.
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21:08:00linuxstb_So I wonder if it's just bad luck or Apple being malicious?
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21:08:41rasherThe latter sounds unlikely, since they haven't made a fuss about IPL yet
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21:10:25Paul_The_NerdIt seems somewhat odd though, that Retail would only not show music if our bootloader were installed.
21:10:37rasherTrue, that
21:10:43linuxstb_I wonder why this hasn't been more widely reported - presumably no Rockbox users upgrade retailos?
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21:11:23Paul_The_NerdOr don't use it to play music?
21:11:44linuxstb_What else can it do?
21:12:20linuxstb_Is the emergency disk mode still slow?
21:13:23Paul_The_NerdYup
21:13:30Paul_The_NerdStill slow
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21:16:55linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Have you tried removing the bootloader to see if the music appears in retailos?
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21:17:39Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Was just about to try that, I want to see if the VBR bug is gone too
21:18:18Paul_The_NerdYes, just writing back the bootpartition.bin restored the presence of music
21:18:24Paul_The_NerdMusic synced over AFTER I installed Rockbox, btw.
21:19:56linuxstb_Do you know if the firmwares for other ipods has been upgraded?
21:20:28rasherobo: heh, the up/down keys are reversed on the h100 in the menu.. otherwise, looks fine
21:20:30amiconnPaul_The_Nerd: Dunno about other devs, but I never played a single track in ipod retailos, for a very simple reason
21:20:33Paul_The_NerdI believe it was an upgrade for 5G, Nano, and shuffle
21:20:51amiconn...I don't have itunes installed, and won't install it.
21:21:13earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: I've never upgraded the featil_os since installing rockbox.
21:21:14oborasher: weird - I didn't think I'd touched the menu code :)
21:21:18amiconnAnd I don't need to upgrade retailos for the same reason, I removed it completely
21:21:28rasherobo: maybe it was just strange in the first place
21:21:43amiconnI prefer faster boot over a useless retail firmware
21:21:47earHertz(Honeslty, I hardly play the sdamned thing anymore, I just seem to load various rockbox builds on it, test them, and then dump logf)
21:21:50Paul_The_Nerdamiconn, earHertz: Only reason I'm using it here is at linuxstb's request. :)
21:22:04*linuxstb_ hides
21:22:10Paul_The_NerdThey do seem to have fixed the VBR bug
21:22:19Paul_The_NerdAt least, the problem song that's worked to test for it before didn't trigger it.
21:22:27*amiconn didn't even know about a VBR bug
21:22:40earHertzyeah, never heard of it
21:22:55Paul_The_Nerdamiconn: I discovered its presence in the time between purchasing a Nano, and Rockbox having sound support
21:23:01linuxstb_The retailos CPU scaling is too aggressive and skips if there is a spike in the bitrate in VBR MP3 files.
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21:23:03Paul_The_NerdIt apparently dates back to the 1G Mini at least.
21:23:25linuxstb_(and they have a tiny PCM buffer IIUC)
21:24:44earHertzthe reail_os is encrypted, right?
21:24:54rasherobo: looks like it's just plain wrong.. pushing up increases the "selected_setting" variable. Very odd..
21:25:37rasherCan someone with an archos check if the vu_meter plugin menu works the wrong way round?
21:25:44linuxstb_earHertz: No. My understanding is that retailos is unencrypted, but the contents of the flash (as stored in the firmware partition) are.
21:26:47linuxstb_This seems to be the opposite to the standard PortalPlayer scheme - where the bootloader is clear, and the firmware (.mi4) is encrypted.
21:27:00earHertzlinuxstb_: the flash is encrypted, but then what's not?
21:27:07earHertzoh, the flqsh is teh bootloader??
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21:27:32earHertzwhat prevents use from disaambling the retial firmware?
21:27:52linuxstb_Yes, the bootloader and diagnostics mode code. I believe it's the diagnostics mode code which was used by IPL for reverse-engineering.
21:28:19linuxstb_earHertz: Nothing prevents us from disassembling retailos.
21:29:11earHertzso we don't do it for lehgal reasons
21:30:02linuxstb_No. It's simply that no-one has bothered yet.
21:31:35linuxstb_AFAIK, disassembly and reverse-engineering is legal, at least in Europe.
21:31:39earHertzsee, I don't want to do it, because then I might have legal barriers to writing code
21:33:03earHertzBut I'd really like someone to search for the lietral 320 or 640, as in mov rx, #320
21:33:22dionoeahello
21:33:30dionoeahas anyone already ported zlib to rockbox ?
21:34:30linuxstb_Not that I know of. The only code I know is some code to read uncompressed ZIP files.
21:34:56*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why "Rockbox" always seems so difficult to spell for some people.
21:34:57dionoeaok, i'll do that then.
21:35:04Paul_The_NerdDo we need Zlib?
21:35:09dionoeayeah
21:35:14dionoeafor png display
21:35:18earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: some of us cnat type
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21:35:27dionoeaand maybe some kind of light open document preview
21:35:39dionoealike getting the text in a .odt
21:35:39rasherLegal question: do I need to include sdl sources in my w32 simulator build sources?
21:35:49dionoearasher: yes
21:35:53rasherI guess that's a stupid question, I do.
21:35:55rasherI just realised.
21:36:18Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Typos are one thing. "roxbox" "roxcbox" "roxkbox" and various other variations aren't as simple. Especially "roxkbox" showing up twice in a theme. Maybe it's the theme's name or something
21:36:42rasherOf course I do. But then, for the dll I include, or for the objects I link against?
21:36:45rasherOr both..
21:36:50earHertzPaul_The_Nerd: on american keyboards "x" is next to "c"
21:36:56rasher(guess I could just keep those in sync, of course)
21:37:30Paul_The_NerdearHertz: Yes, it is, I have one. But usually that typo occurs once. Not both times. Maybe he was lazy and cut/paste.
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21:37:41linuxstb_rasher; Do you cross-compile your win32 SDL sims?
21:38:01rasherobo: have you built your vu_meter for different targets? (and/or tested?)
21:38:03rasherlinuxstb_: aye
21:38:11rasherUsing a horrible hack
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21:38:28rasherOr not really horrible as such, just a hand-modified makefile
21:38:43rasherplus, I had to build sdl with mingw32-gcc
21:38:47dionoeabtw, any update concerning the 3.0 release date estimation ?
21:38:51rasherBut it seems to be working.
21:39:00oborasher: tested physically on a 5g - sim tested on a h300 and recorder, and target built for both those as well
21:39:09linuxstb_Is building SDL straightforward?
21:39:42rasherlinuxstb_: afaik, pretty much.. I had to do one slight tweak of something afterwards though, but I figure if I can manage, so can you
21:39:51rasher(and I can't remember what it was)
21:39:59Paul_The_Nerddionoea: I don't think there will be a further release date estimation, so much as a "Oh, yeah, it's done" type statement at some point.
21:40:07rasherAnd that afaik should be iirc
21:40:29dionoeaPaul_The_Nerd: any idea when that might happen ? are there many release critical bugs left ? other things to do ?
21:41:51linuxstb_dionoea: I don't recall any discussion of the release recently. But from what I can tell, voice seems the biggest issue left.
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21:42:09amiconnVoice and playback
21:42:29Paul_The_NerdYup, still voice and playback.
21:42:30dionoeavoice as in voice menus ?
21:42:40*amiconn admits that he didn't use rockbox much on the swcodec units recently, for those exact reasons
21:42:41Paul_The_NerdYes, and talk clips.
21:43:08*amiconn still prefers any archos for solid, hassle-free playback
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21:43:47linuxstb_I exclusively use swcodec now, and am very happy. But I don't use voice at all.
21:43:58*dionoea lost his archo recorder's usb cable :'(
21:44:00ForEveryHeartrockbox is the program that will allow me to hear what music files i have on there correct? like it will say the name of them?
21:44:02XavierGralso v2lang localization
21:44:18XavierGranother matter is default font screens with non roman languages
21:44:52Paul_The_NerdForEveryHeart: It is necessary that you prepare .talk clips for the names of your files.
21:45:20ForEveryHeartokay so would i need a microphone for that?
21:45:47rasherForEveryHeart: there are scripts to prepare the .talk clips using text-to-speech engines
21:46:03rasherWhich is probably more reasonable if you have more than 10 songs
21:46:19ForEveryHeartokay
21:46:20ForEveryHeartawesome
21:46:29ForEveryHeartwhen will the wiki files be back online?
21:46:36rasherThe files are online, the pages are not
21:46:41rasher(see topic)
21:46:50ForEveryHeartokay
21:46:53ForEveryHeartthanks alot guys
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21:50:39rasherHow is the ifp port doing these days?
21:52:17Paul_The_NerdI don't think there have been updates, really.
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21:53:53afruffWhat caused the site to go down? Was it internal or did someone hack it?
21:54:00rasherThe latter
21:54:21afruffWhy would someone do that?
21:54:42dionoeagood question
21:54:55afruffHackers wouldn't go about attacking open-source projects
21:55:15rasherIf they are using the server for spamming
21:55:28afruffoh, the twiki spammers?
21:55:32rasheryup
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22:03:19rasherobo: There are some whitespace-only changes in the file - did you notice that? Can't figure out what's causing them
22:04:09rasherat least, not all of them
22:04:10rasheroh well
22:04:11oboah, my editor likes to trim trailing spaces
22:04:24rasherProbably that
22:04:46peturthat's ok, just add 'code policing' to the comment ;)
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22:07:23rasherAnd of course now I forgot to mention the FS#
22:07:35cornchildweeee the twiki
22:07:48cornchild(ToT) thanks
22:08:45obothanks rasher
22:09:32cornchildi got a question i hope is not stupid..
22:09:51cornchildi installed rockbox on the nano but now i can access my music
22:10:04afruffuse tagcache
22:10:10cornchildthe music previus loaded with itunes
22:10:18afruffsee above
22:10:41afruffgo to genreal settings and turn ontagcache
22:10:46afruffand hti force update
22:10:56afruffhit*
22:11:07afruffwait 3 minutes, restart iPod
22:11:14cornchild*doingo*
22:11:15afruffchange view to tagcache
22:11:26cornchild*come ipod ipod come*
22:11:37afruffI assume your tags are in order sicne you used ituens to transfer files?
22:11:42cornchild*there you are*
22:11:50cornchildi asume so
22:11:52cornchildlets see
22:12:50afrufftagcahce is under playback
22:13:48cornchild(thanks was looking for it)
22:14:30afruffdevs: you should move tagcache out of there
22:14:43cornchildcant finfd ti.. tagcache on playback sniff i found it on File view
22:15:02afruffone sec
22:15:06afrufflet me get my player
22:15:29cornchild(i click on update now)
22:15:49afruffgeneral settings>playback>force tag cahce update
22:16:09afruffthat's right
22:16:17afruffthere's no confirmation that you did anything
22:16:28PaulJamafruff: i think your rockbox version is quite old
22:16:29afruffI eman, you did it correctly but it won't tell you that
22:16:50afruffoh, lol
22:17:15afruffI think it's form february
22:17:19afrufffrom*
22:17:24afruffhow can I check?
22:17:32cornchild... i cant find that Force tag cache update on my rock
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22:18:04PaulJamafruff: the version is shown in the credits plugin
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22:18:50afruffI know, but it says 060513-1650
22:18:57afruffthat doesn't seem like a date to me
22:19:37afruffcornchild, did you find anything that said update
22:19:37PaulJamYYMMDD-hhmm i guess
22:19:56afruffoh, I'm not used to that format
22:20:06afruffmy bad
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22:20:48afruffcornchild, restart palyer
22:21:00afruffit should say commiting tagcache after restarting
22:21:46cornchildi have Tag cache> Auto Updating or Update Now...
22:21:48afruffdoes tagcache have a wraning for erasing dynmaic playlist yet?
22:21:48PaulJami think it is called "initialize tagcache" now
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22:22:39afruffdoes anybody have a mirror for the wiki?
22:22:45afruffI don't care how old it is
22:22:57PaulJamgoogle cache
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22:23:41cornchild(i press initialize now, should i wait? or researt already?_
22:23:42rasherI wonder if it would be feasible to export a static version
22:23:56cornchildlest wait
22:23:59afruffhttp://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ebRuPlSfT7MJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache%3Fskin%3Dprint+tagcache+site:www.rockbox.org&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
22:24:16PaulJamcornchild: wait until the disk stops spinning
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22:24:36afruffyif you restart, then it'll just pick up where it left off
22:24:53afruffbut I don't think it will commit the newly scanned files
22:25:00afruff(i.e. after restart)
22:26:46cornchild( i am using nano .. so who do i know when it stops?)
22:26:58cornchildlests see
22:27:03rasherwhen the disc activity iconi n the status bar stops
22:28:03cornchildit shows just for a sec
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22:29:56afruffif you restart, then it doesn't matter becuase it will jsut pick up where it left off
22:30:00afruffno worries
22:30:05afruffjust restart and see
22:30:36cornchildk
22:31:05cornchildrestarted.. so where it should be? on wich folder?
22:31:15cornchild(sorry if i am being so stupid)
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22:31:51afruffI want to upgrade my build. If I unzip my build file into the root, then will I lose any files(i.e. settings)?
22:32:12midkaywrite a cfg first just in case..
22:32:15afruffit's ok, since the wiki is down
22:32:18midkaybut actually no.
22:32:31Paul_The_NerdYou only lose your settings if the config version has changes
22:32:33Paul_The_Nerdchanged
22:32:34midkayno new features have been put in since it's the freeze, so you're fine.
22:32:45Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The config block has changed once or twice during freeze though.
22:32:59midkayyeah, but i know it hasn't in the past, like, 2 weeks.
22:33:02Paul_The_NerdChanging the options relating to TagCache for example
22:33:25Paul_The_NerdWe've know his tagcache menu is out of date, so it probably will clear his settings
22:33:31midkayit is?
22:33:39PaulJami think the config version was increased just yesterday, so save a config file
22:33:39afruffyea, it's udner playback
22:33:56midkayhow old is that build? must be like a month then.
22:33:59afruff060513-1650
22:34:18afruffabout 2 motnhs
22:34:44afruffI'm not really worried about losing settings, but losing my database
22:35:04midkayyour db is never erased by rockbox.
22:35:11afruffthanks
22:35:18cornchildsniff
22:35:21midkayyou can still avoid a settings reset, really, by writing a CFG file and reloading it after the update.
22:35:23Paul_The_NerdBut there are occasionally version changes of TagCache that have required a rebuild, right?
22:35:59afruffthere are several veryrecent tagcache changes
22:37:08midkayPaul_The_Nerd, i don't believe that we've ever had an update that requires a rebuild.. i may be wrong, though.
22:37:24midkaytagcache changes in general are fine.
22:37:49Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I've had a working tagcache that wasn't working after installing a new build, once, I think
22:38:03obocornchild: you need to change the file view to see your music - see the TagCache page afruff posted earlier
22:38:31midkayPaul_The_Nerd, interesting.. never happened to me.. or hard to tell, since whenever I add music I have to re-update anyways.
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22:40:35afruffdircache auto-updates right? becaus eit doesn't seem to do so for me.
22:40:46Paul_The_NerdIt only happened once, if I recall. The .tcd files were there, but it told me the tagcache was not ready. It was fairly early one though.
22:41:02Paul_The_Nerdafruff: Files you copy over don't show up in the file view?
22:41:12Paul_The_NerdWhen set to "all files"?
22:41:12afruffno, in tagcache
22:41:18Paul_The_NerdTagCache is not DirCache...
22:41:53afruffso the only way to make it autoupdate in tagacache is to store in RAM
22:42:01Paul_The_NerdAlso, you said you were using a 2 month out of date build. Does the auto-update in TagCache not work for you with a recent build?
22:42:15afruffI havne't upgraded just yet
22:42:39*midkay will bbi15-20
22:43:39Paul_The_NerdWell, it's kinda pointless asking about bugs in a feature that has drastically changed.
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22:45:44afruffI"m upgrading now
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22:48:17afruffI upgaded and when attempting to load my .cfg file, it says "settings loaded" and it's stuck
22:49:00peturit did reset settings, right?
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22:49:55afruffrestarting*
22:50:22afruffyeah
22:50:43afruffmy old settings are back. yay
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22:53:13afruffwould turning usbotg power off on the X5 be allowed to be added during feature freeze?
22:55:05BagderI would say it can
22:55:33afruffshould I put this under bug reports or feature requests? : no warning when erasing dynamic playlist in tagcache
22:55:46rasherI'd say that's a bug
22:56:00rasherthat is, if there's no warning hwen you have the "warn when.." on
22:56:10afruffit's on
22:56:36linuxstb_So it works in the file browser, but not tagcache?
22:56:51afruffyeah
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22:58:33afruffwhich can be a big pain if you have an X5 joystick and you accidentally press soemthing
22:58:33cornchildsniff i cant access my music
22:58:33cornchildsniff
22:58:33rasherlinuxstb_: To build crosscompile SDL, simply ./configure −−host=i586-mingw32msvc (assuming you have mingw32 installed of course)
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22:58:33linuxstb_Then it sounds like a bug.
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22:58:33rasherlinuxstb_: to crosscompile the sims, use the makefile I include in my sim builds (under .rockbox)
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22:58:40rasher(edited with appropriate paths of course)
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22:58:50afruffgeneral settings> file view> tagcache> initialize now > force update >wait 3 minutes> restart > switch to ID3 databse view
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22:59:51cornchildhumm
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23:00:01afruffis that what you did?
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23:00:39afruffdid you forget to initialize?
23:00:53cornchildthe id3 step missing
23:01:05afruffoh
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23:02:11afruffthat can be accessed via the quickscreen or general settings>file view>show files
23:02:20cornchildwhere do i shitch to id3 database view :/
23:04:19afruffanswer: right above your last post
23:04:55cornchild(i am offially stupid) (thanks for you patience)
23:05:15afruffdid it work?
23:05:18cornchild( i have become the tipical stupid user)
23:05:45cornchildIT WORKED
23:05:50cornchildCLAP CLAP CLAP
23:05:55cornchild*STAND IN OVATION*
23:06:27cornchildbut now.. does not play the mp3 arghh
23:06:42afruffis it an aac file downloaded off itunes?
23:06:54cornchildit says unknow artis unknow album no file
23:07:03afruffituens music store*
23:07:10cornchildnope they are just mp3 and some itunes podcasts
23:08:01afruffI'm not sure how good normal aac support is, but mp3's should work
23:08:35cornchild...thanks afruff at least the music is there
23:09:27cornchildgood nick rockrockers
23:09:30cornchildnight
23:09:31afruffyou could bot into the original firmware
23:09:35afruffboot*
23:10:02cornchildsniff.. i know.. but rockbox is so sexy
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23:10:41midkayafruff, "wait 3 minutes > restart".. should be "wait until it's done > restart". 3 minutes can be 2 minutes too long for someone with a few files or 20 minutes too short for someone with a lot of music on a specific device..
23:10:47midkaybahness.
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23:19:07DANiMALcould someone tell me please what the rockbox themes website is?
23:19:39midkayrockbox-themes.org i believe.
23:19:57midkayyeah.
23:20:08DANiMALthanks midkay
23:20:13midkaynp
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23:21:08DANiMALdo you know of any others for the 5G ipod?
23:21:34LandusI've got a question. Anyone alive?
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23:21:40Red-Soxyo
23:21:50Red-Soxcan you put rockbox on an iPod in linux?
23:21:50LandusHello.
23:21:59midkayDANiMAL, when the wiki gets back up the WpsGallery has more, i believe,
23:22:04LandusWith WINE, possibly.
23:22:05midkayRed-Sox, sure.
23:22:13LandusUnless the fwpatcher has a Linux port.
23:22:16midkaythere are linuxspecific instructions.
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23:22:35DANiMALsett thanks again midkay
23:22:38Red-Soxmidgey34: gweat
23:22:52LandusI'll be getting my h320 in the mail sometime tomorrow.
23:22:53midkaynp
23:23:03LandusI've been browsing the forums and seen some rather cool themes.
23:23:15LandusBut setting everything up seems a bit overwhelming.
23:23:16Red-SoxCan you still sync the iPod with iTunes if you use rockbox?
23:23:16midkayRed-Sox, here, try this.. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:psZ3sRNykBcJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot+IpodBoot&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
23:23:20LandusIf I pop in here, can I get help?
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23:23:29BagderLandus: certainly
23:23:30Red-Soxmidkay: you da man, thanks
23:23:37midkayyes, Red-Sox. rockbox is independent of the ipod firmware.
23:23:39midkaynp.
23:23:48LandusCool. Thanks.
23:23:53Red-SoxNow, to compile stuff? Great...
23:24:05DANiMALand is there a way to create your own themes?
23:24:15Red-SoxOkay...I'll just do it on windows...later
23:24:17midkayRed-Sox, no, you don't have to.. one moment.
23:24:17DANiMALlike is there a guide? im guessing its on the wiki
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23:24:57midkayRed-Sox, hm.. http://daniel.haxx.se/twiki/IpodBoot/ has ipodpatcher..
23:25:13Red-SoxThanks!
23:25:25midkayRed-Sox, maybe you do have to compile ipod_fw though if it tells you to..
23:25:31BagderDANiMAL: yes, and in the manual
23:25:56DANiMALthanks Bagder
23:25:57DANiMALo
23:26:04DANiMALi'll check out the manuel
23:26:10linuxstb_Red-Sox: You want this page: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:vqUcGrK6UKAJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux%3Frev%3D1.7+ipodinstallationfromlinux&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
23:26:15Red-Soxmidgey34: I'll just do it in winblows
23:26:55linuxstb_(the IpodBoot page is an old page, mainly of interest to developers)
23:26:57Red-Soxlinuxstb: where do I type gcc -o ipod_fw ipod_fw.c
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23:27:12Red-SoxUGH I need to stop typing midgey34 and start typing midkay. :)
23:27:18linuxstb_In the directory you've downloaded ipod_fw.c from
23:27:26linuxstb_downloaded to...
23:27:27midkaylinuxstb, interesting, i've never seen IpodInstallationFromLinux before. is it recent?
23:27:33linuxstb_No.
23:27:39midkayhm.
23:27:48linuxstb_Although it did come later than the Windows and Mac pages.
23:27:52midkayi remember the linux install instructions used to be in IpodBoot..
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23:30:06Landushttp://tinyurl.com/jds8l
23:30:24LandusArchived copy of the Twiki from March 30th last year.
23:30:51midkayoldness..
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23:33:14LandusYeah, but until the Twiki is back up, there's a few things in there that might be found to be helpful.
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23:36:56Red-SoxOkay, so what do I do on windows
23:37:12midkayhttp://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:60MpDoB_mgkJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation%3Fsortcol%3D4%26table%3D1%26up%3D0+IpodInstallation&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a
23:38:16midkaythere are also instructions in the manual.
23:38:23Red-Soxtanx
23:38:36midkaysure.
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23:41:14neighborsHi, I installed rockbox on my iaudio x5 last night and my main menu is missing some things
23:41:19neighborslike general setting, and themes
23:41:30neighborsDoes anybody know what I might have done wrong?
23:43:00midkayno, because the menu is, well, embedded into the rockbox installation..
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23:43:17midkayusing english language?
23:43:30neighborsyeah, although I never explicitly set a language
23:43:45midkayhmm. did you try reinstalling it?
23:43:52midkaysomeone else reported this last night, was it you?
23:43:57neighborsyeah
23:44:00linuxstb_What button do you press to bring up the menu?
23:44:10neighborsI hold down the main button
23:44:12neighborsI don't know what it's called
23:44:23neighborsI press and hold the thing that can go left right up down
23:44:35midkayah, the context menu..
23:44:35Paul_The_NerdTry just *tapping* it rather than holding it.
23:45:00midkaythat probably selects a file.. dunno what x5's menu key is.
23:45:18neighborsI have to be playing a song to get to the main menu
23:45:23neighborsor it does select a file
23:45:29Paul_The_NerdAh
23:45:33Bagdertried the manual?
23:45:34midkaythere's another key that should open the menu..
23:45:37linuxstb_The REC button brings up the main menu from the file browser.
23:45:37Paul_The_NerdI was thinking quick-menu not context-menu
23:45:40neighborsYeah, I followed the manual
23:45:47neighborsIt's missing the section for installing the bootloader
23:45:56neighborsBut Paul helped me with that last night
23:46:11neighborsOther than that I followed the manual instructions
23:46:27BagderI was thinking about the key to use to bring the menu
23:46:48neighborsThe manual said to hold the play button
23:46:50neighborsbut that doesn't work
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23:47:09Paul_The_Nerdneighbors: As linuxstb_ said, apparently it's the record key that brings up the menu. The menu shouldn't say to HOLD anything.
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23:47:12Paul_The_NerdNot for the main menu
23:48:05Paul_The_NerdOdd
23:48:06Paul_The_NerdIt does
23:48:15neighborsAh, that did it, thanks linuxstb
23:48:25neighborsIf I hit the record button from the file manager I get to the main menu
23:48:31neighborsAnd it has those entries
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23:48:51Paul_The_NerdAny manual people around who can fix that?
23:48:58Bagderme fix
23:49:05neighborsI must have been in the file menu before
23:49:16neighborsThe manual actually does say hitting record enters the Main Menu
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23:49:39neighborsAt least in 2.2.1
23:50:10Paul_The_NerdBut the first place it mentions the main menu, it says to hold the play button.
23:50:20neighborsYeah, I know I saw that somewhere
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23:50:24Bagdernah
23:50:29Bagderget a newer manual ;-)
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23:51:10Paul_The_NerdHehehe
23:52:25neighborsIt's section 3.1 that says it
23:52:38neighborsparagraph 2
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23:57:24*S0ap reads rumors of a c64emu in the chat logs and runs off to search.
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23:58:26linuxstb_S0ap: I don't think the code was published...
23:58:30EbErTis there a reason why dualboot can't boot to apple software on ipods without pluging it in?
23:58:43 Quit ender` (" I went to a general store. They wouldn't let me buy anything specifically.")
23:58:51linuxstb_huh?
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23:58:55EbErTor is it not possible for some reason

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