00:00:36 | A_M | I'm fiddeling with some ideas on preference based song selection where you can bias songs based on filters so that some (for example genre=metal) are more likely to be played more often than others. but for what I'm trying now I'd need at least two ints for each entry in the current playlist (so potentially as many as the maximum amount of songs) |
00:02:53 | linuxstb_ | I don't know the playlist code at all, so can't really help... |
00:03:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | On a completely unrelated note, I now have conclusive evidence that our control scheme is more intuitive than Apples (yes, I know there's no such thing as conclusive evidence of intuitiveness): My mother purchased an iPod today, and while watching her try to navigate it for the first time, she continually tried to press left and right for navigating into and out of menus, and tried to press menu a few times to get to the actu |
00:03:46 | linuxstb_ | :) That's conclusive then - proof by Paul's mother. |
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00:04:02 | Juxt | hey goffa |
00:04:09 | Mikachu | if there was a lot more after "get to the actu" we missed something |
00:04:10 | Juxt | in general, how do you like he x5 |
00:04:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | She's never handled an MP3 player before in her life, so any preconceived notions were from other types of stuff. |
00:04:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: actual options. |
00:04:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry, I always forget there's a length limit. |
00:04:57 | PaulJam | Paul_The_Nerd: now erase her memory and give her a rockboxed ipod. |
00:05:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hahaha |
00:05:28 | A_M | right now I'm not even touching the playlist (or for that matter any rockbox) code. I'm just making standalone win32 tests, but I'd like to avoid doing stuff that can't later be ported to rockbox. |
00:06:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | A_M: Well, are you looking at it from the angle of playlist generation or what? |
00:10:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | What are the two ints per entry for right now? |
00:11:59 | A_M | initially I was just thinking of playlist generation but now I'm leaning more towards wanting to make things work on-the-fly, like a smart-list format that could be used for playback instead of traditional playlists |
00:12:15 | CYPER^ | how can I position that tag: %pv |
00:12:26 | CYPER^ | I want it like 5 pixels more right |
00:12:32 | CYPER^ | more to the right |
00:12:34 | Mikachu | put a space before |
00:12:49 | CYPER^ | just a normal space, like press the key in the wps file? |
00:13:08 | linuxstb_ | A_M: That sounds like it should be integrated with tagcache. |
00:13:46 | CYPER^ | Mikachu how do you put space? |
00:13:53 | Mikachu | like this |
00:14:07 | CYPER^ | so I was right :P |
00:14:38 | Juxt | goffa - u there? |
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00:15:09 | CYPER^ | Yeah it works :D |
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00:15:12 | goffa_ | Juxt: now i am |
00:15:15 | goffa_ | just got home |
00:15:24 | Juxt | that was quick |
00:15:29 | Juxt | telecommuter |
00:15:29 | Juxt | ? |
00:15:35 | CYPER^ | Mikachu what about 5 pixels up? |
00:15:42 | Juxt | do you have the remote for your x5 ? |
00:15:42 | Mikachu | can't help there |
00:15:45 | goffa_ | nah.. live in a small town |
00:15:46 | CYPER^ | put it on the upper line or what? |
00:15:47 | Mikachu | what is %pv? |
00:15:51 | goffa_ | 2 mins from work :) |
00:15:53 | CYPER^ | volume |
00:15:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Percent Volume? |
00:15:59 | A_M | the ints are one for bias and one for the position of each song in a playlist or tagcache or whatever (was planning to reuse playlist or tagcache for the actual list of files to select from). so yeah just the one int might be strictly necessary if I altered the playlist or tagcache code... |
00:16:04 | CYPER^ | Current volume. |
00:16:11 | CYPER^ | dB |
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00:16:13 | goffa_ | running screen from home so i don't actually log out of the chat |
00:16:21 | Mikachu | if it's just text you can't position it pixelwise |
00:16:40 | goffa_ | i don't have a remote for the x5 |
00:16:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | A_M: Instead of changing the internal playlist format, why not just use the weighting to generate the playlist? |
00:16:48 | CYPER^ | 10x again :) |
00:17:11 | Juxt | ever seen one? just wondering because you can get a decent deal on one if you buy the player and remote from cowan at the same time |
00:17:17 | CYPER^ | Hpw many pictures can I put for %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10> |
00:17:20 | CYPER^ | is 10 max? |
00:17:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | If they want 100 songs, with Metal weighted at heaviest, then Hard Rock, then Rock, then when it randomly picks songs to put in the playlist, it picks random numbers of each genre, with the remainder going to the lowest weighted? |
00:17:32 | Mikachu | i think you can position the bitmaps though |
00:17:37 | Mikachu | in the line that loads the actual file |
00:17:39 | CYPER^ | fot bitmaps I know how |
00:17:45 | goffa_ | i haven't seen one |
00:17:51 | goffa_ | havent felt the need |
00:17:57 | CYPER^ | but how many bitmaps can you put for %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10> |
00:17:59 | goffa_ | if it was wireless i'd probably do it |
00:18:15 | goffa_ | i've got the radio transmitter/charger |
00:18:19 | goffa_ | that's worth it |
00:18:29 | goffa_ | although.. don't use the charger while using aux in |
00:18:37 | Juxt | both in 1 devicve ? |
00:18:42 | goffa_ | yeah |
00:18:47 | Juxt | hmm |
00:19:01 | pixelma | CYPER^: 0 to10 makes 11 bitmaps |
00:19:01 | Juxt | for the car right ? |
00:19:08 | goffa_ | if you use charger with aux in you'll hear a hum.. yeah for the car |
00:19:16 | goffa_ | over the radio hum is inaudible |
00:19:24 | goffa_ | but then songs are going over the radio :) |
00:19:29 | CYPER^ | pixelma does this mean that 11 is the max number? |
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00:19:51 | CYPER^ | what will happen if: %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|> |
00:20:15 | goffa_ | i've found it to be very handy though |
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00:20:42 | Juxt | yeah sounds like a good device |
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00:21:07 | goffa_ | i like the build quality of the x5 too |
00:21:21 | Juxt | yeah i have heard its very solid |
00:21:22 | goffa_ | built with steel.. although... gets hot if you leave it in the sun |
00:21:24 | pixelma | CYPER^: I tried that once... it ignores the ones after position 10 |
00:21:43 | Juxt | i hide from the sun |
00:21:52 | goffa_ | i do too now :) |
00:22:16 | goffa_ | one day i wasn't thinking and just about got the iaudio logo branded into my hand :) |
00:22:22 | CYPER^ | 10x pixelma - you saved me some time :) |
00:22:26 | Juxt | wow this is one helluva deal - $179 for a widescreen lcd - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824252002 |
00:23:34 | goffa_ | yeah.. the floor has dropped out fo the lcd market |
00:23:46 | goffa_ | 19's are going for under $200 a lot |
00:24:05 | Juxt | first widescrren i have seen that low |
00:24:29 | goffa_ | yeah |
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00:25:53 | A_M | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, that was the original plan. but then I started thinking about what would happen if I allow songs to appear more than once. |
00:25:57 | A_M | Paul_The_Nerd: if I dont allow songs to appear more than once then after a while of playback you're left with just the leftovers (low-weighted songs). |
00:26:02 | A_M | Paul_The_Nerd: but if I do allow high-weighted songs to appear more than once and yet always want all files to have at least a slim chance of getting |
00:26:06 | A_M | Paul_The_Nerd: chosen for playback then you'd need the generated playlist to be longer than the list of files you choose from. |
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00:30:11 | A_M | Paul_The_Nerd: additionally, if you may in the future also want to do weighting on things that may be altered in run-time, like rating, or how long ago a song was playing or so. it would be better if you could just change the weighting for this song when this info is altered without having to regenerate the entire list. |
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00:51:15 | RaeNye | Hya |
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00:52:36 | goffa_ | hi RaeNye |
00:52:47 | goffa_ | how's the x5 work comin? |
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00:53:37 | RaeNye | I got the debian colinux set |
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00:54:10 | RaeNye | finally I saw how the UI sim *looks like* |
00:54:14 | goffa_ | cool |
00:55:00 | RaeNye | now I'm resyncing my patches and doing the test compiles linus wanted |
00:55:28 | goffa_ | going to be nice to have that stuff working |
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00:58:30 | RaeNye | yeah... too bad my own X5 isn't :( |
00:58:45 | goffa_ | what happened to yours anyway? |
00:58:56 | goffa_ | i had to send my h140 in today |
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00:59:34 | RaeNye | doesn't respond anymore. No idea why. |
00:59:49 | goffa_ | i suppose warranty is up? |
01:00 |
01:00:16 | goffa_ | they were good when my screen broke |
01:00:37 | RaeNye | Two days ago it did the same thing and after 30 mins of tampering with it, suddenly it behaved normally. Then yesterday it died again. |
01:00:55 | RaeNye | Yeah, it's only 3 months old. I'll prolly go to the store tomorrw |
01:01:19 | goffa_ | yeah... good idea |
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01:02:47 | RaeNye | The weird thing is that when I try to pull the power switch, rarely it does a small backlight flicker. But save that, it doesn't respond to anything (AC, USB, reset, ...) |
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01:03:33 | goffa_ | odd |
01:04:01 | RaeNye | hya linuxstb |
01:05:02 | RaeNye | goffa_: are you using a real IRC client or the webthingy? |
01:06:02 | BloodySorcerer | RaeNye, your X5 kicked the can? |
01:07:02 | goffa_ | irssi to be specific |
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01:07:52 | goffa_ | why? |
01:08:00 | RaeNye | bs: seems so |
01:08:08 | BloodySorcerer | that sucks :( |
01:08:15 | RaeNye | I'm on the webthing, and it lags miserably |
01:08:21 | goffa_ | ah |
01:08:51 | goffa_ | yeah.. i had some pretty nasty lag at work.. but that's work's fault :) |
01:08:54 | RaeNye | I know... but it's under warranty and I have backup for everything on it, so no major loss occured. |
01:09:36 | BloodySorcerer | what about the presence of rockbox? |
01:09:37 | BloodySorcerer | lol |
01:09:43 | RaeNye | is irssi for windows or linux? I only used mirc (but that was AGES ago) |
01:09:50 | goffa_ | linux |
01:09:50 | BloodySorcerer | irssi is for linux |
01:09:59 | BloodySorcerer | or cygwin maybe |
01:10:07 | goffa_ | um.. i think there's a windows xchat client if you are on there |
01:10:15 | BloodySorcerer | yeahy |
01:10:17 | BloodySorcerer | im running it |
01:10:34 | ke4nt | www.silverex.org |
01:10:42 | RaeNye | bs: I'd eliminate it if I could, but as long as they're not inspecting the HDD they won't find out because of the dual-bootloader :-)) |
01:10:48 | BloodySorcerer | hehehe |
01:10:58 | sharpe | the silverex build kept crashing for me :) |
01:10:59 | BloodySorcerer | dual boot rocks... |
01:11:13 | BloodySorcerer | does 2.10-k support file transfer over the USBOTG port? |
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01:11:26 | goffa_ | nice ke4nt |
01:11:26 | RaeNye | I have both, but the main is windows |
01:12:09 | RaeNye | yeah. USBOTG is the main reason for dualbooting anyway |
01:12:10 | BloodySorcerer | ive got some old as heck build |
01:12:18 | goffa_ | me too |
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01:12:25 | BloodySorcerer | Rae, i meant as USB slave |
01:12:32 | BloodySorcerer | cause don't some 2.10-? builds support it? |
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01:12:33 | goffa_ | ever since musepack got support under rockbox |
01:12:40 | BloodySorcerer | (eliminating the subpack to some extent?) |
01:13:09 | BloodySorcerer | ah, yup |
01:13:11 | BloodySorcerer | it does :D |
01:13:23 | BloodySorcerer | just have to boot it as stock firmware |
01:13:27 | BloodySorcerer | then it's connection-aware |
01:13:36 | RaeNye | hmm.. I'm not sure. I know it works with 2.10-e which is 2.10-k without DRM, but.. |
01:13:58 | RaeNye | Yeah, USBOTG is not able to wake up the device anyway |
01:14:05 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
01:14:10 | BloodySorcerer | hmm |
01:14:26 | goffa_ | bbl.. going to swim |
01:14:27 | BloodySorcerer | yeah, it shows up as UMS |
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01:14:33 | BloodySorcerer | wonder if itll also do MTP... |
01:14:48 | RaeNye | btw, if you lshw it, you can see differences between the USB id stuff between subpack and otg |
01:15:02 | RaeNye | I managed to MTP with my camera |
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01:15:11 | RaeNye | bye goffa |
01:15:30 | BloodySorcerer | i wish it'd connect to my camera :( |
01:15:45 | qwm | what is better than discussing difficult rockbox situations over lunch? |
01:15:50 | RaeNye | which one you have? I got Canon A85 |
01:15:56 | BloodySorcerer | canon A610 |
01:16:01 | RaeNye | having sex, obviously |
01:16:13 | qwm | no, discussing them over a fancy dinner! |
01:16:15 | qwm | or.. |
01:16:17 | qwm | you might be right. |
01:16:18 | BloodySorcerer | developing rockbox over lunch! |
01:16:25 | qwm | you're right RaeNye |
01:16:47 | RaeNye | :) |
01:17:04 | BloodySorcerer | argh, i hate AA batteries |
01:17:09 | BloodySorcerer | i should just get some rechargables |
01:17:15 | BloodySorcerer | (or, indeed, many many rechargables) |
01:17:21 | qwm | -AA and i agree. |
01:17:49 | qwm | i fear the battery in my ipod more than i fear death. |
01:18:12 | qwm | well.. i fear the day it'll stop working. |
01:18:25 | BloodySorcerer | hehe |
01:18:31 | BloodySorcerer | i hope the one in my X5L never dies |
01:18:34 | BloodySorcerer | or at least not for a while |
01:18:37 | * | BloodySorcerer crosses his fingers |
01:18:53 | RaeNye | I got some rechargeables for the wireless mouse. It eats power. |
01:19:10 | BloodySorcerer | hmm |
01:19:11 | BloodySorcerer | i just realized |
01:19:12 | sharpe | yeah, electronics do that. |
01:19:16 | RaeNye | BS: actually replacing the X5L battery is almost painless |
01:19:17 | BloodySorcerer | i dunno how to use USBOTG on the stock firmware. |
01:19:24 | BloodySorcerer | are there replacement batteries? |
01:19:26 | sharpe | :) |
01:19:45 | BloodySorcerer | and i just realized that rockbox style controls do not work in the OF |
01:19:46 | BloodySorcerer | :D |
01:19:56 | RaeNye | you have there one small soldered one and a big one with a mini-connector. |
01:20:00 | RaeNye | sharpe: :) |
01:21:11 | BloodySorcerer | yayayay |
01:21:18 | BloodySorcerer | USBOTG works on my camera now! |
01:21:19 | BloodySorcerer | woooooooo |
01:21:36 | BloodySorcerer | now lets see if i can view the image in rockbox... |
01:21:39 | RaeNye | congrats |
01:21:46 | BloodySorcerer | w00t! |
01:21:47 | BloodySorcerer | :D |
01:22:10 | BloodySorcerer | we need USBOTG implemented on rockbox |
01:22:14 | BloodySorcerer | then remote camera control :D |
01:22:21 | RaeNye | it didn't work with the 2.07-e version for me either. |
01:22:30 | RaeNye | :)) |
01:22:34 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
01:22:40 | qwm | -we need+i want. |
01:22:40 | qwm | :p |
01:22:41 | BloodySorcerer | it didnt work in my old OF so i wasnt too hopeful |
01:22:45 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
01:22:57 | BloodySorcerer | qwm, that *should* be the same thing :D |
01:23:18 | * | BloodySorcerer just realized that he has no value to the rockbox project as anything but an obnoxious user |
01:23:19 | BloodySorcerer | :D |
01:23:21 | RaeNye | Actually I've been researching USBOTG OF code. I might be able to detect connection ** if I had a X5 to try this on ** |
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01:23:31 | BloodySorcerer | hehe |
01:23:41 | BloodySorcerer | i'd love to do dev for rockbox, but im afraid of doing pretty much anything |
01:23:46 | BloodySorcerer | out of fear of the dreaded brick |
01:23:46 | qwm | hehe. |
01:23:53 | BloodySorcerer | and my general non-knowledge of compiling in linux |
01:24:17 | RaeNye | so do high-level code (the kind you can test thoroughly on UI simulator) |
01:24:28 | BloodySorcerer | i dont know where to start |
01:24:45 | BloodySorcerer | i'd write a plugin for the "hello world" experience, but the guide is vague and i dunno what im doing in general |
01:24:47 | RaeNye | you know C |
01:24:48 | RaeNye | ? |
01:24:50 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
01:25:16 | RaeNye | you compiled CVS alright? |
01:25:46 | RaeNye | you are able to compile patched builds (maybe even resync when necessary)? |
01:25:52 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
01:26:31 | RaeNye | what doesn't work with the hello world plugin? |
01:26:46 | BloodySorcerer | nothing, except the lack of one :) |
01:26:52 | sharpe | there is one... |
01:26:57 | BloodySorcerer | *goes to site* |
01:27:15 | sharpe | last time i checked, it was still in the source. |
01:27:32 | * | BloodySorcerer checks his source |
01:27:34 | RaeNye | maybe it's not in SOURCES |
01:27:36 | sharpe | it just isn't set to build along with rockbox. (not included in the SOURCES file) |
01:28:02 | BloodySorcerer | ah, yup. |
01:28:04 | BloodySorcerer | there it is |
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01:32:53 | BloodySorcerer | so it'll compile stuff in the SOURCES file? |
01:33:15 | BloodySorcerer | so if i were to add "helloworld.c" to the SOURCES file under plugins common to all models it'd build it for any model/sim? |
01:33:25 | RaeNye | exactly |
01:33:26 | sharpe | yes, just add the helloworld.c to the file. |
01:33:30 | BloodySorcerer | ooki |
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01:34:50 | juxtap | how can i add an audio input on my ipod? :] |
01:35:21 | sharpe | you mean record? |
01:35:37 | juxtap | well yeah that's the idea |
01:35:43 | juxtap | (when rockbox supports that) |
01:36:07 | juxtap | but i'm wondering if an adapter is available to buy |
01:36:10 | sharpe | it's just not supported on ipods yet. i believe linuxstb is working on it... |
01:36:17 | juxtap | yeah he is |
01:36:22 | BloodySorcerer | do ipods have line in or anything? |
01:36:24 | sharpe | the ipods (as far as i know) all record through the headphone jack |
01:36:25 | linuxstb_ | See http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector |
01:36:29 | sharpe | i think they've a line in... |
01:36:29 | BloodySorcerer | ah |
01:36:58 | juxtap | i think 5g ipods will go through the usb connector? |
01:37:18 | juxtap | dock connector |
01:39:58 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the official recording accessories for the 5g all seem to plug into the dock connector. |
01:40:49 | juxtap | recording accessories? where?! |
01:40:57 | sharpe | just a guess, apple.com? |
01:41:01 | sharpe | :) |
01:41:28 | BloodySorcerer | yay!! |
01:41:32 | BloodySorcerer | hellworld plugin built and runs |
01:41:33 | BloodySorcerer | :D |
01:41:34 | juxtap | i assumed it was a hack |
01:41:45 | juxtap | more people would know about it otherwise :p |
01:42:05 | juxtap | i've never heard of anyone recording onto their ipod |
01:42:17 | linuxstb_ | Google for italk... |
01:42:19 | RaeNye | bs:cool. |
01:42:49 | RaeNye | now do something more difficult :-P |
01:43:00 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
01:43:07 | BloodySorcerer | first i have to think of something to do |
01:43:41 | sharpe | yeah, you run out of ideas quickly. |
01:43:53 | BloodySorcerer | and then i have to figure out why its compiling soooo slowly |
01:43:54 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
01:44:08 | sharpe | using cygwin are ye? |
01:44:12 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
01:44:15 | sharpe | that'd be why. |
01:44:28 | RaeNye | I never run out idea, just of coding time |
01:44:30 | RaeNye | s |
01:44:37 | BloodySorcerer | but the sim compiled significantly slower than the normal firmware... |
01:44:39 | * | BloodySorcerer shrugs |
01:44:46 | BloodySorcerer | time to tinker with things i suppose |
01:45:36 | RaeNye | x86 is a more complicated processor, so optimization is harder |
01:45:42 | BloodySorcerer | oh |
01:45:50 | BloodySorcerer | something about that just feels ironic |
01:46:36 | RaeNye | optimization FOR it, not BY it |
01:46:52 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
01:47:06 | RaeNye | anyone wants to commit FS #5681? it's a no-brainer |
01:48:42 | * | RaeNye wonders when he will get commit access |
01:49:08 | sharpe | way before i do. :) |
01:49:25 | petur | just be nice to LinusN/Bagder/Zagor :) |
01:49:49 | * | petur wanted to mention something about beer too :D |
01:50:25 | * | RaeNye bribes with more expensive alcohol |
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01:51:17 | petur | that patch just maps the ESC key to POWER |
01:51:45 | sharpe | i couldn't tell that at all... :) |
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01:52:25 | RaeNye | I know. that's why no programming experience is needed to commit it :) |
01:52:35 | petur | sorry, I'm still 5 degrees celcius above my limit for thinking |
01:52:50 | * | petur longs for winter |
01:53:02 | sharpe | gee. that's nine degrees fahrenheit. ahah... |
01:53:08 | RaeNye | where are you from? |
01:53:15 | petur | Belgium |
01:53:33 | RaeNye | and what's the temp around there? |
01:53:47 | petur | it's still 30 degrees celcius right now (1:53 AM) |
01:54:14 | RaeNye | how's the humidity? |
01:54:28 | petur | no idea |
01:54:35 | BloodySorcerer | its humid and hot as heck here. |
01:54:37 | * | linuxstb is looking forward to 36°C in London tomorrow... |
01:54:44 | BloodySorcerer | which almost passes as a heck of a lot of alliteration |
01:55:23 | RaeNye | here (Tel Aviv) we have ~35 with 90% humidity from May to October. I'm used to the heat :) |
01:55:33 | BloodySorcerer | @_@ |
01:56:24 | petur | yuck.... |
01:56:52 | BloodySorcerer | nevermind, weather here is loverly compared to that :) |
01:56:58 | * | BloodySorcerer folds |
01:57:45 | RaeNye | lol. That's not so bad as you may think. We mostly stay in well cooled buildings :) |
01:58:08 | RaeNye | Air conditioning is everywhere |
01:58:25 | sharpe | 33°C for me right now... |
01:58:52 | * | BloodySorcerer is quickly remembering why he usually doesn't code in C |
01:59:28 | sharpe | suppose to be 34 tomorrow... |
01:59:59 | petur | RaeNye: commit coming up ;) |
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02:00:20 | sharpe | gah, i never spot things like that. |
02:00:38 | RaeNye | 10x |
02:01:06 | RaeNye | bs: what's your lang? |
02:01:24 | RaeNye | Mine's Python |
02:01:30 | BloodySorcerer | i started on java |
02:01:39 | BloodySorcerer | so naturally i'm used to lazy coding :) |
02:01:47 | BloodySorcerer | transitioned halfway decently to C++ |
02:02:07 | * | petur spots TAB's in the patched code just before commit |
02:02:21 | BloodySorcerer | dun dun dun dunnnn |
02:02:22 | sharpe | oh no!! |
02:02:38 | RaeNye | !? |
02:02:43 | BloodySorcerer | @~!? |
02:03:15 | sharpe | RaeNye: how could you use tabs?! |
02:03:19 | RaeNye | I don't do tabs. They're evil. You could blame me for 2 spaces instead of four, though. |
02:03:52 | petur | weird. there were two tabs in front of the break statement |
02:04:20 | RaeNye | maybe vi put them there? |
02:04:22 | * | BloodySorcerer twiddles thumbs and waits for cygwin to compile |
02:04:46 | RaeNye | It's a new dev-env, afterall |
02:05:25 | RaeNye | is there an option to tell vi never to do this blasphemy again? |
02:05:46 | BloodySorcerer | slap it and use something else? |
02:05:46 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
02:07:41 | linuxstb | juxtap: This is one of the official line-in/microphone adapters for the 5g: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1989254,00.asp |
02:07:56 | linuxstb | I _think_ it's just become available in stores in the last week or so. |
02:08:19 | RaeNye | vi is obligatory for less-than-7-lines long changes |
02:08:20 | BloodySorcerer | whats the flag to pass to the sim to show the player body and buttons? |
02:08:30 | RaeNye | −−background |
02:08:41 | BloodySorcerer | ah, better |
02:08:41 | BloodySorcerer | thanks |
02:09:11 | RaeNye | BTW, the first thing i do with sim build is to cancel the "first key only lights backlight" thing |
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02:21:38 | petur | duh... h300 doesn't have power button :/ |
02:22:06 | CYPER^ | One thing I can't understand: How can I place %bt wherever I want? |
02:22:23 | CYPER^ | or any other similar tag |
02:24:21 | RaeNye | ? |
02:24:43 | CYPER^ | I'm editing one wps |
02:24:44 | RaeNye | petur: it's wrapped in a #ifdef |
02:25:01 | CYPER^ | and don't know how to place it |
02:25:04 | CYPER^ | so I can see it |
02:25:29 | petur | RaeNye: I know, it's no bug, just wanted to test it and build the wrong target ;) |
02:26:21 | midkay | CYPER^: you just *put* it somewhere. WPs' are line-based so whatever line you put it on it'll appear. things appear just one-after-the-other on each line. check the alignment tags too.. |
02:27:11 | pixelma | CYPER^: did you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS ? |
02:27:39 | CYPER^ | what I'm trying to do is add "battery left" info to the SimpleHelv wps |
02:27:43 | CYPER^ | can you help please? |
02:27:59 | CYPER^ | I want to put it in the upper left corner next to the battery icon |
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02:28:17 | CYPER^ | pixelma I've been reading it for 5 hours |
02:28:29 | sharpe | there aren't that many words on it... |
02:28:50 | CYPER^ | I know, but it's difficult to understand |
02:29:03 | RaeNye | just experiment on a sim build |
02:29:06 | sharpe | ooh, understanding it for five hours. okay. |
02:29:20 | CYPER^ | in one wps file there are like 50 lines |
02:29:48 | CYPER^ | that for the battery icon: %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>> |
02:30:01 | CYPER^ | I change it to: %bt %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>> |
02:30:06 | CYPER^ | didn't show up |
02:30:17 | CYPER^ | or %?bp<%xdF|%?bl<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE>> %bt |
02:30:38 | RaeNye | If the only thing in the WPS is %bt, does it work? |
02:31:02 | CYPER^ | I haven't tried. What's the point? |
02:31:16 | RaeNye | sanity check |
02:31:23 | petur | :) |
02:31:38 | CYPER^ | :) |
02:31:47 | CYPER^ | anybody willing to help? |
02:31:48 | pixelma | CYPER^: you have to put it on the line above the one with the playlist info (probably blank ATM) |
02:32:05 | RaeNye | no, really. If it doesn't work *alone* then something's wrong |
02:32:34 | sharpe | like... insanely wrong. |
02:32:36 | CYPER^ | I havent tried |
02:33:07 | CYPER^ | ok see |
02:33:08 | CYPER^ | http://cyper-bg.com/SimpleHelv.wps |
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02:33:26 | CYPER^ | see the part Battery |
02:35:14 | petur | RaeNye: I've build an x5 sim but pressing the ESC key doesn't really do much. Shouldn't a power button shut down or something? |
02:35:16 | pixelma | ah no I guess it doesn't work this way - on this line a progress bar is defined that hass to be on its own line... |
02:35:23 | pixelma | *has |
02:35:31 | RaeNye | no, it's for exiting plugins, etc. |
02:35:47 | RaeNye | couldn't do it any other way |
02:36:23 | RaeNye | it's like a short POWER press |
02:36:26 | CYPER^ | pixelma any other solution then? |
02:36:26 | petur | ah, ok that seems to work |
02:36:32 | pixelma | CYPER^: bitmaps work because they are placed by giving positions |
02:36:43 | * | RaeNye has hidden the bug well :) |
02:36:57 | CYPER^ | I know that, but do you do with just plain tags |
02:37:03 | CYPER^ | how do you position them? |
02:37:55 | pixelma | if you want to keep the progress bar... I have no solution for this |
02:38:39 | CYPER^ | too bad for me :( |
02:38:46 | CYPER^ | I can't even build my own theme :( |
02:39:04 | CYPER^ | all I want is dynamic battery icon + time left |
02:39:40 | pixelma | as midkay said: put it on the line you want and use align tags |
02:40:11 | sharpe | midkay?! |
02:40:17 | midkay | sharpe?! |
02:40:30 | sharpe | i haven't seen you in years! how've you been?! |
02:40:57 | CYPER^ | but how do i understand which line in the wps file corresponds to which line on the ipod |
02:41:29 | midkay | i was great until you started talking to me. |
02:41:38 | sharpe | ... |
02:41:57 | midkay | CYPER^: not only are you supposed to check the lines for the tags to see what's what, but you have *comments* all over that WPS - that's rare. |
02:42:37 | CYPER^ | I surrended :( |
02:42:41 | CYPER^ | surrender |
02:45:31 | pixelma | CYPER^: very hard to explain in just a few words... maybe you can study different wps codes to understand how it works (just a suggestion) |
02:47:13 | sharpe | it's not like you're ordering him to anyway. |
02:48:28 | pixelma | thanks sharpe :) |
02:48:38 | sharpe | hey, it's what i'm here for. |
02:48:46 | sharpe | :) |
02:48:48 | pixelma | and the SimpleHelv isn't a good start maybe because of all the comment lines |
02:49:29 | CYPER^ | that's the 3rd wps I'm trying to reconstruct |
02:49:42 | CYPER^ | at the end I just can't make it work |
02:50:12 | CYPER^ | is there a web site where I can download some other themes |
02:50:28 | CYPER^ | http://rockbox-themes.org I checked it |
02:50:29 | sharpe | CYPER^: maybe you can take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking if you want to write one yourself.. |
02:50:50 | CYPER^ | actually I was lookint at this |
02:50:51 | CYPER^ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
02:51:18 | sharpe | yeah, but you may understand that one better... just a thought... |
02:52:08 | CYPER^ | tomorrow maybe - it's too late now to think :) |
02:52:45 | pixelma | I assume you checked the wps gallery? |
02:52:54 | CYPER^ | yes |
02:52:58 | RaeNye | 10x petur. My next patch to commit is the X5 contrast & brightness. This one has no tabs, I just checked. |
02:53:17 | CYPER^ | and about SimpleHev - I added that %bt on 3 different places, but nothing extra shows on the screen |
02:53:23 | CYPER^ | strange |
02:54:00 | petur | RaeNye: sorry, I'm off to bed soon and anyway, I don't commit if I can't test... |
02:54:28 | RaeNye | np, I prefer to let all devs enjoy my patches :) |
02:55:25 | RaeNye | sweet dreams. |
02:56:08 | CYPER^ | good night everybody :) |
02:56:13 | CYPER^ | thanks for the support :) |
02:56:19 | sharpe | g'night |
02:56:19 | CYPER^ | bye |
02:56:25 | pixelma | night |
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03:05:08 | RaeNye | I'll be off to bed as well. G'night all! |
03:05:19 | sharpe | 'night. |
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04:49:07 | goffa_ | heh.. everyone must be burnt out |
04:49:11 | goffa_ | awfully dead in here |
04:49:55 | midkay | there's just nothing to say! |
04:50:05 | goffa_ | i doubt that :) |
04:50:35 | goffa_ | more happened today than in the last 2 months .. at least it felt that way :) |
04:50:44 | goffa_ | but then i own an x5 |
04:51:43 | sharpe | i just have nothing to do... |
04:52:11 | * | midkay is frustrated with mapping. |
04:52:11 | goffa_ | do you code? i can give you something to do :) |
04:52:17 | midkay | haha. |
04:52:19 | sharpe | maybe... |
04:52:22 | sharpe | midkay: mapping? |
04:52:34 | midkay | sharpe: my hl2dm map? hello? :) |
04:52:44 | sharpe | you've never told me of that |
04:53:13 | midkay | well, i've talked to scorche in the channel about it several times while you were around, and i'm quite sure you inquired and were enlightened... |
04:53:39 | sharpe | i was probably on the phone at the time, not listening, as i was using my headset. :) |
04:53:59 | midkay | i've been working on it for probably 3 weeks, it was before "that time" you were on the phone. :) |
04:54:20 | sharpe | i must've just not cared enough to remember. :-D |
04:54:24 | midkay | haha. |
04:54:28 | midkay | what an a-hole. |
04:54:34 | goffa_ | he he he |
04:54:37 | sharpe | just returning the favor. |
04:55:00 | midkay | haha. |
04:55:02 | midkay | sigh. gah. |
04:56:26 | sharpe | goffa_: what was that about the coding? :) |
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04:57:23 | goffa_ | well... i'd like to get a patch that would implement queue and play as a default action |
04:57:40 | goffa_ | like when you go into your file browser and pick a file |
04:57:52 | goffa_ | have it just play that instead of blowing away your list |
04:57:53 | BloodySorcerer | i'd like an easy way to clear a playlist. |
04:58:03 | BloodySorcerer | or am i dumb and there is one but i havent discovered it? |
04:58:16 | sharpe | there's an option to clear the list in the playlist options menu... |
04:58:18 | midkay | in "playlist options".. |
04:58:20 | midkay | bah you. |
04:58:29 | sharpe | love you too midkay. |
04:58:34 | midkay | hugs. |
04:58:42 | goffa_ | what i don't understand is why the default action is the way it is.. |
04:58:42 | * | BloodySorcerer looks |
04:58:49 | goffa_ | if i want to listen to a dir i just turn shuffle off |
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04:59:21 | BloodySorcerer | derr |
04:59:23 | BloodySorcerer | all i see is |
04:59:33 | BloodySorcerer | view current playlist, search in playlist, save current playlist, and reshuffle |
04:59:42 | goffa_ | BloodySorcerer: could you make an empty m3u? |
04:59:51 | midkay | is there already a playlist active? |
04:59:55 | BloodySorcerer | yes, i suppose |
04:59:56 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
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05:00:11 | goffa_ | and... other question.. why do you want to have a clear list? |
05:00:24 | sharpe | when viewing the current playlist, does it show a playlist, or do nothing? |
05:00:30 | BloodySorcerer | it shows a playlist |
05:00:34 | sharpe | okay... |
05:00:38 | midkay | hmm, i forgot.. i thought there was an option there.. |
05:00:44 | sharpe | me too... |
05:00:52 | BloodySorcerer | theres the remove track thing |
05:00:58 | sharpe | i thought i just used it a little while ago... |
05:00:59 | BloodySorcerer | but that tends to get tedious fast... |
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05:01:15 | midkay | BloodySorcerer: stopping playback erases it, i think, no? |
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05:01:26 | BloodySorcerer | i dunno |
05:01:28 | BloodySorcerer | stop? |
05:01:32 | BloodySorcerer | theres a stop function? |
05:01:33 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
05:01:39 | midkay | yes? |
05:01:42 | sharpe | hold play a second or two |
05:01:42 | midkay | iPod..? hold play. |
05:01:46 | BloodySorcerer | x5 |
05:01:51 | midkay | shut up sharpe. it was my suggestion. i get to teach him. |
05:01:59 | goffa_ | lol |
05:02:00 | midkay | i think x5 has 'play' too right? it should be the same key.. |
05:02:02 | BloodySorcerer | lol |
05:02:04 | BloodySorcerer | yeah |
05:02:12 | midkay | just hold it for a second. |
05:02:13 | goffa_ | yeah.. x5 has play |
05:02:25 | sharpe | midkay: i'm just here to help, no need to viciously lash out at my attempt to help... |
05:02:31 | BloodySorcerer | lol |
05:02:37 | BloodySorcerer | stop wanting to help so badly you 2 :-P |
05:02:38 | midkay | i didn't viciously lash out, i said "shut up". |
05:02:46 | sharpe | that's lashing out. |
05:02:48 | midkay | don't try to help. you fail. |
05:02:59 | midkay | that's lashing out, sure, but not 'viciously' lashing out. |
05:02:59 | sharpe | you're the one who can't spell, parentheses. |
05:03:12 | midkay | you're the one that can't spell those few words i've seen you misspell a few times! |
05:03:15 | goffa_ | lol.. go make my patch :) |
05:03:18 | BloodySorcerer | lol |
05:03:23 | BloodySorcerer | hmm |
05:03:25 | sharpe | oh gah, way to bring that up, such a comeback! |
05:03:27 | BloodySorcerer | stopping does indeed clear the playlist |
05:03:27 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
05:03:35 | midkay | genius indeed. |
05:03:45 | sharpe | of course. |
05:03:49 | goffa_ | well.. one problem solved |
05:04:04 | BloodySorcerer | 2, actually |
05:04:07 | BloodySorcerer | the problem of "wheres stop" |
05:04:11 | BloodySorcerer | and the problem of "wheres clear" |
05:04:12 | BloodySorcerer | ;) |
05:04:19 | sharpe | goffa_: so you just want to be able to play a song without it changing the playlist? |
05:04:25 | goffa_ | sharpe: yes |
05:04:36 | sharpe | ah... |
05:04:49 | sharpe | like a one time thing? |
05:04:59 | goffa_ | yeah.. |
05:05:05 | goffa_ | well.. like |
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05:05:06 | sharpe | ah... |
05:05:13 | goffa_ | you pick a song it plays that song |
05:05:16 | goffa_ | then goes to the next one in the list |
05:05:33 | sharpe | uh huh... |
05:05:42 | goffa_ | like not queue the dir by default |
05:05:55 | sharpe | that's how i always lose my playlists |
05:05:56 | midkay | YES. YES. YES. i own. |
05:06:08 | goffa_ | same here |
05:06:12 | goffa_ | pisses me off :) |
05:06:14 | sharpe | midkay: finally figure out how to make that cube solid? :-D |
05:06:19 | goffa_ | i have to go and reload root.m3u |
05:06:32 | midkay | sharpe: haha. what the hell. you can't make a nonsolid cube you stupid tart. |
05:06:32 | tritoch | i followed all the instructions on the rockbox wiki under ipodinstallation for my ipod nano, but i cant get it to load |
05:06:58 | sharpe | tritoch: well, the obligatory question, what happens when your ipod boots? |
05:07:09 | tritoch | it goes to apples menu |
05:07:20 | sharpe | do you see the rockbox bootloader? |
05:07:26 | tritoch | unless rockbox looks the exact same |
05:07:26 | tritoch | no |
05:07:36 | sharpe | did you actually install the bootloader? |
05:07:37 | tritoch | not since i unplugged it after installing the bootloader |
05:07:39 | tritoch | yes |
05:07:41 | tritoch | i saw the -1 status |
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05:07:45 | tritoch | then i installed rockbox |
05:07:54 | tritoch | just wont boot it |
05:08:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | What does it say? |
05:08:10 | sharpe | hold select and menu, and tell me if it gives an error code when it boots up. |
05:08:12 | tritoch | it says... nothing. its the apple thing |
05:08:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | What apple thing? |
05:08:36 | tritoch | ahhh select+menu worked |
05:08:41 | tritoch | i just couldnt hard restart it |
05:08:48 | tritoch | thank you |
05:08:51 | tritoch | now to try this baby out |
05:08:51 | sharpe | you're welcome |
05:08:55 | tritoch | good work guys |
05:09:00 | tritoch | just found out about this today |
05:09:05 | tritoch | but i love stuff like this |
05:09:15 | tritoch | got the same thing running on my omnifi |
05:09:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | Today, for the first time ever, I bumped into a random person who knew what Rockbox is. |
05:09:34 | sharpe | oh my gosh!! |
05:09:55 | sharpe | how did rockbox come up...? |
05:09:56 | BloodySorcerer | wtf?! |
05:10:00 | BloodySorcerer | they'res such a thing? |
05:10:13 | BloodySorcerer | normally i either get stares, condescending smiles, or dumbasses drooling over doom |
05:10:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was at Best Buy, buying my mother an iPod, and the girl working the DAP department recognized the logo on my shirt. |
05:10:27 | BloodySorcerer | people at best buy know what they're talking about?!?! |
05:10:31 | sharpe | you've a rockbox logo on your shirt? |
05:10:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have one of the DevCon shirts. |
05:10:42 | BloodySorcerer | there are rockbox shirts?!?!?!?! |
05:10:42 | sharpe | ah. |
05:10:47 | sharpe | BloodySorcerer: nope. |
05:10:50 | BloodySorcerer | oh, ok. |
05:10:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really. |
05:10:54 | BloodySorcerer | lol |
05:10:59 | sharpe | if someone were to design them... |
05:11:12 | BloodySorcerer | time to get out the printer and those transfer sheet things and the ironer.... |
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05:13:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Unfortunately, she hadn't tried it. Just read about it at CNET. |
05:13:38 | sharpe | well, better than nothing. |
05:14:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup. |
05:14:17 | BloodySorcerer | better than militaristically touting ipods like my friends. |
05:14:58 | BloodySorcerer | 'specially the one that refers to it as an "mpeg level 4 audio player" |
05:15:09 | BloodySorcerer | and gets offended when i call it an mp3 player.... |
05:15:12 | goffa_ | um... isn't girl who works at best buy who knows what rockbox is one of the seven signs out of revelations? |
05:15:23 | BloodySorcerer | probably. |
05:15:32 | BloodySorcerer | that or the perfect woman. |
05:15:39 | sharpe | goffa_: no, that would be the one that uses rockbox and works at an apple store. read it again. |
05:15:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: She was cute too. |
05:15:57 | goffa_ | ???? |
05:16:04 | sharpe | did you suggest she check rockbox out? |
05:16:23 | BloodySorcerer | did you suggest that she call you up? |
05:17:02 | sharpe | goffa_: twould mean like, "read it again." meaning, read the book that states that again. since there is no such book, it should be funny... :) |
05:17:39 | goffa_ | oh.. i was referring to the bible .. just before the 4 horsemen and the rivers boiling blood |
05:17:54 | sharpe | ah then. |
05:17:57 | BloodySorcerer | iriver is boiling blood? |
05:18:11 | BloodySorcerer | that doesn't sound like a very sensical manufacturing process |
05:18:11 | goffa_ | he he he |
05:18:17 | sharpe | hmm, deja vu. |
05:18:49 | BloodySorcerer | all over again? |
05:19:22 | sharpe | somewhat |
05:21:46 | goffa_ | grr.. got sidetracked |
05:21:56 | sharpe | ah. |
05:21:57 | BloodySorcerer | welcome to IRC! |
05:22:09 | goffa_ | now its too late to come up with a quip about iriver using blood in their manufacturing process |
05:22:27 | BloodySorcerer | no it isnt |
05:22:28 | BloodySorcerer | do it do it |
05:22:43 | BloodySorcerer | we'll pretend it isnt wildly out of context |
05:22:44 | sharpe | we just copy and paste it in the logs, it'll be okay. |
05:22:50 | goffa_ | :) |
05:22:53 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
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05:23:49 | JPMaximilian | i'm having a problem compiling ipod_fw.c |
05:23:51 | BloodySorcerer | ooooh |
05:23:54 | BloodySorcerer | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt todays log.... |
05:24:09 | BloodySorcerer | sorry goffa_, might be too late for wildly out of context comment transplanting |
05:24:35 | goffa_ | he he he.. won't be the first time i've been a victim of that |
05:24:46 | sharpe | keep stalling... :) |
05:25:04 | BloodySorcerer | c'mon goffa |
05:25:05 | JPMaximilian | could anyone here help me with a problem compiling ipod_fw.c |
05:25:17 | sharpe | JPMaximilian: possibly... |
05:25:18 | goffa_ | ha ha ha... you actually think i have a smart ass comment? |
05:25:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | JPMaximilian: Go ahead and explain the problem |
05:25:25 | BloodySorcerer | no |
05:25:33 | goffa_ | good |
05:25:34 | midkay | JPMaximilian: you need to ask the question instead of asking us if we can help. we don't know if we can assist you unless we know what the problem. |
05:25:40 | midkay | +is |
05:25:49 | BloodySorcerer | -. -is + is. |
05:26:07 | JPMaximilian | midkay: quite so, ipod_fw.c doesn't compile, i could post the whole output, but i bet you don't want me to do that |
05:26:10 | midkay | that's assuming +is means add is to the end of the line; it doesn't. |
05:26:33 | midkay | JPMaximilian: so we're just supposed to guess what the problem is based on "it doesn't work"? any errors or what? |
05:26:34 | BloodySorcerer | well then shit. |
05:26:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | JPMaximilian: How 'bout just telling us the line with the error message. "It doesn't compile" can have thousands of causes. |
05:27:11 | * | BloodySorcerer blinks rapidly |
05:27:17 | BloodySorcerer | feature freeze lifted?! |
05:27:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah... |
05:27:23 | sharpe | yeah... |
05:27:31 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd must be quite miffed about that, by the way.. :) |
05:27:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I understand why they did it. |
05:27:51 | midkay | as do i.. |
05:27:54 | goffa_ | yeah |
05:27:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | And really, since they have a plan for putting out 3.0 anyway, I'm okay with it. |
05:28:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've kinda fluctuated both ways about the issue in the past anyway. |
05:28:08 | goffa_ | i think its better that they lifted it |
05:28:18 | goffa_ | i think it was hindering development on the x5 |
05:28:30 | midkay | what do you mean? a plan for putting it out? it must come out sooner or later, or do you mean like a schedule? |
05:28:57 | goffa_ | and it can't be worse than vista or duke nukem :) |
05:29:00 | JPMaximilian | the first errors are that "No such file or directory" for stdio.h stdlib.h string.h errno.h unistd.h |
05:29:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I mean a "We saved the source as it was before we released the freeze, so if we need to we can back the playback fixes into it without any potentially stability harming new features being included" |
05:29:18 | midkay | ah. that's right. |
05:29:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | JPMaximilian: Sounds like your C compiler isn't well installed / set up. |
05:29:31 | BloodySorcerer | goffa_, or starcraft:ghost |
05:29:41 | goffa_ | indeed |
05:29:41 | JPMaximilian | i'm running ubuntu 6.06 and i did a synaptic install of gcc, is there something else i should install? |
05:29:45 | BloodySorcerer | and yes, it made the x5 feel hindered, which made me, an X5L owner, sad :) |
05:29:56 | goffa_ | me too BloodySorcerer |
05:30:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Honestly, the X5 changes were available as patches. |
05:30:11 | BloodySorcerer | but im glad we're allowed to make progress now :) |
05:30:23 | BloodySorcerer | yeah, but some of them desynced with the CVS rendering them inapplicable |
05:30:24 | BloodySorcerer | etc |
05:30:28 | goffa_ | but then i never thought of making all of the chips functional as "adding features" |
05:30:40 | BloodySorcerer | hahaha |
05:30:42 | BloodySorcerer | USBOTG :) |
05:30:47 | midkay | all of the chips functional? hm? |
05:31:13 | BloodySorcerer | then again, USBOTG did just get that nice sleep spell commited to CVS |
05:31:17 | BloodySorcerer | which does help battery life a lot |
05:31:19 | midkay | it's not 'functional', really, it's just a basic way of turning it off, and that was *one* chip. |
05:31:24 | midkay | if you're talking about that, yeah.. |
05:31:38 | BloodySorcerer | (i wasnt calling it functional, i was calling it not) |
05:31:40 | * | Paul_The_Nerd would personally rather see another target actually *finish* rather than "progress" being made on a new port. |
05:31:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially since the playback fixes and voice fixed *would've* benefited both X5 and iPod users as well. Essentially everyone but Archoses. |
05:32:04 | midkay | it's nice seeing progress on all fronts.. |
05:32:06 | goffa_ | yeah... well i know that rockbox will never be "finished" |
05:32:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, but it can reach a release state. |
05:32:27 | goffa_ | so i like to see more players .. gives more options |
05:32:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I consider that *a* finish. Like a baton-pass in a marathon. |
05:32:37 | goffa_ | i look forward to new cvs more than new versions |
05:32:48 | BloodySorcerer | goffa_, same |
05:32:52 | JPMaximilian | Paul_The_Nerd: i'm running ubuntu 6.06 and i did a synaptic install of gcc, is there something else i should install |
05:33:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | JPMaximilian: You should check that GCC works for other purposes. |
05:33:38 | goffa_ | JPMaximilian: um.. did you get build-essential? |
05:33:52 | JPMaximilian | goffa_: nope |
05:33:57 | goffa_ | try that |
05:34:04 | goffa_ | i think that's the package name |
05:34:07 | goffa_ | also |
05:34:46 | goffa_ | did you run rockboxdev.sh in the /tools |
05:34:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | goffa_: He's just making ipod_fw right now. |
05:35:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Doesn't need cross-compilers. |
05:35:06 | goffa_ | oh.. ok |
05:35:16 | goffa_ | well build essential would be a start i think |
05:35:24 | JPMaximilian | i'm getting that now |
05:36:35 | JPMaximilian | goffa_: awesome, it compiled |
05:36:40 | goffa_ | sweet |
05:37:14 | goffa_ | i actually helped someone in this channel :) (usually i'm not smart enough.. lol) |
05:37:24 | BloodySorcerer | go goffa_! |
05:37:26 | * | BloodySorcerer gives goffa_ a cookie |
05:37:41 | BloodySorcerer | so who wants to help n00b with CVS? |
05:38:04 | JPMaximilian | ok, so i can't execute ipod_fw, do i need to add that to my scripts folder? |
05:38:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Have you made it executable? |
05:38:21 | BloodySorcerer | namely, updating my source files without having to unpatch them and then repatch after updating (which, by the way, i don't know how to do [update that is]) |
05:38:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | BloodySorcerer: cvs update should update them without unpatching... |
05:38:43 | JPMaximilian | Paul_The_Nerd: you mean permissions? |
05:39:03 | goffa_ | yeah.. like chmod u+x ipod_fw |
05:39:05 | goffa_ | or whatever |
05:39:11 | BloodySorcerer | ok paul |
05:39:16 | * | BloodySorcerer tries |
05:39:23 | JPMaximilian | its at 1600755 right now |
05:39:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | BloodySorcerer: I prefer cvs update -dP actually |
05:41:28 | BloodySorcerer | cvs screams that no CVSROOT specified! please use the '-d' option |
05:41:59 | sharpe | try doing it in your base rockbox directory... like the one with rockbox in it's name. :) |
05:42:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, check out the sources, then cd into the folder (when you do an ls you should see 'apps' 'tools' and various others) |
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05:42:45 | BloodySorcerer | heh |
05:42:52 | BloodySorcerer | that would make sense wouldnt it :) |
05:43:11 | BloodySorcerer | i'll assume its doing something now, as it isnt screaming |
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05:43:25 | BloodySorcerer | yup, there it goes |
05:43:36 | JPMaximilian | ipod_fw works when I added it to sbin, so i guess that was the problem |
05:43:56 | BloodySorcerer | yay |
05:43:58 | BloodySorcerer | i like CVS... |
05:52:37 | JPMaximilian | do i run ipod_fw 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin for a 3g ipod or ipod_fw -g 3g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-3g.bin |
05:53:24 | sharpe | you mean, do you use the -g switch? |
05:53:38 | JPMaximilian | correct |
05:53:42 | sharpe | yes. |
05:53:51 | JPMaximilian | sharpe: ok, thanks |
05:53:57 | sharpe | welcome... |
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05:58:09 | BigMac | is their anyway i can get the source from my current build |
05:58:15 | BigMac | so i can apply some patches |
05:58:32 | goffa_ | BigMac: yep :) |
05:58:43 | goffa_ | http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
05:58:44 | BigMac | how? |
05:58:49 | BigMac | thank you |
05:59:00 | sharpe | goffa_: on a roll today are we? |
05:59:11 | goffa_ | guess so :) |
05:59:19 | BigMac | no,its a custom build |
05:59:28 | BloodySorcerer | you're what, 2 for 2 now goffa_? |
05:59:34 | BloodySorcerer | oh, maybe not. |
05:59:41 | goffa_ | 1.5 for 2 :) |
05:59:45 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
05:59:52 | sharpe | lets see if he can still help with this one... |
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06:01:03 | goffa_ | you don't have the last build do you? or did you nuke the dir? |
06:01:56 | BigMac | i'm not sure. i have jbuild. |
06:07:26 | goffa_ | there's probably a way.. but i'm not sure |
06:10:00 | BloodySorcerer | 1.5/2 |
06:10:02 | BloodySorcerer | :) |
06:10:17 | goffa_ | yep |
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06:20:01 | JPMaximilian | is the interface of rockbox the same as the origional ipod firmware? |
06:20:07 | goffa_ | no |
06:20:09 | chendo | no |
06:20:16 | chendo | but there are WPSes that look like the ipod |
06:21:42 | JPMaximilian | but if my interface looks exactly the same as before i probably didn't get rockbox installed? |
06:21:57 | goffa_ | right JPMaximilian |
06:22:08 | goffa_ | you should see a rockbox bootscreen |
06:22:15 | goffa_ | at some point |
06:23:02 | JPMaximilian | blast, how do i go about "Unzip the daily build into the root directory of the iPod.", i just extracted the files into my ipod, and that didn't seem to work |
06:23:30 | goffa_ | are they in a .rockbox folder? |
06:23:49 | goffa_ | and there should be a rockbox.something too |
06:23:58 | goffa_ | like on my player rockbox.iaudio |
06:25:07 | JPMaximilian | there is a .rockbox folder as well as a rockbox.ipod file |
06:25:37 | goffa_ | those should go into the root of the player |
06:25:44 | JPMaximilian | however, my ipod shows up as /dev/sdb instaed of /dev/sda |
06:25:52 | goffa_ | yeah.. that shouldn't matter |
06:26:08 | JPMaximilian | how do i add that file/folder to root? |
06:26:12 | earHertz | feature freeze is over and ipod 3gs now ork? |
06:26:31 | JPMaximilian | i just added it to the folder that comes up when i click on the ipod logo |
06:26:40 | JPMaximilian | it had like calenders, ipod_control, notes, etc in it |
06:26:42 | goffa_ | hmm... that's probably root |
06:27:02 | goffa_ | i don't know much about the ipod.. |
06:27:31 | goffa_ | i'm guessing you need to get the modified firmware on there somehow |
06:27:47 | JPMaximilian | maybe i should have copied it to sda1, as opposed to sda2 |
06:27:49 | JPMaximilian | grr |
06:27:50 | BloodySorcerer | how do you list processes in linux? |
06:28:10 | goffa_ | ps |
06:28:12 | goffa_ | or ps aux |
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06:34:08 | BloodySorcerer | aaaaah |
06:34:10 | BloodySorcerer | vi makes me sad. |
06:35:48 | goffa_ | why's that? |
06:35:57 | BloodySorcerer | it doesnt let me exit. |
06:36:05 | BloodySorcerer | i hit esc, i hit q, i hit enter, it does nothing |
06:36:08 | goffa_ | :wq! |
06:36:14 | goffa_ | if you want to write |
06:36:17 | goffa_ | or q! |
06:36:20 | goffa_ | to exit |
06:36:30 | BloodySorcerer | ooh! |
06:36:33 | BloodySorcerer | the : made it work. |
06:36:35 | BloodySorcerer | 2.5/3 :) |
06:36:59 | goffa_ | i usually use nano |
06:37:29 | BloodySorcerer | i would |
06:37:34 | BloodySorcerer | but smoothwall doesnt have nano |
06:37:42 | goffa_ | ah |
06:39:17 | Jungti1234 | hi |
06:39:53 | goffa_ | hi |
06:39:57 | BloodySorcerer | hi |
06:45:26 | JdGordon | hi |
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06:47:53 | BloodySorcerer | is it bad if i write my AIM away messages in C++? |
06:48:19 | earHertz | as long as it compiles\ |
06:48:33 | BloodySorcerer | k good |
06:48:35 | BloodySorcerer | i'm safe then |
06:48:41 | BloodySorcerer | (it compiles) |
06:49:42 | BloodySorcerer | g'night all |
06:50:33 | Jungti1234 | hehe... |
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07:02:29 | JPMaximilian | i got rockbox working on a 3g ipod, flac's sound great |
07:02:40 | goffa_ | cool |
07:02:46 | goffa_ | and congrats |
07:02:47 | JPMaximilian | no skippage whatsoever |
07:02:59 | JPMaximilian | goffa_: thanks, and thanks for your help |
07:03:04 | goffa_ | no prob |
07:03:31 | JPMaximilian | the only thing is, it doesn't seems to like colons or questions marks in my song names |
07:03:41 | JPMaximilian | likely due to not mounting it right |
07:03:53 | goffa_ | probably |
07:04:00 | goffa_ | you don't have any wierd characters do you? |
07:04:03 | JPMaximilian | the directions says to use -o utf8 |
07:04:30 | JPMaximilian | what do you mean by weird? the only characters it doesn't like are ? and : |
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07:05:01 | goffa_ | well.. like i've got u-ziq... and it doesnt like the mu |
07:05:52 | JPMaximilian | hmm |
07:05:57 | JPMaximilian | are you running linux? |
07:06:07 | goffa_ | yeah |
07:06:19 | JPMaximilian | but you aren't using an ipod, right? |
07:06:25 | goffa_ | right |
07:06:31 | goffa_ | i've got an x5 and an h140 |
07:06:43 | JPMaximilian | do they just automoutn when you plug them in? |
07:06:45 | goffa_ | actually.. xubuntu 6.06 on this box |
07:06:54 | goffa_ | no.. i manually mount them |
07:07:10 | JPMaximilian | and you've tried -o utf8 |
07:07:18 | goffa_ | no |
07:07:24 | JPMaximilian | give that a whirl |
07:07:37 | goffa_ | will do |
07:08:15 | JPMaximilian | in the install directions i was using there was this line: Make sure to mount with -o utf8 if you want non-ascii filenames to work. |
07:08:17 | goffa_ | oh shit... the u-ziq is on the h140 (had to send that in for rma today) |
07:08:27 | goffa_ | ah |
07:08:36 | goffa_ | well the files play |
07:08:40 | goffa_ | they just have funky chars |
07:08:44 | goffa_ | i never did care about that |
07:09:01 | goffa_ | but next time i'll try the utf8 |
07:09:10 | JPMaximilian | yeah, its worth a shot |
07:09:23 | JPMaximilian | i'm running ubuntu, do you know how i'd manually mount my ipod, cause it just automounts |
07:09:49 | goffa_ | can you umount then mount? |
07:10:31 | JPMaximilian | lets see... |
07:13:23 | JPMaximilian | what would the command for mount be mount /dev/sda2 ? |
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07:13:40 | goffa_ | mount /dev/sda2 mountpoint |
07:13:48 | goffa_ | well -o utf8 if you like |
07:13:52 | JPMaximilian | yea |
07:13:56 | JdGordon | does any1 here use the new playlist catalog feature? |
07:14:03 | JPMaximilian | what do you usually use for the mountpoint? |
07:14:05 | goffa_ | not i |
07:14:15 | goffa_ | i use /mnt/iaudio |
07:14:22 | goffa_ | i got my iaudio first |
07:14:29 | goffa_ | you could make a dir /mnt/ipod |
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07:15:25 | JPMaximilian | it says i need to specify the filesystem type |
07:15:35 | goffa_ | i put this in my fstab to make it easier |
07:15:37 | goffa_ | /dev/sdc1 /mnt/iaudio auto noauto,users,rw 0 0 |
07:15:45 | goffa_ | is hfs a type? |
07:15:49 | goffa_ | otherwise -t vfat |
07:16:24 | JPMaximilian | what is fstab? i'm a linux noob if you hadn't already noticed :) |
07:16:45 | goffa_ | file system table i assume |
07:16:48 | goffa_ | its in /etc |
07:17:01 | goffa_ | specifies points to automount if they exist on boot |
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07:18:14 | goffa_ | well.. noauto tells it to not automount |
07:18:30 | goffa_ | but to mount i can just do mount /mnt/iaudio |
07:18:37 | goffa_ | and it knows what i'm talking about |
07:19:05 | JPMaximilian | i see, how would you add the filesystem and the -o utf8? |
07:19:33 | goffa_ | in the fstab? |
07:19:37 | JPMaximilian | yea |
07:19:47 | goffa_ | um.. replace auto with the filesystem |
07:20:00 | JPMaximilian | so fat32 would be vfat? |
07:20:04 | goffa_ | and i think you can put noauto,utf8,users,rw |
07:20:07 | goffa_ | yeah |
07:20:37 | goffa_ | no auto tells it not to mount, users can mount it, read write |
07:22:40 | goffa_ | did the umount then mount work? |
07:23:38 | JPMaximilian | nope, it says that mountpoint does not exist |
07:23:43 | goffa_ | oh |
07:23:52 | goffa_ | go to mount and mkdir the mountpoint |
07:24:05 | goffa_ | er /mnt |
07:28:21 | JPMaximilian | ok, so what is the command for unmount, because i've just been doing eject from the gui, so maybe that is the problem |
07:28:47 | goffa_ | its umount mountpoint |
07:31:29 | JPMaximilian | ok, i try umount, but it says that device is not mounted |
07:31:37 | JPMaximilian | even though it shows up on the desktop |
07:32:22 | goffa_ | hmm... i think debian (ubuntu whatever) might put stuff under /mount |
07:32:46 | goffa_ | nope |
07:32:47 | goffa_ | media |
07:33:00 | goffa_ | what shows up under media? |
07:33:13 | JPMaximilian | ok, yeah, ipod is under media |
07:33:16 | goffa_ | ok |
07:33:22 | goffa_ | umount that |
07:34:21 | JPMaximilian | ok, done |
07:34:37 | goffa_ | ok... now you should be able to mount with whatever options you want |
07:34:49 | JPMaximilian | so would i tried sudo mount vfat /dev/sdb -o utf8 /media/ipod and that doesn't work |
07:35:12 | goffa_ | oh.. sudo mount -t vfat |
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07:37:55 | JPMaximilian | wrong fs type, bad option, blah blah |
07:38:09 | goffa_ | hmm... well its not vfat |
07:38:23 | JPMaximilian | what would fat32 be? |
07:38:31 | goffa_ | fat32 is vfat |
07:38:51 | JPMaximilian | oh, i see what you're saying |
07:38:55 | goffa_ | maybe the -o has to be at the end or before the mountpoint |
07:39:14 | JPMaximilian | what does the -o mean? |
07:39:15 | goffa_ | like -t vfat -o utf8 /dev/sdb /media/ipod |
07:39:18 | goffa_ | option |
07:40:34 | JPMaximilian | well it doesn't work even without that option |
07:40:52 | goffa_ | yeah.. my guess is that fat32 is the wrong type |
07:41:06 | goffa_ | try it without the -t vfat |
07:41:14 | goffa_ | does it say you need to specify a type? |
07:41:27 | goffa_ | oh wait |
07:41:32 | goffa_ | try sdb1 |
07:41:35 | goffa_ | instead of sdb |
07:41:43 | goffa_ | unless you have been |
07:41:56 | JPMaximilian | no, i've just been doing sdb |
07:42:01 | goffa_ | ok |
07:42:08 | goffa_ | the 1 or 2 is the partition on that device |
07:42:35 | JPMaximilian | ok, it should be 2 i think |
07:42:39 | goffa_ | ok |
07:42:48 | JPMaximilian | ha! it worked |
07:42:51 | JPMaximilian | cool stuff |
07:42:53 | goffa_ | cool |
07:43:24 | amiconn | goffa_: fat32 != vfat |
07:43:38 | goffa_ | well from a mounting perspective |
07:43:53 | amiconn | yeah, maybe |
07:44:31 | goffa_ | sorry about not clarifying JPMaximilian and amiconn |
07:44:47 | * | amiconn wonders why linux can't figure out the filesystem itself |
07:44:58 | goffa_ | amiconn: he didn't specify partition |
07:45:27 | goffa_ | it should mount without the -t now if you unmount it |
07:45:38 | JPMaximilian | so if i do /dev/sdb2 i don't have to specify the fs? |
07:45:46 | goffa_ | right |
07:45:57 | JPMaximilian | ok |
07:46:41 | JdGordon | hmm.. cvs server is a bit slow atm... |
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07:59:57 | Presence | I AM A GUITAR HERO |
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08:00:00 | Presence | AAAUGH |
08:00:12 | Presence | ziggy stardust on hard 90% accuracy. |
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08:00:55 | sharpe | my nickname to some friends is ziggy. |
08:01:35 | JdGordon | the nickname of the basterd who screwed australias major telco and internet was ziggy untill he was fired :D |
08:01:54 | JPMaximilian | goffa_: thanks a lot for your help, i owe you a beer or something |
08:02:06 | goffa_ | he he he.. don't worry about it |
08:04:48 | JdGordon | hey hardeep, you did the playlist catalog didnt you? |
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08:07:09 | Pons | hello everybody |
08:07:18 | hardeep | JdGordon: yes |
08:07:22 | JPMaximilian | Pons: ciao |
08:07:31 | Pons | JPMaximilian, hola |
08:07:38 | JdGordon | nice job, does it allow subdirs under /Playlists? |
08:07:52 | Pons | is there any known way of playing ipod songs sorted using rockbox? |
08:07:57 | hardeep | JdGordon: no, it's only for a specific folder |
08:08:05 | JdGordon | hmm, ok |
08:08:08 | Pons | i mean ipod songs added for original firmware |
08:08:11 | JdGordon | Pons: enable tagcahe |
08:08:18 | hardeep | JdGordon: of course, you can specify your own folder by creating playlist_catalog.cfg |
08:08:38 | Pons | tagcache? |
08:09:12 | JdGordon | Pons: ye, it will then let you use rockbox like the ipod does, if you set it to the id3 browser.. |
08:09:47 | Pons | how do i enable it? |
08:09:49 | * | JdGordon points Pons to http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml to get the manul |
08:10:01 | JdGordon | somehwere in the menus :D dunno of the top of my head |
08:16:03 | * | Pons 's ipod tag-cacheing |
08:17:22 | hardeep | JdGordon: dirwalker stuff looks good for the most part. However, I don't think it should be a separate file. Maybe part of tree.c? |
08:18:02 | JdGordon | i put it seperate because i belive a messy folder is better than a rediculously long file |
08:18:39 | hardeep | JdGordon: this is very closely related to tree though |
08:18:50 | JPMaximilian | does how do i go back the currently playing song, i have a 3g ipod and there is no manual for it |
08:18:57 | JdGordon | about as closly as playlist_catalog.c is to playlist.c :D |
08:19:07 | JdGordon | i can move it if u want |
08:19:22 | hardeep | JdGordon: not really, catalog doesn't use any playlist functionality |
08:19:44 | JdGordon | ... you win this round! |
08:19:50 | Pons | is there any way of loading apple's default firm instead of rockbox at start without pressing menu? |
08:20:02 | * | JdGordon should remove his lolly colletion from next to the computer |
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08:20:32 | JdGordon | Pons: i tihnk the iPl bootloader v2 has a menu or something, dunno |
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08:22:35 | Pons | iPl.. ipodlinux' |
08:22:40 | Pons | ? |
08:23:18 | sharpe | yes |
08:23:31 | amiconn | chendo: Hmm, how do you run wine on amd64? |
08:23:47 | amiconn | There's no debian-amd64 package for wine |
08:24:33 | JdGordon | amiconn: ./configure && make && make install ... |
08:24:50 | Pons | why did i initialize tag-cache |
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08:25:01 | sharpe | Pons: because you can. |
08:25:03 | Pons | it did all the cache.. took a while |
08:25:03 | JdGordon | Pons: so u can use the id3 browser |
08:25:21 | Pons | and now id3 browser complains that tag cache is not ready |
08:25:29 | JdGordon | reboot |
08:25:31 | chendo | amiconn, well, i compiled mine |
08:25:33 | chendo | i run gentoo |
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08:28:09 | Pons | i definitively like rockbox :D |
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08:31:22 | sharpe | Pons: that's the general response |
08:31:26 | Ribs | aye |
08:31:35 | Ribs | I think I'll give rockbox another chance |
08:32:01 | * | Ribs was so impressed when he first used it, he donated |
08:32:08 | Ribs | first time I have done that for ANY project |
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08:34:30 | JPMaximilian | does anyknow know how do i go back the currently playing song, i have a 3g ipod and there is no manual for it |
08:34:45 | earHertz | JPMaximilian: try play |
08:35:10 | JPMaximilian | earHertz: ty |
08:35:15 | earHertz | :) |
08:35:46 | JPMaximilian | earHertz: i don't feel a little silly now or anything |
08:36:07 | earHertz | I wouldn';t. It took me a while to get that, and I could have loked in teh source code |
08:36:32 | JPMaximilian | yeah, i'm not on that level, but i thought i had pushed every button combination |
08:36:48 | earHertz | you may have. |
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08:37:28 | ravon | Hey. Will the SID codec be added to the main tree now? |
08:38:35 | Bg3r | ravon it is already there... |
08:39:19 | Bg3r | http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-07-18%2018:33:22.html |
08:39:48 | ravon | Sweet!! |
08:40:10 | LinusN | JdGordon: awake? |
08:40:18 | JdGordon | hey |
08:40:26 | LinusN | looking at your dirwalker patch |
08:41:11 | LinusN | looks good |
08:41:33 | JdGordon | :) |
08:41:52 | LinusN | however, i think there might be a more descriptive name than "dirwalker" :-) |
08:42:25 | earHertz | it recursively walks directories? |
08:42:33 | JdGordon | ye, thats possibly an english slang term or something, its a nice short name for it tho |
08:42:48 | LinusN | i don't mind, really |
08:43:05 | JdGordon | hardeep didnt like it in a seperate file and thought it should go in tree.c, but i disagree... |
08:43:13 | JdGordon | earHertz: bingo |
08:43:14 | earHertz | oh please, no! |
08:43:28 | LinusN | why do you disagree? |
08:43:29 | JdGordon | ? |
08:43:32 | earHertz | tree.c is too damned confusing already |
08:43:41 | JdGordon | well thats partly my reasoning |
08:43:57 | earHertz | please, please please, unless it needs access to tre internal, keep it separate |
08:44:04 | earHertz | internals |
08:44:21 | JdGordon | <hardeep> JdGordon: dirwalker stuff looks good for the most part. However, I don't think it should be a separate file. Maybe part of tree.c? |
08:44:21 | JdGordon | [16:18:32] <JdGordon> i put it seperate because i belive a messy folder is better than a rediculously long fil |
08:44:23 | JdGordon | e |
08:45:05 | earHertz | I strongly agree with JdGordon |
08:46:13 | LinusN | i can see it both ways, but since it doesn't use any private data from tree.c, i think it's ok to have it in a separate file |
08:46:25 | hardeep | two files for a single function seems like overkill to me, just my opinion of course :) |
08:46:50 | LinusN | however, do we have any more related functions we could put in the same file? |
08:47:27 | LinusN | i agree with hardeep there |
08:47:57 | LinusN | i mean, could the file be a more generic "dirfunctions.c" or something? |
08:48:09 | LinusN | just breainstorming here |
08:48:12 | LinusN | brain |
08:48:24 | hardeep | or fileutils.c to be even more generic |
08:48:30 | LinusN | yup |
08:48:49 | earHertz | If they're logically relasted, sure,. But don't lump them just to cut down on files. |
08:48:50 | LinusN | do we have any more functions that could fall in this category? |
08:49:07 | LinusN | earHertz: we always have misc.c :-) |
08:49:12 | JdGordon | not really, not that i can think of off the top of my head |
08:49:24 | earHertz | besides, we're going to be seeing a lot more files soon, if teh 3,0 idea of breaking out platforms and removing ifdefs is going to happen |
08:49:28 | hardeep | some of the stuff in tree.c can probably be moved there |
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08:50:28 | earHertz | JdGordon: dirwalker uses a struct, so that differnt clients can use it at the same time/ |
08:50:31 | LinusN | create_playlist |
08:50:54 | hardeep | yeah, also strip_extension |
08:50:58 | JdGordon | tree.c is already 1400lines and about a dozen functions, you really want to make it bigger? |
08:51:00 | JdGordon | earHertz: ? |
08:51:16 | LinusN | JdGordon: we are talking about moving files from tree.c to fileutils.c |
08:51:23 | LinusN | s/files/functions/ |
08:51:31 | JdGordon | ah |
08:51:34 | earHertz | nwevermind |
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08:52:04 | JdGordon | earHertz: no, it can only be used once at a time, but i dont tinhk its possible for it to be called simultaneously anyway |
08:52:35 | LinusN | the current dirwalker can only be called from the main thread |
08:52:56 | LinusN | since it reads buttons and writes to the lcd |
08:53:08 | earHertz | tagcache and plugins will bnnever want to use it? |
08:53:14 | earHertz | oh, nevermind |
08:53:16 | JdGordon | ok, so there you go |
08:53:30 | JdGordon | the patch adds it to the plugin struct and stats.rock is updated to use it |
08:53:39 | earHertz | (eventually we should seperate gui stuff from functionality) |
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08:58:31 | * | JdGordon bbs |
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09:01:39 | scorche | YES!!!! |
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09:01:57 | scorche | WINRAR OF THE FIRST ANNUAL BUBBLETHON! |
09:02:04 | scorche | (caps makes it cooler) |
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09:11:47 | rojisan | fyi: rockbox wiki has been appropriated by free ringtones spammers: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/SergioMazeratti?rev=1;filename=free_ringtones.html |
09:17:50 | sharpe | free ringtones?! i need myself some of those! |
09:18:12 | * | JdGordon back |
09:18:23 | sharpe | JdGordon: free ringtones!! |
09:19:05 | JdGordon | meh, i got bananaphone as a ringtone, not gonna get better than that :D |
09:19:11 | midkay | hahaha. |
09:19:15 | midkay | bananaphooooone. |
09:19:29 | midkay | it's a momma and poppa and a dogaphone, it's a grandaphone it's a grandmaphone, it's a .. wait.. |
09:19:35 | midkay | that's .. not.. right.. never mind. |
09:21:47 | JdGordon | ye, no all wrong |
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09:22:05 | sharpe | ring ring ring ring, banannaphone! |
09:22:11 | sharpe | three more |
09:22:15 | sharpe | rings in there sometime. |
09:22:17 | JdGordon | oh, i thought of a great idea for the fireworks plugin... has the launchers show on the remote lcd :D |
09:22:30 | earHertz | JdGordon: are you a scot? |
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09:22:44 | JdGordon | nope |
09:22:50 | JdGordon | blue blood aussie |
09:23:07 | earHertz | what does "ye" means when you say it? |
09:23:41 | JdGordon | ye == yeah == lazy yes :p |
09:24:05 | earHertz | I thought it might mean "you" |
09:24:20 | JdGordon | haha, no, |
09:24:28 | * | earHertz shrugs |
09:24:39 | JdGordon | i should stop being lazy in international forums |
09:24:47 | sharpe | yes. |
09:24:48 | earHertz | eh |
09:25:53 | petur | oh no, microsoft acquired sysinternals :( |
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09:29:43 | JdGordon | anyone know where there is a free online multiplayer ping pong game? im sure ive played it before but cant rmeember where |
09:29:53 | scorche | google |
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09:30:12 | scorche | very easily found =) |
09:30:17 | scorche | (i searched for it the other day |
09:30:19 | scorche | ) |
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09:31:07 | JdGordon | :( im looking, but can only find 2 players on the same comp, i want to play with a friend over the net |
09:31:41 | earHertz | JdGordon: | . |
09:31:49 | earHertz | | . |
09:31:55 | earHertz | | . |
09:32:08 | petur | . | |
09:32:14 | sharpe | | . . |
09:32:15 | earHertz | |. |
09:32:24 | earHertz | | . |
09:32:38 | earHertz | | .. |
09:32:44 | earHertz | \whoops |
09:32:47 | Zagor | woo, extra ball! |
09:32:54 | petur | | o (for beginners) |
09:33:12 | midkay | | o |
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09:33:46 | earHertz | Hi-res pong: (* |
09:34:10 | Zagor | guys, we have a new idea for stopping the wiki spam. but it involves a bit more work for the irc regulars: |
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09:34:20 | * | scorche perks up |
09:34:29 | * | earHertz brews |
09:34:57 | scorche | JdGordon: http://pong.flash-gear.com/ |
09:35:06 | Zagor | the idea is that we close it up a bit, by introducing access control. |
09:35:12 | sharpe | ooh. |
09:35:17 | Zagor | when you first register, you are not allowed to change any pages |
09:35:18 | scorche | uh oh |
09:35:20 | sharpe | i'm interested. :D |
09:35:20 | scorche | same side |
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09:35:47 | scorche | =( |
09:35:55 | Zagor | instead you are sent to the irc channel to introduce yourself, and someone with access will add you to the group |
09:36:08 | midkay | ah, that's an interesting idea. |
09:36:12 | scorche | indeed |
09:36:13 | Zagor | everyone with write access can add new people to the group |
09:36:13 | sharpe | indeed |
09:36:38 | scorche | JdGordon: ? |
09:36:44 | JdGordon | sounds ok, but doesnt hat mean some idiot could remove everyone from the group? |
09:36:49 | sharpe | well, what if, one spammer got accepted as being legitimate? |
09:36:51 | earHertz | minor quiblle: what about people with html access but no urc access? |
09:37:00 | sharpe | and added many other users? |
09:37:01 | Zagor | JdGordon: it does, but everything is revision controlled so it's not much of a problem |
09:37:05 | midkay | sharpe: well, what if, after spamming, he was, removed and banned? |
09:37:15 | petur | earHertz: webclient |
09:37:16 | Zagor | earHertz: they can use the cgiirc |
09:37:32 | scorche | Zagor: and would everyone currently registered be able to add? |
09:37:36 | Zagor | scorche: yes |
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09:38:52 | Zagor | this adds a treshold for spammers, but not too big of a bottleneck for real contributors |
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09:39:01 | JdGordon | Zagor: sounds good, but the instructions need to include omething along the lines of "spamming the irc for access will see you banned from irc and the wiki" |
09:39:04 | earHertz | sounds reasonabel |
09:39:20 | Zagor | JdGordon: yeah. we'll just op logbot :-) |
09:39:27 | Galois | is this web client supposed to work from any browser? |
09:39:39 | Zagor | Galois: most anyway |
09:39:47 | Zagor | i haven't tried lynx :-) |
09:39:53 | Galois | cause I just tried it (firefox redhat) and it's frozen |
09:39:55 | earHertz | Galois: I've had problems with it in the past, but then, I run my browser in paarnoid mode |
09:40:26 | Zagor | Galois: that's odd. lots of people run it in firefox. |
09:40:32 | * | Zagor tests again |
09:40:43 | scorche | i can run it fine from firefox |
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09:41:01 | Zagor_testing | yada yada |
09:41:10 | Galois | maybe my proxy is at fault? |
09:41:15 | earHertz | huh, it's ajax now, not java applet/ |
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09:41:27 | Galois | java is most certainly not cross platform |
09:41:30 | Galois | ajax is better |
09:41:31 | webguest31 | works fine here |
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09:42:09 | webguest14 | can xxx |
09:42:13 | webguest31 | firefox 1.5.0.4 linux and java 1.5 |
09:42:20 | webguest14 | can I write on your wiki? |
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09:42:42 | webguest14 | I have free ringtiones |
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09:43:01 | Galois | no luck, oh well |
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09:43:34 | JdGordon | now we play the guess who webguest14 is game :p |
09:43:35 | webguest14 | how much does rockbox cost? |
09:43:51 | * | JdGordon guesses scorche or sharpe |
09:44:05 | sharpe | hmm? |
09:44:16 | sharpe | that would probably not be me. |
09:44:22 | webguest14 | I bought a copy on ebay for $29.99 |
09:44:22 | scorche | nor me |
09:44:31 | JdGordon | hehe |
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09:44:52 | midkay_cgiirc | stupid sharpe.. |
09:44:54 | Galois | I guess it could work if there are enough people with access |
09:44:56 | sharpe | maybe it's midkay? |
09:44:57 | webguest14 | That includees 5 free hours of tech support. where do I get that? |
09:45:06 | sharpe | midkay_cgiirc: what'd i do? |
09:45:08 | midkay_cgiirc | nowhere! |
09:45:16 | Galois | you guys, the ip address is in the /whois, if you want to cheat |
09:45:18 | petur | webguest14: do you also have ringtones that work with rockbox? |
09:45:29 | midkay_cgiirc | sharpe: must you ask? |
09:45:35 | webguest14 | and with cialis |
09:45:37 | Galois | if not enough people have access, then new users might get annoyed and leave |
09:45:45 | JdGordon | Galois: no its not, it shows the labb.contractor.se ip |
09:45:49 | Galois | it shows the ip |
09:45:52 | Galois | look harder. |
09:45:53 | sharpe | did i really do anything? |
09:46:04 | midkay_cgiirc | sharpe: no, but your mother did |
09:46:08 | sharpe | JdGordon: why automatically guess me or scorche? |
09:46:09 | earHertz | we don't real;ly want total newbs writing on teh wiki, do we? |
09:46:11 | Zagor | Galois: the idea is that everyone with write access to twiki also has permission to add new users |
09:46:19 | scorche | JdGordon: indeed |
09:46:25 | JdGordon | sharpe: coz s is a funny shape :D |
09:46:28 | sharpe | Zagor: what about, also having another person verify it? |
09:46:34 | sharpe | just incase? |
09:46:51 | midkay | sharpe: what about, not having commas after "what about"? it's grammatically incorrect. |
09:47:00 | Zagor | nah. I believe in using an open system until we feel the need to limit it. |
09:47:09 | JdGordon | Zagor: can the adding be doable by a script? |
09:47:11 | sharpe | midkay: bite me? |
09:47:22 | midkay | sharpe: also, "in case" is two words. |
09:47:23 | Galois | you better keep track of who adds which new users, or else one rogue spammer is going to add like 100 new users |
09:47:23 | Zagor | JdGordon: yes, but I won't write one for you :-) |
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09:47:50 | Zagor | Galois: everything is revision controlled. a spammer can add 100 new users, but we can remove them just as easily. |
09:47:51 | earHertz | let's not make this too complicated. as xzagot=r sauys, wait until we need complication |
09:47:55 | sharpe | it should be bit, not bits. |
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09:48:07 | earHertz | good I can't type |
09:48:11 | midkay_cgiirc | stupid e.... |
09:48:12 | earHertz | GOD |
09:48:15 | JdGordon | Zagor: coz im thinking get the script going and then we can use logbot to automatically do it if requested |
09:48:35 | Zagor | JdGordon: no, I want real people doing it |
09:48:37 | earHertz | logbiot: add Zagor to wiki |
09:49:15 | Galois | why not just use a captcha? |
09:49:18 | earHertz | logbot: emergency override. Lock out all users except me |
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09:49:24 | JdGordon | Zagor: im saying we get one of the regulars to msg logbot who can run the script instead of us having to manually do it |
09:49:52 | Zagor | Galois: because the spammers aren't bots. they are humans. |
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09:50:14 | Galois | then the human spammers (or even subhumans) can just as easily use IRC |
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09:51:11 | Zagor | Galois: yes they can. but my bet is they won't. or if they do, they won't be able to explain to the channel why they want access. that's why I want humans to give new permissions. |
09:51:20 | sharpe | now why would you do that? |
09:51:49 | midkay_cgiirc | sharpe: the mass of lint...it beckoned |
09:52:03 | sharpe | how would we make sure they visited the irc, and not just have someone add them? |
09:52:16 | Zagor | Galois: basically, I want to keep it as simple as possible. making it spammer proof will also create a big barrier for legitimate contributors, and we don't want that |
09:52:21 | Galois | okay, so the idea is that nobody in their right mind would sign up as a new user unless they already had a specific wiki contribution in mind |
09:52:46 | Galois | but spammers will invent generic contributions, like "I want to add a WPS" or something lame |
09:53:05 | Zagor | Galois: or at least some idea of what they want to do. we already explicitly ask on the registration page that they don't register unless they plan to contribute. |
09:53:16 | Zagor | Galois: if that happens, we'll deal with it. |
09:53:32 | Zagor | I don't want to tackle hypothetical problems |
09:53:43 | sharpe | hypothetical is fun! |
09:53:54 | Galois | wikipedia has demonstrated that wiki vandalism is not a hypothetical problem, nor are the vandals limited in their ingenuity or determination |
09:54:31 | Zagor | Galois: agreed. but vandalism isn't our problem. spamming is. I don't want to lock down the wiki, just avoid most of the spamming. |
09:55:11 | earHertz | huh, I got a spam that loks like a joe-job, from http://www.coopercarry.com −− but it's an interesting site |
09:55:11 | Zagor | this is a new idea, let's try it and see what happens. if enough spammers go around it, we'll need to modify it. but only then. |
09:55:29 | sharpe | we could always do the two-user verification. :-D |
09:55:31 | Galois | requiring all contributions (not contributors) to be approved by a trusted user would IMO stop spamming without inconveniencing legitimate contributions too much |
09:56:08 | Zagor | Galois: yes, that is the logical next step if the first isn't enough |
09:56:36 | Zagor | but I'd like avoid that particular bottleneck if at all possible |
09:56:42 | earHertz | Galois: wikipedia also puts way too much time effort and acrimony into "hunting trolls" −− to the point where they run off legit contributors |
09:57:01 | Galois | can contributor approval be handled purely through the web site? |
09:57:08 | Zagor | Galois: yes |
09:57:17 | Zagor | or, web + irc |
09:57:20 | Galois | I mean without dubious technology like cgi:irc |
09:57:26 | earHertz | the typical wiki spammer isn';t going to take the tome to learn what a wps is −− he's going to go for lower-hanging fruit |
09:57:35 | earHertz | he's not going to play kgb |
09:57:42 | sharpe | could also have certain people listed in the forums that people can PM for approval...? |
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09:58:06 | Galois | for example, a new user signs up and one of the forms asks for an explanation of why he wants to sign up. Then when he submits the form the "approvers" are notified and one of them can go to the web site and click a box approving the new user |
09:58:23 | Galois | after reading the explanation of course |
09:59:22 | Zagor | Galois: our first thought was to do it through email, but I feel irc is better. partly because it directs contributors into the channel where all the talk is going on, and partly because you can have a dialog with the applicant and get at least some crude image of the person. |
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10:00:08 | Galois | I just think cross-medium requirements like irc are more of a barrier than (say) requiring contributions to be approved |
10:00:26 | Zagor | there are of course many ways to do it. but I'm not sure a web form is better than irc. I rather think the noise ratio will be much higher with a web form. |
10:00:29 | Galois | frankly, IRC is not a good place to debate how much of a barrier it is to sign up on IRC |
10:00:41 | Zagor | hehe |
10:00:55 | webguest23 | Hi, my names is amanda. I'm real sexy and fun, and I lobve nerdy guys! |
10:01:00 | Galois | I know from experience in several other contexts that a lot of computer users have huge problems getting on IRC, even with web clients and such |
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10:01:15 | * | midkay_cgiirc snuggles up to webguest23 |
10:01:21 | webguest23 | Can I put hot pictures of me on your wiki? |
10:01:21 | sharpe | Galois: i suggested the forums... :) |
10:01:33 | sharpe | as an alternative |
10:01:39 | JdGordon | no the forums are bad enough as it is |
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10:01:50 | sharpe | hrm, can guests pm? |
10:01:53 | sharpe | no... |
10:01:59 | sharpe | never mind, that idea's ot. |
10:02:02 | sharpe | out |
10:02:03 | midkay_cgiirc | webguest23: please do...under the CamWhores page please |
10:02:08 | webguest23 | Oh midkay, you're so hot. wnat to see my webcam? what's your credit vard number? |
10:02:29 | Galois | perhaps a good middle ground would be to allow a contribution if either the contributor or the contribution has been approved |
10:02:30 | Zagor | everything is iterative and can be changed if it doesn't feel good. nothing is carved in stone. |
10:02:51 | JdGordon | is it possible to require contrib approval on all membersunless they have been around for longer than X or had more than Y contribs already? |
10:02:53 | Zagor | Galois: then we need to code up a whole new system for auditing contributions |
10:03:04 | wehn | How about new wiki users require wiki changes to be approved by another trusted user until they reach trusted user status? |
10:03:18 | Zagor | JdGordon: we can do anything, but I don't want to. I want to keep it simple. |
10:03:32 | earHertz | wehn: sounds good, but I expect it would be hella frustrating |
10:03:39 | JdGordon | thats simpler than requirng them to come here first |
10:03:46 | Galois | we already sort of have an auditing system now, it's called "roll back the changes if we reject them" |
10:03:49 | wehn | JdGordon's thinking like me too. |
10:03:56 | Galois | the only drawback is that the changes are visible until rolled back |
10:04:11 | Zagor | Galois: right, but it's too much work since in reality we only ever roll back spam |
10:04:55 | midkay_cgiirc | mmmmmm...delicious Coca-Cola |
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10:05:05 | Zagor | JdGordon: we don't have a system for auditing contributions. you can either change topics, or you can't. |
10:05:09 | JdGordon | heck, if you really only want to get rid of spammers, then only their first contrib needs to be approved |
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10:05:25 | webguest23 | I'm drinking Pepsi Blue, and I'm not wearing panties |
10:05:26 | midkay_cgiirc | and again... |
10:05:41 | midkay_cgiirc | ew. |
10:05:45 | JdGordon | Zagor: there is no mod for twiki for it? |
10:05:58 | Zagor | midkay_cgiirc: stop the noise ok? |
10:06:03 | Zagor | JdGordon: not that I know of, no |
10:06:14 | midkay_cgiirc | ok =( |
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10:07:37 | Galois | well then I guess IRC approval sucks but I can't think of anything better |
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10:11:57 | JdGordon | ye, i think full access after the first contrib is apporved would be the best method, but if thats not doable then irc would be good too |
10:12:24 | Zagor | JdGordon: I agree, that would be the best method |
10:16:24 | JdGordon | Zagor: completly changing the topic... can we get a new link under the "commits since 2.5" seen as that page is fairly long now? |
10:17:37 | Zagor | "commits since unfreeze"? |
10:18:04 | JdGordon | ye, something like that |
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10:38:41 | Jungti1234 | What is 'Export modifications'? |
10:39:36 | JdGordon | in reference to what? |
10:40:19 | Jungti1234 | desc: in tag cache settings |
10:41:50 | JdGordon | dunno, whatever it is, it fails here :p |
10:44:02 | JdGordon | is the limit value in the dircache info screen the amount of RAM being reserved for dircache? |
10:49:57 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i don't think so, for me the value is bigger than 6MB. |
10:51:15 | JdGordon | ye, thats why im asking, its about 6mb for me also |
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10:56:25 | midkay | self-explanatory? the maximum cache size that will be allowed in RAM, i'm pretty sure. |
10:57:04 | midkay | if the displayed cache size is larger than the limit which is probably RAM-size-specific it won't be cached. |
10:58:20 | JdGordon | ye, but is that much ram being resrverd? because if that is then its pretty bad |
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11:03:24 | midkay | i'd *imagine* that the only amount of RAM used is how large your cache is. |
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11:03:40 | midkay | e.g. limit = won't go past this; cache size = how large it is and thus how much is being used. |
11:08:34 | * | JdGordon goes to investigate.. |
11:08:45 | JdGordon | anyone know where te dircache code is? i mean which files? |
11:09:21 | midkay | maybe like dircache.c or cache.c? i'm pretty sure i've seen something like that around before, but i'm not sure.. |
11:09:39 | JdGordon | #define DIRCACHE_LIMIT (1024*1024*6) <- 6mb exactly :p |
11:09:44 | JdGordon | i cant find a dircache.c |
11:10:04 | midkay | hmm. |
11:10:12 | JdGordon | or cache.c |
11:10:49 | JdGordon | grr... firmware/common |
11:11:07 | safetydan | yeah it's pretty low level code |
11:12:14 | safetydan | cripes, there's only been a few updates since the freeze was lifted |
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11:13:43 | JdGordon | iv been trying to get aobut 6 patches done, but noone will do em :p |
11:13:55 | safetydan | Which ones? |
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11:14:31 | Jungti1234 | don't know anyone? |
11:14:34 | JdGordon | remote patches, random directories, |
11:16:00 | JdGordon | hmm... it musnt be reserving 6mb of ram, because according to the rockbox info screen it says my audio buffer is 28mb and the h300 has 32mb ram... |
11:16:42 | safetydan | the rockbox image will also take some of that RAM I would think |
11:16:55 | safetydan | though that's only 300k |
11:17:11 | JdGordon | yeah |
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11:21:32 | amiconn | JdGordon: The 6MB is the maximum dircache will ever use |
11:21:56 | amiconn | It reserves whatever it needs to hold the current dircache contents + 64KB |
11:23:08 | amiconn | safetydan: The rockbox image needs more than its file size. The .bss section is excluded from the file |
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11:26:24 | safetydan | ah yes |
11:30:02 | safetydan | So... is there a policy for comitting patches where we can't get the submitter's full name for the credits? |
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11:30:47 | Galois | I thought such patches were rejected |
11:32:03 | Zagor | safetydan: yeah, we don't. no name = no rockbox glory ;-) |
11:32:07 | safetydan | well it's not the submitter's fault that I can't get their name, the patch they submitted is from before flyspray |
11:32:32 | Zagor | safetydan: which patch? |
11:32:40 | safetydan | I added a comment to the task asking for their name five months ago |
11:32:41 | safetydan | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2937 |
11:33:02 | safetydan | the patch needs a little work, but the idea is sound |
11:33:08 | Zagor | tried emailing the sf.net mail address? |
11:33:42 | safetydan | Would that be their username@sf.net? |
11:33:53 | Zagor | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/user/898 |
11:34:07 | safetydan | that's just an empty page for me |
11:34:13 | Zagor | oh, sorry. admin page :-) |
11:34:18 | Zagor | psyche78@users.sourceforge.net |
11:34:19 | safetydan | ah, that explains that then :) |
11:36:46 | safetydan | right, email sent |
11:36:51 | * | safetydan goes back to working on something else |
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11:40:25 | Jungti1234 | :'( |
11:41:43 | LinusN | ok, I have now implemented a new access control in the Wiki |
11:42:06 | Zagor | "the" new access control :-) |
11:42:12 | Zagor | (I already described it here) |
11:42:19 | LinusN | oh |
11:42:28 | linuxstb | Zagor steals the glory... |
11:42:31 | Zagor | haha |
11:42:37 | Zagor | that's what I do best |
11:42:37 | LinusN | anyway, to be able to edit pages in the wiki, you must be a member of the TWikiUsersGroup |
11:42:53 | LinusN | any current wiki user can edit that froup |
11:42:55 | LinusN | group |
11:44:32 | * | scorche spies a remark that LinusN forgot to remove |
11:44:50 | scorche | sadly..i cant edit it myself =( |
11:45:39 | scorche | LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration third bullet under "Submitting the form will automatically:" needs to be removed |
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11:46:11 | safetydan | Should the favourites plugin be removed now that the playlist catalog patch is in? |
11:46:24 | LinusN | scorche: that is still done |
11:46:43 | LinusN | it's added to TWikiUsers, but not TWikiUsersGroup |
11:46:49 | scorche | ugh...i am horrible at night |
11:47:05 | scorche | LinusN: forgive me! =P |
11:47:09 | * | scorche grovels |
11:47:13 | LinusN | :-) |
11:47:50 | * | scorche wonders when they will remove his ability to edit completely |
11:47:51 | Jungti1234 | oh |
11:47:52 | Jungti1234 | good |
11:48:44 | Jungti1234 | ah? |
11:48:44 | Jungti1234 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UserListByLocation |
11:49:36 | PaulJam | btw, could someone with wiki access add a description how to install the fonts to the installation instructions for the different targets? |
11:49:50 | midkay | LinusN or Zagor: on the registration page it says your username should be FirstLast and not FirstL or some other kind of alias and that such accounts will be deleted without notice. i see more than a couple on the TWikiUsers page.. is this the right policy? otherwise the page should be changed.. |
11:50:18 | scorche | heh...i was about to say that too >_> |
11:50:23 | LinusN | midkay: that is our policy |
11:50:33 | LinusN | however, we haven't enforced it properly |
11:50:39 | Zagor | midkay: yeah, I spotted a few of those too. they should be removed from the group imho. |
11:50:42 | midkay | guess you have some cleaning out to do.. :) |
11:50:58 | scorche | ooo!...soemthing i can do! =) |
11:51:09 | scorche | i sould like i am 5...i swear... |
11:51:18 | scorche | and i cant type either...*sound |
11:57:09 | * | scorche realizes that the account should be deleted instead of just editing that page |
11:57:28 | LinusN | scorche: yes |
11:57:49 | LinusN | scorche: give me a list of users and i can delete them |
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12:00:46 | JdGordon | so what do we need to do if someone comes in asking for wiki write access? |
12:01:19 | LinusN | edit the TWikiUsersGroup topic |
12:02:49 | JdGordon | righto :) |
12:03:38 | JdGordon | is logbot striclty a logbot? or can it do stuff like simlpe messages and stuff? (i.e give us that url when its neded so we dont have to go hnting :p ) |
12:04:44 | Zagor | yeah it can do various stuff. |
12:04:57 | Zagor | i'll explain after lunch |
12:06:08 | JdGordon | ok |
12:07:35 | Jungti1234 | hm |
12:08:02 | JdGordon | and, i assume we dont add anyone who doesnt follow the FirstLast format? |
12:08:56 | scorche | and refer their account to an admin for deletion in case they already registered i assume... |
12:09:29 | juxtap | is it possible to overcharge an ipod running rockbox? |
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12:17:11 | linuxstb | juxtap: No, the charging is hardware-controlled. |
12:17:28 | amiconn | Zagor: Well, logbot still cannot do some things it's supposed to be able to... |
12:17:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: Supporting ipod g1 and g2 will be more work than g3 |
12:18:14 | amiconn | (1) No PCF50605, instead several other chips |
12:18:23 | amiconn | (2) No USB either, only firewire |
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12:20:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: is g1 and g2 support really needed? there cant be that many still working g1,2 ipods around anymore :D |
12:23:28 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'm not 100% sure, but maybe they only support HFS as well... |
12:23:38 | linuxstb | IIRC, the first ipods were Mac-only. |
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12:23:49 | amiconn | That should be less of a problem |
12:24:18 | amiconn | If they use the same loader scheme with a hidden partition, we are able to inhject our bootloader |
12:24:43 | amiconn | The only thing is that retailos won't be able to read the data partition, but I wouldn't care |
12:24:57 | linuxstb | But maybe the flash bootloader checks for the presence of an HFS partition. The disk will probably also need an Apple Partition Map instead of MBR (although that's straightforward to support). |
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12:25:38 | theprodukkt | hi |
12:25:42 | linuxstb | But I've only seen one request for g1/g2 support, and that was from someone who later found out his g2 ipod was dead... |
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12:30:15 | theprodukkt | is there already last.fm support for rockbox? |
12:30:29 | JdGordon | there is, in a patch tho |
12:30:42 | theprodukkt | where can i find it? |
12:31:02 | JdGordon | http://rockbox.org/tracker/ |
12:31:08 | * | JdGordon goned |
12:32:28 | PaulJam | what does "goned" mean? |
12:32:40 | theprodukkt | ^^ go went goned ;) |
12:32:52 | theprodukkt | is audioscrobbler = last.fm? |
12:32:59 | PaulJam | yes |
12:33:37 | theprodukkt | audioscrobbler is the system and last.fm the frontend? right? |
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12:46:26 | theprodukkt | in the scrobbler.patch file theres the following function |
12:46:27 | theprodukkt | +int scrobbler_init(void)+{+#if 0+ if(!global_settings.scrobber)+ return -1;+#endif++ scrobbler_fd = open(SCROBBLER_FILE, O_RDONLY);+ if(scrobbler_fd < 0)+ {+ scrobbler_fd = open(SCROBBLER_FILE, O_RDWR | O_CREAT);+ if(scrobbler_fd >= 0)+ {+ fdprintf(scrobbler_fd, "AUDIOSCROBBLER/%s\n", SCROBBLER_VERSION);+ close(scrobbler_fd);+ }+ else+ {+ logf("SCROBBLER: cannnot create log file");+ return -1;+ }+ }+ close(scrobbler_fd);++ audio_set_t |
12:46:33 | theprodukkt | oO format? |
12:47:02 | theprodukkt | hm i dont understand the part |
12:47:16 | theprodukkt | +#if 0 |
12:47:20 | theprodukkt | + if(!global_settings.scrobber) |
12:47:25 | theprodukkt | + return -1; |
12:47:31 | theprodukkt | +#endif |
12:47:50 | theprodukkt | the #if are just instructions for the compiler right? |
12:47:56 | safetydan | for the preprocessor |
12:48:02 | dan_a | theprodukkt: it will never be compiled |
12:48:13 | theprodukkt | so what is it for? |
12:48:41 | safetydan | it does nothing, it may be left there as a reminder of something to do later |
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12:49:14 | theprodukkt | but the # commands are for the compiler, or for the preprocessor`? |
12:49:28 | safetydan | for the preprocessor |
12:49:55 | theprodukkt | of the target? |
12:50:10 | Mikachu | theprodukkt: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/cpreprocessor.html |
12:50:33 | theprodukkt | thx |
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12:52:51 | obo | theprodukkt: that's a really old version of the patch - you need to scroll down to the bottom of the flyspray entry to get the latest version |
12:53:12 | theprodukkt | good to know! :) |
12:53:40 | theprodukkt | There are a whole set of options that can be used to determine whether the preprocessor will remove lines of code before handing the file to the compiler. <−− BEFORE? so its the preprocessor of the compiling machine..? |
12:53:55 | safetydan | yes |
12:54:02 | Mikachu | hence the word _pre_processor |
12:57:10 | theprodukkt | yes i thought the preprocessor of the target where the binary will run on |
12:57:46 | theprodukkt | so i had a problem with dan_a: theprodukkt: it will never be compiled and safetydan: for the preprocessor |
12:57:49 | safetydan | there is no preprocessor on the target |
12:58:00 | Siku | hey hey... I just installed Rockbox on my iPod Nano... The install was a success but when I loaded some music to my iPod to test it, I unplugged my iPod and right after that it went dark. No I can't get it started and my OS won't even recognice it as removable disc. Any hints? |
12:58:02 | theprodukkt | not? didnt know |
12:58:54 | linuxstb | Siku: Try holding MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset your ipod. If that doesn't work (and you haven't got the hold switch turned on), then try charging it for a while. |
12:58:58 | safetydan | the output of the compilation process is just binary code for the target to run |
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13:00:34 | Siku | linuxstb, thank you |
13:00:35 | theprodukkt | yes, but if u think the target has a preprocessor, and further u know the compiler doesnt compile the # commands but its for the preprocessor of the target, theres a logical failure |
13:00:49 | linuxstb | theprodukkt: The basic process is: C Program [Pre-processor]-> Pre-processed C Program [Compiler]-> Assembly Code [Assembler]-> binary object code. |
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13:04:17 | theprodukkt | but at least its the compiler (programm) who tells the preprocessor to handle the #commands? |
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13:05:38 | theprodukkt | i mean before starting the compiler the preprocessor doesnt do anything to the code (just a .c file) and after the compiling the #commands are already interpreted not? |
13:07:04 | Siku | Nice work on the iPod port guys. And thank you linuxstb again for your help :) |
13:10:06 | theprodukkt | http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-07-19%2000:39:39.html <- the cvs binarys are compiled on 10 different machines? |
13:10:11 | theprodukkt | automatically? |
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13:18:09 | obo | theprodukkt: yes - custom distributed build magic |
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13:20:39 | l_r | hello |
13:21:16 | l_r | i have two annoying problems: rockbox (2006 07 18) does not play oggs |
13:22:19 | l_r | the second problem is that i need to know how to empty / delete the current playlist. it seems it's only possible to add songs |
13:23:14 | LinusN | l_r: "does not play oggs"? |
13:23:30 | theprodukkt | @your 2nd problem: try pressing the stop key |
13:23:36 | LinusN | you can begin with telling us which player you are using |
13:23:42 | theprodukkt | this should stop the playback and delete the current playlist |
13:23:47 | theprodukkt | (works for me) |
13:25:05 | l_r | LinusN, i am using rockridge.. |
13:25:14 | l_r | the player that comes with it |
13:25:27 | l_r | you mean the theme? |
13:25:39 | l_r | ops sorry, i have an ipod nano |
13:25:59 | l_r | theprodukkt, belevie me, i tried everything, it does not work |
13:26:24 | LinusN | what happens when you try to play an ogg file? |
13:26:53 | theprodukkt | are u using the filetree or the tagcache? |
13:27:27 | l_r | the bar does not proceed . one time i also saw (ERR) just before the name of the songs in ogg variable bitrare format |
13:27:34 | l_r | theprodukkt, filetree |
13:28:12 | linuxstb | l_r: Maybe your Ogg files are broken in some way - e.g. do they have id3v2 tags? |
13:28:32 | l_r | of course, the songs have been written correctly on the ipod nano, since i can play them after attaching the disk from a pc |
13:28:52 | l_r | linuxstb, they have no tags |
13:29:05 | PaulJam | i think the ERR in front of the playlist entry means, that the file cannot be found |
13:29:09 | theprodukkt | why do you want to clean the playlist? |
13:29:58 | linuxstb | l_r: Do other types of music play OK for you in Rockbox? |
13:29:59 | _FireFly_ | normaly when you select one file from the filetree the playlist gets overwritten with the selected file |
13:30:19 | Kohlrabi | l_r: do you have ogginfo? |
13:30:23 | l_r | becouse it only keep adding the songs. i am sorry, but the whole concept of adding/removing and playing istantly is not clear to me. also because when trying to play these oggs, it seems everything stop to work , even mp3 playback |
13:30:49 | l_r | Kohlrabi, i have it on the pc, yes |
13:30:59 | Kohlrabi | have you tried running it over your oggs? |
13:31:06 | theprodukkt | spend some time on rockbox and youll understand the playlist concept |
13:31:09 | _FireFly_ | l_r: what does ogginfo say about the og-file |
13:31:10 | l_r | linuxstb, other types , yes, from jpeg to mp3 |
13:31:12 | _FireFly_ | ogg-file |
13:32:32 | _FireFly_ | if ogginfo reports any problems then rockbox could have problems to play the file |
13:32:34 | l_r | _FireFly_, a moment |
13:33:50 | l_r | hmm this is the only weird info |
13:33:54 | l_r | Warning: Hole in data found at approximate offset 4500 bytes. Corrupted ogg. |
13:33:59 | Kohlrabi | well |
13:34:01 | l_r | it applies to every oggs |
13:34:03 | Kohlrabi | so |
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13:34:07 | Kohlrabi | Every ogg is broken :( |
13:34:26 | Kohlrabi | I doubt ogginfo is erroneous (sp.?) |
13:34:27 | l_r | weird, since i can play them from the pc |
13:34:29 | Kohlrabi | well |
13:34:39 | Kohlrabi | I have oggs myself which play fine in f2k |
13:34:46 | theprodukkt | hm those xxx bytes offset remembers me the same problem with mine mp3 files! |
13:34:50 | Kohlrabi | but are broken regarding to ogginfo |
13:34:54 | LinusN | maybe rockbox isn't as fault tolerant as your pc application |
13:35:03 | l_r | probably |
13:35:22 | Kohlrabi | How do you encode your files? |
13:36:52 | l_r | Kohlrabi, i found them in ogg directly |
13:36:58 | Kohlrabi | oh |
13:37:02 | Kohlrabi | "found" them |
13:37:07 | Kohlrabi | no furher questions ;) |
13:37:08 | Kohlrabi | +t |
13:37:29 | l_r | a friend of mine gave them to me, to be precise |
13:37:44 | Bg3r | does this matter? |
13:38:01 | l_r | proably heh |
13:38:03 | LinusN | l_r: it would be nice ti have one of those files for analysis |
13:38:11 | l_r | i would have not failed in encoding |
13:38:25 | Kohlrabi | "Sorry for the long rant. The moral of the story is this: When encoding ogg-vorbis using Grip, uncheck all the boxes in Config->ID3" |
13:38:29 | l_r | LinusN, yes, where do you want me to send one |
13:38:42 | Kohlrabi | seems like Grip(Lunix)+id3tags corrupt the oggs |
13:38:47 | l_r | i'd like to fix them |
13:38:51 | l_r | they are precious |
13:39:07 | l_r | it's vivaldi (the whole estro armonico) |
13:39:14 | Kohlrabi | um |
13:39:15 | Kohlrabi | Well |
13:39:23 | Kohlrabi | Have you tried removing the id3tags |
13:39:37 | Kohlrabi | I'm pretty confident id3tags are the evildoers |
13:39:41 | Kohlrabi | I googled a bit |
13:39:58 | l_r | ok, i'll google for info about removing the tags |
13:39:59 | LinusN | l_r: i /msg:d you |
13:39:59 | Kohlrabi | Which OS are you running? |
13:40:04 | l_r | linux |
13:40:08 | Kohlrabi | ah mkay |
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13:41:07 | _FireFly_ | l_r have you id3 installed ? |
13:41:25 | l_r | _FireFly_, yes |
13:41:47 | l_r | LinusN, it's sending. check it out in few secs |
13:42:01 | LinusN | oki |
13:42:03 | _FireFly_ | hmm wait have you easytag also installed ? |
13:42:17 | l_r | let me see |
13:42:32 | l_r | not yet, i'll install it immediatly |
13:42:44 | * | linuxstb suggests "xxd file.ogg | less" to look inside it for id3 tags.. |
13:42:53 | _FireFly_ | you could test with it to rewrite the tags, afaik easytag can read id3-tags from ogg-files and rewrite it in proper ogg tags |
13:43:04 | l_r | cool |
13:43:07 | l_r | let me try |
13:44:48 | l_r | i am installing easytag |
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13:46:04 | l_r | anyway, to play a song from the file tree _istantly_ what do i have to do? whatevery configuration i try in the main menu, it keeps adding/queing the song into the playlist instead of playing it immediatly |
13:46:07 | _FireFly_ | l_r: test it with an copy of one of the files first |
13:46:12 | l_r | yes |
13:46:30 | _FireFly_ | l_r: simply select it with the select-button to play on file |
13:46:35 | l_r | hmm |
13:47:08 | _FireFly_ | but i don't know which of the button is the select button on ipod |
13:47:09 | l_r | okay, i'll try it after having solved the ogg prob |
13:47:10 | linuxstb | l_r: Are you pressing and releasing the select button, or are you keeping it pressed? |
13:47:20 | PaulJam | l_r: do you have "party mode" enabled? |
13:47:26 | l_r | linuxstb, i tried both |
13:47:29 | linuxstb | (select = centre button on ipods) |
13:47:40 | l_r | PaulJam, i tried both (party mode on & off) |
13:47:54 | l_r | yes, it's the button in the middle |
13:47:54 | linuxstb | A short press and release on SELECT with party mode off should do what you want. |
13:48:00 | l_r | ok |
13:48:02 | l_r | i'll try |
13:48:34 | theprodukkt | party has to be off |
13:48:34 | linuxstb | A long press on SELECT will bring up the context menu, giving you options to insert that file/folder in the playlist in various different ways. |
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13:51:37 | l_r | LinusN, the file has been sent |
13:55:19 | l_r | ok |
13:55:26 | l_r | i rewrote the tags in every ogg |
13:55:31 | l_r | this easytag is really handy |
13:55:45 | l_r | now, i'll copy the file in the ipod and try |
13:56:06 | l_r | the waring message has dsappeared |
13:56:15 | Kohlrabi | good for you :D |
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14:00:52 | l_r | yeah!! |
14:00:55 | l_r | it works |
14:01:02 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
14:01:04 | l_r | thanks! |
14:01:19 | l_r | immediate playback works as well |
14:01:33 | _FireFly_ | now you should say you friend that he shouldn't add id3-tags to ogg-files ;) |
14:01:41 | _FireFly_ | s/you/your |
14:01:45 | l_r | ineed |
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14:04:42 | MrStaticVoid | when playback is paused and I select a song, playback remains paused. is there a way to set it to automatically unpause? |
14:04:45 | l_r | now, ok..the last problem.. now i am in the playlist menu. i can see the "current play list". suppose i want to empty this list or delete a song from the list, what do i have to do? |
14:05:18 | _FireFly_ | to delete one entry hold long the select button |
14:05:22 | _FireFly_ | to get the menu |
14:05:37 | l_r | right. to delete all the entries? |
14:05:37 | _FireFly_ | to delete, reorder and some more actions |
14:05:44 | l_r | ok |
14:05:50 | l_r | let me see |
14:06:15 | l_r | ok, this works for a single entry. what about all the entries? |
14:07:05 | PaulJam | if you stop playback, the playlist gets cleared. |
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14:08:06 | amiconn | The playlist gets cleared either at the end (if repeat is off), or if you start a new list |
14:08:22 | _FireFly_ | or stop playback |
14:08:53 | Mikachu | rather, if you stop playback, the list is cleared when you add something else |
14:09:04 | amiconn | _FireFly_: Just stopping doesn't clear the playlist |
14:09:11 | l_r | ok |
14:09:13 | amiconn | Otherwise it would be impossible to resume |
14:09:14 | l_r | thanks |
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14:09:24 | _FireFly_ | amiconn: ah right |
14:14:48 | Bg3r | notice to manual contributors: it seems that Figure 3.1 (The main menu)'s picture for h300 builds is damaged |
14:16:52 | l_r | emm..sorry for the stupid question. but i can't figure out how to "stop" the playback. when playing and pressing the Pause button, the playback stops, yes, but it's in pause mode and list is not cleared after adding something else.. |
14:17:38 | linuxstb | On the ipods, "stop" is a long press on PLAY/PAUSE. |
14:17:48 | linuxstb | Apple decided you wouldn't need a stop button.... |
14:17:58 | l_r | oh..interesting |
14:18:00 | l_r | :) |
14:18:38 | l_r | cool, now i know everything to enjoy my ipod |
14:18:57 | l_r | see you guys, keep up the good work, many thanks |
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14:31:39 | dan_a | How can I get MP3s to play without skipping on the 3g iPod? I'm guessing it won't be easy |
14:32:37 | dan_a | At the moment the only things I can see are to overclock it (in system.c) or to try to push some things onto the coprocessor |
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14:33:51 | linuxstb | The PP5002 is rated up to 90MHz I think, so technically you won't be overclocking it. But you will need to make sure your ipod doesn't overheat if you run it at a high speed for a long time. |
14:34:47 | linuxstb | The PP502x ipods (and irivers and iaudio) have CPU scaling implemented - where Rockbox switches between "idle", "normal" and "boosted" CPU speeds. This isn't implemented on the 3g yet, but could be useful. |
14:35:29 | dan_a | I've had a quick look at that code, and I'll try to get something similar on the 3g |
14:36:08 | linuxstb | Apart from using the co-processor, the other option is "simply" to optimise the MP3 decoder. You have two things to try - 1) Optimising the use of the 96KB of fast internal RAM (IRAM); 2) ASM optimisations. |
14:36:57 | linuxstb | The codecs desperately need optimising for the other ipods as well, so you're not on your own. |
14:37:39 | dan_a | I'll have a look at those. I think it will be beyond my abilities, but we'll see. |
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14:40:28 | dan_a | Are there any examples of where the use of the IRAM has been optimised, so I can see what sort of things to do? |
14:43:30 | linuxstb | It's already being used for the iriver (and 4g ipods), so maybe there's not much that can be improved in that area. All the codecs have 48KB of IRAM to use - and can put a mixture of code and data in there. |
14:44:02 | linuxstb | Have you tried Ogg vorbis yet? |
14:44:22 | linuxstb | On the later ipods, the vorbis decoder is faster than MP3. |
14:45:42 | linuxstb | BTW, have you tried ipodlinux on your 3g? If so, how was audio playback? (they use different codecs to Rockbox). |
14:45:49 | dan_a | I get about as many underruns with a 128kbps VBR OGG as I do with a 128kbps MP3 |
14:46:33 | dan_a | And no, I've not tried IPL yet |
14:55:00 | dan_a | This seems like a dumb question, but... where is the MP3 codec? I can't find it! |
14:55:04 | petur | if the 3g doesn't do boosting yet I can imagine playback is chopped |
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14:56:25 | JdGordon | a friend of mine has the gp2x and is complaining about no decent mp3 player for it, so seen as it can do sdl, is it just a matter of getting the sim to compile using the arm compiler and fix some key defines? |
14:56:40 | amiconn | petur: Huh? The g3 not doing boosting means it's _always_ running at maximum clock |
14:56:58 | JdGordon | could it be "ported" as easily as any other target, just it would always use the simulator settings |
14:56:58 | petur | ah, right |
14:57:58 | crwl | JdGordon, i've been thinking (a little) of buying the GP2X myself too, being able to run rockbox would definitely be cool |
14:58:36 | crwl | although i suppose GP2X is kind of too big for a portable player, but anyway |
14:59:21 | JdGordon | well, its more a game thing that might be good for rb, even tho its only got 1gb storage which is puny :p |
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15:00:06 | crwl | well, it uses SD cards... |
15:00:22 | crwl | they're pretty cheap nowadays :) |
15:00:52 | linuxstb | dan_a: All the codecs are in apps/codecs/ - apps/codecs/mpa.c is the MPEG audio (layers 1, 2 and 3) decoder, which in turn uses apps/codecs/libmad/ |
15:03:14 | dan_a | linuxstb: Ah, thanks! I was looking for mp3.c, and I'd got mpa mixed up with m4a. |
15:03:40 | linuxstb | m4a is aac.c :) |
15:03:45 | Mikachu | it's sort of annoying that there are commercial mp3 decoders that claim to run at full speed on 10mhz arm cpus |
15:03:49 | linuxstb | (and alac.c - they both use the .m4a extension) |
15:04:03 | linuxstb | Yes, but what kind of ARMs? |
15:04:47 | linuxstb | Someone pay preglow to spend 3 months optimising libmad... |
15:05:53 | Mikachu | heh, not sure, but i think one of them said arm7, that might not have been the one claiming to run at 10mhz though |
15:09:11 | linuxstb | dan_a: I've just committed your ASM fiq handler. |
15:09:56 | dan_a | linuxstb: Thanks - did you check it doesn't break on other ports first? |
15:11:14 | linuxstb | Yes, I tested on my Color before committing. But the code looked harmless anyway - all your changes were within #if CONFIG_CPU == PP5002. |
15:13:20 | dan_a | Thanks |
15:14:43 | obo | The CVS bulids page still needs a download link for the 3g at the bottom?? |
15:15:08 | dan_a | I need to get around to learning how to program at some point... |
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15:15:55 | linuxstb | obo: Yes. But Bagder doesn't seem to be around... |
15:20:10 | slimx | dan_a, sounds work on 3g ? |
15:20:44 | dan_a | slimx: They do. Wav and flac plays perfectly, but there's skipping on anything else |
15:21:22 | slimx | thx dan_a |
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15:21:45 | slimx | I was away for months |
15:22:06 | slimx | and i did not succeeded to play anything on my 3g |
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15:22:38 | slimx | some workaround might had been written against the audio driver |
15:22:41 | slimx | so .. |
15:22:45 | dan_a | It was basically working |
15:22:58 | slimx | really ? |
15:23:04 | slimx | thats odd |
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15:23:46 | slimx | good news |
15:23:53 | dan_a | Yes... linuxstb can explain the details, but there was one line in the code that shouldn't have been there |
15:24:00 | slimx | i'll try a new build tonight |
15:24:12 | senab | afternoon people |
15:24:31 | senab | can i ask some of u knowledgable people a question |
15:24:37 | slimx | i'll be happy to know which one |
15:24:46 | slimx | i've spent times on it |
15:25:05 | * | amiconn would expect shorten to play ok on g3 as well, maybe also alac |
15:25:06 | _FireFly_ | senab: simply ask |
15:25:35 | amiconn | Oh, and surely aiff won't skip |
15:25:39 | linuxstb | slimx: The patch that fixed audio is here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/crt0.S.diff?r1=1.73&r2=1.74 |
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15:26:21 | dan_a | amiconn: You're almost certainly right |
15:26:24 | senab | lol, basically i know it's got probably got nothing to do with u lot, but patch 5234 doesn't work for nano and was wondering what was needed to get it working for it |
15:26:33 | slimx | thx LinusN |
15:26:39 | slimx | thx linuxstb |
15:26:41 | slimx | :p |
15:27:06 | amiconn | dan_a: Did you try ac3 yet? |
15:27:23 | dan_a | No, just wav, flac, ogg and mp3 |
15:27:25 | senab | if u look (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5234) HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS has been defined in 'firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h' |
15:27:54 | senab | so i was thinking is it just a simple case of defining it in firmware/export/config-ipodnano.h |
15:28:11 | slimx | I knew there was something to do around this file :) |
15:28:12 | amiconn | dan_a: [15:20:45] <dan_a> slimx: They do. Wav and flac plays perfectly, but there's skipping on anything else <= I was referring to this |
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15:29:32 | linuxstb | SID would probably be OK as well... |
15:29:35 | dan_a | amiconn: Apologies, I was assuming that all the other codecs would be a lot heavier than wav and flac |
15:29:43 | amiconn | dan_a: Check here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
15:30:14 | amiconn | Maybe it's a good idea to add a column "realtime on ipod <= g3" |
15:31:18 | amiconn | Afaiu, the only codecs which are computationally heavier than mp3 are vorbis, musepack and aac |
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15:33:45 | dan_a | I'll try and get test files for all the codecs and see which ones can decode in realtime |
15:34:02 | JdGordon | :) only 1 more patch for multi screen support in most of the gui now to be commited... cough cough |
15:34:22 | Bg3r | JdGordon which one ? |
15:34:35 | JdGordon | for the color chooser |
15:34:39 | JdGordon | 1 min, ill linky |
15:35:25 | amiconn | dan_a: You can find some testfiles here: rasher.dk/rockbox/soundfiles/">http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/soundfiles/ |
15:35:42 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5584 |
15:35:51 | amiconn | No ac3 though |
15:36:59 | linuxstb | There's a few missing..... Who wants to make a SID version ? :) |
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15:38:03 | deltron | anyone have an issue where you are browsing folders and rockbox locks up? |
15:38:12 | deltron | it's always on the same folder for me |
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15:38:24 | deltron | but I can browse past it if I start playing music first |
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15:39:41 | JdGordon | deltron: does the folder has 1000+ files in it? |
15:40:05 | deltron | nope |
15:40:17 | deltron | the folder name is kinda long |
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15:41:06 | deltron | i'm using yesterday's daily build |
15:41:44 | deltron | "jello biafra & the melvins - never breathe what you can't see (2004)" |
15:41:48 | deltron | that's the folder name |
15:41:54 | deltron | \music\jello biafra & the melvins - never breathe what you can't see (2004) |
15:42:36 | JdGordon | does it freeze when u go into the folder? or when that folder starts scrolling in the browser? or when? |
15:43:13 | deltron | I'm scrolling in the music folder, it's when I try and scroll past that particular folder |
15:43:32 | petur | Jello Biafra... nice music choice |
15:43:36 | deltron | :D |
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15:44:31 | JdGordon | ye, i tihnk its a bug in the scrolling code, for some reason it doesnt like long lines, but it should be able to cope with them, so i dunno |
15:44:35 | JdGordon | rename the folder :p |
15:44:47 | deltron | doing now :) |
15:45:49 | _FireFly_ | linuxstb: here you can find some sid-tunes : http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e9426444/ |
15:46:29 | deltron | should I bother filing a bug report? |
15:46:52 | JdGordon | just make sure there isnt one already... |
15:47:04 | deltron | yeah, i'm searching now |
15:47:19 | Zagor | linuxstb: I've made quite a lot of sidtunes if you want some |
15:47:29 | JdGordon | its wierd it crashes on that, because the scroll code should be able to work with lines >250chars and that one is <100 |
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15:47:54 | linuxstb | _FireFly_: Thanks, but I've got the HVSC already... I was joking about someone composing the iriver song in SID. |
15:48:03 | _FireFly_ | ;) |
15:48:17 | linuxstb | A job for Zagor... |
15:48:27 | JdGordon | Bg3r: amiconn: Linu*: Zagor: anyone want to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5584 so we can close a task on fs? |
15:49:14 | Zagor | linuxstb: next up is a player for vic20 tracks. I've actually written one for it too... |
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15:49:32 | linuxstb | It's been a long time since we saw a Rockbox commit from you.... |
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15:50:44 | Zagor | yes, I've been away quite a while. hopefully things will change a bit now that I've moved to a new house, so my kid isn't sleeping in the computer room any more... |
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15:51:21 | XavierGr | wow |
15:51:38 | XavierGr | I lost my interent connection for 2 days and look what happened! |
15:51:45 | deltron | I don't see this bug anywhere for the ipod... |
15:51:54 | deltron | I see a similar one for an h100 |
15:51:59 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Regarding your color-picker patch, I don't like the way you're testing for SCREEN_MAIN instead of characteristics of the screen. Maybe the full color-picker will work on the X5's larger remote (I forget it's dimensions though) |
15:52:26 | amiconn | 128x96 |
15:52:51 | JdGordon | oohh... colour remote? ok, ill fix it.. *grumbles* |
15:53:30 | linuxstb | I think it's 2bpp, not colour. But it's larger than the other remotes. |
15:53:32 | deltron | to upgrade rockbox, I just need to unzip the zip on the device right? |
15:54:13 | linuxstb | deltron: Very few bugs will be specific to one player - if you've found a bug on your ipod that someone else has reported on an iriver, just add a comment to the bug report saying so. |
15:55:02 | deltron | ah |
15:55:04 | deltron | ok |
15:55:10 | linuxstb | deltron: And yes to your upgrade question. |
15:56:12 | deltron | thanks |
15:58:29 | amiconn | yes, 2bpp greyscal |
15:58:31 | amiconn | e |
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16:05:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: good thing u wouldnt commit it :) ive just fixed it up, much better now, the remote can actually display all 3 bars with the default font, and it now shows all 3 unless the ffont is too large it will only show 1 |
16:06:06 | linuxstb | Sounds good... I don't have any colour devices with remotes to test it though. But I guess I could try the sim. |
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16:07:01 | JdGordon | thats where i tried it |
16:07:06 | JdGordon | looks good in the sim :) |
16:07:15 | JdGordon | updated the fs page |
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16:16:52 | Zagor | FYI: I have now activated caching in twiki. it's now blisteringly fast, but some dynamic pages (such as index pages) may become slightly outdated. I'm looking at fixes for that. |
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16:18:52 | linuxstb | Zagor: Are you able to add the ipod 3g to the table at the bottom of the CVS build table? (or do you know if Bagder is around?) |
16:19:29 | linuxstb | Bagder added the 3g to the CVS builds, but forgot to update that table. |
16:19:46 | Zagor | right. I'll look at it. Bagder is on vacation and only reads mail. |
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16:24:30 | Mmmm | petur: are you going to do the AGC patch then? |
16:24:49 | petur | no time at all I fear :( |
16:25:09 | petur | and I'm away from all hi-tech next week (holiday) |
16:25:12 | Mmmm | You should get redundant like me! |
16:25:33 | petur | no chance here |
16:25:50 | petur | workload is going to get worse next months :/ |
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16:26:48 | Mmmm | oh dear...that doesn't sound good....Maybe I'll try to fathom the AGC patch then... |
16:27:15 | petur | I haven't checked the code, just used it until now ;) |
16:27:30 | Mmmm | same here..could be a big job eh? |
16:27:48 | petur | not really |
16:28:32 | petur | I can try tonight or tomorrow night but I must get some sleep if I'm to drive a car on friday the whole day |
16:28:58 | Mmmm | ok, you can sleep tomorrow night then! ;) |
16:29:43 | petur | I don't expect any problems, jvo produces good code ;) |
16:30:23 | XavierGr | petur: what about USB OTG :p |
16:30:56 | petur | good point. next month I'll have a look :p |
16:31:02 | Zagor | linuxstb: if I did the right change, 3g will appear after next build |
16:31:39 | Mmmm | petur: next month? you've got all night! :D |
16:31:46 | linuxstb | Zagor: Thanks - I just made a commit... |
16:31:55 | linuxstb | (JDGordon's color-picker patch) |
16:32:08 | JdGordon | yay! :) |
16:32:20 | chendo | hmm |
16:32:37 | chendo | what causes php to take up insane amounts of memory? i thought there were things to prevent that |
16:33:07 | Zagor | chendo: last I looked, rockbox didn't run php |
16:33:26 | chendo | oh bleh |
16:33:28 | chendo | wrong channel |
16:34:30 | linuxstb | Zagor: The 3g build has appeared... |
16:34:43 | Zagor | excellent |
16:40:00 | deltron | JdGordon: i renamed the folder and it can browse past it. |
16:40:19 | JdGordon | :) |
16:42:21 | deltron | and submitted a bug report |
16:42:25 | deltron | well, added onto one |
16:43:40 | PaulJam | does the tagcache need to be recreated everytime you update rockbox? or am o doing something wrong? |
16:43:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: Warnings... |
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16:45:22 | XavierGr | hehe |
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16:50:22 | petur | deltron: I'm not sure that the bugreport you commented on is the same bug |
16:50:45 | petur | ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5354#comment8968 ) |
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16:53:56 | theproduk | hey all |
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16:54:12 | deltron | yeah, seemed the same problem |
16:54:24 | petur | deltron: no it's not |
16:54:44 | deltron | ok |
16:54:47 | petur | the bugreport is about hanging on a large playlist |
16:55:03 | petur | not related to the names in it |
16:55:03 | deltron | doh |
16:55:30 | deltron | i'll submit a new one. |
16:55:34 | petur | yes |
16:55:58 | petur | and also include the complete name that caused the crash |
16:56:11 | deltron | yeah |
16:56:12 | deltron | will do |
16:56:36 | deltron | it would always lock up right before I got to that folder |
16:56:41 | deltron | so I assume it was that folder |
16:57:02 | petur | all info is welcome |
16:57:23 | deltron | I'll put in a directory listing in the attachment |
16:57:35 | deltron | don't blame me for my bad taste in music ;) |
16:58:03 | * | petur is a DK fan ;) |
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17:03:34 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: amiconn scared him away |
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17:04:58 | austriancoder | hi all |
17:06:01 | * | petur will be in Austria friday evening, but not coding :) |
17:06:42 | austriancoder | petur: ah.. what are you doing in Austria? |
17:06:56 | petur | hiking in the mountains |
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17:07:36 | austriancoder | wow... i thought you are goging to the Festspiele in Bregenz |
17:08:44 | austriancoder | i need help with a patch i want to commit: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5474 - is this the best place to define MIN_CONTRAST_SETTING, MAX_CONTRAST_SETTING,...? |
17:09:47 | Slasheri | PaulJam: only when tagcache header version number changes |
17:10:01 | Slasheri | PaulJam: and it has changed often in the past few days |
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17:12:33 | PaulJam | Slasheri: thanks for the info, then i should propably try with a clean cvs version. on my patched build it seems to get reset on every update. |
17:12:43 | deltron | petur: what would you consider the category of bug report? |
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17:13:59 | petur | deltron: user interface (until it's clear what causes it) |
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17:15:27 | deltron | ok |
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17:35:44 | deltron | ok, submitted bug report |
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17:44:21 | linuxstb | Looking at the audio drivers, we have the uda1380_* functions, an identical set of wmcodec_* functions (for ipods) and tlv320_* functions for the X5... I think it would make sense to rename all these to have a common prefix, but I'm not sure what prefix to give them... |
17:45:33 | linuxstb | e.g. we have uda1380_mute(), wmcodec_mute() and tlv1380_mute() and we use #ifdefs in pcm_playback.c to decide which to call (with identical arguments)... |
17:46:40 | petur | if the signatures are identical, it makes sense to give them identical names |
17:46:52 | dan_a | linuxstb: Something like audiohw_*? |
17:46:59 | Mikachu | audiohw_ maybe? <- i just typed that too |
17:47:03 | linuxstb | The obvious name is just "codec_mute()", but that may be confused with the software libraries - and we already have codecs.h |
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17:47:14 | Mikachu | 1 point for intuitive name |
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17:48:53 | PaulJam | Slasheri: can it be that the tagcache gets reset if you do a rolo after disconnecting from usb while the disk is still spinning? |
17:49:14 | linuxstb | audiohw_ sounds reasonable to me... But I'll wait and see what people who read this in the logs suggest. |
17:49:37 | Mikachu | reading irclogs sounds like a boring pastime |
17:49:43 | petur | I'm all for it |
17:49:52 | petur | the name, not reading the logs ;) |
17:50:53 | Slasheri | PaulJam: yes, if tagcache is set to be loaded ram / autoupdate is enabled, that will corrupt the database files |
17:51:00 | Slasheri | because rolo doesn't do a clean shutdown |
17:51:31 | PaulJam | ah, this explains my problems then, thanks :) |
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17:54:29 | PaulJam | so if i do a manual shutdown/restart instead of rolo or wait until the disk stops spinning after updating the tagcache will stay intact? |
17:54:44 | Slasheri | PaulJam: yes, it should |
17:54:55 | PaulJam | ok |
17:55:21 | deltron | does rockbox now use the hardware decoder on the iPod? |
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17:55:51 | linuxstb | deltron: There isn't a hardware decoder as such. Are you talking about the Broadcom chip used for video decoding? |
17:56:21 | deltron | hmm |
17:56:30 | deltron | not sure, I know you can't use the video chip yet |
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17:57:09 | linuxstb | The ipods just have a general-purpose ARM CPU (well, two of them). |
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18:01:06 | PaulJam | maybe this is a silly question, but is there a special reason why rolo doesn't do a clean shutdown? |
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18:12:37 | Mikachu | and you could before? |
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18:14:08 | PaulJam | yes, i beliebe i could. and i still can zoom other jpegs that are bigger in both, filesize and picturesize. |
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18:51:37 | bluebrother | can somebody help me on a makefile? |
18:51:58 | bluebrother | I'm trying to understand the makefile that got generated when configuring rockbox to produce a manual. |
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18:55:02 | bluebrother | "all" should build rockbox as far as I understand from the Makefile, but it generates the manual. |
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18:58:47 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Are you looking at the Makefile in your manual build directory? (e.g. rockbox-devel/build-manual/Makefile) ? |
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18:59:03 | bluebrother | linuxstb, yes. |
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18:59:58 | linuxstb | The all: rule runs two Make commands - the first is run in the $(FIRMDIR) directory. If you look near the start of the Makefile, this is defined to be $(ROOTDIR)/manual/platform |
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19:00:26 | linuxstb | The second runes Make in the APPSDIR - defined to be $(ROOTDIR)/manual |
19:01:28 | bluebrother | aaah −− that was the point I've missed. |
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19:39:47 | amiconn | Imho RoLo should do a clean shutdown, as should the USB reboot on iPod |
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19:40:37 | amiconn | There's no special reason RoLo doesn't do a clean shutdown, probably because RoLo was there before the clean shutdown idea, and clean shutdown is implemented in a little weird way |
19:42:43 | * | linuxstb puts his hand up in agreement |
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19:53:00 | amiconn | hrrrmph! |
19:53:33 | amiconn | Bagder/Zagor/LinusN: Please configure byzantium.homedns.org not to receive SH1 builds |
19:53:52 | amiconn | Outdated gcc −−> red builds |
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20:01:33 | * | linuxstb wonders if the builds have hung... |
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20:17:58 | bluebrother | something is strange with the wiki ... |
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20:18:44 | bluebrother | is some server admin around? I just edited a page (LatexGuidelines) and the wiki claims this has been done by BjornStenberg |
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20:19:47 | linuxstb | The build system has hung as well.... |
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21:06:33 | PaulJam | Slasheri: does tagcache also get erased when you use bootloader usb mode to put music on the device? (tagcache in ram and auto-update are enabled) |
21:08:25 | Slasheri | PaulJam: no, it should get updated |
21:08:44 | dionoea | hello |
21:09:46 | PaulJam | hmm, then i wonder why it didn't work. |
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21:15:27 | bluebrother | how should we generate the html manual? Create a zip file? Or just a folder? |
21:16:09 | dionoea | folder would be good enough i guess (except if you want to move it arround) |
21:16:13 | linuxstb | Both. Create a folder first, and have another target (e.g. htmlzip) to zip that folder. |
21:17:58 | bluebrother | now I just need to generate a list of all needed screenshot images. |
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21:25:23 | LinusN | bluebrother: u there? |
21:25:29 | bluebrother | yes. |
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21:25:42 | LinusN | i saw that you had wiki problems |
21:26:34 | bluebrother | yes. It worked but got assigned to Björn which seems strange to me. |
21:26:37 | LinusN | try to shut down your browser and edit the page again |
21:26:52 | bluebrother | I already tried that. Do you think I should do it again? |
21:27:12 | LinusN | did you have to log in to edit it? |
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21:28:33 | bluebrother | yes. When clicking edit I get a prompt to log in. |
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21:28:57 | LinusN | ok, and then it still thinks you are BjornStenberg? |
21:28:59 | bluebrother | the edit window shows this line below: |
21:29:01 | bluebrother | −− Main.BjornStenberg - 19 Jul 2006 <== Your signature for easy copy and paste (triple click to select) |
21:29:06 | LinusN | wow |
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21:29:37 | bluebrother | but I'm pretty sure I'm not Björn |
21:30:15 | bluebrother | (in real life, I mean) |
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21:34:34 | linuxstb_ | LinusN: Can you help with the build system? The last build seems to have hung. |
21:34:55 | LinusN | linuxstb: hang on, busy atm |
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21:35:58 | lsduser | howdy |
21:36:18 | petur | linuxstb: how's the heat? ;) |
21:36:37 | * | linuxstb_ is withering away... |
21:37:04 | petur | I just can't sit at my desk, it's getting all wet |
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21:38:04 | lou | how about an aircon? |
21:38:35 | lsduser | is rockbox that big of a pain to install? |
21:38:47 | dionoea | no |
21:39:02 | linuxstb | lsduser: What are wanting to install it on? |
21:39:18 | lsduser | once its installed can I just mv media onto it? |
21:39:42 | lsduser | i have a 60gb ipod photo that i wouldnt mind having in ext3 while still being able to play music |
21:39:54 | linuxstb | Rockbox won't read an ext3 partition. |
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21:40:06 | lsduser | what format is it? |
21:40:07 | linuxstb | (only FAT32) |
21:40:41 | lsduser | well thats not that bad anyways i guess.. isnt rockbox a linux distro though? |
21:40:45 | lsduser | or is it just the firmware |
21:40:58 | bluebrother | it's a firmware. |
21:41:00 | linuxstb | No, it's nothing to do with Linux. It's an mp3 player firmware written from scratch. |
21:41:18 | bluebrother | if you want linux you need to go to ipodlinux.org ;-) |
21:41:26 | lowlight | anyone with ape-tagged files care to test this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5684 |
21:41:27 | lsduser | does it work as good as mac's firmware? |
21:41:43 | linuxstb | In some ways better, in some ways worse. |
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21:41:48 | lsduser | sability? |
21:41:53 | lsduser | er.. stability heh |
21:43:05 | lsduser | well once its in fat32 does it screw around with the stuff you upload to it like apples or does it keep it so you can transfer it whever you want |
21:43:07 | linuxstb | In general it's stable, but there seems to be a bug causing the occasional freeze on 4g greyscale and (unfortunately for you) Photos. But hopefully we'll find it soon (I've got a 60GB Photo). |
21:43:37 | lsduser | do you have any experience with ipod linux? |
21:44:15 | linuxstb | As a user, very little. But I've looked at their code a great deal (it's the inspiration for the Rockbox port to ipods). |
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21:45:50 | lsduser | how serious is this photo bug? |
21:46:18 | linuxstb | Not that serious - I still use Rockbox on my Photo (and only Rockbox). |
21:46:45 | lsduser | what happens? |
21:47:29 | lsduser | with the bug I mean?? also does it use batteries quicker than apples firmware?? for a while I had wikipedia on my ipod and whenever i used it it would eat up all my resources |
21:47:31 | linuxstb | As I said, it just freezes... People have reported that it generally happens after an hour of playback. I _sometimes_ experience a freeze after about 10 minutes of playback, but sometimes it works fine. |
21:47:33 | lsduser | er.. battery sorry |
21:48:18 | linuxstb | See here for some runtime tests on various ipods: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
21:49:04 | lsduser | thx |
21:49:05 | linuxstb | But I think the ones for the 4G and Photo/Color are before some improvements were made, so it should be slightly better now. |
21:49:46 | linuxstb | But Rockbox on the ipods is new, and there's been no ipod-specific development for the last 3 months due to a feature-freeze. |
21:50:01 | linuxstb | So development is just picking up again now (I hope). |
21:50:58 | linuxstb | As a guide to what Rockbox is, you could browse the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
21:51:09 | linuxstb | But I've got to go now. Bye. |
21:51:17 | juxtap | linuxstb, wait |
21:51:19 | deltron | it's not bad at all on my 5G |
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21:51:45 | juxtap | you know where i can find adapters for ipods to allow a line-in? |
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21:54:26 | hardeep | dionoea: you need to update plugin api version in plugin.h when adding new functions |
21:54:59 | dionoea | even if i'm appending ? |
21:55:08 | dionoea | arr .... nevermind |
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21:56:40 | linuxstb | juxtap: I don't know of anyone selling simple adapters commercially. As I mentioned in IRC last night, here's a commercial microphone/line-in adapter for the 5g: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1989254,00.asp |
21:57:02 | lsduser | man i have heartburn real bad |
21:57:16 | deltron | hmm |
21:57:28 | deltron | that's weird, I thought it didn't have the capability of recording.. |
21:58:29 | linuxstb | deltron: Yes, some ipods (I think all apart from the mini and Nano) can record at up to 24-bit/96KHz. It's just that the line-in is hidden in the dock connector, and Apple's firmware doesn't support it. |
21:59:18 | linuxstb | Although the right-channel of the headphone connector also doubles as a mono line/mic-in. |
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22:02:54 | deltron | hmm, just how the heck does it record? records it straight to mp3 from the device I guess |
22:03:36 | deltron | I mean, that'd be more simple |
22:04:34 | linuxstb | It's just a normal DAC that gives you uncompressed PCM data. So any encoding would need to be done on the CPU. |
22:04:44 | linuxstb | I mean ADC. |
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22:05:35 | amiconn | linuxstb: Iiuc the g1 and g2 ipods also can't record |
22:05:50 | amiconn | g3, g4 and g5 should be able to |
22:06:23 | linuxstb | Given how long the g3 port has taken, I'ld be surprised if Rockbox ever makes it to the g1 and g2. |
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22:15:04 | theprodukkt | there is no easy way to build rockbox on windows, is it? |
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22:16:36 | PaulJam | theprodukkt: i think the vmware image is more or less easy to use. |
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22:17:50 | theprodukkt | maybe, but i just have isdn |
22:17:54 | linuxstb | theprodukkt: There are three ways - Cygwin, vmware and colinux. |
22:18:09 | theprodukkt | it takes long to download linux stuff :( |
22:18:29 | theprodukkt | colinux? |
22:18:34 | theprodukkt | whats that |
22:18:49 | deltron | vmware <3 |
22:19:33 | theprodukkt | oh sry |
22:19:38 | theprodukkt | forgot about looking in the wiki |
22:19:50 | theprodukkt | it would help me :) |
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22:22:30 | theprodukkt | how big will the cygwin environment be? |
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22:24:12 | Pons | guys, why does rockbox doesn't allow me to run doom |
22:24:26 | theprodukkt | (me too, he sais hes missing a file) |
22:24:30 | Pons | saying Missing base WAD |
22:25:30 | theprodukkt | btw: could you do a doom 3 port ;) |
22:25:33 | PaulJam | i think when i installed cygwin, it downloaded ~118MiB of additional stuff while installing. |
22:25:37 | Pons | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3471.0 |
22:25:45 | theprodukkt | omg, shit |
22:25:48 | theprodukkt | thats not good 4 me |
22:26:16 | * | ender` yawns |
22:26:21 | petur | amiconn: pardon me being lazy, what's the recording gain resolution on Archos? |
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22:26:51 | Pons | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
22:28:27 | theprodukkt | [Wednesday 22:18:31] linuxstb: theprodukkt: There are three ways - Cygwin, vmware and colinux. |
22:28:32 | theprodukkt | ^^ well i know another solution |
22:28:40 | theprodukkt | the cvs build server ;) |
22:28:45 | theprodukkt | just give me access :) |
22:29:18 | theprodukkt | on which ports are the machines listening for rbclient? |
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22:30:39 | dionoea | hum, are the CVS builds frozen ? |
22:30:57 | petur | yes |
22:31:14 | petur | the builds system isn't used to all the updates anymore |
22:31:29 | petur | it catched a cold from the long feature freeze |
22:31:36 | theprodukkt | ^^ |
22:31:41 | dionoea | :) |
22:33:16 | theprodukkt | does the system work like that?: on the one hand there are the compiler-servers who get the cvs and compile it for specific platforms and on the other theres 1 server which manages the compilers |
22:33:33 | petur | almost |
22:33:48 | petur | builds are handed out to the individual servers |
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22:34:02 | petur | and the main build server does some itself too |
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22:35:30 | theprodukkt | its improbable that all 11 server crash i think so it could be the problem of the "hand-out-server" |
22:35:52 | LinusN | bluebrother: could you try again to edit a topic? |
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22:36:43 | theprodukkt | how is the information (in 4mins 38secs) showed on the page? |
22:37:13 | dionoea | some kind of mean of previous builds i guess |
22:37:31 | theprodukkt | i mean how did u integrate that information so that the webserver can apply it |
22:38:09 | midkay | what do you mean? it just totals the time from when builds are first handed out to when they're all done.. |
22:38:36 | theprodukkt | but how does the server (apache, ... ) get those informations |
22:38:52 | midkay | it doesn't get them, it generates them - i'd think. |
22:39:03 | midkay | if it hands them out and it retrieves them all, it can itself simply calculate the time. |
22:39:52 | theprodukkt | communication problem :/ |
22:40:09 | petur | theprodukkt: server side scripting |
22:40:14 | theprodukkt | ^^ |
22:40:45 | theprodukkt | how does it work |
22:41:30 | theprodukkt | i just know php and cannot imagine a way to show informations from other applications |
22:42:07 | linuxstb | It's just a Perl script which (I'm guessing) runs in the background on the server, and generates the cvs.shtml page just as a static page on the server. |
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22:42:41 | dumbkid | ^^ sounds logical |
22:42:51 | dumbkid | i expected something like that... |
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22:43:29 | LinusN | yes, the build script creates the html pages |
22:43:29 | petur | ah, some good soul kicked the build server |
22:43:43 | * | LinusN <- good soul |
22:43:57 | * | petur guessed that ;) |
22:44:59 | dumbkid | i dont see any builds without compilation errors/warnings.. whats the matter for that? |
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22:45:48 | dumbkid | shouldnt they be fixed? |
22:46:25 | linuxstb | They are warnings introduced in newer versions of gcc (4.1 I think). But yes, they should be fixed. |
22:48:12 | LinusN | it's amiconn's server that has the newer gcc |
22:48:39 | petur | Christi too I think |
22:48:49 | LinusN | meybe we should disable sim builds on his server for now, until we feel ready to deal with the warnings |
22:48:50 | obo | and mine |
22:48:52 | LinusN | maybe |
22:49:20 | LinusN | damn |
22:49:38 | dumbkid | do u all have your dedicated servers? |
22:49:50 | LinusN | looks like rockbox.org has the newer compiler too now... |
22:49:51 | petur | ah no, Christi's server is the one that generates the flash full error for rombox |
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22:50:06 | obo | 4.1 is in debian unstable... |
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23:04:26 | amiconn | LinusN: The red build on Christi's server is because of an old sh-elf-gcc, not a new one |
23:04:39 | amiconn | I already mentioned it 2 times |
23:05:06 | amiconn | I don't think the gcc 4.1 warnings hurt much. Several build servers already have 4.1 |
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23:06:12 | amiconn | petur: 1.5 dB |
23:06:24 | Pons | has any of you found pacman for pacbox' |
23:06:25 | Pons | ? |
23:07:19 | petur | amiconn: you'll be delighted to hear that Archos won't get AGC.... |
23:07:29 | amiconn | no? |
23:07:39 | amiconn | LinusN: For doom, we shoud just disable the gcc 4.1 warnings |
23:07:45 | petur | don't you want the size small? |
23:07:54 | amiconn | Then only 4 of them remain, which shouldn't be hard to fix |
23:08:50 | petur | amiconn: well the current code from jvo is written for 0.5dB steps, so either I change that of only commit for iriver atm |
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23:11:35 | dumbkid | where is the code for the building of the tagcache files stored (in which files= |
23:11:35 | dumbkid | ) |
23:11:36 | dumbkid | ? |
23:15:00 | Pons | argrg |
23:15:05 | Pons | i can't find pacman! |
23:15:33 | dumbkid | argrg |
23:15:41 | dumbkid | i can't find the tagcache source |
23:17:45 | amiconn | petur: Yes of course rockbox shouldn't be bloated too much |
23:18:13 | amiconn | But imho agc is more useful a feature than numerous others which got added recently |
23:18:30 | _FireFly_ | AGC? |
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23:18:37 | amiconn | - even though I rarely record anything |
23:19:16 | amiconn | (with the numerous other features I mean things like playlist catalog, dir skip, runtime db, ...) |
23:19:42 | markun | dumbkid: maybe apps/tagcache.* ? |
23:19:51 | amiconn | _especially_ runtime db |
23:20:04 | * | amiconn cannot see the point of having a runtime db |
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23:21:28 | dumbkid | strange, in my source there isnt a apps/tagcache! |
23:22:06 | petur | ok, I'll look at getting AGC working for all targets with recording |
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23:22:27 | markun | dumbkid: where did you download the source from? |
23:22:41 | dumbkid | think rockbox.org |
23:22:46 | markun | The files should be there. See http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/ |
23:22:46 | dumbkid | exactly i dont remember |
23:22:58 | dumbkid | already looking there |
23:22:58 | dumbkid | thx |
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23:26:58 | amiconn | dionoea: (a) yes, they're equal in the uint8_t range. (b) Which one is faster depends on the target cpu, the actual desired effect, what else you are doing with the values (e.g. casting from/to other types) |
23:27:26 | amiconn | (c) don't count on gcc's optimisation abilities, always check the result if speed is important |
23:27:52 | dionoea | target CPU is x86, desired effect ?, sometimes its from uint8_t, sometimes it's a cast from a uint32_t |
23:28:14 | amiconn | gcc's optimisations are ranging from ultra clever to ultra dumb |
23:28:24 | amiconn | Predictability? None. |
23:28:57 | amiconn | Maybe for x86 it's better, I have no idea |
23:29:07 | dionoea | ok :) thanks for the help anyway |
23:29:13 | dionoea | i'll put it in a loop and time it |
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23:33:52 | dumbkid | what do you think about the idea if in the artist tag are given 2 artists, seperated by &, for example "Bean & Yanou" (the seperator could also be feat. vs. ...) that tracked is showed in the tagcache twice, once under each artist? |
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23:35:20 | dumbkid | no one cares? |
23:37:17 | dumbkid | say something! |
23:37:31 | petur | boo |
23:37:39 | petur | :p |
23:38:04 | * | dumbkid is curious about the others! |
23:38:43 | _FireFly_ | dumbkid: for most devs it is 11:40 pm |
23:39:07 | _FireFly_ | so don't expect an imediately answer |
23:39:28 | _FireFly_ | and for this case of question the rockbox-dev-ml would be a better place |
23:39:36 | dumbkid | why? |
23:39:47 | _FireFly_ | why what ? |
23:39:52 | dumbkid | id just wanna know what u think about that idea |
23:39:58 | dumbkid | u as a user ;) |
23:40:35 | _FireFly_ | i don't care because i don't use tagcache ;) and doesn't ran the newest build, too |
23:40:53 | * | dumbkid is demotivated :( |
23:41:06 | webguest79 | dumbkid: but what about bandnames like "Blank & Jones" or "Coheed & Cambria" |
23:41:09 | _FireFly_ | form one answer wow ;) |
23:41:20 | dumbkid | u are right |
23:41:37 | dumbkid | i saw them too |
23:41:53 | dumbkid | but it wouldn disturb me |
23:43:10 | dumbkid | im actually thinking about the place where to do the changes, one possibilitie is to seperate during the writing of the tagcache files |
23:43:44 | dumbkid | the other, slower method would be to seperate themn during the showing of the entrys |
23:44:25 | dumbkid | but i think the first way is the better one |
23:46:02 | dumbkid | wow found a cute line in the rockbox code: cpu_boost(true); |
23:46:10 | dumbkid | does that work on my pc too xD ? |
23:47:34 | * | obo guesses that dumbkid doesn't remember PCs with turbo buttons on them |
23:47:53 | dumbkid | i remember :) |
23:48:04 | dumbkid | but i dont remember what they were for -.- |
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23:51:38 | ttyfscker | where can i get the mp3 codec for rockbox |
23:52:22 | bluebrother | LinusN, I just tried, now it seems fine. Sorry, was out for a while. |
23:53:57 | dumbkid | if ((do_you_know_such_a_function("Artist 1 & Artist2",1) == "Artist 1") and (do_you_know_such_a_function("Artist 1 & Artist2",2) == "Artist 2")) |
23:53:57 | dumbkid | { |
23:53:57 | dumbkid | posthere(name_of_that_function); |
23:53:57 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dumbkid |
23:53:57 | dumbkid | } |
23:54:47 | ttyfscker | when i am trying to play an mp3 on my nano i get no codec available.. i looked for the codec for mp3 on rockbox and i cant find it.. how do you all get your mp3s to play? |
23:54:55 | dumbkid | cpu_boost(true); /* hope u can think faster know... */ |
23:55:21 | dumbkid | usually the encoder is already included |
23:55:23 | bluebrother | ttyfscker, have you tried reinstalling rockbox? |
23:55:36 | dumbkid | or trie to play another file |
23:55:39 | ttyfscker | bluebrother:: yes |
23:55:40 | bluebrother | sounds like you're some files missing. |
23:55:48 | ttyfscker | hrm |
23:55:56 | bluebrother | do you have mpa.codec in the codecs subdir? |
23:56:01 | ttyfscker | yes |
23:56:14 | ttyfscker | ill wipe everything |
23:56:20 | ttyfscker | and redo it |
23:56:36 | dumbkid | rockbox doest support mp3pro etc. (do i remember right?!?) |
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23:56:40 | dumbkid | trie another file |
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23:56:52 | ttyfscker | it does it on all my mp3s |
23:57:37 | dumbkid | maybe theyre all the same type |
23:58:02 | dumbkid | i dont know too what to do |
23:58:05 | ttyfscker | whats the diff in mp3 and mp3pro |
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23:58:10 | ttyfscker | how can you tell which one you have |
23:58:16 | dumbkid | ^^ i dont know |
23:58:28 | dumbkid | have to reconnect |
23:58:31 | dumbkid | cya in a min |
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