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#rockbox log for 2006-07-30

00:00:09 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:00:23scorcheI dont use autoresume because of if i put my archos in my backpack, pocket, or something, if it turns on, the idle poweroff wont set in
00:00:48scorcheand it really isnt hard to just press "on" once you start the unit up
00:01:16amiconnYeah, especially if you have rockbox in flash
00:01:51Mikachuthey don't have a hold button?
00:01:53amiconnThen you can just tap ON-ON. Rockbox will catch the second ON press and queue it until it's ready to resume
00:02:04amiconnMikachu: nope
00:02:26Mikachuthey come in handy
00:02:39amiconnI don't miss hold on the archos
00:02:48scorchei dont either
00:02:53amiconnOn H300 it's also not strictly necessary
00:03:03amiconnThe H1x0 and the ipods absolutely need it
00:03:19amiconn(and I _hate_ it)
00:03:27Genre9mp3Well, on Ondio would be useful
00:03:28Mikachuone of the crazy things i did was move volume setting from wps to the quick screen
00:04:27midkaywhy the ipods, amiconn?
00:04:36midkayah. well.. the wheel.. never mind.
00:04:39midkay:)
00:04:59amiconnGenre9mp3: I also don't miss hold on Ondio. The only annoying thing (accidentally starting to record radio) was solved by introducing a double click
00:05:08Mikachuactually, the inside of my pocket doesn't affect the wheel, i can even scroll it with my finger through the fabric
00:05:19amiconnReally?
00:05:29Mikachuyeah, my jeans pocket
00:05:36amiconnI sometimes can't even scroll the wheel with my finger...
00:05:41Mikachuheh
00:05:48amiconn...without something in between
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00:06:12*amiconn hates the wheel and the hold switch
00:06:42Genre9mp3Well, to tell you the truth, I haven't used Ondio much, yet... but since it's tiny enough to put in a jeans pocket, I imagine that a hold switch would be useful
00:07:12*Genre9mp3 wonders why amiconn hates the hold switch
00:07:32amiconnWhy? Because it's always on when I don't expect it to be on...
00:07:33Genre9mp3I totally understand about the wheel though! :P
00:07:39Mikachuheh
00:09:53Bagdercommitter number 57 was just added
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00:14:24webguest46number 57 huh, well he can start with this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2808 :))
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00:18:12freqmodcvs co rockbox;cd rockbox-build; make; make zip; cd /mnt/ipod; unzip .../rockbox.zip; <umount> <boot rockbox> <play file>: Data abort at 01f05838 :(
00:19:01Mikachupwned
00:19:28freqmods/play file/play ogg file/ (gcc 4.0.3), worked before update
00:20:04Mikachuyou don't have a rockbox.X file both in / and in /.rockbox or something?
00:20:13freqmodwill check
00:21:42freqmodnope
00:23:15freqmodls: http://pastebin.ca/105784
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00:24:00linuxstb_freqmod: That address is in a codec. What music files are you playing?
00:24:21freqmod[00:19] <freqmod> s/play file/play ogg file/ (gcc 4.0.3), worked before update
00:26:20linuxstb_Can you look up that address in rockbox-build/apps/codecs/vorbis.map and tell us which function it is in?
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00:28:23freqmodno, not found (vorbis .map: http://pastebin.ca/105820 ), I will get a new adress
00:29:18freqmod01F05838
00:29:48Mikachuthat is the same
00:29:51linuxstb_According to your vorbis.map, it's towards the end of the ogg_sync_create() function.
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00:32:19freqmodhttp://pastebin.ca/105826 ?
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00:37:23linuxstbYes, but I think the problem must be elsewhere. But I don't know the vorbis codec at all.
00:38:46freqmodit does not seem that the vorbis codec has changed since it worked :/
00:40:06freqmod(it worked after 2006.07.25)
00:40:21amiconnThe last change in Tremor happened 4 days ago
00:40:43amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/Tremor/sharedbook.c.diff?r1=1.5&r2=1.6&sortby=date
00:41:03freqmod2006.07.25
00:43:06freqmodspeex crashed in ogg_stream_pagein
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00:43:37amiconnStrange....
00:43:46amiconnI get different addresses in my .map
00:44:03freqmodcould someone (else) test ipod with latest cvs?
00:44:12amiconnWhile this is for a different ipod, the codec addresses should be all the same, shouldn't they?
00:44:43dionoeare
00:45:01freqmodas (AFAIK) all ipods (except 60GB's) is run with 32 MB memory i think so
00:45:13amiconnfreqmod: arm-elf-gcc -v ?
00:45:18amiconnMine is 4.0.3
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00:46:11freqmodhttp://pastebin.ca/105837 (3.0.2)
00:46:14freqmodehh 4.0.3
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00:47:31freqmodhost:x86_64
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00:48:20linuxstb_My vorbis.map matches freqmod - for my ipod Color with arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2
00:48:34linuxstb_(x86 Linux host)
00:48:36amiconnStrange... I compared your .map with mine
00:48:58amiconnThey start to differ at ov_pcm_seek_page()
00:49:03amiconncygwin here
00:49:12linuxstb_Different linking order?
00:49:17amiconnNope
00:49:53amiconnmy ov_pcm_seek_page() has a size of 0x9f0 bytes. freqmod's has a size of 0xa20 bytes
00:50:10freqmodrockbox (not pure cvs) won't reboot when usb is inserted & codec (that works) is playing, but clicks work when the usb cable is removed again
00:52:43freqmodi think the simplest way to fix it is to download old revisions of cvs and check when it works again
00:56:42amiconnHmm. When building on debian-amd64 I get the same vorbis.map as freqmod
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01:00:17*freqmod checks out cvs from 25.07.2006
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01:03:49webguest78jdGordon, is your insert random patch going to be committed ?
01:04:10JdGordonhopefully.. i dunno
01:04:39webguest78is your online build system up and runing ?
01:05:32JdGordonno
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01:09:25*freqmod checks out cvs from 28.07.2006 (25.07.2006 works, with cleaned .rockbox folder)
01:11:03amiconnOdd...
01:11:48amiconnvorbis.codec binaries built under Linux (both x86 and amd64) become 52 bytes larger than those built under cygwin
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01:12:00amiconnSame gcc version, plain cvs
01:13:04amiconnI don't think that's supposed to happen.
01:13:08JdGordonhaha wierd...
01:13:14JdGordondoes t happen for any other files?
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01:13:27amiconnJdGordon: Maybe... didn't check
01:13:45k8todid you do a bindiff?
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01:14:05amiconnI checked vorbis.map
01:14:38amiconnIt's the same binutils version (2.16.1) and the same gcc version (4.0.3)
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01:27:36freqmodhave someone tried to reproduce the bug with cleaned .rockbox directory and make fullzip
01:28:51freqmods/have/has/
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01:30:15secleinteerhey, i'm having problems w/ songs skipping in today's build for the ipod photo
01:30:18secleinteeris there a fix for this?
01:35:20*freqmod can play ogg files (on ipod) when .rockbox is made from scratch
01:36:56secleinteerok........
01:37:22*freqmod recomends to use yesterday's build if that worked
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01:39:06secleinteeri just started using rockbox today
01:39:33freqmodwhat kind of files are skipping?
01:39:37secleinteermp3's
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01:40:17freqmodwhich bitrate?
01:40:54secleinteerlemme check
01:41:18secleinteer320 kbps
01:43:01freqmodmaybe to high bitrate, check with a 128kbps file, if that works then the mp3 decoder is to slow for the ipod processor, it has to be more optimized, which ain't likely as it is already quite optimized.
01:43:32secleinteerit works just fine with the apple os - is there a reason it's not possible w/ rockbox?
01:43:49JdGordonthe ipod code isnt ptimized much yet
01:43:55secleinteerk
01:44:35secleinteerand how do you make a rockbox font?
01:44:51freqmodwindows or linux?
01:44:56freqmodor mac?
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01:45:45secleinteerwindows
01:46:09freqmodwindows or (preferably) linux: download fontforge and use convbdf from the rockbox tools directory in the source (compiled with cygwin)
01:46:27freqmodfontforge writes bdf files (and reads at least ttf files)
01:46:54freqmodand .fnt files
01:46:59secleinteerwell before that, is there a font for rockbox that is similar to tahoma size 9 on the computer?
01:47:15JdGordonthere is a zip with a heap of fontz ont he download page
01:47:22JdGordonthe daily builds page i mean
01:47:34secleinteeri know
01:47:37secleinteeri've got that
01:48:17secleinteerbut tahoma 9 is so amazing, i wanted to see if i could get it :D
01:48:49secleinteeror tahoma any size actually
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01:49:57secleinteerbut it seems that currently the closest is "helvR12"
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01:56:08jhMikeSWhat tool makes the 16-bit bitmaps? Neither paint nor my version of photoshop do it.
02:00
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02:17:28JdGordonwho reckons ill get in toruble if i change the current buttons pretty drastically for the ondio? :D
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02:17:58goffai reckon i wouldn't care :)
02:18:04goffabut then i don't have an ondio
02:18:06goffahe he he
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02:19:47JdGordonwell ye, i dont have an ondio either, but noone else is volunteering to figure out the key combinations :D
02:22:13JdGordondoes anyone in here have an ondio?
02:28:50JdGordonhmm... there is a problem in the recorder manual
02:29:15JdGordonit says hold-on in the wps is both show pitch screen and show context menu?
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03:01:11Genre9mp3I'm experiencing a very weird problem... I had some recordings (14,7GB total) that I transfered from my player to PC. After that, the free space isn't right (it says 5,6GB and it should say 16,2GB) The thing is that I deleted "Recycled" and "System Volume Information" folders from the player (using Rockbox) and also disabled Trash Can from WinXP
03:01:49Genre9mp3Now, Windows show 16.2GB free space (as it should) but Rockbox keep saying 5.6GB... any ideas what is wrong?
03:03:02linuxstbIt's a known problem that Windows doesn't update the free space info on the disk. There's an option in Rockbox update it, but I forget where it is...
03:04:13Genre9mp3Hmmm...but Rockbox is the one that shows it wrong
03:05:02linuxstbYes - because Rockbox reads the value that should be correct in the FAT32 filesystem. Windows doesn't write the correct value there.
03:05:41Genre9mp3I see....
03:05:52*Genre9mp3 searches through the menu
03:06:01Genre9mp3Thanx linuxstb
03:06:32linuxstbI've got a feeling it's hidden in the "disk info" screen - you press a button to make Rockbox update the free space info. Let me check the source....
03:07:12Genre9mp3Found it!
03:07:14Genre9mp3:)
03:07:28Genre9mp3You just have to press play in Rockbox Info screen!
03:07:43Genre9mp3Now it shows 16.2GB!
03:08:09Genre9mp3Phew...
03:08:34Genre9mp3For a moment I thought that I downgraded my H340 to H330!
03:08:51Genre9mp3Again, thank you linuxstb
03:09:01Genre9mp3It's always nice to learn new things
03:09:14linuxstbI just hang around here too much...
03:11:15Genre9mp3:)
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03:17:32JdGordonhey linuxstb, do you have an ondio?
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03:37:41lamedhey guys! thank you for granting me a cvs write access! I'm very short on time (I should be sleeping really) and I want to try out my abilities... I'm about to submit #4761, I believe there are no objections that I should know about before I submit?
03:38:39midkaywhat is it? *checks*
03:38:46midkaycongrats, btw :)
03:39:15*JdGordon is jelous :p
03:39:22JdGordonwhats 4761?
03:39:24midkaysounds good. make sure he's added to the credits..
03:39:30midkayJdGordon: lots of pause-on-hold patches for games.
03:39:41JdGordonoh, nice
03:39:46JdGordonlong overdue :)
03:40:02midkay:DDD:D:D::D
03:41:11JdGordonis that morse-code smileys?
03:42:44lamedmidkay: take a l00k athe code, i think it's ok to assign button = QUIT; wouldn't you agree? it's not hackish? I've seen this around the morse code.
03:43:31midkaywhich code?
03:43:44midkaydid you give the the right FS#? i see a lot of simple patches for game pausing.
03:43:49midkaynot sure which you mean, if os.
03:43:50midkayso*
03:43:59lamedat the end of 4761, the bundle.
03:44:19midkayaha..
03:44:50midkayyes, that's fine.. quite a simple way to deal with it. :)
03:44:59midkayhave you tested it?
03:48:18lamedwell, i wrote it.
03:48:22lamedthen yeah
03:48:51lamedbut it was a long time ago, i'm actually fidelling around updating my cvs with no suceess atm
03:48:55midkayyou did?
03:49:01midkaythat's you?! :)
03:49:26lamed& lukas guy that I should credit
03:49:56midkayyes, if he wrote it or helped with it.
03:50:02lamedhe started out working on it before me although I gave the idea for the patch... but i end up with a simpler way
03:50:55lamed:( why ho why can't i update my repository
03:51:33midkayso you're committing his patch or your own code
03:51:33midkay?
03:51:39midkaycvs up -dP doesn't work?
03:57:15lamedthe last patch is mostly my own code, but what does it matters..? for some reason cvs update hangs. but I can download a new repository. midkay do you know your way around commiting commands?
03:57:50midkaylamed: i just didn't really understand what you meant by saying he wrote the code but you ended up with a simpler way.. *shrugs*
03:58:04midkayyes, i know the usage of commit..
03:58:16midkaydunno about the update thing.. *weird*
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04:00:21lamedI ment my way was just checking if hold switch is on, and if it was, then just change the button to pause. he used some other technic. how do I commit a bunch of files? If i got it right, the -r flag is automatically set, so i should just 'cvs commit -m "blah blah thanks to blah blah " ' and everything that I changed in the repository will be commited?
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04:01:44webguest30can someone help me
04:01:51midkayhmm.. probably not the best way. i'd just do cvs commit -m "Patch #whatever by whoever, adds pause on hold functionality etc etc" apps/plugins/snake.c apps/plugins/snake2.c ....
04:02:23midkaylamed: if you've changed anything else you don't want that to get committed too.. i just personally prefer to be more specific about the files committed.
04:02:29webguest30im kinda new to rockbox and i would like to know how to add patches
04:02:44midkaywebguest30: we have docs on setting up a compiler and patching. check the wiki.
04:03:12webguest30thanks
04:03:19midkaysure.
04:03:42lamedmidkay. I haven't seen it documented, but I assume you mean 'cvs commit apps/plugins/brickmania.c /firmware/usb.c' for example?
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04:04:02lamedwhat I mean was, specifying every file?
04:04:05midkayforget the "/" before "firmware" but that works, yes.
04:04:06midkayyeah. right.
04:04:11midkaythat's just the way i prefer to do it..
04:04:22midkaysmall risk of committing other nonrelated changes if you just "commit everything that's different".
04:04:27lamedmidkay, what's your cvs name?
04:04:50midkayhm. "midkay" i believe..
04:05:09midkayno. "midk".
04:08:24lamed... you might help me with that one. there's a way I could download and extract a repository from the site, and then tell cvs to make the CVS entries files, do you know it?
04:09:08midkaycvs entries files? not sure what you mean, or unfamiliar with it..
04:10:41lamedthere's a CVS folder in every folder under your repository tree. I don't think I could 'cvs commit' without that folder, becuase then CVS doesn't know whether I have a newer version then the server repository or not.
04:11:13lamedand I can't update my repository for some reason... so i'm trying to avoid the problem
04:11:32midkayoh, did you check out the repository without logging in?
04:11:46midkayyou need to make sure you're logged in whilst you check out cvs or you won't be able to commit it, i've had that problem before.
04:12:06midkaydoesn't, like, associate the checkout with the username (if you checked out with anonymous and tried to commit with your cvs username).
04:12:20midkayi'd just recheckout, dunno how else to get around that.
04:12:40midkayi guess that'd stop update from working also, makes sense.
04:13:40lamedI don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, and thats because I haven't 'checked out' and i don't know what that means...
04:14:03lamed(because I never 'checked out')
04:14:13midkaycvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox [or rockbox-devel]
04:14:28midkay'co' there == check out. just means downloading the repository.
04:14:36midkayyou did that at one point, right?
04:14:42lamedof course :)
04:14:46lamedjust after
04:15:03midkaymake sure you login and instead of "anonymous" you use e.g. "lamed".
04:15:04lamedcvs -d:pserver:lamed@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox login
04:15:17lamed:)
04:15:26midkayright, enter password, then do the checkout bit, you should have all the stuff, apply the patch + commit ought to work :)
04:15:48lamedactually, I done that, but some files where just skipped :(
04:15:58midkayjust needs to be committed from source you've checked out from the "lamed" username instead of "anonymous" if you checked it out before you got cvs access.
04:16:05lamednah wait
04:16:22lamednow it seems ok, let me have a look
04:17:52midkayah. :)
04:20:33lamedah, I get it, chmod proble,
04:20:44lamedno write access
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04:21:49midkayah.
04:22:52lamedhehe 'chmod 777 -R * ' I'm not playing any games....
04:23:10midkayhaha.
04:23:13midkay:)
04:23:49lamedbah. I still can't patch.
04:23:59midkay(:
04:24:00lamedi got as up as -p5
04:24:01midkay:(*
04:24:15midkaynot familiar with those commands..
04:24:32lamedpatch -p5 < holdswtich I'm sure you know this one
04:24:38midkayno..
04:24:46midkayi always just do patch < whatever.patch usually.
04:25:11lamedthen you can't use it on multiple files
04:25:23midkaymultiple files?
04:25:27midkayreally dunno how that works.
04:25:37midkayi mean.. i do it manually by giving it the files to patch..
04:25:44midkayi usually end up just doing it totally manually.
04:25:49midkayadding+removing lines from the source files.
04:26:04lamed -p0 tells patch to use the /tree structure. -p1 will crop the rightmost directory.
04:26:39midkayah.
04:29:08lamedbut my patchfile was missing that tag, so i simply used it without -p0 ... lol
04:30:05*midkay is already rather lost :)
04:36:06lamedthanks so much for your help!
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04:36:32midkaynp, got it working? :)
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04:39:00lamedfixing wormlet atm
04:39:04lamedbuiling a sim
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04:40:11midkaycool. :)
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04:44:42lamedmidkay: how do i mount my h120 player under linux? (vmware but it's the same), the interface is recognized.
04:45:23midkaylamed: i haven't the least idea.. i don't let vmware detect it at all, just copy from the vmware image's samba network server thing to your iPod in windows.
04:45:26midkayer, iriver.
04:45:26midkay:)
04:47:13lamedjust trying to do things the right way so i could move to linux more easily, that's the overall goal
04:47:57lamedwhat players do you own? (for testing)
04:48:05lamed(that patch)
04:48:07midkayi wouldn't consider vmware the "right way" tbh, I never had success mounting my ipod - not sure if it's a vmware thing or just a lack of linux knowledge - maybe you can mount it somehow. it's probably something like /dev/sdb1..
04:48:12midkayi have an iPod 5G.
04:48:54lamedit's probably verrrry easy to mount it. IPODs has hold switch?
04:49:10midkayhm, dunno, and yes, they do.
04:49:11midkay:)
04:49:41midkayalthough i can't really test it right now unless it's imperative, i'd have to locate the ipod and the cable..
04:49:46lamedcan I send a button hold to the simulator without gdbugging it?
04:54:56lamedworking! submitting now!
04:54:59midkayhmm, no idea.
04:55:03midkaycool. :)
04:55:08midkaycongrats on access+first commit then :)
04:55:22lamed:DDDDDDDDD
04:56:04lamedi can't cvs diff to a file so i'll probably have trouble committing.
04:57:39Galoisany reasonably modern linux will automount the ipod for you
04:57:42midkayhm..
04:57:47Galoisif you must do it manually, it's /dev/sdb2 not sdb1
04:58:05Galoisbecause ipods use partition number 2 for data
04:59:23midkayquite possible, i have quite little knowledge as to how linux works in that aspect :)
04:59:25midkayand most others.
04:59:55lamedmidkay, i shouldn't get:
04:59:56lamedCVS: Modified Files:
05:00
05:00:02lamedCVS: apps/FILES apps/Makefile apps/README apps/SOURCES
05:00:05lamedCVS: apps/abrepeat.c apps/abrepeat.h apps/action.h
05:00:16lamedand all the other files in RB
05:00:31Galoisthe usual strategy is to look in /var/log/messages for something like
05:00:32GaloisVendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 1.62
05:00:32GaloisSCSI device sda: 7999488 512-byte hdwr sectors (4096 MB)
05:01:08Galoisthat confirms the drive device (sda), and then you can do "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to see which partition is the correct one
05:01:17lamedshould I?
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05:05:20midkaylamed: i never do..
05:05:39midkayyou did "cvs commit -m "whatever" apps/plugins/snake.c apps/plugins/snake2.c apps/plugins/wormlet.c" etc?
05:06:53lamednope. I just cvs commit, but it doesn't seems right so now I did it your way. (without the -m flag). where do I put my comment? just write it down without a CVS: at the beggining?
05:07:44midkayno..
05:07:52midkaycvs commit -m "comment here" files/here
05:08:29lamedno, if you don't -m, it opens up an editor for you. i guess you don't know what I mean?
05:09:06midkaydo -m and that lets you do the comment inline..
05:09:16midkayi do know what you mean, but why not just do -m?
05:09:26midkay-m means "a comment follows"..
05:09:47midkayi don't really know how it works when it opens an editor, i always just do -m "whatever i wanna say" apps/whatever/whatever.c
05:11:34lamedyeyyyy!!!!
05:11:44lamedhttp://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-07-30%2003:10:30.html
05:12:10midkaylamed: yaay, nice. :D
05:13:10lamedthank you!!! and don't be afraid of using the editor, it's like I thought it is... weee!! I can't believe I just made my
05:13:39lamedfirst change as a developer :))) mom is going to be so proud!
05:13:52midkayhaha, hm.. i don't mind inline comments.. either way works fine :D no problem, glad it's working for you.. must seem a bit confusing at first.. you've figured it out though. :)
05:13:54midkayhahaha.
05:13:55midkay:D
05:16:07lamednow I'm waiting for a totally RED BUILD TABLE.... (don't jinks it)
05:16:37midkayhaha. the anticipation is great.
05:16:37midkay:)
05:16:58midkaynope, didn't change a thing. :)
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05:17:40lamedbut it has!
05:17:55lamedipod 4g gray sim?
05:18:09lamedam i looking at the wrong place?
05:18:10midkaythese are on-and-off errors that are specific to the server that compiled it :\
05:18:18lamedah! TT!
05:18:31midkayit would appear you introduced a problem but it's just something to do with a build server, maybe out of date or wrong versions of GCC or something.
05:18:48midkaythey're unrelated errors so they aren't your fault :)
05:19:02midkaynevertheless ought to be fixed sooner or later..
05:19:17lamedmmm. i'm happy to hear that ... because the error was in midi and I haven't touched that at all...
05:19:38midkayyeah, generally if it's in something you haven't touched or something that doesn't for example use anything you've touched it's not your fault..
05:19:50midkayshouldn't be hard, just look at the error and see if it references anything you've done.
05:20:21midkaye.g. if you change a plugin library, all the plugins using the library might break due to a problem with your code, but it might not necessarily give an error on the library itself.
05:21:18lamedmidkay thanks again for your help and advice :) now I only have 3 hours to sleep (and it's already is 6 am)
05:22:00*lamed looks at his name under the who tab on the build table :DDD
05:22:35midkayouch :)
05:22:39midkayhaha. yeah.. congrats again, have fun :)
05:22:45midkaynow sleep, it's necessary. :)
05:22:50midkaywe don't want you dead! :)
05:23:04lamedI can't believe I haven't made any mistakes without any sleep :)
05:23:32midkayhaha.
05:23:35midkayyou will soon enough :D
05:23:41lamedhehehe
05:23:45lamedcya!
05:23:54midkayseeya. :)
05:23:56midkaysleep well!
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05:26:02Terinjokesheya, I just put IpodLinux on my nano, i'm happy with it, is there anything in rockbox that might make me use it?
05:27:10Terinjokeshrm, seems i justed missed midkay
05:27:19midkayoy..
05:27:37Terinjokesthe logs said you quit
05:27:43midkayno, lamed quit..
05:27:44midkay:)
05:28:06Terinjokeshrm, so you see my statement above ^
05:28:26LandusBecause it's late at night and I don't have the energy to look.
05:28:28midkayum.. you'd probably want iPodLinux for "cool" "very nice looking" themes and some games like the gameboy emulator..
05:28:34LandusDoes Rockbox support FLAC?
05:28:38midkayyou'd want rockbox for music playback..
05:28:53midkayfor something that works and works well for music (and we do have plenty of plugins like games and demos and apps).
05:28:54midkayLandus: yes.
05:29:15midkaymp3, ogg, flac, ac3, wav, wavpack.. and several more.
05:29:29LandusI'm tempted to convert all my music into FLAC.
05:29:40Terinjokeshrm, well i was hoping for some screenshots, and it seems the supprt here is nice (i'm a noob at linux, and as such, support is limited for iPL)
05:29:49LandusDoes anyone know the sizes compared to Ogg Vorbis.
05:29:54LandusWhich is smaller?
05:30:04midkayTerinjokes: we'll help you with anything rockbox-related as best we can..
05:30:13midkayLandus: much bigger, since it's lossless.
05:30:24LandusOkay.
05:30:24midkayprobably instead of maybe 4mb for a few minute song you'd have 20-30mb..
05:30:26Terinjokeshrm, does it work on the 2GB iPod Nano?
05:30:40midkayTerinjokes: yes, all nanos.
05:30:43midkayscreenshots.. hm.. wait.
05:30:49LandusLet's take a single CD consisting of 11 tracks and about four minutes long for each song.
05:31:02midkayhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano shows off plenty of themes you can download.
05:31:04LandusTake a guess on how big each file encoded in FLAC would be?
05:31:13Terinjokescool,so does this wipe out the factory Apple OS, or does it simply hide it like iPL?
05:31:16midkaylandus: in FLAC probably around 20-25mb.
05:31:26Landus:(
05:31:39midkayTerinjokes: well, "hides" it, but you can always access it by holding MENU when you start up.
05:31:41LandusGuess I'll just use FLAC for preserving CD's.
05:31:52LandusNow, to get Replaygain tags for Ogg Vorbis working.
05:31:56midkayLandus: unless you're in it for the lossless factor (you really care about retaining quality) you should stay with maybe mp3 or ogg..
05:32:14LandusEw. Not mp3.
05:32:20Terinjokesso, rockbox will work with iTunes?
05:32:30LandusUh.
05:32:31midkay.. alright..
05:32:33LandusNo. Not really.
05:32:33midkay:)
05:32:42LandusIt's much easier to use Winamp.
05:32:44midkayTerinjokes: nah, not .. exactly..
05:32:52LandusOr just drag and drop into G:
05:33:00LandusOr whatever drive your iPod shows up as.
05:33:04TerinjokesLandus...mac user
05:33:12midkayTerinjokes: you can either copy files to your iPod with file structure that you want, or you can continue using iTunes and use rockbox's tag database to build a db of all your files browsable by ID3 tags.
05:33:24LandusThen whatever represents your iPod.
05:33:44LandusAnyway, the only thing mp3 has going for them is MP3Gain.
05:33:53LandusReplaygain with Ogg Vorbis is a pain.
05:34:02LandusI've been doing this when I get a CD.
05:34:07LandusRip to mp3
05:34:12LandusRun MP3Gain.
05:34:14LandusRemove the tags.
05:34:19LandusConvert to Ogg Vorbis.
05:34:24Terinjokesmidkay, so i can just use select+play like I am now to get to "Disk Mode" and use iTunes that why, and it should work, no?
05:34:28LandusNow I see that Rockbox supports Replaygain tags.
05:34:45Landusand I find that I can't use MP3Gain to add Replaygain tags to Ogg Vorbis.
05:35:16LandusAnd there's only a badly written comand like program that gets 0 stars in flexibility that works with Replaygain in Ogg Vorbis.
05:35:25Landus</rant>
05:35:39midkayTerinjokes: select+play still works, sure.. yes, itunes will work that way, right.
05:35:56midkaythen you need to update rockbox's own database whenever you update with iTunes - that may or may not happen automatically - and then you're good to go.
05:36:01midkayLandus: ah..
05:36:12midkayLandus: haha. good luck then :)
05:36:20LandusI'll need it.
05:36:40Terinjokescool, well, lets see how rockbox rolls...i've used Apple OS for one day, linux for one day, and now Rockbox, and tomorrow, it will be one day
05:37:23midkayTerinjokes: cool. it mostly boils down to whether you want games and cool graphical effects and stuff, or software that has lots of music-playback-related functionality and sounds great.
05:38:40Terinjokesum...well...i'm really in it for the customisation....EVERYONE has this default ipod thing going on, and iPL isn't helping me support wise very much
05:38:57midkayiPodLinux pretty much includes music playback as an afterthought once all the themes/games/demonstrations are done.. it's not very good for playing music or doing much worthwhile.
05:39:40midkayiPL is quite complicated, rockbox is rather themable but not to such an extent, you can customize your font and backdrop and entire while-playing-screen, as well as a lot of other little UI things, but it might not look as pretty in the end depending on what you like.
05:39:49Terinjokesyes, i'm stuck using Podzilla (whatever that is) because everyone wants it to work on G5 first
05:40:20midkayhaha.
05:40:25Terinjokeshey, i'm take a G1 ipod theme over the nano's default
05:40:36midkayhaha.
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05:41:53Terinjokesi swear, every ipod is the same, they all are in cute little sleeves, everyone has the same ugly headphones, all have music that is not organisations, video's i can't talk about, and that ugly aqua like thing
05:42:14saratogais anyone here familar with rockbox profiling?
05:42:51midkayTerinjokes: haha, i suppose - why'd you get one if you didn't want that? :)
05:43:05Terinjokesit was given to me
05:44:04*Terinjokes is uninstalling iPD
05:44:19midkayah, i see, i see :)
05:44:43saratogai have several questions
05:44:48Terinjokesjust like my mac was given to me
05:45:02midkayhaha. getting a lot of Apple stuff for free, hm? :)
05:45:10midkaysaratoga: i'm not really, but you could ask, maybe someone can help.
05:45:21saratogabasically, does "# Configure a developer build with profiling support." happen when I configure a developer build or is there more to it?
05:45:40Terinjokesi get google stuff for free to...
05:45:43saratogamidkay: I'll take what help i can get :)
05:46:13midkaysaratoga: haha, hm.. uh.. no idea at all. :)
05:46:19saratogaah well
05:46:34saratogai guess the main devs are already asleep
05:46:47Terinjokesgrr...no one told me it has to be FAT32!
05:47:03saratogaI believe that is in the manual
05:47:28Terinjokesi just now read the wiki
05:48:36midkayTerinjokes: there's a mac page..
05:48:37midkaywait.
05:48:56midkaytry this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX
05:49:14Terinjokesyes, doing the manual instructions
05:49:35Terinjokesbut i can't seem to unmount the ipod
05:49:52midkayis it ejected from itunes and not open anywhere etc?
05:50:22Terinjokesno, go down to here: ust managed it on my Nano from OSX, and it was horrible ( but worth it ). My tips : −− AndrewWatson - 27 Jun 2006
05:50:26Terinjokeson that wiki page
05:51:28Terinjokeshold on, never reboot after uninstalling linux
05:53:16midkayjsjs.
05:53:18midkayhaha*
05:53:31Terinjokesjavascript javascript
05:56:29Terinjokeshrm, anyway of formating the ipod to FAT32 on a mac?
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05:57:41midkaytry and find a tool or googile..
05:57:52Terinjokeshrm..getting kinda late
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06:04:05secleinteerhey, does any1 know if using a black for the background color and white for text will drain the batteries faster than using a white background and black text?
06:04:38saratogaI don't think it makes a big difference
06:04:49saratogathough it probably uses a tiny bit more power
06:05:19secleinteerok
06:05:29secleinteerbecause rockbox seems to be draining my batteries pretty fast
06:05:41midkayno, it won't really change it noticeably at all..
06:05:46secleinteerok
06:05:52midkayyes, your battery life won't be as good as Apple firmware..
06:06:06midkaymaybe 8-10 hours. it shouldn't be evident that you're draining that quicky within a few minutes of installation though..
06:06:22secleinteermy ipod is around a year old
06:06:36secleinteerso it's already got an old battery
06:06:41midkaythat won't help matters, but it shouldn't be that bad.
06:06:46secleinteerok
06:06:53midkaywhen did the nanos even come out in fact.
06:07:00secleinteeri dont know
06:07:05secleinteeri have an ipod photo 20 gig
06:07:16midkayoh, confused you with someone else. :)
06:07:23secleinteeroh lol
06:07:33secleinteerwasn't sure why you were asking that :D
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06:07:52midkay:)
06:08:14secleinteerdo you think battery usage will be optimized in time?
06:08:31midkayof course, it's an ongoing movement, it'll just keep improving, probably gradually.
06:08:46secleinteeri hear that with other brands, rockbox is better than the default firmware
06:08:46midkaythe iPods are still in what you'd call beta stages for sure.
06:08:52secleinteeryeah
06:08:58midkaywith all brands. battery life can be a problem on iPods though.
06:08:59midkay:)
06:09:03secleinteeryeah
06:09:09secleinteersaw something on digg about that a few days ago
06:09:26secleinteerthe only problem i've run into with rockbox though is skipping in songs w/ high bitrates
06:09:29saratogabuy a new battery
06:09:32saratogait makes a big difference
06:09:35secleinteerhow much are they?
06:09:39saratogabatteries lose capacity pretty fast
06:09:41midkaymake sure EQ and Crossfeed aren't on..
06:09:45secleinteeri dont think they are
06:09:49midkayuse a WPS with fewer images and certainly don't use peak meters..
06:09:50saratogamy 3g battery was 10 USD shipped
06:09:51secleinteerbut my songs are 320 kbps mp3's
06:09:59midkaythat could be a problem.
06:10:03midkay*shrugs*
06:10:04secleinteerlol yeah
06:10:06midkayit's not uncommon.
06:10:09secleinteersongs that are like 192 are just fine
06:10:43secleinteeris there any way for me to lower the bitrate on the fly instead of having to reencode everything?
06:10:48midkayah.
06:10:52midkayno.
06:11:10saratogahttp://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-REPLACEMENT-BATTERY-400mAh-FOR-APPLE-iPOD-NANO_W0QQitemZ300011717832QQihZ020QQcategoryZ118261QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
06:11:20saratoga9 dollars shipped to the US
06:11:22secleinteerlol that's for a nano, saratoga
06:11:30secleinteeri need a photo
06:11:32saratogadidn't he say nano?
06:11:33saratogaoh
06:11:39secleinteerhe thought it was nano :D
06:11:39saratogawell whatever, i doubt its a lot different
06:11:43secleinteerprolly not
06:12:17secleinteermidkay: what's a WPS?
06:12:44midkaysecleinteer: "while playing screen".
06:12:50midkayit tells rockbox what to show when you're playing music.
06:12:55secleinteerlol i use the default
06:12:58secleinteerbarebones as hell :D
06:13:05saratogahttp://cgi.ebay.com/Battery-kit-3-7v-900mAh-for-iPod-4G-Photo-40-A115_W0QQitemZ280011991643QQihZ018QQcategoryZ118261QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
06:13:10saratoga11 dolalrs
06:13:11midkayget rid of it. it has peak meters. that's a problem. I think it does, unless it was changed.
06:13:18saratogaplus its larger then the stock battery
06:13:37secleinteersaratoga: i'll look into that
06:13:41secleinteerbut i might wait a little longer
06:13:49saratogai recommend it
06:13:52secleinteermidkay: what WPS should i use instead?
06:13:54saratogamade a huge difference on my 3 g
06:14:00secleinteerk
06:14:05secleinteerdoes it last longer?
06:14:56secleinteeris there any way to turn off peak meters in the default theme?
06:15:19midkaysecleinteer: edit it and remove "%pm".
06:15:29midkaypeak meters are a HUGE skipping factor.
06:16:29secleinteerok...which file?
06:16:50midkayhmm..
06:16:58midkaytry rockbox_default.wps..
06:17:05midkaynot sure if it's empty or has stuff in it.
06:17:13midkaylook inside, in /.rockbox/wps/rockbox_default.pw
06:17:15midkaywps*
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06:17:55secleinteerL:\.rockbox\wps\rockbox_default.wps says the following:
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06:19:09secleinteerhold on
06:19:15secleinteerhad a little prob w/ mIRC
06:19:20secleinteer# Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config.
06:19:20midkayah.
06:19:26secleinteer# Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config.
06:19:27midkayyeah. hm.
06:19:36secleinteerdamn still having probs with it
06:19:42secleinteer# Dummy file to allow Rockbox to reset to the default WPS config.
06:19:43midkaycan you try another WPS maybe?
06:19:44secleinteerwtf?
06:19:47midkayi see it, i see it..
06:19:50secleinteer# Do not edit this file. It's never actually loaded by Rockbox.
06:19:53secleinteersorry
06:20:00secleinteerit kept pasting the same thing over and over
06:20:02midkayah. :)
06:20:32secleinteerwhat's a good barebones theme?
06:21:06midkaycheck the wiki's WpsIriverH300 page.
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06:22:41secleinteerumm, what's the domain name of the wiki? :D
06:23:18midkaywait.
06:23:35midkayhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300
06:33:22secleinteerMad Big Sausage?
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06:34:01secleinteermidkay: which one should i get?
06:34:24Terinjokeswell, i've decided to keep using iPL until i get to a windows box...thanks for you help
06:36:07midkayany you like..
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06:48:18saratogatrying again before bed: anyone here setup profiling support in Rockbox before?
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07:02:48secleinteermidkay: will color cause a slowdown as well?
07:04:33midkaycolor?
07:04:45midkaythere isn't any non-color mode..
07:04:55midkayblack is a color, white is a color, gray is a color, red is a color, blue is a color, etc. :)
07:05:13midkayall just different intensities of RGB, so no, it's all the same..
07:05:36midkayif the color comes from images it can slow down a little bit but a few or even several images are fine..
07:06:08secleinteerok thx
07:06:15midkaysure.
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07:16:50secleinteerit seems to be working
07:16:52secleinteeri used unicatcher, which i already have installed
07:16:55secleinteerit looks nice, but no skipping
07:16:59secleinteernow i have another question
07:17:04secleinteeri have to use unifont for unicatcher
07:17:04midkayright, peak meters are the problem.
07:17:10secleinteerit's really big
07:17:26secleinteerso i'm having problems when browsing artists/albums
07:17:31secleinteeri couldn't get the id3 mode thing to work
07:17:34secleinteerhow do i do it?
07:17:44midkayright. WPS' are designed around a font so you can't really switch. you just have to choose a WPS/theme that looks nice and has a good font from the start..
07:17:51midkayDid you build the database first?
07:17:58secleinteerthe tagcache thing?
07:18:20midkayyeah..
07:18:55secleinteeri did an "intialize now".. is that it?
07:20:22secleinteer..?
07:20:47secleinteeror do i need foobar and do that thing?
07:20:49midkayyeah, i think so.
07:20:51midkayno.
07:20:55secleinteerok
07:20:55midkayinitialize should be good..
07:20:59secleinteerwhat next?
07:21:07midkaywhen it's done aka no more disk accessing and no icon in the upper right of the status bar..
07:21:25midkayrestart the iPod, and then hold MENU to get in the quick screen, and press down a few times to get to ID3 Database view mode.
07:22:10secleinteerthink i got it :D
07:22:38secleinteernope :(
07:22:59secleinteerit said something about tagcache, though, when i restarted
07:24:25secleinteerknow what's going on?
07:36:05secleinteeri think i got it
07:36:32secleinteerif push anything after "initialize now", it will make the little icon disappear
07:36:41secleinteerso i'm just gonna wait
07:39:15secleinteernope, still didnt work
07:42:54midkayyou probably ought to not interrupt it..
07:43:12secleinteeri've got almost nothing on my ipod
07:43:18secleinteerit shouldn't take that long
07:43:21midkaytry "update".
07:43:31secleinteerunless it's looking at the files in my apple os?
07:44:14midkayit looks at all the files, i don
07:44:21midkaydon't know what you mean by "the files in your apple os".
07:44:49secleinteerthe songs in /Ipod_control/Music
07:45:06midkayyes, it looks at everything.
07:45:11midkaywhy? is that a problem?
07:45:16secleinteeryes
07:45:20secleinteeri have like 8 gigs of songs in there
07:45:26secleinteerwill it be able to play those songs like normal then?
07:45:28midkaythey will be scanned without exception.
07:45:34midkayit still shouldn't take very long, maybe a few minutes.
07:45:41secleinteerbecause if it can play those songs, i don't need to reload anything
07:45:45midkayyes, any song will be indexed and any indexed song will be playable.
07:46:03secleinteerdo i have to do the menu + down thing every time i start rockbox?
07:46:11midkaymenu+down?
07:46:25secleinteer<midkay> restart the iPod, and then hold MENU to get in the quick screen, and press down a few times to get to ID3 Database view mode.
07:46:47midkayno, it will save your view mode as well as every Rockbox setting as soon as you shut down.
07:46:53secleinteerk
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07:47:30midkayi'd clean up any duplicates, delete all the tagcache index files in /.rockbox (stuff like 00001.tcd etc) and just re-intialize and let it entirely finish.
07:47:42secleinteerk
07:47:44midkaytagnavi.config should stay though.
07:47:56midkayall the other .tcd or .tgd or whatever files can go.
07:48:02secleinteerand then do it once?
07:48:18midkayinitialize, wait for it to finish, shut down (the "safe" way, hold PLAY) and turn back on.
07:48:21midkayshould work.
07:48:36secleinteerwhen do i delete the files?
07:48:40secleinteerb4 all this?
07:48:46midkayany time before the initialization.
07:48:49secleinteerok
07:49:47secleinteerseems i only have one file in .rockbox that's a tcd or tgd
07:49:59midkayalright, delete it..
07:50:07midkayanything else that you don't recognize?
07:50:18midkaymight be some like tagcache.temp or other..
07:50:24secleinteerglpyhcache?
07:50:29secleinteerplaylist_control
07:50:29midkaythat can stay..
07:50:32secleinteerok
07:50:33midkaythat as well..
07:50:41midkaysounds fine, just start back up and re-initialize.
07:50:47secleinteerand i can delete the songs i loaded manually through windows explorer?
07:50:52midkaymake sure the disk has spun down before you reboot.
07:50:55midkayyes, do that before you initialize.
07:51:05midkayif you have those already in the iPod_Control folder.
07:51:20secleinteerno i put them in /Music
07:51:36midkayi mean it already exists in the iPod_Control/Music directories?
07:51:59secleinteeryeah, i put duplicates to play in rockbox that i already have in apple os
07:52:21secleinteersorry, i was a little confused :D
07:54:28secleinteerok when the icon in the upper right corner is gone, it's definitely done?
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07:54:56midkayyeah.
07:55:57secleinteernow i do the menu + down thing?
07:56:04midkayreboot first.
07:56:07midkayif you haven't.
07:56:13secleinteeri turned it off
07:56:17secleinteerit's off right now
07:56:30secleinteeri finished init'ing and turned it off
07:56:33midkayalright, turn it on. you do the menu+down thing when it's fully loaded, and not just menu+down..
07:56:40midkayyou start it up, when rockbox loads, you hold menu. a screen pops up.
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07:56:54midkayyou can then release menu. then you press down a few times until it says ID3 Database at the bottom.
07:56:57midkaythen press menu again.
07:56:59secleinteerok after rockbox loads
07:57:03midkayit's not like a key combo.
07:57:09midkayit's opening a menu and changing a setting.
07:58:32secleinteeri got a popup saying 1/13, 2/13, then it disappeared
07:58:44midkayalright..
07:58:46secleinteerafter getting to 13/13
07:58:47Bgermorning
07:58:49midkaythat's good.
07:58:52secleinteernext?
07:59:00midkaynow just open the quick menu and down a few times..
07:59:04midkaymorning, Bg3r.
07:59:06midkay:)
07:59:13secleinteerquick menu?
07:59:18midkayhold menu.
07:59:31Bger;)
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08:00:37secleinteerYES
08:00:39secleinteerIT WORKED
08:00:42BgerJdGordon: any news apart of the ondios' keymap ?
08:01:12secleinteerinstead of seeing the / dir, I see a choice of artists, albums, etc.
08:01:41secleinteerTHANK YOU SO MUCH
08:02:16secleinteeri guess i'll keep using ephpod to transfer songs to my ipod, that way i can access it from either os
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08:03:26midkayhooray. :)
08:03:42midkaysecleinteer: no problem, glad it's working... yeah.. whenever you copy music just remember to do a tagcache update.
08:04:09secleinteeri turned on autoupdate
08:04:14secleinteerthat should do it, right?
08:04:19midkaythere's an option for that?
08:04:24midkay*hasn't updated in forever, but hasn
08:04:29secleinteeryeah
08:04:31midkayhasn't seen such a change on the recent changes list*
08:04:39midkaywell, as long as it's there, cool, sure. that ought to do it. :)
08:05:08secleinteerit does the "update now" thing automatically on each startup, from what it says at the wiki
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08:05:25Neekeetoshi guys!
08:06:48secleinteerhey :D
08:06:51NeekeetosHave anybody tried to port rockbox to Sigmatel ?
08:07:25secleinteeridk, check the site
08:07:27secleinteerwww.rockbox.org
08:07:36Neekeetoshm
08:07:50Neekeetosthere's no sigmatel port
08:08:05Neekeetosdats why i'm asking here
08:08:33Neekeetosi have player based on sigmatel
08:08:35secleinteerwell then i guess there isn't one
08:08:45secleinteersorry :(
08:08:52Neekeetosand i wrote firmware
08:09:04Neekeetosi have gnu C compiler
08:09:17secleinteerwth?
08:09:20secleinteeryou have firmware?
08:09:23Neekeetosfor dsp56k which is equal to sigmatel chip
08:09:52secleinteerpm a chanop and talk to them about this, i guess
08:10:03secleinteermidkay: how do i switch between id3v1 and id3v2?
08:10:14Neekeetosi've already done DAC, LCD initialisation
08:10:22midkaysecleinteer: you can set "id3 priority" in i think the playback menu.
08:10:45Neekeetossee http://home.tula.net/nickit/foto.htm
08:10:46secleinteerdo i have to re intialize after that?
08:11:01Neekeetostop image is player with my fw
08:11:02midkaysecleinteer: no.
08:11:31secleinteerNeekeetos: what do you seek here, if you already have working firmware?
08:12:18Neekeetosi want to port rockbox
08:12:32Neekeetosbut there is some problems
08:12:41secleinteertalk to chanop, i guess
08:12:49Neekeetosbesides my fw is not exactly mp3 player yet
08:13:11secleinteermidkay: i changed an album name in the id3 tag after transferring it to my ipod using ephpod
08:13:19secleinteerit worked just fine
08:13:29secleinteerhowever, in rockbox, it still shows the old id3 tag
08:13:42midkaysecleinteer: ah, update tagcache...
08:14:06secleinteerthis album has been on my ipod for a long time, i don't know why it's doing this
08:14:18secleinteerNeekeetos: you want help from rockbox dev's? pm them
08:14:29midkayNeekeetos: i'd suggest coming back when the devs are around..
08:14:40Neekeetoshm, ok
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08:15:51BgerNeekeetos: u need help with the low-level stuff, i suppose ?
08:16:00Neekeetosnot exactly
08:16:15Neekeetosyou see problem is in organisation of fw
08:16:42Neekeetosrockbox just no fit to 200k of sigmatel chip
08:17:02secleinteermidkay: no luck
08:17:12Neekeetosdoes not fit i mean
08:18:29Neekeetoswith low level stuff - only thing left is USB
08:18:59Neekeetosother hw is usable now (for my particular player)
08:20:11midkaysecleinteer: hmm.
08:20:15secleinteermidkay: found the problem
08:20:15midkaydid you safely remove it?
08:20:17midkaywhat was it?
08:20:25secleinteerephpod never really changes the id3 tag
08:20:34secleinteerit just mods the apple os db
08:20:35midkayah, like winamp or windows media player. right.
08:20:45midkaynods
08:20:52secleinteerwell WA mods it right, from what i know
08:20:56secleinteerbut WMP doesn't
08:21:07secleinteerso i need to re transfer songs
08:21:22secleinteermake a copy of them, change id3 tag, and transfer
08:21:59midkayi don't believe winamp does.
08:22:08secleinteeri use it, and i'm sure it does
08:22:13midkayhm.
08:22:14secleinteeri'm about to use it to change the tags :D
08:22:15midkay*shrugs*
08:22:17midkayhasn't for me.
08:22:17midkayhaha.
08:22:20midkaytell me how it goes.
08:22:24secleinteerare you on 5.24?
08:22:45BgerNeekeetos: u've already tried to compile rb for it ?
08:23:22NeekeetosBger: no,
08:23:57secleinteermidkay: now i KNOW it does
08:24:05secleinteerif you right click and choose view file info
08:24:07NeekeetosBger: c compiler which i have, applies some restriction
08:24:21secleinteerthe box that pops up has a title of "MPEG file info box + ID3 tag editor"
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08:24:41secleinteerit does v1 and v2
08:24:50NeekeetosBger: besides sigmatel system have completely different structure
08:25:04Bgerdsp ?
08:25:11NeekeetosBger: yes DSP
08:25:19midkaysecleinteer: alright, well, let me know how it goes.
08:25:31secleinteerit just a pain in the ass, because you have to do it over and over for each song
08:25:46BgerNeekeetos: once there was a port of rockbox to a dsp ... CalmRisc16
08:25:55midkayah, when you right-click -> edit you get the "update file tag" option.
08:26:01midkayI guess I used to just edit it right in the librar.y
08:26:04webguest23Hi - why isn't the Rockboy plugin available for Ondio?
08:26:04midkaylibrary*
08:26:20NeekeetosBger: CalmRisc is not DSP- just gp-risc cpu
08:26:25midkaywebguest23: lack of buttons'd be one problem.. otherwise i'm not exactly sure.
08:26:39NeekeetosBger: with mac engine
08:26:43Bgerhm, ok
08:26:48amiconnNeekeetos: CalmRISC has a hardvard architecture like many (all?) dsps
08:26:58amiconnwebguest23: Too few buttons
08:26:59webguest23Rockboy's available for Recorder and FM Recorder - and Ondio is faster I think
08:27:04Bgermorning, amiconn ;)
08:27:10Neekeetosamiconn: no there is no harward
08:27:17secleinteermidkay: well i'm sure there are better id3 editors, but WA's doing the job for now :D
08:27:25webguest23can't you double up buttons for Ondio
08:27:37webguest23like double-click = one key
08:27:42webguest23and single click = another
08:27:47amiconnwebguest23: No, due to the way rockboy uses the buttons
08:28:18Neekeetosamiconn: i know because i was somehow involved in porting rb to Telechip TCC730
08:28:37Neekeetosamiconn: its calmrisc16 i guess %)
08:28:45midkaywebguest23: that'd also be a problem if you wanted to e.g. jump twice in a row..
08:28:46amiconnyes
08:29:06webguest23but I think some games don't use both A and B
08:29:10midkayor if you wanted to shoot a paintball or whatever in mario without jumping (if jumping were single press and paintball were a second).
08:29:14webguest23but I see where you're coming from
08:29:52amiconnRockboy directly polls the buttons, without using the button queue. So none of the usual features apply (short/long, double click etc)
08:29:52webguest23what about mapping the Ondio's down key to shoot fireballs
08:30:02secleinteermidkay: i'll just stick with VBA on a laptop running windows 95 for all my emulating needs :D
08:30:06webguest23seeing in Mario the down key isn't use
08:30:13amiconnI was the one who ported rockboy to the archos...
08:30:28Neekeetosamiconn: :)
08:30:35midkaysecleinteer: haha.
08:30:38webguest23ok
08:30:45midkaywebguest23: the down key *is* used in mario. sometimes, but it is.
08:31:04secleinteeryeah for going down pipes
08:31:11midkayright.
08:31:22webguest23I don't think there's pipes in the first Mario Land game
08:31:47secleinteermidkay: STILL didnt work
08:31:52webguest23either way - what about letting end-users configure the keymappings
08:31:54midkayyou might manage to find a game or two that don't happen to use the A button or the B button or the down key but then you have to map the keys specifically for that game to replace e.g. down with "B".. it's just.. a hassle.
08:32:08midkaysecleinteer: maybe winamp doesn't work as you think it does. :)
08:32:37webguest23like add an option to let each user configure the keymappings in Rockboy
08:32:40secleinteeri checked the files in windows explorer and they're fine
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08:32:47secleinteerand in ephpod, they appear with the right name right away
08:33:01amiconnFor rockboy a target needs at least 9 buttons - the 8 gameboy buttons, plus one to leave the emulation
08:33:23webguest23what about like in the chip8 plugin - you can change the .txt file for key configurations
08:33:28secleinteer8 game boy buttons?
08:33:41webguest23start, select, a, b, up, down, left, right
08:33:57secleinteerwow, never realized there were so many
08:34:00webguest23but some games don't use select or down or both A and B
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08:34:09amiconnRockboy on archos is more like an experiment anyway. It's way too slow in its current state to be acually playable
08:34:14secleinteermost games use down, A and B
08:34:20secleinteerselect is used a lot less
08:34:29webguest23but the Ondio's processor is faster than the Recorder processors
08:34:30webguest23slightly
08:34:39amiconnYes, about 9%
08:34:51amiconn12MHz instead of 11.0592MHz
08:35:12aarondsomeone came in here with a weird problem the other day and now I think I have the same thing, when I go to a directory it just shows a blank screen
08:35:21secleinteerhow do they do it at iPL?
08:35:26secleinteerthe game boy thing, i mean
08:35:44webguest23well, if Rockboy on Ondio ever happens - I'd be grateful
08:36:18amiconnEven on targets with enough buttons (and speed) playability suffers from hardware limitation
08:36:20amiconns
08:37:13aarondds lite and nano combo works for me :)
08:37:52amiconnThe button hardware on the irivers doesn't allow certain button combos used in some games
08:38:23secleinteermidkay: so i updated tagcache, and nothing but that one album showed up
08:38:35secleinteerthen i re initialized the whole thing, and now everything EXCEPT that shows up
08:38:39Bgeramiconn: h300 is better in this thing ...
08:38:56Bgeron, rec and mode can be read independently
08:39:04amiconnBg3r: Yes, a bit. But the h300 also can't do diagonals
08:39:10secleinteerlol
08:39:13midkaysecleinteer: um... weird...
08:39:16secleinteeryeah lol
08:39:20secleinteeri just restarted again
08:39:33midkaydon't know what to say.. make sure you restart after updating/initting it of course..
08:39:37secleinteeri do
08:39:45midkayAFK for a bit, be back in like 10 minutes.
08:39:49secleinteerk
08:40:00amiconnsecleinteer: I dunno. When I tried IPL on my mini g2, it worked exactly one time, and not long enough to actually test anything
08:40:17secleinteeroh
08:40:30secleinteerdid the site say anything about the keys?
08:40:55amiconnWhen I tried to reboot, it never came up again. Then I restored my ipod to factory state, and started adaping rockbox.
08:41:05secleinteerk lol
08:41:13amiconnLess than 10 hours after I got my mini, I was able to play music :)
08:41:28amiconn(in rockbox)
08:41:35webguest23cool
08:41:39secleinteerlol you musta set a record for the longest time taken to get an ipod working :D
08:42:55secleinteerYES midkay i finally got it
08:43:05secleinteeri once again did the initialize thing
08:43:11secleinteerand then i restarted
08:43:27secleinteerand i got only the 1 album
08:43:30secleinteerso i restarted again
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08:43:45secleinteerand this time, i held down menu all the way through the 1/13 - 13/13 thing
08:43:48secleinteernow it works fine
08:43:55secleinteerall the songs show up, and the 1 album has it's right name
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08:44:23secleinteeramiconn: do you have apple os?
08:44:28secleinteeror just rockbox?
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08:47:04amiconnOnly rockbox, I removed the apple firmware as I have no use for it
08:47:10secleinteerlol
08:47:17secleinteeri've found that you can have both
08:47:31secleinteerthat way when some1 else is using your ipod, they're not like, wth is this?
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08:48:07secleinteerusing tagcache, you can just load songs with the normal method (i use ephpod) and see them as usual
08:48:29secleinteermidkay: nvm i'm missing a few albums
08:48:53secleinteerand i just got them :D
08:48:54amiconnOf course I know, but I can't use the 'normal' way as I have no itunes installed, and won't install it for sure
08:49:02secleinteeruse ephpod
08:49:08amiconnI got my ipod _for_ rockbox hacking, nothing else
08:49:12secleinteerlol
08:49:33secleinteernot for music?
08:49:54amiconnI have 6 other rockboxes to choose from...
08:50:10secleinteeryou have 7 mp3 players?
08:50:13amiconnSometimes I do use the ipod for music of course, but it's not the one I use most
08:50:22amiconnyes
08:50:29secleinteerjesus
08:50:45secleinteerall w/ rockbox?
08:50:52amiconnyes
08:51:01amiconnLook at my hostmask...
08:52:02secleinteeroh lol lmao
08:52:12secleinteerdidn't know since you weren't an op
08:52:16GaloisI use my ipod for music, and I never installed itunes
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08:52:32amiconnsecleinteer: There are many rockbox devs of course.
08:52:34secleinteerGalois: most people who aren't idiots don't uses itunes :D
08:52:44secleinteeryeah
08:52:56secleinteerwhat surprises me the most is how stable the daily builds are
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08:53:08amiconnRegarding op status, on freenode there are usually not many ops in a channel (none most of the time)
08:53:17secleinteeroh
08:53:19secleinteeri see
08:53:25amiconnA number of people can op themselves when required
08:53:59secleinteerbtw, do you know how to make the scroll speed faster with the touch wheel?
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08:54:39secleinteerin apple os, if you have a huge long list of songs, the longer you scroll, the the faster it moves through thes ongs
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08:55:15secleinteeri see :D
08:55:23secleinteerit doesn't do that in rockbox, and it makes it very hard to scroll through a long list of songs
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08:55:58amiconnRockbox should increase scroll speed as well (on other targets it does), but I don't know whether this actually works on ipod (yet)
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08:56:35amiconnI don't have very long lists to scroll on my mini (4GB isn't that much), and I don't like the wheel anyway
08:56:54secleinteerlol you don't like the wheel
08:56:58secleinteerthat's why every1 buys them :D
08:57:05secleinteeralso, are you planning on modding id3 mode so that the "the"s at the beginning of artist names are ignored?
08:57:20amiconnI don't think so
08:57:55amiconnIirc there's a patch for this in the tracker,
08:58:10amiconnbut implementing this would be too english centric imho
08:58:41secleinteerenglish centric?
08:58:53secleinteerdon't you have a language choice?
08:59:06secleinteerthat would disable the feature if it's in any language but english
08:59:07amiconnWith the same reason we could suppress "der"/"die"/"das" for german track names
08:59:15secleinteeryeah, you could
08:59:19secleinteeris it really that hard?
08:59:23amiconnAnd how should rockbox know which language a trackname belongs to?
09:00
09:00:01secleinteernot a trackname
09:00:05secleinteerartists
09:00:15amiconnsame thing
09:01:27*^jhMikeS^ is thinking about that...
09:01:47secleinteerok now i'm having more problems lol
09:01:50midkaysecleinteer: got it all working?
09:01:56secleinteerno one other prob
09:02:05secleinteerwhen i try to play a song, say #10 in an album
09:02:11secleinteeri push select, right?
09:02:15secleinteerand it plays #1
09:02:26secleinteerbut it doesn't even play it, i don't think
09:02:36secleinteerit just opens the WPS screen
09:02:43secleinteerand pauses it there, at teh beginning of the song
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09:03:07secleinteernvm
09:03:12secleinteerrestarted and the pausing thing is gone
09:03:15secleinteerbut the other thing isn't
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09:03:37secleinteerthis is ridiculous
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09:04:27secleinteermidkay: any ideas?
09:04:57midkaywhat other thing?
09:05:03midkaydunno why all these problems keep popping up..
09:05:06secleinteerthe not playing #10
09:05:16secleinteerit's playing #1 instead
09:05:17midkayis "play selected first" on?
09:05:20midkayor shuffle?
09:05:25secleinteeroh crap
09:05:28midkayshuffle would do that i think.
09:05:32secleinteermaybe the "play selected first" is on
09:05:37secleinteershuffle is definitely off
09:05:48midkayhmm..
09:05:49secleinteerno
09:05:59secleinteerit's off
09:06:03midkayyou sure? double check shuffle..
09:06:05secleinteeri have to turn it on
09:06:12midkayyes, turn it on..
09:06:13secleinteer"play selected first"
09:06:15aarondseeing anything in folders is off on mine
09:06:17midkayright.
09:06:28aarondmaybe an update will fix it?
09:06:51secleinteeryes
09:06:53secleinteerit worked
09:07:02aarondit was fine all day, then my friend pics it up and when you go in a directory it goes blank
09:07:16midkayaarond: check "show files"..
09:07:23midkaymaybe it's on playlists only or something.
09:07:46aarondI think I might have done something when I was trying to power down
09:07:58aarondI noticed something came up on the screen like it was doing something
09:08:14midkaycheck "show files". that's more than very likely the problem.
09:08:23midkayif you held menu you could have changed that.
09:08:31midkayif you held menu then held play to try to shut it off..
09:09:31aarondthank
09:09:32aaronds
09:09:57aarondI was just holding play but ok
09:10:09aarondI might have hit the select and play
09:10:11secleinteerwell anyway, thx a lot midkay
09:10:16secleinteeri g2g now
09:10:18secleinteerttyl
09:10:21aarondotterbox makes controls tricky sometimes
09:10:38aarondI thought it was something like that and was about to look through options
09:10:47midkayseeya secleinteer.
09:11:03midkayaarond: i'm quite confident that it's show files..
09:11:12aarondyeah it was
09:12:08aarondI wish I had time to mess with rockbox more, but Im also too lazy
09:12:24aarondId like to make my own interface, you call that the wps?
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09:12:52aarondI like how making a playlist in root found my apple firmware music
09:13:00aarondit never used to do that
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09:13:07midkayaarond: yes, the WPS is the "most customizable"..
09:13:20midkayalthough you can technically edit menu strings and change global fonts/backdrops, WPS is entirely user-designed.
09:13:22aarondbut I like one of the recently added ones
09:13:41midkayaarond: with "show files: all" it will do that, since it shows the iPod_Control directory that way.
09:13:55midkaywith "Music" or "Supported" it wouldn't show iPod_Control and thus wouldn't add stuff from it to a playlist.
09:13:57aarondicatcher
09:14:29aarondit did add them though and I didnt know about that
09:15:08midkaynods
09:15:09aarondI just made a root playlist so I could put everything on random and stuff from the apple side started playing right away
09:15:27aarondkinda handy
09:15:45midkayyep.
09:17:57aarondone thing I know I should look up, but how do you get back to the now playing screen sometimes when you are in menus and it wont come back unless you play something else
09:18:00aarondis that a bug?
09:19:11midkay"won't come back unless you paly something else"?
09:19:14midkayplay*
09:19:20midkaynot sure what you mean.
09:20:56aarondsometimes Im in a menu or main directory and I cant get back to now playing by pressing menu
09:21:04aarondunless I select another song
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09:21:17aarondis there something I dont know or is that a bug?
09:21:55midkayoh..
09:22:00midkayin directories it works differently..
09:22:10midkayyou hit "play" to reach the while playing screen.
09:22:16midkay"menu" will open the main menu.
09:22:22midkayin the WPS, press "select" to go to the file browser.
09:22:30midkayand play brings you back.
09:24:59aarondthink I knew that back when I used to update every week, I took a break for a while and just switched back
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09:25:26midkay:)
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09:27:55midkayhaha.
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09:48:56JdGordonBger: na mate, and i dont tinhk ill convert anymore of the screens, they get complicated :D
09:49:19Bger:P
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09:51:59JdGordonBger: your up early for a sunday morning arnt you? (crazy person!)
09:52:39Bgerhaha
09:52:49Bgercisco academy calls me :D
09:53:23midkayeverybody ctcp time Bg3r so we can find out exactly how early!!
09:53:35midkayyou crazy person!
09:53:37Bger[10:53:34] <midkay> everybody ctcp time Bg3r so we can find out exactly how early!!
09:53:51midkayhai.
09:53:52sharpeor he could just copy and paste a message.
09:54:06midkayno, the point was to bombard Bg3r with ctcp times.
09:54:41sharpeyeah... so...?
09:54:50JdGordonhehe, i doubt u could DOS him with ctcp calls :p
09:54:56midkayhaha.
09:55:03midkaylet alone if nobody else is doing it which they aren't.
09:55:04midkay:)
09:55:57*JdGordon goes hunting for anyone with an ondia
09:56:17Bgerand, having in mind that Bg3r is on different connection than Bger ...
09:56:19Bger:D
09:56:47scorchei am so lost with all of the bagders...
09:56:50*JdGordon also is on the lookout for someone with the player and x5
09:57:11JdGordononly 1 badger here tho...
09:57:29JdGordonand he is away (and has been for like 2 weeks :p )
09:57:37scorcheJdGordon: one thing i didnt check...did you make it so that on, when pressed, resumes the last playlist?
09:57:43midkaywake up scorche.
09:57:58scorchestop...
09:58:02JdGordonscorche: which target?>
09:58:12scorcherecorder
09:58:25Bgerscorche: u must be happy that i don't use my real nickname - Bager ... :D
09:58:37JdGordondionoea did that buttons, ill check tho
09:58:47scorchei dont know...i just see 3 of you in here and wonder which is which...
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10:00:22JdGordonscorche: ye, should do
10:00:36sharpescorche seems confused... he's using ellipsis...
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10:00:47scorchei always do...
10:01:19JdGordontheir dots... not bloody elipses....!!!!
10:01:51midkaythey'RE *ellipses*/
10:01:52midkay:D
10:02:20JdGordonDOTS!
10:02:30midkaydot-dot-dots.
10:02:32sharpeperiods.
10:02:33midkaycan we agree on that?
10:02:40midkaydot dot dots everybody. we've reached a consensus.
10:03:18JdGordonlet the minutes show we have agreed to call them dots!
10:03:27JdGordonnext point on the agenda
10:03:30midkayhaha.
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10:23:06JdGordonanyone work on the manual here? i just spotted a typo
10:23:45JdGordonunder "sound settings" chapter 2.4.2 "This is a shortchut"
10:24:31*midkay hands JdGordon a cookie.
10:24:56JdGordonmmmm.. cookie :D
10:26:37JdGordonplayer mappings done!
10:26:48midkayhaha.
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10:28:03midkayhaha.
10:28:15*midkay hands JdGordon a horribly crusted, hairy donut.
10:29:02JdGordonmmm crusty hairy donut
10:29:14midkayhaha.
10:29:14sharpehow would one come about that kind of donut?
10:29:23midkayit was in my pants for a few years!
10:29:26JdGordonis the gemini or iriver ifp7xx ports working?
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10:29:54scorchemidkay: then where did the hair come from?
10:30:17scorcheJdGordon: the gemini is stalkled...not sure about the other one
10:30:20midkayhaha.
10:30:28midkaywhere did "stalkled" come from?
10:30:29midkayretard.
10:30:35scorchestalled...
10:30:40midkaysure, sure.
10:30:47sharpestalked is still a cool word though.
10:30:55scorchei doubt the other is
10:30:56midkaystalkled is even cooler.
10:31:02JdGordonok, so in that case.. 1 more target to map and we are good to go
10:31:16scorcheand you still havent answered my question midkay
10:31:21*JdGordon was too lazy to do remote mappings
10:31:40midkayscorche: random fuzz accumulated in the pants.
10:31:46scorcheah
10:31:56scorchei like to call that "lint".....not hair
10:32:06midkaymaybe some hair on my head ended up in there.
10:32:11midkayit *has* been a few years.
10:32:13scorchemaybe...
10:32:40midkaydarned straight.
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10:34:04sharpei'm reading support forums for a game.
10:34:35midkaya game?
10:34:44sharpeyes.
10:35:26midkay.. okay.
10:35:56sharpeboredom.
10:36:18JdGordonwho knows what the usual cancel button on the x5 is? i.e the equi of off on h300?
10:36:32midkaypower, i suppose.
10:36:56sharpeyou can't just, "suppose."
10:38:00*JdGordon gives midkay permission to just "suppose"
10:38:04JdGordonnow he can :D
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10:38:50midkayhaha.
10:38:55sharpeokay...
10:39:06midkayshut it, shar.
10:39:06midkay:D
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10:40:28JdGordonwell.. the x5 manual is useless... "please add correct keys"
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10:44:37sharpemaybe it's telling you something.
10:47:51JdGordoni dont have an x5, so bit difficult to corect them
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10:53:32_per_hey, if i want to update rockbox (with the newest daily build), what do i need to replace?
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10:54:47sharpe_per_: just extract a new build to your player...
10:54:55_per_ok
10:55:01_per_thx
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10:55:06sharpewelcome.
10:57:15sharpewell, i've done my good deed for the day.
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11:00:13midkayHAHAHA.
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11:04:19sharpei feel sick.
11:07:10midkaywhy?
11:07:50sharpei don't know. i just do.
11:09:09midkayit was the good deed.
11:09:51sharpeah, maybe.
11:09:59sharpeahah. going to the "Read This!" option in the registered doom one menu, still causes the plugin to exit.
11:11:24midkayhaha.
11:11:50sharpegiving me the feeling we do not want people to read it.
11:13:37midkayhaha.
11:14:00sharpei guess i'm funny at five thirteen in the morning.
11:15:05_apo_http://www.dustrunners.com/dl/Pig_and_the_Box.pdf :D
11:15:36_apo_The archenemy of Captain Copyright :P
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11:19:27sharpei still can't figure out how i'm going to layout the memory for the kernel... hah...
11:20:27midkayHAA AHAHAHAAAA.
11:20:38sharpe...
11:24:17midkayyou said "hah" indicating your statement was hilarious.
11:24:26midkayi just followed up with the assumed-appropriate response.
11:25:36sharpealright...
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12:21:49oboCould any devs look at a patch for me please?
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12:28:53JdGordonhey LinusN, good news :)
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12:29:02JdGordonalmost ready to commit
12:29:03LinusN?
12:29:05LinusNnice
12:29:27LinusNi'm really eager to give it a try
12:29:35JdGordonall the working targets have mappings
12:29:57JdGordonsome keys may have been changed, but its pretty close.. im trying th eondio mapping in the sim now, it needs work
12:29:59LinusNregarding the target tree, i have a few concerns
12:30:11JdGordonbut ipod/x5/iriver/recoder all are fine (i tihnk)
12:30:12JdGordon?
12:30:48LinusNthe apps/ tree was not intended to have target specific code
12:31:16LinusNbut the button<->action mapping is kind of a special case
12:31:55LinusNthe firmware/ and apps/ split is a really old legacy from the really early days of rockbox
12:32:01JdGordonfor the ondio, is it ok if up/down change settings and left/right is used for cancel/accept? and maybe have the mode button for next setting (i dont know if there is any screens for that target with more than 1 setting on the screen)?
12:32:48LinusNi don't know much about the ondio, i don't have one
12:33:27JdGordoneve tho it is a special case, shouldnt all target specific code go in the tree? even if its not really used by the firmware?
12:34:15LinusNJdGordon: the split goes the other way around too, the firmware/ directory can't have application specific code
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12:34:39LinusNand the contexts are really app specific
12:35:06JdGordonok, well your call, so if you prefer it under apps im fine
12:35:31LinusNi think i do that for now at least
12:36:40JdGordonok
12:38:25JdGordoni dont like the ondio mapping, but im not going to be able to get it any better only playing in the sim :(
12:39:04LinusNamiconn should be able to answer questions about the ondio
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12:40:50JdGordonk
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12:42:57JdGordonso what level do you want it to be at before commiting? i think its ready to go now asside from some button mappings might need to be changed
12:43:21LinusNi think we are ready, i'll try it out first
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12:44:18JdGordonabout to upload a new ver onto wiki, unless u just want a link?
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12:44:30LinusNplease update the wiki
12:44:39JdGordoni tinhk it needs a forum post and possibly a mailing list post before commiting tho
12:45:00LinusNbecause?
12:45:53JdGordonsome keys may have been configured wrongly
12:45:58JdGordonand some just plain changed
12:46:13JdGordonalso, no remotes except iriver
12:46:27LinusNsure
12:46:29JdGordonwiki updated
12:46:33LinusNgr8
12:47:05JdGordonsure = do the post?
12:48:07LinusNsure, go ahead and post
12:48:16LinusNi'll check it out in the mean time
12:48:17linuxstbJdGordon: Has anyone tested on an ipod?
12:49:30JdGordonlinuxstb: febs did on friday and it didnt work at all :D but i have tested in the sim and its fixed, but if you can test it, it would be great
12:49:55JdGordonwhich version? ill link you save patching your source
12:53:52linuxstbJdGordon: OK, I'll have a quick go now.
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12:54:30JdGordonyou want me to compile it for you?
12:54:54linuxstbIt's OK - I've just downloaded your patch.
12:55:35LinusNJdGordon: i miss action.c and all the keymaps
12:56:01JdGordonah crap, i thought i added them all :'(
12:56:02JdGordon1 min
12:56:18LinusNwait a sec
12:56:35LinusNkeymaps are there
12:56:39LinusNi only miss action.c
12:57:11JdGordonjdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/action.c">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/action.c
12:57:15LinusNbtw, do you really have to include "../action.h"?
12:57:24LinusNisn't "action.h" anough?
12:57:30LinusNenough
12:57:37JdGordoni dont know? i didnt try it
12:57:46JdGordonit doesnt really make a difference does it?
12:57:52LinusNit might
12:58:15JdGordonoh, this breaks sudoku, so ill start the plugin lib verison
12:58:41JdGordonany thoughts how we want to handle the plugins?
12:58:48LinusNnot really
12:59:01LinusNi believe the std map should work fine for most of them
12:59:29LinusNexcept for the "hard core" ones, like rockboy, doom, pacbox etc
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13:00:57linuxstbWhere does action.c go? Just in apps/ ?
13:01:01JdGordonye
13:01:17linuxstbOK
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13:02:19JdGordon../ can be removed from the actions.h incluide line. just tested it
13:03:13LinusNleft/right don't work very well in the wps
13:03:16LinusN(x5)
13:06:47linuxstbJdGordon: It doesn't even compile for the ipods...
13:07:08JdGordondamn, and really?? hmm
13:07:10linuxstbkeymap-ipod.c contains lots of references to non-existent buttons like UP, DOWN, ON, OFF...
13:07:42linuxstbI'll try and fix.
13:07:51JdGordonim not sure how that happens, probably last night while i was fiddling while drunk :p
13:08:21linuxstbWhat's ACTION_STD_LONGMENU for?
13:08:24JdGordonLinusN: how does it not work well? not responsive enough? or?
13:08:32JdGordonlinuxstb: delete that line, it was removed
13:08:41LinusNmany button presses are lost
13:08:42JdGordoni thought i got rid of them from all the keymap files
13:08:49linuxstbIt's just commented out.
13:09:06linuxstbHow do I access the quick menu?
13:09:35linuxstbI mean, what ACTION?
13:09:35JdGordonLinusN: ye, oops, that was definatly my idiocy in drunken state
13:09:53JdGordonlinuxstb: actions_wps_quickmenu
13:10:02linuxstbWhat about from the file browser?
13:10:22NeekeetosGuys, who developed the main rockbox structure? I mean not source but idea how it could be?
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13:11:59JdGordonlinuxstb: longmenu :p
13:12:10JdGordonactually.. hang on
13:12:56JdGordonlinuxstb: nothing atm, its ifdef'ed out
13:13:32*JdGordon apologises, put longmenu back in
13:13:42JdGordon{ ACTION_STD_LONGMENU, BUTTON_MENU|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_MENU },
13:13:59LinusNNeekeetos: please explain what you mean
13:14:09linuxstbWhy "longmenu" in the file browser, and "quickscreen" in the WPS?
13:14:31JdGordoni dunno :p, which sounds better?
13:14:42NeekeetosLinusN: I mean that in actual rockbox fw we have several interfaces for example
13:15:00NeekeetosLinusN: can call it api
13:15:01linuxstbJdGordon: IMO it should be "quickscreen" - as that's the purpose of the action.
13:15:25JdGordonlinuxstb: i guess i did longmenu to keep it more generic, but quickscreen oes sound better, untill its actually used for sometihng else
13:15:34Neekeetoslinuxstb: and also fw is divided to layers and blocks
13:15:37JdGordonok, ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN it is
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13:16:21NeekeetosLinusN: who is the person/person which developed this?
13:16:30Neekeetospersons
13:16:36LinusNwell, I and Bjrn Stenberg started the project
13:16:45Neekeetoshm
13:17:02Neekeetosthan maybe you can help me in my case
13:17:05Neekeetos?
13:17:36FebsThe Rockbox credits have about 200 names.
13:18:17dionoeahello
13:18:19NeekeetosFebs: nobody except creators know exactly how it could look like in whole
13:18:29JdGordonLinusN: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-x5.c">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/keymap-x5.c is the fixed version
13:18:50NeekeetosFebs: i mean you can contribute to this project without full knowledge on how it works
13:18:54linuxstbNeekeetos: That doesn't make sense... Anyone that can read the whole code can understand it.
13:19:09FebsYou can also create a project and 3 years later have no idea of what it has become.
13:19:15FebsIf you have a question, just ask it.
13:19:40linuxstbNeekeetos: I would guess that no single person is familiar with every corner of Rockbox.
13:19:48LinusNnot even i
13:20:44Neekeetos:)
13:20:53Neekeetosok here is my question again
13:20:56Neekeetos^
13:20:57Neekeetos:
13:21:39NeekeetosAvery one knows that some players are Sigmatel based
13:22:03Neekeetosi believe it's good idea to port the rockbox to that hw
13:22:33LinusNNeekeetos: i'm sure it is a good idea
13:22:46Neekeetosand i,ve already done some work on it
13:22:54LinusNnow we're talking
13:23:10Neekeetosi have working toolchain for Sigmatel
13:23:25linuxstbWhich Sigmatel are you working with?
13:23:34Neekeetos3502
13:24:36Neekeetosand i wrote fw which works with almost any hw on my player( exception only USB)
13:25:15linuxstbJdGordon: In fact, looking at keymap-ipod.c, almost every mapping is wrong :) I think you must have copied the wrong target...
13:25:33Neekeetosthat means - hw is ready for porting rockbox on it
13:25:38Neekeetosbut
13:25:53JdGordonlinuxstb: oh ok, sorry
13:25:56JdGordonill fix it up
13:26:15linuxstbThanks.
13:26:48Neekeetosrockbox fw structure does not allow to port it directly to Sigmatel platform
13:27:20linuxstbWhat are the issues?
13:27:31Neekeetosbecause sigmatel chips have limited ammount of RAM and special usage of it
13:27:37LinusNkeymaps/keymap-x5.c:43: error: `ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN' undeclared here
13:28:20linuxstbNeekeetos: How is the RAM organised? And how much do you have?
13:28:24Neekeetosharward architecture imply 3 separate memory fields
13:28:37Neekeetosdifferent for program code
13:28:50Neekeetosand two spaces for data
13:29:06JdGordonLinusN: add it somewhere in action.h or dw about it and ill fix everything up and try again
13:29:22JdGordonlinuxstb: do you mean the button names are all wrong? or the mappings are wrong?
13:29:23Neekeetosmaximum ammount of memory for every mem - 64KWords
13:29:37linuxstbJdGordon: A little of both
13:29:44JdGordonok
13:30:11Neekeetoschip itself have 96 KWords of memory
13:30:25JdGordonI dont want this to feel like me passing the buck, but I can fix the button names, the actual mappings is difficult
13:30:32JdGordon(i dont have an ipod)
13:30:36Neekeetoswhich can be allocated in different manner between X,Y and P spaces
13:31:39linuxstbJdGordon: I'm not refusing the buck, but I have to go now. If you don't fix it, I can try and look at it later.
13:31:51JdGordonok, ill see how i go
13:31:56Neekeetosas you can see it is not possible to fit 600kb rockbox kernel directly to chip
13:32:03LinusNJdGordon: we don't expect you to have all the mappings correct
13:32:48Neekeetosso guys , what is your ideas?
13:32:50LinusNNeekeetos: 600kb???
13:32:52JdGordon:) im annoyed that i tinhk its all ready and then it doesnt even compile :'( good thing i have nothing better to do today :)
13:33:09Neekeetosits listed on rockbox site
13:33:21LinusNwhere?
13:33:32Neekeetoshm , somewhere
13:33:46Neekeetosis it differ in reality?
13:33:51Mikachumy reockbox.ipod is 400kB
13:34:00Neekeetoshm
13:34:04JdGordon370k on h300
13:34:07Neekeetosok
13:34:12JdGordon340 sorry
13:34:32dionoea147k on archos recoreder
13:34:41dionoeai wonder why it's half size
13:35:10dionoea-e
13:35:26LinusNdionoea: a lot less bitmaps and shit
13:35:37LinusNand no software codecs
13:35:42Neekeetosit's still very big for Sigmatel :(
13:35:47dionoeamost bitmaps are in the plugins no ?
13:35:55LinusNdionoea: yes
13:36:19Mikachui'm not counting the codecs here
13:36:33LinusNNeekeetos: i guess we would have to find out some kind of overlay scheme
13:36:43Neekeetosyes, exactly
13:37:13LinusNand i think plugins would be pretty hard to handle, no?
13:37:14Neekeetosdats why i was searchin for creators - we need to change the kernel
13:37:52Neekeetoswhat about plugins?
13:38:07LinusNthey are dynamically loaded into ram
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13:38:47Neekeetosthere will be no problem with dynamic loading - it's the main concept of work for sigmatel
13:38:54Neekeetosoverlays
13:39:33LinusNok, so you have a 64k code segment, which can be changed with a segment pointer of some kind?
13:39:45Neekeetosno
13:40:02Neekeetosaddress space only 16 bit for each RAM
13:41:12LinusNhow much ROM is there on your player?
13:41:56JdGordonok, i tinhk the ipod keys are fixed (it seems fine in the sim)
13:42:06NeekeetosSigmatel chip itself have zero ammount of user defined rom - nand flash is used for fw
13:42:36dionoeaJdGordon: did you update the patch on the wiki ?
13:42:44LinusNJdGordon: i can't ff/rew with the current keymap, it switches track first
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13:43:24JdGordonLinusN: with the one from my webspace?
13:43:29LinusNyes
13:43:33JdGordondionoea: yes, but its no worky
13:43:47sharpethat reminds me. i must find some webhosting, somewhere...
13:43:50JdGordonhmm.. thats what i thought would happen, which is why i fiddled... i think we have a problem
13:43:58midkaysharpe: let me know what you find. :)
13:44:12dionoeaoh ... i was about to do a recorder build to test. Where should i get the latest patch ?
13:44:37sharpemidkay: well, i do remember one... actually, had very cheap hosting... you paid for what you used...
13:45:04midkayhm.
13:45:08dionoeacan't you get free webhosting ?
13:45:26sharpeah... i don't really want to :\
13:46:09sharpeand notmany free hosts provide php and mysql access...
13:46:38dionoeafrench ISP provider free.fr provides 1GB webspace with php and mysql for free
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13:48:24JdGordonLinusN: before, you said it was eating keypresses? which?
13:48:33LinusNleft/right
13:48:49JdGordondid long left/right work?
13:49:00LinusNyes, after a loooong wait
13:49:15JdGordonhmm.. odd
13:49:21LinusNyes
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13:50:25LinusNJdGordon: i think it might have to do with the timeout
13:50:36dionoeadoes the latest patch from jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/ work ?
13:50:39JdGordondionoea: jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff can you see if ffwd/rwd and skip next/back work in the wps please?
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13:50:54JdGordonLinusN: the timeout in the wps?
13:51:09LinusNthe handling of last_button and timeouts in action.c
13:51:42LinusNlast_button is set to BUTTON_NONE when button_get_w_tmo times out
13:52:17sharpemidkay: i found it again.
13:52:19LinusNthen maybe the pre_button code test fails
13:52:53midkaysharpe: .. yay..!
13:52:55dionoeahum ... doesn't build with patch
13:53:00sharpemidkay: yep.
13:53:08LinusNthe old button code with the _PRE stuff ignored timeouts
13:53:14JdGordonits either there or gwps.c, it waits HZ/5 for presses,
13:53:51LinusNso on screens with _w_tmo calls, the pre_button_code test fails if it timeouts
13:53:53JdGordoncan you change that and see if it works? i cant copy to target atm and wps in sim isnt very useful
13:54:15LinusNyou haven't tested on your own player?
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13:55:03JdGordonnot since friday :D
13:55:07LinusNouch
13:55:17LinusNlet me see what i can do
13:55:53JdGordoni killed my hdd on friday and im working off knoppix and remote X knoppix doesnt have ssh so its difficult.. but i can if you cant atm
13:56:06dionoeaJdGordon: is rockbox supposed to build fine with the patch applied ? or do i need to change stuff before it does ?
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13:56:40LinusNJdGordon: what's the purpose of last_i?
13:56:51JdGordondionoea: it should build fine, apart from sudoku.c
13:57:04dionoeawell i get this:
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13:57:05dionoeamake[1]: *** No rule to make target `/mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/action.o', needed by `/mnt/test/rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/rockbox.elf'. Stop.
13:57:29JdGordonlast_i is supposed to speed up the list checking, but im not sure if it actually works, which is why int i=*start is commented out in the do_button_check fuinction
13:57:56LinusNi see
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13:58:45JdGordonthe idea being it jumps to that position because its 99% for sure going to return the same value...
13:58:52LinusNignore_until_release must check the SYS_ bit first
13:59:01LinusNah, no
13:59:05LinusNsilly me
13:59:26JdGordonye, SYS_ is checked before that
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14:00:02LinusNi'm not entirely sure that last_button should be updated when button == BUTTON_NONE (i.e timeout)
14:00:39JdGordoncomment it out and test?
14:00:44LinusNwill do
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14:01:06JdGordondionoea: i just did a ipod target build, rockbox.elf compiled fine
14:01:15JdGordondo make clean && make
14:01:30dionoeai did rm -rf ipod; mkdir ipod and configure again
14:01:44JdGordonwow, wierd..
14:01:45dionoeai'll try a simulator build
14:02:01JdGordondid you apply the patch to cvs or to already patched source?
14:02:53dionoeato clean cvs
14:03:12JdGordonhmm.. odd
14:03:48dionoeahum, in fact i had it configured for a recorder build :/
14:04:28JdGordonLinusN: it doesnt make sense that that is the problem, because how can it timeout between button press and button_repeat? or is that an underlying problem?
14:04:39dionoeawell it still doesn't work as a real ipod build
14:05:00dionoeasim doesn't work as well
14:05:37JdGordonyour path looks odd.. are you sure you have the paths correct? /rockbox/rockbox/build/ipod/apps/rockbox.elf shouldnt rockbox.elf be one level up?
14:05:58JdGordonno, my bad
14:06:45LinusNJdGordon: it can easily timeout, since get_action is called with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK
14:07:32JdGordonnot in the wps code... or are you talking about the whole ui?
14:08:03dionoeaJdGordon: hum ... i don't have action.C
14:08:14dionoeait's not in the patch i guess
14:08:28JdGordonoh bloody hell... didnt it add it again ? :'(
14:08:52dionoeawell i can download it from your webserver if it's the good version
14:08:54JdGordoni even made sure i had -uN in the cmd
14:09:20JdGordonyup, its hte latest
14:12:41LinusNJdGordon: gwps.c, line 164
14:13:16JdGordonAH!
14:14:47JdGordonok, i just copied it onto my h300, i can go next/prev track and vol+- works (being held down and click), but holding l/r doesnt work
14:15:34LinusNJdGordon: do you have a peak meter?
14:15:42JdGordonapart from the actual button, vol+- and long l/r are the same in the list.. and no
14:17:44LinusNi'm thinking about masking _REL from the pre_button_code check
14:17:47JdGordonactually.. ignore that last thing, i think it didnt do rolo and i was on old code
14:17:50LinusNsorry, _REPEAT
14:18:31dionoeahum ... the recorder keymap doesn't work well ... i can't go back to a higher directory
14:19:47JdGordonim confused now, rolo reset my settings (expected) so now i have a peak meter.. holding right works, but u have to release and quick press right again for it to start playign again
14:20:16JdGordonand no other buttons work!
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14:22:57JdGordon/ last_button = button; didnt change anything
14:24:11stripwaxOn the ipod 5g, does the USB hardware also handle the usb protocol or is that all implemented in the ipod software? (or do we not yet know)
14:24:17LinusNwell, it changed things, but not necessarily for the better
14:24:26sharpestripwax!
14:24:32LinusNJdGordon: i have a tip:
14:24:47stripwaxhey
14:24:53LinusNuse logf to record the keystrokes on target
14:25:23JdGordonye, i tinhk im going to have to..
14:25:28LinusNthen set up test bench in the sim where you play back the exact sequence as if it came from the button driver
14:25:38LinusNand use gdb to debug it
14:26:04JdGordonbtw, you were right about the pm, the tree and menu buttons dont work if the wps has it
14:27:45JdGordonLinusN: i tihnk gwps.c 164 should be turned back to button_get()
14:28:20JdGordonit will still eat the button tho
14:28:39LinusNwps is not the only place with timeouts
14:29:26JdGordonno, but i dont tihnk that is a problem elsewhere
14:29:29LinusNany place where timeout < keyrepeat rate will have issues with last_button
14:30:26LinusNthat's why you have BUTTON_NONE as the pre_button_code for repeated buttons in the keymaps
14:30:42LinusNwhere it really shouldn't be
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14:31:31LinusNyou can't have BUTTON_NONE before BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT
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14:31:47LinusNbecause you must get a BUTTON_LEFT before it
14:32:00LinusNbut it works for you because you get a timeout in between
14:32:24LinusNand then it sets last_button to BUTTON_NONE
14:32:44JdGordonok
14:32:57LinusNthis is why i think you must ignore timeouts in the button check
14:33:12LinusNthis will get us in another mess though
14:33:33LinusNbecause with this scheme, we would need two entries for repeated keys
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14:33:48LinusNBUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_LEFT
14:33:57LinusNBUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT
14:34:07LinusNunless we ignore REPEAT
14:34:07dionoeais WPS_KEYLOCK gone ?
14:35:00JdGordondionoea: for the time being, i wasnt sure how it should be handled
14:35:07dionoeaok
14:36:02JdGordonLinusN: ok, well commenitng out last_button = NULL; killed all buttons.
14:36:30dionoeaand the AB setmarkers buttons ?
14:36:41LinusNlast_button = NULL?
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14:36:59JdGordonwhen it timeouts
14:37:19LinusNyou must mean last_button_list = NULL
14:37:22JdGordonim trying to tihnk of a way to save us hassle and allow button_none as the prereq
14:37:36Febsipod users: are the top and bottom panels of the mini, 4g, and color the same as the video? Top panel: hold on the left, headphone jack on the right. Bottom panel: dock connector.
14:37:39JdGordonsorry, last_button = button
14:37:47LinusNJdGordon: but what good is the prereq then?
14:38:03LinusNyou mean BUTTON_NONE == ignore?
14:38:11JdGordonim sure there is a way it would work, no
14:38:22JdGordonsomething fancy with bitmasks
14:38:52LinusNmy idea is to ignore timeouts, and mask _REPEAT in the prereq check
14:40:30JdGordonprereq = items[i].pre_button_code&(~BUTTON_REPEAT); ?
14:40:41LinusNyes
14:40:56LinusNbut the other way around
14:41:17JdGordon?
14:41:23LinusNyou remove BUTTON_REPEAT from the button code before comparing with prereq
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14:42:05JdGordonremove from last_button? or this button?
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14:42:27Genre9mp3Febs: I don't have an iPod but I think they are all the same... btw, here's a pic of 3g: http://www.apple.com/r/store/gallery/ipod3/images/6.jpg
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14:44:52Genre9mp3Febs: iPod Nano has also an AC input at bottom right: http://www.avenue-d.com/welcome/ipod/img/agent18nano_top_02.jpg
14:45:23FebsI'm not concerned about the nano. I'm writing the descriptions of the players for the blind for the manual, and the nano part is already done.
14:45:29JdGordonLinusN: ok, i tihnk i have no idea what your thinging, im just makgin the buttons worse :p
14:45:36dionoeaJdGordon: i updated the recorder keymap a bit: dionoea/keymap-recorder.c">http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/keymap-recorder.c
14:45:43LinusNJdGordon: i'll have a stab at it
14:45:49JdGordonta
14:45:53JdGordonand ta
14:46:13Genre9mp3Febs: The Mini is different actually: http://www.whiningdog.net/Reviews/Apple/iPod/20040621-VajaiVod/pics/top1.jpg
14:47:22FebsThanks. What is that to the left of the headphone jack? Some sort of remote control connector?
14:47:59Genre9mp3Most probably...not sure though
14:49:07Genre9mp3Here's a pic of 4g: http://www.boxwave.com/images_bw/products/thumbnails/as_ipod4g_top_lg.jpg
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14:53:01FebsGenre9mp3, thanks, those pictures were very helpful.
14:54:12linuxstbFebs: All ipods apart from (I think) the 5g and Nano have a remote connector next to the headphone jack - this is for accessories that plug into both the headphone jack and remote connector at the same time - a bit similar to the H1x0's remote connector IIRC.
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15:08:58LinusNJdGordon: ok, i think i got it working
15:09:13JdGordongreat :)
15:09:32LinusNthis is what i did
15:09:50LinusN1) don't set last_button on timeout
15:11:03LinusN2) include _REPEAT in the prereq's, unfortunately meaning that we have 2 entries for repeated keys, one with and one without _REPEAT in the prereq
15:11:28LinusN3) invent a new action, ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK
15:11:49LinusNotherwise it doesn't leave the seek state when i release the button
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15:12:25JdGordon@) can be go t around by doing last_button = button&(~BUTTON_REPEAT); cant it?
15:12:30JdGordon2) even
15:12:35LinusNre 2), it might be possible to ignore _REPEAT in the prereq if the button code has REPEAT, as a special case in the button check code
15:13:15LinusNJdGordon: no, that didn't work, because then it will confuse the repeated keys with the ordinary ones in other cases
15:13:28JdGordonok
15:15:00LinusNhere's an excerpt from my keymap:
15:15:09LinusN { ACTION_STD_NEXT, BUTTON_DOWN, BUTTON_NONE },
15:15:09LinusN { ACTION_STD_NEXTREPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN },
15:15:09LinusN { ACTION_STD_NEXTREPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_DOWN|BUTTON_REPEAT },
15:15:46JdGordonok
15:16:09LinusNand i also define STOPSEEK twice, like this:
15:16:15LinusN { ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_LEFT|BUTTON_REPEAT },
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15:16:21LinusN { ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT },
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15:17:56JdGordonok cool, so it mostly works well now?
15:18:03LinusNseems so
15:18:36LinusNthe keymaps must be updated for this change
15:18:55LinusNso the prereqs are correct
15:19:15JdGordonye, do you tihnk its better to do the check for the special case and make the keymap file easier? or not check and more painful?
15:19:18Genre9mp3Isn't this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5666 similar to this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5575 ???
15:19:29LinusNbut now the keymaps are very straightforward and logical, imho
15:19:36Genre9mp3Maybe someone close one of the two?
15:20:07LinusNpick one :-)
15:20:34JdGordonso every item that has repeat needs two actions for it?
15:21:13LinusNGenre9mp3: i like the circular reference in the comment of #5575 :-)
15:21:18LinusNJdGordon: yes
15:22:07JdGordonso codewise, 2 &'s and a == or lots more in the array? i tihnk check (because im lazy, and it might make it a touch smaller?)
15:22:26LinusNJdGordon: i'll have a look
15:22:46Genre9mp3LinusN: hehe, yes...he probably wanted to comment this on 5666
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15:23:08LinusNi think we should close the newest of the two
15:23:34JdGordonLinusN: we could almost get away with saying that if the button has repeat then there is no actual need to set a prereq because it must be the button without repeat?
15:23:46JdGordoneven less work then :D
15:24:54LinusNit might work, but i suspect that there might be problems with button combinations
15:25:30LinusNwe *could* perhaps introduce a BUTTON_ANY, for example 0xffffffff
15:25:57JdGordonthats the same as none almost tho
15:26:27LinusNbut not exactly
15:26:47LinusNthere are occasions where we need to separate BUTTON_NONE and BUTTON_ANY, for example STOPSEEK
15:27:14LinusNhmm, bad example i think, but anyway
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15:27:53JdGordoni see the difference, na i tihnk it might not be a good idea,
15:28:06JdGordonpeople might start actually checking for that button then
15:28:37JdGordonleave it as explicitly stating the prereq and check for the special case
15:28:44LinusNwell, "people", that's us
15:29:52LinusNi kind of like when there are no special cases
15:30:02JdGordonyes, and people who come 6 months down the track and see button_any and fail to see why their button loop never exits :D
15:30:17LinusN"press any key to continue" :-)
15:30:25JdGordonadding the speciall case could half the array size on some targets
15:30:26JdGordon:D
15:30:55LinusNat the moment, i'm more worried about execution time than array size
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15:31:42JdGordonit would only need to check if the current button is &BUTTON_REPEAT no? so its only 1 if and a &
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15:31:54JdGordoni doubt you would notice a difference
15:32:09Genre9mp3LinusN: Yes... the newest one should be closed...someone with access should close it I guess
15:33:35LinusNdone
15:33:39*S0ap finally has caught up on his IRC reading after being away for 5 days. Nice to see BigMac has chilled.
15:34:24LinusNJdGordon: i'm not sure i follow you
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15:34:42Genre9mp3S0ap: You never know when he'll strike back!
15:35:24LinusNyou mean to strip _REPEAT from last_button if (button & REPEAT)?
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15:37:05JdGordonye
15:37:10JdGordonif (items[i].button_code == button)
15:37:14JdGordon {
15:37:18JdGordon if (button&BUTTON_REPEAT)
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15:37:22JdGordon {
15:37:26JdGordon if (items[i].pre_button_code == last_button&(~BUTTON_REPEAT))
15:37:30JdGordon {
15:37:33JdGordon ret = items[i].action_code;
15:37:34JdGordon break;
15:37:34JdGordon }
15:37:35DBUGEnqueued KICK JdGordon
15:37:35JdGordon }
15:37:35JdGordonelse if (exisiting code)
15:37:50JdGordonso the overhead is acceptable
15:37:59LinusNi was thinking about this:
15:38:06LinusN(before the loop)
15:38:09LinusN if(button & BUTTON_REPEAT)
15:38:09LinusN last_button &= ~BUTTON_REPEAT;
15:38:34JdGordonsame thing in less code i guess :D
15:40:35LinusNworked fine
15:40:43JdGordonawesome
15:40:58LinusNi wonder if we lose something by doing that...
15:41:06aliaskGood luck on getting this stuff out guys, and g'night
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15:41:11LinusNnite aliask
15:41:44LinusNi can't think of any weird combos that would need this
15:41:51JdGordonits not working here, so i must have broken something somewhre else
15:42:06JdGordondid you touch gwps.c?
15:42:18JdGordonsorry, forgot to rolo again
15:42:21LinusNgwps-common.c
15:42:46LinusNand action.[ch]
15:43:10JdGordoncan you email or upload them somewhere please?
15:43:15LinusNsure
15:43:25JdGordonim getting some very funny behaviour :)
15:43:35LinusNi'm sure you do
15:44:21JdGordonthe only buttons which are working now are hold left/right and they both ffwd :D
15:46:12LinusNhttp://linus.haxx.se/action/
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15:48:29JdGordonthanks
15:50:55JdGordonstill doesnt work here, my keymap file must be stuffed
15:52:42JdGordonwoops, forgot to add the stopseek
15:53:49LinusNit's nice that several combos can yield the same action
15:54:07JdGordonwoohooo... you da maan D:
15:54:10JdGordonall good now
15:54:14LinusNcool
15:54:27JdGordonso what else can we realise is broken and spend 3 hours fixing? :'(
15:54:31LinusNjd here's what i'd like to do
15:55:09LinusNi want it to compile cleanly, i.e fix the plugin compilation errors
15:55:59LinusNwhich means putting back the MENU_xxx #defines, i guess
15:56:29JdGordonthats the easy way.. and anything else?
15:57:02LinusNwell, basically we need to produce a patch that applies and compiles cleanly on all targets
15:57:36LinusNit would be nice if most keymaps were ok too
15:58:02LinusNwhat about the wps keylock on the archos?
15:58:51JdGordoni dont know.. also the F* handling needs thinking about
15:58:58LinusNreally?
15:59:17JdGordonoh, the h300-sim build is broken because remote_type() is not in the sim
15:59:32LinusNah, yes
15:59:43JdGordonwell, do we just call them ACTION_STD_F* and call it quits? or give them a proper name?
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16:00:06LinusNgood question
16:00:38JdGordoniriver keys should be correct and ready to go
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16:01:49LinusNJdGordon: you want to have the F-buttons in the std map?
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16:02:22JdGordoni dont know, can we give them a name? or are they really target specific?
16:03:12LinusNwell, the archos has two quick menus, something i think no other target has
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16:04:46JdGordonwell, if we give them meaningful names it might be possible to add them?
16:05:41LinusNyeah
16:05:47bluebrotherFebs, you're in?
16:05:51LinusNi'll fix that
16:07:25JdGordonok, all the keymaps should be correct
16:07:51JdGordonim doing a diff now
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16:12:10LinusNlooks like you don't handle the quickmenu at all in tree.c
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16:12:11*JdGordon is pulling down a new cvs tree and testing the diff
16:12:30JdGordoni tihnk i added it since the last update
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16:12:58JdGordonhey Bger, u missed all the fun
16:13:08JdGordonLinusN: latest actions.diff is in my webspace
16:13:13LinusNok
16:13:24JdGordonjdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff">http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/rockbox/actions.diff
16:13:51JdGordonthat doesnt affect menu.h so it should compile fine
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16:15:54JdGordondamn cvs server is slow atm
16:17:34JdGordondoh! didnt do cvs up before diffing, got a few fails in the patch :'(
16:19:11JdGordonand they are all because Bjorn's (c) message has a space at the end :p
16:19:47JdGordonor maybe its the unicode letter stuffing it up, or something
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16:20:20LinusNi see that your editor seems to remove trailing spaces automatically
16:20:42JdGordonno, i just checked, its not, it must be the o in his name?
16:20:56JdGordon+ * Copyright (C) 2002 Bj�n Stenberg
16:21:15JdGordonthe o looks wrong
16:21:24LinusNmaybe your editor has issues with unicode
16:22:01JdGordoncould be
16:22:03LinusNi want that to be a simple iso8896-1
16:22:46Febsbluebrother, sorry, just saw your page.
16:22:51FebsWhat's up?
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16:24:01JdGordonh300 target builds fine, no warnings
16:26:20LinusNJdGordon: i think tree.c, line 847 needs a call to action_signalscreenchange()
16:27:25JdGordonyep, it does
16:27:35LinusNotherwise it resumes in a paused state
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16:28:13JdGordonand last_button can be removed there probably
16:28:21LinusNguess so
16:28:31JdGordonondio build is broken
16:28:34bluebrotherFebs, I just noticed you replaced the {} behind macros with \'s. Like \dap{} to \dap\
16:28:42JdGordonundefined reference to `_quick_screen_quick
16:29:28bluebrotherthe brackets were intended −− the \ can produce unwanted spaces in the output, so I'm favoring the {} variant (as it is completely correct)
16:30:34LinusNJdGordon: ondio has no quick screen, to my knowledge
16:31:06JdGordonye, it needs to be ifdefd out, or defined in the .h which would add that code to the ondio for nothing
16:31:24JdGordonby that code i mean the ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN case
16:32:29LinusNwell it is handled by the presence of a button define in the current code
16:32:51LinusNit's not that simple now
16:33:02Febsbluebrother, OK, I'll change those back. I was trying to track down a mysterious compiler error so I was just trying different things to see what worked.
16:33:17JdGordon#ifdef HAVE_QUICKSCREEN
16:33:30JdGordonput that above the ACTION_STD_QUICKSCREEN case and all is fine
16:33:44bluebrothernp, you can just leave them but there's no need to change them also ;-)
16:33:56LinusNthe confusing part here is that there are two quickscreens on the recorder
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16:34:02bluebrothermysterious error? Sounds mysterious ;-)
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16:34:12JdGordonLinusN: rename them then :D
16:34:28LinusN:-)
16:34:54_FireFly_WPS_QUICKSCREEN and QUICKSCREEN maybe ?
16:35:09_FireFly_or the second FILETREE_QUICKSCREEN
16:35:36FebsNot surprisingly, the mysterious error turned out not to be a missing bracket ... not so mysterious after all.
16:35:47Febsout not to be/out to be
16:35:54LinusNto be or not to be
16:36:11FebsThat is the question.
16:36:16LinusN:-)
16:36:16_FireFly_that is the question ;)
16:36:18JdGordon_FireFly_: no, one quickscreen is the regular one and the other is shortcut to sound settings.. or sometihng.. isnt it?
16:36:22_FireFly_oh too slow ;)
16:36:36LinusNlcd settings
16:36:57LinusNcould be as easy as QUICKSCREEN2
16:36:58_FireFly_JdGordon: yeah but only accessibly when you are in wps i guess
16:37:59_FireFly_hmm wait that screen can also be accessed when you are in the filetree because the two quickscreens has different key-defines
16:39:11LinusNi believe QUICKSCREEN2 would be fine
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16:44:17FebsBluebrother, I've substantial progress today writing a "Working with Playlists" chapter for the manual.
16:44:31bluebrothergreat :)
16:44:47FebsI'll probably add the file to CVS later today, although I won't yet actually add it to the manual.
16:44:57JdGordonLinusN: completly changing the subject.. are you going to commit the dirwalker patch?
16:45:16LinusNoh, i had forgotten about that one
16:45:21bluebrotherunfortunately I won't have much time for the next couple of times. Hopefully this changes in a week or so.
16:45:45FebsReal life has an annoying habit of getting in the way.
16:46:02bluebrotheryeah. Especially in situations when you at least need it.
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16:53:38tucozhi bluebrother, febs. Nice work on the manual :)
16:54:06bluebrotherhi tucoz, nice to see you again :)
16:54:23tucozbluebrother, I have started to change the \pagerefs to \ref. Do you think I should continiue to work on this?
16:55:00bluebrotherabsolutely. "See page xxx" looks kinda strange in the html manual ;-)
16:55:01tucozOr should I write a macro that will handle references instead?
16:55:35tucozyeah, the html manual is definitley in need of another reference system
16:55:41bluebrotherbut then you need to change the text with a macro ... I don't think this will work as expected.
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16:55:56tucozprobably. \ref will do
16:56:01bluebrotherbut I was always in favor of referencing to sections.
16:56:06tucozme too
16:56:20tucozand we can set the depth of the sections as well (iirc)
16:56:40tucozalthough the standard depth is what I want
16:56:49rasherI'll quitely voice my preference for using "See $section (page xx)" in the pdf, and $section in html
16:57:23bluebrotherrasher, why naming the page number when references are hyperlinked in the pdf anyway?
16:57:38rasherWell, if we're going to pretend someone will print the manual at some point
16:57:51rasherReferencing sections only would be a pain in that case
16:58:17bluebrotherI don't think so. Most technical documentation references to sections only, and I'm quite used to it.
16:58:31tucozrasher: while I agree that it is easier to find a page than a section, I wouldn't go as far as referring to a section as a pain
16:59:15rasherYou have to first check the index, find the section, page number and THEN you can turn to the page
16:59:22rasheras opposed to say, having the page number right here
16:59:28JdGordon1am.. bedtime, gnight all
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16:59:54rasherI don't see how that is not annoying, assuming a printed manual
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17:00:12rasherin the pdf, it could be labelled "See gooklygook" for all I care, as long as it's hyperlinked
17:00:20bluebrotherwhen having it printed you can simply look for the chapter (which is mentioned in the page header) and quickly "browse" a few pages further to the mentioned section.
17:01:17rasherUgh, all this guesswork and browsing, just to avoid putting the page number there. I don't really see the benefit
17:01:30bluebrotherok, we could redefine the \ref macro to produce something like "\ref{#1} (page \pageref{#1})"
17:01:30stripwaxanother vote for (page xx) in the pdf..
17:01:37tucozImho, I think the in-text ref's should point to a section, and in the future use an index to find keywords.
17:01:48tucozwhich point to a page where that keyword is mentioned
17:02:10bluebrotheragreed on the index.
17:03:00tucozOne problem is that when referring to a page as opposed to a section, is that the wording is different in those two cases (see page 22, see 1.4.3)
17:03:42rasherI agree that only referencing the page is confusing
17:04:19rasherBut "see $section (p. 123)" seems by far the most reader-friendly choice to me.
17:04:36tucozI agree, but I do not agree that it is hard to find a section
17:04:55bluebrotherhmm. This indeed could be easily solved with a macro.
17:04:56tucozif finding a page is super-easy, then finding a section is easy.
17:05:06bluebrotherbut on finding a section I agree with tucoz.
17:05:32rasherI'm not saying it is rocket science, just that it's an annoyance
17:05:43rasherTo me, anyway
17:05:44LinusNhmmm, did we reach a conclusion about what to call the joystick button on the h100 series, navi or select?
17:05:57tucozI think I like select for the h100
17:06:04tucozand navi on the h300
17:06:06rasherSame here
17:06:15rasherBut then, calling them the same might be wise
17:06:20bluebrotherI like select, but otoh the remote uses navi so I'm a bit indifferent.
17:06:28LinusNme too
17:06:36tucozhmm, didn't know that
17:06:48bluebrotherselect sound more natural to me.
17:06:51LinusNthe h100 manual calls it Navi
17:06:55tucozreally?
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17:07:11LinusNthe "navi/menu button"
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17:07:25tucozI've been away for too long :)
17:07:39bluebrotherin the h1xx platform file it's definitely "select"
17:07:56LinusNthat's a name i made up when first porting the h100
17:07:58rasherI think he's talkking about the iriver Manual
17:08:10tucozoh, that
17:08:11LinusNyes i am
17:08:17bluebrotherah, ok.
17:08:28tucozmaybe we should follow that then
17:08:34LinusNi think so too
17:08:40bluebrotherin that case using navi may be a bit more convenient for users that are switching.
17:08:49rasherI agree, now.
17:08:52tucoz:)
17:08:58LinusNso be it
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17:09:11ollhi!
17:09:16tucozgood that it is an easy change. We only need to change the platform file, and the front-image
17:09:24bluebrotherbtw, wasn't there a discussion on this in some tracker thread?
17:09:25LinusNwas about to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5364 when i started thinking again
17:09:29ollI'm looking for plugin which play divx movies
17:09:32ollis there any?
17:09:34rasheroll: no
17:09:35LinusNoll: no
17:09:56rasherAnd it's unlikely that there'll be one in the near future
17:09:58ollso, only converting to mpg will help?
17:10:02tucozno
17:10:04bluebrotheroll, no
17:10:15bluebrotherrockbox doesn't support video right now.
17:10:18rasherRockbox does currently not play video on anything but Archos devices
17:10:32ollemmmmmm
17:10:34tucoz..which is a custom video format (.rvf)
17:10:45ollbad
17:10:54bluebrotherbut you can still use the OF to play movies (if that supports video)
17:11:08ollhow can I choose on loading which firmware to use?
17:11:16ollis there special bootfile for that?
17:11:17bluebrotherdepends on your player.
17:11:30olli have ipod video
17:11:44_FireFly_oll is it mostly a key combo you must hold when powering on the device
17:11:56_FireFly_s/is it/it is
17:12:02rasherStrange that my h120 won't exit bootloader usb mode when I unplug, but regular USB mode detects unplugging just fine
17:12:13ollwhere I can have more info about that?
17:12:21bluebrotherrasher, I recently had problems with usb mode too.
17:12:22ollwhat keys I have to hold?
17:12:28rasheroll: it's in the wiki somewhere
17:12:30bluebrotheroll, see the wiki. IIRC it was select.
17:12:43ollok
17:12:50ollthank you guys
17:12:54ollappreciate
17:12:55bluebrotheron ipod you can also use the ipl bootloader to get a nice menu.
17:13:05rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_start_the_original_Apple
17:13:25bluebrotherafter usb disconnect playback doesn't work anymore (h120 too)
17:13:38rasherbluebrother: well, that's completely unlike my problems
17:13:59rasherSo that's fun.
17:14:17bluebrotherok. But it's still annoying. And also usb-mode related
17:14:32rasherAlso, is speaking directories/files competely broken? It is not working for me at all
17:14:32ollis there a future plans to make a rockbox with video support and some divx stuff?
17:14:46bluebrotheroll, not in the near future.
17:15:05rasheroll: No plans. There's been sporadic work on xvid and mpeg1 afaik, but nothing too interesting
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17:15:15bluebrotherbut of course you can start writing a plugin to do so ;-)
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17:16:40webguest72rasher, any further progress on the sudoku levels patch
17:17:18rasherwebguest72: No, I did everything I could. It basically works, but there's a compile-warning that I do not know how to get rid of
17:17:38bluebrotherrasher, you need to make a typecast.
17:17:39webguest72it woould most probably even fix a bug where sudoku freezes after generating six mediums in a row to get to a hard
17:17:52ollbluebrother I'm going to think on that ;)
17:18:22rasherwebguest72: I wouldn't count on that - my patch just generates until it hits the right difficulty
17:18:46rasherso if there's any bug related to repeated generation, this approach will more than likely hit it as well
17:18:47webguest72ah it it does automatically what I would do manually ?
17:18:50rasherbluebrother: tell me more
17:19:04rasherwebguest72: exactly, there's no way to be smarter with the current code
17:19:09bluebrother sudoku_generate(state, (char*) difficulties[result]);
17:19:15rasherIt can only tell the difficulty after the fact
17:19:43bluebrotherrasher, difficulties is static while sudoku_generate expects a char*
17:20:01_FireFly_bluebrother: static isn't a type afaik
17:20:01webguest72yes i can get sudoku to freeze whilst repeatedly generating until i get to a hard
17:20:04bluebrotherbut your patch (tried it some days ago) locks up my player and the sim
17:20:27rasherbluebrother: are you sure it isn't just thinking like mad?
17:20:37rasherIt can take a while
17:20:52_FireFly_rasher: have you the warning message
17:20:59bluebrother_FireFly_, I'm referring to static char* vs. char* which is different (from the compliers view) and thus something to complain about
17:21:18bluebrotherrasher, I had the sim running for some minutes before I cancelled it.
17:21:41rasherStrange, maybe some logfing would be in order
17:21:42_FireFly_bluebrother: now it makes sense ;)
17:21:43rasheror DEBUGF
17:23:44tucozbluebrother, rasher: I'll start working on something (wrt the refs) tonight. I'll let you know before I commit anything
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17:25:10rasherIs there any point in keeping databox around at this point?
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17:30:55rasherThis is frustrating. I need to test my voice-clip generating script, but I cannot make voice work on my player
17:31:01rasherany tips?
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17:31:33rasher(I tried using the "official" talkbox winows script)
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17:33:58rasherBlimey, it's working. Now I'm left wondering what made it not work.
17:35:28rasherNow, for my next question: Where can I find information about how to build .voice files? As in, what is the structure of a voice file?
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17:39:39rasherHrm, Rockbox only plays .talk clips for Music files and directories? Bug or feature?
17:40:04rasherAlso, no voiced browsing during playback?
17:41:03rasher(This is on swcodec
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17:42:07lexomg i went accidentally to the playback settings on rockbox.. :)
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17:42:16lexnow i'll use rockbox only
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18:02:54Slasheriah, probably found the crash bug from the playback engine..
18:03:04rasher_the_ crash bug?
18:03:24Slasheriyes, when one skips alot, buffers get desynced and finally player hard crashs
18:04:04Slasheribut of course there might be more similar bugs present also
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18:04:33rasherI was more thinking, is this an often-encountered one?
18:06:19MoosHello guys !
18:06:43Slasherirasher: at least i encounter often more than once a day
18:06:51Slasheri+that
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18:07:30rasherSlasheri: do you know who I need to ask for info on voicefile structure?
18:07:46rasheror do I need to check the windows scripts
18:08:54Slasherihmm, checking talk.c (or talk.h) should contain the structures and headers
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18:12:47Moosis there any X5 user around?
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18:24:19rasherNot again..
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18:24:41rashergotcha
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18:26:50jhMikeSMoos: Yup
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18:33:00GuyIncognhalo
18:33:26GuyIncognis there anybody ... out there
18:34:18rasherSome.. if you have a question, just ask it
18:35:09GuyIncognjust logged on first time, testing
18:35:23GuyIncognanybody on here involved in the sansa e200 port ?
18:35:51rasherAs far as I know, only Bagder, and I don't think he's around
18:36:02GuyIncognk
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18:42:55lexis a sleep mode close to come for ipods? :o
18:43:17linuxstbNo closer than about 3 days ago when you last asked...
18:43:30GuyIncognlol
18:43:35GuyIncognnot even 3 days closer ?
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18:44:49linuxstbGuyIncogn: Considering that no-one is working on it...
18:48:10rasherWhy is "voicefont.cpp" and "wavtrim.c" from VoiceBuilding not in cvs?
18:48:44rashermore importantly, why are they just attachments in the wiki with no license attached?
18:50:33rasherAlso, USB mode seems broken for me after using recording
18:50:36rasheron h120
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18:51:21jhMikeSDo all the ports have the problem that if you pause/stop playback in a song and then start a new one, the previous one continues playing for about a second? Or just x5?
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18:52:26jhMikeSOr any other ports at all for that matter
18:52:28linuxstbjhMikeS: Are you saying it happens with both pause and stop?
18:52:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: I recall trying it but I can make super double sure
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18:54:58jhMikeSoh no, not stop that's fine. sry. why at all?
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18:56:10linuxstbSo it's a problem if you pause, and then whilst paused, skip to another track?
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18:56:36jhMikeSYes.
18:56:45linuxstbSounds familiar...
18:57:01jhMikeSPeak meters and all start up
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18:57:11jhMikeSthen the next song starts
18:57:23webguest45re guys
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18:58:06jhMikeSlinuxstb: happens a lot huh?
18:58:30webguest45jhMikeS: is the remote suposed to work already on X5?
18:59:35jhMikeSwebguest45: I tried it yesterday but it doesn't accept input yet.
18:59:55jhMikeSwebguest45: maybe that changed overnight. dunno.
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19:00:17linuxstbjhMikeS: I can't recreate it now on my ipod..
19:00:40webguest45yeah didn't work here too
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19:00:58jhMikeSlinuxstb: hmmm...does it matter whether or not the track is the next or just browsing and skipping to some random one? It doesn't matter for me.
19:01:51jhMikeSwebguest45: on what?
19:02:44*rasher pings [IDC]Dragon
19:03:07dionoeahe's not on the chan
19:03:18dionoeaso pinging him is kind of useless :)
19:03:51rasherThere's always the hope that someone is reading the channel log
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19:05:15jhMikeSwebguest45: You're not using an x5 right?
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19:13:58jhMikeSHow many around here actually have x5s? Doesn't seem like alot.
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19:36:48dwihnoI'm a bit curious on which decoder is more efficient... ogg or mp3?
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19:40:39jhMikeSdwihno: mp3
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19:41:51jhMikeSdwihno: ogg keeps the CPU boost ratio at about 75-80% where mp3 only about 20%
19:42:25dwihnoaha
19:42:38dwihnoHm, on my ipod I get ~60-70% boost...
19:42:52dwihnoso ogg might be glitchy then?
19:42:52Galoisipods are different
19:43:08dwihnosame decoder
19:43:16dwihnoperhaps more optimizations on the ipod...
19:43:17jhMikeSno...just heavier to decode
19:43:26Galoisfor ipods, the mp3 decoder is worse than it is on other devices
19:43:32Galoisso it ends up being worse than ogg
19:43:36rasherLinusN: I just added my talk clip script to the tracker
19:43:38dwihnoaah
19:43:43LinusNrasher: nice
19:43:50rashervoice file generation still pending
19:43:51jhMikeSI use OGG vorbis only when I need perfect gapless for that reason.
19:43:51dwihnoGalois: so the ogg decoder is actually faster on the ipod?
19:43:52dwihnostrange
19:44:09Galoisand the ogg decoder is better than it is on other devices
19:44:32dwihnoI can't see why.
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19:45:01rasherLinusN: do you know what the deal with voicefont.cpp and wavtrim.c from VoiceBuilding is? They have no license attached but credited to Jörg. Why are they not in cvs?
19:45:11Galoisit's because the ogg decoder comes with ARM assembly optimizations, and ipod is the only ARM platform for rockbox
19:45:23dwihnoaha
19:45:34LinusNrasher: simply because nobody has cared enough to put them in cvs
19:45:50dwihnoI thought there were 68k optimizations for the ogg decoder... My mistake.
19:46:37jhMikeSLinusN: You moved the lcd framebuffer out of IRAM. Framerates took a big hit.
19:46:45LinusNyup
19:46:59rasherdwihno: afaik, there are
19:47:22dwihnorasher: ok
19:47:44rasherI think the iPod processor is just quit good, when fed proper code
19:47:47rasherquite
19:47:59dwihnojhMikeS: to encode gapless oggs, are extra parameters required for the encoder, similar to lame?
19:48:08rasherNo. Ogg is inherently gapless
19:48:09jhMikeSdwihno: no
19:48:16dwihnoah
19:49:36dwihnoany recommended options for the encoder, similar to −−alt-preset standard in lame?
19:50:11jhMikeSLinusN: how come? not enough room left for something else?
19:50:21LinusNjhMikeS: exactly
19:50:29rasherdwihno: Just pass it -qX where X is whatever produces a filesize/quality you like
19:50:32jhMikeSdwihno: I use Q=7.
19:50:37rasherdwihno: I don't think there's much magic involved
19:50:42rasherQ=3 here
19:51:11dwihnoah
19:51:19dwihnoI'll listen and check what feels right
19:51:49S0apand how are LAME mp3s not "perfectly gapless"?
19:51:57bluebrotherI use -q5. Gives about 160kbit and is similar (imo) to 192kbit mp3
19:52:02jhMikeSI did post a patch to speed things up. No lookup table anymore either.
19:52:23Galoislame violates the iso mpeg standard in order to produce so-called gapless mp3s
19:52:32LinusNjhMikeS: is that patch cvs-ready?
19:52:50LinusNGalois: in what way?
19:53:00jhMikeSyes. It comes with a test plugin so you can check it out first
19:53:20S0apGalois - even if that is true - how does that affect the gaplessness or lack-thereof of their playback?
19:53:35jhMikeShttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5740
19:53:49Galoisfor that matter, even id3 tags violate the stndrd
19:53:58Galois+a
19:54:46LinusNGalois: in what way does lame violate the standard?
19:55:42Galoisuh, it's not an mpeg frame
19:55:59LinusNthe lame header?
19:56:20Galoishttp://gabriel.mp3-tech.org/mp3infotag.html
19:57:07LinusNGalois: ok, so the violation would be that the frame doesn't contain audio data?
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19:57:38Galoisthe iso standard allows certain metadata (copyright flag, crc), but nothing on the scale of lame/id3 abuse
19:57:56LinusNabsolutely true
19:58:19LinusNthat would include the Xing VBR header as well
19:58:50LinusNso yes, basically every MP3 player in existence violate the standard
19:59:11S0apde facto / de jure
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20:00:47oboCould any devs look at a patch for me please?
20:01:10LinusNwhich one?
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20:01:26obo5166
20:02:02LinusNi had a look at it 15 minutes ago
20:02:13LinusNi think it looks good
20:02:31obonice to hear :)
20:02:36rasherI just managed to generate a voice file
20:02:40rasherbut it's 4mb :-\
20:02:46rasherI'll upload the script anyway
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20:03:43oboLinusN: does anything need changing?
20:04:03LinusNobo: i think you should move mktime() to firmware/common/timefuncs.c
20:04:38jhMikeSLinusN: Why does the previous file keep playing for a second when switching tracks while paused? BTW: Some ipod owners tried it and it doesn't happen for them. Maybe X5 only issue?
20:05:20rasherLinusN: voicefile script added (FS #5746). I'm off now.
20:05:28obookay, thanks
20:06:13LinusNjhMikeS: maybe it's because the DMA finished the current chunk before moving on
20:06:55LinusNi believe the next-file function doesn't flush the currently playing dma buffer
20:07:16LinusNprobably a coldfire issue
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20:07:57LinusNjhMikeS: better file a bug report with a detailed description on how to reproduce it
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20:10:16jhMikeSLinusN: will do. very easy to do.
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20:13:43LinusNi never really understood the point with audioscrobbler
20:14:19BagderLinusN: to learn and find out about new bands and music that you might like I guess
20:15:15S0aptheir streaming radio is nice also
20:15:21LinusNsuddenly i get it
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20:15:58S0apyou can really customize it, or listen to radio based on your habits, or based on someone else's habits, or many other variations. The service is a really great way to find new music.
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20:16:12linuxstbLinusN: Are you planning on committing the audioscrobbler patch?
20:16:27LinusNwell, i had a look at it
20:17:01S0apIt is really a quite functional music social networking tool, even if the recent redesign reminds me of MySpace.
20:18:43LinusNi wonder if we should call it "Last.fm log" instead of "Audioscrobbler log"
20:19:00S0apIMHO it wouldn't be a bad idea to hype it, and try to steer "social" conversations from the channel and esp. the forums over to the Rockbox group on Last.FM (Audioscrobbler).
20:19:57linuxstbIs the log specific to audioscrobbler/last.fm ? Or could it be used for other purposes?
20:20:09LinusNit's a text log
20:20:25LinusNformatted according to the audioscrobbler spec
20:20:37LinusNbut it could very well be used for other purposes
20:21:08S0apthe submission format is audioscrobbler specific, but there is no reason the rockbox log needs to be. The perl script could do all the parsing of a generic log.
20:21:17linuxstbI'm just thinking that maybe we should call it something generic, even if it's compliant with the audioscrobbler spec.
20:22:01oboThe spec defines the name of the log to ".scrobbler.log" - but saying that it isn't in use yet (on their side)
20:22:56Bagderhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/
20:23:25LinusNBagder: nice design
20:23:33Bagder:-)
20:23:45jhMikeSOk...bug reported
20:23:51linuxstbBagder: You should remove bootloader-color-nodefault.bin - it's a patched bootloader that someone added to the wiki which starts the apple OS by default...
20:23:53Bagderall the bootloader attachments
20:23:59Bagderok
20:24:18obowould it be worth adding the FAT32 mbrs from the ipod OSX page?
20:24:21linuxstbThere are also some Mac utilities on the IpodInstallationFromMacOSX page..
20:25:08jhMikeSHow does the x5v bootloader differ? I don't see a way of builing that one in particular from CVS.
20:25:10LinusNobo: is there a perl script as well?
20:25:39oboyes - not written by me, but it works very well
20:25:41Bagderbut the zip files aren't really needed, are they?
20:25:50LinusNobo: where?
20:25:58Bagder(I copied all the mac files)
20:26:16linuxstbBagder: Which zip files?
20:26:20oboLinusN: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=42767 should have the most recent version
20:26:34Bagderipodpatcher-0.2.zip for example
20:27:23linuxstbThat contains the source for ipodpatcher (but -0.3 is newer) - the source isn't anywhere else. Similarly diskdump-0.1.zip on the Mac page.
20:27:45Bagderok
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20:27:59Bagderthen I'll leave them there
20:29:00linuxstbGuess someone now needs to update the wiki and manual then....
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20:29:32pijuliushi guys
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20:30:15pijuliuscould someone please help me with font loading in rockbox? I would like to load 3-4 fonts to the cache and use them in my wps
20:31:07pijuliusI already wrote some patches that make positioning the text using x/y coordinates, and I did a custom font face too, but I used font_load, but that uses the hdd every time it loads a font
20:31:53Bagderpijulius: there's no support for multiple fonts yet
20:31:57Bagderso you'd need to add that
20:32:02Bagderbbl
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20:33:36pijuliusBagder, I would, but could you please give me a few instructions for doing that? for e.g. which function should I use to load a font into the chache so I can later on use them with setfont
20:34:06linuxstbpijulius: Have you looked at the patch on flyspray which started to add multiple font support to Rockbox?
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20:34:27pijuliuslinuxstb, hmm, didn't know that, do you have the link?
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20:35:01LinusNjhMikeS: the x5v bootloader is identical to the x5, except for the id string in the header
20:35:07linuxstbNo, but I'm sure you can find it by searching flyspray.
20:35:29pijuliussure, thanks a lot guys, will get back with the foundings
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20:36:08linuxstbSeems I don't have permission to delete attachments from the wiki...
20:36:12jhMikeSLinusN: Thanks. Dumb question...how do you choose which to build? No menu option AFAIK.
20:36:39jhMikeSHex edit?
20:37:05LinusNan argument to tools/scramble
20:37:25LinusN-iaudiox5 or -iaudiox5v
20:37:25jhMikeSahh
20:37:42jhMikeSthanks.
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20:58:46Slasherihmm, i probably fixed the playback engine crashing.. but need to test more to be sure
20:59:22Slasheriat least buffers seems to keep in sync now
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21:02:55*ToyKeeper == grateful rockbox-on-X5 newb
21:03:14LinusNcongrats
21:04:02ToyKeeperI'm kinda wondering... sometimes when I go to the next song, the current playlist position stays the same while the playlist size decreases by one... is that normal?
21:04:24ToyKeeperSo, 1/2922 becomes 1/2921, instead of 2/2922.
21:05:25ToyKeeperI haven't yet figured out what conditions cause it.
21:05:45MikachuToyKeeper: queue?
21:06:29LinusNToyKeeper: that happens if the file could not be opened
21:06:51LinusNthen it is removed from the playlist
21:07:20LinusNiirc
21:07:22ToyKeeperIt opens and plays the file... just removes the first playlist entry. It could be a queue thing, I suppose.
21:07:36LinusNyes, it can also happen if you queued a file
21:07:52ToyKeeperIt sounds like PEBKAC, then. :)
21:07:55LinusNthen the queued file is removed from the playlist after being played
21:08:31LinusNhmmm, maybe we removed the "feature" that removed bad songs from the playlist, i dont remember
21:08:47ToyKeeperIn other news, I've got my first theme under way... any thoughts?
21:08:48ToyKeeperhttp://toykeeper.net/tmp/TKX5b-5.png
21:09:06Mikachulsd is my first
21:09:13LinusNToyKeeper: looks nice
21:09:21Mikachuand i mean that in a good way of course
21:10:19ToyKeeperOh, that reminds me. The 0/10 thing is the song rating... I haven't yet found any way to change or use the rating, other than displaying it.
21:10:31ToyKeeperAre ratings actually implemented yet?
21:11:28ToyKeeperI implemented ratings and a semi-intelligent auto-DJ in another player a while back... was kinda hoping to find or make something similar for rockbox.
21:13:05sharpe`aren't ratings just in a tag?
21:14:22ToyKeeperSometimes, but I've never liked that approach. Regardless, does rockbox use the rating for anything?
21:15:11sharpe`i don't believe we actually read the rating tag... i'm not too familiar with certain parts of the code, that being one part i'm not.
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21:16:18ToyKeeperThe most effective way I've found to use it is to compare a random number to the rating while picking the next song, and skip it if the rating is lower than the random number.
21:16:30ToyKeeperBasically, it causes better songs to get played more often.
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21:18:04ToyKeeperA strict linear approach is so-so, but weighting it seems to work well. (assuming the rating is 0.0 - 1.0, cubing the rating works pretty well)
21:18:47ToyKeeperThis assumes that skipped songs get re-queued, though, since it may skip dozens of songs in a row before it finds one it likes.
21:19:23ToyKeeperAnyway, if I implemented something like that, is there any chance it could be accepted upstream, or should I just stick to local patches?
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21:19:44LinusNToyKeeper: it depends on many things
21:20:11Slashericurrently playlist code marks bad files as bad and skips them
21:20:22Slasherifiles are no longer being removed automatically from the playlist
21:20:29LinusNmainly the quality of the patch and the overall usefulness
21:20:42LinusNSlasheri: ah yes now i remember
21:20:48Slasheri:)
21:21:28ToyKeeperThey wouldn't exactly be "bad" files, as in unplayable... just not rated high enough to be played this time through the playlist.
21:22:26Slasherihmm, it should be possible to add other status flags as well.. but probably that "bad" flag would work too
21:22:27LinusNSlasheri: is there room for another flag in the playlist?
21:22:32Slasheriyes
21:22:40LinusNsounds like a candidate then
21:23:16ToyKeeperI don't think a flag covers it. The song rating would need to be re-evaluated every time it's a candidate for being played.
21:23:33Slashericurrent playlist limit (probably the item count) is 256M and adding one new status flag would drop it to 128M
21:23:43Mikachusuch a thing sounds like it would only be useful in shuffle mode
21:23:45Slasherii think that would be still enough and more player could handle ;)
21:24:10polluxx2006hello! can anbody help me? id like to put my wps to the gallery and have some problems with it.
21:24:21ToyKeeperYes, it'd only be useful in shuffle mode, unless you had a sequence of songs all rated at 100%.
21:25:04ToyKeeperAnyway, I think this tells me plenty for now. I'll most likely bring it up again later once I've learned more about the current code.
21:25:05ToyKeeper:)
21:25:25rconanif you recorded the percentage of times that a song is skipped before the end as a rating and then used ToyKeeper's method with the random number that could be really effective
21:25:53sharpe`ah, but what if they just wanted to skip it, rather that not like it?
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21:26:44rconansurely that would happen equally with all songs
21:27:08Mikachuheh, a cat just exited my room
21:27:19Mikachui was not aware my room had contained a cat
21:27:29bluey-anyone got a macbook?
21:27:41sharpe`Mikachu: well, the question is, do you own a cat?
21:27:47Mikachui do not
21:27:55Mikachubut the door is open
21:28:09bluebrotherpolluxx2006, just ask. Without knowing your problem noone will answer it ;-)
21:28:36sharpe`aye, it'd just end up logged and nothing more...
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21:32:12linuxstb_bluey: What's the problem?
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21:34:21polluxx2006well bluebrother: i registered to the wiki and opened the gallery and clicked "attach" and got "access denied"
21:34:50polluxx2006(following the wps-submit-instructions before)
21:34:58Mikachudid you login too?
21:35:13polluxx2006sure
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21:35:51bluebrotherhmm, I get a "attach file" page.
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21:36:07polluxx2006well... where do i have to login then?
21:36:20polluxx2006oh sorry...
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21:36:32polluxx2006yes, i got the login-popup. sure
21:37:44bluebrothercan you edit the page?
21:38:49polluxx2006no. i cant even login with my login-date#
21:38:51polluxx2006data
21:39:17bluebrotherhmm. has the login process changed with the latest twiki update?
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21:40:17bluebrothermaybe it has send out a confirmation email?
21:40:18polluxx2006i dont know
21:40:35obopolluxx2006: what is your login name?
21:40:49polluxx2006RiverRunsRed
21:40:58sharpe`oooh.
21:41:03sharpe`:(
21:41:07polluxx2006and it also says that the activation code is invalid :(
21:41:14bluebrotherI guess this isn't your real name ...
21:41:21polluxx2006no, its my wiki.-name
21:41:31sharpe`you really should use your real name...
21:41:39bluebrotheryou read this on the registering page: Your WikiName is your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JonhS, SteveA or NinjaBoy. We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule.
21:41:41scorchenot should
21:41:43scorcheneed
21:42:04sharpe`scorche: but really should is just like saying need. :)
21:42:15scorchenot always ;)
21:42:52bluebrotherah, ok. Just found the note directly above that.
21:43:02polluxx2006also, wheni click on the link to my twiki topic, it says: This Wiki topic does not exist yet
21:43:12sharpe`well, you can choose to not do anything you need to do, just like you can choose to not do anything you really should do.
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21:43:38bluebrotherread the red note here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration
21:44:21polluxx2006i did that already
21:44:38polluxx2006okay
21:44:39polluxx2006:)
21:44:47polluxx2006well, here i am, asking
21:45:26bluebrotherRiverRunsRed got deleted from TWikiUsers. I guess because it doesn't comply to the naming rules.
21:46:00polluxx2006it did, i didnt get any error massage. okay, then ill register again... just a minute
21:47:06polluxx2006ok, now it worked
21:47:27sharpe`Linus was quick on that one...
21:47:36polluxx2006id like to ask for permission now
21:48:24polluxx2006its because i want to put my wps into the gallery
21:49:01bluebrothereither linus is really quick atm or it's something automatic −− all "bad" names I found in the history have been removed the same day.
21:49:26sharpe`i'm thinking he's just quick like that.
21:49:28bluebrotherThen you'll need a wiki admin. I'm not, so I can't help you.
21:49:36sharpe`anyone with write access can add him.
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21:49:48bluebrotheranyone can?
21:50:16*bluebrother has no idea what's changed all on the last update
21:50:19sharpe`anyone who was registered before that restriction was added, can...
21:50:44scorchebluebrother: you just need to add the name to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup
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21:51:52scorchepolluxx2006: since i am already in the page, what is your name?
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21:52:52sharpe`scorche: my guess is, OliverEsseling
21:53:26scorchesharpe`: yeah, but i like to make sure ;)(
21:54:31polluxx2006OliverEsseling
21:54:42sharpe`he shoots, he scores...
21:55:24scorchedone
21:55:36polluxx2006so, i can now add my wps to the gallery?
21:55:39sharpe`yse.
21:55:56sharpe`hmm... something went wrong...
21:58:00bluebrothernice idea to hold the wiki clean.
21:58:04polluxx2006ok.. but where do i have to write down my name, descrition, link to a screendump ect. as described on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
21:58:13ToyKeeperrconan: The learning-by-skipping approach may work for some people, but it gives me very bad results.
21:58:40sharpe`ToyKeeper: indeed, for me also.
21:59:08rconanok
21:59:11Mikachumaybe a usb mood ring
21:59:33bluebrothers/hold/keep/
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21:59:37sharpe`Mikachu: then it'd be biased by the player's heat... :)
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22:00:30bluebrotherpolluxx2006, go to the appropriate wps page. Use the "edit" link at the bottom of the page.
22:01:46bluebrotheror the attach link. I'm not really aware of the process but you've got the description
22:03:11polluxx2006ok, ill give it a try
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22:07:14LearHmm, for irivers, the middle button of the joystick is called "select" in the manual, and "navi" in the language files...
22:09:36bluebrotherLear, not lasting for long ...
22:10:02LearYou work with the manual?
22:10:09bluebrother(ok, the image will be wrong until someone fixes that)
22:10:15bluebrotheryes.
22:11:08LearWell, for Swedish, navi doesn't quite work, imho...
22:12:29bluebrotherfor swedish?
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22:14:33LearYes, "Navi" in swedish doesn't look good (translated or not)...
22:14:59bluebrotherI don't understand the problem
22:15:42bluebrotheris it just a weird looking word? At least iriver used this term which was the reason we agreed on using the same term.
22:16:06LearI just think it isn't a good "name" for the button... But I wasn't aware of the reason for it.
22:16:43bluebrotherI also think "select" is more "natural", but as iriver used this term (and the remote is labeled with navi) I think it's better to use the same.
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22:21:52FebsI was just reading the commit log and thinking select is a better designation than navi. Is there a reason that the H300 and H100 must be the same?
22:22:55Febs(other than consistency, which would be good, but I think that we're stuck with Navi for the H300 as the button itself has that label)
22:23:28LearAs far as the lang files goes, it can be different.
22:24:15LearBut the patch missed one thing: LANG_BOOKMARK_SELECT_DELETE. On+play is kind of difficult on iriver... :)
22:25:23bluebrotherFebs, mainly because iriver also uses navi for that button.
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22:31:45polluxx2006ok, now that i succesfully added my wps to the gallery... whom do i have to ask if i want my wps to be included in rockbox?
22:32:07polluxx2006i already posted it on flyspray but got no reaction yet
22:32:17Bagderdon't count on that to happen
22:32:29Bagderwe want only a limited set in the default package
22:37:01polluxx2006hmmm... but wouldnt you take a look at m wps first before judging?
22:37:37BagderI guess
22:38:08polluxx2006badger, i think its looks nice and u is seful, too
22:38:22polluxx2006is useful, too
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