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#rockbox log for 2006-08-12

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00:09:19preglowsomeone tell the bugtracker to stop reminding me!
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00:14:54XavierGrpreglow: I believe bagder sents those emails every satruday
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00:28:22pixelmaSlasheri: I found out what caused my problems with tagcache and "insert" of a whole folder... I could give you a recipe to repeat it if you want
00:29:20pixelmathough I don't know if it's the same on other targets
00:36:27BHSPitMonkeypreglow, I think if you just fix all the bugs, there might not be reminders any more ;)
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01:46:30Bunkeyicatcher theme look funny on my ipod color, how can i fix that?
01:51:20preglowhow funny?
01:51:25preglowdo you use the one for ipod color?
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01:53:38Bunkeyya i use the right 1, i can dcc u a photo
01:53:49preglowgo ahead
01:54:14preglowyou didn't send correctly
01:54:18preglowsays my client
01:54:41Bunkeyhmmm must be my router
01:54:56preglowif you've got a router and haven't configed it: then yes, that's it
01:55:13Bunkeyno idea how to config it haha
01:55:54Bunkeyanyway it look out of place.... and a pink block on bottom right
01:57:38preglowhaha
01:57:45preglowthen it doesn't sound like you're using the right one
01:57:50preglowor perhaps are missing some files
01:59:00Bunkeyhmm, do i need any plugin for that? i just installed rockbox yesterday, didnt install any extra plugin
01:59:17preglowno plugins
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02:02:00Bunkeyi'll try update rockbox, just download cvs and replace right?
02:02:20preglowsure
02:02:27preglowbut i doubt that's what's wrong
02:02:27preglowanyway
02:02:29preglowi've gotta go
02:02:30preglowgood luck!
02:02:48Bunkeyk cya
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02:13:38sharpearr. strange happenings with my compilation.
02:15:48safetydanhrm... I could have sworn gcc had an option to emit assembler with the C code as a comment next to each line
02:16:05safetydan-fverbose-asm isn't quite it
02:17:55sharpewow. i fixed my problem.
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05:12:38jnhey the car adapter option doesnt seem to work for me.. that is for chargers correct?
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05:22:17Bunkeyis there a way to make the text size bigger?
05:34:49dongschang efonts.
05:35:42sharpesounds reasonable.
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05:40:37jhMikeSWhere is the info on programming for m68k-elf-as? I've been looking about but can't come up with much and typing "man m68k-elf-gcc" just brings up a list of options and switches.
05:42:10jhMikeSI meant "man m68k-elf-as"
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05:50:06Bunkeyfinally fixed icatch theme
05:51:56safetydanjhMikeS, what sort of information are you after?
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05:54:16jhMikeSsafetydan: All the stuff on assembly programming, mostly how to write assebly for that assembler. The CPU prog ref has all the instructions already.
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05:57:36safetydanjhMikeS, What more do you need than the CPU data sheet? I can't quite see what you're missing.
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06:01:33jhMikeSI want to know how to declare data. More specifically jump tables in this case.
06:05:13safetydanjhMikeS, you probably want the gas manual, something like http://www.gnu.org/software/binutils/manual/gas-2.9.1/html_chapter/as_3.html#SEC25
06:08:26jhMikeSsafetydan: looks like that's probably the stuff. thanks.
06:09:01safetydanjhMikeS, the other thing to do is just look at the output from running the assember
06:09:09safetydani.e. passing -S to gcc
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06:10:33imphasing_I heard something about compressed video on Rockbox.. is this true?
06:10:35imphasing_:]
06:11:34jhMikeSsafetydan: I tried like hell with -S and couldn't get much to happen.
06:12:14jhMikeSimphasing_: It's in the process but very slow atm.
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06:13:40imphasing_Are you using some custom codec, or is it using a pre made one?
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06:15:40jhMikeSimphasing_: For MPEG-2 it's just libmpeg2 I believe for now.
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06:16:24imphasing_Ah.. that would probably explain why it's slow
06:16:54imphasing_Right now, there's a simple compressed video player for ipodlinux that uses a really simple jpeg like compression scheme, and it can get about 12fps on an ipod nano
06:17:03jhMikeSFeel free to suggest something if you know what might be a better start point.
06:17:04Mikachuwe have about 24fps on nano
06:17:11imphasing_:o
06:17:12imphasing_nice!
06:17:24jhMikeSI can get 16 in the x5 without a perfect lcd_yuv_blit
06:17:34imphasing_interesting..
06:17:39imphasing_what's the compression rate like?
06:17:41Mikachubut no sound
06:17:48Mikachuit's normal mpeg2 video streams
06:17:48imphasing_s/rate/ratio
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06:17:55jhMikeSTrue, no sound...:(
06:17:59imphasing_Ah..
06:18:02Mikachuno sound, yet
06:18:11imphasing_it would probably be fast to just use uncompressed sound..
06:18:16imphasing_but then it would be bigger
06:18:19Mikachuwe still have one unused cpu
06:18:29jhMikeSI think that decoder needs have unneeded crud removed first. It's too general purpose.
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06:18:39imphasing_hm..
06:18:57Mikachuit has x86 specific code in some places, you can probably remove that
06:19:08Mikachuif someone makes a portable mp3 player on x86...
06:19:12imphasing_Using the second processor seems to be fairly tricky.. I think there's only 2 programs that use both in ipodlinux right now
06:19:41imphasing_I think it has to do with the lack of a scheduling system in the kernel
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06:19:58safetydanjhMikeS, try something like this: m68k-elf-gcc -I/home/dan/src/rockbox/firmware/include -I/home/dan/src/rockbox/firmware/export -I. -I/home/dan/src/rockbox/build-h120 -I/home/dan/src/rockbox/build-h120/bitmaps -I/home/dan/src/rockbox/build-h120/apps -Irecorder -Igui -W -Wall -O -nostdlib -ffreestanding -Wstrict-prototypes -g -m5200 -Wa,-m5249 -malign-int -mstrict-align -fomit-frame-pointer -DIRIVER_H120 -DTARGET_ID=9 -DAPPSVERSION=\"060812
06:19:59safetydan-1003\" -DMEM=32 -c eq.c -S -fverbose-asm -o /home/dan/src/rockbox/build-h120/apps/eq.S
06:20:11safetydanchange paths as appropriate of course
06:20:19safetydanand the source file that you want to assemble
06:21:10jhMikeSsafetydan: I tried something like that and it was just throwing up hundreds of errors so something wasn't exactly right :).
06:22:36jhMikeSIt had the inlude paths but it was saying all kinds of stuff wasn't defined and such. It drove me nuts. I'd like to have it output with source and hex. I think there should be a make option for that IMO.
06:23:46jhMikeS-fverbose-asm?
06:24:05jhMikeSBTW: Does that actually work for you?
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06:27:28safetydanjhMikeS, works just find
06:27:30safetydanfine even
06:27:48safetydanI've been using to look at the eq code
06:27:59safetydanmake sure you run it while your current directory is rockbox/apps
06:28:43jhMikeSWell...you know...I don't believe my cd was rockbox/apps! :)
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06:33:21Harryyo what is teh up
06:34:07jhMikeSsafetydan: Would that be true if you're compiling something in target/ ?
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06:55:33safetydanjhMikeS, make V=1 should tell you what you need for target.
06:57:32jhMikeSJust did that and it works now at least for eq.c but that has a lot of info anyway.
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07:05:03Dev-HaceHey does rockbox really play mpeg now?
07:05:33Dev-Hace?>
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07:10:01safetydanDev-Hace, it can play mpeg1 and mpeg2 video files (no sound though) yes.
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07:10:05safetydanEarly days though.
07:10:07safetydanbah
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08:29:54amiconnjhMikeS: Dunno whether you still need it, but in order to see how to declare stuff for the asm, I often simply look into one of the already existing .S files
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08:31:55amiconnAnother hint regarding jumptables: Jumptables involving a data read are slow, unless the table is in IRAM. Using a computed branch into a streak of bra.s is faster. Reason: our coldfire has an instruction cache but no data cache.
08:33:25amiconnAnd finally, regarding the usage of IRAM buffers in lcd_yuv_blit(), you can simply make these buffers auto-vars. lcd_yuv_blit() is only called by the main thread (== gui thread), and the main stack is in IRAM.
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09:10:23Bgermorning
09:12:44Bgerguys, don't allow your players to shut down because of low battery while in USB mode ... it seems that my disk has developed bad sectors because of this :((((
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10:36:46JdGordonhey all
10:38:09markunmorning JdGordon
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10:53:38Slasheriamiconn: hmm, interesting. It seems that it's necessary to "insert next" the tracks in reverse order to the playlist, because otherwise "insert" after "insert next" inserts track to end of the current playlist
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10:57:53markunSlasheri: would it be difficult to display things from tagcache in the playlist viewer?
10:58:03markunlike track length for example
10:58:12Slasherimarkun: hmm, shouldn't be hard
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10:58:32Slasheriespecially if tagcache is loaded in ram, querying those things should be fast
10:59:01SlasheriHmm, in fact tagcache browser could show the length also..
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11:00:03pixelmaSlasheri: I found out what caused my first problem with tagcache...
11:00:20pixelma...I put a description here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5801
11:00:49Slasheripixelma: ah, thanks. i will have a look
11:00:58pixelmathanks
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11:16:18Slasheripixelma: hmm, interesting.. that is definately a playlist failure, i can reproduce it too
11:16:30Slasherimaybe hardeep should take a look
11:16:42pixelmaIIUC I don't have that in filebrowser mode
11:16:52pixelmaremember even
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11:21:04Slasheriah, hmm
11:21:30pixelmaSlasheri: just tested it agian - no problems in filebrowser mode
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11:30:48linuxstbSlasheri: Noticed the build table? An unused variable in tagcache code...
11:33:06Slasherilinuxstb: ah.. fixing
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11:57:04JdGordonyippe :D its working!
11:57:28safetydanWhat's that then?
11:57:45JdGordonthe setting patch, regular int values are using it now also
11:57:53JdGordonand should be working on al targets well noe
11:57:57JdGordonnow even
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11:59:02linuxstbHow does the int value settings screen work? Does it just display a long list of all the integer values?
11:59:11JdGordonye
11:59:21JdGordonthe volume list looks odd.. but works fine
11:59:40linuxstbI don't think that will work well on targets with slow LCD drivers, such as the ipods.
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12:00:02JdGordonwhy not? its no worse than the tree browser...
12:00:12linuxstbExactly - the tree browser is slow when dealing with long lists.
12:00:50JdGordonits using the text callback to get the item name, so its not a large list really...
12:00:58linuxstbWouldn't a slider be a better way to represent integer settings, if we're looking to improve the UI?
12:01:44JdGordonyes and no...
12:02:22JdGordonanyway, with his i think there is a fair bit of code which is uneeded anymore
12:03:03JdGordon.. and it the quickscreen didnt use the option_select stuff that whole file could be removed
12:04:03linuxstbI like the idea of using the list widget for options with a list of values, but am not convinced about using it for integers.
12:04:30safetydanyeah integers I'm not sure about
12:04:34safetydanslider definitely is an option
12:04:37JdGordonneither was i at first, but then i got a bit confused when there was only 1 item under the title...
12:04:58linuxstbIn which case, use a slider?
12:05:14JdGordonyou need to show the actual value also, but i guess that could work
12:05:16linuxstbThat way, a user can see both the min/max values immediately.
12:06:38linuxstbApart from volume, what else is an integer setting?
12:06:59safetydanstereo width
12:07:07safetydanmost of the equalizer settings
12:07:21safetydancrossfeed
12:07:31JdGordondo a search for set_int in te apps folder.. there are about 30
12:07:46linuxstbOK... So quite a few then.
12:07:48JdGordonapps/gui/select.c is redundant
12:10:22JdGordonmaking a seperate gui for the int settings wouldnt be difficult tho...
12:15:28JdGordonpatch is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5795 if your interested...
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12:17:12safetydanJdGordon, if you have the cvsutils package installed you should be able to do cvsdo remove filename
12:18:05JdGordonok
12:20:45JdGordonwoopsies :p aparently select.h is actually still neded :p
12:27:05JdGordonno, 1 typedef from it was..
12:27:25safetydanright, time for the win32 and x11 sims to go away
12:27:34jhMikeSI'm wondering: Is it really nescessary to align burst reads with movem on coldfire to burst-sized boundaries?
12:27:36JdGordonkill them goodly!!
12:28:36JdGordonsafetydan: do u need to add anything to cvs diff show the removed files are in the pacth?
12:28:58safetydanumm... it should pick them up if you've done cvsdo remove
12:29:23JdGordondid that, doesnt say anything about them..
12:29:37safetydanodd
12:29:56safetydanTry adding -N
12:31:09JdGordon:) that got em
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12:34:17pixelmais there a common abbreviation of "average" shorter than "avg"?
12:34:42JdGordon3 letters isnt short enough for you?
12:34:57safetydanpixelma, not really
12:35:38pixelmaJdGordon: not for the rockbox_default wps and the rockbox_default font on Archos screens...
12:36:08JdGordonoh
12:36:25pixelmaif there is ID3 information too
12:37:12pixelma(I mean info about the id3 version)
12:37:46JdGordoncan you do a small icon instead of the letters?
12:38:01JdGordonI cant think how you could say average any shorter
12:38:05linuxstbpixelma: "av" would probably work.
12:38:09pixelmathe default wps shouldn't be graphixc I think
12:38:38linuxstbBut I don't think I would be happy with it...
12:38:48pixelmahmm
12:40:02midkaywhat about just using ~? like ~137kbit.
12:40:19linuxstbThat would work.
12:40:26pixelmaI tried that - it looks odd with the default font
12:40:41pixelmaso I think the only solution is that the line should scroll then
12:40:54linuxstbOr improve the ~ character in the default font - if possible.
12:41:14pixelma:)
12:41:57midkaywell, hm.. how odd exactly? ;)
12:42:13linuxstbDo you need the cbr/vbr indicator at all? Almost all VBR files will be a non-standard bitrate - i.e. not 128/160/192 etc.
12:42:41midkaymight be nice to have..
12:42:52midkaywhat about some other symbol? just like... *137kbit..
12:43:09linuxstbYes, but I'm sure there are other things missing. And a user can always customise if that info is important to them.
12:43:16midkaysomething that people will discover or read about to mean VBR.
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12:43:37midkayrockbox_default can't be modified unless one opens up gwps.c or whatever and extracts the code..
12:43:43midkaywhich should be changed, IMO.
12:43:52pixelmaI didn't invent the default screen... I just found out that the on my vbr-files the id3 version is cut off while using the default "theme"
12:44:54midkayand the solution becomes crystal: remove the id3 version bit. :)
12:45:35pixelmaI already removed the brackets - still there are some pixels cut off
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12:47:20midkay*shrugs* then...
12:54:11JdGordonright, im bored again... stupid friedns being anti-sociall... what else needs some fixing in the ocdE?
12:57:02safetydanpull replaygain and id3 tag stuff out of firmware and in to apps
12:57:44JdGordonsounds like a silly place for them... why are they there anyway?
12:58:31safetydanhistorical reasons
12:58:39safetydanit's not as easy as it looks
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13:01:45Triple-zhello
13:02:19JdGordonallo
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13:02:42Triple-zhow stable is rocbox for ipod video? (sorry for the noob quastions ;])
13:05:51linuxstbIt's very stable as in it never crashes (at least for me). But the port isn't finished - see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus
13:06:58JdGordonsafetydan: did i miss something obvious? i just moved id3.c into apps and changed both SOURCES files and did make celan && make and it worked fine?
13:07:11linuxstbDid you compile for hwcodec?
13:07:17Triple-zbattery life is good?
13:07:18JdGordonah, no
13:07:26JdGordonis player hwcodec?
13:07:28safetydanTriple-z, the batter life isn't great yet...
13:07:30safetydanJdGordon, yes
13:07:44linuxstbTriple-z: Around 7-10 hours I believe - so no, not as good as the original firmware.
13:07:51Triple-zok
13:08:09Triple-zis it UMS after you deploy rockbox or what?
13:08:33JdGordonHWCODEC compiled fine
13:08:45linuxstbThe ipod always has been UMS. It's just that Apple's firmware needs the itunes database updating as well in order to find the files.
13:08:57linuxstbRockbox can access the files without a database.
13:09:08linuxstb(or it can create its own database on the fly)
13:09:08Triple-zgreat
13:09:10safetydanJdGordon, sim or target?
13:09:19JdGordonsafetydan: target...
13:09:23Triple-zso no need for shitty itunes
13:09:25JdGordon99% sure target
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13:09:47JdGordonyup, tagert
13:10:52safetydanclean build?
13:11:06safetydanif it works, move on to replaygain.c then :)
13:11:31JdGordonsafetydan: yup clean build... ok
13:11:31safetydandon't forget the .h files need to move as well
13:11:51JdGordonBAH BUM.... ok, mooving the .h breaks it
13:12:22JdGordonsimple solution is leaving the .h in apps/export?
13:13:42safetydanfirmware code can't/shouldn't call apps code, so if the .c file moves so should the .h
13:15:35linuxstbJdGordon: I tried to move id3.[ch] and related files to apps/ a while ago - I posted a comment to the dev mailing list about the problem I ran into. It's basically hard to move until the hwcodec playback engine is either moved to apps/ or merged with the swcodec playback engine.
13:16:02JdGordoncant or shouldnt? it didnt give any link errors which i thought was odd... but if it has no problems linking we can just do #inlcue "../apps/id3.h" cant we
13:16:03JdGordon?
13:16:20JdGordonlinuxstb: isnt there talk about redoing the playback engine again to moerge the 2 properly?
13:17:31linuxstbYes, Slasheri has mentioned a desire to rewrite the playback engine.
13:18:12JdGordonis doing #include "../apps/id3.h" an acceptable stop-gap untill then?
13:18:53linuxstbI would say no. What do we gain by half-moving it?
13:19:03linuxstb(and breaking the golden rule)
13:19:19JdGordonwe move both files, just 2 paths are broken...
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13:21:15JdGordonjust depends how badly you want id3 and replaygain moved into apps
13:22:04safetydannot badly enough to break the rules
13:23:23safetydanAh well, there's always the 111 bugs that need fixing
13:24:37JdGordonthe replaygaim functions are not used by any code in firmaware/ anyway, s there shoudlnt be a problem moving them
13:27:27JdGordonis it there because it relies on the id3 stuff?
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13:28:07linuxstbI thought the hwcodec devices had replaygain support?
13:28:22JdGordonnope, its only swcodec
13:28:41JdGordonunless its in another file... replaygain.c isnt compiled for hwcodec
13:29:11linuxstbAre you sure the id3 tag parsing doesn't rely on the replaygain functions?
13:30:02JdGordonoh, woops.. i did the search after i moved id3.* out of firmware
13:30:03linuxstbid3.c calls the replaygain.c functions - so if id3.c is in firmware/, replaygain.c must be as well.
13:37:00safetydanthough maybe they should be #ifdef'd out for hwcodec
13:38:04safetydanno point parsing tags that aren't used
13:41:06JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5773 is funny...
13:43:31safetydanlinuxstb, which chipsets have hardware equalizer support?
13:43:36*safetydan needs a #define to use
13:44:25safetydanah, HAVE_WM8758 will do fine
13:44:44JdGordonhow about HAV_HW_EQ??
13:45:52safetydanwell at the moment I only know of one chipset with a hardware equalizer
13:46:12JdGordonwasnt the idea to get away from hardware specific defines tho?
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13:47:32linuxstbsafetydan: Yes, it's just the WM8758 at the moment.
13:49:20JdGordonlinuxstb: the replaygain stuff in id3.c is only for swcodec also... so its only one include breaking the rule..
13:50:36linuxstbJdGordon: I'm still against the idea. We may as well just wait and do it properly.
13:54:25JdGordonfuck.. i just removed the wrong rockbox folder :'(
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13:55:42JdGordondamn bloody linux and no recycle bin :'(
13:55:53lamedhello everyone :)
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13:56:15zeJdGordon: don't blame the OS for your mistakes :p
13:56:21JdGordonhaha :'(
13:56:31daurnimatorhi all
13:57:22zebesides, there are some recycle-binish solutions if you're really a klutz
13:57:49lamedanyone against FS #5182?
13:59:05daurnimatori HATE FD#5182
13:59:12daurnimatorFS is ok
13:59:13daurnimator;)
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14:00:17lamedhuh? I wrote FS
14:00:18linuxstblamed: Is that page up/page down or something else?
14:00:57lamedlinuxstb: that's changes horizontal screen scrolling to hold left/right instead of a key combo such as ON+left/right
14:01:04daurnimatori'm just ranting
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14:07:43linuxstblamed: Doesn't that conflict with moving up and down the directory levels by holding left/right?
14:07:53webguest36I installed rockbox for my GF on her nano and she doesn't like it, how do I uninstall it without having to DL the ipod restore utility ( I'm on windows XP) thanks!!
14:08:30linuxstbwebguest36: The installation instructions (IpodInstallation) have uninstallation instructions at the very start.
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14:09:00webguest36linuxstb: thanks
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14:10:36webguest36ipodpatcher -w 5 bootpartition.bin
14:10:39webguest36;-)
14:11:13linuxstbYes - assuming your ipod is still drive 5.
14:11:17webguest36yea it is
14:11:34webguest36rockbox is cool but, on the nano it cuts battery life like in half
14:11:39linuxstbYou can then also delete the rockbox.ipod file and .rockbox folder.
14:12:30webguest36oh yea, I had forgot about those thanks
14:16:05webguest36has anyone else noticed how bad the battery life on the nano is ?
14:16:29S0apeverybody knows the battery life is less than stock on all the ipods.
14:16:55webguest36I could live with less than stock, But I mean it is like un believably bad
14:17:10webguest36It's alot better on my ipod video
14:17:39S0appercentage wise, it should be the same between the models.
14:17:44S0ap(roughly)
14:17:56webguest36oh yea?
14:18:06webguest36maybe it's because on the nano it is using tag cache?
14:18:26linuxstbPeople are getting around 8 hours playback on a Nano I think.
14:18:36webguest36im not getting near that
14:18:47linuxstbWhat kind of files are you playing?
14:18:52webguest36mp3
14:18:55excitatoryi definitely get that..
14:19:01excitatoryogg -q 6
14:19:34linuxstbHigh bitrate mp3?
14:19:53S0aphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime
14:20:31webguest36nah
14:20:35webguest36like 128?
14:20:49linuxstbSo what runtimes are you getting?
14:20:56S0aphow much eyecandy did you turn on?
14:21:15S0apAlso, were you using peakmeters, EQ, replaygain, etc?
14:21:31webguest36that was my next Q i have been using alot of colored themes
14:21:31excitatoryi definitely do not even get 4 hours with tag cache on though..
14:21:41webguest36no peakmeters, eq or replay gain
14:21:47webguest36ahh so tagcache is the culprate?
14:22:08linuxstbAll tagcache should do is take up a few hundred KB of the audio buffer. I wouldn't expect that to half the runtime.
14:22:11webguest36thing is since i converted from apple all my music is random file names and I need a database to see what the hell msuic I have
14:22:35thoutersany devs here who know where to change a few things to lock the gui into the while playing screen forever (for use on an ipod nano with broken lcd)
14:23:18excitatoryi hate tagcache..no offense.. it takes forever to update, sucks battery.. and not only that..but as far as i can tell, it doesn't even have dynamic playlist options.. (with the standard file view, i can be playing an album, then quick queue some other one up on the fly before the currently playing one stops)
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14:23:51linuxstbexcitatory: How do you know it sucks battery?
14:25:04excitatoryum.. well, not only does the wiki mention it, but it's obvious.. on first boot after it commits the db, there's always a significant chunk of battery life missing on the battery indicator..
14:25:07webguest36Too be honest on my nano I don't really need any of the rockbox features and the thing I love about my nano is the great battery life so It looks like no rockbox on the nano for me
14:25:23excitatoryfile mode, it reports near 100 percent for the first two hours
14:25:44preglowwebguest36: if you don't need rockbox features, then why are you even contemplating it?
14:25:58excitatoryheh, funny.. i couldn't live w/out it.. all my music is flac or ogg
14:26:00webguest36I have used it in the past I enjoy the games some times but it's not a necessity
14:26:20webguest36preglow: and i was using it until about 10 minutes ago ;-)
14:26:51preglowlinuxstb: btw, is the second core "enabled" these days?
14:27:25excitatorynot to mention i can't stand the gaps in between tracks using the apple firmware.. and let's not get into the nasty itunesdb you have to deal with.. but that's just me.. and so i guess i'm partial ;D
14:28:10webguest36I love Itunes
14:28:15preglowgod, it's crap
14:28:19webguest36only program I like better than it for music is amarok
14:28:25webguest36but i don't use linux anymore
14:28:27preglowi hate it even more than pink headbands
14:28:57S0apmy computer is too slow for itunes.
14:28:59webguest36every girl crazy about a sharp dressed man
14:29:18webguest36i have a sony vaio p4 with ht @ 3ghz 2gb ram
14:29:40dan_apreglow: Second core is not enabled - but now it is put to sleep by the main Rockbox program, not by the bootloader
14:29:56preglowdan_a: no, not enabled as such, no, but it is in a sleep loop, yes?
14:30:13webguest36anyone here use bitpim / qpst on their cellphone ?
14:30:21dan_apreglow: That's correct
14:31:29preglowgoodie
14:32:03dan_apreglow: Check cop_main() in main.c to see what's happening with the second core
14:33:34webguest36man tool - no quarter is an amazing song
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14:35:35preglowmantool
14:35:40excitatoryheh, what a loser
14:35:48preglowsounds like penis slang to me!
14:35:50excitatoryitunes, and 128k mp3
14:35:52excitatorypfff
14:36:12excitatory;)
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14:46:38lamedhow do I make a splash that disapears if the user press a button?
14:47:36lamedis it doable?
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14:48:14lamed(i think it is only if I count the time from the calling function and let it handle the keypress)
14:48:43*lamed slaps everybody...
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14:54:20mortalhello, does someone here know of the inner workings of a creative zen nano plus
14:54:29mortalI have one and I managed to fuck the fs up
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14:56:19markunmortal: no creative zen owners in here I think
14:59:13preglowlogically enough, since rockbox doesn't run on it
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15:04:46mortalis it possible somehow to restore the fs?
15:04:51mortalwithout sending it to creative?
15:05:16markunmortal: why are you asking that here?
15:06:11thegeekbecause there is a lot of people that know a lot about the technical side of mp3 players here?
15:06:34thegeekI daresay that if I had an issue with _any_ player I would try a quick question here before sending it in;P
15:06:45markun:)
15:06:54markunMe too probably
15:06:54thegeek;)
15:06:56thegeekhehe
15:08:03lamedI'd better ask again... I'm writing a (simple) function that's /* displays a splash for a given time, aborting if a key is pressed */. am I doing something that's already possible?
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15:09:58linuxstbYou could call splash with whatever parameters make it return immediately, and then call the get_button_w_tmo() function.
15:10:33lamedyepp, that's the idea
15:10:47lamedi was wondering whether i'm missing something else
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15:22:56senabsay i've created a shell file, is there any simple way of outputting a log file?
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15:25:51linuxstbJust do "./myscript.sh &> logfile"
15:27:11senaboh crap ye, why didn't i think of that? i was thinking of sort of echo command
15:27:16senabthanks linuxstb
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15:40:56*lamed committing FS #5182
15:43:59linuxstblamed: 14.07.43 # <linuxstb> lamed: Doesn't that conflict with moving up and down the directory levels by holding left/right?
15:44:37preglowdoes it indeed seem like it
15:44:39lamedah, I answered to something totally different beforehand, sorry...
15:45:27preglowwhat's up with switching from 3*HZ to HZ*3 ?
15:47:06lamedtry it, it won't affect at all. just as a prove of concept - up until now if you held right on a folder you quickly ended up selecting the first file in the max depth folder. (and why is that prooving it won't conflict with directories? because up until now you wouldn't ever use long presses on left and right)
15:47:23linuxstbI use it to move back to the root quickly.
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15:48:20linuxstbWhich was the main complaint against the "left in root goes to WPS" request.
15:49:05lamedpreglow: just looked like the correct styling
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15:50:38preglowthere is no correct styling, people are free to format their source files as they want
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15:50:51preglowwith the few limitations in CONTRIBUTING, that is
15:53:49lamedlinuxstb: what could I say... like many other commitments, I've been trying to raise discussion about changing those keybinds for many many times, including forums & the mailing lists. I have had consent that one button operations are better from a bunch of guys, but none the less, we could scroll back if you find it inappropriate.
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15:54:46linuxstblamed: I started to discuss it an hour ago when you said you were about to commit it...
15:56:18lamedhey, I don't blame you for nothing! I missed your second question, I thought I already answered it :)
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15:58:03linuxstbIf others think it's worth sacrificing the ability to quickly move through the file browser, then I don't feel strongly enough about it to argue. So lets just wait and see what others say now it's committed.
15:59:29preglowahh, you can keep it pressed as it is now
15:59:31preglowi didn't know that
15:59:52lamedthat's a fine idea. I remember amiconn, & linusn approving it for sure, and I think bagder & preglow as well but I very might be mistaken.
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16:00:54lamedpreglow? like: dislike;
16:01:51preglowi don't really feel very strongly about it
16:02:00preglowavoiding two button presses is undeniably good
16:02:12linuxstbI also never use the horizontal scrolling, so don't gain anything by the patch. But I agree ON+LEFT/RIGHT is awkward on the h1x0.
16:02:33preglowSlasheri: does flashed rockbox work more than thirty seconds now?
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16:02:41preglowthirty minutes...
16:03:00linuxstbpreglow: I didn't know there was an issue... But I've only had my h1x0 flashed for a few days.
16:03:39*JdGordon back.. miss me?? :p
16:03:52lamedof course
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16:07:27JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 ??
16:08:44*preglow feels stupid for not having rockbox flashed...
16:09:01JdGordonwhy?
16:09:10preglowjust remember slasheri saying there was an issue where it would lock up after thirty minutes or so
16:09:11JdGordondoesnt flashing it mean there is more chance of bricking it?
16:09:48preglowJdGordon: indeed, yes
16:10:13JdGordonright.. so why fell stupid for not?
16:11:16preglowit's not hardcore!"!¤!!
16:11:22lamedhehe
16:11:24JdGordonoh... i see....
16:11:42lamedjdgordon: how things are going with your patch?
16:11:51JdGordonwhich one in particular?
16:11:58JdGordonim trying to get about 5 commited :p
16:12:26lamedI only know about 5338, which you have asked me to commit :)
16:12:40JdGordonits ready to go...
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16:15:07lamed(I told you, I get flames all the time none the less I try to discuss my submittons first...) are you managing to get people in favor of it?
16:15:40JdGordonsafetydan thought i needed more whitespace.. but noone has said they dont want it...
16:17:47lamedwhat are your other patches?
16:19:11JdGordon5782, 5623 (Linus likes that one but said he wants someone elses opionon on it..), 2808
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16:26:02lamedjdgordon: I'm not sure, but I think 5782 can only confuse, but anyways that's out of my turf actually.
16:26:51JdGordonmeh, ye, i got sick of having to do the $ifdefs.. Bagder liked it so hopefully he'll commit it.. one day... :p
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16:29:52Slasheripreglow: it should work just fine as currently we use the ram image
16:30:17Slasheripreglow: if you would like to try, you can find the tested bootloader image here: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/bootloader.iriver
16:30:31Slasherithe flash plugin includes crc checksum of that file
16:31:10Slasheripreglow: to restore original fw, you either can use the rom dump feature before flashing, or convert an original ihp_120.hex to ihp_120.bin and use that
16:31:49Slasherilinuxstb: btw, did you upgrade to the latest bootloader?
16:32:04Slasherilinuxstb: the older one had a problem with eeprom timing and the new one should be faster also
16:32:04linuxstbNo, not yet.
16:32:23linuxstbI'll charge my h140 and do it later today.
16:32:29Slasherisounds good :)
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16:32:49preglowSlasheri: what do you mean use the ram image?
16:32:50Slasheriand you no longer need any patches to do that, recent cvs should work fine
16:32:54linuxstbWill that be the last time? ;)
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16:33:03Slasheripreglow: that is the same rockbox.iriver file that is loaded from disk
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16:33:15Slasheriso the image is not linked and ran directly from flash
16:33:28Slasherionly rom images had that issue with playback
16:34:07Slasherilinuxstb: hehe, the current bootloader should be quite stable :)
16:34:25preglowSlasheri: ah, right, so the only thing that's really different is that we load the image from flash instead of from disk
16:34:33Slasheripreglow: true
16:34:45preglowsounds good
16:34:48Slasheriand with flashed rockbox we also hibernate dircache & tagcache
16:34:49preglowthink i'll give it a whirl
16:34:55Slasherithat gives about 3s boost to boot time
16:35:10Slasheribecause the eeprom memory is used too
16:37:12preglowfor what?
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16:37:59Slasheripreglow: eeprom contains a flag if disk is intact from changes
16:38:13Slasheripreglow: when entering for example bootloader usb mode, that flag is cleared
16:38:30Slasheriand that enables the possibility to hibernate dircache for faster booty
16:38:31Slasheri-y
16:38:44Slasherihmm.. i should write a wiki page about flashing
16:38:58leftrightSlasheri: is your flash routine user selectable,
16:39:57Slasherileftright: hmm, what do you mean with that?
16:40:04leftrightnevermind, you're going to write it up :)
16:40:20preglowhaha, i like the fact that rasher's add button doesn't work
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16:41:58Slasherileftright: it works as a plugin, and you can use it as "open with..." for following type of files: "/rockbox.iriver", "/bootloader.iriver", "/ihp_120.bin", "/internal_rom_000000-1FFFFF.bin"
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16:42:33Slasheriplugin automatically detects the file type and performs necessary checks
16:42:52leftrightSlasheri: thnaks, I'll wait for detailed instructions before fiddling with this
16:42:56preglowSlasheri: i just flash bootloader first, then rockbox.iriver?
16:42:57Slasherifor example it's not possible to flash rockbox.iriver unless compatible bootloader has been flashed before
16:43:12Slasheripreglow: yes, you can't do the other way :)
16:43:22Slasheripreglow: and do you have h120/h140?
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16:43:33Slasheribecause it might not work correctly on other players
16:43:50preglowh120
16:43:56Slasherigood, should work fine
16:44:00preglowwe'll see :P
16:44:04Slasheri:D
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16:47:59XavierGrSlasheri: what happened to you military obligation, is it over now?
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16:48:30SlasheriXavierGr: almost, 22. it will be all over forever! :)
16:48:50XavierGr22 days?
16:49:00Slasherino, 22.8. :)
16:49:07XavierGrah nice
16:49:10Slasherihmm, 11 days :)
16:49:17XavierGrit seems like a century
16:49:24Slasherihehe
16:49:52XavierGrbe a good citizen then (as we say in our country when someone ends his military enlist)
16:50:57XavierGrSo I heard that you are going to rewrite the playback engine?
16:51:02XavierGris that true?
16:51:42Slasherihmm, i would like to if i have enough time to do that :)
16:52:10Slasheriat least partially separate the buffering system
16:52:42XavierGrit would be the 3rd time that someone will write it agian. (and you had the first call :D)
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16:55:42preglowSlasheri: that was most certainly faster. thanks for helping me get rid of reatilos :)
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16:57:52XavierGrpreglow: are you crazy? now you can't playback wma files!!! (sarcasm)
16:58:34linuxstbI only have one wma file, and the original firmware won't play it because it's 48KHz...
16:58:45idnarheh
16:58:56idnarI have zero wma files, and I very much hope that number will never increase
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17:00:17XavierGrI don't have wma files
17:00:33xorAxAxother people have wma files, but i happily transcode them :)
17:01:08linuxstbSo I think we're unanimous - the original firmware has no use at all on the h1x0 :)
17:01:33preglowlinuxstb: can't play because it's 48khz??? remarkable
17:01:45preglowlinuxstb: their dsp subsystem seems to be heavily intertwined in their codec system
17:02:29linuxstbI guess so. I'm pretty sure it didn't play 48KHz vorbis either when I tried, but I think a later firmware fixed that.
17:02:43preglowit does play 48khz wav and mp3, at least
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17:06:44Terinjokescan anyone help me out trying to use Plugin MpegPlayer?
17:07:07Slasheripreglow: nice you got it working :)
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17:07:34linuxstbTerinjokes: What's the problem?
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17:08:12Terinjokeswell, on the plugin page, it gives a code to put into terminal, but that code doesn't seem to work
17:08:23linuxstbYou mean the vlc command?
17:08:44Terinjokesyeah
17:09:10linuxstbWhat's the error?
17:09:21Terinjokesi've ran it from the home folder, in applications, inside the VLC.app, everywhere i can think of
17:09:21Terinjokeshold on
17:09:26linuxstbI mean what's displayed on the screen?
17:09:33linuxstbSo you're on a Mac?
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17:09:59Terinjokesyes
17:09:59Terinjokes-bash: vlc: command not found
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17:11:17linuxstbYou need to locate the vlc executable, and then enter the full path to it. A slow way would be to enter the command "find / -name vlc"
17:12:17Terinjokesi've ran it from applications, and from withen the VLC folder (ie. /VLC.app/Contents/MacOS
17:13:10linuxstbYou may need to type ./vlc - by default Unix shells normally don't look in the current directory for programs.
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17:13:28Terinjokeshrm, well running the find now
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17:18:42Slasheripreglow: in fact dircache hibernation didn't work but should be fixed in latest cvs
17:19:15Slasheri-> faster boot
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17:26:00SeanAUSok, um pastebin is acting up
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17:33:15Terinjokeshttp://pastebin.ca/127943
17:33:35Terinjokesthats what i get when i try to convert
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17:36:06FebsAmazing how many compiler errors you can create by using (} instead of {}.
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17:40:30Terinjokesso, no answer to my question?
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17:41:20KaPooTif i put rockbox on my iPod, do i still have to use iTunes?
17:41:26Terinjokesno
17:41:36KaPooTit just works fine in disk mode?
17:41:41Terinjokesyeah
17:41:44KaPooTsweet
17:41:55KaPooTi hate iTunes
17:42:18KaPooTdo i need to keep iTunes installed or anything?
17:42:31Terinjokesin fact on my ipod (nano) itunes won't even work with the ipod (then again, i'm on mac, so it is looking for a mac formatted ipod...)
17:42:49Terinjokesif you want to use itunes, you need it install, but other wise, no
17:43:06KaPooTk good, iTunes is a pretty sh!tty piece of software, i want nothin to do w/ it
17:43:25Terinjokesi love itunes, i don't know what your talking about
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17:44:03KaPooTto copy mp3's to a media player should not require nearly as bulky an interface
17:44:10KaPooTor a windows service (two for that matter)
17:44:24Terinjokesthe ipod does not require itunes
17:44:41KaPooTwell whenever i plug it in ... itunes comes up
17:44:48S0apNot trying to steer you away from RockBox, but there are many capable itunes alternatives.
17:45:01TerinjokesApple just wants you to believe that, in fact there are MANY applications that well move songs to the ipod
17:45:13Terinjokesyour probably got Real Player installed
17:45:28KaPooTReal Player is another p.o.s.
17:45:34Terinjokesi agree
17:45:48S0apIf itunes pops up whenever you plug in your ipod, and you hate itunes, you are not "master of your domain"
17:45:59KaPooTi've come to terms with the fact
17:46:00XavierGromg the mpegplayer in H300 is rather slow?
17:46:03XavierGromg the mpegplayer in H300 is rather slow
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17:46:06Terinjokesthen uninstall itunes, and use something else
17:46:32Terinjokesrockbox isn't going to stop itunes from opening
17:46:44KaPooTi just want something that works correctly in disk mode 100%
17:47:02Terinjokeswhat do you mean by that?
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17:47:22KaPooTwhere my iPod acts just like a thumb drive (jump drive etc.) nothing more, no software interface
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17:47:34dropandhohey guys...was wondering if there is anywhere that i can read about the EPROM stuff
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17:47:50dropandhoi see lots of work for the EPROM...but no clue what it does.
17:47:59metanickHi folks. I am about to install rockbox on my new IAudio X5. I have placed the x5_fw.bin file from the dual-bootloader on the wiki in my FIRMWARE directory and unzipped the 20060812 build zipfile into the player's root directory. Now I just disconnect the usb, power off and power on, correct? I just want to be sure I'm not about to brick my new player. =:\
17:48:00Terinjokeswell, KaPooT, rockbox uses the same drive mode the orginal ipod firmwire uses
17:48:08S0apKaPooT - If you uninstall itunes and use rockbox you can do that, but even with itunes you can use your ipod as a simple drive.
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17:48:23KaPooTiTunes has got to go
17:48:54*Terinjokes doesn't see why people hate itunes, is itunes better on the mac or something?
17:49:35FebsIf I do a cvs commit directory_name, will it commit all of the changes in that directory, or do I need to specifically list in the cvs commit command the files that have changed.
17:50:58KaPooTi just want to plug the dam thing in then be able to drag / drop mp3's and m3u's
17:51:17Terinjokesoh, then use rockbox
17:51:50Terinjokesthough you might want to organise them a bit something Music/Artist Name/Album Name/Song Name
17:52:05KaPooTyea i'm big on organizin it my way
17:52:15Terinjokesor whatever your why is
17:52:17KaPooTi have a decent mp3 collection to begin with
17:52:27TerinjokesKaPooT, what ipod are you using?
17:52:33KaPooTnano 2 gig
17:52:39Terinjokesblack?
17:52:44KaPooTof course
17:53:00Terinjokeshey, same one as me, my i suggest a theme?
17:53:14KaPooTthats what i'm here for, to talk about this before it goes down
17:53:34dropandhoanyone know the advantages to this EPROM work?
17:53:38Terinjokesthe default themes are UGLY
17:53:52Terinjokesi suggest this one, i think it goes with the rest of the nano
17:53:53Terinjokeshttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#Neeon_Nano_Black
17:54:12KaPooTso, if i put rockbox on, drag drop folders of mp3 + m3u works fine?
17:54:33Terinjokesyep, so does many other formats, OGG Vorbis for example
17:54:51KaPooTexcellent
17:55:08KaPooTty
17:55:13Terinjokesnp
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17:56:27Terinjokesand with rockbox, your nano plays video, or at least thats what they tell me, i can't get it to work
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17:57:49KaPooTlol, i cna live w/ just mp3s
17:58:43S0apgood man, for video 'tis silly.
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18:01:42Terinjokesi still can't encode transcode the video correctly...grm
18:02:32Terinjokesi just get stuck with a useless file no player on my computer can open
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18:11:50locohey, may i suggest a possible solution to the exclude-files-from-tagcache-problem?
18:12:18KohlribaDoes anyone have experience with wavpack lossy on rockbox?
18:12:37Kohlribadoes it have a higher power consumption than vorbis on encoding?
18:12:45locowhat about introducing a "filename" filter? this information is available in the cache anyway, isn't it?
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18:14:12locothen, you could use clauses like Music filename ? ^ "/music" or something like that.
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18:18:04locoor filename ? !^ "/recordings", given someone implements the not operator. ;)
18:25:20linuxstbloco: But that still means that tagcache indexes the whole disk?
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18:26:51locoyes, it does. that makes it still possible to have another setting in the config file that lets you browse the "evil files".
18:29:41linuxstbBut it doesn't help if the evilness is the existing of thousands of files you never want to view in tagcache - such as the High Voltage SID Collection.
18:30:27linuxstbSo I think both are ideas are useful - a way to filter by filename, and a way to limit the files tagcache indexes.
18:30:48locooh, you mean it's a waste of memory.
18:31:07linuxstbAnd a waste of time indexing them in the first place - there are 32000 files in the HVSC.
18:31:55locowell, but that should happen only once.
18:32:31linuxstbBut as you said, it's a huge waste of memory.
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18:33:14locoof course, i didn't take this into account. but i think it would be a nice feature anyway.
18:34:24linuxstbI agreed with you.
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18:35:59locohm, maybe i'll try and write a patch for that one tomorrow. i just hope, my programming skills aren't gone at all. ;)
18:39:32locohm, i just found the example title !^ "crap" in the recent version of tagtree.c. but the ! operator doesn't yet work, does it?
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18:42:04evilnickcan anyone explain exactly how to flash my iRiver h140? I keep getting "incompatible bootloader"
18:42:35Slasherievilnick: i am just writing a wiki page for this.. you need to upgrade bootloader first
18:42:45Slasherihttp://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/bootloader.iriver
18:42:55Slasherihere you can find a compatible and tested bootloader
18:43:06evilnickfantastic!
18:43:40dropandhoi'd be curious to know how many folks download rockbox builds
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18:43:53dropandhodo we have any ideas on that?
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18:47:54AlexBeppleWould some of the fellow users be kind enough to grant me write privileges for the TWiki?
18:49:47sharpeAlexBepple: sure...
18:50:23Slasherievilnick: did you got it working?
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18:50:59evilnickSlasheri: yes, thankd for the link to the bootloader.iriver
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18:51:05evilnickthankd = thanks
18:51:07Slasherievilnick: nice :)
18:51:23AlexBepple@sharpe: Thank you.
18:53:42sharpethere you go...
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19:46:53webguest03how do i control the horizontal control steps, i.e. how do i just get it to horizontally scroll one step to the right
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19:48:07webguest03the horizontal scroll feature os pretty unuseable as it is now, if one can't incrementally scroll horizontally
19:48:24Slasherihere should be initial documentation about the flashing plugin http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing
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19:53:35webguest03what on earth is the point of the horizontal scroll feature if the scroll steps aren't user slectable ?
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20:27:46sharpeahah. i've got it. i know what i'm going to work on for rockbox.
20:27:59dropandhowhats that?
20:29:01sharpeeh, a general compressed format viewer. like for zip, tar, bz2, gzip, etc.
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20:32:29sharpealthough i'll doubt there will be much interest in it, i'll do it anyway...
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20:46:19linuxstbsharpe: What do you mean by viewer? What are you going to do with the files once you uncompress them?
20:48:30sharpelinuxstb: to tell you the truth, i have no idea. i was just somehow reminded of that one plugin i horribly made, thought that i might try for one that actually works. i also don't see if there would be a need for a plugin such as this, afterall, who really needs to open a zip on their player?
20:49:25linuxstbExactly...
20:49:51sharpewell. back to thinking of an idea.
20:50:21linuxstbHow about a C64 emulator?
20:51:05sharpehmm. sounds familiar.
20:52:40sharpeor maybe some obscure computer used for mainly games that didn't have a keyboard to emulate...
20:53:28linuxstbAtari 2600?
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20:54:25sharpehaha. why did i never think of that?
20:54:50linuxstbYou're too young...
20:56:19sharpeit's not that... it just never crossed my mind to emulate the atari... i have played one though...
20:58:42linuxstbSeems it has a 6507 CPU, which is a cut-down 6502, running at 1.19MHz. Shouldn't be troublesome to emulate.
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21:00:38sharpeyeah, i just read about that. also the graphical output shouldn't be hard at all, like the problems with speed i had with the C64 emulator, only like 160x192 pixels.
21:01:05sharpewhich i could never fit the entire screen for the c64 on the ipod's screen anyway.
21:03:36sharpeor something like that.
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21:07:46sharpethe great question: port an emulator, or write it from scratch?
21:08:37niskelhas anyone encountered a situation where rockbox freezes on an iPod and makes a loud continuous buzzing tone from the device itself?
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21:09:09sharpei might have once.
21:09:31niskelI am getting it now (not from the official build though)
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21:09:56sharpehave you tried resetting your ipod?
21:10:06niskelyes
21:10:16niskelit happens every time I boot
21:10:19niskelgets to the menu
21:10:25niskelI press a button and it freezes
21:10:31niskeland makes the buzzing sound
21:10:51linuxstbWhich unofficial build is it out of curiousity?
21:10:56niskelSenab
21:11:12linuxstbI've never heard of it before.
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21:11:23niskelhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4342.0
21:11:32niskelsenab.co.uk/rockbox/">http://www.senab.co.uk/rockbox/
21:11:41linuxstbSorry, I mean I've never heard of your problem before - I know about Senab's build.
21:11:45niskeloh
21:12:23linuxstbWhich ipod do you have? A hard disk one I assume?
21:12:31niskel60GB 5G
21:13:04linuxstbIf you reboot to the Apple firmware, is your ipod still working OK?
21:13:17niskelhow do i do that? reboot with menu button down?
21:13:39linuxstbYes.
21:13:53linuxstbHave you just installed Rockbox, or do you never use the Apple firmware?
21:14:12niskelI put rockbox on the first day I got it
21:14:18niskelnever had a use for apple firmware
21:14:46niskelOriginal firmware works fine
21:14:58linuxstb:) You could try resetting your Rockbox settings - turn the hold switch on as Rockbox is booting.
21:15:49niskelis that not the same as deleting the .rockbox folder?
21:15:54sharpenot at all.
21:16:11linuxstbNo - Rockbox settings are stored in an otherwise unused disk sector between the partition table and the first partition.
21:16:28linuxstb(it's a long story.....)
21:16:34sharpehaha.
21:16:40niskel... strange place for it
21:16:46niskelthat fixed it
21:16:48linuxstb(it's a long story.....)
21:17:13linuxstbSounds like it was probably the piezo patch in Senab's build going horribly wrong.
21:17:25sharpethat would be my guess...
21:17:26niskelokay
21:17:34niskelwhat is the piezo patch?
21:17:39linuxstbSo perfectly harmless.
21:18:00linuxstbThe piezo is the buzzer inside your ipod that the apple firmware uses to give you an audible click when using the wheel.
21:18:13linuxstbThe piezo patch in Senab's build tries to do the same in Rockbox.
21:18:15niskelokay, yeah I was using that
21:19:03linuxstbIt's always a good idea to reset your settings if you switch between official and unofficial Rockbox builds.
21:19:38niskelThat is what I assumed I was doing when deleting the .rockbox folder
21:19:39niskelso yes
21:19:41niskelmakes sense
21:20:08niskelalso explained why I was always somehow accidentaly deleting all my settings
21:20:16niskelunplugging from usb with hold on
21:21:02xorAxAxheh
21:21:12linuxstbIf you go into the Manage Settings menu, you can export your settings to a .cfg file. You can just click on that file to load them if they are ever lost.
21:21:25linuxstb(.cfg files are text files, and survive the settings format changing)
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21:22:09niskelone other question. is there a way in linux to have it say it is safe to unplug the device?
21:22:21niskelI always unmount and eject but it still says not to disconnect
21:23:37linuxstbI always just unmount and then pull the plug. I can't even see what's on the screen...
21:23:41*ender` yawns
21:24:44sharpelinuxstb: think i should just port an emulator?
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21:32:49linuxstbsharpe: I don't care how you do it, as long as you finish it this time :)
21:33:18linuxstbAre there any GPL'd emulators suitable for porting?
21:35:00niskelhttp://stella.sourceforge.net/ maybe
21:35:26sharpehaha, as long as i finish it...
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21:38:23sharpestella is written in c++...
21:38:35niskel:\
21:38:37linuxstbAh, lots of fun then...
21:38:46linuxstbToo easy otherwise.#
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21:40:18niskelhttp://atari800.sourceforge.net/
21:40:24niskelfor a few atari models
21:40:27niskelC and GPL
21:41:01niskelwith some added ASM for fun :)
21:42:12sharpeah, but no atari 2600.
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21:48:00KaPooTwell ... i found it
21:48:03KaPooTits certainly buried
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