00:00:19 | petur | hehe... was investigating a strange glitch (beep) in a recent recording. Looking at the waveform, it must have been a glitch in the PA :) |
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00:01:01 | jhMikeS | The progress bar always seems to stop 2 seconds before the end of the recorded file. |
00:01:18 | petur | let me try with my current build |
00:01:46 | Mikachu | jhMikeS: that is a "feature" |
00:01:55 | Mikachu | oh wait, i think i didn't read everything now :) |
00:02:18 | jhMikeS | Mikachu: hehe |
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00:04:00 | jhMikeS | peter: 'beer' You're not doing a long recording are you? Just do 10 seconds. |
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00:04:14 | jhMikeS | sorry, petur |
00:04:39 | petur | playing back a recording always shows everything correctly till the end |
00:05:32 | jhMikeS | I wonder what could be missing from the file at that point. |
00:05:44 | jhMikeS | When I did the file split the problem was not evident. |
00:06:14 | petur | record yourself counting to ten |
00:06:41 | petur | then you'll hear what's missing |
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00:09:30 | jhMikeS | petur: did that a whole bunch of times...no audio is missing I don't think. |
00:10:00 | petur | do you get this whit other files (not recorded) ? |
00:10:07 | jhMikeS | no |
00:10:20 | jhMikeS | I'll verify that actually. |
00:10:30 | jhMikeS | Do you use "play" to stop the recording? |
00:10:49 | jhMikeS | Or is there some other button I don't know about? :) |
00:10:50 | petur | 'stop' |
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00:11:09 | jhMikeS | Play is stop on x5 |
00:11:21 | jhMikeS | long press |
00:11:29 | petur | oh you're on x5 |
00:11:31 | jwwolf | anyone with time to help? |
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00:12:36 | petur | 'play' = pause recording on h300 |
00:12:49 | jwwolf | anyone with exp with patching on cygwin? |
00:13:00 | petur | little, but shoot |
00:13:15 | jwwolf | tryingto apply a patch but i keep get hunk errors |
00:13:20 | Davide-NYC | jwwolf: have you seen the giude on the wiki> |
00:13:22 | petur | ah |
00:13:24 | jwwolf | yes |
00:13:28 | jwwolf | i have the enviroment running |
00:13:31 | jwwolf | i am in thebash |
00:13:34 | Mikachu | jwwolf: if you get errors, you need to fix the patch manually, if you don't know how you are out of luck |
00:14:03 | jwwolf | any ideas where to get started doing them manually? |
00:14:09 | jwwolf | is it just editing the files by hand? |
00:14:12 | Mikachu | yeah |
00:14:17 | Davide-NYC | jwwolf: I don;t really know how, but what I've done succesfully is look at the *.rej files and then look at the files that failed to patch |
00:14:27 | Mikachu | that's the one |
00:14:30 | Davide-NYC | edit the required files and just recompile |
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00:14:44 | jwwolf | what are the rej files? |
00:14:49 | Mikachu | sometimes it's just something nearby that changed that has no effect on what you want to do |
00:14:51 | Davide-NYC | it works for me sometime, and I really really don't know shit |
00:14:57 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
00:15:02 | Mikachu | but sometimes the code you want to patch has changed completely and then it's harder |
00:15:09 | Mikachu | jwwolf: they're the part of the patch that couldn't be applied |
00:15:10 | jwwolf | hmmm |
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00:15:14 | Davide-NYC | ^^ what mika says |
00:15:27 | jwwolf | so i just go in an change them manually? |
00:15:46 | Mikachu | for each foo.c.rej, you want to edit foo.c with the changes listed in the .rej file |
00:15:57 | Davide-NYC | ^^ what mika says |
00:16:31 | Davide-NYC | hey, does anyone want to chime in on the remote button remapping idea I had? Does anyone know what I'm talkiong about? |
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00:20:26 | [HO]volt | on the x5 is there any workaround/progress for the button remapping thing for setting the time (navigating from hours to minutes/seconds/date) ? |
00:20:49 | Davide-NYC | OK, does ayone have wiki access that wants to update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonAssignments for all targets? |
00:21:02 | Davide-NYC | Or is anyone nuts enought to give me wiki access? |
00:21:06 | Davide-NYC | :-) |
00:21:33 | petur | what, you don't have access yet? |
00:22:00 | Davide-NYC | nope |
00:22:04 | Davide-NYC | how do I get access. |
00:22:06 | Davide-NYC | ? |
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00:22:17 | petur | give me your wiki name |
00:22:38 | | Part MadDog011 |
00:23:09 | petur | I take you've already registered? |
00:23:15 | Davide-NYC | I presume that I currently use guest access and that I am now creating a wiki name |
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00:23:34 | Davide-NYC | unless I registerd and don;t remember |
00:23:59 | Davide-NYC | use my real info |
00:24:03 | Davide-NYC | davide gentile |
00:24:13 | Davide-NYC | concat if necessary |
00:24:18 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
00:24:39 | petur | did you register already? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration |
00:25:50 | Davide-NYC | doing |
00:25:59 | petur | ok |
00:26:23 | petur | just discovered you didn't until now ;) |
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00:27:23 | jwwolf | ok another question |
00:27:59 | jwwolf | what in the rej file it list #include dircache.h what this mean lol |
00:28:17 | petur | Davide-NYC:done |
00:28:23 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
00:29:10 | Davide-NYC | petur: stupid question: is it cool if I expand the ButtonAssignments page to include all targets and remotes? |
00:29:45 | petur | sorry, haven't followed anything about those button things |
00:29:47 | jwwolf | Davide-NYC: is it ok if i pm you since you seem to have some exp wiht manually editing the file? |
00:29:59 | Davide-NYC | I have diddly experience. |
00:30:05 | jwwolf | oh woops |
00:30:08 | jwwolf | lol |
00:30:08 | Davide-NYC | trust me I know nothing. |
00:30:14 | petur | haha |
00:30:15 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
00:30:35 | jwwolf | petur? would you know how to progress in manually editing the files? |
00:31:04 | Bagder | jwwolf: load the file in a text editor, fix the flaws |
00:31:07 | Bagder | recompile |
00:31:18 | Bagder | it takes some programming knowledge |
00:31:20 | Davide-NYC | petur: if you have a sec chack the images in this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5851.msg45257#msg45257 |
00:31:23 | Bagder | at times a lot |
00:31:28 | jwwolf | i dont understand whatthe erriors are commenting on |
00:31:29 | Mikachu | jwwolf: what patch are we talking about? |
00:31:39 | jwwolf | ipod_brightness.patch |
00:31:46 | Mikachu | ah |
00:31:55 | jwwolf | and a few other ones as well but that is the main one i am consentrating on |
00:32:02 | Mikachu | i think it was decided it uses too much cpu to be included |
00:32:11 | jwwolf | oh |
00:32:29 | jwwolf | what about list.opti.and.scroll.accel.patch? |
00:32:41 | Mikachu | what it does is turn the backlight on and off 50 times or so per second, so it looks like it is dimmed |
00:32:45 | Mikachu | i don't know |
00:32:51 | jwwolf | oh |
00:33:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's not *quite* how it works. |
00:33:09 | Mikachu | that's what fades do too, but they only last for a second so it doesn't matter |
00:33:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Isn't it the voltage to the LED that's fluctuated, not really it's on/off state? |
00:33:31 | Mikachu | it's turned on and off |
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00:33:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Either way, it requires the CPU to be boosted the whole time. |
00:33:55 | amiconn | ? |
00:33:55 | Mikachu | requires in the sense that switching boost state makes the screen flicker |
00:34:02 | Mikachu | amiconn: am i lying? |
00:34:03 | jwwolf | seems like all the patches are not finding the correct files? |
00:34:18 | amiconn | Mikachu: Not on ipod |
00:34:23 | jwwolf | most have no such file or directory |
00:34:29 | amiconn | The pp timer is independent of the cpu clock |
00:34:46 | Mikachu | hm, i see |
00:34:54 | Mikachu | but it still uses too much cpu to flip the enable bit? |
00:35:00 | amiconn | But using pwm for the ipod backlight just feels wrong |
00:35:15 | Mikachu | i don't know how the original firmware fades it :( |
00:35:28 | jwwolf | what about the audioscrobbler patch? |
00:35:31 | Mikachu | i think preglow said it probably did pwm too but much faster |
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00:35:36 | amiconn | Afaik the ipod can set backlight brightness somehow, but we need to figure out how |
00:36:04 | Mikachu | if you shake the ipod quickly while fading in rockobx, you can see the lcd turn on and off, but in retail os it's a constant lower light |
00:36:19 | petur | jwwolf: if it can't find the files, use -px where x is 0 to ... or go to the correct directory before patching |
00:36:20 | Mikachu | (not a recommended procedure with hd based ipods) |
00:37:12 | amiconn | Well, as long as the disk isn't spinning, shaking shouldn't hurt |
00:37:18 | jwwolf | so i should put the patches in the main cvs and then call it via patch in the say firmware folder? |
00:37:39 | amiconn | shaking causes way lower g forces than e.g. dropping on a hard floor |
00:37:51 | Mikachu | that is also not recommended :) |
00:37:55 | jwwolf | haha |
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00:38:37 | petur | jwwolf: all depends on the patch, most are done from the rockbox directory (which has the apps, firmware,... dirs) |
00:38:49 | jwwolf | thats what i though |
00:38:51 | jwwolf | *t |
00:38:59 | jwwolf | hmm |
00:39:04 | Mikachu | if you look at the patch you can figure out what number to use |
00:39:14 | Mikachu | the x in -px says how many leading path segments to strip |
00:39:29 | jwwolf | ? |
00:39:49 | Mikachu | foo/bar/baz has three path segments, -p1 would leave bar/baz |
00:40:08 | Mikachu | so if the patch says apps/main.c you want to say -p0 and sit in the main rockbox cvs dir |
00:40:17 | jwwolf | oh |
00:40:20 | Mikachu | if it says only main.c you want to be in apps/ |
00:40:27 | Mikachu | if it says rockbox/apps/main.c you want to be in the main dir and say -p1 |
00:40:34 | jwwolf | so if it goes to firmware i would -p1 then? |
00:41:03 | Mikachu | that depends on where you are |
00:41:21 | jwwolf | apps/SOURCES i would do -p0 correct from the main cvsroot? |
00:41:26 | Mikachu | yeah |
00:41:31 | jwwolf | let me try that |
00:41:40 | Mikachu | you could also just try until it works but that's not as fun as knowing what's going on |
00:41:48 | jwwolf | yeah |
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00:49:23 | jwwolf | how do you read a rejects file,not open it up but read what it means? |
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00:51:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | Look at it in a text viewer of some sort? |
00:51:53 | Mikachu | a reject file is meant for a human to read |
00:52:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a file containing C code, and telling you which lines to substitute for other lines |
00:52:18 | Mikachu | it may or may not have c code :) |
00:52:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, it *may* have some assembly |
00:52:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | But that's fairly unlikely |
00:53:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or it may have tex |
00:53:19 | jwwolf | i guess im not understanding how i go about editing the corresponding file that has the rejects in it? |
00:53:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | But in this case, it's most likely to have C code. |
00:53:54 | Mikachu | jwwolf: the reject file has a line number and some text with - and + in front of them |
00:54:03 | Mikachu | go to the file and line it specifies, and remove lines with - and add lines with + |
00:54:08 | Bagder | jwwolf: you see what changes that it could do in the original file and then you need to convert those into changes you _can_ do in the original file |
00:54:15 | Bagder | hm |
00:54:20 | Bagder | my typing sucks |
00:54:24 | * | Bagder runs off again |
00:55:07 | jwwolf | so it says 63,68 then an #include "direcache'h" what isthat refering to? |
00:55:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's a line in the file that should be... |
00:55:42 | jwwolf | ? |
00:55:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like, whatever file you should be editing has the line #include "dircache.h" in it |
00:55:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or should have it. |
00:55:50 | Mikachu | jwwolf: the NAME of the reject file says which file you should edit |
00:55:58 | Mikachu | i told you this earlier |
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00:56:17 | Bagder | the 63,68 are line numbers where the diff was made |
00:56:18 | jwwolf | yes |
00:56:26 | jwwolf | there identical |
00:56:38 | Mikachu | i think maybe this is a lost cause |
00:56:43 | jwwolf | why? |
00:56:51 | jwwolf | im trying to understand it |
00:56:59 | jwwolf | but it dosent make sense |
00:57:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | It makes sense |
00:57:05 | jwwolf | those lines are identical |
00:57:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | It doesn't make sense to you. |
00:57:16 | jwwolf | 63-68 have the exact same lines |
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00:58:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Is that "63 through 68" because that's what - usually means? |
00:58:26 | jwwolf | ? |
00:58:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | You said "63-68 have the exact same lines" |
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00:58:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | That would read, if spoken, "63 through 68 have..." |
00:58:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which does in fact make no sense. |
00:58:53 | jwwolf | yes in the rej file is says that and on the .c file it says the same thing |
00:59:13 | Mikachu | jwwolf: does the rej file have lines that start with - and +? |
00:59:21 | jwwolf | yes some parts |
00:59:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | The .rej file will have a lot of what the .c file have, because it has to show you what the "old" lines look like |
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01:00:04 | Davide-NYC | does archos have an ftp server? |
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01:00:27 | jwwolf | can i post the excerpt of thescript is is 6 lines ? |
01:01:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: Google pastebin, post it there, and then post a link to it. |
01:01:26 | jwwolf | i know pastebin |
01:04:23 | [HO]volt | What does the "sleep" option do on my iAudio x5 ? |
01:04:32 | [HO]volt | Does it turn off the LCD as I would expect? |
01:04:35 | Mikachu | did you read the manual? |
01:04:42 | jwwolf | http://pastebin.com/771574 |
01:04:58 | [HO]volt | Mikachu: Yes, the manual only references sleep as relating to hard drives |
01:05:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | [HO]volt: And the sleep timer? |
01:05:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't know of any straight "Sleep" option without any other words... |
01:05:43 | [HO]volt | Sorry its called "Sleep (After Backlight Off)" |
01:06:00 | Mikachu | it might refer to turning the lcd off |
01:06:13 | [HO]volt | Options are Always, Never, 5s 10s 15s 20s 30s 45s 60s |
01:06:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm guessing that's LCD Poweroff then, tough it needs a better name if it is. |
01:06:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | "Sleep" usually refers to the whole player, rather than just a single part of it. |
01:06:54 | Rudy4Pez | Agreed. |
01:07:09 | Mikachu | [HO]volt: is it in fact under the LCD settings menu? |
01:07:16 | [HO]volt | Mikachu: Yes |
01:07:29 | Mikachu | then try setting it to 5s and see what happens |
01:07:31 | [HO]volt | It isnt covered very well in the manual either |
01:07:42 | [HO]volt | After the backlight turns off I can't see anything even under a light |
01:07:43 | Mikachu | probably a newly added option |
01:07:46 | jwwolf | did that pastbin work? |
01:08:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: Pastebin's being horribly slow |
01:08:19 | jwwolf | yeah i noticed |
01:09:04 | [HO]volt | It seems as if my LCD is powering off when it goes dark - I can't see anything even under a light |
01:09:15 | Mikachu | [HO]volt: is it set to always? |
01:09:19 | [HO]volt | This is with Backlight set to 5s and LCD Poweroff set to 10s |
01:09:32 | Mikachu | then i don't know what else to try |
01:10:04 | [HO]volt | Apparently i _should_ see something under a light when the backlight is off (and LCD on) right? |
01:10:20 | Mikachu | that would seem like a reasonable assumption |
01:13:21 | hotwire__ | does anyone know what each button the the lcd remotes are currently assigned to? |
01:13:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: Okay, notice how the lines that are identical do not have a - or + before them? |
01:13:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: That's because they don't change... thus the whole "identical" thing. |
01:13:54 | jwwolf | the ones with the + are the exact same on the other file |
01:14:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: So, the other file already has #include "scrobbler.h"? |
01:14:19 | jwwolf | yes |
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01:14:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then go on to the next one. |
01:14:54 | jwwolf | there identical |
01:14:57 | jwwolf | all of them i checked |
01:14:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | "They're" |
01:15:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Also, did you try applying the patch more than once or something? |
01:15:17 | jwwolf | no |
01:15:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | It sounds like you didn't *just* apply this patch to clean CVS sources. |
01:15:47 | jwwolf | i redownloaded the cvs just moments ago after the last patch failed |
01:15:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, and did you delete all the .rej files? |
01:16:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are you sure this one was created by the most recent patching attempt, and not an older one? |
01:17:04 | jwwolf | yes |
01:17:21 | jwwolf | the entire rockbox was deleted and redownloaded after the patch failed |
01:17:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | So, you've only run "patch whatever.patch" exactly once? |
01:17:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | On this new set of source code? |
01:17:47 | jwwolf | yes |
01:18:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | And you're using the official sources, downloaded using the cvs command? |
01:18:30 | jwwolf | yes |
01:18:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's something you're not telling me. |
01:18:52 | jwwolf | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile <using that link verbaitem |
01:19:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because if you tried to apply the patch, and it *didn't* those lines would not exist. |
01:19:12 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: the patch is rather old |
01:19:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | And if it did, it wouldn't put them in the .rej |
01:19:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Yeah, but #include "scrobbler.h" is not in the CVS sources |
01:19:25 | Mikachu | if we're still talking about the backlight |
01:19:30 | Mikachu | oh, that's no backlight |
01:19:41 | jwwolf | no its the scrobller.patch |
01:20:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: You're not telling me something. That line is not in the official sources. The fact that it's in the .rej means that the run of the "patch" command that created the .rej did not add the file. You either didn't rm -rf the whole rockbox folder (cvs won't simply overwrite it for you without extra commands), or something else is going on. |
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01:20:57 | hotwire__ | Paul_The_Nerd: can you tell me what the 3 buttons are currently assigned to on the iriver lcd remote? |
01:21:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | hotwire__: Unfortunately, my remote is broken, so I cannot. |
01:21:19 | * | Paul_The_Nerd has not yet ordered a new one. |
01:22:01 | jwwolf | i dont know waht welse to say paul, i followed that link verbaitem and followed the cygwin setup verbaitem, and the patch link |
01:22:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: Either way, the unmodified file does not have #include "scrobbler.h" in it, so your file has become modified through *something* that you did. |
01:22:41 | jwwolf | i havent done anything else to the file |
01:23:07 | Mikachu | maybe the patch is broken? |
01:23:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Only if it's trying to add that line more than once in the original patch. |
01:23:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Which means the patch would've *never* applied in the past. |
01:24:03 | Mikachu | maybe there're more patches in the tracker item but he downloaded the oldest one? |
01:24:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: So, let me get this straight. You have no rockbox source. You run cvs to download it. Immediately after that, you do "patch -p0 scrobbler.patch" exactly ONCE. You do nothing else, PERIOD, and this happens? |
01:24:29 | jwwolf | yes |
01:24:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Either way, a patch with that flaw would never have applied even to old sources. |
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01:24:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: Link me to the patch you're using |
01:24:59 | jwwolf | sec |
01:25:17 | jwwolf | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 |
01:25:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | The actual file, please |
01:25:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | The specific one that you downloaded |
01:25:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not the tracker entry |
01:25:49 | jwwolf | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11498 |
01:25:59 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: what do i win? |
01:26:06 | Mikachu | jwwolf: the oldest patches are at the top, you want to scroll down |
01:26:34 | jwwolf | yes i got the patch from the 15th |
01:26:35 | Mikachu | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12155 looks like the one you want |
01:26:59 | Mikachu | the one you linked to is the original patch from 17 april |
01:30:12 | A_M | What does it mean when I get tons of "Clock skew detected" warnings? |
01:31:15 | linuxstb | When running make? |
01:31:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: So, which patch do you have exactly? |
01:31:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | The new one, or the old one? |
01:31:57 | jwwolf | augest 15th |
01:32:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | And is that the one you linked me? |
01:32:13 | A_M | yup, as well as a bunch of "/bla bla bla/* has modification time (some low value) seconds in future" |
01:32:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Because Mikachu says that's the 17 april one. |
01:32:16 | jwwolf | no its not |
01:32:23 | Mikachu | it certainly is |
01:32:41 | jwwolf | i mean iwas aggreeing that it is the april 17th one |
01:32:49 | linuxstb | A_M: It just means those files have modification times in the future. |
01:33:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | jwwolf: But the file you pointed me to is the one you're trying to use? |
01:33:27 | A_M | huh? and how exactly did that happen? and compared to what, the time of the CVS server or my local time on my computer? |
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01:33:47 | linuxstb | A_M: Is your computer's time accurate? |
01:34:35 | A_M | reasonably, the thing is the modification time is never more than like 2 seconds (usually less) into the future |
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01:35:05 | linuxstb | Using vmware? |
01:35:13 | A_M | cygwin |
01:35:13 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why "patch" won't work in his VMWare anymore |
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01:35:49 | linuxstb | A_M: I'm not sure what's causing it then... But the solution would seem to be to wait two seconds. |
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01:43:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any idea why, when I type "patch" or try to patch, it just sits there and does nothing? |
01:43:36 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is using vmware. |
01:43:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | It worked in the past, and I just tried two different images, so I can only really assume VMWare itself hates me now. |
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01:44:26 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: haha. no idea.. by the way, did you want me to make some more badges the other day? |
01:44:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I've been told Admin and Moderator badges would be nifty. |
01:45:01 | sharpe | Maybe eve spiffy, too. |
01:45:02 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is still trying to get in contact with Jeff. |
01:45:04 | midkay | do you agree with that suggestion? :) |
01:45:05 | sharpe | even... |
01:45:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Indeed I do. |
01:45:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've tried emailing Jeff, and leaving him a PM over at his forums, I've tried using his AIM screenname even. He's a hard guy to get a response from. |
01:45:35 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: alright, i can make those now then.. |
01:45:39 | midkay | hm. :\ |
01:45:54 | midkay | you really need to get ftp access and stuff.. |
01:46:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | It would help a lot, I feel. |
01:46:17 | midkay | i feel the same, and i'd be glad to let him know if he's ever around. |
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01:46:44 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd, if I can get in touch with Jeff, how should he contact you? |
01:47:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: paul_the_nerd@gmail.com is the best way. |
01:47:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Eerrr |
01:47:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Paulthenerd |
01:47:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | No _s |
01:47:42 | * | Paul_The_Nerd forgot his own email address for a second. |
01:48:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Admins are Red, Moderators are Blue (like, bright blue compared to prior ones. Almost pure blue) |
01:48:21 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: you probably mistyped the command |
01:48:29 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: the < is of utmost importance :) |
01:48:35 | Mikachu | you can use -i if it makes you feel better |
01:48:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Hrm. It's possible I did. |
01:48:44 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i had something colored "rather blue" and it was deemed a bit hard to see as in too blue.. dunno about pure blue.. |
01:48:47 | Mikachu | otherwise you are telling patch to patch the patch with what you type in manually |
01:48:52 | Mikachu | wow that was a nice sentence |
01:48:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: To be honest, I probably did. |
01:49:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's been a while since I've applied a patch, it seems |
01:49:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: That was the "coder" one, wasn't it? |
01:49:21 | Mikachu | by default patch just reads stdin, and < tells the shell to connect a file to stdin |
01:49:35 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: maybe.. the issue is readability, though. |
01:49:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Right, yeah... thankee. I feel a bit sheepish now. |
01:49:39 | Mikachu | that way you can for example bzcat file.patch.bz2 | patch -p1 |
01:49:43 | midkay | we have.. green for Expert, red for Developer.. |
01:49:51 | midkay | do we have artist and coder? i made those before.. |
01:49:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Ah. Maybe a dark blue border with a gradient to brighter blue text? |
01:50:00 | midkay | one was like purple, one was bluish? |
01:50:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I have the files, I haven't uploaded them yet. |
01:50:06 | midkay | alright. |
01:50:44 | Mikachu | Paul_The_Nerd: or if you have a patch applied, and there is a second patch which includes the first, you can interdiff patch1 patch2 | patch -p1 |
01:50:52 | Mikachu | instead of first reverting patch 1 |
01:50:54 | midkay | admins are red? we already have red Developer.. |
01:50:59 | Mikachu | i'll stop now |
01:51:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: http://70.112.165.230/rbicon/ should show the current accepted icons. Two are of course those already in use. |
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01:52:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Hm... |
01:52:10 | Febs | Paul_The_Nerd, I posted a message for Jeff in the Mistic River admin forum. We'll see if it gets any attention. |
01:52:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | Febs: Thank you muchly |
01:52:45 | Febs | I also asked if the MR admins can help us out. I'll let you know if I can get any response. |
01:52:49 | midkay | we could have burgundy for.. something.. |
01:53:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, it doesn't have to be red. I can pick a new color. They're just red at the moment. Silly red stars. |
01:53:21 | midkay | haha. |
01:53:24 | midkay | i'm looking.. i mean.. |
01:53:29 | midkay | i don't see many usable colors. |
01:53:35 | midkay | yellow/orange are out, they blend in.. |
01:53:43 | midkay | i ended up at a dark red which looks rather nice.. |
01:54:13 | midkay | or this bluish.. |
01:54:21 | Paul_The_Nerd | As long as it's not likely to, at a too quick glance, be confused with existing icons. |
01:54:58 | midkay | neon-blue.. eeeuch.. |
01:55:13 | Mikachu | do they have to be stars? |
01:55:28 | midkay | it'll be a rockbox tag.. |
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01:55:36 | midkay | alright.. glowing burgundy. |
01:56:31 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1531/rockboxadmindo4.gif ? |
01:56:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: The stars are the old thing. We're replacing it with friendly badges like Devs get. |
01:56:46 | midkay | haha. friendly badges. :) |
01:56:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hrm. |
01:57:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | My only concern is that it's not clear that it's a forum admin. It might give the impression that I'm some sort of "Rockbox Admin" and then people would ask me to get patches committed for them. |
01:57:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'm not sure how to resolve that. |
01:57:36 | midkay | hm.. wait.. |
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01:59:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, besides me, the only other "Administrator" who posts is LinusN. |
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01:59:31 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i've got it. |
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02:00:02 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3716/rockboxadmin2vg3.gif ? |
02:00:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Works for me. |
02:01:30 | midkay | k, then.. moderator.. |
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02:04:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's technically two types of moderator, but we don't really have any that aren't "Global Moderator" and I don't expect to be assigning moderators for specific forums any time soon. |
02:04:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or rather, ever. |
02:04:30 | midkay | hmm.. we're presssed for space.. |
02:04:40 | midkay | "moderator" is rather long to fit on any line even by itself.. |
02:04:51 | midkay | what about "FORUM MOD" split up across two lines in the forum admin style? |
02:05:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | Works just fine for me. |
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02:05:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a text title to go with it for those few people who don't know what "Mod" is short for anyway |
02:06:07 | midkay | ah. good. |
02:06:10 | midkay | that was my concern. |
02:07:03 | A_M | Was anyone here involved in writing, or is otherwise very familiar with, the text scrolling code? |
02:07:28 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9940/rockboxmodfz3.gif |
02:08:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | I like it |
02:08:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Okay, those are both as of now officially "Accepted" unless someone comes up with a nice good reason not to use them |
02:08:52 | midkay | haha. |
02:09:06 | * | midkay challenges anyone.. ANYONE... to try and come up with a good reason. |
02:11:25 | scorche | apparently, that "anyone" is supposed to be me, and the reason is supposed to be because "they're ugly" (cept for the mod one) |
02:11:33 | midkay | haha. |
02:11:36 | midkay | gotta go, laters. |
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02:15:57 | Davide-NYC | hotwire__: hey hotwire |
02:16:05 | Davide-NYC | what exactly would you like me to do? |
02:16:16 | Davide-NYC | reffering to diagrams etc |
02:16:24 | Davide-NYC | iriver remotes and such. |
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03:25:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | hotwire__: Your PM has been responded to on the forums, btw. Didn't realize you were in here as well. |
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03:32:09 | webguest09 | can someone help me with the rockbox VMware image? |
03:32:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | What problem are you having? |
03:33:27 | webguest09 | is there a specific place that i have to extract the 7zip file? |
03:33:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | No |
03:33:53 | webguest09 | hmmm |
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03:34:19 | webguest09 | when i open the Rockbox.vmx file, i get this error: |
03:34:22 | webguest09 | Cannot open the disk 'D:\Program Files\VMware\Images\rockbox.vmdk' or one of the snapshot disks it depends on. |
03:34:29 | webguest09 | Reason: The file specified is not a virtual disk. |
03:34:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Are rockbox.vmdk and rockbox-flat.vmdk in the same folder? |
03:34:59 | webguest09 | yes |
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03:35:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | rockbox-flat.vmdk is approximately 2 gigabytes? |
03:35:38 | webguest09 | about 1 - it didnt extract properly? |
03:35:59 | BHSPitLappy | maybe not |
03:36:03 | Paul_The_Nerd | Sounds like it didn't. |
03:36:16 | webguest09 | let me try it again then |
03:38:01 | webguest09 | oh - i just noticed that it is giving me an error - heh heh.. |
03:38:22 | webguest09 | "Error - operation failed" |
03:38:43 | webguest09 | it is only able to extract 896 megabytes of it, it seems |
03:38:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | Running out of disk space maybe? |
03:39:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or a bad .7z file perhaps? |
03:39:18 | webguest09 | possibly - i dont have much |
03:39:30 | webguest09 | well, i got it off of the rockbox.org mirror |
03:39:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the download could've been incomplete or bad. |
03:39:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | 192,849,530 bytes? |
03:40:21 | webguest09 | about that |
03:40:58 | webguest09 | let me clean out my temp folders and i will try again |
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03:57:59 | webguest09 | heh - that worked |
03:58:00 | webguest09 | thanks |
03:59:13 | preglow | hef |
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04:37:09 | keilj | hello people |
04:40:11 | aliask | hello |
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05:00:55 | Davide-NYC | hotwire__: hey hotwire, I just saw your PM |
05:01:08 | Davide-NYC | I still do not exactly understand what it si you want me to do |
05:01:15 | Davide-NYC | you in here? |
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05:07:38 | daurn|laptop | . |
05:12:59 | Davide-NYC | hotwire_: ping |
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05:29:14 | keilj | hello again, im having a bir of trouble with compiling rockbox |
05:29:17 | keilj | bit* |
05:29:37 | keilj | ive installed cygwin and all teh required components etc |
05:30:02 | vcardenas | hi... maybe someone can help me... i'm trying to add a menu element in General settings/System/ , i put it in the function "static bool system_settings_menu(void)" from the settings_menu.c file.. after that, i build the code an i'm running it in the simulator but it doesn'y appear.. whats wrong? |
05:30:05 | keilj | but when it comes to the part in which im supposed to select the device im compiling for i cannot get it to work |
05:31:07 | daurn|laptop | ok |
05:31:11 | daurn|laptop | any devs here |
05:31:29 | aliask | Eh, sorta |
05:31:57 | daurn|laptop | i need help with a new port |
05:32:08 | scorche | and what is the problem you are having? |
05:32:23 | aliask | keilj: What part? What are you compiling? Rockobox or the cross-compiler? |
05:32:24 | daurn|laptop | i'm working on a new port |
05:32:36 | daurn|laptop | and i'm having a compile error |
05:32:46 | daurn|laptop | and i don't know what i've missed |
05:33:04 | keilj | aliask: dont worry, i got it working, i was in teh wrong foler, silly me *blushes* |
05:33:29 | daurn|laptop | who wants the error? |
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05:37:28 | keilj | does anyone have a link ot the description of how to create the hello world plugin, i cannot for the life of me find where it is |
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05:39:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | keilj: The Hello World plugin already exists, as a sample. For instructions on how to compile, you should probably be reading the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page. |
05:39:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | daurn|laptop: What are you working on a port for? And what's your error (I probably cannot help with it, depending on what it is...) |
05:41:21 | keilj | paul_the_nerd: i was looking for the page that gives basic instructions on what a plugin must have. i remember seeing one using the hellow world plugin as an example |
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05:42:23 | aliask | vcardenas: I assume you recompiled and replaced the old binary... |
05:42:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | keilj: I'm not sure what page, but there should be a .c for a hello world plugin already in the plugins folder. |
05:43:21 | BHSPitLappy | daurn|laptop, a PSP port? :P |
05:43:30 | daurn|laptop | .. lol |
05:43:47 | vcardenas | aliask: yes i do |
05:43:56 | aliask | keilj: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
05:44:04 | vcardenas | aliak: yes i did it |
05:44:22 | keilj | thanks aliask, thats the one |
05:44:31 | aliask | vcardenas: You added the menu item like { ID2P(LANG_WHATEVER), function }, I assume? |
05:45:03 | aliask | keilj: I wrote that page a while ago, it might be a bit out of date unless someone's updated it |
05:45:14 | keilj | thats ok |
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05:45:36 | vcardenas | aliask: yes, exactly this line { ID2P(LANG_RANDOM_WPS_STARTUP), random_theme }, but before i added LANG_RANDOM_WPS_STARTUP to the english.lang file |
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05:47:47 | aliask | Try changing the name of the function to something that doesn't exist, and recomiling to see if you're getting errors. |
05:48:18 | vcardenas | aliask: ok |
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05:50:19 | vcardenas | aliask: i got this error: settings_menu.c:2097: error: ârandom_theme__2â undeclared (first use in this function) |
05:51:17 | aliask | Yep, that's what should happen. I'm not 100% familiar with compiling for simulators, maybe you need to do the make install step again? |
05:51:40 | aliask | It just sounds like the simulator binary isn't being updated if the menu item isn't appearing. |
05:52:32 | vcardenas | the simulator has to be recompiled because the changes in the settins_menu.c file? |
05:52:48 | aliask | Yes. |
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05:56:02 | vcardenas | ummm.. the thing is that i'm using the simulator from rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ for the ipod video, because i'm in windows.... but i'm conected to a PC with Linux through SSH, and i compile the code there then bring it to my PC to teh simulator... how can i compile the simulator to be run in windows? |
05:58:49 | keilj | ok, ive created my own version of the helloworld plugin but im not sure what i have to do to get it as a .rock file, any help |
05:59:14 | keilj | btw i have cygwin installed and im using bloodshed dev to write the plugin |
05:59:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | vcardenas: You pretty much have to compile a windows simulator on a windows machine, at the moment. |
05:59:27 | scorche | keilj: you hav to compile it |
05:59:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | The normal development environment isn't really suited for setting up a windows sim on a linux box. |
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06:00:08 | keilj | i can compile a rockbox build but im not sure how to do it for a plugin, i it the same? |
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06:01:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | keilj: When you compile a full rockbox build it includes all plugins. |
06:01:34 | scorche | keilj: add it to /plugins/sources |
06:01:47 | keilj | ahh, okies, cheers |
06:01:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | You need to make sure the .c file is listed in apps/plugins/SOURCES as scorche just said |
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06:02:17 | vcardenas | Paul_The_Nerd: i see... thanks.. and how can i set a development enviroment in windows? i tought that have to be on linux or a linux emulation |
06:02:24 | aliask | vcardenas: That's the situation I'm in. Honestly I don't know how to do it - if you find out tell me :) |
06:03:02 | vcardenas | for linux emulation i mean VMware |
06:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | vcardenas: Or use Cygwin. |
06:03:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | vcardenas: But if you're using VMWare, you can run the simulator in VMWare too. |
06:03:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Our VMWare image is a graphical environment and has SDL support, so you can just run the sim in it. |
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06:04:28 | vcardenas | but i can't do that from linux? a windows simulator? |
06:05:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Do what from linux? |
06:05:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | You can run a linux sim in linux, if you have SDL installed and a graphical environment. |
06:05:42 | vcardenas | because when im compiling, it ask me if i want to build the (S)DL version |
06:05:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
06:06:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you compile in linux, you get a linux binary using SDL |
06:06:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you compile in Cygwin under windows, you get a Cygwin/windows binary using SDL |
06:08:40 | Mikachu | you _can_ compile windows binaries in linux but you really have to know what you're doing |
06:08:52 | vcardenas | umm.. i understand, i used the simulator sometimes in linux when i'm in there phisically... but now i'm only by SSH because im at home... and the PC with the linux is at work.. so i supose that myoptions are to set Cygwin |
06:08:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Yeah, as I said, the Rockbox development environment isn't really suited to it. |
06:09:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | You'd have to do some makefile mojo and use different compilers, I imagine |
06:09:13 | Mikachu | i'm pulling a classic Mikachu and just reading the last 3 lines |
06:09:21 | BHSPitLappy | vcardenas, X tunneling too slow? |
06:09:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | vcardenas: Cygwin or VMware |
06:10:36 | * | Paul_The_Nerd wonders why VMWare seems to get no love. |
06:10:56 | vcardenas | BHSPitLappy: yes, my bandwith is too slow |
06:11:40 | vcardenas | only 128 kbps out and 64 kbps in |
06:12:06 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: it gets love from me...i finally gave up on cygwin...too slow and generally annoying =) |
06:15:04 | vcardenas | then i will set VMWare, but i supose the image is a big file to download |
06:17:23 | vcardenas | thank you very much for the help... i hope to be around... thanks again |
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06:23:43 | sharpe | i need to find something to do. |
06:24:47 | aliask | my homework? |
06:26:36 | BHSPitLappy | my bidding? |
06:26:52 | sharpe | maybe get started on moving some of the thousand "apple ipod general" posts to the respective new forum? |
06:27:16 | aliask | Sounds like fun! |
06:28:54 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: think i should? :) |
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06:29:21 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, he does |
06:29:39 | BHSPitLappy | organization is never a wasted expenditure of time |
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06:30:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Yeah, feel free. |
06:31:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | I've decided that this sunday I'm going to do the major part of the move, and move front-posts over even though back posts definitely won't be done |
06:31:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Then continue the slow backposts move over time |
06:31:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd rather get the thing finished |
06:31:28 | sharpe | eh, sounds reasonable. |
06:31:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | There'll be a period where only the newest 10% of posts or so will show up on searches, but of course, for the most part that's not going to change how the majority use the forums anyway |
06:32:23 | sharpe | not many people go beyond the first page of posts either. |
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06:38:08 | sharpe | Ahh. Battery meter sounds like an Interface related thing to me... |
06:40:09 | ww2 | Hey... I have a question about using .rej files to correctly adapt the source code. How do you figure where in the source to insert the lines with "+" in front of them? I suppose you can't just add them to the end of the file? |
06:40:10 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: any way i can get in on this?...sounds like something to cure my boredom |
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06:41:49 | daurn|laptop | hey |
06:41:57 | daurn|laptop | i need help with button code |
06:43:29 | ww2 | =/ |
06:44:13 | daurn|laptop | button_read_device |
06:44:16 | daurn|laptop | please aid me |
06:45:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Un momento por favor |
06:45:35 | BHSPitLappy | daurn|laptop, last time you asked for help, you got a reply that you didn't respond to :/ |
06:46:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: I'll make you an expert in the forums on the condition that y'know, you don't do anything stupid. That'll give you the power to move posts, which is what's necessary for all this. What's your forum name? |
06:46:21 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: scorche |
06:46:26 | sharpe | Damn. |
06:46:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | That's what I thought |
06:46:51 | daurn|laptop | BHSPitLappy: where? |
06:46:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, the forums are DOWN. That's the problem |
06:46:56 | * | Paul_The_Nerd mutters |
06:47:13 | sharpe | All I did was move one post... :D |
06:47:45 | Paul_The_Nerd | It was MR's server being mean |
06:47:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | The MR forums weren't there either |
06:47:53 | BHSPitLappy | daurn|laptop, 4 min. before I asked if it was a PSP port |
06:47:55 | BHSPitLappy | "<Paul_The_Nerd> daurn|laptop: What are you working on a port for? And what's your error (I probably cannot help with it, depending on what it is...)" |
06:48:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | BHSPitLappy: He PMed me, and I helped as far as I could |
06:48:33 | BHSPitLappy | ah. |
06:48:42 | BHSPitLappy | my mistake. |
06:49:01 | BHSPitLappy | well, in any case I was curious as to the answer to the question as well :P |
06:49:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: You now have the power to organize posts. The plan is described in the a post of mine in the Administration forum. You'll see waaaay too many forums right now. |
06:49:08 | BHSPitLappy | hehe |
06:49:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | I still don't know what it's for. |
06:49:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | But it sounds like it's HWCODEC |
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06:49:31 | daurn|laptop | na |
06:49:34 | daurn|laptop | i looked through |
06:49:44 | daurn|laptop | and its just gotta be anything cept SWCODEC |
06:49:45 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: alright...i will get right on it =) |
06:50:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Right now, while the forums are "open" any posts not on the first 3 pages of a section are fair game for moving |
06:50:23 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i figured as much |
06:50:55 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Would a post concerning an installer merit to be in the respective installation forum? |
06:51:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Indeed. |
06:52:23 | sharpe | Haha, what about uninstalling? |
06:52:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Same |
06:52:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd call removal a subset of installation |
06:53:49 | sharpe | Hmm... finding ones concerning installation are pretty easy to find... |
06:54:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Hopefully once there are installation problems, the people with the questions will realize that too |
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07:11:54 | sharpe | Wow. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3946.0 |
07:12:18 | daurn|laptop | where is button BASE address defined? |
07:13:32 | scorche | sharpe: the recent post in "new ports" made me giggle a bit more |
07:14:10 | sharpe | Hahaha |
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07:35:35 | sharpe | Well, I'm pretty sure I've moved all obvious posts about installation for the ipods. |
07:36:33 | sharpe | From the General forum anyway. |
07:37:24 | sharpe | From pages greater than three... |
07:38:40 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Scorche wants me to ask you to keep track of who moves what so we can have a contest to see who moves the most posts, to get an undetermined prize. |
07:38:47 | scorche | haha |
07:39:17 | fatherfork | oo, the winner can buy my powerbook |
07:39:28 | fatherfork | (no discount) |
07:39:40 | scorche | fatherfork: which was able to be searched last night after you left |
07:39:52 | fatherfork | indeed, thanks for that |
07:40:55 | fatherfork | did it take longer than two more hours? just curious. |
07:41:20 | scorche | slightly...it usually just depends on how busy ebay is at the time |
07:41:26 | fatherfork | yeah, alrighty |
07:42:11 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: There's no real way to track it without rewriting the forum software. |
07:42:44 | sharpe | :D |
07:42:55 | * | Paul_The_Nerd is looking forward to the protests when the forums change. |
07:42:57 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: unless you wanted to count each change one by one ;) |
07:43:00 | Paul_The_Nerd | Any bets on how many people will get upset? |
07:43:25 | Mikachu | 3 |
07:43:34 | scorche | 4 or more |
07:43:37 | sharpe | 4-10? |
07:43:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I suspect there will be people quite upset about the lack of a forum for their player. |
07:43:56 | fatherfork | 1 or more |
07:43:59 | Mikachu | is that not a good thing to have? |
07:44:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | As it is, there's at least one person irritated I haven't move X5 out of the "New Ports" section and given it the respect it deserves. |
07:44:28 | Mikachu | isn't ipod also a new port? |
07:44:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: We're trying to move from player-centric forums to forums that emphasize the fact that it's one piece of software that runs on several types of hardware. |
07:44:53 | Mikachu | still, there will be lots of people with playerspecific problems |
07:44:54 | scorche | i am excited for the change...it means that i will get to do more reading on the forums overall |
07:45:03 | Mikachu | i never use the forums though so don't care about me |
07:45:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: Ipod was more supported before the 3.0 freeze than X5 was, which is when it got its forums, during the freeze. |
07:45:15 | sharpe | scorche: You're just saying that because you have an Expert tag now... :) |
07:45:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Mikachu: There are *very* few real player specific problems. |
07:45:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | At least, outside of "Installation" and removal |
07:45:46 | Mikachu | i think the criteria for a new port should be there is no stable release for it? |
07:45:54 | Mikachu | which is currently everything :) |
07:45:58 | fatherfork | most are patch related |
07:46:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | There won't actually be any player specific sections any more. |
07:46:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Outside of the installation categories. |
07:46:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Based on install process, rather than real hardware distinctions. |
07:46:20 | scorche | sharpe: nope...before, i just read the archos, general, and new ports sections because i did not want to wade throught he ipod installing problems |
07:46:47 | sharpe | scorche: So you left the iPod forums to me... how nice... |
07:46:55 | scorche | yup |
07:47:12 | sharpe | Hey, that means we have like, four Experts now. Haha... |
07:47:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | After the change categories will be stuff like "Playback" "Recording" "Hardware" "User Interface" to focus on the software rather than the players. |
07:47:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | And I've given in and created an "Unsupported Builds" forum. |
07:47:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm hoping that naming it that makes it pretty clear not to ask questions about them outside that forum |
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07:50:04 | fatherfork | I think that will be a good setup |
07:50:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | We're hoping so. |
07:50:35 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may confuse people, or irritate them, but it should help focus discussion where it actually belongs. |
07:50:35 | sharpe | Ahh, I suppose I'll go move some unsupported build posts now... |
07:50:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: Stop for a second |
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07:51:24 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I'd like to just move the "Major" threads there, which will come at the real change. People asking questions about unsupported builds, and being yelled at by me to post in the right place, should probably mostly go to trash |
07:51:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'd like it to try to be organized at one thread per build in that forum, if at all possible |
07:52:10 | scorche | hrm....i am just picking a forum, and moving backwards |
07:52:37 | sharpe | So just the actual unsupported build post to the right forum? |
07:53:25 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah. And most of those shouldn't be moved yet since they're very active |
07:53:44 | Paul_The_Nerd | The plan is to move them there, and change the thread topic to something like "Ipod 5G, 4G, Nano: Senab's Experimental" |
07:53:47 | sharpe | Was going to say it shouldn't take long, not may are after page three... |
07:54:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | What I plan to do is move the first three pages of every forum on sunday, regardless of back-page progress, then hide the old forums, finish working through them over time, and remove them once they're done. |
07:54:50 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: should posts with no reply after a question go in the trash? (these are posts from 2004 that still have not gotten an answer) |
07:55:03 | sharpe | Wow, I just realized. Searching for the posts with a certain age will be so much easier. |
07:55:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | I was gonna try to move the back-pages all first, but it's slower than I expected just to do it, and I ended up busy this week. |
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07:55:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Yeah, basically any post you feel is irrelevant, or useless for people to search for, or just simply outdated "OMG the WIKI IS MISSING" should go there. |
07:56:03 | sharpe | I would say month old posts are a good cut-off date? |
07:56:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'll review them before permanent deletion anyway. |
07:56:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: I can actually prune all posts older than a certain age, ruling out stickies, but I've decided not to do that just yet. |
07:57:09 | scorche | if we are going to prune, i will go from page 4 forwards then |
07:57:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm probably not pruning. |
07:57:23 | sharpe | I meant that for using the search to find, to move to their new forum. |
07:57:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | If I do, though, it'll be at the one year mark, or so |
07:57:49 | scorche | meh...then i will keep at it the way i am |
07:58:38 | Paul_The_Nerd | I just don't really like the idea of arbitrarily pruning |
07:59:03 | sharpe | Just because nobody's replied to it in a year, doesn't mean it's not worth reading... :D |
07:59:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | I already deleted a post I thought was worthless and got a PM asking me why I did it, because the person was subscribed to the thread, still hoping for an answer on a year 'n a half old post. |
07:59:24 | scorche | patient fellow |
07:59:35 | fatherfork | indeed |
07:59:38 | scorche | we dont get many of those 'round here |
07:59:47 | sharpe | scorche: I was about to say that. |
07:59:52 | fatherfork | no, because I want it now |
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08:00:06 | Mikachu | hye guys can you help me? /part |
08:00:26 | markun | :) |
08:01:18 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: yeah...us moving the items should be enough pruning...i just got through one telling the other person that we dont yet have a gmini port =) |
08:01:34 | scorche | plus, there are many valid archos hardware issues that are older |
08:01:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
08:01:55 | Paul_The_Nerd | I much prefer human pruning. |
08:02:51 | aliask | The wiki is dead... |
08:03:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, and things for the Announcements forum are primarily stuff like the one I put there (Bagder's announcement of the 2.5 freeze) but as well things like when it was announced that the playback engine rewrite might cause all kinds of funky problems (there were actually three identical posts for that one, in hardware specific forums, back then) |
08:04:22 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Should something like http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4597.0 be moved to the Unsupported builds forum? |
08:05:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup. Change the title to "iPod Nano: JiC.420's build"... Always include the author's name in the title, as well as what they choose to call it if the build has an actual name. |
08:05:27 | sharpe | Right then. |
08:05:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | I feel like showing the author's name is the best way to differentiate what build it is. I'm tired of having 4 or 5 different "Experimental" builds |
08:05:41 | scorche | oo...we used to have an archos installer? |
08:08:01 | Paul_The_Nerd | There is one with 2.5 |
08:09:26 | scorche | as if it isnt easy enough to just unzip to root... |
08:09:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
08:09:50 | fatherfork | my random interjections have fizzled, and the bed summons. Good luck with the forums guys. |
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08:10:13 | sharpe | Hmm... 'Special' builds seem to be a recent fad. |
08:11:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | In the past there were a few people posting binaries with just their one patch to make it easier for people to try that patch. |
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08:12:47 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: might i suggest that for the *new* posts in the hardware, we make a rule to preface the topic name with applicable hardware devices? |
08:14:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: That is in fact planned. |
08:14:41 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's going to be a "GUIDELINES FOR POSTING IN THIS FORUM" sticky in each forum, applicable to all future posts, and I plan to be stricter about enforcing them after the change. |
08:14:59 | scorche | alright...just making sure =) |
08:15:04 | sharpe | I think the caps should be included in that sticky title. |
08:15:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | In fact the idea is for those, and a category FAQ, to be the only two stickies in each forum with maybe a few small exceptions. |
08:15:14 | Paul_The_Nerd | Oh, the caps are a definite. |
08:16:34 | sharpe | Ah, should the personalized bootloader post be considered an unsupported build? |
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08:17:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah |
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08:18:55 | sharpe | Ah, this one isn't the bootloader one. |
08:19:36 | lex | markun: hey, i bought a virtual server :) |
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08:22:15 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Would "All iPods: ..." suffice for the target portion of the title? Or list all the targets? |
08:22:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | I prefer a list |
08:22:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | Seeing as if we add 2nd gen iPods, the build may not be available for them immediately, or ever |
08:23:27 | sharpe | Want me to look through for each iPod this build was done for? |
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08:24:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | If you don't mind, that would be appreciated |
08:27:24 | sharpe | Eh, turns out only two for the 5g's are listed. Woo. |
08:30:36 | sharpe | Paul_The_Nerd: Would this naming convention be okay? 'Target(s): Author's "<NameOfBuild"> Build' |
08:34:13 | amiconn | Bagder: Something is wrong with the script that decides whether a commit triggers a build. Committing changes to /apps/plugin/lib only should still trigger a build, but it didn't... |
08:36:10 | amiconn | Odd. Now the build started - after the change appeared on the frontpage |
08:36:25 | sharpe | amiconn: It's trying to play tricks on you? |
08:36:31 | amiconn | hmpf |
08:37:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | sharpe: That sounds good |
08:37:29 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i don't suppose whatever forum system we use has some kind of sub-forum capability? boards "within" other boards.. |
08:37:35 | sharpe | Alright, since I already did it. |
08:37:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It actually does. |
08:37:54 | Paul_The_Nerd | I haven't tried it, but it claims to at least |
08:37:59 | Paul_The_Nerd | I saw an option for making child-boards |
08:38:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: might be something to think about for e.g. the Hardware boards. |
08:38:21 | sharpe | That sounds good... |
08:38:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | How would you recommend splitting it? Because it's not going to be for targets. |
08:39:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | Something like "ARM, SH1, M68K" or "SWCODEC, HWCODEC" or something? |
08:39:24 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: no, maybe more like.. hm.. there are several ways you could do it.. |
08:40:26 | midkay | like instead of one Hardware board.. have one sub-board for each of the four main brands' boards. |
08:40:27 | Paul_The_Nerd | Offer up suggestions, then. :) |
08:41:02 | midkay | just for things that seem very general and could use splitting up you could give the manufacturer boards their own subforum instead. |
08:41:25 | hotwire_ | does anyone have the current assignments for the jogwheels on the iriver lcd remotes? |
08:42:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The problem is, if I split it by manufacturer, once more anyone with an H300 will post questions randomly there, just because they don't think about it. |
08:42:12 | hotwire_ | ie which buttons are programmed as which BUTTON_RC_??? |
08:42:29 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: what do you mean? we already have said manufacturer boards. Archos boards, Iriver boards, Apple boards.. |
08:42:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Those are going away. |
08:42:50 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: .. well, what are they going to be replaced by? |
08:43:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: There are almost no real hardware specific questions, other than "What button do I press to do this?" which is in the manual anyway |
08:43:25 | scorche | midkay: look at the boards...you are a developer...you should be able to see them |
08:43:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | Questions that are hardware specific either relate to installation, which had manufacturer specific boards, or related to implementing said hardware, which goes in the general "Hardware" board. |
08:43:47 | midkay | scorche: of course i can see them. i see ARCHOS, IRIVER, APPLE BOARDS. can you NOT see them? |
08:43:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Notice the category name. "Installation" |
08:44:00 | scorche | midkay: i am referring to the new boards |
08:44:06 | midkay | scorche: those are new boards. |
08:44:18 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i understand.. so why are these boards even there if they'll be removed? |
08:44:28 | scorche | midkay: no they arent |
08:44:32 | scorche | those are going away |
08:44:42 | midkay | scorche: they ARE, but they are also NEW boards. |
08:44:49 | scorche | the installation only |
08:44:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: In the new boards section, they're in the 'Installation' category |
08:44:51 | midkay | i just learned that they're going away, can you read? |
08:44:52 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those are staying |
08:45:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Those are for questions regarding manufacturer-specific installations. |
08:45:05 | midkay | alright.. |
08:45:09 | midkay | understood. |
08:45:17 | markun | Paul_The_Nerd: Can you move the last post in "Where did the Fonts go?" to a new thread? |
08:45:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | But hardware-specific questions regarding say, implementing a remote on X, or getting the USB working on Y, just go in Hardware |
08:45:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: The "georgian" one? |
08:45:52 | markun | yes |
08:45:57 | markun | I was about to reply |
08:46:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Done |
08:46:08 | markun | thanks |
08:46:31 | midkay | alright, Paul_The_Nerd - but here's what i'm saying. since the Hardware board covers *every* target, it might be useful to split it up with Apple/Iriver/Archos subforums. |
08:46:41 | midkay | not create seperate boards for each, but *sub* forums, if this allows. |
08:46:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | Subforums work. |
08:47:10 | midkay | since they don't take up so much space and they allow using the "general" hardware board for non-target-specific questions. |
08:47:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | But I'd rather not name them after manufacturers, or it gives the idea that they're for any manufacturer-specific questions, so long as the person *thinks* that the question is unique to that hardware, rather than for questions about HARDWARE. |
08:47:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is my concern. |
08:47:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think ARM, M68K and SH1 makes it more clear that it's for hardware discussion. |
08:47:39 | sharpe | Why not "Apple Hardware?" |
08:47:47 | midkay | hm.. that makes it a little confusing though.. |
08:47:58 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i would think that that would confuse a lot of people |
08:47:59 | midkay | especially since that groups e.g. iaudio and iriver together.. right? |
08:48:05 | markun | Paul_The_Nerd: I think we should create a wiki page describing which ranges are supported by all the fonts |
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08:48:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: And also groups the H10 with iPods. |
08:48:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Which is perfectly fair, since it really is an iPod Mini. |
08:48:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or at least 70% of one |
08:48:53 | midkay | but iAudio and iRiver are entirely different. |
08:48:57 | Paul_The_Nerd | Not really |
08:49:02 | midkay | basically. they share the same .. chipset or whatever.. |
08:49:12 | midkay | that's about it.. |
08:49:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | There's a lot of similarity between it and the H300 |
08:49:26 | markun | Paul_The_Nerd: georgian font is now sticky :) |
08:49:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | Several of the other chips inside I believe are from the same lines. Like the PCF50606 or whatever. |
08:49:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | markun: I thought I unstickied it. |
08:49:47 | midkay | there might be between the iPod Color and H300 - even more than iaudio/iriver .. |
08:50:02 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The only similarity there is the screen resolution though. |
08:50:05 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: honestly i think it's confusing and rather unfairly/weirdly groups players.. |
08:50:17 | midkay | what's in common between iAudio X5 and iRiver players then? |
08:50:36 | sharpe | midkay: The i. |
08:50:43 | midkay | ha. haaaa... |
08:50:43 | markun | Paul_The_Nerd: would be nice to have a visual division between the sticky and other posts, like they have on misticriver now |
08:50:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, a lot of the necessary code for audio playback is similar, as well as assembly-optimization, I believe the battery fix for the H300 was implemented in almost exactly the same way on X5. |
08:50:58 | markun | anyway, have a nice weekend |
08:51:18 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i agree...i think that if we named the sub-fourms that, it would scare off a lot of people even if we were to define them in a sticky |
08:51:19 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: just results of the behind-the-scenes chipset or whatever.. and the X5 happened to get a similar fix, oooh :) |
08:51:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The idea is that the hardware forums are where people can talk about what's necessary to get hardware working. An X5 developer is more likely to be able to help an H300 developer than an Portalplayer developer, simply because the architecture itself for playback and stuff falls withing the same general areas. |
08:52:01 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: just my thoughts. chipset-naming scares people off and groups players unfairly.. if you're going to do that may as well just toss out the subforum idea. |
08:52:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The hardware forum is ABOUT behind the scenes chipsets though. *hardware* |
08:52:22 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: but if we group them more appropriately it won't MATTER that someone might be more "likely" to help another. |
08:52:49 | midkay | excuse the very rough analogy, but that's like saying if you're a mechanic you might be able to fix my bike. why not just call the bike repairman instead? |
08:52:56 | Bger | Paul_The_Nerd: the basic similarities between iAudio & iriver (apart from the 'i') are: coldfire v2 core, USB host (but different chips, no docs for iaudio's one), colour screen, iirc the radio chip is the same |
08:52:56 | Paul_The_Nerd | The hardware forums is for questions and discussions of very specific hardware. Like getting USB support working on the iPod by reverse engineering the low level code from the firmware. |
08:53:25 | sharpe | That's oddly specific. |
08:53:37 | midkay | sigh. do what you will.. |
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08:53:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I think you're missing the point of the hardware form. |
08:53:47 | Paul_The_Nerd | forum |
08:53:47 | Mikachu | dramatic |
08:53:52 | midkay | Mikachu: haha. |
08:53:57 | midkay | meant to alt-tab, and hit ctrl+w instead.. |
08:54:08 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: possibly. |
08:54:19 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: It's not for general discussion of specific players. It's for focused discussion on actual hardware problems relating to getting individual chips working and such. |
08:54:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: For example, talking about using an ipod, in general, wouldn't go there, but talking about working on a driver for the scrollwheel would. |
08:54:44 | midkay | .. okay, but then how many of those posts will we get? what's the point of the forum? maybe a once a month post about some chip? |
08:55:01 | midkay | how many new drivers need to be or will get written? is it even worth having it? |
08:55:07 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: As well, the slow codec speeds on the iPod go in "Playback" not "Hardware" since it's actually a playback engine issue, and not implementation of a certain chipset, that causes it. |
08:55:12 | scorche | midkay: it is also used for say, "my hard drive doesnt seem to be working" |
08:55:23 | midkay | scorche: Paul_The_Nerd just said that that is NOT the place for it. |
08:55:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | Or "How do I replace the batteries in a Recorder V2?" |
08:55:31 | scorche | see what i have already moved in there |
08:55:32 | midkay | .. the HARDWARE FORUM is for this? |
08:55:41 | midkay | how do i replace the batteries? |
08:55:43 | Paul_The_Nerd | The hardware forum is for hardware modification, and code to implement hardware. |
08:55:50 | midkay | <Paul_The_Nerd> Or "How do I replace the batteries in a Recorder V2?" |
08:55:54 | scorche | midkay: where did he say that it is not for this? |
08:55:56 | midkay | ^^ so that's a hardware post you're saying? |
08:56:03 | scorche | yes |
08:56:05 | midkay | scorche: could you shut your mouth for a moment? |
08:56:14 | Mikachu | it certainly isn't software |
08:56:14 | scorche | =| |
08:56:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: What about that isn't hardware? |
08:56:26 | midkay | okay, so please everyone just LISTEN... here's what you're suggesting. |
08:56:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's a forum for questions *about* hardware, not hardware-specific questions. |
08:57:40 | midkay | group the forums by chipset type (coldfire, ARM, whatever) because it's for that kind of discussion from people about "Writing drivers" or whatever.. yet we're more likely to get questions on replacing batteries or harddrives. |
08:57:55 | midkay | what sort of guy who walks in wondering how to replace batteries knows that "oh, this is a coldfire target, right!"? |
08:58:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: You *can* still post in "General Hardware" even if there are subforums. |
08:58:19 | midkay | the ratio of "i need help doing this to my player" to "let's write a driver for this chipset" will be about 100:1. |
08:58:31 | midkay | so why name things in favor of the "1"? |
08:58:37 | * | Paul_The_Nerd never suggested subforums. |
08:58:46 | midkay | we were just talking about those.. |
08:58:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | They were your idea. I only suggested names, thinking you saw for it a need that I didn't. |
08:59:04 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i still think that it is a bad idea to group them that way...it really would scare/confuse off many people |
08:59:08 | midkay | the need was playerspecific, and you thought architecture was more important. |
08:59:23 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i had already suggested player/mfr types. |
08:59:30 | Paul_The_Nerd | Give me a way to make them player specific where we won't get posts of people asking what button to do something then? |
08:59:45 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: "Archos hardware", "iriver hardware"? |
08:59:53 | Paul_The_Nerd | Still gonna get button questions. |
09:00 |
09:00:05 | Paul_The_Nerd | The buttons are hardware. |
09:00:06 | midkay | sticky: THIS IS NOT FOR USABILITY QUESTIONS? |
09:00:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think it'd be better just not to split, actually |
09:00:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | I doubt it'll be busy enough. |
09:00:22 | midkay | okay, so what stops them from wandering into hardware as-is to ask about buttons? |
09:00:37 | midkay | it'll be the same thing. |
09:00:43 | midkay | "how do the buttons work". |
09:00:48 | Paul_The_Nerd | If it's *just* called "Hardware" and there's "User Interface" right next to it, I'm hoping more of the button traffic will go there. |
09:00:48 | scorche | i think that it would be just fine to simply have the people posting preface it |
09:00:54 | midkay | or are "Archos hardware" and "Hardware" magically different somehow? |
09:01:35 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: maybe subforums don't work as i expect, but they'd go WITHIN Hardware in my thoughts instead of between it and "user interface". |
09:01:41 | midkay | so you'd only get them if you were in the Hardware boards. |
09:01:49 | midkay | and thus you wouldn't be asking button questons. |
09:02:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: I still don't think Hardware will be busy enough to need it. |
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09:02:22 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: maybe not, you're right. |
09:02:27 | midkay | so what about, say, User Interface? |
09:02:35 | midkay | that'll be busy as all hell. |
09:02:36 | Paul_The_Nerd | And manufacturer-specific categories is much worse of an idea than architecture based. |
09:03:12 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm hoping that UI won't end up too busy either, since I'm going to be harsher about locking posts where people don't read the manual. |
09:03:21 | midkay | so what *will* be busy? |
09:03:30 | scorche | ipod installation |
09:03:35 | scorche | etc |
09:03:58 | scorche | but, this way, the board will get much more even distribution |
09:04:04 | midkay | .. why? we'll get a lot more UI/engine/Doom questions than requests for assistance with simple instructions. |
09:04:23 | scorche | doom would go into plugins |
09:04:50 | midkay | right. so *that* would be busy, and i just ASKED what would be busy, and you said "ipod installation". |
09:04:58 | scorche | etc... |
09:05:16 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well the idea is for the boards to be significantly less busy, because where to look for answers will be more apparent. |
09:05:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | Right now fully half the answers to peoples' questions are in "General Discussion" but nobody looks there, instead sticking to H100 or whatever. |
09:05:49 | midkay | that's like saying "what are some major species on the planet?" and getting a response of "maggots, etc" |
09:05:59 | scorche | ok...now we are just arguing for the benefit of simply doing it >_> |
09:06:10 | Paul_The_Nerd | The idea is to entirely strip the idea of asking questions about specific players. |
09:06:20 | Paul_The_Nerd | Since 90% of the software is the same on each player, except maybe keymappings. |
09:06:25 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: alright, i'll wait it out and see what you're up to.. we're not on the same page, i don't think we're even in the same book.. |
09:06:28 | Paul_The_Nerd | And the only significant difference is the install process. |
09:06:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: The proposal has been in the wiki and the forum for months... |
09:07:14 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: it changes and i haven't bothered to read it, and now that it's taking shape i'm not really at liberty to say anything because it's "work in progress".. |
09:07:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | It hasn't changed for at least a month. =/ |
09:07:36 | midkay | it sounds like you've got things under control so i'd be glad to leave it at that. |
09:08:04 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: there are many ways of doing things, i can suggest one and you can suggest another.. it's just frustrating to even consider all the possibilities and how they tie together.. |
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09:08:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | But the whole idea of the revamp was to move away from "iPod with Rockbox" and "H100 with Rockbox" and go to "Rockbox, which runs on several players" |
09:08:34 | Paul_The_Nerd | As it is, too many have the impression that it's actually different on each one. |
09:09:00 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: just consider that i ask these questions about a bunch of boards and then you have to go into this long explanation about what they are and aren't for that i wasn't aware of.. make sure it ends up quite self-explanatory. |
09:09:11 | midkay | in your mind it might work out well but everybody else needs to understand the structure the same. |
09:09:26 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yeah. I'm aware a LOT of users won't understand the new structure. |
09:09:39 | scorche | midkay: there will be stickys in each forum as well to help the transition |
09:09:42 | midkay | just make sure everything is very aptly named and laid out.. |
09:09:46 | Paul_The_Nerd | I'm actually going to sticky posts in each forum with a capslocked title explaining what sort of posts belong there, and why. |
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09:09:53 | midkay | scorche: gosh, thanks for pointing out the absolutely obscure. |
09:10:18 | midkay | there're always stickies and i think they get read by about 5% of users, once.. if fully... |
09:10:28 | scorche | midkay: then, Paul_The_Nerd does his usual and clarifies me =) |
09:10:31 | midkay | if someone has a problem he darts into the first board and goes "help my archos is doing this" |
09:11:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Yep. And I'm hoping since there's not going to be any board with "Archos" in the name except "Installation on Archos" that maybe he'll go into "Playback" if what it's doing isn't playing music. |
09:11:07 | midkay | nobody feels like researching how things should work and how the structure will help them find their answer.. they want help tailored to their exact description. |
09:11:18 | sharpe | Human nature? |
09:11:19 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: makes sense. |
09:11:25 | midkay | sharpe: um, yes? |
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09:11:49 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: That's the intent anyway. Because it's very very rare a playback issue will affect exactly one target. |
09:12:00 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i understand. |
09:12:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Anyway, sorry for the argument. Hopefully this all works out. |
09:12:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | It may not be smooth, but I think it'll end up with more constructive forums in the long term. |
09:12:34 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: don't get me wrong - you're doing quite well, and i see how this is improving. :) i'm just having trouble commenting i guess since it's kind of rounding out as we speak. |
09:13:15 | Paul_The_Nerd | midkay: Well, things can also be tweaked later, if a forum ends up particularly busy or whatnot. |
09:13:19 | midkay | not that you're doing it wrong at all, just suggestions "for the end" regardless of the current situation: think about it from a retard's view and make sure everything is very self-explanatory and intuitive, all that :) |
09:13:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yeah. That's why I wanted to avoid using manufacturer names. A skimming retard may just see those and hop to them. ;) |
09:13:50 | Paul_The_Nerd | Though with subforums, they don't show up on the front page, so that would help |
09:13:59 | sharpe | "I like apples... I'll post here." |
09:14:13 | Paul_The_Nerd | But manufacturers are particularly bad, since the H100/H300, the iFP 799, and the H10 are three VERY different categories of devices. |
09:14:23 | Paul_The_Nerd | The iFP 799 not actually belonging with any of our current targets. |
09:14:58 | midkay | Paul_The_Nerd: i understand. kudos on "installation on archos" for example.. |
09:15:15 | midkay | when the target name is in the middle of forum description, that works out well. :) |
09:15:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's just named Archos for now, but the names and descriptions there aren't final yet. |
09:15:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | Like all those wonderful typos that were spotted. ;) |
09:15:49 | midkay | yeah, it's just more likely people will post fewer dumb questions there than if you named the *category* "Installation" and the board itself "Archos". |
09:15:51 | midkay | haha. :) |
09:16:03 | midkay | keep things inline, etc.. |
09:16:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | I almost named the board "Experimental Builds" but then I realized that "Unsupported" makes the intent 100% clear. |
09:17:22 | midkay | exactly. :) |
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09:17:40 | Paul_The_Nerd | I think careful naming, and the short descriptions beneath the name, will be 90% of what will make or break the new layout |
09:18:07 | sebastianbf | hello every1 |
09:18:22 | sebastianbf | i need some help with the hardware eq settings on ipod 5g |
09:18:25 | sebastianbf | please |
09:19:09 | Paul_The_Nerd | What problem are you having? |
09:19:09 | linuxstb_ | What's the problem? |
09:20:25 | hotwire_ | I finally got some understanding on which remote is which (there is a pretty useful post I found in the forum with images). However the H300 and H100 sims are both using the H100 remote, but there is code to in theory allow you to switch the remote in use by pressing 't'... but if we're forcing the available remote is a toggle really necessary? |
09:20:51 | hotwire_ | unless there is a way to switch the remote on display, which is beyond me. |
09:21:04 | hotwire_ | way beyond my abilities at this point, rather |
09:21:27 | sebastianbf | sorry for the delay |
09:21:35 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: so you are creating the "child boards"? |
09:21:39 | sebastianbf | th ething is that i changed sthe values of it |
09:21:42 | Paul_The_Nerd | scorche: Not at this time |
09:21:44 | daurn|laptop | hey |
09:21:45 | sebastianbf | and now im getting some distorsion |
09:21:47 | daurn|laptop | any devs here? |
09:21:48 | linuxstb_ | Paul_The_Nerd: Do you own an iFP-799? If so, have you tried Rockbox on it? |
09:21:51 | Paul_The_Nerd | The one that's there was an experiment to see what it looked like in display |
09:21:52 | daurn|laptop | ah, linuxstb |
09:21:53 | scorche | Paul_The_Nerd: i just noticed "ARM" |
09:21:56 | scorche | ah |
09:21:56 | sebastianbf | so i need the original values pplease |
09:22:04 | sebastianbf | so i can restore mine |
09:22:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | linuxstb_: Unfortunately the 799 is the 1gb model, unsupported as of yet. At least, unable to access the disk. Not a major problem, really, since it'll boot then not read any more files, but I was waiting/hoping for at least a proper bootloader |
09:22:36 | linuxstb_ | sebastianbf: 0dB means "no change" for each of the bands. |
09:22:39 | Paul_The_Nerd | rockbox.wma just seems weird. |
09:22:51 | sebastianbf | oh ok thanks |
09:22:57 | sebastianbf | i will try that now |
09:23:25 | linuxstb_ | Disabling the hardware EQ simply sets all the gains to 0dB. Enabling it will set the gains to your settings. |
09:23:54 | sebastianbf | so setting thevalues to 0db is like turning it off |
09:24:04 | linuxstb_ | Yes - exactly the same. |
09:24:31 | sebastianbf | can anyone explain me what are those "low shell filter" and all that stuff please? |
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09:25:23 | linuxstb_ | low shelf filter is basically a bass control. High shelf is treble. The other three bands are for the frequencies inbetween. |
09:25:59 | sebastianbf | ohhh great |
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09:26:23 | daurn|laptop | linuxstb: get the pm? |
09:26:32 | daurn|laptop | o.o |
09:28:13 | daurn|laptop | where is button base addresses defined |
09:28:29 | daurn|laptop | s/addresses/address |
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09:29:44 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean by "button base addresses". |
09:30:07 | daurn|laptop | well, the button hardware addresses, they have a base, and an offset |
09:30:07 | linuxstb | All the button drivers are different. |
09:30:18 | daurn|laptop | where is the base defined (on a per target basis) |
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09:30:36 | linuxstb | daurn|laptop: Not every button driver is like that. |
09:31:46 | linuxstb | You just write your own button driver - so if your driver needs a base and offset, you define them within your button-target.c file. |
09:32:02 | daurn|laptop | ?? |
09:32:10 | daurn|laptop | all devices should have them... |
09:33:01 | linuxstb | I'm not sure they do. But even if they do, they should be defined in your button driver .c file - they're not needed outside that file. |
09:33:12 | daurn|laptop | i know... |
09:33:22 | daurn|laptop | but they're not |
09:34:33 | linuxstb | What's the problem with just putting them in _your_ button driver .c file? |
09:34:51 | daurn|laptop | cause i'm pretty sure they will be defined somewhere else |
09:35:02 | daurn|laptop | - with the rest of them... |
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09:36:09 | linuxstb | You can't find them because they don't exist. Unless you're talking about the button codes used by Rockbox (nothing to do with the hardware), and those are in firmware/export/button.h |
09:36:53 | daurn|laptop | ok..... |
09:36:59 | daurn|laptop | i'll leave that topic for a bit |
09:37:16 | daurn|laptop | could you explain how to structure button_read_device? |
09:39:52 | linuxstb | I've never touched the button drivers before, but looking at button-x5.c, it just seems to return a value indicating which buttons are currently pressed. How you write it will depend on your button hardware. |
09:40:38 | daurn|laptop | what is the whole bitwise shift left thing doing? |
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09:41:44 | linuxstb | What bitwise shift left? |
09:42:03 | daurn|laptop | if (buttons & (1 << 0)) |
09:42:03 | daurn|laptop | btn |= BUTTON_ON; |
09:42:03 | daurn|laptop | if (buttons & (1 << 1)) |
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09:42:03 | daurn|laptop | btn |= BUTTON_OFF; |
09:42:04 | daurn|laptop | etc |
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09:42:05 | daurn|laptop | etc |
09:42:19 | linuxstb | In which driver? |
09:42:30 | daurn|laptop | its in button_read_device |
09:42:39 | linuxstb | There are lots of button_read_device() functions... |
09:42:45 | linuxstb | (one for each target) |
09:43:09 | daurn|laptop | i copied mine out of gigabeat |
09:43:13 | daurn|laptop | but all are much the same |
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09:44:18 | linuxstb | I'm guessing buttons will be a variable read from the hardware somewhere, and (buttons & (1 << 1)) checks if a certain bit in that variable is set. |
09:44:34 | linuxstb | But your button driver may be completely different. |
09:44:51 | daurn|laptop | i know the hardware addresses of my button |
09:44:55 | daurn|laptop | they are true if pressed |
09:45:00 | daurn|laptop | false if not |
09:45:03 | daurn|laptop | - its not THAT hard |
09:45:03 | daurn|laptop | :S |
09:47:28 | linuxstb | Then your button_read_device() function needs to read those hardware addresses, and create a single btn variable indicating which buttons are pressed or not. |
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10:05:27 | dongs | friendly advice to 'freenode' users: when you're on your laptop, unless another copy of you is in the channel with a different nick, please make sure to not let everyone know you're on a laptop. we realize this behaviour is only practiced on freenode, but we ask that users stop doing that. |
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10:05:58 | * | Bger apologises if brakes some button combos ... |
10:06:16 | scorche | o_O |
10:06:41 | Bger | i mean on iriver |
10:07:06 | scorche | Bger: it wasnt to you |
10:08:26 | Bger | someone here with iriver h100 remote ? |
10:09:22 | Paul_The_Nerd | We're gonna need two different H10 sims, at least. |
10:09:32 | Paul_The_Nerd | Apparently the 20gig has a different size screen than the 5/6 models. |
10:10:32 | * | Bger thinks that h10 models are very strange and unclear ... |
10:11:08 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yes. |
10:11:17 | Paul_The_Nerd | And that's even if you manage to ignore the H10jr |
10:11:52 | Bger | yep |
10:12:04 | Bger | Paul_The_Nerd: do u have h100 rmeote / |
10:12:10 | linuxstb | It will just be like the ipods - multiple build targets, but sharing 99% of the same code. |
10:12:18 | Paul_The_Nerd | Bger: Mine's broken. |
10:12:28 | Bger | sorry :( |
10:12:33 | Paul_The_Nerd | It's the third one I've broken |
10:12:37 | Paul_The_Nerd | I have very bad luck with them |
10:12:40 | Bger | wow |
10:12:50 | Bger | the cable or ? |
10:13:29 | Paul_The_Nerd | Yup |
10:13:31 | Paul_The_Nerd | The cable |
10:14:03 | Bger | ah |
10:14:06 | Bger | that's correctable ... |
10:14:06 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, in one case a friend stepped on it, and in two the cable got caught in things. |
10:14:34 | Bger | at least if it is broken near the remote, not the connector |
10:14:58 | Paul_The_Nerd | I don't really know where it's broken. There's no visible distress. |
10:15:04 | Paul_The_Nerd | Well, I mean, outside of the crushed one. |
10:15:53 | Bger | yep:( |
10:15:58 | * | Paul_The_Nerd doesn't really need one anyway. |
10:22:14 | hotwire_ | since we're talking about the remotes... |
10:22:39 | Bger | hotwire_: yeah ? |
10:23:20 | hotwire_ | since i'm trying to implement support for the remotes in the UISim, are we gonna leave it as the H100 LCD remote on the UISim of both the h100 and h300? |
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10:23:35 | Bger | it seems that the build system isn't working again :( |
10:25:39 | hotwire_ | does that have to do with what i'm working on? |
10:26:06 | Bger | haha no |
10:26:13 | hotwire_ | Since the BMP's feature the H100 remote, should i just program for the H100 LCD remote only? |
10:26:14 | Bger | just see the cvs build table |
10:26:20 | linuxstb | Bger: You should ping Bagder or LinusN... |
10:26:37 | Bger | Bagder |
10:27:16 | hotwire_ | although the code is already in the simulator button.c to allow a switching of remote |
10:29:14 | hotwire_ | also, I'd love to have an index of what each button on the remote is set to do, although someone sent me the output codes from the h300 lcd remote i can cross reference with the source i think |
10:31:21 | hotwire_ | i presume from your silence that you have no idea Bger? |
10:34:51 | hotwire_ | anybody? |
10:35:13 | * | hotwire_ can hear a pin drop |
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10:36:27 | JdGordon | hey all |
10:36:39 | midkay | Jonathan! |
10:36:51 | JdGordon | uh oh... am i in trouble?? |
10:36:59 | JdGordon | i only get my full anem when i am :'( |
10:37:30 | midkay | :D:DD:D:D:D |
10:37:37 | dstrek | fucking iriver e10 |
10:37:42 | dstrek | stupid database crap |
10:38:02 | dstrek | need to start a rockbox project for it |
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10:38:40 | hotwire_ | amiconn: are you around paying attention at the current moment? |
10:43:34 | JdGordon | Bg3r: you around? |
10:44:45 | JdGordon | .. have builds been stuck for 2 hours? or is my world clock wrong? |
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10:47:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, they're stuck... |
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10:47:34 | JdGordon | righto |
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10:52:46 | linuxstb | theli_ua: I've just tried your Spectrum emulator, but there are a lot of files missing in the latest versions of your patches, so it doesn't compile... e.g. spconf.c, all the z80* files. Can you upload a new patch? |
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10:54:12 | hotwire_ | well, with lack of info, i'm gonna crash for the night |
10:54:15 | hotwire_ | night |
10:57:34 | JdGordon | holy crap the iriver keymap file looks horrible now :p |
10:58:59 | theli_ua | linuxstb, strange ... i'll upload it now |
10:59:03 | JdGordon | right.. we need a fairly competant hacker to break into rockbox.haxx.se and unfreeze he builds :p |
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11:04:45 | theli_ua | linuxstb, i've uploaded ... |
11:05:05 | Bger | JdGordon: yep |
11:05:08 | Bger | here |
11:05:18 | JdGordon | hey, i was going to ask if you got the remote stuff done |
11:05:19 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Compiling now - it looks better... |
11:05:25 | JdGordon | but then i saw the cvs builds page... |
11:05:26 | Bger | and yes, the builds are stuck |
11:05:37 | JdGordon | you broke it!!! you bully! |
11:05:39 | Bger | JdGordon: there is more work |
11:05:45 | Bger | :'( |
11:05:50 | theli_ua | linuxstb, its cvsdo behaves strange for me :( |
11:05:54 | Bger | i mean it needs more work |
11:06:08 | JdGordon | ? |
11:06:26 | Bger | no non-lcd-specific mappings |
11:06:36 | JdGordon | ok |
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11:08:25 | JdGordon | ok, im sick of bloody ubuntu... can anyone suggest a fairly good linux distor which i can get up and runnig in <1hr? |
11:08:50 | linuxstb | Ubuntu :) |
11:08:55 | JdGordon | :'( |
11:09:08 | scorche | linuxstb: haha...beat me to it |
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11:09:21 | theli_ua | JdGordon, SLED maybe? |
11:09:35 | linuxstb | What's the problem? Seriously, the best idea is probably to install Ubuntu again from scratch - using what you've learnt already to help with the install. |
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11:10:37 | JdGordon | i didnt stuff up the install tho, Im just sick of its stupid dependancy problems (i cant install qt3 dev for exmaple) and sdl is broken, and other annoyanceds |
11:11:07 | linuxstb | Try choosing a different mirror - maybe you've chosen one which isn't being updated properly. |
11:11:13 | midkay | vmware. |
11:11:26 | * | JdGordon converted from windows.. not going back |
11:11:31 | midkay | haha. |
11:11:33 | scorche | midkay: but what distro inside it? ;) |
11:11:50 | midkay | scorche: but whatever he wants! |
11:12:02 | scorche | but he is asking us! |
11:12:31 | scorche | vmware isnt a distro! =D |
11:12:39 | * | theli_ua likes gentoo |
11:12:45 | scorche | ick |
11:12:59 | JdGordon | theli_ua: sled? as in pay for linux?? |
11:13:11 | JdGordon | Free Download ISO, 60-day evaluation |
11:13:37 | theli_ua | JdGordon, you should pay only if you want updates/support |
11:13:46 | linuxstb | theli_ua: I've just tried it on my ipod 5g - the colours are completely wrong.... Also, what keys should I map for Chuckie Egg? |
11:13:49 | JdGordon | has anyone polayed with openSUSE? |
11:14:08 | scorche | yes...and even more ick =P |
11:14:14 | theli_ua | linuxstb, they are mapper by default for Chuckies.. just turn off mapping to kempston |
11:14:31 | linuxstb | theli_ua: I found the "invert colours" option which fixed the colours - it was set to "yes" by default. |
11:14:34 | theli_ua | linuxstb, can you send me screen dump? |
11:14:48 | * | scorche loves how he magically dangles the reasons why on the tips of his fingers |
11:14:51 | linuxstb | I'm guessing that option only really makes sense on the greyscale devices? |
11:14:56 | theli_ua | linuxstb, or .. yeah .. that makes them *completely* wrong :D |
11:15:23 | theli_ua | linuxstb, yes.. but maybe someone want's this in color :) |
11:15:35 | theli_ua | linuxstb, who is the framerate on 5g? |
11:15:37 | linuxstb | But it seems fast - 24.38/25fps on my 5g. |
11:15:39 | theli_ua | *how |
11:15:46 | theli_ua | oohh.... hice |
11:15:49 | theli_ua | *nice |
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11:16:15 | theli_ua | linuxstb, does it *feels* realtime ? |
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11:17:20 | JdGordon | .. maybe ill just go fedora.. |
11:17:46 | theli_ua | JdGordon, Gen-too Gen-too ..... :D |
11:17:57 | JdGordon | 2day+ install... |
11:18:13 | theli_ua | JdGordon, hm ... maybe about 1-2hours |
11:18:13 | JdGordon | .. if i could get it going in under an hour i would |
11:18:24 | linuxstb | theli_ua: It feels fine. I can't get the up/down buttons to work though. |
11:18:29 | JdGordon | got a guide which does it in 2 hours? |
11:18:46 | JdGordon | bearing in mind, my computer is a P$ celereon 2.4ghz |
11:18:55 | scorche | JdGordon: i would say slack, but that wouldnt take an hour =P |
11:19:20 | theli_ua | linuxstb, try to hold up/down and pass near stairs .... you just need to get right into them .... |
11:19:24 | linuxstb | theli_ua: You should also disable the backlight timeout - just look at other plugins like mpegplayer to see how to do it. |
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11:20:15 | theli_ua | JdGordon, you don't need to compile the whole stuff from scratch ... follow the gentoo handbook and install from stage3 |
11:20:59 | pepie34 | JdGordon did you try ubuntu? |
11:21:15 | JdGordon | pepie34: im runing ubuntu atm, and im sick of it |
11:21:16 | pepie34 | and then apt-build |
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11:21:27 | scorche | imo, gentoo is only good is you are testing bleeding edge/unstable stuff....it annoys me for regular use |
11:21:37 | linuxstb | theli_ua: I see the problem - you can't use the scroll events with button_status(). They should be BUTTON_MENU for up, and BUTTON_PLAY for down. |
11:21:42 | pepie34 | if you want optimised things |
11:21:48 | pepie34 | i agree with scorche |
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11:23:53 | theli_ua | scorche, i use it as my desktop for long and haven't found any uncinviniences |
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11:24:38 | * | scorche shrugs |
11:24:50 | scorche | people have different taste |
11:24:51 | theli_ua | linuxstb, BUTTON_MENU *is* used for up and BUTTON_PLAY *is* used for down ... i can't see the problem ... i can play chuckie fine on my mini |
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11:26:21 | scorche | whenever i am in gentoo, i always end up re-compiling the kernel way too much |
11:26:33 | scorche | (than i feel i should) |
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11:27:24 | theli_ua | scorche, why? i sometimes compile it when um updating it .... (not for any tiny kernel update) |
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11:29:51 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Ah, I was confusing the keys in the virtual keyboard with the main game. I'll try deleting zxbox.cfg and starting again. |
11:30:57 | theli_ua | linuxstb, keys in the virtual keyboard are taken from kbd_input ... well, actuall used vkeyboard is slightly vut down kbd_input :) |
11:31:08 | theli_ua | s/vut/cut |
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11:32:55 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Yes, it's working fine - I had just messed up the .cfg file. |
11:34:16 | theli_ua | you could just remap the keys ... chuckie uses 2/w as up/down, 9/0 for l/r and z for jump |
11:34:51 | pepie34 | linuxstb do you work on ipodlinux? |
11:35:03 | linuxstb | theli_ua: I haven't looked at the code yet, but from a user's point of view, it seems ready to commit. |
11:35:08 | linuxstb | pepie34: No. |
11:35:11 | pepie34 | ok |
11:35:43 | scorche | theli_ua: well, now i only use it when the situation calls for it (which usually requires compiling for testing certain apps)...but for an example (just one thing that i pulled off the top of my head), recently, a friend of mine had gentoo installed on his laptop...to be able to mount my archos (pre 2.0 v1), i had to recompile the kernel, then i had to recompile it yet again to get wifi working...there is also the "fanboys" that |
11:35:43 | scorche | ruin the image of gentoo, but i dont hold it against them too much ;) |
11:35:49 | theli_ua | linuxstb, well... i;m trying to implement sound output now .... but i feel that would doubtly come from my side :( |
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11:37:00 | theli_ua | scorche, usually i leave some stuff/drivers which i feel i may need sometime as modules and insert them when needed |
11:37:16 | * | linuxstb hasn't compiled a kernel for about 3 years... |
11:37:40 | scorche | linuxstb: you obviously dont use gentoo regularly (not that i do) =P |
11:37:50 | linuxstb | No, I'm a Debian man... |
11:37:59 | scorche | as am i mostly |
11:38:04 | scorche | debian and slack for me |
11:38:54 | scorche | also, i hate how it puts out the image of "getting down and dirty", when what usually ends up happening with most people, is they just emerge everything |
11:38:58 | pepie34 | ubuntu and debian |
11:39:19 | scorche | ubuntu is debian based, so i include that as debian ;) |
11:39:38 | linuxstb | I generally just install once when I buy a new PC (making sure that PC has very generic components), and forget about it. |
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11:40:11 | scorche | as do i mostly |
11:40:19 | theli_ua | scorche, i just love portage - adding/managing my own packages was never easier for me ... |
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11:41:01 | scorche | theli_ua: i wasnt talking about how great it is...just that they promote the image of...well, you can read above =P |
11:41:09 | theli_ua | :) |
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11:42:28 | scorche | i love how nicely slack lets this system run =D (this is a pentium mmx @ 133) |
11:43:09 | linuxstb | theli_ua: A database of keymappings would be nice... |
11:43:44 | theli_ua | linuxstb, yeah i've already though about adding a way to change to some general keymappings .... like qaop or so ... |
11:44:44 | theli_ua | linuxstb, i can add this in some minutes ... but aren't you saying about adding a database where user can define and store his own keymaps? |
11:45:26 | theli_ua | also zxbox uses only 5 buttons on each target .... |
11:45:27 | linuxstb | Not really - more something we can update in CVS. |
11:45:58 | theli_ua | linuxstb... do you own a nano? |
11:46:02 | linuxstb | No. |
11:46:19 | linuxstb | I'm trying it now on my Photo (220x176 LCD) - what's the native Spectrum resolution? |
11:46:30 | theli_ua | 256x192 |
11:46:51 | linuxstb | How do you scale it? |
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11:47:21 | theli_ua | hm ... just skip certain lines/columns ... how does it looks on photo? :) |
11:47:32 | linuxstb | It looks fine. |
11:47:37 | theli_ua | and speed? |
11:47:45 | linuxstb | Currently 22.66 |
11:48:45 | theli_ua | linuxstb, btw i took fps calculation algo from pacbox but that doesnt look nice to me ... |
11:49:54 | linuxstb | No, it seems very odd... |
11:50:40 | theli_ua | do you calculate fps in mpegplayer in similar way? |
11:52:18 | linuxstb | I think so - check video_out_rockbox.c |
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11:53:40 | theli_ua | it differs ... maybe i'll try that |
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11:58:24 | linuxstb | theli_ua: A "reset" option would also be useful - that would need to reload the snapshot from disk (unless you have enough RAM to buffer a copy). |
11:59:16 | theli_ua | linuxstb, that would work with snapshots only (not with tapes) |
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12:00:00 | linuxstb | How does tape loading work? |
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12:00:24 | theli_ua | had you any experience with spectrums? |
12:00:51 | linuxstb | Vaguely - do you have to manually enter "load" ? |
12:03:13 | * | scorche spies Bagder awake in the forums |
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12:03:23 | Bagder | yah |
12:04:05 | scorche | <Bger> it seems that the build system isn't working again :( |
12:04:12 | scorche | if you havent seen the logs/noticed |
12:04:15 | Bagder | ah |
12:04:55 | Bagder | actually that was useful ;-) |
12:05:11 | Bagder | I have some basic scripts prepared for autodetection of this situation |
12:05:19 | Bagder | and it seems they work |
12:05:47 | scorche | are these scripts named "IRC devs"? |
12:06:19 | theli_ua | linuxstb, yes in original spectrum you type 'load ""' and press play on tape recorder |
12:06:53 | linuxstb | So a reset would just take you back to that screen? |
12:07:13 | theli_ua | linuxstb, here when loading tape zxbox just loads built-in snapshot taken from state where you already typed load "" and than plays tape |
12:07:57 | theli_ua | well... reset would work but i need to look into it .... |
12:08:47 | theli_ua | and ... actually working with big games like Rainbow Islands which need to load each level is rather painfull in zxbox :) ... |
12:10:06 | JdGordon | 6 more builds and its goign to be completly green again :'( how boring :p |
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12:18:02 | JdGordon | does anyone think it would be good to tell the action code to stop after the current list and not check the standard list like it does now? |
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12:18:24 | JdGordon | the difference being it would be faster to detect ACTION_UNKNOWN |
12:20:06 | midkay | ...... huh? stop after the current list and not check the standard list? what lists? |
12:20:27 | JdGordon | action code.. |
12:20:51 | * | midkay nods slowly in a "what the hell are you talking about never mind whatever you want" way. |
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12:25:09 | Bagder | no more gaps in the table when I've killed a hanging round |
12:25:33 | Bagder | plus, it should now force a re-build when a round is killed |
12:26:11 | linuxstb | I can see you like a nice clean build table... |
12:27:16 | scorche | a few more builds, and hopefully it will be nothing but green! |
12:27:33 | Bagder | the blame score is finally working again! |
12:27:40 | Bagder | :-) |
12:29:05 | A_M | Hey guys, I've noticed some major inconsistencies in the menu when it comes to how values and units are displayed. For settings defined with set_int it's always "[value] [unit]" but a lot of settings define their own options in a list, and in these cases values are often described with "[value][unit]" without space? |
12:29:20 | A_M | So which do we want, spaces or no space? 100ms or 100 ms? |
12:30:14 | JdGordon | <Bagder> the blame score is finally working again! <- just for laughs, can the record holder be meniotned on the cvs page? :D |
12:30:29 | midkay | haha. let's have a high score table! |
12:30:40 | Bagder | we need a high score wiki page |
12:30:42 | midkay | like the 5 top scores, who did it, and what commit on what date :) |
12:30:57 | midkay | baaah. let people have a good laugh when they go to the CVS builds page :) |
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12:32:36 | linuxstb | Bagder: You mean to manually update? |
12:32:41 | Bagder | yes |
12:32:53 | Bagder | I don't feel like working on making it automatic |
12:33:27 | linuxstb | I agree - too many things to account for. |
12:33:27 | JdGordon | but that means that if/when someone really fouls up they can do another 15 quick commits and no one will ever know... |
12:33:40 | midkay | fouls up. haha. |
12:33:44 | midkay | wait so.. |
12:33:54 | midkay | someone gets an error and suddenly they want to cover it up, why? :) |
12:34:02 | midkay | and wouldn't 15 commits be rather... obvious? :) |
12:34:59 | * | JdGordon was obviously being silly :p |
12:35:35 | scorche | k/msg midkay <midkay> penis wars. PENIS WARS. <~~~~wtf are you talking about? |
12:35:39 | scorche | errr...om... |
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12:35:41 | scorche | ignore that |
12:37:12 | midkay | awkward silence.. :o |
12:37:30 | qwm | very very awkward. |
12:38:10 | qwm | vagina wars. VAGINA WARS! |
12:38:19 | qwm | (way better than penis wars, imho.) |
12:38:33 | qwm | vagina warts! :o |
12:40:29 | scorche | at least mine was an accident.... |
12:41:06 | qwm | your penis warts? |
12:41:08 | qwm | :) |
12:41:09 | qwm | well. |
12:41:12 | qwm | don't have unsafe sex. |
12:41:20 | scorche | ... |
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12:41:33 | * | scorche coughs suggestively and then leaves for bed |
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12:41:47 | qwm | sleep well. :) |
12:41:57 | qwm | don't forget to put that lotion on your penis. |
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12:42:43 | JdGordon | why oh why have he not been banned/kicked yet?? |
12:42:53 | midkay | who? |
12:42:57 | scorche | JdGordon: same goes for dongs =P |
12:43:02 | midkay | dongs?! |
12:43:06 | qwm | well. |
12:43:14 | qwm | dongs doesn't appreciate rockbox as much as i do. |
12:43:17 | midkay | JdGordon: leave qwm alone. |
12:43:25 | qwm | i love it and i use it everyday. :o |
12:43:27 | scorche | JdGordon: that is why ;0 |
12:43:33 | JdGordon | haha |
12:43:43 | qwm | :o |
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12:45:03 | theli_ua | linuxstb, so what do you think about zxbox? :) |
12:45:43 | linuxstb | It's cool, but it makes me realise the Spectrum was one of the worst 8-bit machines... The colour clashing is awful. |
12:46:20 | theli_ua | :) |
12:46:50 | theli_ua | do you think amiga emulation would run nice? :) |
12:46:56 | linuxstb | If you can clean up the two or three warnings that remain, and confirm it compiles cleanly for all targets, we can probably commit it. |
12:47:09 | linuxstb | I think the Amiga might be a bit much for our targets... |
12:47:22 | theli_ua | yeah.. that what i think too |
12:47:40 | linuxstb | Other 8-bit machines like the C64 should work - we need to hassle sharpe to finish his emulator... |
12:48:39 | theli_ua | the remaining warnings are: one left by me (i was not sure if timing should be implemented) and one is about pointer type mismatch ... i can clean that |
12:48:52 | theli_ua | sharpe is working on c64 emulator? |
12:49:06 | linuxstb | He was working on one, but I think he's abandoned it. |
12:49:30 | theli_ua | what was the resolution of c64? |
12:49:57 | linuxstb | Can't remember... I think he was working on an ipod 5g, and it was smaller than that. |
12:50:47 | theli_ua | actually i thought if it would be somewhat usable on my 138x110 i can look into porting one emulator .... |
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12:50:55 | theli_ua | or just help sharpe with it |
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12:52:10 | theli_ua | btw, does anyone here own old archos dap and can test zxbox patch? |
12:53:23 | linuxstb | Google tells me the C64 was 320x200 |
12:53:42 | linuxstb | (16 colours) |
12:54:32 | theli_ua | yeah i've found that too .. heh ... my mini is too mini for this |
12:54:35 | theli_ua | :( |
12:55:58 | theli_ua | anyone knows something to emulate what would be usable after scalnig to 138x110? :) |
12:56:05 | theli_ua | *scaling |
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13:02:02 | linuxstb | theli_ua: The Atari 2600 has been mentioned as something to port - it's 192x160, so would even work nicely on the 220x176 LCDs. |
13:02:59 | theli_ua | linuxstb, can you look at apps/plugins/zxbox.c and zxboxs makefile cause i'm not sure about overlay stuff ... |
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13:11:09 | * | JdGordon cannot do this without the ui sim :'( |
13:11:16 | JdGordon | stupid bloody ubuntu and sdl |
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13:14:48 | JdGordon | http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sdl+%22fatal%3A+No+I%2FO+port+permissions%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial :'( |
13:15:49 | theli_ua | JdGordon, what's the problem you get? |
13:16:12 | JdGordon | sdl says fatal: No I/O port permissions when i try runing rockboxui |
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13:16:32 | JdGordon | if i run it as sudo the screen goes fully black with the uisim garbled at the top of the screen |
13:16:53 | theli_ua | other sdl apps work fine i assume? |
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13:16:59 | JdGordon | havnt tested any |
13:17:04 | JdGordon | dont have any |
13:18:18 | crwl | you had that strange problem of sdl not supporting x11 output? |
13:18:25 | JdGordon | yes |
13:19:16 | crwl | do you have the package libsdl1.2debian installed? |
13:19:27 | JdGordon | yes |
13:20:00 | crwl | what about libsdl1.2debian-alsa :) |
13:20:08 | JdGordon | yep |
13:20:44 | JdGordon | libsdl1.2-dev wont install so i had to install the dev stuff manualy from source |
13:20:49 | JdGordon | could that be the problem? |
13:21:00 | crwl | dunno, could |
13:21:08 | aliask | Mixture of binary/source? |
13:21:22 | JdGordon | yes, coz ubuntu sux monkey balls |
13:21:53 | aliask | Trid compiling all from source? |
13:22:02 | aliask | s/trid/tried |
13:22:07 | JdGordon | ye, i guss ill try that |
13:22:35 | aliask | I've never had too much trouble with Ubuntu, it's the only linux I've been able to use for longer than a month |
13:22:59 | aliask | As a desktop that is. |
13:23:12 | theli_ua | JbGordon, look here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=176636&page=3 |
13:25:28 | JdGordon | hmm... that just gives peromssions... i tihnk its mroe than that becasue running it as sudo starts it, but it doesnt run properly |
13:25:39 | JdGordon | im compiling the sources atm... see if that fixes it |
13:25:46 | JdGordon | or breaks my system even more :p |
13:26:30 | aliask | JdGordon: To add an action, can I just add an item in keymap-target.c and then refer to it? Or do I need to do more? |
13:26:49 | crwl | if you run it with sudo, it probably tries to use svgalib output or something and kind of succeeds, because it has root privileges |
13:26:53 | JdGordon | no, you must add it to action.h first |
13:26:55 | crwl | just that svgalib output and x11 don't quite mix |
13:27:45 | theli_ua | JdGordon, try to export variable SDL_VIDEODRIVER=x11 or dga ... |
13:27:58 | aliask | JdGordon: Thanks. |
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13:29:36 | JdGordon | theli_ua: i tried both as root so it didnt complain about permissions and same thing... |
13:29:44 | JdGordon | aliask: are you adding it for a plugin or the core? |
13:29:49 | aliask | Core |
13:29:55 | JdGordon | righto :) |
13:29:58 | aliask | It worked |
13:30:21 | theli_ua | JdGordon, no ... just try to run "SDL_VIDEODRIVER=x11 ./rockboxui" under user, not root |
13:30:34 | JdGordon | same thing... no permissions |
13:30:47 | theli_ua | :( |
13:31:06 | JdGordon | no, sorry.. forgot the export :p |
13:31:14 | JdGordon | fatal: No available video device |
13:31:19 | JdGordon | for both x11 and dga |
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13:32:51 | crwl | sounds like your installation is seriously broken :P |
13:33:09 | crwl | i can't remember ever having problems with sdl's video output |
13:34:02 | JdGordon | brb |
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13:34:23 | linuxstb | Maybe when JdGordon compiled SDL, it didn't pick up the X11 headers... |
13:34:34 | crwl | why would anyone need to compile SDL on any linux system anyway? |
13:34:45 | crwl | i don't remember ever doing that in my 7 years of using debian and ubuntu |
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13:35:13 | linuxstb | (to quote myself from 1 minute ago:) "Maybe when JdGordon compiled SDL, it didn't pick up the X11 headers..." |
13:35:46 | JdGordon | .. but it wasnt working using the standard ubuntu sdl package? |
13:36:00 | JdGordon | getting off MergedFB didnt help |
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13:36:22 | JdGordon | brb |
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13:39:18 | * | theli_ua dreams of OpenFileDialog in plugin api ... |
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13:40:50 | linuxstb | theli_ua: Then make your dream come true... |
13:41:21 | theli_ua | you think it would be useful? |
13:41:55 | linuxstb | I think so... Although a "SaveAsDialog" would probably be more useful. |
13:42:29 | theli_ua | SaveAs just for choosing dir where to save? |
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13:42:44 | linuxstb | Or choosing an existing filename to overwrite. |
13:42:55 | linuxstb | Plus of course the option of entering a new name. |
13:43:02 | theli_ua | yeah ... thats what i miss too :) |
13:43:52 | preglow | same code could probably be used for both, though |
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13:45:08 | amiconn | Things not needed in the core should better be part of the plugin lib |
13:45:24 | theli_ua | i wonder if current filebrowser can be reused for this ... |
13:45:39 | JdGordon | probably... |
13:45:47 | JdGordon | why not alter the onlplay stuff to handle it? |
13:45:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree, but a "save as" dialog would be nice for writing .cfg files for example, or saving playlists. |
13:45:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: Will you fix the time setting screen? |
13:46:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ah, yes |
13:46:23 | JdGordon | amiconn: i have fixed it... except sdl isnt working so i cannot test on any targets except the h300 |
13:46:38 | amiconn | Doesn't work on recorder... |
13:46:42 | JdGordon | i have left a message on the rockbox-dev ml regarding redoig the settigns context for the whole thing |
13:46:49 | JdGordon | ..if you can have a look at it |
13:46:59 | JdGordon | .. or anyone can ok it.. |
13:47:24 | amiconn | ok, will do. |
13:47:49 | JdGordon | let me just diff it again so it is the lastest |
13:48:41 | linuxstb | BTW, I've started to implement frame-rate limiting in mpegplayer, but am not sure how to commit it - i.e. is it more useful at the moment for CVS mpegplayer to never try to skip frames or limit the maximum speed? |
13:49:13 | JdGordon | probably... |
13:49:22 | JdGordon | commit it but disable it? |
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13:51:51 | linuxstb | Also, how accurate are the user timers on the various targets? e.g. if I ask for a 1000Hz timer and use that to update my own tick variable, what can I expect? I obviously never unboost the CPU. |
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13:57:28 | JdGordon | is the slow part of drawing frames copying it to the lcd or decoding the actual frame? |
13:58:08 | linuxstb | They are both slow, but decoding is slower. |
13:58:32 | linuxstb | I would guess about 30% of the time is the display, 70% decoding, but don't quote me on that... |
13:59:02 | JdGordon | .. and does it do any pre-decoding? eli_sherer suggested ages ago to decode a half-dozen frames before starting playback and then decode into the buffer to speed things up..? |
13:59:52 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how that would speed things up - you would need to copy the decoded frames somewhere... |
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14:01:13 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5060 |
14:01:51 | JdGordon | decode straight into a buffer, do maybe 10 frames before starting, then copy from buffer->lcd while decoding could sppeed things up a tiny bit? |
14:02:46 | linuxstb | You only have one CPU - how can doing two things at the same time speed it up? |
14:03:06 | linuxstb | And how would you manage to do two things at the same time? |
14:03:39 | JdGordon | i dunno.... magic....? |
14:05:22 | linuxstb | Although we might have to buffer some video frames on the Coldfires - to enable us to interleave audio and video decoding, maybe swapping IRAM between the two codecs. But on the ipods, we do have two CPUs, so one will just decode and display video as fast as it can, the other will do the same for audio. |
14:06:02 | linuxstb | I honestly haven't thought about how to do video and audio decoding at the same time on the Coldfires... |
14:06:58 | * | JdGordon is installing vmware on comp so he can use the sim! |
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14:11:07 | theli_ua | linuxstb, fps in zxbox on Ondio is slightly above 2 .... :(.. that make sit completely unusable on this targets |
14:11:41 | merbanan | linuxstb: isn't there some sort of cooperative multitasking scheme you could use ? |
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14:15:55 | linuxstb | theli_ua: That's not very surprising... The CPU speed is 1/10th of the other targets (around 12MHz). |
14:17:45 | linuxstb | merbanan: Yes, we could do anything... But I think the problem will be speed - so we want to maximise IRAM usage for both audio and video decoding. |
14:18:55 | Bger | JdGordon: i'm for not always checking the standard list |
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14:26:42 | theli_ua | linuxstb, i've checked emulators which wikipedia states as the most popular for atari 2600 .. one asm+pascal, second asm+c and third cpp :) |
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14:30:23 | linuxstb | The C++ would probably be easiest - depending on how it's written. Pacbox was originally C++. |
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14:39:38 | theli_ua | stella ( which is in cpp ) is too heavy to rewrite to C.. |
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14:39:44 | JdGordon | does anyone know how to get NAT working for qemu? |
14:40:48 | mirak | salut |
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14:41:00 | mirak | JdGordon: tap/tun driver |
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14:41:38 | mirak | JdGordon: if you want to ping the qemu vm you need that. |
14:42:10 | JdGordon | i need to ssh into it.. but ye |
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14:43:45 | JdGordon | and can i pause the session like you can in vmware? |
14:44:06 | JdGordon | crap! X wont start in the debian rockbox image!! |
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14:50:31 | mirak | JdGordon: yes you do stop in console |
14:50:39 | mirak | JdGordon: #qemu |
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14:50:56 | * | JdGordon gives up.. im dumping ubuntu |
14:51:02 | JdGordon | gonna try opensuse |
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14:51:37 | JdGordon | no im not.. no bloody dvd image.. i cbf burning 5 cds |
14:56:41 | theli_ua | linuxstb, so should i drop old targets for zxbox or leave it as they are now? |
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14:57:44 | jhMikeS | I'm curious if anyone thinks MAC/EMAC would speed up yuv conversion. |
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15:00:09 | perplexity | JdGordon if you are using userspace networking in qemu (the default) then you need to forward a local port to the vm. Something like -redir tcp:2200::22 will let you ssh -p 2200 localhost and get the vm |
15:00:50 | linuxstb | theli_ua: You may as well leave them there - someone may wish to do something with it. |
15:00:51 | JdGordon | oh ok, thanks, stupid X wouldnt start in the vm, so im not going to bother with it.. just going to reinstall a different distro tomow |
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15:00:59 | perplexity | and you can pause the session by typing "stop" in the console (ctrl-alt-2 should get you there and ctrl-alt-1 should get you back) |
15:01:12 | perplexity | ubuntu 6.06 works well in qemu ;) |
15:01:28 | JdGordon | ubuntu 6.06 is a piece of shit and the makers should die! |
15:01:33 | JdGordon | :D |
15:02:03 | perplexity | uhhuh.. nasty nasty.. some of us think similar about what suse has done to yast in the latest itteration :) |
15:02:22 | perplexity | but horses for courses.. I just told you what works.. you can choose to ignore me if you like.. |
15:02:33 | JdGordon | ill probably go gentoo.. but the long install is hplding me back |
15:02:43 | JdGordon | :) thanks |
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15:05:57 | theli_ua | linuxstb, so then i need your fixes which made zxbox build on archos targets.... :) ... so i can remove last warnings and post new patch :) |
15:06:28 | mirak | perplexity: if you only need to use linux to compile in windows you might want to try colinux |
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15:07:06 | perplexity | mirak the only windows I have runs under qemu in linux. "Proudly Windows free(tm) since 1996" :) |
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15:11:57 | JdGordon | amiconn: did play/stop used to be used to move between settings on the player/recorders? |
15:14:07 | JdGordon | anyone there have a player/recorder? |
15:14:48 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Do you mean in the date/time screen? |
15:15:02 | JdGordon | there.. and other screens |
15:15:16 | JdGordon | if its like the iriver then it will be opposite in the time screen.. |
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15:15:51 | JdGordon | I should have said, what is used to go between settings when inc/dec in -/+ ? |
15:16:35 | Soap | travishayes89 is on a forum posting spree! |
15:18:20 | amiconn | JdGordon: The settings used to work the same as the menu/tree on both player and recorder, with the only exception on the recorder that Left was accept the same way as right, and Off was cancel |
15:18:51 | JdGordon | and screens like the e/q and time? |
15:19:14 | amiconn | The player does all its navigation the same way: selecting/moving through lists with + / -, enter/accept with Play and exit/cancel with Stop |
15:19:23 | amiconn | There is no eq on any archos |
15:19:28 | JdGordon | ok |
15:19:39 | JdGordon | does it have the time screen? |
15:19:41 | amiconn | The time setting only exists on recorder, the player has no rtc |
15:20:33 | amiconn | Time setting: Move between positions with Left / Right, Set selected value: Up / Down, cancel with Off and accept with On |
15:20:45 | JdGordon | ah ok |
15:20:51 | amiconn | Left /Right is what's not working atm |
15:21:04 | amiconn | ...so you can only set hours (the first value) |
15:21:20 | amiconn | I think it's the same on iriver |
15:21:26 | JdGordon | did you look at the patch on the ml? |
15:21:34 | amiconn | No, work atm... |
15:21:42 | JdGordon | work? its saturday |
15:21:46 | amiconn | yeps |
15:21:53 | JdGordon | damn, that sux :p |
15:22:12 | theli_ua | i'm at work now :) |
15:22:23 | JdGordon | anyway, its fixed for iriver, and im very slowly doing the other targets, but without the sim its almost impossible.. (even with the old #defines) |
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15:24:58 | * | JdGordon is starting to thin the 3rd column in the aciton lists isnt really needed |
15:25:45 | amiconn | ? |
15:25:53 | JdGordon | the prereq column |
15:26:09 | amiconn | How would it work without the prereqs? |
15:26:30 | JdGordon | it looks like everything has BUTTON_NONE now anyway |
15:26:40 | amiconn | That's not true |
15:27:08 | JdGordon | ..ok |
15:27:40 | amiconn | Afaics it would be impossible to make it work without prereqs |
15:28:01 | amiconn | They're needed to distinguish short/ long presses and some special cases |
15:28:33 | JdGordon | ok, my brain is slowly turning off.. so i may say stupid tihngs now :p |
15:29:22 | JdGordon | anyway, i tinhk the time screen should be working again.. but i cant test it |
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15:46:31 | Soap | Could commercial signatures be banned from the forums? |
15:46:31 | Soap | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5891.msg45639#msg45639 |
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15:54:44 | XavierGr | ok\ |
15:54:46 | XavierGr | let me check |
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15:56:37 | XavierGr | hmm I can't edit signatures. And maybe I will have to ask Paul about it |
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16:35:41 | theli_ua | can anyone kill this ? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5920.msg45856#new |
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16:49:35 | shriphani | people i got a trouble and you may call me old fashioned for this |
16:49:41 | Soap | theli_ua - The procedure is to reply to the offending post with a simple "Reported" statement, and to click on the link to report it to the moderators. |
16:50:27 | shriphani | i need a tool to sync ogg-vorbis to my ipod cuz i hate navigating through scores of dirctories |
16:50:48 | shriphani | is there such a tool ? |
16:51:14 | theli_ua | Soap, i know i'm just to sleepy to report it now ... don't even know why should i bother :) |
16:51:29 | Soap | shriphani - I assume you are using Windows? |
16:51:39 | shriphani | Soap, i am using ubuntu |
16:52:07 | Soap | shriphani - how unorganised is your collection? |
16:52:21 | shriphani | umm i got a folder to each artist |
16:52:46 | shriphani | but in the collection there's a 40 of them so its a pain to navigate through 40 dirs |
16:53:19 | Soap | is your ipod a mirror of your collection or a ever-changing-subset? |
16:53:33 | Soap | *an |
16:54:01 | shriphani | ever changing |
16:54:14 | shriphani | like the collection is diversified |
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16:54:23 | shriphani | no single artist |
16:55:14 | shriphani | umm so i wanted this tool to do syncing work so i could have an id3 database |
16:55:20 | Soap | I'm thinking...even on my linux box I simply drag folders over to my ipod. |
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16:55:53 | shriphani | Soap, you have troubles navigating through dirs too ? |
16:56:13 | Soap | no |
16:56:40 | shriphani | and how many songs do you have ? |
16:56:59 | Soap | all my rips are in perfectly (anal) /Artist/Album directory structure |
16:57:10 | shriphani | ahh |
16:57:31 | Soap | I have I don't know how many songs, but about 750 CDs I've ripped, and maybe another 100 (legal) downloads. |
16:58:10 | shriphani | gosh |
16:58:28 | [HO]volt | I have nearly 6,000 songs, the only way I can stand to keep them is root/first letter/artist/song (throw in album if you feel like it) |
16:58:29 | Soap | So when I want to remove an album from the ipod I just delete it, and when I want to add an album I just drag it over. |
16:58:52 | shriphani | gosh i have just 200 |
16:59:10 | shriphani | or is it 250 |
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16:59:13 | shriphani | yeah 250 |
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17:01:02 | Soap | So what you are looking for is the ability to do a database search of songs on your computer, and then send the results to your ipod? |
17:01:10 | shriphani | yeh Soap |
17:01:18 | shriphani | ogg tunes |
17:01:26 | shriphani | for mp3 i can se gtkpod |
17:02:42 | Soap | dang, I already forgot you said ogg, I was thinking since you wanted to use tagcache any of the ipod programs would work, but you said ogg. dang. |
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17:06:30 | shriphani | well ok i think i shall go for sorting it artist/album like |
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17:09:02 | shriphani | Soap, when is the official rockbox for ipod release ? |
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17:10:18 | shriphani | erm ok folks bye |
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17:50:18 | barrywardell_ | are there originals of the plugin bitmaps available anywhere? I need to make new ones for the H10's 128x128 screen. |
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17:51:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: The bitmaps are all in cvs - in apps/plugins/bitmaps/ |
17:52:01 | linuxstb | I don't think there are any "originals". |
17:52:37 | barrywardell | OK. I'll just use the biggest ones available and resize to fit |
17:53:43 | Mikachu | it is not unlikely they were handmade at each size |
17:55:06 | linuxstb | Does the iriver firmware support video? |
17:56:21 | barrywardell | no |
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17:59:40 | keilj | hello all |
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18:02:11 | keilj | does anyone know much about the codebehind a playlist on the computer |
18:02:17 | keilj | code behind* |
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18:02:36 | illogic-al | hey all. just wanted to thank you guys, and petur + linuxstb in particular |
18:02:55 | illogic-al | replace my battery and my mp3 player working |
18:03:15 | illogic-al | turns out the battery wasn't dead, the wire was cut. |
18:03:56 | keilj | when i open a playlist made on my comp in wordpad the first line is this |
18:04:03 | keilj | '#EXTM3U' |
18:04:21 | keilj | i believe that that is saying the the extention is .m3u am i correct? |
18:04:47 | illogic-al | I'm not sure but i think so. |
18:05:11 | illogic-al | I don't really think the commented lines are necessary. |
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18:05:36 | keilj | well teh next line is '#EXTINF:257,Michael Jackson - Beat It' |
18:05:40 | illogic-al | i've created .m3u with just song filenames and they've played in audio players |
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18:06:18 | illogic-al | 2:57 long track Beat it by Michael Jackson |
18:06:35 | keilj | ahhh |
18:06:42 | illogic-al | i think :-) |
18:06:45 | keilj | so teh number is the time it goes for? |
18:06:53 | illogic-al | i think :-) |
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18:07:08 | keilj | oh, well actually that cant be right coz one of them says 144 but i know the track is longer |
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18:07:41 | keilj | i think teh michael jackson - beat it part is the id3 tag for teh song |
18:07:54 | illogic-al | oh for anyone who knows, what does updating the iriver firmware do for rockbox. |
18:08:06 | illogic-al | I'm using 1.28e right now and it works. well. |
18:08:54 | keilj | what do you mean updatin the iriver firmware for rockbox? i think it just means u must patch the firmware again for rockbox to work |
18:14:54 | keilj | hey, illogic-al. you were close, the number is tehtime in seconds |
18:15:13 | keilj | so its not 2:53 but 253 seconds |
18:16:32 | keilj | anyway, that solves my problem |
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18:17:32 | suge | hey, I just got a ipod video 30gb. I see there are 2 builds of rockbox that a user created |
18:17:33 | suge | Video iPod: http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockbox-jbuild-20060726-ipodvideo.zip |
18:17:33 | suge | Video iPod 64mb: http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockbox-jbuild-20060726-ipodvideo-64MB.zip |
18:17:40 | keilj | the idea is that im going to create a program, where if you go to a freinds and he has a plylist playing that you like instead of copying every song one by one you can load the playlist file and it can copy all the songs involved in the playlist to a directory of your choice, external HD for example |
18:17:55 | suge | there is regular video ipod, and video ipod 64mb.. which one do I need |
18:17:57 | suge | ? |
18:18:37 | suge | 64mb cache I suppose... |
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18:18:53 | keilj | suge: sorry i cant help you, im not too sure, this channel is kinda quite at the moiment |
18:19:28 | suge | haha cool man.. I think i need to just google search to see if I can take 64mb cache builds |
18:20:10 | keilj | i take it you dont know much about any programnig languages |
18:20:27 | illogic-al | keilj: I've patched the 1.28 firmware, i was wondering what would be the reasons to use the 1.29e firmware patched instead. |
18:21:22 | keilj | ummm, the only difference is whatever 1.29 has that 1.28 |
18:21:44 | keilj | i am using 1.29k because it has video playback and its in a seperate menue like the music |
18:21:59 | keilj | and other than that i dont see much difference |
18:22:31 | keilj | but i think the links to 1.29e are actually 1.30e which doesnt have video playback at all |
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18:23:45 | keilj | lol despite this channel showing many users are in it its almost dead quite |
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18:27:44 | illogic-al | so let's see if I get this straight: unless I use the 1.29e firmware I can't have video playback? |
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18:34:25 | PaulJam | Hi, i have a question: was the buttoncombo (short press - long press on RIGHT) to jump to the next folder removed when the buttons were reworked? it doesn't seem to work anymore (i have only tested with the uisimulator) |
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18:36:33 | Mikachu | PaulJam: i don't know, but it will probabyl help if you mention what target you use |
18:37:08 | PaulJam | i use a h300. i thought this buttoncombo works for all targets. |
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18:38:40 | Soap | Surge - you should A-Read the manual B-Read the ipod/rockbox FAQ C-Read the thread for the build you are considering. D-Realize your ipod (30 gig 5g "Video") only has 32 megs of RAM, not 64. |
18:40:44 | [HO]volt | Apologies in advance for the stupid question - Is battery life dependant on whether or not you have headphones plugged in and/or volume ? |
18:41:34 | Mikachu | probably not very much |
18:42:12 | Soap | It almost has to be, but I doubt it if by much. Maybe I'll run some tests myself. |
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18:42:29 | [HO]volt | i'll see. right now i'm doing burn-in and/or battery longelivity tests on my iaudio x5 and i've been doing so without headphones... tonight i'll do one with headphones plugged in on volume 0 and report back |
18:42:33 | Mikachu | compared to other components i don't think so |
18:43:32 | suge | whats the default folder that i should put my mp3s in? |
18:43:39 | [HO]volt | i'm doing about 66 songs of 192kbps constant bitrate, 10sec backlight with caption backlight on, and so far it's been going for 12h 45m |
18:43:41 | Mikachu | anywhere you feel like |
18:43:59 | suge | so it doesn't have to be within .rockbox? |
18:44:10 | [HO]volt | suge: it should be in root |
18:44:14 | Mikachu | you definitely don't want your music in .rockbox |
18:44:15 | Soap | nope, and there is some good reasons not to |
18:44:18 | Soap | *are |
18:44:42 | suge | so create a dir called /music/ in root? |
18:44:42 | Mikachu | i use /Music |
18:44:45 | suge | and i should be good |
18:44:52 | Mikachu | amiconn likes to put all the music directly in the root |
18:45:33 | [HO]volt | you can use /Music, I prefer to make 26 folders (A-Z) and then put my music into them by first letter of artist, and into another folder with the name of the artist, then the song name is just "SongTitle.mp3" |
18:46:10 | Soap | I go /music/Artist - Year - Album/ |
18:46:23 | Soap | I like to be able to scroll through my entire set. |
18:46:43 | [HO]volt | So I would be listening to root/B/Bjork/Desired Constellation.mp3 |
18:46:56 | suge | soap - doesn't tagcache give you the familiar ipod interface |
18:46:58 | suge | ? |
18:47:17 | Soap | I don't use tagcache |
18:47:37 | suge | like for example, i got the billboard top 100 songs from 1990-2005... they are all different artists, but im going to keep them in a folder by year |
18:47:38 | suge | aw ok |
18:48:12 | Soap | I would be listening to root/music/Bjork - 2004 - Medulla/08 - Desired Constellation.mp3 |
18:48:25 | [HO]volt | lol :D |
18:48:52 | [HO]volt | that would be a really smart idea though. i dont even know the album of... well... ANY of my songs. :( |
18:49:07 | [HO]volt | plus the way you have the folders set up i like how it keeps the albums listed chronologically |
18:49:13 | Soap | yep |
18:49:42 | [HO]volt | lol maybe i should spend the next 36 hours and do that to all of my nearly 6000 songs ... |
18:50:03 | Soap | I'm a browser, I don't like navigating in and out of a nested folder structure to chase after my next artist. |
18:50:26 | [HO]volt | wait, isnt that what you have? |
18:50:49 | [HO]volt | or what exactly is a nested folder structure |
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18:51:19 | [HO]volt | where i have my music in folders A-Z according to first letter |
18:51:21 | [HO]volt | ? |
18:52:28 | Soap | Yours are nested root/<letter>/<artist>/<mp3s> |
18:52:47 | Soap | mine less so root/<album>/<mp3s> |
18:52:56 | [HO]volt | understandable |
18:53:09 | [HO]volt | iirc you have about 750 albums? or was that another dude |
18:53:12 | Mikachu | Soap: but you can't easily add all albums by an artist |
18:53:34 | Soap | yea, to go from bjork to tricky you need to go back to root, I just exit out of the album folder and scroll down. |
18:53:44 | Soap | [HO]volt - yea, ~750 |
18:54:11 | Soap | Mikachu - all, but if I have it go to the next directory automaticly... |
18:54:14 | Soap | *ahh |
18:54:34 | [HO]volt | Soap: so going from Bjork to (insert artist starting with P) you have to hold down for ~300 albums? or is there a better way |
18:54:53 | Soap | [HO]volt - ipod, I scoll. |
18:55:15 | Soap | testing....takes less than 3 seconds |
18:55:22 | [HO]volt | i see |
18:56:57 | [HO]volt | it takes me about 5 seconds to navigate through 50 items |
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19:02:33 | [HO]volt | My iAudio x5 battery just died after 13 hours and 6 minutes playing 192kbps music with 10 second caption backlight (so every song change = 20 seconds of backlight) and the songs averaged 4 minutes |
19:02:55 | idnar | was that with rockbox or the cowon firmware? |
19:03:12 | [HO]volt | rockbox. i actually have never booted with the default firmware lol |
19:03:18 | idnar | hmm, ok |
19:03:21 | idnar | what codec? |
19:03:30 | [HO]volt | hmm i don't know what you mean |
19:03:37 | idnar | MP3, FLAC, WMA, ... |
19:03:47 | [HO]volt | oh lol they were 192kbps mp3 |
19:03:51 | idnar | ah |
19:04:01 | idnar | maybe the MP3 decoder isn't as power-hungry |
19:04:09 | idnar | most of mine is FLAC, Vorbis, or Musepack |
19:04:26 | idnar | and I don't think I get anywhere near 13 hours |
19:04:43 | [HO]volt | how big are those files compared to mp3 files? |
19:05:07 | idnar | average bitrate on my FLAC files is in the region of 1000Kbps, I think |
19:05:18 | idnar | which is about 5x as large as your 192Kbps |
19:05:51 | [HO]volt | well, tell me if theres something more complex going on here, but basically a larger file requires more times the mp3 player needs to read from the hard disk, meaning more spinups and more power needs |
19:07:16 | [HO]volt | i know nothing about the size of RAM of the x5 though - but i assume whatever the size, 8mb for example, it fills up that 8mb of ram and then plays it, then fills again |
19:07:27 | [HO]volt | and each time it fills it requires a disk spinup |
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19:10:38 | Soap | very true, but at least on the ipods you run the CPU unboosted playing FLAC, while MP3 requires considerable amouts of boots. |
19:10:41 | Soap | *boost. |
19:12:39 | amar | does anyone know how I could find out which file tagcash keeps gettig stuck on |
19:12:48 | amar | it is entery 2827 but i dont know how to find which file it is |
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19:14:52 | suge | im looking all over for the keys to press to boot into apple firmware to watch video |
19:15:00 | suge | anyone know what they are? |
19:16:33 | ww2- | Hey. I'm trying to compile my own build with scroll acceleration patch, using a pre-august 15th source. I need some help regarding how to change the source according to reject files (I don't understand how to find out where in the code something needs to be added or deleted). Anyone willing to help me? |
19:16:44 | ww2- | suge: I think you have to hold Menu. |
19:16:55 | suge | tthanks.. will try it |
19:17:15 | ww2- | np. |
19:18:48 | ww2- | Hey, can anyone help me please? At least point me out to an article or something explaining the logic behind .rej files? |
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19:21:28 | ww2- | Please? =/ |
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19:25:28 | [HO]volt | Soap: How do you classify songs that you have that aren't on an album, if any? |
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19:28:14 | Soap | [HO]volt - My entire collection consists of my ripped CDs, live sets from archive.org (which I tag as albums) and podcasts which are in a root/podcasts/ directory. |
19:30:03 | tobi-wan | hi folks. i've got an ipod g4 and have successfully installed rockbox. one thing that annoys me, though, is the fact that whenever i plug the ipod to the computer to a) charge it or b) load additional music, it seems to forget all of its settings (wps, random, repeat, etc.). has anyone else experienced this, tooO? |
19:30:06 | ww2- | [HO]volt: why don't you separate your collection in "Albums" and "Singles"? |
19:30:06 | tobi-wan | -O |
19:30:57 | ww2- | [HO]volt: Singles you could tag with artist and title only. |
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19:32:58 | Soap | tobi-wan - Stop allowing your ipod to boot with the hold switch on, and the problem will go away. |
19:33:34 | Soap | booting with the hold switch on clears settings. This is intentional. |
19:33:39 | tobi-wan | Soap: ah, so this behaviour is triggered when the hold switch is on? thanks, that is valuable information indeed *G* |
19:33:46 | tobi-wan | now i feel dumb :-( |
19:33:53 | Mikachu | it should be possible to not clear settings if plugged in to usb |
19:34:12 | ww2- | Can someone explain to me how to interpret .rej files? Where in the source to add/remove code? |
19:34:40 | Soap | I wear my ipod on my belt, not in my pocket, so I have never once in my life used the hold switch, but I could see how it is habit for those who prefer the pocket. |
19:36:00 | tobi-wan | Soap: exactly so :-) being a developer myself, i always preach to read the documentation. shame on me, and thanks to you for the information :-) |
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19:56:28 | mirak | soap on the H300 the old switch is not that much usefull |
19:56:39 | mirak | the boutton are to hard to really be pushed inadvertantly |
19:57:02 | mirak | but this can secure a recording though, that's the only really usefull case |
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19:57:04 | mirak | for me |
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19:57:53 | tobi-wan | ah, one more question. Soap mentioned that i can "stop allowing" the ipod to boot with the hold switch on. how would i go about this? |
19:58:23 | tobi-wan | btw: thank you all for providing a software that allows ogg vorbis to be replayed on an ipod! |
19:58:23 | mirak | don't know ... |
19:59:45 | Mikachu | tobi-wan: he meant only you i think :) |
19:59:54 | ww2- | Can someone explain to me how to interpret .rej files, please? |
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20:01:02 | ww2- | I don't understand how it works. Where in the source to add or remove a block of code, for instance. |
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20:02:32 | tobi-wan | Mikachu: i thought so :-D |
20:03:34 | ww2- | =( |
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20:05:25 | Bagder | barrywardell_: we just need a commit now to see the h10 sim build in the table |
20:06:08 | barrywardell_ | ok, i'm working on a h10 5gb target and am almost ready to commit |
20:06:52 | Bagder | cool |
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20:10:16 | Soap | tobi-wan - I ment that your booting with the hold switch on was clearing your settings, nothing more. |
20:10:49 | Snyper | how is the h10 port going? My brother might be interested in helping soon.... |
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20:21:03 | ww2- | Can someone help me with a couple of very basic questions about compiling a custom build? |
20:21:32 | ww2- | I've read the available documentation. |
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20:22:20 | barrywardell | sorry.my internet connection is really bad tonight. |
20:22:42 | barrywardell | Snyper: the h10 port is going well. Any help is welcome |
20:23:43 | ww2- | be interested in helping soon.... |
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20:23:43 | ww2- | [15:21] <ww2-> Can someone help me with a couple of very basic questions about compiling a custom build? |
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20:23:44 | ww2- | [15:21] <ww2-> I've read the available documentation. |
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20:23:48 | ww2- | ops, sorry. =p |
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20:24:58 | [HO]volt | Is there anything out there that will look at the artist and title of a song and will fill in album, tracknum, year...? |
20:25:06 | [HO]volt | artist and title of the id3 tag. |
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20:29:08 | pi | could someone have a look at FS #5809 |
20:29:37 | Soap | [HO]volt - Check out musicbrainz (I think) (one sec) |
20:30:20 | Soap | http://musicbrainz.org/ |
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20:33:13 | ww2- | How do I compile a build using a source from a few days ago? I download that source and extracted it to the proper folder, but now when I use the ../tools/configure command as explained in the "How To Patch and Compile Tutorial (From WINDOWS)" I get a "Permission denied" error. |
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20:34:25 | ww2- | user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/build_h120$ ../tools/configure |
20:34:25 | ww2- | -bash: ../tools/configure: Permission denied |
20:36:23 | ww2- | Well, I won't stop asking =] |
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20:49:27 | [HO]volt | Soap: Thanks for the musicbrainz link, I'm giving it a shot. |
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21:31:24 | barrywardell | Bagder: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml |
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21:52:25 | ww2- | Anyone willing to help a newbie on a couple of (simple) questions related to making a custom build? I've read the documentation, guides and all. |
21:53:40 | Soap | you are catching the main developers late on a Saturday night. |
21:57:26 | ww2- | Oh well... here the time is 4:30 pm. |
21:57:33 | sharpe | And Sharpe in the afternoon :) |
21:58:36 | sharpe | ww2-: What do you mean by, simple questions? |
21:59:20 | ww2- | I just wanted to know how to compile from an old source... the tar.gz file from it I extracted, but when issuing the '../tools/configure" command, I get a "Permission denied" error. |
21:59:46 | ww2- | I'm following this guide: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4689.0 and the source is from August 14th. |
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22:00:14 | Mikachu | add "sh " to the start of the command |
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22:00:32 | ww2- | ahh, it works |
22:00:36 | ww2- | Mikachu: thanks =D |
22:00:57 | sharpe | See, it's better to just ask the question(s) anyway. |
22:01:01 | sharpe | :D |
22:01:16 | ww2- | sharpe: I did ask a few times, but no one answered =( |
22:01:42 | sharpe | Eh. Then it's because I wasn't here. Haha... |
22:02:27 | Mikachu | yeah nice work there sharpe |
22:02:40 | sharpe | Mikachu: Yeah, I take pride in my efforts... |
22:03:38 | ww2- | Hehe. Can you guys help me with just one more thing? How do I work with .rej files? I mean, I don't understand the logic of it, apart from the "+ in front of the line means you have to add it to the source, and the opposite means you have to exclude it" part. |
22:04:06 | ww2- | How do I find out where exactly in the source do I have to add (or remove) it? |
22:04:34 | Mikachu | look at the line numbers |
22:05:19 | ww2- | yeah, but when I check in the source, it seems to be completely different. The code that corresponds to a given line number in the .rej file isn't the same in the source file. |
22:05:23 | Soap | 4:30pm? I didn't know there were 1/2 hour time zones over here. |
22:05:45 | ww2- | Well, it's around 5, actually. |
22:05:59 | sharpe | Soap: There are in the Middle East and around there... |
22:06:07 | Mikachu | ww2-: then you probably don't stand much of a chance |
22:06:17 | Mikachu | ww2-: the code has simply changed too much since the patch was written |
22:06:47 | ww2- | Mikachu: can you read the topic I posted asking about this? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5924.0 |
22:07:35 | Mikachu | no time |
22:07:36 | Soap | sharpe - true, but my point was anywhere where it is ~4:30 pm currently. |
22:07:45 | sharpe | :) |
22:10:02 | ww2- | Mikachu: ok, thanks. Just one more thing... the *** XXX,XXX **** (XXX being the line number) block of code is what the patch program found, and the one that follows is what the code is supposed to be? |
22:10:25 | Mikachu | yeah i think so |
22:10:31 | Mikachu | never did like context diffs much |
22:12:16 | ww2- | I see... well, I tried a few patches already, and all of the .rej files they generated didn't really match with the respective sources. |
22:13:18 | amar | have you managed to get any patches to patch cleanly? |
22:15:04 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
22:15:04 | * | Bagder gets back and sees a new column in the cvs table |
22:15:38 | ww2- | amar: Nope. I'm just trying to apply the regular ones... autopause, scroll accel, etc. And got the latest versions. |
22:16:37 | ww2- | Didn't really have the time... been messing with this since yesterday. But after I figure how to use the .rej files and all it will probably work out. |
22:16:57 | amar | it is just that i rearly get any .rej files |
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22:18:31 | ww2- | amar: even with the latest cvs and old patches? |
22:19:49 | amar | depends how old i suppose |
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22:27:49 | hotwire_ | hey folks, if i'm updating what i have in my cvs, but have changed some code, will my code be affected? |
22:28:04 | hotwire_ | (i'm just downloading to local, not committing) |
22:28:27 | Bagder | only if your changes collide with what has happened in the cvs repo |
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22:29:53 | hotwire_ | and if that happens, will there be a warning? |
22:29:58 | Bagder | yes |
22:30:06 | Bagder | and you'll get _both_ versions in your life |
22:30:11 | Bagder | left for you to edit |
22:30:19 | hotwire_ | hmm, okay |
22:30:53 | Bagder | (with markers around) |
22:32:15 | sharpe | Ahey, I've done that before. |
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22:37:34 | San | would charging through USB have any effect on that battery aposed to charging via mains? |
22:37:53 | San | cause I have been charging through usb for the bast 4/;5 weeks |
22:38:18 | San | and I got 02:53:45 in a bench test |
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22:44:22 | mirak | hey, I am asking myself how you can acces to C variables from inline asm. |
22:44:33 | amar | night all |
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22:44:50 | mirak | I read the code but some things are not clera |
22:44:54 | mirak | clear |
22:45:42 | mirak | "cmp %[v], #255 \n" the function containing this line got one parameter, however I don't understand the meaning of [v], I though it should 0 instead |
22:46:09 | mirak | the parameter beeing represented by %[v] I guess |
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23:05:56 | ww2- | Hey... I just finished compiling a build with "make". Everything seemed to go smooth, but after the "make zip" command I receive this error: /bin/sh: line 1: /home/user/rockbox-devel/tools/buildzip.pl: Permission denied. "sh make zip" also doesn't work. What do I do? |
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23:06:58 | Bagder | odd |
23:07:02 | ww2- | forgot something... after "Permission denied" this comes up: "make: *** [zip] Error 126" |
23:07:14 | ww2- | yeah =( |
23:07:20 | Bagder | do you have zip installed? |
23:07:53 | ww2- | I'm using the Vmware dev environment. In my machine I have WinRAR. |
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23:08:03 | Bagder | ok then do this: |
23:08:11 | Bagder | make V=1 zip |
23:08:29 | ww2- | And I'm using an old Aughst 14th source btw. |
23:08:31 | ww2- | Ok, I'll try. |
23:08:41 | ww2- | August* |
23:08:56 | Bagder | that command line shows a lot more details |
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23:09:02 | ww2- | user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/build_h120$ make V=1 zip |
23:09:03 | ww2- | make: *** [zip] Error 126 |
23:09:03 | Bagder | so it might reveal somthing more |
23:09:12 | Bagder | ehum |
23:09:14 | ww2- | wait a minute |
23:09:16 | ww2- | there's more |
23:09:23 | ww2- | couldn't paste it |
23:09:32 | mirak | Bagder: you knows asm ? |
23:09:47 | ww2- | Bagder: |
23:09:47 | ww2- | user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/build_h120$ make V=1 zip |
23:09:47 | ww2- | /home/user/rockbox-devel/tools/buildzip.pl -v -t \"ipodvideo\" -r "/home/user/rockbox-devel" -DIPOD_VIDEO rockbox.ipod |
23:09:47 | ww2- | /bin/sh: line 1: /home/user/rockbox-devel/tools/buildzip.pl: Permission denied |
23:09:47 | ww2- | make: *** [zip] Error 126 |
23:11:04 | Bagder | Permission denied |
23:11:17 | Bagder | can you run the buildzip.pl script manually? |
23:11:37 | ww2- | let me see |
23:12:59 | Bagder | mirak: yes I do |
23:13:50 | mirak | Bagder: the syntax how to pass and gather parameters is not clear |
23:13:51 | ww2- | Bagder: Hum, I'm not very familiar with Linux. I changed to 'rockbox-devel/tools' dir and typed 'buildzip.pl' + enter, but nothing happened. |
23:14:20 | Bagder | ww2-: do ./buildzip.pl (with a ./ before the file name to make it search in the current dir) |
23:14:29 | ww2- | ah, ok |
23:14:51 | mirak | Bagder: [v]"+r"(value) that's fot output |
23:14:53 | ww2- | user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/tools$ ./buildzip.pl |
23:14:53 | ww2- | -bash: ./buildzip.pl: Permission denied |
23:14:56 | mirak | for |
23:15:15 | Mikachu | ww2-: chmod +x buildzip.pl |
23:15:23 | mirak | why [v] is added ? I guess %0 could be used instead ? |
23:16:08 | ww2- | heh, it works. Thanks to both of you. |
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23:16:47 | mirak | also on some tutorials they use =r instead of +r |
23:17:50 | ww2- | Mikachu: +x is exec permission? |
23:17:55 | Mikachu | yes |
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23:46:32 | hotwire_ | anybody online with any of the iriver remotes? |
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23:56:34 | tucoz | hotwire_, I am. But I have no idea where it is :) |
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23:58:00 | Davide-NYC | hotwire_: hey hotwire, you here? |