00:00:14 | k8to | it runs faster than O2 almost all the time |
00:00:25 | amiconn | I only see two more options now. (1) Thumb code might be faster than plain arm. (2) Writing some (more) critical parts in assembler |
00:00:41 | k8to | i suspect rockbox platforms have slightly lower cost for memory access |
00:01:04 | amiconn | k8to: Depends. On coldfire, memory access is really costly |
00:01:11 | k8to | thumb faster than plain arm? |
00:01:23 | k8to | that certainly wasn't the case when I worked with arm, but that was arm7tdmi etc |
00:01:33 | linuxstb | The ipods are arm7tdmi |
00:01:40 | k8to | oh |
00:01:58 | amiconn | I said 'might be', of course I'm not sure |
00:02:04 | k8to | still the thumb decoder could have had a few tweaks since 1998 |
00:02:08 | k8to | but it was a significant cost then |
00:02:25 | linuxstb | How wide was your memory bus? |
00:02:30 | k8to | like 20% speedloss for the test battery i had to deal with |
00:02:40 | k8to | it was a 32bit bus |
00:02:44 | Bagder | hah |
00:02:47 | Bagder | there you go |
00:02:56 | Bagder | thumb is for 16bit |
00:03:07 | amiconn | But the reasoning is that thumb instructions are 16bit, while plain arm is 32bit. And when memory bandwidth is a bottleneck... |
00:03:10 | k8to | it packs the instructions much mor etightly |
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00:03:33 | k8to | which should be a win for load in all situations |
00:03:34 | k8to | but |
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00:03:45 | amiconn | I didn't deal at all with arm until the rockbox ipod port |
00:03:47 | k8to | the decode costs more |
00:04:35 | k8to | how painful is mixed execution these days? |
00:04:37 | Bagder | perhaps that's why they say its for 16bit memory cases? ;-) |
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00:05:12 | linuxstb | Although if thumb proves faster, it's odd that (at least according to the IPL people), the Apple/PortalPlayer firmware doesn't contain any thumb code. |
00:05:16 | k8to | Bagder: that seems plausible sure, but of course some people care more about code size |
00:05:23 | Bagder | indeed |
00:05:27 | dan_a | Does anyone have any comments on the second patch on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5686 ? |
00:05:47 | k8to | hah i used to work on vxworks |
00:05:54 | dan_a | Would it be better if I folded the PP5002 code in with the PP5020? |
00:05:56 | Bagder | linuxstb: that's interesting, yes |
00:06:02 | k8to | and sometimes we'd get irate partners who were angry that our OS was so big on PPC |
00:06:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: I wouldn't think to much about this fact. There is more than one oddity on every rockbox platform... |
00:06:16 | k8to | since 68k code size is a lot smaller |
00:06:56 | * | freqmod likes the timer, the ipod feels much snappier when clicking now :) |
00:06:57 | * | man_in_shack had to do 68K asm last semester ... |
00:07:49 | linuxstb | dan_a: Yes, I think it's always better to combine code where possible. Also, I think it's up to you to decide the maximum speed for the 3g - but it would seem to make sense to me to use the higher frequency if it's needed and if it (at least appears to be) safe. |
00:10:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you check whether libmad -O is also faster on coldfire? |
00:11:12 | dan_a | My thinking on the maximum speed was that it would be better to leave it lower to encourage work on optimising the codecs |
00:11:21 | linuxstb | No, I was just thinking about that now - but does libmad even boost any more? |
00:11:40 | * | linuxstb goes to find his h140 |
00:11:45 | amiconn | You can make it boost. Just lower the unboosted frequency |
00:12:08 | bluebrother | I haven't seen my h120 boost for mp3 for quite some time. |
00:12:36 | amiconn | It's true, libmad is quite efficient now on coldfire. Now think back to how it started... |
00:13:01 | * | dan_a dreams of the day when the 3g drops under 100% boost |
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00:13:57 | obo | freqmod: snappier sounds good :) |
00:14:44 | freqmod | however the unregister functionallity does not work yet (i.e. the piezo keeps beeping if it is started when the backlight is fading. |
00:15:15 | obo | ah.... |
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00:19:08 | linuxstb | libmad isn't boosting on my 186kbit/s VBR test files... |
00:19:33 | barrywardell | linuxstb: how should i go about creating a fiile |
00:20:25 | barrywardell | i tried using fd=open("/test.txt",O_WRONLY), then close(fd) |
00:21:03 | linuxstb | I think you need something like fd=open("/test.txt",O_CREAT); |
00:21:12 | amiconn | You also need O_CREAT |
00:21:20 | amiconn | or use creat() in the first place |
00:21:27 | barrywardell | ah, ok |
00:22:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: So you've tried running it? |
00:23:56 | barrywardell | yeah, it looks like it may be running |
00:24:06 | barrywardell | but the test file isn't appearing |
00:24:21 | amiconn | Who broke the default contrast??? |
00:24:31 | linuxstb | So it's easy to try a new .mi4 when the one you're trying crashes? |
00:24:54 | Bagder | amiconn: I believe Raenye's work might've done it |
00:25:00 | amiconn | gah |
00:25:03 | barrywardell | yeah, there is a reset button on the H10 |
00:25:23 | barrywardell | and then i can just start it up as a usb storage device |
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00:26:57 | amiconn | Gah, choosing the same default contrast for all other targets than x5 and player, and not removing the now-obsolete function... :-\ |
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00:28:13 | amiconn | The function in fact can't be replaced by a simple #define |
00:28:34 | * | amiconn recommends checking code and its meaning, or asking, before changing things |
00:28:34 | linuxstb | Isn't it determined at run-time on some Archoses? |
00:28:38 | amiconn | yes |
00:28:51 | amiconn | On recorder, the default contrast depends on the hardware mask |
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00:30:46 | barrywardell | success!!! |
00:30:53 | linuxstb | \o/ |
00:30:58 | Bagder | keeewl |
00:31:04 | linuxstb | That's a big step. |
00:31:22 | linuxstb | All you need is an LCD and button driver, and Rockbox will boot... |
00:31:26 | dan_a | Well done! |
00:31:34 | Bagder | nice nice nice nice |
00:31:57 | barrywardell | i have no idea where to start with a LCD and button driver though |
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00:32:29 | barrywardell | where would be a good place to start to find out? |
00:33:29 | barrywardell | could i work from the ipod stuff? what would need to be adapted |
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00:36:26 | linuxstb | You could probably get audio playback working before lcd and button drivers... |
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00:38:41 | barrywardell | linuxstb: what would i do to get that working? would i build rockbox for an ipod target? |
00:39:04 | linuxstb | Seems the link to the LCD info from the IriverH10Info page is broken... |
00:39:35 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Yes, and change Rockbox to automatically play your music when it starts. But you would also have to strip out a lot of ipod-specific stuff. |
00:39:46 | barrywardell | i think it's also the wrong model number |
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00:40:59 | barrywardell | is it easy to find all the ipod-specific stuff? what files do i have to look in? |
00:41:02 | linuxstb | You could also attempt to make your new bootloader load the original firmware. |
00:41:48 | barrywardell | here's the LCD page: http://www.varitronix.com/TFTsearch.php I think it's the 1.8" |
00:41:55 | linuxstb | As the H10 seems to be closest to a 1st gen mini, I would start by looking in firmware/export/config-ipodmini.h - those #defines control what code is included in the build. |
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00:45:03 | linuxstb | Seems that LCD module has a "Hx8310A" controller. |
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00:45:58 | amiconn | Slasheri: Another tagcache bug: If auto-update is enabled, and you shut down the unit while the auto-update scan is in progress, shutdown is delayed until the hard shutdown after 8 seconds kicks in. |
00:46:16 | barrywardell | yeah, think that's a "himax hx8310a" |
00:46:20 | amiconn | Tagcache should stop doing its scans when a shutdown is requested |
00:46:54 | linuxstb | barrywardell: You should try and track down a datasheet for it. |
00:47:57 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i tried already, but haven't had any success yet |
00:48:22 | amiconn | linuxstb: A tiny but important detail would be the hookup of the lcd controller... |
00:48:36 | Bagder | barrywardell: could you make your tiny test image available? |
00:48:43 | Bagder | I'd like to try it on my sansa |
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00:50:14 | barrywardell | Bagder: i can email you the image i used |
00:50:32 | Bagder | please do! daniel at haxx dot se |
00:52:12 | linuxstb | barrywardell: A useful task could also be to make your bootloader load and execute the original .mi4 file. |
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00:52:50 | * | freqmod has updated the piezo task ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111 ), piezo works as it should now :) |
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00:53:14 | * | linuxstb hated the piezo in the apple firmware, but is curious about it in Rockbox... |
00:54:02 | barrywardell | linuxstb: would i do that by modifying one of the existing loaders in ipod.h? which one? |
00:54:08 | amiconn | Perhaps it makes the wheel a bit more bearable |
00:54:22 | * | amiconn still dislikes the wheel |
00:54:34 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I would probably use the Rockbox one. |
00:54:54 | freqmod | linuxstb: remember to turn it on (i have hidden the settings the in LCD settings menu, in need for a better place), and when the duration is 0 (default) it does not make a sound. |
00:55:48 | barrywardell | Bagder: do you want me to encrypt it for the Sansa? |
00:56:05 | Bagder | hm, well sure why not |
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00:56:26 | Bagder | hm no |
00:56:31 | Bagder | make it dummy |
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00:57:18 | Bagder | I guess the exact same image you used would be interesting |
00:57:30 | linuxstb | BTW, the ipod bootloader copies itself to IRAM, so we now also know for sure that IRAM is at 0x4000000. |
00:57:58 | linuxstb | freqmod: I'm confused - why are there two patches in your last comment? |
00:58:30 | freqmod | the first was my original patch (now fixed for a little typo) |
00:58:44 | freqmod | the secound changes from udelay to timer |
00:59:01 | linuxstb | So I should apply them both? |
00:59:05 | freqmod | yes |
00:59:46 | obo | second has "\ No newline at end of file" in it |
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01:00:03 | barrywardell | Bagder: yes, but the encryption key (TEA) is different for the sansa. i have sent the version encrypted for sansa |
01:00:10 | Bagder | ah yes |
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01:00:32 | * | Bagder obviously can't think at this hour |
01:00:35 | freqmod | yes it was the old file that had no newline at the end of file |
01:01:20 | barrywardell | linuxstb: what do the last few lines of main() do in ipod.c. (ie. entry=tblb->addr...) |
01:03:21 | linuxstb | That's specific to Apple's firmware. Ignore it. |
01:05:17 | linuxstb | freqmod: No config-block increment... |
01:05:36 | linuxstb | Ah no, it's at the end... |
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01:05:57 | pill | i'm soon to be very poor |
01:05:59 | pill | :( |
01:06:24 | [OTC]Deadmeat334 | How long does the id3 tag cache thing usaly take? |
01:06:29 | [OTC]Deadmeat334 | when set to use the ram? |
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01:09:13 | Bagder | oops |
01:09:14 | BockBilbo | hello |
01:09:19 | Bagder | hehe |
01:09:21 | barrywardell | linuxstb: strange, it doesn't work if i comment that stuff out |
01:09:27 | Bagder | now I can't shut it off |
01:09:43 | Bagder | ah, it timed out by itself |
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01:10:13 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do you get a warning when you compile the bootloader? |
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01:10:35 | barrywardell | yes, without that stuff |
01:11:12 | linuxstb | freqmod: Ah, I see you've only edited config-ipodvideo.h.... |
01:11:26 | barrywardell | ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol start; defaulting to 40000000 |
01:11:26 | * | linuxstb was trying it on a Color... |
01:12:04 | freqmod | the task was only filed under ipod5g, I don't know if the piezos are the same... |
01:12:06 | linuxstb | Put it back for now then... |
01:12:09 | excitatory | is there ever a need to defragment ones vfat device? |
01:12:10 | BockBilbo | hello |
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01:12:13 | BockBilbo | :) |
01:12:16 | linuxstb | Yes, the piezo's the same for all ipods. |
01:12:29 | obo | I only added to the 5g cos that's all I have here :-/ |
01:12:41 | freqmod | ok, then somebody (maybe you) can add all the others |
01:12:41 | linuxstb | Well, I'll test it on my Color now :) |
01:12:44 | BockBilbo | linuxstb, i almost finished the album cover retreiver program for getting the images from the id3 tags :) |
01:12:54 | Bagder | no success |
01:12:58 | BockBilbo | is there anywhere in the wiki i should put a link to it? |
01:13:26 | barrywardell | Bagder: what happened? |
01:13:41 | Bagder | it seemed to run, at least nothing weird happened |
01:13:46 | Bagder | it just stuck showing the logo |
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01:14:13 | Bagder | but no new file is on the unit now |
01:14:58 | linuxstb | Maybe the PP5024 isn't as similar as we thought then... But I hope it's something else. |
01:15:23 | Bagder | could be lots of things, the test was really basic and naive |
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01:16:34 | barrywardell | that it ran at all without giving up an error about a bad mi4 is a good sign |
01:16:54 | barrywardell | is the sansa flash based or hdd? |
01:16:59 | Bagder | flash |
01:17:04 | barrywardell | my h10 is hdd so that might the problem |
01:17:06 | linuxstb | freqmod: It's working... |
01:17:23 | linuxstb | Ah, so it may not use the ATA interface... |
01:17:23 | Bagder | yeah, there are quite a few differences |
01:18:50 | freqmod | linuxstb:good :) :) |
01:19:17 | linuxstb | hehe, there isn't an ATA interface on the PP5024 :) |
01:19:26 | Bagder | uuh |
01:19:44 | Bagder | pain |
01:20:41 | Bagder | anything on 0x70000000 on the ipods? |
01:20:53 | linuxstb | See http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 |
01:21:19 | Bagder | thanks |
01:22:09 | excitatory | do vfat devices need to be defragmented? (e.g. an ipod) i've noticed that transfer rates used to be almost instant, and now when filling up my device, it can take 15-20 minutes to fill up my 2gb nano.. |
01:22:19 | Bagder | e84: e3a00460 mov r0, #1610612736 ; 0x60000000 e88: e5d02000 ldrb r2, [r0] |
01:22:19 | Bagder | e8c: e3520055 cmp r2, #85 ; 0x55 |
01:22:34 | excitatory | and no one seems to know of any linux vfat defrag utilities |
01:22:43 | Bagder | good to see lots of it look similar |
01:23:23 | linuxstb | So you've got the FLASH interface to reverse-engineer, as well as the DAC... |
01:23:35 | Bagder | yeah, how fun..... |
01:23:38 | linuxstb | :( |
01:24:04 | linuxstb | So no more news from Sandisk? |
01:24:25 | Bagder | nope, nothing at all |
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01:29:18 | linuxstb | freqmod: I can't remember how the Apple firmware did it, but my first reaction is that I'm not sure if it should click when the application part of Rockbox is ignoring the keypress - e.g. when you've scrolled to the end of a list. |
01:30:00 | freqmod | i did hook the beep function in the button driver where the keypresses are queued |
01:30:36 | linuxstb | I know - I think my suggestion would be harder to implement. It would have to be in everywhere in apps/ that reacted to a keypress... |
01:31:06 | linuxstb | So probably best to ignore me. |
01:33:15 | freqmod | yeayea the function is piezo_play_for((unsigned short)global_settings.button_beep_frequency,(unsigned short)global_settings.button_beep_length*1000); just add it to the apps folder |
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01:34:17 | * | freqmod {a joke}, don't really thing it is a wise use of time . |
01:34:48 | * | dwihno votes for piezo in the cvs! :) |
01:34:54 | dwihno | *nods at topic* |
01:35:41 | * | freqmod votes for a working album art patch (will try to see if it works against a clean cvs tomorrow) |
01:36:23 | dwihno | naah, album art is overrated anyhow :) |
01:36:31 | dwihno | clicking and beeping = important! :) |
01:36:49 | k8to | *click* whirrrrrr..... *beep* |
01:36:53 | freqmod | iCandy, with bells and whistles . |
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01:37:06 | dwihno | :) |
01:37:11 | dwihno | freqmod: You understand me! Great! :) |
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01:39:43 | dwihno | On a serious matter though. I think the piezo should be chcked in. |
01:39:47 | dwihno | If the implementation is clean |
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01:41:17 | * | freqmod thinks it is a good idea, as is disabled by default, but it is not up to me, bye... |
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01:48:40 | barrywardell | linu |
01:49:07 | barrywardell | linuxstb: partial success with the bootloader |
01:49:20 | barrywardell | lot it starting to load the iriver firmware |
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01:49:38 | barrywardell | but it doesn't get past the system initialising screen |
01:50:31 | linuxstb | That's not really a surprise. The Apple firmware is very fussy on the ipods - it seems to make a lot of assumptions about the hardware being in a certain state when it's loaded. |
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01:55:28 | barrywardell | linuxstb: what was needed to get the apple firmware working? |
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01:57:29 | linuxstb | Basically just doing as little as possible to the hardware. |
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01:58:20 | linuxstb | But I'm not sure if there's much less that can be done. It could also be a completely different reason your firmware isn't loading. |
01:58:37 | linuxstb | BTW, do the H10s have DRM support? |
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02:00:06 | barrywardell | i think they wma DRM support |
02:00:12 | barrywardell | but I have never used it |
02:01:06 | barrywardell | i'll fiddle with the bootloader a bit more so... |
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02:53:29 | Drkepilogue | is anyone here?? |
02:53:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Traditionally only one question mark is needed for English questions. |
02:53:59 | Drkepilogue | lol |
02:54:01 | Drkepilogue | ok... |
02:54:07 | Drkepilogue | i dont like traditions |
02:54:09 | Drkepilogue | =P |
02:54:24 | Drkepilogue | but yeah... |
02:54:30 | Drkepilogue | theres is this new update for the ipod thing |
02:54:37 | Drkepilogue | heres the descritption |
02:54:38 | Drkepilogue | Compiling libmad with -O instead of -O2 gives a small speedup (60% boost instead of 66% boost on my test tracks) on ipods. Based on patch #5707 for the ipod 3g by Daniel Ankers, extended to all ipods by me. |
02:54:46 | Drkepilogue | i dunt understand this |
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02:55:18 | JdGordon | it just means its faster |
02:55:38 | Drkepilogue | really.... |
02:56:07 | Drkepilogue | like faster but use more energy, or using same amount of power, and also faster? |
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02:57:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Faster means "uses less power" |
02:57:22 | Drkepilogue | woot |
02:57:34 | Drkepilogue | yay, i get 10min more playbak time |
02:57:34 | Drkepilogue | loz |
02:57:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It can get the same job done in less time, using the same amount of power per millisecond. So, total, less power is used. |
02:58:02 | Drkepilogue | yay |
02:58:06 | Drkepilogue | ty for clearing it up |
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03:01:17 | Drkepilogue | Llorean, wanna help me with something? |
03:03:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Depends on what |
03:04:11 | Drkepilogue | having an issue with tagchae... |
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03:05:09 | Drkepilogue | i go to general setting, file view, tagcache, and update now... |
03:05:13 | Drkepilogue | and then |
03:05:20 | Drkepilogue | i go to initialize now... |
03:05:35 | Drkepilogue | then set show files to ID3... |
03:05:37 | Drkepilogue | well |
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03:05:42 | Drkepilogue | then i reboot |
03:05:47 | Drkepilogue | and it said it is commiting the thing |
03:05:56 | Drkepilogue | but still cant browse by tags |
03:07:24 | kubaner | Installing RockBox will erase all the data on the iPod? I think not but I want to be sure =\ |
03:07:34 | Drkepilogue | it wont erase data... |
03:07:39 | Drkepilogue | but u cant use itune DB |
03:07:55 | Drkepilogue | meaning songs that u uploaded using itune |
03:08:01 | Drkepilogue | wont be useful |
03:08:01 | kubaner | Oh thanks, I just want to be sure, the iTunes DB doesn't bother me =) |
03:08:06 | Drkepilogue | ok |
03:08:12 | Drkepilogue | so all u need to do is install RB |
03:08:21 | Drkepilogue | and drag and drop yur songs into ipod |
03:08:26 | kubaner | Thanks, Drkepilogue. |
03:11:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: What version of RB are you running? |
03:11:17 | Drkepilogue | yesterday daily |
03:11:27 | Drkepilogue | im about to update it todays CVS |
03:11:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Try a CVS build, an delete all the .tcd files. |
03:11:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | There have been a few more changes made, so that might help |
03:12:20 | Drkepilogue | so, leave glythcache alone? |
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03:15:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's unrelated entirely |
03:16:02 | Drkepilogue | ok |
03:16:10 | Drkepilogue | so i delete the .tcd files |
03:16:13 | Drkepilogue | update to laste CVS |
03:16:31 | Drkepilogue | and i go initialize now... |
03:16:38 | Drkepilogue | after HD stop running... |
03:16:40 | Drkepilogue | reboot |
03:16:45 | Drkepilogue | show file to tags |
03:16:48 | Drkepilogue | and still no luck |
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03:16:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | How many files do you have? |
03:17:04 | Drkepilogue | 300ish... |
03:17:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did it do Committing when you rebooted? |
03:17:28 | Drkepilogue | yeah |
03:17:31 | Drkepilogue | stopeed at 4... |
03:17:36 | Drkepilogue | then i went into RB |
03:17:39 | Drkepilogue | it |
03:17:40 | Drkepilogue | * |
03:17:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | 4 out of ? |
03:17:44 | Drkepilogue | 14 |
03:17:45 | Drkepilogue | er |
03:17:45 | Drkepilogue | 13 |
03:17:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then it didn't succeed |
03:17:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | You probably just have bad tags |
03:18:03 | Drkepilogue | i got japanese tags. |
03:18:16 | Drkepilogue | does that affect!? |
03:18:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you have any embedded album art, MP4, M4P, or M4A files? |
03:18:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Tags in Japanese *should* be okay, I think |
03:19:02 | Drkepilogue | AAC, yes |
03:19:12 | Drkepilogue | embedded album art.. iono how to check |
03:19:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is "iono" supposed to mean "I don't know" or something similar? |
03:19:46 | Drkepilogue | yeah |
03:19:51 | Drkepilogue | i dont know |
03:19:53 | kubaner | Up and running, thanks for clearing my doubt Drkepilogue hehe. |
03:20:03 | Drkepilogue | hav fun using RB |
03:20:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Please, try to use real phrases instead of made up words. It makes it difficult for non-English speakers. |
03:20:24 | Drkepilogue | oh |
03:20:25 | Drkepilogue | sorry |
03:20:32 | Drkepilogue | your english seems good in the forum |
03:20:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | The AAC files could be the problem, as our metadata reader isn't alway consistent with them. As well, if you have embedded album art, that's caused issues in the past as well. |
03:20:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, I'm a native English speaker, but just because I am doesn't mean everyone is. |
03:21:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just a standard we like to try to keep for better understanding in general. |
03:21:22 | Drkepilogue | ok |
03:21:36 | Drkepilogue | well, how do i check if embedded arts are in my songs? |
03:23:18 | jsMikeS | The latest build is crashing on my X5 because of the contrast/brightness patch that was committed. Just hangs with messed-up colors, says "No Files" and is unresponsive. I've tracked the problem to settings.c. |
03:23:35 | Drkepilogue | nice |
03:23:39 | Drkepilogue | think you can fix it? |
03:23:39 | Drkepilogue | lol |
03:23:58 | jsMikeS | I don't know. Here's the what I changed... |
03:24:16 | jsMikeS | #ifdef HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS__ |
03:24:16 | jsMikeS | {4, S_O(brightness), 9, "brightness", NULL }, |
03:24:16 | jsMikeS | #endif |
03:24:16 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jsMikeS |
03:24:16 | jsMikeS | #ifdef HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS |
03:24:21 | jsMikeS | {4, S_O(brightness), 9, "brightness", NULL }, |
03:24:26 | jsMikeS | ... |
03:24:35 | jsMikeS | woops.. just one |
03:24:38 | Drkepilogue | i dont know anything about this.. |
03:24:42 | Drkepilogue | im just a beta tester |
03:24:43 | Drkepilogue | sry |
03:24:53 | jsMikeS | ok... |
03:24:58 | jsMikeS | #ifdef HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS__ |
03:25:11 | jsMikeS | Well, maybe someone here can help. |
03:25:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Drkepilogue: Really, I don't know how to check, as I've never even wanted to use album art, and I rip all my songs myself. |
03:25:57 | jsMikeS | If I change that it doesn't crash but can't save/restore the setting. |
03:26:12 | jsMikeS | It's a clean CVS build |
03:28:37 | jsMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Is this one of those arcane questions I shouldn't expect a quick response to? :D |
03:28:58 | jsMikeS | The first one...not that one. :D |
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03:30:47 | Drkepilogue | O.o |
03:30:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | jsMikeS: Out of curiosity, have you tried clearing your settings while booting with a CVS build? I find it hard to believe that a patch was committed that consistently causes a freeze. |
03:32:33 | jsMikeS | yes, clear everything. Deleted rockbox entirely from my player, compiled clean...all that. |
03:33:04 | jsMikeS | Even tried downloading a build off the site |
03:33:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | You're gonna have to catch Raenye or maybe Bagder for this one, I imagine. |
03:33:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Did you actually clear your settings, or just delete rockbox? |
03:34:16 | jsMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: I haven't seen RaeNye around here much lately. Badger is on right now but is he watching? |
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03:35:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it's a bit late for him to be around. |
03:35:12 | jsMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Deleted all rockbox related files. Setting would have been cleared. :) |
03:35:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, they wouldn't have |
03:35:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | The settings aren't stored in any file. |
03:35:33 | sharpe | jsMikeS: not the one stored off the main partition. |
03:35:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | They're written to a config sector on the disk. |
03:35:42 | jsMikeS | I did try a clear, yees |
03:35:55 | jsMikeS | How do you wipe that out? |
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03:36:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Usually, hold something while booting |
03:36:32 | jsMikeS | That just wipes it and doesn't have to know what settings are defines? |
03:37:10 | jsMikeS | BTW: I'd find it odd if they'd committed that too. That's why it's probably me. |
03:37:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | That just resets the settings. You should do that with a clean, bleeding edge CVS build downloaded from the site, and see if it works. It'll say "Settings Cleared" when you boot it the right way, probably holding Record. |
03:38:10 | jsMikeS | I did the clean bleeding edge thing. I'll try that. |
03:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I'm suggesting you do that *with* a clean bleeding edge, to make sure. |
03:41:03 | jsMikeS | Got the "cleared" |
03:41:41 | jsMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: Sweet. It worked! :D Thank you. |
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03:42:43 | jsMikeS | Paul_The_Nerd: RB gets messed up a lot when new settings a introduced. |
03:43:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, when introduced properly, they should automatically be cleared. |
03:43:28 | jsMikeS | There's the qualifier. I've never seen the "Cleared". |
03:43:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | But you'll notice there were a few commits revolving around that patch, as things didn't quite happen right, which could've been what caused a bad setting to get in after the clear. |
03:43:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | It won't say cleared on one of those. You'll just boot up and suddenly have no theme. |
03:44:26 | jsMikeS | When the recording was put it, it just started going right to the recording screen. |
03:45:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I think you can increase the settings version without increasing the minimum settings version. If my memory is right, then this may be what's being done. I think it was found out to be a bad idea though. |
03:46:08 | jsMikeS | Increasing the settings version changes what where? |
03:46:16 | jsMikeS | In the sector? |
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03:47:57 | jsMikeS | I take it it's supposed to an read old settings version in, and output the the new version tagged with a new version number? |
03:48:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I remember right, increasing it just means "We have a new settings version" while increasing the minimum means "The middle of the settings has changed, so you'll have to reset to defaults." |
03:48:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | No, it never bothers to read the old version in. But if the old version is higher than the minimum, it should still be usable data. |
03:48:47 | jsMikeS | Hmmm...know what file handles that part? |
03:49:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | No clue |
03:50:16 | jsMikeS | Then I'm going hunting... |
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04:06:12 | JdG|uni | is anyone with an ipod around? |
04:07:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Kinda |
04:09:51 | JdG|uni | is the scroll wheel used pretty much everywhere for up/down in the ui? |
04:10:08 | dongs | dongs |
04:10:16 | dongs | JdG|uni: yea sure |
04:10:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I can't think of anywhere it's not. |
04:10:25 | JdG|uni | ok |
04:10:27 | JdG|uni | ta |
04:10:37 | dongs | anything new with rockbox? |
04:10:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a handy dandy changelog full of new things. |
04:11:23 | dongs | well is 3.0 out uyet? |
04:11:46 | JdG|uni | cancelled |
04:11:50 | dongs | nice |
04:11:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Does it say "Rockbox v3.0 is released" on the front page? |
04:11:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdG|uni: It wasn't really cancelled. |
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04:13:14 | dongs | rolo? |
04:13:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Rockbox Loader. |
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04:13:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can use it to have several different build binaries on a player, or potentially load AppleOS from a file, if the issues with that ever get resolved. |
04:14:09 | dongs | oic |
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04:14:47 | dongs | wtf @ rockpaint |
04:15:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | What about it? |
04:15:18 | dongs | can you say useless? |
04:15:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, I agree it's useless. |
04:15:34 | dongs | oh noez you got into credits. |
04:15:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least for me. |
04:15:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | But someone coded it, and submitted it, and it's just a plugin, so is there any really good reason not to? |
04:16:10 | dongs | i guess i better start coding that CRC32 rename plugin then. |
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04:16:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, with Rockpaint, you can actually now do ever part of creating a WPS on-player. |
04:16:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, it's more practical than say, Doom, at least. |
04:17:15 | midkay | why not have it.. a few hundred |
04:17:18 | midkay | KB on disk.. |
04:17:34 | midkay | maybe useless, maybe fun to screw around with once when you're bored. |
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04:19:18 | dongs | hurm |
04:19:21 | dongs | i guess i'll give it a try again. |
04:19:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | Don't bother. |
04:19:50 | dongs | orly |
04:19:57 | BloodySorcerer | yarly |
04:20:04 | dongs | why/ |
04:20:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | You're just going to come back here and complain about the battery life, and other efficiency issues, once more complain about open source software. The usual. |
04:21:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | The parts you seem to enjoy complaining about haven't really improved since the last time I saw you. |
04:21:09 | JdG|uni | in the ipod, the menu button is top, select in the middle and play at the bottom? (i cant find a decent pic) |
04:21:11 | dongs | ah thats a bummer |
04:21:15 | dongs | JdG|uni: yes |
04:22:19 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: was that doom, or games in general, or.. a lovely-looking interface, or what? |
04:22:49 | dongs | well rockbox.ipod became 20k bigger |
04:22:53 | dongs | since last time i updated |
04:22:59 | dongs | so SOMETHIGN is better now. |
04:23:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: To what are you referring with "that"? |
04:23:29 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: dongs' reason for interest in rockbox. |
04:23:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Well, there are TagCache improvements, Rolo, etc. Changes have happened, but no real improvement to core function at the moment. |
04:24:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: As far as I know, his real interest in the project is to be telling us we should be using commercial compilers in a windows environment because open source software sucks. |
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04:25:09 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: ah, righto, i remember now. |
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04:28:12 | dongs | lol if you compiled shit that acutally wastes cpu time with a real compiler and didnt use gnu hacks/extensions rockbox would probably double its current battery life |
04:28:38 | midkay | LOL |
04:29:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: So, question one: How do you explain the fact that Rockbox beats the commercial firmware's battery life on the Archoses and irivers? |
04:30:03 | dongs | obviously, they compiled with even older gnu compiler |
04:30:43 | midkay | so you're saying open source software is making progress? |
04:31:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: So, what will your response be when/if we ever do beat the iPod's firmware battery life? |
04:31:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: by-product of "newer gnu compiler". |
04:31:31 | dongs | i will be impressed |
04:31:35 | dongs | but i doubt it'll happen |
04:32:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | It won't be the compiler that prevents it from happening though |
04:32:47 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: it must be, because don't forget, the compiler is ... open source! (dun dun dun) |
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04:33:11 | dongs | well looks liek todays build works |
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04:33:17 | * | dongs makes sure hold isnt on and plugs into charger |
04:34:22 | midkay | it actually works? :o |
04:34:42 | JdG|uni | holy crap! |
04:35:24 | dongs | when are you guys gonna support ipod nike |
04:35:36 | JdG|uni | nevaaa |
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05:08:22 | goffa | i'll bet they'll support ipod nike when someone rewrites the firmware to support rb :) |
05:08:41 | * | goffa couldn't resist stating the obvious |
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05:24:24 | kazukisan | I am on Ubuntu Dapper, i have a archos Jukebox Studio 20, with rockbox installed, when i connect with usb i cant mount it and dmesg says this -> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/3546 |
05:27:39 | k8to | does everything work fine if you boot the original firmware? |
05:27:46 | kazukisan | how do i do that |
05:27:54 | k8to | i don't know :o |
05:27:57 | kazukisan | lol |
05:28:24 | kazukisan | archos has a program to set everything back to fact settings but i dont know if i want to do that yet |
05:28:46 | k8to | no no, rockbox is supposed to have a fallback boot action of some kind |
05:29:03 | k8to | i'm just here to watch the conversation and get a feel for rockbox development, i've never used it |
05:29:52 | kazukisan | i c |
05:30:02 | k8to | i'm looking at the documentation now |
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05:33:30 | k8to | maybe i'm wrong |
05:33:51 | k8to | there are certainly instructions for uninstalling it |
05:34:02 | k8to | but they involve mounting and modifying the files on the player |
05:34:11 | k8to | which is not working |
05:34:48 | kazukisan | yea :-/ |
05:35:06 | k8to | are you successfully using other usb mass storage devices? |
05:35:28 | kazukisan | im using a usb dvd burner |
05:36:48 | k8to | bah |
05:37:06 | k8to | you should pester more to see if someone who can help wakes up |
05:37:19 | kazukisan | lol |
05:37:24 | kazukisan | I am on Ubuntu Dapper, i have a archos Jukebox Studio 20, with rockbox installed, when i connect with usb i cant mount it and dmesg says this -> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/3546 |
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05:49:43 | kazukisan | can i format this thing and somehow get it working again lol |
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05:51:27 | kazukisan | I am on Ubuntu Dapper, i have a archos Jukebox Studio 20, with rockbox installed, when i connect with usb i cant mount it and dmesg says this -> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/3546 |
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06:26:42 | kazukisan | I am on Ubuntu Dapper, i have a archos Jukebox Studio 20, with rockbox installed, when i connect with usb i cant mount it and dmesg says this -> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/3546 |
06:31:12 | dongs | kazukisan: http://pepper.idge.net/slashdot/scsi-obsolete |
06:32:07 | kazukisan | how does this help me |
06:32:15 | dongs | it informs you that scsi is obsolete |
06:32:22 | kazukisan | ? |
06:32:46 | dongs | which part of that sentence is unclear? |
06:33:02 | kazukisan | does this mean i cannot use it with linux ? |
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06:34:17 | dongs | well wtf |
06:34:28 | dongs | 39070072 th sector is like |
06:34:57 | dongs | yeah |
06:35:01 | kazukisan | ? |
06:35:04 | dongs | its trying to access beyond the device |
06:35:11 | dongs | duno why, i'd blame linux first. |
06:35:14 | dongs | does it work in windows? |
06:35:16 | kazukisan | lol |
06:35:18 | kazukisan | yes |
06:35:36 | kazukisan | i just formated it in windows about 5 min ago to see if that would help |
06:35:37 | dongs | 39070072sector*512bytes = 18gb or so |
06:35:39 | kazukisan | it didnt |
06:36:11 | kazukisan | its a 20 gb drive |
06:36:17 | kazukisan | but windows only sees 18 so |
06:36:20 | dongs | right |
06:36:41 | | Part Paul_The_Nerd |
06:36:57 | dongs | 39070072*512bytes = 18.630062 GiB / 20004Mbytes = 18.630177 GiB |
06:37:21 | dongs | for some reason it doesnt like something at the end of the drive. |
06:37:33 | dongs | you could try to partition it i guess and leave liek 10megs at the end |
06:37:41 | dongs | lol. |
06:37:45 | kazukisan | i cant mount it tho |
06:38:01 | dongs | mount /dev/sdb1 /whatever doesnt wokr? |
06:38:08 | dongs | (you dont need ot mount it to partition it) |
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06:38:25 | kazukisan | cfdisk /dev/sdb doesnt work either |
06:38:35 | dongs | more of same kinda shit in dmesg? |
06:38:43 | kazukisan | sec |
06:38:52 | kazukisan | omg |
06:39:04 | kazukisan | kde just poped a window when i pluged it in lol |
06:39:13 | kazukisan | found a jukebox |
06:39:21 | kazukisan | lol wtf |
06:39:23 | kazukisan | it works |
06:39:25 | dongs | heh |
06:39:26 | kazukisan | all of a sudden |
06:39:46 | kazukisan | you know what |
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06:39:59 | dongs | heh |
06:40:05 | kazukisan | only thing diffrent this time is i have the power cord pluged in for charging while i usb connected it |
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06:41:12 | dongs | i stil blame linux |
06:42:12 | kazukisan | lol |
06:42:28 | kazukisan | it was pretty much dead when i was trying to plug it in maybe thats what was going on |
06:42:45 | kazukisan | putting music and just installed rockbox on it :D |
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06:42:55 | kazukisan | so far working great :D |
06:43:00 | kazukisan | and linuxisbetter :D |
06:44:01 | kazukisan | i need a new mp3 player lol |
06:44:06 | kazukisan | usb 1.0 sucks |
06:45:17 | Doomed_ | i need a bigger mp3 player |
06:46:25 | kazukisan | that would be nice too |
06:46:35 | kazukisan | my archos is like 3 years old or more |
06:46:43 | kazukisan | the batterys suck so bad |
06:47:03 | kazukisan | im suprized it still even works |
06:47:46 | kazukisan | but 20 gig mp3 player is nice :D |
06:47:52 | dongs | yeah i was gonn ask about that dmesg |
06:47:56 | dongs | why the hell it said full speed usb |
06:48:04 | dongs | lol @ 20gb over usb 1.1 |
06:48:09 | Doomed_ | ive got a H120 |
06:48:14 | Doomed_ | i love it |
06:48:19 | Doomed_ | but i filled all 20 gb up |
06:48:24 | kazukisan | lol |
06:48:45 | kazukisan | dongs im getting like 1 - 2 mb /sec |
06:49:10 | dongs | well yeah |
06:49:16 | dongs | i doubt youre getting 2 |
06:49:18 | dongs | 1, barely |
06:49:29 | kazukisan | its steady around 1.5 |
06:49:30 | dongs | 12mbit of full-speed max = ~1.3mb/sec |
06:50:00 | kazukisan | ewww fucking spider |
06:50:04 | kazukisan | just came down on my face |
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06:50:50 | Hulex | Hey. |
06:50:52 | Hulex | Sup |
06:51:03 | kazukisan | hey ^_^ |
06:51:03 | Hulex | Holy crap lots of people here. |
06:51:22 | Hulex | My friend introduced me to rockbox |
06:51:31 | kazukisan | its awsome :D |
06:51:38 | Hulex | I just finished installing it |
06:51:52 | Hulex | I imagine it's very much not a "plug and play ready to go" thing |
06:52:11 | Doomed_ | it is |
06:52:13 | kazukisan | uhh should be |
06:52:26 | Doomed_ | really its very very plug, play, ready to go, |
06:52:26 | Hulex | I'm willing to learn but it's hard D: all my iPod music is on there by default, can't figure out how to play it. I.E. where it is |
06:52:45 | Hulex | And as far as like playing videos and stuff, just uploading files to the root of the drive didn't work |
06:53:13 | Doomed_ | rockbox cant play videos afaik |
06:53:27 | Hulex | o.O |
06:53:27 | Doomed_ | ur music should be in some random folders |
06:53:41 | Doomed_ | are u in windows? |
06:53:58 | Hulex | well iPods sort it differently. Everything is in a hidden music folder and has weird numbered filenames |
06:54:04 | Hulex | I'm on a Mac |
06:54:07 | Doomed_ | ah ok |
06:54:22 | Doomed_ | yea its weird |
06:54:56 | Hulex | So uhm |
06:55:09 | Hulex | Do I need to move all my music into like regular folders or what? |
06:55:34 | Hulex | I was hoping to play videos on my iPod photo too :< |
06:55:56 | Doomed_ | u can play videos if u goto the ipod firmware |
06:56:15 | Doomed_ | i dont really know what to do with an ipod as i dont have one |
06:56:22 | Doomed_ | but i no they are hidden in some folder |
06:56:25 | Doomed_ | brb |
06:57:56 | Hulex | if I go to the ipod firmware? |
06:57:57 | Hulex | wha? |
06:59:23 | dongs | so like |
06:59:28 | dongs | current status is: |
06:59:32 | dongs | ipod doesnt play video |
06:59:40 | dongs | if you want to play your itunes files, enable searching in hidden folders |
06:59:45 | dongs | and goto Ipod_Control dir |
06:59:57 | dongs | to go back to apple firmware, hold menu while booting |
07:00 |
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07:00:27 | Harry | hello |
07:01:04 | Harry | hey who knows how to complie here |
07:01:10 | dongs | everyone |
07:01:27 | Harry | can u complie julius build and the |
07:01:38 | Harry | iplay patch for me |
07:01:51 | Harry | i have a 30 gb video |
07:01:55 | dongs | no, that sounds liek a lot of work, and im fucking lazy |
07:02:00 | Harry | please |
07:02:04 | Hulex | dongs I like you already :D |
07:02:10 | Hulex | also, best name XD |
07:02:30 | dongs | setting up crosscompile environment even on lunix takes like 15 minutes |
07:02:33 | dongs | at the most |
07:02:41 | Harry | damit |
07:02:46 | Harry | please |
07:02:47 | Doomed_ | whats julius' site link |
07:03:03 | Harry | i donno its in forums |
07:03:54 | Harry | dongs |
07:04:00 | dongs | wat |
07:04:02 | Harry | i dont need it now |
07:04:02 | Hulex | So stupid question. |
07:04:03 | dongs | you dont even know the url |
07:04:08 | dongs | how can anyone help you |
07:04:12 | Harry | i need like tomorrow |
07:04:15 | Hulex | How close is our advances technology to playing video on ipod color models? |
07:04:16 | dongs | 'need' |
07:04:18 | dongs | then you got plenty of time |
07:04:22 | dongs | Hulex: not even started. |
07:04:27 | Hulex | fuck :( |
07:04:44 | Harry | dongs i dont no how to complie |
07:04:52 | dongs | Harry: youve got until tomorrow to learn |
07:04:52 | Hulex | I'll need to research what it CAN do then :/ |
07:04:59 | dongs | the wiki has it very clear |
07:05:06 | Harry | ... |
07:05:16 | dongs | watch this |
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07:06:01 | Harry | <_< >_> |
07:06:23 | dongs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
07:06:25 | dongs | here you go. |
07:06:31 | Harry | dude wtf |
07:06:38 | dongs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler too |
07:06:40 | dongs | what ddude. |
07:06:43 | Harry | cant u just do it |
07:06:44 | dongs | the time you spent in here asking |
07:06:46 | Harry | please |
07:06:49 | dongs | you would have been on like |
07:06:50 | dongs | step 3 |
07:08:10 | dongs | 14:02 < Doomed_> whats julius' site link |
07:08:10 | dongs | 14:03 < Harry> i donno its in forums |
07:08:13 | dongs | somone tried to help you |
07:08:18 | dongs | and with that kinda answer |
07:08:21 | dongs | makes me not want to help at all |
07:08:24 | Doomed_ | lol |
07:08:38 | Doomed_ | ddint even notice |
07:08:41 | dongs | cuz you know not only are you making me compile shit |
07:08:41 | Hulex | is there any kind of index list of rockbox's features? |
07:08:50 | dongs | youre gonna make me go find the shit to compile |
07:08:51 | dongs | and fuck that. |
07:09:01 | dongs | Hulex: it like, plays music and stuff. |
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07:09:13 | dongs | i think theres somethign in the wiki |
07:09:16 | Hulex | well that's what my iPod does without fancy software :O |
07:09:25 | Hulex | looking |
07:09:31 | dongs | well the big thing is that you can use it without using gaytunes. |
07:09:32 | midkay | Hulex: ignore dongs, he's a recurring idiot.. |
07:10:02 | Hulex | I like him. He's abrasive :3 |
07:10:06 | dongs | hulex: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison |
07:10:10 | midkay | haha. |
07:10:26 | Hulex | Like the kind of people I talk to on 4chan and other such communities |
07:10:34 | Doomed_ | dongs i dont think u should do that think for Harry |
07:10:47 | dongs | Doomed_: i wasnt planning to |
07:11:07 | Doomed_ | good |
07:11:20 | Doomed_ | there is a compiled julius one anyway |
07:11:30 | dongs | i dont even know wtf it is |
07:11:45 | Doomed_ | lol its like an optimized 5g ipod build |
07:11:46 | Hulex | Hmm... |
07:11:51 | dongs | 'optimized'? |
07:11:55 | dongs | did they usea real compiler for it? |
07:11:57 | Doomed_ | i wonder why this hard drive takes 98 |
07:12:00 | Hulex | the idea of gapless playback sounds nice... |
07:12:04 | Doomed_ | but xp wont install |
07:12:11 | Doomed_ | dongs like added features |
07:12:18 | dongs | Doomed_: bad sectors over MFT |
07:12:28 | Doomed_ | what the who? |
07:12:30 | dongs | run manufacturer diagnostic util and check. |
07:12:34 | dongs | < Doomed_> i wonder why this hard drive takes 98 |
07:12:38 | dongs | < Doomed_> but xp wont install |
07:12:38 | Doomed_ | yeah i no |
07:12:43 | Doomed_ | idk what mft |
07:12:44 | Doomed_ | is |
07:12:51 | dongs | NTFS's file allocation table |
07:12:57 | Doomed_ | ah ok |
07:13:05 | Doomed_ | im thinking about getting a new hd |
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07:13:20 | Jungti1234 | hello |
07:13:25 | dongs | Jungti1234: omg hi |
07:13:26 | Jungti1234 | http://www.ihuf.net/board/data/rockbox_qna/er.JPG |
07:13:28 | Jungti1234 | what's mean? |
07:13:29 | Doomed_ | this laptop has been formatted by me a couple times |
07:13:29 | Hulex | Hm o.o |
07:13:40 | Jungti1234 | dongs: long time no see :) |
07:13:42 | Doomed_ | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/ |
07:13:45 | Hulex | I may just stick with my original firmware until I learn this new thingy more |
07:13:45 | dongs | Jungti1234: compile error. |
07:13:48 | Doomed_ | thats the julius ipod thing |
07:13:52 | Jungti1234 | error what? |
07:14:02 | dongs | setmargins() number of arguments is wrong. |
07:14:07 | dongs | on line 446 |
07:14:12 | Jungti1234 | patch file error? |
07:14:14 | Hulex | Certainly sounds like it can do a bit more, but I don't have the time to tool around with it and learn it's whole interface just yet |
07:14:17 | dongs | yes |
07:14:27 | Doomed_ | cya all later |
07:14:36 | Jungti1234 | patch file? |
07:14:39 | Jungti1234 | source file? |
07:14:42 | dongs | Hulex: i think most people jump to it for file playlist support and exotic/gay formats like ogg/flac/etc |
07:14:48 | dongs | Jungti1234: patch is probably too old |
07:14:55 | Jungti1234 | right |
07:15:00 | dongs | Jungti1234: source changed, patch doesnt know howto fix it. |
07:15:03 | Hulex | file playlist... |
07:15:11 | dongs | Hulex: as in, playing directly off the drive |
07:15:17 | dongs | as opposed to using gaytunes to playlist manage |
07:15:26 | Hulex | ah yeah |
07:15:29 | dongs | i fucking hate itunes and the fact that it installs quicktime and a bunch of other faggot shit. |
07:15:35 | Jungti1234 | dongs, but it's no latest version. |
07:15:39 | dongs | so thats why I use rockbox, its not like I have a choice because I'd never install itunes anyway. |
07:15:41 | Doomed_ | i hate itunes |
07:15:53 | Jungti1234 | It's latest version 6/30. |
07:15:58 | Hulex | itunes is kinda annoying |
07:15:58 | dongs | i see |
07:16:05 | dongs | Jungti1234: well then hand fix it |
07:16:05 | Hulex | But I'm on a Mac so kinda backed against a wall there |
07:16:11 | dongs | didnt you see rejects/errors during patching? |
07:16:11 | scorche | when did we let dongs out again? |
07:16:12 | Jungti1234 | What should I do? |
07:16:15 | JdGordon | what button do u use on the ipod to go back to the wps from the file browser? |
07:16:16 | scorche | and who was it? |
07:16:22 | dongs | Jungti1234: look for .rej files and fix it by hand |
07:16:35 | dongs | JdGordon: play |
07:16:38 | dongs | i think |
07:16:47 | dongs | or... |
07:17:00 | Jungti1234 | use simulator.. |
07:17:42 | dongs | Jungti1234: how much is one month of SKY service in kroea (standard channels) satellite |
07:18:00 | Jungti1234 | SKY service? |
07:18:15 | dongs | hold on |
07:18:21 | Jungti1234 | skylife? |
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07:18:25 | dongs | ya |
07:18:28 | Hulex | dongs you live in korea? |
07:18:49 | Jungti1234 | perhaps, no |
07:18:51 | dongs | jesus fuck, 16000W /month for hte HD channel |
07:19:01 | scorche | Hulex: excuse dongs behavior and misinformation...was there something you needed? |
07:19:11 | JdGordon | hahaha |
07:19:14 | scorche | dongs: use decent terms...come on |
07:19:18 | dongs | Jungti1234: seems too expensive, bah |
07:19:46 | Jungti1234 | dongs |
07:19:51 | Jungti1234 | I don't know how many |
07:19:56 | Hulex | haha |
07:19:58 | scorche | Hulex: he is our resident troll who for some odd reason, we dont kick out =) |
07:20:06 | Hulex | scorche, it's fine |
07:20:23 | Hulex | And uhm. |
07:20:35 | Hulex | I don't think I had any specific questions... |
07:20:42 | scorche | i noticed you wanted a feature list?...still do? |
07:20:43 | Hulex | I'm just mad lost and confused D: |
07:20:49 | Hulex | Oh, yeah. |
07:20:49 | scorche | hehe |
07:20:57 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
07:20:57 | Hulex | Video on the iPod color/photo |
07:21:09 | scorche | we do not currently support video |
07:21:12 | Jungti1234 | dongs, very many.. maybe over 600... |
07:21:33 | dongs | hm |
07:21:39 | dongs | Jungti1234: what about the price for basic package |
07:21:45 | dongs | 16000 for SkyHD only sounds like a ripoff |
07:21:51 | Hulex | oh feature list |
07:21:55 | Jungti1234 | 10,000 won |
07:21:55 | Hulex | nevermind misread that |
07:22:01 | dongs | Jungti1234: 10k for basic? ok. |
07:22:11 | scorche | Hulex: see my link above |
07:22:15 | Jungti1234 | 1000 yen. |
07:22:19 | dongs | yea. |
07:22:20 | Hulex | I did |
07:22:39 | dongs | i'll stick to jsut the 5 or so free ones i can get. |
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07:22:43 | scorche | was there anything else? |
07:23:26 | Hulex | I don't think so. |
07:23:26 | dongs | JdGordon: i dont think you cna get back to wps on a ipod once youre in a file browser unless you load a new song |
07:23:35 | Hulex | I jsut need to spend a LOT of time reading over the manual now |
07:23:38 | JdGordon | really? that sux |
07:23:41 | dongs | JdGordon: i just tried some obvious things and it didnt work |
07:23:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Tap play |
07:23:49 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: i did. |
07:23:49 | Hulex | And sticking with my default firmware until I understand this new one more |
07:23:54 | dongs | it didnt do anything |
07:24:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: If you're in the filetree and tap play, it returns to the WPS |
07:24:16 | dongs | but it shows hte 'loading' thing |
07:24:19 | dongs | and just loads the mp3 |
07:24:20 | * | dongs tries again |
07:24:23 | scorche | Hulex: the best way is to dive in...if you are not into that, we do have an html version of the manual as well |
07:24:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: If you've stopped the music, it resumes the last playlist/song |
07:24:39 | Hulex | link? |
07:24:42 | midkay | does Paul_The_Nerd have ops access yet? :\ |
07:24:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | If music is still playing, it returns to the WPS |
07:24:49 | dongs | ah i see. |
07:24:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: The Play button on iPods functions identically to on iRivers in the filetree |
07:25:03 | dongs | yea that works. the loading... window was confusing me i thought it was loading the new song |
07:25:14 | JdGordon | ok, thanx Paul_The_Nerd |
07:25:17 | scorche | Hulex: it is new...let me find it |
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07:25:57 | scorche | Hulex: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
07:26:17 | scorche | didnt notice they put the link right below it =) |
07:26:32 | dongs | i wonder if USB will ever be supported on ipods |
07:26:35 | dongs | probably not. |
07:27:00 | scorche | dongs: is that your way of asking us? |
07:27:06 | dongs | yes. |
07:27:11 | scorche | or you thinking to yourself aloud? |
07:27:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It will be supported if anyone ever figures out how to use the hardware. |
07:27:44 | Hulex | USB on ipods? |
07:27:49 | dongs | yea you know |
07:27:50 | desrt | what does lack of usb support imply? |
07:27:52 | dongs | to copy shit to them |
07:27:52 | Hulex | uhh |
07:28:01 | dongs | now it goes into this failure usb mode in firmware |
07:28:04 | dongs | and has to reboot |
07:28:12 | kazukisan | hmm im getting around 6 mb /sec now dongs |
07:28:21 | Hulex | ...oh I get it |
07:28:22 | dongs | kazukisan: i dont think youre using usb 1.1 then |
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07:28:34 | dongs | Hulex: apple firmware has the usb driver built in so it doesnt reset when you unplug it. |
07:28:41 | desrt | 6MB/s over usb1.1? i doubt it. |
07:29:01 | Hulex | uh |
07:29:07 | Hulex | Not quite sure what you mean |
07:29:11 | Hulex | I'm stoppid sry :( |
07:29:15 | kazukisan | but now with another folder its going around 1 mb or less |
07:29:17 | kazukisan | its weird |
07:29:34 | scorche | lack of usb support means that rockbox cannot transfer over usb...in other words, we just simply use apple's disk mode to transfer |
07:29:44 | kazukisan | oh well later |
07:29:52 | dongs | huhu |
07:30:43 | Hulex | ..ohhh |
07:31:07 | Hulex | yeah kinda noticed that. Except the "Ipod is connected" graphic is different |
07:31:15 | dongs | yea |
07:31:21 | scorche | not a big deal atm...it just would be nice if we used our own implementation of it....i am sure that it will happen eventually |
07:31:28 | dongs | the disk mode firmware has a really ugly grayscale version of it |
07:31:44 | dongs | i mean you drop $200 on a ipod and then load it wiht rockbox and al lyou see is gray |
07:31:49 | Hulex | yeah |
07:32:04 | scorche | dongs: can you please go back to idling? |
07:32:14 | Hulex | haha |
07:32:20 | Hulex | aw c'mon he's not hurting anyone |
07:32:21 | midkay | honestly... Bagder, wake up please. :) |
07:32:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: A) Why does it matter if the USB screen is bloody grayscale. B) Actually, the default theme for Rockbox doesn't include _any_ gray |
07:32:59 | dongs | Paul_The_Nerd: catcher isnt gray? geez dude do you need new eyes? |
07:33:11 | scorche | Hulex: actually, he does...when new people come in here for the first time, and see him spouting off...well...you can get the picture =) |
07:33:14 | midkay | the *DEFAULT* theme. |
07:33:20 | midkay | not "catcher" (iCatcher?). |
07:33:22 | dongs | oh the b&w one? |
07:33:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Do I need to point you to a definition for the word "default" somewhere? |
07:33:29 | midkay | yes, that's what Paul_The_Nerd indicated. |
07:33:35 | dongs | i see |
07:33:40 | dongs | well, that looks pretty gray to me. |
07:33:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: And maybe some new eyes, if you can't tell the difference between light blue and white. |
07:33:42 | dongs | white + black. |
07:33:48 | dongs | light blue?? |
07:33:48 | midkay | it's light blue + black. |
07:33:50 | midkay | not gray in any way.. |
07:33:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's light blue |
07:33:53 | Jungti1234 | ok |
07:33:54 | dongs | catcher? |
07:33:59 | Jungti1234 | thanks, bye |
07:33:59 | dongs | wtf |
07:34:01 | * | dongs goes to look |
07:34:04 | Hulex | scorche: true...but for the most part I can't stand the kind of people that are internet newbs and incredibly sensitive anyway so |
07:34:05 | Hulex | Ya |
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07:34:37 | scorche | Hulex: yes, but that is part of supporting a project |
07:34:42 | elljay | is there a howto on how to remove rockbox entirely from an ipod? |
07:34:49 | midkay | Hulex: i dunno about sensitive, but dongs is just bothersome.. he's been here for probably a month, always starts moaning about something... |
07:34:51 | Hulex | There should be |
07:35:01 | dongs | elljay: run apple firmware, and hten use apple ipod updater to reflash it |
07:35:06 | Hulex | midkay I wouldn't know |
07:35:12 | dongs | (or write back the bootloader you made when you installed rockbox first) |
07:35:14 | midkay | Hulex: no, i guess you wouldn't. |
07:35:26 | scorche | midkay: dont forget all of his misinformation =) |
07:35:29 | midkay | as someone who idles here all the time, i do.. and it's really getting *annoying*. |
07:35:41 | midkay | haha. |
07:35:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | elljay: The simplest method is just to restore it with the apple tool. If you kept your bootpartition.bin file you can write it back (as you wrote rockboot.bin originally) instead, as that won't wipe the files. |
07:35:49 | elljay | nm, i just figured it out |
07:36:02 | dongs | what 'misinformation |
07:36:11 | scorche | and ranting on linux...and how open-source automatically makes things bad |
07:36:35 | elljay | paul; strange thing.. i put on the apple os and firmware.. i cannot hold pause to shut it off.. and it shuts down while i'm updating it via itunes |
07:37:21 | elljay | paul; is that because i didnt go to disk mode before i ran the apple restore utility |
07:37:22 | midkay | dongs: how about calling iCatcher the "default" theme, or then thinking the default theme was black and white?.. |
07:37:27 | midkay | to name two in the past minute or so.. |
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07:37:34 | midkay | scale that up to hours of moaning and you've got a hell of a lost. |
07:37:38 | midkay | list* |
07:37:48 | dongs | midkay: icatcher isnt blue, and neither is the 'default theme'; |
07:38:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | elljay: Any problems with JUST the apple firmware installed are none of our business. Their firmware updater completely destroys and rebuilds the data on the drive, so having had Rockbox on it before can't affect it after you run the restore process. |
07:38:02 | midkay | the "default theme" is *light blue* and *black*. |
07:38:07 | midkay | icatcher isn't default in any way. |
07:38:09 | midkay | wrong on both counts. |
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07:38:54 | rizzo | Hi |
07:39:10 | elljay | hmm.. wonder why itunes disconnects it in the middle of an upload of songs |
07:39:14 | elljay | effing itunes |
07:39:20 | elljay | perhaps i should put rockbox back on ;) |
07:39:26 | Hulex | heh |
07:39:29 | JdGordon | BLAA^DU is the same as (BLAA&(~DU)) isnt it? |
07:39:34 | Hulex | I've had that problem a few times elljay |
07:39:45 | Hulex | I think it might be a weird faulty connection or something |
07:39:47 | elljay | hulex; it happens over and over for me |
07:40:02 | elljay | hulex; same cable,ipod, etc never did that when i was uploading to rockbox |
07:40:05 | rizzo | I know you guys are busy, but anyone else that I have talked to have not had much knowledge about the ipod...even in #ipod |
07:40:08 | Hulex | I have to keep things VERY STILL so it doesn't disconnect while transferring data |
07:40:08 | midkay | dongs: so you don't have a reply to that, apparently.. have you realized how wrong you are in general? willing to leave yet? |
07:40:13 | Hulex | hm |
07:40:19 | elljay | hulex; i sat it on the table ;) |
07:40:24 | dongs | midkay: i do not see blue in default theme. |
07:40:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Do me a favour |
07:40:33 | Hulex | it is very very light blue |
07:40:36 | Hulex | almost white |
07:40:36 | midkay | try it. load rockbox_default from the menu. |
07:40:42 | midkay | Hulex: it's quite clearly light blue for me.. |
07:40:42 | dongs | midkay: i am using it now |
07:40:44 | dongs | i 'reset settings' |
07:40:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: Reset the settings, then go into the LCD settings screen, and copy for use the R G and B values of your listed background color. |
07:40:58 | dongs | j |
07:41:00 | dongs | k |
07:41:10 | Hulex | change background to black and text to green :3 |
07:41:11 | rizzo | Tomorrow, I am going over to a friends house to see why their ipod isnt connecting to the computer correctly; can spare soem tiem to tell me what i can check for? |
07:41:17 | Hulex | that's my favorite look, heh |
07:41:21 | midkay | um.. yeah.... kidding... convincing. right. |
07:41:21 | dongs | lol |
07:41:25 | dongs | 22/49/28 |
07:41:28 | midkay | can he be removed yet? |
07:41:55 | dongs | each time you hate dongs, jesus kills a jew in haifa |
07:42:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | dongs: So, 22/49/28 is CLEARLY not white. |
07:42:13 | dongs | ya thanks for pointing that out. |
07:42:15 | scorche | and quotes like that are very unecessary... |
07:42:18 | dongs | i thought it was a LCD problem |
07:42:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe your LCD? It's light blue for everyone else. |
07:42:37 | dongs | now its a pretty pink color |
07:42:50 | JdGordon | dongs: you really are a turd arnt you? |
07:42:57 | dongs | ?? |
07:43:07 | JdGordon | [15:43:01] <dongs> each time you hate dongs, jesus kills a jew in haifa |
07:43:36 | dongs | you didnt have to repeat it :( |
07:43:44 | scorche | and you didnt have to say it |
07:44:10 | Hulex | Nuke a gay whale for christ? o.o |
07:44:27 | dongs | how do I turn off scrollbar in fileview? |
07:44:32 | dongs | or at least move it to the RIGHT side of the screen |
07:44:39 | dongs | i dont need to be reminded of linux each time i use the ipod |
07:44:51 | midkay | dongs: check the manual. i hope nobody in here feels like helping you when you ask that.. |
07:45:09 | Hulex | sheesh o.o |
07:45:12 | Hulex | chill peoples |
07:45:24 | dongs | i'll just disable scrollbar |
07:45:28 | midkay | where do you think it would be anyways? clearly it's not a playback setting, nor a file view setting.. ah, maybe it's a.. hm.. *display* setting? |
07:45:37 | midkay | um, that's what the setting's for. congratulations. |
07:45:46 | rizzo | I seem to have come in for an argument; especially since i came in here for a non-rockbox question, I can wait for a spare moment :) |
07:45:50 | midkay | disable scrollbar *disables the scroll bar in file view*. a setting that does what it should. insane. |
07:45:54 | dongs | midkay: um, i wanted to have it on the RIGHT side of the screen |
07:45:57 | dongs | where scrollbars usually are |
07:45:59 | dongs | not on the LEFT. |
07:46:04 | dongs | clearly theresnt a setting for that |
07:46:06 | dongs | unless im blind. |
07:46:27 | midkay | you said you wanted to turn it off "or at least move it to the right", implying you'd prefer it off but you'd settle for moving it to the right. |
07:46:34 | scorche | <dongs> how do I turn off scrollbar in fileview? |
07:46:41 | midkay | you are blind considering blue == white, but there is no setting for it, anyways. |
07:46:53 | dongs | so youre saying the scrollbar is always on the left? |
07:46:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I believe so. |
07:47:08 | dongs | am I the only one who thinks thats insane? |
07:47:11 | scorche | on most DAPs as well |
07:47:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
07:48:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | On more than half my DAPs the scrollbar's on the left. |
07:48:31 | JdGordon | dont worry about the last two columns.. but do these key mappings look about right for the ipod for most of the ui? http://pastebin.ca/99293 |
07:49:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Select+Play for exit? |
07:49:39 | dongs | select+menu for exit |
07:50:05 | JdGordon | ok, silly mistake :) i was giong by memory from nevber actually using the ipod |
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07:50:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Exit in what context? What key on the iRiver does the same thing? |
07:50:31 | dongs | what is it for? |
07:50:51 | dongs | on ipod i'd think 'accept' would be mapped to 'select' |
07:50:55 | dongs | the button in the center. |
07:51:02 | dongs | to like do something. |
07:51:03 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: well ye, thats the thing... it needs to be more abrtact.. ive got that as OFF on iriver |
07:51:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: So, the 'stop' button on iRivers? |
07:51:27 | jsMikeS | I put up a patch to set the x5 backlight brightness straight if anyone's interested. :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5712 |
07:51:28 | JdGordon | ye |
07:51:49 | JdGordon | dongs: accept is ON/PLAY on iriver and select is NAVI, im not sure how to translate them to ipod |
07:51:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Because stopping playback is handled with holding Play in WPS. |
07:52:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: The Select button on the iPod functions *exactly* as NAVI on iRiver, everywhere I believe. |
07:52:52 | JdGordon | ok |
07:54:05 | JdGordon | grr... this i tihnk im gonna get rid of the BACK action and just make everywhere use left instead of back.. does that make sense? |
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07:55:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: So you can't stop music outside the WPS in iPod. Also, what if you need to be able to move like, the color slider, left and right, but still go back from the menu? Or the EQ slider? |
07:56:15 | Doomed_ | dongs u here? |
07:56:17 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: ye, the colour slider is gonna need some fancy work, but i still think replaceing all the code and having minor adjustments in a few places is better than what we have now |
07:56:20 | dongs | Doomed_: hi |
07:56:24 | Doomed_ | hi |
07:56:38 | Doomed_ | got a question about what u said before with mpt |
07:56:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: I just don't think there's a compelling case for not having a "Back" option. |
07:56:43 | dongs | mft |
07:56:45 | dongs | yea |
07:56:47 | JdGordon | is play (ipod) roughly equiv to play on iriver? |
07:56:58 | Doomed_ | if the drive is fat32, would this still apply |
07:57:14 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: well, the back is really the same as left in 99% of the cases, isnt it? |
07:57:15 | dongs | it *should* install on fat32 generally. at least thats been my experience. |
07:57:25 | dongs | Doomed_: have you downloaded + ran manufacturer boot floppy to diagnose the drive yet? |
07:57:25 | JdGordon | back as in up one level, not back as in quit |
07:57:34 | Doomed_ | yeah i think im calling this drive stupid |
07:57:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: It's identical except that a very long press powers down, and a long press in-WPS stops playback. |
07:57:42 | Doomed_ | i dont have the floppy drive on me |
07:57:51 | JdGordon | cheers |
07:57:52 | dongs | most have cd images to boot from |
07:57:53 | Doomed_ | so i cant get anything floppy from dell |
07:58:01 | * | JdGordon hopes he isnt annoying everyone with these q's |
07:58:04 | Doomed_ | dell inspiron 3700 |
07:58:21 | dongs | who makes hte hdd |
07:58:25 | dongs | pc maker is irrelevant |
07:58:29 | dongs | i'd guess ibm or toshiba |
07:58:32 | Doomed_ | erm...ibm |
07:58:35 | Doomed_ | travelstar |
07:58:36 | dongs | http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm |
07:58:41 | dongs | get the 'DFT' cd image |
07:58:45 | * | jsMikeS thinks JdGordon couldn't be worse than he is. |
07:59:03 | dongs | run that on the drive |
07:59:07 | JdGordon | by everyone, i really only meant Paul_The_Nerd :) |
07:59:07 | dongs | if it finds errors, wlel, trash it. |
07:59:32 | dongs | if not, you could use that same utility for lowlevel format it and then re-partition and try installing again. |
07:59:49 | Doomed_ | i think i have it on the hiren's boot disc |
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08:01:35 | Doomed_ | wow its clicking |
08:02:26 | JdGordon | Paul_The_Nerd: last one.. short play is the same as iriver play, long play is the same as iriver stop ? that good? |
08:03:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: Actually, in filetree long-play does nothing (on iRiver you can use stop to halt playback), and very-long play shuts down. |
08:03:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, gotta be careful about hold-times I guess. |
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08:04:11 | JdGordon | thats odd.. if long does nothing why bother with vert long? |
08:04:15 | JdGordon | (rhetorical) |
08:05:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, if you're in WPS, long stops playback, and very-long shuts down. I think it's so the time to hold Play to shut down is constant. |
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08:06:00 | JdGordon | ah ok |
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08:06:14 | JdGordon | that can be easily managed by the calling code so no big deal |
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08:13:42 | Doomed | im trying every which way to get around not buying a new hd lol |
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08:20:21 | grimman | Morning all. |
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08:22:29 | dongs | Doomed: youre not gonna get very far with that |
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08:26:57 | amiconn | JdGordon: Don't care about very-long presses. These only exist on some targets, and only for the purpose of shutting down. |
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08:27:29 | Krono6 | hi everyone, can someone help me please? ;-; |
08:27:33 | amiconn | On targets where they exist, the very-long press is handled in button.c and sends SYS_POWEROFF, which is handled in the default event handler |
08:27:39 | Krono6 | big problem, and I'm basically scared poopless right now |
08:27:44 | JdGordon | amiconn: righto |
08:28:55 | dongs | Krono6: just ask. do not ask to ask. but, chances are, you fucked up and cant be helped. |
08:29:16 | Krono6 | I spent since 8PM yesterday (almost 7:30AM now) getting Linux installed, got Rockbox too, though I wanted to uninstall it, get my iPod just like it was, but there's a problem. Everytime I do anything, put any songs, I go into Disk Mode, go back to normal mode and everything's gone, like it didn't save a thing |
08:29:21 | Krono6 | all the settings, never save |
08:29:46 | dongs | hrm |
08:29:52 | dongs | by 'settings' you mean files? |
08:29:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | Krono6: All the in-Rockbox or in-Apple settings? |
08:30:05 | Krono6 | I done a LOT of research on this, I even read through the chat logs, opened "Swiss Knife" to format, not sure if it'd work |
08:30:14 | Krono6 | the settings like, turn off the clicker |
08:30:27 | dongs | sounds like apple firmware |
08:30:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do you currently have Rockbox installed? |
08:30:30 | Krono6 | and I don't have Rockbox anymore, I tried getting rid of it, no boot loader, nothing |
08:30:31 | dongs | rockbox doesnt click |
08:30:41 | dongs | use the appple restore tool thingy |
08:30:44 | dongs | to delete * |
08:30:45 | Krono6 | clicker in the Apple OS |
08:30:49 | Krono6 | used the Apple Restore, no worky |
08:30:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then contact apple |
08:31:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Once the Apple restore has been run, if you're still having problems it's bugs in their software. |
08:31:12 | dongs | sounds liek a trip to RMA department |
08:31:32 | Krono6 | will they ask questions because, well, I'm in the UK and my mum bought me the iPod from the US |
08:31:46 | dongs | shouldnt matter if you registered it or whatever |
08:31:47 | Krono6 | I didn't want that volume cap thing >.> |
08:31:51 | Krono6 | oh, right |
08:32:13 | Krono6 | thanks for your help guys.. Though one more question before I call Apple, do you think it could be the Linux Partition? |
08:32:25 | Krono6 | I followed some step to boot into Slax from the iPod Linux forums, all that |
08:32:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you ran the restore, and haven't done anything since, there shouldn't be a linux partition,. |
08:32:37 | dongs | lunix partition on ipod? |
08:32:39 | dongs | omfg |
08:32:45 | dongs | yes, what he said |
08:32:49 | dongs | restore should have wiped it |
08:33:51 | Krono6 | oh dear, well I'll try this Swiss Knife at first, I haven't actually had a full format successful to be honest (HP tool and Windows said volume was too big) but yeah, I'll try that then phone Apple |
08:34:17 | Krono6 | thanks everyone, I'll let you guys know if I found a solution, I'm sure I'm not the only person who's had this problem XD |
08:34:23 | dongs | Krono6: use the apple restore tool |
08:34:28 | dongs | wtf is the swiss army knife shit. |
08:34:33 | Krono6 | tried that Dongs |
08:34:34 | * | jsMikeS is thinking someone could send him some good fridge magnets. :) |
08:34:39 | dongs | use the tool to do the 3rd or whatever level of restore that wipes all |
08:35:05 | Krono6 | you're talking about the Apple Restore thing that comes with the CD, right? |
08:35:13 | Krono6 | I have a 60GB 5G, btw |
08:35:24 | dongs | ipod updater(?) i think has it in the menu option. |
08:35:32 | dongs | i know ive seen it once. |
08:35:38 | dongs | and it had different levels of restore |
08:35:52 | Krono6 | only had one on mine :S |
08:36:02 | Krono6 | just one button named "Restore" |
08:36:11 | dongs | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60983 |
08:36:39 | dongs | yeah i see. hm i wonder where i saw the other stuff |
08:36:57 | dongs | so you did that and it didnt work? |
08:37:05 | grimman | dongs: Two "levels". Update and Restore. |
08:37:14 | Krono6 | yeah, didn't work |
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08:37:30 | RancidLM | hey all |
08:38:05 | Krono6 | hey |
08:38:13 | RancidLM | i wanna uninstall rockbox to try ipod linux but just woundering how to safely remove rockbox |
08:38:43 | RancidLM | i made a backup of it orginally using cat dev/sdb > ipod_orig.img |
08:39:01 | RancidLM | can i re-cat it back from the image or will the boot loader be messed? |
08:39:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: The easiest way to remove rockbox is to just DD the bootpartition.bin back on. |
08:39:04 | scorche | ipl and rockbox can coexist |
08:39:26 | scorche | but, you would have to re-format anyway... |
08:39:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: You don't *have* to. |
08:39:46 | RancidLM | can i re image my ipod? |
08:39:46 | scorche | well..partition at least |
08:39:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
08:40:07 | RancidLM | so just cat ipod_orig.img > /dev/sdb |
08:40:24 | RancidLM | then reset it.. that should do the trick? |
08:40:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
08:41:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | I honestly can't promise you that will work. I mean, there aren't warning lights going off in my head, but I can only recommend methods I'm 100% certain work. |
08:41:45 | RancidLM | what method would that b e? |
08:41:59 | RancidLM | dd the boot partition eh |
08:42:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | The very first step of the install process is dd if=/dev/sdb of=bootpartition.bin |
08:42:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | As long as you kept that as is suggested, you can put it back and you're set. |
08:42:40 | grimman | Hm... any reason you guys know of I'm reading stuff off my iPod in 3.9 kbytes / sec? |
08:43:08 | JdGordon | only connected at usb 1.1 speed? |
08:43:15 | JdGordon | with a dodgey cable? |
08:43:18 | grimman | I write at 4-5 megs. |
08:43:24 | JdGordon | and a dead hdd? |
08:43:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: It hates you? |
08:43:52 | grimman | So far I think Paul_The_Nerd has gotten closest to the truth. *sigh* |
08:45:46 | midkay | haha. |
08:47:11 | grimman | Gah, it's so slow I can't even cancel the transfer. |
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08:50:19 | RancidLM | Paul_The_Nerd: sdb is the main drive shouldn't i be sdb1'ing the boot loader? |
08:50:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sorry, sdb1 |
08:50:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | You are correct. |
08:50:46 | RancidLM | thnx |
08:51:37 | RancidLM | umm dood the command you gave me overwrote my original bootpartition.bin |
08:51:45 | RancidLM | :S |
08:52:31 | RancidLM | suggestions? |
08:52:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | I didn't tell you to run that command. |
08:52:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | I said that's the command you did during the installation... |
08:52:55 | RancidLM | oops miss read ur line |
08:52:58 | RancidLM | :S |
08:53:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Go ahead 'n try your way. It ought to work, I think. |
08:53:15 | RancidLM | oh well i can't brick thing can i? |
08:53:23 | JdGordon | im getting syntax error before { on the line "static struct ButtonItem DefaultButtons[] {" ? |
08:53:26 | RancidLM | i just reset it |
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08:54:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah, the worst you can do is just require using the Restore tool |
08:54:35 | RancidLM | not fun when using linux but oh well :S |
08:54:59 | elljay | ugh.. why is itunes takng 100% of my cpu just to download a podcast |
08:55:03 | elljay | i hate the itunes |
08:55:08 | RancidLM | the cat restore seems to be working..just gonna take a while (1.9GB) |
08:55:13 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: did we ever figure out if the ipod updater/restore worked through wine? |
08:55:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | elljay: Don't bother complaining about iTunes in here. One of the nice things about Rockbox is you don't need to use iTunes at all, ever, with it. |
08:55:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: No clue |
08:55:43 | elljay | does rockbox support podcasts? or video? |
08:55:47 | scorche | no |
08:55:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | Podcasts are all just audio files anyway. |
08:56:00 | scorche | audio podcasts, it will play of course |
08:56:30 | elljay | i'll prob end up installing rockbox again after i get annoyed with apple's lame software |
08:56:40 | elljay | i got pist at rockbox cuz i'd hit pause |
08:56:43 | elljay | and nothing would happen |
08:56:48 | elljay | then i'd hit it again, nothing |
08:56:57 | elljay | hold down pause.. then it would pause |
08:57:00 | elljay | then play |
08:57:02 | elljay | then shut down |
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08:57:20 | elljay | the IO for a video ipod seems very.. SLOW |
08:57:28 | * | JdGordon is stumped :p |
08:57:30 | elljay | never had that problem with my nano |
08:57:52 | elljay | me too |
08:57:56 | elljay | i'd hit the button |
08:57:57 | elljay | nothing |
08:58:01 | elljay | then i'd hit it for longer |
08:58:06 | elljay | eventually it would register |
08:58:19 | elljay | hold down pause for at least 2seconds before it would respond |
08:58:28 | elljay | very annoying |
08:59:21 | elljay | rabble rabble |
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09:01:01 | elljay | i have a retarded video 30g ipod |
09:01:10 | elljay | i'm sure it's just my unit |
09:01:16 | elljay | this fucker has been a misfit since i bought it |
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09:02:05 | grimman | My computer's retarded, that's what caused the transfer rates. My father's computer (a mismanaged Dell) transfered 800 megs in 2 minutes according to the crude timekeeping Windows Explorer offers. |
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09:09:50 | scorche | grimman: made sure that your comp has the higher speed USB enabled in bios? |
09:10:20 | grimman | I can still _write_ faster than USB 1.1. |
09:10:38 | scorche | tried a different port? |
09:10:58 | grimman | Apart from on a whole other computer, no. |
09:11:02 | grimman | But I will. |
09:11:22 | scorche | tried a different OS either? (even livecd will do) |
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09:17:48 | grimman | No. |
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09:18:19 | grimman | I could try some random Linux CD I guess, I have a million of those. But this windows install is pretty weird as it is, plus it runs on semi shoddy hardware. |
09:18:34 | grimman | The mobo isn't what it should be. ;P |
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09:20:35 | Krono6 | Ubuntu lets you order free CDs from their site, I still have 44 of them in my room. Well, CD Packs, with one Live CD and one Install |
09:20:44 | Krono6 | got to me in just over a week, which was fast |
09:22:32 | grimman | I have a few of those myself. |
09:23:02 | grimman | It still amazes me how many I got in comparison to how many I ordered. |
09:23:26 | amiconn | LinusN: I was working on the same problem, but with a slightly different approach... |
09:23:59 | LinusN | ok, what was your approach? |
09:25:26 | amiconn | I cleaned up settings.h a bit more (removed the misleading DEFAULT_CONTRAST_SETTING altogether) and removed lcd_default_contrast() and the whole contrast handlingfor colour targets except x5 |
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09:26:16 | kurzhaarrocker | moin |
09:26:30 | amiconn | hi kurzhaarrocker |
09:26:49 | amiconn | kurzhaarrocker: What about the 'dictaphone' trigger mode? |
09:26:52 | amiconn | ;) |
09:27:17 | kurzhaarrocker | *blush* I was just about to apologize for that |
09:27:46 | * | JdGordon just converted all the list/menu button code to my new system and it works :) |
09:28:55 | RancidLM | any one here get doom working? |
09:29:04 | kurzhaarrocker | I tried the parametric eq on a iriver h120 today. Especially the high shelf band doesn't seem to work as expected. Is that a known issue? |
09:29:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: cool |
09:29:13 | RancidLM | i got the wad rescued from my old floppy's but what do i do it it..? |
09:29:32 | LinusN | amiconn: want me to revert my fix? |
09:29:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | RancidLM: See the PluginDoom wiki page. |
09:29:58 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: no, that is not a known issue |
09:30:25 | amiconn | Nah, leave it in. I still need to check whether my solution compiles for all relevant combinations |
09:30:35 | LinusN | ok |
09:30:43 | * | amiconn thinks it might break some sims |
09:30:47 | kurzhaarrocker | It seems to me that especially when you want to boost the high band it in fact mutes it, LinusN |
09:31:11 | LinusN | could it be an overflow? |
09:31:18 | LinusN | did you adjust the prescaler? |
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09:31:25 | kurzhaarrocker | RancidLM: I downloaded the *.wad files as linked from the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom. They worked. |
09:31:31 | kurzhaarrocker | I'll try, LinusN |
09:34:50 | kurzhaarrocker | No, reducing the volume with the "Precut" just lowered the volume, but doesn't affect the sound. |
09:36:52 | LinusN | badness |
09:38:20 | LinusN | hmmm, boosting the high band works for me |
09:38:47 | LinusN | which platform? |
09:38:57 | kurzhaarrocker | iriver h120 |
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09:39:15 | LinusN | just tried on my x5 and it sounds fine |
09:39:31 | LinusN | what are your F and Q? |
09:40:16 | dan_a_away | JdGordon: Just seen about your list/menu code. If you've got a patch, I'll test it on my iPod tonight |
09:40:20 | kurzhaarrocker | F:1500 Q: 1 , But they don't infulence the problem |
09:40:34 | kurzhaarrocker | (they seem to work as expected) |
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09:40:48 | LinusN | your high band is 1500?!! |
09:40:57 | JdGordon | dan_a_away: great :) i have a few minor bugs which im trying to figure out before i make a patch |
09:41:01 | kurzhaarrocker | 15000 |
09:41:05 | kurzhaarrocker | sorry |
09:42:09 | Slasheri | ah, playlist submenu for tagcache enabled :) |
09:42:20 | JdGordon | w00t Slasheri |
09:42:33 | Slasheri | changes are in cvs already |
09:42:38 | JdGordon | amiconn: you said the button driver handled the long off for the shutdown ye? |
09:42:38 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: still sounds fine here, with 15000/1.0 |
09:42:51 | kurzhaarrocker | I correct myself: with higher Q settings the problem becomes worse. |
09:43:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, higher Q means a narrower band is affected... |
09:43:28 | dan_a_away | JdGordon: OK |
09:43:41 | dan_a_away | anyway, time for work. |
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09:43:51 | kurzhaarrocker | Paul_The_Nerd: But the high band is supposed to be a shelf filter |
09:43:55 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: at 15000 i think 0.5 is more sensible |
09:44:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | kurzhaarrocker: True, but you're not supposed to change the Q from the default on the shelves. |
09:44:48 | amiconn | Iirc the high shelf and low shelf should always have Q=0.7 according to preglow |
09:45:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
09:45:09 | kurzhaarrocker | You're right, LinusN. But when I set extrem Q values like 5 the gain works nearly invers -> reducing the gain increases the high band. |
09:45:37 | amiconn | Q>0.7 makes the transfer function overshoot |
09:45:43 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: so you're saying "when i set ridiculous values, it sounds bad" |
09:45:52 | LinusN | hardly surprising :-) |
09:46:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | Especially ridiculous values of something you shouldn't really be changing. ;) |
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09:47:05 | kurzhaarrocker | Wether it sounds bad or not ist not my point. But inverting the gain when Q is set to stupid values is strange. |
09:47:06 | amiconn | LinusN: Your fix did what I am testing mine for before commit: RED x5 sim... |
09:47:08 | LinusN | well, if you aren't supposed to change it, why is it allowed in the gui? |
09:47:16 | LinusN | amiconn: haha |
09:47:42 | LinusN | amiconn: should i fix it, or will you? |
09:47:45 | amiconn | Well, you can change Q if you know what you're doing... |
09:48:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | kurzhaarrocker: Out of curiosity, are you sure that isn't normal behaviour of similar filters at ridiculous values? |
09:48:56 | kurzhaarrocker | I never had that effect when working with audo worksations, Paul_The_Nerd |
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09:49:45 | kurzhaarrocker | (and then I had use of extreme Q settings to separate the cymbals from the snare in drum tracks) |
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09:50:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Was that extreme Q on a shelf using a similar type to the one Rockbox uses though? |
09:50:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm just saying, it may be something wonky in the nature of the algorithm. But definitely something that should be looked at at least. |
09:53:52 | kurzhaarrocker | With extreme Q settings shelf filters tend do generate slight boost peaks near the filter frequency. But still boosting the band really boosts it and reducing the gain does reduce that band. |
09:55:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | If there were a peak near the filter frequency, and it were rolling over, wouldn't that be somewhat similar to what you described hearing then? |
09:55:14 | RancidLM | gnight all! |
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09:55:48 | JdGordon | grrr.. stupid tree wont let the h300 turn off :'( |
09:56:00 | JdGordon | instead it decides to kill itself as soon as u go back to the wps |
09:58:09 | JdGordon | that was an easy fix :) |
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10:00:09 | amiconn | LinusN: I'm not sure about the fix yet. |
10:00:14 | kurzhaarrocker | Paul_The_Nerd: You might be right. |
10:00:25 | amiconn | With target_tree, the target code isn't built for the sim afaiu |
10:00:50 | amiconn | So the question is how precise we want the simulators to be |
10:01:07 | LinusN | yes it is, if you edit SOURCES |
10:01:25 | amiconn | The simple solution would be to code a generic lcd_default_contrast() for all sims |
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10:02:10 | amiconn | LinusN: Hmm, but do you think it's a good idea to build the whole lcd_x5.c for the sim just for lcd_default_contrast() ? |
10:02:19 | LinusN | maybe not |
10:03:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | kurzhaarrocker: In which case, if you lowered the precut by the same amount you increased the band, you'd *probably* achieve the affect you wanted. Maybe. |
10:03:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or maybe a little more than you raised it. |
10:03:17 | amiconn | That would become even more ugly when some more targets are converted to use target_tree |
10:03:23 | LinusN | i just meant that the target tree code can be compiled in the sims |
10:04:04 | amiconn | It reintroduces #ifdef to the driver code |
10:04:18 | LinusN | it does? |
10:04:47 | amiconn | At least #ifndef SIMULATOR ... #endif |
10:05:02 | LinusN | that's hard to avoid |
10:05:39 | amiconn | Well, it is avoidable, if code in firmware/target/ is _never_ compiled for the sims |
10:05:54 | LinusN | but targets are different |
10:06:00 | LinusN | even when simulated |
10:06:21 | amiconn | Yes, but that's code outside firmware/target/ |
10:06:36 | amiconn | (so far) |
10:07:07 | LinusN | power-x5.c has simulator stubs in it |
10:07:15 | amiconn | hmm... |
10:07:29 | linuxstb | Would a uisimulator/target/ tree be any help? |
10:07:59 | amiconn | I thought the main idea behind target_tree was to cut down #ifdef hell |
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10:08:07 | kurzhaarrocker | Paul_The_Nerd: No, i believe that it's my deafness for high frequencies combined with the natural behaviour of shelf filters with high Q. I only noticed that a frequency band lower than the filter frequency was attentuated. I didn't hear the boost of the high frequency because I'm probably deaf for them. A rocker at an age of 35 can not hear that high frequency at all :( |
10:08:28 | LinusN | amiconn: yes, but only the #ifdef TARGET hell, not the #ifdef SIMULATOR hell |
10:08:39 | amiconn | Btw, I'm still not sure how to handle target code for more than one target, but not all targets of an architecture |
10:09:11 | amiconn | (example: lcd code for all bitmapped archoses) |
10:09:25 | LinusN | amiconn: that would probably require #ifdefs in SOURCES |
10:09:36 | amiconn | AH, hmm |
10:10:05 | LinusN | SOURCES is where you ultimately decide what code to compile for each target |
10:10:30 | JdGordon | does anyone have any idea why the system pauses at the initial loading screen instead of going to the wps or tree after changes to the tree button loop? (which i cant see how it affects it)? |
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10:11:05 | LinusN | JdGordon: patch? |
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10:11:35 | JdGordon | almost |
10:12:05 | LinusN | perhaps you forgot the _w_tmo? |
10:12:20 | LinusN | in tree.c |
10:13:03 | JdGordon | nope, its wierd, because if any button gets pressed it will then goto the wps, but it will just sit saying loading untill something is pressed |
10:13:21 | LinusN | gdb is your friend |
10:14:01 | JdGordon | no its not.. button.c isnt compiled for the sim.. so i have to move everything into another file first, which is a pain :p |
10:14:10 | kurzhaarrocker | Grrr. Now I'm convinced that the eq is correct. I need a fix for my ears. Is there anything in the patch tracker? |
10:14:14 | LinusN | JdGordon: i see |
10:14:23 | JdGordon | patch is jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_changes.patch |
10:14:56 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: http://www.rockbox.org/flyspray/fix_tinnitus.patch |
10:15:44 | kurzhaarrocker | lol |
10:16:16 | amiconn | kurzhaarrocker: You need a fix at 15000Hz? |
10:16:24 | elljay | i pity the foo |
10:16:41 | * | LinusN needs a fix :-/ |
10:16:58 | * | amiconn is still annoyed by old TV sets tweeting at the line frequency |
10:16:59 | elljay | i need a fix myself but i doubt rockbox has it in it |
10:17:06 | kurzhaarrocker | It's been a while since I checked my hearing. |
10:18:45 | * | amiconn could also hear the "adult proof" ringtone XavierGr posted a link to a while ago |
10:19:20 | elljay | ahh that high tone? |
10:19:23 | kurzhaarrocker | hahah! I was just searching for that! |
10:19:35 | elljay | you have a url? |
10:19:41 | kurzhaarrocker | <- deaf and slow |
10:20:07 | kurzhaarrocker | Must work now, see you later. |
10:20:09 | elljay | i'm 26 and i can hear the tone just fine |
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10:22:04 | * | amiconn is 35 |
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10:22:42 | * | scorche fails to find the link |
10:25:54 | LinusN | scorche: your eyesight is also affected by age :-) |
10:26:38 | scorche | my eyes are not the besy... |
10:26:42 | scorche | best even |
10:26:54 | * | scorche wonders if his idiocy is showing |
10:28:14 | * | amiconn curses cygwin slowness |
10:28:27 | scorche | LinusN: wanna pm me with what i am missing out on so i retain a tiny bit of decency in the eyes of my adoring throng? |
10:32:30 | LinusN | scorche: i don't know what amiconn is talking about either :-) |
10:33:16 | scorche | or everyone else who has heard this high pitched n oise and xaviergr had somethign to do with? |
10:33:17 | amiconn | LinusN: What about putting lcd_default_contrast() (for x5) in lcd-16bit.c ? |
10:33:36 | amiconn | scorche: XavierGr just posted the link |
10:33:44 | midkay | fix_tinnitus.patch. HAHA. |
10:34:12 | LinusN | amiconn: doesn't feel target-tree'ish |
10:34:13 | amiconn | It was about a high pitched ringtone (17kHz) which teenagers believe(d) adults can't hear |
10:34:15 | scorche | amiconn: where/when? |
10:35:13 | Bg3r | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildap7.html#x16-204000G <= has anyone looked at the html's source... |
10:35:46 | amiconn | LinusN: No it doesn't, but it's the simplest solution if we want to keep the target default values for the respective targets and not compile additional files |
10:35:53 | scorche | Bg3r: om...wow... |
10:36:27 | LinusN | amiconn: what additional files? |
10:36:52 | amiconn | I tried moving lcd_default_contrast() for ipods from lcd-2bit-horz.c to lcd-ipod.c (where it would belong, as lcd-ipod.c is the beginning of what you took further with traget tree) and get the same problem as with the x5 sim |
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10:37:15 | scorche | amiconn: ??....i have searched like 5 days back for anything related to xavier... |
10:37:23 | amiconn | lcd-ipod.c isn't compiled for the sims as is lcd-x5.c |
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10:37:59 | amiconn | scorche: (1) This was way further back; I guess in May. (2) For some reason it doesn't seem to be in the logs... |
10:38:11 | scorche | oh... |
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10:38:59 | * | scorche googles |
10:39:18 | scorche | ow..... |
10:39:36 | midkay | you didn't google you cheapo. |
10:39:38 | midkay | i LINKED you. |
10:39:45 | scorche | liar... |
10:40:05 | scorche | me googling and someone else googleing... |
10:40:07 | scorche | same thing |
10:40:12 | scorche | googling by proxy |
10:40:24 | midkay | liar. |
10:40:27 | * | scorche notices his irregular spelling of googling |
10:40:40 | scorche | but really....ow |
10:40:43 | midkay | (1:35:38 AM) midkay: it's not there. |
10:40:43 | midkay | (1:36:05 AM) «ScorchE» Blah.: no... |
10:40:43 | midkay | (1:36:13 AM) midkay: sigh, just google for it. |
10:40:43 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK midkay |
10:40:43 | midkay | (1:36:18 AM) «ScorchE» Blah.: no!@!! |
10:40:43 | midkay | (1:37:29 AM) midkay: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/audio/nyregion/20060610_RINGTONE.mp3 |
10:40:44 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
10:40:44 | midkay | (1:37:35 AM) midkay: hurts my ears. |
10:40:46 | midkay | (1:37:40 AM) «ScorchE» Blah.: eek! |
10:40:57 | midkay | everyone shall decide for his or herself whether or not scorche googled or just used the provided url. |
10:40:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
10:41:00 | scorche | we made an agreement... |
10:41:04 | midkay | no we didn't. |
10:41:07 | scorche | <scorche> googling by proxy |
10:41:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | Ow |
10:41:21 | midkay | and i can break it if you're LYING about something this important. if we had an agreement. |
10:41:25 | midkay | my ears are bleeding. |
10:41:28 | scorche | enough spam!!!....take this to messenger mister! |
10:41:32 | midkay | haha. |
10:42:07 | scorche | but really....ow |
10:43:47 | sharpe | hooray. |
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10:46:45 | midkay | hm. interesting how blissful silence always follows sharpe's random comments. |
10:47:04 | midkay | now i know the trick to getting peace and quiet around here. |
10:47:19 | midkay | a doggy biscuit every now and then to induce a random statement or phrase, and there goes half an hour of loveliness. |
10:48:01 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
10:48:01 | * | man_in_shack waves |
10:48:16 | midkay | silence indeed. *waves back* |
10:48:21 | man_in_shack | :) |
10:48:29 | midkay | i think that .. noise.. gave me a stomachache. gah. |
10:48:40 | midkay | i've felt quite sick since i listened to it. |
10:48:45 | man_in_shack | :| |
10:48:49 | man_in_shack | what noise? |
10:48:54 | midkay | http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/audio/nyregion/20060610_RINGTONE.mp3 |
10:48:58 | scorche | dont do it |
10:49:01 | scorche | it hurts |
10:49:05 | man_in_shack | :| |
10:49:12 | scorche | it really does... |
10:49:13 | midkay | some 17khz or something cellphone "ringtone" that some adults supposedly can't hear so kids are using it or something. |
10:49:18 | scorche | my ears are still ringing from it |
10:49:22 | midkay | my ears must be bleeding. |
10:49:33 | man_in_shack | umm |
10:49:51 | man_in_shack | maybe adults > 40 |
10:49:57 | midkay | something like that, yes. |
10:50:06 | midkay | some adults can't hear it, i guess most old-old ones can't.. |
10:50:14 | man_in_shack | indeed |
10:50:34 | man_in_shack | and the kids using it now likely won't be able to hear it by the time they're 25 |
10:50:40 | midkay | it sucks anyways. |
10:50:44 | man_in_shack | 8) |
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10:50:47 | midkay | so.. quiet and.. who'd USE IT? it's painful. :) |
10:53:57 | Bg3r | midkay: children @ school ? :) |
10:54:13 | midkay | Bg3r: retarded ones then. it's painful and quiet and half the adults can hear it anyways. :) |
10:54:30 | midkay | not worth the small, potential reward. |
10:55:25 | amiconn | Ugh... the DeliPlayer mp3 decoder doesn't decode the 17kHz sound (!) Mediaplayer does |
10:56:50 | barrywardell | is anyone here able to authorize me for write access to the wiki? |
10:59:56 | JdGordon | why isnt it letting me make the struct static if its decleared in the .h as extern? |
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11:00:15 | JdGordon | it was working fine like this wehn it was all in button.[ch] |
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11:05:12 | safetydan | Anyone got a decent implementation of floating point number printing function lying around? |
11:05:58 | man_in_shack | safetydan, suppose you don't want to use printf 8) |
11:06:22 | amiconn | JdGordon: extern and static are mutually exclusive |
11:06:34 | safetydan | man_in_shack, I could... but printf in rockbox doesn't support double/float |
11:06:42 | man_in_shack | ahh |
11:06:46 | man_in_shack | ok then |
11:06:59 | amiconn | safetydan: Why do you need float? |
11:07:01 | safetydan | oh, and while I'm at it, anyway to tell gcc/ld *not* to link libm? |
11:07:13 | JdGordon | amiconn: why was it working like that when it was extern struct blaa in buttons.h and static struct ... in button.c? |
11:07:19 | linuxstb | safetydan: Don't use any libm functions... |
11:07:24 | safetydan | amiconn, working on porting a newlib's libm to Rockbox plugin library so I can create an astronomy related plugin |
11:07:56 | grimman | If it hasn't already been discussed, is there anyway to turn off the display when the iPod (in my case) is locked? |
11:08:42 | amiconn | JdGordon: Well, you can decalre it as extern struct, but if you define it as static, you can still only use it in the file where it's defined |
11:08:57 | amiconn | That's one of the purposes of using static... |
11:09:01 | JdGordon | ok |
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11:10:17 | Slasheri | JdGordon: you don't need normally to use extern in the .h (only in some special cases) |
11:10:36 | amiconn | Slasheri: For variables it's necessary... |
11:10:45 | amiconn | For functions, 'extern' is the default |
11:11:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | grimman: You could create a WPS without a backdrop, a white background color, that alternates to completely textless when hold is on, and it would look like the LCD is off. :-P |
11:11:49 | Slasheri | yes, true.. |
11:12:25 | Slasheri | but normally it's better to have some function api to use the variables than to use then directly from external sources |
11:12:33 | Slasheri | *them |
11:12:56 | * | man_in_shack wonders if building his own mp3 player would be feasable |
11:13:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | man_in_shack: If I recall someone came in here who did that once, and was using a modified build of Rockbox on it. |
11:13:44 | Slasheri | man_in_shack: could be, it just requires much of time to design the pcb, select components and port software to it |
11:13:51 | man_in_shack | :) |
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11:14:05 | linuxstb | man_in_shack: I'm guessing it's cheaper to buy one ready-built, rather than buying individual components.... Unless of course you have a cupboard full of bits and pieces. |
11:14:06 | man_in_shack | i'd like to design one some time |
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11:14:53 | Slasheri | if i would design one, probably i would select coldfire chip for it because that should be quite easy to deploy and rockbox already supports it |
11:15:03 | man_in_shack | yeah i'm also thinking coldfire |
11:15:12 | Slasheri | :) |
11:15:23 | linuxstb | No, buy a PortalPlayer chip and get the docs... |
11:15:31 | linuxstb | (or maybe 1m PP chips...) |
11:15:33 | man_in_shack | heh |
11:15:50 | Slasheri | hardest thing could be to find the lcd and some box for the unit |
11:16:01 | Slasheri | and ata/usb bridge |
11:16:04 | man_in_shack | wish i bought that gameboy :D |
11:16:19 | man_in_shack | i wanted to put an mp3 player w hdd in an old gameboy case |
11:18:34 | LinusN | i doubt that the player manufacturer gets the PP data sheets either |
11:19:01 | grimman | man_in_shack: But they're huge... |
11:19:23 | linuxstb | Whose idea was it to support ipods anyway? We should stay away from those things. |
11:19:33 | man_in_shack | grimman, yeah, but it gives me room to fiddle |
11:19:45 | man_in_shack | and i could put a commonly-available hdd in it |
11:19:49 | man_in_shack | like a consumer level hdd |
11:19:49 | grimman | linuxstb: Don't be like that. Without iPod support I wouldn't be here. ;) |
11:20:00 | man_in_shack | instead of a special mp3 player sized one |
11:20:07 | grimman | man_in_shack: Weeeeeell... 2.5" drives aren't really THAT big. |
11:20:11 | man_in_shack | :) |
11:20:23 | man_in_shack | grimman, maybe if i can get my hands on a gbc ... :) |
11:20:26 | grimman | Maybe a centimeter wider than the 5th gen iPod. |
11:20:31 | man_in_shack | i'd have to compare sizes |
11:20:44 | grimman | =) |
11:20:51 | grimman | I have a dead 2.5" drive on the desk. |
11:21:06 | man_in_shack | dead? |
11:21:15 | grimman | man_in_shack: Yes. |
11:21:19 | grimman | I believe I said that. ;D |
11:21:27 | man_in_shack | how dead? |
11:21:29 | man_in_shack | doesn't spin? |
11:21:33 | grimman | Extremely dead. |
11:21:46 | grimman | It sounds like there are loose bits in there. |
11:21:57 | man_in_shack | disected? |
11:22:00 | Slasheri | hmm, it would be nice indeed to design a player.. It's just quite expensive to manufacture 4 layer pcb's, something between 500-700e for a prototype |
11:22:00 | grimman | Nah. |
11:22:04 | Bg3r | LinusN: u think that the manufacturers only get a dev env ? |
11:22:31 | LinusN | Bg3r: yes, they get a software library with an API spec |
11:22:56 | LinusN | just like the philips saa chipset |
11:23:06 | Bg3r | sh.t |
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11:23:19 | LinusN | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetTree |
11:25:19 | * | man_in_shack wonders if it would be difficult to design/produce a hardware ogg decoder |
11:25:59 | LinusN | http://oggonachip.sourceforge.net/ |
11:26:05 | man_in_shack | :D |
11:27:23 | barrywardell | is anyone here able to authorize me for write access to the wiki? |
11:27:37 | LinusN | i can |
11:27:41 | LinusN | hang on |
11:28:08 | man_in_shack | LinusN, so ... is that a full-featured player or just the decoder? |
11:28:25 | Slasheri | man_in_shack: that would be too easy :) |
11:28:31 | man_in_shack | :) |
11:28:36 | LinusN | barrywardell: done |
11:28:36 | man_in_shack | it's not easy to tell from "what" section |
11:29:05 | LinusN | just the decoder |
11:29:07 | barrywardell | LinusN: thanks |
11:29:13 | LinusN | barrywardell: you're welcome |
11:29:24 | barrywardell | now to get updating the H10 info |
11:29:51 | man_in_shack | barrywardell, any information that would help the porting process? |
11:30:05 | * | man_in_shack would really love to see irvier h10 running rockbox, since it has no native ogg support |
11:31:59 | linuxstb | Does the h10 have any hardware advantages compared to the h1x0/h3x0? |
11:32:05 | barrywardell | i have managed to compile the ipod bootloader and run it on the h10 |
11:32:16 | barrywardell | so far just writing a test file to disk |
11:32:38 | barrywardell | need to figure out the lcd and button stuff |
11:32:48 | man_in_shack | neeto :D |
11:32:55 | man_in_shack | linuxstb, it's smaller |
11:33:00 | man_in_shack | linuxstb, afaik, that's it |
11:33:07 | barrywardell | and made some progress towards getting the bootloader to load the iriver firmware |
11:33:11 | man_in_shack | but iriver no longer supply h3x0 |
11:33:48 | * | linuxstb would like a reason to buy a h10, but can't think of one... |
11:34:03 | man_in_shack | me neither |
11:34:08 | man_in_shack | i want an h140 :D |
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11:35:17 | pondlife | Hmm, I got confused... |
11:35:41 | man_in_shack | h3x0 == h1x0 + video |
11:35:49 | pondlife | Did anyone else notice that the Rockbox front page summary uses developer real names, but http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html uses nicks? |
11:36:30 | LinusN | yes, the nick->real name translation is only done in the front page script |
11:36:37 | linuxstb | Anyone have any idea what's inside an iriver T30? |
11:36:42 | Bagder | I'll fix that one day |
11:37:04 | pondlife | Go on Bagder, you know you want to...! |
11:37:41 | scorche | Bagder: get my PMs? |
11:37:46 | linuxstb | The T30 seems to be a nice 1GB flash player that runs on a AAA battery... |
11:39:23 | Bagder | scorche: got them fine, yes |
11:39:42 | Bagder | scorche: will ship asap |
11:39:49 | scorche | ty =) |
11:40:02 | JdGordon | weee :) i have a working patch for my button replacements for iriver and ipod, anyone want to test it? |
11:40:05 | pondlife | LinusN: Seeing as I missed Paul_The_Nerd yet again, don't suppose you tried that .talk clip patch on an Archos yet? |
11:40:21 | LinusN | no i haven't |
11:40:27 | pondlife | OK, no worries |
11:40:42 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_changes.patch">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/button_changes.patch |
11:41:26 | markun | linuxstb: one of those Samsung ARM chips |
11:42:43 | linuxstb | markun: Me is tempted then... |
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11:43:33 | Bagder | linuxstb: I'm sure you could get some funding for it even from The Fund |
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11:43:58 | amiconn | LinusN: Imho we have 3 options for the simulator contrast problem: (1) Drop the contrast setting altogether for the sim. It doesn't do anything. (2) Simulate it generically, i.e. without the proper default value (which can't be simulated correctly for some targets anyway). (3) Simulate it with a proper (in most cases) default value |
11:44:37 | amiconn | (1) and (2) are simple, (3) requires some #ifdef SIMULATOR in target tree and some other formerly simulator-independent files |
11:44:43 | LinusN | i vote for option (2) |
11:45:05 | amiconn | (2) means implemeting lcd_default_contrast() as a stub in uisimulator/ |
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11:49:21 | LinusN | amiconn: then so be it |
11:51:34 | pondlife | Please, no more #ifdef SIMULATORs... It would be nice if they could all be removed one day. |
11:52:17 | * | pondlife dreams |
11:52:29 | * | Bagder agrees |
11:53:14 | linuxstb | markun: But we don't have a datasheet for those Samsung ARMs ? (yet?) |
11:53:33 | markun | No, I mailed Samsung 2 times, but didn't ge a reply |
11:54:47 | linuxstb | But you succeeded in getting a datasheet for the Gigabeat's CPU from Samsung? Or was that already publically available? |
11:55:37 | markun | When they mailed me the User Manual for the S3C2440 they gave me a website to ask my future questions, but the site doesn't exist anymore |
11:55:56 | linuxstb | BTW, do you know if the T30 is similar to any other iriver players? |
11:57:04 | markun | Well, the T10, T20, T30, E10, U10 and Clix all use Samsung ARM CPUs |
11:57:15 | markun | And H10jr |
11:57:44 | linuxstb | Do you have the URL for the CPU handy again? |
11:57:57 | markun | No, I would have to search the logs |
11:58:40 | markun | But I should work a bit now |
11:59:32 | linuxstb | OK, I'll search. |
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12:00:45 | * | LinusN slaps JdGordon oon his fingers for using mixed case in the source code |
12:00:51 | LinusN | (ButtonItem) |
12:01:17 | Bagder | haha |
12:01:39 | amiconn | LinusN: There's also a style violation in settings.h... // comment |
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12:03:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: perhaps you could continue in the action.h file, a leftover from the last action concept attempt |
12:03:25 | LinusN | instead of actions.h/actions.c |
12:05:31 | JdGordon | LinusN: mixed case: i forgot that ou dont like it :p and the file anmes will prob be changed, i just put it there so the damn simulator would build |
12:05:44 | LinusN | :-) |
12:05:57 | JdGordon | thanks for looking at it btw :) |
12:08:30 | rasher | Has anyone given any thoughts to my mail on the dev-list about wiki/manual licensing? |
12:10:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: so you call get_action() if you want to use the default actions? |
12:11:01 | Bagder | rasher: I agree with your sentiments and I too would like it "fixed" but I haven't yet sorted out my thoughts nor replied anything on the topic |
12:11:20 | JdGordon | get_action() replaces button_get() (and button_get_w_tmo() ), if you want to use the default handler you can in your switch |
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12:11:37 | JdGordon | get_action() returns the SYS_* codes if it is one |
12:12:09 | LinusN | if i understand it correctly, you could have defined a local action list in menu.c instead of using case ACTION_RIGHT? |
12:12:34 | JdGordon | yeah, that is possible |
12:12:38 | JdGordon | but usually not needed |
12:12:40 | LinusN | and having that action list define LEFT as ACTION_EXIT |
12:12:43 | * | Bagder runs off |
12:13:21 | JdGordon | no, you would set your own return codes, because if your button combo isnt pressed it will return the code form the default combos |
12:14:05 | JdGordon | there should be one more value in the enum DEFAULT_COMOBOS or something so you could do (DEFAULT_COMOBOS +1) in your loop with your own combox |
12:14:10 | JdGordon | i hope that makes sence? |
12:14:17 | LinusN | i'm lost |
12:14:21 | JdGordon | hehe |
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12:14:52 | LinusN | get_action() calls read_button with the default list |
12:14:59 | JdGordon | ye |
12:15:24 | LinusN | so when do use a non-default list? |
12:15:29 | LinusN | "do i use" |
12:15:33 | JdGordon | oh, sorry, no wonder your lost.. i forgot to put the other function header in the .h |
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12:15:53 | JdGordon | there is another function which takes a list of ButtonItems which are checked before the default ones |
12:16:23 | LinusN | when do i use that one then? |
12:17:26 | * | amiconn wonders what comobos are ;) |
12:17:42 | JdGordon | if the button combo you want to accpe tis not in the default list |
12:17:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: combo == button combo |
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12:18:23 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yes of course. I wonder what a com_o_bo is ;) |
12:18:36 | JdGordon | oh, hahah, my bad |
12:18:36 | LinusN | JdGordon: but when do i create my own list? |
12:18:54 | Krono6 | hi all, I called Apple and most of the problems are fixed, sort of, still bugs that weren't there before.. I JUST remembered something, the iPod Linux tutorial I used got me to backup some of the partitions, any idea on how I can apply these back? |
12:19:08 | webguest24 | linuxstb: a sudoku bug for you |
12:19:18 | webguest24 | linuxstb: When generating more than five suduko games consecutivealy to get to a 'hard' game, the player will then freeze on the sudoku screen whilst music continues to play in the background, a pin reset is the only way to restore the player. |
12:19:34 | Krono6 | like, the video partition and things like that, atleast it said I was backing them up |
12:19:37 | JdGordon | LinusN: before you call get_action() If the combo your after doesnt exist.. (ive renamed the functions to get_default_action() and get_action() |
12:20:31 | LinusN | JdGordon: i know that, i wanted to know when i would need to define my own action list |
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12:21:16 | LinusN | in your example menu.c, you use an extra "case ACTION_LEFT:" when i thought you were supposed to define your own action list |
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12:21:24 | JdGordon | LinusN: oh, umm.. the wps _might_ need to.. plugins probably |
12:21:26 | rasher | rasher_: get out! |
12:21:30 | linuxstb | webguest24: I can't look at it now - would you mind filing a bug report in the bug tracker? |
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12:21:39 | webguest24 | sure |
12:21:43 | linuxstb | Thanks. |
12:21:50 | webguest24 | thank you |
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12:22:03 | Krono6 | .. So, those backups are useless? >.< |
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12:23:17 | JdGordon | LinusN: now your confusing me.. when did you tihnk you were supposed to define your own ones? unless your talking about the vey first version I had in the ml? |
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12:23:39 | LinusN | i'm talking about menu.c |
12:23:56 | JdGordon | k, im looking at that now.. |
12:23:58 | LinusN | there are two case statements |
12:24:13 | LinusN | case ACTION_LEFT: and case ACTION_EXIT: |
12:24:21 | rasher | Well that was stupid. Always kill the right autonomous irc client. |
12:24:24 | JdGordon | because off and left both quit the menu currently |
12:24:35 | JdGordon | I was just replicating the current code |
12:25:06 | LinusN | i was under the impression that the action system would let me define two combos for ACTION_EXIT |
12:25:22 | JdGordon | it can. |
12:25:43 | JdGordon | but elsewhere in the code I would think the left button and the off button would be used differently |
12:26:12 | JdGordon | actually, even here I tihnk they should be, left should be up-one-level and off should be exit the menus completly |
12:26:45 | LinusN | i just wanted to make sure i understand your concept correctly |
12:27:01 | LinusN | i wasn't suggesting a default action |
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12:27:27 | JdGordon | ok, all good now though? |
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12:29:01 | LinusN | JdGordon: i'm looking at the playlist viewer code |
12:29:17 | LinusN | LIST_NEXT has been changed to ACTION_DOWN |
12:29:37 | LinusN | there is no DOWN on the archos player |
12:29:50 | LinusN | which is why it was called NEXT |
12:29:52 | JdGordon | ok |
12:30:11 | JdGordon | so that needs to be changed then. |
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12:30:43 | LinusN | i think the archos player is a perfect target for you to verify that your concept holds water |
12:30:52 | JdGordon | well.. not really, because the ACTION_ doesnt really need to corelate to keys, but to what its doing on the screen. |
12:31:04 | JdGordon | but changing to NEXT and PREV can be done |
12:31:19 | JdGordon | what do up and down get changed to? |
12:31:22 | linuxstb | There's also no up/down on ipods - just "scroll forward" and "scroll back" |
12:31:25 | JdGordon | sorry, left and right |
12:31:45 | * | linuxstb thinks the ipods will cause problems. |
12:31:59 | JdGordon | linuxstb: nope, i tihnk ive got the ipod done fine |
12:33:02 | LinusN | JdGordon: as the archos player has no up/down buttons, we should probably not define ACTION_UP/DOWN at all on that target, or? |
12:33:06 | JdGordon | up = prev, down = next, left = cancel, right = ok ? something like that? |
12:33:37 | JdGordon | LinusN: no, the actions are always defined, even if they do nothing in that target, might waste a tiny bit of space, but no more #ifdef |
12:35:40 | LinusN | hmm, i'm still confused |
12:35:52 | rasher | Hrm, let me just remove the html manuals from my site |
12:36:08 | LinusN | BUTTON_ON is defined twice |
12:36:20 | LinusN | { BUTTON_ON, ACTION_UNUSED, 0 }, |
12:36:46 | JdGordon | the first column is the button combo, the 2nd is the action value, the third dw about |
12:36:46 | LinusN | three times |
12:38:09 | LinusN | what was the third column again? |
12:38:33 | JdGordon | a 1 means that the item above it must have been the last button pressed |
12:38:50 | JdGordon | the 1 being the index above the current... 0 means no prereq |
12:38:58 | LinusN | aha |
12:39:49 | LinusN | that's probably something that should be in a comment |
12:39:56 | JdGordon | would ACTION_UP_PREV instead of just ACTION_UP? |
12:40:04 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What I mean about the ipods is that sometimes the wheel does the equivalent of up/down, and sometimes it does left/right, generally depending on which direction has the greater range. Also, sometimes the wheel isn't used at all but the four buttons on the clickwheel (MENU, NEXT, PLAY, PREV) are used for the four directions. |
12:40:06 | JdGordon | isnt it? ill comment it all soon |
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12:41:18 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ye, the colour chooser is one such places and i cant think of a nice way to fix that, i tinhk handling that special case with #ifdef CONFIG_IPOD is the easiest way? it isnt that often it happens |
12:41:21 | LinusN | JdGordon: any specific reason you used the pre_button_relative_index instead of defining the button code directly? |
12:41:35 | JdGordon | LinusN: faster |
12:42:03 | LinusN | how so? |
12:42:10 | JdGordon | oh, hang on.. ye, im a dill |
12:42:12 | * | amiconn spots someone mentioning wasting space |
12:42:35 | JdGordon | i'm sure there was a reason i did it this way, but its gone, ill change that |
12:42:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: look over there... a squirell! |
12:42:58 | LinusN | :-) |
12:44:23 | rasher | So.. is the WikiManual obsolete yet? |
12:44:32 | LinusN | pretty much, i guess |
12:45:47 | rasher | Large sections of it at least |
12:47:01 | rasher | The amount of FAQs is flabbergasting |
12:48:23 | rasher | ArchosFAQ, BatteryFAQ, BlindFAQ, FaqBatteries, GeneralFAQ, GminiPortFAQ, IpodFAQ, IriverFAQ, LiIonBatteryFAQ, RockboxFAQ |
12:48:55 | rasher | Ah, FaqBatteries is a french translation of BatteryFAQ it would seem |
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12:49:27 | rasher | Slasheri must be using a definition of "nice" that I was previously unaware of |
12:49:41 | linuxstb | :) |
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12:50:22 | ^Charly^ | hu |
12:50:26 | ^Charly^ | no ops here? O_o |
12:50:36 | JdGordon | no, you can spam all you want |
12:50:43 | ^Charly^ | no thx ^^ |
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12:51:08 | ^Charly^ | how are you guys doing? |
12:51:17 | JdGordon | LinusN: im heading out for a few hours, you like the generel gist of it? |
12:51:19 | rasher | Man, I wish someone[tm] would create a host version of the tagcache builder |
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12:51:43 | rasher | Also, a word of advice: Do not enable dircache if you have the HVSC on your dap |
12:51:57 | LinusN | JdGordon: i think i do, but i'm slightly worried about the loops, and i'm not sure i understand all of it |
12:52:02 | rasher | Almost melted my harddisk.. |
12:52:03 | linuxstb | Another word of advice - don't try and delete the HVSC using Rockbox's delete function... |
12:52:31 | JdGordon | LinusN: ok, if im not asleep when i get back ill fix it up and comment it all |
12:52:36 | rasher | Generally, be careful with that amount of files! |
12:52:37 | LinusN | greato |
12:52:56 | Slasheri | rasher :D there already is a host version, hardeep made that (but currently it's little out of date with the newest tagcache db) |
12:53:25 | rasher | Slasheri: but that doesn't use the Rockbox code for getting metadata |
12:53:32 | Slasheri | yes, that's true |
12:53:50 | rasher | Which means it's mp3 and ogg only (and with some quirks, iirc) |
12:53:54 | Slasheri | hmm, shouldn't be hard to port the tagcache db builder to run on pc |
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12:54:19 | amiconn | Iirc there already is one... |
12:54:43 | LinusN | the hard part would be to keep the binary compatibility for all targets, wouldn't it? |
12:55:28 | rasher | I guess you'd probably have to specify which device you were building for, and then add some magic to the db-builder |
12:55:35 | LinusN | yup |
12:55:47 | amiconn | tools/songdb.pl |
12:56:01 | amiconn | hardeep adapted it to tagcache |
12:56:03 | rasher | amiconn: but that uses external libraries for metadata |
12:56:20 | rasher | (no musepack, wavpack, flac?, sid, etc) |
12:56:27 | Slasheri | LinusN: yes, endianess can be a problem |
12:56:35 | linuxstb | A C version using the existing Rockbox metadata and tagcache code would be preferable IMO |
12:56:47 | rasher | (plus it's perl, yuck) |
12:56:55 | * | rasher runs and hides |
12:56:55 | linuxstb | (and if done right, automatically updated with changes in Rockbox) |
12:57:12 | rasher | linuxstb: that'd be the main selling point, I'd say |
12:57:25 | tucoz | rasher: I have been thinking about the documentation licence issues. Especially regarding the wiki. What do you think we should about that? |
12:57:55 | amiconn | Slasheri: Did you see my tagcache bug report from last night? |
12:58:37 | amiconn | Slasheri: I also tested auto update on H140 and recorder. It takes a bit more than 1 minute on H140, and more than 8 minutes on recorder... |
12:58:41 | rasher | tucoz: as far as I can see, not much can be done except mail all contributors, asking them to license their contributions under a specific license (cc-by-sa if you ask me) |
12:58:51 | linuxstb | I'm in favour of choosing a license, and then asking all contributors to confirm that they agree to it. But someone would need to volunteer to handle the logistics... |
12:58:51 | tucoz | Which is impossible |
12:59:00 | rasher | Not at all |
12:59:03 | linuxstb | Why impossible? |
12:59:17 | rasher | Of course, we'd probably end up having to throw out a bunch of contributions |
12:59:25 | rasher | but I'd say that'd be worth it |
12:59:28 | tucoz | well, the wiki has been around some time, and is edited by a lot of people |
12:59:37 | safetydan | Woo! libm sin and cos in plugins on target. |
12:59:39 | tucoz | some will have to be inactive, not reachable |
12:59:44 | rasher | But how many, really? |
12:59:56 | rasher | Aren't the most important contributors active people |
13:00 |
13:00:05 | rasher | who left working contact details |
13:00:10 | rasher | I'd almost be willing to put money on that |
13:00:50 | tucoz | hmm, you are probably right |
13:01:02 | linuxstb | We could also archive the "unlicensed" info somewhere separately, if we wanted to keep the main wiki clean. |
13:01:06 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, interesting.. i will check logs again, probably i missed that |
13:01:33 | rasher | linuxstb: yeah, no (additional) harm in doing that |
13:01:45 | tucoz | And start to ask people to agree to a licence when signing up to the wiki |
13:01:55 | rasher | Absolutely |
13:02:10 | rasher | and put a note at the bottom of each page, and the edit-page as well |
13:02:11 | Slasheri | amiconn: ah, yes. that needs to be fixed |
13:02:23 | rasher | Just for making sure |
13:02:23 | tucoz | so, the common creatives licence is better than the gfdl? |
13:02:30 | rasher | I believe so |
13:02:36 | tucoz | that is like the gpl? |
13:02:44 | rasher | Pretty much, as far as I can see |
13:02:49 | Slasheri | amiconn: and also tagcache isn't thread safe yet so i will need to add some protection to the routines also |
13:03:09 | tucoz | ok. I must say I thought the gfdl was pretty much gpl (but for docs). |
13:03:21 | rasher | But then, I haven't looked very closely yet, and I'm mostly going by what I read other people say about it |
13:03:26 | tucoz | ok |
13:03:42 | tucoz | Well, we would benefit to get this done asap in any case |
13:03:54 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, you had dircache disabling from both players? |
13:03:57 | Slasheri | *ed |
13:04:15 | amiconn | Of course |
13:04:22 | amiconn | On archos I have no choice anyway |
13:04:27 | tucoz | Agree on these issues, and get started with the tedious task of asking people to agree to a specific licence then... |
13:04:51 | rasher | tucoz: it is.. almost, but there are a number of problems (granted, not many of those are likely to be relevant for Rockbox) |
13:04:56 | Slasheri | amiconn: then it's really weird why archos is so much slower.. |
13:05:19 | Slasheri | because disk should be the slowest part when autoupdating without dircache |
13:05:37 | Slasheri | unless you did the manual update |
13:05:38 | rasher | http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml#problems has a list of problems with the gfdl in the eyes of Debian, some practical, some philosophical |
13:05:46 | tucoz | hanks |
13:05:49 | tucoz | thanks |
13:05:54 | Slasheri | that is really slow without dircache because it checks for deleted files also |
13:06:04 | amiconn | Slasheri: No, that was auto-update |
13:06:23 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, did you check if the drive was fragmented? |
13:06:36 | rasher | Of course, by using the GFDL we get the bonus that we won't have to do anything about the manual |
13:06:47 | rasher | Either way, the manual and wiki really should use the same license |
13:07:01 | tucoz | agreed |
13:07:20 | Slasheri | amiconn: btw, how long did it take to initialize tagcache (without commit step)? |
13:07:40 | amiconn | Hmm, don't remember. Need to test again :/ |
13:07:50 | tucoz | I have hesitated to using the information from the wiki sometimes, as it felt somewhat wrong as I didn't know the licence of the wiki |
13:08:23 | rasher | It'd be nice if someone with wiki access could present some stats about wiki members (how many, and if possible, how much people have contributed) |
13:09:04 | tucoz | Hmm, I wonder if we will be able to reach the original manual writers (except Cassandra, as she is here once in a while) |
13:09:19 | amiconn | Gah, cvs conflicts (expetced them though) |
13:09:28 | rasher | I think people who have been that involved are likely to be reachable, in general |
13:09:43 | tucoz | I am pretty sure we will get a number of bounced mails |
13:10:03 | rasher | That's inevitable |
13:10:11 | rasher | Notices on the website might help also |
13:10:21 | linuxstb | Yep, and the mailing lists etc |
13:10:29 | tucoz | ah, of course :) |
13:10:45 | rasher | And a splash in the daily rockbox builds (kidding) |
13:10:54 | tucoz | the last point on that list of problems is definitely a problem |
13:11:14 | tucoz | not atm though |
13:11:50 | rasher | Yeah, there's been a lot of "bad press" about the gfdl, at least within Debian |
13:13:19 | tucoz | Well, debian is pretty anal with licences and so is rockbox so I think their examples are valid enough |
13:13:40 | rasher | Always prepare for the worst case |
13:14:22 | tucoz | exactly. |
13:14:42 | rasher | Say, if someone forked Rockbox, took "our" manual, improved it vastly but slapped a front-cover text on it, we'd be completely unable to use any improvements |
13:15:18 | rasher | well, not unable, but we'd have to include his front-cover text, which might not be a good idea |
13:15:33 | tucoz | yes, that is not good |
13:16:00 | linuxstb | Yes, that's the show-stopper for me. |
13:16:22 | rasher | Of course, it's very unlikely to happen, but it'd be nice to get it Right. |
13:17:28 | linuxstb | Could the GPL itself be used? |
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13:18:02 | rasher | It might.. I thought about that also at some point, I'm not sure why it isn't |
13:18:08 | rasher | generally, that is |
13:18:28 | rasher | I wonder what the FSF's justification for a seperate documentation license is, might shed some light over it |
13:18:45 | linuxstb | Given that we also have source (.tex) and binaries (.pdf), it would be nice if we could force any author of a modified manual to also release the .tex source. |
13:19:26 | tucoz | yes, that would be the wanted feedback to get from a fork |
13:19:55 | linuxstb | But creating .tex from .pdf isn't that difficult compared to dissassembling a program... |
13:20:26 | amiconn | Ugh... |
13:20:30 | rasher | Mostly, we'd be after the raw text anyway |
13:20:41 | rasher | But I get the point |
13:21:03 | * | amiconn forgot to bump config version, or rather didn't forget it, but didn't notice that LinusN also did it |
13:21:30 | tucoz | A question: I am changing the \pageref to \ref ('see 1.2', instead of 'see page 35' -for further...). It makes sence to have pageref in the pdf, but not in the html doc. What do you think? |
13:22:03 | rasher | Maybe create a macro that chooses one or the other depending on what's being built, pdf or html |
13:22:13 | rasher | (if that's possible, I don't know) |
13:22:20 | tucoz | We have talked about getting rid of pageref anyway. But, I only know \ref |
13:22:38 | tucoz | And that works fine for me. Refer to a section instead of a page |
13:23:06 | tucoz | But, I am not sure if that will leave an 'academic' touch to the manual |
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13:23:10 | rasher | To me, pageref makes more sense in a pdf or on print than a reference to a section, but obviuosly not in html |
13:23:38 | rasher | "see section 2.3" has the problem that people will have to look for that section |
13:23:42 | pondlife | I assume this will allow the HTML manual to have links? |
13:23:45 | * | amiconn wonders whether bumping in quick succession is necessary |
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13:23:54 | rasher | rather than just turning to a specific page |
13:24:06 | tucoz | well, a page can have several sections |
13:24:14 | rasher | amiconn: if it ends up in the same build, surely not |
13:24:39 | tucoz | which leaves the user reading through an entire page instead of the targeted section |
13:24:44 | LinusN | amiconn: once a day would be enough |
13:24:45 | amiconn | It doesn't... although it will end up in the same daily (of course) |
13:25:09 | rasher | tucoz: "see page 139, Language" then :) |
13:25:23 | amiconn | LinusN: RED |
13:25:29 | LinusN | i know |
13:25:41 | jsMikeS | I'm curious...does RaeNye have commit access to cvs? |
13:25:45 | LinusN | yes he has |
13:26:00 | jsMikeS | LinusN: thanks |
13:26:13 | rasher | tucoz: to me, using section numbers places a burdon on the reader to search for that section |
13:26:31 | rasher | which might or not be easy depending on the medium |
13:26:35 | tucoz | well, it's like reading a phonebook which all people can do |
13:27:11 | rasher | Giving a page, and section-name seems more friendly to me |
13:27:35 | rasher | don't know if that's possible though |
13:27:37 | tucoz | but means more work when writing the manual |
13:27:45 | tucoz | it is possible |
13:28:04 | linuxstb | LinusN: Minor point - if you're splitting up source files, the (C) name in the header in the original large file may not be appropriate for all the new smaller files. - e.g. I don't think amiconn was responsible for the ARM memset, but his name is at the top of memset_arm.S because he wrote the Coldfire version... But I'm not worried about it. |
13:28:26 | tucoz | just write a macro for references, and insert the apropriate if html or pdf is defined |
13:28:32 | LinusN | linuxstb: aha |
13:28:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: I wrote the coldfire and sh versions |
13:29:00 | LinusN | who wrote the arm version? |
13:29:01 | rasher | tucoz: I think it's better the writers put more effort into it to get a nice result. Effort once, easy for many rather than Easy once, effort for many |
13:29:17 | linuxstb | LinusN: preglow did, based on a version from the Linux kernel I think. |
13:30:08 | jsMikeS | LinusN: How come he's not showing up (at least not under RaeNye)? For some reason I don't think he really likes me much but I have always been nice but perhaps too talkative. Oh well, I dunno. |
13:30:20 | amiconn | preglow 1.10 /* The following code is based on code found in Linux kernel version 2.6.15.3 |
13:30:21 | tucoz | I'll drop by later and see what bluebrother thinks before I do anything more. |
13:30:28 | amiconn | * Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Russell King |
13:31:04 | tucoz | see you later |
13:31:05 | LinusN | jsMikeS: i dunno, maybe he's busy |
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13:32:42 | LinusN | so, should i give the (c) to Thom or Russel? |
13:32:49 | LinusN | i think Russel |
13:33:14 | rasher | How about both? |
13:33:15 | linuxstb | Yes, but then it's not clear the code has been modified by someone else - which I think the GPL requires. |
13:33:31 | rasher | (c) Russel, changes (c) Thom |
13:33:45 | jsMikeS | LinusN: He popped out the moment I submitted an X5 patch and went back into hiding(?). I'm probably paranoid. Wanted to ask him some x5 related things. Thanks. |
13:34:11 | LinusN | jsMikeS: what do you want to know about the x5? |
13:35:29 | LinusN | linuxstb: so how about (c) thom and keep the comment about russel as it is? |
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13:35:43 | linuxstb | LinusN: I think that works. |
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13:36:26 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: what do you want to know about the x5? |
13:38:33 | pondlife | cd .. |
13:38:36 | pondlife | Oops |
13:38:41 | LinusN | :-) |
13:40:53 | rasher | Hrm, mp3ClipGen.sh is expecting an old festival |
13:41:06 | rasher | (no surprise, the script's from 2004) |
13:41:11 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Well a long running question for me was if it was at all possible to read from the lcd? I wanted to figure the true frame rate by reading the status register. |
13:42:27 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: should be possible |
13:43:18 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: And also if anyone knows any more port/pin assigments. Could be relevant to fixing a glitch that when the LCD is off at shutdown (gracefully), the backlight flickers once. The backlight has already been turned off btw. |
13:44:06 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Is there an address line or GPO connected to the LCD's R/W pin? |
13:44:13 | LinusN | yes |
13:44:47 | LinusN | the RW pin from the cpu |
13:45:18 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: I had a feeling. But I get back garbage reading the device id. |
13:45:31 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | supposed to get 0773H |
13:46:28 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | BTW: A1 => RS, and A15=> ?? |
13:47:29 | LinusN | a14 and a15 are used to select lcd or usbotg |
13:47:47 | linuxstb | Has anyone tried Rolo on the ipods with anything apart from the currently running rockbox.ipod? I can't get it to successfully run anything apart from the same rockbox.ipod, which makes me think it's badly wrong... |
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13:48:29 | LinusN | linuxstb: the rolo code itself must run in iram |
13:48:40 | linuxstb | Yes, it's in iram. |
13:48:47 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: That statement in the port/pin confuses me. I thought the chip select was CS1 (not A15) for the LCD. |
13:49:07 | linuxstb | (the rolo_restart function is) |
13:49:10 | LinusN | yes, it is cs1, but cs1 is shared between usbotg and lcd |
13:49:47 | LinusN | so cs1 goes via an extra address decoder |
13:50:24 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinunN: So how does it select so there won't be contention. You know what...ahhh...so that actually is connected to the CS on the LCD? |
13:50:54 | * | linuxstb checks rockbox.map and confirms rolo_restart is in iram. |
13:51:20 | LinusN | cs1 goes to two AND gates |
13:51:48 | LinusN | and it is ANDed with a14 and on to the lcd CS |
13:52:21 | LinusN | and a15 for the usbotg |
13:52:42 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Now everything makes A LOT more sense. Thank you. |
13:52:48 | LinusN | you're welcome |
13:55:11 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: I also had some quesions about the driver (I rewrote). Should lcd_blit, lcd_set_invert_display, lcd_set_clip be implemented? |
13:55:19 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | I mean: lcd_set_flip |
13:57:16 | LinusN | i guess so |
13:57:42 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | lcd_set_flip rotates 180deg? |
13:58:05 | LinusN | yes |
13:58:52 | LinusN | i believe lcd_blit() is only used by the chip8 emulator and the archos video playback |
13:58:59 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: I've read lcd_blit is supposed to use native format but color or color AND orientation (because of X5 90deg twist). |
13:59:32 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: I wanted to do lcd_blit as a precursor to video. Get it out there use it later. |
13:59:35 | * | linuxstb found the rolo problem - the cache... |
13:59:43 | LinusN | linuxstb: ah |
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14:00:24 | linuxstb | But I don't know how to flush and disable it. All I know is if I don't enable it in the first place (creating an extremely sluggish Rockbox), rolo seems to work. |
14:00:59 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Sorry if I'm asking too much. Tell me when you've had enough. :) |
14:01:00 | linuxstb | I can even rolo an IPL kernel... |
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14:01:41 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: don't worry |
14:01:44 | rasher | Would be neat to be able to rolo to OF, but of course not a huge priority |
14:02:08 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: i'm not sure you can prevent the backlight blink when turning off |
14:02:11 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Should lcd_blit use native orientation too or just color? |
14:02:20 | rasher | at least, some would think so (especially users with units that do video in OF) |
14:02:28 | linuxstb | rasher: Yes, that's the main aim. At the moment, the OF appears to crash immediately if I try to rolo it (with a modified rolo of course) |
14:03:02 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Neither am I but I don't have any diagram in my head or otherwise about why. |
14:03:39 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: i'm not sure about the lcd_blit, maybe you should consult the chip8 source code |
14:04:47 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: you turn off the backlight by setting the gpo pin high, and when you turn off the pcf50606, it probably goes low for a moment, it seems to lack a pullup |
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14:05:47 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Hmmm...that for 8bit lcd only, right? I don't just assume I can just apply what's true from one hw to another. |
14:06:23 | LinusN | the lcd_blit function is for monochrome bitmaps |
14:07:25 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Ok so why does shutting the LCD off hot stop the flash? The OF gets streaks too. |
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14:08:19 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: lcd_blit can't be repurposed for video on other ports? Why use the screen buffer for video? |
14:09:31 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: the lcd_blit function is used on the archos player for transferring data directly from the video stream to the lcd without passing the frame buffer |
14:09:57 | LinusN | i'm not sure how we want to use it on other targets |
14:10:11 | LinusN | i think you can leave that function for now |
14:10:14 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: What about a function for being able to use full color depth to have the pseudo 262,144 colors for x5 or whatever any hw supports for image viewing or something. |
14:10:50 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Ok...np. |
14:13:16 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: I'm very sure lcd_roll can't be implemented. What do you think? HWM cannot be used either. :( |
14:13:58 | * | ^_jsMikeS_^ promises he will be done with this soon. |
14:14:44 | LinusN | hwm is probably out of the question, and i think lcd_roll too |
14:15:16 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Affirmative. What a bummer design IMHO. |
14:16:01 | LinusN | there is always something on every target |
14:16:44 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Is it better to shut down the LCD gracefull and accept the little flash or leave it running till the end? |
14:17:28 | LinusN | i'm not sure if we need to shut it down gracefully |
14:19:03 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: ok...I hear about those dreaded streaks shortening its life or something. Not true? |
14:19:28 | LinusN | i honestly don't know |
14:20:00 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Just a couple more...What about shutting it down for power management? |
14:20:28 | LinusN | you mean shut down the lcd when the backlight is off? |
14:22:34 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Yes, I can shut down the visible display each time the backlight goes off and but leave the internals on (faster display reappearance) and maybe shut down internal display operation after a timeout. |
14:23:24 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: I've had my copy patched with the first thing for awhile and it seems to help it a bit. |
14:23:28 | LinusN | sounds reasonable |
14:24:07 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Never implemented a timeout though. |
14:24:42 | LinusN | i don't think it's necessary to shut it off completely, not if the startup time is annoying |
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14:26:30 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Startup time is ~180ms from dead off. I also implemented a lcd_power_mode to set its state to ON/OFF/STANDBY/SLEEP whenever you want but it becomes a new driver function. What do you think of adding new driver functions? |
14:27:28 | LinusN | well, if the power saving is worth it, you can do anything you like |
14:29:09 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: It might be here. Also improved from rates about 7%-8%. Should I break a driver update like that into several patches or just put it in one lump? Involves a about four or five files. |
14:29:24 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | I mean "frame rates"! :) |
14:30:51 | LinusN | it depends. i think you should perhaps split the performance enhancements and the power saving |
14:30:56 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: What does "worth it" mean. 5%, 10%, 50%?? Curious. |
14:31:39 | LinusN | "worth it" means if it is measurable |
14:32:22 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | I got rid of that lookup table too. It didn't help anything. I just do an clever little (to me anyway :) AND and ADD and it didn't drop perf. |
14:32:32 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Ok...use battery bench? |
14:33:21 | LinusN | battery bench is probably a good idea, or a multimeter |
14:35:03 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | What do you wish to know in particular with the multimeter? Plot voltage over time without then with patch? |
14:36:40 | rasher | Gah, festival_client is outputting riff data on stderr despite being passed −−output |
14:36:43 | rasher | Annoying |
14:38:19 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: no, measure the current |
14:38:22 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: You've answered basically every question I've had for weeks. I appreciate it. Thank you. Now I need some breakfast. :) |
14:38:55 | LinusN | enjoy |
14:39:46 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: That makes sense. It would have to be greater that 0.01ma :). Is is that red wire going up the side? |
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14:41:11 | LinusN | no |
14:41:41 | LinusN | you'd have to unsolder the red battery wire and put the multimeter in between |
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14:42:09 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | I haven't had the heart to rip into my virgin player. Oh...it the wire going up to the board with the DA202? |
14:43:24 | * | ^_jsMikeS_^ will be off for eats once he knows precisely which wire... |
14:43:50 | LinusN | no, the battery wire is underneath the hard drive |
14:44:22 | LinusN | you have to remove the board with the da202 and remove the hard drive |
14:45:18 | LinusN | so if you feel bad about taking your precious apart, you can settle with the battery bench |
14:45:48 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | ok...thanks...There's some dust on the back side of the LCD that I have to clean off anyway :)...probably got there thought the jack. Off to eat but still lurk... |
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14:58:03 | markun | rasher: festival tts? |
14:59:44 | rasher | markun: yeah, I'm updating mp3ClipGen from FS #2131 to work with a current festival |
14:59:55 | LinusN | goodie |
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15:00:15 | rasher | and then, voice :-\ |
15:00:25 | * | LinusN considers using festival on the build server for automatic voice file generation |
15:00:34 | rasher | Yeah, that'd be neat |
15:00:55 | rasher | but now I'm off, laters |
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15:06:33 | markun | LinusN: espeak is also very nice (better I think( |
15:06:51 | markun | http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ |
15:07:16 | LinusN | haven't tried it |
15:08:20 | markun | Zendefera (haven't seen him in a while) wanted to add TTS with espeak to rockbox |
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15:09:12 | markun | LinusN: the complete rockbox faq with espeark :) http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/faq.ogg |
15:10:43 | LinusN | sounds horrible |
15:10:45 | * | linuxstb is scared by that ogg file... |
15:11:44 | linuxstb | markun: Do you have any high bitrate examples? |
15:12:05 | markun | this one is too low? |
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15:12:21 | linuxstb | It's around 20-30kbps |
15:12:38 | linuxstb | 22khz mono. |
15:13:04 | LinusN | i don't think a higher bitrate would help it |
15:13:11 | linuxstb | Probably not... |
15:13:40 | LinusN | "eSpeak produces good quality English speech", yeah right |
15:13:44 | markun | linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/dave.wav |
15:14:20 | markun | LinusN: to me it sounds better than flite |
15:14:59 | LinusN | well, it sounds better than shite :-) |
15:15:07 | linuxstb | markun: Thanks. That sounds better than the .ogg, but... |
15:15:34 | markun | LinusN: but still like a bag of shit of course :) |
15:15:47 | goffa | he he he |
15:15:48 | LinusN | :-) |
15:16:03 | markun | perfect for rockbox |
15:16:39 | linuxstb | markun: So you think espeak could potentially work in realtime on Rockbox targets? |
15:16:44 | * | goffa is glad he isn't blind so he doesn't have to use voice |
15:20:41 | * | pondlife isn't blind but finds voice useful when driving |
15:20:58 | markun | linuxstb: I hope so |
15:22:21 | goffa | I just need one tweak to avoid potential accidents :) been waiting since the first day i tried rockbox |
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15:22:36 | goffa | looks like mmmm posted his build.. so when i get my h140 back i might get to try it |
15:22:48 | * | linuxstb wants a datasheet for Samsung's SA58450X01... |
15:23:02 | Bg3r | linuxstb: iriver T30 ? |
15:23:24 | linuxstb | A lot of the iriver players... |
15:23:51 | linuxstb | Apparently it was jointly developed by Samsung, iriver and a third mystery company.... |
15:24:04 | Bg3r | huh? |
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15:26:52 | markun | linuxstb: Meizu M6 has the same CPU as the U10 |
15:27:02 | markun | so perhaps they are the mystery company |
15:28:05 | linuxstb | Well, some sites say there was a third company involved, other sites just say it's iriver and samsung. But google's translation of Chinese websites should possibly not be trusted... |
15:28:40 | linuxstb | And of course, to start more rumours, Apple will soon start using a Samsung chip... |
15:29:09 | goffa | that ought to get the rumors flowing nicely :) |
15:31:21 | * | linuxstb wonders if there are _any_ current DAPs with publically documented CPUs... (apart from Coldfire) |
15:32:04 | LinusN | they sure are rare |
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16:04:18 | markun | linuxstb: http://www.themp3players.com/archives/2006/06/meizu-miniplayer-dissected |
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16:13:27 | linuxstb | markun: Thanks. That's slightly different - the SA58700X07... |
16:19:01 | * | JdGordon is back |
16:19:07 | JdGordon | did i miss anything exciting? |
16:21:31 | dongs | no |
16:22:14 | JdGordon | oh well :p |
16:31:27 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | Anyone with an X5 wanna checkout my X5 Backlight Brightness Improvement/Fix - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5712? |
16:32:06 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | Leave a comment if it's ok or not. Much appreciated... |
16:33:23 | markun | linuxstb: yes, but it's the same as the iriver U10 |
16:33:57 | markun | And E10: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverE10Info |
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16:43:53 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: are you really using the latest cvs? |
16:44:46 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, so there seem to be two different CPUS - SA58700 and SA58450, each with X01, X02 and X03 suffixes... |
16:48:56 | kazukisan | anyway to play ogg on archos jukebox studio 20 ? |
16:49:01 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Yes |
16:49:05 | markun | kazukisan: no |
16:49:26 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: for some reason, the patch failed, can't see why though |
16:49:40 | LinusN | maybe a cr/lf issue |
16:49:56 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: I diffed it just after cvs update last night. Maybe its stale now. |
16:50:00 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: compiling now... |
16:50:16 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | What failed? The patching? |
16:50:49 | LinusN | yes, 1 hunk failed on backlight-x5.c |
16:50:57 | LinusN | for no apparent reason |
16:51:24 | LinusN | i'm compiling it now, for both h300 and x5 |
16:51:26 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | hmmm... |
16:52:13 | * | ^_jsMikeS_^ is waiting eagerly |
16:52:32 | LinusN | i found the lcd model for the x5 remote |
16:52:47 | LinusN | it's a tomato 0350 |
16:53:06 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Tomato? hehe :D for real? |
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16:53:20 | LinusN | http://www.tomatolsi.com/english/products/download/TL0350_v17.pdf |
16:53:21 | humulus | hello |
16:53:47 | LinusN | humulus: hi |
16:54:01 | humulus | hello, today i turned my x5l on, and there was a white screen only is this a software problem? |
16:54:10 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | humulus: hello |
16:54:10 | humulus | had that anybody in here too? |
16:54:37 | LinusN | humulus: have you tried to reset it? |
16:54:53 | humulus | LinusN: yes did not work |
16:54:55 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | humulus: It does wierd things after plugging/unplugging sometimes. |
16:55:18 | humulus | ^_jsMikeS_^: hm so how do i fix it? |
16:55:32 | humulus | any advise? |
16:55:38 | LinusN | humulus: try holding the Rec button right after turning it on |
16:56:23 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: You got it to patch ok? Is it working? :) |
16:56:37 | LinusN | hang on |
16:56:53 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | no |
16:56:57 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | i mean mp |
16:57:04 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | np! ahhh... |
16:57:40 | humulus | well it's not working |
16:57:58 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | humulus: reset? |
16:58:00 | LinusN | humulus: what happens when you press the reset button? |
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16:59:11 | humulus | that did not work either |
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17:01:27 | LinusN | humulus: please tell me what "not work" means |
17:01:43 | LinusN | does anything happen at all then you press the reset button? |
17:02:00 | Febs | LinusN, I saw your comment on patch 5294. Do you not like the "Play to go to WPS from the menu system" or is it something else? |
17:02:33 | humulus | well the display is white, so when the player is off and i press the reset button i can't see stuff happening |
17:03:37 | LinusN | it's partly that (and the stop behaviour), and the fact that the patch does so much more than the patch description |
17:04:12 | LinusN | humulus: the display should go black when you reset it |
17:04:38 | LinusN | if not, you must have failed to reset it |
17:05:42 | LinusN | Febs: it's always a problem for us devs that the patches evolve |
17:05:53 | Febs | I guess my question is, putting aside this particular patch for the moment, do you agree/disagree with the concept of using the (currently unused) play button to go from the menu system to the WPS. |
17:06:17 | humulus | well i turn the player on, white screen, then i press the reset button, with a tiny object, for how long i'm supposed to hold it? |
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17:08:21 | humulus | ok when i reset it, it turns off, and the screen is black |
17:08:22 | LinusN | Febs: i think i'll learn to appreciate it :-) |
17:08:39 | LinusN | humulus: good |
17:08:39 | humulus | when i turn it on again, it's white again |
17:09:00 | Febs | OK, great. I think it will be a big improvement on navigability. |
17:09:16 | Febs | This is based on an informal study that I conducted. |
17:09:16 | LinusN | Febs: i'll give it a go |
17:09:31 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: h300 brightness works fine |
17:09:44 | Febs | I installed the patch on my wife's H100 and she stopped complaining that she couldn't figure out how to use Rockbox. :) |
17:09:58 | humulus | LinusN: i don't know if this is good :) |
17:10:25 | LinusN | humulus: are you using the original rockbox bootloader? |
17:10:31 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: cool x5? |
17:10:41 | humulus | LinusN: no |
17:10:52 | humulus | it's cowon fw |
17:11:00 | goffa | Febs: i replied to your forum post.. basically what i meant was that it wasn't any less keystrokes to reload the playlist than use the queuing functions |
17:11:22 | humulus | no rockbox yet, but soon i'll do so ;o) |
17:11:28 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: x5 is fine too |
17:11:40 | LinusN | humulus: ouch |
17:11:59 | LinusN | humulus: what happens if you reset it and then insert the charger? |
17:12:12 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | Linus: Great. Thanks for testing it out. |
17:12:13 | humulus | LinusN: did not try yet :) |
17:12:20 | humulus | wait i'll get it |
17:12:25 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: want me to commit? |
17:13:15 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Yes. I have nothing further to add to it. |
17:13:46 | LinusN | Miquelito Sevasquez? |
17:14:18 | humulus | LinusN: still a white screen |
17:14:35 | * | dwihno sneaks in the piezo stuff in Linus's cvs commit ;) |
17:14:37 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | The contrast control is another story entirely. It's rather psychedelic. OF just does gamma changes. |
17:15:20 | humulus | crap |
17:15:58 | humulus | LinusN: so is this a software problem or a hardware one? |
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17:16:16 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: is it Miguelito Sevasquez or Michael Sevakis? |
17:16:39 | LinusN | humulus: probably a hardware issue, did you drop it? |
17:16:50 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: *L* That's what they call me in Puerto Rico but Michael Sevakis is it. |
17:16:55 | humulus | no i didn't |
17:17:23 | LinusN | humulus: i had a similar issue yesterday when i assembled an X5. I had to reconnect the LCD connector |
17:17:36 | goffa | jdgordon's byorb looks cool |
17:17:51 | humulus | LinusN: so i have to open the case? |
17:18:22 | humulus | damn i do not have any tiny screw drivers ;( |
17:18:48 | LinusN | humulus: you don't have a warranty? |
17:19:25 | humulus | i do have, but i order over amazon.de |
17:19:33 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | LinusN: Did you discover was wrong with the patch hunk? Take your time; I'll catch it in the buffer...I see you're busy. |
17:20:30 | LinusN | ^_jsMikeS_^: yes, it was a CR/LF issue |
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17:20:59 | humulus | well i have to check how it works etc ... |
17:22:58 | ^_jsMikeS_^ | hmmm...I always save as UNIX LF but I didn't edit it after cvs -u diff anyway. Wierd. |
17:24:02 | LinusN | it was probably the original file that was CR/LF |
17:25:50 | LinusN | gotta go, cu later |
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17:27:43 | linuxstb | Does anyone recognise the format/encryption used in this iriver T30 firmware upgrade? http://www.iriverplus.com/tools/UMS/T/T30/T30_ENG_UM_OK.ZIP (Bagder?) |
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17:34:59 | merbanan | linuxstb: did you try to feed it through the latest version of mi4decode ? |
17:41:01 | linuxstb | merbanan: It appears to have been hacked long ago... It's the same as the iFP firmware. I'm just trying mi4decode now. |
17:48:14 | linuxstb | No, mi4code doesn't like the format - it tells me invalid file header. |
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17:52:40 | markun | linuxstb: who hacked the ifp firmware? |
17:54:34 | linuxstb | Tomek I believe - as part of the Rockbox port. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IfpCryptanalysis |
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17:59:47 | linuxstb | There also seems to be a working encrypter/decrypter here (with C source): http://members.lycos.co.uk/xeptmx/ |
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18:01:09 | linuxstb | Both programs give me identical output, but they appear to have been developed independently... |
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18:01:55 | linuxstb | But the bad news is that the T30 appears to have no kind of recovery mode - the .HEX is flashed, so if it's bad, the player's bricked. |
18:03:46 | k8to | hm, does anyone on the project have an external flash programmer? |
18:03:50 | markun | linuxstb: can you spot any calmrisc code in the firmware? |
18:04:16 | linuxstb | I wouldn't know how. |
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18:32:16 | excitatory | what is the most elegant procedure for updating the version of rockbox on the device? (i.e., most automated; a way in which config files are preserved, etc) |
18:32:30 | excitatory | or is it pretty much all manual at this point? |
18:33:15 | freqmod | excitatory: if you want your configuration to be saved save it in the menu before upgrading |
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18:33:56 | RancidLM | hey a little OT question is thier a hardware way of getting rid of all your songs/playlist.. ..like a format? |
18:34:18 | freqmod | Menu -> manage settings ->save .cfg file (and then load .cfg file) |
18:34:35 | goffa | RancidLM: You could just delete your music folder |
18:34:44 | RancidLM | ya? that would work? |
18:34:54 | goffa | Yeah |
18:35:10 | RancidLM | what about the Db? |
18:35:11 | goffa | Woludn't be a "format" but would get rid of the stuff in the subdirs |
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18:35:18 | goffa | hmm... |
18:35:27 | goffa | well update it after you nuke your tunes |
18:35:38 | goffa | that should make it go away too (or go down to nothing) |
18:35:56 | RancidLM | hmm aight ill give it a try. :) thnx! |
18:36:01 | goffa | np |
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18:38:00 | excitatory | freqmod: ok, thanks for the tip. |
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18:55:29 | Gnelik | mi4code.c:700:20: error: gcrypt.h: No such file or directory |
18:55:29 | Gnelik | Cannot build mi4code.c with gcc -o mi4code mi4code.c -lgcrypt |
18:55:56 | freqmod | gcc -I/usr/include ... (or wherever gcrypt.h is) |
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18:58:34 | freqmod | Does anybody know why the english translation of LANG_TAGCACHE_DISK is empty ("")? |
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18:59:55 | erich | Hi, what is the X5 state? the cvs build webpage lists warnings for the "x5 sim" builds... |
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19:00:14 | erich | it doesn't list for the regular x5 build. |
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19:00:32 | erich | so is the cvs version "about as good as usually" (i.e. works fine? ;-)) |
19:01:19 | erich | because I'd really like to get a new firmware with the usbotg chip powered down. ;-) |
19:04:29 | Gnelik | Bagder : what is Sansa e200 state |
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19:19:40 | freqmod | How do i create .voice files, it is written in the wiki that the voice files changed at 2006-04-03, but the voicefont.c(pp) file in the voice building wiki page was updated before that date (at 2005-01-31) :( |
19:21:41 | Slasheri | freqmod: that translation has been removed |
19:21:58 | freqmod | does it mean that voice files does not work anymore? |
19:22:23 | Slasheri | hmm, shouldn't |
19:22:44 | freqmod | should i use the voicefont.c(pp) from that page anyways? |
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19:23:01 | Slasheri | hmm, i am not sure about the voice files |
19:24:19 | freqmod | it seems like the last voice file upladed to twiki is from 17 Jun 2006 |
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19:24:45 | freqmod | the last for cvs is from 15 may 2006 |
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19:25:23 | Slasheri | you should be able to use older voice file also, it just doesn't include all new strings |
19:27:12 | freqmod | if the voicefont.cpp from 2005-01-31 works (I will try it now) then twiki should be updated to prevent misunderstanding |
19:27:55 | Slasheri | 2005.. that sounds too old |
19:28:12 | freqmod | where to find a more recent voicefont.cpp? |
19:28:32 | Slasheri | hmm, maybe someone else knows better about that :) |
19:29:33 | markun | Slasheri: ever thought of adding morse output to rockbox? |
19:30:16 | Slasheri | markun: hehe :) do you mean that it could be an alternative way to spell the strings? |
19:31:08 | markun | yes, and would be a perfect addition to your morse input :) |
19:31:22 | Slasheri | true :D |
19:31:27 | Slasheri | hmm, i will keep that in mind ;) |
19:31:29 | markun | Do you ever use it? |
19:31:39 | Slasheri | the input, yes |
19:31:41 | markun | Too bad I don't know morse |
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19:31:50 | Slasheri | but it's not hard to learn :) |
19:32:26 | * | freqmod wonders if morse with the piezo would be cool |
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19:43:26 | BigMac | jd gordon here? |
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20:10:28 | Slasheri | ah.. fixed a problem with unicode crashing |
20:10:44 | Slasheri | should fix a crash with some mp3 files while reading metadata at least |
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20:29:24 | goffa | nah. that'll calm you down during a bad trip |
20:29:34 | goffa | or something :) |
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21:01:19 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Any luck trying to load the H10's original firmware? |
21:01:28 | Lear | Build server is stuck again... |
21:02:03 | * | linuxstb_ pings Bagder and LinusN |
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21:19:00 | LinusN | linuxstb: pong |
21:19:51 | linuxstb_ | Lear said the build server is stuck again... |
21:20:38 | LinusN | fixed |
21:20:46 | linuxstb_ | Thank you kind sir. |
21:21:03 | linuxstb_ | Is it a co-incidence, or are all the crashes happening around 18:00 GMT? |
21:21:03 | LinusN | i wish i knew why it does that |
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21:21:33 | LinusN | interesting if it is so |
21:21:56 | nls | ummm..... what does "Jump Scroll" do (appears to be player only (in display settings)) ? |
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21:23:33 | LinusN | it scrolls a page at a time |
21:24:16 | LinusN | the text "abcdefghijklmnop" is scrolled like this: |
21:24:26 | nls | a page as in two lines? |
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21:24:52 | LinusN | "abcdefghijk" and then |
21:25:12 | LinusN | "lmnop" |
21:25:20 | LinusN | with a pause in between |
21:25:24 | webguest63 | Slasheri: will the change to plugin.h need a version API bump? |
21:25:32 | LinusN | instead of scrolling a character at a time |
21:25:45 | LinusN | much like the iriver OF way of doing it |
21:25:55 | nls | oh I see, I noticed that it was missing from the manual, well one less fixme :) |
21:25:58 | amiconn | (jump scroll) prefers to split at word boundaries |
21:26:31 | LinusN | aha |
21:28:41 | LinusN | gtg |
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21:31:47 | nls | I don't get the Jump scroll delay, when I set it high, short lines scroll paged and lon ones scroll a character at a time. |
21:36:50 | Slasheri | webmind: hmm, i don't think that is necessary |
21:37:33 | Slasheri | it only changes the signess and shouldn't cause any issues unless strings are really huuge (not possible) |
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21:40:12 | barrywardell | linuxstb: haven't got any further yet. it starts to load it but then seems to crash. i have a couple of ideas to look into later |
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21:44:33 | linuxstb_ | Something that could be interesting is to read and dump the GPIO ports to a file when you boot - and try booting in various different conditions, such as with the hold switch on and off, usb inserted and not inserted, other keys pressed or not pressed - to see if you can start identifying what's connected to the GPIO. That could give you a way to choose whether to boot the original firmware or Rockbox. |
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21:44:46 | RaeNye | Aloha |
21:45:03 | linuxstb_ | To see how to do that, search for "gpio_a" in apps/debug_menu.c |
21:45:20 | * | RaeNye has too much RL |
21:45:58 | RaeNye | and it's all erupting at once |
21:47:28 | dionoea | hello |
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21:48:16 | RaeNye | jsmikes: are you alive? |
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21:50:40 | BigMac | has anyone seen jdgordon recently |
21:52:06 | RaeNye | well, gtg. |
21:52:12 | * | RaeNye snaps his finger |
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21:53:02 | linuxstb_ | BigMac: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ :) |
21:53:57 | * | dionoea suggests adding timezone info on the IrcNicks page |
21:54:00 | BigMac | linux:what am i looking at here |
21:55:04 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon lives in Australia... Check the time in Sydney. |
21:55:22 | BigMac | ohhhhh |
21:55:26 | BigMac | i didn't know that |
21:56:18 | BigMac | anyone know of a p2p service similar to limewire that has a larger selection f ogg files |
21:56:20 | BigMac | or flac |
21:56:27 | BigMac | i cant find any that do |
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21:58:38 | k8to | bigmac: at the risk of going offtopic, soulseek has a tendency to vary formats and higher quality that results in some ogg and flac |
21:59:27 | BigMac | is this soulseek free |
21:59:58 | barrywardell | linuxstb: thanks.i'm leaving for home now in a sec so i'll try that later |
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22:03:09 | k8to | BigMac: at this point, i recommend you go use a search engine |
22:03:21 | BigMac | i did:-) |
22:04:14 | k8to | A+ |
22:04:53 | BigMac | who hoo |
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22:17:05 | goffa | hmm.. that x5 backlight fix.. wonder if that'll help battery |
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22:22:24 | tictric | Hi folks |
22:22:38 | bluebrother | hi |
22:23:16 | tictric | How do I keep my ipod g5 from resetting on and on and on when trying to charge directly from a plug with adapter? |
22:23:30 | freqmod | hold MENU |
22:23:59 | freqmod | press the menu button while you insert the adapter |
22:23:59 | tictric | didn't help, that only helps when plugging into a computer |
22:24:57 | freqmod | it works for me..., you have to hold before you insert the charger and until the charging icon appears |
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22:27:53 | tictric | freqmod: so that it loads ipod firmware? |
22:29:04 | freqmod | it does not restart (when you are using rockbox) and inserting the power cable while you are pressing the menu button... (will check now) |
22:29:40 | freqmod | maybe it does not work with your version (mine is cvs from today) |
22:32:03 | tictric | ah, but it doesn't work when it's off and i plug it in. Then it keeps rebooting. |
22:32:16 | linuxstb_ | No. You need to be running Rockbox first. |
22:32:53 | freqmod | yes it does, rockbox won't work if the cable is connected upon startup |
22:34:00 | * | freqmod would like to see ipodloader2 going to some kind of charging mode when the power is connected upon startup |
22:34:17 | bluebrother | nls, you're in? |
22:35:37 | tictric | btw, ipod shouldn't reset when disconnecting from the computer and _hold_ is still on. I think it should check wheter _hold_ is already on when rebooting or not |
22:36:17 | linuxstb_ | tictric: Suggest it to Apple - when the ipod is in disk mode, it's running Apple's firmware. |
22:39:21 | bluebrother | tictric, you're referring to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5718 ? |
22:40:27 | tictric | bluebrother: yep, shoulda asked here first :-) |
22:40:54 | bluebrother | so this happens with the apple fw running? |
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22:41:56 | tictric | bluebrother: I plug the ipod on my linux machine and do stuff but sometimes I still have the hold button _on_ |
22:42:29 | tictric | when I forget this and disconnect without switching the hold button to _off_ rockbox resets to its default settings |
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22:42:52 | bluebrother | are you running the apple firmware (as I understood the discussion)? Thus this would be not a rockbox issue (and then I'd like to close that task) |
22:43:51 | tictric | no I've never used apple firmware, yet. I bought that thing and first thing I did was installing rockbox. Not a single song in itunes thingy |
22:44:37 | bluebrother | ah, ok. Then I misunderstood it slightly. |
22:45:25 | tictric | I think rockbox should check whether hold is already _on_ or is _being switched on_ while booting |
22:46:31 | nls | bluebrother, here |
22:46:47 | bluebrother | linuxstb_, can I close this one? As I understood Rolo is now implemented on ipods. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5621 |
22:46:58 | linuxstb_ | How would it check that? When Rockbox starts, hold is either on or it isn't... But I think everyone wants to find a better way to reset settings, instead of using hold. |
22:47:16 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Rolo is implemented, but buggy. I'm still trying to get it working properly. |
22:47:57 | bluebrother | nls, I just looked over your last changes −− you know we have manufacturer specific opts now? |
22:48:49 | nls | yes, what were you thinking about? |
22:49:18 | bluebrother | only the opt for the upside down settings −− as I recognized it this applies to all ipods for now. |
22:49:40 | bluebrother | not as it is important but I thought maybe you just didn't knew of that. |
22:50:58 | nls | wait, i nopted that... so it's wrong? *goes checking* |
22:51:18 | bluebrother | btw, we should replace all pageref's with references to section numbers. Page numbers look really strange on the html manual ;-) |
22:51:32 | bluebrother | nls, there is nothing wrong, it just may have been shorter. |
22:52:13 | nls | yea saw that "see blah on page 305" |
22:53:25 | bluebrother | I think it's funny htlatex generates page numbers that are way bigger than the actual page count of the pdf manual ;-) |
22:53:52 | nls | indeed :-) |
22:54:27 | tictric | another user question: I can copy and paste playlists but I can't move them like other files or do you guys think it preferable if all playlists are in root? |
22:54:47 | nls | but back to the upside down thingy it is actually available on all bitmap targets except _color_ ipods... |
22:55:00 | bluebrother | tictric, use cut & paste. |
22:55:07 | low_light | I just fixed this bug http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5685 if someone wants to close it. |
22:55:15 | bluebrother | nls, oh, wasn't aware of that. |
22:55:36 | bluebrother | low_light, closed. |
22:55:50 | bluebrother | it's always nice to get the tracker a bit more tidy :) |
22:55:52 | nls | nm but this \opt \nopt stuff is getting as bad as the infamous #ifdef hell |
22:55:58 | low_light | bluebrother: thanks |
22:57:12 | bluebrother | nls, true. I hope this will get better when we can use capabilities opting even more. |
22:57:20 | bluebrother | Still, the button stuff is awful. |
22:58:03 | nls | yep but introducing more options in the platform files would be nice, if we can think of any useful ones... |
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22:58:37 | nls | oh well gotta get some sleep now, gnight' |
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23:02:24 | Bger | nite |
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23:08:02 | * | Bagder tried "manufactor mode" on his sansa |
23:08:15 | Bagder | and now it can't be shut off... |
23:08:19 | Bagder | :-P |
23:09:21 | Mikachu | i've been away for a week, did i miss anything? |
23:09:31 | scottder | I was gonna ask how things are going with the Sansa....never mind |
23:09:32 | scottder | :) |
23:09:43 | Bagder | hehe |
23:10:12 | Bagder | so I was told I need a special driver too, but I wanted to try what happened |
23:10:15 | Bagder | now I know |
23:10:21 | Bagder | the ring glows eternally |
23:10:22 | scottder | I'll instead ask how Bagder things the progress is going :) |
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23:11:27 | Bagder | the H10 camp seems to be cheering wildly |
23:11:37 | Bagder | for their brand new "skinning" ability |
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23:12:29 | RaiderX | hello |
23:12:52 | RaiderX | someone answer thsi question please. Is it possible to use the ipl loader2 with only rockbox and not ipl installed? |
23:13:02 | dionoea | yes |
23:13:18 | RaiderX | ok, do i just install it normally? or do i have to do anythign else? |
23:13:27 | * | dionoea doesn't have a clue |
23:13:40 | RaiderX | i dont wanan lose all ym music :x |
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23:14:06 | RaiderX | but maybe i wont need the loader if u have any idea why holding down the menu button doesnt load up the apple os on boot |
23:14:14 | RaiderX | it just keeps loading rockbox :/ |
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23:15:38 | dionoea | what ipod do you have ? |
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23:16:28 | RaiderX | 30gb 5g |
23:17:12 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: If only that much effort was put into Rockbox.... |
23:17:39 | Bagder | yeah |
23:18:02 | linuxstb_ | RaiderX: You can just follow the Rockbox installation instructions, but instead of bootloader-XXXXX.bin in the instructions, replace with loader2.bin |
23:18:23 | RaiderX | i already have rockbox installed thoguh |
23:18:42 | linuxstb_ | Did you keep a backup of your bootpartiton.bin and/or apple_os.bin ? |
23:18:55 | RaiderX | no |
23:19:07 | RaiderX | >_> |
23:19:10 | linuxstb_ | Ah.... |
23:19:14 | dionoea | dionoea/ipod/">http://people.via.ecp.fr/~dionoea/ipod/ |
23:19:18 | dionoea | or something like that |
23:19:21 | dionoea | (has a backup) |
23:19:41 | RaiderX | so exactly what am i supposed to do, use that to uninstall rockbox? |
23:19:44 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: So your Sansa is still in manufacturer mode? |
23:19:49 | Bagder | yes |
23:20:05 | Bagder | I guess I'll just let it discharge |
23:20:13 | Bagder | it has not reset anywhere |
23:20:14 | Bagder | no |
23:20:43 | linuxstb_ | Nasty... No hard-wired button combination like the ipods then? |
23:20:53 | Bagder | not that I know of at least |
23:20:54 | dionoea | RaiderX: what if you keep menu pressed from the start ? |
23:20:59 | dionoea | never let it go |
23:21:32 | RaiderX | treid that |
23:21:40 | RaiderX | still loads rockbox |
23:21:43 | dionoea | shut the ipod |
23:21:52 | dionoea | and reall ykeep menu pressed |
23:21:53 | RaiderX | shut it? |
23:21:57 | RaiderX | oh yea |
23:22:02 | RaiderX | i tried that :X |
23:22:41 | linuxstb_ | Try holding PLAY instead of MENU - some people find that works more reliably. (it will attempt to load IPL, but then when it doesn't find it, default to the Apple firmware) |
23:23:11 | RaiderX | i actually tried pplay because i thoguht mayeb i had the wrong button and that doesnt work either |
23:23:29 | dionoea | you're pressing it before the apple logo shows up right ? |
23:23:32 | RaiderX | ooh it worked |
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23:23:55 | RaiderX | ok, thanks |
23:24:04 | linuxstb_ | PLAY worked, or MENU? |
23:24:07 | RaiderX | play |
23:24:28 | RaiderX | im gonan try menu now to see, it might be because i just put it into disk mode |
23:24:37 | RaiderX | and that somehow made ti work :/ |
23:24:50 | merbanan | Bagder: and holding the menu button for 15 seconds didn't work ? |
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23:25:13 | Bagder | aha! |
23:25:16 | Bagder | that worked |
23:25:18 | Bagder | thanks |
23:25:22 | RaiderX | nope, the play button just works and menu doesnt |
23:25:27 | linuxstb_ | So it does have a hardware reset? |
23:25:34 | RaiderX | o well, at least i can switch if i need to |
23:26:01 | Bagder | it could very well be a hw reset |
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23:26:32 | linuxstb_ | It would be odd if there was no way to recover from a software crash. |
23:26:41 | Bagder | true |
23:26:48 | dionoea | wait for the battery to emtpy |
23:26:53 | dionoea | that'll always work :) |
23:28:17 | linuxstb_ | So what does "manufacturer mode" do? |
23:28:40 | Bagder | I don't know, its a magic upgrade mode |
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23:28:53 | Bagder | "As of now we can not give out manufacturing mode to anyone outside sandisk or sandisk vendors," |
23:29:08 | linuxstb_ | Let's become a sandisk vendor... |
23:29:21 | barrywardell | Bagder: it's true that 'skinning' the H10 is generating all the hype, but it also seems to be generating some interest for people who want to help get rockbox working on the h10 too |
23:29:32 | Bagder | yes |
23:29:36 | Bagder | that's the upside of it |
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23:29:58 | goffa | that would rule if you were sandisk vendors.. of course they'd probably want to close your code :) |
23:30:23 | Bagder | there are very few people seemingly interested in helping out the sansa effort |
23:30:33 | linuxstb_ | Not even sandisk... |
23:30:39 | Bagder | yeah, including them |
23:31:02 | merbanan | Bagder: isn't there some self tests you can do in the bootloader ? |
23:31:03 | linuxstb_ | So it's just you at the moment? :) |
23:31:18 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, as far as I know |
23:31:35 | Bagder | merbanan: perhaps, I don't know |
23:31:59 | dionoea | that's weird ... if they're the one to ask for a port why don't they help you a bit ? (at least with specs) |
23:32:02 | merbanan | Bagder: I remember seeing references to memtests and codec tests when I looked at the firmware |
23:32:33 | Bagder | dionoea: because the one who asked us doesn't have the info nor clues to understand those things |
23:33:02 | merbanan | dionoea: might be the marketing division acting without knowing the agreements they have with other companies |
23:33:03 | dionoea | then why are you doing it ? it kind of look they asked you to work for free... |
23:33:11 | dionoea | *looks |
23:33:16 | Bagder | for the challange |
23:33:25 | Bagder | and I did get a player to play with |
23:33:34 | Bagder | so I'm trying hard to brick it ;-P |
23:33:45 | linuxstb_ | Good excuse to give up the port :) |
23:33:45 | * | dionoea tells every hardware manufacturer to send a player to badger and fire all they software people |
23:33:50 | merbanan | wasn't it 2 ? or did you brick one already |
23:33:58 | Bagder | no, Linus has the other one |
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23:33:59 | dionoea | their |
23:34:09 | Bagder | although I'm not sure he even has started it yet ;-) |
23:34:40 | Bagder | I wonder if Linus is the current leader in shear amount of players |
23:34:53 | linuxstb_ | I think he said he had 14 the other day. |
23:34:53 | dionoea | how many does he own ? |
23:34:59 | dionoea | wow ... impressive :) |
23:35:05 | Bagder | he counted 15 before the sansa iirc |
23:35:17 | dionoea | all run rockbox ? |
23:35:21 | Bagder | not the sansa |
23:35:26 | Bagder | but the others do |
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23:36:17 | * | dionoea wonders if he used them all to actually listen to music |
23:37:23 | * | linuxstb wonders if any of the other PP5020 based DAPs are interesting |
23:38:28 | Bagder | most of them I've never heard of nor seen |
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23:41:46 | merbanan | Bagder: so the sansa doesn't have a documented recovery mode ? |
23:42:07 | Bagder | I don't know, I read about the recovery mode in the forum only |
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23:42:56 | linuxstb | The m-audio microtrack could be interesting - if I was interested in recording... And it comes with a free copy of Audacity :) |
23:43:51 | freqmod | ohhh, what an expencive piece software to get for free |
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