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#rockbox log for 2006-07-28

00:00:14barrywardellwhen I try to access it in any way. eg. when i fun mkfs, or fdisk
00:00:29barrywardellup until then, it is ok
00:00:32Bagderthat sounds seriously screwed
00:01:16dionoeado they provide a recovery mode ?
00:01:18amiconnDoes that only happen with th H10, or maybe also other UMS devices?
00:01:41barrywardellit's the recovery mode that i'm trying
00:01:44*amiconn remembers a few people talking about linux' USB system acting up
00:02:05Bagderin the sansa's recovery mode, it comes up paritionless
00:02:06dionoeai rmmod ehci_usb before plugin my ipod to my laptop
00:02:12Bagderand I need to mount the "root" device
00:02:16barrywardellamiconn: i've just tried it on linux, macos and windows 2000
00:02:44Bagderie, not mount sda1 as usual but plain sda
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00:07:12barrywardellwhenever I try to access sda at all it seems to reset the usb connection
00:07:44webguest38Hello again, there was a forum post earlier about contrast issues on the latest build - I'm still experiencing the problem even though someone said they'd fixed it, any ideas?
00:08:01dionoeabarrywardell: that happens every time if i keep ehci_hcd loaded in linux. Don't know if that helps though
00:10:06Bagderand as amiconn asked, does other UMS devices still work?
00:11:31barrywardellnot sure. don't have any other UMS devices with me
00:11:42barrywardellbut I have tried it on 3 different computers
00:12:07dionoeamaybe the batteries are too low
00:12:11dionoea(just guessing)
00:13:07barrywardellit's a possibility, but I don't think so
00:13:13barrywardellit charges by usb
00:14:20barrywardellthis is very frustrating
00:14:21dionoeathe archos recorder used to discharge when the disk was spining even if you had the power cord plugged in
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00:16:12barrywardelli suppose i could just leave it to charge for a while
00:17:27barrywardellnormally a "low battery" warning comes up though
00:18:09dionoeadid you do anything special like try a new hacked firmware ? :)
00:18:53barrywardellit was definitely my own fault. I was using a modified Rockbox bootloader
00:19:25barrywardellit wasn't really anything I hadn't done several times before though
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00:23:27maquisi'm having trouble getting out of some of the included plugins without turning off the entire player? is there something i'm missing? I tried holding down buttons, but it didn't seem to help
00:25:58*barrywardell checks his warranty and finds it runs out on the 30th of July
00:26:07dionoeamaquis: what player do you have ?
00:26:19maquisdionoea: i've got a 1st gen. ipod mini
00:26:38dionoeatry stuff like holding menu or select+menu
00:26:54maquismenu was what i was trying first
00:26:54dionoea(at least that's how i do it on the ipod video)
00:26:58maquisit worked on a few...
00:27:02maquisselect worked on some others
00:27:06dionoeasome need the combo
00:27:22maquisok.. i'll try the combo
00:27:58maquisdionoea: looks like that was the problem..... :) thanks!
00:28:05dionoeayou're welcome :)
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00:39:17dionoea'night
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00:51:00BockBilbohello
00:51:20BockBilboany of you listens to your rockbox device on your car'
00:51:21BockBilbo?
00:53:02 Nick LandusMikain is now known as Landus (i=Landus@70-100-181-192.dsl1-erie.roc.ny.frontiernet.net)
00:53:05filRjup.
00:53:08filRme for example.
00:54:32LandusUh.
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00:54:45LandusI found a few songs that started skipping on my h3x0.
00:54:55LandusIs it a disk problem?
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01:05:44BockBilbofilR, and how do you do to listen to it?
01:06:02BockBilbodoes your car player have a line input?
01:06:08filRBockBilbo: luckily my car (radio) has an aux input.
01:06:09filRyes.
01:06:11BockBilboor u use any kind of special device?
01:06:13k8toLandus: if you load on another copy of the same songs, do they skip also, do different newly loaded songs not skip?
01:06:13*Bagder uses a cassette-adapter
01:06:13BockBilboohh
01:06:19BockBilboi hope mine has too
01:06:29filRbut it is normally very simple to add a line in to most radios.
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01:06:43BockBilboi could get an ipod addapter, but costs like 220 euros
01:06:44filRanother option is a cassette adapter or fm tuner.
01:06:47BockBilbowhich is A LOT
01:06:49BockBilboyeah
01:06:55filR220 euros? oO
01:06:59BockBilboi know.. mine doesnt have a cassette adapter
01:07:18filRwell, fm transmitters are illegal here in austria. but you can get them on ebay rather cheap.
01:07:18BockBilboi was thinking on getting a fm tuner, but not sure if the quality would be good enough
01:07:45Bagderfm transmit is the worst quality solution but decent enough for in-car use imho
01:08:03filRimo also. after all .. it is a car.
01:08:06BockBilboi know Bagder... on my old car i used the cassette solution
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01:08:21filRand unless you get a fancy audio a8 with 20 speakers .. why bother with audio quality? :D
01:08:25k8towhen are car stereos going to start featuring line-in? :~(
01:08:30BockBilboim going to ask if i can add a input cable to the car player
01:08:36BockBilboxD
01:08:39filRk8to: my new honda jazz has a line in. :)
01:08:43Bagderk8to: they do these days
01:08:51k8tooh, fancypants
01:08:52BockBilboi have a brand new golf with 8 speakes, which isnt that bad either
01:08:54BockBilbo:)
01:09:01filRthe reason i bought an ipod (and put rockbox on it).
01:09:02k8toi have yet to encounter such
01:09:09filRBockBilbo: nice.
01:09:24BockBilbo:)
01:09:38BockBilbois it possible to build an adapter for the ipod manually?
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01:10:19BockBilbobecause i bet the official vw addapter is just a cable that on real conditions should cost just like 3 euros or so
01:10:38filRi would try adding a line in cable to the (back of the) radio. if you don't feel like doing it yourself, i would ask at the auto shop.
01:10:45filRnormally it is rather easy and inexpensive. :)
01:11:05BockBilboperhaps the guy that has sell me the car is a good friend of my mother
01:11:08filRthe golf does have default sized radios, right?
01:11:20BockBilbommm not sure
01:11:25BockBilbothe radio i have is wierd
01:11:28filR:)
01:11:34BockBilbois like double size high
01:11:43filRmy car sadly also has a weird sized proprietary radio. :(
01:11:58BockBilbobut has an input!
01:12:02BockBilboyou are lucky
01:12:08filRyes, yes i am. :D
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01:12:30BockBilboso, if the guy says that i have no line in option, should i get an fm adapter?
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01:12:55filRi really couldn't tell you. i am hardly a car audio expert.
01:13:06filRbut you could try google'ing for a solution.
01:13:19filRthere are a surprising amount of auto forums on the net.
01:13:22BockBilboive tried, but found nothing
01:13:26BockBilboyeah
01:13:29BockBilboplenty of them
01:13:39filRnow i know exactly what the maximum speed of my car is. ;)
01:13:54BockBilbohaha
01:15:01BockBilbothanks filR :)
01:15:14BockBilboill take note of what you've said
01:15:18BockBilboi gotta go to sleep
01:15:20BockBilbognite to all
01:15:23filRnp.
01:15:28filRgood night BockBilbo.
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01:23:52amiconnWarrrghh!
01:25:15*amiconn wants the x5 sim to compile, but gui/color_picker.c gets in the way :(
01:25:32amiconngui/color_picker.c:267: error: `SLIDER_RC_OK' undeclared (first use in this function)
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01:30:38*barrywardell_ gives up for tonight
01:31:11filRgute night barrywardell_
01:31:14filR-e
01:31:20filRdamn german. ignore me.
01:31:25barrywardell_byr
01:31:41barrywardell_i mean bye
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02:21:48task0hi
02:22:00task0i need a little support here
02:24:11*JdGordon forces his way to be ahead of the pack to help
02:24:51midkayhaha.
02:24:59task0i already have the rockbox-ipodnano-20060727.zip
02:25:03task0now... ? :'/
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02:25:23Paul_The_NerdSo your question is...?
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02:25:31JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort
02:25:41Paul_The_NerdCan we safely assume then that you haven't read the install directions?
02:25:45task0how do i install rockbox-ipodnano-20060727.zip to mi ipod nano
02:25:49Paul_The_NerdJdGordon: He needs IpodPort, or more specifically IpodInstallation
02:26:01Paul_The_NerdOr at the very least, simply read the manual
02:26:15JdGordonhehe, woops, im still half aslweep obviously
02:26:18k8towhen i read the manual recently, it seemed to make sense
02:26:39k8tothere was a nice chapter about installation
02:26:51Paul_The_NerdWe try to keep the manual useful, yeah. :)
02:27:04k8tomy complements to the authors
02:27:08Paul_The_NerdThere's a few really dedicated guys who've done a ton of work on it.
02:27:46k8totask0: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
02:27:49task0are daily buid ok, or should wait for a final rls?
02:27:53k8totask0: is one set of information
02:28:07k8totask0: although i have read that the manual is more up to date (for some reason?)
02:28:22midkayprobably easier to read..
02:28:45midkaydivided more clearly into sections and device-specific as well as clear sections of "code" versus plaintext.
02:29:29Paul_The_Nerdk8to: The manual isn't really more up to date necessarily. But you get installation instructions specific for your device, so there's less likelihood of confusion from the "If you have iPod5G, do this extra step too" and stuff.
02:29:35Paul_The_NerdAs midkay said
02:29:50Paul_The_Nerdtask0: If you want to wait for a final release for iPod, it's going to be a long while yet.
02:30:02task0:(
02:30:18midkayaka - daily builds are the only thing available and they work fine. or usually do.
02:30:24task0is there eny recomndable build?
02:30:34midkaythe latest daily.
02:30:39task0:D
02:30:41task0ok
02:30:48Paul_The_NerdDaily or CVS
02:30:59Paul_The_NerdStatistically speaking, a CVS build should be as stable as a daily.
02:31:18task0is the WORST thing that could happen is, loose all mi music and have to resptores using apple restore?
02:31:23midkaywho let the build table go to hell? :)
02:31:35Paul_The_Nerdtask0: Actually, as long as you do things the right way it can't even get that bad.
02:32:07Paul_The_Nerdtask0: Follow the steps carefully, and keep the bootpartition.bin file that you originally extract, and the worst thing that can happen is that you decide you don't like it and uninstall, or can't get it working and uninstall.
02:32:47task0uninstall = use apple restore?
02:33:24Paul_The_NerdNope
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02:33:41k8tois apple restore ever a damaging operation?
02:33:42Paul_The_NerdYou should never need to use apple restore, so long as you keep the bootpartition.bin file around
02:33:56task0if that goes wrong?
02:34:04Paul_The_NerdIf what goes wrong?
02:34:16task0the original bootpartition.bin
02:34:20Paul_The_Nerdk8to: Apple Restore destroys the contents of your disk. It's a full reformat. I consider that *always* damaging
02:34:30Paul_The_Nerdtask0: A noun can't go wrong...
02:34:39task0lol
02:34:40task0wel
02:34:49k8tohmm
02:34:50k8tookay
02:34:52task0i mean if i fuckd up the booting
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02:35:08Paul_The_NerdI still don't quite get what you're asking.
02:35:30task0worst case scenario
02:35:49dwihnoworst case, you break the boot partition and need to restore it using the apple thing
02:35:52Paul_The_NerdAs I said, as long as you follow our instructions, the worst case scenario is you have to write bootpartition.bin back.
02:36:05midkayconflicting messages! :o
02:36:14dwihnowell, either way works
02:36:27Paul_The_NerdIf you for some stupid reason delete the file, or it somehow becomes corrupt on your disk, THEN you have to restore, but this almost requires hardware failure or you choosing to delete it.
02:36:38midkayapple restore = wipe disk. restore bootpartition = uninstall rockbox.
02:36:40midkayquite different. :)
02:36:48Paul_The_NerdHardware failure is always a worst case scenario, but not one we should ever bother with.
02:36:59Paul_The_NerdI mean, your iPod could randomly melt. Not something we can take steps to prevent.
02:37:03midkayPaul_The_Nerd: can't you just go back to the updater and "update" to erase Rockbox?
02:37:16Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: You can only update if your Apple firmware version isn't current.
02:37:26midkaymight need to use iPodWizard to trick the updater into thinking your firmware version isn't current, so..
02:37:29Paul_The_NerdIf it is current, you have to use external tools to change the version string, or something
02:37:44Paul_The_NerdIt's a LOT easier just to "ipodpatcher -w 1 bootpartition.bin" and be done with it.
02:37:46midkayright, but restoring isn't necessary in such a case. optional.
02:38:06midkayright, but "If you for some stupid reason delete the file, or it somehow becomes corrupt on your disk, THEN you have to restore, but this almost requires hardware failure or you choosing to delete it." - or, use iPodWizard to fool the updater and just update.
02:38:14midkayjust hope that's clear, restoring isn't necessary in such a state.
02:38:19Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: True, but if you're using ipodwizard you can also extract the bootpartition from it, I believe.
02:38:30midkayhm? not afaik..
02:38:36midkayfrom "it"?
02:38:49Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Using Ipodwizard you can get an apple firmware image for your player from the updater.
02:39:04midkayindeed? i've never seen such an option.
02:39:13Paul_The_NerdThis is what I've been told, by many people
02:39:22Paul_The_NerdMaybe not iPodWizard. There's *some* tool to extract it.
02:39:44Paul_The_NerdAnyway, the real issue is: If you bork up the contents of your boot partition, there may not be a recognizable firmware there for the Apple tool to upgrade.
02:40:04Paul_The_NerdBut if you have the bootpartition.bin file, as long as the partition table still exists, you can dd or ipodpatcher it back into place.
02:40:31midkayhm.. either way, anyways. restoring may not be necessary even in the "worst-case" scenario.
02:41:11Paul_The_NerdRestoring should never be necessary unless you've like, deleted the partitions on your disk.
02:41:21Paul_The_NerdAt which point you've essentially already lost the files.
02:41:25midkay.. thus, the worst case scenario. :)
02:41:43amiconnKeeping the mbr somewhere even helps when the partition table was trashed
02:41:49task0ok, but restoring wil ALLWAYS repair eny thing i do with firmeware, boot loader, files, partitons, etc??
02:41:53amiconn...or should help
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02:42:32Paul_The_Nerdtask0: There is nothing that is done in relation to Rockbox and the iPod that the restore tool cannot undo.
02:42:54task0in simple english?
02:43:10scorche"yes" =)
02:43:12Paul_The_NerdWell, I can't answer yes to your question.
02:43:22task0:S
02:43:27scorchelol
02:43:42Paul_The_NerdBecause there's plenty of things YOU could do to the firmware that the Restore Tool can't deal with.
02:43:43task0like?
02:44:01Paul_The_NerdIf you ever managed to figure out how to flash a replacement image removing the emergency disk mode, for example.
02:44:13Paul_The_NerdThese are things that you would have to probably put in some programming effort to achieve.
02:44:34midkayhave WE even discovered that yet? :)
02:44:35Paul_The_NerdBut I can't in good conscience lie to you and say it's physically impossible for you to harm your iPod beyond the ability of restore to save it.
02:44:47task0ok, dount count that
02:44:47Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Nope.
02:44:58Paul_The_Nerdtask0: But, as I said, there is nothing that is done in relation to Rockbox on the iPod that restore can't fix.
02:45:03midkayso it's more likely to vanish in thin air and reappear in tokyo six days later.
02:45:04Paul_The_NerdI think that's pretty plain English.
02:45:13task0midkay: lol
02:45:20task0ok
02:45:29task0that is ok
02:45:32midkay.. while you're listening to it.
02:45:41midkay... and the music will play on whilst it's not there.
02:45:48midkayso. yeah.
02:45:52midkayi hope that's pretty clear as well.
02:46:03task0it's magic
02:46:09midkayyeah!!
02:46:13midkaynow you've got it.
02:46:21midkay:D
02:46:21task0:D:D
02:47:29task0something i noticied
02:47:38task0i have an unnalocated part of the dis
02:47:40task0disk
02:47:42task0is that normal?
02:47:59midkayyep, that's the appleOS firmware partition thing.
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02:49:31qwmcoughing is great.
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02:52:48BigMachi all
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02:53:27Rosethornnhi...
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02:54:00BigMac...ih
02:54:26Rosethornnhello?
02:54:40Rosethornnah, it's still loading. *sigh*
02:55:03BigMacwhats still loading
02:55:53RosethornnI'm having trouble installing Rockbox onto my 4gen iPod in Windows XP
02:56:00Rosethornnark, this is lagging.
02:56:06BigMacok what are you having trouble with?
02:57:01Rosethornnsorry guys, this webIRC thing is really lagging.
02:57:23Rosethornnbut it refreshes every time I type.. O.o how odd.
02:57:28Rosethornn_
02:57:29Rosethornn_
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02:57:33Rosethornn_
02:57:35Rosethornn_
02:57:36***Alert Mode level 1
02:57:36Rosethornn_
02:57:43RosethornnI'll try gaim again.. hang on.
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02:59:39Rosethornnah, success
02:59:42FebsBigMac: Please stop posting useless messages in the forum.
03:00
03:00:02Rosethornnnow I can access IRC properly
03:00:18RosethornnI'm having trouble installing Rockbox for my 4g iPod, in XP.
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03:01:20scorcheand those troubles would be....?
03:01:22midkayRosethornn: we can't help until you tell us what's wrong exactly.
03:01:27midkaydamn you scorche.
03:01:34midkaymy message was longer and more detailed.
03:01:35midkayi win.
03:01:40Rosethornnin step 5 of http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation#Installation_instructions, my command box protests that ' 'ipod_fw' is not a recognised internal or external command, operable batch file, or program.'
03:01:41scorchenay i say
03:01:53Rosethornn(sorry midkay, I was typing out that stuff when you posted that)
03:02:06CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
03:02:06*scorche gets ignored...midkay wins =(
03:02:12Rosethornnhehe
03:02:14midkayscorche: go run into the corner and hide as usual.
03:02:16midkayRosethornn: my bad. :D
03:02:20Rosethornn:)
03:02:27midkayis ipod_fw.exe in the folder?
03:02:30Rosethornnwell if either of you could help, I'd appreciate it
03:02:42Rosethornnin C:\rockbox?
03:02:44Rosethornnno
03:02:49midkaydownload it there.
03:03:19*scorche goes into the corner and hides after his crushing defeat
03:03:20BigMacFebs: sorry, i was trying to help out while i couldn't get on chat...
03:03:40Rosethornnahh, I didn't see that step (it's 2am :P)
03:03:42Rosethornnthanks
03:04:04Rosethornndoes Doom work on greyscale? O.o
03:04:42BigMaci believe so
03:04:44midkayum. what model?
03:04:48midkayi think it does for H100s.
03:04:49FebsBigMac: Helping is fine, but you don't need to bump every thread in the forum.
03:05:01Rosethornnh...?
03:05:12midkayiriver H100? what model have you got?
03:05:19RosethornniPod G4
03:05:25midkayah. might work. not sure..
03:05:34Rosethornnmehf
03:05:41Rosethornnif not Puzzle Bobble is more than adequate. :>
03:05:57BigMacFebs: didn't mean to man, i was just looking at the threads that i had anything i'd like to say. I'm sorry if i was wrong
03:06:57scorcheholy BigMac posts...
03:07:01BigMac[appologetic]Won't happen again[/appologetic]
03:07:07BigMaci got bored
03:07:12BigMacand couldn't get on chat
03:07:15midkaybored. haha.
03:07:19BigMacso i checked out the forums
03:07:37***Alert Mode OFF
03:08:03scorcheand why dont you put "Keep ROCKing on!" in your sig so you dont write it everytime...
03:08:10Rosethornnhee. I feel so powerful when I do things I don't understand in the Command Box. :D :P
03:08:19BigMaci just finished watching my ipod video on my tv. that wigged me out so much i had to sit down, an that led to posting
03:08:39Rosethornnum
03:08:41BigMacscorche: because all the kool kats on the forum always saying something at the bottom of there posts
03:08:42midkayhaha Rosethornn.
03:08:50Rosethornn:)
03:08:54scorcheBigMac: om...no
03:08:59BigMacJulius always says cheers
03:09:10*scorche sighs and moves on
03:09:11BigMacand i couldn't think of anything else cool to say
03:09:21Rosethornnit's doing things it shouldn't! I feel so proud!
03:09:27BigMaci tried others but like that best
03:09:36Rosethornnum
03:09:45Rosethornnis it meant to look and work exactly like it normally does?
03:10:06Rosethornnahh, nm
03:10:20*Rosethornn whacks herself on the head "must. read. faq. first."
03:10:42scorcheit helps =)
03:11:33Rosethornn:D
03:11:36*BigMac has to do some laundry to prepare for my voyage tomorrow
03:12:13Rosethornnhow much space on my 'pod is this gonna take up? the same amount as the zip/contents?
03:12:59maquisok... i'm lost... i'm trying to find a manual someplace that will give me some information on how to do some specific things... i thought that the "party mode" was what i wanted, but i can't get it to work...
03:13:21maquisi keep finding the faq, and some lists of specific information, but not what i'm looking for
03:13:28FebsDid you try clicking the "documentation" link on the website?
03:13:30maquis(sorry if this is a stupid question)
03:13:33BigMacmarquis:look under daily builds
03:13:42BigMacthen under your model should be the manual
03:13:43maquisFebs: that's where i'v ebeen looking...
03:13:51maquisBigMac: i'll check there...
03:13:52maquisthanks
03:13:58BigMacnp:D
03:14:02FebsThe very first link under documentation is the Rockbox manual
03:14:27Febshttp://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
03:14:58maquisFebs: maybe i'm missing it, but i didn't see any info on what i was looking for there
03:16:24BigMacmaquis: what model are you using?
03:16:36maquisipod mini 1g
03:16:45maquis(1g == 1st generration)
03:16:53BigMachttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g-20060727.pdf
03:16:57BigMacright there
03:17:01maquisBigMac: i've got that...
03:17:03BigMacshould cover party mode
03:17:11maquisnow i'm just trying to see if it explains what i'm looking for :)
03:17:20FebsWell, what are you looking for?
03:18:07scorcheBigMac: you remind me of the people that would reply to every thread in the forum to say something....even if it is something like "i dont know, sorry" =P
03:18:08maquisi'm trying to figure out what the party mode is...
03:18:43maquisfound it
03:19:03BigMacscorche: you seem like the kind of guy who would neverendingly nag on a guy who was just trying to help:-x
03:19:07Rosethornnyay! :'D it works
03:19:14Rosethornnnow how do I stick my music back on it?
03:19:20scorcheBigMac: naw...i impose soem limits ;)
03:19:27maquisthx all
03:19:38*BigMac seriously has to go do laundry
03:19:49Rosethornncya BigMac
03:21:50Rosethornndo I just move my 'Music' folder to my ipod? I read something that said WinAmp (which I have) can put things on rockbox..
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03:22:14BigMack back
03:22:22Rosethornnwb
03:22:31safetydanFebs, have you seen the message board spam?
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03:23:12BigMacgotta love how fast you run when your running back up to your apartment in your boxers because you waited to do laundry till the only clothes you had left were the ones your wearing:D
03:23:33Febssafetydan, already gone and the spammer banned. Two minutes from his first post.
03:23:46BigMacsafetydan: most of that spam is from me
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03:24:02FebsNo, he's talking about actual spam.
03:24:04safetydanBigMac, I don't think so, unless you've been advertising ceramics
03:24:04midkay"I prefer .ape but thats just me i guess."...
03:24:05BigMacFebs: im banned for trying to help?
03:24:09midkay:E
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03:24:23BigMacmidkay, they were talking about compression
03:24:31BigMacor what replicates cd
03:24:34scorchemidkay: am i allowed to giggle at this situation?
03:24:37BigMacand i was suggesting ape
03:24:38midkayBigMac: might wanna try to keep it useful/on-topic.. comments on personal preferences might be best left out of "i need help' threads especially when containing no helpful content.
03:25:03BigMacsuggesting ape was me trying to be helpful man
03:25:18scorcheBigMac: and you didnt suggest why?
03:25:22FebsWasn't it just last night that BigMac was asking questions here about lossy formats?
03:25:26BigMaci did
03:25:31BigMacno one said ape
03:25:32midkay"is this comparable quality?" "well i prefer APE".
03:25:35BigMacso i said ape
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03:25:40Febs(and saying that he has like one CD?)
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03:26:07BigMacand no one else HAD SAID IT SO I SAID I GUESS ITS ONLY ME
03:26:08*scorche doesnt wait for midkay's approval and giggles anyway
03:26:10BigMacwoops
03:26:14midkayhaha.
03:26:16BigMaccaps loock
03:26:28BigMacFebs: i rips songs for my friends
03:26:33BigMaci have about zero cds
03:26:45scorcheno one else said it because it was a whole different topic...
03:28:50BigMacoff topic, anyone here like to watch the loop or house
03:28:57BigMac*house md
03:29:30scorchethat was off topic?...i wouldnt have known if you hadnt said "off topic," =P
03:29:45JdGordonBigMac: house kicks ass :D
03:30:17RosethornnO_O
03:30:26Rosethornnhow do I get out of text_editor? There's no doocumentation
03:30:29Rosethornn><
03:30:33JdGordonoff
03:30:36BigMacscorche: why are you always sarcastic man? i was just saying that so paul the nerd wouldn't log on and say thats off topic
03:30:51Rosethornnthere is no off on an iPod
03:30:53BigMacJdGordon: i have every episode on my ipod:-)
03:31:10Rosethornnahh
03:31:11BigMacRosethornn: did you just get the ipod
03:31:15Rosethornnrestart combo
03:31:18Rosethornnno
03:31:20midkayscorche: lucky he said that or i would have thought he was contributing something to the.. *rockbox*.. channel!!
03:31:29scorcheindeed!
03:34:06scorche−−-> Paul_The_Nerd has joined #rockbox
03:34:12scorche<Paul_The_Nerd> BigMac: That's off topic.
03:34:18scorche<−−- Paul_The_Nerd has left #rockbox
03:34:26JdGordonBigMac: tisk tisk.. legally of course right?? :D
03:35:22BigMacJdGordon: but of course i bought the first season, and i believe i legally deserve season two buy watching all those episodes:-)
03:35:36BigMacscorche: see what i mean:-)
03:35:54scorcheBigMac: about?
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03:38:45BigMacscorche: paul can swoop in at anytime:-) a man has to be on his toes
03:39:01scorche...
03:40:57Rosethornnjeezm this thing sure runs down fast.
03:41:20RosethornnI've had it running about 20mins and it's already gone down a little.
03:41:27Rosethornnwithout playing any music. O.o
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03:44:23Rosethornnhumm. In the FAQ it doesn't state any way that Rockbox tells you when the Tagchache is ready. :/ I'll give it a while and keep checking the playlists, I guess.
03:44:30RosethornnTagcache*
03:45:48BigMacis their anyway for shuffle to work outside of a folder
03:46:19Rosethornnnope
03:46:26BigMaclike instead of just playing I:alal/kfd/gfl play all of alal
03:46:32BigMacthat sucks
03:46:38scorcheBigMac: you can
03:46:40BigMacthen i back to making m3u
03:46:43BigMachow?
03:46:52scorcherecursively insert everything into the playlist...
03:46:57scorchewell..each folder
03:47:07Rosethornnahh, misinterpereted the question, sorry BM
03:47:07BigMacheh
03:47:16BigMacim good ill just stick to playlists
03:47:25BigMacRosethornn: its ok:-)
03:47:40scorcheit makes a playlist...
03:47:57BigMacyah but then i have to drag each file correct?
03:48:12scorchedrag?
03:48:19scorcheuh....
03:48:27scorcheare we not talking about rockbox here?
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03:48:52BigMacwe are
03:48:59BigMaci make playlists on my computer
03:49:04BigMaceasier for me
03:49:54scorcheso were we talking about making playlists n the computer or making playlists on rockbox?
03:50:08*maquis tries to figure out how to get back to the wps screen after adding some things with the queue
03:50:24scorchemaquis: target?
03:50:34scorcheas in device
03:50:53maquisscorche: ipod mini
03:51:05*maquis is brand new here... just installed this morning
03:51:19BigMaccomputer
03:51:25BigMacpress play
03:51:27BigMacor menu
03:51:46BigMaceither of them work
03:51:59maquisBigMac: i wasn't having any luck with menu, but play got it
03:52:00maquisthanks
03:52:09BigMacmaquis: np
03:52:13Rosethornngah, this Initialize Now is taking aaaaages
03:52:13scorcheBigMac: well....if you are not talking about making them within rockbox on #rockbox...please say so beforehand as to prevent confusion...
03:52:46BigMaci wasnt talking about playlists you suggested playlists
03:52:50BigMaci was talking about
03:52:53BigMacshuffle
03:53:02FebsThen you were talking about playlists.
03:53:06BigMacwhich is perfectly legit to talk about in 3rockbox
03:53:18FebsWhat do you think gets shuffled?
03:53:18scorcheRosethornn: it is done when the disk stops accessing
03:53:25Rosethornnhow will I know that?
03:53:46BigMacso im supposed to say i use my pc to make playlists when i enter the chat, just in case someone propisitions the idea
03:53:48*Rosethornn holds her iPod up to her ear and shakes it.
03:53:58scorcheRosethornn: there is an icon on the status bar
03:54:05Rosethornnthe disc-y one, I presume?
03:54:16Rosethornnit stopped ages ago, but I still can't access tracks by Artist, etc
03:54:33Rosethornnit says "TagCache not ready"
03:54:43FebsBigMac, why would anyone assume that you are using your computer to make playlists, when this is the #rockbox channel?
03:55:04RosethornnFebs, you do need a PC to configure a large amount of rockbox
03:55:21FebsTo install it, sure, but not to make playlists.
03:55:35Rosethornnit's an option, isn't it?
03:55:52Rosethornn(how do I make the Tagcache "ready"?)
03:56:01FebsRosethornn, initialize it.
03:56:05Rosethornnjust did
03:56:13FebsReboot.
03:56:13Rosethornn"Initialize now"
03:56:23Rosethornndoes so
03:56:23BigMacFebs: he didn't ask me what i used to make playlists
03:56:36BigMac\he said i could put all my music into a playlist
03:56:36Rosethornnahh, ty
03:56:54BigMacand i told that would be hard having to drag and drop each individual track
03:56:58scorcheBigMac: because this is #rockbox after all...
03:57:03Rosethornnerf
03:57:09FebsBigMac, did you not ask how to shuffle outside a folder?
03:57:12Rosethornnit just shows the iTunes scrambled folders
03:57:17scorcheand in rockbox, there is no dragging...which was the "wtf point" so to speak...
03:57:26Rosethornn"F00" "F01" "F02" "F03" etc
03:57:33FebsHold menu button −−> Show files −−> ID3 database
03:57:55Rosethornnty
03:58:06BigMacwell why should i have said i use a pc to make playlist when you suggested the idea of putting all music in a playlist?
03:58:31*Febs bangs his head against a brick wall.
03:58:56BigMaci appreciate the idea
03:59:10BigMacbut it would not be worthwhile for me
03:59:19FebsRosethornn, FYI, I actually wrote a section for the manual last night on how to initialize the Tag Cache. It will be in the July 28 manual daily build.
03:59:47Rosethornnooh, neat
04:00
04:00:01Rosethornnand heyyyyy, I got a track to play. ^_^
04:00:08FebsCongratulations!
04:00:10*Rosethornn feels unnecassarily proud
04:00:14Rosethornn^^
04:00:32BigMacanyone a fan of the doors?
04:00:50Rosethornnnow that *is* off topic. XD
04:01:06scorcheand he didnt preface it with letting us know that it is off topic!
04:01:09Rosethornnso, do I have to 'Initialize Now' every time I add new msuic files?
04:01:15Rosethornnfor shame
04:01:16scorcheno
04:01:19Rosethornnoh, neat
04:01:21FebsNo. You can just use "Update Now."
04:01:25scorchethat is what the update now option is for
04:01:39BigMacoh im sorry, for are slower people here, my previous statement was off topic
04:01:54scorcheBigMac: thank you...i feel much better now...
04:01:55FebsOr, you can turn "Auto Update" on, and it will update automatically when you start Rockbox.
04:02:05RosethornnSo I just bung new music into my iPod's 'music' folder, disconnect it from the PC and update?
04:02:13BigMacscorche: anything to accomodate you
04:02:40FebsRosethornn, yes. Or you can arrange your music in folders if you prefer.
04:02:47BigMaci have never used itunes for putting my music on...ever
04:02:47scorcheoh...that was for me?...i didnt realize i qualified under the "slower people" section here...
04:02:51Rosethornnthanks
04:02:57FebsTagCache will find them whereever they are on the player.
04:03:03Rosethornn^_^
04:03:24BigMacscottder: if it wasn't for you then why did you imply that it was by commenting back
04:03:48scorchethe implication was in your head...
04:03:49BigMacscorche
04:03:54BigMacnope
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04:04:02BigMacBigMacoh im sorry, for are slower people here, my previous statement was off topic
04:04:02BigMacscorcheBigMac: thank you...i feel much better now...
04:04:13BigMacslower people
04:04:13scorcheyes....i know what i said
04:04:17BigMacyou said thank you
04:04:20*Febs looks around for an op.
04:04:21scorcheif i didnt remember, i can always just scroll up
04:04:27BigMacmeaning yoou thought it was directed at you
04:05:57Rosethornnhaha, this is going to rule.
04:06:11FebsIndeed.
04:06:28scorchei know it was directed at me...you said that it was...that doesnt mean that by replying, i accepted the "slower people" comment
04:06:38*scorche sighs and moves on yet again
04:06:43BigMacRosethornn: if you think that is going to rule, check out jblackglass it will blow your mind
04:06:48Rosethornneven though my iPod won't last the coach journey with this new firmware (4 hourish, plus train to London), I now have tonnes of neat stuff on it I couldn't put on before.
04:07:01Rosethornnis that a plugin?
04:07:07BigMacno
04:07:11BigMacits a theme
04:07:14BigMacill link ya
04:07:20Rosethornnfor greyscale?
04:07:34BigMacwhat model?
04:07:40Rosethornn4th Gen iPod
04:07:45scorcheRosethornn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH100
04:07:46Rosethornn20gig
04:07:50BigMacpossibly ill check
04:08:10scorcheBigMac: no need to..
04:08:14Rosethornnscorche: ??
04:08:29scorcheRosethornn: that is a list of the different "themes" that you can use
04:08:37BigMacnah not there
04:08:43Rosethornnah
04:09:03scorchethat is also for the 4g...ignore the name of the page =)
04:09:11scorcheBigMac: like i said...no need
04:09:32BigMachttp://solutions-i.org/julius/images/jbgthemes.jpg
04:09:39BigMacthat is jblackglass
04:09:46BigMacbut only for photo and 5g
04:09:50Rosethornnyes
04:09:56Rosethornnthat would be very dull in greyscale
04:10:01qwmBigMac: are you the guy that hates americans and canadians "because of the revolutionary war"?
04:10:02RosethornnI quite like the tape player one though ^^
04:10:02*scorche sighs yet again
04:10:13BigMac...
04:10:16BigMacim american
04:10:20qwmah.
04:10:24BigMacso i don't think so
04:10:25qwmconfused you with someone else then.
04:10:26BigMacwhy?
04:10:29qwmsorry.
04:10:31qwm:)
04:10:36BigMacits all gravy
04:10:49qwmtalked to a weird british guy a while ago..
04:10:59BigMaclol
04:11:13BigMacon here?
04:11:19qwmyeah, originally.
04:11:26scorcheFebs: any success? =P
04:11:30BigMaclol
04:11:45BigMacyou shoulda added it to bash.org
04:11:56FebsNope. :(
04:12:21qwm:)
04:12:35*BigMac has to get the tele phone
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04:14:00BigMacomfg. my friend is selling me his ipod mini for 35 $. and its not in bad condition or anything
04:14:04BigMacsweeet
04:15:25scorcheBigMac: if you havent gotten this point across yet...here it is in plain terms...
04:15:58scorchethis is #rockbox...it is is not a place for social gatherings...it is a method and a vessel for support for rockbox
04:17:20scorcheif you feel the need to express your happiness that your friend is selling you an ipod mini...there are many other channels for that...
04:19:13BigMacscorche: according to paul, i am allowed to talk about non rockbox issues. i just cant talk about completly non rockbox issues. that is a semirockbox issue, because i am putting rockbox on it. and if you would have given me a minute i would have stated what i wanted to ask.
04:19:33BigMacis rockbox running smoothly on the mini
04:20:24*scorche sighs
04:20:35*BigMac sighs
04:20:47midkayis "i'm getting a mini sweeeeeet" a rockbox semi-*issue*?
04:21:11BigMaci was going to inquire about how rockbox runs on it
04:21:15scorcheasking questions is much better...we did not need to know about your method of getting the device to answer your question...please remember this
04:21:27midkayyou had like two minutes before scorche scolded you, why didn't you ask then?
04:21:30BigMacand i felt it would make sense if i said that i was getting a mini
04:21:51midkayseems like you thought of a question to go along with the statement only *after* you released you needed a question..
04:21:56BigMacbecause i had to go take my diamox and fix something on my moms computer if you must know....
04:22:08midkayright.
04:22:27BigMacwell how can i prove that im not lieing
04:22:39midkayand typing seven words first is too much before you go do all that.
04:22:44BigMaci have to take diamox for my pseudo tumor cerebri
04:22:47BigMacyes
04:22:52midkayyep.
04:23:03BigMacmy mom hasbeen nagging me to fix her comp for over an hour
04:23:13Rosethornnwould it be off topic to point out that this level of strictness seems anally retentive and doesn't really make for a friendly atmosphere?
04:23:19midkayand three more seconds would be so much more..
04:23:22BigMacso i typed taht she asked me to come
04:23:31BigMacmidkay:do you live with your mom?
04:23:33scorcheRosethornn: not in the least =)
04:23:46midkayRosethornn: i wasn't going to participate but this whole situation is interesting to me with the "i had to go help my mommy" situation.
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04:23:56midkayBigMac: with my *parents*, sure.
04:24:14Rosethornnscorche: :)
04:24:16BigMacRosethornn: couldn't agree more so, but i like the people here so i come anyway
04:24:22scorcheRosethornn: the issue is that many people read the logs in order not to miss anything..we try to prevent spam to make it easier
04:24:38JdGordonw000t!!!!
04:24:43JdGordonfixed the wps screen :D
04:24:51BigMacmidkay: well then if your aa teen you understand if your mom comes in and yells at you to do something, you don't say hold on mom, you do it
04:25:00BigMacJdGordon: your making a wps
04:25:14FebsRosethornn, you wouldn't ordinarily see that level of strictness here, but BigMac has been posting a whole lot of nothing for several days now.
04:25:17JdGordonhell no... redoing all the button code in the core
04:25:22midkayso like literally she came in EXACTLY to the second after "Sweeeeeeeeet" and you couldn't stick around for a couple seconds to type something?
04:25:22scorcheRosethornn: there is only so much that we can handle though..
04:25:27JdGordonthe wps code isnt the best :p
04:25:32Rosethornnhehe
04:25:37midkayto gather responses while you waited?
04:25:41Rosethornnhumph. I hope they make a greyscale doom soon.
04:25:45BigMacFebs: what do you want man? i appologized. i was trying to help
04:26:00BigMacmidkay: yes
04:26:09midkaythat's very convincing, BigMac.
04:26:09Rosethornnfrom the backgrounds on some of the 'Now playing' things, it seems possible, if a lil' ugly
04:26:26midkayRosethornn: huh? possible to do doom based on a WPS?
04:26:28midkay:)
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04:26:37BigMacmidkay: my mom is not the kind of person you can say hold on a minute to. and i have a trip tomorrow and don't want her to say i cant go
04:26:39Rosethornnwell there are different degrees of greyness
04:26:42FebsBigMac, I'm not talking only of the forum. I am talking about what you having been doing here on IRC for the last hour.
04:26:57midkayBigMac: funny you just said she's been nagging you for an HOUR and all of a sudden she's so strict you can't wait three seconds..
04:27:10Rosethornnso you could make the walls grey1, the monsters grey2 (with some 1 and 3 mixed in) and your gun grey3.
04:27:15Rosethornnetc, etc, etc
04:27:20scorcheRosethornn: not sure, but i remember hearing something about a patch for it...i could be mistaken though...and if i did hear it, it was only a wip
04:27:26Rosethornnwip?
04:27:28midkayRosethornn: well it's not that simple, doom has a lot more than just "gun_color = gray" and stuff.
04:27:29midkay:)
04:27:29BigMacFebs: im asking questions, then scorche tells me something and we go back and forth
04:27:32scorchework in progress =)
04:27:37midkayit's surely possible and it does exist on the irivers. not yet on the ipods is all.
04:27:38Rosethornnof course, midkay
04:27:54Rosethornnokay... how do I find out if they're working on it?
04:27:58JdGordondoes holding play on the h100 lcd remote do anything in the wps atm?
04:28:09midkayif gun was simply "gray2" or something, it'd be flat shaded gray2 and it wouldn't look like a gun, it'd look like a gray blob as wel as the monsters and walls.
04:28:10BigMacmidkay: yes, you know how it is they start off , can you please help me then once they get irritated after asking several times they come in and TELL you to do it
04:28:24Rosethornnthat''s why I said with some grey 2, etc, mixed in
04:28:30scorcheBigMac: so you are blaming it all on me...?
04:28:30qwmhm BigMac, are you rich?
04:28:34BigMacno
04:28:41midkayBigMac: so for an hour she's been please help me and just the exact second you cheer to us that you got a mini she went from please to *NOW!!*?
04:28:42scorcheRosethornn: i will check
04:28:47Rosethornnthankyou. :)
04:28:47BigMacthat is to both of you
04:29:03BigMaci can't time my reactions with my mom talking to me
04:29:10Rosethornnmidkay: that's off topic.
04:29:18FebsBigMac, that's because your questions are things like, "Does anyone here like the Doors?"
04:29:20midkayRosethornn: what is off topic?
04:29:20qwmis anyone here rich?
04:29:21BigMacsee this is spam
04:29:24scorcheyeah...come on midkay ! =P
04:29:32qwmi give 10 000 USD blowjobs.
04:29:32Rosethornn"so for an hour she's been please help me and just the exact second you cheer to us that you got a mini she went from please to *NOW!!*?"
04:29:39BigMacweve been going on for 10 minutes to convince midkay im not lieing
04:29:40midkayyes, it is.. i just want to clarify the whole stupidity of the presented lie and make sure that nobody believes it.
04:29:40midkay:)
04:29:58scorcheok!
04:30:01scorchebreak!
04:30:06scorche−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−
04:30:07midkayyou won't convince me with "my mom came around at the exact second out of a whole hour that caused me to not be able to type my seven word question". sorry.
04:30:09scorcheno more =P
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04:30:22Rosethornnwell I'm sure poor new people who are hurriedly scrolling through the logs as their iriver breaks down will appreciate the distinction. :P
04:30:40midkayyes, because the current.txt has solutions to all the iriver problems.
04:30:42midkayrighto.
04:30:51BigMacFebs:that was off topic . i was just asking because this is a jukebox chat which means people listen to music, and i wanted to know what audio codec they reccommend for the doors
04:31:02Rosethornnscorche: any news on the Doom thing?
04:31:09FebsBigMac, you're full of shit.
04:31:12midkayyou use codecs on a per-artist basis? HAHA.
04:31:20scorcheRosethornn: no...i have been too busy dealing with certain people to look...
04:31:26BigMacmidkay: done. i really dont want to continue arguing
04:31:28Rosethornnhehe
04:31:39midkayhm, i think ogg would go good with Pink Floyd.. maybe i'll try wavpack.. lossy.. at 31% compression.. for Coldplay. yeah.
04:31:42FebsBesides, we know that you prefer APE.
04:31:42scorcheBigMac: then remain on-topic from now on
04:31:53qwmis there any good gay bars in seattle?
04:31:58BigMacfebs:doesn't the bitrate detrmine quality?
04:32:06BigMacyes i prefer ape
04:32:16BigMacthat doesn't mean i cant try other formats does it
04:32:18midkayyou prefer an audio codec and don't even know what the bitrate means?
04:32:27midkayyou're just blindly supporting a random codec..
04:32:33BigMacno i'm new to this stuff
04:32:38BigMacive tried a few
04:32:42BigMacand i like ape i guess
04:32:52midkayposting personal preferences in threads that want assistance is one thing, when you don't even understand that preference is another..
04:32:55BigMacmy reason im embarassed to say
04:32:56JdGordonhmm... the remote keys are not in the manual... i guess no one will mind if i change them all then :d
04:33:22midkayyou don't know what the bitrate is but you have such ears that you can hear that "ape sounds better i guess"? honestly... just..
04:33:43BigMacmidkay: they all sound the same to me
04:33:48BigMacbut i prefer ape
04:33:52midkay... why?
04:33:56BigMacidk why
04:33:57midkayif they're all the same sounding.
04:33:59BigMaci just do
04:34:08BigMaci guess it my preference
04:34:24scorcheRosethornn: i briefly checked flyspray and could not find anything...if you are really desperate to find it, you might check other places....ie: the forums, #rockbox logs, or the wiki
04:34:33midkayso disregard that posting your preference as "ape" is totally offtopic, it's complete blind faith and utterly worthless. you don't know what you're talking about in the least.
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04:34:56BigMacdude if that posts bothers you so much ill delete it
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04:35:05BigMaclike i saidI thought it was helpful
04:35:16BigMacbut ift it bothers you all thenill delete it
04:35:18Rosethornnscorche: thanks, but I can wait for an official thingie to come out, if one ever does. :P
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04:35:25Rosethornnooh, plugindice. XD
04:35:31RosethornnI can play D&D with my iPod
04:35:35Rosethornn:D
04:35:36BigMacand look 16 minutes of us going back and forth
04:35:46Rosethornngeekily enough, that may actually be sueful to me. :)
04:35:52BigMaci believe that is more spam then me saying anyone like doors
04:36:11midkayyou thought "i like ape but i don't know what it is or how it sounds or what it does, it's pretty much all the same to me but i like ape anyways because maybe it has a cool name or something"..
04:36:24midkaythe "spam" is a result of yours. we're trying to clarify that you are spamming and that you need to stop.
04:36:25*Febs is willing to bet that BigMac can't go 10 minutes without typing something.
04:36:32scorcheBigMac: it is an attempt that there will be no more spam from you in the future...it is quite worth the 16 min
04:37:04BigMacfebs:of course i cant three people are talking to me:-)
04:37:11FebsI win.
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04:37:28FebsDo you want to try for best of three?
04:38:09BigMacscorche: but your willing to waste 16 mins and countless lines to stop my occasional one line spam? don't think it evens off
04:38:12scorcheFebs: you win again
04:38:19BigMacFebs: best of four
04:38:26Rosethornnguys...
04:38:32scorchethere is no best of four...
04:38:38BigMacsure
04:38:42BigMacdamnit
04:38:43Rosethornnwhere do I put .jpg's in my ipod to make them viewable?
04:38:44BigMacyou got me
04:38:45*Febs wonders how BigMac proposes to win the best of 4 when he has already lost twice.
04:38:49BigMacRosethornn: root
04:38:55scorcheRosethornn: anywhere
04:39:07BigMacRosethornn: anywhere doesnt really matter
04:39:09Rosethornnand pluginjpeg automatically finds them?
04:39:15scorcheno
04:39:17BigMacbut idk if 4g can run jpg yet
04:39:31Rosethornnit says it can on the website
04:39:34scorcheyou can hold select, and go the open with option
04:39:44Rosethornnoh wait
04:39:45Rosethornndamnit
04:39:45BigMacsorry then
04:39:47scorcheor, it might auto run when you play one
04:39:49scorchenot sure
04:39:53RosethornnBigmac: you're right
04:40:03BigMac:-)
04:40:03Rosethornnit's 20 to 4.. I should get to bed soon
04:40:11BigMacwow
04:40:12Rosethornnbut I can sleep on the coach
04:40:13BigMacgnite
04:40:21*scorche puzzles
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04:40:40Rosethornnhehe, I've still gotta put the Metal Slug series on my memory stick, put some more .ogg's on my ipod, etc, etc, I won't be gone just yet
04:42:10*scorche was thinking of the viewer...
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04:43:02BigMacscorche: i believe you just press select and it opens the pic, duno if that answers your question
04:43:25JdGordonin the wps, what does the wheel on the ipod do
04:43:26JdGordon?
04:43:40scorchei didnt ask the question...but thanks for reaffirming me with "i believe" =P
04:43:51FebsJdGordon, up and down in the menus.
04:43:51maquisJdGordon: on mine, it changes the volume
04:43:54scorcheJdGordon: volume
04:44:11JdGordonta
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04:47:56webguest37JdGordon: if you want to clean up the WPS code, there's at least two patches on the tracker that might help http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4826 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2898
04:48:36JdGordonwebguest37: i dont really :p im changing the button checking code and i really shouldnt add other changes except this
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04:50:14maquisout of curiosity, is it impossible to turn off an ipod mini while it's plugged in?
04:50:24maquis(while running rockbox)
04:50:46maquismine turns back on once i turn it off... and occasionally, the backlight just turns on for no apparent reason
04:51:21JdGordoncan someone test the new key mappings with the ipod please?
04:52:15Febswhat new keymappings?
04:52:46JdGordoncompletly redone the button code in the core, i need to make sure it works fine, i tihnk ive got the buttons correct, but i cant test them
04:53:07FebsI'll test them.
04:53:14JdGordongreat :) which ipod?
04:53:17FebsVideo
04:54:43BigMacJdGordon: do you have to patch anything?
04:54:59JdGordonno, ill compile it for you
04:55:17JdGordongrr.. compile errors,,
04:55:23BigMacoh nvm you already got a video lol
04:58:13JdGordonmenu is the top button right?
04:58:48BigMacyah
04:59:08JdGordonand play is on the bottom?
04:59:11BigMacyes
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05:01:57JdGordonjdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/rockbox.ipod">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/rockbox.ipod is the video file, please test it and let me know how it goes
05:03:44JdGordonalso please check in the menus and eq setting screen if the wheel and buttons are correct
05:04:38BigMacJdGordon: will this overwrite jbuild?
05:04:43JdGordonyes
05:04:51BigMacAWW
05:05:06JdGordoni was gonna say rename it and use rolo to load it, but ipod doesnt have rolo yet does it?
05:05:20JdGordonrename jbuild and test, then copy it back :)
05:05:54*JdGordon back in 30 or so
05:05:55BigMacdoes it just overwrite rockbox.ipod?
05:06:00BigMacwait
05:06:14midkayit *is* rockbox.ipod.
05:06:22FebsJdGordon, I may be asleep by then but I'll test right now and report any problems here.
05:06:49BigMacand it isnt loading right in opera
05:06:53BigMacno file shows up
05:07:03BigMacjust a bunch of characters
05:07:16midkayjust go to the "Rockbox" dir and save as.
05:07:57BigMacthe file won't load in opera...so how can i dl it to save it over opera
05:08:08BigMac*rockbox.ipod
05:08:23FebsJdGordon, many problems.
05:08:26midkayjust go to the "Rockbox" dir and save as.
05:08:37midkayor just never mind, i guess Febs will do it.
05:08:48BigMacyah ill wait
05:09:05FebsThe scroll wheel moves only one entry at a time. You have to release the scroll wheel and spin it again to move up or down a single entry.
05:09:20FebsSelect does not work.
05:09:25FebsMenu does not work.
05:11:03FebsRight arrow freezes the player with the hard drive spinning. (Although, interestingly enough, the backlight still works, so it's not a complete lockup.)
05:12:23midkaythe scroll wheel bit is a button_repeat issue, by the way.
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05:13:07midkaybutton_repeat is triggered after more than one consecutive scroll event, i mean as long as the finger isn't released.. so be careful with it.
05:14:33qwmsmash the patriarcy!!!!!!!
05:14:40qwmfuck them men bastards!!!!
05:14:40Rosethornnquite
05:14:50RosethornnO.o I'm off to bed..
05:15:02Rosethornnninite al
05:15:04Rosethornnall*
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05:15:15scorcheg'night
05:15:19scorchenad..
05:15:27scorcheerr...it isnt worth it anyway
05:17:49JdGordonthanks Febs, bacxk to the drawing board then :p
05:18:01qwmscorche
05:18:03qwmhttp://free.nunwhores.com/pics/52.jpg
05:18:07qwmlook at this render i made.
05:18:14qwmi call it "guy fucking two nuns".
05:18:26scorchewow...it almost looks real >_>
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05:18:48qwmaww. almost. :(
05:18:55qwmwhat did i do wrong? tell me.
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05:19:17scorcheyou gave the guy a slanted forehead...
05:19:26scorchenow dont post more porn links...
05:19:56qwmporn is what the world needs!
05:20:13scorchebut not rockbox!
05:20:46maquisscorche: i'd call that perhaps more off-topic than BigMac's posts...
05:21:31scorcheyes, but he has not been spamming the forum and the channel for an hour or 2
05:21:34*maquis wonders why there are no ops in this channel
05:21:49qwmfreenode policy.
05:21:50scorcheall the ops are in europe...
05:21:56maquisscorche: true...
05:22:06qwmi've misbehaved before!
05:22:12maquisi've never been in a channel that didn't have ops... at least chanserv
05:22:14qwmwell..
05:22:21qwmis there a set of rules for this channel?
05:22:24qwmofficial rules..
05:22:27qwmis there a no-porn rule?
05:22:35qwmor a no-off-topic rule?
05:22:39scorchebut, i play hl2dm with you, so you are a special case...i will let someone else scold you =P
05:22:53BigMacwow
05:23:05BigMaci get yelled at for talking about the doors lol
05:23:10*scorche winks at BigMac
05:23:17midkaygo back to your corner.
05:23:23midkaytime out lasts another five minutes.
05:23:28BigMacoh im in the corner
05:23:37BigMacbut now i have a picture to look at
05:23:49qwmmaquis: " Don't keep channel operator privileges. Displaying these privileges on your nick with a "+o" attracts participants who are interested in gaining them and using them actively; it also attracts the attention of participants who react negatively to authority. Have your nick added to the channel access list and op yourself only when needed. " (from http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml)
05:24:09scorcheBigMac: i am not an op or anything in the sort in here...if i was, i would be more neutral...but like i said...i am not
05:24:18BigMacok
05:24:56*scorche is surprised Febs has not come on and railed him by now.. =P
05:26:12maquisqwm: ah...
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05:36:21BigMacqwm:you are by ar the luckiest man in here
05:36:41midkaynah, he's just intelligent and cool and charming!
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05:37:54qwmBigMac: elaborate please. :p
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05:41:02BigMaci believe i got a 16 minute lecture on not knowing enough about audio codecs to have a preference, and whay i cant ask if people like the doors, and you just posted a picture of a man banging to nuns, and the worst thing said to you was scorchenow dont post more porn links...
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05:41:38midkayHAHAHA.
05:41:50BigMacwell why can't you guys just say don't dothat again. then my "2hours of spam" would be 2 lines
05:42:16midkaybecause you argue about it.
05:42:19BigMacironic really
05:42:20midkaylike you are now.
05:42:23scorchebecause then you go on about how wrong we were to tell you that///
05:42:24BigMacsigh
05:42:25midkayjust drop it and we wouldn't be arguing again.
05:42:42BigMaci wouldnt argue at all if you said dont do it again
05:42:56BigMacyou question me everytime i interject something
05:42:58midkay"dont" do it again.
05:43:00midkaynow stop.
05:43:00scorchecontrary to past experiences...
05:43:03BigMack done
05:43:07midkayalright.
05:43:10midkayi've said the magic words.
05:44:01*scorche remembers this
05:44:13midkaythe ten-minute test, remember?!
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05:55:45BigMacoh yah
05:55:48BigMaci win
05:57:21scorcheyeah...but you just proved the point that...errr...nvm...
05:57:44*scorche doesnt want to get involved again
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06:09:43*JdGordon cant figure out the damn scroll wheel!
06:10:07JdGordonis clockwise move up in the list or move down?
06:10:29JdGordonand is clockwise BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK or BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD?
06:11:59JdGordonBigMac: ^^ ?
06:12:22scorcheJdGordon: i would imagine it would be forward
06:12:36JdGordonand down?
06:12:42maquisJdGordon: yup
06:15:20maquisJdGordon: it's forward because the top of the dial is moving forward... and it's down because the right-side of the dial is going down
06:15:36JdGordonthat makes no sense :D but ok
06:15:52maquisJdGordon: it makes sense to non-geeks... just not to us geeks :)
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06:19:10BigMacJdGordon: sorry watching a movie
06:19:54midkayremember our motto. there's a hole in the.. sky.. through which things can... fly.
06:20:05scorcheno...please...no...
06:22:48JdGordonoh fudge.. i just realised how much more needs to be changed before this is all working :'(
06:23:35midkayscorche: haha.
06:23:49maquisJdGordon: sorry... that sucks
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07:07:37maquismy ipod keeps rebooting
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07:41:19midkaymorning Bg3r!
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07:41:42Bg3rwazz up :)
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07:43:24Bg3rJdGordon: ;)
07:43:53JdGordonhey, morning
07:44:00JdGordonwe have a problem.. :'(
07:44:00midkayBg3r!!
07:44:11Bg3rwhat problem ?
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07:44:59JdGordonthe last_button checking actually did something other than the _pre stuff... it stops button_repeat being followed onto the enxt screen... and i cant figure out how to stop that happening now
07:45:25JdGordoni just found it because hold play on ipod is cancel and it exits every menu u are in very quickly :'(
07:46:25Bg3rhm..
07:46:58Bg3rbtw, i thought again about the remotes ...
07:47:00JdGordon:) ok, iv fixed it, but i dont like my solution
07:47:04JdGordonok?
07:50:00Bg3rWorking..
07:50:00Bg3r * The synclist widget
07:50:07Bg3rah
07:50:09Bg3rnever mind
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07:50:31Bg3ri'm still sleepy
07:50:36JdGordonhehe
07:50:50JdGordonabout to do my last update for the day
07:50:54*Bg3r was reading synclist as syncselect
07:51:13JdGordonsyncselect is now working also
07:51:18Bg3rah, good
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08:18:26amiconnLinusN: What's the X5 remote LCD backlight colour?
08:18:43LinusNblueish, like the h300 remote
08:18:56amiconnOK, that's what I chose for the sim atm
08:19:05LinusNnice
08:19:27amiconnThe X5 remote lcd drawing already seems to work, but for some reason the x5 sim crashes on tagcache init then...
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08:21:57maquishas anyone else experienced the ipod mini rebooting constantly and refusing to turn off while plugged in?
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08:30:40amiconnOkay, crash solved
08:30:42JdGordonmorning LinusN, iv found a bigiish problem with the actions, but im about to head off so i cant talk... can you sometime during the day check the wiki page and read the comment please?
08:30:54amiconnNow there are only some small graphical artefacts left
08:31:10amiconnBitmap drawing is okay, but some other function is not (yet)
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08:31:54LinusNamiconn: good to hear
08:32:39LinusNi was just away trying to scan the remote on the scanner here at work, but the scanner sucked too much
08:32:51LinusNi'll have to do it at home
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08:34:08amiconnThere's a filename collision with the simulator that I already solved locally
08:34:14LinusNtell me
08:34:31amiconnBoth firmware/export and uisimulator/sdl have their lcd-remote.h ...
08:34:40LinusNouch
08:34:46amiconnyeah
08:35:33LinusNi believe there are two button.h too, n'est pas?
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08:36:04amiconnnope
08:37:10scorchelol...someone just linked something from haxx.se in another channel i am in...
08:37:19LinusN:-)
08:37:47LinusNwe're famous, you know ;-)
08:37:52scorcheit made me giggle =P
08:37:57scorcheoh really now?
08:38:09amiconnlcd_remote_vline() seems to be the buggy fn
08:39:05LinusNJdGordon: i read your wiki page this morning, and i think the screenchange() idea sounds ok
08:39:19scorchewe were talking about curl...so you can imagine =)
08:39:28LinusNscorche: ah, figures
08:39:33amiconnAh, silly mistake....
08:41:30LinusNamiconn: they mostly are
08:42:03JdGordonLinusN: ah ok, great
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08:42:36amiconnLinusN: How the *** do you leave plugins on the X5??? (sim)
08:42:45LinusNamiconn: Power
08:42:49LinusNJdGordon: one q:
08:43:08*amiconn suddenly remembers that there is a bug in the X5 sim
08:43:20amiconnPower isn't assigned...
08:43:44LinusNJdGordon: why the while() loop in get_default_action()?
08:43:52amiconnOkay, the bitmap drawing needs more testing, but the driver seems to be ok as-is
08:44:16LinusNamiconn: great, commit it and i'll work on the lcd_remote_update() functions
08:44:17amiconnI'll commit my ton of changes in several steps. Not all of them are X5 remote related
08:44:52JdGordonLinusN: it saves having nested if's all checking (ret == ACTION_UNKNOWN)
08:45:03LinusNJdGordon: ok
08:45:14LinusNit just felt awkward at first sight
08:46:01JdGordonye, i was afraid of that
08:46:29JdGordoni was hoping it was commented enough to not do that, maybe a bit more would be better
08:47:07LinusNnah, i just skimmed through the patch
08:47:27LinusNJdGordon: one more q:
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08:47:56LinusNon your wiki page, does "not working" really mean that it doesn't work?
08:48:19LinusNor that it isn't ported to the new concept?
08:48:20JdGordonno, its not converted yet, dunno why i said not working :p
08:48:55LinusNbecause i think we should be able to commit it before everything is ported
08:49:07*JdGordon thinks LinusN is crazy.. it doesnt say not working anywhere on that page :D
08:49:24JdGordon6 keypads to convert and i think it will be good to go
08:49:40LinusNwhat about the wps and the ffwd?
08:49:45LinusNdid you fix it?
08:49:55JdGordonye fixed
08:50:00LinusNgreato
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08:50:41JdGordonalrighty, i gotta head off, ttyl
08:50:56LinusNcu
08:51:15JdGordonthe diff on the wiki is current apart from that 1 line that needs fixing, if you decide to have a play :D
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08:52:24Bg3rJdGordon ...
08:52:33Bg3rthe only thing i really don't like in this is
08:52:35Bg3rThe button checking code will check the given context list for the pressed button, if no button was found it will check the standard button list. However, if the target has a remote it will first check the CONTEXT_STD_REMOTE list,
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08:53:11Bg3rit's a logical inconsistency imho
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08:54:36Bg3rthat is, we don't treat the main and remote buttons in the same way
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08:55:59LinusNhmmm, is there no get_action() anymore?
08:57:36Bg3rLinusN: what do you think about this ?
08:57:47LinusN2 things:
08:57:56Bg3ri mean about my thoughts
08:58:14Bg3rwe can pass a context list, containing remote buttons (for example)
08:58:27LinusNBg3r: i think you're correct
08:58:59LinusNlet me see if i understand it correctly
08:59:07Bg3rk;)
08:59:18LinusNin the current incarnation, you can't create a "local" context?
08:59:34*Bg3r is very "sensitive" when it comes to the remotes :D
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09:00:12Bg3rhm
09:00:18Bg3ri'll look at the code again
09:00:51LinusNthere is no alternative but to call get_default_action(), and have the contexts defined globally
09:01:17LinusNand i think that might make life hard for the plugins
09:01:27Bg3ryes, i think that too
09:02:06Bg3rapps/tree.c:1003: if (button_get(false) == ACTION_STD_EXIT) huh
09:02:22LinusNotoh, i believe the vast majority of plugins can use a standard action list
09:03:02LinusNBg3r: ouch
09:03:22Bg3ryep, and this will give some consistency in them
09:03:29Bg3rLinusN: that is taken from the wiki page
09:05:20LinusNBg3r: should really be get_action(CONTEXT_STD, TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK), right?
09:05:41Bg3rhm
09:06:01Bg3rif the other calls to get_action() in tree.c use CONTEXT_STD, then yes
09:06:13Bg3r(of course i can't be sure:))
09:06:54LinusNhmm, maybe TIMEOUT_BLOCK should be -1 instead?
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09:11:13Bg3ryes, it seems that now u can't wait 1 tick
09:12:49LinusNexactly
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09:16:08Bg3rwhat do you think about extending each action list with <number remote buttons>* { BUTTON_NONE, ACTION_NONE, BUTTON_NONE }
09:16:52Bg3rand setting the values of each array with the correct mappings when a remote is plugged in ?
09:17:17*amiconn crosses fingers
09:17:29Bg3ramiconn: hehe
09:18:08amiconnHmm, it seems I can't commit the X5 remote driver easily. It will make the X5 build turn red....
09:18:41amiconn(lcd_remote_update() and lcd_remote_update_rect() don't exist, so linking breaks)
09:18:43LinusNamiconn: don't worry
09:18:43Bg3ramiconn: what about commiting it and undef-ing #HAVE_REMOTE...
09:18:46Bg3rah
09:19:11LinusNamiconn: i'll fix lcd_update() as soon as you commit
09:19:26amiconnLinusN: Ok. I'll just wait and check the result of my first commit round, then do the second
09:19:32LinusNnice
09:19:53amiconnBtw, don't forget to reconfigure (after the second commit). bmp2rb has learned a new format...
09:20:02LinusNwill do, thx
09:21:02LinusNamiconn: i recall that we have had some nasty assumptions in the code, that the remote was always monochrome
09:21:20LinusNbut i can't remember what it was
09:21:47amiconnMaybe it was the gui code
09:22:01LinusNi guess we'll soon find out :-)
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09:23:40LinusNamiconn: as always, my deepest respect for your gfx driver work
09:24:45ravoneh. Thank you, iTunes, for removing 7 gigs of music from my player.
09:24:56LinusNamiconn: #define SCROLLABLE_LINES ((LCD_HEIGHT+4)/5 < 32 ? (LCD_HEIGHT+4)/5 : 32)
09:25:11LinusNi guess the 5 is the smallest font size, right?
09:25:25amiconnyes
09:25:28LinusNok
09:25:55amiconnI just repaired it how it was meant to be (and is in the dedicated drivers)
09:26:08LinusNyup, that was good
09:26:24amiconnUnfortunately the 32 is the limit as the scroll code uses a bitmask for storing which lines are actually used
09:26:33LinusNah yes
09:26:46LinusNhmm, won't gigabeat suffer from that?
09:27:00amiconnThe ipod video already does
09:27:04LinusNah, yes
09:27:21amiconn...even the ipod color/ h300
09:27:43amiconnBut it's a more theoretical limit - who would use a 5px font on those displays _and_ have more than 32 scrolling lines?
09:27:44LinusNotoh, who in the right mind would use such a small font with that many scrolling lines, gotta be rainman to make sense of that
09:28:17amiconnphew, first round went well
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09:44:03amiconnLinusN: Ok, there.
09:44:29*amiconn wonders about the 4 backlight-related "static after non-static" warnings
09:44:52LinusNhmmm
09:45:37LinusNi'll check it out
09:45:40amiconnAh, maybe it's just because I enabled remote support for X5
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09:45:50LinusNprobably
09:45:58amiconn...and the backlight stuff being in target tree already
09:46:29*LinusN is compiling
09:46:50amiconnThere are also some app-level fixmes. Mainly the color_picker buttons, but also check the plugins
09:47:05LinusNwill check
09:47:21LinusNi have waited with x5 button fixes until the upcoming action stuff
09:48:56amiconnWith a picture of the remote it might be easier to find meaningful button assignments....
09:51:10LinusNouch, IRAM is full...
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09:53:02amiconnYou still have the main framebuffer in IRAM?
09:53:15LinusNthink so
09:53:38theprodukkthi
09:54:06theprodukkthow/where can i add a new item to the configuration menu of rockbox?
09:54:58LinusNtheprodukkt: tools/configure
09:57:15theprodukkt?
09:58:02LinusNyou change the tools/configure script (if that is what you mean with the "configuration menu"
09:58:05LinusN)
09:58:13theprodukktim thinkig of the menu when rockbox is running where i can for example adjust lcd brightness
09:58:17theprodukktall those options
09:58:19LinusNah, the settings
09:58:25theprodukktoh sry yes
09:58:28theprodukktmy fault :/
09:58:43LinusNyou change three files (at least):
09:59:02LinusNapps/settings.h, apps/settings.c and apps/settings_menu.c
09:59:18LinusNyou will probably also need to add the strings to apps/lang/english.lang
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10:02:11LinusNamiconn: is it important to have the remote frame buffer in iram?
10:02:46amiconnNo, other than for speed
10:02:55amiconnOn iriver we have the remote fb in IRAM
10:03:23LinusNi see
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10:08:10LinusNamiconn: so which framebuffer do you think is the most critical, and can be moved to dram?
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10:08:28LinusNs/most/least/
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10:08:38ton1hi, do you speak in Frensh here ?
10:08:58LinusNenglish please
10:09:08LinusNon parle anglais ici :-)
10:09:37amiconnWell the remote fb is smaller and so less data needs to be moved in total
10:09:56ton1i have ipod nano, and y see rockbox , but my english is limited, sorry
10:10:20LinusNton1: we'll try our best to understand you
10:10:47theprodukkt_is strlen("abc") = 3 or = 4?
10:10:54theprodukkt_(does he count the /0?)
10:11:02ton1en Francais ça serait plus simple pour moi
10:12:04amiconnLinusN: Don't forget that remote drawing is also done if the remote is unplugged
10:12:05ton1LinusN: on doit formater le IPOD pour mettre rockbox ?
10:12:32LinusNton1: mais pas pour nous, je parle pas si bien francais
10:13:08LinusNton1: is it formatted as FAT32 now?
10:13:13ton1i do formated ipod for installing rockbox ?
10:14:06LinusNamiconn: hehe, the x5 framebuffer is in IDATA, and not IBSS :-/
10:14:20amiconnhuh?
10:14:38*amiconn already wondered why the x5 binary is bigger than the h300 one
10:14:45LinusNnow you know :-)
10:15:04*amiconn points at Bagder
10:15:42ton1Which is the adviser installation? Windows, Linux, ? i user linux
10:16:34amiconnton1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux
10:18:27ton1thank 's , yes, I saw but I am afraid for the IPOD, I would not like to kill it
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10:19:15LinusNton1: nobody has yet killed his ipod, to my knowledge
10:19:33ton1www.google.fr translated for me
10:19:34LinusNamiconn: i have to move the main lcd framebuffer
10:20:33amiconnThe 16bit lcd driver is till in need of optimisation :/
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10:20:39LinusNyup
10:21:42amiconnI'm thinking about tile-caching for quite some time now
10:22:02ton1Once all east set up you use your IPOD like a key USB, you make copy stuck your audio files, towards the repertory of your choice in the IPOD? And you can read the audio files from the IPOD? like a walkman MP3
10:22:07Lynx_did anything about scrolling speed in the file browser change in the last weeks? i remember talk about that, but can't find anything in the cvs commits
10:23:44markunton1: yes
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10:24:56ton1to make does machine postpone after having installed rockbox is impossible I think, I am mistaken?
10:25:02LinusNamiconn: how would you make that?
10:25:29LinusNLynx_: huh?
10:25:38amiconnLinusN: The basic idea is to have a cache for a number of 8x8 pixel blocks in IRAM
10:26:04amiconnCopying from/to this cache would use burst mode
10:26:29amiconnDrawing of small bits would be done within these blocks
10:26:48ton1more need for iTune, GTKpod to add music in the IPOD? is to copy to stick enough?
10:26:56LinusNamiconn: but wouldn't the cache "housekeeping" eat up the saved cycles?
10:27:11LinusNton1: copy is enough
10:27:11amiconnYeah, that's one of the questions
10:27:20amiconnThe other is how to keep consistency
10:27:35*LinusN whispers "can of worms..."
10:27:38LinusN:_)
10:27:39Lynx_LinusN: I think there were mails in the dev list about improving the speed the screen is redrawn at in the file browser. I was hoping that would mabye have a positive impact on the scrolling speed, which is the only thing that a find somewhat annoying still about rockbox.
10:28:06LinusNLynx_: you mean scrolling the file list?
10:28:10Lynx_LinusN: yes
10:28:26LinusNi thought you meant the scrolling lines
10:28:33Lynx_ah, sorry, no
10:28:53ton1LinusN: Is Rockbox it to manage the photo albums, it makes also diaporama?
10:29:00LinusNLynx_: yes, there is a patch to reduce the screen drawing in the list widget, but i don't know how well it works
10:29:16amiconnAnother idea is to bundle 2 pixels into a 32bit word for mono bitmap drawing. Way less complex, but also less potential speedup
10:29:19LinusNton1: "diaporama"?
10:30:37Lynx_LinusN: ok, so nothing in cvs yet. Is it likely that the problem of sound pausing after longer scrolling in the file list is going to be fixed? I guess the scrolling takes CPU resouces away from the decoding, if i understand that correctly.
10:30:42amiconnMaybe the same could be done with whole lines (8 pixels), but then the loop will probably run out of registers
10:31:08amiconn...which might end up being slower than what we have now
10:31:12LinusNLynx_: yes, optimizing the screen drawing will have a good effect on the decoding
10:31:24LinusNamiconn: probably
10:31:52ton1diaporama = photograph which ravels all alone
10:34:21ton1 LinusN: Is Rockbox it to manage the photo albums and it can make ravel the photographs all alone every two seconds ?
10:34:33LinusNton1: you mean a slide show?
10:35:04ton1yes
10:36:12LinusNyes, there is a slideshow mode
10:36:25ton1sorry, google.fr is the person in charge for my translation
10:36:33LinusN:-)
10:37:54ton1Does the guarantee of the IPOD go it in the event of bug?
10:39:23ton1does y have to you it a pleasant sight? in the style of the IPOD the origin has
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10:40:50LinusNton1: apple may say that installing rockbox will void the warranty
10:41:22LinusNi didn't understand the second question :-)
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10:43:52ton1LinusN: is the aspect of the menu has not very identical compared to the menu of the IPOD has the origin? no visual change too radical?
10:44:15ravon"Thou shall always test compilation before commiting" :D
10:44:34LinusNton1: it does not look the same at all
10:44:34amiconnravon ?
10:44:41LinusNravon: this is intentional
10:45:00amiconnThe commit message even says it _will_ break the X5 target
10:45:08amiconnLinusN is working on the missing part
10:45:50ravonamiconn: Reading the commit log :)
10:46:44ton1Why Rockbox me interress ?....
10:47:20ton1My ipod nano walk very well under GTKpod, but on the other hand iTune is not his/her friend… (If I MP3 by GTKpod put on the IPOD, and then I reboot under Windows and I start iTune, iTune transfers all the MP3 added by GTKpod without anything to ask me )
10:47:56ravonHow come the amount of fun Rockbox commits always directly relates to how much I forgot my player at home?
10:48:18LinusNravon: :-)
10:54:13linuxstbamiconn: Do you need to bump the settings config block number? Won't defining HAVE_REMOTE_LCD for the X5 change the config block structure?
10:54:31amiconnlinuxstb: Oh
10:54:55*amiconn *knows* why he doesn't lik ethe binary settings anymore
10:55:16linuxstb:) Same problem happened the other day when recording was enabled...
10:55:53amiconnLinusN: could you do that? Atm it only "hurts" the sim
10:55:59LinusNit sure is time to move to file based settings
10:56:08LinusNamiconn: i'll do it
10:56:16LinusN(it hurt me) :-)
10:57:15ton1Thank you, for all his information, I will reflect, goodbye
10:58:32ton1Thank you google for was the translation, it with the height?
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11:01:20*amiconn wouldn't thank google for that translation
11:01:41amiconnAutomatic translation doesn't work very well for european languages
11:01:49LinusNton1: the google translation was really bad :-)
11:02:03amiconnFor some reason it works better for asian languages like chinese or japanese
11:02:24amiconn(I mean translating from these to english)
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11:03:59Bg3ramiconn: or korean:)
11:04:08amiconnyes
11:04:22Bg3ror jungti1234 doesn't use google ..
11:04:28amiconnSurely not perfect, but way better than from French or German etc
11:05:00theprodukkt_does somebody know a function in the ms.net development environment with which i can test just a small part of the code, for example a function by giving it values and getting the return?
11:05:05amiconnDunno; I use babelfish for such purposes, but afaik all these services use systran
11:05:42LinusNtheprodukkt_: i don't know anything about ms.net
11:06:10LinusNtheprodukkt_: i think you would have to create a dummy application and call the function from there
11:06:24theprodukkt_this would be a possibility
11:06:38ton1Sorry,I had that that under the hand to try to render comprehensible me, my English is not very advanced goodbye and thank you still
11:06:46theprodukkt_but if there are used any structs from other included files it would be a lot of work
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11:07:03LinusNton1: de rien
11:07:11theprodukktdo u know any other environment which could help me in this?
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11:08:16*amiconn has got a new toy that makes him prefer one of 2 rockboxes for HiFi use now :-)
11:08:35amiconnThe archos recorder or iriver H140, to be precise
11:08:43*LinusN is curious
11:09:02LinusNs/pdif input on your stereo?
11:09:09amiconnNew HiFi, with s/pdif in
11:09:34*LinusN has coax s/pdif input on his stereo
11:10:04amiconnBoth coax and optical (but if it wouldn't have both, I could use my self-made converter)
11:11:04LinusNmy optical input is occupied by the dvd player
11:11:16LinusNgotta build myself a converter too
11:11:41amiconnBuilding a converter is quite cheap, only a few parts needed
11:12:04amiconnThe most expensive parts are the TOTX/TORX modules
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11:13:33LinusNschematics?
11:14:31amiconnHmm, maybe I should draw some
11:14:50amiconnI gathered them from various places on the net
11:15:22amiconnDo you know a free program for easy drawing of schematics?
11:15:32LinusNhttp://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html
11:15:40LinusNamiconn: eagle
11:17:27amiconnThere are no actual coax<->optical conversion circuits in the document you linked?
11:17:31amiconn-?
11:17:42LinusNno, but coax<->ttl
11:18:00LinusNand the totx/torx i found use ttl levels
11:18:15amiconnAh, yes
11:18:36amiconnYes they do
11:18:53amiconnI used TOTX173 and TORX173
11:19:20LinusNi was looking at totx179
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11:20:22amiconn(and a breadboard (?) for putting it all together)
11:21:09amiconnFor coax->ttl I (mis)use the 74HCU04. In this application it's important to use the unbuffered version
11:22:15LinusNamiconn: the "Simple S/PDIF output without galvanic isolation"?
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11:23:38amiconnNo, the "S/PDIF coax input circuit"
11:23:40aliaskQuick question: is MP4/AAC playback working at the moment (h300). Wiki says it's sub-realtime, but the player doesn't play it at all.
11:23:58amiconn...and then the TOTX173 hooked to the output
11:24:38amiconnThe main diff between the TOTX173 and TOTX179 seems to be the package. The 173 are for print mount
11:25:28LinusNaliask: how is the file named?
11:25:45aliask"DJ Krush - Milight - 01 - Intro.mp4"
11:25:56amiconnMy Optical coax consists of the TORX173 with the "Simplest TTL to S/PDIF coax interface" hooked up to its output
11:26:03amiconnOptical->coax
11:26:50amiconn(only that the parallel resistor is 91 ohm for better matching 75 ohm output impedance iirc)
11:27:03LinusNok
11:28:20theprodukktwhy is the tagcache refresh delayed until the next restart when initializing the db?
11:29:23LinusNtheprodukkt: memory (re)allocation issues
11:35:11theprodukktmaybe we should somewhere show a message that db init is ready
11:35:33theprodukkt(some users already had problems in this point i think..)
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11:36:47scorcheLinusN: why do i only see player, recorder, and h100 on the cvs builds page?
11:37:27scorcheoh...does it show it only as it is building?
11:37:39scorcheah....
11:37:56sharpegosh scorche.
11:38:04scorchehush you
11:38:06scorcheit is night
11:38:20sharpei just woke up after fourteen hours of sleep.
11:38:21scorcheand i have dealt with stupid girls on the phone for the last hour or 2
11:39:48linuxstbaliask: There's a patch on flyspray which may help you play that file - it's called something like "improved mp4 metadata parser".
11:40:36sharpei believe spam email is trying to tell me something.
11:40:47sharpeit's quoting the bible...
11:42:13aliasklinuxstb: Ah thanks, I'll try it out.
11:42:36linuxstbaliask: Please report back - that patch should be committed if it helps.
11:42:47aliaskAye aye
11:42:54sharpealiask! hey!
11:43:08aliaskEvening (or whatever time it is where you are)
11:43:25sharpeMorning...
11:43:49theprodukktwhats the command in a while loop to not continue the code but jump to the next repeat
11:44:20sharpeyou mean to skip to the next iteration of the loop?
11:45:09theprodukktyes
11:45:19theprodukkt(sry 4 my english oO)
11:45:24Slasheritheprodukkt: continue;
11:45:28theprodukktthx
11:45:31sharpeyay!
11:45:33Slasheribreak; breaks the loop
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11:52:46midkaysharpe: wake up.
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11:53:28sharpemidkay: eh?
11:53:34midkaywke up. that's what.
11:53:40midkayhave you listened to The Republic yet?!
11:53:45sharpeyes.
11:53:50theprodukktchar **xy = &ab; (ab is char *)
11:53:54theprodukktdoes anybody understand this`
11:54:19sharpeah... yes...
11:54:45Slasheritheprodukkt: what do you mean with that?
11:54:59midkaysharpe: its's lovely isn't it.
11:55:20sharpemidkay: not my close tastes in music but it seems good.
11:55:33midkaywhat sort of loser doesn't love legowelt.
11:55:48midkayno matter what you listen to!
11:55:58Bg3rtheprodukkt: yes, this is correct
11:56:49theprodukkti dont understand this
11:57:10linuxstbtheprodukkt: If ab is char* (i.e. the address of a character), then &ab is char** - i.e. the address of the address of a character).
11:57:11theprodukkttrying to understand the function check_if_empty in tagcache.c but ... ARGH
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11:57:40Slasheritheprodukkt: that is especially useful if you want to modify/test the char * pointer value in a function.. void function(char **p) { if (*p == NULL || **p == '\0') ... } void otherfunction(void) { char *p; function(&p); }
11:57:46Slasherihehe :)
11:57:59amiconnhumpf. Flaky WLAN for some reason :(
11:58:15theprodukktoh, its already 12:00!
11:58:18theprodukktive to go
11:58:24theprodukktshit my doctor will be waiting :
11:58:26theprodukktshit my doctor will be waiting :/
11:58:30theprodukktcya all thx 4 help
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11:58:52LinusNthat's also a way of saying "oh, this is way over my head" :-)
11:59:37amiconnPointers are nice :)
11:59:43linuxstbHmm.... "Yes, please, add cue sheet support ! And I think it must be quite simple to add compared to other features"
11:59:54sharpeit's great how he repeated the sentence to fix the smilie.
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12:00:00amiconnquite simple, haha
12:00:43amiconnCue sheet support is another such thing I don't understand the importance of
12:01:39crashd_thats just because you dont use it amiconn
12:01:44crashd_we've had this a thousand times before ;)
12:02:40crwlcue files fix a problem that only exists with crappy file formats and players
12:03:07crashd_howso? they allow you to have a listing for a mix, for instance
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12:06:10linuxstbOne thing I've been thinking about is to introduce the concept of subtracks in a file (for cue, sid, chaptered mp4 etc). The rest of Rockbox would still treat it as one file (i.e. it would be a single file in a playlist - you can't shuffle the contents), but NEXT/PREV in the WPS would take you to the next/prev subtrack, and the WPS would need the ability to display the extra metadata for the subtracks.
12:06:26crwlcrashd_, why would you need cue files for that?
12:06:49linuxstbThe only issue is how to efficiently store the metadata for all the sub-tracks...
12:07:04LinusNsubtracks would perhaps also be nice for the sid codec
12:07:37linuxstb"(for cue, sid, chaptered mp4 etc)"
12:08:11amiconnAnd sub-tracks in mods, yes.
12:08:36amiconnBut the problem remains that you can't put specific sub-tracks in playlists
12:09:22linuxstbWhich is a .m3u problem as well as Rockbox...
12:09:46amiconnYeah, but otoh I wouldn't like to move away from m3u
12:09:56sharpei'm not quite sure how my headphones got wrapped over the desk light of mine...
12:10:01amiconnIt's plain & simple, supported almost everywhere...
12:10:14Slasherihttp://ihme.org/~miipekk/pointer_example.txt that could clear that ** pointer issue a bit :)
12:11:44LinusNclear as mud
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12:14:38grimmanhttp://students.washington.edu/mmccain/nerdtest.html
12:14:44grimman"54.76190476190476% nerd blood flows through your veins."
12:15:28midkayooh.
12:15:29midkay*takes*
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12:18:35Bagderfixed
12:18:50Slasheri:)
12:21:47grimmanIt's hibernation time.
12:21:51grimmanLater, ladies.
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12:26:00amiconnSlasheri: If MAX_TRACK were required to be a power of 2, the ring buffer handling would be simple...
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12:26:59amiconnThe hwcodec playback engine does that
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12:29:32Slasheriamiconn: hmm, i think it currently is
12:30:41Slasheriamiconn: i have planned many times to start rewriting some of the functions from scratch but the current code is quite a mess that it's hard very hard to begin :/ at least i would like to re-implement the buffering and remove the static ring structure
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12:46:34theli_uaanyone had problems with rockboxdev.sh ?
12:47:39Bg3rLinusN: i want to rearrange the sequence of the button_mapping struct..
12:47:50LinusNBg3r: do so
12:47:53LinusN:-)
12:47:56Bg3rwhich format is better ?
12:48:04Bg3rbutton, prev_button, action
12:48:09Bg3ror action, button, prevbutton ?
12:48:19LinusNthe latter, i thknk
12:48:45Bg3rif it isn't done now, later will be even worse to be changed
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12:50:30LinusNBg3r: yup
12:57:02LinusNwee, x5 lcd remote display works!
12:58:31Bagderniiiice
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13:01:18linuxstbSlasheri: If you're planning to rewrite the buffering code, I think it would be nice to allow codecs to perform their own buffering, or at least separate the container format parsing (and things like seeking and resume) from the actual audio data decoding. I've got a few ideas about how that could work, and will try to put them on the wiki somewhere.
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13:20:41_insomniahey
13:21:04_insomniacan anyone send me the rockbox binary to the x5l?
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13:24:23amiconnLinusN: X5 sim turned red...
13:24:55LinusNyes, i know
13:25:15LinusN_insomnia: why don't you just download it?
13:25:21_insomniahmm
13:25:33_insomniathe net told me to come here
13:25:43LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org
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13:26:03_insomniai don't have lots of expirience messing around with linux and mp3 players :)
13:26:10_insomniai just bought a new x5l
13:26:38_insomniadoes rockbox.org has a good manual for that stuff?
13:27:11Slasherilinuxstb: hmm, sounds interesting. Please put some ideas on the wiki :) i also need to completely plan the buffering before start coding
13:27:23LinusN_insomnia: linux?
13:28:27_insomniawell isnt the rockbox operating system based on linux kernel?
13:28:30_insomniaor am i way off?
13:28:46sharpeyou are way off.
13:28:54_insomnia(just for the record, i found out about rockbox just 5 minutes ago)
13:28:59sharpe:)
13:29:06LinusNrockbox is written from scratch
13:29:15_insomniain what language?
13:29:22LinusNC/asm
13:29:30sharpeC and target specific assembly, yay!
13:30:05_insomniacool..
13:30:39_insomniaas i understood rockbox uses unicode right?
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13:31:24LinusN_insomnia: yes, but not yet fully
13:31:58Febs_insomnia: you might want to spend a few minutes reading this: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-build.html
13:32:20_insomniathanks
13:32:23_insomniaill do that right now
13:34:29BigMacwhat is a good program tahts free for windows and cana rip from cd to flac
13:35:28nudelynwww.exactaudiocopy.de
13:35:57Bg3rBigMac: and http://flac.sf.net/
13:36:31_insomniaFebs: why does it refer to the original firmware of the X5l as the iriver firmware
13:36:32_insomnia?
13:36:48Bg3rah ?
13:37:11filRBigMac: i also recommend exact audio copy. you can rip and directly encode the files into flac with it.
13:37:27Bg3r_insomnia: where?
13:38:21_insomniain the manuak
13:38:31_insomnia http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-build.html
13:38:31_insomniamanual
13:38:49Bg3rand there ?
13:39:35BigMacexact isn't free guys
13:40:02filRBigMac: hm, i believe it is.
13:40:14BigMacnvm
13:40:15_insomnia1.4.2. Installing the bootloader
13:40:21BigMacthe front page said it was
13:40:22filRBigMac: you can register by sending the author a postcard. but you have no disadvantages if you don't. :)
13:40:26BigMacbut there is a beta
13:40:48filRyeah, eac will always be beta software i guess.
13:40:51Bg3rFebs: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch1.html#x3-80001.4.2
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13:42:51Bg3ri wonder if the EAC's author burn the postcards in the winter :D
13:43:04MmmmLinusN: I supose seeing as JdGordon is totally changing the button code, there is no point in committing a fix for the H3xx remotes. What do you think?
13:43:20LinusNMmmm: better hold that
13:43:20pondlifeamiconn: Might not be related to your recent work, but the H300 sim now shows a garbled logo on the remote simulator. pondlife.homeip.net/images/simshot.jpg">http://pondlife.homeip.net/images/simshot.jpg
13:43:28Mmmmok... :)
13:43:37pondlifeI don't have an LCD remote, so don't know if it affects the real thing
13:44:07BigMacdo i need lame?
13:44:14BigMacim tight on cpu space
13:44:22Bg3rCPU spacE ?
13:44:30filRBigMac: only if you want to encode files als mp3.
13:44:36BigMacnah
13:44:43filRthen you don't need lame.
13:45:11_insomniarockbox manual doesnt mention where i can get the bootloader..!
13:45:49BigMack so how do i rip to flac now
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13:46:48nudelynhttp://www.google.com/search?q=Exact+Audio+Copy+FLAC <−− several guides
13:46:59BigMacand this doesnt keep track names
13:47:04BigMacnudelyn: tky
13:47:30amiconnpondlife: make clean and rebuild
13:47:44amiconnThis is because of the logo change 2 days ago
13:47:54amiconn(remote logo with the correct width)
13:48:28amiconnYour libbitmapsremotenative.a now contains both versions
13:49:47BigMacthese manuals don't make any sence to me
13:50:07BigMacdoes flac frontend rip to flac?
13:50:13_insomniait doesnt say where i can get the bootloader
13:50:18BigMacit was on flac.sf.net
13:51:47filRBigMac: flac is only the actual encode, which will encode your files to flac. there may be some rippers which can directly encode the ripped files to flac (i believe exactaudiocopy can also do this - but i do not have the app in front of me at the momemt).
13:53:05lexrockbox freezed :-O
13:53:31LinusNlex: congratulations!
13:53:36pondlifeamiconn: Thanks, that fixed it (as you knew it would)
13:54:30Bg3rfilR: afaik EAC doesn't come with the flac encoder
13:55:09BigMacis there any program out there that can easily rip from cd to flac please
13:55:18BigMacthese are all so hard:-s
13:55:35filRBg3r: true. but isn't it possible to rip&encode files to flac in one action?
13:56:09Bg3rat least the last time when i used it it wasn't possible
13:56:12filRBigMac: what you could do, is rip the cd to wav (button in exactaudiocopy) and then encode them to flac with the flac windows front end.
13:56:14filRBg3r: ok. :)
13:56:25filRBigMac: but then the tags will not be filled in for you. :/
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13:56:41Bg3rBigMac: just see the tutorial on hydrogenaudio.org
13:56:56BigMaci need tags
13:57:16lexLinusN: yeah, thanks
13:58:15aliaskUgh, that MP4 metadata patch is broken, and I'm wading through it trying to get it to apply - what's the point of a "#if 1"?
13:58:28_insomniahey guys
13:58:35Bg3rBigMac: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC
13:58:37Bg3rsee here
13:58:37_insomniai'm really confused with the dualbooting thing
13:58:46Bg3rBigMac: and here: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=EAC_and_Flac
13:58:53filR_insomnia: how so?
13:59:05_insomniado i have to compile the bootloader?
13:59:22_insomniaisnt there a complied version of the dual bootloader i can get?
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14:00:22linuxstbaliask: I assume the patch is still a work-in-progress...
14:00:36aliaskSo no point?
14:00:45filR_insomnia: you don't really need to compile it. but i don't think there is an easier way then described on the homepage.
14:00:45linuxstbBut I'm surprised it's broken - I think some of the ipod experimental builds include it.
14:01:04_insomniayou mean on the forum?
14:01:06BigMaceac doesn't tag infor huh?
14:01:14_insomniaall i found was this thread
14:01:14_insomniahttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3766.60
14:01:18_insomniaand this page
14:01:19_insomniahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5289
14:01:26filRBigMac: normally it does retrieve cd information from the internet.
14:01:26aliaskIt could be how I'm applying it - but I doubt it. ("patch -p0 < metadata.patch" in rockbox-devel/)
14:01:47*linuxstb goes to download the patch
14:02:03filR_insomnia: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#Rockbox_Installation_Instruction
14:02:45BigMacfilR: right once cd is inserted? or while ripping
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14:02:54linuxstbaliask: It patches fine for me with that command. Do you have any other patches?
14:02:56filRBigMac: once the cd is inserted.
14:03:09BigMacnope didn't do it for ten
14:03:15aliaskWell, it patches fine, but it doesn't compile - I'm running it on a clean cvs
14:03:22linuxstbaliask: Just discovered that...
14:03:27theprodukkthey
14:03:31filRBigMac: but i think there is even a button to force eac to retrieve cd information. "cddb" or similar? (but it has been a long time since i used eac)
14:04:30_insomnialol
14:04:41_insomniafilR: the iaudio instructions are missing
14:04:50filR_insomnia: lol.
14:05:05linuxstbaliask: Yes, the patch is being applied in the wrong place in metadata.c - i.e. in the middle of an existing function :)
14:05:17filR_insomnia: sorry, but then i can't really help you much either. i am also quite the rockbox newb. :)
14:05:36aliaskAh ok, I'll just copy and paste from the .diff into a suitable place in the file
14:06:28linuxstbaliask: If you manage to get it compiling, could you upload an updated patch?
14:06:33_insomniacould anyone help me install the rockbox dualboot loader on my Iaudio X5L ?
14:06:34aliaskSure thing.
14:08:44linuxstb_insomnia: The rockbox X5 dualboot bootloader isn't an official part of Rockbox - which is why it's not documented anywhere officially, and why there is probably no-one here that knows how it works.
14:09:37LinusNa kosher dual-boot loader is on my todo list
14:11:12_insomniaok
14:11:13_insomniathanks
14:11:39theprodukktdoes anybody know a tool which stores multiple running applications/programms to one frame (in the windows-menubar is only the frame stored)
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14:16:15linuxstbtheprodukkt: This is #rockbox... (I've no idea what you're talking about, but it doesn't sound even remotely Rockbox related)
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14:24:53aliasklinuxstb: I got it to compile, but the pached binary didn't actually help with playing the mp4 file, still want the patch?
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14:26:05linuxstbDid anything change compared to the CVS version? What happens when you select a file?
14:26:33linuxstbAnd yes, even if there are still problems, it would be helpful to at least have a version of the patch that patches cleanly.
14:28:08aliaskDumps you to the wps, which says "no file" - there's no metadata either, but that's what happened before the patch anyway.
14:28:33aliaskThat's what happens when it's a directory of its own, if there are other files in the directory, it will just skip to it and start playing.
14:33:12linuxstbCould you give me a copy of that file? I won't look at it now, but am building a collection of mp4 files for when I do.
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14:35:17_insomniahey everyone
14:35:22_insomniai managed to load the dualboot
14:35:25_insomniathanks
14:35:30BigMacyay
14:35:35_insomniayeah
14:35:49_insomniaalmost had to gcc it on my vmware running backtrack
14:35:59_insomniabut i found it complied
14:36:11LinusNgoodie
14:36:48_insomniathanks a bunch
14:37:02linuxstbLinusN: What's the problem with the current dual-boot bootloader? I seem to remember it calling functions from the original firmware...
14:37:04_insomniaare there any color themes on rockbox?
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14:39:31LinusNlinuxstb: exactly
14:40:38linuxstb_insomnia: Try the WpsGallery wiki page, or http://www.rockbox-themes.org
14:40:55linuxstb(or design one yourself...)
14:41:29LinusNx5 remote öcd support committed
14:41:32LinusNlcd
14:42:19aliaskDoes the x5 come with the remote?
14:42:22LinusNbuttons are still not working properly, but that'll come with the new action code concept
14:42:26LinusNaliask: no
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14:44:23linuxstbcough cough, config block version, cough, cough, ....
14:45:06LinusNah, damn
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14:46:13LinusNlinuxstb: done, thanks for reminding me
14:47:11theprodukktwhere are the rockbox settings stored?
14:47:17theprodukktwhen i shut it down
14:47:30theprodukktand restart the settings are still the old
14:47:39theprodukktso they have to be saved somewhere right?
14:47:40linuxstbIn an otherwise unused sector on the disk.
14:47:52linuxstb(between the partition table and the first partition)
14:48:12theprodukktomg?
14:48:15theprodukktwhy
14:48:30theprodukktso difficult, couldnt it easy be saved into a file?
14:48:53linuxstb1) It's quick and easy; 2) Rockbox has not always had the ability to write to files.
14:49:03linuxstbBut the plan is to move to using a file.
14:50:43LinusNtheprodukkt: like linuxstb said, it's mostly a legacy from the time when rockbox had no fat32 write support
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14:56:14BigMacwhat bitrate is flac?
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14:57:11filRBigMac: depends. normally around half the file size of wav.
14:57:16pekujaabout 512 or something?
14:57:42BigMacis their a way i can find out what it is?
14:57:50BigMaci need the exact bitrate
14:57:56filRmore. around 600-900.
14:58:16filRBigMac: most players will tell you the bitrate.
14:58:25BigMacyah ill check my ipod
14:59:05Bg3rLinusN: i still think that remotes' actions shouldn't be in separate arrays ...
14:59:29pekujaraw CD-audio is 1378 kbps, correct?
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14:59:48LinusNBg3r: how would you solve the remote problem on the h-series then?
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15:00:18pekuja44100*16*2/1024 (44.1kHz, 16bit, stereo)
15:00:20BigMac903 kbps
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15:00:36LinusNshould be /1000
15:01:22filRBigMac: sounds about right.
15:01:26Bg3rLinusN: my idea is to _have_ them as const arrays only for the actual mapping per remote, and to be added/changed/deleted at the end of each context
15:01:27theprodukktare the standard settings (the settings which are set after the first installation) stored somewhere in the sourcecode?
15:01:28Bg3ruf:(
15:02:08LinusNtheprodukkt: yes, in settings.c
15:02:26Bg3rthat is, to leave space at the end of each context for the remote mappings
15:02:49LinusNBg3r: so you copy the actual mapping into the table?
15:02:51Bg3rand when the remote is plugged in, the specific mapping...
15:02:52Bg3ryep
15:02:54Bg3rthe same
15:03:12Bg3rand if there isn't remote
15:03:24pekujaLinusN, why /1000 ?
15:03:31Bg3rjust first line of the remote mapping is set to LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST
15:03:41pekujaLinusN, is it actually measured in metric kilos instead of binary kilos?
15:03:44LinusNpekuja: because "kilo" is not 1024
15:04:03pekujaLinusN, it is in some cases
15:04:06filRit is kilo bit, not kilo byte afaik. :)
15:04:08linuxstbpekuja: Only disk/memory capacity seems to use 1024. Communication speed is always 1000.
15:04:16Bg3rLinusN: what do you think about this ?
15:04:36LinusNBg3r: could work
15:04:48Bg3ryes, it will...
15:04:50theprodukktlinusN, thx
15:05:11pekujalinuxstb, even disk/memory capacity is measured in 1000 by the manufacturers to make them seem larger
15:05:28linuxstbpekuja: And we all know that's wrong :)
15:05:40pekujalinuxstb, yeah, well
15:05:56LinusNtheprodukkt: most of the default values are stored in the xxx_bits[] arrays, as the third item in each entry
15:06:12Bg3rit'll occupy a little more mem, but there won't be these 3 cases on the platforms with remote in get_default_action()
15:06:16theprodukktin settings_menu.c a lot of functions to set the bools look like that: static bool ...(void) { bool result = set_bool_options(...); return result;}
15:06:30pekujaLinusN, it'd be so much nicer if there only was one standard :-P
15:06:35linuxstbpekuja: I've always seen the bitrate for CD audio quoted as 1411kbit/s.
15:06:45pekujaI mean linuxstdb, but doesn't matter that much.
15:06:46theprodukktwouldnt it be better if the result of the set_bool is directly forwarded to the return call
15:06:54pekujalinuxstb, ok
15:06:56LinusNtheprodukkt: but you must also look att the settings_reset() function for some special cases
15:07:14theprodukktlike { result set_bool_options; }
15:07:28theprodukktok thx ill check it
15:07:41pekujausing 1024 is kinda useless these days
15:08:47LinusNtheprodukkt: the set_xxx() return value tells you if the dialog was cancelled
15:08:56linuxstbpekuja: Logical disk sectors are normally 512 bytes, not 500 bytes....
15:09:22Bg3rLinusN: in the way it's now ... if u want a "user" action mapping (and want to use the remote too), u would supply the remote keys at the end of the user table, or there should be 2 parameters for set_user_action(struct button_mapping* main, ... remote)
15:10:46LinusNset_user_action()? did you just invent that function?
15:12:41Bg3ryes :D
15:13:17Bg3rregarding local contexts
15:14:12pekujalinuxstb, true. does it make any sense to the user to know that though?
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15:18:29linuxstbbarrywardell: Hello. What's the news on your H10?
15:18:44barrywardellI think there's a problem with the hdd
15:18:54barrywardelland I haven't been able to recover it
15:19:03barrywardellI'm thinking about doing an RMA
15:19:46linuxstbHopefully iriver don't monitor this channel and recognise your name :)
15:19:59linuxstbI guess you've still got your own .mi4 there?
15:20:31barrywardellyeah, so I don't know if they will notice or not
15:20:45linuxstbHopefully the HD is dead, in which case they won't...
15:20:45barrywardellbut it looks like it's my only option
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15:20:59barrywardellit seems to be totally dead
15:21:14barrywardellthe rest of the player seems fine.
15:21:59LinusNbadness
15:23:30aliaskWhat did you do to it?
15:24:51barrywardelli was using a build of the rockbox bootloader
15:26:31barrywardellbasically the ipod bootloader modified to read the gpio ports and write the data to disk
15:28:33barrywardelljust filled out iriver's rma request form there
15:28:45barrywardellit's still in warranty until the 30th of July
15:28:57filRlol
15:30:11aliaskGood timing then
15:30:37barrywardellit's a fairly significant setback to the h10 port efforts
15:31:15aliaskMy player's long out of warantee, if anything happened to it, I think I'd just have an expensive 40gb harddrive (that is, if the hdd still worked)
15:31:36aliaskDid you ever get the button driver working?
15:33:03barrywardelli had finally just got a build target up an running
15:33:20barrywardelli had the buttons mostly figured out i think
15:33:29barrywardelland a driver written
15:33:32LinusNbarrywardell: please submit a patch with what you've got so far
15:34:02barrywardellLinusN: I will do of course. but am a little wary of bricking someone else's h10
15:34:30LinusNbarrywardell: that's not your problem
15:35:00theprodukktlinus: {1, S_O(tagcache_ram), 0, "tagcache_ram", off_on } i took this line from the settings.c, could u explain the meaning of those values shortly (i think the first is the settingstoragesize in bytes)
15:36:26LinusNthe first is size in bits, not bytes
15:36:59theprodukktah yes
15:36:59goffawell... they didn't void my warranty (but then i was able to get original firmware back on)
15:37:17LinusNS_O(...) is a macro that translates to the size and offset of the member of the settings struct
15:37:30theprodukkt0 is the standard value?
15:37:40LinusNthe default value, yes
15:37:48barrywardellwhere should I submit a patch to?
15:38:07theprodukktand "tagcache_ram" the entry in the .lang file?
15:38:14linuxstbbarrywardell: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/
15:39:31LinusNtheprodukkt: "tagcache_ram" is the name of the setting in the .cfg file
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15:40:12linuxstbLinusN: Do you think the H10 patch should be committed, or you just want it on the tracker so the work isn't lost?
15:40:22theprodukktand the last off_on?
15:40:32LinusNlinuxstb: the latter
15:42:13linuxstbLinusN: OK. I agree, but was just checking...
15:43:20LinusNtheprodukkt: it would really help if you read the file settings.c, start at line 168
15:43:56theprodukktyes
15:44:09LinusNtheprodukkt: the last member in the entry is a string with the possible values in the .cfg file
15:44:15theprodukktjust wanted to write i found it
15:44:27LinusN:-)
15:44:48theprodukktexcuse me (but its so much easier 2 ask... :)
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15:47:12theprodukktif i want to commit a patch, should i comment difficult parts first?
15:47:35LinusNyou comment what you feel is necessary
15:47:50theprodukktdo long comments bother you?
15:48:11LinusNnot if they are relevant
15:49:07LinusNtheprodukkt: if you want the patch included in cvs, you need to make sure that it can be compiled on all platforms
15:52:12goffawow... had a .trash folder on my player.. freed up 2gb deleting that.. i'm guessing ubuntu put it there when i deleted stuff
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15:54:53theprodukktlinus, why should a patch that runs on h3x0 not run on other platforms?
15:55:19aliaskNot all targets have things like colour screens, or the same buttons, etc.
15:55:43theprodukkt(do i have to compile it for each platform or can i check it theoritcally (sorry for that word, hope u can understand))
15:56:12theprodukktmy patch is about the tagcache, doesnt touch anything with the frontend like colors buttons, ..
15:56:43theprodukktthe functions (c++) should be the same on all platforms nor?
15:57:00LinusNtheprodukkt: then it's likely to work for all platforms that support tag cache
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15:57:44LinusNtheprodukkt: submit the patch, and we'll tell you if it is ok
15:58:16LinusNgotta go, cu around
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16:09:30Mikachui think the latest commit in Tremor was bad
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16:09:48Mikachuhad some problems with ogg files, reverted it and it seems fine
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16:09:58Mikachubut maybe not
16:10:51linuxstbMikachu: Nice bug report :)
16:11:08Mikachui am still testing
16:11:12Mikachuit is sort of random
16:11:23Mikachuit just start skipping ahead very fast suddenly
16:11:27Mikachuand then crashes
16:11:50linuxstbDon't you have 1001 other patches in your build though? Or are you testing with CVS?
16:11:57Mikachui do
16:12:14Mikachuand i'm not
16:12:41Mikachunobody else had any problems then?
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16:13:46Mikachubut the debug screen showed 85% usage for the codec thread, i thought that was a bit odd
16:14:05Mikachuand that latest patch comments out two frees
16:14:46linuxstbYou should speak to Lear about it - he's our vorbis guru.
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16:15:22Mikachuokay
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16:15:48Rincewindhi
16:16:26Mikachulinuxstb: if the stack grew due to a leak in vorbis, would that then also affect mp3 files, or is the stack cleared on codec swaps?
16:17:14Rincewindi get an error in star_tiles.10x10.grey.c when I compile: "syntax error before '-' token (h120) can someone confirm this?
16:17:17linuxstbI would assume it's cleared on codec swaps.
16:17:39Mikachuhm, then it might be something completely different
16:17:49Mikachui can't try anything more drastic until i get home though
16:18:55Mikachuwould rb crash if the codec stack overflows or is it only the main stack?
16:19:38Mikachui've listened to 3 songs now and it's at 14% still, so i think something was fishy before
16:19:44linuxstbI'm not sure exactly where the codec stack is, so don't know where it would overflow to. But obviously stack overflows are generally a bad thing...
16:20:32Mikachuokay, thanks. i'll not bother´you more until i've got home and try cvs
16:20:54linuxstbBut why do you think it's the stack? That's unrelated to the codec malloc/free - which should fail to allocate more memory than is available.
16:21:14Mikachui dunno, just guessing
16:21:22Mikachuand that it showed 85%
16:22:11linuxstbIt would show 100% if there was an overflow (or probably actually tell you there's an overflow and stop)
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16:26:38Mikachunevertheless it still seems to be working fine... but it sometimes worked this long before too...
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16:34:54theprodukktif i want to commit a patch which has a new entry in the .lang file, do i have to add this entry to all .lang files?
16:35:31Mikachuokay, it's doing it now
16:35:48linuxstbtheprodukkt: No, just the English.
16:36:32Mikachu(and the stack at 90%)
16:36:57theprodukktmay i also add more (im already ready with the german)
16:36:57Mikachurebooted and it is still doing it, with stack at 14%
16:37:02Mikachuso i guess that's not it then
16:40:41linuxstbtheprodukkt: I can't think of a reason why not.
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16:44:37theprodukkti can... if i add 33 languages the patchfile would be much bigger
16:45:13theprodukktsome people (like me) like smaller files :) (maybe im ill because of my 64k connection)
16:45:34linuxstbI'm assuming you were only planning on one or two languages...
16:45:48theprodukktyes
16:45:51theprodukktthats right
16:46:08theprodukkti just wanted to know if the limit is already reached with 2
16:46:12theprodukktnevermind!
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16:47:23Genre9mp3Sometimes while recording the peak meters stop responding (probably when the disk spins)... Is this on purpose or is it a bug? Anyone know?
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16:51:37barrywardelli'm ready to make the patch for the h10
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16:51:54barrywardelldo i just do a "cvs diff -uN"
16:52:12barrywardellthat doesn't seem to include the new files I have in target/arm/iriver/h10
16:53:14Mikachuyou have to cvs add them
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16:53:50barrywardelldoh! of course. i'm so stupid!
16:53:52theprodukktcan i do the patch also with diff?
16:54:22Genre9mp3barrywardell: Are you working on H10 port?
16:54:27barrywardellhmm. "add" requires write access to the repository
16:54:54barrywardellGenre9mp3: I have been
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16:55:05barrywardellbut hit a snag. messed up the hdd
16:55:39Genre9mp3hmmm...I hope you'll manage to recover that
16:56:03webguest03barrywardell: either use cvsdo add, or diff them against /dev/null and append them to your diff
16:57:22Genre9mp3An H10 port would be quite interesting.... barrywardell, best of luck with that
16:57:36Genre9mp3And with the messed HDD of course, first
16:58:22barrywardelli'm sending it back to iriver for repair. if they don't notice I messed it up and repair it for free, then I plan to get back to working on the port
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17:03:56theprodukktwhat happend to the HDD
17:05:08barrywardellnot too sure really
17:05:28theprodukkti dont know the h10
17:05:40barrywardelli was running some test code and when i tried to connect it back up to my comp it wouldn't mount
17:06:01BigMacanyone use eac for their flac ripping
17:06:02barrywardelli've tried fdisk, mkfs, all that stuff
17:06:02goffawould it boot?
17:06:29barrywardellit boots the bootloader off flash memory, but as soon as it tries to access the disk it fails
17:06:34goffaah
17:06:41goffayeah.. drive's gotta be toast
17:07:00theprodukktcan u access it from pc?
17:07:07theprodukktif u connect the hdd directly
17:07:22goffaworse case scenario.. if they don't fix it you should be able to replace the hd with something bigger
17:07:39theprodukkt(may i add myself to the credits when commiting a patch? (on the first place ;)?)
17:08:07anton_omg rockbox seems soo cool! is it easy to install?
17:08:15goffayeah.. i think you did the right thing by sending it in barrywardell
17:08:19anton_on a 4g ipod
17:08:34theprodukktgoffa, im not sure about that
17:08:34goffabecause opening it would have voided the warranty for sure
17:08:47theprodukktif iriver even dont repair their players due to rockbox..
17:09:06theprodukktthey should notice the bootloader...
17:09:09barrywardellit's a 1.8" hdd. don't know how i would connect that to a computer
17:09:36theprodukktthere are adapters, maybe u can build it yourself, lets take a look at google
17:09:42goffaif it can't see the .rockbox folder it should default back to iriver
17:09:47goffaso they'll see a brief -1
17:09:47theprodukktbut i think i heared something bout that
17:09:53goffathen it should go into iriver
17:10:05goffaand they might not catch that
17:10:19theprodukktthe bootloader?
17:11:21goffayeah
17:11:38goffaat least it was that way on my 140.. i had a functioning hd so i was able to get default back on
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17:11:48goffabut when i deleted my rockbox folder it defaulted to iriver firmware
17:12:21goffai mean sending it in is a gamble.. but cracking the case is a way to guaruntee a voided warranty
17:13:16theprodukktdo u have to pay the post costs?
17:13:23theprodukktwould they notice a cracked case?
17:13:31barrywardellyes. to send to them
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17:16:02anton_the install manual tells me to get this file
17:16:03anton_http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation/ipodpatcher.exe
17:16:11anton_but its just access denied
17:16:18barrywardellnot sure if they would notice an opened case
17:16:20anton_can I get it somewhere else?
17:17:39anton_help
17:18:07linuxstbanton_: If you go to this page first, and then try to download it from the link at the bottom, does it work? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
17:19:02anton_yes thanxbye
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17:20:57anton_"Extract the Apple firmware from the partition image image just created:"
17:21:06linuxstbBagder: What do you think about moving the ipod installation programs and bootloaders to somewhere on http://download.rockbox.org ?
17:21:14anton_does this mean I'll always have a backup from my ipod?
17:21:57linuxstbA backup of the original firmware, yes.
17:22:04anton_ok
17:22:23linuxstbSo to uninstall the Rockbox bootloader, you just write that bootpartition.bin file back.
17:22:30anton_ok
17:22:32anton_hehe
17:22:51anton_ill see if I need that apple junk after this killerapp
17:22:51anton_^^
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17:32:52BigMacanyone here use eac
17:37:54anton_when Ive installed rockbox and booted the player up, i got to a menu with the old "calendar, contacts, notes" and "rockbox" when executing rockbox I just get to seethe splashscreen and then back to the same menu
17:38:18linuxstbYou are in Rockbox's file browser...
17:38:24linuxstbI suggest you read the manual
17:38:45anton_haha
17:38:51anton_I did read the manual
17:38:51anton_before
17:38:56anton_now ill read it agina
17:38:59anton_bye
17:39:01linuxstb:) It isn't a menu - those are the folders on your disk.
17:39:59barrywardellThe patch is in the tracker now. But be warned, I did brick my H10 using this stuff
17:40:07linuxstbanton_: There is a hidden directory called ipod_control where itunes has hidden your music (and renamed it to funny names). Search for tagcache in the manual and enable it - or copy your music to your ipod using windows explorer.
17:40:30barrywardellalso, it's under Battery/Charging for some reason. Must have selected that by mistake
17:41:34linuxstbI've just changed it to "build environment". Probably still not accurate, but better than battery/charging.
17:42:24barrywardellfeel free to have a look at it when you get the chance.
17:42:43barrywardellhopefully i will be able to work on it again, so any feedback is welcome
17:45:18linuxstbWhere do you have to send your iriver to? Somewhere in Europe?
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17:54:52A_Msnprintf(string2, MAX_PATH, "%s%s", string1, string2);
17:54:56A_MBecause of the order the strings are copied I get string1 twice with the code above.
17:55:02A_MWhat would be the best way to combine the two strings in the desired order without resorting to a temp string?
17:57:20dan_aA_M: Would strncat work?
17:59:00A_M*blushes* forgot about strncat. been a while since I coded in C. I'll give it a try.
17:59:26dan_aIt might well have the same problem
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18:37:11senabcan i just ask is the unix version of a batch (.bat) file a .sh file?
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18:39:17linuxstb_senab: Yes.
18:39:36senabthanks
18:40:20linuxstb_BTW, just read the last post in the thread about your experimental build - what is the "scrolling status bar thing" ?
18:40:48senabi think it's the scrolling optimization patch
18:41:02senabthe numbers at the top tellin you how quick you're scrolling
18:41:20linuxstb_Ah, OK. So nothing that's in CVS rockbox then.
18:41:29senabno, it's a patch
18:42:11senabso with these shell scripts could i automize the compiling of all my builds?
18:42:24senabwould 'make' work in a sh?
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18:43:03linuxstb_Yes.
18:43:22linuxstb_Are you running linux, or something else unix-like?
18:43:56senabat the moment cygwin, but i've got ubuntu as a dual boot and i'm going to setup the cross compiler over the weekend
18:44:17pondlifeDammit, missed Paul_The_Nerd again!!
18:45:34pondlifeIs there an Archos owner out there who fancies testing a little bug fix? If so, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5690 awaits your compiler...
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18:45:58linuxstb_senab: The only slightly tricky bit would be the configure scripts. But something like: "(echo 13 ; echo N) | ../tools/configure" would work.
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18:46:43senabthanks
18:46:52senabwould sh work in cygwin as a tester?
18:46:57linuxstb_Yes.
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18:47:35senabok i'll start write a small tester now
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18:52:47senablinuxstb: can u comment shell files aswell? i'm guessing with #
18:54:33filRsenab: yes, # for comments in (ba)sh files.
18:55:23senabthanks
18:56:01filRnp.
18:56:40senabwould you mind looking over this to see if its looks ok? http://kingshurst.digitalbrain.com/kingshurst/accounts/pupils/christopherba/web/Public/build.sh
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18:58:29linuxstbsenab: I would write "make && make zip" - which means the zip file is only created if the make was successful.
18:58:55senabbut other than that it should work?
18:59:11linuxstbUnless there's anything subtle that I've missed, yes.
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19:00:06senabthanks, it should save me a lot of time next time, i had to manually do 8 builds today, took me about an hour and waiting....
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19:16:56filRthis isn't really channel specific, but does anyone use flac (console/standalone binary) on intel macs?
19:19:55linuxstbNo, but what's the problem?
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19:24:39filRwell, i have found no universal binary, and i can't really get it to compile (haven't tried much more than downloaded source, ./configure, make though)
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19:31:41dan_aAaargh... trying to use the coprocessor on the iPod makes my head hurt!
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19:41:03linuxstbfilR: Try the CVS source - maybe it's been fixed since the last release. Also, maybe rarewares.org has a binary.
19:41:53linuxstbdan_a: How far have you got?
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19:44:47aarondforgot how the vorbis quality thing works, should I just set a bitrate instead?
19:45:16filRlinuxstb: thanks for the tip, i will try it.
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19:46:39aarondI'll got with bitrate :)
19:46:56Mikachui think doing that will give lower quality at the same bitrate
19:47:20Mikachuat least in theory
19:47:49linuxstbaarond: I think in general, with VBR codecs, it's best to give them a quality setting, rather than try to constraint the bitrate.
19:48:10Mikachuaarond: 3 usually gives around 110
19:48:31aarondit alows vbr but lets you set a base bitrate I think
19:48:56aarondand its set as 3 by default, thats good?
19:49:15Mikachui'm no quality freak, but i've never heard any artifacts at 3
19:49:26aarondI'll give it a try
19:50:19aarondwas having second thoughts about going ogg but I already converted to AAC and have the original flac so it doesnt matter :)
19:51:03aarondbe nice if the AAC worked in rockbox, I though about converting to aiff then using itunes to convert to AAC
19:51:05dan_alinuxstb: I'm just trying to get to the point where I can call a C function ("cop_main()") when the COP is woken, but it doesn't seem to enter that function ever.
19:51:09dan_abrb
19:51:31aarondshould I up one of my AAC files that rockbox doesnt like?
19:51:59aarondyesterday someone was saying something about testing a patch
19:52:11aarondI dont think Id be able to do that myself
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19:53:37linuxstbaarond: I'm collecting non-working AAC files, but have no immediately plans to do anything with them.
19:54:06aarondoh ok cool
19:55:16aarondI think its just this program, it has 2 mp4 in the list, one is movie and I tried that just now but when I found out it was movie I didnt bother loading it up to test
19:55:39aarondIm sure if I used itunes it would work
19:56:04aarondI wasnt wanting you to fix it, just trying to help by offering a test file
19:57:51aarondlistened using flac last night and it kicked ass
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20:22:33dan_alinuxstb (or anyone else who has thought about it): What will have to be done at startup before the coprocessor can be used?
20:24:15dan_aUsing common sense, I thought it was probably wait for the main processor to do the code relocation, set up some stack, set up interrupts and then I should be able to branch into main.c
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20:28:10goffahmm.. rockbox support the gigabeat yet?
20:28:49goffalooks like it
20:29:04markungoffa: not yet
20:29:33markunwe discuss our progress in #gigabeat
20:29:59goffaok
20:30:25goffai'm not short on players.. but ebay has a hell of a deal right now
20:30:28goffa$139
20:30:33goffa40gb
20:31:00goffarefub though
20:31:03goffabut that seams cheap
20:33:37linuxstbdan_a: I think you'll at least need to set up a stack.
20:34:05linuxstb(a separate stack for the COP)
20:34:12dan_aDo I need to do some definitions in app.lds or something?
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20:39:00dan_aMy thinking at the moment is that once I can branch into main.c, I'll put a patch on Flyspray just to do that much, so that if anyone else wants to experiment with the COP it's a lot easier.
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21:02:01dionoeadan_a: are you working on supporting dual core on the PP5020 ?
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21:02:27dan_adionoea: I want to try to
21:02:33dionoeaneat :)
21:02:35LandusWell.
21:02:37LandusThat was gay.
21:02:59LandusKept on getting a BSOD everytime I tried building todays source for Rockbox.
21:03:00dionoeadan_a: did you already do stuff like that before ? or just improvising ?
21:03:07Landus:(
21:03:14dionoeaLandus: maybe your CPU is overheating
21:03:19LandusIt wasn't that.
21:03:27LandusI finally figured it out after looking at the error codes.
21:03:41LandusIt was the driver for the Tobisha harddrive in my Iriver.
21:03:56dan_adionoea: I'm just improvising really. The first step will be useful to anyone else who tries, and that's just to make the thing boot.
21:04:01LandusFor some reason, trying to get the Makefile by ../tools/configure made it crash.
21:04:18dan_aAfter that I'm going to try running the codec thread on it
21:04:18dionoeadan_a: if you need any help, i'm willing to improvise too :)
21:04:28dan_a:D
21:04:33LandusUnplugging my Iriver from my computer took care of the problem.
21:04:37LandusBloody annoying, though.
21:04:45dionoeaLandus: that's kind of weird
21:04:57LandusYeah.
21:05:14LandusDunno why it was crashing, but when I looked closer and saw it was a driver error.
21:05:32LandusI looked through the drivers running and saw the HD driver for my Iriver.
21:05:36LandusUnplugged it and volia.
21:05:43LandusNo BSOD crashing my computer.
21:05:51dionoeado both cores run at the same clock speed ?
21:06:15LandusI dunno for my Iriver.
21:06:24LandusWhat it is.
21:06:26LandusSo I can't say.
21:06:38dionoeahehe, that question was for dan_a :)
21:06:44LandusOh.
21:07:17dan_adionoea: I don't know. From what I've read, you can clock the COP slower than the main processor (if anyone works out how to do it)
21:07:44dan_aAt the moment, I'm just trying to figure out what needs doing before you can branch into main.c
21:09:19*dionoea reads main.c
21:09:19dan_aLandus: That's the weirdest problem I've ever heard of!
21:09:34LandusYeah.
21:09:41LandusAnyway.
21:09:45LandusTime to patch things.
21:09:51dan_adionoea: main.c is where the main program starts from, but the processors are set up in crt0.S
21:09:59LandusHopefully, this should fix the problem I'm having on my Iriver.
21:10:04LandusSome songs will skip.
21:10:06LandusRandomly.
21:10:08dionoeayeah, i looked at crt0.S the other day ... didn't understand much though
21:10:09LandusWhile others don't.
21:10:22LandusIf I run the songs in the official firmware, they don't skip.
21:10:34LandusRan a defrag and a scan disk on the Iriver.
21:10:41LandusThen put the songs back on.
21:10:45LandusStill didn't fix anything.
21:12:07dan_adionoea: Do you have a copy of the ARM instruction set? http://www.security-protocols.com/resources/ARM/QRC0001H_rvct_v2.1_arm.pdf
21:12:18*dionoea printed those yesterday
21:12:53*dan_a gets confused with all the different addressing modes
21:13:05dionoeai also had a look at the ipodlinux.org page about pp5020
21:13:10dionoeaand that's about all i did :)
21:14:51dionoeadan_a: were do they define Addressing Mode 1 ?
21:15:58dionoeamaybe it doesn't exist, i can't find any reference to it
21:16:22dan_aI don't think it does exist
21:17:59dionoeado you like init the CPU first, start the main thread, then init the COP and fork ?
21:19:21dionoeabtw, does ipod linux use the COP or not ?
21:20:09dan_aI think that you init the CPUs at the same time, and put the COP to sleep once enough has been done on it with the next instruction for when it wakes up being something like "bl cop_main" to take it to a function called cop_main
21:20:38dan_aipod linux uses the COP to service fast interrupts (FIQs)
21:20:54LandusAlright.
21:21:01LandusI really can't find the FAQ for this again.
21:21:06linuxstbI think their video player might also use it as well - and maybe other projects have played with it.
21:21:07LandusOnce I make the source.
21:21:11LandusApply patches.
21:21:22LandusDo I need to do anything else, or can I just 'make zip'?
21:21:27dionoeamake fullzip
21:23:08dan_alinuxstb: What other projects are there?
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21:25:25linuxstbdan_a: I can't remember - I've just remember reading things in their forums about people experimenting with the COP.
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21:29:26dionoeahum ... what do they call "Java state" on ARMs ?
21:31:38dan_adionoea: I think that's a different set of instructions which we can ignore.
21:32:03*dan_a adds "writing embedded firmware for dummies" to his Amazon wishlist
21:32:09dionoea:D
21:35:03dionoeawhat do "exclusive addresses" refer to ? (some protection layer for things like mutexes ?)
21:39:03dan_adionoea: It's in the section about semaphore operation, so I'd assume they are for semaphores!
21:39:42dan_aAnyway, it's Friday night where I am... time to go out!
21:39:54dionoeahehe
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21:46:07LandusYay.
21:46:17LandusI think the firmware upgrade fixed this song skipping problem.
21:48:21LandusUh-oh.
21:48:27LandusIt's a setting problem.
21:48:30LandusI just reloaded my settings.
21:48:37LandusAnd the skipping came back.
21:48:38Landus: (
21:49:12dionoeait only occurs with WPS which update often i think
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21:49:21dionoealike those with peak meters
21:49:32dionoea(or whatever they're called)
21:49:33LandusWell.
21:49:39LandusI've got two config files.
21:49:44LandusOne that I saved today.
21:49:48LandusOne I saved about a week ago.
21:49:53LandusI loaded the one from a week ago.
21:49:57LandusAnd the skipping is gone.
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22:05:40midkayit also occurs majorly with EQ and/or crossfeed on.
22:06:01midkayboth combined, and you're likely to hear more silence than playback, I think.
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22:17:05LandusIs it possible to add Replaygain tags to Ogg Vorbis files that don't decrease or increase anything?
22:17:26LandusSo the value is like 0.00
22:18:12Mikachuust add it and write 0 i guess?
22:18:20LandusHow would I do it.
22:18:30LandusWait.
22:18:40LandusIt'd be over 1100 songs I'd have to do this too.
22:19:15Mikachuwhy though?
22:19:53Mikachuare you using linux?
22:20:17*linuxstb just made his first recording on an ipod
22:20:30Bgerlinuxstb: congrats! ;)
22:20:38Mikachuhooray!
22:20:44Bgerw00t :P
22:20:54Bgerlinuxstb: working on ipod recording ?
22:21:09linuxstbYep.
22:21:17Bgerc00l
22:21:33Mikachuany idea if it might work on nanos?
22:21:47linuxstbNo - I'm 99% sure there's no recording hardware in a nano.
22:21:59Mikachuokay, that is what i thiught too
22:23:03linuxstbI can make a quick Nano build if you want to test though. Just to satisfy our curiosity.
22:23:47linuxstbIt's recording via the right-channel of the headphone jack - I'm using the original white earbuds as a mic :)
22:24:22Mikachuany chance it has a self destruct command at the same adress?
22:24:34linuxstbYou know I can't guarantee that...
22:24:52Mikachui'll give it a shot
22:25:04linuxstbAre you happy with a binary?
22:25:15Mikachuyeah
22:25:51LandusMikachu: No. The Prevent Clipping option in Rockbox requires Replaygain tags for it to work.
22:26:00linuxstbOK, compiling now. Playback doesn't work in this build (the FIQ is hard-coded to record), so don't forget to revert to your own build.
22:26:46Mikachuit will have a Record entry in the menu?
22:27:47linuxstbYes. As soon as you go into the recording screen, you should see the recording peakmeters go up and down. If not, then it's not working.
22:27:56Mikachuokay
22:28:27linuxstbThe peakmeters work by analysing the PCM data read from the ADC - similar to the playback peakmeters. So if the peakmeters work, then it means the data is being read successfully.
22:29:26linuxstbhttp://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-nanorec.zip
22:30:08Bgerout of curiosity, what does this FIQ stand for ? :)
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22:30:22linuxstbBg3r: Fast Interrupt - it's an ARM thing.
22:30:38Mikachulinuxstb: i already have normal cvs on for testing, is it okay to just replace rockbox.ipod?
22:31:04linuxstbYes, should work.
22:31:31Bgerlinuxstb: ah, okay
22:31:34Mikachuexplorer won't let you call a dir .rockbox so it's a bit of a hassle to rename the old one etc
22:32:40LandusStrange.
22:33:03LandusThat one option that tells you if your going to wipe your dynamic playlist isn't working anymore.
22:33:32Mikachulinuxstb: how do i in fact work the screen?
22:33:49Mikachuthe meters are moving a tiny bit
22:33:53Mikachuat the very left
22:34:04Mikachubut i only seem to be able to change the volume
22:34:12linuxstbWhat earbuds are you using?
22:34:43Mikachuthe ipod ones
22:35:00linuxstbTapping them on the desk causes my peakmeters to go to full.
22:35:12linuxstbSo if that's not happening for you, I guess it's not working.
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22:35:57linuxstbNone of the options in the screen do anything yet - apart from pressing SELECT to start/stop a recording.
22:36:10linuxstbI also forgot to define a QUIT key....
22:36:18Mikachui got some sort of funny static only
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22:37:32linuxstbIs the "fiq:" line being displayed on your screen (it should be the last line).
22:38:31webguest26hi, is there any chance that the sudoku level generator patch could be committed, please http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5519
22:39:04Galoisyes the fiq: line shows up on nano
22:39:21Mikachulinuxstb: yeah it has some random number
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22:40:36Mikachuno maxing on tapping though
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22:53:07dionoealinuxstb: will your recording thing work on 5G ipods ?
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23:00:33linuxstbdionoea: No - this is specific to the 4gs at the moment. But I've got a 5g, and plan to try and get recording working on there as well.
23:00:57Mikachuwould the number give you any info?
23:00:58dionoeathat won't work through the headphone jack though ?
23:02:58Bgerwow ... Rockbox WPS cover creator plugin for amarok
23:03:49Bagderhaha
23:04:51nudelynconvert.exe -resize 100x100 {filepath$} cover.bmp
23:04:51nudelynattrib +H cover.bmp
23:04:53nudelynworks for me :)
23:04:54Mikachuthose crazy kders
23:04:56Bgerand not only this, but it's in 'Most Downloads' on 17 position
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23:05:33linuxstbMikachu: Not really. I'm assuming it's increasing if you're getting some kind of peakmeter displayed.
23:05:57Mikachui think it was yeah
23:06:13linuxstbdionoea: We don't know yet - no-one's tried it. But it seems unlikely - the official recording hardware for the 5g attaches to the dock, not the headphone jack like earlier ipods.
23:06:29Mikachubut the recorded wav was probably not related to what happened with the earbuds
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23:07:43Mikachuno chance of line in pins in the dock on the nano i suppose
23:07:46dionoeahow do i check if a file is in binary mode in CVS before commiting ?
23:08:01Mikachutry cvs status file
23:08:03Bgerdionoea: how did u add it ?
23:08:08dionoeacvs add -kb
23:09:07linuxstbdionoea: Or look in CVS/Entries in the directory containing the file.
23:09:33dionoeathanks :)
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23:19:21moixahi all. i am trying to build a bootloader.bin for integrating the dual boot patch for my (new! ;-) x5. however, the output file in my build directory does not have the COWON_X5_FW signature.. what am I missing?
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23:23:11Bagderhm, I'll check
23:25:05moixajust to make sure I am doing it correctly: 1. check out source 2. apply patch 3. mkdir build 4. configure; 12; b(ootloader) 4. make. that should be it, nah?
23:25:56dionoeahmmm ... could someone add me to the list of persons who can accept a task on flyspray?
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23:26:43Bagderdionoea: done
23:27:06dionoeathanks :)
23:27:39Paul_The_Nerdmoixa: assuming between 3 and 4 you go into the build folder, yes.
23:27:43Mikachulinuxstb: it looks like plain cvs looks fine, i guess no one is really surprised
23:27:46Paul_The_Nerdmoixa: You're patching an iPod Bootloader?
23:27:58moixax5
23:28:08dionoeaBagder: is there any plan to remove the really old tasks ?
23:28:30Bagderwe should, yes
23:28:31moixaPaul_The_Nerd: but i am using the mkboot-x5 from task 5289
23:28:44Paul_The_Nerdmoixa: Aren't there precompiled X5 bootloaders?
23:29:53linuxstbMikachu: What do you mean? ("it looks like plain cvs looks fine")
23:29:54Bagdermoixa: you need to run tools/scramble on the bootloader.bin file
23:29:55Paul_The_NerdI mean, even with that patch, I thought the only think you needed to compile was the mkboot
23:29:57Bagderiirc
23:30:23Bagderthinking about it, one can wonder why the build doesn't do that
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23:31:41moixabadger: yes, one might.. ;-)
23:31:55dionoeaBagder: if i wan't to begin closing old tasks, should i like flag them and ask someone to review ?
23:32:21dionoea(i'd only do that for things which obviously don't apply to rockbox anymore)
23:32:44Bagderif they truly are *really old* you can close them by your own judgement
23:32:48Paul_The_Nerddionoea: I think the rule is "Trust yourself" in general.
23:33:09dionoeaok
23:33:14Bagderwe
23:33:25moixaPaul_The_Nerd: you have to patch the original firmware to incorporate the dual booting
23:33:26Bagder'll come running with sticks when we think you did wrong! ;-)
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23:33:57Paul_The_Nerdmoixa: Yeah, but isn't that what mkboot is for?
23:34:00Rincewindhi
23:34:07BagderPaul_The_Nerd: the x5 dual-boot is not yet in CVS
23:34:20dionoeaBagder: hehe :)
23:34:31Paul_The_NerdBagder: Yeah, but I thought that the .bin file was available, and you use a modified mkboot to merge it with the official firmware image?
23:34:43Bagderno, its an alternative mkboot rather
23:35:01BagderI've tried hard to make raenye use mkboot for it
23:36:45moixabadger: i see why he did not want to btw. its quite a difference between them. but anyway, sooner or later everything will have to be converged.
23:36:53Bagderwell
23:37:00BagderI want _one_ tool that does the magic
23:37:04Bagderno matter what platform
23:37:08moixaclear.
23:37:22moixafor being in cvs i would set that standard as well.
23:37:38Bagderif even mkboot could invoke the x5-mkboot
23:37:39nlsI played around with the -O settings on Tremor for the h300 ad got the following results (if anyone is interested): -O0 and -O3 didn't fit IRAM O1 about 40% boost -O2(currently used in cvs) 28% boost -Os 28% boost but 6kb smaller vorbis.codec file.
23:37:43moixawill mkboot stay as it is now or will you use a different process later on?
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23:38:25Bagdermoixa: mkboot is the tool for doing dual-boot patching for irivers and it is likely to remain
23:39:52RincewindIs someone here who helped programming tagcache?
23:39:53moixabadger: the thingie still doesnt work. why is he checking for tst.b 30000000 as bootloader start anyway?
23:41:32BagderI don't remember many details on that, I haven't digged around in those areas for many months
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23:52:41Mikachuhm, is file.c not supposed to compile with DIRCACHE and MULTIVOLUME?
23:52:46Mikachu fat_open(IF_MV2(unsupported at the moment,)
23:53:08Mikachucommon/file.c:118: error: 'unsupported' undeclared (first use in this function)
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23:57:53Mikachuit is possible i just missed something, i'll disable MV for now

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