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#rockbox log for 2006-08-19

00:00:19peturhehe... was investigating a strange glitch (beep) in a recent recording. Looking at the waveform, it must have been a glitch in the PA :)
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00:01:01jhMikeSThe progress bar always seems to stop 2 seconds before the end of the recorded file.
00:01:18peturlet me try with my current build
00:01:46MikachujhMikeS: that is a "feature"
00:01:55Mikachuoh wait, i think i didn't read everything now :)
00:02:18jhMikeSMikachu: hehe
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00:04:00jhMikeSpeter: 'beer' You're not doing a long recording are you? Just do 10 seconds.
00:04:02 Quit Arathis ()
00:04:14jhMikeSsorry, petur
00:04:39peturplaying back a recording always shows everything correctly till the end
00:05:32jhMikeSI wonder what could be missing from the file at that point.
00:05:44jhMikeSWhen I did the file split the problem was not evident.
00:06:14peturrecord yourself counting to ten
00:06:41peturthen you'll hear what's missing
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00:09:30jhMikeSpetur: did that a whole bunch of times...no audio is missing I don't think.
00:10:00peturdo you get this whit other files (not recorded) ?
00:10:07jhMikeSno
00:10:20jhMikeSI'll verify that actually.
00:10:30jhMikeSDo you use "play" to stop the recording?
00:10:49jhMikeSOr is there some other button I don't know about? :)
00:10:50petur'stop'
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00:11:09jhMikeSPlay is stop on x5
00:11:21jhMikeSlong press
00:11:29peturoh you're on x5
00:11:31jwwolfanyone with time to help?
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00:12:36petur'play' = pause recording on h300
00:12:49jwwolfanyone with exp with patching on cygwin?
00:13:00peturlittle, but shoot
00:13:15jwwolftryingto apply a patch but i keep get hunk errors
00:13:20Davide-NYCjwwolf: have you seen the giude on the wiki>
00:13:22peturah
00:13:24jwwolfyes
00:13:28jwwolfi have the enviroment running
00:13:31jwwolfi am in thebash
00:13:34Mikachujwwolf: if you get errors, you need to fix the patch manually, if you don't know how you are out of luck
00:14:03jwwolfany ideas where to get started doing them manually?
00:14:09jwwolfis it just editing the files by hand?
00:14:12Mikachuyeah
00:14:17Davide-NYCjwwolf: I don;t really know how, but what I've done succesfully is look at the *.rej files and then look at the files that failed to patch
00:14:27Mikachuthat's the one
00:14:30Davide-NYCedit the required files and just recompile
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00:14:44jwwolfwhat are the rej files?
00:14:49Mikachusometimes it's just something nearby that changed that has no effect on what you want to do
00:14:51Davide-NYCit works for me sometime, and I really really don't know shit
00:14:57Davide-NYC:-)
00:15:02Mikachubut sometimes the code you want to patch has changed completely and then it's harder
00:15:09Mikachujwwolf: they're the part of the patch that couldn't be applied
00:15:10jwwolfhmmm
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00:15:14Davide-NYC^^ what mika says
00:15:27jwwolfso i just go in an change them manually?
00:15:46Mikachufor each foo.c.rej, you want to edit foo.c with the changes listed in the .rej file
00:15:57Davide-NYC^^ what mika says
00:16:31Davide-NYChey, does anyone want to chime in on the remote button remapping idea I had? Does anyone know what I'm talkiong about?
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00:20:26[HO]volton the x5 is there any workaround/progress for the button remapping thing for setting the time (navigating from hours to minutes/seconds/date) ?
00:20:49Davide-NYCOK, does ayone have wiki access that wants to update http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ButtonAssignments for all targets?
00:21:02Davide-NYCOr is anyone nuts enought to give me wiki access?
00:21:06Davide-NYC:-)
00:21:33peturwhat, you don't have access yet?
00:22:00Davide-NYCnope
00:22:04Davide-NYChow do I get access.
00:22:06Davide-NYC?
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00:22:17peturgive me your wiki name
00:22:38 Part MadDog011
00:23:09peturI take you've already registered?
00:23:15Davide-NYCI presume that I currently use guest access and that I am now creating a wiki name
00:23:19***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:23:34Davide-NYCunless I registerd and don;t remember
00:23:59Davide-NYCuse my real info
00:24:03Davide-NYCdavide gentile
00:24:13Davide-NYCconcat if necessary
00:24:18Davide-NYCthanks
00:24:39peturdid you register already? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration
00:25:50Davide-NYCdoing
00:25:59peturok
00:26:23peturjust discovered you didn't until now ;)
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00:27:23jwwolfok another question
00:27:59jwwolfwhat in the rej file it list #include dircache.h what this mean lol
00:28:17peturDavide-NYC:done
00:28:23Davide-NYCthanks
00:29:10Davide-NYCpetur: stupid question: is it cool if I expand the ButtonAssignments page to include all targets and remotes?
00:29:45petursorry, haven't followed anything about those button things
00:29:47jwwolfDavide-NYC: is it ok if i pm you since you seem to have some exp wiht manually editing the file?
00:29:59Davide-NYCI have diddly experience.
00:30:05jwwolfoh woops
00:30:08jwwolflol
00:30:08Davide-NYCtrust me I know nothing.
00:30:14peturhaha
00:30:15Davide-NYC:-P
00:30:35jwwolfpetur? would you know how to progress in manually editing the files?
00:31:04Bagderjwwolf: load the file in a text editor, fix the flaws
00:31:07Bagderrecompile
00:31:18Bagderit takes some programming knowledge
00:31:20Davide-NYCpetur: if you have a sec chack the images in this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5851.msg45257#msg45257
00:31:23Bagderat times a lot
00:31:28jwwolfi dont understand whatthe erriors are commenting on
00:31:29Mikachujwwolf: what patch are we talking about?
00:31:39jwwolfipod_brightness.patch
00:31:46Mikachuah
00:31:55jwwolfand a few other ones as well but that is the main one i am consentrating on
00:32:02Mikachui think it was decided it uses too much cpu to be included
00:32:11jwwolfoh
00:32:29jwwolfwhat about list.opti.and.scroll.accel.patch?
00:32:41Mikachuwhat it does is turn the backlight on and off 50 times or so per second, so it looks like it is dimmed
00:32:45Mikachui don't know
00:32:51jwwolfoh
00:33:03Paul_The_NerdThat's not *quite* how it works.
00:33:09Mikachuthat's what fades do too, but they only last for a second so it doesn't matter
00:33:18Paul_The_NerdIsn't it the voltage to the LED that's fluctuated, not really it's on/off state?
00:33:31Mikachuit's turned on and off
00:33:31 Quit ender` (" It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then it's fun and games you can't see.")
00:33:37Paul_The_NerdEither way, it requires the CPU to be boosted the whole time.
00:33:55amiconn?
00:33:55Mikachurequires in the sense that switching boost state makes the screen flicker
00:34:02Mikachuamiconn: am i lying?
00:34:03jwwolfseems like all the patches are not finding the correct files?
00:34:18amiconnMikachu: Not on ipod
00:34:23jwwolfmost have no such file or directory
00:34:29amiconnThe pp timer is independent of the cpu clock
00:34:46Mikachuhm, i see
00:34:54Mikachubut it still uses too much cpu to flip the enable bit?
00:35:00amiconnBut using pwm for the ipod backlight just feels wrong
00:35:15Mikachui don't know how the original firmware fades it :(
00:35:28jwwolfwhat about the audioscrobbler patch?
00:35:31Mikachui think preglow said it probably did pwm too but much faster
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00:35:36amiconnAfaik the ipod can set backlight brightness somehow, but we need to figure out how
00:36:04Mikachuif you shake the ipod quickly while fading in rockobx, you can see the lcd turn on and off, but in retail os it's a constant lower light
00:36:19peturjwwolf: if it can't find the files, use -px where x is 0 to ... or go to the correct directory before patching
00:36:20Mikachu(not a recommended procedure with hd based ipods)
00:37:12amiconnWell, as long as the disk isn't spinning, shaking shouldn't hurt
00:37:18jwwolfso i should put the patches in the main cvs and then call it via patch in the say firmware folder?
00:37:39amiconnshaking causes way lower g forces than e.g. dropping on a hard floor
00:37:51Mikachuthat is also not recommended :)
00:37:55jwwolfhaha
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00:38:37peturjwwolf: all depends on the patch, most are done from the rockbox directory (which has the apps, firmware,... dirs)
00:38:49jwwolfthats what i though
00:38:51jwwolf*t
00:38:59jwwolfhmm
00:39:04Mikachuif you look at the patch you can figure out what number to use
00:39:14Mikachuthe x in -px says how many leading path segments to strip
00:39:29jwwolf?
00:39:49Mikachufoo/bar/baz has three path segments, -p1 would leave bar/baz
00:40:08Mikachuso if the patch says apps/main.c you want to say -p0 and sit in the main rockbox cvs dir
00:40:17jwwolfoh
00:40:20Mikachuif it says only main.c you want to be in apps/
00:40:27Mikachuif it says rockbox/apps/main.c you want to be in the main dir and say -p1
00:40:34jwwolfso if it goes to firmware i would -p1 then?
00:41:03Mikachuthat depends on where you are
00:41:21jwwolfapps/SOURCES i would do -p0 correct from the main cvsroot?
00:41:26Mikachuyeah
00:41:31jwwolflet me try that
00:41:40Mikachuyou could also just try until it works but that's not as fun as knowing what's going on
00:41:48jwwolfyeah
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00:49:23jwwolfhow do you read a rejects file,not open it up but read what it means?
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00:51:43Paul_The_NerdLook at it in a text viewer of some sort?
00:51:53Mikachua reject file is meant for a human to read
00:52:04Paul_The_NerdIt's a file containing C code, and telling you which lines to substitute for other lines
00:52:18Mikachuit may or may not have c code :)
00:52:53Paul_The_NerdOkay, it *may* have some assembly
00:52:57Paul_The_NerdBut that's fairly unlikely
00:53:14Paul_The_NerdOr it may have tex
00:53:19jwwolfi guess im not understanding how i go about editing the corresponding file that has the rejects in it?
00:53:20Paul_The_NerdBut in this case, it's most likely to have C code.
00:53:54Mikachujwwolf: the reject file has a line number and some text with - and + in front of them
00:54:03Mikachugo to the file and line it specifies, and remove lines with - and add lines with +
00:54:08Bagderjwwolf: you see what changes that it could do in the original file and then you need to convert those into changes you _can_ do in the original file
00:54:15Bagderhm
00:54:20Bagdermy typing sucks
00:54:24*Bagder runs off again
00:55:07jwwolfso it says 63,68 then an #include "direcache'h" what isthat refering to?
00:55:32Paul_The_NerdThat's a line in the file that should be...
00:55:42jwwolf?
00:55:48Paul_The_NerdLike, whatever file you should be editing has the line #include "dircache.h" in it
00:55:50Paul_The_NerdOr should have it.
00:55:50Mikachujwwolf: the NAME of the reject file says which file you should edit
00:55:58Mikachui told you this earlier
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00:56:17Bagderthe 63,68 are line numbers where the diff was made
00:56:18jwwolfyes
00:56:26jwwolfthere identical
00:56:38Mikachui think maybe this is a lost cause
00:56:43jwwolfwhy?
00:56:51jwwolfim trying to understand it
00:56:59jwwolfbut it dosent make sense
00:57:04Paul_The_NerdIt makes sense
00:57:05jwwolfthose lines are identical
00:57:07Paul_The_NerdIt doesn't make sense to you.
00:57:16jwwolf63-68 have the exact same lines
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00:58:08Paul_The_NerdIs that "63 through 68" because that's what - usually means?
00:58:26jwwolf?
00:58:36Paul_The_NerdYou said "63-68 have the exact same lines"
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00:58:48Paul_The_NerdThat would read, if spoken, "63 through 68 have..."
00:58:53Paul_The_NerdWhich does in fact make no sense.
00:58:53jwwolfyes in the rej file is says that and on the .c file it says the same thing
00:59:13Mikachujwwolf: does the rej file have lines that start with - and +?
00:59:21jwwolfyes some parts
00:59:24Paul_The_NerdThe .rej file will have a lot of what the .c file have, because it has to show you what the "old" lines look like
01:00
01:00:04Davide-NYCdoes archos have an ftp server?
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01:00:27jwwolfcan i post the excerpt of thescript is is 6 lines ?
01:01:18Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: Google pastebin, post it there, and then post a link to it.
01:01:26jwwolfi know pastebin
01:04:23[HO]voltWhat does the "sleep" option do on my iAudio x5 ?
01:04:32[HO]voltDoes it turn off the LCD as I would expect?
01:04:35Mikachudid you read the manual?
01:04:42jwwolfhttp://pastebin.com/771574
01:04:58[HO]voltMikachu: Yes, the manual only references sleep as relating to hard drives
01:05:08Paul_The_Nerd[HO]volt: And the sleep timer?
01:05:26Paul_The_NerdI don't know of any straight "Sleep" option without any other words...
01:05:43[HO]voltSorry its called "Sleep (After Backlight Off)"
01:06:00Mikachuit might refer to turning the lcd off
01:06:13[HO]voltOptions are Always, Never, 5s 10s 15s 20s 30s 45s 60s
01:06:31Paul_The_NerdI'm guessing that's LCD Poweroff then, tough it needs a better name if it is.
01:06:43Paul_The_Nerd"Sleep" usually refers to the whole player, rather than just a single part of it.
01:06:54Rudy4PezAgreed.
01:07:09Mikachu[HO]volt: is it in fact under the LCD settings menu?
01:07:16[HO]voltMikachu: Yes
01:07:29Mikachuthen try setting it to 5s and see what happens
01:07:31[HO]voltIt isnt covered very well in the manual either
01:07:42[HO]voltAfter the backlight turns off I can't see anything even under a light
01:07:43Mikachuprobably a newly added option
01:07:46jwwolfdid that pastbin work?
01:08:04Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: Pastebin's being horribly slow
01:08:19jwwolfyeah i noticed
01:09:04[HO]voltIt seems as if my LCD is powering off when it goes dark - I can't see anything even under a light
01:09:15Mikachu[HO]volt: is it set to always?
01:09:19[HO]voltThis is with Backlight set to 5s and LCD Poweroff set to 10s
01:09:32Mikachuthen i don't know what else to try
01:10:04[HO]voltApparently i _should_ see something under a light when the backlight is off (and LCD on) right?
01:10:20Mikachuthat would seem like a reasonable assumption
01:13:21hotwire__does anyone know what each button the the lcd remotes are currently assigned to?
01:13:24Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: Okay, notice how the lines that are identical do not have a - or + before them?
01:13:44Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: That's because they don't change... thus the whole "identical" thing.
01:13:54jwwolfthe ones with the + are the exact same on the other file
01:14:14Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: So, the other file already has #include "scrobbler.h"?
01:14:19jwwolfyes
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01:14:33Paul_The_NerdThen go on to the next one.
01:14:54jwwolfthere identical
01:14:57jwwolfall of them i checked
01:14:59Paul_The_Nerd"They're"
01:15:10Paul_The_NerdAlso, did you try applying the patch more than once or something?
01:15:17jwwolfno
01:15:21Paul_The_NerdIt sounds like you didn't *just* apply this patch to clean CVS sources.
01:15:47jwwolfi redownloaded the cvs just moments ago after the last patch failed
01:15:59Paul_The_NerdOkay, and did you delete all the .rej files?
01:16:09Paul_The_NerdAre you sure this one was created by the most recent patching attempt, and not an older one?
01:17:04jwwolfyes
01:17:21jwwolfthe entire rockbox was deleted and redownloaded after the patch failed
01:17:36Paul_The_NerdSo, you've only run "patch whatever.patch" exactly once?
01:17:41Paul_The_NerdOn this new set of source code?
01:17:47jwwolfyes
01:18:21Paul_The_NerdAnd you're using the official sources, downloaded using the cvs command?
01:18:30jwwolfyes
01:18:49Paul_The_NerdThere's something you're not telling me.
01:18:52jwwolfhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile <using that link verbaitem
01:19:10Paul_The_NerdBecause if you tried to apply the patch, and it *didn't* those lines would not exist.
01:19:12MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: the patch is rather old
01:19:15Paul_The_NerdAnd if it did, it wouldn't put them in the .rej
01:19:24Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Yeah, but #include "scrobbler.h" is not in the CVS sources
01:19:25Mikachuif we're still talking about the backlight
01:19:30Mikachuoh, that's no backlight
01:19:41jwwolfno its the scrobller.patch
01:20:49Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: You're not telling me something. That line is not in the official sources. The fact that it's in the .rej means that the run of the "patch" command that created the .rej did not add the file. You either didn't rm -rf the whole rockbox folder (cvs won't simply overwrite it for you without extra commands), or something else is going on.
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01:20:57hotwire__Paul_The_Nerd: can you tell me what the 3 buttons are currently assigned to on the iriver lcd remote?
01:21:15Paul_The_Nerdhotwire__: Unfortunately, my remote is broken, so I cannot.
01:21:19*Paul_The_Nerd has not yet ordered a new one.
01:22:01jwwolfi dont know waht welse to say paul, i followed that link verbaitem and followed the cygwin setup verbaitem, and the patch link
01:22:03Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: Either way, the unmodified file does not have #include "scrobbler.h" in it, so your file has become modified through *something* that you did.
01:22:41jwwolfi havent done anything else to the file
01:23:07Mikachumaybe the patch is broken?
01:23:27Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Only if it's trying to add that line more than once in the original patch.
01:23:39Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Which means the patch would've *never* applied in the past.
01:24:03Mikachumaybe there're more patches in the tracker item but he downloaded the oldest one?
01:24:16Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: So, let me get this straight. You have no rockbox source. You run cvs to download it. Immediately after that, you do "patch -p0 scrobbler.patch" exactly ONCE. You do nothing else, PERIOD, and this happens?
01:24:29jwwolfyes
01:24:32Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Either way, a patch with that flaw would never have applied even to old sources.
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01:24:53Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: Link me to the patch you're using
01:24:59jwwolfsec
01:25:17jwwolfhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166
01:25:26Paul_The_NerdThe actual file, please
01:25:31Paul_The_NerdThe specific one that you downloaded
01:25:36Paul_The_NerdNot the tracker entry
01:25:49jwwolfhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11498
01:25:59MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: what do i win?
01:26:06Mikachujwwolf: the oldest patches are at the top, you want to scroll down
01:26:34jwwolfyes i got the patch from the 15th
01:26:35Mikachuhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=12155 looks like the one you want
01:26:59Mikachuthe one you linked to is the original patch from 17 april
01:30:12A_MWhat does it mean when I get tons of "Clock skew detected" warnings?
01:31:15linuxstbWhen running make?
01:31:31Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: So, which patch do you have exactly?
01:31:49Paul_The_NerdThe new one, or the old one?
01:31:57jwwolfaugest 15th
01:32:07Paul_The_NerdAnd is that the one you linked me?
01:32:13A_Myup, as well as a bunch of "/bla bla bla/* has modification time (some low value) seconds in future"
01:32:14Paul_The_NerdBecause Mikachu says that's the 17 april one.
01:32:16jwwolfno its not
01:32:23Mikachuit certainly is
01:32:41jwwolfi mean iwas aggreeing that it is the april 17th one
01:32:49linuxstbA_M: It just means those files have modification times in the future.
01:33:11Paul_The_Nerdjwwolf: But the file you pointed me to is the one you're trying to use?
01:33:27A_Mhuh? and how exactly did that happen? and compared to what, the time of the CVS server or my local time on my computer?
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01:33:47linuxstbA_M: Is your computer's time accurate?
01:34:35A_Mreasonably, the thing is the modification time is never more than like 2 seconds (usually less) into the future
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01:35:05linuxstbUsing vmware?
01:35:13A_Mcygwin
01:35:13*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why "patch" won't work in his VMWare anymore
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01:35:49linuxstbA_M: I'm not sure what's causing it then... But the solution would seem to be to wait two seconds.
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01:43:29Paul_The_NerdAny idea why, when I type "patch" or try to patch, it just sits there and does nothing?
01:43:36*Paul_The_Nerd is using vmware.
01:43:52Paul_The_NerdIt worked in the past, and I just tried two different images, so I can only really assume VMWare itself hates me now.
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01:44:26midkayPaul_The_Nerd: haha. no idea.. by the way, did you want me to make some more badges the other day?
01:44:49Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I've been told Admin and Moderator badges would be nifty.
01:45:01sharpeMaybe eve spiffy, too.
01:45:02*Paul_The_Nerd is still trying to get in contact with Jeff.
01:45:04midkaydo you agree with that suggestion? :)
01:45:05sharpeeven...
01:45:09Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Indeed I do.
01:45:34Paul_The_NerdI've tried emailing Jeff, and leaving him a PM over at his forums, I've tried using his AIM screenname even. He's a hard guy to get a response from.
01:45:35midkayPaul_The_Nerd: alright, i can make those now then..
01:45:39midkayhm. :\
01:45:54midkayyou really need to get ftp access and stuff..
01:46:02Paul_The_NerdIt would help a lot, I feel.
01:46:17midkayi feel the same, and i'd be glad to let him know if he's ever around.
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01:46:44FebsPaul_The_Nerd, if I can get in touch with Jeff, how should he contact you?
01:47:21Paul_The_NerdFebs: paul_the_nerd@gmail.com is the best way.
01:47:25Paul_The_NerdEerrr
01:47:27Paul_The_NerdPaulthenerd
01:47:35Paul_The_NerdNo _s
01:47:42*Paul_The_Nerd forgot his own email address for a second.
01:48:11Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Admins are Red, Moderators are Blue (like, bright blue compared to prior ones. Almost pure blue)
01:48:21MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: you probably mistyped the command
01:48:29MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: the < is of utmost importance :)
01:48:35Mikachuyou can use -i if it makes you feel better
01:48:41Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Hrm. It's possible I did.
01:48:44midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i had something colored "rather blue" and it was deemed a bit hard to see as in too blue.. dunno about pure blue..
01:48:47Mikachuotherwise you are telling patch to patch the patch with what you type in manually
01:48:52Mikachuwow that was a nice sentence
01:48:53Paul_The_NerdMikachu: To be honest, I probably did.
01:49:06Paul_The_NerdIt's been a while since I've applied a patch, it seems
01:49:19Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: That was the "coder" one, wasn't it?
01:49:21Mikachuby default patch just reads stdin, and < tells the shell to connect a file to stdin
01:49:35midkayPaul_The_Nerd: maybe.. the issue is readability, though.
01:49:37Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Right, yeah... thankee. I feel a bit sheepish now.
01:49:39Mikachuthat way you can for example bzcat file.patch.bz2 | patch -p1
01:49:43midkaywe have.. green for Expert, red for Developer..
01:49:51midkaydo we have artist and coder? i made those before..
01:49:54Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Ah. Maybe a dark blue border with a gradient to brighter blue text?
01:50:00midkayone was like purple, one was bluish?
01:50:03Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I have the files, I haven't uploaded them yet.
01:50:06midkayalright.
01:50:44MikachuPaul_The_Nerd: or if you have a patch applied, and there is a second patch which includes the first, you can interdiff patch1 patch2 | patch -p1
01:50:52Mikachuinstead of first reverting patch 1
01:50:54midkayadmins are red? we already have red Developer..
01:50:59Mikachui'll stop now
01:51:46Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: http://70.112.165.230/rbicon/ should show the current accepted icons. Two are of course those already in use.
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01:52:05Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Hm...
01:52:10FebsPaul_The_Nerd, I posted a message for Jeff in the Mistic River admin forum. We'll see if it gets any attention.
01:52:17Paul_The_NerdFebs: Thank you muchly
01:52:45FebsI also asked if the MR admins can help us out. I'll let you know if I can get any response.
01:52:49midkaywe could have burgundy for.. something..
01:53:15Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, it doesn't have to be red. I can pick a new color. They're just red at the moment. Silly red stars.
01:53:21midkayhaha.
01:53:24midkayi'm looking.. i mean..
01:53:29midkayi don't see many usable colors.
01:53:35midkayyellow/orange are out, they blend in..
01:53:43midkayi ended up at a dark red which looks rather nice..
01:54:13midkayor this bluish..
01:54:21Paul_The_NerdAs long as it's not likely to, at a too quick glance, be confused with existing icons.
01:54:58midkayneon-blue.. eeeuch..
01:55:13Mikachudo they have to be stars?
01:55:28midkayit'll be a rockbox tag..
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01:55:36midkayalright.. glowing burgundy.
01:56:31midkayPaul_The_Nerd: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1531/rockboxadmindo4.gif ?
01:56:33Paul_The_NerdMikachu: The stars are the old thing. We're replacing it with friendly badges like Devs get.
01:56:46midkayhaha. friendly badges. :)
01:56:54Paul_The_NerdHrm.
01:57:18Paul_The_NerdMy only concern is that it's not clear that it's a forum admin. It might give the impression that I'm some sort of "Rockbox Admin" and then people would ask me to get patches committed for them.
01:57:36Paul_The_NerdBut I'm not sure how to resolve that.
01:57:36midkayhm.. wait..
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01:59:05Paul_The_NerdWell, besides me, the only other "Administrator" who posts is LinusN.
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01:59:31midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i've got it.
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02:00:02midkayPaul_The_Nerd: http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3716/rockboxadmin2vg3.gif ?
02:00:53Paul_The_NerdWorks for me.
02:01:30midkayk, then.. moderator..
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02:04:06Paul_The_NerdThere's technically two types of moderator, but we don't really have any that aren't "Global Moderator" and I don't expect to be assigning moderators for specific forums any time soon.
02:04:10Paul_The_NerdOr rather, ever.
02:04:30midkayhmm.. we're presssed for space..
02:04:40midkay"moderator" is rather long to fit on any line even by itself..
02:04:51midkaywhat about "FORUM MOD" split up across two lines in the forum admin style?
02:05:35Paul_The_NerdWorks just fine for me.
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02:05:58Paul_The_NerdThere's a text title to go with it for those few people who don't know what "Mod" is short for anyway
02:06:07midkayah. good.
02:06:10midkaythat was my concern.
02:07:03A_MWas anyone here involved in writing, or is otherwise very familiar with, the text scrolling code?
02:07:28midkayPaul_The_Nerd: http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9940/rockboxmodfz3.gif
02:08:03Paul_The_NerdI like it
02:08:18Paul_The_NerdOkay, those are both as of now officially "Accepted" unless someone comes up with a nice good reason not to use them
02:08:52midkayhaha.
02:09:06*midkay challenges anyone.. ANYONE... to try and come up with a good reason.
02:11:25scorcheapparently, that "anyone" is supposed to be me, and the reason is supposed to be because "they're ugly" (cept for the mod one)
02:11:33midkayhaha.
02:11:36midkaygotta go, laters.
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02:15:57Davide-NYChotwire__: hey hotwire
02:16:05Davide-NYCwhat exactly would you like me to do?
02:16:16Davide-NYCreffering to diagrams etc
02:16:24Davide-NYCiriver remotes and such.
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03:25:03Paul_The_Nerdhotwire__: Your PM has been responded to on the forums, btw. Didn't realize you were in here as well.
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03:32:09webguest09can someone help me with the rockbox VMware image?
03:32:49Paul_The_NerdWhat problem are you having?
03:33:27webguest09is there a specific place that i have to extract the 7zip file?
03:33:34Paul_The_NerdNo
03:33:53webguest09hmmm
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03:34:19webguest09when i open the Rockbox.vmx file, i get this error:
03:34:22webguest09Cannot open the disk 'D:\Program Files\VMware\Images\rockbox.vmdk' or one of the snapshot disks it depends on.
03:34:29webguest09Reason: The file specified is not a virtual disk.
03:34:49Paul_The_NerdAre rockbox.vmdk and rockbox-flat.vmdk in the same folder?
03:34:59webguest09yes
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03:35:11Paul_The_Nerdrockbox-flat.vmdk is approximately 2 gigabytes?
03:35:38webguest09about 1 - it didnt extract properly?
03:35:59BHSPitLappymaybe not
03:36:03Paul_The_NerdSounds like it didn't.
03:36:16webguest09let me try it again then
03:38:01webguest09oh - i just noticed that it is giving me an error - heh heh..
03:38:22webguest09"Error - operation failed"
03:38:43webguest09it is only able to extract 896 megabytes of it, it seems
03:38:51Paul_The_NerdRunning out of disk space maybe?
03:39:14Paul_The_NerdOr a bad .7z file perhaps?
03:39:18webguest09possibly - i dont have much
03:39:30webguest09well, i got it off of the rockbox.org mirror
03:39:44Paul_The_NerdBut the download could've been incomplete or bad.
03:39:47Paul_The_Nerd192,849,530 bytes?
03:40:21webguest09about that
03:40:58webguest09let me clean out my temp folders and i will try again
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03:57:59webguest09heh - that worked
03:58:00webguest09thanks
03:59:13preglowhef
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04:37:09keiljhello people
04:40:11aliaskhello
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05:00:55Davide-NYChotwire__: hey hotwire, I just saw your PM
05:01:08Davide-NYCI still do not exactly understand what it si you want me to do
05:01:15Davide-NYCyou in here?
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05:07:38daurn|laptop.
05:12:59Davide-NYChotwire_: ping
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05:29:14keiljhello again, im having a bir of trouble with compiling rockbox
05:29:17keiljbit*
05:29:37keiljive installed cygwin and all teh required components etc
05:30:02vcardenashi... maybe someone can help me... i'm trying to add a menu element in General settings/System/ , i put it in the function "static bool system_settings_menu(void)" from the settings_menu.c file.. after that, i build the code an i'm running it in the simulator but it doesn'y appear.. whats wrong?
05:30:05keiljbut when it comes to the part in which im supposed to select the device im compiling for i cannot get it to work
05:31:07daurn|laptopok
05:31:11daurn|laptopany devs here
05:31:29aliaskEh, sorta
05:31:57daurn|laptopi need help with a new port
05:32:08scorcheand what is the problem you are having?
05:32:23aliaskkeilj: What part? What are you compiling? Rockobox or the cross-compiler?
05:32:24daurn|laptopi'm working on a new port
05:32:36daurn|laptopand i'm having a compile error
05:32:46daurn|laptopand i don't know what i've missed
05:33:04keiljaliask: dont worry, i got it working, i was in teh wrong foler, silly me *blushes*
05:33:29daurn|laptopwho wants the error?
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05:37:28keiljdoes anyone have a link ot the description of how to create the hello world plugin, i cannot for the life of me find where it is
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05:39:19Paul_The_Nerdkeilj: The Hello World plugin already exists, as a sample. For instructions on how to compile, you should probably be reading the SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page.
05:39:43Paul_The_Nerddaurn|laptop: What are you working on a port for? And what's your error (I probably cannot help with it, depending on what it is...)
05:41:21keiljpaul_the_nerd: i was looking for the page that gives basic instructions on what a plugin must have. i remember seeing one using the hellow world plugin as an example
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05:42:23aliaskvcardenas: I assume you recompiled and replaced the old binary...
05:42:47Paul_The_Nerdkeilj: I'm not sure what page, but there should be a .c for a hello world plugin already in the plugins folder.
05:43:21BHSPitLappydaurn|laptop, a PSP port? :P
05:43:30daurn|laptop.. lol
05:43:47vcardenasaliask: yes i do
05:43:56aliaskkeilj: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
05:44:04vcardenasaliak: yes i did it
05:44:22keiljthanks aliask, thats the one
05:44:31aliaskvcardenas: You added the menu item like { ID2P(LANG_WHATEVER), function }, I assume?
05:45:03aliaskkeilj: I wrote that page a while ago, it might be a bit out of date unless someone's updated it
05:45:14keiljthats ok
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05:45:36vcardenasaliask: yes, exactly this line { ID2P(LANG_RANDOM_WPS_STARTUP), random_theme }, but before i added LANG_RANDOM_WPS_STARTUP to the english.lang file
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05:47:47aliaskTry changing the name of the function to something that doesn't exist, and recomiling to see if you're getting errors.
05:48:18vcardenasaliask: ok
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05:50:19vcardenasaliask: i got this error: settings_menu.c:2097: error: ârandom_theme__2â undeclared (first use in this function)
05:51:17aliaskYep, that's what should happen. I'm not 100% familiar with compiling for simulators, maybe you need to do the make install step again?
05:51:40aliaskIt just sounds like the simulator binary isn't being updated if the menu item isn't appearing.
05:52:32vcardenasthe simulator has to be recompiled because the changes in the settins_menu.c file?
05:52:48aliaskYes.
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05:56:02vcardenasummm.. the thing is that i'm using the simulator from rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ for the ipod video, because i'm in windows.... but i'm conected to a PC with Linux through SSH, and i compile the code there then bring it to my PC to teh simulator... how can i compile the simulator to be run in windows?
05:58:49keiljok, ive created my own version of the helloworld plugin but im not sure what i have to do to get it as a .rock file, any help
05:59:14keiljbtw i have cygwin installed and im using bloodshed dev to write the plugin
05:59:23Paul_The_Nerdvcardenas: You pretty much have to compile a windows simulator on a windows machine, at the moment.
05:59:27scorchekeilj: you hav to compile it
05:59:43Paul_The_NerdThe normal development environment isn't really suited for setting up a windows sim on a linux box.
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06:00:08keilji can compile a rockbox build but im not sure how to do it for a plugin, i it the same?
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06:01:32Paul_The_Nerdkeilj: When you compile a full rockbox build it includes all plugins.
06:01:34scorchekeilj: add it to /plugins/sources
06:01:47keiljahh, okies, cheers
06:01:49Paul_The_NerdYou need to make sure the .c file is listed in apps/plugins/SOURCES as scorche just said
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06:02:17vcardenasPaul_The_Nerd: i see... thanks.. and how can i set a development enviroment in windows? i tought that have to be on linux or a linux emulation
06:02:24aliaskvcardenas: That's the situation I'm in. Honestly I don't know how to do it - if you find out tell me :)
06:03:02vcardenasfor linux emulation i mean VMware
06:03:12Paul_The_Nerdvcardenas: Or use Cygwin.
06:03:20Paul_The_Nerdvcardenas: But if you're using VMWare, you can run the simulator in VMWare too.
06:03:42Paul_The_NerdOur VMWare image is a graphical environment and has SDL support, so you can just run the sim in it.
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06:04:28vcardenasbut i can't do that from linux? a windows simulator?
06:05:13Paul_The_NerdDo what from linux?
06:05:23Paul_The_NerdYou can run a linux sim in linux, if you have SDL installed and a graphical environment.
06:05:42vcardenasbecause when im compiling, it ask me if i want to build the (S)DL version
06:05:59Paul_The_NerdYes.
06:06:08Paul_The_NerdIf you compile in linux, you get a linux binary using SDL
06:06:19Paul_The_NerdIf you compile in Cygwin under windows, you get a Cygwin/windows binary using SDL
06:08:40Mikachuyou _can_ compile windows binaries in linux but you really have to know what you're doing
06:08:52vcardenasumm.. i understand, i used the simulator sometimes in linux when i'm in there phisically... but now i'm only by SSH because im at home... and the PC with the linux is at work.. so i supose that myoptions are to set Cygwin
06:08:55Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Yeah, as I said, the Rockbox development environment isn't really suited to it.
06:09:06Paul_The_NerdYou'd have to do some makefile mojo and use different compilers, I imagine
06:09:13Mikachui'm pulling a classic Mikachu and just reading the last 3 lines
06:09:21BHSPitLappyvcardenas, X tunneling too slow?
06:09:23Paul_The_Nerdvcardenas: Cygwin or VMware
06:10:36*Paul_The_Nerd wonders why VMWare seems to get no love.
06:10:56vcardenasBHSPitLappy: yes, my bandwith is too slow
06:11:40vcardenasonly 128 kbps out and 64 kbps in
06:12:06scorchePaul_The_Nerd: it gets love from me...i finally gave up on cygwin...too slow and generally annoying =)
06:15:04vcardenasthen i will set VMWare, but i supose the image is a big file to download
06:17:23vcardenasthank you very much for the help... i hope to be around... thanks again
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06:23:43sharpei need to find something to do.
06:24:47aliaskmy homework?
06:26:36BHSPitLappymy bidding?
06:26:52sharpemaybe get started on moving some of the thousand "apple ipod general" posts to the respective new forum?
06:27:16aliaskSounds like fun!
06:28:54sharpePaul_The_Nerd: think i should? :)
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06:29:21BHSPitLappyyeah, he does
06:29:39BHSPitLappyorganization is never a wasted expenditure of time
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06:30:33Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Yeah, feel free.
06:31:01Paul_The_NerdI've decided that this sunday I'm going to do the major part of the move, and move front-posts over even though back posts definitely won't be done
06:31:13Paul_The_NerdThen continue the slow backposts move over time
06:31:16Paul_The_NerdI'd rather get the thing finished
06:31:28sharpeeh, sounds reasonable.
06:31:56Paul_The_NerdThere'll be a period where only the newest 10% of posts or so will show up on searches, but of course, for the most part that's not going to change how the majority use the forums anyway
06:32:23sharpenot many people go beyond the first page of posts either.
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06:38:08sharpeAhh. Battery meter sounds like an Interface related thing to me...
06:40:09ww2Hey... I have a question about using .rej files to correctly adapt the source code. How do you figure where in the source to insert the lines with "+" in front of them? I suppose you can't just add them to the end of the file?
06:40:10scorchePaul_The_Nerd: any way i can get in on this?...sounds like something to cure my boredom
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06:41:49daurn|laptophey
06:41:57daurn|laptopi need help with button code
06:43:29ww2=/
06:44:13daurn|laptopbutton_read_device
06:44:16daurn|laptopplease aid me
06:45:32Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Un momento por favor
06:45:35BHSPitLappydaurn|laptop, last time you asked for help, you got a reply that you didn't respond to :/
06:46:07Paul_The_Nerdscorche: I'll make you an expert in the forums on the condition that y'know, you don't do anything stupid. That'll give you the power to move posts, which is what's necessary for all this. What's your forum name?
06:46:21scorchePaul_The_Nerd: scorche
06:46:26sharpeDamn.
06:46:40Paul_The_NerdThat's what I thought
06:46:51daurn|laptopBHSPitLappy: where?
06:46:55Paul_The_NerdOh, the forums are DOWN. That's the problem
06:46:56*Paul_The_Nerd mutters
06:47:13sharpeAll I did was move one post... :D
06:47:45Paul_The_NerdIt was MR's server being mean
06:47:49Paul_The_NerdThe MR forums weren't there either
06:47:53BHSPitLappydaurn|laptop, 4 min. before I asked if it was a PSP port
06:47:55BHSPitLappy"<Paul_The_Nerd> daurn|laptop: What are you working on a port for? And what's your error (I probably cannot help with it, depending on what it is...)"
06:48:29Paul_The_NerdBHSPitLappy: He PMed me, and I helped as far as I could
06:48:33BHSPitLappyah.
06:48:42BHSPitLappymy mistake.
06:49:01BHSPitLappywell, in any case I was curious as to the answer to the question as well :P
06:49:04Paul_The_Nerdscorche: You now have the power to organize posts. The plan is described in the a post of mine in the Administration forum. You'll see waaaay too many forums right now.
06:49:08BHSPitLappyhehe
06:49:11Paul_The_NerdI still don't know what it's for.
06:49:18Paul_The_NerdBut it sounds like it's HWCODEC
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06:49:31daurn|laptopna
06:49:34daurn|laptopi looked through
06:49:44daurn|laptopand its just gotta be anything cept SWCODEC
06:49:45scorchePaul_The_Nerd: alright...i will get right on it =)
06:50:06Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Right now, while the forums are "open" any posts not on the first 3 pages of a section are fair game for moving
06:50:23scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i figured as much
06:50:55sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Would a post concerning an installer merit to be in the respective installation forum?
06:51:16Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Indeed.
06:52:23sharpeHaha, what about uninstalling?
06:52:29Paul_The_NerdSame
06:52:40Paul_The_NerdI'd call removal a subset of installation
06:53:49sharpeHmm... finding ones concerning installation are pretty easy to find...
06:54:48Paul_The_NerdHopefully once there are installation problems, the people with the questions will realize that too
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07:11:54sharpeWow. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3946.0
07:12:18daurn|laptopwhere is button BASE address defined?
07:13:32scorchesharpe: the recent post in "new ports" made me giggle a bit more
07:14:10sharpeHahaha
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07:35:35sharpeWell, I'm pretty sure I've moved all obvious posts about installation for the ipods.
07:36:33sharpeFrom the General forum anyway.
07:37:24sharpeFrom pages greater than three...
07:38:40sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Scorche wants me to ask you to keep track of who moves what so we can have a contest to see who moves the most posts, to get an undetermined prize.
07:38:47scorchehaha
07:39:17fatherforkoo, the winner can buy my powerbook
07:39:28fatherfork(no discount)
07:39:40scorchefatherfork: which was able to be searched last night after you left
07:39:52fatherforkindeed, thanks for that
07:40:55fatherforkdid it take longer than two more hours? just curious.
07:41:20scorcheslightly...it usually just depends on how busy ebay is at the time
07:41:26fatherforkyeah, alrighty
07:42:11Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: There's no real way to track it without rewriting the forum software.
07:42:44sharpe:D
07:42:55*Paul_The_Nerd is looking forward to the protests when the forums change.
07:42:57scorchePaul_The_Nerd: unless you wanted to count each change one by one ;)
07:43:00Paul_The_NerdAny bets on how many people will get upset?
07:43:25Mikachu3
07:43:34scorche4 or more
07:43:37sharpe4-10?
07:43:40Paul_The_NerdI suspect there will be people quite upset about the lack of a forum for their player.
07:43:56fatherfork1 or more
07:43:59Mikachuis that not a good thing to have?
07:44:04Paul_The_NerdAs it is, there's at least one person irritated I haven't move X5 out of the "New Ports" section and given it the respect it deserves.
07:44:28Mikachuisn't ipod also a new port?
07:44:31Paul_The_NerdMikachu: We're trying to move from player-centric forums to forums that emphasize the fact that it's one piece of software that runs on several types of hardware.
07:44:53Mikachustill, there will be lots of people with playerspecific problems
07:44:54scorchei am excited for the change...it means that i will get to do more reading on the forums overall
07:45:03Mikachui never use the forums though so don't care about me
07:45:07Paul_The_NerdMikachu: Ipod was more supported before the 3.0 freeze than X5 was, which is when it got its forums, during the freeze.
07:45:15sharpescorche: You're just saying that because you have an Expert tag now... :)
07:45:20Paul_The_NerdMikachu: There are *very* few real player specific problems.
07:45:44Paul_The_NerdAt least, outside of "Installation" and removal
07:45:46Mikachui think the criteria for a new port should be there is no stable release for it?
07:45:54Mikachuwhich is currently everything :)
07:45:58fatherforkmost are patch related
07:46:04Paul_The_NerdThere won't actually be any player specific sections any more.
07:46:08Paul_The_NerdOutside of the installation categories.
07:46:20Paul_The_NerdBased on install process, rather than real hardware distinctions.
07:46:20scorchesharpe: nope...before, i just read the archos, general, and new ports sections because i did not want to wade throught he ipod installing problems
07:46:47sharpescorche: So you left the iPod forums to me... how nice...
07:46:55scorcheyup
07:47:12sharpeHey, that means we have like, four Experts now. Haha...
07:47:20Paul_The_NerdAfter the change categories will be stuff like "Playback" "Recording" "Hardware" "User Interface" to focus on the software rather than the players.
07:47:29Paul_The_NerdAnd I've given in and created an "Unsupported Builds" forum.
07:47:41Paul_The_NerdI'm hoping that naming it that makes it pretty clear not to ask questions about them outside that forum
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07:50:04fatherforkI think that will be a good setup
07:50:20Paul_The_NerdWe're hoping so.
07:50:35Paul_The_NerdIt may confuse people, or irritate them, but it should help focus discussion where it actually belongs.
07:50:35sharpeAhh, I suppose I'll go move some unsupported build posts now...
07:50:55Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: Stop for a second
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07:51:24Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I'd like to just move the "Major" threads there, which will come at the real change. People asking questions about unsupported builds, and being yelled at by me to post in the right place, should probably mostly go to trash
07:51:37Paul_The_NerdI'd like it to try to be organized at one thread per build in that forum, if at all possible
07:52:10scorchehrm....i am just picking a forum, and moving backwards
07:52:37sharpeSo just the actual unsupported build post to the right forum?
07:53:25Paul_The_NerdYeah. And most of those shouldn't be moved yet since they're very active
07:53:44Paul_The_NerdThe plan is to move them there, and change the thread topic to something like "Ipod 5G, 4G, Nano: Senab's Experimental"
07:53:47sharpeWas going to say it shouldn't take long, not may are after page three...
07:54:28Paul_The_NerdWhat I plan to do is move the first three pages of every forum on sunday, regardless of back-page progress, then hide the old forums, finish working through them over time, and remove them once they're done.
07:54:50scorchePaul_The_Nerd: should posts with no reply after a question go in the trash? (these are posts from 2004 that still have not gotten an answer)
07:55:03sharpeWow, I just realized. Searching for the posts with a certain age will be so much easier.
07:55:08Paul_The_NerdI was gonna try to move the back-pages all first, but it's slower than I expected just to do it, and I ended up busy this week.
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07:55:54Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Yeah, basically any post you feel is irrelevant, or useless for people to search for, or just simply outdated "OMG the WIKI IS MISSING" should go there.
07:56:03sharpeI would say month old posts are a good cut-off date?
07:56:04Paul_The_NerdI'll review them before permanent deletion anyway.
07:56:31Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: I can actually prune all posts older than a certain age, ruling out stickies, but I've decided not to do that just yet.
07:57:09scorcheif we are going to prune, i will go from page 4 forwards then
07:57:19Paul_The_NerdI'm probably not pruning.
07:57:23sharpeI meant that for using the search to find, to move to their new forum.
07:57:28Paul_The_NerdIf I do, though, it'll be at the one year mark, or so
07:57:49scorchemeh...then i will keep at it the way i am
07:58:38Paul_The_NerdI just don't really like the idea of arbitrarily pruning
07:59:03sharpeJust because nobody's replied to it in a year, doesn't mean it's not worth reading... :D
07:59:05Paul_The_NerdI already deleted a post I thought was worthless and got a PM asking me why I did it, because the person was subscribed to the thread, still hoping for an answer on a year 'n a half old post.
07:59:24scorchepatient fellow
07:59:35fatherforkindeed
07:59:38scorchewe dont get many of those 'round here
07:59:47sharpescorche: I was about to say that.
07:59:52fatherforkno, because I want it now
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08:00:06Mikachuhye guys can you help me? /part
08:00:26markun:)
08:01:18scorchePaul_The_Nerd: yeah...us moving the items should be enough pruning...i just got through one telling the other person that we dont yet have a gmini port =)
08:01:34scorcheplus, there are many valid archos hardware issues that are older
08:01:49Paul_The_NerdYup
08:01:55Paul_The_NerdI much prefer human pruning.
08:02:51aliaskThe wiki is dead...
08:03:20Paul_The_NerdOh, and things for the Announcements forum are primarily stuff like the one I put there (Bagder's announcement of the 2.5 freeze) but as well things like when it was announced that the playback engine rewrite might cause all kinds of funky problems (there were actually three identical posts for that one, in hardware specific forums, back then)
08:04:22sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Should something like http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4597.0 be moved to the Unsupported builds forum?
08:05:13Paul_The_NerdYup. Change the title to "iPod Nano: JiC.420's build"... Always include the author's name in the title, as well as what they choose to call it if the build has an actual name.
08:05:27sharpeRight then.
08:05:31Paul_The_NerdI feel like showing the author's name is the best way to differentiate what build it is. I'm tired of having 4 or 5 different "Experimental" builds
08:05:41scorcheoo...we used to have an archos installer?
08:08:01Paul_The_NerdThere is one with 2.5
08:09:26scorcheas if it isnt easy enough to just unzip to root...
08:09:30Paul_The_NerdYeah
08:09:50fatherforkmy random interjections have fizzled, and the bed summons. Good luck with the forums guys.
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08:10:13sharpeHmm... 'Special' builds seem to be a recent fad.
08:11:37Paul_The_NerdIn the past there were a few people posting binaries with just their one patch to make it easier for people to try that patch.
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08:12:47scorchePaul_The_Nerd: might i suggest that for the *new* posts in the hardware, we make a rule to preface the topic name with applicable hardware devices?
08:14:06Paul_The_Nerdscorche: That is in fact planned.
08:14:41Paul_The_NerdThere's going to be a "GUIDELINES FOR POSTING IN THIS FORUM" sticky in each forum, applicable to all future posts, and I plan to be stricter about enforcing them after the change.
08:14:59scorchealright...just making sure =)
08:15:04sharpeI think the caps should be included in that sticky title.
08:15:09Paul_The_NerdIn fact the idea is for those, and a category FAQ, to be the only two stickies in each forum with maybe a few small exceptions.
08:15:14Paul_The_NerdOh, the caps are a definite.
08:16:34sharpeAh, should the personalized bootloader post be considered an unsupported build?
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08:18:55sharpeAh, this one isn't the bootloader one.
08:19:36lexmarkun: hey, i bought a virtual server :)
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08:22:15sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Would "All iPods: ..." suffice for the target portion of the title? Or list all the targets?
08:22:36Paul_The_NerdI prefer a list
08:22:54Paul_The_NerdSeeing as if we add 2nd gen iPods, the build may not be available for them immediately, or ever
08:23:27sharpeWant me to look through for each iPod this build was done for?
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08:24:06Paul_The_NerdIf you don't mind, that would be appreciated
08:27:24sharpeEh, turns out only two for the 5g's are listed. Woo.
08:30:36sharpePaul_The_Nerd: Would this naming convention be okay? 'Target(s): Author's "<NameOfBuild"> Build'
08:34:13amiconnBagder: Something is wrong with the script that decides whether a commit triggers a build. Committing changes to /apps/plugin/lib only should still trigger a build, but it didn't...
08:36:10amiconnOdd. Now the build started - after the change appeared on the frontpage
08:36:25sharpeamiconn: It's trying to play tricks on you?
08:36:31amiconnhmpf
08:37:20Paul_The_Nerdsharpe: That sounds good
08:37:29midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i don't suppose whatever forum system we use has some kind of sub-forum capability? boards "within" other boards..
08:37:35sharpeAlright, since I already did it.
08:37:43Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: It actually does.
08:37:54Paul_The_NerdI haven't tried it, but it claims to at least
08:37:59Paul_The_NerdI saw an option for making child-boards
08:38:01midkayPaul_The_Nerd: might be something to think about for e.g. the Hardware boards.
08:38:21sharpeThat sounds good...
08:38:37Paul_The_NerdHow would you recommend splitting it? Because it's not going to be for targets.
08:39:09Paul_The_NerdSomething like "ARM, SH1, M68K" or "SWCODEC, HWCODEC" or something?
08:39:24midkayPaul_The_Nerd: no, maybe more like.. hm.. there are several ways you could do it..
08:40:26midkaylike instead of one Hardware board.. have one sub-board for each of the four main brands' boards.
08:40:27Paul_The_NerdOffer up suggestions, then. :)
08:41:02midkayjust for things that seem very general and could use splitting up you could give the manufacturer boards their own subforum instead.
08:41:25hotwire_does anyone have the current assignments for the jogwheels on the iriver lcd remotes?
08:42:07Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The problem is, if I split it by manufacturer, once more anyone with an H300 will post questions randomly there, just because they don't think about it.
08:42:12hotwire_ie which buttons are programmed as which BUTTON_RC_???
08:42:29midkayPaul_The_Nerd: what do you mean? we already have said manufacturer boards. Archos boards, Iriver boards, Apple boards..
08:42:36Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Those are going away.
08:42:50midkayPaul_The_Nerd: .. well, what are they going to be replaced by?
08:43:17Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: There are almost no real hardware specific questions, other than "What button do I press to do this?" which is in the manual anyway
08:43:25scorchemidkay: look at the boards...you are a developer...you should be able to see them
08:43:40Paul_The_NerdQuestions that are hardware specific either relate to installation, which had manufacturer specific boards, or related to implementing said hardware, which goes in the general "Hardware" board.
08:43:47midkayscorche: of course i can see them. i see ARCHOS, IRIVER, APPLE BOARDS. can you NOT see them?
08:43:58Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Notice the category name. "Installation"
08:44:00scorchemidkay: i am referring to the new boards
08:44:06midkayscorche: those are new boards.
08:44:18midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i understand.. so why are these boards even there if they'll be removed?
08:44:28scorchemidkay: no they arent
08:44:32scorchethose are going away
08:44:42midkayscorche: they ARE, but they are also NEW boards.
08:44:49scorchethe installation only
08:44:51Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: In the new boards section, they're in the 'Installation' category
08:44:51midkayi just learned that they're going away, can you read?
08:44:52Paul_The_NerdThose are staying
08:45:04Paul_The_NerdThose are for questions regarding manufacturer-specific installations.
08:45:05midkayalright..
08:45:09midkayunderstood.
08:45:17markunPaul_The_Nerd: Can you move the last post in "Where did the Fonts go?" to a new thread?
08:45:26Paul_The_NerdBut hardware-specific questions regarding say, implementing a remote on X, or getting the USB working on Y, just go in Hardware
08:45:49Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: The "georgian" one?
08:45:52markunyes
08:45:57markunI was about to reply
08:46:04Paul_The_NerdDone
08:46:08markunthanks
08:46:31midkayalright, Paul_The_Nerd - but here's what i'm saying. since the Hardware board covers *every* target, it might be useful to split it up with Apple/Iriver/Archos subforums.
08:46:41midkaynot create seperate boards for each, but *sub* forums, if this allows.
08:46:47Paul_The_NerdSubforums work.
08:47:10midkaysince they don't take up so much space and they allow using the "general" hardware board for non-target-specific questions.
08:47:17Paul_The_NerdBut I'd rather not name them after manufacturers, or it gives the idea that they're for any manufacturer-specific questions, so long as the person *thinks* that the question is unique to that hardware, rather than for questions about HARDWARE.
08:47:19Paul_The_NerdWhich is my concern.
08:47:33Paul_The_NerdI think ARM, M68K and SH1 makes it more clear that it's for hardware discussion.
08:47:39sharpeWhy not "Apple Hardware?"
08:47:47midkayhm.. that makes it a little confusing though..
08:47:58scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i would think that that would confuse a lot of people
08:47:59midkayespecially since that groups e.g. iaudio and iriver together.. right?
08:48:05markunPaul_The_Nerd: I think we should create a wiki page describing which ranges are supported by all the fonts
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08:48:30Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: And also groups the H10 with iPods.
08:48:42Paul_The_NerdWhich is perfectly fair, since it really is an iPod Mini.
08:48:48Paul_The_NerdOr at least 70% of one
08:48:53midkaybut iAudio and iRiver are entirely different.
08:48:57Paul_The_NerdNot really
08:49:02midkaybasically. they share the same .. chipset or whatever..
08:49:12midkaythat's about it..
08:49:12Paul_The_NerdThere's a lot of similarity between it and the H300
08:49:26markunPaul_The_Nerd: georgian font is now sticky :)
08:49:28Paul_The_NerdSeveral of the other chips inside I believe are from the same lines. Like the PCF50606 or whatever.
08:49:34Paul_The_Nerdmarkun: I thought I unstickied it.
08:49:47midkaythere might be between the iPod Color and H300 - even more than iaudio/iriver ..
08:50:02Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The only similarity there is the screen resolution though.
08:50:05midkayPaul_The_Nerd: honestly i think it's confusing and rather unfairly/weirdly groups players..
08:50:17midkaywhat's in common between iAudio X5 and iRiver players then?
08:50:36sharpemidkay: The i.
08:50:43midkayha. haaaa...
08:50:43markunPaul_The_Nerd: would be nice to have a visual division between the sticky and other posts, like they have on misticriver now
08:50:51Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, a lot of the necessary code for audio playback is similar, as well as assembly-optimization, I believe the battery fix for the H300 was implemented in almost exactly the same way on X5.
08:50:58markunanyway, have a nice weekend
08:51:18scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i agree...i think that if we named the sub-fourms that, it would scare off a lot of people even if we were to define them in a sticky
08:51:19midkayPaul_The_Nerd: just results of the behind-the-scenes chipset or whatever.. and the X5 happened to get a similar fix, oooh :)
08:51:53Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The idea is that the hardware forums are where people can talk about what's necessary to get hardware working. An X5 developer is more likely to be able to help an H300 developer than an Portalplayer developer, simply because the architecture itself for playback and stuff falls withing the same general areas.
08:52:01midkayPaul_The_Nerd: just my thoughts. chipset-naming scares people off and groups players unfairly.. if you're going to do that may as well just toss out the subforum idea.
08:52:13Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The hardware forum is ABOUT behind the scenes chipsets though. *hardware*
08:52:22midkayPaul_The_Nerd: but if we group them more appropriately it won't MATTER that someone might be more "likely" to help another.
08:52:49midkayexcuse the very rough analogy, but that's like saying if you're a mechanic you might be able to fix my bike. why not just call the bike repairman instead?
08:52:56BgerPaul_The_Nerd: the basic similarities between iAudio & iriver (apart from the 'i') are: coldfire v2 core, USB host (but different chips, no docs for iaudio's one), colour screen, iirc the radio chip is the same
08:52:56Paul_The_NerdThe hardware forums is for questions and discussions of very specific hardware. Like getting USB support working on the iPod by reverse engineering the low level code from the firmware.
08:53:25sharpeThat's oddly specific.
08:53:37midkaysigh. do what you will..
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08:53:42midkayoops.
08:53:46Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I think you're missing the point of the hardware form.
08:53:47Paul_The_Nerdforum
08:53:47Mikachudramatic
08:53:52midkayMikachu: haha.
08:53:57midkaymeant to alt-tab, and hit ctrl+w instead..
08:54:08midkayPaul_The_Nerd: possibly.
08:54:19Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: It's not for general discussion of specific players. It's for focused discussion on actual hardware problems relating to getting individual chips working and such.
08:54:42Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: For example, talking about using an ipod, in general, wouldn't go there, but talking about working on a driver for the scrollwheel would.
08:54:44midkay.. okay, but then how many of those posts will we get? what's the point of the forum? maybe a once a month post about some chip?
08:55:01midkayhow many new drivers need to be or will get written? is it even worth having it?
08:55:07Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: As well, the slow codec speeds on the iPod go in "Playback" not "Hardware" since it's actually a playback engine issue, and not implementation of a certain chipset, that causes it.
08:55:12scorchemidkay: it is also used for say, "my hard drive doesnt seem to be working"
08:55:23midkayscorche: Paul_The_Nerd just said that that is NOT the place for it.
08:55:26Paul_The_NerdOr "How do I replace the batteries in a Recorder V2?"
08:55:31scorchesee what i have already moved in there
08:55:32midkay.. the HARDWARE FORUM is for this?
08:55:41midkayhow do i replace the batteries?
08:55:43Paul_The_NerdThe hardware forum is for hardware modification, and code to implement hardware.
08:55:50midkay<Paul_The_Nerd> Or "How do I replace the batteries in a Recorder V2?"
08:55:54scorchemidkay: where did he say that it is not for this?
08:55:56midkay^^ so that's a hardware post you're saying?
08:56:03scorcheyes
08:56:05midkayscorche: could you shut your mouth for a moment?
08:56:14Mikachuit certainly isn't software
08:56:14scorche=|
08:56:17Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: What about that isn't hardware?
08:56:26midkayokay, so please everyone just LISTEN... here's what you're suggesting.
08:56:49Paul_The_NerdIt's a forum for questions *about* hardware, not hardware-specific questions.
08:57:40midkaygroup the forums by chipset type (coldfire, ARM, whatever) because it's for that kind of discussion from people about "Writing drivers" or whatever.. yet we're more likely to get questions on replacing batteries or harddrives.
08:57:55midkaywhat sort of guy who walks in wondering how to replace batteries knows that "oh, this is a coldfire target, right!"?
08:58:15Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: You *can* still post in "General Hardware" even if there are subforums.
08:58:19midkaythe ratio of "i need help doing this to my player" to "let's write a driver for this chipset" will be about 100:1.
08:58:31midkayso why name things in favor of the "1"?
08:58:37*Paul_The_Nerd never suggested subforums.
08:58:46midkaywe were just talking about those..
08:58:49Paul_The_NerdThey were your idea. I only suggested names, thinking you saw for it a need that I didn't.
08:59:04scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i still think that it is a bad idea to group them that way...it really would scare/confuse off many people
08:59:08midkaythe need was playerspecific, and you thought architecture was more important.
08:59:23midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i had already suggested player/mfr types.
08:59:30Paul_The_NerdGive me a way to make them player specific where we won't get posts of people asking what button to do something then?
08:59:45midkayPaul_The_Nerd: "Archos hardware", "iriver hardware"?
08:59:53Paul_The_NerdStill gonna get button questions.
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09:00:05Paul_The_NerdThe buttons are hardware.
09:00:06midkaysticky: THIS IS NOT FOR USABILITY QUESTIONS?
09:00:18Paul_The_NerdI think it'd be better just not to split, actually
09:00:22Paul_The_NerdI doubt it'll be busy enough.
09:00:22midkayokay, so what stops them from wandering into hardware as-is to ask about buttons?
09:00:37midkayit'll be the same thing.
09:00:43midkay"how do the buttons work".
09:00:48Paul_The_NerdIf it's *just* called "Hardware" and there's "User Interface" right next to it, I'm hoping more of the button traffic will go there.
09:00:48scorchei think that it would be just fine to simply have the people posting preface it
09:00:54midkayor are "Archos hardware" and "Hardware" magically different somehow?
09:01:35midkayPaul_The_Nerd: maybe subforums don't work as i expect, but they'd go WITHIN Hardware in my thoughts instead of between it and "user interface".
09:01:41midkayso you'd only get them if you were in the Hardware boards.
09:01:49midkayand thus you wouldn't be asking button questons.
09:02:09Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: I still don't think Hardware will be busy enough to need it.
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09:02:22midkayPaul_The_Nerd: maybe not, you're right.
09:02:27midkayso what about, say, User Interface?
09:02:35midkaythat'll be busy as all hell.
09:02:36Paul_The_NerdAnd manufacturer-specific categories is much worse of an idea than architecture based.
09:03:12Paul_The_NerdI'm hoping that UI won't end up too busy either, since I'm going to be harsher about locking posts where people don't read the manual.
09:03:21midkayso what *will* be busy?
09:03:30scorcheipod installation
09:03:35scorcheetc
09:03:58scorchebut, this way, the board will get much more even distribution
09:04:04midkay.. why? we'll get a lot more UI/engine/Doom questions than requests for assistance with simple instructions.
09:04:23scorchedoom would go into plugins
09:04:50midkayright. so *that* would be busy, and i just ASKED what would be busy, and you said "ipod installation".
09:04:58scorcheetc...
09:05:16Paul_The_NerdWell the idea is for the boards to be significantly less busy, because where to look for answers will be more apparent.
09:05:31Paul_The_NerdRight now fully half the answers to peoples' questions are in "General Discussion" but nobody looks there, instead sticking to H100 or whatever.
09:05:49midkaythat's like saying "what are some major species on the planet?" and getting a response of "maggots, etc"
09:05:59scorcheok...now we are just arguing for the benefit of simply doing it >_>
09:06:10Paul_The_NerdThe idea is to entirely strip the idea of asking questions about specific players.
09:06:20Paul_The_NerdSince 90% of the software is the same on each player, except maybe keymappings.
09:06:25midkayPaul_The_Nerd: alright, i'll wait it out and see what you're up to.. we're not on the same page, i don't think we're even in the same book..
09:06:28Paul_The_NerdAnd the only significant difference is the install process.
09:06:39Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: The proposal has been in the wiki and the forum for months...
09:07:14midkayPaul_The_Nerd: it changes and i haven't bothered to read it, and now that it's taking shape i'm not really at liberty to say anything because it's "work in progress"..
09:07:31Paul_The_NerdIt hasn't changed for at least a month. =/
09:07:36midkayit sounds like you've got things under control so i'd be glad to leave it at that.
09:08:04midkayPaul_The_Nerd: there are many ways of doing things, i can suggest one and you can suggest another.. it's just frustrating to even consider all the possibilities and how they tie together..
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09:08:13Paul_The_NerdBut the whole idea of the revamp was to move away from "iPod with Rockbox" and "H100 with Rockbox" and go to "Rockbox, which runs on several players"
09:08:34Paul_The_NerdAs it is, too many have the impression that it's actually different on each one.
09:09:00midkayPaul_The_Nerd: just consider that i ask these questions about a bunch of boards and then you have to go into this long explanation about what they are and aren't for that i wasn't aware of.. make sure it ends up quite self-explanatory.
09:09:11midkayin your mind it might work out well but everybody else needs to understand the structure the same.
09:09:26Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yeah. I'm aware a LOT of users won't understand the new structure.
09:09:39scorchemidkay: there will be stickys in each forum as well to help the transition
09:09:42midkayjust make sure everything is very aptly named and laid out..
09:09:46Paul_The_NerdI'm actually going to sticky posts in each forum with a capslocked title explaining what sort of posts belong there, and why.
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09:09:53midkayscorche: gosh, thanks for pointing out the absolutely obscure.
09:10:18midkaythere're always stickies and i think they get read by about 5% of users, once.. if fully...
09:10:28scorchemidkay: then, Paul_The_Nerd does his usual and clarifies me =)
09:10:31midkayif someone has a problem he darts into the first board and goes "help my archos is doing this"
09:11:06Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Yep. And I'm hoping since there's not going to be any board with "Archos" in the name except "Installation on Archos" that maybe he'll go into "Playback" if what it's doing isn't playing music.
09:11:07midkaynobody feels like researching how things should work and how the structure will help them find their answer.. they want help tailored to their exact description.
09:11:18sharpeHuman nature?
09:11:19midkayPaul_The_Nerd: makes sense.
09:11:25midkaysharpe: um, yes?
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09:11:49Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: That's the intent anyway. Because it's very very rare a playback issue will affect exactly one target.
09:12:00midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i understand.
09:12:08Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Anyway, sorry for the argument. Hopefully this all works out.
09:12:23Paul_The_NerdIt may not be smooth, but I think it'll end up with more constructive forums in the long term.
09:12:34midkayPaul_The_Nerd: don't get me wrong - you're doing quite well, and i see how this is improving. :) i'm just having trouble commenting i guess since it's kind of rounding out as we speak.
09:13:15Paul_The_Nerdmidkay: Well, things can also be tweaked later, if a forum ends up particularly busy or whatnot.
09:13:19midkaynot that you're doing it wrong at all, just suggestions "for the end" regardless of the current situation: think about it from a retard's view and make sure everything is very self-explanatory and intuitive, all that :)
09:13:42Paul_The_NerdYeah. That's why I wanted to avoid using manufacturer names. A skimming retard may just see those and hop to them. ;)
09:13:50Paul_The_NerdThough with subforums, they don't show up on the front page, so that would help
09:13:59sharpe"I like apples... I'll post here."
09:14:13Paul_The_NerdBut manufacturers are particularly bad, since the H100/H300, the iFP 799, and the H10 are three VERY different categories of devices.
09:14:23Paul_The_NerdThe iFP 799 not actually belonging with any of our current targets.
09:14:58midkayPaul_The_Nerd: i understand. kudos on "installation on archos" for example..
09:15:15midkaywhen the target name is in the middle of forum description, that works out well. :)
09:15:18Paul_The_NerdIt's just named Archos for now, but the names and descriptions there aren't final yet.
09:15:39Paul_The_NerdLike all those wonderful typos that were spotted. ;)
09:15:49midkayyeah, it's just more likely people will post fewer dumb questions there than if you named the *category* "Installation" and the board itself "Archos".
09:15:51midkayhaha. :)
09:16:03midkaykeep things inline, etc..
09:16:29Paul_The_NerdI almost named the board "Experimental Builds" but then I realized that "Unsupported" makes the intent 100% clear.
09:17:22midkayexactly. :)
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09:17:40Paul_The_NerdI think careful naming, and the short descriptions beneath the name, will be 90% of what will make or break the new layout
09:18:07sebastianbfhello every1
09:18:22sebastianbfi need some help with the hardware eq settings on ipod 5g
09:18:25sebastianbfplease
09:19:09Paul_The_NerdWhat problem are you having?
09:19:09linuxstb_What's the problem?
09:20:25hotwire_I finally got some understanding on which remote is which (there is a pretty useful post I found in the forum with images). However the H300 and H100 sims are both using the H100 remote, but there is code to in theory allow you to switch the remote in use by pressing 't'... but if we're forcing the available remote is a toggle really necessary?
09:20:51hotwire_unless there is a way to switch the remote on display, which is beyond me.
09:21:04hotwire_way beyond my abilities at this point, rather
09:21:27sebastianbfsorry for the delay
09:21:35scorchePaul_The_Nerd: so you are creating the "child boards"?
09:21:39sebastianbfth ething is that i changed sthe values of it
09:21:42Paul_The_Nerdscorche: Not at this time
09:21:44daurn|laptophey
09:21:45sebastianbfand now im getting some distorsion
09:21:47daurn|laptopany devs here?
09:21:48linuxstb_Paul_The_Nerd: Do you own an iFP-799? If so, have you tried Rockbox on it?
09:21:51Paul_The_NerdThe one that's there was an experiment to see what it looked like in display
09:21:52daurn|laptopah, linuxstb
09:21:53scorchePaul_The_Nerd: i just noticed "ARM"
09:21:56scorcheah
09:21:56sebastianbfso i need the original values pplease
09:22:04sebastianbfso i can restore mine
09:22:33Paul_The_Nerdlinuxstb_: Unfortunately the 799 is the 1gb model, unsupported as of yet. At least, unable to access the disk. Not a major problem, really, since it'll boot then not read any more files, but I was waiting/hoping for at least a proper bootloader
09:22:36linuxstb_sebastianbf: 0dB means "no change" for each of the bands.
09:22:39Paul_The_Nerdrockbox.wma just seems weird.
09:22:51sebastianbfoh ok thanks
09:22:57sebastianbfi will try that now
09:23:25linuxstb_Disabling the hardware EQ simply sets all the gains to 0dB. Enabling it will set the gains to your settings.
09:23:54sebastianbfso setting thevalues to 0db is like turning it off
09:24:04linuxstb_Yes - exactly the same.
09:24:31sebastianbfcan anyone explain me what are those "low shell filter" and all that stuff please?
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09:25:23linuxstb_low shelf filter is basically a bass control. High shelf is treble. The other three bands are for the frequencies inbetween.
09:25:59sebastianbfohhh great
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09:26:23daurn|laptoplinuxstb: get the pm?
09:26:32daurn|laptopo.o
09:28:13daurn|laptopwhere is button base addresses defined
09:28:29daurn|laptops/addresses/address
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09:29:44linuxstbI'm not sure what you mean by "button base addresses".
09:30:07daurn|laptopwell, the button hardware addresses, they have a base, and an offset
09:30:07linuxstbAll the button drivers are different.
09:30:18daurn|laptopwhere is the base defined (on a per target basis)
09:30:28sharpeWell, I'm off. Night everyone.
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09:30:36linuxstbdaurn|laptop: Not every button driver is like that.
09:31:46linuxstbYou just write your own button driver - so if your driver needs a base and offset, you define them within your button-target.c file.
09:32:02daurn|laptop??
09:32:10daurn|laptopall devices should have them...
09:33:01linuxstbI'm not sure they do. But even if they do, they should be defined in your button driver .c file - they're not needed outside that file.
09:33:12daurn|laptopi know...
09:33:22daurn|laptop but they're not
09:34:33linuxstbWhat's the problem with just putting them in _your_ button driver .c file?
09:34:51daurn|laptopcause i'm pretty sure they will be defined somewhere else
09:35:02daurn|laptop - with the rest of them...
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09:36:09linuxstbYou can't find them because they don't exist. Unless you're talking about the button codes used by Rockbox (nothing to do with the hardware), and those are in firmware/export/button.h
09:36:53daurn|laptopok.....
09:36:59daurn|laptopi'll leave that topic for a bit
09:37:16daurn|laptopcould you explain how to structure button_read_device?
09:39:52linuxstbI've never touched the button drivers before, but looking at button-x5.c, it just seems to return a value indicating which buttons are currently pressed. How you write it will depend on your button hardware.
09:40:38daurn|laptopwhat is the whole bitwise shift left thing doing?
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09:41:44linuxstbWhat bitwise shift left?
09:42:03daurn|laptop if (buttons & (1 << 0))
09:42:03daurn|laptop btn |= BUTTON_ON;
09:42:03daurn|laptop if (buttons & (1 << 1))
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09:42:03daurn|laptop btn |= BUTTON_OFF;
09:42:04daurn|laptopetc
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09:42:19linuxstbIn which driver?
09:42:30daurn|laptopits in button_read_device
09:42:39linuxstbThere are lots of button_read_device() functions...
09:42:45linuxstb(one for each target)
09:43:09daurn|laptopi copied mine out of gigabeat
09:43:13daurn|laptopbut all are much the same
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09:44:18linuxstbI'm guessing buttons will be a variable read from the hardware somewhere, and (buttons & (1 << 1)) checks if a certain bit in that variable is set.
09:44:34linuxstbBut your button driver may be completely different.
09:44:51daurn|laptopi know the hardware addresses of my button
09:44:55daurn|laptopthey are true if pressed
09:45:00daurn|laptopfalse if not
09:45:03daurn|laptop - its not THAT hard
09:45:03daurn|laptop:S
09:47:28linuxstbThen your button_read_device() function needs to read those hardware addresses, and create a single btn variable indicating which buttons are pressed or not.
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10:05:58*Bger apologises if brakes some button combos ...
10:06:16scorcheo_O
10:06:41Bgeri mean on iriver
10:07:06scorcheBger: it wasnt to you
10:08:26Bgersomeone here with iriver h100 remote ?
10:09:22Paul_The_NerdWe're gonna need two different H10 sims, at least.
10:09:32Paul_The_NerdApparently the 20gig has a different size screen than the 5/6 models.
10:10:32*Bger thinks that h10 models are very strange and unclear ...
10:11:08Paul_The_NerdYes.
10:11:17Paul_The_NerdAnd that's even if you manage to ignore the H10jr
10:11:52Bgeryep
10:12:04BgerPaul_The_Nerd: do u have h100 rmeote /
10:12:10linuxstbIt will just be like the ipods - multiple build targets, but sharing 99% of the same code.
10:12:18Paul_The_NerdBger: Mine's broken.
10:12:28Bgersorry :(
10:12:33Paul_The_NerdIt's the third one I've broken
10:12:37Paul_The_NerdI have very bad luck with them
10:12:40Bgerwow
10:12:50Bgerthe cable or ?
10:13:29Paul_The_NerdYup
10:13:31Paul_The_NerdThe cable
10:14:03Bgerah
10:14:06Bgerthat's correctable ...
10:14:06Paul_The_NerdWell, in one case a friend stepped on it, and in two the cable got caught in things.
10:14:34Bgerat least if it is broken near the remote, not the connector
10:14:58Paul_The_NerdI don't really know where it's broken. There's no visible distress.
10:15:04Paul_The_NerdWell, I mean, outside of the crushed one.
10:15:53Bgeryep:(
10:15:58*Paul_The_Nerd doesn't really need one anyway.
10:22:14hotwire_since we're talking about the remotes...
10:22:39Bgerhotwire_: yeah ?
10:23:20hotwire_since i'm trying to implement support for the remotes in the UISim, are we gonna leave it as the H100 LCD remote on the UISim of both the h100 and h300?
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10:23:35Bgerit seems that the build system isn't working again :(
10:25:39hotwire_does that have to do with what i'm working on?
10:26:06Bgerhaha no
10:26:13hotwire_Since the BMP's feature the H100 remote, should i just program for the H100 LCD remote only?
10:26:14Bgerjust see the cvs build table
10:26:20linuxstbBger: You should ping Bagder or LinusN...
10:26:37BgerBagder
10:27:16hotwire_although the code is already in the simulator button.c to allow a switching of remote
10:29:14hotwire_also, I'd love to have an index of what each button on the remote is set to do, although someone sent me the output codes from the h300 lcd remote i can cross reference with the source i think
10:31:21hotwire_i presume from your silence that you have no idea Bger?
10:34:51hotwire_anybody?
10:35:13*hotwire_ can hear a pin drop
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10:36:27JdGordonhey all
10:36:39midkayJonathan!
10:36:51JdGordonuh oh... am i in trouble??
10:36:59JdGordoni only get my full anem when i am :'(
10:37:30midkay:D:DD:D:D:D
10:37:37dstrekfucking iriver e10
10:37:42dstrekstupid database crap
10:38:02dstrekneed to start a rockbox project for it
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10:38:40hotwire_amiconn: are you around paying attention at the current moment?
10:43:34JdGordonBg3r: you around?
10:44:45JdGordon.. have builds been stuck for 2 hours? or is my world clock wrong?
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10:47:24linuxstbJdGordon: Yes, they're stuck...
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10:47:34JdGordonrighto
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10:52:46linuxstbtheli_ua: I've just tried your Spectrum emulator, but there are a lot of files missing in the latest versions of your patches, so it doesn't compile... e.g. spconf.c, all the z80* files. Can you upload a new patch?
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10:54:12hotwire_well, with lack of info, i'm gonna crash for the night
10:54:15hotwire_night
10:57:34JdGordonholy crap the iriver keymap file looks horrible now :p
10:58:59theli_ualinuxstb, strange ... i'll upload it now
10:59:03JdGordonright.. we need a fairly competant hacker to break into rockbox.haxx.se and unfreeze he builds :p
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11:04:45theli_ualinuxstb, i've uploaded ...
11:05:05BgerJdGordon: yep
11:05:08Bgerhere
11:05:18JdGordonhey, i was going to ask if you got the remote stuff done
11:05:19linuxstbtheli_ua: Compiling now - it looks better...
11:05:25JdGordonbut then i saw the cvs builds page...
11:05:26Bgerand yes, the builds are stuck
11:05:37JdGordonyou broke it!!! you bully!
11:05:39BgerJdGordon: there is more work
11:05:45Bger:'(
11:05:50theli_ualinuxstb, its cvsdo behaves strange for me :(
11:05:54Bgeri mean it needs more work
11:06:08JdGordon?
11:06:26Bgerno non-lcd-specific mappings
11:06:36JdGordonok
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11:08:25JdGordonok, im sick of bloody ubuntu... can anyone suggest a fairly good linux distor which i can get up and runnig in <1hr?
11:08:50linuxstbUbuntu :)
11:08:55JdGordon:'(
11:09:08scorchelinuxstb: haha...beat me to it
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11:09:21theli_uaJdGordon, SLED maybe?
11:09:35linuxstbWhat's the problem? Seriously, the best idea is probably to install Ubuntu again from scratch - using what you've learnt already to help with the install.
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11:10:37JdGordoni didnt stuff up the install tho, Im just sick of its stupid dependancy problems (i cant install qt3 dev for exmaple) and sdl is broken, and other annoyanceds
11:11:07linuxstbTry choosing a different mirror - maybe you've chosen one which isn't being updated properly.
11:11:13midkayvmware.
11:11:26*JdGordon converted from windows.. not going back
11:11:31midkayhaha.
11:11:33scorchemidkay: but what distro inside it? ;)
11:11:50midkayscorche: but whatever he wants!
11:12:02scorchebut he is asking us!
11:12:31scorchevmware isnt a distro! =D
11:12:39*theli_ua likes gentoo
11:12:45scorcheick
11:12:59JdGordontheli_ua: sled? as in pay for linux??
11:13:11JdGordonFree Download ISO, 60-day evaluation
11:13:37theli_uaJdGordon, you should pay only if you want updates/support
11:13:46linuxstbtheli_ua: I've just tried it on my ipod 5g - the colours are completely wrong.... Also, what keys should I map for Chuckie Egg?
11:13:49JdGordonhas anyone polayed with openSUSE?
11:14:08scorcheyes...and even more ick =P
11:14:14theli_ualinuxstb, they are mapper by default for Chuckies.. just turn off mapping to kempston
11:14:31linuxstbtheli_ua: I found the "invert colours" option which fixed the colours - it was set to "yes" by default.
11:14:34theli_ualinuxstb, can you send me screen dump?
11:14:48*scorche loves how he magically dangles the reasons why on the tips of his fingers
11:14:51linuxstbI'm guessing that option only really makes sense on the greyscale devices?
11:14:56theli_ualinuxstb, or .. yeah .. that makes them *completely* wrong :D
11:15:23theli_ualinuxstb, yes.. but maybe someone want's this in color :)
11:15:35theli_ualinuxstb, who is the framerate on 5g?
11:15:37linuxstbBut it seems fast - 24.38/25fps on my 5g.
11:15:39theli_ua*how
11:15:46theli_uaoohh.... hice
11:15:49theli_ua*nice
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11:16:15theli_ualinuxstb, does it *feels* realtime ?
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11:17:20JdGordon.. maybe ill just go fedora..
11:17:46theli_uaJdGordon, Gen-too Gen-too ..... :D
11:17:57JdGordon2day+ install...
11:18:13theli_uaJdGordon, hm ... maybe about 1-2hours
11:18:13JdGordon.. if i could get it going in under an hour i would
11:18:24linuxstbtheli_ua: It feels fine. I can't get the up/down buttons to work though.
11:18:29JdGordongot a guide which does it in 2 hours?
11:18:46JdGordonbearing in mind, my computer is a P$ celereon 2.4ghz
11:18:55scorcheJdGordon: i would say slack, but that wouldnt take an hour =P
11:19:20theli_ualinuxstb, try to hold up/down and pass near stairs .... you just need to get right into them ....
11:19:24linuxstbtheli_ua: You should also disable the backlight timeout - just look at other plugins like mpegplayer to see how to do it.
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11:20:15theli_uaJdGordon, you don't need to compile the whole stuff from scratch ... follow the gentoo handbook and install from stage3
11:20:59pepie34JdGordon did you try ubuntu?
11:21:15JdGordonpepie34: im runing ubuntu atm, and im sick of it
11:21:16pepie34and then apt-build
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11:21:27scorcheimo, gentoo is only good is you are testing bleeding edge/unstable stuff....it annoys me for regular use
11:21:37linuxstbtheli_ua: I see the problem - you can't use the scroll events with button_status(). They should be BUTTON_MENU for up, and BUTTON_PLAY for down.
11:21:42pepie34if you want optimised things
11:21:48pepie34i agree with scorche
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11:23:53theli_uascorche, i use it as my desktop for long and haven't found any uncinviniences
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11:24:38*scorche shrugs
11:24:50scorchepeople have different taste
11:24:51theli_ualinuxstb, BUTTON_MENU *is* used for up and BUTTON_PLAY *is* used for down ... i can't see the problem ... i can play chuckie fine on my mini
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11:26:21scorchewhenever i am in gentoo, i always end up re-compiling the kernel way too much
11:26:33scorche(than i feel i should)
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11:27:24theli_uascorche, why? i sometimes compile it when um updating it .... (not for any tiny kernel update)
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11:29:51linuxstbtheli_ua: Ah, I was confusing the keys in the virtual keyboard with the main game. I'll try deleting zxbox.cfg and starting again.
11:30:57theli_ualinuxstb, keys in the virtual keyboard are taken from kbd_input ... well, actuall used vkeyboard is slightly vut down kbd_input :)
11:31:08theli_uas/vut/cut
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11:32:55linuxstbtheli_ua: Yes, it's working fine - I had just messed up the .cfg file.
11:34:16theli_uayou could just remap the keys ... chuckie uses 2/w as up/down, 9/0 for l/r and z for jump
11:34:51pepie34linuxstb do you work on ipodlinux?
11:35:03linuxstbtheli_ua: I haven't looked at the code yet, but from a user's point of view, it seems ready to commit.
11:35:08linuxstbpepie34: No.
11:35:11pepie34ok
11:35:43scorchetheli_ua: well, now i only use it when the situation calls for it (which usually requires compiling for testing certain apps)...but for an example (just one thing that i pulled off the top of my head), recently, a friend of mine had gentoo installed on his laptop...to be able to mount my archos (pre 2.0 v1), i had to recompile the kernel, then i had to recompile it yet again to get wifi working...there is also the "fanboys" that
11:35:43scorche ruin the image of gentoo, but i dont hold it against them too much ;)
11:35:49theli_ualinuxstb, well... i;m trying to implement sound output now .... but i feel that would doubtly come from my side :(
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11:37:00theli_uascorche, usually i leave some stuff/drivers which i feel i may need sometime as modules and insert them when needed
11:37:16*linuxstb hasn't compiled a kernel for about 3 years...
11:37:40scorchelinuxstb: you obviously dont use gentoo regularly (not that i do) =P
11:37:50linuxstbNo, I'm a Debian man...
11:37:59scorcheas am i mostly
11:38:04scorchedebian and slack for me
11:38:54scorchealso, i hate how it puts out the image of "getting down and dirty", when what usually ends up happening with most people, is they just emerge everything
11:38:58pepie34ubuntu and debian
11:39:19scorcheubuntu is debian based, so i include that as debian ;)
11:39:38linuxstbI generally just install once when I buy a new PC (making sure that PC has very generic components), and forget about it.
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11:40:11scorcheas do i mostly
11:40:19theli_uascorche, i just love portage - adding/managing my own packages was never easier for me ...
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11:41:01scorchetheli_ua: i wasnt talking about how great it is...just that they promote the image of...well, you can read above =P
11:41:09theli_ua:)
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11:42:28scorchei love how nicely slack lets this system run =D (this is a pentium mmx @ 133)
11:43:09linuxstbtheli_ua: A database of keymappings would be nice...
11:43:44theli_ualinuxstb, yeah i've already though about adding a way to change to some general keymappings .... like qaop or so ...
11:44:44theli_ualinuxstb, i can add this in some minutes ... but aren't you saying about adding a database where user can define and store his own keymaps?
11:45:26theli_uaalso zxbox uses only 5 buttons on each target ....
11:45:27linuxstbNot really - more something we can update in CVS.
11:45:58theli_ualinuxstb... do you own a nano?
11:46:02linuxstbNo.
11:46:19linuxstbI'm trying it now on my Photo (220x176 LCD) - what's the native Spectrum resolution?
11:46:30theli_ua256x192
11:46:51linuxstbHow do you scale it?
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11:47:21theli_uahm ... just skip certain lines/columns ... how does it looks on photo? :)
11:47:32linuxstbIt looks fine.
11:47:37theli_uaand speed?
11:47:45linuxstbCurrently 22.66
11:48:45theli_ualinuxstb, btw i took fps calculation algo from pacbox but that doesnt look nice to me ...
11:49:54linuxstbNo, it seems very odd...
11:50:40theli_uado you calculate fps in mpegplayer in similar way?
11:52:18linuxstbI think so - check video_out_rockbox.c
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11:53:40theli_uait differs ... maybe i'll try that
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11:58:24linuxstbtheli_ua: A "reset" option would also be useful - that would need to reload the snapshot from disk (unless you have enough RAM to buffer a copy).
11:59:16theli_ualinuxstb, that would work with snapshots only (not with tapes)
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12:00:00linuxstbHow does tape loading work?
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12:00:24theli_uahad you any experience with spectrums?
12:00:51linuxstbVaguely - do you have to manually enter "load" ?
12:03:13*scorche spies Bagder awake in the forums
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12:03:23Bagderyah
12:04:05scorche<Bger> it seems that the build system isn't working again :(
12:04:12scorcheif you havent seen the logs/noticed
12:04:15Bagderah
12:04:55Bagderactually that was useful ;-)
12:05:11BagderI have some basic scripts prepared for autodetection of this situation
12:05:19Bagderand it seems they work
12:05:47scorcheare these scripts named "IRC devs"?
12:06:19theli_ualinuxstb, yes in original spectrum you type 'load ""' and press play on tape recorder
12:06:53linuxstbSo a reset would just take you back to that screen?
12:07:13theli_ualinuxstb, here when loading tape zxbox just loads built-in snapshot taken from state where you already typed load "" and than plays tape
12:07:57theli_uawell... reset would work but i need to look into it ....
12:08:47theli_uaand ... actually working with big games like Rainbow Islands which need to load each level is rather painfull in zxbox :) ...
12:10:06JdGordon6 more builds and its goign to be completly green again :'( how boring :p
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12:18:02JdGordondoes anyone think it would be good to tell the action code to stop after the current list and not check the standard list like it does now?
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12:18:24JdGordonthe difference being it would be faster to detect ACTION_UNKNOWN
12:20:06midkay...... huh? stop after the current list and not check the standard list? what lists?
12:20:27JdGordonaction code..
12:20:51*midkay nods slowly in a "what the hell are you talking about never mind whatever you want" way.
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12:25:09Bagderno more gaps in the table when I've killed a hanging round
12:25:33Bagderplus, it should now force a re-build when a round is killed
12:26:11linuxstbI can see you like a nice clean build table...
12:27:16scorchea few more builds, and hopefully it will be nothing but green!
12:27:33Bagderthe blame score is finally working again!
12:27:40Bagder:-)
12:29:05A_MHey guys, I've noticed some major inconsistencies in the menu when it comes to how values and units are displayed. For settings defined with set_int it's always "[value] [unit]" but a lot of settings define their own options in a list, and in these cases values are often described with "[value][unit]" without space?
12:29:20A_MSo which do we want, spaces or no space? 100ms or 100 ms?
12:30:14JdGordon<Bagder> the blame score is finally working again! <- just for laughs, can the record holder be meniotned on the cvs page? :D
12:30:29midkayhaha. let's have a high score table!
12:30:40Bagderwe need a high score wiki page
12:30:42midkaylike the 5 top scores, who did it, and what commit on what date :)
12:30:57midkaybaaah. let people have a good laugh when they go to the CVS builds page :)
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12:32:36linuxstbBagder: You mean to manually update?
12:32:41Bagderyes
12:32:53BagderI don't feel like working on making it automatic
12:33:27linuxstbI agree - too many things to account for.
12:33:27JdGordonbut that means that if/when someone really fouls up they can do another 15 quick commits and no one will ever know...
12:33:40midkayfouls up. haha.
12:33:44midkaywait so..
12:33:54midkaysomeone gets an error and suddenly they want to cover it up, why? :)
12:34:02midkayand wouldn't 15 commits be rather... obvious? :)
12:34:59*JdGordon was obviously being silly :p
12:35:35scorchek/msg midkay <midkay> penis wars. PENIS WARS. <~~~~wtf are you talking about?
12:35:39scorcheerrr...om...
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12:35:41scorcheignore that
12:37:12midkayawkward silence.. :o
12:37:30qwmvery very awkward.
12:38:10qwmvagina wars. VAGINA WARS!
12:38:19qwm(way better than penis wars, imho.)
12:38:33qwmvagina warts! :o
12:40:29scorcheat least mine was an accident....
12:41:06qwmyour penis warts?
12:41:08qwm:)
12:41:09qwmwell.
12:41:12qwmdon't have unsafe sex.
12:41:20scorche...
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12:41:33*scorche coughs suggestively and then leaves for bed
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12:41:47qwmsleep well. :)
12:41:57qwmdon't forget to put that lotion on your penis.
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12:42:43JdGordonwhy oh why have he not been banned/kicked yet??
12:42:53midkaywho?
12:42:57scorcheJdGordon: same goes for dongs =P
12:43:02midkaydongs?!
12:43:06qwmwell.
12:43:14qwmdongs doesn't appreciate rockbox as much as i do.
12:43:17midkayJdGordon: leave qwm alone.
12:43:25qwmi love it and i use it everyday. :o
12:43:27scorcheJdGordon: that is why ;0
12:43:33JdGordonhaha
12:43:43qwm:o
12:44:47*scorche really leaves for bed
12:45:03theli_ualinuxstb, so what do you think about zxbox? :)
12:45:43linuxstbIt's cool, but it makes me realise the Spectrum was one of the worst 8-bit machines... The colour clashing is awful.
12:46:20theli_ua:)
12:46:50theli_uado you think amiga emulation would run nice? :)
12:46:56linuxstbIf you can clean up the two or three warnings that remain, and confirm it compiles cleanly for all targets, we can probably commit it.
12:47:09linuxstbI think the Amiga might be a bit much for our targets...
12:47:22theli_uayeah.. that what i think too
12:47:40linuxstbOther 8-bit machines like the C64 should work - we need to hassle sharpe to finish his emulator...
12:48:39theli_uathe remaining warnings are: one left by me (i was not sure if timing should be implemented) and one is about pointer type mismatch ... i can clean that
12:48:52theli_uasharpe is working on c64 emulator?
12:49:06linuxstbHe was working on one, but I think he's abandoned it.
12:49:30theli_uawhat was the resolution of c64?
12:49:57linuxstbCan't remember... I think he was working on an ipod 5g, and it was smaller than that.
12:50:47theli_uaactually i thought if it would be somewhat usable on my 138x110 i can look into porting one emulator ....
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12:50:55theli_uaor just help sharpe with it
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12:52:10theli_uabtw, does anyone here own old archos dap and can test zxbox patch?
12:53:23linuxstbGoogle tells me the C64 was 320x200
12:53:42linuxstb(16 colours)
12:54:32theli_uayeah i've found that too .. heh ... my mini is too mini for this
12:54:35theli_ua:(
12:55:58theli_uaanyone knows something to emulate what would be usable after scalnig to 138x110? :)
12:56:05theli_ua*scaling
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13:02:02linuxstbtheli_ua: The Atari 2600 has been mentioned as something to port - it's 192x160, so would even work nicely on the 220x176 LCDs.
13:02:59theli_ualinuxstb, can you look at apps/plugins/zxbox.c and zxboxs makefile cause i'm not sure about overlay stuff ...
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13:11:09*JdGordon cannot do this without the ui sim :'(
13:11:16JdGordonstupid bloody ubuntu and sdl
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13:14:48JdGordonhttp://www.google.com.au/search?q=sdl+%22fatal%3A+No+I%2FO+port+permissions%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial :'(
13:15:49theli_uaJdGordon, what's the problem you get?
13:16:12JdGordonsdl says fatal: No I/O port permissions when i try runing rockboxui
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13:16:32JdGordonif i run it as sudo the screen goes fully black with the uisim garbled at the top of the screen
13:16:53theli_uaother sdl apps work fine i assume?
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13:16:59JdGordonhavnt tested any
13:17:04JdGordondont have any
13:18:18crwlyou had that strange problem of sdl not supporting x11 output?
13:18:25JdGordonyes
13:19:16crwldo you have the package libsdl1.2debian installed?
13:19:27JdGordonyes
13:20:00crwlwhat about libsdl1.2debian-alsa :)
13:20:08JdGordonyep
13:20:44JdGordonlibsdl1.2-dev wont install so i had to install the dev stuff manualy from source
13:20:49JdGordoncould that be the problem?
13:21:00crwldunno, could
13:21:08aliaskMixture of binary/source?
13:21:22JdGordonyes, coz ubuntu sux monkey balls
13:21:53aliaskTrid compiling all from source?
13:22:02aliasks/trid/tried
13:22:07JdGordonye, i guss ill try that
13:22:35aliaskI've never had too much trouble with Ubuntu, it's the only linux I've been able to use for longer than a month
13:22:59aliaskAs a desktop that is.
13:23:12theli_uaJbGordon, look here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=176636&page=3
13:25:28JdGordonhmm... that just gives peromssions... i tihnk its mroe than that becasue running it as sudo starts it, but it doesnt run properly
13:25:39JdGordonim compiling the sources atm... see if that fixes it
13:25:46JdGordonor breaks my system even more :p
13:26:30aliaskJdGordon: To add an action, can I just add an item in keymap-target.c and then refer to it? Or do I need to do more?
13:26:49crwlif you run it with sudo, it probably tries to use svgalib output or something and kind of succeeds, because it has root privileges
13:26:53JdGordonno, you must add it to action.h first
13:26:55crwljust that svgalib output and x11 don't quite mix
13:27:45theli_uaJdGordon, try to export variable SDL_VIDEODRIVER=x11 or dga ...
13:27:58aliaskJdGordon: Thanks.
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13:29:36JdGordontheli_ua: i tried both as root so it didnt complain about permissions and same thing...
13:29:44JdGordonaliask: are you adding it for a plugin or the core?
13:29:49aliaskCore
13:29:55JdGordonrighto :)
13:29:58aliaskIt worked
13:30:21theli_uaJdGordon, no ... just try to run "SDL_VIDEODRIVER=x11 ./rockboxui" under user, not root
13:30:34JdGordonsame thing... no permissions
13:30:47theli_ua:(
13:31:06JdGordonno, sorry.. forgot the export :p
13:31:14JdGordonfatal: No available video device
13:31:19JdGordonfor both x11 and dga
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13:32:51crwlsounds like your installation is seriously broken :P
13:33:09crwli can't remember ever having problems with sdl's video output
13:34:02JdGordonbrb
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13:34:23linuxstbMaybe when JdGordon compiled SDL, it didn't pick up the X11 headers...
13:34:34crwlwhy would anyone need to compile SDL on any linux system anyway?
13:34:45crwli don't remember ever doing that in my 7 years of using debian and ubuntu
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13:35:13linuxstb(to quote myself from 1 minute ago:) "Maybe when JdGordon compiled SDL, it didn't pick up the X11 headers..."
13:35:46JdGordon.. but it wasnt working using the standard ubuntu sdl package?
13:36:00JdGordongetting off MergedFB didnt help
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13:39:18*theli_ua dreams of OpenFileDialog in plugin api ...
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13:40:50linuxstbtheli_ua: Then make your dream come true...
13:41:21theli_uayou think it would be useful?
13:41:55linuxstbI think so... Although a "SaveAsDialog" would probably be more useful.
13:42:29theli_uaSaveAs just for choosing dir where to save?
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13:42:44linuxstbOr choosing an existing filename to overwrite.
13:42:55linuxstbPlus of course the option of entering a new name.
13:43:02theli_uayeah ... thats what i miss too :)
13:43:52preglowsame code could probably be used for both, though
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13:45:08amiconnThings not needed in the core should better be part of the plugin lib
13:45:24theli_uai wonder if current filebrowser can be reused for this ...
13:45:39JdGordonprobably...
13:45:47JdGordonwhy not alter the onlplay stuff to handle it?
13:45:55linuxstbamiconn: I agree, but a "save as" dialog would be nice for writing .cfg files for example, or saving playlists.
13:45:56amiconnJdGordon: Will you fix the time setting screen?
13:46:04amiconnlinuxstb: Ah, yes
13:46:23JdGordonamiconn: i have fixed it... except sdl isnt working so i cannot test on any targets except the h300
13:46:38amiconnDoesn't work on recorder...
13:46:42JdGordoni have left a message on the rockbox-dev ml regarding redoig the settigns context for the whole thing
13:46:49JdGordon..if you can have a look at it
13:46:59JdGordon.. or anyone can ok it..
13:47:24amiconnok, will do.
13:47:49JdGordonlet me just diff it again so it is the lastest
13:48:41linuxstbBTW, I've started to implement frame-rate limiting in mpegplayer, but am not sure how to commit it - i.e. is it more useful at the moment for CVS mpegplayer to never try to skip frames or limit the maximum speed?
13:49:13JdGordonprobably...
13:49:22JdGordoncommit it but disable it?
13:49:47*JdGordon shower, bbs
13:51:51linuxstbAlso, how accurate are the user timers on the various targets? e.g. if I ask for a 1000Hz timer and use that to update my own tick variable, what can I expect? I obviously never unboost the CPU.
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13:57:28JdGordonis the slow part of drawing frames copying it to the lcd or decoding the actual frame?
13:58:08linuxstbThey are both slow, but decoding is slower.
13:58:32linuxstbI would guess about 30% of the time is the display, 70% decoding, but don't quote me on that...
13:59:02JdGordon.. and does it do any pre-decoding? eli_sherer suggested ages ago to decode a half-dozen frames before starting playback and then decode into the buffer to speed things up..?
13:59:52linuxstbI'm not sure how that would speed things up - you would need to copy the decoded frames somewhere...
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14:01:13JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5060
14:01:51JdGordondecode straight into a buffer, do maybe 10 frames before starting, then copy from buffer->lcd while decoding could sppeed things up a tiny bit?
14:02:46linuxstbYou only have one CPU - how can doing two things at the same time speed it up?
14:03:06linuxstbAnd how would you manage to do two things at the same time?
14:03:39JdGordoni dunno.... magic....?
14:05:22linuxstbAlthough we might have to buffer some video frames on the Coldfires - to enable us to interleave audio and video decoding, maybe swapping IRAM between the two codecs. But on the ipods, we do have two CPUs, so one will just decode and display video as fast as it can, the other will do the same for audio.
14:06:02linuxstbI honestly haven't thought about how to do video and audio decoding at the same time on the Coldfires...
14:06:58*JdGordon is installing vmware on comp so he can use the sim!
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14:11:07theli_ualinuxstb, fps in zxbox on Ondio is slightly above 2 .... :(.. that make sit completely unusable on this targets
14:11:41merbananlinuxstb: isn't there some sort of cooperative multitasking scheme you could use ?
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14:15:55linuxstbtheli_ua: That's not very surprising... The CPU speed is 1/10th of the other targets (around 12MHz).
14:17:45linuxstbmerbanan: Yes, we could do anything... But I think the problem will be speed - so we want to maximise IRAM usage for both audio and video decoding.
14:18:55BgerJdGordon: i'm for not always checking the standard list
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14:26:42theli_ualinuxstb, i've checked emulators which wikipedia states as the most popular for atari 2600 .. one asm+pascal, second asm+c and third cpp :)
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14:30:23linuxstbThe C++ would probably be easiest - depending on how it's written. Pacbox was originally C++.
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14:39:38theli_uastella ( which is in cpp ) is too heavy to rewrite to C..
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14:39:44JdGordondoes anyone know how to get NAT working for qemu?
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14:41:38mirakJdGordon: if you want to ping the qemu vm you need that.
14:42:10JdGordoni need to ssh into it.. but ye
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14:43:45JdGordonand can i pause the session like you can in vmware?
14:44:06JdGordoncrap! X wont start in the debian rockbox image!!
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14:50:31mirakJdGordon: yes you do stop in console
14:50:39mirakJdGordon: #qemu
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14:50:56*JdGordon gives up.. im dumping ubuntu
14:51:02JdGordongonna try opensuse
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14:51:37JdGordonno im not.. no bloody dvd image.. i cbf burning 5 cds
14:56:41theli_ualinuxstb, so should i drop old targets for zxbox or leave it as they are now?
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14:57:44jhMikeSI'm curious if anyone thinks MAC/EMAC would speed up yuv conversion.
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15:00:09perplexityJdGordon if you are using userspace networking in qemu (the default) then you need to forward a local port to the vm. Something like -redir tcp:2200::22 will let you ssh -p 2200 localhost and get the vm
15:00:50linuxstbtheli_ua: You may as well leave them there - someone may wish to do something with it.
15:00:51JdGordonoh ok, thanks, stupid X wouldnt start in the vm, so im not going to bother with it.. just going to reinstall a different distro tomow
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15:00:59perplexityand you can pause the session by typing "stop" in the console (ctrl-alt-2 should get you there and ctrl-alt-1 should get you back)
15:01:12perplexityubuntu 6.06 works well in qemu ;)
15:01:28JdGordonubuntu 6.06 is a piece of shit and the makers should die!
15:01:33JdGordon:D
15:02:03perplexityuhhuh.. nasty nasty.. some of us think similar about what suse has done to yast in the latest itteration :)
15:02:22perplexitybut horses for courses.. I just told you what works.. you can choose to ignore me if you like..
15:02:33JdGordonill probably go gentoo.. but the long install is hplding me back
15:02:43JdGordon:) thanks
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15:05:57theli_ualinuxstb, so then i need your fixes which made zxbox build on archos targets.... :) ... so i can remove last warnings and post new patch :)
15:06:28mirakperplexity: if you only need to use linux to compile in windows you might want to try colinux
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15:07:06perplexitymirak the only windows I have runs under qemu in linux. "Proudly Windows free(tm) since 1996" :)
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15:11:57JdGordonamiconn: did play/stop used to be used to move between settings on the player/recorders?
15:14:07JdGordonanyone there have a player/recorder?
15:14:48linuxstbJdGordon: Do you mean in the date/time screen?
15:15:02JdGordonthere.. and other screens
15:15:16JdGordonif its like the iriver then it will be opposite in the time screen..
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15:15:51JdGordonI should have said, what is used to go between settings when inc/dec in -/+ ?
15:16:35Soaptravishayes89 is on a forum posting spree!
15:18:20amiconnJdGordon: The settings used to work the same as the menu/tree on both player and recorder, with the only exception on the recorder that Left was accept the same way as right, and Off was cancel
15:18:51JdGordonand screens like the e/q and time?
15:19:14amiconnThe player does all its navigation the same way: selecting/moving through lists with + / -, enter/accept with Play and exit/cancel with Stop
15:19:23amiconnThere is no eq on any archos
15:19:28JdGordonok
15:19:39JdGordondoes it have the time screen?
15:19:41amiconnThe time setting only exists on recorder, the player has no rtc
15:20:33amiconnTime setting: Move between positions with Left / Right, Set selected value: Up / Down, cancel with Off and accept with On
15:20:45JdGordonah ok
15:20:51amiconnLeft /Right is what's not working atm
15:21:04amiconn...so you can only set hours (the first value)
15:21:20amiconnI think it's the same on iriver
15:21:26JdGordondid you look at the patch on the ml?
15:21:34amiconnNo, work atm...
15:21:42JdGordonwork? its saturday
15:21:46amiconnyeps
15:21:53JdGordondamn, that sux :p
15:22:12theli_uai'm at work now :)
15:22:23JdGordonanyway, its fixed for iriver, and im very slowly doing the other targets, but without the sim its almost impossible.. (even with the old #defines)
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15:24:58*JdGordon is starting to thin the 3rd column in the aciton lists isnt really needed
15:25:45amiconn?
15:25:53JdGordonthe prereq column
15:26:09amiconnHow would it work without the prereqs?
15:26:30JdGordonit looks like everything has BUTTON_NONE now anyway
15:26:40amiconnThat's not true
15:27:08JdGordon..ok
15:27:40amiconnAfaics it would be impossible to make it work without prereqs
15:28:01amiconnThey're needed to distinguish short/ long presses and some special cases
15:28:33JdGordonok, my brain is slowly turning off.. so i may say stupid tihngs now :p
15:29:22JdGordonanyway, i tinhk the time screen should be working again.. but i cant test it
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15:46:31SoapCould commercial signatures be banned from the forums?
15:46:31Soaphttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5891.msg45639#msg45639
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15:54:44XavierGrok\
15:54:46XavierGrlet me check
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15:56:37XavierGrhmm I can't edit signatures. And maybe I will have to ask Paul about it
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16:35:41theli_uacan anyone kill this ? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5920.msg45856#new
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16:49:35shriphanipeople i got a trouble and you may call me old fashioned for this
16:49:41Soaptheli_ua - The procedure is to reply to the offending post with a simple "Reported" statement, and to click on the link to report it to the moderators.
16:50:27shriphanii need a tool to sync ogg-vorbis to my ipod cuz i hate navigating through scores of dirctories
16:50:48shriphaniis there such a tool ?
16:51:14theli_uaSoap, i know i'm just to sleepy to report it now ... don't even know why should i bother :)
16:51:29Soapshriphani - I assume you are using Windows?
16:51:39shriphaniSoap, i am using ubuntu
16:52:07Soapshriphani - how unorganised is your collection?
16:52:21shriphaniumm i got a folder to each artist
16:52:46shriphanibut in the collection there's a 40 of them so its a pain to navigate through 40 dirs
16:53:19Soapis your ipod a mirror of your collection or a ever-changing-subset?
16:53:33Soap*an
16:54:01shriphaniever changing
16:54:14shriphanilike the collection is diversified
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16:54:23shriphanino single artist
16:55:14shriphaniumm so i wanted this tool to do syncing work so i could have an id3 database
16:55:20SoapI'm thinking...even on my linux box I simply drag folders over to my ipod.
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16:55:53shriphaniSoap, you have troubles navigating through dirs too ?
16:56:13Soapno
16:56:40shriphaniand how many songs do you have ?
16:56:59Soapall my rips are in perfectly (anal) /Artist/Album directory structure
16:57:10shriphaniahh
16:57:31SoapI have I don't know how many songs, but about 750 CDs I've ripped, and maybe another 100 (legal) downloads.
16:58:10shriphanigosh
16:58:28[HO]voltI have nearly 6,000 songs, the only way I can stand to keep them is root/first letter/artist/song (throw in album if you feel like it)
16:58:29SoapSo when I want to remove an album from the ipod I just delete it, and when I want to add an album I just drag it over.
16:58:52shriphanigosh i have just 200
16:59:10shriphanior is it 250
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16:59:13shriphaniyeah 250
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17:01:02SoapSo what you are looking for is the ability to do a database search of songs on your computer, and then send the results to your ipod?
17:01:10shriphaniyeh Soap
17:01:18shriphaniogg tunes
17:01:26shriphanifor mp3 i can se gtkpod
17:02:42Soapdang, I already forgot you said ogg, I was thinking since you wanted to use tagcache any of the ipod programs would work, but you said ogg. dang.
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17:06:30shriphaniwell ok i think i shall go for sorting it artist/album like
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17:09:02shriphaniSoap, when is the official rockbox for ipod release ?
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17:10:18shriphanierm ok folks bye
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17:50:18barrywardell_ are there originals of the plugin bitmaps available anywhere? I need to make new ones for the H10's 128x128 screen.
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17:51:50linuxstbbarrywardell: The bitmaps are all in cvs - in apps/plugins/bitmaps/
17:52:01linuxstbI don't think there are any "originals".
17:52:37barrywardellOK. I'll just use the biggest ones available and resize to fit
17:53:43Mikachuit is not unlikely they were handmade at each size
17:55:06linuxstbDoes the iriver firmware support video?
17:56:21barrywardellno
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17:59:40keiljhello all
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18:02:11keiljdoes anyone know much about the codebehind a playlist on the computer
18:02:17keiljcode behind*
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18:02:36illogic-alhey all. just wanted to thank you guys, and petur + linuxstb in particular
18:02:55illogic-alreplace my battery and my mp3 player working
18:03:15illogic-alturns out the battery wasn't dead, the wire was cut.
18:03:56keiljwhen i open a playlist made on my comp in wordpad the first line is this
18:04:03keilj'#EXTM3U'
18:04:21keilji believe that that is saying the the extention is .m3u am i correct?
18:04:47illogic-alI'm not sure but i think so.
18:05:11illogic-alI don't really think the commented lines are necessary.
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18:05:36keiljwell teh next line is '#EXTINF:257,Michael Jackson - Beat It'
18:05:40illogic-ali've created .m3u with just song filenames and they've played in audio players
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18:06:18illogic-al2:57 long track Beat it by Michael Jackson
18:06:35keiljahhh
18:06:42illogic-ali think :-)
18:06:45keiljso teh number is the time it goes for?
18:06:53illogic-ali think :-)
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18:07:08keiljoh, well actually that cant be right coz one of them says 144 but i know the track is longer
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18:07:41keilji think teh michael jackson - beat it part is the id3 tag for teh song
18:07:54illogic-aloh for anyone who knows, what does updating the iriver firmware do for rockbox.
18:08:06illogic-alI'm using 1.28e right now and it works. well.
18:08:54keiljwhat do you mean updatin the iriver firmware for rockbox? i think it just means u must patch the firmware again for rockbox to work
18:14:54keiljhey, illogic-al. you were close, the number is tehtime in seconds
18:15:13keiljso its not 2:53 but 253 seconds
18:16:32keiljanyway, that solves my problem
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18:17:32sugehey, I just got a ipod video 30gb. I see there are 2 builds of rockbox that a user created
18:17:33sugeVideo iPod: http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockbox-jbuild-20060726-ipodvideo.zip
18:17:33sugeVideo iPod 64mb: http://solutions-i.org/julius/rockbox/rockbox-jbuild-20060726-ipodvideo-64MB.zip
18:17:40keiljthe idea is that im going to create a program, where if you go to a freinds and he has a plylist playing that you like instead of copying every song one by one you can load the playlist file and it can copy all the songs involved in the playlist to a directory of your choice, external HD for example
18:17:55sugethere is regular video ipod, and video ipod 64mb.. which one do I need
18:17:57suge?
18:18:37suge64mb cache I suppose...
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18:18:53keiljsuge: sorry i cant help you, im not too sure, this channel is kinda quite at the moiment
18:19:28sugehaha cool man.. I think i need to just google search to see if I can take 64mb cache builds
18:20:10keilji take it you dont know much about any programnig languages
18:20:27illogic-alkeilj: I've patched the 1.28 firmware, i was wondering what would be the reasons to use the 1.29e firmware patched instead.
18:21:22keiljummm, the only difference is whatever 1.29 has that 1.28
18:21:44keilji am using 1.29k because it has video playback and its in a seperate menue like the music
18:21:59keiljand other than that i dont see much difference
18:22:31keiljbut i think the links to 1.29e are actually 1.30e which doesnt have video playback at all
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18:23:45keiljlol despite this channel showing many users are in it its almost dead quite
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18:27:44illogic-also let's see if I get this straight: unless I use the 1.29e firmware I can't have video playback?
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18:34:25PaulJamHi, i have a question: was the buttoncombo (short press - long press on RIGHT) to jump to the next folder removed when the buttons were reworked? it doesn't seem to work anymore (i have only tested with the uisimulator)
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18:36:33MikachuPaulJam: i don't know, but it will probabyl help if you mention what target you use
18:37:08PaulJami use a h300. i thought this buttoncombo works for all targets.
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18:38:40SoapSurge - you should A-Read the manual B-Read the ipod/rockbox FAQ C-Read the thread for the build you are considering. D-Realize your ipod (30 gig 5g "Video") only has 32 megs of RAM, not 64.
18:40:44[HO]voltApologies in advance for the stupid question - Is battery life dependant on whether or not you have headphones plugged in and/or volume ?
18:41:34Mikachuprobably not very much
18:42:12SoapIt almost has to be, but I doubt it if by much. Maybe I'll run some tests myself.
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18:42:29[HO]volti'll see. right now i'm doing burn-in and/or battery longelivity tests on my iaudio x5 and i've been doing so without headphones... tonight i'll do one with headphones plugged in on volume 0 and report back
18:42:33Mikachucompared to other components i don't think so
18:43:32sugewhats the default folder that i should put my mp3s in?
18:43:39[HO]volti'm doing about 66 songs of 192kbps constant bitrate, 10sec backlight with caption backlight on, and so far it's been going for 12h 45m
18:43:41Mikachuanywhere you feel like
18:43:59sugeso it doesn't have to be within .rockbox?
18:44:10[HO]voltsuge: it should be in root
18:44:14Mikachuyou definitely don't want your music in .rockbox
18:44:15Soapnope, and there is some good reasons not to
18:44:18Soap*are
18:44:42sugeso create a dir called /music/ in root?
18:44:42Mikachui use /Music
18:44:45sugeand i should be good
18:44:52Mikachuamiconn likes to put all the music directly in the root
18:45:33[HO]voltyou can use /Music, I prefer to make 26 folders (A-Z) and then put my music into them by first letter of artist, and into another folder with the name of the artist, then the song name is just "SongTitle.mp3"
18:46:10SoapI go /music/Artist - Year - Album/
18:46:23SoapI like to be able to scroll through my entire set.
18:46:43[HO]voltSo I would be listening to root/B/Bjork/Desired Constellation.mp3
18:46:56sugesoap - doesn't tagcache give you the familiar ipod interface
18:46:58suge?
18:47:17SoapI don't use tagcache
18:47:37sugelike for example, i got the billboard top 100 songs from 1990-2005... they are all different artists, but im going to keep them in a folder by year
18:47:38sugeaw ok
18:48:12SoapI would be listening to root/music/Bjork - 2004 - Medulla/08 - Desired Constellation.mp3
18:48:25[HO]voltlol :D
18:48:52[HO]voltthat would be a really smart idea though. i dont even know the album of... well... ANY of my songs. :(
18:49:07[HO]voltplus the way you have the folders set up i like how it keeps the albums listed chronologically
18:49:13Soapyep
18:49:42[HO]voltlol maybe i should spend the next 36 hours and do that to all of my nearly 6000 songs ...
18:50:03SoapI'm a browser, I don't like navigating in and out of a nested folder structure to chase after my next artist.
18:50:26[HO]voltwait, isnt that what you have?
18:50:49[HO]voltor what exactly is a nested folder structure
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18:51:19[HO]voltwhere i have my music in folders A-Z according to first letter
18:51:21[HO]volt?
18:52:28SoapYours are nested root/<letter>/<artist>/<mp3s>
18:52:47Soapmine less so root/<album>/<mp3s>
18:52:56[HO]voltunderstandable
18:53:09[HO]voltiirc you have about 750 albums? or was that another dude
18:53:12MikachuSoap: but you can't easily add all albums by an artist
18:53:34Soapyea, to go from bjork to tricky you need to go back to root, I just exit out of the album folder and scroll down.
18:53:44Soap[HO]volt - yea, ~750
18:54:11SoapMikachu - all, but if I have it go to the next directory automaticly...
18:54:14Soap*ahh
18:54:34[HO]voltSoap: so going from Bjork to (insert artist starting with P) you have to hold down for ~300 albums? or is there a better way
18:54:53Soap[HO]volt - ipod, I scoll.
18:55:15Soaptesting....takes less than 3 seconds
18:55:22[HO]volti see
18:56:57[HO]voltit takes me about 5 seconds to navigate through 50 items
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19:02:33[HO]voltMy iAudio x5 battery just died after 13 hours and 6 minutes playing 192kbps music with 10 second caption backlight (so every song change = 20 seconds of backlight) and the songs averaged 4 minutes
19:02:55idnarwas that with rockbox or the cowon firmware?
19:03:12[HO]voltrockbox. i actually have never booted with the default firmware lol
19:03:18idnarhmm, ok
19:03:21idnarwhat codec?
19:03:30[HO]volthmm i don't know what you mean
19:03:37idnarMP3, FLAC, WMA, ...
19:03:47[HO]voltoh lol they were 192kbps mp3
19:03:51idnarah
19:04:01idnarmaybe the MP3 decoder isn't as power-hungry
19:04:09idnarmost of mine is FLAC, Vorbis, or Musepack
19:04:26idnarand I don't think I get anywhere near 13 hours
19:04:43[HO]volthow big are those files compared to mp3 files?
19:05:07idnaraverage bitrate on my FLAC files is in the region of 1000Kbps, I think
19:05:18idnarwhich is about 5x as large as your 192Kbps
19:05:51[HO]voltwell, tell me if theres something more complex going on here, but basically a larger file requires more times the mp3 player needs to read from the hard disk, meaning more spinups and more power needs
19:07:16[HO]volti know nothing about the size of RAM of the x5 though - but i assume whatever the size, 8mb for example, it fills up that 8mb of ram and then plays it, then fills again
19:07:27[HO]voltand each time it fills it requires a disk spinup
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19:10:38Soapvery true, but at least on the ipods you run the CPU unboosted playing FLAC, while MP3 requires considerable amouts of boots.
19:10:41Soap*boost.
19:12:39amardoes anyone know how I could find out which file tagcash keeps gettig stuck on
19:12:48amarit is entery 2827 but i dont know how to find which file it is
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19:14:52sugeim looking all over for the keys to press to boot into apple firmware to watch video
19:15:00sugeanyone know what they are?
19:16:33ww2-Hey. I'm trying to compile my own build with scroll acceleration patch, using a pre-august 15th source. I need some help regarding how to change the source according to reject files (I don't understand how to find out where in the code something needs to be added or deleted). Anyone willing to help me?
19:16:44ww2-suge: I think you have to hold Menu.
19:16:55sugetthanks.. will try it
19:17:15ww2-np.
19:18:48ww2-Hey, can anyone help me please? At least point me out to an article or something explaining the logic behind .rej files?
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19:21:28ww2-Please? =/
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19:25:28[HO]voltSoap: How do you classify songs that you have that aren't on an album, if any?
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19:28:14Soap[HO]volt - My entire collection consists of my ripped CDs, live sets from archive.org (which I tag as albums) and podcasts which are in a root/podcasts/ directory.
19:30:03tobi-wanhi folks. i've got an ipod g4 and have successfully installed rockbox. one thing that annoys me, though, is the fact that whenever i plug the ipod to the computer to a) charge it or b) load additional music, it seems to forget all of its settings (wps, random, repeat, etc.). has anyone else experienced this, tooO?
19:30:06ww2-[HO]volt: why don't you separate your collection in "Albums" and "Singles"?
19:30:06tobi-wan-O
19:30:57ww2-[HO]volt: Singles you could tag with artist and title only.
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19:32:58Soaptobi-wan - Stop allowing your ipod to boot with the hold switch on, and the problem will go away.
19:33:34Soapbooting with the hold switch on clears settings. This is intentional.
19:33:39tobi-wanSoap: ah, so this behaviour is triggered when the hold switch is on? thanks, that is valuable information indeed *G*
19:33:46tobi-wannow i feel dumb :-(
19:33:53Mikachuit should be possible to not clear settings if plugged in to usb
19:34:12ww2-Can someone explain to me how to interpret .rej files? Where in the source to add/remove code?
19:34:40SoapI wear my ipod on my belt, not in my pocket, so I have never once in my life used the hold switch, but I could see how it is habit for those who prefer the pocket.
19:36:00tobi-wanSoap: exactly so :-) being a developer myself, i always preach to read the documentation. shame on me, and thanks to you for the information :-)
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19:56:28miraksoap on the H300 the old switch is not that much usefull
19:56:39mirakthe boutton are to hard to really be pushed inadvertantly
19:57:02mirakbut this can secure a recording though, that's the only really usefull case
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19:57:04mirakfor me
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19:57:53tobi-wanah, one more question. Soap mentioned that i can "stop allowing" the ipod to boot with the hold switch on. how would i go about this?
19:58:23tobi-wanbtw: thank you all for providing a software that allows ogg vorbis to be replayed on an ipod!
19:58:23mirakdon't know ...
19:59:45Mikachutobi-wan: he meant only you i think :)
19:59:54ww2-Can someone explain to me how to interpret .rej files, please?
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20:01:02ww2-I don't understand how it works. Where in the source to add or remove a block of code, for instance.
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20:02:32tobi-wanMikachu: i thought so :-D
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20:05:25Bagderbarrywardell_: we just need a commit now to see the h10 sim build in the table
20:06:08barrywardell_ok, i'm working on a h10 5gb target and am almost ready to commit
20:06:52Bagdercool
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20:10:16Soaptobi-wan - I ment that your booting with the hold switch on was clearing your settings, nothing more.
20:10:49Snyperhow is the h10 port going? My brother might be interested in helping soon....
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20:21:03ww2-Can someone help me with a couple of very basic questions about compiling a custom build?
20:21:32ww2-I've read the available documentation.
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20:22:20barrywardellsorry.my internet connection is really bad tonight.
20:22:42barrywardellSnyper: the h10 port is going well. Any help is welcome
20:23:43ww2-be interested in helping soon....
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20:23:43ww2-[15:21] <ww2-> Can someone help me with a couple of very basic questions about compiling a custom build?
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20:23:44ww2-[15:21] <ww2-> I've read the available documentation.
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20:23:48ww2-ops, sorry. =p
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20:24:58[HO]voltIs there anything out there that will look at the artist and title of a song and will fill in album, tracknum, year...?
20:25:06[HO]voltartist and title of the id3 tag.
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20:29:08picould someone have a look at FS #5809
20:29:37Soap[HO]volt - Check out musicbrainz (I think) (one sec)
20:30:20Soaphttp://musicbrainz.org/
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20:33:13ww2-How do I compile a build using a source from a few days ago? I download that source and extracted it to the proper folder, but now when I use the ../tools/configure command as explained in the "How To Patch and Compile Tutorial (From WINDOWS)" I get a "Permission denied" error.
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20:34:25ww2-user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/build_h120$ ../tools/configure
20:34:25ww2--bash: ../tools/configure: Permission denied
20:36:23ww2-Well, I won't stop asking =]
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20:49:27[HO]voltSoap: Thanks for the musicbrainz link, I'm giving it a shot.
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21:31:24barrywardellBagder: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
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21:52:25ww2-Anyone willing to help a newbie on a couple of (simple) questions related to making a custom build? I've read the documentation, guides and all.
21:53:40Soapyou are catching the main developers late on a Saturday night.
21:57:26ww2-Oh well... here the time is 4:30 pm.
21:57:33sharpeAnd Sharpe in the afternoon :)
21:58:36sharpeww2-: What do you mean by, simple questions?
21:59:20ww2-I just wanted to know how to compile from an old source... the tar.gz file from it I extracted, but when issuing the '../tools/configure" command, I get a "Permission denied" error.
21:59:46ww2-I'm following this guide: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4689.0 and the source is from August 14th.
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22:00:14Mikachuadd "sh " to the start of the command
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22:00:32ww2-ahh, it works
22:00:36ww2-Mikachu: thanks =D
22:00:57sharpeSee, it's better to just ask the question(s) anyway.
22:01:01sharpe:D
22:01:16ww2-sharpe: I did ask a few times, but no one answered =(
22:01:42sharpeEh. Then it's because I wasn't here. Haha...
22:02:27Mikachuyeah nice work there sharpe
22:02:40sharpeMikachu: Yeah, I take pride in my efforts...
22:03:38ww2-Hehe. Can you guys help me with just one more thing? How do I work with .rej files? I mean, I don't understand the logic of it, apart from the "+ in front of the line means you have to add it to the source, and the opposite means you have to exclude it" part.
22:04:06ww2-How do I find out where exactly in the source do I have to add (or remove) it?
22:04:34Mikachulook at the line numbers
22:05:19ww2-yeah, but when I check in the source, it seems to be completely different. The code that corresponds to a given line number in the .rej file isn't the same in the source file.
22:05:23Soap4:30pm? I didn't know there were 1/2 hour time zones over here.
22:05:45ww2-Well, it's around 5, actually.
22:05:59sharpeSoap: There are in the Middle East and around there...
22:06:07Mikachuww2-: then you probably don't stand much of a chance
22:06:17Mikachuww2-: the code has simply changed too much since the patch was written
22:06:47ww2-Mikachu: can you read the topic I posted asking about this? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5924.0
22:07:35Mikachuno time
22:07:36Soapsharpe - true, but my point was anywhere where it is ~4:30 pm currently.
22:07:45sharpe:)
22:10:02ww2-Mikachu: ok, thanks. Just one more thing... the *** XXX,XXX **** (XXX being the line number) block of code is what the patch program found, and the one that follows is what the code is supposed to be?
22:10:25Mikachuyeah i think so
22:10:31Mikachunever did like context diffs much
22:12:16ww2-I see... well, I tried a few patches already, and all of the .rej files they generated didn't really match with the respective sources.
22:13:18amarhave you managed to get any patches to patch cleanly?
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22:15:04*Bagder gets back and sees a new column in the cvs table
22:15:38ww2-amar: Nope. I'm just trying to apply the regular ones... autopause, scroll accel, etc. And got the latest versions.
22:16:37ww2-Didn't really have the time... been messing with this since yesterday. But after I figure how to use the .rej files and all it will probably work out.
22:16:57amarit is just that i rearly get any .rej files
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22:18:31ww2-amar: even with the latest cvs and old patches?
22:19:49amardepends how old i suppose
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22:27:49hotwire_hey folks, if i'm updating what i have in my cvs, but have changed some code, will my code be affected?
22:28:04hotwire_(i'm just downloading to local, not committing)
22:28:27Bagderonly if your changes collide with what has happened in the cvs repo
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22:29:53hotwire_and if that happens, will there be a warning?
22:29:58Bagderyes
22:30:06Bagderand you'll get _both_ versions in your life
22:30:11Bagderleft for you to edit
22:30:19hotwire_hmm, okay
22:30:53Bagder(with markers around)
22:32:15sharpeAhey, I've done that before.
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22:37:34Sanwould charging through USB have any effect on that battery aposed to charging via mains?
22:37:53Sancause I have been charging through usb for the bast 4/;5 weeks
22:38:18Sanand I got 02:53:45 in a bench test
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22:44:22mirakhey, I am asking myself how you can acces to C variables from inline asm.
22:44:33amarnight all
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22:44:50mirakI read the code but some things are not clera
22:44:54mirakclear
22:45:42mirak"cmp %[v], #255 \n" the function containing this line got one parameter, however I don't understand the meaning of [v], I though it should 0 instead
22:46:09mirakthe parameter beeing represented by %[v] I guess
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23:05:56ww2-Hey... I just finished compiling a build with "make". Everything seemed to go smooth, but after the "make zip" command I receive this error: /bin/sh: line 1: /home/user/rockbox-devel/tools/buildzip.pl: Permission denied. "sh make zip" also doesn't work. What do I do?
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23:06:58Bagderodd
23:07:02ww2-forgot something... after "Permission denied" this comes up: "make: *** [zip] Error 126"
23:07:14ww2-yeah =(
23:07:20Bagderdo you have zip installed?
23:07:53ww2-I'm using the Vmware dev environment. In my machine I have WinRAR.
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23:08:03Bagderok then do this:
23:08:11Bagdermake V=1 zip
23:08:29ww2-And I'm using an old Aughst 14th source btw.
23:08:31ww2-Ok, I'll try.
23:08:41ww2-August*
23:08:56Bagderthat command line shows a lot more details
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23:09:02ww2-user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/build_h120$ make V=1 zip
23:09:03ww2-make: *** [zip] Error 126
23:09:03Bagderso it might reveal somthing more
23:09:12Bagderehum
23:09:14ww2-wait a minute
23:09:16ww2-there's more
23:09:23ww2-couldn't paste it
23:09:32mirakBagder: you knows asm ?
23:09:47ww2-Bagder:
23:09:47ww2-user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/build_h120$ make V=1 zip
23:09:47ww2-/home/user/rockbox-devel/tools/buildzip.pl -v -t \"ipodvideo\" -r "/home/user/rockbox-devel" -DIPOD_VIDEO rockbox.ipod
23:09:47ww2-/bin/sh: line 1: /home/user/rockbox-devel/tools/buildzip.pl: Permission denied
23:09:47ww2-make: *** [zip] Error 126
23:11:04BagderPermission denied
23:11:17Bagdercan you run the buildzip.pl script manually?
23:11:37ww2-let me see
23:12:59Bagdermirak: yes I do
23:13:50mirakBagder: the syntax how to pass and gather parameters is not clear
23:13:51ww2-Bagder: Hum, I'm not very familiar with Linux. I changed to 'rockbox-devel/tools' dir and typed 'buildzip.pl' + enter, but nothing happened.
23:14:20Bagderww2-: do ./buildzip.pl (with a ./ before the file name to make it search in the current dir)
23:14:29ww2-ah, ok
23:14:51mirakBagder: [v]"+r"(value) that's fot output
23:14:53ww2-user@debian:~/rockbox-devel/tools$ ./buildzip.pl
23:14:53ww2--bash: ./buildzip.pl: Permission denied
23:14:56mirakfor
23:15:15Mikachuww2-: chmod +x buildzip.pl
23:15:23mirakwhy [v] is added ? I guess %0 could be used instead ?
23:16:08ww2-heh, it works. Thanks to both of you.
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23:16:47mirakalso on some tutorials they use =r instead of +r
23:17:50ww2-Mikachu: +x is exec permission?
23:17:55Mikachuyes
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23:46:32hotwire_anybody online with any of the iriver remotes?
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23:56:34tucozhotwire_, I am. But I have no idea where it is :)
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23:58:00Davide-NYChotwire_: hey hotwire, you here?

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