#rockbox 2006-07-21

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#rockbox log for 2006-07-21

00:00:53	dan_a	But I don't really know what I'm doing, so it all goes horribly wrong!
00:01:28	linuxstb_	That's how to learn...
00:01:55	linuxstb_	I think preglow tried to get thumb code working, but he's not around at the moment (holiday I think).
00:02:10	dan_a	:D So far all I've been doing is copying and pasting with style
00:03:13	linuxstb_	So it crashes as soon as you try to play a file with one of those codecs?
00:03:42	dan_a	yup
00:03:51	linuxstb_	Did you notice how big the .codec files are compared to the regular ARM versions?
00:04:47		Quit petur ("on holiday, back in 10 days or so :)")
00:05:14	dan_a	Vorbis is 4k smaller, mpa is 2k smaller
00:05:15	linuxstb_	There goes another one...
00:06:09	linuxstb_	So a tiny reduction in size then.. Although there is probably quite a lot of data in those codecs.
00:07:00	linuxstb_	Although if you get thumb code working, there is the opportunity to put a little more code in IRAM.
00:08:09	linuxstb_	Most of the codecs contain at least a little ARM assembler - I wonder how gcc deals with that in thumb mode...
00:09:13	dan_a	It wouldn't compile bits.c from libmad, but I couldn't see any assembler in that (I just had a quick glance though)
00:10:44	linuxstb_	There are macros in (I think) fixed.h which are used - search for FPM_ARM
00:11:47	linuxstb_	BTW, have you tried SID on your ipod?
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00:12:34	RaiderX	where do i put my doom WAD? and does doom on rockbox support multiple WAD loading?
00:12:35	dionoea	is Thumb another instruction set for ARM cpus ?
00:13:19	darth_mall	is there any way to get a nicer looking theme on the iAudio X5, or is the black on blue the only one available just now?
00:14:07	dan_a	linuxstb: Not yet. At the moment I'm just desparately trying to get MP3 to a point where I can use Rockbox instead of the default firmware
00:14:26		Quit ender` (" Programming is like sex becuse: 6. If you spend more time doing it than watching TV, people think you�re some kind of freak.)
00:15:00	dan_a	dionoea: Yes, have a look through the IRC log from earlier today
00:16:07	*	dionoea just had a look at the AMR_architecture page on wikipedia
00:16:11	dionoea	looks nice
00:17:58	dionoea	do the ipod's cpu have Thumb-2 ? or only Thumb ?
00:18:23	linuxstb_	dan_a: I've added an ipod 3g column to the table at the bottom of this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs
00:18:38	bluebrother	what devices don't have Rolo?
00:19:04	linuxstb_	I've just ticked the WAV, AIFF and FLAC for now - let me know if you find any other codecs which run in realtime (or edit the page yourself).
00:19:18	linuxstb_	bluebrother: Only the ipods I think.
00:19:57	dan_a	linuxstb_: I'll update it when things work. Right - must be off now.
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00:21:07	linuxstb_	dionoea: Just thumb.
00:23:37	linuxstb_	bluebrother: We can implement rolo for the ipods, but it's just not done yet.
00:26:19	grimman	^^
00:26:22	grimman	So far I love Rockbox.
00:30:22	bluebrother	linuxstb_, thanks. Got to go now.
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00:54:03	markun	linuxstb_: SID tunes are another reason to abandon the 1 file = 1 song policy
00:54:56	linuxstb_	True... No-one seems keen on implementing it though.
00:55:52	markun	true :)
00:55:55	linuxstb_	Any gigabeat news?
00:56:02	nudelyn	someone should make something which splits SID files into multiple files. they've always been a pain in the arse to deal with.
00:56:19	nudelyn	(someone = !me) :-)
00:56:38	markun	there were some attempts to get some minimal bootloader to compile, but I haven't looked at the code they wrote to see what's wrong
00:58:08	linuxstb_	I'ld be happy to have a look if you need help.
00:59:00	markun	I'll ask them to put the code somewhere
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01:19:24	orthogonal	Can I add a rider to my GPL'd contributions, indicatin gthat no Verrizon employee or stockholder can use my code without paying $10?
01:19:41	Paul_The_Nerd	Hahaha
01:20:05	orthogonal	Verizon: mercenary bastards
01:20:23	linuxstb_	Hello earHertz...
01:20:26	goffa_	$10 is cheap :)
01:20:46	orthogonal	"We only charged you $50 for a refurbished, out-of-date replacemnet phone, so we did you a favor. Now pay us $10 more if you want your numbers transferred"
01:21:02	Paul_The_Nerd	They charge you to transfer numbers?
01:21:07	orthogonal	Yup
01:21:09	goffa_	non refundable upon failure :P
01:21:12	linuxstb_	Sounds like you should buy Verizon shares...
01:21:42	Paul_The_Nerd	You mean... like a SIM transfer?
01:21:42	orthogonal	linuxstb_hwey spend milllions to get new custoers, and do nothing to retain existing ones. I should be shorting Verizon stock
01:22:02	orthogonal	Paul_The_Nerd: no, that;s inmclued in teh $50. I mean phonebook/contatcs
01:22:44	Paul_The_Nerd	At cingular, they grabbed my phone from me, dumped phone numbers to the SIM, transferred them to the new SIM card, and then put the new one in the new phone, without giving me any further options such as "No, don't do that!"
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01:24:01	*	Paul_The_Nerd wonders what you're perpendicular to
01:24:36	*	linuxstb_ doesn't like rockpaint's use of its own menu and colour picker...
01:25:26	Paul_The_Nerd	Consistency _would_ be nice.
01:25:38	orthogonal	What did you want?
01:26:22	Paul_The_Nerd	Well don't we already have a menuing system that's used in several plugins?
01:27:07	linuxstb_	Some plugins (Sudoku, pacbox, Doom) use the standard Rockbox menus, others (Rockboy, Rockpaint) have their own...
01:28:18	Paul_The_Nerd	Though, doesn't the RockPaint colour picker offer RGB and HSV?
01:28:33	orthogonal	There's a vaccine for HSV now
01:28:55	Rondom	orthogonal: lol
01:28:59	Paul_The_Nerd	Hehehe
01:29:14	linuxstb_	Yes, but the colour-picker in the core can always be improved to add HSV support.
01:29:34	Rondom	and for pauli, too
01:29:50	orthogonal	Color picker in teh core isn't in teh core of non-color devices, right?
01:30:05	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb_: Well, that's where I was going. Is the Rockpaint colour picker adaptable to general use?
01:30:20	linuxstb_	Possibly. It doesn't have remote support though.
01:30:23	Paul_The_Nerd	Aaaah
01:30:24	Paul_The_Nerd	Ick
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01:30:40	Paul_The_Nerd	But is there much use for remote support, beyond the ability to control it maybe?
01:31:05	linuxstb_	In the core it's useful if you manage to set the foreground/background to something very similar.
01:31:18	linuxstb_	You can then recover using the remote.
01:32:05	Paul_The_Nerd	Ah, that is kinda nice.
01:35:49	linuxstb_	orthogonal: No, the colour picker isn't in the core for non-colour devices, but then Rockpaint wouldn't need it either.
01:37:21	orthogonal	Other than Adolph and Herbert, what are given names that acquired negative connotations in the last century?
01:38:07	goffa_	herbert?
01:38:22	orthogonal	goffa_: You American?
01:38:25	goffa_	yeah
01:39:11	orthogonal	Herbert Hoover was the president when the depression started, and was blamed for his decision to let the market take care of it
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01:39:17	goffa_	ah
01:40:04	orthogonal	Lyndon does decline precipitaously in teh 70s, after climbing in teh 60s
01:40:23	Paul_The_Nerd	I always think of Frank Herbert, rather than Herbert Hoover when I hear the name Herbert, regardless of whether it's someone's given name or not
01:40:54	orthogonal	heh. Dune was teh first "adult" biook I read, when I was eight
01:42:18	orthogonal	ah, Winston, that's interesting
01:42:41	Paul_The_Nerd	I started with Asimov
01:43:04	*	S0ap jumped right in to the Henry Miller
01:43:19	orthogonal	yeah, I read a lot of him. Great stories, but they never really touched. me. Now Heinlein, I still re-read several of his novels each year
01:43:40	orthogonal	Probbaly read Moon is a Harsh Mistress a dozen times
01:43:43	orthogonal	or more
01:43:46	S0ap	Facism w/a libertarian face. He's good, but a kook.
01:43:52	orthogonal	S0ap: no kidding?
01:44:06	goffa_	yeah.. just didn't know which herbert you were reffering to
01:44:17	S0ap	How else would you describe his (military based) utopias?
01:44:21	orthogonal	goffa_: yeah, I should have speciofieed
01:44:48	orthogonal	S0ap: oh, I thought you meant Miller!
01:44:55	orthogonal	you're dissing Heionlein
01:44:56	S0ap	lol
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01:45:13	S0ap	not dissing, as I have all his adult novels, just commenting
01:45:14	goffa_	but i think you could you could name your kid adolf or herbert and be ok.. other than being outdated names for new people :)
01:45:19	orthogonal	S0ap: he only had one military governemnt, and he didn't call it a utopia
01:45:35	goffa_	not that i'm condoning hitler
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01:45:52	orthogonal	besides, the book is really an examination of the US war against teh Japanese in ww2
01:46:49	Paul_The_Nerd	Herbert kids have to be careful, what with there being that new Herbie movie and all.
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02:15:30	BloodySorcerer	ouch!
02:15:33	BloodySorcerer	that was my foot!
02:15:37	orthogonal	lol
02:15:40	*	BloodySorcerer plucks out the pin
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02:21:31	orthogonal	crap, I forgot to eat today
02:21:55	BloodySorcerer	how do you forget to eat?
02:22:10	orthogonal	I was running around doing stuff
02:28:13	Paul_The_Nerd	I've forgotten to eat many many times.
02:28:31	orthogonal	yeah?
02:29:32	Paul_The_Nerd	I'll suddenly remember I'm starving, and start searching back to try to remember the last thing I ate, and it's 16+ hours prior
02:35:10	XavierGr	Paul_The_Nerd: I know what you are talking about! :p
02:35:20	orthogonal	yup
02:35:38	idnar	"eat"? what is that?
02:35:44	idnar	;)
02:35:54	XavierGr	sometimes I can get the opposite though
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02:42:46	BloodySorcerer	the opposite?
02:42:48	BloodySorcerer	forget to poop?
02:43:48	Paul_The_Nerd	Forget that you already ate?
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02:47:01	XavierGr	ah he left....
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03:22:34	RaiderX	ate to ask a noob ?, but where do I put the doom WAD?
03:22:42	RaiderX	for ipod rockbox
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03:28:22	grimman	Hm, how come the fonts are messed up when I install and use a theme?
03:29:20	RaiderX	u need the font patch
03:29:29	grimman	Aha.
03:29:43	RaiderX	adn then you gotta go in the menus and look for a font that fits properly with the theme
03:30:17	RaiderX	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts-20060720.zip <−−- thats the latest font pack
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03:30:40	grimman	ok, I was looking at that one. =)
03:30:49	grimman	Though it didn't say "patch" so I was unsure. ;)
03:30:50	grimman	Thanks!
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03:33:05	grimman	Now... all that's left is good battery time. ;)
03:33:40	grimman	Btw, I read something on the forums about a custom build for the 60 GB video iPods to make better use of the extra RAM... what's that about?
03:33:54	grimman	Ie, what good does that do?
03:34:48	Cc2iscooL	Does anyone know where I can get the files to flash the Jukebox player? Mr. Jens Arnold seems to have taken them off his site.
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03:39:00	RaiderX	wuts the jukebox payer?
03:39:04	RaiderX	*player
03:39:10	RaiderX	and where do i put the doom wad?
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03:48:38	Cc2iscooL	Does anyone know where I can get the Jukebox player files to flash it? It seems they've been removed from jens-arnold.net.
03:49:23	Paul_The_Nerd	Why aren't you downloading the ones in the wiki?
03:50:14	Cc2iscooL	I am. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlashingRockbox Scroll to the bottom.
03:50:51	Paul_The_Nerd	That page is outdated, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BootBox
03:52:03	Cc2iscooL	Aah, thanks. Didn't see that page.
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03:56:24	RaiderX	wut is the jukebox player? can i get a likn with some info on it?
03:56:45	RaiderX	or first, is it not for ipods?
03:57:02	Paul_The_Nerd	It's a different MP3 player
03:57:08	Paul_The_Nerd	Rockbox was on a lot of other things before iPod
03:57:20	RaiderX	i know it was
03:57:25	RaiderX	thats why i asked
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04:06:50	Cc2iscooL	http://www.archos.com//support/download/spec_sheets/archos_jukebox_studio_20_en.pdf Here's the one I have :)
04:07:02	Cc2iscooL	By the way Paul, thanks. Flash worked perfectly.
04:07:22	Paul_The_Nerd	Cc2iscooL: Glad to hear it
04:08:12	Cc2iscooL	I have a quick question, been having a strange problem for a while now with the backlight, and it's not related to settings, it seems only when I hit a button or when the HD is working I get it to light up. Otherwise it's off (as in when I press the button on, when I release it's off again).
04:09:07	Paul_The_Nerd	Dunno what might cause that.
04:09:14	orthogonal	Cc2iscooL: backlight timeout
04:09:34	Cc2iscooL	It's on 5s.
04:09:47	orthogonal	increase it
04:11:15	Cc2iscooL	Seems to get worse actually as I go up, on is the same way.
04:11:26	orthogonal	worse?
04:11:45	Cc2iscooL	Yep, it lights up even less...sometimes not even when I press the button.
04:11:59	orthogonal	device?
04:12:09	Cc2iscooL	Archos Jukebox Studio 20
04:12:32	orthogonal	hardware falt
04:12:41	Cc2iscooL	That's what I was thinking.
04:12:44	orthogonal	archos qa sucks
04:12:55	orthogonal	um
04:12:57	orthogonal	short
04:13:08	Cc2iscooL	I'm not really worried about it, don't really use it at night...so it's not a huge deal to me.
04:13:16	orthogonal	buttomnn or harddrive gets poewer, shorts into backlight
04:13:39	Cc2iscooL	The weird thing is if I just hit menu then back into the file system it works like it should.
04:14:26	orthogonal	shorts in menu button
04:14:29	Cc2iscooL	Probably just dropped it and it knocked something lose.
04:14:32	orthogonal	menu on juskebox is f2?
04:15:04	Cc2iscooL	F1
04:15:10	orthogonal	near lcd
04:15:19	orthogonal	talk to idc dragon
04:15:20	Cc2iscooL	It's the furthest away actually.
04:15:41	*	orthogonal was thibnking off v2?
04:15:54	Cc2iscooL	Possibly, this is the old old one.
04:16:16	orthogonal	idc dragon
04:16:22	Cc2iscooL	http://www.rockbox.org/docs/newplayer.jpg
04:16:35	orthogonal	ah
04:16:44	Cc2iscooL	Looks like that basically...just I have the Studio 20.
04:16:51	Cc2iscooL	Same design though.
04:16:52	orthogonal	k
04:18:09	Cc2iscooL	Would get an IPod and load RockBox on it but they're still quite expensive.
04:18:53	orthogonal	yah
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04:19:32	grimman	Ask Pablo in that back alley you shouldn't visit.
04:19:35	grimman	He has cheap ones.
04:19:36	grimman	;)
04:19:45	orthogonal	put rockbox on "friend's" ipod. tell friend ipod is broken. offer to take it off his hands for $50
04:19:52	grimman	hehe
04:20:11	Cc2iscooL	Haha
04:20:25	Cc2iscooL	Yes but then they get suspicious.
04:20:51	orthogonal	get stupider friends
04:21:22	Cc2iscooL	Probably a better thing to say would be "Hey, I know a bit about those things, maybe I can fix it." and tell them later it was broken beyond repair and you threw it away.
04:21:44	scott666	or get an accomplice to do the buying
04:21:53	Paul_The_Nerd	I like "get stupider friends"
04:22:02	Cc2iscooL	Yes but with my way you don't have to buy it at all.
04:22:10	*	orthogonal hugs Paul_The_Nerd, my new friend
04:22:15	Cc2iscooL	lol
04:22:19	JdGordon	grrr.. problem with having so much music, i have a song stuck in my head and cant figure out the name of the song, or even the band :'(
04:22:33	scott666	google a bit of the lyrics? that usually works for me
04:22:44	orthogonal	http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/42605
04:26:08	JdGordon	yay :) figured it out
04:26:12	JdGordon	bloody chimaira :p
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04:27:23	orthogonal	:(
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05:20:26	saratoga	stupid question: how do i get the helloworld plugin to compile in a simulator build?
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05:23:32	JdGordon	saratoga: u need to add it to SOURCES in apps/plugins/
05:23:59	saratoga	thanks
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05:34:21	JdGordon	does anyone know how to run the tools/configure script without user input?
05:35:07	midkay	that was asked+answered a couple weeks ago..
05:36:11	JdGordon	ok... ?
05:36:19	JdGordon	your not gonna make me search are u? :'(
05:36:25	*	JdGordon bbs
05:37:26	sharpe	hello everyone...
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05:37:41	grimman	Hello. =)
05:37:51	sharpe	you can redirect the input into the script, JdGordon.
05:38:48	sharpe	i belive such as... "./tools/configure \| 15\nN\nB\n" or whatever.
05:40:56	midkay	you "belive", sharpe?
05:41:37	sharpe	yeah, i belive.
05:41:45	sharpe	not believe, belive.
05:41:56	midkay	tard.
05:42:32	sharpe	yep. i love you too midkay.
05:51:04	Paul_The_Nerd	4-port powered USB hub: 19.99, Apple USB wall charger: 29.00. I mean, I guess it's faster, but c'mon...
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05:53:26	sharpe	Paul_The_Nerd: what color is the usb hub?
05:53:37	Paul_The_Nerd	Mostly silver
05:54:11	sharpe	that's the reason. the nextra 10$ comes from the white color, and the usb and apple logo. and the lack of usb ports.
05:54:33	Paul_The_Nerd	Ah yes. White plastic, it is expensive.
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05:56:10	sharpe	see. it's all about color and lack of things that makes stuff cost more.
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06:00:47	Paul_The_Nerd	Dude, the forums put a little phone icon next to posts I type from my mobile
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06:15:43	sharpe	that's neat.
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06:19:09	gursikh	hello, can someone registered on the wiki fix something Real quick (My opinion) (not owrth registering if I amonly going to fix one thing) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding scroll to bottom table, rightmost entry in top row is ugly image of "updated" please just make into text.
06:19:57	sharpe	ooh. ugly.
06:20:09	sharpe	did zagor every implement the approval thing yet i wonder...
06:20:12	gursikh	exactly
06:20:58	Paul_The_Nerd	Really, you should go ahead and register for the wiki.
06:21:07	sharpe	aww, i was gonna.
06:21:17	Paul_The_Nerd	Someone beat me to editing the page.
06:21:56	sharpe	me ;)
06:22:26	gursikh	I guess I should, large warning about not registering if I'm not going to contribute
06:23:09	gursikh	Hrm
06:23:31	gursikh	i've been around quite a bit lurking.
06:24:08	sharpe	gursikh: that's stalking in certain places.
06:24:23	gursikh	meh, so track me down and stop me........
06:24:38	JdGordon	thanx sharpe, ye i tinhk ill have to do something luike that
06:25:21	Galois	Houston, TX?
06:26:33	gursikh	that doesn't help you much, houston is BIG, and my IP won't pin me down much more than that
06:27:00	Galois	you'd need the PATRIOT act to make further progress
06:27:09	gursikh	LOL
06:27:26	sharpe	JdGordon: welcome.
06:27:32	gursikh	or I know a guy, who knows a guy...
06:27:43	sharpe	who has this cousin, twice removed...
06:28:23	gursikh	who will track you down and.... etc. etc. etc.
06:29:45	RaiderX	i knwo a guy who IS trakicg oyu donw right now gursikh
06:30:25	gursikh	Cool, I'll welcome him warmly with various arms.
06:30:40	RaiderX	who said it was ahim..
06:30:52	RaiderX	and its not a her either...
06:31:03	sharpe	that's kind of vague, don't you think?
06:31:16	Galois	your dog?
06:31:23	gursikh	I'll welcome them/it/him/her/the borg openly.
06:31:58	gursikh	does wiki registration access flyspray as well, or is it seperate?
06:32:38	sharpe	seperate.
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06:43:24	gursikh	is it ok, that on a page with all links to other pages in the wiki, one link is directly to external site (without warning), even though there is a section below that for "external pages" ?
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06:47:50	gursikh	Please see: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Howtos under howto, link: "Linux driver for Archos Player/Studio." is external page (albiet apparenlty bjornes site) while all others (sans external pages section) are internal wiki links
06:49:42	gursikh	also, on same page under heading [For Developers] link: "How to build and debug Rockbox in the Eclipse IDE." is also external (and reads outdated)
06:51:26	gursikh	{eclipse is now version 3.2, and includes many more tools and functionality for working with non Java projects}
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06:54:01	gursikh	I guess I should register, though I'm very nervous about editing or changing something incorrectly (3 of the links on that page to external pages 404 )
06:55:37	sharpe	gursikh: you can always roll back the changes. :)
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06:55:58	gursikh	I know, I know, but still.
06:56:39	gursikh	Paul, Sharpe, if you see these comments, please change as advised if they have not been changed by me at that point.Thank you for your contributions to Rockbox.
06:56:44	gursikh	i'm off to bed
06:57:25	sharpe	g'night
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07:09:00	RaiderX	WOW
07:09:04	RaiderX	look at this hottie: http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=728&CAT=pics&NSFW=4&rtn=search-728&Keywords=nsfw
07:10:26	sharpe	ahah, -6000000/29869676 doesn't seem like a good count of how much ram is used.
07:15:50	Pons	is it normal for the ipod to reboot everytime i connect it to USB?
07:16:00	sharpe	yes.
07:16:18	Pons	and there isn't any workarounds for this?
07:16:28	sharpe	do you want to use rockbox while it charges?
07:16:29	Pons	except for Menu button pressed
07:16:44	Pons	i'd like to be like apple firmware
07:16:57	sharpe	rockbox doesn't have a usb mode for ipods.
07:17:12	Pons	do you know if it is in development
07:17:20	sharpe	not to my knowledge.
07:18:02	Paul_The_Nerd	Pons: It's not in development yet because there's not enough knowledge about the hardware to do it at this time.
07:18:32	Pons	ih
07:18:34	Pons	oh
07:18:35	Pons	ok
07:18:43	Pons	i can live with it tho
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07:22:50	Pons	what formats does rockbox play?
07:22:58	RaiderX	a lot
07:23:00	RaiderX	mp3
07:23:01	RaiderX	wav
07:23:02	RaiderX	ogg
07:23:08	Pons	flac
07:23:11	RaiderX	theres a page that shwo ti
07:23:18	RaiderX	on the site
07:23:36	sharpe	mp3, ogg, musepack, flac, ac, alac, ac3, wavpack.
07:24:18	amiconn	shorten, aiff
07:24:40	sharpe	midi, sid...
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07:39:21	Pons	where can I get
07:39:27	Pons	rockboy?
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07:42:18	Bg3r	Pons it's already in the rockbox
07:42:25	Pons	where?
07:42:32	Pons	how can i be sure it is there?
07:42:37	Bg3r	but u need to save all your gameboy games
07:42:44	Bg3r	as .gb and .gbc
07:43:27	RaiderX	where is rockboy?
07:44:05	Bg3r	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy
07:45:31	Bg3r	Pons it's a rockbox plugin, but you don't see it in the plugins screen because it's a "viewer", that is, u run it with selecting a .gb or .gbc file from the filetree
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07:49:57	RaiderX	ok bg3r, thanks, thats good info
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07:53:21	Pons	since ipods have only 5 keys
07:53:26	Pons	it is impossible to play :(
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07:56:54	RaiderX	i figured it wodul be
07:57:02	RaiderX	but iif you can play doom, maybe
07:57:23	RaiderX	and theres some gb games that need few buttons, liek runnign pacman on the NES on the ipod
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08:00:55	*	amiconn summons Bagder, LinusN or Zagor
08:01:22	sharpe	ah, but not sharpe. oh well, maybe someday.
08:05:44	*	scorche is empathetic
08:06:02	sharpe	for once.
08:06:57	scorche	only because i feel the same way >_>
08:07:07	sharpe	:D
08:08:40	*	scorche saw his dutch friends recently =D
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08:09:54	*	sharpe doesn't have dutch friends
08:10:11	scorche	s/dutch/
08:10:29	*	sharpe does have friends though.
08:11:31	scorche	the chicks there are hot...but it seems like everyone has pointy noses =\|
08:11:53	scorche	well at least the ones that i know from there..
08:13:06	*	sharpe is tired for once. three hours before usual.
08:16:11	Pons	doom runs
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08:16:15	Pons	pacman runs
08:16:20	Pons	anyway
08:16:25	scorche	sharpe walks
08:16:26	Pons	rockbox is just cool ;)
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08:17:00	Pons	Bagder, Bagder Bagder Bagder .. Mushroom Mushroom
08:17:13	Pons	it's easy to say Bagder in here
08:17:18	Pons	just B and TAB
08:17:19	Pons	lol
08:18:29	*	amiconn wonders whether Pons saw the tiny difference between this nick and a Badger
08:18:48	Pons	lol
08:18:54	Pons	i just noticed it
08:21:38	RaiderX	Bagder Bagder Bagder BloodySorcerer
08:21:44	RaiderX	oops lol
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08:24:31	amiconn	hi LinusN :)
08:24:35	sharpe	twenty four minutes
08:24:36	LinusN	hey
08:24:46	amiconn	Hanging build since y'day evening... :(
08:25:30	LinusN	how nice
08:26:04	LinusN	fixed
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08:33:13	*	amiconn wonders whether he's the only one who thinks there's sometimes a distinct lack of reachable server admins
08:33:46	*	sharpe is always reachable.
08:33:58	amiconn	I mean, if the builds would never hang, or there would be some supervising process that auto-fixes hanging builds...
08:34:39	LinusN	i don't know why the builds have started hanging
08:36:27	amiconn	Builds hung occasionally since the introduction of the distributed build system
08:37:32	LinusN	yes, but i thought we fixed those issues
08:37:34	amiconn	Iirc it was tracked down to be an ssh problem
08:38:20	LinusN	figures
08:38:43	amiconn	ssh will sometimes hang without notice and without running into a timeout
08:39:31	amiconn	I think it would be possible to have some kind of supervisor on the master server started together with the build
08:39:56	amiconn	If the build didn't end after, say, 15 or 20 minutes, then it would cancel the build and restart
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08:40:25	amiconn	Basically the same thing you had to do manually now
08:40:43	Paul_The_Nerd	Especially since no build should reasonably take 15 minutes these days.
08:41:09	sharpe	Paul_The_Nerd: what about unreasonable builds?
08:41:11	sharpe	:)
08:41:31	Paul_The_Nerd	Unreasonable builds deserve beatings until they get into line.
08:42:04	LinusN	amiconn: sounds like a good idea
08:42:40	sharpe	i see your point.
08:43:44	amiconn	This would be the quick'n'dirty variant, but also quite simple. A more complex variant would monitor the individual build processes, and if one build server doesn't yield a scheduled build after a set time, would drop that build server for this round and reschedule the remaining builds to others
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08:47:32	amiconn	Can you see which build server connection(s) cause a hang?
08:47:49	LinusN	no, i dug around in the logs but i couldn't find it
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09:00:32	Gnelik	What help do you need with working around Sandisk
09:00:33	Gnelik	?
09:06:22	LinusN	we need you to conjure up a spell to make a day last 48 hours instead of 24 :-)
09:06:42	LinusN	Gnelik: seriously, are you a programmer?
09:07:11	Gnelik	yep
09:07:15	Gnelik	But .NET
09:07:36	Gnelik	Programed C++, not very hart to learn �
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09:08:36	LinusN	the first experiment we need to do is to alter a sandisk firmware ever so slightly, create a new mi4 file and flash it on the player, just to see if our tools work
09:10:54	Gnelik	Do you now allready what it consists of?\
09:11:19	LinusN	consists of?
09:11:27	LinusN	you mean the hardware?
09:11:41	Gnelik	Firmware
09:11:53	LinusN	http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
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09:12:57	Gnelik	My english is not very good I am Ukrainian
09:13:17	LinusN	we can decode and encode the sansa mi4 format, but we haven't yet tried to flash our own firmware on the sansa
09:13:46	Gnelik	Now i understand.
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09:14:14	Jungti1234	LinusN
09:14:24	LinusN	yes?
09:14:44	Jungti1234	http://www.ihuf.net/board/view.php?id=news&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=9
09:14:52	finik	guys, can somebody send me a zip or explain me how the hell do I download the ipodlinux sources for my reference
09:15:09	finik	without installing SVN :)
09:15:26	LinusN	Jungti1234: yes, that is a list of korean twiki users
09:15:29	Jungti1234	but
09:15:38	finik	I'm interested mostly in drivers part, serial to be exact
09:15:47	Jungti1234	Don't exist.
09:16:35	Jungti1234	you see it?
09:16:53	LinusN	many of them have been deleted, yes
09:16:56	LinusN	by me
09:16:57	Jungti1234	....
09:17:11	LinusN	because they haven't changed anything in the wiki
09:17:28	Jungti1234	But, they are active.
09:17:36	LinusN	no they are not
09:17:46	LinusN	that haven't changed a single page in the wiki
09:17:50	LinusN	they
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09:18:08	Jungti1234	hmm
09:18:14	LinusN	you don't register in the wiki unless you intend to change something
09:18:24	LinusN	it's not a forum or community
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09:20:17	LinusN	there is no reason to register in the wiki unless you want to change anything in it
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09:20:42	Jungti1234	ok :)
09:21:01	Jungti1234	Asked because is just strange.
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09:26:19	Gnelik	LinusN: Can this operation kill player?
09:26:47	LinusN	possibly
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09:27:00	LinusN	but there seems to be a recovery procedure
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09:29:09	Gnelik	Can you take parts of old source(from other players), or it must be rewrited fully?
09:30:55	markun	Gnelik: a lot of the code is shared and doesn't need to be rewriten
09:31:36	markun	You can download the source code and take a look
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09:32:37	LinusN	Gnelik: for the first test, you should use the original firmware, and just change a tiny bit
09:33:21	Jungti1234	hi markun
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09:38:16	markun	hi
09:40:48	Gnelik	who writes Players emulators?
09:42:49	LinusN	we all do
09:42:52	Jungti1234	hehe..
09:42:53	LinusN	simulators
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09:47:55	linuxstb_	finik: Last time I looked, the ipodlinux kernel source was still in CVS at sourceforge (ipodlinux project), not in SVN.
09:50:00	Gnelik	does MI4 configurator tells you something?
09:51:06	LinusN	Gnelik: what is that?
09:51:39	*	LinusN hasn't worked at all with the sansa
09:52:02	Gnelik	http://www.moeller.net/en/industry/automation/hm_inter/mi4_configurator.jsp
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09:53:01	LinusN	Gnelik: :-) that is a completely different thing
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09:53:42	LinusN	in our world, mi4 is the file format for portalplayer devices
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10:36:49	Jungti1234	markun~~~~?
10:37:07	markun	what?
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11:33:06	Jungti1234	E10 Firmware get!!
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11:33:53	Jungti1234	markun?
11:37:54	Jungti1234	when does unicode support in quick screen and recording screen?
11:37:55	Jungti1234	Is it developing?
11:38:16	markun	I don't think anyone is working on it
11:39:14	linuxstb	"unicode support" means using the user font instead of the system font?
11:39:36	markun	yes
11:39:47	LinusN	i believe there is some work going on for the recording screen
11:39:54	Jungti1234	hehe
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11:41:16	markun	LinusN: will you also apply the other patches used to increase run time on the X5? http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10318
11:42:00	LinusN	markun: the lcd_off patch?
11:42:31	markun	yes (USBOTG off is already in cvs?)
11:42:48	LinusN	the otg patch was committed even before the unfreeze
11:43:43	linuxstb	Wow, album art costs 51 minutes of playback....
11:44:29	Jungti1234	51 miniutes?
11:44:54	linuxstb	See the first post in the iaudiophile.net thread markun linked to.
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11:45:46	safetydan	Is there any chances we'll see support for floating point math in Rockbox? Just in the plugins at least.
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11:46:13	Jungti1234	13h27
11:47:02	LinusN	safetydan: if you port a math library to all current platforms, sure
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11:48:00	safetydan	hrmm... so there's nothing inherently stopping the use of floating point in plugins?
11:48:18	linuxstb	safetydan: I know preglow is always talking about writing a fixed-point lib for Rockbox...
11:49:19	midkay	can't you already use floats?
11:50:08	linuxstb	Yes, but there are no libm functions available - pow, exp, log, sin, cos etc etc.
11:50:27	midkay	ah.
11:50:39	safetydan	well there's the Palm Pilot math lib... that was GPL last I looked
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11:51:44	LinusN	safetydan: no, there's nothing stopping floating point math in the plugins, except for the math lib and that we look down on lazy coders that claim they need floating point
11:51:47	LinusN	:-)
11:52:00	safetydan	hah
11:52:15	safetydan	After my efforts in cordic land I'm not sure I want to go back to fixed point
11:52:43	LinusN	doesn't newlib have math libs for our platforms?
11:53:25	safetydan	well it has math functions
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12:18:46	Jungti1234	you want U10 firmware too?
12:18:49	Jungti1234	hehe
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12:52:02	obo	does anyone know what ata_disk_is_active() returns on flash-based devices?
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12:54:55	linuxstb	Use the source Luke...
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12:57:12	LinusN	obo: it returns 0
12:57:39	obo	thanks, just found it
12:57:49	LinusN	obo: which platform?
12:57:57	obo	all
12:58:08	linuxstb	Why doesn't it always return true?
12:58:40	LinusN	obo: "all"?
12:59:11	LinusN	ata_flash.c is used by the iriver flash devices
12:59:26	LinusN	if you mean ondio, you should look in ata_mmc.c
12:59:30	obo	LinusN: audioscrobbler patch I've written - I cache data before writing - I don't want to cause uneeded writes to devices with flash memory
12:59:59	obo	but I check if the disk is active so I can try and catch a spinning drive so I don't cause extra spin-ups
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13:00:36	LinusN	on the ondio, ata_disk_is_active returns 1 during a disk access
13:01:32	obo	hmm, I think i'll have to check for ondios then
13:01:54	obo	nanos use ata.c don't they? (which always returns false)
13:02:05	amiconn	Yes, and that's a bug
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13:09:37	qwm	Jungti1234: i want U10 firmware!
13:12:22	pondlife	Hi all.
13:13:26	pondlife	Is the memory layout (i.e. where blocks are stolen from the audiobuf) documented anywhere. Looks like my crash is caused by the filename talk clip buffer and the dircache buffers attempting to use the same memory.
13:14:17	pondlife	I see that the talk file uses memory at the start of audiobuf, and the .talk clips (thumbnails) use the next bit.
13:14:32	pondlife	But where do the dir/tagcaches fit in?
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13:15:00	safetydan	Woo! libm for plugins works... I think
13:15:08	pondlife	Certainly, if you don't have a voice file loaded (for whatever reason), the thumbnail clip loads into the dircache memory... :(
13:15:25	pondlife	Followed by a crash next time the tree is navigated
13:16:01	pondlife	Weirdly, it seems ok if the voice file has been loaded, maybe that's just luck where things have shifted up?
13:16:09	Slasheri	pondlife: dircache should also allocate memory from the audiobuffer
13:16:25	Slasheri	pondlife: and after allocation, audiobuffer pointer will be increased
13:16:34	pondlife	OK, but not p_thumbnail?
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13:16:43	Slasheri	i am not sure about that
13:16:44	BockBilbo	hello
13:16:46	BockBilbo	!
13:16:51	Slasheri	hi
13:16:59	pondlife	Nope, p_thumbnail is only set up once
13:17:24	Slasheri	pondlife: will it be set before dircache allocates memory?
13:17:29	Slasheri	then that could cause problems
13:17:39	pondlife	Yes, I suspect so... just looking now
13:17:40	linuxstb	Looking in talk.c, it does't seem that audiobuf is incremented...
13:18:02	pondlife	Ah, should it shift audiobuf up when it "allocates"?
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13:18:34	linuxstb	On hwcodec, no - I think the clips are only stored temporarily, and then discarded. But I thought they were stored permanently on swcodec?
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13:18:48	Slasheri	pondlife: yes, the pointer will be updated (so the allocated memory is no longer included in the audiobuffer)
13:18:55	pondlife	I'm referring to the thumbnail clips, not the voice file
13:19:13	amiconn	linuxstb: For nano, ata_disk_is_active() should either return the real status, like it does on Ondio. If that's not possible, it should rather return always true instead of always false
13:19:25	amiconn	Also, the ata_sleep() issue isn't solved
13:19:27	pondlife	This bug only occurs if voice file is not in use.
13:19:36	amiconn	Maybe this will improve battery runtime on nano
13:20:09	linuxstb	amiconn: I was wondering why it always returned false... I think there are also issues of settings not being saved on the Nano - probably related to that?
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13:23:24	Gnelik	What is the size of Sandisk e20 screen in pixels???
13:23:31	Gnelik	sorry e200
13:25:17	LinusN	128x160 i believe
13:25:33	Genre9mp3	I thought it was 220x176
13:25:46	Genre9mp3	I mean 176x220
13:25:49	LinusN	hmmm
13:27:21	Genre9mp3	haha >> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1960965,00.asp
13:27:29	Genre9mp3	"Screen Size: 220 x 176 inches"
13:27:39	Gnelik	Cool
13:27:42	Genre9mp3	it must be a huge screen! :)
13:27:43	Gnelik	I want it
13:28:03	Genre9mp3	220 x 176 _inches_ LOL
13:28:22	pondlife	Yes, but at 1DPI
13:28:32	Genre9mp3	:)
13:28:33	pondlife	Big pixels
13:28:38	obo	that's okay, you just need to stand a long way back
13:28:51	LinusN	and have big pockets
13:29:31	dan_a	There's going to be a huge market for trolleys to carry those around with!
13:29:38	*	linuxstb imagines the size of the headphones to go with that...
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13:44:57	linuxstb	theli_ua: Are you planning to do anything more to your ZX Spectrum emulator in the near future?
13:45:43	theli_ua	linuxstb, no just have not much time now :(
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13:48:54	theli_ua	linuxstb, i remember you wanted to make it run at 100% ;)
13:49:35	linuxstb	Well, I want someone to do that...
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13:50:24	linuxstb	I think there are other Rockbox things I want to do before that though.
13:51:04	theli_ua	yeah, of course
13:52:02	linuxstb	And I'm not sure if it's a good idea to put it in CVS in its current state if no-one is going to be actively working on it.
13:55:29	dalong	hi all
13:55:33	dalong	yesterday i shut down PC when ipod was plug in USB.
13:55:34	dalong	yesterday i shut down PC when ipod was plug in USB.
13:55:38	dalong	today i turn on PC and ipod was not defined as disk
13:55:42	dalong	then i attepmted to turn on ipod but it does not turn on.
13:55:46	dalong	what's the possible problem?
13:56:33	linuxstb	The battery could be dead.
13:56:56	dalong	how i can check this?
13:57:14	linuxstb	Just charge it for a while and see if it comes back to life.
13:57:30	linuxstb	Also try resetting your ipod - hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds.
13:57:49	dalong	it does not respond
13:57:59	dalong	on menu+select
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13:58:18	linuxstb	Then try charging. (and make sure the hold switch is off...)
13:58:28	dalong	and i don't see charging now (ipod in usb)
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13:58:40	dalong	hold is off
13:58:47	pondlife	OK, I've got a fix for my .talk file crash, but it might be restrictive...
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13:58:56	pondlife	1) The buffer is now allocated permanently from the start of the audio buffer, but only when first required (so .talk and voice file buffers are independent).
13:59:06	pondlife	2) It's now got a fixed max size of 32K (My own .talk clip selection goes up to 16K, so I thought this would be enough).
13:59:07	dalong	may be problem with my usb
13:59:17	linuxstb	Are you using a hub?
13:59:32	dalong	usb hub?
13:59:43	linuxstb	yes
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14:00:41	dalong	yes, universal host controller VIA USB
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14:01:07	linuxstb	Has your ipod charged OK in the past from the same USB socket?
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14:01:44	dalong	certainly
14:02:13	linuxstb	dan_a: I've just tried applying your adjustable CPU frequency patch and I get a "malformed patch at line 103" error.
14:02:16	dalong	yesterday before shut down, i copy some files from ipod
14:02:29	linuxstb	dalong: Have you tried just leaving it plugged in for a while?
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14:03:10	linuxstb	dan_a: Also, any ill effects so far running it at 90MHz?
14:03:37	dalong	it plugged in about 1 hour now
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14:04:34	dan_a	linuxstb: None that I've noticed (no unexplained crashes and the like)
14:04:40	jakub-	hello, im looking for xobox for windows
14:04:43	dalong	is it safe to shut down or turn on PC when ipod in USB?
14:04:52	jakub-	anyon know real name of this game?
14:05:04	linuxstb	dan_a: Have you noticed your ipod getting warmer than usual?
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14:11:50	pondlife	How big is the audio buffer on the Archos player?
14:11:55	pondlife	Roughly
14:11:56	dalong	jakub-:try to find xonix or qix games
14:12:17	pondlife	(or Ondio, or whatever has the least memory)
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14:16:14	linuxstb	pondlife: About 1.7MB I think - there is 2MB of RAM in total on the Archos devices.
14:17:03	pondlife	linuxstb: So 32K would be ok to use for .talk clips (if they are used)
14:17:06	jakub-	dalong: thx
14:17:46	linuxstb	pondlife: I don't think you should change the behaviour on the Archos devices - afaik, talk clips and voice are working perfectly there - I don't think dircache is enabled in those builds.
14:18:14	pondlife	But this is a bug in the .talk clip handling, not in dircache.
14:18:36	pondlife	It makes the assumption that audiobuf will not change
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14:19:02	theli_ua	linuxstb, what do think should be done for including in, considering state of patch on tracker? (i though of input rework...)
14:21:27	linuxstb	theli_ua: I haven't looked at it since you originally posted the patch, so can't remember... But from your comments, it seems that there is still a lot of work to do before it's usable - input rework and optimisations to get it at least closer to realtime.
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14:22:30	LinusN	pondlife: the archos platforms flush the audio buffer when playing voice, so the .talk problem is not an issue on those platforms
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14:23:50	pondlife	LinusN: No, the problem is not a clash between audio and .talk clip. It is that p_thumbnail is set up in talk.c to be at the start of audiobuf, but then something (presumably dircache) allocates memory and so talk.c overwrites that allocated memory
14:24:05	LinusN	ouch
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14:24:21	pondlife	So it either needs to be informed if audiobuf moves (urrgh)...
14:24:29	pondlife	or not make that assumption
14:24:31	LinusN	or init the talk last
14:25:05	LinusN	on the swcodec platforms, having a separate talk buffer is probably a good idea anyway
14:25:07	pondlife	talk_init is needed early on for some reason. But note that .talk != talk,
14:25:35	pondlife	They are currently allocated together. If no voice file is in use, then the problem occurs
14:26:00	LinusN	aha, so otherwise the talk files are loaded into the voice buffer?
14:26:09	pondlife	My guess is that most users of .talk clips will use voice files (e.g. blind people), so this hasn't been spotted
14:26:29	pondlife	No, the .talk files are always temporary - in the audio buffer
14:27:22	dan_a	linuxstb: I haven't noticed it getting warmer than usual, but then I'm not stressing it yet because I can't listen to much music on it
14:28:09	pondlife	It depends on the timing of the various allocations, but the basic problem seems to be p_thumbnail assumes that audiobuf doesn't move.
14:28:09	pondlife	By allocating a little buffer (and moving audiobuf up) when we first need it, this problem is avoided.
14:28:09	pondlife	i.e. no assumption is made
14:28:33	pondlife	p_thumbnail remains at null until it actually allocates, at which point audiobuf has been increased, so no contention for memory
14:28:49	pondlife	(unless this assumption is elsewhere in rockbox of course)
14:29:20	pondlife	Only downside is that .talk clips now have a max size.
14:30:00	pondlife	I could allocate the buffer dynamically maybe, but it would not be KISS compliant
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14:53:30	BockBilbo	hey again
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14:55:17	BockBilbo	is it true that the albumart plugin needs to have an image on the directory instead of getting the image from the mp3 tag itself?
14:55:42	linuxstb	Yes.
14:56:59	BockBilbo	:(
14:57:00	linuxstb	But there are applications which will go through all your music and extract the images for you.
14:57:00	BockBilbo	are them?
14:57:00	linuxstb	(just don't ask me what they are called...)
14:57:00	BockBilbo	i'll google them
14:57:00	DBUG	Enqueued KICK BockBilbo
14:57:00	BockBilbo	though, I wonder if it would be possible to get the image from the tag in rockbox
14:57:04	linuxstb	You may also need another application to resize them to the size your WPS expects them to be (75x75 or 100x100 are common) and convert to .bmp format.
14:57:47	BockBilbo	mmm interesting
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14:57:58	linuxstb	It's possible, but it's not the preferred approach. Images in tags are normally large JPEG files, so Rockbox would need to decode and resize them. It's much more efficient to do this once on the PC, rather than every time you play the track in Rockbox.
14:59:32	BockBilbo	and what if rockbox just gets the image of the first file of an album and keeps it in memory if the next played song is from the same album?
14:59:45	linuxstb	I think the album art patch does that.
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15:00:12	linuxstb	i.e. it uses one image for the whole folder, and doesn't keep reading the same image again.
15:00:19	BockBilbo	what programming language do you guys use? C?
15:00:26	linuxstb	Yes.
15:01:13	BockBilbo	i wish i could program in c... it's something i need to learn :( Im a java and web programmer
15:04:33	BockBilbo	linuxstb, i guess that having to decode and resize an image from a mp3 tag would use too much resources from the player, right?
15:07:07	goffa_	damn.. x5 patches were committed after i left for work
15:07:13	goffa_	guess i'll have to wait until 11 :)
15:08:26	LinusN	poor you
15:08:27	linuxstb	BockBilbo: "too much" is subjective. It certainly uses more than reading an uncompressed, pre-scaled .bmp file from the disk.
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15:08:58	goffa_	i'll _probably_ live
15:09:24	linuxstb	But for example, Apple's firmware doesn't read the album art from the tags - itunes stores copies of it on the ipod in an album art database.
15:09:44	BockBilbo	that's true
15:10:04	BockBilbo	are you guys planning on doing such thing?
15:10:44	linuxstb	No - a database seems overkill. Just storing the files on disk is much easier - and means you don't need any specialised software to do it.
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15:16:11	BockBilbo	that's true :)
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15:16:31	*	BockBilbo goes to have lunch, he'll be back in 15 minutes
15:17:21	goffa_	lol.. 7 am here
15:18:20	lou	3pm
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15:19:26	goffa_	i'm pretty much in zombie mode right now.. stayed up until like 12:30...
15:19:39	Hansmaulwurf	^
15:19:40	goffa_	they should put a cot in the office :)
15:21:24	obo	if any devs have any time spare I'd appreciate any feedback on some patches...
15:22:20	goffa_	what'd you do obo? (not a dev.. just nosey)
15:23:24	obo	FS 4899, 5111 and 5166 (aka headphone unplug, piezo driver and audioscrobbler)
15:24:17	goffa_	looks like nothing for me :)
15:24:33	goffa_	i don't own an ipod
15:24:44	Jungti1234	hey
15:24:44	Jungti1234	inits the M5636 USBOTG chip on the X5 to reduce the battery consumption.
15:24:48	Jungti1234	what is 'inits'?
15:24:58	goffa_	puts it to sleep
15:25:00	PaulJam	initialize i guess
15:25:03	Jungti1234	ah :)
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15:36:24	jhMikeS	How do you make the x5_fw.bin after building the bootloader? I tried renaming bootloader.bin but that won't flash. I can't seem to find much about this
15:39:16	jhMikeS	Hello? Anyone?
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15:40:38	LinusN	jhMikeS: you use the mkboot tool
15:41:13	Genre9mp3	Great news.... Samsung doubles the capacity of NAND flash and shrinks the size of the chips by 25%!
15:41:18	Genre9mp3	http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9001866&source=rss_news10
15:41:37	jhMikeS	I tried that but i don't think I'm doing it right or something. Hold on...
15:42:24	linuxstb	LinusN: Looking at mkboot.c in CVS, it doesn't seem to have any X5 specific code (only h1x0/h3x0)...
15:42:36	LinusN	hmmm
15:43:19	LinusN	ah, silly me
15:43:49	LinusN	x5 doesn't dual boot yet in cvs
15:44:20	jhMikeS	linuxstb: I looked there too. Are the tools to make it not even included?
15:44:24	LinusN	just scramble the bootloader.bin file
15:45:26	LinusN	scramble -iaudiox5 bootloader.bin x5_fw.bin
15:46:45	jhMikeS	scramble does what exactly? I suppose I could look myself but that would take time. :)
15:47:15	LinusN	it adds the iaudio header to the executable
15:47:29	LinusN	so the iaudio boot recognizes it
15:47:40	jhMikeS	LinusN: Ahh...had a feeling
15:47:54	Jungti1234	SID codec support now?
15:48:00	LinusN	yes
15:48:20	jhMikeS	SID? Isn't there a SID player for rockbox? Maybe I'm just nuts.
15:48:33	kerb	there is a patch IIRC
15:48:40	LinusN	it's in cvs now
15:49:00	jhMikeS	Does it sound like the real thing at all?
15:49:09	LinusN	oh yes
15:49:21	LinusN	it's pretty good for being that small
15:49:30	kerb	only nitpickers find differences
15:49:43	LinusN	it can only handle simple tunes, no sampling and stuff
15:49:49	jhMikeS	It plays .SID files I take it?
15:49:52	LinusN	yes
15:50:05	kerb	kvakk
15:50:20	jhMikeS	It's something you have to add to SOURCES, eh?
15:51:54	LinusN	it's already included in rockbox
15:52:18	LinusN	no need to do anything
15:52:40	Jungti1234	what is 'fix the remote support for the colour picker'? remote support colour picker??
15:53:39	*	BockBilbo is back
15:54:00	LinusN	Jungti1234: you can set the colors with the remote control
15:54:47	jhMikeS	LinusN: I think that worked. Thanks.
15:54:49	Jungti1234	but
15:55:02	Jungti1234	remote control haven't color.
15:55:05	Jungti1234	only one color..
15:55:23	XavierGr	Linus: any plans on a new H300 bootloader?
15:55:37	LinusN	Jungti1234: true, but now you can change the color settings using the remote control
15:55:41	LinusN	XavierGr: yes
15:55:45	XavierGr	nice :D
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15:56:04	LinusN	working on charging and rtc alarm
15:56:08	XavierGr	are you aware of the USB bootloader mode error on some H300s?
15:56:14	LinusN	oh, yes i am
15:56:21	Jungti1234	I don't understand.. I will check now
15:56:29	XavierGr	nice news then ;p
15:56:30	Genre9mp3	LinusN: rtc alarm?
15:56:51	Genre9mp3	LinusN: To be able to wake on schedule?
15:56:56	LinusN	yes
15:57:14	Genre9mp3	great news indeed! :)
15:57:44	Jungti1234	WOW
15:57:47	Jungti1234	Great!!
15:58:32	*	linuxstb recalls that the ipods have a very similar rtc (and Linus now owns an ipod...)
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16:03:52	BockBilbo	anyone knows if julius' themes (like jBlackGlass or Green5g) work on other build than his experimental build?
16:04:22	Jungti1234	linuxstb: hehehe..
16:04:22	*	Genre9mp3 curses linuxstb for that!
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16:05:12	*	linuxstb heads for ebay with his new belongings
16:05:43	Genre9mp3	haha..
16:05:58	*	LinusN has 14 players :-)
16:06:14	linuxstb	"has" ?
16:06:15	lou	you win a prize
16:06:21	LinusN	linuxstb: :-)
16:06:25	linuxstb	s/has/had/ :)
16:06:42	*	Genre9mp3 buys the H300 from ebay ang give it back to LinusN :P
16:06:47	amiconn	LinusN: Does that include broken one(s)?
16:07:10	LinusN	amiconn: yes, it includes a broken Archos Player (you know which) :-)
16:07:15	amiconn	hmpf
16:07:21	amiconn	I didn't break it
16:07:24	LinusN	i know
16:08:32	Lynx_	LinusN: so, you stand in front of your player cabinet every morning and don't know which one to take?
16:08:57	XavierGr	that's a good question.
16:09:07	XavierGr	Linus: Which one is your favorite DAP?
16:09:13	LinusN	haha, i only use one for my daily use
16:09:22	LinusN	guess which?
16:09:27	XavierGr	H100 or H300?
16:09:29	Lynx_	the archos?
16:09:37	XavierGr	no the archos is for amiconn
16:09:53	XavierGr	or...?
16:09:56	LinusN	my trusty old H140
16:09:59	XavierGr	nice :D
16:09:59	Jungti1234	haha..
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16:15:22	*	amiconn cycles through most of his devices for daily use, but prefers the archoses
16:15:44	linuxstb	Is that because you use voice a lot?
16:16:00	LinusN	no, he likes the exercise :-)
16:16:10	linuxstb	hehe...
16:16:45	*	linuxstb still prefers his h140 to the ipods for music, but likes games on the 5g's screen...
16:16:49	Genre9mp3	amiconn: Which one of the archoses you prefer most?
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16:19:36	BockBilbo	linuxstb, the programs you told me before that can extract images from mp3 tags are for win or linux?
16:23:03	linuxstb	I've just read people talking about windows applications. But I'm sure it's possible in Linux (or running those windows apps in Wine).
16:23:33	linuxstb	I think there's a long thread in the H300 Rockbox forum on misticriver.net talking about album art. You may get some pointers there (if no-one here can help...)
16:23:50	BockBilbo	thanks linuxstb
16:24:29	amiconn	Genre9mp3: No special one, it depends on the situation. Recorder, player or Ondio FM
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16:43:47	XavierGr	do we need different bidirectional setting for the remote?
16:44:06	XavierGr	I just discovered that bidir setting will not work on the remote
16:44:42	XavierGr	I suppose that I introduced when I split the scroll settings.
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16:47:03	nls	bluebrother, around?
16:47:10	bluebrother	nls: yes.
16:47:52	nls	I was looking at the recording section in the main menu chapter and was thinking of breaking it out to its own file
16:47:53	BockBilbo	Im leaving, bye!
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16:48:18	bluebrother	why not ... I think some chapters could be split up even more.
16:48:43	bluebrother	E.g. I thought it may be good to split the installation from the "Getting started" section.
16:49:07	nls	ok I will do it (the recording stuff) when I check in some other changes...
16:51:00	bluebrother	I think we should consider breaking up the manual more based on functions, not on menus.
16:51:20	nls	an example ?
16:51:37	bluebrother	and introduce some section that shortly introduces the menu, referring to the functional descriptions.
16:52:09	bluebrother	like the recording ... currently it's in the "main menu", but recording isn't part of the menu −− it's just reachable through the main menu.
16:52:47	nls	But if it's in its own file it will be easy to move :)
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16:53:44	bluebrother	or take the bookmarking. It's in "configuring rockbox". Seems a bit strange to me
16:54:47	bluebrother	yes, some source files are still kinda crowded.
16:55:51	bluebrother	for bookmarking, I guess we also need a better description. Currently we mostly describe the settings itself but barely how to use it.
16:57:18	nls	heh yeah there are so many things that can be improved
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16:58:09	bluebrother	I hope we can get some boost on this when summer is over ... seems a lot being on holidays now.
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16:59:13	nls	yeah and new features are added all the time but not documented anywhere... like playlist catalogue, I have no idea what that does...
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16:59:38	bluebrother	Also, I'll be pretty busy with RL the next weeks ... now as generating html works.
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17:00:16	bluebrother	it maintains some kind of most used playlists, but that's mostly all I know.
17:00:40	bluebrother	the feature freeze was nice by means of no new features waiting to be added to the manual ;-)
17:01:00	nls	indeed
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17:01:51	nls	ok gtg back tomorrow maybe...
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17:02:00	bluebrother	cu
17:02:18	bluebrother	gtg too.
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17:49:41	Hansmaulwurf	well, the page works for me
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17:49:51	Gnelik	now
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17:54:30	Mmmm	thank god...I can come out of the sun again...its HOT out there! :D
17:55:04	jhMikeS	Just put in a CVS build for x5. A recording screen is coming up by itself and I can't do anything except shut it off.
17:55:12	jhMikeS	WTF?
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18:00:07	jhMikeS	Why is "Show recording screen on startup" enabled by default?
18:00:33	sharpe	jhMikeS: for... people... who want to record... without going through the menus...?
18:01:14	pondlife	Anyone fancy looking at patch #5690? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5690 . Fixes a crash where .talk clips are loaded over the top of the dircache data.
18:01:54		Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
18:02:38	CYPER^	Hello everybody :)
18:02:44	CYPER^	I have one more question
18:02:47	jhMikeS	sharpe: I don't want to record by default! It shouldn't just start recording on its own the minute you start it esp. for first timers. It looks like malfunctioning.
18:02:49	CYPER^	I bought that remote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170004666787
18:03:04	sharpe	jhMikeS: tis probably is malfunctioning then.
18:03:08	CYPER^	the problem is it's not working with Rockbox, while it is working with the original firmware
18:03:11	CYPER^	any ideas why
18:03:17	CYPER^	I didn't expect it ot be that way
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18:04:06	sharpe	CYPER^: rockbox doesn't support any ipod periprials.
18:04:23	Mmmm	jhMikeS: try resetting settings and then restarting. Is it default now? if not it is just the changeover from no recording to recording mucking around with the settings a bit
18:04:26	CYPER^	:( :( :(
18:04:28	jhMikeS	sharpe: Hope they change that default.
18:04:35	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Will do.
18:04:43	Gnelik	Is there any VS 2005 plugin to work with C
18:04:50	CYPER^	sharpe, any future plans for supporting them?
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18:05:02	nudelyn	VS 2005 works with C out of the box
18:05:11	sharpe	CYPER^: not until we understand the protocol used by them, not really.
18:05:17	Jungti1234	Have a nice weekend, guys!
18:05:18	Jungti1234	bye
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18:05:28	sharpe	i'm sure eventually, but not too soon it would seem.
18:05:32	CYPER^	sharpe thanks :)
18:05:38	sharpe	welcome.
18:05:54	CYPER^	also 2 more questions :)
18:06:07	CYPER^	1 - why when listeging to mp3 files they tend to skip
18:06:23	CYPER^	like the proc can't handle everything
18:06:40	sharpe	are you using the EQ, and/or have peakmeters in your wps?
18:06:53	sharpe	or, playing games while listening to music.
18:07:01	CYPER^	hm, not EQ, but the peakmeters could be the problems
18:07:11	CYPER^	but here is a real situation
18:07:12	sharpe	yes, you're probably better off removing them.
18:07:26	CYPER^	iPod Video, Skin Rockamp_Classic (like wnimap)
18:07:28	jhMikeS	Yeah it cleared up. Wierd.
18:07:29	CYPER^	winamp
18:07:34	CYPER^	and it skips
18:07:47	CYPER^	no EQ or peakmeters
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18:08:37	sharpe	hmm...
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18:08:57	CYPER^	I'll try again today, after it charges
18:09:14	CYPER^	2nd question: why scrolling is so slow, not like with the original firmware
18:09:24	Mmmm	jhMikeS: that's because a non existent setting came into existence without anything telling it what to do and it just decided to be on! :D
18:09:32	CYPER^	If I have 3000 titles on one screen I can expect 10 minutes scrolling
18:09:49	sharpe	CYPER^: there is a scroll acceleration patch on the tracker...
18:10:14	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Mmmm Hmmm. Just like the universe!
18:10:22	Mmmm	:D
18:10:23	CYPER^	sharpe, may I have a link please :)
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18:11:19	sharpe	CYPER^: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594
18:12:50	CYPER^	thank you very much :)
18:13:15	sharpe	welcome
18:13:33	CYPER^	ouh one more q :D
18:13:53	jhMikeS	I hope the CVS tree doesn't get way ahead of now that the feature freeze has thawed. I'm rewriting the whole x5 display and it's takin' some time but I got some good framerate increases.
18:13:58	CYPER^	how can I completely reinstall rockbox, cause I've made some changes, some of them good, some not
18:14:00	jhMikeS	Already had file conflicts.
18:14:41	sharpe	CYPER^: you mean, bootloader and everything, or just the firmware?
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18:15:59	CYPER^	sharpe, just the firmware and settings :)
18:16:10	CYPER^	delete themes I put later
18:16:14	CYPER^	fonts
18:16:23	CYPER^	refresh it :D
18:16:33	CYPER^	like you reinstall Windows :)
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18:16:47	CYPER^	I guess I can just delete the .rockbox folder
18:16:51	CYPER^	and put it again?
18:16:52	CYPER^	right?
18:16:52	sharpe	well if you want to reset the settings, just turn hold on before rockbox boots; and if you want to remove everything and not have things left over from the last rockbox build, just delete rockbox.ipod and /.rockbox/
18:17:12	CYPER^	yeah - I was right :)
18:17:15	CYPER^	thank you again :)
18:17:15	sharpe	then you could extract a new build
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18:17:22	sharpe	you're welcome.
18:17:28	CYPER^	why is there a new build every day
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18:17:33	CYPER^	what's the point
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18:18:01	sharpe	because they're being constantly improved and such.
18:18:25	sharpe	hence the multiple cvs commits every day.
18:19:59	A_M	I'm coding something where I need to no tag info for a specific file that I know is in the tagcache. Would it be possible to, given this file, retrieve the tag info from the tagcache? And would it be faster or slower than reading it from the actual file?
18:20:23	A_M	*no = know :S
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18:21:46	sharpe	A_M: is it a plugin?
18:22:01	A_M	nope
18:22:04	sharpe	ooh.
18:22:26	BloodySorcerer	whee, my ISP is in its death throes from the looks of things!
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18:22:35	jhMikeS	Where's that sid player I've heard about? It's supposed to be included now.
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18:22:50	BloodySorcerer	whee!
18:23:27	A_M	sharpe: "ooh." as in you would've known if it were a plugin we were talking about? if so I'm still interested ;)
18:24:02	sharpe	i was just thinking, i don't recall there being any function in the plugin api for dealing with the tagcache.
18:24:15	A_M	ah, ok
18:25:50	sharpe	i'm just giving you my best guess, but you may be able to find it using tagcache_search()...
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18:26:27	linuxstb	amiconn: Would you be able to test my latest change to scramble.c on your mini? It should allow you to create a working firmware partition containing the Rockbox bootloader without the need for ipod_fw and the dummy image.
18:26:58	sharpe	which, i don't see why you couldn't use that function.
18:27:10	A_M	yeah, I was thinking something along those lines... there's a "filename" tag that is searchable - anyone know if it includes full path or if it's just the file name?
18:27:17	linuxstb	It _should_ also allow you to just write rockbox.bin to the firmware partition directly (without the bootloader). But I tried it on my ipod Color, and Rockbox crashes after displaying the logo...
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18:27:30	lostlogic	hmm... that won't be something that nano or 5g users would want, my guess... USB is slower in emergency disk mode thanin the real firmware on 5g and nano.
18:27:42	lostlogic	(I noticed that it's not expected to work on 5g/nano any way)
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18:29:13	linuxstb	It _should_ work on the Nano. There's just one field in the header I'm not sure of, and took the value in my original firmware partition for my Photo.
18:29:25	lostlogic	ah
18:29:37	linuxstb	But as a 5g user, I never use the Apple firmware.
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18:30:02	dionoea_work	linuxstb: ?
18:30:06	sharpe	A_M: seems to be the full path.
18:30:43	A_M	oh goody :)
18:30:43	linuxstb	dionoea_work: I just wanted to moan about rockpaint's use of a custom menu and custom colour-picker instead of using the standard Rockbox ones :)
18:31:45	dionoea_work	linuxstb: the color picker can use the core one if i add HSV to it ... but it didn't look like this was a feature needed by the core color picker
18:31:50	lostlogic	linuxstb: I use the apple firmware only when I'm doing a large music transfer, because 5-8 megs per second is a lot better than 1.
18:32:09	dionoea_work	and for the menus ... well i just fixed the old rockpaint menu code before noticing that there were corefunctions
18:32:48	dionoea_work	btw, do core menus take the whole screen ? or can i have menus in "windows" like current rockpaint ?
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18:33:39	linuxstb	At the moment, the core menus take the whole screen. But I'm sure that will change in the future - probably when viewports are introduced in the lcd drivers.
18:34:18	linuxstb	e.g. it would be nice if the context menus (at least) were "pop-up" menus that didn't occupy the full screen (on the larger LCDs of course).
18:34:21	dionoea_work	i'll wait for the viewports thing then :)
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18:46:00	linuxstb	dionoea: Personally I think you should (as well as use the core menus) - to maintain consistency in the UI. Even if they are not as pretty currently as the Rockpaint ones. I don't know what others think though...
18:46:35	linuxstb	freqmod: Does it work with gcc 4 on ipods yet?
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18:47:31	freqmod	yes but stereo is a little flaky, haven't got a way around the faulty sqrt function, and still does not work above 16kHz, which i think is a slow sample rate
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18:48:45	freqmod	tested it on a 4g iPod of a friend of mine, it works there to.
18:48:49	freqmod	*too
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18:55:54	carini	Are there any devs around that would be willing to check out a small patch to add support for generating remote keypresses in the sim? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4905
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19:16:55	godzirra	howdy folks.
19:17:21	godzirra	I have a few questions... I'm using an H120... I just upgraded my rockbox again today, but for some reason my wps file cuts off parts of the name of an id3 tag...
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19:18:13	chendo	missing patch
19:18:20	chendo	i had that problem, changed builds
19:18:25	godzirra	what do you mean?
19:18:28	godzirra	and how do I fix it? :)
19:18:37	godzirra	I just upgraded to the most recent build in an effort to fix it
19:18:41	godzirra	because my build was a few months old.
19:18:44	chendo	mmm
19:18:53	chendo	maybe they removed it for the H120
19:19:04	chendo	3:20am and i gotta go to sleep, later
19:19:11	godzirra	can you give me a direction to look then?
19:19:14	godzirra	thats all pretty cryptic.
19:19:25	chendo	uh
19:19:39	chendo	i'm not sure if there's any custom builds for the H120 so i can't help you there
19:19:46	chendo	but check the misticriver.net forums
19:19:49	chendo	might find something there
19:19:51	godzirra	for what?
19:20:06	chendo	your problem
19:21:06	godzirra	"missing text" or "missing part of title" doesnt seem to work well...
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19:23:50	BloodySorcerer	yay FM radio and recording on X5...
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19:26:08	godzirra	anyone know?
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19:45:55	dropandho	hey all!
19:45:59	dropandho	silly question here
19:46:12	dropandho	i know that there have been a handful of changes made to the tagcahe
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19:46:42	dropandho	is it me- or are none of these new features documented on the wiki or elsewhere?
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19:48:18	PaulJam	they are still under developement, i think it will be documented once it isn't changing often anymore
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19:50:49	dropandho	Paul- thanks...that makes sense
19:51:06	dropandho	I'm pretty excited about these changes...looks like some good progress!
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19:56:48	bernych	Hi, folks, I see that now the rockbox CVS for the iaudio x5 allow radio recording...
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19:56:58	bernych	...how do we do?
19:57:19	dumbkid	hey all
19:57:42	dumbkid	can i somehow get the current cvs repository in 1 archive file?
19:58:51	obo	dumbkid: look on the CVS builds page
19:58:55	bernych	sure: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2
19:58:56	PaulJam	you can download the source on the daily- or the cvs builds page
19:59:01	dumbkid	not the binary
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20:00:17	PaulJam	bernych: on h300 it works if you turn on the radio and then go to the recording screen and select line in as source. maybe it's the same on x5.
20:01:27	bernych	PaulJam: I tryied it but as soon as I enter in the recording screen the radio stops
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20:11:51	bernych	Now it works, I don't know why, but my recording.c was still at the previous version even after the cvs update! Fixed
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20:21:57	goffa_	hmmm...
20:22:08	goffa_	just updated rockbox on my x5
20:22:22	goffa_	when i turn it on, it immediately jumps into the recording screen
20:22:54	goffa_	there a new setting to get it to boot into playback? or is that a bug?
20:22:57	XavierGr	there is an option for it
20:23:18	XavierGr	I assume that your settings were confused
20:23:23	XavierGr	and this was set to on
20:23:34	XavierGr	go to recording screen and change the option
20:23:39	goffa_	yep
20:23:46	goffa_	that was it
20:23:47	goffa_	thanks
20:24:05	goffa_	that kicks ass that they got that working
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20:25:26	Paul_The_Nerd	goffa_: You may want to reload your settings from a file, or reset them. If your settings were suddenly different after installing a new build of Rockbox, it often means a change to the settings block with someone forgetting to increase the version number.
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20:28:51	linuxstb_	Yes, enabling recording for a new target will mean all the settings protected by #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING will suddenly come into use....
20:29:01	goffa_	yeah
20:29:10	goffa_	Well i changed that setting.. works fine now
20:29:14	goffa_	or appears to
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20:29:26	goffa_	i think just the fact that radio and recording were enabled triggered something
20:29:38	goffa_	afterall its new on the x5 :)
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20:31:38	goffa_	was a good day today :)
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20:32:07	goffa_	when my h140 comes in... i can listen to one player while drumming... and hear how terrible i sound with the x5 :)
20:34:00	Moos	hehe :)
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20:37:26	goffa_	next thing i'm hoping for is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5106 or http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3298.0
20:37:41	goffa_	wonder how far rubberglove has gotten with that
20:38:03	goffa_	i was thinking about that too
20:38:28	goffa_	if the default behavior was changed.. people who like it the way it is could just select track 1 and turn shuffle off
20:38:51	goffa_	and have the same effect without the destruction of the playlist
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20:39:59	goffa_	well.. that and battery optimization .. but i know they are actively working on the battery
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20:48:35	XavierGr	anyone with cvs access online?
20:48:48	XavierGr	I've got a small bugfix
20:49:37	linuxstb_	How small?
20:49:43	Moos	what is it for too?
20:49:56	XavierGr	10 lines
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20:50:04	XavierGr	bidirectional setting for the remote
20:50:09	XavierGr	it was left out last time
20:50:16	godzirra	I have a few questions... I'm using an H120... I just upgraded my rockbox again today, but for some reason my wps file cuts off parts of the name of an id3 tag. Anyone have any suggestions how to fix that?
20:50:27	XavierGr	currently it can't be set, it is always the default
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20:51:10	linuxstb_	godzirra: Which WPS? What version of Rockbox were you running previously?
20:52:02	godzirra	I'm using a custom.wps (I can paste it if need be) and I was running a version a few months old
20:52:07	godzirra	I upgraded because the old version did the saame thing
20:52:38	S0ap	is there anyway, godzirra, that you toggled the setting to prefer ID3v1 over ID3v2 tags?
20:52:53	S0ap	or does this problem only appear in this WPS?
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20:53:38	godzirra	Hmmm... that is possible s0ap... How do I check?
20:53:43	godzirra	I havent tried another wps.
20:53:44	goffa_	i've noticed something in the engineer2 wps.. not important to me.. but on my x5 and h140 the bitrate is shifted to the right
20:54:07	goffa_	about half way out of the box where its supposed to display
20:54:41	linuxstb_	XavierGr: Do you have a patch?
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20:54:56	S0ap	godzirra - try another WPS, and if the problem persists, we'll go from there.
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20:55:08	XavierGr	linuxstb: yes
20:55:16	XavierGr	dcc?
20:55:43	godzirra	it does not happen in another wps it doesnt look like
20:55:48	godzirra	goffa_: I have the same problem on my h120
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20:56:14	linuxstb_	XavierGr: OK - to linuxstb
20:56:16	gursikh	If A link on the wiki is 404, can I just remove the link?
20:56:24	godzirra	http://sial.org/pbot/18563 is my custom.wps
20:56:26	S0ap	Menu ->General Settings ->Playback->ID3 Tag Priority is where the setting is, godzirra
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20:57:14	godzirra	S0ap: yeah, its v2 then v1
20:57:19	godzirra	and engineer.wps seems to work
20:57:48	godzirra	But I'm unclear why my wps isnt working
20:58:31	Mmmm	jhMikeS: you there?
20:58:36	S0ap	poop, as I liked my theory.
20:58:41	godzirra	lol
20:59:04	dan_a	linuxstb: I've tested a few more codecs on the iPod 3G, but I can't edit the Wiki page.
20:59:35	linuxstb	dan_a: I have to ask you one question: "Are you a spammer planning to insert hidden links all over the wiki?"
20:59:48	XavierGr	linuxstb: sent on your sourceforge mail.
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21:00:05	godzirra	So any suggestions on how I can fix my wps?
21:00:19	linuxstb	XavierGr: Thanks - it went straight into my junk mail :)
21:00:20	dan_a	linuxstb: Do I need to be?
21:00:34	Mmmm	Anyone here got an IAudioX5 who knows how to patch?
21:00:41	gursikh	Can someone please give me write access to the wiki, I have just registered
21:01:20	linuxstb	dan_a: All new wiki accounts need to be "approved" by someone in IRC before the account can get write access - it's to help prevent spammers registering. It was a joke...
21:02:04	linuxstb	dan_a: But I've forgotten how to do it... Anyone?
21:02:16	gursikh	I see....., OK then. Back to my other question: If a link is 404, should I just remove the link, or make a note?
21:02:29	amiconn	Some page needs to be edited....
21:02:29	XavierGr	linuxstb: did you get it then?
21:02:36	amiconn	Should be in the logs somewhere
21:03:00	linuxstb	amiconn: Yes, I'm searching the logs now...
21:03:26	*	amiconn should update his irc logfile collection
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21:03:59	gursikh	Please let me know when I have write access :-)
21:04:10	dan_a	linuxstb: The dry humour in my reply didn't carry over IRC then!
21:04:52	linuxstb	dan_a: Sorry :) Try now?
21:05:26	jhMikeS	Mmmm: I'm here now.
21:05:42	Mmmm	you've got an IAudioX5 right?
21:05:49	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Si
21:06:06	Mmmm	and you know how to patch rockbox?
21:06:08	linuxstb	XavierGr: Yes, I got it.
21:06:21	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Yes
21:06:23	gursikh	also another issue: when Logging in, example- hit edit on some page, login prompt syas login..blah blah blah, hit cancel to register if you dont have a login: hit cancel and you get : blank page with this: ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration
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21:06:37	dan_a	linuxstb: That's working
21:06:50	Mmmm	jhMikeS: would you mind ding me a favour? A quick bit of testing?
21:06:59	dan_a	For codecs which are OK at low bitrates, is that a Yes or a No?
21:07:06	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Sure. Why not?
21:07:44	linuxstb	dan_a: You could try and add a note, but I'm not sure of the best way in a Twiki. AAC on normal ipods should also have a note to say it works at low bitrates (128kbps) only.
21:07:55	Mmmm	jhm:excellent, there is a patch here (very simple but I dont want to commit without testing): http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5389.msg41628#msg41628
21:08:02	linuxstb	XavierGr: Shouldn't the config block version be incremented as well?
21:08:20	jhMikeS	Mmmm: I hope it doesn't conflict with my changes. :D I'll use an unmodified source if you like.
21:08:45	Mmmm	jhMikeS: it only changes recording.c ... should be ok it think
21:09:00	Mmmm	s/ it/I
21:09:35	Mmmm	just check that the buttons do what I said they should do earlier on in the thread
21:09:59	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Ok...it's up in the tracker now, eh?
21:10:13	Mmmm	no, just on the forum
21:10:17	XavierGr	linuxstb: yes, indeed ;p
21:10:25	XavierGr	I completely forgot that!
21:10:46	jhMikeS	Mmmm: No wonder I was missing it, the type is tiny.
21:11:06	Mmmm	:D you've got it now though?
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21:12:42	gursikh	Who should I contact about my above "bug" report ?
21:12:46	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Yes...I'm using two computers at once here!
21:13:24	linuxstb	XavierGr: In fact, your patch doesn't add remote_bidir_limit to the settings struct (around line 366 of settings.c) - so the setting won't be saved (unless I'm missing something...)
21:13:37	XavierGr	let me check it
21:13:43	XavierGr	I did it very quickly
21:13:45	XavierGr	(damn)
21:14:07	linuxstb	Take your time and test and email it to me later.
21:14:41	godzirra	Sooo... anyone have any idea how to fix my WPS or why it isnt working?
21:15:02	gursikh	linuxstb_: Write access?
21:15:23	gursikh	prety please?
21:15:56	XavierGr	linuxstb: thanks for cheking it first
21:16:01	XavierGr	I am a complete idiot! :p
21:18:35	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Building now...
21:18:51	amiconn	Hmm. The table in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs isn't clear about whether a codec isn't realtime on a specific target, or whether it's just not tested yet
21:20:16	pixelma	godzirra: are you sure you're using the same font? since your wps uses spaces and not align tags for the 'layout' - or where is it cut?
21:21:50	Mmmm	jhMikeS: The suspense is killing me! ;)
21:22:40	dan_a	amiconn: there needs to be a nice "question mark" icon
21:23:10	amiconn	Either that, or the tested negative cases could be marked with %N%
21:23:41	dan_a	Does %N% work? If it does I'll mark the ones I know are negative
21:23:48	freqmod	When we are discussing the SoundCodecs pageC could someone with write access add info about speex (patch) to the first table. e.g. "Patch for rockbox exists in the bugtracker but it is slow because speex is still not fully converted to fixed point."
21:24:24	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Joystick: Check play: check, rec: check
21:24:51	Mmmm	and lon presses on play and rec?
21:25:09	jhMikeS	Mmmm: But...when I press power from the recording screen it aborted the record screen and went to the menu. It that right? What is "on hold"?
21:25:25	jhMikeS	yes, long presses
21:25:48	Mmmm	which menu? did it just go back a step?
21:26:03	Mmmm	not the same as long rec right?
21:26:34	jhMikeS	nothing happens with a long record press while recording. Yes back to the recording menu
21:27:08	jhMikeS	why not use the record button to record? or is that because the record button does menus throughout?
21:27:30	jhMikeS	Mmmm: long record, wait a minute.
21:27:48	Mmmm	short record should always start a new file
21:28:03	jhMikeS	long record brings up the menu with frequency, etc...
21:28:10	Mmmm	yep..
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21:28:32	Mmmm	press short record a few times, you should see the filename increment
21:28:40	jhMikeS	long record does nothing during recording
21:28:52	jhMikeS	yup
21:29:11	jhMikeS	reecording doesn't start, it just shows a new file
21:29:36	Mmmm	ok..while recording, going into settings is a no-no so that's good
21:29:43	Mmmm	it doesnt start at all?
21:30:09	jhMikeS	Mmmm: should it? short record just brings up a new file name.
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21:30:49	Mmmm	if you press it once it should start recording, press again it should continue recording but in a different file
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21:30:56	jhMikeS	short record while recording starts a new file and keeps recording
21:31:02	Mmmm	good
21:31:07	Mmmm	but...
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21:31:42	jhMikeS	if I'm not recording, rec brings up the frequency menu, or did I cover that?
21:31:53	Mmmm	that should be long rec
21:32:01	jhMikeS	It just happened
21:32:30	Mmmm	short rec?
21:32:50	jhMikeS	audio meters going, no recording press record short and...
21:33:04	Mmmm	yes.... :D
21:33:06	jhMikeS	ok...but it was very short.
21:33:34	Mmmm	really? hmmm some people have been having probs with short presses...
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21:34:03	jhMikeS	ok...when stopped: play brings up the main record menu and record brings up the record menu.
21:34:27	Mmmm	these are long presses right?
21:34:27	jhMikeS	BTW: does it delete the files if you never started actually recording anything and you switch file names?
21:34:47	jhMikeS	Yes
21:35:00	amiconn	no
21:35:07	Mmmm	no, it starts a new file...I assume you have paused the recording to do that
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21:35:14	jhMikeS	If I'm recording and I hit long play, it will jump back to the main record menu
21:35:16	amiconn	If you don't record, there is no file created at all
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21:35:42	jhMikeS	Mmmm...if i didn't pause, it keep right on recording into a new one.
21:36:08	jhMikeS	If no samples were recorded, it probably should be deleted IMHO.
21:36:13	Mmmm	good, that's as it should be...Long play acts as stop so this should always exit the recording screen
21:36:16	UrbanNightmare	Hello everyone. Just a quick question about compiling from source. Do I need to put a new firmware on my iPod or just the rockbox.ipod file?
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21:37:07	linuxstb_	UrbanNightmare: rockbox.ipod _is_ the firmware. You don't have to update the bootloader.
21:37:39	UrbanNightmare	Thanks. Sorry got the two confused. I'm new to rockbox but not to cross compiling in Linux.
21:37:48	jhMikeS	Mmmm: why does play have to be the "Off" when the power button does it too?
21:38:35	Mmmm	I was told that long play was normally the off button so for consistency I put it in
21:38:43	amiconn	?
21:38:45	jhMikeS	ok
21:39:01	Mmmm	amiconn: IAudiox5 has no off button!
21:39:02	amiconn	Long play is the off button _on ipod_
21:39:15	amiconn	Ah, you're talking about x5... sorry
21:39:34	Mmmm	doesn't Ipod have an off button either? what is the world coming to? :D
21:39:41	jhMikeS	amiconn: lets not get too technical...mmmmkay? :)
21:39:48	amiconn	Iirc, off is doubled on Play because the power button is deemed a bit cumbersome to operate
21:39:57	jhMikeS	the power switch is on/off
21:40:10	amiconn	Mmmm: nope
21:40:21	amiconn	Ipod has no dedicated off button at all
21:40:52	Mmmm	maybe these days the philosophy is: if you've started listening why would you want to stop
21:41:17	jhMikeS	Mmmm: I trust it checks out?
21:41:21	dan_a	While we're on the subject, is the iPod supposed to reset when the power-off timer is reached, or should it go into standby like it does on the original firmware?
21:41:34	Mmmm	jhMikeS: ???
21:41:47	jhMikeS	What I'd really like is to be able to remap keys for each function to my liking.
21:42:02	Mmmm	heh heh..not a chance!
21:42:22	jhMikeS	Mmmm: The ???. I mean the button are ok?
21:42:29	Mmmm	jhMikeS: so the conclusion is that the patch does what it should right?
21:42:31	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Watch me!
21:42:48	Mmmm	im watching...
21:43:12	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Well, yes. Now I have to see if there's actually something recorded! ;D
21:43:32	jhMikeS	Mmmm: or does that already check out?
21:43:40	Mmmm	ahh..that shouldnt be a prob...what I've done is just the buttons
21:43:46	linuxstb_	dan_a: It should go into standby. But I'm not sure if the method is the same on the 3g - does it have a pcf50605?
21:43:53	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Watch me do the button thing...fully programmable keys!
21:44:07	dan_a	linuxstb: It does
21:44:17	Mmmm	ahh! i see....that'll never get committed though is what I meant! ;)
21:44:19	jhMikeS	Mmmm: 20 different press length setting on each
21:45:12	amiconn	dan_a: Rockbox doesn't have a standby mode. It powers off after the poweroff timeout (hence the name ;) )
21:45:33	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Why wouldn't it? It wouldn't change anything for the novice and those that have gripes with keys can have it their way.
21:45:42	amiconn	Ah, you mean on g3 it doesn't work right yet
21:45:51	*	amiconn is a bit slow today :(
21:46:10	goffa_	yay.. iriver got my h140
21:46:27	goffa_	should have it fixed by wed.. and i should have it in time for vacation
21:46:29	Mmmm	jhMikeS: It's just one of those things people have decided is a bad idea...
21:46:45	linuxstb_	dan_a: Looking at the code, it should be working on the 3g... What happens if you hold the play button for a few seconds?
21:46:52	Mmmm	jhMikeS: ok..thanks loads, I'll commit that button patch then... cheers
21:47:34	*	Mmmm gets back to washing the dishes
21:47:37	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Well, I'm a bit new here so I'm not up on everything that's been decided. I don't remember seeing it in "features we'll never add to rockbox".
21:47:37	dan_a	linuxstb: It shuts down. When I wake it up it does a full reboot
21:47:47	linuxstb_	That's normal.
21:48:24	dan_a	That's fine then - at the moment I'm not always sure what's expected behaviour and what's a bug!
21:48:57	jhMikeS	Mmmm: I'd like to see my LCD driver upgrade committed...I've been working my butt off on it! :D
21:49:12	Mmmm	jhMikeS: have a quick look here (all i can find at the mo) jhMikeS: ok..thanks loads, I'll commit that then... cheers
21:49:13	dan_a	By the way, I managed to get some plugins working as thumb code :)
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21:49:54	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Where's the link?
21:50:02	Mmmm	jhMikeS: I'm afraid you'd have to find a dev who knows a bit more about the IAudio than me for that one....just keep going on about it
21:50:13	linuxstb_	dan_a: Nice. Which ones?
21:50:42	Mmmm	jhMikeS: Damn, stupid clipboard :D http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.msg41651#msg41651
21:50:53	jhMikeS	Mmmm: I've totally taken it over and boosted the frame rates substantially, is that worthy. And then there's the LCD shutoff thing
21:51:09	dan_a	Clock and Brickmania definitely were.
21:51:23	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Thanks. 8D
21:51:51	dan_a	It was only saving about 4k per .rock though.
21:52:05	Mmmm	jhMikeS: Sounds very good, It's just not me you need to talk to :)
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21:52:33	linuxstb_	dan_a: Still no luck with the codecs though?
21:52:49	jhMikeS	Mmmm: Help me out. Who's the one/ones to talk to? RaeNye?
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21:53:20	dan_a	linuxstb: No. I need to learn enough about Makefiles so I can try one codec at a time
21:53:39	linuxstb_	jhMikeS: I think Bagder and LinusN are the only two devs with CVS access and X5s, but I'm losing track of who has CVS access now...
21:54:32	jhMikeS	linuxstb_: Thanks
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21:59:07	amiconn	Hmm. The lcd should be shut down properly on all platforms. That's missing for ages....
21:59:44	jhMikeS	amiconn: X5 backlight blinks on poweroff when you do it
21:59:52	dan_a	linuxstb: Actually, now I come to think about it, last time I tried the codecs I wasn't using -mcallee-super-interworking
21:59:59	dan_a	and I think it needs that
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22:02:29	amiconn	jhMikeS: Yeha, it's quite likely the lcd becomes transparent when it's powered down. In this case it's necessary to switch off the backlight before shutting down the lcd
22:03:08	jhMikeS	amiconn: I did that of course! :)
22:04:36	amiconn	But without lcd shutdown, nasty effects might happen. Ghost images on coluor ipods, permanent black lcd line on greyscale ipods at next boot which will only slowly fade away. And a black line together with some pixel garbage at shutdown on the player
22:05:23	amiconn	The ghost images and black lines on ipod may have a negative effect on lcd lifetime
22:05:28	jhMikeS	Well, the X5 doesn't do that stuff...maybe it won't have I'll effects on other players.
22:06:00	amiconn	Maybe the H300 and X5 lcd have similar effects, just not visible because the lcd looks almost black when powered off
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22:07:51	jhMikeS	I don't know how shut down the VCC on the backlight and the LCD. Think I can randomly turn things off till I find it?
22:08:14	amiconn	You don't need to shut down Vcc
22:08:23	amiconn	The lcd has a powerdown command sequence
22:08:32	amiconn	s/lcd/lcd controller/
22:08:41	jhMikeS	amiconn: I put it though that of course
22:10:37	jhMikeS	Even just shutting down the display and leaving the internal operations going give the flash and powerdown.
22:11:27	jhMikeS	...at poweroff
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22:19:31	amiconn	Hmm.... I'm not exactly a friend of colour displays on mobile devices.... but... if someone manages to port a visualisation like "goom"...
22:20:59	*	amiconn guesses that type of visualisation is too demanding
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22:21:56	BockBilbo	hey again!
22:23:02	Genre9mp3	amiconn: Milkdrop which I suppose is similar to Goom, requires 8MB minimum hardware-based 3D graphics acceleration...
22:23:21	amiconn	I don't think goom needs hardware 3D
22:23:22	Genre9mp3	...amd 32MB recommended
22:23:42	amiconn	It runs with the opensource ati driver, hence without 3D acceleration
22:23:55	crwl	opensource ati driver has hardware acceleration for some chips
22:24:25	S0ap	a: It is driving a much larger screen. b: it wasn't programed with memory savings in mind c: I'd still bet my left nut the ipod couldn't drive anything close.
22:25:47	amiconn	crwl: Hmm, is that documented somewhere
22:25:56	amiconn	Btw, Xpress 200 (RS480) here
22:26:05	amiconn	(ATI chipset gfx)
22:27:14	crwl	amiconn, i don't know...
22:27:35	crwl	i have a radeon 9600 pro (RV350 i think) and was able to run PrBoom and glxgears just fine :)
22:28:09	BockBilbo	Im still searching for a program to retrieve all the album art images from my mp3 files tags that saves them on the folder each file is located at... anyone knows about one?
22:28:17	crwl	didn't try much else, because newer versions of the proprietary driver work fine for me...
22:29:03	BockBilbo	Album cover art downloader doesn't seen to be what i need, and neither easytag.. because for both of them i would need to save each image manually
22:29:24	BockBilbo	i need a program to get all the images from a large collection searching the directories recursively
22:29:41	amiconn	I won't go through the hassle of installing proprietary drivers
22:29:56	amiconn	(and I don't even know whether tehy're available for amd64)
22:30:24	obo	BockBilbo: maybe http://team.thenexusnet.com/nexus/AAA/ ??
22:30:42	BockBilbo	obo, lets see
22:30:42	BockBilbo	:)
22:30:43	crwl	there are drivers available for amd64
22:30:58	BockBilbo	ive read about it on mysticriver
22:31:07	BockBilbo	though im not sure if it is what i need
22:31:16	crwl	at least with ubuntu, the installation is very easy, the driver is available with apt-get
22:31:26	Genre9mp3	About the visualizations, a simple spectrum analyser plugin would be nice to have
22:31:35	BockBilbo	that program is for getting images from amazon
22:31:50	BockBilbo	i already have every image on the tags
22:31:59	amiconn	I don't care much about 3D anyway, what would be more important would be a working DPMS at the DVI output :/
22:32:00	BockBilbo	so i need to get the images from the mp3 files
22:32:03	obo	BockBilbo: ewww
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22:32:43	obo	sorry, I missed the bit when you said you had them in tags...
22:33:10	BockBilbo	obo, it is possible to add the album covers on the mp3 id tags
22:33:31	pondlife	Anyone with an Archos fancy testing some patches for me?
22:33:32	BockBilbo	all my mp3 files have its album cover on its id tag
22:33:37	obo	no idea - I used it when I was running windows, but have since switched to linux... so can't check
22:34:02	BockBilbo	obo, was that for me?
22:34:06	obo	yes
22:34:10	BockBilbo	i use ubuntu too
22:34:12	Paul_The_Nerd	pondlife: What kind of Archos, and what kind of patches?
22:34:29	pondlife	Any HWCODEC - that's most if not all of them isn't it?
22:34:32	Paul_The_Nerd	Oh, shoot. Nevermind.
22:34:35	Paul_The_Nerd	And yeah, that's all of 'em.
22:34:37	pondlife	Two patches to fix 2 crashes
22:34:37	Genre9mp3	I was wondering, is there a specific reason why .rvf are only for the Archoses?
22:34:45	pondlife	with voice clips
22:34:51	BockBilbo	i think im going to write a little bash script to get the images from the mp3 id tags
22:34:53	Paul_The_Nerd	Just realized, the AJBR is in a box in a truck 3 hours from here at the moment. =/
22:35:25	pondlife	Paul_The_Nerd: No problem, but in 3 hours maybe you can look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5690 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5691
22:35:26	sharpe	Paul_The_Nerd: is it a dilemma it's three hours away?
22:35:27	pondlife	;)
22:36:01	pondlife	I'd be interested to know if others are seeing the actual crashes too - they've been plaguing me for a while now.
22:36:33	pondlife	Might be my unusual config - .talk dir clips but not file clips
22:36:33	Paul_The_Nerd	pondlife: It won't be here in three hours. The truck is just three hours' drive away. It'll be here some time late this evening. But I'll check them when I get the chance (you may need to remind me tomorrow though, if I haven't yet)
22:37:01	pondlife	No worries, I was just joking about the 3 hours. I'll give you 4... ;-)
22:37:14	low_light	BockBilbo: install "eyed3" and use the −−write-images option
22:37:21	BockBilbo	thanks low_light
22:37:38	pondlife	I have a Recorder V1 which I leant to a friend, maybe able to get it back next week sometime.
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22:40:00	pondlife	On another topic - has it been suggested that 10000 tracks is too low a limit for tagcache?
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22:42:10	BockBilbo	low_light, that works, thanks... though i think that im going to write a little Java program
22:43:03	Paul_The_Nerd	pondlife: Several times, actually.
22:43:30	Paul_The_Nerd	pondlife: When the user initializes tagcache for the first time, maybe we should let them choose how big it gets to be.
22:45:55	pondlife	I increased my build to 15000, I wonder how big a memory hit I've taken....
22:46:13	pondlife	It should probably be a setting, like the max files per playlist
22:46:49	pondlife	Anyway, as is my way, I've gotta go.
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22:49:05	S0ap	I figure I can only get apox 9000 LAME -APS songs on my 60 gig ipod.
22:49:42	S0ap	(and I didn't use any long-ass ASMZ or GY!BE tracks to calc that)
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22:50:48	BockBilbo	by the way, i jost bougth a volskwagen golf on which im thinking of installing the ipod support for the radio-cd. The question here is... this will just work for the apple firmware, right?
22:50:51	crwl	but you can get a lot over 10000 vorbis q4 tracks...
22:50:58	crwl	or .SIDs, for that matter :D
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22:51:54	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, .sids+tagcache == OUCH
22:52:08	crwl	(is there a dircache exclude feature already? HVSC and dircache don't mix)
22:52:14	S0ap	vorbis q6 is much closer to APS than q4
22:52:16	crwl	tagcache probably doesn't know anything about sids yet, or..?
22:52:19	S0ap	but point taken
22:52:44	crwl	yes, but many people would consider APS quality a waste in a portable player, including me
22:52:46	Paul_The_Nerd	crwl: The SID patch was indexed by TagCache, unless they disabled that when committing it, I imagine it's the same.
22:53:01	Paul_The_Nerd	Why would APS be a waste on a portable?
22:53:07	crwl	i would perhaps have different opinion if i had 60 gigs of available space, though
22:53:13	Paul_The_Nerd	Especially ones like the H100 with digital output?
22:53:28	crwl	Paul_The_Nerd, because I can only luckily ABX even q4 vorbis
22:53:47	Paul_The_Nerd	Well, it's a waste if you can't ABX it at all, yeah.
22:53:58	Paul_The_Nerd	But you said you consider it a waste for portable players, rather than just for playback in general...
22:54:15	amiconn	lame −−preset standard isn't a waste imho
22:54:29	crwl	well, even so for portable players, because the playing environment is noisier and yadayada... erm... I haven't used the digital out at all with my H120 :)
22:54:56	amiconn	I don't need abx to hear the difference between lame −−preset standard and 128/160kbps on most music
22:55:09	crwl	most people do need, though
22:55:24	crwl	and vorbis at ~128 kbps is a completely different beast compared to MP3 on similar bitrates
22:55:29	S0ap	crwl - if enviromental noise is a problem, get some canalphones.
22:55:44	crwl	S0ap, they're bloody expensive
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22:56:04	S0ap	better for your ears than turning up the volume to drown out noise.
22:56:07	Paul_The_Nerd	crwl: Get the EP630s, they block out quite a lot of noise right there. :-P
22:56:24	S0ap	Even the cheap Koss Sparkplugs.
22:56:28	Paul_The_Nerd	No.
22:56:29	Paul_The_Nerd	:-P
22:56:35	crwl	i have spark plugs and use them rarely
22:56:59	crwl	I mostly use PX100's outside, spark plugs if the environment is really noisy
22:57:01	*	amiconn wonders why so many people seem to need either high volume or in-canal phones to enjoy their music
22:57:12	crwl	the sound quality between those two is huge, though
22:57:16	S0ap	cause I work on the side of the highway?
22:57:25	crwl	with those spark plugs, I wouldn't mind using q2 vorbis
22:58:19	crwl	oh, I probably wouldn't mind with them PX100's either if I had a low-capacity flash player
22:58:24	Paul_The_Nerd	At home I use PX100s and listen at about -50 to -60 apparently
22:58:28	crwl	it's just surprisingly good
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22:58:53	amiconn	S0ap: That's a special case then. What I mean is that if I use public transport (which I seldom do) I often can hear other people's music even though I'm wearing earphones myself (!)
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22:59:12	crwl	amiconn, that's really horrible
22:59:20	crwl	don't their ears hurt
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23:01:10	S0ap	yea amiconn - drowning out background noise with more volume is a bad call.
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23:04:34	grimman	Depends on how crappy the other person's headphones are.
23:04:45	grimman	They may just leak alot.
23:05:14	crwl	i should probably do new ABX tests someday - it's been several years...
23:06:04	crwl	the headphones I now have are pretty decent - the Sennheiser HD595's, but I have no idea about the output quality of my sound card, it's some cheap 5.1 Terratec
23:06:15	crwl	at least it's not horribly hissy like some cheaper Soundblasters
23:06:37	Paul_The_Nerd	Well, a lot of people turn up their music really loud because they've already half-deafened themselves.
23:07:44	Genre9mp3	Paul_The_Nerd: good point
23:08:31	Genre9mp3	Is there a way to actually measure the dB that our ears daily are exposed to?
23:08:54	carini	Is there anyone with CVS commit access around?
23:09:11	jhMikeS	Genre9mp3: What? I didn't hear that
23:09:32	Genre9mp3	I mean, by somehow analysing the waveform of a file...
23:09:51	Genre9mp3	and of course calibrate that info to specific earphones/headphones
23:12:12	Genre9mp3	...and suddenly...silence! OMG I'm deaf! :)
23:12:37	jhMikeS	Huh?
23:15:51	*	jhMikeS wonders if Paul_The_Nerd is melting
23:16:06	Paul_The_Nerd	I'm inside today
23:16:15	Paul_The_Nerd	With air conditioning. It can be nearly 100 all it wants. I'm here.
23:16:27	linuxstb_	You'll have to leave sometime...
23:16:33	jhMikeS	Now the wires are melting
23:17:18	Paul_The_Nerd	linuxstb_: I have a couch to move today...
23:19:42	amiconn	hmpf
23:19:46	*	amiconn fetches calculator
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23:21:16	*	linuxstb wonders why rockbox.bin would crash when loaded directly from the ipod's firmware partition...
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23:21:33	Paul_The_Nerd	Is that an actual Rockbox or the bootloader?
23:21:52	linuxstb	An actual Rockbox - no bootloader.
23:22:33	linuxstb	See my last commit to tools/scramble.c - it creates a firmware image directly from either bootloader.bin or rockbox.bin.
23:22:47	Paul_The_Nerd	I saw it, but I must've misread it
23:22:56	linuxstb	The bootloader works fine, but rockbox.bin crashes immediately after displaying the logo...
23:23:02	linuxstb	(with a corrupted display)
23:23:37	Paul_The_Nerd	Is the Apple bootloader not loading all of it, maybe?
23:24:31	linuxstb	Maybe...
23:25:23	Paul_The_Nerd	Does it load the Apple image all in a lump, or does it move parts of it to specific places in memory?
23:25:43	linuxstb	It loads it all in one lump.
23:26:17	Paul_The_Nerd	I was just remembering back to when you had it trying to load the Apple image from the Fat32 partition. It seemed to be working, but attempting certain functions just locked it up.
23:28:10	linuxstb	Thinking about it, it must load it all - there is a checksum in the header, so if it wasn't all loaded, the checksum would fail.
23:29:05	Paul_The_Nerd	Is there any initialization our bootloader normally does that isn't getting done?
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23:32:20	linuxstb	Not that I can think of - Rockbox should do everything again... Oh well, debugging time.
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23:36:06	*	linuxstb hates it when insterting debugging code fixes the problem...
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23:36:49	Paul_The_Nerd	Did it?
23:37:28	*	scorche wonders why he hasnt seen Bagder around lately
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23:37:34	Paul_The_Nerd	He's away
23:37:46	scorche	where?
23:37:48	Paul_The_Nerd	Dunno
23:37:57	scorche	huh
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23:38:06	scorche	huh as in the hmph huh
23:38:15	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, I figured that.
23:38:22	scorche	huh = hmph
23:38:26	scorche	huh? = huh?
23:38:40	Paul_The_Nerd	Yep
23:38:47	Paul_The_Nerd	That's exactly why punctuation is a good thing.
23:39:24	scorche	Indeed.
23:39:37	scorche	Maybe I should start typing correctly.
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23:44:04	midkay	who needs capitals. but commas and periods are fun.
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23:44:33	scorche	If you say so.
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23:47:10	midkay	that looks awful. stop it.
23:48:02	scorche	Why does it look awful?
23:49:11	randi	Paul_The_Nerd :)
23:49:24	randi	'lo.
23:49:31	Paul_The_Nerd	'alo
23:49:32	*	randi stalks.
23:49:57	midkay	capitalization mostly, and it doesn't fit with your usual "its quiet in here" kind of punctuation/capitalization theme.
23:50:39	Paul_The_Nerd	So does it look bad when I use proper capitalization, or is this more of a 'depends on who does it' sort of thing?
23:50:55	scorche	I have a theme? Also, i do not get your "it's quiet in here" remark. Please rephrase.
23:51:33	randi	<- cl chick, btw.
23:51:36	Paul_The_Nerd	I figured.
23:51:50	randi	caps on irc are for people that take way too much time to type. :)
23:51:50	Paul_The_Nerd	Which means I've now found your blog.
23:51:57	midkay	forgot a capital "I" and not even the most grammatically-correct person on earth would say "I do not get your [...]".
23:51:59	randi	indeed. it's not that hard. you could have googled my name.
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23:52:13	midkay	Paul_The_Nerd: certainly depends-who-does it. :)
23:52:31	midkay	you've always done it, and nobody else really does, so it's kind of what i associate with you..
23:52:35	Paul_The_Nerd	I was silly and didn't include BSD in the google.
23:52:45	midkay	scorche's the guy who never uses commas or periods or apostrophes.
23:52:50	randi	tsk tsk.
23:52:52	scorche	I am?
23:53:00	midkay	yes.
23:53:00	Paul_The_Nerd	Yeah, I have a very hard time typing without using capital letters, in all honesty. It got trained into me at a very early age, and it takes me longer to not use them.
23:53:18	randi	didn't mean to join and idle, but some people just called for a phone interview.
23:53:32	midkay	ah.. i use capitals in forum posts or.. you know.. stuff that other people will really see.. irc or instant messaging is always usually lowercase.
23:53:35	scorche	And i use commas _sometimes_; more often than not, I merely use ellipses.
23:53:39	randi	btw, bring me your laptop. i can probably get freebsd working on it.
23:53:46	randi	if i can get freebsd working on a macbook pro, i can do anything.
23:53:56	midkay	scorche: that capital "I" is giving you trouble, isn't it. :)
23:54:06	scorche	YES!
23:54:14	Paul_The_Nerd	The laptop has far more serious issues at the moment. I shall bring you the replacement, that I'm going to beat out of Best Buy after my final next week.
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23:56:41	randi	cool. i look forward to the challege. anything will be a welcome change after dealing with apple's completely screwed idea of how USB should work.
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23:56:51	randi	yay, score. in-person interview tomorrow.
23:57:03	Paul_The_Nerd	Congrats.
23:57:04	randi	er, weds
23:57:32	randi	i think that's a new record
23:57:47	randi	finding a job within 30 minutes of deciding that i should probably get one :)
23:57:51	Paul_The_Nerd	In terms of "time since the resume was sent"?
23:57:57	randi	4yeah.
23:57:58	randi	er, -4.
23:58:06	*	scorche gasps.

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