00:00:14 | barrywardell | when I try to access it in any way. eg. when i fun mkfs, or fdisk |
00:00:29 | barrywardell | up until then, it is ok |
00:00:32 | Bagder | that sounds seriously screwed |
00:01:16 | dionoea | do they provide a recovery mode ? |
00:01:18 | amiconn | Does that only happen with th H10, or maybe also other UMS devices? |
00:01:41 | barrywardell | it's the recovery mode that i'm trying |
00:01:44 | * | amiconn remembers a few people talking about linux' USB system acting up |
00:02:05 | Bagder | in the sansa's recovery mode, it comes up paritionless |
00:02:06 | dionoea | i rmmod ehci_usb before plugin my ipod to my laptop |
00:02:12 | Bagder | and I need to mount the "root" device |
00:02:16 | barrywardell | amiconn: i've just tried it on linux, macos and windows 2000 |
00:02:44 | Bagder | ie, not mount sda1 as usual but plain sda |
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00:07:12 | barrywardell | whenever I try to access sda at all it seems to reset the usb connection |
00:07:44 | webguest38 | Hello again, there was a forum post earlier about contrast issues on the latest build - I'm still experiencing the problem even though someone said they'd fixed it, any ideas? |
00:08:01 | dionoea | barrywardell: that happens every time if i keep ehci_hcd loaded in linux. Don't know if that helps though |
00:10:06 | Bagder | and as amiconn asked, does other UMS devices still work? |
00:11:31 | barrywardell | not sure. don't have any other UMS devices with me |
00:11:42 | barrywardell | but I have tried it on 3 different computers |
00:12:07 | dionoea | maybe the batteries are too low |
00:12:11 | dionoea | (just guessing) |
00:13:07 | barrywardell | it's a possibility, but I don't think so |
00:13:13 | barrywardell | it charges by usb |
00:14:20 | barrywardell | this is very frustrating |
00:14:21 | dionoea | the archos recorder used to discharge when the disk was spining even if you had the power cord plugged in |
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00:16:12 | barrywardell | i suppose i could just leave it to charge for a while |
00:17:27 | barrywardell | normally a "low battery" warning comes up though |
00:18:09 | dionoea | did you do anything special like try a new hacked firmware ? :) |
00:18:53 | barrywardell | it was definitely my own fault. I was using a modified Rockbox bootloader |
00:19:25 | barrywardell | it wasn't really anything I hadn't done several times before though |
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00:23:27 | maquis | i'm having trouble getting out of some of the included plugins without turning off the entire player? is there something i'm missing? I tried holding down buttons, but it didn't seem to help |
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00:26:07 | dionoea | maquis: what player do you have ? |
00:26:19 | maquis | dionoea: i've got a 1st gen. ipod mini |
00:26:38 | dionoea | try stuff like holding menu or select+menu |
00:26:54 | maquis | menu was what i was trying first |
00:26:54 | dionoea | (at least that's how i do it on the ipod video) |
00:26:58 | maquis | it worked on a few... |
00:27:02 | maquis | select worked on some others |
00:27:06 | dionoea | some need the combo |
00:27:22 | maquis | ok.. i'll try the combo |
00:27:58 | maquis | dionoea: looks like that was the problem..... :) thanks! |
00:28:05 | dionoea | you're welcome :) |
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00:39:17 | dionoea | 'night |
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00:51:00 | BockBilbo | hello |
00:51:20 | BockBilbo | any of you listens to your rockbox device on your car' |
00:51:21 | BockBilbo | ? |
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00:53:05 | filR | jup. |
00:53:08 | filR | me for example. |
00:54:32 | Landus | Uh. |
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00:54:45 | Landus | I found a few songs that started skipping on my h3x0. |
00:54:55 | Landus | Is it a disk problem? |
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01:05:44 | BockBilbo | filR, and how do you do to listen to it? |
01:06:02 | BockBilbo | does your car player have a line input? |
01:06:08 | filR | BockBilbo: luckily my car (radio) has an aux input. |
01:06:09 | filR | yes. |
01:06:11 | BockBilbo | or u use any kind of special device? |
01:06:13 | k8to | Landus: if you load on another copy of the same songs, do they skip also, do different newly loaded songs not skip? |
01:06:13 | * | Bagder uses a cassette-adapter |
01:06:13 | BockBilbo | ohh |
01:06:19 | BockBilbo | i hope mine has too |
01:06:29 | filR | but it is normally very simple to add a line in to most radios. |
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01:06:43 | BockBilbo | i could get an ipod addapter, but costs like 220 euros |
01:06:44 | filR | another option is a cassette adapter or fm tuner. |
01:06:47 | BockBilbo | which is A LOT |
01:06:49 | BockBilbo | yeah |
01:06:55 | filR | 220 euros? oO |
01:06:59 | BockBilbo | i know.. mine doesnt have a cassette adapter |
01:07:18 | filR | well, fm transmitters are illegal here in austria. but you can get them on ebay rather cheap. |
01:07:18 | BockBilbo | i was thinking on getting a fm tuner, but not sure if the quality would be good enough |
01:07:45 | Bagder | fm transmit is the worst quality solution but decent enough for in-car use imho |
01:08:03 | filR | imo also. after all .. it is a car. |
01:08:06 | BockBilbo | i know Bagder... on my old car i used the cassette solution |
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01:08:21 | filR | and unless you get a fancy audio a8 with 20 speakers .. why bother with audio quality? :D |
01:08:25 | k8to | when are car stereos going to start featuring line-in? :~( |
01:08:30 | BockBilbo | im going to ask if i can add a input cable to the car player |
01:08:36 | BockBilbo | xD |
01:08:39 | filR | k8to: my new honda jazz has a line in. :) |
01:08:43 | Bagder | k8to: they do these days |
01:08:51 | k8to | oh, fancypants |
01:08:52 | BockBilbo | i have a brand new golf with 8 speakes, which isnt that bad either |
01:08:54 | BockBilbo | :) |
01:09:01 | filR | the reason i bought an ipod (and put rockbox on it). |
01:09:02 | k8to | i have yet to encounter such |
01:09:09 | filR | BockBilbo: nice. |
01:09:24 | BockBilbo | :) |
01:09:38 | BockBilbo | is it possible to build an adapter for the ipod manually? |
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01:10:19 | BockBilbo | because i bet the official vw addapter is just a cable that on real conditions should cost just like 3 euros or so |
01:10:38 | filR | i would try adding a line in cable to the (back of the) radio. if you don't feel like doing it yourself, i would ask at the auto shop. |
01:10:45 | filR | normally it is rather easy and inexpensive. :) |
01:11:05 | BockBilbo | perhaps the guy that has sell me the car is a good friend of my mother |
01:11:08 | filR | the golf does have default sized radios, right? |
01:11:20 | BockBilbo | mmm not sure |
01:11:25 | BockBilbo | the radio i have is wierd |
01:11:28 | filR | :) |
01:11:34 | BockBilbo | is like double size high |
01:11:43 | filR | my car sadly also has a weird sized proprietary radio. :( |
01:11:58 | BockBilbo | but has an input! |
01:12:02 | BockBilbo | you are lucky |
01:12:08 | filR | yes, yes i am. :D |
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01:12:30 | BockBilbo | so, if the guy says that i have no line in option, should i get an fm adapter? |
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01:12:55 | filR | i really couldn't tell you. i am hardly a car audio expert. |
01:13:06 | filR | but you could try google'ing for a solution. |
01:13:19 | filR | there are a surprising amount of auto forums on the net. |
01:13:22 | BockBilbo | ive tried, but found nothing |
01:13:26 | BockBilbo | yeah |
01:13:29 | BockBilbo | plenty of them |
01:13:39 | filR | now i know exactly what the maximum speed of my car is. ;) |
01:13:54 | BockBilbo | haha |
01:15:01 | BockBilbo | thanks filR :) |
01:15:14 | BockBilbo | ill take note of what you've said |
01:15:18 | BockBilbo | i gotta go to sleep |
01:15:20 | BockBilbo | gnite to all |
01:15:23 | filR | np. |
01:15:28 | filR | good night BockBilbo. |
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01:25:32 | amiconn | gui/color_picker.c:267: error: `SLIDER_RC_OK' undeclared (first use in this function) |
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01:31:11 | filR | gute night barrywardell_ |
01:31:14 | filR | -e |
01:31:20 | filR | damn german. ignore me. |
01:31:25 | barrywardell_ | byr |
01:31:41 | barrywardell_ | i mean bye |
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02:21:48 | task0 | hi |
02:22:00 | task0 | i need a little support here |
02:24:11 | * | JdGordon forces his way to be ahead of the pack to help |
02:24:51 | midkay | haha. |
02:24:59 | task0 | i already have the rockbox-ipodnano-20060727.zip |
02:25:03 | task0 | now... ? :'/ |
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02:25:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | So your question is...? |
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02:25:31 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
02:25:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Can we safely assume then that you haven't read the install directions? |
02:25:45 | task0 | how do i install rockbox-ipodnano-20060727.zip to mi ipod nano |
02:25:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | JdGordon: He needs IpodPort, or more specifically IpodInstallation |
02:26:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at the very least, simply read the manual |
02:26:15 | JdGordon | hehe, woops, im still half aslweep obviously |
02:26:18 | k8to | when i read the manual recently, it seemed to make sense |
02:26:39 | k8to | there was a nice chapter about installation |
02:26:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | We try to keep the manual useful, yeah. :) |
02:27:04 | k8to | my complements to the authors |
02:27:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a few really dedicated guys who've done a ton of work on it. |
02:27:46 | k8to | task0: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
02:27:49 | task0 | are daily buid ok, or should wait for a final rls? |
02:27:53 | k8to | task0: is one set of information |
02:28:07 | k8to | task0: although i have read that the manual is more up to date (for some reason?) |
02:28:22 | midkay | probably easier to read.. |
02:28:45 | midkay | divided more clearly into sections and device-specific as well as clear sections of "code" versus plaintext. |
02:29:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: The manual isn't really more up to date necessarily. But you get installation instructions specific for your device, so there's less likelihood of confusion from the "If you have iPod5G, do this extra step too" and stuff. |
02:29:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | As midkay said |
02:29:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | task0: If you want to wait for a final release for iPod, it's going to be a long while yet. |
02:30:02 | task0 | :( |
02:30:18 | midkay | aka - daily builds are the only thing available and they work fine. or usually do. |
02:30:24 | task0 | is there eny recomndable build? |
02:30:34 | midkay | the latest daily. |
02:30:39 | task0 | :D |
02:30:41 | task0 | ok |
02:30:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Daily or CVS |
02:30:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Statistically speaking, a CVS build should be as stable as a daily. |
02:31:18 | task0 | is the WORST thing that could happen is, loose all mi music and have to resptores using apple restore? |
02:31:23 | midkay | who let the build table go to hell? :) |
02:31:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | task0: Actually, as long as you do things the right way it can't even get that bad. |
02:32:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | task0: Follow the steps carefully, and keep the bootpartition.bin file that you originally extract, and the worst thing that can happen is that you decide you don't like it and uninstall, or can't get it working and uninstall. |
02:32:47 | task0 | uninstall = use apple restore? |
02:33:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Nope |
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02:33:41 | k8to | is apple restore ever a damaging operation? |
02:33:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | You should never need to use apple restore, so long as you keep the bootpartition.bin file around |
02:33:56 | task0 | if that goes wrong? |
02:34:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | If what goes wrong? |
02:34:16 | task0 | the original bootpartition.bin |
02:34:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | k8to: Apple Restore destroys the contents of your disk. It's a full reformat. I consider that *always* damaging |
02:34:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | task0: A noun can't go wrong... |
02:34:39 | task0 | lol |
02:34:40 | task0 | wel |
02:34:49 | k8to | hmm |
02:34:50 | k8to | okay |
02:34:52 | task0 | i mean if i fuckd up the booting |
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02:35:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still don't quite get what you're asking. |
02:35:30 | task0 | worst case scenario |
02:35:49 | dwihno | worst case, you break the boot partition and need to restore it using the apple thing |
02:35:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | As I said, as long as you follow our instructions, the worst case scenario is you have to write bootpartition.bin back. |
02:36:05 | midkay | conflicting messages! :o |
02:36:14 | dwihno | well, either way works |
02:36:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you for some stupid reason delete the file, or it somehow becomes corrupt on your disk, THEN you have to restore, but this almost requires hardware failure or you choosing to delete it. |
02:36:38 | midkay | apple restore = wipe disk. restore bootpartition = uninstall rockbox. |
02:36:40 | midkay | quite different. :) |
02:36:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hardware failure is always a worst case scenario, but not one we should ever bother with. |
02:36:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, your iPod could randomly melt. Not something we can take steps to prevent. |
02:37:03 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: can't you just go back to the updater and "update" to erase Rockbox? |
02:37:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: You can only update if your Apple firmware version isn't current. |
02:37:26 | midkay | might need to use iPodWizard to trick the updater into thinking your firmware version isn't current, so.. |
02:37:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it is current, you have to use external tools to change the version string, or something |
02:37:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a LOT easier just to "ipodpatcher -w 1 bootpartition.bin" and be done with it. |
02:37:46 | midkay | right, but restoring isn't necessary in such a case. optional. |
02:38:06 | midkay | right, but "If you for some stupid reason delete the file, or it somehow becomes corrupt on your disk, THEN you have to restore, but this almost requires hardware failure or you choosing to delete it." - or, use iPodWizard to fool the updater and just update. |
02:38:14 | midkay | just hope that's clear, restoring isn't necessary in such a state. |
02:38:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: True, but if you're using ipodwizard you can also extract the bootpartition from it, I believe. |
02:38:30 | midkay | hm? not afaik.. |
02:38:36 | midkay | from "it"? |
02:38:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Using Ipodwizard you can get an apple firmware image for your player from the updater. |
02:39:04 | midkay | indeed? i've never seen such an option. |
02:39:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | This is what I've been told, by many people |
02:39:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Maybe not iPodWizard. There's *some* tool to extract it. |
02:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | Anyway, the real issue is: If you bork up the contents of your boot partition, there may not be a recognizable firmware there for the Apple tool to upgrade. |
02:40:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | But if you have the bootpartition.bin file, as long as the partition table still exists, you can dd or ipodpatcher it back into place. |
02:40:31 | midkay | hm.. either way, anyways. restoring may not be necessary even in the "worst-case" scenario. |
02:41:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | Restoring should never be necessary unless you've like, deleted the partitions on your disk. |
02:41:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | At which point you've essentially already lost the files. |
02:41:25 | midkay | .. thus, the worst case scenario. :) |
02:41:43 | amiconn | Keeping the mbr somewhere even helps when the partition table was trashed |
02:41:49 | task0 | ok, but restoring wil ALLWAYS repair eny thing i do with firmeware, boot loader, files, partitons, etc?? |
02:41:53 | amiconn | ...or should help |
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02:42:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | task0: There is nothing that is done in relation to Rockbox and the iPod that the restore tool cannot undo. |
02:42:54 | task0 | in simple english? |
02:43:10 | scorche | "yes" =) |
02:43:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I can't answer yes to your question. |
02:43:22 | task0 | :S |
02:43:27 | scorche | lol |
02:43:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because there's plenty of things YOU could do to the firmware that the Restore Tool can't deal with. |
02:43:43 | task0 | like? |
02:44:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you ever managed to figure out how to flash a replacement image removing the emergency disk mode, for example. |
02:44:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | These are things that you would have to probably put in some programming effort to achieve. |
02:44:34 | midkay | have WE even discovered that yet? :) |
02:44:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I can't in good conscience lie to you and say it's physically impossible for you to harm your iPod beyond the ability of restore to save it. |
02:44:47 | task0 | ok, dount count that |
02:44:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Nope. |
02:44:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | task0: But, as I said, there is nothing that is done in relation to Rockbox on the iPod that restore can't fix. |
02:45:03 | midkay | so it's more likely to vanish in thin air and reappear in tokyo six days later. |
02:45:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think that's pretty plain English. |
02:45:13 | task0 | midkay: lol |
02:45:20 | task0 | ok |
02:45:29 | task0 | that is ok |
02:45:32 | midkay | .. while you're listening to it. |
02:45:41 | midkay | ... and the music will play on whilst it's not there. |
02:45:48 | midkay | so. yeah. |
02:45:52 | midkay | i hope that's pretty clear as well. |
02:46:03 | task0 | it's magic |
02:46:09 | midkay | yeah!! |
02:46:13 | midkay | now you've got it. |
02:46:21 | midkay | :D |
02:46:21 | task0 | :D:D |
02:47:29 | task0 | something i noticied |
02:47:38 | task0 | i have an unnalocated part of the dis |
02:47:40 | task0 | disk |
02:47:42 | task0 | is that normal? |
02:47:59 | midkay | yep, that's the appleOS firmware partition thing. |
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02:54:00 | BigMac | ...ih |
02:54:26 | Rosethornn | hello? |
02:54:40 | Rosethornn | ah, it's still loading. *sigh* |
02:55:03 | BigMac | whats still loading |
02:55:53 | Rosethornn | I'm having trouble installing Rockbox onto my 4gen iPod in Windows XP |
02:56:00 | Rosethornn | ark, this is lagging. |
02:56:06 | BigMac | ok what are you having trouble with? |
02:57:01 | Rosethornn | sorry guys, this webIRC thing is really lagging. |
02:57:23 | Rosethornn | but it refreshes every time I type.. O.o how odd. |
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02:57:36 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
02:57:36 | Rosethornn | _ |
02:57:43 | Rosethornn | I'll try gaim again.. hang on. |
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02:59:39 | Rosethornn | ah, success |
02:59:42 | Febs | BigMac: Please stop posting useless messages in the forum. |
03:00 |
03:00:02 | Rosethornn | now I can access IRC properly |
03:00:18 | Rosethornn | I'm having trouble installing Rockbox for my 4g iPod, in XP. |
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03:01:20 | scorche | and those troubles would be....? |
03:01:22 | midkay | Rosethornn: we can't help until you tell us what's wrong exactly. |
03:01:27 | midkay | damn you scorche. |
03:01:34 | midkay | my message was longer and more detailed. |
03:01:35 | midkay | i win. |
03:01:40 | Rosethornn | in step 5 of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Installation_instructions, my command box protests that ' 'ipod_fw' is not a recognised internal or external command, operable batch file, or program.' |
03:01:41 | scorche | nay i say |
03:01:53 | Rosethornn | (sorry midkay, I was typing out that stuff when you posted that) |
03:02:06 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
03:02:06 | * | scorche gets ignored...midkay wins =( |
03:02:12 | Rosethornn | hehe |
03:02:14 | midkay | scorche: go run into the corner and hide as usual. |
03:02:16 | midkay | Rosethornn: my bad. :D |
03:02:20 | Rosethornn | :) |
03:02:27 | midkay | is ipod_fw.exe in the folder? |
03:02:30 | Rosethornn | well if either of you could help, I'd appreciate it |
03:02:42 | Rosethornn | in C:\rockbox? |
03:02:44 | Rosethornn | no |
03:02:49 | midkay | download it there. |
03:03:19 | * | scorche goes into the corner and hides after his crushing defeat |
03:03:20 | BigMac | Febs: sorry, i was trying to help out while i couldn't get on chat... |
03:03:40 | Rosethornn | ahh, I didn't see that step (it's 2am :P) |
03:03:42 | Rosethornn | thanks |
03:04:04 | Rosethornn | does Doom work on greyscale? O.o |
03:04:42 | BigMac | i believe so |
03:04:44 | midkay | um. what model? |
03:04:48 | midkay | i think it does for H100s. |
03:04:49 | Febs | BigMac: Helping is fine, but you don't need to bump every thread in the forum. |
03:05:01 | Rosethornn | h...? |
03:05:12 | midkay | iriver H100? what model have you got? |
03:05:19 | Rosethornn | iPod G4 |
03:05:25 | midkay | ah. might work. not sure.. |
03:05:34 | Rosethornn | mehf |
03:05:41 | Rosethornn | if not Puzzle Bobble is more than adequate. :> |
03:05:57 | BigMac | Febs: didn't mean to man, i was just looking at the threads that i had anything i'd like to say. I'm sorry if i was wrong |
03:06:57 | scorche | holy BigMac posts... |
03:07:01 | BigMac | [appologetic]Won't happen again[/appologetic] |
03:07:07 | BigMac | i got bored |
03:07:12 | BigMac | and couldn't get on chat |
03:07:15 | midkay | bored. haha. |
03:07:19 | BigMac | so i checked out the forums |
03:07:37 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
03:08:03 | scorche | and why dont you put "Keep ROCKing on!" in your sig so you dont write it everytime... |
03:08:10 | Rosethornn | hee. I feel so powerful when I do things I don't understand in the Command Box. :D :P |
03:08:19 | BigMac | i just finished watching my ipod video on my tv. that wigged me out so much i had to sit down, an that led to posting |
03:08:39 | Rosethornn | um |
03:08:41 | BigMac | scorche: because all the kool kats on the forum always saying something at the bottom of there posts |
03:08:42 | midkay | haha Rosethornn. |
03:08:50 | Rosethornn | :) |
03:08:54 | scorche | BigMac: om...no |
03:08:59 | BigMac | Julius always says cheers |
03:09:10 | * | scorche sighs and moves on |
03:09:11 | BigMac | and i couldn't think of anything else cool to say |
03:09:21 | Rosethornn | it's doing things it shouldn't! I feel so proud! |
03:09:27 | BigMac | i tried others but like that best |
03:09:36 | Rosethornn | um |
03:09:45 | Rosethornn | is it meant to look and work exactly like it normally does? |
03:10:06 | Rosethornn | ahh, nm |
03:10:20 | * | Rosethornn whacks herself on the head "must. read. faq. first." |
03:10:42 | scorche | it helps =) |
03:11:33 | Rosethornn | :D |
03:11:36 | * | BigMac has to do some laundry to prepare for my voyage tomorrow |
03:12:13 | Rosethornn | how much space on my 'pod is this gonna take up? the same amount as the zip/contents? |
03:12:59 | maquis | ok... i'm lost... i'm trying to find a manual someplace that will give me some information on how to do some specific things... i thought that the "party mode" was what i wanted, but i can't get it to work... |
03:13:21 | maquis | i keep finding the faq, and some lists of specific information, but not what i'm looking for |
03:13:28 | Febs | Did you try clicking the "documentation" link on the website? |
03:13:30 | maquis | (sorry if this is a stupid question) |
03:13:33 | BigMac | marquis:look under daily builds |
03:13:42 | BigMac | then under your model should be the manual |
03:13:43 | maquis | Febs: that's where i'v ebeen looking... |
03:13:51 | maquis | BigMac: i'll check there... |
03:13:52 | maquis | thanks |
03:13:58 | BigMac | np:D |
03:14:02 | Febs | The very first link under documentation is the Rockbox manual |
03:14:27 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
03:14:58 | maquis | Febs: maybe i'm missing it, but i didn't see any info on what i was looking for there |
03:16:24 | BigMac | maquis: what model are you using? |
03:16:36 | maquis | ipod mini 1g |
03:16:45 | maquis | (1g == 1st generration) |
03:16:53 | BigMac | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g-20060727.pdf |
03:16:57 | BigMac | right there |
03:17:01 | maquis | BigMac: i've got that... |
03:17:03 | BigMac | should cover party mode |
03:17:11 | maquis | now i'm just trying to see if it explains what i'm looking for :) |
03:17:20 | Febs | Well, what are you looking for? |
03:18:07 | scorche | BigMac: you remind me of the people that would reply to every thread in the forum to say something....even if it is something like "i dont know, sorry" =P |
03:18:08 | maquis | i'm trying to figure out what the party mode is... |
03:18:43 | maquis | found it |
03:19:03 | BigMac | scorche: you seem like the kind of guy who would neverendingly nag on a guy who was just trying to help:-x |
03:19:07 | Rosethornn | yay! :'D it works |
03:19:14 | Rosethornn | now how do I stick my music back on it? |
03:19:20 | scorche | BigMac: naw...i impose soem limits ;) |
03:19:27 | maquis | thx all |
03:19:38 | * | BigMac seriously has to go do laundry |
03:19:49 | Rosethornn | cya BigMac |
03:21:50 | Rosethornn | do I just move my 'Music' folder to my ipod? I read something that said WinAmp (which I have) can put things on rockbox.. |
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03:22:14 | BigMac | k back |
03:22:22 | Rosethornn | wb |
03:22:31 | safetydan | Febs, have you seen the message board spam? |
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03:23:12 | BigMac | gotta love how fast you run when your running back up to your apartment in your boxers because you waited to do laundry till the only clothes you had left were the ones your wearing:D |
03:23:33 | Febs | safetydan, already gone and the spammer banned. Two minutes from his first post. |
03:23:46 | BigMac | safetydan: most of that spam is from me |
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03:24:02 | Febs | No, he's talking about actual spam. |
03:24:04 | safetydan | BigMac, I don't think so, unless you've been advertising ceramics |
03:24:04 | midkay | "I prefer .ape but thats just me i guess."... |
03:24:05 | BigMac | Febs: im banned for trying to help? |
03:24:09 | midkay | :E |
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03:24:23 | BigMac | midkay, they were talking about compression |
03:24:31 | BigMac | or what replicates cd |
03:24:34 | scorche | midkay: am i allowed to giggle at this situation? |
03:24:37 | BigMac | and i was suggesting ape |
03:24:38 | midkay | BigMac: might wanna try to keep it useful/on-topic.. comments on personal preferences might be best left out of "i need help' threads especially when containing no helpful content. |
03:25:03 | BigMac | suggesting ape was me trying to be helpful man |
03:25:18 | scorche | BigMac: and you didnt suggest why? |
03:25:22 | Febs | Wasn't it just last night that BigMac was asking questions here about lossy formats? |
03:25:26 | BigMac | i did |
03:25:31 | BigMac | no one said ape |
03:25:32 | midkay | "is this comparable quality?" "well i prefer APE". |
03:25:35 | BigMac | so i said ape |
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03:25:40 | Febs | (and saying that he has like one CD?) |
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03:26:07 | BigMac | and no one else HAD SAID IT SO I SAID I GUESS ITS ONLY ME |
03:26:08 | * | scorche doesnt wait for midkay's approval and giggles anyway |
03:26:10 | BigMac | woops |
03:26:14 | midkay | haha. |
03:26:16 | BigMac | caps loock |
03:26:28 | BigMac | Febs: i rips songs for my friends |
03:26:33 | BigMac | i have about zero cds |
03:26:45 | scorche | no one else said it because it was a whole different topic... |
03:28:50 | BigMac | off topic, anyone here like to watch the loop or house |
03:28:57 | BigMac | *house md |
03:29:30 | scorche | that was off topic?...i wouldnt have known if you hadnt said "off topic," =P |
03:29:45 | JdGordon | BigMac: house kicks ass :D |
03:30:17 | Rosethornn | O_O |
03:30:26 | Rosethornn | how do I get out of text_editor? There's no doocumentation |
03:30:29 | Rosethornn | >< |
03:30:33 | JdGordon | off |
03:30:36 | BigMac | scorche: why are you always sarcastic man? i was just saying that so paul the nerd wouldn't log on and say thats off topic |
03:30:51 | Rosethornn | there is no off on an iPod |
03:30:53 | BigMac | JdGordon: i have every episode on my ipod:-) |
03:31:10 | Rosethornn | ahh |
03:31:11 | BigMac | Rosethornn: did you just get the ipod |
03:31:15 | Rosethornn | restart combo |
03:31:18 | Rosethornn | no |
03:31:20 | midkay | scorche: lucky he said that or i would have thought he was contributing something to the.. *rockbox*.. channel!! |
03:31:29 | scorche | indeed! |
03:34:06 | scorche | −−-> Paul_The_Nerd has joined #rockbox |
03:34:12 | scorche | <Paul_The_Nerd> BigMac: That's off topic. |
03:34:18 | scorche | <−−- Paul_The_Nerd has left #rockbox |
03:34:26 | JdGordon | BigMac: tisk tisk.. legally of course right?? :D |
03:35:22 | BigMac | JdGordon: but of course i bought the first season, and i believe i legally deserve season two buy watching all those episodes:-) |
03:35:36 | BigMac | scorche: see what i mean:-) |
03:35:54 | scorche | BigMac: about? |
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03:38:45 | BigMac | scorche: paul can swoop in at anytime:-) a man has to be on his toes |
03:39:01 | scorche | ... |
03:40:57 | Rosethornn | jeezm this thing sure runs down fast. |
03:41:20 | Rosethornn | I've had it running about 20mins and it's already gone down a little. |
03:41:27 | Rosethornn | without playing any music. O.o |
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03:44:23 | Rosethornn | humm. In the FAQ it doesn't state any way that Rockbox tells you when the Tagchache is ready. :/ I'll give it a while and keep checking the playlists, I guess. |
03:44:30 | Rosethornn | Tagcache* |
03:45:48 | BigMac | is their anyway for shuffle to work outside of a folder |
03:46:19 | Rosethornn | nope |
03:46:26 | BigMac | like instead of just playing I:alal/kfd/gfl play all of alal |
03:46:32 | BigMac | that sucks |
03:46:38 | scorche | BigMac: you can |
03:46:40 | BigMac | then i back to making m3u |
03:46:43 | BigMac | how? |
03:46:52 | scorche | recursively insert everything into the playlist... |
03:46:57 | scorche | well..each folder |
03:47:07 | Rosethornn | ahh, misinterpereted the question, sorry BM |
03:47:07 | BigMac | heh |
03:47:16 | BigMac | im good ill just stick to playlists |
03:47:25 | BigMac | Rosethornn: its ok:-) |
03:47:40 | scorche | it makes a playlist... |
03:47:57 | BigMac | yah but then i have to drag each file correct? |
03:48:12 | scorche | drag? |
03:48:19 | scorche | uh.... |
03:48:27 | scorche | are we not talking about rockbox here? |
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03:48:52 | BigMac | we are |
03:48:59 | BigMac | i make playlists on my computer |
03:49:04 | BigMac | easier for me |
03:49:54 | scorche | so were we talking about making playlists n the computer or making playlists on rockbox? |
03:50:08 | * | maquis tries to figure out how to get back to the wps screen after adding some things with the queue |
03:50:24 | scorche | maquis: target? |
03:50:34 | scorche | as in device |
03:50:53 | maquis | scorche: ipod mini |
03:51:05 | * | maquis is brand new here... just installed this morning |
03:51:19 | BigMac | computer |
03:51:25 | BigMac | press play |
03:51:27 | BigMac | or menu |
03:51:46 | BigMac | either of them work |
03:51:59 | maquis | BigMac: i wasn't having any luck with menu, but play got it |
03:52:00 | maquis | thanks |
03:52:09 | BigMac | maquis: np |
03:52:13 | Rosethornn | gah, this Initialize Now is taking aaaaages |
03:52:13 | scorche | BigMac: well....if you are not talking about making them within rockbox on #rockbox...please say so beforehand as to prevent confusion... |
03:52:46 | BigMac | i wasnt talking about playlists you suggested playlists |
03:52:50 | BigMac | i was talking about |
03:52:53 | BigMac | shuffle |
03:53:02 | Febs | Then you were talking about playlists. |
03:53:06 | BigMac | which is perfectly legit to talk about in 3rockbox |
03:53:18 | Febs | What do you think gets shuffled? |
03:53:18 | scorche | Rosethornn: it is done when the disk stops accessing |
03:53:25 | Rosethornn | how will I know that? |
03:53:46 | BigMac | so im supposed to say i use my pc to make playlists when i enter the chat, just in case someone propisitions the idea |
03:53:48 | * | Rosethornn holds her iPod up to her ear and shakes it. |
03:53:58 | scorche | Rosethornn: there is an icon on the status bar |
03:54:05 | Rosethornn | the disc-y one, I presume? |
03:54:16 | Rosethornn | it stopped ages ago, but I still can't access tracks by Artist, etc |
03:54:33 | Rosethornn | it says "TagCache not ready" |
03:54:43 | Febs | BigMac, why would anyone assume that you are using your computer to make playlists, when this is the #rockbox channel? |
03:55:04 | Rosethornn | Febs, you do need a PC to configure a large amount of rockbox |
03:55:21 | Febs | To install it, sure, but not to make playlists. |
03:55:35 | Rosethornn | it's an option, isn't it? |
03:55:52 | Rosethornn | (how do I make the Tagcache "ready"?) |
03:56:01 | Febs | Rosethornn, initialize it. |
03:56:05 | Rosethornn | just did |
03:56:13 | Febs | Reboot. |
03:56:13 | Rosethornn | "Initialize now" |
03:56:23 | Rosethornn | does so |
03:56:23 | BigMac | Febs: he didn't ask me what i used to make playlists |
03:56:36 | BigMac | \he said i could put all my music into a playlist |
03:56:36 | Rosethornn | ahh, ty |
03:56:54 | BigMac | and i told that would be hard having to drag and drop each individual track |
03:56:58 | scorche | BigMac: because this is #rockbox after all... |
03:57:03 | Rosethornn | erf |
03:57:09 | Febs | BigMac, did you not ask how to shuffle outside a folder? |
03:57:12 | Rosethornn | it just shows the iTunes scrambled folders |
03:57:17 | scorche | and in rockbox, there is no dragging...which was the "wtf point" so to speak... |
03:57:26 | Rosethornn | "F00" "F01" "F02" "F03" etc |
03:57:33 | Febs | Hold menu button −−> Show files −−> ID3 database |
03:57:55 | Rosethornn | ty |
03:58:06 | BigMac | well why should i have said i use a pc to make playlist when you suggested the idea of putting all music in a playlist? |
03:58:31 | * | Febs bangs his head against a brick wall. |
03:58:56 | BigMac | i appreciate the idea |
03:59:10 | BigMac | but it would not be worthwhile for me |
03:59:19 | Febs | Rosethornn, FYI, I actually wrote a section for the manual last night on how to initialize the Tag Cache. It will be in the July 28 manual daily build. |
03:59:47 | Rosethornn | ooh, neat |
04:00 |
04:00:01 | Rosethornn | and heyyyyy, I got a track to play. ^_^ |
04:00:08 | Febs | Congratulations! |
04:00:10 | * | Rosethornn feels unnecassarily proud |
04:00:14 | Rosethornn | ^^ |
04:00:32 | BigMac | anyone a fan of the doors? |
04:00:50 | Rosethornn | now that *is* off topic. XD |
04:01:06 | scorche | and he didnt preface it with letting us know that it is off topic! |
04:01:09 | Rosethornn | so, do I have to 'Initialize Now' every time I add new msuic files? |
04:01:15 | Rosethornn | for shame |
04:01:16 | scorche | no |
04:01:19 | Rosethornn | oh, neat |
04:01:21 | Febs | No. You can just use "Update Now." |
04:01:25 | scorche | that is what the update now option is for |
04:01:39 | BigMac | oh im sorry, for are slower people here, my previous statement was off topic |
04:01:54 | scorche | BigMac: thank you...i feel much better now... |
04:01:55 | Febs | Or, you can turn "Auto Update" on, and it will update automatically when you start Rockbox. |
04:02:05 | Rosethornn | So I just bung new music into my iPod's 'music' folder, disconnect it from the PC and update? |
04:02:13 | BigMac | scorche: anything to accomodate you |
04:02:40 | Febs | Rosethornn, yes. Or you can arrange your music in folders if you prefer. |
04:02:47 | BigMac | i have never used itunes for putting my music on...ever |
04:02:47 | scorche | oh...that was for me?...i didnt realize i qualified under the "slower people" section here... |
04:02:51 | Rosethornn | thanks |
04:02:57 | Febs | TagCache will find them whereever they are on the player. |
04:03:03 | Rosethornn | ^_^ |
04:03:24 | BigMac | scottder: if it wasn't for you then why did you imply that it was by commenting back |
04:03:48 | scorche | the implication was in your head... |
04:03:49 | BigMac | scorche |
04:03:54 | BigMac | nope |
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04:04:02 | BigMac | BigMacoh im sorry, for are slower people here, my previous statement was off topic |
04:04:02 | BigMac | scorcheBigMac: thank you...i feel much better now... |
04:04:13 | BigMac | slower people |
04:04:13 | scorche | yes....i know what i said |
04:04:17 | BigMac | you said thank you |
04:04:20 | * | Febs looks around for an op. |
04:04:21 | scorche | if i didnt remember, i can always just scroll up |
04:04:27 | BigMac | meaning yoou thought it was directed at you |
04:05:57 | Rosethornn | haha, this is going to rule. |
04:06:11 | Febs | Indeed. |
04:06:28 | scorche | i know it was directed at me...you said that it was...that doesnt mean that by replying, i accepted the "slower people" comment |
04:06:38 | * | scorche sighs and moves on yet again |
04:06:43 | BigMac | Rosethornn: if you think that is going to rule, check out jblackglass it will blow your mind |
04:06:48 | Rosethornn | even though my iPod won't last the coach journey with this new firmware (4 hourish, plus train to London), I now have tonnes of neat stuff on it I couldn't put on before. |
04:07:01 | Rosethornn | is that a plugin? |
04:07:07 | BigMac | no |
04:07:11 | BigMac | its a theme |
04:07:14 | BigMac | ill link ya |
04:07:20 | Rosethornn | for greyscale? |
04:07:34 | BigMac | what model? |
04:07:40 | Rosethornn | 4th Gen iPod |
04:07:45 | scorche | Rosethornn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100 |
04:07:46 | Rosethornn | 20gig |
04:07:50 | BigMac | possibly ill check |
04:08:10 | scorche | BigMac: no need to.. |
04:08:14 | Rosethornn | scorche: ?? |
04:08:29 | scorche | Rosethornn: that is a list of the different "themes" that you can use |
04:08:37 | BigMac | nah not there |
04:08:43 | Rosethornn | ah |
04:09:03 | scorche | that is also for the 4g...ignore the name of the page =) |
04:09:11 | scorche | BigMac: like i said...no need |
04:09:32 | BigMac | http://solutions-i.org/julius/images/jbgthemes.jpg |
04:09:39 | BigMac | that is jblackglass |
04:09:46 | BigMac | but only for photo and 5g |
04:09:50 | Rosethornn | yes |
04:09:56 | Rosethornn | that would be very dull in greyscale |
04:10:01 | qwm | BigMac: are you the guy that hates americans and canadians "because of the revolutionary war"? |
04:10:02 | Rosethornn | I quite like the tape player one though ^^ |
04:10:02 | * | scorche sighs yet again |
04:10:13 | BigMac | ... |
04:10:16 | BigMac | im american |
04:10:20 | qwm | ah. |
04:10:24 | BigMac | so i don't think so |
04:10:25 | qwm | confused you with someone else then. |
04:10:26 | BigMac | why? |
04:10:29 | qwm | sorry. |
04:10:31 | qwm | :) |
04:10:36 | BigMac | its all gravy |
04:10:49 | qwm | talked to a weird british guy a while ago.. |
04:10:59 | BigMac | lol |
04:11:13 | BigMac | on here? |
04:11:19 | qwm | yeah, originally. |
04:11:26 | scorche | Febs: any success? =P |
04:11:30 | BigMac | lol |
04:11:45 | BigMac | you shoulda added it to bash.org |
04:11:56 | Febs | Nope. :( |
04:12:21 | qwm | :) |
04:12:35 | * | BigMac has to get the tele phone |
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04:14:00 | BigMac | omfg. my friend is selling me his ipod mini for 35 $. and its not in bad condition or anything |
04:14:04 | BigMac | sweeet |
04:15:25 | scorche | BigMac: if you havent gotten this point across yet...here it is in plain terms... |
04:15:58 | scorche | this is #rockbox...it is is not a place for social gatherings...it is a method and a vessel for support for rockbox |
04:17:20 | scorche | if you feel the need to express your happiness that your friend is selling you an ipod mini...there are many other channels for that... |
04:19:13 | BigMac | scorche: according to paul, i am allowed to talk about non rockbox issues. i just cant talk about completly non rockbox issues. that is a semirockbox issue, because i am putting rockbox on it. and if you would have given me a minute i would have stated what i wanted to ask. |
04:19:33 | BigMac | is rockbox running smoothly on the mini |
04:20:24 | * | scorche sighs |
04:20:35 | * | BigMac sighs |
04:20:47 | midkay | is "i'm getting a mini sweeeeeet" a rockbox semi-*issue*? |
04:21:11 | BigMac | i was going to inquire about how rockbox runs on it |
04:21:15 | scorche | asking questions is much better...we did not need to know about your method of getting the device to answer your question...please remember this |
04:21:27 | midkay | you had like two minutes before scorche scolded you, why didn't you ask then? |
04:21:30 | BigMac | and i felt it would make sense if i said that i was getting a mini |
04:21:51 | midkay | seems like you thought of a question to go along with the statement only *after* you released you needed a question.. |
04:21:56 | BigMac | because i had to go take my diamox and fix something on my moms computer if you must know.... |
04:22:08 | midkay | right. |
04:22:27 | BigMac | well how can i prove that im not lieing |
04:22:39 | midkay | and typing seven words first is too much before you go do all that. |
04:22:44 | BigMac | i have to take diamox for my pseudo tumor cerebri |
04:22:47 | BigMac | yes |
04:22:52 | midkay | yep. |
04:23:03 | BigMac | my mom hasbeen nagging me to fix her comp for over an hour |
04:23:13 | Rosethornn | would it be off topic to point out that this level of strictness seems anally retentive and doesn't really make for a friendly atmosphere? |
04:23:19 | midkay | and three more seconds would be so much more.. |
04:23:22 | BigMac | so i typed taht she asked me to come |
04:23:31 | BigMac | midkay:do you live with your mom? |
04:23:33 | scorche | Rosethornn: not in the least =) |
04:23:46 | midkay | Rosethornn: i wasn't going to participate but this whole situation is interesting to me with the "i had to go help my mommy" situation. |
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04:23:56 | midkay | BigMac: with my *parents*, sure. |
04:24:14 | Rosethornn | scorche: :) |
04:24:16 | BigMac | Rosethornn: couldn't agree more so, but i like the people here so i come anyway |
04:24:22 | scorche | Rosethornn: the issue is that many people read the logs in order not to miss anything..we try to prevent spam to make it easier |
04:24:38 | JdGordon | w000t!!!! |
04:24:43 | JdGordon | fixed the wps screen :D |
04:24:51 | BigMac | midkay: well then if your aa teen you understand if your mom comes in and yells at you to do something, you don't say hold on mom, you do it |
04:25:00 | BigMac | JdGordon: your making a wps |
04:25:14 | Febs | Rosethornn, you wouldn't ordinarily see that level of strictness here, but BigMac has been posting a whole lot of nothing for several days now. |
04:25:17 | JdGordon | hell no... redoing all the button code in the core |
04:25:22 | midkay | so like literally she came in EXACTLY to the second after "Sweeeeeeeeet" and you couldn't stick around for a couple seconds to type something? |
04:25:22 | scorche | Rosethornn: there is only so much that we can handle though.. |
04:25:27 | JdGordon | the wps code isnt the best :p |
04:25:32 | Rosethornn | hehe |
04:25:37 | midkay | to gather responses while you waited? |
04:25:41 | Rosethornn | humph. I hope they make a greyscale doom soon. |
04:25:45 | BigMac | Febs: what do you want man? i appologized. i was trying to help |
04:26:00 | BigMac | midkay: yes |
04:26:09 | midkay | that's very convincing, BigMac. |
04:26:09 | Rosethornn | from the backgrounds on some of the 'Now playing' things, it seems possible, if a lil' ugly |
04:26:26 | midkay | Rosethornn: huh? possible to do doom based on a WPS? |
04:26:28 | midkay | :) |
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04:26:37 | BigMac | midkay: my mom is not the kind of person you can say hold on a minute to. and i have a trip tomorrow and don't want her to say i cant go |
04:26:39 | Rosethornn | well there are different degrees of greyness |
04:26:42 | Febs | BigMac, I'm not talking only of the forum. I am talking about what you having been doing here on IRC for the last hour. |
04:26:57 | midkay | BigMac: funny you just said she's been nagging you for an HOUR and all of a sudden she's so strict you can't wait three seconds.. |
04:27:10 | Rosethornn | so you could make the walls grey1, the monsters grey2 (with some 1 and 3 mixed in) and your gun grey3. |
04:27:15 | Rosethornn | etc, etc, etc |
04:27:20 | scorche | Rosethornn: not sure, but i remember hearing something about a patch for it...i could be mistaken though...and if i did hear it, it was only a wip |
04:27:26 | Rosethornn | wip? |
04:27:28 | midkay | Rosethornn: well it's not that simple, doom has a lot more than just "gun_color = gray" and stuff. |
04:27:29 | midkay | :) |
04:27:29 | BigMac | Febs: im asking questions, then scorche tells me something and we go back and forth |
04:27:32 | scorche | work in progress =) |
04:27:37 | midkay | it's surely possible and it does exist on the irivers. not yet on the ipods is all. |
04:27:38 | Rosethornn | of course, midkay |
04:27:54 | Rosethornn | okay... how do I find out if they're working on it? |
04:27:58 | JdGordon | does holding play on the h100 lcd remote do anything in the wps atm? |
04:28:09 | midkay | if gun was simply "gray2" or something, it'd be flat shaded gray2 and it wouldn't look like a gun, it'd look like a gray blob as wel as the monsters and walls. |
04:28:10 | BigMac | midkay: yes, you know how it is they start off , can you please help me then once they get irritated after asking several times they come in and TELL you to do it |
04:28:24 | Rosethornn | that''s why I said with some grey 2, etc, mixed in |
04:28:30 | scorche | BigMac: so you are blaming it all on me...? |
04:28:30 | qwm | hm BigMac, are you rich? |
04:28:34 | BigMac | no |
04:28:41 | midkay | BigMac: so for an hour she's been please help me and just the exact second you cheer to us that you got a mini she went from please to *NOW!!*? |
04:28:42 | scorche | Rosethornn: i will check |
04:28:47 | Rosethornn | thankyou. :) |
04:28:47 | BigMac | that is to both of you |
04:29:03 | BigMac | i can't time my reactions with my mom talking to me |
04:29:10 | Rosethornn | midkay: that's off topic. |
04:29:18 | Febs | BigMac, that's because your questions are things like, "Does anyone here like the Doors?" |
04:29:20 | midkay | Rosethornn: what is off topic? |
04:29:20 | qwm | is anyone here rich? |
04:29:21 | BigMac | see this is spam |
04:29:24 | scorche | yeah...come on midkay ! =P |
04:29:32 | qwm | i give 10 000 USD blowjobs. |
04:29:32 | Rosethornn | "so for an hour she's been please help me and just the exact second you cheer to us that you got a mini she went from please to *NOW!!*?" |
04:29:39 | BigMac | weve been going on for 10 minutes to convince midkay im not lieing |
04:29:40 | midkay | yes, it is.. i just want to clarify the whole stupidity of the presented lie and make sure that nobody believes it. |
04:29:40 | midkay | :) |
04:29:58 | scorche | ok! |
04:30:01 | scorche | break! |
04:30:06 | scorche | −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− |
04:30:07 | midkay | you won't convince me with "my mom came around at the exact second out of a whole hour that caused me to not be able to type my seven word question". sorry. |
04:30:09 | scorche | no more =P |
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04:30:22 | Rosethornn | well I'm sure poor new people who are hurriedly scrolling through the logs as their iriver breaks down will appreciate the distinction. :P |
04:30:40 | midkay | yes, because the current.txt has solutions to all the iriver problems. |
04:30:42 | midkay | righto. |
04:30:51 | BigMac | Febs:that was off topic . i was just asking because this is a jukebox chat which means people listen to music, and i wanted to know what audio codec they reccommend for the doors |
04:31:02 | Rosethornn | scorche: any news on the Doom thing? |
04:31:09 | Febs | BigMac, you're full of shit. |
04:31:12 | midkay | you use codecs on a per-artist basis? HAHA. |
04:31:20 | scorche | Rosethornn: no...i have been too busy dealing with certain people to look... |
04:31:26 | BigMac | midkay: done. i really dont want to continue arguing |
04:31:28 | Rosethornn | hehe |
04:31:39 | midkay | hm, i think ogg would go good with Pink Floyd.. maybe i'll try wavpack.. lossy.. at 31% compression.. for Coldplay. yeah. |
04:31:42 | Febs | Besides, we know that you prefer APE. |
04:31:42 | scorche | BigMac: then remain on-topic from now on |
04:31:53 | qwm | is there any good gay bars in seattle? |
04:31:58 | BigMac | febs:doesn't the bitrate detrmine quality? |
04:32:06 | BigMac | yes i prefer ape |
04:32:16 | BigMac | that doesn't mean i cant try other formats does it |
04:32:18 | midkay | you prefer an audio codec and don't even know what the bitrate means? |
04:32:27 | midkay | you're just blindly supporting a random codec.. |
04:32:33 | BigMac | no i'm new to this stuff |
04:32:38 | BigMac | ive tried a few |
04:32:42 | BigMac | and i like ape i guess |
04:32:52 | midkay | posting personal preferences in threads that want assistance is one thing, when you don't even understand that preference is another.. |
04:32:55 | BigMac | my reason im embarassed to say |
04:32:56 | JdGordon | hmm... the remote keys are not in the manual... i guess no one will mind if i change them all then :d |
04:33:22 | midkay | you don't know what the bitrate is but you have such ears that you can hear that "ape sounds better i guess"? honestly... just.. |
04:33:43 | BigMac | midkay: they all sound the same to me |
04:33:48 | BigMac | but i prefer ape |
04:33:52 | midkay | ... why? |
04:33:56 | BigMac | idk why |
04:33:57 | midkay | if they're all the same sounding. |
04:33:59 | BigMac | i just do |
04:34:08 | BigMac | i guess it my preference |
04:34:24 | scorche | Rosethornn: i briefly checked flyspray and could not find anything...if you are really desperate to find it, you might check other places....ie: the forums, #rockbox logs, or the wiki |
04:34:33 | midkay | so disregard that posting your preference as "ape" is totally offtopic, it's complete blind faith and utterly worthless. you don't know what you're talking about in the least. |
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04:34:56 | BigMac | dude if that posts bothers you so much ill delete it |
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04:35:05 | BigMac | like i saidI thought it was helpful |
04:35:16 | BigMac | but ift it bothers you all thenill delete it |
04:35:18 | Rosethornn | scorche: thanks, but I can wait for an official thingie to come out, if one ever does. :P |
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04:35:25 | Rosethornn | ooh, plugindice. XD |
04:35:31 | Rosethornn | I can play D&D with my iPod |
04:35:35 | Rosethornn | :D |
04:35:36 | BigMac | and look 16 minutes of us going back and forth |
04:35:46 | Rosethornn | geekily enough, that may actually be sueful to me. :) |
04:35:52 | BigMac | i believe that is more spam then me saying anyone like doors |
04:36:11 | midkay | you thought "i like ape but i don't know what it is or how it sounds or what it does, it's pretty much all the same to me but i like ape anyways because maybe it has a cool name or something".. |
04:36:24 | midkay | the "spam" is a result of yours. we're trying to clarify that you are spamming and that you need to stop. |
04:36:25 | * | Febs is willing to bet that BigMac can't go 10 minutes without typing something. |
04:36:32 | scorche | BigMac: it is an attempt that there will be no more spam from you in the future...it is quite worth the 16 min |
04:37:04 | BigMac | febs:of course i cant three people are talking to me:-) |
04:37:11 | Febs | I win. |
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04:37:28 | Febs | Do you want to try for best of three? |
04:38:09 | BigMac | scorche: but your willing to waste 16 mins and countless lines to stop my occasional one line spam? don't think it evens off |
04:38:12 | scorche | Febs: you win again |
04:38:19 | BigMac | Febs: best of four |
04:38:26 | Rosethornn | guys... |
04:38:32 | scorche | there is no best of four... |
04:38:38 | BigMac | sure |
04:38:42 | BigMac | damnit |
04:38:43 | Rosethornn | where do I put .jpg's in my ipod to make them viewable? |
04:38:44 | BigMac | you got me |
04:38:45 | * | Febs wonders how BigMac proposes to win the best of 4 when he has already lost twice. |
04:38:49 | BigMac | Rosethornn: root |
04:38:55 | scorche | Rosethornn: anywhere |
04:39:07 | BigMac | Rosethornn: anywhere doesnt really matter |
04:39:09 | Rosethornn | and pluginjpeg automatically finds them? |
04:39:15 | scorche | no |
04:39:17 | BigMac | but idk if 4g can run jpg yet |
04:39:31 | Rosethornn | it says it can on the website |
04:39:34 | scorche | you can hold select, and go the open with option |
04:39:44 | Rosethornn | oh wait |
04:39:45 | Rosethornn | damnit |
04:39:45 | BigMac | sorry then |
04:39:47 | scorche | or, it might auto run when you play one |
04:39:49 | scorche | not sure |
04:39:53 | Rosethornn | Bigmac: you're right |
04:40:03 | BigMac | :-) |
04:40:03 | Rosethornn | it's 20 to 4.. I should get to bed soon |
04:40:11 | BigMac | wow |
04:40:12 | Rosethornn | but I can sleep on the coach |
04:40:13 | BigMac | gnite |
04:40:21 | * | scorche puzzles |
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04:40:40 | Rosethornn | hehe, I've still gotta put the Metal Slug series on my memory stick, put some more .ogg's on my ipod, etc, etc, I won't be gone just yet |
04:42:10 | * | scorche was thinking of the viewer... |
04:42:30 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
04:43:02 | BigMac | scorche: i believe you just press select and it opens the pic, duno if that answers your question |
04:43:25 | JdGordon | in the wps, what does the wheel on the ipod do |
04:43:26 | JdGordon | ? |
04:43:40 | scorche | i didnt ask the question...but thanks for reaffirming me with "i believe" =P |
04:43:51 | Febs | JdGordon, up and down in the menus. |
04:43:51 | maquis | JdGordon: on mine, it changes the volume |
04:43:54 | scorche | JdGordon: volume |
04:44:11 | JdGordon | ta |
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04:47:56 | webguest37 | JdGordon: if you want to clean up the WPS code, there's at least two patches on the tracker that might help http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4826 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2898 |
04:48:36 | JdGordon | webguest37: i dont really :p im changing the button checking code and i really shouldnt add other changes except this |
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04:50:14 | maquis | out of curiosity, is it impossible to turn off an ipod mini while it's plugged in? |
04:50:24 | maquis | (while running rockbox) |
04:50:46 | maquis | mine turns back on once i turn it off... and occasionally, the backlight just turns on for no apparent reason |
04:51:21 | JdGordon | can someone test the new key mappings with the ipod please? |
04:52:15 | Febs | what new keymappings? |
04:52:46 | JdGordon | completly redone the button code in the core, i need to make sure it works fine, i tihnk ive got the buttons correct, but i cant test them |
04:53:07 | Febs | I'll test them. |
04:53:14 | JdGordon | great :) which ipod? |
04:53:17 | Febs | Video |
04:54:43 | BigMac | JdGordon: do you have to patch anything? |
04:54:59 | JdGordon | no, ill compile it for you |
04:55:17 | JdGordon | grr.. compile errors,, |
04:55:23 | BigMac | oh nvm you already got a video lol |
04:58:13 | JdGordon | menu is the top button right? |
04:58:48 | BigMac | yah |
04:59:08 | JdGordon | and play is on the bottom? |
04:59:11 | BigMac | yes |
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05:01:57 | JdGordon | jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/rockbox.ipod">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/rockbox.ipod is the video file, please test it and let me know how it goes |
05:03:44 | JdGordon | also please check in the menus and eq setting screen if the wheel and buttons are correct |
05:04:38 | BigMac | JdGordon: will this overwrite jbuild? |
05:04:43 | JdGordon | yes |
05:04:51 | BigMac | AWW |
05:05:06 | JdGordon | i was gonna say rename it and use rolo to load it, but ipod doesnt have rolo yet does it? |
05:05:20 | JdGordon | rename jbuild and test, then copy it back :) |
05:05:54 | * | JdGordon back in 30 or so |
05:05:55 | BigMac | does it just overwrite rockbox.ipod? |
05:06:00 | BigMac | wait |
05:06:14 | midkay | it *is* rockbox.ipod. |
05:06:22 | Febs | JdGordon, I may be asleep by then but I'll test right now and report any problems here. |
05:06:49 | BigMac | and it isnt loading right in opera |
05:06:53 | BigMac | no file shows up |
05:07:03 | BigMac | just a bunch of characters |
05:07:16 | midkay | just go to the "Rockbox" dir and save as. |
05:07:57 | BigMac | the file won't load in opera...so how can i dl it to save it over opera |
05:08:08 | BigMac | *rockbox.ipod |
05:08:23 | Febs | JdGordon, many problems. |
05:08:26 | midkay | just go to the "Rockbox" dir and save as. |
05:08:37 | midkay | or just never mind, i guess Febs will do it. |
05:08:48 | BigMac | yah ill wait |
05:09:05 | Febs | The scroll wheel moves only one entry at a time. You have to release the scroll wheel and spin it again to move up or down a single entry. |
05:09:20 | Febs | Select does not work. |
05:09:25 | Febs | Menu does not work. |
05:11:03 | Febs | Right arrow freezes the player with the hard drive spinning. (Although, interestingly enough, the backlight still works, so it's not a complete lockup.) |
05:12:23 | midkay | the scroll wheel bit is a button_repeat issue, by the way. |
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05:13:07 | midkay | button_repeat is triggered after more than one consecutive scroll event, i mean as long as the finger isn't released.. so be careful with it. |
05:14:33 | qwm | smash the patriarcy!!!!!!! |
05:14:40 | qwm | fuck them men bastards!!!! |
05:14:40 | Rosethornn | quite |
05:14:50 | Rosethornn | O.o I'm off to bed.. |
05:15:02 | Rosethornn | ninite al |
05:15:04 | Rosethornn | all* |
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05:15:15 | scorche | g'night |
05:15:19 | scorche | nad.. |
05:15:27 | scorche | err...it isnt worth it anyway |
05:17:49 | JdGordon | thanks Febs, bacxk to the drawing board then :p |
05:18:01 | qwm | scorche |
05:18:03 | qwm | http://free.nunwhores.com/pics/52.jpg |
05:18:07 | qwm | look at this render i made. |
05:18:14 | qwm | i call it "guy fucking two nuns". |
05:18:26 | scorche | wow...it almost looks real >_> |
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05:18:48 | qwm | aww. almost. :( |
05:18:55 | qwm | what did i do wrong? tell me. |
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05:19:17 | scorche | you gave the guy a slanted forehead... |
05:19:26 | scorche | now dont post more porn links... |
05:19:56 | qwm | porn is what the world needs! |
05:20:13 | scorche | but not rockbox! |
05:20:46 | maquis | scorche: i'd call that perhaps more off-topic than BigMac's posts... |
05:21:31 | scorche | yes, but he has not been spamming the forum and the channel for an hour or 2 |
05:21:34 | * | maquis wonders why there are no ops in this channel |
05:21:49 | qwm | freenode policy. |
05:21:50 | scorche | all the ops are in europe... |
05:21:56 | maquis | scorche: true... |
05:22:06 | qwm | i've misbehaved before! |
05:22:12 | maquis | i've never been in a channel that didn't have ops... at least chanserv |
05:22:14 | qwm | well.. |
05:22:21 | qwm | is there a set of rules for this channel? |
05:22:24 | qwm | official rules.. |
05:22:27 | qwm | is there a no-porn rule? |
05:22:35 | qwm | or a no-off-topic rule? |
05:22:39 | scorche | but, i play hl2dm with you, so you are a special case...i will let someone else scold you =P |
05:22:53 | BigMac | wow |
05:23:05 | BigMac | i get yelled at for talking about the doors lol |
05:23:10 | * | scorche winks at BigMac |
05:23:17 | midkay | go back to your corner. |
05:23:23 | midkay | time out lasts another five minutes. |
05:23:28 | BigMac | oh im in the corner |
05:23:37 | BigMac | but now i have a picture to look at |
05:23:49 | qwm | maquis: " Don't keep channel operator privileges. Displaying these privileges on your nick with a "+o" attracts participants who are interested in gaining them and using them actively; it also attracts the attention of participants who react negatively to authority. Have your nick added to the channel access list and op yourself only when needed. " (from http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml) |
05:24:09 | scorche | BigMac: i am not an op or anything in the sort in here...if i was, i would be more neutral...but like i said...i am not |
05:24:18 | BigMac | ok |
05:24:56 | * | scorche is surprised Febs has not come on and railed him by now.. =P |
05:26:12 | maquis | qwm: ah... |
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05:36:21 | BigMac | qwm:you are by ar the luckiest man in here |
05:36:41 | midkay | nah, he's just intelligent and cool and charming! |
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05:37:54 | qwm | BigMac: elaborate please. :p |
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05:41:02 | BigMac | i believe i got a 16 minute lecture on not knowing enough about audio codecs to have a preference, and whay i cant ask if people like the doors, and you just posted a picture of a man banging to nuns, and the worst thing said to you was scorchenow dont post more porn links... |
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05:41:38 | midkay | HAHAHA. |
05:41:50 | BigMac | well why can't you guys just say don't dothat again. then my "2hours of spam" would be 2 lines |
05:42:16 | midkay | because you argue about it. |
05:42:19 | BigMac | ironic really |
05:42:20 | midkay | like you are now. |
05:42:23 | scorche | because then you go on about how wrong we were to tell you that/// |
05:42:24 | BigMac | sigh |
05:42:25 | midkay | just drop it and we wouldn't be arguing again. |
05:42:42 | BigMac | i wouldnt argue at all if you said dont do it again |
05:42:56 | BigMac | you question me everytime i interject something |
05:42:58 | midkay | "dont" do it again. |
05:43:00 | midkay | now stop. |
05:43:00 | scorche | contrary to past experiences... |
05:43:03 | BigMac | k done |
05:43:07 | midkay | alright. |
05:43:10 | midkay | i've said the magic words. |
05:44:01 | * | scorche remembers this |
05:44:13 | midkay | the ten-minute test, remember?! |
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05:55:45 | BigMac | oh yah |
05:55:48 | BigMac | i win |
05:57:21 | scorche | yeah...but you just proved the point that...errr...nvm... |
05:57:44 | * | scorche doesnt want to get involved again |
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05:58:51 | BigMac | k |
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06:09:43 | * | JdGordon cant figure out the damn scroll wheel! |
06:10:07 | JdGordon | is clockwise move up in the list or move down? |
06:10:29 | JdGordon | and is clockwise BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK or BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD? |
06:11:59 | JdGordon | BigMac: ^^ ? |
06:12:22 | scorche | JdGordon: i would imagine it would be forward |
06:12:36 | JdGordon | and down? |
06:12:42 | maquis | JdGordon: yup |
06:15:20 | maquis | JdGordon: it's forward because the top of the dial is moving forward... and it's down because the right-side of the dial is going down |
06:15:36 | JdGordon | that makes no sense :D but ok |
06:15:52 | maquis | JdGordon: it makes sense to non-geeks... just not to us geeks :) |
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06:19:10 | BigMac | JdGordon: sorry watching a movie |
06:19:54 | midkay | remember our motto. there's a hole in the.. sky.. through which things can... fly. |
06:20:05 | scorche | no...please...no... |
06:22:48 | JdGordon | oh fudge.. i just realised how much more needs to be changed before this is all working :'( |
06:23:35 | midkay | scorche: haha. |
06:23:49 | maquis | JdGordon: sorry... that sucks |
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07:07:32 | maquis | hmmm |
07:07:37 | maquis | my ipod keeps rebooting |
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07:40:48 | Bg3r | mornign |
07:41:19 | midkay | morning Bg3r! |
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07:41:42 | Bg3r | wazz up :) |
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07:43:24 | Bg3r | JdGordon: ;) |
07:43:53 | JdGordon | hey, morning |
07:44:00 | JdGordon | we have a problem.. :'( |
07:44:00 | midkay | Bg3r!! |
07:44:11 | Bg3r | what problem ? |
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07:44:59 | JdGordon | the last_button checking actually did something other than the _pre stuff... it stops button_repeat being followed onto the enxt screen... and i cant figure out how to stop that happening now |
07:45:25 | JdGordon | i just found it because hold play on ipod is cancel and it exits every menu u are in very quickly :'( |
07:46:25 | Bg3r | hm.. |
07:46:58 | Bg3r | btw, i thought again about the remotes ... |
07:47:00 | JdGordon | :) ok, iv fixed it, but i dont like my solution |
07:47:04 | JdGordon | ok? |
07:50:00 | Bg3r | Working.. |
07:50:00 | Bg3r | * The synclist widget |
07:50:07 | Bg3r | ah |
07:50:09 | Bg3r | never mind |
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07:50:31 | Bg3r | i'm still sleepy |
07:50:36 | JdGordon | hehe |
07:50:50 | JdGordon | about to do my last update for the day |
07:50:54 | * | Bg3r was reading synclist as syncselect |
07:51:13 | JdGordon | syncselect is now working also |
07:51:18 | Bg3r | ah, good |
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08:18:26 | amiconn | LinusN: What's the X5 remote LCD backlight colour? |
08:18:43 | LinusN | blueish, like the h300 remote |
08:18:56 | amiconn | OK, that's what I chose for the sim atm |
08:19:05 | LinusN | nice |
08:19:27 | amiconn | The X5 remote lcd drawing already seems to work, but for some reason the x5 sim crashes on tagcache init then... |
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08:21:57 | maquis | has anyone else experienced the ipod mini rebooting constantly and refusing to turn off while plugged in? |
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08:30:40 | amiconn | Okay, crash solved |
08:30:42 | JdGordon | morning LinusN, iv found a bigiish problem with the actions, but im about to head off so i cant talk... can you sometime during the day check the wiki page and read the comment please? |
08:30:54 | amiconn | Now there are only some small graphical artefacts left |
08:31:10 | amiconn | Bitmap drawing is okay, but some other function is not (yet) |
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08:31:54 | LinusN | amiconn: good to hear |
08:32:39 | LinusN | i was just away trying to scan the remote on the scanner here at work, but the scanner sucked too much |
08:32:51 | LinusN | i'll have to do it at home |
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08:34:08 | amiconn | There's a filename collision with the simulator that I already solved locally |
08:34:14 | LinusN | tell me |
08:34:31 | amiconn | Both firmware/export and uisimulator/sdl have their lcd-remote.h ... |
08:34:40 | LinusN | ouch |
08:34:46 | amiconn | yeah |
08:35:33 | LinusN | i believe there are two button.h too, n'est pas? |
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08:36:04 | amiconn | nope |
08:37:10 | scorche | lol...someone just linked something from haxx.se in another channel i am in... |
08:37:19 | LinusN | :-) |
08:37:47 | LinusN | we're famous, you know ;-) |
08:37:52 | scorche | it made me giggle =P |
08:37:57 | scorche | oh really now? |
08:38:09 | amiconn | lcd_remote_vline() seems to be the buggy fn |
08:39:05 | LinusN | JdGordon: i read your wiki page this morning, and i think the screenchange() idea sounds ok |
08:39:19 | scorche | we were talking about curl...so you can imagine =) |
08:39:28 | LinusN | scorche: ah, figures |
08:39:33 | amiconn | Ah, silly mistake.... |
08:41:30 | LinusN | amiconn: they mostly are |
08:42:03 | JdGordon | LinusN: ah ok, great |
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08:42:36 | amiconn | LinusN: How the *** do you leave plugins on the X5??? (sim) |
08:42:45 | LinusN | amiconn: Power |
08:42:49 | LinusN | JdGordon: one q: |
08:43:08 | * | amiconn suddenly remembers that there is a bug in the X5 sim |
08:43:20 | amiconn | Power isn't assigned... |
08:43:44 | LinusN | JdGordon: why the while() loop in get_default_action()? |
08:43:52 | amiconn | Okay, the bitmap drawing needs more testing, but the driver seems to be ok as-is |
08:44:16 | LinusN | amiconn: great, commit it and i'll work on the lcd_remote_update() functions |
08:44:17 | amiconn | I'll commit my ton of changes in several steps. Not all of them are X5 remote related |
08:44:52 | JdGordon | LinusN: it saves having nested if's all checking (ret == ACTION_UNKNOWN) |
08:45:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: ok |
08:45:14 | LinusN | it just felt awkward at first sight |
08:46:01 | JdGordon | ye, i was afraid of that |
08:46:29 | JdGordon | i was hoping it was commented enough to not do that, maybe a bit more would be better |
08:47:07 | LinusN | nah, i just skimmed through the patch |
08:47:27 | LinusN | JdGordon: one more q: |
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08:47:56 | LinusN | on your wiki page, does "not working" really mean that it doesn't work? |
08:48:19 | LinusN | or that it isn't ported to the new concept? |
08:48:20 | JdGordon | no, its not converted yet, dunno why i said not working :p |
08:48:55 | LinusN | because i think we should be able to commit it before everything is ported |
08:49:07 | * | JdGordon thinks LinusN is crazy.. it doesnt say not working anywhere on that page :D |
08:49:24 | JdGordon | 6 keypads to convert and i think it will be good to go |
08:49:40 | LinusN | what about the wps and the ffwd? |
08:49:45 | LinusN | did you fix it? |
08:49:55 | JdGordon | ye fixed |
08:50:00 | LinusN | greato |
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08:50:41 | JdGordon | alrighty, i gotta head off, ttyl |
08:50:56 | LinusN | cu |
08:51:15 | JdGordon | the diff on the wiki is current apart from that 1 line that needs fixing, if you decide to have a play :D |
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08:52:24 | Bg3r | JdGordon ... |
08:52:33 | Bg3r | the only thing i really don't like in this is |
08:52:35 | Bg3r | The button checking code will check the given context list for the pressed button, if no button was found it will check the standard button list. However, if the target has a remote it will first check the CONTEXT_STD_REMOTE list, |
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08:53:11 | Bg3r | it's a logical inconsistency imho |
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08:54:36 | Bg3r | that is, we don't treat the main and remote buttons in the same way |
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08:55:59 | LinusN | hmmm, is there no get_action() anymore? |
08:57:36 | Bg3r | LinusN: what do you think about this ? |
08:57:47 | LinusN | 2 things: |
08:57:56 | Bg3r | i mean about my thoughts |
08:58:14 | Bg3r | we can pass a context list, containing remote buttons (for example) |
08:58:27 | LinusN | Bg3r: i think you're correct |
08:58:59 | LinusN | let me see if i understand it correctly |
08:59:07 | Bg3r | k;) |
08:59:18 | LinusN | in the current incarnation, you can't create a "local" context? |
08:59:34 | * | Bg3r is very "sensitive" when it comes to the remotes :D |
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09:00:12 | Bg3r | hm |
09:00:18 | Bg3r | i'll look at the code again |
09:00:51 | LinusN | there is no alternative but to call get_default_action(), and have the contexts defined globally |
09:01:17 | LinusN | and i think that might make life hard for the plugins |
09:01:27 | Bg3r | yes, i think that too |
09:02:06 | Bg3r | apps/tree.c:1003: if (button_get(false) == ACTION_STD_EXIT) huh |
09:02:22 | LinusN | otoh, i believe the vast majority of plugins can use a standard action list |
09:03:02 | LinusN | Bg3r: ouch |
09:03:22 | Bg3r | yep, and this will give some consistency in them |
09:03:29 | Bg3r | LinusN: that is taken from the wiki page |
09:05:20 | LinusN | Bg3r: should really be get_action(CONTEXT_STD, TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK), right? |
09:05:41 | Bg3r | hm |
09:06:01 | Bg3r | if the other calls to get_action() in tree.c use CONTEXT_STD, then yes |
09:06:13 | Bg3r | (of course i can't be sure:)) |
09:06:54 | LinusN | hmm, maybe TIMEOUT_BLOCK should be -1 instead? |
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09:11:13 | Bg3r | yes, it seems that now u can't wait 1 tick |
09:12:49 | LinusN | exactly |
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09:16:08 | Bg3r | what do you think about extending each action list with <number remote buttons>* { BUTTON_NONE, ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_NONE } |
09:16:52 | Bg3r | and setting the values of each array with the correct mappings when a remote is plugged in ? |
09:17:17 | * | amiconn crosses fingers |
09:17:29 | Bg3r | amiconn: hehe |
09:18:08 | amiconn | Hmm, it seems I can't commit the X5 remote driver easily. It will make the X5 build turn red.... |
09:18:41 | amiconn | (lcd_remote_update() and lcd_remote_update_rect() don't exist, so linking breaks) |
09:18:43 | LinusN | amiconn: don't worry |
09:18:43 | Bg3r | amiconn: what about commiting it and undef-ing #HAVE_REMOTE... |
09:18:46 | Bg3r | ah |
09:19:11 | LinusN | amiconn: i'll fix lcd_update() as soon as you commit |
09:19:26 | amiconn | LinusN: Ok. I'll just wait and check the result of my first commit round, then do the second |
09:19:32 | LinusN | nice |
09:19:53 | amiconn | Btw, don't forget to reconfigure (after the second commit). bmp2rb has learned a new format... |
09:20:02 | LinusN | will do, thx |
09:21:02 | LinusN | amiconn: i recall that we have had some nasty assumptions in the code, that the remote was always monochrome |
09:21:20 | LinusN | but i can't remember what it was |
09:21:47 | amiconn | Maybe it was the gui code |
09:22:01 | LinusN | i guess we'll soon find out :-) |
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09:23:40 | LinusN | amiconn: as always, my deepest respect for your gfx driver work |
09:24:45 | ravon | eh. Thank you, iTunes, for removing 7 gigs of music from my player. |
09:24:56 | LinusN | amiconn: #define SCROLLABLE_LINES ((LCD_HEIGHT+4)/5 < 32 ? (LCD_HEIGHT+4)/5 : 32) |
09:25:11 | LinusN | i guess the 5 is the smallest font size, right? |
09:25:25 | amiconn | yes |
09:25:28 | LinusN | ok |
09:25:55 | amiconn | I just repaired it how it was meant to be (and is in the dedicated drivers) |
09:26:08 | LinusN | yup, that was good |
09:26:24 | amiconn | Unfortunately the 32 is the limit as the scroll code uses a bitmask for storing which lines are actually used |
09:26:33 | LinusN | ah yes |
09:26:46 | LinusN | hmm, won't gigabeat suffer from that? |
09:27:00 | amiconn | The ipod video already does |
09:27:04 | LinusN | ah, yes |
09:27:21 | amiconn | ...even the ipod color/ h300 |
09:27:43 | amiconn | But it's a more theoretical limit - who would use a 5px font on those displays _and_ have more than 32 scrolling lines? |
09:27:44 | LinusN | otoh, who in the right mind would use such a small font with that many scrolling lines, gotta be rainman to make sense of that |
09:28:17 | amiconn | phew, first round went well |
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09:44:03 | amiconn | LinusN: Ok, there. |
09:44:29 | * | amiconn wonders about the 4 backlight-related "static after non-static" warnings |
09:44:52 | LinusN | hmmm |
09:45:37 | LinusN | i'll check it out |
09:45:40 | amiconn | Ah, maybe it's just because I enabled remote support for X5 |
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09:45:50 | LinusN | probably |
09:45:58 | amiconn | ...and the backlight stuff being in target tree already |
09:46:29 | * | LinusN is compiling |
09:46:50 | amiconn | There are also some app-level fixmes. Mainly the color_picker buttons, but also check the plugins |
09:47:05 | LinusN | will check |
09:47:21 | LinusN | i have waited with x5 button fixes until the upcoming action stuff |
09:48:56 | amiconn | With a picture of the remote it might be easier to find meaningful button assignments.... |
09:51:10 | LinusN | ouch, IRAM is full... |
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09:53:02 | amiconn | You still have the main framebuffer in IRAM? |
09:53:15 | LinusN | think so |
09:53:38 | theprodukkt | hi |
09:54:06 | theprodukkt | how/where can i add a new item to the configuration menu of rockbox? |
09:54:58 | LinusN | theprodukkt: tools/configure |
09:57:15 | theprodukkt | ? |
09:58:02 | LinusN | you change the tools/configure script (if that is what you mean with the "configuration menu" |
09:58:05 | LinusN | ) |
09:58:13 | theprodukkt | im thinkig of the menu when rockbox is running where i can for example adjust lcd brightness |
09:58:17 | theprodukkt | all those options |
09:58:19 | LinusN | ah, the settings |
09:58:25 | theprodukkt | oh sry yes |
09:58:28 | theprodukkt | my fault :/ |
09:58:43 | LinusN | you change three files (at least): |
09:59:02 | LinusN | apps/settings.h, apps/settings.c and apps/settings_menu.c |
09:59:18 | LinusN | you will probably also need to add the strings to apps/lang/english.lang |
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10:02:11 | LinusN | amiconn: is it important to have the remote frame buffer in iram? |
10:02:46 | amiconn | No, other than for speed |
10:02:55 | amiconn | On iriver we have the remote fb in IRAM |
10:03:23 | LinusN | i see |
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10:08:10 | LinusN | amiconn: so which framebuffer do you think is the most critical, and can be moved to dram? |
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10:08:28 | LinusN | s/most/least/ |
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10:08:38 | ton1 | hi, do you speak in Frensh here ? |
10:08:58 | LinusN | english please |
10:09:08 | LinusN | on parle anglais ici :-) |
10:09:37 | amiconn | Well the remote fb is smaller and so less data needs to be moved in total |
10:09:56 | ton1 | i have ipod nano, and y see rockbox , but my english is limited, sorry |
10:10:20 | LinusN | ton1: we'll try our best to understand you |
10:10:47 | theprodukkt_ | is strlen("abc") = 3 or = 4? |
10:10:54 | theprodukkt_ | (does he count the /0?) |
10:11:02 | ton1 | en Francais ça serait plus simple pour moi |
10:12:04 | amiconn | LinusN: Don't forget that remote drawing is also done if the remote is unplugged |
10:12:05 | ton1 | LinusN: on doit formater le IPOD pour mettre rockbox ? |
10:12:32 | LinusN | ton1: mais pas pour nous, je parle pas si bien francais |
10:13:08 | LinusN | ton1: is it formatted as FAT32 now? |
10:13:13 | ton1 | i do formated ipod for installing rockbox ? |
10:14:06 | LinusN | amiconn: hehe, the x5 framebuffer is in IDATA, and not IBSS :-/ |
10:14:20 | amiconn | huh? |
10:14:38 | * | amiconn already wondered why the x5 binary is bigger than the h300 one |
10:14:45 | LinusN | now you know :-) |
10:15:04 | * | amiconn points at Bagder |
10:15:42 | ton1 | Which is the adviser installation? Windows, Linux, ? i user linux |
10:16:34 | amiconn | ton1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux |
10:18:27 | ton1 | thank 's , yes, I saw but I am afraid for the IPOD, I would not like to kill it |
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10:19:15 | LinusN | ton1: nobody has yet killed his ipod, to my knowledge |
10:19:33 | ton1 | www.google.fr translated for me |
10:19:34 | LinusN | amiconn: i have to move the main lcd framebuffer |
10:20:33 | amiconn | The 16bit lcd driver is till in need of optimisation :/ |
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10:20:39 | LinusN | yup |
10:21:42 | amiconn | I'm thinking about tile-caching for quite some time now |
10:22:02 | ton1 | Once all east set up you use your IPOD like a key USB, you make copy stuck your audio files, towards the repertory of your choice in the IPOD? And you can read the audio files from the IPOD? like a walkman MP3 |
10:22:07 | Lynx_ | did anything about scrolling speed in the file browser change in the last weeks? i remember talk about that, but can't find anything in the cvs commits |
10:23:44 | markun | ton1: yes |
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10:24:56 | ton1 | to make does machine postpone after having installed rockbox is impossible I think, I am mistaken? |
10:25:02 | LinusN | amiconn: how would you make that? |
10:25:29 | LinusN | Lynx_: huh? |
10:25:38 | amiconn | LinusN: The basic idea is to have a cache for a number of 8x8 pixel blocks in IRAM |
10:26:04 | amiconn | Copying from/to this cache would use burst mode |
10:26:29 | amiconn | Drawing of small bits would be done within these blocks |
10:26:48 | ton1 | more need for iTune, GTKpod to add music in the IPOD? is to copy to stick enough? |
10:26:56 | LinusN | amiconn: but wouldn't the cache "housekeeping" eat up the saved cycles? |
10:27:11 | LinusN | ton1: copy is enough |
10:27:11 | amiconn | Yeah, that's one of the questions |
10:27:20 | amiconn | The other is how to keep consistency |
10:27:35 | * | LinusN whispers "can of worms..." |
10:27:38 | LinusN | :_) |
10:27:39 | Lynx_ | LinusN: I think there were mails in the dev list about improving the speed the screen is redrawn at in the file browser. I was hoping that would mabye have a positive impact on the scrolling speed, which is the only thing that a find somewhat annoying still about rockbox. |
10:28:06 | LinusN | Lynx_: you mean scrolling the file list? |
10:28:10 | Lynx_ | LinusN: yes |
10:28:26 | LinusN | i thought you meant the scrolling lines |
10:28:33 | Lynx_ | ah, sorry, no |
10:28:53 | ton1 | LinusN: Is Rockbox it to manage the photo albums, it makes also diaporama? |
10:29:00 | LinusN | Lynx_: yes, there is a patch to reduce the screen drawing in the list widget, but i don't know how well it works |
10:29:16 | amiconn | Another idea is to bundle 2 pixels into a 32bit word for mono bitmap drawing. Way less complex, but also less potential speedup |
10:29:19 | LinusN | ton1: "diaporama"? |
10:30:37 | Lynx_ | LinusN: ok, so nothing in cvs yet. Is it likely that the problem of sound pausing after longer scrolling in the file list is going to be fixed? I guess the scrolling takes CPU resouces away from the decoding, if i understand that correctly. |
10:30:42 | amiconn | Maybe the same could be done with whole lines (8 pixels), but then the loop will probably run out of registers |
10:31:08 | amiconn | ...which might end up being slower than what we have now |
10:31:12 | LinusN | Lynx_: yes, optimizing the screen drawing will have a good effect on the decoding |
10:31:24 | LinusN | amiconn: probably |
10:31:52 | ton1 | diaporama = photograph which ravels all alone |
10:34:21 | ton1 | LinusN: Is Rockbox it to manage the photo albums and it can make ravel the photographs all alone every two seconds ? |
10:34:33 | LinusN | ton1: you mean a slide show? |
10:35:04 | ton1 | yes |
10:36:12 | LinusN | yes, there is a slideshow mode |
10:36:25 | ton1 | sorry, google.fr is the person in charge for my translation |
10:36:33 | LinusN | :-) |
10:37:54 | ton1 | Does the guarantee of the IPOD go it in the event of bug? |
10:39:23 | ton1 | does y have to you it a pleasant sight? in the style of the IPOD the origin has |
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10:40:50 | LinusN | ton1: apple may say that installing rockbox will void the warranty |
10:41:22 | LinusN | i didn't understand the second question :-) |
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10:43:52 | ton1 | LinusN: is the aspect of the menu has not very identical compared to the menu of the IPOD has the origin? no visual change too radical? |
10:44:15 | ravon | "Thou shall always test compilation before commiting" :D |
10:44:34 | LinusN | ton1: it does not look the same at all |
10:44:34 | amiconn | ravon ? |
10:44:41 | LinusN | ravon: this is intentional |
10:45:00 | amiconn | The commit message even says it _will_ break the X5 target |
10:45:08 | amiconn | LinusN is working on the missing part |
10:45:50 | ravon | amiconn: Reading the commit log :) |
10:46:44 | ton1 | Why Rockbox me interress ?.... |
10:47:20 | ton1 | My ipod nano walk very well under GTKpod, but on the other hand iTune is not his/her friend… (If I MP3 by GTKpod put on the IPOD, and then I reboot under Windows and I start iTune, iTune transfers all the MP3 added by GTKpod without anything to ask me ) |
10:47:56 | ravon | How come the amount of fun Rockbox commits always directly relates to how much I forgot my player at home? |
10:48:18 | LinusN | ravon: :-) |
10:54:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you need to bump the settings config block number? Won't defining HAVE_REMOTE_LCD for the X5 change the config block structure? |
10:54:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: Oh |
10:54:55 | * | amiconn *knows* why he doesn't lik ethe binary settings anymore |
10:55:16 | linuxstb | :) Same problem happened the other day when recording was enabled... |
10:55:53 | amiconn | LinusN: could you do that? Atm it only "hurts" the sim |
10:55:59 | LinusN | it sure is time to move to file based settings |
10:56:08 | LinusN | amiconn: i'll do it |
10:56:16 | LinusN | (it hurt me) :-) |
10:57:15 | ton1 | Thank you, for all his information, I will reflect, goodbye |
10:58:32 | ton1 | Thank you google for was the translation, it with the height? |
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11:01:20 | * | amiconn wouldn't thank google for that translation |
11:01:41 | amiconn | Automatic translation doesn't work very well for european languages |
11:01:49 | LinusN | ton1: the google translation was really bad :-) |
11:02:03 | amiconn | For some reason it works better for asian languages like chinese or japanese |
11:02:24 | amiconn | (I mean translating from these to english) |
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11:03:59 | Bg3r | amiconn: or korean:) |
11:04:08 | amiconn | yes |
11:04:22 | Bg3r | or jungti1234 doesn't use google .. |
11:04:28 | amiconn | Surely not perfect, but way better than from French or German etc |
11:05:00 | theprodukkt_ | does somebody know a function in the ms.net development environment with which i can test just a small part of the code, for example a function by giving it values and getting the return? |
11:05:05 | amiconn | Dunno; I use babelfish for such purposes, but afaik all these services use systran |
11:05:42 | LinusN | theprodukkt_: i don't know anything about ms.net |
11:06:10 | LinusN | theprodukkt_: i think you would have to create a dummy application and call the function from there |
11:06:24 | theprodukkt_ | this would be a possibility |
11:06:38 | ton1 | Sorry,I had that that under the hand to try to render comprehensible me, my English is not very advanced goodbye and thank you still |
11:06:46 | theprodukkt_ | but if there are used any structs from other included files it would be a lot of work |
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11:07:03 | LinusN | ton1: de rien |
11:07:11 | theprodukkt | do u know any other environment which could help me in this? |
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11:08:16 | * | amiconn has got a new toy that makes him prefer one of 2 rockboxes for HiFi use now :-) |
11:08:35 | amiconn | The archos recorder or iriver H140, to be precise |
11:08:43 | * | LinusN is curious |
11:09:02 | LinusN | s/pdif input on your stereo? |
11:09:09 | amiconn | New HiFi, with s/pdif in |
11:09:34 | * | LinusN has coax s/pdif input on his stereo |
11:10:04 | amiconn | Both coax and optical (but if it wouldn't have both, I could use my self-made converter) |
11:11:04 | LinusN | my optical input is occupied by the dvd player |
11:11:16 | LinusN | gotta build myself a converter too |
11:11:41 | amiconn | Building a converter is quite cheap, only a few parts needed |
11:12:04 | amiconn | The most expensive parts are the TOTX/TORX modules |
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11:13:33 | LinusN | schematics? |
11:14:31 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I should draw some |
11:14:50 | amiconn | I gathered them from various places on the net |
11:15:22 | amiconn | Do you know a free program for easy drawing of schematics? |
11:15:32 | LinusN | http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html |
11:15:40 | LinusN | amiconn: eagle |
11:17:27 | amiconn | There are no actual coax<->optical conversion circuits in the document you linked? |
11:17:31 | amiconn | -? |
11:17:42 | LinusN | no, but coax<->ttl |
11:18:00 | LinusN | and the totx/torx i found use ttl levels |
11:18:15 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
11:18:36 | amiconn | Yes they do |
11:18:53 | amiconn | I used TOTX173 and TORX173 |
11:19:20 | LinusN | i was looking at totx179 |
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11:20:22 | amiconn | (and a breadboard (?) for putting it all together) |
11:21:09 | amiconn | For coax->ttl I (mis)use the 74HCU04. In this application it's important to use the unbuffered version |
11:22:15 | LinusN | amiconn: the "Simple S/PDIF output without galvanic isolation"? |
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11:23:38 | amiconn | No, the "S/PDIF coax input circuit" |
11:23:40 | aliask | Quick question: is MP4/AAC playback working at the moment (h300). Wiki says it's sub-realtime, but the player doesn't play it at all. |
11:23:58 | amiconn | ...and then the TOTX173 hooked to the output |
11:24:38 | amiconn | The main diff between the TOTX173 and TOTX179 seems to be the package. The 173 are for print mount |
11:25:28 | LinusN | aliask: how is the file named? |
11:25:45 | aliask | "DJ Krush - Milight - 01 - Intro.mp4" |
11:25:56 | amiconn | My Optical coax consists of the TORX173 with the "Simplest TTL to S/PDIF coax interface" hooked up to its output |
11:26:03 | amiconn | Optical->coax |
11:26:50 | amiconn | (only that the parallel resistor is 91 ohm for better matching 75 ohm output impedance iirc) |
11:27:03 | LinusN | ok |
11:28:20 | theprodukkt | why is the tagcache refresh delayed until the next restart when initializing the db? |
11:29:23 | LinusN | theprodukkt: memory (re)allocation issues |
11:35:11 | theprodukkt | maybe we should somewhere show a message that db init is ready |
11:35:33 | theprodukkt | (some users already had problems in this point i think..) |
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11:36:47 | scorche | LinusN: why do i only see player, recorder, and h100 on the cvs builds page? |
11:37:27 | scorche | oh...does it show it only as it is building? |
11:37:39 | scorche | ah.... |
11:37:56 | sharpe | gosh scorche. |
11:38:04 | scorche | hush you |
11:38:06 | scorche | it is night |
11:38:20 | sharpe | i just woke up after fourteen hours of sleep. |
11:38:21 | scorche | and i have dealt with stupid girls on the phone for the last hour or 2 |
11:39:48 | linuxstb | aliask: There's a patch on flyspray which may help you play that file - it's called something like "improved mp4 metadata parser". |
11:40:36 | sharpe | i believe spam email is trying to tell me something. |
11:40:47 | sharpe | it's quoting the bible... |
11:42:13 | aliask | linuxstb: Ah thanks, I'll try it out. |
11:42:36 | linuxstb | aliask: Please report back - that patch should be committed if it helps. |
11:42:47 | aliask | Aye aye |
11:42:54 | sharpe | aliask! hey! |
11:43:08 | aliask | Evening (or whatever time it is where you are) |
11:43:25 | sharpe | Morning... |
11:43:49 | theprodukkt | whats the command in a while loop to not continue the code but jump to the next repeat |
11:44:20 | sharpe | you mean to skip to the next iteration of the loop? |
11:45:09 | theprodukkt | yes |
11:45:19 | theprodukkt | (sry 4 my english oO) |
11:45:24 | Slasheri | theprodukkt: continue; |
11:45:28 | theprodukkt | thx |
11:45:31 | sharpe | yay! |
11:45:33 | Slasheri | break; breaks the loop |
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11:52:46 | midkay | sharpe: wake up. |
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11:53:28 | sharpe | midkay: eh? |
11:53:34 | midkay | wke up. that's what. |
11:53:40 | midkay | have you listened to The Republic yet?! |
11:53:45 | sharpe | yes. |
11:53:50 | theprodukkt | char **xy = &ab; (ab is char *) |
11:53:54 | theprodukkt | does anybody understand this` |
11:54:19 | sharpe | ah... yes... |
11:54:45 | Slasheri | theprodukkt: what do you mean with that? |
11:54:59 | midkay | sharpe: its's lovely isn't it. |
11:55:20 | sharpe | midkay: not my close tastes in music but it seems good. |
11:55:33 | midkay | what sort of loser doesn't love legowelt. |
11:55:48 | midkay | no matter what you listen to! |
11:55:58 | Bg3r | theprodukkt: yes, this is correct |
11:56:49 | theprodukkt | i dont understand this |
11:57:10 | linuxstb | theprodukkt: If ab is char* (i.e. the address of a character), then &ab is char** - i.e. the address of the address of a character). |
11:57:11 | theprodukkt | trying to understand the function check_if_empty in tagcache.c but ... ARGH |
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11:57:40 | Slasheri | theprodukkt: that is especially useful if you want to modify/test the char * pointer value in a function.. void function(char **p) { if (*p == NULL || **p == '\0') ... } void otherfunction(void) { char *p; function(&p); } |
11:57:46 | Slasheri | hehe :) |
11:57:59 | amiconn | humpf. Flaky WLAN for some reason :( |
11:58:15 | theprodukkt | oh, its already 12:00! |
11:58:18 | theprodukkt | ive to go |
11:58:24 | theprodukkt | shit my doctor will be waiting : |
11:58:26 | theprodukkt | shit my doctor will be waiting :/ |
11:58:30 | theprodukkt | cya all thx 4 help |
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11:58:52 | LinusN | that's also a way of saying "oh, this is way over my head" :-) |
11:59:37 | amiconn | Pointers are nice :) |
11:59:43 | linuxstb | Hmm.... "Yes, please, add cue sheet support ! And I think it must be quite simple to add compared to other features" |
11:59:54 | sharpe | it's great how he repeated the sentence to fix the smilie. |
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12:00:00 | amiconn | quite simple, haha |
12:00:43 | amiconn | Cue sheet support is another such thing I don't understand the importance of |
12:01:39 | crashd_ | thats just because you dont use it amiconn |
12:01:44 | crashd_ | we've had this a thousand times before ;) |
12:02:40 | crwl | cue files fix a problem that only exists with crappy file formats and players |
12:03:07 | crashd_ | howso? they allow you to have a listing for a mix, for instance |
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12:04:07 | amiconn | rrrrr |
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12:06:10 | linuxstb | One thing I've been thinking about is to introduce the concept of subtracks in a file (for cue, sid, chaptered mp4 etc). The rest of Rockbox would still treat it as one file (i.e. it would be a single file in a playlist - you can't shuffle the contents), but NEXT/PREV in the WPS would take you to the next/prev subtrack, and the WPS would need the ability to display the extra metadata for the subtracks. |
12:06:26 | crwl | crashd_, why would you need cue files for that? |
12:06:49 | linuxstb | The only issue is how to efficiently store the metadata for all the sub-tracks... |
12:07:04 | LinusN | subtracks would perhaps also be nice for the sid codec |
12:07:37 | linuxstb | "(for cue, sid, chaptered mp4 etc)" |
12:08:11 | amiconn | And sub-tracks in mods, yes. |
12:08:36 | amiconn | But the problem remains that you can't put specific sub-tracks in playlists |
12:09:22 | linuxstb | Which is a .m3u problem as well as Rockbox... |
12:09:46 | amiconn | Yeah, but otoh I wouldn't like to move away from m3u |
12:09:56 | sharpe | i'm not quite sure how my headphones got wrapped over the desk light of mine... |
12:10:01 | amiconn | It's plain & simple, supported almost everywhere... |
12:10:14 | Slasheri | http://ihme.org/~miipekk/pointer_example.txt that could clear that ** pointer issue a bit :) |
12:11:44 | LinusN | clear as mud |
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12:13:13 | dionoea_work | hi |
12:13:53 | midkay | haha. |
12:14:38 | grimman | http://students.washington.edu/mmccain/nerdtest.html |
12:14:44 | grimman | "54.76190476190476% nerd blood flows through your veins." |
12:15:28 | midkay | ooh. |
12:15:29 | midkay | *takes* |
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12:18:35 | Bagder | fixed |
12:18:50 | Slasheri | :) |
12:21:47 | grimman | It's hibernation time. |
12:21:51 | grimman | Later, ladies. |
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12:26:00 | amiconn | Slasheri: If MAX_TRACK were required to be a power of 2, the ring buffer handling would be simple... |
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12:26:59 | amiconn | The hwcodec playback engine does that |
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12:29:32 | Slasheri | amiconn: hmm, i think it currently is |
12:30:41 | Slasheri | amiconn: i have planned many times to start rewriting some of the functions from scratch but the current code is quite a mess that it's hard very hard to begin :/ at least i would like to re-implement the buffering and remove the static ring structure |
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12:46:34 | theli_ua | anyone had problems with rockboxdev.sh ? |
12:47:39 | Bg3r | LinusN: i want to rearrange the sequence of the button_mapping struct.. |
12:47:50 | LinusN | Bg3r: do so |
12:47:53 | LinusN | :-) |
12:47:56 | Bg3r | which format is better ? |
12:48:04 | Bg3r | button, prev_button, action |
12:48:09 | Bg3r | or action, button, prevbutton ? |
12:48:19 | LinusN | the latter, i thknk |
12:48:45 | Bg3r | if it isn't done now, later will be even worse to be changed |
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12:50:30 | LinusN | Bg3r: yup |
12:57:02 | LinusN | wee, x5 lcd remote display works! |
12:58:31 | Bagder | niiiice |
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13:01:18 | linuxstb | Slasheri: If you're planning to rewrite the buffering code, I think it would be nice to allow codecs to perform their own buffering, or at least separate the container format parsing (and things like seeking and resume) from the actual audio data decoding. I've got a few ideas about how that could work, and will try to put them on the wiki somewhere. |
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13:20:41 | _insomnia | hey |
13:21:04 | _insomnia | can anyone send me the rockbox binary to the x5l? |
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13:24:23 | amiconn | LinusN: X5 sim turned red... |
13:24:55 | LinusN | yes, i know |
13:25:15 | LinusN | _insomnia: why don't you just download it? |
13:25:21 | _insomnia | hmm |
13:25:33 | _insomnia | the net told me to come here |
13:25:43 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org |
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13:26:03 | _insomnia | i don't have lots of expirience messing around with linux and mp3 players :) |
13:26:10 | _insomnia | i just bought a new x5l |
13:26:38 | _insomnia | does rockbox.org has a good manual for that stuff? |
13:27:11 | Slasheri | linuxstb: hmm, sounds interesting. Please put some ideas on the wiki :) i also need to completely plan the buffering before start coding |
13:27:23 | LinusN | _insomnia: linux? |
13:28:27 | _insomnia | well isnt the rockbox operating system based on linux kernel? |
13:28:30 | _insomnia | or am i way off? |
13:28:46 | sharpe | you are way off. |
13:28:54 | _insomnia | (just for the record, i found out about rockbox just 5 minutes ago) |
13:28:59 | sharpe | :) |
13:29:06 | LinusN | rockbox is written from scratch |
13:29:15 | _insomnia | in what language? |
13:29:22 | LinusN | C/asm |
13:29:30 | sharpe | C and target specific assembly, yay! |
13:30:05 | _insomnia | cool.. |
13:30:39 | _insomnia | as i understood rockbox uses unicode right? |
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13:31:24 | LinusN | _insomnia: yes, but not yet fully |
13:31:58 | Febs | _insomnia: you might want to spend a few minutes reading this: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-build.html |
13:32:20 | _insomnia | thanks |
13:32:23 | _insomnia | ill do that right now |
13:34:29 | BigMac | what is a good program tahts free for windows and cana rip from cd to flac |
13:35:28 | nudelyn | www.exactaudiocopy.de |
13:35:57 | Bg3r | BigMac: and http://flac.sf.net/ |
13:36:31 | _insomnia | Febs: why does it refer to the original firmware of the X5l as the iriver firmware |
13:36:32 | _insomnia | ? |
13:36:48 | Bg3r | ah ? |
13:37:11 | filR | BigMac: i also recommend exact audio copy. you can rip and directly encode the files into flac with it. |
13:37:27 | Bg3r | _insomnia: where? |
13:38:21 | _insomnia | in the manuak |
13:38:31 | _insomnia | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-build.html |
13:38:31 | _insomnia | manual |
13:38:49 | Bg3r | and there ? |
13:39:35 | BigMac | exact isn't free guys |
13:40:02 | filR | BigMac: hm, i believe it is. |
13:40:14 | BigMac | nvm |
13:40:15 | _insomnia | 1.4.2. Installing the bootloader |
13:40:21 | BigMac | the front page said it was |
13:40:22 | filR | BigMac: you can register by sending the author a postcard. but you have no disadvantages if you don't. :) |
13:40:26 | BigMac | but there is a beta |
13:40:48 | filR | yeah, eac will always be beta software i guess. |
13:40:51 | Bg3r | Febs: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch1.html#x3-80001.4.2 |
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13:42:51 | Bg3r | i wonder if the EAC's author burn the postcards in the winter :D |
13:43:04 | Mmmm | LinusN: I supose seeing as JdGordon is totally changing the button code, there is no point in committing a fix for the H3xx remotes. What do you think? |
13:43:20 | LinusN | Mmmm: better hold that |
13:43:20 | pondlife | amiconn: Might not be related to your recent work, but the H300 sim now shows a garbled logo on the remote simulator. pondlife.homeip.net/images/simshot.jpg">http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/simshot.jpg |
13:43:28 | Mmmm | ok... :) |
13:43:37 | pondlife | I don't have an LCD remote, so don't know if it affects the real thing |
13:44:07 | BigMac | do i need lame? |
13:44:14 | BigMac | im tight on cpu space |
13:44:22 | Bg3r | CPU spacE ? |
13:44:30 | filR | BigMac: only if you want to encode files als mp3. |
13:44:36 | BigMac | nah |
13:44:43 | filR | then you don't need lame. |
13:45:11 | _insomnia | rockbox manual doesnt mention where i can get the bootloader..! |
13:45:49 | BigMac | k so how do i rip to flac now |
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13:46:48 | nudelyn | http://www.google.com/search?q=Exact+Audio+Copy+FLAC <−− several guides |
13:46:59 | BigMac | and this doesnt keep track names |
13:47:04 | BigMac | nudelyn: tky |
13:47:30 | amiconn | pondlife: make clean and rebuild |
13:47:44 | amiconn | This is because of the logo change 2 days ago |
13:47:54 | amiconn | (remote logo with the correct width) |
13:48:28 | amiconn | Your libbitmapsremotenative.a now contains both versions |
13:49:47 | BigMac | these manuals don't make any sence to me |
13:50:07 | BigMac | does flac frontend rip to flac? |
13:50:13 | _insomnia | it doesnt say where i can get the bootloader |
13:50:18 | BigMac | it was on flac.sf.net |
13:51:47 | filR | BigMac: flac is only the actual encode, which will encode your files to flac. there may be some rippers which can directly encode the ripped files to flac (i believe exactaudiocopy can also do this - but i do not have the app in front of me at the momemt). |
13:53:05 | lex | rockbox freezed :-O |
13:53:31 | LinusN | lex: congratulations! |
13:53:36 | pondlife | amiconn: Thanks, that fixed it (as you knew it would) |
13:54:30 | Bg3r | filR: afaik EAC doesn't come with the flac encoder |
13:55:09 | BigMac | is there any program out there that can easily rip from cd to flac please |
13:55:18 | BigMac | these are all so hard:-s |
13:55:35 | filR | Bg3r: true. but isn't it possible to rip&encode files to flac in one action? |
13:56:09 | Bg3r | at least the last time when i used it it wasn't possible |
13:56:12 | filR | BigMac: what you could do, is rip the cd to wav (button in exactaudiocopy) and then encode them to flac with the flac windows front end. |
13:56:14 | filR | Bg3r: ok. :) |
13:56:25 | filR | BigMac: but then the tags will not be filled in for you. :/ |
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13:56:41 | Bg3r | BigMac: just see the tutorial on hydrogenaudio.org |
13:56:56 | BigMac | i need tags |
13:57:16 | lex | LinusN: yeah, thanks |
13:58:15 | aliask | Ugh, that MP4 metadata patch is broken, and I'm wading through it trying to get it to apply - what's the point of a "#if 1"? |
13:58:28 | _insomnia | hey guys |
13:58:35 | Bg3r | BigMac: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC |
13:58:37 | Bg3r | see here |
13:58:37 | _insomnia | i'm really confused with the dualbooting thing |
13:58:46 | Bg3r | BigMac: and here: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_and_Flac |
13:58:53 | filR | _insomnia: how so? |
13:59:05 | _insomnia | do i have to compile the bootloader? |
13:59:22 | _insomnia | isnt there a complied version of the dual bootloader i can get? |
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14:00:22 | linuxstb | aliask: I assume the patch is still a work-in-progress... |
14:00:36 | aliask | So no point? |
14:00:45 | filR | _insomnia: you don't really need to compile it. but i don't think there is an easier way then described on the homepage. |
14:00:45 | linuxstb | But I'm surprised it's broken - I think some of the ipod experimental builds include it. |
14:01:04 | _insomnia | you mean on the forum? |
14:01:06 | BigMac | eac doesn't tag infor huh? |
14:01:14 | _insomnia | all i found was this thread |
14:01:14 | _insomnia | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3766.60 |
14:01:18 | _insomnia | and this page |
14:01:19 | _insomnia | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5289 |
14:01:26 | filR | BigMac: normally it does retrieve cd information from the internet. |
14:01:26 | aliask | It could be how I'm applying it - but I doubt it. ("patch -p0 < metadata.patch" in rockbox-devel/) |
14:01:47 | * | linuxstb goes to download the patch |
14:02:03 | filR | _insomnia: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Rockbox_Installation_Instruction |
14:02:45 | BigMac | filR: right once cd is inserted? or while ripping |
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14:02:54 | linuxstb | aliask: It patches fine for me with that command. Do you have any other patches? |
14:02:56 | filR | BigMac: once the cd is inserted. |
14:03:09 | BigMac | nope didn't do it for ten |
14:03:15 | aliask | Well, it patches fine, but it doesn't compile - I'm running it on a clean cvs |
14:03:22 | linuxstb | aliask: Just discovered that... |
14:03:27 | theprodukkt | hey |
14:03:31 | filR | BigMac: but i think there is even a button to force eac to retrieve cd information. "cddb" or similar? (but it has been a long time since i used eac) |
14:04:30 | _insomnia | lol |
14:04:41 | _insomnia | filR: the iaudio instructions are missing |
14:04:50 | filR | _insomnia: lol. |
14:05:05 | linuxstb | aliask: Yes, the patch is being applied in the wrong place in metadata.c - i.e. in the middle of an existing function :) |
14:05:17 | filR | _insomnia: sorry, but then i can't really help you much either. i am also quite the rockbox newb. :) |
14:05:36 | aliask | Ah ok, I'll just copy and paste from the .diff into a suitable place in the file |
14:06:28 | linuxstb | aliask: If you manage to get it compiling, could you upload an updated patch? |
14:06:33 | _insomnia | could anyone help me install the rockbox dualboot loader on my Iaudio X5L ? |
14:06:34 | aliask | Sure thing. |
14:08:44 | linuxstb | _insomnia: The rockbox X5 dualboot bootloader isn't an official part of Rockbox - which is why it's not documented anywhere officially, and why there is probably no-one here that knows how it works. |
14:09:37 | LinusN | a kosher dual-boot loader is on my todo list |
14:11:12 | _insomnia | ok |
14:11:13 | _insomnia | thanks |
14:11:39 | theprodukkt | does anybody know a tool which stores multiple running applications/programms to one frame (in the windows-menubar is only the frame stored) |
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14:16:15 | linuxstb | theprodukkt: This is #rockbox... (I've no idea what you're talking about, but it doesn't sound even remotely Rockbox related) |
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14:24:53 | aliask | linuxstb: I got it to compile, but the pached binary didn't actually help with playing the mp4 file, still want the patch? |
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14:26:05 | linuxstb | Did anything change compared to the CVS version? What happens when you select a file? |
14:26:33 | linuxstb | And yes, even if there are still problems, it would be helpful to at least have a version of the patch that patches cleanly. |
14:28:08 | aliask | Dumps you to the wps, which says "no file" - there's no metadata either, but that's what happened before the patch anyway. |
14:28:33 | aliask | That's what happens when it's a directory of its own, if there are other files in the directory, it will just skip to it and start playing. |
14:33:12 | linuxstb | Could you give me a copy of that file? I won't look at it now, but am building a collection of mp4 files for when I do. |
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14:35:17 | _insomnia | hey everyone |
14:35:22 | _insomnia | i managed to load the dualboot |
14:35:25 | _insomnia | thanks |
14:35:30 | BigMac | yay |
14:35:35 | _insomnia | yeah |
14:35:49 | _insomnia | almost had to gcc it on my vmware running backtrack |
14:35:59 | _insomnia | but i found it complied |
14:36:11 | LinusN | goodie |
14:36:48 | _insomnia | thanks a bunch |
14:37:02 | linuxstb | LinusN: What's the problem with the current dual-boot bootloader? I seem to remember it calling functions from the original firmware... |
14:37:04 | _insomnia | are there any color themes on rockbox? |
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14:39:31 | LinusN | linuxstb: exactly |
14:40:38 | linuxstb | _insomnia: Try the WpsGallery wiki page, or http://www.rockbox-themes.org |
14:40:55 | linuxstb | (or design one yourself...) |
14:41:29 | LinusN | x5 remote öcd support committed |
14:41:32 | LinusN | lcd |
14:42:19 | aliask | Does the x5 come with the remote? |
14:42:22 | LinusN | buttons are still not working properly, but that'll come with the new action code concept |
14:42:26 | LinusN | aliask: no |
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14:44:23 | linuxstb | cough cough, config block version, cough, cough, .... |
14:45:06 | LinusN | ah, damn |
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14:46:13 | LinusN | linuxstb: done, thanks for reminding me |
14:47:11 | theprodukkt | where are the rockbox settings stored? |
14:47:17 | theprodukkt | when i shut it down |
14:47:30 | theprodukkt | and restart the settings are still the old |
14:47:39 | theprodukkt | so they have to be saved somewhere right? |
14:47:40 | linuxstb | In an otherwise unused sector on the disk. |
14:47:52 | linuxstb | (between the partition table and the first partition) |
14:48:12 | theprodukkt | omg? |
14:48:15 | theprodukkt | why |
14:48:30 | theprodukkt | so difficult, couldnt it easy be saved into a file? |
14:48:53 | linuxstb | 1) It's quick and easy; 2) Rockbox has not always had the ability to write to files. |
14:49:03 | linuxstb | But the plan is to move to using a file. |
14:50:43 | LinusN | theprodukkt: like linuxstb said, it's mostly a legacy from the time when rockbox had no fat32 write support |
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14:56:14 | BigMac | what bitrate is flac? |
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14:57:11 | filR | BigMac: depends. normally around half the file size of wav. |
14:57:16 | pekuja | about 512 or something? |
14:57:42 | BigMac | is their a way i can find out what it is? |
14:57:50 | BigMac | i need the exact bitrate |
14:57:56 | filR | more. around 600-900. |
14:58:16 | filR | BigMac: most players will tell you the bitrate. |
14:58:25 | BigMac | yah ill check my ipod |
14:59:05 | Bg3r | LinusN: i still think that remotes' actions shouldn't be in separate arrays ... |
14:59:29 | pekuja | raw CD-audio is 1378 kbps, correct? |
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14:59:48 | LinusN | Bg3r: how would you solve the remote problem on the h-series then? |
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15:00:18 | pekuja | 44100*16*2/1024 (44.1kHz, 16bit, stereo) |
15:00:20 | BigMac | 903 kbps |
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15:00:36 | LinusN | should be /1000 |
15:01:22 | filR | BigMac: sounds about right. |
15:01:26 | Bg3r | LinusN: my idea is to _have_ them as const arrays only for the actual mapping per remote, and to be added/changed/deleted at the end of each context |
15:01:27 | theprodukkt | are the standard settings (the settings which are set after the first installation) stored somewhere in the sourcecode? |
15:01:28 | Bg3r | uf:( |
15:02:08 | LinusN | theprodukkt: yes, in settings.c |
15:02:26 | Bg3r | that is, to leave space at the end of each context for the remote mappings |
15:02:49 | LinusN | Bg3r: so you copy the actual mapping into the table? |
15:02:51 | Bg3r | and when the remote is plugged in, the specific mapping... |
15:02:52 | Bg3r | yep |
15:02:54 | Bg3r | the same |
15:03:12 | Bg3r | and if there isn't remote |
15:03:24 | pekuja | LinusN, why /1000 ? |
15:03:31 | Bg3r | just first line of the remote mapping is set to LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST |
15:03:41 | pekuja | LinusN, is it actually measured in metric kilos instead of binary kilos? |
15:03:44 | LinusN | pekuja: because "kilo" is not 1024 |
15:04:03 | pekuja | LinusN, it is in some cases |
15:04:06 | filR | it is kilo bit, not kilo byte afaik. :) |
15:04:08 | linuxstb | pekuja: Only disk/memory capacity seems to use 1024. Communication speed is always 1000. |
15:04:16 | Bg3r | LinusN: what do you think about this ? |
15:04:36 | LinusN | Bg3r: could work |
15:04:48 | Bg3r | yes, it will... |
15:04:50 | theprodukkt | linusN, thx |
15:05:11 | pekuja | linuxstb, even disk/memory capacity is measured in 1000 by the manufacturers to make them seem larger |
15:05:28 | linuxstb | pekuja: And we all know that's wrong :) |
15:05:40 | pekuja | linuxstb, yeah, well |
15:05:56 | LinusN | theprodukkt: most of the default values are stored in the xxx_bits[] arrays, as the third item in each entry |
15:06:12 | Bg3r | it'll occupy a little more mem, but there won't be these 3 cases on the platforms with remote in get_default_action() |
15:06:16 | theprodukkt | in settings_menu.c a lot of functions to set the bools look like that: static bool ...(void) { bool result = set_bool_options(...); return result;} |
15:06:30 | pekuja | LinusN, it'd be so much nicer if there only was one standard :-P |
15:06:35 | linuxstb | pekuja: I've always seen the bitrate for CD audio quoted as 1411kbit/s. |
15:06:45 | pekuja | I mean linuxstdb, but doesn't matter that much. |
15:06:46 | theprodukkt | wouldnt it be better if the result of the set_bool is directly forwarded to the return call |
15:06:54 | pekuja | linuxstb, ok |
15:06:56 | LinusN | theprodukkt: but you must also look att the settings_reset() function for some special cases |
15:07:14 | theprodukkt | like { result set_bool_options; } |
15:07:28 | theprodukkt | ok thx ill check it |
15:07:41 | pekuja | using 1024 is kinda useless these days |
15:08:47 | LinusN | theprodukkt: the set_xxx() return value tells you if the dialog was cancelled |
15:08:56 | linuxstb | pekuja: Logical disk sectors are normally 512 bytes, not 500 bytes.... |
15:09:22 | Bg3r | LinusN: in the way it's now ... if u want a "user" action mapping (and want to use the remote too), u would supply the remote keys at the end of the user table, or there should be 2 parameters for set_user_action(struct button_mapping* main, ... remote) |
15:10:46 | LinusN | set_user_action()? did you just invent that function? |
15:12:41 | Bg3r | yes :D |
15:13:17 | Bg3r | regarding local contexts |
15:14:12 | pekuja | linuxstb, true. does it make any sense to the user to know that though? |
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15:18:29 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Hello. What's the news on your H10? |
15:18:44 | barrywardell | I think there's a problem with the hdd |
15:18:54 | barrywardell | and I haven't been able to recover it |
15:19:03 | barrywardell | I'm thinking about doing an RMA |
15:19:46 | linuxstb | Hopefully iriver don't monitor this channel and recognise your name :) |
15:19:59 | linuxstb | I guess you've still got your own .mi4 there? |
15:20:31 | barrywardell | yeah, so I don't know if they will notice or not |
15:20:45 | linuxstb | Hopefully the HD is dead, in which case they won't... |
15:20:45 | barrywardell | but it looks like it's my only option |
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15:20:59 | barrywardell | it seems to be totally dead |
15:21:14 | barrywardell | the rest of the player seems fine. |
15:21:59 | LinusN | badness |
15:23:30 | aliask | What did you do to it? |
15:24:51 | barrywardell | i was using a build of the rockbox bootloader |
15:26:31 | barrywardell | basically the ipod bootloader modified to read the gpio ports and write the data to disk |
15:28:33 | barrywardell | just filled out iriver's rma request form there |
15:28:45 | barrywardell | it's still in warranty until the 30th of July |
15:28:57 | filR | lol |
15:30:11 | aliask | Good timing then |
15:30:37 | barrywardell | it's a fairly significant setback to the h10 port efforts |
15:31:15 | aliask | My player's long out of warantee, if anything happened to it, I think I'd just have an expensive 40gb harddrive (that is, if the hdd still worked) |
15:31:36 | aliask | Did you ever get the button driver working? |
15:33:03 | barrywardell | i had finally just got a build target up an running |
15:33:20 | barrywardell | i had the buttons mostly figured out i think |
15:33:29 | barrywardell | and a driver written |
15:33:32 | LinusN | barrywardell: please submit a patch with what you've got so far |
15:34:02 | barrywardell | LinusN: I will do of course. but am a little wary of bricking someone else's h10 |
15:34:30 | LinusN | barrywardell: that's not your problem |
15:35:00 | theprodukkt | linus: {1, S_O(tagcache_ram), 0, "tagcache_ram", off_on } i took this line from the settings.c, could u explain the meaning of those values shortly (i think the first is the settingstoragesize in bytes) |
15:36:26 | LinusN | the first is size in bits, not bytes |
15:36:59 | theprodukkt | ah yes |
15:36:59 | goffa | well... they didn't void my warranty (but then i was able to get original firmware back on) |
15:37:17 | LinusN | S_O(...) is a macro that translates to the size and offset of the member of the settings struct |
15:37:30 | theprodukkt | 0 is the standard value? |
15:37:40 | LinusN | the default value, yes |
15:37:48 | barrywardell | where should I submit a patch to? |
15:38:07 | theprodukkt | and "tagcache_ram" the entry in the .lang file? |
15:38:14 | linuxstb | barrywardell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
15:39:31 | LinusN | theprodukkt: "tagcache_ram" is the name of the setting in the .cfg file |
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15:40:12 | linuxstb | LinusN: Do you think the H10 patch should be committed, or you just want it on the tracker so the work isn't lost? |
15:40:22 | theprodukkt | and the last off_on? |
15:40:32 | LinusN | linuxstb: the latter |
15:42:13 | linuxstb | LinusN: OK. I agree, but was just checking... |
15:43:20 | LinusN | theprodukkt: it would really help if you read the file settings.c, start at line 168 |
15:43:56 | theprodukkt | yes |
15:44:09 | LinusN | theprodukkt: the last member in the entry is a string with the possible values in the .cfg file |
15:44:15 | theprodukkt | just wanted to write i found it |
15:44:27 | LinusN | :-) |
15:44:48 | theprodukkt | excuse me (but its so much easier 2 ask... :) |
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15:47:12 | theprodukkt | if i want to commit a patch, should i comment difficult parts first? |
15:47:35 | LinusN | you comment what you feel is necessary |
15:47:50 | theprodukkt | do long comments bother you? |
15:48:11 | LinusN | not if they are relevant |
15:49:07 | LinusN | theprodukkt: if you want the patch included in cvs, you need to make sure that it can be compiled on all platforms |
15:52:12 | goffa | wow... had a .trash folder on my player.. freed up 2gb deleting that.. i'm guessing ubuntu put it there when i deleted stuff |
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15:54:53 | theprodukkt | linus, why should a patch that runs on h3x0 not run on other platforms? |
15:55:19 | aliask | Not all targets have things like colour screens, or the same buttons, etc. |
15:55:43 | theprodukkt | (do i have to compile it for each platform or can i check it theoritcally (sorry for that word, hope u can understand)) |
15:56:12 | theprodukkt | my patch is about the tagcache, doesnt touch anything with the frontend like colors buttons, .. |
15:56:43 | theprodukkt | the functions (c++) should be the same on all platforms nor? |
15:57:00 | LinusN | theprodukkt: then it's likely to work for all platforms that support tag cache |
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15:57:44 | LinusN | theprodukkt: submit the patch, and we'll tell you if it is ok |
15:58:16 | LinusN | gotta go, cu around |
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16:09:30 | Mikachu | i think the latest commit in Tremor was bad |
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16:09:48 | Mikachu | had some problems with ogg files, reverted it and it seems fine |
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16:09:58 | Mikachu | but maybe not |
16:10:51 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Nice bug report :) |
16:11:08 | Mikachu | i am still testing |
16:11:12 | Mikachu | it is sort of random |
16:11:23 | Mikachu | it just start skipping ahead very fast suddenly |
16:11:27 | Mikachu | and then crashes |
16:11:50 | linuxstb | Don't you have 1001 other patches in your build though? Or are you testing with CVS? |
16:11:57 | Mikachu | i do |
16:12:14 | Mikachu | and i'm not |
16:12:41 | Mikachu | nobody else had any problems then? |
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16:13:46 | Mikachu | but the debug screen showed 85% usage for the codec thread, i thought that was a bit odd |
16:14:05 | Mikachu | and that latest patch comments out two frees |
16:14:46 | linuxstb | You should speak to Lear about it - he's our vorbis guru. |
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16:15:22 | Mikachu | okay |
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16:15:48 | Rincewind | hi |
16:16:26 | Mikachu | linuxstb: if the stack grew due to a leak in vorbis, would that then also affect mp3 files, or is the stack cleared on codec swaps? |
16:17:14 | Rincewind | i get an error in star_tiles.10x10.grey.c when I compile: "syntax error before '-' token (h120) can someone confirm this? |
16:17:17 | linuxstb | I would assume it's cleared on codec swaps. |
16:17:39 | Mikachu | hm, then it might be something completely different |
16:17:49 | Mikachu | i can't try anything more drastic until i get home though |
16:18:55 | Mikachu | would rb crash if the codec stack overflows or is it only the main stack? |
16:19:38 | Mikachu | i've listened to 3 songs now and it's at 14% still, so i think something was fishy before |
16:19:44 | linuxstb | I'm not sure exactly where the codec stack is, so don't know where it would overflow to. But obviously stack overflows are generally a bad thing... |
16:20:32 | Mikachu | okay, thanks. i'll not bother´you more until i've got home and try cvs |
16:20:54 | linuxstb | But why do you think it's the stack? That's unrelated to the codec malloc/free - which should fail to allocate more memory than is available. |
16:21:14 | Mikachu | i dunno, just guessing |
16:21:22 | Mikachu | and that it showed 85% |
16:22:11 | linuxstb | It would show 100% if there was an overflow (or probably actually tell you there's an overflow and stop) |
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16:26:38 | Mikachu | nevertheless it still seems to be working fine... but it sometimes worked this long before too... |
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16:34:54 | theprodukkt | if i want to commit a patch which has a new entry in the .lang file, do i have to add this entry to all .lang files? |
16:35:31 | Mikachu | okay, it's doing it now |
16:35:48 | linuxstb | theprodukkt: No, just the English. |
16:36:32 | Mikachu | (and the stack at 90%) |
16:36:57 | theprodukkt | may i also add more (im already ready with the german) |
16:36:57 | Mikachu | rebooted and it is still doing it, with stack at 14% |
16:37:02 | Mikachu | so i guess that's not it then |
16:40:41 | linuxstb | theprodukkt: I can't think of a reason why not. |
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16:44:37 | theprodukkt | i can... if i add 33 languages the patchfile would be much bigger |
16:45:13 | theprodukkt | some people (like me) like smaller files :) (maybe im ill because of my 64k connection) |
16:45:34 | linuxstb | I'm assuming you were only planning on one or two languages... |
16:45:48 | theprodukkt | yes |
16:45:51 | theprodukkt | thats right |
16:46:08 | theprodukkt | i just wanted to know if the limit is already reached with 2 |
16:46:12 | theprodukkt | nevermind! |
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16:47:23 | Genre9mp3 | Sometimes while recording the peak meters stop responding (probably when the disk spins)... Is this on purpose or is it a bug? Anyone know? |
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16:51:37 | barrywardell | i'm ready to make the patch for the h10 |
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16:51:54 | barrywardell | do i just do a "cvs diff -uN" |
16:52:12 | barrywardell | that doesn't seem to include the new files I have in target/arm/iriver/h10 |
16:53:14 | Mikachu | you have to cvs add them |
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16:53:50 | barrywardell | doh! of course. i'm so stupid! |
16:53:52 | theprodukkt | can i do the patch also with diff? |
16:54:22 | Genre9mp3 | barrywardell: Are you working on H10 port? |
16:54:27 | barrywardell | hmm. "add" requires write access to the repository |
16:54:54 | barrywardell | Genre9mp3: I have been |
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16:55:05 | barrywardell | but hit a snag. messed up the hdd |
16:55:39 | Genre9mp3 | hmmm...I hope you'll manage to recover that |
16:56:03 | webguest03 | barrywardell: either use cvsdo add, or diff them against /dev/null and append them to your diff |
16:57:22 | Genre9mp3 | An H10 port would be quite interesting.... barrywardell, best of luck with that |
16:57:36 | Genre9mp3 | And with the messed HDD of course, first |
16:58:22 | barrywardell | i'm sending it back to iriver for repair. if they don't notice I messed it up and repair it for free, then I plan to get back to working on the port |
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17:03:56 | theprodukkt | what happend to the HDD |
17:05:08 | barrywardell | not too sure really |
17:05:28 | theprodukkt | i dont know the h10 |
17:05:40 | barrywardell | i was running some test code and when i tried to connect it back up to my comp it wouldn't mount |
17:06:01 | BigMac | anyone use eac for their flac ripping |
17:06:02 | barrywardell | i've tried fdisk, mkfs, all that stuff |
17:06:02 | goffa | would it boot? |
17:06:29 | barrywardell | it boots the bootloader off flash memory, but as soon as it tries to access the disk it fails |
17:06:34 | goffa | ah |
17:06:41 | goffa | yeah.. drive's gotta be toast |
17:07:00 | theprodukkt | can u access it from pc? |
17:07:07 | theprodukkt | if u connect the hdd directly |
17:07:22 | goffa | worse case scenario.. if they don't fix it you should be able to replace the hd with something bigger |
17:07:39 | theprodukkt | (may i add myself to the credits when commiting a patch? (on the first place ;)?) |
17:08:07 | anton_ | omg rockbox seems soo cool! is it easy to install? |
17:08:15 | goffa | yeah.. i think you did the right thing by sending it in barrywardell |
17:08:19 | anton_ | on a 4g ipod |
17:08:34 | theprodukkt | goffa, im not sure about that |
17:08:34 | goffa | because opening it would have voided the warranty for sure |
17:08:47 | theprodukkt | if iriver even dont repair their players due to rockbox.. |
17:09:06 | theprodukkt | they should notice the bootloader... |
17:09:09 | barrywardell | it's a 1.8" hdd. don't know how i would connect that to a computer |
17:09:36 | theprodukkt | there are adapters, maybe u can build it yourself, lets take a look at google |
17:09:42 | goffa | if it can't see the .rockbox folder it should default back to iriver |
17:09:47 | goffa | so they'll see a brief -1 |
17:09:47 | theprodukkt | but i think i heared something bout that |
17:09:53 | goffa | then it should go into iriver |
17:10:05 | goffa | and they might not catch that |
17:10:19 | theprodukkt | the bootloader? |
17:11:21 | goffa | yeah |
17:11:38 | goffa | at least it was that way on my 140.. i had a functioning hd so i was able to get default back on |
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17:11:48 | goffa | but when i deleted my rockbox folder it defaulted to iriver firmware |
17:12:21 | goffa | i mean sending it in is a gamble.. but cracking the case is a way to guaruntee a voided warranty |
17:13:16 | theprodukkt | do u have to pay the post costs? |
17:13:23 | theprodukkt | would they notice a cracked case? |
17:13:31 | barrywardell | yes. to send to them |
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17:16:02 | anton_ | the install manual tells me to get this file |
17:16:03 | anton_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation/ipodpatcher.exe |
17:16:11 | anton_ | but its just access denied |
17:16:18 | barrywardell | not sure if they would notice an opened case |
17:16:20 | anton_ | can I get it somewhere else? |
17:17:39 | anton_ | help |
17:18:07 | linuxstb | anton_: If you go to this page first, and then try to download it from the link at the bottom, does it work? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation |
17:19:02 | anton_ | yes thanxbye |
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17:20:57 | anton_ | "Extract the Apple firmware from the partition image image just created:" |
17:21:06 | linuxstb | Bagder: What do you think about moving the ipod installation programs and bootloaders to somewhere on http://download.rockbox.org ? |
17:21:14 | anton_ | does this mean I'll always have a backup from my ipod? |
17:21:57 | linuxstb | A backup of the original firmware, yes. |
17:22:04 | anton_ | ok |
17:22:23 | linuxstb | So to uninstall the Rockbox bootloader, you just write that bootpartition.bin file back. |
17:22:30 | anton_ | ok |
17:22:32 | anton_ | hehe |
17:22:51 | anton_ | ill see if I need that apple junk after this killerapp |
17:22:51 | anton_ | ^^ |
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17:32:52 | BigMac | anyone here use eac |
17:37:54 | anton_ | when Ive installed rockbox and booted the player up, i got to a menu with the old "calendar, contacts, notes" and "rockbox" when executing rockbox I just get to seethe splashscreen and then back to the same menu |
17:38:18 | linuxstb | You are in Rockbox's file browser... |
17:38:24 | linuxstb | I suggest you read the manual |
17:38:45 | anton_ | haha |
17:38:51 | anton_ | I did read the manual |
17:38:51 | anton_ | before |
17:38:56 | anton_ | now ill read it agina |
17:38:59 | anton_ | bye |
17:39:01 | linuxstb | :) It isn't a menu - those are the folders on your disk. |
17:39:59 | barrywardell | The patch is in the tracker now. But be warned, I did brick my H10 using this stuff |
17:40:07 | linuxstb | anton_: There is a hidden directory called ipod_control where itunes has hidden your music (and renamed it to funny names). Search for tagcache in the manual and enable it - or copy your music to your ipod using windows explorer. |
17:40:30 | barrywardell | also, it's under Battery/Charging for some reason. Must have selected that by mistake |
17:41:34 | linuxstb | I've just changed it to "build environment". Probably still not accurate, but better than battery/charging. |
17:42:24 | barrywardell | feel free to have a look at it when you get the chance. |
17:42:43 | barrywardell | hopefully i will be able to work on it again, so any feedback is welcome |
17:45:18 | linuxstb | Where do you have to send your iriver to? Somewhere in Europe? |
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17:54:52 | A_M | snprintf(string2, MAX_PATH, "%s%s", string1, string2); |
17:54:56 | A_M | Because of the order the strings are copied I get string1 twice with the code above. |
17:55:02 | A_M | What would be the best way to combine the two strings in the desired order without resorting to a temp string? |
17:57:20 | dan_a | A_M: Would strncat work? |
17:59:00 | A_M | *blushes* forgot about strncat. been a while since I coded in C. I'll give it a try. |
17:59:26 | dan_a | It might well have the same problem |
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18:01:10 | A_M | nope, strcat worked fine. thanks! |
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18:17:05 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd: Yes. |
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18:37:11 | senab | can i just ask is the unix version of a batch (.bat) file a .sh file? |
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18:39:17 | linuxstb_ | senab: Yes. |
18:39:36 | senab | thanks |
18:40:20 | linuxstb_ | BTW, just read the last post in the thread about your experimental build - what is the "scrolling status bar thing" ? |
18:40:48 | senab | i think it's the scrolling optimization patch |
18:41:02 | senab | the numbers at the top tellin you how quick you're scrolling |
18:41:20 | linuxstb_ | Ah, OK. So nothing that's in CVS rockbox then. |
18:41:29 | senab | no, it's a patch |
18:42:11 | senab | so with these shell scripts could i automize the compiling of all my builds? |
18:42:24 | senab | would 'make' work in a sh? |
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18:43:03 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
18:43:22 | linuxstb_ | Are you running linux, or something else unix-like? |
18:43:56 | senab | at the moment cygwin, but i've got ubuntu as a dual boot and i'm going to setup the cross compiler over the weekend |
18:44:17 | pondlife | Dammit, missed Paul_The_Nerd again!! |
18:45:34 | pondlife | Is there an Archos owner out there who fancies testing a little bug fix? If so, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5690 awaits your compiler... |
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18:45:58 | linuxstb_ | senab: The only slightly tricky bit would be the configure scripts. But something like: "(echo 13 ; echo N) | ../tools/configure" would work. |
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18:46:43 | senab | thanks |
18:46:52 | senab | would sh work in cygwin as a tester? |
18:46:57 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
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18:47:35 | senab | ok i'll start write a small tester now |
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18:52:47 | senab | linuxstb: can u comment shell files aswell? i'm guessing with # |
18:54:33 | filR | senab: yes, # for comments in (ba)sh files. |
18:55:23 | senab | thanks |
18:56:01 | filR | np. |
18:56:40 | senab | would you mind looking over this to see if its looks ok? http://kingshurst.digitalbrain.com/kingshurst/accounts/pupils/christopherba/web/Public/build.sh |
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18:58:29 | linuxstb | senab: I would write "make && make zip" - which means the zip file is only created if the make was successful. |
18:58:55 | senab | but other than that it should work? |
18:59:11 | linuxstb | Unless there's anything subtle that I've missed, yes. |
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19:00:06 | senab | thanks, it should save me a lot of time next time, i had to manually do 8 builds today, took me about an hour and waiting.... |
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19:16:56 | filR | this isn't really channel specific, but does anyone use flac (console/standalone binary) on intel macs? |
19:19:55 | linuxstb | No, but what's the problem? |
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19:24:39 | filR | well, i have found no universal binary, and i can't really get it to compile (haven't tried much more than downloaded source, ./configure, make though) |
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19:31:41 | dan_a | Aaargh... trying to use the coprocessor on the iPod makes my head hurt! |
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19:41:03 | linuxstb | filR: Try the CVS source - maybe it's been fixed since the last release. Also, maybe rarewares.org has a binary. |
19:41:53 | linuxstb | dan_a: How far have you got? |
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19:44:47 | aarond | forgot how the vorbis quality thing works, should I just set a bitrate instead? |
19:45:16 | filR | linuxstb: thanks for the tip, i will try it. |
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19:46:39 | aarond | I'll got with bitrate :) |
19:46:56 | Mikachu | i think doing that will give lower quality at the same bitrate |
19:47:20 | Mikachu | at least in theory |
19:47:49 | linuxstb | aarond: I think in general, with VBR codecs, it's best to give them a quality setting, rather than try to constraint the bitrate. |
19:48:10 | Mikachu | aarond: 3 usually gives around 110 |
19:48:31 | aarond | it alows vbr but lets you set a base bitrate I think |
19:48:56 | aarond | and its set as 3 by default, thats good? |
19:49:15 | Mikachu | i'm no quality freak, but i've never heard any artifacts at 3 |
19:49:26 | aarond | I'll give it a try |
19:50:19 | aarond | was having second thoughts about going ogg but I already converted to AAC and have the original flac so it doesnt matter :) |
19:51:03 | aarond | be nice if the AAC worked in rockbox, I though about converting to aiff then using itunes to convert to AAC |
19:51:05 | dan_a | linuxstb: I'm just trying to get to the point where I can call a C function ("cop_main()") when the COP is woken, but it doesn't seem to enter that function ever. |
19:51:09 | dan_a | brb |
19:51:31 | aarond | should I up one of my AAC files that rockbox doesnt like? |
19:51:59 | aarond | yesterday someone was saying something about testing a patch |
19:52:11 | aarond | I dont think Id be able to do that myself |
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19:53:37 | linuxstb | aarond: I'm collecting non-working AAC files, but have no immediately plans to do anything with them. |
19:54:06 | aarond | oh ok cool |
19:55:16 | aarond | I think its just this program, it has 2 mp4 in the list, one is movie and I tried that just now but when I found out it was movie I didnt bother loading it up to test |
19:55:39 | aarond | Im sure if I used itunes it would work |
19:56:04 | aarond | I wasnt wanting you to fix it, just trying to help by offering a test file |
19:57:51 | aarond | listened using flac last night and it kicked ass |
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20:22:33 | dan_a | linuxstb (or anyone else who has thought about it): What will have to be done at startup before the coprocessor can be used? |
20:24:15 | dan_a | Using common sense, I thought it was probably wait for the main processor to do the code relocation, set up some stack, set up interrupts and then I should be able to branch into main.c |
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20:28:10 | goffa | hmm.. rockbox support the gigabeat yet? |
20:28:49 | goffa | looks like it |
20:29:04 | markun | goffa: not yet |
20:29:33 | markun | we discuss our progress in #gigabeat |
20:29:59 | goffa | ok |
20:30:25 | goffa | i'm not short on players.. but ebay has a hell of a deal right now |
20:30:28 | goffa | $139 |
20:30:33 | goffa | 40gb |
20:31:00 | goffa | refub though |
20:31:03 | goffa | but that seams cheap |
20:33:37 | linuxstb | dan_a: I think you'll at least need to set up a stack. |
20:34:05 | linuxstb | (a separate stack for the COP) |
20:34:12 | dan_a | Do I need to do some definitions in app.lds or something? |
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20:39:00 | dan_a | My thinking at the moment is that once I can branch into main.c, I'll put a patch on Flyspray just to do that much, so that if anyone else wants to experiment with the COP it's a lot easier. |
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21:01:29 | dionoea | evening |
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21:02:01 | dionoea | dan_a: are you working on supporting dual core on the PP5020 ? |
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21:02:27 | dan_a | dionoea: I want to try to |
21:02:33 | dionoea | neat :) |
21:02:35 | Landus | Well. |
21:02:37 | Landus | That was gay. |
21:02:59 | Landus | Kept on getting a BSOD everytime I tried building todays source for Rockbox. |
21:03:00 | dionoea | dan_a: did you already do stuff like that before ? or just improvising ? |
21:03:07 | Landus | :( |
21:03:14 | dionoea | Landus: maybe your CPU is overheating |
21:03:19 | Landus | It wasn't that. |
21:03:27 | Landus | I finally figured it out after looking at the error codes. |
21:03:41 | Landus | It was the driver for the Tobisha harddrive in my Iriver. |
21:03:56 | dan_a | dionoea: I'm just improvising really. The first step will be useful to anyone else who tries, and that's just to make the thing boot. |
21:04:01 | Landus | For some reason, trying to get the Makefile by ../tools/configure made it crash. |
21:04:18 | dan_a | After that I'm going to try running the codec thread on it |
21:04:18 | dionoea | dan_a: if you need any help, i'm willing to improvise too :) |
21:04:28 | dan_a | :D |
21:04:33 | Landus | Unplugging my Iriver from my computer took care of the problem. |
21:04:37 | Landus | Bloody annoying, though. |
21:04:45 | dionoea | Landus: that's kind of weird |
21:04:57 | Landus | Yeah. |
21:05:14 | Landus | Dunno why it was crashing, but when I looked closer and saw it was a driver error. |
21:05:32 | Landus | I looked through the drivers running and saw the HD driver for my Iriver. |
21:05:36 | Landus | Unplugged it and volia. |
21:05:43 | Landus | No BSOD crashing my computer. |
21:05:51 | dionoea | do both cores run at the same clock speed ? |
21:06:15 | Landus | I dunno for my Iriver. |
21:06:24 | Landus | What it is. |
21:06:26 | Landus | So I can't say. |
21:06:38 | dionoea | hehe, that question was for dan_a :) |
21:06:44 | Landus | Oh. |
21:07:17 | dan_a | dionoea: I don't know. From what I've read, you can clock the COP slower than the main processor (if anyone works out how to do it) |
21:07:44 | dan_a | At the moment, I'm just trying to figure out what needs doing before you can branch into main.c |
21:09:19 | * | dionoea reads main.c |
21:09:19 | dan_a | Landus: That's the weirdest problem I've ever heard of! |
21:09:34 | Landus | Yeah. |
21:09:41 | Landus | Anyway. |
21:09:45 | Landus | Time to patch things. |
21:09:51 | dan_a | dionoea: main.c is where the main program starts from, but the processors are set up in crt0.S |
21:09:59 | Landus | Hopefully, this should fix the problem I'm having on my Iriver. |
21:10:04 | Landus | Some songs will skip. |
21:10:06 | Landus | Randomly. |
21:10:08 | dionoea | yeah, i looked at crt0.S the other day ... didn't understand much though |
21:10:09 | Landus | While others don't. |
21:10:22 | Landus | If I run the songs in the official firmware, they don't skip. |
21:10:34 | Landus | Ran a defrag and a scan disk on the Iriver. |
21:10:41 | Landus | Then put the songs back on. |
21:10:45 | Landus | Still didn't fix anything. |
21:12:07 | dan_a | dionoea: Do you have a copy of the ARM instruction set? http://www.security-protocols.com/resources/ARM/QRC0001H_rvct_v2.1_arm.pdf |
21:12:18 | * | dionoea printed those yesterday |
21:12:53 | * | dan_a gets confused with all the different addressing modes |
21:13:05 | dionoea | i also had a look at the ipodlinux.org page about pp5020 |
21:13:10 | dionoea | and that's about all i did :) |
21:14:51 | dionoea | dan_a: were do they define Addressing Mode 1 ? |
21:15:58 | dionoea | maybe it doesn't exist, i can't find any reference to it |
21:16:22 | dan_a | I don't think it does exist |
21:17:59 | dionoea | do you like init the CPU first, start the main thread, then init the COP and fork ? |
21:19:21 | dionoea | btw, does ipod linux use the COP or not ? |
21:20:09 | dan_a | I think that you init the CPUs at the same time, and put the COP to sleep once enough has been done on it with the next instruction for when it wakes up being something like "bl cop_main" to take it to a function called cop_main |
21:20:38 | dan_a | ipod linux uses the COP to service fast interrupts (FIQs) |
21:20:54 | Landus | Alright. |
21:21:01 | Landus | I really can't find the FAQ for this again. |
21:21:06 | linuxstb | I think their video player might also use it as well - and maybe other projects have played with it. |
21:21:07 | Landus | Once I make the source. |
21:21:11 | Landus | Apply patches. |
21:21:22 | Landus | Do I need to do anything else, or can I just 'make zip'? |
21:21:27 | dionoea | make fullzip |
21:23:08 | dan_a | linuxstb: What other projects are there? |
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21:25:25 | linuxstb | dan_a: I can't remember - I've just remember reading things in their forums about people experimenting with the COP. |
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21:26:21 | * | dan_a wishes he knew more |
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21:29:26 | dionoea | hum ... what do they call "Java state" on ARMs ? |
21:31:38 | dan_a | dionoea: I think that's a different set of instructions which we can ignore. |
21:32:03 | * | dan_a adds "writing embedded firmware for dummies" to his Amazon wishlist |
21:32:09 | dionoea | :D |
21:35:03 | dionoea | what do "exclusive addresses" refer to ? (some protection layer for things like mutexes ?) |
21:39:03 | dan_a | dionoea: It's in the section about semaphore operation, so I'd assume they are for semaphores! |
21:39:42 | dan_a | Anyway, it's Friday night where I am... time to go out! |
21:39:54 | dionoea | hehe |
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21:46:07 | Landus | Yay. |
21:46:17 | Landus | I think the firmware upgrade fixed this song skipping problem. |
21:48:21 | Landus | Uh-oh. |
21:48:27 | Landus | It's a setting problem. |
21:48:30 | Landus | I just reloaded my settings. |
21:48:37 | Landus | And the skipping came back. |
21:48:38 | Landus | : ( |
21:49:12 | dionoea | it only occurs with WPS which update often i think |
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21:49:21 | dionoea | like those with peak meters |
21:49:32 | dionoea | (or whatever they're called) |
21:49:33 | Landus | Well. |
21:49:39 | Landus | I've got two config files. |
21:49:44 | Landus | One that I saved today. |
21:49:48 | Landus | One I saved about a week ago. |
21:49:53 | Landus | I loaded the one from a week ago. |
21:49:57 | Landus | And the skipping is gone. |
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22:05:40 | midkay | it also occurs majorly with EQ and/or crossfeed on. |
22:06:01 | midkay | both combined, and you're likely to hear more silence than playback, I think. |
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22:17:05 | Landus | Is it possible to add Replaygain tags to Ogg Vorbis files that don't decrease or increase anything? |
22:17:26 | Landus | So the value is like 0.00 |
22:18:12 | Mikachu | ust add it and write 0 i guess? |
22:18:20 | Landus | How would I do it. |
22:18:30 | Landus | Wait. |
22:18:40 | Landus | It'd be over 1100 songs I'd have to do this too. |
22:19:15 | Mikachu | why though? |
22:19:53 | Mikachu | are you using linux? |
22:20:17 | * | linuxstb just made his first recording on an ipod |
22:20:30 | Bger | linuxstb: congrats! ;) |
22:20:38 | Mikachu | hooray! |
22:20:44 | Bger | w00t :P |
22:20:54 | Bger | linuxstb: working on ipod recording ? |
22:21:09 | linuxstb | Yep. |
22:21:17 | Bger | c00l |
22:21:33 | Mikachu | any idea if it might work on nanos? |
22:21:47 | linuxstb | No - I'm 99% sure there's no recording hardware in a nano. |
22:21:59 | Mikachu | okay, that is what i thiught too |
22:23:03 | linuxstb | I can make a quick Nano build if you want to test though. Just to satisfy our curiosity. |
22:23:47 | linuxstb | It's recording via the right-channel of the headphone jack - I'm using the original white earbuds as a mic :) |
22:24:22 | Mikachu | any chance it has a self destruct command at the same adress? |
22:24:34 | linuxstb | You know I can't guarantee that... |
22:24:52 | Mikachu | i'll give it a shot |
22:25:04 | linuxstb | Are you happy with a binary? |
22:25:15 | Mikachu | yeah |
22:25:51 | Landus | Mikachu: No. The Prevent Clipping option in Rockbox requires Replaygain tags for it to work. |
22:26:00 | linuxstb | OK, compiling now. Playback doesn't work in this build (the FIQ is hard-coded to record), so don't forget to revert to your own build. |
22:26:46 | Mikachu | it will have a Record entry in the menu? |
22:27:47 | linuxstb | Yes. As soon as you go into the recording screen, you should see the recording peakmeters go up and down. If not, then it's not working. |
22:27:56 | Mikachu | okay |
22:28:27 | linuxstb | The peakmeters work by analysing the PCM data read from the ADC - similar to the playback peakmeters. So if the peakmeters work, then it means the data is being read successfully. |
22:29:26 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-nanorec.zip |
22:30:08 | Bger | out of curiosity, what does this FIQ stand for ? :) |
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22:30:22 | linuxstb | Bg3r: Fast Interrupt - it's an ARM thing. |
22:30:38 | Mikachu | linuxstb: i already have normal cvs on for testing, is it okay to just replace rockbox.ipod? |
22:31:04 | linuxstb | Yes, should work. |
22:31:31 | Bger | linuxstb: ah, okay |
22:31:34 | Mikachu | explorer won't let you call a dir .rockbox so it's a bit of a hassle to rename the old one etc |
22:32:40 | Landus | Strange. |
22:33:03 | Landus | That one option that tells you if your going to wipe your dynamic playlist isn't working anymore. |
22:33:32 | Mikachu | linuxstb: how do i in fact work the screen? |
22:33:49 | Mikachu | the meters are moving a tiny bit |
22:33:53 | Mikachu | at the very left |
22:34:04 | Mikachu | but i only seem to be able to change the volume |
22:34:12 | linuxstb | What earbuds are you using? |
22:34:43 | Mikachu | the ipod ones |
22:35:00 | linuxstb | Tapping them on the desk causes my peakmeters to go to full. |
22:35:12 | linuxstb | So if that's not happening for you, I guess it's not working. |
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22:35:57 | linuxstb | None of the options in the screen do anything yet - apart from pressing SELECT to start/stop a recording. |
22:36:10 | linuxstb | I also forgot to define a QUIT key.... |
22:36:18 | Mikachu | i got some sort of funny static only |
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22:37:32 | linuxstb | Is the "fiq:" line being displayed on your screen (it should be the last line). |
22:38:31 | webguest26 | hi, is there any chance that the sudoku level generator patch could be committed, please http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5519 |
22:39:04 | Galois | yes the fiq: line shows up on nano |
22:39:21 | Mikachu | linuxstb: yeah it has some random number |
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22:40:36 | Mikachu | no maxing on tapping though |
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22:53:07 | dionoea | linuxstb: will your recording thing work on 5G ipods ? |
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23:00:33 | linuxstb | dionoea: No - this is specific to the 4gs at the moment. But I've got a 5g, and plan to try and get recording working on there as well. |
23:00:57 | Mikachu | would the number give you any info? |
23:00:58 | dionoea | that won't work through the headphone jack though ? |
23:02:58 | Bger | wow ... Rockbox WPS cover creator plugin for amarok |
23:03:49 | Bagder | haha |
23:04:51 | nudelyn | convert.exe -resize 100x100 {filepath$} cover.bmp |
23:04:51 | nudelyn | attrib +H cover.bmp |
23:04:53 | nudelyn | works for me :) |
23:04:54 | Mikachu | those crazy kders |
23:04:56 | Bger | and not only this, but it's in 'Most Downloads' on 17 position |
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23:05:33 | linuxstb | Mikachu: Not really. I'm assuming it's increasing if you're getting some kind of peakmeter displayed. |
23:05:57 | Mikachu | i think it was yeah |
23:06:13 | linuxstb | dionoea: We don't know yet - no-one's tried it. But it seems unlikely - the official recording hardware for the 5g attaches to the dock, not the headphone jack like earlier ipods. |
23:06:29 | Mikachu | but the recorded wav was probably not related to what happened with the earbuds |
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23:07:43 | Mikachu | no chance of line in pins in the dock on the nano i suppose |
23:07:46 | dionoea | how do i check if a file is in binary mode in CVS before commiting ? |
23:08:01 | Mikachu | try cvs status file |
23:08:03 | Bger | dionoea: how did u add it ? |
23:08:08 | dionoea | cvs add -kb |
23:09:07 | linuxstb | dionoea: Or look in CVS/Entries in the directory containing the file. |
23:09:33 | dionoea | thanks :) |
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23:19:21 | moixa | hi all. i am trying to build a bootloader.bin for integrating the dual boot patch for my (new! ;-) x5. however, the output file in my build directory does not have the COWON_X5_FW signature.. what am I missing? |
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23:23:11 | Bagder | hm, I'll check |
23:25:05 | moixa | just to make sure I am doing it correctly: 1. check out source 2. apply patch 3. mkdir build 4. configure; 12; b(ootloader) 4. make. that should be it, nah? |
23:25:56 | dionoea | hmmm ... could someone add me to the list of persons who can accept a task on flyspray? |
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23:26:43 | Bagder | dionoea: done |
23:27:06 | dionoea | thanks :) |
23:27:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | moixa: assuming between 3 and 4 you go into the build folder, yes. |
23:27:43 | Mikachu | linuxstb: it looks like plain cvs looks fine, i guess no one is really surprised |
23:27:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | moixa: You're patching an iPod Bootloader? |
23:27:58 | moixa | x5 |
23:28:08 | dionoea | Bagder: is there any plan to remove the really old tasks ? |
23:28:30 | Bagder | we should, yes |
23:28:31 | moixa | Paul_The_Nerd: but i am using the mkboot-x5 from task 5289 |
23:28:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | moixa: Aren't there precompiled X5 bootloaders? |
23:29:53 | linuxstb | Mikachu: What do you mean? ("it looks like plain cvs looks fine") |
23:29:54 | Bagder | moixa: you need to run tools/scramble on the bootloader.bin file |
23:29:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I mean, even with that patch, I thought the only think you needed to compile was the mkboot |
23:29:57 | Bagder | iirc |
23:30:23 | Bagder | thinking about it, one can wonder why the build doesn't do that |
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23:31:41 | moixa | badger: yes, one might.. ;-) |
23:31:55 | dionoea | Bagder: if i wan't to begin closing old tasks, should i like flag them and ask someone to review ? |
23:32:21 | dionoea | (i'd only do that for things which obviously don't apply to rockbox anymore) |
23:32:44 | Bagder | if they truly are *really old* you can close them by your own judgement |
23:32:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | dionoea: I think the rule is "Trust yourself" in general. |
23:33:09 | dionoea | ok |
23:33:14 | Bagder | we |
23:33:25 | moixa | Paul_The_Nerd: you have to patch the original firmware to incorporate the dual booting |
23:33:26 | Bagder | 'll come running with sticks when we think you did wrong! ;-) |
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23:33:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | moixa: Yeah, but isn't that what mkboot is for? |
23:34:00 | Rincewind | hi |
23:34:07 | Bagder | Paul_The_Nerd: the x5 dual-boot is not yet in CVS |
23:34:20 | dionoea | Bagder: hehe :) |
23:34:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bagder: Yeah, but I thought that the .bin file was available, and you use a modified mkboot to merge it with the official firmware image? |
23:34:43 | Bagder | no, its an alternative mkboot rather |
23:35:01 | Bagder | I've tried hard to make raenye use mkboot for it |
23:36:45 | moixa | badger: i see why he did not want to btw. its quite a difference between them. but anyway, sooner or later everything will have to be converged. |
23:36:53 | Bagder | well |
23:37:00 | Bagder | I want _one_ tool that does the magic |
23:37:04 | Bagder | no matter what platform |
23:37:08 | moixa | clear. |
23:37:22 | moixa | for being in cvs i would set that standard as well. |
23:37:38 | Bagder | if even mkboot could invoke the x5-mkboot |
23:37:39 | nls | I played around with the -O settings on Tremor for the h300 ad got the following results (if anyone is interested): -O0 and -O3 didn't fit IRAM O1 about 40% boost -O2(currently used in cvs) 28% boost -Os 28% boost but 6kb smaller vorbis.codec file. |
23:37:43 | moixa | will mkboot stay as it is now or will you use a different process later on? |
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23:38:25 | Bagder | moixa: mkboot is the tool for doing dual-boot patching for irivers and it is likely to remain |
23:39:52 | Rincewind | Is someone here who helped programming tagcache? |
23:39:53 | moixa | badger: the thingie still doesnt work. why is he checking for tst.b 30000000 as bootloader start anyway? |
23:41:32 | Bagder | I don't remember many details on that, I haven't digged around in those areas for many months |
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23:52:41 | Mikachu | hm, is file.c not supposed to compile with DIRCACHE and MULTIVOLUME? |
23:52:46 | Mikachu | fat_open(IF_MV2(unsupported at the moment,) |
23:53:08 | Mikachu | common/file.c:118: error: 'unsupported' undeclared (first use in this function) |
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23:57:53 | Mikachu | it is possible i just missed something, i'll disable MV for now |